Center for Congregations Podcast: Recent Episodes
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Your congregation is important. And we know that leading and serving in congregations is hard work. Join Ben Tapper, Matt Burke and other Center for Congregations consultants as they interview thought leaders and experts to encourage, inspire and help you find the right information and resources to address your congregation's needs. Center for Congregations staff will share what they're learning through work with congregations. Speakers, authors and congregational practitioners will share their stories and best practices to help your congregation thrive.
Dr. David Livermore, author and speaker on cultural intelligence, talks with Tim Shapiro and Matt Burke about how being curious about culture aids the mission of congregations. Topics include defining cultural intelligence, how to develop better cultural intelligence as a person and a community and its benefits for congregational life. Resources David Livermore's Website Digital, Diverse & Divided by David Livermore (book) addressing the relevance of CQ to increased polarization Serving with Eyes Wide Open by David Livermore (book) applying CQ to Christian short-term mission trips Cultural Intelligence by David Livermore (book) Cultural Intelligence Center (organization) faith-based training Ethical Approaches to Preaching by John McClure (book) Bonheoffer from Martin Doblmeier (film) (free on YouTube) Shades of Hope (podcast)
Shellie, McKenzie and Matt reflect on the topics and guests from the first half of 2023 and what we've learned. This is a mid-season break and we'll be back with new episodes in August. Check out featured resources at the Congregational Resource Guide: https://thecrg.org/ Find more episodes of the podcast and congregational stories at our website: https://centerforcongregations.org/
Michelle Jackson, foster care advocate for Josiah White's, joins McKenzie and Matt to share how congregations can support kids and families involved in foster care and adoption. Michelle shares her journey into this focus, how critical it is to support foster families, very practical ways to provide this support and how congregations can be a place of care and love.
Resources Faith Bridge Foster Care (organization) Foster Care 101 Podcast Series Josiah White's (organization) The Congregational Resource Guide (The CRG)
Understanding how to determine your next faithful step is critically important in congregational life. Center for Congregations president Tim Shapiro and Rev. Stephen Lewis join the podcast this week to discuss the importance of discernment and mutual nature of discernment for both the individual and the community. Our conversation also leads to reflecting on the wisdom of Howard Thurman and the importance of intergenerational discernment.
Resources https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/we-can-do-hard-things-with-glennon-doyle/id1564530722 https://emilypfreeman.com/podcast/ https://emilypfreeman.com/next-right-thing-book/
Rev. Dr. Seth Richardson of Gravity Leadership joins the podcast this week to discuss the cultural challenges white congregations face when they get serious about racial equity. The conversation centers on a specific case study of a Texas congregation and how they navigated a shift towards racial equity and what these lessons mean for any congregation wishing to become more equitable.
Resources: Crossroads Antiracism Training Racial Equity Tools Gravity Leadership
Congregations are a treasure of rich traditions: cultural, communal, historical and theological. But how do you keep tradition from turning into stagnation? This week we welcome Rev. Dr. Gabby Cudjoe Wilkes, who recently finished her doctoral work related to innovation, as she shares her insight into keeping things fresh in your congregation. Resources https://dukespace.lib.duke.edu/dspace/handle/10161/25017 https://thecrg.org/resources/traditioned-inovation https://thecrg.org/resources/The_Power_of_Positive_Deviance_How_Unlikely_Innovators_Solve_the_World_s_Toughest_Problems https://www.franklincovey.com/the-4-disciplines/ https://thecrg.org/podcasts/S1_E7_Exchanging_Pews_for_Strollers https://www.inthewater.co/
In this episode of the Center for Congregations podcast, Marty Sawyers of the Full Strength Network and John Opalewski of Converge Coaching share their experience and insight on the challenges clergy leaders face every day. This episode will help non-clergy members of a congregation learn more about the pressures of being clergy, how to better support their leadership, and the impact of clergy stress on the congregation as a whole. Resources Center for Congregations Podcast Season 1 Episode 3: Do We Have to Hide Our Pain https://thecrg.org/collections/Do_We_Have_to_Hide_Our_Pain Center for Congregations Podcast Season 3 Episode 6: Don't Be a Clergy Killer https://thecrg.org/collections/Don_t_Be_a_Clergy_Killer Full Strength Network https://fullstrength.org/ Converge Coaching https://convergecoach.com/ Preparing for Amazement Ministries https://amazed15.org/
As people of faith, we are often called to be cultural brokers within our communities by identifying gaps that exist, asking the right questions, and harnessing the power of humility and self-awareness. In this episode of the Center for Congregations podcast, board certified chaplain and doctoral candidate, Alexandra Zareth shares her experience and discusses practical examples of how to bridge cultural gaps within your congregation each and every day.
