Beyond Sunday Worship Leader Podcast: Recent Episodes

David Santistevan: Worship Leader, Blogger, Teacher

David Santistevan from the popular davidsantistevan.com blog dives into the heart of worship leading, worship ministry, songwriting, and making disciples. Discover how you can take your worship leadership to the next level through practical teaching, expert interviews, and the latest resources for worship leaders. From developing a discipleship strategy, engaging your congregation, writing your own songs, leading your best worship, and so much more, this podcast will help you become the worship leader you are called to be.

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Not all spiritual formation is created equal. Just because you read your Bible, pray, and go to church every Sunday does not mean you are being renewed – as Colossians 3:10 says – in the image and knowledge of your creator.

A very good litmus test for us as followers of Jesus is…do we look like Jesus? Do we love what Jesus loved? Do we love whom Jesus loved? Do we speak as Jesus spoke? Do we embody what Jesus lived and died for?

That has been the historical definition of a Christian for generations: little Christs.

With the rise of Christian nationalism in our present day, many outside the church look at Christianity in America and wonder, what does it actually mean to be a Christian?

One of my favorite books in the last year was Making it Plain: Why We Need Anabaptism And The Black Church with Dr. Drew G.I. Hart. So I wanted to bring him on the show to talk about the history of anabaptism. The history of the black church. And what we can learn about following Jesus today.

Drew is an author, speaker, and professor of theology at Messiah University in Pennsylvania. With a decade of pastoral experience, Drew is a leading voice in Christian ethics, black theology, and anabaptism.

Topics Covered:* Drew’s upbringing in “Black evangelicalism” * The difference between “Black Evangelicalism” and “Black Liberation Theology” * The history of Anabaptism, its victories and vices * The multicultural reality of Anabaptism globally * The Christendom mindset and its influence today * The history of colonial conquest in America and the birth of the Black Church * How The Black Church balances out Anabaptism * What went wrong with Christopher Columbus and his spiritual formation * Why liberation theology is often resisted * The Black Lives Matter movement and why it is so often resisted

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Making it Plain: Why We Need Anabaptism And The Black Church by Drew Hart

Show Sponsor: Planning CenterThis episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it’s almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It’s the end of the week. You’re about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there’s a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you’ll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it’s all right there, so you’re not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sundays easier, go to planningcenter.com/blog.

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Not all spiritual formation is created equal. Just because you read your Bible, pray, and go to church every Sunday does not mean you are being renewed - as Colossians 3:10 says - in the image and knowledge of your creator.

A very good litmus test for us as followers of Jesus is…do we look like Jesus? Do we love what Jesus loved? Do we love whom Jesus loved? Do we speak as Jesus spoke? Do we embody what Jesus lived and died for?

That has been the historical definition of a Christian for generations: little Christs.

With the rise of Christian nationalism in our present day, many outside the church look at Christianity in America and wonder, what does it actually mean to be a Christian?

One of my favorite books in the last year was Making it Plain: Why We Need Anabaptism And The Black Church with Dr. Drew G.I. Hart. So I wanted to bring him on the show to talk about the history of anabaptism. The history of the black church. And what we can learn about following Jesus today.

Drew is an author, speaker, and professor of theology at Messiah University in Pennsylvania. With a decade of pastoral experience, Drew is a leading voice in Christian ethics, black theology, and anabaptism.

Topics Covered: * Drew's upbringing in "Black evangelicalism" * The difference between "Black Evangelicalism" and "Black Liberation Theology" * The history of Anabaptism, its victories and vices * The multicultural reality of Anabaptism globally * The Christendom mindset and its influence today * The history of colonial conquest in America and the birth of the Black Church * How The Black Church balances out Anabaptism * What went wrong with Christopher Columbus and his spiritual formation * Why liberation theology is often resisted * The Black Lives Matter movement and why it is so often resisted

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Making it Plain: Why We Need Anabaptism And The Black Church by Drew Hart

Show Sponsor: Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

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When I was a young teenager, I heard a traveling evangelist say the best form of therapy was speaking in tongues. The preacher at the time was criticizing modern therapy as unchristian and, ultimately unnecessary. We don't need to sit in rooms and endless unpack our problems and our past trauma. What people need more than anything - he said - is the presence of God.

I understand the sentiment. I love the presence of God. I believe there is tremendous value in spiritual disciplines, practices, and experiences with God. But what happens to our formation as people when we are trained to be skeptical of therapy? How would our relationships be different, our marriages be different, our relationship with God be different if we learned to feel at home in the body God gave us? Where we didn't feel the need to set aside our humanity for performative piety? What if therapy is a gift from God?

I'm not a therapist or an expert on therapy. That's why I'm talking to Kate Willsey. Kate is a therapist and coach who specializes in religious trauma. She unpacks the tensions inherent at the intersection of the nervous system, theology, and spiritual formation. I've been following Kate's work on social media and have been so blessed by her work. And I thought you would as well.

Show Sponsor: Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sundays easier, go to planningcenter.com/blog.

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I remember my days as a young worship leader. There was always this unspoken tension between being performative and pastoral. Is it my job as a worship leader to provide a powerful, exciting experience or to guide them in a healthy practice for their spiritual formation? When we say worship was really good this week, what do we mean? If you lead worship, you know the tension. When you put a singer or musician on a stage, under the lights, it is by definition a performance. Performance is not a bad thing,but we, at the same time feel uncomfortable talking about performance when it comes to worship. If you surveyed your congregation, likely most would scoff at the idea of worship as a performance. And yet, we have adopted performative tools in local church ministry. So what do we do?

One of the worship leaders that helped me navigate these tensions early on was Paul Baloche. If you don't know the name Paul Baloche, you likely know his songs. Open The Eyes of My Heart, Above All, or Hosanna (Praise is Rising) have been staple songs in churches all over the world, and that's only scratching the surface of the sheer number of songs he's written. But what I love most about Paul is not his songwriting prowess but the fact that he's truly a normal guy like the rest of us. In a marketplace of worship that has often been defined by what is trending, cool, and exciting, Paul has been faithfully leading the church and coaching worship leaders on how to be themselves and lead with authenticity.

Paul is no stranger to the Beyond Sunday Podcast. And it was refreshing to catch up and talk all things worship. Even do some reminiscing about earlier eras of worship leading in the 80s and 90s.

Topics Covered: * The story behind Paul's new album * How Paul was discovered by Integrity Music in 1992 * How to resist performative ministry * The call to worship leader authenticity * Why everyone struggles with insecurity * The story behind Paul's new record

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Yes We Believe by Paul Baloche

Show Sponsor: Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sunda

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If you're like me, a child of the 80s, you grew up watching Star Wars. I understood a lot about Star Wars but what I didn't understand at the time was how political it was. The empire and the rebellion. Resistance. Fighting for the underdog and the oppressed. Fighting for an alternative way of being that is not dictated by empire.

One of my goals with this podcast is to create a diverse platform of voices within the church. Voices on the margins. Artists on the margins. Theologians on the margins. One of those important voices is author and Cuban-American theologian Kat Armas. One of my favorite books this year is her new book Liturgies for Resisting Empire.

This is a conversation about reimagination. Decolonization. Reclaiming agency. Seeing the beauty in humanity in dehumanizing times.

There's a lot here, but the entire conversation is worth your time if you like to be challenged, stretched, and gain perspective from a different vantage point in a global and diverse Christianity.

Topics Covered: * The importance of listening to marginalized people * Deconstruction vs Decolonization * How the Bible is co-opted in support of various political agendas * Why The United States of America can't be de-colonized * How to resist empire * Global missions and colonialism * How to care for those who have deconstructed their faith

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Liturgies for Resisting Empire by Kat Armas * Abuelita Faith by Kat Armas * Sacred Belonging by Kat Armas * Bewilderment by Richard Powers

Show Sponsor: Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sundays easier, go to

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The idea of worship is simple. Uncomplicated. When you think about it, worship is ascribing worth to someone or something.

As people of faith, we ascribe to God the worth, praise and adoration that He is due.

But worship that intersects with industry and organizations is inherently complicated. That doesn't mean it's wrong. That the worship industry is wrong or all mega church worship is unbiblical.

What it means that it's complicated and it's worth the wrestle.

Today's guest is Anna Golden - a worship leader, songwriter, and artist. Anna is a worship leader at Shoreline City Church in Dallas and has a wonderful new worship album out called Just Us.

My favorite song on the project is called Uncomplicated - and that's what I wanted to talk with Anna about.

In what ways have we complicated worship individually and corporately? What are the current tensions within the worship industry? We discuss tools and tips for worship leaders. And as a bonus, we both talk about our background as homeschoolers raised in the church and how that has shaped who we are today.

Topics Covered: * The oddities of growing up homeschooled * Anna's faith tradition growing up * Valuable skills worship leaders learn from Pentecostal traditions * What my homeschool journey looked like * The tension of ministry and money * The story behind Anna's new record * How we complicate faith and following Jesus

Resources Mentioned:

  • Show Sponsor: Dwell Bible (use link for 50% off)
  • Show Sponsor: Planning Center
  • Just Us by Anna Golden

Show Sponsor: Dwell Bible This episode is brought to you by dwell bible app. In our busy lives finding quiet moments to read the Bible can be challenging. I get it. Traditional, reading focused apps demand undivided attention.

You have to carve out specific time and space in your day but this also means missing opportunities to engage with scripture in your car or during workouts, or while you're just doing stuff around the house.

And that's where Dwell Bible app comes in, offering a unique way to engage with Scripture. Unlike reading apps, Dwell is audio-based. It allows the truth of Scripture to be read over you throughout your day.

Imagine hearing the Bible while driving to work or running in the park or cooking dinner. You don't always need to find a quiet corner.

The word is with you wherever you are, filling your every day, mundane moments. So give Dwell a shot— it's a no-brainer.

You'll get to experience a whole new way to connect with God through the Bible. To get started listening, head to dwellbible.com/beyondsunday for up to 50% off today!

Show Sponsor: Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sundays easier, go to planningcenter.com/blog.

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Throughout church history there has always been an interesting tension between creativity and functionality. What is more important? Creating beautiful things or getting a certain message across? What is more important to worship? Right theology or beautiful art that displays the glory of God?

Do we need better theology in our songs or more honesty? We intuitively know this is a tension to manage, not a problem to solv e. No one would argue that theology doesn't matter. But has our pursuit of rightness caused us to lose some imagination? Some humanity?

Has our church culture fixation on efficiency, productivity, and uniformity formed us to forget the mystery and wonder of singing together as people?

My guest today is John Mark McMillan. John Mark is a brilliant artist, singer-songwriter, and lyricist. He has existed at this interesting intersection of artistry that most people don't understand while also writing some of the most popular worship songs of the last 30 years.

We talk about a lot of things. We talk worship. We talk church. We talk spiritually formative practices. We dive into guitar tone, abuse in the church, and the real story behind the infamous line, "sloppy wet kiss."

Topics Covered: * What JMM loves about life right now * Reading and listening to records * Why it's helpful to listen to music different than the music you make * How worship music is uniquely positioned to serve our society * How we've missed the point of worship music * The tension between creativity and serving our congregations * Why you should make art for yourself and not an audience * How JMM created the guitar tone on "Daylight" * Why art is never safe * Spiritual formation habits and practices * Viewing church as a spiritual practice * How to process abuse and injustice in the church * The story behind "sloppy wet kiss"

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Dwell Bible App * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * 1996 by Ryuichi Sakamato * Playing the Piano by Ryuichi Sakamato * The Way to Love by Anthony de Mello * Awareness by Anthony de Mello * How Music Works by David Byrne

Show Sponsor: Dwell Bible This episode is brought to you by dwell bible app. In our busy lives finding quiet moments to read the Bible can be challenging. I get it. Traditional, reading focused apps demand undivided attention.

You have to carve out specific time and space in your day but this also means missing opportunities to engage with scripture in your car or during workouts, or while you're just doing stuff around the house.

And that's where Dwell Bible app comes in, offering a unique way to engage with Scripture. Unlike reading apps, Dwell is audio-based. It allows the truth of Scripture to be read over you throughout your day.

Imagine hearing the Bible while driving to work or running in the park or cooking dinner. You don't always need to find a quiet corner.

The word is with you wherever you are, filling your every day, mundane moments. So give Dwell a shot— it's a no-brainer.

You'll get to experience a whole new way to connect with God through the Bible. To get started listening, head to dwellbible.com/beyondsunday for up to 50% off today!

Show Sponsor: Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sundays easier, go to plan

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I'm not a Lead Pastor, but I can't imagine anything more difficult than pastoring in today's political climate. We feel that these days are unique, but in reality they are not. History has much to teach us.

Occasionally I like to bring Lead Pastors onto the podcast to talk about how they're navigating cultural issues. My guest today is Evan Wickham. Evan is the older brother of Phil Wickham, also a worship leader and songwriter, and the pastor of Park Hill Church in San Diego, California. Here's what's interesting: In his very church, he has a Christian Border Patrol Agent and Immigrant families, both trying to make sense of the times in which we live. Evan's perspective on how to pastor faithfully is enlightening. What does faithful pastoring look like? How do partisan politics compromise the gospel? Should our Sunday services address the latest issues in the news or should we just stick to the gospel? Is it possible to pastor from the political center?

We can't escape politics, no matter how much we would like to try. Politics effect how we live together. The Bible is a political book.

Conversations like this rarely make anyone happy but faithful leaders need to step into the tension. Don't miss the end of the conversation where we talk about worship, songwriting, and the presence of God in our churches. Evan's challenge were beautiful and surprising.

Topics Covered: * Deconstruction and staying in the Church * Why Baby Boomer pastors are not known for letting go * 3 signs that you are a healthy pastor * The Matt Walsh vs Evan Wickham social media beef * How to think about what President Trump is saying and doing * How to Pastor both right and left leaning people in your congregation * What the presence of God actually means * Whether we should pursue revival or not

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Christ the King of Love by Evan Wickham * Evan Wickham Substack

Show Sponsor: Planning Center This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sundays easier, go to planningcenter.com/blog.

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When I accepted my first worship leader position over 20 years ago, I thought worship was all about the stage. Pick the right songs. Have the best musicians. Seamless transitions. Dial in your click and track system to perfection. While there's nothing wrong with those dynamics - there was something I wasn't considering. Worship culture. Now…culture has become a cliche - a buzzword, so to speak. But culture is the environment you steward. It's the conditions you create to shape the people who are a part of your team. And that matters a lot.

So today, we're going to talk about worship team culture. My guest is Michael Bethany. Michael is an award winning songwriter, artist, and worship leader. Michael coaches worship leaders and teams all over the world. We talk about how to build a healthy worship culture in 2026, developing leadership pipelines, spontaneous worship, celebrating diversity in the church, and why we need to bring back rehearsals!

Topics Covered: * Michael's journey to faith in Christ * Michael's early influences * The posture of a worship leader * Developing a leadership pipeline in your church * What worship leaders are struggling with * Creating systems in your worship ministry * Working on your ministry instead of working in it * How to do spontaneous worship well * Why we need to bring back rehearsals

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Dwell Bible (Click HERE for up to 50% off) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Sanctuary by Michael Bethany * Michael Bethany website

Show Sponsor: Dwell Bible This episode is brought to you by dwell bible app. In our busy lives finding quiet moments to read the Bible can be challenging. I get it. Traditional, reading focused apps demand undivided attention.

You have to carve out specific time and space in your day but this also means missing opportunities to engage with scripture in your car or during workouts, or while you're just doing stuff around the house.

And that's where Dwell Bible app comes in, offering a unique way to engage with Scripture. Unlike reading apps, Dwell is audio-based. It allows the truth of Scripture to be read over you throughout your day.

Imagine hearing the Bible while driving to work or running in the park or cooking dinner. You don't always need to find a quiet corner.

The word is with you wherever you are, filling your every day, mundane moments. So give Dwell a shot— it's a no-brainer.

You'll get to experience a whole new way to connect with God

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Topics Covered: * Developing a theology of suffering * The highs and lows of growing up Pentecostal * What we can learn about Spirit and Truth from Eugene Peterson * The diversity of the body of Christ within the attractional mega church, reformed church, and Pentecostal church * The tension between organizational progress and pastoral care * The story behind Michael's book title, "Daddy Set The Church on Fire"

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Michael's Website * Daddy Set The Church on Fire by Michael Charles Olson * Songs of Restoration by Michael Charles Olson

Show Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sundays easier, go to planningcenter.com/blog.

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Part of what I love to do with this podcast is highlight some voices that often get overlooked. Cultures that are often pushed to the margins of influence in the Church but have so much to offer us.

Today I'm speaking with Terry Wildman. Terry is the Lead Translator of the First Nations Version of the Bible. Currently there is a New Testament and Psalms and Proverbs available. And the Old Testament is currently being developed.

Terry is a man with native ancestry who grew up in Michigan, was saved during the Jesus Movement, and became pastor early on in his life. What's fascinating about Terry's story is he wasn't exposed to the history of indigenous people until later in life.

That knowledge led him down a path of decolonizing his faith, becoming a missionary to native peoples, and learning how to disentangle what is the way of Jesus and what is not.

This is a deep conversation. Some hard topics. Difficult history. But a challenge we all need.

Topics Covered: * Terry's journey of discovering his Native ancestry and culture * Why what we've learned about Indians in American history is wrong * Why we need exposure to indigenous Bible interpretation * What makes unity between Native Peoples and the church challenging in our political moment * What Christians in America can do today to help Native people * Why we need to decolonize the Bible * The history of Native Bible translation * Terry's favorite Indigenous names for God the Father and Jesus Christ * Why native people view their tribes through the lens of a matriarchal, rather than patriarchal system

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * First Nations Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament * First Nations Version: Psalms And Proverbs * Reading the Bible on Turtle Island: An Invitation to North American Indigenous Interpretation * One Church, Many Tribes: Following Jesus the Way God Made You by Richard Twiss * Rescuing the Gospel From the Cowboys: A Native American Expression of the Jesus Way by Richard Twiss * Birth of the Chosen One: A First Nations Retelling of the Christmas Story by Terry Wildman * Everything You Wanted to Know About Indians But Were Afraid to Ask

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Humans disagree on a lot of things. Religion. Politics. The best brand of peanut butter. But if there's one area where we can find some common ground, it's productivity. Getting stuff done. We all - to a certain degree - have to cross items off our to-do list. Whether you're a stay-at-home parent, Fortune 500 CEO, pastor, or entrepreneur, you have to take action on the goals that matter to you.

That's why I'm talking to author/speaker Jon Acuff. He's written a book called Procrastination Proof that simultaneously makes me feel seen and convicted at the same time. You see, I'm a serial procrastinator. When I don't know what to do next, I assume doing nothing will solve it. Problem is, it never does.

If you've ever heard Jon speak or read any of his books, it's a fun ride. He's hilarious and practical. In this conversation we talk about procrastination and how to beat it. We talk about Jon's journey as a PK and his perspective on leading a church. We talk about how to deal with criticism, small churches and mega churches, and even some worship leader jokes at no additional church.

Topics Covered: * Worship Leader jokes * How to deal with criticism * Why successful leaders develop bad habits * One thing every pastor needs * The four frameworks for becoming procrastination proof * The validity of small churches and mega churches

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Procrastination Proof by Jon Acuff * Jon Acuff website

Show Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.

Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

To see what else you can do to make your Sundays easier, go to planningcenter.com/blog.

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Topics Covered: * Zach's journey of coming to Christ * Following Jesus and suffering * Why we need to understand the historical context of the Bible * How to read the Bible accurately * Out of context Bible verses * The clumsiness of prayer * How to create a habit of prayer and Bible reading * Coffee routines

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Get Brick * The Bible, Simplified by Zach Windahl * Deep Work by Cal Newport * The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg * Atomic Habits by James Clear * Glitch Coffee Roasters * DAK Coffee Roasters * Black & White Coffee Roasters

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Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it's almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.

Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.

Does this sound like a familiar situation? It's the end of the week. You're about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there's a gap.

Instead of allowing yourself to spiral into a panic, try this:

In Services, Planning Center has gap alerts. Turn them on, and you'll get a heads-up days before service if positions are still unfilled or unconfirmed. No more end of the week scrambling.

Speaking of less scrambling, did you know you can access everything you need for rehearsals right from the Service media player on your phone? Lyrics, chord charts, arrangement notes—it's all right there, so you're not hunting for files in the middle of hitting those power chords.

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Topics Covered: * How Chris got started in Worship ministry * How the explosion of a worship industry has malformed us for local church ministry * Why we need Worship Pastors in the church * What unique challenges Worship Leaders are facing today * The downsides to the seeker sensitive movement in the American Church * How worship leaders and lead pastors can develop a healthy partnership * Leadership skills every worship pastor needs to develop in a multisite context

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Chris Kuti Instagram * Multitracks

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group thre

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Something I am so grateful for is the leadership experience I received growing up in the church. From a young age, I got involved in worship teams. I led small groups. I developed skills. I was put on stages I had no business being on. Church wasn't just a weekly service we attended. It was a leadership incubator.

L. Michelle Smith has written a new book called Call And Response: 10 Leadership Lessons From the Black Church. In it she discusses how the Black Church has historically developed high level business leaders. The book borrows from culture, neuroscience, and positive psychology to describe the power of the Black Church and why it has produced so many high level leaders .

Whether you've grown up in the Black Church or have never even visited, we all have something to learn here.

Because if the church stops developing leaders in favor of merely hiring out a professional, performative workforce, we could be in some trouble.

This is David Santistevan. You can reach me anytime at david@beyondsundayworship.com As always, thank you for listening.

Topics Covered: * Why the history of Call and Response in the Black Church matters to us today * Leadership development in the local church * Leadership lessons learned in the Black Church * What it's like being a successful Black women in corporate America * Why The Black Church is seen as inferior in both white and black spaces

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Call And Response: 10 Leadership Lessons From The Black Church by L. Michelle Smith * The Black Church: This Is Our Story This Is Our Song by Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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There's an argument that has gone around for decades and it revolves around the idea of how much worship music do we need? Do we have enough?

On the one hand, yes, we have more worship music than we'll ever be able to use in our Sunday morning services. And there's also the argument that worship music is the most lucrative music in Christian music. I don't think that can be debated.

So while there are business and industry incentives to make worship music that will always exist at the intersection of Christianity and industry, what is the biblical perspective?

What does the Bible teach us about singing, songwriting, and corporate worship?

Trip Lee is a hip hop artist, a preacher, a rapper, an author…and he's released a worship album.

I appreciate Trip and his commitment to God's Word.

We talk about the power of worship music, why we need more cultural expressions of it, and how worship music should be viewed as a tool of discipleship. We also talk about culture and Christianity, racial tension, and how we should think about the division in the church right now.

Topics Covered: * Trip's story of coming to faith in Christ * The influence of church music on Tripp's music * Musical and theological influences * Why Tripp decided to make a worship album * The intersection of culture and church * Why it can be challenging to partner together across racial and cultural lines

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * For Your Glory EP by Trip Lee & Brag Worship * Brag Worship

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Topics Covered: * The difference between formation and experience in worship * Why our current model of worship experiences isn't wrong, but inadequate * The value of silence in our gatherings * Why we need artists in the church * Creative ways to introduce silence, reflection, and community in our worship spaces * The kinds of songs the church needs to be singing today

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Glimpses of the New Creation by W. David O. Taylor

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Topics Covered: * Brittany's faith tradition growing up * The need for liberation theology and what it means for the local church * The importance of unlearning and contextualizing theology * Noticing how white supremacy undermines the prosperity of black people * The defunding of HBCUs and what that means for black thriving in America * What it means to be a red letter Christian * Politics and faith * The prophetic witness of the Black Church

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Brittany on Instagram * Brittany on Threads * Brittany's Website * The Black Church in the African American Experience by C. Eric Lincoln & Lawrence H. Mamiya * Jesus And John Wayne by Kristen Kobes Du Mez

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Service

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Topics Covered: * Calvin's journey as a worship leader * The reality of starting music later in life * Why we shouldn't be afraid of frequent new songs * Why diversity is important * How the Christian music industry needs to change * Why God still has a plan for you * The struggle of weight and image as a worship leader

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Aware Worship * Instagram.com/calvinnowell

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Topics Covered: * When David first noticed the politicization of American worship music * What David liked and disliked about the worship industry, as an insider * The musician similarities and differences between worship music and Wagner * How Hitler co-opted Wagner to serve his political agenda * Why it's not crazy to consider how worship music can serve authoritarian regimes * Paying attention to how worship music can manipulate a room * The difference between empathy and worship * Healthy and unhealthy triumphalism in church * Debrief of the Charlie Kirk memorial and what we can learn from it * Pro football/College football and racism * What to do if you can't stomach singing popular worship music in church * A true definition of Christian persecution

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * David Gate * The Soundtrack For American Fascism is Worship Music by David Gate * A Rebellion of Care: Poems & Essays by David Gate * Nested in Tangles by Hannah Frances * Baby by Dijon

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start cha

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What is the future of worship leading? How important are worship leaders and how will that role continue to develop in the future? No one really knows, but it's worth reflecting on. My guest today is Martha Munizzi - veteran gospel artist, songwriter, worship leader and co-pastor at epic life church in Orlando. This is an interesting conversation because Martha has the perspective of a worship leader and a pastor.

We talk about the tension of excellent worship experiences as it relates to church growth and simple congregational worship where the voice of the people take center stage. Practical ways to do simple worship without losing excellence. We talk about the beauty of gospel music and where it's headed. How to empower young worship leaders and what the older generation can learn from them. We also hear the story of how Martha brilliantly forced her way onto my podcast. It's kind of hilarious.

Topics Covered: * How Martha got started in music * Why Martha decided to write and pursue gospel music * Why worship is so important * How to empower younger worship leaders * How to simplify worship in a production-heavy age * The future of Gospel music * The story behind Martha's new project, "Church is Revival"

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Church is Revival by Martha Munizzi * Epic Life Church * Martha Munizzi website

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Justice - when you hear that word what do you think of? The word carries some baggage in the church today and has become highly politicized. Too much justice talk and you can be dismissed as Marxist, woke, or a proponent of the "unbiblical" social justice gospel. But if you can remove yourself from cultural baggage, read the Bible with fresh eyes, and look at the life of Jesus, you see justice everywhere. Justice was central to the life and mission of Jesus. And it should be to his followers as well.

One of the best books I've read on the topic is a new book by Joash Thomas called The Justice of Jesus: Reimagining Your Church's Life Together to Pursue Liberation And Wholeness.

Talking about justice shouldn't cause us to draw tighter partisan political lines. It should cause us - as Joash says - to be politically agnostic, except on behalf of our marginalized neighbors.

This is an eye-opening conversation. He talk about how colonization has shaped the Western church to resist justice. Why we need more teaching on justice and not less. Why it's important to diversity our theological influences. And some practical ways any local church can pursue justice.

Joash is a kind soul with a deep understanding of justice and Christianity in the global south and what we can learn in the west…from followers of Jesus all over the world.

