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Can house churchers be in two places? Lately, I have been considering the relationship between the house churches and more traditional, legacy churches. We have lost families (they left us for another fellowship) because they were looking for something with a structure for their children. It could also be that they were looking for a … Continue reading Church Hybrid? →
An Appeal for Small Group Churches to Network OnlineIf you have known me for very long you’ve heard my lament over the need for effective communication if we’re going to network together in our Kingdom work. Yes, I know. Your fellowship is communicating. Maybe it does group texts or has an email list, Or you have a Facebook group. Perhaps, you use Slack, Discord, GroupMe, Mattermost–the list is endless. But you are communicating within your group. That’s a good thing.
On the flip side, we are scattered all over the internet and often “caught up in traffic.”
Let me tell you a story of a text.
A Texting TaleOmigosh! I have to push our meeting to a later time. I can’t count on an email in this case so I’ll shoot you a text.
You’re driving when you hear the notification. No problem you’ll check it when you get to the office. Few minutes later you hear another ping–another text. Just as you’re getting into the parking lot you hear three more notifications. It’s a group text coming through. You go into the office check on a few things and head down to your workspace. Meanwhile two more texts have come in.
Guess where my text about the time change is? It’s about the 12th one down in your feed just waiting to be accidentally skipped over as you deal with some of the other ones. As a result you arrive at our meeting about an hour early.
I know. I should have left a voicemail. Bummer!
Then there are email lists… I will forever remember poor Diego. We created an email list for our fellowship in which one of the addresses had one wrong character in it. That erroneous email address belonged to somebody named Diego. He emailed us and kindly asked us to take his name off our list, which we did by correcting the error. But not before that list had gone out to the group several times. You can guess what happened. Everyone kept answering those previous emails with “Reply all” essentially preserving the inaccurate list for eternity. Amazingly, the person whose address was incorrect got added while the erroneous one was never removed.
Poor Diego. After awhile his request to remove him from the list sounded more like a desperate plea. He even got kind of hostile.
And how about this one? You remember that you have an appointment but can’t remember where it is, so you go looking for it in your smartphone or on your computer. How many days ago was it? What was the first line? You can’t find that silly text. Several minutes of frustration later you remember it wasn’t a text at all it was an email… Or maybe it was a Facebook message. RATS!
The sad thing is that these messages were priority, that is they were from your church; your Kingdom community.
For us here in the Northwest, the the solution to the email debacle, and many of the other problems I described, was to shift over to a single platform. Moreover, that allowed multiple groups to have a central point of connection, which is not possible if individual fellowships are splattered all over the communication landscape on the internet. The group who communicates with their text list has no idea what’s going on with the a group that uses Slack. The fellowship that does their internal communication by email has no connection with the one that uses Discord or GroupMe. They are islands.
To be honest, some groups see no reason to interact with other groups of a similar kind. They don’t care. They’re simply self-contained. They’re doing fine, thank you very much. I think that’s short-sighted and breeds independence, but there’s not much I can do about a state of mind. On the other hand, there are some groups that would welcome the opportunity to share ideas and resources with other small groups. That’s where a single platform is essential.
Enter ZulipI recommend a platform called Zulip. It behaves similarly to other platforms in common use (Slack, Discord, etc.) But with some important advantages.
One, is that it is open-source and not as widely used as some of the others. The advantage here is that, since Zulip is not trying to monetize their platform, they’re not always trying to sell you upgrades. Furthermore, you don’t get the feeling, as you do with platforms like Facebook, that you’re being swept along the informational superhighway with advertisements and random posts in a never-ending, constantly changing stream.
Secondly Zulip (specifically summit.zulipchat.com) is just for small-group Kingdom communities (house churches, if you will).
With Zulip, a fellowship has its own channel, called a stream, that is not shared with anyone else. Nobody but the group sees it. It’s locked and private–just your group.
Perhaps most importantly, when you post your thoughts and ideas using Zulip, you can attach a topic to them. This is most helpful in your group’s private stream. Here’s why.
