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After some catching up and house cleaning from a brief hiatus, the guys start down a list of things we don't believe in. Topics in this episode include fossil fuels, recycling, the rapture, the diamond industry, the population crisis, and man-made climate change. There's a little something for everyone in this episode!

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Sometimes being on a platform obscures the view of the work and preparation it takes to serve well. This goes beyond the ministry context. We see it played out in sports, business, public speaking, etc. Nearly every time someone does something excellent, they make it look easy... but it's not.

So you have a call from God on your life. What do you do next? Run up on the first stage you find? How do I move forward?

The guys get real about their journey into ministry. We hope this episode serves you, no matter where you are called.

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The guys discuss the chaos and confusion of American political 'silly season.' Stick around for an illustration involving fireworks and the moon. The political hope, intrigue, and upheaval is passing away quickly - there are eternal things that matter much more. But, it sure is fun to watch!!

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Fear is often used as a motivational tool to get you to vote, buy something, go somewhere, or stay home under the covers. We cannot be afraid of everything, so in this episode, the guys put everything people fear in 2024 into a tournament style bracket to figure out what should scare us most!

We are not afraid - but we intend to be decisive! Let us know all the stuff we got wrong here:

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This episode is a co-release with our friends from Silver Screen Biases, reviewing the 2005 hit movie: V for Vendetta. Over at SSB, Jeff and Nelson review movies from the IMDB Top 250 and look for the truth claims made within it.

We truly enjoyed being on some previous episodes of theirs, if you'd like to check those out:

Return of the Jedi : Sheldon and Nate

Star Wars : Sheldon and Rylan

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Sheri Martin joins the show to discuss rebuilding from nothing, how writing can lead to healing, why Taylor is popular, and how to believe in people who are in process.

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Christians have all kinds of phrases that don't come from Scripture. There's even more sayings and proverbs that sound biblical that culture often attributes to the church that aren't backed up by Scripture. This week the guys challenge some of these common phrase by holding them up and examining a few of them, one at time. If you think of a few more, please feel free to drop us a note below:

We reference Episode 86 of the Naked Bible Podcast on the Head Covering of 1 Corinthians 11. Here's the link to that episode.

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The unstoppable Emily Fertig joins the podcast from Arizona! She shares her experiences starting a band, landing a record deal, leading worship, preaching, and parenting. We also get to hear her unfiltered opinion on the whole Taylor Swift phenomenon. Find Emily at: https://emilyirenefertig.com/

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Ben Smith joins the guys to talk about practical discipleship and ministry, no matter where you work. As a former youth pastor, we get his first impression of Nate, a few stories from the vault, and some good advice on following your calling.

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We continue the discussion of paganism and gnosticism that was started last episode. Clarifications are made and new bunny trails explored. Let us know what you think of the episode by leaving a rating on this podcast platform or talk to us at:

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Other podcasts referenced in the episode are: The Naked Bible Podcast (Dr. Michael Heiser), Haunted Cosmos, and Blurry Creatures.

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The guys discuss gnosticism after breifly being distracted by lemon seeds, Ben Franklin's cadaver collection, and Big Bird's Challenger disaster.

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A far-ranging episode including 40th birthdays, New Years celebrations, National Parks, and the differences between men and women.

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Last time we talked with Rylan about Star Wars was four years ago! He was 9 and this show was in its infancy. If you missed the first one click here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/star-wars-with-9-yr-old-rylan-stauffer/id1299974029?i=1000466119937

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Brad and Nelson discuss anarchy and agorism from a Christian perspective. Along the way we also discuss dinosaurs, the atonement, pacifism, and paying taxes. This is a fun thought excercise on what you believe a Christian's role in government should be and how we respond to the role of government in society.

Nelson joins from Silver Screen Biases

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Steph Mast joins the show to tell her story. If you've wondered what the church experience looks like from the perspective of a single mother. If you have seen the faith of others but never felt like you had your own. Or, if you are navigating deconstruction through church hurt, Steph is here to offer hope and honesty about the journey.

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After a quick aside about the temple mount, the rapture, and Israel, the guys discuss Ohio's November abortion referendum. This is not one to sit out - it's time to engage and be informed about this important vote! Even if you don't live in Ohio, this issue is coming to your state soon and this is an informative look at what to expect.

Text of Issue 1

Greg Locke wrongly says that a new temple will bring on the return of Christ. 1:16 of this video clip.

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In this one the guys discuss "Rich Men North of Richmond", the advent of AI, and whether or not the virtual world is ready to replace the real one.

Oliver Anthony's song here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro

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Are new movies terrible, or do we just remember the good ones? Time to bring in our guests from Silver Screen Biases to get to the bottom of it! If you scroll through their catalog, you'll see that we were guests on their show several weeks ago. That episode is a great place to start for some context to this conversation.

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Ever thought about asking this question to your wife, but you were too scared to know the answer? In this episode, the guys tackle Col 3:18 and similar passages by asking both our wives the same question: "Are you submissive?" Buckle up!

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This episode discusses the Christian tension between following liturgy and following the Spirit by going off script. Seeking to include fundamentalist and charismatic streams in the same family can be difficult - but it's necessary. Don't worry, there's plenty of other randomness in this grab bag! Enjoy...

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The guys start talk about concerts, then Bigfoot, then ... well, you'll just have to listen to it.

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The guys discuss work, occupation, and should it define who we are. The conversation kicks off with a recap of our time on Silver Screen Biases podcast talking about Return of the Jedi. Find their show here: https://silverscreenbiases.buzzsprout.com/ Or just click here for the episode on Apple Podcasts

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After a short aside about math trivia and irresponsible budgets, this episode focuses on Christian baptism. Why do we do it? What happens to the person being baptised? Who should be baptised?

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This is our sixth year producing this podcast! We took a short hiatus and are re-introducing our show for the 2023 season. Look for a longer episode to be uploaded very soon this week.

Also, in this episode we announce our guest appearances on Silver Screen Biases. You can check out Sheldon's guest appearance discussing New Hope and both of the guys discussing Return of the Jedi over on their podcast. Just click here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/silver-screen-biases/id1643626169

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The topics pulled out of the hat in this episode include the book of Revelation, deconstructing faith, and the overpopulation myth. 

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The topics pulled out of the hat in this episode include the book of Revelation, deconstructing faith, and the overpopulation myth. 

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In this episode the guys dive into a new conspiracy theory and compare recent armed responses to mass gun violence. 

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The guys discuss Chick Tracts and a podcast that has helped them think through the Bible in a new way. 

Link to the Naked Bible Podcast episode 86 that is referenced.

Chick Publications website

Chick Tract wikipedia page

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The guys discuss Australia, guns, and ways that the United States is different. Hope you enjoy it!

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This episode opens with a story of a bizarre kidnapping, but the bulk of the episode is focused on explaining the Christian practice of tithing, what it has meant to each of us, and common objections to the practice and implementation of it. 

