We've known each other for years. We live 18 miles apart. And we never see each other. Life gets in the way when you grow up. It gets harder and harder to hold onto those close relationships that you really value. We decided to start this podcast for us. We wanted to have something that both records our insane relationship and serves as a marker to make sure we continue to value it.
Covid has gotten even closer to home recently.
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We're back (again)! The gap in our episodes, dear listeners, is explainable due to insanity of life. Listen on to hear why!
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For the first time in over a year, we finally were able to get together to do a podcast TOGETHER!
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Sarah reflected on her experience living through the Charlottesville riot in August 2017. (Throwback episode)
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We got together at the end of 2020 to reflect on the year and see what we learned and what we hope to leave behind.
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In the midst of Covid craziness, Sarah did a thing.
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Unemployment is a rough experience no matter what your situation. Chris went through it recently, and we discussed the broader implications. (REPOSTED)
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Sarah is considering running for office one day. (REPOSTED)
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Chris recounts the incredible surprise of how Jerry proposed to him in the middle of the 2017 Capital Pride parade. (Reposted)
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We're reposting some of our old episodes to re-share our favorites. New episodes every other Wednesday, throwback episodes in between!
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It's Pride Month, and this year, with all the ups and downs 2020 has brought, continued the roller coaster this time. The Supreme Court finally ruled that LGBTQ+ people shouldn't be able to be fired for being who they are, just in time to celebrate Pride in the nation's capital. We talked about all this, and all that still needs to be done.
If you're interested in helping, consider donating to some of these charities:
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It's been a big few weeks. The death of George Floyd in Minneapolis has led a major reckoning around the work regarding the role of black people in modern society and the massive structural racist inequalities that are baked into our civilization. We talked about what's been happening and how our perspective and our understanding of our own obligations as privileged white people are to participate and support the coming reckoning on race in this country.
Links on things mentioned in the episode:
There are a multitude of brilliant black authors, thinkers, poets, activists, politicians, and more. We strongly urge you to listen to them, learn from them, and amplify their work.
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We're reposting some of our old episodes to re-share our favorites. New episodes every other Wednesday, throwback episodes in between!
We've been friends for nearly 20 years and never see each other. We talk about why we decided to start a podcast, what we want to get out of it, and how Sarah tried to kill Chris with soy sauce.
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Our original Wino Justin Shorb joins us for a conversation about collegiate education in the time of coronavirus.
If you're interested in connect with Justin, he can be reached on Twitter at @shorbism.
Connect with us @winefriendspod or Wine with Friends on Facebook! Interested in joining us for an episode? Email us at winefriendspod@gmail.com or you know, just text us.
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So, credit where credit is due: Chris' fiance pulled off a GREAT proposal surprise! In this episode, Chris walks Sarah through the whole experience, because she rudely decided to take a vacation that weekend instead of being present for the proposal.
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Sarah FINALLY got around to watching the most amazing TV show ever created: Schitt's Creek! We talk about what made it such a special experience to see, and how it impacted the world. If you haven't seen it, go watch it first! Spoilers!
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We lost a giant recently. Tony Noce, longtime listener of the pod and a close friend and mentor of Chris, died on April 21, 2020. He succumbed to a long battle with stage 4 glioblastoma. We talked through our feelings about this loss and realized one more lesson that our good friend left for us, even in the end.
For those of you interested, Tony's friend request that in lieu of flowers, donations can be made to The Frank S. Noce and Anthony M. Noce ’83 Endowed Scholarship Fund at McQuaid Jesuit High School in Rochester, NY. Details on a memorial service will be relayed at a later date.
Tony's obituary: https://www.cunninghamfuneralhome.net/obituary/anthony-m-tony-noce/
Farewell Tony. You will be missed.
Coronavirus has been a big challenge for us all, and we finally managed to get together to talk about it.
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Sarah is a big fan of the idea of ranked choice voting. We talked through it all and thought about what kind of a problem this could actually solve and what it could mean for today's political system.
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Sarah's horse rode home last week: Senator Elizabeth Warren ended her presidential campaign. We had a little therapy session to discuss how Sarah is taking the loss, and where we go from here at this stage of this decade-long election cycle.
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We are back from our long sabbatical and ready to talk about some more substantive things. Let's dive in!
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We reflect on our relationships and how they have changed us over time. Did we change because of our relationships or because we just got older and (hopefully) wiser? We reflect on this and go on many more tangents throughout our conversation.
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We had a long conversation about the role of science and religion in the world. We have very different perspectives here, and it was nice to talk through it a bit. Another fun one!
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There's a new policy topic that's gotten play in the Democratic presidential primary recently that caught Sarah's eye: Universal Basic Income. We sat down to discuss our reactions to it, and some of the questions we still have about it.
