Conversations in Close Protection: Recent Episodes
Chris Story, Chuck Randolph
Conversations In Close Protection is a podcast about the Executive/Close Protection industry. We use the podcast to enhance discussions about the industry and promote values, information and education within the Close Protection Community and try to have fun doing it!
The CiCP crew is back on home turf. In this episode, Chuck and Chris acknowledge Father’s Day, family, and the evolving responsibilities of leadership—in life and in the field. The team unpack the rising risk environment for executives and high-net-worth individuals, the convergence of digital and physical threats, and the uncomfortable but necessary truths facing modern security leaders.
With recent headlines highlighting targeted violence and online radicalization, the team discusses how protectors and intelligence professionals must adapt to an increasingly asymmetric environment. This isn’t just a shop talk—it’s a recalibration.
What does it mean to lead in today’s hybrid threat world? And how do we keep our principles sharp when the lines between online vitriol and real-world violence continue to blur?
In "Seguridad Cuantificada," your CiCP team dives deep with Kevin Palacios, an intellectual architect transforming executive protection from a gut-feeling profession to a data-driven strategic discipline. With a doctorate-level approach and 25 years of global experience, Palacios deconstructs traditional security paradigms, introducing a revolutionary framework that quantifies protection's business value.
Learn how:
- Executive protection becomes a business enabler, not just a cost center
- Data and predictive analytics can transform risk management
- Professionals can translate protection strategies into measurable ROI
- Technology and human expertise can create a new protection ecosystem
Prepare to have your understanding of protection fundamentally challenged.
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Conversations in Close Protection – Shop Talk January 2025, the team breaks down the critical security developments shaping the corporate and global landscape. We examine the tragic UnitedHealthcare incident and its implications for executive protection, the evolving role of security leadership in corporate governance, and the increasing complexity of cybersecurity threats in 2025. There is also discussions on the impact of SEC disclosure requirements on executive security, the shifting landscape of Directors & Officers (D&O) insurance, and key insights from the WEF Global Risks Report 2025, including geopolitical instability, disinformation, and environmental challenges.
Join CiCP as they analyze the risks, challenges, and strategies that security professionals must navigate to stay ahead in an increasingly volatile world.
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UnitedHealth Lost $63 Billion in Value Amid CEO Security Concerns
Should the SEC Revisit Executive Security Perquisite Disclosure?
What to Expect from Cybersecurity Threats in 2025
Should the SEC Revisit Executive Security Perquisite Disclosure?
New Year, New D&O Risks
Summary of Key Risks
The Conversations in Close Protection team discusses insights from Tristan Flannery of Presage Global, focusing on their upcoming Industry Training Survey. The conversation highlights the need for protectors to adapt to modern threats through education, technology, and soft skills. It addresses growth opportunities in the industry, including increased salary expectations and the demand for specialized training among mid-career professionals.
Tune in to gain fresh perspectives on how the executive protection field is transforming and what it means for those dedicated to safeguarding lives and assets. If you have thoughts on the discussion, contact us at protectiontalk@outlook.com!
Want to hear more from Tristan - check out his conversation on risk over at the Connected Intelligence podcast - https://shorturl.at/0Ppn2
Fall is here, but the risks are not cooling down. The team unpacks recent events, upcoming events, and highlights from recent conferences and travels. By all measures, fall is going to be something. Stay up on the talk and join the conversation at protectiontalk@outlook.com
As the busy season kicks off, the team pauses to reflect on two significant industry events they recently attended. They dive into their experiences at the annual Threat Management Conference (TMC) hosted by the Association of Threat Assessment Professionals (ATAP) and CTG's 8th Annual Physical Cyber Convergence Forum in Phoenix. Both gatherings offered invaluable networking opportunities, thought-provoking discussions, and insightful conversations, proving worth the investment. Also discussed is Presage Global's recent LinkedIn EP Industry Training Survey.
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The CiCP team takes time out of their summer travels to discuss recent events, including the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump, recent global network issues, and revelations about North Korean agents working inside well-known cybersecurity companies.
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The team breaks tradition in this month's Shop Talk and welcomes an exceptional visitor. Former CiCP guest, bestselling author, and former US State Department Special Agent Fred Burton, who also served as the Chief of Counterterrorism and Assistant Director for Intelligence and Counterterrorism at the Texas Department of Public Safety and former Chief Security Officer, joins the team for a dynamic discussion.
Gathered around the digital campfire, the team discusses:
- The current heightened state of alert at US facilities across EuropeUSoming Olympics, Para Olympics, and the Eurocup
- The complex operating environment in Mexico
- Where is the Wagner Group, one year after their "mutiny" attempt
- Chiquita Brands Columbian woes
- Stage Jumpers
- And more...
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Uriah Riley's journey in the close protection industry illustrates his unwavering dedication to learning and growth. While many individuals transition from the military to the private sector, Uriah took the opposite path. He entered the Air Force Reserves after embarking on a career in protective operations, seeking to expand his expertise in the industry. His military (and policing) background is a distinguished credential and a valuable asset, providing him with crucial training, knowledge, and networks, and a set of highly transferable skills that ensure his competence and effectiveness in both military and civilian contexts.
