Gold/Fox: Non Billable: Recent Episodes
New York State Bar Association
Join New York State Bar Association members Sarah Gold and Michael Fox each Wednesday for the Non-Billable podcast. Each week Gold and Fox talk to attorneys, judges and elected officials about how they got their start in the law and their ‘non-billable’ activities and hobbies. Previous guest include NY Court of Appeal Associate Justice Leslie Stein, Portland, Oregon District Attorney Mike Schmidt and many more.
New episodes drop every Wednesday!
Schuh, a veteran of the Middletown, NY Police Department now owns the firm, the Law Office of Mark L. Schuh, PLLC, discusses his transition from being a police lieutenant to law student and now the owner of a small firm.
He also discusses how he got his pilot's license, shares some details about how someone can get their license and discusses the type of training, instruction and focus it takes to become a licensed pilot.
Check out the Non-Billable Twitter feed for some pictures of Mark flying his plane.
Gold/Fox: Non-Billable is hosted by NYSBA members Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Marotta, who practices in the areas of probate, wills, trusts, estate planning, franchises, trademark licensing, commercial leasing, condominium conversions, and real estate, shares how the band has continued to 'jam' during the COVID shutdown that has forced many music venues and bars across the state to close. He also talks about somehow the band settled on their name, what type of music they choose to play and how they put personal touches on classic songs from the late 1960s and 1970s.
He was kind enough to share a performance of the band covering the song 'From the Beginning,' a classic from English rock band ELP (11:57).
Check out and support The Resistance on Facebook and be sure to check out the Non-Billable Twitter feed for some photos of Dan and the band performing throughout the years.
Gold/Fox: Non-Billable is hosted by NYSBA members Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Cohen has practiced personal injury law for over 30 years but to many in the State Bar Association, he is known for hosting parties and cooking amazing dishes. He discusses how he came to realize he enjoyed cooking, he shares some of his favorite dishes and gives out some recipients for listeners to try for themselves.
In our news story intro, Sarah and Michael pay tribute to long-time Jeopardy host Alex Trabek. Sarah shares her memories of being a contestant on the show in 1999.
Check out the Non-Billable podcast Twitter feed for some pictures of Orin’s food and a picture of Sarah with Alex Trabek.
Gold/Fox: Non-Billable is hosted by NYSBA members Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Goldfeder, who is special counsel with Stroock & Stroock & Levan, LLP and has over 40 years of experience practicing in election law, discusses numerous scenarios that could unfold over the course of the next few weeks regarding legal challenges to the counting of ballots and the likelihood of having the result of the election decided by U.S. House of Representatives or the Supreme Court.
The NYSBA Task Force on the Presidential Election report is available here.
*Producers Note (This episode was recorded on Election Day, November 3, 2020).
Greenberg served as NYSBA's 122nd President and is a shareholder at Greenberg Traurig.
The Non-Billable podcast is hosted by NYSBA members, Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Sims also discusses what his plans are for his legal career once he graduates as well as if there are any more opportunities for him to continue to play football, now that Albany once again has a franchise.
The Non-Billable podcast is hosted by NYSBA members Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Krut who has published three books this past year, including a collection of poems, discusses her writing process, the habits she's developed that allows her to balance her legal career and time for writing.
She also reads a few lines from her poem, Defund the Media which has been featured in several online outlets and discusses the symbolism behind several of her other poems.
The Non-Billable podcast is hosted by Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
D'Agostino who is the United States District Judge for the Northern District of New York was confirmed in 2011 by the U.S. Senate by an 88-0 vote. She discusses what it means to her to be the first woman to sit in Federal Court in Albany, how playing and coaching basketball plays an important role in her life and some of the 'perks' of being a judge, including officiating weddings.
Gold/Fox: Non-Billable is hosted by NYSBA members Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Schmidt is the newly elected District Attorney of Multnomah County in Oregon. The largest city in that county is Portland, which has been thrust into the national spotlight with how they are managing protests that began in response to the killing of George Floyd in May.
He talks about his upbringing in Weedsport, New York and how he went from being a teacher in New Orleans to law school in Oregon and ultimately being elected District Attorney.
He dispels myths and conspiracies that circulate about some of his policies and how he dealt with campaigning during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Gold/Fox: Non-Billable is hosted by NYSBA members Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Riano, who previously worked as assistant counsel to Governor Andrew Cuomo, traces his career from being an electrical engineering major at Carnegie Mellon to becoming a high fashion model in New York and ultimately finding his way to Washington and Lee University Law School.
