The Whole Therapist : Recent Episodes
Abby & Kellee
Leaving the theorizing out and exploring this strange phenomenon of being a human and a therapist. Abby and Kellee explore the embodied experience of neuroscience and authenticity in the therapy room.
Kellee and Abby dive into the problems with CEU’s across the field as a whole in this episode, but move specifically to discuss the Association of Play Therapy’s (APT) 12-hour in-person CEU requirement. Abby and Kellee express their opinion around the incongruence of APT’s DEI statement and their in-person CEU requirement. They go on further to explore the field’s origins of white supremacy, ableism, and problematic Western measures of learning, and the need for more expansive ways to deepen our work as therapists. They emphasize the need for consultation and mentoring above webinars. Kellee and Abby hold many privileges, some of which include being two abled bodied pregnant women with the financial means to travel for CEU’s.
Topics Touched on:
EMDRIA- https://www.emdria.org/
APT- https://www.a4pt.org/default.aspx
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Abby and Kellee talk through basics of looking for, applying for, and interviewing for your internship placement. They discuss the use of AI, and ways to use it appropriately in this process.
Topics Touched on:
Rupi Kaur
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Abby and Kellee explore how grief often accompanies goodbyes, and that goodbyes can also hold happiness and hope. They notice how endings and goodbyes can feel different for each therapist and each therapist/client dyad. They reflect on their own relationship with goodbyes in an out of the therapy space.
Topics Touched on:
Circle of Security- https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Padraig O Tuama
Maya Ward
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Abby and Kellee recorded on 1/31/25 and began exploring how to hold space for marginalized clients who are impacted by executive orders and fear of or actual detainments of themselves and loved ones.
Topics Touched on:
Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition: https://coloradoimmigrant.org/
Decolonizing Therapy (Jaiya john): https://www.decolonizingtherapy.com
Iain McGilchrist: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300245929/the-master-and-his-emissary/
Enough About You- Titus Kaphar: https://www.kapharstudio.com
Masharll Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com/
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Abby and Kellee jump into a new season with the new year. They explore the ebbs and flows of their rhythms over the last 5 years of recordings, and how they have shifted as healers. Abby and Kellee highlight the importance of slowing down, community, intentionality, and how “being with” is truly enough for our clients healing.
Topics Touched on:
Rebodying the Self of the Healer - REGISTER NOW: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Maggie Smith’s poem- How Dark the Beginning: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/152103/how-dark-the-beginning
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Abby and Kellee explore superiority, humility, arrogance, and how they show up for therapists. They give examples of how they have and do fall down this slippery slope (even while they record this episode) Abby and Kellee discuss the therapists’ parts of self that can show up in sessions where we may believe we are better and/or able to influence the outcomes for clients resulting in lack of true presence. How do we set this part aside to be fully curious?
Topics Touched on:Adrienne Maree Brown:
https://adriennemareebrown.net/blog/
On Being with Krista Tippett:
https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/
Dr. Meldoy Brown:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/melody-m-brown-denver-co/774548
Bittersweet by Susan Cain:
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/bittersweet_susan-cain/29217911/item/53180813/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=high_vol_frontlist_standard_shopping_customer_acquisition&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=689361939032&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADwY45goxXpmMinAST89X0a2cqzqd&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8uqo---KigMVnEH_AR3riAElEAQYAiABEgL49fD_BwE#idiq=53180813&edition=60291104
The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino:
https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954
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Abby and Kellee start to explore the word accountability and sift through their intention for the episode. They come to name self-reflection and community. Abby and Kellee talk authenticity and explore internalizing nurture from those in their community; which supports them in bringing this into the therapy space. They ask listeners to identify who they can be their truest self with; to practice authenticity and gain internalized nurturing that allows them to show up congruently with clients.
Topics Touched on:
The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolinohttps://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954 Daria - Accountability Mapping - https://accountabilitymapping.com/
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Kellee and Abby revisit the concept of 'process over content' in therapy, and explore what is bringing them Joy over the last few years since beginning the podcast. They dive into what may be leading therapists into content therapy versus process therapy, and encourage therapists to lean into what makes them feel alive and joyful.
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Abby and Kellee are back after some big technological struggles. They welcome the community back in and explore the theme of, withholding. They explore withholding EMDR from clients and withholding the truth from clients. Are therapists withholding for a true clinical reason or out of fear? Abby and Kellee ask therapists to ask themselves, “Why might I not be leaning into something that is right here in the room where someone’s nervous system might really benefit from me leaning in?”
Topics Touched on:
Annie Monaco- https://www.anniemonaco.com
EMDR- https://www.emdria.org/
Cole Arthur Riley: https://colearthurriley.com/writing/project-one-64g3t
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Abby and Kellee get brave and venture into a topic that doesn’t seem openly talked about, feeling attraction to our clients. They share their own experience of this happening, normalize this experience, and explore the neuroscience that is happening when attraction happens.
Topics Touched on:
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Abby and Kellee use this episode to talk through some recent experiences that required Bravery in their own lives and how we relate to Risk both personally and professionally. They explore noticing how 'being brave' and 'taking risks' show up in relationship in the therapy setting, and share some poetry with listeners.They ask listeners to get curious about their own relationship to Risk and how this influences their ways of being as a therapist and a human.
Topics Touched on:
Marshall Lyles: www.marshalllyles.com
Louise Erdrich: Advice to Myself
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Kellee and Abby are back from their holiday break! Join them for the Season 5 in another conversation, all about looooooove 💗. Their exploration is prompted by the question, “do we love our clients?” and, "must we?" Kellee and Abby muse about what it means to love, draw from some of Dr. Allan Schore's research, name the importance of therapist's doing their own parts work, and end with questions for listeners as they continue to do their own wondering.
