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Expressing the relationship between the parts & the whole. We teach leadership concepts through Bowen Family Systems Theory and life experiences while giving a vocabulary and framework to leadership. The monthly podcast with the guys includes: interviews with local leaders, in-depth teaching of concepts and more.

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Episode 101 - The Beginning through to the End.

In this episode, we discuss...

  • How we came to learn about Bowen's Theory and eventually start this podcast
  • The early days of the OverFunctioning Leadership podcast (and our elephant mascot)
  • The reasons we are ending the podcast and what the next steps are
  • Special memories of different episodes
    • Most intriguing episodes
    • Most viewed episode
    • Brumbles (Brain Rumbles?) and ZAMRs
    • Best guest
    • Least favorite episode
  • How we've grown during this podcast
  • What we each bring to the podcast
  • Favorite leadership quote

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Episode 100

In this episode, we discuss

  • Resilience to feedback, starting from the story podcasting experience Avrum had with a listener over email
  • How do we present ourselves saying the things with looking for others to find value or agreement in it (looking for a reflection to define our own sense of self)
  • The problem to limiting narratives and it effect on the realm of therapy (when leaders don't / can't say what they are thinking)
  • The tension of being a public figure rooted in emotion vs thoughtful
  • Building a repertoire of people (authors, leaders, public figures) who have a process with which we trust and agree
  • The role of curiosity in overcoming the fear or reliance of public opinion

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Episode 99

In this episode, we discuss

  • Leaders are leaders BECAUSE they are inspired
  • A leader is someone who makes a difference
  • How Dan came to understand leadership through this lens
  • Leaders...
    • Make things happen
    • Watch thing happen (trust people)
    • Reflect on things that have happened
  • Being a "yes" person vs a "no" person and the costs
  • The key elements of leadership - Curiosity, Imagination, and Creativity

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Episode 98

  • What is mentorship?
  • Is there a difference, in your experience, between structured and unstructured mentorship experiences?
  • What traits make a mentee prime for being mentored?
  • What compatibility is necessary between a leader and more?
  • Equipping mentees for self-sufficiency
  • How many of my relationships should I be mentoring vs being mentored?
  • We talk about this and more!

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Episode 97

Tyler was kind to share his story with us. He show cases a thoughtful, curious attitude on this life as he seeks a different perspective on his life. Some highlights of this episode include :

  • An examination of childhood events, anxiety, and trauma carried into adult life.
  • Taking the step to honestly share his experience, and unburden himself, with his family.
  • "Finding his true self" - looking at who he is rather than who he ought to be.
  • Taking the leap into marriage as one of several decisions he determined were necessary next steps.
  • Dealing with the drain of an unfulfilling job which doesn't utilize many of his skills or talents.

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Spoiler Alert : The moral of the fable is "The unmotivated are notoriously invulnerable to insight."

  • How should leaders lead when they are the only one's who are motivated?
  • Can we see overfunctioning and underfunctioning in this fable?

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According to Geert Hofstede, America is individualistic.

We ask questions, approaching this issue similarly to other systemic issues we encounter :

  • How does this affect our relationships?
  • Where do we see this manifest?
  • Do we favor perfection as leaders?
  • How do we lead better with this information?

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The Leader's Journey brings some new perspectives to Bowen System's Theory.

We ask questions, approaching this issue similarly to other systemic issues we encounter :

  • Are there consistent traps all leaders fall into?
  • Is there a correlation between spiritual growth and emotional maturity?
  • How do you view others?

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Developed in the 70's, Critical Race Theory (CRT), has come to the political forefront - why? We briefly go over the definition of CRT but are more interested in its current spotlight.

We ask questions, approaching this issue similarly to other systemic issues we encounter :

  • How did we get here?
  • What are we supposed to do with this?
  • How do you manage in the midst?

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Some say that change is inevitable, but it is not something we tend to enjoy or regularly chase. We ask questions, approaching this issue similarly to other systemic issues we encounter :

  • Why is change so difficult?
  • How do you manage relationships through change?
  • If and when should you settle?