The CiCP team discusses Uriah's path, protective operations, the importance of mentorship and coaching for personal long-term strategic growth, and his observations on risks he sees from his perspective as a public and private military intelligence profesisonal... and what a 38-year-old does in basic training!
All this and more... give us your perspective at protectiontalk@outlook.com
Note: All comments in this document represent the opinions of the team and the interviewee and do not necessarily reflect their affiliations with any organization.
Security oversight is a double-edged sword, with many in the industry juggling roles as practitioners and administrators. Even within larger organizations that support distinct leadership functions, those in middle management often find themselves balancing hands-on tasks with supervisory responsibilities.
Join the team as they catch up with Eablement Advisors' Ivor Terret. Long overdue, Ivor talks about the plight of management and how he sees the industry moving to support the shifting paradigm towards "at the speed of business."
How do you juggle the administrivia with the day-to-day work? Tell us at protectiontalk@outlook.com
Get ready for a compelling blend of global affairs and lively conversation! We're thrilled to welcome back Dr. Treston Wheat, the mastermind behind the acclaimed 'Geopolitics and Gin' blog. Dr. Wheat, a security expert and our favorite PhD, will guide us through today's most pressing geopolitical issues, offering insights for protectors and leaders alike.
Join us as we unpack complex challenges and potential solutions while raising a glass (or two) with the good Doctor.
Expect a thought-provoking discussion alongside Dr. Wheat's favorite gin concoctions and other libations.
Find Geopolitics and Gin here. - https://tinyurl.com/yu4emjur
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The ides of March are here, and, accordingly, the CiCP team is taking time to break down some recent news regarding the threatscape. This time, they deep dive into:
- Threats against healthcare systems, CA Senate bill 553 (or is it 533!?!)
- Asymmetric threats posed by digital risks such as AI or Deepfakes
- Using software aimed at other industries (like advertising) can be utilized in the targeting space
- Network outages and your PACE plan
- Foreign Agents operating on US soil
- Significant events - elections, Olympics
- and much more...
It's another full round of shop talk. Join the conversation at protectiontalk@outlook.com
The CiCP team is privileged to have Ivan Ivanovich, a renowned protector who advocates for a proactive, intelligence-driven approach emphasizing prevention and readiness. From his extensive executive protection experience across diverse regions like the Balkans and Latin America, Ivan offers a unique perspective. He argues that the traditional image of bodyguards with armored vehicles and weapons needs to be matured.
Our discussion centers on Ivan's book, "Executive Protection in the 21st Century: A New Vision," exploring the shifting threats faced by executives, the role of technology in modern protection, and the significance of cultural awareness in a globalized context. Tune in as we delve into Ivan's insights on proactive risk mitigation and navigating the dynamic landscape of executive protection.
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Ivan's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Executive-Protection-21st-Century-vision/dp/8419808210
Metrics are an essential tool for measuring performance, efficiency, and reliability in any organization, big or small. However, getting started with metrics can be daunting. In this episode, the team speaks with Jim McConnell, a seasoned security expert with over 30 years of experience managing security organizations. Jim shares his expertise in defining and using metrics in a security organization. So, grab your pencil and enjoy the conversation!
Also, if you're interested in learning more about converged security metrics, be sure to reach out to Jim at jim@askmcconnell.com and mention this podcast for a free PDF copy of top EP metrics from his book, "Converged Security Metrics: A Top 25 Set of Solutions.
Happy MMXXIV. After a much-needed break from the action, the team returns with thoughts on immediate risks, opportunities, and issues affecting the protective risk community. The new year comes out of the gate, looking much like the one we just left. What should you be thinking about as we roll into 2024! protectiontalk@outlook.com
As we approach Protector's week, the CiCP team grabs some air time with the editor-in-chief of the IPSB's "Close Protection and Security Journal," Doctor Treston Wheat, and the Close Protection Conference 23 lead, Bryan Flannery.
More than a readout, both speak to the power of volunteering, making the industry greater and how the industry has evolved.
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Keelson Strategic sponsors this episode.
Happy Thanksgiving week - the CiCP team is poised to engage in discussions that promise to dispel any lingering tryptophan-induced haze. Join us as we delve into recent and upcoming symposiums and conferences, spotlighting the IPSB's Close Protection Conference. Additionally, we address inquiries about individual planning for the forthcoming year, navigating personal rest during the holidays, and underscore the critical role of trust and openness for success in the security industry. All these topics and more await you in this month's ShopTalk!
In light of Mental Health Awareness Month, we converse about it with one of our own - Katherine Luther. She founded the Luther Method, which specializes in personal resilience protocols. She also serves as the Director of Operations for Viplomat Protection.
Fall is here. With the change over from summer comes the continued changing threat environment. Join the team as they break down some issues and emerging risks. Your CiCP team discusses some recent conferences they have attended (including the recent Mexican Close Protection gathering and the Sam Houston State. Critical Infrastructure Thought Leaders' Conference) breeches at high-profile events, and how using Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design (CPTED) principles for designing event security plans could be helpful. They also discuss Russia/Ukraine and the unfolding Israeli - Hamas war.
