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The Immeasurable is dedicated to exploring the essential questions of our existence; who we are and where we are going. The intent is to inspire listeners to question assumptions of the mind, offering opportunities to ask deep questions into common life themes that are superficially accepted. We take no ideological positions except to encourage the spirit of inquiry. We aim to provide an in-depth look at dialogue and exploration around Krishnamurti’s teachings. There will be interviews of people who have spent time with Krishnamurti, as well as explorations around the content of his teachings, our programs, and our annual conference. The Immeasurable is a project of the Krishnamurti Center in Ojai, CA. The KFA is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the fourth discussion of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change? This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.
J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 5: Death
Series: Can Humanity Change?
Q: Is there life after death?
When the body dies the desires, the anxieties, the tragedies and the misery go on. They go on contributing to the vast common stream in which mankind lives. Each of us is representative of the whole of that stream.
By inquiring into the whole nature of suffering can one end it and be out of the stream? The free inquiry into suffering is insight. As long as I accept any authority, Buddhist or otherwise, can there be insight?
For the man who is no longer a manifestation of the stream, intelligence, love and compassion are operating.
Q: How do you discriminate between mindfulness, awareness and attention?
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the fourth discussion of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change? This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.
J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 4: Truth
Series: Can Humanity Change?
Q: Is there a difference between reality and truth?
All the things that thought has put together -- literature, poetry, painting, illusions, gods and symbols -- that is reality for us. But nature is not created by thought.
Can the mind, the network of all the senses apprehend, see and observe truth?
Psychological time is the invention of thought, which we use as a means of achieving enlightenment. Is such time an illusion? Is truth measurable by words? Truth is timeless, thought is of time, and the two cannot run together.
Without love, without compassion, truth cannot be. I cannot go to truth, I cannot see truth. Truth can only exist when the self is not.
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the third discussion of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change? This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.
J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978-79 - Buddhist Scholars Discussion 3 - Does Free Will Exist?
Series: Can Humanity Change?
We say free will exists because we can choose between this and that. Apart from material things, why is there choice?
Is there an action in which there is no effort of will at all and therefore no choice?
Why does thought identify with sensations? Is there duality in identification?
How did thought begin in me? Was it handed down by parents, education, environment, the past?
Does the word create the thought or thought creates words?
Why does thought enter into action? Is there an action which is complete, total, whole, not partial?
Can you see someone as a whole being? Then there is love.
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the second discussion of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change? This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.
J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 2: Can We Live Without Identifying?
Series: Can Humanity Change?
*Q: What is the state of the mind that is in the process of dying?
What is death? Is there life after death, is there a continuity? If not, what is the point of living at all?
Why is there the whole process of identification, my possessions, what I will be, success, power, prestige? The identification process is the essence of the self.
Is it possible to live in daily life without this identification process which brings about the structure and the nature of the self which is the result of thought?
Is it possible to be free of the "me", which produces all this chaos, this constant effort? Can thought end? Is it possible to live a daily life with death, which is the ending of the self?*
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the first part of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change? This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.
J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 1: Are You Not Saying What the Buddha Said?
Series: Can Humanity Change?
*Q: Does knowledge condition human beings?
Knowledge means accumulation of information, experience, facts, theories and principles, the past and the present. This bundle we call knowledge.
Can a mind that is burdened with knowledge see truth?
Will we get more knowledge by reading what the Buddha or Christ said? We are full of this accumulative instinct that we think will help us to jump into heaven.
Can I look at the fact without the word with all its intimations, content and tradition?
Can I look at something without the association of words and past remembrances? Then only I see the fact.*
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode comes from a talk titled “War and Peace” at the 2022 KFA May Gathering. Despite the persistent aspiration of every generation to achieve world peace and end war, violence, and terror, these conflicts continue unabated. Most people envision a peaceful world for their children, yet the cycle of violence and ethnic hatred persists.
In this talk, Mark Habeeb raises the question of whether we should abandon this seemingly unattainable goal or go deeper into understanding why we perpetuate the very actions we wish to cease. We may be challenged to have the courage to look within ourselves and recognize that the roots of war and violence lie in our own interactions and relationships.
Mark Habeeb is a Professor of Global Politics and Security at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service in Washington, DC, where his specialty is international negotiation, conflict management, and the role of identity processes in group violence. He is a Fellow of the Middle East Studies Association, a member of the Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues, and a member of the Board of Virginia Humanities. From 1988 to 1991 he was Chairman of the Forum for US-Soviet Dialogue. He has published widely in his field and in 2021 published his first novel. Mark received his PhD from Johns Hopkins University and also studied at the University of Sussex and the Washington Psychoanalytic Institute. He has studied the teachings of Krishnamurti for over 30 years.
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a the last part of a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 15: Can Human Problems Be Solved?
Series: The Ending of Time
*Why have human beings not been able to resolve human, daily problems of life? What prevents the solution of these problems completely?
When there is attention there is no center from which I attend.
A poor man wants to be rich and a rich man wants to be richer. It is a movement of becoming, becoming, both outwardly and inwardly. Though it brings a great deal of pain and sometimes pleasure, this sense of becoming, fulfilling, achieving psychologically has made my life into all that it is.
Is love something that is common to all of us?*For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is part two of Stephen Smith's talk at the KFA’s 2020 Annual May Gathering. In this episode, Stephen is joined by Cory Fisher, the former Archives and Publishing Director of the KFA, and Jaap Sluitjer, the Executive Director of the KFA, in exploring the quiet mind.
