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Jean Gomes and Scott Allender
The Evolving Leader Podcast is a show set in the context of the world’s ‘great transition’ – technological, environmental and societal upheaval – that requires deeper, more committed leadership to confront the world’s biggest challenges. Hosts, Jean Gomes (a New York Times best selling author) and Scott Allender (an award winning leadership development specialist working in the creative industries) approach complex topics with an urgency that matches the speed of change. This show will give insights about how today’s leaders can grow their capacity for leading tomorrow’s rapidly evolving world. With accomplished guests from business, neuroscience, psychology, and more, the Evolving Leader Podcast is a call to action for deep personal reflection, and conscious evolution. The world is evolving, are you?
A little more about the hosts:
New York Times best selling author, Jean Gomes, has more than 30 years experience working with leaders and their teams to help them face their organisation’s most challenging issues. His clients span industries and include Google, BMW, Toyota, eBay, Coca-Cola, Microsoft, Warner Music, Sony Electronics, Alexander McQueen, Stella McCartney, the UK Olympic system and many others.
Award winning leadership development specialist, Scott Allender has over 20 years experience working with leaders across various businesses, including his current role heading up global leadership development at Warner Music. An expert practitioner in emotional intelligence and psychometric tools, Scott has worked to help teams around the world develop radical self-awareness and build high performing cultures.
The Evolving Leader podcast is produced by Phil Kerby at Outside © 2022
The Evolving Leader music is a Ron Robinson composition, © 2020
Available NOW wherever you get your podcasts, The Mindset Economy is the podcast from the team that brought you The Evolving Leader.
Presented by co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender, this new podcast addresses How will we work, live, and belong in a more uncertain world, where machines can think?
Our hypothesis is that as quantitative, routine, low-cognitive work is automated, human advantage will come from qualitative work, creativity, judgement, and social intelligence. The Mindset Economy podcast will explore the changes taking place, how leaders will respond to creation of a new economy being ushered in by the mass adoption of AI, and how we can accelerate human advantage.
The Mindset Economy will feature a broad diversity of voices: from leaders at the edge of this transformation to performance scientists and AI thinkers and social philosophers.
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, Jean and Scott sit down with Andy MacMillan, CEO of Alteryx, to explore how generative AI is reshaping work, leadership and organisational design. Andy shares a uniquely practical and grounded view of where companies really are with AI adoption, caught in a chaotic but exciting period where the opportunity is clear, but the scaffolding is not yet in place. He explains why AI transformation cannot be delegated to IT, how leaders should approach reimagining business processes, and why Theory of Constraints is one of the most powerful lenses for navigating the next wave of change.
Andy also opens up about the leadership challenges ahead: maintaining psychological safety in the midst of rapid technological shift, helping teams build confidence with new tools, and avoiding both complacency and panic. He shares candid lessons from his own leadership journey, the importance of transparency when organisations face change, and why the most impactful AI practices often happen at the “strategic altitude” rather than in day-to-day automation.
Further reading re. Andy MacMillan and Alteryx:
· How AI adoption is driving a new data era at Alteryx — An interview with Andy MacMillan discussing his role as CEO (appointed December 2024), Alteryx’s repositioning as an “AI Data Clearinghouse”, and his thoughts on shifting from siloed business-data systems to unified analytics.
· Alteryx Looks To Become An AI Data Powerhouse With New Unified Platform (CRN, May 2025) — MacMillan discusses the launch of the “Alteryx One” platform, a strategic move to unify analytics, data-prep and AI workflows under one roof.
· With agentic AI we are being sold on the idea of running before we can walk or crawl, says Alteryx’s Andy MacMillan (Tech Monitor, May 2025) — A leadership-focused piece where MacMillan emphasises the importance of starting with manageable AI projects, surfacing his mindset around experimentation, governance and human-machine synergy.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by Dr. Sunita Sah, a physician turned organisational psychologist and Professor of Management at Cornell University. Together they explore the power of saying “no” in a world that rewards compliance. Drawing from her acclaimed book “Defy: The Power of No in a World that Demands Yes”, Dr Sah reveals how our upbringing, institutions, and social pressures teach us to equate being “good” with being obedient, and how that conditioning can silence our values. She introduces the concept of “insinuation anxiety,” the discomfort of implying distrust when we disagree, and shares how to build the courage and skill to act in alignment with what truly matters.
For senior leaders, this conversation reframes defiance as an essential leadership practice, not rebellion, but integrity in action. Sah explains the five stages of defiance, the cost of compliance, and why organisations that cultivate psychological safety and intellectual humility outperform those that suppress challenge. It’s a thought-provoking guide to leading with authenticity, courage, and moral clarity in complex systems where it’s often easier to say yes.
Further materials from Sunita Sah:
“Defy: The Power of No in a Worlds That Demands Yes”, (Blink Publishing, February 2025)
“The science of defiance: A psychology researcher explains why people comply – and how to resist”, (The Conversations, September 2025)
“America thinks it’s a country of free thinkers. But we’re actually compliant”, (Los Angeles Times, February 2025)
“How to Say No and Mean It”, (Psychology Today, January 2025)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this thought-provoking episode of The Evolving Leader, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk with Dr Christine Rosen, senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and author of The Extinction of Experience. The conversation examines how our growing dependence on technology is subtly reshaping what it means to be human, thinning our attention, dulling empathy, and changing how we connect and make sense of the world. Drawing on history, neuroscience and cultural observation, Christine invites us to pause and consider what is the true cost of convenience, and how do we reclaim our embodied authentic experience in a digital world?
For leaders, this conversation is a wake-up call. As AI accelerates and organisations seek ever greater efficiency, Rosen argues that the future advantage will belong to those who can cultivate distinctly human capacities, presence, curiosity, and discernment. Her insights challenge us to create workplaces that strengthen, rather than outsource, our humanity.
Further materials from Christine Rosen:
‘The Extinction Of Experience’ (Jan, 2025)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this bonus episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Arjun Sahdev talk to Atif Rafiq, the first Chief Digital Officer in Fortune 500 history and former senior executive at McDonald’s, Volvo, and MGM Resorts. Now CEO and co-founder of Ritual, an AI-powered workflow platform, Atif shares how leaders can build decision-making systems that are faster, fairer, and more adaptive in an age of complexity. He explains his core principle of “exploration before alignment” and why premature agreement kills curiosity and weakens problem-solving.
Find out more about Atif Rafiq:
www.ritual.work
www.decisionsprint.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/atif1/
https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/re-wire-6765332215867031552/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this latest episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, Jean Gomes is joined by Mark Crowley, author of Lead from the Heart, to explore how emotion, belonging, and authentic care are redefining leadership for the modern world. Mark shares his remarkable personal journey, from an upbringing shaped by trauma to a career built on leading through compassion. We hear how what began as an instinctive way to give others what he never received became a philosophy now backed by neuroscience and organisational research.
Jean and Mark unpack why traditional engagement models are failing, how the science of emotion is reshaping our understanding of performance, and why belonging and care are now the greatest predictors of organisational health.
This is a powerful conversation for leaders seeking to create cultures that elevate both human well-being and business results.
Further materials from Mark Crowley:
“Don’t Measure Employee Engagement—Support Employee Well-Being” (2025, Porchlight Book Company)
“5 Leadership Strategies To Help Teams Thrive Amid Uncertainty” (2025, Fast Company)
“Leaders don’t really care about employee engagement. Here’s why” (2024, Fast Company)
“How leaders can address the human energy crisis” (2023, Fast Company)
“Lead From The Heart: Transformational Leadership For The 21st Century” (2011, Balboa Press)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to neurologist and author Adam Zeman about his latest book The Shape of Things Unseen. Together they explore how imagination helps us step outside the here and now, recall the past, and anticipate the future, and why this ability matters more than ever in a world shaped by automation and accelerating change.
Adam takes us inside the science of the mind’s eye, from aphantasia (the inability to visualise) to hyperphantasia (imagery as vivid as reality), and unpacks what these differences reveal about creativity, culture and leadership. This conversation offers practical insights for leaders on cultivating imagination within organisations, the role of daydreaming in innovation, and how to create environments where ideas can flourish.
Further materials from Adam Zeman:
Zeman, A. (2025). The Shape of Things Unseen: A New Science of Imagination. Bloomsbury.
Zeman, A., Milton, F., Della Sala, S. (2024). “Aphantasia and Hyperphantasia: Exploring imagery vividness extremes.” Cortex, 170, 1–14.
Zeman, A. (2024). “Aphantasia: The science of visual imagery absence.” Trends in Cognitive Sciences, 28(3), 189–200.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Sara Deschamps sit down with Dr. Gabriele Rizzo, a global authority on strategic foresight who has advised NATO, the US Space Force and major government institutions. The conversation explores how leaders can shift their relationship with the future, moving from prediction and short-termism to building resilience and long-term value. Gabriele shares the laws of foresight, why multiple futures matter, and how to use practical tools like scenario planning and futures wheels to unlock new thinking in times of uncertainty.
This conversation is a guide to making space for future relevance. Gabriele Rizzo challenges the listener to see the unknown not as danger but as potential, and to build organisations capable of disruptive innovation rather than defending the status quo. Whether you’re leading through transformation, wrestling with the implications of AI, or seeking to balance immediate performance with long-term impact, this conversation offers practical and thought-provoking insights into how foresight can become a critical leadership advantage.
Further materials from Gabriele Rizzo
Longviews.ai
Foresight Kitchen
HR Futures 2030: A Design for Future-Ready Human Resources
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Twitter @Evolving_Leader
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Sir David Spiegelhalter, one of the world’s foremost authorities on risk and probability. David explains why embracing uncertainty, rather than trying to eliminate it is essential for leaders who want to build resilience and make better judgments in complex times.
Drawing from his latest book “The Art of Uncertainty”, David shares stories that bring statistics to life, from forecasting failures to the importance of imagination and red-team thinking. This conversation offers both a challenge and a toolkit: how to hold authority while admitting doubt, how to communicate risk with clarity, and how to lead teams toward what he calls ‘safe uncertainty’.
Further materials from David Spiegelhalter:
Five Rules For Evidence Communication
The art and science of uncertainty - with David Spiegelhalter (recorded at the Royal Institution, 30 January 2025)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Twitter @Evolving_Leader
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Emma Sinclair sit down with Icelandic author, sustainability leader and entrepreneur Hrund Gunnsteinsdottir to explore how intuition can guide leaders through times of uncertainty and noise. Drawing from her book INSÆI: Icelandic Wisdom for Turbulent Times and her acclaimed documentary InnSæi: The Power of Intuition, Hrund shares how reconnecting with our inner compass helps us balance rational analysis with intuitive insight, creativity and emotional intelligence. From her own experience of burnout to lessons on presence, journaling, and attention, she reveals how leaders can cultivate deeper self-awareness and resilience.
This conversation goes beyond abstract theory, showing how intuition plays a vital role in decision-making, relationships, and leadership culture. Hrund explains how being present allows us to listen more fully, connect with others, and sense opportunities we might otherwise miss. If you are navigating complexity, seeking clarity in uncertainty, or wanting to integrate wisdom and creativity into your leadership practice, this episode offers practical tools and profound inspiration.
Further references
“Listen to Your Intuition — It Can Help You Navigate the Future”
https://www.ted.com/talks/hrund_gunnsteinsdottir_listen_to_your_intuition_it_can_help_you_navigate_the_future
“How to tap into your intuition: a live meditation with Hrund Gunnsteinsdóttir”
https://tedxlondon.com/podcasts/how-to-tap-into-your-intuition-a-live-meditation-with-hrund-gunnsteinsdottir/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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What does it really mean to be a great decision-maker, and why is this skill so often left to chance?
In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender sit down in person with Jon Bircher, decision coach and former strategy consultant, to explore why decision-making is rarely taught, and how we can do it better. Jon shares insights from his coaching work with senior leaders who often feel confident in solo decisions, but struggle in collaborative settings. We talk about why so many decisions get stuck in ambiguity, how emotion and gut feeling play a role, and how leaders can build conditions for more thoughtful, inclusive, and reflective decision-making.
This is a conversation about slowing down to ask better questions, experimenting with new ways of thinking, and developing a decision-making practice that’s fit for the complexity of leadership today.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, Jean Gomes is joined by Sir Andrew Likierman, former Dean of London Business School and one of the world’s leading experts on judgment. Drawing from decades of research across business, government, medicine, and the military, Andrew breaks down what judgment really is: the combination of personal qualities, relevant knowledge, and lived experience applied to a particular decision.
Together, they explore:
· Why judgment is not the same as intelligence or expertise
· The six components that shape every decision
· How to spot (and avoid) bad judgment
· The rising importance of human judgment in the age of AI
· Practical ways leaders can develop and embed better judgment in their teams
Whether you're leading through uncertainty or navigating complex decisions, this episode offers essential insights into what makes judgment a critical (and trainable) human advantage.
Referenced during this episode:
‘Judgement at Work: Making Better Choices’ (A Likierman, 2025)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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“Sleep is intrinsic to every aspect of our waking life.” (Dr Guy Leschziner)
In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair delve into the biological roots of our most human behaviours with Professor Guy Leschziner, neurologist and author of The Seven Deadly Sins: The Biology of Being Human. From the neuroscience behind gluttony, anger and pride to the unpredictable nature of envy and the myth of free will, Guy offers a powerful reframing of how biology shapes leadership, judgement, and motivation. He also shares essential sleep research and practical guidance that every leader should hear, particularly those running on too little rest and too much pressure.
Whether you're leading through complexity or seeking to better understand the hidden forces that shape your thinking and responses, this conversation offers insight into how our brains construct reality and how leaders can respond with greater empathy, adaptability and presence.
Leadership #Neuroscience #GuyLeschziner #EvolvingLeader #SleepScience #CognitiveDiversity #AdaptiveLeadership #SevenDeadlySins #ExecutiveWellbeing #FreeWill #Motivation #Neurobiology #Empathy #DecisionMaking
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As the world gets hotter, how is it changing our brains? In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by neuroscientist and author Clayton Aldern to explore how environmental shifts (especially climate change) are quietly reshaping our minds, behaviours, and capacity for decision-making. Drawing from his acclaimed book The Weight of Nature, Clayton explains how heat, trauma, and ecological instability are influencing everything from memory and empathy to aggression and judgement.
This isn’t just a conversation about climate change, it’s about what it means to be human in a rapidly changing world. Jean, Scott, and Clayton dig into the science behind our evolving mental states and offer a compelling call to rethink our relationship with the environment, not just to save the planet, but to preserve our own mental wellbeing. This is a conversation every leader should hear.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by renowned philosopher and theologian Alister McGrath to explore one of the most timeless and urgent questions: Why do we believe? Drawing on insights from his new book, Why We Believe: Finding Meaning in Uncertain Times, McGrath reflects on the nature of belief, the human need for meaning, and how our convictions shape who we are and how we lead.
The conversation takes us from McGrath’s early journey through science and Marxism to his later embrace of faith, to the cultural forces shaping our beliefs today from post-truth politics to techno-optimism. The episode explores how leaders can navigate complexity and uncertainty with grounded beliefs, curiosity, and empathy without succumbing to dogma or paralysis.
Whether you consider yourself a person of faith, reason, or somewhere in between, this episode invites you to reflect more deeply on what sustains you and how those beliefs can help you thrive in a rapidly evolving world.
Referenced during this episode:
Why We Believe: Finding Meaning In Uncertain Times (McGrath, 2025)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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What if leadership isn’t just about performance, but about character?
In this episode of The Evolving Leader, we’re joined by Dr. Ed Brooks, Executive Director of the Oxford Character Project and co-editor of the new book The Arts of Leading. With hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair, Ed explores how cultivating human character, hope, courage, humility, and clarity, can provide the deep stability today’s leaders urgently need.
We discuss the difference between optimism and hope, why virtues like kindness and creativity are underrated in leadership, and how the arts and humanities reveal untold stories of leadership that challenge traditional views. From Plato’s cave to the quiet leadership of community organisers, Ed shares how rethinking what (and who) we value in leadership can reshape organisations and ourselves.
Referenced during this episode:
Leading With Character
Oxford Character Project
Good Leadership in UK Business Report
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this compelling episode of The Evolving Leader, we sit down with Mike Mears, former CIA leadership head and author of "Certainty: How Great Bosses Can Change Minds and Drive Innovation." Mike shares powerful insights from his extraordinary career – from his days as a combat platoon leader and nuclear missile commander to his transformative work at GE and the CIA. Discover how his relentless curiosity led him to question conventional leadership practices, the pivotal moments that reshaped his approach, and the lessons he's learned about inspiring teams in a world driven by uncertainty.
How can leaders inspire and motivate in a world driven by uncertainty? Join us as we explore the habits, mindsets, and actionable insights that can transform how you lead and connect with your team.
Further reading from Mike Mears:
Certainty. How Great Bosses Can Change Minds and Drive Innovation:
https://www.certaintyleadershipbook.com/
Mike Mears’s Website:
https://www.mikemears.biz
Mike Mears’s Leadership Newsletter:
https://landing.mailerlite.com/webforms/landing/i5b5t0
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast
Twitter @Evolving_Leader
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It's no secret that the world is changing rapidly (perhaps faster than many of us appreciate) and this demands a new kind of leadership. But is your ego holding back your ability to evolve and lead effectively?
In this episode, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with business philosopher, consultant and author of ‘Ego Flip: How to Reset Your Leadership Life’, James Woodcock. The conversation goes beyond theory, exploring practical ways to understand your own perspective and offers simple, actionable ideas like the ‘one breath rule’ and ‘noticing thinking’.
If you're interested in understanding how ego shapes not just individuals but also organizations and how leadership can evolve for the future, this episode offers valuable insights on how to potentially reset your leadership life.
Referenced during this episode:
EgoFlip (J Woodcock, 2024)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
Social:
Instagram @evolvingleader
LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast
Twitter @Evolving_Leader
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In this bonus episode of The Evolving Leader, host Jean Gomes speaks with Damian Lowe, a senior software engineer at Symphony AI. They discuss how many of us have moved beyond the initial reactions to services like ChatGPT towards a current phase focused on experimenting, learning, and building. Damian shares that for programmers, AI tools like large language models (LLMs) are already providing a tangible 10-20% productivity gain for tasks like code suggestions and reviews, noting that both the technology and human adaptation are still maturing. However he adds that while AI excels at basic or medium tasks, its performance degrades quickly at higher complexity levels, often producing "nonsense," and he emphasizes that effective adaptation requires not just better prompting, but a crucial understanding of the difference between how machines "think" (based on probabilities) and how humans think.
Looking ahead, Damian is optimistic that within 3-5 years AI could make many jobs significantly easier, potentially reducing "grunt work" and fostering more creativity through effective human-machine collaboration. He underscores the importance for leaders in helping teams understand AI's capabilities and limits, encouraging experimentation, and stresses the need to maintain critical thinking and human skills alongside AI adoption.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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This week on The Evolving Leader is a double celebration – after more than 4 years and 190 episodes, we are thrilled to release our first in-person episode where co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender (usually sat thousands of miles apart) were together with guest, the renowned science writer Caroline Williams. Long term listeners will remember that we spoke to Caroline way back in season 2, and we are so pleased that Caroline agreed to come back and talk to us again, this time about her work around the science of interoception and her new book Inner Sense.
Reading from Caroline Williams:
Inner Sense: How the New Science of Interoception Can Transform Your Health
Move: How the New Science of Body Movement Can Set Your Mind Free
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Nicky Lowe.
Nicky started her career working for a Silicon Valley tech company during the lead up to Y2K, where the financial rewards were great but for many their own wellbeing was secondary. After having her first child Nicky experienced burnout on her return to work, as she says ‘underestimating the psychosocial factors that impact women - especially mothers in the workplace’. Nicky became extremely curious as to what had happened and as a result reimagined her approach to her career and motherhood - learning what it takes to thrive both as a leader, mother and woman and for the last 20 years, Nicky has been an executive coach specialising in helping her clients achieve success in their lives without sacrificing their health or wellbeing.
Referenced during this episode:
https://luminate-group.co.uk/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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During this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender discuss the pervasive issue of misinformation and its implications for society with Professor Sander van der Linden. Sander is Professor of Social Psychology in Society in the Department of Psychology at the University of Cambridge and Director of the Cambridge Social Decision-Making Lab and has also held posts at Princeton and Yale University. His research interests centre around the psychology of human judgment and decision-making and in particular he is interested in the social influence and persuasion process and how people are influenced by (mis)information and how they can gain resistance to persuasion through psychological inoculation.
Sander is also interested in the psychology of conspiracy theories, extremism and radicalization, (digital) media effects, social networks, polarization, and the emergence of social norms, reasoning about evidence, and public understanding of risk and uncertainty. He has published around 175 papers and is ranked among the top 1% of all social scientists worldwide.
In 2023, Sander’s book ‘FOOLPROOF: Why Misinformation Infects Our Minds and How to Build Immunity’ was published.
Referenced during this episode:
https://foolproofbook.com
https://inoculation.science/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this bonus episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, host Scott Allender talks to Enneagram Practitioner, Leadership Consultant, and Author Stephanie Barron Hall. During the episode, Stephanie explains what the Enneagram is, how people new to the Enneagram might approach it and how it can be applied to teams in the workplace.
Stephanie is the author of 'Enneagram In Real Life - Find Your Type and Take Steps Toward Growth'
Further reading from Stephanie Barron Hall:
Get your copy of Enneagram in Real Life https://www.ninetypes.co/enneagram-in-real-life
Find Your Enneagram Type: https://www.ninetypes.co/find-your-enneagram-type
Listen to the Enneagram in Real Life Podcast: https://www.enneagramirl.com/
Learn more about team sessions: https://www.ninetypes.co/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast
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During this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Dr Marc Brackett. As the founding director of the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence, Marc is professor in the Child Study Center at Yale, and author of the best-selling book 'Permission to Feel'. Marc’s next book ‘Dealing With Feeling – Use Your Emotions to Create the Life You Want’ is due for release in September 2025.
An award-winning researcher for 25 years, Marc has published 175 scholarly articles on the role of Emotional Intelligence in learning, decision making, creativity, relationships, physical and mental health, and workplace performance. He is also the lead developer of RULER, an evidence-based approach to social and emotional learning (SEL) that has been adopted by over 5,000 schools across the globe, improving the lives of millions of children and adults.
In addition to being featured frequently across media outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Good Morning America and more, Marc is also in demand as a keynote speaker and is co-founder of Oji Life Lab, a corporate learning firm that develops innovative digital learning systems for emotional intelligence.
Referenced during this episode:
‘How We Feel’ app: https://howwefeel.org/
‘Dealing With Feelings’ webcast: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRM-kVGeBRqdXAf7q7ut91HZQlfZSx_VX&si=oLRQ11SXM1GqTEgC
‘Permission to Feel: Unlock the power of emotions to help yourself and your children thrive’ (Quercus, 2019) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Permission-Feel-emotions-yourself-children/dp/1787478815/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair talk to CEO and Executive Transition advisor Ty Wiggins. He advises leading companies on leadership transitions and executive onboarding to ensure the accelerated paths to effectiveness and is one of only a handful of people globally with a PhD in senior leadership transitions. Ty is the author of ‘The New CEO – Lessons From CEOs on How to Start Well and Perform Quickly’ (Wiley, 2024).
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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During this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Professor Neil Lawrence. Neil is one of the world’s most influential thinkers on the future of machine intelligence and the implications of what it means to be human. He’s the DeepMind Professor of Machine Learning at the University of Cambridge and a Visiting Professor at the University of Sheffield. In his book ‘The Atomic Human’, he explores the differences between AI and human intelligence. For three years (2016 – 2019) Neil was also Director of Machine Learning at Amazon.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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During this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Anant Nyshadham who’s work includes studying the effectiveness of firms in developing countries with the intention of accelerating economic development. Anant is an associate Professor in the Business Economics and Public Policy area of the Ross School of Business at the University of Michigan and a research associate of the National Bureau of Economic Research. He is also an affiliate of BREAD, which is a nonprofit dedicated to research and scholarship in development economics. And he is a research affiliate of the IGC, a J-PAL affiliated professor and an affiliate of the Montreal Partnership for Human Resource Management.
Anant is also co-founder and chief strategy officer of the Good Business Lab, a nonprofit seeking to promote investment in worker welfare as a business imperative. His work focuses on enterprise, firm and worker characteristics and decision-making like labour contracting and worker training and managerial quality and the resulting performance dynamics, particularly in developing countries.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this bonus episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Sara Deschamps and Arjun Sahdev are in conversation with Tricia Brouk.
Tricia is a dynamic director, producer, author and speaker who specializes in empowering leaders to find their voice and tell their stories. She is also the founder of The Big Talk Academy, where she helps individuals master the art of public speaking and storytelling and over 30 years she has directed numerous award-winning films and theatrical productions.
