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Cole Douglas Claybourn

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As Father's Day approaches, it's a good time to reflect on our own fathers or father figures in our lives and let them know how much we appreciate them. As Blythe Daniel and her son, William, remind us in this week's conversation, fathers often go unappreciated. But their new book, "I Love You, Dad: Words to Honor and Humor You," is aimed at letting fathers know how much they're loved while pointing readers to our Heavenly father.

Written along with Helen McIntosh, Blythe's mother, this book is somewhat of a companion book to one that Blythe and Helen wrote in 2022 called, "I Love You, Mom: Cherished Word Gifts from My Heart to Yours."

This was such a fun episode because Blythe is my literary agent and this was William's second time on the podcast after he was on in 2023 talking about his book, "You're Joking Me," a joke book for kids. I was also honored to be asked to write an endorsement for this book!

In this conversation, we reflect on the role of a father, how children can honor God while honoring their parents, and ways to show appreciation this Father's Day season.

You can purchase this book through endgamepress.com as well as Amazon and ChristianBook.com. You can connect with Blythe and Helen through ourmendedhearts.com, and Blythe is on Instagram @blythe.daniel and Blythe McIntosh Daniel on Facebook. You can follow William @thewilliamdanielauthor on Instagram and Thewilliamdaniel on Facebook.

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I'm excited to welcome back a repeat guest this week as Callie Picardo joins me to talk about the latest book she and her husband, Rosario, wrote called, "Healthy Money: A 30-Day Journey Toward Spiritual, Emotional, and Financial Freedom." Our book isn't just about financial tips; it dives into the emotional and spiritual sides of money, offering a fresh perspective on financial freedom.

Through this 30-day guided journey, "Healthy Money" challenges readers to explore their money mindset, revealing the deep-seated beliefs and emotions that influence their financial decisions. It's a tool for profound healing, aimed at transforming one's financial life from the inside out.

I also encourage you take the Healthy Money Mindset Assessment, which can help you on your journey to financial health and freedom: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/QK36T7R?fbclid=IwAR0yVzunGwI3VTJ3eGwzfKVFyrIs18lL3d313PC2OhwfBnCBYBvQI-outys

Roz and Callie were on Episode 75 where we talked about their previous book, "Money Talks: A Biblical Take on Earning, Saving, Spending, and Giving," so be sure to check that out after this one: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-75-biblical-approaches-to-managing-your-money/id1489106099?i=1000538891235

They both have a podcast together — The Better Together Podcast — which I recommend listening to along with reading their book. You can follow Callie on Instagram @callie.picardo.

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Do you ever follow someone on social media and just know you would vibe with them in real life? That's how I feel about this week's guest, Ashley Abercrombie.

We've been following each other on the internet for a year or so, and I love her content and personality so much. And after my conversation with her this week, I love her story even more, and I know you will too.

You may already be familiar with Ashley and her work as an author and speaker. She wrote Rise of the Truth Teller: Own Your Story, Tell it Like It Is, and Live with Holy Gumptionin 2019, and Love Is the Resistance: Learn to Disagree, Resolve the Conflicts You've Been Avoiding, and Create Real Change in 2021. She's contributed to a variety of outlets, like RELEVANT and Virtue, she's the creator of After Hours on Substack and a co-host on the Why Tho Podcast.

This week we talk about the right perspective on goal setting, the need for slowing down, being vulnerable, living authentically, and having tough conversations with grace. You can follow her on Instagram and Threads @ashabercrombie and online at ashabercrombie.org.

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One of my favorite parts of doing this podcast is getting to sit down with my wife every year around our anniversary and reflect on the past year of our lives. After a few years of chaos, highlighted by a December 2021 tornado that displaced us for almost nine months, this past year has been marked by a lot of blessings and far less turmoil.

We traveled to Europe, bought a house, started leading a small group at church and saw several of our friends get married and have children. We experienced professional and creative growth and made memories that will last a lifetime. I'm excited for 2024.

If you're an avid reader, I encourage you to check out my wife's bookstagram, @emsalwaysreading, where she rates and reviews the books she reads. We also recorded an episode earlier this year (Episode 96) where Emily talked about the joy of reading and gave some of her favorite recommendations.

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In late October 2019, Ryan Ahlwardt and I sat down at a library near Indianapolis, Indiana to record the first episode of this podcast. Four years later, we're still going strong.

As we've tried to do every year around the anniversary (we missed last year for some reason), Ryan and I reflected on the past year and celebrating the podcast turning another year older.

If you're new to the show, the music you hear at the beginning and end was created by Ryan, a singer/songwriter who was previously a member of the highly acclaimed a capella group "Straight No Chaser." Ryan has become a good friend, and he's got some really cool life updates that he shares in this episode, including a new single called "Alone for Christmas" that you can listen to on any streaming platform.

You can check out Ryan's music and social media at ryansongs.com.

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Do you ever just make up silly songs just for fun when you're at home alone? I feel like a lot of us do, but rarely do we ever share them with the world. Well, right out when the pandemic hit, that's what Sarah Maddack Bell started doing. Now, several of her silly songs have gone viral and she's created a social media platform where she can spread positivity and joy.Her songs are goofy and a bit annoying — her words, not mine! And that's on purpose. It's all about not taking yourself too seriously and being willing to have and just be yourself. I so appreciate Sarah's perspective on life and how she followed a feeling to pursue what felt right and fun for her. Her story is one of faithfulness in God and using the talents — as silly as they may be — for the purpose God gave her. Also, as you may imagine, with such a public social media presence and one centered around what many may perceive as "dumb" and annoying songs, she's gotten a fair share of nasty messages. We get into that and how she's dealt with rude comments from strangers as well as staying grounded despite her platform growing. Check her on Instagram and TikTok @sarahmadbell. You can also find her music on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Music.I'd love for you to connect with me by signing up for my newsletter, "The Road Ahead": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠coledouglasclaybourn.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. You can also find more of my articles and content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠coleclaybourn.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on social media:Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@coleclaybourn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@ColeClaybourn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Also find me on Facebook at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/ColeDouglasClaybourn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/in-no-hurry/message

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A lot of us are burnt out. If you aren't feeling it now, you surely have at some point and probably will in the future. The COVID-19 pandemic and 2020 left all of us feeling all sorts of ways, and I'm willing to guess burnout and weariness were just a couple of the emotions you dealt with.

That was certainly the case for this week's guest, author Dai Hankey, who was asked by his publisher to write a book encouraging Christians not to quit. But this came during the pandemic, when he himself was in a bad season and just felt like quitting a lot of things. He was exhausted in every way and everything seemed bleak around him.

In October 2020, there was a moment when he found himself flat on his back in his bedroom thinking he was just done and didn't have much left in the tank. He wasn't suicidal, he said, but just kind of feeling like he was done with life.

The perspective he eventually gained by journaling and spending time with the Lord is what's in his new book, "Hopeward: Gospel Grace for Weary Souls." Dai is a church-planting pastor in Cardiff, Wales, and is also the founder of Red Community, a Christian charity that fights human trafficking. He's devoted his whole life to teaching the Word of God, which I think is what makes this book and this conversation so special.

I think sometimes as Christians we might feel shame for feeling some of the emotions he speaks about, but all Dai was trying to do was be his authentic self, both before the Lord and in this book to his readers. I think that comes out through this conversation. It's a perfect follow-up to last week's conversation with Adam Ramsey, which I recommend downloading if you haven't yet.

If you want to connect with Dai, you can do so on Twitter @daihankey or by email at daihankey@gmail.com. You can purchase "Hopeward" anywhere books are sold, but I'm also giving away a free copy of Dai's it to someone who is a part of my Instagram and Substack communities. If you're interested in winning this giveaway, make sure you're following me on both. Links are below.

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We live in a world that tells us that doing more and staying busy are hallmarks of success. Having down time or relaxing is sometimes perceived as possessing a poor work ethic or being lazy. Most of us feel like we have to fill our schedules with work — sometimes multiple jobs — to keep up with the rat race of "moving up" in the world.

For many Millennials and Gen Zers, it's a palpable feeling of not being able to break through the glass ceiling of the current economic and financial state to achieve some of life's milestones: getting married, having children and buying a house. We are weary. We need rest. Yet we are always looking forward, ready to do the next thing to keep up on the hamster wheel.

So how do we stay present? Adam Ramsey's book, "Faithfully Present: Embracing the Limits of Where and When God Has You," is the perfect guide for how to do that. Adam joins the show this week to talk about his book and drops so much wisdom on contentment, fighting hustle culture and being present. You can connect with Adam on Instagram @adamramsey_.

I'm giving away a free copy of Adam's book for those who are part of my Instagram and Substack community. If you're interested in winning this giveaway, make sure you're following me on both. Links are below.

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“Receive the Holy Spirit,” Jesus said to his disciples in John 20:22. Yet, for many Christians, the Holy Spirit can feel like a mystery. How do we hear it? How do we receive it? How do we discern what it's telling us and what our spiritual gifts are? How do we know that what we hear is from God and not our own internal desires?

This week on "In No Hurry," author Dan Wilt unpacks all of that as he shares about his 70-day devotional, "Receive the Holy Spirit." The devotional is a journey through the Scriptures, exploring the person and work of the Holy Spirit. Through stories, encouragement, prayers, and questions for group discussion, this book is great for Christians who want to experience God’s Spirit at work in their lives.

Dan is an author of several books, a worship leader, a teacher, and an encourager of pastors and creative leaders. He has impacted thousands over his three decades in ministry, across diverse streams of the Church in the US, UK, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, and Brazil. He recently completed a doctoral studies program at Asbury Theological Seminary and works with Seedbed, a resourcing network that has the mission to “gather, connect, and resource the people of God to sow for a great awakening.”

He lives with his wife Anita outside of Nashville, Tennessee, and they have three grown children. You can connect with Dan's weekly spiritual formation email at at danwilt.com.

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For the last four decades, Dr. Steve Seamands has been a staple at Asbury University. As a student in the 1970s, he was part of what became a well-known and still-talked-about student-led revival. Now, as a retired professor at the seminary, he got to experience another revival on campus when, in February, a student chapel service just kept going on for weeks.

In total, the revival, or "outpouring" as some called it, lasted 16 days and drew thousands of people from across the United States and overseas. He joins me this week to share about both experiences and the fruit he's already seeing from the latest one in February.

He's also the author of a forthcoming book, "Follow the Healer: Biblical and Theological Foundations for Healing Ministry," which addresses some misconceptions on and further explains healing ministry. He spokes so eloquently about the character of God and provides some theological perspective on how we can understand pain and suffering or why some healing we pray for doesn't happen.

"I have become convinced of the goodness of Jesus and the character of God," he says. "Even when I can't trace His hand, I still trust His heart."

The book will be released on Sept. 5 and can be purchased anywhere books are sold. If you'd like to connect with Dr. Seamands, you can email him at steve.seamands@asburyseminary.edu.

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No matter how hard the tug might be to pursue a creative passion, jumping all in to do it can be scary. It's especially challenging when it requires leaving a steady career with good income for what might feel like an unknown future. But that's what Benecia Ponder did when, in 2006, she closed down her private law practice to write books and coach other aspiring authors to unlock their stories and see their book dreams become a reality. She's now the brains behind Inspirational Authors, which helps guide authors through writing, self-publishing and marketing their book. You can learn more about Benecia and the services she provides at www.inspirationalauthors.org. I'd love for you to connect with me by signing up for my newsletter, "The Road Ahead": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠coledouglasclaybourn.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. You can also find more of my articles and content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠coleclaybourn.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on social media:

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Paul Putz serves as the assistant director of the Faith & Sports Institute, part of the Truett Seminary at Baylor University. Though Paul and I connected previously through social media, we met in person at a conference in June in Minneapolis and found out we have quite a bit in common, mainly our passion for Jesus and sports.

If you're a Christian who likes sports, you'll especially enjoy this conversation. Earlier in 2023, Paul gave a chapel talk called "Jesus and James Naismith," where he explored the Christian roots of basketball. In our conversation this week, he shares a little bit about that history and the Christian origin of one of the world's most popular games.

Even if you don't like sports, stick around for Paul discuss how he followed his passions to end up where he is now professionally as well as how he goes about his research and writing.

Speaking of his writing, he's writing a book about the history of sports and Christianity in modern American culture, which should be published in late 2024 or early 2025. Paul is pretty active on Twitter, so give him a follow @p_emory, or on Threads @paulemoryputz. You can also email him at Paul_Putz@baylor.edu.

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Scott Linebrink played 12 seasons in the major leagues — a long career in professional sports by any measure. After a successful college baseball career at Texas State University, Linebrink was drafted by the San Francisco Giants in 1997, and after three years in the minor leagues, he made his major league debut with the team in 2000. He was then traded later during his rookie season to the Houston Astros, where he bounced between the major and minor leagues for several years — a true test of faith and patience for any baseball player.

In this week's episode, Scott shares what he learned about patience, both during the early parts of his career and toward the end. I love the perspective he holds, because it also involves a mindset of celebrating others, even when those on his team were the same people he was competing against in some way to make it to or stay in the major leagues.

It all came from a heart of serving others, and that's what he's continued to do in his post-baseball life with Water Mission, a nonprofit organization aimed at providing clean water to underprivileged countries. Scott has some amazing stories from his many trips abroad with Water Mission, and he's shared many of those on his podcast, "Get in the Game," which is part of the Sports Spectrum Podcast Network. He often has fellow athletes on the show who have traveled with him on trips and they talk about the incredible work being done to provide the basic need of clean water to people who don't have access to it.

I admired Scott as a baseball player, but I admire him even more with how he's used his platform to help serve people and share his faith in God. Be sure to check out his show and support Water Mission's work if you can. If you want to connect with Scott, you can follow him on both Twitter and Instagram @scottlinebrink.

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I don't know anyone who reads more books than my wife, Emily. Seriously. In 2022 she read over 130 books! It's truly a joy for her to escape into a story and let her imagination run wild as she imagines these characters. A couple years ago, she started an Instagram account where she rates and reviews books and it's become a huge creative outlet for her, as well as a place to find community with other like-minded readers. She's gotten to meet some people who she considers friends and it's allowed her to have a ton of runway to talk about these books that she really loves. As we enter the heart of summer, we thought it would be fun for Emily to talk about some of her favorite books for 2023 and give some recommendations for summer reading. She's been on the podcast before, but this is probably the most excited she's ever been to be on. If you're a voracious reader, this episode is for you. If you have people in your life who love books, be sure to share this with them. Also, please give Emily's bookstagram a follow — @emsalwaysreading. She does such a great job on there and it's been really fun to see that outlet grow. I'd love for you to connect with me by signing up for my newsletter, "The Road Ahead": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠coledouglasclaybourn.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. You can also find more of my articles and content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠coleclaybourn.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on social media:

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Sports fans are passionate people. Sometimes, we take it a little too far and let our emotions get the best of us. Our team loses a big game or doesn't play well and we can let it affect our mood for days, weeks or even much longer.

But as believers, how we conduct ourselves matters, even when it comes to seemingly trivial things like sports. If we're someone who likes to engage in public discourse on social media, what we say matters. That's especially true for believers and those who strike to be ambassadors for Christ.

This week I'm joined by Jason Romano, the director of media at Christian sports outlet Sports Spectrum and the host of the Sports Spectrum Podcast. Jason shares some stories of where his sports fandom affected his behavior and how he had to put that in check. But this goes a little deeper, too, because as sports fans we are prone to letting our fandom become our identity. It's easy to over indulge and devote more time to sports than to our relationship with our spouse, friends or Jesus.

Sports are a great hobby, but keeping them in their proper place and maintaining perspective when our team loses is paramount. That's the topic of our conversation this week.

Be sure to connect with Jason on Twitter @JasonRomano and check out sportsspectrum.com for stories on the intersection of sports and faith. Use the code SPORTSSPECTRUM15 to get 15% off of a subscription to Sports Spectrum Magazine.

Jason also mentions the Christians Working in Sports Conference coming up June 23-24 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. He and I will both be there, and you can DM him on social media to receive 50% off of the conference fee.

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If you enjoyed this conversation, you might like these as well:

  • ⁠Episode 94: Leah Montgomery on Working In Christian Sports Media
  • Episode 76: Coping With The Pandemic Through Sports & Faith with Sports Spectrum's Jason Romano⁠
  • ⁠Episode 35: Sports Spectrum Managing Editor Jon Ackerman

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If you read or follow Sports Spectrum, much of the branding and social media presence you see is the creation of Leah Montgomery. She is in charge of all of our social media and marketing efforts, and she also serves as our de facto staff photographer. So much of our visual presentation has her stamp all over it, and she's incredibly talented in so many ways.

