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Are your facilities a tool for the Gospel or a burden on your budget? In this episode, Renée and Anthony sit down with Matt Messier, head of the Mission Property Group at Foundry Commercial. With experience assisting over 3,000 churches, Matt shares how ministry leaders can stop playing defense against maintenance costs and start playing offense for the Kingdom.
The Reality Check: Buildings as Tools vs. Burdens Many ministry leaders are currently facing a "vicious cycle" where building maintenance drains the resources needed for actual ministry.
- The Gut Punch: According to Matt, some denominations report that 80% of their churches are one major capital improvement away from closing.
- The Shift: Since 2008, and accelerated by 2020, the real estate overhead of running a church has grown significantly and left many churches in risky positions.
- The Warning: If you are barely making your budget but putting nothing away for capital improvements (like a $200,000 roof), you aren't actually making your budget.
Navigating the Emotional Weight of Property Transition Property is rarely just brick and mortar. It represents the history of those in your care—marriages, funerals, and family milestones.
- Acknowledge the Grief: Moving or selling can feel like a failure to those whose families helped build the space.
- Reframe: Remember that the churches Paul planted no longer exist in their original locations; the church is not dying, it is simply taking a different form.
- Practice Empathy: allow people to talk about their experiences and the unexpressed love they have for the space, and remember that this attachment comes not from how great the building is itself, but the community that the building has fostered.
"The kingdom is never in trouble. The guy running it knows what he's doing." — Matt Messier
The "First Button" Principle Matt shares a philosophy for any leadership team feeling stuck: "If you get the first button on your shirt right, the rest of the buttons will fall in place".
- The First Button is Mission: You cannot build a real estate strategy until you know what God is calling your ministry to do.
- The Filter: Every property decision must be looked at through the lens of mission and ministry.
- The Goal: Stewardship is about building the Kingdom by understanding how to leverage your real estate, not just selling off buildings.
Innovative Stewardship: Thinking Outside the Box Don't assume your only options are "stay and decay" or "sell and close." Consider these creative approaches discussed in the episode:
- Leasing for Revenue: One church leased its underutilized education wing to a school for $8,000 a month, which funded repairs and provided consistent income.
- Long-term Land Leases: Another church used a 40 year lease to host an assisted living facility on their land, allowing them to minister to the residents while retaining the property.
- Selling Land to Fund Vision: A church sold acreage to a special needs charter school, which allowed them to pay off debt and created a new pathway for their members to serve those families.
- The Power of Relocation: A Methodist church sold a building for $6 million and moved into a rented retail space near a university, planting two more churches within years because they prioritized mission over bricks.
The Life Cycle of a Ministry 💡 Warning: If you don't reimagine how you connect with your community, you risk moving backward through the life cycle of a church.
The foundation of a church should always be connected to God's vision for the community, while a physical place of worship can become very sentimental to its congregation, that sentimentality cannot exist without a deeper aspect of community and a strong vision for its people.
- Healthy Cycle: Vision → Relationships → Ministry/Mission → Structure.
- The Danger Zone: When vision is lost and relationships fracture, all that remains is "Structure" (the building and committees) without the life of the Gospel.
Action Steps for Ministry Leaders * ✅ Ask the Three Questions: Evaluate your property by asking: What do we have? What does it want to be? What can it be? * ✅ Address the Tyranny of the Urgent: Don't ignore the leaking roof. sometimes a problem even that small can compound into bigger problems that are far more expensive to fix, leaving a church with far fewer options that allow them to put their ministry first. * ✅ Assess Property Health: Conduct a property health assessment to look at long-term capital needs like parking lots and HVAC systems. * ✅ Revisit Your "First Button": Ensure your leadership team is aligned on your core mission before making any facility changes.
Resources Mentioned * Sailboat Church: A recommended read on church revitalization. * Property Health Assessment: A tool provided by Matt's team to help ministries evaluate their facilities. * The Life Cycle of a Church: A framework for understanding how ministries grow or stagnate.
Contacts Renée Wilson – renee.wilson@ministryarchitects.com
Anthony Rogers – anthony.rogers@ministryarchitects.com
Matt Messier - Matt.Messier@foundrycommercial.com
Ministry Architects Website
In this episode, we sit down with Chris Sasser (Sass) and Laura Kate Yarbrough to discuss a pivotal shift in the church: moving beyond traditional "drop-off" youth and children's programs toward a comprehensive parent and family ministry. We explore how to equip exhausted parents, build relational safety nets, and create sustainable systems for family discipleship that last beyond Sunday morning.
The Philosophy: Relationship Over Content A recurring theme throughout the conversation is that while teaching is important, the connection between a parent and a child should be a priority for developing faith.
- Connection Over Content: Children and teenagers are often overwhelmed with information. What they crave most is a meaningful connection with the adults in their lives.
- The Safety Net of Faith: Modeling faith is not about showing a perfect, struggle-free life. It is about showing children that when life is shaky, The Holy Spirit is a dependable source of structure and strength.
- The Goal of Presence: For any kind of mentor, simply being present and connected can be very powerful. It allows children to see a way of living that makes them want to follow Jesus.
Redefining the Model: Whole Family Ministry "Parents have subcontracted the spiritual lives of their kids to the church" — Chap Clark
Chris Sasser challenges the traditional "Next Gen" label, suggesting it can unintentionally narrow a church's focus only to young people rather than the ecosystem that supports them. Chris instead advocates that our next gen ministries should instead focus on catering to the whole family.
- Foundational (Kids): Introducing the basics of faith.
- Engaging (Teens): Helping students begin to own their faith personally.
- Practical (Parents and Grandparents): Giving parents the confidence and tools to lead spiritually at home.
Practical Tools for Parent Engagement Laura Kate Yarbrough shares some of the resources her ministry uses to meet parents where they are without overwhelming them.
- Family Pods: Monthly gatherings where mentor couples (empty nesters) sit with younger families in "living room" settings to model how to teach kids about Jesus.
- Conversation Starter Cards: Simple, monthly cards with one question per day (e.g., "Where did you see Jesus today?") to help parents spark dialogue during car rides or dinner.
- Sermon Note Sheets: Kid-friendly notes that mirror the adult sermon, designed to facilitate family discussion after the service.
- Resource Carts: Physical hubs in the church lobby featuring book recommendations, Holy Week devotionals, and topical booklets (like apologetics or managing emotions).
- Digital Accessibility: Updating the ministry website to include a dedicated parent resource page and a podcast featuring parents sharing their own mistakes and lessons.
Strategy: The Slow Build For leaders feeling overwhelmed by the idea of launching a new ministry, the guests emphasize that these systems took years to develop.
- Don't Recreate the Wheel: Partner with other leaders or churches to share curriculum and ideas.
- The "Push a Button" Mentality: You don't have to commit to a program for the rest of your life. Try something for a month or a season to see if it resonates with your community.
- Celebrate Small Wins: If a family decides to cut down on screen time or has one 5-minute conversation about Jesus at home, celebrate it like the victory that it is!
DO/DON'T Comparison for Ministry Leaders DO DON'T DO provide scripts and "plug-and-play" tools for nervous parents. DON'T assume parents feel qualified or have the energy to wing it. DO focus on being a cheerleader and a resource. DON'T use shame or heavy accountability as a motivator. DO invite more mature mentors to walk with younger families. DON'T try to be the only person providing pastoral care. Action Steps for Your Ministry Context * ✅ Audit Your Handouts: Look at your current take-home materials. Do they give parents a clear jumping-off point for a family conversation? * ✅ Identify New Opportunities: Stop viewing hallway chats as a distraction. Reframe them as intentional times for connection with parents. * ✅ Start a Resource Hub: Set up a simple cart or table in your foyer with curated resources (books or devotionals) that address common parent concerns like screen time or anxiety. * ✅ Launch a "Hopeful Parents" Group: Create a low-pressure space (even once a month) specifically for parents of adult children who may be struggling or walking away from the faith.
Key Insights & Warnings * 💡 Insight: "Any conversation outside of church about Jesus is a win." Use this as your North Star for measuring success. * ⚠️ Warning: Parent Ministry 1.0 (newsletters and camp details) is necessary but insufficient. True ministry requires going to where they are and helping them with their actual life struggles. * 💡 Insight: The "Dork for Jesus" Filter. Encourage families to view every priority (sports, theater, academics) through the lens of their faith.
Resources Book: Bags: Helping Your Kids Lighten the Load - By Chris Sasser
Connect: equipandencourage.com
Contacts Renée Wilson – renee.wilson@ministryarchitects.com
Anthony Rogers – anthony.rogers@ministryarchitects.com
Chris Sasser – chris.sasser@ministryarchitects.com
Laura Kate Yarbrough – lkyarbrough@conroechurch.org
MinistryArchitects Website
The Science of Creative Sparks Kat Bair suggests that creativity isn't a mystical gift but a "numbers game" driven by the collision of unrelated ideas.
- "The Collision Theory": Creative breakthroughs often happen when two seemingly unrelated thoughts bump into each other.
- Diversify Your Input: Sometimes in order to have creative Ideas, it can help to consume a broad array of different kinds of content. For example, reading a book of a genre you don't normally seek out, listening to podcasts about things you don't often think about, or even try out a new hobby!
- The "Dabbler" Advantage: Don't feel pressured to be an expert in one thing. Being a "dabbler" allows you to pull from a wider pool of inspiration.
