Physicians Beyond the Bedside™: Recent Episodes

Norman Chapin

A podcast for physicians interested in non-clinical careers. The host will interview physicians that have transitioned to full or part time non-clinical roles. Experts in various fields will also provide physicians with insight into special considerations regarding various non-clinical roles. Each week a different role will be described in more detail for listeners. A section of the podcast will be reserved for questions from listeners.

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I am excited to introduce Dr. Luissa Kiprono, DO, MBS, MBA, FACOG, as my guest.

Luissa is the CEO and Founder of TeleMed MFM and its parent company, World Gateway Perinatal Consultants. She has been specializing in telehealth and telemedicine within the maternal-fetal medical field through her private practice since September 2022.

Luissa and I have become acquainted over the past few months through projects we have worked on together. She joins me to share the captivating story behind her current role and explain how she empowers women and adds value to healthcare.

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My guest, Matt Denenberg, MD, MHA, MA, MS-HQS, CPE, is a dual board-certified physician in both Emergency Medicine and Pediatrics. Matt has held many physician leadership roles in healthcare organizations. He recently transitioned into the role of Chair and Chief of Pediatrics at Corewell Health.

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Today my guest is Setul G. Patel, MD, MBA, a physician colleague of mine. He is an emergency medicine physician who has founded or co-founded many businesses. Setul has a passion for people and to improve healthcare for those in the U.S. and across the world.

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My guest, Karen J. Nichols, DO, has held many leadership roles during her career and is a sought-after speaker, coach, and mentor. She shares her wisdom regarding physician leadership in her journey.

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In this episode, I discuss the seven ways joining a mastermind group can advance your career. I address how to join or form a mastermind based on the process and area of focus.

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“We have here in this business a mastermind. It is not my mind, and it is not the mind of any other man on my staff, but the sum total off all these minds…” - Andrew Carnegie

Show Highlights:

  • Seven ways a mastermind group can advance your career:
  • Support, guidance, and encouragement
  • Accountability
  • Accelerates success
  • Expands your network
  • Leadership training
  • Complex problem solving
  • Synergy

  • Determine how to join or form a mastermind based on the process and area of focus.

  • Review the meeting format.
  • Masterminds are not 1:1 coaching, group coaching or networking events.
  • Discover why you can achieve more by joining or forming a mastermind alliance.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

A Physician discovers the Power of Mastermind Groups

Business Mastermind Groups - Tony Robbins

How to harness: The Power of Association in a Mastermind Alliance

Mastermind from BootStrapMD

Mastermind Group Rules

The Mastermind Process

What is a Mastermind and How to Start Your own Group

What is a Mastermind Group?

Women's Health and Leadership

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

Free 30 Minute Coaching Introductory Session

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Today my guest is Pranay Parikh, MD, a full-time physician, Co-Founder and President of Ascent Equity Group, online course creator, and host of the From MD to Entrepreneur Podcast. He shares how he practices medicine on his own terms and helps physicians to build generational wealth.

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Just get started and if something sounds interesting, go for it. Do not feel any worry or shame in trying to pivot as an entrepreneur.

Show Highlights:

  • Pranay realized very early in his career that he had a need to diversify his income in order to realize his goals and aspirations.
  • Why it’s important to have a side hustle despite having a high-paying job.
  • How he splits his time between nocturnist hospitalist work and real estate investing.
  • His partnership with Peter Kim, MD, in real estate as a source of financial freedom.
  • Pranay shares his passion for hosting the From MD to Entrepreneur podcast.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

27: Create multiple non-clinical income streams

Pranay Parikh

Pranay Parikh – LinkedIn

Ascent Equity Group

From MD to Entrepreneur Podcast

Passive Income MD

Passive Real Estate Academy

Bigger Pockets

Bootstrap MD

The Real Estate Physician

The White Coat Investor

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

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This episode is from a lecture I provided in June of 2022 for the University of Tennessee Physician Executive MBA Program (PEMBA). I completed the PEMBA program in 2008. I was invited back this year to discuss how to leverage an MBA in order to discover opportunities in healthcare for physicians.

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There are many different opportunities in healthcare for physicians with an MBA to find a satisfying role.

Show Highlights:

  • Identify specific roles within healthcare organizations where the MBA is an advantage.
  • How to discuss your reasons for completing the MBA when speaking with healthcare administrators.
  • How to determine the best role for you.
  • Additional factors to take into consideration when applying for non-clinical roles within healthcare organizations.
  • Understanding the organization’s culture regarding physician leadership and the expectations.
  • Please refer to Leverage your MBA: Opportunities in Healthcare for Physicians.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Leverage your MBA: Opportunities in Healthcare for Physicians

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

09: How to discover the hidden job market

11: Non-clinical opportunities in Pharma

14: A non-clinical career in population health

16: CMIO: the best role for you?

18: Leveraging the MBA for career advancement

26: Effective decision making

27: Create multiple non-clinical income streams

31: Interim physician executive roles

33: The role of a Chief Quality Officer

Donald Lighter – LinkedIn

Physician Executive MBA Haslam College of Business University of Tennessee

50 Best Online MBA's for Physicians

Best Online MBA Programs for Physicians

Executive MBA's for Physicians - Look for Zebras

Top Executive MBA Programs for Physicians - Healthcare Management

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

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I’m addressing the topic of leading change in healthcare organizations. We will be discussing organizational change, the different types and causes of organizational change, and the role of a physician leader in change. In addition, we will review key steps in change management.

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The physician leader plays a crucial role in successfully communicating the need for change, especially for processes that impact physician workflow in the organization.

Show Highlights:

  • The importance of physicians leading change in healthcare organizations.
  • Review of some of the major changes in healthcare today.
  • Learn how to implement change in a healthcare organization.
  • Know when and how to communicate changes to others.
  • Tips for developing a successful change management plan.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

5 Critical Steps in the Change Management Process

Common Types of Organizational Change & How to Manage Them

Healthcare Change in 2022: The Need for Leadership

How Covid-19 affected change management in healthcare

Leading Change by John P. Kotter

John P. Kotter on Accelerating Change

Leading Physicians Through Change: How to Achieve and Sustain Results by Mary Jane Kornacki and Jack Silversin

Organizational Change Management: What it is & why it’s important

Top trends of future healthcare changes in 2022

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

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Today my guest is Mike Kramer, MD, MBA, a former boss and colleague of mine. He is a clinically trained health system leader with a background in IT, quality, and clinical change. He also has a track record of driving high quality system wide digital platform implementations and standardized reliable care.

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“Roles may require transitions and relocations. Consider your flexibility and tolerance for change especially if you are not going to maintain practice.”

Show Highlights:

  • Mike describes his past role as the first Chief Medical Informatics Officer (CMIO) at 4 major health systems across the northern Midwest.
  • He shares about his recent transition from his role at OhioHealth as System CMIO.
  • How Mike prepared for leadership roles and why he pursued an MBA (Master of Business Administration).
  • Why moving into a new role required a high level of commitment and the reasons why he might have maintained his clinical practice longer.
  • Mike discusses the advantages of EMR's (digital health solutions) and how to minimize the stress for physicians.
  • Why it’s important to have a sponsor within the organization.
  • How to deal with changes in organizational leadership (develop relationships).

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

16: CMIO: the best role for you?

Mike Kramer – LinkedIn

A List of Fellowships in Clinical Informatics

ACGME Clinical Informatics Programs US

ACGME-I Program Requirements for GME in Clinical Informatics

AMIA informatics fellowships

University of California San Francisco Informatics Program

University of Michigan Masters Health Informatics

University of Minnesota Family Medicine Clinical Informatics

www.HIMSS.org

www.KLASresearch.com

Inspired: How to Create Tech Products Customers Love by Marty Cagan

The Data Detective: Ten Easy Rules to Make Sense of Statistics by Tim Harford

The Practical Coach: Management Skills for Everyday Life by Paula J. Caproni

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

Free 30 Minute Coaching Introductory Session

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I’m addressing the different types of coaching and how to determine which one may be right for you. I also discuss the return on investment (ROI) for coaching and the value that many of us receive from coaching.