On other platforms the posts are all organized in chronological order. Let’s say somebody posts prayer request. It’s read by the members of the group, some of whom request updates. Then, somebody posts about the upcoming gathering and its food prep. Several chime in. Then someone posts about an activity for the children. Then someone else posts about…
A few of days pass and, remember that prayer request? The one who posted it brings an update. A group member who may have missed the initial post has to wonder what that’s all about. Where is the original request? It’s there, but to get to it you have to sort through all of those posts about other stuff that came after the original request.
Wouldn’t it be nice if you could sort all of those posts according to their topic, similar to a subject line on an email? You could just click on “Prayer Request,” or any other specific topic, and all of those posts would appear together. Rather than having to scroll through day after previous day to find all of the posts about a particular subject, you can read them from the first to the last without any other posts in between.
Zulip does that and I haven’t found anything else that does.
Finally, you can find and collaborate with other simple fellowships. That’s not possible if they’re all hidden away in various data streams on other platforms. Are you searching for other groups that might have ideas and resources that would be helpful to yours? Not easy if they are online in multiple different locations. You probably won’t even know they are there.
On a delegated platform there can be other streams, including one that includes all groups – -a “global” network–and streams that are reserved for local or regional clusters of fellowships. Those more inclusive streams are good for collaboration. Groups can request help, share ideas, even arrange face-to-face meet-ups. In other words, encourage one another on the Kingdom journey.
Objection!This is where I hear, “Our group will never go for that. They say they have too much clutter in their in-boxes already.”
Seriously? That’s what the communication from your brothers and sisters in Christ is to you? Clutter? Might I suggest that Kingdom work is high priority traffic. If clutter is the issue, declutter something else. I offer an observation from Jim Wallis about the priority of the church—click here.
What that response tells me is that church, for some folks, is just another activity on an already crowded calendar. For them it is not a priority. As I said earlier, I cannot change a state of mind. What I can do, though, is appeal to people who do small group fellowships to prioritize these relational connections. Invite (even coerce) your fellowship to put all of their communication on a unique, delegated platform. Give it a unique notification sound and realize that all communication that comes over Zulip is “priority traffic.” Anything that comes from there is “Kingdom.” Moreover, if they want to know what’s going on, that’s where they’ll hear it.
Sadly, there are some small-group churches that really don’t care if there are others out there doing what they are doing. As I mentioned earlier, they are islands and happily so. I wish I could argue for the importance of being connected relationally to other fellowships, but for a few, maybe more than a few, networking just doesn’t matter. I wish that weren’t so. We could accomplish more, I think, if we were available to encourage one another.
What I can do is make a case for a shared communication portal for small group churches. Not an organization with bylaws and a statement of faith, but a hub for sharing and communicating within and among functionally autonomous churches who are voluntarily interdependent.
It’s not complicated. If you’re familiar with Slack, Discord, or even Facebook you’ll find much that is familiar. But, it is new. If you want more information on how we use this platform, get in touch. We’ll do a Zoom call and a screen-share and I’ll show you why I am so enthusiastic (even relentless) about getting simple churches on the same page.
For the redeemed, and for the King!
As I consider the communities that make up the Summit Fellowships, I realize that many of the people are what might best be called “nesters.” They naturally gravitate towards a community and, sometimes a leader. They are the comfortable “center” of the community. Frankly, they just don’t think in terms of being outward bound.
This is good. A community must have a center, a soft place for people to land, grow and be nurtured; a place for love to be.
Nevertheless, for groups of people to advance the kingdom, there have to be outward bound people among them, what Vernard Eller calls, expediti. Moreover the group has to recognize that various gifting are necessary for the expansion of the church.
Kinds of GroupsThere is a progression that small groups will probably go through.
It seems to me that the first step in a growth pattern is fellowship, that is Koinonia. It is been said that Christian Life moves from relationship, through relationship, and to relationship. A first step of developing relationship, and by that we mean friendship, is to have a group give themselves permission to become friends. That, of course, isn’t enough. Tarrying too long as a fellowship group results in the group becoming a club. Kingdom communities ought not be clubs, they ought to be purposeful and useful.
That brings a group to a second step. Often that second step is to become a discipleship group, developing wisdom and knowledge in the things of God, and learning to apply those things by working together toward a kingdom goal.
Sometimes, there is a level of knowledge and maturity in a group even as they are growing in their fellowship and love for one another. In that case, a group might take a step from simple fellowship to mission and ministry. The discipleship, spiritual formation stage, may not be necessary. Spiritual formation may happen as the group is challenged in their missional work. Communitas is a wonderful outcome when people work, and reach out together.
