Laura finds out how Zach did hanging out with her family over the weekend. Zach shares his struggle between choosing a trendy neighborhood or staying in a corporate setting, leading into a conversation about how environments can affect work and client experiences.
They then discuss relational boundaries and the concept of outsourcing emotional needs. Laura explains how people often put too much pressure on their partner to fulfill all their emotional needs, advocating instead for “outsourcing” some emotional support to friends, therapists, or family members—when done with mutual consent. Zach and Laura also reflect on the pressures partners can feel when they are expected to meet specific needs, especially around physical and emotional intimacy.
They share a couple of sneak peek clips of the new, Patreon exclusive series, So I Married a Relationship Expert.
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Zach and Laura discuss the launch of their new book, Reconnect, and how couples can use it to improve their relationship.
They delve into an in-depth discussion on the concept of gaslighting, clarifying that it involves malicious, intentional manipulation—far different from the common emotional invalidation many couples experience.
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Zach is feeling bad that his mustache has garnered very little attention. Laura thinks he should keep it. Zach reports back on his experience with his daughter at the Dave Matthew’s Band show.
They go on to discuss a bit of some conflict they had right before starting to record. It leads to some great insight into managing one’s behavior and reactions even when they are a well-worn habit.
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Laura talks about her new bucket list project, inspired by a client challenge, which leads to a broader conversation about dreaming big and setting personal goals. Zach reflects on a deeply personal experience with his daughter, showcasing the complexities of parent-child relationships and the healing power of patience and open communication. Together, Laura and Zach explore the dynamics of how personal growth and responsiveness to each other’s needs can significantly impact the quality and longevity of relationships. Throughout the episode, they encourage listeners to engage more deeply with their own relationships by taking practical steps and fostering open, honest communication.
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Zach introduces Laura, his “little sister,” and Julie Ruediger, his friend, mentor, and “big sister”. They discuss how they met, what they’ve learned from each other, and the work they are doing together this fall.
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Laura shares her latest journey towards better gut health and the surprising benefits she’s noticed, like increased energy and clarity. Zach talks about some feelings that were brought up when seeing his brother at the recent Lard Butt race.
They then tackle an important listener question: Is it okay to have close friends of the opposite sex (or any potential partner alternative), outside of your marriage? Laura and Zach explore the complexities of friendships in marriage, discussing the importance of trust, communication, and setting boundaries. They share insights on maintaining healthy friendships while ensuring your marriage remains the top priority.
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Laura touches base with Zach about his other projects and his upcoming race.
Zach shares a successful exercise his clients took on to help them disrupt their boring and predictable patterns of conflict.
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Zach and Larua discuss the downside of Nice Guys with the man who literally wrote the book on it. Dr. Robert Glover wrote No More Mr. Nice Guy over 20 years ago after seeing his relationships crumble even though he was so nice. His sage wisdom will help any man (or woman) stuck in the nice cycle.
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Zach woke up 5 minutes before recording this episode. Laura is a bit baffled and shares a story about her best friend giving her a new beverage to help her tummy now that she’s 40.
They make the big announcement of their new book Reconnect: A Marriage Counseling Workbook: Guided Conversations & Exercises for a Long-Lasting Relationship available for pre-sale now. https://amzn.to/3WGgi4G
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Zach and Laura discuss how to deal with feeling overwhelmed. This leads them into a great conversation about how to listen to yourself and control the things that you can control.
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Laura discusses how regular she is (if you know what I mean). Together they contemplate if it is worth not engaging with certain things that bring distress.
Zach and Laura reflect on some of the insights from a recent interview regarding the importance of feeling heard. They provide tools and resources to help couples and individuals meet this essential aspect of their relationship.
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Laura gives an update on her son’s diagnosis and her efforts to raise funds to fight his Not Fun condition. Zach shares about his upcoming book club.
They address a listener’s question about differentiating from your grown kids. They discuss how it is necessary, but sometimes painful. This is a great episode for folks with kids of any age.
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Zach and Laura start the podcast remembering how it all started. They share how they met and how the podcast was launched. Laura is getting back into weightlifting and is hoping Zach will be at the finish line when she finishes her Iron Man.
Zach shares about a recent fight he had with his wife, Rebecca. Although he doesn’t go into the content of the fight, he is very open about how the fight ended and what he learned about himself in the following two days.
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Zach reconnects with Laura after her 2+ week travels in Europe. She shares what she learned while away. Zach recounts his birthday celebration and some gifts he received that are prompting him to slow down.
They go on to discuss the importance of changing the pace, and specifically slowing down, to create space for change in your life and in your relationship.
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Zach and Laura discuss making change, 2 dollar bills, the tooth fairy, and the struggle of using the bathroom in a one-piece outfit.
They go on to discuss the importance of good boundaries.
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Susan Morgan Taylor joins Zach and Laura to discuss her work as a sex therapist. She talks about some of the different types of sex therapies/therapists and shares her leys to pleasure.
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Zach and Laura discuss their latest “streaks”. Not surprisingly, Laura’s is a little more sexy than Zach’s.
Laura asks how to deal with unmet expectations in your relationship. Should you lower your standards? Should they step up to the plate? Is there a middle way?
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Zach’s family is all together for the summer. Laura is getting up to speed with her mountain biking.
They invite listeners to support the podcast by joining Patreon. Come for the perks, stay because you support building stronger relationships.
Laura asks when complaining is too much or too little in a relationship. It leads to some great discussion on emotional bank accounts and some tips and tricks to make complaining work within your relationship.
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Zach and Laura discuss a number of topics including Mother’s Day disappointment, getting to a decision point as a couple, and a special announcement about an upcoming book.
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Zach and Laura tackle the tough questions of relationship. Like, “How do you pack for a multi-city trip?”.
After some discussion of their travels, Laura shares about her passion for sex therapy. Zach finds it very helpful and we think you will too.
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Zach is away on some travels, so Laura gets to welcome back a previous guest, Craig Smith. Craig is a therapist, coach, and all-around good guy. They discuss how working on yourself can be one of the best things you can do for your marriage. Learn more about Craigs work at https://www.greatestdaymindset.com/
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Marriage is hard and Sophia, a 14-year-old from NY, wants some answers to what she has been learning. Zach answers her questions and is able to learn a bit about the life and relationships of “kids today”.
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After a false start recording, Zach and Laura kick off the episode with some intros for new listeners.
They go on to discuss the concept of “being triggered”. Why does it happen? And what can you do about it?
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After some discussion of Ted Lasso and Gray’s Anatomy, Zach and Laura hear from Charisse Cooke https://charissecooke.com/ about her work and new book The Attachment Solution. Charisse shares about the origin of the styles and how they deeply impact our relationships. You will end this episode with some great tools to better understand yourself and your partner.
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Zach wishes his brother a happy birthday. Laura reminisces about old crushes.
Zach presents a concept about seeing greater options in your potential responses to your partner and constantly choosing the response that moves you away from conflict and toward connection and intimacy.
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Laura admits to a potential crime in the most privileged setting possible. Zach drops his wife off for surgery after an argument in the car.
After starting strong they return to your questions. The answers to these questions from individual listeners contain insight that will benefit all relationships.