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As a hot topic in the news, as well as something that affects wide ranging groups of people, the [of] Leadership crew. We ask questions, approaching this issue similarly to other systemic issues we encounter :

  • What is my role in keeping things the way they currently are?
  • How can I make this a safe space to discuss this?
  • What is the value of changing the way thing are now?

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The of Crew takes a bit of time to think through the lasting of effects of the Puritan work ethic on our modern day work place and work week. As we think calmly and gain perspective on our societal view on the workforce, we think through the impact that relationships have on a system where we try to work harder and develop a "work life" separate from our personal life.

The article Zac referenced and frequently thinks on : The nuclear family was a mistake

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"If you don't want to divorce, separate." This quote emphasizes the necessity of individuality and the chance to gain some distance from a situation in order to calm one's self. Amidst the rambles of our pandemic exhausted brains, we made observations on :

  • The loss of easily accessible conversations to test ideas thoughtfully
  • The difficulty of young relationships in new places without social structures
  • Door Dash

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Mentioned in this episode...

  • The Eight Concepts of Bowen Theory by Roberta Gilbert

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Have you encountered issues and difficulties within teams? It seems that all teams have some vision, and a poor vision or lack of direction can cause tension and affect relationships and productivity. John leads us in a classic of Leadership discussion through the ideas of difference between, and need for, discussion and dialogue.

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  • The Fifth Discipline, Book by Peter Senge

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One's ability functional is tied to our ability to regulate ourselves within a variety of anxieties and stressors. By looking at our own ability to function, and realizing we need a "reset", we can make the conscious decision to reset ourselves onto the rails of our life which are our guiding principals and values.

As well, how does our response to our stressors affect our "survivability"? By taking a survey of the course of our daily lives, we can consciously affect our ability to thrive throughout stressors, such as how a pandemic affects our day-to-day life and anxieties.

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Having lost a mother, experienced the loss of a student, and comforting her daughter through own divorce, Marge Smith is no stranger to grief. The sudden loss of a complex relationship of 32 years has left her with an intense grief different than the others she has seen in her life. 

Marge talks through...

  • Faith as a foundation of strength and hope
  • Expectations and roles changing within the grieving process
  • Secondary PTSD and the problem of being a problem solver
  • Self versus a selfish point of view
  • How to walk alongside someone who is grieving

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  • In the Wake of Death (ep. 49)

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Billy loves to draw, but it seems to his parents that he's starting down a dark path...? What does it look like to be curious, without allowing fear to project our assumptions? What does it mean to bring a neutral person in for a fresh perspective? This  Friedman Fable is a great example of why you should pick up a copy for yourself and learn more about Bowen's Family Systems Theory!

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Having discussed trust before, on a societal level, this time a personal question of, "How do I trust people, especially having had a difficult time trusting in the past."

There is also a surprise guest appearance from Alexa, Alex's lovely lady lumps, speaking from her progressing experience as a graduate student on the import of learning to trust oneself in a relationship and not to second-guess.

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Not noticing or addressing feelings deny us of our humanness. How can a leader be in touch with their feelings while not allowing it to drive snap decisions? 

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Wouldn't everyone want to work smarter and more efficiently? Well, yes, of course! So what is keeping us from being better workers? Perhaps anxiety has something to play? 

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Who should you be a little more curious about? Ask for a story, and learn to influence through listening as a calming presence!

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Who should you be a little more curious about? Ask for a story, and learn to influence through listening as a calming presence!

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Listen in today as we discuss some topics, such as:

  • What is society emotional process?
  • How is it evident in today?
  • What do we do with it?

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Listen in today as we discuss some topics with Greg, such as :

  • What advice would you have for someone who is really unhappy at their job?
  • What goes into pick a career where you'll have to be in a single job position for a long time, such as a teacher?
  • What does it look like to work in a team environment, especially as a younger employee in a position of leadership?
  • What is the importance of seeking and giving feedback to employees?