Known for her innovative approach to communication, Tricia combines her expertise in performance with a passion for personal growth, guiding clients to captivate audiences and make a lasting impact. Her work has been featured in prestigious platforms, and she is a sought-after speaker and mentor.
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Professor Deborah Ancona about the importance of X-teams. These are a brand of team that emphasizes external outreach to stakeholders, extensive ties, expandable tiers, and flexible membership. The resulting X-teams are not only are able to adapt in ways that traditional teams are not, but they actually improve an organization’s ability to produce creative ideas and execute them increasing entrepreneurial and innovative capacity.
During the conversation Deborah highlights the shift from traditional team structures to distributed leadership, where leadership is distributed across all levels. She also explores the concept of "family ghosts," which are behaviours and attitudes formed in childhood that influence leadership and stresses the importance of creating a sense of belonging, vision, and innovation in leadership to navigate today's rapidly changing world.
In 2007 Deborah and Henrik Bresman wrote the book ‘X-Teams: How To Build Teams That Lead, Innovate, And Succeed’.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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To kick off 2025, we’re releasing a conversation that Evolving Leader co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Mark Weinstein. Mark is a tech entrepreneur, contemporary thought leader, privacy expert and one of the inventors of social networking. His work around social media, privacy, AI, free speech antitrust and protecting children online is widely published in publications including the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Fox, CNN and the BBC (to name but a few).
Mark has been listed as one of the ‘Top 8 Minds in Online Privacy’ and his book ‘Restoring Our Sanity Online’ was published in September 2024.
In this conversation, Mark talks about the profound impact of social media on society, politics and well-being, highlighting the shift from Web 1.0 to Web 2.0 where users became the product, leading to surveillance capitalism.
This is an important listen.
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Back in 2020, we released a two-part conversation (S1 Ep15 and 16) with neuroscientist Dr Lisa Feldman Barrett. We’re long-time admirers of Lisa’s work and were thrilled that she agreed to join co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender to discuss her work on The Evolving Leader podcast. It’s also clear that Lisa Feldman Barrett’s work is a big hit with our listeners as four years after release these two episodes continue to sit at the top of our listener chart, so here we’ve decided to pull them together into a special extended episode.
Lisa Feldman Barrett is profoundly changing our understanding of the brain and in particular, our emotions. Since the ancient philosophers, and into our last century of scientific endeavour, emotions have been seen as hard-wired responses to external stimuli, located in specific regions of the brain. Lisa’s work has over-turned this age-old model which shapes everything from our current beliefs about emotional intelligence to facial recognition software widely being deployed around the world.
Beyond this extended conversation, you’ll find more of Lisa Feldman Barrett’s work in her two books, Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain (2020) and How Emotions are Made (2017), as well as hundreds of peer reviewed scientific papers appearing in Science, Nature Neuroscience and other top journals in psychology and cognitive neuroscience.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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This week on The Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender spend an hour with Salim Ismail. In 2011, Salim Ismail co-wrote ‘Exponential Organizations’, a book that has since been widely read by CEOs who are looking for a new way to navigate uncertainty and embrace disruptive technologies and business models. In 2023 Salim and his co-authors updated the book and during this conversation he talks to Jean and Scott about ‘Exponential Organizations ExO 2.0’.
Salim is also the founder and chairman of OpenExO which helps companies implement the ExO playbook. He is a serial entrepreneur, the Founding Executive Director of Singularity University and serves on the board of the XPRIZE Foundation, and all of that is really just scratching the surface as to the work that Salim Ismail is part of.
Topics covered during this conversation include:
Core Principles of Exponential Organizations
The Exponential Mind Map and Hyper Scaling
Challenges and Successes in Adopting Exponential Organizations
The Role of Purpose in Exponential Organizations
The Impact of AI on Organizations
Navigating the Unknown and Embracing Technology
The Future of Leadership and Institutional Evolution
Referenced during this episode:
https://salimismail.com/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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During this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Dr Dacher Kelter. Dacher is a professor of psychology at UC Berkeley and the director of the Greater Good Science Center. His pioneering research focuses on the cultural and evolutionary origins of compassion, awe, love, beauty, power, social class and social inequality. He has over 200 scientific publications and has written several books, the latest of which is Awe - The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How it Can Transform Your Life. In this book, Dr. Keltner investigates the elusive emotion of awe - and presents incredible research on how the emotion of Awe can transform our brains and bodies, and how we can cultivate more experiences of awe in our everyday lives.
Referenced during this episode:
Greater Good In Action - https://ggia.berkeley.edu/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode, we’re delighted to welcome Susie Alegre back to The Evolving Leader. Susie is a leading human rights barrister at the internationally renowned Garden Court Chambers. She has been a legal pioneer in digital human rights, in particular the impact of artificial intelligence on the human rights of freedom of thought and opinion and she is also Senior Research Fellow at the University of Roehampton.
Artificial intelligence is starting to shape every aspect of our daily lives, from how we think to who we love, and in her latest book ‘Human Rights, Robot Wrongs, Being Human in the Age of AI’ Susie Alegre explores the ways in which artificial intelligence threatens our fundamental human rights – including the rights to life, liberty and fair trial; the right to private and family life; and the right to free expression – and how we protect those rights.
This is an important listen for us all.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Have you ever wanted to travel through time and see what your life will be like in the future? While we want the best possible future for ourselves, we often fail to make decisions that would make that a reality. So why are so many of us so disconnected from our future selves?
This week on The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to psychologist Professor Hal Hershfield. Hal is Professor of Marketing, Behavioural Decision Making, and Psychology at UCLA’s Anderson School of Management and is committed to the work of helping people make better long-term decisions. In his 2023 book ‘Your Future Self: How to Make Tomorrow Better Today’ Hal explains that in our minds, our future selves often look like strangers. Many of us view the future as incredibly distant, making us more likely to opt for immediate gratification that disregards the health and wellbeing of ourselves in the years to come. He says that people who are able to connect with their future selves, however, are better able to balance living for today and planning for tomorrow.
This is a fascinating listen.
Referenced during this episode:Your Future Self: How to Make Tomorrow Better Today
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Are you feeling stuck? Finding your purpose changes everything.
During this new episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-host Jean Gomes talks to self-confessed purpose nerd James Glover. James is the founder of The Excitable Soul, an organisation through which he and his team address the challenge that is helping people find their purpose. James is a World Champion athlete and a former Olympic performance coach, and after leaving elite sport he has worked all over the world with large organisations including Google, Microsoft and Sky helping them invest in their people and nurture a happier, stronger workforce. James is also the host of the Excitable Soul podcast (on which both Jean and Scott have been guests).
Referenced during this episode:The Excitable Soul - https://theexcitablesoul.com/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Steve Rader is a leader in the thinking behind open innovation, open talent, and the future of work. In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, Steve joins Evolving Leader cohosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender to share how leaders can learn from his important work and use their learnings to solve complex problems. Steve tells us that open innovation and open talent are key strategies for organisations to stay competitive in a rapidly changing world.
References from this episode:
"Co-Intelligence: Living and Working with AI" by Ethan Mollick (April 2024)
RapidMiner (https://altair.com/altair-rapidminer)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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What happens when everything changes, when your core assumptions about your life and work seem no longer to hold true? A key responsibility of the leader is to be honest with themselves and others about anticipating, accepting and preparing for new realities while acknowledging that human beings often resist reality in ingenious and self deceiving ways.
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Sharath Jeevan O.B.E. about his work helping leaders confront inflection moments where the external environment poses a significant threat or opportunity to an organisation’s business model. Sharath has also written two books “Inflection: A Roadmap for Leaders at a Crossroads” (2024) and “Intrinsic: A Manifesto to Reignite our Inner Drive” (2021) and teaches leadership at both Oxford and Cambridge universities.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender welcome back former guest science writer David Robson. David is an award-winning science writer specialising in the extremes of the human brain, body and behaviour. He has worked as editor of New Scientist and BBC Future, and his writing has been published in The Guardian, the Observer, the Washington Post and Atlantic and in 2022 was a finalist for the Best British Science Journalist of the year award. He has written three books including The Intelligence Trap (2019), The Expectation Effect (2022) for which he won a British Psychological Society Book Award and his latest book The Laws of Connection (2024).
During this conversation David shares the importance of social connection for physical health and well-being. He explores the concept of the liking gap, where people underestimate how much others like them, and the physiological effects of loneliness. This highlights the need for prioritizing social connection and provides practical strategies for building and deepening relationships.
Referenced during this episode:
The Laws of Connection: 13 Social Strategies That Will Transform Your Life
David Robson’s website
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Kim Scott. Kim is the author of the best selling ‘Radical Candor, How To Get What You Want by Saying What You Mean’ (2017), ‘Just Work: How to Confront Bias, Prejudice and Bullying to Build a Culture of Inclusivity’ (2021) and the more recently published ‘Radical Respect, How to Work Together Better’ (2024). Kim was a CEO coach at Dropbox, Qualtrix and Twitter and she hosts the Radical Candor and Radical Respect podcast.
Referenced during this episode:
Radical Candor, How To Get What You Want by Saying What You Mean
Radical Respect, How to Work Together Better
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Richard Fith-Godbehere back in March 2023 (S5 Ep15).
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How the Way You Feel Builds the World You Know with Richard Firth-GodbehereIn this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Richard Firth-Godbehere. Richard is one of the world's leading experts on disgust and emotions, he is an independent researcher and consultant in the history, language, science and philosophy of emotions, and author of ‘A Human History of Human Emotion – How the Way We Feel Built the World We Know’.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Anil Seth back in November 2021 (S3 Ep11).
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Dissolving the Central Mystery of Life with Anil SethFor years explaining exactly how our brains conjure subjective conscious experience has been described by cognitive scientists as ‘the hard problem’. In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Professor Anil Seth, professor of cognitive and computational neuroscience at the University of Sussex whose book (Being You, Faber 2021) continues this exploration, proposing an idea of the human mind as a “highly evolved prediction machine”, rooted in the functions of the body and “constantly hallucinating the world and the self” to create reality.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Dr Ellen Langer back in December 2023 (S6 Ep11).
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The Mind And Body Are One Thing
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to the mother of mindfulness, Dr Ellen Langer. Dr Langer is a Professor of Psychology at Harvard and for over 40 years has studied Mindlessness/Mindfulness, concluding that mindfulness (without meditation) results in improved health, well-being and improved relationships. She has written over 200 research articles and 13 books, the most recent of which is The Mindful Body (2023). Dr Langer is also a gallery exhibiting artist.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Philip Clarke back in November 2021 (S3 Ep9).
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What Makes A Pioneer?
“It’s clear that we have a massive problem in the way that we run our biggest and most powerful organisations.”
Listen as co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Philip Clarke, founder and CEO of strategic innovation consultancy Hunch, podcast host and author, about the eight pioneer principles needed to change the world.
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Are you a leader who loves to read fiction but rarely finds time to do so?
In this bonus episode, guest host Sara Deschamps talks to Melanie Bell about the intersection between reading fiction and heightened creativity, how fiction can help broaden your openness to and awareness of different points of views, and how impactful creating a community over shared literary experiences has been for the leaders who come together every month.
Enjoy this short bonus episode of The Evolving Leader podcast.
Leaders Who Fiction
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Ed Lu back in March 2021 (S2 Ep7).
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What does 10x leadership look like? Ed Lu. Astronaut, Entrepreneur, Protector of Planet EarthIn this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by Ed Lu, astronaut, pioneer engineer and potentially future saviour of planet Earth. Ed tells us about his experiences on two space shuttle missions, his time on the international space station following the tragic loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia, his time at Google and his work as co-founder of the B612 Foundation where the mission is to save Earth from an asteroid collision. Ed embodies leadership to his core in the most inspiring way.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-host Jean Gomes had with Kevin Kelly back in September 2021 (S3 Ep2).
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The Next 15 Years with Kevin KellyIn this episode our guest is Senior Maverick at Wired Magazine, Kevin Kelly. Kevin co-founded Wired in 1993 and served as its executive editor until 1999. He is also editor and publisher of the Cool Tools website and is the former editor/publisher of the Whole Earth Review. Kevin Kelly has written several bestselling books including ‘New Rules for the New Economy’, ‘What Technology Wants’ and his most recent book ‘The Inevitable’.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Aidan McCullen back in July 2021 (S2 Ep25).
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The Undisruptable Mindset with Aidan McCullenThis week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to transformation consultant, keynote speaker, author, host of the Innovation Show and retired internal rugby player Aidan McCullen about how he transformed himself from unpromising athlete into successful international rugby player, and then into a digital business leader and thought leader.
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Disruptive Thinking with Emma Sinclair and Emily ClementsIn this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean and Scott hand the mic to Emma Sinclair who talks to cognitive neuroscientist Dr Emily Clements. As part of her PhD at Kings College, London Emily led one of the world’s first studies into the neuroscience of entrepreneurship. She aims to uncover what might be different within entrepreneur’s brains and how we might develop our mindsets to become more entrepreneurial?
Sit back and listen to this fascinating conversation during which Emma and Emily explore a key foundation for tomorrow’s leaders, building mindsets to navigate uncertainty and improve their capacity for disruptive thinking.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with neuroscientist Mark Solms back in April 2021 (S2 Ep14).
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“What is consciousness?” with Mark Solms
This week, the Evolving Leader podcast talks to one of the world’s leading neuroscientists, Mark Solms. Most widely known for his discovery of the brain mechanisms of dreaming and his psychoanalytic methods in contemporary neuroscience, Solms’ research has taken him and his teams to a surprising source – not the evolved part of our brain responsible for memory, decision making and creativity, but the ancient parts. His hypothesis is that the origins of consciousness stem from bodily feeling and then emotion seated in the brain stem. If he’s right, the implications on the prevailing notions of what it is to be a human are profound.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Steve Ingham back in October 2021 (S3 Ep7).
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Steve Ingham - Pioneering Performance Scientist
Talking to Jean and Scott this week is Steve Ingham, one of the world’s most successful performance scientists. Steve has worked with over one thousand elite athletes, and over 200 of those (including Dame Jessica Ennis-Hill, Sir Steve Redgrave and Sir Matthew Pinsent) have gone on to achieve World or Olympic medal success.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Sally Bolton back in March 2021 (S2 Ep6).
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Heritage and Innovation at Wimbledon with CEO Sally Bolton
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Wimbledon CEO, Sally Bolton. Sally shares some of the leadership challenges that she has faced during her first 12 months as CEO of one of the world’s most prestigious sporting events, a year in which she had to take the decision to cancel the tournament for the first time since WWII due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Cath Bishop back in March 2021 (S2 Ep9).
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Rethinking Winning with Cath BishopDuring this episode, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Cath Bishop, former world champion and Olympic silver medal winning rower, and conflict diplomat who worked in some of the world’s most challenging regions including Bosnia and Iraq. In October 2020, Cath's first book "The Long Win: The Search for a Better Way to Succeed" was published and listed by the Financial Times as one of the best business books of 2020.
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Robert Swan back in June 2021 (S2 Ep21).
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2041: The Mission to Save Antarctica with Robert Swan
Robert Swan is a polar environmentalist, author and founder of 2041, a company that is dedicated to the preservation of Antarctica. The year 2041 is hugely important as it marks the end of a 50 year treaty that was signed by almost every nation designating Antarctica as ‘a natural reserve land for science and peace’ as well as placing a ban on mining and mineral exploration for that period. Each year, Robert takes groups of climate scientists, business leaders and students to see first hand the effects of climate change on the region.
Sit back and listen as Robert shares what he has learnt about leadership, and his mission to increase awareness and create a community of leaders willing to take action.
https://2041foundation.org/
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This short comes from a conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Sir John Kay back in June 2021 (S2 Ep19).
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Distinguishing Risk and Uncertainty with John KayIn this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to John Kay, one of the world’s leading economists, whose life’s work is focused on the relationship between economics and businesses. Together with Mervyn King, former Governor of the Bank of England, he wrote Radical Uncertainty about the impoverished approach many economists and business strategists take regarding risk in the face of uncertainty. In this conversation we get a wealth of insight about the judgement challenges facing leaders today and into the future.
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This short comes from a two part conversation that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Dr Lisa Feldman Barrett back in December 2020 (S1 Ep15 and 16).
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How emotions are made with Lisa Feldman Barrett (Pt 1)How emotions are made with Lisa Feldman Barrett (Pt 2)
Lisa Feldman Barrett is among the top 0.1% most cited scientists in the world for her revolutionary research in psychology and neuroscience. Distinguished Professor of Psychology at Northeastern University, and Chief Science Officer for the Center for Law, Brain and Behaviour at Harvard, Lisa Feldman Barrett, is profoundly changing our understanding of the brain and in particular, our emotions. Since the ancient philosophers, and into our last century of scientific endeavor, emotions have been seen as hard-wired responses to external stimuli, located in specific regions of the brain. Lisa’s work has over-turned this age-old model which shapes everything from our current beliefs about emotional intelligence to facial recognition software widely being deployed around the world.
Lisa Feldman Barrett has written two books, Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain (2020) and How Emotions are Made (2017), as well as hundreds of peer reviewed scientific papers appearing in Science, Nature Neuroscience and other top journals in psychology and cognitive neuroscience.
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We’re excited to launch this new Evolving Leader mini-series, ‘The Inner Canvas’ co-hosted by our research colleagues psychologist Emma Sinclair and Neuroscientist Dr Emily Clements. In each episode, Emma and Emily talk to pioneering scientists about new breakthroughs in our understanding as to how we make sense of ourselves, painting a picture of the internal canvas that our mind creates. As a result we’ll learn more about our mindset and why it matters, and continue on our journey as evolving leaders.
In this first episode, Emma and Emily are joined by Dr Nadine Dijkstra, Senior Research Fellow at the Department for Imaging Neuroscience, University College London. Nadine’s research on the reality threshold was featured as one of the top three scientific breakthroughs of 2023 and leads us to question whether a lot of what we see in the world is actually constructed in our brains, at which point we might give ourselves that reality check and ask ourselves if our interpretation is really correct. In other words, are your experiences the same as everyone else’s or is the way you think, feel and see unique to you?
We’ll be releasing the next conversation in this series later in 2024.
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In this week’s episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Dr Jessica Kriegel. Jessica is Chief Scientist of Workplace Culture at Culture Partners where she leads groundbreaking research, strategy and innovation alongside institutions like Stanford University. Jessica is one of the few women in her space uncovering the uncharted territories of culture and leadership. As a single parent, she is also a fierce advocate for women in the workplace and designing a job that works for you—not a job you work for.
Jessica’s groundbreaking research is detailed in her debut book “Unfairly Labeled,” a manifesto for equality and transformation in the modern workplace and disrupting the narrative that Baby Boomers and Gen Z are misaligned in the workplace. It is her mission to dispel the stereotype that unfairly labels workers today. She is also host of the podcast Culture Leaders (on which Jean Gomes was a recent guest), a show about how change catches fire for real transformation.
Referenced during this episode:
Unfairly Labeled: How Your Workplace Can Benefit From Ditching Generational Stereotypes (Wiley, 2016)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with neuroscientist, lecturer, author, blogger, podcaster, pundit, science communicator and comedian Dr Dean Burnett. Previously employed as a psychiatry tutor and lecturer at the Cardiff University Centre for Medical Education, Dean is currently an honorary research associate at Cardiff Psychology School, as well as a Visiting Industry Fellow at Birmingham City University.
Dean is currently a full-time author, previously known for his satirical science column ‘Brain Flapping‘ at the Guardian, which ran from 2012 to 2018 he went on to write his first (the hugely successful) book ‘The Idiot Brain‘. He has since written ‘The Happy Brain’, ‘Why Your Parents are Driving You Up The Wall’ and his most recent book ‘Emotional Ignorance’.
Referenced during this episode:
The Idiot Brain: A Neuroscientist Explains What Your Head is Really Up To (2017)
The Happy Brain: The Science of Where Happiness Comes From, and Why (2018)
Emotional Ignorance: Misadventures in the Science of Emotion (2024)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Scott Shute. Scott specialises in combining the practicalities of leading in the modern business world with the wisdom of ancient traditions to help individuals and companies be leaders in conscious business. His goal is for businesses to thrive financially while providing their customers long-term value and leaving employees feeling inspired and whole. When done consciously, work can be a part of the collective healing that needs to take place in the world.
Scott has been studying and practicing mindfulness and related wisdom teachings since he was thirteen years old, and teaching since he was in college. Scott started his career with twenty-five years of customer-oriented leadership and executive roles, culminating with three years leading Mindfulness and Compassion programs at LinkedIn. In 2021 his book ‘Full Body Yes, Change Your Work and Your World from the Inside Out’ was published and he now works as an executive coach, keynote speaker. In 2022 Scott formed ‘Changing Work’ which he describes as ‘creating a collective of conscious business practitioners to help elevate and amplify their work’.
Referenced during this episode:
‘Full Body Yes, Change Your Work and Your World from the Inside Out’
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, Sara Deschamps facilitates a fascinating conversation between Evolving Leader co-host Jean Gomes and author and Google's first and former Chief innovation evangelist Frederik G. Pferdt. Frederik is on a mission to empower everyone to fulfil their visions for the future from shaping Google’s fabled creative culture as Chief Innovation Evangelist to nurturing the minds of students at Stanford University’s Hasso Plattner Institute of Design where he teaches graduate courses such as ‘Hacking Your Innovation Mindset’.
Frederik’s book ‘What’s Next Is Now, How To Live Future Ready’ was published by Harper Collins in 2024.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair are in conversation with Jim Fielding. Jim is a seasoned executive having held several senior executive roles including time at DreamWorks, Disney and Claire’s. He is an active angel investor, startup advisor and philanthropist and is the President of Archer Gray Co-Lab Group. In 2023, Jim Fielding’s book ‘All Pride, No Ego: A Queer Executive’s Journey to Living and Leading Authentically.‘ was published, further expanding Jim’s services to his community, helping to build safe, inclusive and respectful work and community spaces.
Referenced during this episode:
All Pride, No Ego: A Queer Executive's Journey to Living and Leading Authentically
https://bit.ly/3VsjLSL
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to resilience expert David Creswell. David is Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience at Carnegie Mellon University and Chief of Science at Equa Health. His research ranges from basic neuroscience to large community based clinical trials of stress management programs and techniques while his Health and Human Performance Laboratory at Carnegie Mellon University leads on the science of mindfulness meditation training. David is also the Chief of Science at Equa Health, where he has used his research to build an interactive and personalised digital mindfulness training app (www.equahealth.io).
David’s work is often profiled in places like the NY Times, LA Times, the Washington Post, and the Today Show, and for his scientific contributions he has received early career awards from the Association for Psychological Science, the American Psychological Association, the Social Personality Health Network, and the American Psychosomatic Society.
Referenced during this episode:
Equa
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Professor Vincent Deary. Vincent is a writer, researcher and a practitioner health psychologist. He's a professor of psychology at Northumbria University and a former clinical fatigue specialist at the Cresta fatigue clinic. He has also worked as a cognitive behavioural therapist with an interest in researching new interventions. In 2015, the first part of Vincent’s ‘How To Live’ trilogy ‘How We Break’ was published, followed in 2024 by ‘How We Break’, where the focus is on what happens when our minds and bodies are pushed beyond their limits.
Referenced during this episode:
How We Are: The Force of Habit and the Work of Change
How We Break: Navigating the Wear and Tear of Living
The Cresta Fatigue Clinic
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Sara Deschamps are in conversation with former FBI hostage negotiator Chris Voss. During his 24 years in the FBI Chris changed the game in negotiation from one of stoicism to one of tactical empathy, persuading kidnappers, terrorists, and bank robbers to see things his way, saving countless lives in the process. Chris has translated his high-profile experience and synergy of collaboration and empathy into his negotiation consultancy The Black Swan Group, where he and his team of expert hostage negotiators apply negotiation skills in business contexts to help their clients make better deals, develop new relationships, and uncover valuable pieces of information the other side is hiding.
Chris is a household name on the Masterclass platform where he’s garnered a following for his accessible courses that teach everyone how to better communicate using behavioural science and human nature. He is also a successful author - his book Never Split the Difference explores how everything is a negotiation, and how anyone can use FBI negotiation tactics to solve problems, get what they want and resolve conflicts in all aspects of their life.
Referenced during this episode:The Edge negotiation newsletter: https://www.blackswanltd.com/the-edge
The Black Swan Group: Blackswanltd.com
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with psychologist, TED speaker, author and social entrepreneur Gil Winch. Described by Adam Grant (author of Think Again and host of the TED podcast WorkLife) as ‘a pioneer in creating opportunities for people who have been underestimated and overlooked’, Gil has developed a managerial model that enables people with severe disabilities to achieve regular productivity in free-market businesses for regular market wages. In 2008, he founded CY, an outsourcing services call centre for-profit social business that was staffed and managed primarily by previously unemployed, severely disabled people and other marginalized populations, demonstrating how a managerial model and corporate culture focused on finding and nurturing potential can benefit companies everywhere.