All this and a discussion about the upcoming IPSB Close Protection Conference's keynote speaker, former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
Join the team this December at the CPC - IPSB's Close Protection Conference
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Join us for a fascinating conversation with Ed McCormack, progenitor of the modern FBI protection division and former Head of Security for one of America's most high-networth families and one of the oldest consulting firms in the United States. Ed is a pioneer in the field of security and protection, and he has decades of experience protecting some of the most influential people in the world.
In this episode, Ed will share insights from his career, including:
- How he helped to create the modern FBI protection division
- How to manage security around influential people
- The latest trends in security
- Lessons learned from a deep understanding of security from both the public and private sectors
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This week, CiCP caught up with the incredibly busy and accomplished Dr. Michael Guirguis. He's not your average professional; he's the Chief Medical Officer at Raven Medical Support Group, an Emergency Room Physician, a Law Enforcement Flight Physician, and more. We had an insightful discussion with him about the importance of tactical medical oversight in Executive Protection (EP), training, and what drove him to the medical and tactical professions.
Dr. Guirguis is featured in Paul Peng's new book, "The Philosophy of Marksmanship." Mike's addition promises to shed light on situational awareness, adding a fresh perspective to the text.
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It's time for shoptalk, and the August edition comes in just under the wire. As always, there is a lot to discuss, and the team discusses current events affecting the security industry. Listen as we unpack the unique risk issues surrounding social media and online gaming influencers, information security around mobile apps, threats aimed at politicians, and Drew Barrymore's stalker. Team CiCP also talks about the weaponization of LinkedIn, and the assassination of The Wagner Group's leader Yevgeny Prigozhin.
All this and more on this month's installment of CiCP's Shoptalk.
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Ross Hill's career took root in curiosity, a quality that has kept him forward-thinking amidst the ever-evolving corporate intelligence industry. As a [reluctant] leader in the space, Ross emphasizes the importance of actionable intelligence that challenges preconceived notions, enabling policymakers via pertinent information. He advocates breaking away from traditional norms such as specialization. Drawing from his experiences during significant geopolitical events like the Arab Spring, Ross shares valuable personal lessons. Having been actively involved in field operations, he also offers insights on how protectors and intelligence professionals should approach their roles.
Join this engaging discussion with Ross Hill, Director of Intelligence at AT-RISK International, as the team at CiCP explores these thought-provoking topics and more. Give us your feedback at protectiontalk@outlook.com
Lauren Wygant's path might sound familiar: from high school athlete to becoming a secret agent and, eventually, a corporate security specialist. However, Lauren's journey has been purposeful and deliberate. Throughout her personal and professional life, she has remained deeply connected to her "why," serving as a guiding force. Having previously worked as a human intelligence specialist in the Central Intelligence Agency, where her responsibilities included identifying and recruiting assets, Lauren now utilizes those same invaluable skills to help individuals and organizations identify and mitigate risks effectively.
Join the team as we delve into Lauren's rich experiences and discover how you can harness her skill set to enhance your resilience as a practitioner and within your organization. Give us your feedback at protectiontalk@outlook.com
It's July Shop Talk, and there's much to cover. This time we find the team discussing the recent conferences they have attended and Russian events, including the recent change of venue by the Wagner Group, an assassination attempt on Putin, and a "resurgence" of wet work activity. They also discuss recent decisions by the Supreme Court affecting threat management and protective intelligence, assaults on local politicians, and an active threat aimed at the Stanley Cup that was prevented: all this and the usual banter from your CiCP Team. Join the conversation at protectiontalk@outlook.com
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Join the team as they explore the genesis of the Marine Corps Hunter program (established in 2007 by General James "Mad Dog" Mattis to equip Marines with cutting-edge combat skills) with Arcadia Cognerati's Greg Williams and Brian Marren.
Greg Williams, a highly experienced veteran and intelligence leader, shaped the Combat Hunter program. With a decorated career spanning over three decades, various US Department of Defense agencies have sought Greg's expertise, training, and advising military and law enforcement worldwide. His validated programs enhance situational awareness and address security challenges.
Brian Marren, a decorated Marine Sniper and security professional, has extensive Human Behavior Pattern Recognition & Analysis expertise. With a background in combat deployments and high-threat protection assignments worldwide, Brian's leadership and adaptability have gained recognition. He has trained and mentored military, law enforcement, and private sector clients making him valuable in understanding close protection nuances.
We delve into the experiences, insights, and strategies shared by Greg and Brian to elevate our understanding of situational awareness and the evolving security landscape.