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The Coronavirus has changed the world we see. How has the anxiety changed? Why are things more political? Why has anxiety shifted from focusing on the virus to focusing on self rights? Why do I get defensive with my mask on?  The guys explore this topic and more. 

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Bias holds many different forms and can lock systems in place. As a leader, can you de-bias a system? Can a leader use restorative practice? Can you test your bias?  The guys explore this topic and more. 

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Diversity can be wrongly used as commodity by organizations. However, it is important. Why is it beneficial?  The guys explore this topic and more. 

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We use triangles to alleviate anxiety and can calm us but can cause problems if relational issues are not addressed directly. The guys explore this topic and more. 

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Criticism is grounded in perceived faults, therefore, making it hard to diagnose. The [of] crew look at all angles of criticism to better understand this difficult topic. Questions explored include:

What factors lead to inspiration/criticism?

Is criticism inevitable?

Is gossip and slander a form of criticism?

When is appropriate to give criticism?

Also, the source of Zac's three questions.

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Early on, BJ Fogg introduced his Tiny Habits methodology in an an easily digestible Ted Talk, Forget big change, start with a tiny habit: BJ Fogg at TEDxFremont.

Leaders are constantly forced to create change, and Bowen Theory points one inward to starting with examining their own behaviors. Zac, having attempted to use this habit building process years prior, talks through his experience in the methodology. 

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New Year's Resolutions end with just 8% succeeding (or just making it to February) depending which sources you look at! As we discuss our own experience's with resolutions, we discuss it's relation to making impact on our habits.

  • Why are you even making your resolution? External or internal factors differ drastically in their effect on lasting behavior change. (And check out our previous episode on Willpower here!)
  • Is will power a muscle you strengthen and grow, or a tank which you slowly (or quickly) deplete? Zac's anecdotal study (which he claims he once read!) says this affects your ability to stand firm in the turmoil of change.
  • John proposes the idea of using January as a "testing period" to try out your resolution and consciously evolve it into something maintainable. He then makes a pleading case for us frame our resolutions each day in terms of the economics theory of sunk cost; each day, ask yourself, regardless of what you did yesterday, and do what is right for you.

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Where on  spectrum between authoritarian and permissive leadership should a leader stand and when? How can one lead an organization when both ends of the spectrum are not desirable? 

Overfunctioning, underfunctioning, placing responsibility in the right place as well as many other leadership theory weave through this discussion. Join us as we brainstorm through this topic. 

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What are the pitfalls and pillars to good parenting? Oh how this podcast will sound different as Zac and Alex become parents.

Listen in for this and more, as we help identify the roles and priorities we spotted in our own upbringing while gaining perspective! John shares some advice too that he thinks is imperative! (And you know how we feel about unasked for advice...)

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What does it like to grow through the stale period of a romantic relationship? Providing space for fighting couples to think about their dating gridlock can help them grow and perhaps love better.

Listen in for this and more, as we lather you with questions you can ask yourself to help identify your roles and priorities while gaining perspective! Oh, and we recommend some music too as you ponder change...

You can connect with Avrum Nadigel at nadigel.com. Be on the look out for his new book, coming out soon, Conversations with a Master Therapist.

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Perhaps the most influential person in your life could be, or is, your partner. In this episode the [of] crew tackle the leadership needed in the dating realm:

  • What is one piece of dating advice you think is completely worthless?
    • It will happen when you least expect it
    • Every day is a potential mate
    • You have to feel the spark
    • You're too picky
  • What is something that makes dating harder/easier?
    • Fusion, cutoff
    • Working on self

Listen in for this and more, as we lather you with questions you can ask yourself to help identify your roles and priorities while gaining perspective! Oh, and we recommend some music too as you ponder change...

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Some "leaders" are hired, some leaders are elected, and some leaders are simply influencers as a self. We have all seen ineffective leaders

  • Should a leader initiate change?
  • What factors should a leader consider regarding the speed and frequency of change, especially with respect to...?
    • The people or the the organization
    • Outside forces / influences on the system
  • What is a leader to expect in change?
  • Can a leader effectively provide preemptive solutions to problems?