“Winning With Underdogs: How Hiring the Least Likely Candidates Can Spark Creativity, Improve Service, and Boost Profits for Your Business”. (2022 McGraw Hill)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Arjun Sahdev are joined by Michael D Watkins. Michael is a globally recognized leadership transitions expert, he is professor of Leadership and Organizational Change at IMD in Switzerland and he has written 12 books including the best-selling book “The First 90 Days: Proven Strategies for Getting Up to Speed Faster and Smarter” and his most recent book “The Six Disciplines of Strategic Thinking” in which he explores how executives can learn to think strategically and lead their organizations into the future. Michael is a Thinkers 50-ranked management influencer and recognized expert in his field, his work features in HBR Guides and HBR’s 10 Must Reads on leadership, teams, strategic initiatives, and new managers. Over the past 20 years, he has used his First 90 Days methodology to help leaders make successful transitions, both in his teaching at IMD, INSEAD, and Harvard Business School.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to James Church. James is passionate about working with founders to present a clear, concise, and credible business case to investors. He is co-founder and CEO of Robot Mascot, a global award-winning investment readiness agency and he claims that his clients are 40 times more likely to raise investment than the average start-up. James has been featured in Forbes, Entrepreneur Magazine, and on numerous industry blogs and podcasts. He has run mentoring sessions at Tech Hub, Google Campus and Runway East, and delivered mastermind sessions for Founder Institute, Design Museum, Dent Global, The Chartered Institute of Marketing and the University of East Anglia.
Referenced during this episode:
Claim your free copy of James’ book ‘Investable Entrepreneur’:
https://www.robotmascot.co.uk/investable-entrepreneur/
Take the PitchReady scorecard and benchmark your ability to raise investment:
https://pitchready.co.uk/
Other free resources for entrepreneurs and start-ups:
https://www.robotmascot.co.uk/free-resources/
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Jerry Colonna. Jerry is a coach, writer, and speaker who focuses on leadership, business, and the practice of radical self-inquiry. He is the co-founder and CEO of Reboot.io, a company born from the rallying cry that “work does not have to destroy us. Work can be the way in which we achieve our fullest self.” Jerry helps people lead with humanity and equanimity through a unique blend of Buddhism, Jungian therapy, and entrepreneurial know-how – which has made him a sought-after coach and leader, working with some of the world’s largest organizations.
Jerry is the author of two books: REBOOT: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up and his new book, REUNION: Leadership and the Longing to Belong.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Today co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Seth Goldenberg. Seth is a designer, activist, author, curator, and entrepreneur who harnesses the power of questioning to catalyse innovation and cultural change. He is the founder and CEO of Curiosity & Co., exploring, designing, and building flourishing futures through a design-venture studio, an experience laboratory, Ideas Salons as thought-leader retreats that tackle the essential questions of our time. His work has been featured in The New York Times, Fast Company, Wired, The Chronicle for Higher Education, Providence Journal and the Boston Globe.Seth’s book ‘Radical Curiosity, Questioning Commonly Held Beliefs to Imagine Flourishing Futures’ was published in 2022.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Rebecca Hull. Rebecca is a self-described conscious leader, always working on herself, being present and holding space for others to do their best work and she heads up the digital experience agency within TPXimpact a digital transformation company working with public, private and third sector organisations. In this conversation, Jean and Scott talk to Rebecca about how her leadership is formed around a commitment to help create sustainable outcomes for people, communities, and the planet.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this bonus ‘Meet the Author in 15 minutes’ episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, host Scott Allender talks to Scott Jeffrey Miller. Miller is currently FranklinCovey’s senior advisor on thought leadership, leading the strategy, development, and publication of the firm’s bestselling books. He has written seven books, the latest of which is ‘Career on Course’. Scott Miller also hosts On Leadership With Scott Miller, the world’s largest weekly leadership podcast, and C-Suite Conversations With Scott Miller, a podcast which features interviews with the world’s top executives.
Referenced during this episode:
Career on Course (Baker Books, 2024)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Ashley Reichheld. Ashley is co-author of ‘The Four Factors of Trust’ and since 2015 has been principal at Deloitte Consulting. She is passionate about making the experiences people have with companies feel more human and believes that building trust is the single greatest opportunity to create a competitive advantage. Ashley’s work and ideas have been featured in many publications and conferences, such as HBR, Bloomberg TV, SMR, The Wall Street Journal, AdWeek, Dreamforce, CES, and Fortune's Most Powerful Women, amongst others.
Referenced during this episode:
The Four Factors of Trust (Wiley-WSJ #2 Bestseller)
“4 Questions to Measure — and Boost — Customer Trust” (HBR)
“Research: Why Women Trust Their Employers Less Than Men Do” (HBR)
“How to Build a High-Trust Workplace” (SMR)
“Trust, The Glue That Holds Digital Worlds Together, Quantified At Last” (Forbes)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, host Jean Gomes talks to Greg Satell. Greg is a Lecturer at Wharton, accomplished entrepreneur (Co-Founder of ChangeOS, a transformation & change advisory), global executive and one of the foremost experts on transformation and change today. Greg is the author of Cascades: How to Create a Movement that Drives Transformational Change (2019) and Mapping Innovation (2017) and his work has appeared in Harvard Business Review, Barron’s, Forbes, Inc., Fast Company amongst others.
IDG have listed Greg as one of “10 Digital Transformation Influencers to Follow Today.”
Referenced during this episode:
Cascades: How to Create a Movement That Drives Transformational Change
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to former pro athlete Kevin Miller. After decades of pro cycling, pursuing high achievement personally and professionally, starting multiple businesses, and raising a big family, Kevin found himself burnt out and lacking what he wanted most; sustained peace and fulfilment. In an attempt to understanding what was actually driving him, he dedicated himself to studying personal growth, self-awareness, and what truly fulfils people. Today, his “What Drives You” podcast is in the top 1% of all podcasts and his latest book, “What Drives You” (McGraw Hill) published in May 2023.
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to the mother of mindfulness, Dr Ellen Langer. Dr Langer is a Professor of Psychology at Harvard and for over 40 years has studied Mindlessness/Mindfulness, concluding that mindfulness (without meditation) results in improved health, well-being and improved relationships. She has written over 200 research articles and 13 books, the most recent of which is The Mindful Body (2023). Dr Langer is also a gallery exhibiting artist.
Referenced during this episode:
The Mindful Body: Thinking Our Way to Lasting Health (2023)
Counterclockwise: A Proven Way to Think Yourself Younger and Healthier (2010)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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How neuroscience, machine learnig and AI are shaping our future
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Emma Sinclair and Arjun Sahdev talk to Anna Ivanova. Anna is a postdoctoral researcher at MIT and is studying the relationship between language and other aspects of human cognition using tools from cognitive neuroscience and artificial intelligence (such as large language models). This is a fascinating conversation that ultimately addresses the big question, are today’s leaders under threat from AI (now or in the near future)?
Referenced during this episode:
TEDx – To build smarter chatbots, look to the brain | Anna Ivanova (May 2023)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender welcome Rob Cross back to the podcast. We last saw Rob in June 2022 (S4, Ep17) and we’re extremely pleased that he’s come back to talk to us about his latest book, ‘The Microstress Effect’. Rob defines microstress as ‘the hidden epidemic of small moments of stress infiltrating both our work and personal lives with invisible and devastating effects’. Sit back and listen as Rob tells us how to break free from this quietly invasive force that is stealing your life.
Referenced during this episode:
The Microstress Effect: How Little Things Pile Up and Create Big Problems
Rob Cross website
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In the this bonus ‘Meet the Author in 15 minutes’ episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, host Jean Gomes talks to Stuart McLachlan and Dean Sanders. Stuart and Dean have written “The Adventure of Sustainable Performance: Beyond ESG Compliance to Leadership in the New Era” (Wiley, 2023) which the publisher describes as ‘a guidebook for leaders to create value from sustainability and organisational performance”.
Referenced during this episode:
- The Adventure of Sustainable Performance: Beyond ESG Compliance to Leadership in the New Era
- Anthesis
- Canoeing Under Elephants
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
- Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
- The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Something about work isn’t working for us.
In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Chief Medical Director of Employee Health at Johns Hopkins Medicine, Dr Richard Safeer. During this conversation, Richard tells us that one key is to avoid thinking about wellbeing in the workplace as a benefit in kind for employees and rather see it as a source of competitive advantage. Richard’s book ‘A Cure for the Common Company (Wiley, 2023)’ delivers a step-by-step roadmap to creating a culture of health on your team and in your company that keeps your people happier and more engaged.
Referenced during this episode:
A Cure for the Common Company (R. Safeer, 2023)
Richard Safeer website
Creating a Well-being Culture (training program)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Sara Deschamps talk to Jonathan Kaufman, who is leading the debate about how we can think differently about the converging issues of diversity, disability and the huge market opportunities they represent. Our conversation ranges from his time as a White House advisor to Barack Obama, to his current work as a research consultant and activist. His creative and optimistic mind is infectious, constantly reframing to find social and commercial innovation opportunities where others see stalled points and roadblocks. There's much to learn here so sit back and enjoy this fascinating conversation.
Referenced during this episode:
J Kaufman Consulting
Forbes articles
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading in a Non-Linear World: Building Wellbeing, Strategic and Innovation Mindsets for the Future (Jean Gomes, 2022)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair talk to applied psychology researcher and author Amy Walters Cohen. In her book ‘Ruthlessly Caring and Other Paradoxical Mindsets’, Amy explores how leaders cope with the true landscape of leadership judgement, comprising competing demands and seemingly impossible paradoxes that morph over time. Sit back and listen as Amy, Jean and Emma discuss the rise in the forces that create (what Amy refers to as) the washing machine effect, and the five paradoxical mindsets that she believes will be essential for future fit leadership.
References from this episode:
Ruthlessly Caring and Other Paradoxical Mindsets (Amy Walters Cohen, 2023)
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading in a Non-Linear World: Building Wellbeing, Strategic and Innovation Mindsets for the Future (Jean Gomes, 2022)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)
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Today on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Rachel Stockey. Rachel is the head of The Department of Entrepreneurial Skills at King’s College London. Rachel’s mission is to unlock the limitless potential of people and their ideas and as part of that she works to demystify the world of entrepreneurship in order to spark the next generation of thought leaders, disrupters and innovators who are ready to take on the big challenges we face globally. Outside of King’s, Rachel coaches entrepreneurs ‘to help them stay sane’, make better decisions, build better companies and look after themselves in the process.
References from this episode:
Seven skills of an entrepreneurial mindset
How entrepreneurial is your current thinking?
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading in a Non-Linear World: Building Wellbeing, Strategic and Innovation Mindsets for the Future (Jean Gomes, 2022)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)
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In this latest episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair talk to Mike Skrypnek. Mike is a strategist helping entrepreneurs and industry leaders find their happiness. He is the founder and chair of The UNLimited WORTH Wellness Society and Project, an organisation that he set up to realise a vision of a world free from the impacts of trauma. Mike hosts the Unlimited Worth podcast and in August 2023 his book UnLimited Worth was published.
References from this episode:UNLimited WORTH: Lessons of Healing from Childhood Trauma; Finding Happiness, Love and Success for Male Leaders
The UNLimited Worth podcast
Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading in a Non-Linear World: Building Wellbeing, Strategic and Innovation Mindsets for the Future (Jean Gomes, 2022)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair talk to Emma Sky. Emma is an expert on conflict, reconciliation and stability, and has worked mainly in the Middle East. She served in Iraq as the political advisor to US General Ray Odierno and General David Petraeus during the surge and is now Director of the International Leadership Center at Yale University, overseeing the Yale World Fellows program and other initiatives. Emma Sky is a Senior Fellow at Yale's Jackson Institute for Global Affairs, where she lectures on Middle East politics and global affairs.
SUGGESTED READING FROM THIS EPISODE:
The Unravelling: High Hopes and Missed Opportunities in Iraq (Emma Sky, 2015)
In a Time of Monsters: Travelling in a Middle East in Revolt (Emma Sky, 2019)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence: A Journey to Personal and Professional Success (Scott Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to leadership consultant, author and AI expert Nick Chatrath. In his work, Nick’s focus is helping others be all they can be, and currently that includes helping clients bridge the gap between what it means to be human in a new world of Artificial Intelligence (AI), and in creating environments where others can do their best thinking. In February 2023, Nick’s book ‘The Threshold, Leading In The Age of AI’ was published, within which Nick presents a framework for how leaders can adapt to the new age of AI by leaning in the qualities and skills that make us uniquely human.
The Threshold: Leading in the Age of AI (Diversion Books, 2023)
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0’00 Introduction
4'58 Tell us about yourself and your career and what led you to write your book?
7’17 In your view what are the qualities that make us uniquely human and give us the advantage?
9’26 Your book is about our relationship with AI and you talk about needing to manage both a psychological independence from AI while simultaneously maintaining a close relationship with it. Can you delve into that for us?
12’30 How do you prime the people you work with to try and get into this more divergent form of thinking?
16’11 Tell us more about the competitive advantage for an organisation that embraces the more human piece versus the companies that are prioritising the technology
19’26 You point out that old models of leadership are obsolete. In your view, which models of leadership should be done away with and what should they be replaced with?
21'56 What do you think in terms of how we need to evolve to co-exist with AI as a pervasive environment?
26’25 How do we not fall into the trap of embracing almost magical properties onto AI and ensuring that it’s not the GPS system that takes us over the cliff?
30’15 How do we start to raise leadership consciousness as things move forwards so rapidly?
35’15 What’s next for you? Where are you taking this?
36’27 What’s the hope for your daughters? What kind of world do you hope they will step into in terms of their relationship with technology?
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Economics has often been accused of making inferences about human behaviour without any real understanding of how we actually make decisions, choose between options or act against our stated interests. Behavioural economics combining economics and psychology started to accelerate its development in the 1980s, but its roots can be traced back to the 18th century economist Adam Smith. In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Matthias Sutter, one of the world’s leading behavioural economists about his (often) counter-intuitive findings, and how they can help leaders create fairer, more inclusive organisations.
Behavioral Economics for Leaders (Matthias Sutter, 2023)
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3.10 Give us a summary of your journey as an economist and the areas that you are most intrigued and excited about
5.11 How do you approach this work and how is this field evolving?
7.05 In your book your write about how economic outcomes are shaped by hidden biases. Can you unpack what's going on there?
11.13 Can you share some of your findings around the value of these social skills and how they translate into financial benefits for organisations?
14.24 What's the missing convincing component that we need to tap into?
17.03 You have said that when you are trying to find a job, it's the weaker connections in your social network that are most important. Why is that?
18.37 Something else you point out is that having more women in a start-up is a predictor of longevity. Tell us about this
21.32 What happens when companies become more transparent with salaries?
25.34 There are parts of the world that require transparency. What are some insights that will help leaders manage that double edged sword?
27.36 You said that employees who don't support company mission statements are 50% less productive. Can you unpack that?
31.18 Moving to the need for quotas to encourage more gender equality. Why do we need quotas?
34.54 The underlying assumption is that being competitive is a core part of being a good leader, but you're saying that there is more to it than that
37.01 Your research suggests that women leaders can earn more revenue per employee when they are on the board. Can you elaborate?
39.57 What have you learnt about trust?
44.43 Do you have any other insights or advice on how leaders might build or accelerate a sense of trust in their teams?
47.14 Can we talk about decision making and money?
50.55 Can we talk about your research into teenager's and children's decision making? What are you doing in that area?
53.33 What's the most powerful that helps children and teenagers to build that muscle of differed gratification?
55.09 What have you learnt on what encompases or inhibits ethical behaviour amongst individuals and teams?
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In this bonus episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, host Jean Gomes talks to Matt Mayberry. Matt is a thought leader on business development and culture, author of the Wall Street Journal bestseller ‘Culture is the Way’ and former NFL Pro linebacker for the Chicago Bears.
0.00 Introduction
1.01 Let’s start with a pitch for your book “Culture is the way”.
2.26 What’s the case in terms of what culture is, why it’s important and what I can do about it?
6.44 The middle manager might think of this topic as not being in their remit. What’s in it for them and why should they be doing this?
8.44 Give us a high-level view of the framework that you outline in the book.
10.45 What are the things that you are encountering in your work that stand in the way of this being adopted at scale?
12.41 Why is this so important to you?
14.52 What else should I be asking you about your work and the book?
16.23 What’s the best way of finding your book and contacting you?
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Books written by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
“Leading In A Non-Linear World” (Jean Gomes, 2023)
“The Enneagram Of Emotional Intelligence” (Scott Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Emma Sinclair talk to Vaughn Tan. Vaugh is a consultant, author and professor of strategy at University College London School of Management. He studies innovation and adaptability in the context of uncertainty with a focus on processes for hiring, goal setting and motivation at the team level.
References from the episode:
The Uncertainty Mindset, Innovation Insights From The Frontiers of Food
0.00 Introduction
3.29 At a party, how would you explain what you do?
5.09 You’ve spent long periods of time observing some of the world’s most famous chefs. How is uncertainty used strategically in that environment?
8.11 Organisations are built to de-risk, not to imagine or embrace uncertainty. What is your experience of how leaders in these organisations are starting to accept the need to embrace uncertainty and accept the need for imagination?
12.45 You identify the two categories of people who understand that there are forms of ‘not knowing that are not risk’. Do you think it’s possible to have a natural aptitude for not having to know?
14.59 Thinking about individuals who are at different ends of the scale for the need for closure and then putting them together as a team, what have you been learning about that environment mix?
21.06 Have you got a practical takeaway that you can give us around starting that loading that you can do with a team?
24.51 How do innovation teams motivate themselves to do uncomfortable, unfamiliar innovation work’. How do you take this idea of building a muscle of discomfort into innovation teams and what have you learnt from that?
28.59 What have you observed from the way that either individuals or teams get closer to the feelings of actually doing this? How do you make sense of the emotions that are linked to this sense of uncertainty and disruption?
35.20 You’ve said that anything that is fully knowable becomes routine and can be done by a machine. How does not knowing play into human value creation in a world of automation?
39.47 Can you give us your thoughts on what that might lead to in terms of jobs, role, new competencies that don’t currently exist in the workplace?
43.47 What are you working on at the moment? What’s next for you?
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Books by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
“Leading In A Non-Linear World” (Jean Gomes, 2023)
“The Enneagram Of Emotional Intelligence” (Scott Allender, 2023)
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to serial entrepreneur, engineer, inventor and pioneer in artificial intelligence Peter Voss. Peter spent more than 15 years studying what intelligence is, how it develops in humans and also the current state of artificial intelligence, resulting in the creation of a natural language intelligence engine designed to “adapt and grow” with the user. During that time Peter was part of a group that coined the term AGI (artificial general intelligence) and is now focused on commercialising the second generation of an AGI-based conversational AI technology called Aigo. His mission is to provide “highly intelligent and hyper-personalised assistants for everyone”.
Reference in this episode:
Aigo.ai
Peter’s articles on Medium
0.00 Introduction
3.31 How did you get into the artificial intelligence space?
4.57 Can you give us a simple definition of AI?
9.37 So when we look at these systems, why is it different this time?
12.24 There’s a lot of excitement and a lot of fear surround AI. How will AGI solve problems that need to be solved, and what are the risks?
15.06 With this radical abundance, there is always a flip side. With every technology, human nature does what it does, good or bad. What are the ethical and/or moral challenges facing us with this technology?
18.02 How in your mind would AGI stand in the gap between psychology and AI?
20.38 The current investment that is being placed into all technologies is dependent on the current ways that the global economic system works. When we unleash this abundance, it changes some of the basic assumptions about how capitalism works. What are thoughts regarding that disruption and how is it going to change the fabric of our society?
22.49 Are we at risk with getting to a level of AGI in every facet of our lives where people will struggle to find their human purpose other than depending on this technology?
24.19 Where does AI start to harm us and how to prevent that existential crisis?
26.07 Turning to what our audience should be doing to prepare for this AI resolution? Is there something that they should be thinking about and doing now?
29.32 If you were advising a CEO on how to ready their organisation for the next decade, what would your checklist of top priorities be in getting them to think about things?
30.52 What are the moral considerations to make sure that we can advertise to people but not take over their independent thinking in how they live their lives or what they want to buy?
34.24 The reason why we’re lured into this is that it’s seemingly free. How do we break that economic cycle?
35.52 Coming back to the fears, how do we ensure that the personal assistant is secure, that it won’t flip and reveal all of our secrets to the world?
39.39 How is the area that you’re working in playing out compared to the big model systems?
44.42 Can you set a time frame for us? What do you think the next 5-10 years holds in terms of what you’re doing? When will it really start to change our lives?
47.00 Your day job is commercially utilising this conversational AI technology and there are huge opportunities there.
49.36 So what is standing in your way to accelerate this?
50.37 How can people get in touch with you?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Kerry Cullen. Kerry is a business psychologist who has been coaching for more than 20 years. Working with both the public and private sector internationally, her focus is to create a coaching environment where people can come home to themselves. Kerry loves to explore and train in polyvagal theory and in 2022 she launched a polyvagal course for coaches.
References from the episode:
KerryCullen.com
Polyvagal Institute
Deb Dana’s Rhythm of Regulation
Somatic Resilience and Regulation, Stephen Terrell
0.00 Introduction
4.48 Can we start with you sharing your journey and the challenges that you’ve faced?
5.55 Can you give us a definition of resources?
6.44 Can you give us a beginners guide to polyvagal theory?
8.12 Is neuroception synonymous with interoception?
12.47 We have this constant unconscious monitoring system that isn’t grounded in our perception, but when it’s activated it does quickly engage the brain into an interpretation. How does this play out in how we make sense of things?
16.21 If you are someone who is stuck in a disconnected state, how does our nervous system see that as a way to protect us?
19.03 How does this help people who have experienced trauma?
23.23 How does this thinking work in the leadership space?
26.06 There’s a big narrative around psychological safety amongst leaders and teams. What are your thoughts around rupture and repair as the underlying mechanism of psychological safety?
29.33 You quote Stephen Porges “If you want to improve the world, start by making people feel safe”. Do you think he’s meaning that the best way to improve the world around us is for us to find our own healing? Is that your North Star?
31.52 Kerry guides Jean, Scott and our listeners through a system developed by Stephen Tyrell that offers regulation to the nervous system as a way of bringing a sense of safety and connection.
47.08 For people who are listening to this, how does this differ from mindfulness and meditation practices that they may have tried in the past?
48.58 What’s next for you?
49.30 Is there a central resource that our listeners can go to if they’d like to explore this further?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Emma Sinclair welcome Rob Murray back to the podcast. Rob last came onto the Evolving Leader back in December 2021 (season 3, episode 12), he’s a researcher, change agent and thought leader in emotional intelligence and transformational leadership who strives for a deep level of authenticity whilst at the same time being supremely pragmatic in the realities of organisational life. Rob is co-founder and CEO of Transformed Leader, he is host of the Talk of Change podcast and in February 2023 Rob’s new book ‘Fighting For Heart’ was published.
0.00 Introduction
3.55 What motivated you to write ‘Fighting For Heart’
7.13 Why is this so important now?
12.15 How are you defining emotional intelligence?
26.37 You identify that there are six common resistances that keep leaders from investing in emotional growth. Can we start with ‘self-protection against social shame, pressure or judgements for being emotional’
36.03 The next resistance is that ‘people hold a belief that leaders should not be distracted by emotions’
38.33 Number three is ‘avoiding emotions feels easier, safer and more manageable’
39.29 Fourth is ‘a lack of emotional modelling when growing up’
43.41 Finishing up with five and six, we have ‘ignorance of any other way than performing and producing’ and ‘not justifying the time and money to prioritise emotional development’
45.10 It can be difficult to know when we lose our emotional awareness. What can people listening (who don’t have the benefit of spending time with you) start to do?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott talk to entrepreneur, Chief Executive, broadcaster, and author Dr Margaret Heffernan. Margaret writes, speaks and blogs about business leadership, management, innovation and creativity, and her TED talks have been seen by over 14 million people. Margaret has written six books and her third book, ‘Wilful Blindness, Why We Ignore The Obvious’ was named one of the most important business books of the decade by the Financial Times. Her most recent book ‘Uncharted: How To Map The Future’ was published in 2020 and was nominated for the Financial Times Best Business Book award.
'Wilful Blindness: Why We Ignore The Obvious At Out Peril'
0.00 Introduction
4.04 How would you introduce yourself to someone you’ve not met at a dinner party?
5.33 You wrote ‘Wilful Blindness’ in 2012. Considering the vast changes that we’ve seen since the book was published, wow do you see its central thesis today?