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You will absolutely love this lively conversation with Kim Friend! She shares her story of overcoming a broken home when she was young, early difficulty connecting with church, subsequent personal struggles and adversity - and not only surviving these things but thriving. She gets real about what it takes to look yourself in the mirror, own your past, and what it takes to build a new foundation. This podcast is a celebration of (and with) one of our favorite people... hope you enjoy getting to know Kim :)

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Scott Johnson joins the show to discuss End Times, Revelation, and the Rapture. This is becomes a life-giving discussion and not sensationalized in the way you might expect. Give it a listen, then let us know what you think by giving the episode a rating or connecting with us at:

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The guys discuss movies that impacted them and also get into the RvW discussion. Join the discussion or let us know what you think:

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People are better at calling out pride and arrogance than identifying humility. We dive into what true humility looks like in the modern day. 

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Topics discussed include: the passing of Norm Macdonald, Covid tests, experiencing Covid, Anabaptists, and all-male Taliban government... among others. This episode gets interrupted in the middle and we pick up recording the following week. 

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This one covers a lot of ground. In the end, we'll get around to issues of personal freedom. We hope you enjoy the journey! As always, this is a conversation... it's just the things we say.

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Did you go camping as a kid? Were you ever persuaded to travel cross country with little kids? Where did your family go to relax? The guys journey back in time, collect some anecdotes, discuss the changes they encountered along the way. Take the journey with us and leave an episode review when you're done!

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We came into this episode with no agenda and no topic. Just two mics between friends. Fair warning that our conversation tonight may contain rants on taxes, guns, the election, and other lighthearted topics. But, it's a fun ride that contains twice as many "Did you know?" questions. So, enjoy!

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Science teacher, game master, and AK Rowdies founder Eric Heller joins the guys to talk about public speaking, blind luck, and why nothing actually sucks. This one is gold all the way through!

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Nelson returns to the show to talk about cults. How to know you're in one, how to get out, and what others can do for those caught up in them. There's lots of personal opinions and experiences shared. These conversations can be difficult to navigate, but we hope you'll join us as we talk it out together. 

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... hint: it's not with our fists, unless it's rock/paper/scissors 

This episode is more of a therapy session than an instructional guide. In it the guys discuss everyday verbal disagreements. How they get in them, get out of them, and navigate their way through. Maybe we can all learn together!

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Some of the biggest stories of our lifetime have been almost forgotten or coverage has just been dropped. We check in on a bunch of them, doing marginal research. You're going to need these links to keep up!

Ventrac vs California fires: https://youtu.be/mm1Rij7dvWI

FBI and Nancy's laptop: https://tinyurl.com/jpeknck6

Biden arrested in the Senate chamber: https://youtu.be/mGfte3vyTbU?t=80

Joseph Kony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kony

Balloon Boy MSNBC full coverage: https://youtu.be/-IuU1JEXayU

Balloon Boy "for the show" clip: https://youtu.be/wI6UONWCq7A

Balloon Boy 10 years later: https://youtu.be/O6Gc38ib1qo

Ghislaine Maxwell jail: https://tinyurl.com/3ej4t8p6

Notre Dame fire and restoration, in-depth breakdown: https://tinyurl.com/krhua3r8

Reporting on Notre Dame fire shortly after the event: https://tinyurl.com/86mp92jv

Early 2019 Newsweek article on attacks against Catholic churches in France: https://tinyurl.com/xny2a2my

Nancy Kerrigan's brother & father: https://tinyurl.com/b8ybvfw6

Kerrigan now: https://tinyurl.com/5b9xn7uc

Terri Schiavo case, as reported in 2005: https://tinyurl.com/5bws7xr7

Michael Schiavo remarries: https://tinyurl.com/2v72s4wz

CNN what we know about Las Vegas shooting: https://tinyurl.com/8x8rbkd9

NY Times - Las Vegas shooting audio analyzed (graphic warning): https://youtu.be/LSX3aEEkl7s

Media reporting on suicides: https://tinyurl.com/y9dcca2s

Run Hide Fight: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11456054/

Anders Breivik: https://tinyurl.com/8545uayf

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We tried to read/listen through the entire Bible in 30 days. That's a fine New Year's resolution but why would anyone even attempt this? What does it take and do you even get anything out of it?

Here's some links...

The Shred explained in .pdf form https://tinyurl.com/fwc9wh2r

The 30-day Shred YouVersion Plan https://tinyurl.com/ym2bv9tr 

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You've heard of conspiracy theories - but what if some of those tales end up being true? This episode touches on a few of the times the US government carried out medical experiments or covered up medical blunders. The guys also bring back an old favorite: "Things we don't understand." 

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Alaina joins the show to give a first-hand account of going through middle school in 2020, advocate for raising allowances, and helping dads of girls get it right.

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This episode covers American Civics 101, driving lessons, and discussions on phrases involving pudding. Give us your feedback or thing you wish people knew at:

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This episode begins with the most serendipitous or extremely coincidental moments we have experienced. The guys then discuss the tension of 2020 between compassion and freedom, loving from a distance, and Constitutional issues vs Kingdom issues.

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Continuing our series on strange or little known Bible stories. Submit yours or keep the conversation going at:

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The guys begin a series on Bible stories that may be forgotten or overlooked. To continue the conversation click to:

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We let our audience control this episode through Facebook Live. It's fun, random, and rapid-fire! We recorded live and published the interaction unedited for your listening pleasure. Enjoy!

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Nelson joins Nate and Sheldon to discuss Calvinism vs. Arminianism, the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, and how to find unity in the most divisive Christian debates. But before things get too serious, we have to settle whether Indiana Jones or Star Wars is superior, and stray into thorny issues surrounding professional sports.

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Image of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral: https://tinyurl.com/y58vdzhc 

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What does it take to be right with God? Does it mean just giving assent to certain set of ideas? Maybe do this list of things but don't do this other list of things? How can a person be holy or become holy? Sheldon and Nate take a shot at these questions and a lot more. Hope you enjoy the conversation!

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Dennis Stauffer (Sheldon's brother) joins the guys to discuss math, COVID numbers, and covering your face in public as mandated by the state. Recorded 7/26/2020

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Kayla Ward and Jessica Stauffer are guests on TTWS's 100th episode!