Leah joins the show this week to talk about how she got into sports media, where her passion for photography came from, and she also shares about a really cool charity event she does back home in Ohio to help families in need be able to have free professional photos done around the holidays. You can learn more about that at christmasstudio.org.

I love her story and her heart for people and the Lord, and I'm excited for you to hear from her this week!

Be sure to check out sportsspectrum.com for all the work we do there, a lot of which is done by Leah, but also check out www.leah-rachel.com for some of her personal work as well as links to all her social media.

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If you enjoyed this conversation, you might like these as well:

  • Episode 76: Coping With The Pandemic Through Sports & Faith with Sports Spectrum's Jason Romano
  • Episode 35: Sports Spectrum Managing Editor Jon Ackerman
  • Episode 39: Former MLB star Matt Holliday

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The role that journalists play in our society is so vital. Not only do they inform the public, but they hold those in power accountable. As stories of church abuse and unethical behavior from Christian leaders continue to sprout up, we see just how important journalists are in brining these stories to light and so that these leaders are held accountable for the pain they've inflicted upon people. One of the leaders in Christian journalism is Christianity Today, which you may know either from visiting their website for news or by listening to the popular podcast "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill," which chronicles the Seattle-based church that crumbled almost as quickly as it grew, largely due to abuse of power from pastor Mark Driscoll.

My guest this week is Kate Shellnutt, the news and online director for Christianity Today and an influential voice in the world of Christian journalism. Kate has covered stories on sex trafficking raids in Cambodia, the aftermath of the Emanuel AME church shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, the funeral of famed evangelist Billy Graham, stories of Christian leaders gone bad and analyzing the intricacies of evangelical politics.

It was fun to talk with a fellow journalist, but I has just as much fun talking with her about baseball, as she's a huge Atlanta Braves fan.

Be sure follow Kate on Twitter @KateShellnutt and check out her work her work online at kateshellnutt.com and christianitytoday.com.

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If you enjoyed this conversation, you might like these as well:

  • Episode 81: Reading, Writing, & Thinking Well with Author Karen Swallow Prior
  • Episode 49: Faith & the Election with Journalist Adam Wren
  • Episode 43: Using Our Online Words for Good with Dan Darling

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The whole premise of the In No Hurry Podcast is to engage in conversations that intersect faith and creativity. This week not only do I get to speak with an author and artist, but the focus of our conversation is about creativity and tapping into the natural artistic gifts God has given us and wants us to share with the world.

The word "artist" is often an enigma, the definition of which might change for different people. Some people might actually be an artist but not consider themselves one based on their interpretation of the word. My guest this week is Matt Tommey, someone who, in my opinion, embodies the word "artist" perfect. He's written several books, including the recently released "God's Plan for Living: A Simple Roadmap to Your IDEAL Kingdom Life." But he also creates art through sculpting and basket weaving, and he even owned an art studio when he lived in Asheville, North Carolina.

Now, his focus has shifted some to mentoring, where his goal is to help artist and creatives thrive with the gifts God has given them. Creativity can be a frustrating and lonely endeavor. It can be a beautiful thing when done correctly, or it can be a source of torment when not stewarded well. There are tons of road blocks that inevitably appear in any creative endeavor, but being equipped with skills, strategies and truth about God and creativity can help us overcome that resistance.

That's the focus of my conversation with Matt today. That's also the focus of his podcast, The Thriving Christian Artist Podcast, which I recommend you check out. Also be sure to connect with Matt on Instagram @matttommey , Facebook at Matt Tommey Mentoring and at matttommeymentoring.com.

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If you enjoyed this conversation, you might like these as well:

  • Episode 78: Finding Rest with Author & Writer Jon Seidl
  • Episode 70: Breaking Free from the Chains of Comparison
  • Episode 47: Writing, Comparison, & Building Better Habits with Author Hannah Brencher

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While trusting in God's will for our lives is an essential part of the Christian walk, it's also one of the most difficult things we attempt to do as humans. When God tells us "no" to our prayers, we often struggle with how to respond. For many of us, it can serve as a catalyst to pull further away from God. But what if reframed how we internalize a "no" from God?

Author Blake Long explores this topic in his new s book, "Taking No For an Answer: How to Respond When God Says No to Our Prayers." I love this topic, and I think it's one that will always be timely for both Christians and non-believers. For some, this is the very reason they either don't follow God or believe God doesn't exist. After all, how can a gracious and loving God allow for heartache, devastation and tragedy? If these are questions you've wrestled with (trust me, I have — plenty of times) I hope this conversation with Blake is helpful. We dive deep into some heavy stuff and I hope you'll be encouraged and learn some truth about the character and heart of God.

Definitely connect with Blake and let him know you enjoyed hearing him this show! You can follow him on Twitter @blakelong94 and on Instagram @blake_long94. He also blogs regularly at www.theology-and-life.com, so be sure to check out his work there.

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If you enjoyed this conversation, you might like these as well:

  • Episode 74: Building a Confident & Consistent Prayer Life with Author Val Woerner
  • Episode 50: Building Better Prayer Habits with Author Val Woerner
  • Episode 18: Doubt & Unbelief with Author Barnabas Piper

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The last few years have been really hard for everyone. I don't know about you, but I've very much appreciated the times I've been able to laugh. Humor and laughter have some serious healing powers, and this week, my guest knows all about how to make people laugh.

William Daniel joins me to talk about his new book, "You're Joking Me: Jokes For Kids By a Kid." The book contains over 100 pages of clean, clever and punny jokes that William spent nearly two years writing. He's just a seventh grader, which makes him the youngest guest to ever appear on the show! We talked all about being an author, balancing writing with school work and other hobbies, and why humor and laughter are so important.

I'm so impressed by William! When I was his age, I did well just to construct a coherent AIM Away Message, but here he is writing a whole book with a second one in the works. Be sure to check out his book and give him a follow on Instagram @thewilliamdanielauthor and on Facebook at Thewilliamdaniel.

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If you enjoyed this conversation, you might like these as well:

  • Episode 69: Navigating the Pandemic Through Comedy with Kerri Pomarolli
  • Episode 7: Brad Ellis of Ghostrunners Podcast
  • Episode 3: Taking Risks & Making People Laugh with Jake Triplett

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Walking into church can be intimidating, whether for the first time or after a period of absence, whether you are a non-believer or a believer. And as much as we'd like it to be, the church is not always a place where everyone feels welcome. Sometimes, it's not a space where everyone feels like they belong.

Jen Oshman joins me this week to talk about her new book, "Welcome: Loving Your Church by Making Space for Everyone," which is part of the Love Your Church book series. This conversation pairs well with the previous one with author and pastor Barnabas Piper, who wrote the book, "Belong," which is also part of this book series, commissioned by the Acts 29 church planting organization. This book explores what the Bible says to help readers discover how to make space for others, however different they are to them, in their church and in their lives.

We also talked about getting out of comfort zones or cliquey mindsets to practice radical hospitality to make sure people feel like they are welcome at church.

Jen is an author, missionary, pastor’s wife, blogger, and the host on the All Things Podcast. You can check out more of her work at jenoshman.com.

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Being in community with people is one of the strongest desires we feel as humans. As adults, finding that community can be a challenge, but the church can be a great place to look.

A new book by Barnabas Piper, "Belong," seeks to equip churches and churchgoers about how to best cultivate a sense of belonging within the context of a church family. Barnabas joins me this week to talk about his new book and the ideas inside of it. This is one of the first books in the new Love Your Church series, which is being written by a collection of Bible teachers from Acts29, a church planting network.

“We are looking for something personal, something deeply meaningful, something with which we can identify," Barnabas writes in the first chapter of the book. "And this book is an invitation to find that in the church, because God wants us to …Part of God’s perfect strategy is offering hurting, tired, worn out, needy sinners like you and me a place to belong in … A place in which to encounter the profound, transformative, healing, restoring grace of Jesus Christ.”

This is the third time Barnabas has been a guest on the show, and I always appreciate his perspective on a number of topics. If you're interested in hearing more, you can check out The Happy Rant Podcast, where Barnabas is a co-host, as well as the Happy Rant Podcast book, which he and his co-hosts wrote. In both the podcast and the book, Piper and the others touch on a wide variety of topics that fall under the purview of Christian and church culture, and they bring a good mixture of wit and humor to the table. Barnabas and I talk about that book as well and the heart behind it.

You can connect with Barnabas and learn more about his other books at barnabaspiper.com.

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You can check out my previous conversations with Barnabas below:

  • Episode 48: So You Want to Write a Book?
  • Episode 18: Doubt & Unbelief with Author Barnabas Piper

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As we've done the past few years on our wedding anniversary, this week my wife Emily and I share a conversation reflecting on the past year of our marriage. This was probably the most challenging year of our marriage, but in many ways it became the most refining. I've talked about it briefly in the few episodes I've done this year, but our lives were in a constant state of chaos this past year. A tornado hit our home on December 11, 2021, and we were displaced for almost nine months. That was just the beginning of what was pretty much just a long series of unfortunate events that significantly interrupted our lives. I wrote about most of it earlier this year. You can read that article on my website at coleclaybourn.com.

We had a lot of people help us navigate this past year — financially, physically, emotionally, and certainly spiritually. We lived most of this year without a lot of stuff, in an unnatural environment, and with a lot of inconveniences. But at the risk of being cheesy, we really did learn what truly matters. There's much to be grateful for and lots to be excited about as we look ahead to 2023.

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You can check out our previous anniversary conversations below:

  • Episode 79: Lessons From Our Fourth Year of Marriage
  • Episode 57: Love, Marriage, & Surviving 2020
  • Episode 6: Lessons From Two Years of Marriage

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Laughter has been some of the best medicine for me over the past couple of years. One of the best sources, at times, has been TikTok, and one of the best accounts I've come across is that of Josh Benson — better known as @joshbensontherapper. While the rapping has taken a back seat for him in recent years, his comedy skits have taken off. He now has over 411,000 followers on the app.

Comedy can be a disarming way of entering into conversations about difficult topics, and that's what Josh does well, bringing awareness to some very real issues surrounding Christian culture and the Church. While I knew we would talk about comedy, his creative process and where his ideas come from, this conversation actually got pretty deep. We talk about what advice we would give to Christian creators who might deal with comparison and how to make sure your platform and message are always pointing toward God. We also waded into the waters of faith deconstruction and he shares how he handles sensitive topics and dealing with criticism.

Josh and another creator also sell some merch under the brand "Church Chad," which is a character you'll hear about in this conversation. You can check out their merch at churchchad.com.

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While society has come a long way in embracing women as leaders, we still have a ways to go. That's especially true in the Church, where female pastors are few and far between and the path to leadership positions is often rockier and more treacherous for women than it is for men. And when women do make it to the top and are in leadership positions, the support structure, respect from subordinates and perceptions of their personality are often far different than they are for their male counterparts.

Carolyn Moore is hoping to change that narrative, or at least spark a conversation that moves the needle in that direction. The founding pastor of Mosaic Church in Evans, Georgia, Moore is also the author of a newly released book, "When Women Lead: Embrace Your Authority, Move Beyond Barriers, and Find Joy in Leading Others."

This week on the podcast, she shares her heart behind the book and her heart for seeing everyone — both male and female — get to enter into situations where they are able to respond to the calling God has put on their heart to lead, free of any barriers. In both her book and this conversation, she shares what some of those barriers are, what some potential causes are and how to break them down. This is a conversation both men and women need to hear.

Moore has an MDiv and Doctor of Ministry from Asbury Theological Seminary with a focus on church planting. She co-hosts a podcast and writes on topics of

holiness, healing, supernatural ministry, and Wesleyan theology at artofholiness.com.

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Relationships are hard, and sometimes they can be especially challenging to navigate in the workplace. Chances are you've worked with a person or two that, for whatever reason, were just hard to jive with. Maybe you've been passed over for a promotion or to be the lead on a project and that's made it hard to work with others. Whatever the reason is, it can be an awkward thing.

But that's the topic this week as Dr. Jennifer Thomas joins the show to discuss her book, "Making Things Right at Work: Increase Teamwork, Resolve Conflict, and Build Trust," which she co-authored with Gary Chapman — author of The Five Love Languages — and Dr. Paul White. Thomas is an author, a TEDx speaker, and a clinical and community psychologist. She's also an expert on apology, having co-authored "The 5 Apology Languages" with Chapman.

There are so many practical takeaways from this conversation, from dealing with bitterness, envy, and comparison to simply being able to apologize and communicate effectively. What's your biggest takeaway from this conversation? Let us know in a review on Apple Podcasts!

You can find more on Dr. Thomas, including her other works and social media channels, at her website drjenniferthomas.com.

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Scott LaPierre is a pastor, writer, Army veteran, husband and the author of Your Marriage God's Way: A Biblical Guide to a Christ-Centered Relationship. He's also the father of nine kids!

After college, Scott served as an officer in the Army. Once he left the military, he started teaching elementary school and that's where he became a Christian. He thought he would be a school teacher and coach the rest of his life, but then he found his passion for teaching decreasing and his passion for ministry increasing.

"I kind of wanted to tell people to open their Bibles versus telling kids to open their math books," he says in this episode.

He transitioned into a part-time ministry position while teaching before the church hired him full-time. In 2010, he and his wife founded Woodland Christian Church in southwest Washington where he's been the teaching pastor since.

He's also the author of six other books, and his wife Katie has a couple to her name as well. You can check their books, and accompanying workbooks, at www.scottlapierre.org/books/. There you can also find links to Scott's podcast, Living God's Way, and his social media accounts.

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I love Myron Rolle's story, and I'm so excited for you to hear it this week. Sports fans will remember him as a college football star at Florida State and for his time playing in the NFL. But while he was excelling on the football field, he was also cultivating an eventual career as a neurosurgeon.

After being recruited out of high school by just about ever major college football program in the country, Rolle attended Florida State where he became a First Team Freshman All-American, the Atlantic Coast Conference Defensive Rookie of the Year, and eventually a Third Team All-American. He ultimate chose Florida State because it was the place that best fit his plan to not only play football, but also become a Rhodes Scholar and study neuroscience.

He was projected to be a first round draft pick after his college career was over, but that same year he was awarded the Rhodes Scholarship and the chance to study at Oxford for a year. He faced a decision — take about $9 million in a signing bonus as a first round pick and start his NFL career, or take a year away from football to follow his heart and study at Oxford on the Rhodes Scholarship.

In this conversation, he discusses how he navigated that season of life and how he ultimately decided what to do. This decision, like everything else in his life, was guided by his faith in Jesus. He also details this story in his new book, The 2% Way: How a Philosophy of Small Improvements Took Me to Oxford, the NFL, and Neurosurgery. "The 2% Way" was a mantra he learned from a college coach, and he talks about how these small improvements can lead to big things.

If you've ever struggled with comparison, imposter syndrome, or just a general feeling that you're moving too slow toward your goals, this conversation is for you.

You can connect with Dr. Rolle on Twitter @MyronRolle and on Instagram @myronrolle.

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Karen Swallow Prior, Ph. D., is a Research Professor of English and Christianity and Culture at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and the author of a number of books. Some of her work includes: Booked: Literature in the Soul of Me (T. S. Poetry Press, 2012), Fierce Convictions: The Extraordinary Life of Hannah More—Poet, Reformer, Abolitionist (Thomas Nelson, 2014), and On Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books (Brazos, 2018).

She is an avid reader, a fierce proponent of critical thinking, and an advocate for good writing. On this episode, we dive deep into what it means to truly read and write well, how to deal with distraction and resistance in writing, and how to communicate most effectively.

If you love words and a nerdy conversation, you're going to really enjoy hearing from KSP!

Be sure to give her a follow and let her know you enjoyed hearing her on this podcast: @KSPrior on Twitter and @karenswallowprior on Instagram. Also make sure you check out her website karenswallowprior.com for more info on her books and other work.

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If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

  • Episode 48: So You Want to Write a Book? (with Author Barnabas Piper)
  • Episode 47: Writing, Comparison, & Building Better Habits with Author Hannah Brencher
  • Episode 43: Using Our Online Words for Good with Dan Darling

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It's hard enough to play in the NFL. Imagine having a whole other career on the side while doing it.

That's what Matt Overton does as both the long snapper for the Los Angeles Chargers and as a real estate agent with clients in both Indianapolis and Nashville. A nine-year NFL veteran, Overton has bounced around with a few teams, spending most of his career with the Indianapolis Colts, where he was a Pro Bowl selection in 2013.

