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Fr. Dave Pivonka, TOR, and Bob Rice are friends who see humor and hope in a crazy world. Whether they are talking about sports, movies, politics, the Church, or their own lives, Fr. Dave and Bob try to find Christ in all things, even in the messiness of today’s culture. “They that hope in the Lord will renew their strength” (Isaiah 40:31). Come be refreshed and renewed!
What happens when you pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet in St. Faustina’s backyard?
This week, Father Dave shares powerful moments from his recent pilgrimage to Poland—visiting sacred sites tied to St. Maximilian Kolbe, St. Faustina, and St. John Paul II. From celebrating Mass at Kolbe’s friary to walking through Auschwitz and Birkenau, it’s a glimpse of God’s mercy amid some of history’s darkest places.
While Father Dave walked in the footsteps of saints, Deacon Bob found hopeful witness in the desert. He returns from the Life Teen Catholic Youth Ministry Convention in Arizona, where he gave a talk on “Radiant Hope” and reconnected with longtime friends in ministry. Together, the hosts reflect on the quiet, often unseen ways God raises up saints in every generation—even in the most unexpected places.
And yes, this episode still includes classic They That Hope moments: breakfast with Father Dave’s brother Tom, a temporarily misplaced child on the New York subway, and a burning question: Why does the French Open have two names?
Highlighted Sections
(00:00) Breakfast with Tom, Arizona Adventures, and Youth Ministry in the Desert
Deacon Bob recounts his recent trip to Arizona for the Life Teen Catholic Youth Ministry Convention where he reconnected with ministry leaders and gave a keynote on “Radiant Hope.” He also shares a surprise breakfast meet-up with Father Dave’s brother, Tom (a loyal listener), some humorous travel woes, and the joy of being surrounded by those serving the Church’s youth.
(04:08) Sports Recap: NBA, NHL, Tennis, and... Golf?
From unexpected NBA playoff upsets to a grueling five-set French Open final, Father Dave and Deacon Bob weigh in on recent sports headlines. They touch on the drama of playoff hockey, marvel at JJ Spaun’s 62-foot putt, and clear up (sort of) why the French Open is also called Roland-Garros.
(09:01) Audiobook Adventures
Deacon Bob announces that his book Sharing the Gospel with Our Lives is getting the audiobook treatment—and he’s narrating it himself. He shares the process (including a mysterious home studio in Columbus), while Father Dave recalls the heartbreak of being cut off with just 15 minutes left in a Navy SEAL memoir due to subscription limits.
(16:29) Pilgrimage to Poland: Kolbe, Faustina & Divine Mercy in Dark Places
Father Dave reflects on the deeply moving pilgrimage he led across Poland. Highlights include Mass at St. Maximilian Kolbe’s friary visiting the birthplace of St. Faustina, and praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet in St. Faustina’s backyard with her niece. He shares how the lives of these saints—and the sobering visit to Auschwitz and Birkenau—revealed the light of God even in history’s darkest moments.
(23:02) Saints Amidst Suffering
As conflict rages in places like Gaza and Ukraine, the hosts reflect on how God raises up saints in every era. From the Missionaries of Charity caring for the vulnerable in war zones, to everyday youth ministers and celibate religious, they honor those whose quiet, faithful witness brings hope to the world.
(28:22) Radiant Hope in Service
Expanding on his convention talk, Deacon Bob shares how true Christian hope is made visible through acts of loving service. Drawing from Scripture and the Visitation of Mary, he explains how hope, though unseen, shines clearly in those who serve joyfully and sacrificially.
Resources Mentioned
· Sharing the Gospel with Our Lives: A Relational Approach to Catholic Youth Ministry by Deacon Bob Rice
· LifeTeen Catholic Youth Ministry Convention
· In Person with Bishop Cozzens on Faith&Reason
· Hoopla streaming app
· Franciscan Catechetical Institute
· Divine Mercy Shrine in Kraków, Poland
· Niepokalanów, St. Maximilian Kolbe’s Friary
· Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum
· How to Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet
There’s a new pope—and he’s an Augustinian!
In this episode, Father Dave and Deacon Bob discuss the election of Pope Leo XIV, the first member of the Order of St. Augustine to lead the Catholic Church. They explore why St. Augustine’s Confessions remains a spiritual masterpiece and how his vision of community, conversion, and interior prayer speaks to the Church’s call for renewal today.
Naturally, they go off on many tangents, starting with a chilly trip to Cedar Point, detouring through spelling bee glory and NFL drama, and ending in Poland (via pilgrimage, not roller coaster). And yes, they say “Pope” a lot. Allegedly, it boosts downloads. (Spoiler: It works.)
Highlighted Sections
(00:00) T-Shirts, Field of Dreams, and the Pope Bump
The episode opens with an early Father’s Day gift: a nostalgic T-shirt featuring Field of Dreams. This sparks a discussion about podcast stats and the surprisingly real “Pope bump,” where there seems to be an uptick in listeners anytime the pope is mentioned in the title. For science, they test it live.
(03:45) Teacups, Tournaments, and the Cold Ride of Aging
Deacon Bob recounts a brisk grandkid-filled day at Cedar Point, while Father Dave recaps the equally chilly Memorial Golf Tournament in Dublin, Ohio. Along the way, they correct a Jack Nicklaus/Jack Nicholson mix-up and debate whether roller coasters or golf better reveal our age.
(10:28) Spelling Bees, Stage Fright, and Childhood Wins
The Scripps National Spelling Bee champ nails “éclaircissement,” then collapses with joy. That memory sparks their own stories: Father Dave’s catechism bee victory and Deacon Bob’s state theater auditions. They reflect on the pressure of performing, the resilience it builds, and how these moments shape us.
(16:11) Pope Leo XIV, St. Augustine, and Why Confessions Still Matters
The first Augustinian pope opens the door to rich reflections on St. Augustine’s enduring legacy. Father Dave and Deacon Bob spotlight Return to the Heart by Dr. Shane Owens, which unpacks the biblical themes in Confessions for today’s reader. Owens also recently joined Father Dave for an episode of Franciscan University Presents to discuss how Augustine’s life and writings continue to guide hearts back to Christ.
(21:05) Pentecost, Pilgrimages, and the Road Ahead
Pentecost kicks off a summer of spiritual encounters: Heather Khym leads the first Glory: A Women’s Gathering, Deacon Bob heads to the LifeTeen Catholic Youth Ministry Convention, and Father Dave departs for a pilgrimage to Poland to visit sites connected to St. John Paul II, St. Faustina, and St. Maximilian Kolbe. They share the joys of ministry on the move and the fresh hope the Holy Spirit always brings.
