We all grew up in different parts of American Christianity, and we still keep thinking about how to take it seriously, even as we leave some beliefs behind. Join us our round-table discussion as we ravel out our faith in a complex world, pulling on one thread at a time, seeking Meaning at the end of it all.
A grandmother is sitting with her grandson and says, "In life, there are two wolves inside of you that are constantly in battle. The good wolf represents things like kindness, love, and joy while the bad wolf represents things like greed, hatred and fear." The grandson thinks about it for a moment then looks up at his grandmother and asks, "But grandmother, which one wins?" The grandmother answers with, "The one you feed."
We think about the Self and our relationship with it. In addition to the parable, we ponder the ideas of Self embedded in concepts like the Inner Child, Internal Family Systems, personality typologies. Bonus questions include: is it possible to be codependent on God in the worshiper/divine relationship.
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We're asked to interrogate the sentiment behind "I don't know, I'm not God" when a listen calls in (601-557-2835) with a bit of feedback from our recent episode on the Trinity. So we dig into the limits of human knowledge, where we believe there may be true unknowables, and discuss the implications of the first story of sin in the bible being humanity eating of the Tree of Knowledge.
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So you may have seen this making the TikTok rounds in recent weeks... The "Sparkle Creed" is a radical take on Christian inclusivity that got some folks fired up! Emily has spent some time dwelling on it's contents and it's message and has some thoughts. We ravel through the language of the Sparkle Creed, comparing and contrasting to the Creeds of tradition, and by the end of it all, we end up crafting our own!
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Who belongs at the table that is called Christianity? Stephen feels like the vast majority of Christianity today and through the ages would say he does not any longer. Emily and Josh have different convictions. We wrestle with God and our fellow men today as we enter this dialogue.
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Hard to know where to even start with this one, to be honest. The Trinity is one of the most paradoxical, "accept on faith" concepts in all of Christianity. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All-in-All, Three-In-One nature. While being careful not to slip in modalism or tritheism, we attempt to work on this theological idea that has stumped Christians for thousands of years.
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We're thinking about the good ol' days of summer camp while Emily is actually at church summer camp this week, so we're throwing it back in the time machine! (We know we said last time was the last time this year, but stuff is going on, ya know?)
Have you ever been to Christian conferences like Acquire The Fire or Dare2Share? Or do you often relive the glory days of that summer church camp while you were growing up? We're turning the nostalgia factor up to 11 and sharing stories of the good, bad, and the bizarre from our experiences of Christian conference culture.
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Living in the world can be challenging, especially when there are just some things you don't want to talk about with certain people. So we mask, or as today's question submitted puts it, we "code switch" in order to avoid rocking the boat. What does this look like for us? Language modification, conversational abstinence, or some secret third thing?
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How did we observe our American Independence Day? And why did Emily's church disappoint by not singing patriotic songs in worship that weekend? We interrogate the beliefs and theologies that intertwine Christian faith with superpower's might and wonder what idols are really at those roots.
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Patience is a virtue. At least that's what we're told. But what about it's biblical cousin, long-suffering? What's the difference and how do we cultivate it or discover it within ourselves? These questions are tackled today, plus Stephen offers his best Smeagol impression from The Lord of the Rings.
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Revival and Renaissance and Resurrection, oh my! Today we follow standard Stephen practice by talking about something long after it's out of the news cycle when Josh brings up the Asbury Revival to discuss whether the concept is viable at all. Is there a problem with an emotionally driven peak experience? What's next for the church if not revival?
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CW: This episode contains conversation about disordered eating, body shame, and bullying. Please listen with care and be well, friends.
Our culture and the church have both contributed to unhealthy, disordered ways of thinking about our bodies and the love we should show them. Some of us grew up thinking we needed to hate our bodies or discipline ourselves to avoid giving into sin. What theologies contribute to the disordered ways we can learn to eat and exist in the beautiful bodies we have?
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We're back with fresh new stuff and Emily is just bubbling over with joy! We talk about the meaning of joy, the free access to joy, and what we find joy in.
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Welcome back, just one more time, to the Time Machine! Stephen's crazy work schedule at his day job is finally over, but between some much needed rest on Stephen's part and the summer already well under way, we needed a bit of a gap in the recording schedule. So we're bringing you an incredibly poignant rebroadcast in light of last week's revelations.
Is there anything more meta than a faith podcast talking about faith directly? What do we mean exactly when we talk about faith and how does it differ from beliefs or trust? What does it mean to leave "the faith"? Can you ever lose faith or do you just place your faith in something else? What does it mean for God to have faith in us?
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Season 2 of Ravel begins today as one of our hosts realizes that they are no longer Christian.
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Emily poses the question outright: how is it with your soul? So naturally, first we must discuss the metaphysics of the soul, attempt to define it, and throw up our hands in frustration. But then things take a turn to the personal and vulnerable as we each take a turn earnestly answering the question!