Topics Covered: * How "wokeism" and "Marxism" have become deflective tactics to keep us from facing the truth * Why the Evangelical Church needs more teaching on justice * How colonization and colonialism has shaped us to resist justice * Why it's good for our formation to diversify our theological influences * Why Christians should be politically agnostic * Practical ways the church today can pursue justice

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * The Justice of Jesus: Reimagining Your Church's Life Together To Pursue Liberation And Wholeness by Joash Thomas * Joash Thomas website * Joash Thomas instagram

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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One of my goals with this podcast is not simply to talk about the spiritual but also the systemic. One could argue that the two are actually intertwined. Can Christian spirituality thrive in the midst of a toxic system? Is it possible to be formed opposite the ways of Jesus while using the name of Jesus? These are important questions to wrestle with and hold up to cultural Christianity today. We must talk about the cultural systems we are shaped by. That's not divisive or an attack of the enemy. The truth always shines a light. And the truth will always lead us to greater unity, even if some systems we've held dear need to come down.

Part of being a faithful follower of Jesus in the world is paying attention to what is of God and what is not. And that's why I wanted to have a conversation with my friend Phillip Joubert. Phillip is an artist with Common Hymnal, one of my favorite Christian artist collectives out there right now. They are making music that is a refreshing counterpoint to popular Christian music today. It's Jesus AND justice. It's praise AND protest. It's worship music that is rooted in the goodness of God but with a grip on the reality of our world. Phillip is a truth teller. A prophet, you might say. The voice of someone who spots trends and speaks with moral clarity and biblical conviction.

Topics Covered: * Why praise and protest are needed in our spiritual formation * Why worship culture tends to be tone deaf * Why we need to decolonize our theology of success * A different alternative to an industry of worship * The importance of understanding whiteness as a culture * Why America needs to be seen as a religion * Thoughts on Bad Bunny and rival Super Bowl halftime shows * What we can learn from the Maverick City controversy

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Phillip Joubert * Common Hymmal

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Topics Covered: * Matt's early years of punk band drumming * How Matt connected with Joel Houston and Hillsong Church * Staying childlike as a worship leader * How to overcome insecurity * The making of Matt's first solo project * Matt's favorite Hillsong song he's been a part of

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Interlude by Matt Crocker * Matt Crocker

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Part of my desire with this podcast is to highlight voices - important voices that may not break through into the Christian mainstream, but powerful and necessary voices nonetheless. One of those voices is the Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III, pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Dr Moss is a pastor, author, theologian, filmmaker and one of the very best preachers in America today. And I say that without hyperbole.

In this interview I talk with Dr. Moss about the black theological tradition, the black church, black music history, black worship, and what the global church can learn from this heroic, innovative, beautiful expression of the church today.

This is an important conversation. A necessary conversation for racial unity and moral clarity in polarizing times where history is at risk of being either forgotten or rewritten.

Dr. Moss is an amazing communicator. This conversation is full of history, theology, stories, culture, and the celebration of innovative people throughout history. This isn't just about political cheap shots. This is a celebration of the diversity and beauty of God.

Topics Covered: * The story of Dr. Moss's call to ministry and his early career aspirations * Why Dr. Moss and his church is "unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian" * Why "black theology" is a helpful categorization * What America can learn about democracy from jazz music * Why politics is not about right or left * What is happening in Chicago right now and why the church can't stay silent * Why every pastor needs a mentor outside of their cultural tradition * What pastors can learn from professional athletes * Otis' favorite books, movies, & documentaries

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III (website) * Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III (instagram) * Trinity United Church of Christ * Jesus And The Disinherited by Howard Thurman * The Souls of Black Folk by W.E.B. Du Bois * Poetry Unbound: 50 Poems to Open Your World by Padraig O Tuama * The New Abolition: W.E.B. Du Bois and the Black Social Gospel by Gary Dorrien * Black in Blues: How a Color Tells the Story of My People by Imani Perry * Dancing in the Darkness: Spiritual Lessons for Thriving in Turbulent Times by Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III * Blue Note Preaching in a Post Soul World: Finding Hope in an Age of Despair by Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III * Otis' Dream * Soundtrack to a Coup d'Etat * Daughters of the Dust

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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What happens when Americans lose faith in their religious institutions - and politicians fill the void? As you study the scope of American history - and church history in America - you see an interesting connection to charisma. Charismatic leaders rise to prominence and galvanize a following. From the puritans and Andrew Jackson to black nationalists and Donald trump, the saga of American charisma stars figures who possess a bewildering power to move crowds. Charismatic leaders address spiritual needs, inviting followers into a story that gives them knowledge, power, and heroic status, whether as divinely chosen instruments of God or those who will restore national glory.

This is the subject of historian Molly Worthen's new book Spellbound: How Charisma Shaped American History From the Puritans to Donald Trump. Molly is a professor of history at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and a freelance journalist. She teaches courses on North American religion and politics, global Christianity, and the history of ideas. Suffice it to say she is brilliant.

I wanted to talk to Molly because her new book feels relevant to our current political climate, but also because charisma the personality trait and charisma the power of the Holy Spirit - is important to understand church history. It's also important to understand worship and church and the gatherings that we lead.

Topics Covered: * The declining trust in institutions from 1970 until now * The difference between charisma and charm * The charismatic leaders of 20th century religious revivals * The rise of hyper partisan politics in the American Church * What we can learn from the life and politics of Charlie Kirk

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Spell-Bound: How Charisma Shaped American History from the Puritans to Donald Trump by Molly Worthen

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what's going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven't already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Topics Covered: * The journey from Worship & Creative Pastor to Lead Pastor * Transitioning from a white, suburban, homogenous church to an inner city, multicultural environment * The cliche answer to ministry fruitfulness that shouldn't be a cliche * The troubled and difficult history of ACAC and how they began to embrace diversity as a church * How to address racism as a multicultural congregation * How to pastor republicans and democrats in the same church

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * ACAC * Jesus Outside the Lines by Scott Sauls

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what’s going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven’t already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Topics Covered: * Why many have a difficult time evaluating worship industry realities * Worship trends in the 2010s * How worship movements dominate a market * Why influential worship movements may not write the best songs * Why small songwriters and movements should feel empowered * Worship songwriting trends in the 2020s * Why songwriting has become more of a "family" endeavor * What we can learn about the rise of Brandon Lake * Why so few women are involved in the top worship songs * The "Billy Graham rule" as it applies to songwriting

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Worship Leader Research * Worship's Mostly Male Power Players: The Rise of the Songwriting Family * @worshipleaderresearch * @marcjolicoeur * @shannan.k.baker

Show Sponsor: This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what’s going on.

As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven’t already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

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Today’s conversation is with historian, author, and activist Dr. Jemar Tisby.

Early in 2025 I decided to read more history. Call it curiosity or wanting more context to our current political moment, I started to devour books about the Civil War and eventually more books about the Civil Rights era. One of those books was The Color of Compromise: The Truth About the American Church’s Complicity in Racism. And to be honest, I was blown away by this book. Mainly because I had never learned this stuff growing up. I’d learned history…but I hadn’t learned this history.

Why does this matter? I believe to my core that if we are unwilling to face and reckon with the darker parts of our history, we will continue to make the same mistakes. A quote that has been attributed to Mark Twain: History may not repeat itself but it does rhyme.

We are living in an incredibly dangerous and polarizing political moment in America. And like Jemary Tisby says in our podcast…what happens in culture is downstream of what happens in the church.

So we’re going to face some hard truths today. Reckon with some hard truths. And come out better on the other side. Jamar is a brilliant scholar and teacher. He’s bold yet gracious. And I’m excited to share this conversation with you today.

As always, thank you for listening. This is David Santistevan and you can reach out to me at any time at david@beyondsundayworship.com

Topics Covered: * Jamar's salvation story in the white evangelical church * What the Mississippi Delta teaches us about American racism * The church's complicity in racism throughout history * Doug Wilson and the spread of racist ideology * The unique atrocity of American race-based, chattel slavery * Why leftist, Marxist, DEI deflections are lazy and don't make sense * Racial bias in the Christian Music industry * US churches who are speaking out about racial injustice and justice work

Resources Mentioned * Jemar Tisby Substack * The Color of Compromise: The Truth About The American Church's Complicity in Racism by Jamar Tisby * The Spirit of Justice: True Stories of Faith, Race, & Resistance by Jamar Tisby

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping inform

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Today’s conversation is returning to our roots at BSW - talking with a worship leader about worship. We’ve been talking to academics and historians - which we will continue to do - but sometimes it feels good to throw it back and have a good ole worship leader conversation. Lizzie Morgan is a gifted young worship leader who grew up in the church and has been singing her whole life. She auditioned for Lauren Daigle, sang with Lauren, and has since been a part of tours with Maverick City, Red Worship, and various other groups.

I loved this conversation because of where it went. If you know me - I get a little bored with just talking about worship songwriting and worship records. Sorry, I just do…but this conversation went somewhere I didn’t anticipate - talki ng about how different generations have viewed church and worship and what we can learn from that. What did previous generations do well? What regrets do they have? What previous generations have passed down…does the next generation even want it? We also talk about building setlist, flow, reimagining how we do worship, as well as Lizzie’s new record Not My Will.

Topics Covered: * Lizzie's upbringing in the United Pentecostal Church * An audition that changed Lizzie's life * What Lizzie learned about worship from her family growing up * The difference between generations and the tensions of walking with charismatic gifts * Why singing only select songs from a few movements is hurting us * How to build creative setlist * Why Lizzie decided to do a live worship record * Why saying yes to God's will is so difficult

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Not My Will by Lizzie Morgan * Lizzie Morgan

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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As a young worship leader, I used to ask myself the question: “Why is worship such a big deal?” Not in the sense of “God isn’t worthy of it…” but I realized there were no worship leaders in the Bible. Lots of singing. And our church gatherings are built around worship. And there’s a worship industry. And a constant stream of songs and songwriters. It’s a big deal in our modern church culture.

I consoled myself with the thought that God is worthy of it. We sing so much because he’s worthy. We write so many songs because he’s worthy. We have so many services because he’s worthy.

And while that might not be wrong… has our emphasis on worship led us to an imbalance in our gatherings? Has our emphasis on worship being all about God, led us to neglect the very real horizontal aspects of ministry and discipleship?

I wanted to talk about it. My guest today is Dr. Tom Wadsorth, New Testament scholar whose doctoral dissertation was why the first century church did not use worship language when it described its gathering.

I know that is controversial. This is a worship podcast. You may be a worship leader. You may be a songwriter who resources the church with new songs.

We’re not talking about removing worship and singing from the church. That would be an obvious Biblical misinterpretation. What we are looking at is how did the first century church view its gathering and what can we learn from it today?

Because I don’t know about you - it’s possible to worship, listen to sermons, and give in the offering for a lifetime and not mature in my faith. Our churches are full… and growing numerically…but are people maturing in their faith?

What would it look like for us to reimagine our gatherings?

This is controversial. You may disagree some. But I think it’s a healthy theme for us to wrestle with.

Topics Covered: * What constituted the gathering of first century Christians * Why worship language would be foreign to the first century church * When the shift happened in church history from edification to worship * Power and control dynamics throughout church history * Why preaching is not a New Testament concept * How to balance mega and small church

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Tom Wadsworth * 7 Part Series on The Christian Assembly

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and

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Topics Covered: * C. Peter Wagner and the alliance between church growth and charismatic theology * The New Apostolic Reformation and why it's important we understand it * A definition of Dominion Theology * The Seven Mountain Mandate and how popular this ideology is * Why not all charismatic/pentecostal movements and theology are dangerous * Paula White and the prosperity Gospel * The proper context of Mathew 11:12 * The problem with partnering American politics with Christian extremism * How we got to where we are today with "apostles" and "prophets" * Why charismatic Christianity is so fixated on revival * Che Ahn and his network's merging with the American Militia movement * The story of Donald Trump and the Christians instrumental in his rise to power * The Sean Feucht saga and what we can learn from it

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * The Violent Take it By Force: The Christian Movement That is Threatening Our Democracy by Matthew D. Taylor * Matthew D. Taylor Substack

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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On July 25, 2025 Isaac Caree released a podcast interview with Norman Gyamfi. Norman is a music industry executive and part owner of Maverick City Music. Suffice it to say, this conversation created a firestorm of controversy and conversation around Gospel Music, CCM, and the racial tension embedded within the music industry. We know these things are going on, but for maybe the first time - a business executive let it ALL out.

Being that Beyond Sunday is a podcast about worship and the church, I wanted to talk about it so I decided to invite Rick Robinson, a Gospel Music vet onto the show to break down what Norman said and why it is so problematic.

One of the things Rick says in the interview is: “Gospel music is a sound. Gospel music is a culture.” And while it’s ok to reinvent and innovate, the beauty of Gospel music does not need toned down or whitewashed in order to succeed. If we do that, we lose the heart and soul of what makes Gospel music what it is.

Topics Covered: * The history of Gospel Music in Chicago * The important difference between ministry and industry * The difference between the sacred music of Gospel and the business of Gospel Music * The difference between the members of Maverick City and the brand of Maverick City * How Norman let us see behind the curtain of industry * Why Norman admitting he was a Trump supporter didn't bolster his argument * The problem with anti-black rhetoric, especially coming from a black man * Why worship should be its own award category * Why artists need to first and foremost be authentic * Confronting the racial tensions in the music industry * Why black artists are constantly pitched songs by white songwriters but white artists rarely do songs from black artists

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Rick Robinson * Otis Blackwell/David Letterman Interview * Yacht Rock: A Documentary

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Topics Covered: * Growing up and learning music in the black church * Leading multigenerational worship * The crazy story of how John was "discovered" * Overcoming insecurity and fear * The purpose and privilege of corporate worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Jon Reddick * No Fear by Jon Reddick

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seein

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Topics Covered: * The story of how Word of Life Church lost 1500 people * Why America is a rival religion to Christianity * Why America is more akin to Babylon than ancient Israel * How the charismatic movement went awry * Why charismatic worship is so aligned with DT and Christian nationalism * Why music, literature, and films are important to Brian * How Brian uses music to write sermons * Brian's reading habits * Why Brian is reading the KJV right now * Why reading fiction is so important to preaching and theology

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Brian Zahnd * instagram.com/brianzahnd * Postcards from Babylon: The Church in American Exile by Brian Zahnd * Radical Forgiveness by Brian Zahnd (the book Brian refused to be interviewed on the Paula White show with) * Water to Wine: Some of My Story by Brian Zahnd (a great overview of Brian's church story) * Septology by Jon Fosse

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and kee

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Topics Covered: * How Dustin got involved in worship ministry * The challenge with young artists and worship leaders who taste success early * Why the CCM system is broken * Practical ways to reform the Christian music industry * How we set up young worship leaders for failure * New Sanctus Real music

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Sanctus Real * You Are I Am by Sanctus Real

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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One my favorite books this year was Be The Bridge: Pursuing God’s Heart for Racial Reconciliation by Latasha Morrison. A wonderful book that is challenging but also compassionate and full of grace.

We’ve waded into conversations like this recently with Nikki Lerner, Darwin Hobbs, and David Gate.

Why are we doing this? Because I truly believe it matters. It matters for our souls, our relationships, our churches, and our nation. We can bury our heads in the sand and pretend like it’s not an issue or we can move closer to one another be the bridge in this work of reconciliation.

Latasha founded Be the Bridge in 2016 to encourage racial reconciliation among all ethnicities, to promote racial unity in America, and to equip others to do the same.

In this conversation we go pretty deep. We talk about Latasha’s ministry work, being hired in both black and white churches, brown faces in white spaces (another one of Latasha’s books), the challenge with being a multicultural church today, the church’s complicity in racism throughout history, why facing the darkest parts of our history matters, music and racial bias, and so much more.

Topics Covered: * Latasha's church staff experience in black and white churches * The courage it takes to pursue multicultural ministry * Why multicultural churches are the healthy, growing churches of the future * Power dynamics in race relations * The differences between white leaders of multicultural churches and black leaders of multicultural churches * The church's complicity in racism and why ignoring it is not "unity" * Facing the darkest parts of our history with courage * Music and racial bias

Resources: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Be The Bridge by Latasha Morrison * Brown Faces White Spaces by Latasha Morrison * Be The Bridge (Latasha's organization) * David Gate Interview - Two White Guys Talking about The Black Church, Black Music, & Black Liberation

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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So we talk a lot about the worship industry on this podcast. Sometimes that conversation can result in a let’s just wine and complain about how awful it is.

But my guests today are not content with that sort of negativity! It will not be tolerated!

But here’s the reality: The music industry is built on financial inequality and the worship industry is no different. Those at the top often make a killing, while many musicians and artists struggle to survive. I sat down with @cmcclarney & @thejessephillips from @realfunrecords to talk about it. We’re pulling back the worship industry curtain just a bit to imagine a better way. Well, they are imagining a better way.

Many professional musicians you know and love from hit records have no stake in the songs they play on. They essentially get a day rate of $100-$200. Artists have so much money they need to pay back that it’s not sustainable for creativity or a career. Chris & Jesse are forging a new path in a space steeped in “but we’ve always done it this way”.

Topics Covered: * The money problem with the music industry * Artist empowerment and what it means * Equitable and fair partnerships with musicians * Why you should think about writing your own songs * The impact of streaming

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Real Fun Records * Martin Smith Interview

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-

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Today’s conversation is a bit of a departure from our usual worship leader/worship industry conversation. I’m talking with Stanley Hauerwas.

Here’s his bio:

Stanley Hauerwas, a theologian and Christian ethicist, is professor emeritus of theological ethics and of law at Duke University. He is the author or editor of more than fifty books, including Resident Aliens: Life in the Christian Colony (1989), which he co-authored with William H. Willimon. His lower-middle-class upbringing informed his later approach to theological and ethical questions (at one point, he was apprenticed to his father, a bricklayer). In 2001, Time magazine named Hauerwas “America’s Best Theologian”; he replied that “best” is not a theological category.

Stanley will turn 85 this year.

I’m new to Stanley’s work but absolutely devoured his new book Jesus Changes Everything as well as his landmark work, Resident Aliens. I find his thinking incredibly helpful in navigating our current times. He don’ts pull any punches or hide behind any veneer of religiosity.

Topics Covered: * Stanley's love of travel and baseball * How Stanley came to faith in Christ * The influence of Karl Barth * How Stanley "got saved" * The similarities between evangelicalism and protestant liberalism * How Christian "experience" gets us off track * How Jesus changes everything * How evangelicalism can recapture a more robust faith

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Jesus Changes Everything: A New World Made Possible by Stanley Hauerwas * Resident Aliens: Life in the Christian Colony by Stanley Hauerwas * Lives of the Saints by Fr. Alban Butler * Dogmatics in Outline by Karl Barth * God Matters by Herbert McCabe * Friendship and Ways to Truth by David Burrell * Naming God: Addressing the Divine in Philosophy, Theology, and Scripture by Janet Soskice

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * We talk about how we can glean insights from various church traditions * Why creeds are important * Why the church’s reputation is suffering in America today * How lead pastors and worship leaders can understand each other better * What to look for in hiring a worship pastor. So let’s get right to my conversation with Glenn Packiam.

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * What's a Christian Anyway: Finding Our Way in an Age of Confusion and Corruption by Glenn Packiam * What's a Christian Anyway website * No Rules Rules: Netflix and the Culture of Innovation by Reed Hastings & Erin Meyer * Steps: A Guide to Transforming Your Life When Willpower Isn't Enough by John Ortberg

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Today’s topic and subject matter is a tough one. I’m talking with my friend David Gate. David is a writer and poet. He has a new book releasing in 2025 called A Rebellion of Care. But David also has a long history as a worship leader, songwriter, and artist.

David wrote an article recently in response to the new Ryan Coogler move Sinners, starring Michael B Jordan. The title of that article was “How White Charismatic Worship Stole from the Black Church: The Vampires who steal stories and songs and culture.” I know. It’s a bold, often cutting article. And while I don’t agree with everything he says, I believe he gets to the heart of a tension that many feel.

As with most of American culture throughout history, we have not given due credit to the black church. To black music. Black innovation. We have borrowed (or as David would say - stolen) from black culture and profited wildly off of its innovation and yet have not cared about black liberation in the white charismatic church. Which is the heart of what this conversation is about.

Topics Covered: * A breakdown of the movie "Sinners" * The theft of black music and culture * The beauty and story of the Black Church * Performance in Black vs White contexts * Becoming aware the causes of black liberation * The influence of the blues on white rock & roll

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * David Gate Poet * instagram.com/davidgatepoet * A Rebellion of Care by David Gate (preorder)

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Today’s conversation is with my friend Andy Cherry. Andy is a Worship Leader, former Worship Pastor, Songwriter with Capitol CMG, and touring bandmate with Brandon Lake.

Andy is mega talented and a thoughtful voice on the tensions of worship and industry. As a professional songwriter, he’s someone whose livelihood is connected to the worship industry. We have a great chat about excellence culture in the church. Has it gone too far? Why it’s uncomfortable to combine the words “worship” and “industry”. Why we need to expand the kinds of leaders we hire into Worship Pastor roles. At the heart of it all is a love for Jesus, a passion for His presence, and a desire to serve the people of God through honest art and biblical faithfulness.

Topics Covered: * Early influential records * The problem with our performance culture in church * Separating concert from church * Why we need to write about more topics * Andy's songwriting & creative process

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Andy Cherry * instagram.com/andycherry

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Today’s conversation is with Dr. Lester Ruth, a research professor of Christian Worship at Duke Divinity School. If you go back in the archives you’ll see I interviewed Lester and Swee Hong Lim around the time they released their book A History of Contemporary Praise & Worship. Lester is a worship historian. The subject of this interview is about Christian Nationalism and Worship, a new course that Lester has been teaching.

I wanted to interview Lester about this because I believe it has so much relevance to our current political climate, the church, and our worship practices. Now…I know anything political tends to bring out some tensions. And this may cause some frustration for you. But the goal here is not to be partisan or take sides. We’re merely looking at the history of Christian nationalism today and even around the world. We talk about the three strands of Christian nationalism in the US today. We talk about the intersection of worship and christian nationalism and how that influences the kinds of songs we sing. We also talk about how we can have healthier dialogue together, no matter our political differences. We even end the podcast with some Civil War history and Lester’s reading habits/suggestions.

Topics Covered: * The 3 Strands of Christian Nationalism in the United States today * The global nature of religions nationalism * How worship can be co-opted by Christian nationalism * The surprising religious beliefs of our nation's founders * Civil War history and how it relates to Christian Nationalism * Worship Industry tensions

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Beatitudes Through The Ages by Rebekah Eklund * The Violent Take it By Force: The Christian Movement That Is Threatening Our Democracy by Matthew D. Taylor * The Demon of Unrest: A Saga of Hubris, Heartbreak, & Heroism at the Dawn of the Civil War by Erik Larson * And There Was Light: Abraham Lincoln and the American Struggle by Jon Meacham * Lincoln at Gettysburg: The Words that Remade America by Garry Wills * April 1865: The Month that Saved America (Civil War Sagas) by Jay Winik * Upon the Altar of a Nation: A Moral History of the Civil War by Harry Stout

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Today’s conversation is with Andrew Osenga. Andrew is an artist, songwriter, producer, musician, and author. He used to do A&R with Integrity Music. Used to have a band called The Normals. Was a part of Caedmon’s Call. Has a host of solo records and albums. He’s a very thoughtful voice in this space of worship and spiritual formation. He leads a project called Anchor Hymns. This was a deep, far ranging conversation.

Topics Covered: * Why we didn't need to be sheltered from all thing secular * How radio and Christian product has influenced our worship songwriting * How fundamentalism warped our view of hymns * Local church songwriting * Why we need to write worship songs about more diverse topics

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Andrew Osenga * Anchor Hymns

Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Today’s conversation is an interesting juxtaposition to last week’s podcast with Jason Houtsma. Jason leads worship in a church of less than 100 people. Today’s guest - Jordan Howerton - is the Worship Pastor for one of the largest churches in the country - Christ’s Church of the Valley in Phoenix, AZ.

If you’ve listened to the my podcast for a while, you’ll know I don’t believe bigger is better. There is beauty in small. There is dignity in serving and pastoring a small church with incremental or slow growth year after year. But for today, I want us to dive into the mega church dynamic.

  • What does it take to lead a staff of 70 people in worship and production?
  • How can you care for and pastor hundreds of volunteers?
  • How do you develop a unified worship culture across 18 campuses?
  • We dive into all of that here. My conversation with Jordan Howerton

Topics Covered: * Growing up in a small church + small church dynamics * The challenge of being a worship leader today * Why we need to make local church ministry great again * Why God is moving in mega churches * Dysfunction in both small and large churches * Discipleship for your worship team * What resources CCV uses to support their worship teams * Why CCV doesn't provide chord charts to their teams

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies (use promo code BEYOND2025) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * CCV Music

Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies.

One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into full time ministry out of college or ministry school. While practical ministry experience is necessary, it is often incomplete. You need a theological, historical, and biblical framework to sustain a healthy worship ministry today. Otherwise, it becomes a game of chasing fads and maintaining the status quo.

I can’t recommend the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies enough.

IWS offers academically and spiritually rich doctoral and master’s programs in worship studies, designed to transform you as a leader and deepen your connection to God’s purpose for worship. The focus is all about discipling worship leaders to disciple worshipers, which we need more of in the church today. If you’re searching for something truly unique, IWS is the place for you.

Visit IWS.edu and use the code BEYOND2025 for a discount. Now is the time to start your journey toward a more meaningful and impactful worship ministry.

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * Playing actual live music in worship * The small church community * Comparing large church/high production to small church/low production * Why you might NOT want to use clicks and tracks * Taking risks and being creative in worship again

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies (use promo code BEYOND2025) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Worship Artistry * Scars by Jason Houtsma * My Name is Asher Lev by Chaim Potok

Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies.

One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into full time ministry out of college or ministry school. While practical ministry experience is necessary, it is often incomplete. You need a theological, historical, and biblical framework to sustain a healthy worship ministry today. Otherwise, it becomes a game of chasing fads and maintaining the status quo.

I can’t recommend the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies enough.

IWS offers academically and spiritually rich doctoral and master’s programs in worship studies, designed to transform you as a leader and deepen your connection to God’s purpose for worship. The focus is all about discipling worship leaders to disciple worshipers, which we need more of in the church today. If you’re searching for something truly unique, IWS is the place for you.

Visit IWS.edu and use the code BEYOND2025 for a discount. Now is the time to start your journey toward a more meaningful and impactful worship ministry.

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * Coffee snobbery * John's favorite US (and international) coffee shops * How to extend your vocal range * Caring for the person, not the just the gifting * The importance of staying rooted in a local church * The dangers of ego and self centeredness in ministry * Sonship * Time restraints in worship * Structure and flow in worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies (use promo code BEYOND2025) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Dealing With the Rejection and Praise of Man by Bob Sorge * Ego is the Enemy by Ryan Holiday * Deeply Coffee * Lineage Coffee

Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies.

One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into full time ministry out of college or ministry school. While practical ministry experience is necessary, it is often incomplete. You need a theological, historical, and biblical framework to sustain a healthy worship ministry today. Otherwise, it becomes a game of chasing fads and maintaining the status quo.

I can’t recommend the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies enough.

IWS offers academically and spiritually rich doctoral and master’s programs in worship studies, designed to transform you as a leader and deepen your connection to God’s purpose for worship. The focus is all about discipling worship leaders to disciple worshipers, which we need more of in the church today. If you’re searching for something truly unique, IWS is the place for you.

Visit IWS.edu and use the code BEYOND2025 for a discount. Now is the time to start your journey toward a more meaningful and impactful worship ministry.

