Cryonics Underground: Recent Episodes
Max Marty & Daniel Walters
The Cryonics Underground podcast explores the fascinating and underappreciated world of Cryonics - the process of pausing your biological functions at the moment of legal death with the goal of reviving you in the future. Join us for in-depth discussions on the scientific, social, philosophical, technological, and political implications of this unique and extraordinary experiment. Featuring leaders in the Cryonics industry alongside futurists, philosophers, scientists, and many others. Get ready to travel on this remarkable journey with us. And remember, it could literally save your life!
In this quick update episode, Max and Daniel take a break from their usual guest format to update you on the Global Cryonics Summit in Miami this July 20th and 21st. Take a quick listen and then check out the show notes for details. If you haven't purchased your tickets yet, you can grab them at GlobalCryonicsSummit.com.
Show Notes:
The event will be taking place at Ampersand Studios. We’ve secured a discounted room rate at the nearby Arlo Wynwood Hotel (you can use this discount link, but it will only work for a limited time so use it fast). That said, Miami is a major travel destination with many wonderful places to stay so feel free to shop around.
If you’ve purchased our Patron Pass ticket, you’ll get a separate email with your pass to our Speaker/Sponsor dinner which will be Saturday evening after the day’s events. If you have already purchased a standard ticket but would like to upgrade to a Patron Pass and join us at Saturday’s Speaker and Sponsors Dinner, please reach out to us a globaycryonicssummit@gmail.com.
Important Note! Join your hosts Max and Daniel, plus luminaries from across the Cryonics industry, at the upcoming Global Cryonics Summit on July 20-21st in Miami, Florida. Go to globalcryonicssummit.com **for early-bird tickets and more information.
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In this episode, Max and Daniel are joined by John Smart, the Vice President and Co-Founder of the Brain Preservation Foundation. Our wide-ranging conversation delves into some of the lesser know alternatives to traditional cryopreservation.
In this episode, we explore:
- John Smarts many roles as a futurist, foresight consultant and entrepreneur.
- The Brain Preservation Foundation: Brief History and Mission
- The Brain Preservation Prize and its winners
- Aldehyde Stabilized Cryopreservation (ASC)
- The many methods of brain preservation science
- Questions about the true cost of brain preservation
- Johns famous article on "The Three Camps of Brain Preservation"
- Debates about the nature of identity and consciousness
- And much more!
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryosphere Cryonics discord server and the Cryonics Subreddit.
Click here for the YouTube video version of this episode.
You can also find the Cryonics Underground Podcast and host Max Marty on Twitter.
Links:
The Brain Preservation Foundation
Aspirational Neuroscience
Foresight University
In this brief update episode, Max and Daniel take a break from their usual guest format to share some exciting announcements and milestones.
In this update episode, we discuss:
- Cryosphere's Growth: Celebrating the big achievement of reaching 1,000 members in our community.
- Upcoming AMA: All about the "Ask Me Anything" session on Saturday, October 28th at 1PM CDT (UTC-5) at the Cryosphere cryonics discord server. Click here to learn about our esteemed panelists and how to participate.
- r/cryonics Subreddit Revamp: The cryonics subreddit is under new management. Get insights into what's new and what to expect in the future.
- Cryonics Conference Teaser: A sneak peek into our plans for an industry-wide Cryonics conference slated for next year and how interested parties can get involved. To get in touch with us about sponsorship, email us at cryonicsunderground@gmail.com
- Next Episode Preview: A hint at our next episode featuring Sayer Johanson, the chief operations officer at Suspended Animation Inc.
Click here for the YouTube video version of this episode.
In this episode, Max and Daniel are joined by James Arrowood, Alcor's new CO-CEO. Our wide-ranging conversation delves into James's approach to leadership, his views on Alcor as a business and several of his upcoming strategic initiatives.
In this captivating conversation, we explore:
- The upcoming strategic meeting taking place in Estes Park, CO on Aug 25th and 26th (see below for tickets and more info).
- How James views his role alongside Marji Klima as CO-CEO.
- How James separates his approach from his predecessors.
- The new in-house DART approach to SST at Alcor
- Alcor vs the competition
- The for-profit non-profit distinctions in the Cryonics industry
- Managing legal exposure and legal risk in this industry
- Community questions
- And more!
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryosphere Cryonics discord server.
Click here for the YouTube video version of this episode.