8.53 If you were talking to a group of leaders today, what would you ask them to confront to raise their awareness of wilful blindness and prevent the conditions for it flourishing?
21.02 What behaviours have you seen from leaders who are great at eliminating or reducing wilful blindness?
24.11 If we turn to your book ‘Beyond Measure’ which you wrote in 2015, in it you describe how transforming a company can be a process of making small systemic changes that empower people to speak up, collaborate and share. Can you tell us more about that?
28.51 In Uncharted, you write ‘being prepared in an age of uncertainty can intensify the craving for models’. Can you build on that?
38.55 This relationship between uncertainty and predictions is fascinating. What are your thoughts on the role that machine learning is playing in our relationship with predictions and what are some of the risks that you see?
45.29 If you could go back to Margaret Heffernan at 20, what advice would you give yourself as a future entrepreneur and leader?
51.03 What’s next for you, what are you working on at the moment?
53.36 It’s interesting to hear how you are currently reinventing yourself and therefore putting yourself into a high degree of vulnerability which sounds like it’s making you feel very alive. How is that effecting your wider life?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes, Scott Allender and Emma Sinclair talk to Alex Zekoff. Alex is CEO and Co-founder of Thoughtful, an organisation with a mission to accelerate the world’s adoption of automation and AI so humans can solve our most complex existential problems. He believes that automation gives human workers the freedom to pursue the creative strategic work that builds companies as well as their careers. Thoughtful’s Robotic Process Automation aims to help businesses save up to 90% of their workforce’s time, increasing operational efficiency and lowering expenses.
0.00 Introduction
3.31 Can you tell us about your background and why you co-created Thoughtful?
6.51 Can you give us clarity on what you are selling?
9.19 Can you tell us more about what all of this means and where it’s heading in the context of the future of organisations and job security?
13.09 If we fast forward five years, it’s going to fundamentally change the nature of work. Have you got a sense of what the world is going to look like when that happens?
16.52 You talked about health care claims and how you see that in terms of automation. Given the breadth of what you work on, I wondered if you see certain industries that are way behind the curve. What’s your view on leaders and laggers in this space?
18.47 You recently wrote that to avoid a sinking ship, leaders need to approach management by cutting through the noise and focussing on first principles which are defined as a basic proposition or assumption that cannot be deduced from any other proposition or assumption. What are these first principles?
20.36 We see this in action all of the time. How do you help people to get there? What’s your process?
22.38 How do you help people to break through the assumptions that are holding them back?
24.52 You’ve described how smart people can lie to themselves because they use their intelligence to make convincing arguments that undermine their long-term interests. You mention using a blue and a red team to disrupt that thinking. Can you talk to us about that process?
27.04 If in five years we’ve brought our lagging industries forward in terms of automation and we’ve got more valuable stuff, but we’ve still got humans with a finite amount of potential skill, what will humans be doing in that space?
29.35 It feels like there are broader ethical concerns here (that we must confront) if we continue automating everything.
34.38 In Forbes you made some predictions about this year, and one of them was ‘Goodbye Wokeism, being woke is out in ‘23’. What’s your definition of wokeism and why is it out?
39.13 In terms of a growth mindset approach, can we still pursue wanting to make sure that we’re evolving in our language and how we treat groups and individuals while also potentially directing our attention to larger scale issues such as staying on the planet?
42.27 You've said that companies building software to track productivity and KPIs precisely win over companies that aren’t measuring performance at that granular level. Can you talk to us about how you are seeing this playing out in the relationship between people and organisations?
45.28 We’ve touched on the notion that AI introduces a load of peril, so what are the moral implications for leaders today as we embark on this journey? What do they need to do to prevent future disasters where AI might collapse a company, destroy a marketplace or worse?
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to future of work writer and speaker, business leader, best-selling author and podcaster Ollie Henderson. Ollie believes that work life balance is a myth, and instead sees career and personal life as two opposing forces. He argues that the secret is to design an integrated approach that allows them to work in harmony.
‘Work/Life Flywheel. Harness the Work Revolution and Reimagine Your Career Without Fear’
0.00 Introduction
3.54 It’s your birthday. Which musical artist (living or dead) would you invite to your party?
5.26 Tell us about your career to date?
8.56 You’ve experienced burnout and trying to understand what you’re feeling in that situation is difficult for a lot of people. What kind of consequences did that have on your life?
12.28 How long do you think were burnt out before you acknowledged it?
13.21 So you decided to leave your job and take up writing and at the same time a pandemic hit.
19.29 People are often afraid to make changes and you say that 75% of people are wanting to make big changes to their work lives. Why is that happening?
22.24 I’m interested in the data you collected. In the UK and many other countries there is currently a large focus on getting older people back in the workforce.
28.13 We’ve had lots of guests talking to us about various aspects of innovation. Is there anything that you’ve learnt about how we can get people to bring more of their creative and innovative self into our working environments?
32.21 Coming back to your three-year burnout, what have you adopted as practices to pay closer attention to what you are feeling and experiencing inside so you don’t find yourself going through another three year burnout before you acknowledge it?
40.17 [Ollie asks Scott and Jean] How much are people talking about the relationship between their work and personal life? Is this significant or are we reverting to how life was before the pandemic?
46.43 Where can people find the book and where can they find you?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, Scott moves over to the guest seat and talks to Jean and Emma about his new book ‘The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence, A Journey to Personal and Professional Success’. In addition to being co-host of this podcast, Scott is a certified Emotional Intelligence coach and Enneagram teacher, and in his new book Scott brings together these two systems to evolve our understanding of what Emotional Intelligence really is and how to cultivate the awareness we all need for success and wellbeing.
‘The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence, A Journey to Personal and Professional Success’.
0.00 Introduction
3.56 Can you tell our listeners about your background and what led you to attaining these certifications in psychometrics and personality systems?
6.17 Can you give us a brief overview of what the Enneagram is?
9.45 Why is this book so important for you and why now?
17.17 There are lots of definitions and interpretations of Emotional Intelligence. How do you define it?
20.36 You mention the concepts of the true self and the denied self. What are some of the signs that your true self is being denied, and how does denying our true self actually hurt us or hold us back from future success?
26.26 Can you take us through these five different components of emotional intelligence and how they unlock some of the insights that sit behind the Enneagram?
30.28 In the book you identify nine types of fear, and write that acknowledging our fear is essential for developing awareness. Can you unpack that for us?
33.23 There is a counter-voice in the world around all psychometrics calling them out as akin to horoscopes etc. arguing that you can see yourself in any description of personality types. What’s your take on this?
36.54 The Enneagram reveals the nine personality specific defence mechanisms that will interfere with a person developing or sustaining an openness to the world. Can you tell us about those defence mechanisms and how they are attached to each of the types?
43.11 Every day we see examples of people avoiding change or suppressing the things that they need to do to respond to it. Have you found quick ways of helping people to accept that and start on the journey of being more open to change?
46.59 In your book you talk about ‘setting off on a never ending path of self discovery’. So what’s next for Scott Allender?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to human rights barrister Dr Susie Alegre. Susie is a legal pioneer in digital human rights, in particular the impact of artificial intelligence on the human rights of freedom of thought and opinion. Without a moment’s pause, many of us will share our most intimate thoughts with the largest tech companies and in doing so make it possible for them to categorise us and potentially jump to troubling conclusions about who we are. In her new book Susie argues that only by recasting our human rights for the digital age can we safeguard our futures.
‘Freedom to Think: The Long Struggle to Liberate our Minds” (Susie Alegre, 2022)
0.00 Introduction
3.18 Can you tell us about your career and what’s led you to your current focus?
5.20 You argue that the online environment undermines our independence of opinion and in your book you illustrate this by starting with a brief history of legal freedoms to both holding beliefs and their expressions.
9.44 I’d like to focus on this manipulation. It’s hard to keep up with what’s happening in terms of the speed and number of platforms that are spreading ideas. How do we balance the fact that this is happening with the rights to form our own thoughts?
14.18 This whole area must be incredibly challenging. Can you give us a sense of what you face in trying to move legislation around like this?
18.10 How do you feel about your own experience of being manipulated on-line?
19.47 Can we turn to AI and how technology is now thinking that it can infer what our inner thoughts and feelings are?
24.01 What are thoughts on big tech company’s approach to ethics?
26.06 How do you think organisations in the tech space are going to give the application of human rights more teeth?
30.05 What are your thoughts on how the Chinese and Russian governments are wielding influence over their populations?
33.55 If we take the GDPR digital services act as an example, we can see that it’s a tricky balancing act to introduce legislation to achieve those goals and engage the public and commercial sectors. Can we do a better job in capturing the public’s imagination in these things?
37.34 What are the implications for leaders and organisations as they increasingly become dependent on digital and social technologies to prosper?
40.10 What reaction have you had across the political spectrum to your ideas?
42.14 You talk about how nobody wants to be manipulated and nobody thinks that are being manipulated. How do people get more honest and take more inventory in the ways that perhaps they are being manipulated?
45.41 So thinking about the freedom to think for younger people, what advice might you give them?
47.34 What are the next set of challenges for you? What are you working on at the moment?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to John Mullins. John is Associate Professor of Management Practice in Marketing and Entrepreneurship at London Business School, has written four books and has had more than 50 articles appear in publications that include Harvard Business Review, The Wall Street Journal to name but a few.
John’s latest book ‘Break the Rules! The Six Counter-Conventional Mindsets of Entrepreneurs that Can Help Anyone Change the World’ was published in January 2023.
0.00 Introduction
2.48 Can we start by getting to know you a little?
3.54 Tell us about your entrepreneurial ventures.
7.46 How does your body of work apply to everyone (not just entrepreneurs in start ups)?
11.30 What advice would you give to a young entrepreneur to help them avoid early failure?
13.41 If you could go back to your 25 year old self where you were a young entrepreneur, what would you say?
15.15 Entrepreneurs can often be very defensive about their product and their idea. What have you learnt about the ability to hear differing perspectives?
17.01 Moving to your latest book, can you give us the pitch and why you wrote it?
21.40 So let’s talk through those mindsets. Let’s start with ‘Yes you can’ and how does this change conventional thinking?
23.43 Next you have Problem First not Product First logic. What have you learnt about those who succeed in this respect think and act differently?
28.40 The next of the six mindsets is Think Narrowly not Broadly. That’s pretty counter intuitive, so tell us more about that.
30.55 The fourth mindset is ‘ask for the cash, ride the float’. Tell us about that.
35.03 Have you had any experience with your clients adopting that principle in an otherwise conservative environment?
36.53 The fifth mindset is Beg, borrow but don’t steal. Tell us about why this is important.
42.26 And finally there is Instead of Asking for Permission, Beg for Forgiveness. What convention is this breaking?
45.05 How have you seen that principle handled well in a corporate environment?
48.26 You conclude the book by saying that not every entrepreneur displays these mindsets, but Lynda Weinman (the founder of Lynda.com) seems exceptional as she seems to display many (if not all). Can you tell us a little about her story?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Richard Medcalf. Richard is the founder and CEO of Xquadrant, a consultancy that he set up in 2017 with a mission to help top leaders reinvent their success formula and multiply their impact on their purpose, their people and their profit. Richard also runs Rivendell, an international peer community of entrepreneurs and CEOs. His book ‘Making TIME for Strategy’ was published in November 2022.
0.00 Introduction
4.27 Can you start by telling us how you’ve come to be who you are?
6.42 Who is your book aimed at and what is the problem you’re solving for?
8.40 In your book you talk about how you see rising demand, constant overload and seemingly no hope except possibly more of the same. Can you give us a sense of what you are seeing in this regard and how have those demands have changed over recent years?
12.20 You talk about the power of strategic time as being the number one predictor of success as a leader, but the reality of immediate demands means that for many leaders this is out of their grasp. How do can they rethink this?
16.38 Could you walk us through your solutions and specifically the TIME acronym that you use and how that works?
21.28 In your experience working with leaders, how challenging is it for them to be honest about the time wasters vs the things that really add value?
23.26 So, the tactical move doesn’t operate in isolation for the leader. Does it solve the problem or do they need to be thinking wider than this?
25.23 Can you give us an example of a particularly challenging type of conversation that leaders need to have that they may be avoiding or finding difficult to have?
28.08 From your perspective what are the specific mindset blocks that are of particular importance when making this work?
32.50 When you talk to leaders about having to shift their mindset, the block is often a feeling of helplessness or powerlessness. How do you help people cope with what’s going on inside them to deal with that shift in their thinking?
34.58 Turning to the final part of the acronym, what’s the environmental challenge?
36.20 You point out that incremental progress is no way to beat infinity. Can you talk about the bold moves necessary to make real impact?
43.03 We’ve been talking about this from an individual perspective, but how does a team facing these challenges incorporate these?
47.20 Richard, I want you to inspire us. What can I do when I get some time to myself to start my journey along some of these ideas, and I’d like us to think about someone at the start of their career as well as the more mature leaders?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Adam Bulley. Adam is a postdoctoral fellow at the Brain and Mind Centre and School of Psychology, The University of Sydney, and the Department of Psychology at Harvard University. In his research, Adam uses the tools of cognitive science to study the mind and human behaviour, with a focus on the evolution, development, and psychological mechanisms of imagination, foresight, decision-making, and emotion.
Adam Bulley’s first book ‘The Invention of Tomorrow’ which he co-wrote with Thomas Suddendorf and Jon Redshaw was published in 2022.
During the conversation, Adam also references the following books:
The Optimist's Telescope: Thinking Ahead in a Reckless Age (Bina Venkataraman, Riverhead 2020)
The Long View: Why We Need to Transform How the World Sees Time (Richard Fisher, Wildfire 2023)
0.00 Introduction
2.58 Can you start by telling us about yourself and what led you into your research and career?
4.21 Let’s dive into your book ‘The Invention of Tomorrow. Can you give us your pitch for the book, who is this book for and what will your audience gain from reading it?
6.02 We take our ability to think about the future for granted, but how and why do you think this remarkable capability evolved?
8.56 What would have happened to our species had we not evolved this human foresight capability?
10.33 What role does memory play in foresight?
13.27 So let’s skip back to how foresight and innovation are intwined with one another. Can you bring to light some of the research and how you’ve come to understand how that relationship works?
15.32 What have you learned about how this ability impacts our morality?
17.27 As children we have amazing imaginations from an early age but our ability to envisage our responsibility takes longer to develop. So how do things like metacognition (our ability to imagine what that looks like from somebody else’s perspective) sit alongside foresight?
19.35 What have you learnt about our capacity to harness this and improve it? Is this a muscle that can be improved?
22.35 You mention short termism and our ability to ignore our foresight. What has your research uncovered about the profound mistakes that we can make when choosing to ignore foresight?
27.02 One of our former guests, futurologist Monika Bieleskyte believes that the role of the futurologist should be to try and create positive optimistic scenarios that we can get behind. How do you feel that our capacity for foresight works with that?
30.23 How much of our brain’s foresight is routed in our own subjective biased view of reality?
34.01 What have you learnt about foresight and wellbeing and what can we take forward from that?
36.33 How can we get more effective and efficient at testing our assumptions about the future and our ideas?
40.16 What are you working on at the moment? What’s next for you?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Dr Tim Palmer. Tim is a Royal Society Research Professor in Climate Physics, he is a senior fellow at the Oxford Martin Institute Programme on Modelling and Predicting Climate and a professorial fellow at Jesus College, Oxford. Tim is a major contributor to improving climate models and is among the researchers who won the 2007 Nobel Prize for authoring the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports.
In October 2022 Tim Palmer's book ‘The Primacy of Doubt: From Quantum Physics to Climate Change, How the Science of Uncertainty Can Help Us Understand our Chaotic World’ was published.
0.00 Introduction
3.46 In your work we see what appears to be an intuitive approach to embracing uncertainty. Can we start there?
6.52 Is it true to say that our economic systems are experiencing more uncertainty and non-linear occurrences recently?
9.19 Can we talk about some of the most fundamental scientific concepts of uncertainty that you explore in the book, and how we might take some of that thinking to the challenges that we might be facing in running organisations?
12.46 If we recognise that there will always be uncertainties, but also imagine a world in the future where there might be unlimited computing power where we have the singularity and an abundance of senses, does this increase in knowledge take us closer to a world with no uncertainty?
18.44 Can you help us understand Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle?
21.48 If you could go back in time to the 2008 financial crisis, could you use some of what you know and have learnt about uncertainty to moderate that somehow?
33.26 How widespread has the adoption of ensemble methods been?
35.13 Can we talk about ensemble methods, specifically focussing in on climate change? How has your work helped us to develop our current understanding of the world’s greatest challenge?
43.24 How do you see the science of uncertainty developing over the next decade?
47.34 Where do you see uncertainty sitting in the educational curriculum because currently it feels like it hasn’t been adopted into secondary education or across other fields?
51.04 Can you bring to life what a typical day looks like to you?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Marianne Lewis. Marianne is dean and professor of management at the Lindner College of Business, University of Cincinnati having previously served as dean of Cass (now Bayes) Business School at City University, London, and as a Fulbright scholar. A thought leader in organizational paradoxes, she explores tensions and competing demands surrounding leadership and innovation. Marianne has been recognized among the world’s most-cited researchers in her field (Web of Science) and received the Paper of the Year award (2000) and Decade Award (2021) from the Academy of Management Review.
Marianne Lewis’s book (co-author with Wendy K Smith) ‘Both/And Thinking: Embracing Creative Tensions to Solve Your Toughest Problems’ was published in 2022.
0.00 Introduction
4.36 Can you give us an overview of your work?
5.22 How do you distinguish between tensions, dilemmas, and the paradoxes in our lives?
7.16 Why is it so important to be working on paradox right now for leaders?
9.13 Can you walk us through the four types of paradox that you identify and how we experience them?
14.01 How does either/or thinking cause issues for leaders and can you give us some examples of how that sets us up to fail?
19.10 The trench warfare, or the war of defences seems to be prevalent in politics right now. What do you think is causing that either/or thinking?
21.26 You describe a pros and cons list as being one of the mechanisms that encourages either/or thinking. What other mental shortcuts are leaders and others taking that encourages either/or thinking?
26.05 How do we enable both/and thinking?
34.58 You mention that it’s not easy to look at the assumptions that we should consider if we want to build this paradox mindset. Why is that and how have you helped leaders find a different way forward?
39.48 Knowing that people want to move away from negatively experienced emotions, what other tactics or approaches do you take with leaders to arrive at this alternative approach without moving away from those negative emotions?
46.20 Organisations are designed primarily to align resources with their goals and minimise risk. Can you tell us about how your research and ideas can help leaders think about structures to stabilise the organisation in the face of uncertainty?
50.33 Can you tell us about the research you’re doing into how individuals manage building a paradox mindset?
54.19 Did you find a difference in motivations behind various people’s experience with either/or thinking?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Dr Joe Barnby. Joe is a computational neuroscientist, assistant professor at Royal Holloway in London where he leads the social computation and cognitive representation (SoCCR) lab, and the founder of Senscapes. Through his research, Joe is working to develop better theories of the brain and behavioural basis of social interaction, and how these might be used to explain and treat psychiatric and neurological disorders.
0.00 Introduction
2.49 Can you give us an overview of your work?
7.28 Can you explain how these mathematical models are built?
10.28 What are you learning from this about people with an open mindset versus a fixed mindset?
14.36 In some of your recent work you mention that there’s been a shift in how neuroscientists and psychologists look at social cognition and how it operates. Can you take us through some of the underlying ideas in this shift of thinking?
17.42 What do we do with the output of this work?
21.14 What are the moral implications?
23.58 In the past you have described the possibility of being able to analyse the nature of an individual’s social threat from others enabling us to build healthier teams. Can you tell us about that?
26.15 When we think about how an individual makes sense of the world, they are triangulating between their physical, emotional and all the other senses that are creating this map of the world plus the predictive element of it. How do you start to make sense of that huge amount of complexity and where are we on the journey of being able to capture that complexity?
34.49 In your recent research, have you had any ah-ha moments in terms of making progress with those building blocks?
39.34 What are the key pieces of insight that someone listening could take from with them from this conversation?
41.42 Tell us about Senscapes.
46.29 Where will your research go in 2023?
49.35 Through the work that you’ve carried out, what have you learnt about yourself and how have you put those learnings into practice?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Richard Firth-Godbehere. Richard is one of the world's leading experts on disgust and emotions, he is an independent researcher and consultant in the history, language, science and philosophy of emotions, and author of ‘A Human History of Human Emotion – How the Way We Feel Built the World We Know’.
A Human History of Human Emotion (Fourth Estate, 2023)
0.00 Introduction
3.29 As a historian, why did you start to focus on emotions as a way of making sense of the past?
5.11 You suggest that emotions are a modern construct. Can you tell us about that?
7.37 How do you describe what an emotion is?
9.04 How do you study the history of emotions?
11.40 In your book you talk about how certain emotions have been a driving force of change throughout history whereas we generally think of ideas as being the thing that propels history. Can you elaborate on that a little please?
13.54 Can you take us back to Ancient Greece and Plato where you begin your story about understanding emotion’s evolution?
17.06 What have you learnt about our relationship with desire?
22.07 Your main field of study has been disgust, an emotion that many of us might think is a universal experience. However you’re not so sure…
25.03 What does your research reveal about love?
31.40 Your research into witch crazes is particularly revealing and relevant to today’s polarising world.
35.50 What does history tell us about the effect of the more optimistic feelings associated with things such as progress and freedom?
39.08 You mention several people who have had a profound influence on our modern understanding of emotion. Where was the turning point at which that shifted our understanding of human nature?
45.18 In all the things you are currently doing, what’s the area you are wrestling most with in terms of your own uncertainty about what you’ve learnt around emotion?
46.40 How can a leader who is listening to this podcast make use of your research findings?
49.30 Solastalgia, the emotion that is expressed across the world by people who have had their homes destroyed by climate change.
51.57 Do you think there was a highly characteristic and shared emotion around Covid?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-host Jean Gomes welcomes back former guest Will Page. Will is the former chief economist at both Spotify and PRS for Music, visiting fellow at London School of Economics and his widely acclaimed book ‘Tarzan Economics’ has just been published in paperback under the slightly different title ‘Pivot: Eight Principles for Transforming Your Business In A Time Of Disruption’.
Pivot: Eight Principles For Transforming Your Business In a Time of Disruption
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0.00 Introduction
2.14 Why has the title of the book changed for the paperback?
3.04 A quick summary of the eight principles.
5.39 You say in the book that these principles give us cause for optimism and even confidence. Can you talk about why that it?
11.38 Which is the principles would be most salient for our audience? 1. Big data, big mistakes.
17.27 How can we stop ourselves making a snap judgement or challenge the contradictions around data, and how do you hold that in your head in other forms of decision making?
19.42 2. The growing gig economy
23.57 Given the Tarzan Economics predictions, what do you think are the most likely few things that will change this year?
27.20 How are these principles changing your life and mindset? How is it shaping your world?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes take some time to discuss and reflect on a new definition of mindset. Scott also gets Jean to road test a new set of questions that (in future episodes) our two co-hosts will be asking guests about how they think, feel and see the world.
‘Leading In a Non-Linear World’ by Jean Gomes
0’00 Introduction
3’27 We’re going to be questioning our guests on how they make sense of the world by building intentional mindsets to confront challenges that they face
5’22 Remind us what you mean by feel, think and see
10’16 How can people build the connective tissue between all of these things?
14’29 Testing the new questions on Jean : Q1. What have you learnt about your mindset as you have developed as a leader?
18’11 Q2. When and where have you seen others or yourself hold up the wrong lens to a situation?
21’44 Q3. Can you recall any situations in your career where you and others made significant breakthroughs by challenging fundamental assumptions about what was possible, feasible or desirable?
26’03 Q4. What is the primary way that you tune into you body to determine what’s happening?
30’37 Q5. Of all the mindsets that we build and need, what is the single biggest mindset challenge that you personally struggle with the most?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, we’re pleased to welcome back our occasional host and friend of the podcast, Emma Sinclair. This week Emma is in conversation with consultant neuroscientist and researcher Oscar Hutton. Oscar is also part of the Greater Human community, with whom in 2022 he explored (and made sense of) the neuroscience research designed to answer the question “Does listening to your body help you become more empathetic?”. Part of the findings from this research paint a picture that challenge our understanding around how we understand others and how we build empathy as human beings.
This is an important listen.
0.00 Introduction
4.04 Introducing Oscar and his research.
5.21 Let’s think about the concept of empathy.
10.56 Why do we need empathy?
13.02 What evolutionary benefits has empathy brought us as human beings?
19.04 Where do we start with this, in terms of how we build empathy?
21.10 How does interoception help us to more empathetic?
23.08 So this is literally raising our awareness of what’s going on inside?
26.42 Is this a part of what helps us identify what we’re feeling?
28.12 So rather than trying to ignore what the body is telling us, we should all learn to identify how we’re feeling and then work with it?