Resources Mentioned
- Return to the Heart: The Biblical Spirituality of St. Augustine's Confessions by Dr. Shane Owens
- St. Augustine’s Confessions and Us with guest Dr. Shane Owens – Franciscan University Presents
- Glory: Women’s Gathering Steubenville Conference with Heather Khym
- LifeTeen Catholic Youth Ministry Convention
- Confessions by St. Augustine
- Poland Pilgrimage: In the Footsteps of St. John Paul II & St. Faustina with Father Dave Pivonka, TOR
Why does the Ascension of Jesus—one of the great feasts of the Church—end up celebrated on a Sunday in most dioceses, while others keep it on Thursday? And what does that tell us about our faith, traditions, and the challenges of Holy Days of Obligation? Father Dave and Deacon Bob unpack the significance of the Ascension within the Paschal Mystery, showing why it’s more than just a “tag-on” after Easter, but a powerful reminder of Christ’s victory and our shared destiny in Him.But as usual, sports, movies, and mild chaos before the theology kicks in. Join them as they recap the NBA and NHL playoffs, share stories from the Indy 500, Monaco Grand Prix, and Coca-Cola 600, and offer a review of Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning (complete with seat mix-ups and a D-Box adventure). They also chat about Father Dave’s solo Thai food outing, pay tribute to the late George Wendt—aka Norm from Cheers—and reflect on how these everyday moments can point us toward joy, gratitude, and community.The episode wraps with humor, brotherhood, and a reminder that no matter where you are—whether at a car race, a movie theater, or Mass on Sunday—our true hope is in Jesus Christ. And yes, the Topps Pope Leo XIV baseball card is still on their wish list.Highlighted Sections(00:00) Playoff Plot Twists, Fast Cars, and Father Dave’s Almost-Trip to the Indy 500
Father Dave and Deacon Bob kick off the episode with a rundown of the latest sports headlines, including the Pacers and Knicks battling in the NBA playoffs, and the Edmonton Oilers and Florida Panthers making waves in the NHL. They also discuss the excitement surrounding the Indy 500, the Monaco Grand Prix, and the Coca-Cola 600.(12:07) Movie Review: Mission Impossible + Solo Movie Etiquette
Father Dave recounts his solo movie theater adventure to see Mission Impossible: Final Reckoning, complete with a funny seating mishap and his first-ever D-Box chair experience. They reflect on the perks (and occasional awkwardness) of going to the movies alone, and whether movie theaters are best for deep conversations or just a chance to unwind.(20:03) Thai Food, Pity Tips, and Remembering Norm
The conversation shifts to Father Dave’s recent solo Thai food experience—one of the best meals he’s ever had, which he may or may not have posted about on Instagram—and a reflection on how dining alone can be a quiet joy. They also pay tribute to the late George Wendt (Norm from Cheers)and share laughs about a show that captured the essence of community in the most unexpected places.(26:13) Relics on Display and Catholic Curiosities
The hosts dive into the story of St. Teresa of Avila’s relics being publicly displayed, exploring the beauty, reverence, and quirkiness of Catholic traditions. They discuss how relics inspire faith, connect us to the saints, and remind us that the Church is both ancient and alive.(28:41) Thursday or Sunday? The Ascension’s Place in the Paschal Mystery
Father Dave and Deacon Bob unpack why the Ascension is a crucial part of the Paschal Mystery, how it’s celebrated differently across dioceses, and why it’s much more than just a calendar quirk. They encourage listeners to see these Holy Days as not just “rules to follow” but as moments to pause, celebrate, and remember the story of salvation.(37:45) Closing Blessings, Pentecost Prep, and Hope in the Everyday
The episode wraps with reflections on Pentecost, Holy Days of Obligation, and staying grounded in faith—whether you’re at a playoff game, a movie theater, or wrangling kids at home. Father Dave offers a prayer for graduates, families, and the entire They That Hope community, with a reminder that hope is our anchor—on Thursdays, Sundays, or any day in between.Resources Mentioned* Steubenville Conferences – SteubenvilleConferences.com
* Discipleship Quads – dquads.com
* Topps Pope Leo XIV Baseball Card
The NBA playoffs may be unpredictable, but at least summer blockbusters deliver. In this episode of They That Hope, Father Dave and Deacon Bob unpack the Cleveland Cavaliers’ devastating playoff collapse (RIP hope), debate baseball scandals from Pete Rose to steroid-era legends, and preview the biggest summer movies hitting theaters. From Marvel’s new Thunderbolts to the return of Mission: Impossible and a much-anticipated Fantastic Four reboot, they break down what’s worth watching and what might just be movie theater popcorn filler. Alongside the movie chatter and sports rants, Deacon Bob introduces an exciting revival of a powerful small group ministry: Discipleship Quads. This free resource fosters spiritual growth through intentional, weekly gatherings rooted in Scripture, catechesis, and deep personal sharing. With new momentum and even a Spanish-language version, the Quads model is helping people grow in faith and community across the country. (Check it out at dquads.com.) The episode wraps with reflections on Pope Leo XIV’s installation Mass, his moving words of humility, and the symbolic weight of receiving the Fisherman’s Ring. As the Church welcomes a new pope, Father Dave and Deacon Bob consider what might lie ahead in his papacy—including the possibility of a historic first visit to Ukraine. As always, expect humor, brotherhood, and a reminder that our hope isn’t in playoffs or premieres—it’s in Jesus. Highlighted Sections (00:00) Postseason Chaos and NBA Plot Twists Deacon Bob and Father Dave kick off the episode with a spirited sports recap, reacting to the Cleveland Cavaliers’ playoff collapse and the unexpected shape of the NBA postseason. They debate changing legacies, cheer for the Knicks, and comment on the Toronto Maple Leafs’ latest heartbreak in hockey. (05:23) Baseball Scandals and Hall of Fame Debates
From debates over Pete Rose to steroid-era sluggers like Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa, the hosts unpack the evolving conversation around integrity in baseball and eligibility for Cooperstown. (14:18) Speaking of Movies: Summer Blockbusters Begin Summer movie season kicks off with Marvel’s Thunderbolts, and Father Dave shares why this new team-up film hits just right. The duo also discuss upcoming blockbusters like Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning and the much-anticipated reboot ofTheFantastic Four: First Steps, as well as kids' flicks like How to Train Your Dragon and Lilo & Stitch going live-action. (23:11) A Ministry That’s Multiplying: Discipleship Quads
Father Dave and Deacon Bob talk about Discipleship Quads—a free resource from Franciscan University that helps small groups grow in faith together. Recently refreshed with new materials and a Spanish-language version, this initiative is spreading globally and helping transform Catholic community life. (26:30) A Pope Named Bob (Sort Of): Leo XIV’s Installation
Pope Leo XIV’s inauguration Mass moved the world—and the hosts—with moments of humility and reverence. They reflect on his powerful statement of servanthood and the symbolism of receiving the Fisherman’s Ring, traditionally used to seal papal documents. (32:10) Praying for Ukraine and Papal Diplomacy
As the pope meets with global leaders, including U.S. officials, Deacon Bob and Father Dave explore the possibility of his first papal trip being to Ukraine. They also reflect on early reports of peace talks and the potential impact of a papal presence in times of global tension and reconciliation. Resources Mentioned * Discipleship Quads – dquads.com
* Homily of Pope Leo XIV during the Mass of Inauguration of the Petrine Ministry – NCR Online.
Habemus Papam! The Church has a new pope—and he’s from Chicago.
In this episode, Father Dave and Deacon Bob react with joy, awe, and a healthy dose of disbelief to the election of Pope Leo XIV, a South Side Chicago native and fellow “Bob.” The first American pontiff, Leo XIV is an Augustinian, missionary, canon lawyer, and lifelong baseball fan with deep roots in both Villanova and Peru. His election is already making waves—and memes.
Before diving into Vatican news, the hosts process a different kind of drama: sports heartbreak. Bob relives the Cleveland Cavaliers’ playoff collapse—one for the record books—and the deep disappointment that followed. Father Dave offers perspective (and a hopeful prediction) before they shift gears to highlight Franciscan University's Commencement weekend. From Mary Rice Hasson’s bold defense of the human person to Bishop Andrew Cozzens’ catechetical preaching, the event was a joyful witness to faith and truth.
Finally, they unpack the significance of the name Leo, what this new pope may prioritize, and how the legacy of Pope Leo XIII—with his groundbreaking encyclicals on labor, justice, and the Holy Spirit—may resonate in the years ahead.
From Chicago sports to conclave suspense, from Catholic memes to Marian devotion, this episode is a fast-paced blend of humor, reverence, and hope for the Church’s future under a pope who, as Bob puts it, “plays Wordle with his brother and orders from Wawa.”
Resources Mentioned The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty * Rerum Novarum* by Pope Leo XIII * Pope Leo XIV – Live Coverage and Commentary (Vatican News)
What does it feel like when the eyes of the world turn to the Sistine Chapel, as everyone waits for white smoke? In this episode, Father Dave and Deacon Bob explore the sacred mystery—and human drama—of a papal conclave. But first: baseball, astronauts, Marvel movies, and pierogies.
Father Dave shares a powerful conversation with retired astronaut and U.S. Air Force General Kevin P. Chilton, who received the Eucharist in space. The hosts also discuss the lesser-known fact that Buzz Aldrin took communion on the moon, blending space exploration with sacred devotion.
Meanwhile, Deacon Bob reflects on being left out of both that interview and a May the 4th Star Wars-themed baseball game (yes, stormtroopers and all), and offers a spoiler-free review of Marvel’s new film Thunderbolts.
The hosts unpack the process of the papal conclave, exploring how the Holy Spirit leads (without micromanaging) the selection of a pope. They also respond to the controversial AI-generated image of Donald Trump dressed as pope—shared by official White House social media—and call for reverence during this pivotal moment in Church history.
As always, the episode blends solemnity with laughter—from memories of first Communions and unforgettable Masses to hot takes on sports, politics, and pilgrimage.
Resources Mentioned * In Person interview with Astronaut Kevin Chilton – Faith and Reason * The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty * “Buzz Aldrin Took Holy Communion on the Moon. NASA Kept it Quiet” by Erin Blakemore for History.com.
The Chair of St. Peter is empty, the world is watching, and the Church is praying.
In this episode of They That Hope, Father Dave and Deacon Bob reflect on the death of Pope Francis and the moving events surrounding his funeral in Rome. From the emotional procession through the streets—past landmarks like the Colosseum and the TOR friars’ house—to the intimate ceremony at St. Mary Major, they recount moments that highlighted the late Holy Father’s love for the poor and his devotion to simplicity.
With the conclave just days away, the hosts also look ahead to what’s next for the Church. Will we see the first Italian pope in nearly 50 years? What does the increasingly global College of Cardinals mean for the future of the papacy? And what role does the Holy Spirit truly play in the selection of a pope?
