Conversations of Change: Recent Episodes
Dr Jen Frahm
A change management podcast with Dr Jen Frahm. I talk with business leaders about the experience of change and transformation.
Gerad's website https://change-rebounded.com/
Gerad's Linkedin=: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerad-collingwood/
4 Corners Episode referenced: https://iview.abc.net.au/show/four-corners/series/2026/video/NC2603H015S00
Bounded rationality - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounded_rationality
NIODA https://www.nioda.org.au/
Connect with Tracey on Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracey-petrie-73530619/
Check out Tracey's resources: https://whitecloudrecruitment.com.au/news-articles/
Ways to standout in a crowded market: https://aclinstitute.com/newsroom/best-change-management-courses-australia/
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandrajhartman/
Change Curiosity Lab https://www.changecuriositylab.com/
Working Out Loud with AI: Building Agile Change Momentum -Webinar https://www.eventbrite.com/e/working-out-loud-with-ai-building-agile-change-momentum-tickets-1975063505111?aff=oddtdtcreator
In this episode of Conversations of Agile Change, Dr. Jen Frahm chats with Dijana Marjanovic Alispahic, Marco Di Santis, and Leah Makin from UniSuper — a powerhouse trio redefining agile change in a highly regulated industry. They unpack their accidental journeys into change, the human side of agile, what brain-friendly practice means for neurodivergent professionals, and the leadership practices that foster psychological safety and creativity. Expect candor, laughter, and a few truth bombs that will stay with you long after the episode ends.
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The shift from waterfall to moments-that-matter in M&A
Cultural due diligence as a critical success factor
Using agile planning in uncertainty
Building trust through iterative communication
Middle manager capability as a game-changer
Top 3 agile tools for M&A
If you’re a change practitioner working on or preparing for M&A—this episode is gold.
🎤 Featuring: Amy Leighton, Enterprise Change Partner at Aurecon
📄 Based on: ACMP’s May 2025 White Paper, Navigating the Future of Change Management
Global Connect - ACMP July conference
In this episode of Conversations of Agile Change, Dr. Jen Frahm sits down with Elizabeth Beattie, Program Change Lead for AI and Innovation at UNSW, to explore what it really takes to lead change in the age of AI. Elizabeth shares how she's applying agile, human-centered change techniques to foster curiosity, build capability, and create safe spaces for experimentation at a research-intensive university. They dive into lessons on leadership vulnerability, why co-creation beats top-down control, and how AI transformations are fundamentally different (and not so different) from past changes. Whether you're a change leader, innovator, or AI-curious, this conversation will spark fresh ideas for your own practice.
Coffee with Fleur podcast
https://www.coffeewithfleurpodcast.au/
The cardboard city
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/arnolddj_changemanagement-innovation-artsandculture-
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Brynn Shader on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/brynnshader/
https://www.brynnshader.com/
Disrupt HR in Denver Talk
The discussion covers the following key topics:
Brain-Friendly Change:
- Designing change experiences that work by leveraging applied neuroscience.
- The importance of moving from fear to flow to overcome change resistance and failure.
- How brain-friendly change can serve as a protective shield against change overwhelm and fatigue.
Understanding Resistance:
- Redefining resistance as a natural response and exploring its neurological basis.
- Strategies for creating approach states and minimizing avoid states to foster engagement.
Leadership and Change:
- The critical role of leaders in setting the tone for change and the impact of their behavior on organizational culture.
- Practical tips for engaging leaders and aligning them with brain-friendly change practices.
Agile and Brain-Friendly Change:
- The synergy between agile methodologies and brain-friendly change.
- How agile practices support continuous learning, collaboration, and psychological safety.
Real-World Applications:
- Michelle shares real-life examples of implementing brain-friendly change techniques in large organizations.
- The significance of co-designing change initiatives with stakeholders to ensure success.
Throughout the episode, Michelle emphasizes the importance of continuous learning and adapting change practices to align with our understanding of human behavior and neuroscience. updates.