For tickets to the upcoming strategic meeting in Estes Park, CO, check out this eventbrite page here. The event will be taking place at well known the Stanley Hotel, so be sure to call them for a special member discount on a room for the event.
You can also find the Cryonics Underground Podcast and host Max Marty on Twitter.
In this episode, Max and Daniel sit down with Michael Benjamin to discuss his meta-analysis of Alcor's case history. He is working on a comprehensive meta-analysis of all Alcor patient cases, an endeavor whose goal is to develop, experimentally validate, and refine a quantitative cryopreservation evaluation methodology. Michael brings with him 20 years of experience in physics, engineering and mathematics having worked at places such as NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Brookhaven National Labs and Lockheed Martin.
Topics include:
- Michael's experience in the space industry
- His unique health challenges and how they could affect his cryopreservation
- The inception of Alcor's Meta-Analysis project
- S-Mix score and why he values it as a primary metric
- Concerns and limitations with the S-Mix score
- Some surprising results of the meta-analysis
- The dangers of unattended death and suicide
- The newly established Biostasis Technologies organization and what it means for the industry
- And much more...
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryosphere Cryonics discord server.
Click here to check out our YouTube video version of the episode.
Link to Biostasis Technologies and Michael and Aschwin de Wolf's S-Mix Paper
In this episode, Max and Daniel sit down with the renowned Aubrey de Grey to discuss the connection between life extension and cryonics. They cover a wide range of topics, diving into the latest breakthroughs and obstacles in both fields.
In this captivating conversation, they explore:
- The current state of rejuvenation technologies
- Recent advances in longevity research over the past decade
- Challenges still facing life extension science
- Perspectives on achieving longevity escape velocity
- Progress in robust mouse rejuvenation experiments
- Aubrey de Grey's journey into the world of cryonics
- Tanya Jones's new cryonics venture, Keinice
- Innovative cryopreservation techniques using helium persufflation
- The importance of cryonics vs life extension
- The potential for cryonics to become mainstream
- The search for major donors to support cryonics research
- And much more!
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryosphere Cryonics discord server.
Click here for the YouTube video version of this episode.
Check out the brand new: Longevity Escape Velocity Foundation
Follow Aubrey de Grey on Twitter. You can also find the Cryonics Underground Podcast and host Max Marty on Twitter too.
In this episode we’re speaking with Rebecca Ziegler - Product Manager at Tomorrow Bio, a member of the Berlin Standby Team, and the newest moderator on the Cryosphere.
- Why Rebecca chose business over politics
- What it’s like to work at Tomorrow Bio
- Job opportunities in European Cryonics
- Why Tomorrow Bio is expanding to the US
- Profit vs Nonprofit corporate structures in the Cryonics space
- The motivations of Cryonicists
- Tomorrow Bio’s new “Brain Only” cryopreservation
- Alcor’s “Neuro” option vs TB’s “Brain Only” option
- How Tomorrow Bio views marketing cryonics to the public
- Why Tomorrow Biostasis changed their name to Tomorrow Bio
- Why female cryonicists are less common than male Cryonicsts
- The migration of the Biostasis Hub to the Cryosphere Discord Server
- Questions from the Cryosphere on R&D
- Rebecca’s experience hosting a Ukrainian refugee
- Chat GPT and if cryonicists should be worried about runaway AGI?
You can also check out our video version on YouTube.
As can find Max and Daniel and Rebecca over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord server. And you can find out more about Tomorrow Bio at tomorrow.bio
In this special episode, Max Marty is speaking with return guest host Nikki Olson about the launch of the great Cryonics Survey of 2022. The Cryonics Survey is a large comprehensive survey of Cryonicists, the Cryocurious, and Cryocrastinators; intended to improve our understanding of the people most interested in this audacious endeavor.
---> Please take the survey at http://bit.ly/cryosurvey2022 ! <---
In this episode we discuss:
- Why does the Cryonics community need to better understand its members?
- What kind of data are we collecting with the survey?
- What can we do with this information?
- When will it be published, and what will that look like?
You can also check out our new YouTube version of this episode, here.
As always, you can find Max and Nikki over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord server. (but take the survey first)!
In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Kai Micah Mills. Kai is the Founder of Cryopets, the first company focused on pet cryopreservation. Before founding Cryopets, Kai founded and ran several entrepreneurial ventures the tech space.