During his career, he's spent a lot of seasons as a free agent, not sure if he'd get the chance to keep playing. He took the entire 2019 season off when no calls came in, and he used that time to finish his schooling become a real estate agent. But all the while, he kept working out and preparing as if a call would come. You don't have to get ready if you stay ready, he said.

Out of that motto birthed his brand, "Stay Ready," which serves as both a motivation to him and others but also a chance for him to reflect on and share his faith in Jesus. He's got a great story and a great perspective on how he lets God use him and his platform. You can check his merchandise out at mattovertonbrand.com and give him a follow on Twitter @MattOverton_LS, where he's a super encouraging person to follow.

If you want to know more about Matt's story, you can check out a couple of stories I wrote on him for Sports Spectrum last year.

It's Super Bowl week, though, so we couldn't let him get out of here without giving up some analysis on the game. Be sure to stick around for his prediction!

I'd love for you to connect with me by visiting my website, coleclaybourn.com, and signing up for my newsletter. You can also find me on social media:

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If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

—Episode 44: Finding True Happiness with Derwin Gray

— Episode 20: ESPN Football Analyst Dan Orlovsky

— Episode 4: WKU Football Coach Tyson Helton


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As we've done the past few years on our anniversary, this week my wife Emily and I share a conversation reflecting on the past year of our marriage. Much of this conversation focuses on the past couple of weeks, which have been marked by us navigating life after being displaced from a tornado that hit our home in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Our region and our state is still grieving and recovering from the devastating tornadoes that ravaged the western part of Kentucky on December 10 and 11. I was honored to be asked by the Washington Post to share my story of that night, and you can read that here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/16/surviving-terror-tragedy-kentucky-thanks-spirit-our-neighbors/

We talked about quite a bit in this conversation, but we did spend quite a bit of time talking about trauma and how spouses can help each other navigate it. Emily is a mental health therapist with a Master's degree in Marriage and Family Therapy, so she is legitimately a perfect person to speak to his. We also shared some of our biggest joys of the past year and spent quite a bit of time talking about budgeting and what has worked for us and how we've been been able to pay down a significant portion of our debt this year.

I'd love for you to connect with me by visiting my website, coleclaybourn.com, and signing up for my newsletter. You can also find me on social media:

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  • Also find me on Facebook at facebook.com/ColeDouglasClaybourn

If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

Episode 66: Seeking God First In the Highs & Lows of Marriage with Doug & Christi Claybourn

Episode 57: Love, Marriage, & Surviving 2020 — Emily & Cole Claybourn

Episode 6: Lessons From Two Years of Marriage with My Wife Emily Claybourn


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Jon Seidl is the author of a recently-released book titled, "Finding Rest: A Survivor's Guide to Navigating the Valleys of Anxiety, Faith, and Life," and I'm excited for you to hear his heart behind this book. Jon has personally battled crippling anxiety, life-altering OCD, and suicidal thoughts, and this book is a practical guide for how to navigate those emotions, both through faith in God and modern medicine practices.

You can check out Jon's work at jonseidl.com and follow him on Twitter (@jonseidl) and Instagram (@jonseidl).

I'd also love for you to connect with me by visiting my website, coleclaybourn.com, and signing up for my newsletter. You can also find me on social media:

  • Instagram: @coleclaybourn
  • Twitter: @ColeClaybourn
  • Also find me on Facebook at facebook.com/ColeDouglasClaybourn

If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

  • Episode 73: Prioritizing Mental Health with Author & Counselor Debra Fileta
  • Episode 47: Writing, Comparison, & Building Better Habits with Author Hannah Brencher
  • Episode 42: Building Hope Amid Depression with Author Ben Courson

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What an honor it is this week to celebrate two years since the In No Hurry Podcast launched! This has been such a fun creative outlet for me, and I am grateful for everyone who has listened along the way. If you've been around since the beginning, I want to give an extra special shout out to you! You're a real one.

This week I get to welcome back my good friend Ryan Ahlwardt, who not only is the artist behind the show's theme music, but he was also my very first guest way back in November 2019. He also joined me last year as we celebrated the podcast's first year of existence. Every time we talk, it's such a life-giving conversation, and I'm so grateful for his friendship support of the show. When we talk, we really get to the heart of what this show is all about — the intersection of faith and creativity.

Ryan has been making music for most of his life, and most notably was a member of the popular a capella group Straight No Chaser. He has since left to pursue other ventures, as we've covered in previous conversation, and has added even more to his plate since we last talked. He and his former SNC band mate and high school friend Mike Luginbill started their own side music project called Small Town City, he released his own 90s cover album this year, and he recently became a co-host for IndyNow, a morning lifestyle show on Fox 59 in Indianapolis. He has also gotten some really cool opportunities in the world of voiceover work, as you'll hear him talk about in this conversation.

You can connect with Ryan and find all his music and other work at ryansongs.com. Thanks so much for checking out this episode, and thanks for your support of this show over the last two years!

I'd love for you to connect with me by visiting my website, coleclaybourn.com, and signing up for my newsletter. You can also find me on social media:

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  • Also find me on Facebook at facebook.com/ColeDouglasClaybourn

If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

Episode 70: Breaking Free from the Chains of Comparison

Episode 58: Navigating the Emotions of 2020

Episode 52: Podcast Birthday Party with Ryan Ahlwardt!

Episode 1: Singer/Songwriter Ryan Ahlwardt


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Navigating the pandemic has been hard for all of us. When sports came back, they provided a nice reprieve from the heartache all around us. But it was still strange to watch games with no fans in the stands and the electric atmospheres we're used to be absent from the stadiums. It's been a lot to process.

This week, I'm excited to welcome back Jason Romano to the podcast. Jason was on Episode 10 of the show in early 2020, and quite a bit has happened since that time. Jason's here to help process it, as well as share some thoughts on forgiveness that he included in his book "Live to Forgive."

Jason is my boss at Sports Spectrum and he hosts our flagship podcast, "Sports Spectrum," which I highly recommend checking out and subscribing to. Jason also published a book last summer called "The Uniform of Leadership," which consists of stories from his days working as a producer at ESPN.

Connect with Jason:

  • Visit Jason's website
  • Order "Live to Forgive"or "The Uniform of Leadership"here
  • Check out the Sports Spectrum Podcast
  • Follow Jason on Instagram or Twitter

I'd also love for you to connect with me by visiting my website, coleclaybourn.com, and signing up for my newsletter. You can also find me on social media:

  • Instagram: @coleclaybourn
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  • Also find me on Facebook at facebook.com/ColeDouglasClaybourn

If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

  • Episode 39: Former MLB star Matt Holliday
  • Episode 10: Jason Romano of Sports Spectrum
  • Episode 9: Creative Living with Writer Stephen Copeland

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Having a conversation about money is hard. Author, pastor, and coach Rosario Picardo and his wife, Callie — a financial coach and seasoned fundraising professional — are here to help. Their book, Money Talks: A Biblical Take on Earning, Saving, Spending, and Giving, is a roadmap for readers on what God has to say about all things finances in a world where we often let money talk louder than every other voice in our life.

It's all about the ways money "talks" to us contrasted with what God has to say about things like earning, saving, spending, and giving. This conversational is full of practical tips to breakdown the barrier of talking about and coming up with a plan for being intentional with our money. As we head into the holiday season where it's easy to spend a lot of money, this conversation comes at a good time.

Roz and Callie have a podcast together — The Better Together Podcast — which I recommend checking out along with their book.

Give Roz and Callie a follow on Instagram:

  • Roz: @rpicardo
  • Callie: @callie.picardo

I'd also love for you to connect with me by visiting my website, coleclaybourn.com, and signing up for my newsletter. You can also find me on social media:

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  • Also find me on Facebook at facebook.com/ColeDouglasClaybourn

If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

  • Episode 71: The Challenge of Self-Control with Author Drew Dyck
  • Episode 45: Young Adults & the Church with Josiah Kennealy
  • Episode 21: Finding More Money with Author Art Rainer

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I'm so excited to welcome back Val Woerner to the show this week! Val was the guest on Episode 50, where we talked a lot about building better prayer habits and specifically her book Springboard Prayers. We're back this week talking all about prayer again, which is good because I consider Val one of my go-to people when it comes to prayer.

She creates the super practical and functional prayer journals my wife and I use (she has some for men as well), and all of her writing is centered around prayer and how to help make prayer the priority it needs to be in our life. She has a new book coming out on October 12 called Pray Confidently & Consistently, and I'm so excited for you to hear our conversation about prayer and her new book.

Make sure you give Val a follow @valmariepaper on Instagram and Twitter and let her know you enjoyed hearing her on this episode!

I'd also love for you to connect with me by visiting my website, coleclaybourn.com, and signing up for my newsletter. You can also find me on social media:

  • Instagram: @coleclaybourn
  • Twitter: @ColeClaybourn
  • Also find me on Facebook at facebook.com/ColeDouglasClaybourn

If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

  • Episode 50: Building Better Prayer Habits with Val Woerner
  • Episode 47: Writing, Comparison, & Building Better Habits with Author Hannah Brencher
  • Episode 44: Finding True Happiness with Pastor Derwin Gray

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My guess is this past year or so has been a struggle for you just like it has for me. Between the pandemic, job changes, and everything else going on in the world, I know my mental health has seen its share of ebbs and flows. I'm not always the best at prioritizing the need to tend to my mental health. That's why I was fortunate to speak with Debra Fileta, an author, speaker, and licensed professional counselor.

Debra is the author of "Are You Really OK?: Getting Real About Who You Are, How You’re Doing, and Why It Matters," which was released in May, and she shares some insights and practical steps she wrote about in the book for how we can be intentional about our mental health. She also shares how to identify and address the roots of stress and what might be causing other issues. I really appreciated how she talked about how healing is holistic, and how our mental health is connected to our physical, spiritual, and emotional health as well.

I hope you're encouraged and inspired by this conversation with Debra. You can connect with her and find her work by visiting her website, truelovedates.com, as well as on social media:

  • Instagram: @debrafileta
  • Twitter: @DebFileta

I'd also love for you to connect with me by visiting my website, coleclaybourn.com, and signing up for my newsletter. You can also find me on social media:

  • Instagram: @coleclaybourn
  • Twitter: @ColeClaybourn
  • Also find me on Facebook at facebook.com/ColeDouglasClaybourn

If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy these as well:

  • Episode 71: The Challenge of Self-Control with Author Drew Dyck
  • Episode 70: Breaking Free from the Chains of Comparison
  • Episode 57: Love, Marriage, & Surviving 2020
  • Episode 42: Building Hope Amid Depression with Author Ben Courson

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We are back!

It is so great to be launching a new season of In No Hurry after a few months off to focus on some writing projects. I'm excited to kick this new season off with an awesome couple, Todd and Brooke Tilghman. Todd was the winner of Season 18 of The Voice, and he and Brooke have since written a book, "Every Little Win: How Celebrating Small Victories Can Lead to Big Joy."

These two are super fun people and you'll enjoy hearing them share their memories of being on The Voice — where Todd got a four-chair turn from all of the coaches and eventually picked Blake Shelton — as well as the lessons they've learned in marriage and from raising eight children. They're just two genuine people who have stayed true to who they are no matter what life has brought them.

You can find all the info on their new book as well as how to connect with them here: https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/every-little-win/

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*NOTE: This podcast will be moving from a weekly show to an every-other-week show, at least for the foreseeable future. I talk a little bit more about that toward the end of the show, but that's just what makes the most sense for me right now. Thanks for tuning in to the show!


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Why do we struggle so much with controlling our urges? What does it mean to have self-control? What do the Bible and those who study brain science have to say about it?

Drew Dyck wrote a book exploring all of that. It's called "Your Future Self Will Thank You," and it was the In No Hurry Podcast Book of the Month. As we close out Lent season, it felt like the perfect book to read.

This conversation is a recording of my Instagram Live chat with Drew. For all Book of the Month interviews with the author, be sure to join us live on Instagram when we do them toward the end of each month. You can find out about them by following me on Instagram @coleclaybourn.

I really enjoyed talking with Drew about this book, and I think you'll enjoy his wisdom and humor in this conversation. Be sure to give him a follow on Twitter @drewdyck and on Instagram @drewndyck. Also check out his website — drewdyck.com.

PROGRAMMING NOTE:

As mentioned on the show, this will be the last episode for Season 2. I'm going to take a pause until later on in the summer as I take some time to focus on my writing. With that, I'm so thrilled to announce that I was accepted to participate in Lysa TerKeurst's Book Proposal Bootcamp — an exciting and rare opportunity for me in my journey of writing a book!

You'll hear me talk plenty about the program in the intro, and a major part of that is the cost. I have set up a GoFundMe to help fund my spot in this program, and I am prayerfully asking that you will consider supporting me — both financially and through prayer! You can visit the page here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/coles-book-proposal-bootcamp-fund


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I don't know if it's because we've spent most of the past year on our phones and away from our normal communities, but it seems like I'm seeing more people than usual open up about their struggles with comparison. As you know, I'm no stranger to that struggle and many conversations on this show have focused on it.

This week I wanted to share some thoughts I've had on my heart lately about my own struggles with comparison, but more specifically how I've begun to find rest from the exhausting race of comparison.

Why spend any of that precious time chasing after what others have instead of enjoying what God has already given you?

When we begin to rewire our brain and our hearts to be in line with this, it actually becomes the most freeing thing in the world. We no longer have to worry. We don’t have to run. We no longer have to be caught up in the rat race of comparison. We don’t have to exhaust ourselves.

Instead, we can rest in the fact that God created us out of love to be great in the way He designed us to be great and use that greatness to bless others.

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We've been going through a devotional series on my newsletter focused on comparison. If you haven't already subscribed, I'd love for you to be a part of that so you don't miss any future newsletters. You can sign up here.

I'd love for you to connect with me on social media as well. I'm @coleclaybourn on both Instagram and Twitter and those are probably the best places to catch me.

In this episode, I referenced two articles from Psychology Today. You can read those below:

-The Perils of Comparing Ourselves to Others: https://bit.ly/3slQZTK

-Social Media and the Rising Trend of Cosmetic Surgery: https://bit.ly/3lDknm1


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It just feels good to laugh sometimes, doesn't it? Especially after the year we've all gone through.

Making people laugh is what Kerri Pomarolli does best, and I'm excited to welcome her on my show this week. Kerri is a Los Angeles-based comedian who performs clean comedy and shares the gospel during her shows. In this conversation we discussed what it's like to be a Christian entertainer in a city like Hollywood, how she is able to differentiate herself in a tough industry, how she fights the battle of comparison, and why we need to laugh often.

We recorded this conversation back in December, which allowed us to have a post-mortem perspective on 2020 as the year came to an end, and I appreciated her thoughts on how she was able to navigate a tough year and the pandemic season.

Kerri is the author of Confessions of a Proverbs 32 Woman: How I Went From Messed Up to Blessed Up Without Changing a Single Thing, which looks at how entertainers, especially Christian entertainers, struggle with the pressures to keep up with the seemingly impossible standards of Hollywood. She also penned a 60-day devotional called She Rises Late and Her Kids Make Her Breakfastgeared toward time-crunched women longing for God.

She is one of the most sought-after clean comedians in Los Angeles and has worked with everyone from Jay Leno, Jim Carrey, Sherri Shepherd, Carol Channing, and Jerry Lewis. She's been featured on The Tonight Show 29 times, Comedy Central, ABC and more. She is a popular TV host, actor, celebrity correspondent (Showbiz Tonight), and currently writing films for the Hallmark Channel.

You can find out more about her and check out her work at her website kerripom.com.


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We all want to know what our calling is in life. Many people search for years to try and decipher what their calling is.

Our calling can indeed change in different seasons of our life, but whatever it is we're being called to do, discerning God's will is often the toughest part.

That's the topic of my conversation this week with Marsha DuCille, founder and editorial director of CALLED Magazine, the largest North American-based publication for Christian women. She is also the author of two 52-week devotionals focused on finding our calling — "CALLED to Inspire" and "CALLED to Pray," which just came out in February.

I hope this conversation will inspire you to pursue what God has planned for your future. We also talked about how fear and comparison can completely jack up our pursuit of God's calling for our lives and how the enemy will use those to make us feel unqualified and unworthy of what God has called us to do.

Definitely make sure you check out CALLED Magazine and Marsha's two devotionals for more content on finding your calling. You can also follow CALLED Worldwide on Instagram @calledworldwide.

You can connect with me and subscribe to my weekly devotional newsletter on my website coleclaybourn.com.