Small group churches–Kingdom communities–should adopt the organic paradigm. They should, at the beginning, understand that they do not intend–indeed it is not an option–to shift to an organizational paradigm or corporate structure.
If they understand at the beginning that it is not an option, then they have to be thinking in terms of multiplication, not addition. They need to understand that more distant relationships are a natural outcome as numbers increase. Even if you grow larger as a congregation, the increase of numbers naturally creates distance because people tend to have only enough margin to invest in a limited number of people. If a group is growing, in the organic model they begin to think about multiplication.
There is resistance to that because it inserts distance in the relationships. People need to understand, even convinced, that that is going to happen anyway. As numbers increase groups or clusters of people will form. The relationships within those subgroups will deepen and other relationships will become more distant. This result doesn’t reflect rejection or animosity, it is simply a function of growing larger.
This is why I advocate for a network. In a large Church people mix and mingle in distant relationship, but typically there are clusters, small groups, that reflect the closeness that is so important to those in a house church. If we are voluntarily interdependent, we make a place for those clusters to connect as they would naturally in a larger church that has a campout, or a Sunday picnic, or an all-church seminar. The analogous gatherings in the organic Network are called Vines, that is “Voluntary Intra-Network Events.”
Evangelism by Overlapping Circles.
Evangelism in small-group churches is by relationship. As new people come into a fellowship, it grows requiring the group to multiply. A few members start fresh, stepping out with a small footprint. The prayer is that eventually this new group leaves a bigger footprint.
Can You Ever Graduate from Church? Dan talks about a new demographic in the church: The “Dones. ” These are brethren who have decided there has to be something more than just going to church. Could this be the next church planting wave? People finding other people who love Jesus and building Kingdom communities. What … Continue reading Done-delions →
The church is meant to show the world the whole picture… Are we more like Jesus when we are together?
The quarantine experience may very well have left a surprising legacy of church life. Maybe this lockdown was an incubator for new churches—vine churches—that are small, agile, and significantly, everywhere. Maybe online meetings can be seeds for new communities.
We’re called to be generous, so how does giving work in churches of the heart? As a humanitarian crisis emerges in Europe, house churches tackle the call to generosity and caring.
1st Thursday
Today’s episode is a recording of a regular online gathering of house churches called “1st Thursday.” It is a glimpse of how a church of the heart looks in real time.
The presenters are Benjamin and Heid Sadler of the Restoration Summit Fellowship. The Sadlers are also the lead musicians in a band called Chasing Ebenezer.
Dan waxes eloquent about time.
How did it get so late so soon? It’s night before it’s afternoon! December’s here before it’s June. My, how time has flown! How did it get so late so soon?
~ Dr. Seuss
In a solo contribution, Dan breaks a long podcast silence with some thoughts about relationships and the time it takes to cultivate them.
The key to house church intimacy begins with a meal.
Dan and Jody talk about the importance of sharing a meal in a house church. In addition, they offer some tips about how to pull it off.
A Word About This Episode
Please forgive some of the sound quality. We’re still getting dialed in as we adjust to new studio space. Stay tuned!
Part 2 of 2 episodes about home as ministry outpost
When the church meets in a home, it isn’t about decor and “feng shui.” it’s about the touching of hearts and the presence of the Spirit. Dan and Jody talk about the special “furnishings” of a church of the heart.
Mentioned in this Episode
- When the Church Was a Family: Recapturing Jesus’ Vision for Authentic Christian Community by Joseph Hellerman.
- From Tablet to Table by Leonard Sweet.
Part 1 of 2 episodes about home as ministry outpost.
Is your home your castle? Refuge? Hiding place? Or can your home be a ministry outpost and a place for a church of the heart? Dan and Jody talk about the implications of bringing the church home.
Mentioned in this Episode
- The Great Good Place by Ray Oldenburg
- Post about the cost of a building
Part 2 of the discussion of authority and submission.
The second episode of a discussion of submission and authority based on Dan & Jody’s book, Sword of Submission. This interview/discussion was originally posted at the Two Worlds Media website in February of 2017 as an episode f the Read Between the Worlds Podcast.