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Today’s conversation is with Natalie Runion - Natalie is a worship leader, author, speaker, and founder of the online community Raised to Stay. She’s written two books - Raised to Stay and The House that Jesus Built, both powerful, insightful reads into the realities of local church ministry.

In this conversation we talk about worship ministry tensions, aging out of ministry roles, challenges for women in ministry, the idol of green room culture, responding to church hurt, and why our obsession with church growth can get us off track.

Natalie is bold, challenging, and an important voice to the church today.

Topics Covered: * How Natalie discovered this concept of "Raised to Stay" * Worship as a church growth tool * How to approach a full time ministry role * Why our emphasis on leadership is hurting our leadership * The idol of green rooms * The entitlement of worship leaders * Why the conversation around "anointing" needs to change * The tension and struggle of being a female worship pastor

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies (use promo code BEYOND2025) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Raised to Stay (website) * Raised to Stay: Persevering in Ministry When You Have a Million Reasons to Walk Away by Natalie Runion * The House That Jesus Built: Leading Our Churches Back to God's Original Blueprint by Natalie Runion * Instagram.com/raisedtostay

Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies.

One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into full time ministry out of college or ministry school. While practical ministry experience is necessary, it is often incomplete. You need a theological, historical, and biblical framework to sustain a healthy worship ministry today. Otherwise, it becomes a game of chasing fads and maintaining the status quo.

I can’t recommend the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies enough.

IWS offers academically and spiritually rich doctoral and master's programs in worship studies, designed to transform you as a leader and deepen your connection to God's purpose for worship. The focus is all about discipling worship leaders to disciple worshipers, which we need more of in the church today. If you're searching for something truly unique, IWS is the place for you.

Visit IWS.edu and use the code BEYOND2025 for a discount. Now is the time to start your journey toward a more meaningful and impactful worship ministry.

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * Unlearning and deciphering mega church worship models * Why it's not our job to move the room * Trusting the Holy Spirit as a worship leader * How the Church Growth movement has effected the role of worship leaders * Why we have elevated young leaders too soon * An alternative to big, massive, mega church worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Level Up Coaching for Female Creatives w/ Becky Ykema * Becky's website * How Firm a Foundation by Hymns of the People * Pastors, Priests, & Guides - the retreat that Becky is a part of * Slingshot Group - Staffing & Coaching for churches & nonprofits

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free

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Topics Covered: * Why Gospel Music is fringe within the church * Why we need diversity and how to encourage it * Matters of race and racism in the church * Finding your voice and being comfortable in your own skin * Why we don't understand the systemic nature of racism and can't always see it * Darwin's upcoming new Setlist project

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Darwin Hobbs website (Heart Art Worship) * Champion by Darwin Hobbs * Darwn Hobbs Instagram

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Topics Covered: * The story behind David's new studio * The importance of creating in community * The challenges of being a Christian artist in 2025 * What is exciting about worship music today * Challenges with worship music today

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Just Jesus by David Leonard * David Leonard * Gruhn Guitars * Deliver Me From Nowhere: The Making of Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska by Warren Zanes

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Today we welcome Jeff Cochran to the Beyond Sunday Podcast. Jeff is the founder of the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the host of the Church Disrupted podcast. Jeff is a business owner, church consultant, and has spent many years in local church ministry. His insights into spiritual abuse, church systems, and creating healtheir churches is so insightful. These are TOUGH TOPICS but so necessary to talk about so that we not only create GROWING church but also SAFE churches, free of abusive practices. Topics Covered: * The definition of spiritual abuse and how to spot it * Why pastors have a hard time admitting to their faults * Spiritual abuse in small and mega churches * What is especially challenging about mega church culture * Mega church growth systems and what to be aware of * How spiritual abuse finds its way into worship ministry

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Spiritual Abuse Institute * The Safe Church Pledge * Church Disrupted Podcast

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * The Religious Exemption and what it means * How we can use worship as a subtle form of manipulation * The mega church structure and the dangers associated with it * Integrity in church financials * The upcoming Religious Business documentary * Accountability in the church and a robust hope for the future

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * @thereligionbusiness

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * How New Life Fellowship cultivates a multicultural community * How to hold the contemplative and the charismatic together * How to lead congregations with different political views * Why church growth is unhealthy to obsess over * Pastoring people through racial tension * A biblical view of worship ministry

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Rich Villodas * @richvillodas * The Deeply Formed Life by Rich Villodas * Good and Beautiful and Kind by Rich Villodas * The Narrow Path by Rich Villodas

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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"We've made the list of everything that could go wrong. It's time to make the list of everything that could go right." - Nikki Lerner

Topics Covered: * What it's like to leave full time ministry after 20+ years * The challenge of doing ministry when you're paid to do it full time * The importance of creative outlets outside of the church * What to do when you're bored with worship music * Nikki's philosophy of worship * How to become a multicultural church * The difference between multi colored and multicultural * Mono-ethnocentricism and the worship industry

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Nikki Lerner

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Topics Covered: * Malcolm's story of activism in South Africa * Similarities of American culture today with South Africa in the 1970s and 80s. * The spiritual underground and what that means * What it means to be a Kingdom of Priests * Some of the artists who make up Common Hymnal * The problem with becoming comercially viable * The story behind Common Hymnal's new "Be Love" song

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Be Love by Common Hymnal * Common Hymnal * The King Center * Common Hymnal Patreon

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * 5 of the biggest needs facing worship leaders right now * The reality of worship ministry * The difference between artist and worship leader * The gift of obscurity * The tensions of not earning worship artist fame * To use tracks or not to use tracks? * Practical tips for speaking from the stage

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Three Streams Worship - Mike's Ministry

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * Why deconstruction is a prophetic warning to the church * Tommy's deconstruction journey and why he became a Pastor * Why most evangelical churches today lack engagement * The problem with the worship industry and local church worship * Why people are leaving the church * Why the modern mega church looks more like Babylon than Christ * Why worship leaders need to view themselves as liturgists

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Invisible Jesus by Scot McKnight & Tommy Preson Phillips * Tommy's Substack * Preson Phillips Music * Watermark Church - where Tommy pastors

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Kelsey is a brilliant thinker. She is a musicologist and educator based in Iowa, holding a PhD from the University of Iowa.

Currently, Kelsey is a regular contributor to Christianity Today, writing and reporting on worship and church culture. She is also an adjunct professor at Grand View University in Des Moines, where she teaches on music and social justice.

As as a graduate student and adjunct faculty member at the University of Iowa, she taught a variety of courses on music history, social justice and the arts, and human rights. She served on the staff of the University of Iowa Center for Human Rights from 2010-2019, where she was the academic advisor for undergraduate students pursuing a Certificate in Human Rights.

Kelsey's dissertation research explored the use of American music in the reeducation of German POWs during WWII. Other areas of expertise include contemporary sacred music in the United States, 19th century choral music, Evangelical subcultures, human rights and the arts, and the intersection of art and ecotheology. She is an active presenter at academic conferences and accepts invitations for guest lectures and workshops on her research and on human rights education in higher ed.

Topics Covered: * More about Kelsey and her journey into musicology and journalism * Our over-dependence on tools in worship ministry * Why having conversations with our congregation is important * Why we think all worship music sounds the same * The complications of Christian celebrity and worship music * Facing the music of money and profits in the worship industry

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * @kelseykmcginnis * Kelsey's Website

Topics Covered: * The changes in Christian music from the 90s to now * The worship music boom of the early 2000s and * The story behind Third Day’s Offering worship record in 2000 * Why leading worship in a local church is harder than leading a worship concert * The importance of self care for artists and worship leaders * What the transition from band to solo artist has been like for Mac

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * I Love Jesus by Mac Powell

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Topics Covered: * The changes in Christian music from the 90s to now * The worship music boom of the early 2000s and * The story behind Third Day's Offering worship record in 2000 * Why leading worship in a local church is harder than leading a worship concert * The importance of self care for artists and worship leaders * What the transition from band to solo artist has been like for Mac

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * I Love Jesus by Mac Powell

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * How Aodhan got connected to Hillsong * The beginning of Young & Free * The growth and struggle with popularity and touring * The writing of new music * God centered worship songs

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Beyond Us by Aodhan King

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Topics Covered:* What if felt like to make music in the early days of Delirious * Why Martin moves in spontaneous/prophetic worship * Why worship music less bold and creative today * Why joy and celebration are needed in worship today * Mega Church reform * The Rockstar Worship Leader pandemic * What it’s like having Stu G on the new record * Stories behind songs on the new record, Joy

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Joy by Martin Smith

Show Sponsor:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #337: Martin Smith on The Future of Worship Music, Local Church Tensions, & Songs of Joy appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered: * What if felt like to make music in the early days of Delirious * Why Martin moves in spontaneous/prophetic worship * Why worship music less bold and creative today * Why joy and celebration are needed in worship today * Mega Church reform * The Rockstar Worship Leader pandemic * What it's like having Stu G on the new record * Stories behind songs on the new record, Joy

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Joy by Martin Smith

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * Critical thinking over a critical spirit * Sam's church story of leading worship in various denominations * The importance of childlike faith * How to avoid the trap of copying the songs and styles of a few movements * Finding your own voice * Worship industry problems * Singing God-centered songs * Stadium worship tours and worship nights

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * The Death of Death by Sam McCabe

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * How Andrew got connected to The Belonging * What it's like to be the worship pastor at a church with so much talent * Building a healthy volunteer culture * God-centered worship songs * Why you shouldn't do too much ministry on your own * How The Belonging Co runs their click & tracks * The founding of Out With the Old

Resources Mentioned: * Son of Man by The Belonging Co * The Belonging Co * Out With the Old (Andrew's clothing company he co-founded)

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * Why emotional manipulation in music is normal and not the real problem * The problem with our language around "anointing" * Money making and the worship industry - is this a problem? * Humanizing the conversation around worship and the worship industry

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Elias Dummer * @eliasdummer * Worship Leader Research

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered:* Charlie’s theological journey * Being an autodidact (self learner) and what they meant for Charlie’s career * The genetics of music and what Charlie learned from the musicianship of his Father * The magic of songwriting * Why writer’s block is a myth * Why the worship industry carries potential for problems * The potential problem with celebrity worship leaders * Why we should stop evaluating success by “what’s working.” * How Charlie discovered Switchfoot and his favorite song he produced (48:00)

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Every Kind of Uh Oh by Charlie Peacock * Why Everything that Doesn’t Matter, Matters So Much by Charlie Peacock & Andi Ashworth

Show Sponsor:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #333: Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered: * Marriage advice * How Andy developed his skill as a writer * Why celebrity-driven worship is becoming exhuasting * The idol of excellence * Progress on Andy's upcoming new record

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Andy Squyres * Poet Priest by Andy Squyres * Death Defying Joy by Andy Squyres * @andysquyres * City in the Trees by Micah Dalton

Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * How our union with Christ affects Sunday worship * The rise of liturgy and what it means for churches * Reflections on writing Worship Matters (16 years ago!) * Creating a technical grid for our Sunday production * Top competencies/qualities of an effective Worship Pastor

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Knowing God by Sovereign Grace Music * Knowing God by J.I. Packer * Engaging With God: A Biblical Theology of Worship by David Peterson * Worship: Adoration & Action by DA Carson * Music Through the Eyes of Faith by Harold Best

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered:* What God’s will is for you * The difference between the will of God and the call of God * How to discern the call of God on your life * How do deal with fame * The problem with altar calls * Why the term “Worship Leader” is inadequate

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Tenth Avenue North

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #330: Mike Donehey on God’s Will vs God’s Call, Worship Leading, Altar Calls, & The Return of Tenth Avenue North appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered: * How Alexandra got started in worship ministry * What it's like being the daughter of Joel Osteen * How Lakewood approaches Sunday morning * Why Lakewood uses a hymn every Sunday * Stories behind the new album, Oh How Worthy

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Oh How Worthy by Lakewood Music

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered:* LOTR fandom * What needs to change in local church worship * Dealing with disappointment * Hebrew words for praise * What it takes to be a strong MD * The value of spontaneous worship and how to read the room

Resources Mentioned* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * All to Bless You by Kory Miller

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #328: Kory Miller on Pursuing His Presence, Leading Spontaneous Worship, & God Centered Gatherings appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered: * LOTR fandom * What needs to change in local church worship * Dealing with disappointment * Hebrew words for praise * What it takes to be a strong MD * The value of spontaneous worship and how to read the room

Resources Mentioned * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * All to Bless You by Kory Miller

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered:* Dr. Cherry’s call into ministry * Full time worship ministry in the 70s and 80s * The us vs them/either/or mentality of worship ministry still prevalent * A call to return to Christ centered worship * The story behind the book The Worship Architect

Resources Mentioned:* Lester Ruth & Lim Swee Hong Lim on The History of Contemporary Praise & Worship * The Worship Architect by Constance Cherry * Worship, Community, & The Triune God of Grace by James Torrance * The God We Worship: An Exploration of Liturgical Theology by Nicholas Wolterstorff * Ancient Future Worship by Robert Webber

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #327: Dr. Constance Cherry on Worship Ministry Over the Decades, The Worship Architect, & A Call to Christ-Centered Worship appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered: * Dr. Cherry's call into ministry * Full time worship ministry in the 70s and 80s * The us vs them/either/or mentality of worship ministry still prevalent * A call to return to Christ centered worship * The story behind the book The Worship Architect

Resources Mentioned: * Lester Ruth & Lim Swee Hong Lim on The History of Contemporary Praise & Worship * The Worship Architect by Constance Cherry * Worship, Community, & The Triune God of Grace by James Torrance * The God We Worship: An Exploration of Liturgical Theology by Nicholas Wolterstorff * Ancient Future Worship by Robert Webber

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Topics Covered:* Emotional health in ministry * David’s journey into ministry * The importance of theology for worship leaders * Worship as discipleship * The role of our physical bodies in worship * Trinitarian worship

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * W. David O. Taylor * Open & Unafraid: The Psalms as a Guide to Life by W. David O. Taylor * Glimpses of the New Creation: Worship & the Formative Power of the Arts by W. David O. Taylor * A Body of Praise: Understanding the Role of Our Physical Bodies in Worship by W. David O. Taylor * The Worship Pastor by Zac Hicks * Flow: The Ancient Way to Do Contemporary Worship by Lester Ruth * The Biblical Psalms in Christian Worship by John Witvliet * Worship Seeking Understanding by John Witvliet

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #326: W. David O. Taylor on Theology for Worship Leaders, Emotional Health, & Worship as Discipleship appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered:* The creative genius of the movie Hook * Sean’s secret claim to fame (he was a professional yo-yo’er) * Creativity and worship music * Why millennials are fleeing hyped church experiences * Anointing vs charisma * Basic Faith * Stories beyond Sean’s upcoming new record

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Basic Faith by Sean Curran * Sean Curran Music

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #325: Sean Curran on Worship Music, Christian Celebrity Culture, & Creativity appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered: * The creative genius of the movie Hook * Sean's secret claim to fame (he was a professional yo-yo'er) * Creativity and worship music * Why millennials are fleeing hyped church experiences * Anointing vs charisma * Basic Faith * Stories beyond Sean's upcoming new record

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Basic Faith by Sean Curran * Sean Curran Music

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered:* Thoughts about what God is doing in worship today * What God is doing in this next generation of worship leaders * How to prepare yourself and your team to lead engaging worship * Why it’s important to be unified with your senior pastor * Breaking down the SEU worship record * Why cool, trendy worship music isn’t working anymore

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Move of God by SEU Worship * Guard the Glory by David Ryan Cook

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #324: David Ryan Cook on Raising Up Young Worship Leaders, Presence Driven Worship, & New Music appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered: * Thoughts about what God is doing in worship today * What God is doing in this next generation of worship leaders * How to prepare yourself and your team to lead engaging worship * Why it's important to be unified with your senior pastor * Breaking down the SEU worship record * Why cool, trendy worship music isn't working anymore

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Move of God by SEU Worship * Guard the Glory by David Ryan Cook

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * Rich & Cass's current interests outside of ministry * How they got started in ministry * A vision for creativity in the Church * How to work with artists effectively * Why the artist/creative temperament isn't accurate * Songwriting pitfalls in the church * Why we need to stop idolizing songwriters

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * The Local Church Sydney * The Hopeful Rhino

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered:* Charlie’s transition from artist to worship pastor * Early Passion days * Leading worship when you don’t feel worthy * The 4 categories of worship * What prophetic worship is * The 4 Types of Song to sing on Sunday * Reminiscing old Passion and Charlie Hall records

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Frontline Music * Better is One Day by Passion * The Road to OneDay by Passion * OneDay Live by Passion * Hymns Ancient & Modern by Passion * The Bright Sadness by Charlie Hall * Porch & Altar by Charlie Hall * Podcast: #255: Charlie Hall on Worship, Spiritual Disciplines, & Disciple Making

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #322: Charlie Hall on Developing Young Leaders, Leading Authentic Worship, & Building a Balanced Worship Set appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered:* Brian’s upcoming new project of love songs * Consistency in songwriting * Growing in creativity later in life * Reflecting on the 90s Vineyard movement * How to lead young creatives * Developing songwriters * Why local churches should write their own songs

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Unlocking Your Songs by Brian Doerksen * Hymns for Life by Brian Doerksen * Brian Doerksen website

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #321: Brian Doerksen on The Creative Process, Local Church Songwriting, & Early Vineyard Music Stories appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered:* Kim’s journey to become a worship leader * The truth about calling * Why our internal world needs to be cultivated * Influential leaders * The story behind the song, “Mama”

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Trample by Kim Walker Smith * Worship Circle

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #320: Kim Walker-Smith On The Worship Industry, Our Inner Life, & Protecting Our Children’s Innocence appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered:* How Skye got involved with music * Early influences * Dealing with pain and disappointment * What Skye learned about worship from Michael W Smith * How to develop authenticity as a worship leader * The power of mentorship * Growing in confidence * Skye’s new music

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Your Church by Skye Reedy * Skye Reedy

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #319: Skye Reedy on Difficult Seasons, The Healing Power of God, & New Music appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered:* How Jon got started as a songwriter * The difference between a gesture and a posture in songwriting * Monday morning prayer music * Why our Sunday morning worship needs to tell a more honest story * Comparing the writing of hymns and modern songs * Devotional Songwriting Masterclass

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Devotional Songwriting Masterclass by Jon Guerra * Jon Guerra Music * Three Gifts by Jon Guerra & Liturgical Folk

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #318: Jon Guerra on Devotional Songwriting, Sunday & Monday Worship, & Spiritual Formation appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * The Exile by Crowder

Topics Covered: * A day in the life of Crowder * The surprising power of mundane moments * Using song titles as a springboard for songwriting * The Crowder album trilogies * CCM and Worship Music categories * The corporate nature of vertical and horizontal songs * The story behind writing O Praise Him

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Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

Topics Covered:* Lord of the Rings, A Thief in the Night, Stranger Things references * The influence of J.I. Packer and John Piper * Matt’s call to ministry and his early days of ministry challenges * Why Matt wrote a book on the book of Revelation * What God is calling the body of Christ to * 666 and what the mark of the beast is * A primer on hermeneutics * Why we sing and the power of Negro spirituals * The creative process

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * The Overcomes: God’s Vision For You to Thrive in an Age of Anxiety and Outrage by Matt Chandler * Book Website

The post #316: Matt Chandler on God’s Vision For The Church, The Power of Singing, & The Creative Process appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

Topics Covered: * Alexander's previous role as a Creative Pastor at Hillsong * How to write better melodies * Revival * The writing of "Alive" * The early days of Hillsong Young & Free

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Alexander Pappas * A Great Awakening by Alexander Pappas

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Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

Topics Covered:* Coffee and sourdough * Sarah’s story of becoming a worship leader * Finding Jesus in all kinds of music * Songwriting process * The beauty of co-writing * What it was like writing with Leland and Matt Maher * Struggling with faith, doubt, & dry seasons

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Sarah Kroger * Pre-Save Sarah’s new album * The Night is Normal: A Guide Through Spiritual Pain by Alicia Britt Chole * Sarah’s Instagram: @skroger

The post #314: Sarah Kroger on Brutal Honesty, Wrestling With Doubt, & Songs of Hope appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

Topics Covered: * The building blocks of a healthy church culture * Valuing character and heart over skill * Humility and teachability as a leader * Staying desperate for Jesus * How to deal with fear as a young worship leader/musician * The power of alternate venues for worship leader development

Resources Mentioned: * Beyond Sunday Backstage * Planning Center

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Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

Topics Covered:* Leading worship now compared to the early 90s * Stories behind the creation of Winds of Worship 12 and Hungry from Vineyard UK * What makes a worship song effective * How to write effective fast songs

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center

The post #312: Brenton Brown on Leading Worship in the 90s, Writing Worship Songs, & Early Vineyard UK Stories appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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Topics Covered:* John’s conversion to Christ * The early days of CCM * The surprising pattern of John’s bestselling records in the 70s/80s * The spiritual gift of speaking tongues * Why the church needs to differentiate itself with its music * The dangers of emotionalism

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * John Michael Talbot * Late Have I Loved You book by John Michael Talbot * Late Have I Loved You music by John Michael Talbot * Exploring the Gifts of the Spirit by John Michael Talbot

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community)The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2:My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * John's conversion to Christ * The early days of CCM * The surprising pattern of John's bestselling records in the 70s/80s * The spiritual gift of speaking tongues * Why the church needs to differentiate itself with its music * The dangers of emotionalism

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * John Michael Talbot * Late Have I Loved You book by John Michael Talbot * Late Have I Loved You music by John Michael Talbot * Exploring the Gifts of the Spirit by John Michael Talbot

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here’s what’s included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

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Topics Covered: * How Brady got started with digital media/communication * Why churches can't ignore social media * Why churches and pastors don't need to be on every platform to succeed with social media * The most surprising social media trend of 2024 * The "No Weeks Off" social media strategy * The social ministry mountain and what it means for your church * When churches should use paid ads * The 3 C's of creating content for social media

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Beyond Sunday Backstage - community worship leader coaching * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Pro Church Tools * Social Sermons * Nucleus

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now!

Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader.

For $49/month, here's what's included:

  • Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance...make it work for you)
  • Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests).
  • Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast
  • Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses).
  • Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks
  • Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders
  • Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community
  • Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time.

No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you're going to love it. Join us backstage!

Show Sponsor My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * How Ron became a Worship Leader/Pastor * The early days of Integrity Music * How to flow in the Spirit * The authority of the Senior Pastor

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Lift Him Up by Ron Kenoly * Ron Kenoly Ministries

Show Sponsor My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Topics Covered: * Darren's journey into music (he didn't sing until he was 27 years old). * Having a heart for the outsiders * Why touring is important for artists * The power of rock & roll * Production stories behind the new We Are Messengers record

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * We Are Messengers

Show Sponsor My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

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Show Sponsor My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

What You'll Learn: * The challenge of church planting * A former Worship Pastor's turned Lead Pastor perspective on worship * What liturgical churches can learn from charismatic churches * What charismatic churches can learn from liturgical churches * The power of worship team devos

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * The Worship Pastor by Zac Hicks * Before We Gather by Zac Hicks * Hymnary.org

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Why Worship Leaders With Less Talent Can Still Be Amazing Worship Leaders

What I heard that particular day in 2008 would stick with me forever. It would ruminate in my head over and over and still does to this day.

I was just out of college. Excited for the future. Big dreams. I had decided early on in my college career that I was going to pursue worship ministry. I had wrestled with the idea of being pastor or being a worship leader. After much deliberation, I settled on worship.

I had a leader after I came out of college who said to me these words:

"David, if you had a better voice. You would be unstoppable."

Pain. Confusion. Dashed dreams. That hurt. And to be honest with you, it's something that has stuck with me for a lot of years where. I've thought a lot about this. I get where this leader was coming from - they were validating my skills as a musician, as a leader, while also telling me that my voice just wasn't very good. And so I've always wrestled with that sort of inadequacy, that insecurity.

Maybe if I did just have a better voice, then I would be a better worship leader.

God, why didn't you give me a different voice?

That's a very unproductive question. Because God makes no mistakes when he creates you, when he creates me. Maybe you are in a similar position. You feel your insecurities, your inadequacies. But what if you could use those to your advantage?

Maybe you had a parent, teacher, or a leader in some way that made you see and feel those insecurities front and center.

  • Weak voice?
  • Not much talent?
  • Unskilled musician?
  • Introverted?
  • Too young?
  • Too old?

Guess what? It doesn't matter as much as you think. In a worship context you can actually use your weaknesses to an advantage with a shift in your thinking.

Is Talent a Problem? I hope you're not taking me as someone who thinks talented people are divas and inauthentic. Or that talent is somehow a weakness. I know many hundreds of incredibly talented worship leaders. When I hear them sing, they light up a room. But also they're humble, authentic, love Jesus, and they pursue Him.

But I do know that there are thousands upon thousands of worship leaders that are being held back because of what someone has spoken over you or something that you believe about yourself.

Remember this: Worship has less to do with what happens on stage and more about what is happening in the room. Your job as a worship leader is to help people sing.

It's not so much about finding your voice as much as it is helping the bride of Christ find hers.

The Most Important Question Here's the most important question that you can ask in preparation for Sunday: Who's in the room and how do we connect with them?

If all your energy is spent you your plans, your singing, your playing, and you, you, you - you've missed the point. You need to understand your people.

  • Who are they?
  • How old are they (generally)?
  • What do they know about Jesus?
  • How long have they been in church?
  • What music do they love?
  • What songs connect?

The more you know - and the more you take the time to listen - the better worship leader you will be.

Is Talent the Most Important Thing?

I serve churches with staffing with a great organization called Slingshot. There's an interesting trend we've noticed as we help churches find worship leaders - most churches are looking for the top 5-10% of talent.

I get it. You want to hire top talent. And especially when it comes to worship ministry, you want to have a worship leader and a worship team that has the wow factor - gifted, talented, hard working. Talent attracts talent. I totally get that. The problem is that the Church of 500 and the Church of 5,000 are looking for the same person.

But the reality is that there are a whole host of worship leaders who are less talented and getting overlooked. But so many of these worship leaders know how to engage a room - and that is the most important skill.

Again, worship is less about what happens on stage and more about what happens in the room. My friend Bob Sorge says it like this: "I would rather see a forest fire in the congregation than a bonfire on stage." There are many of churches who are lighting it up, figuratively and literally. The lights, the haze, the band. The amazing songs, the energy, the stage presence, the passion, the talent, the songwriting, the records. I'm not minimizing or downplaying any of it, but you can have all of those things and have a congregation that is dead and disconnected.

The Best in the Room Just because you're the worship pastor doesn't mean that you have to be the best in the room. You're actually more valuable when you can lead people who are better than you.

Lead others - empower them, lead them, invest in them. You actually bring more value to your church and to your organization when you are a developer and a disciple-maker than you are just being talented on stage.

Even in large churches. I am one of them. Develop your relational relatable skills, connect, connect, connect. So you worship leading is about building trust, right? If you [00:13:00] trust someone, you're going to follow them.

Lead with sensitivity. Build trust with people. Sing as much as you need and then back off the mic. Get out of the way. Empower your congregation to be the loudest sound in the room.