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I'm happy to joined on this bonus episode by Jackie Bledsoe, author of "The 7 Rings of Marriage," which was the In No Hurry Podcast Book of the Month for February.

This book is full of practical advice and steps that couples can take to help improve their marriage.

If you've missed any of our conversations during February with couples as we talked about marriage, I definitely recommend going back and checking those out.

-Starting a Marriage Off Strong with Nick & Cristen Lawso‪n‬

-Realistic vs. Unrealistic Expectations in Marriage with Tyler & Dena Lindse‪y‬

-Sustaining a Marriage Through Various Seasons with Matt & Leslee Hollida‪y‬

-Seeking God First In the Highs & Lows of Marriage with Doug & Christi Claybour‪n‬

-Married Life With a Blended Family with Tommy & Allison Fulle‪r‬

You can check out Jackie's work at jackiebledsoe.com.

You can find my work and link to my weekly newsletter at coleclaybourn.com.


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We close out the series on marriage with one final couple, and this is such a special episode for us! This week Emily and I talked to her aunt Allison Fuller and her husband Tommy. I'm so blessed to be able to share their story and welcome their perspective on marriage to the show.

One thing I've really enjoyed about this series is how it's shown that marriage looks different for every couple. There is no one-size-fits-all approach to marriage, and each story is beautiful. Tommy and Allison were previously married with children before they met — on an online dating site, by the way! — and we loved hearing their perspective on what a blended family looks like and how they've approached just their marriage alone while also navigating that aspect of parenting.

They've also helped lead some divorce groups at their church, so they brought plenty of wisdom to the conversation from those experiences as well.

Tommy is the Associate Dean at the Beeson Divinity School at Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama, so I was particularly interested in hearing his thoughts on marriage from more of a theological and exegetical approach.

Hope you enjoy this conversation!


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This week Emily and I got to sit down (over Zoom) with my parents Doug and Christi Claybourn and talk about marriage. I've had many conversations with my parents individually and together over the years when dating about relationships and marriage, but this is the first time I've gotten to do that alongside my spouse.

I hit on this in last week's email newsletter, but so much of what I know and believe to be true about love and marriage I learned either from what my parents taught me or how they modeled it.

Their marriage is far from perfect, just like all of ours, and I so appreciate the vulnerability we all went to in this conversation — talking about some of the early years of their marriage that were particularly difficult due to my dad's divorce with my biological mother and the events that followed that.

We talk about that and so much more in the conversation, but we also talked about how they've sustained their marriage through the highs and lows they've faced over their 20+ years of marriage, starting first by seeking God first in their own lives and in their marriage.

This is truly one of the highlights for me on this show, and I hope you enjoy hearing from them on their perspective on marriage.

If you'd like to connect with me or the show further, you can follow me on Instagram @coleclaybourn and on Twitter @ColeClaybourn. I'd also love for you to subscribe to my weekly newsletter here — Email Sign-Up

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After hearing from two younger couples, I'm excited this week to bring on a couple that's been married for 20 years. Matt and Leslee Holliday have both been on my show individually — Matt was on Episode 39 talking about his Major League Baseball career (go Cardinals!) and Leslee was on Episode 55 talking about faithfulness and following her passions — but I was excited to talk to them together about their marriage.

The life of a professional athlete has its perks, and as fans we often only see and think about the glamorous parts of it. But athletes are at risk of being traded at any point, which means they and their families are uprooted with little time to prepare and have to adjust. That happened to Matt in his career a couple times, so it was great to hear them share their story and what their marriage looked like during those seasons.

They're such a fun couple and it's easy to see why they've worked together so well for 20 years. They have three sons — Jackson, Ethan, and Reed — and one daughter, Gracyn. Leslee is back in school working toward a seminary degree.

They host the Table Forty Podcast, and this month they are also talking about marriage. Be sure to check out their show!


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We are back this week talking about marriage with a couple of friends from our life group at church, Tyler and Dena Lindsey! Tyler is the worship pastor at our church and Dena also helps lead worship. They've been married for a little over two years.

My wife Emily is back on the show with me as well, and one of the cool aspects of this conversation is that Tyler and Emily had interesting perspectives on helping couples as they prepare for marriage or navigate their marriage. Tyler does premarital counseling for couples and Emily and a license therapist who also works with couples. Their clientele is usually a little different, as is their perspective, and I really enjoyed hearing the range of ideas they had.

Tyler, who was on Episode 11 with some other friends from church, mentioned some questions he always asks the couples he counsels, and it's a list of questions he and Dena asked each other as well. They all center around expectations over things like household chores, budget, how time should be spent, sex, and how often to go on dates. We talked about what realistic expectations look like vs. unrealistic expectations.

-Book of the Month:

  • Let's Read Together! We started this last week, but I'm inviting you to join along as we read through a book each month through my podcast and social channels. Each month I'll go through a book with listeners and followers and talk with the author on Instagram Live at the end of the month.
  • This month, to keep with our theme on marriage, we are reading "The 7 Rings of Marriage" by Jackie Bledsoe. I would love for you to read along and send in some questions to ask Jackie when we talk to him at the end of the month!
  • This podcast is all about celebrating and exploring the intersection of faith and creativity, and with that, I love talking to authors and writers. Now, I get to do that together with you! You can read more about it here: https://coleclaybourn.com/blog/lets-read-together/

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We are kicking off a new series this month all about marriage and relationships, and I could not be more excited to have our friends Nick and Cristen Lawson on the show!

They are in our life group at church and just two people Emily and I do life with. They are newlyweds — they got married in October — so I loved hearing the perspective of such a young married couple. Don't be fooled by that, though, because they brought some serious wisdom that I think we all can use.

I love how intentional they are with their time together. They only have a TV in the guest room and rarely watch it and never really spend time on their phones when they're together. They've got several other little things they do to make sure they stay intentional with their time while still allowing for spontaneity.

They're also an interracial couple, and that's such a needed perspective for all of us to hear right now.

This was such a fun conversation and I can't wait for you all to hear it!

-Book of the Month:

  • Let's Read Together! Starting Feb. 1, I'll be doing a book of the month through my podcast and social channels. Each month I'll go through a book with listeners and followers and talk with the author, either on the podcast, Instagram Live, or both. This podcast is all about celebrating and exploring the intersection of faith and creativity, and with that, I love talking to authors and writers. Now, I get to do that together with you! You can read more about it here: https://coleclaybourn.com/blog/lets-read-together/

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The COVID-19 pandemic forced many churchgoers to have to do church in new ways. Most of it happened at home, either through live streams or in small groups on Zoom. It put a heightened focus on how important the home is as a place of worship and prayer.

Author Winfield Bevins just released a timely book entitled Living Room Liturgy that he hopes will help us reclaim the home as a place of prayer and worship. "I think in some ways we're in this season of the Lord just really reminding us of the need to rediscover the domestic church," he said.

Bevins is a “liturgical missiologist,” whose passion is to help others connect to the roots of the Christian faith for discipleship and mission. He serves as the Director of Church Planting at Asbury Theological Seminary in Wilmore, Kentucky, and he's the author of a number of books.

He has a Doctor of Ministry from Southeastern Seminary in Wake Forest and is pursuing a PhD at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland. As you'll hear in this conversation, he's one of the busiest people I've ever interviewed. We had a great conversation, though, about discipline, especially as it relates to creativity and writing.

Side note: The cover of Living Room Liturgy is beautiful. You can buy your copy here: https://my.seedbed.com/product/living-room-liturgy/

You can check out more of Winfield's work at his website, http://winfieldbevins.com and check out his social media and give him a follow.


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We all have dreams for our life. What happens when the one you planned to share them all with is no longer here? In August 2018, that became the reality for Kayla Stoecklein.

In her first book, Fear Gone Wild, Kayla bravely and vulnerably shares the story of her husband Andrew's battle with depression and subsequent suicide and all the emotions that surround it. She lives in southern California with her three boys and has found herself in a new life that she didn't ask for. As she says in this conversation, she went from being in the passenger seat to having to take the steering wheel and drive, all the while her sons are asking, "Mom, where are we going?"

The life she envisioned for herself and her family was gone.

"As I'm in that hospital room with him and he takes his last breath and I walk out down the hallway by myself, all of those dreams were in that room with him," she said.

Her book is one of the most raw and vulnerable pieces of writing I have read in quite some time and I am honored that Kayla shared her story on my show.

This conversation is one that tells the story of pain and grief and the pull depression has on us, but it's also one of hope and one that shares the strength and faithfulness of God in the midst of our pain. I'm so encouraged by Kayla's outlook on life and how she's choosing to spend her days and allowing herself to dream again.

You can purchase her book and connect with at her website https://www.kaylastoecklein.com/ and you can follow her on Instagram @kaylasteck


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Here at In No Hurry, we love talking about the intersection of faith and creativity, especially when we get people like Peter Craig and Kristin Schroder of Moving Works.

Moving Works describes itself as "a non-profit organization that makes short films to tell the world about Jesus." More specifically, they are missionary filmmakers who travel the world to tell stories of faith and share their faith with others. We talked all about finding and pursuing your calling, discerning your calling from God, fighting the battles of comparison and identity, and sharing our faith with others in what might be uncomfortable situations.

I also really liked something that Peter, who serves as the executive director of Moving Works, said: God is continuously doing his own creative work in us.

Also, you have got to check out this video Kristin made last summer. Singer/songwriter Ben Rector held a contest for people to submit funny and creative videos that spoofed his character in the music video for his song "It Would Be You," and Kristin's was amazing. So much so that she won the contest, got to have a Zoom call with Ben, and even won some stuff he wore in the video. The video and the story are definitely worth your time, so check her out on Instagram @ksschro.

Also be sure to follow Moving Works on Instagram @movingworks and on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/movingworksfilm. You can also visit their website https://movingworks.org/ to see their work.


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We are called to model our lives after Jesus, but sometimes we forget how deep that calling goes. Obviously our actions toward others and honoring God are hallmarks, but what about the minutiae of every day life like managing our technology, our creativity, and daily tasks? 

Elijah Bowling set out to examine and explain all of that in his new book titled "The Jesus Life: Living the Best Life Jesus Has for You." Elijah found that many people live day-to-day, unintentionally operating their life according to the world's standards and missing out on the fulfillment God has for us.

The solution, he writes, is found in the Creator of life itself. "God has a uniquely designed system for life — a lifestyle system that is inspirational, creative, and logical all at once. It’s a futuristic, timeless, and scaleable life system that Jesus modeled and executed perfectly." 

This book combines concepts from the life of Jesus, the Bible, and modernity into a singular lifestyle system of living, loving, and leading like Jesus. 

You can purchase The Jesus Life at https://www.thejesuslife.online/


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As we close out 2020 and look ahead to 2021, there’s no guest on the show this week. We’ve already recorded five episodes for 2021, which I am so excited to share with you all starting in January, but this week I just wanted to take some time to share some thoughts that I’ve had on my heart this year and reflect on some of the events that shaped me in 2020.

This year has been a bear, without question. I don't know what you've dealt with in 2020, but I know you’ve dealt with something. We all have. We've all experienced suffering and pain — some of us in ways we could never have imagined. The loss and isolation we felt at times was unlike anything we’ve experienced in some time. For some this might have genuinely been the worst year of your life.

As we get closer and closer to the New Year — or maybe you’ve already started to see this — your social media will probably be filled with people talking about how they’re ready to end this "dumpster fire" of a year and welcome in a new year.

This happens every single year — we get to the end of the year and people are ready to throw the current year away and welcome in a new one. You’ve heard me say it before, but the phrase “dumpster fire,” especially in this context, has become somewhat of a pet peeve of mine. It just seems like an overwrought, low-hanging-fruit way to describe a bad year, especially one like 2020.

We know the reality is that every year for the rest of our lives will bring heartache, suffering, pain, and sadness.

Just because the calendar switches over to January 2021, that doesn't mean COVID-19 or any other horrible thing about 2020 will magically disappear. Some of you are still in the thick of whatever it is you’ve been going through. That won’t go away just because the calendar says it’s a new year.

Let's instead position our hearts to be excited about what’s to come but also remember what we've gone through.

You might feel like this year was a dumpster fire. But you have gone through it. God has led you through the fire.

As you enter a new year, I pray you don’t forget the work God did in you and through this year. Even in the times when it was so hard to see it.

Friends, I cannot thank you enough for joining me on this journey in 2020 and supporting me and this show all year. You are the reason I do this show and I hope the conversations we’ve had on here have brought value to your life.

I’m so excited about where this show is headed in 2021 and I can’t wait to continue bringing you more amazing conversations with incredible people.

If you need me at all, you can find me @ColeClaybourn on Twitter and Instagram and I’m on Facebook as well at Cole Douglas Claybourn.


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It's wedding anniversary week for my wife Emily and I, which means this podcast gets to be graced with her presence again!

We celebrate three years of marriage on December 23, so we used this time to reflect on the past year of our marriage and on 2020 as a whole. We've had plenty of hard moments this year, like everyone, but one thing we agreed on was how much closer we became because of it all. This conversation got pretty vulnerable and real. I hope listening to this is as cathartic as it was for us to talk through.

We are so grateful for the love we share and the love God has for us. What's something you're grateful for in your marriage or relationship that might not have happened if not for the pandemic and the events of 2020? Leave a review and let us know in your comment!

You can follow me on Instagram and Twitter @ColeClaybourn and you can follow Emily on Instagram @emilyclaybourn. We'd love to connect with you!

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It started with a simple prayer for Leland Wetzel. In July of 2012, he had the idea to make a wooden baseball bat as a gift for his nephew.

It felt much deeper than just a gift, though, and he sensed it. He felt prompted to pray a simple prayer: "Lord, if you want this to be a hobby for me or maybe something even more than a hobby, give me a passion for it."

It's blossomed into a full-blown wooden baseball bat company — Xylo Bats — that boasts a few Major Leaguers to its list of customers and is now the official bat of the Miracle League, a baseball league for special needs individuals.

Leland's story is amazing — one of faithfulness both in God and from God. He's an example of someone using their passion and creativity as a ministry tool. Like most American boys, he had dreams of playing professional baseball. Like most American boys, that didn't come to fruition, so making wooden bats seemed like a logical fallback.

This journey eventually put him in touch with former Minnesota Twins star Joe Mauer, who took a liking to Leland's bats and gave him his first bit of momentum. He's got a great story about the first Major League hit one of his bats ever saw, as well.

Like most small businesses, Xylo Bats was significantly impacted by COVID-19, but Leland said he's still seen God's provision through it. Christmas is usually one of their busiest times, but this year it's been down, for obvious reasons. But if you're looking for a last-minute gift idea for someone, check out their custom bats and other items in their shop: https://www.xylobats.com/online-store

If you have your order in by Dec. 16, they can get it to you by Christmas!

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Leslee Holliday is proof that it doesn't matter what age you are or what season of life you're in, it's never too late to pursue your goals or go where God is calling you.

Quite literally and figuratively speaking, Leslee and her husband Matt — a former Major League Baseball player — have gone through a number of seasons in their life. A lot of change and uncertainty can surround the life of a professional athlete, especially when they're traded to another team, and families have to just roll with it and adjust. Leslee put a lot of her goals on the shelf during Matt's nearly 20-year professional baseball career, but I love her story about how she's back in school to earn an undergrad degree and has hopes of attending seminary next year.

Matt, who played for the St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series championship team as well as the Colorado Rockies, the Oakland Athletics, and the New York Yankees, was my guest on Episode 39, where we talked about the podcast that he and Leslee started this year, Table Forty. Matt was quick to credit Leslee as the engine behind the show, so it was fun to talk to her about how the show originated and what the goal is for it.

I loved hearing her share stories of Matt's playing career, including one about how he vomited when he was told he was traded to Oakland. I can't say I blame him. But mostly I loved hearing how faith Leslee has been to the callings in her life and how faith God has been to her with those callings.

If you love stories, Leslee's got tons of them here, and even more on her own podcast. Be sure to check out the Table Forty Podcast wherever you get podcasts and give her a follow on Instagram @lesleesmithholliday.

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I'm excited this week to introduce you to an up-and-coming poet and artist named Lo Alaman. I had the honor of sitting down with Lo to talk about some incredibly important stuff — racial reconciliation, what we as humans and Christians can learn from the racial events of 2020, and what it looks like lament injustice and other difficult things.

We also talked about how important art is to help navigate times of pain and suffering.

When I created this show, I had no idea that I'd get to have some of the conversations I've had on here. It's so cool to see how God has worked through this. I'm honored that someone like Lo would want to use my corner of the Internet to speak truth to so many of these important topics.