Michelle Teunis on LinkedIn (Guest)
Lena Ross on LinkedIn (Host)
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Key themes
- Agile Change Leadership: Exploring the role of agile change leadership in modern organizations.
- World Agility Forum Highlights: Discussing key insights and takeaways from the World Agility Forum conference in Lisbon.
- Challenges in Agile Adoption: Addressing common challenges and misconceptions in adopting agile methodologies.
- Agile vs. Waterfall: Contrasting agile approaches with traditional waterfall methodologies in change management.
- The Future of Change Management: Considering the evolving landscape of change management and the need for practitioners to adapt to new methodologies and tools.
Natasha on LinkedIn
Casa de Cambio website
Natasha's podcast Casa de Cambio
In this episode of "Conversations of Agile Change," Kylie Browne speaks with Lena Ross and discusses her role as a director of organizational change, focusing on digital transformation and organizational agility post-COVID-19. She highlights the accelerated pace of change projects, emphasizing the need for quicker execution with less planning time. Kylie advocates for visual communication in change management, explaining how it simplifies complex information and facilitates effective communication. She also details the development of a community of practice within her organization to deepen change management capabilities at multiple levels. Listeners will learn about implementing agile change management and the benefits of continuous improvement. This episode is essential for anyone looking to understand agile methodologies in contemporary organizational contexts.
In this episode of "Conversations of Agile Change," Dr. Jen Frahm and Enterprise Change Lead Melissa Bialoruski delve into the transformative power of agility and change management. Together, they explore the profound shift from hierarchical control to collaborative co-creation, highlighting the importance of embracing vulnerability and purpose-driven approaches in navigating the complexities of modern organizational change.
And we're back! Conversations of Change has had a lovely long nap and has woken up most refreshed and wanting to chat about Agile Change! Your co-hosts are Lena Ross and Dr Jen Frahm. We tell you what's coming up.
Stewart Bird Linkedin
Aurecon's Digital Decision's report
Aurecon Twitter
Aurecon Facebook
Aurecon Linkedin
Aurecon Instagram
Michelle Redfern contact details:
Website - Advancing Women in Business & SportÂ
Linkedin profile: Michelle RedfernÂ
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A career that soarsÂ
@celineschill on TwitterÂ
https://weneedsocial.com/
@changingview on Twitter
https://antacarafrontiers.com/
Further reading:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/learning-out-loud-up-against-my-limits-triple-threat-dr-jen-frahm/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/16/white-fragility-racism-interview-robin-diangelo
http://laylafsaad.com/meandwhitesupremacy
Full transcript to be published later on the blog!Â
Tim Rayner - @timrayner01 (twitter)Â
https://www.hacker-culture.com/
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Hayley Lewis @haypsych
https://halopsychology.com/
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Melissa Dark  @melissadark
https://commonplacecommunication.com/
https://bustingsilos.com.au/
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Liam's Linkedin ProfileÂ
We cover:
Liam's pathway in to coaching
How leaders should use coaches
How agile coaches and change management practitioners work togetherÂ
What surprises Liam about coaching after all these years
What Liam wishes leaders would know or do
Liam's take on curiosity, empathy, vulnerability, courage and self-compassionÂ
https://drjenfrahm.com/exploratory-leadership/
https://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahm
https://agilechangeinstitute.com.au/agile-change-leadership-certificate/
https://bustingsilos.com.au/
Circles of ControlÂ
http://www.talkingabout.com.au/3ControlInfluenceConcern
The Brene Brown podcast with David KesslerÂ
https://brenebrown.com/podcast/david-kessler-and-brene-on-grief-and-finding-meaning/
The 3.5% rule - social contagionÂ
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
Post traumatic growthÂ
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/post-traumatic-growth-finding-meaning-and-creativity-in-adversity/
My patreon pageÂ
https://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahm
Kubler Ross Change Curve https://www.exeter.ac.uk/media/universityofexeter/humanresources/docume
nts/learningdevelopment/the_change_curve.pdf
On why I do use the Kubler Ross Change CurveÂ
https://conversationsofchange.com.au/of-myth-busting-babies-and-bathwater/
Support the content I createÂ
https://www.patreon.com/join/drjenfrahm
The 4 Rs of future of workÂ
https://drjenfrahm.com/future-work/
The podcast where I worked out I wasn't as chilled as I thought I was :-/
https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-anxiety-calm-over-under-functioning/
9 week e-courseÂ
https://bustingsilos.com.au/
Agile Change Leadership CertificateÂ
https://agilechangeinstitute.com.au/agile-change-leadership-certificate/
Brene Brown podcast on empathy https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-comparative-suffering-the-50-50-myth-and-settling-the-ball/
Compassion v empathy
https://chopra.com/articles/whats-the-difference-between-empathy-sympathy-and-compassion
Become a patron!