Of course, it wouldn’t be They That Hope without a few tangents—this week includes Deacon Bob’s snowy NBA playoff experience in Cleveland (Cavalanche!), draft-day drama from the NFL, and the 20th anniversary of Revenge of the Sith (yes, Bob saw it in theaters—no, he didn’t wear a Jedi robe... but he wanted to).
They also reflect on the feast of St. Joseph the Worker and its bold stand against communist ideology, the forgotten value of learning for its own sake, and the cultural obsession with work and identity.
As the Church prays “Come, Holy Spirit” over the conclave, Father Dave and Deacon Bob invite listeners to join in hope—and in prayer for whoever the next successor of Peter will be.
Highlighted sections
(00:00) Cavalanche! NBA Playoffs and Draft Drama
Deacon Bob kicks things off with tales from a Cleveland Cavaliers playoff game—complete with fake snow and “Cavalanche” chants. The duo also dives into the NFL Draft: its surprising popularity, emotional player stories, and one disturbing prank call that made national news.
(17:37) Star Wars Nostalgia and the Return of the Sith
Deacon Bob celebrates Revenge of the Sith's 20th anniversary with a trip to the theater, reflecting on movie memories, lightsaber-worthy soundtracks, and how the prequels might’ve aged better than expected—at least compared to the sequels.
(22:03) Farewell, Holy Father: Remembering Pope Francis
Father Dave shares moving moments from Pope Francis’ funeral and procession through Rome—from the Popemobile carrying the casket past the Colosseum to the tender welcome from the poor outside St. Mary Major. The hosts reflect on the pope’s legacy of humility and love for the marginalized.
(25:32) What Comes Next: The Conclave and the Future of the Papacy
As the cardinals prepare to elect the next pope, Father Dave and Deacon Bob discuss possible frontrunners, the global diversity of the College of Cardinals, and how the Holy Spirit works through discernment—not magic. And yes, there are betting odds.
(29:05) The Holiness of Work: St. Joseph and Vocation
In honor of the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker, the hosts explore the Church’s response to communist ideology, the dignity of labor, and the need to recover the joy of learning and working for its own sake.
(34:12) May the Fourth and Prayers for the Church
As Star Wars Day approaches, the hosts wrap with light-hearted banter and a heartfelt prayer for the conclave—entrusting the Church once more to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Resources Mentioned
- Laborem Exercens by St. John Paul II
Pope Francis has passed into eternal life—and Father Dave and Deacon Bob take time to remember him with reverence, gratitude, and a few good stories.
In this episode, recorded shortly after the announcement of his death, the hosts reflect on the Holy Father’s legacy: his love for the marginalized, his embrace of simplicity, and his tireless call to joy. They recall his early days as a pope who rode the subway, paid his own hotel bill, and preached Christ with bold, missionary zeal. They also explore the complexities of his pontificate—from synodality and youth ministry to off-the-cuff comments and papal “mess-making.”
Before diving into papal memories, Father Dave and Deacon Bob share Easter highlights, including Good Friday homilies, a stunning Exsultet, packed liturgies at Franciscan University and Blessed Sacrament Parish, and many guests at Deacon Bob’s house. From there, they unpack the impact of Evangelii Gaudium, Christus Vivit, and the Jubilee Years, along with Francis’ unmistakable emphasis on mercy, mission, and the personal love of Jesus.
From Triduum grace to tears of gratitude, from liturgical reform to South American subway rides, this episode is a heartfelt farewell to a pope who reminded the Church that, in Christ, joy is always possible. Join us in praying for Pope Francis and the Church he loved.
Highlighted sections
(00:00) News of Pope Francis' Passing
Father Dave and Deacon Bob begin with the solemn announcement of Pope Francis' death, sharing their heartfelt reactions. They set aside their original agenda to honor his memory and reflect on his papacy.
(02:11) Easter Reflections and Good Friday Grace
Deacon Bob describes a spiritually rich Triduum, including his deeply moving Good Friday homily and moments of reverence during the veneration. Father Dave recalls the powerful liturgies at Franciscan University and a Holy Thursday story from Rwanda that shaped his preaching.
(11:06) Joy and the Pontificate of Pope Francis
The hosts reflect on joy as a hallmark of Pope Francis’ papacy—both in theme and in personal testimony. They recall how joy became a grace he received at the beginning of his pontificate, despite his naturally serious demeanor.
(16:47) A Pope Who Wasn’t Afraid to “Make a Mess”
Father Dave and Deacon Bob discuss Francis’ willingness to ask hard questions, provoke dialogue, and advocate for the marginalized. They highlight his synods, pastoral approach, and commitment to listening, even when misunderstood.
(35:14) His Final Easter Message
The episode closes with Pope Francis’ final Urbi et Orbi blessing—a proclamation of hope, mercy, and resurrection. Father Dave and Deacon Bob pray for peace and the guidance of the Holy Spirit in the days to come.
Resources Mentioned
- Evangelii Gaudium – Apostolic exhortation on the joy of the Gospel
- Christus Vivit – Pope Francis’ letter to young people
- The Mission – Film about Jesuit missionaries in South America (IMDb)
This episode was supposed to be Live from PNC Park… Until wind, hail, and freezing temps benched those plans.
Instead, Father Dave and Deacon Bob recap what didn’t happen at the Pirates game—and what did happen at Petco Park, Jackie Robinson Day, and the Pierogi Race. They also cheer for Rory McIlroy’s long-awaited Masters win, reminisce about $300 Air Jordans and train robbers, and share a touching moment from an alumni visit to California.
They close with rich reflections on the beauty of the Triduum—from foot washing and Good Friday sorrow to the light of the Easter Vigil.
Highlighted Sections
(00:00) Pirates Game Rained Out, Pasta Wins the Night
A freezing forecast and 40-mph winds cancel Father Dave and Deacon Bob’s plans for a live episode at PNC Park. Instead, they settle for Italian food, play-by-play reenactments, and philosophical questions like: why wouldn’t you go to Red Robin?
(03:01) Baseball, Scholarships, and One Grateful Mom
Father Dave reflects on a recent trip to California where he met inspiring future Franciscan students—including Abby, a St. Michael Scholarship recipient whose mother wept with joy. They tie it all back to Giving Day and the real, personal impact of donor support.
(07:06) Rory’s Redemption and Golf on the Tarmac
Rory McIlroy finally wins the Masters in a storybook finish. Father Dave watches it unfold from a stalled plane at O’Hare, while Deacon Bob gives golf an “ish” and vents about ESPN’s limited Masters coverage.
(13:33) NFL Faith, Stefanski’s Vocation, and the Baron Club Dinner
Cleveland Browns coach Kevin Stefanski visits campus and shares how faith shows up in the NFL, from pregame Mass to personal vocation. Father Dave previews an upcoming interview and reflects on ministry, family, and football.
(19:05) Holy Week Reflections: From Feet to Firelight
A powerful walk through the Easter Triduum—from the humility of Holy Thursday and the silence of Holy Saturday to the joy of the Easter Vigil. Deacon Bob celebrates the Exsultet, and Father Dave reminds us: don’t skip ahead—stay at the foot of the cross.
Resources Mentioned
- Franciscan University Giving Day – April 23, 2025
- St. Michael Scholarship – Supporting first-generation college students at Franciscan
- Baron Club Dinner – Annual fundraiser celebrating Baron Athletics
- Exsultet (Easter Proclamation) – Chanted during the Easter Vigil
- The Triduum – USCCB resource on Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and the Easter Vigil
- Seven Churches Visitation – Holy Thursday pilgrimage tradition
- “Heaven Is for Real” – Movie based on a young boy’s near-death experience
What happens when you celebrate Palm Sunday and break a historic NHL record in the same week—then try to plan a live podcast at a ballgame?
This week, Deacon Bob Rice and Father Dave Pivonka, TOR ’89, reunite after time on the road to talk sports, saints, and the start of Holy Week. They celebrate Alex Ovechkin surpassing Wayne Gretzky’s all-time goal record, reflect on the highs and heartbreaks of March Madness, and make ambitious plans for a live podcast episode from a Pirates game. Spoiler alert: Torpedo bats and Trevor Williams may be involved.
Meanwhile, Father Dave shares about the overlooked power of Palm Sunday, inviting listeners to stay close to Christ throughout Holy Week—not skipping ahead to the Resurrection, but walking daily with Jesus through His Passion. From the colt that never bucked to the crowds that cheered then jeered, it's a timely call to praise Jesus for who He is, not just what we want Him to be.
Also in this episode: Star Trek celebrity sightings, Minecraft movie madness, and what happens when Jack Black meets Jason Momoa (or a mimosa).