"If you have two thoughts in your brain, they have a certain statistical likelihood of bumping into each other and making a spark. If you have 500 thoughts in your brain, the statistical likelihood of sparks increases exponentially." — Kat Bair
Building the Discipline of Expression One of the greatest hurdles to ministry growth is the "blank page" syndrome. Kat shares that the solution is a commitment to regular, messy production.
- The 10-Minute Rule: Commit to writing or creating for 10 minutes every single day.
- Quantity Leads to Quality: You'll often have to produce a lot of bad or average content to eventually have something you can feel truly proud of.
- Remove the Pressure of Perfection: The goal of a daily creative habit isn't a finished product; it's to build a comfortable foundation to one day build great things on top of.
Capturing Inspiration in the Mundane Creative ideas often happen in the car or during a difficult parenting moment, not while sitting at a desk.
- 💡 Keep a List: Use the Notes app on your phone to jot down brief anecdotes, weird facts, or observations that might lead to bigger ideas.
- 👉 Look for the Universal in the Specific: A toddler's tantrum at a crosswalk or a random statistic about tigers can sometimes be the perfect hook for a deep spiritual truth.
- ❌ Don't Wait to Process: Write the note now. You can figure out the "theological point" later.
The Work of Delegation * Expect a Time Investment: Coaching someone else to find their voice takes significantly longer than doing it yourself, but in the end, will often be worth much more than what you've invested! * Value Growth Over Efficiency: The goal of delegation is to help develop the gifts of those in your care, not just to save yourself time. * Look for the Spark: Don't look for people who write exactly like you. Look for people who surprise you or whose perspective makes you think differently. * Diversity of Thought: The best content teams often consist of people with different life experiences and creative perspectives
Strategies for Overcoming Creative Burnout When you feel stuck or "bored" with your own voice, the best solution is often a change in format rather than a change in topic.
- Shift the Medium: If you usually write long-form blogs, try creating a silly line graph or a simple doodle to express your point.
- Change the Parameters: If you feel weighed down by the "rules" of your current platform, take the opportunity to be weird or more informal for your next release.
- Audit Your Inputs: If your output is dry, it's likely because your intake is dry. It could be as simple as seeking out new sources of inpiration!
Action Steps for Ministry Leaders ✅ Set a Timer: Tomorrow morning, write for exactly 10 minutes about anything related to the people you serve. Do not edit as you go.
✅ Audit Your Intake: Identify one area of interest (a hobby, a science topic, a historical era) completely unrelated to ministry and spend 30 minutes exploring it this week.
✅ Identify a Potential Creator: Think of one person in your ministry context who has a unique perspective. Schedule some time to talk with them about how their unique input might be beneficial to your mission.
Ministry Leadership Comparison DON'T DO Wait for "The Big Idea" to start writing. Write for 10 minutes daily to find the idea. Stick only to ministry-related books/media. "Dabble" in diverse topics to create sparks. Edit yourself into silence. Prioritize quantity to eventually reach quality. Try to find a "mini-me" to delegate to. Find people who surprise or outshine you. View story-gathering as a separate task. Keep a running list of life moments as they happen. Resources Ministry Incubators
Authors and Creators to Keep up With:
- Bob Goff
- Tim Keller
- James Patterson
The Millicent Quibb School of Ettiquette for Young Ladies of Mad Science - Kate McKinnon (AudioBook)
Contacts Renée Wilson – renee.wilson@ministryarchitects.com
Anthony Rogers – anthony.rogers@ministryarchitects.com
Kat Bair – kat@ministryincubators.com
Ministry Architects Website
In this episode, Renee and Anthony Rogers sit down with Rob Dyer and Kerri-Ann Hayes to unpack the delicate balance between logistical systems and the Spontaneity of the Holy Spirit. Whether you are leading a large team or serving in a smaller ministry context, finding the "sweet spot" between a well-laid plan and the freedom to pivot is essential for sustainable ministry growth.
Understanding the "Why" Behind Structure Many ministry leaders view structure as the enemy of the Spirit, but this episode reframes systems as the very thing that creates space for the Spirit to move.
- Structure as a Safety Net: Clear systems can provide security for the people you serve. When the groundwork is handled, people feel free to engage spiritually.
- The Power of Predictability: For those in your care, knowing what to expect reduces anxiety. This is especially true for families and volunteers who rely on clear communication to show up fully.
- Systems as Stewardship: Building a solid infrastructure is a way of honoring the resources and the people that God has entrusted to your ministry.
- 💡 Insight: Structure is not about control, it's about creating a platform where spontaneity can safely exist.
The Role of Spontaneity in Ministry If structure is the tracks, spontaneity is the train. You need both to get anywhere meaningful.
- Holy Spirit Interruptions: Sometimes the most profound ministry moments happen when the plan is scrapped to meet a sudden need, such as a crisis in the life of a person you serve.
- The Risk of Over-Programming: When every minute is accounted for, there is no room for the "holy unexpected."
- Flexibility as a Leadership Skill: A healthy leader knows how to read the room and pivot when the current plan isn't resonating or when a deeper spiritual need arises.
- ⚠️ Warning: Surprises can be good or bad depending on the context that they happen in. If the people involved aren't cued in or prepared it can sometimes lead to chaos for everyone involved.
Navigating the Tension in Smaller Ministry Contexts Leaders in smaller churches often feel stuck because they lack the "big church" systems. However, the guests emphasize that the principles of balance apply regardless of size.
- Don't Mimic, Adapt: Smaller ministries shouldn't try to copy the complex systems of larger churches. Instead, find your own structure that works for your specific congregation and volunteer base.
- Empowering Volunteers: Clear structure tells a volunteer exactly how they can succeed. Without it, they often feel overwhelmed or invisible.
- The "Spontaneous" Strategy: You can actually plan for spontaneity by building "buffer time" into your events and meetings.
Actionable Steps for Ministry Leaders * ✅ Identify Your "Friction Points": Look for areas in your ministry context where things feel chaotic. Is there a simple system (like a checklist or a shared calendar) that could alleviate that stress? * ✅ Audit Your Calendar: Are you so over-scheduled that you have no room for a spontaneous coffee with a person in need? Clear 10% of your time just for the unexpected. * ✅ Clarify the Win for Volunteers: Give your team a clear structure so they know what success looks like. This is important because it can provide them with the freedom to be more present with those that they serve, rather than struggling to meet unspoken expectations. * ✅ Practice the "Pause": Before starting a planned program, take a moment to ask, "Is this still what is needed right now?" Give yourself permission to pivot if the Holy Spirit is leading you in a different direction.
DO/DON'T Comparison: Balance in Action DO DON'T DO build systems that serve people. DON'T let the system become more important than the people. DO leave room in your program for silence and reflection. DON'T feel like you have to fill every empty second with content. DO communicate changes clearly to your team when they are made. DON'T scrap the plan without explaining the why to your volunteers. Memorable Insights "Structure is the skeleton that allows the body to move, but the Spirit is the breath that makes it alive. You can't have a functioning body without both." — Rob Dyer
"If our systems are so rigid that a person in crisis feels like an interruption, we have missed the point of ministry." — Carrie Ann Hayes
Resources Volunteer Accelerator
Our Preventative Maintenance Calendar
Planning Center
Contacts Renée Wilson - renee.wilson@ministryarchitects.com
Anthony Rogers - anthony.rogers@ministryarchitects.com
Rob Dyer - rob.dyer@ministryarchitects.com
Kerri-Ann Hayes - kerri-ann.hayes@ministryarchitects.com
MinistryArchitects.com
In a culture that is more connected yet more lonely than ever, how can ministry leaders create worship experiences that resonate with young adults without falling into the trap of "gimmicks"? In this episode, Chris Sasser and Anthony Rogers join Brandon Collins and Renée to explore the tension between feelings and truth, the importance of authenticity, and how to bridge the generational gap in worship.
The Role of Feelings and "Heart Language" in Worship A common observation among young adults is the phrase, "You could just feel the Spirit in the room." While the Holy Spirit is always present, the way we experience that presence can be deeply emotional.
- Feelings as a Gateway: Emotions are a natural human response to God's presence; they allow us to become small so God can become big.
- The "Heart Language" of Music: Style and phraseology can act as a "heart language" that connects with people on a core level, yet growth often happens when we are stretched beyond our own preferences.
- Feelings vs. Truth: While feelings move people, leaders shouldn't rely on them exclusively.
- 💡 Insight: Songs don't necessarily create feelings; they often draw out the feelings people are already carrying, such as anxiety about everyday responsibilities or strained relationships.
Bridging the Generational Divide The struggle over worship styles often boils down to a conflict of preferences rather than a conflict of mission.
- Married to the Mission, Not the Method: Leaders must be willing to let go of the specific methods they prefer (or are paid to produce) in favor of the church's larger mission.
- The Trap of Preference: Preference can often be a veil for selfishness. Maturity in faith means recognizing that worship is an offering to Jesus, not a service we "get" something out of.
- Intergenerational Wisdom: The benefit of intergenerational worship is not one-way; younger generations bring fire and energy, while older generations provide a lineage of wisdom and lived scripture.
- ⚠️ Warning: If a church fights over preferences, it destroys the trust necessary for the body of Christ to function as one.
Teaching and Preparation for a Younger Audience Don't assume that because people are in the room, they understand the theological depth of the songs being sung.
- Space to Teach: Especially with teenagers and young adults who may not have a church background, leaders must create space to explain the truths and theological tenets within the music.
