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In this conversation, Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss their study of Genesis chapter two, verses four through seven. They started their study from the beginning of Genesis and talked about how it wasn't a Jewish text initially. They also discussed how the Scriptures were the beginning of the story for the Jews before they went into captivity in Babylon. Pastor Bill reads from the Christian Standard Bible, not because he thinks it's perfect, but because no translation could be perfect as it's impossible to know the intentions of someone when they were writing the scriptures. They go through the verses word by word, looking for words that are different and could indicate that something deeper or more is being said. They discuss the creation of the earth and the heavens, the absence of shrubs and plants, and the mist that watered the ground before the creation of man. They then talk about how the Lord God formed the man out of dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, making him a living being. Overall, their discussion focuses on the deeper meanings and insights that can be gained from studying the Scriptures in detail.
The speaker discusses the significance of the phrase these are the records of the heavens and the earth concerning their creation at the time that the Lord God made the earth and heavens in Genesis chapter two, verse four. They explain that while the first part of the phrase is not particularly noteworthy, the second half - which refers to Jehovah and Elohim - is significant as it defines Jehovah as a specific, divine being. This, in turn, gives us an idea of when the text may have been written, as Jehovah is not identified by name until Exodus chapter three. The speaker goes on to mention that this chapter describes the story of Moses and the burning bush, which is where God first refers to himself as Jehovah.
The conversation revolves around the book of Genesis in the Bible, specifically the story of Moses and God's revelation of his name, Jehovah. The discussion touches on the idea that Moses might not have existed but the point is that God shared his name with humanity at a certain time. This is significant as it is the first time that God identified himself by name to mankind. The conversation also touches on the structure of Genesis, which follows a pattern of recording human interactions with God and tracking the genealogies of specific individuals such as Adam, Noah, and Abraham. It is noted that Genesis is not a history book but a religious text useful for teaching, correcting, and building up faith. The discussion concludes by emphasizing the importance of understanding that Genesis is a record of oral histories and human interactions with God, rather than a book of direct descendantship or religious clubs.
In a conversation between two pastors, they discuss the significance of the story of Abraham in the book of Genesis. They note that Abraham was found faithful and God chose to favor his bloodline, which is why his lineage is blessed and why the scriptures still exist. The pastors also point out that before God whispered to Abraham in the desert, the whole world had forgotten the name of God. They emphasize that Genesis chapter two has ties that are connected to future scriptures and that people refer back to these scriptures frequently. Both pastors agree on the importance of understanding the context of the Bible and how it informs our understanding of God's plan for humanity.

Chapters
0:00:00 "Transcript: Season 4, Episode 13 of The Berean Manifesto - Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian"
0:02:58 Weekly Update: Quizzing Competition and Gaming Beta Testing
0:05:26 Discussion and State Event Anecdote
0:10:21 Transcript of a Podcast Episode: Messing with Children for Fun with a Professional Writer
0:14:44 A Casual Conversation with a Pastor.
0:16:50 A Conversation on Favorite Movie Scenes and Coping Strategies for Bad Days
0:19:52 A Casual Conversation on Coping with Bad Days and Humorous Jokes about Jesus
0:22:54 A Discussion on Genesis 2:4-7: Word by Word Analysis with Pastors Bill and Newms Analysis of Genesis and Exodus: The Use of Names for God
0:30:02 Analysis of Genesis: The Naming of God and the Cycle of Genealogies
0:37:51 A Discussion on the Significance of Abraham and Genesis Chapter Two in Biblical History
0:39:13 A Discussion on the Cultural and Linguistic Context of the Word "Jehovah" in the Bible
0:41:01 A Casual Conversation between Pastors on Genesis 25
0:46:28 A Discussion on Genesis 2:6-7: The Creation of Man and the Importance of God's Personal Involvement
0:48:46 Analysis of Genesis 2:7: The Formation of Human Beings from Dust
0:59:18 Discussion on the Concept of God's Breath and the Human Soul
1:00:15 A Discussion on the Spiritual Significance of Breath and the Beginning of Life in Different Faiths
1:09:13 "The Berean Manifesto: A Weekly Podcast on Faith, Hop, and Love for the Modern Christian"

Transcript
0:00:00 Pastor Bill: It's. Hello, and welcome to season four, episode 13 of The Berean Manifesto. Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and I am joined, as always, by Pastor Newms. And Pastor Newms was telling us about some stuff about his day, and we've just kind of been hanging out while the intro music played because we record this live, right? Every Sunday night we record this live at 06:30 p.m. Central Standard Time. And if you're enjoying listening to this podcast not live, then you might enjoy coming and hanging out on Twitch or Facebook or YouTube in the chat. You froze me?
0:00:52 Pastor Newms: Yeah, I forgot if I opened up my little thing to take a screenshot that it would freeze you like this, but not like that.
0:01:03 Pastor Bill: Why are you screenshotting me?
0:01:05 Pastor Newms: I'm not screenshotting you. Okay, screenshoting a bathroom layout. That is kind of like what I'm talking about, but not quite.
0:01:15 Pastor Bill: But see, we were talking about that before we went officially live.
0:01:19 Pastor Newms: Well, I didn't say what it was. I didn't say why.
0:01:22 Pastor Bill: I didn't say why I was sending you a screenshot of a bathroom.
0:01:25 Pastor Newms: Yeah.
0:01:25 Pastor Bill: Going to randomly throw that in there and let listeners wonder.
0:01:28 Pastor Newms: Let them wonder. Let them wonder.
0:01:29 Pastor Bill: So if you wanted to join us live and be a part of the conversation, you can type in the chat. Like just now, we got a chat message from Zaydie, who's one of our regulars on Twitch. She just said hi, but if at any point she wanted to be more part of the conversation with questions or concerns like last week, like last week, then she could. And I would like to invite everyone who's listening to avail yourself of these technological capabilities as well and join us on Sunday nights when we record live. All right, Pastor Newms, how was your week?
0:02:11 Pastor Newms: Strong breath is a good waves. No, my week was pretty good.
0:02:16 Pastor Bill: Your week was strong breath?
0:02:18 Pastor Newms: Yeah, strong breath like a good strong exhale. No, my week was good. Monday through Friday was just busy, but not bad busy. It was just work busy. And then yesterday, the state finals for the Junior Bible Quiz thing that Seraphina has recently gotten involved in.
0:02:58 Pastor Bill: Was there.
0:02:59 Pastor Newms: And so there were people from across Tennessee, mainly from Knoxville, the Nashville area and then, of course, the Memphis area and then someone from outside the state. But their state doesn't have one, so they're part of our state for the finals. And the number one place gets an automatic the number one team for Quizzing gets to go to nationals and then so many other teams get to go to regionals which then they can try to place in nationals. And so it's kind of cool. And so I coached that yesterday, and so that was a lot of up and down the stairs and a lot of around and around, which is fun, but it was good because the girls had fun and both of them beat their daily high scores, which was good, so it was fun. And then that's really all the only memorable thing I did this week. Everything else was pretty much just normal work. I did finish, not finish. I did more of the Diablo four open beta this week. This is the last open beta before launch on 66, and so that was fun and got to play with that some more, so it was good.
0:04:46 Pastor Bill: Cool.
0:04:48 Pastor Newms: How was your week, Pastor Bill?
0:04:50 Pastor Bill: Well, in my neck of the woods, so last week we had been talking about Gerg and his old One Act Play stuff, and I didn't have all the correct information. So Wednesday they had their, what they were what we called bi-district competition.
0:05:07 Pastor Newms: Okay.
0:05:08 Pastor Bill: Which they placed in one of the top three positions. So they do move on, but apparently they move on from by district into area, and then if they succeeded area, then they move on to region, and if they succeed at region, then they move on to state.
0:05:26 Pastor Newms: Okay.
0:05:30 Pastor Bill: But they only had to do good at by district in order to letter to get a letterman's jacket. So he's going to get a letterman jacket now because of how they did him by district, so that's cool.
0:05:44 Pastor Newms: That is kind of cool. Yeah, that is pretty cool.
0:05:50 Pastor Bill: And then, you know that new little bug on my Windscreen.
0:06:01 Pastor Newms: The Mic isn't new.
0:06:03 Pastor Bill: Why are you pointing at it?
0:06:05 Pastor Newms: No.
0:06:05 Pastor Bill: Transcribing software that I had discovered and started using, and it was kind of touch and go. Yeah, it turns out they were in alpha when all that was going on, and they launched the official beta this week, and I was able to get into the beta, so I'm in the beta for that and that's going well. Yeah. So I've been using some of that.
0:06:29 Pastor Newms: This week, putting a bunch of our stuff in there, just no, but I've.
0:06:35 Pastor Bill: Been going through there and pointing out the obvious. Well to me, obvious to me. Places that need work, need fixed features, they could add, things like that. I still only get a certain amount of time, so I want to go that out appropriately and make sure that all our episodes are actually getting time in the transcriber. So I'm trying to save all of my transcription, allotments to make sure that this podcast is actually getting those first.
0:07:10 Pastor Newms: And then right, that makes perfect sense because that's what we want, because it's a great tool.
0:07:17 Pastor Bill: Yeah, it's really good with the summaries and the quotes and the chapter markings and a world class transcription algorithm that just blows other services like Google out of the water, really is just crazy. Amazing how accurate the transcription is now. It's still got some issues here and there, but it's just here and there. It's not like with Google where I would spend hours going through it and going, well, that's not right, and oh, now I've got to listen to this, and it's to figure out what was actually being said, because this is just garbage on the page here. I have no idea what this transcription was trying to say here.
0:08:05 Pastor Newms: But with.
0:08:06 Pastor Bill: This new service, there's none of that. It's just like a word here or.
0:08:08 Pastor Newms: A word there, which really worries me, because when I was doing the transcription and looking at it, I never noticed any of that where whole areas were wrong. Or I would read it, and it would read fine, and then I'd keep moving on, which really worries me because what was I reading?
0:08:33 Pastor Bill: Yeah, what were you reading?
0:08:34 Pastor Newms: What was my Dyslexia filling in the blanks that Google just left out? And I was just like, yeah, it looks great.
0:08:41 Pastor Bill: Yeah, Gertrude typecat looks great. Yeah, perfect sense. Perfect sense. Good job, Google. Okay.
0:08:53 Pastor Newms: But at least it's not as bad as being AI anyway.
0:09:00 Pastor Bill: All right, so it's your week. You pull a card for the faster, so if you want to go ahead and pull your card for it, get there.
0:09:08 Pastor Newms: I forgot about this whole segment, I'll be honest. Mentally blocked it out. I probably just more grumbling as I do it. Okay, here we go. You ready? Okay, side note. So we're at this state event, right? So there's these churches, Assemblies of God churches from all over the state and area, and some churches that aren't necessarily Assemblies of God, but at one point were. So they're using this curriculum, blah, blah, blah, blah.
0:09:42 Pastor Newms: I hear this little girl talking to her coach, who I find out is also her father, and I don't know. No, I don't know. You will have to ask him. I'm sitting there, and I'm like, what is this little girl bothering her dad about? And there's only a couple of hymns in this room to begin with, because we're moving from room to room, and it's group to group. And that team had four girls, and I've got two girls on my team, and two people up there are girls, and there's one dude, me and him.
0:10:21 Pastor Newms: So I don't know what she's about to ask, either him or me, but that's fine. And these are all elementary school kids. It's kindergarten through fifth grade, I think. Anyway, no 6th grade, because then the teen stuff is 7th through high school. 12th. That's the end goal. So then this little girl turns around, and for those of you out there in podcast land who don't know me in real life, I'm bald. I have a beard.
0:11:01 Pastor Newms: I wear graphic tees. Yesterday. Said y'all need Jesus. Thought it was appropriate. And I have black dipped fingernails like the professional dip nails. And I walk with a cane because arthritis. So I'm sitting there, and this little girl looks at me. But I love to mess with people. There is no people group more fun to mess with than children, though, because children are just they'll almost believe anything.
0:11:42 Pastor Newms: They're fun to mess with. Talking gibberish to a child and acting like it's complete normal while they look at you in fear that they've lost their mind. There's fun things you can do in situations like these types of situations. Excuse me, sir. And she's turned around so she's not talking to the guy in the front. I'm like, yeah, what's up, hon? Do you have children? Do you have girls? Do you have children that are girls?
0:12:20 Pastor Newms: What? Do you have little girls? Do I have little honey, I'm sorry, I'm a little confused on what you're asking. Are you asking if I have? Are you asking if I'm a father of girls like children? Yes. I'm like, okay. And part of that is that's fun. Second part of that is, is she asking if I own dolls? Is she asking, like, there's lots of things that that could also mean. Like, I'm like, I'm not sure what she's at. Like, you know, and I was like, yeah.
0:12:56 Pastor Newms: Mind you, Seraphina is sitting there and she's like, yeah, me? I'm like, hey, turn back around. Where are you supposed to be? Paying attention?
0:13:05 Pastor Bill: And.
0:13:08 Pastor Newms: She'S like, oh, okay. And that's the answer. And I'm like, Why, hon? No idea. I'm not doing anything that is, I have no idea what's going on. Well, why are your nails black? And I'm like and in your mind starts racing 1000 directions of things you can say, ways you can say it, what you could say, oh, well, they just turned this color. There's so many places you could go to just have fun. And so I look at her and I say, do you know what punk music is?
0:14:09 Pastor Newms: Are you familiar with the term grunge? What the dad goes, that 80s rock and roll you don't like? She goes, oh, yeah. I was like, well, in that culture and cultures that came after it, singers, fans, those of us, we wear a lot of black we do black nails. It's good. Oh, okay. So it has nothing to do with.
0:14:44 Pastor Bill: The fact that you have daughters? No.
0:14:48 Pastor Newms: She's like, okay. Because there are people men let their children paint their nails or toenails.
0:14:57 Pastor Bill: I have pink toenails right now.
0:14:58 Pastor Newms: I know, that’s why I was saying.
0:14:59 Pastor Bill: Because I have two daughters.
0:15:02 Pastor Newms: It was a funny aspect of and then later I'm sitting there and I'm like, I tell this to Zaydie. And I thought to myself and I said, there was a small part of me that wanted to be like, have you heard of punk? Have you heard of grunge? Are you familiar with Lgbtqia? And just see what happens. But I was like, It's not the time to throw at other churches. And you never know what these children have been. And so I'm like, yeah, exactly.
0:15:44 Pastor Newms: Says black nails just happen when you hang out with bats all the time, they just over time, your nails turn black. But yeah. So I had to share that because I noticed them flash. And I was like, oh, I got to tell you that because it was such a great and the dad's, this big country dude, was wearing the shirt with the pocket and the flaps on the back for the air, even though you know he's not but you know what shirt I'm talking about. If you're from the country, everyone knows what shirt I'm talking about. It allows airflow through the shirt, blah, blah, blah.
0:16:18 Pastor Newms: But yeah. So I'm like, anyway, okay, get to know the pastors. Here we go. I can't answer this question. Pastor Bill, what is your all time favorite scene from a movie?
0:16:39 Pastor Bill: Favorite theme scene? Scene from my all time favorite scene from a movie.
0:16:50 Pastor Newms: All time favorite scene from a movie. What's a part of a movie that you find yourself quoting accidentally? What is that scene that is forever in your mind that you love so much while Pastor Bill is thinking all I will say about two of the first scenes that come to mind, they're both from this movie, so we will not be talking about them. But if you want to, this is the movie right here. All my favorite. This is the favorite.
0:17:31 Pastor Newms: We just passed St. Patrick's Day. They were all over news outlets and stuff because it's a St. Patrick's Day movie right here. All my favorite scenes. Pastor Bill. Go ahead.
0:17:43 Pastor Bill: I have no idea. You love movies.
0:17:46 Pastor Newms: Homie.
0:17:47 Pastor Bill: Yeah, but a scene, a particular scene? No clue?
0:17:53 Pastor Newms: Nothing came to mind?
0:17:54 Pastor Bill: No.
0:17:55 Pastor Newms: Okay, pull another card since neither of us could technically answer it. All right. When you're having a bad day, what is the best thing you can do to help cheer yourself up?
0:18:18 Pastor Bill: Drink a cup of tea and go back to bed.
0:18:20 Pastor Newms: Cup of tea and go back to bed. So if I think about it, Biggs is you can't handle the truth. It's a good scene.
0:18:29 Pastor Bill: You can't handle the truth.
0:18:33 Pastor Newms: My favorite is probably music. If I actually have to recenter myself and focus on my day, I can't just piece out my number one is definitely just go back to bed. Like I will often. Afternoon. Just I'm done. I'm going take a nap. I'll figure it out when I wake up. I do that. But if I have to continue focusing, it's music. It's putting certain music on, depending on what's causing the bad day, will dictate what style of music will help the day be marginally better till I can get to nap time?
0:19:19 Pastor Newms: Yes. The short answer is just nap time. Just go back to bed.
0:19:28 Pastor Bill: Yeah, just go back to bed.
0:19:30 Pastor Newms: There was that old saying, oh, someone must have woke up on bed on the wrong side of the bed today. Blah, blah. And then there would always be that add on. Some people would add they should go back to bed and get back out on the other side. Stuff like that. And you're like, yeah, I agree I should go back to bed, right? Yeah, I agree with you.
0:19:52 Pastor Bill: There's that audio quote from some guru that was going around for a while that says, if the day is Effed F it, just go back to bed. Don't try to fix it. Give up. Try again tomorrow.
0:20:08 Pastor Newms: There is a certain amount of accuracy in that statement of you can't control it, don't let it ruin you. I mean, see, Biggs, I can't do music on all day because of meetings and everything. I can't actually have it fully audible all day. Plus, Me and Sez have very different styles of music. So Me just turning mine on one. But yes, he does that sometimes just for the reaction. He'll do it when I'm in the middle of work, he'll text me and then turn around and just lean back so he could see around my monitors and just look at me, waiting for me to see whatever he sent wherever he sent it.
0:21:28 Pastor Newms: So that way he gets the reaction.
0:21:33 Pastor Bill: But yes, Sez, I mean, Jesus did take naps. Like, he was sleeping in the bottom of the boat, and everybody's like, we're going to die as a horrible storm. And Jesus is down below like, I love sleeping on water beds. This is great.
0:21:55 Pastor Newms: So for those out there, I will read the joke. For those out there who are now going, what is Pastor Bill and Newms talking about? Sez is that why Jesus decided to sleep in a cave for three days? He was having a very bad day. Which I can't say I hate the joke. I really can't. There was a little more work put in than that, but it was a bad day.
0:22:29 Pastor Bill: It was a bad 40 years.
0:22:32 Pastor Newms: It was a bad several years.
0:22:35 Pastor Bill: He was God, and then he became a human being.
0:22:39 Pastor Newms: That's some bad time.
0:22:41 Pastor Bill: That's a bad 40 years right there.
0:22:42 Pastor Newms: He needed a break. All right, what are we even talking about today? I already.
0:22:54 Pastor Bill: So we started this year, this season at the beginning of Genesis. And we went through Genesis One and we talked about Genesis One. Then we went through some in John One, and we talked about how Genesis One isn't a Jewish text per se. It was borrowed from another culture, who, let's be honest, borrowed it from another culture, who borrowed it from another it's one of these things where it was this is common knowledge, and now we're going to include it with what the descendants of Jacob believed. So now we've gotten up to Genesis, chapter two, verse four, which technically was the beginning of the Scriptures for the sins of Jacob, the Jews, the Jewish people before they went into captivity in Babylon, right? This was the beginning of the story. And we're going to do verses four through seven, I believe. I'm going to open my Bible.
0:24:14 Pastor Newms: And.
0:24:15 Pastor Bill: I am going to read from the Christian Standard Bible. Not because I think it's perfect. I don't think any translation is I don't think any translation could be, honestly, because it's impossible to know what the intentions of someone were when they were writing the scriptures that they were writing. And also that would negate the need for faith, and faith is a pretty important thing. Okay, verses four through seven. These are the records of the heavens and the earth concerning their creation. At the time that Lord God made the earth and the heavens, no shrub of the field had yet grown on the land, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted. But the Lord God had not made it rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground but mist would come up from the earth and water all the ground. Then the Lord God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. All right, that's Genesis chapter two, verses four through seven. So when we go back through these and we're looking at these word by word, like we've been doing, and we're looking the main thing that we're doing when we're looking word for word is we're looking for words that are different, that are a clue to the fact that there's something more being said there or there's something deeper being said. There's more message there than just the poetic phraseology, the Phrasing that we see at face value, right? And so we get this thing where we read, these are the records of the heavens and the earth concerning their creation at the time that the Lord God made the earth and heavens. These first words, these are the records of the heavens and the earth. There's nothing special there. There's nothing great and hidden there. When the first thing of note that happens in Genesis chapter two, verse four is when we get to that second half of the phrase and we say at the time that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. And here we see the words Jehovah and Elohim. Elohim is still that plural God that we've been using before, but now we've given it a prefixed word that defines the word down into we're not actually talking about the plural gods anymore. Now we're talking about a specific being who is a divine being, right? So we're defining that YEHOVAH is an Elohim. He is this Godly personage. He is this divine personage. And the reason this is actually of note is because it tells us when this was written, or at least it lets us know how early it could have been written. Okay, well, how does that happen? Okay, so God doesn't identify himself with the name Jehovah until Exodus, chapter three. So if you want to turn over to Exodus chapter three, we'll see the first time that God calls himself Jehovah is in verse 14, exodus, chapter three, verse 14. God replies to Moses. This is the burning bush, right? So Moses is walking by looking for a lost sheep in his herd, and he notices that there's a bush on fire, but it's not actually being consumed by the fire. And he goes, that's kind of weird. I'm going to go check that out. So, you know, that phenomena where you're driving by a wreck and everybody's turning to look at the wreck and it's causing traffic. That's what Moses did. I'm going to go check that out. It's none of my business, but I'm going to check it down anyway. And so God is in the bush and he's having a conversation with God. And God says, you need to go tell Pharaoh this is the let my people go speech. And Moses says, well, who do I say is sending me? Yo, wrong script. I'm in exodus 314.
0:30:02 Pastor Newms: Did I.
0:30:04 Pastor Bill: Give her no, it's the right scripture. God replied to Moses, I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites. I am has sent me to you. So in the first place, he says, I am who I am. And this is actually three words that then become the conjunction for the words I am Jehovah. This is the first time that God actually says, my name is call me this. And we know this is the first time because if we turn forward to Exodus six, chapter I'm sorry, exodus, chapter six, verse three, right? And if we start in verse two, it says, then God spoke to Moses, telling him, I am the Lord. I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but I was not known to them by my name, the Lord. And therein the Lord. It says Jehovah in the original language there. It's actually the word jehovah. So God appeared to Abraham. God appeared to Isaac. God appeared to Jacob. God had very intimate conversations with these people. God appeared to Methuselah and Enoch. And God appeared to Noah. Well, I didn't appear to Noah, but talked to Noah through an intermediary, an archangel, but never identified himself by name until he got to Moses. Now, a lot of scholars believe that Moses didn't exist and that the character of Moses is actually an amalgamation of stories from different people over different times. And that's not the point. The point is that God shared his name with humanity at a certain time. And at that time is when they wrote down or after that time is when they wrote down the Genesis account. This. Genesis Chapter Two, right? And so when we get to verse four and we see the word Jehovah, a word that isn't given to mankind for another not 4000, 3000 years.
0:32:58 Pastor Newms: Because.
0:32:58 Pastor Bill: It'S 2000 years from here to 2400 years from here to the flood, and then another 2000 years from there to David. But we're not quite to David yet. So, yeah, it's about 3000 years after creation.
0:33:12 Pastor Newms: 2500.
0:33:15 Pastor Bill: Ish ish somewhere in there.
0:33:18 Pastor Newms: Yeah.
0:33:20 Pastor Bill: So, obviously, it's written after that time because that's where we got that word. That's when that word was given to mankind by God. And so, once again, this is not God saying, this is what happened, right? This is mankind writing down thousands of years later what the oral stories are that they've been passing down and what it is that they believe happened. This is not God telling the story. This is mankind telling our understanding of the story right? Now. Do we believe that all scriptures, god breathed and useful for this and that? And I'm not going to quote the actual scripture from the New Testament, but yes, we believe that God inspired, god breathed, but also at the same time, we're not actually creating a history book here. We're creating a religious text that is useful for teaching, correcting, building up faith, all of those things, not a history textbook. All right, so there is this cycle that happens in Genesis where it says, these are the records, or these are the genealogies of blah. And then it'll fall that cycle again, and it'll do it for Adam, and then it does it for Noah and his sons. Then it does it for Abraham, and it's a cycle over and over again. It's this pattern that they're following. That where they're making a point of showing a line where we've tracked through the oral histories all of the encounters that we know of from God. Now, Moses isn't claiming direct descendantship from Adam as some kind of, look at me, I'm in some kind of special religious club. He's not claiming descendantship from Abraham to be in some kind of club. What Genesis is doing is genesis is recording human interactions with God, whether or not those are following the same bloodline. But it just so happens that Abraham was found faithful and that God chose to favor his bloodline. And that is why we still have these scriptures, is because the line of Abraham is blessed, because Abraham was faithful. If it had been someone else that had heard the whispering of God's voice in the desert and had listened, it would be some other people, would have been the favored people of the Lord. But in that story of Abraham, the whole world had forgotten the name of God. They had all forgotten who God said he was. In the beginning, nobody knew what the name of God was anymore. God hadn't actually told people what his name was yet as far as Moses was concerned. And so God comes whispering to Abraham, and Abraham believed that the voice was God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Sorry. Excuse me. All right, so that was Genesis 24. And I know I'm building a lot of future look into this. The thing is, we couldn't do that in chapter one because they weren't connected to anything. They literally weren't connected to the rest. But chapter two numes. You're on mute. I can see you agreeing, shaking your head and stuff, but you're on mute so nobody can hear you.
0:37:51 Pastor Newms: I wasn't saying I'm just nodding sorry.
0:37:53 Pastor Bill: Okay.
0:37:54 Pastor Newms: Yeah, I hadn't actually said anything. I actually checked when you said it. I was like, am I? And I look in my bouncing because I'm a nasal breather.
0:38:04 Pastor Bill: Anyway, so Genesis chapter two, though, has all these ties that are connected. And as we progress further, we're going to see in the future people referring back to these scriptures over and over and over. And so we don't want to ignore what other people built onto this. But we couldn't do that with Genesis one because it wasn't actually tied to the rest of the story. It was separate and was adopted. Right. And so there are times in the future we'll say, well, in the beginning, blah, blah, blah, but it's different. It's different because this is actually written within the culture that's then referencing it later. And so it's all this web that we're looking at. And so we're trying to approach it from a learning standpoint. That's why there's more pulling in of future events that is going on now, because they're actually connected.
0:39:13 Pastor Newms: Yeah. And that's exactly how it really is. When you look at stuff like that, it's interesting where the name Jehovah as it is truly comes from and how the etymology of it that at what point in time we added a J, at what point in time, all those types of things to the translations as well. It's interesting to see those aspects.
0:39:44 Pastor Bill: Yeah. The word Jehovah that we then call Jehovah.
0:39:48 Pastor Newms: Yeah.
0:39:49 Pastor Bill: And even that word itself, can we talk about that word for a minute?
0:39:52 Pastor Newms: Which word?
0:39:54 Pastor Bill: Jehovah.
0:39:56 Pastor Newms: Which word?
0:39:57 Pastor Bill: It means oh, I'm sorry, H3068. It means the self existent or eternal. Moses says, who should I tell them is sending me? And God says, the God that exists because I want to. I self exist. I exist because I want to.
0:40:26 Pastor Newms: Yeah. When we jump to Exodus 314, when you're talking about, wait, I just did what Biggs did earlier, where I stayed in Genesis and turned to 314, as opposed to so obviously you were like, oh, what? Obviously it is genetic. And I had the exact same moment he did earlier, where I was like, that verse doesn't have that in it. And I went, oh, yeah. Hey, look. Like father, like son. Look at that. Look how that happens when you look at that.
0:41:01 Pastor Newms: I am that I am even in it. It's to exist. That is to be to come to pass. That is that which what also where.
0:41:21 Pastor Bill: Is.
0:41:24 Pastor Newms: Because I is it's such an interesting aspect that what was the first.
0:41:38 Pastor Bill: Thing in all of creation, god going, I want to I want to exist.
0:41:46 Pastor Newms: Okay, so I'm going to say something and this is definitely also they did numsian aspects. This is not Berean ecclesiaste. This is. Just news. There is no way in any universe ever. And I'm sure I'm wrong, so I'm fully aware that I am wrong in what I am saying that God said I Aunt Two, as you just said.
0:42:20 Pastor Bill: Just like you thought I was mispronouncing doggone if before we get to heaven, Jesus, God's like, welcome home, folks.
0:42:34 Pastor Newms: Actually a redneck to be very upset with myself for saying this, but there.
0:42:43 Pastor Bill: Is no way we're all going to get our Glorified buys. We're all going to be just fat butter balls running around.
0:42:52 Pastor Newms: Where I'm going with my thought process. I'm like, I'm going to be mad at myself if I'm wrong. But no, there's no heavenly language that sounds like that.
0:43:12 Pastor Bill: But he will sing the people who talks like that in their life, and that makes them comfortable. And to the person sitting next to them who was royalty and was very well put together, god will sound majestic.
0:43:24 Pastor Newms: And royalty bib overall, I swear, that's going to mess me up. That's going to mess me up something great. What's really going to be funny is if he shows up, however they show up with just despite me at this point, just once, just once, right when I come over the gate. Hey, I'm joking.
0:43:51 Pastor Bill: Are you always the one saying I had a sense of humor?
0:43:54 Pastor Newms: I'm joking. I really am. I promise. Here it is. And then I will be in overalls, as Big said, be just stuck in it. Okay.
0:44:09 Pastor Bill: All right. Genesis 25. No show up on the field had yet grown on the land, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted for the Lord god had not made it rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground. So we've got this very human centric point of view going on where the author is trying to make it clear, very clear where we are in the story, right? God created the heavens and the earth, and this is an account of everything that happened. But where we are in the account, there's no shrubs, there's nothing growing, there's no plants, there's no mankind even. There's no rain. Mist is just coming up out of the ground. I find it interesting that they thought about the mist, though. They're like, yeah, the mist, the mist came up out of the just like it does now. When we get dew, we get the morning dew. There was morning dew. Yeah, that's all there was, though.
0:45:14 Pastor Newms: There was dew and fog.
0:45:16 Pastor Bill: Yeah, there was just dew and fog.
0:45:22 Pastor Newms: I will say, and I'm sorry for all of Podcast Land, because it's my fault. Since we had the joke, all of your country has come out and you've leaned into it more accidentally because I made you fake it, and now you've made it. Just throwing that out there, that was one of the most Twingy readings of five I have ever heard in my entire existence. That you fight so hard to not come across as that across the podcast. And I just threw a wrench at 50 minutes in tonight of just here is Decatur Bill, as opposed to Bill.
0:46:05 Pastor Bill: Let me hit reset on my there's.
0:46:08 Pastor Newms: Your regular podcast voice.
0:46:12 Pastor Bill: Take out the hit. Okay, so that brings us to Genesis Two Seven, because all of Two Six was all about the mist, right? All of Two Six was about but there was mist.
0:46:28 Pastor Newms: The whole face of the ground.
0:46:31 Pastor Bill: I also find that everywhere it missed. It everywhere. There was nowhere that it didn't miss, basically.
0:46:36 Pastor Newms: And that's part of that whole at this point in the creation story, there is no desert.
0:46:45 Pastor Bill: Maybe I think it's basically all desert, but with misty. Right?
0:46:50 Pastor Newms: That's what I'm saying. It's not like nothing is dried out, but nothing is like vegetative as the mist comes and there's not as much of everything.
0:47:13 Pastor Bill: Okay, then we get to Genesis, chapter two, verse seven. Then the Lord God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. That is the most toned down way to say such an amazing thing ever, right? Okay. So the Lord God jehovah elohim the self existent god personally. Right. So we have this formed, but then it's got the 8th attached to it, h 853, the 8th that we talked about before, where it denotes that it wasn't just a divine command. It was God got down in the dirt and personally did the forming. He didn't outsource this to someone else.
0:48:21 Pastor Newms: I will say my favorite parts. First off, I find it funny Big said wet sand, which really works with the analogy that's given, which is a potter. But I love the words it says to compare to is to mold into form. But before that, it's squeezing it into shape.
0:48:46 Pastor Bill: And I love the squeezing into shape.
0:48:51 Pastor Newms: It's not the drop it on the thing and make a pot.
0:48:55 Pastor Bill: It's the.
0:48:59 Pastor Newms: Squeezing and going, okay. No, okay. You know, I just it's such a good word that is just form, which is a very boring word for what that word, actually, that word means English sucks. Anyway.
0:49:27 Pastor Bill: Okay, so it says the Lord God formed the man. Right. But it doesn't actually say formed the man. It says personally molded human being. It doesn't identify human being as male, yet it says it created the human being. It doesn't say it created the man, Adam. It created human. It it's out of and there's this word that then it uses that it hasn't used yet that if you're looking at in the original language and you're going along and you're like, okay, cool. Okay, we're building up. We're getting momentum. And then you hit this roadblock where you hit this word, AW far. Now, AW dom is human being from ruddy, from blood in the cheeks. And that's fine. That's H 120. That kind of works. We've heard that before. That fits with what we're looking at. Even the word for soil or country, earth, ground is 127. And then we get to off far and it's like, it's kind of this stumble. It's the word dust as powdered or gray, hence clay, earth, mud, ashes, dust, earth, ground, mortar, powder, and my favorite rubbish. So remember now remember these are disconnected, but remember in Genesis one, they said the earth was formless and void. And it uses this word that is a euphemism for cesspool, for just disgusting, just mix of all this primordial ooze. This is basically this chapter's equivalent of saying god didn't use the good stuff. God didn't go to the top of the mountain and get the holy dirt. God went down and he got the bad stuff. He got the worthless stuff. He got the stuff that shouldn't have been elevated into humanity and chose that medium. He chose to elevate what was the lowest of the available building blocks. And it's this weird speed bump when you're going through it. And it still doesn't make any sense to me why? Except there is some kind of beautiful, poetic, I don't know, contrast there that the whole universe, the heavens and the earth and their stars. And he's called up the ground and he's commanded all this stuff to happen. And then he chooses the rubbish, the mortar, the powder, the ash and mud, the clay, the gray powdered dust, the wet sand, the bad wet sand, even.
0:53:21 Pastor Newms: Yeah. And one thing I find interesting is when you look at that word, 860, 83 and in strongs, it says it comes from this word which is only used the other word is only used once in the KgV overall. But it's either meaning either to be gray or perhaps rather to pulverize. And you're like to be dust, to be cast into dust. It's not a nice because I was like, why is it just bad dust? Okay? It's gray dust, like not even like the good dust that blows through it's.
0:54:18 Pastor Bill: Like when you were talking about it, it wasn't that they put it on a potter's wheel and turned it and made it no, this is the stuff that the potter has on his hands. When he's done that, he then goes like this and claps his hands and a cloud of dust comes off of his hands. That is the unusable stuff. That's the stuff that we're made out of the stuff that any reasonable potter would go, there's no value there. I can't use that for anything. That's just the rubbish. That's just the leftovers of creation. I made all this beautiful stuff. And this is the refuse pile. I'm going to use that to make my prized possession. Okay? And then the beautiful part comes where okay, so he's formed and molded this human being, not male human being, not female human being, but human being. And he breathes life into it. But it's not just breathing life into it. It is Nesh AMA. It's H5397 the breath of life. And this word is a puff that is wind, angry or vital breath. Divine inspiration, intellect. Intellect for human or animal, it is a blast of breath. It is the soul, it is the spirit. All of these words. There is this idea that comes from the word life here I think sorry, I've got a poll in the middle of my screen and it's making it hard to read some of the stuff in esore.
0:56:30 Pastor Newms: Turn that sound off.
0:56:33 Pastor Bill: Okay. I can't remember where it comes from but there's this idea that God took a chunk that this breath is a chunk that God took of himself and shoved it into man. Right? That the whole breathing poetic euphemism is just that just a poetic idea trying to describe God taking a chunk of his own divine self and putting it into mankind. And I wish I'd written more notes on that because I've looked at it in the past and tracked down where that idea comes from. But for some reason I didn't actually include it in my notes for bringing that to you guys. It's an idea that's rejected by a lot of theologians because theologians deal more in the gnostic, more in the scientific. Well, we can see it talked about more and more and less in the mystical and less in faith necessarily. But there's a lot of mystical stuff going on here and so it's not a big jump to read this and agree with the idea that this divine inspiration, the intellect, that this soul, the spirit is actually a piece of God. One of my commentaries, though believe it was keel and Delich called that belief as tantamount to what's the word my mind just went blank. Heresy. Heresy. Tantamount to heresy to say that the human soul, the human spirit is a piece of God. I don't know though. I'm kind of inclined to agree that we're born with a piece of God in us and we move forward in life and it's our duty to find faith in order to go back to spend eternity with God.
0:59:18 Pastor Newms: So I think part of it is that breathed into. So I find it interesting sometimes when we look at people's thought processes around it but when it's like the swab test with saliva when you breathe out there's bits of you in what you're breathing out. And so to me it's kind of like that. Like there is that aspect of because I think some people take the.
1:00:15 Pastor Bill: Where.
1:00:16 Pastor Newms: God took a piece of himself and put it they're like, oh, well, that means you think that you're part God. And it's like, no, there's difference between having a piece of something and being something. And I think that's where some people have a real big hiccup with that thought process is just because words are hard.
1:00:45 Pastor Bill: But words are hard.
1:00:47 Pastor Newms: It's that aspect of often the you know, if you breathe on something, you got spit in your breath all the time. I know I'm equating this to the physical, but there is that aspect. And so with that, well, that's basically.
1:01:11 Pastor Bill: All of what Genesis is doing, right? Trying to everything to physical way we can understand.
1:01:17 Pastor Newms: And so when we look at that breathing, when you breathe into someone, stuff moves between it's one of those aspects. And so I think that's where and I don't remember we've talked about it before, so I tried to find it quickly if I could in past notes and things, but I couldn't. But it definitely is a belief that I think some people struggle with. But to me it's that piece of connection also. It's the part that allows us to connect as we are. Three parts that breathed in part is the part that allows us to connect to God as being created by Him. So that's what I wanted to say about that.
1:02:31 Pastor Bill: Yeah. Let me look up something right quick that just dawned on me. I don't want to say it and then it'd be a bunny trail, wild goose chase. Right. So Psalms 42. And if we start at verse five why my soul are you so dejected? Why are you in such turmoil? Put your hope in God, for I will still praise Him, my Savior and my God. I am deeply depressed. Therefore I remember you from the land of Jordan and the peaks of Herman, from Mount Mizar. Deep calls to deep in the roar of your waterfalls all your breakers and your billows have swept over me. The Lord will send his faithful love by day his song will be with me in the night a prayer to the God of my life. So that's the verse that I've heard preached where it's talking about the deep within David, his soul, his spirit. He's comparing that to God as being the same type of being the other Deep. Deep cries out to deep on twitch says the other Abrahamic. Faith still equate the first breath a baby takes as a soul entering the body. My Islamic friend D, when we had talked about this, he talked about the heartbeat after ten weeks was when his faith taught him that was when the baby had a soul. And so I don't know if that was just his particular sect of Islam, but yeah, his group very much believed that the baby had a soul before it took its first breath outside of the body. But yeah, the Jewish faith for a very long time, not so much anymore, because Jewish faith is more secular now than it was before. But the Jewish faith itself believed for a very long time that the first breath a baby takes is when it becomes a living being. Which is why you find scriptures that talk about if you're getting into a fight and you accidentally hit a pregnant woman and the baby dies, then you just owe reparations to the family. It's not considered murder. It's just considered you offer them reparation is because they believed that it wasn't a living spiritual being until it took its first breath. Now, we believe a lot of what modern Christianity believes about when a baby becomes a living being is based off of scriptures that talk about God forming the baby in the womb and God knowing you before you're born. All of these things lead to the belief that, well, that baby is a living being that has a relationship with God and there is a deep crying out as deep already from within the womb. And so it's an issue that everyone has to deal with on their own, between them and God. Not saying that in a judgment way. I'm saying that in a literal, I trust you to work out between you and God what you believe on that issue and how you're going to handle yourself and your life, and you will, no matter what, always find love and acceptance from this guy. I wish there were better resources in this country, in this world to prevent unwanted pregnancies, to prevent rape and incest, to prevent hungry children, to prevent women getting pregnant when they didn't want to, when they weren't ready. And we don't live in that world. We just don't. And I can't, at the one hand, say one thing and then the other hand condemn someone who's a victim of the systemic world that we live in that found themselves in a bad situation either. So, anyway, I totally didn't intend to talk about those type of topics tonight, but we kind of touched on that a little bit there. All right. The Berean Manifesto is a weekly podcast that comes out on Wednesday nights at 07:00 p.m. Central Standard Time. If you found this talk helpful or you've enjoyed it, or you think it might be helpful to someone else, you can, like, share, follow, send this episode to someone else. You can go to our website, ekk house, and on there you can find out which Facebook, which Twitch, and which YouTube that. You can come and join us live on Sunday evenings at 06:30 P.m. Central Standard Time when we're recording the podcast. And as you've heard tonight through the chat there, you can actually be a part of the conversation and bring up things that you know about, like says did about Abrahamic faiths or like Biggs did about wet sand earlier, and just be a part of the conversation. It deepens the conversation. It brings more meaning to what we're doing, and it really.
1:09:13 Pastor Newms: Is.
1:09:15 Pastor Bill: The vision of what we want this to be is more interactive and less preachy and more exchanging. All right, that's all I have for tonight and Pest News. Did you have any final thoughts you wanted to tag on here at the end before we no, not really. Okay.
1:09:37 Pastor Newms: I think the important ones we talked about. Yeah.
1:09:45 Pastor Bill: Okay. All right. We love you guys, and we hope you have a great week.
1:09:49 Pastor Newms: Be safe out there.
1:09:51 Pastor Bill: And until next time. Bye.