Topics Touched on:
Dr. Allan Schore: https://www.allanschore.com/books/right-brain-psychotherapy/
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com/
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Kellee is going on maternity leave! This episode explores the ways in which therapists who experience pregnancy can be impacted and transformed as practitioners and humans. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal experience with pregnancy in the field, how they navigate boundaries, and conversations around client care as it relates to self-disclosure in this tender time period. They normalize how nuanced this topic and experience can be and emphasize how necessary it is to 'be so human' with our clients.
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This episode explores all the ways in which we therapists don’t take the time off we need while encouraging our clients to take time off for self-care. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal struggles with taking time off, including the messages and narratives they tell themselves about when and how much time off they should take. They normalize how guilt can show up around this subject and emphasize how necessary and worthy we are of taking time for ourselves.
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Abby and Kellee use this episode to share some announcements and talk through some recent stories in their own lives that have contributed to deep feelings showing up personally and professionally. They explore noticing deep feelings that show up in relationship in the professional setting, and what pausing and reflecting can do to create regulation around such deep feelings. They ask listeners to get curious about their own deep feelings that show up with clients in sessions.
Topics Touched on:
Deb Dana: https://www.rhythmofregulation.com/about
Letters to a Young Poet: https://bookshop.org/p/books/letters-to-a-young-poet-a-new-translation-and-commentary-rainer-maria-rilke/228901?ean=9781611806861&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9fqnBhDSARIsAHlcQYSZEU7OtWLE73L7MS4pAmIQ0Yi2W9J3uiowmnfALOrtG9vd8IMqyEEaAhmxEALw_wcB
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
The Whole Therapist Consultation Group: Open monthly IPNB-inspired group begins 10/19/2023 from 8am-10am MST $50 per group. Capped at 8 participants each month.
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sharon stanley - somatic empathy; relational somatic transformation work book here
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Abby and Kellee lean into discussing recent feedback they got on this podcast, and the parallel process that occurs in the therapy space. They explore work from Dan Siegel around “linkage and differentiation.” The two also discuss attachment strategies we all can fall into based on our own attachment histories with giving and receiving feedback.
Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-self
Dan Siegel: https://www.drdansiegel.com
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
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Abby and Kellee spend time wandering through this episode exploring patience with parts of self for our clients, and for ourselves. They untangle the definition of patience, and what this really means in our work with clients. The two name the wandering that happens in this episode and explore what it feels like to be at the edge of their own work to help listeners begin to recognize when they too are at the edge of their work.
Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
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Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how important the context of our client’s lives are. They discuss being attuned with that context versus pushing feelings away, offering coping skills and offering quick fixes. Being with is identified as the most important thing therapists can do first.
Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Dr. Iain McGilchrist: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/
IntraConnecte: https://drdansiegel.com/book/intraconnected-mwe-me-we-as-the-integration-of-self-identity-and-belonging/
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Abby and Kellee welcome listeners into community. They explore looking for a therapeutic home for therapists and clients alike. Abby and Kellee discuss balancing many therapeutic homes, finding “your people,” and journeying with them. They share the vulnerability that is present in seeking out community.
Topics Touched on:Bonnie: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Lisa Dion: https://synergeticplaytherapy.com
On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/ada-limon-to-be-made-whole/
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Fire of Love Documentary
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Abby and Kellee welcome listeners to season 4. The two share what they have been up to and begin to explore how therapists are in the presence of awe almost every day according to what Dacher Keltner defines as awe.
Topics Touched on:On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
The Heart of Winter: https://sannawani.com/2022/02/01/booklight-04/
The Last of Us: https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us
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Abby and Kellee bid listeners farewell as they end season 3. They reflect on the year, talking about love and loss for clients, supervisees, consultees, friends, family, and themselves. They of course weave in IPNB and even some EMDR around theirs and others experiences this season, and this year, touching on integration and meaning making.
Topics Touched on:Ways of Being by James Bridle: https://jamesbridle.com/books/ways-of-being
Wintering by Katherine May: https://katherine-may.co.uk/wintering
Adrift by Mark Nep0: https://grateful.org/resource/adrift/
The Keep Going Song by The Bengsons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQ
Upcoming Offerings:Upcoming Coffee and Chat (1.9.23 6:30pmMST) Setting Your Intension for Your Practice: Link to purchase ($11) on the website, or email Abby and Kellee to purchase.
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Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how we know when we as therapists are taking clients' progress, lack of progress, emotions, behaviors, etc. personally. They share their own stories of taking it personal, and strategies that can support the therapist to move out of this space and back into attunement with the client.
Topics Touched on:Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.com
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Abby and Kellee continue to wonder and wander their way through the multi-seasonal book series. Come laugh together under full moon energy in Chapter 5 of “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They model humility, uncertainty, and the importance of humor as we engage this emergent field.
Topics Touched on:
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
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Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and offer continued discussion of Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives, Part Two! in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use a powerful question offered by Cozolino to guide their conversation, and share personal narratives parts of them hold, in addition to practical applications when working with clients.
Topics Touched on:
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
Upcoming Offerings:Seasonal Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book, The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self
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Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and explore Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter four to explore the beauty in sitting with deeper client narratives and the need for family of origin work.
Topics Touched on:
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Playful Listening Article:
https://emergencemagazine.org/practice/playful-listening/
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Come join us as we take a pause on our book series and explore the concept of Structure in the therapy space! Abby and Kellee use their own personal and professional experiences as they reflect on how Structure relates to Boundaries. They discuss the value to clients and clinicians in holding Structure, and leave some questions for listeners to reflect on in their own lives and practices.