Listen in for this and more, as we lather you with questions you can ask yourself to help identify your roles and priorities while gaining perspective! Oh, and we recommend some music too as you ponder change... 

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Change is inevitable but people don't change... Do you feel the tension between those two statements? 

Change is a stranger to no one, but not many people's friends. When looking at change, we found it helpful to gain some perspective and discuss... : 

  • The factors that cause change (and it's relationship to anxiety).
  • Change on a societal level, noting how family demographics have changed visibly even in recent history.
  • What kinds on changes cause action (acute anxiety) and what leads to stress (chronic anxiety)?
  • Do positive events (change) lead to less chronic anxiety? What does that mean to us?
  • Can people change?
  • Change on a biological level (entropy) and how we are built to instinctively respond to change.
  • And more!

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Anxious systems resist the type of leader that would most help them to reverse the downward regression they find themselves in. The [of Leadership] crew explore the affect of Bowen Family System Theory (BFST) on different aspects of their lives.

The social studies educator of the group, John, explains how BFST has changed his view on politics - Donald Trump vs. Abraham Lincoln, the US regressive state and finding good leaders.
Zac identifies self as his BFST change and explains its affects in three areas: influence of others on self (multigenerational process), guiding principles setting a trajectory for life, and defining self.
Alex uses personal stories to show how BFST has changed his view on leadership. How do you let others borrow self in a healthy way?

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Brené Brown has made vulnerability a personal goal and encourages others to do the same. John, Zac and Alex examine Brown's TED talk in this episode [of Leadership].

What is perception? Am I enough? What does selectively numbing yourself mean? Am I worthy of love and belonging? John guides the conversation and questions the relationship issues with needing others for affirmation.
The power of story leads to personal growth. Zac discusses societies want to cast away things that do not bring immediate help.
Alex discusses the need for humility to reorient your individual homestasis for vulnerability.

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The family is key to leadership development and the source of much chronic anxiety. Through the three questions: How has a family changed?, What is the responsibility of the family leader?, and How does the role of the family leader change over time?, we discuss:

As the leader of a family, John guides the talk and brings up ideas of the primacy and structuring principle.
Zac identifies modeling and differing modes of family leadership. Instruction and reproach through openess and care is essential.
Alex wonders how the family leader is identified and discusses his late-sister's role as such.

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The goal is effective leadership, what does the journey look like? In this episode, Mark Treen breaks down the Principled Leader into three essential areas :

Effective Leaders...
1.) ...have a solid framework (Bowen Family System Theory etc...) to pull from. A leaders foundational framework starts with what they inherited from their family, but, as leaders we can always learn and change on the leadership journey.
2.) ...know Triangles. Understanding and navigating triangles can be of great help and comfort.
3.) ...define self. What do you stand for? What do people say about you?

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It's been a wild two years of conversations, growth, and leadership theory. We've learned a lot in our discussions and through our podcasts (especially about podcasting) and we thought it was a great opportunity to share our roots and and to re-share our definition of leadership.

Leadership, the influencing of others, is something we do unintentionally every day, just with our presence and much more with our actions! By taking the time to think through and gain perspective on past experiences and examining current ones, we can more intentionally engage with and influence others! As the [of] Leadership crew flashes back to some of their old stories, we have the opportunity to gain an appreciation for all that has happened since.

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Romantic relationships are difficult and take intentionality to grow. Using examples from three different perspectives (single, enganged and married), we discuss:

As the married man of the bunch, John guides us to work on self to better all relationships. Needing your spouse less for borrowing of self is the key.

Zac discusses setting expectations and relational maturity. Love is an action to which breeds a commitment to the one you want to be with.

Alex ponders gaining awareness while growing self. Finding differences in others gains appreciation and attraction.

Romantic relationships will increase anxiety and managing self can help to stabalize systems. As David Schnarch pontificated, everybody gets married for the wrong reasons.