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“Coaching done well may be the most effective intervention designed for human performance.” - Atul Gawande

“Become a coach, not a king. A coach brings out the best in others, helping them to reach down deep inside and discover their potential. A king only gives commands.” - John C. Maxwell

Show Highlights:

  • A coach is a thinking partner who works for you and with you to help you reach your best vision for yourself.
  • How a coach can help you navigate the challenges and obstacles that you face in order to achieve your goals.
  • Why coaching is not a mentoring relationship or counseling.
  • How to determine the right type of coaching for you.
  • The benefits of individual versus group coaching.
  • With burnout rates in healthcare at an all-time high, executive coaching is a sound investment.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

19: Stress Free MD

21: Transitioning to a non-clinical career

24: Coaching physicians through career transitions

28: A career as a medical malpractice coach

34: From physician burnout to serenity

Dr. Dike Drummond - Physician Coach and Healthcare Speaker

Dr. Robyn Tiger - Life Coach

Dr. Serene Shereef - Coach for High Performers

Coaching Federation - Find a Coach

Physician Coaching Institute - Coach Directory

The #1 Doctor Directory for Coaches, Consultants, and Mentors

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

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Today my guest is Dr. Serene Shereef, trauma acute care surgeon, mom, and a life by design transformational coach who helps high performing women struggling with burnout and overwhelm. Serene shares how she developed her mindfulness and productivity systems and her unique approach to coaching that has helped many high performing women create their dream life.

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“The coaching I received gave me the permission to say that it's okay to do something that I needed for my own health and wellness and to live my life in a way that was meaningful for me. I loved being a surgeon, but I realized that being a surgeon was actually making it almost impossible for me to be a human.”

Show Highlights:

  • Serene describes her current role as a locums surgeon and life coach.
  • She shares how she developed the MAPS (mindfulness and productivity systems) framework.
  • Why Serene selected her coach and realized the need for coaching.
  • How Serene’s experience with burnout manifested and how she recognized the symptoms.
  • She shares how burnout manifests differently in different genders and different specialties.
  • Her unique approach to coaching that has helped many high performing women create their dream life.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Serenity Wellness MD

Mindfulness and Productivity Systems Podcast

Serene Shereef – Facebook

Serene Shereef – LinkedIn

Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear

Brene Brown books

Breaking The Habit of Being Yourself: How to Lose Your Mind and Create a New One by Dr. Joe Dispenza

Designing Your Life: How to Build a Well-Lived, Joyful Life by Bill Burnett and Dave Evans

Fierce Self-Compassion: How Women Can Harness Kindness to Speak Up, Claim Their Power, and Thrive by Dr. Kristin Neff

The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

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I’m addressing the topic of a Chief Quality Officer (CQO) role in healthcare organizations. We will be discussing common prerequisites and skills and interests that would make you well suited. In addition, there is training that you may consider to prepare for and assume the role of a CQO.

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“The Chief Quality Officer serves a key role in helping an organization achieve quality outcomes and has become recognized as an important role in healthcare organizations.”

Show Highlights:

  • How the many regulatory and external forces on healthcare make it imperative that a healthcare organization focus on the quality of outcomes.
  • The importance of employee safety, psychological safety, and patient safety.
  • The role of the CQO in helping organizations to achieve outcomes that meet the highest standard in healthcare.
  • How the CQO works with teams within the organization to identify areas that need improvement and then creates task forces in order to organize initiatives.
  • The ideal candidate and background for this role (including organization leadership and teambuilding).
  • What level of training you need in order to qualify when applying for the position of a CQO (including the MBA, Master of Business Administration, and the MPH, Master in Public Health).
  • The common prerequisites and skills and interests necessary for a physician interested in the role of a CQO.
  • Why the future outlook is bright for those focused on better healthcare value and quality.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

13: The value of a MPH degree

Institute for Healthcare Improvement: CQO Professional Development Program

Lean Six Sigma for Healthcare

Physician Executive MBA Haslam College of Business University of Tennessee

50 Best Online MBA's for Physicians

Best Online MBA Programs for Physicians

Top Executive MBA Programs for Physicians - Healthcare Management

Hospital Impact—The Skills that make or break a chief quality officer

The Leapfrog Group

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

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My guests are Dr. George “Jeep” and Vanessa Naum, MBA. George is a family physician by background. Vanessa has a background in business and for years, managed and ran George’s practice. They have been involved in marriage coaching for a number of years and now provide this service to many professional couples focusing especially on physician marriages.

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“The problems in marriage are not specific to just one career type, but what we can understand and relate to is how the impact of the physician’s career stresses the relationship.” – Vanessa Naum

Show Highlights:

  • How George “Jeep” used his skills as a physician to help people with their marriage.
  • George “Jeep” shares why he left full-time clinical medicine to transition into marriage coaching with his wife, Vanessa.
  • Vanessa describes her transition into marriage coaching.
  • Reasons why physicians have specific stressors that can make marriage more difficult.
  • The principles of marriage and what it takes to make a marriage work.
  • How to change marriage stress points and increase resilience.
  • They share how their 90 Days to Clarity and Connection Program provides a trusted and proven blueprint for physician marriage success.
  • George “Jeep” shares about his book, What's Forever For?: A Physician's Guide for Everlasting Love and Success in Marriage.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Dr. George “Jeep” Naum – LinkedIn

Vanessa Naum, MBA – LinkedIn

Best Friends Again

FREE chapter of What's Forever For?

Healthy Relationship Quiz

NewScript

Somatica Institute

What's Forever For?: A Physician's Guide for Everlasting Love and Success in Marriage by Dr. George Jeep Naum

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

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My guest, Wael Khouli, MD, MBA, is the Interim Physician Executive for the Benefis Health System with the Greeley Company. Wael has provided physician leadership in many healthcare organizations and has a passion for underserved populations and population health.

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“Set clear priorities, in healthcare there are opportunities everywhere. If we try to chase every opportunity to make improvement, we will make minimal improvement on all of them instead of a significant improvement on what is most important.”

Show Highlights:

  • Wael describes his current role as the Interim Physician Executive at The Greeley Company.
  • He shares his involvement in a variety of non-clinical healthcare administration roles including population health management.
  • He describes why he shifted from a full-time administrative role to a split clinical and non-clinical role.
  • Wael shares the advantages and disadvantages of interim leadership roles.
  • His interest in moving beyond clinical medicine and into hospital administration and population health management.
  • How pursuing the Master of Business Administration (MBA) impacted the trajectory of Wael’s career.
  • His desire to establish a different type of a care delivery model.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Wael Khouli - LinkedIn

B.E. Smith

Benefis Health System

The Greeley Company

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

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In this episode, I discuss the origins of the mindset theory including the basic tenets and opposition to the theory. I share how you can develop a growth mindset whether you’re in a clinical role or as you transition into a non-clinical role.

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“Our capabilities, passions, and innate intelligence have a huge impact on what we can achieve and how successful we can become. Mindset can be a very limiting issue for physicians and can be a significant reason why we do not achieve our potential.”

Show Highlights:

  • The definition of the mindset theory and the two types: fixed mindset and growth mindset.
  • How Carol Dweck’s research into growth mindset has changed education and how organizations hire potential job candidates.
  • Why impostor syndrome can make one doubt his/her skills, talents or accomplishments based on the fear of being exposed as a fraud.
  • The brain's ability to change and adapt as a result of experience (neuroplasticity).
  • Why there is opposition to the mindset theory (including statistical methods and evidence).
  • How limiting beliefs can restrict us from achieving our potential.
  • Anne-Laure Le Cunff’s strategies that you can use to develop a growth mindset.
  • Four weekly planning questions to ask yourself.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

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Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

7 Reasons Why Your Mindset Is Everything (2022 Update)

Anne-Laure Le Cunff - From fixed mindset to growth mindset: the complete guide

Anne-Laure Le Cunff - Metacognition: How to think about thinking

Carol Dweck - The power of believing that you can improve (TEDX)

Carol Dweck - The power of yet (TEDxNorrköping)

Debate arises over teaching growth mindsets to motivate students

Full Focus Planner

Mindset: Changing The Way You think To Fulfil Your Potential by Carol S. Dweck

Mindset: The New Psychology of Success by Carol S. Dweck

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

Free 30 Minute Coaching Introductory Session

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Today my guest is Dr. Sunil Eappen, the Senior Vice President of Medical Affairs and Chief Medical Officer at the Brigham and Women's Hospital in Massachusetts. Dr. Eappen is an obstetrical anesthesiologist by background and has served in numerous leadership roles in his career.

