The WAN Manager Podcast: Recent Episodes

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As we look at the massive AI boom sweeping across the globe, what does it actually take from a physical standpoint to keep these models running?

Why are submarine cable operators building networks just in case a surge of traffic arrives, and how is local power grid availability dictating exactly where the next major hubs are being built?

What role are legacy crypto-mining data centers playing now in AI infrastructure?

Today we're joined by a trio of TeleGeography experts to close out our series on the impacts of AI on global telecom. Host Greg Bryan sits down with Alan Mauldin, Patrick Christian, and Jon Hjembo to tie together the network, cloud, and data center layers of this infrastructure puzzle.

The group weaves together three TeleGeography research areas that have direct impacts on each other and the expansion of AI services:

  • The Long-Haul Network Buffer: Alan provides a crucial perspective on international bandwidth demand, reminding us that heavy networks cannot move at the speed of software. He explains why providers are securing fiber right now purely as a risk-mitigation strategy against future uncertainty.
  • The Rise of NeoClouds/GPU-as-a-Service: Patrick breaks down how a post-ChatGPT surge overwhelmed hyperscalers, leading to a boom in specialized "NeoCloud" providers—many of which evolved from legacy crypto-mining facilities located far from population centers.
  • Data Center Realities and Power Grids: Jon takes us inside the data center, revealing how a 35% pipeline surge between 2024 and 2025 has collided with intense local regulatory, water, and power bottlenecks in markets ranging from Dublin to Malaysia. We also dive into the fascinating "Pax Silica" geopolitical chip alliance.

This special episode is sponsored by Layer8 by Lightyear.

This new event will bring together enterprise WAN operators, network engineers, and other IT/infrastructure leaders on November 4 at the Arlo Williamsburg in New York City. Notably, it's free to all enterprise end-users. Learn more and save your spot here.

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The TeleGeography Explains the Internet podcast welcomes Jezzibell Gilmore, General Manager, Service Provider at Kentik.

She discusses the profound impact of artificial intelligence on global network infrastructure, and how networks are evolving to handle new technological demands.

Key topics covered:

  • The Strain of AI workloads: The explosion of AI and GPU-heavy tasks is exposing the criticality of physical network infrastructure by demanding higher capacity, strict reliability, and ultra-low latency.
  • The rise of network intelligence: As global networks become increasingly complex, the industry is shifting from passive monitoring to "network intelligence," which uses AI to synthesize massive amounts of data and provide actionable insights for operators.
  • Shifting economic dynamics: The traditional expectation of constantly decreasing telecom prices is being upended, as the high demand and limited supply for AI-capable network capacity are actually driving prices up.
  • Physical limitations and the future: Overcoming unchangeable physical constraints—like the speed of light and the distance to new power generation sites—requires extreme network optimization, ultimately pointing toward a future goal of fully autonomous, self-healing networks.

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Host Greg Bryan welcomes Phill Lawson-Shanks, Chief Innovation Officer at Aligned Data Centers.

With several decades of experience in digital infrastructure, Phill has seen the industry evolve from mainframes and green screens to the massive hyperscale cloud platforms we rely on today.

In this episode, we explore:

  • The Shift in Data Center Geography: Why the "center of gravity" for networks is moving toward new power-rich zones and how the rise of AI is rewriting the rules of connectivity.
  • The Engineering Challenges of AI: From floor loading for 6,000-pound racks to the transition from air to liquid cooling, Phill explains the "fungible" design needed for modern AI factories.
  • The Infrastructure Bottleneck: Why AI is ultimately a network-dependent technology and how high-speed optical networking between buildings is pushing against the limits of physics.
  • Sustainability and Power: How the industry is chasing power availability and pioneering new ways to build modular, carbon-traceable infrastructure.

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This episode features Hunter Newby, a veteran of the telecom industry with experience spanning from LDDS WorldCom to building carrier hotels and neutral internet exchange points.

Newby discusses how AI inferencing is reshaping network infrastructure requirements and why geography still matters in the internet age.

Key topics covered:

  • Low-latency inferencing: Why AI applications require a fundamental shift from the old CDN model to distributed, proximity-based network architecture with deterministic routing in sub-millisecond "latency zones"
  • Internet exchange gaps: How many U.S. states lack even a single neutral internet exchange point, forcing local traffic to backhaul hundreds of miles and creating economic development barriers
  • Connected Nation Internet Exchange Points (CNIXP): Newby and Connected Nation are building purpose-built internet exchange points in underserved markets (125+ cities identified) to support enterprise needs and AI workloads, starting with aerospace companies like Airbus and Boeing.
  • Beyond the data center: Why the industry needs to shift focus from power-first mega data centers to network-first interconnection facilities that enable local traffic exchange and support emerging AI use cases
  • Premium routing opportunity: How carriers can move beyond commoditized transit pricing by offering guaranteed low-latency routing to specific zones—the "FedEx model" for data delivery

From this episode: Akamai Boosts Inference With ‘Thousands’ of Nvidia Blackwell GPUs

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What are the real bottlenecks in AI infrastructure development?

How is this infrastructure boom similar to the 90s internet boom? How do we overcome the pricing paradox in telecom transport where demand keeps rising and service prices keep falling?

Today on TeleGeography Explains the Internet, we welcome Luis Colasante, Head of Procurement Strategy for Energy & Infrastructure at Colt Technology Services.

Luis brings a perspective from the intersection of energy strategy, critical infrastructure, and capital markets. In this episode, we move beyond the "compute bubble" to discuss why physical infrastructure—from subsea cables to the power grid—has become the primary bottleneck for the AI revolution.

Luis explains:

  • The Energy-Connectivity Nexus: Why AI data centers require two to three times more power than traditional cloud facilities and how energy availability is now the ultimate gatekeeper for digital expansion.
  • Shifting Investment Cycles: A look at the parallels (and differences) between the late-90s telecom bubble and today’s hyperscaler-led boom.
  • Digital Sovereignty: Why governments are treating subsea cables as strategic national security assets, highlighted by the French government’s recent move with ASN.
  • The Death of the "Toll" Model: Why selling raw bandwidth has become a deflationary commodity business and how the industry is pivoting toward intelligent service layers and "Network as a Service" 2.0.

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Host Greg Bryan welcomes Jason Gintert back to the show. As the incoming President of the U.S. Networking User Association, Jason dives into the current state of AIOps in network management.

This includes:

  • Low Adoption and Key Challenges: Despite being a popular topic, AIOps adoption remains low due to concerns about trusting AI output (hallucinations) and the indeterminate nature of large language models.
  • Data Integration and Security: The importance of integrating private data using methods like the model context protocol to make AI answers more deterministic. For security, Jason strongly recommends starting with a read-only, zero-trust mindset when exposing data to AI tools.
  • Practical Use Cases: AI is most valuable for root cause analysis of common network problems (e.g., Wi-Fi authentication issues, circuit errors) and providing automated network summaries or predictive analysis.
  • The Human Element: AI is seen as a powerful tool to increase the productivity of network engineers by handling low-level tasks, but it will not replace humans. Engineers remain crucial for exercising judgment and taking responsibility for service-impacting changes.

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Our latest pod series on all things AI continues with Seva Vayner, Product Director for Cloud Edge & AI at Gcore.

Seva joins host Greg Bryan to tackle what is perhaps the dominant topic in telecom today: the impact of AI on the network. The pair distinguish between "AI for networking" and "networking for AI," and explore how AI training models are driving a dramatic increase in power consumption within data centers, with rack power capacity rapidly growing over the past few years.

  • Seva explains how AI inferencing is creating a need for distributed network infrastructure, transforming the role of Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) from simply distributing content to enabling real-time interaction with AI models.
  • He shares how Gcore is helping telcos and enterprises adopt AI solutions and exactly what that entails.
  • We close out on the evolving definition of the "edge" as power becomes a bigger constraint than connectivity in facilitating AI workloads and what Seva sees for the near future of AI and networks.

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It's a new year and the TeleGeography Explains the Internet team is kicking off a multi-episode series all about AI and its impact on global networks.

To start, we're joined by Chalan Aras, Senior Vice President at Riverbed to discuss how the rise of Artificial Intelligence is fundamentally reshaping the way we think about the WAN.

In this episode, we dive into:

  • AI for Networking vs. Networking for AI: How Riverbed balances using AI to manage IT operations (AIOps) with the physical necessity of moving massive amounts of data to "AI furnaces" (GPUs).
  • The AI Data Tsunami: Why data is currently growing faster than infrastructure can be upgraded, and why Time is the most critical metric for AI project success.
  • The Shift from SD-WAN to "Data Fabrics": Chalan shares a view on why SD-WAN may be fundamentally changing or even declining as the industry moves toward more dynamic, densely connected AI data fabrics centered on the cloud and data center.
  • Unified Observability: The importance of moving away from siloed tools toward integrated platforms that can correlate data across desktops, mobile devices, and the core network to remediate issues before users even see them.

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TeleGeography experts Jon Hjembo and Patrick Christian answer our biggest questions about recent data center and AI booms.

In this final episode of our three-part pod series reviewing the year in telecom—and looking ahead to 2026—we cover:

  • How many data center projects were we tracking in 2025? And where are they located around the world?
  • What kind of constraints are those projects encountering, and are rumors of a bubble warranted?
  • Did we see an increase or decrease in cloud region development?
  • What is surprising about the geographic location of cloud development in 2025?
  • Are CDNs still relevant in the hyperscaler dominated world?
  • Is bandwidth demand really all that massive in the AI world?

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Welcome to the second episode in our three-part series catching up on the most interesting stories in telecom from 2025, and looking forward to what we expect in 2026.

Today's episode focuses on all things pricing and enterprise networks. We're joined by Rob Schult, who leads TeleGeography's pricing practice, and Brianna Boudreau, who manages our SD-WAN and NaaS research.

These experts tackle questions like:

  • Are we really seeing the most rare phenomenon – telecom pricing stability?
  • What role is AI playing in this?
  • Just how big are some backbone connections and how do those prices relate to lower sized circuits?
  • Has SD-WAN become the norm in the enterprise networks world?
  • Which SD-WAN players are left? Is SD-WAN mostly about security now?

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What were the big cable headlines of this year, and what do you need to know about transport networks in 2026? To find out, we're kickstarting our three-episode review of What to Know in the New Year.

Joining us for this submarine and terrestrial infrastructure review are friends of the pod Lane Burdette and Paul Brodsky.

In this episode of the TeleGeography Explains the Internetpodcast, these experts address:

  • How much of a submarine cable boom was there in 2025 and will that continue into 2026?
  • Where are new builds located around the world and why?
  • Will all this new capacity lead to over-supply?
  • Are fiber developers having to chase AI data centers into novel locations?
  • How are terrestrial builds related to submarine cable bottlenecks?

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While we hear a lot about automated provisioning and NaaS, how long does it really take to get a quote for DIA service?

Or more to the point, how long does it take to actually get a circuit installed?

What do enterprises really think of their ISPs?

In this episode of the TeleGeography Explains the Internetpodcast, Dennis Thankachan, CEO and co-founder of Lightyear, addresses these questions and more. He brings a wealth of findings from Lightyear's Enterprise ISP Experience Guide and gives us a look at what's going on in the ISP market.

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Perhaps you've seen the Aurora Borealis. This is a beautiful example of what we call space weather.

But did you know that space weather could take out service on submarine cables?

Shibaji Chakraborty, a research scientist at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, joins the show to explain how space weather can affect the critical, metallic power-feed cables that run alongside the fiber-optic lines to power repeaters on the ocean floor.

Shibaji shares historical examples and discusses the ongoing research and industry collaboration needed to better understand, model, and mitigate these risks.

We're adding this special bonus discussion to our submarine cable pod series. Catch up on our other cable conversations over here:

  • All About Cable Economics
  • All About Cable Security
  • All About Cable Faults + Maintenance
  • All About Cable Routing
  • All About Cable Sensing

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Tony O’Sullivan, CEO of RETN, joins Greg to discuss network resiliency.

They address how providers can build networks that withstand outages, whether from someone who forgot to call the utility company or an anchor dragging on the seafloor.