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pics Covered: * Both of our favorite hikes around the world * Classical training vs Improv * How to become a great jazz musician * Mike's favorite pianos, keyboards, & software instruments * The mystery of the Nord * How to develop your unique sound * Lyric writing vs writing music * Diving into the Psalms

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Mike Janzen Music * Songs from the Canyon by Mike Janzen * Spitfire Audio Soft Piano

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * Reminiscing the 90s * The song of the 90s * Chad's top 5 90s worship records * Guitar solos * What the 90s taught us about leading worship * Lessons from the Brownsville Revival

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * 90s Worship Night

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * Songwriting approach * Songwriters Pat looks up to * Production style * The power of live music * The practicalities of spontaneous worship * Songwriting out of spontaneity

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Shelter by Pat Barrett

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics: * The most expensive coffee in the world * Coffee methods * How The Afters got started * Early influences * Advice to young worship leaders * Planning out your speaking moments * Pastoring your team * How to train your replacement * The story behind "God is With Us" * The importance of a theology of suffering

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * "God is With Us" by The Afters

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[fusebox_track_player] Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Resources Mentioned * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * OnSong

Topics Covered: * The founding of OnSong * How to build a company * Why OnSong decided to initially create a paid app * What OnSong makes possible for Worship Leaders * When the company had to scale and start to hire employees

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered * Outdated NFL takes * The sad Carolina Panthers season * Creative process for starting a song * The story behind "O Come to the Altar"

Resources Mentioned * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Just Like You've Always Done by Mack Brock

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * The world of Crossfit * The movie/song that launched Chris' music career * Matt Redman's influence * The challenge of writing upbeat, joyful songs * Why worship music is so slow and intense * Creative process * Honesty in Christian music

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Honest by Chris Llewellyn * Rend Collective on Spotify * Gareth Gilkeson (Rend Collective) Interview * Andrew Peterson Interview * Graham Kendrick Interview

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * Best practices for multisite worship * How RR builds community with their worship leaders each week * Defining the kind of worship leaders that are a good fit for your church * Sensing and shifting a room * How to develop young worship leaders * Lessons learned from co-writers * Favorite, most "underrated" song on Ascend

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Ascend by Red Rocks Worship

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * How (and why we need to) expand our worship song topics * Why theology is important for worship leaders * How to reach for great theology and catchy melody * A look at the Worth Conference in October 2023 * Guiding principles for building setlists * The importance of a “key moment” in a setlist * Incorporating liturgy and spontaneity

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Worth Conference * The Father’s Song by Matt Redman * Facedown by Matt Redman * Podcast: Matt Redman on Visionary Songwriting, Co-Writing, & His New Album * Worship: The Missing Jewel of the Evangelical Church by AW Tozer * The Knowledge of the Holy by AW Tozer * Tozer on Worship & Entertainment compiled by James L Snyder * Under The Unpredictable Plant: An Exploration in Vocational Holiness by Eugene Peterson * Seeing and Savoring Jesus Christ by John Piper

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

What You’ll Learn: * Nathan’s journey as a musician and producer * Finding your skill set * The writing of 10,000 Reasons with Matt Redman * Simplicity * Nathan’s live piano rig * Chroma pad from Peter James * How to play effective keys in ministry times

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Ableton Live * Noir by Native Instruments

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * The design of Chris’ new studio space * Chris’ favorite upright piano * The importance of finishing songs * Not having a songwriter poverty mentality * Taking action on your dreams and setting goals * The power of deadlines and schedule

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Time by Chris Davenport * Keyscape by Spectrasonics * The War of Art by Steven Pressfield

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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  This episode is brought to you by Bethel Music Worship School. As I look back on my development as a worship leader, I can pinpoint a handful of strategic conferences and events that changed the trajectory of my life. I can’t recommend the Bethel Music Worship School enough, taking place this summer in Redding, CA July 17-21.

The Bethel Music Worship School began over two decades ago and is an opportunity for worshipers, leaders, songwriters, musicians, and creatives to come together to grow, learn, and expand their craft.

This year’s special guest is 15-time GRAMMY Award winner and gospel music’s most highly decorated female artist CeCe Winans, along with Members of the Bethel Music Collective: Brian + Jenn Johnson, Josh Baldwin, Paul + Hannah McClure, Kristene DiMarco, David Funk, and more.

Guest speakers this year are Bill Johnson and Ray Hughes + more to be announced in the coming weeks.

Over the course of five days, you will have the opportunity to attend over 50 classes led by teachers who are experts of their field ranging from worship leading and songwriting to music publishing and studio production.

This is an incredible opportunity to invest in your worship leader, your worship team, growing and expanding your skills and encountering God with other like-minded leaders.

Beyond Sunday listeners will get $75 off their registration when they use code BEYOND75.Just head on over to bethelmusic.com/worshipschool and use BEYOND75 for $75 off your registration.

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * Elevation Nights tour * Pop-up church experiment at Elevation * The influence & growth of Elevation Worship * The songwriting/collaborative culture at Elevation * They congregational style of Elevation's past few albums

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: Bethel Music Worship School – July 17-21 (use code BEYOND75 to get $75 off your registration) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Jesse Reeves Interview * Craig Dunnagan Interview * Can You Imagine? by Elevation Worship * Elevation Nights

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Show Sponsor: Bethel Music Worship School This episode is brought to you by Bethel Music Worship School. As I look back on my development as a worship leader, I can pinpoint a handful of strategic conferences and events that changed the trajectory of my life. I can’t recommend the Bethel Music Worship School enough, taking place this summer in Redding, CA July 17-21. The Bethel Music Worship School began over two decades ago and is an opportunity for worshipers, leaders, songwriters, musicians, and creatives to come together to grow, learn, and expand their craft.

This year’s special guest is 15-time GRAMMY Award winner and gospel music’s most highly decorated female artist CeCe Winans, along with Members of the Bethel Music Collective: Brian + Jenn Johnson, Josh Baldwin, Paul + Hannah McClure, Kristene DiMarco, David Funk, and more.

Guest speakers this year are Bill Johnson and Ray Hughes + more to be announced in the coming weeks.

Over the course of five days, you will have the opportunity to attend over 50 classes led by teachers who are experts of their field ranging from worship leading and songwriting to music publishing and studio production.

This is an incredible opportunity to invest in your worship leader, your worship team, growing and expanding your skills and encountering God with other like-minded leaders.

Beyond Sunday listeners will get $75 off their registration when they use code BEYOND75.Just head on over to bethelmusic.com/worshipschool and use BEYOND75 for $75 off your registration.

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * The evolution of full time Worship Leaders/Pastors * Worship leading in the 1960s & 1970s * The founding of Spring Harvest in the 1980s * The transition from head to heart in congregational singing * The impact of genre on lopsided praise & worship music

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: Bethel Music Worship School – July 17-21 (use code BEYOND75 to get $75 off your registration) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Graham Kendrick

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Show Sponsor: Bethel Music Worship School This episode is brought to you by Bethel Music Worship School. As I look back on my development as a worship leader, I can pinpoint a handful of strategic conferences and events that changed the trajectory of my life. I can’t recommend the Bethel Music Worship School enough, taking place this summer in Redding, CA July 17-21.

The Bethel Music Worship School began over two decades ago and is an opportunity for worshipers, leaders, songwriters, musicians, and creatives to come together to grow, learn, and expand their craft.

This year’s special guest is 15-time GRAMMY Award winner and gospel music’s most highly decorated female artist CeCe Winans, along with Members of the Bethel Music Collective: Brian + Jenn Johnson, Josh Baldwin, Paul + Hannah McClure, Kristene DiMarco, David Funk, and more.

Guest speakers this year are Bill Johnson and Ray Hughes + more to be announced in the coming weeks.

Over the course of five days, you will have the opportunity to attend over 50 classes led by teachers who are experts of their field ranging from worship leading and songwriting to music publishing and studio production.

This is an incredible opportunity to invest in your worship leader, your worship team, growing and expanding your skills and encountering God with other like-minded leaders.

Beyond Sunday listeners will get $75 off their registration when they use code BEYOND75.Just head on over to bethelmusic.com/worshipschool and use BEYOND75 for $75 off your registration.

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered * Classical training * Scheduling creativity * Songwriting influences * Songwriting for the Church

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: Bethel Music Worship School – July 17-21 (use code BEYOND75 to get $75 off your registration) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Sundown by Hannah Hobbs

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Show Sponsor: Bethel Music Worship School This episode is brought to you by Bethel Music Worship School. As I look back on my development as a worship leader, I can pinpoint a handful of strategic conferences and events that changed the trajectory of my life. I can’t recommend the Bethel Music Worship School enough, taking place this summer in Redding, CA July 17-21.

The Bethel Music Worship School began over two decades ago and is an opportunity for worshipers, leaders, songwriters, musicians, and creatives to come together to grow, learn, and expand their craft.

This year’s special guest is 15-time GRAMMY Award winner and gospel music’s most highly decorated female artist CeCe Winans, along with Members of the Bethel Music Collective: Brian + Jenn Johnson, Josh Baldwin, Paul + Hannah McClure, Kristene DiMarco, David Funk, and more.

Guest speakers this year are Bill Johnson and Ray Hughes + more to be announced in the coming weeks.

Over the course of five days, you will have the opportunity to attend over 50 classes led by teachers who are experts of their field ranging from worship leading and songwriting to music publishing and studio production.

This is an incredible opportunity to invest in your worship leader, your worship team, growing and expanding your skills and encountering God with other like-minded leaders.

Beyond Sunday listeners will get $75 off their registration when they use code BEYOND75.Just head on over to bethelmusic.com/worshipschool and use BEYOND75 for $75 off your registration.

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * Cultural relevance defined * A vision and definition of creativity in the church * Spirit and truth versus relevance and popularity * The era of 80s & 90s Vineyard Worship and its spread around the world * Why Vineyard Music saw an eventual decline in popularity * The fundamental difference between worship and entertainment * Worship songs and the money that is made * The difference between inspiration and imitation

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Bethel Music * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Sweet Mercies by David Ruis * They Mystery by Vineyard Music

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Show Sponsor: Bethel Music Worship School This episode is brought to you by Bethel Music Worship School. As I look back on my development as a worship leader, I can pinpoint a handful of strategic conferences and events that changed the trajectory of my life. I can't recommend the Bethel Music Worship School enough, taking place this summer in Redding, CA July 17-21.

The Bethel Music Worship School began over two decades ago and is an opportunity for worshipers, leaders, songwriters, musicians, and creatives to come together to grow, learn, and expand their craft.

This year's special guest is 15-time GRAMMY Award winner and gospel music’s most highly decorated female artist CeCe Winans, along with Members of the Bethel Music Collective: Brian + Jenn Johnson, Josh Baldwin, Paul + Hannah McClure, Kristene DiMarco, David Funk, and more.

Guest speakers this year are Bill Johnson and Ray Hughes + more to be announced in the coming weeks.

Over the course of five days, you will have the opportunity to attend over 50 classes led by teachers who are experts of their field ranging from worship leading and songwriting to music publishing and studio production.

This is an incredible opportunity to invest in your worship leader, your worship team, growing and expanding your skills and encountering God with other like-minded leaders.

Beyond Sunday listeners will get $75 off their registration when they use code BEYOND75. Just head on over to bethelmusic.com/worshipschool and use BEYOND75 for $75 off your registration.

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

Topics Covered: * Creativity in the local church - how to balance it * The tension of worship music and music business * Serving the Church * Songwriting in the context of a team * Recording a live worship album vs a studio album * Tips for recording a live worship album

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Bethel Music Worship School - July 17-21 (use code BEYOND75 to get $75 off your registration) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Hillsong Worship on Healthy Team Culture, Leadership, Songwriting, & the New Album

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

What You'll Learn: * Jesse's salvation story & music journey * The surprising story behind Jesse connecting with Chris Tomlin * The co-writing of How Great is Our God * Why Jesse quit going to church * The dangers of professional ministry * The priesthood of believers and what that means for the Church * House Churches * The reason for minimal production on KingsPorch albums

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * KingsPorch * God is in This House by KingsPorch

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What You'll Learn: * Emmy's story into worship leading and becoming a part of the Bethel family * Songwriting in community * Lyric writing & Theme writing * Being a son or a daughter of God

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Come Up Here by Bethel Music * Inheritance by Emmy Rose

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Pla

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Topics of Conversation * Visionary songwriting and how it can help you focus your writing * God centered lyrics * The power of co-writing * Pickleball * Soccer

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Lamb of God by Matt Redman * The Friendship and the Fear by Matt Redman

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You'll Learn: * The power of an encouraging word * Leading worship in different denominational environments * The story behind writing "Surrounded by Holy" * Favorite songs from "Come Up Here" * Coaching young worship leaders

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Come up Here by Bethel Music * Surrounded By Holy by Zahriya Zachary

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools

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What You’ll Learn: * What it takes to pull off a Passion Conference * The theological movement that is Passion * Our favorite Passion records from days gone by * Preparing as a worship leader * How to develop young worship leaders * Leading worship in different environments – from small groups to arenas

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * I’ve Witnessed It by Passion Music * Better is One Day by Passion Music * The Road to One Day by Passion Music

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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In This Episode, We Cover: * David's journey into worship * How to develop great keys tone * Best practices/gear for the modern keys player * The surprising reality behind a great pad sound * The difference between arrangement view and session view for keys players * The two most important effect every keys player should learn to use

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Come Up Here by Bethel Music * Reason * Omnisphere * Keyscape * Kontakt * Spitfire * Nord Stage 2 * Ableton * 2U rack * Pelican air * Play Audio iConnectivity * Mio XM midi interface * Novation launch control * The Lab soft piano * Noire felt piano

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Plannin

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What You’ll Learn:* How Vito got connected to Sufjan Stevens * How the Welcome Wagon began * The pressures and trappings of CCM music

Resources Mentioned:* Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Esther by The Welcome Wagon

Show Sponsor: Planning CenterSo let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You’ll Learn: * How Vito got connected to Sufjan Stevens * How the Welcome Wagon began * The pressures and trappings of CCM music

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Esther by The Welcome Wagon

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You'll Learn: * Christmas music at Passion City * The backstory behind "Make it Out Alive" * How to be write with vulnerability and write songs for the church * Sobriety and the grace of God

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Make it Out Alive by Kristian Stanfill

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You'll Learn: * Coffee and coffee gear * B&R's worship leading journey * Worship leading tips over 20 years of ministry * Recognizing the different ways people worship * Rebekah's cancer journey & God's faithfulness through it all

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Life Again by Brad & Rebekah

Show Sponsor: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planni

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What You'll Learn: * How Zach got started in music * Overcoming insecurity * Musical influences * How Zach's experience as a Worship Leader influence Citizens * Looking back on Zach's Mars Hill experience * Attractional vs Pastoral worship leading * Creative Process

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Multitracks (use promo code BEYONDSUNDAY15 for 15% off an annual subscription to the Church Streaming License) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Citizens Music * The Cardigans * Jacob Collier

Show Sponsor #1: Multitracks.com For most churches, navigating the world of licensing and reporting can be very complicated.

MultiTracks.com has taken complexity out of licensing with the Church Streaming License, a comprehensive lyric and streaming license that provides a complete reporting solution for in-person and online usage. It is the only license that fully auto- reports both lyric and streaming activity, and the only license to fully integrate auto- reporting via Planning Center.

And the best part is, when you create your setlists on MultiTracks.com or import your setlists from Planning Center, they’ll handle all of the reporting for you.

Simply by using resources in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem, all activity will now be reported automatically rather than having to manually report, bringing accurate, transparent, and comprehensive reporting across the activity in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem.

Get started with the Church Streaming License today at MultiTracks.com! Use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY15 for 15% off an annual subscription.

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You’ll Learn: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Multitracks.com  For most churches, navigating the world of licensing and reporting can be very complicated.  MultiTracks.com has taken complexity out of licensing with the Church Streaming License, a comprehensive lyric and streaming license that provides a complete reporting solution for in-person and online usage. It is the only […]

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What You'll Learn: * Benjamin's early years as a songwriter * How to write better lyrics * How to study songwriting * Why Benjamin went to Hillsong * The most important aspect of a good song

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Multitracks (use promo code BEYONDSUNDAY15 for 15% off an annual subscription to the Church Streaming License) * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Writing Better Lyrics by Pat Pattison

Show Sponsor #1: Multitracks.com For most churches, navigating the world of licensing and reporting can be very complicated.

MultiTracks.com has taken complexity out of licensing with the Church Streaming License, a comprehensive lyric and streaming license that provides a complete reporting solution for in-person and online usage. It is the only license that fully auto- reports both lyric and streaming activity, and the only license to fully integrate auto- reporting via Planning Center.

And the best part is, when you create your setlists on MultiTracks.com or import your setlists from Planning Center, they’ll handle all of the reporting for you.

Simply by using resources in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem, all activity will now be reported automatically rather than having to manually report, bringing accurate, transparent, and comprehensive reporting across the activity in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem.

Get started with the Church Streaming License today at MultiTracks.com! Use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY15 for 15% off an annual subscription.

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You'll Learn: * Todd's journey into worship ministry * Challenges of the mega church/worship production culture * Soul care for worship leaders * Creating healthy rhythms in ministry * Where the worship "industry" came from * Concerns about the worship industry * Learning to celebrate your limitations and uniqueness * The dangers of comparison and competition

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Multitracks * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Worship Circle * Finding Me by Todd Fields * Book Todd Fields

Show Sponsor #1: Multitracks.com For most churches, navigating the world of licensing and reporting can be very complicated.

MultiTracks.com has taken complexity out of licensing with the Church Streaming License, a comprehensive lyric and streaming license that provides a complete reporting solution for in-person and online usage. It is the only license that fully auto- reports both lyric and streaming activity, and the only license to fully integrate auto- reporting via Planning Center.

And the best part is, when you create your setlists on MultiTracks.com or import your setlists from Planning Center, they’ll handle all of the reporting for you.

Simply by using resources in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem, all activity will now be reported automatically rather than having to manually report, bringing accurate, transparent, and comprehensive reporting across the activity in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem.

Get started with the Church Streaming License today at MultiTracks.com!

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You'll Learn: * The early days of CCM and SCC's career * How to deal with insecurity * Stories behind the songs * Teaching kids to love music * The creation of the new album * What songwriting and album creation is like, 35 years into a career

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Multitracks (use promo code BEYONDSUNDAY15 for 15% off a Church Reporting License subscription * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Still by Steven Curtis Chapman * Love Kindness: Discover the Power of a Forgotten Christian Virtue by Barry Corey

Show Sponsor #1: Multitracks.com For most churches, navigating the world of licensing and reporting can be very complicated.

MultiTracks.com has taken complexity out of licensing with the Church Streaming License, a comprehensive lyric and streaming license that provides a complete reporting solution for in-person and online usage. It is the only license that fully auto- reports both lyric and streaming activity, and the only license to fully integrate auto- reporting via Planning Center.

And the best part is, when you create your setlists on MultiTracks.com or import your setlists from Planning Center, they’ll handle all of the reporting for you.

Simply by using resources in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem, all activity will now be reported automatically rather than having to manually report, bringing accurate, transparent, and comprehensive reporting across the activity in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem.

Get started with the Church Streaming License today at MultiTracks.com!

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You’ll Learn: Why we need to express heartbreak in the church Creative Process Song stories behind the new album, “The Heartbreak and the Healing” Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Multitracks Show Sponsor: Planning Center Instagram: @officialblanca Show Sponsor #1: Multitracks.com  For most churches, navigating the world of licensing and reporting can be very complicated.  MultiTracks.com has […]

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What You'll Learn: * Why we need to express heartbreak in the church * Creative Process * Song stories behind the new album, "The Heartbreak and the Healing"

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Multitracks * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Instagram: @officialblanca

Show Sponsor #1: Multitracks.com For most churches, navigating the world of licensing and reporting can be very complicated.

MultiTracks.com has taken complexity out of licensing with the Church Streaming License, a comprehensive lyric and streaming license that provides a complete reporting solution for in-person and online usage. It is the only license that fully auto- reports both lyric and streaming activity, and the only license to fully integrate auto- reporting via Planning Center.

And the best part is, when you create your setlists on MultiTracks.com or import your setlists from Planning Center, they’ll handle all of the reporting for you.

Simply by using resources in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem, all activity will now be reported automatically rather than having to manually report, bringing accurate, transparent, and comprehensive reporting across the activity in the MultiTracks.com ecosystem.

Get started with the Church Streaming License today at MultiTracks.com!

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center So let’s talk about Planning Center. For those of you who are old enough, we often refer to worship leading eras as the pre-Planning Center days and the Planning Center days. It’s that game-changing and that important.

I talk about Planning Center pretty often on here, and if you’re a worship pastor, you might be wondering what more there is to Planning Center for you beyond worship planning and scheduling.

And there is.

Did you know that with a subscription to Planning Center Services you also have free access to another incredibly powerful product People?

With People, you can do things like create a volunteer pipeline to get new volunteers through their application process and then assigned to a team!

In People you can create an online form to get new volunteers, a workflow to help you walk them step-by-step through the training process, and then automatically add them to Services so you can get them scheduled!

And that’s just one way you use Planning Center People, so give it a try! Learn more at planningcenter.com/pipeline

And remember, if your church is looking for tools to help with things like giving, small group chat, event signups, live-streaming, and custom reporting, Planning Center has tools for that too, so let your church administrator know!

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What You’ll Learn: Influential worship music How to stay inspired How worship music has evolved over the last 25 years The myth behind “congregational” worship music The story behind writing “Christ Be Magnified” Trusting the Holy Spirit as a worship leader The one thing Worship Leaders need to help congregations remember Living in the tension […]

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What You’ll Learn: Josh’s current keyboard rig How keyboard players need to adapt in a high tracks culture The importance of drummers in worship Stories behind the new Planetshakers album Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Multitracks Show Sponsor: Planning Center Greater by Planetshakers Nord Stage 2 Mainstage Native Instrument Alicia’s Keys East/West samples Show Sponsor #1: […]

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Show Sponsor #1: Multitracks.com For most churches, navigating the world of licensing and reporting can be very complicated.  MultiTracks.com has taken complexity out of licensing with the Church Streaming License, a comprehensive lyric and streaming license that provides a complete reporting solution for in-person and online usage. It is the only license that fully auto- reports […]

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Show Sponsor #1: Worship Artistry This episode is brought to you by Worship Artistry. If I could recommend one resource to help Worship Leaders equip and empower their teams, it would be Worship Artistry. One of the biggest frustrations I hear from worship leaders is that their band does not show up prepared. Not only does […]

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What You’ll Learn: The early days of using tracks in worship How you can save time as a worship leader to focus on what really matters How large and small churches can utilize Multitracks products to improve what they do Worship music trends The Church Streaming License and what it can mean for churches How […]

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What You’ll Learn: Christian Hedonism and the pursuit of joy in God Why churches need to pursue the things of the Spirit The dangers of the worship industry Why we shouldn’t avoid songs based on the movement or church they come from Why fundamentalism is creeping back into the church The importance of a robust […]

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What You’ll Learn: Sports escapism NFL Super Bowl predictions Creative process Writing songs for the church Liturgy in corporate worship Reimagining engagement in worship Worship Leaders as curators Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Worship Artistry Show Sponsor: Planning Center David Gungor The Good Shepherd Music Collective The Brilliance Telos Undaunted Podcast Charles Jones Show Sponsor #1: […]

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Today’s interview is a conversation with Marc Jolicoeur, Worship Pastor at Moncton Wesleyan Church in New Brunswick, Canada. Marc has been part of a study (along with Mike Tapper, chair of Religion at Southern Wesleyan University) that analyzes the life curves of the songs we sing. This is a fascinating study. And to be honest, […]

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Show Sponsor #1: Worship Artistry This episode is brought to you by Worship Artistry. If I could recommend one resource to help Worship Leaders equip and empower their teams, it would be Worship Artistry. One of the biggest frustrations I hear from worship leaders is that their band does not show up prepared. Not only does […]

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Show Sponsor #1: Worship Artistry This episode is brought to you by Worship Artistry. If I could recommend one resource to help Worship Leaders equip and empower their teams, it would be Worship Artistry. One of the biggest frustrations I hear from worship leaders is that their band does not show up prepared. Not only does […]

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What You’ll Learn The worship movement God has been building since the 1970s The story of Bob’s book Exploring Worship Why in-person, corporate worship is so important What surfing has to do with worship Defining our underlying, hidden values in worship ministry The main aspect of worship that we’re missing today The optimization of worship […]

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Show Sponsor #1: Worship Artistry This episode is brought to you by Worship Artistry. If I could recommend one resource to help Worship Leaders equip and empower their teams, it would be Worship Artistry. One of the biggest frustrations I hear from worship leaders is that their band does not show up prepared. Not only does […]

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Show Sponsor #1: Worship Artistry This episode is brought to you by Worship Artistry. If I could recommend one resource to help Worship Leaders equip and empower their teams, it would be Worship Artistry. One of the biggest frustrations I hear from worship leaders is that their band does not show up prepared. Not only does […]

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Show Sponsor #1: Worship Artistry This episode is brought to you by Worship Artistry. If I could recommend one resource to help Worship Leaders equip and empower their teams, it would be Worship Artistry. One of the biggest frustrations I hear from worship leaders is that their band does not show up prepared. Not only […]

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What You'll Learn in This Episode * What a friendship with the Holy Spirit means * How God uses marriage to write a unique story * The Helser's story from meeting each other to starting a discipleship school * The Artist vs Pastor tension * How to deal with the tension of chronic disease and the God of miracles * The key to effective spontaneous worship

Resources Mentioned: * The Land I'm Living in by Jonathan David & Melissa Helser * Jonathan David & Melissa Helser * The 18 Inch Journey School * Podcast: Don Potter on Prophetic Music, the Dangers of Fame, & Spending Time with God * Podcast: Leonard Jones on Worship Trends, Prophetic Music, & Practice

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.  Maybe many of […]

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Lester and Swee Hong? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.  Maybe many of […]

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

What You’ll Learn: * Whataburger or In ‘n Out * Leading through a pandemic * Creativity in the midst of quarantine * How to balance local and global ministry * How Jake approaches records as a producer

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Red Rocks Worship

Subscription Links * Subscribe via Spotify * Subscribe via iTunes * Subscribe via Stitcher * Subscribe via RSS

Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Jake & Kory? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode, You’ll Learn: * Israel’s musical journey * Defining moments in Israel’s life * Musical influences * The commerce of worship music * Making room for developing others * Israel’s story of brokenness, divorce, & redemption * Spontaneous Worship * How to be prophetic/spontaneous with weekend service time restraints * Difficult conversations with your Lead Pastor

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Feels Like Home (Volume 1) by Israel & New Breed * Feels Like Home (Volume 2) by Israel & New Breed

Subscription Links * Subscribe via Spotify * Subscribe via iTunes * Subscribe via Stitcher * Subscribe via RSS

Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Israel? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

What You’ll Learn: * Dante’s musical influences * The making of Circles * Working with Lael as a producer

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Circles by Dante Bowe

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Dante? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Topics Discussed: * What Dan & Kenzie do as part of SEU Worship * The call to create “prophetic pop” * Songwriting process * How to lead worship for students * How to structure your worship set with old/new songs * How SEU Worship develops worship leaders * How to coach stage presence * The story behind the Mixtape albums

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Clouds are Clearing: Mixtape 1a by SEU Worship * Clouds are Clearing: Mixtape 1b by SEU Worship * Book: The Prophetic Imagination by Walter Brueggemann

Subscription Links * Subscribe via Spotify * Subscribe via iTunes * Subscribe via Stitcher * Subscribe via RSS

Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Dan & Kenzie You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