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Practitioner, Mother, Author, Producer, Publisher, Philanthropist, Entrepreneur, Spouse, and Partner are a few ways to describe Alana Stott. In our discussion, the recently inducted Member of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (MBE) talks about her passion for excellence and what it takes to keep a security business, and brand, moving forward. Author and philanthropist, she is a fully trained security practitioner who uses business experience and operational understanding to run the successful venture she and her husband, Dean, have built over 25 years. Grab your pencils for this one! Let us know your thoughts at protectiontalk@outlook.com
It's been a hot minute, so the team discusses current headlines affecting the security industry. As well as catching up, the conversation centers around a few recent articles highlighting deteriorating risk levels in big cities and the consequences on people, assets, and security providers. Conversations around AI and the resurrection of the monthly EP risk report are also had. Please give us your thoughts at protectiontalk@outlook.com, give us a review, and share CiCP across your networks.
As the first quarter ends, your CiCP team gathers to talk about the headlines and discuss interesting and poignant news. It's a cavalcade of continuing conversations that include ramifications from power grid attacks, letterbombs sent to journalists, the 2023 annual threat assessment, Haiti, a new U.K. security agency that aims to assist the community and corporations, Russian spies in Mexico, threats to news crews, and more: all this and a quick recap of the successful Bodyguards for Kids event that just took place.
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Shawn Ryan has traversed multiple paths - US Navy Seal, Cleared Contractor for the Department of State and the Central Intelligence Agencies, Real Estate Broker, and Tactical Trainer - he has pursued a series of passions resulting in the creation of the wildly popular long-form youtube channel and interview podcast, "The Shawn Ryan Show." On his show, Shawn helps bring out more profound stories from the veteran and business community leaders he speaks with. We wanted to find out how he found his way there and what drives a "Warrior-Journalist." Grab your pencil and paper for this one!
What drives you? Let us know at protectiontalk@outlook.com.
Find more about shawn at - https://shawnryanshow.com/
Diversity is an essential topic in the workplace, and the security field is no different. This week we are joined by Eric Jorgenson and Yari Mcbride from Concentric Advisors, Elizabeth Springs from Uber, and Shannon Gibson from a private family office as we discuss diversity across the board. Originally, this was the Close Protection Conference panel subject, and we felt it would be more impactful to bring it to the podcast. In the excellent discussion, we review what diversity is, what it means, who it impacts, how to drive it, and the conversations associated with it to strengthen the industry and those in it.
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We are well into the second month of 2023, and there is no shortage of topics and trending news bytes to examine. This month's Shop Talk has the team discussing risks identified by various former US homeland Security Executives - Is Run, Hide, Fight outdated - Hazards to religious organizations - Threats to Public Officials, and John Wick's Stalker—this and more from your CiCP team. Please give us your thoughts at protectiontalk@outlook.com and JOIN the conversation.
Bodyguards for Kids fundraising event for the children of St. Jude is a two-day virtual educational event on March 18 & 19. the activity will bring over 15 subject matter experts from different countries to provide talks and presentations on industry-specific topics, and 100% of all proceeds will go directly to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
The CiCP team sits down with founders Denida and Chris Grow to discuss the event, how it came to be, what people can expect, and how to get involved.
While the goal is to raise money for an excellent cause, it is an educational event with focused discussions around:
- Covert Protection.
- Understanding Mental Health and Mental Illness.
- The History and Development of Protective Intelligence.
- International Travel Risk Management Framework.
- Sharpening Soft-Skills: HUMINT Applications in Executive Protection.
- Online Due Diligence, essential tools for EP operators.
- ALIVE/Active Shooter.
- Body Language/ A preventive tool in EP.
- Threat Assessments of Mass Killers.
- Employment Lifecycle Management to Mitigate Insider Threats.
- Standards for Medical Sponsorship in Protective Security.
- The role of Intelligence in Security Operations.
- Ask a Recruiter.
- AND MORE....
Go to Bodyguards For Kids for more information or contact info@lemareschal.com for details on obtaining a ticket, donating to the raffle, or donating to this amazing cause.
From Private Detective to Protective Intelligence Technologist Tom (TK) Kopecky has used an expeditionary mindset to help direct and focus the work. From a stint working for the state of Illinois to crafting the protective intelligence strategies for high net-worth individuals, he has managed his career with one eye on the operational activities and another on refinement, seemingly weaponizing lessons learned to direct future work, understand margins and ensure the best outcomes for both principal and practitioners alike.
It's a master class in what it takes to manage a career and become an entrepreneur. Have your pencils ready for this one!
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CiCP starts the year with a Sesquipedalian episode examining issues and events affecting the security and risk industry. The team discusses dusting off protocols for working with Law Enforcement, FBI warnings concerning threats against minors, and compounding issues from the January 6th riots. They also consider the gaps in risk management, highlighted by the recent NYE Times Square incident, TSCM problems with vehicles, attacks against substations, and a shoutout to the Law Enforcement community.
Season 6 is here, and it's all thanks to you! Let us know your thoughts at protectiontalk@outlook.com.
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Education and training are essential elements in all jobs - doubly so for the protective security industry and those involved in more martial sectors. Owning the basic skillsets of the job is something practitioners must relentlessly pursue in an effort to prevent the unforeseen from rearing its head.