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This one is exactly what it sounds like. The death penalty is a part of the American justice system. We talked about it, wrestled with it, and thought about what we think about it, some of us for the first time.
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Fascinating statistic: our online data today is worth more as an industry than the oil industry. What does that mean for us as a society and how we view digital selves?
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Sarah has been gone to Ireland for a vacation! We caught up on how the trip went, a few highlights, and thoughts for the future.
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Getting older means getting healthier is getting harder.
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It's a catch up episode! Sarah's birthday was the same day as Capital Pride, which Chris volunteers at every year. We catch each other up on our big days and talk about things related to it all.
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It's another conversation about politics! Sarah's all in for Warren, Chris is still ambivalent, and we'd both vote for fauna.
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Now that we've had some time to digest, we got together to discuss the ending of Game of Thrones. It was a cultural moment, and the reaction to it sparked some interesting questions about whether TV is an art form, and when you make art for an audience, what ownership does that audience have? When a community arises from that art, does the ownership shift? And ultimately, how entertainment as a business also needs happy customers.
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*SPOILER WARNING*
We decided to catch each other up on our entertainment musings! Lots of discussion around Avenger: Endgame, Game of Thrones, and other shows we've been watching and loving! Spoilers here, you've been warned!
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Chris had a birthday recently, and it got us thinking about the challenges of getting older and how our perspectives have changed over time.
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When you think about government, what do you picture? What words do you associate with "government?" The answers to those questions may tell us something more profound about how we see the world, the people we choose to lead us, and how we fit into the picture.
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SPOILER ALERT! We are nerds, and this is a nerdy episode. If you're not into the Marvel universe or haven't seen Captain Marvel yet, DON'T LISTEN TO THIS UNTIL YOU DO!
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We had a very lighthearted conversation about a super lighthearted topic: policing. This one's a long one, buckle up!
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Chris' latest political obsession: Brexit. So much to learn, and so many bad, bad choices. Also, how Parliament teaches us that Congress would be way more fun with an open bar.
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It's Decision 2020 time! Sarah and Chris both care a lot about politics (shock, we know). We're going to start periodically checking in on our thoughts and feelings about things between now and the next major election. We'll come up with some catchy music at some point.
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Sarah's state is in political meltdown and it's confusing and generally very upsetting. We discuss the the rollercoaster of a few weeks that have been happening in VA and see if we can pick some worthwhile lessons out of the dumpster fire.
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Chris just had a great weekend in Atlanta doing professional development activities. Yes, we are nerds and this qualifies as a hootinany for us. Join us!
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We're back! Wait until you hear why we were gone! Sarah is a new aunt, and Chris is a married man! Come here how it all went down this week!
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You have heard from many of Chris's science friends and now it's Sarah's turn. Sarah's friend Alisha joins the podcast to share a little bit about her sometimes silly, but always brave (and a little crazy) journey through science. We are proud to call Alisha an official Wino (even if she is only drinking sparkling water right now). We can't wait to have you on that Wine with Friends on the Bay episode, future Dr. Sutton!
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Have you ever wanted to start your own business? Be your own boss? Well, wino Amy Avery did it. You may remember Amy from previous Wine with Friends episodes (see IronAmy parts 1 and 2). She has started her own businesses, become CEO of her own life. Chris and Amy sat down over the holiday break to talk about how it is going, and to understand a bit why she decided to make sure a radical life change.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
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Sarah has a degree in leadership, and Chris has opinions. We talked about what the difference between leadership and mentorship are, and the lessons we've taken away from our good and bad bosses along the way.
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I (Chris) have been reading a lot about social media. Both how it's being used for good (and evil), and what choices we made along the way to get here. I filled Sarah in on a lot of what I've learned, and we had a long conversation about whether social media is broken, or whether we are.
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Happy Thanksigiving everyone! May your holiday be filled with delicious food and all the wine! Special guest @radiohouston joined us to catch up on what we'll be doing this holiday weekend!
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We finally had the time to get together for a quick rundown of Election Night in America and all that ensued. Basically, we won things. Us, personally. Or at least, that's what we tell ourselves...
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Halloween? Ugh. Apple cider? Yes. Donuts? Get out of our way.
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Sometimes, scientific research has no roadmap. Sometimes it looks ridiculous to the outside viewer. This time around, the Nobel Prizes honored some incredible women scientists who very much deserved the honor. The Ig Nobels brought attention to some crazy research. Both are worthy of our admiration, and Chris got Sarah interested in why.
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We both had quite the adventurous weekends not so long ago. They involved fire trucks, ambulances, a hospital visit, and even a dash of climate change.
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We're back! Apologies to everyone who missed us last week, but we swear we had a good reason! Take a listen, and hear the good news!