Resources Mentioned...:

  • Passionate Marraige by David Schnarch

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With Jon Barth, we discussed:

  • Journaling to bring self awareness
  • Reacting vs. responding
  • Identifying emotional states through processing
  • Being your best self
  • Growing up through difficulty
  • Loss of self and how to regain self
  • The journey of living up to your full potential
  • The easiest person to change is you

Resources Mentioned...:

  • Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin
  • Lincoln on Leadership by Donald T. Phillips
  • Passionate Marraige by David Schnarch
  • The Strange Secret of the Big Time (What Makes Life Great?) by Frosty Westering

You can connect with Jon Barth at jonbarthbooks.com. Check out his book, The 1% Journal: 366 Challenges for Teachers and Coaches to Increase Their Impact.

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The diminished role of the family system in US society has had negative systematic affects. Using examples of PBIS (Positive Behavior Interventions and Supports) and marriage, we discuss:

As the social studies major, John guides the talk and identifies the usurping of the family role to the State.

Zac focuses on guiding principles and their importance to the individual and system. Thoughtful consideration and action is needed when a societal system is supplanted.

Alex uses his knowledge of the State mandated education system to ponder the overstep of the State with moral education.

Higher anxiety pushes systems to overfunction; within the US, the State has taken this role. Bowen's Family Systems Theory shows its value as it provides a framework for further observation and understanding.

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Difficulties within families increase anxiety in adolescents. In this episode, we discuss:

John ponders the interplay of external vs. internal factors. Those external factors being individuality/togetherness; the internal factors being thinking/feeling.

Zac recalls his resident training in college for mental health. He contemplates the diagnosis of depression/anxiety and the label it places on an individual.

Alex focuses on the role of guiding principles with individuals and families; the ability to navigate anxious times.

Contemplating the shift of anxiety in a family system can unearth problem areas and possibly shed light on depression. Bowen's Family Systems Theory shows its value as it provides a framework for further observation and understanding.

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Death is a permanent, unavoidable part of life. In this episode, we get to hear:

  • John wrestles with the implication of the passing of the day that marks another year since his mothers day.
  • Zac relates the two different experiences with the passing of his grandfathers and how it influences the way he relates to people to this day.
  • Alex speaks of his sister's passing and the emotions that did (and did not) play a part in his thinking as wrought changes within his family.

Amidst the loss and hurt, death is an opportunity for reflection and growth. As one passes from this world, their influence lives on in the lives of others. Bowen's Family Systems Theory shows its value as it provides a framework for further observation and understanding.

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With Avrum Nadigel, we discussed:

  • Punk rock and Avrum's introduction into Systems Theory.
  • How Avrum disrupted his system by changing relationship with his mother (breaking the triangle).
  • The lesson's of Bowen's Theory leading Avrum to dating differently and eventually marriage!
  • Avrum speaks on (not) giving advice and creating a space to think differently; to allow for systems thinking.
  • ... and more, from a son's relationship to a dad, relationships's not being easy, National Treasure, etc.

Avrum's Resource Recommendations...:

  • Roberta Gilbert (Extraordinary Relationships)
  • Jenny Brown
  • John Engles (everything!)
  • David Schnarch

You can connect with Avrum Nadigel at morethanlove.ca. Be on the look out for his new book, coming out soon, Conversations with a Master Therapist.

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On "Stress [of Leadership]", we discussed:

  • Triangles
  • Nodal Events
  • Nodal Event Examples: birth, death, marriage, new job
  • Homeostasis
  • (Check out our previous episode on homeostasis
  • Chronic anxiety
  • Convictions / Guiding principles

The takeaways from today:

  • [Alex] Don't manage other peoples emotions. Just don't. Listen to this episode and I'll tell you why.
  • [Zac] Seeking advice and changing the homeostasis of a system works best when you keep guiding principle in perspective.
  • [John] As a leader, I'm responsible TO people, not responsible FOR people.