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Zach and Laura welcome spring by answering a couple of questions listeners have sent in. They share both their clinical perspective as well as their personal experiences in this first in an AMA series.
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Zach and Laura chat with author Matt Fray about his book This is How Your Marriage Ends. Matt’s wisdom was hard-earned after a divorce that forced him to look deeply at the skills and habits he lacked in his marriage.
You will end this episode with insights that will improve your relationship.
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Laura is working to get in the best shape of her life. Zach is celebrating women and recognizing he sometimes gets the Man Flu.
They share some great resources that can support you as you seek to grow your relationship.
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Laura is moving back into her house. Zach recaps his trip to Costa Rica to receive training from Esther Perel and Terry Real.
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Zach and Laura are both seeing ADHD be raised as a topic, if not an issue, in their practices. So they are delighted to get to sit down with Melissa Orlov to learn how to address its impact on a marriage. Melissa is a leading expert on the impacts of ADHD on marriage and relationships, the author of The ADHD Effect on Marriage, and the founder of ADHD & Marriage.
Their discussion is insightful for those in a marriage impacted by ADHD, or anyone interested in this underdiagnosed neurodiverity.
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Zach shares his impressive home improvement skills. Laura is grateful for a listener’s support.
They discuss a recent TikTok trend that may have a greater impact on a relationship than many understand.
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Zach and Laura discuss getting and staying sober with Courtney Anderson. They share some personal stories as well as some tips for navigating sobriety in your relationship. Courtney is the author of Sober Vibes https://www.courtneyrecovered.com/sober-vibes-pre-order and offers a variety of support to women living the sober life. Sponsor: Visit https://factormeals.com/mtr50 with code MTR50 for 50%...
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Zach is getting ready to head to Ireland after 3 years of planning and Laura is off to Tuscany. They talk a bit about the good things that can come from traveling with your partner. They transition to a topic Zach has on his mind: apologizing.
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Laura is feeling a bit of a vulnerability hangover from the last episode. But that doesn’t stop her from opening up about some ways that she is enlivening her sex life. She leads Zach in discussing various resources you can use to grow your sexual intimacy.
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Zach and Laura interview Chris Bruno and Tracy Johson of ReStory about their work taking both individuals and couples into deeper work about how their past stories inform their present and future. Be sure to check out their work at https://www.restory.life/ and snag their free resource Thrive Dates https://www.restory.life/thrive-dates
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Laura is flooded with emotion and wants to figure out how not to bottle her feelings. Zach is also feeling some big feelings. This leads them into a conversation about the importance of connecting with your feeling and increasing your understanding of how to deal with them.
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Laura has a twitchy eye. Zach remembers his favorite movie, but more important, just finished a year-long certification. They discuss a listener’s question about how Zach and Laura got into couples counseling as a profession. It leads to some fun personal stories about their journeys and hopefully provides some insight into the process for anyone looking to pursue...
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Laura thinks she may have broken her ankle, but is maybe more bothered by her unshaven legs. Zach is courting some guests for the podcast in very creative ways. They discuss how so much of life is a made-up story and the power you have to transform your relationship by deciding to make up some...
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Zach and Laura discuss what to do after the argument with Jocelyn and Aaron Freeman. You can read more about the Freeman’s work and their resources at https://www.meetthefreemans.com/
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Laura is still moving out of her house and cutting back on the scope of the remodel. Zach asks how couples can appreciate the relational dynamics that got them to where they are today while releasing those habits to form new practices to serve their current relationship goals better.
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Laura brings in Dr. Kyle N. LaPoint to discuss the role of testosterone in maintaining overall health in both men and women. Dr. LaPoint is a Naturopathic Physician with a practice in Bend Oregon. You can learn more about him and his practice at https://www.lapointwellness.com/
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Laura is all done up for the podcast, which doesn’t translate great in an audio format. She is also purging her house and running 30 miles. Zach, meanwhile, pulled a muscle walking a couple of miles. They go on to discuss the importance of having a shared understanding of house rules for your relationship.
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Zach shares some of what he learned about himself on his recent international trip. Laura continues to process her son’s diagnosis and recounts her own travel stories. Zach asks Laura for advice on handling clients who keep looking to fulfill their own needs without considering the other.
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Zach and Laura sit down with Stan Tatkin to discuss his work with couples and his new book In Each Other’s Care. Dr. Tatkin shares some constructive frameworks for how to think about your relationship. Sponsor: Visit https://cozyearth.com/ and use code MTR for 35% off site wide.
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Laura starts us off with a song that gets Zach talking about his new musical obsession. Laura shares some significant personal news and asks for your help. They transition to a discussion on creating a report card for the aspects of your relationship that you want to improve. This episode is chock full of tips and tricks...
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Zach and Laura are in Germany training military chaplains and misinterpret German words. Laura gives an update on her Iron Man. Zach learns a new German phrase that prompts a conversation about what it is to have a good enough marriage. Sponsor: Visit https://cozyearth.com/ and use code MTR for 35% off site wide.
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Zach and Laura chat with Steph Catudal about enduring death and suffering while finding life and joy on the path. Get Steph’s book Everything All at Once wherever books are sold.
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Zach is STILL sick. Laura is anticipating a very hectic summer and is looking to prepare with some coping skills.
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Zach is feeling really sick and his wife is not being as helpful as he would hope. Laura confesses that she has no patience for her family when they are sick. Zach had one of the best nights of his life.
They discuss how to break out of your well establish Core Negative Image of your partner to get through conflict and build greater intimacy.
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Zach and Laura interview holistic personal transformation guide, River Faire, about alternative ways to find healing and wholeness both personally and in your relationships.
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Zach and Laura catch up after some time away. They consider the importance of being intentional about how you are directing your energy for yourself and your partner.
Laura brings the topic of navigating differences in how couples process their relationship. What do you do when someone needs more time than the other before they can talk about it? They offer some great advice to point you in the right direction.
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Zach and Laura record on the road after a long day of training at Space Force. They discuss validating your partner, stealing friends’ cars, and personalized music. They go on to discuss a question from a listener about navigating the relationship with a mother-in-law.
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Zach and Laura are joined by clinical and forensic psychologist Dr. Shannon Curry to discuss grief. You can find Dr. Curry at https://currypsychology.com/
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Laura has a system for dealing with the boxes from online orders. Zach has set a new all time record for flossing.
If you’ve heard of 75 Hard you are going to love Zach’s idea for 30 Soft. Join the fun by dropping Zach and Laura an email at https://marriagetherapyradio.com/contact-us/
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Laura is frustrated with the continuing snow in her town but crushing her triathlon training. Zach is leveling up his style with some new clothes.
Zach brings up a topic he often wants to communicate directly to his clients, the importance of 5 distinct intentional conversations.
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Laura has a song stuck in her head and is super excited about an upcoming guest. Zach has some questions for Laura offering a glimpse behind the therapist curtain.
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Laura needs to process the damage her puppy did to Zach’s shoes. Zach has been hounding Laura to participate in a March Madness bracket.
Laura brings some concrete steps to getting good at pretty much anything. They discuss how these steps can improve your relationship.
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Zach’s handyman has practically moved into his house. Laura had her, and her friend’s, car stolen. They go on to discuss failed attempts at repairing the relationship.
