Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs: Recent Episodes

Steve Cuss

Tools to help you lower reactivity and increase connectedness in the work place and home place. Guest Interviews.

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Steve thoroughly appreciated this chat with fellow Aussie Ben Windle as Ben brought many profound and succinct nuggets for us.

Ben recently wrote the excellent Good Catastrophe, looking at how God turns and uses catastrophic events in our lives. Ben has lived enough of them for all of us.

He has been a local church Pastor for over 20 years, including as a Founding and Senior Pastor and he consults organizations on generational understanding. He specializes in Millennial/Gen Z and you can learn more about Ben at his website.

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John and Nancy Ortberg join Steve to endure several of his Gauntlet of Anxiety Questions. Not surprisingly, the questions generated MUCH wisdom from these giants in our faith. Steve found himself doing some deep work in real time as John and Nancy fleshed out a way of being human and with God. 

To get tickets to our upcoming Unlocking Faith conference, click here. 

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Today we launch a brand new tool and it is one of our favorite type of tools because it is: very straightforward and simple but is also SO obvious, we neglect it. Therefore, we can begin to practice it and revolutionize our inner wellbeing. Lisa is joined by Lisa, the Friendly Neighborhood Therapist to kick around the new tool:

Put yourself on your conscious list of relationships. 

To participate in our upcoming Unlocking Faith Conference or to learn more, click here. 

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This week Steve is joined by his therapist wife Lisa and Capable Life Trainer Jimmy Carnes. They dig into Steve's morning of shame, virtues, vices and the autopilot we get into, as well as some noticing and diffusing tools. 

To learn more about our upcoming Unlocking Faith Conference, click here.

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We all know what to believe and what our brain believes, but what does our anxiety believe and what does ori body believe? Sometimes the gap between our belief about God and our experience of God comes down to our functional theology. 

On this episode, Steve is joined by Lisa Cuss and also Capable Life trainer, Renae Loring. They dig into Renae's journey of anxiety management, how to locate your functional beliefs and how to begin to dislodge them. 

The Unlocking Faith conference is fast approaching - Oct 2-4. You can join us in Colorado or stream online. If your schedule doesn't line up, a streaming ticket also gives you access on demand to all sessions after we're done. If you'd like to get unstuck in your faith, this conference is designed to give you keys to unlock what is blocking your experience of God's love, presence and freedom. 

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Steve chats with Glenn and Holly Packiam about leadership transition, establishing trust as a new leader, the challenge a leader’s spouse faces in ‘second hand criticism’ and their recent book and upcoming journal, Intentional Year and the soon to be released Intentional Year Journal.

Glenn is an essential voice in these times. He brings a rare combination of compassion, academia, creativity, and thoughtfulness to his role as Lead Pastor at Rockharbor Church and so many of us have benefited from his voice. Holly is a pastor with a Master in Counseling degree and has built two decades of faithful leadership and ministry in the local church.

Learn more or purchase tickets for Unlocking Faith Conference.

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Jimmy Carnes is a Capable Life trainer who has worked with Steve for over ten years. He joins Steve on the pod to chat:

  • What do you do when you don't know what to do.

  • Leadership as 'taking responsibility' rather than 'knowing what to do.'

  • How many milliseconds do you need to know if a worship band member is not ok?

And much more. 

To get info and tickets for our upcoming Unlocking Faith conference, click here. 

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Sometimes it is easier to SEE Differentiation before you TRY it! We frequently recommend first watching it, then noticing a time you're anxious and debriefing after and then trying it for yourself. 

To that end, in this episode Steve spends time clarifying what differentiation is and then shows how it shows up in: Hidden Figures, The Crown, The Princess Bride, Toy Story and Spotlight. 

Coming in Oct 2-4, Unlocking Faith conference. Early bird pricing ends June 30th. Join us in person, live stream or watch later on demand Tickets and more info here. 

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This week Lisa and Steve dive into the 4 styles of attachment, we help you locate your own attachment styles and then we talk through some characters from the show and their attachment. We also dig into differentiation, how some people mis use it and where we see characters differentiating well. 

Unlocking Faith is coming! We'll help you locate and unlock beliefs that block your enjoyment of God.

Oct 2-4 in person in CO, or live stream or watch on demand. Early Bird pricing ends June 30

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In the first of a two part series, Steve and his wife Lisa look at the elements of Ted Lasso through Systems Theory and Attachment. In this episode they focus on how change happens, the slow, steady chipping away and four of the core elements that caused characters to grow. 

Unlocking Faith is Oct 2-4th. If you'd like help locating and then unlocking beliefs you hold or beliefs that hold you that are blocking your connection to God's peace, freedom and love, this conference is for you. 

You can join in person in Colorado, or by live stream or watch on demand. 

Early Bird pricing ends June 30th. More info and tickets here. 

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We all have beliefs that lay deeper than our belief in God and these beliefs block our connection to God. In this episode, Steve is joined by his trauma and attachment therapist wife, Lisa to chat the nature of beliefs and tools to dislodge core beliefs so our precious belief can soak deeper into our lives. 

Our Unlocking Faith conference is approaching! Early bird prices end June 30th. To come in person or buy a live stream or on demand video access, click here. 

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Jessie Cruickshank’s new book is Ordinary DIscipleshipship - an incredible and fresh approach to the way we change and help others change. I loved this interview where Jessie digs into attachment theory, the way God wired our brains for change, the power of truth and assumptions and her favorite way to die while being outdoors.

Jessie is Director of Certification for Future Church, an ordained Foursquare minister and a nationally recognized leader in the fields of Experiential Education and Educational Neuroscience. She holds a Master’s from Harvard in Mind, Brain, and Education. Jessie is passionate about creating organic systems that facilitate holistic human and organizational development.

Jessie hosts cohorts for individuals and churches looking to integrate Ordinary Discipleship into their context. You can access that here.

For tickets to our Unlocking Faith Conference, either in person, live stream or on demand, click here.

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Nick and Christine Caine are two of the most phenomenal people I know. Christine is an evangelist, gifted preacher and author. She and Nick lead Equip and Empower, an organization dedicated to helping women thrive in faith and leadership. They also lead A21, a global anti human trafficking organization. A21 is a full service organization from advocacy to rescue and recovery and operates in a dozen countries. 

In this rare treat, we hear from Nick and Christine together on the early days of A21, how they hear from God, the importance of concrete action and on Christine’s latest book. 

Don’t Look Back was released a few days ago and is available for purchase now. 

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If you'd like to get more intentional about working on these, you can join Capable Life either by yourself or with a group of peers. Some entire teams are joining together to work through these tools together. 

For more info on our Unlocking Faith conference in Oct, click here. 

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For more resources as well as tickets to the upcoming Unlocking Faith conference, visit www.stevecusswords.com

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Sean Nemecek is a pastor, coach at www.PIRministries.org and author of the MUST READ new book The Weary Leader’s Guide To Burnout.

Sean chats his own harrowing journey into and out of burnout. He helps us measure our healthy relationships and also gives us ways to implement proper rhythms that increase our chance of being well.

Leaders, this is such an important conversation. You are worth pouring into. Please do not listen and move on. You can get help and you are worth the money and time to do so. Contact Sean if you’d like him or his team to visit your church board to have this conversation.

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How do we learn to restrain our impulses long enough to reflect on them with God so we can deliberatively respond rather than react? Today we share tips on that, we announce the new conference and an Aussie speaking tour. 

Info and Tickets for the Unlocking Faith conference. 

Info for the Australian Speaking Tour.

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Justin Rosolino is the Co Ordinator for the Magnolia Foundation, a non profit arm of the home decor juggernaut founded by Chip and Joanna Gaines. 

Justin is a guitarist, classicist and former educator which explains why he now works in addressing systemic poverty in Waco, Texas. Justin is the author of Idiot, Sojourning Soul, a provocative, wide reaching and entertaining memoir of his life and of Christianity in general. 

For resources to help you manage anxiety, yours and theirs visit www.capablelife.me 

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Ike Miller is a pastor, scholar, church planter and author who is releasing a fascinating book called Good Baggage to help us understand the implication of our childhood on our well being. Ike and I chat about upbringing, childhood vows and more. And of course Ike very kindly endures the gauntlet of anxiety questions! 

For resources to help you with emotional and spiritual health, visit www.capablelife.me

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Mike Cosper is a musician, pastor, creative and podcaster, most recently known for the juggernaut podcast The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill. Mike serves as a Senior Director at Christianity Today and recently hosted two beautiful interviews with Bono and Bill Mallonee. We discuss how grief infects our work for better or worse, the impact and challenge of producing RaFoMH podcast. We kick around art and craft and the vital importance of putting beautiful work into the world. Mike is an utter gem, I could have talked with him for hours. 

For a journal or other resources, you can visit www.capablelife.me

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Tara Beth Leach is a pastor, preacher and author. She brings a rare combination of candor, thoughtfulness, depth and succinctness. Tara Beth talks us through grieving as a leader, unique challenges of being a female pastor, the life of an Enneagram 6 and more. This was one of my all time favorite conversations and reminds me how grateful I am for her voice, writing and way in this world. You can dig into Tara Beth’s books here.