Topics Touched on:
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5
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Get ready to smile the whole way through! Abby and Kellee use humor and self-reflection as they explore concepts in chapter three like: self-awareness in the therapy space, process over content, tracking themes, and “listening with the third ear.” They discuss imposter syndrome coming up for them as they re-read the book with this community, and of course through a great garden analogy.
Topics Touched on:Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.com
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5
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Abby and Kellee continue the summer book series and explore Chapter Two: Therapist Imagination in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter two to explore "shuttling," the need for ongoing consultation, and laughter around engrained assumptions like wearing headphones to record. Kellee and Abby share the felt sense behind 'trusting the process.'
Topics Touched on:
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Abby and Kellee begin to explore chapter one of their summer book series using, “The Development of a Therapist.” They use chapter one to explore how therapists’ and clients’ left and right brain show up in the therapy space. Kellee and Abby share what it means and feels like to use and blend poetry and science for healing purposes.
Topics Touched on:On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/series/podcast/
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
David Whyte: https://davidwhyte.com
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Share the love! Abby and Kellee explore the benefits for both therapists and clients sharing and receiving resources with each other. They talk through ways to share books with clients and highlight the need to walk alongside clients while they read a book the therapist has recommended. Abby and Kellee discuss the importance of pairing right brain processing when recommending a book to a client.
Topics Touched on:Anchored: How to Befriend Your Nervous System Using Polyvagal Theory: https://www.amazon.com/Anchored-Befriend-Nervous-System-Polyvagal/dp/1683647068
It Didn’t Start with You: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=it+didn%27t+start+with+you&i=stripbooks&sprefix=this+didn%27t+%2Cstripbooks%2C149&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_12
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Dr Dan Seigel: https://drdansiegel.com
Hafez: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/hafez
Upcoming Offerings:Summer Book Series! Buy the book and join Kellee and Abby over the next several episodes as they explore Louis Cozolino's book (follow along on social media to see how you can get a free copy). Send your thoughts to include in future episodes around this book- The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5
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Abby and Kellee explore making mistakes in the therapy room, and the shame that becomes very alive and present for therapists. They share their own stories of mistakes with clients, the shame they felt, and ways they have learned to regulated through these moments. They also include an audio clip from a professor at a local university who shares his own mistake as an intern therapist and the shame that followed. Abby and Kellee use an IPNB lens to offer compassion to themselves and all therapists regarding the responses to clients that turn into mistakes.
Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Timothy Wienecke: https://empoweredchangece.com/contact-me/
The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows: https://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Obscure-Sorrows-John-Koenig/dp/1501153641
Practicing Mindfulness: https://www.amazon.com/Practicing-Mindfulness-Essential-Meditations-Everyday/dp/1641521716
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Topics Touched on:Abby and Kellee explore healing others and having to hold boundaries with our own families and friends. They express the grief that can be present when healers see their own family or friends suffering but needing to maintain the boundary of not becoming their healer. They also hold the relief that may come for some knowing they cannot be the healer for their friends our family. Abby and Kellee share the difficulty of separating our therapist part from our friend and/or family member part.
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Self-disclosure. What is it? When do we use it? When is it helpful? When can it be harmful? Abby and Kellee discuss the importance of awareness around the intention of the therapist’s disclosure. They ask when does self-disclosure create expansion and joining for the therapist and client? Kellee and Abby give examples of when disclosure has been helpful or not helpful for them as clients, and their own clients.
Topics Touched on:
The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino- https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954
A Handful of Quiet: Happiness in Four Pebbles:https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/a-handful-of-quiet-happiness-in-four-pebbles_thch-nht-hnh/877515/item/10429135/?gclid=CjwKCAjwo8-SBhAlEiwAopc9W705o0X71FlTBvaTkQJSrS-Iwo6_kkvnqCvL_6j-wuBATDHNGNkvExoCeeoQAvD_BwE#idiq=10429135&edition=7306409
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Have you ever had that client that “talks at you,” or noticed you yourself “talking at the client?” Do you ever wonder if words in the therapy room may not be the most optimal for healing? Abby and Kellee spend this episode exploring how “talking”, a left brain skill, must be used intentionally to heal our clients.
Topics Touched on:World Association of Sandtray Therapy Professionals (WASP): https://worldsandtherapy.com
Lorraine Freedle: http://lorrainefreedle.com/sandplay-therapy/
Dan Siegel: https://drdansiegel.com
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino-https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Paris Goodyear-Brown: https://www.parisgoodyearbrown.com
Iain McGilchrist: https://www.amazon.com/Matter-Things-Brains-Delusions-Unmaking-ebook/dp/B09KY5B3QL
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Get ready to talk about money! How do we decide our rates? Abby and Kellee explore their personal relationship with money, and how this impacts their relationship with money as private practice owners. While Kellee and Abby focus this episode on those who have private practices the episode encourages all therapists to become aware of their own relationship with money, and how this lives inside their bodies, their epigenetic story.
Topics Touched on:Robyn Mourning: https://www.ominiralabs.com
Dr. Bukky: https://myrelationshiphq.com
Talking about Race with Dr. Bukky Kolawole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc8b0I36WeQ&t=2003s
Abby’s contact for EMDR consultation:
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What’s a therapist to do when they feel uninspired? Abby and Kellee use the parallel process of the podcast and being a therapist as they explore the experience of being uninspired. How do we show up for clients when we feel uninspired? Can we trust in our clients’ own process that they will come to therapy inspired and our role is to simply follow them, be with them?