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Stephen's heart is growing three whole sizes this year as he discovers that he can just choose to enjoy the holidays! So we visit with the ghosts of holiday's past, present, and future as we share childhood memories, this year's festivities, and the traditions we hope to continue in the future.
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Would it shock you to learn that Stephen used to engage in petty theft? And would you consider that sin equally evil compared to something like... murder? On this episode, Josh asks us to dissect this mindset of "all sins being equal" before God. Because after all, all have sinned and fallen short. But does that let some people shirk accountability? Plus, a big personal announcement for Stephen!
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Halloween vibes come late as we field our first question from the Ravel "Hotline"! You, too, could submit a question, comment, or audio review of the show by calling 601-55RAVEL (601-557-2835) or submit a voice memo to the inbox at theravelpod@gmail.com!
Is speaking with the dead something we believe in? Let alone, is it even possible? Our answers may leave you as surprised as Josh was when Stephen started talking about meeting his daughter who was lost to miscarriage in 2020. Oh, and also Stephen has encountered shadow people.
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Or maybe I went to hell? At the very least, it was near death.
Emily brings questions about near death experiences and their validity. Josh validates them as experience, but not as proof of anything. Stephen is back to believing that maybe there's something to the whole spiritual realm. And Emily shares her story of meeting an angel.
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With every door that closes, it can be easy to feel like a failure. At least for Stephen, it is. With changes going on in life, and certain expectations are not met, the feeling of letting someone down can be hard to shake. Especially if it is only your own expectations for yourself that you failed.
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We're finally asking the question! On a definitional level, who gets to call themselves a Christian? Because, as you may know, there are a lot of different ideas out there. Josh is ready to say that anyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Emily insists we must define it without the institutional church getting in the way. And Stephen is calling himself an Evangelical again?!
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Perhaps the divine right of kings was invented by the kings and not a gift from the gods. In human cultures based on hierarchical power-over structures, is it any wonder that the church became the same? Truth wielded like a hammer where every doubt looks like a nail and power used to keep people in line. It seems designed this way, potential born of the Creeds themselves. Listen in as we contemplate the origin of the creeds, the desert monastics, and church design.
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Is humility the opposite of shame? And could shame serve any good purpose? This is what we ponder as we name stories from the bible involved shame and discuss the efficacy of anonymous donations.
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Open your bibles to the Hebrew Bible, class, today we're talking about mythology. Stephen wonders if there is a sliver of truth to the old stories and wants to know what could do with that. Emily informs us on the types of myths that are told and how they help scaffold our understandings of the world and humanity. Josh says the only thing that keeps him remotely Christian is the mythical nature of it.
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We cannot complete negate the harm we can cause. But what we can do is mitigate with intention. For instance, it is a widely accepted position in the scientific community that we are beyond avoiding the effects of human-caused climate change, but we ought to keep working to mitigate the harm done. Josh thinks we should be thinking of church in the same way.
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Perfection. How do we even begin raveling out conceptions of perfection from Greek and Roman philosophy, through Hebrew theology and Christian expectation? We seem to be called to be perfect as the heavenly Father is perfect. But how does that change when we understand the Hebrew "Tov" and the Greek "Tellios"? Do we live, striving to be Good? Are we already Good?
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What do Samwise Gamgee and Superman have in common? What about Gandalf and Aslan? Emily brings a discussion about the "Christ figures" found in works of fiction, why they resonate with us, and whether we can name Christ figures in our own lives. We discuss the difference between a narrative Christ figure and an IRL person acting Christ-like, while also pondering the unique meta-narrative of the crucified God.
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Is Stephen really trying to say going to a metal show is the same as going to church? Yes, yes he is. And while he might still think that by the end of this, he's ready to take the risky leap of faith into trying out a new church soon. Josh struggles to come up with an answer as to why he doesn't want to go back to church, while Emily asks us to consider, "what the heck did you expect?"
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Would you care to join us for a discussion on the Bible and what it may or may not endorse? Josh is curious to know where we land and finds out that Stephen is having a hard time even showing up, making it a perfect role play in how to have conversations in which both sides clearly disagree and don't approach the topic within the same paradigm.
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Welcome to Ravel! If you're new around here, we understand that looking at a backlog of over 100 episodes can be daunting, so we recommend starting here. Get to know your hosts and where we're coming from as embark in conversation around theology and life, where we pull on the thread of our own pressing questions in real time. Whether you are deconstructing, reconstructing, deconverting, converting, switching churches, or in the uncomfortable in-between spaces along the way, this podcast is created for you to feel safe and open to ask your own questions with the gentle metaphor of raveling.
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It honestly feels surreal to us that we're crossing the 100 Episode milestone. It feels like we're just getting started! On this first-of-its-kind mailbag episode, we asked the community to share what's one belief or idea they've been raveling in the last year and we received great responses! Here's to one hundred questions and hundreds more to come!
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Man's chief end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever, as the catechism goes. But what does that even mean? What does it look like to glorify God? Perhaps we're making Jesus famous or Christ beautiful. Or we're conveying honor to the Creator Being. Or we're reminding ourselves of the vastness of God and security we find within.