- Facilitating Connection: The goal of a worship leader is to facilitate a space where people can get beyond themselves and have a one-on-one encounter with God.
- Authenticity over Gimmicks: Younger generations are not looking for high production values for the sake of a "show"; they are looking for authenticity—a consistency between what happens on stage and how leaders live on a Thursday afternoon.
Actionable Steps for Ministry Leaders * ✅ Audit Your Metrics: Re-evaluate how you gauge a "successful" worship service. Move away from measuring only "observably responsive" behavior (like hand-raising) and trust that God is planting seeds even in the stoic or quiet participants. * ✅ Host a "Why Don't We?" Session: Gather a group of young adults or interns and give them the freedom to ask "Why don't we...?" questions about your ministry. Listen to their perspectives without getting defensive. * ✅ Contextualize Your Setlist: When choosing songs, ask if the theme connects the entire service—from the sermon to the ministry moments—to tell a cohesive story. * ✅ Practice Empathy: When leading younger generations, validate the weight of their struggles. What might seem small to an older leader is often "the deal" to a young person.
DO/DON'T Comparison DO DON'T DO treat worship as an offering to Jesus. DON'T treat Sunday morning as a "check the box" activity. DO provide "space to breathe" and reflect during the service. DON'T pander to preferences under the guise of "meeting people where they are." DO teach the "why" behind worship posture and liturgical elements. DON'T minimize the problems of young adults because you have more life experience. "Worship should be both emotional and thoughtful. If it's just emotional and they're just feelings, then are we really being formed in what it is that we are growing in?" — Chris Sasser
Ministry Architects Website
Featuring: Robbie Seay from The Worship Initiative
If you have ever felt like the people you serve are treating Sunday morning more like a concert than a communal gathering, this episode is a must-listen. Robbie Seay from The Worship Initiative joins us to unpack the exact reasons why congregational singing is on the decline and what ministry leaders can do to reverse the trend.
Whether you lead a massive team or are a volunteer in a small church of under 200 people, this conversation is packed with practical tools to elevate your worship ministry without needing a massive budget.
📊 The Problem: Why Aren't People Singing? We are living in an era where people consume more worship music than ever before, yet they are singing less during weekend gatherings. Referencing research from Dr. Will Bishop of William Carey University, who surveyed 5,000 regular churchgoers, Robbie highlights the core barriers to congregational participation:
- The Gender Divide: Men typically cite external factors for their lack of participation, such as song choices, lighting, or volume. Women primarily blame themselves, stating they do not like their own voices or feel intimidated by the professional sound coming from the stage.
- The "Performance" Shift: The last two decades have brought a performance culture into the church, making ordinary people feel that singing is an exclusive activity reserved only for the talented.
- Too Many New Songs: Without intentional guardrails, churches are introducing too many unfamiliar songs, leaving those in your care unable to engage.
- Vocal Gymnastics: Many top modern worship songs feature massive octave jumps, making them practically unsingable for the average person.
💡 The Big Insight: When 5,000 churchgoers were asked what would help them sing more, the number one answer was a desire for deeper, more theologically rich songs. People want substantive lyrics to hold onto.
⚖️ DO / DON'T: Choosing Songs for Your Ministry Context * ❌ DON'T choose songs based purely on what sounds great on Spotify if they require an expansive vocal range or giant octave jumps to sing. * ✅ DO provide a healthy diet of songs, blending Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs that have sturdy theological "handles" people can grasp. * ❌ DON'T introduce new music constantly without a plan. * ✅ DO establish clear guardrails for how and when new songs are taught to your community.
👉 6 Metrics for a Healthy Worship Culture Sunday morning should not just look and sound good. If you want true church growth and depth, use these six biblical metrics to evaluate your worship culture:
- Centered on the Word: Are you singing scripture, or are you just singing vague, generalized religious concepts?
- Jesus-Focused: Christianity is a Christ-centered faith. The songs you choose must point the people you serve directly back to Jesus.
- Spirit-Empowered: While preparation matters, you must leave room for the Holy Spirit to move in power beyond your setlist planning.
- Telling the Gospel Story: Your time of worship and the flow of your service should actively communicate the full story of the Gospel.
- Congregational Singing: This is paramount. Are the people actually singing? If not, leaders must do some soul-searching and make changes.
- Pursuing Beauty and Excellence: While it is not the primary goal, God is honored when we use our skills to create beautiful, excellent music.
Memorable Quote: "I don't know that we ever get to a healthy culture without healthy rhythms of worship showing up in the lives of God's people throughout the week." – Robbie Seay
⚠️ Singing as a Daily Spiritual Discipline Worship cannot be contained to a 90-minute weekend service. The Bible mentions singing 400 times and directly commands believers to sing 50 times. Most biblical singing was not done by professionals, but by ordinary people responding to God's goodness. Singing biblical truths acts as a spiritual discipline that refines and sanctifies us into the likeness of Christ.
🛠️ Free & Low-Cost Resources from The Worship Initiative Originally founded by Shane & Shane to train volunteer worship leaders, The Worship Initiative has grown to serve around 11,000 churches globally. They offer a massive, accessible ecosystem of resources categorized simply:
- Solo: An online training platform to help leaders learn songs, theology, and pastoral care.
- Sing: A 15-minute daily devotional running five days a week. It invites everyone (including non-singers, teachers, and engineers) to build a rhythm of singing and scripture into their mornings.
- Play: Resources and instruction for those wanting to learn an instrument, from youth to adults.
- Lead: High-level training specifically designed for worship leaders navigating conflict, team building, and volunteer management.
✅ Action Steps for Ministry Leaders * Audit your setlists: Look at your upcoming songs. Are they theologically rich, or are they vague? Do they point explicitly to Jesus? * Check your song keys: Review the vocal ranges of your current music and ensure they do not require octave jumps that alienate the people you serve. * Equip the "non-singers": Consider adopting a "singing school" mentality where you actively give permission and basic education to those who feel they do not have a voice. * Resource your volunteers: Direct your worship team to The Worship Initiative to access comprehensive training on charts, theology, and leadership.
Resources Mentioned * Book: Spiritual Disciplines for the Christian Life by Donald S. Whitney * Book: Christ-Centered Worship: Letting the Gospel Shape Our Practice by Brian Chapell * Website: Sing from The Worship Initiative * Website: Play from The Worship Initiative * Podcast: The Worship Initiative
Contacts Renée Wilson - renee.wilson@ministryarchitects.com
Brandon Collins - brandon.collins@ministryarchitects.com
Robbie Seay - http://www.robbieseayband.com/
https://ministryarchitects.com/podcast/from-performance-to-participation-how-can-we-foster-worship-engagement/
Guest: Anthony Hunt, Next Gen Pastor & Author of The AI-Powered Church
From performing as a professional mascot for over 20 years to leading in Next Gen ministry, Anthony Hunt brings a unique energy to the conversation about the future of the church. In this episode, Anthony breaks down the walls of fear surrounding Artificial Intelligence, arguing that when used correctly, AI isn't just a shortcut, it's a partner that can help us reclaim our time for what matters most: discipleship and people.
If you are a ministry leader feeling burnt out, a tech skeptic worried about the "soulless" nature of digital tools, or a creative looking to amplify your impact, this episode offers a theological and practical framework for moving forward.
💡 AI: Your New Creative Teammate Many leaders fear that AI is simply a tool for plagiarism or a "easy button" that kills creativity. Anthony challenges us to flip the script and view AI as a creative partner rather than a replacement.
- The "Teammate" Mindset: Imagine a teammate who has a PhD in everything, never sleeps, and doesn't talk back. That is the potential of AI when used as a collaborator.
- Amplify, Don't Offset: The goal isn't to remove the human artist but to amplify human expression. Just as filmmakers and 3D printers have expanded what is possible, AI can widen the possibilities of ministry.
- Protecting Deep Work: The best use of AI might simply be automating the mundane to protect the creative time only you can do.
Insight: "We don't need to build 45 studios in an actual parking lot... maybe we can actually be even more creative with using some of these tools." — Referencing Tyler Perry's approach to AI production.
⏳ Sustainability & The Theology of Time Productivity isn't just about doing more; it's about stewardship. We discuss how digital tools can either blur the lines between work and rest or help us enforce them.
- The "One Man Band" Myth: Ministry Architects emphasizes that you don't have to do it all. We are called to equip the saints, not do all the work of the ministry.
- Jesus' Model of Time: Jesus saw time and energy management as a spiritual issue. He knew his purpose, abided in the Father, and frequently said "no" to good things to focus on the vital few.
- Systematized Purpose: Use tools like the Eisenhower Matrix or "Getting Things Done" methodology to be ruthless with your calendar. If you don't define your "vital few," the "trivial many" will consume you.
🚧 Addressing the Tech Skeptics Is the church's slow adoption of technology a badge of honor or a missed opportunity?
- Barna Research: 3 out of 4 practicing Christians have ethical concerns about AI.
- The Printing Press Parallel: In the 1440s, people feared the printing press would spread evil ideas. Instead, it mass-produced the Bible. Technology is amoral; it amplifies the intent of the user.
- Contextualization (Acts 17): Paul entered the Areopagus and used the idols of the culture to point to Jesus. AI is the defining issue of our day; we must understand it to contextualize the Gospel for the next generation.
✅ Practical Wins: How AI is Serving the Church Now Anthony shares incredible stories of how AI is removing barriers and making the Gospel more accessible:
- Disability & Inclusion:
- The Challenge: A blind student in kids' ministry couldn't engage with "watch the screen" curriculum.