Lo is the author of a new book of poems titled, "We Sang a Dirge: Poems, Laments, and Other Things that Matter to God," which releases Dec. 3. About the book, Lo writes: "What you hold in your hand is not a manual on lament, but rather a glance into mine. It is a collection of poems, journeys, prayers, and invitations. I offer no answers here, for only Christ has those to give."

It's not a political statement by Lo, but instead it's a raw look into the emotions of a black Christian witnessing the injustices we saw in 2020.

I loved this conversation and I hope you will, too.

Be sure to give Lo a follow @lothepoet on Instagram and purchase his book here: https://my.seedbed.com/product/we-sang-a-dirge/

I also want to invite you to subscribe to my weekly newsletter where I send out a devotional each week and do some occasional giveaways. In December we'll be talking all about gifts, and I'll have some gifts for my subscribers to win, including books and coffee! You can sign up here: https://mailchi.mp/5900c37e0647/coleclaybourn

Also be sure to check out this week's sponsor, Almost Home Clothing. My friends Spence Sheldon and Nick Lawson started this company this year to help inmates ease back into the world when they're released and restore dignity to their lives. Check them out online at almosthomeclothing.com and on Instagram @almosthomeclothing.


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What are the most pressing issues facing young adults right now? How can the Church respond to meet those needs, and what should we be teaching young adults to help fix it?

How can we promote and achieve unity in the Church and in our nation?

I spoke with Wayne Dickens about all of that and much more this week. Wayne is the Campus Director for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes at Western Kentucky University and I'm so excited to introduce him to you this week. I'd never met Wayne until he preached a sermon at my church a few weeks ago on unity, and it struck me as a conversation we needed to have on this podcast.

As a teacher and someone who seeks to reach young adults, I also appreciated his perspective on what issues young adults struggle with the most and how we can approach those through the lens of the gospel.

Wayne is a former college and professional football player and I think you'll really enjoy hearing him talk about his faith journey, his career change into ministry and his heart for people.

You can follow him on Instagram @wayne_dicken5 and you can check out and support WKU FCA here: https://www.wkufca.org/donate

Speaking of support, one of the most helpful things you can continue to do is to spread the word about this show to friends and family who might be interested! It also helps a ton if you leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts. That helps others know this is a show that would be good for them. Think of it as an Amazon review.

I also want to invite you to subscribe to my weekly newsletter where I send you a devotional each week and occasional giveaways! Subscribers have had the chance to win some free books and free coffee. You can sign up here: https://mailchi.mp/5900c37e0647/coleclaybourn

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Today we are celebrating one year of the In No Hurry Podcast! What a year it has been. Those of you who have supported this show since its inception, I truly cannot thank you enough!

What better way to celebrate than to bring Ryan Ahlwardt back on? Ryan was my first guest and he also created the theme music that we use each week! We had such a great conversation reflecting on the last year for us individually, 2020 as a whole, the first year of the show, and navigating the tough times of the pandemic.

This is the longest conversation I've ever had on this show, but it's fitting! You truly can't be in a hurry to listen to this one.

One of my favorite parts of this conversation was talking with Ryan about the challenges that creatives felt during the pandemic and how we had to be creative about being creative. While the pandemic felt restricting to creatives at first, I love Ryan's perspective about how it actually allowed him to focus on what truly mattered to him and what truly fueled him with his creativity.

Ryan and I did a Facebook Live event earlier this year in the Summer where we talked about some of these things and he also played some songs in between! If you missed that, you can watch the full conversation on YouTube.

This conversation is long, but stick around to the end for some exciting news I have to share about my writing journey!

Thank you so much for taking the time to support my show. One of the most helpful things you can continue to do is to spread the word about my show to friends and family who might be interested! It also helps a ton if you leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts. That helps others know this is a show that would be good for them. Think of it as an Amazon review.

I also want to invite you to subscribe to my weekly newsletter where I send you a devotional each week and occasional giveaways! Subscribers have had the chance to win some free books and free coffee. You can sign up here: https://mailchi.mp/5900c37e0647/coleclaybourn

Also be sure to support Ryan! He's been such a big supporter of this show. If you've not already, check him out on Spotify or Apple Music or on his website at ryansongs.com. You can also follow him on Instagram and Twitter @ryansongs.

I'd also love for you to check out this week's sponsor, Almost Home Clothing. My buddies Spence and Nick started this company this year to help inmates ease back into the world when they're released and restore dignity to their lives. You'll hear from Spence mid-episode about Almost Home, but check them out online at almosthomeclothing.com and on Instagram @almosthomeclothing.

I am so grateful for you for taking the time to listen!


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If you're a thinking person, you'll definitely enjoy this conversation.

Thane Marcus Ringler is a former professional golfer who now is a writer, podcaster, thinker, and thought leader. His latest book, Catalysts for Hope: Unlocking Energy, Optimism, and Your Full Potential, just released last month and is available on his website for free. He's also just about ready to launch two only courses: Take Ownership | Growing Self-Awareness and Never Settle | Developing Discipline. Those are available at his website: https://thanemarcus.thinkific.com/

Thane has applied a lot of the lessons he's learned through golf into his regular life, and I really appreciate his perspective. Golf is such a mental game, and Thane has found a correlation between some of the concepts of golf and his spiritual walk. A lot of the ideas we talk about are hindrances that routinely keep people from achieving whatever it is that they want to achieve.

Be sure to give Thane a follow on Instagram (@thanemarcus) and Twitter (@thanemarcus).

You can also follow me on Instagram and Twitter — @coleclaybourn on both platforms. You can also stay in touch by signing up for my weekly newsletter. This is a great way to get my content delivered straight to you each week! I'd love for you to sign up and be a part of that community. Click this link to sign up: https://mailchi.mp/5900c37e0647/coleclaybourn


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It would seem as though prayer would be a fundamental part of a Christian's life. While most would say it is, the truth is many Christians struggle to build solid rhythms and habits when it comes to their prayer life.

We aren't as intentional at making prayer a priority as we could be, for a number of reasons. I unpack that and much more this week with Val Woerner, founder of ValMarie Paper and creator of a fantastic line of focused prayer journals.

For years my wife Emily has used Val's prayer journals to write out her monthly prayers, and in the past year I started using them, too. It makes it so easy to list out our prayers for ourselves, our family, our nation, our world, our friends, and everyone and everything in between. There's even a spot for answered prayers, too.

Val is also about to release a new book of pre-written prayers called Springboard Prayer, which is designed to help those who struggle with how to pray, when to pray, and what to pray about.

I so appreciate this conversation, especially as we near the end of a year and enter into a season where people will be looking to start anew with new habits and new rhythms. There's no better time than now to start making prayer part of your daily rhythm.

It's also funny how God works. Emily and I were talking recently about how we really have neglected our prayer life this year when we really should have been clinging to it. I've had this episode planned for weeks, and just yesterday our church launched a new series all about prayer and the entire congregation will be participating in 40 days of corporate prayer. It's called 40 Full, and each week we'll have a different topic or group of people to pray about. The first week will be all about our elected officials and government workers. Seems like a good time for that!

Whether you have a church home or not, I invite you to join me in this prayer journey. If you're looking for a way to get started on prioritizing prayer, this is a great way to start. If you're interested and want to know more, click here: https://www.crossland.tv/40full

Be sure to check out Val's website, https://www.valmariepaper.com/, to read her blogs on prayer and purchase one of her prayer journals. You can follow her on Instagram @ValWoerner (https://www.instagram.com/valwoerner/) or @ValMariePaper (https://www.instagram.com/valmariepaper/).

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The element of faith has been a highly discussed part of the upcoming presidential election. Both Donald Trump and Joe Biden are looking to court the Evangelical vote as well as votes from others who identify as people of faith.

Journalist Adam Wren, a Christian himself, has covered this and all aspects of the election for Politico and Indianapolis Monthly. He joins the show to talk about covering the election, how he thinks Evangelicals and other Christians will vote, and what each candidate is doing to court the votes of Christians. This conversation is not intended to sway your vote one way or the other, but rather shed light on how the element of faith plays into this election and the campaigns of each candidate.

You can follow Adam on Twitter @AdamWren and subscribe to his newsletter, Importantville, where he publishes regular scoops on Indiana and national political news: https://importantville.substack.com/

You can also follow me on Twitter @ColeClaybourn and Instagram @coleclaybourn. Each Monday I also send out a weekly newsletter that includes a weekly devotional/article and a link to my podcast episode that week. I also do occasional giveaways, so be sure to subscribe here: https://mailchi.mp/5900c37e0647/coleclaybourn Visit my website, coleclaybourn.com, for links to all my podcasts and other work.

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This week we're talking all about writing on the podcast — specifically book writing. Whether you're a writer/aspiring author or not, I think you'll find this conversation with author Barnabas Piper interesting. Aside from being the first repeat guest on the show — check Episode 18 for his first appearance — Barnabas has written four books and also worked for a number of years on the publishing side of the industry.

He's one of the most knowledgable people I know about how the writing industry works and what it takes to get published. This conversation is going to be most beneficial to writers and aspiring authors, but we discuss plenty of concepts and principles that can apply to people in many professions and avenues.

But for writers, we talked about:

  • The writing process
  • Marketing
  • Building an audience vs. building a platform
  • Dealing with rejection
  • Comparison
  • Red flags for aspiring authors to be aware of

Barnabas, who is the son of well-known pastor and author John Piper, just released his fourth book, "Hoping for Happiness," on Oct. 1. You can purchase it and his other books, and check out his other work, on his website at barnabaspiper.com.

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One of my favorite people ever gets to join me on the show this week!

Author Hannah Brencher's writing has resonated with me an incredible amount, perhaps more so than any author. I'm not sure if it's the Enneagram 4 wing 3 in both of us or the fact that we both met our spouses online, but at times reading her writing made it feel like we're kindred spirits. I also went through her Summer Writing Intensive, which was so instrumental in me getting the actual writing of my book started.

We've been trying to schedule this conversation for a while, but between a global pandemic and Hannah becoming a first-time mother, we hadn't been able to until now. But this was such a great conversation! We talked about writing, how to build and maintain better habits, how creatives — and other people in general — can fight against comparison and defeat the lies we are told. We also dispelled some myths surrounding online dating and talked about her new book, "Fighting Forward: Your Nitty Gritty Guide to Beating the Lies That Hold You Back," which comes out in early January 2021.

If you've never read any of Hannah's work before, her first two books "If You Find This Letter" and "Come Matter Here" are fantastic. I'm also a subscriber to her Monday email list, The Monday Club, and it's a great source of motivation and inspiration every Monday morning. You can sign up for that and find more of her work on her website, hannahbrenchercreative.com. Be sure to give Hannah a follow on Instagram as well — @hannahbrencher

You can watch this entire conversation on YouTube!

Like Hannah, Every Monday morning I send out an email to my mailing list that includes a devotional and some scriptural truths to start your week. I'd love for you to join me! You can sign up, and check out other podcast episodes and articles I've written, at my website — coleclaybourn.com


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This week I wanted to do something a little different with the show. There’s no guest this week, and I just want to take a little time to talk with you about the topic of identity, and more specifically what I learned about identity and contentment, and what the Bible has to say about it, in the year that I was away from teaching and just this past year of life in general. 

If you listened to my episode last week with Josiah Kennealy, he asked me this question, and it was a good one worth expanding on. Comparison, contentment, and identity are topics I’ve written and talked about quite a bit this year, mainly because that’s the head space I’ve been living in. So, what did I learn about God and identity in my year away from education? 

Listen in as I describe the last year of my life and how God has worked to help the posture of my heart shift from comparison to finding my identity in Christ. Links Subscribe to my weekly newsletter: Subscribe to my newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/5900c37e0647/coleclaybourn If you need to get in touch with me, give me a follow on Instagram at coleclaybourn or on Twitter @ColeClaybourn. Check out the podcast Instagram as well — @innohurrypodcast. 


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When I was fresh out of college, I use to bemoan the fact that the churches I went to seemed to lack any sort of substantial programming for that awkward age range of early 20s to mid-30s. Growing up in the church, there's always plenty for youth and even in college there are plenty of campus ministries to be a part of and meet people to do life with.

But for a lot of places, once you're out of college, you're sort of thrown into the grouping with married adults who have kids. For single people in their 20s and 30s, it can often feel hard to get plugged in at church and meet people in a similar phase of life. Josiah Kennealy recognized that need in his city of Minneapolis and, along with his wife Micah, founded Minnesota Young Adults — a collaborative movement of college ministries & young adult ministries from around the Twin Cities of Minnesota.

He and his wife also host the Young Adults Today podcast. In this conversation we talked about how they found the heart for that project, some of the major issues facing young adult Christians, what he's encouraged by when he sees young adults leading in the church, and we also talked about hurry, hustle, and comparison — all things young adults grapple with.

Even if you're not in the young adult age bracket, this is still an enlightening conversation. You'll love Josiah's Minnesotan accent. Links Give Josiah a follow on Twitter (@JosiahKennealy) and Instagram (@josiahkennealy) Check out the Young Adults Today podcast: https://www.youngadults.today/

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Happiness is often a difficult concept to explain, much less achieve. It seems ever out of reach, yet its profoundly subjective in its nature. If we can define what makes us happy, why does it feel so hard for us to obtain it? Much like identity, we often look for happiness in all the wrong places — people, sports, hobbies, or other activities that are full of human beings who are bound to disappoint us at some point.

Have you ever gotten irrationally angry while watching a sporting event? Has your mood been affected by something someone said or did? I think all of us can pinpoint a number of examples where our happiness has been dependent or influenced by worldly things. The key to true everlasting happiness, of course, is through Jesus. Happy are the people who know the joyful show; Lord, they walk in the light from your face. They rejoice in your name all day long, and they are exalted by your righteousness. (Psalm 89:15-16) This year I read the best book I've read, thus far, on happiness — "The Good Life" by Derwin L. Gray.

This week I was honored to sit down with Derwin and talk about his book and what it looks like to find true happiness through Jesus. In a year where we've experienced a global pandemic, racial injustice, and general loss all around, we are a people searching for happiness. We are searching for the life God has called us to live and to be the person God has called us to be.

Blessed are:

  • The poor in spirit
  • Those who mourn
  • The meek
  • Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness
  • The merciful
  • The pure in heart
  • The peacemakers
  • Those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake
  • You, when others persecute you (Matthew 5:1-2)

True happiness isn't found in self-serving endeavors that bring glory upon ourselves, but rather it's birthed out of a life that looks to serve God and others first and lower ourselves in reverence to and for God and in favor of our neighbors. As Derwin writes in his book, "to love our neighbors is to love God. To love God requires that we love our neighbors."

I invite you to listen this week's podcast episode with Derwin as he explains in greater detail what it looks like to find true happiness through Jesus. As a bonus, he opens up about what he's seen as both a human and a pastor as he's watched the racial injustice play out this year. I am honored to share Derwin's wisdom with you all this week.

Dr. Derwin L. Gray is the founding and lead pastor of Transformation Church, a multiethnic, multigenerational, mission-shaped community just south of Charlotte, North Carolina. Before becoming a pastor, Gray played professional football for the Indianapolis Colts and Carolina Panthers. Links: Give Derwin a follow on Twitter (@DerwinLGray) & Instagram (@derwinlgray) Visit his website and buy a copy of his new book "The Good Life" here: https://thegoodlifebook.net/

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It's all too tempting in the age of social media to jump in on any and every controversial debate or conversation we see. Chances are, especially in 2020, you've had to decide whether to engage with someone or bite your tongue. If you're like me, you've entered into some online battles you didn't really need to. We've all been there, and it's only going to get worse as we get closer to the election in November.

But there's a way Christians can and should engage online when it comes to potentially contentious conversations, and author Dan Darling explains that in this week's episode. Dan is author of a new book entitled "A Way with Words: Using Our Online Conversations for Good," and he's full of Biblical wisdom on this topic. As a journalist and English teacher, I appreciated the chance to nerd out and have a conversation all about words.

Dan is the Senior VP for Communications at National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) and served for six years as VP of Communications for ERLC. He has authored nine books, including "The Original Jesus, The Dignity Revolution and the bestselling The Characters of Christmas." He's also a Chicago Bears fan, which makes him alright in my book. Links Give Dan a follow on Twitter (@dandarling) Check out Dan's website: danieldarling.com Check out "A Way with Words" and Dan's other books: https://bit.ly/3hqOt8D

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Ben Courson's mission is to inject hope into a generation plagued by anxiety and despair. In the middle of Suicide Prevention Awareness Month, this conversation comes at an important time when suicide rates are climbing due to COVID-19 and other perils that 2020 has brought. Ben's new book, Flirting with Darkness, encourages you to not accept depression as a permanent state, but instead turn to the One who will champion your every struggle.