Want to increase well being and break stuck relational patterns in you and your people? We can help you at www.capablelife.me

Steve is booking workshops and speaking engagements and he has a couple of dates left in April - June and then again in November and December 2023. You can submit an inquiry here.

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"People grow when they are in a quest or when they are in a crisis' so says the wonderful Dr Scot McKnight. 

Our church has built a philosophy of discipleship and change around this profound idea. Today I share our steps to transformation, whether talking about spiritual growth or relational health. 

Also, exciting announcements!

  1. To be the first to hear when conference tickets go on sale, visit www.stevecusswords.com and grab the free PDF. We will email our whole email list when pre sale is ready. 

  2. If you'd like to explore an intensive, either individual or group, you can learn more and submit an inquiry here. 

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Lisa, 'The Friendly Neighborhood Therapist' joins Steve to chat about power dynamics, manipulation vs gas lighting.

Steve and Lisa also talk about upcoming intensives and when you know you could benefit from one.

To learn more about intensives, purchase a journal or join the self paced learning community, visit www.capablelife.me  

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Movie writers and show runners sometimes employ an 'unreliable narrator' - often a character in the show who is confused, or intentionally deceiving the audience. Shows like The Sting, The Prestige, Home Land, True Detective and more employee this technique to keep the audience guessing or confused. 

Chronic anxiety is an unreliable narrator and the sooner we learn to mistrust its message, the more freedom we can experience. 

For journals and our self paced experience, visit www.capablelife.me 

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Chronic anxiety has a gospel and if you don't stay on its treadmill, it tells you that Armageddon will happen. This is why we stay stuck - we assume we have to keep doing what we're doing so disaster won't strike. 

But Chronic anxiety is unreliable. How do we test our assumptions? On this  solo episode, Steve further explores assumptions and doom that come with anxiety. 

For journal or our self paced learning community, visit www.capablelife.me

To get on the interest list for 2023 intensives, email steve@stevecusswords.com

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A solo episode where Steve shares some of his current metaphors and tools on managing anxiety. This one - anxiety is like a lobster trap. You can leave anytime you want. 

Visit www.capablelife.me to order the new Calm, Aware, Present Journal, add on some video guides or join our Capable Life self paced community.

To get on the interest list for Steve's 2023 intensives, email steve@stevecusswords.com 

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A solo episode where Steve shares some of his current metaphors and tools on managing anxiety. This one - anxiety is like a lobster trap. You can leave anytime you want. 

Visit www.capablelife.me to order the new Calm, Aware, Present Journal, add on some video guides or join our Capable Life self paced community.

To get on the interest list for Steve's 2023 intensives, email steve@stevecusswords.com 

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For journals, online community or to inquire about Steve serving your organization, visit www.capablelife.me

This week Steve chats with Jay Kim, a thoughtful and wise young pastor who chats through analog Christianity, challenges of transition in leadership and minority culture. There were just so many fantastic nuggets of wisdom in this episode.

Jay Y Kim serves as lead pastor at WestGate Church.

He has written two cracking books on navigating our faith in a digital age: Analog Church and Analog Christian and was a contributor to Red Skies. You can reach Jay on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook.

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For a journal, video series or to join our Capable Life self paced learning journey, visit www.capablelife.me 

I'm writing a new book! For feedback, or to share your own gaps, email steve@stevecusswords.com

Also, shout out to Don Pape at PapeCommons. 

For more about Tyler Schultz: 

The Dropout Podcast

Tyler Schultz Interview. 

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For a journal, video series or to join our Capable Life self paced learning journey, visit www.capablelife.me

Murray Bowen, founder of Family Systems Theory developed 8 concepts to guide and explain how we think and act. Understanding and putting into practice these 8 concepts can really revolutionize your relationship with people and with anxiety.

This episode is part 2 of 2 as we cover the last 4 of the 8 concepts. Hosted by Steve Cuss and Brendan Reed. (Listen to Part 1 here.)

This episode is a re run of one of our most downloaded episodes.

Apologies for episode 150 which was supposed to be this recording, but we mixed up the file, so we have deleted episode 150 and this episode is the correct file.

Links referenced in both episodes:

MLA Episode featuring Rich Villodas

MLA Episode featuring Jim Herrington

MLA Episode featuring Trisha Taylor

Emotionally Healthy Leadership

The Leader’s Journey

8 Concepts of Bowen Theory book

Generation to Generation

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Lucy Peppiatt is the Principal of Westminster Theological Centre in the UK where she teaches classes in systematic theology and spiritual formation. She is the author of volumes on discipleship, women in the NT, and the imago Dei and has a particular interest in the relation of Christ and the Spirit. She and her husband, Nick Crawley, have been in church leadership for over 30 years. They have four married sons. 

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DJ Chuang works as a freelance strategy consultant with over 20 years of experience in developing digital strategies and effective team processes for businesses, nonprofits and churches, accomplishing a reputation for pioneering innovations, developing effective resources, and strategically connecting people for greater impact. DJ is a recognized facilitator of dynamic conversations that co-create innovative solutions that meet specific organizational needs and context. He’s launched 3 podcasts, edited 2 books, and authored 1 book.

DJ has worked with a wide range of organizations, including: AT&T, American Bible Society, Get.Bible, Leadership Network, Exponential Network, Worship Leader Magazine, Visually Linked Bible, L2 Foundation, and Biola University. DJ has been featured on PBS, NBC News, Los Angeles Times, OC Register, Christian Post, and NPR.

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Sharon Hodde Miller is a speaker, author, church planter, co pastor and scholar whose recent book The Cost Of Control is a must read. Sharon diagnoses our control issues, but then sifts them through modern challenges like smart phones and body image. A delightful chat with a sharp and vital thinker.

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**For a journal, video series or to join our Capable Life self paced learning journey, visit www.capablelife.me

Murray Bowen, founder of Family Systems Theory developed 8 concepts to guide and explain how we think and act. Understanding and putting into practice these 8 concepts can really revolutionize your relationship with people and with anxiety.

This episode is part 2 of 2 as we cover the last 4 of the 8 concepts. Hosted by Steve Cuss and Brendan Reed. (Listen to Part 1 here.)

Links referenced in both episodes:

MLA Episode featuring Rich Villodas

MLA Episode featuring Jim Herrington

MLA Episode featuring Trisha Taylor

Emotionally Healthy Leadership The Leader’s Journey

8 Concepts of Bowen Theory book Generation to Generation

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**To join Capable Life before the price increase, sign up for our free communications masterclass or buy a journal, visit www.stevecusswords.com

Murray Bowen, founder of Family Systems Theory developed 8 concepts to guide and explain how we think and act. Understanding and putting into practice these 8 concepts can really revolutionize your relationship with people and with anxiety.

This episode is part 1 of 2 as we cover 4 of the 8 concepts. Hosted by Steve Cuss and Brendan Reed.

Links referenced in both episodes:

MLA Episode featuring Rich Villodas

MLA Episode featuring Jim Herrington

MLA Episode featuring Trisha Taylor

Emotionally Healthy Leadership The Leader’s Journey

8 Concepts of Bowen Theory book Generation to Generation

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Steve is delighted to be joined by his 15 year old daughter, Kaylee. Kaylee is a foremost expert on the TV show Gilmore Girls AND she has sat through enough of Steve’s workshops (and, frankly, dinner conversations) that she is able to diagnose the anxiety in the System of Gilmore Girls. Steve and Kaylee cover triangulation, double binds, mixed messages and more. 

Note: www.capablelife.me membership prices increase Sept 15th. Join now before the price goes up. 

Also, our journals are now available for sale! You can use the above link to order a journal. 

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Dr Anne Pattel-Gray was the first Indiginous Australian to receive a PhD in Theology and she has used her personal experience and training to speak prophetically into unjust and evil racist systems. Anne has achieved many firsts in her life, and she is known as a trail blazer and has opened many doors for her people. She is a recognised scholar, Aboriginal activist and prolific writer with several publications –chapters, articles, edited works and authored books.

Steve first encountered Dr Pattel-Gray’s work while he was in seminary and was thrilled to chat with her about the nature of power, what the white church can do and the ongoing plight of First Nations people. Anne is the author of many books including Through Aboriginal Eyes

Note: Capable Life subscription price is increasing September 15. You can learn more about Capable Life as well as join to lock in the current price here.

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After a quick update and a candle lighting, Steve digs into the nature of power by comparing the Roman Pax Romana to the Gospel of Jesus and the Gospel of our chronic anxiety and inner critic. 

To learn more about the free Communication Style masterclass, visit www.stevecusswords.com

Note: Capable Life membership prices increase Sept 15. To join before the price increases, visit www.capablelife.me

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Part 7 in this series.

Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.

Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.

Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.

If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.

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Part 6 in this series.

Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.

Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.

Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.