In this episode we discuss:
- Kai's history as a tech entrepreneur
- His views on the value (or lack thereof) of traditional schooling
- Growing up religious, and the impact of a religious background
- The life extension tech tree
- Why the life extension community doesn't embrace Cryonics
- Cryopets - what it is, why work on this, where it is now, and where it's going
- Kai’s precise vision for how he intends to execute
- Kai's responses to major objections to his Cryopets plan
- How the Cryonics's industry’s existing views on pet cryopreservation have been detrimental to Cryonics as a whole
- And more!
You can also check out our new YouTube version of this episode, here.
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord server.
- Find out more about Cryopets at Cryopets.com
If you would like a large first year discount when signing up for Alcor, feel free to use our code: CRYOCAST when registering. This will also help support the podcast.
In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Carrie Radomski, President & Board Member of the Lifespan Society of British Columbia.
Carrie is a geoscientist, writer, artist, crypto enthusiast, gold explorer (yes, the kind that goes looking for gold in the Yukon), and much more.
A video version of this podcast will be uploaded soon, we will drop the link here once it is live.
In this episode we discuss:
- The Lifespan Society
- Carrie and her family's long legacy of contrarianism
- Her varied political leanings, past and present
- Carries career as a gold explorer in the Yukon!
- The legend of the Sour Toe whiskey...
- Life extension enthusiasts vs Cryonics enthusiasts
- Gold vs Bitcoin as store of value
- How small planes are more dangerous
- The Lifespan Societies legal challenge of the Crown
- The future of the Lifespan Society as an SST organization
- And much more...
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server.
Links: https://www.lifespansociety.com/
If you would like a large first year discount when signing up for Alcor, feel free to use our code: CRYOCAST when registering. This will also help support the podcast.
To celebrate coming back from our short hiatus, today we bring you our first bonus episode! This is the audio version of the new cryonics YouTube series: The Cryosphere Roundtable.
The question we discuss today is:
- What books should every cryonicist read?
The inaugural episode of a regularly occurring discussion amongst the mods of the The Cryosphere Discord channel. Every month we'll be discussing a different cryonics topic. Occasionally, we'll grab some unwitting members from the channel and force them to look at our faces for an extended period of time. And also talk with us.
If you prefer a visual medium, we suggest you watch the funnier and more animated YouTube version, here.
Lastly, don't forget to check out The Cryosphere community on Discord!
On this episode of the podcast, Max is joined by special guest host and previous guest, Nikki Olson.
For the first time, we're are also publishing the video of our full conversation over on Youtube! You can find it at : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acp6tBSJgE4
Today, Max and Nikki are speaking with long time Cryonicist Robin Hanson. Robin is an associate professor of Economics at George Mason University and a research associate at the Future of Humanity Institute. He's published several books and papers including the Age of Em, The Elephant in the Brain, and most recently a paper on what he calls "Grabby Aliens" a followup to his earlier line of inquiry around the fermi paradox and the possible great filter in front of us. He's also published on the subject of Cryonics for over a decade, much of which can be found on his popular blog, Overcoming Bias.
- Why aren’t more “contrarians”, like Robin, interested in Cryonics?
- The idea of offering to pay for (or defray the cost of) Cryonics for our friends?
- Max’s “GoFreezeMe” idea - to allow anyone to contribute to the cryopreservation of anyone else.
- Prediction markets & Cryonics.
- How could the Cryonics industry grow more quickly in the coming years?
- Theories on why there aren’t more women in Cryonics.
- Revival scenarios & bringing resources with you.
- Plastination and room temperature storage ideas.
- The “Uncanny Valley” problem with Cryonics?
- Brain uploading vs biological repair.
- Why are Cryonicists so… normal?
- Overrated or underrated including:
- Pet Cryonics
- The Simulation Argument
- and more
You can find both Max and Nikki over at the Cryosphere Discord server or email the pod at cryonicsunderground [at] G mail .com
@makesmarty
@robinhanson
In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with Patrick Harris, the CEO and President of Alcor. Patrick is speaking with us today on several major new initiatives he's been working on over the past several months. We'll be doing both a reveal of Patrick's new initiatives along with a deep dive into the thinking and goals behind them.
Before his role at Alcor, Patrick was a healthcare executive, innovator, and business strategist with experience in the healthcare industry including McKesson and Safeway Corporate Pharmacy. Having experience in healthcare technology, products, and services, and managing a couple billion in revenue. He is a named inventor on more than 40 non-public patent applications.