Resources https://thecrg.org/podcasts/S3_E4_Make_It_Personal https://thecrg.org/podcasts/S2_E5_Courting_Justice
Your community is likely more multicultural than you may realize. In this episode of the Center for Congregations podcast, we speak with Sandy Garcia of Amistad Cristiana Presbyterina about the multicultural nature of congregations and communities including the lives and experiences of members of the Latinx community as well as the changing perceptions of multicultural ministry.
Resources: Amistad Fort Wayne 9 Mental Health Resources for the Latinx Community The Multicultural Congregation God's Tapestry
First, the bad news: mental health issues exist in your congregation. The good news is that there are a wealth of resources and people who can help and a myriad of ways to support those with mental health issues. In this episode, Pastor Ken Hilliard talks about the genesis of the organization Building a Stronger Family and its work to bring hope to those without it.
Ben and Matt also discuss some of their own experiences with the topic and how it shows up in the work of the Center for Congregations. Resources https://thecrg.org/resources/Black_Emotional_and_Mental_Health_Collective https://thecrg.org/resources/National_Alliance_on_Mental_Illness_NAMI https://buildingastrongerfamily.org/ https://www.ecfpl.org/offers/FK6TXRGP/checkout
You likely deal with some kind of diversity in your congregational life. Whether that be ethnic, cultural, generational or some other kind of diversity. Wilisha Scaife believes that the answer to dealing with diversity in ministry is learning to listen, learn and love. The phrase is simple but being able to do this takes effort and intentionality. Wilisha unpacks what this means and Ben and Matt share how this has shown up in their work and resources to help think about difference. Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Is_Race_The_Real_Problem https://thecrg.org/collections/Make_It_Personal_Leading_a_Multicultural_Congregation https://thecrg.org/resources/mutual-ministry https://thecrg.org/resources/the-new-copernicans-series
At the heart of every congregation is the desire to pass on the beliefs and practices of its tradition. This can be called lots of things: catechism, faith formation, discipleship, etc. In this interview, John Roberto discusses how this passing on of faith can be distilled into seven parts that, when addressed in your congregation's context, can help form the faith of everyone. Ben and Matt also share how this topic shows up in congregations with which the Center for Congregations works and what faith formation has looked like for them. Resources
In this short episode, Ben and Matt recap the guests and topics thus far and preview the rest of season 4. We'll be back in action with you all on August 10, 2022!
This episode provides the narratives of three members of the LGBTQ+ community focused on their lives in congregations. These stories highlight the highs and lows of their experiences in faith communities. We offer these narratives in the hope that it will provide wisdom and guidance to your congregation as you navigate this complex issue.