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Summary
Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss the chapter breakdown of the bible, stating that it is often split up like bad television, with no real reason for it. They acknowledged the need for it in order to make it easier for churches and groups to talk about, but were still frustrated by it. They then moved on to discuss Genesis two, which Pastor Bill noted should technically be the end of chapter one. They then discuss the poetic implications and deeper meanings behind the words of Genesis one, before moving on to talk about the start of chapter two.
Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss the translation of Genesis 2:1-3, which states that God completed His work on the seventh day and rested, declaring it holy. Pastor Newms mentioned the Greek Old Testament, which is the one Paul used when he wrote the New Testament, reads that God had completed His work on the sixth day and rested on the seventh day. However, the majority of manuscripts say that God completed His work on the seventh day and rested on the seventh day. Pastor Newms suggested that the NASB translation bridges the gap between the two translations.
Pastors Bill and Newms discussed the idea of God resting on the seventh day. They looked at two different manuscripts that present the idea differently, but are not contradictory. The first one Sez that God finished his work on the sixth day and then rested on the seventh day, while the other one Sez that he completed his work by resting on the seventh day. They also discussed a conversation they had with a Muslim gentleman who scoffed at the idea that God would need to rest. Pastor Bill explained that the Bible does not say that God needed to rest, but that he chose to rest.
The conversation discusses God resting on the seventh day, as described in Exodus 30:17. Pastor Bill explains that the Sabbath is not a legalistic observance, but rather a day of rest and refreshment to help people reset and refocus after six days of work. He further explains that research has shown that a day of rest is essential for the human mind in order to prevent it from schisming. The day of rest is an opportunity to reset and recharge in order to do one's best work.

Timestamps
0:21:29 Conversation Summary: Exploring the Meaning Behind Genesis One and Two
0:25:20 Conversation on Genesis 2:1-3: God's Rest on the Seventh Day
0:26:42 Heading: Exploring the Meaning of the Sabbath in the Bible
0:30:22 Conversation on the Significance of the Sabbath Day
0:33:54 Conversation on the Importance of Rest and Self-Care
0:40:34 Conversation on Self-Care and Rest: Taking Time for Yourself
0:43:10 Conversation between Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms on the Importance of Resting and Manual Clocks
0:45:14 Conversation between Pastor Newms and Pastor Bill on the Brian Manifesto Podcast
0:48:53 Heading: Podcast Discussion on Meeting Over a Meal and Feeding People
0:50:14 Conversation on Tennessee's Political Climate and Drag Queen Story Time