- The AI Solution: Using AI to rewrite the lesson weekly, adding descriptive audio cues and tactile instructions specifically for that child.
- Neurodivergence: Instantly adapting lessons for high-energy kids (movement-based) vs. those needing low stimulation.
- Translation & Missions:
- Spanish Services: Using AI voice translation to create "huddle videos" where the pastor speaks fluent Spanish to welcome the Espanol service.
- Global Church Planting: Translating resources into French for a church plant in Africa without needing a massive translation budget.
🛑 Guardrails & Considerations While we embrace the tool, we must remain aware of the dangers, especially regarding children.
- No Soul: AI cannot empathize, it cannot pray, and it is not made in the Image of God. It never replaces pastoral care.
- The "Drill" Analogy: You wouldn't hand a child a power drill without teaching them how to use it. We cannot leave kids to navigate AI alone.
- Emotional Substitutes: Watch out for kids using chatbots as substitutes for parents, small group leaders, or counselors. We must disciple them to seek human connection and Godly wisdom, not just algorithmic answers.
👉 Actionable Next Steps Don't let the "tech jargon" intimidate you. Here is how you can start this week:
- Develop AI Literacy: You don't need to know how to code, but you do need to understand the world your people are living in.
- Just "Play": Go to ChatGPT and ask it to do something fun to break the ice.
- Prompt Idea: "Create a biblically accurate, non-explicit rap battle between the Apostle Paul and Peter referencing their writings."
- The "One Task" Challenge: Identify one workflow that drains your time this week (writing emails, newsletters, policy documents). Try using an AI tool to draft it for you, then edit it with your voice. See if you can buy back 4 hours of your week.+1
Resources Mentioned:
- Book: The AI-Powered Church: How AI Can Multiply Your Time, Fuel Creativity, and Keep the Gospel Centered by Anthony Hunt
- Book: Essentialism by Greg McKeown
- Book: Getting Things Done by David Allen
- Book: Deep Work by Cal Newport
- Software: ChatGPT
Contacts Renee Wilson - renee.wilson@ministryarchitects.com
Brandon Collins - brandon.collins@ministryarchitects.com
Anthony Hunt - anthony@mercyroad.cc
http://ministryarchitects.com
In this episode, Renée and Brandon join Nick Hall, founder of Pulse, to dismantle the stereotypes of street-corner evangelism and reimagine what sharing faith looks like in 2026. While acknowledging that transactional, "sales-pitch" methods may be losing steam, Hall argues that the office of the evangelist is more vital than ever, particularly for a Gen Z demographic that craves raw authenticity over polished production. The conversation highlights a surprising spiritual hunger in the current cultural moment and challenges church leaders to reintegrate the evangelist's voice into their teams—shifting the focus from fighting culture wars to genuinely loving neighbors and normalizing conversations about Jesus just as we would any other passion.
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As we kick off 2026, hosts Renée and Brandon Collins dive into a vital question for ministry leaders: Who is the best kind of person to walk with us when we just need another voice in our lives? Joined by veteran consultants and coaches Aqueelah Ligonde and Doug Ranck, this episode explores the nuances between coaching, mentoring, and guiding, and why having a "sounding board" is essential for long-term health in ministry.
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Ministry Architects has built a library of free, customizable tools that hundreds of church leaders are already using to strengthen their ministries. In this episode, Brandon and Renée walk through over a dozen downloadable resources, including planning guides, evaluation tools, volunteer systems, and digital ministry helps, all designed to give you more time with people and less time reinventing the wheel.
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What if the best gift you could give your team this Christmas is permission to be themselves? Join guests Heather Kenny—ministry coach—and Rob Dyer—senior pastor and comedian from Southern Illinois—as they join host Renée to discuss how leaders can navigate the holiday paradox: the busiest season that also offers unexpected breathing room, where authenticity matters more than performance.
Discover how to support team members through grief, protect your own grounding practices when schedules tighten, actually listen without planning your pastoral response, and receive Christ's peace instead of trying to manufacture it for everyone else. Your presence matters far more than your performance this season.
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Is it better to hire a new church staff member from the outside, bringing a fresh perspective, or from the inside, leveraging someone who already knows the culture? This episode tackles one of the most common and complex questions in church leadership. Join the Ministry Architects team as they talk with Sara Bailey (Director of the Search Division) and Jeremy Shelley (Candidate Care Consultant) to explore the nuances of promoting from within. They provide practical, actionable steps for church leaders to navigate this process well, care for the candidate, and protect the health of the church. Full Show Notes and Key Takeaways
Are you a ministry leader constantly feeling pulled in a million directions, bogged down by administrative tasks that drain your energy and keep you from your true calling? You know you need help, but asking for it feels like a failure, or maybe you believe it's your job to do it all. In this episode, we sit down with seasoned ministry leaders David Gaddini and Annette Safstrom to tackle the critical, often unspoken, need for administrative support in the church. They explore why leaders hesitate to delegate, how to shift your church culture to embrace support roles, and practical ways to find the right people. Discover how to assess your own workload, determine if you need a paid or volunteer admin, and learn the difference between delegating and just dumping tasks. This conversation is packed with wisdom and actionable steps to help you find peace, increase your impact, and focus on what truly matters in your ministry. Full Show Notes
Join our hosts and our special guests, Dr. Gabby Cudjoe Wilkes and Trey Wince, for a transformative conversation that will give you permission to rethink your entire approach to goals. Discover why the traditional playbook often fails in a ministry context and learn how to shift from shame-inducing output goals to life-giving habits, systems, and stories. This is your guide to building a healthier, more innovative, and genuinely impactful ministry.
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From social media strategy and volunteer training to the very tools we use on Sunday morning, technology is woven into the fabric of modern ministry. But are we using it effectively? How do we navigate the learning curves, avoid the pitfalls, and truly partner with families in a digital age? In this episode, we sit down with author and ministry leader Brittany Nelson to discuss the heart behind her book on digital discipleship. She offers a wealth of wisdom on how to thoughtfully integrate technology, avoid common mistakes, and lead your people well through change. Full Show Notes
Is the local church enough for deep theological learning, or is formal education essential for ministry leadership? What if you feel called to more but seminary isn't an option? In this episode, we tackle the critical and often-debated topic of continuing education for ministry leaders. Joined by guests Lesleigh Carmichael and Bianca Howard, we explore the practical reasons for pursuing a seminary degree, how to build a powerful learning plan without formal education, and what to do when you encounter a leader who thinks they've already learned enough. This conversation is packed with wisdom for anyone feeling stuck or wondering what's next in their leadership journey.
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Are church milestones just traditions, or do they hold the power to shape faith and engage families? In this episode, we explore how to create a "theology of milestones" that moves beyond one-off events to become a core part of your discipleship journey. Joined by family ministry experts Elaine Pendergrass and Werner Ramirez, discover why celebrating everything from baptism to getting a driver’s license can be a profound act of ministry and the practical first steps you can take to make them more meaningful.
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Are small groups a non-negotiable for pastors and staff? This episode tackles the sensitive topic of staff participation, exploring how to foster genuine community while protecting your own soul. Guests Phyllis Kim Myung, a Lead Pastor in LA, and our very own Mike Crain join the conversation to unpack the nuance.
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Today we're joined by guests Candi Cylar and James Warren to unpack what keeps people coming back to churches and ministries. The conversation draws from decades of ministry leadership, event planning, and hands-on experience with church growth, all aimed to equip pastors, church leaders, and volunteers—especially those serving in small or plateaued churches. Whether you're wrestling with attendance, wondering about the real impact of big events, or searching for actionable church marketing and hospitality tips, these comprehensive show notes will help you capture all the wisdom, strategies, and next steps discussed in the episode. Full Show Notes
In this episode, we are joined by Derek DeGroot, President of Aspen Group, to explore the overlooked yet essential role of physical space in church ministry. Drawing from Derek's expertise as a licensed architect dedicated to designing and building church spaces, the discussion encompasses sacred stewardship, the intersection of tradition and innovation, and practical next steps for churches—especially those feeling stuck or seeking meaningful growth.
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In this episode of the Ministry Architects podcast, hosts Renee Wilson and Brandon Collins are joined by Keith Cureton, CEO of Bethany Christian Services. They dive deep into the urgent need for foster care and how churches and individuals can transform children's lives.
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In this value-packed episode, we dive deep into the world of ministry conferences, exploring everything from maximizing the conference experience for church teams to building meaningful connections. We discuss practical tips for both attendees and presenters, share strategies for implementing conference learnings, and offer guidance on selecting the right events for your team. Whether you're a seasoned conference-goer or considering your first event, this conversation provides actionable insights, encouragement, and even includes some lighthearted discussions about ice cream along the way.
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In this important episode, host Renée Wilson talks with Laura Addis and Anthony Prince about powerful, real-world experiences and insights from leading churches through devastating natural disasters. Laura Addis recounts her church's response to Hurricane Helene in Asheville, North Carolina (September 2024), while Anthony Prince shares lessons learned from the rapidly spreading wildfires in Los Angeles, California (January 2025). This conversation offers invaluable guidance for any church leader preparing for or currently navigating moments of widespread crisis.
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In this episode, Brandon and Renee chat with Todd Hixenbaugh, a ministry leader and podcaster, about the relevance, strategy, and practicalities of using podcasts as a tool for church ministry and communication. They explore current trends, audience engagement, content repurposing, and how to view podcasting as an integral part of ministry efforts.