Topics Discussed: * The early memories of Delirious * The bravery of Martin Smith & Delirious * Chasing after a dream * Developing confidence as a worship leader * How Elle developed her sound * Creative process * Favorite worship songs * How to prepare for worship leading

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Lost in Wonder by Elle Limebear * Music: Twenty Four by Jonathan Ogden

Subscription Links * Subscribe via Spotify * Subscribe via iTunes * Subscribe via Stitcher * Subscribe via RSS

Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Elle? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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What You’ll Learn in this Episode: * Defining moments in Nicole’s journey * How to grow in confidence and authority as a worship leader * Spontaneous worship * Defining your philosophy of worship * How to foster the gift of God in your kids

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Glory of Eden (Live) by David & Nicole Binion * Music: Dwell (A Live Worship Experience) by David & Nicole Binion * Dwell Church

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Nicole? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Aaron’s journey to New Life Church in Colorado Springs * The power of community and relationship * How 10,000 Fathers began * What qualifies a worship leader in the church * What’s missing in local church discipleship * The dangers of the worship industry * A cultural/spiritual analysis of the song “Waymaker” * How to get connected to “10,000 Father Worship School” and “Mere Worship” * Why everyone needs a coach

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Website: 10,000 Fathers Worship School * Website: Mere Worship

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode, You’ll Learn More About: * Glenn’s journey to becoming an Anglican Priest in an Evangelical, Charismatic, Non-Denominational Church * How to stay healthy as a Pastor in full time ministry * Emotionally healthy ministry * Trusting God with the tapestry of your life * The basis for Glenn’s doctoral research * The current state of modern worship songs * Favorite books * Creative process

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Book: Worship and the World to Come: Exploring Christian Hope in Contemporary Worship by Glenn Packiam * Book: Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church by N.T. Wright * Book: Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis * Podcast: Spirit and Sacrament: Integrating Modern Worship with Traditional Liturgy with Glenn Packiam & Aaron Niequist

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Kari’s earliest memory of singing * The calling of a worship leader * The heart behind “The Blessing” project * The writing of the song, “The Blessing” * Understanding your Lead Pastor’s vision * How to develop more trust with your leadership * Growing in your “spontaneous” worship leading

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: The Blessing by Kari Jobe

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Will’s journey into ministry * How to discover what God has designed you to do * The difference between coaching, consulting, and facilitating * Adopting a posture of learning * The 5 Barriers to Self Awareness * First 90 Days: the science behind breakthrough in your new role * How to approach church growth in a COVID-19 era * Tips, Tools, & Productivity Hacks

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Website: Launch: First 90 Days * Book: Future Church: Seven Laws of Real Church Growth by Will Mancini * Book: Younique: Designing the Life that God Dreamed for You by Will Mancini * FREE eBook: The Clarity Spiral: The Four Break-Thru Practices to Find the One Thing You’re Called to do by Will Mancini * Website: Will Mancini * Website: Future Church Co * Book: The Master Plan of Evangelism * Book: The Making of a Leader by Robert Clinton * Book: How I Grew from Failure to Success in Selling by Frank Becker * Book: The Interventionist by Lao * Book: What Jesus Started by Steven Addison

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Why the emphasis on books for young readers * The importance of looking to Christ for our sufficiency * The surprising meaning behind the story of David & Goliath * How to navigate ministry and leadership in a COVID-19 era * How to be a leader who develops others * The importance of being a generous encourager * How to give feet to vision

Resources Mentioned: * Patreon Page: Beyond Sunday Worship * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Book: Indescribable: 100 Devotions for Kids About God & Science * Book: How Great is Our God: 100 Indescribable Devotions About God & Science * Book: Goliath Must Fall for Young Readers: Winning the Battle Against Your Giants * Book: Goliath Must Fall: Winning the Battle Against Your Giants

Resources Mentioned: * Beyond Sunday Worship Patreon Page * Show Sponsor: How to Worship A King Video Series * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Video: My Interview with Josh Baldwin LIVE

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Louie? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: #1: How to Worship A King Video Series One of the questions I get most frequently is, “What book should I read with my worship team?” My answer, without a doubt is Bob Kauflin’s Worship Matters and Zach Neese’s “How to Worship a King.” Zach’s book is passionate, biblical, and perfect for teams. And now, partnered with Gateway Publishing, How to Worship a King has a video series that is perfect for teams to watch and study together. I can’t think of a better resource for local church worship teams.

To stream the first episode for free, head on over to howtoworshipaking.com

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Navigating Covid Season * How to choose a producer * Working with Ed Cash and David Leonard * How to chase inspiration * Influences * The story behind the Y&F “Best Friends” cover * Different writing styles and how to play to your strengths

Resources Mentioned: * Beyond Sunday Worship Patreon Page * Show Sponsor: How to Worship A King Video Series * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Video: My Interview with Josh Baldwin LIVE

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Josh? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: #1: How to Worship A King Video Series One of the questions I get most frequently is, “What book should I read with my worship team?” My answer, without a doubt is Bob Kauflin’s Worship Matters and Zach Neese’s “How to Worship a King.” Zach’s book is passionate, biblical, and perfect for teams. And now, partnered with Gateway Publishing, How to Worship a King has a video series that is perfect for teams to watch and study together. I can’t think of a better resource for local church worship teams.

To stream the first episode for free, head on over to howtoworshipaking.com

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The journey of planting a church * The importance of encounter with God * How to maintain a consistent passion for the presence of God * The importance of private worship * Developing trust with your Lead Pastor * The uniqueness of vision at Dwell Church * The story behind Integrity’s new album, “Revere”

Resources Mentioned: * Beyond Sunday Patreon * Show Sponsor: How to Worship a King Video Series * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Revere (Live) by Integrity Music * Dwell (A Live Worship Experience) by David & Nicole Binion * Dwell Church * David & Nicole Binion

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with David? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: #1: How to Worship A King Video Series One of the questions I get most frequently is, “What book should I read with my worship team?” My answer, without a doubt is Bob Kauflin’s Worship Matters and Zach Neese’s “How to Worship a King.” Zach’s book is passionate, biblical, and perfect for teams. And now, partnered with Gateway Publishing, How to Worship a King has a video series that is perfect for teams to watch and study together. I can’t think of a better resource for local church worship teams.

To stream the first episode for free, head on over to howtoworshipaking.com

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Learn: * The 3 basic skills you need to build trust with those you lead and serve * The truth about large scale change * The power of batching your time & schedule * The 5 cultural dynamics to being a difference maker 1. People over product 2. Give away ministry 3. Schedule adventure 4. Lead and communicate up 5. Own & execute the vision of the house

Resources Mentioned: * Patreon Page: Beyond Sunday Worship * Show Sponsor: How to Worship a King Video Series * Show Sponsor: Planning Center

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

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Show Sponsor: #1: How to Worship A King Video Series One of the questions I get most frequently is, “What book should I read with my worship team?” My answer, without a doubt is Bob Kauflin’s Worship Matters and Zach Neese’s “How to Worship a King.” Zach’s book is passionate, biblical, and perfect for teams. And now, partnered with Gateway Publishing, How to Worship a King has a video series that is perfect for teams to watch and study together. I can’t think of a better resource for local church worship teams.

To stream the first episode for free, head on over to howtoworshipaking.com

Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Zach’s history with God * Kingdom culture principles * How to guard against professionalism * The priesthood of all believers * A congregation’s responsibility * Concerns with our modern worship culture

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: How to Worship a King Video Series * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Book: How to Worship a King

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Zach? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * How Natalie got started in music * The difference between anointing and authority * How to develop confidence as a singer * Stories behind the making of the new album * Natalie’s most memorable concerts and ministry moments

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Natalie Grant * No Stranger by Natalie Grant

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Derek’s journey into worship leading * The tension between artistry and pastoral ministry * How to plan spontaneity in a weekend worship set * The story behind The Church albums

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Church (Vol 1) by Jesus Culture * Church (Vol 2) by Jesus Culture * Jesus Culture * The Jesus Culture Podcast * Authentic You Podcast * Man Camp Podcast

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Show Sponsor: Planning Center When I think of essentials for worship ministry, not many compare to Planning Center. It’s a tool I use on a daily basis and works around the clock. Planning Center is all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Laura’s journey into ministry * Developing young worship leaders * The process of writing the new Y&F album * How Y&F develops their sound * Fostering a healthy creative culture

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: All Of My Best Friends by Hillsong Young & Free

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Laura? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * How Corey and his church/team have handled COVID-19 * How to balance planned and spontaneous in weekend worship * How to coach and develop worship leaders * Communication with your Lead Pastor * Desperation in worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Heaven Come Closer by Madison Street Worship

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In This Episode, We Talk About… * How Mosaic is handling COVID-19 * Andy’s musical and Mosaic journey * Andy’s role at Mosaic * What makes the culture of Mosaic unique * How to approach creative ideas in corporate worship * Creativity vs Accessibility * How to structure songwriting retreats * Creative elements of the Human MSC project * Creative constraints * How to move on after writing a “hit” song

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Human by Mosaic MSC

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A great leader is a great question asker.”

Stan Endicott, Founder of Slingshot Group

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The power of journaling * Productivity hacks * Why “Improv” is essential to leadership * The 5 competencies of Improv Leadership * The power of asking the right questions * A few of David’s favorite coaching questions * Leadership as coaching * How Improv Leadership will improve your team

Resources Mentioned: * Book Website: Improv Leadership * Book: Improv Leadership * Book: 5 Minute Journal * Book: One Line a Day Journal

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Show Notes:

  • Managing COVID-19 as a large multi site church
  • Defining your most creative time window during the day
  • Knowing when to edit and when to let creativity flow.
  • Overcoming decision fatigue as a songwriter
  • The balance of writing for church and other creative genres
  • The process of songwriting in the context of a TEAM
  • Not shortcutting the editing process in songwriting

Resources:

  • Music: Altars by River Valley Worship
  • Website: River Valley Worship

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Show Highlights

  • Processing COVID-19
  • Being self employed and working from home
  • The vision behind Somniscape
  • The purpose of texture in music
  • Eric's creative process
  • The best time of day for creativity
  • The use of samples and software over live instruments
  • Optimizing a workflow template for creativity
  • Paying attention to your emotional state and meeting your emotional needs
  • The emotionally healthy artist
  • Eric's studio space and how it's set up
  • Reading biographies

Resources Mentioned

  • Music: Somniscape Volume 3
  • Music: Somniscape Volume 4
  • Software: Vienna Ensemble Pro
  • Software: Spitfire Audio
  • Book: The Diary of Anne Franke
  • Book: Stillness is the Key by Ryan Holliday

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In This Episode You'll Hear More About:

  • Melodie's journey as a worship leader and what brought her to Passion City
  • The differences and similarities between leading worship in large and small gatherings
  • Highlights from Passion 2020
  • The importance of "reading the room" as a worship leader

Resources Mentioned:

  • Music: Roar by Passion Band
  • Website: Passion 2021

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Click to Listen: In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: How Steven started his career in music Steven’s early musical influences How Steven developed his “storytelling” songwriting style The story behind the new song/collaboration “Together” Creative Process Resources Mentioned: Music: Together (We’ll Get Through This) with Steven Curtis Chapman, Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Brad Paisley, & […]

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In This Episode You'll Hear More About:

  • How Steven started his career in music
  • Steven's early musical influences
  • How Steven developed his "storytelling" songwriting style
  • The story behind the new song/collaboration "Together"
  • Creative Process

Resources Mentioned:

  • Music: Together (We'll Get Through This) with Steven Curtis Chapman, Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Brad Paisley, & Lauren Alaina
  • Website: Steven Curtis Chapman

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What we do is a cross between a Saturday night Irish pub and a Sunday morning church service."

Gareth Gilkeson of Rend Collective

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Updates on Rend Collective over the last two years * Reaching unbelievers with "Christian" music * The tension between palatable corporate worship and creativity * Stories behind the songs * The second coming of Christ

Resources Mentioned: * Music: Choose to Worship by Rend Collective * Music: Homemade Worship by Handmade People by Rend Collective * Website: Rend Collective

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Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Bouncing back from setbacks * Embracing the season you're in * The journey of The Outcry Tour * Practical tips for making dreams a reality

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Book: Head in the Clouds, Feet on the Ground: A Survival Guide for Creatives, Visionaries, and Dreamers by Ryan Romeo

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Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Reflections on 25+ years of songwriting for the Church * The power of co-writing * The process of getting older as a worship leader * The importance of humility as a leader * How to create a Godly environment for your kids * The most surprising song on Let There Be Wonder

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Let There Be Wonder by Matt Redman * Book: The Treasury of David by Charles Spurgeon

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It’s refreshing to be around someone who has been with Jesus. Sean Curran is a refreshing voice who is more concerned with being in the presence of God than just making music. More than most, he has a leadership style that is disarming and invitational. In this interview we talk about vintage pianos, Passion 2020, […]

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Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * The collecting of vintage pianos * Musical experimentation and creativity * Creative process * Sean's desert island instrument * How to engage a room * How to make large rooms feel smaller

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Website: Sean Curran

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Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * The call of God * Stephen's story of musical development * Stephen's testimony from meth addict to worship leader * The allure of fame and platform * The new EP Grave Clothes

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Stephen McWhirter

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Sponsor #1: Leadership Pathway I want to introduce you to one of my favorite organizations: Leadership Pathway. Leadership Pathway helps churches find and then coach the next generation of leaders through a two-year residency program based on soft skill competencies.

They begin by helping churches market and find resident candidates that perhaps they couldn’t find on their own. They then coach your staff on how to have developmental conversations in the context of ministry.

Leadership Pathway vets candidates to find the best fit for your church. For example: They have vetted 600 inquiries in the last 12 months, only passed through 150, only presented 100 and placed 50. Yes, it’s a lot of talking and work. But that’s the level of detail and follow through you’ll find with Leadership Pathway.

So if you’re looking to grow your leadership pipeline and need some coaching on what it could look like, check out Leadership Pathway. Or if you’re looking to bring some high quality Leadership Residents to your team, let LP do the heavy lifting of finding the right fit.

To start, head HERE.

There you’ll find a FREE toolkit for Onboarding and evaluating candidates, HR issues/ pay & work hours, housing & host homes, & job description examples. Again, this is 100% free and worth your time. Go to leadershippathway.org/beyondsunday

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Cooking * The story of Your Love Never Fails * How Chris got connected with Jesus Culture * Songwriting tools and tricks * Spontaneous worship and risk taking * Chemistry between lead pastors and worship pastors * The difference between live and studio records * Learning how to pivot and change direction in the middle of a worship set

Resources Mentioned: * Cutting Edge by Delirious * Sonicflood * Fill this Place EP by Chris McClarney

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Click to Listen Sponsor #1: Leadership Pathway I want to introduce you to one of my favorite organizations: Leadership Pathway. Leadership Pathway helps churches find and then coach the next generation of leaders through a two-year residency program based on soft skill competencies.

They begin by helping churches market and find resident candidates that perhaps they couldn’t find on their own. They then coach your staff on how to have developmental conversations in the context of ministry.

Leadership Pathway vets candidates to find the best fit for your church. For example: They have vetted 600 inquiries in the last 12 months, only passed through 150, only presented 100 and placed 50. Yes, it’s a lot of talking and work. But that’s the level of detail and follow through you’ll find with Leadership Pathway.

So if you’re looking to grow your leadership pipeline and need some coaching on what it could look like, check out Leadership Pathway. Or if you’re looking to bring some high quality Leadership Residents to your team, let LP do the heavy lifting of finding the right fit.

To start, head HERE.

There you’ll find a FREE toolkit for Onboarding and evaluating candidates, HR issues/ pay & work hours, housing & host homes, & job description examples. Again, this is 100% free and worth your time. Go to leadershippathway.org/beyondsunday

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Church planting * What it's like working for a Lead Pastor who is a Worship Pastor * The coffee scene in the UK * How to develop a worship culture from the ground up * The difference between excellence and bringing our best * Why worship teams shouldn't comprise depth and the moving of the Holy Spirit * Why our meetings shouldn't be boring * Recruiting new team members * Songwriting inspiration

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Leadership Pathway * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Motions of Mercy by Luke & Anna Hellebronth

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One of the worship leaders who’s had the most impact on me is Charlie Hall. I can think back to specific seasons of my life where Charlie’s music brought me through. Before I ever led worship or considered leading worship, Charlie’s early Passion records taught me so much about creativity, musicality, and how to lead […]

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Sponsor #1: Leadership Pathway I want to introduce you to one of my favorite organizations: Leadership Pathway. Leadership Pathway helps churches find and then coach the next generation of leaders through a two-year residency program based on soft skill competencies.

They begin by helping churches market and find resident candidates that perhaps they couldn’t find on their own. They then coach your staff on how to have developmental conversations in the context of ministry.

Leadership Pathway vets candidates to find the best fit for your church. For example: They have vetted 600 inquiries in the last 12 months, only passed through 150, only presented 100 and placed 50. Yes, it’s a lot of talking and work. But that’s the level of detail and follow through you’ll find with Leadership Pathway.

So if you’re looking to grow your leadership pipeline and need some coaching on what it could look like, check out Leadership Pathway. Or if you’re looking to bring some high quality Leadership Residents to your team, let LP do the heavy lifting of finding the right fit.

To start, head HERE.

There you’ll find a FREE toolkit for Onboarding and evaluating candidates, HR issues/ pay & work hours, housing & host homes, & job description examples. Again, this is 100% free and worth your time. Go to leadershippathway.org/beyondsunday

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Seeing Worship Leaders in light of the Biblical Gifts * How Charlie learned how to lead worship * Charlie's early influences * Creativity in worship * How to develop a songwriting culture * Behind the role of "Worship & Liturgy" Pastor

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Leadership Pathway * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Website: Charlie Hall

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Charlie? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Sponsor #1: Leadership Pathway Hey guys. I want to introduce you to one of my favorite organizations: Leadership Pathway. Leadership Pathway (Lp) helps churches find and then coach the next generation of leaders through a two-year residency program based on soft skill competencies.

They begin by helping churches market and find resident candidates that perhaps they couldn’t find on their own. They then coach your staff on how to have developmental conversations in the context of ministry.

Leadership Pathway vets candidates to find the best fit for your church. For example: They have vetted 600 inquiries in the last 12 months, only passed through 150, only presented 100 and placed 50. Yes, it’s a lot of talking and work. But that’s the level of detail and follow through you’ll find with Leadership Pathway.

So if you’re looking to grow your leadership pipeline and need some coaching on what it could look like, check out Leadership Pathway. Or if you’re looking to bring some high quality Leadership Residents to your team, let LP do the heavy lifting of finding the right fit.

To start, head to https://leadershippathway.org/beyondsunday
There you’ll find a FREE toolkit for Onboarding and evaluating candidates, HR issues/ pay & work hours, housing & host homes, & job description examples. Again, this is 100% free and worth your time. Go to leadershippathway.org/beyondsunday

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Summer Worship Nights tour * Balancing family and ministry * What it's like being married to another artist * Seasons of songwriting * Comparisons between Cody's recent songs and past songs * A dream about Jonny Cash * How to keep your songwriting fresh

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Leadership Pathway * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Gear: Soyuz SU17 * Music: The Darker The Nightby Cody Carnes * Music: Nothing Elseby Cody Carnes

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Once or twice a year, I hope we have a train wreck Sunday.” Adam Russell Adam Russell is an entrepreneur, pastor, songwriter, worship leader, and Director of Vineyard Worship USA. Sound like a busy schedule? Adam and I catch up and talk about the history of the Vineyard, ways worship leaders need challenged today, winemaking, […]

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Once or twice a year, I hope we have a train wreck Sunday."

Adam Russell

Show Sponsor #1 Coresound Pads are my favorite pads on the market. They are simply unbeatable. There are a lot of pad loops out there, but nothing comes close to the quality, diversity, and ease of use that Coresound provides.

Every pad Coresound has created sounds stellar. The original bundles used in thousands of churches worldwide are second to none, and their NEW pads, bumper music, and other products meet that very same level of quality.

What I love most about Coresound is their brand new app, Pads Live,which you can find at padslive.com. And big announcement – Pads Live is now available on both iOS AND ANDROID! That’s right – the Android version is HERE. So no matter what device you have, you can have the best sounding pads with you in any situation! Purchase pads from right within the app, get seamless crossfading, so many textures, all 12 keys, and so much more.

Go over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY to get 20% off your purchase. Purchasing at coresoundpads.comis the place to redeem your promo code, and any purchase on their site WILL unlock those same pads in the Pads Live app as well. Coresoundpads.com, promo code BEYONDSUNDAY.

Show Sponsor #2 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Winemaking on a small farm in Kentucky * Creating margin within a busy schedule * How Adam got connected with the Vineyard * The exploratory worship pioneers of the 90s * A brief history of Vineyard Music * The importance of patience and risk-taking in worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Website: Vineyard Worship USA * Music: Sweet Mercies by David Ruis

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Adam? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor #1 Coresound Pads are my favorite pads on the market. They are simply unbeatable. There are a lot of pad loops out there, but nothing comes close to the quality, diversity, and ease of use that Coresound provides.

Every pad Coresound has created sounds stellar. The original bundles used in thousands of churches worldwide are second to none, and their NEW pads, bumper music, and other products meet that very same level of quality.

What I love most about Coresound is their brand new app, Pads Live,which you can find at padslive.com. And big announcement – Pads Live is now available on both iOS AND ANDROID! That’s right – the Android version is HERE. So no matter what device you have, you can have the best sounding pads with you in any situation! Purchase pads from right within the app, get seamless crossfading, so many textures, all 12 keys, and so much more.

Go over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY to get 20% off your purchase. Purchasing at coresoundpads.comis the place to redeem your promo code, and any purchase on their site WILL unlock those same pads in the Pads Live app as well. Coresoundpads.com, promo code BEYONDSUNDAY.

Show Sponsor #2 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Architecture * Director of Worship Culture role * Creative ways to structure a worship ministry * Contract worship leaders: pros & cons * Creativity and administration * The importance of a senior leader’s role in worship * The importance of prayer in the life of a church * Why the church is moving away from excellence as a top tier priority * Leaning into the prophetic/spontaneous in your local church

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Mike? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor #1 Coresound Pads are my favorite pads on the market. They are simply unbeatable. There are a lot of pad loops out there, but nothing comes close to the quality, diversity, and ease of use that Coresound provides.

Every pad Coresound has created sounds stellar. The original bundles used in thousands of churches worldwide are second to none, and their NEW pads, bumper music, and other products meet that very same level of quality.

What I love most about Coresound is their brand new app, Pads Live,which you can find at padslive.com. And big announcement – Pads Live is now available on both iOS AND ANDROID! That’s right – the Android version is HERE. So no matter what device you have, you can have the best sounding pads with you in any situation! Purchase pads from right within the app, get seamless crossfading, so many textures, all 12 keys, and so much more.

Go over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY to get 20% off your purchase. Purchasing at coresoundpads.comis the place to redeem your promo code, and any purchase on their site WILL unlock those same pads in the Pads Live app as well. Coresoundpads.com, promo code BEYONDSUNDAY.

Show Sponsor #2 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Spending extended time with God * The power of consistent prayer over many years * Carpentry * Don's spiritual upbringing * How "music business" was removed from Don's life * The dangers of fame and how to navigate it * The story of Brian Johnson and Bethel Music (before it existed) * Why God gives incredible gifts (that can sell millions of records) * How to develop as a prophetic singer and musician * The one quality that all studio musicians have that is imperative for worship * The story behind the groundbreaking Morningstar CDs from the 90s & early 2000s. * Working with Rick Joyner at Morningstar * What is encouraging and concerning about the worship movement

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Website: Potter School Haus * Website: Morningstar

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Show Sponsor #2 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Creating habits around physical health * Casey's journey into worship ministry * Hiking in Hollywood * What was special about Vineyard Worship in the 90s * The story behind the song Holy & Anointed One * The story behind the song Breathe * Marketing and the sovereignty of God * The influence of Come Now is The Time and Hungry records * Warnings for those involved in the worship movement * How the church has revolutionized the music industry * Why the phrase "an audience of one" is misplaced * The importance of Trinitarian, jazz, spontaneous fusion :)

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Podcast: The Ferment Podcast * Music: Hungryby Vineyard Music * Music: Come Now is the Time by Vineyard Music * Music: Sweet Merciesby David Ruis

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Show Sponsor #1 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * The writing of the song "Living Hope" * The album that inspired Tauren Wells * The power of the Church in musical development * The opportunity of making disciples in the local church * God's faithfulness in the midst of trying times * Staying faithful in every season * The challenge to never settle in songwriting * What it's like to write with Matt Redman

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Website: Tauren Wells * Website: Micah Tyler * Website: Phil Wickham

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Show Sponsor #1 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Challenging yourself as a worship leader * How to balance itinerant and local church ministry * Songwriting process

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Website: Bethel Music * Website: Casting Crowns * Website: Cochren & Co.

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Josh, Mark, & Michael? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Never practice the things you already know. Always be working on something that's a little too hard for you."

Leonard Jones

Show Sponsor #1 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Leonard's story of salvation * The curious story of Morningstar music * Challenges for the Worship community * How to play prophetic music * The power of practice * Why worship teams need to step up their intensity * Leonard's favorite instruments * Musical trends * Leonard's School, Revolution Worship School

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Website: Leonard Jones * Website: Revolution Worship School

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Leonard? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor #1 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Braising lamb and why it's awesome * Brock's journey of being an attorney and serving the worship community * The pros and cons of "the worship industry" * Why Brock created The Worship Music Industry Course * Moving beyond creating an album * The importance of clarity and unity between creative and executive pastors * Horror stories of local churches and worship recordings * You finished the album. Now what? * The importance of great marketing * How to frame your marketing

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Course: Worship Music Industry Course * Podcast: Brock Shinen

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Brock? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor #1 If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

Show Sponsor #2 Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Centernearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members. A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.

Maybe many of you use Planning Center to schedule your teams and organize your services. While that’s fantastic, it just scratches the surface of what PCO can do for you. If you’re looking to advance to Planning Center Ninja status, you need to use it as full church management software system. Planning Center provides Check-ins for your kids ministry, an online giving system, managing people and small groups, event registrations, resources, music stand, and a mobile app for your congregation. Crazy right?

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Brian's testimony and battle with anxiety * Why the book was written * Parenting children through anxiety * Going deep with God in corporate worship * The power of simple, vertical worship songs * How God doesn't waste any part of your story

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Book: When God Becomes Real * Podcast: Mark Batterson

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

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Show Sponsor If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Tim's story of growing up in Tasmania * Worship trends of the last 25 years * What it means to "pastor" a room * The balance of vertical and horizontal leadership * How senior leaders can create a culture of "workjoy" in their teams * What a staff member can do when they feel like they're in a toxic culture * Creative ideas from healthy, thriving cultures * The Worship Experience Gathering in Colorado

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * The Worship Experience Gathering

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Music: Unveil by Jon Egan * Podcast: Jon Egan on The Desperation Band, Miracles, God Songs, & Replacing Yourself * Music: People by Hillsong UNITED

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It's always a treat to talk with Jon Egan. Jon has been the Worship Pastor at New Life Church in Colorado Springs for 18 years. For so many years he's written incredible songs for the church like I Am Free, Overcome, and so many others. His new record "Unveil" is one of my favorites over the last couple years.

In this conversation we talk about longevity in ministry, the heart behind the album, leading with strength and vulnerability, and so much more.