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Zach and Laura chat with financial advisor Matt Kane about the importance of values, communication, and alignment as a couple navigates their financial lives.
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Zach has been working hard to set a new meditation streak. He and Laura chat about some of the lessons he’s learning in the process. Laura poses a question about whether or not it’s okay to say “no” to your partner. Their answers may surprise you.
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Zach & Laura discuss ways to re-think and re-energize dating your partner. Zach has a date night coming up and Laura gives him some tips. They brainstorm some ideas for dates that don’t require a lot of time or money. Don’t forget about the 7 Principles Workshop March 3-4.
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Laura is a bit under the weather. Zach isn’t so sure about K-Pop. They reflect a bit on valentines day past and present.
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Zach is stretching it out. Laura is feeling REALLY good about her husband. They discuss their upcoming workshop and what it takes for couples to make progress (hint: the tools alone are not enough).
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Zach – 00:03
Everybody, welcome and thank you for listening to this episode of Marriage Therapy video. My name is Zach Brittle. I’m here with Laura Hack. Did you hear the rumor that we are hosting a seven Principles workshop here in about a month, First weekend in March. We would love for you to have us. If you’re wondering, like, what is that thing we’re going to tell you all about it in this episode.
Zach – 00:21
If you already know that you’re interested, go to a marriage therapy Radio.com Registration pages There. We would love to have you. It’s going to be a great time if you don’t know about it, but you might be interested. I have good news for you. This is a very cool conversation. Stick around.
Laura – 00:35
I’m just excited to tell you about all the purging that I’ve enjoyed.
Zach – 00:38
Pretty cool, because this is officially our first episode in February, and we all know.
Laura – 00:43
February is managing in January, which is ironic because I’m wearing orange and orange is the new black gray. I’m pretty sure we’ve said this to each.
Zach – 00:52
Other and years old.
Laura – 00:53
Five years ago.
Zach – 00:55
Yeah, Orange is the New. Black is like ten years old.
Laura – 00:57
I love the way you say orange. Orange. Yeah. Okay, so let me tell you about my prediction.
Zach – 01:03
Let me. Okay. Yes, but you’re purging. Okay. Very quickly to say I am stretching. I got this very cool email from this lady. This is spoke Cas. Her name starts with K. I don’t know if her name is Karen, but.
Laura – 01:16
She’s very.
Zach – 01:17
Sweet and submissive. It is Lisa and Kim. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I’m going to say I’m going to add this very nice email from a lady named Kim who sent me some stretching videos, and I’m going to do it. I am doing it. I’ve started doing it. And but I actually upgraded I got like a subscription to a little stretching service.
Zach – 01:34
So, yeah, we’ll see how that goes. I don’t think it’s my goal for it’s like my official official goal, but it’s somewhere in the neighborhood off of that. So thank you, Kim or Lisa or whatever. Yes. And also tell me what you’re purging.
Laura – 01:46
Okay. Before you just started talking about you just started out talking about stretching, which reminded me of this email that my husband sent me. And I don’t know, like, how can I put it? I love my husband to pieces. I find many ways in which I appreciate him, but he did something that gave me a full on lady boner and I was so excited.
Laura – 02:10
Maybe that I should have said like, Hey, I’m going to say Lady Boner and maybe cover your ears if you just.
Zach – 02:17
Did three like pretty explicit interviews.
Laura – 02:19
People say, no, yeah, do not listen to this in the car.
Zach – 02:23
You want to be Candace Hornbeck’s best friend?
Laura – 02:26
We are already our best friends, actually. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. We’ve been hanging out. She was. She was brilliant. Emily is brilliant. I actually started listening to her new podcast, which is really fun. Sure. Yes. So, okay, I have to tell you. So Husband sent me an email. This is what it was like. Yes. My husband. And it was titled like 2023 Fitness and Life goals or something like that.
Laura – 02:50
So all our romantically.
Zach – 02:52
You’re like, Oh.
Laura – 02:52
I was like, Oh yeah, yeah, it’s getting hot and heavy. And here he’s seeking my love language. So he outlined. He was like, This is how I want to eat, this is how I want to sleep, this is how I want to recover. This is all these things. And literally I yeah, it was like slipping off my chair.
Laura – 03:09
He was really speaking like the good stuff to me. Yeah. Okay.
Zach – 03:13
So then you were like, and you have still a few days because.
Laura – 03:17
It’s not quite February. Yeah, he’s just making some big life changes. He said, Oh, this is the part where you said, I hate hearing you were upset with me, that you were hearing about major life changes.
Zach – 03:27
I do not get upset with you.
Laura – 03:30
You do too.
Zach – 03:32
I don’t think obsess the right word how it is. You sent a text to me and Jason.
Laura – 03:37
Yes.
Zach – 03:37
And it had a major piece of life news. And I was like, I do not like hearing about life news of yours in this way.
Laura – 03:44
Yeah, well, we’ve kind of talked about this before on the podcast. Yeah.
Zach – 03:47
Yeah.
Laura – 03:48
Where has been a little bit where we’ve talked about switching roles and the roles that we would need to switch is that I would become the breadwinner and really have to focus too.
Zach – 03:58
I thought you were talking about you and me. I was like, No, we haven’t talked about this ever.
Laura – 04:02
Oh no.
Zach – 04:03
You’re like, We’ve talked about this, you know, are we just switching roles? And I’m like, Wait, what do we talk about? Okay. You and Ryan. Yes. Have have indeed gone back and forth sometimes about who is going to carry the the lion’s share. Yes. Yes. I remember this.
Laura – 04:15
And I have I mean, this last week, all of these conversations that we’ve been having, all the hot tub conversations, all the long car ride conversations, I feel so aligned with him and I just feel really connected is super interesting. But yeah, we are preparing as a household to swap roles and the goal is to be able to give him the freedom to grow, grow something really special but not have income for potentially a while, which means that I need to work more.
Laura – 04:47
So that’s, that’s what I’m like.
Zach – 04:49
Wait a second. Did I hear you say your hot tub is working again?
Laura – 04:54
Yeah, it’s working. Do you want to come hang out?
Zach – 04:56
Well, yeah. I mean.
Laura – 04:57
Yeah.
Zach – 04:57
But I was so excited about it the last time, and you’re like, it’s.
Laura – 05:00
It’s broken.
Zach – 05:01
It’s not.
Laura – 05:01
Friendly. I probably just told you is broken, so I didn’t have to see you in your swim shorts.
Zach – 05:07
And I got my bellybutton fixed. So now we can. Yeah, now it’s not is that is unseemly.
Laura – 05:15
Oh, okay, we got it.
Zach – 05:18
It’s new people, so. Yeah, well, that’s exciting for you guys. I’m excited. And, yes, I’m going to come visit. I’m going to come visit. What is it looks like in a month because we’re going to do this workshop.
Laura – 05:33
I’m so excited. I have just, you know, COVID threw everything a wrench in everything. But we did live workshops in Seattle, which was a lot of fun because we got to meet our listeners one on one. We had clients that came, which was really fun, like Sabbath. You’re just going to say your first name, right? Well.
Zach – 05:55
Reality is definitely going to send me like a thumbs up or something. You’re going to take us both and be like, Oh, she’s going to feel famous.