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“Understand and recognize that the first opportunity may not be the perfect or ideal one. If it gives you the chance to show others your ability to organize, bring people together, and work collaboratively to manage conflict, then it’s worth it even if it’s outside of your area of expertise.”

Show Highlights:

  • Sunil describes his current role as Senior Vice President of Medical Affairs, Chief Medical Officer, and obstetrical anesthesiologist at the Brigham and Women's Hospital.
  • He shares how the quality role and the medical affairs role differ.
  • The different opportunities Sunil pursued in healthcare leadership and academic medicine.
  • The importance of mentors in his career path.
  • Sunil discusses the value of an MBA (Master of Business Administration).
  • His experience working with Atul Gawande and implementing the World Health Organization (WHO) Surgical Safety Checklist at the Brigham and Women's Hospital.
  • He shares advice to physicians who are interested in pursuing leadership roles beyond their current clinical roles.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

Sunil Eappen - LinkedIn

Brigham and Women's Hospital

Atul Gawande's 'Checklist' For Surgery Success

The Checklist Manifesto: How to Get Things Right by Atul Gawande

Choosing Civility: The Twenty-Five Rules of Considerate Conduct by P.M. Forni

Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes are High by Joseph Grenny

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

Free 30 Minute Coaching Introductory Session

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My guest, Laura Fortner, MD, is a specialist in Obstetrics and Gynecology. Laura’s life changed with her involvement in a medical malpractice suit. A Certified Life Coach helped Laura to heal from this experience. This propelled her in a new direction, becoming a Certified Life Coach herself, in order to help physicians deal with the trauma of being involved in a malpractice suit. >>>CLICK HERE TO GET THE TOP 10 LEADERSHIP SKILLS NEEDED TO GO BEYOND THE BEDSIDE<<<

“I've turned my pain into purpose. It's a passion to the point that there's value in getting paid for what I'm doing as a medical malpractice coach. I would do it regardless because there is such a need, and it’s purposeful work to me.”

Show Highlights:

  • Laura shares why she chose the high risk area of Obstetrics and Gynecology.
  • How she was hit with a medical malpractice lawsuit and the stress that it caused.
  • After practicing for 21 years, she describes how she went from private practice to an OB Hospitalist position working part-time.
  • She shares how she found purpose in her pain by becoming a Certified Life Coach.
  • How she helps other physicians heal the personal and moral injury that accompanies a lawsuit as a medical malpractice coach.
  • Steps physicians can take after being served and where to find emotional and mental support.
  • To mitigate the effects of litigation stress, there is a movement to change the physician culture and profession, which Laura discusses.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Laura Fortner, MD - LinkedIn

The Med Mal Coach

We RISE in the face of Medical Malpractice – Facebook Group

Avoiding medical malpractice in the wake of the pandemic

Coping with a medical malpractice suit

Effects of malpractice law on the practice of medicine

Malpractice and its effects on the healthcare industry

Physician Litigation Stress Resource Center

Physicians react: life after a lawsuit

What happens after a doctor is accused of medical malpractice

You’ve been served: lawsuit survival tips for physicians

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

Free 30 Minute Coaching Introductory Session

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My guest, Ronnie Shalev MD, BCMAS, shares her transition and transformation from her clinical roles into her current non-clinical activities. Ronnie has created a role for herself in a company that is not a healthcare provider, but provides service to physicians and healthcare organizations. She has also created a passive stream of income in real estate. >>>CLICK HERE TO GET THE TOP 10 LEADERSHIP SKILLS NEEDED TO GO BEYOND THE BEDSIDE<<<

“For those wanting to leave medicine or a clinical role, there are opportunities out there that you haven't even thought about. The key to opening and expanding your mind is to talk to as many people that have made the transition as possible. Include people with similar backgrounds to you who are now in completely different roles. The more you talk and hear about it, the more normal it seems.”

Show Highlights:

  • Ronnie shares how her high pressure job as a board certified ER doctor left her feeling burned out.
  • Through passive real estate investing, she was able to quit her clinical job and transition to a less-demanding role at a medical device company.
  • She shares how networking helped her land the job as Director of Post Market Surveillance and Quality at Abbott.
  • Why her education and critical thinking skills as a physician enhance her success in her role, which was previously held by an engineer.
  • How Ronnie and her husband, Ben Winski, created multiple streams of income that allowed them the flexibility and freedom they desired.
  • Ronnie shares her passion for helping others to create passive income, so they have freedom and are not bound by their jobs.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

09: How to discover the hidden job market

Ronnie Shalev - LinkedIn

Abbott

ACMA (Accreditation Council for Medical Affairs)

Shalwin Properties

A Guide to Jobs and Careers in the Medical Device Industry

How to Prepare For a Great Job at a Medical Device Company – Physician NonClinical Careers Podcast

What are the different types of medical device jobs?

Why work in the Medical Device Industry?

Additional Income Sources for Physicians

Multiple Streams of Income

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

Free 30 Minute Coaching Introductory Session

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In this episode, I review the process and tools that you can use to make effective decisions. I provide examples of using a decision making process when you’re considering transitioning from clinical medicine at the bedside to a non-clinical role.

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“Learning how others have made good decisions and bad decisions and applying those lessons to our own decision making process can save us from many poor decisions.”

Show Highlights:

  • Learn about the decision making process including Peter Drucker’s detailed six sequential steps necessary to make great decisions.
  • Why the elements of Drucker’s process are relevant to career decisions and may be helpful to you.
  • Discover how to ask the right questions and test to see if the decision and action plan are effective.
  • An overview of the Rational Decision Making Model and its similarities to Drucker’s process.
  • How to use the Intuitive Model as a process dictated by inner knowledge or intuition to determine what the right option is for you.
  • Discover how the Recognition Primed Model is a combination of both rational and intuitive decision making.
  • How the Creative Model differs from the others and its benefit.
  • How to use the decision matrix tool when you are reaching a complex or a difficult decision or addressing an opportunity.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Decision making 101

Decision Matrix Analysis

How to use the Pugh Matrix

Management and Decision Making - Explained

Pugh Matrix

Smart Choices: A Practical Guide to Making Better Decisions by John S. Hammond

The Decision Education Podcast

The Peter F. Drucker Reader: Selected Articles from the Father of Modern Management Thinking by Peter F. Drucker

Top 10 ways to make better decisions

A Guide to Effective Decision Making

Free 30 Minute Coaching Introductory Session

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My guest, Leslie Jurecko MD, MBA, shares her journey from pediatric hospitalist to safety and quality champion at one of the most recognized healthcare organizations in the country. Discover how she began incorporating her passion for quality and safety while still in her pediatric hospitalist role by leveraging her leadership skills, knowledge, and passion to place her in her current role at the Cleveland Clinic. >>>CLICK HERE TO GET THE TOP 10 LEADERSHIP SKILLS NEEDED TO GO BEYOND THE BEDSIDE<<<

“Double down on making your relationships with other healthcare co-workers stronger. You are watched as a leader, so being authentic is the key for setting the tone for the team, the project, and the organization.”

Show Highlights:

  • Leslie describes her current role as Chief Safety, Quality and Experience Officer at the Cleveland Clinic.
  • How Leslie discovered her interest in healthcare leadership (specifically, quality and safety).
  • She describes the value of physician leadership and how she prepared for the role including the challenges she faced.
  • Why she pursued the MBA (Master of Business Administration).
  • Leslie’s advice to physicians who are considering transitioning from full-time clinical medicine to a part-time or full-time non-clinical role.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Leslie Jurecko - LinkedIn

Cleveland Clinic

American Medical Association

American Association for Physician Leadership

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

Grand Valley State University (Executive MBA)

Physician Executive MBA Haslam College of Business University of Tennessee

50 Best Online MBA's for Physicians

Best Online MBA Programs for Physicians

Top Executive MBA Programs for Physicians - Healthcare Management

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In this episode, I am joined by physician leaders, Tom Davis, MD, FAAFP and John Jurica, MD, MPH, CPE, FAAPL. We discuss how they created the NewScript community for physicians to help each other learn, grow, and make desired career transitions. Tom and John share how their different backgrounds complement each other in their current collaboration.

