The Rugby Wrap: Recent Episodes
Mitch Hardy, Heath Tessmann and Mick Colliss
In our final podcast for 2024, we catch up with Classic Wallaby Matt Cockbain to chat the Classics, coaching pathways and where he sees the Wallabies. Plus a big mail bag. Huge thanks to Leap Strategies and all our listeners for your support.
EARLY RELEASE. This week we catch up with the Super Rugby Commissioner, Carolyn Turnbull, to talk about the structure for next year, the future of Super Rugby and the effort WA has made to secure big rugby events for Perth.
The good news is, we talk about a cracking RugbyWA grand final. The bad news is, we also talk about the Wallabies.
While Heath Tessmann suns himself on a beach at Coral Bay, Mick Colliss and Mitch Hardy look at the recent internationals, the local grand finals and the winners at the RugbyWA awards breakfast.
After a break, two of us are back to just shoot the breeze, talk a bit of Wallabies and have a look at the local scene. Bar room rugby chat.
In this week's episode we shoot the breeze about a possible Wallabies line up and hint at another salacious rumour in the mailbag. (Apologies for some of the sound issues.)
In this week's ep we shoot the breeze about a possible Wallabies line up and hint at another salacious rumour in the mailbag. (Apologies for some of the sound issues.)
Great to catch up with fan favourite Ian Prior to chat about the Force and his recent international appearance with Zimbabwe. What a champion. Plus the rumours fly thick and fast in the mailbag.
We wrap up of the internationals, look at club rugby and ponder the ramifications if the Brumbies play some games in Melbourne. With thanks again to our sponsor, Leap Strategies.
Simon Cron, Western Force coach, joins us to review the 2024 season and explain what needs to happen for next year. Plus we spread a salacious rumour about Super Round and present the Rugby Wrap Annual Awards.
A quick review of the semis, a quick preview of the Final and some good chat in the mail bag about certain players being sent to the Sevens program.
This is good ep, if I do say so myself. RA Chairman Daniel Herbert talks through the Rebels, the financial situation and what the board is focusing on for the next 6 months. We shoot the breeze about the 7s, and Mitch and Heath pick their Test teams. Its a long one, so good if you're stuck in traffic.
We shoot the breeze with Western Force Wallaroo Sammy Wood and take a look at the final round of Super Rugby.
DC gone, NZRU splintering, Ronan Leahy to debut for the Force. We missed them all because we had to record early. We also missed Heath Tessmann.
Fergus Lee-Warner and the Liquidators sounds like the name of a band, but it's our two guests this week as we look at the Rebels situation and catch up with one of the former Western Force stars now playing for the Tahs.
We catch up with the coach of the Perth Rams as they get ready to head to Rome for the Bingham Cup. Plus some interesting thoughts from Mitch on the whole academy system.
This was the best podcast in our five year history. Witty, fast paced, intelligent analysis, informed opinion. Except I forgot to hit 'record' at the start. So here's a one man summary.
We review and preview Super Rugby and answer the question: Should the Wallabies play the All Blacks on Anzac Day. Plus some interesting stats about the number of players progressing from the Under 20s to the Wallabies.
A Rugby Wrap 'two for one special'. We chat with Wallaby great Jeremy Paul to hear his thoughts on Australian rugby and preview the Western Force SuperW semi final with coach Dylan Parsons. You might need to take the long route to work for this one.
We had to record this one early so speculated about Drua suspensions and missed the dropping of Marky Mark, but we did cover Kurtley's signing with the Force. Plus the usual carry on.
We channel the great Cameron Shepherd as we review and preview the Super Rugby competition, and Mitch Hardy puts on his conspiracy theory hat to announce the new Waratahs coach.
Former RA board member Geoff Stooke discusses the recently released 'Supporters of Australian Rugby Reform' paper. Plenty of points to digest. Plus we wrap up Round 5 of Super Rugby.
This week, we do what no sane person would do - we re-live the Force's game against Moana Pasifika. It was too distressing for Heath Tessmann to even consider, so he stayed away.
With the Super W starting this week, we catch up with Western Force Wallaroo Michaela Leonard to chat about the women's program at the Force, why it's attracting players from all over the world, and who the smokey is to win the comp. Plus the Mail Bag and Heath Tessmann.