Laura – 06:01
Said my name and Kim is over there. Like, my name is not Kim or Karen. Okay, So, yes, the workshop is coming up. I’m super excited. And that’s actually I think what we should talk about today is I’ve had several people kind of reach out, go, What is this thing? Or why would I be interested?
Zach – 06:21
It’d be good for me to because I don’t know if I remember.
Laura – 06:23
You’re a little unclear.
Zach – 06:26
You’re talking to I’m doing this thing and a couple of weeks and. Sorry, guys out there. Listen, this is a big difference between me and Laura. I’m doing this thing in a couple of weeks, and I found out that I was the second person that they wanted to do it, because they asked Laura first and I was like, No, I’m not going to do it.
Zach – 06:42
And I was like, You do it. Why didn’t you do it? She’s like, Because it’s so much work. And I was like, an hour’s worth of work and you’re like, Not for me. It’s like, But I was the kid who did like his third period homework and second period.
Laura – 06:54
And.
Zach – 06:54
Second period homework and first period, you probably were way ahead of the way.
Laura – 06:58
Ahead of the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We talked about that because I was like, I like to have everything like my PowerPoint and then I run through a PowerPoint. You just wing it. So anyhow, anyway, so I visited my brother last week and we both got a good giggle at how the two of us have been aging in the last several years.
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Zach – 08:51
You’re getting people who are asking you and.
Laura – 08:54
They want to know a little bit more about the workshop. So yes, I mean, sure, here’s the cool thing is we really do we, we want to do this for our listeners because it’s been so long, because we have done this in the past, but we haven’t offered it for years. So we’re going to do the Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work workshop.
Laura – 09:13
A little background about that is that I actually co-developed this program. So when I was working at the Gottman Institute. So backing up a little bit more, John Gottman wrote this book. It’s called The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work. It is the the culmination of his 40 years of research in one book, and it’s super popular. It’s been out there for 20 years.
Laura – 09:36
It’s been translated into many, many names.
Zach – 09:38
It’s like, Oh, is it this perpetually top ten? Yeah, top five.
Laura – 09:42
Like it’s up there with marriage books. Yeah, the five love languages and yeah, the Seven Principles comes up. So I was at the institute back in, I want to say like 2011, sitting around a conference table and we just sort of all kind of decided, you know, the really neat is if we took this book that people are reading and we made it into a workshop because sometimes books don’t get read or the idea of this book is actually to do something.
Laura – 10:09
You’re not just supposed to read it by yourself in isolation. You’re actually supposed to do something with the information and and I think it’s special. It’s like.
Zach – 10:18
Isn’t that like a novel? It’s like a like a brand new, like, mind blowing idea. People always ask me about how therapy works or whatever, and I’m like, it doesn’t.
Laura – 10:26
People work. I know. I know the response. Yeah.
Zach – 10:29
So if you listen to a podcast and go to therapy, you can buy a book, but they’re useless if you’re not like putting them into practice. So yeah. So you guys are sitting around here talking about this paperweight that you have in front of you.
Laura – 10:41
Right? Or like you remember when P90X came out and everyone was like, I’m going to buy P90X, I’m going to have like the DVD, the most ripped abs ever. And it just it just except for Ryan, for his.
Zach – 10:53
23 goals.
Laura – 10:54
He’s doing really well. He’s going to Orangetheory every single morning. 5 a.m.. I hear him marching around at 430 in the morning. It’s great. I’m really loving it. Yeah. Okay, so in this paperweight, this book, it’s great. It’s good. And also when you have a partner, one person will read the book and they’ll be so pumped. And now they’re the expert.
Laura – 11:19
I know all the ways to make the relationship better. And so it creates this weird dynamic between people. When you have one person that’s willing to read the book and you just keep pushing the book in front of your partner going, Oh, please, just read this, just read this. So now we’re just going to take all of that away from you and say all you have to do is show up.
Laura – 11:37
Just come to this workshop or you know, your.
Zach – 11:40
Book and it’s on their nightstand and you’re silently seething the whole like every night you go in there and you say, the book hasn’t moved, but.
Laura – 11:48
It’s not like it’s very if you know nothing about like the spine hasn’t been broken. Yeah. My favorite part is when couples were saying, like, we would buy one copy of the book, and then I would start writing in the margins and underlining things and highlighting it. And it was like a really passive aggressive way to be like, you know what?
Laura – 12:05
It says something about your husband not showing up or like not paying attention to you or not, you know, like our star. I think. Yeah. So anyway, I mean, the content is really phenomenal, but it’s the execution that we are more interested in and it’s the execution and doing it a way that I think Zach and I have nailed, which is I think we’re infotainment, we can give you great information, but then we can also make it interesting.
Laura – 12:34
And so what we will do is we’ll spend an evening with you on Friday, depending on where you are in the world. This is a virtual workshop. So, you know, hopefully we’re yeah, it’ll be our evening. And so you just show up and you’re going to be on film. So we’re on camera film. That’s not a word we use very often anymore, but we’ll be able to see you and Tara.
Zach – 12:59
Did you ever did you ever have a camera that had film in it, drive it up to the parking lot of like a K-Mart where there was like a little kiosk and drop it off and then wait like four days to go back and get it. And then. Did you ever do that?
Laura – 13:15
Yeah, that was not beyond me, but not like a Kmart. What were the actual physical store like?
Zach – 13:21
Coffee hut in the middle of like, No, I’m talking about like a little coffee hut that was in the middle of, like the mall parking lot. It was a drive thru. You drew up and you dropped off your film. No, no, that’s. Yeah, that’s the thing. There are, of course, like you go to Walmart, you drop off your one hour photo film canister thing.
Zach – 13:36
But I’m talking about old school like.
Laura – 13:39
Last night.
Zach – 13:40
To get your pictures back and you had like a 24 roll or 36 roll and then.
Laura – 13:43
Yeah.
Zach – 13:44
Yeah. My daughter takes 36 pictures of her face, like in like 5 minutes.
Laura – 13:51
You’re like, do you know that that would have been 1299 back in the day? Yes. To develop. And then you probably would have gotten doubles because there’s that good. You want to share a Fritos?
Zach – 14:00
Free doubles.
Laura – 14:01
Yeah, extra glossy.
Zach – 14:03
I think. You know, I think you’re I think you’re on to something in this way like content is in and of itself useless and that is really important. I think the other thing about that that book, the Seven Principles book is it’s it’s full of amazing contents, but it’s relatively dry read. It’s not it’s not a it’s not an explosive or even all that entertaining read.
Zach – 14:26
It’s got a ton of great information. So it needs this is this is my flip right? It’s it needs a context and is another context. And so I think what you guys created was this opportunity for people to come and take this this book, this text, this content, and turn it into something that looked like, how do I use it, Why does it work?
Zach – 14:44
How does one thing link to another? Why did these patterns, why are these patterns important? You know, the thing that I always talk about in the front part of any of this is there are two kinds of couples in the world. There are couples that stay married and there are couples that don’t.
Laura – 15:01
Okay.
Zach – 15:02
There’s only two categories now. You don’t have to be happily married. But like but John was kind of he got famous for being able to predict divorce. And I put that in air quotes because it’s not exactly exactly what he did. It was more like he was able to correlate divorce behaviors with people who ended up getting divorced.