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“Our goal is to provide an environment where healthcare professionals can explore whether or not they still have the passion for patient care. If they do, there are clinical alternatives outside of the employment system. We are helping them to recreate or recapture their passion. They have expertise and experience that they can contribute to healthcare that is absolutely necessary.” – Dr. Tom Davis

Show Highlights:

  • Tom and John share their journeys into their current non-clinical roles.
  • They describe their interest in healthcare leadership and how they individually prepared for leadership roles.
  • Tom and John come to their collaboration from different backgrounds that complement each other. They have created a community for physicians seeking career transitions.
  • Why physicians are looking for opportunities to restore balance in their lives both personally and professionally.
  • How coaching can provide you with the insights you need to create your own path to a more meaningful and successful practice or career.
  • Tom and John share how a nonclinical career or different types of practice are options for physicians.
  • NewScript (an app) is a community of healthcare professionals, career transition mentors, and wellness specialists helping each other live a better life.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

American Association for Physician Leadership

Dale Carnegie

Heidi Moawad MD - Non Clinical Doctors

John Jurica – LinkedIn

John Jurica’s Mastermind

NewScript

NonClinical Physicians

Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters private Facebook group

Physician NonClinical Careers Podcast

Physician NonClinical Careers Podcast #234 Achieve Beautiful Balance as Medical Director and Concierge Physician

Scott Adams

Seth Godin

Tom Davis Consulting

Tom Davis – LinkedIn

Toastmasters International

Transitions: Making Sense of Life's Changes by William Bridges

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I am pleased to welcome back Dr. Doug Apple to the podcast. Since my past interviews with Doug, he has left the health care organization that he grew up in. In this episode, we discuss Doug’s current role as Chief Clinical Officer for Ascension Michigan and his transition into non-clinical roles with increasing scope and responsibilities. >>>CLICK HERE TO GET THE TOP 10 LEADERSHIP SKILLS NEEDED TO GO BEYOND THE BEDSIDE<<< “Part of my duty as a physician leader is to identify what we have to address today, but also what is that strategic vision for implementation that will take us from today into tomorrow.”

Show Highlights:

  • Doug shares the challenges of transitioning into two new organizations in the past three years.
  • The importance of remaining close to the work occurring in the service lines while having a very strategic role in the organization.
  • The scope of Doug’s current role as Chief Clinical Officer for Ascension Michigan and some of the rewards and challenges he has experienced.
  • The transition to Michigan to Maryland after Doug accepted the role of Chief Clinical Officer at Bon Secours Mercy Health.
  • Both of the roles that Doug has held since leaving Spectrum Health have been very strategic, but also require a very strong focus on operational issues within service lines.
  • Doug also shares some personal challenges he faced at the time of his transition from Bon Secours Mercy Health to Ascension and how those challenges have changed and reinforced his perspective on leadership in a time of crisis.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

03: Physician leadership development

04: The value of a physician leader mentorship

Ascension Michigan

Bon Secours Mercy Health

Douglas Apple - LinkedIn

Michigan State University - Master of Science in Healthcare Management

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How to prepare for an interview is an important topic when you’re a physician transitioning from one role into another. In this episode, I offer tips on how to prepare for the different types of interviews, what to expect, and how to have a successful interview.

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“It can be uncomfortable to think that we’re selling ourselves, but it is an important part of every interview to make sure that the interviewer understands what sets you apart from other candidates. Be ready to back that information up with some examples of skills and strengths that you are confident in.”

Show Highlights:

  • Discover proven techniques in order to have a successful interview.
  • The importance of research to determine if you’re the right fit for the role.
  • How to determine if your skills match the job description and that your values align with the company’s mission.
  • The best way to be prepared for answering the most common interview questions.
  • Why you should assess your strengths and weaknesses prior to the interview.
  • How to overcome the uncomfortable sales pitch.
  • Advice on how to make a great first impression during an interview.
  • Why a hard copy of your resume is still best in a digital world.
  • Key differences between a one-on-one interview and a group or panel interview.
  • Additional tips to prepare you for a video interview.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

8 Great Tips to Help You Prepare for Your First Job Interview

18 Tips for Succeeding During Your Zoom Interview

35 Physician Interview Questions (With Example Answers)

39 Strengths and Weaknesses to Discuss in a Job Interview

How to Ace A ZOOM Interview In 2022 - Video Interview Tips For Jobseekers

How to Succeed at a Group Interview

Interviewing Skills for Job-Seeking Physicians

Job Interview Preparation Tips to Help You Stand Out

The Ultimate Interview Guide: 30 Prep Tips for Job Interview Success

Tips and Tricks for Physicians Preparing for Job Interviews

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I’m welcoming back Dike Drummond, MD. He was my guest in episode 17, Stop Physician Burnout. In this episode, we discuss the best way for physicians to transition from a clinical practice to an entrepreneurial non-clinical role. We also discuss a transition strategy for physicians who desire to move from their current job to their dream job.

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“There are going to be lots of things that seem to surround you right now that are things you don't want, but in order for you to create a healthy career going forward, whether it's in or out of medicine, it's really important to get super clear on what you want: your ideal job; your ideal career; your ideal life; and your ideal practice description.”

Show Highlights:

  • Dike describes an overview of transitioning from being a clinician to being in a non-clinical career.
  • Why you shouldn’t walk away from your career until your finances are stable.
  • How to terrarium (self-contain) your current job.
  • The importance of job shadowing a career that interests you.
  • Why you shouldn’t give up your practice until your side gig is making half of what you make in your practice.
  • How to determine when is the right time to start building a team.
  • Why jobs tend to lead to burnout and how to avoid it.
  • The ideal time to transition away from your previous full-time role and into your entrepreneurial venture.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

15: Impact of moral injury on physicians

17: Stop Physician Burnout

The E-Myth Revisited: Why Most Small Businesses Don't Work and What to Do About It by Michael E. Gerber

The Happy MD

Physicians on Purpose podcast

Stop Physician Burnout with Dike Drummond

Stop Physician Burnout: What to Do When Working Harder Isn't Working by Dike Drummond

Physician NonClinical Careers Podcast

NonClinical Careers for Physicians Podcast

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A career in medical writing can be appealing to physicians, especially those with a passion for writing. In this episode, I discuss the different opportunities available, the scope of work, and the necessary skills to excel.

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“Physicians can leverage their expertise to pursue medical writing as either a side gig or a transition to a non-clinical career. Depending on your interest, skills, and expertise, if you focus on making an impact with patients or consumers, you can find a great deal of fulfillment in this role.”

Show Highlights:

  • Why medical writing is appealing to physicians.
  • How to determine if a career in medical writing is right for you.
  • Medical writing in the pharmaceutical and medical device industries is integral. Its purpose is to provide clinical trial documents that effectively describe research results or the product use as well as other medical information.
  • Types of medical writing include: regulatory writing; general health communication; educational material for health care professionals; promotional writing; and grant writing.
  • How physicians can excel and get paid for medical writing.
  • What types of skills or attributes you need and how to improve your writing (including medical writing courses and certification).
  • How much money medical writers get paid.
  • How to become a medical writer without any experience.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

11: Non-clinical opportunities in Pharma

12: Pharma Roles for Physicians - Marsha Caton Ph.D. Leader of Medical Writing Teams

American Medical Writers Association

A Career in Medical Writing - European Medical Writers Association

Doctor’s Crossing

Nascent Medical Writing: Medical Writing Descriptions and Educational Content

Freelance Medical Writing as a Career Choice

6 Week Medical Writing Course

Top Medical Writing Courses (Coursera)

Writing in the Sciences

Medical Writing and Editing - University of Chicago

Effective Writing for Healthcare Certificate Program - Harvard Medical School

How to Become a Competent Medical Writer

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Our guest today is Robyn Tiger, MD, C-IAYT, RYT-500. She teaches physicians evidence-based self-care tools in order to improve wellness and decrease stress. Robyn shares how her struggle with stress and burnout as a practicing radiologist led her on a journey to her current non-traditional role.

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“I'm just the instrument by which physicians are able to enjoy practicing medicine again. I'm teaching them lessons that we never learned in med school, internship, residency, and fellowship. It's really teaching physicians how to take care of themselves in a way that we have never been taught.”