Highlighted Sections
(00:00) Sugar-Free Gummy Bears, Hockey History, and Reunited Hosts
Father Dave and Deacon Bob are back together and immediately dive into some classic They That Hope banter—including unforgettable Amazon reviews of Haribo sugar-free gummy bears. They also celebrate Alex Ovechkin’s record-breaking moment on the ice and marvel at how the NHL pulled out all the stops for the Great Eight.
(04:54) March Madness Surprises and Catholic Coaches on the Court
The NCAA tournament wraps up with buzzer-beaters and big surprises, including historic representation among head coaches. The hosts reflect on what it means to win—and lose—with class, and how faith sometimes shows up courtside.
(09:38) Torpedo Bats, Million-Dollar Cards, and a Possible Live Episode
A new MIT-engineered “torpedo bat” sparks baseball buzz as the Yankees open strong and then crash hard. Meanwhile, a rare Paul Skenes card sells for a jaw-dropping price, and Deacon Bob pitches the idea of recording a live podcast from PNC Park.
(11:45) Arthur Brooks, Evangelization, and the Art of Disagreement
Father Dave shares a moment of deep insight from his recent interview with Harvard professor Arthur Brooks, who spoke on campus about evangelization in a divided world. They reflect on the importance of friendship, dialogue, and belonging when sharing the Gospel with those who think differently.
(23:19) Movies, Mimosas, and the Minecraft Mayhem
Deacon Bob survives the cinematic chaos that is the new Minecraft Movie, starring Jack Black and Jason Momoa. The hosts also look ahead toMission: Impossible,Thunderbolts, and the hopeful return of truly great summer blockbusters.
(25:51) Palm Sunday Reflections and Staying with Jesus in Holy Week
The hosts reflect on the beginning of Holy Week and the often-overlooked beauty of Palm Sunday. They explore what it means to praise Jesus not just for what He does, but for who He is—and invite listeners to walk with Christ, one day at a time, through the Passion.
Resources Mentioned
- In Person with Arthur Brooks – Faith and Reason
- Love Your Enemies by Arthur Brooks
- A Minecraft Movie
- Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning
- Thunderbolts
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the start of the baseball season, March Madness, role-playing games, and Dcn. Bob’s son receiving a hockey puck from Sidney Crosby. Fr. Dave shares some beautiful things he experienced in Austria last week. They also delve into a profound discussion on Jesus' encounter with the woman caught in adultery, meditating on his merciful response.
Father Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss March Madness, Bob's mission trip to Belize, Fr. Dave's pilgrimage to Rwanda, and look ahead to this Sunday's Gospel about the Prodigal Son. Tune in to find out if Bob actually went in—or at least near— the ocean!
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss their upcoming mission trips to Belize and Rwanda, reflecting on the impact of missions on students and communities. They delve into a light-hearted critique of the worst sports teams to cheer on as a fan, recounting frustrating fan experiences. They pay tribute to the late actor Gene Hackman and reflect on President Trump’s recent speech and the challenges of bipartisan politics. They close They That Hope with the Transfiguration Gospel reading, emphasizing the importance of recognizing the glory of the Lord in daily life.
In this episode, Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob start with Fr. Dave’s experience at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C. They discuss the attempt to banish the “tush push” in the NFL and the rising popularity of phone booth boxing. They also talk about the Trump-Zelenskyy conflict at the White House and the reinstatement of the federal death penalty. Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob offer personal reflections on faith and leadership. The episode concludes by highlighting a new Lenten initiative featuring Gospel readings and prayers.
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In this episode of They That Hope, Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob start with updates on hockey and baseball, including the Yankees' new grooming policy and the adoption of “robo umps.” They also humorously tackle the greatest James Bond villain ever—Amazon Alexa—following Amazon's acquisition of Bond rights. They touch on Trump's executive order on IVF and its implications from a Catholic perspective. They pray for Pope Francis' health and address the challenges of Lent and fasting. Finally, they share signs of hope and encourage listeners to engage in their faith journeys thoughtfully.
It was an all-star weekend! Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the Four Nations Tournament (former NHL All-Star Game), NBA All-Star Weekend, Saturday Night Live’s 50th Anniversary, the new Captain America movie, Rwanda, and the meaning of "ordo amoris."
Fr. Dave turned 60! He and Dcn. Bob talk about the Super Bowl, NBA trades, anxiety in young people, and the importance of Christian unity.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob are disappointed about the upcoming Super Bowl matchup (but will probably watch anyway). They discuss the relationship between faith and science, their birthdays (Bob’s was last Sunday, Fr. Dave’s is this Saturday), the March for Life, and the U.S. Bishops’ most recent statement on immigration.
It is our 200th episode! Fr. Dave is “trapped” in Florida, and Dcn. Bob is recovering from being sick. They discuss the Notre Dame loss, NFL upsets, Trump’s inauguration, the ceasefire in Gaza, and a week of great liturgical feasts including the Conversion of St. Paul.
Though their favorite NFL teams are out of the playoffs, Fr. Dave is excited about Notre Dame making it to the college championship! Dcn. Bob baptized his grandson last week. Fr. Dave led a pilgrimage to Guadalupe. They also talk about Blessed Miguel Pro, the fires in California, Ordinary Time, and introduce a new segment to the podcast to celebrate the jubilee year, “Signs of Hope.”
The Jubilee of Hope has begun! In their first podcast of the New Year, Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the college football and NFL playoff picture, Bob’s broken rib, SEEK 2025, the attack in New Orleans, and how the media is changing its coverage of Pope Francis.
Dcn. Bob got to be in the tunnel of a Buccaneers game, but Fr. Dave got a private audience with the pope! They talk about sports, insane money in baseball, Red One, how friars celebrate Christmas, and reflect on what it means that Jesus is Emmanuel, “God with us.”
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In this SUPERCUT episode, you can enjoy all of Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob's commentary on Pope Francis' encyclical, Dilexit nos, in one fell swoop.
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Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss why they love to talk about sports as much as they do, stories from Thanksgiving, movies they saw over the weekend, and the first week of Advent. They also finish their reflections on Pope Francis’ document, “He Loves Us.”
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Today’s episode is brought to you by the letter F! Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about football, femurs, faith, food, friars, friends, and (Pope) Francis. Happy Fhanksgiving!
Fr. Dave stayed up to watch the Mike Tyson fight, and Dcn. Bob is glad he didn’t. They talk about NBA, NFL, college football, Bob’s visit to the shrine of Our Lady of Champion, Fr. Dave’s visit to Washington D.C., and continue their reflections on Pope Francis’ document, “He Loves Us.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the NFL, the undefeated Cavaliers, Franciscan Men’s Soccer winning their conference (Bob’s son is on the team), Trump’s election victory, what happens next for Kamala, films by Martin Scorsese (mostly inaccurate), and continue their reflections on Pope Francis’ document, “He Loves Us.”
Dcn. Bob is thrilled that baseball is finally over! He and Fr. Dave talk about the NFL, NBA, Bronny, Disney World, and the election, and begin to discuss Pope Francis’ latest encyclical, “He Loves Us.”
The World Series is set! It will be Yankees vs. Dodgers in an historic showdown. Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob also talk about professional and college football, Bob’s new book, Donald Trump at McDonalds, “subversive Catholicism,” Pope St. John Paul II, and Blessed Karl of Austria.
Fr. Dave visited an aircraft carrier at sea! He and Dcn. Bob talk about the MLB playoffs, college and professional football, Pete Rose, and how to have hope in the last weeks before the election.
Dcn. Bob met Captain Kirk! He and Fr. Dave talk about the “Brady vs. Baker” fight, MLB playoffs, and going to Hamilton with students. They also offer prayers for those affected by the hurricane this past weekend.
Fr. Dave’s Broncos beat Dcn. Bob’s Buccaneers, yet they remain good friends! They discuss other NFL results, Shohei Ohtani’s “50/50” season, World Series predictions, violence in the Middle East, and the Vatican’s recent approval of Medjugorje devotion.
Dcn. Bob calls in from Kansas City! He and Fr. Dave talk about the NFL, concussions, last week’s presidential debate, and active shooter drills. They conclude by reflecting on the promise of Jesus, “I have overcome the world” (John 16:33).
This episode is essentially a therapy session to console Fr. Dave after the shock loss of Notre Dame football. He and Dcn. Bob also discuss the NFL (Bucs win!), the baseball game they almost went to, 9/11, James Taylor, and the Exaltation of the Cross.
Dcn. Bob finally found something worth watching in baseball! He and Fr. Dave talk about the opening weekend of college football, a pregnant Paralympian, being trapped in space, and the legacy of St. Teresa of Calcutta.