Zach – 15:20
And and the seven principles are really about what you do in order to preserve and protect yourself from those predictive those predictive things. Right. And so I think, you know, if you read a book, one of the things that you’re saying is it’s really easy to highlight only the things that matter to you, Oh, this is what he’s doing or this is what I need to work on it.
Zach – 15:42
This Yeah, the workshop really does help you kind of link all that together and put some things into practice in a very safe and sort of tertiary way. Meaning like, it’s not for you to come and do all the intense work. It’s for you to come. And it’s like, it’s almost like going to Home Depot and getting like this.
Zach – 16:00
The starter, the basic starter set of seven essential tools that you need to have in your in your shed.
Laura – 16:07
Sure.
Zach – 16:08
And then and then of course, the work is to learn how to use them and learn how to build with them and learn it. I remember I did that when when I first moved to Seattle. I went to Home Depot once a month on a Saturday. We called it Home Depot School. Oh, my gosh, I haven’t thought about this forever.
Zach – 16:22
I sat there and they taught me like how to do drywall, how to do electric, how to just I was literally like for idiots like me to figure out like and I thought I was like, master, like handyman because I could now change an outlet.
Laura – 16:35
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Zach – 16:36
Look out and put it on. I thought I was the coolest.
Laura – 16:39
See, I thought I was awesome because I put out a new thermostat in and there was, like, less advanced. Right. Thank you. I did it all by myself. I was really pumped on that. Anyway.
Zach – 16:50
Now I have a guy whose name is Bernie and his business is called just called Bernie. So if something goes wrong in our house, we just go discover Bernie. Just call. Bernie comes over. We have a list for him, and he just does. I give him a list.
Laura – 17:01
Got to get back. Back on track. Some of us are ADHD and some of us are not today. That’s me pointing at you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I’m just like, I don’t know.
Zach – 17:12
I guess I’m just, like, excited.
Laura – 17:14
I think you are. Okay, hold on. Can I. Can I comment on this? That. Yeah. So you have this. The reason why I get really excited about the workshop is that I have a lot of couples that between our sessions are therapy sessions. They’ve already signed up and committed and said we’re going to work on a relationship. This is a priority.
Laura – 17:34
We’re going to pay Laura and we’re going to see her every other week. Great. Then I say, What happened between the session? Nothing. We always have the best of intention or it’s on our mind, right? Like, I really want to make the relationship a priority. And then I say, Well, what did you do? What did you do between nothing?
Laura – 17:53
And that’s why I really love having a workshop is it’s your time to say, I get that we’re busy. I understand that this is a priority, but unless I commit with time and money, it’s not going to happen. It’s hard to get both my partner and I on the same page focused on the same thing, and that’s literally all that we are doing.
Laura – 18:12
Because you can go and you can read this book on your own, but is it going to happen? Probably not. Or one of you is going to read it, and then it’s going to create a weird dynamic between the two of you because one of you is the expert and leaning into the relationship and the other and the other person is has good intentions but hasn’t read the book.
Laura – 18:29
And now you guys are frustrated. But when you both show up and you commit your time and your energy to the same weekend, that’s when magic happens. And it’s I mean, I joke that it’s infotainment, but the magic is not Zach and I. The magic is not the content in the book. The magic is the experience that you have with your partner.
Laura – 18:50
When you guys start turning toward each other and you have these like revelations or you have these honest conversations, or we bring you through tough conversations that you’re having in a different way and you’re experiencing each other in a different way, or you’re experiencing yourself as being more compassionate or gentle. So anyway, I just listen to it. Yeah, I.
Zach – 19:11
Have a question I like just straight up. Yes, your stuff is fantastic. It’s it’s it’s got a lot of a lot of great content. And I think we deliver it in a way that’s really helpful. I think you’ll have fun. Now, I want to ask you this question. When a couple comes in and you say, Hey, how was your week or how did it go?
Zach – 19:30
And tell me and and they would say this phrase, but like, tell me about your homework, because I hardly ever remember what homework I provide or whatever. Yeah, but when they say we didn’t do it or we didn’t do anything, what do you do next? What’s the next thing you say?
Laura – 19:42
Oh, great. I think I search for. It’s really hard because I. I think I’ve made a lot of mistakes early on where I was probably shaming or disappointed. I mean, not intentionally, but it was like, what? Why? How can I help you find the time to do this? But now.
Zach – 20:04
It comes from like your.
Laura – 20:06
My upbringing.
Zach – 20:07
Like the way you’re wired.
Laura – 20:08
Yeah.
Zach – 20:09
That’s a you sort of not grappling with your own sort of unprocessed style of doing homework or whatever.
Laura – 20:15
Like, I am not gentle on myself for not doing, not getting my to do list done. And so it’s very difficult for me to be gentle on other people. I have expectations for myself.
Zach – 20:25
Are you gentler now on yourself.
Laura – 20:27
100% learning to be way more gentle? Yeah. Yeah.
Zach – 20:31
That’s interesting, because I can imagine that. Not that you would ever say, Well, that sucks. Why didn’t you do your homework like me? But like I can see how if you’re wired as a person who’s high performing and gets their stuff done, and then somebody comes in like, I can see how that would creep into, particularly if you haven’t made peace with that part of it.
Zach – 20:48
So.
Laura – 20:48
Mm hmm.
Zach – 20:49
Okay. That’s a side note. That’s about you in particular. But as a therapist. Yeah. So couples come in and they say, we didn’t do any of what we were supposed to do last week. And then what do you do?
Laura – 21:00
And then I say, that seems to be more of the same. So I like that. That’s kind of a teary real phrase, right? Like doing more of the same. So not doing your homework is more of the same. And I tend to just try and find something that they can feel proud of because momentum, progress, change doesn’t always happen in the doing.
Laura – 21:22
It can oftentimes happen internally. So the question that I like to start with isn’t about homework. It’s tell me something that you’re really pumped about and proud about. My clients that listen to this will go yep, or assess this and I’m always ready like to your horn. What are you excited about how you showed up as the version of you that you want to be like?
Laura – 21:43
What’s the version of you that showed up in the last week that you’re really excited about? And oftentimes it’s a thought process. Oftentimes it’s choosing rose colored glasses rather than looking at your relationship and finding the negatives. It might be pausing and, you know, like maybe allowing defensiveness to wash over you and choosing not to respond defensively, but instead choosing something different.
Laura – 22:06
That’s that’s something that’s exciting. If you didn’t sit down and do your homework of reading this, listening to this, blah, blah, blah, whatever it might be, then that that’s just more of the same. But what is different? That’s what I want to know. Okay. Okay. What are you doing? I’m kind of wondering why you’re asking me this question.
Zach – 22:24
Well, because. Because it happens, right? And I’m interested in it. Okay, Well, and I think you’re doing something different than you used to do. I’m probably doing something different than I used to do. I am I’m on a I’m on a pretty significant philosophical shift in my practice right now. I think, where I sort of take it as a given that I have all the tools like I am Home Depot.
Zach – 22:46
I just like if people come to me and they want help, they that my good, good news. You want tools? Great. I got tools. I’m Home Depot. I literally have every tool take if you say, here’s my problem, I go, That’s on L7, Let’s go over to L7 and I’ll give you the tool and we’ll do it Like I can do that just because of experience and the expertise in the methodology and kind of having a sink.