He also discusses the part he played in writing an Amicus Brief on behalf of NYSBA in support of 'Fulton vs. City of Philadelphia' case and how the process reinforced his belief in mentoring young lawyers.
Finally, he reads an excerpt from the his book that juxtaposes Ruth Bader Ginsbrug's background to that of social activist Anna Pauli Murray.
You can purchase Marriage Equality: From Outlaws to In-Laws here.
Gold who is an adjunct professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York and Fox who is an assistant professor of business law at Mount Saint Mary's College in Newburgh, New York talk about the new normal on their respective campuses.
They talk about what its like teaching a class where students are 12 hours away, how the reopening plans have given students multiple options for online and in-person learning and what some of the challenges have been so far this semester.
They then turn the questions on 'Producer Brendan,' who talks about returning to work at the NYSBA offices and balancing working from home with two children, ages 1 and 3.
Domenick Napoletano, a solo practitioner in Brooklyn and NYSBA Treasurer joins the show to talk about how as a solo practitioner he's adjusted to working amidst the COVID-19 pandemic, how he became involved in bar association work and some of the unique activities he takes part in with his colleagues.
Napoletano discusses the small group of lawyers from the Columbian Lawyers Association of Brooklyn that participates in a book club, where they read well-known books and novels and then dine on meals associated with the books. He talks about the group's most recent meeting where they dined on food discussed in The Terra-Cotta Dog.
Napoletano is the past president of the Brooklyn Bar Association, the Columbian Lawyers Association of Brooklyn, The Confederation of Columbian Lawyers of the State of New York, and the Catholic Lawyers Guild of Kings County.
Hon. Karen Peters and Libby Coreno, the co-chairs of the NYSBA Attorney Well-being Task Force join the show to talk about their path on how they became involved in this area of the law, how cultural expectations have led to unhealthy work habits in the legal profession and how the Task Force will examine the factors that negatively impact the health and well-being of the legal community.
They also talk about the role stress, substance abuse, and technology play in the lives of attorneys and how they have a negative impact on their personal and professional lives.
Justice Peters is the former Presiding Justice of the Third Appellate Division and the first woman to hold that position and Coreno is general counsel to Bonacio Construction, Inc and also has a boutique practice where she advises clients on zoning, planning and real property development.
Check out all NYSBA Attorney Well-being initiatives, including the Lawyer to Lawyer Well-Being Roundtable, by clicking here.
Danielle Quinn, an associate at Patterson, Bellknap, Webb & Tyler in Manhattan, joins the show to talk about her role with the Historical Society of the New York Courts' project to document how attorneys all across New York have responded to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Quinn, a 2015 graduate of Albany Law School, discusses how this project came to be, what the goal is for the project, and what lessons attorneys are learning about themselves and their practice due to COVID-19.
If you're interested in learning more about the Creating an Archive: Responding to the 2020 Pandemic, get in touch with Danielle via email. Or you can contact Daniel Sierra, at the Historical Society of the NY Courts.
Danielle Quinn - dquinn@pbwt.com
Daniel Sierra - dsierra@nycourts.gov
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Rick Collins, partner at Collins, Gann, McCloskey, & Barry on Long Island is this week's guest. Collins talks about his practice work in criminal defense and how he began his career as a Nassau County Assistant District Attorney.
Collins, a past president of the Nassau County Bar Association, then talks about his acting career, where he stared in the "Toxic Avenger" TV series and had a brief role in the HBO classic "The Sopranos." He also talks about his passion for weightlifting and recalls the time he met his childhood idol, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
NYSBA President-elect T. Andrew Brown joins the show to talk about his work on the New York State Board of Regents, outlines his goals for his term as NYSBA President in 2021, discusses the history of Juneteenth and how the state bar can respond to fight racial injustice.
Patricia Salkin is the Professor of Law and Provost, Graduate and Professional Divisions and former Dean at Touro College Jacob D. Fuchsberg Law Center. She joins the show to talk about her career in higher education, how the skills a lawyer learns throughout their career can prepare them for a leadership role on a college campus, and how she’s translated her love for Billy Joel into a law course.
Retired U.S. Magistrate Judge from the Southern District of New York, Andrew Peck joins Sarah and Mike this week to talk about his path to the law, how he became a judge, and what he does now that he's retired from the bench.