Miyamoto Musashi said, "A thousand days of training to develop, ten thousand days of training to polish. You must examine all this well." Raptor Protection's Chris Butler has dedicated a significant portion of his career to the examination of training with a passion for ensuring people learn and not just repeat the principles and pass the test.
As we round out 2022, grab a pencil and a cup of your favorite beverage and listen in as we discuss a myriad of topics, from what Chris describes as the 'illusion of learning" to how we can holistically approach training for the job. Chris' philosophy on training is something that every practitioner, master trainer, and risk manager should consider as part of their own.
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Happy New Year from the CiCP Team!
It's Christmas Eve... Eve and the team get together to have our annual "what to watch in your downtime" discussion. Join Chuck, Chris, and Aaron as we muse over Christopher McQuarrie's "Way of The Gun." We discuss tactics, plot, why James Caan's character is fantastic, and invent a new game involving "John Wick." Happy Holidays to all! Let us know what you are going to watch at protectiontalk@outlook.com
The International Protective Security Board's (IPSB) annual Close Protection Conference has just concluded, and the team gives their take on this year's gathering. From the presentations to the fantastic sponsors and exhibitors area, Chuck and Chris discuss their quick interpretations and why they remain excited about everything within the protective industry.
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The idea of the "international practitioner" is a goal often sought by many in the security, protection, and risk industry. While achievable, it requires adaptability and the presence of mind to see opportunities and not allow yourself to be stuck. On this "close protection week," we catch up with EP Wired founder and SCS - Security Crisis Solutions' Executive Director, Oran Ben Simon. OBS discusses his career, which spans full-time work in over three countries and efforts that span the globe. He talks about understanding his values and how that helped him stay open to new opportunities - and a stint with one of the top business consulting firms - and how the concept of EP WIRED came to be.
We all deal with setbacks. Small or large, they often cause us to doubt our actions, ability, and even values unconsciously. Without even realizing it - a reversal of momentum can have long-lasting effects on career and personal growth. Join us as we discuss dealing with bureaucratic machines, starting a security consultancy, and maintaining your core values with Alchemy Global's Managing Director, Stuart Nash.
Having served in the Royal Air Force (RAF), Stuart performed operations and logistics and began conducting protective functions in Kosovo (where he was awarded the "Queens Commendation for Bravery"); Stuart describes his career learning to meld operations and logistics, dealing with career setbacks, running global security operations, volunteering, and keeping true to your core values, even at 30,000 ft over the Atlantic Ocean!
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Risk encompasses many vectors. This week we step back to gain insight and awareness into three different but tangentially essential elements in risk management; protective, cyber, and privacy. Joined by Asymmetric Response's Tom Ryan and Privacy Attorney Jen Sander, the team discusses converged threats, response, and management best practices.
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It's been a minute, but the team is back to examine recent and relevant events to protectors, practitioners, and the more significant risk and security industry.
This month the team discusses efforts to bring security to Haiti, Shinzo Abe assassination probes, a break-in and assault at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's home, and The hacking of the New York Post's Twitter feed. We riff on insider threats, how to think about risk monitoring, coffee, and pay a small homage to a long-time quiet industry supporter.
Finally, the team digs into the upcoming Close Protection Conference, the agenda, sponsors, and our fantastic host.
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Imagine waking up in the middle of the night to a threat standing in your bedroom doorway. With no prior training or experience, that is precisely the moment Donna Miles and her then-husband faced. Listen to her harrowing story, learn how the couple reacted, and how she used it to reshape her life, empower others to manage their mindset, and become hard targets. Find out more about Donna's work over at https://www.hardtargetliving.com/
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With the team on the road, Chuck managed to grab multiple protectors and have a quick discussion about GSX '22 and the industry.
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GSX is leading this month's early edition of shoptalk as your CiCP team discusses issues of interest to the protective risk community. Join the team and listen in as they discuss the recent attempt to assassinate the VP (and former President) of Argentina, the targeting of an heiress, Alicia Keys brush with her audience, HNW prepping, positive feedback from the protector community (no seriously), and more! Please give us your feedback at protectiontalk@outlook.com.
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From a Devil Dog to a global security leader, Matt Bohatch has used flexibility and personal awareness as foundational principles in his career. Joining the United States Marine Corps when it was pretty certain you would find yourself in a combat theater, Matt used the skills he acquired as a Marine Embassy Security Guard to launch a successful close-protection career. Matt discusses his decision to become a protector and how being focused and situationally adaptable has helped him along the way. He talks about his time at Gavin de Becker & Associates, working as a contractor, and determinations that would eventually find him leading physical security operations for the Washington Post. Grab your pencils for this one!
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Risks continue, which means there is never a lack of issues for the team to discuss. Please join the conversation as the team CiCP examines recent developments in Haiti, assassination attempts and attacks, and why protectors should take that recent Apple cyber security announcement seriously. We take time to discuss risk as a tool for network expansion, risk monitoring, the power of NSTRs, and communicating threats within the "protective supply chain." All this... and more!
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From a desire to enter the sportscasting arena, Wendy Bashnan quickly pivoted to a life in Law Enforcement fueled by a desire to be in Diplomatic Security. Wendy takes a career worth of experience and talks to the team about what she learned and how she used those lessons to pivot into a corporate security leadership role with a Fortune 500 organization. Grab your pencils and get ready...