The episode covers:

  • Why it's crucial to have a transparent provider willing to share information about their network when they can, including the physical locations of fiber routes and who their upstream providers are.
  • The importance of planning routes to avoid single points of failure. Tony makes the case for terrestrial networks that can serve as alternatives to some submarine cable routes, and getting the best mix of the two options.
  • Insights on the future of network automation, emphasizing that it's not just about instant provisioning, but also providing customers with the information they need to make educated purchasing decisions.

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In our final episode of this special podcast series about undersea cables, we're exploring the rapidly evolving technology of using fiber optic cables as remote sensors.

We welcome Mark Englund, CEO of Fibersense. Mark explains the fascinating world of Distributed Acoustic Sensing (DAS), and how this emerging technology is turning existing fiber optic cables into sentient, continuous sensors. We explore:

  • How this is transforming the cable industry, providing unparalleled real-time protection by detecting anchors and fishing gear and other potential threats.
  • How Fibersense uses machine learning to cut through the ocean's "cacophony" and make the data actionable for cable operators.
  • Finally, we spend a little time looking beyond the subsea, exploring the immense potential of DAS for terrestrial fiber in applications like protection against excavators, water leak detection in city infrastructure, and even a new vision for traffic safety and autonomous.

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Today's bonus podcast welcomes Tim Urban, author of the blog Wait But Why (https://waitbutwhy.com/) and the book "What's Our Problem?"

For a change of pace, this episode focuses on what happens on the consumer internet, not just the underlying technology and business of the web.

You'll quickly see that Tim is an astute observer of human trends, with a wealth of insight on how the internet has complicated communication and contributed to humans' tendency to fall into tribalism.

Host Greg Bryan relates these insights to the structure of the global telecom industry as the pair considers the breadth of human history and how our brains, in some ways, are ill-equipped to handle the environment in which we find ourselves in the 21st century.

This discussion covers:

  • The internet's role in the evolution of human communication, and context for this current moment of memes, sharing, liking, subscribing, and, in general, a culture of being terminally online.
  • Tim's forthcoming book, which attempts to tell the story of everything from the Big Bang to the end of the universe. (Don't worry if that sounds like a big topic; the pair focuses on the section about AI.)
  • Where AI will go from here? The conversation ties in how the internet is the physical backbone for this new "synthetic brain" that we are building, and what that might mean.

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Where do operators physically place their submarine cables, and why does that matter?

Even among those familiar with the undersea cable market, many don't give much thought to where precisely the cables lie on the seafloor and what factors determine this geography.

Today's guest knows a thing or two about how it gets done. We welcome James Porter, Cable Route Engineer at Alcatel Submarine Networks (ASN).

James spends his days studying maps to route submarine cables, ensuring ease of maintenance and compliance with guidelines. He joins Greg to discuss the challenges of seabed congestion, particularly in deep-water areas where new cables must be laid at a safe distance from existing ones to ensure they can be repaired in the future.

The pair also discuss:

  • The role of the International Cable Protection Committee (ICPC) and its recommendations for planning new cables to avoid impacting existing systems.
  • The complexities of geopolitics and physical geography, which often restrict cable routes and force them into congested choke points.
  • The critical need for better communication and data sharing among industry players to more efficiently and safely manage the crowded seabed.

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When submarine cables hit the mainstream media, it might be because something has gone wrong. Especially when faults lead to a bottleneck that slows down or, in rare cases, even stops internet traffic for some people.

Our guests today presented a paper at SubOptic 25 detailing their study on global submarine cable maintenance and recommendations for the industry.

Mike Constable, Principal at Infra-Analytics, and Alan Mauldin, Research Director here at TeleGeography, joined the pod to discuss their review of cable faults and the readiness of the industry to fix problems over the coming years.

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Let's talk about keeping submarine cables secure.

Ferris Adi, Chief Information Security Officer at Trans Americas Fiber System (https://transamericasfiber.com/), joins to discuss specific threats to submarine cables and how best to build resiliency against them.

We also cover various regulatory and compliance issues that submarine cable operators face when landing in different countries, as well as geopolitical threats to cable systems.

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We're kicking off a brand new mini-series all about submarine cables.

To start off the series, we couldn't think of a better guest than Senior Research Analyst Lane Burdette, an expert (and nerd) when it comes to cables. She and host Greg Bryan discuss the economics of submarine cables.

The conversation covers:

  • A refresher on the cables themselves, and all of the components that go into building them and lighting them for data transmission service.
  • The costs of these elements and how to construct the costs of building a sub cable.
  • Who builds these cables and why, and then how cable builders make money on their investment through selling data transmission services, as well as how and why sub cable prices vary around the world.
  • How supply and demand are likely to develop in this vast undersea market, and what Lane sees for the future of cable profitability.

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Joining us today is FCC Commissioner Nathan Simington.

Commissioner Simington has served on the Commission since late 2020. He brings a diverse background to the role, including experience with the NTIA.

The Commissioner and Host Greg Bryan cover several key issues facing the FCC:

👉 Several issues surrounding spectrum allocation and use. We talk about how FWA and LEO fit in spectrum plans, CBRS, unlicensed spectrum, and, of course, a bit on spectrum auctions.

👉 BIL and broadband development and the role wireless can play in closing the digital divide.

👉 The FCC’s role in submarine cable development and the Commissioner's views on ensuring submarine cable security.

👉 The Cyber Trust Mark and the FCC’s role in securing the ever-expanding threat perimeter and the Commissioner's views on how to get OEMs invested in keeping users safe.

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We welcome Michael Martin, formerly a global network and security architect at McKinsey.

Michael has extensive experience in the enterprise network space. We get his take on the industry's state of implementation of network automation among enterprises.

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Dennis Thankachan, Co-Founder and CEO of Lightyear (https://lightyear.ai/), is back on the pod.

We discuss Lightyear's State of Connectivity Report (https://lightyear.ai/ebooks/lightyears-state-of-connectivity-2025), which dovetails with the topics we research here at TeleGeography. It may be a perfect companion to our State of the Network effort. (https://www2.telegeography.com/download-state-of-the-network)

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We haven't been getting enough fiber here at TeleGeography Explains the Internet, but we're about to change that. We welcome Todd Chapman, a veteran in fiber development. Todd walks us through the ins and outs of Layer 0 of the physical infrastructure underlying data transmission.

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Our next guest is Fahim Sabir, Director of Digital Solutions at Colt.

What is NaaS? Fahim joined us to clarify the often confusing world of Network as a Service (NaaS). We discuss Fahim's definition of NaaS and a breakdown of why it's important in the market. We also discuss the back end, examining what the carrier ecosystem needs to accomplish to make customer-facing NaaS a reality.

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As the year ends, a few teammates joined us on the podcast to review the major telecom events of the past 12 months and chat about what we might anticipate in 2025. Some highlights 👇

⛓️‍💥 Analyst Lane Burdette joins the show to review some of the most headline-grabbing trends (https://blog.telegeography.com/what-to-know-about-submarine-cable-breaks) we saw in the submarine cable world.

☁️ While cables keep the continents connected, Principal Analyst Patrick Christian got on the mic to discuss one of the key reasons for that connectivity demand: cloud services.

📈 Of course, data centers underpin the cloud. For that conversation, we welcomed back Senior Manager Jon Hjembo after explaining our new Market Connectivity Score a few weeks ago (https://blog.telegeography.com/a-guide-to-calculating-the-worlds-next-interconnectivity-hub-according-to-you).

🐝 When it came to enterprise networks in 2024, it was hard to have a conversation that didn’t involve NaaS and security (https://blog.telegeography.com/when-networking-and-security-collide), specifically SASE. To talk about the trends surrounding the buzzwords, we had to call on Research Manager Brianna Boudreau.

🌎 So many of these conversations are underpinned by the transport network. To chat about the cost of sending bits around that global network, we were thrilled to welcome Research Director Rob Schult to tell us what was noteworthy in the world of telecom pricing in 2024.

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Our latest guest is Vinay Prabhu, Director of Product Management at Graphiant. He joins us to discuss the intricacies of moving data around the globe. Vinay outlines why you should think about your data in motion and what Graphiant is doing to ensure its safe passage, particularly as AI becomes prevalent.

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Our guest today is Rutger Bevaart, CEO and Co-founder of GNX. Rutger has a deep history in the telecom industry and founded GNX to streamline internet sourcing, which is undoubtedly a pain point for many listeners.

We discuss the shift away from MPLS and toward the internet and how that transition can bring many benefits to an enterprise; however, it also comes with complexity and new challenges, especially in sourcing and managing internet links worldwide.

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Our guest today is Marcel Stadler, Product Manager of SD-WAN at Open Systems. Marcel joins our semi-annual conversation on SD-WAN; he outlines how managed SD-WAN providers like Open Systems approach these issues with their enterprise customers.

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Where are we building data centers? Why? What markets are primed for interconnectivity glory? Which ones are getting left in the dust?

We've heard these questions again and again. So we did what any reasonable telecom data provider would do: we developed an interactive tool to rank the world's best-connected and fastest-growing cities, scored on a scale of 0-100 across nine key categories.

This week's guest on TeleGeography Explains the Internet is our resident data center expert Jon Hjembo. He walks us through how (and why!) we developed the Market Connectivity Score and reveals what initial rankings tell us about the interconnectivity landscape and metro areas to watch like Kuala Lumpur.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 603 | What Network Managers Should Know About AI and Machine Learning
  • Episode 308 | Data Centers and Digital Transformation
  • TeleGeography Literally Explains Data Centers
  • Jon Hjembo at PTC 2024
  • About the Data Center Research Service
  • Quarterly Market Connectivity Scores

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We're back on the AI beat, specifically looking at how it can support corporate network automation.

Per usual, we had a little help. Our guest today is Jamie Pugh, CTO at Globalgig.

Jamie joined the show not only to ponder all things automation but also to discuss enterprise network orchestration in the era of an increasingly complex WAN.

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It's 2024. We obviously had to do an AI episode of the pod.

And for that, we welcome our guest Michael Wynston, Director of Network & Security Architecture at Fiserv.

Michael is the first esteemed member of TeleGeography Explains the Internet's four-timers club. Indeed, as I'm sure you've guessed, he's back on the show for the fourth time. And this time around he's here to help us better understand how AI is developing as a network management tool.

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For our next episode of TeleGeography Explains the Internet, we look to the sky.

Our guest is Sal Salamone, Managing Editor of Network Computing magazine. Sal joins to discuss the emerging market for direct-to-device satellite communications.

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TeleGeography Explains the Internet is back from summer break.

We return a little older, a little wiser, and you can bet that we've done the summer reading. To that end, we're starting this season with a classic TeleGeography Explains deep dive.

The topic? U.S. telecom law!

Greg is joined by Jeff Long, an attorney in private practice with broad experience in both the data center and telecom industry.

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Over the past five weeks, we've endeavored to explain precisely how data moves around the world, covering the basics of internet, transport networks, data centers, and the cloud along the way.

Today we answer our final, lingering question: What is a WAN?

First, let's get definitions out of the way. WAN stands for wide area network, which came out of the term LAN, or local area network.

Today's episode will help you brush up on the evolution of the WAN. We'll also hear from Brianna Boudreau, TeleGeography's current SD-WAN guru.

From This Episode:

  • What is the Internet?
  • What is a Transport Network?
  • What Are Data Centers?
  • What is the Cloud?
  • Episode 508 | How Geography Influences Network Security
  • Episode 501 | Are These WAN Sourcing Trends Real or Just Hype?
  • Episode 425 | Surveying the WANscape
  • Episode 421 | What Makes a WAN Truly Secure?
  • Download the WAN Manager Survey Executive Summary
  • What SD-WAN Is and How It’s Deployed

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You may have heard a popular saying: There is no cloud, only other people’s computers.

To explain how it works, Senior Research Manager Patrick Christian joins us to talk cloud. We explain what it means to get something "as-a-service," hyperscalers, CDNs, and how companies get to the cloud.