Stephen is a former educator at Brockwood Park School, where he had personal contact with Krishnamurti. He was also the former Center Coordinator of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America, organizing events, facilitating dialogues, engaging with the public in Southern California as well as traveling from coast to coast.
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 14: The Mind in the Universe
Series: The Ending of Time
*Is thought a material process?
Is it possible to have a mind that is really, completely empty of all the things that thought has put together?
Only the insight into the nature of reaction ends psychological reaction.
There is absolute stillness and in that stillness, or from that stillness, there is a movement which is everlastingly new.
Can the silent movement of order affect my daily life when I have deep inward psychological order?
Freedom is not a reaction.
There is the universal mind, and the human mind can be of that when there is freedom.*
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You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is a talk by Stephen Smith at the KFA’s 2020 Annual May Gathering. In this episode, Stephen explores the quiet mind. Stephen takes us on a journey through the intricate layers of consciousness, urging us to examine our fundamental perceptions and assumptions about reality. Through rigorous self-inquiry and a deep exploration of the self, he challenges us to go beyond the limitations of our conditioned minds and embrace a state of profound peace and clarity. Although it cannot be sought out, a quiet mind may be necessary to adequately address the ongoing challenges facing humanity. Join us as we uncover the transformative power of the quiet mind and its potential to revolutionize our understanding of ourselves and the world around us.
Stephen is a former educator at Brockwood Park School, where he had personal contact with Krishnamurti. He was also the former Center Coordinator of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America, organizing events, facilitating dialogues, engaging with the public in Southern California as well as traveling from coast to coast.
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 13: The Ending of Psychological Knowledge
Series: The Ending of Time
*Why are our minds always operating in a certain direction?
What shall I do, as a human being, realizing that knowledge is naturally, inevitably forming a groove in which I live? How am I to break it down?
Pure observation, which is actually listening, is that pure observation love?
When I ask you to tell me what to do, I am back in the field of knowledge.
We have tried everything – fasting, every kind of thing to get rid of the ‘me’ with all its knowledge, with all its illusions. One tries to identify with something else, which is the same. A serious man has done all this and comes back to the fundamental question: what will make this wall totally disappear?*For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast andthis episode is an exploration on education between Darcy Gray and Jaap Sluijter. Darcy Gray's interest in Krishnamurti's teachings began in his early twenties, leading him to join the Krishnamurti School in Ojai, California, shortly after its establishment in 1975. During his three-decade tenure at Oak Grove School, he engaged in staff dialogues with Krishnamurti and David Bohm, contributing to various roles in the high school, elementary school, and administration. While teaching math and physics, traditionally approached with rote methods, Darcy prioritized innovative ways of presenting the subjects, fostering a collaborative learning atmosphere in the classroom. His teaching philosophy involved questioning both right and wrong answers, encouraging students to share their perspectives even when divergent from his expectations. Despite retiring in 2020, Darcy remained actively involved in Oak Grove School’s Krishnamurti discussions, volunteering and sustaining a profound interest in K’s questions and dialogues. Jaap Sluijter has a long-standing interest in the questions raised by Krishnamurti. Currently, Jaap is the Executive Director of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America. Previously, he lived and taught at Brockwood Park School in England. He has an MA in Mechanical Engineering and worked as a design engineer in the field of camera systems and musical instruments.
Together, Darcy and Jaap discuss education, drawing insight from Krishnamurti's teachings. They explore the nuances of establishing a meaningful teacher-student relationship, emphasizing the importance of fostering independent thinking. The speakers advocate for a serious learning dynamic, addressing challenges such as fear, judgment, and bullying in the classroom and highlighting the need for clear expectations and standards.
In this dialogue, Jaap and Darcy explore the intricacies of addressing conflict in school, emphasizing the examination of personal desires and vulnerability. They also discuss the impact of Krishnamurti's emphasis on questioning and awareness. The speakers concluded by challenging traditional notions of intelligence, promoting freedom from conditioning, and envisioning schools as spaces for creativity and growth, breaking away from the dichotomy of obedience and rebellion. Click here to watch the previous episode they reference, which pertains to the Flame of Learning book.
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Welcome to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode comes from discussions Krishnamurti had with teachers at Brockwood Park School, recorded in 1976. These dialogues were turned into a book called A Flame of Learning. In the previous episode, “Learning from Every Moment,” Leah and Pooja discuss similar themes. More specifically, they highlight how concepts like authority, discipline, and control impact students, as well as what it means to learn as an educator.
This episode delves into the significance of the teacher and student, exploring topics such as authority, sensitivity, and learning. Krishnamurti emphasizes the value of collaborative learning between teachers and students.
Krishnamurti said, “It is important to establish right relationship between yourself and the student. You cannot do this if you are sitting on a pedestal as a teacher and treating the students as though below you. Come off the pedestal and establish a relationship of mutual learning.” You can find this quote in the book A Flame of Learning, where you can read these dialogues in print.
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You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast. Welcome to our new listeners and hello again to our returning subscribers. This is the second episode in which we explore education. In this episode, Leah Luong is joined by Pooja Dubey, who comes from Delhi and is a former student of Raj Ghat Beasent School, Varanasi. For the last few years, Pooja has been actively involved in dialogues (both online and offline) at the Bangalore Study Center. In this episode, Pooja discusses her experience as a former student at the Krishnamurti School in India. Together, they explore what it means to learn, the essence of education, and how Krishnamurti schools differ from traditional educational systems.
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 12: The Intelligence of Love
Series: The Ending of Time
*Can the mind, brain, the whole psychological structure ever be free from all conflict, from all shadow of disturbance?
Thought is the outcome of psychological accumulation. That accumulation gives a sense of continuity, which is time.