In this conversation, Ben opens up about his only battles with suicidal ideations and depression and offers practical and Biblical wisdom on how to deal with these emotions. The beauty: God wants to fight these battles with us. Ben is the founder of Hope Generation and senior pastor at Applegate Christian Fellowship in Jacksonville, Oregon. Stemming from his own bout with suicide and depression, Ben created Hope Generation, aiming to help those struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts to those who’ve lost hope and meaning amid their success.

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No matter where you are in life, God can and will meet you there. That's one of the most beautiful things about the gospel, and it's the premise of my friend Rashawn Copeland's new book, "Start Where You Are."

Rashawn was living a life of self-gratification, chasing after fame on the shoulders of a football career and eventually lived the Hollywood lifestyle in Los Angeles for a while. In this conversation he shares how his messy life led him down some scary paths — including one where he was shot and nearly killed to later when he nearly shot and killed himself — to eventually being saved by Jesus. God met Rashawn where was, and he can do the same for you.

Whether you're depressed, anxious, prideful, struggling with addiction, or feeling regret over past choices, God can meet you there. In fact, God does his best work with nothing. We don't need to be perfect in order to come to Jesus and receive grace. I love what Rashawn says in this conversation: "Jesus didn't die for the version of us that we pretend to be, but who we actually are," he said. "He didn't come for the healthy, but those who are sick and need a doctor."

This conversation will bless you.

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We were created out of love for love, but it's not always easy to love some people. Adam Weber, pastor at Embrace Church in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, knows that well — so well that he wrote an entire book about a season of life where he was finding it difficult to love everyone.

His new book, "Love Has a Name: Learning to Love the Different, the Difficult, and Everyone Else" came out Aug. 25, and it's a really unique way to talk about love. Each chapter is the story of someone in Adam's life who embodies love or something he learned to love. He uses everyday people in his life to tell the story of love and compares them to someone in the Bible with a similar story.

The ultimate goal is to show how Jesus loved and how we're called to love others. It's an incredibly timely book, as well. With the racial unrest of this summer along with the upcoming presidential election, times are tense and we've seen more vitriol where there could be love. I hope this conversation blesses you and calls you to love on others when you might be tempted to fight or argue.

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I know I say this a lot, but this episode is truly one of my favorites. As you know, I'm a huge St. Louis Cardinals fan, so getting to talk baseball and relive the Cardinals 2011 World Series run with one of the best players to wear a Cardinals uniform in some time was awesome. In all seriousness, Matt Holliday is a great guy and super genuine human being. I had a great time talking about his playing career, how his faith walk started, how his faith guided him in his career, and what life has been like since he retired from baseball.

He also talked about some of the hardest points in his career, including the last couple years where he dealt with a pretty severe illness that caused a number of issues for him, both on and off the field. I appreciated him opening up about that because he hasn't talked publicly about it much. Since he's been out of pro baseball, Matt started coaching with his brother at Oklahoma State University, and he and his wife Leslee host the Table Forty Podcast, where they talk to a lot of athletes and sports figures about sports and faith. He's one of the most competitive guys you'll ever meet, but he talks about how he balanced that with his Christian faith while playing.

"I think the knock that Christians are soft or you can’t be a bad man on the athletic stage is so not true,” he said.

Even if you're not a sports fan, I think you'll enjoy Matt's genuineness and his openness about everything.

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As so many of us are struggling with anxiety, disappointment, and grief in the wake of COVID-19 and everything else 2020 has thrown at us, author Nancy Hicks is working to provide hope and guidance. Earlier this summer she launched Meant to Live: Six Sessions, a brand new course based on her book, Meant to Live, that is dedicated to helping people live a life of meaning — a life where they wake up inspired, where they experience a deep connection with God, self, and others and where they are fully known and loved. All this while grappling with her own deep grief: her 27-year-old son being diagnosed with cancer for a second time.

A former QVC spokeswoman, you'll love Nancy's energy and positive, Jesus-center outlook on grief, suffering, comparison, and finding peace and joy through it all.

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We're picking up with the final installment of our short two-week feature on Olympic athletes during what would've been the 2020 Olympics. This week my guest is swimmer Erik Risolvato, who is hoping to qualify to swim for Team USA in next summer's Olympic games. Risolvato actually has dual citizenship with Puerto Rico thanks to his grandmother being born there, and in the 2016 Olympics he was all set to board a flight for Rio when he was told that due to circumstances out of his control, he wouldn't be allowed to swim. 

He opens up about that experience, the life of chasing fame and drugs throughout his swimming career, to giving his life and his career to the Lord. His story is one of grace, humility, and determination. 

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We're supposed to be enjoying the Olympics right now, but COVID-19 has forced it to be postponed until 2021. So to fill the Olympic void you're feeling right now, the next two episodes will feature Olympic athletes. We're starting it off with USA Rugby star Carlin Isles — the fastest man in rugby. Carlin has an amazing story. Long before he became the face of the USA Rugby team, the fastest man in rugby, and an Internet sensation, Isles was fighting a different battle — both literally and metaphorically.

If you met him now and felt the positivity radiate off of him, you may never know how tough the early years of his life were. He’s only met his birth father once, and his birth mother was arrested on drug charges when he was just 7 years old. He’s not seen her since. He and his sister Tambra then bounced around in foster homes, facing abuse and other hard situations no kid should have to face. He prayed for God to deliver him from his situation, and he and his sister were adopted by a family that he has stuck with. He excelled in football and track in high school, relying on his faith and determination to avoid the typical pitfalls of teenagers — partying, drinking, smoking, etc. He went on to play college football and even had a brief stint in the NFL, but being undersized, he struggled at that level.

As good as he was at football, he might have been even better at track. In college he was an All-American in the 60-meter dash. His time was fast enough to qualify him for the Olympic trials, but ultimately not quite good enough to make the team. With his athletic career hanging in the balance, Carlin stumbled across a video on YouTube of rugby highlights. It looked a lot like what he’d done to opponents on the football field, and he saw it as his ticket to the Olympics. He got in contact with officials with Team USA and was invited to Aspen, Colorado to work out with a club team. At the time he had about $500 to his name, and he knew this might be his last chance to continue his athletic career.

He made the team, and his rugby career took off. Now he's ready to lead Team USA to gold in 2021.

Aside from all of this, Carlin also opened up about how racism shaped his upbringing and he gave his thoughts on the current racial situation our country faces right now.

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Losing one child at birth is hard enough. Jon Ackerman and his wife, Shannon, have lost two, with a third being lost to a miscarriage.

Needless to say, there have been plenty of times when Jon could've walked away from God and many people in the world wouldn't have blamed him. But that's why his story is so good, because he doesn't approach his heartache that way. Instead, he runs toward God.

After having a healthy baby girl, the Ackermans became pregnant again nearly a year and a half later. But the 13-week ultrasound revealed a condition in the womb that led the doctor to relay some difficult news. They were told, “Your baby is incompatible with life.” They met their son in March 16, but he took only a few breaths before he went to be with the Lord. They became pregnant again soon thereafter, but were given the same diagnosis at the 13-week ultrasound. They met their second son in January 2017.

Jon and Shannon welcomed a healthy child into the world in May 2018, through the help of in vitro fertilization (IVF). However, when they tried IVF a second time, the baby girl was lost due to a miscarriage in July 2019.

In this episode, Ackerman talks about working in sports ministry, giving his life to the Lord, and how he and his wife clung to God and their faith during their pregnancy trials.

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This conversation pairs well with last week's with pastor Scott Sauls as we pick up where we left off talking about how Christians can respond on the Internet in the growing age of vitriolic public discourse.

Matt Brown is an evangelist and the author of Truth Plus Love: The Jesus Way to Influence, where he discusses how Christians can respond with truth and love when it might be tempting to get sucked into a contentious political, religious, or societal battle online. We can influence people more by our love and kindness than our shouting and anger.

Matt and his family live in Minneapolis, so he had a front-row view to the events surrounding the murder of George Floyd. He gives his perspective on being at the epicenter of the current racial unrest and visiting the site of George Floyd's death.

He's the founder of a ministry called Think Eternity and also hosts the "Think Eternity Podcast." This is a necessary conversation as we head into an election season.

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Pastor Scott Sauls is one of the most prominent voices when it comes to how Christians can and should should respond to potentially contentious conversations about race, social issues, politics, and religion. His new book that came out in early June, A Gentle Answer: Our Secret Weapon in an Age of Us Against Them, is a timely, necessary book in a year of racial unrest and political contentiousness.

Written to serve as a guide as we enter what looks to be a turbulent election season, the racial unrest that has arose from the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, and others have presented another layer of tension that enters the conversation, both literally and figuratively. Sauls, who is the pastor at Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville and also authored Jesus Outside the Lines: A Way Forward for Those Who Are Tired of Taking Sides, provides some keen wisdom on how Christians can approach these issues with the gentleness and love that the Bible speaks about.

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You could make the argument that Matt Jones is the most influential person in Kentucky and you'd have a good argument. His title might say "host of Kentucky Sports Radio," but those from this state know he holds much more weight than just the founder and host of a radio program covering University of Kentucky athletics.

Love him or hate him, Jones has built KSR from the ground up, starting in the mid-2000s as just a goofy fan blog to what is now a nationally-recognized media brand. UK basketball is polarizing on its own, and unless you've lived in Kentucky or are familiar with the sports landscape here, it's hard to explain how serious Kentucky basketball is to this state.

I'll put it this way — I'm a Hoosier through and through, and I was raised on Indiana basketball and will never cheer for Kentucky. But I've never seen a state wrap itself around a team as much as the entire state — from Paducah to Appalachia — wraps itself around the Wildcats.

The fanbase travels everywhere. The team could play a game in Africa and there'd still be a good contingent of blue in the stands. Add on the fact that the program is consistently one of the most successful in the country with a polarizing head coach and you can see why fans of other schools hold such a strong dislike for UK.

So, naturally, a blog dedicated to covering it 365 days a year is bound to elicit strong reactions from fans of other schools. Jones is a personality on his own, and he's become the de facto face and voice for the entire Kentucky fanbase. As such, he often bears the brunt of vitriol from those who don't like UK, and it can get ugly.

I've had my own disagreements with Matt over the years, but I've always been impressed by how he's built his brand up and stayed true to who he is. He's also just a genuinely nice guy who cares as much as anyone about his state.

He's not shy about his personal beliefs, especially his progressive politics, which in itself can be polarizing in Kentucky. He's sharp, though, and he's been courted by national Democrat leaders to run for office, most notably for U.S. Senate in 2020.

We talked about that, his decision not to run, the growth of KSR, and his new book, Mitch, Please!: How Mitch McConnell Sold Out Kentucky (and America, Too), which has already become a New York Times Bestseller. I also really enjoyed hearing Matt's thoughts on how Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear has handled COVID-19 in our state, and we talked quite a bit about the implications of all of that to the faith community.

You might hate UK with all your heart, but I really think you're going to enjoy this conversation with Matt.

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What's it like for a sports journalist during a time when there aren't really any sports? If you're a good storyteller and know where to find stories, it's not so bad. That's been the case for Indianapolis Star sports columnist Gregg Doyel, who's arguably busier now than he's been with live sports.

Gregg is one of the best storytellers I know. If you need proof of that, just ask the Associated Press Sports Editors, who in March recognized him as one of the country's top sports columnists. He was also the inaugural winner for the Indiana Sports Corp's Inspiring Sports Storyteller Award in September.

With no sports, Gregg has been telling historical stories from across Indiana and highlighting senior high school athletes whose seasons were cut short or didn't happen due to COVID-19. You can check out Gregg's columns here, as well as the series on this podcast about athletes and COVID-19:

  • Episode 22: Oklahoma softball player Shannon Saile
  • Episode 24: San Diego Padres pitcher Jerad Eickhoff
  • Episode 26: Pro basketball player Alex Stein
  • Episode 28: Reitz High School girls tennis players

In this conversation, we talked about the effect the Coronavirus has already had on sports and society and what large sporting events might look like in the future because of this. He also gives his prediction on whether or not football will happen this Fall, and Gregg and I officially bury a 10-year-old hatchet. (Spoiler alert — we both used to be self-important, pompous jerks at times on social media, and that was how we met. It wasn't the most pleasant of introductions, but it's blossomed into a good friendship and mutual respect).

If you enjoy sports, and especially if you enjoy good writing and good storytelling, you'll enjoy this episode.

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It may not be Godzilla or Bigfoot or something like that, but we all deal with monsters in our own lives. Maybe it's comparison, or chasing after success, or a misplaced identity. In his new book Befriending Your Monsters, author and pastor Luke Norsworthy addresses those lies we believe and how we can fear them in a way like we did with monsters as children. But instead of running from them, his book focuses on how to come alongside those fears and learn what they might teaching you about your spiritual walk with God.

After last week's conversation with Scarlet Hiltibidal about her book on fear, I appreciated adding to that with this approach to fear and a look at another aspect of fear. Luke is a great speaker and I'm excited for this new book.

Luke's book comes out on May 18, and his publisher, Baker Book House, has a great deal going on where if you pre-order his Befriending Your Monsters, you can get his first book, God Over Good, for free. Honestly, that's too good of a deal to pass up. You can pre-order the book on Baker's website, or anywhere you get books. Then just fill out the form on this link and they'll send you God Over Good for free.

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Fear is something we don't always like to talk about. But gear up, because this conversation with author Scarlet Hiltibidal is full of talk about fear.

This is a pretty topical conversation right now given what's going on in the world. We all might be getting adjusted to life during COVID-19, but I'm guessing at some point all of us have experienced some level of fear during this. Scarlet's book Afraid of All the Things: Tornadoes, Cancer, Adoption, and Other Stuff You Need the Gospel For is all about fear, anxiety, phobias, and anything in between. Scarlet has joked that she needs to amend the title to include the Coronavirus.

But what I love about Scarlet, and this book, is that she takes a humorous approach to fear. She grew up in the green room of Saturday Night Live, with her mother Victoria Jackson starring on the show in the early 90s, so that comedic upbringing shines through in this book and this conversation as she’s able to approach fear and some rather serious life instances with a bit of humor.

We talked a lot about her book and the stories she shared in it, including a cancer scare and adopting a deaf child from China, how to find rest in the Lord and how she approaches fear differently now versus as a child.

I wrote some thoughts on her book, and I definitely recommend you reading it, especially given the season we find ourselves in.

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Our season was canceled due to COVID-19, but that won't stop us from having a makeshift Senior Night for these girls. As many of you know, this Spring was going to be last season coaching high school tennis at Reitz High School in Evansville. Even though Emily and I moved two hours away to Bowling Green, I was going to live in Evansville during the week for the two months of the season and coach this time.

These senior girls were a huge reason why. They're incredible students and human beings on top of being great tennis players. Several of them have 4.0 GPAs, and they all have big post-secondary plans. So we're closing out our April Athlete Features will the Reitz High School senior girls tennis players.

They're a huge reason why it was so hard to say goodbye to this program, especially without even having a final season and getting to have the proper closure.

I'm so grateful we got to have this conversation. If you've ever played a sport, you know how special the bond is with your teammates. I hurt for these girls that they weren't able to have their senior year, but I hope this provided a little bit of closure.

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I have an affinity for wit mixed with a little cynicism and sarcasm. Because of that, Tyler Huckabee is one of my favorite Twitter follows, and he was one of the first people I wrote down as someone I wanted on this podcast as a guest.

I'm glad to finally get him on here to talk all things faith and culture. Tyler is the senior editor at RELEVANT Magazine and is one of the best writers I've read in a while. His stuff during COVID-19 has been especially poignant, particularly this article entitled, The Church Will Not Sacrifice Anyone for the Economy’s Sake, which we talked about in this conversation. I really appreciated what he had to say about Christians and COVID-19 and how we can and should respond to the pandemic. Tyler also lives in Nashville and gave an update on the relief efforts for the tornado that ripped through the middle of town in March just before COVID-19 shut down the city.

Tyler is also known for his knowledge of superhero movies and comic books, so we talked quite a bit about that and, for someone like me who knows very little about that culture, he gave a rundown of a good entry point in terms of content and explained the differences of DC and Marvel. He also gave a preview of a couple superhero movies coming out this year.

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Alex Stein is one of the most successful basketball players in the history of the city of Evansville, Indiana. He was one of the best players on his high school team that went to the State championship his senior year, then he became the all-time leading scorer at the University of Southern Indiana, and is now working his way toward the NBA with the Canton Charge of the G-League.