Topics Touched on:Jaak Panksepp: https://www.asdn.org/wp-content/uploads/1-Motivated-Brain-Excerpt-pgs.pdf
John O'Donohue: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/39025796-walking-in-wonder
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
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Abby and Kellee touch on grief, and the ways it shows up for therapists in the field. They share the need to welcome grief again and again; it cannot be box that is just “checked off.” Abby and Kellee explore ways to set boundaries as therapists navigate the hard work they do in this field.
Topics Touched on:Michael Pollan- https://michaelpollan.com
Kate Bowler- https://katebowler.com
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Abby and Kellee welcome veteran and new listeners to season 3! They share hopes for season 3, and then move into using the parallel process of welcoming clients into our space for the first time, third time, or 100th time. They challenge listeners to be reflective on how listeners show up for their clients when welcoming them for an intake, after a brief pause, after a rupture, after a planned break, and many more examples
Topics Touched on:Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
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Abby and Kellee say goodbye to season two this episode. As they reflect on their own process, they move into exploring process over content within the therapy space. Why would we want to focus more on process over content? What cues let you know you or the client are avoiding processing? How do we move clients into processing when they are heavily guarded?
Topics Touched on:The Keep Going Song- The Bengons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQ
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Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
IG: Teletherapist.network: https://teletherapistnetwork.com
Rainer Maria Rilke's Letters to a Young Poet:
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Abby and Kellee are beginning to wrap up season two and find themselves recording in a rather silly mood. If you are looking for lightness, laughter, and vulnerability join Abby and Kellee as they explore what their careers would be if they weren’t therapists. Of course, they tie in how this relates to our own security and connectedness to our therapist identity.
Topics Touched on:Rick Hanson- Buddha's Brain: The Practical Neuroscience of Happiness, Love, and Wisdom: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/buddhas-brain-the-practical-neuroscience-of-happiness-love-and-wisdom_daniel-j-siegel_rick-hanson/
Frank Wilczek: https://physics.mit.edu/faculty/frank-wilczek/
Dr. Dan Siegel- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance
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Get ready to ground into this episode as Kellee and Abby explore dissociation. They talk about dissociations being on a continuum, a natural, and normal part of all our lives. They also discuss the brilliance in the body dissociating after trauma and encourage therapist to lean it not run away. Abby and Kellee end the episode offering basic strategies therapists can use to support clients with dissociation in and outside of session.
Topics Touched on:Janina Fisher:https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/healing-the-fragmented-selves-of-trauma-survivors-overcoming-internal-self-alienation_janina-fisher/13534321/?resultid=a934f9b1-41d6-4aab-9c3d-a871b62be645#edition=13201579&idiq=26946741Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Dr. Dan Siegel- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance
EMDR Tool Box:https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/emdr-toolbox-theory-and-treatment-of-complex-ptsd-and-dissociation_james-knipe/13872979/?resultid=6c3a512d-cefe-4b6d-ae7c-b76da9005609#edition=20900482&idiq=29968511
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Abby and Kellee talk about curiosity in the therapy room from an IPNB perspective. They explore how compassionate and respectful curiosity looks and feels different in the therapy space versus curiosity where we have an agenda; a path we are wanting to follow. Abby and Kellee go on to discuss how we must know we don’t know something to truly be curious with our clients in the therapy space.
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Yalom: https://www.yalom.com
Hold Me Tight: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2153780.Hold_Me_Tight
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Dr. Dan Siegle- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance
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Have you ever found yourself in a season reaching too far, too fast, too soon regarding a clinical skill or training? Have you worked in a setting where there wasn’t space for a learning curve, or tolerable doses of new clinical skills? Using a plant analogy Abby and Kellee explore the impact of reaching too far, too fast, too soon with trainings, with clients, and with supervisees
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Abby and Kellee explore differentiation. How do we begin to enter our client’s pain without making it our own? They spend time talking about how growth happens at the edge (the space between). They share times they have made a client’s pain their own and discuss strategies to maintain differentiation.
Topics Touched on:If Women Rose Rooted- Sharon Blackie: https://www.amazon.com/If-Women-Rose-Rooted-Celtic-ebook/dp/B01AKBFTMW
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Cole Arthur Riley: https://www.instagram.com/blackliturgies/?hl=en
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Dr. Dan Siegle- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance
Elephant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWhyGI7q8Xk
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Have you found yourself feeling rejected by a client, or attempting to rattle off multiple solutions for them? Abby and Kellee explore how clients who cannot accept care and trust in the therapy space may be showing you a wise part of themselves, a younger part that developed block trust out of childhood maltreatment. They discuss what this can look like with adults and child clients, what it might feel like for the therapist, and how easily the therapist can recreate attachment ruptures from early on by falling into blocked care.
Topics Touched on:
The Neurobiology of Attachment-Focused Therapy- Jonathan Baylin and Daniel A. Hughes: https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393711042
Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy: https://ddpnetwork.org/about-ddp/dyadic-developmental-psychotherapy/
Louis Cozolino:https://mindgains.org/resources/advisory-board/louis-cozolino-ph-d/
Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT): https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapy-types/dialectical-behavior-therapy
Dr. Dan Siegle- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance
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Are you listening to your body? Do you know when you need rest? What narratives are you holding about who you are or your worth when you rest? Abby and Kellee explore the lack of internalization that many of us have around rest.
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We only exist and have a beginning because of cooperation. Abby and Kellee reflect on the readings, podcasts, and trainings they have done over the last year and how they all discuss survival being dependent on cooperation. They stress the importance of creating community in our field, and how we each must surround ourselves with support as we support others.