Zach – 23:08
But then a couple comes back to us, Oh, we didn’t do it. And so now the shift for me is why? Why didn’t you do it? Like, what do you what can we learn about that? Because that actually is, I think, where there’s like real meat.
Laura – 23:23
Okay.
Zach – 23:23
So some people don’t do it because I’m too busy. And I go, okay, let’s talk about busy. Is that a thing we can say? Can we solve for busy? Well, maybe not everybody’s busy right now. I mean, I mean, everybody’s busy. You got kids, you got jobs, you got to sleep, you got to exercise, you know, But there’s something else in the way.
Zach – 23:40
And it and I’m interested in knowing what that is, because until unless and until people grapple with sort of why they don’t do their homework, then I, I don’t know that they ever will, you know.
Laura – 23:52
Okay, So.
Zach – 23:52
Let’s let’s say you’re thinking about doing this workshop, right? And you go, Hey, I’m going to do this workshop. It’s the right thing to do. I’m excited about it. Zach and Laura have made it sound really fun. And then you say, I’m not going to do it. We’re not going to do it. Well, exam And why not, right?
Zach – 24:07
It could be us. That’s fine. It could be that you feel like the the resource is valuable. That’s important. That’s also could be one of the answers. Why don’t we do it? We we thought about it and we decided it. It just wasn’t wasn’t a tool we needed. It wasn’t helpful. Okay, great. Don’t waste your time, you know, but I’m busy or I’m afraid or I’m, you know, we tried before and I don’t trust him not to do it again.
Zach – 24:31
You know, like, all of those things is where the real kind of where the real rubber meets the road.
Laura – 24:37
So here’s what I think about homework or why people don’t do something. And this is coming from an Emily Nagorski quote, which is her first. She said there is one phrase that basically is the groundwork, the bedrock. How about that? The bedrock of my work, its pleasure is the measure. And my assumption as to why people don’t do homework is that they did not assume it was going to be pleasurable, meaning like we lean into things that we enjoy and we lean away and out of things and we don’t do things that are not pleasurable?
Laura – 25:14
Yeah. And so if the homework is, Hey, I’m going to introduce a new way for you to have a conflict conversation in session in a workshop, and then I want for you guys to do it on your own. If they haven’t experienced something different or like I said, you know what was really neat about that conversation is that I showed up differently or my partner, like, paid attention to me or didn’t react the same way that they used to, Then you’re building kind of this new pattern of maybe this could be pleasurable or I felt more connected in that process.
Laura – 25:45
That’s my assumption as to why people don’t do homework is that there is there is an anticipation of pleasure coming from it.
Zach – 25:51
Yeah, that’s that’s fascinating. It certainly can be on a list, I think where I push back a little bit as I’m I’m not making assumptions anymore. I’m I’m going well what let’s learn about that you know and I had one couple just recently her name is Kim or Lisa but she came in and she was we were talking and they were like, we’re not doing the homework.
Zach – 26:10
And I’m like, I’m like, why not? They’re like, It’s too hard.
Laura – 26:14
Okay, We.
Zach – 26:14
Try. We fail. It’s not. Yeah, it’s not. It’s not working. And I was like, Let’s dial it down.
Laura – 26:19
Yeah, I.
Zach – 26:19
Started I moved our way down to things like, please and thank you and good morning and good night. And I contact and, you know, and but they now they’re like, we love it. We love please. And thank you. Good morning and good night. It’s so fun to feel successful. It’s so good, right to feel like like you said, there’s something different.
Zach – 26:40
And I think sometimes we just like we have to go, oh, I’m not ready for our seven yet. You’re you’re still in the checkout lane where the candy is like.
Laura – 26:48
Say this Home Depot is really it was like carrying it all.
Zach – 26:55
To you by.
Laura – 26:56
Holding that. We haven’t done that in a while.
Zach – 26:59
Yeah, well, we had had to because we have kids now.
Laura – 27:01
We have? Yeah. Now we have real sponsors. Yeah.
Zach – 27:05
So I use the Home Depot metaphor actually quite a bit, because the other piece I’ll say is people, people who go into Home Depot and say, I need tools, I need some tools. The very first thing they what are you building, right. What is your project, What are you working on? And when couples don’t know, they come in with kind of these blank slates and this is what the couple and I’m like, Dude, if you’re just coming in here because you think like the gunman method is great, I watch it on YouTube, like, get it for free, Like, read the book.
Zach – 27:38
Don’t, don’t, you know, but if you come but if you but if you because the content is ubiquitous like content is we need a context now that’s going to motivate you to actually pursue the change that you’re looking for. And that might be therapy and it might be a book, it might be a workshop, but that’s the part where I think like couples that don’t know or don’t have help, they need they need more than a sales tool salesman.
Zach – 27:59
They need like an actual, like project manager.
Laura – 28:01
Mm hmm. Okay. I like that. And it also makes me think about the workshop is that we get to that. What are you building piece at the end, which is kind of like the question is, or I guess what we’re leaning into is you’re here because you don’t want to do what you’ve been doing like this anymore. You like you identify with that.
Laura – 28:23
Whatever we have going on, there’s an anticipation because of my whole family, you know, got divorced or this is my fourth marriage or whatever. There’s an anticipation that maybe something might go wrong. So we’re kind of trying to preemptively establish some good habits, whatever that might be. But either way, everybody’s here because they want something to be different.
Laura – 28:44
And then we get to the place where we give you all the tools. Now that you have all the tools now let’s talk about what you’re building that comes at the end of the workshop. That’s the piece where it’s like, Where are you going as a couple? Like, what are your common goals and what are your values that link you together and how are you creating something that’s really meaningful?
Laura – 29:02
We talk about that. It’s just at the end. Yeah. All right. All right.
Zach – 29:07
So that’s exciting. It’s like a it’s like a trailer, like a teaser.
Laura – 29:11
It is a bit of a rather. Yeah. When this episode comes out, do we still have the Earlybird rate or is that past that point?
Zach – 29:18
It’ll be passe at that point, but what one.
Laura – 29:22
Yeah, but that’s okay. It’s still a the.
Zach – 29:24
Information is that marriage therapy Radio.com you can go up there and.
Laura – 29:28
It’s March 2nd and third now third and fourth March 3rd and fourth.
Zach – 29:32
Sorry, it’s Friday and Saturday.
Laura – 29:34
Yeah, Friday and Saturday. So it’s Friday evening Pacific time. It’s like three hour chunk of time and then most of the day on Saturday. So lock your calendar off, register early so that you make sure you get a seat and we can get materials to you early enough. That’s how it.
Zach – 29:52
Is right about now, is it? I think like this episode, maybe a week or so is when you want to register in order to get your materials on time. I don’t know how fast they ship, but yeah, you get your own stuff. You get like the whole box of stuff.
Laura – 30:06
Although it’s virtual, it’s a virtual.
Zach – 30:08
Oh, no. So they just email it to you. So I said, Don’t worry about it. Take your time, register into the night before meeting. Oh, you’re procrastinators like me. You’re like, Yeah, you’re doing your third grade homework and second period.