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This episode dives deep into the latest research from the American Bible Society's "State of the Bible" report. John Plake shares surprising statistics about Bible engagement across different generations and demographics in America, discussing trends like "religious churn," the plateauing of the "nones," and how churches can effectively connect the gospel with today's culture. The conversation offers practical insights and challenges church leaders to innovate based on current data.
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In today’s episode, we’re pulling wisdom from the past to solve one of the most pressing challenges of today: how to lead a church in a culture that’s spiritually curious—but deeply skeptical. You’ll discover why the Nicene Creed—yes, that ancient statement of faith—might be the most relevant discipleship tool for this cultural moment. We’ll unpack how to use it to build trust, foster spiritual resilience, and guide your church with clarity and confidence in a time of confusion.
We welcome Glenn Packiam, lead pastor of Rock Harbor Church in Costa Mesa, CA, to explore the question at the heart of his new book, What is a Christian Anyway? The conversation dives deep into the confusion and corruption that have shaped the perception of Christianity today, the power of the Nicene Creed to anchor believers, and how churches can effectively disciple in an age of skepticism.
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Technology isn’t optional anymore—it’s shaping the way we disciple, connect, and communicate. But how can ministry leaders embrace digital tools without compromising the relational heart of the church?
In today’s episode, we’re joined by Brad Hill, Chief Solutions Officer at Gloo, to unpack the tensions, trends, and tools shaping today’s ministry landscape. You’ll hear why 92% of your people open texts but ignore emails, how AI can serve your church without stealing its soul, and what 50,000 churches are doing to measure spiritual growth in a more personal and effective way.
We’ll explore the deep question behind every tech decision—“Does this strengthen relationships?”—and give you practical next steps to use texting, digital assessments, and even AI to fuel discipleship, not just digital noise. If you're ready to stop guessing and start leading with clarity, this conversation will give you the courage and tools to move forward.
https://stateofthechurch.com/
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In this episode of The Ministry Architects Podcast, Renée and Brandon sit down with Sean and Kate, two youth pastors who have successfully implemented a collaborative youth ministry model in McMinnville, Oregon. They share the journey of forming the McMinnville Youth Collective, how it has transformed their youth groups, and why churches should consider working together to maximize their ministry impact. If you've ever wondered how to build a thriving, sustainable, and engaging youth ministry—without burning out—this episode is packed with practical wisdom, real-life examples, and actionable steps to help you get started. Full Show Notes
Change in church ministry can feel like an uphill battle—especially when every new idea seems to hit resistance. But what if that resistance isn’t actually the problem? In today’s episode, we explore why naysayers aren’t just obstacles but essential partners in making meaningful change happen. Learn how to shift your perspective on resistance, leverage pushback for innovation, and create a church culture where new ideas don’t just survive—they thrive.
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In this episode of the Ministry Architects Podcast, we’re diving deep into the biggest shifts happening in churches today. The landscape of ministry is changing—budgets are tighter, staffing models are evolving, and volunteerism remains a challenge. But churches aren’t just surviving; they’re finding smarter, more sustainable ways to thrive. Join Renée Wilson, Trey Wince, Annette Safstrom, and Brandon Collins as they break down what’s working, what’s changing, and what’s coming next for church leaders in 2025. Full Show Notes
Staffing challenges are at an all-time high in ministry, with churches across the country facing unprecedented vacancies and shifting workforce dynamics. In this episode, we dive into the critical staffing strategies churches need to adapt, grow, and thrive. From rethinking recruitment to building sustainable leadership pipelines, this conversation is packed with actionable insights and practical solutions for ministry leaders.
- Contact Levi Smith or check out churchstaffing.com
- Connect with Ministry Architects about finding your next hire.
- Connect with Brandon Collins: brandoncollins.org - brandon.collins@ministryarchitects.com
- Connect with Renee Wilson: renee.wilson@ministryarchitects.com
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Change can feel daunting, but it’s often the key to unlocking your church’s full potential. In this episode, we explore practical tools to overcome resistance, spark creativity, and lead impactful innovation in your ministry. Featuring insights on how to identify root challenges, inspire fresh thinking, and build momentum for sustainable change, this episode equips church leaders to take the next step confidently.
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We’re diving into the heart of hospitality during the Advent season, equipping church leaders with actionable strategies to make Christmas services a welcoming experience for all. Whether you’re a small church wondering how to get started or a large ministry looking to refine your guest engagement systems, this episode is packed with practical tips and fresh insights.
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In today’s episode, we’re diving into a holistic approach to empowering young leaders for sustainable ministry—without burning out or holding back the church’s potential as we grow older. We’ll cover strategies for equipping new leaders, fostering innovation, and building a future-ready church.
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In today’s episode, we’re tackling one of the most pressing issues in youth ministry: keeping young people connected to their faith. We’ll dive into TenX10’s transformative approach, exploring how relational discipleship can replace program-heavy models to build lasting, meaningful connections with the next generation.
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In today's episode, we’re breaking the mold on traditional ministry approaches. We’ll explore how ministry grants can be the game-changer your church needs to embrace innovation, unlock new possibilities, and fuel sustainable transformation. Whether you’re looking to start something new or breathe fresh life into your current ministry, this episode will show you how grants can empower your vision and lead your church into a thriving future.
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On today's episode, we're learning about the group of 65 million Americans who are curious about the Bible. We'll dig into the research on this group and discuss strategies for effectively engaging them in your ministry.
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In this episode, we're looking at "social enterprise," a revolutionary concept that's reshaping the way many churches operate. We'll explore how this innovative approach can help churches thrive in a rapidly changing world. Discover how social enterprise can generate revenue, strengthen your ministry's impact, and even provide a lifeline to your community. It's time to rethink the traditional church model. Are you ready for a new way of doing ministry?
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In today's episode, we're diving into the digital frontier of ministry and exploring the revolutionary impact of virtual admins. This role is reshaping the way churches and ministries operate, offering a flexible, scalable, and cost-effective solution to a wide range of administrative tasks. From managing calendars and emails to handling finances and social media, virtual admins are freeing up ministry leaders to focus on what they do best: serving their communities. We'll discuss the benefits of hiring a virtual admin, explore the skills and qualities to look for in a remote team member, and share real-world examples of how virtual admins have transformed ministries. Full Show Notes
Have you ever looked at your career and wondered if there was something more? Maybe you’ve built a successful career in business, technology, or another field, but a persistent pull towards ministry keeps tugging at your heart. In this episode, we sit down with Rob Dyer and Candi Cyler, two individuals who made the bold leap from their professional worlds into full-time ministry. They'll share their inspiring journeys, the challenges they faced, and the invaluable skills they brought with them. Get ready to be inspired as we explore the possibilities of a second act dedicated to serving God in full-time, vocational ministry.
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On today's episode, we're diving into the unique challenges faced by smaller churches and uncovering innovative strategies to provide them with the resources and support they need to thrive. We'll explore the crucial differences between the needs of large and small congregations, reveal the power of community collaboration, and discuss how to build robust support networks that can sustain and grow even the smallest of church communities. Join us as we highlight the importance of accessible resources, innovative ministry models, and the invaluable benefits of broadening your church's support system.
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In today's episode, we're diving deep into the world of church internships. We'll explore how to build a sustainable, high-impact program that equips young people for a lifetime of service.
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Today's episode isn't just about inclusion, it's about unlocking the joy that comes from creating a community where everyone thrives. Get ready to be inspired by stories of connection and learn how your church can foster vibrant community that welcomes everyone!
Join as for an incredible conversation with Gail Ewell!
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In this episode, we'll explore how to empower your leaders to forge lasting fellowship in their small groups. You'll find several key principles to build sustainable small groups that become anchors for your church.
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In today's episode, we return to the world of artificial intelligence and its massive potential for church ministries. We'll explore real-life use cases that show how AI can streamline operations, enhance engagement, and drive innovation in your ministry.
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Imagine a world where staff evaluations aren't dreaded meetings, but exciting opportunities for growth. Today's episode will help you craft meaningful conversations, empower your staff, and create a culture of continuous improvement that fuels ministry success.
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In this episode, we'll crack the code on the summer slowdown, revealing how to navigate the changing tides of attendance and schedules, empower your team for self-sufficiency, and unlock fresh possibilities for growth all year long.
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Ministry leaders often feel stuck in a cycle of urgency and quick fixes. In this episode, we'll show you how to break out of that pattern with systems that not only survive but keep your ministry moving forward sustainably for the long-haul.
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Planning takes us from chaos to clarity. In today's episode we'll show you how to create a roadmap that fuels ministry growth, frees you from worry, and unleashes greater impact for your ministry.
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This episode cracks the code on coaching. Whether you're coaching your team or connecting with a ministry coach of your own, you'll learn how to maximize the impact of the each insight and unlock hidden potential.
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This episode dives deep into the lost art of active listening. We'll explore why good listeners make powerful ministry leaders, uncover the hidden dangers of "waiting to talk," and discover how to silence the voice in your head so you can truly hear the hearts of your people.
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In today's episode, we dive into the strategic importance of forging effective ministry partnerships. We'll explore how an initial assessment and open communication can lay the groundwork for a successful collaboration, propelling your ministry to new heights.
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On today's episode we're tackling the specific anxieties faced by ministry leaders and volunteers, offering practical solutions to tame that stress and create a more sustainable ministry experience for staff and volunteers alike.
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In today's episode, we explore artificial intelligence, including its potential and its pitfalls. Can AI be a tool for good, or will it steal your pastoral touch? The answer may surprise you.