https://www.patreon.com/join/4156152?
Panel discussion with Kristin Neff and Christopher Germer on the difference
http://cultureofempathy.com/Projects/Conference/Panels/026-A.htm
Introduction to validity (for the nerdy ones)
https://conjointly.com/kb/introduction-to-validity/
My Patreon accountÂ
Original story of the Burning PlatformÂ
Examples of business's / organisations 'running from pain'Â
Pure PhysioÂ
Virtual consults & home visits
Brisbane Run Squad - Free inspo programÂ
Hatch Exchange - Corona Virus Labour ExchangeÂ
Art2biz.info - Jonathan Champ's idea on connecting out of work performing artists with corporateÂ
Happiness is contagiousÂ
My talk on creating calmÂ
The patreon account I mention
https://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahm
The blog post that has struck a chord
https://drjenfrahm.com/leading-uncertain-times/
I talk to Evan Leybourn of the Business Agility Institute about business agility, leadership, governance, and the continuing evolution of the Change Manager.
What footy teaches you about change leadership.Â
Cameron Schwab creates courageous, confident and creative leaders. He’s also kind of Aussie Footy Royalty. The youngest CEO of a club in AFL history, and the continued success and failure for the next 25 years over three more clubs. He has stories to tell, and he knows his way about change and transformation.Â
We talk change leadership in this conversation of change, but perhaps not what you would expect. Rich stories of learning, resilience, performance, authenticity, vulnerability and GFS.Â
You’ll probably want more from Cam and you can find it at https://www.designceo.com.au/
Here's the link to the report we talked about - > https://www.aurecongroup.com/expertise/digital-engineering-and-advisory/digital-futures/digital-landscape
I talk with Dr Helen Bevan , Chief Transformation Officer of the NHS on movements, leading from the edge, psychological safety, new power and old power. See drjenfrahm.com for transcript
In the last episode of Part 1: Shaping up the decisions you need to make, I look at the most common models and frameworks out there for you to use.
Chapter 5 encourages you to think about the three core elements of successful change - clarity of purpose, understanding of the elements of change success, and the ability to measure them.
We're four days in to the six days in a row, Part 1 of my book. In Chapter 4 we deep dive into how to identify a good change practitioner - internal or external. This will help managers and leaders who are looking to recruit or hire specialists skillsets. If you're looking to move into change management this will also give you a sense of what you need to have by way of experience, skillset and mindset.
Chapter 3 of Part 1 of my book Conversations of Change: A guide to implementing change . Chapter 3 is all about who’s who in the zoo! Easy to understand explanations of 10 necessary roles in change. Six episodes over six days.
It's chapter 2 of 6 chapters released daily of Part 1 of my book - in this I look at the four common points of confusion about change management and organisational change.
I'm releasing the first 6 chapters of my book Conversations of Change: A guide to implementing change as a serialized podcast! This one is Chapter one - where I explain the Choose your adventure structure.
Alice Tay is a lawyer, a CATIC Trade Delegation Mission Leader and NED on several boards. We talk change and transformation in the legal profession and what the future holds.
The Australian Transformation & Turnaround Association has released a white paper on the state of affairs of CEOs, Boards and Transformation. It's a bit grim! I speak with Adam Salzer, Chair of the ATTA about it.