Odd that Heath Tessmann can't make his own podcast but the CEO of the Western Force can get there early. Great to hear Niamh O'Connor's thoughts about the Force, where things are at, and what needs to be done to restore people's love of rugby.
Great to catch up with Melbourne Rebels GM and former Wallaby, Nick Stiles, to talk a bit of rugby. Plus a review of Super Rugby Round 1 with special guest, Heath Tessmann.
We kick off season 5 with Western Force coach Simon Cron; an absent Heath Tessmann; and a new sponsor in leapstrategies.com.au Simon speaks about the Force's strengths and weaknesses, how he'll judge the season, and some of the positives in the West.
In this first and final episode of our Summer Edition series, we catch up with Aussie 7s star, Isabella Nasser, to get her thoughts on the Perth Sevens and what's in store in the lead up to Paris. Season 5 of the Rugby Wrap winter edition with MItch Hardy, Heath Tessmann and a brand new sponsor, launches Thursday February 22.
In the final episode for 2023, we record early to review the RWC, chat about Eddie and ask 'where to from here?' Wallaby #735 Mitch Hardy proposes a very interesting way to choose the next coach and we give the mail bag one last run.
We put down the Aperol Spritz and Baguettes just long enough to share our thoughts on the World Cup, the Wallabies and the potential winners. Recorded live in Bordeaux.
This week, Wallaroo Michaela Leondard expands on the recent social media post highlighting the inequality between Australia's senior men's and women's teams, plus we look at the RWC warm up matches and the club Grand Finals. Plenty to get your teeth into.
A very honest chat with Daniel Herbert, wallaby #715 and RA board member. Hear his views on why the current system is broken, the need for centralisation, and his thoughts on the infamous third tier. Plus Mitch questions the timing of the Australia A game v Portugal. A bumper episode.
It seems everyone has an opinion on the Wallabies. We're no different. Plenty of good stuff and plenty of questions as well.
A new competition structure for rugby in Perth has been proposed. Rugby WA President John Welborn explains. (Apologies for the poor sound. You think we'd have it right after more than 100 episodes, but sometimes it just doesn't happen.)
A quick review of the Super Rugby Pacific final and a look at the Wallabies squad. Plus the airing of some gripes. Really, it's bit of everything except Mitch Hardy.
If you sometimes forget the true meaning of 'grassroots', have a listen to Dean McKee from Wests-Scarborough RUFC. A great man who loves club rugby.
Out of 10, what score would you give the Western Force's 2023 season? See how you compare with coach Simon Cron, as he chats through the year that was and discusses what they'll build on for 2024.
Great to have former Wallaroo Bec Clough pop in for a chat about all things rugby. Nice to have Heath Tessmann pop in, too.
Join us as we catch up with special guests Carlo Tizzano from the Western Force and Heath Tessmann from The Rugby Wrap.
This week we celebrate our 101st episode by jumping on the Hunter Wildfires bandwagon and catching up with coach Scott Coleman. A great rugby man. Plus the mailbag and some other juicy bits.
In this, our 100th episode (which we only realised once we finished), we look at the 96 week banning for referee assault and Mitch Hardy shares his opinion of Reece Tarpine's premature celebration.
Heath Tessmann thinks all his Christmases have come at once as we catch up with Western Force forwards coach, Jimmy Duffy, to breakdown the set piece. Mitch Hardy pretends he knows what they're talking about then Mick has a rant in the mailbag. Not a bad ep.
New Rugby WA CEO Simon Taylor talks about rugby in the West. He's a good get.
Plus the usual stuff we do when Heath Tessmann doesn't make it.
Every wondered what an elite athlete like Heath Tessmann does before a big game? Tune in to find out as we take a light hearted look at the week in rugby.
Rising star Jeremy Williams talks about life at the Western Force and settles the argument about whose fault it is when the lineout goes awry. (Without spoiling the surprise, let me just say Heath Tessmann disagrees.) Unfortunately Lachie Swinton's 7 week ban hadn't been announced when we recorded or we would have gone in much harder.
We catch up with Western Force star Martha Mataele to talk about her team's first win in SuperW since 2019 and we question some of the decisions rugby makes about scheduling. Thanks to Mitch for dragging himself out of his sick bed! #toughwinger
Former Wallaby Tim Horan dissects the first Wallabies squad and we raise the topic of the mid season draft. Is the timing right?