If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.

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Part 5 in this series.

Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.

Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.

Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.

If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.

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Part 4 in this series.

Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.

Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.

Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.

If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.

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Part 3 in this series.

Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.

Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.

Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.

If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.

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Part 2 in this series.

Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.

Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.

Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.

If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.

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On this brief episode, Steve lights a candle (water mint and eucalyptus), asks some questions that God asks and gives info about the Calm, Aware, Present Journal that is live on kickstarter for May 2022. 

If you've not had a chance to order a journal, would you do so now?

Would you also consider posting about it on your socials and sharing the link with anyone who might benefit?

Kickstarter is here.

Thanks! Back next week with Part 2 of Steve's chat with Ruth Haley Barton. 

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Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.

Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.

Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.

If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.

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Gina Cherion emailed me recently asking about Systems Theory in non white spaces, specifically how differentiation works in Asian culture. Gina is a pastor of Indian descent and when I received her email I knew I wanted to interview her and Marvin Williams who I have gotten to know through my Systems work and through Capable Life. Marvin is doing doctoral work at Fuller Seminary on Systems Theory, specifically on black presence in majority culture. I LOVED this conversation with these two pastors who led us on a great journey of managing expectations, carrying the weight of culture, shape shifting and more.

Gina Cherian has served the church in various roles, including serving as a campus pastor of a large multisite church and her current role as a pastor at Hope Community Church on the North Shore of Chicago. Gina longs to see every person discover the life-changing grace of Christ that has transformed her life. As an Indian-American woman, she is passionate about advancing the beautiful multiethnic community described in Revelation to our reality today. Gina is a devoted fan of all things related to her hometown of Chicago: sports, food, and even the weather. She resides in the Chicagoland area with her husband and two kids.

Marvin Williams has served as the Lead Pastor of Trinity Church in Lansing, Michigan since February 2010. He is a graduate of Bishop College in Dallas, Texas, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois, and Grand Rapids Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He and his wife Tonia have three children.

In addition to his ministry at Trinity Church, he was a regular devotional author for Our Daily Bread and Our Daily Journey and was one of the Bible Teachers for Sports.org. He is also a contributor to Scott Williams’ best-selling book, Church Diversity. He regularly speaks at conferences, retreats, chapels and churches around the country.

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Glenn Packiam is quite simply one of my favorite pastors and thinkers. Being an academic and a musician, a charismatic and an Anglican, as well as an immigrant gives Glenn a deep well of wisdom. Glenn is also one of the finest communicators I know. Profound, succinct, shepherding.

That is probably why I keep hosting Glenn on this show. I just want to learn more and more from this gem of a human.

Glenn’s latest book is the Resilient Pastor and he is also host of the podcast of the same name.

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Dr. Steve Brown develops Jesus-centered leaders as president of Arrow Leadership, a ministry focused on developing leaders who are led more by Jesus, lead more like Jesus and lead more to Jesus. Over the last two decades Steve has spent thousands of hours alongside hundreds of Christian leaders from around the world.

Steve is the author of Jesus Centered - Focusing on Jesus in a Distracted World (2021), Leading Me - 8 Keys To A Christian Leader's Most Important Assignment (2015), Great Questions for Leading Well and free e-resources at www.sharpeningleaders.com

Connect with Steve at www.steveabrown.com or learn more about Arrow Leadership at www.arrowleadership.org

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Steve talks with Mark Sayers about Systems Theory, leading with Bipolar and his upcoming book ‘Non Anxious Presence.’ 

Mark is the senior leader of Red Church in Melbourne, Australia. He is passionate about spiritual renewal and the future of the church. Mark is the author of a number of books including Strange Days and Reappearing Church.  Mark lives in Melbourne with his wife, Trudi, his daughter, Grace, and twin boys, Hudson and Billy.

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This week Steve’s wife Lisa joins the show to tackle listener questions. Lisa Cuss is Licensed Professional Therapist who offers physiology, neurobiology and attachment tools for anxiety management. 

Our listeners sent 4 pages of questions this week so we will tackle many of them throughout the year, but we spent most of our time on physiology tools and the brain’s response to various threats. Then we addressed some listener questions in rapid fire responses. 

You can connect with Lisa at www.capablelife.me inside our community. 

We referenced Lisa Dion and the wonderful Synergistic Play Therapy Institute. You can explore their podcast here (LINK: https://synergeticplaytherapy.com/episode-14-lessons-playroom-podcast-four-threats-brain%E2%80%8B/)

And we also referenced Ben and Lynley Mandrell’s wonderful podcast ‘The Glass House’ where Steve was a recent guest. (LINK HERE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-glass-house/id1584356771)

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Angie Ward is a leadership teacher and author with over 30 years of experience in church, parachurch, and Christian higher education ministry. She is the editor of the Kingdom Conversations series for NavPress, author of I Am a Leader: When Women Discover the Joy of their Calling (2020, NavPress), and serves as Assistant Director of the Doctor of Ministry program at Denver Seminary.

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Howard and Holly Satterthwaite have recently written a book Spiritual Detox, which invites you to rethink the way you see confession and discover greater joy through this spiritual discipline. They have been married for eleven years and have two children. Howard is the lead pastor of the world-famous and historic www.westminsterchapel.org.uk in London. Before that he worked as a barrister as well as engaging in human rights work in Kenya and the USA. Holly, having been a learning and development adviser in an international law firm in the city of London, is now a qualified career coach, www.thehopecoach.uk. She is also involved in the wider leadership of Westminster Chapel.

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Steve Cuss flies solo for this episode on becoming more attentive to God, the importance of breathing, and more.

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David E. Woolverton has been a pastor for over 30 years -- serving churches facing turn-around ministry situations. He has a doctorate in Conflict Leadership and has had intensive clinical training in hospital chaplaincy. He is affiliate professor of leadership studies at Evangelical Theological Seminary, Myerstown, PA and a faculty mentor with Kairos University, Sioux Falls, SD. David is a sought-after workshop leader and church consultant in conflict leadership and transitions.

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Steve Cuss, host of the MLA Podcast, continues his focused series on differentiation.

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IAN MORGAN CRON is a bestselling author, psychotherapist, Enneagram teacher, Episcopal priest, and the host of the wildly popular podcast, "Typology," which has over 17 million downloads. His books include the Enneagram primer The Road Back to You, the novel Chasing Francis, the spiritual memoir Jesus, My Father, the CIA, and Me, and The Story of You: An Enneagram Journey to Becoming Your True Self (December 2021).

Known for his transparency, humor, and depth of insight into the inner workings of the human heart and mind, Ian uses the Enneagram personality typing system as a tool to help people cultivate self-awareness and find happiness. Ian is a popular speaker and business consultant for organizations like The Discovery Channel, Michael Hyatt Company, Warner Brothers Music, and Chick-Fil-A. In addition, he shares his expertise on popular podcasts such as "The Minimalists," "The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast," Jon Acuff's "All It Takes is a Goal," Jen Hatmaker's "For the Love,” and many others. He and his wife, Anne, have three children and live in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Felicia L. Harris, PhD, is a writer, speaker, and associate professor at the University of Houston-Downtown, where she teaches communication and serves as the Assistant Director of the Center for Critical Race Studies. Her scholarship explores issues of race, representation, culture, and community in mass media and higher education, and has been published in academic journals including The Black Scholar, The Review of Communication, and FIRE!!! The Multimedia Journal of Black Studies.

Beyond her work in the academy, Felicia is an avid writer exploring issues of faith, identity, and justice in publications such as HuffPost, Faithfully Magazine, the Our Bible App, and more. Her mission is to empower others to imagine beautiful futures for those who are often overlooked. She accomplishes this through academic scholarship, editorial writing, and ministry work as an intercessory prayer warrior and small group leader. In September 2021, Felicia published her first book, First in the Family: Biblical Truths for Cycle Breakers with Leafwood Publishers. She lives in Houston, Texas, with her son, Omari, and their dog, Ray Charlie.

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Steve continues his 3 part series on Differentiation this week by looking at Enmeshment. What does it feel like to be enmeshed? What is it like for those we rabidly try to help? How can we move from enmeshed to balanced and well? 

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Steve Cuss is back with another episode featuring Carey Nieuwhof.

Carey Nieuwhof is a wise guide because of the way he listens, the way he thinks and what he has experienced. He runs the most sought after podcast for Christian leaders in the world and because of the caliber of his guests, he has a front row to some of the best wisdom available. Carey is a gifted interviewer, probing to get to the heart of his guests.

Carey is also a church planter, pastor and author. His recent book Didn’t See It Coming chronicles the challenges of leadership pressure and the book he is working on now shares the proactive side of keeping ahead of those challenges.

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Steve starts a series on Differentiation, first focusing on detachment. What it is, what it feels like to the other and tips to move toward the other when you want to detach. 

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Steve Cuss wraps up an incredible season by talking through practical resources for managing anxiety in your life. Steve talks through power tools like learning to pause, how to pay attention to narratives in your mind, and more.