From This Episode:

  • What is the Internet?
  • What is a Transport Network?
  • What Are Data Centers?
  • Explore our Cloud Infrastructure Map
  • Episode 510 | Head in the Cloud, Toes at the Edge
  • Episode 505 | It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Super Cloud
  • Episode 410 | A Telecom Year in Review, Part 1
  • Episode 304 | Understanding the Multicloud-Verse of Madness

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We're back at it with episode three of our five-part podcast special that explains the nuts and bolts of the internet. We haven’t yet covered exactly how and where those networks meet and exchange traffic with each other and access their destinations.

So today, it's data center time.

Senior Research Manager Jon Hjembo was on hand to help us work through data center types, their defining features, and what happens inside these facilities. We talk about who owns these structures and how their geography informs the way the internet works.

From This Episode:

  • What is the Internet?
  • What is a Transport Network?
  • Episode 508 | How Geography Influences Network Security
  • Episode 410 | A Telecom Year in Review, Part 1
  • Episode 402 | Data Centers and the Opportunity at the Edge
  • Episode 308 | Data Centers and Digital Transformation
  • Where in the World Is the Largest Data Center Hub?
  • Does 70% of the World’s Internet Traffic Flow Through Virginia?

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Welcome back to our five-part podcast special that literally explains how the internet you know and love works.

Last week we covered the most basic question: what is the internet?

Today, we tunnel deeper, exploring the physical transport networks behind this seemingly invisible, omnipresent information superhighway. Plus we get a little help from TeleGeography's own Paul Brodsky, Peter Wood, and Lane Burdette for this one

From This Episode:

  • What is the Internet?
  • Explore our Submarine Cable Map
  • Episode 503 | The Total Transformation of Latin American Telecom
  • Episode 424 | What Happens to Cables When The Earth Moves Under Our Feet?
  • Episode 418 | Behind the Seas: Making Our Famous Submarine Cable Map
  • Episode 416 | The Death of Voice Has Been Greatly Exaggerated
  • Episode 404 | What Role Do Satellites Play in Global Communication?

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What is the internet? Simply put, the internet is a network of computers.

Computers can only understand two things: on and off. Everything that we do on the internet is in binary—a series of 1s and 0s representing on and off—which gives instructions to your computer to do all the amazing things it does.

This means that the very bottom of the internet is a system for sending those 1s and 0s over wires (or spectrum in some cases). Whatever you do on the internet—email, videos, chats—the information is translated into that binary by your devices and then transmitted via packets.

We cover this process and lots more in the first episode of our five-part special to, well, literally explain the internet.

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On TeleGeography Explains the Internet, we often focus on the long-haul, zeroing in on the network portion of telecoms. Today, with the help of Tiago Rodrigues, President and CEO of the Wireless Broadband Alliance (WBA), we’re switching things up a bit.

Drawing upon his vast expertise in the Wi-Fi space, Tiago steps into the hot seat to outline the key issues in the wireless LAN.

This episode considers Wi-Fi 6, 6E, and 7 developments, OpenRoaming™ that allows seamless connection across different Wi-Fi networks, and Wi-Fi’s role in emerging solutions like NaaS.

We also discuss the digital divide and how to best use the limited resource of spectrum to ensure connectivity in our increasingly digital world.

From This Episode:

  • WBA Annual Industry Report 2024
  • Episode 504 | How NaaS Relates to SDN and Automation
  • Episode 409 | The Digital Divide Episode
  • Episode 402 | Data Centers and the Opportunity at the Edge
  • Episode 315 | How Enterprises Are Implementing NaaS (And Leaving MPLS)
  • Episode 313 | The Need for NaaS

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Today we welcome Nokia's Paul Unbehagen to the pod.

Paul has a deep history in the networking world, so he approaches his role at Nokia—NE Americas CTO—from the perspective of a network engineer.

Although our main topics this week are enterprise cloud and right-sizing cloud utilization, we use those as a springboard into many topics circling the state of the network in 2023.

We touch on the history of the enterprise’s move into the cloud and why some companies have reevaluated their cloud strategy in recent years.

As it so often does, the geography of the cloud comes up, along with Paul’s take on location and design in the cloud. This brings us to the edge—not only what it means and where it is, but some of the new and exciting use cases of what edge computing facilitates.

Embedded in that conversation is also 5G and how mobile can push the network into being a central part of the business. And we can’t resist bringing up AI/ML.

From This Episode

  • The price of managed cloud services
  • X celebrates 60% savings from cloud exit
  • Read @XEng post
  • Episode 509 | Why 4G Is Still Relevant for Enterprise Connectivity
  • Episode 508 | How Geography Influences Network Security
  • Episode 505 | It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Super Cloud
  • Episode 402 | Data Centers and the Opportunity at the Edge

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This week on TeleGeography Explains the Internet, we welcome SmartCIC CEO Toby Forman to the show.

Toby comes to us with a global perspective on the development of fixed wireless access (FWA) and its potential as a disruptive technology in the enterprise connectivity space.

After nailing down a solid definition of FWA in the market today, we run through the factors to consider when deploying FWA. Toby explains what Cellsmart—a division of SmartCIC focused on FWA—does for service providers and enterprises interested in going through this process.

Next, Toby offers some real-world use cases and shares how he sees the fixed wireless and wireless markets developing over the next few years, briefly delving into the broader implications of broadband access for economic development around the world.

This episode should leave you with a deeper understanding of the development of FWA, but also the ability to evaluate and plan for what is coming next.

From This Episode

  • Cellsmart Mapping Project:
    Heatmap of Tests | Tests By Date | Last 24 Hours Drive Testing
  • Episode 508 | How Geography Influences Network Security
  • Episode 504 | How NaaS Relates to SDN and Automation
  • Episode 219 | NaaS, the Cloud, and the Future of 5G
  • 2G and 3G Shutdowns Continue

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Today’s TeleGeography Explains the Internet guest comes to the security world with a deep background in cloud and networks.

Joe DePalo is Chief Platform Officer at Netskope, and the ideal person to help us understand how and why location matters in network security.

We first identify how the network has changed over the past few years, gauging the impact on both the threat landscape and how networks perform generally. Also on the agenda: why middle mile performance and security should be part of the equation, and how lessons learned from the challenges of creating CDNs are instructive about the modern issues in network security.

Finally, Joe offers a particularly interesting take on a question that comes up often on the podcast—what does it mean to have a WAN in this environment?

From This Episode

  • Episode 505 | It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Super Cloud
  • Episode 421 | What Makes a WAN Truly Secure?
  • Episode 415 | Unpacking Telecom Predictions of the Past
  • Episode 414 | SASE and Secure
  • Episode 409 | The Digital Divide Episode
  • Episode 309 | How Do You Solve a Problem Like Middle Mile?

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Today on TeleGeography Explains the Internet, we're asking the big questions about mobile advertising. Luckily, Ross Flynn of the Mobile Ecosystem Forum is with us to explain, which is exactly what we do on this show.

Ross has a background in digital advertising, making him the ideal person to walk us through advertising formulas that pair ads with IPs.

He talks to Greg about programmatic advertising—not just what it is, but how the practice impacts the mobile market. And then we get to the fun stuff: how do these advertising practices actually impact the mobile market? Is mobile advertising evolving? Does it present unique opportunities?

From This Episode

  • About the Mobile Ecosystem Forum
  • Episode 423: Staying a Step Ahead of Mobile Fraudsters
  • Mobile Calling’s Share of International Traffic Declines
  • i3forum Tracks COVID-19 Impact on International Voice Traffic
  • Mobile Advertising: Preparing for the Big Re-Set

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In August we were pumped to join a meeting of the OH Network User Group at the fabulous BrewDog hotel and brewery in Columbus, Ohio. (If you're not familiar with the Network User Association, they're worth checking out.)

The Ohio chapter kindly agreed to let host Greg Bryan do a live talk on how enterprise WANs are changing and what the implications of those changes are for network costs.

We brought lots of WAN data, fielded tons of questions, and very much enjoyed the networking vibes in Ohio.

From This Episode

  • How Common SASE Products Are Being Offered
  • Episode 501: Are These WAN Sourcing Trends Real or Just Hype?
  • Eight Enterprise Products, Explained
  • How the Cost of Network Ownership Can Change Over Time
  • SD-What? A Quick Explanation of What SD-WAN Is and How It’s Deployed
  • Episode 425: Surveying the WANscape

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We're thrilled to welcome William Collins, Principal Cloud Architect at Alkira, to the pod.

We asked William to talk us through the history of enterprise cloud and highlight a few of the bigger issues in enterprise cloud networking today. His answers might surprise you.

We even talk about supercloud—what it is and what the implications are. Grab your super suit and punch the play button to hear the full discussion.

From This Episode

  • Alkira Boosts Global Expansion Efforts for Enterprises with Cloud Exchange Point Presence in China
  • Mapping Out Asia’s Cloud Data Center and Connectivity Market
  • These Two Regions Account For About 65% of the World’s Cloud Data Centers
  • How Common SASE Products Are Being Offered
  • Cloud Infrastructure Map
  • Cloud and WAN Research Service

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The newest member of the TeleGeography Explains the Internet club is telecom industry veteran Mark Daley, Epsilon Telecommunications Director of Digital Strategy and Business Development.

After spending nearly a decade directly involved with SDN and NaaS at Epsilon Telecommunications, Mark is the perfect guest to help us talk through how NaaS is unfolding in the market.

The pod starts with Mark’s definition of NaaS and where he sees its availability in the current telecom services landscape. He also shares six important NaaS characteristics: visible, configurable, priceable, orderable, deployable, and manageable. (Be sure to write that down.)

Later, we talk about the history of Epsilon Telecommunications and how its mission became integrated into an incumbent provider.

From This Episode

  • Episode 502 | Why Telecom Service Providers Need To Automate
  • Episode 501 | Are These WAN Sourcing Trends Real or Just Hype?
  • Episode 425 | Surveying the WANscape
  • Episode 406 | Unraveling the Fabric Providers of Reality
  • Episode 313 | The Need for NaaS
  • Episode 219 | NaaS, the Cloud, and the Future of 5G

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Luis Fiallo has been in the telecom industry for over 25 years. And for the majority of that time, he has been at China Telecom Americas, witnessing the many changes happening in the Latin American telecom market firsthand.

After years of helping to drive CTA's growth in the region, Luis—now Vice President—has many valuable insights to share with TeleGeography Explains the Internet.

Peter Wood, TeleGeography’s Senior Analyst covering Latin America, joins to cover the history of networks in the region, going back to the days when even intra-South American traffic tromboned to Miami and back.

We also discuss the idea of directly connecting developing markets around the world, without passing through the U.S. or Western Europe, and the economic connections between East Asia and Latin America.

Finally, we talk about the cloud and dig into the areas of the Latin American telecom market that Luis views as the most important to develop in the coming years.

From This Episode

  • Episode 422 | AI Meets The Corporate Network
  • Episode 404 | What Role Do Satellites Play in Global Communication?
  • Episode 310 | How Global Events Impact the Internet
  • Get Acquainted With Our Cloud Infrastructure Map
  • 5G Frequency Frenzy: A Guide to Latin America’s Upcoming Spectrum Auctions
  • Latin American Pricing Takeaways From ITW
  • Has Geopolitical Conflict Between China and the U.S. Caused Their Networks to Disconnect?

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In both 2021 and 2022, MEF CTO Pascal Menezes joined us on TeleGeography Explains the Internet to talk through the work MEF is doing on standardizing the enterprise network.

This season, we welcome a new face from the same team, Stan Hubbard, Principal Analyst at MEF.

Stan recently authored a State of the Industry Report for MEF, so we wanted to have him on to discuss his findings and see where the telecom industry is at with adopting new technologies.

Stan first explains the drivers in the market and why telecom service providers need to automate to stay relevant and competitive. He then outlines the path carriers can take to achieve this.

Next, we talk about his report and get details on the state of adoption of automation in the telecom industry, why customized or proprietary APIs are inefficient, the benefits of standardization, how enterprise drives automation, and even how blockchain will be involved in network contracts.

You can hear about more topics like this at MEF's Global NaaS Event, happening October 2-4, 2023 in Dallas.