In congregations many have questions and concerns about LGBTQ+ issues. Regardless of your theological stance, it's important to know how to care for youth that may identify as LGBTQ+ and their families as they navigate this complex situation. Mark Oestreicher, youth worker and co-found of The Youth Cartel, shares his wisdom and personal experience on this topic. Resources Us versus Us: The Untold Story of Religion and the LGBT Community (Book) 4 Views on Pastoring LGBTQ Teenagers: Effective Ministry to Gay, Bi, Trans, Queer, and Questioning Students Among Us (Book) A Bigger Table: Building Messy, Authentic, and Hopeful Spiritual Community (Book) Transforming: The Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians (Book) Open and Affirming Coalition (organization)
Mark Oestreicher's Socials: https://www.facebook.com/markoestreicher https://www.instagram.com/whyismarko/ https://twitter.com/markosbeard
Dr. Kirk Byron Jones joins Matt and Ben to discuss what we can learn from jazz about beauty, creativity and liberation. Resources https://faithandleadership.com/jazz-belongs-church https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310361176/ https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/8817-music-therapy
Former Center for Congregations staff members Nancy DeMott and Doug Hanner join Matt to share stories about their work at the Center. These stories highlight what congregations can accomplish and why they are important. Find more congregational stories here: https://centerforcongregations.org/blogs/congregational-stories
Rev. Dr. Rosario Picardo joins Ben and Matt to discuss digital ministry in congregational life. Roz is the co-author of Fresh Expressions in a Digital Age. In this interview Roz shares his thoughts as a pastor on the place of digital ministry in congregational life. Resources roz@wearemosaic.org https://www.rosariopicardo.com https://www.amazon.com/Both-Maximizing-Experiences-Person-Engagement/dp/1953495230 https://thechurch.digital/ https://www.churchleadership.com/leading-ideas/4-keys-to-moving-from-online-worship-to-online-ministry/ Phygital Church: Building Physical and Digital Space for Ministry Impact in 2021 - The CRG Use the information below to access the pre-recorded live online event from 4/26/22. This will be available until 5/27/22. Topic: Fresh Expressions in a Digital Age Date: Apr 26, 2022 05:53 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) Meeting Recording: https://us02web.zoom.us/rec/share/p6pAWdcMD90OmKlEyriUbpkpeamErtViWoRSlKZRBDAx_JyXo4sqc_XMMi9HopQ.XrT0hIm4FsBPNCbl
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Ben and Matt talk with Rev. Sue Park-Hur about the challenges facing the Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) community. They discuss the model-minority myth, the rise in hate crimes against the AAPI community and reflect on the 30th anniversary of the LA Uprising. Resources https://stopaapihate.org https://thecrg.org/resources/Asian_American_Christian_Collaborative https://thecrg.org/resources/Honoring_the_Generations_Learning_with_Asian_North_American_Congregations Propaganda: "Three Cord Bond" from the album Crimson Cord
Matt and Ben talk with Chaplain Jon Swanson about what it means to explore they ways we manage loss and disappointment.
Resources CRG-Strategic Leadership for Change This Is Hard Social Media Chaplain Prayer in the Night Liturgy of the Ordinary
Kelly and Ben talk with Professor Drew Hart about the scope of antiracism work in congregations since the racial unrest of 2020.
Resources Trouble I've Seen: Changing the Way the Church Views Racism (book) Who Will Be a Witness: Igniting Activism for God's Justice, Love and Deliverance (book) Designing Disorder: Experiments and Disruption in the City (book) Equal Justice Initiative (EJI)
Ben and Abby explore Ben's visit to the Equal Justice Initiative Museum and Memorial in Montgomery, Alabama.
Resources: https://museumandmemorial.eji.org/ https://collegevilleinstitute.org/bearings/faith-and-justice/
Matt and Shellie explore the changing nature of congregational life with Pastor Rob Dyer of Ministry Architects. Rob encourages congregations to explore the question behind the question. Rob Dyer: @pastorrobdyer Ministry Architects: @minarchitects Resources https://ministryarchitects.com/theyre-not-coming-back/ https://ministryarchitects.com/the-room-where-it-happens/ https://thecrg.org/resources/The_Challenges_and_Opportunities_of_the_Post-pandemic_Church https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZoJKF_VuA
Abby and Ben reflect on several podcast interviews with Kate Bowler and explore what it means to face the gravity of life with grace and joy.
Resources Everything Happens for a Reason: And Other Lies I've Loved Everything Happens for a Reason Podcast Being Human w Kate Bowler and Emily P. Freeman Walking Our People Through Hard Things w Glennon Doyle
Racial division is a current topic in many arenas of life. However, Rev. Wallace Butts asks the question "Is race the real issue here?" Matt and Ben talk with Rev. Wallace Butts about the Listen, Learn and Live (L3) initiative in which he lays out a way for people in our society to live more peaceably together.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Is_Race_The_Real_Problem Pastor Wallace Butts' email address for L3: connect@l3movement.com If you'd like to be a part of the L3 workshops, register here: https://centerforcongregations.org/workshop/listen-learn-and-live-together-session-1
Abby and Ben discuss The Paths Between Us and talk through the reasons they find the Enneagram both useful and fascinating.