Leading change with Margarette Purvis - CEO of the Food Bank for NYC. We talk leading change in non-profits Kaizen, millenials, Toyota, instagram and the wisdom of grandmothers.
Donna Hardman - Non Executive Board member and governance consultant shares on the role of the board in change and transformation, and her role as a change maker in the matters of cognitive diversity and understanding China from an industry perspective.
A #changechat with Anecdote founder Shawn Callahan on the power of stories in organizational change
And we're back - after a brief hiatus, we're back. I share a slight shift in focus for the year AND a talk I provided recently on the 5 qualities of change leadership that I think make all the difference! Warning - there's a 2 second drop out at about the 21 min mark. Dang!
Dr Jen Frahm talks change management with Elise Stevens on the role of Project Managers
Part 2 of my #changechat with Change Agent Extraordinaire and French Order of Merit awardee Celine Schillinger. We talk change with communities, courage and social media.
In this change management podcast I interview Prue Gell about Deep Democracy as a tool for facilitating organizational change
Joanne and I talk Prosci research, methodologies, accreditation and the future of Change Management.
It's all happening! My book is ready to be released. I get none other than Trevor Young, PR Warrior, Reputation Revolutionist and co-founder of Zoetic Agency to interview me on it. We cover what its about, who will it appeal to, how did I write it, and where to get it!
If you want a signed copy, head to conversationsofchange.com.au/book or if that's not important you can find it on [Amazon!][2] in both kindle and paperback.
The book covers:
Structured in three easy to read parts.
Part 1: Shaping up - the decisions you need to make
• Clarity on 4 universal points of confusion in change
• Who’s who in the zoo! Easy to understand explanations of 10 necessary roles in change
• Change success – a three legged stool, pull one element away and it falls over
• 6 most commonly used change models explained
Part 2 Moving forward – the 5 pillars of change success
• 6 elements of change capable organisation
• Change readiness and how to assess if you are ready for change
• Dealing with change resistance – three key considerations
• From the trenches - 5 pitfalls of change communication to avoid
• 12 truisms of change leadership
Part 3 Check the peripherals – things that you should be aware of
• 5 Future of Work practices and how they can be used in your change efforts
• 6 myths of change management that can get in the way
• The ultimate information on how to develop your knowledge in change management – including associations, formal knowledge, communities of practice, self study with 11 change experts to follow on twitter and 17 change management blogs to bookmark
Bonus chapter! A full summary of all four adventures
[2]: https://www.amazon.com/Conversations-Change-Guide-Implementing-Workplace/dp/0648087921/ref=sr_1_1_twi_pap_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500695084&sr=8-1&keywords=jen%20frahmstrong text
I speak with change management consultant Glory Enyinnaya from Nigeria. We talk about change management in Africa, her upcoming book and the conference circuit in MENA.
I talk change management and neuroleadership and change that matters with experienced WA practitioner Sarah Glenister
A #changechat with Heather Stagl on change resistance, change readiness and her new book!
I talk with Leisha Boyle of Sticky Stories about the use of visual storytelling in the form of animated clips. We talk about how this fits into leadership messaging and change communication.
Leisha is an experienced change practitioner and the founder of Sticky Stories, a start up producing a library of workplace stories.
Contact Leisha at Sticky Stories for more or see some of the clips at the LinkedIn page
Related: Content Curation for Change
I talk with Chief People Officer of global engineering company Aurecon about his experiences with leading change and working with Change Managers
I have a change chat with renowned change management expert Daryl Conner. We talk character and purpose, raising your game, and change that matters
What is a dialogue experiment?
Good change was noted for good conversations. How do you make good conversations happen? Was the origin of it. Started bringing groups together to discuss a topic and then analyse the conversation itself – what did we learn about conversation through this conversation.
Hallmarks of a good conversation
Energy – when something new is emerging out of it.