Transcript
[0:00:00] Pastor Bill: He's got a roll of toilet paper on top of his head with the sheets draped down over top of his face.
[0:00:07] Pastor Newms: You haven't said hello and welcome. This is going to get edited out.
[0:00:12] Pastor Bill: Oh, man. Hello, and welcome to season four, episode twelve of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and Pastor Newms with a roll of toilet paper on top of his head has joined, as always.
[0:00:30] Pastor Newms: Lies. Go back and watch the Twitch. There is not a toilet paper roll on my head.
[0:00:34] Pastor Bill: He took it off as I was doing the intro because he was like, you haven't done the intro yet, so I'm cutting this part out where they're not going to hear you telling them, I've got a toilet paper roll on top of my head.
[0:00:44] Pastor Newms: I never said most of that.
[0:00:50] Pastor Bill: All right, maybe you didn't use all those words exactly.
[0:00:54] Pastor Newms: That's why I said most of that. Some of those words were words I used. All right, Pastor Bill.
[0:01:02] Pastor Bill: All right, pastor Newms, how was starting with your week?
[0:01:05] Pastor Newms: No, I already said it.
[0:01:11] Pastor Bill: How was my week? This was spring break for our kids.
[0:01:15] Pastor Newms: Well, two weeks, really, because we didn't do last week because it was yo mama's birthday and Sez, his birthday, and Groggy's birthday.
[0:01:30] Pastor Bill: I don't remember the week before this last one that we just had. I don't remember it.
[0:01:38] Pastor Newms: I just turned your face off. I didn't turn your face off. No one saw that.
[0:01:43] Pastor Bill: Um, the Gergs Theater competition, they got perfect marks all across the board. All three judges in all categories.
[0:01:59] Pastor Newms: Yay.
[0:02:00] Pastor Bill: They're moving on to what's called bi-district.
[0:02:03] Pastor Newms: Bi-district.
[0:02:05] Pastor Bill: That's called bi-district.
[0:02:08] Pastor Newms: See that right there? That right there is what happens when you have independent school districts and not just counties, where you got to do by districts in order to then have regionals after that. That's insane. You got too many schools in that state.
[0:02:25] Pastor Bill: Technically, it's bi-districts. And the top two schools from each of those go on to state.
[0:02:35] Pastor Newms: They don't just call those regional.
[0:02:38] Pastor Bill: No bi-district.
[0:02:40] Pastor Newms: I hate Texas sometimes your guys' independent school districts are like the bane of everyone else's existence. You all are just special out there.
[0:02:53] Pastor Bill: It's the UIL that administers it all. The University Scholastic League. They organize all the football, everything. And they organize all the education competitions and all the band competitions, all the choir competitions. They organize all that. So they make all those calls. So yeah, I don't know. Yeah. So that happened a week before last, and then this last week was spring break, like I said, for our kids. And you'd think that would make life easier, not having to get up every morning and take the kids to school. But no one grandma wants kids on some days and the other grandma wants things on some days. And I'm running all over town trying to get things done during spring break. Because the kids are wanting to do all kinds of things. I like all that, though, is Hello Fresh was running a Hulu promotion and I was able to get like six meals for four persons per meal for like 90% off because it combined the Hulu promotion with like a first time buyer promotion. And so we ate some really good recipes this week. That was fun.
[0:04:28] Pastor Newms: Okay.
[0:04:29] Pastor Bill: Yeah. So how was your week?
[0:04:33] Pastor Newms: I'm going to do the thing you're never supposed to do and touch your microphone because there's something on it. It looks like a cat hair, and it's driving me batty because it's right out of the corner of my eye. 1 second. I feel like you need to talk.
[0:04:43] Pastor Bill: I'm sitting too high.
[0:04:46] Pastor Newms: I feel like I'm not sitting high.
[0:04:48] Pastor Bill: Enough, like more than my head should be going or something. But if I move my camera, the clock here is going to be in the wrong place. The clock is supposed to be done.
[0:05:02] Pastor Newms: Okay. How was my week? So my two weeks was pretty good. It's been an eventful two weeks. Last weekend we had a church work day during on a Saturday. And that is more how you normally sit. Yes.
[0:05:20] Pastor Bill: And.
[0:05:26] Pastor Newms: It hurt the church work day? Yeah. Just because there's so much I got some physical issues. We all know I've got some physical issues, right? And so, yeah, it was rough. Some of the I worked real hard because it's church work day. So I got in there and was like, get it. And then I was like, get it. And I slightly twisted my knee, which is not uncommon. This isn't like, oh, Newms. Is getting old and injured. No. I've been twisting my knees since I was 14, so it made me stop playing sports. Was knee pain. Knee pain is normal.
[0:06:23] Pastor Bill: Like me spraining my ankles.
[0:06:24] Pastor Newms: Yeah, exactly. Or like Zaydie spraining her stepping wrong and popping her foot. And then she swings her foot around to repop it because she sprained them so many times that they just it's like a pop and lock Barbie.
[0:06:39] Pastor Bill: Pop and lock Barbie.
[0:06:42] Pastor Newms: No, she freaked out her coworkers because it happened the other day and her ankle popped. She goes, oh, that doesn't feel right, and swung it around and popped it and she goes, oh, that feels better. And they're all staring at her like wide eyed and like, this girl's a robot. She just popped her ankle at will to walk straight. I don't even know if she's on right now hearing me call her out because she's done her making dinner. So I don't think she's turned on the live, so ha. She won't even know I'm talking mess about her. He'll tell her. And so that was interesting. So then when you texted me and you were like, let's not have church to allow for oh, she's here. I was wrong.
[0:07:26] Pastor Bill: Your wife was here hearing you talk smack about her.
[0:07:28] Pastor Newms: When you were like, I was actually sitting at the table with Sez, and you were like, let's not let's celebrate birthdays. And I was like Sez, we're not celebrating, so I love you, and I'm going to bed early. He's not listening to us. I can see his screens. He's watching YouTube. Anyway, so that was good. And then this week was busy. Just been very busy. I just feel like I'm just busy all the time right now, and I don't like it, but it's good. We had a close friend of ours mother passed, and so we had went to her funeral in Memphis yesterday to support him. And that's, of course, real emotional because they were super close, so that was rough. And then went out to lunch with friends today, which is also weird because I don't do things like that. So I was emotionally more than drained. And so I just went to bed. When I got home, it's been a day.
[0:09:06] Pastor Bill: I'm up, and I'm headed up there.
[0:09:09] Pastor Newms: Zaydie actually ran to the store, and she comes and I partially hear something, and I'm like, Whatever. No, he has to get up. And then they're coming in my room.
[0:09:28] Pastor Bill: No, you have to get up.
[0:09:29] Pastor Newms: It's this time. And I'm like, so, yeah. So that's what's going on. That's how my week was. Is it your week to read a card or my week? I think it's your week.
[0:09:48] Pastor Bill: It is my week to read a card. And I have my deck here ready to pull one. All right, here we go. How much would someone have to pay you to eat a live spider?
[0:10:09] Pastor Newms: Well, Biggs just threw up in his mouth. Almost guarantee that.
[0:10:21] Pastor Bill: A live spider.
[0:10:22] Pastor Newms: How Biggs of a spider are we talking? Here comes the qualifying questions, where newoms hustle lawyers, way out of everything qualifiers.
[0:10:28] Pastor Bill: Every time you're like, now, you'll see the spider here in question.
[0:10:35] Pastor Newms: So, like, if we're talking, like if we're talking, like, some little, like, spider, we're talking like I do it for you.
[0:10:45] Pastor Bill: Talking about the little tiny ones that you already eat twelve of a year or whatever it is while you're asleep.
[0:10:50] Pastor Newms: See, that's inaccurate. That's not what it is. So that's an average, not a median or a mean. What that means is there's one dude who he's eating them all the time.
[0:11:02] Pastor Bill: He's eating them all the time in his sleep. He lives in the spider den.
[0:11:05] Pastor Newms: Thousands of spiders just go in and out of his mouth every day. So the rest of us, we don't eat any. That's how I take that. Yeah, that's how I process that, because it counts. Australia with us.
[0:11:18] Pastor Bill: You just skew the data until you feel comfortable.
[0:11:21] Pastor Newms: That's right. As Biggs says, there is not enough money in the world. Okay? So if we're talking, like, a little spider did it say live? Did it say it had to be alive?
[0:11:31] Pastor Bill: No, not live. I don't think it said live. Did it say alive?
[0:11:36] Pastor Newms: I don't remember.
[0:11:38] Pastor Bill: Oh, yeah, it says live.
[0:11:39] Pastor Newms: Okay.
[0:11:39] Pastor Bill: A live spider.
[0:11:40] Pastor Newms: So if we're talking like a little spider, like this spider, like that spider, like a real little spider, like that kind of spider. You see what I mean? Look at the camera. Like that. We're talking about that.
[0:11:50] Pastor Bill: I see it.
[0:11:54] Pastor Newms: I'd do it for a couple of grand.
[0:12:00] Pastor Bill: Now, my only qualifier here is two things. One, is this a poisonous spider? I'm going to get sick and fade it.
[0:12:11] Pastor Newms: Well, poisonous or venomous?
[0:12:14] Pastor Bill: Well, venomous. It affects me when it bites me. Poisonous. I get sick when I bite it.
[0:12:19] Pastor Newms: But I don't want venomous either, because it could bite me in the process.
[0:12:22] Pastor Bill: Of me eating it. Well, that's why you start at the butt first and bite it in half so that it dies, so it can't bite you on the way down.
[0:12:29] Pastor Newms: You got to then hold the front.
[0:12:30] Pastor Bill: Of it right where its fangs are. Just chill. There's ways to hold spiders. Okay? One, is it poisonous? And two, is this something that people normally eat because it's got a good flavor, or is it going to be nasty as I all get out of my mouth? Those are my two qualifiers. Now, if it's not poisonous and people enjoy eating it, I'll just do it for a dare. No, if people don't I'm going to need at least, like, $10.
[0:13:06] Pastor Newms: No, homie. No.
[0:13:10] Pastor Bill: Listen, brother.
[0:13:12] Pastor Newms: No.
[0:13:13] Pastor Bill: I've eaten a peanut butter and maggot sandwich just for role play.
[0:13:19] Pastor Newms: I understand that. That's different maggots are nutritious. Like, that's different. Spiders are spiders are nutritious. You can't no. Have you seen the TikTok where the lady dips it and I got salsa and then eats it silky?
[0:13:36] Pastor Bill: That silky texture on the inside when all that webbing comes and the ichor.
[0:13:42] Pastor Newms: No, dude, get out of here. We're not friends no more. This is the last episode of The Berean Manifesto, faith, hope, and love for the Christian of last week.
[0:13:52] Pastor Bill: Because Pastor Bill, isn't it ick-or?
[0:13:55] Pastor Newms: No, it's I-core.
[0:13:57] Pastor Bill: It's ick-or.
[0:13:58] Pastor Newms: I-core.
[0:13:58] Pastor Bill: I thought that was pronounced ick-or.
[0:14:00] Pastor Newms: I don't care how it was pronounced. It's icky, so it has to be an I.
[0:14:04] Pastor Bill: Like ick-or.
[0:14:05] Pastor Newms: No, icky.
[0:14:06] Pastor Bill: So ick-or.
[0:14:07] Pastor Newms: No, it's icky. So I-core. I have to be right on this. It's just how it is. I actually don't know. How do you pronounce icore? Just like I always say. No, not what what word is that? That's not a that that's some kind of, like, eldritch horror word that I looked up. How do you spell icore? I don't know how to pronounce I don't know how to spell icore to then ask how to say icore. How do you pronounce spider blood? Is it not I-core?
[0:14:59] Pastor Bill: It's I-C-H-O-R.
[0:15:01] Pastor Newms: But that doesn't nothing goo.
[0:15:06] Pastor Bill: It is a noun that is pronounced okay. I-core.
[0:15:08] Pastor Newms: All right, here we go. Ready? Here we go. Here we go.
[0:15:12] Pastor Bill: I-core I-core.
[0:15:14] Pastor Newms: Bam. I-core.
[0:15:17] Pastor Bill: Yeah, I-core. That's what I just said.
[0:15:20] Pastor Newms: I was right, you were wrong.
[0:15:21] Pastor Bill: I think that's what that pronunciation?
[0:15:23] Pastor Newms: I was right, you were wrong. I-core. Okay, Biggs, here's the problem. Best spider is a dead spider barbecue.
[0:15:30] Pastor Bill: So you're saying you need a dead.
[0:15:31] Pastor Newms: Spider, but not a live spider? Biggs, I know you ain't actually going to know. There's no way. I've seen you squeal like a little girl and run across a room as a six foot three factory worker. Like you are not out here trying to post on the Internet that you're going to eat a spider. I call shenanigans. That's the word. I can say.
[0:15:56] Pastor Bill: So on the free Wiktionary for the word I-core. It's got pronunciations. I-core, I-kar and ick-or are the three different pronunciations.
[0:16:14] Pastor Newms: So read Psalms 22:16 and Isaiah 53:5. Thank you for chatting for the first time. We saw you join us last month, so welcome back. Posted a bunch of things called hyper creeps. And they're just spiders. They're just spider like little spiders. Just a whole line of little spiders.
[0:16:33] Pastor Bill: Just this hype creep on my end.
[0:16:36] Pastor Newms: They're little spiders. They're little spiders.
[0:16:38] Pastor Bill: Over and over again what these were to say. Psalms 22:16.
[0:17:08] Pastor Newms: It's an interesting aspect of life. Now, I'm just going to call you Read as opposed to saying your whole name each time. So neither one of us have a denomination per chance. And the Ecclesian House, which is the ministry that we are both from in this respect, is an interdenominational ministry. So we work with multiple people all the time. So neither one of us are in a denomination per se. The church I attend on Sundays is non denominational. And the church Pastor Bill attends is also non denomination, is technically interdenominational because he's the pastor of the church that you're currently at.
[0:18:08] Pastor Bill: This is the service of the church.
[0:18:12] Pastor Newms: So technically interdenominational. Now I lost my so Biggs would.
[0:18:26] Pastor Bill: Eat a dead barbecued spider.
[0:18:30] Pastor Newms: How much money, though? We talkin’ Biggs because I'm willing to pay you some money to watch you have to eat a spider just because you said so. And we'll record it to put it on here just because you hate them so much. I want to know what amount of money to see if I can pull off getting it. And see, now he's going to give us some crazy amount of money that no one would ever do just so he doesn't have to.
[0:18:51] Pastor Bill: But we'll start a crowdfunding campaign of some kind. We'll figure it out or something. We'll start a kickstarter. We'll be like we'll give you pictures of Biggs trying to get the spider on a shirt, all kinds of stuff for the Kickstarter. We'll get the money.
[0:19:17] Pastor Newms: Oh, man. All right. Yeah, we're good. All right.
[0:19:29] Pastor Bill: You just wouldn't do it, Pastor Newms. You just wouldn't eat.
[0:19:31] Pastor Newms: No, I would. I said a couple of grand for a small one and a whole lot of money. It's going to depend on the size of the spider. Like, you're going to show me the spider and I'm going to be like, no. You talk about them Biggs old translators where it's going to take multiple bites and I can't just swallow it. You got me almost ready to cuss here. I know we keep it family friendly. There was this part but no.
[0:20:02] Pastor Bill: And they would have no weird things, right?
[0:20:04] Pastor Newms: No.
[0:20:04] Pastor Bill: And every time I always watch that, I would always be like, I don't see the issue. Just what's that word? Disassociate and eat it. Why can't you just disassociate? Just do it.
[0:20:20] Pastor Newms: Neurotypicals can't disassociate.
[0:20:25] Pastor Bill: It's not real. I would just disassociate. It's not real. It happened over there, and my brain is over here. I don't understand.
[0:20:32] Pastor Newms: No homie. No. I don't know if we can be friends. Like I said, this is the last episode of The Berean Manifesto. Thank you for joining. Hope you all have a good night. If anyone asks how the ministry died, it's because Pastor Bill said he would eat spiders.
[0:20:51] Pastor Bill: Pastor Newms couldn't handle that.
[0:20:53] Pastor Newms: Yeah, we have fought on air about all kinds of stuff and even more in our personal life. The breaking point was the argument of.
[0:21:08] Pastor Bill: Spider, the edibility of Arachnid.
[0:21:16] Pastor Newms: Oh, man. Okay. Yeah, we got to change the topic. I'm icky as I'll get out right now, we got to go, like, you got to change it to something. Let's talk about the actual stuff. Get to going.
[0:21:28] Pastor Bill: Get to go. Genesis.
[0:21:29] Pastor Newms: Okay, genesis two. Move on. Let's go.
[0:21:32] Pastor Bill: Since we started season four oh, Biggs. Come on. 2.5 million get real. Okay, so since we started season four, we picked back up in Genesis one, right? We started talking about Genesis One. We've talked a little bit about John 1, and we went all the way through the first chapter of Genesis. We talked about the history of the chapter 1 of Genesis and the origins and the Babylonian stuff and some of the Sumerian stuff. And we really did this overall look at why is this piece of text included in Genesis? What is its positioning in relation to everything else? And we went through kind of what are the poetic ramifications of the wording and the things they chose to say and what are the deeper meanings behind those words. When we talked about Genesis 1:1, and we were like, this isn't really just in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. It's this deeper, really profound thing. And if you haven't listened to any of that yet, take some time, go back and read the transcripts or listen to it right quick and then come back and listen here. If you want, if you don't - if you just want to pick up from where you are, that's cool, too. We can just pick up right here. So now we are picking up in Genesis, chapter two, previous years, which I.
[0:23:08] Pastor Newms: Would like to also state, I hate the chapter breakdown so much sometimes.
[0:23:20] Pastor Bill: Because Genesis chapter two, verses one through it should be chapter one, technically be the end of chapter one.
[0:23:28] Pastor Newms: We should not be acting like bad television that requires you to watch the next episode in order to understand the full story. Like, we should not be doing part.
[0:23:40] Pastor Bill: Twos, mid chapter written like bad television.
[0:23:45] Pastor Newms: It's split up like bad television, not.
[0:23:47] Pastor Bill: Written up like bad television.
[0:23:48] Pastor Newms: We've got chapters like 119.
[0:23:51] Pastor Bill: It was the producers. The producers did bad with Psalms 119.
[0:23:54] Pastor Newms: It's just page after page after page after page to make sure it's semi together. And then we're like, let's cut this off and put three verses on the next one. No, there's no reason for it. It's painful. It's painful. And I understand the need because when we're talking in churches and we're talking in groups and we're doing things like this, you can't be like, oh, I'm on page 47. What page are you on? Well, my page I understand some of the purpose behind it. It's just like and we can't really go back at this point and change it all. I know, but it's like.
[0:24:27] Pastor Bill: Maybe always frustrated me. Some Bible company could make a Bible with new yeah,.
[0:24:33] Pastor Newms: But then it wouldn't be standard, and it would cause issues across everything and you would never be able to bible just got rid of them.
[0:24:37] Pastor Bill: It was like, no, we're not even going to have them. We're just going to get rid of them all together.
[0:24:42] Pastor Newms: It's not that's not that's a that's a translation. That's not a translation. That's a paraphrase. And they plainly say, so we're not gonna, you know, and, you know, it's just one of those things. It's one of those things that we all know it happens. It's just this is one of those blatant. Not like, maybe not. This is like 123-4567. Move on to the next story completely. And you're just like, okay, now I'll let you continue because I won't complain no more about it today.
[0:25:20] Pastor Bill: All right, so let's go ahead and read Genesis chapter 2, verses 1 through 3. So the heavens of the earth and everything in them were completed on the 7th day. God had completed his work that he had done, and he rested on the 7th day. From all his work that he had done. God blessed the 7th day and declared it holy, for on it he rested from all his work of creation. Sounds a lot like a lawyer writ that, didn't it? Wrote that, doesn't it?
[0:25:51] Pastor Newms: Sometimes.
[0:25:53] Pastor Bill: Now some text like the Greek Old Testament, the one that Paul had when he was writing the New Testament. Not all of the New Testament when he was writing his works that got put in. The new Testament actually reads, on the 6th day, God had completed his work that he had done, and he rested on the 7th day. But the majority of manuscripts say on the 7th day, God completed his work that he had done and he rested on the 7th day, which I find interesting.
[0:26:28] Pastor Newms: The Nasb says by the 7th day to kind of, I think, bridge that gap. Maybe, but I mean, it's one of those things.
[0:26:42] Pastor Bill: Let's see what the KJV pulls from.
[0:26:48] Pastor Newms: And on the 7th day yeah, but.
[0:26:52] Pastor Bill: The and on the are implied, not actually in the original.
[0:26:58] Pastor Newms: Right.
[0:26:59] Pastor Bill: And they are not given any numbers from yeah. Right. So we have two different Ideologies that we can pull from the two different ways that the manuscripts place these. Right. So the one says, on the 6th day, God finished his work and then he rested on the 7th day. And we have the other one that says on the 7th day, God completed his work by resting. Yeah, and that's the only difference. The difference there is that in one point of view, it views the rest as integral to the work. And on the other one, it says that the rest was taken because the work was done. Right. And so these aren't exclusive ideas. These are two ways to look at the exact same thing that's going on. They're not contradictory to each other.
[0:28:02] Pastor Newms: Yeah, they're definitely not contradictory. They are different, but they are not contradictory.
[0:28:10] Pastor Bill: So in the past, in January, we talk about taking a Sabbath day and then we talk about tithing. And that's usually the only times that we hit on those two things. And this year we took a little bit of a different track. Right. We started in Genesis one, we started working our way up. So here we are at the Sabbath conversation because now it's coming up, right?
[0:28:37] Pastor Newms: Yes.
[0:28:38] Pastor Bill: So on the 7th day, God rested. Now, whether he rested because that was resting is the completion of the work, or he rested because the work was done, either way, that doesn't really matter in the way that you frame the way you read that. So I had a friend several years ago, not that we're not friends anymore, but we're not in contact anymore. It was a Muslim gentleman who went by the name of D. And we would have these conversations where we would talk about the differences between what the Bible said about certain things and what the Quran said about certain things. And we got into this conversation about creation and the six days versus the Quran's idea that it was millions and billions and years and more of the evolutionary timeline is what he attributed the Quran's teachings to. And I went through the six days and on the 7th day, God rested and he scoffed. He scoffed and he said, God is God. God doesn't need to rest. And I said, I agree. It doesn't say that God needed to rest. It doesn't say that God was tired. It Says that God chose to rest.
[0:30:04] Pastor Newms: Right.
[0:30:04] Pastor Bill: He rested. The question came up of why would God do that why would God rest? So let's turn to Exodus 30:17.
[0:30:22] Pastor Newms: Okay, I was just about to do that.
[0:30:29] Pastor Bill: Okay. And I'm actually going to start reading at 16, but 17 is the meat of why we're turning over here. Starting at 16, the Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a permanent covenant. It is a sign forever between me and the Israelites, for in six days, the Lord made the heavens and the earth, but on the 7th day, he rested and was refreshed. So God didn't need to rest, but he chose to rest and he was refreshed, right? That's what it says. Now, why would it choose those words, though? Because it all boils down to what is the Sabbath and why the Sabbath day is for us, right? It's a day of rest that we observe so that we can recharge, so that we can reset our mindset, so that we can refocus who we are and then move forward and do our best work. So it's not this legalistic thing, although some have taken it there, right?
[0:31:53] Pastor Newms: Yes.
[0:31:54] Pastor Bill: And it doesn't actually say if you go and you look at what the layout of what a Sabbath is, it doesn't actually say everyone has to Sabbath on the same day of the week. No, it says after you've worked for six days, take a day, refresh yourself, reset. And what we found in psychological circles in lots of different areas is that six days of work is a pretty hard limit for the human mind. When you get into the 7th day of work, the 8th day of work without a rest, you're starting to schism. You're not seeing things correctly, you're starting to see the world through weird blinders. Your body needs rest. And honestly, there's this push now for four days of work each week with three days off, because now we're talking not necessity, but now we're talking about what is the peak of human, what is peak performance? Right? What is peak performance? And peak performance turns out to be four days of work and then three days off, you are on Twitch, who calls himself Read. And then there's a couple of verses there. You can go read those verses if you want. Psalm 22:16 and Isaiah 53:5, the references to the Messiah, he says, yeah, a lot of things Jesus did is theatrics and instruction for teaching for us so our dumb finite human minds can understand. You're right on the money. There's so much in the Bible that is an infinite God, an infinite amount of knowledge, trying to dumb it down for humanity to understand. Even in this example that you've given, it's funny to go and read. Jesus will say something and then the disciples would be like, yeah, but what about and Jesus is like, yeah, that's what I just said, but I'll say it again if you think that would help.
[0:34:35] Pastor Newms: Yeah, when we look at the Sabbath. It's something that we I it's important from a standpoint of resting. And God thought it was so important that when the Israelites were going through the time periods that were getting the commandments and all those things, as we were reading in Exodus, he put on rules of hey, look, you guys have got to understand this. If you don't understand this and you don't take your rest, you should die. Now, here's the funny thing about that. This is not a hard rule to follow per se. Like go take a break for most people is not hard. There are those stubborn people out there that they work, they do everything they do and they don't take a Sabbath. They will burn out over time, especially if you're working two jobs, as Zaydie mentioned. What about people who work full time and are involved in ministry outside? At what point is that a form of working? In my opinion it is you still have to have a day off from those multiple aspects because you will burn out otherwise. And I think a lot of times that's where we see people who work both regular jobs and ministry part time. Ministry work is never part time, but I think that's why we see them burn out often is we have to focus on resting also and it's so important. And that's one of those examples. What Zaydie is saying is where it is hard to those are the types of people who it is hard to take a break when you're doing when you're doing that. But it depends on what is refreshing, what is pulling away from you, which ministry often takes a toll on you, at least in an emotional level. But that's why a lot of pastors take Mondays off. But there are people who don't. And that is where you can have serious forms of burnout. You have to be very careful with that.
[0:37:41] Pastor Bill: But some ministry can be refreshing to some people. Some people would consider doing some types of ministry to be invigorating, to be refreshing, to be restful, to be The door greeter people, the door greeter.
[0:38:01] Pastor Newms: Those weirdos at the door. People that are like super happy.
[0:38:05] Pastor Bill: And when you go to do ministry, it feels like work. Then you're not resting, you're not taking a Sabbath, you're working on the Sabbath. If you're working a full time job and then volunteering at your church too, to the point where you're not getting a day a week off, then you're not taking care of yourself, which is in my opinion, a cardinal sin. You have to take care of yourself. You're sinning against yourself in the name of whatever ministry that you're serving, which is dangerous. Jesus said love the Lord God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself, right? So you're supposed to love yourself, which means take care of yourself. Don't feed yourself poison, don't be drinking in excess and killing yourself off. Don't be smoking in excess and killing yourself off. Take care of yourself. Don't be shooting up all the time and hurting yourself and being promiscuous and getting STDs and all the things that aren't actual self love. Don't be doing all those things. Take care of yourself. Love yourself. Give yourself a Sabbath, actual love for yourself, and then love your neighbor in that same way. Make sure your neighbor is fed healthy. Make sure your neighbor is not becoming a slave to drugs. Make sure your neighbor's not being eaten up by addiction and doing things that are destructive to their life. These are the greatest commandments here. Love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, all your mind, your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.
[0:40:01] Pastor Newms: I like to love yourself, yeah.
[0:40:05] Pastor Bill: No, you like to ignore the love yourself part. Most people do. A lot of churches do because they think they look at self love and they go, oh, well, self love is self indulgence. You're not supposed to self indulge. Well, that's not love. If I love my kid, I'm not going to 24 hours a day, seven days a week be shoving candy down their throat. That's indulgence, but that's not love. If you love yourself, then you're taking care of yourself. Like I was talking about last week, I like to have a salad a day. Makes me feel healthy. I have more energy, my body works better. That's taking care of myself. That's loving myself. And so I take that seriously, and this is just as serious. Finding time to rest and reset and refocus yourself is a paramount thing. And it is important for all human beings to have rest and refreshment. It just is. Yeah, gosh, I don't know what else to say.
[0:41:26] Pastor Newms: And there's nothing so in what we've been doing as we've gone through this. There's nothing super different about the Hebrew words used here either.
[0:41:46] Pastor Bill: Yeah, I knew there wouldn't be.
[0:41:48] Pastor Newms: Yeah. I'm just saying that for everyone else, in case they're like, we talk about the words this time.
[0:41:55] Pastor Bill: Why did we talk about the words?
[0:41:57] Pastor Newms: And it's because they are there's not.
[0:41:59] Pastor Bill: Going to be in this one.
[0:42:03] Pastor Newms: It's what we've talked about throughout the last weeks of this is what it is.
[0:42:12] Pastor Bill: And there's the plural. There still it's God. Not God. We're actually still technically in the Babylonian adaption. We're still adapting the Babylonian text there. We haven't actually gotten to what was originally the beginning of Genesis yet, not until we get to verse four of chapter two, and then we get to the actual first Jewish text of the Bible. And we talked about the 7th day manuscripts versus the 6th day manuscripts as far as verse two there of chapter two is concerned. But yeah, you have to find time for yourself to rest.
[0:43:05] Pastor Newms: Yeah, it's super important. Resting is important.
[0:43:10] Pastor Bill: And you'd think we had a two day weekend in the United States because people understood that but no, that's not why we have a two day weekend in the United States we have a two day weekend in the United States because it's illegal to buy cars on Sundays. No, that's literally why letting people off on Saturdays came through.
[0:43:37] Pastor Newms: It was illegal.
[0:43:40] Pastor Bill: It still is in Texas.
[0:43:42] Pastor Newms: Right? In Texas, but not everywhere.
[0:43:44] Pastor Bill: Yeah, not everywhere.
[0:43:46] Pastor Newms: Did Pastor Bill forget to spring Pastor Bill? Your time is wrong.
[0:43:52] Pastor Bill: Where?
[0:43:52] Pastor Newms: On your clock.
[0:43:55] Pastor Bill: Well, okay.
[0:43:58] Pastor Newms: Biggs just called you out on it.
[0:44:01] Pastor Bill: It's a manual clock. I forget that I even own a manual clock anymore.
[0:44:06] Pastor Newms: I was like, what do you mean? Biggs like, he's here. What are you talking about? Yeah, and then I looked behind you and was like, his clock's wrong.
[0:44:17] Pastor Bill: Every other clock I own, every other clock I own except for in my car is automatic. Automatically changes. Yeah.
[0:44:31] Pastor Newms: I don't have anything else.
[0:44:32] Pastor Bill: Yeah, I was trying to think of if I had any other anecdotes, but I don't. Only a story about D, but that relationship got weird about the third time he tried to convert me to Islam. It got really uncomfortable.
[0:44:54] Pastor Newms: And also there was issues with the business, wasn't there? Like some weird stuff happened or something? Because I remember I went by one time and it was gone.
[0:45:06] Pastor Bill: I mean, he had a hard time getting customers to come in. Yeah, I don't know why. The food was amazing.
[0:45:14] Pastor Newms: Food was really good.
[0:45:17] Pastor Bill: Food was for a while there was an uptick in people that came in, but then it kind of died back down again. I don't know.
[0:45:25] Pastor Newms: So good. Those were great.
[0:45:28] Pastor Bill: He ended up selling it to a lady in Irving and then they moved back to Canada. Yeah.
[0:45:42] Pastor Newms: Well, the Berean Manifesto is recorded live in front of a studio audience. There's no studio audience. It's a Twitch audience.
[0:45:49] Pastor Bill: It's a virtual studio. And it comes out every Wednesday at 07:00 p.m.. Great.
[0:45:58] Pastor Newms: You said Canada.
[0:46:04] Pastor Bill: And to be fair, we do record it live on Sunday evening. Did I send you that TikTok where the person said, if somebody says to be fair and your friend doesn't respond correctly, then you're not friends anymore.
[0:46:22] Pastor Newms: No, now granted, that means you've watched a niche show from Canada, but niche not niche. Niche. What is niche? That is what is the Mitchar.
[0:46:35] Pastor Bill: Yeah. So we record this on Sunday nights at 06:30 P.m. Central Standard Time. And you can go to our website, Ekk.House, to find out which Twitch, which Facebook, and which YouTube channel you can go to to watch live and also participate in the chat. Like you've heard us responding to people in the chat as they've brought up points, and Zany brought up a good point. And our new friend with the read and the verses references brought up a good contribution to the conversation so you can actually be a part of the conversation. And then the podcast comes out on Wednesdays at 07:00 p.m. Pretty much anywhere you get podcasts. I haven't double checked that. We're on every podcast service in a while because there are a lot of podcast services, but we are syndicated on most podcast services, the Berean Manifesto. So if this has been enjoyable to you or you found this helpful, or you want to share the word of other people, you can go like and follow and share our stuff on social media. You can like and share this podcast wherever you've listened to it. That would really help us spread the word about what we're doing here and get more people to come to the live recordings, get more people to listen to the podcast episodes.
[0:48:06] Pastor Newms: So that way there's more feedback and build the community.
[0:48:08] Pastor Bill: More feedback, more community.
[0:48:11] Pastor Newms: And me and Zaydie were actually talking about this today that we used to before COVID and before life and before me moving to Tennessee and Pastor Bill being in Texas. We met over a meal and did this. Pastor Bill did a recording of the podcast. Everyone listened to the podcast, and then we met and talked, and then we put that out. Also, Zaydie was like, why can't we go back to eating during it? Because that was always good. I liked that. And I was like, because then the podcast would be me chewing, and no one wants to hear that. And she was like, oh, yeah, the podcast. So for Zaydie, this is the whole thing, really. And then for others, we have, as you all out there know and are joining us in podcast land. You all listen to us via that.
[0:49:10] Pastor Bill: And then feeding people was a lot of money.
[0:49:14] Pastor Newms: It was, but it was good.
[0:49:15] Pastor Bill: And that money has to come from somewhere.
[0:49:18] Pastor Newms: It does.
[0:49:18] Pastor Bill: So it's just kind of like and we don't ask for money. We just don't. We don't believe in it. If you want to give, you give. We're not going to try to extort you into getting you to give us money. We don't believe in that. And therefore, we have limited funds. And that's okay. It's not a big deal. All right, there you go. That's all we have for tonight. We're ending about five minutes early, but that's okay. That's not a big deal.
[0:49:53] Pastor Newms: No.
[0:49:54] Pastor Bill: So I love you guys. I hope you have a great week.
[0:49:57] Pastor Newms: Be safe out there, please.
[0:49:59] Pastor Bill: And until next time, too much craziness, please. You add it up, please.
[0:50:04] Pastor Newms: It's crazy out there right now.
[0:50:07] Pastor Bill: If you live in Tennessee, it is. If you live anywhere else, then it's just kind of the normal amount of crazy.
[0:50:14] Pastor Newms: I disagree with that.
[0:50:16] Pastor Bill: But Tennessee, man, I don't know what's going on with Tennessee. You've got legislators.
[0:50:21] Pastor Newms: I don't know what we're doing.
[0:50:22] Pastor Bill: Anti gay and then commenting on gay thirst traps on Instagram all at the same time.
[0:50:29] Pastor Newms: And we've got our national government trying to ban tiktoks while Biden is in tiktoks.
[0:50:37] Pastor Bill: That White House making.
[0:50:41] Pastor Newms: I honestly believe the other 49 states are just watching Tennessee going, all right, let's see how this pans out.
[0:50:48] Pastor Bill: Because, you know, Texas is going to.
[0:50:50] Pastor Newms: Be right behind as soon as with Abbott. But it's that aspect of, like, everybody's like, well, they're the idiots who did it first. Let's just see what they volunteered, got themselves into. All right? And that's enough of a 30 second buffer, so now we don't have to sing.
[0:51:09] Pastor Bill: Personally, I don't understand drag queen story time. Okay. I don't understand why they want to do it, the drag queens. I don't understand why they want to have that performance with children. I don't understand it's fine. But I'm not saying that it's weird. I'm just saying I don't understand the why of why they want to do that firing. They're not allowed to.
[0:51:34] Pastor Newms: It's doubt-fireing.
[0:51:36] Pastor Bill: He put it on everyone's mind. When you're a proclaimed Christian and you've come to a drag time story hour because you believe it's wrong and the Nazis roll up, literal Nazis with swastikas on their arms and they link arms with you and you're sharing the same message with Nazis, you're wrong.
[0:52:11] Pastor Newms: Pretty much anytime that you're joining with Nazis, it's typically you're wrong. That should be your wake up call. Really should really confuse on why it's not pulled up.
[0:52:30] Pastor Bill: The Christians should have dropped their signs and walked across the line in support of the people inside the library. Yeah, we should not be that's all kinds of wrong.
[0:52:45] Pastor Newms: Yeah. We should not be with Nazis ever. If anything, that should be your red flag.
[0:53:01] Pastor Bill: Like, Nazis are bad, period. Full stop. There’s no qualifiers there. Nazis are bad, period. Yeah. Okay. And now I don't want this to get cut off. I would actually like you to leave all of that in there.

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Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms were discussing Genesis 1 and the history of how it became included as part of the book of Genesis. They discussed how during the captivity in Babylon, stories from Babylon were added to the existing Genesis 2, as they provided more detail to the creation story. Pastor Newms then reminded Pastor Bill that the Judeans, ancestors of the Jews, were originally a polytheistic people. In summary, the conversation revolved around the history of Genesis 1 and the Judeans.The conversation discussed the ancient Israelites and their belief in multiple gods and their worship of Ashra, a female deity who was believed to be the wife of Yahweh. Yahweh is mentioned in both Sumerian mythology and in the Mosaic Law. Despite this, the Israelites continued to worship other gods, so God punished them by sending them into captivity. The descendants of these captives went on to become the Samaritans, who still held onto some of their beliefs and were expecting the Messiah. Despite their own experiences with God, they eventually gave up the worship of Asherah.Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discussed the origin of the story of Genesis 1. They noted that it was likely adapted from Sumerian myth by the Babylonians, who wanted the Jewish people to worship their king as a monotheistic god. However, the Jewish people saw similarities between the Sumerian myth and their own history, and made changes to make it more palatable to their own culture. They read Genesis 1, noting the broader strokes of the story, as compared to the more detailed account of Genesis 2. Ultimately, the conversation concluded with an invitation to read Genesis 1.God began the creation of the world by separating light from darkness and creating an expanse between the waters. He then caused the earth to produce vegetation, seed-bearing plants, and fruit trees. He made the two great lights to rule over the day and night and placed stars in the sky. He also caused the waters to swarm with living creatures and the earth to produce livestock, creatures that crawl, and wildlife. On the fifth day, God looked on His creation and saw that it was good.