In this wide-ranging conversation, Judge Peck describes how he started out as a math and computer major at Cornell before switching majors and attending law school, thanks to his love of history and Perry Mason. He talks about how two events in his professional career led him to pursue a career on the bench and how much he enjoyed being a decision-maker more than an advocate.
He then talks about his post-retirement life, including his love for Sherlock Holmes and the New York Yankees.
Lee Redeye an associate at Lippes, Mathias, Wexler, Friedman in Buffalo is this week's guest.
Redeye who is a member of the Seneca Nation of Indians talks about his community involvement with the Seneca Commission for Economic Development and the Native American Legal Assistance Clinic, which he founded in partnership with the Erie County Bar Association. He also discusses his path to the law and how he got his start practicing Indian law, commercial litigation, and how he became involved in various pro bono initiatives.
Marne Onderdonk, Court Attorney for Hon. Margaret T. Walsh in Albany County Family Court joins the show to talk about her path to the law, her commitment to Bar Association service, and her passion for bird watching.
Onderdonk, a past president of the Saratoga County Bar Association, board member of the Adirondack Women's Bar Association and a member of the NYSBA House of Delegates describes how her commitment to bar association service has led her to make lifelong connections with fellow practitioners and allowed her to continue to learn from colleagues in different practice areas.
Onderdonk also talks about her passion for birding or bird watching, which was instilled in her by her grandparents. Michael and Sarah quiz her knowledge of bird sounds.
Stephen Younger and Hon. Albert Rosenblatt join the show to talk about the Historical Society of the New York Courts and the recent webinar Lessons Learned From the 1918 Pandemic: Historical and Legal Framework of the Spanish Flu and How It Relates to Today's Crisis.
First, they discuss how the Historical Society of the New York Courts was founded by former Chief Judge Judith Kaye in 2002. Judge Rosenblatt, who was sitting on the Court of Appeals at the time, recalls how from a small notebook with names of former Court of Appeals judges sprang the Historical Society of the New York Courts.
The conversation then turns to a discussion about the May 11 webinar and what lessons society has learned from the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic as well as some similarities and differences in how federal and state governments handled the response. They also discuss some of the legal cases stemming from the 1918 pandemic, including several from the Midwest having to do with school teachers and bus drivers not getting paid during the pandemic.
As always the episode closes with Sarah and Michael letting their guests test their trivia knowledge. This week's topics are former NYSBA Presidents and Sherlock Holmes!
Sarah Gold and Michael Fox are back for season 2 of the Gold/Fox: Non-Billable Podcast.
No guest this week, instead, Sarah and Mike interview each other and catch up on how their lives have been impacted by the shutdown and stay-at-home orders.
Sarah recalls her road trip across the southern United States in mid-March right as the novel coronavirus began to cause shutdowns of nonessential businesses across the country. She also talks about some of the work she does with the New York State Bar Association and how her work as a solo practitioner and professor has shifted online.
Michael talks about his work as a professor at Mount Saint Mary's College and Columbia University, including the study abroad course's he has co-designed that has brought him to places like Australia, to study the difference in health care systems to mining towns in Pennsylvania, to study the history of workers in America. He also discusses his career transition to becoming a professor, after spending 13 years as a practicing attorney in New York City and the Hudson Valley.
Albany County Bar Association President Dan Hurteau joins Sarah and Michael for a wide-ranging conversation about his upbringing in an upstate NY town with a population of 200, how cross country road trips with family during his youth led him to become a lawyer and how beneficial pro bono work can be for young lawyers.
Hurteau, partner at Nixon Peabody in Albany, NY talks about his upbringing in North Bangor, NY, seven miles from the Canadian border, how multiple family cross country vacations led him to see the diversity and largess of the United States and contributed to him becoming attending law school.
Hurteau then discusses some of the pro bono work he has done throughout his career the culture of pro bono service at Nixon Peabody was instilled in him on his first day.
The conversation closes with a discussion about Hurteau's passion for the outdoors. From his preferred exercise choices of cross country skiing, running and bicycling, the latter being Dan's preferred choice of transportation to and from work, to his quest to become an Adirondack 46er.
As the outgoing president of the ACBA, Hurteau gives some words of wisdom for young lawyers, thinking about joining bar associations. "Get Involved, Stay Involved, Be Involved."