Enjoy!

Show Sponsor If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to nathan@zamarinstruments.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Jon's 18 year journey at New Life Church * The background of Jon's new album, "Unveil" * Why worship artists are simplifying and getting back to the basics * Vulnerability with our gifts * Why staying steady is more important than staying fresh

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments] * Music: Unveilby Jon Egan * Podcast: Jon Egan on The Desperation Band, Miracles, God Songs, & Replacing Yourself * Music: People by Hillsong UNITED

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

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There was a book I read in college that challenged me deeply. It was called Thriving As an Artist in the Church. It was pastoral, wise, and carried compassion for both artists and pastors.

Then I went on to read a prior book called The Heart of the Artist. Both books were by this guy Rory Noland. And today we have the privilege of hearing from this legend.

We talk church, contemplative worship, spiritual formation, leading artists, and more.

Straight fire!

Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.
No matter the size of your church, there’s a Planning Center option for you. Trust me. There’s no better way to schedule and communicate with your team.

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * How Rory started as an artist and author * How to integrate spiritual formation into our worship ministries * How pastors and artists can work together * How young leaders can lead more effectively * Thoughts on contemplative worship * Leading more engaging worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Website: Heart of the Artist * Book: The Heart of the Artistby Rory Noland * Book: Thriving as an Artist in the Churchby Rory Noland * Book: Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership: Seeking God in the Crucible of Ministryby Ruth Barton * Book: Sacred Rhythms: Arranging Our Lives for Spiritual Transformationby Ruth Barton * Book: Invitation to Retreat: The Gift and Necessity of Time Away with Godby Ruth Barton

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Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.
No matter the size of your church, there’s a Planning Center option for you. Trust me. There’s no better way to schedule and communicate with your team.

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * The creation of a new instrument * The story behind the writing of Honest Worship * The 3 ways we have strayed from our "true north" in worship * The pros and cons of a worship industry * How to pursue a more God-centered approach to worship * The different type of songs and how they find their place in corporate worship * Why we need all the pronouns represented in our worship setlists

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Book: Honest Worship: From False Self to True Praiseby Manuel Luz * Book: Imagine That: Discovering Your Unique Role as a Christian Artistby Manuel Luz * The Walkabout Drum

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

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Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.
No matter the size of your church, there’s a Planning Center option for you. Trust me. There’s no better way to schedule and communicate with your team.

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Worship as discipleship * Why boredom isn't bad when it comes to worship * Leading yourself in worship * Weddings at a metaphor for worship * Why we shouldn't be scared of performance in worship * How to reinvent yourself as an artist * Why it's difficult to get a brilliant song in a co-writing environment * The meaning behind "The Work" * "First feedback bias" and what that means for songwriting * Songwriting process * Why Christian music is getting better and not worse

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: The Work Vol. 1by Elias Dummer * Website: Elias Dummer * Book: This is Your Brain on Musicby Daniel Leviten * Book: The Power of Habitby Charles Duhigg * Book: Atomic Habitsby James Clear * Website: James K.A. Smith * Podcast: Elias Dummer on Serving the Kingdom, The City Harmonic, & Entrepreneurship

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I've wanted to have Amanda Cook on the podcast for such a long time. Well friends, that time is now.

This has got to be in the top 5 favorite interviews I've ever done. There's a lot of depth to Amanda's creative process and also the recent journey she has walked through. I told her this was like a "therapy session for worship leaders."

We talk about the new album, lyric writing, grief, depression, books, songs, and more. So good!

Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.
No matter the size of your church, there’s a Planning Center option for you. Trust me. There’s no better way to schedule and communicate with your team.

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * A few of Amanda's favorite things * How to foster deeper, more meaningful lyrics * The pressure to write worship songs * Vulnerability in worship * Approaching worship leading with wonder * Grief, anxiety, and healing * Spontaneous worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: House on a Hillby Amanda Lindsey Cook * Book: Walking on Water: Reflections on Faith & Artby Madeleine L'Engle * Book: The Book of Awakeningby Martin Nepo * Book: Let Your Life Speak: Listening to the Voice of Vocationby Parker J. Palmer * Book: The Right to Write: An Invitation and Initiation Into the Writing Lifeby Julia Cameron

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Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.
No matter the size of your church, there’s a Planning Center option for you. Trust me. There’s no better way to schedule and communicate with your team.

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Pace of life and new seasons * Songwriting process and productivity * The art of celebrating wins * The new album Coveredand why it's important * Overcoming anxiety through worship * The upcoming Hillsong United tour * The intersection of Pro Tools, Logic, & Ableton

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Coveredby Mack Brock * Music: Greater Thingsby Mack Brock * Interview: Crowder on Shaking Up the Creative Process, Holy Ghost Songs, & Airplane Conversations * Ableton Push

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Mack? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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I’m always so moved by what God is doing with the Passion Movement. For over 20 years, Louie Giglio and the team has called a generation to pursue Jesus with abandon.

Kristian Stanfill and I catch up and talk about Passion 2019, songwriting habits of the Passion team, revival, and stories of what God is doing.

So good!

Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.
No matter the size of your church, there’s a Planning Center option for you. Trust me. There’s no better way to schedule and communicate with your team.

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Highlights from Passion 2019 * What Kristian does with Passion City Church * The mission of Passion * The songwriting process of Passion * How to maintain momentum as a songwriter

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Follow You Anywhere by Passion

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Kristian? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Center nearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.
No matter the size of your church, there’s a Planning Center option for you. Trust me. There’s no better way to schedule and communicate with your team.

Planning Center is offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * The backstory of Catch the Fire * Why we've gotten away from encounterand how to get back * Practical ways to introduce encountermoments into Sunday morning song sets * The backstory behind Catch the Fire's new album * How to collaborate with different leaders from around the world

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: Presenceby Catch the Fire * Website: Jason Upton

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Chris? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor Is there a worship team tool you can’t live without? For me, that’s Planning Center. I remember the days of excel spreadsheets and phone calls trying to nail down who was going to be available for Sunday. When we switched to Planning Centernearly 10 years ago, it changed the game for us. All of a sudden, we had an all-in-one solution for scheduling our teams, coordinating schedules, communicating about weekend details, and getting responses from band members.

A week doesn’t go by where I don’t use Planning Center.
No matter the size of your church, there’s a Planning Center option for you. Trust me. There’s no better way to schedule and communicate with your team.

Planning Centeris offering a 30 day FREE trial so you can see for yourself how amazing this service is. After the 30 days are up, pricing all depends on the size of your church. I can say it’s worth the investment of every penny. It’s an easy, low cost solution that yields incredible results.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * How David got into music * Reflections on All Sons & Daughters * New seasons and new music * Dealing with insecurity and fear as an artist * The single key to being a great producer

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Planning Center * Music: The Waitby David Leonard * Instagram: @davidleonardmusic

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

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It's hard to listen to Lindy Conant and not be stirred to action. She has a fire in her bones for the Kingdom of God and spreading a passion for Him across the nations.

This interview is simple: we talk about the new record, foster care, avoiding the comparison trap, and running after all that God has. Prepare to be stirred!

Show Sponsor If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to heritagewoodindiana@gmail.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Lindy's journey into worship ministry and following Jesus * Understanding and applying the Bible * The music of YWAM * The Conant's journey into adoption * The story behind "Circuit Riders" * The lie of comparison * Knowing who you're called to run with

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Music: Driven by Loveby Lindy and the Curcuit Riders * Podcast: Bob Fitts on Keeping Jesus First, Worship Around the World, & The Worship Leader as a Storyteller * Podcast: David Garrett on Worship Music in the 60s, Scripture in Song, & Being Led by the Holy Spirit

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Lindy? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to heritagewoodindiana@gmail.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * The systems and structure of Highlands Worship * How to lead a worship ministry across 19 campuses * The value of doing frequent auditions for your team * Creating a culture of discipleship * What it's like to have a worship team of 900 team members * Stepping up your communication and utilizing Planning Center * How to structure a songwriting retreat * The value of electric drums and amp modeling for worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Music: Highlands Worship * Book: Inside the Hit Factory * Roland Electronic Drums * Nord Stage 2 * Nord Stage 3 * Kemper Rackmount Modeler * Axe Effects * Fractal

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with John & Chris? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Show Sponsor If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast to get 15% off your guitar. Or just shoot an email to heritagewoodindiana@gmail.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * Jonathan's journey into worship music and the music industry * What makes a great worship song * How to find new songs * The tension of over-dependance on worship songs * Advice for aspiring songwriters

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Zamar Instruments * Website: Worship Together * Website: Essential Worship * Website: Word Worship * Website: The Church Will Sing * Music: Faith & Wonderby Meredith Andrews * Podcast: An Interview with Meredith Andrew & Jacob Sooter * Instagram: @wordworshipmusic

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Jonathan? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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I love this conversation with my new friend, Nikki Lerner. It's important on so many levels. Multicultural worship isn't just a matter of preference and opinion. It's Biblical and a reflection of God's heart.

We talk about what that looks like, creativity, true humility (it's not what you think), songs for church, and more.

Prepare to be stirred!

Show Sponsor If you’re a musician, you know there’s nothing like a well built, inspiring instrument. A great instrument is an inspiration itself, beyond just the functionality and playability. That’s why it’s important to have an instrument that inspires you and holds up to your active lifestyle.

Let me introduce you to Zamar Instruments. Zamar builds custom guitars that are absolutely beautiful, but that also play and sound amazing. Zamar is an amazing small business, passionate about offering individualized attention to each instrument and client for a second-to-none experience. And for you Hebrew wizards out there, Zamar is an Old Testament word for praising the Lord on a stringed instrument.

All the guitars from Zamar are hand built but there is also the option of a custom built guitar that you design from the ground up. Head on over to zamarinstruments.com and mention the Beyond Sunday podcast in an email to heritagewoodindiana@gmail.com.

In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * The power of influence and inspiring others * Launching your own creative process * How to deal with negativity * The true definition of humility * The power of coaching and discipleship * Why you need to lead worship with your eyes open * How to gain confidence and connect with people in the room * Why we need to be intentional about creating multicultural communities * How to navigate music choice in a multicultural space * Why your church ministry shouldn't be your only musical outlet

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor:Zamar Instruments * Website: Nikki Lerner * Music: Labyrinthby David Baloche

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

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Show Sponsor #1 This Episode is brought to you by The Black Box Vault from Halo Systems, experts in acoustics.

http://blackboxvaults.com

Have you ever struggled to properly mic an electric guitar amp? In order to get the best tone, you need to crank the volume to get the breakup you’re looking for. But for most places, it’s loud for the stage. So you mic it off stage and have to make multiple trips to get the right sound. Not anymore.

Allow me to introduce Black Box Vaults. The Vault Isolation cabinet is the perfect solution of controlled stage volume, accessible amp controls, and giving the sound engineer full mix control. What I love about The Vault is the high quality construction. You’ve never seen an iso cab made this well. Plus, you can choose your own speaker, from the Celestion GH-12, Celestion Blue, or the ToneTubby Purple Haze. And they each come loaded with your choice of an SM57 or MD421.

Most iso cabs are simply lined with foam. The Vault has an inner tone chamber that is meticulously designed for the best tone possible.

Head on over to blackboxvaults.com and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY for 20% off your purchase. That is nearly $500 off. This discount won’t last forever.

Show Sponsor #2 This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode, You'll Hear More About: * How to find time to read * The art of writing songs in the midst of chaotic environments * Andy's spiritual upbringing * Why it's ludicrous to turn your back on the church because of "hypocrites" * The definition of a Worship Leader * What activities a Worship Leader should invest their time in * Why we need to expand what "congregational worship songs" are * Andy's hopes for his upcoming new record * The problem with celebrity artists and the Worship industry

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Black Box Vaults * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Instagram: @andysquyres * Music: Cherry Blossomsby Andy Squyres * Book: The Seeds of Manby Woody Guthrie * Book: Jayber Crowby Wendell Berry * Music: Sandra McCracken * Music: Taylor Leonhardt * Music: Andrew Peterson * Music: Vineyard Music

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Andy? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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In This Episode You'll Hear More About: * The power of coaching * How to find your sweet spot as an older person in ministry * Strengths of the next generation * The curse of technology and what it means for this generation * Why the church is stuck creatively...and what to do about it * How to lead artists well * Coaching Circles with Slingshot Group

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Black Box Vaults * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Book: Falling Upwardby Richard Rohr * Article: How to Configure Your iPhone to Work for You, Not Against You * Book: Sacred Pathways: Discover Your Souls Path to Godby Gary Thomas

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Nancy? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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In this Episode You'll Hear More About: * The Miller's journey into adoption * The power of YouTube for ministry * Reflections on worship music across the last 20 years * Having patience & compassion for your congregation * Overcoming a critical spirit * Using Spotify & YouTube for finding new songs * The power of monthly Team Nights * The challenge of recruiting * Tips for one on one discipleship in your team

Resources Mentioned * Show Sponsor: Black Box Vaults * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * YouTube: Grace for the Millers * Music: Behold by Stephen Miller * Website: Planning Center * Website: Playback by Multitracks * Book: Worship Leaders We Are Not Rockstars by Stephen Miller * Book: Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem

Show Sponsor #1 This Episode is brought to you by The Black Box Vault from Halo Systems, experts in acoustics.

Have you ever struggled to properly mic an electric guitar amp? In order to get the best tone, you need to crank the volume to get the breakup you’re looking for. But for most places, it’s loud for the stage. So you mic it off stage and have to make multiple trips to get the right sound. Not anymore.

Allow me to introduce Black Box Vaults. The Vault Isolation cabinet is the perfect solution of controlled stage volume, accessible amp controls, and giving the sound engineer full mix control. What I love about The Vault is the high quality construction. You’ve never seen an iso cab made this well. Plus, you can choose your own speaker, from the Celestion GH-12, Celestion Blue, or the ToneTubby Purple Haze. And they each come loaded with your choice of an SM57 or MD421.

Most iso cabs are simply lined with foam. The Vault has an inner tone chamber that is meticulously designed for the best tone possible.

Head on over to blackboxvaults.com and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY for 20% off your purchase. That is nearly $500 off. This discount won’t last forever.

Show Sponsor #2 This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

Subscription Links * Subscribe via iTunes * Subscribe via Stitcher * Subscribe via RSS

Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Stephen? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Today we welcome guitar extraordinaire Michael Pope to the podcast. Michael has played on numerous Bethel Music recordings and has traveled the globe, doing ministry with the Bethel team.

He has nice guitars. And pedals. And amps. But he’s also a great player and an even better human. We talk about all things creativity, guitars, pedals, amps, practice, coffee, and more.

Enjoy!

In This Episode, You’ll Hear More About: * The best coffee in Redding, CA * How Michael got started playing guitar * The tension between talent and hard work * The key to improving on your instrument. * The power of a creative process and schedule * Approaching worship music as a genre * Purchasing gear on a budget * Michael’s favorite records he’s worked on * Michael’s current pedal board chain

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Black Box Vaults * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Website: Coffeebar * Website: Veritas Guitars * Website: Goodwood Audio * Gear: RJM Switcher * Gear: Zvex SHO * Gear: Benson Preamp * Gear: Pog 2 * Gear: Death by Audio Evil Filter * Gear: Vertex Arion Chorus * Gear: Keeley Compressor Pro * Gear: Walrus Monument * Gear: Earthquaker Aqueduct * Gear: GFI Specular Tempus * Gear: Meris Mercury 7 * Gear: Sonic Research Tuner * Gear: Mini Fractal Volume Pedal * Gear: Mission Engineering Expressionator

Show Sponsor #1 This Episode is brought to you by The Black Box Vault from Halo Systems, experts in acoustics.

http://blackboxvaults.com

Have you ever struggled to properly mic an electric guitar amp? In order to get the best tone, you need to crank the volume to get the breakup you’re looking for. But for most places, it’s loud for the stage. So you mic it off stage and have to make multiple trips to get the right sound. Not anymore.

Allow me to introduce Black Box Vaults. The Vault Isolation cabinet is the perfect solution of controlled stage volume, accessible amp controls, and giving the sound engineer full mix control. What I love about The Vault is the high quality construction. You’ve never seen an iso cab made this well. Plus, you can choose your own speaker, from the Celestion GH-12, Celestion Blue, or the ToneTubby Purple Haze. And they each come loaded with your choice of an SM57 or MD421.

Most iso cabs are simply lined with foam. The Vault has an inner tone chamber that is meticulously designed for the best tone possible.

Head on over to blackboxvaults.com and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY for 20% off your purchase. That is nearly $500 off. This discount won’t last forever.

Show Sponsor #2 This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

Subscription Links * Subscribe via iTunes * Subscribe via Stitcher * Subscribe via RSS

Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Michael? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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What a treat to welcome Meredith Andrew and her husband Jacob Sooter to the podcast…together! If you don’t know Meredith Andrews, she is a wonderful worship leader, songwriter, and vocalist based out of The Belonging in Nashville, TN. Her husband Jacob is an incredible producer in his own right.

And this interview covers the spectrum. We go deep into Meredith’s new project Faith and Wonder and discuss the heart of the project as well as talk production, how to create a great pad sound, keyboards, creative process, songwriting, and best practices for a live recording.

So good!

Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Managing the tension of parenting and ministry * The science behind pads * What makes a great pad sound * Creative process and productivity * Why Jacob & Meredith decided on a live project for Faith and Wonder * Special moments from the live recording * The tension between pleasing your congregation and pleasing God * Best practices if you want to do a live recording * When to write a lot of songs and when to hone in your ideas * Why some great worship songs don’t work in your church

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Faith & Wonder by Meredith Andrews * Podcast: Meredith Andrews on Vertical Worship, Songwriting, & Balancing Family & Ministry * Website: Meredith Andrews * Instagram: @meremusic * Instagram: @jacobsooter

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Persistence is the difference.” – Krissy Nordhoff

Click to Listen Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode, You’ll Discover: * Health, wellness, & essential oils (yep) * The discipline of creating * Developing confidence in your calling * How Krissy realized her gift for songwriting * The power of cowriting * The 5 songwriting categories – which are you? * Women in Worship * The story behind “Your Great Name”, Krissy’s first published song

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Website: krissynordhoff.com * Songwriting Test * Course: Worship Songwriter Mentorship * Podcast: Corey Voss on Being a Worship Pastor, Writing Melody, & Spontaneous Worship

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I started in my dorm room. Sometimes we would worship for a few hours. Sometimes we would go the whole night.” – Sean Feucht

What I love about this interview with Sean Feucht (and Sean’s new record) is the lesson that a fiery passion for Jesus is something that needs continual cultivation. If not, Christianity can slip into a maintenance of rules and regulations where our lives look no different than the world around us.

Sean’s passion inspires me. And I hope you’re inspired as well. His new record, Wild, is a raw, live worship experience that is in no hurry when it comes to the presence of God.

In this interview we talk about Sean’s ministry to the nations, songwriting, and the new record. While this is a shorter interview, it packs a lot in just a few minutes.

Enjoy!

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Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Updates on the Bethel Music Tour * How Sean was called into ministry * How to grow in spontaneous worship * Tips for creating a strong, prophetic worship culture in your team * Songwriting process

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Wild by Sean Feucht * Website: Sean Feucht

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A conversation with Crowder is equal parts hilarious and riveting. For the last 18 years, he has written songs that have helped us connect with God, while pushing the limits of creativity. His new record I Know a Ghost is no different.

I think it could be the best album from a Christian artist this year. But I’ll leave that up to the professionals.

This interview was so much fun. We talk about the creative process, rediscovering the heart of songwriting, coloring books (again), and more.

Enjoy!

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Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * David’s coloring book confession * A different approach to songwriting * Working with beats/tracks * The musical vision of I Know A Ghost * The power of language * How to communicate with anyone about the profession of Church Music

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: I Know a Ghost by Crowder * Music: American Prodigal by Crowder * Music: Neon Steeple by Crowder

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Crowder? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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I remember writing in my journal, ‘I will never be a Christian.'” – Austin French

So fun to welcome Austin French to the podcast. Austin is a worship leader and a new singer/songwriter to the CCM scene. I particularly loved Austin’s story of how he came to faith after being so hurt by the church.

We talk about the new record, leading worship, songwriting, and more.

Enjoy!

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Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * What recovery can teach us about worship * Austin’s new record * Songwriting and the power of collaboration * Leading worship

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Wide Open by Austin French

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Great to welcome Mack Brock back to the podcast. Mack is an incredible worship leader, songwriter, and producer. Formerly from Elevation Worship, Mack has embarked on a new season in his life.

In this episode, we talk all about that transition, working at Elevation, new seasons, songwriting, song stories, working with Rita Springer, Ableton Live, and more.

Enjoy!

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Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * New seasons * How Do it Again has been an anthem for Mack * Why worship leaders need to lead with authority * The story behind Mack’s transition from Elevation Church * Trusting God in the midst of doubt and uncertainty * Moving out of the producer’s chair * Using Ableton Live for creativity, not just a utility

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Greater Things by Mack Brock * Podcast: Phil Wickham on the Songwriting Process * Software: Ableton Live

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There’s always trends, but a good instrument, played well, with a good melody, will almost always be relevant.” – John Mark McMillan

There’s something inspiring about sitting down with a seasoned songwriting veteran in his prime. John Mark McMillan is a legend with no signs of slowing down. His music keeps getting better.

My first interview with John Mark was one of my favorites of all time. His perspective on creativity, honesty, and a flat-out love for music is so inspiring. And this conversation doesn’t disappoint.

We talk about his new projects, upcoming projects, metaphorical vs direct songwriting, new instruments, touring, and so much more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Staying busy and productive as an artist. * What JMM would have done if music didn’t work out. * The creative process behind the new record Mercury & Lightning * What is was like to work with producer Gabriel Wilson * An instrument called a guqin and why it inspired the new record. * The power of abstract and very direct lyrics. * Why JMM decided to do the Mercury Sessions & the Lightning Sessions. * What is next for JMM and his new projects. * The tension between writing worship songs and singer/songwriter songs. * Songwriting gear setup.

Resources Mentioned: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Website: John Mark McMillan * Music: Mercury & Lightning by John Mark McMillan * Music: The Medicine 10th Anniversary Edition by John Mark McMillan * Music: The Mercury Sessions * Music: The Lightning Sessions * Podcast: Music Production, Songwriting, & Moving Gods Heart: An Interview with Gabriel Wilson * Podcast: Gabriel Wilson on Being a Pro Musician, Intentional Practice, & Creativity in the Church

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When it comes to finding great songs for church, look no further than Phil Wickham. Phil’s songs have a theological depth and pop sensibility that get stuck in your head like no other. His new record, Living Hope, might be his best yet.

So I wanted to bring Phil on the show to talk about his journey, running, his local church, songwriting, and whatever else we talk about. It’s a good one, folks.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The litmus test for a great song. * The story behind the writing of Living Hope. * What it takes to write great songs. * Casting a vision for the songs you write. * Phil’s gear and home songwriting setup. * The intersection between songwriter, artist, & producer.

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Living Hope by Phil Wickham * Gear: Apollo Twin by Universal Audio * Gear: Manley Reference Cardioid Microhpone

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Phil? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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There’s something about Pat Barrett’s voice and songs that have a re-centering effect – they call us to focus on what matters. Listening to his music makes me want to pick up the pen and write with a similar honesty, depth, and melodic sensibility.

A lot has happened since Pat was on the show a few years ago. We talk about life transition, new songs, memes, instagram accounts, worship leading, and more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Embarrassing worship leader moments * The meaning of faith * The songwriting process of “Into Faith I Go” * Story behind the album production * Honesty and vulnerability in worship * A philosophy of spontaneous worship

Resources Mentioned: * Music: Pat Barrett * Podcast: Housefires Music, Intimate Worship, & Making Space for God in Your Gatherings * Podcast: Alisa Turner on Pain, Loss, & Singing Through it All * Music: Faith by Jason Upton * Instagram: @patbarrett

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Sometimes I wonder how the people who walk through the greatest sorrow have the most joy. And then I’m reminded that’s how God works. He’s faithful. He’s good. He doesn’t promise the road will be easy but He promises to satisfy our souls.

This is the story of Alisa Turner, a true fighter who has weathered so many storms and lived to sing about it. Her new record Miracle Or Not is a beautiful testament to God’s faithfulness.

In this interview we talk about all she’s gone through, the new record, cows (yes), and the goodness of God. If you’re feeling lost, alone, or without hope (or walking with someone who is), this is for you.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Alisa’s journey as a worship leader * Cows and running (yep) * How to worship while you wait for a miracle * Dealing with the pain of loss * The hustle of pursuing a career in the music industry * Dealing with the pain of sickness * How to improve as a worship leader and vocalist

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Website: Alisa Turner * Music: Miracle or Not by Alisa Turner

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There is no junior Holy Spirit. The same God that is the God of the adults is the God of the youth.” – Fred Vassallo

It was a treat to welcome Fred Vassallo on the podcast this week. Fred is the Creative Director of Bright Ones, the youth & kids extension of Bethel Music.

As a hip hop choreographer and dance instructor, he knows a lot about vision, creativity, and empowering young people.

To be honest, all my kids want to listen to his Bethel Kids. I’ll try to make them listen to my music, but still all they want…is Bethel Kids. Which is saying a lot. Fred has captured something special here. And the creativity is only beginning.

Click to Listen In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Fred’s journey with Bethel Music * How to foster creativity in kids * The power of dance * The rebranding from Bethel Kids to Bright Ones * How to help kids engage in worship * Creating a worship culture for kids * Why we need to create good music that connects to culture

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Music: Bright Ones * Music: Come Alive by Bethel Kids * Music: Bethel Music Kids Christmas Party * Instagram: @brightones_ * Website: bethelmusic.com/brightones

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This is an urgent call for worship leaders to drop their idea of fame and glory and get on their face and seek God. He’ll use that more than a pretty voice.” – Harvest Bashta

A record that I have been playing a lot of is Harvest Bashta’s Preachers. There’s something about the simply, rich vibe that draws me in and calls me to attention. It’s delicate, yet bold. Easy, yet intense.

I wanted to get Harvest on the show to talk about her experience as a worship leader and songwriter. The answers were surprising. Don’t miss this one!

Click to Listen In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Why singing isn’t enough * What we need more of in our singers & worship leaders * The influence of Rita Springer on Harvest’s sound & calling * Production thoughts – why Harvest’s record is quiet and contemplative * Why every song you write should also be a sermon

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Music: Preachers by Harvest * Podcast: Introducing the Beyond Sunday Podcast: An Interview with Daniel Bashta * Podcast: Daniel Bashta on Timeless Truth, Dreaming Through Disappointment, & Becoming More Fascinated by God * Instagram @harvestbashta

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I am a fan of cheap breakfast. I am not a fan of the gourmet, 16 doller, grass-fed french toast.” – Jen Ledger

Click to Listen Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In this Episode You’ll Learn About: * How Jen developed confidence at such a young age, after joining Skillet at 17 years old. * Jen’s secret, favorite breakfast spot. * What it takes to be a musician artists want to hire. * The best way to stay healthy in the midst of a grueling schedule. * Why Jen decided to launch out on a new solo career. * Cultivating a passion for the Kingdom of God beyond pursuing a dream.