When we are thrown together with different people and we get insights we can’t get alone
Where do you see the role of conversations in change (informal v formal)
We see repetition in the questions that keep coming up when we do things like roadshows. We need to look at the intention within the conversation.
What is the mix of instrumental and constructive intent in conversations
Conversations feel flat and hollow when they think they know the outcome of the conversation. When you see the spark in people’s eyes and we are off balance – there’s been an genuine unanswerable question, and this is what generates change.
How do you keep conversations open and flowing?
Dialogue events are usually strategic events with leadership teams, being offsite and in the wilderness. If the events are too cerebral it can go very flat. Use structures that mix it up and invite activity (like walks in pair to reflect on the themes).
How do we deal with silence in conversations?
Silence can be unnerving – but when we use silence in the walks it’s not seen as silence, it’s a pilgrimage. Things happen in the action of reflection (eg doodling, walking). Incorporate the silence in the conversation. People need silence to reflect and absorb in change – we need to incorporate space in the change programs for people to absorb the change.
Introverts and extroverts in dialogue experiments – any differences
Yes, the groups that are very introverted need a lot of time prior to the experiments to think about the topic. Even on the day, we need to put air into the program so they can
What makes somebody a good conversationalist?
That was the first hypothesis in our experiment – you need a good listener, challenger, provocateru, or the specialist who can get to the questions - people who are really curious and meaning makers. But after looking at those profiles, we’ve moved away to universal skills.
The qualities of a conversationalist
- Listening
- Being a good talker
- Challenger – shakes up a conversation in a good way
- Investigating and being curious
- Empathy and understand other people
- Making meaning
- Giving visibility to the harvesting of ideas
Stimulating Conversations – What’s the scoop?
A book that is being designed to create a space for conversation, instil more desire for intent of conversations, identify good questions for conversation, invitations for conversation, how you stay open to conversation.
A lot of online tools for design – eg divergent and convergent conversations, the GROW models, the Six Sigma processes.
Jeffer London website
Jeffer London Linkedin
Jeffer London twitter #stimulatingconversations
Stimulating Conversations
Jeffers TEDx talk Better conversations for a better world
A 20 minute #changechat with Lena Ross on the topic of neuroscience and organisational change
I speak with Alan Herrity about the trends in the recruiting field with regards to change management.
I talk with Simon Terry of the Change Agents World Wide group on the first day of International #Wolweek
What is systems dynamics?
A way of understanding the complex behaviour of complex systems - it's the dynamics of complex systems (social systems).
How to make the abstract element of systems dynamics concrete?
Practical applications of systems dynamics include: flows - changes in people, information and materials eg the number of dollars that came in this month, the number of widgets in transit, the information that is coming in, how fast it arrives etc
Also interested in accumulation - difference between incoming flows and outgoing flows. Delays in systems are also of interest to us (examples provided in the financial departments provided on the frustration of non-real time reporting)
Feedback - one part of the system may produce some information that when another part of the system receives it they are compelled to respond
An example in practice in healthcare.
The typical flow is a patient arrives, nursing unit, to pre-op, into operating room, post op, then back to nursing unit.
The change challenge was to look at the throughput of the patient process to ensure beds could be available
Nexus of systems dynamics and organisational change?
When people say they have a problem, systems dynamics can help in establishing the problem. Equally - very successful businesses or departments within businesses don't often understand why they are successful. Systems dynamics helps with understanding why it is so.
How does System Dynamics deal with human behaviour
The ability to examine human behaviour - what's going on now, how would rate people's familiarity and acceptance and execution of a certain process. In SD we normalize the response - the present behaviour is 1.0 (example). A collapse of the system is 0 and improvement is more than 1. It's relatively easy to deal with soft human behaviour as you can then look at probability.
How did Bill get into this field
Teaching at Baltimore University - subscribed to the Systems Thinker and the articles intrigued Bill. Bought the software on a whim and to play with it. The pathway now is via computing courses, quantitative computer modelling.
Professor Jay Forrester - founder of the field, would say this is the only way.
BUT you get value in doing a causal loop diagram and qualitative inquiry.