The Non-Billable podcast is hosted by Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Louise Carron, Executive Director at the Center for Art Law joins Sarah and Michael to discuss her truly unique path to the law, the work being done at the Center for Art Law and fascinating discussion about 'street art.'
Carron, a native Parisian, talks about some of her favorite exhibits in the Louvre and her recent trip to the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art.
She then goes on to describe the work being done at the Center for Art Law - and how the need for a central database of art law information, articles, and law programs inspired her mentor to create the center.
The discussion closes with a fascinating discussion on her Street Art article, from the November 2019 NYSBA Bar Journal and about which types of street art have copyright protection, which don't and the relevant case law surrounding this topic.
The Non-Billable podcast is hosted by NYSBA members Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
NYSBA's 120th President (2017-18), Sharon Stern Gerstman joins Sarah and Michael to talk about her path to law, how the card game, bridge, is responsible for meeting her husband and how quitting smoking led her to take up knitting.
Gerstman, counsel at Magavern Magavern Grimm in Buffalo, recalls how her mother knew she was destined to be a lawyer at the age of 5, how a lack of maternity leave policy at a tax firm resulted in her taking a position with the New York Supreme Court in the Eighth Judicial District, where she stayed for 30 years.
Finally, Gerstman discusses her unique hobby of knitting and how that has led her to knitting seminars, festivals, and competitions, like the New York Sheep and Wool Festival, 'Sock Madness,' 'Tour de Sock,' and 'The Canadian Crazy Train.'
You'll never guess what country, Gerstman claims produces the fastest and best competitive knitters.
The Non-Billable Podcast is hosted by Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Scott Karson, president-elect of the New York State Bar Association and partner at Lamb & Barnosky, joins Michael and Sarah to discuss how he went from a social studies student-teacher to Syracuse College of Law.
He also talks about the time he attended a music festival in upstate New York during the summer of 1969 and the travel opportunities he and his family have had thanks to his position as a delegate to the American Bar Association.
The Non-Billable Podcast is hosted by Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Judge Jonah Triebwasser (Red Hook, NY) joins Michael and Sarah for a discussion about his dual duty as a Town and Village Justice, his path to the law, and his 'other career' as a Franklin D. Roosevelt historical interpreter.
The 32nd President of the United States then sits down with Michael and Sarah and recounts the 1939 visit by King George VI and Queen Elizabeth to his home in Hyde Park, NY and gives advice to today's electorate.
The Non-Billable Podcast is hosted by Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Leslie Stein, Associate Judge of the New York Cout of Appeals, joins Sarah and Michael to discuss how she nearly became a psychologist rather than go to law school, the day in the life of a Court of Appeals judge, and how a good meal keeps her centered.
Judge Stein shares the story of being rejected for a position at the NY State Appellate Division, Third Department early in her career, before being appointed Justice of the Third Department and serving for over 6 years.
The Non-Billable Podcast is hosted by Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
Dan Nolan, President & CEO of Hugh Johnson Advisors and co-owner of the Albany Empire joins Sarah and Michael to discuss how he used his law degree to carve out a niche in the business world, the advice he gives to young professionals and college students and the rich history of professional sports in Albany.
Dan shares how he became involved as an owner for the Albany Empire, the potential growth for the Arena Football League in the coming years.
Finally, Sarah closes the episode by re-living the 2019 AFL Championship Game, which the Albany Empire won!
Kelly McNamee, an associate at Greenberg Traurig in Albany, NY joins Michael and Sarah for an in-depth conversation about her essay in the June/July NYSBA Journal and her unique path in the law.
They also talk about Kelly's transition from working and living in Manhattan and Brooklyn to working and living in the Capital Region. They discuss the top-5 things she misses about NYC-life.
Then in a NYSBA Podcast first, Kelly challenges NYSBA President Hank Greenberg.....to a competitive game of pool.
The Non-Billable Podcast is hosted by Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
In the premiere of the Non-Billable Pod, Sarah and Mike talk to NYSBA's 118th President and host of Miranda Warnings, David Miranda.
They discuss Miranda's path to law and how his career as an intellectual property lawyer began in the 1990s by focusing on this thing called the internet. They also talk about David's (in)famous comedy routines that are a staple of nearly all NYSBA dinners and events.
Sarah and Mike then turn the interview over to David, so he can test their trivia chops and then share a lighthearted news story about an asteroid!
The Non-Billable pod is hosted by Sarah Gold and Michael Fox.
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