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Lisa Nichols is the CEO and co-founder of Technology Partners (TPI), a Women-Business Enterprise and provider of premier IT staffing, solutions, and IT leadership development. Named among the Most Influential Business Women (by St. Louis Business Journal) this year, Lisa’s influence has been recognized by her peers and greater St. Louis community.

Lisa and her husband, Greg, founded Technology Partners in 1994 driven by their passion to revolutionize the staffing industry with their transparent business model. They co-lead the business today. Greg and Lisa have made it their priority from day one to create mutual wins for their employees, clients, and the communities in which Technology Partners operates.

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Amie Patrick has served in a wide variety of ministry roles and contexts for almost 30 years. She planted The Journey church in St. Louis, Missouri alongside her husband Darrin in 2001, and walked alongside Darrin in a restoration process after he was removed from leadership at The Journey in 2016. Since Darrin's sudden and tragic death in 2020, Amie has been navigating a new path of grief, single parenthood and living a meaningful life in the midst of unexpected loss. Amie is a mother to three daughters and a son, and is passionate about spiritual formation and equipping leaders for emotionally and spiritually healthy lives and ministries.

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Clare Steele is the CEO of Compassion Australia and has worked for over a decade in Christian ministry, following a successful business career. As both a professional and a mother, she has a passion for helping vulnerable children living in poverty and encouraging families in their walk with Christ.

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The Rt. Rev. Dr. Todd Hunter is the founding bishop of The Diocese of Churches for the Sake of Others, founder of The Telos Collective, and founder of the Center for Formation, Justice and Peace. He is past president of Alpha USA, former national director for the Association of Vineyard Churches, and retired founding pastor of Holy Trinity Anglican Church in Costa Mesa, CA. He is the author of Christianity Beyond Belief: Following Jesus for the Sake of Others, Giving Church Another Chance, The Outsider Interviews, The Accidental Anglican, Our Favorite Sins, Our Character at Work and Deep Peace.

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Originally from Australia, Mandy Smith is pastor of St Lucia Uniting Church, Brisbane, Australia and the author of "The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry" (IVP) and "Unfettered: Imagining a Childlike Faith Beyond the Baggage of Western Culture" (Brazos). Mandy and her husband, a New Testament professor, live with their family in a little house where the teapot is always warm. Learn more about Mandy’s work at www.TheWayisTheWay.org.

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Dr. Heather Thompson Day is an interdenominational speaker and has been a contributor for Religion News Service, Christianity Today, Newsweek and the Barna Group. She is also an Associate Professor of Communication at Andrews University and host of Viral Jesus, a podcast with Christianity Today. She is passionate about supporting women, and runs an online community called I’m That Wife which has over 200k followers. 

Heather’s writing has been featured on outlets like the Today Show, and the National Communication Association. She has been interviewed by BBC Radio Live and has been featured in Forbes. 

She believes her calling is to stand in the gaps of our churches for young people. She is the author of 7 books; including It’s Not Your Turn, and Confessions of a Christian Wife.

She resides in Michigan, with her husband, Seth Day, and their three children, London, Hudson, and Sawyer Day.

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Casey Tygrett has been involved in the work of spiritual formation for nearly 25 years. Through various positions in churches, seminaries, and para-church organizations, Casey’s work in writing and speaking have aligned to create content that is wise and helpful for the journey of life and faith.

He completed the Tending the Holy spiritual direction training program in 2015, and since then has provided spiritual direction to individuals both privately and as the Director of Spiritual Direction at Soul Care.

He is the author of two books, Becoming Curious: A Spiritual Practice of Asking Questions and As I Recall: Discovering the Place of Memories in Our Spiritual Life. The book As I Recall was awarded the 2020 Award of Merit in Spiritual Formation by Christianity Today.

Casey is the host of the otherWISE Podcast, collecting wise conversations for living well on the journey with Jesus.

He and his wife Holley have been married for over 20 years and have one daughter named Bailey. They live in south suburban Chicago, IL.

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Steve Carter is a pastor, speaker, author of The Thing Beneath The Thing, podcast host, and the former lead teaching pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Chicago.

He hosts the Craft & Character podcast where he helps people get better at the art of communication while ensuring their character always leads the way. His desire is to bring Jesus into every conversation and space he occupies. Steve co-hosts one of the top sports podcasts called The Home Team Podcast with ESPN sports anchor Sam Acho and NFL player Trey Burton which unpacks the intersection between faith, culture, sports and family.

With a degree in Biblical Studies from Hope International University, Steve has a heart for the local church. Currently an itinerant preacher and teacher for churches, conferences, events, camps, and retreats all over the country, Steve lives in Phoenix with his wife, Sarah, and their two kids. 

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Steve Cuss takes an intriguing look at the show Ted Lasso through the Systems Theory lens.

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Winn Collier, a pastor for 26 years, was the founding pastor of All Souls in Charlottesville, Virginia. Winn now serves as Associate Professor of Pastoral Theology & Christian Imagination and director of the Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination at Western Theological Seminary in Holland, Michigan. Winn has a PhD in religion and fiction from the University of Virginia and is the author of multiple books, including Love Big, Be Well: Letters to a Smalltown Church and A Burning in My Bones, the biography of Eugene Peterson.

Bliss describes himself as unremarkable, Pastor with All Souls Charlottesville, looking for signs of new creation, and a wannabe spiritual poet & theologian.

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Brian Virtue is a Professor at International Graduate School of Leadership living in Manila. He is a fan of Servant Leadership, Congregational Systems, and Cross-Cultural Training.

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"If we want to be well as human beings, we need to become aware of what's bubbling the surface in us." In this new episode, Steve Cuss is on the mic by himself giving us some basic tools for managing leadership anxiety. 

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Corporate business leader Preston Poore has more than two decades of upper-level management experience, including as director of franchise leadership at The Coca-Cola Company. He has also worked for The Hershey Company, Dale Carnegie Training, Ralston Purina, and AmSouth Bank.

In addition, Preston is a minority shareholder and small-business owner of Numerica Corporation, an air, missile, and space defense company based in Fort Collins, Colorado. He serves on the board of directors and as corporate secretary.

Preston is a certified John Maxwell Team coach, speaker, and trainer.

He served on a Young Life committee, was an elder and member of Fellowship Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, was a facilitator for Christian Leadership Concepts, and serves at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. Preston holds an MBA from Samford University and a BS in management from Colorado State University.

His corporate work has been recognized through many awards such as the Dale Carnegie Sales Talk Champion award; The Hershey Company’s President’s Cup, a coveted national sales award that Preston won twice; and The Coca-Cola Company’s Woodruff Cup, a global top performance award.

Preston is a member of Sigma Chi Fraternity and the Sons of the American Revolution.

His wealth of hard-won experience and training in both personal and professional development inspired Preston to transfer his business leadership acumen to the Christian community. Through the Discipled Leader book, blog, and podcast, he seeks to increase the discipleship and leadership skills of Christians across the country. 

Preston and his wife, Carla, daughter, Caroline, and son, Benton, live in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Tim Costello studied law and worked as a lawyer, later studying theology in Switzerland. He's a Baptist Minister living in Melbourne, Australia who has a high profile given his years of work on Social Justice and Mission.

Presently Tim is a Senior Fellow with the Centre for Public Christianity and the Executive Director of Micah Australia. He's written several books including his memoir, A Lot with a Little.

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Steve wraps up the season with a personal update and a couple of tools for the summer!

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Greg Holder is author of Never Settle, The Genius of One, co-creator of Advent Conspiracy and a contributing writer for The Voice Bible. He serves as lead pastor at The Crossing, reaching nearly 10,000 people in person and online, calling people from an unlikely mix of spiritual backgrounds to consider what it means to follow Jesus in today’s world.

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John and Amber Carroll have been partners in ministry and life for nearly 20 years.  During that time, they have discovered the depths of God’s love and the breadth of God’s grace.  They’ve also learned a lot about each other, as well as the beauty and challenges of working side-by-side in the local church. 

Amber holds a Master of Theology degree from Fuller Theological Seminary.  Since 2003, she has served the church in a variety of roles, including youth, worship, executive director and lead pastor.  Amber’s heartbeat is to see the local church thrive wherever and however it is planted. 

John holds a Master of Divinity from Asbury Theological Seminary.  His church roles include youth, spiritual formation and teaching pastor.  John currently serves as the Director of the School of Kingdom Living for Dallas Willard Ministries.  His heartbeat includes the two “ships” in life: DiscipleSHIP and RelationSHIP. 

John and Amber belong to the Evangelical Covenant Church.  They have two wonderful teenage kids and currently live in Melbourne, Florida.

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As a former convict who found God and reaped the benefits from an aftercare program in Arizona, Matt saw the great need for a similar kind of program here in the Midwest after moving to Wichita in 2011. After two years of prayer, planning, brick walls, and dead ends, God’s spirit began to move in a mighty way. An unlikely team of people was brought together, and doors that had been closed for years began to open. 