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On "Stress [of Leadership]", we discussed:

  • Nodal / Watershed Events
  • Nodal Event Examples: birth, death, marriage, new job
  • Watershed Event Examples: the black plague, invention of the washing machine, the holocaust
  • Technical vs Adaptive Problems
  • Technical Problem: issues residing in the rational realm
  • Adaptive Problem: issues residing in the emotional realm (relational problems)
  • 4 triangle patterns identified by John Engles!
  • https://www.leadershipcoachinginc.com/single-post/2017/01/31/Coaching-Clinic-Lesson-10-Triangle-Patterns-in-Coaching
  • The identified patient and the mascot
  • Identified Patient: the family member who is the point of family anxiety and is consciously or subconsciously the blame for unexplored emotional issues in the family system
  • Mascot: the member of the system who's role is to absorb or dispel anxiety through comic relief

The takeaways from today:

  • [Zac] Be aware of the relationship between distance and anxiety
  • [Alex] Keep it factual to help prevent anxiety from accumulating
  • [John] Be aware of your automatic functioning; ask yourself, "What do I tend to do and how can I be more thoughtful?"

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In this episode the crew looks into one of the foundational indicators of a highly anxious system - cutoff and fusion. They explain how to identify as well as, manage the phenomenon.

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The tables are turned as John hosts this episode to demonstrate the affects of a change in homeostasis - homeostasis refers to the always balancing of anxiety in a system to a state of rest. Homeostasis is a tenant of leadership that all leaders should be aware of.

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The of Leadership crew takes some time to discuss the topic of failure from the perspective of Family Systems Theory. Emotions tend to run high when failure occurs, with the potential to create anxiety and negatively stigmatize risk. Take some time to ponder with us on the whats, hows, whos, and whys of failure!

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Nick Kollar, young adult and influencer, joins OF to discuss how to take on responsibility to grow up.

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Theory provides insight and the OF crew contemplate the essentials to great leadership.

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Special Services Director Kristie Prough joins the crew to tackle this most difficult of topics. How does one stay a solid self in the midst of an anxious system?

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The OF family sits back and muses about their holiday experiences. Take a seat and think with us about how the season presents an opportunity to lead by bringing people together.

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A numerous amount of self help books and periodicals point toward increasing productivity to enhance leadership. Can this be done? Is this true? How does one achieve efficiency? The OF crew explores this topic and more in this episode.

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Things that creep and go bump in the night are not big favorites for the OF crew. Zac and Alex discuss the anxiety tied to Halloween and it's dark undertones.

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Leaders are perpetually in multiple states of conflict - some healthy, some not, and some of which they rather not be a part. The OF crew views these three positions of conflict and delves into the best posture leaders can take in the midst of them.

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  • Tom's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/moyerto
  • Fainting Goats?!? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fainting+goats
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John brings the topic of competence to OF this week. Can a leader rely on competence to drive their management? Who sets the standards for the label of "competent"?

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Associate pastor Jarrod Williams joins the OF crew to better understand how to lead in a supporting role. How do you posture yourself in a one down relationship to lead without complaining?

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What does willpower have to do with disparity? The OverFunctioners take a look at the ways in which willpower affects our approach to leadership and our potential to succeed.

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Answering a question from a listener, the OverFunctioners delve into their opinions on portrayals of leaders and the concept of leadership in television and film. Listen in as they try they discuss how they believe it can affect society! (P.S. - Alysha, please listen to the end...)

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Fresh off a trips to Mexico and Europe, Zac & Alex posit the benefits of cultural experiences.

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Our Show [00:15] Introduction - ZAMRs (and our other miscellaneous content) are located on our YouTube Channel

[02:41] Fable - Kevin Love, The Cavs, and Anxiety.

[10:20] Are things getting worse? We take a look through our lense of Systems Theory.

[37:55] Conclusion and shoutouts.


Resources and quotes from this episode A Failure of Nerve: Leadership in the Age of the Quick Fix Paperback by Edwin H. Friedman

The ultimate irony of societal regression, however, is that eventually it co-opts the very institutions that train and support the leaders who could pull a society out of its devolution. It does this by concentrating their focus on data and technique rather than on emotional process and the leader's own self. These always goes hand-in-hand.

Roberta Gilbert, MD


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