From This Episode

  • Global NaaS Event | Register Here (Free for Enterprises)
  • Download the MEF State of the Industry Report
  • Episode 408 | Orchestrating the Service Lifecycle
  • Episode 202 | Would an SD-WAN by Any Other Name Smell as Sweet?
  • Episode 406 | Unraveling the Fabric Providers of Reality
  • Episode 402 | Data Centers and the Opportunity at the Edge

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Season 5 of TeleGeography Explains the Internet is here, and we're kicking things off with Dennis Thankachan, Co-Founder and CEO at Lightyear.

Because Dennis is in the unique position of being able to see how enterprises are sourcing networks, we were excited to talk to him about some recent WAN trends.

This episode gets into the shift to off-premises data centers, hybrid and remote work, the drive to cut network costs through changing technologies, right-sizing networks, and more.

We also touch on Dennis’ skepticism about some frequently mentioned WAN trends and technologies.

From This Episode

  • Episode 425 | Surveying the WANscape
  • Episode 422 | AI Meets The Corporate Network
  • Episode 413 | A Brief History of Networking as a Service
  • Real Talk: Are WAN Managers Adopting NaaS?
  • Bonus Episode | The WAN in 2022

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This week, Season 4 of TeleGeography Explains the Internet ends on a high note with Junior Research Analyst Mei Harrison’s podcast debut.

As one half of our enterprise team two-man band, Mei is the perfect person to help me talk through results from our recently published WAN Manager Survey.

We highlight the key trends in multinational corporate networks around the world, covering MPLS vs. DIA use in the underlay, SD-WAN adoption, cloud connectivity, NaaS, and more.

Listen in for a comprehensive review of what is afoot in the world of WANs—plus a little preview of what we’re looking into next.

From This Episode

  • Download the WAN Manager Survey Executive Summary
  • Download Historical WAN Manager Survey Results
  • Real Talk: Are WAN Managers Adopting NaaS?
  • Bonus Episode | The WAN in 2022
  • Episode 307 | Insights from the 2021 WAN Manager Survey
  • About TeleGeography’s Cloud and WAN Infrastructure

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How are submarine cables impacted by tectonic shifts beneath the seafloor?

This week's guests on TeleGeography Explains the Internet are well-positioned to tell us. They join us from the UK’s National Oceanography Centre: Isobel Yeo, Researcher in Geology and Volcanology, and Michael Clare, Principal Researcher of Ocean BioGeoscience.

Mike and Izzy are geologists specializing in the seafloor, so their research has become vital for the submarine cable community.

While most cable faults are due to human activity, a fair number are caused by changes in the seafloor. This includes earthquakes, volcanoes, landslides, and even flooding on land.

We discuss the myriad ways that the dynamic nature of what lies under the surface can damage cables. We even get into the history of natural disasters and communications cables going back a century or more.

We get into a specific seismic event—the recent Tongan volcanic eruption—as well as ongoing threats to sub cables, including how climate change could increase risks and how we can start to mitigate them.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 310: How Global Events Impact the Internet
  • Explore our 2023 Submarine Cable Map
  • Cutting off Europe? A Look at How the Continent Connects to the World
  • Gloomy Economic Indicators… Scary Future for the Subsea Cable Industry?
  • New Cables Are Coming to Africa
  • Submarine Cable FAQs

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Our guest today is Dario Betti, CEO of the Mobile Ecosystem Forum.

It's always nice to have industry association folks on the show. I've found they can pull back from the perspective of a single vendor or operator to paint a broader picture of the challenges facing different corners of the telecom industry. This is exactly what Dario does in this interview on all things mobile.

Dario first explains what the MEF does (and does not do) for its members. But, perhaps more importantly, he provides a great overview of the key issues at play in the global mobile market.

And what might those issues be?

We talk about fraud—always needing to stay one step ahead of the bad guys—and what's happening with roaming as carriers turn off 2 and 3G networks. We get into security for mobile networks, meeting ever-increasing mobile bandwidth demand, and 5 and even 6G mobile service.

From This Episode:

  • 2G and 3G Shutdowns Continue
  • Tracking 5G Deployments in the Middle East and Africa
  • Mobile Calling’s Share of International Traffic Declines
  • i3forum Tracks COVID-19 Impact on International Voice Traffic
  • Ukrainian Telcos: Communicating Through the Conflict

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Today’s episode of TeleGeography Explains the Internet is about artificial intelligence. And for that we welcome Kannan Kothandaraman, Co-Founder and CEO at Selector AI.

With a plethora of cheeky, AI-generated content out there already, we don't have to tell you that AI has been in the news a lot lately. And I know "AI" is a capacious term; this week's conversation focuses on how AI/ML will actually impact telecom networks.

In fact, we've talked a lot on TeleGeography Explains the Internet about the meaningful changes that have come to corporate networks over the past several years—although it's often in the context of impacting the underlay selection, cloud utilization, security, and other factors.

Our interview with Kannan is all about how AIOPs (don't worry, we'll define this in the show) are an important tool for meeting the many challenges that come with a reimagined WAN.

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I've always known Aryaka Networks as service provider with a different approach to enterprise networks—they don’t neatly fit into categories like facilities-based carrier or managed service provider.

When Aryaka’s Chief Product Officer Renuka Nadkarni agreed to join me on TeleGeography Explains the Internet, I quickly had a list of questions mapped about their place in the WAN landscape.

In this episode, we cover how Aryaka approaches the WAN across different services like network, WAN optimization, SD-WAN, and security. We also get a chance to chat about the state of the modern WAN, the forces that have changed it, and how those changes impact the way one should think about security.

With an extensive background in security, Renuka has a clear and interesting take on what a secure WAN truly is.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 414: SASE and Secure
  • Episode 312: SASE Isn't Revolutionary. It's Evolutionary.
  • Episode 216: To The Edge and Back
  • Episode 202: Safe for WANs
  • The WAN in 2022
  • SD-WAN's Shift to Security
  • Explore the Hypothetical Network Series

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Wanna look at some cool voice data?

The recent expansion of the i3forum's Insights tool has quite a bit of that. I've been itching to talk about it on TeleGeography Explains the Internet. So today we're chatting with the i3forum, a nonprofit industry body focused on "accelerating transformation across the carrier ecosystem."

Put another way: this consortium of carriers routinely collaborates on solving some of the biggest challenges facing their industry. And they have a really innovative way of sharing data among participants, to the benefit of all involved. (Non-members can participate in this data-sharing, too. More of than in our discussion.)

To get into carrier collaboration, I'm joined by Philippe Millet, Founder and Chairman of the i3forum, as well as Michael Lawrence, Director of Business Intelligence, Operations and Transformation at Tata Communications.

Philippe walks us through why he founded the forum and how it operates. And how exactly do members develop, curate, and share recommendations with one another?

This is the perfect segue to chat with Michael, an active member of the i3forum. He offers an inside perspective on the Insights tool and the benefits of connecting with other carriers.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 416: The Death of Voice Has Been Greatly Exaggerated
  • Voice Traffic: I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up
  • About i3forum Insights
  • Behind the Scenes of i3forum Insights, the Industry's New Database for Global Voice Services
  • What is i3forum Insights and How Does it Work?

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Meet Aaron Chan, Founder and Managing Partner at Recurve Capital. As an investor in the “technology media and telecom” space—or “TMT” as they say in finance circles—Aaron has something of an outside perspective.

In this episode, we discuss how investors view the telecom industry and how Aaron classifies publicly traded telecom companies.

You'll hear Aaron's view of the long-term profitability of network operators and what he looks for in making investment decisions in the telecom space. We also talked about the future of the industry, what might lead to competitive advantage for some companies, and how long that might last.

From This Episode:

  • Keep Up With Telecom Trends
  • Episode 415: Unpacking Telecom Predictions of the Past
  • Learn More About Our Research

Disclaimer: This podcast expresses the views of its participants only as of the date indicated, which are subject to change without update and may not represent the views of Recurve Capital LLC [(“Recurve”)]. Recurve makes no representation that any past securities performance discussed should be an indication of future results.This podcast does not constitute investment advice, or any offer to sell or buy securities or other investment products. Recurve or its affiliates may from time to time have positions in the securities discussed, which do not represent all of the securities purchased, sold or recommended by Recurve to its advisory clients.

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There's a good chance that you first heard about TeleGeography through one of our maps.

Our own Research Analyst Lane Burdette was introduced to TeleGeography when she came across our Submarine Cable Map a few years ago. Now part of the team that creates this map, Lane is understandably stoked about this week's 2023 Submarine Cable Map launch.

It seems like the perfect time to welcome Lane—along with our incredibly talented Designer and Cartographer Larry Lairson—to TeleGeography Explains the Internet.

In this episode, we first talk to Lane about what data goes into our submarine cable maps, how we collect that information, what's new in this year's edition, and more.

Then we pass the mic to Larry to discuss his design process. How does he translate the data into beautiful visuals? How geographically accurate is the info on our maps? How are the design themes chosen for printed maps?

Hit the play button below to step into the world of TeleGeography map making.

From This Episode:

  • Explore the Interactive Submarine Cable Map
  • Check out the printed 2023 Submarine Cable Map
  • Visit Our Map Store
  • Design a Custom Map
  • Sponsor a Map
  • Download the Mapping Communication E-book
  • Hear From Other TeleGeography Experts

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Rohan Singh knew his future was in networking and communication when he saw his first network diagram at around 12 years old. That's probably why he feels like he's been involved in networking for most of his life.

Now Vice President of Client Services at Marlabs, Rohan joined us at TeleGeography Explains the Internet to talk about all that goes into the modern digital transformation.

While we had a lot to say about WAN optimization and partner ecosystems, it was getting into the future of networking that makes this episode special.

Rohan shared his insight on what the market needs in its future infrastructure professionals, from training considerations to getting young developers and computer science students interested in networking.

Come for the data center migration talk, stay for the thoughtful musings on the future of the industry.

From This Episode:

  • What We Learned From Enterprise Networking in 2022
  • Upskilling Network Architects for the Automated Network
  • Nailing Down Network-as-a-Service
  • Key Findings From Our Latest WAN Market Size Report
  • Learn more about the WAN Manager Survey
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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Why has it taken us this long to welcome Senior Research Manager Paul Brodsky—an A+ podcast guest—to TeleGeography Explains the Internet?

We brought Paul on to discuss our most recent voice report, but we couldn’t help getting into a whole lot more. We talk about the history of telecom and how voice and internet networks compare—and how that is impacting voice traffic and revenue.

The conversation also covers the cash cow that voice once was and what's happening now. Voice enthusiasts will appreciate that we get into the history of OTT and VoIP technologies and how they've disrupted the market. And we couldn't leave out mobile, especially as Paul came to TeleGeography from a mobile provider.

From This Episode:

  • Voice Traffic: I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up
  • About the TeleGeography Report and Database
  • Download the New Executive Summary
  • Hear From Other TeleGeography Experts

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It's one thing to make predictions. It's another to go back and assess how those predictions shook out.

One month into 2023, Mattias Fridström, Chief Evangelist at Arelion, very kindly agreed to scrutinize his 2022 forecast with us.

As you will hear, Mattias has been at Arelion (formerly Telia) for a long time. From his perspective within a tier 1 provider, he has an outstanding view of the industry. He uses that vantage point to write a forward-looking article every year, reviewing trends he expects to see in the days ahead.

We were thrilled that Mattias visited us at TeleGeography Explains the Internet to wade through those predictions from days past.

We start with the top three global carrier trends. Listen in for a closer examination of network security, utilization of the public internet, and disaggregated networks.

We also consider issues that arose in 2022—both anticipated and unanticipated—like skills gaps, cost increases/shortages like “chipmaggedon," and global issues outside the telecom industry.

From This Episode:

  • Peruse Mattias' Original Predictions for 2022
  • How Global Events Impact the Internet
  • What to Know About Fiber’s Role in Ukraine’s Information War
  • Explore the Hypothetical Network Blog Series
  • The Data Center Sector: An Uncertain Juncture
  • Content Providers Binge on Global Bandwidth
  • Key Findings From Our Latest WAN Market Size Report
  • Learn more about the WAN Manager Survey
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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This week on TeleGeography Explains the Internet we welcome Jeremiah Ginn, Software Defined Cybersecurity Evangelist at AT&T and author of Diving into SASE.