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In the religious reflection being discussed, the authors believe that the creation story in the book of Genesis is a historical truth and has a significant impact on our relationship with God as our creator. They argue that the form of the document, its position at the beginning of the book of Genesis, and historical evidence all support the idea that the creation of the heavens, the earth, and all living things is a work of God and an objective fact. The authors critique the limitations of science in establishing the periods of creation and argue that the conclusions about fossiliferous formations and the plants and animals they contain are not established truths and have not been confirmed by continued research.The author summarizes the creation story in Genesis 1:1-13, which describes the creation of heaven and earth, including the creation of light, the firmament, the sea, the earth and its fruits, the lights of heaven, fish and fowl, beasts, man, and food for both. The text stresses the importance of recognizing God's presence in our lives and putting Him first in all things. Humans were created in God's image and given the ability to have dominion over the earth, but it is important to ask God to control the evil in our hearts. The authors also emphasize the importance of examining one's daily work and making improvements, as well as the divine proportioning of day and night, with light symbolizing God, truth, heaven, and decency. The beauty of nature is seen as evidence of the existence of God, and the darkness in the book of Genesis is a symbol of the ongoing struggle between light and darkness.The authors’ central belief is that God is the creator of all things and that creation serves to reveal the truth about His nature and character. They see the relationship between science and God as complementary, with design being at the core of both, and believe that the concept of light and darkness in the book of Genesis is a symbol of the ongoing struggle between good and evil. The author encourages us to live in the Spirit and serve the common good, putting God first in all things, as they believe this is the greatest honor and safety for all.The authors also focus on two specific Hebrew words in the creation story, "nephesh" and "tannin," and offer alternative interpretations to gain a deeper understanding of their significance. They assert that the universe and all its elements were created for a purpose, as an expression of God's love and grace for humanity, and that everything in creation is imbued with a Divine Blessing that serves to preserve the community and support all life.The author presents a comprehensive view of the creation of the sea and air creatures in the Bible, as they see it as a demonstration of God's wisdom, power, and love. They believe that the creation of the universe is not just a physical event but a spiritual one as well, and that the universe was created with a purpose and a specific role to play in God's overall plan. The author interprets the creation story in Genesis 1 as a depiction of God's creative work and argues that all elements of the universe, including sea and air creatures, are symbols of God's glory and power. They delve into the meanings of the Hebrew words "nephesh" and "tannin" used in Genesis 1, offering alternative interpretations to shed light on their significance in the creation story.The authors highlight the numerous ways in which God's presence and power are manifested in the universe, from the physical laws governing the movement of stars and planets to the intricate and diverse forms of life on earth. They emphasize the importance of recognizing the hand of God in the creation of the universe and trusting in Him for our daily sustenance and blessings.

Timestamps

25:07 Conversation Summary: Genesis 1 Overview +

28:45 Exploring the Ancient Polytheistic Beliefs of the Israelites +

34:02 Discussion of the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Babylon +

37:28 Summary of Genesis 1: Creation of the Heavens and the Earth +

40:17 Conversation Summary: Exploring the Creation of Man in Genesis 1-2 +

42:20 Conversation on Splitting Chapters and Verses in the Bible +

45:34 Conversation between Pastors Bill and Newms on the Nature of the Bible +

47:09 Conversation between Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms on Faith and Eternity +

50:42 Exploring the Significance of Faith in Genesis 1 +

56:29 Conversation Summary: Exploring the Identity of the Conqueror in Revelation 21:7-8 +

1:00:51 "Exploring the Different Translations of the Bible: A Conversation between Pastors Bill and Newms" +

1:05:40 Conversation Between Pastor Newms and Pastor Bill on the Podcast "Ekk House" +

1:07:31 Conversation Summary: Disagreeing and Appreciating New Listeners +

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Pastor Bill:[0:01] Hello and welcome to season 4 episode 11 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms. So last week we had all kinds of technical difficulties that I was completely oblivious to until I went to go listen to the thing. Pastor Newms tried to bring it up at the very, very beginning, but he wasn't as forceful as I, you know, as I actually needed him to be. So I didn't really pick up what he was putting down and I just pushed just ahead Yeah, I was like apologies pastor Newms I should have listened better when you were saying I mean last week and Some people might not have even noticed I'm gonna be honest like it's one of those things where are you kidding me? It was horrible.Pastor Newms:[0:47] Well, it was horrible once it went through well Yeah, it was horrible. But like I'll be honest your audio has sounded worse because of technical like oh it's a bad night so you're in and out oh it's fuzzy cuz discourse so it's one of those where it's like okay how much do I bring up the fact that it could be electrical issues like microphone issues it could just be like the the internet is so garbage there that the laser beam doesn't want to work at the moment like you know we're not using cables in the lane yeah like so I was like maybe you know you know I don't know man I don't know but it um it was yeah I.Pastor Bill:[1:35] Got my retro Justice League shirt onPastor Newms:I do not have a retro shirt on I have a shirt that's from an active anime and manga Which so I bought this shirt, and I didn't wear it I hadn't worn it because I wasn't far enough in the anime to justify wearing an anime shirt if that makes sense I don't know if anyone else does that But so I pulled it out of the back of the closet today and um put it on and my youngest daughter who is Far farther ahead in this particular. Anime than I am she is. Um, where'd that shirt come from? What do you mean? Um, your shirt, you've never worn that shirt. Where did you get that shirt? Uh, is that a... is that a you shirt? Like, asking, is this a you only? Can I steal this shirt when you're not looking? Will you get upset if I steal this shirt when you're not looking? You know, and I'm like, yes it is. It's a me only shirt. I didn't wear it because I wasn't... and she's like, well I mean can you even name the characters on it? I'm like look, you're not weeb-guilting me into giving you the shirt and no I can't name all of them but weeb-guilting? You can't have this shirt so not your shirt and for in case it's my hero academia in case you can't, I realize you can't actually see it But, um... Yeah, so then she proceeds to tell me each person and what their quirk superpower is. And, uh... I think I'm trying to keep it to myself.Pastor Bill:[3:39] Am I in Justice League of America?Pastor Newms:[3:44] It is.Pastor Bill:[3:48] And Batman's got his blue cowl on, so this is more 50s, 60s...Pastor Newms:[3:56] And and that's the you know Weird arrow when they were you know when his costume was I mean sorry Green Lantern when it was a We like it's a different You know Style It's not his.Pastor Bill:[4:19] Black pants, black boots, black mask. Green... uh, green... underwear, green boots.Pastor Newms:[4:27] Bill says it's the... Biggs says it's the 70s.Pastor Bill:[4:32] Did they keep this up all the way through the 70s?Pastor Newms:[4:35] You guys can argue about DC lore later, cause...Pastor Bill:[4:37] I was just basing it off of the Blue Cowl. I know the Blue Cowl...Pastor Newms:[4:48] Um... anyway. I don't know. Oh, he says the 70s is when the Saturday cartoons were showing that style, but that's not necessarily possibly when the books were still using that style. Alright, Pastor Bill, how was your week?Pastor Bill:[5:04] My week... There was rain.Pastor Newms:[5:10] And wind. And storms.Pastor Bill:[5:13] Some roof leakage. I see the water damage in the ceiling above my desk. You know like that discoloration that What's the word Cheat rock gets when it gets wet Yeah Yeah, I had to move my stuff around on my desk and put a big bowl out until the storm stopped because it was tripping just Doop doop doop doop doop doop doop. I was like, oh no, that's not good Your house terrifies me sir Yeah Yeah Yeah, all right nightmare.Pastor Newms:[5:53] It just blew over During the storms like you woke up and the house had gone boop Um hadn't hurt any of y'all because the the house is so old. It just kind of went. Yeah And you guys were able to get out but it just went meh um Okay fell over and everything that fell on us was so weak and brittle. Yeah, it just meh it broke over us. Meh meh meh so um uh yeah it was one of those you have nothing to worry about the house is just gonna go meh and you got nothing to worry about well shelter shelter Okay, my week was good. Um, my week was weird um, I was busy but but like it was an okay busy and then at night I just had stuff all week It was weird. I have stuff a lot more now And it's weird me an invite on Facebook to a Yeah. Sure thing Yeah, that's the men's group at the church and every last Friday last Monday of the month they do a thing and I thought I had sent it to you before but I hadn't so I sent it to you so in case you wanted to watch it because I was sitting in the audience watching it it's good they're a good group very good group I like it I don't dislike like it which is weird because I've been I've been out of organized church for so long it's you know hiding in mega churches not serving not doing anything and then I'm very quickly getting involved more and more the next three Saturdays I actually have things at the church so it's it's good it's it's a it's a good thing but it's a weird thing and like today rain was like I don't like it and I was like why she goes I don't like being out of the house this much we're out of the house way too much at this point like that's my girl but we have to be a little it's okay so um yeah so it was it was a was a good week.Pastor Bill:[8:32] All right. I think it's my week to pull a card.Pastor Newms:[8:35] It is. Okidoki-o. Okidoki-o, pull the card.Pastor Bill:[8:53] That's fair.Pastor Newms:[8:54] Okay. I couldn't see it. It was behind my face. So I'm like, I'm like, what are you doing? Like pull the card? What are you looking at me for homie you said you were full of the car Oh, you're looking at the card that makes much more sense than you staring at my picture Yes, I'm staring at a picture of Newms If you could only eat one food for the rest of your life, what would it be? The problem here is this. It's like I hate your stipulations on these cards. Just answer That's the dadgum question. The easiest answer is pizza.Pastor Bill:[9:38] And the reason that is thingsy.Pastor Newms:[9:39] Well, the problem is Pete exactly Diverse like exactly that's why it's the easy answer So the question like if it's you could only have pepperoni pizza No, I couldn't do that. Like I would end up with a gout flare-up that would rival, you know 15 1600s type gout flare-ups like it would be terrible. But like And you can't answer salad because no or a film Yeah, or some random chemical that because I've been told you can't be allergic to chlorophyll But yet I'm allergic to anything that's green or pretends to be green There are people that are straight-up allergic to water that walk the earth. You can't tell me you can't be allergic to chlorophyll I can't tell you I've been told by physicians and allergists that that's not a thing, but of course You know Hey, he's 80.Pastor Bill:[10:32] It's not a thing until science discovers it. Yeah, and then suddenly they're like hey, it's a new thing And we're like probably not Probably was just really rare.Pastor Newms:[10:41] Yeah, or you just didn't notice it yet Um, yeah, you just hadn't noticed yet Yeah I was actually talking to someone today about dieting and how I need to get back into it and such and it's like but it's really hard at this point of being almost 40 because Like I I can't just have salads and like, you know salads with a little protein and you know, you're good to go Like I can't do it.And so it ends up being like the only valid Option is like a keto style option and that's expensive and It's a tight line to walk with a guarantee two to three week gout flare-up at the beginning Your body gets used to it and actually starts burning the chemicals, the purine protein, So then you stop, you know, like I when I did it like five years ago now, But it's so...Pastor Bill:[11:38] Purine protein, I thought it was an acid issue.Pastor Newms:[11:43] It's, no, it's technically, it's a protein that, so it's a protein that your body then turns into an acid that then you expel. But with...Pastor Bill:[11:56] You don't expel.Pastor Newms:[11:56] I don't expel. It crystallizes. Yeah. But talking about the purine protein half is much more socially acceptable than speaking about the uric acid half because people don't like to talk about bodily fluids. Right. They don't like to equate piss with blood even though that's where pee comes from, from your blood. Yeah. They don't like to... So I usually just stick with the protein side and, oh, and then the kidneys process it wrong for me and then leave it at that as opposed to because people are like why are you talking about that it's like because it's a health issue why are you not um but so it's you know it's one of those it's it's a funny thing is I'm trying to figure out how to get healthier because it's affecting my my side affecting my knees but I find it funny when people drink a bunch of water or you know drink a drink and they're like Man, it's going right through me and I'm like, I mean not technically it's not technically going right through you technically What's happening is your your body is is breaking down more blood into urea in?Pastor Bill:[13:13] Preparation for the intake of the liquids that you're in taking But that liquid you're in taking is not actually leaving the stuff that you drank before is leaving But it's from your blood anyway Anyway, it's not going right for you.Pastor Newms:[13:27] It's just, that's not how it works. weird aspect though because it.Pastor Bill:[13:35] It appears very quickly, like certain beverages and certain things affect very quickly because you're some of it your body's just like uh-uh and so like the first round around the body your body's like I'm it's out it went through your whole body but your body's like it's out like I ain't putting this in like there's some things that there's some things that we literally had to add I can't remember the chemical name for it now but it's basically antifreeze in the chemical makeup we had to add it to it so that our body would hold it and not just straight drop it like a lot of vitamins a lot of minerals you know those pills will have that additive additive chemical that is you know identical to antifreeze under a microscope but isn't actually the antifreeze that forces your body to hold on to it instead of just flushing it out the bottom.Pastor Newms:[14:38] Yeah, that's always interesting. The body is weird. The human body is really, really weird.Pastor Bill:[14:45] Like when you get dehydrated and your body's like, must flush all liquids now I'm dehydrated.Pastor Newms:[14:51] Oop, you're gone. Wait, wait, you're yep. You're gone I'm back. Yep.Pastor Bill:[15:00] You're back now Must flush all liquids is the last thing we have helpful to flush all the liquids when you're dehydrated body Yes, but how do I tell you that? I need more liquids. Yeah, I'm pretty sure by the point the body dumps So I'm I already know I already know.Pastor Newms:[15:16] Yeah, I Don't I don't need extra alarms, I know But do we Cuz I'll be sick and just ignoring the fact that I need to drink something until I stop sweating and then I'm like, oh I'm not sweating no more That's a problem.Pastor Bill:[15:34] You know those old cartoons where they're honest a desert island and one cartoon character looks at over at the other and They start looking like a big ham This water bottle here next to my bed That's on my desk when I when I'm getting low on water man And that thing starts to look like salvation. Like I'm like, it's like glowing gold halo, you know? And it's like, oh, when I look at my water jug, oh yeah, I need to drink some water.Pastor Newms:[16:01] No, I don't, I don't, I don't got that. So what food, what food would you, would you eat forever?Pastor Bill:[16:08] Salad, I would just, I would eat salad. I, the only reason I, I like to have at least a salad a day. The only times I don't is when we can't afford it Because salad is expensive but but yeah, I would have They go help in a salad for every meal I love salad man. You always have it's great I'll live oil on there some a little bit of salt a little bit of garlic and that's the other thing you Can bet you don't put a lot in your salad even it's not even like it's just it's gross, homie some lettuce and spinach some I don't know just add a little color in there and just yeah, I'm into it.Pastor Newms:[16:53] My stomach hurts thinking about it.Pastor Bill:[16:56] And when I eat, when I eat a salad everyday I feel amazing compared to when I don't. You know, just at least one salad a day and my body's just like yeah well yeah, it's cause it's a salad, it's what I would We covered this last week. This is what we're supposed to be eating is clean healthy Salads and greens not But yeah fatty bacon every morning if I could afford it or they were just gonna provide the food I would eat a salad at every meal. Struggle to say that I would give up meat if salad was an option at every meal I but I probably wouldn't have any qualms about that.Pastor Newms:[17:39] I probably could You come over to Jerry and I submit having a salad with it at every meal instead of Anything else but it's just so dang expensive and and yeah it is and the amount you have to Have is expensive also because the caloric intake is not high on it Which is why the additives like the girls love the chicken Caesar Salads, I think it is I guess the Caesar and you know, it comes with the little thing and it They're good for like, you know a day after you buy them if you're lucky because of Farm to table is not great on salads and you would think it would be with how expensive it is, but it's not Well, it's not necessarily farm to table The problem is it's it's all the hands in between right from farm to when it finally gets to right? That's what I'm saying. It's it's not we don't have just farm to table We have you know that did that did that did that did that did that did that did that did that to us in between?Pastor Bill:[18:52] Yeah Anywho, and it appears that says yeah says your mother eats it without salad dressing. I had forgotten that but that doesn't surprise me. That's why I put on the olive oil. That is my salad dressing just a little bit of olive oil and some salt and garlic. That's my that is my salad dressing like I couldn't I can't stand the thought of adding on all those empty calories with the salad dressing just for the sake of some just weak flavoring.Pastor Newms:[19:29] Some of those calories are very big calories. They're not empty. Some of them are very fatty.Pastor Bill:[19:36] They're big, but they're empty.Pastor Newms:[19:37] I'm joking. I know what you meant. It was just... That like buttermilk ranch is a very heavy additive of... I know that's what you meant by... buy it. All right.Pastor Bill:[20:07] The whole new USB setup over here at my desk because I bumped the desk the wrong way. Something disconnects and the daisy chain goes down. The daisy chain goes down like I'm using a laptop. That's only got two USB ports What's has to be the camera and the other one has to be a daisy chain that that works the? Keyboard the mouse the microphone Everything else is on this little port over here And if I bump the desk the wrong way the whole thing goes down And then we got to wait for it to come back up again And then we wonder why the expensive computer that we bought just burnt out sitting in your house for some unknown reason in your house electricity just expensive computer had lots of USB ports it did it did but your run a mouse and a keyboard and a microphone no I know I I don't mean because of your daisy chain I mean because of the electricity in your house and the you know the.Pastor Newms:[21:09] The leaking roof and when a computer fries to a point where everything in it fries at once that that's an issue it's so hard to actually happen because of all the transistors and little safety things that are in each of the parts to keep that from happening and the whole big block of power supply that's whole job is to I protect computer and you had a nice one and it just Because I was worried about that exact issue and I Don't know how it happened because it happened when it wasn't even storming So that was the that was like like had the house got hit by electricity I would have been like yeah, it happens, but it wasn't it was everything everything in this house goes down quickly Like we were you and I was you and I were talking the other day about the last time we had an electrician come out He was like, yeah.Pastor Bill:[22:11] Oh This fuse box was outlawed like 20 years ago You know, I'm technically not even supposed to work on this thing Well, what am I supposed to do? But yeah, like we burn through microwaves real fast. We go through ovens real fast. I mean, we had to find creative. Like right now we have one burner that works on our stove top and then we have two air fryers and a microwave and a griddle. And that's how we cook everything because the oven doesn't work. The other three burners don't work because they all got burned out by the electricity because the electricity is crazy in this house.Pastor Newms:[22:50] Anyway.Pastor Bill:[22:56] So that's how my week was. Oh yeah, we're past that. Big says, have to kill the dirt flavor. Bigs, if your salad tastes like dirt, either A, you're buying from a crappy company, or B, you need to clean your food before you eat it, bro. Just rinse that salad off. Rinse the lettuce or something. It shouldn't taste like dirt unless you're eating beets. Beets just taste like dirt. Or dragon fruit. and fruit seeds those taste like dirt too. If you're just having a regular old salad, it shouldn't taste like dirt I think that's more of just a Colloquialism not an actual Oh, you don't think he means it actually means it tastes like because I was being like beets actually tastes like dirt and so the dragon fruit seeds well potatoes, I mean Lettuce doesn't even grow in the ground.Pastor Newms:[23:49] So if you're eating the part that's in the ground you you've done something wrong already but um I think he I think he just means that whole like it's rabbit food. It tastes like dirt. Um Uh, listen god made dirt dirt don't hurt it does man, it does though The microbes that are in dirt can kill you And speed up the decompressing If you've never built up an immune system If you don't go outside and touch grass, yeah, it does. You're right Like there's this internet thing about you you've been inside too long go touch grass and like I Had I need to go touch some grass and kill you and I'm like, okay I was like I've been inside they're like you need to go outside and I'm like I can't Like the Sun if I'm out there for more than seven minutes I burn and And if I actually touch grass, I'm gonna have a rash so All these you know, these people are like, oh if you just go stand and center yourself in the grass and connect with Mother Nature I'll die. At least I'm not a leadership black pepper,Pastor Bill:[25:07] Thanks Yeah, glad it works for you, um Mother nature's trying to kill me At least All right, so we're in this series where we've been going through the beginning And we did you know, we started in Genesis and we touched on John chapter 1 and we came back to Genesis and Last week we reached the very end of Genesis chapter 1 And so tonight we're just gonna look back at Genesis 1 and do a summary. We're gonna do an overcap we're gonna just talk in general about Genesis 1, right? And so If you remember when we started the series we talked about kind of the history of how Genesis 1 became a part of the book of Genesis and Do you remember what we said, Pastor Newms?Pastor Newms:[26:12] Huh? This is your turn to talk. No, I mean, it... The story from Genesis 1 was kind of added in... Um... to the aspects during the time of captivity in Babylon from the Babylonian stories, because it was like, hey, those line up really well with what we've got written in Genesis 2 already, and they specify some things better than what Genesis 2 does because Genesis 2 is very generic in some of the things it says. So yeah, this has more detail. Let's use it. That makes sense.Pastor Bill:[26:53] You more or less painted the picture. You got a little sloppy around the lines there, but yeah, that's the general idea. Before they went into captivity, the creation story started with what We would call Genesis chapter 2 they didn't call it Genesis chapter 2 They just called it the creation of man they didn't have chapters then either so they just called it laughter the book That's scroll over there That's good. Well, it wasn't even scrolls really. That's true It kind of was by that point. So why were they in captivity in Babylon? What happened there?Pastor Newms:[27:34] One of the many times they screwed up. Alright.Pastor Bill:[27:40] So what happened is that throughout history the Judean people, which there technically weren't Judeans yet, we're talking about the ancestors of the Judean people who eventually settled in Judea and then became the Jews. They were a polytheistic people. They had multiple gods and they worshiped multiple gods and they believed in multiple gods and despite their oral passing down of religion and despite what they believed the Mosaic Law read and despite all of these things, they were still polytheistic and they continued to go back to worshiping other gods over and over and over even though we see over and over and over gods going, no, focus, you know, me, focus on me. So it got to this one point where... A female deity known as Ashra, who the ancient peoples believed was the wife of the god Yahweh. Now you should recognize the name Yahweh because that is actually the name of two historical entities. One is a Sumerian wind god that the Sumerians believed was the god of storms and wind and weather and that he blew through the deserts with his rage and his fury. And then Yahweh is also the name that God identifies with themselves when they're speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai. They call themselves Yahweh. And it's not so much that they call themselves Yahweh, but it's that God releases a series of sounds that then Moses writes down and when humans go to repeat those series of sounds it comes out as Yahweh. And more specifically it is I AM or I EXIST. And if you drill down into the, you know, more into what they're saying there it's I exist because I want to basically. There was nothing and then there was me. I am. And so we have this idea of Yahweh who people believed was married to a goddess named Asherah. And Asherah had become very popular amongst the people of Israel, the descendants of Israel. And Asherah poles, think of like a maple with the long strings, the ribbons, you know, that you've You've seen them in the Germanic and the Nordic cultures, the Maple, and they run around them with the ribbons, and they tie them off. It's still part of Norse mythology celebrations today even in the places where they believe in the Norse religions, the Maple thing. They don't always call it a Maple and they definitely don't call it an Ashrop Hall. But this is what the idea was. They had these Ashera poles and they were burning incense to Ashera and they were worshiping Ashera alongside of Yahweh and it had yet identified her as you know the wife of God So this was going on and God told them to cut it out multiple tops Multiple times you got to stop doing this you got to stop doing that people would tear them down Okay, people would rebuild them people would tear them down So God says, okay, that's enough. So, um, God hands them over to the King of Babylon, right? Puts them into slavery. And it's not one of those things where you're like, nah, God wouldn't do that. No, no. When you look back at history, God always chastises, corrects, puts back on the right path his own people. Period. If your theology tells you that God is just going to spoil you and give you good things, then you've only got half of your theology right. Because the other half of that is that God is a good Father that disciplines his children. God wants to give you the cattle on a thousand hills, but God will also send you away to go eat in the slop in the pig's troughs for a while before you decide to come home like the prodigal son. This is how God offered.Pastor Newms:[32:38] Okay.Pastor Bill:[32:40] So God sends them into captivity. Now there is a small group of people up in the mountains where the Babylonians, not a mountainous people can't get to they're like now that's not worth it right babelans you're like we're not doing it there's no slave worth climbing those mountains we're not doing that now these people their descendants go on to be the Samaritans right so we see that play out in the New Testament their descendants Americans the people that continue to worship Asherah up on the mountain. Now, eventually, they gave up Asherah and they have their own experiences with God that we don't have the recordings of, but we do have the woman at the well talking to Jesus who's like, but we follow this law and we follow this law and our forefather, Jacob, he told us this and this and we're expecting the Messiah. And they had their own whole history and experiences with God that rival that of the actual Israelites that we do have recorded in the Bible. So it's kind of interesting there. But while in Babylon, the people are exposed to this idea that monotheism is paramount. Now the god that the Babylonians wanted them to worship was their king, right? They wanted them to worship their king, the god their king, because all the other gods had quote unquote died so that this god could be king. But they didn't quite buy that. But they saw in the histories of the Babylonians who had adopted a lot of Sumerian myth and take a look at that and they go, this story makes a whole lot of sense with what we know. And not only that, but it's got greater detail, right? Because when you go and you look at Genesis chapter 2, it's kind of broad strokes, right? God created man and God created the animals and there's nothing about when that happens. There's, you know, it's not a lot of detail there. It's very broad. And so it's very broad. It's very broad and you can see their connection. A lot of people call it contradiction. There's contradictions between these two accounts and I'm like but is there though I mean are you just looking for contradictions or or what Okay. So they pick up this this new story that we know of as Genesis one and they uh adapt it and they adopt it and they they make They make some changes to the story right um But not a lot. Um Um, that's not even true they they make a lot of changes to the story to make it more palatable to the Jewish ear.Pastor Newms:[36:08] And to help align.Pastor Bill:[36:09] To help align with Genesis 2.Pastor Newms:[36:12] Yeah.Pastor Bill:[36:13] I have the story over there, but it's kind of convoluted and confusing for the Western ear, so I'm not going to pull that out. So let's read Genesis chapter 1, and then we'll go from there. That's Okay. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And we had fun with that one. We spent a whole episode on just Genesis 1. Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the water. Then God said, Let there be light, and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. There was an evening, and there was a morning, one day. Then God said, Let there be an expanse between the waters, separating water from water. So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above the expanse. And it was so. God called the expanse sky. Evening came and then morning, the second day. Then God said, let the water under the sky be gathered into one place and let the dry land appear. Mention the video and start the video. I lost my place. Oh, and it was so. God called the dry land earth and the gathering of the water he called seas. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, Let the earth produce vegetation, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And it was so. The earth produced vegetation, seed-bearing plants according to their kinds, and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. Evening came and then morning, the third day. Then God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky, separate the day from the night. They will serve as signs for seasons and for days and years. There will be lights in the expanse of the sky to provide light on the earth, and it was so. God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule over the day and the lesser light to rule over the night, as well as the stars. God placed them in the expanse of the sky to provide light on the earth, to rule the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness, and God saw that it was good. Morning came and then morning, the fourth day. Then God said, Let the waters swarm with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky. So God created the large sea creatures and every living creature that moves and swarms in the water, according to their kinds. He also created every winged creature according to its kind, and God saw that it was good. God blessed them, be fruitful, multiply, and fill the waters of the sea, and let the birds multiply on the earth. Evening came, and then morning, the fifth day. Then God said, let the earth produce living creatures according to their kinds, livestock, creatures that crawl, and the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so. So God made the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that crawl on the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, Let us make man in our image according to our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, the whole earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth. So God created man in his own image. He created him in the image of God. He created the male and female. God blessed them and God said to them, Be fruitful. Multiply, fill the earth and subdue it, rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and every creature that crawls on the earth. God also said, Look, I have given you every seed-bearing plant on the surface of the entire earth and every tree whose fruit contains seed. This will be food for you. For all the wildlife of the earth, for every bird of the sky, and for every creature that crawls on the earth, everything having the breath of life in it, I have given. Every green plant for food, and it was so. God saw all that he had made, and it was very good indeed. Evening came, and then morning, the sixth day.", Okay. Anything jump out at you there that you wanted to talk about again? Highlights that you want to make sure that we walk away with?Pastor Newms:[41:39] Um... In seriousness, no. Um, in funny internet meme, my only thought was at what point did the birds get replaced by the robots? Um, but, um...Pastor Bill:[42:00] That was within the last century, bro.Pastor Newms:[42:02] I know, I'm just saying, like, you know, it was one of those, I was like, hee hee, Birds aren't real. So... You have to have a CIA because the CIA can replace the birds with robots. Right. Yeah. So it has to be after man. No, I mean we've talked about it. So there's nothing really that jumps out at me today differently than how it has over the last couple of weeks. Sometimes that does happen. Let's be honest. honest. But no, I mean, I think it's pretty, it's pretty cut and dry. I do always find it interesting and I don't necessarily like where chapters and verses are split. When we split our chapters and verses? Like, why do we not end? 2 3 as the end of one like that's where one should end Like we shouldn't start the next with and God rests on the seventh day well that but it he should rest at the end because the end is the You did that because you wanted Sunday to be the day of rest which is the first day of the week didn't yeah But you know, it's that whole aspect of like come on that that's part of the whole the same story and, so that that um, that part always irritates me, but that's not what we Talked about I always hate that that Genesis one ends with and the sixth day We got more to go This part of the story is not over So, agreed. That nope, you're gone. I'm back. Okay, cool.Pastor Bill:[44:02] You're back. Genesis one is not a Christian text. Genesis one is not a Jewish text. Genesis one is what? It's ancient Babylonian creation myth.Pastor Newms:[44:17] Right.Pastor Bill:[44:20] To me so is two through one through three if you're saying it from that standpoint but Well, yeah, cuz they went and added the numbers later, but anyway So when we read Genesis one, we're not reading the the point-blank account of God Of Yahweh of how creation happened. We're reading the Caption of the Babylonian creation myth and this one This is one of the reasons why we were using a plural for God Because the Babylonians they were polytheistic Right? And then became monotheistic when they started having the God Kings. And so you've got this weird thing. And the beauty of it all is it requires faith. I don't need faith, or I shouldn't need faith, when I crack open a history textbook. When I crack open a history textbook, I should just be reading fact.Pastor Newms:[45:34] Right?Pastor Bill:[45:36] Should.Pastor Newms:[45:37] Sure.Pastor Bill:[45:38] I'm not saying every history textbook is like that. I'm saying that's the expectation. Because when I open a history textbook or a science textbook, I should be reading fact.Pastor Newms:[45:48] Sure.Pastor Bill:[45:48] There's no faith that should need to be involved. Should need to be involved. This, the Bible, is not written under that assumption. This is not intended to be a historical document. This is intended to be taken by faith. Can't stress this hard enough. I don't know.Pastor Newms:[46:17] Well, the Bible plainly says we pull you apart what All scripture is god-breathed and for the use of teaching preach, you know You know all the you know, we've we've beat that verse To death and I don't want to butcher because I don't have it in front of me but it's it's the you know, there are certain and And to be historically accurate is not in that list. It's to teach, to have faith for religious purposes. It's a religious book. And so we build our faith on it. Is some of it historical?Pastor Bill:[46:53] Absolutely.Pastor Newms:[46:56] Is some of it poetry? Yes. Is some of it stories written down? Yes. Is some of it letters from one homeboy to another? Yes.Pastor Bill:[47:09] But man, I left my Coke.Pastor Newms:[47:10] Can you send that with so-and-so when they leave? But in that, there are aspects. But one of the biggest things about all of it is it requires faith. Because for any of it to be true, you have to believe it. Now me, as a natural born skeptic, I don't view the world as you do. And I don't trust anybody ever. And so I have to have faith in some people. Because my natural is this ain't true. But it's written down. Doesn't mean it's true. Doesn't mean it's true. But it's documented. It's got date and timestamps. Hacker can fix that. I don't... We're dealing with programmers, no historical accuracy can be proved sometimes. But that being said, the aspects of... It takes faith to believe this. It takes faith to walk it out. And the bigger aspect, as you're mentioning, is it's not just faith to believe, it's faith to actually walk it out. Because people are like, oh, well, this is just the creation story. There's not much, you know, in it. But no, there's a lot of in it because you've got things like, you know, dominion. You've got things like, there's a bunch of concepts that are deeper meanings than just, hey, here you go, that you look at with some of these heavy-weighted words that we miss when we just... And for those of you out there in audioland, is when you move your hand from the top to the bottom, so when you're just looking at it, just so we're clear on... Because I forget often that that doesn't translate in... It'd be fun to see what the transcription service makes of...Pastor Bill:[49:16] Let's see how many more times I can do it. I'm fed up with all the transcription services. It's crazy.Pastor Newms:[49:21] Is the new one not working again?Pastor Bill:[49:24] It worked that first time and then I couldn't get it to work again. It kept just not accepting any new input. and I was like this is crazy. Hmm.Pastor Newms:[49:39] Because it was nice.Pastor Bill:[49:40] It was so nice and I want it so bad. Um. She's I don't know, serving me crazy. I'm looking up a specific. Verse here. Do there's a verse in Revelations It talks about all the people that won't have a place in eternity.Pastor Newms:[50:16] And I'm assuming by place in eternity you mean place in heaven because everyone has a place It's just not everyone's place is as nice as everyone else's some of them their eternal place is death in hell so it's like Not it's a place eternal death, that's crazy Oh, here we go.Pastor Bill:[50:42] Okay So the whole point of all of this of everything from the very beginning is faith. Without faith it's impossible to please God. The whole point of life, the whole point of living, the whole point of creating humanity was faith. We're going to teach these, we're going to put these things out there. They're going to be a lesser shadow of us, God said. This whole point is to learn faith. We're intentionally ignorant. So that we can learn faith. So that we can step into eternity with God. I shudder to say equal footing, but it's almost like that. It's almost like if we're not at this certain level with God, then we can't step into eternity with Him. But what I was thinking about was Revelation chapter 21. And we're going to start at verse 8. And I want everyone to just stick with me. But the cowards, faithless, detestable murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars. Their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is second death. The takeaway from this verse that I've seen over and over and over is weaponization. People have used this as a weapon against other people over and over and over and over. But what it is, is a statement on identity politics. These are all identity statements. A coward is an identity. Faithless is an identity. Detestable identity. Murderers is an identity. The sexually immoral is an identity. Sorcerers is an identity. Idolaters is an identity. Liars is an identity. And everyone at some point in their life falls into one of these identities. They can be identified or identifies themselves as something in this list. But faith. And Christ came to set us free and to show us what faith really is and how faith really is. And when we find faith and we find that faith of salvation in Christ, this is not our identities anymore. Who once was a coward is now a faithful follower of Christ. Who once was a, faithless person a liar is now faithful. This whole point of this verse is identity. Because the whole point of life is faith. When you achieve that faith that Christ was talking about, that certain level of faith that Jesus said could only be achieved through Him, that becomes your new identity. Am I cis or homosexual or heterosexual or fat or ugly or a coward or faithless or a murderer? None of those things anymore because I'm first and foremost faithful. Does that mean I'm no longer cis or I'm no longer homosexual, no longer heterosexual? Well, according to the gospel that Jesus preached, that Paul then triumphed, all those secondary identities that we try to define ourselves by mean nothing once your identity is faithful. And that is my big takeaway as to why Genesis 1 is so important. It's here in these words that we see this fantastical outlay of when this happened and this happened and the world was a giant ball of cesspool that God hovered over and warred against the darkness. It takes a lot of faith to read that and go, I believe, even though this isn't a textbook, even though this isn't a historical document, even though this isn't any of those things that people try to make this that takes it out of the context that it exists in, That's where I see Genesis 1 laying. It's the foundation of faith. And that's my takeaway.Pastor Newms:[56:29] And you know, sometimes we disagree on things, as we do. And I'm going to disagree with you for a second, because you should have started in seven. And here's why I say that. Eight starts with a but, so while you were talking I of course went above because I hate starting with buts. And seven says the one who conquers will inherit these things. These things being what's talked about in six, well actually what's talked about in five of creating everything new.Pastor Bill:[57:07] We should have started in five?Pastor Newms:[57:09] Well, five starts with a then, so you'd have to go above. Anyway, we're not, should have started in Genesis one, oh wait. So, the one who conquers will inherit these things and I will be his God and he will be my son. And we often talk about how words are, eh? And this is one of the times I actually agree more with the KJV or the NASB's translation. Because Conqueror is, I understand the use of Conqueror, and I understand the use of what the KJV uses, which is overcome. Both of which are accurate because it's overcoming through Conquering. So they're both accurate translations, neither one of them is not. But the important part there is the ones that do meaning they you know I will in six it's I will freely give the thirsty from the spring of water of life the one who conquers will inherit these things so like what you're talking about of having faith and the identity of the people in eight. The people who have conquered. By conquering their identity issues and stepping over those aspects will become, and technically that he is person and the son is child. So they will be children of God. That is the identity that they should be, not the identity of all the other things that are listed in the next verse. And so it's when you really look at, when you start looking at identity and looking at what we call ourselves and how we act and how we, like you were saying, and then you take that one step further of the ones that conquer, the ones that grab ahold of being my children and that being who they are, they will not be the cowards, the faithless, detestable because it takes faith. And I find the coward to be fun because that can also be translated faithless. So it's the cowards because of lack of faith and the unbelieving people because they don't have faith. Both are both, both of the first two are really people who don't have faith. It's two different aspects of not having faith. Being afraid because you don't have faith and not agreeing because you don't have faith. And so it's that interestingness of looking at those two words, that list of identities, and then translating that back to what's the important identity that we should be grasping. And we've talked about this before, of our identity should be follower of Christ, Son of God, not Son of God being Son of God, but Son of God as children of God, let's be clear there. You call yourself the Son of God, you need to check yourself. Anyway, so I just found that to be interesting, some interesting aspect as you were reading 8 and explaining, you know, the identity aspects of those. That Seven then is and of course as you mentioned and the important is six and then above that is the important is five and then we have to go to four and Then we end up in Genesis one.Pastor Bill:[1:00:51] Yeah, I found the wording of seven interesting just overall is It should be in my opinion the victorious Will Become heirs of of everything. And then it says, I shall personally be their God and the same. Will be my and in context that shouldn't be the word son it should be in our modern language descendants it's a figurative kinship like a child a foul a son um it's not not meaning direct child direct son direct it means right a descendant you know like a grandfather would look at his grandson well he's still saying the word son you know he would that's my son that's my you know You know, it's my grandson. It's that kind of a word. But yeah, it's interesting the choices they make when they translate certain things that really goes a lot into the politics of the day and the way they saw things.Pastor Newms:[1:02:04] I find it funny that the CSB translates one of the ones he. One of the he's one and one of the he's he, as opposed to just saying person both times or one both times. Whereas the KJV does he both and the NASB does he once and one once. So I find that kind of stuff to be interesting when you look at the people that are doing the translation. The words are slightly different because it's overcome error.Pastor Bill:[1:02:36] One of the interesting things about the TSP is they have that the whole panel of inter-denominational people that all have to sign had to sign off on each verse.Pastor Newms:[1:02:51] Yeah.Pastor Bill:[1:02:52] The translation of each verse. So even in that, there are certain ways that it phrases things that it's like, oh yeah, I know exactly which denomination refused to sign off until you put that word there.Pastor Newms:[1:03:07] Well, and you know, it's one of the things that are so interesting about the translation of the Bible when as we talk about stuff, one who, the one who overcomes, the one who conquers, he that overcometh in the three versions that I keep up all the time. All of that is just the one word for the, for. To subdue literally conqueror overcomer prevail Someone who gets the victory so it's it's that aspect of it's it's one word that we've got to translate between four and Three and four words to get it to understand for an English reader to just go Okay because Conqueror doesn't necessarily mean the one who, but on the same token, it does. So it's that it's that sometimes if we were to just do a word for word translation, like some people have done in the past, it's hard to read because the word for word doesn't flow because English has a flow to it because of how many other languages we bastardized to get to where we are. But that's one of those things that's interesting when you have a half sentence, technically a full sentence. He that overcomeeth is a full sentence, kind of.Pastor Bill:[1:04:39] That is a full sentence, it really is.Pastor Newms:[1:04:43] It's one word. It is, it's one word in the original. Interesting. That is.Pastor Bill:[1:04:54] But okay so we are not going to do the topic according to AI this week but if you are interested in seeing what the AI's what the AI had to say about the summary of the seven different concordances that I read I will put it in the transcription on this podcast so you can go find that it'll be there and you're gone again. Paragraphs long, six paragraphs. If you want to go find that in the transcription I'll make sure it's there. Even if I can't get a good transcription to add on I'll go ahead and put this in there and mark.Pastor Newms:[1:05:40] Okay, so, um, Pastor Bill is at this point just gone. He's talking, but it is not working.Pastor Bill:[1:05:47] This is those little green things lit up the whole time. I never lost my little green box.Pastor Newms:[1:05:52] It didn't send it to us though. Weird. So the the aspects, Pastor Bill is going to put the thing that Pastor Newms hates, which is the AI interpretation into the transcript, whether or not you always hate my noobs. I do hate it. I just don't Anyway, um have fun describing growl also, um the And then pastor bill was saying Now he's back so he can just say what he was saying about next time and joining us and all that Festo is the podcast that comes out once a week on On Wednesdays at 7 p.m.Pastor Bill:[1:06:34] Central Standard Time hopefully I can stop saying standard at some point if they'll ever actually standardize the time in the US and um Passion is shaking said no it won't happen and we record it live on Sunday nights at 630 p.m Central Standard Time if you'd like to join us for that live recording you can go to our website e ekk house and find out which twitch which YouTube and which Facebook we are live on and then you can watch as we broadcast live and Participate in the chat you can type out your messages questions concerns Contradictions, whatever and we can respond to them right then and there live on the podcast and in that way you can actually be a part of the conversation If this podcast has helped you or you found it informative you think someone else might like it then feel free to send it over to them. We like new listeners and we don't like just being a echo chamber over here. Echo chambers are bad. Echo chambers are bad, you know. And so we appreciate new people coming in and new looks on life and we do our best not to sound condescending even though both of us have kind of that personality where We're pretty much everything we say usually comes across as sounding condescending, but we truly don't mean it that way. We truly do love sharing what we do know and we are open to people seeing things a different way. Like in this conversation, we disagreed on something and that's fine. It wasn't that big of a thing that we disagreed on, but we have disagreed on big things in the past between the two of us and we've both sounded like pompous jerks discussing it. In the end, there's only one thing we all have to agree on. I didn't know you said it like a In the end there's only the one thing that we have to agree on agree on and that's the salvation issue. The one the faith in Christ alone for salvation. That's the one thing everything else you're allowed to see anything from scripture the way you want to and we may come back at you and say, hey, well, you know, historically this or this other verse says this, and we're not trying to demean you, we're just trying to, what's the word, we add more things to someone's purview so they can see all the information. Expand, we're just trying to expand the information that you have if we have more information. So yeah, so come and join us and all of that to say we're not jerks, we're just slightly autistic. Alright, so we love you guys. Have a great week.Pastor Newms:[1:09:25] I love the be safe out there while you pretend to be just slightly.Pastor Bill:[1:09:30] And until next time. My collar has been has been bugging. I'm really aware of my collar all night. Which is bugging the heck out of me.Pastor Newms:[1:09:38] I'm nothing to do like what we've already talked about. My collar is seriously bugging all night long. And you gave me no pause so this will end up happen to be in the outgoing.Pastor Bill:[1:09:47] Yeah, well, I know. That's exactly what I intended.