Matt and his wife Christina live in Shawnee, KS. with their two young sons. They have also been blessed with three grandsons from their older daughters. Matt is as a published author, preaches, and consults with organizations focusing on re-entry programming and church planting.

As the Executive Director, Matt provides visionary leadership and oversight for the ministry.

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Andrew Arndt is the Lead Pastor of New Life East (one of seven congregations of New Life Church in Colorado Springs), where he also hosts the Essential Church podcast, a weekly conversation designed to strengthen the thinking of church and ministry leaders. Prior to joining New Life’s team, he served as Lead Pastor of Bloom Church: a neo-monastic, charismatic, liturgical, justice-driven network of house churches in Denver. He received his MDiv from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and has written for Missio Alliance, Patheos, The Other Journal, and Mere Orthodoxy. He lives in the Springs with his wife Mandi and their four kids.

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The amazing Rich Stearns (online @RichStearns) joins Steve Cuss to talk about being fired as CEO twice in a year, rapidly learning while leading, global poverty, and his excellent new leadership book!

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Steve finishes his recent conversation on the dynamics of criticism as a follow-up to the previous two episodes.

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Criticism is a given for leaders, but that doesn't make it less painful. Criticism comes in all forms, some from inside us, like the inner critic, and some come at us. This is the second of a 3-part series where Steve gets personal and talks about the various forms of criticism.

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Criticism is a given for leaders, but that doesn't make it less painful. Criticism comes in all forms, some from inside us, like the inner critic, and some come at us. This is the first of a 3 part series where Steve gets personal and talks about the various forms of criticism. Today: The Inner Critic and Giants On Your Shoulders.

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Glenn Packiam is an Associate Senior Pastor at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and the Lead Pastor of one of its congregations, New Life Downtown. He is the author of six books, including “Worship and the World to Come” (IVP Academic, 2020) and “Blessed Broken Given: How Your Story Becomes Sacred in the Hands of Jesus” (Multnomah, 2019). Glenn earned a Doctorate in Theology and Ministry from Durham University, and is a Visiting Fellow at St. John’s College at Durham and an adjunct professor at Denver Seminary. Glenn was one of the founding worship leaders for the Desperation Band and has written over 65 worship songs published with Integrity Music, including “Your Name" (co-written with Paul Baloche) and "My Savior Lives" (co-written with Jon Egan). Glenn and his wife Holly and their four kids enjoy life in beautiful Colorado Springs, Colorado.

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Jack Shitama is an author, teacher, speaker and coach. His family systems approach to leadership helps congregational and nonprofit leaders achieve their best spiritually, physically and professionally. 

Jack is the author of Anxious Church, Anxious People: How to Lead Change in an Age of Anxiety and One New Habit, One Big Goal: Change Your Life in 10 Weeks.

Jack and his wife of 37 years, Jodi, have four children.

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Walt Rakowich is a leadership speaker and former executive of Prologis, a global real estate company that was near collapse when he took over as CEO in 2008. During the economic downturn, the Prologis stock had dropped from over $70 per share to approximately $2 per share in 10 months, making it the third-worst performing company in the S&P 500. After Walt joined as CEO, he quickly implemented a change in culture through transparency, orchestrating a dramatic turnaround and restoring its position in the industry.

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Steve is joined by guest AJ Sherrill, as well as Capable Life coach Jimmy Carnes. We chat Enneagram, anxiety, Anglicanism and of course we survive the gauntlet together.

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This week's guest: Jared Patrick Boyd is a pastor, spiritual director, and founder of the Order of the Common Life, a missional monastic order for the 21st Century. He is author of Imaginative Prayer: A Yearlong Guide to Your Child’s Spiritual Formation (IVP 2017). He and his wife have 4 girls and live in the west-side neighborhood of Franklinton in Columbus, OH. Jared chats with Steve about formation in kids, how you help a kid encounter God rather than just telling them about God. They also discuss urban ministry and systemic injustice and of course, as per usual, the Gauntlet. This episode also features a bonus case study from capablelife.me

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Dr. Alvin Sanders is President of World Impact and author of Uncommon Church as well as a pastor and urban leader. Dr Sanders talked systemic racism, the distraction of CRT and why a healthy, holistic local church is the best asset for an urban neighborhood. Of course, Dr Sanders gleefully submitted to the gauntlet of anxiety questions.

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Jenni Catron is a powerhouse because she helps people cultivate whole heart, high competence leadership. I loved this conversation with Jenni as she chatted 2021 leadership pressure, time management and of course, the Gauntlet. Jenni consults with teams and individuals to build team health and clarity. She founded the 4SiteGroup and has authored several books including her most recent, The Four Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership.

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Todd Lollar describes himself as a wheelchair-rolling, speech-impeded, cerebral-palsied minister of the gospel. He is author of 'Weak Is The New Strong' and founder of mobilizeministries.com. He joins Steve to talk overcoming weakness, how he disarms people to engage them and of course he gleefully submits to Steve's gauntlet of anxiety questions.

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On this episode the mics are turned as Aaron Keyes interviews Steve and two of his staff on how they integrate MLA into their staff experience and church life.'  And yeah, the audio is a little funky as we're sharing the audio from the 10,000 Fathers Podcast (with permission of course) and the audio is sketchy and it has Aaron Keyes as the host wrapping it up.

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Jon Chasteen is president of The King’s University and lead pastor of Victory Church, a multi-campus church based out of Oklahoma City. Passionate about empowering and equipping the local church through the preparation of Christlike servant-leaders, Dr. Chasteen desires to lead TKU’s faculty and administration with transparency and authenticity. Prior to arriving at TKU in 2018, his experience included seven years of pastoral leadership and six years of administrative leadership in Christian higher education.

Dr. Chasteen has three earned degrees, including a Doctor of Education from Oral Roberts University. He and his wife, Michele, are blessed to enjoy life with their two children, Corey and Jace.

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Rusty George is the Lead Pastor at Real Life Church in Southern California; a multi-site church with campuses in Canyon Country, Lancaster, Simi Valley, Valencia and a large online community.

Rusty is a global speaker, leader and teacher focusing his message on helping people find and follow Jesus. Rusty has also written several books and writes regularly on his site.

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Wade Mullen is an advocate, assistant professor, and author working to bring clarity and freedom to the confusion and captivity that marks abusive situations. His personal experience and ongoing scholarly research enables him to write with both care and expertise. He directs a Master of Divinity program that equips future leaders to emulate the Great Servant, who came not to be served but to serve.

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Tod Bolsinger, MDiv, PhD, is the Executive Director of the De Pree Center Church Leadership Initiative, a Senior Fellow of the De Pree Center for Leadership, and Associate Professor of Leadership Formation at Fuller Theological Seminary. Tod was the founder of the Fuller Leadership Platform, an innovative approach to online formation and leadership development and served as a Vice President of Fuller Seminary for six years. 

He is the author of four books, including the Outreach Magazine Resource of the Year in pastoral leadership, Canoeing the Mountains: Christian Leadership in Uncharted Territory, Leadership for a Time of Pandemic: Practicing Resilience and Tempered Resilience: How Leaders are Formed in the Crucible of Change.  He served as a pastor for 27 years. Bolsinger speaks, consults and is an executive coach for corporate, non-profit, educational and church organizations in transformational leadership. His blogs and other resources can be found at depree.org/church.  

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Dr Angie Ward and Emilie Knuass join me to talk about being a woman in church leadership. I learn what I need to know as a man, we talk gender dynamics and the pressure to diminish. Angie is a leadership veteran, author of I Am A Leader and Assistant Director of Denver Seminary's Doctoral program. Emilie Knauss is a preacher at our church, a former intern and is currently studying for her MDiv at Denver Seminary.

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Sean Palmer is Teaching Pastor at Ecclesia Church in Houston. He has authored several books including his most recent, Forty Days on Being a Three. A brief daily reader for Enneagram Threes. Sean took us deep into the vital topic of friendship and loneliness in ministry among other things. A delightful chat full of great wisdom. For those wanting more on these tools, Capablelife.me is now collecting interest for Beta membership.

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Rich Villodas, Lead Pastor of New Life Church, Missio Contributor, and author of this MUST READ book, "The Deeply Formed Life," joins me to talk politics, leadership in COVID, the broad aspects of formation, and of course my gauntlet of anxiety questions.

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Steve continues unpacking the exciting announcement from last week–don't miss out on this chance to learn more about how you can get an invitation to the 2021 initiative!

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Steve and Brendan announce some new tools coming in 2021. They also chat genograms, second order change, and verbatims. For more info on the 2021 initiative, email steve@stevecusswords.com.

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Deborah Smith Pegues is a CPA/MBA, certified John Maxwell Leadership Coach and Speaker,

certified behavior consultant, Bible teacher, and international speaker. She has written 17

transformational books, including the bestselling 30 Days to Taming Your Tongue (over one

million sold worldwide) and The One-Minute Money Mentor for Women. She and her husband,

Darnell, have been married for more than 40 years.