Humbleness, gratitude, honest self-assessment, and a desire to learn are all things anyone starting in the security industry should keep forefront of their mindset. But what if you already have a successful career and four world MMA world championship titles? The famous martial artist Bruce Lee said, "If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves." MMA Champion-turned-protector Eric Utsch talks to CiCP about what he has brought with him as a new protector and what he has left behind. It is an excellent conversation about mindset, honing your skillsets, and being open. Grab your pencils for this one, as Eric delivers some great advice, philosophy, and tips.
Summertime is here, and it continues to be heated in the security field. With half the team on the road, it's a caffeine-fueled deep dive into the issues. Including the NYC nuclear attack public service announcement, the late John McAfee's bodyguard's legal matters, large retailers shuttering stores over safety concerns, perceptions about risk mitigation, and more. Join the conversation and give us your thoughts at protectiontalk@outlook.com
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In this archive edition, the team is joined by Bryan Flannery for a special episode discussing managing the protective environment within a house of worship and religious organizations. Bryan is the President of Foresight Security Consulting and the President of the Northwest Chapter of the Association of Threat Assessment Professionals (ATAP). He has extensive experience in both the government and private sides of security, protection, and threat assessment and advises multiple religious groups on their protective footprint.
Motorcycle showman Evil Knievel said, "I think if you have ability and talent in one way, you have it in all ways. I'm not a jack of all trades; I'm a master of many. I don't feel there is anything I can't do if I want to."~ Being a multifaced lifelong learner is one element in many successful practitioners and leaders. Listen to the team breakdown "The Sum of Your Business" host Tim Flood's discussion with Chuck about polymaths. - Give us your feedback protectiontalk@outlook.com
The team caught up with former US Army Ranger, Protective Security Detail Operator, and Corporate Security Specialist Brad Shepherd in Ukraine, where he is operating to deliver needed medical supplies and training resources. With connections to Chris and Chuck, he details how he came to serve in Ukraine (and many other global hotspots), what it takes to work there, and his current observations. It's an excellent conversation about using your network, maintaining awareness, and having a flexible mindset. Join us!
Please consider helping Shep's mission - https://www.gofundme.com/f/independent-volunteer-for-ukraine
What do reporters, protectors, and intelligence analysts all have in common? The North Group's Vice President of Communications, Natasha Ryan, joins the team this week to discuss that and more. Natasha brings a unique perspective to the industry via her background as a reporter and her time in the media and communications industry. She talks about her passion for security, and situational awareness, gives some tips on briefing, and what's the best way to approach developing professional networks. Grab a pencil and get ready! Please give us your feedback at protectiontalk@outlook.com
In this episode of Shop Talk, the team discusses the tragic events in Uvalde, TX, among other issues affecting the protector and risk-practitioners community. Please consider helping the Uvalde community - https://saafdn.fcsuite.com/erp/donate/list
Navy Seal, CIA Operative, and Author Clint Emerson recently released his newest book, "The Rugged Life." The team decided to revisit our discussion with him in honor of that. Please enjoy hearing about Clint's background as Seal, Operative, and Author.
While not back into full gear, the world continues to find ways to open up. Multiple practitioners have emailed and asked how to remain fluid in the current state of play in terms of opportunities and growth. In this week's episode, the CiCP team responds to these questions from listeners and discusses what they have heard from the field. Join the conversation at protectiontalk@outlook.com.
This week the CiCP team sat down and talked to the incredibly driven, life-long learner and security business owner, Mark Mireles. He has a background in martial arts, the military, and a highly decorated 30-year veteran of law enforcement and now runs a successful security company in Beverly Hills. This is one of those recipes for success episodes. Grab a pen and paper and take notes. Excellent tips for success from LAPD's only 3 time Medal of Valor earner.
April's ShopTalk is here. The team takes a break from operations to catch up and make sense of the headlines. This month they unpack emerging information about the acquittals in the plot to kidnap the Michigan Governor, Los Angeles' rise in gang directed crime, continued efforts (or not) surrounding the investigation into Haitian President Moise's assassination, Fake Homeland Security agents, the US' re-opening of a Ukraine embassy, and more. Get your coffee ready and join in the conversation at protectiontalk@outlook.com
Spending over four decades working in the security and combatives space, Marcus Torgerson has worked and become "the nightmare for bad guys." In this archive edition, listen in on Marcus' journey within the industry, Krav Maga, his philosophy, and how he teaches de-escalation and violence-of-action to defenders everywhere. Find out more about him at https://marcustorgerson.com. Let us know your feedback at protectiontalk@outlook.com
This week the CiCP team discusses a topic they don't touch on very often, but one near and dear to – well – competence and doing the job well: training. We talk to AS3 Driver Training's Co-Founder, Pablo Ortiz Monasterio, about AS3's focus on training foundations and the scientific method to learn and retain performance information. It is an excellent discussion that applies to training and learning across the board, not just driving. Join us. Give us your perspective at protectiontalk@outlook.com
This week we talk with PICCT Security Solutions' CEO Thomas Geppert. Thomas and Chuck go way(!) back, and it shows. Moreover, this week's conversation shows the evolution of the protective industry and the capabilities its practitioners bring to the table by taking opportunities and keeping an open mind. Listen in as this leader in the space shares his views on the industry from a German perspective and its future operational and business needs. Give us your feedback at protectiontalk@outlook.com.