In this episode we discuss:
- Patrick's background and how he came to his position at Alcor
- The obstacles that Alcor had historically struggled with
- Alcor's business model - Research, Education, and Growth
- Alcor's new Enhanced Agreements and Online Signup process
- Alcor's new permanent prepay option
- New Member Options
- Pet Cryonics
- Age Based Due Structures
- The new Independent Cryonics Educator (ICE) Program
- Alcor's future ambitions
- And much more...
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server.
Links:
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Alcor's New Business Model PDF
-
Special Issue of Cryonics Magazine for Alcor’s 50th Anniversary
The Cryonics Underground podcast Is hiring! We're looking for a great audio engineer. Details here.
In this episode Max and Daniel speak with the venerable Ralph Merkle. Among his numerous achievements Ralph is the leading expert on nanotechnology, the inventor of cryptographic hashing and the co-inventor of public key cryptography. He is currently a board member at Alcor.
In today's episode we discuss:
- What is Molecular Nanotechnology?
- How do different people use the phrase "Nano-Tech"
- The use cases for medical nanobots
- How we manipulate the world at the nano scale
- What are the more difficult molecules to work with?
- The intersection of Cryonics and nanotech
- Ralph Merkle's relationship with Cryonics
- Ralph's views on other scientific fields
- Ralphs opinions on cryptocurrency and Bitcoin
- Is Ralph Merkle actually Satoshi Nakamoto?
And much more...
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server.
The Cryonics Underground podcast Is hiring! We're looking for a great audio engineer. Details here.
Links:
- Cryostasis Revival by Robert A. Freitas JR https://www.alcor.org/docs/CryostasisRevivalV2.11.pdf
- http://www.merkle.com/
- Nanofactory Example
- Nanotechnology & Cryonics - Preserving ourselves for the future
- The Scale of the Universe - A simulation to understand just how big (and small) things are.
In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with the legendary Ben Best. Among the numerous cryonics and life extension groups he has been associated with over the years, Ben is most known for being the former president of the Cryonics Institute from 2003 to 2012.
He is a senior member of a cryonics Teens and Twenties group, and he’s currently the director of research and oversight at the biomedical research & longevity society, formerly known as the Life Extension Foundation.
In today's episode we discuss:
- Ben's upbringing
- His struggles to find his place within Cryonics
- Ben's juggling of difficult personalities within the industry
- His disagreements with Robert Ettinger
- Ben's tenure at the Cryonics Institute
- His pivot into life extension
- The differences between younger and older cryonicists
- Ben's thoughts on the state of the industry
- His current endeavors in field
And much more...
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server.
Links: https://benbest.com/
P.S. We are looking for a good podcast audio engineer. More info at
https://bit.ly/3nqK6QW
In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Lisa Harris. Lisa is an Alcor member and an advisor to the board of directors. She is also on Alcor's legal and regulatory committee as well as the research and development committee. Lisa has a background as an attorney, and currently works in healthcare research technology.
In today's conversation we discuss: Trusts and their usefulness to Cryoncists + Lisa and Patrick Harris's own efforts in this space!
- Patient Care Trusts
- Alcor Care Trusts
- Lisa's Personal Revival Trust
- How to deal with long term risk
- Balancing asset-growth with risk mitigation
- When is the right time to be looking into this issue? How much by way of assets do you need before this makes sense?
- Incentivizing your future heirs to behave accordingly
- Should you bury your treasure like a pirate?
Trust us... you don't wanna miss it!
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server.
You can also find Lisa here and get in touch directly with any questions you may have for her.
In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Eric Vogt. Eric is a veteran paramedic, a pilot and one of the two co-founders of I.C.E. - International Cryomedicine Experts. I.C.E is a highly experienced standby, stabilization and transportation company.
In today's conversation we discuss:
- What I.C.E does, and how their organization benefits cryonics.
- Eric's background and how he came to work with Aaron Drake
- A refresher on Standby, Stabilization and Transport
- Why you may want to add private chartered flight to your cryo-plans.
- The challenges of bringing neuro patients through airport security.
And much more...
As always, you can find Max and Daniel over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server.