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Chris caught up with Elise Fox, candidate for the South Carolina State House of Representatives in District 81 to get a sense of how the world of elections is going heading into to November, and what lessons she's learned by running. Don't forget to vote this November 6th!
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New guest! Our friend and wino Aaron joined us for a conversation about how we're all getting old and technology is crazy. At least we'll always be more tech-savvy than our parents. Except for Sarah.
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Many of you may remember the controversial boycott of the restaurant chain Chik Fil A over their support for anti-LGBTQ organizations. A recent podcast episode of Majority 54 focused on a discussion between host Jason Kander and LGBTQ advocate Shane Windemeyer. Shane ended up developing a relationship with the owner of Chik Fil A after the boycott happened, and through that relationship, changed his mind.
We're all for engagement and support (and we LOVE the Crooked Podcasts), but this conversation was a little problematic. We break it down, reveal our own ignorance on some stuff, and think about the complicated nature of reconciliation and forgiveness.
Majority 54 podcast: https://crooked.com/podcast/engaging-the-other-side-on-lgbtq-rights/
HuffPost article (Dan and Me: My Coming Out as a Friend of Dan Cathy and Chick-fil-A - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-l-windmeyer/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a_b_2564379.html)
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It has been nearly a year since the events in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 11 and 12, 2017. In the second of our two-part podcast Sarah sits down with Haley, Karen, Michael, and D to discuss their experiences in Charlottesville last year and how they have affected us, as well as the country as a whole. We also take a look at what this anniversary means and our hopes for what it will do. We hope that these episodes gives you hope, but also call you to action in the struggle for justice for all people. Please check out these resources for more information about the organizations that we talk about in these two episodes:
Charlottesville Community Resiliance Fund: https://www.facebook.com/cvillefund/
Congregate C’Ville: https://www.facebook.com/congregatecville/
Showing Up for Racial Justice Northern Virginia: https://www.surjnova.org/
Hope United Church of Christ www.hopeucc.org
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It has been nearly a year since the events in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 11 and 12, 2017. In this two-part episode Sarah sits down with Haley, Karen, Michael, and D to discuss their experiences in Charlottesville last year and how they have affected us as well as the country as a whole. We also take a look at what this anniversary means and our hopes for what it will do. We hope that these episodes gives you hope, but also calls you to action in the struggle for justice for all people. Please check out these resources for more information about the organizations that we talk about in these two episodes:
Charlottesville Community Resiliance Fund: https://www.facebook.com/cvillefund/
Congregate C’Ville: https://www.facebook.com/congregatecville/
Showing Up for Racial Justice Northern Virginia: https://www.surjnova.org/
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So, real talk: Chris is exhausted with politics. Living in DC isn't helping. We talked through dealing with living in some trying political times and strategies for taking the mental health breaks we all need from time to time.
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If you listen to us, you probably like listening to podcasts in general. This week, we break down some of the pods that we're both listening to at the moment, and give each other (and you!) recommendations for some other ones to consider tuning in for!
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Sarah's birthday always falls the same weekend as Capital Pride, and this year, she skipped out on the party we threw for her. Chris catches her up on the festivities and all the fun she missed out on! Happy Pride to all!!!
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It's a banner day here at Wine with Friends! We are joined today by the Original Wino herself, Naomi Bertram! Naomi was Sarah's roommate and childhood friend for many, many years, and has known Chris since he first met her the first week of college. We've all been friends for longer than anyone can really remember, and we decided to reminisce about ridiculous stories of our past. Buckle up, it's a crazy ride full of killer squirrels, neon green cake, and some of the worst apartments you can imagine.
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We sat down this week with friend and official wineo Amy Porter. Amy is a scientist, and Chris' grad school roommate. We discussed how their careers have taken them in polar opposite directions, but how, against all odds, they've ended up obsessing about similar things in the scientific enterprise. We talked all the aspects of it we like and what we think needs to seriously consider changing if we are ever going to adjust to the new scientific world.
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Sarah sits down with Michael Douglas for the third in their series of conversations. This time they talk about one of their favorite topics, politics. They think through what gets them to the polls and what issues are nonnegotiable in a candidate and a party. Somewhere along the way they come to the conclusion that a two party system might just be the best thing, whether we like it or not.
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Chris went to a taping of a game show! It was ridiculous and fun, and we of course had to fill Sarah in on all the fun. We're both gonna go next time!
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Have you ever heard of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact? Neither had Sarah, but this is right up Chris' geeky alley. Chris brings Sarah up to speed on what the NPVIC is, which state just joined, and how it could change electoral politics in the U.S.
Interested in learning more about the NPVIC? Check out their wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact), which actually does a pretty good job laying out the idea and the objections to it.
Or check out their website at www.nationalpopularvote.com, which has a lot of information about what the Compact is and isn't.