29.00 How new is interoception as an area of study and what have you started to find during your research?
32.49 Where have you started to go with your findings?
35.49 So when we are around people who we are very close to, you’re saying that there is a good chance that we could be experiencing what they are experiencing if we raise our awareness to it.
37.33 Is this suggesting that the more we know someone, the greater the likelihood is that our bodies will feel the same as a result of an external stimulus?
40.32 Is it possible for anyone to switch on interoception accuracy?
41.52 Is it also something that can get lost if you don’t keep using it?
42.34 So where is the connection between interoception and empathy?
45.48 So how can we can begin to start to use this awareness?
52.37 Considering the amount of time we all spend interacting with others on the screen, is there anything that could be built to help us in that environment with those social cues?
55.06 Is there anything else related to teamwork that you are starting to draw connections on?
57.53 How can someone who might not have heard of interoception before today begin to work on this new super skill?
64.09 So what have you done in this area for yourself?
67.30 So if more people were aware of this, could we avoid those difficult encounters?
69.48 Is there more that you can share from your research?
79.09 What can we leave the listener with?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes are joined by entrepreneur, venture capital investor and author William Kilmer. A product and innovation strategist at heart, William has spent his career working with hundreds of companies as a start-up leader, coach, investor and board member. He has been founder and CEO of several cybersecurity and data analytics companies, formed a wireless operator in the UK, and has served on the board of over twenty five technology companies and other organizations. He was previously the managing director of Intel Capital, a corporate venture capital fund where he managed worldwide investments and formed a targeted venture fund to invest in the Middle East and North Africa.
Transformative: Build a Game Changing Strategy, Retool Your Organisation and Innovate to Win
0.00 Introduction
3.10 Can you tell us a little about how you got to where you are today?
4.28 What attracted you into working in technology and leadership?
5.18 Can we talk about innovation and the challenge that it poses for many organisations?
7.37 Some organisations may sometimes lose perspective on why they are innovating. Why might that be?
9.53 In many organisations, innovation sits on the periphery rather than being central to the core business. Is that what you’re seeing?
12.09 What’s the difference between innovation and transformation?
16.50 If you were sitting with a CEO who wasn’t successfully transforming their organisation, what high level advice would you give to that individual?
22.59 Can you tell us about the ‘confidence bubble’?
27.57 Why do you think primary business model innovation isn’t happening at the same level as the technological innovation?
31.03 When was the last time you witnessed a pitch where you thought, ‘yeah that idea could really be transformative’?
33.33 Are there any currently under represented emerging technologies that you think might come to the fore in the future?
37.42 How have you evolved as a leader?
42.17 What mindset shift is required for an individual who is prone to defending ideas as opposed to challenging them?
43.34 If we fast forward three years, what are the things that we should be looking at in terms of combining new technologies and business models in order to solve some of the big challenges facing organisations?
47.08 Is there anything else that we should ask you?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean and Scott hand the mic to Emma Sinclair who talks to cognitive neuroscientist Emily Clements. As part of her PhD at Kings College, London Emily is currently leading one of the world’s first studies into the neuroscience of entrepreneurship. She aims to uncover what might be different within entrepreneur’s brains and how we might develop our mindsets to become more entrepreneurial?
Sit back and listen to this fascinating conversation during which Emma and Emily explore a key foundation for tomorrow’s leaders, building mindsets to navigate uncertainty and improve their capacity for disruptive thinking.
0.00 Introduction
2.47 Emily, could you please begin by introducing yourself and what you are currently working on?
5.53 What is disruptive thinking?
8.00 What brain mechanisms are coming in to play when we go against the grain?
8.35 Could you give us a quick summary of what you mean when you refer to brain networks?
11.26 So are we focussing in on networks when we refer to disruptive thinking?
12.58 How often are we using our multiple demand network?
14.31 What would you define as being a hard task?
17.08 What’s the flipside to this?
20.05 I’d love to understand more about self-referential thought.
24.20 If you were in deep meditation, which network are you operating in?
26.14 What have these brain networks got to do with disruptive thinking, why are they important?
29.30 Is it true to say that highly creative individuals are actually changing how their brain is operating? Is it possible to make your brain more creative?
32.02 How can we consciously build a mindset that enables us to be more creative?
39.52 How can we all be more disruptive?
44.49 How important is environment for us to recognise that we might be in the wrong state to address a particular problem solving task?
49.43 We’ve talked about the constant demand on people. Is this current demand for our attention meaning that it’s harder to stay in either mode?
54.09 What can leaders take away from this?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to award winning science writer David Robson. David has previously worked as a features editor at New Scientist and as a senior journalist at the BBC as well as writing countless articles for The Guardian, the Psychologist and many others. Sit back and listen as our co-hosts explore David’s life and work
The Expectation Effect: How Your Mindset Can Transform Your Life
The Intelligence Trap: Revolutionise your Thinking and Make Wiser Decisions
0.00 Introduction
2.51 What gets you excited about your work?
3.51 Your work spans many different scientific disciplines including neuroscience and psychology. How do you bring those two things together to understand how human beings operate?
5.04 Can you give us the pitch to your first book, The Intelligence Trap?
7.18 You have said that intelligent people are more susceptible to fake news and conspiracy theories. Can you elaborate on that?
12.55 Is this problem getting worse?
14.31 Can we dig into a few of the mechanisms that are at work, such as over claiming and earnt dogmatism?
17.38 How do you build cognitive inoculation?
21.10 You’ve written that unconscious bias training may not be as straightforward and you present a more nuanced view about it. Could you talk to us a little about this?
23.56 Your second book is titled The Expectation Effect. Can you tell us what the expectation effect is and is not?
26.19 You have written how it’s possible to create different levels of change in your body for a long period of time that creates general conditions for good things to happen. Your research into the effect of the placebo is probably the most significant in this regard. Can you tell us a little more about that?
30.01 You also talk about the opposite which is the nocebo. Tell us about this.
33.40 The research by Alia Crum on fitness and eating is exciting in terms of giving us practical potential solutions for rethinking our mindset around these things.
39.03 You list some practical things that the reader can do to harness the expectation effect. Could you give us some examples of things that our listeners could start doing right now?
42.35 There are some potent takeaways around the expectation effect and its influence on longevity. Could you talk us through what you’ve learnt there?
46.45 What else should we be asking you?
51.29 What are you working on now?
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In this special 100th episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Emma Sinclair talk to one of our usual co-hosts on the podcast, Jean Gomes. As many listeners will know, Jean is a leadership expert, trusted advisor to CEOs and senior leaders, and New York Times bestselling author. During this conversation, Jean talks about his new book ‘Leading in a Non-Linear World, Building Wellbeing, Strategic, and Innovation Mindsets for the Future’.
Leading in a Non-Linear World
0.00 Introduction
2.48 Why did you write ‘Leading In A Non-Linear World’?
6.16 Why is this important now?
8.54 We often hear that we should simplify things, but you’re saying that we should meet complexity with complexity. Can you tell us more about that?
11.10 Can you give us some examples of the kinds of mindsets that you’re talking about building?
14.48 When writing about mindset, you refer to the interplay between feeling, thinking and seeing grounded in own self-awareness. This feels like something that is accessible to everyone. How did that idea start to form for you?
22.18 When we talk about self-awareness or mindset, nobody thinks that they’re not self-aware. Is it easier for some people to be more connected to what’s going on in their body and mind, and for those people who find it harder, how can they start to build these skills?
29.34 Can you tell us about your sixteen months of experimentation? What did you actually do during that time?
35.20 Understanding and knowing how to manage our internal physical resources is something that is often bypassed by leaders. How could you encourage them to make a shift in how they approach their wellbeing?
40.11 Now that we’ve done a deep dive into the body, could you delve deeper into the emotional centre?
46.14 You refer to negative uncomfortable emotions, and how some people may externalise that rather than getting curious about why they might be feeling this way. How could they get practically curious while in the middle of a very uncomfortable feeling?
52.36 So the idea of feelings and emotions as a means of accessing mindset may be route that a lot of people may not have thought about before. How have you taken that and built it into this interconnection between thinking and seeing as well? How do they all interact together in your definition?
57.04 What mindsets can we build for our future?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes are joined by neuroscientist, Dr Hannah Critchlow. Hannah is best known for demystifying the human brain on regular radio, TV and festival platforms as well as through her three books, the most recent being “Joined-Up Thinking, The Science of Collective Intelligence” (Hodder & Stoughton, August 2022). In 2014, Hannah was recognised as a 'Top 100 UK scientist' by the Science Council and one of Cambridge University's most ‘inspirational and successful women in science’. In 2019 Hannah was named by Nature as one of Cambridge University's 'Rising Stars in Life Sciences'.
Joined-Up Thinking, The Science of Collective Intelligence
0.00 Introduction
3.29 Tell us about your background and what led you into neuroscience and your passion for public engagement?
9.01 Tell us about collective intelligence.
12.07 Can we explore the research that you share in your book around collective intelligence and particularly how amongst neurodiverse groups this leads to more creative thought?
19.09 You talk about the genetic predisposition, was there any research around epigenetic’s role in this predisposition?
36.02 You talk about synchronisation of brainwaves amongst groups helping with collective intelligence and the importance of their emotional state in this regard. Can you tell us a little more about that?
41.56 You talk about listening in fostering collective intelligence and you suggest a game that families can play to get better at it. Can you tell us about that?
45.17 You’ve also written about sitting in silence at the start of a meeting.
46.30 There is a lot of pressure and uncertainty facing teams, and you talk about the need to cultivate curiosity rather than fear in that environment. What advice do you have to help us achieve that?
49.13 What have you come to understand about interoception in the context of social intelligence?
53.29 How do you envisage our collective intelligence developing over time with advances in technology?
58.32 What’s next for you in the coming year?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to poet Pelé Cox. Formerly the poet in residence at Tate Modern, the Royal Academy, Keats-Shelley House and British School at Rome, Pelé now takes her art into companies such as PwC, Nielsen and a variety of hedge funds tutoring leaders and employees in creative innovation.
‘Lift Me Up I Am Dying’ (Pele Cox, 2021) https://youtu.be/NFQjKWiOYn8
‘Chelsea Barracks Frieze’ https://pelecox.com/
0.00 Introduction
0.54 POEM: Spectacle (Pele Cox)
3.53 Can you give us the edited highlights of your journey as an artist?
4.50 Was there a moment when you thought ‘I want to be a poet’?
5.39 Who are some of your favourite poets?
7.05 What is your creative process?
12.09 POEM: Afterwards (Pele Cox)
13.59 It’s not obvious to most people that poetry can be used in so many different ways. How did you get to that?
15.59 What happens when you take your experience in to the hedge fund audience?
18.23 When you are working with a leader, what does that process look like?
21.42 Help us understand how we can best appreciate this art form?
31.58 POEM: Snake (D.H.Lawrence)
39.10 Can you talk to us about your relationship with your emotions and how that’s changed as you have developed?
43.39 Can the utterance of a poet have any more relevance than the extraordinary impact of social media?
46.31 POEM: Death and the politicians (Ian Crichton-Smith)
47.30 Can we turn to some of your more recent work particularly some of the things that you’ve done during lockdown including the film ‘Life Me Up I am Dying’ with Damian Lewis?
52.45 Can we talk about Frieze as well?
56.23 POEM: Swelling (Pele Cox)
57.14 How might someone get in touch with you?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to the no B S coach Paul Glover. Paul is a former attorney who went on to serve time having been found guilty of white collar crimes. He describes himself as a “recovering” trial lawyer, an unabashed Starbucks addict, and the author of Workquake™, a book dedicated to those in the work environment seeking to not only survive, but also to thrive in the Knowledge Economy.
0.00 Introduction
3.36 Can you tell us about the concept of having a fool in your life?
6.26 What’s the contract that you’re striking when you invite someone in who might not be open to feedback that you might be getting?
10.44 Tell us more about your story. As you were coming out of prison, how did the role of the fool change you?
19.08 What did you find hardest to accept in yourself when receiving feedback from your wife and your friends when they were allowed to see you?
30.26 When coaching, how do people feel about you and feel about themselves in your presence?
34.00 You talk about daily windows of opportunity. What are they and how do you find them?
38.02 In 2012, you wrote ‘Work Quake. How organisations can successfully make the seismic shift to the knowledge economy’. I’m curious to hear what you’ve been observing in the last 10 years since you published that book.
41.11 Based on the coaching conversations that you have had over the last 2 years, what do you think is going to happen as a result of Covid and the lessons that leaders have gained from that experience?
46.07 You talked earlier about your daily gratitude practice. What are you feeling most grateful for today?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to author, entrepreneur and former scientist Rob Ashton. Rob’s work encompasses cognitive and social neuroscience, cognitive and social psychology and behavioural and neuroeconomics, giving him a unique perspective on why so much of our written communication simply doesn’t work.
0.00 Introduction
4.32 Given your background as a scientist, how did you become fascinated in how we communicate?
9.51 Why is it that so much of our written communication doesn’t work?
18.26 What are some of the things that we can do to overcome those limitations?
24.36 If somebody wants or needs to communicate (perhaps with a large group) quickly, how can they reduce the chance that their message may be misinterpreted by individuals who receive the message?
30.34 What’s the easiest way of getting people to open their minds to what they are about to read?
36.45 if we switch to the reader or recipient of emails and texts, what can we do to avoid misunderstanding the written word?
42.30 When you think about writing, how do you get into a more empathetic headspace?
48.02 When we write something and then read it back we may sometimes find flaws in how our writing could be interpreted. From a neurological perspective, how do those different processes work?
53.50 Do younger generations read and write differently?
56.20 How can our listeners get in touch with you?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to psychological safety expert Stephan Wiedner. Stephan’s work focusses on developing sustainable high performance leaders, teams and organisations. He is cofounder of Noomii.com, Skillsetter.com and most recently Zarango.com with a published mission to ‘unleash the collective potential of people with the power of psychological safety’.
Here's a link to the free Psychological Safety Assessment mentioned by Stephan during this episode: https://zarango.com/freepsi/
0.00 Introduction
4.08 Can you give us a working definition of Psychological Safety?
5.08 In our experience, when leaders first encounter that, some may feel that making people feel ok isn’t always ok because there can be consequences. What’s your take on that?
6.34 So in your experience, what happens when leaders make the mistake of being incredibly nice but don’t hold teams to account to deliver?
7.16 Why psychological safety for you? What got you into this topic?
9.03 What is your assessment process?
10.30 So happens in those situations typically?
12.18 What does psychological safety deliver in terms of performance?
14.37 Amy Edmondson talks about creating the conditions so we’re able to have those conversations without the fear, so the desire outweighs the risk. Can we talk about the feeling of vulnerability that’s necessary in order to be able to do that?
17.51 How do you raise an honest level of awareness in the leader who is well intentioned but may be just not getting it right?
18.52 Can you tell us what the origins of ‘deliberate practice’ are and how it’s been applied in different fields?
21.59 Let’s talk about conflict. How do leaders with high safety and accountability teams tend to mitigate conflict or even encourage healthy conflict when appropriate?
24.24 How do you start to get leaders to recognise their part in perpetuating a culture where these things can’t really be aired?
27.55 What kind of things do you see when psychological safety starts to take root in an organisation?
29.38 What is the importance of safety combined with accountability in terms of unleashing exponential creativity?
33.33 How do you see psychological safety playing out across different generations?
38.07 Where do you think this field is going and what’s next in your work?
43.10 In your analysis, do you see any trends in terms of things that are changing in people’s reactions to different types of situations? Are some situations becoming more or less problematic, how are we evolving?
46.08 What deliberate practices are you engaging with at the moment?
48.15 How can our audience get in touch with you?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to social entrepreneur Anna Anderson. Anna is the founder and CEO of Kindred, an independent members club in West London, and Cellar at Kindred, a public café, counter and bar; dedicated to bringing the ethos, spirit and values found in the members club to the wider community. Previously a qualified social worker, Anna has a passion for building community, and strengthening human connections in a lonely world and is on a mission to build better, more human-centred housing.
0.00 Introduction
4.12 Can you give us your perspective on the power of business to achieve social change?
6.35 You have a background as a social worker, working in child protection, domestic violence, children in gangs and more. How did this inform your concept of community and the role that business can and should play in the world?
10.57 Tell us a little about Kindred and how does it work?
14.00 You started two years pre pandemic. How did Covid impact the business model?
16.05 A lot of people might have walked away. Where does your passion come from?
18.55 Staying with the challenge of balancing the economics and the purpose. Tell me what you’ve learnt about the shared values that you have to create between your team, your audience, the community. What are the shared values that hold this together for you?
23.13 Regardless of Covid, what value is most likely to be compromised when trying to pursue your commercial viability and sustainability?
25.37 How do you make people aware of your community?
28.23 Do you have a vision for scaling beyond West London?
30.51 What lessons have you been learning about yourself as a leader?
34.19 How do you see how you create, capture and deliver value in your business model tying in to the problem you’re solving?
39.17 What’s a word you might have for a listener who is nowhere near West London but is really compelled by what you’re saying and is acknowledging to themselves the idea of loneliness while they have no suitable space near them. What might they do?
45.36 Your point about how somebody can be in a great relationship and have great colleagues but can still feel lonely. You gave some diagnostic questions, but is there anything else that would help people to come to terms with what they’re feeling?
49.54 Is there anything else that we should be talking about or any messages that you would like to give to our audience?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to human behaviour expert Ciela Hartanov. Ciela is a former Head of Innovation and Strategy at Google and is founder of Hum Collective where she consults with leaders who are overwhelmed by the pace of change and need help creating the time, tools, and innovation models to create a new paradigm of work.
0.00 Introduction
4.05 A little more about Ciela’s background and work.
5.46 How do you build a mindset to face uncertainty?
9.07 How do you help individuals become cognisant of the kind of mindset that they’re currently holding?
17.19 Can you give us an example of the sort of thing that you’ve done to move people who might have a more sceptical mind into a position of acceptance?
21.46 What’s the starting point where you can try to bring more sense making when maybe you can’t find the component parts to start engaging with that story?
24.44 How have you grown and developed through the work that you’ve done?
26.42 This speaks to the need to embrace vulnerability in an uncertain situation where you as a leader are expected to be certain. Have you thought about that and what it means?
29.35 Talk to us about the importance of sensitivity as a leader.
34.27 Can you tell us a little about the book?
38.36 What can our listeners do to reclaim their sensitivity? What are some of the practices that you’ve found most helpful for yourself?
41.14 Leaders are expected to know the answer and to know the truth.
45.32 Which organisations are you seeing that are moving along down this path and adopting some of the things that you’re talking about?
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Join co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender as they close season 4 of the Evolving Leader podcast by sharing some of our favourite moments from the 20 incredible episodes as well as previously unheard bonus material from the Evolving Leader vulnerability interviews.
The Evolving Leader podcast will return in September for the start of season 5, but in the meantime sit back and listen to conversations with Caroline Williams, Oliver Burkeman, Steve Fleming, Amy Herman, Susan Neiman, Ranjay Gulati, Dan Toma, Rob Cross, Annie Murphy Paul, Simon Roberts, Tony O’Driscoll, Azeem Ahzar, Rita McGrath and Todd Kashdan.
0.00 Introduction
1.01 Caroline Williams
3.52 Oliver Burkeman
9.12 Vulnerability interview: What’s the biggest lie you’ve told at work?
11.14 Vulnerability interview: What personal development topic do you most avoid confronting?
13.09 Steve Fleming
15.36 Amy Herman
18.15 Susan Neiman
21.45 Vulnerability interview: Where do you feel most vulnerable in your work?
26.34 Ranjay Gulati
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Professor Henry Shue, Professor Emeritus of Politics and International Relations at Merton College, Oxford and author of the book Basic Rights (Princeton 1980; 2nd edition, 1996; 40th anniversary edition with new chapter on climate change, 2020). Today, Henry’s focus is the moral responsibility that we have in slowing and reversing climate change, arguing that ‘we are the pivotal generation, the time is now’.
0.00 Introduction
2.38 Can you take us on a quick tour of your life’s work and ideas?
5.28 Which thought leaders and ideas have most informed your thinking?
10.32 Why are we the pivotal generation?
14.13 How can we be sure that we don’t underestimate the intelligence, foresight and determination of those who want to prevent the policy changes that need so desperately?
19.29 Can you give us an insight into the kind of questions that you are putting to leaders of organisations who might be impacting the problem?
25.03 The moral imperative is that we should be taking responsibility for the solution to this, so why aren’t governments forcing organisations to divert profits into developing new cleaner technologies?
27.14 How could we educate more people to accept the realities before them and put more pressure on companies who exacerbate climate change?
32.17 You’ve talked about the relationship that we have time and how it effects our sense of urgency. Can you talk to us a little about that?
37.17 How do you think (particularly) younger generations who are feeling angry about poor leadership are feeling about it?
41.23 Are there any tangible/practical pieces of advice that you can give to our listeners who are thinking that they want to do their part?
47.28 How are we deceiving ourselves around climate change?
54.36 What’s your next area of focus?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, host Jean Gomes talks to Dr Lucy Hone. Lucy is an adjunct senior fellow at the University of Canterbury (NZ) and author of Resilient Grieving: Finding Strength and Embracing Life After a Loss that Changes Everything. In 2020, she also delivered the TED talk 3 Secrets of Resilient People, which to date has over five million views and is one of the Top 20 TED talks of 2020.
0.00 Introduction
1.20 Can we start with your story, and how the journey that you’ve been on has led you to discover new things about yourself and the ideas of resilience?
6.48 Many people will have read about the Kübler-Ross model which describes the five common stages of grief. How does that model sit with you?
13.13 Can you run us through some of the highlights of the ideas that you shared during your TedX talk?
21.31 You describe three stages which are all thought processes. Where does the meta emotional part play into this?
26.41 What have we learnt about resilience through the pandemic?
28.47 Where do you think people fall into thinking traps around resilience, misinterpreting what it really is?
31.41 What have you learnt about how parents can be best support children with grief while also allowing themselves the capacity to grieve?
35.27 What are doing next?
37.31 You mentioned earlier what some organisations might be getting wrong around resilience. Can we talk about the importance of psychological safety?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Dan Olsen. Based in Silicon Valley, Dan is a consultant, speaker, host of the monthly Lean Product & Lean UX Meetup and author of bestselling ‘The Lean Product Playbook’.
The Lean Product Playbook
0.00 Introduction
2.28 Tell us about your background and what fuels your passion for product development?
3.50 Why do products fail and why do organisations keep on building things that we may not want?
5.14 Can you give us your definition or poor product fit?
6.45 Talk us through the layers of the product-market fit model.
12.02 How do you build the awareness to recognise when you’re sliding into the solution before you have an understanding of the problem?
15.26 Can you tell us the story of the space pen?
19.28 How do you help people to change their mindet around being able to avoid the immediate gratification?
24.28 Tell us what you’ve learnt about the idea of the MVP.
30.00 What’s the most extraordinary pivot that you’ve seen?
32.24 Can you say more about when it’s time to listen to the customer as opposed to when it’s time to take an alternative approach?
36.04 How should we be using data to better understand consumer behaviour?
38.16 The other problematic part of this is pricing. What have you learnt about approaching that?
43.20 What have you learnt about how to help leaders make better decisions and make good bets?
51.54 Given everything that’s happened in the last two years, how do you think that’s going to play out in terms of how people think about creating great products in the future?
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The Art of Insubordination with Todd Kashdan
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Is it time for organizations to start hiring chief collaboration officers? In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean and Scott talk to Rob Cross, Professor of Global Leadership at Babson College in Wellesley, Massachusetts, author of ‘Beyond Collaboration Overload’ and consultant. Rob explains that while collaboration can be the answer to many business challenges, leaders must learn to recognize, promote, and efficiently distribute the right kinds of collaborative work, or their teams and top talent will bear the costs of too much demand for too little supply.
Beyond Collaboration Overload (Harvard Business Review Press, 2021)
0.00 Introduction
3.02 Can you give us some background to your work and approaches, particularly in network analysis that led you to the ideas you write about in Beyond Collaboration Overload?
5.35 Can you give us an overview of the two parts of the book and tell us what the payoff is for those who read it?
8.20 What do you mean by identity triggers?
10.40 How can someone identify their particular identity trigger, that gets them stuck in patterns of behaviours and responsiveness that are counterproductive for them?
11.49 Can you give us a snapshot of what a day in the life of ‘Scott’ (a character in your book) might be?
15.59 How are the command and control fanatics that still exist in some organisations coping with collaboration overload?
18.26 When you go into a C-suite, how do you help them better understand this strategically?
20.03 What have you observed about the different types of collaboration?
25.44 Can you share some of your other ideas around how we might avoid other forms of overload and/or other recurring microstressers that impact on us?