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Mennonite/Catholic dialogue report: https://tinyurl.com/y8gcazr5

Old Man of the Mountain: https://tinyurl.com/grp466n

Complementarianism holds that "God has created men and women equal in their essential dignity and human personhood, but different and complementary in function with male headship in the home and in the Church." https://tinyurl.com/p44s9le

Eph 5:25 https://tinyurl.com/y9vj36ry

The One Life Dream that Makes a Girl Blush https://tinyurl.com/yd396p8w

50 Crucial Questions: An Overview of Central Concerns about Manhood and Womanhood (Piper, pdf) https://tinyurl.com/ybdf5gv5

1 Cor. 12:11 https://tinyurl.com/y8yoqvbr

Col 3:11 https://tinyurl.com/ybdo7jf7

Gal 3:28 https://tinyurl.com/y86q533d

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives who were in prison with me; they are prominent among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was” (Rom 16:7, NRSV) https://tinyurl.com/yct4667x

1 Tim 2:11-15 https://tinyurl.com/yceuo7gp

Song of Solomon 2:14 https://tinyurl.com/y9pkn5qk

The Child as Viper: https://tinyurl.com/y73bdohl

Quiverfull Movement: https://tinyurl.com/ceu2nj3

Dr. Carla Sunberg: Never use or abuse power given to you https://tinyurl.com/ya866s7v

Stay at Home Daughters Movement: https://tinyurl.com/yd5u2uc4

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The guys discuss licking cats, who they want to become, Nate forgets OKGO, both try their best to be real, and push back against the idea that music can be reduced to math.

Music videos that we reference:

OKGO Zero Gravity: https://youtu.be/LWGJA9i18Co

OKGO Rube Goldberg: https://youtu.be/qybUFnY7Y8w

Coldplay The Scientist: https://youtu.be/RB-RcX5DS5A

Walk Off the Earth, Red Hands:https://youtu.be/1bt-FHaFVH8

Walk Off the Earth, Red Hands Unedited: https://youtu.be/-OtOnZeQ9IM

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The guys talk about fatherhood, dad jokes, wasabi, and what it's like to grab a gun check your home in the middle of the night. Also, we would love your ideas for our 100th episode!!

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Is it wise for a verbal processor to have a podcast? Do you ever want to actually know your pastor's political views? What is the balance between over-sharing and being real? In this episode, the guys discuss where the podcast began and where it's headed. Thanks for joining us in the middle of the ride!

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Nate volunteers to go to space (but not like Mad Mike Hughes). We discover the true purpose of the moon and break down basic bodily functions in zero gravity. We also collected responses from our kids about their COVID experience. Recorded 5/10/2020. No show notes for this episode - we had better things to do. 

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The guys take a journey through 1996 highlighting news stories, CCM music of the era, and talk about hair. If you skip the first 25 minutes you'll miss the COVID-19 rant. Like we said, long intros... On to the show notes:

00:41 – Sincerely grateful to be back

01:15 – Nate hurts my feelings

01:27 – Admitting to our recent mistake

02:38 – But...

03:20 – Sheldon is a Twitter glutton

04:00 – Did You Know? - Mandatory Vaccinations – Not a Nate Ward Anecdote

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07:37 – Mask?

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10:25 – Some other things Sheldon won’t be Doing

12:30 – Sheldon yells at “Elites”

21:00 – Nate knows things about Italy

22:20 – How the guys have kept busy during quarantine

IF YOU DON’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT CORONAVIRUS, START HERE

25:00 – The guys think back to their own lives in ‘96

26:07 – Music of the time

30:00 – Nazarene Talent Shows

31:58 – Sheldon has a “Fun Little Game” Part 1

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35:10 – News Break #1 – Israel Elects Netanyahu

  • https://tinyurl.com/y75m5u8g
  • https://tinyurl.com/ybhv2m9y

35:32 – Sheldon has a “Fun Little Game” Part 2

38:02 – News Break #2 – Crash of TWA Flight 800

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  • https://tinyurl.com/lrox29t

39:00 – Sheldon has a “Fun Little Game” Part 3

41:16 – News Break #3 – Dolly the Sheep was Cloned

  • https://tinyurl.com/hf6xuf2

41:53 – Back to the “Fun Little Game” Part 4

44:50 – News Break #4 – DVDs Released for the First Time in Japan

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46:05 – News Break #5 – 10 Million People Online

  • https://tinyurl.com/ycj4qaaz

46:24 – Return of the “Fun Little Game” Part 5

46:54 – Sheldon v Instagram

47:53 – News Break #6 – Prince Charles and Princess Diana get Divorced

  • https://tinyurl.com/ksee52s

49:12 – “Fun Little Game” Part 6

54:18 – News Break #7 – Mad Cow Disease in UK

  • https://tinyurl.com/ybh4k522

54:37 – News Break #8 – The DOW ends the year at 6,448

  • https://tinyurl.com/y9rhc6sq

55:26- CNN 1996 in Review

  • https://tinyurl.com/ybnlbqfz

57:41 – “Fun Little Game” Here we go again Part 7

58:30 – News Break #9 – Average Income

  • https://tinyurl.com/ybdb6sl3

59:06 – News Break #10 – Taliban Capture of Kabul

  • https://tinyurl.com/y8j9e2ds

59:11 – Obligatory Clinton Conspiracy Corner

  • https://tinyurl.com/y9338cec

61:02 – Sound Byte President

63:28 – News Break #11 – Major League Soccer

  • https://tinyurl.com/lyttmwa

65:26 – Sheldon has a “Fun Little Game” Part 8

65:45 – News Break #12 – Hutu and Tutsi Conflict

  • https://tinyurl.com/jux3w9m

66:46 – Elections and Voting

68:30 – “Fun Little Game” We're not Giving Up - Part 9

70:28 – News Break #13 – Peace and Elections in Bosnia

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70:35 – News Break #14 - ‘96 Olympic Games in Atlanta

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  • https://tinyurl.com/msypn25

71:02 – News Break #15 – US Base Bombed in Saudi Arabia

  • https://tinyurl.com/c6emah9

71:09 – News Break #16 – Unibomber Arrested

  • https://tinyurl.com/kq775uf

71:27 – “Fun Little Game” This Might Never End - Part 10

73:19 – News Break #17 – Nintendo 64 Released in Japan

  • https://tinyurl.com/bsasg7c
  • https://tinyurl.com/ycpjyzlt

74:02 – The Moral of The Podcast

76:01 – The Guys Talk Hair

78:32 – Wrapping Up

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Nelson rejoins us to record an episode about anything except coronavirus. We tried to be funny. We tried to admit where we've been wrong. We probably struck out on three pitches - but we went down swinging! Instead, we just talked about Anecdotes and Music and Memory and Market Forces and Toilet Papers and Presidents and Socialism and Sex and Feminism. On to the show notes:

00:41 – Intro

00:55 – “Quiet on the set... Sheldon”

02:34 – Nate explains the show

03:13 – Nelson does not endorse the show

04:13 – Did you know – 13 13:13 13th

  • https://tinyurl.com/tgjumes
  • http://aaronmahnke.com/

06:09 – Nelson’s “Good Friend”

06:47 – Did you know – Pennsylvania Dutch

07:04 – Why we’re here

07:44 – Nelson's second “My Buddy” story

08:29 – Anecdotes

10:28 – Dating advice

12:18 – Wrong about Christmas

12:51 – Old Young Man vs Werewolves and Vampires

14:09 – Pod Dating

15:00 – What we’ve been told our whole lives

15:23 – Music Marks a Moment – Sheldon

16:28 – Music Marks a Moment – Nate

18:32 – Music Marks a Moment – Nelson

21:14 – “How did you end up like that?”