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In this episode:

Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss Genesis 1:24-25 from the Christian Standard Bible, in which God commands the earth to produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, wildlife, and creatures that crawl on the ground. They discuss the Hebrew word nehfesh, which is used to denote the soul or spirit of a living creature, and how it is used in the passage to describe the living creatures. They also discuss how the words for “whales” and “birds” were translated differently in the KJV and CSB, noting that in the KJV, the word for “whales” actually refers to a monster or sea serpent. Finally, Pastor Newms jokes that some fish are given a soul, but not all.

Pastor Bill and Pastor Newms discuss the creation of the world as described in the Bible in Genesis. God created livestock, reptiles, and wildlife according to their kinds. God gave them their portions and saw that it was good. They discussed how God personally made the things, rather than just commanding them to exist. They further distinguished that God saw that it was good, rather than looking within himself and recognizing it.

Pastors Bill and Newms discuss the breakdown of two verses from the Bible, Genesis 1:24-25. In these verses, God creates various animals, including cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the Earth, and declares them to be good. The authors note that the creation of animals was necessary for the arrival of man, as they serve various purposes such as transportation, food, and commerce. They also highlight the special relationship that humans have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. Pastor Bill then delivers the topic according to AI, where he fed the viewpoints of seven different commentaries into Chat GPT and got a synopsis on what they all cover. The pastors also talk about the Wizard of Oz reference in the episode title.

Pastors Bill and Newms discuss the lack of mention of dinosaurs in the book of Genesis. Pastor Newms explains that this is likely because the text was written by Babylonians, who would not have known of dinosaurs since they were extinct by that point. Pastor Bill then points out that some theologians have narrowed the descriptions of 'great beasts' in the Bible to modern animals. Pastor Newms adds that if we look at the Bible from the standpoint that everything was created at the same time, dinosaurs would be considered creeping things or monstrous sea creatures. Ultimately, the conversation concludes that Genesis one is likely a retelling of the story with added in details from the rest of the book.

Timestamps:0:26:18 Conversation Summary: Genesis 1:24-25

0:30:59 Conversation on the Creation of Livestock, Reptiles, and Wildlife in the Bible

0:33:56 Conversation Summary: 6th Day of Creation in the Bible

0:40:29 Conversation Between Pastors Bill and Newms on the Absence of Dinosaurs in Genesis One

0:43:15 Conversation on the Babylonian Account of Creation in Genesis One

0:48:58 Heading: The Weaponization of Scripture: A Conversation on Creationism and Apologetics

0:50:33 Conversation on Faith and Science

Transcription:

[0:00:00] Pastor Newms: Face Live.

[0:00:02] Pastor Bill: Face live. You can see my awesome shirt. This is one of the shirts my mama got me for my birthday.

[0:00:09] Pastor Newms: I see a shirt. Yes.

[0:00:11] Pastor Bill: My wife says it looks like a hotel quilt pattern on the shirt.

[0:00:18] Pastor Newms: I don't think it's the hotel quilt, but it is definitely. If it was beige, I would agree that it looks like the curtains. That says several hotels I've got, but I haven't seen a blue like that. I mean, if the material is right, it's a good shirt. Material ain't a good shirt.

[0:00:34] Pastor Bill: I like it.

[0:00:36] Pastor Newms: It's one of those things, really, to a certain degree. We're at the age where it's like, does the design truly matter?

[0:00:46] Pastor Bill: No, comfort matters. That's what matters. It's all about comfort, folks. Yeah. It's like, let nobody lie to you.

[0:00:59] Pastor Newms: But yes. So, Pastor Bill, how was your week?

[0:01:04] Pastor Bill: My week was pretty good, as you know. We took last Sunday off. We didn't record a new podcast last Sunday. Not only was it the littlest shay's birthday, like, straight up, his birthday proper, but then the Super Bowl. So we hung out, enjoyed his birthday, we watched the Super Bowl commercials. The second half of the Super Bowl was quite compelling. The Eagles were putting up a crazy defense, and it wasn't enough, but it was entertaining enough that it caught my attention.

[0:01:49] Pastor Newms: That is crazy. I did not even watch the commercials. I didn't even watch the commercials. Yeah, I straight up. Just nothing this year with it.

[0:01:59] Pastor Bill: The highlights of the commercials were there were a lot of big-name faces.

[0:02:05] Pastor Newms: Oh, really? They went that route?

[0:02:07] Pastor Bill: Yeah. And QR codes.

[0:02:10] Pastor Newms: Really?

[0:02:10] Pastor Bill: Almost every company had a QR code in the commercial. Aren't we like this now?

[0:02:16] Pastor Newms: Like five years past that? Like, where are we?

[0:02:19] Pastor Bill: And actually, they're finally catching up to the rest of us.

[0:02:23] Pastor Newms: As far as QR codes aren't QR cards already dead?

[0:02:28] Pastor Bill: Yeah, they died about ten years ago, and corporations are just now getting there to the pre-death of QR code. That's funny.

[0:02:40] Pastor Newms: Yeah, that's so funny.

[0:02:45] Pastor Bill: What else do you do? I spent a lot of time working on some social media marketing for a book publication that came out that I wrote a short story that got put in. So I spent a lot of time working on that. That's about it. Hanging out with the family, and working on marketing stuff now.

[0:03:08] Pastor Newms: I didn't understand what it has to do with strawberries.

[0:03:16] Pastor Bill: One of the stories in the anthology is The Selection of a Sacred Strawberry. So they should name the whole collection of stories after that one. Either that was their favorite or I don't know, something that's the main one, or something, I guess.

[0:03:36] Pastor Newms: I mean, I've never particularly been fond of strawberries or sweet bread, and I'm not big on festivals, but it's one.

[0:03:46] Pastor Bill: Of those things he's quoting from the short story or talking about the short story that I wrote.

[0:03:54] Pastor Newms: You don't know that. You didn't send it to me.

[0:04:00] Pastor Bill: I sent you the name. I sent you all the pertinent information.

[0:04:03] Pastor Newms: You did not send me the short story, so how would I know?

[0:04:12] Pastor Bill: I didn't send you this one. You could have gotten it on Kindle or Unlimited. This one could have ordered like this. There you go. He's got a copy. My copy comes in tomorrow.

[0:04:24] Pastor Newms: Actually, I made Groggy go through. So at the beginning of the book, there's an excerpt, a little thing about each writer.

[0:04:36] Pastor Bill: Right.

[0:04:37] Pastor Newms: The weird thing is, one of three who their name is not in the first four words, so it almost makes it look like a second paragraph about the previous person.

[0:04:59] Pastor Bill: That's funny.

[0:05:02] Pastor Newms: But.

[0:05:04] Pastor Bill: A little 53-word biography that I've crafted for use in my.

[0:05:10] Pastor Newms: Guess would be so there's 28 literary pieces. My guess would be that's the winner winner.

[0:05:22] Pastor Bill: Yeah. I would guess there were three. They said the top three would get a free copy of the book and yada, yada, yada. So I'm guessing that was number one. Number one, yeah.

[0:05:33] Pastor Newms: I would think that was the selection.

[0:05:34] Pastor Bill: Of the sacred strawberry. But yeah, I don't know. I haven't read any of the other stories yet.

[0:05:41] Pastor Newms: I didn't either. I had no desire to. I found yours, I've read yours, and now the book will go on my shelf. Because I'm not a nice person. I might go back at some point, but let's be honest, I'm not going.

[0:05:58] Pastor Bill: To you spend $17 on a book. Why is it so high? Why is the price point so high? I don't understand.

[0:06:10] Pastor Newms: That's not that high for a book.

[0:06:13] Pastor Bill: Really?

[0:06:14] Pastor Newms: Yeah. That's moderate.

[0:06:18] Pastor Bill: What's up? How was your week, Pastor Newms?

[0:06:23] Pastor Newms: So my week was pretty good. We were actually sick.

[0:06:33] Pastor Bill: I'm sorry.

[0:06:34] Pastor Newms: Yeah, it was humorous because when you texted me on Sunday, I actually had laid down to take a nap, which is not unsurprising for a Sunday, because, let's be honest, I love naps, so it's not unlikely for me to take a nap. So I had laid down last weekend this week. So Thursday I worked half a day at work. Friday I took off completely, and then I was sick all the way through. I was sick from Thursday to Tuesday, which is why I didn't fight you on the because usually when you tell me you're like, we're not doing it tonight, I'm like, Why? I mean, it's just a football. I would have said. I was like, I'm going back to bed. I was like, fine with me. I don't want it tonight anyway.

[0:07:41] Pastor Bill: Cool. I'm tired.

[0:07:42] Pastor Newms: I don't feel good.

[0:07:44] Pastor Bill: Sounds good to me.

[0:07:46] Pastor Newms: And then Zaydiee had a work trip this week, so she was actually gone from Thursday till, like, an hour before. They had a team building, like, work retreat they do every year, a retreat for the people that work across the whole company. So the high school, the elementary school, both the ELCS the baby centers, the whole nine, the whole company. And so they were in Gatlinburg, actually, from Thursday until, like I said, like 2 hours ago, I got home like I was eating up until when we started. The pre-thing. The downside between Zaydiee being gone and me getting over being sick, I played no games from like the Wednesday before I was sick. And I still technically have not launched an actual video game. So it's been like a week and a half because I've been like, you hadn't streamed anything.

[0:09:09] Pastor Bill: I thought that was odd, but I.

[0:09:12] Pastor Newms: Was like now there are two games, one of which I know I couldn't stream if I got early access to it. But there is one game where if you pay extra, you can get into early access. And it appears people are streaming it already as of two days ago. Now, I don't know if that is just because they're small streamers so they've got away with it, or if it's actually not under, because sometimes when you get into an early access, there's NDAs until it releases. Other games want you to they're like, yes, please stream it.

[0:09:59] Pastor Bill: Tag us, love us. Free advertisement building up to the launch. It's good buzz, right?

[0:10:13] Pastor Newms: I'm debating with myself still. My blanket is out of whack and it's bothering me. I'm debating with myself still on whether to get it or not. And if I get it, then I will start possibly streaming that. I'm currently supposed to be streaming another game, doing a joke run through the game, but a joke run. So the game that I've been playing and that says plays a lot of is a game based on the pathfinder RPG. It's actually a campaign setting and they built a game of it called wrath of the righteous. And there's different ways of playing the game. Like, there's different paths you can take and there's different endings and there's different every decision not every decision, but lots of decisions actually can affect the world. Like, if you make the wrong decision, your party members will just leave. They're like, no, this guy is a nut. We're out. So there's lots of different paths. You can take a demon path, you can take a devil path, you can take an angel path, you can take a legend path, which means you don't want to be truly special. You're just overpowered to be overpowered. And then there's a litch path and a swarm path, which is the lich path. Of course, several of your party members get very upset because becoming a litch is kind of a no-no. And then swarm. You're literally a living swarm. And so your party members leave because you keep eating people. And so there's all these different paths and things you can do. There's a lime, you're literally a group of insects, and you literally keep eating people. Please, I'm out. But there's options. Like, you meet people and you can be nice to them, or you can be mean, or you can use one of the special paths. You can be evil, you can be good because it's an RPG, so it's based on a tabletop RPG, so there's the Good evil, Chaotic Circle. So often there's an option of attack. Like, I don't want to talk to this person. This person's already annoyed me. They look funny. Whatever the reason, they're different situations. You can just choose to attack. And so I was joking with sez that it would be funny to do a run where you just attack every time you're given the option to attack. The first time you're given the option to attack people.

[0:13:07] Pastor Bill: And see, so it's a murder hobo run.

[0:13:10] Pastor Newms: It's a murder hobo run. Right, exactly. And see, by the end of the game, who's even around? But the funny thing is, the first time you come across two members, there's two party members, and you have to choose between the two of them because one ends up being evil. The first option for both of them is attack, but they both have plot armor where you don't actually attack them, and you're like, how many people actually have the plot armor in this game where attack is not actually a valid option? And so it's kind of wanting to see that. I might do some of that tomorrow, depending on what happens, because I am technically off all day tomorrow, so maybe I'll do some of that tomorrow. I don't know. I don't know what my plans are yet tomorrow.

[0:14:04] Pastor Bill: But Gerg, his one-act stuff, they want him there from 09:00 A.m. Till TBD or tb.

[0:14:16] Pastor Newms: His what's?

[0:14:16] Pastor Bill: Not to be determined. One act. The University of Interscholastic League theater thing in Texas.

[0:14:27] Pastor Newms: Oh, that thing he called me about?

[0:14:29] Pastor Bill: Yeah, the thing he called you back. They take one act of a play or modify a play into one act, and they just put on just that one act of a show, and it gets judged. Well, he's in it, and tomorrow they're like, well, we couldn't meet on Saturday for, I don't know, director at something. And then they're like, but we don't have school Monday, so if you can come, we'd like, everyone here at 09:00 A.m. The actors can leave at 2:30. But all of you like, tech and crew guys, just stay as long as you can.

[0:15:07] Pastor Newms: Just prepare to be there.