Show Highlights:

  • How Robyn helps physicians to decrease stress through learning evidence-based tools.
  • The concerning symptoms Robyn experienced that were related to burnout and stress.
  • How the field of radiology changed in the digital age, and its impact on collaboration and the feeling of isolation.
  • What led to Robyn’s interest in becoming a physician (specifically, a radiologist).
  • Robyn shares stories about her colleagues who were lost due to physician suicide.
  • How yoga impacted her health and created a desire to learn more and teach others.
  • Robyn’s pivot to serve physicians with an online program, Rx Inner Peace, due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
  • How Robyn helps physicians address chronic stress and burnout.
  • The meaningful impact Robyn’s mentor Eleanor Criswell has had on her career and life.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

15: Impact of moral injury on physicians

17: Stop Physician Burnout

Stress Free MD

Stress Free MD Podcast: I have to…

Stress Free MD Physicians-only Facebook Group

Rx Inner Peace

Eleanor Criswell

The Novato Institute for Somatic Research and Training

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Thanks for joining me. My guest today is Drew Albano, DO, MBA, FAAFP. Drew has expertise in medical staff affairs, healthcare quality, clinical operations, graduate medical education, and research. Drew will be sharing his experience of transitioning to healthcare administration. He and I discuss why he was motivated to pursue an MBA (Master of Business Administration) and the interesting opportunity he had to explore a business startup during his MBA capstone project.

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“As physicians, we can speak using medical jargon and universally understand each other and be able to succinctly transfer information. On the administrative or on the business side of it, the language is there, too. It's just not the language we're accustomed to because we didn't learn it going through medical training and medical school. The MBA helped me to better understand healthcare finance and the importance of soft skills.”

Show Highlights:

  • Drew’s diverse set of roles including administration and clinical (teaching).
  • The impact on communities after the merger of the health systems to form Prisma Health.
  • Challenges in receiving care during the COVID-19 pandemic.
  • Drew’s transition to healthcare administration and a leadership role.
  • The motivating factor for pursuing an MBA (Master of Business Administration) while working as a medical director.
  • The most surprising thing that Drew learned while getting his MBA.
  • The difference between management and leadership.
  • Opportunity to start up a business (smartphone app for healthcare at home service) during the MBA program.
  • The importance of mentorship and how Dr. Shawn Cannon supported him.
  • Dr. Saria Saccocio’s advice for Drew on how to strengthen his leadership skills (including communication).
  • The importance of volunteering and giving back to the community.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

08: Interview with Dr. Saria Saccocio

50 Best Online MBA's for Physicians

Best Online MBA Programs for Physicians

Top Executive MBA Programs for Physicians - Healthcare Management

Physician Executive MBA Haslam College of Business University of Tennessee

Auburn University Physicians Executive MBA Program

Prisma Health

Rothman Orthopaedic Institute

University of South Carolina School of Medicine Greenville

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Today I’m pleased to be interviewing Dike Drummond MD. Dike shares how he transitioned from clinical medicine to his current non-clinical role as a coach and host of the Physicians on Purpose podcast. He provides a great deal of support for physicians suffering from burnout.

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“Doctors are programmed to burn out by our medical education. We're set up to fail. We're set up to ignore our stress levels and our energy levels. We're set up to ignore our own self-care because of several prime directives that are installed as the programming of medical education.”

Show Highlights:

  • How Dike transitioned from clinical medicine to his current non-clinical role as a coach.
  • Why his burnout led to coaching other physicians who are suffering.
  • The three symptoms of burnout: exhaustion; compassion fatigue; and “what’s the use”.
  • How to reach out to someone you’re concerned about.
  • The concerning high rate of physician suicide.
  • How to determine if you should leave clinical medicine and choose a non-clinical career.
  • The importance of writing a description of your ideal practice.
  • How to recover from burnout.
  • How moral injury is a cause of burnout.
  • Why using a stress matrix can be a helpful tool.
  • Dike’s book as a resource, Stop Physician Burnout: What to Do When Working Harder Isn't Working.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

15: Impact of moral injury on physicians

The Happy MD

Physicians on Purpose podcast

Stop Physician Burnout with Dike Drummond

Stop Physician Burnout: What to Do When Working Harder Isn't Working by Dike Drummond

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The role of the Chief Medical Informatics Officer (CMIO) has developed as healthcare has become more involved in clinical informatics and information technologies. Today we’re discussing what type of physician is qualified for this position and how you may pursue a career as a CMIO.

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“The Chief Medical Informatics Officer can be a very rewarding role that many physicians, especially those who are adept at information technology or who have developed some background with computerized systems, find themselves very well suited for.”

Show Highlights:

  • The role of the Chief Medical Informatics Officer (CMIO) as a liaison between the members of the medical staff, employed physicians, and healthcare organizations.
  • How the implementation of clinical information systems led to the growth and development of this role.
  • Why ensuring that the quality of care across multiple information systems is an integral part of this position.
  • The job duties of a CMIO.
  • Specific training and qualifications organizations are looking for in a CMIO.
  • Anticipated salary for this role.
  • Current conditions and the outlook for informatics jobs.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

22 Best Master’s in Information Systems Degrees in 2021

UIC Master of Science in Health Informatics

Health Informatics Careers for Graduates with an MSHI

University of Illinois at Chicago, Master of Science in Health Informatics (MSHI) Curriculum

Chief Medical Information Officer: Job Description and Salary Data

Payscale, Average Chief Information Officer (CIO) Salary

What is Health Informatics?

Leadership in Health Informatics: What Is a Chief Information Officer?

Applying Technology To Improve Healthcare: What Is Healthcare IT?

Applied Clinical Informatics, The Chief Clinical Informatics Officer (CCIO)

Forbes, Why Tech Companies Hire Chief Medical Officers

What to Know About the Chief Medical Information Officer Role
The 6 Cs of Being a Successful CMIO

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In today’s episode, I discuss physician burnout and moral injury and how it impacts physicians’ decisions to seek careers beyond the bedside. Burnout is typically a syndrome that has been associated with severe exhaustion, cynicism, and decreased effectiveness. Factors that contribute to burnout include: prolonged working hours; the increase in bureaucratic or administrative work that is involved in taking care of patients; and failing to strike a proper balance between work and private life.

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“Many physicians who suffer from burnout or moral injury seek to find another job to see if that can be a solution for their emotional distress and their physical distress as well. There are steps that physicians can take to sometimes resolve some of these situations without necessarily abandoning a position that meets their needs and that they enjoy.”

Show Highlights:

  • The concept of burnout and moral injury in relation to physicians.
  • Burnout is a state of emotional, physical, and mental exhaustion caused by excessive and prolonged stress.
  • Moral injury refers to an injury to an individual’s moral conscience and values resulting from an act of perceived moral transgression, which produces profound emotional guilt and shame, and in some cases also a sense of betrayal, anger and profound “moral disorientation”.
  • Factors that contribute to burnout include: prolonged working hours; the increase in bureaucratic or administrative work that is involved in taking care of patients; and failing to strike a proper balance between work and private life.
  • How to recognize the symptoms of burnout syndrome and assess them using the Maslach Burnout Inventory (MBI) and the moral injury symptom scale.
  • How the concept of moral injury came to be understood based on the study of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
  • Why many experts feel that moral conflict when making decisions regarding what is best for the patient (including treatment decisions and obtaining approval) may lead to the syndrome of moral injury.
  • The positive role of physician leadership in the workplace.
  • Karen Curry Parker’s research on the relationship between unresolved minor trauma and moral injury.
  • How it’s possible with the right coaching, counseling, and mentoring to resolve issues of burnout and moral injury by healing in place.
  • The importance of boundaries and the value of resilience training.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

IHI Joy in Work Course Schedule

Joy in Medicine™ Health System Recognition Program

Don Berwick's Presentation on Physician Burnout

Stop Physician Burnout with Dike Drummond

Physician Burnout: Which doctors have the highest burnout rate?