Why do all human beings throughout the world have the urge to become?
In accumulation man has sought psychological security, and that security with its accumulation is the factor of human division.
Perception without any motive, without any direction, perception of the wall which has been brought into being by this movement of accumulation, the very perception of that is intelligence and love.*
For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
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Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 11: An Order Beyond All Human Order and Disorder
Series: The Ending of Time
*Can insight wipe away, banish, or dissolve the whole movement of being tied, attached, dependent, and lonely?
Is there an order which is not man-made?
Measurement can exist only where there is disorder.
We live in a man-made world, we are the result of man-made minds. Can the mind uncondition itself so completely that it’s no longer man-made?
What is the relationship between love and hatred?*For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
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Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 10: Cosmic Order
Series: The Ending of Time
*Is there an order which is not made by humans?
Can the brain ever be free from the impositions, pressures, wounds, bruises, and all the trivialities of existence?
Time is my whole existence. I take refuge in the past, which cannot be changed. Why does the brain accept this way of living, and why doesn’t it break it down?
As long as I have my roots in the past there cannot be order.
If the universe is not of time, can the mind which has been entangled in time unravel itself and so be the universe?*
For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/
© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 9: Senility and the Brain Cells
Series: The Ending of Time
*Is the human brain deteriorating?
The human brain is not a particular brain, it doesn't belong to me or to anyone else, it is the human brain which has evolved for millions of years.
Can the brain not only be aware of its own movement but can the brain itself have enough energy to break all patterns and move out of it?
Is psychological knowledge not in itself a factor of the shrinking of the brain?
The ending of suffering comes about when the self, which is built up through time, is no longer there.
If there is an insight into the nature of time the very brain cells which are part of time break down. The brain cells mutate, bring about a change in themselves.
Meditation is insight.*For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 8: Can Insight be Awakened in Another?
Series: The Ending of Time
*What is the relationship to society of an individual who has insight? What is their action with regard to war and the whole world?
To divert the course of humanity’s destruction, somebody must listen.*For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
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Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 6: Can Insight Bring About a Mutation of the Brain Cells?
Series: The Ending of Time
*Is there a totally different way of approaching the whole turmoil of life?
As long as the center is creating darkness, and thought is operating in that darkness, there must be disorder, there must be everything as society now is. To move away from that you must have insight.
Insight can only come about when there is a flash which abolishes not only the darkness but the creator of darkness.
Human beings have been acting according to one pattern, responding to hatred by hatred and so on. There are those few, perhaps many, who did not. Why has this division taken place?
The man who is living in darkness can move away at any time to the other. That is the point: at any time.
What happens to a mind that has no conflict?*For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 6: Can Insight Bring About a Mutation of the Brain Cells?
Series: The Ending of Time
Can insight change the brain cells?
In the brain is there an activity that is not touched by consciousness?
Insight is not dependent on the material process, which is thought. Where there is violence, peace cannot exist. Where there is peace, is there violence?
As insight is causeless, is not born out of cause, that insight has a definite effect on that which has cause.
The material process acts in ignorance, in darkness. This flash of insight enlightens the whole field, which means ignorance, darkness has been dispelled.For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is a talk titled “Facing a World in Crisis,” given by David Skitt at the Annual May Gathering in 2008. In his talk, David reflects on Krishnamurti’s statement “You are the world” as he discusses themes such as conflict, personal responsibility, and interconnectedness. The second part of the episode is a question and answer session with the audience.
David is a former trustee of the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust at Brockwood Park. He is the editor of a number of books of Krishnamurti’s talks and dialogues, one of which is titled Facing a World in Crisis after which this talk was named. You can find the book at our online bookstore store.kfa.org. I hope you enjoy the episode.
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode comes from discussions Krishnamurti had with teachers at Brockwood Park School, which he founded in England in 1969. These dialogues were turned into a book called A Flame of Learning. If you go back and listen to the previous episode, titled Exploring Education, you’ll hear Jaap and Shailesh reference moments from these conversations, in which Krishnamurti explores a teacher’s relationship with both the school and with their colleagues and students.
In this episode, Krishnamurti questions the nature of freedom and authority, the root of fear and violence, and the possibility of awakening intelligence and sensitivity to order. The teachers and Krishnamurti also go into the nature of inquiry itself and the necessity for clarity, observation, and communication. He challenges educators to look at the need for radical psychological change and to consider the possibility of such changes in all human beings.
Krishnamurti said, "Seeing something very clearly and acting instantly is intelligence. Can we have that intelligence among ourselves first, and then convey it to the student?" You can find this quote in the book A Flame of Learning, where you can read these dialogues in print. Visit store.kfa.org to order it now. I hope you enjoy the episode.
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is an exploration on education between Shailesh Shirali and Jaap Sluijter. Dr. Shailesh Shirali has been with the Krishnamurti schools in India since the early 1980s. He is a trustee of the Krishnamurti Foundation of India (KFI) and has served as Principal of Rishi Valley School; he is currently the Director of Sahyadri School. He has also been in the field of mathematics education for many decades and is the author of several books for students and teachers. He has a particular interest in ancient Indian mathematics, and in facilitating inquiry into fundamental issues among teachers and students at the school level. Jaap Sluijter has a long-standing interest in the questions raised by Krishnamurti. Currently, Jaap is the Executive Director of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America. Previously, he lived and taught at Brockwood Park School in England. He has an MA in Mechanical Engineering and worked as a design engineer in the field of camera systems and musical instruments. Together, they attempt to look at education through a wider angle: developing one’s full potential in and out of the classroom, as well as the challenges they face in education. You can also view this episode on YouTube.