It’s back to school time! Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about classes resuming at Franciscan University, NFL kickoff weekend, steroid baseball, identity politics, and what it means to be a “community of believers.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob recap the highs (Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone) and lows (Raygun) of the 2024 Olympics! They also talk about Taylor Swift, politics, Alaska, and sacred art.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob conclude their analysis of the seven deadly sins. In this episode, they discuss lust, gluttony, and wrath. PARENTAL WARNING This episode contains open discussion about mature subjects. Headphones recommended.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob are back in the studio together! They catch up on a crazy two weeks of Olympic scandals, political mishaps, and amazing conference experiences.
Fr. Dave and Heather Khym team up for a very special crossover episode, recorded with a live audience at the National Eucharistic Congress in Indianapolis!
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about soccer, tennis, the tragic shooting at the Trump rally, a book about ADHD, jubilee pilgrimages, and the conclusion of Pope Francis’ new edict, “Hope Does Not Disappoint.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the scandal in MLE (Major League Eating), the new basketball Olympic Dream Team, politics, and Pope Francis’ new edict, “Hope Does Not Disappoint.”
In a slow sports week, Dcn. Bob is excited that Bronny James gets to play with his dad in the NBA. Fr. Dave has a different opinion. They also discuss the Olympics, the presidential debate, and the upcoming 2025 Jubilee Year
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about sports, weddings, the Priests, Deacons, Seminarians Retreat, fatherhood, Steubenville Youth Conferences, and the Eucharistic Revival Pilgrimage that came to Steubenville last weekend.
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Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob are thrilled that USA beat Pakistan in the World Cup of Cricket, though neither of them know anything about that sport. They talk about the U.S. Open, NBA and NHL finals, Fr. Dave’s pilgrimage to Assisi, challenges in the Diocese of Steubenville, local tragedies, and claiming victory in Jesus Christ.
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While Fr. Dave is leading people on a pilgrimage to Assisi, we bring you this compilation episode of our discussions on Sloth, Envy, Pride, and Greed. Don't worry: Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob know that there are three more deadly sins, and will discuss those in future shows. For now, enjoy this supercut!
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Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob catch up on the NBA, NHL, WNBA, MLB, and even the UFL! They also discuss Trump, pilgrimages, and the pope’s interview on 60 Minutes.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about imprisoned golfers, fist fights at NASCAR, commencement speeches, and Christ the King Chapel.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about NBA and NHL finals, Mother’s Day (belated), graduation at Franciscan, and the feasts of the Ascension and Pentecost.
Dcn. Bob is excited that the Cavaliers have made it to the semi-finals, and Fr. Dave brings up close finishes in auto- and horse-racing. They also talk about finals week, the upcoming graduation at Franciscan, and vocations (it was Fr. Dave’s 28th anniversary last Saturday).
Fr. Dave visited Mexico City, and Bob’s son got engaged! They talk about NBA and NHL playoffs, the baseball uniform controversy, protests on college campuses, Franciscan’s response to new Title IX changes, and Our Lady of Guadalupe.
This past weekend, Fr. Dave got to fulfill a life-long dream by attending the Masters Tournament. He and Dcn. Bob talk about the NBA playoffs, the sin of gluttony, and Pope Francis’ latest document on human dignity.
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For all his talk about seeing the “totality” of the solar eclipse last Monday, Fr. Dave didn’t even go! Thankfully, Dcn. Bob did. They talk about the end of March Madness, Banana Ball, the NAIA’s decision not to allow biological males in women’s sports, Divine Mercy, and a retreat for mothers and daughters.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the start of the baseball season, March Madness, the total eclipse of the sun, unusual things Bob carries in his backpack, last weekend’s Triduum, and how to celebrate the Easter season.
Fr. Dave just got off a flight from Austria and does a late-night recording with Dcn. Bob! They talk about March Madness, Haiti, the upcoming solar eclipse, Holy Week, and the Easter Triduum.
Dcn. Bob survived his trip to Belize! He and Fr. Dave talk about March Madness, the Pittsburgh Steelers, spring break mission trips, and the capital sin of greed.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about new records set in basketball, a home run in spring training, personal vocation, Super Tuesday, the sad situation in Haiti, what happened with Church Militant, and the capital sin of pride.
Fr. Dave is excited about baseball’s spring training. Dcn. Bob? Not so much. They discuss recent travels, deepfake videos, artificial intelligence, the Kids Online Safety Act (KOSA), and how to avoid the sin of envy.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob risk their lives to bring you this episode! They talk about hockey, women in basketball, the NBA All-Star Game, the importance of leisure, and the sin of sloth (or acedia).
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the Super Bowl (which they hadn’t seen yet), the Baseball Hall of Fame, answer questions from listeners (finally!), and share their most effective Lenten fasts.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob welcome Jake and Heather Khym into their very crowded studio. They talk about F1 racing, World Cup Soccer, least favorite movies, unpopular opinions, and the retreat on campus last weekend, and share insights on God the Father.
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Perhaps eating donuts while recording isn’t the best idea, but Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob do it anyway. They talk about the NFL playoffs, argue over who gets to root for the 49ers in the Super Bowl, share what kind of art and music they enjoy, and discuss the pope’s recent comments about hell.
Father Dave shows how insensitive he is by forgetting Deacon Bob’s birthday and that the Buccaneers lost to the Lions. They discuss NFL football, witnessing faith in sports, gambling, the March for Life, the new spring semester, and challenges in parish ministry.
Dcn. Bob is going to the Buccaneers’ playoff game and hopes they win (they did!). After talking about other NFL playoff games, he and Fr. Dave discuss upcoming elections, Ohio laws about transgender athletes, the upcoming March for Life, surrogacy, and the pain of infertility.
Deacon Bob is very excited about the Buccaneers getting into the playoffs. He and Fr. Dave talk about sports, the 800th anniversary of the Nativity scene, what they did over the break, books they are reading, finding hope in tragedy, and Father Dave’s new video series, My father’s Father.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob brave the frozen tundra of The Rink at Franciscan Square as they do their first (and maybe last) outdoor episode! They discuss the NFL playoff picture, do a deep dive on what the Vatican said about blessing same-sex couples, and conclude with a reflection on Christmas.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the latest sporting news (go Bucs!), ice skating, the State of the University, what happens when you divorce faith from reason, and their homilies from the second week of Advent.
Dcn. Bob is in Florida to root on the Buccaneers (they won)! He and Fr. Dave talk about football in the rain, homemade candy fails, Franciscan athletics, ice skating, and the First Sunday of Advent.
00:00 Welcome to They That Hope!
00:41 Football in the Rain
02:37 College Football Travesties
07:33 Hell is Real (Soccer)
09:20 Homemade Candy Fail
12:26 Franciscan Athletics
15:15 Ice Skating and Hockey
18:32 Shortest Advent Ever
21:26 Ranking the Liturgical Seasons
23:03 Ad Orientem in Advent
24:41 Reflections on the First Sunday of Advent
33:19 Closing Prayer and Goodbye
Dcn. Bob can’t believe Fr. Dave doesn’t know who Patrick Dempsey is! They talk about how their Thanksgivings went, sports, Scorigami, cruises, pro-life losses in politics, and the media’s narrative on Pope Francis.
Happy Thanksgiving! Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob are grateful to be back “home” in the studio as they discuss sports, Christmas shopping, the perfect Thanksgiving, finding hope in tragedy, and the removal of Bishop Strickland. The only topic they didn’t discuss? This is their 150th episode!
Fr. Dave is sick in Steubenville, and Dcn. Bob is loving it in London! In addition to their usual sports commentary (congratulations to the Texas Rangers), they share what they love about the theater.
Fr. Dave calls in from Austria! He and Dcn. Bob talk about the MLB playoffs and other sports, first cell phones, the deaths of Matthew Perry and Adam Johnson, the Maine shootings, and the conclusion of the Synod on Synodality.
Dcn. Bob was in Tampa last weekend to watch two of his favorite teams lose. He and Fr. Dave talked about the MLB playoffs, rugby (for way too long), the start of the NBA season, Franciscan’s offer for Jewish students, and the ongoing Synod on Synodality.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the Buccaneer’s “Creamsicle” jerseys, the MLB playoffs, Yogi Bear, the violence in Israel, what the Church teaches about our Jewish brothers and sisters, trusting in the Holy Spirit, and “fixed dispositions” that keep us from doing God’s will.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the MLB playoffs, the NFL (say no to Swift), Fr. Dave’s trip to Rome, Dcn. Bob’s trip to Notre Dame, youth ministry, ecumenism, the new bishop of Steubenville, and synodality.