In this episode you'll learn how to define SASE based on your audience and identify the key elements that belong in the SASE framework.

We then dig into the fast-paced update cycle for security software. Why is it necessary for the modern network? And what are the implications for upskilling and managed security services?

Next, Jeremiah and host Greg Bryan focus on zero trust and why enterprises need this security posture to be a part of any SASE framework. And we can’t talk about SASE without hitting on SD-WAN and the role of access in the SASE acronym.

From This Episode:

  • Diving into SASE: Book Review
  • The WAN in 2022
  • Episode 312: SASE Isn't Revolutionary. It's Evolutionary.
  • Episode 216: To The Edge and Back
  • Episode 202: Safe for WANs
  • SD-WAN's Shift to Security
  • Explore the Hypothetical Network Series

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This week's guest on TeleGeography Explains the Internet has a deep history in networking.

Khalid Raza was involved in some of the earliest large-scale MPLS deployments. Then, after seeing the limitations of MPLS, he co-founded Viptela–diving head-first into the SD-WAN revolution.

Khalid is now the Founder and CEO of Graphiant, a Silicon Valley-based startup. In this interview, he describes how enterprise networks have changed and why we need an approach beyond MPLS and SD-WAN.

We also discuss the origin of Graphiant, its approach to solving modern network problems, and how it differentiates itself from other NaaS and WAN services in the current market.

Of course, you can’t talk about networking without talking about security, so that comes up as well. We also look at how Khalid sees enterprise networks developing in the years to come.

From This Episode:

  • The WAN in 2022
  • Episode 406 | Unraveling the Fabric Providers of Reality
  • Episode 402 | Data Centers and the Opportunity at the Edge
  • Episode 315 | How Enterprises Are Implementing NaaS (And Leaving MPLS)
  • Episode 313 | The Need for NaaS
  • Learn more about the WAN Manager Survey
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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You thought we were going to do a major end-of-year review of telecom trends and leave out all things WAN? No, no. Not on our watch.

Host and Senior Manager of Enterprise Research Greg Bryan broke out the data for this bonus New Years episode of TeleGeography Explains the Internet.

Fans of our annual WAN Manager Survey will enjoy getting a peek at our 2022 results. We've also got intel on NaaS, SASE, MPLS, and all the other acronyms that mattered to the WAN world in 2022.

Happy 2023, listeners. We're looking forward to exploring the global business of connectivity with you in the year ahead. Cheers to that.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 406 | Unraveling the Fabric Providers of Reality
  • Episode 405 | Unpacking Network Observability
  • Episode 402 | Data Centers and the Opportunity at the Edge
  • Episode 315 | How Enterprises Are Implementing NaaS (And Leaving MPLS)
  • Episode 312 | SASE Isn't Revolutionary. It's Evolutionary.
  • Key Findings From Our Latest WAN Market Size Report
  • Learn more about the WAN Manager Survey
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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We're looking back at all things telecom in 2022. And we're doing it the best way we know how: rounding up our analysts and inviting them to discuss major findings in their areas of research on TeleGeography Explains the Internet.

If you want to dive in from the very beginning, you can listen to part one over here. And if you're ready for more, keep scrolling.

Part two takes us on a journey through the last 12 months of submarine cable news, SD-WAN, security, and major world events that intersected with telecom infrastructure.

We we thrilled to have TeleGeography's own Alan Mauldin, Brianna Boudreau, and Tim Stronge in the hot seat.

Not only did they bring data on the year that was, but they brought a wealth of insight on what we might expect to see across the industry in 2023. The perfect way to toast the New Year, if we do say so.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 404 | What Role Do Satellites Play in Global Communication?
  • Episode 312 | SASE Isn't Revolutionary. It's Evolutionary.
  • Episode 310 | How Global Events Impact the Internet
  • Episode 212 | Submarine Cables: It's Not Bitcoin
  • Gloomy Economic Indicators… Scary Future for the Subsea Cable Industry?
  • What to Know About Fiber’s Role in Ukraine’s Information War
  • Zeroing in on the Trans-Atlantic Submarine Corridor
  • Explore our Submarine Cable Map
  • Download the 2022 SD-WAN Guide
  • Read the Hypothetical Network Blog Series

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Greg Bryan kicks off the first of a two-part telecom year in review, welcoming experts Patrick Christian, Rob Schult, and Jon Hjembo to highlight the major trends they saw in their principal research areas.

Part one takes us through the year in wholesale internet, cloud services, transport pricing, data centers, and lots more.

We talk inflation, we talk energy, we talk geography. And we're only just getting started.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 301 | Wholesale Pricing and the WAN
  • Episode 205 | Putting The Data Center Geography in TeleGeography
  • Episode 308 | Data Centers and Digital Transformation
  • Explore the Hypothetical Network Blog Series
  • Price Erosion Remains the Universal Norm
  • A 2022 Update on African Network Geography
  • A 2022 Update on Interconnection Geography
  • The Data Center Sector: An Uncertain Juncture
  • Content Providers Binge on Global Bandwidth

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James “Jim” Capuano has logged over 30 years in the telecommunications industry. And he's the CEO of Horizon, a service provider with more than 125 years of telecommunications experience.

We recently asked Jim to share some of his knowledge on TeleGeography Explains the Internet. In this episode, we view middle mile problems and solutions from a provider perspective and discuss how the middle mile is developing in the current WAN environment.

Then we turn our focus to the digital divide. Why do we need to bridge it—and how?

From This Episode:

  • TeleGeography Deep Dives: Internet Middle Mile
  • How Providers Are Approaching the Middle Mile in 2022
  • Episode 309 | How Do You Solve a Problem Like Middle Mile?
  • Episode 211 | I'm Just the Middle Mile Man
  • Episode 203 | Stuck in the Middle Mile With You
  • About our Internet Middle Mile research

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Last year, MEF CTO Pascal Menezes walked us through the work MEF is doing on standardizing the enterprise network.

Nearly a year and a half later, Pascal is back on the pod to discuss what MEF has been doing since then.

Our first topic: Lifecycle Service Orchestration. What is it, how has it progressed, and what does it do for the carrier community?

We also get into enterprise automation, operational APIs, new SASE and ZT standards, and more.

This episode of TeleGeography Explains the Internet ties in perfectly with last week's, where Orchest's Jeremy Villalobos—who I actually met at a MEF event—helped us tackle why automation is so important from a carrier perspective.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 202 | Would an SD-WAN by Any Other Name Smell as Sweet?
  • Episode 407 | Embracing Carrier Service Automation
  • Episode 305 | Upskilling Network Architects for the Automated Network
  • Download the SD-WAN Guide: 2022 Edition
  • Explore the Hypothetical Network Blog Series

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This week, with the help of Jeremy Villalobos, COO of Orchest (formerly known as GoldConnect), TeleGeography Explains the Internet tackles automation from a carrier perspective.

What is it? How is it being used in telecom? And why is it crucial that carriers move toward automation?

Of course, we had to tie in the impact on the enterprise WAN, as well as the future of automation—including practical uses for blockchain telecom.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 305 | Upskilling Network Architects for the Automated Network
  • Download the new WAN Market Size Report Executive Summary
  • Explore the Hypothetical Network Blog Series
  • Take the 2022 WAN Manager Survey

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This week, we're talking about NaaS.

We've covered NaaS in various contexts on TeleGeography Explains the Internet, but this episode focuses on fabric providers and where they're headed.

For that, we're so glad to have on our outspoken and knowledgeable friend Michael Wynston, Director of Network Security Architecture & Automation at Fiserv.

Michael has now been on TeleGeography's podcast not once, not twice, but three times—and it's safe to say that he really knows his stuff.

What are fabric providers doing and how do they fit into the context of the traditional WAN? Alongside your typical MPLS-Internet hybrid network? As a replacement for some of that WAN? Listen to our conversation to find out.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 402 | Data Centers and the Opportunity at the Edge
  • Episode 313 | The Need for NaaS
  • Episode 219 | NaaS, the Cloud, and the Future of 5G
  • Episode 207 | SmartNICs, Explained
  • Episode 105 | The WAN and Working From Home
  • Considering Cloud Connectivity Providers
  • Take the 2022 WAN Manager Survey

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If you want to review the state of the corporate WAN—in light of digital transformation, the cloud, SD-WAN adoption, and MPLS utilization—there's no one better to talk to than Phil Gervasi, Director of Technical Evangelism at Kentik.

Lucky for us, he was this week's guest on TeleGeography Explains the Internet.

We covered the state of lift-and-shift into the cloud, the perseverance of MPLS, real use cases of SD-WAN, and, of course, lots on how network changes have impacted the visualization of network performance and security. (And how that needs to evolve.)

From This Episode:

  • Episode 315 | How Enterprises Are Implementing NaaS (And Leaving MPLS)
  • SD-WAN's Shift to Security
  • Download the new WAN Market Size Report Executive Summary
  • Explore the Hypothetical Network Blog Series
  • Take the 2022 WAN Manager Survey

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Let's do it. Let's talk satellites!

And we have the perfect person to help us out. We're thrilled to welcome Dr. Peter Wood—TeleGeography analyst and resident satellite guy—to the pod.

We discuss how—while wires still reign supreme—satellite is having a bit of a resurgence. And maybe even the potential to disrupt the wireline market? Listen to our conversation to find out.

It was also a great opportunity to get Alan Mauldin on the line to talk more about his latest blog post, which is all too relevant to our satellite chat.

From This Episode:

  • Cutting off Europe? A Look at How the Continent Connects to the World
  • How LEO Satellite Connectivity Might Change Enterprise Networks
  • How Will Broadband Prices Fare Against a Satellite Boom?
  • The International Satellite Broadband Battle Intensifies
  • Will New Satellites End the Dominance of Submarine Cables?

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Our guest today is Waheed Adam, Global Board Director of the Mobile Ecosystem Forum and Executive Chairperson at iTouch Messaging Service.

He was a fantastic guest who brought a wealth of knowledge—and some really excellent stories—about mobile adoption as infrastructure in Africa. Senior Research Manager Patrick Christian joined in to discuss mobile-first economies, the role of hyperscalers/data centers in Africa, and the future of African telecoms.

From this Episode:

  • 2022 Africa Telecommunications Map
  • A 2022 Update on African Network Geography
  • Africa’s Mobile Sector: Still Room for Growth

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When we reached out to today's podcast guest—Jim Poole, Vice President of Business Development at Equinix—about being on the show, we asked if he'd be willing to dig into NaaS or edge data centers.

But as we got to talking before our interview, we realized that these two topics are deeply interrelated. And Jim has lots of insight to share about where the market is headed.

We waded through how Equinix is approaching NaaS from a solutions standpoint and what it means to truly be an edge data center.

Join us for a conversation about NaaS, Equinix’s role in that market as a data center provider, how traditional telcos are positioned to provide NaaS, how Equinix is developing edge services in conjunction with emerging networking solutions, and much more.

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To kick off Season 4, we're going deep into the supply chain as Greg welcomes Dr. Michael Lebby, CEO of Lightwave Logic. 

The pair get into making a better mousetrap for the light-switching world. Listen up if you're into the technology that makes optical transport possible—and specifically how this technology fits into the telecom transport ecosystem. 

Fasten your seatbelts. This episode has new tech talk, optical transport pricing intel, a big Shannon Limit shout-out, and lots more.

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Get ready. There's a new season of the WAN Manager Podcast coming to your feeds next week. 

This season will be our biggest yet. It’s so big, we couldn’t contain our conversations to just the WAN. That’s why the WAN Manager Podcast is now: TeleGeography Explains the Internet.

New name. More content. Same great show. See you next week.

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Anyone in the WAN business—from the carrier or end-user side—knows that local access can present some of the biggest challenges in corporate networks.

There's a physical geography problem that's not easy to overcome. We're talking about pulling and maintaining wires to all corporate sites, which is especially challenging when customers need physical diversity and protection.

Wireless has long been a backup of last resort for many users, but 5G has presented the promise of relieving this pain point.