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Grief shows up in many forms and Emily is wondering what it can teach us. Whether we are mourning the death of a loved one, or experiencing a void through loss of a job or item, or feeling the lost potential future of how we thought life would go, grief is here. And perhaps it can teach us to love more. Or maybe it helps to know God has grieved too. In the end, we're here to say "thank you, grief". Because while it is our attachments that create our greatest sufferings, that is also where we find our greatest loves.
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Burnout and fatigue show up in many different ways. Stephen is feeling the strain this week as he asks to process burnout in the midst of it himself. We talk about the expectations placed on clergy and volunteers in ministry, the value of negative space to inspire action, motivation in dry seasons, and the slow work of healing with remedies that are more than a bandaid on the mind and spirit.
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It took us almost one hundred episodes to finally tackle the Resurrection. Josh shares how he's come to a place of this theology being de-emphasized in importance for him. Emily shares the Wesleyan position and makes sure that we're not talking about zombie Jesus. And Stephen struggles to let go of the physicality and/or literalness of the bodily resurrection.
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As we all know, Emily has recently been busy preparing for and celebrating the confirmation of her ordination, so we thought today was a perfect opportunity to entangle Ravel with our guest co-host, Cori Di Biase of the A Freedom of Ideas Podcast. Cori visits the show to ask questions about philosophical Absolutes and how a vision of process theology might be moving us to a whole new mode of thinking in the same way the field of physics shifted from Newtonian to Einsteinian ideas.
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On this, the 6th of July, 2022, we declare our interdependence on God and decide to pledge allegiance to no flag and no king but Christ! We at least have a great discussion about what it means for us to be a part of a political system and trying to take our faith seriously amidst the complexity. Josh recites the pledges to the Christian flag and the Bible. Stephen renounces all patriotism outright. Emily debates discipleship.
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Turn in your bibles, if you will, to both Luke 10:25-29 and Matthew 5:43-48. Inspired by his time on Trans Regret Snoopy Presents the Bible, Stephen is requesting a bible study to interrogate the question, "Who Is My Enemy?"
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Who am I to say what any of this means? When we feel like a fraud as our beliefs ravel out, it's normal to feel isolated and alone. But that's a thing with imposter syndrome, it's a lie. You are valid. Your thoughts are valid. Your beliefs are valid. Today we explore the possibilities on why imposter syndrome can sneak into our faith lives.
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We're joined today for a special bonus episode, in celebration of Pride Month 2022, by Staci Frenes, author of the book Love Makes Room: And Other Things I Learned When My Daughter Came Out.
Staci is a singer songwriter, business woman, author, and perhaps most pertinently to today's conversation, a mother. She shares her story with us today of what it took to make room within her evangelical faith structure for her own daughter who one day came out to Staci as a beloved member of the LGBTQIA+ community.
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Why do we have so many different denominations of Christian churches? What is gained and lost with so many divisions, drawing lines in the sands? This question comes from the Patreon group as Sarah wonders why we insist on fracturing when the promise of the new heavens and new earth seems to be unity. What are we missing that we can't begin forging that unity now?
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How do we know what we know? And how do we know we can trust what we know? Today, we try to tease apart the twisted threads of what trust, faith, doubt, and mistrust represent as we grow into life-giving theology.
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Change your mind, for the Kingdom of God is here. Like water carving canyons out of the land, our thoughts carve habits in our minds. But what inspires true change? What incentivizes repentance? What causes a shift in our minds?
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Being part of a movement that is inherently decentralized, is this podcast being part of the deconstruction project doomed to fail? After five centuries of the protestant reformation, are we due for a reunification of the church? Or will we continue to splinter into increasingly smaller micro-communities?
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Coming to us from our topic suggestion channel in Discord, we're tackling the fruits and gifts of the Spirit today. What does it mean to grow in and live out the fruits of the Spirit as Paul calls them in Galatians 6? Do you need to experience the "bonus" gifts that come from baptism in the Holy Spirit like tongues and prophecy to be a Christian? And why does Stephen find it so hard to accept a compliment?
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Marriage. Marriage is what brings us together today. At least in the sense that Emily wants to talk about it, as she heads into wedding season as a pastor. We discuss premarital counseling, the expectations of child bearing, and a few of the bad stereotypes out there. Should anyone know of any reason that this podcast should not talk about holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace.
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Record every Sunday afternoon. Open every episode by sharing our beverage of choice. Close every episode with a pastoral benediction. These are the habits that Ravel participates in. So now Stephen is wondering if we can talk about the habits and rituals that make up our lives as individuals and communities.
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We're thinking about creating space today. Working with a definition of "creating a space where folks would rather spend time than their own home", we talk about places we've loved growing up and our favorite hospitality practices today and how those all influence our theologies.
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What is love? The outpouring of ones self to another person? A selfless act that betters someone else? If God is Love, then is Love God? This massive question brought to you by our friend Tyler in the Ravel Community!