[0:15:09] Pastor Bill: Yeah, prepare to be there. I got to get up and drop them off at nine. At least I don't have to get up at the normal time tomorrow. I can sleep in a little bit and get him there at nine.

[0:15:22] Pastor Newms: Now the question is, does the Littlest actually let you sleep or is he still wakes up the moment of day and wakes you up?

[0:15:33] Pastor Bill: So the littlest has decided that Adeline is his best friend. So he wakes up. Adeline, when he gets up, he no longer comes and wakes daddy up. However, the puppy, if no one feeds her or lets her out, she will come and start whining and scratching at my door.

[0:15:54] Pastor Newms: Okay.

[0:15:55] Pastor Bill: So she doesn't let me sleep, but the little human does.

[0:15:59] Pastor Newms: Yeah, because I know there was a long time when you, like me. The littlest human would be like, hi, good morning.

[0:16:05] Pastor Bill: Get up now. Hi. Good morning. My son's awakened. So am I.

[0:16:10] Pastor Newms: You need to go somewhere? Well, that's fun.

[0:16:19] Pastor Bill: All right, well, now it's time for getting to know the pastors.

[0:16:22] Pastor Newms: I don't want to.

[0:16:23] Pastor Bill: And it's my time to pull a card.

[0:16:25] Pastor Newms: Oh, hey, I had something to ask you about this. No, you can still pull the card. I'm not going to tell you to not pull the card. No, you're good. I unpacked all my books. Right.

[0:16:40] Pastor Bill: Okay.

[0:16:43] Pastor Newms: I have a ton of youth resources from my parents, and they're right here in front of me on bookshelves. And several of them have, like, get-to-know-people questions and lists of things. And if we get through our cards or as we get, like, if we want something in between the two sets of cards, I found several books that would be they're just like they're conversation starters. They're getting to know the business person question from my mom. And I'm like, these might be awesome. They could be horrible. I have no idea.

[0:17:35] Pastor Bill: This could be awesome or really bad.

[0:17:37] Pastor Newms: So they could be better or worse than our cards. But I have some books that we can use as we run out of cards. Just so you know, don't go buy more cards until we see how those books are. But I have them right over there on the bookshelves, and I think it could be extremely humorous because they are.

[0:18:05] Pastor Bill: If you, me, were reincarnated okay. As a famous landmark, which would it be?

[0:18:17] Pastor Newms: Okay, wait. First off, there are many questions that must be asked.

[0:18:25] Pastor Bill: How qualification questions, as if the card gives me any kind of qualifiers.

[0:18:34] Pastor Newms: Okay, so the point of reincarnation. Well, no, I guess if you did timey wimey reincarnation, you could have been the famous monument the whole time. Also, but I don't like that. It's always weird to me. To me, a reincarnation, you're born into the next thing, not born into a thing that already exists. That always messes up in my head, because then how do you have memory? I don't like that card.

[0:19:07] Pastor Bill: Okay.

[0:19:11] Pastor Newms: I don't know, man.

[0:19:13] Pastor Bill: Which celebrity chef would you most like to make you dinner?

[0:19:20] Pastor Newms: Oh, okay. So I'm going to qualify this. I have one card down. Let's see how many cards we have to get through tonight. One thing you get to know about the pastors is pastor Newms is extremely picky. Okay. So for the sake of hanging out with me and I would just like to know the person would be Gordon Ramsay. Because I think it would just be funny to meet him because he seems like the kind of guy that I would enjoy because he's kind of a person. I was going the opposite side because I was about to say and I like people like that. But you went male appendage. And I don't like those very much. But as far as cooking, I don't think his cooking style is something I would enjoy eating. I would like to hang out with this guy while he cooks a meal thing. I think he'd be cool, but I don't know if I'd like his food necessarily. So if I'm going to go with someone like whose food I would eat, it's got to be like, a paladin or Rachel Ray or someone who does the good Southern cooking. I can't remember that one really large, fat chef guy that I used to like. Because if I'm going to have a famous chef cook me something, I want it to be good.

[0:21:29] Pastor Bill: Okay. So basically, I'm doing this. This means we're simpatico. We're all on the same wavelength, right? This hand thing, the hand gesture I'm making right now. So what we're saying here is we would like to cook a meal with Gordon Ramsay. Yes. And just be like, be in the kitchen. And he's, like, yelling at you like, no, you twit. You cut that half a stick.

[0:21:52] Pastor Newms: Exactly.

[0:21:52] Pastor Bill: But when it comes to sitting down to eat a meal that someone's cooked, it'd be something like Guy Fieri, where it's like this dripping burger with just grease everywhere. But it's like that Guy meal.

[0:22:05] Pastor Newms: I don't know about Guy Fieri because he booms spice a lot. And I'm not a super boom spice guy or bam spice, whatever it was.

[0:22:13] Pastor Bill: No, that's a different guy you're thinking about. I can't remember what his name is. This is the guy with the spiky. I thought that was that goes to the diners, the drive-ins, and the.

[0:22:24] Pastor Newms: No, I know, but I thought his whole thing before that was like the bam. No, that's somebody else. And, like, says, you never trust a skinny chef. Like I'm looking for you.

[0:22:38] Pastor Bill: Thinking of Emeril Lagasse.

[0:22:40] Pastor Newms: I'm thinking of Emeril. You're right. I am. No.

[0:22:44] Pastor Bill: So. Yeah.

[0:22:44] Pastor Newms: No guy. I was thinking for some reason that this is terrible. This is how much I watch cooking shows. Obviously never for some reason, I was thinking they were the same person.

[0:22:57] Pastor Bill: No, they're not the same person.

[0:23:02] Pastor Newms: But no.

[0:23:03] Pastor Bill: The best hamburger and French fries I've ever had was from the quote-unquote Guy Fieri kitchen on the cruise ship that my wife and I went on a cruise on.

[0:23:15] Pastor Newms: So his recipes, basically, yeah.

[0:23:18] Pastor Bill: It was the most amazing burger I've ever had in my whole life.

[0:23:22] Pastor Newms: Big sense. He wants the meal cooked by the cake guy. I wasn't even thinking of going there. That one show, I think it might be in Boston, but it's like cake Boss or something. And they do cakes.

[0:23:43] Pastor Bill: He just wants the whole cake.

[0:23:44] Pastor Newms: He just wants that guy to make a full meal, just several cakes like that.

[0:23:48] Pastor Bill: Biggs is all about the cake.

[0:23:50] Pastor Newms: Six courses of cake, six horses of cake. And biggs does not argue.

[0:23:56] Pastor Bill: He just responds, yes. He's like, yeah, that's what I want.

[0:24:02] Pastor Newms: There's not like a well, you know, what I meant was no, he's just.

[0:24:07] Pastor Bill: Straight up, that's what I meant.

[0:24:09] Pastor Newms: What I want, I would need a cake, bottle of acid of medicine and sodium, whatever. The other one I have to take the NSAIDs to be able to walk the day after intaking that much sugar, but I'll give it a shot. I drank a sweet tea by accident the other day, and it was so swollen up I could barely walk. The next sugar is not my friend no more.

[0:24:40] Pastor Bill: All right, so hello and welcome season four episode nine of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian.

[0:24:50] Pastor Newms: Wait, did we really forget? And I'm joined by Pastor did we forget?

[0:25:00] Pastor Bill: Yeah.

[0:25:02] Pastor Newms: Well, how am I going to edit this now?

[0:25:06] Pastor Bill: I don't know. Pick a spot and start from there.

[0:25:11] Pastor Newms: How do we forget? Welcome you all to 25 minutes in, roughly, probably. We'll see where I actually start it, but wow. Okay.

[0:25:33] Pastor Bill: All right, so we're in our series in Genesis, and we're getting really close to the end of chapter one, just real close. So we're in chapter one, verses 24 and 25. And then next week we'll finish out chapter one, and then the week after that, we'll do a recap, basically, of the whole first chapter before we then go into chapter two.

[0:26:00] Pastor Newms: But did you forget to post something again on Spotify?

[0:26:07] Pastor Bill: I don't know. Spotify should be automatic.

[0:26:12] Pastor Newms: I was just asking because they said it, but it might be because we didn't do it last week.

[0:26:18] Pastor Bill: It might be. Okay, so Genesis, chapter one, verses 24 and 25. 24 says, and this is from the CSB, the Christian Standard Bible. Then God said, let the earth produce living creatures according to their kinds, livestock creatures that crawl, and the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so verse 25. So God made the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that crawl on the ground according to their kinds, and God saw that it was good. All right, so we're at a point in chapter one, if you've been listening and following along up to this point, that none of the words here should be that surprising. We've got God is that H430, which is the plural gods, and then said is actually more commanded like we've been seeing over and over again. Earth is to be firm, and then it says to go out, so to produce. But it's that act of spreading out. You produce and you spread out, right? You fill up the land. It's not just sit in one spot and make copies of yourself. It's spread living creatures is living flesh there. But then it's also breathing creatures. So they live and they breathe. And this is a neat counterpoint to what we've seen up to this point, because with the whales and the birds and all of that, they didn't actually say breathing creatures. They didn't use this term nehfesh H5315. It's the same kind of idea of what we were talking about, the soul or the spirit, the certain something that runs the psyche of a person, the personality, that kind of thing. They didn't use that word for whales and fish and birds. Not that they don't have personalities and they don't think it's just that I don't know. Either the author didn't think they did, or yeah, they did. I don't know. Did they use nehfesh?

[0:28:49] Pastor Newms: Yeah, in 21.

[0:28:51] Pastor Bill: I missed it in my notes. Well, it does, doesn't it?

[0:29:01] Pastor Newms: For birds, every living, it says an active mass. But for sea creatures, where it says whales know, but creature, it does. So it actually denotes the difference between large sea creatures and living creature that moves and swarms in the water. Which is interesting, because now, looking at whales and I missed this last time. So it's whales in the KJV, it's large sea creatures in the CSB. It actually means, which I don't think we talked about this. Yeah, it means a Kraken. It's a monstrance, a monster, a sea serpent, a jackal, a dragon.

[0:30:03] Pastor Bill: It's the same word they translate as Leviathan in Job.

[0:30:07] Pastor Newms: Yeah, it's a monster. It isn't just anyway, which, to be.

[0:30:17] Pastor Bill: Honest, early seafaring peoples that came across a whale, they would be like, what is that monstrous thing?

[0:30:28] Pastor Newms: And then birds, they don't use the same thing either. Birds, they use fowl. For some, they do. So you miss it in one spot.

[0:30:41] Pastor Bill: Not birds miss it in one spot. Some fish have a soul, but fish do.

[0:30:48] Pastor Newms: Some fish do, it appears, but not either. Languages are weird. All right, continue. Sorry, that threw me off.

[0:30:59] Pastor Bill: Livestock, which is H929 behemoth, which is a dumb beast. So cattle, any cattle, dumb beast that can include camels, cows, oxen, bison. You get the point. Then it talks about reptiles, and then it says, and wildlife. The wildlife there is basically fauna. Biggs Said no spiders, yet. Wildlife would cover all fauna. So that would be spiders, scorpions, everything that hasn't been covered yet that exists. That's where it came from, right there. That's when it was created. Okay? And then we get to verse 25, and it's still plural for God, the gods. And then it's awsaw ayth. Now, remember we've talked about ayth it means to personally do something, right? So it says God made, well, God personally made these things. He personally made the wildlife, the livestock, the creatures. He personally made those. It wasn't like when he just commanded something to exist. He actually commanded that it needed to exist, and then he personally made it and then gave them their portions, it says or when they translate that out, we say according to their kind. So God had this idea that, okay, you have this domain and you have this little domain, and you need to replenish and spread out there. You need to be fruitful. You need to multiply in your little area amongst your own little kind. Right? And so God saw that it was good, right? So we have to differentiate that. Once again, it is not God - like when he saw the light looking within himself and recognize it and going, oh, that's good. No, this is just God looking at it and saying, yeah, that's a good thing. That's good. Right?

[0:33:30] Pastor Newms: Because it is different.

[0:33:32] Pastor Bill: It's different. It's a different thing. In English, we say it's the same thing. We say the same way, it means the same thing. But then when we get to the original language, there it's a different thing. It's something different. All right, do you have anything else you want to say about the word-to-word breakdown there?

[0:33:56] Pastor Newms: No, not really. Not at that point. It's pretty self-explanatory. I mean, the words are the words.

[0:34:14] Pastor Bill: It's not rocket science.

[0:34:15] Pastor Newms: Yeah, these ones aren't super deep like some of it. These ones are kind of yeah.

[0:34:25] Pastor Bill: Basically what we're doing at this point is the author is just trying to get through everything that was created before. Where did my camera go? Okay.

[0:34:35] Pastor Newms: Nowhere. Don't worry about it. Where about yourself?

[0:34:39] Pastor Bill: I am worried about myself. That's my camera.

[0:34:43] Pastor Newms: If anything becomes full screen on that monitor, it makes you go away.

[0:34:53] Pastor Bill: At this point, the author is just trying to get through the rest of creation and has toned down the imagery and toned down all the background stuff because they're wanting to get to the humans. They're wanting to get to the actual point of why they're telling this story. So in the beginning, they were very much, this is the important stuff, this is the deep stuff. And then as the chapter progresses, they're like, okay, let's get back to the important stuff, but we got to fly off all these things to get there, right? All right, so now it's time for our this is only the second time we've done this. It's the topic according to AI.

[0:35:44] Pastor Newms: I was really hoping you were going to just leave this alone.

[0:35:49] Pastor Bill: Where I took all seven commentaries that I read and fed their viewpoints on these two verses into Chat GPT and had it spit back a synopsis on what they all cover. All right, are you ready?

[0:36:08] Pastor Newms: Yeah, if I'm ready.

[0:36:10] Pastor Bill: Okay, here we go. The 6th day of creation in the Bible is a significant event in the creation story as it highlights the preparation of the Earth with the arrival of humans. According to the Bible, God created various animals, including cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the Earth, and declared them to be good. These animals were divided into three classes and made after their kind, each having its own unique species. The creation of animals was necessary for the arrival of man as they serve various purposes such as transportation, food, and commerce. The authors note that the creation of the animals demonstrates the benevolent purpose of God's work. The incompleteness of the earth with just lower creatures highlights the spiritual greatness of humans, despite their inferior physical qualities. Compared to the animal races, humans, as the climax of the earth's creation, are able to recognize the order and exert control over all other creatures, making them godlike and the King of the Earth. In contrast to the creation of the animals, the creation of humans is described as the masterwork and the end of all that has been done. According to the Bible, man's body was taken from the Earth, but his soul was from heaven, while the body and soul of beasts are wholly from the Earth. This distinction highlights the special relationship that animals have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. In conclusion, the 6th Day of Creation in the Bible emphasizes the important role that the creation of animals played in the preparation of the Earth for the arrival of humans. It also highlights the unique and special relationship that humans have with God and their elevated status among all creatures. So there you go. There's the summary of the topic according to Chat GPT, based on the commentary entries from the seven different commentaries that I study as part of my preparation. Interestingly enough, we didn't have a dissenting opinion this week. The sermon Bible didn't go all evolutionary on us this time, which I thought was interesting.

[0:38:46] Pastor Newms: What I find interesting is the fact that we didn't actually talk about the humans.

[0:38:56] Pastor Bill: But you included them in 24 and 25 don't. Well, the commentaries for verses 24 and 25 talk about it. So that's where it got that from.

[0:39:12] Pastor Newms: I was like, that's odd.

[0:39:15] Pastor Bill: Yeah, I thought it was odd too. Says he can fix something for us if we like, but I don't know what.

[0:39:24] Pastor Newms: Don't worry about it. He's just being Sez, okay.

[0:39:33] Pastor Bill: All right. So that's verses 24 and 25, of Genesis one, where God makes all of those other creatures. The name of that episode was what? What did we name that?

[0:40:02] Pastor Newms: I don't remember. Let's go back to the Weekly.

[0:40:08] Pastor Bill: Livestock, Reptiles, And Fauna. Oh, my. Of course, I had to throw the omi.

[0:40:12] Pastor Newms: Yeah, I didn't understand the oh, my. I thought that was strange.

[0:40:16] Pastor Bill: Lions and tigers and bears. Oh, my.

[0:40:22] Pastor Newms: Still thought it was strange.

[0:40:24] Pastor Bill: It's a Wizard of OZ reference. Come on, man.

[0:40:29] Pastor Newms: Strange?

[0:40:30] Pastor Bill: Why is that strange?

[0:40:32] Pastor Newms: It's strange.

[0:40:34] Pastor Bill: You can say it's strange if you want to. Oh, I see. Says he can offer a dissenting opinion. Okay, so I have a question. There's no mention of dinosaurs in Genesis one. Why is that Pastor Newms?

[0:41:00] Pastor Newms: Well, as you mentioned, genesis one comes from the story as written by Babylonians.

[0:41:09] Pastor Bill: Correct.

[0:41:11] Pastor Newms: And. By that point, dinosaurs weren't walking around, right?

[0:41:19] Pastor Bill: No mention of dinosaurs because this is a text written by humans, right?

[0:41:25] Pastor Newms: In Job, there is a mention of a leviathan. It is the same word usage as sea creature that is used in Genesis.

[0:41:38] Pastor Bill: Technically, a unicorn also talks about a great beast with huge legs whose neck reaches to the sky. But modern theologians have narrowed those down to modern animals that we still have anyway.

[0:41:59] Pastor Newms: The other aspect is the fact that there's a couple of different aspects you could look at as far as dinosaurs go in the Bible. So there's the aspect of one, if we're looking at it from a standpoint of everything was created at the same time in the same way, in the exact same the way that most modern churches teach it. Dinosaurs would then be kept under creeping thing and sea ones would be under the monstrous Sea Creatures so they wouldn't spell them out any differently than any other form of lizard and or bird. They're just bigger. If you look at it from a standpoint of it's written by especially Genesis one is a retelling of the story based on added in later from what most of the rest of Genesis was written. It's the Babylonian. So you'd have to go back and ask them.

[0:43:15] Pastor Bill: I think the main real answer I'm trying to get at is this isn't dictated by God. This isn't God saying in the beginning, I and then I and then I this is mankind going, well, we believe that this is how it happened, right? And we're going, oh yeah, okay, I faith that and believe that, right? But this isn't God's account of creation. This is the Babylonian account of creation as adapted and edited by the culture of the Jewish people. So is it exhaustive? No. Is it scientific? No. Is it 100% accurate? Not any more than me trying to write a book about the Civil War. Yeah, I wasn't there, I didn't see it. I can recount the stories that have.

[0:44:32] Pastor Newms: Been told to me, right, and that's often, especially when you deal with the text that is not necessarily for religious study. These are stories that have been handed down and handed down and handed down and they were written down. Do I think they are mostly accurate to a certain degree, yeah. I think the generalized aspects are. I think when we look at the differences between Genesis One and Genesis Two, it gets a little funny, but we're not necessarily looking at that yet. That's not exactly what you're looking for at the moment.

[0:45:29] Pastor Bill: But at this point we're taking the text scripture by scripture and trying to let it stand on its own and build upon itself as if we haven't really seen what's coming yet. We don't know what's going to be said now for the most part. So we've grabbed on to some statements and gone, well, it seems like it's saying this not necessarily believing that. It means that even because we've read ahead in the book where they clarify certain things. Right, but that's all part of the process of learning and getting to the heart of what's there. But one of the things that really bugs me is this whole we get these arguments where people are like, no, it was this way, and other people were like, it couldn't have been that way. That's ridiculous. And they're arguing back and forth as if Genesis one was written from a first person point of view perspective by someone who was there. But it's not. It's a game of telephone. It's been repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated. What it is is a very good, firm-standing building block for the beginning of a religious viewpoint on the world and a religious study of God. It is not intended to be what's the word? A discourse on the actual steps of creation. That's not what it is. It's not intended to be that way. It can't be used that way. But people use it that way and they argue it that way. And I'm like, you choose by faith to believe it is that. And it's a very good thing to build upon in your faith and in your religious beliefs. But to then take it out of the Bible and try to argue it in a secular standing and go, well, no, this is an actual account of how things happened. The Bible doesn't even make that claim. There's the one time where Jesus says he mentions the seven days of creation. Right. And I didn't look it up ahead of this time because I didn't think about the fact that I was going to be quoting it. But even then, it's in the middle of a sermon where he's specifically talking to a religious group, and so it's not even used as a secular talking point at that point. I don't know, it just frustrates me that the Bible is intended for certain things, and to take it out of that context feels like demeaning. And undervaluing the text itself yeah, we.

[0:48:58] Pastor Newms: Have the New Testament that talks about all scripture is God breathed for the uses of teaching, preaching religious aspects, doesn't say to dictate historical documents, doesn't say.

[0:49:20] Pastor Bill: The word apologetics isn't listed in that list. And arguing with non-believers isn't in that list either.

[0:49:29] Pastor Newms: Yeah, it's definitely an interesting thing. When we look at how some people it's like the weaponization of certain areas of scripture. It doesn't make sense. There's no reason we should be weaponizing Scripture.

[0:49:54] Pastor Bill: So when my child asks me, is this how it happened? Is this how creation happened? What's my response? My response is, as far as our religious beliefs are concerned, this is the important things that happened in that reference. This is the list of the important things that happened in reference to your religion. My religion. That's my answer.

[0:50:33] Pastor Newms: How I usually would take it is the aspect of this is what is believed to the way it believed is.

[0:50:43] Pastor Bill: The key word there. Yeah.

[0:50:47] Pastor Newms: Is it perfect? No, because no one was there. We're basing it off the knowledge of having faith in our belief system. It's not complete.

[0:51:04] Pastor Bill: I get the same amount of frustrated and secular conversations when people will say, no, we know exactly this is how it happened. We know exactly that the Earth is billions of years, this many billions of years old, and that evolution happened exactly like this. It frustrates me there, too, because I'm like you. Don't you believe it based off this evidence and this evidence and this evidence? But you weren't there. No one was. You're making an educated guess and choosing to believe it.

[0:51:40] Pastor Newms: I mean, everything takes a certain amount of faith. It's just how honest is.

[0:51:48] Pastor Bill: An honest scientist will say, we've come to a pretty trustworthy hypothesis that this is what happened. And on that point I can go, Cool, tell me more about it. Because we're being honest, but on both sides, secular and religious, we need to be emphasizing more on the this is my belief, and less on making things into scientific fact that just aren't. Genesis one is not scientific fact. The Big Bang is not necessarily scientific fact. I know we can reproduce certain things that we theorize the Big Bang was like in a much smaller form in the hadron collider, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's actually what happened. It just means it is a plausible option for what happened. The fact that it can be recreated.

[0:53:16] Pastor Newms: This is close to what science believes because it's what makes logical sense based on our knowledge sense.

[0:53:30] Pastor Bill: All right, well, that's all we have for tonight. The Berean Manifesto is a podcast that comes out once a week, more or less. Sometimes we take a break, but we try to come out every Wednesday night at 07:00 P.M. Central Standard time. Wherever you get your podcasts from, if you enjoyed this episode or you think it might be enjoyable or helpful for someone else, like share, follow whatever it is on where you're getting your podcast so that you can make sure you don't miss an episode and so that other people can get our episodes as well. That helps it grow. We do record this podcast live on Sunday evenings at 06:30 P.M. Central Standard Time. And you can go to our website, EKK.House, to find out which twitch account, which YouTube account, and which Facebook account you could go to, to catch those live broadcasts. That's the word broadcast. And then you can participate in the chat. You can type it in what you want to say. And I keep discord here open in front of me. Pastor Newms keeps Twitch and Discord in front of him. And we can actually you can be part of the conversation like you've heard a few times tonight. We've referenced someone from the chat, participating in the conversation. And we welcome that. We welcome questions or concerns or dissent. We keep it clean, we keep it respectful, and we're not afraid to block people who are unwilling to be respectful. So keeping that a month. All right, so, Pastor News, if you don't have anything else for tonight, I'm going to say we love you guys and we hope you have a great week.

[0:55:22] Pastor Newms: Be safe out there.