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Ledger EP * Music: Rise by Skillet * Twitter: @jenledger * Instagram: @jenledger

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God doesn’t want you to write songs to bless the Church, he wants you to write songs to spend time with you.” – Andi Rozier

I love Andi Rozier and what he has built with Vertical Worship. Vertical is an extension of the worship ministry at Harvest Bible Chapel in Chicago and for years, Andi has lead the charge.

His team leads so strong and writes some of the best songs for the church. This is a reflection on Andi and his leadership. He empowers others. He loves the church. He pastors. He loves people. This is what is needed out of our worship pastors. We can’t just have a passion for writing songs and making music. We need to love the people.

And Andi challenges us in this interview where we discuss leading a team, gaining momentum, writing songs, and more.

Enjoy!

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Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Andi’s journey of worship & worship leading * Why the worship ministry isn’t the discipleship ministry of the church * Tips for multisite worship departments * The “It” factor that makes song easy to learn

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live from Coresound * Music: Bright Faith Bold Future by Vertical Worship * Podcast: Creating a Culture of Collaboration: An Interview with Vertical Church Band * Podcast: How to Build and Lead an Effective Worship Set with Vertical Church Band * Twitter: @andirozier * Twitter: @verticalworship

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If songs are catechisms for our lives, we need to write better ones.” – Keith Getty

For years, Keith Getty has written hymns for the modern church. One of Getty’s best-loved songs, In Christ Alone, is still one of my favorite songs to sing with the people of God.

Keith and his wife Kristyn have traveled the world sharing songs and stirring up a spirit of true worship in the Church.

Here in this interview we discuss the Getty’s music ministry, writing hymns, the new book, the power of congregational singing, how to engage your church, rugby (yep), and more!

Seriously so much depth comes from this man. And maybe just a few things that will disrupt and challenge your thinking. The best kind of podcast, in my opinion.

Enjoy!

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Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Why congregational singing is so important * The importance of singing in the life of a believer * The problem with a lot of modern worship * How to encourage congregational singing * Tips for writing hymns * Why we may need to write less songs & introduce less songs in church

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Book: Sing: How Worship Transforms Your Life, Family, & Church by Keith Getty * Website: Gettymusic.com * Instagram: gettymusic

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There’s very rarely a musical emergency.” – Seth Mosley

So great to have Seth Mosley back on the podcast. Seth is a Grammy-winning producer and one of the most sought-out songwriters in Christian music.

In this interview we talk about Seth’s Company, Full Circle Music, and all that is going on there in terms of songwriting, producing, publishing, and more.

What I love most about Seth is his heart for equipping artists. He and his team are constantly training and pouring into others.

Don’t miss this!

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Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * How to optimize your schedule for maximum productivity * How to work less hours and be more productive in the music business * The importance of self-education * The power of co-writing * How to make your songs more commercial * The drive for excellence and servanthood

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live * Website: Full Circle Music * Book: Song Maps: A New System to Write Your Best Lyrics by Simon Hawkins * Book: Writing Better Lyrics: The Essential Guide to Powerful Songwriting by Pat Pattison * Podcast: Seth Mosley on Songwriting, Producing, & Personal Development * Podcast: Made it in Music Podcast * Instagram: @officialfcmusic * Twitter: @officialfcmusic

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Could it be that it is our calling is to reveal the secret things of God to our brethren?” – George MacDonald

I love those songwriters who remind me of the power of a song. In a culture obsessed with quick, catchy, & easy, it’s refreshing to hear songs of substance that make you think, feel deeply, and help you worship.

I, for one, am grateful for Andrew Peterson. In this interview we discuss his songwriting process, self-doubt, insecurity, moviemaking, the new record, and more!

This is one of my favorites.

Enjoy!

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Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Behind the scenes of making a feature film * The difference between the songwriting and book writing process * How constraints cause your creativity to thrive * How to combat feelings of self doubt as an artist. * The story of the Resurrection Letters projects * The place of lament in corporate worship

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Resurrection Letters Volume 1 by Andrew Peterson * Music: Resurrection Letters: Prologue EP by Andrew Peterson * Website: Andrew Peterson * Book: The Wingfeather Saga Book 1 * Book: The Wingfeather Saga Book 2 * Video: The Wingfeather Saga Short Film * Book: My Name is Asher Lev by Chaim Potok * Book: Surprised by Hope by N.T. Wright * Book: A Sacred Sorrow by Michael Card & Eugene Peterson

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I love those conversations that leave you feeling convicted. Challenged. Called higher.

After talking with Steffany Gretzinger I had to repent of my apathy. This girl is a bright flame for the glory of God. And her new music isn’t half bad either

We talk about the new album, stage presence, parenting, songwriting, mending relationships, and more.

This is so, so good!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * What parenting has taught Steffany about God & life * How to introduce your child to Jesus * The truth about stage presence * The struggle behind the making of the new album, Blackout * Relational struggle and how to fight for love * Steffany’s influences

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Blackout by Steffany Gretzinger * Book: The Jesus Storybook Bible * Video: Steffany Gretzinger Live Concert * Podcast: Steffany Gretzinger on God’s Presence, Leading Yourself in Worship, & the New Album * Twitter: @steffgretz * Instagram: @steffanydawn

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We continually try to put the cross in front of people.” – Melodie Malone

Any chance I get to talk to anyone from the Passion movement is a good day. I love this ministry and how they’ve led the next generation to abandon for Jesus for so many years.

This podcast is a chat with Brett Younker & Melodie Malone from the Passion Band. We talk about the new record, Whole Heart, as well as leading youth in worship, favorite songs, shepherding people, Passion 2018, and more.

Some serious heart stuff in here, my friends. Get ready!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The best brunch spots in Atlanta * Brett & Melodie’s journey into leading worship * The difference between leading songs & leading people * How to break the consumerist mindset in corporate worship * Highlights from Passion 2018 * Tips for leading youth in worship

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Whole Heart by Passion * Website: Passion Music * Website: Superica * Website: West Egg Cafe * Podcast: Louie Giglio on Killing Giants, Passion, & the Trap of the Stage * Podcast: Kristian Stanfill on the Passion Movement, Leading Worship, & Fighting for Songs

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The grave became the stage for Heaven’s glory.” – Cory Asbury

The best artists are those whose story isn’t just the writing of a great song, but a life lived for something more. Cory Asbury is one of those artists.

He lives a real life in God, loves his family, and faithfully serves Jesus even though he’s written the biggest song in Christian music right now.

In this interview we talk about the whole album Reckless Love, songwriting, being a Father, God-encounter stories, and how he’s grown as a worship leader. So, so good.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The importance of humility * The story of how Cory arrived at IHOP * Three words that changed Cory’s life * How being a Father has influenced the new record * Why the music production sounds the way it does * Cory’s favorite songs * The discipline of songwriting * The momentum of Reckless Love

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Reckless Love by Cory Asbury * Instagram: @coryasbury * Twitter: @coryasbury * Facebook: @coryasburymusic * Website: Radiant Church

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What a treat to welcome Chris Brown & Jane Williams from Elevation Worship. Chris has been on the podcast before and many of you know him as one of the lead voices of Elevation Worship. Jane, once an intern with Elevation – under Chris – is now overseeing the discipling and leading of worship leaders at Elevation Church.

In this episode we talk about the new Elevation Collective album, reading books as a team, devos, vulnerability, favorite songs, and more.

This is DEEP stuff, but so good for the soul.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor This episode is brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Heart lessons about worship * Reading books as a worship team * How Elevation is doing discipleship as a worship department * The 5 A’s of Elevation’s team culture * Why we need to be more vulnerable * The backstory of Elevation Collective * Chris & Jane’s favorite Elevation songs to lead * The truth behind diversity in worship

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Pads Live App by Coresound * Music: Evidence by Elevation Collective * Book: The Ragamuffin Gospel by Brennan Manning * Book: The Furious Longing of God by Brennan Manning * Book: Battlefield of the Mind by Joyce Meyer * Book: 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey * Book: The Gifts of Imperfection by Brene Brown

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If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

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Well I’m especially excited today because our new record from Allison Park Worship, Here & Now, is released! So ready for these songs to reach your ears and your hearts.

To celebrate the release, I sat down with the Experiences Director at Allison Park Church, my good friend Brendon Robinson, to talk about the process of making this record.

Hopefully you’ll take away some tips for your own projects in regards to mic’ing drums, getting good bass tone, specific gear to use, best practices, and more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor #1 This episode is brought to you by Elevation Collective, a special new project featuring Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Israel Houghton, Travis Greene, Tye Tribbett, Kierra Sheard, and The Walls Group.

It’s rare for a weekend to go by where I don’t lead a song by Elevation Worship. Their songs are rooted in the life of the local church and are straight up powerful declarations of truth. And this new record breathes such life into some of their best songs like Here as in Heaven, Do it Again, O Come to the Altar, Resurrecting, and more.

Be sure to download “Evidence” on iTunes today!

Show Sponsor #2 This episode is also brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * How to optimize your sound system with the gear you have * Why you need to “work the source” with your system * Mics you need for live recordings * How to mic a drum kit. * Using drum samples. * How to get solid bass tone. * The importance of introducing original songs to your church. * How to make the live recording process for a church smoother.

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Elevation Collective * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Here & Now by Allison Park Worship * Website: Brendon Robinson * Website: Allison Park Worship * Gear: DPA D:facto Mic * Gear: Lectrosonics wireless mics * Gear: Yamaha TF series consoles * Software: That Sound Drum Samples * Software: Trigger by Steven Slate

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Honored to have my good friends Brad & Rebekah Bichsel on the show today. Brad & Rebekah travel the world, leading worship & equipping worship teams.

But this interview is about so much more than music. Sure, we talk about their great new record but the story behind it is even more compelling. They interviewed over 50 senior pastors, asking them the question, “What do our songs need?” From there they went to the writers room to collaborating with many songwriters. The sole desire? To serve the church.

So we talk about that process, but also coffee, networking, songwriting, and more. Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor #1 This episode is brought to you by Elevation Collective, a special new project featuring Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Israel Houghton, Travis Greene, Tye Tribbett, Kierra Sheard, and The Walls Group.

It’s rare for a weekend to go by where I don’t lead a song by Elevation Worship. Their songs are rooted in the life of the local church and are straight up powerful declarations of truth. And this new record breathes such life into some of their best songs like Here as in Heaven, Do it Again, O Come to the Altar, Resurrecting, and more.

Be sure to download “Evidence” on iTunes today!

Show Sponsor #2 This episode is also brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Brad’s top 3 coffee shops in the US (and beyond). * The balance between dreaming and getting stuff done. * What pastors want their worship leaders & songwriters to know. * The power of boundaries & parameters in songwriting. * How to be a good networker. * Choosing ministry opportunities based on what God wants, not what we want.

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Elevation Collective * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Sound of Heaven by Brad & Rebekah * Website: Brad & Rebekah * Website: Mad Cap Coffee * Website: Intelligentsia Venice * Website: Stereoscope Coffee * Website: John Smith Coffee

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If I could tell young worship leaders one thing, it’s “Don’t be afraid” – Corey Voss

So great to have Corey Voss on the podcast this week. Corey is a Worship Pastor at Gateway Church in Shelbyville, TN and a worship leader/songwriter with Integrity Music.

We get practical in this chat – rehearsal tips, to audition or not to audition, melody writing, building momentum in your team, spontaneous worship, essential oils, and more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor #1 This episode is brought to you by Elevation Collective, a special new project featuring Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Israel Houghton, Travis Greene, Tye Tribbett, Kierra Sheard, and The Walls Group.

Available now is the brand new single, “Do It Again”- which I believe is one of the best worship songs as of late. If you haven’t led this song yet, you and your church is missing out. The song just helps faith to arise in the room and this new version with Travis Greene and Kierra Sheard is amazing.

Get “Do It Again” And make sure to pre-order “Evidence” on iTunes today!

Show Sponsor #2 This episode is also brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Advice for young worship leaders * The shift from being a worship leader to a worship director/pastor * The power of delegating * Using a talk back mic as a music director * How to lead your church and band in spontaneous worship * Building a culture of praise * Crafting melody * The power of boundaries in songwriting * Songwriting filters for church * To audition or not to audition?

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Elevation Collective * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Songs of Heaven & Earth by Corey Voss * Podcast: Crystal Yates on Leading With Compassion, Being Sent, & Vulnerability * Instagram: @coreyvoss * Twitter: @coreyvoss * Website: Gateway Shelbyville

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I needed something crazy. I needed something that would push my heart back into the Lord.” – Jon Thurlow

Jon Thurlow’s story is about doing whatever it takes to be close to Jesus. After getting his bachelor’s degree in Sacred Music from Nyack college, he found himself at the International House of Prayer with a choice to make. Was he going to pursue God with everything or fall away?

That’s when he joined the Fire in the Night team and began to pray through the watches of the night multiple times a week.

This is intense. But we need to be intense when it comes to Jesus. But also talk music, keys, the new album, songwriting, and more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor #1 This episode is brought to you by Elevation Collective, a special new project featuring Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Israel Houghton, Travis Greene, Tye Tribbett, Kierra Sheard, and The Walls Group.

Available now is the brand new single, “Do It Again”- which I believe is one of the best worship songs as of late. If you haven’t led this song yet, you and your church is missing out. The song just helps faith to arise in the room and this new version with Travis Greene and Kierra Sheard is amazing.

Get “Do It Again” And make sure to pre-order “Evidence” on iTunes today!

Show Sponsor #2 This episode is also brought to you by the Pads Live app from Coresound Pads.

Coresound Pads are my favorite pad loops on the market. If you’re looking for a way to raise the quality and sound of your worship team, this is probably the easiest way to do that.

And Coresound now has a powerful, easy-to-use pads-player app called PADS LIVE that helps you transform your worship service’s atmosphere INSTANTLY by downloading and playing their top-rated pad loops on the fly from your mobile device. This is an POWERFUL tool for worship leaders at any-size church.

If you go to PadsLive.com, you can link to download the app for FREE, which also comes with all of Coresound’s Pads in the key of D for free. You can let the pads loop infinitely, crossfade gently into the next pad or into silence, and build songs & playlists. And when you’re ready to unlock all 12 keys instead of just the key of D, you can purchase and download those pads directly within the app.

Now the app doesn’t take promo codes, BUT if you buy a Pads Bundle online from Coresound and use the promo code BEYONDSUNDAY, you’ll get an additional 20% off your purchase. And your online purchase WILL unlock those very same pads within the app, as well as let you download the 20-minute MP3s to use the pads elsewhere.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The power of active music listening * Reckless faith and doing whatever it takes to be close to Jesus * Joyful spiritual disciplines * How to not get bored in prayer * Why songs are simply on-ramps for encounter * What it was like working with producer Brown Bannister * Getting around people who are better than you

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Elevation Collective * Show Sponsor: Pads Live by Coresound * Music: Different Story by Jon Thurlow * Website: Jon Thurlow * Website: NYACK College * Website: International House of Prayer * Twitter: @jonmthurlow * Book: The Return of the Prodigal Son: A Story of Homecoming by Henri Nouwen * Book: In the Name of Jesus: Reflections on Christian Leadership by Henri Nouwen * Book: The Pleasures of God: Meditations on God’s Delight in Being God by John Piper

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Love those closest to you.” – Andy Park

One of my biggest influences as a young worship leader was Andy Park. Andy has been a worship leader in the Vineyard for over 40 years. He’s written well-known songs like In the Secret, We Will Dance, The River is Here, I See the Lord, Blessed Be the Name, We Will Ride, and countless others.

Andy continues to lead worship, teach, and travel after all these years. We talk all about the charismatic renewal, songwriting, getting older in ministry, and more. I truly enjoyed this.

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Reading and the benefit of crossing genres * What Andy learned as a Vineyard worship leader in the 90s * Andy’s thoughts as a modern worship songwriting pioneer * How the role of Worship Leader has evolved over the last few decades * Andy’s worship leader & songwriter influences * The charismatic renewal and what that meant for worship * Staying away from the “star” mentality * Find your voice and your influence as an older worship leader * Whether you need to modernize your sound as you get older

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Breville Espresso Machine * Book: Water My Soul by Lucy Shaw * Book: Worship, Community, & the Triune God of Grace by James Torrance * Website: Andy Park

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Andy? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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We’re not rockstars. We’re the furthest thing from it. We don’t even consider ourselves good musicians.” – Gareth Gilkeson

When I listen to Rend Collective, it makes me happy. There’s a contagious joy about their music and the fact that they’re having an incredible time doing what they do. I think worship teams have a lot to learn from these guys.

That’s why it’s such a privilege to welcome Gareth Gilkeson on to the show. This conversation was a ton of fun. First of all, because Gareth is hilarious. Second, his accent is better than mine. And third, he recorded this in a trampoline park with noisy, jumping children everywhere. It’s a recipe for awesomeness.

We talk about the band, celebration, laments in worship, running, creativity, the new record and more!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The origin story of Rend Collective * The similarities and differences between an Irish Pub & the Church * How Rend Collective was “discovered.” * How to help your church grow in celebration * Tips for how to open up a worship service * Creating room for laments in corporate worship * How Rend approaches creative direction * The dangers of comparison

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Good News by Rend Collective * Website: Rend Collective * Twitter: @rendcollective

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Gareth? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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My journey wasn’t about coming back to worship leading. It was about coming back to God.” – Jeremy Riddle

What I love most about this conversation with Jeremy Riddle is his unrelenting passion for God Himself, not just worship. Too many of us are chasing worship careers and have lost sight of what it means to chase God and God alone.

So prepare for your heart to be stirred. This is what it’s all about. Jeremy and I discuss getting older in ministry, the new album, Bethel Music, keeping your heart alive, splitting word (yes), and so much more.

If you need to be encouraged and challenged, don’t miss this!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Splitting wood * From Vineyard to Bethel: Jeremy’s journey as a worship leader * The tension between sing-ability and truth for songwriters. * How Jeremy landed on the artistic vision of the new record * The power of removing filters as a songwriter * The artists & records that have influenced Jeremy the most * Why you need to have depth with God.

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: More by Jeremy Riddle * Twitter: @jeremyriddle * Website: Bethel Music

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Jeremy? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Music has always been a very necessary part of my life.” – Sara Groves

It’s an honor to welcome one of my favorite songwriters to the show today. For years Sara has written honest, delicate, vulnerable songs.

In this interview we talk about the new record, Art House North, vulnerability, art, songwriting process, and more!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Fiber Art * How to keep your art fresh * Why artists have to deal with the inner critic * Why artists are called to be contemplative * The struggle of depression * Derek Webb and vulnerability in songwriting * Telling the truth * How Sara has grown in her lyric writing * When to be “straight on” and when to be more “artistic” as a writer * Why Sara’s Baldwin piano is so special to her * The influence of Charlie Peacock * The story & vision behind Troy & Sara’s Art House North

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Abide With Me by Sara Groves * Music: Floodplain by Sara Groves * Website: Art House North * Twitter: @grovesroad

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If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Sara? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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We need to create jobs that are realistic – where we don’t take advantage of people but we honor who they are.” – Monty Kelso

One of the ministries I’m super excited to be a part of is Slingshot Group. Slingshot is a non-profit organization that helps build remarkable teams through staffing and coaching. And today, we’re privileged to have Monty Kelso – president and co-founder – with us for an very insightful conversation.

Monty has worked with hundreds of churches over the years, coached young leaders, and is on the cutting edge of what it takes to build great teams and staff for the future.

In this chat we talk about loving your work, staff culture, building a pipeline of development, Slingshot Group, staffing, what churches need out of a Worship Pastor, and more.

Don’t miss this one!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The 1980’s transition from music ministry to worship ministry. * An overview of worship ministry in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, up to today. * The four buckets of hiring staff * Why you should never stop learning * What to focus when preparing for your next job * The importance of doing what scares you * How to develop a worship leader pipeline * The Lead Pastor/Worship Pastor relationship * The importance of communication and connectivity amongst your staff * How to help your team love their work

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Website: Slingshot Group * Twitter: @montykelso * Twitter: @slingshotgroup

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Monty? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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My favorite stories are the stories that highlight what only God can do. Not just stories of hard work and determination, but those that leave us saying, “God is amazing.” That’s why I love Micah Tyler’s story and how he pursued music full time.

Sure, there’s a lot of hard work. There’s talent. There’s drive. But there’s a dependency on God that is the foundation of it all.

We talk about trust, obedience, songwriting, baseball, sausage (yep), and lots more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Micah’s journey into music…at 27 years old. * The importance of stepping out in faith. * Stories behind the new songs. * Lessons from the road. * Baseball * Why you need to be faithful where you are. * Why closed doors can be more helpful than open doors.

Resources Mentioned in this Episode * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Different by Micah Tyler * Podcast: Matthew West * Twitter: @micahtylermusic * Website: Beasly’s Smokehouse Sausage

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If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Micah? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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I had half the talent but twice the drive.” – Matthew West

So many have the talent to succeed but do nothing about it. It takes drive, a vision, and a discipline to get things done over the long haul. That’s why I love this conversation with Matthew West.

Every artist needs to hear this. We talk about the hustle, viewing your art as a business, getting personal, the new record, and more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * How songwriting changed Matthew’s career * Why artists need to view their art as a small business * The power of hustle * What it takes for an artist to succeed * The power of specificity as a songwriter * What songwriters can learn from pop music

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: All In by Matthew West * Website: Matthew West * Podcast: Revisionist History by Malcolm Gladwell * Twitter: @matthewwest

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Your Feedback If you have an idea for a podcast you would like to see, a special guest you’d like to hear from, or a question for an upcoming episode, please email me.

If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Matthew? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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What a treat to welcome Joth Hunt & Sam Evans to the podcast. Planetshakers is celebrating 20 years of ministry and also the release of their new album, Legacy. I love this interview for so many reasons. It’s amazing to see what God does through a life that is completely surrendered. That is the story of Planetshakers.

Here we talk origins, creativity, leading multiple campuses, songwriting, gear, and God stories.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sonsor #1 This episode is sponsored by Coda Music Technologies. Coda, is a music gear company run by a fellow worship leader. Coda’s most recent release, the STOMP Bluetooth Page Turner is the industries’ most road-worthy and versatile Page Turner and app controller, designed to make turning chord charts and sheet music pages a thing of the past.

In addition to turning pages, STOMP will control pad loops, click tracks, and backing tracks and STOMP will charge your tablet or smart phone while you’re playing. Currently STOMP is live on Kickstarter with some incredible rewards but if you miss the Kickstarter deadline you can still get 20% using promo code “beyondsunday”.

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Show Sponsor #2 Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * The story of Planetshakers and how it was started * How to accomplish a big vision * The power of church planting * How the Creative ministry works across all the Planetshakers campuses * Why pushing creativity is important * The importance of curiosity in being creative * Production thoughts on the new record * What software instruments Planetshakers uses * How to grow your congregation in celebration and praise

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Code Music Technologies * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Legacy by Planetshakers * Videos: Planetshakers * Software: Komplete Bundle by Native Instruments * Software: Omnisphere by Spectrasonics * Twitter: @jothhunt * Twitter: @planetshakersam

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Worship should be an emotional experience as well. We should be worshiping with a soaring spirit and with our minds.” – Darren Whitehead

What an honor to have Darren Whitehead and Chris Tomlin on the podcast this week. Chris Tomlin is, well, Chris Tomlin and Darren Whitehead is the Lead Pastor of City Church in Nashville. Both have written a book together called Holy Roar: 7 Words that Will Change the Way You Worship. It’s a refreshing perspective to have both a veteran worship leader and a lead pastor discussing the nature of worship in the local church.

We discuss the book, praise, fast songs, growing your congregation in worship, and guarding against professionalism.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * How this book came about * The problem with connecting your level of worship with your personality * What it means to have a theology of praise * Why worship teams need to be expressive * How to help your congregation lean into praise and be more expressive * The top qualities of a good worship pastor

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Book: Holy Roar * Website: Holy Roar * Tour: Good Good Father Tour * Twitter: @christomlin * Twitter: @darrenwhitehead

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There’s a difference between leading aggressively and leading with authority.” – Christy Nockels

What a treat to welcome Christy Nockels back on the show. For years she has been an inspiration to worship leaders, vocalists, and women in ministry.

In this episode we talk about her ministry transition, the new record, leading with authority, identity, parenting, and more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Christy’s reflection on her experience with Passion * How to develop your voice and confidence as a singer/worship leader * The backstory behind the new record, Be Held: Lullabies for the Beloved * Why we need to release the room as worship leaders * Inviting our children into the journey of knowing God * The story behind Christy’s podcast

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Be Held: Lullabies for the Beloved by Christy Nockels * Podcast: Christy Nockels on Women in Worship, the Passion Movement, & Worshiping with Wonder * Podcast: Kristian Stanfill on the Passion Movement, Leading Worship, & Fighting for Songs * Website: Christy Nockels * Podcast: Glorious in the Mundane Podcast by Christy Nockels * Twitter: @christynockels * Music: Better is One Day by Passion

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If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

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You’re never going to impress someone into the arms of God.” – Matt Redman

For years, the ministry of Matt Redman has not only helped me lead worship, but love Jesus more. He has a way with words – saying the most profound truth with as few words as possible.

In this interview we talk about the new record, collaboration, performance versus presence, closeness with Jesus, creativity, and more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Soccer * Co-Writing * Uniting different styles together * What books are inspiring Matt * How to keep your heart fresh in ministry * The ultimate goal of corporate worship – professionalism or presence? * The tension between our actual and ideal circumstances * Staying close to Jesus in the busyness

Resources Mentioned in This Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Book: The Treasury of David by Charles Spurgeon * Book: As Kingfishers Catch Fire: A Conversation on the Ways of God Formed by the Words of God by Eugene Peterson * Book: Under the Unpredictable Plant: An Exploration in Vocational Holiness by Eugene Peterson * Book: A Long Obedience in the Same Direction: Discipleship in an Instant Society by Eugene Peterson

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Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Matt? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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Art comes from the imagination and when your imagination is surrendered to the Lord you’ll find yourself being way more creative than humanly possible.” – Kristene DiMarco

What a joy to welcome Kristene DiMarco to the podcast. For years, I’ve loved her songs and the artistic way she presents unchanging truth. Her new record is no exception.

In this conversation we talk all about art, design, trends, songwriting, hope, and so much more.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Kristene’s fascination with art & design * The top color trend of 2017 * Why you need to submit your imagination to the Lord * The importance of hope * Why you should give up on your song ideas * Background behind the new record, Where His Light Was * Kristene’s songwriting process * Why you need to encourage other worship leaders

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Music: Where His Light Was by Kristene DiMarco * Website: Pantone * Twitter: @kristeneeliza

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If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Kristene? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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We have too many kids with guitars and not enough shepherds.” – Dustin Smith

One of my favorite people to talk to about worship is Dustin Smith. Tacos is also another great topic of conversation. And this chat involves both. Dustin leads many streams in his ministry, Here Be Lions, and we talk all about what God is doing.

But also consider this podcast a good kick in the pants. It’s honest. It’s challenging. It’s important.

Enjoy!

Click to Listen Show Sponsor #1 This podcast is brought to you by the We Are Worship Conference in Dallas, Texas October 10-12. One of my favorite quotes is from Mark Batterson – “A change of pace plus a change of place equals a change in perspective.” Conferences are a great way to rub shoulders with people doing the same thing.

Come join Paul Baloche, Dustin Smith, Michael Farren, Travis Ryan, and others for a few days of training. Use the promo code WAW15 for 15% off your purchase.

Show Sponsor #2 Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services.