A varying viewpoint is always beneficial. It helps us see the bigger picture, recognize trends, and gain a deeper understanding. Optimal Risk's (and charter security professional) Mike O'Neill gave us just that. Join the CiCP team as they unpack a conversation with Mike in which he shares his thoughts about the industry, career pivots, hybrid threats, learning, standards, and more. Grab your pencils for this one! Let us know your thoughts at protectiontalk@outlook.com
March 22 shop talk is up is a big episode as the team highlights issues and articles for protectors and risk leaders to consider. The crew discusses deep fakes, the RaySecur Inc. mail security report, legal proceedings in the Denver TV station guard shooting, facility security breaches, CISAs satcom warnings, Russia/Ukraine, and more. Reach out to us at protectionTalk@outlook.com
When someone says "yes" to opportunity, interesting things happen. Heather MacDonald said yes to helping with a new tool used to provide protective intelligence. Now she works with current and potential clients looking for intelligence tools , understanding their use cases and needs. This gives Heather a unique perspective of what the industry is trying to accomplish, how it approaches challenges and ostensibly, what the future of the space may look like. If you are a protective intelligence platform user, or are looking at one, this is an episode for you.
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We grabbed a few moments with George Taylor of Exlog Global to discuss the current security situation in Ukraine, supporting evacuations and other needs. George shares his operational wisdom and approach to protective operations and the complexities in the war that are much different from our most recent conflicts.
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Dean Baratta has had an incredible journey to managing protective intelligence and protective operations. He has worked tactical intelligence, counterdrug support, counternarcotics at the state level and then was the Chief of Intelligence for New Jersey before moving to the private sector and managing intelligence and executive protection. Oh, did we mention he is also an adjunct professor at Rutgers? This is a great discussion about leadership, communication, execution and growth.
It's February ShopTalk. The team discusses current events in the risk space, including Apple's Air Tags, Russia's lead-up to Ukraine, a no-fly list suggested by airlines, 5G network upgrades, NSO spyware, and how practitioners should consider bias in the work. The crew also discusses the recent story involving social media influencer Ava Majury's issue with a stalker that led to a fatal showdown at her home last July. Please give us your feedback at protectiontalk@outlook.com.
This week an excellent smorgasborg of contributors as we share and discuss The Circuit Magazine's excellent webinar segment on executive protection's role in workplace violence. Listen in as Chris Grow, Chris Sipe, and Chris Story have a discussion with The Circuit Magazine's Master of Ceremonies Phelim Rowe about the subject. Then, Chuck and Chris further break down the topic in the various roles. Great discussion and timely as we slowly move back to the office.
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Often our listeners want to understand the business side of security as pertains to their business. Whether you're in a corporate environment, a provider, a consultant or a practitioner, there is a lot to unpack in this episode with Sage Group's Ron Worman, a business strategist and consultant who is passionate about the security industry.
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The annual 10K report produced by publicly traded companies is valuable for security practitioners and risk leaders. Join the team as they discuss the aspects of the 10K and why it's essential for you - whether you run a security organization or work as an independent consultant and contractor. Give us your feedback - protectiontalk@outlook.com
This week we go a bit strategic, discussing the World Economic Forum Risk Report, tensions between Russia and the Ukraine and identifying escalation/de-escalation indicators. As well, we talk about the “SOC of the Future” video we watched. A good week of high-level discussions.
Process for process sake is not a good thing. However, process to ensure increased results and probability of success is. This week we listen in as Dr. Jeremy Weisz from the The Process Breakdown Podcast talks with Chuck about the processes used in protection and consulting to derive foundational questions and start points to deliver the appropriate results and performance on protective details and consulting projects. It is a great discussion Chuck and I elaborate on in our analysis.
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Elijah Shaw is an icon in the protective industry. Whether as an operator, author, trainer, or businessperson, he is constantly on the move with the mantra, “Always make sure they call you back.” This week, we finally caught up with Elijah to unpack his passions and pathways in the protection industry. As the CEO of ICON, Elijah has built a brand along with an operational footprint. As an author, Elijah has shared his experiences in, “An Introduction to Celebrity Protection and Touring: A Guide to Mastering the Business of VIP Security” which he wrote with fellow practitioner, Dale June. It is a thoughtful discussion about trajectories, passion, acumen, and operations.
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In this week’s episode, Chuck was invited to speak on a webinar with the folks over at protective intelligence company Ontic Technologies, about “Establishing an Intelligence Baseline”. In the discussion, Ontic's COO Tom Kopecky and Association of International Risk Intelligence Professionals board member Chuck give insight into how protection and intelligence teams can speak a common language when it comes to protective intelligence and early threat detection, communication better and develop efficient and effective workflows in establishing a professional intel baseline.