AI Resources:
- Blog Post: Embracing AI: A Pastoral Perspective
- Free Resource: AI Cheat Sheet Download
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Today’s episode is all about communication. From social media strategies to storytelling tips, we'll unveil secrets to engage your community, both inside and out.
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In this episode, we take a deep dive into the art of onboarding a new staff member. We'll go beyond administrative checklists, focusing on building genuine relationships, fostering open communication, and giving tips that can help create momentum throughout the onboarding process.
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In this episode, we explain the journey of writing and publishing a book. We explore how it's possible to balance family, work, and writing, and discuss the crucial question every author must answer: "What do you want your book to do for you?" We also touch on the power of patience, the importance of having a platform, and the healing process that writing can provide. Whether you're an aspiring author or simply interested in the book creation process, this episode offers practical insights and advice. Join us as we navigate the world of writing, with seasoned guides Chris Sasser and Annette Safstrom ready to help guide you through your literary journey.
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In this episode, we explore the concept of Spiritual Direction. We’ll dig into what Spiritual Direction is, how it can help you, and the best ways to get started.
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In this episode, we discuss effective strategies to combat stress and burnout during the busy holiday season. Discover how to recognize warning signs, establish healthy rhythms, and prioritize self-care. Plus, learn valuable tips for managing expectations and maintaining resilience.
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Welcome to a special holiday episode where we dive into the realm of Christmas creativity. In this episode, we explore the delicate balance between embracing tradition and unleashing new ideas during the holiday season. Join us as we discuss insightful tips on timing, staying true to your church's identity, and finding inspiration from various sources. Discover how to create engaging experiences that resonate with people of all ages, and how to make the Christmas season meaningful for everyone. Get ready for a thought-provoking conversation that will spark your creativity and help you make this Christmas truly unforgettable.
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In this episode, Kerri-Ann Hayes joins us to answer a challenging question: “What if a church can’t accommodate individuals with special needs?”
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In this episode featuring Chris Sasser, we get practical about the importance of building relationships, empowering young leaders, and understanding the changing dynamics of generations.
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In this episode we explore the hidden impact of local context on our ministries. Then we’ll give some practical strategies, from assessing commute times to interviewing community members, that can help you create an engaging and transformative environment in your ministry.
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In this episode we explore the hidden impact of local context on our ministries. Then we’ll give some practical strategies, from assessing commute times to interviewing community members, that can help you create an engaging and transformative environment in your ministry.
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On this episode we talk to Lyle Griner about how to make sure your students aren’t bored with church, but excited about it. And the solution may surprise you.
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In this episode, we discuss the challenges and opportunities of finding church staff in the post-pandemic era while sharing plenty of helpful insight along the way.
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We know that summer can be a little different in the world of ministry, so we’re mixing it up and dropping a bonus episode of the Ministry Architects podcast for you to enjoy.
During our extended conversation with Camp Director Kyle Gray, Renee took a few minutes to ask him some rapid-fire questions covering everything from favorite camp games, unique campgrounds, and his favorite aspects of camp overall.
If you enjoy this bonus episode, make sure to check out the full episode with Kyle: episode 156 called Unlocking the Power of Summer Camp Ministry.
And don’t worry, in a few weeks we’ll be back with more full episodes to help you create healthy systems and innovative change for the future of the church.
On this episode, we introduce a new way to think about stewardship and fundraising in your ministry that encompasses budgeting, relationships, as well as how you communicate and teach about finances and giving.
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This episode is all about camp. We'll uncover the secrets behind breaking down walls and opening hearts, discuss strategies for recruiting dedicated volunteers and leaders, and give tips for addressing parents' concerns about camp.
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On this episode we’re talking all about the state of discipleship with Pastor Rob Dyer. These post-pandemic times are creating fresh opportunities for a shift in church culture, and we believe that’s a good thing.
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Are you a senior pastor thinking about launching a campus? Are you a campus pastor looking for some resources that will help you lead your campus successfully? Actually, no matter who you are ,if you are looking for information about campus pastoring, you've come to the right place! In this episode Trabelus and Renee talk with campus pastors Anthony Prince and Brent Parker about campus pastoring and provide 8 tips that will help any campus pastor be successful.
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In this episode Trabelus and Renee talk with campus pastors Anthony Prince and Brent Parker about campus pastoring and provide 8 tips that will help any campus pastor be successful. Full Show Notes Here.
In this episode we sit down with the Author of Adaptive Church: Dustin Benec and he shares about his book, the process, and empowers you with next steps on how your church can be more adaptive.
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Today we talk with the author of "BAGS," Chris Sasser, who names the 8 common bags we carry, identifies the heaviest bags, and provides tips for parents who want to help their kids lighten the load.
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On this episode we discuss 7 common pitfalls churches face when launching campuses. We’ll explore how to make sure you’re launching for the right reasons and that your launch will be successful for years to come.
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On this episode we discuss practical approaches to diversity, equity, and inclusion in ministry. We’ll cover things like story-telling, understanding the difference between being welcome and feeling like you belong, and creating systems to ensure everyone has a seat at the table.
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In this episode, author Michaele LaVigne explores what it’s like to lead well in a world of full of noise and burnout. Along the way she gives advice about how ministry leaders can stay grounded in a deep, genuine walk with Jesus.
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Today we’re talking with Ministry Architects president Trey Wince about some of the key lessons churches can learn from 2022. Then we’ll share some of the new ways our team is looking to partner with and support churches in 2023.
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On this episode, Angie Wysocki shares from her experience as a professional event planner on how any ministry can increase the impact of their events without increasing stress or expenses. We’ll talk about the idea that people support what they create and guidance on creating remarkable moments at all of your events.
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On today’s episode we’re talking to Bill Kennon and diving into how good systems can build culture, save you time and money, and unlock potential in your ministry. We’ll also explore how to prevent a system from making your ministry feel stale and key indicators you can use to evaluate the systems in your organization.
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In this episode, Pastor Rob Dyer shares the story of how one sermon sparked a revolution in how his church cared for one another.
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Today we explore the topic of coaching in ministry. We’ll discuss who needs a coach, how to find the right one, and how any ministry leader can learn to become a better coach of those they lead.
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Today we hone in on the role of small groups in adult discipleship and what it might look like to start discipleship even before someone has started attending your church.
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Today we talk with Adrian Schoonmaker about the practical and philosophical realities that make adult discipleship tick. We’ll explore the effects of COVID as well as online church on the world of adult discipleship and share some tips and resources along the way.
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This week we talk with Mike Roberts about the challenges and advantages he faces as a full-time pilot and part-time youth pastor.
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Today we explore bivocational ministry from the perspective of Chris Adams, a part-time pastor and real estate agent. He'll share the blessings, challenges, and advantages of bivocational ministry including the opportunities for both big and small churches with this unique model.
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On this episode we dive into the world of virtual assistants and how this up-and-coming working arrangement can transform supercharge your ministry.
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On this episode, Bryant and Melissa talk about the changes coming to the podcast, the lessons they’ve learned over the years, and how to know when it’s time to move on.
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On this episode we talk to Brent Parker about how churches can be more effective and dynamic as they engage their communities with the light of the Gospel.
Learn more about the Volunteer Accelerator: volunteeraccelerator.com
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On this episode we talk to Kerri-Ann Hayes about ministering to children with special needs including how to make your ministry more accessible even if you have zero budget and no extra space.
With 1 in 10 kids facing a hidden challenge like autism, ADHD, or anxiety, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.
Learn more about the Accessible Church coaching cohort.
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On this week’s episode, we walk through some of the best (and worst) ideas we’ve seen when it comes to volunteer recruitment. We’ll cover a wide range of do’s and don’ts as well as some common myths about the best way to get new volunteers to join your team.
On this week’s episode of The Sustainable Ministry Show, we’re talking about what to do when everything goes wrong. We’ve all made mistakes but many times those same failures can hold powerful opportunities for ministry. Learn more about the Volunteer Accelerator here.
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On this week’s episode, we tackle the tough questions that every church is facing as Easter approaches:
- What’s the best way to maximize the ministry impact of Easter week?
- Is it possible for that momentum to multiply even after your final service ends?
Click here for a Easter follow-up summary guide based on the ideas in this episode.
Learn more about the Volunteer Accelerator here.
- Easter - Is what happens before or after more important?
- 4:24 - Minecraft Easter egg hunt to walk through the story of Jesus.
- https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sun-grove-church-minecraft-easter-egg-hunt/
- https://sungrove.org/minecraft/
- https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Easter-egg-hunt-to-happen-on-Minecraft-15193785.php
- https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/children-respond-to-gospel-through-minecraft-easter-egg-hunt/
- https://www.mycrossroadschurch.com/minecraft-easter-egg-hunt.html
- 6:41 - Use the pandemic to pause and ask valuable questions about how your church approaches Easter. What are you doing? Why? For whom?
- 9:27 - Is it possible to create a hybrid Easter experience that appeals and applies to both outsiders and insiders?
- Creating a hybrid often leads to doing neither one well.
- 12:03 - Using Easter as an opportunity to engage young families who have not yet returned to church post-COVID.
- 14:04 - Using Saturday “fun” events as a stepping stone to building relationships with people. Consider reaching people as a marathon, not a sprint. Invite people to come back on Sunday for Easter service, but be OK if they don’t come back right away.
- Then measure the results and impact of that event on attendance long-term.