Resources: https://www.amazon.com/Path-Between-Us-Enneagram-Relationships/dp/0830846425
Dee Dee (Deidre) Gray and Adrian Warren join Ben and Matt to talk about how congregations can improve their digital presence.
Resources https://blog.capterra.com/church-seo-best-practices-to-get-your-church-found-in-search/ https://www.webfx.com/industries/local-consumer-services/churches/seo/ https://missionalmarketing.com/basic-guide-to-church-seo/ Adrian Warren's website: http://www.mrawarren.com/ Dee Dee Gray's Organization: https://www.mykingdomsolution.com/ https://thecrg.org/resources/beyond-hospitality
In this fun bonus episode of the Center for Congregations Podcast, Ben and Abby discuss the podcast The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and explore what we can learn from it.
Kara Powell from Fuller Youth Institute joins Ben and Matt to discuss the new book 3 Big Questions That Change Every Teenager. Resources https://thecrg.org/resources/The_Essential_Power_of_Belonging https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/
Riffing off of Charles Dickens' classic novel, Ben and Matt and Tim Shapiro, reflect on trends in the life of congregational ministry.
Joe Johns and So Min Oo join Ben and Matt to discuss the relationship their congregations have built while celebrating their differences.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Gloriously_Out_of_Place
Kelly Minas, the Center for Congregations' Associate Director for Evaluation, joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of evaluation, metrics and analytics for congregational life.
Resources https://thecrg.org/resources/completing-the-circle-reviewing-ministries-in-the-congregation https://www.betterevaluation.org/ https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/projects-that-matter-successful-planning-and-evaluation-for-religious-organizations_kathleen-a-cahalan/964017/item/12033315/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAtJeNBhCVARIsANJUJ2FRP-IUCrO59bm2jFUtRSzcvh-5fVnnC_xayO-5b2VaYdw5n4VgzfsaAtKXEALw_wcB#idiq=12033315&edition=5355798 https://thecrg.org/resources/How_to_Shape_Your_Church_s_Culture
Mike Palmer joins Ben and Matt to unpack emerging trends in education. They explore how these trends will affect religious education and congregational life moving forward. Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Forced_into_the_Water_Emerging_Trends_in_Religious_Educations
Rev. Sabrina Gray joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of end of life planning, and talks through how leaders can initiate those conversations within their community.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/End_of_Life_Planning_Conversations The Conversation Project Extremis Documentary Dem Dry Bones Five Wishes
Rev. Callie Smith and Dr. Rob Saler join Matt and Ben to discuss the Lilly Endowment Clergy Renewal Program. They unpack the importance of rest and renewal for both clergy leaders and congregations and offer some insights and resources.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Don_t_Be_a_Clergy_Killer
Manuel Corazzari joins Matt and Ben to discuss marketing and branding for congregations including the importance of knowing your unique identity.
Resources Storybrand Pro Church Tools Less Chaos. Less Noise. Effective Communication for an Effective Church
Pastor Javier Mondragon joins Ben and Matt to discuss the challenges and benefits of leading a multicultural congregation. Resources: https://thecrg.org/collections/Make_It_Personal_Leading_a_Multicultural_Congregation
David Gungor joins Ben and Matt to talk about how worship is more than just singing together. He also discusses how Good Shepherd New York is an integrated community where the gifts of the members are used to uplift the community and the importance of authentic relationship among all. Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Worship_as_the_Work_of_the_People Good Shepherd New York's Website
Shellie and Ben speak with John Ray from Light of the World Christian Church about all that it takes to plan a successful worship service. They discuss music as a specific element of the worship serve and as the overarching lifestyle of the congregation. John explores the many hats that he wears and offers advice about balancing the technical quality of worship with the need to follow the invitation of the Spirit.
Ben sits down with Aimee Laramore and Louise Jackson to unpack the ins and outs of strategic planning. They take you into the mind of strategic planning consultants and identify common pitfalls they've seen derail the planning process while highlighting the importance of honestly assessing whether our vision aligns with the capacity and resources of our team. Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Congregational_Planning ALlyd Talent Cabinet
Pastor John Stange joins Kate and Ben to explain the best practices for engaging with tech volunteers.