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It's been a long 9 years in the process. Emily is in the final steps on the path to ordination within the United Methodist Church and wanted to reflect on the journey. We talk about the preparation required of ordinans, the difference between high church and low church settings, and why this process could serve to better weed out abusers and opportunists from pursuing church leadership.
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Do not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. And don't use other cuss words while you're at it. At least that's how some of us were raised. But we're wondering what we were so afraid of? Words have the ability to capture emotion, build someone up, and tear someone down. We discuss taboo words, child appropriate words, and the intent behind them.
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In a world where the word "misinformation" shows up a lot, Josh is wondering if it can be applied to theology? Are we talking about error? Are we talking about heresy? At what point should we try to correct someone who we believe holds a misinformed belief?
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[Teaser clip for Bonus Episode 3]
They each have an episode featured on Know Normal People. They've made over 75 episodes of Ravel together. They've spent one afternoon together, in person, when they met in September. But otherwise, Josh and Emily don't know each other that well. So today, they start to change that!
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We welcome the voice of one of our friends and supporters to get us started on the concept of "the fear of God". Chad wonders how we should read this idea out of the biblical text and if it could mean something different than "fear". We discuss the linguistic options before us as senses of terror, awe, reverence, respect, and trembling.
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Blessed are the meek. Blessed are the poor. And maybe blessed are the lucky? With St. Patrick's Day upon us, Emily wanted to interrogate the concept of luck and how it might overlap with the idea that God gives blessings.
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Is it possible to be too optimistic? That's what Stephen's wondering today as he grapples with the possible links between his sense of optimism and hope for the world and his experience of privilege. We discuss the helplessness of hope, being God's gift to the world, and the inherently optimistic mindset of continuous improvement.
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GUEST SPOT HIGHLIGHT! Veterans of Culture Wars - Flooding the Zone with Empathy: Josh Lieuallen of the Ravel Podcast
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Josh, once again, had too many topics on his mind. But instead of rolling a dice, we let the Patreon community decide, so we're talking about pushy Christians! We attempt to nuance the role of advice, opinion, and calling others out like Jesus did.
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[Teaser clip for Bonus Episode 2]
We do a deep dive on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Podcast produced by Mike Cosper at Christianity Today. Talking points include: Cosper's audience, the othering of other religions and denominations, bad apple spoils the whole bunch, Biblical womanhood, coffee ties to religious groups, Trinity Church in Arizona, Josh Harris, journalistic practices, and much, much more!
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We welcome the voice of one of our friends and supporters to kick us off on the topic of suffering! Courtney wonders if there's a better way to conceptualize suffering beyond the one interpretation she was taught at a young age. We discuss the book of Job, our desire for suffering to mean something, tears in heaven, conditioning and positive reinforcement, and much more.
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Is there anything more meta than a faith podcast talking about faith directly? What do we mean exactly when we talk about faith and how does it differ from beliefs or trust? What does it mean to leave "the faith"? Can you ever lose faith or do you just place your faith in something else? What does it mean for God to have faith in us?
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Did you know that all the hosts of Ravel are drummers? Neither did some of our hosts... so it was time we talked about music in church and in worship! Join us for a conversation on playing drums in church, the devil's music in secular genres, and when Kanye boosted his record sales when he went Christian that one time!
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Inspired in part by a thought he had while watching a documentary about snake handling, Josh has questions about the way different denominations are able to appeal to certain demographics and people of varying economic classes. Should a church seek to appeal to one group or another?
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We're trying a few new things in 2022! And today we're kicking off our first monthly community submitted topic by our friend and supporter, Danelle! Listen in for a discussion about mental health and the way Christian's have struggled to make sense of it. Emily shares the nuances of pastoral care and therapy and when each might be appropriate and Stephen offers an alternative to the classical "problem of suffering".
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Where do you find comfort? Maybe it's your favorite chair with a good cup of tea or listening to your favorite podcast. Maybe it's in some common Bible verses like Psalm 23. Maybe you're like Stephen who likes to meditate at weird places in public. Emily guides us through a discussion of the place and role of comfort in our lives and why we should talk about it more.
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We made it, friends! Episode 69! The funny sex number! We launch into our first explicit tagged conversation [language is still censored] about sexuality and anatomy. [We have frank discussions about human anatomy that you may not want to share with the kids around you, wherever you listen.]
We talk about purity culture, sexual ethics in the Bible, pre-marital sex, the celibacy of Jesus, sexual norms, Paul's singleness, and the social construct of virginity that Stephen definitely thinks is fake. Enjoy!
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Welcome to 2022! After the New Years holiday where we all famously make resolutions (and a Patreon bonus episode about next steps and the future), Josh wants to talk about our hopes and dreams! Both in the sense of our vision for the future and the dreams we get in our sleep. We tell stories of memorable dreams, our vivid imaginations, and deja vu!