22:07 – Music defines chapters of Nate’s life

23:06 – Music transports Sheldon

26:40 – How we understand music

27:50 – How Nate and Kayla remember

28:49 – Memory is imperfect

30:55 – I don’t even know if I’m lying

31:30 – Impeachment

32:55 – Price Gouging vs Supply and Demand

37:53 – Drilling a hole through a cylinder

  • https://tinyurl.com/ttgc3mf

39:56 – Back to Price Gouging

43:36 – Sheldon Heel-Turns

44:50 – Sheldon disagrees with himself

46:37 – Why toilet paper?!

47:19 – A Mark of Character

47:54 – On Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro

  • https://tinyurl.com/vx9twaf

49:49 – Joe Rogan: Presidential Debate Moderator

50:57 – Sheldon’s State of the Union

52:09 – Soundbite Politicians

  • https://tinyurl.com/tgkuyl9
  • https://tinyurl.com/ravnee7
  • https://tinyurl.com/quz5p4z

53:18 – West vs James 2024

53:47 – Celebrity Politicians

54:59 – The Apprentice

56:57 – Richie Rich and Socialism

58:37 – Buying Elections

60:21 – Hollyweird

61:41 – Harvey Weinstein

64:51 – Feminism

66:33 – Male Sexuality

73:33 – #MeToo

77:40 – Addiction

79:22 – Nelson makes a request

83:23 – Wrapping up

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In this episode we survive the coronavirus pandemic, give you a reason to wear your socks with sandals, explore the Christian response to plagues, and discuss the merits of bidets. We'll be your island of rationality in a sea of diarrhea. On to the show notes!! --->

00:41 – Fresh as daisies and pre-game stretched

01:28 – Pause and think

02:32 – Did You Know #1 – Restaurants with Children

06:07 – Did You Know #2 – Socks and Sandals

07:16 – 90's Fashion

10:00 – Bieber Fever

  • https://tinyurl.com/vrcbhws

11:44 – What we’re here for!

  • https://tinyurl.com/wuafnrl

12:28 – SARS–CoV–19

  • https://tinyurl.com/u4qccax

14:00 – Al-Quaeda

15:40 – Bushisms

16:40 – Cheney

18:07 – Clinton Body Count

  • https://tinyurl.com/s4vjff6

19:22 – COVID-19 in the US

20:20 – China is a third world country

22:19 – Nate is bored of the Coronavirus

22:49 – Take reasonable and rational precautions

23:24 – South Korea

25:15 – Nate gets conspiratorial

25:54 – Asian Flu

  • https://tinyurl.com/uo76exd
  • https://tinyurl.com/y3vsagcd
  • https://tinyurl.com/rhyju5r

27:44 – Germ Theory

  • https://tinyurl.com/zh7q6qh

28:32 – Transmission Rates vs Fatality Rates

30:00 – Over-reporting leads to fear and panic

31:18 – You aren’t Atlas

33:04 – Over-reporting “pandemics” during election cycles

33:42 – You weren’t built to handle this weight

34:50 – Go when called

37:06 – Sheldon loves plastic

37:57 – What should the Christian response be?

  • https://tinyurl.com/ukhgpms
  • https://tinyurl.com/zxkygdy

50:45 – Bidets

54:52 – American Resilience to Authoritarianism

56:44 – Nate attempts to land the plane

59:48 – Action Steps

60:20 – I finally get the recognition that I deserve!

Track COVID-19 here!

  • https://ncov2019.live/data

Interactive way to learn more about controlling disease outbreak here!

  • https://tinyurl.com/rwgxl3j

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Where do you think you have the most impact? Where is your life best invested? Who looks up to you? These are all questions of influence. This episode touches on the challenges of correctly estimating our influence in 2020's social media culture. Let's get to those show notes:

00:42 – Our Titles are Wrong

03:33 – Dingy Dungeony Basement

04:38 – Legal ≠ Moral

05:48 – Did You Know? Unextraordinary Dutch Chops

08:11 – Desk Calendars

09:38 – More than you ever cared to know

10:14 – Straight to Nazi Germany

10:49 – It's a slippery slope...

12:00 – Help, I’m being oppressed!

13:24 – Cost/Benefit analysis of Social Media

17:55 – Wrong Numbers

21:10 – Why we’re here

21:45 – What is “Influence”

23:27 – Spheres of Influence

25:08 – Overestimating Influence

27:38 – Accountability in Influence

28:29 – Holding feet to the fire

28:54 – Saving the planet

30:19 – Hubris and Desperation

30:52 – Influence with our Sons

33:27 – Dads, Shotguns, and Daughters

35:06 – Influence with our Daughters

35:25 – Being a Father and remembering being a Son

39:12 – Leveraging Influence

42:41 – Experiences with MLMs

49:51 – Disingenuous “Authenticity”

51:10 – Actual Sales

55:35 – Sheldon Lands the Plane

  • The Tale of Three Kings - https://tinyurl.com/sxj5cpl

63:49 – Actually Wrapping Up

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Sheldon's son Rylan joins the show to wrap up our dive into Star Wars lore. His encyclopedic knowledge and boundless enthusiasm for Lucas' space mythology is contagious! Show notes and time stamps below:

00:51 – Did You Know: All-Star Games

Hot as Curry - https://tinyurl.com/smqtoa3

04:40 – Nate's Hot Take on the NBA

06:09 – Longevity of Pro-Level Football

A few screws loose https://tinyurl.com/u2udtoe

07:32 – Rylan's Dating Profile

08:53 – Star Wars Episode IX: The Last Star Wars Thing

09:08 – The guys review The Mandalorian

10:36 – Sheldon walks through a room while a Star War plays

11:23 – Rylan loved Stars Wars before he ever saw one

14:00 – Rylan’s Favorite

14:58 – Nate Loves the Classics

15:50 – Nate and Rylan’s Favorite Characters

17:31 – Why Do Laser Swords collide, and other inconsistencies https://tinyurl.com/voquxr4