Let's talk about it. Greg welcomes Inseego Senior VP and GM of Enterprise Ritesh Mukherjee to the WAN Manager Podcast. The pair chat about 5G as a local access game-changer, get into some use cases, and look to the future of wireless in the WAN. 

From This Episode

  • Episode 306 | Integrating Wireless into the WAN
  • Episode 219 | NaaS, the Cloud, and the Future of 5G
  • Over 100 5G Network Launches in 2020
  • Wireless Broadband in WAN
  • WAN Managers Weigh Greatest Challenges of Remote Working
  • Why Do Internet Service Providers Need to Pay for Local Access?
  • WAN Pricing Mythbusters: Is Local Access 50% or More of the WAN?
  • About our WAN Cost Benchmark
  • About our WAN Geography Benchmark
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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While NaaS and the middle mile are fairly new concepts, they're not new to the WAN Manager Podcast.

In episodes past, we've highlighted the framework, concept, market players, and products available. Now we consider things from another perspective.

Ameet Naik, Director of Product Marketing at Cloudflare, takes center stage to help us tackle some real-world NaaS use cases.

You'll laugh. You'll cry. You'll ponder the post-MPLS SD-WAN network and the future of the WAN business.

From This Episode

  • Episode 313 | The Need for NaaS
  • Episode 219 | NaaS, the Cloud, and the Future of 5G
  • Episode 203 | Stuck in the Middle Mile With You
  • What is Internet Middle Mile?
  • SD-WAN's Shift to Security
  • TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map
  • About our WAN Cost Benchmark
  • About our WAN Geography Benchmark
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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The TeleGeography team began benchmarking networks almost a decade ago. (Time flies when you're having fun!)

Back then, the big use case was making sure that carrier and customer were on the same page about how much MPLS and access prices had fallen over the life of a contract—and how far prices would probably fall in the next several years.

We still do some benchmarks that look like this. But, more often than not, benchmarking is much more complicated these days.

Enterprises often have some idea of the network they need to accommodate changes in IT—but the path to get from here to there, and the costs of the journey—are far from clear.

To help us bring some order to the chaos, we're glad to welcome back Ian Calderbank of Calderbank Consulting. Ian chats with Greg about legacy networks, related pain points, evolving business needs, and contours of the "target state" network that WAN teams should work toward.

From This Episode

  • Episode 215 | Managing Multinetwork Network Modifications
  • Episode 308 | Data Centers and Digital Transformation
  • What SD-WAN Features Do WAN Professionals Actually Want?
  • Prominence of DIA in the WAN
  • Global DIA Prices and Trends
  • DIA Is Hot on the Heels of MPLS
  • About our WAN Cost Benchmark
  • About our WAN Geography Benchmark
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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Our readers likely know about NaaS: cloud-based network architecture that allows a WAN manager to stitch together different enterprise network components in a self-service, automated way.

At the WAN Manager Podcast, we've been watching the ways in which NaaS has emerged as specific products/solutions from vendors, as well as how it integrates with existing WAN strategies from the enterprise side. Of course, there's a lot to cut through in terms of how vendors present their services to the market—and what enterprises can actually adopt right now to solve specific problems.

It only seemed fitting that we welcome back Jason Gintert, CTO and Co-Founder of WAN Dynamics, to the pod to break it all down.

Come for the network-as-a-service talk, stay for Greg's proposed new pronunciation of "NaaS" and the pair's take on if the private WAN is disappearing (gasp).

From This Episode

  • About Our Sponsor: The WAN Summit
  • Considering Cloud Connectivity Providers
  • Episode 219 | NaaS, the Cloud, and the Future of 5G
  • Episode 211: I'm Just the Middle Mile Man
  • Episode 202 | SFW: Safe for WANs
  • What is Internet Middle Mile?
  • Watch Our Panel Discussion on Middle Mile
  • TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map
  • About our WAN Cost Benchmark
  • About our WAN Geography Benchmark
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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Here's a hot take: the networking hype cycle has moved on from SD-WAN in favor of SASE and now SSE.

To help us navigate how these changes are impacting the modern infrastructure team—especially with respect to SD-WAN—Greg welcomes Nav Chander, Head of Service Provider SD-WAN/SASE Product Marketing at Aruba, to the WAN Manager Podcast.

From This Episode

  • E-book: Learn how to secure the WAN with SASE
  • Managed SASE services: Does one size fit all?
  • The Home Office Isn't Going Away. What Does That Mean for WAN Managers?
  • Here's How You Should Remember the 2021 WAN
  • Episode 216: To The Edge and Back
  • Episode 202: Safe for WANs
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • About the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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Two years ago—when the world shut down—WAN managers had to scramble to accommodate massive changes. Offices transitioned to remote work and navigated brand new traffic patterns.

Our guest on this week's WAN Manager Podcast navigated the added challenge of running a network within the healthcare industry, where business needs were changing in real-time.

Carl Flaherty, Manager of Network Services at Main Line Health, shares his network story in our latest WAN Manager Pod.

Greg and Carl talk about pre-pandemic networking, as well as how Carl's team solved the many COVID-related problems thrown their way. This includes setting up pop-up COVID testing sites, preparing radiologists for remote work, and putting out infrastructure fires while social distancing. 

From This Episode

  • About Our Sponsor: The WAN Summit
  • The Home Office Isn't Going Away. What Does That Mean for WAN Managers?
  • Get the Slides: Adjusting to Your New Hybrid Workforce
  • Five Network Managers, Five Network Management Stories
  • Episode 215: Managing Multinational Network Modifications
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • About Our WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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We've discussed the ways in which the WAN is moving away from private networks and MPLS in favor of reliance on the public internet. Not to mention the costs and benefits of that evolution.

Although it's certainly always been the case that WAN managers must stay on top of internet performance and outages, this is increasingly crucial in the internet-first WAN era in which we find ourselves.

To get into the ways in which global events, natural or human, impact the internet—and how to stay on top of those headlines—we welcome a leading expert on this topic to the WAN Manager Podcast.

Doug Madory, Director of Internet Analysis at Kentik, sits with Greg to get into recent world events that have had real, consequential impacts on the internet.

From the volcanic eruption and subsequent tsunami that knocked out internet access in Tonga, to Russia's ongoing invasion of Ukraine and the corresponding information war, the pair had much to talk about.

From This Episode

  • What to Know About Fiber’s Role in Ukraine’s Information War
  • Internet Provider to Ukrainian Military Hit With Major Cyberattack
  • New blocks emerge in Russia: An OONI network measurement analysis
  • Ukraine’s Telecom Market, Explained
  • Ukrainian Telcos: Communicating Through the Conflict
  • Sanctions Start to Hit Russia’s Tech Sector
  • TeleGeography's Submarine Cable Map
  • Episode 212: Submarine Cables: It's Not Bitcoin
  • Episode 208: The Art of Zen and Network Monitoring

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Coevolve CTO Ciaran Roche is back on the pod. And he's in the hot seat to discuss how middle mile solutions are selected to solve real-world enterprise WAN issues.

When Ciaran joined us last year, we spent lots of time talking about cloud adoption and SD-WAN. You might remember that we discussed how freeing up the transport layer from single-source carrier WANs had created a brand new challenge: how to manage the middle mile.

Almost a year on from that conversation, Greg and Ciaran delve into what we've seen from enterprises who are solving this middle mile problem. The pair get into the use cases for implementing a middle mile solution, related products, and the adoption cycle for middle mile services.

From This Episode

  • What is Internet Middle Mile?
  • Episode 211: I'm Just the Middle Mile Man
  • Episode 203: Stuck in the Middle Mile With You
  • Watch Our Panel Discussion on Middle Mile
  • TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map
  • How to Connect to the Cloud
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • About Our Internet Middle Mile research
  • About Cloud and WAN Infrastructure
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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When it comes to the cloud and digital transformation of the enterprise, it's always useful to come back to the fact that physical geography matters to our digital world.

Moving the data center off-premises or shifting data and workloads to the cloud doesn’t dematerialize this fact. You still need wires that connect to servers that sit in a rack at a hyperscaler or neutral data center facility.

More than ever, enterprises need to understand the market landscape and pricing structure at what were once “colocation” facilities. (Which were once only interesting to service providers and ISPs.) 

To help us navigate the world of data center operators and pricing, Greg welcomes TeleGeography's resident interconnection expert Jon Hjembo.

From This Episode

  • Where Is the Cloud Moving in 2022 and Beyond?
  • 2021 WAN in Review
  • Understanding the Multicloud-Verse of Madness
  • Corporate Data Center Geography, Explained
  • Here's How You Should Remember the 2021 WAN
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Discover the Data Center Research Service
  • Join the WAN Forum

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We've crunched the numbers from our survey of WAN managers in 2021 and our new analysis is ready and waiting.

What'd we find?

To start, the extended effects of COVID-related remote work have accelerated WAN trends like migration to the cloud, SD-WAN adoption, and incorporating alternative access technologies into the underlay.

Network managers at large multinational corporations are now faced with accommodating a remote-friendly, bring-your-own-device, work-from-anywhere environment. Many will likely be rethinking their network architecture in the coming years, moving closer to internet-first networks and further away from MPLS.

Greg welcomes TeleGeography Senior Analyst Elizabeth Thorne back to the pod to break it all down.

From This Episode:

  • Survey Says: DIA Is Hot on the Heels of MPLS
  • 2021 WAN in Review
  • Prominence of DIA in the WAN
  • Here's How You Should Remember the 2021 WAN
  • Traversing the Internet’s Middle Mile
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Join the WAN Forum

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One of the earliest and most persistent use cases for SD-WAN has been the ability to utilize alternative connectivity options like internet and fixed wireless. And our WAN Manager Survey data has shown us that, since 2018, MPLS has been losing ground to other wireline alternatives like DIA and broadband.

Over that same period, wireless grew as a percentage of sites in our study—but it still represents fewer than one in ten sites, on average.

That said, we might expect to see that increase significantly over the next few years, particularly as fixed wireless 5G plans emerge.

Founder and CEO of Blue Wireless Ivan Landen joins Greg to discuss how that transition might look.

From This Episode

  • NaaS, Cloud, and the Future of 5G
  • 2021 WAN in Review
  • Will New Satellites End the Dominance of Submarine Cables?
  • Wireless Broadband in WAN
  • Over 100 5G Network Launches in 2020
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Discover the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Join the WAN Forum

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Network automation pops up often on the WAN Manager Podcast.

But—you know what's under-discussed? The HR aspect of upskilling IT workers and/or acquiring the right talent to make this transformation and manage it going forward.

To get into it, Greg welcomes Michael Martin, Senior Expert of Networking and Network Security at McKinsey & Co.

The pair covers the basics of network automation, getting engineers/network architects up to speed in this area, and attracting the right new talent for these network transformations.

From This Episode

  • 2021 WAN in Review
  • Nailing Down Network-as-a-Service
  • EMEA Carriers Embrace SD-WAN
  • Nailing Down Network-as-a-Service
  • WAN Managers Consider Zero Trust Security, Face Challenges in Implementation
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Discover the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Join the WAN Forum

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We're going to talk about the cloud. More specifically, cloud outages and how to avoid them and mitigate their impacts.

There's no way we can dig into this topic without touching on multicloud strategies.

Even back in 2019—when we surveyed WAN managers about their organization’s cloud infrastructure—we found that three in four enterprises had already gone multicloud, with at least two IaaS providers. We also found that the majority of enterprises were in hybrid cloud situations, with some mix of public, private, and on-premises data centers.

And to help us get deeper into all things cloud, we're thrilled to have CEO of Go Cloud Careers Mike Gibbs on deck.

From This Episode

  • About Go Cloud Careers
  • What Problem is the Middle Mile Trying to Solve?
  • Corporate Data Center Geography, Explained
  • Trends in Cloud Infrastructure and Global Networks
  • SFW: Safe for WANs
  • About TeleGeography's Cloud and WAN Infrastructure Research
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Discover the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Join the WAN Forum

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If you caught last week's special episode of the WAN Manager Podcast, you must be waiting on the edge of your seat for the second installment.