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Fr. Dave had a tough football week with Notre Dame’s close loss and the pummeling of the Denver Broncos. He and Dcn. Bob discuss other sports, running shoes, life in the friary, prayers for the dead, and the upcoming Synod.
Dcn. Bob got to baptize his grandson, Peter! He and Fr. Dave discuss the NFL, Notre Dame, baseball, the graces of baptism, different perspectives on the Synod on Synodality, and how we can be united in the Church’s mission.
Are you ready for some football? Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss highlights from week one in the NFL (go Bucs!), winning the U.S. Open, Father Dave’s trip to Yosemite, the newly beatified Ulma family, ordinary sainthood, and the importance of communion in synodality.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss college football, Nebraska women’s volleyball, Jimmy Buffett, Jurassic Park, the Savannah Bananas, ADHD (Bob has it), the stigma of mental health issues, and the Synod on Synodality.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob are excited for the new school year to begin! They discuss Bob Barker (RIP), Simone Biles, Messi, college football, moon landings, “Disagree Better,” the Synod on Synodality, Polaroid pictures (do not shake!), and Franciscan’s theme for the school year, “Bread of Life.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about pre-season football, betting on golf, travel nightmares, the most beautiful places they’ve been, and their devotion to Mary.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the USWNT, Messi, tailgating, World Youth Day, the Eucharistic Revival, the permanent diaconate, and St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Lawrence.
Fr. Dave talks about his trip to two baseball stadiums in California, Dcn. Bob shares about his new grandson, and they both discuss sports, movies, and the feasts of the Portiuncula and St. Mary Major (Our Lady of Snows).
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about Lebron James’ new number, Messi in Miami, summer movies, the Eucharistic Revival, human trafficking, and the feasts of St. Mary Magdalene and St. James.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about what they were like in high school, this past weekend’s youth conference, vocations, and how we are all called to live out the poverty, chastity, and obedience of Jesus.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss current news, golf, a perfect game, appropriate ways to celebrate secular holidays at Mass, and the dangers of “new” Gnosticism.
Fr. Dave calls in from Scotland where he is leading a pilgrimage. He and Dcn. Bob talk about the NBA draft, Oklahoma women’s softball, the theme for this year’s Steubenville Youth Conferences, and the tragic history of Protestant and Catholic fighting in the UK.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss Miami sports, “sportswashing,” the tension between faith and the world, and the power of praise and worship music.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the NBA finals, the LA Dodgers’ controversy, Fr. Dave’s visit to the Martyrs’ Shrine in Canada, and the feast of Corpus Christi.
The NBA and NHL playoffs are heating up! Fr. Dave shares about his vacation, Dcn. Bob talks about his son’s wedding, and they both discuss heresies in the Church and what the feast of the Most Holy Trinity means for our lives.
Dcn. Bob recorded this podcast from the Pittsburgh airport, the Detroit airport, a plane to Houston, and in Houston, Texas! He shares new music from the album he recorded with the Brewer Sisters called, “The Hours.”
After the obligatory sports segment (with new theme music!), Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about Franciscan’s graduation weekend, being “dangerously good,” vacation disasters, and wedding fails.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob went to a baseball game that was delayed two hours because of rain and the home team lost 10-1, reinforcing Bob’s belief that baseball might not be the most exciting sport to watch. They talk about gambling (is it a sin?), favorite books (spiritual and non-spiritual), and Our Lady of Fatima.
Dcn. Bob had a tough sports week, with both his Cavs and Lightning out of the playoffs. He and Fr. Dave recap NBA, NHL, and MLB news, share some listener emails, talk about the beauty of Catholic apostolates and the blessings and challenges of Father Dave’s 27 years as a priest.
Abiding Together attacks! Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob record their podcast in the aftermath of a glitter-bomb/soy candle assault on their studio. They heroically persevere to record this episode, talking about the Cavaliers, artificial intelligence, Dennis Prager’s visit to Franciscan, and ecumenism.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob do their usual sports update (with a moment of silence for the Pittsburgh Penguins) and talk about ’80s music, weird dreams, women’s ministry, and the “signs and wonders” of Easter.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the start of baseball season (and other sports), their experience of the Triduum, and the spirituality of Easter.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about NCAA basketball, the start of baseball season, Bob’s first time doing a eucharistic procession, and what they love about the Easter Triduum.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the NBA (go Cavs!), March Madness (go Owls!), Curling (go… somebody?), secular movies, religious movies, Andrew Lloyd Webber musicals, Palm Sunday, and Holy Week.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about March Madness, the beauty of celibacy, and how Jesus comes to us in the midst of our suffering (John 11). Human Sexuality Content: From 16:48-23:31, the podcast discusses marital intimacy, celibacy, and other human sexuality topics that may not be appropriate for all ages. Listener discretion is advised.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about Mikaela Shiffrin (a USA alpine skier who just broke a record), journalism in a post-truth world, sharing the faith with others, and the cure of the man born blind (John 9).
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob don’t know what movies are up for an Oscar, but that doesn’t stop them from talking about the Oscars. They also discuss the Cavs game they went to with fellow alumni, Amber VanVickle’s funeral, and the woman at the well (see John 4).
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss Banana Ball (Fr. Dave got an autographed picture!), hockey, travel, the beauty of nature, and the Transfiguration.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob have a pretty strong disagreement about the value of All-Star games. They also disagree about the Ant-Man movie they saw together. What do they agree on? Jesus is our hope in the midst of tragedy, and Lent is a wonderful time to draw closer to the Lord.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob cover the NBA, the Super Bowl, the beauty of diversity, and how wonderful our students at Franciscan are!
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss what it means to have authentic friends in our lives and look ahead to the Lenten season.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the upcoming Super Bowl, the Cardinal McElroy article, bias in the media, and the Liturgy of the Hours.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about seasons, football, eucharistic miracles, the March for Life, and the conversion of St. Paul.
It is the beginning of a new year and a new semester at Franciscan! Dcn. Bob is excited to be back in the classroom, and Fr. Dave shares about his pilgrimage to the Holy Land.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the four reasons the Catechism of the Catholic Church gives for the Incarnation: to reconcile us to God, so we know God’s love, to be a model of holiness for us, and so we can partake in the divine nature.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the World Cup Final (which Bob didn’t see), the new Avatar movie (which Fr. Dave hasn’t seen), and the fourth reason for the Incarnation.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob make World Cup predictions, argue over whether people still throw rice/birdseed at weddings, talk about finding hope in death, and discuss how Jesus is our “model of holiness.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob record a podcast during a Tampa Bay Buccaneers game, which neither of them were at. They talk about student initiatives for young adults who struggle with same-sex attraction and their gender identity. They also examine the second reason why the Word became flesh.
Fr. Bob and Dcn. Dave talk World Cup soccer, college football, their favorite beers, recent movies and plays they have seen, and begin their four-part series, “Why did the Word become flesh?”
It’s ESPN meets EWTN! Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss Our Lady of America, Bob’s first Baptism, the World Cup, “sportswashing,” and the passing of Fr. Dominic Scotto, TOR.
Fr. Dave shares about one of the best sporting events he has ever attended, Dcn. Bob talks about the retreat he went on last week, and they both talk about how to find hope in difficult times.
This episode is a compilation of the conversations that Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob had as they reflected upon St. Paul’s Letter to the Philippians.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the World Series, the NBA (go Cavs!), Halloween, and the mid-term elections. They conclude their study of Philippians by reflecting on what it means to do all things “through him who gives me strength” (Phil. 4:13).
Fr. Dave calls in from Austria! He and Dcn. Bob discuss the World Series, the potential merger of the Diocese of Steubenville, a personal letter from Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, and how we can “have no anxiety at all” (Phil. 4:6).
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob celebrate the 100th episode of They That Hope by doing a live recording with our students, most of whom are stressed about mid-term exams. They discuss their favorite moments and the scriptural theme for the school year, Galatians 5:13.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about cheating at chess, the feast of St. Francis, and being “imitators” of other disciples and saints.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob may sound like they recorded this episode using the drive-thru speaker at Burger King, but they didn’t. Honest. They discuss the passion play at Oberammergau, youth ministry, the president of Hungary’s visit to Franciscan, and the “supreme good of knowing Christ Jesus” (Phil. 3:8).
Are you ready for some football? Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the kickoff weekend, cancel culture, the passing of Queen Elizabeth, and how to work for salvation in “fear and trembling.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about sports and why they love them (even when their teams lose), the beatification of Pope John Paul I, and Philippians 2:1-11.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss fantasy football, Padre Pio, Shia LaBeouf, and the end of the first chapter of Philippians.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob argue about whether or not Banana Ball is a sport, they share wonderful ministry moments they have had recently, and begin their reflection on St. Paul’s Letter to the Philippians.