Links for I.C.E : www.cryomedics.org
Gennady Stolyarov II (G. Stolyarov II) became the second Chairman in the history of the Transhumanist Party in November 2016. Mr. Stolyarov is an actuary, independent philosophical essayist, science-fiction novelist, poet, amateur mathematician, composer, and Editor-in-Chief of The Rational Argumentator, a magazine championing the principles of reason, rights, and progress. Mr. Stolyarov regularly produces YouTube Videos discussing life extension, politics, philosophy, and related subjects.
In December 2013, Mr. Stolyarov published Death is Wrong, an ambitious children’s book on life extension. Death is Wrong can be found on Amazon in paperback and Kindle formats, and can also be freely downloaded in PDF format in the English, Russian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese languages.
Mr. Stolyarov is the current chairman of the US Transhumanist Party and Chief Executive of the Nevada Transhumanist Party, established in August 2015.
In today's episode we discuss:
- What is Transhumanism, and what does it have to do with Cryonics?
- The history of Transhumanism as a philosophical movement and as a political party.
- Gennady's personal journey towards Transhumanism.
- The political structure and political goals of the Transhumanist Party.
- Big umbrella vs small umbrella party politics and other political strategy.
- How Cryonics fits into the Transhumanist platform.
And much more...
As always, you can find us over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite (or least favorite, as the case may be) search company.
[Note, there are two small audio glitches at 25:00 to 26:00.]
Joseph Kowalsky is a long-time Cryonicist and Officer at the Cryonics’s Institute’s leadership team. Joseph is also a financial consultant and has spoken publicly on behalf of Cryonics at various events in the past. Joseph is leading the fight to promote organ cryopreservation via the Cryo-prize.
In this episode we discuss:
- Joseph's Orthodox Jewish upbringing and its relationship with Cryonics
- How he interprets the intersection of faith and Cryonics
- Misconceptions about religious Cryonicists
- Joseph's memories of Robert Ettinger, the Founder of Cryonics
- How the Cryonics Institute keeps its prices so low
- The need for better organ Cryopreservation
- Joseph's involvement with the Cryo-Prize
- Musings on the Modern Star Trek Movies
And much more...
You can find more on the Cryoprize at www.facebook.com/cryoprize and you can easily donate to them every time you buy something on amazon by selecting them as your smile.amazon.com recipient. This donates money to the Cryoprize every time you shop on amazon without costing you anything extra.
As always, you can find us over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite (or least favorite, as the case may be) search company.
Links:
https://www.cryoprize.com/
In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Nikki Olson. Nikki is a writer and researcher in the field of futurism and trans-humanist topics and she is currently working as a software engineer. She is one of the worlds top experts in the field of life monitoring as it pertains to Cryonics.
In today's conversation we discuss:
- Nikki's journey to becoming interested in Cryonics
- How Nikki decided life monitoring was an issue that needed to be solved
- The current devices and software available on the market
- What differentiates a traditional life monitoring device from ones that could be used for Cryonicists
- The challenges in retrofitting current devices such as the Fit Bit or Apple Watch for specialized purposes
- The possibilities of open source software for creating a useful product
- The pitfalls of life monitoring alarms and false readings
And much more...
As always, you can find us over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite search company.
In this episode we speak with Chris Gillett. Chris worked alongside Emil Kendziorra from EBF and Tomorrow Biostasis to conduct a survey of the public's sentiments towards Cryonics. In this episode we will cover the surprising results of this survey including:
-How the public's perceives of Cryonics and Biostasis
-The unexpected positivity and attitude of the general public
-Perceptions on the financial cost of cryo-preservation
-Gender and age differences in relation to Cryonics
-How attitudes towards death predict interest in cryo-preservation
-The misconceptions we have of the public's opinion
As always, you can find Daniel and I over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite search company.
Show Links:
1. Summary of EBF Survey
2. Full Published EBF Survey
3. Less Wrong Survey
4. YouGov Burials Survey (2018)
5. Survey of Cryonics Community
In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Peter Tsolakides. Peter is the founder, director and chairman of Southern Cryonics- the first and only Cryonics organization in Australia. In the past, Peter held senior management roles in a major international oil company and has over 30 years experience in the fields of marketing, strategic planning, and project development and implementation.
In today's wide ranging conversation we discuss:
- The state of Cryonics in Australia
- Why Peter decided he had to start Australia's first Cryo-Org
- Legal, practical, and business considerations for new Cryo-Org's
- The “Four Pillars” to making Cryonics a reality in Australia
- Bridging the philosophical and the practical issues of Cryonics
- Some projections for Cryonics growth in Australia in the coming years and decades
- Fears of "Tall Poppy Syndrome" and flying below the radar
- Marketing Cryonics in Australia
- Mind uploading vs Biological revival
- Southern Cryonics as a global diversification/hedge against risk
As always, you can find Daniel and I over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite search company.