Laura – 30:22
Bar as well.
Zach – 30:23
I got an email yesterday from a guy who wanted me to explain what happened in the last session because part of his homework was that he was supposed to, like, review this stuff.
Laura – 30:32
Okay?
Zach – 30:32
And their last session was ten days ago, and I’m meeting with them again tomorrow. So, like, he waited like eight days to get the clarity that he needed. This is not ten days.
Laura – 30:43
So whatever BRASLOW don’t shame him like Laura or I would shame him now.
Zach – 30:48
I will not shame him like Laura.
Laura – 30:50
Good. Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much. You could say.
Zach – 30:53
Making me a better therapist.
Laura – 30:54
You’re. I wish I could say the same about. Yeah, I’m just kidding. Know you definitely do. All right, well, let’s lay on this plane and. And marriage therapy. Radio.com will have all the information you need for the seven Principles for Making Marriage Work workshop on March 3rd and fourth. That’s it. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of Marriage Therapy Radio.
Laura – 31:16
The workshop is on March 3rd and fourth. We also have an August workshop and an October workshop. So if you happen to register for the March workshop and for whatever reason something comes up, we can always roll your registration on over to the August one. I think my biggest maybe push to you is to get you and your partner in the same place at the same time fully attuned and just dedicating a chunk of time to your relationship.
Laura – 31:44
This is not magic. Making information. What’s going to be magic Is the two of you focusing on each other for that period of time? And sometimes it just takes a commitment to a workshop to make that happen. You can register on marriage therapy. Radio.com You have any questions? Send me an email info at marriage therapy. Radio.com Thanks for all of your time and attention.
Laura – 32:05
Making your relationship better today than it was yesterday.
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Zach shares the story of his first date with his wife. Laura tells us about the power of a well-placed compliment. They enjoy catching up before they welcome their guest Candice Horbacz. Candice shares insights into love, marriage, sex, and intimacy gleaned from her years as an adult film star.
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Zach and Laura (mostly Laura) have a great conversation with Ashleigh Renard about monogamy, swinging, teamwork, and more. You will get some great insights and tips for how to keep your relationship hot. Be sure to check out Ashleigh at https://ashleighrenard.com/ and on Instagram @ashleighrenard
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Zach and Laura continue their conversation with Emily Nagoski. Emily answers some listener questions and shares some wonderful resources to better connect with your partner.
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Zach and Laura welcome Emily Nagoski to the podcast. Emily shares some of her personal story of building relationships and gives us a sneak peek into her latest book on maintaining sexual intimacy for the long haul.
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Zach and Laura discuss their words for 2023 and some of the things their clients find most helpful in therapy.
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Laura is pitching a new cooking show. Zach is on his way home from Virginia.
In this final episode of the year, they answer some listener questions and look forward to 2023.
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Zach interviews Biblical scholar (and childhood friend) Dr. Jenffifer Bird https://www.jennifergracebird.com/ about the notion of a “Biblical Marriage”.
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Zach is sporting a hat that Laura does NOT love. Laura is putting together a pitch-black dinner. They reflect on their enneagram numbers and Laura is pumped about how she and her husband are using an Amazon Echo to connect and communicate.
They go on to discuss one of Zach’s top 5 therapeutic interventions that have the greatest impact on his clients.
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Zach and Laura have a great conversation with Ian Cron https://www.ianmorgancron.com/ about the impact that deeply knowing yourself and your partner can have on your relationship. Ian is an expert on the Enneagram and offers insight into the use of this tool to improve all of your relationships.
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Zach is flying solo this week. He interviews author A.J. Jacobs, about his recent book The Puzzler https://ajjacobs.com/books/the-puzzler/
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Zach was confused by the lack of football. Laura likes the time change and had a bonkers half-marathon. They discuss hernias for a little too long but eventually transition to a great conversation about spiritual intimacy. They batt around sound ideas for developing this intimacy in your relationship in ways that aren’t necessarily tied to a specific religious...
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Zach and Laura talk about their old girlfriends and old dogs. Zach brings a few acrostics that have been helpful in both his parenting and work with clients. Sponsor: Visit Rocket Money at https://rocketmoney.com/marriagetherapy to find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions
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After a last-minute meditation session, Zach and Laura interview parenting educator/coach Beth Goss. Sponsors:Visit https://Manscaped.com and get 20% off + Free Shipping with code MTR20Visit https://meetfabric.com/mtr to apply for life insurance in 10 minutes.
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Zach lost, but on a positive note, his shower wall is no longer adorned with dental floss. Laura also upped her oral hygiene game. Zach ponders what we do when we don’t have all the information. It leads to a great discussion about empathy and understanding in your relationship.
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Laura gives us some info on water conservation. Zach is anticipating the final week of fantasy football. They provide some significant free air time to a cookie company. Zach brings a sex and intimacy exercise he learned at a conference by Tina Shermer Sellers tinaschermersellers.com.
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Zach returns from Disneyland. Laura is continuing her training. Laura brings the discussion of what to do with the need for connection when you are at the end of your rope. Sponsors: Go to https://greenchef.com/mtr135 and use code mtr135 to get $135 off across five boxes—and your first box ships free! Visit https://meetfabric.com/mtr to apply...
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Zach and Laura bring us in on a conflict they have right before recording this episode. They go on to discuss a concept Zach is playing with regarding exploring the flip side of both the good and bad in the relationship and how it can lead to greater intimacy and connection. Sponsor: Visit https://Manscaped.com and get 20%...
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Zach and Laura start off the episode with a free concert. Laura wants Jack Johnson to come to her son’s class to watch him perform in a bacon costume. They get a lot of feedback on whose oral hygiene habits are grossest. Laura brings an exercise to work through with Zach that requires presenting and listening...
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Zach has an interesting encounter with Kim Kardashian. Laura starts modeling for Gap. They discuss their oral hygiene which oddly leads them into a really great discussion of how to get what you want from your kids and your partner. Sponsor: Visit https://www.dameproducts.com/ and enter code MTR for 15% off products for pleasure, intimacy, and connection.
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Laura needs some alone time after a trip to Hawaii to, potentially illegally, spread ashes. Zach completes a marathon – counseling session. His corn dish was not the hit of the Iron Chef party. They spend some time catching up and sharing what they are learning about themselves and their clients. Sponsors: Go to https://greenchef.com/mtr135...
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Zach is setting up an MTR fantasy football league. Laura continues her triathlon training. They discuss how getting what you want out of the relationship can involve giving as much as you can. Sponsor: Visit https://dameproducts.com and use code MTR for 15% off your order.
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Laura is getting a new puppy. Zach shares all of his orange knowledge. Zach brings the topic of forgiveness. How we think about it, and how we do it.
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Laura got stranded in the middle of a lake. Zach is thirsty for that sweet blue check. They discuss a book that Laura has been reading in a book club and Zach’s wife has been reading for work; Atomic Habits by James Clear. They tease out some key ways habit building can grow your relationship. Sponsors: Visit https://zoxdoc.com/mtr to find...