Rory Steyn sits down with Chuck and Chris to reflect on his career, including his time as one of President Nelson Mandela's security team leaders. From a young boy to his current role as co-founder of NSA Global Security Consultants’, we discuss his career and perspectives as an observer and participant to historical racial change. It is a captivating discussion that includes everything working across divides to internal and external threat assessment to accomplish a protective mission for one of the greatest leaders in history in a period of great transition.
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In this episode we talk to Filippo Marino, one of the protective industry's foremost thought leaders on risk, both personal and organizational levels. Risk is not only Filippo's expertise, but his passion.
Filippo gained a lot of experience over the course of his career in the Italian military and furthered it in corporate environments for global brands and organizations. This week, he guides us through high level approach to thinking about and mitigating risk from an executive protection perspective. Join us as we explore and discuss risk and data in making security decisions for our clients.
We discuss training a lot on this podcast because we need to continually hone our skills. As we face some very interesting challenges these days we have to ask ourselves if we are properly prepared for them. Sure we can survive them, but how many of us truly challenge ourselves to gain the capability to face a myriad of issues with multiple tools and honestly measure our success in them? This week we talk to Josh Burmeister about exactly those issues and more. Josh has been on before talking about preparedness. Join us to hear what he has to say about training and standards.
Lee Oughton, the COO of Fortress Risk Management based in Mexico, is a security thought leader. Recently he challenged the industry and those in it to think bigger and be better in everything we do. That challenge almost demanded we speak to him to get his perspective and its a positive one. Lee's tag on his LinkedIn page is Framing Futures. In this interview you understand why he has this as a focus, what he means by being better, conducting operations in Mexico and why he is focused on making security sexy.
This week we talk to former US Department of State Diplomatic Security Service Agent Fred Burton, best selling author of "Ghost: Confessions of a Counterterrorism Agent". Fred's career spans some of the most interesting times and terror events in history. We talk to Fred about the evolution of protective security and protective intelligence throughout the years and what we should look for in the future as well and technology's impact on security. Fred is a wealth of knowledge. Listen in as he shares with us.
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Chasing Shadows: A Special Agent's Lifelong Hunt to Bring a Cold War Assassin to Justice
Under Fire: The Untold Story of the Attack in Benghazi
Beirut Rules: The Murder of a CIA Station Chief and Hezbollah's War Against America
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This week we look to the other side of protection as we get perspective from former property manager/estate manager turned Property Butler, Lucien Boivin III. A second-generation estate/property manager, Luc takes great pride in delivering on service. His customers and their repeat business are a testament to his service focused success. Close Protection professionals can learn a lot from how he approaches service from delivery to metrics. Join us!
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This week we talk Close Protection with former UK Intelligence and Close Protection Operator Neil Davis, Managing Director of Go Noisy in Bulgaria. Go Noisy was created to raise the standards of both those who wish to pursue a career in the Close Protection industry or improve on Essential Skills for High Risk environments.
Neil has been employed around the world in austere and challenging environments. He shares that experience with us and his students through his CP courses.
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One of the many great presentations at the Close Protection Conference is the Lessons Learned Series, where we talk to a protector that has dealt with extraordinary circumstances in the commission of their duties. This week we hear Martin Kirsten talk about dealing with a stalker and what he did to keep his principal from a committed adversary all while staying visible. It is an incredible story. Let us know what you think protectiontalk@outlook.com.
Jason Falla is a former member of the Australian SAS and former Australian Commando who trains elite military, law enforcement and select civilians in current, relevant lifesaving tactics, techniques and procedures in mobile force protection, high risk vehicle tactics, night vision tactics and other weapons courses. As most attacks happen in and around vehicles Jason was the guy to talk to about vehicle tactics. Join us a Jason breaks down actions on contact in a motorcade and a myriad of other topics in this episode.
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This week we talk more celebrity protection with Chris Sipe about his journey from the U.S. Marine Corps into the celebrity protection part of the industry. From learning the ropes on the fly, self discovery and self management to working with many different personalities, Chris shares his perspective on what it takes to be successful in the hectic world of celebrity protection and close protection in general.
This episode we talk training and targets with retired US Navy SEAL and USG security contractor Garrick “Fern” Fernbaugh of High Value Target. As shooting and tactics get more refinement through teams engaged in global operations, those involved in it bring their evolving techniques and the science of training and adult learning to practitioners. Fern discusses training techniques, targets, prioritization and holding ourselves to a higher standards to push our skills, not only in shooting, but other areas of the profession. Join us in the conversation and let us know what you think.
As COVID 19 continues to unfold, many have talked about preparedness and how to deal with the current pandemic situation. With this in mind, we decided to re-post an earlier episode (with a new intro from Chuck and Chris) with Josh Burmeister. In this episode, Josh discusses emergency/disaster preparedness and how we plan for and approach it from a protection perspective. Given the current environment, you will listen to this with a whole new perspective.