In this episode Max and Daniel speak with Aaron Drake. Aaron is the Director of Research and Chief Specialist at the Yinfeng Institute for Biological Sciences, based in Shandong, China. He previously worked as a Senior Medical Response Consultant for Alcor and also serves as the Managing Director for Arizona Medical Sciences. He was recently featured in the Netflix Documentary: Hope Frozen.
In today’s wide ranging conversation we discuss:
- What happens during Standby, Stabilization, and Transport
- How Aaron Drake minimizes the three major types of damage: Ischemia, Ice Formation, and Decomposition
- Clinical death vs legal death vs physiological death
- What’s a “field washout” is, and how it differs from a “field cryopreservation”
- The power of county health departments and why you should plan to die on a Tuesday
- Why your pet might get a better cryopreservation than you
- How to deal with hospital or hospice personnel, the funeral industry, and other pieces of the puzzle
- The Yinfeng Institute and the current state of Cryonics in China
- The cultural differences between the Chinese and Western attitudes towards death and the afterlife
- The scalability of Cryonics in the highly populated China
- Lessons taken from the infamous Chatsworth incident
As always, you can find Daniel and I over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided the "big number" company.
This is our second episode with Emil Kendziorra. Emil is the founder of Tomorrow Biostasis and the European Biostasis Foundation, two new Cryonics service organizations that have started up in Europe.
This is part two of a two part episode with Emil. In this second part we cover:
- Practical considerations around signing up with Tomorrow Biostasis
- The neuro vs whole body question
- The legal & regulatory environment for Cryonics in Europe
- The importance of hands-on training for personnel involved in the biostasis procedure from start to finish
- The marketing of Cryonics
- Sharing of resources & ideas across Cryonics orgs around the globe
- Long-term wealth management for Cryonics
- Emil’s thoughts on philosophical issues of identity, uploading, consciousness, and other issues surrounding Cryonics
- Emil’s ideas on Aldehyde Stabilized Cryopreservation
- Emil’s predictions on the success of this endeavor
As always, you can find Daniel and I over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite search company.
In this episode we speak with Emil Kendziorra. Emil is the founder of Tomorrow Biostasis and the European Biostasis Foundation, two new Cryonics service organizations that have started up in Europe.
This is part one of a two part episode with Emil. In this first part we cover:
- Why signing up for Cryonics sooner (when you have more of a zest for life) is better than later (when that zest may be waning or forgotten).
- Why Emil is working on Cryonics instead of Life Extension and the undue optimism for Life Extension relative to Cryonics
- Long term strategic issues within the field of Cryonics
- Sentiments towards biostasis research paper
- The One-click Cryonics signup goal
- A breakdown of each of Emil’s startups and how they’re interconnected.
- The Game Theory behind Emil’s org charts and corporate governance
As always, you can find Daniel and I over at the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite search company.
Daniel and I have finally managed to dig ourselves out of the great Texan freeze of 2021 to bring you part two of our two-part episode with Cryonics Institute president Dennis Kowalski.
In this part we cover:
- What is preventing people from signing up for Cryonics and how did Kowalski go from a Cryocrastinator to fully signed up? (Hint: a magazine called Omni!)
- How has Kowalski changed the organization since he started having a say over its strategic goals?
- The differences between The Cryonics Institute and Alcor, and how should a consumer select between between them?
- The importance of the Cryonics Institute check-in app for individuals living alone and similar circumstances.
Please note: Like the first part of our interview with Kowalski, the audio in this episode is a bit rough (though better than part one). But also as before, we worked hard to minimize these issues so we could bring you Kowalski's wisdom, and hope you find this discussion on the merits of proper Cryonics planning (among other things) as valuable as we did.
You can find out more about the Cryonics Institute over at their website. And you can find us over on the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite tech company based in Mountain View.
In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with Dennis Kowalski of the Cryonics Institute. Kowalski is the current President of the Cryonics Institute, a Fire Fighter, and a Nationally Registered EMT-Paramedic.