This week's guest, Wallaroo and Western Force Super W player Michaela Leonard, is so eloquent she makes us sound like English is our second language. Great to hear her enthusiasm for the game and the Force program. Plus we touch on the leaguie who's just signed with rugby. All technical glitches and internet drop outs thanks to my new upgraded iPrimus plan.
Really interesting chat with Super Rugby referee Graham Cooper, who talks about refereeing the breakdown, when a head clash warrants a card and what he looks for when awarding scrum penalties. A real good listen. Plus the mailbag and another shameless plug for our rugby world cup tour.
Great to catch up with Jeremy Thrush to talk Western Force and the local club comp in WA. In between, Mitch experiences a fire alarm, we talk about the new tackle rule and we dive into the mailbag.
Interestingly, the number of minutes this podcast goes for is less than the points differential between the Reds and the Force. It's been a tough week all round.
Great to catch up with Western Force centre Hamish Stewart to chat about the win over the Rebels and to preview this week's match against the Reds. Plus the mailbag and another blatant plug for the Rugby Wrap's Rugby World Cup Tour. (All the details at rugbyworldcuptour.com)
We catch up with new Western Force captain, Michael Wells, to chat about the season ahead, why he came to the Force and why the Chicago Bulls could be playing a role. Plus a monster mailbag. It's good to be back!
We catch up with former Kalamunda Bull, Matt Durrant, the man behind 'Gold Digger - The search for Australian rugby', which airs on Fox Doccos straight after the Bledisloe, which we also talk about. Plus we wrap the Rugby WA grand final and dive into the mailbag. (This is one of those episodes where, the moment you finish, you think of all the things you forgot to talk about.)
We catch up with UWA's Jack Bromley and Wests' Josh Tinomana as we preview this weekend's grandfinal. We find out what happened to Tess's leg and then cover a number of topics in the mailbag that warrant far more time than we gave them.
Great to catch up with Rugby South Australia CEO, Carl Jones, on the eve of the Wallabies test at Adelaide Oval to talk about the state of the game in that part of the world. Plus Heath Tessmann talks about the scrum clock and we dive into the mail bag.
Former UWA player, Wallaby and RugbyWA President, John Welborn, talks about the new competition structure for 2023. Plus the mailbag and other consistencies, like Heath Tessmann being absent.
With no Wallabies games to review or preview, we shoot the breeze about some other issues in rugby, talk about Heath Tessmann's try for Nedlands, and talk up Scott Tolmie, the super sub from Soaks.
Heath Tessmann comes out of his trailer to join Mitch and Mick for an express Rugby Wrap, where we look at the Wallaby v England series after two games and ponder the ramifications of this weekend's round of matches in the Fortescue Premier Grade competition.
Two-thirds of the Rugby Wrap team review the first test, preview the second and then dive deep into the mailbag to look at new signings for the Force and some other things happening in the world of Australian rugby.
You'd think after nearly 80 episodes we'd be a little more professional. We obviously have a long way to go. In this episode we wrap up Super Rugby, announce our last Hero of the Week and have a surprise special guest in the Mail Bag.
Great to catch up with new Force coach Simon Cron. I think he'll fit in real well. Plus the mailbag and the penultimate round of Hero of the Week, won by Rory Anthony for nominating Roodogs hooker Scotty Cornell - who played his 150th premier grade game against Perth Bayswater. That's 150 consecutive, none missed at all. What a worthy winner.
New RugbyWA President John Welborn talks us through his plans, Mitch and Tess name their Wallaby XV and Huw Tindall wins a beer voucher. What an episode!
For our 75th episode we catch up with Western Force backrower Tim Anstee, rummage through the mail bag and give away some beer. Happy days.
RWC bid director Phil Kearns explains what hosting the sport's biggest event means to Australian rugby and we work through the scenarios on the Super Rugby Pacific ladder.
Former Western Force player Johan Bardoul talks about his transition from professional player to club coach. Plus he shares his thoughts on the Force and what they need to do with their young talent.
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We spoke to one of the founders, Michael Penhaligon from Southern Lions Rugby Club, about how much it means to the players and the Club as a whole. Great story. It's everything that's good about the game.
This week's guest is former Crusaders and All Blacks No.10, Andrew Mehrtens. If that doesn't pique your interest, nothing will.
