Experts On The Wire Podcast – Evolving SEO: Recent Episodes

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Sarah Presch, is Digital Marketing Director at Dragon Metrics. She holds degrees in both Psychology and Digital Marketing and has been doing SEO, Marketing and Psychomarketing in corporate roles for 12 years.

As SEOs, I think we spend FAR too much time obsessing over Google ‘Ranking Factors’ (most recently the API leaks) and NOT enough time trying to actually understand and empathize with searchers – the people we are supposedly making content for and trying to win over in the SERPs.

In this conversation, Sarah brings her unique perspective drawing from her background in psychology to help unpack some of the psychological perspectives searchers have – particularly cognitive biases.

If you want to gain a deeper understanding and get into the minds of the people who search Google – the same people who traffic websites and ultimately drive revenue and business goals for sites and businesses – this episode is definitely worth a listen!

Topics In This Episode:

  • Cognitive Biases in Search
  • Why were AI Overviews such a miss for Google?
  • The importance of fact-checking for SEO content
  • Search and Social Impacts on the Nervous System
  • How did biases impact how the SEO world reacted to Google’s API Leaks?
  • Biases like Confirmation Bias in SEO Case Studies
  • Why do overconfident people actually believe they are good at SEO?
  • Should Google play a role in preventing misinformation?
  • What else can we as SEOs do to understand searchers better?

And much more – listen now!

Related Episodes You Might Like

  • 127: Image Optimization, Algorithmic Biases, ADHD & SEO w/Myriam Jessier
  • 097: Improve Your SEO With Keyword Psychographics w/Marty Weintraub

Articles, Resources, and Links

  • https://www.dragonmetrics.com/confirmation-bias/
  • https://www.sarahpresch.com/post/cognitive-biases-in-seo
  • Neurodivergents in SEO
  • Google API Leak: Sparktoro’s initial post about it
  • The Cyber Effect (book about misinformation online)
  • GBH’s Video mentioned re: the Title Update and example of Framing
  • Giulia Panozzo
  • Myriam Jessier
  • Petra Kis-Herczegh

Find Sarah Online

  • Sarah on LinkedIn
  • Sarah on Twitter
  • Sarah’s Website

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Will Critchlow is the CEO of SearchPilot, an SEO A/B testing company. I invited Will back to Experts on the Wire to discuss the Future of SEO. I feel like things have felt very turbulent and uncertain in the SEO world lately (more than usual!) – because of things like AI/Chat-GPT, changes in how the community engages online, GA4, massive SERP changes from Google, and changes in the economy and world at large post-covid.

I’ve always known Will for having a great perspective on the future of our industry so I wanted to get his take on what the future of SEO holds. Is THIS finally the inflection moment where ‘SEO is dead’? How does he see the next 5-10 years playing out? If it’s not dying, how will it look different? What should SEOs and businesses be doing to future-proof their marketing? How do we all navigate these big changes?

Topics In This Episode Include:

  • How is AI affecting informational queries?
  • What the ancient steel and iron industry has to do with content
  • Is it worth still investing in content marketing?
  • How is the eCommerce SEO space changing? Is eCommerce and spending online down or is it growing?
  • Challenges for new people entering the SEO space
  • And lots more…

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Related Episodes You Might Like

  • Surviving SEO in an AI World w/Sara Taher
  • SEO Ranking Factors, A/B Testing and the Evolution of SEO w/Will Critchlow

Tools Mentioned

  • Chat GPT
  • Gemini
  • SearchPilot
  • Content Aced (50% off – affiliate link)

Articles, Resources, and Links Mentioned

  • https://www.perplexity.ai/
  • Where Web Users Spend Their Time vs Where Traffic Referrals Originate – Sparktoro
  • Google Anti-Trust Trial Documents
  • Women in Tech SEO

Find Will Online

  • Will on LinkedIn
  • Will on Twitter

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Kristine Schachinger is an SEO Consultant, specializing in Technical SEO, SEO Website Audits, Growth Strategies, Google Penalty Recovery, Accessibility, Usability, LLMs, & Social Media. She has been an SEO for over 15 years and helped sites like Instacart, Vice, Zappos, usa.gov and many more.

Topics In This Episode Include:

  • Why AI vs Human Content Comparison Studies are Silly
  • How AI has Changed SEO
  • How Does Google Detect “AI Content”?
  • Deep Dive Into The Helpful Content Update
  • Google’s Search Generative Experience
  • Why Core Web Vitals Is NOT a Ranking Factor Now
  • E.A.T.T. Myths and Why It’s Not a Ranking Factor, Ranking Signal or Ranking System
  • How To Learn About SEO From “The Source”
  • How To Find and Hire The Right SEO (And how to attract the right clients if you are an SEO)
  • Kristine’s Approach to Providing SEO Consulting

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Related Episodes You Might Like

  • Surviving SEO in an AI World with Sara Taher
  • “The Email” (A Solo Episode from 2017 about Google Phantom Update)

Tools Mentioned

  • Midjourney
  • Sitebulb
  • Content Aced (50% off – affiliate link)
  • More being added soon!

Articles, Resources, and Links Mentioned

  • Kristine’s Post About AI vs Human Content
  • Detecting AI Content with Watermarking (NY Times)
  • Google’s Developer Guide to Ranking Systems
  • Kristine’s Post About “EEAT” on LinkedIn
  • My article from 2020 about EAT and Core Updates
  • More Being Added Soon!