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[Teaser clip for Bonus Episode 1]
In our first bonus episodes exclusive to Patreon supporters, Josh and Stephen discuss their work histories, good pranks, and what might be in store for 2022.
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! The time of the year where every podcast should address the holidays in some way, so we discuss our favorite (and overrated) Christmas movies, the traditions we've held onto around the season, and what it looks like to leave traditions behind. Is obligation good for the sake of 'this is how we've always done it'?
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After a couple anger-fueled rants in last week's episode, Stephen asks us to unpack the role of anger in our lives, Christian or otherwise. We do our best with the passages of the Bible where we see Jesus get angry and try to sort out what it means to be angry at God. And if God's wrath needs an object to direct it toward, could God be capable of targeting the sin and not the sinner?
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We circle back to a missed topic on our last roulette with Josh leading us through questions about oppression and persecution. We interrogate the difference between the two words, why some like to deny the felt experience of others, and Stephen goes on an uncharacteristically angry rant! And we pray together on the pod for the first time EVER!
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It was a special day in the Rettinghouse home! Emily got to be part of baptizing her daughter--and thought it was a good space to explore. We tell the story of our own baptisms, learn just how many Protestants actually practice infant baptism, and discuss the importance of voluntary consent in adult baptism. We get to explore the background Jewish practices and ideas of consecration, purification and initiation. And forgive us for being on the short side! Sometimes the duties of motherhood call suddenly!
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Happy Thanksgiving! We could have easily done an entire episode about the benefits of gratitude, but we chose to spare you. Instead, we're talking food! Stephen has a sneaking feeling lately that our whole world is about being able to acquire and enjoy food, so naturally we get pulled into thoughts on food drives and church driven charity.
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Will a church that doesn't evolve with modern technology survive? Certainly some have and some haven't. So Josh leads us in a discussion of tech, the metaverse church of the future, and the humble website. Emily talks about her experience in church leadership with certain apps and platforms, including voting at the UMC General Conference. And Stephen shares some insider knowledge having once been on staff at a megachurch.
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Emily dives straight into what may be our culture's most controversial subjects! We discuss how we were raised to think about abortions and the shortcomings of polarized arguments that often talk past each other. We ravel out the meaning of "pro-life" and attempt to untangle the thin basis for theology among these debates.
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Stephen brings a classic word study on the idea of "submission". First, in the context of marriage, we discuss the outsized impact a simple phrase like "wives submit to your husbands" has on the culture in gender roles and divisions of labor. Then we discuss church authority! And tune in for an embarrassing story of teenage Stephen talking back to his mom!
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In anticipation of the spooky holiday, we thought we could talk about magic! Why were Christians so scared of D&D, ACDC played backwards, or Harry Potter in the times of "satanic panic"? What is there to fear? Why are we terrified by what some call black magic while some of us believe in miracles and other God sanctioned supernatural events?
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Of course, from guilt, we have to talk about grace! Emily leads us through a discussion on grace, it's unmerited nature, and how it might just be another word for love. We get to talk about Paul's vested interested in grace as a concept and how grace may be the New Testament word for what the Hebrew bible calls "mercy".
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Feeling the sting of a guilty conscience for talking too much, Stephen wonders where guilt comes from and what we can do with it? How does shame factor in? What about repentance? Is guilt a psychological feeling we evolved through socialization or is it the Holy Spirit identifying where we are breaking a moral code?
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We cast lots to choose a topic today, since Josh is so full of ideas, he didn't know which one to select! The fates had in mind a conversation about faith and the interplay with reason and rationality. We discuss our shifting among the colors in spiral dynamics, the relevance of reason in the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, and Kierkegaard's "leap of faith".
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Emily gets us back in to the swing of things by asking the question, "do animals go to heaven?" Which of course draws us into conversation about the afterlife, being consistent in our theologies, and whether Harambe is in heaven looking down on us with love. We ravel out the "purpose" we or animals will have in heaven, the puzzling reality of carnivorous creatures in a world without Death, and the ecosystems of heaven.
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Dixie Lee Henning discusses the wins and losses of translating beloved fictional books into movies. Covering major plot points, subtle character development, popular fan theories, and what you might have missed if you've only seen the film.
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After a 2 month maternity leave from the podcast, Pastor Emily is back! We recorded this episode in the library of Emily's church and in person for the first time ever! Josh and Stephen reflect on the past 8 episodes of guests. Emily comes with a report on her wonderful baby and brings notes to debrief about the episodes we made without her!
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We are concluding our guest host series with Stephen's partner, the "Reverend" Dixie Lee Henning! Having experienced a confusing series to fertility struggles throughout her life and two miscarriages with Stephen, Dixie wonders why our culture in the church and at large don't talk much about it. This is an emotionally hardhitting episode with high highs and low lows. Grace and peace.
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Rounding out the crew from the IN2 Podcast, Alex Falcongrove joins Ravel to ask the question, "What do we do with the mad that we feel?" After we tip the scales from Christian to Agnostic, what do we do with the baggage we were taught to carry?