What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best keyboard sound or guitar swell you’ve ever heard, sitting underneath your live worship team. It’s helps to create a beautiful, patient atmosphere for your worship team and fill out the sound.

They’re a great investment if you have a smaller worship team or if you have a large team but want to create a bigger sound and improve your transitions. We’ve used them quite a bit at my church. We’ve actually done a two piece setup with me on a guitar, pad loops, and a drum pad and it sounds HUGE. And of all the pads I’ve tried, Coresound are the best sounding. By far.

I have the Deluxe bundle which comes with 6 different sounding pads in all 12 keys. It’s amazing because you literally have an arsenal of versatility for your worship team. Load them up on your smartphone, tablet, or laptop and you’re good to go. Whatever you play within the key of the pad loop sounds amazing, and each pad lasts for about 20 minutes.

So here’s the deal: head on over to coresoundpads.com and use the promo code “beyondsunday” and get yourself 20% off any purchase.

In This Episode You’ll Hear More About: * Healing and the story behind Healing is Right * Why we don’t see a revival of healing in our day * Why we need to embrace aggressive faith * Tips for bridging the generational gap in worship * Why we may need to pray less before worship services * Why you might need to invite non-musicians to be on your worship team * The upcoming We Are Worship Conference * Torchy’s Tacos

If you’re frustrated with your church, your church is most likely just mirroring what they see on stage.” – Dustin Smith

Resources Mentioned in this Episode: * Show Sponsor: Coresound Pads * Show Sponsor: We Are Worship Conference (use promo code WAW15) * Music: Healing Is Right * Website: Here Be Lions * Website: We Are Worship * Website: All About Worship

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If you enjoyed the show, I would be so appreciative if you would rate it on iTunes and write a brief review. That helps me so much! Thanks.

Question: What was your biggest takeaway from this interview with Dustin? You can leave a comment by clicking here.

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We are married to our mission but we’re dating our vision.” – Andy Stanley I’ve always admired the work of Andy Stanley and North Point’s vision to create a church where unbelievers want to come. And today we have the honor of hearing from Seth Condrey, one of North Point’s worship leaders and part of […]

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You have a window of time as an artist, but songwriting can last forever.” – Sarah Reeves Sarah Reeves has one of my favorite voices in all of Christian music. And this interview is a powerful challenge to any creative or anyone who wants to make a living as an artist. We talk about songwriting […]

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My biggest influence as a worship leader is a person who doesn’t sing.” – Crystal Yates I’m a big fan of singers who sing with conviction, who’s songs tell the story of their lives. Crystal is an incredible singer/songwriter who feels a calling to move beyond church walls and spread hope & compassion through her music. As […]

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Today we welcome Josh Baldwin to the podcast. Josh is a worship leader and songwriter with Bethel Music. His new album, produced by Bobby Strand, is so great – full of lyrical depth, southern vibe, and plenty of soul. In this interview we talk about the Baldwin’s move from North Carolina to Redding, the making […]

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Life changes when we realize life is not about us but it’s all about Jesus.” – Louie Giglio Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is brought to you by Coresound. Coresound is an amazing new company that provides pad loops for your worship services. What are pad loops, you may say? Essentially, it’s like the best […]

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You have to define success in terms of the Kingdom of God.” – Elias Dummer An honor to welcome Elias Dummer back to the Beyond Sunday Podcast for a second time! Elias is the frontman for the band The City Harmonic as well as a Worship Pastor and owner of a marketing agency. This interview is […]

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A great honor to have Greg Sykes on the podcast today. Greg is a new singer/songwriter with Integrity Music and has just released his new EP, Reverse. Greg’s songs are some of the catchiest songs you’ll hear. In this chat we talk about facing fear, writing songs, sharing songs, and stepping out of our comfort […]

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Such a joy to welcome Melissa Helser on the podcast. Melissa and her husband Jonathan David are incredible worship leaders. It’s remarkable what they do with their Cageless Birds ministry in South Carolina as well as their recent partnership with Bethel Music. In this interview we talk about the new Starlight album, women in worship, […]

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Today’s interview is with Aaron Shust – an amazing singer, songwriter, and worship leader. We talk about Aaron’s history with traditional church music and how he started leading worship. Also some great songwriting nuggets, stories, and challenges about the character of a worship leader. Important stuff. Enjoy! Click to Listen Show Sponsor Today’s podcast is […]

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Such an honor to welcome Stu Garrard back to the podcast. Stu is an amazing guitarist (known for his work with Delirious), songwriter, and artist. In this conversation we pull back the curtain of his latest project, The Beatitudes. An incredible project, consisting of an album, a book, and a documentary is all about Jesus’ […]

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If I’m living life with no margin and no time set aside to reflect, I can’t expect to be writing songs.” – Laura Story Today we welcome Grammy winning songwriter & worship leader Laura Story to the podcast. Laura’s new album, Open Hands, is a great one – filled with great new songs of hope. […]

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If you lead worship, you know who Elevation Worship is. Over the last decade they have led the charge on building great team culture and writing powerful original songs for churches. Today, we welcome lead producer/songwriter Mack Brock to the show. It takes so many people to pull off large projects like Elevation’s new “There […]

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When I let people be amazing at what they do, things change.” – Brian Johnson Today we welcome Brian Johnson back to the podcast. Brian & his wife Jenn lead the amazing ministry that is Bethel Music. The sheer number of great songs & amazing artists on the Bethel roster is quite remarkable. I wanted […]

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I’m not defined by a role. Roles are seasonal. Who I am is a worshiper.” – Henry Seeley It’s amazing what happens when a willing soul steps out and takes God at His Word. I love the story of Henry & Alex Seeley. Rooted in Melbourne, Australia, Henry was a worship leader, songwriter, producer, and […]

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I hear a lot of people talk about relevance. But I would prefer to be timeless. Jesus is timeless. The cross is timeless. The Gospel is timeless. You don’t have to worry about being relevant when you hold the cross up.” – Kristian Stanfill I’m so excited to share this chat with Kristian Stanfill – […]

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Good art invites the listener to have as big a part of the interpretation as the one saying it.” – David Gungor No one would debate that 2016 was a polarizing year. But in the midst of such political unrest & cultural anxiety, The Brilliance created a record. And a beautiful one at that. David Gungor & […]

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The writing process is always hard, but if you keep pushing through it you get more adjusted to the difficulty of writing songs.” – Ryan O’Neal If there’s anyone who knows how to write lyrics and melodies, it’s Ryan O’Neal from Sleeping at Last. For years I’ve been inspired by how Ryan approaches his craft […]

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We find a sound and we’re like, ‘Wow, that’s nothing like what we want’ and we just screw it up until it sounds like something neat.” – Chris Greely What happens on stage is only a fraction of what it takes to have great services at church. Without skilled, smart, and worshipful people running production, […]

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Draw your inspiration from the one who inspires, not from a secondhand revelation.” – Josh Silverberg How would you like to sit down in the studio of a successful producer in Christian music and learn about music production? That’s what this conversation with Josh Silverberg feels like. Josh is an incredible producer & songwriter in […]

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The Spirit’s job description is to showcase the magnificence of Jesus.” – Zac Hicks One of my favorite books for worship this year was The Worship Pastor by Zac Hicks. So naturally, it was essential that Zac come on the podcast to talk about it, right? It’s really a wonderful balance of practical and academic […]

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What I want to do as a worship leader – every time – is create a meeting place for God and people.” – Cody Carnes I love when a person’s heart and passion for Jesus is larger than the gift they carry. Cody Carnes is one of those leaders. Cody is a songwriter, worship leader, […]

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This week we welcome Brooke Ligertwood (Fraser) to the podcast from Hillsong Worship. Brooke has been a part of the Hillsong family for years, writing classic songs like “Lead Me to the Cross”, “Hosanna”, and more recently “What a Beautiful Name.” In this episode we talk about Brooke’s fascination with words and language and how that […]

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The church is the greatest movement the world has ever seen.” – Ryan Romeo I love to be around people that inspire me – people who push me to dream bigger, love stronger, and accomplish more for the Kingdom of God. Ryan Romeo is one of those people. Ryan is a worship leader, creative arts […]

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The term worship music seems to diminish the word worship and make the word music more important.” – Crowder A conversation with David Crowder is equal parts hilarious and educational. Busy in the middle of his American Prodigal tour, David called in from his tour bus out west to discuss…well, lots of stuff. We talk about creativity, coloring books, […]

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Paul Baloche is our first 3-peat guest on the Beyond Sunday Podcast. It’s probably because he’s saying something we need to hear. Matter of fact, Paul has been trumpeting the cause of the local church and being a Pastor to Worship Pastors for many years. When I was a young, his songs helped to form […]

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This week we welcome Michael Neale back to the podcast. Michael is an award-winning songwriter and artist with Integrity Music, an author, as well as the new Worship Pastor at Prestonwood Baptist Church, a 42,000 member congregation in Dallas, Texas. This is another one of those great conversations where we go behind the scenes of […]

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I’ve always been moved by people who sing with conviction.” – David Leonard Today we welcome back David Leonard from All Sons & Daughters. I’ve always loved what David Leonard & Leslie Jordan write and their new album Poets & Saints is no exception. In this chat we talk all about the album as well as […]

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There’s a lot of people standing on stages in front of the Church that Jesus loves, and they don’t have a pastor’s heart.” – Michael Farren Something special happens when you merge a heart for people with a passion for music. Songs become less of a performance vehicle and more of a pastoral one – […]

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I’ve been a big fan of Leeland over the years. I remember when they released their debut album Sound of Melodies when Leeland was 16 years old. This chat is a like a great backstory of Leeland’s life. We talk about his childhood, his time on the road as a young kid, and tons of lessons […]

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It’s a good day for any musician when you can chat with a world-class, Grammy winning producer & songwriter. Seth Mosley is that guy, based in Nashville, TN. Last year, Seth won 4 Dove Awards, including producer and songwriter of the year. To put it simply, he knows his stuff. Seth has become the go-to producer for a […]

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If you love the spotlight more than the secret place, you’re in trouble because it means you care more about pleasing people than pleasing God.” – Banning Liebscher It’s quotes like this that make my conversation with Banning Liebscher so powerful. Banning is the founder & pastor of Jesus Culture. Jesus Culture began as a youth ministry at […]

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My role is to identify leaders who are very comfortable identifying other leaders and create space for them to access ministry.” – John Cassetto I love conversations with worship pastors. Especially those who are more interested in raising others up over doing their own ministry. This is John Cassetto, Global Worship Pastor at Saddleback Church. This interview covers […]

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I needed to resist the urge to get up on stage and do my own thing. I really needed to learn the craft of what others were doing.” – Jeffrey Kunde Got to love sitting down and talking music. That’s exactly what Jeffrey Kunde and I did. Jeffrey is the lead guitarist for Jesus Culture […]

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We talk about going through the motions as if it’s a bad thing. But what if the motions are right?” – Ryan Flanigan Ryan Flanigan is a worship leader in an Anglican Church. But he didn’t start there. Matter of fact, he was born Catholic, raised Charismatic, and educated Evanglical. All 3 of these streams […]

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Such an honor to welcome Phil Wickham to the show this week. I remember the first time I heard Phil sing. I was at a songwriting retreat in the Santa Cruz mountains of California and it was a worship night with just Phil and his guitar. The fullness of sound this guy put out was […]

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One of the most important things a worship leader can learn is how to lead silence. Leading silence is much more difficult than leading a song.” -Ian Cron My favorite podcasts to listen to are ones that are a bit uncomfortable – conversations that shine a light on a new (or old) idea and cause me […]

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The 60’s saw the innovation of the worship leader. The 70’s saw the innovation of the worship genre. The 80’s saw the innovation of the seamless worship set. The 90’s saw the worship leader upgraded to the worship band. And the millenium has seen all of these four ingredients coalesced together in the produced, minute-by-minute […]

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I am a tour guide for God’s glory.” – Paul Tripp Today’s guest is a special treat. Paul Tripp is a pastor, author, and conference speaker who’s passion is to see the transforming power of Jesus at work in everyday life. I recently finished his new book, Awe, and knew that I wanted him on […]

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The old song gathers…the new song propels.” – Bob Sorge Today’s podcast is a great conversation between worship pastors. Covenant Church is a multi-campus church located in Dallas Texas where David & Nicole Binion lead the worship ministry. I had the privilege of sitting with both of them as well as Josh DuFrene, one of […]

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Do you want royalties or do you want to raise the dead?” – God’s word to Rita It’s so easy to get our hearts set on the wrong things. We can be worship leaders but not actually worship. We can be Christians but be more in love with God’s gifts than God Himself. That’s why […]

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Sometimes you just need to look behind the scenes of another worship ministry. In today’s podcast, I chat with two of my very good friends from college who just happen to lead an incredible worship ministry at River Valley Church in Minneapolis, MN – Aaron Johnson (@ajondrums) & Ryan Williams (@ryan_wllms). We also discuss the […]

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Today’s episode is about your big projects. As leaders in the local church, we’re never slowing down. There’s nations to reach, people to disciple, and a great Gospel to preach. But how do we mobilize people to accomplish big projects. In this show, I help you navigate those waters. Just a few months ago we […]

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Most hymns I love are penned by people who are suffering. This is apt material for a record that is a meditation on the poor in spirit.” – Audrey Assad Today’s show is an amazing conversation with Audrey Assad. If you’re not familiar with Audrey, take a minute and watch this video. I’ve had this […]

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“We are local first. We are in neighborhoods, we live on streets, we live in homes, we live in a city. God has called us to serve local first.” – Robbie Seay Such an honor to have one of my favorite artists on the show today – none other than Robbie Seay. Ever since my […]

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This podcast doesn’t exist just to promote music from artists and songwriters. Sure, that’s a part of what many of us do. But this is primarily about the week in, week out work of reaching people in our local churches. Occasionally we get to hear from a church that is doing both well. Today I […]

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We have a whole collection of electric toothbrushes that are all in different keys.” – Eric Persing A quote like that is what makes me love Eric Persing. Eric is the founder of Spectrasonics, a company specializing in developing World Class software ‘virtual instruments’ since 1994. He has produced dozens of the sampling industry’s top […]

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“Once you’ve tasted a little bit of pioneering, you never want to settle.” – Stu G It’s refreshing to talk with someone who has had decades of experience doing the same thing without a jaded heart. That’s why I love Stu G. Stu is one of the founding members of the band Delirious, an incredible […]

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So great to have two of my good friends, Brad & Rebekah on the podcast today. They are both great worship leaders and songwriters who travel to churches all over the world, leading worship and equipping worship teams. In this conversation we talk a lot about what it takes to be a self employed artist […]

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Today we chat with a legend. That legend is Paul Baloche. Paul has been leading worship, writing songs, and serving the local church for over 30 years and is one of the very best. What I love about Paul is his honesty, transparency, and his commitment to serving everyday worshipers. He’s not flashy or complicated […]

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The priority is Jesus.” – Brock Shinen One of the questions I receive the most is, “How do I go about copyrighting the songs I’m writing for my local church.” Well, I’m not the expert. But my guest on today’s show is. Brock Shinen is an Intellectual Property attorney who works with artists, churches, authors, […]

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I love seeing what God is doing in churches around the world – leaders mobilizing diverse people to reach their communities. That’s why this conversation with Aaron Ivey is such a treat. Aaron is the Worship Pastor at The Austin Stone Community Church in Austin, Texas. They are a church of 8 campuses with a […]

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Christ is in your corner, on your side. That’s what makes every ‘what if’ possible.” – Mark Batterson Mark Batterson is an inspiring leader – the author of 12 books and the pastor of a great church, he’s always pushing himself to live and lead at a higher level. In this podcast we talk about Mark’s […]

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I love talking with people who savor life and have a huge imagination. And that’s why I love this conversation with singer/songwriter Andrew Peterson. Andrew is a singer, songwriter, author, and storyteller with a passion for art and the Gospel. This is one of my top 10 favorite podcast interviews thus far. There’s so much […]

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Today’s conversation is with Travis Ryan. Travis is the worship pastor at LifePoint church in Nashville, TN as well as a songwriter with Integrity Music. Travis is most notably known for co-writing the Newsboys hit “We Believe” which you can hear all over the radio. In this conversation we talk about why he became a […]

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Today’s episode is a unique conversation. Not with a worship leader…but a senior pastor, Dr. Charles Stone. But Charles isn’t your typical senior pastor. He has an engineering degree from Georgia Tech, a Masters of Divinity from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminaro, and a Doctorate of Ministry from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. He’s also completing another […]

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Today’s interview is with Elias Dummer from The City Harmonic. Not only is Elias a greater singer, songwriter, and frontman for The City Harmonic, but he’s also a smart dude with a heart for God’s people. In this interview we go deep, discussing unity in the church, whether performance in worship is really a bad […]

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It’s always a treat to talk with a true artist – one who pours their heart and soul into what they do. They look at the world and tell you what they see with honesty, passion, and hard work. And for that, I’ve always appreciated the work of Michael and Lisa Gungor. In this conversation […]

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One of the ministries that had a profound impact on me as a worship leader was IHOP – the International House of Prayer. I remember visiting the 24/7 prayer room as a young kid and being so challenged to pursue Jesus with my whole heart. That’s why this interview was so fun. Jaye Thomas is […]

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Tim Hughes is no stranger to the worship community. For years he has provided the worshiping church with great songs like Here I Am to Worship, Happy Day, At Your Name, Consuming Fire, and many more. It was an honor to welcome Tim back to the podcast. In this conversation we go much deeper than […]

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I love conversations with interesting people – people who have strong opinions, know who they are, believe in what they do, work hard, and live to help others. John Mark McMillan is one of those people. Maybe that’s why this conversation went a little long. John Mark McMillan is a fantastic singer/songwriter, most known for […]

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It’s refreshing to connect with people who love God’s church – those who are more concerned with giving voice to His people in worship over being the newest, hottest thing. That’s why I love Vertical Church Band. They are no strangers to the podcast. They were a guest for episode 19 and we’ve also welcomed […]

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I love songwriting. I love the power of what a song can do. Songs can literally change people’s lives. I also love hearing from the best about how they write songs and craft lyric and melody to effect people’s hearts. I’ve wanted to have Mia Fieldes on the podcast for a while now and that […]

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It’s a good day when you’re in the same room with guys like Glenn Packiam & Aaron Niequist. I was honored to catch up with them at the Spirit & Sacrament conference here in Pittsburgh. Both of these guys have backgrounds in modern worship but are also integrating traditional liturgical practices in their ministries. Just […]

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One of the biggest influences on my worship leading and songwriting is Matt Redman. It was such an honor to catch up with him on the podcast. I don’t know anyone who is a better lyricist with worship songs than Matt Redman. Every word has feeling. Every word makes sense. Every syllable is meticulously placed. […]

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Whether you’re an experienced loop user, a beginner, or you haven’t given it any thought, we all have something to learn. That’s why I wanted to talk with the master Will Doggett from MultiTracks about this world. Today’s show is an overview of using loops, clicks, & software in your worship services. We discuss software […]

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It’s tough to be a music lover and not know about Hillsong United. Their new album, Empires is all over the mainstream charts and causing quite a stir. Taya Smith is one of the lead voices of United, most known for her voice on the song Oceans. We talk about Empires, her start with music, how […]

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The tension of rockstar and pastor is real within the local church. That’s why I love Stephen Miller. He always challenges me to get to the root of what I’m doing as an artist, songwriter, and local church pastor. He’s the real deal. In this chat we talk about his great new album Liberating King, his book Worship […]

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I am so excited to introduce you to some new friends of mine from the brand new band, The Bright Expression. I don’t know about you, but I love finding new music. Especially new music that is awesome. You are going to love this. Not only is the music great, but this conversation was rich […]

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So honored to have one of my favorite voices on the podcast today – Christy Nockels. I can remember back to when I was first feeling “the call” to lead worship. That soundtrack was a lot of the early Passion records, where Christy’s unmistakeable voice was featured. Here on the podcast we discuss how her […]

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Today’s interview tells the story of new singer/songwriter/worship leader Lauren Daigle. Lauren’s music has been at the top of the Christian iTunes charts for months. It makes sense – she’s got an incredibly unique, soulful voice (think Adele meets Kim Walker) and songs that cut to the heart of what worship is all about. Engaging, soulful, […]

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I love talking to dreamers. But there’s something even more powerful than a dreamer: a dreamer who does. These kinds of people are a gift because they help us confront our apathy, fear, excuses, timidity, and stir us to get on with making change and living boldly. Daniel Bashta is one of those people. Daniel is […]

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Today’s guest is no stranger to great songs – The Great I Am, Rescue, Amazed. But Jared Anderson and I talk about so much more than just the songs and the music. Truth is, Jared never wanted to write worship songs. But God had other plans. We talk about living for the Kingdom of God, […]

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Today’s guest is no stranger to worship music. So very honored to welcome Chris Tomlin to the Beyond Sunday podcast. Chris and I were able to catch up in the middle of his Love Ran Red tour with Rend Collective & Tenth Avenue North. Chris has seen tremendous success as a songwriter and an artist, […]

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Auditions. It’s one of the most talked about subjects among worship teams. The team at National Community Church have a great system in place for recruiting, evaluating, and developing musicians numerous times throughout the calendar year. I wanted to sit down and talk with Worship Director Kurtis Parks & Worship Leader Joel Buckner on how […]

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So honored to have some new friends on the podcast this week. Andrew Greer is a Dove award-nominated singer/songwriter and Ginny Owens is a 3 time Dove award winning artist. What’s interesting about this interview is both of them are first time authors, here to discuss their new book Transcending Mysteries: Who is God and […]

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Ever get frustrated by how simple worship music is? Maybe it’s not such a bad thing. And is it possible to be too creative in our corporate gatherings? This and so much more is covered in my conversation with Matt Maher. He has tons of wise, enlightening, practical advice to share with us today. His new […]

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When was the last time you worshiped because you wanted to? Not because you were told you should. Not because it’s your job. Not because you have a responsibility. You just wanted to be with God – receiving His love, hearing His voice, being with Him. Not many worship leaders do this. We do it […]

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I don’t know about you, but I love discovering new worship music. Especially worship music that is creative, real, challenging, honest, and different. Welcome to the music of Aaron Strumpel. Aaron is very prolific artist who wastes no time creating great art over the last 8 years: 6 solo full length albums, 5 solo EPs, […]

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This week’s podcast is all about keeping things fresh. Without a doubt, we all get stuck in ruts. We go through the motions. We get stale in our leadership. In order to be a great worship leader, we need to cultivate a massive imagination – to see more and more of God in His Word […]

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You know the feeling of discovering an amazing band that not many people know about? Yea, that was my experience when I first heard the Brilliance a couple years ago. Beautiful, raw, real music for the church that is so different than anything else out there. So David Gungor and I met over Skype for […]

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Todays guest writes one of my favorite worship blogs on the internet: Zac Hicks. Zac is a worship pastor at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, pastored by Tullian Tchividjian. This conversation was one of my favorites! Zac is a super smart guy who knows a whole lot about culture, music, theology, and how that all connects […]

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Today’s guest is a powerhouse! Singer/Songwriter, worship leader, wife, and mother of 3, we welcome Meredith Andrews to the Beyond Sunday Podcast. Meredith is on staff at Harvest Bible Chapel and is one of the worship leaders/songwriters of Vertical Church Band – an incredible community of artists and songwriters whose aim is to serve the […]

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My guest this week is no stranger to the worship community: Brian Johnson from Bethel Music. I’ve looked forward to this interview for a long time. Brian is an incredible songwriter & worship leader. But what I love most about he and his wife Jen is how they empower people. Brian & Jen are such a […]

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Such a joy to talk with not one, not two, but three guests on the podcast today from Mainstream Orlando, the youth ministry of Faith Assembly. Josh Daughtry, Jason Callahan, & Carlos were kind enough to chat with me about all they have going on. Mainstream is a happening place. With a youth ministry of […]

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I’ve got an incredible guest and he’s brought loads of incredible wisdom and energy with him. He’s Sidney Mohede from Jakarta Praise Community Church in Indonesia and newly signed artist to Integrity Music. Sidney is a worship pastor, very itinerant minister, songwriter, husband, father, and avid video gamer. Though I just met Sidney for the first […]

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I’ve been recording this podcast for two years now, and 2014 was by far my favorite. In this episode, I debrief the top 6 most downloaded podcasts and what we can glean from them. I also lay out some thoughts for approaching the new year with a focus on habits rather than resolutions. I am […]

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I am so excited for you to meet this week’s guest: Malcolm du Plessis. He’s the real deal: humble, deep, challenging, and wise. Malcolm is a friend/consultant for some of the biggest names in Christian Music and a leader in the music industry. This is such an important conversation. Malcolm and I take an honest […]

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There’s something about honest, raw, beautiful writing that opens your heart to truth. That’s why I’m thankful for Hunter Thompson and his newest EP with Bethel Music, Swan Song. This is one of the most beautiful collection of songs to be released this year. Honest, stripped back, pure. In this interview Hunter and I talk about […]

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I don’t know about you, but I’m after the real thing in worship. It’s not enough to sing the songs, go through the motions, and feel good about how we executed our plans. We need God – His nearness, His Word, His voice, His sovereign move. That’s what I love about Housefires Music. I was […]

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When it comes to pursuing Jesus, there’s only one way to come: with boldness.  We have been given access into His presence by a new and living way. So we come trembling in awe yet with the confidence of sons and daughters. That’s what I love about the ministry of Kim Walker Smith. She is […]

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Sometimes you just have to be honest. You have to strip away the game and get real with God. As worship leaders we have a tendency to live in a world of comparison, criticism, man pleasing, and self centeredness. But without pure, honest, real hearts of desperation for God, we have nothing. That’s what I […]

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If there’s one challenge every worship leader faces, it’s unifying the generations in worship. My guest on the podcast this week has a unique perspective on this because he is both a worship leader and a senior pastor. Dan Dean, from the popular Christian group Phillips Craig and Dean is both a recording artist and […]

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When I was first getting started as a worship leader, Tim Hughes was one of the guys I looked up to. Tim is one of the best worship songwriters I know. Having written Here I Am to Worship, Happy Day, Let it Be Known, and many others, his songs have theological depth and incredibly catchy […]

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Have you ever wanted to sit down with a renowned musician/producer and pick their brain about what it takes to be a pro? Going pro is about making a decision and going to work. It’s not just going to happen for you. That’s what Gabriel Wilson and I talk about on this week’s podcast. Gabriel […]

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The more we make worship ministry about us, the further we get from God’s heart. It’s about passion for Jesus and compassion for people. And this podcast is all about getting real. I had a conversation with Jimmy Thorpe, local church worship pastor and all-around great guy about the ins and outs of worship ministry. […]

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We don’t really need more songs. We need God songs – songs that transport our wandering hearts and distracted minds to behold a greater reality. Without a doubt, that’s why I love the songs of Jon Egan and the Desperation Band. It was so fun to catch up with Jon and talk about Desperation Band, […]

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It’s a powerful truth when you realize Christ is within you and Christ wants to extend His grace through you. This theme runs deep in the music of Justin Jarvis, worship leader at the Harbour Church and artist with Jesus Culture Music. Justin has a heart for the presence of God, a unique voice, and […]

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Genuine worship is marked by powerful transformation. It’s impossible to truly worship God and not be changed. The more we see Jesus, declare His promises, and place our faith in His goodness, the more we’ll be the kind of people He wants us to be. This (and much, much more) is what Dustin Smith and […]