[0:55:25] Pastor Bill: And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:[2:04] Hello and welcome to season four, episode four of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I am joined by Pastor Newms. As always, Newms, how are you doing? Pastor Newms:[2:22] I'm good, sir. How are you today? Pastor Bill:[2:24] I'm well tonight. I'm well. How was your Christmas break? We took two weeks off the podcast. Pastor Newms:[2:30] We did. We were busy between the two of us. Days that you weren't busy. I was, days that you were busy. I wasn't. And it made it very. It's no big deal. It's the holidays. I mean, I actually texted Mom. I was like, Hey, make sure Biggs is on right on time tonight because I had something funny. And she was like, I didn't know you guys were going live tonight. I was like, That's true. It is the first. So the way it fell, you know, it's a little different, but it's good. It's good. I had pretty, pretty good things. I worked. A lot. I've only had I had last Friday and then Monday, and then I have Monday off. So it was three, four-day weeks in a row. But I didn't take any additional time this year because I didn't do any traveling, so I saved my vacation for later. So. And Biggs is saying that you did your office is something different that I'm not noticing? Pastor Bill:[3:48] Um, I don't know. I mean, we did. It is a recent redo, and then we did take a couple of weeks off, so. Maybe it's just hitting different. Pastor Newms:[3:59] Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. How was your holidays? Pastor Bill:[4:05] All right, So. There were holidays. You know, my sister Natalie flew in from California with her husband, Luke. We haven't seen them in three years, so we got to go spend some time with them. That was fun and games and whatnot over at my mom's house. Pastor Newms:[4:28] Did you guys get any bad ice or anything? Pastor Bill:[4:28] Christmas at the mother-in-law's. We got some cold, but there was no bad ice. Pastor Newms:[4:36] That’s good. There was snow on the ground near Christmas, but technically not a white Christmas this year. It was like. Pastor Bill:[4:44] We got snow. But it didn't stick. So. Pastor Newms:[4:49] And we had ice by the time it was Christmas. Pastor Bill:[4:50] And then today. It was like 80 degrees with a nice breeze outside. I spent like 2 hours in the front yard laying on a comforter spread. Doing my last-minute study for tonight. Just enjoying the, you know, the nice temperatures. Pastor Newms:[5:10] It's like sixties here now. Yeah. So. Pastor Bill:[5:17] Cool. But as far as weeks go, it was just, you know, busy with a bunch of holidays. Pastor Newms:[5:25] Yeah, I. I did something. I did something big in games, but not a huge deal outside of games. I completed the Pokédex for Scarlet Violet, minus one. Because you have to in order to get a tradable version of the legendary, you have to beat the game. And I haven't beaten Violet yet, so I don't have them right on. But I have every other Pokémon in my life decks. And so that was a thing that I did this week and then started playing a completely different game. So that was fun. Yeah, it was fun. Pastor Bill:[6:06] Is the game called Your Chronicle? Pastor Newms:[6:09] No, that's one of my idle games. Your Chronicle and idling to rule the gods are my two idol games that I play, so they're pretty much always up, and Discord just grabs whatever game was up last. I try to normally not play heavy. Lots of movement and sound games during. Pastor Bill:[6:34] Service podcast. Pastor Newms:[6:34] Sunday night. And yes, as Senior Poopie Bottom said, I, I did not know. Okay. So I just realized. Senior Poopy Bottom who Senior Poopy Bottom is. And I don't know if I knew who Senior Poopy Bottom was until just now. Pastor Bill:[6:55] Who is a Senior Poopy Bottom? I do not know who it is. No. Pastor Newms:[6:55] Have we talked about that? Senior Poopy Bottom. Did I know that you were Senior Poopy Bottom? Pastor Bill:[7:05] Let the rest of us in on the secret, bro. Pastor Newms:[7:08] Well, he's sitting on my couch, um, downstairs. Not. Not the dog right here. That'd be creepy. Pastor Bill:[7:16] Not to judge the type. Pastor Newms:[7:18] But that's actually. That's actually Mr. Groggy. Pastor Bill:[7:24] That's Mr. Groggy. How many identities does that man have? Pastor Newms:[7:25] Mr. Groggy. I don't know what I do. Oh. Well, that's why I was like, Wait a second. He was letting me play Violet. Yeah, I let him borrow Violet last week, which is why while he was borrowing Violet, I finished the Scarlet dex and then did a bunch of trades when he came in. You know, because he came to spend New Years with us, and we played Mortal Kombat 11 on the Switch all night till, like, one. And if she says anything, it's not true. Rayne did not beat me like four or five times in a row. That is fake news. If she tells you that it is, it is not true. Mm-hmm. I was not a happy person. She beat me so many times. Just over and over again. And. But anyway, it's. It's all good. Pastor Bill:[8:31] So you got a venom thing? You showed us that. I got a pocket watch that I attached to a wristband. So I can just. Find. Pastor Newms:[8:33] I did. Oh, that's. That's steampunk. Pastor Bill:[8:48] So steampunk. I love it. It's great. So steampunk. Pastor Newms:[8:48] It's so steampunk when you come out here to visit. There's this. And we decide to take everybody to Dollywood. There's down there in Gatlinburg, there's this place that is this thing that you do. I can't do it because it's. It's like 3D and stuff, but. The whole idea is that you're in the steampunk ship going around the world. And so, like in the gift shop, there's the steampunk hats and steampunk goggles. And I was like, Oh, Bill would love all this crap. Pastor Bill:[9:26] Have to go just for the gift shop. Pastor Newms:[9:28] Yeah, we will. We probably won't pay for everyone to do that because it's like, Yeah. That was part of the existing grandma. Gloria's Christmas to us was everything they paid for, for the girls you know how that is, with Six Flags often. And so it was like, oh no. And yes, because I do know how you felt all those times that I beat you now while my children beat me at games so. Mhm. Pastor Bill:[10:00] The wheel of time turns. Pastor Newms:[10:02] Yeah. Yeah. Pastor Bill:[10:05] What else? I got money. I got some money. Um. A couple of shots, of Fireball. Pastor Newms:[10:19] How's that? Okay. Okay. Pastor Bill:[10:22] They sell those little bottles that are just a shot's worth. Pastor Newms:[10:23] I. Yep. Now, I fully understand. It's just. That's an interesting Christmas present.I didn't. Didn't. Huh? Pastor Bill:[10:32] That was one of my favorite stocking stuffers, actually. Pastor Newms:[10:36] He. I can understand. Pastor Bill:[10:41] So, you know. Pastor Newms:[10:43] It's actually, the cinnamon is not that high in carbs. So. Pastor Bill:[10:51] All right. And now it's time for Getting To Know The Pastors. Yep, it is. As I pack my deck. Now the. Yeah. Yeah. Pastor Newms:[10:55] Is it your week? Yeah. Like a pack of cigarettes when neither of us smokes. Okay. That makes so much sense. Only. Hmm. Pastor Bill:[11:07] Right. All right. Would you rather. Pastor Newms:[11:11] I'm going to say something right now. If this card is terrible and we start the year off with an awful card out of your deck, I'm not going to be happy. Go. You did not just change the card. Pastor Bill:[11:29] I'm thinking about it. Pastor Newms:[11:39] Oh, man. Now just read it. Try to start the year off. Right. Pastor Bill:[11:45] So. Yeah. It's starting off, right? I mean, come girl. Pastor Newms:[11:56] Oh. Pastor Bill:[11:59] Okay. I'm sorry. Would you rather. Be the best player on a horrible team or the worst player on a great team. Pastor Newms:[12:14] See, that's really hard because here's the reason why I say that's really hard. So like, if you're the best player on the worst team. And you feel like you're. Like you're wasting your time and talents. And I take that from a team, sports or business. But if you're the worst, you're constantly worried you're about to get got. So. Oh, that's. That's rough. That one is rough.I prefer to be third on either side. Pastor Bill:[12:58] I prefer just not to do team things. But just. Yeah. Pastor Newms:[13:02] I prefer to be like the third or fourth smartest person in a room and the most efficient person in a room. And like the. Unless you get traded a week before the Super Bowl. Um. Pastor Bill:[13:17] Oh, yeah, that would stink. Pastor Newms:[13:20] But Biggs. So Biggs says the worst on a good team. Um, I. Oh, I would have to say probably. Think if I actually had the answer, I would say. I don't want to ever be the best because it just feels. Even being mediocrely above the medium feels terrible when you're doing when you feel like you're doing more than others. Pastor Bill:[13:52] If I was the best, I'd always be worried about eighties montages. It's like if you didn't suddenly be like. You're the best around. And I'd be like, Oh, crap. I'm in a montage. Pastor Newms:[13:57] She's not us. 30-second buffer, 30-second buffer, 30-second buffer, Pastor Bill started. Singing 80 songs. Hmm. For those of you who don't get that joke, come join us live. And you will. Oh, yes. So but you got to choose which one? Which one would you truly choose? I prefer to just be middle, but. I think I agree with Biggs. Pastor Bill:[14:45] The worst. Pastor Newms:[14:46] Yeah, I think it's just I think being the best at anything at any moment is just would be infuriating. Like, if you were. Pastor Bill:[14:52] The worst on the team, I mean. Pastor Newms:[14:54] Because if you're the best on a bad team, I mean, if you're like, yeah, if you're the best on a bad team, you're constantly you'd be constantly frustrated because you're failing, but you're awesome. Pastor Bill:[15:08] I mean, you'd constantly feel like Judas, just like, Man, I am better than these. Oh, wait, That was just. Pastor Newms:[15:14] That was just pride. That's different. That was just. That was just pride. I need a fidget. Okay. I got one. I got one. I just realized I'm fidgeting with an extremely sharp. Knife. And if I slip, I must cut a finger. Of course, that's a straight, like, straight-edge razor blade. That's what I'm looking for. So that should not be what we're fidgeting with. Pastor Bill:[15:40] So. You know, there's a new doctor coming up for Doctor Who? Pastor Newms:[15:44] I have heard. Mm hmm. Hmm. Hmm hmm. Even though I'm far behind. But. Yes. Pastor Bill:[15:47] And David Tennant, David Tennant is now the 10th and the 14th doctor. And there wasn't supposed to be any kind of release this year. And the BBC made this big deal of something big is coming tomorrow. Right. Pastor Newms:[16:08] Like tomorrow is and tomorrow or they made a big deal and it's in the past. Okay. Oh. Pastor Bill:[16:08] And it was. No like. New Years Adam They made a big deal that New Year's Eve, they were going to drop something big. And everybody was like, Oh, we're getting a surprise episode. Some kind of short. It was a trailer for next year's special. They made a Big To-Do about releasing a trailer. Pastor Newms:[16:35] Well, that's what a teaser is. Pastor Bill:[16:36] Oh, people are livid. Pastor Newms:[16:39] That's what a teaser is. It's teasing the fact that there's a trailer. Pastor Bill:[16:40] That they made such a big deal about the trailer. Pastor Newms:[16:45] But that's. They do that with movies. They do that with everything. Because you release a teaser that says that there's a trailer coming. Pastor Bill:[16:46] Oh, people are upset. I'm upset. Pastor Newms:[16:55] I mean, that's what a teaser is. A teaser teases the trailer. Pastor Bill:[16:59] But they could have said, we're releasing a trailer. But they made it sound like they were releasing something real. Pastor Newms:[17:02] No, that's no fun. That's not a teaser. Hmm. Well, it was real. It was real footage. It was. Does he look good as The Doctor? Pastor Bill:[17:09] And then there was this very. Pastor Newms:[17:19] Oh, David Tennant's the next special. Okay. I'm sorry. I thought the next. Oh, okay. I'm trying to. Pastor Bill:[17:24] Gave it the next, like three specials. As the 14th doctor, and then he'll regenerate into the 15th doctor. Pastor Newms:[17:32] I've. I've tried to not be to. Spoilery in the fact that I'm, you know, old dude before chick. Pastor Bill:[17:44] Hmm. You're asking about Nick. Cute chee guy. How do you say his name? Pastor Newms:[17:52] I'm not going to try. I can't speak English correctly. I'm not going to insult someone else. Pastor Bill:[17:57] I didn't want to say it, but. The first Canon black doctor I was going to say is his name, but he's the first Canon Black doctor, which I think is great. Pastor Newms:[18:08] Yes. Pastor Bill:[18:11] We've always known the doctor could and in spoilers. We saw a previous incarnation of the Doctor that's never been released in Canon during Jodie Foster, Jodie Whittaker's time, and as a black woman doctor. Pastor Newms:[18:26] Oh, interesting. Thanks for the spoilers. Pastor Bill:[18:28] But she's not like canon at this point. You know she's, you know, and so it's exciting to see where this actor will take the doctor. But that's what you're asking about. And as far as how he looks. They have released what his costume is. And it's very. Different. Let's put it that way. You know, The Doctor has always been buttoned up in suits and, you know, blah, blah, blah. And this is more like a t-shirt with a blazer and, dress down. It's not now. It's like what we saw in Matt Smith's first promotional material. Pastor Newms:[19:10] Mhm. Pastor Bill:[19:11] Except they've actually said this is actually his clothing. Dr.. Pastor Newms:[19:14] Got it. Interesting. It'll definitely be interesting to see where he takes where they take it with him as the head and where the girls are actually trying to get caught up to then back to where we were. Since they're older now and actually like, you know, cause there was like three the last time we watched it. Um, no, she wasn't that. Who? Pastor Bill:[19:39] Is he Scottish? Biggs, said Scottish black Doctor Who, But I don't think he's Scottish. I think he's. Pastor Newms:[19:48] Mm hmm. I don't think he's Scottish. He's. Uh-hmm. Pastor Bill:[19:51] Ughandan? Pastor Newms:[19:54] Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm. I don't. I don't remember. Pastor Bill:[20:00] I was thinking he was born somewhere else and then grew up and. Pastor Newms:[20:03] Yes, that's what I believe. Because I like him a lot on another show. Pastor Bill:[20:19] Oh, yes. The. The woman. From. Previously, she was Scottish while she sounded Scottish.But she wasn't. She's not officially canon. Pastor Newms:[20:37] Right here. Yeah, and I have no idea. So he's were Rwandan Scottish actor. Pastor Bill:[20:44] Rwandan. Pastor Newms:[20:45] Yeah, he's Rwandan. And his, you know, rose to prominence as Eric on the Netflix show Sex Education. Which is a pretty funny show. It's interesting, you know. And he is. Yeah, It's an interesting show. Pastor Bill:[21:07] I'll take your word on it, as soon as this thing and the BBC finish ironing out their deal to have the full catalog of Doctor Who on Disney Plus. I'll be able to go in and rewatch a whole bunch of stuff and catch back up myself before the new stuff drops. Pastor Newms:[21:28] And. there is how to pronounce his full name, which I. Pastor Bill:[21:37] All right, here we go. Pastor Newms:[21:39] I'm not good with little symbols either. So he doesn't help me, but. Pastor Bill:[21:43] And Cookie. Shoot t. Institute. Hi. Is pronounced Shooty. Okay. It says it's pronounced shooty, not okay. So N - C makes a sound. And his last name is got to. He prefers to go by his middle name professionally, which is shooting. Well, that's fine. I didn't. I've only ever seen his name written. I haven't actually heard anybody say it. So. Pastor Newms:[22:35] I heard it. Once, but I can't remember it. Pastor Bill:[22:42] Yes, because they're supposed to have the exam, which says all 50 years on Disney Plus is supposed to be ironing out that deal to bring. Everything, all of Doctor Who on Disney Plus this year. So all the way from number one, all the way up to all of Jodie Whitaker's tenure and everything moving forward, it's supposed to come out on Disney Plus as it's released by the BBC overseas. Because like, right now I can't watch Doctor Who anywhere unless I download it. I don't have anywhere that I can watch Doctor Who. Pastor Newms:[23:33] Yeah. Right now it's on. I believe it's HBO, Max. And we get it through our AT&T. We have it through. Yeah. Pastor Bill:[23:44] So. I have Hulu. With HBO, Max. But the HBO Max that's with Hulu doesn't include foreign productions. So you can't watch Doctor Who on Hulu with HBO, Max. Pastor Newms:[24:12] Interesting. Pastor Bill:[24:20] Esker Boro, Week three. Oh, it's. It's okay. Pastor Newms:[24:21] Yeah, I already. I already deleted it. Pastor Bill:[24:26] I thought he was saying you could go somewhere to watch Doctor Who, and I was a bit like, Hmm. But no, you're right. It's. Pastor Newms:[24:30] Nope. Now it's gone. It's gone out of everywhere. But what you call it? Yeah. And it's about to be. Pastor Bill:[24:49] Well, it's gone. Whoever got rid of it, it's gone. All right. So. If you haven't been following along in season four, then you've missed. Three episodes. But we didn't get very far in what we're currently talking about. Pastor Newms:[25:06] Well. Well, I mean, we've gotten far. It's just we haven't gotten far. Pastor Bill:[25:13] If we're marking distance by numbers of chapter and verse. Pastor Newms:[25:17] Oh. Hmm. We haven't gotten far. Pastor Bill:[25:20] And we haven't gotten very far. Pastor Newms:[25:23] If you're basing it on that, we have not gotten very far now. Pastor Bill:[25:25] Right. We haven't got to read the first verse, number, and verse. And so this week, first off. Merry Christmas. We are currently in the 12 days of Christmas. Today is what, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, and 31. Is the eighth day of Christmas. I don't know why. I can't just remember which day is which when the eighth day of Christmas, we got Epiphany coming up. So that's fun. Epiphany is January 6th. The day when we celebrate the Wise men, the Magi, the men of Orient, the probably Zoroastrian individuals. Who brought gifts to Jesus with their caravans of camels and. And all the people that came with them. That's coming up. So that's exciting. That's not. I mean, not exciting, but it's exciting to me to mark those holidays, you know, for me personally. But I know a lot of people don't celebrate those things anymore. The commercialization of. Pastor Newms:[26:35] Mm hmm. Pastor Bill:[26:47] Christmas has proliferated greatly. I will just say it. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Any excuse to feel hope and inspiration and to reconnect with people that you haven't connected with in a while. And bury the hatchet and get rid of old grudges. Is a good deal. All right. The baby monitor was still on the receiver. Turn it off. Pastor Newms:[27:25] So. Okay. I was wondering if and could hear Nibbles over here. Nibbles is very loud at the moment, and I just ask the girls to come get her because she is, loud this weekend. Pastor Bill:[27:44] I don't hear the cat. Biggs says that he does. Pastor Newms:[27:48] Yeah, that's Nibbles being a something. Pastor Bill:[27:54] I don't hear it. So we started this. Pastor Newms:[27:55] Well. Pastor Bill:[27:57] We talked about Genesis one-one, and then we talked about Genesis one-two, and then we talked about John one-one, and then we talked about Genesis one-three and Genesis the first half of Genesis one-four. And we did all of that in the first three episodes, so. Where we pick up in this episode is the second half of Genesis one-four. And then we're going to go hopefully all the way through Genesis one-five. Although we may just burn right through this and be done early and be twiddling our thumbs. Pastor Newms:[28:40] Mm hmm. I'm sure. Pastor Bill:[28:42] Yeah. Genesis one-four. Last week we talked about God creating light and we talked about how it was less of the light to exist or light it exists and more of a light recognizing or calling out to the light. But we didn't really talk about it. Why we see it that way. Why we framed it that way. And where that comes from is here in verse five. So God creates the light. We're starting in the second half, of verse four. Yes. Pastor Newms:[29:25] Well, are we going to start in four? Pastor Bill:[29:31] So God sees the light that it's good. And then God separates the light from the darkness. Right. Now the word there is still gods. We're still talking about the plural. We're still using the plural for God, God's. And this word. Separated is. Is two words. It's. It's H914, which is baw-dal’ and it is H996, which is bane. Okay. Now, baw-dal’ is to distinguish as difference. To look at something and make a judgment and say the light and the darkness, we recognize them as two different things. And then, bane. Make sure I wrote this in my notes right. Pastor Newms:[30:39] Me to read it, have it open. Pastor Bill:[30:42] You don't have my notes open. Pastor Newms:[30:44] No, but I have the thing open. Pastor Bill:[30:49] And H996 is to declare a distinction between the two. Right. So he's making, God's making two statements here. He's declaring them as separate and seeing them as separate. So not only does God look at them and go, Well, you're two separate things, lightness and darkness. We talked about the light. There was that sentience of man. It was enlightenment, it was consciousness. And then that darkness was everything that's dark, right? It was misery and destruction and chaos. And all this stuff. And God is saying, well, these are two separate things. Two very separate things. Now, later. We're actually going to start calling those things good and evil when we get into chapter two. We're going to start using different terms. And the reason for the different terms is that like we talked about before. Genesis originally started with chapter two. And went on. And then when they went into captivity in Babylon, then they added chapter one, incorporating what the Babylonians knew about creation. Including those details into the story there at the beginning. And that's why there's this different viewpoint, different phrases for the same things. So this is the point where God is separating good and evil and saying these are actually separate things. These aren't just, you know, intermingled. And it's all it is what it is. It's not that's not what these things are. There is clearly good and there is clearly evil. And God can do that. Because God can deal in black and white. Pastor Newms, can you deal in black and white? Pastor Newms:[32:57] I like Gray a lot, huh? Pastor Bill:[33:00] I feel like the Sunday school teacher at this point. No, you cannot deal in black and white because you are human. Pastor Newms:[33:04] I like. Yeah, Yeah, I like Gray a lot. Um, I pretty much live in gray. Pastor Bill:[33:09] Yeah. Humans deal in gray. We do not deal in black and white. It is physically impossible for us to deal in black and white. They, God deals in black and white. God deals in pass or fail. So we see this in the character of God. We see this from the very beginning. Later on when we get to the ideas of salvation and we start talking about if you've broken one law, then you've broken all laws. If you're a sinner in one way, then you're a sinner. And always if you don't believe, then you're not saved. And it's a pass or fail. It's a yes or no. It's not a “Well, I was a good person” or “I went to church” or “I gave money to the poor,” and No, no, no. There was one answer. There was one question, and there was one answer. It was black and white. It was yes or no. It was not gray. There was no middle ground. We see that in the nature of God from the very beginning. Light and dark. Good and evil. Pastor Newms:[34:22] Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Pastor Bill:[34:26] That is the nature of God. That doesn't change. It doesn't. God deals. In black and white, right? Now. That's the nature of God. God also exists. In the business of mercy. Which is Jesus. We call that Jesus, right? Pastor Newms:[34:51] Uh huh. Pastor Bill:[34:52] Not just there's black and white. And humans are failing that. And then God goes, and I have an answer for it. And that's God's mercy. That's Jesus. And then Jesus offers salvation. And salvation is still this black and white. But it's being offered. When you haven't earned it, you don't deserve it. You're sitting over in the darkness and it gets off. It's still black and white, right? Impossible. And God says, Ha! But. I am Holy Spirit, too. I am the Comforter. I am the reminder. I can move in your life. And that's where we get that part of God, the Holy Spirit. And that gives us the grace to change. Right? And be worthy of the free gift that Jesus gifts. And we see all of that playing out. In that statement. God separated. The light. From the darkness. And so there's this great poetic thing going on here. And we're seeing the nature of God and we're seeing all this power of God. And we're only four verses in. Pastor Newms:[36:31] Mm hmm. Pastor Bill:[36:31] And this such as deep, deep, deep thing going on here. All right. And then we get to verse five. Okay. Now, you got to remember you're reading a poem. All right. Verse five. Is it? It's basically. I don't really know how to explain it other than to say if you reach out and you grab dough and you go to make a ball of dough and you go like this. And you squeeze that into the dough to make the finish off the ball. Verse five is that it's finishing off the ball of dough for this poem. That's a weird visual, but that's what I'm getting in my head. So. Pastor Newms:[37:22] A. Pastor Bill:[37:24] When you look at verse five. What you're reading is actually telling you what was happening in verses three and four. Okay. So this statement, God called the light day and the darkness he called night. That statement is what actually was seen to happen. And everything before that. This is the explanation of the nuts and bolts. Abatbrain on twitch. My wife says it is a bit odd. My little ball of dough thing. Pastor Newms:[38:11] It is. Pastor Bill:[38:11] But all of my analogies are odd, so I'm not surprised. Okay. So when we get to verse five, we see God and we're using the same still the plural for God's called. All right. And. And called there. We see that as God naming the lights. And it would be if this wasn't a poem. If this wasn't poetic, you know, wordplay. Right. But H7121 called. Which is kaw-raw’. A primitive route rather identical to H7122 through the idea of accosting a person met, to call out to that is properly addressed by name, but used in a wide variety of applications, and then gives you a list in the Strongs of all the different ways it's been translated. So what this is saying, this is actually showing you in verse four when God said, let there be light. That was them describing what God did. But what actually happened? Is God. Called out to or accosted the light by name like we were talking about in the previous episode. What actually happened is, is God went light, but he didn't because that's not the name of light. What is the name of light? The name of light is Yome or what we then call day. So in verse three, when he said, Let there be light. And the poem says, And God, you know, said, Let there be light. It's all wordplay for God addressing accosting, calling out to light as if it existed. And the name that it used for light was Yome. As if when Pastor Newms gives me a phone call. Like I said if it wasn't a weird thing for him to call me because he only calls me in emergencies. If he called me on a regular basis and he's my best friend, I saw his name on the phone. I would pick up the phone. I would go Newms! It's the same thing. God, said Yome. Called out to the light as if it already existed. As if it was an old friend. As if he already knew it. And at that point. It came into existence. It then existed. And then God compared. That, too. What was within himself? And then in verse. What is that verse four? No, where to? Pastor Newms:[41:28] For us. It's good. Pastor Bill:[41:33] Compare that saw. Compare that to what was within himself and declared it good. I see that within myself. That is good, right? And then. He did the same thing for the darkness. And he called the darkness. I think these are three different pronunciations of the same word. I don't think this is the actual word. It says lah’-yil, lale, and lah’-yel-aw. I think those are three diffeerent pronunciations. But he said that. And. And what that means is a twist away from the light or adversity. Right? So he addressed the night, the darkness as adversity, or a twisting away from the light, twisting away from life, twisting away from enlightenment, twisting away from, sentience, and all of that good stuff. The poet wrangles all that together. And says and the evening in the morning were the first day. Hey. God is talking and calls the light day. But it's not the word day. But that is what the humans then later called a day. They use that same word. Right. So we see the poet playing off of that wordplay. And using the word in both places. Because that's what God called it. And then he calls upon that in the same verse and says, Well, the first day. It's a different day. This is a human day now. Right. And we only have an evening and a morning. Because. God. Separated. The light from the darkness. So the poet's working on several levels. Here is the cosmic level where he's talking about good and evil, and then he's using wordplay to relate that to the reader the difference between sunshine and darkness and where those two meet in the evening and the morning. Which is the gray area. Where we live. Where we exist. Right. In that evening and in that morning. That's where we exist. We exist somewhere in between those light, and that darkness. And that was the first day. And so then when we looked back and we were talking about. The first day didn't end until the first day ended. Right. And well, and what we meant by that was we don't know when the first day began. For God, there could have been. Millions and millions of years. We talked about it in the first verse, God created the heavens and the earth we were talking about. That's a hands-on word, hands-on action, where you're building something up, using the baser elements. And we don't know how long in God's perspective that took. But there was no time yet. There was no marking of what we think of as time. There was no turning of day and night in seasons. And so we don't know how long. There was from the moment that God created the heavens and the earth, right? Started that work. The evening and the morning existing. To create the quote-unquote, first day. It's all very deep and very involved. And I encourage everybody to go back and reread those verses. Go back and listen to the first three episodes of season four. And. Let's back up. Now that we know we've worked through the holidays. We're settling down. We're ready to get things going. Make if you're going to make a New Year's resolution, make a resolution to be in. Right. So we say be very in. Because when we go to Acts, we find people fleeing from one place to another. And he goes to a town called Berea, and when he gets to Berea, he starts preaching. And the believers in Berea, not just the believers, but also the. The Jewish men, they refused to believe anything Paul said until they were able to go and find it themselves in the scriptures. They wanted to be able to go and own what Paul was preaching to them or, have grounds to dismiss it. They didn't want to just receive it. And Paul praised them as being more worthy than the highfalutin Jews over in Jewtown. He didn't use those words, but that was the equivalent of what he was saying. You guys are more worthy than the snooty guys over there. That's awesome, guys. Because they refused to believe what he was saying until they proved it for themselves. So if you're going to make a New Year's resolution and the last episode we talked about, a lot of people start in January, they're going to read the whole Bible in a year. And we talked about how I don't recommend that because it loses a lot of that deep study time because people don't read with intention. They read to just I got to get my daily reading done so I can make it through the year. Resolve to be buried. Go back. And look at these verses in the deep poetic terms that they are intended to be. Cross-reference that with the other parts of Scripture. And let what is one of the deepest chapters in the Bible speak to you, and revolutionize the way you think about this Sunday school topic of creation. You know, like it is. So there's so much there. And. Yeah, that's what I had for tonight. Look at that. 7:25. Pastor Newms:[49:22] It means you're 3 minutes early. Pastor Bill:[49:22] But we'll be whittling. Pastor Newms:[49:26] Right. We have 3 minutes to twiddle now. Pastor Bill:[49:29] We don't have to twiddle. We can. Pastor Newms:[49:34] Why are you playing with a grippy thing? Pastor Bill:[49:38] A clamp. It's a clamp. Pastor Newms:[49:40] I know. I forgot what the word clamp was for a minute, but I know its purpose. Pastor Bill:[49:50] Well, I know its purpose. It clamps. Pastor Newms:[49:51] It's one of those it's it's one of those where we weren't clever. Our English definition of explaining things was not clever. What is what does it do? It holds other things. It clamps one thing to another. What are we going to call it? A clamp. Pastor Bill:[50:08] From the clamp. Pastor Newms:[50:12] Let's like, call a vacuum. A vacuum? Why? Because it vacuums. Well, because it creates a. Yeah. Pastor Bill:[50:17] Because it uses a vacuum to suck things. Pastor Newms:[50:21] And. Pastor Bill:[50:25] Yeah. Did you have anything you wanted to add to any of that? Pastor Newms:[50:28] No, I mean, I think. Pastor Bill:[50:30] I didn't really stop and give you time to interject at any point, did I? Pastor Newms:[50:33] I think it's important as we look at these types of things, to think about the fact that, you know, it is not a simple aspect. And so often we look at it as such. And so it's good to take time to dig in and actually understand what the words mean and actually understand what. You know, is being said not just what is written, because it is definitely. English is not as we were just saying, you know clamp is clamp-like if it's not clever it is not pick up the artistry of other languages. Well. Pastor Bill:[51:16] It was clear. Pastor Newms:[51:29] You know, So I think it's one of the reasons why studying is so important. Pastor Bill:[51:35] It's hard enough to understand poetry in English. And then you take some other cultures, poetry, and you translate it to three different languages and then try to transliterate that in English. Pastor Newms:[51:52] It is complicated. Pastor Bill:[51:59] Yeah. All right. This podcast comes out every week on Wednesdays. Wherever you get your podcasts, if you found this, I don't know. Helpful, entertaining, funny, and inspiring. Or you think somebody might benefit from it, then like, follow share. Tell people we exist. And also, if you'd like to join us live and be a part of the conversation where you can type out your message and then we can respond and we can, you know, get a deeper explanation going on. If you have a question or something like that, then we do that on Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time. You can go to our website www.ekk.house to find out which Twitch which YouTube and which Facebook that we are live on, where you can catch that video and participate in the chat. As always, we are glad to have our listener base. And as we go into 2023, that hasn't changed. We're in season four, which means we're many, many, many episodes and several years into this thing. And we're quite thankful to just. I don't know. I guess I'm more thankful to have you Pastor Newms in my life than the platform itself. Pastor Newms:[53:29] It's the people that we interact with is more important than the. Pastor Bill:[53:30] You know. Pastor Newms:[53:36] Following, because that's not what's important. Pastor Bill:[53:37] Yeah, I mean, I know, I know. It's important to, you know, get the stuff out there and, and, you know, help people and make a difference in the world, but. You know, I'm not immune to the benefits of. What this does for me. So thank you, sir. For your part in my life. All right. Okay. So if you're with us live now, we have to do this thing that, you know, streaming some. Pastor Newms:[54:07] No, you didn't say. You didn't say and the next time and all that other stuff. So that way I can then say, be safe. You skipped all that. Go back and do it correctly. Pastor Bill:[54:19] I love you guys have a great week. Pastor Newms:[54:20] Be safe out there. Pastor Bill:[54:23] And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 4 episode 3 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always by Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:[0:15] Hola.