32.41 Is all of this reliant on your getting to grips with your identity trigger first?
34.22 What have you learnt about how high performers are now spending their time, especially those who might get back 18-24% of their time by incorporating these tactics?
39.44 Can you talk to us about the cumulative effects of microstressers?
45.43 The point you made earlier about understanding your needs requires a certain type of self-awareness because as we get busier, we run the risk of being cut off from what we’re feeling. What have you learnt about high performers and their ability to tune into those needs?
49.08 What happened to the character ‘Scott’ who we mentioned earlier in the interview?
52.26 In ten years time, what could an organisation that embraces more of this understanding look like?
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The Science of Seeing Differently with Dr Beau Lotto
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean and Scott talk to Amy Herman. Amy is a lawyer, art historian, author and founder and president of The Art of Perception Inc. a New York-based organization that conducts professional development courses for leaders around the world, from Secret Service agents to prison wardens. By showing people how to look closely at paintings, sculpture, and photography, she helps them hone their visual intelligence to recognize the most pertinent and useful information as well as recognise biases that impede decision making.
Fixed.: How to Perfect the Fine Art of Problem Solving
smART, Use Your Eyes to Boost Your Brain
0.00 Introduction
2.59 Tell us how you combined your skill as a lawyer with your passion for art to form what is a pretty unique job.
5.21 Where does the term visual intelligence originate?
8.59 What’s the take away for people who attend your course?
10.56 Can you give us a deeper explanation as to what visual intelligence is?
13.18 So how do you learn to see what’s not there? Can you talk us through your process?
16.36 Many people coming on to your course will be out of their comfort zone. Can you tell us what they’re going through?
19.09 Tell us about their emotional response to this situation.
20.49 Can you give a bit more about distinguishing between objective and subjective conclusions?
23.02 How do these experiences with art help to confront and maybe even resolve some biases?
26.05 You have the opportunity to be quite provocative with people in some of the things that you do. What does that create in people?
29.36 How do you help people come to terms with making the distinction between thinking and seeing?
32.23 Is important to also ask ‘what are we not seeing’?
36.05 Towards the end of Fixed, you suggest that you may have reached the limits of what you could achieve using art and open ended questions. However, talking to you today it sounds like you’ve overcome that.
40.45 Tell us about your new book smART.
42.45 As we draw to a close, what’s the biggest take away here?
Recommended listening from the Evolving Leader archive:
Distinguishing Risk and Uncertainty with Sir John Kay
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During this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Caroline Williams, whose latest book ‘Move’ explores the emerging science of how movement opens up ‘a hotline to our minds’. Caroline is also a public speaker (including her 2014 TedX titled ‘Pimp My Brain’), consultant and writer for New Scientist and is the editor of two of New Scientist’s Instant Expert Guides, How Your Brain Works: Inside the most complicated object in the known universe (John Murray, 2017) and Your Conscious Mind: Unravelling the greatest mystery of the human brain (John Murray, 2017).
Move: How the New Science of Body Movement Can Set Your Mind Free
0.00 Introduction
2.33 What drew you into studying movement?
4.50 What are the implications of living a sedentary life?
7.26 In your book you write about the evolutionary internalisation of movement. Can you elaborate on that?
11.35 You write about how breathing and related exercises aid decision making, and also cite a 2016 study that shows that we can synchronise our breathing with our brainwaves. Can you talk to us about that?
14.17 What have you learnt for yourself through this work, what have you taken on board?
15.55 What advice would you give to leaders about how to ensure that their team are adopting movement practices in order to get the most out of them?
18.19 Was there anything that surprised you whilst researching the book?
20.18 You mention (in particular) one study about First Responders and 9/11. Can you talk to us about that?
23.31 What are we learning about elderly physical movement?
25.36 What are your favourite movements?
27.10 What else is catching your attention right now?
32.24 What did you learn about osteocalcin?
36.01 What’s the ideal amount of exercise and how should people be approaching that with intentionality?
39.43 What’s your next project?
Recommended listening from the Evolving Leader archive:
The Next 15 Years with Kevin Kelly
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This episode of the Evolving Leader podcast features a conversation between co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender and future of work thought leader Professor Lynda Gratton. As professor of management practice at London Business School, Lynda Gratton designed the human resource strategy and transforming companies programme, which she has since led for over 20 years. She is founder of the global research advisory practice HSM Advisory and has written ten books exploring the changing relationship between people strategy and business performance. Lynda Gratton is also a fellow of the World Economic Forum.
Redesigning Work: How to Transform Your Organisation and Make Hybrid Work for Everyone
0.00 Introduction
1.48 Can you give us a pen portrait of your career and the key areas of your focus?
3.37 What’s your assessment of what’s currently going on in the workplace?
7.10 Can you take us through the four steps that you believe organisations need to make in order to make the most of the global shift?
11.54 Who are you seeing getting this right?
18.07 Seeing as this was the first time that so many people around the world went through the same experience, our value sets and world view may have changed. What are you observing on that front?
23.39 Is the doubling of the number of meetings because we’ve lost the ability to pop in on each other and have the ‘water cooler’ conversations?
27.05 Going back to your ‘Hybrid Working’ article in HBR, what do we take forward from what we’ve learnt through this intense experiment and what do we let go of do you think?
32.12 So as organisation’s experiment, and employees are looking at the realities of working longer and the added complexities of their lives, what should companies be doing to support the wellbeing of their teams?
37.13 Do you think organisations should reconsider freezing again and what do you think are the most dangerous assumptions that we might be making right now to leave untested?
39.41 I love what you’re saying about baking in agility.
41.12 If you could guess, what do you think the world of work is going to look like in 20 or 30 years time?
46.50 How can people get in touch with you?
47.53 Can we plant a question in our audience’s mind about how to think about the future of work?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to author and former Guardian journalist Oliver Burkeman. For more than 10 years, Oliver Burkeman wrote the weekly ‘This Column Will Change Your Life’ column in the Guardian newspaper providing readers with ideas for a better life. In his latest book 4000 weeks, he rejects the obsession with 'getting everything done,' and introduces readers to tools for constructing a meaningful life by embracing rather than denying their limitations.
Four Thousand Weeks (Vintage, 2022)
This Column Will Change Your Life ‘the eight secrets to a (fairly) fulfilled life’. Oliver Burkeman's final weekly column in the Guarding (pubished 4 September, 2020)
0.00 Introduction
2.40 Could we have a brief tour of your world and how you became a chronicler of ideas about living a good life.
5.20 When you look back at your Guardian column, what were some of the ideas and people that most stood out to you?
8.11 Tell us why you wrote 4000 weeks.
10.41 How has our concept of time changed through the ages?
15.43 Can you tell us about the paradox of limitation?
18.09 You describe how the German philosopher, Martin Heidegger argued that our finite existence is bound with time and that most of us spend our time denying this fact either through distraction or denial – what can we take from his thinking by flipping the constraints of mortality?
23.24 How are we using distraction as avoidance, and how could positive distraction be useful?
28.30 Let’s turn to the benefits of procrastination.
32.34 In the context of organisational life, how should leaders think about the idea of inevitable limitations?
37.45 How can the mindset shift that underlies 4000 weeks be applied in an organisation? As a leader, what steps can be taken to normalise a change in philosophy whilst at the same time preventing it from being misused as an invitation to stop making plans for the future?
42.25 This is where we hobbies and family life makes such a difference to our lives – how we’re almost embarrassed to confess we have such a thing as a hobby. Can you talk about paying yourself first?
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“Meet a stressed young manager, Mae B, whose teams are being led by an authoritarian CEO. We join her on her mission to overhaul the outdated leadership systems obsessed by power, profit and process and fight for central leadership that prioritises people, purpose and principles.”
Talking to Evolving Leader hosts Scott and Jean, Tony O’Driscoll (professor at Duke University's Fuqua School of Business and a Research Fellow at Duke Corporate Education) and Gary Zamchick (illustrator, innovation strategy consultant and co-founder of start-up Words-Eye) explain their novel approach to writing ‘Everyday Superhero – How You Can Inspire Everyone And Create Real Change At Work’, a book that one reviewer refers to as ‘an entertaining tale with a serious message’.
‘Everyday Superhero – How You Can Inspire Everyone And Create Real Change At Work’ (Penguin Business, 2022)
0.00 Introduction
2.46 What’s the single most purpose driven aspect of your work?
4.42 Why did you decide to move away from writing a traditional business book?
8.28 Give us your pitch for the book.
11.23 What was it for you personally that led you realise that ‘the human piece is really missing’?
14.14 If businesses move to competing based on imagination, what’s the environment that would give them a competitive edge?
16.28 Talk us through the story behind the book.
22.34 How did you meet?
26.00 How does your creative partnership work?
29.41 Can we focus a little deeper on the issue of change?
35.41 Who is getting this right? Where are you seeing evidence of the kind of change that you’re talking about?
39.27 As markets and communities are coming together to drive change (as opposed to organisations), how does that influence your thinking?
45.06 In your book, the character Mae B is trapped in a bureaucratic system and is the person we all end up wanting to associate with. Tell us a little about this character.
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by Dr Nate Zinsser. Dr Zinsser is an expert in the psychology of human performance and has worked at the forefront of applied sports psychology for over 30 years. His research has been published in several journals and in the widely used textbook ‘Applied Sport Psychology: Personal Growth to Peak Performance’. Dr Zinsser is the director of the performance psychology programme at West Point (The United States Military Academy) where he has been the lead performance psychologist since 1992, personally conducting over seventeen thousand individual training sessions and seven hundred team training sessions for cadets seeking the mental edge for athletic, academic, and military performance.
Nate Zinsser’s book ‘The Confident Mind, a Battle-Tested Guide to Unshakable Performance’ was published in 2022.
0.00 Introduction
2.29 Could you give us a picture of what West Point is?
5.46 How has the field of performance psychology evolved during your 30 years as director at West Point?
11.15 Can you take us through some of the building blocks of the skills that you have brought from the world of sports psychology into the military?
13.49 Can you give us an example of something that you did that would have been quite counterintuitive to the culture at West point at the time?
16.15 Have the values and culture at West Point changed as a result of the work you’ve been doing?
19.18 How do you help somebody who feels that they don’t belong here?
24.03 What do you mean by confidence, and what can we do to help ourselves and others become more confident?
27.45 From a practical perspective, what do you do to help people who are at an inflection point in their career to build confidence?
31.35 During your time at West Point, have you seen a change in the self-awareness and the knowledge around psychology and performance science in the cadets who come into the college?
34.40 Tell us about your new book ‘The Confident Mind’
39.19 What would you say to a leader who is struggling to help someone on their team increase their confidence?
42.02 How do we bring up confident children?
46.32 What is exciting you right now? Where is your attention at the moment?
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"My purpose is simple; I want to create a world where everybody in every workplace feels they genuinely have the choice to put up their hand and ask for help when they are suffering from mental ill health" (Geoff McDonald, LinkedIn Profile).
This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, host Scott Allender talks to Geoff McDonald. Former Global VP of HR at Unilever, Geoff is now a speaker and a business transformation consultant who inspires leaders to embrace mental health and empower organisations to put purpose at their core and play their positive role in the world.
Listen as Geoff shares his very personal inspiring journey.
https://geoffmcdonald.co.uk/
https://www.mindsatworkmovement.com/
The acronym that Geoff describes:
CAN DO
- Connection
- Active
- Being Nice to somebody every day
- Discover
- Observe
0.00 Introduction
1.25 Could you start by telling us about the event that changed the course of your life?
5.50 I’d like to understand more about your first anxiety fuelled panic attack, and the support that you received.
14.17 What can leaders do with their teams to normalise the mental health conversation?
26.25 Could you tell us about your charity Minds At Work?
31.23 What are your thoughts on the accountability and responsibility that social networks are taking around the mental health of their users?
36.33 How can parents help their children with regard to their mental health and the external pressures that they face?
39.07 How can people who are listening to this podcast get more connected with their inner experience before their bodies sound the alarm?
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Are you clear as to what your personal or organisation’s purpose is? In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Harvard Business School Professor Ranjay Gulati. Professor Gulati’s research around purpose focusses on why it has become increasingly important for organisations. In his book ‘Purpose, the heart and soul of high performance companies’, Ranjay Gulati argues that a deeper engagement with purpose can serve as a radically new operating system, enhancing performance while also delivering meaningful benefits to society.
‘Deep Purpose, the Heart and Soul of High-Performance Companies’ (Ranjay Gulati, Penguin, 2022)
0.00 Introduction
2.17 Could you start by giving us a brief tour of your career and tell us what sparks your curiosity?
5.43 Why do you think purpose has become such a key focus for organisations in the last decade?
8.26 How do you define purpose and how might some people be misconstruing what purpose is?
12.31 You’ve said that pursuing a purposeful course means maintaining a difficult balance between meeting the expectations of old and new stakeholders, something that you refer to as walking the razor’s edge. Can you describe what that entails?
16.32 How might organisations that do not have an embodied sense of purpose start to build that?
19.16 Can you talk us through the ‘four levers that you need to pull’ in order to align purpose with performance?
24.58 You talk about purpose being rooted in organisational history. How does having this connection with the past give people more clarity about the future, especially in a world that is changing so quickly?
27.50 How can purpose help an organisation face quite considerable disruption more ethically?
33.39 When you start talking in these terms, you are inviting greater scrutiny on your organisation, and that can be really helpful can’t it?
36.32 Have there been any companies that you’ve spoken to that have left you deeply inspired?
38.15 Do you see (in your students particularly) a shift in interest towards this area? How has the values of the generations you are working with influenced the future in this respect?
40.07 You also say that purpose is fragile….
43.16 What impact has this work had on you personally, how has it changed your sense of purpose?
46.47 What’s next for you?
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Can you measure and track how successfully your organisation is innovating? This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Dan Toma, co-author of ‘Innovation Accounting‘, who says that the traditional management tools available to leaders wanting to understand investments in innovation are lacking, instead proposing a new set of frameworks and tools that go beyond just financial indicators.
Innovation Accounting – A Practical Guide for Measuring Your Innovation Ecosystem’s Performance (BIS, 2021)
0.00 Introduction
2.05 Could you start by sharing your journey?
4.55 Could you tell us why it’s important for an organisation to develop its own innovation ecosystem?
7.24 Is that approach being adopted by organisations or are many sticking with the traditional ‘small innovation team’ approach?
9.23 What are the biggest pitfalls for corporates when they start to adopt this?
13.40 Could you give us a working definition of innovation accounting and also some of your ideas around the different types of innovation and what they look like?
16.34 Can you take us through an example of how an innovation accounting system could be built using the tools and frameworks you provide in your book?
19.42 What mindset shifts does an organisation need to make in order to embrace innovation accounting?
24.30 What is the most useful starting point in order to establish the common ground between finance and innovation teams?
27.09 How do people who are prone to big picture large innovation thinking take those ideas forwards in pragmatic, not over romanticised ways?
30.45 When you go into an organisation that might be lacking creativity and imagination (where the focus is on maintaining past success), what can you do to start them valuing that from an innovation accounting perspective?
33.43 What single piece of advice can you give to our listeners, whether or not they are in formal innovation roles?
35.37 What’s next for you, what are you working on now?
37.25 If an organisation adopts innovation accounting, what looks different and what’s happening in the organisation that’s not happening today?
38.24 How did Covid impact innovation in organisations?
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This week on the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean and Scott talk to Professor Stephen Fleming, one of the world’s leading neuroscientists whose life’s work is the study of metacognition (the ability to think about thinking). How does this influence our self-awareness and our ability to make good judgements? Find out in this fascinating episode.
Know Thyself - The New Science of Self-Awareness (Hachette, 2021)
0.00 Introduction
2.35 Could you start by giving us a definition of metacognition?
4.38 What’s the difference between conscious and unconscious metacognition?
7.11 In your book Know Thyself, you write about how our brains are constantly trying to solve inverse problems, trying to understand the root causes of things. Can you help us understand this concept?
11.08 How might we sense metacognition?
15.46 What kinds of experiments are you looking at that help to see when unconscious awareness and explicit awareness are at odds?
19.14 Can you talk to us about how metacognition (as an attribute) can be developed?
21.50 You’ve said that recognising people with low metacognition can be one of the best predictors in identifying people who are more dogmatic. Can you tell us about some of the work that you’ve done around this and what you’ve learnt?
28.52 How can metacognition help us to understand other people more?
32.51 What are the breakthroughs that you are making and how might they inform artificial intelligence?
36.32 When we start to embrace more embedded technology in human beings, how does metacognition work when it’s directly integrated into our bodies?
40.20 What’s really exciting you right now? What are the standout things that you are working on?
44.17 Can you paint a picture for us as to what it’s like to work in your lab. What’s going on?
49.06 What are the important take-aways from your work for leaders to consider?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Ron Carucci, experienced strategy, organization and leadership transformation expert, co-founder and managing partner at leadership consultancy Navalent and author of eight bestselling books.
To Be Honest: Lead with the Power of Truth, Justice and Purpose (Kogan Page, 2021)
0.00 Introduction
3.04 Can you give us an overview of your approach to helping grow and develop leaders?
4.47 You talk about the language you use at Navalent, specifically within, between and among. Can you give us some context or an example of what it looks like to go in and raise awareness around those three components?
7.39 In a situation where people are deeply embedded, but when forced to change both the individual and organisation find themselves facing a crisis as they are out of step with the market reality, what’s your learning from that situation?
12.56 What’s the biggest trap that you find yourself in that might actually reinforce the problem?
14.58 In your 2014 book ‘Rising To Power’, you state that 50% of leaders rising up to new formal levels of influence within the organisation fail within 18 months. From your perspective, why is this and what can someone do to avoid becoming part of that statistic?
21.31 In your latest book ‘To be honest’, you identify four factors that have a profound impact on honesty, justice and purpose within an organisation. However if these factors are missing or are dysfunctional, the organisational conditions compel employees to choose dishonesty and self-interest. Can you unpack that for us?
28.41 What’s the delta between organisations that think they have these attributes and are living them versus organisations that actually do have them?
33.55 You’ve referenced your research in neuroscience, and both Scott and I are particularly interested in the science of mindset and self-awareness. What have you learnt that’s changed your thinking in recent years?
36.47 What’s your next big project?
40.19 Who has inspired you as a leader or organisation?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to one of the world’s leading moral philosophers Professor Susan Neiman. Professor Neiman is currently the director of the Einstein Forum in Potsdam, and the former professor of philosophy at Yale and Tel Aviv Universities. Her books include ‘Moral Clarity, A Guide for Grown-Up Idealists’ and ‘Why Grow Up, Subversive Thoughts for an Infantile Age’.
0.00 Introduction
2.02 Can you start by sharing some of the experience that shaped your world view, and the role that they played in forming the central ideas that sit at the heart of your work.
6.16 Can we turn to ‘Moral Clarity’, which centres on the failure of our culture to meet our moral needs and the problems that this creates in society. Can you take us through some of the central arguments.
15.08 I’m really interested in this loss of moral language in the progressive parts of society. Is there something else that was going on with relativism etc that started to make it hard for that group of people to talk about it?
23.58 Since you wrote moral clarity we’ve had a number of shock points including the Trump Presidency, Brexit and the growing influence of social media. How have these moments evolved your thinking?
37.19 In your book ‘Why Group Up’ you address the widespread infantilism that you feel pervades so much of society. Why do you think that’s happened?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to business anthropologist Simon Roberts. In addition to being a co-founder of Stripe Partners, Simon founded the UKs first dedicated ethnographic research company in 2001, he’s run an innovation lab at Intel and is currently board president of the EPIC community. In 2020 his book The Power of Not Thinking: How Our Bodies Learn and Why We Should Trust Them was published.
The Power of Not Thinking: How Our Bodies Learn and Why We Should Trust Them
0.00 Introduction
2.27 How are you feeling?
3.22 Can you start by telling us about your background?
5.59 Can you explain what an anthropologist involved in ethnographic research does and how you do it?
8.29 Can you give us some of the practical techniques that you might use to actually uncover what’s going on?
12.17 In your book you break down the idea of embodied knowledge. Can you give us an overview of what that is and why we should trust our bodies more?
14.05 How do we delineate between the brain’s ability to create habit vs the body knowledge?
18.34 Could you talk us through the context for your book?
26.07 In your book you list five features of embodied knowledge. Could you give us a high level overview of what those are?
32.27 How would somebody get more connected to the embodied sense of an empathetic experience in their daily lives?
36.39 An increasing number of industries are relying more and more on proxies because data is so attractive, but you talk about the dangers of building businesses in that way. What are we missing when we do that?
41.09 Which organisations have you seen that are best at maintaining that continuous connection with the world in the way that you are describing?
44.15 Can you share your thoughts on embodied knowledge for policy makers?
47.50 How do you enhance your own ability to trust and apply embodied knowledge?
52.04 You’ve talked about discomfort. What’s the experience that created the most discomfort in you?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean Gomes talks to Monika Bielskyte. Monika previously appeared on the podcast back in season 3, episode 10 and we invited her back to get a picture beyond the news feed about Ukraine. In this very special episode, Monika provides a visceral picture of what’s currently happening to the country and its people and why.
0.00 Introduction
1.25 What are your connections to Ukraine?
11.12 What are we (in the West) missing regarding the situation in Ukraine?
23.43 What’s the shared hope held by many of the generation who have never grown up under an authoritarian regime?
34.08 What’s your take on President Zelenskiy and his leadership?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by Professor Marcus du Sautoy. Marcus is Simonyi Professor for the Public Understanding of Science at the University of Oxford, Fellow of New College, Oxford, author of multiple popular science and mathematics books and he is a regular contributor on television, radio and to both The Times and The Guardian. He is also passionate about public engagement on topics that include creativity and artificial intelligence.
0.00 Introduction
2.23 Where does your love of mathematics originate?
6.11 What is mathematics really about for you?
8.35 Can you explain what zeta functions are, and why symmetry and the function of groups is important to learn more about.
12.24 What did you draw from the moment that DeepMind’s AlphaGo beat Lee Sedol?
16.12 What are your thoughts around the possibility that AI can be creative, so taking us down a path where consciousness may not be the thing that actually happens, but we might actually get something totally new that doesn’t exist in our minds or reckoning at the moment?
18.35 How do we prevent ourselves from having something that we don’t understand governing our lives?
20.44 In your book ‘What We Cannot Know’, you explored if there are questions that we may never have the answer to, and therefore our living with the unknown. Could you elaborate on that idea for us?
25.52 You’ve written about the conflict between physics and mathematics, and also your idea that mathematics exists outside of humans so it’s not a human construction and would exist without us. Could you elaborate on those two points?
33.13 Tell us about your latest book ‘Thinking Better’ where you search for short cuts, not just in mathematics but also other fields.
36.14 A lot of people think of maths as being hard. However, you can use maths, the concepts and frameworks without being an expert mathematician. Can you bring that to life for us?
43.09 Tell us about the work you’ve been doing to bring Douglas Hofstadter’s life story to the Barbican in London.
48.28 You’ve said that we can’t fully know something when we’re stuck in a system whether consciously or unconsciously. What is the leadership lesson or opportunity that we can take from that?
53.06 When was the last time you had a real ‘aha’ moment, and what’s the biggest challenge that you are working on at the moment?
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Kicking off season 4 of the Evolving Leader podcast is a discussion that co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes had with BCG Henderson Institute chairman and author Martin Reeves. The Henderson Institute is BCG’s think tank dedicated to exploring and developing new insights from business, technology, economics and science by embracing the powerful technology of ideas.
Sit back and listen as Martin unpacks how imagination works and how organisations can keep it alive and harness it in a systematic way.
‘The Imagination Machine – How to Spark New Ideas and Create Your Company’s Future’ (Jack Fuller and Martin Reeves, 2021, Harvard Business Review Press)
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0.00 Introduction
2.22 Can we start with your background, and what inspired you to write ‘The Imagination Machine’
4.01 Why do you think there appears to be an absence of imagination in so many large organisations?
5.55 It’s easy to think about imagination as being solely a psychological process, but your research has revealed something else. What have you found and what does it mean in terms of how that notion should be challenged?
8.23 Can we delve into some of the neuroscience and research that you have uncovered that underpins your thinking.
15.50 Are organisations set up (almost) as surprise mitigation machines, so repressing new mindsets that would potentially unlock new business models?
17.55 Can you outline the six step process that you describe in your book around harnessing and scaling imagination and creativity in a systemised way?
24.41 How can we get better at this? What could a listener do in their organisation to adopt some of these strategies?
30.43 You talk about play as being de-risked accelerated learning. Talk to us about the importance of play and where you are seeing it being adopted.
37.27 You have mentioned that crisis can be an inflection point for reimagination. What have you observed during the pandemic?