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Zach and Laura welcome Larry Hagner, founder of The Dad Edge. They discuss how men can support each other to be better husbands, fathers, and leaders. Sponsor: Visit https://www.dameproducts.com/ and enter code MTR for 15% off products for pleasure, intimacy, and connection. Visit https://Manscaped.com and get 20% off + Free Shipping with code MTR20
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Zach and Laura call out some listeners who have responded recently. Laura is headed on ANOTHER vacation and has to coordinate kid care. This leads them to discuss what to do when you and your partner want different things. What is the best way to navigate that difference without turning it into a conflict.
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Zach and Laura welcome Sawn and Andrew from Couple Things Podcast https://www.couplethingspod.com to discuss conflict, repair, sex, and clothes. It is a very fun, free-flowing conversation with a ton of insights for our most important relationships. Sponsor: Visit https://hiyahealth.com/MTR for 50% off your first order of pediatrician-approved superpowered chewable vitamins.
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Zach shares his reaction to a dog jumping on his lap. Laura’s son has a riddle for us all. Zach was a bit troubled totally disconnecting from work while on vacation. They go on to field some listener questions. Sponsors: Go to https://greenchef.com/mtr135 and use code mtr135 to get $135 off across five boxes—and your...
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Zach is headed to the Jersey Shore. Laura is off on yet another vacation and learning to swim. They go on to discuss the keys to good communication. Sponsors: Visit https://hiyahealth.com/MTR for 50% off your first order of pediatrician-approved superpowered chewable vitamins. Visit https://meetfabric.com/mtr to apply for life insurance in 10 minutes.
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Laura is flying solo as Zach is away for the holiday. Laura welcomes Beth Wylie for her second visit to the podcast to discuss the need for men to step up and put in the work in their relationships. Check out Beth’s new course: Love over Logistics Sponsor: Manscaped.com and get 20% off + Free Shipping...
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Zach and Laura spend a couple of minutes talking about me, their producer. They discuss how weird it is when folks they know listen to the podcast. They go on to talk about how to be more connected after conflict by understanding your conflict map. Sponsors: Visit https://www.dameproducts.com/ and enter code MTR for 15% off...
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Zach is feeling a bit out of breath post-workout. Laura apparently has bigger shoulders than expected. She tells the story of when she bought her really hot bike. They reflect on their interview with Terry Real from episode 219 and go on to discuss the importance of small wins in your relationship to set yourselves...
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Zach sits down for an interview with Dustin and Melissa Nickerson to discuss comedy, parenting, and marriage. Be sure to grab Dustin’s latest book, How to Be Married (to Melissa), and catch him on his upcoming tour. Sponsor: Visit hiyahealth.com/MTR for 50% off your first order of pediatrician-approved superpowered chewable vitamins.
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Zach and Laura chat with Terry Real about his life’s work and new book US: Getting Past You and Me to Build a More Loving Relationship. There are many great takeaways that can transform the way you relate with your partner. Sponsor: https://meetfabric.com/mtr to apply for life insurance in 10 minutes.
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Laura is juicing it up and packing up her van for a foreign trip. Zach is getting fired. They discuss the importance of having a shared set of rules and boundaries in your relationship and how those rules have to change as the relationship changes.
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Zach and Laura on the health choices they are making for themselves which leads to a reflection from Zach on how partners can join and encourage one another on a health journey.
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Zach and Laura debrief a recent conflict and how each of them handled it.
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Zach and Laura sit down with psychotherapist and author Jessica Baum. They discuss her journey to becoming a mental health counselor and her new book Anxiously Attached. It’s a valuable discussion for both therapists and anyone in relationships.
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Both Zach and Laura have been diving into some new books. Zach drops a dad joke. They go on to discuss the small breaches of trust that destroy relationships and what you can do about it.
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Zach is flying solo this week. He sits down with Dan & Kay Ockey, Co-Founders of Centsei. They share what it took for them to get on the same financial page early in their marriage and what lead them to develop Centsei. Learn more about Centsei at https://www.centseifinance.com/mtr/ and if you sign up MTR gets a little...
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Laura is upping her mindfulness game. Zach is seeing how different clients draw out different aspects of himself which leads to a great conversation about which roles they each like playing as therapists. Laura fields a listener question regarding sex drives and frequency.
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Laura is not looking forward to meeting and greeting. Zach shows off his auctioneering skills. They go on to discuss some great tactics to get to better conversations in your relationship.
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Laura fell down the stairs and hurt her foot. Zach doesn’t want to talk about Will Smith. Or does he. Laura says “yes” to her husband but then immediately regrets it ,so she asks him for what she wants and needs. It leads to a great conversation about how to partner in what you each...
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Laura is feeling a bit homesick for a place that is no longer her home because she longs to relax into the feeling of being known. Zach recounts, word for word, exactly how he would become best friends with Richard Sherman. They go on to discuss the important and often difficult transition of mid-life...
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Laura finished up some sex school so it hitting the road again. Zach cut off all his hair to look less like the father of his youth. They go on to discuss the importance of finding solutions to the solvable problems in your relationship.
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Zach and Laura sit down with writer, artist, and speaker, Austin Kleon. They discuss the intersection of art and relationship.
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Zach goes on a rant about Instagram that leads to some solid marriage advice. Laura is saying yes to some of her husband’s dreams. They talk about the importance of having intentional conversations about the state of your union.
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Zach and Laura each return from vacations in Mexico with their families. They discuss their different approaches to these vacations and how knowing what you want on the outset helps set the stage for achieving what you desire.
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Zach and Laura interview Kimberly Beam Holmes, CEO of Marriage Helper.
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Laura’s pretty tired. Zach is tired of his daughter.
They open up the mailbag to answer some listener questions.
Zach would love your feedback on these quick 3 questions.
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Zach and Laura have a wonderful conversation with Heather Havrilesky about her new book, Foreverland: On the Divine Tedium of Marriage.
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Zach shows off his singing voice. Laura is relinquishing control as she plans a family getaway.
They go on to discuss a number of ways to reframe your approach and reaction to your partner for greater intimacy.
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Laura is hoping to learn to swim this year. Zach brings back his dad jokes.
Laura brings the topic of Polyvaga Theory as a way to identify how we feel in a moment, giving us another tool to improve the way we relate to our partner.
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Zach and Laura connect with Zach’s first clinical supervisor and his wife, Steve & Lisa Call. They discuss the Call’s unique approach to inviting couples into a reconnected intimacy through the means of their individual stories.
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Zach’s hair is apparently looking good. Laura shows her lack of knowledge of the Marvel Universe. Zach is getting into meditation. They both share some insights they have recently received from clients.
They go on to discuss consent, but probably not in the way you are thinking.
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Laura had a hard Christmas. Zach is leaning into virtual reality. They discuss the fun new games they have been playing lately.
Zach shares how dying repeatedly in his new VR game has taught him some valuable tools for how to engage in conflict and relational failure.
He and Laura then share some New Year practices and values.
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In this final episode of 2021 Laura interviews leading researcher in asexuality Anthony Bogaert, Ph.D.
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Laura is out with a migraine so Zach flies solo to interview his long-time friend Stephen James. Stephen shares some great nuggets of wisdom on both marriage and parenting.
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Both back from separate trips to Disneyland, Laura is getting ready for her 75 Hard challenge. Zach is pacing it with a 45 Medium.
They discuss the transformative power we all possess to reframe our conversations by attributing positive motivations to our partner’s words and actions.
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