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Rounding out the crew from the Whiskey Bench podcast, Kat Dwyer joins Ravel to discuss her spiritual journey from being raised Catholic in church and private schools, moving from that context to the very Protestant Calvary Chapel, and now how she is thinking about her relationship to her faith and the church.
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Another guest host from the IN2 podcast, Kevin comes on to talk about separating the "spiritual" from the "religious". We dig into the ubiquity of spiritual experience available to us from sports, concerts, and communities and how it's problematic for the church to claim a monopoly on spiritual experience. At the very least, churches should be honest about the manipulation used on Sunday mornings and stop attributing it to movements of spirit, because there is good to be done and for people and we ought to be honest about how we share it.
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Continuing our guest host series, Tracie Falconburg joins us to talk about being in relationship with those embarking on a deconstruction journey. Tracie shares the story of when her marriage felt threatened by evolving beliefs in her husband and how they overcame doubt in their relationship by choosing to grow together no matter what. We discuss the fear and risk involved in love and some thoughts how we can hold space for those in the middle of faith crisis or remodeling beliefs. (We highly recommend making sure you've listened to our previous episode featuring Tracie's husband, Marv, to get the full picture of their story!)
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"Pops" comes from the IN2 Podcast ready to talk about all things science. We dig into the philosophy of faith and science, listening to God's creation as a mode of learning truth, the evolution of our species, the new meaning for the "Fall" in the Garden of Eden, the inspiration of inerrant Scripture, and much more!
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Stephen Torna joins Ravel to discuss the parallels between American politics and American Christianity. We attempt to diagnose the aligning of "progressive" or "conservative" Christians with their respective modern political parties and dream about what it would be like for faithful people to break out of that binary. With his own interests in Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Torna brings a unique perspective to the table.
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We kick off our guest host series with Katie Falcongrove! She brings a question about our youth group experiences and we discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly. We get into the fun games we played (and some gross games!), the way groups were separated by age and gender, the use of metaphors in purity culture, and our complicated feelings about our leaders. We also make an attempt to build our perfect youth group, modeled after the show, Queer Eye!
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In today's episode and Emily's final taping before maternity leave, she brings a wide-ranging discussion on capital punishment. We ravel out many thoughts on the nature of justice and the Foucaultian concepts of the monastic cell in our modern culture. We ask questions about whether we are choosing to follow the model of Jesus or the Bible itself when they appear to be at odds regarding capital punishment and the rights to life and death.
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Josh is curious to find where culture and religion overlap and intersect. Is at "at large" somewhere or does the venn diagram lie within every individual? We try to define culture as the atmosphere between two or more people and look to identify markers of unhealth that could poison an otherwise healthy culture. And we ask if it's possibly to humbly share that which matters most to you without an air of superiority.
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Stephen attempts to pitch clever names for the phenomenon of theology taking root and bearing fruit. The "head theology to heart theology pipeline; the "orthodoxy to orthopraxy" pipeline; the "apologetics to mysticism" pipeline. We explore the dualism between the head and heart in our culture and discuss what it means to be in a spiritually "dry season".
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Today we attempt to ravel out the ties among spirituality, mental health, and demonic influence. Where can we draw the line between psychologizing something spiritual and spiritualizing something psychological? What are the markers we can look at for true demonic influence? We then wrap up on discussing healthy self-care and our favorite practices.
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Location. Location. Location. Where our theologies come from matters. Whether we are anchoring traditional Reformational theology to a Swiss-French context in the 16th century, Methodism to an English-American context in the 18th century, or #WeirdChristian Twitter in the 21st century, it's important to do the work to know our source.
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Perhaps you're here as a product of complex forces of the universe directing you toward this moment of listening to Ravel and reading our show notes. Or maybe you had some agency over that choice to join us. It's possible God always knew that you'd be here today, but maybe God's in process with an open future alongside us? We ask many questions about per-determinism, irresistible grace, free will, and a future full of possibilities.
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Have you ever wondered if life is somewhere out there among the stars? Maybe even looking back at us? How would your theology change? Emily brings us many questions about alien life and the impacts to our structures of belief.
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With defining cults and NRMs out of the way, Josh wants to dig into the theology of some groups and how they splinter from Christianity. What starts as a conversation around our preconceptions of cults as charismatic or fantastical turns into how cults (and churches) define and broadcast their beliefs for marketing purposes. Is it helpful to be ultra defined in every belief up front or leave things nebulous to newcomers?
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We conclude an informal miniseries with a direct conversation about Atonement. After sin and forgiveness, it felt natural to Stephen to discuss the several atonement theories throughout the ages. He's wondering what was accomplished through the death and resurrection of Jesus. At which point, Josh throws a curveball when he introduces Spongebob and the problem of using the word "theory".
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After our discussion of sin last week, Emily is curious to dig into forgiveness. Is forgiveness a one time moment or a way of life? Why can it be easier to forgive others and reserve bitterness for ourselves? Is it appropriate to "forgive and forget"?