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Carey Nieuwhof is a wise guide because of the way he listens, the way he thinks and what he has experienced. He runs the most sought after podcast for Christian leaders in the world and because of the caliber of his guests, he has a front row to some of the best wisdom available. Carey is a gifted interviewer, probing to get to the heart of his guests.

Carey is also a church planter, pastor and author. His recent book Didn’t See It Coming chronicles the challenges of leadership pressure and the book he is working on now shares the proactive side of keeping ahead of those challenges. I loved learning from Carey on this episode!

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Derwin and Vicki Gray have a remarkable story of grace and redemption. Their lives are well designed for them to be the founding pastors of Transformation Church, a church which exemplifies the power of diversity. We discuss their remarkable story, how God has used their experiences and racial challenges.

Derwin has written several books, his most recent being The Good Life, an excellent treatment of the Beatitudes.

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Sharon Hersh is a Licensed Professional Counselor, author, speaker, seminary professor and recovering addict. Not necessarily in that order. Her recent book Beloved: Finding Our Way Back To One Another explores essential topics of shame, contempt, acceptance and love.

On this episode Sharon takes us deep quickly and helps us see how we get in our own way and how to break free and experience true connection with each other.

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Pete Scazzero is, in many ways, the modern Godfather of Family Systems Theory in the Church. In this episode Pete vulnerably shares about the power of genograms, differentiation of self and his own journey of emotional health.

Here is access to Pete’s genogram resources.

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JR Rozko is the Executive Director of The Telos Collective. He leads the Telos team in developing strategic vision, ministry initiatives, and relationships that reflect and extend the formational aims of Telos.

After 12 years of ministry in diverse local church contexts focused on youth, young adults, and congregational formation, JR co-founded Missio Alliance, a trans-tribal, partnership-driven initiative helping thousands of diverse church leaders connect and engage in formational theological conversations related to God’s mission in our day. During his 8.5 years as Missio’s National Director, he also served as chief convener of a landmark meeting, A Confessing Church Consultation: Discerning a Kingdom Way Forward for American Evangelicals, which produced the book, Calling for a Kingdom Evangelicalism.

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Scott Erickson is a touring painter, performance speaker, and creative curate who mixes autobiography, mythology, and aesthetics to create art and moments that speak to our deepest experiences.

Learn more at https://www.scottericksonart.com/

For more information about group coaching or custom webinars for your organization, email chriswillis@dc2.me

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Wesley Hill is associate professor of biblical studies at Trinity School for Ministry in Ambridge, Pennsylvania and a deacon at Trinity Episcopal Cathedral, Pittsburgh. His PhD in New Testament is from Durham University in the UK. He is the author of Washed and Waiting: Reflections on Christian Faithfulness and Homosexuality (Zondervan, second edition 2016), Paul and the Trinity: Persons, Relations, and the Pauline Letters (Eerdmans, 2015), Spiritual Friendship: Finding Love in the Church as a Celibate Gay Christian (Brazos, 2015), and The Lord's Prayer: A Guide to Praying to Our Father (Lexham, 2019). You can find those books here. A contributing editor for Comment magazine, he writes regularly for Christianity Today, The Living Church, and other publications.

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Jimmy Mellado is president of Compassion International and is simply one of the finest leaders I’ve met. Compassion International is of course known for its incredible child sponsorship program, but it is equally a champion of church leaders around the world, including leaders in western countries.

In this interview, Jimmy shared about his own journey and how his personal narrative profoundly impacts his leadership. Compassion International has churches around the world waiting for partnerships to help serve kids and communities. Your church can learn more here.

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Dr. Henry Cloud is a leadership expert, clinical psychologist and New York Times bestselling author. His 45 books, including the iconic Boundaries, have sold nearly 15 million copies worldwide. He has lived and led in the intersection of leadership, theology and psychology longer than some of us have lived.

He recently launched churchesthatheal.com to equip churches to navigate the ever increasing mental health crisis. Henry gave concrete guidelines on how to stay well in ambiguity and his wife Tori even joined for the Gauntlet Round.

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Steve is joined by sometimes-cohost and fellow facilitator, Brendan Reed. They chat on why some people grow and some don’t –and some simple tools to help you grow when you’re stuck, bored, or burned out.

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Steve is joined by sometimes cohost and fellow facilitator, Brendan Reed. They chat about two sources of anxiety: ambiguity and grief, how they operate, and some tools to get through.

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Steve Wiens is an author, pastor and overall top bloke who helps people take their faith as seriously as their doubt. His most recent book Shining Like The Sun focuses on practices to rekindle faith. I so appreciate Steve's emphasis on reconstruction in a world of deconstruction and on this episode he gives so many helpful thoughts for doubters who are genuinely hungry for an encounter with God.

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Sam Allberry first came to my attention when he spoke at the Church of England General Synod about his experience as a clergy who is same sex attracted. In that brief speech, I discovered a nuanced, caring, thoughtful man whose work is profoundly personal and profoundly impacted by the Gospel. On this episode we have a LGBTQ conversation and Sam also lets us in on his inner world and how the Gospel brings freedom in his life. A poignant episode on so many levels.

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Dr. Wes Beavis, has served for decades as a pastor in the United States and Australia. He is a licensed clinical psychologist who specializes in helping pastors navigate the ministry journey and guiding church leaders through crisis situations.

He has clinical expertise in diagnosing and treating the symptoms of ministry burnout. Wes earned his doctorate from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology majoring in Applied Clinical Psychology. His Master of Arts in Marriage and Family Therapy is from Hope International University.

Wes is married to Ellie, a Marriage and Family Therapist, and their private practices are in Newport Beach, California. They have two sons: David and his wife, Laura, both serve at a church in Oregon, and Zack attends medical school in Arizona.

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Christine Caine is a powerhouse of a preacher and author, a fierce advocate of people trapped in sex slavery and an empower of women. Christine is the founder of A21 a global organization eradicating human trafficking through awareness, intervention, and aftercare. She also leads Propel Women.

Coming from a background of profound pain and abuse, Christine is an inspiring example of the power of the Gospel not only to heal, but to deploy as a healer. Some of our most powerful Gospel leaders are those who have been the most transformed. It was an honour, in this Aussie season, to learn from Christine and, like all my guests, she beautifully navigated the Gauntlett!

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We launch our Season of Aussies! With the wonderful Dr. Jenny Brown, PhD. Jenny is the founder of The Family Systems Institute in Sydney, Australia and has worked as a social worker and family therapist since the early 1980s. She is well regarded in Australia for her training in Murray Bowen’s Family Systems Theory. Jenny is currently developing parent coaching programs and systems training for those in Family Businesses; and church and pastoral work.

Jenny’s research looks at parents’ experience of their adolescents’ mental health treatment. Her book Growing Yourself Up is an excellent, accessible and profound dive into Systems Theory and her most recent work is a collaborative effort, Bowen Family Systems Theory in Christian Ministry.

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Chuck Degroat has for me, quickly become not just a trusted voice, but an essential go-to voice for church leadership. He is a pastor, therapist and scholar, but also: unpretentious, curious, and articulate. His work is forged from a deep place. His latest effort When Narcissism Comes to Church is a must read. Chuck encourages us all to examine ourselves, but also builds a path of hope for narcissism. If you're looking for an excellent step into contemplative prayer, Chuck has a fantastic video guide. Also, Chuck willfully and perhaps even gleefully embraced the Gauntlett of Anxiety.

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Dave Runyon, co-author of Art Of Neighboring serves in a unique role in this unique time. Dave facilitates collaborations between pastors, government leaders and business people to serve cities and people on the margins. Dave's City Unite network has made impacts in areas of childhood hunger, foster care, affordable housing and more. Dave is currently serving between the Governor of his state and hundreds of pastors and brings a unique perspective on the impact of COVID19. Dave created a downloadable PDF to help anyone take tangible steps toward their neighbors during this time.

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Matt Rawlins spent 20 years working in missions in Asia and the Pacific, where he submerged himself in different cultures and worked with people from a variety of diverse backgrounds. In his work, Matt became fascinated by people’s reactions to tension and uncertainty. His questions around how leaders show up and be fully present in the midst of tension led Matt to more deeply study change. He finished his PhD in leadership and communication from the University of Wales in 2001.

Since then, Matt has made it a priority to help people understand who they are in God and how to express Him in whatever challenging situation their faith finds them in. He's found that if people can prepare for those moments of greatest uncertainty, then they can offer the very best of who they are instead of reacting out of fear.

Matt, has written 16 books exploring inquiry-based leadership, how to lead in the midst of the unknown, and how to dismantle assumptions to create space for growth. Currently, he splits his time between working with churches and missions agencies and consulting with large corporations on how to lead their companies forward in the midst of a rapidly changing world.

He has been married to Celia for 36 years, and they have a son who lives in Hawaii with his wife.