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The Immeasurable Podcast is highlighting a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 5: The Ground of Being and the Mind of Humanity
Series: The Ending of Time
*Why is having ideas become so important?
What is the difference between a religious mind and a philosophic mind?
What is the human mind’s relationship to the ground?
Why has man accumulated knowledge?
When you love somebody there is no ‘me’, it is love. In the same way, when I say I am humanity, it is so. It is not an idea, it is not a conclusion, it is part of me.*For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
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J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 4: Breaking the Pattern of Ego-centred Activity
Series: The Ending of Time
*What will make a human being change, deeply, fundamentally, radically?
Will I, as a human being, give up my egocentric activity completely?
The more knowledge I have acquired, as I have evolved, as I have grown, as I have experienced, it has strengthened me, and I have been walking on that path for millennia. Perhaps I may have to look at this problem totally differently - which is not to walk on that path at all; discard all knowledge I have acquired.
Explanations have been the boat on which to cross to the other shore. The man on the other shore says there is no boat. Cross!
What happens to me when I meet something that is completely solid, immovable, absolutely true?
Psychological knowledge has made us dull.*
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Welcome to The Immeasurable Podcast. The following episode is an exploration with Leah Luong and Jackie McInley and was recorded in Ojai at Pine Cottage, Krishnamurti’s former residence. The episode is titled after the book Beyond Violence.Krishnamurti said, “We have built a society which is violent and we as human beings are violent; the environment, the culture we live in, is the product of our endeavor, of our struggle, of our pain, of our appalling brutalities. So the most important question is: is it possible to end this tremendous violence within oneself?” While Jackie and Leah discuss this possibility together, they are by no means experts and this dialogue is an attempt to discover it as if for the first time. You can also view this episode on YouTube.
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The Immeasurable Podcast is highlighting a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Please go to kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 3: Why Has Man Given Supreme Importance to Thought?
Series: The Ending of Time
*Q: Is the 'ground' indifferent to mankind, as the physical universe appears to be?
How does one find out if there is something more than merely the physical?
Q: Why is it that theories are necessary and useful in organizing facts about matter outwardly, and yet inwardly, psychologically they are in the way, of no use at all?
Seeking security for myself, for my family, for my group, and for my tribe, has brought about division.
Why has man given importance to thought as the supreme thing?
If I accept I am irrational completely, I am rational.*
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. I’m Leah Luong and this episode is a talk given by David Edmund Moody during the 2018 Annual May Gathering. David was the first teacher hired when Krishnamurti founded the Oak Grove School in Ojai, California, in 1975. He subsequently served as educational director of the school, which was the position he held at the time of Krishnamurti’s death in 1986. He is the author of three books about Krishnamurti. His most recent book is titled Krishnamurti in America: New Perspectives on the Man and his Message (Alpha Centauri Press, 2020).
David’s talk is called Conflict in Relationship: Krishnamurti's View. He raises questions such as, “Can thought be aware of its own limitations?” and “If you have no relationship with nature, how can you have relationship with human beings?” His talk centers around understanding the sources of conflict in human relationship, what it means to be related, and exploring the nature and meaning of thought.
I hope you enjoy it.
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J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - 2: Cleansing the Mind of the Accumulation of Time
Series: The Ending of Time
*Time is the enemy of man.
Is there a beginning which is not enmeshed in time?
We said nothingness is everything and so it is total energy. It is undiluted pure, uncorrupted energy. Is there something beyond that?
Has man ever been free from the ‘I’?
That emptiness can only exist when there is death of the particular.*
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Welcome to The Immeasurable Podcast, this episode is a talk by Cory Fisher given during the annual May Gathering in 2019. Cory Fisher has been involved with the Krishnamurti Foundation of America since 2013, when he was among the first generations of Residential Students/Scholars at the Krishnamurti Center in Ojai, California. He now serves as the Director of Publications and Archives at the Krishnamurti Foundation of America.
His talk Freedom from the Known: the Krishnamurti Perspective features a conversation between Krishnamurti and theoretical physicist David Bohm as well as a dialogue between Krishnamurti and Alaine Naudé. In this talk, Cory delves into what Krishnamurti means by “freedom from the known”, exploring Krishnamurti’s themes around consciousness, time, freedom, and knowledge. I hope you enjoy it.
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The Immeasurable Podcast is highlighting a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Please go to kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - 1: The Roots of Psychological Conflict
Series: The Ending of Time
*Has humanity taken a wrong turn?
What is the root of this tremendous inward conflict of humanity?
When I am trying to become something it is a constant battle.
Can the brain itself see that it is caught in time and as long as it is moving in that direction conflict is eternal, endless?
Can the mind realize, resolve a psychological problem immediately?
Has mankind journeyed through millennia to come to this: that I am nothing and therefore I am everything and all energy?*
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Welcome back to another season of the Immeasurable Podcast. You’re listening to an interview with Lobsang Tenzin, also known as the fifth Samdhong Rinpoche. He is a Tibetan Buddhist teacher and philosopher who has lived in Dharamsala, India since 1959 when he fled Tibet. He is the spiritual advisor to the Dalai Lama. In addition, he served as the Prime Minister of the cabinet of the Central Tibetan Administration and was the director of the Central Institute of Higher Tibetan Studies in Varanasi, India. He also served as a trustee of the Krishnamurti Foundation in India for several decades. In this interview, Rinpoche discusses his understanding of Krishnamurti's teachings and Buddhist teachings, as well as Krishnamurti's role as a “teacher.”
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast.