https://tinyurl.com/ub2en5p

19:48 – Sheldon's Favorite Characters

20:36 – C3-PO and R2D2

21:41 – Speaking Binary https://tinyurl.com/ubmzgmn

22:02 – The guys hate on Ray

22:35 – Mace Windoo’s Laser Sword https://tinyurl.com/vn6lyaz

https://tinyurl.com/tq8492w

24:33 – Black Laser Sword https://tinyurl.com/y3xypv8l

25:00 – Lookin’ at Laser Swords

25:35 – Ki-Adi-Mundo https://tinyurl.com/tyyz6nw

26:11 – Space Ghosts https://tinyurl.com/wkenmyu

26:27 – The problem with the most recent movies

29:00 – Starz Warz: The Rise of Skywalker – A review

33:50 – How Nate would fix the Sequel Trilogy

38:18 – Team Porg https://tinyurl.com/sxlv9nu

40:20 – Clone Wars https://tinyurl.com/uvss2nw

42:04 – Bubba Fett https://tinyurl.com/wezdr5y

44:18 – Stair Wars’ appeal to younger audiences

45:03 – Stare Wars’ Romance Stories

45:53 – How It Should Have Ended https://tinyurl.com/v958s5o

46:28 – George Lukas is brilliant

48:14 – Rylan Knows Stuff

50:07 – LEGO Star Wars Games

52:15 – Hyperspace https://tinyurl.com/wd4sdh3

54:33 – Science Fantasy https://tinyurl.com/m2lomqa

56:53 – Bad Bad Guys

61:08 – Wrapping up

62:16 – Star Wards Legends https://tinyurl.com/sp8gs32

63:20 – Back Where We Started

64:26 – Rylan’s Last Thoughts https://tinyurl.com/uz9cc2r

67:55 – Super Soaker https://tinyurl.com/z9odop6

https://tinyurl.com/udufkdl

68:44 – Actually Wrapping Up

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This episode covers everything from unrealistic body types, to being a tiny bit famous, to thumb rings, to what it's like when people call you "pastor." Also, Sheldon gives his completely rational reaction to a sportsball game. Enjoy our Amazing Salad of Nothing... show notes below:

00:41 – Intro

01:35 – Good to be back (again)

01:55 – Did you know? 15th Century Wedding Rings

03:00 – Nate and guitars

05:24 – Sheldon in Miami

08:55 – Epstein

09:56 – Shootin' from the hip

10:37 – Superb Owl Half-time Shows

13:03 – 40 yr old women, and how good they look https://tinyurl.com/wkbunh9

16:00 – Nate’s hot take on actors

16:15 – Sheldon reviews “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood”

17:32 – Nate and Sheldon discuss “The Morning Show”

18:29 – The Jennifer Aniston thing

19:00 – How did we get here?

19:15 – A kid’s backpack is basically a billboard

21:31 – Amped up and stressed out

22:40 – Sheldon is totally reasonable

28:30 – When will we be old?

33:10 – More than sweaters

37:25 – Mennonites

38:15 – Detroit Contingent

39:20 – Enough to carry a podcast

40:58 – Introduce me

41:40 – The social shift that comes with becoming a pastor

54:19 – Sheldon & Nate have a problem with authority

56:36 – A heavy handed message from a Cruise employee

62:40 – Woo-ing

64:01 – Embarrassing breakfast for two

66:04 – A Cruise is a wonderful thing

67:12 – An amazing salad of nothing

67:31 – Wrapping Up

68:20 – Actually Wrapping Up

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People and opinions can change. It's one of the reasons we talk things out. This episode, we discuss new perspectives and the power of learning from each other. Well, after we get side-tracked by ice, flat earth, a Kobe tribute, and some Superbowl LIV fandom. 

Show notes below contain spoilers:

00:41 – Intro

01:10 – Did you know #1 – Earth's Ice - https://tinyurl.com/vvb2jgw

03:40 – Flat Earth - https://tinyurl.com/w6btewz

04:00 – Where we’ve been

05:22 – Superbowl LIV

09:20 – Kobe Bryant

13:13 – Grieving

18:24 – What We’re Here For

18:41 – Opinions Change

20:45 – Complementarianism - https://tinyurl.com/ookv2r9

22:50 – Sheldon and Jess’ Opinions Evolve

27:52 – Scriptural References

1 Timothy 2:11-15 - https://tinyurl.com/r7wkd38 

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - https://tinyurl.com/rvytqhb

31:12 – Context is Everything

32:47 – What, if anything, is “off-limits” for women?

35:05 – The potential cost of silence

36:34 – Nazarene history of women in leadership

40:14 – How the Nazarene view has changed Sheldon

41:58 – “Afraid of ‘Strong’ Women”

43:26 – The Icing on the Proverbial Cake

Galatians 3 - https://tinyurl.com/sqvpj67

45:00 – Jesus was radically progressive for his time

46:18 – Paul's writing about Onesimus

Philemon 10-11 https://tinyurl.com/vteku2g

47:39 – Legislate Morality

48:17 – The Idea of “The Call”

53:10 – “Called to be a Pastor’s wife”

55:57 – Responsibility to Affirm

59:44 – Nate and Sheldon reflect on transition and progress

65:05 – Submission

67:13 – Continued Reflection

68:15 – Wrapping Up

70:29 – Actually Wrapping Up

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It's a New Year and a new season for The Things We Say! Can you believe it's season 3 already?! This time we're discussing Christian Fasting or giving up random things to focus on God. Show notes below:

00:41 – Intro

02:05 – Nate’s Week of Hell

03:52 – Did You Know - Francis Bellamy - https://tinyurl.com/q4v3ndl

05:39 – Saluting the Flag - https://tinyurl.com/apnqjaz

08:41 – Good to be back

09:56 – 21 Days of Prayer and Fasting

10:58 – Nate’s Relationship with Twitter

11:45 – Attention, Appetite, Attitude

12:30 – Sheldon’s Relationship with Twitter

13:20 – Nate's Relationship with Social Media

14:08 – 30/40 Hr Famine

17:50 – How People View Fasting

23:20 – Fasting Needs

23:58 – Corporate Fast

25:11 – What it means to us now

26:20 – Sabbath

27:42 – Tithe

28:04 – Negative Experiences with Fasting

29:30 – Daniel Fast

32:26 – Christian Culture Fads

34:42 – Fasting not strictly Christian

35:12 – “If it feels good do it”

36:39 – Intermittent Fasting

38:00 – Technical Malfunction

38:46 – Matthew 6:16-18 - https://tinyurl.com/nabf5sd

42:00 – Consequences of Breaking a Fast

45:12 – Accidental Legalism

46:30 – Reading the Bible

49:25 – Feasting

50:10 – Over-Spiritualized

52:25 – Coming in for a landing

57:36 – Next Episode Teaser

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00:41 – Intro

01:50 – Kayla Sets the Record Straight Pt 1 – The Trash Can Thing

04:52 – Did You Know? Prince

06:25 – Kayla Sets the Record Straight Pt 2 – Our Social Media Could Be Better

07:50 – On Podcast Intros

10:13 – Kayla Ward: Social Media Expert

11:25 – Did You Know? Amazon Affiliate Links

13:30 – Kayla’s First Impression of Sheldon

14:55 – How Sheldon Gets in an Argument

17:13 – As Told by Kayla

19:42 – Kayla and Sheldon are Loud

20:20 – Kayla's First Impression of Nate

23:39 – Kayla’s Bathroom Stories

25:17 – Kayla's Schooling

29:18 – Kayla Ward: Force of Nature

30:54 – Kayla's Leadership Chops

32:00 – What is a Young Adult?