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Welcome to the IN2 Podcast, where we seek to incite insight, pursuing truth for the sake of wonder. Join us to have an honest and encouraging conversation about whatever it is that we're - in to. We spark laughter and strive to deepen our understanding of the world and the things we share it with. So pull up a seat, and let's get IN2 it.
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An age old question for the Christian faith: What is sin? Josh is curious about several aspects of sin. Is it mere disobedience against God? Is it "missing the mark" as the Orthodox say? We dig into sins against God and against people as social harms, denying dignity, and the heart issue of idolatry. Plus, did Jesus really never sin?
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The idea of defending his new home with a gun is weighing on Stephen pretty heavily this week. We talk about Christian pacifism, the ethics of lethal home defense, deontological batman, designs to kill, hunting, and more.
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Pssst. Hi, it's Me, God. Can you hear Me?
Emily kicks us off with a question about hearing God's voice. We discuss the possibility of the phenomenon and wonder how we can test the claims of individuals or groups that say they hear from God.
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Sorry to disappoint when we don't talk AT ALL about how to get there. But it turns out Josh and Emily both believe in something close to total annihilation of everything at death. And that spins Stephen into so many questions about the meaning of Jesus Christ's resurrection, the communion of saints, and of course, we talk about sex in heaven!
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We talk ourselves in circles in this conversation about heresy. Stephen obviously has some issues with authority getting to define it and struggles with pride and humility when it comes to making theological truth claims.
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...break glass! That's definitely how a faith crisis or transition can feel! Based on the roll of a d4, we're all about deconstruction this week. We talk through its origins from Jacques Derrida and even the misappropriations of the term when applied to religious faith crisis. The matter of identity sticks with us and gets us thinking about our Western tendency to identify our beliefs as us, when perhaps our identity has always been more in our relationships than in ourselves.
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So we've talked about camps and conferences, so now it's time for the mission trip! What experience do you have with missions trips growing up, internationally or locally? Stephen names all the places he hasn't been, while Josh and Emily try to get to the root of his skepticism. What's the role of evangelism within a service oriented mission trip and could it actually be doing more harm than good?
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Turn in your bibles to the end of days; we're talking about Judgment Day. (Seriously, we reference so much bible). Is the Day of Reckoning an actual future event for which we will have conscious experience? Even if it is, do we live like it? Judgment read in a certain way can sound like punishment, correction, retribution, restoration, equalization, or Mercy. So where does that leave us?
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Have you ever wondered if God feels emotions? If we are are created in the Image of God, do we feel emotions because God does? Or are we risking anthropomorphizing God in our image if we assume God feels the same emotions we do? We grapple with the theology of impassibility, discuss the idea of God "hating", and find comfort in God empathizing and experiencing our emotions with us.
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It's time we talk about it. Let's dig into women as pastors, leading our congregations, and teaching men as equals. We talk about the common textual arguments for the complementarian view, the definition of pastorship, societal misogyny, questioning the call, and the textual examples for the egalitarian view.
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How do we approach the Divine in prayer? Should it be as simple as saying our A.C.T.S.? What does prayer accomplish and who is it for, God or us? We grapple with the complexities of making requests of God, testing God, and sitting contemplatively with God.
This episode of Ravel is dedicated to Bonnie May Henning and Jonah Shai Henning.
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Are we allowed to read ancient texts with our modern categories of genre? And what informs our education on biblical genres? We wonder out loud at if we might read the Bible through a satirical lens and even suggest some possible edits of books or stories we wish were never part of the Bible to begin with. Follow along in your study bibles and be sure to ruthlessly prooftext us wherever we get it wrong.
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Have you ever been to Christian conferences like Acquire The Fire or Dare2Share? Or do you often relive the glory days of that summer church camp while you were growing up? We're turning the nostalgia factor up to 11 and sharing stories of the good, bad, and the bizarre from our experiences of Christian conference culture.
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How do Christians grapple with their political life? Do the teachings and calls of Jesus have daily implications to the way we behave and participate as citizens? What does it mean that America is today's iteration of Egypt, Babylon, or Rome? More questions than answers in this twisting episode. Stephen is feeling destabilized following the events of January 6, 2021 at the US Capitol. Buckle up, this one might give you whiplash.
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Defining a cult isn't always as easy as it seems. Whether we're talking about Waco, In-n-Out Burger, or your local dentist, there are questions that we can ask to get us closer to identifying a New Religious Movement. Josh leads us through a discussion of common misconceptions, the difference between a "cult of personality" and a true NRM, and some critical thinking exercises to help us assess groups from the inside and out.
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Stephen's been digging into Catholic theology lately and it got Emily thinking about sacraments. We talk about the 7 sacraments recognized by the Catholic church and how that compares with Protestant traditions that typically pair down to Baptism and Eucharist. Are the sacraments reserved for Christians only, or can we share an Open Table? What even is a sacrament anyway? And is calling everything sacred even helpful?