- 15:54 - Churches doing a primarily “fun” event should look and feel a little different from other fun events (e.g., PTA events). They should know us by our love. It should be extraordinary and attractive to people.
- 16:35 - What are we aiming for people to experience when they come on Easter?
- Visualize it like a storyboard through someone’s journey: the face of the parking team, the welcome team’s interactions, the connection center with a free coffee card, etc.
- 19:12 - Baptism on Easter Sunday vs baptism on the weekend after Easter
- 22:17 - How do you equip and train your people to be at their best on days like Easter when people show up who might only come to church once or twice per year?
- 27:01 - How do you follow up with people after Easter?
- At least one contact point within 24 hours of someone filling out a connection card.
- For Easter, enlist a few extra volunteers into the standard process for follow up to help with the extra influx of people.
- Suggestions for actions steps to suggest to people when following up.
- 29:32 - The importance of keeping your connect card simple so as not to overwhelm people. Name, phone, email, and ability to subscribe to the newsletter.
- 30:00 - Logistical considerations leading up to Easter, for example, reorder connect cards so you have enough! Then equip your ushers to replace and replenish them between services.
- 30:50 - The personal experience of attending a church for 2 years without being contacted by that church even after filling out many connection cards. Contrasted with a different church where, within 24 hours of visiting had a call from the associate pastor just wanted to connect and hear more about them and their family.
- 35:14 - Do the people your serving feel known, cared for, and recognized? This can be the thing that makes the difference in your ministry!
- Remember that a connection card is a person that you worked and prayed for! Not just a number. We need to be good stewards of the people God blesses us with.
- Many people are shocked if a pastor reaches out to them.
- The care for people must be genuine or people will be able to tell.
- 37:15 - Application Question: Look at your church staff and ask, “How does the time, energy, and effort that we’re pouring into preparation for Easter similar to the time and effort we spend following up with people after Easter? How will carry that momentum forward?”
- 38:09 - Everything in a church’s budget can be boiled down to an in-reach (grow) and an outreach (reach) bucket. Many times there is a disproportionate ratio in how much people will spend on outreach.
- Easter might be a good moment to pause and explore how you are working with people and developing them even after they are connected with your church.
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- Check out Trabelus’ church: VBCoastal.com
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New year, new leadership - and where are those rainbows coming from? On this week’s episode, the team interviews the new President of Ministry Architects, Trey Wince, to talk about his vision for moving the church forward.
We know it can be scary, but you've got to figure out where you've been before you can figure out where you need to go. On this week’s episode, the team talks about the importance of structured evaluations for assessing what’s working, what’s not, and what needs to happen next.
How can we move away from a model of ministry that treats giving to others as a way to get something from them, and instead toward an understanding that giving does more to the giver themselves? On this week’s episode, the team discusses gratitude, generosity, and the ways our ministries benefit when we put the focus on giving rather than transactional relationships.
Many churches have pivoted online during the pandemic - but is it important to stay online? On this week’s episode, the team talks about what it means to do ministry and worship both onsite and online and what it might mean for your community.
When people ask you why your church exists, what do you tell them? On this week’s episode, the team talks about the importance of a well-written, well-cast vision, one that helps people focus on what God is calling your church to do.
Once you've got your volunteer team, getting them engaged, equipped, and excited for the year ahead is an important step! On this week’s episode, the team talks about the importance of getting your volunteers invested in your kickoff volunteer trainings.
Is your church figuring out how to reopen? What are you doing about masks? Is it okay to pass the peace? And what about hugs? On this week’s episode, the team talks about what to do as we start to move out of the cloud of the pandemic – while recognizing we’re not all the way there yet.
How do you know when you’ve got the right person in the right place in your ministry? On this week’s episode, the team talks more about volunteers and how to make sure you've got people serving in the role that fits them best.
On this week’s episode, the team talks about fun! Fun may not always be the goal in your ministry, but here’s how it can play a worthwhile part in getting there.
If you're going to make Sabbath work, you've gotta plan for it! On this week’s episode, the team talks about how to prepare for your Sabbath, including a strategy to help you plan flexibility into your week.
Is it really alright to take a break when the world is like...well, this?On this week’s episode, the team talks about the importance of Sabbath – even, and especially, during these upside-down times.
Don't let current circumstances stop you from building and growing your ministry team! On this week’s episode, the team debunks some myths around volunteer recruitment during this time of upside-down ministry.
Don't just call them volunteers - the work is bigger than that! On this week’s episode, the team discusses three big myths about recruiting people to serve in key roles at your church.
How are you using this unique Lenten season to prepare your congregation for this year's Easter? On this week’s episode, the team talks about the advantages of planning for Easter now, as well as discussing the types of needs your congregants might be feeling during this Lenten season.
It's not too early to start looking ahead - especially given the times in which we're doing ministry! On this week’s episode, the team talks about preparing for Easter, and how the changes that will come this year can still make Easter fruitful.
Every ministry has turnover - so how do you find the next right fit for your open position? On this week’s episode, the team talks tips for starting the search process for your next ministry leader, including how to prepare, who to include, and where to begin.
A light shines in the darkness - but in the middle of a pandemic, can we see it? On this week’s episode, the team talks about this, the season before Christmas, and the different ways we can help our congregations get ready to welcome the newborn baby – even in the middle of this upside-down time.
What does it take to make a church's family ministry fruitful - and sustainable? On this week’s episode, Bryant welcomes author and pastor Chris Sasser to talk about the essentials of family ministry, and the steps you can take to build bridges between parents and the church.
What do you do when the job feels like a lot? On this week’s episode, the team talks about the importance of self-care in your ministry, especially in these times when so much around us is draining.
When a Major Event is over, what should you do - other than take a nap? On this week’s episode, the team talks about what happens after a Major Event, and what is and is not different in that process during the pandemic.
Why do you do the events you do - and could the pandemic give you a chance to do some much-needed pruning? On this week’s episode, the team talks about the Major Events Calendar, a tool for establishing rhythm in your ministry, and how our current circumstances might give you opportunities for growth and change.
How are you feeling as you look at your ministry calendar for the fall? On this week’s episode, the team discusses the very real fatigue many of us are feeling right now, including tips for facing your weariness with grace and love.
How are you feeling about ministry this fall? On this week’s episode, Bryant welcomes children’s ministry expert Annette Safstrom to the podcast team, discussing how finding ways to be grateful during this time can help your ministry to become more innovative.
Welcome back to the Sustainable Ministry Show! On this week’s episode, Bryant and Aqueelah reconnect for the first time on the podcast since the beginning of the pandemic, discussing the journey of the last four months and what it means for churches and church systems as we strike a new way forward.
When a church empowers its youth, God shows up in incredible ways - and during this season, the church needs that power more than ever! On this week’s episode, Mark is joined by two teenagers, Colette and Avery, to talk through how listening to the youth in your church can be a source of amazing innovation, especially during this unprecedented time.
Now that we're past the chaos of planning for an Easter under quarantine, we can turn our attention to the road ahead - but what does that even mean? On this week’s episode, Mark and the team talk with ministry pro Jen DeJong to hear her thoughts on how long we might find ourselves in this unprecedented season, and how we can plan to be innovative for an extended period of time.
This is a uniquely stressful time, so as ministry leaders, what kind of toolbox do we need to make sure we don't buckle under the weight? On this week’s episode, Ministry Architects founder Mark DeVries and our panel welcome special guest Margaret Burnett to talk about resilience, and how centering yourself can help center your kids and your church.
As our churches begin to adapt to doing life in this unprecedented time, what should our ministry begin to look like? On this week’s episode, Ministry Architects founder Mark DeVries and familiar Sustainable Ministry Show voice Aqueelah Ligonde talk with the team about doing ministry in the middle of this moment of crisis, focusing on how to move from a place of survival to a posture of service to the community and the world.
As we get our feet under us in this unprecedented time, how do we use the tools we have to still do ministry well? On this week’s episode, Ministry Architects founder Mark DeVries leads a panel discussion on doing ministry while your community is away from your church building, including innovative ways to use technology, how to plan for Holy Week, and more.
We are living in unprecedented times - and God is calling us to be innovators in how we minister to our churches right now. On this week’s special episode, Ministry Architects founder Mark DeVries leads a panel discussion with ministry experts about what it means to be innovators during the disruption caused by the novel coronavirus.
What common problems do churches usually have in recruiting volunteers, and how do they frame those problems? On this episode of the Sustainable Ministry Show, the team starts a two-part conversation about volunteering, introducing the problem of how ministries tend to talk about the issues of volunteer recruitment and retention.
On this week’s episode, the team welcomes April Diaz, founder of Ezer & Company, to share her story about how her personal faith journey has led to a passion for empowering women around the world.
Can you believe we've done a hundred of these? We can't either, and it's time to celebrate what God has been doing! On this week’s episode, Bryant is joined by voices from all over the Ministry Architects world, sharing stories about our successes and failures, to celebrate this amazing milestone.
We've been doing the Sustainable Ministry Show for 99 full episodes, and we'd love you to join us as we record number 100 live. On this special bonus episode, Bryant has a special message for what's in store at our live recording. Join us at the Ministry Architects Facebook page on Thursday, December 19th, at 2:10 pm to help us celebrate!
What is it like to be passionate about growing a youth ministry from the ground up? On this week’s episode, the team is joined by Lawrence Coles, youth minister and owner of Speek Lyfe Entertainment, who shares wisdom on growing thriving youth ministries through the lens of his own personal story.