This is part one of a two-part conversation. This part covers the following and more:
- The History of Cryonics Institute and its Founder
- How CI has managed to keep their prices the same since inception
- The benefits of having a healthy vascular system for preservation
- The importance of having a good relationship with your local funeral director, your family, your friends, and even your neighbors.
- How careful planning can help you avoid the straight freeze.
- Why Cryonics is the only game in town if you're interested in seeing the future.
Please note: The audio in this episode is a bit rough in a few patches. But we worked hard to minimize these issues so we could bring you Kowalski's wisdom, and hope you find this discussion on the merits of proper Cryonics planning (among other things) as valuable as we did.
As always, you can find us over on the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite multicolored logo company.
In this episode, Max and Daniel speak with Dr. Max More. More is the Ambassador and President Emeritus of Alcor and is well known for his public media interviews, his excellent essays on the Cryonics industry, and his philosophical writings. In today’s podcast, More and the gang speak about:
- One-minute elevator-pitches that you to use to explain Cryonics to the cryo-curious.
- The personality traits that make you more or less inclined to Cryonics.
- Difficulties in marketing cryonics.
- The amazing things Alcor could achieve with much greater resources.
- The relationship between and among Alcor and other Cryonics organizations.
- Fostering community within the Cryonics movement.
- Promising new areas of Cryonics research.
- More's thoughts on the "Warren" equation and chances of Cryonics success.
- Our new overrated or underrated segment.
We cover all these topics and more (!) in this exciting discussion with a titan of the community.
As always, you can find us over on the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server. If you’re interested in donating to Alcor’s current RAPID research initiative, you can join the server to be eligible to have your donation doubled. See the “Announcements” channel for details. You can also reach us directly by email at cryonicsunderground [at] the email service provided by everyone's favorite search company.
Welcome to The Cryonics Underground Podcast!
This episode is a short introduction to Cryonics where we answer the big questions:
- What is it?
- Why is it a good idea?
- How does it work?
- How much does it cost?
- What can we expect when someone comes out of it?
You can reach us at cryonicsunderground@gmail.com, or come say hello to us at the Cryonics Underground channel in the Cryosphere cryonics community Discord server.
For a great written introduction to Cryonics, check out Tim Urban's Wait but Why article on Cryonics. Lesswrong also has a great series of articles on Cryonics that we recommend.
See you all next week, when we'll be starting our Cryonics interviews.
In this episode, Max & Daniel speak with Rudi Hoffman. Hoffman is well known in the Cryonics community as a speaker, writer, and purveyor of Cryonics life insurance and other related financial services. In today's podcast, we take a deep dive into:
- Life insurance: it’s history, how it works, why it’s so powerful, and why the smart money puts real money into life insurance.
- Hoffman’s personal journey and how his outlook on Cyronics was and wasn’t affected by his recent fight with cancer.
- Hoffman’s new book on Cryonics estate planning and how we can be revived from cryostasis in good financial health if we play our cards right.
If you’d like to get in touch with us you can find us over on the Cryonics Underground Channel in the Cryosphere Cryonics discord chat server.
Show links:
- Rudi Hoffman - http://rudihoffman.com/
- Rudi Hoffman, The Affordable Immortal - www.amzn.com/B07F18M6WZ
- Matt Ridley, The Rational Optimist -https://www.amzn.com/B003MY7RGG/
- Steven Pinker, Enlightenment Now - https://www.amzn.com/B075F8M2MC
In this episode, Max and Daniel interview philosopher Theodore Schick, Jr of Muhlenberg College and discuss the big philosophical questions behind Cryonics:
- Is Cryonics a science, a pseudo-science , or something else entirely?
- What does it mean to preserve your identity?
- Should you be worried about mind-uploading?
- Are humans natural born dualists?
- How might scenarios of the future upend our ethical and philosophical intuitions?
We tackle all of these questions and more in a wide-ranging discussion that you should definitely be losing sleep over! As always, you can find us over at The Cryosphere discord server, or email us at cryonicsunderground@gmail.com with your comments.
Show notes:
Links:
- Theodore (Ted) Schick, Jr. - https://www.muhlenberg.edu/academics/philosophy/ourfaculty/theodoreschickjr/
- How to Think About Weird Things https://www.amazon.com/How-Think-About-Weird-Things-ebook/dp/B07N1S3SLZ
- Doing Philosophy https://www.amzn.com/0078119170
- S.E.T.I https://seti.org/seti-institute/Search-Extraterrestrial-Intelligence
- Drake Equation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