Over Easter 2022, Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob spent the end of each episode looking at one of the petitions of the Our Father. This episode brings all those reflections together into one podcast.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob reflect on the summer conference season at Franciscan and the feast of the Portiuncula, then Fr. Dave previews his upcoming video series on God the Father.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the 75th Anniversary Alumni Reunion, the German Synod, and Pope Francis’ “pilgrimage of penance” to Canada.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob share about their travels over the past weeks and discuss the theme of this summer’s Steubenville Youth Conferences, “Fearless.”
In Lent 2022, Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob dedicated the last part of each episode to one of the seven virtues. In this “supercut,” we put all those reflections together.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob rejoice that Roe v. Wade was overturned last Friday, and discuss the ramifications for our Church and our country.
After the Warriors’ victory and the Lightning loss, Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob wonder if the “They That Hope” curse is a real thing or if Bob just roots for losing teams. They also discuss last week’s Priests, Deacons, and Seminarians Retreat and the last petition of the Our Father, “deliver us from evil.”
Dcn. Bob can’t stop talking about the moped he just got! He and Fr. Dave also talk about sports, last weekend’s Steubenville Youth Conference, and what it means to pray, “lead us not into temptation.”
Recorded live at the Power and Purpose Conference with Heather Khym (their first guest ever!) from the popular podcast, "Abiding Together." Fr. Dave, Dcn. Bob, and Heather talk about conference experiences, the dead body at Heather’s wedding, and what it means to pray, "forgive us as we forgive others."
In this episode, Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob went to the movies! Literally. They began the podcast, left to see Top Gun: Maverick, then came back to finish the recording. They had a need for speed.
Bob was on vacation in Florida and hadn’t heard much about San Francisco’s Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone denying the Eucharist to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Fr. Dave fills him in, and they close by discussing what it means to pray, “Give us this day our daily bread.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob apologize to the sports teams they cursed by rooting for them. They also discuss graduation, replica diplomas, and what it means to pray “Thy will be done.”
Dcn. Bob gives a spoiler-free review of the new Doctor Strange movie and explains why he shaved his head. He and Fr. Dave discuss the leaked majority opinion in Dobbs and explain what it means to pray, “thy kingdom come.”
It must be spring because Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob break into song a lot this episode. Fr. Dave seems unaware that sports other than baseball are being played. They discuss an op-ed he wrote about transgendered athletes and reflect on the petition of “hallowed be thy name.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob begin their series on the Our Father. They also discuss doing parish missions, Disney World, and apologize for jinxing the Phoenix Suns.
Though the Cavaliers didn’t make the playoffs and the Nationals have lost three of their last four games, Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob have their hope in Jesus! It was Bob’s first Holy Week as a deacon, and he and Fr. Dave talk about the Triduum. They also reflect on the Lenten virtues, and share their Easter theme.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob are excited about Holy Week! They discuss basketball (go Cavs!), baseball (go Nats!), and the triduum (go Jesus!). They also answer the question, “What’s love got to do, got to do with it?”
Grogu has been rescued from Castle Grayskull! Fr. Dave and Bob also discuss NCAA basketball, Dr. Jordan Peterson’s visit to campus, and how the virtue of hope is an important part of Holy Week.
Now, it is Fr. Dave’s turn to be in Arizona, and he and Dcn. Bob finally figure out Daylight Saving Time. Other topics include sports, the Oscars, Our Lady of Knock, and the virtue of faith.
Fr. Dave is in Austria, Dcn. Bob just got back from Arizona, and neither of them knows what time is. They discuss basketball, how Mass is more than a communion service, and the virtue of temperance.
Between Brady “un-retiring” and the baseball strike being over, it’s amazing Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob find time to talk about anything else. But they manage to discuss mission trips, liturgical seasons, and continue their Lenten reflection on the virtues, focusing on justice.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob converse about a wide range of topics, such as tattoos, Franciscan households, the baseball strike, the State of the Union address, the crisis in the Ukraine, and cardinal virtue of prudence.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss the crisis in the Ukraine. They begin their Lenten reflection on the virtues by talking about fortitude.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the NBA All-Star Game (Bob was there!), offer prayers for the Ukraine, and discuss the best way to prepare for Lent.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about the Super Bowl, the Olympics, how sports can be a good source of unity, and how “missionary dating” can be a bad idea.
Bob is in mourning at Tom Brady’s retirement, and Fr. Dave consoles him with mockery. They also talk about Christian unity and devotion to Mary.
Bob shares about his birthday/anniversary trip to Mexico, Fr. Dave discusses transgenderism in sports, and they both rejoice for a friend who will be ordained a bishop.
Bob wanted the whole podcast to be about sports, but Fr. Dave wisely led the conversation to other subjects, such as the upcoming March for Life and the Franciscan charism of “ongoing conversion.”
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob finally got to see the new Spider-Man movie, and Fr. Dave fell asleep at the most important part [SPOILER NOTICE BELOW]. They talk about living in hope (even with COVID still around) and the beauty of Ordinary Time. [To avoid Spider-Man No Way Home spoilers, skip from 2:33 to 5:08]
Fr. Dave’s dad passed away this week, so please keep the Pivonka family in your prayers. Dcn. Bob gives a spoiler-free review of the new Spider-Man movie, talks about gift of hope given to us at Christmas, and closes with a new song.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob talk about their weekends (Bob was in Tampa; Fr. Dave was at home), the Rebuild My Church Capital Campaign, and how to rejoice in the Lord in difficult circumstances.
Fr. Dave and Dcn. Bob discuss taking kids to sporting events, the tragedy in Michigan, preparing for Christmas, and what “peace” really means.
Fr. Dave and Deacon Bob talk about Bob’s first week as a deacon, Thanksgiving, Christmas shopping, decorating the Christmas tree (yes, even the friars do it), and the theme for the first week of Advent, which is … HOPE!
Fr. Dave and DEACON BOB (hurray!) talk about Bob’s ordination, the Rittenhouse trial, Veggie Tales music, and the meaning of Thanksgiving.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about Top Gun, the U.S. Bishops’ Conference (where Bob is recording from), and the feast of Christ the King.
Bob and Fr. Dave have a great conversation about spiritual attack and St. (Mother) Frances Cabrini. Bob shares why this is one of his favorite “sports” times of the year (hint: Cavs are winning!).
Fr. Dave shares where he was last week and why he hasn’t been watching the World Series. He and Bob talked about Halloween, the challenge of educating your kids, St. Charles Borromeo, and St. John Lateran.
Bob talks about his weekend in Tampa, accepting God’s will in tough circumstances, and the virtue of hope. Fr. Dave just keeps saying, “Baseball.”
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about baseball, broken guitars, St. John Paul II, and fasting with joy.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about sports and movies, finding peace amidst the busyness, and what they love about St. John XXIII and Vatican II.
This time, it is Bob’s turn to be exhausted. He visited his son at (REDACTED) college over the weekend, while Fr. Dave celebrated Homecoming Weekend at Franciscan. After discussing the usual (sports, shots), they share what they love about the Rosary.
Fr. Dave needs more sleep. After talking about sports (and Bob’s dog), they discuss the Women’s Health Protection Act, the importance of standing up for the dignity of life, and the plethora of saints the Church celebrates this week.
Fr. Dave and Bob celebrate one year of They That Hope by doing what they always do: talking about sports, culture, and faith. Specifically, baseball, the Emmys, and St. Vincent de Paul.
After talking about sports and sharing fun wedding stories from our listeners, Bob shares he is having a tough time because some of his family have tested positive for COVID. He and Fr. Dave talk about finding hope in the midst of adversity.
Bob has a new puppy! Fr. Dave and Bob talk about family pets, sports, being honest with God in difficult situations, and Mary’s birthday.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about letting go of things, how to have hope when you feel helpless, and the witness of Catholic marriage.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about New Student Orientation at Franciscan, catch up on emails, share what they love about several of this week’s saints, and reflect on the University’s scriptural theme for the year.
Fr. Dave and Bob return from a two-week hiatus and discuss what they’ve been up to, cool brain science, spiritual healing, and going back to school. Please excuse our technical difficulty earlier!
Fr. Dave had breakfast with Jesus (Jonathan Roumie, the actor from The Chosen). He and Bob talk about the Olympics, St. Martha, and why the Feast of the Portiuncula is so important to Franciscans.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about the blessings of ministry, Pope Francis’ new regulations on the Latin Mass, and the feast of St. Mary Magdalene.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk sports (shocker), taking kids to Mass, living our faith in public, and what we can learn from St. Kateri and St. Bonaventure.
Fr. Dave and Bob call in from Austria and New Hampshire, respectively. They talk about the importance of leisure, the beauty of travel, and how they have grown through prayer.