Former All Black and Western Force half, Alby Mathewson, talks a lot of sense. He highlights his concerns for the game and how ex players should be better utilised. A really good listen. Pus the Mailbag and Hero of the Week thanks to Heroes and Villains.
Absolutely fantastic to sit and chat with Fergus Lee-Warner about the Force and his exclusion from the Wallabies. What a champion fella. Plus the mailbag and Hero of the week. A ripping episode if we do say so ourselves.
It's almost hard to dislike the NSW Waratahs after catching up with their assistant coach, forwards, Pauli Taumoepeau. One of the game's genuine good guys. Plus the Mailbag and the beer voucher.
The Rugby Wrap mini edition. We reflect on how good Heath Tessmann looked on Stan Sport wearing his black polo and talk about the goings on in the world of rugby.
You'd think we recorded at a library, not a brewery, so you may have to crank the volume to hear Cottesloe's triple premiership-winning coach, Jono Owens; UWA's Clay Uyen and SuperW rising star Keira Macaskill.
Western Force CEO Tony Lewis talks about the coaching changes at the Force, as well as the departure of Fergus Lee-Warner. Thanks to Peter Vlahos and SENWA for the interview and audio.
We all know rugby needs to focus on the grassroots. But what does that actually mean? Rugby Australia's Michael Flude reveals all and explains how local Clubs can get stronger. Plus the mailbag and news about the Rugby Wrap's upcoming road trip. Get listening!
When you listen to Sam Wykes, you get an understanding of why he was such a popular member of the Western Force. Great to hear what he's been up to, get his thoughts on the Drua and talk about his new role as a rugby commentator. Plus the Mail Bag, the beer give away and the usual 'make it up as we go along'.
If you love your rugby, A Day in Union is your chance to show it. Great to catch up with the founders, Greg Mumm and John Anderson, who are trying to get the conversation about rugby positive again. Plus we review the games, spread some rumours in the Mail Bag and notice how Mitch Hardy is taking a leaf out of Heath Tessmann in the wardrobe department.
Western Force skipper Feleti Kaitu'u talks up the culture at the club and tells us what he's brought back from his time at the Wallabies. Plus we launch a great new promo in partnership with Heroes and Villains beer. Who will be your hero in this week's round of Super Rugby?
We're back for another year, with Western Force coach Tim Sampson sharing his thoughts on life on the road and the season ahead.
Trileen Pomare, Western Force captain, talks about the upcoming SuperW competition; we review Round 1 of Super Rugby; and discuss Heath Tessmann's choice of singlet.
Join us for the 2021 Rugby Wrap Awards as we farewell the 2021 season. Thanks to everyone for tuning in.
Enthusiasm is the theme for this week, with young Wallaby Angus Bell and Cottesloe veteran Tobias Hoskins just loving their rugby.
Great to catch up with former Wallaby and ACT Brumby, Peter Kimlin as well as Western Force favourite, Jack McGregor, who'll go head to head in the Fortesque Premier Grade Grand Final this weekend. Plus the mail bag, Heath Tessmann and much more.
We take the show on the road and record live at the Rugby Business Network event, with special guest, Olympic Sevens referee Tyler Miller. Apologies for a few minor glitches with the sound.
Wallaby great Tim Horan shares his thoughts on the Bledisloe and the Wrap's own Wallaby great, Mitch Hardy, picks his starting XV for the first test.
Former Wallaby and head of Australia's RWC bid, Phil Kearns, provides an update, reviews the French series and poses the question: who is the better looking hooker, him or Heath Tessmann?
Mitch Hardy and Heath Tessmann throw Mick Colliss under the bus. This is called the 'Scraping the bottom of the barrel' edition. Lucky we had the mailbag to salvage it.
Two blokes talk rugby and share their thoughts on the make up of the Wallaby squad, among other musings.
There was meant to be three but one was missing.
A special, fast paced Origin edition of the rugby wrap. (Which means we had to record it after Origin so it's shorter than usual because it was too late at night to have a guest.)
Great to catch up with CURRENT @USARugby and @westernforce fan favourite Marcel Brache. A great club man. Plus the mailbag and the usual carry on. Apologies for some of the sound issues.
Wallaroo Bec Clough talks about the challenges and joys of women's rugby. Oh, and Heath Tessmann turns up too. Eventually.