But, like, every other athlete right now, his season is on hold, which means he had to stop his first season of professional basketball and return home to Evansville while we wait out the COVID-19 pandemic. Perhaps more impressive than his athletic achievements, though, has been his walk with God and his maturation in his faith. Alex talks about how he's handling his sport being shutdown, finding his identity in Christ rather than basketball, how he's matured as a man and a Christian since his high school days, and we relived his historic senior years — both in high school in college.

Alex talked about dealing with the disappointment of losing in overtime in the State championship his senior year of high school and how his ability to deal with disappointment was different in his senior year of college, when he lost in the Division II Final Four, which happened to be played in Evansville with nearly 10,000 fans in attendance.

I've always been impressed by Alex, but even more so after this conversation.

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This episode is brought to you by the good folks at Donato’s Pizza here in Bowling Green. My buddy Spence Sheldon is the owner there and they’re doing great work for the community. Yesterday they gave out 600 free pizzas to members of the community. If you live in the Bowling Green area, please go support them. It’s locally-owned, the pizza is fantastic, but more importantly right now they’re still open for carry out as well as delivery with a no-contact delivery per your request. So if you’re in the Bowling Green area and wondering what to do for your next meal, give Donato’s a call.

This episode is also brought to you by my friends at Leroy's Tavern in Evansville. Since we had a West Side boy on the show, it's only right that we have a West Side restaurant as a sponsor this week. Leroy's is a great place for karaoke and it's a great atmosphere with really good, and the owners are great people. They're celebrating being open 50 years this year. They're currently closed due to COVID-19, but when they open back up, you can expect the same great Leroy's but also with family dining. If you live in Evansville, make sure you support them because they support the community.

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  • Check out Alex's game-winner that we talked about
  • Check out this mixtape of Alex on the basketball court

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Several authors from B&H Publishing have been on this show this year, and Jenaye White is largely to thank for that. Jenaye is the senior publicist for B&H Publishing and has been super helpful in setting up the interviews for authors like Daniel Im, Robin Dance, Jamie Sumner, and Art Rainer.

We found out we have quite a few mutual friends and figured we needed to get her on the show as well. We talked about how we've spending our quarantine time, our thoughts on Tiger King, and Jenaye gives some Enneagram tips. The main reason I brought her on, though, was to give some quarantine reading suggestions, and she's got some great books to read in this season and even into the summer.

I really enjoyed talking to Jenaye. If you're looking for something to read right now, check out some of her suggestions!

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This episode is brought to you by the good folks at Donato’s Pizza here in Bowling Green. My buddy Spence Sheldon is the owner there and they’re doing great work for the community. Yesterday they gave out 600 free pizzas to members of the community. If you live in the Bowling Green area, please go support them. It’s locally-owned, the pizza is fantastic, but more importantly right now they’re still open for carry out as well as delivery with a no-contact delivery per your request. So if you’re in the Bowling Green area and wondering what to do for your next meal, give Donato’s a call.

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  • Check out Jenaye's website

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One of the hardest parts for me about the COVID-19 shutdown is that there's no baseball right now. It's just as hard for the players. This week I got to chat with Jerad Eickhoff, a fellow Evansville native and pitcher for the San Diego Padres, about how he's handling not being able to play baseball and having to head back to Evansville for the time being.

Jerad played for Philadelphia Phillies for five years before signing with the Padres this offseason, but long before that were close to being college classmates. Jerad signed with WKU after two years at Olney Central Junior College, but when he got drafted in the 15th round of 2011 Draft by the Texas Rangers, he decided to take the contract and start his professional career.

But in all seriousness, Jerad is a great guy and despite his success, he's incredibly humble and genuine. He lives in Evansville in the offseason and he's back there now, so we talked about what he's been doing to stay sharp physically and mentally, his first impressions of his new team and new teammates, the challenges of cutting Spring Training short with no startup date determined, some of his favorite moments of his career so far, and the best and worst parts about being back in Evansville for the Spring.

He also talked about what it's like as a player to be traded. This is something I've always wanted all the details on and Jerad went pretty in depth about his situation when he was traded as a minor leaguer from the Texas Rangers to the Phillies.

For this episode, we partnered with More Than Baseball, a nonprofit 501(c)(3) aimed at evaluating financial need and raising money to help minor leaguers make it through difficult financial situations.

According to MTB, before the season was suspended, minor leaguers were set to make between $1,170-$1,650 per month for five months. MTB and MLB, along with other organizations, worked together to provide a guaranteed $400 a week for minor league players through May 31, but MTB estimates at least 4,000 Minor League players are still in need of financial assistance.

I talked with Jeremy Wolf, the executive director for MTB, about what this organization is doing and how we can help, so you'll hear a short interview with him before the interview with Jerad. I encourage you to donate money to their cause if you can.

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This episode is brought to you by the good folks at Donato's Pizza here in Bowling Green. They're doing great work for the community. Yesterday they gave out 600 free pizzas. If you live in the BG area, please go support them. It's locally-owned, the pizza is fantastic, but more importantly right now they're still open for carry out as well as delivery with a no-contact delivery per your request. So if you're wondering what to do for your next meal, give Donato's a call.

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There is a lot of misinformation about and misrepresentation of the gospel amid the COVID-19 crisis. With Easter falling in the middle of it, I thought it was important to have a pastoral voice on this podcast to guide us toward some truth in this season. Gregg Farrell is the senior pastor at my church here in Bowling Green, Kentucky — Crossland Community Church — and he is truly one of the smartest Biblical teachers I've ever met.

I've been wanting to get Gregg on here since I started this show, but I wanted to wait for the right time. I'm grateful to have him on now to sort of shepherd us through all of this. We covered a lot, and if you've never gotten to hear Gregg talk, you're in for a treat. We were blessed to have Gregg officiate our wedding, and we're continuously grateful to be under his teaching each week.

We talked about churches moving to online services and churches who are refusing to cancel in-person services (6:12) and how the biggest thing people need from the church right now isn't "cool," it's consistency (9:21).

The main reason I wanted to talk to Gregg right now was to give us some Biblical context on what is happening. There are a lot of people — Christians included — who are suggesting this is the end times. They're pointing to 2 Chronicles 7:13-14, which says, "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land," and suggesting that's a prophecy of the end times.

Gregg addressed that and the conversations surrounding it (15:35).

We also talked about giving and generosity during this time, even when it might feel like the last thing on your mind (23:06), being angry with God both in general and during COVID-19 (40:28), and asking God the question, "Why?" (46:37).

Get your pen and paper ready, because you'll want to take notes.

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  • Give Gregg a follow on Twitter. He's engaging and challenging, which makes him a great follow
  • If you're looking for a church to get plugged into during quarantine, check out Crossland Community Church's website. There's programming just about every night. Earlier this year I interviewed my friends who started The Kall — a ministry for 18-30 somethings. That happens every Monday night. Every Tuesday night, Gregg teaches a group Bible Study that feels more like a seminary class. If you enjoy learning about the Greek root words of text and just learning Biblical knowledge in general, this is definitely worth checking out
  • Check out some of Gregg's past sermons, particularly the most recent series we did on Hebrews entitled Greater, which I referenced in a previous episode

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It's a weird world as a sports fan to not have any sports to watch right now. It's even harder for athletes, though, whose sport is on hold indefinitely due to COVID-19. Some have seen their careers end abruptly. This week you'll hear from Oklahoma University softball player Shannon Saile, whose senior season was canceled early because of the virus.

Every Thursday in April, I'll feature an athlete whose season or career has been affected by the Coronavirus. Whether or not you're a sports fan, my hope is that their Christ-centered outlook on a disappointing situation is something we all can apply to whatever is going on in our life. We're all impacted by this in someway. How we respond will significantly impact our mental health throughout this entire thing.

As you know, I'm a sports journalist by trade and now am a high school tennis coach. On top of that, I'm a huge sports fan, so I've got a soft spot for athletes during this time. I got a chance to talk to Shannon a few weeks ago for a story I wrote for Sports Spectrum about her getting baptized. The next day, the NCAA announced it was suspending the Spring sports season, eventually canceling it.

I love her outlook — how she knew she'd be tested and was ready for it. And if she never got to play softball again, she'd be fine, because her identity is in Christ, not softball.

“There’s much more to life than just softball,” she said. “Softball doesn’t define me. I will keep my faith regardless of the cards we are dealt. I have faith I didn’t play my last softball game this past weekend. I hope through Jesus to remain a light in people’s lives through this pandemic.”

The silver lining here is that, since we talked, the NCAA granted Spring sports athletes an extra year of eligibility, so she indeed did not play her final softball game.

But I just loved her perspective on this. Enjoy.

About Shannon Saile

  • 2019 All-Big 12 Second Team Selection
  • As a junior, she ranked second nationally in hits allowed per seven innings (3.56) and strikeouts per seven innings (11.2)
  • Transferred to Oklahoma after playing two seasons at Florida International, where she was an All-Conference USA first-team selection in 2017 and 2018, and was named 2017 Conference USA Freshman of the Year

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We're always looking for ways to find more money, aren't we? That's especially true now as many Americans have either lost their full-time job or can no longer do their side job due to COVID-19.

Art Rainer is the author of Find More Money and the host of The Money Challenge Podcast, and we talked about how to do just that. Art has some great insight on how to identify what side jobs are right for you and I like what he had to say about how your side job should compliment with your full-time job, not compete against it.

He also talked about how how to steward your money with a Godly approach when you do find more of it. This is an important conversation on its own, but it's especially important as we are in the middle of one of the most difficult financial situations in our country's history with record unemployment numbers. If your job has been impacted by COVID-19, I sincerely hope this conversation helps you and points you in a direction to help you find ways to bring in income.

If you missed my conversation with author Daniel Im on Episode 15 about his book on how the gig economy can make us weary and exhausted if we don't use it properly, I encourage you to listen to that because it pairs well with this one in looking at how we can use our side gigs to honor Jesus.

Since Art and I talked, the government passed the CARES Act, and Art put together a Q&A on his website that answers some frequently asked questions about it. I think you'll find it helpful as well.

I'll be doubling up episodes for the month of April, and every conversation is designed to address COVID-19 and our response to it in some way. I sincerely hope you'll come back every Monday for new episodes, as well as Thursday when I'll have athletes on to talk about how the virus has impacted their season or their career. As you know, I'm a tennis coach, and our season was canceled due to COVID-19, so I want to share some stories of athletes who have been impacted by this but maintain a Christ-centered perspective.

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  • Give Art a follow on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram
  • Check out The Money Challenge Podcast

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Dan Orlovsky is one of the most liked and most respected football analysts on ESPN. So much that he's even gotten calls from NFL teams gauging his interest in being an offensive coordinator.

He's also very open about his faith in Jesus and the path that led him to faith.

After a 13-year career as a quarterback in the NFL, Orlovsky transitioned to the analyst role in 2018. We got to talk about how he decided to give his life to Christ and he talked about the players who played a big role in his decision. He also opened up about his motivations early in his football career — fame, girls, status — and how that changed throughout his career and how it made him a better player and person.

Dan stays pretty busy, appearing on a number of different ESPN shows, but he was kind enough to stop and talk over the phone for about 25 minutes about his life, his career, and his job at ESPN.

Also, you'll hear me talk about this before and after my conversation with him, but my wife Emily is selling some hand soap and hand creme through Beautycounter that we are going to donate to health care workers who are fighting the battle against COVID-19 on the front lines. All you have to do is make the purchase and tell us who you want it sent to. It's simple and maybe tangibly small, but it lets these health care heroes know we appreciate their efforts to help us get our lives back to normal.

Head over to her Instagram and her Beautycounter page to learn more about how you can help.

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I'm not a parent yet, but I think it's safe to say parenting is hard. Parenting a child with special needs adds a whole new layer of challenges. Author Jamie Sumner's son Charlie has Cerebral Palsy. Her new book, Eat, Sleep, Save the World: Words of Encouragement for the Special Needs Parent, offers comfort, advice, and encouragement for other parents of children with special needs. She describes the challenges, but also the beauty, of parenting a child with special needs. I really appreciated how vulnerable and open she was both in this book and this conversation.

We recorded this a couple weeks ago before a lot of the Coronavirus craziness started to happen, so there's not much talk about that here. Maybe that's a good thing. I hope this conversation can provide some relief from the onslaught of negative news that surrounds us currently. Aside from authoring books, Jamie also contributes to the New York Times, Washington Post, and other publications.

Jamie used to be a high school English teacher, so I enjoyed talking about our teaching experiences. I definitely recommend this book, especially if you're a parent. Links Connect with Jamie on her website Follow Jamie on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram If you need to get in touch with me, give me a follow on Instagram at coleclaybourn or on Twitter @ColeClaybourn. You can also email me at innohurry@coleclaybourn.com.


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One of my favorite parts about doing this show is getting to talk to authors of books I read and enjoyed. This week I got to talk with Barnabas Piper, the author of three books, including Help My Unbelief, which is probably my favorite book I've read this year. The book centers on dealing with doubt, and why doubt is not the enemy of faith. In fact, doubt can lead us to ask questions that help us arrive at understanding God better and taking us to a deeper faith.

This is a topic that's been on my heart for several years and is the basis for my own book I'm writing. I was excited to talk to Barnabas about this book and his new book coming out in October. Barnabas is the son of prominent pastor and author John Piper, and first book, The Pastor's Kid, talks about what life was like having one of the most influential Christian men as his father.

This past week brought a year's worth of news with it with all that's happened regarding the Coronavirus, but just two weeks ago Barnabas's city of Nashville was significantly damaged by tornadoes. While it might be easy to move on to the next pressing matter, there's still work that needs to be done to rebuild in Nashville, so we talked about some of the growing needs in Nashville. We also talked about how Christians and churches can respond to the Coronavirus and how this can actually help give us some perspective on what our priorities are.

Check out Barnabas's podcast, The Happy Rant

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Visit BarnabasPiper.com to connect with him more and check out his books

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What do you do when your world as you know it is flipped upside down — when the everyday norms you're accustomed to are taken away? The Coronavirus outbreak has rattled our world, both literally and metaphorically. What we're realizing now is that our identity is wrapped up in a ton of worldly things — sports, entertainment, news, our phone. So many of our go-to distractions have either been canceled or postponed as we try to figure out how to stop the spread of COVID-19.

My church is going through a series now on Hebrews, titled Greater, and one of the prevailing themes is this idea that God is not greater than anything. He’s greater than everything. When you believe He’s greater than everything, then He’s always going to be greater your anythings.

That's true now during this weird, uncertain time that we live in and it's going to be true during the next calamity that you experience, be it societally or individually.

This is a unique opportunity for us to really slow our lives down. When horrible things like this happen to loved ones or society as a whole, we often turn to things like sports or entertainment to distract us. Even with 9/11, within days the MLB season resumed, and it was a chance for people to unify and get our minds off of what just happened.

We don’t have that opportunity now for the most part, and maybe that’s a good thing. It’s a chance to recalibrate where we place our identity and where we find our joy.

For me, that’s in Jesus. That’s my hope for you, too.

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I'm excited to introduce you all to an up-and-coming husband and wife Christian music duo this week called Know Wonder! Jo and Crystal Taeleifi live in Racho Cucamonga, California and have burst on the music scene with a couple singles — "Conquered" and "Dear Anybody."

Let me tell you, these songs are jams, and I absolutely loved getting a chance to talk to these guys. I'm already ready to fly out to California with Emily and visit them just so we can make a Target run and hang out with them. In all seriousness, I know this conversation is long, but it's so worth it. We got to talk about their music career, how they started this band, and what their mission is with it beyond the music.

They're just two down-to-earth people using their talents to serve the Lord, and I love that. Make sure you check out the links below so can find their music and stream it on your preferred platform.

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  • Visit Know Wonder's website to learn more about their music
  • Follow Know Wonder on Instagram and Facebook
  • Check out Jo's glory days from his boy band, SocialNetworkK

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Have you ever felt like you're just wandering through life? What about in your walk with Jesus? Have you ever felt like a wanderer? I definitely have, and chances are you have, too.

My guest this week is Robin Dance, author of the new book, For All Who Wander: Why Knowing God is Better Than Knowing It All. I loved her book, mainly because it's so similar to the one I'm writing and Robin and I share very similar stories. But I know her story, and this conversation, will resonate with you.

If you've ever struggled with asking God the hard questions, of not understanding everything that happens in life or wondering why it happens, you're not alone. In fact, you're in the majority.

The best part is that asking those questions can, and often does, lead you to a much stronger understanding of who God is. I can't wait for you hear this conversation.