Links: http://www.opensong.org/
Enneargram writer, teacher and coach Leanette Pokuwaah joins Ben and Matt to talk about how the enneagram can be used well in congregational contexts. She also discusses the importance of keeping space for trauma and racial identity in conversations about the enneagram. Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/The_Value_of_the_Enneagram_in_Congregational_Spaces Also, we'd love to hear your feedback about the podcast. Click here to do a quick survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CfCpodcast
Dr. Christina Jones Davis, Clinical Professor of Pastoral Theology and Marriage and Family Therapy at Christian Theological Seminary (CTS), sits down with Ben and Matt to discuss how the worlds of therapy and congregational life inform one another. Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/The_Marriage_of_Mental_Health_and_Ministry
Musician, speaker and activist Propaganda joins Ben and Matt to discuss how storytelling is foundational to being human and to fostering change. They also also talk about his new book Terraform: Building a Better World. Resources
https://thecrg.org/collections/Storytelling_that_Changes_the_World
Check out Prop's work and follow him through the following: Website: https://www.prophiphop.com/ Instagram: @prophiphop Twitter: @prophiphop
Allen Stanton joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of congregations in rural communities. He highlights their work as anchor institutions while also addressing the opportunities that exist for truth-telling and restoration.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Rural_Congregations_A_Story_of_Pain_and_Promise
Rev. Janae Pitts-Murdock, senior pastor of Light of the World Christian Church and former interim pastor, joins Ben and Matt to unpack what it takes to have a successful interim ministry. She shares both out her recent experience and her training on interim ministry. Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Getting_Schooled_on_Interim_Ministry
McKenzie Scott Lewis, the northwest director of the Center for Congregations talks with Ben and Matt about the challenges and opportunities faced by congregations in seeking to practice racial equity.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/A_Primer_on_Racial_Equity
In this bonus episode Associate Director for Resources Kate White sits down with Pastor Bruce Colbert, Systems Consultant for Custom Sound Design, Bruce shares about three topics about streaming for congregations: practical tips about internet speed and bandwidth, stepping up audio and video and thinking critically about your online presence. Bruce also talks about working with "integrators" who can help with advice for equipment and setups. Check out https://thecrg.org/ to search for all kinds of resources related to congregational life. Email us at podcast@centerforcongregations.org with questions or help with finding resources.
PhD candidate Michael Rotolo joins Ben and Matt to unpack the research around Christian Nationalism as it relates to congregations and young adult engagement. Michael's recent work based on the Christian Smith cohort study highlights reasons why some young adults are drawn to Christian Nationalism.
Moral Religiosities Michael's Twitter Michael's Website Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Christian_Nationalism
Ben and Matt connect with Pastor Bere Gil Soto, lead pastor of Iglesia Hermandad Cristiana, to talk about what it's like to lead a multi-cultural and multi-lingual congregation in Indianapolis. Topics include what's it's like to be in the non-dominant culture, creating appropriate boundaries when leading and having a broad view of justice work.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Courting_Justice
Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty, one of the co-founders of the Prickly Pear Collective, joins Matt and Ben to discuss creating authentic community where everyone is encouraged to bring their whole self.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Bring_Your_Whole_Self
Pastor John Girton joins Ben and Matt to talk about excellence in online worship experiences using technology. We also discuss what's next for congregations and the virtual space. As always Ben and Matt share what they're learning from congregations in Indiana and they share resources you can use.
Resources You can find the resources mentioned in the episode here: https://thecrg.org/collections/Tech_It_s_Not_as_Complicated_As_You_Think
In this episode Ben and Matt are joined by Center for Congregations director Shellie Riggs Jordan as we interview Mark Oestreicher (a.k.a. Marko) of The Youth Cartel. Marko sets the record straight on a few myths about youth ministry and shares his wisdom from his over 30 years experience. As always Center for Congregations staff discuss how the issue is appearing in our work and share resources. Recommended Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Challenges_in_Youth_Ministry We'd love to hear from you so please reach out to us at podcast@centerforcongregations.org with suggestions on topics, guests or resources.