42.34 Is there a link between capacity for imagination and sense making?
45.56 What role will/does technology play in organisations that are reimagining themselves?
52.11 What should leaders be prioritising? What are the specific things that they should be doing more of that they’re not to imbue their organisations with a greater sense of imagination at both a cultural and capability level?
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As we close season 3 of the Evolving Leader podcast, it’s time to reflect on some of our highlights from the last 18 episodes. We continue to learn so much from our incredible guests who not only give us their valuable time, but are also so willing to share their expertise and current thinking which in turn helps us to develop our own thinking around what being an evolving leader really means.
The Evolving Leader podcast will return in March with the start of season 4, but in the mean time sit back and listen as we talk to Rita Gunther McGrath, Kevin Kelly, Tim Lomas, Will Page, Todd Kashdan, Steve Ingham, Leanne Infante, Monika Bielskyte, Anil Seth, Rob Murray, Steve Killelea, Azeem Azhar and Annie Murphy Paul.
0.00 Introduction
2.01 Rita Gunther McGrath
5.03 Kevin Kelly
7.05 Tim Lomas
9.49 Will Page
14.16 Todd Kashdan
17.46 Steve Ingham
18.47 Leanne Infante
21.43 Monika Bielskyte
24.25 Anil Seth
26.23 Rob Murray
27.58 Steve Killelea
29.24 Azeem Azhar
32.57 Annie Murphy Paul
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When you face a difficult situation, how often have you heard someone say, ‘just use your head’? This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean and Scott talk to acclaimed science writer Annie Murphy Paul who turns that around and says that in fact we ‘think outside the brain’, suggesting that the people, things and space around us have a profound effect on how we think, feel and develop. Published in 2021, her book ‘The Extended Mind, The Power of Thinking Outside the Brain’ has been awarded the New York Times Editors Choice and Washington Post Best Nonfiction Book of 2021.
0.00 Introduction
2.26 Can we start with your background, and how you became interested in the biological and social sciences.
4.46 Can we look at what the components are of the extended mind and could you give us some examples of the research that you have uncovered when talking to neuroscientists and psychologists that bring this to life.
10.17 Can you tell us a little about how ‘the body knows before the mind’.
13.35 What other thoughts and ideas could you share about how we could build greater awareness of our interoceptive processes?
15.49 Could you talk to us about emotional reappraisal?
19.30 What happens to our thinking when we are moving and what is the ideal amount of movement?
24.02 How do gestures impact our thinking?
27.14 Can we move to thinking about how extending the intelligence out of the mind to our surroundings
29.47 What has been most surprising in all of this for you?
31.47 How has it changed you?
33.36 Thinking about the challenges that are facing leaders, particularly around Covid and the decision to bring people back, when to work at home and when to work in a collaborative physical space. What are your insights there?
35.50 What’s next for you?
37.34 Is there anything else that you would leave us with today?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean and Scott talk to Gerard Puccio, author, creativity researcher, TEDx presenter and Chair and Professor at the International Center for Studies in Creativity, Buffalo State. Gerard helps individuals, teams, and organizations reach their greatest potential by tapping into and expanding their capacity to imagine new possibilities and to creatively address complex problems. He states that in a world defined by complexity and change, creative thinking has become the number one survival skill and on the back of that his mission is to help individuals, teams and organizations ignite and fully maximize their creative potential – not just to survive, but to thrive.
0.00 Introduction
2.33 Please start by giving us a sense of your research into creativity and areas that currently most excite you
5.18 In a much cited piece of research published by IBM as far back as 2010, creativity was selected as the most crucial factor for future success. In 2022, why are so many businesses still prioritising what they have now with a focus on ways to prevent risk and deviation?
14.48 In an organisation where there are a lot of good ideas at the top, but they repeatedly fail to become commercial realities (in other words creativity breaks down), what needs be developed in the team so they are able to take the ideas through to becoming a reality.
18.45 Tell us a little about the FourSight tool
26.29 Do you have a view on the best ideation techniques
29.15 What have you learnt about yourself in terms of being in a social environment and generating ideas?
34.38 How do you prevent yourself from falling in love with an idea and potentially stalling when in fact you should be detaching yourself from that originally idea allowing yourself to create more and more alternatives?
38.49 Who is doing well in the creativity space?
42.01 Do you share the view that there is a problem nurturing creativity in education?
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean and Scott talk to author, educator, and consultant Jeffrey Hull PhD. In addition to his writing and consultancy, Jeffrey is a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School and an adjunct professor of leadership at New York University.
Flex, The Art and Science of Leadership in a Changing World
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to entrepreneur, investor, and the creator of highly-regarded newsletter ‘Exponential View’ Azeem Azhar. Much of the world is witnessing radical societal change driven by exponential technologies that are transforming how we live and interact with one another and disrupting our economic and social norms in highly unpredictable ways. In his recent book ‘Exponential: How to Bridge the Gap Between Technology and Society’, Azeem Azhar describes the widening gap between technology and society and its ramifications.
Reading suggestion -
'Exponential: How to Bridge the Gap Between Technology and Society’, (Random House, 2021)
0.00 Introduction
2.30 Tell us about your journey and how that influenced your views regarding how new technologies are accelerating change and as a result creating an exponential gap between the impact they have on the world and the scope of our institutions and policies.
11.33 What is the central message in your book from a leadership perspective? What could business leaders learn from the book?
17.06 How do you start the conversation with a CEO who hasn’t started to consider the use of exponential technologies within their organisation?
20.17 At a time when mankind’s biggest challenge is tackling climate change, can you share what you’re seeing in terms of the conflict of technology, political will and capability.
24,45 Another huge risk to our future is AI enhanced warfare where (for example) humans could be excluded from making decisions which could lead to catastrophic escalations. Could you give us your view on how this is developing?
30.47 In your view, how is remote working transforming the world?
37.57 If we pause to think about the future Metaverse (with Facebook having recently rebranded to Meta), how do we prevent it from deepening the problems with mental health and wellbeing that are dogging social media at the moment?
43.39 Thinking about some of the other major players in the techspace (including Apple, Amazon and Microsoft), what do you think their evolution is going to look like in the next ten years?
46.57 As leaders, how are we going to manage the exponential gap?
53.52 What has excited you during the last 6-12 months?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean and Scott talk to Anja Lovén. Anja founded the Danish ngo Land of Hope in 2012, and is a human rights activist dedicated to protecting and rescuing children in Nigeria accused of being witches. She gained media attention when in 2016 a photo from one of her rescue actions went viral and later that year was named as the world’s most inspiring person (ahead of out-going US president Barack Obama and the pope).
Land of Hope
0.00 Introduction
3.04 Tell us about your background prior to starting Land of Hope
10.35 What did you experience when you went to Africa?
22.03 You became widely known when in 2016 you were photographed rescuing a small boy who you subsequently named Hope. How is Hope doing today?
27.44 Tell us a little about ‘witch children’
34.20 What personal risks do you encounter in communities where you might find yourself confronting fear and sometimes corruption?
37.36 Is the ultimate goal with the education reunification?
43.44 What’s next for you?
50.06 How do you deal with the trauma associated with some of the situations you find yourself confronted by?
55.29 How can our listeners get involved with your organisation?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Steve Killelea. Steve is the founder and executive chairman of the global think tank the Institute for Economics and Peace and Steve’s funding and thought leadership behind the Institute have seen him recognised as one of the World’s 100 Most Influential People on reducing the onset of armed violence.
The Institute for Economics and Peace
Peace in the Age of Chaos: The Best Solution for a Sustainable Future
0.00 Introduction
2.57 Tell us your story. How did an IT entrepreneur find himself championing peace?
4.57 Can you tell us about the paradigm shift that you are working to create.
7.45 What are people’s biggest misconceptions about peace
9.42 In your book you say that in the past peace may have been the domain of the altruistic, whereas now it’s everyone’s self-interest because peace is central to a safe and productive society. Can you tell us more about that?
10.47 In the book, you also say that most of our leaders are trapped in an early age, a kind of Darwinian race to complete, and that dominates how they think about international relationships. In our increasingly interconnected world, how should leaders be evolving?
14.32 Tell us what your thinking is around the need for leaders to think at a systems level.
20.26 What would have to happen to for different organisations to integrate/un-silo?
22.26 From a systems perspective, what was your analysis of the last five years, the increase in popularism, what happened at Capitol Hill etc?
27.23 When you look at the world through the index of the eight pillars of positive peace, which countries are most vulnerable to being destabilised at the moment?
29.43 What are your thoughts or reactions to the formation of a world government?
32.04 How has the US faired on the index over the last five years culminating in the attack on Capitol Hill?
35.22 How did your entrepreneurial background influence the way you conceptualised and manage the IEP and actually created the international peace index?
39.11 Tell us a little bit about how you have developed yourself in relation to your own world view and the things that you do to sustain the level of energy that you must have to be driving all of this.
49.09 How can our listeners get involved with the work that you’re doing?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Rob Murray. Rob is a co-founder and CEO of Transformed Leader and a leadership thinker who strives for a deep level of authenticity whilst at the same time being supremely pragmatic in the realities of organisational life.
The Human Operating System. Recovering the Heart and Soul of Your Leadership (Jack Nicholson and Rob Murray, 2021)
0.00 Introduction
2.34 Let’s start with your story. Tell us about the work that your organisation does, and what motivated you to start the business in the first place?
6.16 What do you mean when you say that you were lonely with yourself?
7.39 What can this loss of identity be attributed to?
11.09 So having had time to reflect on this, what was your first move?
16.34 Exploring the relationship that we have with our partners, and the effect that this has on our leadership.
29.16 How have these scenarios influenced the work that you’re doing today, your writing and your research?
33.59 So if ‘how are you feeling?’ is a heart question, what is a soul question? What’s the difference?
40.45 On this show we’re fascinated with emotions, not as this hard-wired thing but as a sense making mechanism. You’re currently doing some research in this area for your PhD, can you tell us a little about that?
44.25 What are the most prevalent emotions that people are running away from, avoiding or suppressing that are governing their behaviours?
49.40 You mention that showing weakness is counter cultural in many business settings, so many people feeling this way supress it resulting in resentment.
53.09 Can we talk about anger, the emotion that is repressed in a lot of organisations, sometimes resulting in a feeling of false positivity.
57.22 Thinking through the lens of intentionality, of recovering the heart and soul of leadership, what is something specific that you could encourage our listeners with right now?
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For years explaining exactly how our brains conjure subjective conscious experience has been described by cognitive scientists as ‘the hard problem’. In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Professor Anil Seth, professor of cognitive and computational neuroscience at the University of Sussex whose book (Being You, Faber 2021) continues this exploration, proposing an idea of the human mind as a “highly evolved prediction machine”, rooted in the functions of the body and “constantly hallucinating the world and the self” to create reality.
0.00 Introduction
2.11 Let’s start with what consciousness is, and how your approach is about getting to the subjective experience
3.49 Until recently consciousness studies were held outside of science and more in the realms of philosophy. What’s changed to allow you to break down the unfathomable nature of the topic.
7.00 What drew you into this as a field of study?
8.30 Having read ‘Being You’, it’s clear that you take a multi-disciplinary approach to your studies. As a team, how are you successfully approaching this in terms of moving outside of the individual silos of thought.
10.15 You provide a really helpful picture of neuroscience and how it’s shifted as the metaphor of the brain as a computer to a prediction machine. Can you give our listeners a sense of how this helps to construct our sense of reality.
13.57 In ‘Being You’, you also provide an introduction to Bayesian inference and how our brain is performing this form of abductive reasoning unconsciously. Can we start with some basic definitions of the different types of reasoning and why Bayes has been such an influence in your work.
22.33 Can you tell us about your experience of LSD micro dosing, what was it like and why were you doing it?
25.36 What were you trying to discover with your hallucination machine?
28.26 You talk about consciousness as a construct, and that psychedelic experience gives evidence to that. Could it be argued that the psychedelic experience is actually a disruption to what’s going on?
30.58 Could you help me understand the free energy principle.
36.26 How are you seeing your work influencing our thinking on the development of AI?
45.04 Given everything that you have discovered and that you are continuing to work on, what does all of this tell us about being human that the people taking leadership roles in the world need to know about themselves?
48.51 What are the next frontiers for your research?
53.22 As exponential computing power and imaging continues to evolve over the next decade, what do you think you might be able to do then that you can’t now?
57.55 Do you think we need more multi-disciplinary approaches to exploring consciousness, or is that happening?
60.25 Who is most inspiring you as a thinker?
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This week on the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Monika Bielskyte. Monika is a futurist, VR and AR expert, internationally renowned public speaker and founder of the bleeding edge edutainment platform Protopia Futures, designed to explore visions of radically hopeful & inclusive futures centering Queerness, Indigeneity, Disability & previously marginalized cultural perspectives.
Protopia Futures Framework
0.00 Introduction
2.14 Tell us about your life
11.11 In one of your works you say that mainstream futurist thinking tends to extrapolate from the status quo. Can you lead us through this problem and into a better understanding of futurist thinking.
19.55 You’ve been speaking about how some people can be dismissive or even work to destroy the thing that runs contrary to the view that they hold and the ideal that they want. Do you see that at all, has it been a response that you’ve seen from some people during the pandemic?
31.01 What is Protopia and how does it help us think about the future differently?
42.56 Referring back to the Protopia Futures framework, as you say that was a collaborative effort and collaborations between a large group of clever people with strong opinions can be difficult. So how does that work in your world and how do you get this group of people to arrive at a form of words that they can back?
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“It’s clear that we have a massive problem in the way that we run our biggest and most powerful organisations.”
Listen as co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Philip Clarke, founder and CEO of strategic innovation consultancy Hunch, podcast host and author, about the eight pioneer principles needed to change the world.
Pioneers Wanted: ' A manifesto for radically ambitious leadership '
0.00 Introduction
1.56 How do you help leaders move away from incremental thinking?
7.28 What are the costs and implications from maintaining the status quo?
14.26 How do people make the leap from incremental thinking to being a pioneer who drives real growth?
22.07 Can you give us a summary of the eight pioneer principles that you describe in your book?
32.15 Two of the pioneering principles seem connected more to one’s mindset. Can you tell us a little more about resilience and what an appropriate level of expectation might be as a leader?
41.09 Do you think the next generations are inherently more pioneering?
49.26 What has been the most impressive or unexpected shift from pioneers during the Covid pandemic?
52.39 Which of your podcast episodes would you recommend to a new listener?
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New for season 3, we’re excited to release this first Under the Hood episode. Our intention is that these monthly discussions (which we’ll release alongside our regular weekly Evolving Leader episodes) will allow co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender additional airtime to dive a little deeper into many of the fascinating topics that they have explored with our guests since launching the podcast way back in September 2020.
During this episode, Jean and Scott focus on discussions that they enjoyed with guests from the fields of psychology and neuroscience and explore the emerging understanding of emotion and how that understanding can help leaders evolve.
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This week on the Evolving Leader, Jean talks to English rugby international Leanne Infante (née Riley) about what she’s learnt as a leader during her career both on and off the pitch. Leanne’s debut in the England squad was against South Africa in 2013 and she has since been central to England’s success including winning the Six Nations Grand Slam in 2019.
0.00 Introduction
0.41 How has the profile of women’s rugby developed during your career to date?
3.47 Give us some background to your career and career highlights
5.36 How has the game changed?
9.08 Tell us a little bit about the mindset of dealing with the setbacks, refusals, and uncertainty that you have faced.
12.33 How do you deal with the emotion (in the moment) that could be triggered when facing a setback? What’s your process for reframing those events?
14.58 What’s the mental process that allows you to view an individual as an opponent on the club rugby pitch and then switch to that same person being an ally in the international squad?
17.41 As scrum half, part of your role on the pitch is to co-ordinate the backs and the forwards. Talk a little bit about your role as a leader when co-ordinating those two elements within the team.
20.40 In addition to your technical excellence on the pitch and your obvious high levels of fitness and resilience, you also display a real ability to sense what’s happening in the game and as a result you often adapt your role taking it beyond what could be described as the text book scrum half. Is this ability to lean into the detail one minute and then pull back and make sense of what’s going on a natural thing or have you developed that?
24.32 Who has inspired you from a leadership perspective?
27.07 Both your profile and the profile of women’s rugby are growing and alongside that you have to deal with the ever-present social media that comments when things go well and also not so well. How does that play out in your life?
30.37 What does the future hold for the sport of woman’s rugby and also what part would you like to play in that?
34.15 Tell us about the challenges that you’re facing having recently moved from Saracens to the ambitious but potentially less high profile Bristol Bears.
38.04 Let’s talk about 2022 and the world cup. What are you most looking forward to and what are going to be the biggest challenges?
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Talking to Jean and Scott this week is Steve Ingham, one of the world’s most successful performance scientists. Steve has worked with over one thousand elite athletes, and over 200 of those (including Dame Jessica Ennis-Hill, Sir Steve Redgrave and Sir Matthew Pinsent) have gone on to achieve World or Olympic medal success.
Steve is author of the bestselling book ‘How to Support a Champion: The art of applying science to the elite athlete’.
0’00 Introduction
3.06 Background, career to date.
7.27 Can you tell us how you turned around the fortune of the British Olympic rowing team in a period of just 18 months.
14.08 What led you to focus on rest and renewal when working with those athletes?
18.49 Talk a little about what you’ve had to do in the past when faced with a coach who might not appreciate the value that your renewal approach brings.
22.37 Can you give us your thoughts around how the cumulative effect of making marginal gains over time can result in very significant advantages.
29.29 Often your work involves a deep dive in to the human needs and motivations of people in an organisation, and this in turn challenges businesses to think differently about how they deliver personal and organisational performance. What does this look like in an organisational setting?
34.07 When working with teams, your work will often include a focus on how members of the team engage with each other, as well as the importance of how you turn up, the trust, empathy and collective accountability. What impact has that had on you personally in terms of self-awareness and the way in which you have to think about setting your intent when working with others?
40.51 What practical advice would you give to a leader around prioritising their own recovery?
47.11 What are your thoughts about the future? What are we going to be hearing about in the area of performance development in the coming years?
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This week on the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to RJ Cordes. RJ is a research fellow at (American think tank) the Atlantic Council, and his research includes work around the fields of sensemaking and knowledge management. However, it feels like we may have just scratched the surface during our hour with polymath RJ Cordes - if you’d like a broader picture of RJ’s extensive research interests, you’ll find that on his personal website.
'Making sense of sensemaking' (Atlantic Council, 2020)
0’00 Introduction
2.36 Could you start by giving us some insight into your background, and also how you define sense making.
10.15 Your recently published paper ‘Making sense of sense making’ is full of useful insights that extend beyond Covid. What compelled you to write that paper, and could you talk us through some of the central take-aways.
20’04 Could you expand on what happens cognitively in your observation when people are no longer able to make sense of something.
28’03 What advice would you give someone trying to navigate division and uncertainty?
34’31 In a world where so many of us get information from highly curated feeds, what are the implications for leaders (thinking specifically about the future of work and knowledge transfer between teams)?
40’50 Could you share some of your findings from your research into the relationship between government funding and innovation.
42’42 In your opinion, what does the next decade hold in terms of the socio economic outlook?
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This week, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Dr Todd Kashdan, one of the world’s leading experts in the psychology of well-being, curiosity, metal flexibility and social relationships. In addition to having written more than 200 published scientific articles, Todd has also written three books, the most recent being ‘The Art Of Insubordination: How to Dissent and Defy Effectively’ (Bantam), a book described as being ‘a research-based toolbox for anyone who wants to create a world with more justice, creativity, and courage.’
0’00 Introduction
3.41 You describe your personal mantra as being a life devoted to the scientific exploration of unchartered human behaviour and its practical application to improve lives. What was it that set you on that course?
5.25 What are you trying to discover through your well-being lab?
8.50 How can we take care of our own sense of psychological well-being when in a situation surrounded by social divisiveness?
12.33 When you go into a situation where you have a strong belief that someone is wrong, how do you avoid going into that situation emotionally as non-curious?
16.40 Tell us the story of your children, the knife and the watermelon.
20.43 Is there any advice that you can give in a practical way of adopting the mindset of curiosity?
25.26 Tell us about your new book ‘The Art Of Insubordination’
29.25 From your perspective, what role do emotions play in the certainty that people have around their beliefs?
33.24 While you are at the top of the intellectual ladder in terms of development, do you still find that there are areas where you are not allowed to talk, is political correctness dominating your environment?
39.29 If we focus on identity’s role in certainty and the threat that people experience, from a psychological perspective is it people with a really strong identity that feel most threatened?
43.25 What would you say are the top three things that leaders need to think about in terms of evolving their mindset, that you think would help them most?
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In this bonus episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, host Scott Allender addresses the idea of knowability, or to put it another way being known. What does it mean as a leader to be knowable? Does it matter, and if so why?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-host Jean Gomes talks to Will Page, former chief economist at both Spotify and PRS for Music, visiting fellow at London School of Economics and author of the recently published ‘Tarzan Economics: Eight principles for pivoting through disruption’.
0’00 Introduction
0.43 Background to your career and what you are working on at the moment.
6.32 Tell us the story of how your father introduced you to the core principles of economics.
11.45 How many large organisations have a chief economist?
13.59 What is your book Tarzan Economics all about? Give us the pitch.
16.22 What advice are your giving to leaders in terms of shifting their mindset to work with disruption rather than to fight it?
19.24 When we think about how consumer’s consumption of music has shifted to a non linear model, how applicable is that shift to other markets, and how do you think like that when you are used to thinking in a linear abstraction from the past?
22.18 Talk to us a little bit about how you spot when to pivot (which is a key part of knowing when to jump from vine to vine).
29.24 How do economists within an organisation need to shift, what’s the agenda that they need to set for the next decade?
34.30 How do you hold the tension between preserving the value of the business and its growth and innovation for the future?
42.09 Can you talk to us about the OfCom framework and how that influenced some of your thinking?
48.45 Let’s talk about Tower Records and the notion of the long tail.
53.23 What’s your take on the short/medium/long-term outlook for the global economy?
61.15 So what’s your focus now?
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Dr Tim Lomas. Tim is one of the world’s leading researchers in positive psychology. He has published numerous papers on meditation, Buddhism and masculinity and has written several books including his most recent publication ‘Happiness - Found in Translation. A Glossary of Joy from Around the World’. In 2018 he delivered a TEDx talk where he introduced his current project, creating a crowd sourced lexicography of untranslatable words relating to wellbeing.
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2.12 How did you become interested in cross cultural perspectives on wellbeing.
6.43 Defining positive psychology.
13.04 What inspired you to start creating the positive lexicography of untranslatable words, and what is this work revealing?
19.40 Exploring how so many of the words within the lexicography are not one emotion, but are more often a mixture of competing emotions.
26.45 Some of Tim’s favourite words that have helped him become more connected and aware of his emotional experience.
31.31 Exploring the lexicography, old friends or mysterious strangers.
34.26 How much do you think we encourage people to ask themselves how they are actually feeling?
39.24 In your research, have you noticed how some cultures have greater granularity in their language around emotions than others?
44.45 Thinking about our discussion today, what is the call to action for a leader?
46.24 What’s next for you? The Global Wellbeing Initiative. Getting back in front of the mic.
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In this episode our guest is Senior Maverick at Wired Magazine, Kevin Kelly. Kevin co-founded Wired in 1993 and served as its executive editor until 1999. He is also editor and publisher of the Cool Tools website and is the former editor/publisher of the Whole Earth Review. Kevin Kelly has written several bestselling books including ‘New Rules for the New Economy’, ‘What Technology Wants’ and his most recent book ‘The Inevitable’.
1’07 - What’s on your mind right now?
4’24 – 24 years ago when you wrote ‘New Rules for the New Economy’, you had a very clear idea as to how the digital revolution would unfold. How do you think the development of technology has played out since then?
8’53 – You have an incredible track record when it comes to predicting how technology is going to play out. What’s your process?
13’56 – What does social media want, and how is it evolving?
19’37 – Since writing ‘The 12 technological forces shaping our future’ a decade ago, how have those 12 forces evolved?
22’53 – What do you think the biggest challenges are for the leaders who are driving the world’s largest companies (such as Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, Tencent, Alibaba etc), and if you could be a mentor to those individuals, what would you say to them?
28’51 – Can you tell us why you set up the ‘Long Now Foundation’ which promotes slower, better thinking and what impact do you think it’s had in the last 25 years?
34’06 – Which things are you most excited about when it comes to solving the biggest problems such as climate, education, health etc.
40’28 – How has Covid impacted your work? Did the pandemic spark something new in you?
43’24 – What advice would you give to young people today?
46’20 – If you were going to take a single central idea that you would be proud for future generations to take from your thinking, what would it be?
49.57 – What’s next on your horizon?
56’43 – You advised Steven Spielberg on Minority Report. What do you think 2050 is going to look like?