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  • Follow Robin on Instagram @robindance.me and Twitter @robindance
  • Check out Robin's website
  • For more info on her book and how to order it, click here

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We've talked a lot about identity on this podcast and, more specifically, our identity in Christ. This week we'll get to hear from author Daniel Im about his new book, You Are What You Do (And Six Other Lies About Work, Life, & Love).

Daniel is a pastor at Beulah Alliance Church in Edmonton, Alberta and has written a couple other books — No Silver Bullets and Planting Missional Churches. His new book addresses seven lies that we are told and what causes them to be so prevalent:

  • You are what you do
  • You are what you experience
  • You are who you know
  • You are what you know
  • You are what you own
  • You are who you raise
  • You are your past

I loved this book and I'm so thankful Daniel is here to share some thoughts about it and why this book is necessary right now. If you've ever found yourself placing your identity in any of those seven lies, I cannot recommend this book enough.

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  • Visit Daniel's website for information about this book and others he's written
  • Follow Daniel on Instagram or Twitter
  • Check out the IMBetween Podcast, with Daniel and his wife Christina

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We often wonder what it would be like to hang out with some of our favorite artists. Jordon Conner has gotten to do that, and it was fun to live vicariously through him in this conversation.

Jordon is an incredibly talented photographer who, in his young career, has already impressed people so much that some of the biggest artists have asked him to shoot photos of their tours. His portfolio includes tour photos of Ben Rector, Drew Holcomb & The Neighbors, Johnnyswim, Phil Wickham, The BAND Camino, Crowder, and so much more. Pretty much if they're on my Spotify playlist, Jordon has shot photos of their shows.

We talked about how he got his start in photography, how he got hooked up with some of the biggest artists around, and what it's been like to tour the country with a camera in hand. We talked about how what these artists are like off stage, and it was great to hear that they're all genuinely good people.

Jordon also sells products featuring the phrase "Tell Your Story." As he explains on the shop's website, "every person in the world has a story to tell. I've made these products as a reminder to not be afraid to talk to new people and treat everyone with kindness because you don't know what their story is in life. Always Tell Your Story." I love that, and I love his mission behind it.

It was really cool to talk to Jordon and learn about his career and who he is as a person. Be sure to look for him at your next concert. There's a good chance he'll be there shooting photos.

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  • Check out Jordan's photography portfolio on his website
  • Shop the Tell Your Story store
  • Give Jordon a follow on Instagram or Twitter

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It's always fun when you can have friends on the podcast. This week I got to have my good friend Loren Salyer on to talk about the art of wedding photography and the discipline it takes to run and sustain your own business.

Since she was in college, Loren has been running her own photography business. She does weddings, engagements, couple shoots. Pretty much anything. Loren shot Emily and my engagement and wedding photos and we've done a number of other shoots with her as well. Pretty much any time we need nice photos taken of us, we call Loren.

She is truly one of the most talented people I know and Emily and I have gotten to become really good friends with Loren and her husband Tyler.

I'm excited to have her on to talk about creativity, but also her faith journey. She's got such a great story, from being a teenage mother to where she's at now in her life. Hearing her maturation process, both creatively and spiritually, and how that's intersected and what she's learned about God was really cool.

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  • Visit Loren's photography website
  • Give her photography Instagram a follow
  • Give her personal Instagram a follow
  • Check out the new In No Hurry Instagram!

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This is one of the most important conversations I'll ever have on this podcast.

Sarah and I connected a couple years ago over our shared experiences of grief. Sarah was the best friend of Christina Grimmie, a popular YouTube singer who also appeared on Season 6 of The Voice. Following a concert in Orlando in June 2016, Christina was tragically shot and killed during a meet and greet with fans.

As you can imagine, the last few years have been incredibly difficult for Sarah and he's processed a lot of her grief and struggles with her own faith publicly, both online and through her podcast.

When I experienced a tragic death in my own life, I reached out to Sarah, and it sparked what has become a really valuable friendship. It's been awesome getting to know her and process our own grief together. It's comforting to know that other people experience the same emotions, even when those emotions include confusion and anger toward God.

I asked Sarah to write the foreword for my book, and this conversation is a pretty good lens into both her story and mine and some truths that the book will include.

I'm so grateful you're here today for this conversation. It's not by accident.

Links

  • Follow Sarah on Instagram
  • Listen to Sarah's podcast, Shadowlands
  • If you've got questions for me or just want to comment on the show, shoot me an email at coleclaybourn@gmail.com or reach out to me on Instagram. I'd love to hear from you!

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This was such a fun episode! This week I got the chance to sit down with some friends of mine who lead worship at our church here in Bowling Green, Crossland Community Church. Aside from leading worship, last year they started a group at our church called “The Kall,” and the goal has been to bring 18-30 somethings together and build a community.

We talked about how they got the idea for this and why there’s such a need for a community in this age bracket, as well as what we see God doing with our generation and what some of the biggest challenges are that we are facing as a generation.

I know in Evansville Emily and I felt there was a need for a church group that targeted young adults into their 30s. That's exactly what this group is going for.

It was such an uplifting and encouraging conversation and I love the fire that my church has for God and this community and I love the way these guys are approaching this new year in terms of building a community.

If you live in the Bowling Green area and are in the 18-30 something age range, The Kall starts back up on Jan. 27 and goes every other Monday from 6:30-8 p.m. at Crossland Community Church. Please come!

Links

If you've got any questions, shoot me an email at coleclaybourn@gmail.com or on Instagram.

Or, give The Kall a follow as well as Tyler, Savannah, or Cameron and shoot them a question.

You can also learn more here, or email The Kall at thekall@crossland.tv.


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For most people who work in sports journalism, working at ESPN is the dream. And for most people, once they're there, the plan is to be there for their whole career.

Jason Romano was no different, until about two years ago he felt God pulling him away to do something more aligned with his faith. Jason now works for Sports Spectrum, a magazine and website that covers the intersection of sports and faith, and he is the host of the Sports Spectrum podcast.

He shares his story of faith in how he knew it was the right time to leave ESPN for Sports Spectrum, and he also lets us in on what it's like to be able to talk about faith with some of our favorite people from the sports world.

He's also the author of "Live to Forgive: Moving Forward When Those We Love Hurt Us" which is a book about his relationship with and eventual story of forgiveness toward his father. He has another book coming out in July called "The Uniform of Leadership: Lessons on True Success from My ESPN Life."

Since Jason and I talked for this interview, I've started writing some for Sports Spectrum. You can find those articles here.

Links

  • Visit Jason's website
  • Order "Live to Forgive"or pre-order "The Uniform of Leadership"here
  • Check out the Sports Spectrum Podcast
  • Follow Jason on Instagram or Twitter

Need me at all?

  • Follow me on Instagram or Twitter
  • Send me an email at coleclaybourn@gmail.com

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Whether this is your first time tuning in or you’re a regular listener, I’m so grateful you are here this week because this conversation is one of the best we’ve had. My guest this week is Stephen Copeland — an author, writer, storyteller, a good friend, and truly one of the smartest people I’ve gotten to talk to for this podcast.

Stephen is the author of “Where the Colors Blend,” and he’s co-authored numerous books with some really big people, but what I think you’re going to see is that he’s also just an incredibly knowledgable person, particularly as it pertains to spirituality and theology. This is one of the deepest and most theological conversations I’ve gotten to have on this podcast, and this feels really weird to say, but I really, really want to encourage you to stick around for the whole conversation because I know I certainly learned a lot from Stephen and I think you will too.

Pretty much every topic I hoped this podcast would cover, we did it in this episode. Stephen and I were connected through a mutual friend last summer, and we’ve realized that our stories are very similar. We talked about some of the most heavy things we deal with daily — doubt, comparison, anxiety, death — and how our faith guides us in those seasons. We talked about how to allow those seasons to motivate us creatively and use our God-given creative abilities to share our stories. Whether you’re a writer and are planning to write a book, or you just find yourself struggling to deal with some of these things, I truly hope this conversation is encouraging to you. I’m so grateful for this conversation and I’ve been so excited to share this with everyone. I hope you find this as valuable and encouraging as I did.

Links

  • Purchase "Where the Colors Blend"
  • Follow Stephen on Instagram
  • Follow Stephen on Twitter
  • Connect with Stephen on his website

Got thoughts on the show?

  • Email me at coleclaybourn@gmail.com
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It's so fun when you get to interview friends, and I'm thankful to call Clay Hassler a friend. I've known Clay and his family for pretty much my entire life, and they're some of the most talented people I've ever met, and Clay is certainly no exception.

Clay and his wife, Tif, are filmmakers who live in East Nashville, Tennessee, Nashville, TN, and they also lead a creative collective and film content studio in New York City called Wet Paint. Clay is the son of a photographer and has been around the creative arts his entire life. He's been making films since high school, but that was just the start of what has become an award-winning career so far for him.

Clay was named a “Director To Watch” by Way Too Indie following the release of his debut feature film, HOMELESS. The Hollywood Reporter wrote that the film was “incisive and sensitive… astounding.” He's now in the process of writing a new feature film called CA$HVILLE, which we talked about in the podcast.

Perhaps most importantly, though, is Clay and Tif are now parents to a beautiful baby boy named Harry, who you'll hear from a couple times in this episode. It was so fun to catch up with Clay and chat about his film career and how his faith has guided him in his work and now in fatherhood. This was also a great conversation about creative process and discipline, and how he and his wife (who is his co-producer) manager their work together while being new parents.

Clay's also got some great food and drink recommendations for Nashville if you're ever in town and we talked about some New Year's goals.

Links

  • Visit Clay's website to see his work
  • HOMELESS website
  • Follow Clay on Instagram

Got questions or suggestions for the show? Send an email to coleclaybourn@gmail.com, or leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Give me a follow on Instagram or Twitter as well and let me know what you think of the show or send me guest suggestions!


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On your feet! Brad Ellis of the Ghostrunners podcast joins me for the final episode of 2019. A few weeks ago we had Jake Triplett, who is the other co-host of Ghostrunners, and this week you get to meet Brad, who is just a genuinely good guy who also happens to be very funny. He also leads worship at his church in Kansas City and owns his own custom woodworking company, Ellis Custom Creations.

We talked about the rise of their podcast and his decision to leave a corporate job to start woodworking. Brad and I are also here to give you all some linguistic lessons and we talk about annoying things about New Year's Resolutions and how I used to have Jesse McCartney hair.

Links

  • Follow Brad and his business on Instagram: elliscustomcreations
  • Check out the Ghostrunners podcast

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Two years ago my wife and I became husband and wife. Today, she joins me on my podcast for us to celebrate our second wedding anniversary and share some of our favorite memories over the first couple years of our marriage! I'm so excited about this episode! Not only was it a lot of fun to share about our marriage, but my wife is a practicing marriage counselor, so we talked about some real-life stuff that can help young couples avoid typical stumbling blocks in marriage and build a marriage that lasts.

I'm a firm believer that marriage is not hard. Life is hard. You'll hear us talk about that in this episode because we're so tired of couples — especially young couples — being told that before marriage or even on their wedding day. Life itself is hard. Marriage brings along a partner for you to face life's trials with. Our hope is that this conversation encourages you whether you're married, engaged, dating, or just hope to get married down the road.

Interviewing your spouse is a lot harder than I thought it would be, but we had a lot of fun! Be sure to check out Emily's info below and let her know you enjoyed hearing her on the show this week!

Links:

  • Follow Emily on Instagram: emilyclaybourn
  • Shop Emily's Beautycounter page: http://bit.ly/2scMp0u
  • Follow me on Instagram: coleclaybourn

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Christmas is next week! That means we are right in the middle of the Christmas “hustle,” and I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of this season leaving so many people feeling wiped out and stressed. It’s the complete opposite of what we should be feeling this time of the year, yet we’re all running around like crazy to get shopping done or finish deadlines at work, or attending a bunch of Christmas parties. There’s just this crazy “hustle” mindset that seems to set in this time of the year and we start freaking out a little bit. What we need is some space and to just slow down.

Well friends, that is the topic of this week’s show. My guest this week is Manda Carpenter, author of the “Space” devotional. She has so much insight on this topic, so we talked a ton about slowing down this time of the year to create space in our lives and maintain balance — physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, all of it. We also talked about her new book coming out in 2021, and if you’re an aspiring author, we dove into the book writing process and she gives some really great tips on how to go about that. Manda has been a huge help to me as I’ve been writing my own book, so if you’re interested at all in writing a book, this conversation is definitely for you.

I’m excited for you all to hear this conversation because I think it’s so important to hear right now. If you know someone who thinks they’re too busy to listen to this right now, they’re probably the person who needs to hear this conversation, so be sure to tell them to listen as well.

Links:

  • Buy your copy of "Space" http://bit.ly/2tmlQGo
  • Follow Manda on Instagram mandacarpenter
  • Foster parenting resources http://bit.ly/2PsNydf
  • 5 ways to slow down this Christmas season http://bit.ly/2RVzY3G

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As most of you know, I'm a graduate of Western Kentucky University, and by nature I'm a big Hilltopper sports fan. The last two college football seasons haven't been the most exciting for WKU fans, but in the offseason the school hired Tyson Helton as its new head coach. Coach Helton comes from a coaching family and guided the Hilltoppers to an 8-4 season in his first season as a head coach, which earned WKU a berth in the Servpro First Responders Bowl vs. Western Michigan on Dec. 30 in Dallas.

Coach Helton, like any football coach, has moved around quite a bit in his coaching career. He started his career in 2000 at the University of Hawaii and worked his way up to eventually be the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for during an unprecedented run of success at WKU in 2014-15. From there he coached with his brother, Clay, at the University of Southern California for two years and last year spent the season as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Tennessee. All that moving is hard for an individual, let alone a family.

Coach Helton shared his perspective on coaching and how he balances the pressures and stress of winning and losing while also keeping his priorities of his faith and family at the top. It was a refreshing conversation. He's the kind of coach that cares just as much about players as people as he does as players. WKU football is in good hands!


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Jake Triplett is one of the funniest guys on the Internet. If you’ve ever watched a Trey Kennedy video and laughed, then you’ve laughed at Jake’s work.

Jake shoots, edits, writes, and sometimes stars in Trey’s hilarious videos, and he’s pretty funny himself. He’s had an eventful career as a videographer and has gotten to do a ton of really cool things, and a lot of these involved having faith and taking a risk.

Last year, he and two of his friends flew out to Maine and bought a limo to drive it across all of the lower 48 states doing acts of kindness with the ultimate goal of getting on the Ellen DeGeneres show. He talks about that and how he got connected with Trey Kennedy and what that’s done for his career.

He also talks about the struggles of being perpetually single, his obsession with Chick-fil-A, and if you’ve ever listened to his podcast Ghostrunners, we did a couple of popular bits from his show. He’s got a great outlook on life and brings a ton of humor to everything he does.

  • Check out the Ellen, We Bought a Limo video: http://bit.ly/2rJATsS
  • Check out Jake's YouTube page: http://bit.ly/35XLwau
  • Letter Board Training, with Trey Kennedy and Jake Triplett: http://bit.ly/2P8tcVd

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Phil Heller serves as the lead pastor at Crossroads Christian Church in Evansville, Indiana, which is also my home church. Aside from being just an all-around good dude, Phil is a tremendous man of God who returned to the church where he started his ministry, this time about 20 years later as the lead pastor. 

He was hired less than a year after the previous lead pastor was fired, and he talks about how he navigated the process of knowing it was the right job, along with the sensitivity of taking over as pastor at a church still healing from the split. He talks about issues facing the church today and what his vision is for Crossroads. 

He's just a really good guy. If you need to reach me at all, visit www.coleclaybourn.com or email me at coleclaybourn@gmail.com. You can follow me on Twitter @ColeClaybourn, or on Instagram — coleclaybourn.


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I've been a fan of Ryan's for so long and I've been lucky enough to call him a friend for several years, and I was so excited to sit down and talk to him just about life. Ryan is an incredibly talented musician and was in the popular a capella singing group Straight No Chaser. He left a life of touring and fame to lead a Young Life chapter in his hometown, so he shares his journey of leaving the world of professional entertainment to work in ministry. 

It's such a great story of faith that we can all resonate with. He's hilarious and has so much wisdom and he was an obvious choice as the guest of the first episode.

Ryan just released a new Christmas called Indiana Christmas.If you're a Hoosier like me, it's a must listen for the Christmas season. You can stream it on all digital platforms. You can find that and the rest of his music at Ryansongs.com and you can help support him by being a part of his Patreon community.


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