It’s OK Not to Be OK: Physician Burnout and Mental Health

Physician Burnout: Stop Blaming the Individual

A Better Job Won't Help - The Truth about Burnout | Karen Curry Parker | TEDxColoradoSprings

Break Free from Burnout Part 1- Quantum Alignment Show

Burnout and Human Design, Part 2 Quantum Alignment Show

Understanding Job Burnout - Dr. Christina Maslach

Burnout Prevention and Treatment

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Today I am pleased to be interviewing Ines Vigil, MD, MPH, MBA, and a fellow of the American College of Preventative Medicine. Ines has expertise in population health, analytics, informatics, and clinical practice transformation. Ines has a very interesting career after completing her medical degree and general preventive medicine residency at Johns Hopkins University. Her interest in population health has a very interesting origin. Ines shares her perspective on the value of the Master’s in Public Health degree versus Master’s in Business Administration. She and I discuss her interests and passions that led her to pursuing both degrees.

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“When contemplating whether or not to get an additional degree, determine what you want to get out of it and think through the problems that you really want to solve based off of your experience, your interactions, and your breadth and depth of knowledge. What are the problems you want to solve for healthcare? Then decide which degree will give you the skill set that you really need in order to be able to tackle that problem.”

Show Highlights:

  • Ines describes her role at Clarify Health as bringing population health value-based care solutions to the market.
  • Her passion for data and how two mentors inspired her to attend medical school.
  • How Ines’ experience working with Indian Health Service helped her to understand how social determinants impact patients.
  • Why she pursued a Master’s in Business Administration (MBA) as well as a Master's in Public Health (MPH).
  • Why a Master's in Public Health (MPH) can be helpful to clinicians that are contemplating working in alternative finance models and alternative care models.
  • The value of the MPH degree versus the MBA.
  • The impact of transitioning from the fee for service model to value-based care.
  • Ines describes her first job out of residency as Medical Director for Johns Hopkins HealthCare.
  • Her role as a preventive medicine physician and the transition to an administrative career.
  • The book, Population Health Analytics, she co-authored with Martha L. Sylvia, PhD, MBA, RN.
  • Ines offers advice for physicians who are thinking about writing a book.
  • She shares the benefit of having mentors throughout her career and the influence they had on her career path.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

13: The value of a MPH degree

Clarify Health

Indian Health Service

Jones & Bartlett -- Population Health Analytics

Ines Vigil MD, MPH, MBA FACPM LinkedIn

American College of Preventive Medicine

MPH Program Johns Hopkins University

MBA Program Johns Hopkins University

MPH vs. MBA; Differences in public health degrees

WHAT’S THE BETTER CHOICE: MPH, MHA, OR MBA?

MPH Programs List: MBA vs. MPH

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In today’s episode, I’m discussing the Master’s in Public Health (MPH) degree. I provide the overview for the general curriculum of the MPH program as well as the types of programs that exist, how long the investment of your time will be to complete, and certain jobs you’d be extremely qualified for. I address the value of an MPH, some of the best schools in the country for getting an MPH from based on a combination of factors, as well as the key differences between the Master’s in business administration (MBA) and the Master’s in Public Health (MPH).

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“A Master’s in Public Health really appeals to physicians because it involves an aspect of health care that many of us are interested in: how do we reduce the burden of disease in entire populations? Engaging and finding solutions for those problems is very appealing to a large subset of healthcare professionals, not just physicians.”

Show Highlights:

  • The Master's in Public Health (MPH) is a skills-based degree non-thesis degree that trains students to protect and improve the health of populations.
  • The tremendous focus on public health and job outlook for physicians.
  • The general curriculum of the MPH program includes a practicum or some applied practice experience which allows the student to be engaged in hands-on learning related to public health prevention for physicians.
  • The difference between traditional on-site learning and programs that are designed to be completed online or programs that are designed to be executive programs for working professionals, such as physicians.
  • How long the investment of your time will be to complete the MPH program.
  • Examples of jobs that you'll be especially well-qualified for after completing your MPH degree include, but aren’t limited to:
    • Healthcare administrator, especially administering programs that are specifically focused on public health problems
    • Epidemiologist due to the type of training and the focus of the curriculum
    • Roles involving research
  • How to determine if pursuing the MPH program is well-suited to your career goals and your interests.
  • Key differences between the Master’s in business administration (MBA) and the Master’s in Public Health (MPH).
  • Top 11 schools in the country for getting an MPH from based on a combination of factors.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

Top 10 MD MPH Programs

The Best MPH Programs in the US (College Rank)

5 Career Specialties for Health Administrators

Specialization in leadership with a MPH

Coursera: What Can You Do with a Master’s in Public Health (MPH)?

Northeastern University: What Can You Do With a Master’s Degree?

Patrick Remington MD MPH: Reflections on the MPH degree

MPH vs MBA Degree Programs: What Are the Differences?

MPH vs. MHA: 5 Key Differences

Dual MD-MPH Degree Students in the US: Moving the Medical Workforce Toward Population Health

Growth in Public Health Degree Conferrals

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Today I’m pleased to be interviewing Marsha Caton, PhD. Marsha earned her Masters and her PhD in Molecular Genetics from Albert Einstein College of Medicine. She’s built her career in the drug development industry working in pharmaceutical companies. Dr. Caton also serves as a consultant and mentor to scientists and physicians who are desirous of starting or growing their careers in the pharmaceutical industry.

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“Invest some time into building your resume specifically for the purpose of getting into pharma. I cannot underscore that enough. The resume has to be tailored to suit the transferable skills that are needed by being highlighted and prominently displayed.”

Show Highlights:

  • How Marsha’s LinkedIn profile helped her to connect with other physicians interested in a non-clinical pharmaceutical career.
  • Opportunities within pharmaceutical companies that are worth exploring for physicians who are interested in finding non-clinical roles to either supplement their clinical income or to replace it.
  • The different types of jobs that exist within the pharmaceutical industry.
  • A medical monitor is involved at the clinical trial level. The physician is employed by the pharmaceutical company who looks at the clinical course for the patient, and they have some dialogue with the site physician.
  • A bit of interplay with the medical monitor role, but the safety physician role is more focused on the overall safety of the product. So they don't look at individual case summaries so much.
  • A freelance medical writer works specifically to write about or to help pharmaceutical companies or CRS develop the documentation that they need to support the application to the FDA.
  • A medical director is typically a physician who provides his/her medical knowledge and expertise in the day to day operations of the clinical research studies.
  • The value of advanced degrees, such as an MBA (Master of Business Administration) and an MPH (Master's in Public Health), to physicians who are transitioning to these types of non-clinical roles.
  • The importance of building a resume specifically for the purpose of getting into pharma.
  • How Marsha’s mentor changed the trajectory of her career.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

07: How to determine if the MBA is right for you

50 Nonclinical Careers for Physicians: Fulfilling, Meaningful, and Lucrative Alternatives to Direct Patient Care by Sylvie Stacy, MD

A Physicians Guide to a Career in Pharma

ABPI Code of Practice

Becoming a drug safety physician

Breaking into Pharma: A Medic’s Guide *Requires free registration at no cost.

Drug Safety and Pharmacovigilance Roles

Essential Steps to a Successful Career in Pharma with Dr. Paul Hercock *Requires free registration at no cost.

Freelancing in the medical communications

Marsha Caton, LinkedIn

Medical director in pharma

Medical monitoring 101

Medical writers

MHRA Blue Guide

Physician Leadership Development Programs

What exactly does a medical monitor do?

What is a drug safety physician?

What is a medical monitor?

US-based CROs offering drug safety services include:

Bioclinica

Navitas

PAREXEL

Pharm-Olam

PPD

Syneos

WCG

EU-based companies with locations in the US:

Chiltern

Diamond Pharma Services

ICON

Pharmya

PrimeVigilance

ProPharma Group

SYMOGEN

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In today’s episode, I discuss jobs and roles for physicians in the pharmaceutical industry. Many physicians are not aware of the types of roles for physicians within pharma. There are many similarities, but there are also very significant differences from clinical roles. Working in these roles appeals to many physicians. Discover if this is a non-clinical role that appeals to you.

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“This (data) all suggests that opportunities within pharmaceutical companies are something that would be worth exploring for physicians who are interested in finding non-clinical roles to either supplement their clinical income or to replace it.”