To recap, Greg Bryan and Elizabeth Thorne are keeping up their tradition of decking the halls with an end-of-year WAN review. And since 2021 was such a big year, we couldn't fit everything into just one episode.

To make up for the cliffhanger, we've packed part two with enough data and lively conversation to knock your stockings off their mantel. We're talking 5G deployment trends, the rising popularity of multi-cloud, new backbone/transport services from your friendly neighborhood CSP, and more.

From This Episode:

  • Episode 302: 2021 in Review | Part 1
  • Traversing the Internet’s Middle Mile
  • 2021's SD-WAN Revolution
  • Optimizing Hybrid WAN Costs With SD-WAN
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Explore the WAN Market Size Report
  • Discover the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Join the WAN Forum

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In this WAN Manager Podcast holiday special, we're shaking the snow globe that is the 2021 WANscape. Greg welcomes back TeleGeography Analyst Elizabeth Thorne to present another year in review.

To keep the conversation on track, Elizabeth made a list (and checked it twice), but we couldn't fit everything into one episode.

Part 1 covers SASE adoption, SD-WAN maturation, how remote work is changing the face of corporate networking, the evolving MPLS vs. DIA matchup, and more.

We'll be back next week with Part 2, covering 5G deployment trends, the rising popularity of multi-cloud, and the new backbone/transport services that CSPs are starting to provide.

From This Episode:

  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • The Future of Hybrid Work
  • 2021's SD-WAN Revolution
  • What SD-WAN Features Do WAN Professionals Actually Want?
  • Underlay Changes: MPLS vs. DIA Pricing
  • Explore the WAN Market Size Report
  • Discover the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Join the WAN Forum

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While a fifteen-year friendship with Greg is not a prerequisite for guests on the pod, it sure makes for good conversation.

To kick off Season 3 of the WAN Manager Podcast, Greg calls on longtime colleague Rob Schult—who also happens to be a Research Director here at TeleGeography—to draw a connection between the wholesale and enterprise retail markets.

What should IT infrastructure and sourcing teams pay attention to in the wholesale market?

You’ll also hear about IP transit and why the vast majority of enterprises are not buying it (even though the internet is increasingly a primary—or at least secondary—method of site connectivity in the enterprise WAN).

From This Episode

  • Episode 212: Submarine Cables—It’s Not Bitcoin
  • The Geography of WAN Pricing
  • Underlay Changes: MPLS vs. DIA Pricing
  • WAN Pricing Mythbusters
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Explore the WAN Market Size Report
  • Discover the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Join the WAN Forum

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As we dig into technical standards and definitions, MEF has come up several times on this show. It was only a matter of time before we put them in the hot seat.

In our latest conversation, Greg welcomes MEF CTO Pascal Menezes to walk us through the work the MEF is doing on standardizing the enterprise network.

Why is SD-WAN certification a good idea? How is the WAN developing? What is MEF doing in the Zero Trust Security and SASE space? Listen in to find out.

From this Episode:

  • Episode 218: The Very Definition of SD-WAN
  • Episode 202: SFW (Safe for WANs)
  • Episode 101: A Zero Trust State of Mind
  • WAN Managers Consider Zero Trust Security, Face Challenges in Implementation
  • Search SD-WAN Vendor Profiles in Our Free Downloadable Guide
  • More SD-WAN Adoption, More Data on a Changing Marketplace
  • WAN Pricing Mythbusters
  • Wargaming Your WAN
  • Get the WAN Manager Newsletter
  • Join the WAN Forum
  • About the SD-WAN Research Service

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Listeners know that we've covered middle mile and NaaS on this show. And we've touched on the various companies that are emerging around these issues. Today we're getting extra perspective from one of those companies.

Greg welcomes Dave Ward, CEO of PacketFabric, to talk through the bigger picture of how these services are emerging in the enterprise network market.

From This Episode

  • 5G Cloud Core: Slice as a Service Isn’t Just for Pizza
  • Nailing Down Network-as-a-Service
  • For WAN Forum Members: Megaport vs. PacketFabric: Weighing Network Transport Options
  • What is Internet Middle Mile
  • Trends in Cloud Infrastructure and Global Networks
  • SD-WAN Adoption is on the Rise
  • Visit the WAN Forum

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When TeleGeography started tracking the SD-WAN market in 2017, we found dozens of vendors with a service they were calling "SD-WAN."

But are all of these services created equal? What does it take for your solution to qualify as SD-WAN?

Today we pull back and discuss SD-WAN definitions and certification. Greg aims to better understand the exact definition of SD-WAN and how related certification can benefit both end-users and managed service providers. And for that, we're so glad to welcome a true expert on this topic: Marc Cohn, Principal Technology Strategist at Spirent.

From This Episode

  • Four New SD-WAN Findings for 2021
  • Search SD-WAN Vendor Profiles in Our Free Downloadable Guide
  • WAN Manager Podcast 102: The SD-WAN Marketplace of Ideas
  • More SD-WAN Adoption, More Data on a Changing Marketplace
  • WAN Pricing Mythbusters
  • Wargaming Your WAN
  • Get the WAN Manager Newsletter
  • About the SD-WAN Research Service
  • About the WAN Manager Survey

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Are you like the (approximately) half of our survey respondents who have not yet adopted SD-WAN? Or perhaps you're in the midst of deployment and want to know what to look out for. Or maybe you're working out whether or not to keep MPLS?

Today we'll share some perspective on these questions with another case study, this time with Mark Williams, Sr. Manager of Global Networks at BorgWarner.

From This Episode

  • Trends in Cloud Infrastructure and Global Networks
  • Four New SD-WAN Findings for 2021
  • PageGroup Case Study
  • Norsk Hydro Network Case Study
  • H&M Network Case Study
  • Search SD-WAN Vendor Profiles in Our Free Downloadable Guide
  • Five Years of SD-WAN Migration Stories, Five Takeaways
  • About the WAN Geography Benchmark
  • About the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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Today we're living on the edge!

Whether we're talking security and SASE, NaaS, or cloud computing—or many other topics, honestly—edge networks and edge computing are likely to make it into the conversation.

Greg welcomes two experts from Catchpoint to help us dig in: CEO Medhi Daoudi and VP of Operations Tony Ferrelli. Medhi's recent blog post Monitoring at the Edge of the Third Act of the Internet sets the tone for a great conversation, spanning enterprise apps, network monitoring, and the geography of the internet.

From This Episode

  • Trends in Cloud Infrastructure and Global Networks
  • Tour the Data Behind Our Latest Global Internet Map
  • How Data Centers Adapted to Disruption in 2020
  • Putting The Data Center Geography in TeleGeography
  • For WAN Forum Members: Corporate Data Center Geography
  • TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map
  • About the WAN Geography Benchmark
  • About Cloud and WAN Infrastructure
  • About the Data Center Research Service

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It's another case study episode of the WAN Manager Podcast. Today we welcome Ian Calderbank, Enterprise Network Architect at PageGroup, to the hot seat.

In his conversation with Greg, Ian details the network transformation process for a multinational staffing agency.

An environment packed with knowledge workers and downtown office space, it sounds like an enviable position to be in as a WAN manager, no? But there's no shortage of lessons learned as the pair gets into pre-SD-WAN solutions, organizing major network transitions, overlay/underlay troubleshooting, and security strategy.

From This Episode

  • Join Our Live Conversation on Cloud and WAN Geography on June 17, 2021
  • Four New SD-WAN Findings for 2021
  • Norsk Hydro Network Case Study
  • H&M Network Case Study
  • Search SD-WAN Vendor Profiles in Our Free Downloadable Guide
  • Five Years of SD-WAN Migration Stories, Five Takeaways
  • About the WAN Geography Benchmark
  • About the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • Explore the WAN Forum

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In this episode, we dig into sourcing. Our listeners know that we often discuss the migration of large enterprises away from one or two global suppliers for a mostly MPLS network to a novel mix of transport types and suppliers. This is especially true due to changing trends in cloud migration, SD-WAN, and security.

May it be local internet breakouts from a variety of ISPs alongside MPLS or sourcing a backbone between data center nodes, many enterprises have taken on a “telco-like” role in buying connectivity directly.

For more on the state of sourcing, Greg welcomes Steve Rome, Chief Revenue Officer and co-founder of Advantage. The pair wastes no time cutting through the complexity of sourcing the modern WAN.

From This Episode

Join Us June 17 for an Exploration of Cloud and WAN Geography

Everything You Wanted to Know About Sourcing Internet

For WAN Forum Members: Optimizing Hybrid WAN Costs with SD-WAN

WAN Pricing Mythbusters

Wargaming Your WAN

About the WAN Cost Benchmark

Take the 2021 WAN Manager Survey

Download our SD-WAN Vendor Guide

Visit the WAN Forum

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Our data shows that a majority of enterprises have more than one IaaS provider. For SaaS, that number can be dozens, hundreds, even more. And most have moved the majority of their data centers off corporate premises to some kind of shared facility.

This means most companies are dealing with multi-cloud connectivity in some shape or form; WAN managers of course have to handle that from a performance and cost perspective.

Today we hear from a data center insider, diving into network-as-a-service models, multi-cloud connectivity, data center interconnectivity, and the intersection of these topics.

We're joined by Christian Koch, Senior Director of Interconnection at DataBank. You might know him as the co-founder of NYNOG or perhaps you subscribe to his popular weekly internet infrastructure newsletter.

From This Episode

  • Join Us June 17 for an Exploration of Cloud and WAN Geography
  • For WAN Forum Members: All About Corporate Data Center Geography
  • For WAN Forum Members: The Geography of the Cloud
  • What is Internet Middle Mile
  • How Data Centers Adapted to Disruption in 2020
  • 2021 Global Internet Map Tracks Global Capacity, Traffic, and Cloud Infrastructure
  • TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map
  • About the WAN Geography Benchmark
  • About Cloud and WAN Infrastructure
  • About the Data Center Research Service
  • Visit the WAN Forum

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We often say that we'll be taking a "deep dive" into an issue at the beginning of our WAN Manager Podcasts. Today we almost mean that literally, as Greg welcomes TeleGeography Research Director Alan Mauldin to talk about submarine cables.

Whether you're joining us from the vendor side or enterprise side, you might want to know why submarine cables—usually thought of as a wholesale telecom issue—are relevant to the corporate WAN.

From This Episode

  • The Utopian Future of International Networks
  • Submarine Cables to Watch in 2021
  • A Massive Global Bandwidth Pricing Update for 2021
  • Out With the Old Cables, in With the New
  • TeleGeography's Submarine Cable Map
  • How to Connect to the Cloud
  • About the Data Center Research Service
  • About Cloud and WAN Infrastructure
  • Explore the WAN Forum
  • For WAN Forum Members: Corporate Data Center Geography
  • For WAN Forum Members: The Geography of the Cloud

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We're going back to the middle. The middle mile, that is.

Like many telecom terms, this is one that you might have to follow up with “what exactly do you mean by that?”

Greg dives into how one approaches the mysterious middle mile with Ciaran Roche, founder & CTO of Coevolve. What are vendors doing? How does Coevolve advise clients on all things middle mile? How is the middle mile space developing? Listen and learn.

From This Episode

What is Internet Middle Mile?

Episode 203: Stuck in the Middle Mile With You

Watch Our Panel Discussion on Middle Mile

TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map

How to Connect to the Cloud

About the WAN Manager Survey

About our Internet Middle Mile research

About Cloud and WAN Infrastructure

Explore the WAN Forum

For WAN Forum Members: Traversing the Internet’s Middle Mile

For WAN Forum Members: What problem is the middle mile trying to solve?

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The average enterprise network had MPLS running at 82% of sites in 2018. That fell to just 58% in 2020. About one-third have active backups—and a quarter have passive backups—for their MPLS service.

Okay, we have to ask: what is the role of MPLS in the WAN moving forward? Industry expert and independent consultant Keith Langridge joins Greg to discuss the many different ways you can try to answer this question.

Is MPLS dead? Dying? Here to stay? Too complicated to say?