Resources?
Business Dynamics, Prof John Sterman
Social anthropology defined – study of how people make meaning / attribute meaning to their environment.
What does a social anthropologist lens bring to organisational change work?
- Working with symbols
- People who are impacted by the change are best placed to design and implement the change
- Change should be iterative and collaborative
Example of how symbols are important
In the UN – how much carpet you had in your office denoted hierarchy. If you had a square of carpet it denoted you were very important and you would be listened to.
So to use in change – symbolism of senior leaders seen to be leading change and committed to the change has much greater impact than communicating the change.
Examples of people impacted by the change best to manage it?
Only people who are part of the culture can change it – external vendors cannot achieve this
There needs to be a partnership – organisations need to bring in change expertise, but they need to work with people in the organisation to make it work.
Social anthropologists believe that you cannot have the answer until we share information, design and plan together.
Examples of iterative
Organisations are never really standing still. What we do is plan based on what we know now, we implement and we see how the organisation reacts. There is not a focus on right or wrong, simply what is working and what needs to progress.
Trust is undermined by a focus on right or wrong.
How does a social anthropologist make sense of the change management profession?
I don’t use the language or term of change management.
Favourite question: Can you tell me what this change is about without using the words transformation, system or even the software? If we are talking about these we are talking about the solution, the new world, not the transition.
We can get lost in the jargon of change management
Tension between change management and organisational development?
It’s a divide between between people who see change management as people based v process based. To me it doesn’t make any sense to differentiate between them – if there’s a change, there’s a change. They still need support – whatever gets you through that is what is managing the change. Both perspectives provide value – traditionally OD people have not focused enough on the reality of business acumen. But change managers need to work deep in the business to make it stick and understand the time that it takes for change to actually occur.
The latest is #ChangeChat is with Rita Meyerson. We talk doctoral studies and change leadership.
How did Rita get into change work?
A lot of study!
Started with Andersen Consulting (Now Accenture)
What does a typical day look like?
No typical routine, large tolerance for change and ambiguity.
Client work, mid-career doctoral candidate – ABD (All But Dissertation), mother to 11 year old boy, yogi.
Motivation for the doctoral studies?
A client engagement (and their leaders) prompted Rita to complete the studies as a doctoral program. George Washington University provided a program that was flexible with family obligations and also the topic of culture and leadership in change. Rita’s dissertation focuses on organisational identity during M&As – how does the new culture emerges.
How does Rita manage the tension of academic v practitioner as a “pracademic”?
George Washington program is a scholar practitioner program.
The empirical research helps Rita lead with the practitioner focus and the work with clients. It provides rigour and confidence to customisation with clients.
It’s an art and a science – in order to be effective, you need to understand the human components. I wouldn’t be able to understand the nuances without the doctoral work.
Advice to those who want to do a doctoral degree?
You need to look at where you are in life, what purpose would it do for you?
Practical experience is necessary – you need to have been in the trenches, you can’t do it well straight out of undergrad.
It is a huge time commitment – it is a full time job, on top of the regular job to pay the bills, and you need to juggle with family and personal life.
You need to be maniacal with your time – in how it all fits in.
Supportive professors help too!
For the leaders of change – what’s the highlight of what they need to be thinking of?
If you are responsible for leading change you really need to understand stakeholder management. You need to have the right people on your team. Remove people who are not on the change mission with you.
Larger companies who have leadership programs that work on themselves (eg EQ) they are more adept at change leadership.
Context of the organisation, maturity of the business cycle and succession planning tend to have better leaders at managing change.
Future of Rita Meyerson post EdD
Be an adjunct business professor – influence the change curriculum
Policy change – family friendly work policies at government and industry level
Continue the conversation:
Rita@RitaMeyerson.com
After the super #ChangeChat with Luc Galoppin on Social Architecture (and chocolate) we had a quick Sharp Hit of Change (SHOC). Here it is!
How did Luc get into change work?
What is Luc working on now?