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Each Member’s Unique Gifts are Discovered in a Church of the Heart
As members of a Church of the Heart grow together it is an adventure to watch as the Holy Spirit draws spiritual gifts from out of the group. Dan and Jody talk about this journey of discovery.
Mentioned in this Episode
The Open Churchby Jim Rutz
A Look at Ephesians 4
The New Testament isn’t to be seen as a set of rules to obey, but as an instruction manual or a “playbook” for the church to use as she grows and matures as the Body of Christ. Today’s discussion draws from Ephesians 4 where the Apostle Paul describes the work of what are called the “the equipping gifts.”
Discovering the Jewels in a Church of the Heart
At the table is where everyone in a church, adults and children, discover they belong and deserve to be heard. In the midst of it all is the person and presence of Jesus.
Ongoing Discussion from Acts
Dan and Jody continue the discussion about the importance of cooperation and contribution within a church of the heart.
Part 2 of a discussion about leadership in churches of the heart.
In modern churches, elders often look like a board of directors. Is that what leadership is in a church of the heart? Dan and Jody discuss leadership and how it relates to servanthood.
Mentioned in this Episode
- Living from the Heart Jesus Gave You by E. James Wilder, et al.
- Paul’s Idea of Community by Robert Banks
- Acts 19:21
A Look Back to the Young Church
As the young church began to reach out into other cities, leaders emerged. The term, “elder” was used to describe some of them. How were these early leaders different from what we commonly think of. Dan and Jody begin a multi part discussion of this and other aspects of a church of the heart.
Episode 3 in a series about how to meet as a Church of the Heart
What does it mean to be lead by the Holy Spirit? In Acts 2 we see the church meeting and responding to the Spirit. Can we expect Him to lead in the church today?
The first in an ongoing discussion about meeting together as a simple church.
Below is a video clip that appears elsewhere on the Summit Fellowships site. It makes a fitting beginning to a series of discussions about meeting together in a church of the heart. Hope you enjoy the clip!
In this episode, Dan and Jody begin a discussion of what a church of the heart may look like in real time, beginning with Acts 2:42.
Part 3 of 3
Artwork by Alex Levin. Dan and Jody talk about the difference between structure and presence illustrated in the Old Testament accounts of David’s priestly kingship. How can we apply what we learn in the Old Testament about the habitation of God to our church experience?
Part 2 of 3
Dan and Jody continue the conversation about the habitation of God. From the Garden of Eden, to the tabernacle, temple, and to the Church, God has provided a spatial reference to His heavenly dwelling and invited us to be His household and habitation.
First of Two Episodes
When God created the earth He made a place for the first inhabitants. It was an intersection between heaven and earth and a garden where God, himself, could inhabit with His creation. What are the qualities of a habitation of God?
Second of Two Parts
In this second of two parts on overcoming offenses, Dan and Jody talk about patterns and kinds of offenses. There is a difference between “stuffing” and “cleansing” our offenses.
Mentioned in the Podcast
A Liturgy for Ordinary Radicals
Part 1 of 2 parts
Are you offended with someone? What would it be like not to be offended? Today, Dan and Jody talk about the removal of offenses. The first of a two-part discussion.
Part 2: When the new wears off…
This episode is a continuing episode about the challenges on the road to oneness and what happens when you find some rough spots on the road to relationship.
Things start so well…
Churches, groups, new jobs, even marriages, often start off with thrills and excitement. Unfortunately, that kind of fun doesn’t last. In this episode Dan and Jody discuss the importance of being prepared for the challenges of life in a Church of the Heart.
Mentioned in this episode…
Steve Meeks (also referenced in a previous podcast. Dr. Meeks is formerly of Calvary Community Church of Houston, TX. He is presently engaged in an equipping ministry called Fresh Water.
From the archives, a favorite episode . . . We’re on vacation this week, so here is one of the most popular episodes from the Church of the Heart archives. It dropped in December of 2016 (yes, the podcast goes back that far! You should check out some of the earlier episodes!) This interview deals with finances and the practical ways that one church of the heart helped each another. It’s a bit longer than our usual 15 minutes, but we think you’ll enjoy it.
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For the redeemed! And for the King!