33:40 – Millennials

37:04 – Dating in ‘The Shire’

41:06 – The Phone Call

44:20 – “DTR”

49:23 – Nate Talks to Kayla’s Parents

51:25 – Vines

51:54 – Back to ‘The Shire’

53:10 – Is IHOP a Cult?

63:25 – Heart for Worship

65:22 – Behavior During Service

68:27 – Stuff Out Your Nose / What Is A Relish Tray?

69:53 – On Always Being Right

73:46 – Apology Economy

76:09 – How (Not) To Apologize

80:00 – Final Thoughts

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00:41 – Intro

01:12 – Sports Rant #1: Sheldon is a Lifelong Niners Fan and the “Browns” are not “The Browns”

03:00 – Christmas Music and Nate’s beef with Pentatonix

06:00 – Sheldon's evolving feelings on the Christmas season

07:05 – Sheldon is a contrarian

07:30 – Sports Rant #2: Myles Garett

09:49 – Sheldon’s Volume

11:45 – You don’t have to struggle with sin

12:49 – Did you know? “Chip on your shoulder”

15:42 – Sheldon and Nate’s Thanksgiving 2019

19:25 – Family Traditions

21:37 – Sheldon’s Special Thanksgiving Experience... wait no... Sports Rant #3: Colin Kaepernick

28:22 – Sports Rant #4: Cheering for Laundry

30:05 – Sports Rant #5: Sportsmanship

32:58 – Sheldon’s Special Thanksgiving Experience... for real this time

35:25 – Puritan Communalism and Personal Responsibility

37:55 – Fasting and Thanksgiving

43:00 – Harvest Festival

43:35 – Samoset, Squanto, and Sacagawea

47:42 – Oblivious Puritans

49:09 – Treatment of Indigenous Populations

50:38 – George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Sarah Josepha Hale, and FDR

54:10 – Uniquely North American

59:25 – Thanksgiving Travel

60:20 – Home Alone

62:49 – Sharing things that no one likes

64:17 – The Mandalorian

65:36 – Final Thoughts

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After a week overseas, Sheldon recounts his first trip to Japan! Show notes below: 00:40–Shouting in Sunday School 02:11–Weekly Reflection 03:59–Did You Know? George Harrison attacked in his home. 05:27–Kaepernick –Kaepernick 90 Second Interview- shorturl.at/gST26 –Kaepernick Superbowl Interview- shorturl.at/afkH3 14:00–Did You Know? Christmas in Japan 17:43–Sheldon in Japan 18:25–Sheldon doesn’t understand Japanese 20:35–Cultural differences Sheldon was warned about 20:43–The Business Card Thing- shorturl.at/vxKV0 22:27–Do not shake hands 23:14–Beautiful things about Japan 23:28–Signage in Japan 23:56–Grass and weed management 24:46–14hr Flight 28:13–First Impressions 30:05–Train Station 31:27–Sheldon's thoughts on rules, orderliness, and obedience 32:08–Eating Noodles in Japan 34:35–The best thing Sheldon ate 35:08–Japanese Portion Sizes 36:52–The weirdest thing Sheldon ate 39:40–Presentations with a translator 42:08–Rural vs Urban Japan 43:28–Japanese Construction 45:00–Japanese Crime 45:38–Japanese Gun Culture 46:44–Japan’s Warrior Culture Past 47:57–Current Japanese Honor Culture 50:30–Japanese and American Immigration Policies 52:14–Biggest Takeaways 54:09–Pocket Doors 54:40–Toilets 55:35–Raised Floors 56:37–Japanese Hospitality 57:10–Being the “Other” 57:30–Small Cars 58:40–Sumo Wrestling 60:18–On Being Alien 61:30–Nate Attempts to Wrap Up Again 61:50–Time Travel 63:04–Television 63:25–Fireworks 63:55–Nate Makes Another Attempt to Wrap Up 64:00–Car Industry 64:25–Honda 64:57–Nate Gets Nostalgic About his Car 64:40–Nate Succeeds in Wrapping Up

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Our audience takes control of the programming in this fast-paced, random episode. The live-stream is available in two parts on our Facebook page. See timestamps and show notes below:

00:42 – Intro 01:27 – Nate on multi-track recording 01:52 – Did you know? #1 “There will be no impeachment” theory, and explanation 04:35 – Did you know? #2 “No one was called ‘Guy’ before November 5th, 1605” - Verified 07:06 – Facebook Live ‘Rules’ and Sheldon’s ‘Running Question’ 08:14 – Sheldon: Life without Twitter 09:30 – Kanye West: Jesus Is King, Sunday Service, and Being Born Again 16:58 – On Show Notes (sorry Kayla) 17:22 – Wardrobe Choices 17:58 – Speeding Tickets 19:10 – Live Video stops and Nate and Sheldon struggle to resolve minor tech issues 21:00 – Uncle Karl’s Foot Ointment 21:45 – Being pulled over by Police 24:25 – Beards 24:54 – Counterfeit foods 27:07 – Binge-worthy television 27:50 – “Are the Cleveland Cavaliers still trash?” 30:56 – Lisa Madigan wants to talk about Christmas 32:34 – Nate has strong opinions about whip cream 32:50 – Nate is wrong about how to eat a slice of pie 33:40 – Sheldon is right about how to eat a burger 34:30 – Best parenting moments of the week 37:08 – Christians with tattoos and piercings? 39:26 – Hot Button topics for the upcoming election 39:52 – Pie 2: Electric Boogaloo 40:28 – Skipping Breakfast 42:34 – Return of the Pumpkin Pie 43:39 – Eating in Japan 45:09 – “We're back to politics” 48:14 – Beating bad habits 49:22 – Politics Redux 52:04 – BethAnne has a potty mouth and Matt paints his nails 54:25 – Sheldon talks about his bad habit 55:30 – Substitute Swearing 60:38 – No Troll November 61:41 – Ethics Standards at Seminary 62:20 – “What are we reading?” -Discipleship by AW Tozer -Victoriocity -We’re Alive -Unobscured 65:40 – Enneagram, DiSC and Spiritual Gifts tests 71:15 – Government Intervention in Social Media 75:55 – Is Disney Dying? 77:47 – Worst-ship Song Tournament 78:18 – Protecting our Youth 81:15 – Worst-ship Song Tournament 2: Back in the Habit 82:38 – Anti-Vax 86:35 – Wrapping Up

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We take a look at what it's like to start something new. Seasons change all the time. Starting well is important, but do we pursue something new just because it's new. Is there more value in stability or possibility?

NOTE: We will be recording LIVE on Facebook at 8:30PM Eastern, October 27th! To join, go to facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast Sunday evening. We have released a lot of content this year and would love to hear your questions, comments, or even field topics you haven't heard us discuss.