This episode is a 1980’s interview with Laura Huxley. Laura was a musician, author, psychotherapist, and lecturer who met Krishnamurti at the home of yoga instructor, Vanda Scaravelli. She was married to author and philosopher Aldous Huxley, who was a close friend of Krishnamurti. Laura Huxley is known for a discussion she had with Krishnamurti in which he said that “people who try to help others are a curse.” She talks about that exchange in this interview, and you may find what Krishnamurti has to say about it to be both surprising and interesting. Huxley is interviewed by Michael Mendizza and Leah has re-narrated his questions for better audio quality. We hope you enjoy it.
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J. Krishnamurti — Saanen 1977 - Extract from Public Discussion 2
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is a talk from a previous Annual May Gathering. It's called “Freedom From Conditioning" by Professor Krishna.
Professor Krishna was born in Chennai (south India) but grew up in Indore (central India) where his parents were educationists. He first met and heard Krishnamurti in 1957-58 and continued to listen to Krishnamurti during his visits to the education center in Rajghat, Varanasi. He was a Professor of Physics at the Banaras Hindu University when in 1985 Krishnamurti asked him to take charge of the Rajghat Education Centre as its Rector and Principal of the Rajghat Besant School. He worked in this capacity until 2003 and has since been in charge of the Krishnamurti Study Centre at Rajghat. He has lectured all over the world on Krishnamurti’s teachings, science, society, and education. In 2015 he wrote a memoir entitled, A Jewel on a Silver Platter: Remembering J.Krishnamurti
- The first requirement to learning, according to Krishnamurti (00:53)
- What is conditioning? What do we mean by freedom from conditioning? (2:55)
- Is all conditioning a problem? (6:30)
- What do negative emotions mean? (9:32)
- Why do we believe in illusions? (10:04)
- When the false ends (11:50)
- What would it mean to examine oneself? (12:25)
- Why is it important to examine the self? (13:40)
- Can thought perceive what is true? (17:12)
- Professor Krishna on belief, truth, and illusion (23:34)
- The root problem of division among human beings (25:32)
- The ego (28:00)
- Watching consciousness in the mirror of relationship (29:30)
- The role thought plays in the quest for truth (30:10)
- Does one eliminate conditioning? (34:45)
- What is one seeking? (39:10)
- Why the management of ego doesn't solve any problem (42:43)
- Perception is real action (45:20)
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J. Krishnamurti — Brockwood Park 1981 – Public Talk 3 – What Happens if I Don't End all the Content of my Consciousness?
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast.Evelyne Blau (narrated by Leah Luong) interviews Alan Hooker, a former cook for Krishnamurti. The late restauranteur moved to Ojai in 1949 because of his interest in the teachings, and to help prepare food for the Ojai campus. He was also a former trustee of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America. He is asked a series of questions about his experience with Krishnamurti in this 1987 interview. Leah has re-narrated Evelyne’s questions for better audio clarity. We hope you enjoy it.
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast.
This episode centers around the topic, What Prevents Change?
J. Krishnamurti with David Bohm, Asit Chandmal, and P. Krishna. - Brockwood Park 1977
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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is a recording from this year’s Online May Gathering, a talk given by David Moody called “The Paradox of Change," followed by a Q&A with Karen Hesli, Nandini Patnaik, and David Moody.
David Edmund Moody, Ph.D., is the author of three books about Krishnamurti. His most recent book is Krishnamurti in America: New Perspectives on the Man and his Message. This book represents a full-scale biography of Krishnamurti’s life, with special attention to the events in America that have not been covered well in previous biographies.
Moody was the first teacher hired when Krishnamurti founded the Oak Grove School in Ojai, California, in 1975. He subsequently served as educational director of the school, and as director, the position he held at the time of Krishnamurti’s death in 1986. He later took his Ph.D. in science education (UCLA, 1991) with a focus on student misconceptions in the study of biological evolution.
- Krishnamurti's view on how we deal with problems (3:38)
- Seeing the danger of thought (4:06)
- What did Krishnamurti have to say about time? (5:23)
- Did humanity take a wrong turn? (6:28)
- What is the "ending of time?" (8:00)
- Why the paradox of change goes right into the heart of Krishnamurti's philosophy (11:20)
- Three reasons why the process of becoming is problematic (12:108)
- The difference between chronological time and psychological time (12:35)
- David describes the psychological self (17:55)
- Image-making: how it relates to the process of becoming and generating inner conflict (22:37)
- Genuine, authentic change that is free of time and image (25:46)
- What is the nature and meaning of transformation? (26:32)
- The negative approach (28:56)
- Transformation isn't something that you do, it's something you see (30:47)
- Illusion and insight (31:49)
- What does psychological revolution entail? (39:00)
- David reads an excerpt from “The Urgency of Change” book (43:21)
- Karen introduces Q&A panel (47:00)
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The Immeasurable Podcast is highlighting the four part series from Ojai in 1982 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Rupert Sheldrake, David Bohm and John Hidley about the nature of the mind. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Please go to kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1982 - Discussion with Scientists 4 - What is a healthy mind?
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Jaap Sluijter interviews James "Jim" Lee Dixon about the time he spent with J. Krishnamurti. Jim Dixon was a renowned carpet and art collector, master gardener, friend of the Foundation and prior owner/donor of the Occidental, California property which will now become a Krishnamurti Center. Jim attended many of Krishnamurti's talks and found the work of K to be the most important project to support with his estate.
Jim will be missed dearly, but his passion for the teachings, and the perfume of love he left behind, will remain alive and well in Occidental, California and beyond.