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Suzanne Simard: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/602589/finding-the-mother-tree-by-suzanne-simard/
Dan Siegel: https://www.mindsightinstitute.com
Trauma Stewardship: https://traumastewardship.com/about-the-authors/
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How do we maintain connection even in the midst of being fired? Abby and Kellee spend time talking about how important it is to become even more relational when we therapists are in the midst of being fired. They explore the many ways therapists can spiral into negative self-talk and shame when they are fired by a client. Self-reflection is brought in, and they talk about our therapist part, our human part, and how we honor both
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Cloe Madanes- https://cloemadanes.com
Lisa Dion- https://lisa-dion.com
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“My client said they wanted to do deep trauma work, and then they never returned.” Does this sound like an experience you’ve had? Abby and Kellee discuss modalities and interventions like: EMDR, parts work, expressive therapies, etc. and how to use these to titrate work with clients who want to process trauma. Even when clients push for fast and intense work Abby and Kellee discuss therapists’ responsibility to assess what part(s) of the client is asking this (protector part?), and what part(s) truly need the titration to heal. They explore the benefits of titrating for both the therapist and the client.
Topics Touched on:
The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino:https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954 Ana Gomez: https://www.anagomez.org
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Debra Wesselmann & Dr. Ann Potter P-A-C EMDR Model
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Abby and Kellee have the pleasure of interviewing Bridgette Black, licensed esthetician, and celebrity/professional makeup artist. Listeners will feel the authenticity and warmth come through their speakers in this episode with Bridgette as she explores many of the layers that come with being an entrepreneur. While Bridgette does not identify as a healer or therapist it is clear in this episode, she encompasses so many of the identities Abby and Kellee ask listeners to consider bringing into the therapy space to support clients’ healing.
Topics Touched on:
Bridgette Black- https://www.bridgetteblack.com
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Are you an in-home therapist, school-based therapist, a therapist in a correctional facility, or a therapist with your own office space? Abby and Kellee attempt to explore all the spaces a therapist practices in, and then discuss how the energy you bring into this space impacts clients. They discuss things from coffee mugs to couches that are brought into our work with clients, and how these objects may offer us delight in whatever space we are in, and this in turns provides delight to our clients.
Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel-https://robyngobbel.com
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What percentage do you think you are talking in sessions with clients? Abby and Kellee explore how important and needed silence is for our clients. Abby and Kellee touch on the difference between being silent and present versus being silent and disconnected. They also give tips to help therapists practice using silence in sessions as well as phrases to use with clients so clients don’t feel dropped.
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Rumi- https://www.britannica.com/biography/Rumi Erica Bonham- https://avoscounseling.com/about-menu/about/
EMDR Tool Box- https://www.springerpub.com/emdr-toolbox-9780826172556.html
Michael Hamm: https://www.integrativebodyworkeducation.com
Deb Dana: https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/deb-dana/
Louis Cozolino- https://mindgains.org/resources/advisory-board/louis-cozolino-ph-d/ Lisa Dion- https://lisa-dion.com
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Topics Touched on:Abby and Kellee touch on reflective functioning and why this is so important for us to assess and support our clients around, but also why it is imperative for us as therapists to have the capacity to do so as well. They share two reflective functioning interventions during the episode, and how and why to utilize it with clients. Abby and Kellee discuss therapists not being able to increase clients’ mentalization if they do not possess this ability themselves and call for therapists to do their own deep work.
Peter Fonagy- https://www.ucl.ac.uk/psychoanalysis/research/reflective-functioning-questionnaire-rfq Louis Cozolino- https://mindgains.org/resources/advisory-board/louis-cozolino-ph-d/ Peter Levine- https://www.somaticexperiencing.com Lisa Dion- https://lisa-dion.com
Ana Gomez- https://www.anagomez.org Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com/members/cosp-videos-and-handouts/
Dan Siegel: https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
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Abby and Kellee explore how they have each evolved and transitioned between theoretical orientations. They discuss how shame can show up when we find a new orientation that brings deeper healing than we have previously provided. Abby and Kellee use IPNB to bring in compassion as they normalize this experience around growing up the field. They conclude that no matter the orientation you use as long you are grounded in it safety will be present, and treatment can begin.
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Marshall Lyles- https://www.marshalllyles.com
Anna Gomez- https://www.anagomez.org Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Dr. Stephen Porges: https://www.stephenporges.com
Dr. Chaitra Wirta-Leiker: https://www.growbeyondwords.com Debra Wesselmann & Dr. Ann Potter P-A-C EMDR Model
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Abby and Kellee explore relationships in the therapy room, drawing inspiration from an unlikely pair in the documentary "My Octopus Teacher". They use the film to reflect on the many parallels of the client-therapist relationship: the struggle with our own agenda, when to take charge, when to sit back, how we all truly have everything within us to heal, and most importantly, how relationships are developed through a felt sense of safety (not with words) in the therapy room.
Topics Touched on:
My Octopus Teacher- https://www.netflix.com/title/81045007 Mateo’s Salsa-https://mateossalsa.com The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino- https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954
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When tragedy strikes in a therapist’s own community the ability to be present and hold space for others is an understandable challenge. Abby and Kellee explore their own thoughts, feelings, and experiences related to the recent tragedy in their community at the Boulder King Soopers Grocery Store. They highlight that safety can feel lost with each mass shooting, and explore how to find safety again, hold it, and offer it back to clients. Abby and Kellee speak to the grief therapists hold for their clients that were impacted, for their clients that were the victims, and for their client that was the shooter.