Show Highlights:

  • Discover the opportunities that exist in the pharmaceutical industry and related industries for physicians.
  • The similarities between clinical jobs and jobs within the pharmaceutical industry.
  • The significant differences between the two roles.
  • Opportunities within pharmaceutical companies that are worth exploring for physicians who are interested in finding non-clinical roles to either supplement their clinical income or to replace it.
  • The different types of jobs that exist within the pharmaceutical industry.
  • A medical monitor is involved at the clinical trial level. The physician is employed by the pharmaceutical company who looks at the clinical course for the patient, and they have some dialogue with the site physician.
  • A bit of interplay with the medical monitor role, but the safety physician role is more focused on the overall safety of the product. So they don't look at individual case summaries so much.
  • A freelance medical writer works specifically to write about or to help pharmaceutical companies or CRS develop the documentation that they need to support the application to the FDA.
  • A medical director is typically a physician who provides his/her medical knowledge and expertise in the day to day operations of the clinical research studies.
  • In contrast to the medical director, the medical science liaison is a position that is externally or outwardly focused. This physician will be looking at products that already have their FDA approval or clearances, and they’re being utilized by physicians.
  • Another area that physicians can be helpful to pharmaceutical companies is in the area of regulatory medicine. Physicians and the regulatory medicine department will help coordinate the production and submission of applications and supporting documents to regulatory agencies.
  • Discover the top 10 leadership skills that physicians can cultivate and develop.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

50 Nonclinical Careers for Physicians: Fulfilling, Meaningful, and Lucrative Alternatives to Direct Patient Care by Sylvie Stacy, MD

A Physicians Guide to a Career in Pharma

ABPI Code of Practice

Becoming a drug safety physician

Breaking into Pharma: A Medic’s Guide *Requires free registration at no cost.

Drug Safety and Pharmacovigilance Roles

Essential Steps to a Successful Career in Pharma with Dr. Paul Hercock *Requires free registration at no cost.

Freelancing in the medical communications

Medical director in pharma

Medical monitoring 101

Medical writers

MHRA Blue Guide

Physician Leadership Development Programs

What exactly does a medical monitor do?

What is a drug safety physician?

What is a medical monitor?

US-based CROs offering drug safety services include:

Bioclinica

Navitas

PAREXEL

Pharm-Olam

PPD

Syneos

WCG

Many EU-based companies also have locations in the US:

Chiltern

Diamond Pharma Services

ICON

Pharmya

PrimeVigilance

ProPharma Group

SYMOGEN

FDA: https://www.fda.gov/patients/drug-development-process/step-3-clinical-research

NIH: https://www.nih.gov/health-information/nih-clinical-research-trials-you/basics

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I’m pleased to introduce to you Dr. Armin Feldman. Dr. Feldman has been a full-time medical consultant to attorneys since 2006. He also works with physicians across the United States helping them supplement or provide a replacement for their income, providing pre-litigation pre-trial consulting services to the legal industry.

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“Even though it's not clinical work, you are still helping people by using your medical knowledge in a way that these people were previously not getting help for.”

Show Highlights:

  • Armin describes his scope of work as a medical legal consultant and how he became involved in this particular consulting niche.
  • Armin discusses his role in consulting with attorneys pre-trial and pre-litigation in personal injury or workmen’s compensation cases.
  • We discuss the need for the injured person to have an excellent medical and legal team when they are trying to receive financial payments from either insurance companies or employers.
  • Armin discusses his transition from a practicing psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, leading to his involvement in the treatment of brain injured patients.
  • This led to him opening a traumatic brain injury rehabilitation clinic in Denver, and eventually, to clinics around the country.
  • At the time he sold his business he realized that he was not ready for retirement and he discovered the potential of the unexplored niche in consulting, which proved successful and profitable.
  • His motivation to develop a training program for physicians of different clinical backgrounds to have their own successful business as a legal consultant.
  • We discuss the many benefits of this type of work for physicians, including working remotely, appropriate for physicians of any clinical background, and the ability to work full or part time.
  • Why any physician in any specialty can learn how to become a medical legal consultant.
  • How he runs a successful consulting business.
  • Why mentors and coaching programs were important in developing the business.
  • Stresses the importance of gathering information on running a small business and recommends some reading material for any physician that is interested in running a small business themselves. I have included the link to the book in the resources below.
  • The tangible results of doing work to help injured people and the gratification that comes from insuring that these persons receive appropriate care.
  • Armin describes his medical legal consulting coaching program for interested physicians.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

MD Biz Con

The E-Myth Revisited: Why Most Small Businesses Don't Work and What to Do About It by Michael E. Gerber

The Workers' Compensation Trial Lawyers Association

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The hidden job market can be a powerful tool in looking for your next role or your next career transition. In this episode, you will learn why the hidden job market has tremendous potential and how it can be beneficial to you.

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“The hidden job market can be a more successful pathway for you when you're searching for your next career role.”

Show Highlights:

  • How being on the job market again created an opportunity for me to assess my goals and desires at that point in my career.
  • Learn the four most important things about the hidden job market.
  • What defines the hidden job market?
  • Why there are jobs that are not publicly being promoted.
  • How networking with a colleague helped me to land a job as an emergency physician.
  • Why job seekers find their next job using the hidden job market rather than positions that are posted or publicly available on Jobvite.
  • Why the hidden job market has tremendous potential.
  • The reasons why some companies don't post jobs.
  • How the hidden job market can be beneficial to you.
  • I discuss different situations that may make it imperative for you to use other methods than the hidden job market.
  • How to determine the best time to use the hidden job market if you want to take your career in a different direction.
  • How to leverage your passion and knowledge in order to successfully transition into non-clinical roles that support healthcare.
  • Discover the five specific strategies that are critical for using the hidden job market.
  • Why recruiters are valuable connections.
  • How to leverage social media to create connections.
  • Why a personal brand is an important strategy for using the hidden job market.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Best Tips for Increasing your Networking Effectiveness

Jobvite

Lauren Herring, CEO of IMPACT Group Lauren has great job search tips on her website and authored a book entitled Take Control of Your Job Search: 10 Emotions You Must Master to Land the Job

The Biggest Job Search Myth, Debunked

Tips for finding a Job in the Hidden Job Market

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In today’s episode, I’m pleased to introduce to you Dr. Saria Saccocio who has a fascinating journey into an administrative role. Saria is the Ambulatory Chief Medical Officer for Prisma Health in Greenville, South Carolina.

Saria is a family physician who as you will hear has a very interesting career proven by a variety of patient-centered interests. Saria completed her Master’s in Healthcare Administration in 2012. Saria is also currently serving as a member of the Physician Advisory Group for DHG Healthcare.

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“So when you ask me what enticed me out of direct patient care, it would be being a family physician for all, for the entire community and the neighborhoods that we serve.”

Show Highlights:

  • Saria shares why she decided to pursue a career in medicine.
  • How Saria started her own practice to treat patients the way they deserve to be treated.
  • Saria describes how teaching at a family medicine resident residency program lit a fire in her for public health and providing care to the entire community.
  • Saria shares how Marcus Welby, M.D. is an inspiring hero when considering direct patient and efficient physician relationship.
  • Why she decided to open her own practice directly after residency.
  • Saria’s practice model contrasted against larger practice arrangements with hospitals or large multi-specialty groups.
  • How Saria drew inspiration from Dr. Gordon Moore’s micro practice type of model that he espoused.
  • Saria describes how motherhood impacted her decision to transition out of practice and how a variety of life situations can play a dramatic role in career paths.
  • Saria’s experience as an Associate Program Director of the Floyd Family Medicine Residency program.
  • The challenge of completing her Master's in Healthcare Administration (MHA).
  • The transition to Chief Medical Officer roles in different settings.
  • Saria describes high reliability as one of her core values.
  • Saria’s role as Ambulatory Chief Medical Officer for Prisma Health.
  • Saria discusses quality, safety, high reliability, and her passion for population health.
  • Tricks to preserve work life balance.
  • Advice for physicians who are struggling or considering what to do with their career.
  • How Saria’s mentor provided guidance, and why physicians are role models.

About Me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

DHG Healthcare

UNC Executive MHA

Floyd Family Medicine Residency Program

Gordon Moore, M.D.