In remembrance of James Lee Dixon, August 26th 1943-March 23rd 2020
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J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1982 - Discussion with Scientists 3 - The need for security
Summary:
Why do we want security?
Am I separate from the agony I go through?
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Jaap Sluijter and Henry Fischer join Rupert Spira once again to look at the questions posed by J. Krishnamurti's teachings. See more interviews and explorations like this one at theimmeasurable.org.
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J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1982 - Discussion with Scientists 2 - Psychological Suffering
Summary:
What is security?
I have an image about myself. I am a great cook, a great scientist, a great carpenter, whatever you will. I have got that picture in myself and you come along and put a pin into it. And that gets hurt, the image gets hurt. The image is me.
What is a human being?
You are not basically different from me. You may be tall, you may be born in England, I may be born in Africa, I have dark skin, but deep down, the river, the content of the river is the water. The river is not an Asiatic river or European river, it is a river.
Love is not English, American or Indian. Agony is not yours or mine, it is agony. But we identify ourselves with agony - it is my agony, which is not yours. Why do we want to identify with something?
Is there a learning about oneself which is not constant accumulation about myself?
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Gianni Garubo interviews Michael Krohnen, author of The Kitchen Chronicles: 1001 Lunches with J. Krishnamurti and librarian at the Krishnamurti Center in Ojai, California, about Krohnen's long history and personal relationship with J. Krishnamurti.
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J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1982 - Discussion with Scientists 1 - Roots of psychological disorder
Q: What is the source of psychological disorder?
A: Is not the self the beginning of all disorder?
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Dr. Gabor Maté, renowned speaker and best seller author, well known for his work in childhood development, stress and trauma is interviewed by Francisco Mazza, director of development at Krishnamurti Center in Ojai, California. Francisco is joined by Jaap Sluijter, executive director of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America.
In the following podcast, the relationship between Gabor Maté's work, the teachings of J. Krishnamurti and the challenges facing present day society, are explored in depth.
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To register for Jackie McInley's upcoming ONLINE program click on this link: An Exploration of Hurt in Our Lives (April 19th-23rd, 2021) from the Krishnamurti Foundation of America.
In the following podcast, Jackie McInley explores the nature of dialogue with Henry Fischer. This is part of an on-going series looking at the habitual ways we approach any topic with another person. Do we freely listen or do we bring beliefs and conclusions to our conversations and react from them? Are we more mechanical than we realize?
Some topics in this series include: What is dialogue, what makes it different? What does it mean to relate to someone directly? Is there a "psychological wound" which is commonly avoided? Can we see the movement of thought without any psychological separation from it?
As we continue to meet this mechanical process through direct observation and ask penetrating questions without relating to them from memory, do we begin to knock at the door of the what Krishnamurti calls "the immeasurable"?
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In the following episode of The Immeasurable Podcast, we interview Rupert Spira.
Rupert Spira is a well known author and public speaker in the non-dual contemplative tradition. He has written many books including Being Aware of Being Aware, The Nature of Consciousness and The Ashes of Love. For more on Rupert's work click here.
In this episode, Jaap Sluijter and Henry Fischer explore Rupert's work and how it directly relates to the teachings of J. Krishnamurti:
- Introduction by Henry Fischer :25
- Rupert Spira on his early experience with J. Krishnamurti 1:05
- Jaap Sluijter talks about Rupert's podcast with Sam Harris and a focus on semantics and perennial questions 2:25
- Jaap asks about emotionality in the sense of "wanting to find comfort in a true self" 4:41
- Rupert talks about the search for happiness not being a trap but instead a clue to who we really are 7:10
- Jaap responds and says Krishnamurti says that, 'as long as there is still conflict the "other" doesn't come into being' 8:52
- Rupert says, "that which truly IS never comes into being" 10:29
- Jaap asks, "how do you approach that?" and "wouldn't the mind have to be free to come in contact with this?" 11:35
- Rupert gives an analogy of John Smith and King Lear to illustrate what he is saying 12:00
- Jaap asks about self-recognition or remembering oneself and how it is different from "remembering" where you put your shoes 16:40
- Rupert explains that this remembering is vertical (going within) and not along the horizontal plane of memory 17:15
- Jaap goes back to emotionality and wonders if there is this desire for one's "true self" which may be a kind of illusion and not an actual reality 18:28
- Rupert says there is something more beautiful prior to all the seeking and that who we are is prior to any kind of seeking 19:38
- Jaap asks, "does truth come into being via positiva or via negativa?" 21:00
- Rupert says all that is required is the removal of ignoring what we truly are and Rupert says this is what Krishnamurti meant when he said, "the removal of fear" 21:48
- Jaap again asks if this comes from removing the false or if it is instead important to try to see what is true 22:27
- Rupert says they are two different ways of looking at the same thing 23:22
- Jaap asks "how do we know it is true" 25:52
- Rupert says "all illusions have a reality to them" 27:00
- Jaap says Krishnamurti says "it's only when you don't seek a way out you see the suffering fully" 31:51
- Rupert agrees and asks if we were instead to turn and face the suffering, what would the experience of accepting suffering feel like? 32:27
- Henry points out the difficulty with turning toward something without motive 33:14
- Rupert asks us to do the experiment of turning toward suffering with no escape and says the common word for it is "happiness" 33:28
- Henry brings the King Lear analogy back up and asks if in this recognition of our true nature is mediated by the senses at all 35:55
- Rupert says his use of the word "knowing" has nothing to do with conceptual knowledge but instead he uses interchangeably with awareness 37:35
- Jaap doubts this sense "I am" because he says it has continuity 41:36
- Rupert responds and asks what is the reality of the illusion of continuity in your experience? 42:21
- Jaap asks if the "desire to be" might bring about this continuity 43:13
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J. Krishnamurti & Swami Venkatesananda – Saanen 1969 – Dialogue 2 – Can one experience the infinite?