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How does holding onto the concept of BOTH/AND help us during this global pandemic? For many therapists their caseloads are overflowing as the mental health crisis in the United States unfolds. With overflowing caseloads brings: abundance AND loss, privilege AND exclusion, Resources AND Scarcity. Abby and Kellee explore the many areas of where BOTH/AND show up in the therapist work. If our psychological immune systems are going to sustain, we must hold BOTH/AND in our own lives as well.
Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
Supporting Texas: https://feedingtexas.networkforgood.com/projects/101860-feeding-texas-general-support
Shortage of Child Therapists: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-02-pandemic-exacerbating-shortage-child-therapists.html
Moral Injury by Kim Young, LCSW: https://www.instagram.com/dopeblack_socialworker/
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com/members/cosp-videos-and-handouts/
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We hold stories of goodbyes long before we are Earth-side. Goodbyes are very much a part of the therapeutic relationship. Abby and Kellee touch on how goodbyes show up in the therapy space and how goodbyes have shown up in their personal lives. If our bodies hold stories from long ago around goodbyes, are we aware of how these stories are carried into our therapeutic work with clients? Abby and Kellee wonder out loud if goodbyes are actually the richest work we’ll do with any one of our clients.
Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
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Abby and Kellee introduce their first guest of the podcast! Norina Asante who is a first-generation Ghanaian-American. Norina gives the listener(s) her lived experience around being a therapist of color in the mental health field, particularly during 2020, and also shares some more personal stories around being a woman of color. Norina describes for the listener(s) what support has been most healing for her, and what she believes therapist can offer to their clients to create healing; deep listening and presence. Norina addresses the work that we must all do to heal our communities.
RESOURCES:
Opportunities for White People in the Fight for Racial Justice https://www.whiteaccomplices.org/?utm_campaign=Racial%20Trauma%20Webinar%20June%202020&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=109425188&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--B0b2ZXz6BRZGf68vaXuRJvuEWdAgOdnblChFxCWCqPiXn8BcOM9VXz1QKi9fTNuyA5UR4BpEFb9X8V-Ba-_Bof9fRSA&utm_content=109425188&utm_source=hs_email
Anti-Racism Daily Newsletterhttps://www.antiracismdaily.com/?utm_campaign=Racial%20Trauma%20Webinar%20June%202020&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=109425188&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-82CkKYZkFfwXl_nmCvdbjOjynoA5fp3FZ47FxmRG3tGs6sBHslIpsD4ufeDciMjZEBD5XtM_ywvHtrYUQHLehCMKInIA&utm_content=109425188&utm_source=hs_email
Seeing Whitehttps://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/?utm_campaign=Racial%20Trauma%20Webinar%20June%202020&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=109425188&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8-gTj_l6fP4tvQjXPnSa3DG7p1uxah1uX_IMdQbMrhsiz3OvJ83Zzn_VUzqM-SvAwMEm6nbNT44dTPE7rquxIl2CBJyQ&utm_content=109425188&utm_source=hs_email
If you want to continue this conversation Motivo provides free peer consultation groups on a couple of topics relevant to racial equity: https://www.motivo.community/events?utm_campaign=Racial%20Trauma%20Webinar%20June%202020&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=109425188&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_l49l_4HHW5SxZ2anKRTSzQiAUqJWsB7FOi4j-ivRuLMpQ8WwriNq9JADPJIiBcg3SsVX7Ut_712BHPlZgozv7Y6zwhw&utm_content=109425188&utm_source=hs_email
Embodying Epigenetics Training:https://www.eventbrite.com/e/embodying-epigenetics-the-story-of-our-cells-tickets-136049097513
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Abby and Kellee are back for season 2! There is a bit of a reunion feel to this first episode of season 2. Abby and Kellee fill in the gaps of what they have been up to since taking a break after season 1. They start touching on the topic of transitions and explore this idea that we cannot return to “what was;” We transform in transitions.
Topics Touched on:Michael Hamm: https://www.integrativebodyworkeducation.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Embodying Epigenetics Training: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/embodying-epigenetics-the-story-of-our-cells-tickets-136049097513
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Kellee and Abby come back for an encore in Season 1! They explore the layers of the upcoming holidays, winter moving in, and the pandemic worsening. In this episode they are curious about the mystical powers the cold may have, the need for preparation in a winter season, and the life that is actually present when something appears dead. Stay tuned for the end of this episode as there are some special guests at that end to offer messages of hope, and a remarkable song that carries a soothing tune for the weary therapist's soul.
Topics Touched On:Winter: The Power of Rest and Retreat in Difficult Times by Katherine May
The Keep Going Song by Abigail and Shaun Bengson (used with permission): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQ
Special Guests:
Rachel Rossi: https://rachelrossicounseling.com
Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.com
Karen Doyle Buckwalter: https://northstarconsultingassociates.com/karen-doyle-buckwalter-lcsw/
Meghan Gentry, LCSW
Deb Wesslemann: http://www.atcnebraska.com/team/deb-wesselmann/
Marshall Lyles : https://www.marshalllyles.com
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Abby and Kellee take listeners on an exciting scientific journey exploring the idea that are genes are not stagnant and unchanging. They spend time helping the listener understand what a gene is, and how epigenetics is related to our genes. They explore conditions that are created in the environment that lead our genes to be expressed or not expressed like: mental health, obesity. physical ailments, disease, etc. They find hope in their discussion along the way, noting the environment we create for our clients can truly change the genes and therefore future generations to come.