We all believe our congregations to be unique, but we often have more in common with other churches than we realize - and figuring that out can open us up to new possibilities. On this week’s episode, the team welcomes Trey Wince, Director of New Disciples for the Greater New Jersey Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church, to share about a new resource to help your congregations understand who they are and how they can best grow.
Sometimes the tools we need to cultivate thriving ministries aren't just spreadsheets and notebooks. Sometimes, it can be as simple as living with a thankful heart. On this week's episode, the team talks about cultivating expressions of gratitude, acknowledgments of abundance, and acts of generosity, all of which can shape not just how you perceive your ministry but how your ministry itself develops.
When your ministry is in charge of multiple major programs and events, how do you keep track of all of the little things that need to get done? On this week's episode, the team lays out one of the most important tools you can have in your ministry tool belt that will help you both with short-term tasks and long-term planning: the Preventative Maintenance Calendar.
What can your church do to be more inclusive of families of kids with special needs? On this week’s episode, the team welcomes special guest Julie Hornok, author of "United in Autism: Finding Strength Inside the Spectrum" and mother of a daughter with autism, to talk about how churches, leaders, and parents can work together to welcome kids with autism and their families fully into the life of the church.
You just pulled off a major event - congratulations! What happens next? On this week’s episode, the team talks about the ins and outs of debriefing after a major event, and how a good process can make that event even better next year.
On this week’s episode, the team talks about the big events that every church expects staff to run, and how recruiting and equipping a major events coordinator can help make those events more successful and sustainable.
How do we keep volunteers enthusiastic and engaged in our ministries? On this week’s episode, the team talks about how to equip your volunteer team for serving in the ministry - not just in one training session, but throughout your program year.
It's almost time for the start of another program year, and you want to start it off right! On this week’s episode, the team talks about starting your program year with enthusiasm and excitement by building an amazing Leaders Launch and a fantastic Ministry Kickoff.
Spring is a time to get rid of the old and bring in the new - and that applies to your ministry's staffing structure, too! On this week’s episode, the team discusses renovating your ministry’s staff structure to make sure there’s clarity among three important roles: the Architect, the Contractor, and the Laborers.
What do you do with the needle in the haystack once you've found it? On this week’s episode, the team finishes up their two-part conversation about bringing in the right candidate for your open ministry position, including how to make them feel like part of the team right away.
Finding the next person to fill your open ministry position might seem like finding a needle in a haystack, but with the right processes in place, you'll be finding that needle in no time. In this week’s episode, the team starts a two-part conversation about hiring for ministry positions, focusing first on the importance of an excellent search process.
Communication and marketing are two sides of the same coin: both essential to your ministry, but very different in focus and execution. What kind of story are you telling about your ministry? In this week's episode, the team talks about the differences between communication and marketing, and how a plan of intentional marketing can draw in people who are outside your ministry.
Successful communication with your congregation is vital if you want your ministry to thrive, so how can you be sure you're being heard when you're shouting down from the mountain? In the week’s episode, the team discusses the do’s and don’ts of ministry communication, and how an intentional plan could be key to getting more buy-in from your congregation.
Knowing that you need to start volunteer recruitment early in order to be successful, how can you set yourself up for maximum success? In this week's episode, the team talks about a powerful recruitment tool called the Volunteer Fishing Pond that gives you a framework to find the volunteers you need for your ministry to thrive.
The Sustainable Ministry Show Episode 084 Getting a Volunteer's Best YES! - Is it crazy to start recruiting for your Fall programs in the previous February? It'd be crazy not to! In this episode, the team discusses starting volunteer recruitment early and how it leads to getting the best "Yes!" you can from your volunteers.
The Sustainable Ministry Show Episode 083 The Secret Sauce of Benchmarks - Now that you have your Big Hairy Audacious Goals, how do you evaluate them? In this episode, the team discusses evaluating your three-year goals using benchmarks and how those benchmarks are key to building sustainable processes.
BHAGs: Big Hairy Audacious Goals - what are they, and how can they drive success in your church? In this episode, the team talks the importance of crafting BHAGs for keeping your ministry from just maintaining the status quo.
How can ministry calendars tell a story? In this episode, the team talks the nuts and bolts of calendaring for your ministry, and how that calendar can drive innovation and conversation about the future.
What is Sabbath, what is it not, and what can it do for your ministry? In this episode, the team talks about the importance of making room for Sabbath in your calendar by sharing stories about how Sabbath has changed our ministry.
How soon is too soon to start planning your major ministry events? In this episode, we talk about tools for getting planning started early and for activating your team to do their best work together.
If you have not started yet, it's time to get the needed head start on your summer calendar. This week we discuss helpful ways to get the calendar complete.
More tips for partnering with parents and an interview with Shawn Howell of PrayerLights.
It's time to think about next year's budget. This week we've got a few helpful and not so helpful tips for you.
With the wrong approach, partnering with parents can be difficult to do. On this episode, we discuss the work that doesn't qualify as a partnership.
The Sustainable Ministry Show is still here! With a new host joining the team, new discussion, and new ideas, we will launch a new season in September.
Part 2 of our discussion on the lessons we wish we knew when we first started in ministry.
If you could go back to your first day in ministry, what would you say to yourself? We hear from Jen DeJon, Anthony Prince, Brian Kuhn, Doug Ranck, Renee Wilson, and Steve McConnell.
This week we reflect on the five steps to creating a healthy climate for your ministry and Melissa shares Stephen's origin story of becoming a fox whisperer.
Ministry committees can be difficult to master, but they are worth every effort you put into developing them. On this episode, we discuss the healthy practices of successful committees and share some tips for a good agenda.
Annette Safstrom, Co-Author of Sustainable Children's Ministry with Mark DeVries, joins the show today and shares about what prompted the book, her experience in children's ministry, and some of the largest challenges children's ministry directors face.
Melissa, Stephen, and Bryant talk about goals for this year, lifehacks for ministry in 2018, and share a few book recommendations as the episode closes up.
Creating a healthy climate in your ministry is wildly important. But what does it take? Melissa, Bryant, and Stephen discuss the pillars that are required to creating a healthy environment in the church.
Stephanie Caro and Brad Fiscus join Melissa and Bryant to talk about their small church track at the National Youth Worker's Convention.
Sara, Melissa, and Bryant discuss how to form a search team and launch them into success.
On this episode Sara, Melissa, and Bryant discuss how to land an interview well when you're looking for a new ministry position.
On today's episode, Melissa and Bryant discuss traps of social media that leaders and job applicants can find themselves in and how to get out of them.
Sara Bailey, Search Manager, joins Melissa and Bryant to share what she's learning about successful staff searches.
In Melissa's absence Stephen quotes Anchorman, we discuss the importance of setting participation goals and address why it's not all about numbers.
How do you plan an exciting fall kick-off? Bryant, Melissa, and Stephen have some ideas that may help. And if not, there's at least a song for you to enjoy.
In this segment, we finish discussing the important components of a leadership launch and Melissa takes the lead in the sustainable ministry challenge.
Melissa, Stephen, and Bryant are discussing the importance of planning a wildly successful leadership launch. This is the first of two segments.
On this week's episode, Stephen and Bryant discuss landing at the wrong airport, preparing your team, and the important components for meaningful mission trips.
This week Melissa makes a point about appreciation, Bryant shares a poem, and they discuss the important components of saying thanks to your team.
Need to evaluate your traditions, rituals, and rites of passage? Here are a few things to consider as you do.
Innovation means change but it's crucial to success and to a thriving ministry. But when do we innovate? How do we create the culture to innovate? And what are the components?
Want to know about the smaller church, but don't have time to read the books? Take some time to listen to Stephanie Caro, Melissa Rau, and Brad Fiscus discuss what they've discovered.
Investing in your personal development is a crucial part of building your ministry. When you invest in your own development, it's actually an investment in the people you lead.
On this week's episode, Melissa, Bryant, and Stephen continue their conversation about leaving your church position well.
How do you leave your church position well? What about when you've been asked to leave? Here are a few ideas.
Stephen shares his experience with ice and snow, we discuss resumes and cover letters in preparation for the search process.
It's time to recruit volunteers. What do you need to do that well? Today, we answer that question.
On episode 043, we begin discussing the volunteer recruitment process and the required elements before you make a call.
This week on The Sustainable Ministry Show Melissa, Stephen, and Bryant share volunteer stories, ban a phrase, and ask you for trivia questions.
Bryant, Melissa, and Stephen reflect on 2016, discuss resolutions for 2017, and are fully distracted with Google effects. We'll be back later in January. Merry Christmas and happy new year!
Melissa, Stephen and Bryant are reflecting on John C Maxwell's book, "How Successful People Lead," and jest about making connections on Facbook and Bryant's inner plans for taking over the photography world.
Stephen, Melissa, and Bryant share their crazy journeys and encourage you to do the same.
Stephen and Bryant discuss setting staff up for success through annual reviews and point out a few of the pitfalls along the way.
This week, we respond to listener questions about committees and how they function in the church. Keep the questions coming.
On this week's episode, we discover that fall has yet to arrive in Alabama and we discuss advent practices including an idea you can adopt with your family this year.
In this week's episode, Melissa and Bryant are prompted by the folks at Priest Pulse to discuss prioritizing discipleship over attendance. The recipe seems to call for both.
Sustainable ministries require an architect, a contractor, and laborers. In this week's episode, we're taking the time to describe each role and the tasks they take on. Which one are you playing?