Why do we always attach ourselves to something which we suppose to be the highest?
We use the word ‘experience’ very easily. Can we experience the feeling of supreme ecstasy? Can we experience the infinite?
Can the mind which is conditioned, prejudiced and frightened experience the highest?
When fear and conditioning cease, is there experiencing of the highest at all?
If the entity which is fear and anxiety has dissolved its fear, what is there to experience?
What is the purpose of experience? Is there the need of experience at all?
Being in a state in which there is no peace, we want to experience a state of absolute, permanent, eternal peace.
If the mind can free itself from agony then what is the need to ask for an experience of the supreme?
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Season two begins with a discussion between Jaap Sluijter, Francisco Mazza and Henry Fischer about the unique challenges in producing The Immeasurable Podcast. Topics include:
- What makes this podcast different from the standard interview format?
- What are we trying to accomplish?
- Why are we including new content with people who aren't Krishnamurti? Why don't we just include K talks alone on our podcast channel?
- How does this related to the work of The Immeasurable and KFA (or K center)?
- Why are we interviewing people who are teachers and even considered by some as gurus?
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J. Krishnamurti, Peter Fonda, Theo Lilliefelt, Alain Naudé, Tom Shea, Craig Walker, S. Lloyd Williams, and others participate in a small group discussion in Malibu, California, 1970.
This is the seventh discussion in an eight part series titled Can the Mind Observe Without Comparison?
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In the following episode of The Immeasurable Podcast, we interview Byron Katie.
Byron Katie is a well-known author and teacher. TIME describes her as "a spiritual innovator for the 21st century." For more information on Byron Katie and "The Work", click here.
In this episode, Jaap Sluijter and Leah Luong explore Byron Katie's work and how it relates to the teachings of J. Krishnamurti:
- Introduction by Jaap Sluijter (:25)
- Jaap introduces a new book, Unconditionally Free (2:06)
- Byron Katie says this mission, "to set mankind unconditionally free" is the mission of all human beings (3:07)
- Katie says an open mind is a questioned mind (4:40)
- Katie talks about "loving what is" and points to inquiry as essential to this natural discovery (5:50)
- Leah Luong asks Katie about attachment (6:57)
- Leah asks about what insight means in particular to Katie's life experience (8:47)
- Katie talks about a transformational insight in her past (9:51)
- Jaap continues to ask about Katie's transformational insight (13:59)
- Katie describes "The Work" briefly (23:47)
- Leah asks about specific aspects of "The Work" (26:31)
- Katie goes on to talk about the nature of images and love (29:36)
- Jaap asks Katie about calming the suffering vs. ending suffering and introduces time is the enemy of man" a quote from J. Krishnamurti and invites Katie to comment (31: 43)
- Katie says Krishnamurti is pointing to the fact that time is an illusion (32:58)
- Leah asks about negation, doubt, time, and concepts (37:26)
- Katie talks about guilt and love and says our true nature can't be controlled (40:03)
- Katie talks about "first-generation thinking" (43:35)
- Jaap mentions Katie's line in Loving What Is "I was being thought" and asks her what that means (46:26)
- Jaap, Leah, and Katie say their goodbyes (48:05)
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J. Krishnamurti, Peter Fonda, Theo Lilliefelt, Alain Naudé, Tom Shea, Craig Walker, S. Lloyd Williams, and others participate in a small group discussion in Malibu, California, 1970.
This is the seventh discussion in an eight part series titled Can the Mind Observe Without Comparison?
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In the following episode of The Immeasurable Podcast, we interview Rupert Sheldrake.
Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biology as a Fellow of Clare College. In 1982 J. Krishnamurti, David Bohm, John Hidley and Rupert Sheldrake came together to discuss the roots of psychological disorder, psychological suffering, the need for security and what is a healthy mind, given in four parts.
In this episode, Jaap and Gianni explore Rupert's work.
- Gianni Garubo introduces Jaap Sluijter and welcomes Rupert Sheldrake. (:26)
- Jaap asks Rupert about his recorded talk with J. Krishnamurti in 1982. (1:35)
- Rupert calls Krishnamurti a "spiritual anarchist". (4:50)
- Jaap asks Rupert about "human potential" and how it relates to authority. (9:43)
- Rupert talks about his relationship with Krishnamurti. (14:35)
- Gianni asks Rupert about "Morphic Resonance". (20:10)
- Jaap asks Rupert what the responsible action is for humanity to take to move in a new direction. (29:20)
To find out more about his work visit: sheldrake.org
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In the following episode of The Immeasurable Podcast, we interview Charles Eisenstein.
Charles Eisenstein is an American public speaker and author. His work covers a wide range of topics, including the history of human civilization, economics, spirituality, and the ecology movement.
In this episode, Jaap and Gianni explore Charles’ unique perspective on the impediments humans face, conflict, safety and security, and relationship. In just a little over an hour, the trio create a conversation that shines a light on this real moment of reflection.