Topics Touched On:Moshe Szyf: https://www.ted.com/speakers/moshe_szyf
Bruce H. Lipton, PhD: https://www.brucelipton.com/books/biology-of-belief
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Under healthy conditions implicit and explicit memory are happening at the same time. Abby and Kellee define these terms and identify where these types of memory live within the brain. Several examples are given about each type of memory, and how trauma can impact our implicit and explicit memory.
Topics Touched On:
Dr. Dan Siegel - https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance
Bonnie Badenoch- https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Question: Can you pick one client and begin to notice what is happening for you implicitly, or what’s happening between the two of you implicitly?
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Abby and Kellee explore the struggle of holding space for clients while being sure to hold space for ourselves outside the therapy room. How do we come home at the end of the day and still be able to show up for ourselves and our families? During a time when many therapists are holding higher caseloads and holding higher stress in their own lives Abby and Kellee offer strategies and ideas to use inside and outside sessions that help us lean into balancing and protecting our energy.
Topics Touched on:Tappers- https://bi-tapp.com
Winnicott- https://www.ukessays.com/essays/psychology/holding-and-containing-winnicott.php
PESI- https://www.pesi.com
Peaceful Tree PDF- email us for a copy
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Abby and Kellee start by briefly summarizing The Power of Discord and discuss how this book inspired them to put out this episode around meaning making. Abby and Kellee explore how meaning making is intertwined in all we do and marvel at meaning making beginning at a molecular level. They use this episode to share more vulnerable parts of themselves to help the listener connect to this idea of meaning making, and the implications it has for therapists and clients in the therapy room.
Topics Touched on:
The Power of Discord: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Discord-Relationships-Building-Resilience/dp/0316488879/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2OXST7GJAFP35&dchild=1&keywords=power+of+discord&qid=1604370399&sprefix=power+of+di%2Caps%2C191&sr=8-1
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com/login/?mepr-unauth-page=1994&redirect_to=%2Fmembers%2Fmy-profile%2F
Deb Dana: https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/deb-dana/
Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.com
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Karen Buckwalter podcast: https://attachmenttheoryinaction.podbean.com
Epigenetics: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1392256/
Ana Gomez: https://www.anagomez.org
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
HYGGE: http://hyggehouse.com/hygge
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3083029/
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We are 7 days from Election Day! In this two part episode series Abby and Kellee move right into where they left off from Part 1 of Political Stress in Therapy Room. Coming from a nervous system perspective Abby and Kellee further explore why naming political stress out loud in the therapy room helps create safety, gives opportunity for rupture, and ultimately bringing repair and thus a deeper connection between therapists and their clients. Abby and Kellee move the conversation to reflective functioning, and wonder together why there are not trainings for therapists to talk about politics with their clients.
Topics Touched on:
Peter Fonagy- https://www.ucl.ac.uk/psychoanalysis/people/peter-fonagy
Debra Wesselmann- http://www.atcnebraska.com/team/deb-wesselmann/
Reflective Functioning- https://www.ucl.ac.uk/psychoanalysis/research/reflective-functioning-questionnaire-rfq
Cited Research Articles:
Van Berkum, J. J. A., Holleman, B., Nieuwland, M., Otten, M., & Murre, J. (2009). Right or wrong? The brain’s fast response to morally objectionable statements. Psychological Science, 20(9), 1092–1099.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2009.02411.x
Resources:Dr. Chaitra Wirta-Leiker’s - https://www.growbeyondwords.com/books-videos/
VOTE! https://howto.vote
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Election day is just 2 WEEKS away! Clients, therapists, and humans collectively are ALL feeling it. Join Abby and Kellee as they discuss political stress: what it is, why we in the field need to care, and how our responses to election-induced stress and political attitudes influence the nervous system.
Topics Touched on:
Dr Dan Siegel re: River of Mental Wellness: https://www.drdansiegel.com/
Dr Stephen Porges re: states of our ANS: https://www.stephenporges.com/
Bowlby's Stages of Grief: BOWLBY J. Processes of mourning. Int J Psychoanal. 1961 Jul-Oct;42:317-40. PMID: 13872076.
Cited Research Articles:
Kanai, R., Feilden, T., Firth, C., & Rees, G. (2011). Political orientations are correlated with brain structure in young adults. Current Biology, 21(8), 677–680. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2011.03.017 McAdams, D. P., Hanek, K. J., & Dadabo, J. G. (2013). Themes of self-regulation and self-exploration in the life stories of religious American conservatives and liberals. Political Psychology, 34(2), 201–219. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-9221.2012.00933.x
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Is awkwardness actually just another level of vulnerability with your client? If you can get past it have entered into another level of relationship? Abby and Kellee explore the feeling of being awkward, and get curious about when it happens. Is it happening in relationship with another? They discuss dancing with clients in the awkwardness, and wondering out loud about this feeling being connected to attachment. Is it different than shame, anxiety, embarrassment? What does it feel like in the body? The end by encouraging listeners to externalize their own awkwardness.
Topics Touched On:Tag us in a post showing animage or word that represents your awkward part(s)
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How do we use our breath to create a narrative in our body to let us know we are safe and in turn offer our clients a feeling of safety? Abby and Kellee explore the experience of breathing with a mask on while doing therapy. They become curious about the messages mouth-breathing sends to our bodies, and why our body may be in a state of activation because of this. Abby and Kellee touch on how this activation impacts each of our facial muscles, and why this is important to know during a time when our eyes are almost the only thing that can give cues when we wear masks.