From This Episode

MPLS Holding on in 2021

SD-WAN Adoption is on the Rise

Four New SD-WAN Findings for 2021

More 2020 WAN Manager Survey Results

About the WAN Manager Survey

Take the WAN Manager Survey

About the WAN Cost Benchmark

Explore the WAN Forum

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Greg is joined by Analyst Elizabeth Thorne to dig into TeleGeography's latest WAN Manager Survey data.

From SD-WAN adoption stats to network configuration preferences and MPLS trends, the pair covers a lot of ground. If you want to learn more about the survey, those who take it, how we run it, and what the top-level findings are from our latest batch of data, punch that play button.

And if you like information like this, we hope you'll enjoy the WAN Forum, a new content subscription for those who manage wide area networks and maintain IT infrastructure. There's lots more like this over there.

From This Episode

MPLS Holding on in 2021

SD-WAN Adoption is on the Rise

Four New SD-WAN Findings for 2021

WAN Managers Reflect on COVID-19 Challenges

WAN Wargaming Series

About the WAN Manager Survey

Take the WAN Manager Survey

About the WAN Cost Benchmark

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Our latest episode of the WAN Manager Podcast is all about network monitoring.

Greg is joined by Kentik Co-founder and CEO Avi Freedman; they discuss the history of network monitoring, where it's going, and get a little philosophical in the process.

Most of the enterprises we interview are running dozens or more SaaS applications. And most of our WAN Manager Survey respondents have moved their data centers off-premises—the majority are connecting to multiple IaaS providers. Further, enterprises are increasingly more likely to piece together networks from multiple vendors.

This means we're seeing a more diverse underlay to orchestrate and manage. And a key to the successful management of such includes visibility into and monitoring of the network.

From This Episode

  • About Kentik
  • 2021 WAN Manager Survey Results
  • WAN Managers Reflect on COVID-19 Challenges
  • What is Internet Middle Mile?
  • About TeleGeography's Internet Middle Mile Research
  • About the WAN Manager Survey

This episode is brought to you by the WAN Forum. Want a preview of this new content hub for WAN managers? Email us at info@wanforum.com for a first look.

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Most of our listeners are probably familiar with network interface cards (NICs, if you're savvy). But what about SmartNICs?

Fiserv's Michael Wynston is back with a full explainer on what SmartNICs are and how they differ from your run-of-the-mill network interface card. Greg and Michael look closer at this emerging technology and why WAN managers and those who serve them might want to take note.

From This Episode

The WAN and Working from Home

WAN Managers Weigh Greatest Challenges of Remote Working

About the WAN Geography Benchmark

About the WAN Cost Benchmark

About the WAN Manager Survey

This episode is brought to you by the WAN Forum. Want a preview of this new content hub for WAN managers? Email us at info@wanforum.com for a first look.

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It's a case study episode!

Greg is joined by Johan Ihse, product owner of global connectivity at H&M. As with previous WAN manager interviews, we'll focus on the story behind the network. This includes learning about H&M's network set-up, the transformations they've undertaken, and some goals for where Johan would like to see their network go.

The duo dips into WAN security, the benefits of having a telecom background in the WAN management space, and the makeup of a network that supports retail locations around the globe.

From This Episode

Four New SD-WAN Findings for 2021

WAN Managers Weigh Greatest Challenges of Remote Working

Five Years of SD-WAN Migration Stories, Five Takeaways

About the WAN Geography Benchmark

About the WAN Cost Benchmark

About the WAN Manager Survey

This episode is brought to you by the WAN Forum. Want a preview of this new content hub for WAN managers? Email us at info@wanforum.com for a first look.

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When our new WAN Geography Benchmark got a bit of buzz earlier this year, we thought it'd be cool to invite Principal Analyst Patrick Christian back to the pod to explain how this tool was developed.

It's one of those origin stories where a major customer needed to use several of our databases to run a bespoke analysis of their network. The project sparked a bright idea for how to help other enterprises with their data center decision-making.

In this episode, Greg also asks about the data behind the WAN Geography Benchmark. And Patrick delves into the latest cloud trends from his recent presentation 2021 Trends in Cloud Infrastructure and Global Networks.

From This Episode

Data Center Matchmaking: Finding Your Dream Combo of Connectivity and Cost

How Data Centers Adapted to Disruption in 2020

2021 Global Internet Map Tracks Global Capacity, Traffic, and Cloud Infrastructure

TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map

About the WAN Geography Benchmark

About Cloud and WAN Infrastructure

About the Data Center Research Service

Join Us on March 4 for a Live Discussion on Internet Middle Mile

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Greg sits down with Daniel Remarc Bognár—the Head of Network Architecture at Norsk Hydro. In this episode, you'll go behind the scenes of a network and walk through the main considerations and major challenges that went into designing it.

We'll also ask the all-important question: if you could go back and change anything about your network design, what would it be?

From This Episode

Four New SD-WAN Findings for 2021

Search SD-WAN Vendor Profiles in Our Free Downloadable Guide

Five Years of SD-WAN Migration Stories, Five Takeaways

About the WAN Geography Benchmark

About the WAN Cost Benchmark

Join Our Live Conversation on Middle Mile on Thursday, March 4, 2021

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A new class of network provider has emerged, optimizing connectivity between the office and the cloud. What do they offer? How do they do it? And what’s happening between the core backbone and local access?

TeleGeography Principal Analyst Erik Kreifeldt is in the house and Greg is asking the big questions about internet middle mile. 

Erik has spent much of the last year developing new research tools dedicated to the mysterious "middle mile" and he comes bearing insight on provider types, the role of cloud connectivity, adoption use cases, and even the origins of the "middle mile" term of art.  

From This Episode

Join Our Live Conversation on Middle Mile on Thursday, March 4, 2021

WAN Service and Pricing Trends for 2020

TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map

How to Connect to the Cloud

About the WAN Manager Survey

About Cloud and WAN Infrastructure 

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What do you think of when you think of integrating security into the WAN? WAN Dynamics' Jason Gintert sees a changing connectivity landscape that presents no shortage of challenges to security teams.

If you've got WAN security on your mind—or if you want to hear Greg and Jason exchange pre-quarantine concert stories—listen in on this week's episode.

From This Episode  

WAN Manager Podcast 101: A Zero Trust State of Mind

WAN Managers Consider Zero Trust Security

About the SD-WAN Research Service

About the WAN Manager Survey

Download the free SD-WAN Vendor Guide

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What is open source SD-WAN and how is it different from other "open" platforms we've already seen? This was the right question for flexiWAN CEO Amir Zmora, who wanted to get into the SD-WAN space, but only if he could do something totally different.

Greg sat down with Amir to take a closer look at his open-source model.

From This Episode 

More SD-WAN Adoption, More Data on a Changing Marketplace

SD-WAN Management Costs, Wargamed

The Dollars and Cents of SD-WAN

About the SD-WAN Research Service

About the WAN Manager Survey

Download the free SD-WAN Vendor Guide

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We're back with a bonus holiday episode of the WAN Manager Podcast!

In this special pod, Greg invites TeleGeography Analyst Elizabeth Thorne to look back at the WAN in 2020. (And what a year it was.) She comes armed with a preview of data the team collected throughout 2020 for our annual WAN Manager Survey. And the dynamic duo gets to talking about the biggest COVID-19 challenges reported by WAN managers and how 2020 will impact the WAN moving forward.

From This Episode

WAN Managers Reflect on COVID-19 Challenges, Strategies for Moving to Remote Work

WAN Managers Weigh Greatest Challenges of Remote Working

About the WAN Manager Survey

About the WAN Market Size Report

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In this week's pod, Greg sits down with Principal Analyst Patrick Christian to talk about TeleGeography's latest cloud and WAN infrastructure research. Patrick brings intel on the physical geography and product infrastructure of cloud and multinational corporate network providers.

From This Episode 

WAN Service and Pricing Trends for 2020

TeleGeography's Cloud Infrastructure Map

TeleGeography's Interactive Submarine Cable Map

About Cloud and WAN Infrastructure

About the WAN Manager Survey

Take the WAN Manager Survey (And then take this related, even shorter COVID-19 impact survey)

Register for our webinar on SD-WAN and expense management with the team at Calero MDSL

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Greg is joined by Fiserve's Michael Wynston for a COVID-19 update on the impact of remote work on WAN managers.

From This Episode 

COVID-19 and the Impact of Remote Work on WAN Managers

About the WAN Manager Survey

About the WAN Cost Benchmark

Take the WAN Manager Survey (And then take this related, even shorter COVID-19 impact survey)

Register for our webinar on SD-WAN and expense management with the team at Calero MDSL

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Greg asks an analyst about all things benchmarking. TeleGeography Senior Analyst and Data Science Manager Mike Bisaha steps in to explain best practices in measuring your wide area network against your goals.

So who benchmarks? How does this make life easier for a WAN manager? What has benchmarking taught us about networks? And how have the goals of WAN managers shifted over the last five to ten years?

From This Episode

  • On TEMs: You Can't Benchmark Your Network if You Don't Understand What You're Buying
  • Schrodinger's MPLS and Why Predicting the Future is Hard
  • Five Years of SD-WAN Migration Stories, Five Takeaways
  • WAN Pricing Mythbusters
  • Wargaming Your WAN
  • Get the WAN Manager Newsletter
  • About the WAN Cost Benchmark
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Take the WAN Manager Survey (And then take this related, even shorter COVID-19 impact survey)
  • About Our Sponsor: All About Benchmarking

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Globalinternet Chief Portfolio Officer Mike Lloyd joins Greg to talk about, naturally, sourcing internet.

They zero in on the biggest challenges in internet sourcing and the most efficient solutions Mike has seen when it comes to buying internet from ISPs around the globe.

Adding internet as part of a hybrid MPLS solution? Adding a second line for SD-WAN or local breakouts for SaaS applications? Ditching MPLS altogether? The modern WAN increasingly includes internet alongside or in place of traditional telco services. And these two have seen it all.

From This Episode

  • About Globalinternet
  • Schrodinger's MPLS and Why Predicting the Future is Hard
  • This is How the Average Enterprise is Managing Their Network in 2020
  • WAN Pricing Mythbusters
  • Wargaming Your WAN
  • Get the WAN Manager Newsletter
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Take the WAN Manager Survey (And then take this related, even shorter COVID-19 impact survey)
  • About Our Sponsor: The WAN Manager Digest

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Here at the WAN Manager Podcast, it's time to ask an analyst. That means we've invited an expert from TeleGeography to discuss the data behind wide area networking.

Today, Senior Research Manager Brianna Boudreau sits down with Greg to explore the SD-WAN marketplace. The pair digs into how the vendor landscape and partner ecosystem has developed over the years. 

From This Episode 

  • More SD-WAN Adoption, More Data on a Changing Marketplace
  • WAN Pricing Mythbusters
  • Wargaming Your WAN
  • Get the WAN Manager Newsletter
  • About the SD-WAN Research Service
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Take the WAN Manager Survey (And then take this related, even shorter COVID-19 impact survey)
  • About Our Sponsor: The WAN Manager Digest

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Welcome to the first episode of the WAN Manager Podcast. In this special summer series, TeleGeography's Greg Bryan dives into all things wide area networking. He's bringing data, he's calling network experts, and he's sharing stories from WAN managers around the globe.

Today he's joined by Lionel Marie, Network Innovation Manager at Schneider Electric. The two waste no time getting into zero trust security, adoption, vendor selection, and the impact of COVID-19 on WAN management.

From This Episode

  • WAN Managers Consider Zero Trust Security, Face Challenges in Implementation
  • Wargaming Your WAN
  • About the WAN Manager Survey
  • Take the WAN Manager Survey (And then take this related, even shorter COVID-19 impact survey)
  • Get the WAN Manager Newsletter
  • Google BeyondCorp Research Papers
  • How Google Protects Its Corporate Security Perimeter Without Firewalls
  • What Lionel is Reading: Where Wizards Stay Up Late

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TeleGeography's Greg Bryan has a microphone, a seemingly endless supply of data, and the phone numbers of some prominent WAN experts.

Join him for this special series on the world of wide area networking. You'll hear from managers on the enterprise side, the experts who serve their networking needs, and TeleGeography analysts armed with Excel sheets and survey data.

Coming June 2020.