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Welcome to Season 3 of the Evolving Leader podcast.
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by innovation expert Rita McGrath. Rita is an author, professor of management at the Columbia Business School, keynote speaker, founder of the innovation platform ‘Valize’ and in September 2021 was shortlisted for the Thinkers50 Strategy Award.
Reading recommendation:
"Seeing around corners - How to spot inflection points in business before they happen" (Rita McGrath, 2021)
THIS EPISODE:
2.18 Rita’s background and career to date.
4.36 Eliminating ‘innovation theatre’.
7.54 Discovery driven growth, and Rita’s ‘flops file’.
11.53 How Rita’s ‘Discovery Driven Planning’ HBR article influenced Eric Ries and the Lean Start-up.
14.27 The ‘Barebones Net Present Value’ tool can help to project the entire lifecycle value of a potential project.
15.57 Insights regarding how we need to think differently about competitive advantage and where that approach has been adopted successfully.
25.01 One of the most important superpowers for leaders. ‘Seeing around corners – how to spot inflection points in business before they happen’ (Rita McGrath, 2021). Rita elaborates.
29.25 The process of assumption busting.
31.52 People are one of the only remaining sources of long term competitive advantage.
34.53 The pitfalls that Rita sees when working as an advisor in businesses around the world
37.56 Rita’s next area of research.
39.38 Experiences from living and working through Covid.
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Welcome back to part two of our exploration into the Evolving Leader vulnerability interview archive. If you’ve not listened to part one, then you could well be wondering what these two vulnerability episodes are all about. Where time permits, after we’ve finished recording an episode with our fabulous guests we also record them answering a series of rapid fire questions. We refer to this as the Evolving Leader Vulnerability Interview. You’ll hear that it’s pretty light hearted, but beyond that we also recognise the importance of normalising vulnerability in the leadership space because it contributes to environments of trust and psychological safety.
We’re so grateful that so many of our esteemed guests are willing to answer these questions. Thank you (again) to each and every one of you.
In this second part, you’ll hear personal insights from neurologist Robert A Burton, futurist Scott Smith, innovation expert and author Elvin Turner, Global head of DEI and computer scientist Sheree Atcheson, Enneagram champion Ian Morgan Cron, Wimbledon CEO Sally Bolton, Vollebak CEO and Co-founder Steve Tidball, entrepreneur Ilham Said, occupational and forensic psychiatrist Neil Greenberg, Olympian Cath Bishop, Pfizer UK MD Ben Osborn, strategic growth advisor Don Schmincke, artist and cultural geographer Holly Murchison, photographer, entrepreneur and one time most influential person on the internet Jeremy Cowart and business speaker, thinker and author of Funky Business Jonas Ridderstråle.
Next week sees a return for co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender as they open Season 3 in conversation with strategy, innovation and entrepreneurship titan Rita McGrath.
01:18 Full vulnerability interview with Robert A Burton
What would you partner say is your least appealing feature?
02:41 Scott Smith
02:58 Elvin Turner
Where are you most lazy in your life?
03:40 Sheree Atcheson
04:09 Ian Morgan Cron
What was the last question that stopped you in your tracks?
04:33 Sally Bolton
05:35 Steve Tidball
06:09 Ilham Said
06:30 Neil Greenberg
Are you paid too much?
07:07 Cath Bishop, Ben Osborn, Don Schmincke, Elvin Turner, Holly Murchison, Ian Morgan Cron, Jeremy Cowart, Jonas Ridderstråle, Neil Greenberg, Sally Bolton, Sheree Atcheson
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Both this and the next episode of the Evolving Leader podcast are going to be a little different to our usual format. Where time permits, after we’ve finished recording an episode with our fabulous guests we also record them answering a series of rapid fire questions. We refer to this as the Evolving Leader Vulnerability Interview. You’ll hear that it’s pretty lighthearted, but beyond that we also recognise the importance of normalising vulnerability in the leadership space because it contributes to environments of trust and psychological safety.
We’re so grateful that so many of our esteemed guests are willing to answer these questions. Thank you (again) to each and every one of you.
In this first part, you’ll hear insights from neuroscientist Stuart Firestein, Vollebak CEO and Co-founder Steve Tidball, author, artist and cultural geographer Holly Murchison, Pfizer UK MD Ben Osborn, photographer, entrepreneur and one time most influential person on the internet Jeremy Cowart, Olympian, author and consultant Cath Bishop, economist, author and former head of Said Business School (and so much more) John Kay, entrepreneur Ilham Said, Wimbledon CEO Sally Bolton, occupational and forensic psychiatrist Neil Greenberg and former NASA astronaut and co-founder of B612 (saving planet Earth from asteroid impacts) Ed Lu.
01'07 Full vulnerability interview with Stuart Firestein
What was the biggest lie you’ve ever told at work?
05'24 Steve Tidball
06'27 Holly Murchison
06'43 Ben Osborn
07'11 Jeremy Cowart
Where do you feel most vulnerable at work?
08'05 Cath Bishop
08'54 John Kay
What’s the personal development topic you most avoid confronting?
09'40 Ilham Said
10'13 Ben Osborn
Who would play you in the movie of your life?
10'50 Sally Bolton
11'43 Neil Greenberg
12'06 Ed Lu
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes share some of their highlights from season 2. It’s been an incredible season comprising 26 episodes where Jean and Scott have spoken to a fascinating array of guests. If you’ve been an Evolving Leader subscriber since the start of season 2, then we hope you enjoy revisiting some of our favourite moments. If you’ve discovered us more recently then hopefully these highlights will prompt you go back and listen to our earlier episodes too.
0’44 – Unpredicting with Stuart Firestein
1’57 - Can we stop talking about digital
2’57 – Vollebak: why the world needs products from the future, now
4’26 – Owning the world’s number 1 leadership challenge with Ben Osborn, Pfizer UK
6’25 – What does 10x leadership look like? With Ed Lu, astronaut, entrepreneur and protector of planet Earth
6’59 – How to future with Scott Smith
8’27 – Rethinking winning with Cath Bishop
10’53 – Wellbeing lessons from the edge with Professor Neil Greenberg
13’43 – What is consciousness? with Mark Solms
15’28 – Certainty is not a thought, it’s a feeling with Dr Robert A Burton
16’41 - The science of seeing differently with Dr Beau Lotto
17’33 – Future entrepreneurs with Ilham Said
19’44 – Distinguishing risk and uncertainty with John Kay
22’01 – Leading us to Mars: The SpaceX story with Eric Berger
23’00 – 2041: The mission to save Antarctica with Robert Swan
25’14 – Privilege: why leaders have to have a hard look at themselves with Sheree Atcherson
28’03 - What Leaders Must Know About Emotional Conviction with Jonas Ridderstråle
32’08 - Longevity, mankind’s next frontier with Sergey Young
34’50 – The power of listening with Emma Sinclair
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Sam Gilbert, expert in data-driven marketing, entrepreneur and researcher. Sam was employee number one and Chief Marketing Officer at Bought By Many, the multi-award winning fintech ranked No. 13 in The Sunday Times TechTrack100 and prior to that held the position of Head of Strategy and Development at Experian. Aged 39, Sam changed course and returned to university to rethink the role of data in our future. Sam is author of ‘Good Data: An Optimist’s Guide to Our Digital Future’ (Welbeck, 2021).
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to transformation consultant, keynote speaker, author, host of the Innovation Show and retired internal rugby player Aidan McCullen about how he transformed himself from unpromising athlete into successful international rugby player, and then into a digital business leader and thought leader.
Undisruptable: A Mindset of Permanent Reinvention for Individuals, Organisations and Life (Wiley, 2021)
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If you could, would you want to live to 200?
This week our co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to longevity investor, author and visionary Sergey Young whose lifelong mission is to ‘help people live long, healthy and happy lives’. Sergey Young is the founder of the $100M Longevity Vision fund and also innovation board member at the XPRIZE foundation. His book ‘The Science and Technology of Growing Young’ is published in August 2021 by BenBella Books.
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Sit back and listen as hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Jonas Ridderstråle, one of the world’s most exciting business thinkers, speaker and author. Hear his reflections on Covid and how leaders can avoid being paralyzed by data as things change – how to combine decisive action with emotional conviction.
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This week our guest on the Evolving Leader is multi-award winning global diversity, equity and inclusion leader, keynote speaker and author Sheree Atcheson. Working in organisations across the globe, Sheree Atcheson helps leaders create accountability driven inclusive cultures and is also the author of the best seller Demanding More (Kogan Page).
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Robert Swan is a polar environmentalist, author and founder of 2041, a company that is dedicated to the preservation of Antarctica. The year 2041 is hugely important as it marks the end of a 50 year treaty that was signed by almost every nation designating Antarctica as ‘a natural reserve land for science and peace’ as well as placing a ban on mining and mineral exploration for that period. Each year, Robert takes groups of climate scientists, business leaders and students to see first hand the effects of climate change on the region.
Sit back and listen as Robert shares what he has learnt about leadership, and his mission to increase awareness and create a community of leaders willing to take action.
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This week, Evolving Leader hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes speak to Eric Berger, space journalist and author of Lift Off (HarperCollins, 2021). Eric Berger has had exclusive access to many of the past and present members of the SpaceX team, so sit back and listen as he gives us a thrilling account of how Elon Musk took SpaceX from shaky start-up in 2002 into the world's leading space company in 2021.
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to John Kay, one of the world’s leading economists, whose life’s work is focused on the relationship between economics and businesses. Together with Mervyn King, former Governor of the Bank of England, he wrote Radical Uncertainty about the impoverished approach many economists and business strategists take regarding risk in the face of uncertainty. In this conversation we get a wealth of insight about the judgement challenges facing leaders today and into the future.
"Radical Uncertainty: Decision-making for an unknowable future", John Kay and Mervyn King (2020)
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During this bonus episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, guest Emma Sinclair talks to Jean Gomes about her current focus, understanding how teams work (and don't work) and her goal which is to help teams thrive. During this study, Emma has identified several core components that are required for effective teaming, and describes active listening as being foundational for human connection and productive interactions.
So why then is it so difficult for most people?
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This week we talk to performance advisor, author and researcher Don Schmincke who believes that most management ideas fail because of human biology. Listen as Don shares the findings from his research and his belief that while many well respected books, theories and tools that leaders take into their organisations may well have a positive impact on the bottom line, the way to deliver the greatest impact is to alter human belief.
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This week, Evolving Leader co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to aerospace engineer and entrepreneur Ilham Said. Leaving university less than a year ago having completed a masters in aeronautical engineering, IIham Said is the co-founder of the start-up E2E, a global digital community created to allow other young engineers to help one another accelerate their knowledge.
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How can we see the world more clearly? In what seems to be an era of rising polarization, what is real and true versus what is being driven by motivated reasoning, self-deception and illusion?
This week on the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean and Scott talk to perceptual neuroscientist and author Dr Beau Lotto who opens our eyes and minds to the fact that we evolved to see what is useful, not accurate – that we never see reality as it is. Beau is the founder of Lab of Misfits, the world’s only perceptual neuroscience creative studio, he is a regular keynote speaker (including three mainstage TED talks) and author of Deviate, the Science of Seeing Differently.
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This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to author and neurologist Dr Robert A Burton. As leaders face greater uncertainty, the consequences of their judgement and decisions become ever more significant. A profound insight from Burton’s work, is that certainty is not a rational process, but in fact a feeling; a feeling of knowing, that ranges from an intuitive or gut feeling to an aha moment of absolute rightness.
On Being Certain: Believing You Are Right Even When You're Not
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This week, the Evolving Leader podcast talks to one of the world’s leading neuroscientists, Mark Solms. Most widely known for his discovery of the brain mechanisms of dreaming and his psychoanalytic methods in contemporary neuroscience, Solms’ research has taken him and his teams to a surprising source – not the evolved part of our brain responsible for memory, decision making and creativity, but the ancient parts. His hypothesis is that the origins of consciousness stem from bodily feeling and then emotion seated in the brain stem. If he’s right, the implications on the prevailing notions of what it is to be a human are profound.
"The Hidden Spring: A Journey to the Source of Consciousness", Mark Solms
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This week, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to author and innovation consultant Elvin Turner. How prepared are our leaders to drive innovation efforts within their organisations? Elvin highlights how for many leaders their experience is grounded in maintaining the status quo, their focus is on running faster after the same thing, driving improved efficiency over the pursuit of relevance. Hear how it’s possible to switch on innovation and keep it alight.
“Be Less Zombie: How Great Companies Create Dynamic Innovation, Fearless Leadership and Passionate People”, Elvin Turner (Wiley, 2020)
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This week on the Evolving Leader, our co-hosts Jean and Scott talk to Holley Kholi-Murchison. Author, social practice artist, education producer and entrepreneur, Holley shares how you can tell others about yourself in a way that helps you to strengthen your sense of self and make powerful connections. Hear Holley describe the 6-step process “designed to bolster your confidence and authentic communication in life’s most vulnerable moments” originally introduced in her 2017 book ‘Tell me about yourself’.
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During this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes get a masterclass in self-awareness from Ian Morgan Cron. Ian is an expert in the Enneagram, an ancient personality typing system that identifies nine types of people, and how they relate to one another and to the world. He is an experienced psychotherapist who brings wisdom and a much needed soulfulness to the conversation around how leaders build radical self-awareness that will enable them to break unhelpful reactive cycles. Ian Morgan Cron is an accomplished author, his published works including his book ‘The Road Back to You’ which introduces the Enneagram to its broadest audience yet.
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During this episode, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to one of the world’s leading researchers in stress. Professor Neil Greenberg is a specialist in the understanding and management of psychological trauma, occupational mental ill-health and post traumatic stress disorder. For 23 years, he served in the UK Armed Forces in a number of hostile environments including Afghanistan and Iraq as a psychiatrist and researcher, and has written more than 300 published scientific papers and book chapters..
During the 2020 COVID pandemic, Neil was part of the NHS England and Improvement Wellbeing Team, contributing to the national response to protect the mental health of NHS workers. During this episode of the Evolving Leader, he provides leaders with practical ways of helping themselves and their teams through the storm.
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During this episode, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Cath Bishop, former world champion and Olympic silver medal winning rower, and conflict diplomat who worked in some of the world’s most challenging regions including Bosnia and Iraq. In October 2020, Cath's first book "The Long Win: The Search for a Better Way to Succeed" was published and listed by the Financial Times as one of the best business books of 2020.
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean and Scott talk to futurist, strategist, and author Scott Smith. Scott flips some of the notions of prediction, pushing back at the idea of the future that we can describe as some shiny idea, to how we think about, eliminate and quantify risk. He gives us many fascinating takeaways about how to rethink how we plan for and prepare for what comes next – as he puts it – he shows us how to future.
Scott Smith is the founder and managing partner of Changeist, a futures research and consulting partnership and co-wrote How to Future, Leading and sense-making in an age of hyperchange, published by Kogan Page in 2020.
Also mentioned during this episode:
If Then: How One Data Company Invented the Future by Jill Lepore
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by Ed Lu, astronaut, pioneer engineer and potentially future saviour of planet Earth. Ed tells us about his experiences on two space shuttle missions, his time on the international space station following the tragic loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia, his time at Google and his work as co-founder of the B612 Foundation where the mission is to save Earth from an asteroid collision. Ed embodies leadership to his core in the most inspiring way.
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Wimbledon CEO, Sally Bolton. Sally shares some of the leadership challenges that she has faced during her first 12 months as CEO of one of the world’s most prestigious sporting events, a year in which she had to take the decision to cancel the tournament for the first time since WWII due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
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What would it be like to be thrust, in a matter of days, from the relative anonymity of being an executive in a large organisation, to being on the front line of solving the world’s No1 health, social and economic crisis? In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Ben Osborn, MD of Pfizer UK, who led the roll-out of the world’s first vaccine programme across the UK. What were the leadership challenges of accelerating a process that typically takes 5-15 years to 9 months? Let’s find out…
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Jeremy Cowart, a distinctive artist whose work you’ve likely seen either online or in some glossy magazine. Jeremy Cowart is an award winning photographer, artist and entrepreneur, and in 2014 was named as the most influential photographer on the internet. So what can a photographic artist tell us about leadership? This conversation explores creatives being idea leaders, how to build a creative career, the power of purpose and adapting to market changes.
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Vollebak co-founder Steve Tidball. Since 2015, Steve and his (co-founder) brother Nick have been “using science and technology to create clothing that no-one else can or will”, they create (award winning) clothes from the future. So, what might a collection of clothes from the future include? Taking just two examples from the Vollebak collection, consider the indestructible puffer (made from Dyneema which is the strongest fibre known to man today), or the deep sleep cocoon which was built ahead of the first missions to Mars, with a design based on the protective exoskeleton of the woodlouse.
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Where do you plan to become more radically self aware in 2021? How are you going to close the knowing/doing gap? In this short bonus episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, Scott Allender addresses these questions and reveals that the for him, the answer lies in his own mindset.
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender bring together three very different digitally focussed leaders. Annemie Ress, Finbarr Joy and Carlos Nasillo join us to discuss the leadership challenges of embracing technology to unlock business model innovation.
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In this first episode of season two, Scott and Jean talk to neuroscientist Stuart Firestein, about his counter-intuitive thinking on ignorance and failure as propelling forces in problem solving and innovation. Stuart is the Chair of Columbia University’s Department of Biological Sciences, and is dedicated to promoting the accessibility of science to a public audience. Author of ‘Ignorance: How it Drives Science’, and ‘Failure: Why Science Is So Successful’ (Oxford University Press), both written to present the workings of science to a general audience, Stuart’s commitment to engaging the public in science can also be seen in his TED Talk entitled “The pursuit of ignorance”, which at the time of writing has garnered over 2.1 million views.
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In this final episode of season one, Scott and Jean reflect on the journey that has been season one of the Evolving Leader podcast, and address the question 'What lessons from 2020 are important for us to take forward into the future? '.
The episode also includes previously unheard recordings where a selection of guests from season one answer a series of light hearted quick fire questions as part of 'The Vulnerable Leader' interview. Thanks again to Lisa Feldman Barrett,* Chris Hirst*,* Talia Grantham*,* Andy Billings*,* Ashley Bradford and Sally Bolton** for agreeing to take part.
[* the episode with guest Sally Bolton, CEO at the All England Lawn Tennis Club will be released during season two]
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In this bonus episode Jean addresses the moral reasoning component of leadership, with a focus on making better decisions in the face of uncertain and highly complex situations.
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This episode is part two of a two part conversation that Jean and Scott had with neuroscientist, Dr Lisa Feldman Barrett. University Distinguished Professor of Psychology at Northeastern University, and Chief Science Officer for the Center for Law, Brain and Behaviour at Harvard, Lisa Feldman Barrett is profoundly changing our understanding of the brain and in particular, our emotions.
In this episode, co-hosts Jean and Scott discuss with Dr Barrett the implications of her revolutionary theory of constructed emotions on emotional intelligence and leadership.
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This episode is part one of a two part conversation that Jean and Scott had with neuroscientist, Dr Lisa Feldman Barrett. University Distinguished Professor of Psychology at Northeastern University, and Chief Science Officer for the Center for Law, Brain and Behaviour at Harvard, Lisa Feldman Barrett, is profoundly changing our understanding of the brain and in particular, our emotions. Since the ancient philosophers, and into our last century of scientific endeavor, emotions have been seen as hard-wired responses to external stimuli, located in specific regions of the brain. Lisa’s work has over-turned this age-old model which shapes everything from our current beliefs about emotional intelligence to facial recognition software widely being deployed around the world.
Lisa Feldman Barrett has written two books, Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain (2020) and How Emotions are Made (2017), as well as hundreds of peer reviewed scientific papers appearing in Science, Nature Neuroscience and other top journals in psychology and cognitive neuroscience.
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In this bonus episode, Scott asks the question 'what is truly going on inside you, and what do you really want?'.
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This is the second part of a conversation between Jean and tennis coach, Leon Smith. For the last decade, Leon has been the Great Britain Davis Cup captain and in 2015 he led the team to becoming world champions for the first time in 79 years.
In this episode, Leon talks to Jean about the leadership challenges that he faces working at the highest level in sport.
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This is the first of a two part conversation that Jean has with tennis coach, Leon Smith. For the last decade, Leon has been the Great Britain Davis Cup captain and in 2015 he led the team to becoming world champions for the first time in 79 years.
In the first of these two episodes, Leon talks to Jean about what he's learned about leadership since starting coaching at 18 years of age.
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In this episode, co-hosts Scott and Jean talk to polymath Ashley Bradford – tech entrepreneur and philosopher - who brings a riveting perspective about leadership. The conversation explores sense making tools to help teams navigate uncertainty, lowering barriers to ensure everyone can have access to the best education and the ethics around the rising power of digital technologies – how can we be better people in states of high uncertainty?
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In this episode co-hosts Jean and Scott talk to Chris Hirst, who runs one of the world’s largest creative networks and is the author of No Bullsh*t Leadership (winner of Business Book of the Year Award 2020: Leadership for the future). In the book, Chris seeks to overturn what he calls the leadership industrial complex that over complicates what leadership is and prevents the core role and practices of what leaders really need to do from being explicit.
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What’s shaping the world view, values and priorities for our future leaders? In this episode, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to entrepreneur Talia Grantham about her experiences working in start-ups and the things that truly matter to her in her life and work.
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In this episode, Scott and Jean are joined by Andy Billings, Electronic Arts’ VP of Profitable Creativity and the co-founder of EA University. Andy has a diverse and fascinating background and range of interests. However during this disussion, the main focus is his experiences of leadership during EA’s incredibly turbulent time from a position of dominance in the console games era to near death, and successful transformation in the new world of free and online games.
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In this second (and final) part of our exploration into the nine types of fear, Jean and Scott look at the five remaining types of fear. What can the evolving leader do to recognise them in themselves (and others) and grow past a reactive relationship towards them? Where are the opportunities for growth and better judgement?
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During this two part discussion, Jean and Scott explore nine different ways in which fear can govern how we see the world, respond to threats and how it influences our relationships. This is a conversation prompted by a comment made by the neuroscientist Beau Lotto who suggested at the onset of the Corona crisis that fear of uncertainty is perhaps our greatest fear. So, what can that unlock for the evolving leader?
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In this episode, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender interview Dr K Kim, award winning author (including a research study titled "The Creativity Crisis" which was the subject of a 2011 Newsweek cover story), and Professor of Creativity & Innovation at the College of William & Mary. Dr Kim focused this research on the analysis of the Torrance creativity test that has been taken by millions of children in 50 languages over the past 50 years, and the realisation that the correlation to lifetime accomplishment is more than three times stronger for childhood creativity than childhood IQ. She is passionate about reversing that decline arguing that it is stalling our economy and our ability to solve the world's biggest problems.
During the podcast, Dr Kim reveals that she is about to publish some major new research and provides an exclusive trail to Jean and Scott.
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How should the evolving leader think about power? In this episode of The Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender explore a definition of power that conceives it as a currency to be wisely spent as opposed to asset to be accumulated and defended. What needs to evolve within us to see and manage power in healthy and productive ways?
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This is part two of the interview that co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender had with Always Day One author, Alex Kantrowitz.
In this episode, we hear about Alex's experiences interviewing Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and the culture of feedback and listening that Zuckerberg has built into the organisation. Alex also addresses the fundamental choice that today's leaders are having to face between building an organisation that defends value and an organisation that grows value for the future.
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This episode is the first part of an interview with Alex Kantrowitz, author of Always Day One. Alex describes the unique mindset and cultural DNA of Amazon, Google, Apple and Facebook and believes that the Always Day One mindset is set to become the new norm of successful enterprises worldwide.
Part two of this interview will be published 17 September.
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In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender confront leadership in the face of uncertainty. Was our world ever certain? How do leaders hack at uncertainty and chart their way forward?
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In this introduction to the Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender lay out some of the huge challenges facing leaders, heightened and brought into sharp relief by the Corona crisis. We are living in a new emotional climate that makes markets behave differently - what does that mean for leaders? As the stakes for leaders rise, how does radical self-awareness, integrity and judgement play out in our new world? What are the challenges facing leaders post Corona, and how will our shared experiences help us to make better sense of our non-linear world?
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The Evolving Leader podcast is a show set in the context of the world’s ‘great transition’ – technological, environmental and societal upheaval – that requires deeper, more committed leadership to confront the world’s biggest challenges. Hosts, Jean Gomes (a New York Times best selling author) and Scott Allender (an award winning leadership development specialist working in the creative industries) approach complex topics with an urgency that matches the speed of change. This show will give insights about how today’s leaders can grow their capacity for leading tomorrow’s rapidly evolving world. With accomplished guests from business, neuroscience, psychology, and more, the Evolving Leader Podcast is a call to action for deep personal reflection, and conscious evolution.
The world is evolving, are you?