Fr. Dave and Bob reflect on summer vacations, the beauty of being made in the image and likeness of God, and the example of unity given to us by Sts. Peter and Paul.
Fr. Dave and Bob share their thoughts on the Priests, Deacons, and Seminarians Confer… uh, Retreat, the bishops’ upcoming statement on the Eucharist, and the Nativity of St. John the Baptist.
Fr. Dave and Bob tell stories of courage and cowardice, discuss the importance of religious liberty, and reflect on what it means to be restored in Christ.
Recorded live during the 2021 Power and Purpose Conference, Fr. Dave and Bob tell fun stories of their conference experiences, take questions from the audience, and rejoice doing summer conferences again.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about Memorial Day, the blessings of 2020, and the celebration of Corpus Christi. After the episode is a song Bob wrote about the Eucharist, “I Shall Be Healed.”
Bob talks about graduations, ordinations, ordinary time, and the Trinity while Fr. Dave tries to make him pass out with frequent references to needles and blood.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about being “privileged,” what they love about summer, why the times might not be as unprecedented as we think, and how the Holy Spirit changes everything.
Eugene Scalia's Commencement Address may be viewed here (speech begins at 28:04): https://bit.ly/3tYrTdK
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about Mother's Day, St. Matthias, the Ascension, and what they like/don’t like about graduation.
Fr. Dave and Bob tackle controversial issues, such as President Biden being Catholic, the pressure to get (or not get) the COVID vaccine, and comparing Field of Dreams to Star Wars.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about the wisdom of parental deception, the Oscars, the 25th anniversary of Fr. Dave’s ordination, St. Gianna Molla, and St. Catherine of Siena.
Fr. Dave and Bob discuss the (almost) perfect game, the Derek Chauvin trial, and the anchor of hope. Also, they argue about superpowers.
Also, we talk about a quiz that someone put together, which can be found here: https://forms.office.com/pages/responsepage.aspx?id=Q18QqPffhEiaYOrvjpidowWEz8Vey95BpVSmaYqkzhxUNzZLQ0FMNTVDS0VWVlNXUVNBRTJPMk1UQS4u
Fr. Dave and Bob recorded this podcast way past their bedtimes, but somehow found a way to say something inspirational about living with Easter joy.
Fr. Dave and Bob are giddy with excitement about Easter week! They share their experiences of the Easter Vigil, fond memories of John Paul II, and why they think Pope Francis listens to the podcast.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about the beauty of the Triduum: Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and the Easter Vigil.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about basketball, marathons, family schedules, and the feast of the Annunciation.
Fr. Dave is back in America but his luggage is not. He and Bob talk about Daylight Saving Time, summer conferences, St. Patrick (pray for Ireland!), and St. Joseph.
Fr. Dave calls in from Iraq and shares stories about the faith of Iraqi Christians, the power of forgiveness, and the hope Pope Francis brought to the people there.
Bob shares some emails, Fr. Dave talks about the Equality Act, and they both discuss how to “boast in hope” in a post-Christian culture.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about the Mars landing, Franciscan households, and love for the Pope and the Church.
Bob hates Lent, Fr. Dave loves it, and they both discuss ways to get the most out of it.
Surprisingly, the Super Bowl was NOT the best thing about Bob’s weekend. Fr. Dave and Bob talk about retreats, healing, patience, and something about a banana.
Honestly, the beginning of this podcast is utter nonsense, but Fr. Dave and Bob redeem themselves by talking about St. Blaise, the many graces of the Mass, and how holiness is more than just not sinning.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about birthdays, March for Life, Scriptures of hope, and conversion.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk sports (AGAIN!), the inauguration, Christian unity, and the conversion of St. Paul.
Fr. Dave and Bob discuss football (Tampa Bay), fellowship, the chaos in D.C., and finding God in the “ordinary.”
Fr. Dave and Bob discuss football, politics, baptism, and how happy they are to be in 2021.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about what they love about Christmas (spoiler: it has to do with Jesus) and resolutions for the new year.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about the Christmas Star, what makes a Christmas movie, and how excited they are about the Year of St. Joseph.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about Marvel movies, Star Wars (again), Our Lady of Guadalupe, and the challenge of always rejoicing in the Lord.
Includes a spoiler for “Chapter 14: The Tragedy” from The Mandalorian between 5:33 to 6:52. We share because we care.
Fr. Dave was infected with COVID, Bob was infected with fear of COVID, but both rejoiced in the many things they are thankful for as the season of Advent begins.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about family memories, drive-in movies, favorite foods, and reasons to be thankful as we enter into Advent.
Fr. Dave reflects on the death of his brother, Bob shares about how excited he was to become an acolyte, and they both talk about having hope in the Church, even in the midst of scandal.
Fr. Dave’s older brother passed away last weekend. Fr. Dave and Bob talk about finding hope in the midst of pain and suffering.
About “They That Hope”
Fr. Dave Pivonka, TOR, and Dr. Bob Rice are friends who see humor and hope in a crazy world. Whether they are talking about sports, movies, politics, the Catholic Church, or their own lives, Fr. Dave and Bob try to find Christ in all things, even in the messiness of today’s culture. “They that hope in the Lord will renew their strength” (Isaiah 40:31). Come be refreshed and renewed! Brought to you by Franciscan University of Steubenville.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about keeping our eyes fixed on heaven (especially when things are crazy on earth) and how important it is for families to pass on the faith to their kids. Regardless of the election result, Jesus is still Lord!
About “They That Hope”
Fr. Dave Pivonka, TOR, and Dr. Bob Rice are friends who see humor and hope in a crazy world. Whether they are talking about sports, movies, politics, the Catholic Church, or their own lives, Fr. Dave and Bob try to find Christ in all things, even in the messiness of today’s culture. “They that hope in the Lord will renew their strength” (Isaiah 40:31). Come be refreshed and renewed! Brought to you by Franciscan University of Steubenville.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about the miracle of life (and how Bob thinks it is gross), the challenges and blessings of families, scary movies, sad movies, and favorite saints.
About “They That Hope”
Fr. Dave Pivonka, TOR, and Dr. Bob Rice are friends who see humor and hope in a crazy world. Whether they are talking about sports, movies, politics, the Catholic Church, or their own lives, Fr. Dave and Bob try to find Christ in all things, even in the messiness of today’s culture. “They that hope in the Lord will renew their strength” (Isaiah 40:31). Come be refreshed and renewed! Brought to you by Franciscan University of Steubenville.
Fr. Dave and Bob talk about finding hope in movies, how disagreements need not lead to division, and a fun story about when Fr. Dave met St. John Paul II. Be not afraid!
Bob shares a hopeful story about how a congressman changed his life, Fr. Dave talks about being reconciled with our past (both as a country and with ourselves), and they both talk about the inspiring life of St. Teresa of Avila. Listen to the end of the podcast to hear, “Let Nothing Trouble You,” a song written by Bob based on St. Teresa’s prayer.
Bob shares about how he encountered Jesus, Fr. Dave talks about how St. Francis encountered Jesus in a leper, and they both talk about how to encounter Jesus in others (even in those we don’t agree with). Listen until the end to hear a beautiful song by John Paul Von Arx, “He’s Different,” written about his brother with Down Syndrome.
About “They That Hope”
Fr. Dave Pivonka, TOR, and Dr. Bob Rice are friends who see humor and hope in a crazy world. Whether they are talking about sports, movies, politics, the Catholic Church, or their own lives, Fr. Dave and Bob try to find Christ in all things, even in the messiness of today’s culture. “They that hope in the Lord will renew their strength” (Isaiah 40:31). Come be refreshed and renewed! Brought to you by Franciscan University of Steubenville.
In this episode, you learn that Bob knows a lot about movies, Fr. Dave knows a lot about politics, and neither of them know anything about chess. Fr. Dave and Bob discuss the Amy Coney Barrett nomination, high school football, inspirational words from St. Therese of Lisieux, and how Franciscans celebrate the feast of St. Francis of Assisi.
About “They That Hope”
Fr. Dave Pivonka, TOR, and Dr. Bob Rice are friends who see humor and hope in a crazy world. Whether they are talking about sports, movies, politics, the Catholic Church, or their own lives, Fr. Dave and Bob try to find Christ in all things, even in the messiness of today’s culture. “They that hope in the Lord will renew their strength” (Isaiah 40:31). Come be refreshed and renewed! Brought to you by Franciscan University of Steubenville.
In their first podcast, Fr. Dave and Bob talk about the beautiful friendship between Justices Scalia and Ginsburg, the meaning of Christian hope, and what we can learn from the calling of St. Matthew. We also learn that Fr. Dave doesn’t know what a vase is.