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The March For Our Lives was a watershed moment for our country and culture. We don't know where this is going to go, but we hope that this will be the thing that pushes gun control forward. Sarah sat with her friend (and official Wine-o!) Michael Douglass to talk about their prep for the March and some of their not totally formed ideas on how to address gun control in this country.
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In our second Coffee with Friends episode, we sit down again with our friend Elise Fox! If you haven't listened to our previous interview with Elise, go check it out (Episode 11). Elise sat down with me (Chris) to catch me up on her campaign and what she's learned about herself and her community so far.
You can connect with Elise on Twitter at @EliseFoxforSC, or on her website, elisefox.net.
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We’re joined this week once again by Mike Cruse of Papa Does Preach to talk about a topic that’s (rightfully) been in the news a lot lately: guns. This was a hard episode to talk through, and we probably didn’t solve anything by the end of it. But it helped a lot to talk about it all.
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It's #Oscars season, and they're coming up this Sunday! Chris is a big movie buff, so we watched (some) of the nominated movies and talked about what we liked, what we hated, and what we didn't care enough to see.
Movies discussed included:
Call Me By Your Name
Darkest Hour
Dunkirk
Get Out
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
The Post
The Shape of Water
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
I, Tonya
The Last Jedi
Baby Driver
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Jury duty is one of the most common ways people interact with our legal system, and for all that, it's not well understood. Sarah was recently called for jury duty, and we broke down the experience.
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We got together to talk about the Golden Globes and the apparently difficult concept of keeping your pants on at work. Sarah also gives Chris some good tips on managing a majority female staff and we remind everyone that Sarah can't remember out Twitter handle (it's @winefriendpod).
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Another episode of our interviews with interesting people! Today, we talk with Agatha Wein. Agatha is geophysicist with a sharp wit and a great tongue for beer. She’s a former work colleague of Chris’ and to this day, one of the most memorable people we’ve ever met. Chris sat with Agatha before she moved away from DC to her home in Los Angeles to talk about her career and all the amazing things that make her fascinating. One of the best episodes we’ve done to date! Enjoy!
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It’s the most wonderful time of the year! We sit and actually drink wine (sirens), tell you about it (more sirens), and break down down of the things we’re most excited about for this year. Chico meows a lot, and we remind ourselves why day drinking is harder now that we’re getting older.
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One of the things we have a shared love of is musicals. We LOVE musicals. Perhaps a bit unhealthily. Chris FINALLY watched the stage production of Newsies on Netflix, and (unsurprisingly) has some opinions. We break it down, and dive into some other fun musicals, including Dear Evan Hansen, Mean Girls, Hamilton, Legally Blonde the Musical, and more.
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We love autumn, but man do we hate Halloween. However, Jerry loves Halloween, so Chris is annually subjected to all the horror things every October. Chris tells Sarah about his recent trip to Philadelphia for some haunted houses, and laments about how he is becoming inured to haunted things.
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Sarah’s Cubs are in the hunt for the World Series, but Chris’ Tigers were out a while ago. We chat about why we both love the Cubs (very different reasons) and how we envision professional sports being force for good in this country.
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OMG!!! The best show ever has returned and Sarah & Chris are here for it. We chat about our reactions to the pilot episode (limiting it there so no spoilers!) and why we both love the show so much. We get into details of what the show meant to the broader culture and how all of our LGBTQA friends have seen some of themselves in this show. So exciting!!!
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Laura Pence is one of the most brilliant people I know. She’s one of my (Chris) favorite colleagues, a mentor whose advice and insight I treasure, and most importantly, a friend. Laura has achieved what many scientists seek to do but fewer and fewer succeed at: she became a Full Professor. But what she found when she got there wasn’t all that different from what the rest of us who haven’t achieved those career heights are also finding: achievement doesn’t change us so fundamentally to erase our complexity. We especially spent time talking about mentorship and how that shapes us as scientific professionals. All of this comes together into the three major life lessons that she wanted to impart. This was one of the most interesting conversations I’ve had yet on this podcast project, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
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In this episode, Sarah and Chris got into a deeper conversation about Christianity and faith. Sarah’s faith is a key part of who she is, and she wanted to discuss how that faith and the mandates that come with are at odds with the actions of people she sees. Chris’ fiance Jerry joined us partway through (he didn’t realize we were recording!) and had some great thoughts on this, having grown up in the Catholic church. Also, when Sarah and Jerry get together, it's a fun level of chaos!
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One of the issues within Chris' profession that he's particularly passionate about is the changing nature of the scientific enterprise. Chris is a scientist, but the nature of the work of scientists is changing as society is changing. The problem is that the scientific enterprise is not changing with it, at least not at a fast enough pace. Chris talks about it in this episode about why this is a passion project for him and provides some insights into why this change is happening.
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