When lies and deception creep into the a fellowship, division isn’t far behind. The unfortunate story of Ananias and Saphira.
Mentioned in this Episode Steve Meeks – Stages of Community
Acts 1 and 2 speak of the infant church as being of one mind and even one soul. Dan and Jody talk about the importance of a conviction of corporateness in churches of the heart.
Mentioned in this Episode Until Unity by Francis Chan
Lessons from the early church…
In Acts chapter one an two, the church begins to live and thrive in the power of oneness.
What is oneness? Why is unity in the church so important? Today, Dan and Jody talk about the way of oneness and power it releases.
Mentioned in this Episode Sword of Submission by Dan and Jody Mayhew
Five Steps to Impact
Dan and Jody discuss an illustration they learned in Pastor’s Prayer Summits. The road to impact begins with an encounter with God.
Dan & Jody in their trailer “studio.”
Are you detecting a pattern in the Gospel of John? More than once, Jesus calls us to love and to be one so the world will recognize His message through our lives.
Today’s discussion is drawn from what has been called the “high priestly prayer.”
This is episode 70 of the Church of the Heart Podcast and episode 17 of the change of format that we’ve called Church of the Heart 2.0. We invite you to check back in the archives of the podcast and enjoy interviews we’ve had with practitioners of what is called “simple church.”
Paul wrote that there are no unneeded parts of the body of Christ. All are significant in the work of the Kingdom. In this episode, we talk about using that reality to inform our search for the, sometimes elusive, church of the heart.
Mentioned in this Episode * The Ancient Deceptions– Discover the Oldest Tricks in the Book by Jody Mayhew and Julie Tadema. * Lion and Lamb– The Relentless Tenderness of Jesus by Brennan Manning. * Secular Squeeze by John Alexander.
16 in Series
So many choices! Where does somebody find church? More than that, what are we looking for? Dan and Jody discuss the nature of church, contrasting the church as a place and the church as a people.
Mentioned in this Episode * When Church was a Family-Recapturing Jesus’ Vision for Authentic Christian Community by Joseph Hellerman * Finding Church by Wayne Jacobsen
15 in Series
The New Testament refers to the church as a body, a family, a bride. There is very little that would lead us to assume it is an organization, and certainly not a corporation or an institution. Listen in as Dan and Jody discuss the implications of being part of an organism.
Mentioned in this Episode * Participating in God’s Mission: A Theological Missiology for the Church in America by Craig Van Gelder and Dwight Zscheile * Quote from Jim Wallis author of God’s Politics and other books. * The Hilarity of Community by Marva Dawn
14 in Series
The idea of submission is perplexing to many. Domination or passivity is not Jesus’ example. Real submission is something quite different and Jesus models the difference among his people. What does oneness look like when Jesus demonstrates it? What does is mean to the church?
Mentioned in this Episode Sword of Submission by Dan & Jody Mayhew
13 in Series
So many good things in the Garden of Eden! Still, the Creator wasn’t satisfied with something. It was not good for Adam to be alone. From the beginning we discover God’s design includes community.
Now, as the Kingdom unfolds we are convinced, more than ever, that a foundational reality of God’s plan is corporateness, the bringing together of the redeemed of the Lord.
Listen in on a discussion of this essential truth.
Mentioned in this Episode Marriage RX, Prescription for a Radical Marriage by the Mayhews.
12 in series
God said it wasn’t good for Adam to be alone. If that’s not a call to corporateness I don’t know what is. Moreover, God, Himself is a community. It seems this idea of oneness from many goes back a long time. And it was all our Creator’s idea!
Mentioned in the Episode The Divine Council worldview (Michael Heiser)
11 in Series
When Paul tells the Ephesians to put on the whole armor of God, did he mean individuals or could he have been talking about the whole church? What are the implications of the body of Christ engaging in spiritual warfare as a corporate reality?
10 in Series
When God calls His people together, from unity comes the release of power. It is a restoration of the power forfeited in Genesis 11. It is the power of the fullness of Christ in His church.
Dan and Jody continue a dialog about fullness, unity, warfare and the release of power.
Mentioned in this episode * That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis.
9 in series
When scripture tells us that we can experience fullness in Christ, what does it mean?
Today, Dan and Jody talk about the fullness that comes as a community of believers come together.