Luc tells us about a change he is proud of
Luc shares of a change that didn't go so well
What are the most important things to heed about workplace change
- You are not working on an island
- We should be aware of the non formal structures in the community - tribal dynamics of change
Advice to those who are new in the industry - early career change managers
- You need to master the basics first
- Earn your entry ticket and then
you build on that 3. Baby steps
What is Luc's favourite resources for learning more about change
Poetry!
Letters to a young poet by Rainer Maria Rilke
You can find Paul Thoresen on Linkedin or Twitter as @surveyguy2
Industrial / Organisational Psychology is the same name as workplace psychology / organisational psychology
siopchat on twitter is the chat referred to!
Where does big data sit in IO Psych and Org Change
Lot of talk about it, we need to get in front of it, potential for machine learning, and artificial intelligence in use in employee engagement.
Big debates in the space
• Annual performance reviews – continuous or once a year.
• IQ / EQ and personality types – how important are they?
• What’s the right combination of top down / bottom up engagement.
Latest issues in the space:
• Organisations need to bring in change managers early in the design, not after decisions are made
• Even if decisions are made, there are still opportunities to provide employees’s ownership so change is done with them, not to them.
• Are we trying to change the hearts and minds or just change behaviour.
Latest on the scene is behavioural economic and nudges, see “Nudge” by Thaler and Sunstein and “Thinking, fast and slow” by Kahneman
Pathway into I/O Psych – masters or PhD. PhDs are not necessarily academic.
Paul got into the field from counselling – still using psychology, but in a different way
Paul’s view on social media – ten years I didn’t have a social media presence, but volunteer roles in local OD group meant he had to get immersed in. He’s sees benefit with the curation of content and continue professional development.
Paul is speaking later on leveraging social media for learning at ATD-GTC
Further development?
Society for Industrial Organizational Psychology
SIOP.org
Social media – contact Paul on twitter.
Bill Braun and I met when co-managers of the Organisational Change Practitioners group on Linkedin.
The No-One Dies Alone program Bill volunteers with.
Skills that are transferrable post organisational change:
Deep listening
Good questions
Peter Block's attributes of powerful questions
- Personal
- Vague
- Anxiety provoking
In retrospect ...
My effectiveness would have been better as a change practitioner for deep listening and asking powerful questions.
The learning continues!
The disclaimer - Australian's are terrible with shortening people's names without asking, very lazy elocution. Theresa very gracefully coped with me shortening her name to Therese through out... She's a good woman!
Theresa's Linkedin Profile
The Change Management Review
6.40 Judge and jury of the Change Management profession or facilitator of knowledge?
8.50 What does the background of change management consultant bring to entrepreneurial start ups?
11.45 Theresa's experience with ACMP
16.25 Advice to those starting out?
- Do some soul searching on what kind of impact do you want to have it in the world
- If it's change management, pay attention to soft skills that you need to do it well, and the tools and applications that you learn as you go along. You won't have impact if you don't have the soft skills.
Bronte's Linkedin Profile
MetaPM's website
Bronte's blog on life in Italy - she's a published author!
Advice to those wanting to get into change
Think about the reason why - if there is no emotional connection to people, don't bother
Bronte's top 3 tips on workplace change
- t's not a silver bullet - never going to be quick and easy
- Important to have a structured approach to change
- Need to have resources for change - it's an investment, not a cost
Where does Bronte go to top up her knowledge on change?
Harvard Business Review
Linkedin for articles
What you need and want to know:
10:17 Listen to Luc's challenge on the WIIFM of change
16:30 Listen to Luc make the connection between change management and chocolate making!
Luc's most recent post on Social Architecture
Luc's earlier Social Architecture Manifesto
Luc's website Reply MC
Luc's LinkedIn profile
Luc on twitter @lucgaloppin
Luc's book with Daryl Conner - Building commitment during an ERP roll out
Luc and Reen's Chocolate shop! Reen's Sweets and Treats
Luc's recommended reading:
Peter Block (2009) Community and the Structure of Belonging
The Abundant Community