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The Rt. Rev. Dr. Todd Hunter is the founding bishop of The Diocese of Churches for the Sake of Others and founder and leader of The Telos Collective. He is past President of Alpha USA, former National Director for the Association of Vineyard Churches, retired founding pastor of Holy Trinity Anglican Church in Costa Mesa, CA. Todd has written a number of books including The Accidental Anglican, Our Favorite Sins, and Our Character at Work.

Todd holds a Doctor of Ministry degree and serves as an adjunct professor of evangelism, leadership in contemporary culture and spiritual formation at George Fox University, Fuller Seminary, Western Seminary, Vanguard University, Azusa Pacific University and Wheaton College. Todd and his wife, Debbie, have two adult children and live in Franklin, Tennessee.

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Doug and Julie Crozier are founders of The Solomon Foundation, a ministry that uses investments to help churches establish and grow to the next step. Doug is CEO and he is a particularly gifted visionary, organizational builder and developer of staff culture. Our church is a partner and beneficiary of TSF and I have seen up close, Doug’s values imbued into every team member of TSF. I was excited to talk to both Doug and Julie together. While Doug is the official and upfront leader, Julie is a force of nature bringing balance and wisdom to the ministry.

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Murray Bowen, founder of Family Systems Theory developed 8 concepts to guide and explain how we think and act. Understanding and putting into practice these 8 concepts can really revolutionize your relationship with people and with anxiety.

This episode is part 2 of 2 as we cover the last 4 of the 8 concepts. Hosted by Steve Cuss and Brendan Reed.

Links referenced in both episodes:

How to make and lead a Genogram Video kit (Use PODCAST coupon code for discount)

MLA Episode featuring Rich Villodas

MLA Episode featuring Jim Herrington

MLA Episode featuring Trisha Taylor

Emotionally Healthy Leadership The Leader’s Journey

8 Concepts of Bowen Theory book Generation to Generation

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Murray Bowen, founder of Family Systems Theory developed 8 concepts to guide and explain how we think and act. Understanding and putting into practice these 8 concepts can really revolutionize your relationship with people and with anxiety.

This episode is part 1 of 2 as we cover 4 of the 8 concepts. Hosted by Steve Cuss and Brendan Reed.

Links referenced in both episodes:

How to make and lead a Genogram Video kit (Use PODCAST coupon code for discount)

MLA Episode featuring Rich Villodas

MLA Episode featuring Jim Herrington

MLA Episode featuring Trisha Taylor

Emotionally Healthy Leadership The Leader’s Journey

8 Concepts of Bowen Theory book Generation to Generation

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My guest this week, Dave Ferguson is a pastor and an entrepreneurial genius. A lot of leaders have compelling vision, but what sets Dave apart is his ability to turn that vision into robust, healthy, reproducing organization. Dave is the co founder and lead pastor of Community Christian Church in Naperville, Illinois. He also built and leads the NewThing Network, a robust global church planting movement. Dave also built the Exponential Conference, equipping church planting leaders around the world. Dave has written several great books. His book Hero Maker: The Five Essential Practices For Leaders to Develop Leaders has been profoundly helpful among our staff. Dave and his wife, Sue, have three kids (Amy, Joshua and Caleb).

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My guest this week, Rich Villodas, leads us through a fantastic conversation on the power of genograms and differentiation and gives us concrete tools to help us navigate our emotional and anxious worlds. Rich shares profound thoughts that will help us engage deeper with our true self. One of my favorite interviews! Rich is the lead pastor of New Life Fellowship, a large, multiracial church with more than seventy-three countries represented in Elmhurst, Queens. His book The Deeply Formed Life is available for pre order and releases in September. Prior to becoming lead pastor, he gave oversight to New Life's small group ministry and served as preaching pastor. Rich has a BA in pastoral ministry and theology from Nyack College and an MDiv from Alliance Theological Seminary. He enjoys reading widely, and preaching and writing on contemplative spirituality, justice-related issues, and the art of preaching. He's been married to Rosie since 2006 and they have two beautiful children, Karis and Nathan.

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Jeff Goins is the author of five books including the The Art of Work and Real Artists Don’t Starve. He helps creators and entrepreneurs with tools to get their work seen and established. As you’ll hear in this interview, Jeff has much hard fought wisdom for faith leaders who have a passion to make an impact with their work. This was a delightful interview.

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This week, Darrin and Aimee Patrick join me to discuss leadership pressure, coming back from the bottom, how to know when you're ready, the impact of one person's decision on another and all things leadership Anxiety. 

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Sean Palmer is a pastor, author and enneagram facilitator who currently serves at Ecclesia Church in Texas. His book Unarmed Empire is a must read for a young faith leader. Sean discussed his latest study - Enneagram and public speaking and of course he kindly endured my gauntlet.

Info and Tickets for 2 Day MLA Workshop

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Dr Mark D Roberts currently leads the Depree Center for Leadership. is one of those mentors from a distance I have appreciated for years.

Pastor, Leader, Scholar, not necessarily in any order! Dr Roberts has a PhD in New Testament from Harvard University. I am always grateful for pastor/scholars - they are such a gift to the church. Dr Roberts brings tremendous wisdom and candor in this episode discussing leadership challenges. One of my favorites!

Tickets for 2 Day MLA workshop here. 

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Gabe and Rebekah are a powerhouse of innovation and insight. I LOVED sitting down with them to hear their thoughts. Gabe's book UnChristian was groundbreaking when it was released. He is also the founder of Q Ideas. Rebekah has also written multiple books including her latest outstanding work, Rhythms of Renewal

Tickets for 2 Day MLA Workshop are here.

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Robbie Seay is a worship leader, songwriter, touring professional musician, pastor and church consultant. A Renaissance man! I have been a fan of Robbie's craft for years - his songwriting, vocal and the tones he puts on his albums....I just love all of it.

Robbie brings a wealth of experience and wisdom to this interview. We cover a range of topics - making space for creativity, the cost of excellence, the theology of worship and of course, my gauntlet. Also, it bears mentioning, Robbie's dog visited us a few times throughout the interview even though she didn't always show up in the edits. HOWEVER, I affirm her cuteness, her Australianness and her tale. 

Other links:

MLA Workshop Info

Monday Morning Podcast featuring Dave Bindewald

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Dr. JP Moreland is most known as one of the world's pre eminent Christian philosophers and apologists. He has written countless books on the topic and has taught at Biola University for decades. Most recently, his focus has moved to the nature of anxiety, a topic deeply personal to him. I highly recommend his incredible book Finding Quiet. Not only is his own personal journey gripping, but he offers many concrete tools to help us get unstuck and free. I have loved and benefited from JP's work for years and was honored to hear his thoughts on anxiety.

JP references You Are Not Your Brain by Dr. Jeffrey Schwartz.

2 Day Workshop early bird rate ends Dec 22nd.

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Two simple, game changing tools to help de escalate anxiety that anyone can use. Often on the show I interview a guest or sometimes teach a concept. This episode simply explains how to use a Life Giving List if you're running on empty or fumes and how to use a workload scrub to gain clarity on how much you are carrying, how long it is taking and how to begin to narrow workload and focus on what matters most.  

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Dr Russell Moore is the President of the Southern Baptist Convention Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, a position he has held since 2013. He is also the author of many excellent books including Adopted For Life and his latest, The Storm Tossed Family.

Speaking of storms, it seems that Dr Moore has been navigating non stop storms in his role and his does it with tremendous poise, grace and thoughtfulness. I appreciate his posture and clarity, he is a necessary voice in these anxious times.

Also, coming March 2020, a 2 day facilitated workshop for those wanting to dig deep into pressures and triggers that bubble under the surface in you and others.

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Jack Holland was the first to teach me "Second Order Change," a powerful tool to break stuck patterns in a family or team. He also discusses a technique from narrative therapy that helps him stay curious and in a rookie posture, not an expert posture. Here are some resources that can help with second order change.

Also, coming March 2020, a 2 day workshop to help you manage anxiety, yours and theirs.

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Costi Hinn grew up the wealth and indulgence of the prosperity gospel, groomed for success by his father and famous uncle, Benny Hinn. Costi has a powerful story written most recently in God, Greed and the Prosperity Gospel. He shares candidly about his upbringing, but also about how God used doubt, love and kindness to help him turn from a life of wealth and indulgence to a life of true freedom in Christ. Costi is now Executive Pastor of Discipleship at Redeemer Bible Church in Gilbert, AZ.

For our upcoming MLA workshop, click here for tickets and more info.

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My guest Tod Bolsinger is Vice President and Chief of Leadership Formation and Associate Professor of Leadership Formation at Fuller Seminary and holds a M.Div and PhD from Fuller. He is author of numerous books, most famously Canoeing The Mountains an outstanding leadership book and, in my opinion, one of the best of all time!

Also, coming in March 2020, the Managing Leadership Anxiety Workshop. Click for tickets and more details.

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Second Order Change is a powerful tool a leader can use to break stuck, recurring patterns in yourself, your relationships and your organization. I first learned it through two books: Change: Principles of Problem Formation and Problem Resolution and Brief Therapy with Intimidating Cases.