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This is Part 2 of a conversation we began last week. Please go back and catch up if you haven't.
In what ended up being an almost 3 hour conversation, we pick up with Josh's thoughts about modern monetary theory and how the church may be operating on outdated conceptions of money. Stephen then guides us through some thoughts about how giving be uncomfortable by definition and if the "firstfruits" concept is valid teaching to follow. Emily rounds out the conversation with real world implications about getting paid as a pastor and receiving money from our new Patreon campaign!
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In what ended up being an almost 3 hour conversation, Stephen kicks us off with questions about the biblical origin of the tithe. In what ways are the Jewish people instructed to handle their money by the Hebrew Bible and how are these concepts adapted or reclaimed in the New Covenant through Jesus? So many thoughts on tithing as Christian duty, transactional philanthropy, churches' financial transparency, big name pastors making money off book sales, and MORE! (And this is only Part One!)
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Welcome to 2021, the sequel to 2020! After speaking with a street preacher (from across the street with his own megaphone), Josh has questions about apophatic and cataphatic theology. How do we come to our knowledge of God and his attributes?
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The birth narrative of Jesus we've grown up with is a creative combination of two different accounts in the Gospels. In this episode, we discuss the implications of the story and aspects that may be more allegorical than historical. For instance, why we find the holiday in December, how the manger scene changes with an understanding of ancient architecture, the Magi being guided by the "star", the virginity of Mary, and the character of Joseph. Happy Holidays! Merry Christmas! Happy New Years to all! We'll be back in 2021 on January 6th!
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Experience. Tradition. Scripture. Reason. These are the ingredients to what became known as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral or the Methodist Quadrilateral. We discuss the "quad" (because stumbling through the word quadrilateral makes for bad podcasting) and how it impacts our lives through the lenses it gives us to see the world and how it keeps in a centered expression of our faith.
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Emily brings the guys questions and lessons from the liturgical calendar. We discuss the pros and cons of using this tool to establish a rhythm to the year and wonder out loud about ways we could reform it. What if Christmas and Easter were only celebrated every 3 years? Or even... every 33 years? How would this change our attitudes toward holidays that have become more commercial than commemorative?
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When it comes to the Bible and Christian tradition, Josh wonders if interpreting them through a lens of Originalism is best? Are we hindered by thinking we need to somehow get back there? Where should we place the standard by which we interpret modern life? Could it be that the trajectory from Eden garden paradise to new heavenly city whose gates are never shut provides us a path to follow?
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Is a pastor allowed to not include "saving souls" in her job description? This is what Stephen was wondering and what we ravel out this episode. What is the fundamental energy that propels us to share what we have found as good news? What is your operational definition of the gospel as Good News that is worth sharing? Are we all going down in a smoking airplane or are we here to be gardeners?
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What is your experience of your body? Where do you feel anger, shame, or fear? What about love, peace, and joy? In this episode, we dig into how the Enneagram informs our mode of being and discuss the dramatic implications we think arise when we consider Jesus Christ incarnate.
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How do you handle disagreements among creative partners? Do we mistake agreeable postures for agreement? In this episode, Josh challenges Stephen's mode of interpretation on the podcast.
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Happy Halloween (or Reformation Day for you Protestant party poopers)! What do we do with spiritual beings mentioned in the Bible? Are demons actual beings, or should we treat them more as unseen forces like greed and vengeance? Is Satan a fallen angel or a personification of the Evil we fear inside ourselves? Are angels divine council members and heavenly messengers? What do we do with the names?
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(No elephants were touched without consent in the making of this show) How can we make sense of how Christianity relates to other religious and spiritual traditions? Why do Christians suck at debating people who they disagree with, Christian or not? Are we all just feeling up the same elephant trying to make sense of it all, but without talking?
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What are we waiting for when we look for the apocalypse? The End of Times, Armageddon, Second Coming. These are all names for what we've been taught to expect, but what if apocalypse is unfolding before our very eyes?
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What would you call someone who quit church, yet still holds a deep love for Christ? Post-Christian? Foolish and misled? Heretic?
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Ubuntu is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity." Often translated as "I am because we are," or "humanity towards others." Is this what it means to be an individual inside community? Can "I" function well over "We"? Can "We" function well over "I"?
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A clear goal, intentionality, generosity, creativity, contribution, trust, at the crossroads of philosophical and performative identity. These are some ingredients of what we think creates community.
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We talk about the potential impacts of COVID-19 on the church in the short term and long term!
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We play the source material that kicked off the whole Ravel podcast as a concept!
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Stephen, Josh, and Emily each spend some time laying out their spiritual and religious backgrounds!
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Introducing a podcast called Ravel, a round-table show about the complexity of faith in the age of Information. For some people, this complexity has caused the unraveling of their faith and for other people, it's been enriching. We think good theology should be an exploratory dialog, so we're going to sort through our own questions, in real time, over a couple drinks. Join us as we ravel out our faith in a complex world, pulling on one thread at a time, seeking Meaning at the end of it all.
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