FIFO surgical superstar Heath Tessmann joins us for the full hour as we review and preview the Trans Tasman competition and try to pick the Western Force team before it's announced. We had to record early so apologies for the speculation. Who gets it right? @heathtessmann or Mitch Hardy? There's only one way to find out...
QRU Chairman Jeff Miller talks about the rise of Queensland, what Brad Thorn has delivered and who'll captain the Wallabies this year. Plus the mailbag and the usual banter. The only thing missing from this episode is @heathtessmann
Former @AllBlacks No 10 and reigning Quincy Medalist, Andrew Mehrtens, names his favourite players from Super Rugby AU, shares his thoughts on Private Equity and picks a winner in the Super Rugby AU final.
Former All Black Richard Kahui talks up playing at the Western Force, the challenges facing them in the semi and his secret to rocking a pair of Budgie Smugglers. Plus the mailbag and Heath Tessmann dropping the F bomb. What an episode!
Western Force CEO Tony Lewis outlines his plans for the Force and making WA a rugby powerhouse.
Heath Tessmann talks us through his try for Neddies and @UWARugby @NSWWaratahs player Carlo Tizzano talks about his career to date as well as the challenges and positives at the Tahs. He's a ripping young fella.
Brendan Loag previews the Fortesque Premier Grade competition in Perth while Tom Gorman talks about rugby in Geraldton and the midwest. With special guest appearance by Heath Tessmann.
@westernforce coach Tim Sampson gives an honest appraisal of where his team is at and where they need to be better leading into their final games. He also reveals how much Santiago Medrano paid for his haircut. Plus the Mailbag and plenty more.
Mitch Hardy and Mick Colliss make fun of Heath Tessmann's singlet while discussing the latest rugby news,
Great chat with former Wallaby and current Easts Brisbane assistant coach, Mark Bartholomeusz. Hear his thoughts on rugby and why Nick Stiles almost denied him a Test cap.
Perth's home grown Wallaby, Dane Haylett-Petty, gives some great insight into the Rebels, Mitch Hardy has his say on the Waratahs review and Heath Tessmann launches a massive rumour. Plus the mailbag and the usual carry on.
Grab yourself a drink, some snacks and a comfy chair and have a listen to this. Ben Darwin's analysis of rugby and sport, and what makes teams successful, is fascinating. Plus the mailbag and the usual carry on.
Kyle Godwin, one of the nicest guys in rugby, waxes lyrical about his career, the Force and whether the moon boot he's wearing is the same one Sam Wykes drank out of. Plus the Mail Bag and plenty more.
Western Force skipper Ian Prior previews game one and answers the all important question: Are the imports good blokes? Plus the Mail Bag and plenty more.
New RugbyWA CEO, Nathan Charles, waxes lyrical about the future of rugby in WA while Mitch Hardy reminisces about the time he was outsprinted by a front rower.
Former Argentine and Wallaby prop 'Topo' Rodriguez explains why the Argentinians will beat Australia; why the cow needs to be fed before it's milked and what he's doing for female rugby players. Plus we go through a bumper mailbag that covers everything from the NRL and a new rugby documentary to what Tess wore to Reds training.
The team picks at the carcass of Bledisloe 3, reminds everyone what a good bloke Ben Mowen is, and reluctantly discusses Gordon's win in the Shute Shield.
Former Wallaby captain Ben Mowen talks life, the Bledisloe and the importance of club rugby.
Former All Black Andrew Mehrtens explains how he raised Nelson Mandela's profile and inspired the movie 'Invictus' while Cottesloe skipper Tobias Hoskins talks up his try in extra time to help seal back to back premierships for his team.
The Rugby Wrappers wrap up Super Rugby AU in their final show of the season. But they'll be back, along with world rugby's richest tea giveaway, when the Rugby Championship gets underway.
Former SANZAR, Welsh and NZRU CEO David Moffett on why Australia shouldn't try to play like the All Blacks, what he'd do if he was in charge of RA and why rugby could one day be played with only 13 a side. One of the game's great thinkers.
Tim Sampson talks about the challenges and the positives of spending 9 weeks on the road to play Super Rugby AU.
Why do some players stay away from rugby after they retire? James Holbeck talks about the challenges facing players as they transition away from professional rugby and the importance of being part of a club.