In this episode, Brendan Reed and Steve chat through what it is and share some examples of how it can work.

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Kadi Cole is a world class leadership consultant and developer. With a background in medical leadership, a master's in Human Resources and a recently published excellent book Developing Female Leaders, Kadi brings a ton of wisdom to the topic of men and women in leadership. Regardless of your theological point of view, Kadi has something to teach all of us on this episode.

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Another reading from Ed Friedman's wonderful book of fables. Today, "The Bridge" and Cinderella's Step Mother addressing a national association of Therapists. 

For more, check out www.stevecusswords.com

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Dr Brenda Salter McNeil is an essential voice in today's church. She is a force of reconciliation, scholar, pastor, author. I am thrilled to be joined by her to discuss acute vs chronic anxiety, systemic and personal racial challenges, making mistakes in public and more. 

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Jorge is Lead Pastor of Grace Church, one of the largest Methodist churches in the country. He also has served numerous times on their commission 'On A Way Forward. OAWF is designed to help the Methodist movement clarify their approach and relationship to LGBTQ people while navigating significant personal and theological differences. 

Jorge discusses that and other leadership lessons. 

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DJ Chuang joins me today to discuss minority and majority culture, the unique attributes of shame in different cultures, naive pastors, mental illness and more. 

DJ is a gift to the Kingdom. He writes and speaks on these topics extensively and you can connect with him at his website above. Also, be sure to check out his fantastic podcast, Erasing Shame. 

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Season 3 kicks off with Drew Dyck, author of the fantastic book Your Future Self Will Thank You.

In the book, Drew looks at brain science and the Bible to help us understand why we procrastinate, how will power works and how we can forge healthy habits.

Drew gives us great nuggets from the book and submits himself to my new improved season 3 gauntlet of anxiety questions.

Also, coming May 2020, a 2 day Managing Leadership Anxiety conference in Denver. Want to know more? Email steve@stevecusswords.com

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Our season finale. I invite my wife and 3 kids to come on and chat chronic vs acute anxiety, how each of us can tell when the other is anxious, places where we're never anxious and more! Teen and pre teen anxiety on the finale. After this, see you in September!

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Steve discusses Ed Friedman and why he thinks Friedman's Fables is his best work. Steve also reads two fables from the book. 

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Kathy is a fellow faith leader here in Broomfield - she is co founder and co pastor of “The Refuge” - a faith community right here in Broomfield.    But she’s probably best known as an author, speaker and blogger. Kathy wrote Down We Go and Faith Shift. She has helped countless people navigate the very common experience of doubt and disorientation in faith. She has a point of view and a way of speaking that the wider faith community needs to hear.

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Want more resources and some free downloadable tools and templates? Head over to Stevecusswords.com

Today's guest Max Lucado literally needs no introduction. His recent book Anxious For Nothing is vintage Max - clear, compelling, helpful and grace-filled. While Max is famous for his word craft and message of grace, he is also an experienced faith leader with many decades under his belt. We spend most of the episode digging into leadership anxiety together.

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Dr Robert Creech is a professor and author who has spent decades helping faith leaders integrate Family Systems Theory into their work. His recent book Family Systems And Congregational Life is a creative and highly practical application of Bowen Theory for any faith leader, specifically pastoral leaders.

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Fr Gregory Boyle of Homeboy Industries joins me to discuss his work with people coming out of gangs, human fear and leadership anxiety. Not surprisingly, Fr G drops all manner of gold in this episode. I caught him at home and unfortunately the audio quality is not great, but Fr G sure was. iHis most recent book, Barking to the Choir is outstanding.

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Brian is president of America's Kids Belong, a remarkable organization whose mission is to 'change who waits.' Instead of kids in foster care waiting for loving families to adopt them, AKB is working to have loving families waiting for kids. Brian's leadership journey is unique in a couple of facets: 

  • his passion for health and wellbeing for a productive leader

  • anxiety caused by massive success

  • his ability to share a compelling message in a world flooded with charitable options.

Also, if you haven't had a chance, do us a big one and leave a quick review whereever you get your podcasts!

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Want to dig deeper into the book, then you want the video series that guides a group through the tools in the book. That and more here. For a 15% discount, use PODCAST in the coupon code during check out.

The book is out and you can buy it here or anywhere you get your books. (Note: Amazon link sends a portion of proceeds to my church.)

Interested in a Church Residency/Internship? Apply at Discovery here.

Meanwhile, we dig into double binds - how they are an internal AND relational source of anxiety and how to get through them.

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Dr Andrew Newberg is a Neurotheologian - a Neurologist who specializes in how faith affects the brain and how the brain affects faith. He is the author of many books including Words Can Change Your Brain, which he recommends for people of faith.

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Shane is a New Testament theologian who teaches at Ozark Christian College and is author of Between Two Trees, an exception book on life, pain and redemption that lies between the trees of Genesis and Revelation. Shane tackles that, his own healing, the challenge of technology on our anxiety and many other topics in this episode.

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Richard Beck is Professor and Department Chair of Psychology at Abilene Christian University, blogger extraordinaire at Experimental Theology and author of numerous fascinating books that you can find here. Seriously, just pick one that strikes you and read it. You'll be better for it. 

We chatted all things leadership, the pressure millennials face and why Richard doesn't like being asked about getting away from it all. A super fun episode with a brilliant thinker. 

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Nate is pastor and also author of the brand new book More Than You Can Handle.

In this episode we cover early ministry mistakes, growing from self aware to truly transformed, when a leader shares her or his own struggles and when to wait, and our usual gauntlet of anxiety questions

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Mandy is the author of The Vulnerable Pastor and also Lead Pastor at University Christian Church. She is also a fellow Aussie!

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Newer to Systems theory and diagnosing the source of your leadership anxiety? This episode is a Q&A with a youth ministry team who started listening to this podcast and came with some key questions.

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Childhood vows, how they can keep us stuck and how to begin to move past them

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Part 2 of our ongoing conversation of "Source of Internal Anxiety." We believe that if you can name the source of anxiety, you can gain power over it and move through it. Today we cover 3 sources: values violation, judgement and the giants on your shoulders. 

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Laura helps us understand Generalized Anxiety Disorder, brain function, medicine and tools to move through it. She also talks leadership and what is life giving for her. 

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Scot shares about his decision to speak out over Willow Creek and Bill Hybels, he also addresses gender issues and he talks about how an academic experiences anxiety. 

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Internal Family Systems, Narcissism in leaders and pastors (oh my!) and how to begin to notice the parts of yourself that need attention. Loneliness, rage, impact on others. Chuck covers a lot of ground in this fantastic interview. https://chuckdegroat.net

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Geoff and Sherry join me to discuss imposter syndrome, making mistakes and tools to notice and de escalate anxiety.  

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Jay joins me to dive into differentiation. What it is and how to try it. We also cover leadership anxiety and my usual gauntlet of questions

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Ron has led in a high variety of contexts and brings wisdom to leadership health, triggers and how to move toward health. 

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Luke discusses doubt while preaching, how pain multiplies, the danger of cynicism and mistakes he has made. 

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Sources of Internal Anxiety Part 1: Public mistakes, vulnerability and blindspot knowledge. A conversation between producer Brendan Reed and Steve Cuss

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Nancy talks anxiety in groups, phantom strikes and the importance of losing track of time to refresh your soul. Oh, and surfing and of course, anxiety triggers. 

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Glenn Packiam joins us for an engaging chat about genograms, what they are and how they help. Glenn also discusses the impact of acute events on the life of a leader and how they affect the culture of your organization. 

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Makoto Fujimura joins me to talk about how art and beauty relieve leadership Anxiety. He also discusses not just doubt in God, but betrayal and the grace that you can find on the other side of betrayal. Finally, Makoto kindly digs into my gauntlet of questions on his own anxiety triggers. 

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Marshall Shelley, currently at Denver Seminary, previously at Leadership Journal and Christianity Today joins me for a rigorous discussion on leadership anxiety. Marshall brings a wealth of experience and wisdom as we cover a variety of topic and of course as he cheerfully engages my gauntlet of questions on anxiety and triggers. 

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Kay Warren is our inaugural guest and she dives in deep as she covers acute anxiety, how a leader manages personal tragedy while leading, how trauma forever shifts a person and of course, my gauntlet of questions on her own anxiety triggers and what brings her life and joy. Note, I had some audio issues, so I overdubbed my questions for better audio clarity, but it can sound as if I am a little disconnected since it is an overdub. Kay was compelling from start to finish. 

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Producer Brendan Reed sits down with Steve Cuss to discuss this material - how is it helpful to listeners, some example tools and general overview. They discuss Steve's early leadership encounters that began this journey and also his new book coming out in 2019.

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Introduction to brand new podcast: Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs.

Leaders face all manner of internal and external pressures to do something but often what we end up doing has more to do with quelling our own anxiety than what the situation requires. This brief episode explains what this podcast will be about and how tools to help internal triggers and relational patterns can help us in our leadership.