Topics Touched On:
Linda Thai- https://www.traumaresearchfoundation.org/blog/featured-blog-post-linda-thai-shares-mask-wearing-a-moment-to-calm-the-nervous-system-through-intentional-breathing
Deb Dana- https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/deb-dana/
Dr. Dan Siegle- https://www.attachment-and-trauma-treatment-centre-for-healing.com/blogs/understanding-and-working-with-the-window-of-tolerance
Lisa Dion- https://lisa-dion.com
Bonnie Badenoch- lending our nerves system diagram: The Heart of Trauma p.g. 72
EMDR- Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing
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Abby and Kellee start exploring the healing powers of EMDR. Is it the bilateral stimulation that creates healing? They move to talking about other approaches like Emotion Focused Therapy and Dialectical Behavior Therapy. Where does healing begin with these approaches. How do we begin creating healing when we’ve just learned these standardized approaches and struggle to stay authentic and present during the learning curve?
Topics Touched On:
Is EMDR 30 Years Old? https://gowiththat.wordpress.com/2020/05/27/many-questions-about-the-mechanism-of-healing-in-emdr/
EMDR- https://www.emdria.org/
DBT (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy)
A.V.O.S Counseling- https://avoscounseling.com/
CBT (Cognitive Behavior Therapy)
SFT (Solution Focused Therapy)
EFT (Emotion Focused Therapy)
Narrative Therapy
Loving holding- https://psychoanalysis.org.uk/our-authors-and-theorists/donald-woods-winnicott
Jan Schaad- https://www.emdria.org/training-provider/jan-schaad-lcsw/
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Abby and Kellee introduce self-care to the listener and promise to make the conversation around this sometimes-dreaded topic different than what is talked about in the “Top 10 Self-Care,” articles most of us read. They begin by exploring where self-care starts (in the therapy room with the clients), and touch on how taking care of our human and therapist selves must change DC (During COVID).
Topics Touched On:
Marshall Lyles- https://www.marshalllyles.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Lisa Dion- https://lisa-dion.com
EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing)- https://www.emdria.org
DC- During COVID
BC- Before COVID
AC- After COVIDTaking in 174 Newspapers a day- Bonnie Badenoch."The Heart of Trauma."
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What makes a good supervisor/consultant? What questions should you ask when interviewing one to meet with you? Abby and Kellee answers these questions and more, talk how they met, their experience with a shared consultant, and what they have learned about why getting good supervision/consultation is so important in the field.
Topics Touched On:Theraplay- https://theraplay.org
Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB)- https://www.icc.institute/iccm/what-is-interpersonal-neurobiology-ipnb/
Marshall Lyles- https://www.marshalllyles.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Synergetic Play Therapy- https://synergeticplaytherapy.com
Dr. Bruce Perry- https://www.bdperry.com
Dr. Dan Seigel- https://www.drdansiegel.com
Bonnie Badenoch- https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
IFS (Internal Family Systems)- https://ifs-institute.com
EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing): https://www.emdria.org
Krista Reichert- https://www.thebabyfold.org/experts/
Play Therapy: https://www.a4pt.org
Reflective Parenting: Circle of Security® - https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
What to ask for in a supervisor/Consultation:What is your model of Supervision?
What certification/credentials do you hold?
How long have you been supervising?
Why do you like supervising?
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As season one kicks off, Kellee and Abby provide digestible and relatable definitions around interpersonal neurobiology. They begin to explore concepts like neurons, mirror neurons, and why clinicians should care about the wisdom of our nervous system.
Topics Touched On:
Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB)- https://www.icc.institute/iccm/what-is-interpersonal-neurobiology-ipnb/
Dr. Dan Seigel- https://www.drdansiegel.com
Bonnie Badenoch- https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Louis Cozolino- The Neuroscience of Psychotherpay: Healing the Social Brain
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Wa-hoo! Episode ONE is here and kicks off the Whole Therapist Podcast. Kellee and Abby cannot wait to share their heart for all things therapy, authenticity, and how neuroscience meets authenticity. Come on in and join the conversation, as these two licensed mental health therapists muse about the incredible field of interpersonal neurobiology, while keeping it casual (no pretentiousness allowed!).
Topics Touched On:“Mwe”- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo8Yo4UE6g0
Dr. Dan Seigel- https://www.drdansiegel.com
Dr. Stephen Porges- https://www.stephenporges.com
Synergetic Play Therapy- https://synergeticplaytherapy.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Bonnie Badenoch- https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
"Being with" Circle of Security® - https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
MIM (Marschak Interactive Method)- https://theraplay.org
Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB)- https://www.icc.institute/iccm/what-is-interpersonal-neurobiology-ipnb/
Marshall Lyles- https://www.marshalllyles.com
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What happens when both you and your client are trying to survive the pandemic? Come join the conversation as two licensed mental health therapists explore "parts" in the therapy room- The part of you (the human) that is experiencing COVID and the part of you (the therapist) that is in the therapy office holding the client(s)/family(ies) who are experiencing COIVD. How do we as therapists keep our humanity in the therapy space while having boundaries and maintaining our role as a therapist?
Topics Touched On:Lisa Dion- https://lisa-dion.com
Dr. Alexandra Solomon- https://www.dralexandrasolomon.com
Dr. Rhoton- https://aztrauma.org/about/meet-our-staff/robert-rhoton-bio/
EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing): https://www.emdria.org
Bonnie Badenoch- https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Figi McAlpine- https://www.doyogawithme.com/content/profile-fiji-mcalpine
Mindful MFT- http://www.newyorkcouplescounseling.com/about/vienna-pharaon/
Poly Vagal Theory- https://www.stephenporges.com
APA COVID Recommendations: https://www.apa.org/topics/covid-19
IFS (Internal Family Systems)- https://ifs-institute.com
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