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A "name that tune" head-to-head battle that goes back 20 years! While we test our memories, we also tell some stories and recount the role these niche Christian bands played in our journey to adulthood.

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We say we believe in a second chance for everyone. What happens when celebrities turn their life around? Is the church ready for revival to start outside the walls of an established denomination? This conversation centers on the good things going on in celebrity culture.

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Nelson rejoins the show to talk about becoming a U.S. citizen. He also helps us put the wraps on the Fear Tournament, which was started and continued on several back episodes. A good place to start the Fear Tournament is here: https://soundcloud.com/user-782248540/fear-tournament-lightning-round

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What some of you do in church is downright hilarious! What we have done or said (sometimes by accident), might top that! It's time to recount some of the awkward and funny things we have seen happen in a church service. Enjoy!

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Jessica (Sheldon's better half) joins us to talk about her journey through some painful circumstances, her emotional & inner healing, and what it means to follow the call of God on her life.

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Mike Myers joins the show to talk about growing up in church culture and our different paths to making faith our own. How do you know what you've always been taught and what is really true? How far would you go to find out? In this episode we cover some controversial topics. The important thing to do is to continue to talk openly and honestly about these things in the church, not take offense and shut down dialogue. If you disagree with us, here's a couple ways to reach us for further comment before you draw your own conclusions about who we are, what we really believe, or where we fall on any given issue... Email: thethingswesay@mail.com FB: facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast Insta and Twitter: @ttwspodcast

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We continue with part 2 of our discussion on objections to the Christian faith. We talk through 5. The offensive claim that Jesus is the only way to God, 6. A loving God would never torture people in Hell, 7. Church history is littered with oppression and violence, and 8. I still have doubts, I can't be a Christian. Opening YouTube clip: https://youtu.be/1BB6wj6RyKo Email: thethingswesay@mail.com Twitter and Insta: @TTWSpodcast Facebook: facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast

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We take on the tough questions that Christians face. If we have faith, it will be challenged. This episode tackles four of the top emotional reasons people cite when they challenge belief in God or walk away from the Christian faith. This is intended to start discussion, not give pat answers. We're just saying what we think - or how we might naturally respond. These are some things we say...

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Your favorite high schoolers are back! Buddy and Jacob follow up on their last episode by taking a citizenship test, discussing their favorite pastimes, and talking about how male friendships are formed. We also give some of the TTWS origin story! Link to Indescribable: The Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/indescribable-the-podcast/id1237474618?mt=2 Show email: thethingswesay@mail.com Facebook: facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast Twitter and Insta: @TTWSpodcast

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Part 2 of our "12 Rules" episodes, where Nate shares his rules for life. Once again, these are just random things we have found to be true. Use them to make your own list! It's a fun exercise. If you want to continue the conversation, or tell us we're wrong... Facebook: facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast Email: thethingswesay@mail.com Twitter and Insta: @TTWSpodcast

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We continue with our tournament that puts society's biggest fears head to head, March Madness style. It's just for fun, and serves as an opportunity to show that most of these are greatly exaggerated. Enjoy listening along, unless you take it seriously, then you'll probably be offended and grumpy. Enjoy! Instagram shows the updated bracket: @TTWSpodcast Will post it to Twitter as well: @TTWSpodcast Facebook will have it too: facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast Email the show: thethingswesay@mail.com

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If you had to come up with 12 rules for life, what would they be? Sheldon takes the first swing, offering his 12 axioms. These are just the things we have found to be true in our 35 years of life. Nate's will be submitted on a later episode.

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This episode begins with quite a few tangents and random entertainment. Some things will be profound (maybe), some things will be stupid. This is the follow-up to the earlier podcast where Jared joined us. Listen to that episode here: https://soundcloud.com/user-782248540/49-jared-flack Or just scroll back to sometime in January. Show email: thethingswesay@mail.com Facebook: facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast Insta and Twitter: @TTWSpodcast Instagram has the men vs women rating chart we reference in passing, here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BzX216oArUz/

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This is not an easy thing to talk about. We have always tried to be as real as possible with our listeners and this episode is no exception. We talk about the issues in life for which, sometimes, there are no words. What happens when you lose someone you love unexpectedly. Show email: thethingswesay@mail.com Facebook: facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast Twitter and Insta: TTWSpodcast

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Ross Norris from Singularity Saints podcast joins the show to talk about how to get into podcasting, some thoughts on what happens when we die, and where medical advancement may be taking us. Check out his show here: https://singularitysaints.podbean.com/ Tell us what you think by email: thethingswesay@mail.com Comment on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast/ Follow us on Twitter or Insta: ttwspodcast You can find us on iTunes, Soundcloud, Stitcher, and Google Podcasts

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Church of the Nazarene. What makes it different from evangelicals? Are they fundamentalist, charismatic, multicultural, or regional? What makes them unique? Since one of us was born and raised in this denomination and the other found it as an adult, we do our best to share what this gathering means to us.

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Recounting some of our history with homeschool, private school, and public school (K-12). The benefits and challenges of each institution and some funny anecdotes are also included. Facebook: @thethingswesaypodcast Insta: @ttwspodcast Twitter: @ttwspodcast Email: thethingswesay@mail.com

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Nelson Hicks returns as a guest to discuss an issue that becomes a hot-button every election cycle: Immigration. His experience as a Canadian, married to a Guatemalan, trying to get American citizenship, helps us get a more nuanced perspective. Bunny trails include: a statute of limitations for social media posts, camping, and pooping - so something for everyone!

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The continuation of our Fear Tournament where we list all the things people fear and put them head to head, March Madness style. Listen as we unceremoniously eliminate half of them in this fast-paced episode. Article referenced in opening segment: https://www.wmur.com/article/missing-children-found-in-michigan/23679022 Species extinction article: https://humanprogress.org/article.php?p=1920

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This episode is a fast-paced attempt to get through the first round of the Fear Tournament. This has been our opening segment for the last couple episodes, but it's taken on a life of its own. If you want to see what we're talking about, check out facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast or Instagram: @ ttwspodcast Here's the bee article: https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/04/17/bee-apocalypse-was-never-real-heres-why-12851

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Opening segment continues the Fear Tournament, pitting National Debt against Serial Killers. Then we discuss tragedies and how they are reported, the Democratic primary, the elections of Senators, and... few other rants.

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This Easter you may be headed to church. Whether it's for the first time, you're returning after a long time away, or you have been going there your entire life - it may be difficult to know what to expect. Church can be weird. Church people can be odd. The traditions sometimes need translation. That's what this episode is about. Consider this a beginners guide to first time attenders. Also, since it's based mostly on our own experience be prepared for some sweeping generalizations.

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It's time to talk about guns. You've certainly heard loud voices on both sides but is there a way to resolve this? Is compromise possible? Are there solutions that will work for rural America as well as urban population centers? But before we get there, let's kick off our new opening segment with something less controversial... vaccines.