Prisma Health

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In today’s episode, I’m discussing the value of an MBA (Master of Business Administration). Pursuing an advanced degree is a common goal for many physician leaders or physicians interested in assuming a leadership role. I’m focusing today on the MBA degree. I discuss the value of the MBA, the different types of curriculum and different structures of various programs, and how to determine if the MBA is right for you.

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“As I looked at and talked with my physician, mentors, coaches, and several chief executive officers in hospitals, it became clear to me that the MBA would be more instantly recognizable as an advanced degree as compared to the master’s in medical management.”

Show Highlights:

  • Do you need an MBA to further your career?
  • My role as the chief medical officer for an emergency medicine management group as well as other different leadership positions. Why I considered getting a master's in public health, an MBA, and a master’s in medical management offered through the American Association for Physician Leadership.
  • When I was offered an opportunity to assume a leadership role within the healthcare organization, the master's in business administration was a more well-known advanced degree.
  • Why the MBA was the best course for me to pursue and what value it brings to a physician in his/her career role.
  • What the MBA is, the structure of an MBA, what you can expect from it, and the types of things that you should consider before you commit to the time, money and effort that it will require for you to complete this advanced degree. There may be another pathway that will work best for you.
  • Discover why the MBA is a great option for physicians who are poised to assume senior leadership positions in healthcare organizations, payer organizations or even non-provider organizations (such as the pharmaceutical industry and biotech companies).
  • If you are considering accepting a position and making an internal advance in your organization, the MBA is a great way for you to develop business acumen, to learn business skills, learn the language of business, and also an often overlooked aspect is that it allows you to connect with students who are in other business areas.
  • I describe why taking training classes in business, healthcare, accounting, or other aspects of the MBA, or even maybe taking a mini MBA through your own organization may serve you equally well.
  • There are many opportunities for physicians who exhibit great leadership skills and who have had significant experience in leadership opportunities. Don’t immediately assume that you have to have an MBA in order to take advantage of those opportunities.
  • For some roles, especially in larger organizations, if you wish to be on a track where you could assume the role of the chief medical informatics officer, chief medical officer or eventually a chief operating officer or chief executive officer, an MBA is expected.
  • The MBA doesn't exclusively train you to develop leadership skills, but it is a good venue for you to meet other physician leaders, to learn about various leadership skills and to hone those leadership skills.
  • I strongly feel that you should not invest in an MBA until you are at the point in your career where you can see a clear purpose for the skills that you will be learning. You will get more out of an MBA program if you have several years of hands-on experience (whether that is clinical experience as a physician or it's experience in healthcare in a non-physician role).
  • It is much more common for physicians to obtain an executive MBA. These MBA programs are designed for physicians or other executives who are already employed. Discover how the traditional executive MBA is being modified and replaced by a hybrid MBA, where you have a combination of online and onsite courses versus completing being onsite only.
  • As you explore getting the MBA, you will have to decide which one of these forms of an MBA is most well suited to your career at that point to your learning style and somewhat to your financial means. Do you want an MBA that focuses specifically on healthcare? There is a subset of physician only MBA programs. Discover a variety of healthcare oriented MBAs that you can choose from.
  • There are also MBA programs that are not limited to healthcare at all. I see people choosing these types of MBAs specifically when they are interested in entrepreneurship, for example, not necessarily limiting their options specifically to healthcare.
  • I share the most important aspects to look for when choosing an MBA program.
  • The most important courses or training that physicians need when they are taking their MBA is to learn as much as you can about change management which is a significant issue in healthcare. Learning how to manage that change within an organization is something that you should leave your MBA program with significant amount of knowledge and capability.
  • Choose a program that emphasizes the lean management methodology as a primary process improvement and change management strategy. I believe this method is the ultimate way to sustain change in healthcare organizations.
  • Discover why it’s important to choose an MBA program that teaches you how to function in a dyad leadership model with a non-clinician or with a clinician from a different background (such as nursing, physical therapy, and respiratory therapy). When we are managing operations in a hospital, we need to use this co-management as called management model.
  • What does it take to get accepted into an MBA program?
  • Discover the alternatives to an MBA, which is a significant investment in time and dollars. You may find that your needs are met by taking an individual course from the American Association for Physician Leadership, Institute for Healthcare Improvement or Harvard Medical School Leadership Development Course for Physicians and Scientists.
  • American Association for Physician Leadership offers different courses on healthcare, finance, law, ethics, quality, high reliability, and other topics that niche down on areas of education that physicians may need. That may be all that you need at a certain point in your career.
  • Evaluate your career path. See where you are and where you want to go. Determine the direction you want your career to take.

About me:

I’m an experienced physician executive with over 30 years of clinical and administrative experience in various healthcare settings. I’m passionate about coaching and mentoring physicians interested in transitioning to full time or part time non-clinical roles either within the healthcare industry or external to healthcare. I have served as a COO for an emergency medicine management company, CMO for several hospitals, Vice-president of ambulatory quality for a large multispecialty medical group, Vice-president of system quality and safety for a multi-hospital system, along with numerous medical staff positions and other administrative roles.

Connect with me:

Website: https://physiciansbeyondthebedside.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NormMD.BTB

Twitter: https://twitter.com/beyondbedside

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVkvrQa3LULExRtPNvkkuw

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nchapinmd/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ubeyondthebedside/

Additional Resources:

Physician Executive MBA Haslam College of Business University of Tennessee

American Association for Physician Leadership

HMS/HSDM Leadership Development Course for Physicians and Scientists

50 Best Online MBA's for Physicians

Best Online MBA Programs for Physicians

Executive MBA's for Physicians - Look for Zebras

Top Executive MBA Programs for Physicians - Healthcare Management

The Ten-Day MBA 4th Ed.: A Step-by-Step Guide to Mastering the Skills Taught In America's Top Business Schools by Steven Silbiger

The Physician's Essential MBA: What Every Physician Leader Needs to Know by Michael J. Stahl and Peter J. Dean

Institute for Health Care Improvement

American College of Surgeons: Surgeons as Leaders program -- CASEL

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Making a career transition always has its difficulties, especially in clinical medicine. Today’s guest, Dan Kopp, is a long-time friend, retired Chief of Family Medicine, and entrepreneur. In this conversation, Dan shares what inspired him to pursue a career in medicine, the mechanics of his experience and transitions he faced during his time as a clinical physician - as well as what inspired him to leave the clinical world entirely. Join Norm in this very insightful and inspiring conversation with Dan Kopp.

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Show Highlights:

  • Dan shares why and when he decided to pursue a career in medicine
  • Transitioning from being active military to full time physician
  • How you begin to incorporate more than just clinical medicine into your career
  • What brought Dan back to the North East from New York
  • Moving from a chief medical role to leaving clinical work
  • Dan shares what inspired him to pursue interests outside of medicine
  • How switching from a physician to a non-clinical position impacts relationships
  • Dan reveals the lessons he learned from his mentor
  • Learning to get to know the people you work with on different levels
  • The importance of leading by example and absolute integrity
  • Work life balance as a physician and administrator
  • Tricks to preserve work life balance
  • What influenced Dan to start his own business
  • Dan’s learning experience with technology
  • Advice for making difficult transitions out of a clinical position
  • Not being afraid of making a change at any age
  • Why we should be encouraged to follow our dreams and shape our own future

Links:

https://beyondthebedside.net

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Dr. Terry McWilliams is currently a healthcare consultant, but he didn't start out there! So many Physicians work in a consulting role for various organizations, so learning how to step out of a clinical role and into a consulting role is the focus of our conversation with Dr. McWilliams.

This episode will give you lots of information and resources to consider as you move out of the clinical role and become the Physician Consultant!

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Doug and I discuss the value of mentorship, leadership skills, and organized degree programs for physician leaders seeking to transition from clinical to non-clinical roles.

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Installment 1 of 2. My interview with Dr. Doug Apple discussing his transition to the Chief Medical Officer role of a healthcare system in Michigan. Doug also discusses the need for providing leadership development for physicians as they transition their careers. We discuss approaches that Doug used in his role developing leaders.

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Matt is the Chief Clinical Officer of Newark Beth Israel Hospital in Newark, NJ. Matt has been in the role for nearly two years. He shares insights in his journey from practicing primary care in a rural community to becoming the Chief Clinical Officer of the largest healthcare system in New Jersey.

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This is the introductory show to Physicians Beyond the Bedside™.