Is the USA the sleeping giant of world rugby? See what new LA Giltinis coach Darren Coleman has to say, while Nick Jooste enjoys tea time with Tess.
Great to check in with Richard Tombs @gunsoutfortombsy as he continues his recovery while Michael Blucher lifts the lid on schoolboy rugby scholarships. Five star hotels before games is just one of many surprising revelations.
Long serving @Eastwoodrugby clubman 'Horrie' Dickie talks about club life and lighting fires on the TG Milner field hill, while Western Force lock Jeremy Thrush sits in as a special guest.
Wallaroo's coach Dwayne Nestor shares his passion for women's rugby while local Perth product Jackson Pugh talks about his pathway to the Force during Tea Time with Tess. Also available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and iheartradio. For information about The Art of Rugby coaching community, go to rugby.sisulife.com.au
Former Test referee Stuart Dickinson shares his thoughts and some stories while Force S&C coach Spencer Goggin enjoys Tea Time with Tess.
Former UWA, Force and now Melbourne Rebels player, Dicky Hardwick, discusses the challenges facing the Rebels during the Covid crisis; we review the Force v Tahs match; while Dom Hardman enjoys Tea Time with Tess.
Van Humphries discusses week one of Super Rugby AU and the Force's match against the Waratahs.
Fox Sports commentator and ex Wallaby Greg Martin discusses rugby's broadcast future while the retiring Chris Alcock enjoys Tea Time with Tess.
Former Wallaby Barry Honan explains the need for simple law changes to re-engage the fans while Western Force speedster Marcel Brache enjoys Tea Time with Tess. Also available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and iheartradio.
Coaches Rob Barugh and Alex Stajka discuss school and club rugby; we catch up with new recruit Jono Lance; and Kane Koteka enjoys Tea Time with Tess.
This week on the Rugby Wrap, Nick Stiles talks about rugby in Japan while Kieran Longbottom enjoys Tea Time with Tess.
Is NZ's Bay of Plenty one of the world's most innovative rugby clubs? CEO Mike Rogers talks about their long term deal with rugby in China, their seamless move into Global Rapid Rugby and how they're attracting players. Plus we discuss a genuinely exciting way to pick the Wallabies team while the great Chris Heiburg enjoys Tea Time with Tess.
Rugby Australia's Director of Rugby, Scott Johnson, shares his ideas while Henry Taefu enjoys Tea Time with Tess.
We catch up with 900 game veteran and former ARU Director, Geoff Stooke, while ex All Black and current Western Force second rower, Jeremy Thrush, enjoys Tea Time with Tess.
Toby Lawson and Adrian 'Moose' Skeggs look at the business of rugby while Jack McGregor enjoys 'Tea time with Tess.'
We shoot the breeze with former Western Force scrum coach and current Central West Rugby Union CEO Matt Tink, along with Avoca Sharks Rugby Club President, Stew Jenkins. Plus, Western Force star Fergus Lee-Warner features in our new segment, "Tea Time with Tess."
Former Wallaby captain Andrew Slack talks about 'The Letter' and shares his thoughts on the game.
Former Wallaby and Eastwood Club President, Brett Papworth, makes sense of a complicated situation while long time listener, first time caller - Western Force coach Tim Sampson - finds some positives in the current situation.
Former Wallaby captain Nick Farr-Jones speaks passionately and openly about the future of rugby in Australia.
Western Force CEO Mark Evans discusses the cancellation of the 2020 season of Global Rapid Rugby and Heath Tessmann shares how he is keeping his mind active during the restrictions.
Mitch Hardy and Mick Colliss catch up with Heath Tessmann to find out what's happening during the self isolation period at the Western Force, and shoot the breeze with former Wallaby captain Phil Kearns about the broadcast deal, a domestic competition and what Australian rugby really needs to focus on.
With the 'fourth Hemsworth' - aka Heath Tessmann - unavailable, MItch Hardy and Mick Colliss review the first round of Global Rapid Rugby and catch up with former Western Force superstar, Cameron Shepherd.
On the eve of the first ever Global Rapid Rugby competition match, Heath Tessman, Mitch Hardy and Mick Colliss catch up with Western Force stalwart Matt Hodgson to find out how it all came together. Plus, we speak with the captain of the Rugby WA women's team, Trilleen Pomare, after her side's game against the Melbourne Rebels.