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Two teens (Buddy & Jacob) join us to talk about growing up in the world of social media, how they view their culture, how their peers connect, and some of the challenges they face.

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The discussion begins with "Hells Bells" and Christian opposition to rock and roll. Somehow we end up discussing church movements and Christians opposing one another.

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The continuation of our conversation with Nelson Hicks where he shines light on Dungeons and Dragons. We begin with some history of role playing games and discover how D&D players, the game, and it's culture were impacted by the Satanic Panic of the 80s and 90s.

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While not explicit, some subject matter is intended for mature audiences. Listener and parental discretion advised. Friend of the show Nelson Hicks joins TTWS as we try to unpack the Satanic panic of the 80s and 90s. We do our best to uncover the history, personalities, and circumstances surrounding this event while also telling how it impacted each of us personally. The following episode will focus on Dungeons & Dragons specifically. PART 1 OF 2.

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Wherein we display our ignorance, blind spots, and confront the things that have mystified us. It's not that we haven't tried to understand... we just don't.

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A lot of grand-standing politicians and media personalities like to chastise their listeners by saying "We're better than this." Well, often times, we are! What is your reaction when you find out that someone you dislike really isn't that bad after all? Do you keep believing the worst or are you relieved that they are better than their reputation?

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In this episode we explore what it means to become a man in America. Is there a line, that when crossed, a boy becomes a man? Or, is it something we are all left to figure out on our own? We're going to be real about our doubts, struggles, and defining moments. If you want to continue the conversation from this episode go to: facebook.com/thethingswesaypodcast or @TTWSpodcast on Twitter and Instagram.

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Do you dread your birthday or look forward to it? Your answer says a lot about what you value or what you fear.

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What is cursing? Is there a definitive list of bad words? Does free speech protect everything we say? Do Christians really lose their religion when they swear? Well, let's go there...

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Our friend Jared Flack shares his story! Listen as he gives an honest and open look at a life of addiction that was transformed by the power of God. This is not just about recovering but living as an overcomer!

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"Peace on earth, goodwill to men" These words of the angel have echoed across the years, found their way into songs, prayers, and writings of every kind. What does it mean? This is NOT just another Christmas podcast!

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You might only know him for his role in "It's a Wonderful Life" but there's a lot more to the story, career, and life of Jimmy Stewart. Tune in as we kick off our series, telling the stories of historical figures.

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This episode we have a special guest on the show! Sheldon's dad sat down for an interview while Nate was out. It's time someone sets these boys straight!

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We share our favorite holiday traditions and tell some stories about our own family gatherings. Everyone can relate to the challenges of merging family traditions through marriage, moves, location changes, and the age transitions of our elders. It can get messy!

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We landed on the moon! Or did we? Was it all a hoax, a clever trick by our government and Hollywood level production? We explore the most common arguments against the moon landing to see how they hold up.

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What are some conspiracy theories that you hate? We start our list by lumping a bunch of them together. Get ready 9/11 truthers, we're coming for ya!

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We take questions from our audience and they control the show! "Did you know" segment goes back to the Titanic conspiracy. Video version available on Facebook @thethingswesaypodcast

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Sometimes it becomes frustrating when trying to communicate across the political divide. There's a difference in terms, perspectives, and 'solutions' but the anger and defensiveness seems universal. Is there a way out?

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The steady drumbeat everywhere is that things keep getting worse. Civility is at an all time low. Protests on the sports field and in the streets. Trump said this, now he said that. The hurricane is coming! What if not all the news was bad? What if we were living in the best of times and didn't know it?

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When discussing right and wrong, what measure are we to use? What is the standard? One thing that's sure: when Christians discuss these issues, someone always brings up the speed limit.

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We take a look back to share and celebrate our successes, great or small. Some steps were easy, others were extremely difficult. All of these we would repeat if we could do it over again.

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We share our most embarrassing moments so you can be entertained at our expense. But hey, it's good to know that even when it all goes wrong - life isn't over. It can only get better from here!

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Kaepernick... what do you think of when you hear his name? Hero or villain? Uniting us or dividing us? Ruining a sport or redeeming a platform? What's the real story?

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In this episode we discuss voting and elections. Sheldon fixes the primary system. Nate reveals how he votes on taxes. And, we introduce a new segment. Contact: thethingswesay@mail.com, @TTWSpodcast on Twitter and Insta, @thethingswesaypodcast on Facebook.

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Nate is back this week to offer his rebuttal to the previous episode which was done without him. We discuss football, our fandom, our teams and we go off on a few tangents. Enjoy! Facebook: @thethingswesaypodcast Twitter: @TTWSpodcast Email: thethingswesay@mail.com

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It's an awkward episode. Nate is out, so Sheldon takes the opportunity to talk behind his back. We're praying the team is back together soon! Tune in for a shorter podcast that's completely rant-based

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What is social media really selling? Are they all private companies, a public forum, or telecoms? Who makes the rules? Should there be any rules at all?

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Boys of all ages play stupid games. These games do not have a winner or a point and they usually end with someone bleeding. We try to chronicle as many of them as we can remember. Mothers, cover your ears! We have never laughed so hard recording anything else. Enjoy!

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When 9/11 happened both of us were 17 years old. In this episode we recall where we were that day, what our world was like at the time, and what has changed since then.

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Is there universal or absolute truth? Why is any standard of truth under attack? If something is true, does it need to be defended? We tackle some of our deeper questions in this episode. But first, it's obvious that we don't understand... a few things.

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When is violence justifiable? What is the difference between hunting culture and gun culture? Do we need to support every war to be patriotic? What's the dumbest thing you've done with a gun? All part of our discussion this week.

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Tune in this week to hear our thoughts on Space Force, Aliens, and to hear Nate share his experience with UFO's! Fair warning, we discuss these things from a Christian perspective and Christians rarely discuss aliens... publicly.

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Why would anyone identify as a capitalist when they're know for greed, monopolies, selfishness, and exploiting the poor working class? Wouldn't it be nice if we could all be socialist and let the government care for us, lifting everyone out of poverty?

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What are your go-to stories? We tell some of our favorites on this episode. We saved the best for last :)

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We continue to air some of our political opinions that are not the most popular among American evangelicals. Hopefully hearing our different ideas helps you feel free to express your own! Head over to @thethingswesaypodcast on Facebook to continue the conversation.

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We finally air some of our political opinions that are not popular... or maybe just don't fit in the box of mainstream American evangelical politics. Either way, feel free to listen along, disagree, think, come up with counter arguments, and express your weird opinion too! It's a 2-part podcast, so more to follow next week.

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We talk about the books that formed us. What we read as children, what impacted us as teens, and what we are still reading today. Stick around to the end to hear our "Must Read" lists! Warning: there's a couple tangents along the way.