- The driver behind Charles’ mission and why he contributes to the world. (4:18)
- Gianni comments on what gets in the way of observation and the reason why the mind is prevented from clear seeing. (13:13)
- How the light of awareness removes impediments and barriers… and opens up possibilities. (17:39)
- Charles explains why our impediments and conditioning exists, why they are useful, and what happens when we notice their confining nature. (19:04)
- How Coronavirus has revealed the paradox of fear and fragility in the West… and how a psychologically weak population jumps to hysteria. (24:01)
- What it means to be safe in the world and the mechanism behind problems like war. (25:10)
- Charles describes how and why society summoned a crisis like Coronavirus. (29:14)
- How warlike were pre-civilized cultures exactly? (32:44)
- How the lack of important relationships creates more consequences than just isolation (hint: it’s the condition of modern society). (35:30)
- What the things we condemn teach us about connection. (37:27)
- Charles details how we can transcend hostility towards one another and create a new global story—one that meaningfully tells us who we are, why we’re here, and what our part is. (45:29)
- Competition: how it helps us and how it hurts us. (49:20)
- What will happen next if we don’t listen to what this pandemic is trying to teach us. (58:30)
To find out more about his work visit: charleseisenstein.org
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J. Krishnamurti, Peter Fonda, Theo Lilliefelt, Alain Naudé, Tom Shea, Craig Walker, S. Lloyd Williams, and others participate in a small group discussion in Malibu, California, 1970.
This is the sixth discussion in an eight part series titled Can the Mind Observe Without Comparison?
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In the following episode Mark Lee, author of Knocking on the Open Door, interviews Ravi Narsipur about the childhood years he spent with J. Krishnamurti.
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In the spirit of J. Krishnamurti's teachings, Francisco Mazza and Henry Fischer consider what it means to explore something together. This conversation occurred in Pine Cottage in Ojai, California in July, 2020. The opinions and observations shared are their own.
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J. Krishnamurti, Peter Fonda, Theo Lilliefelt, Alain Naudé, Tom Shea, Craig Walker, S. Lloyd Williams, and others participate in a small group discussion in Malibu, California, 1970.
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In the following episode Mark Lee, author of Knocking on the Open Door, interviews Chandramouli Narsipur about the many years he spent with J. Krishnamurti.
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J. Krishnamurti, Peter Fonda, Theo Lilliefelt, Alain Naudé, Tom Shea, Craig Walker, S. Lloyd Williams, and others participate in a small group discussion in Malibu, California, 1970.
This is the fourth discussion in an eight part series titled Can the Mind Observe Without Comparison?
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In the following episode of The Immeasurable Podcast, resident students and volunteers at the Krishnamurti Foundation of America explore Krishnamurti's teachings in a modern context. How do the teachings relate to gender, race and identity in our lives today? Can we approach this topic in a fresh way, without past knowledge, as if exploring it for the first time in this very moment?
Tina Xi, Amanda Andersen, Darrell Mitchell and Henry Fischer engage in a spirited dialogue around these topics.
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J. Krishnamurti, Peter Fonda, Theo Lilliefelt, Alain Naudé, Tom Shea, Craig Walker, S. Lloyd Williams, and others participate in a small group discussion in Malibu, California, 1970.
This is the third discussion in an eight part series titled Can the Mind Observe Without Comparison?
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Cory Fisher, Mary Kelley, John Duncan, and Jackie Mc Inley continue to explore Krishnamurti's Core of the Teachings. This dialogue took place in the Pine Cottage Library at the Krishnamurti Center in Ojai, California. It is the second (and for now) final part in their dialogue series together.
Cory Fisher will be a presenter at the May Gathering 2020 which will be streaming online on May 2-3. Please sign up to receive a free link.
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The Immeasurable Podcast series continues with author Dr. David Edmund Moody presenting his new book, Krishnamurti in America, in an interview conducted by Craig Walker.
Dr. Moody was the former director of the Oak Grove School founded by J. Krishnamurti and is also the author of The Unconditioned Mind: J. Krishnamurti and the Oak Grove School and An Uncommon Collaboration: David Bohm and J. Krishnamurti.
Dr. Moody will be speaking at the annual May Gathering (May 2-3) which will be streamed live. To register for this free event and receive streaming details please visit: kfa.org/gathering
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J. Krishnamurti, Peter Fonda, Theo Lilliefelt, Alain Naudé, Tom Shea, Craig Walker, S. Lloyd Williams, and others participate in a small group discussion in Malibu, California, 1970.
This is the second discussion in an eight part series titled Can the Mind Observe Without Comparison?
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Jaap Sluijter, Cory Fisher and Francisco Mazza explore Krishnamurti's writing on "Individual and Society" in preparation for our upcoming annual conference. This conference was postponed but these subjects may be part of our online May Gathering, May 2nd-3rd, 2020. Go to www.kfa.org for details during the middle of April.
Topics explored in the following podcast:
Is there really a difference between society and the individual?
Does a fundamental change in the individual change society?
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In the following episode Jaap Sluijter, Executive Director of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America, introduces M. V. Prasad and Mark Lee. Mark Lee, author of Knocking on the Open Door, interviews M. V. Prasad, former head of the Rishi Valley School in India, about the many years he spent with J. Krishnamurti.
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J. Krishnamurti, Peter Fonda, Theo Lilliefelt, Alain Naudé, Tom Shea, Craig Walker, S. Lloyd Williams, and others participate in a small group discussion in Malibu, California, 1970.
This is the first discussion in an eight part series titled Can the Mind Observe Without Comparison?
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Welcome to The Immeasurable Podcast produced at the Krishnamurti Center in Ojai, California.
The following episode is a dialogue between Mary Kelley, John Duncan, Jackie Mc Inley and Cory Fisher on the core of Krishnamurti's teachings. The dialogue took place in Pine Cottage Library at the Krishnamurti Center in Ojai, California. To be a part of dialogues like this one, please visit us at The Krishnamurti Center in Ojai. For more information go to kfa.org
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