Aimee Laramore, lead consultant at AlLyd Solutions, joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of recognizing the assets your congregation has and the importance of using them to accomplish your goals. Along the way Aimee provides wonderful wisdom from her many years of experience as a fundraising consultant about managing these difficult times.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Adapting_To_The_Times_A_Conversation_About_Adaptive_Leadership_and_Resource_Management You can find Aimee Laramore at her consulting website - http://www.allyd.com/ We'd love to hear from you. Reach out to us at podcast@centerforcongregations.org to let us know what you think of the pod, with resource recommendations of your own or ideas for future topics or guests.
Ben and Matt are joined by southwest director Wendy McCormick, northwest director McKenzie Scott Lewis and president of the Center for Congregations Tim Shapiro. Each guest shares encouraging stories of Indiana congregations from their region in 2020. We're wrapping up this season with positive stories because not everything went wrong in 2020. Here is the website of Central Christian Church in Washington, Indiana's recovery programs: https://www.recovery-central.org/index.php
Victoria Sun Esparza joins Ben and Matt to talk about Human Centered Design and applying it in congregations. This process is a way for you to listen well to the needs of your congregation in order to make decisions about goals, strategy and ways of serving those under your care.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Human-Centered_Design_Exchanging_Pews_for_Strollers Design Kit by IDEO https://www.designkit.org/ Dev Explains: What Is Human-Centered Design? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bxtEqM2TQU Creative Confidence by David Kelley and Tom Kelley https://www.creativeconfidence.com/book/ TedTalk by David Kelley: How To Build Your Creative Confidence https://www.ted.com/talks/david_kelley_how_to_build_your_creative_confidence?language=en#t-430968 In the Water Designs (Victoria's company) https://www.inthewater.co/
Bishop Grant joins Ben and Matt to discuss the importance of getting back to the basics of faith. He challenges faith leaders and congregations to remember to center the people they serve as opposed to societal or theological divisions.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Agents_of_Unity_Center_the_People
This week Ben and Tim Shapiro, president of the Center for congregations talk with Rev. Dr. Alton B. Pollard III from Louisville Presbyterian Seminary. Dr. Pollard shares with us how to lead in contentious and divided times without abandoning our convictions.
Resources from the episode https://thecrg.org/collections/Whosoever_Leadership_in_Divided_Times
Reach out to us at podcasts@centerforcongregations.org. We'd love to hear resource recommendations from you or ideas for future guests and topics.
Pastor Gabby Cudjoe Wilkes of the Double Love Experience joins Matt, Ben and Wendy to discuss what she's observed about rapidly changing systems in congregational life. These changes have put pressure not only on congregational systems, but also on the leaders in charge of holding communities together.
Resources https://thecrg.org/collections/Kicked_Off_a_Cliff_Rapidly_Changing_Systems_in_Congregational_Life
Reach out to us at podcasts@centerforcongregations.org. We'd love to hear resource recommendations from you or ideas for future guests and topics.
Hillary McBride joins Ben and Matt to talk about how congregations can be places of healing for those dealing with mental health issues. We explore Hillary's own experience with being part of a congregation and discuss what gives her hope. Kate White, Associate Director for Resources for the Center for Congregations, joins the conversation about mental health resources.
Resources mentioned in this episode can be found here: https://thecrg.org/collections/Do_We_Have_to_Hide_Our_Pain
This week Ben and Matt talk with the president of the Center for Congregations, Tim Shapiro. Tim shares his experiences as a senior pastor for 18 years and from his 18 years of experience at the Center. Congregational life has changed a lot over the last three decades but the news is not all bad. We'll discuss the bright spots, creativity and possibilities of the changing landscape.
Check out the resources mentioned on this episode here: https://thecrg.org/collections/Tapping_into_Experience_with_Tim_Shapiro_Changes_in_Congregations_over_the_Years And in case you were wondering about the hare artistry done by Albrecht Durer, the link is below. Matt said it was a woodcarving but it's actually a drawing and watercolor. We're not afraid to say we we're wrong! https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/hase/1QHEnzUGYMDG_w?hl=en Reach out to us at podcast@centerforcongregations.org
Matt and I sit down with Science Mike to discuss the problems and possibilities with engaging young adults. Congregations across religious and denominational lines are wrestling with this question, and Mike wants you to know there is hope.
The resources discussed in this episode can be found by clicking here or copy/pasting the URL below. https://thecrg.org/collections/Where_have_all_the_young_people_gone
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