8 in Series
Much of American church life tends toward individualism. From a “personal” testimony and our “personal” relationship with Jesus, we can be practitioners of a solitary faith. In reality, God has chosen to not only dwell within believers, but also among them. “Christ in us” is as important as “Christ in me.” His church is a new creation, made up of new creations.
Mentioned in this Episode * Church of the Sojourners * The Secular Squeeze – Reclaiming Christian Depth in a Shallow World by John Alexander
7 in Series
Dan and Jody recall moving through different dynamics of church life, from fellowship to discipleship to leadership in the corporate expression of the church.
Can church function as a unified whole without creating hierarchies for leadership?
6 in Series
When the Lord speaks, are we ready to hear? What is it like to listen for the word of the Lord as a group?
In a group, all of us can learn from each of us.
Mentioned in this Episode * The Grotto – Sanctuary of Our Sorrowful Mother. * Prayer Summits – International Renewal Ministries.
5 in Series
Looking back, we often see how experiences and influences have been the building blocks that have formed our lives.
Dan and Jody discuss some of the influences that shaped a new understanding of what it means to be the church.
Mentioned in this Episode * Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey * Come Follow Me by Jody Mayhew * Revolution, the Early Church by Gene Edwards * Multnomah University
4 in Series
What is church? Is it a building? Is it an organization? An institution?
Or is it people, an organism, a body? Listen along as Dan and Jody take a look in the rearview mirror and reflect on what they learned.
3 in Series
We live in a highly individualized culture. Even so, the Lord chooses to reveal Himself through His church. Paul calls it “a body,” the corporate image of Christ.
Join the ongoing discussion of the development of churches of the heart.
Mentioned in this Episode * Two Worlds Media * ‘tween2worlds.us * The Summit Fellowships
2 in Series
Dan and Jody look back on their accidental journey to a church of the heart.
Sometimes we don’t realize that God is laying groundwork for our future walk with him. What is the Lord preparing you for? You may be surprised the seeds are even now being planted.
#1 of Series
After a long hiatus, The Church of the Heart Podcast returns with a new format, new logo, even new music courtesy of sound artist Colette Fallon.
In this new incarnation of the podcast, Dan and Jody Mayhew will discuss various topics relative to forming and living in what we’ve been calling a Church of the Heart. Where did the name come from? What does it mean? Why seek out a church of the heart?
Most of the episodes going forward will be about 15 minutes long, each one dealing with a specific issue relative to small group churches. Occasionally, we’ll invite guests to the show and interview. Those interviews will be significantly longer, much like the podcasts that have come before.
As always, we welcome your feedback and suggestions.
This episode deals with the Mayhew’s journey from more traditional church life to the interactive, intimate and intentional fellowship of a church of the heart.
Mentioned in this podcast: * Sonship Studies * Colette Fallon
A new book from Luke 10
Dan interviews John White co-founder and director of Luke 10 which trains and resources simple churches world-wide. This is the second interview with John (the first was in July of 2017) and centers on the release of the book, Joy Fueled: Catalyzing a Revolution of Joyful Communities.
Mentioned in this episode:
- Luke 10 Communities
- Life Model Works
- The Spontaneous Expansion of the Church by Roland Allen
- Church 101 training for relational communities
- Mark Virkler and hearing the voice of God
- The Other Half of Church by Jim Wilder
- Stories if the Revolution (John’s podcast)
- The Wisdom of Your Heart by Marc Alan Schelske
We cannot follow… An excerpt:
My reason for suggesting “ecclesia” to describe the community of Christ-followers is because of its first century meaning. It was understood to be a representative body of a particular state, essentially a group called out to assemble for the business of the city. It was understood to describe an assembly with specific goals and qualities. The most important feature, though, was its separateness.
The entire piece is located at www.danmayhew.net.
Thoughts on new community The following are excerpts from a longer piece posted on my personal web portal.
As followers of Jesus we are now being called to a separate peace and a new community. No more business as usual…
As reactionary as it may sound, I believe we have come to the time of ecclesia, that is the calling out of an assembly. The old American church has been too dependent on the culture in which it was formed. That culture, in ways both subtle and obvious, is turning against it.
To read the piece in its entirety click to Dan's personal site. The essay is called A New Community.