Find Kristine Online

  • Kristine on LinkedIn

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Join me for 5 mins with some updates about Experts on the Wire (and new episode announcements!)

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If you’re trying to keep up with AI in the SEO world, while remaining strategic and not just following a checklist, this episode is for you!

My guest today is Sara Taher who has been an SEO consultant since 2014.

Topics In This Episode Include:

  • How to incorporate AI in your SEO workflow (tons of great tools mentioned!)
  • The Risk of AI to Content Creators
  • The importance of TikTok SEO, Video Indexing, and having Video Strategy
  • Create YouTube descriptions with AI
  • A little something for you tech SEO fans – a couple of interesting ways to audit a site f or JS and SEO
  • And lots more!

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Related Episodes You Might Like

  • Image Optimization and Algorithmic Biases w/Myriam Jessier
  • Rendering, Crawl Budget and JavaScript SEO w/Martin Splitt

Tools Mentioned

  • ChatGPT
  • ChatGPT Code Interpreter
  • Jasper
  • Midjourney
  • Eightify YouTube Summaries
  • Fixing eye content on videos with AI
  • The Web Developer Plugin
  • View Rendered Source Plugin

Articles, Resources, and Links Mentioned

  • LearningSEO.io
  • https://www.perplexity.ai/
  • The Risk of AI To Content Creators
  • Video Indexing Report
  • SEO in the age of AI
  • Doing SEO for TikTok
  • Scraping YouTube with Python
  • Auditing JavaScript for SEO

Find Sara Online

  • Sara’s Blog
  • Sara on LinkedIn

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It’s hard to convey the huge variety of topics we covered in this action-packed episode with just a 60-character title!

Myriam Jessier is an SEO Trainer, SEO Consultant, and co-owner of PRAGM, a technical marketing agency. She speaks three languages and has been doing SEO for over 15 years.

I had a blast talking with her, and I learned a lot listening back to this conversation – this was my longest episode ever clocking in at almost 2 hours! But it will fly…

Topics In This Episode Include:

  • Breaking through the “curse of knowledge” in SEO
  • Understanding the psychology and emotions of searchers
  • The weaknesses of keyword intent analysis at scale
  • Why PageSpeed Insights may not realize you’ve already compressed your images
  • Working with developers
  • Understanding “Graceful degradation”
  • Applying Librarian Skills to SEO
  • A GeoIP Redirects Rant
  • Algorithmic Biases, Gendered Language, and Keyword Research
  • The parallels between furniture design and SEO
  • Tips for working in SEO with ADHD
  • And lots more!

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  • The Worst Technical SEO Mistakes To Avoid w/Olga Zarr
  • Seizing The Image Search Opportunity w/Jess Peck

Agenda and Timestamps

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Tools Mentioned

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Articles, Resources, and Links Mentioned

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Find Myriam Online

  • Myriam on LinkedIn
  • Myriam on Twitter
  • PRAGM Search Agency
  • SEO Cash Flow w/Myriam and Olga Zarr

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If you’re looking for creative ideas and strategies for creating more authoritative content and earning backlinks passively, this episode is for you! Monique is an SEO Consultant, Digital Strategist, Content Creator, Podcaster, and lots more. After nearly three years with the Wiideman Consulting Group where she led a 20% average increase in inbound organic search […]

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My guest today Olga Zarzeczna audited over 100 sites in a two-year period – and from that compiled a massive list of 99+ tech SEO mistakes. On today’s episode, we talk through some of the worst of the worst tech SEO mistakes you should avoid. And, answer some tech SEO questions from Twitter.   Listen […]

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Tech SEO fans this episode is for you! If you are curious about what it’s like doing SEO for a site with 70M+ URLs indexed, how to handle challenging issues like migrating millions of URLs across 250,000+ distinct websites, and what it’s like doing SEO in-house for such a gigantic site you’ll definitely want to […]

The post 121: In-House, Large Scale SEO (Migrations, Crawl Optimization & More) w/Becky Westmoreland appeared first on Evolving SEO.

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What does Google core updates have to do with the now old concept of the “Google Dance”? The Google Dance was an SEO nuisance from years ago, and the core updates are a more modern challenge. The connection lies in the fact that you can’t separate the past of SEO from where we are today. […]

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Jon Morrow has consistently and repetitively grown the blog traffic for several sites and organizations. In the early days of CopyBlogger, he helped take them to 3.5M page views a month. He then helped KissMetrics grow from 0-130,000 visits per month. And he has grown his own site SmartBlogger to well over 140,000 monthly visits […]

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In this episode: How to find image SEO opportunities Image traffic attribution How to optimize for image SEO The value of using and testing with screen readers BEYOND accessibility What is visual search and how to optimize for it Listen Now! Related Episodes You Might Like Optimizing Crawl Budget To Improve Web Traffic w/Vanessa Fox The […]

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In this episode: Doing SEO for a big retailer What an SEO Insight Technology Manager does Using PPC to Strategize for SEO Why/when/how to use Power BI What is the “data hulk”?! Does CTR actually impact ranking? (Based on data) Strategically dealing with Holiday and Seasonal content Communicating SEO value to executives. Claudia Higgins is […]

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This special episode was recorded live on stage at TechSEO Boost in Boston on December 5th 2019. I was honored to host a panel on Advanced Analytics for SEO with some really smart guests: Aja Frost – Hubspot Jim Gianoglio – Bounteous Colleen Harris – CDK Global Alexis Sanders – Merkle In this episode, you […]

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