Pastor Bill:[0:17] How are you senior Pastor Newms? Took a nap and it made you happy.

Pastor Newms:[0:34] I did, I took a nap had some weird dreams though.

Pastor Bill:[0:38] Does a nap that made you happy, is it thereby defined as a nappy? You took a nappy.

Pastor Newms:[0:46] No, a nappy is something you put on a baby's butt.

Pastor Bill:[0:51] Ah it's also a certain classification of dirty greasy hair.

Pastor Newms:[0:58] That's spelled differently.

Pastor Bill:[1:00] How is it? How is that spelt?

Pastor Newms:[1:02] I don't know, but I know it's spelled differently.

Pastor Bill:[1:04] Okay okay well that's neither here nor there I don't know I don't know.

Pastor Newms:[1:10] I don't know, I don't even have any hair.

Pastor Bill:[1:15] Well you have, you got some you got the beard.

Pastor Newms:[1:18] That's not the same kind of hair.

Pastor Bill:[1:18] And you've got the chest hair.

Pastor Newms:[1:22] I have no chest hair you can't prove it.

Pastor Bill:[1:25] And you've got the back here.

Pastor Newms:[1:27] You can't prove that either.

Pastor Bill:[1:29] But not as much as there was this guy that I was in the internship with at Teen Mania. You know in that first when you first get there, you're you sleep out in the Quonset Huts like the long you know just long dome-tinted room with bunk beds. You're all using these communal showers one shower for the men one shower for the women this dude is so hairy on his chest and back that he looked like he was wearing a sweater vest, he even had it cut into a v in the front and then he had a cross shaved into the back.

Pastor Newms:[2:12] That's a look - okay.

Pastor Bill:[2:17] But that was crazy like he could be shirtless and from a distance, you'd swear he had a sweater vest on because it did the whole around here by the arms and then he had it a v-neck cut into the front of it, to make it look like a V, what's up Sarafina you gonna join us tonight, a v cut in the front there it was crazy good guy great guy really yeah it was weird, yeah, so how was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:[2:54] My week was.

Pastor Bill:[2:57] My way.

Pastor Newms:[2:59] It was.

Pastor Bill:[3:01] My week was a very week.

Pastor Newms:[3:05] It was pretty good I um… Was you know, busy at work. It's the end of the year and my job tends to get a little crazy towards the end of the year so.

Pastor Bill:[3:18] Yeah I was editing the transcript this week and you were saying you guys actually got busier in December which is the antithesis of how it goes.

Pastor Newms:[3:28] Antithesis to.

Pastor Bill:[3:30] In medical Tech.

Pastor Newms:[3:32] Every tech company I've ever worked at except for this one, but that's okay. You know, everyone has a different business model. We try to get a lot of stuff done at the end of the year and at the first of the year too. Bring more clients on right at the beginning and end and that is the business model they have chosen and that is all I will say about that, but yes.

Pastor Bill:[4:00] What trips me up in the nonprofit sector was always ending the year in August.

Pastor Newms:[4:12] The fiscal year.

Pastor Bill:[4:13] Yeah the fiscal year, is like it always just messes with my mind, ending the fiscal year in August and it not corresponding with the daily calendar and oh man. Wal Mart, right and then didn't they did the week's Week 1 week 2 week and you had to know, as a merchandising supervisor, you had to know what week you were in.

Pastor Newms:[4:45] You did and it did not correspond to the calendar.

Pastor Bill:[4:48] And it did not correspond to the calendar and you if you look at the calendar you went okay what week of the year is it that did not correspond with what merchandise week, it is in the numbers, you had to know and then you had to know what end caps were set for that week and the next week and what you could put together and then sometimes they would just leave you big holes in your department in electronics and they were like, “Just fill it with something…” and you're like, I have a hard enough time getting my general manager to approve orders on the things that are actually supposed to be there, that Walmart says they're supposed to be there I'm not going to get him to order me extra stuff for an empty spot, on my floor, that's not gonna so.

Pastor Newms:[5:37] Well let's be honest you were at probably the worst Walmart that I've ever seen.

Pastor Bill:[5:44] That's what I hear but it's the only WalMart I've ever worked at. So I don't really have anything to compare it to so.

Pastor Newms:[5:51] Oh yeah Biggs stated the Nissan year starts in April because they follow the Japanese year not the calendar year also.

Pastor Bill:[6:04] We'll see at least that makes sense. Like that's the cultural calendar from where the company exists there's some logic to that.

Pastor Newms:[6:14] It does make more sense than some others will the fiscal year.

Pastor Bill:[6:18] And just making up your own calendar.

Pastor Newms:[6:21] The fiscal year for retail makes sense too because you want to capture what money you lose to returns in January from Christmas. So that way you actually know what your fiscal year is or if you don't do that, what happens is the first month of your year is - and you, terrible for the year starting off and it hurts because you're years starting - and you spend the rest of the year trying to catch up as opposed to technically that revenue was captured in December and then lost in January. So it's it, that's the reason they do it and it makes sense from a. The way they fiscally are doing it so that way because it is technically lost from the Christmas sales so because of that it balances out so it works pretty well. My week's been pretty good, we also did today the church we visited. This is the third time we visited them, we actually took the girls and they have a full one of their ministries is a theater company. Not like, oh we have drama we do or not you know, hey, we have no but they actually have like a theater where they sell tickets throughout the year and it's a full production and tryouts and it's a full thing, box you know they have the you can order the whole years’ worth of stuff and go to all of them and they were doing Christmas Carol for Christmas which is logical. So they put on, for morning service they put on their Christmas Carol and then, so we got to see that for free. what other people had to pay for it that always makes me feel special love free things and then they had a church-wide Christmas party thing afterwards, where there was like everyone brought desserts and so there was a huge dessert bar and, just people just lots of people just people.

Pastor Bill:[8:36] People being people in.

Pastor Newms:[8:37] And so we sat with the co-worker that Tina has that is her friend. During that so that was good and just overall you know trying to, figure everything out there it's pretty cool place I think but still, you know checking it out. But yeah, so that was kind of cool and then last night we did our first night of our family celebration of Yule which was fun. You should be getting a picture of that from your present. So that's good we'll be doing that for the next eleven nights, until the solstice for Sez in his celebration as well. So that's good. The fire pit was a success, the one I ordered worked very well. We enjoyed it and everyone, most of the family, enjoys the Yule cake that I made. It's a cranberry-based cake so if you don't like cranberries, it's hard to enjoy a cranberry cake if you don't like cranberries like myself but.

Pastor Bill:[10:09] I like cranberry, sauce.

Pastor Newms:[10:11] No, so this is actually a, it's an old recipe that it's also called Christmas cake sometimes of course because you know dear people love to borrow things from other.

Pastor Bill:[10:23] Appropriate.

Pastor Newms:[10:24] Yeah we'll use that word.

Pastor Bill:[10:27] That's what it is. Its appropriation.

Pastor Newms:[10:28] It is it's also theft but that's okay that's what appropriation is, theft of culture.

Pastor Bill:[10:34] Appropriation is theft.

Pastor Newms:[10:36] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:[10:37] It's different there's appreciation which is, taking something and going hey this is a Yule cake, and we're going to enjoy it at Christmas, that's appreciation, then there's appropriation where you go, hey there's your cakes really good but I'm gonna change the name and pretend like it doesn't have some historical meaning attached to it.

Pastor Newms:[11:21] Three eggs and then, cranberries and so it's super simple it's nice and crumbly and traditionally you kind of leave it out. You don't like put it in the fridge or put it in the and by the end of Yule it gets a little harder and so it's almost like a bar by the end. The one I made is not going to last to the end of Yule I've already planned on buying more ingredients and making another because I wanted the Cranberries to be semi-fresh so I don't want to or buy them.

Pastor Bill:[11:57] Isn't part of the point for it to last and become a hardy you know through that you can continue to eat in the cold.

Pastor Newms:[12:06] That is the point of it, but Groggy is here this weekend which means.

Pastor Bill:[12:13] It’s not going to last.

Pastor Newms:[12:13] 7 people in the house. Last night, and even cutting them in like 1 by 1 squares a 13 by 9 only has so many squares in it so, I'm pretty sure it ain't going.

Pastor Bill:[12:32] I would imagine the 13 by 9 only has 13 squares across and 9 squares.

Pastor Newms:[12:38] That's if I actually measured and did inch squares which you know me, I didn't measure, and they are bigger than a one-by-one.

Pastor Bill:[12:47] Those were two-inch squares easily.

Pastor Newms:[12:51] If - because it was just knife carving knife you know. But it was good, fire and stuff which is fun I like fire I've limited the amount of wood we bought. We only bought you know a little bit of wood for each night and we're not doing the, belief that the fire has to burn the whole time or it's bad luck because well one, it doesn't you know the sun isn't not going to come back if the fire goes out says, it was like I was like do we need to keep this fire going and we tend it throughout the day and he's like no like okay cool I'll do it if we need to like if that's part of your not belief system but part of the traditions that you do.

Pastor Bill:[13:48] He was like I aint sitting out here and tending that fire.

Pastor Newms:[13:52] Relax and keep the fire going. We'll just light logs each night and like all right cool so that's kind of what we're doing and that's good it's been a good week how was your week?

Pastor Bill:[14:08] It was life, just you know walking the dog every day multiple times it probably like at least every hour.

Pastor Newms:[14:16] How's that doing for your health?

Pastor Bill:[14:20] I don't know I haven't noticed the difference yet.

Pastor Newms:[14:22] I mean like are your knees hurting a lot more are you are you doing okay doing that often?

Pastor Bill:[14:28] I mean as long as I sit down for a little bit after doing it each time, I'm fine. I mean I’ve just got to sit down and let my back recoup.

Pastor Newms:[14:36] I wasn't thinking that the standpoint that some people would take of oh you're walking. You don’t ever walk normally, you've obviously lost 190 pounds but doing it now I wasn't going that route I meant just.

Pastor Bill:[14:46] Actually, and I haven't lost a pound. It doesn't do anything for my weight you know.

Pastor Newms:[14:57] Because life's not magical.

Pastor Bill:[15:00] That's right life's not magical, and getting a dog at the end of October and walking it every hour except for while you were asleep for a month does not equal weight loss.

Pastor Newms:[15:14] Well to be fair if anything it would it could mark weight gain because you're using muscles you normally don't.

Pastor Bill:[15:24] Building up those muscles.

Pastor Newms:[15:25] Right and that's the worst part about weight is everyone's like most people measure by pounds and they're like, I'm so fat alright I've gotten fatter so I started working out you're like no no you haven't I can see that you look different, I can't tell real well because cameras you know but and I don't see all of you but there's that aspect of, if you do that then obviously you've lost weight if I do like this I look skinny but you know it just doesn't work that way none of us have that good of a tour so we're just pushing fat up so the, but I know there are people that get upset and they're like how I'm gained weight when I started working out you're like yeah but have you measured, and that's the other thing is looking at it from that standpoint. How do your clothes fit? How do your you know? Those types of things are important also not just, poundage because poundage is not how you measure that especially.

Pastor Bill:[16:31] That's another guy over there this week.

Pastor Newms:[16:50] But I just meant your pain levels, not your.

Pastor Bill:[16:51] No my panels are manageable, it's all right my bad there's been a few times where I've been limping the dog out but you know those aren't all the time. Anyway yeah, I mean other than you know you see I got this Christmas tie up.

Pastor Newms:[17:19] I do you see your Christmas tie.

Pastor Bill:[17:22] I've got this Christmas tree over here that I've added to my office Shelf ah.

Pastor Newms:[17:27] I am, I don't think I have anything Christmas.

Pastor Bill:[17:41] Put this in your stuff.

Pastor Newms:[17:43] We do have two Christmas trees this year. One that has no ornaments and isn't plugged in because I forgot that we, found a Christmas tree towards the end of last year middle of last year when we ordered it. I forgot I just remembered the fact that we didn't have one, and so we were doing something we were out there for the wedding, and Walmart the one over on Cheek Sparger had just put out their Christmas trees. So I found a six-foot black one and bought it and then brought it home and Tina's like, you know we already have one and I was like yeah of course I do, which I had forgotten a little bit oh okay I now do you want to be on camera or no just hand, okay I now have a black Christmas tree.

Pastor Bill:[18:46] That's not 6 foot that's um.

Pastor Newms:[18:48] That's this one's not 6ft does that work could not be seen that can't be seen and used to be over here we'll put it right here for Here We Go.

Pastor Bill:[19:01] Then I just put it right in front of the camera like.

Pastor Newms:[19:03] Right in front of the camera okay.

Pastor Bill:[19:06] Just sitting right in front there you go.

Pastor Newms:[19:07] So I have a Christmas tree now it's a wonderful Christmas tree and it's.

Pastor Bill:[19:14] Move it over Happy Halloween, nice.

Pastor Newms:[19:14] It's definitely a Christmas tree and nothing else other than a Christmas tree all right.

Pastor Bill:[19:22] Don't just move it over to the right, come on man move it to the right up hiding behind the tree okay is that right okay move it to the left then, hold it nope too far little bit more in a little bit more into the camera a little bit more little bit right there oh Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:[19:47] You want me to okay there's a second one I could technically bring it and put it right in front of the Saints but.

Pastor Bill:[19:54] It doesn't even look real it looks like you've added an image a PNG image into the shot,not a real tree.

Pastor Newms:[20:07] It looks purply because the red light right there, there's a red light right there, and there's a red light right there. That's the reflection of the red light that's over there and there's red lights right here but yeah so.

Pastor Bill:[20:28] All right so Biggs on Twitch asks what kind of dog did you get. My dog is a pit lab, it seems American Pit Bull and Chocolate Lab. I love her, she's great. She's a little stinker though sometimes she plays a little too hard with the kids, but she’s just a baby.

Pastor Newms:[20:55] Labs have that issue, I've never owned a pit, but well Kaiju has just a little bit but it's not much she's mainly lab but, never had a full mix and Kaiju doesn't understand that she's 65 pounds, she thinks that she is 10 pounds and she gets jealous Shyla will lay right here on your shoulder when you're sitting in a chair, and she puts her back she puts her front up here and then you're supposed to hold her butt and then and then she just cuddles just like a cat, yeah just like a 10-pound 12-pound cat you know no big deal she claws the whole way up but that's okay you know she's special and if you try to remove her, by shoulder meat but.

Pastor Bill:[21:49] Really at the claws then.

Pastor Newms:[21:50] Yeah you really get too close if that's the case but then she'll start whining and then try to climb up in the chair with you, and I'm not talking like you know big fluffy lazy boys I'm talking just like chair, you know we've got these swirly, these swivel chairs that are like you know the only the backs only go like, this tall on your back you know. She'll try to pick her up and you're holding her and then she gets right here and she's like I could do it and the tails just, you know smacking you over and over again because she's happy and you're just like oh my gosh you got to get down. But yeah she so I can do it too just dad look, and it doesn't it doesn't work here like no no baby you can't it hurts you got to get down because she has no idea.

Pastor Bill:[22:44] But I is baby.

Pastor Newms:[22:46] Yeah so yeah dogs are fun.

Pastor Bill:[22:56] All right so now it's time for. Getting To Know The Pastors.

Pastor Newms:[23:02] See this is the problem, I think we do enough of this in the opening that we don't have to do these cards, and yet you say we have to do these cards. Let's just see… if you were to create just create not go to but create.

Pastor Bill:[23:17] Okay I'm creating something.

Pastor Newms:[23:19] The ultimate vacation destination. Where would it be located and what would it be like? Now here's my question if I can create the ultimate vacation spot right I would assume that I can also create the means to get there.

Pastor Bill:[23:55] I mean you own the place you could technically live there.

Pastor Newms:[23:59] No, I mean like if I'm granted a wish of the ultimate vacation spot by definition, if you were the Jinn doing this you'd have to then create the ability to get people their back or wouldn't be the ultimate vacation spot because no one could go there, okay cool alright go ahead.

Pastor Bill:[24:23] It sounds like you've put more thought into this than I have what you what do you what do you brewing over there.

Pastor Newms:[24:34] Under the Sea. The domed like Atlantis style amusement park under the sea.

Pastor Bill:[24:42] There's that one hotel that only has one room.

Pastor Newms:[24:47] And they.

Pastor Bill:[24:48] And it is a submerged room.

Pastor Newms:[24:54] That's what I'm thinking Atlantis Style, like domed sea creatures all around you hopefully, the meg is not real, and you know we're good to go.

Pastor Bill:[25:10] The meg is not real.

Pastor Newms:[25:12] Don't start cuz I got someone in this house that believes the meg is 100% real and so no man don't start this conversation we will lose it.

Pastor Bill:[25:23] Dude I can't swim in swimming pools if they're too deep because of my fear of deep-water animals so, I understand the fear.

Pastor Newms:[25:40] I won't swim in the ocean, and I won't swim in lakes. Catfish get too big and there are other things other than catfish that can just crawl up from other places and there goes your foot you had a foot you got a foot.

Pastor Bill:[25:56] Zaydiee, were doing Get To Know The Pastor's. The card was, if you could create a destination is what are you talking about.

Pastor Newms:[26:02] Oh Zaydiee knows what we're talking about. Zaydiee knows what we're talking about.

Pastor Bill:[26:11] Or she asking what are you talking about who believes the meg is she's just so guy you've been naughty better now you gotta expose somebody.

Pastor Newms:[26:17] Nah I'm good.

Pastor Bill:[26:20] Who in your house believes the meg is real?

Pastor Newms:[26:22] The megalodon is real. Its knowledge.

Pastor Bill:[26:26] It's you isn't it? You're the one that believes the meg is real, isn't it?

Pastor Newms:[26:30] We have proof that the Meg was real.

Pastor Bill:[26:34] Once. We don't have proof that there are any more.

Pastor Newms:[26:38] We don't have proof there's not.

Pastor Bill:[26:40] It's true there are depths of the ocean we've never been to.

Pastor Newms:[26:45] That's why I believe Nessie is real too. Some of Tina's favorite movies are The Meg and, she loves them and I'm like no that's real, there's those fall right into my I don't do ghost movies and I don't like zombies, see she believes they still exist as well.

Pastor Bill:[27:14] So we watched The Meg, and you know there's some jump scares in that movie and if I remember if I'm remembering correctly Roxanne you know I was just unaffected by it Roxanne was like isn't this scary to you? I was like no, because I would never be caught dead in that underwater enclosure so it's not realistic I would never be in that situation so that is not scary to me because I wouldn't go in. I would be firm on the land.

Pastor Newms:[27:48] What if your wife and kids had gone and now they're trapped would you go to save them.

Pastor Bill:[27:57] What good would it do to have me die too? What purpose would that serve?

Pastor Newms:[28:05] Hmm, mmm, man Rox hun, Bat-Brains you gotta come fix your man.

Pastor Bill:[28:21] I said so much every other day the kids asked me some question if blah blah blah blah blah would you come would you save me so if I got kidnapped, would you pull a Liam Neeson and come and save me and I was like I don't have those skills. And Roxanne showed me this dirty-look and I was like, what? I don't. I couldn't save them. Well would you at least pay the ransom dad? With what would I pay the ransom with.

Pastor Newms:[28:59] Oh, Shea family, y'all are dead if anything happens to y'all. Just so you know, Pastor Bill cannot help you.

Pastor Bill:[29:08] I cannot help you, I do not have the skills of Liam Neeson. I do not have the money ofBruce Wayne. I am unhelpful in a kidnap situation in any way. Well, you aren't either I mean come on honestly.

Pastor Newms:[29:28] No but I thought I would.

Pastor Bill:[29:30] If your kid was kidnapped there's nothing you could do about it but call the police and sit on your hands and wait for something to happen.

Pastor Newms:[29:37] I honestly don't think I could. No, I would have to at least try.

Pastor Bill:[29:48] You'd want to try.

Pastor Newms:[29:49] I'd have to call in some favors. I have to find some numbers from old books but, doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.

Pastor Bill:[30:05] I have a very specific set of historically documented skills. And they don't handle kidnapping. You call me for other things. You don’t call me for kidnapping, you call me for other things.

Pastor Newms:[30:22] That is true.

Pastor Bill:[30:23] Kidnapping is not on that list.

Pastor Newms:[30:24] Kidnappings is not on your list. I'd have to make some phone calls, but I would try hmm it's been 20 years.

Pastor Bill:[30:33] Alright so my place.

Pastor Newms:[30:35] Aha.

Pastor Bill:[30:37] So I really when that question comes up my brain automatically remembered the day in Panama that we spent on the beach. it was the Gulf of Mexico really, but it was on the beach in Panama. White Sands, lots of shade where you didn't have to be in the sun if you didn't want to, the water was crystal clear all the way down, and so you know, and it wasn't that deep you could go swimming you know. You could see what was going on and so my brain automatically goes, well I should create something like that. Nice little water area where you're technically outside but you don't have to be in the sun if you don't want to. Nice big canopy where you know if you want to be in the sun go over there, if you don't want to be in the sun you come over here, and you can swim if you want and there's snorkeling if that's your thing and just hanging out. That'd be my place.

Pastor Newms:[31:48] I see.

Pastor Bill:[31:50] And at one point okay so the water was like super warm crystal clear, super warm, and then it started raining, and the rain was like super cold but it wasn't too heavy and the water that you were in was super warm and so it's like this awesome mix of just, being submerged in warm water while this cold rain fell on your head and it's beautiful scenery, and yeah it was great.

Pastor Newms:[32:19] I'm going to take your word for it.

Pastor Bill:[32:24] By far one of the best, what did we call those days when you're on a missions trip and you went off? Excursion, best excursion day of all of my missions trips, it beats bamboo rafting down the river and then swimming at the base of a waterfall in Thailand hands down. Although that might have had something to do with the leeches, that we then had to pull off of ourselves when we were done swimming. Anyway, so yeah that's my thing, and riding elephants was fun, except don't sit on the neck unless you've won more than just blue jeans because those little hairs on elephant necks are tough, and they will poke right through your blue jeans. That is a prickly ride down a mountain, stay where you're at.

Pastor Newms:[33:37] Yeah yeah.

Pastor Bill:[33:42] All right all right.

Pastor Newms:[33:43] Here I do say there is somewhere I want to go I want to take the girls because I haven't yet, there's a lost sea here in this area and it's you basically go down. Well it's called the lost sea because when they found it they were like oh this was lost to time you know blah blah blah, but you go down into it, and it's an underground system of caves that they've you know been taking people through for who knows how many years. So because of that you know, it's built up nice and its still very much, do do do do do do. Glass bottom boat, and you go on this sea, like you know it's an underground lake. It's gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous and like during the prohibition time there was a bar down there. Today its carved, like they've carved stairs into the rock and you can't actually use the stairs because they're too dangerous or not because it's too dangerous but the funny thing is when your lower. This is a funny story when you're lower you don't feel the effects of alcohol as much because of the way the, something about the air and something about them and so then as you go up the stairs you feel the effects this is what they tell you at least I don't know if this is true might be you feel the effects of the alcohol more as you get into. You know miss you get back up and so some people would open the door and then like, the wind would come in and they'd fall back down the stairs and so it was actually a hazard, to drink down there. But you know, it was the prohibition, so people did it anyway. It's called The Lost Sea.

Pastor Bill:[35:48] did they carry the pieces down and build the boat on the Lost Sea? Or did they somehow transport the boat whole into the hole? It feels as perplexing as seeing those pirate ships in a bottle like. Okay.

Pastor Newms:[36:24] It's a pontoon boat Biggs says, I don't know if that answers the question.

Pastor Bill:[36:29] They might have just carried it down there then.

Pastor Newms:[36:33] I mean it's not a huge for anyone who wants the information there you go.

Pastor Bill:[36:45] TheLostSea.com.

Pastor Newms:[36:47] But it's.

Pastor Bill:[36:48] Ready to take an unforgettable adventure? Take a boat ride underground. You've never seen, heard, or done anything like this before.

Pastor Newms:[36:56] How do you see what I did you click the.

Pastor Bill:[36:56] Listed in the Guinness Book of Records your lost the adventure begins with a guided tour of the caverns this includes a three-quarter mile round trip walk on a wide sloping pathways, while touring that's all I got. You were like, “How are you, how are you reading what I.” what did you think about that.

Pastor Newms:[37:19] Because I was like, wait did you click the link to stop clicking links man you're not I'm the one who does random stuff while we're doing this you're the one who tries to stay focused. What's wrong?

Pastor Bill:[37:34] I accidentally turned on the movie I was watching earlier. And so suddenly the movie Bohemian Rhapsody at 50 minutes in started playing over my head buds and I was like, what is that where's that music what's going on. It was over on this screen behind my notes I didn't see it I just because I tapped my ear.

Pastor Newms:[38:01] Oh yeah, the boats aren't that big, you basic they're just like seat CC and then like foot room and it's glass and so they probably it's nice I like it.

Pastor Bill:[38:17] So season 4 episode 1. Picked up Genesis chapter 1 and verses 1 and 2. And then and that was called in the beginning and then episode 2 which we called also in the beginning, we did John chapter 1 verses 1 through 4. You can get rid of the tree if you'd like, you don't have to leave the Christmas tree there it's fine. All right, now tonight in episode 3 the title is turn up the house lights.And we are looking at Genesis chapter 1 versus 3 and four so let's read.

Pastor Newms:[39:17] So can I take a guess what we're talking about.

Pastor Bill:[39:21] We're talking about Genesis chapter 1 verses 3 and 4.

Pastor Newms:[39:24] Does it have to do with light - based on the title?

Pastor Bill:[39:28] Based off the title of tonight's episode you would probably be a good.

Pastor Newms:[39:34] Yay I guessed it.

Pastor Bill:[39:39] All right you want to put in the chat Genesis chapter 1 verses 3 and 4 there. Actually, we're not going to get all the way through verse four. We're going to do the first half of verse 4. Then God said let there be light and there was light God saw the light was good and that's only half of verse 4 because that's as far as we're going to get, not actually going to get into the and God separated the light from the darkness okay. Because we're not going to get that far we've only got 14 minutes.

Pastor Newms:[40:23] Well I mean I'm sorry the conversation was lively.

Pastor Bill:[40:29] The conversation was lively.

Pastor Newms:[40:32] I'm bad at following times you know this.

Pastor Bill:[40:34] (Singing to the tune of “Let it Snow”) The weather outside is frightening but the conversation is lively.

Pastor Newms:[40:43] Please just go, no I mean in that song There's a great thing because there's some mixed historical, things about what that song could mean and someone did a spoof where the girls doing the same exact parts, but the guys like no you need to go well.

Pastor Bill:[41:07] That's a different song but yeah.

Pastor Newms:[41:08] Is it.

Pastor Bill:[41:10] Hey you're talking to your thinking about “Baby It's Cold Outside”.

Pastor Newms:[41:12] Oh I was.

Pastor Bill:[41:13] Totally different song, yeah the song you're talking about was featured on.

Pastor Newms:[41:18] My brain I'm sorry.

Pastor Bill:[41:21] That Christmas movie on Netflix. I can’t remember the name of it but it's got that, the comedian the Asian comedian has the glasses what his name is. He's done a few Netflix special comedy specials can’t remember his name anyway that's not that's neither here nor there.

Pastor Newms:[41:46] Is Grayson praying for us to stop and be focused or.

Pastor Bill:[41:49] Grayson is praying for our mental sanity he's like oh dear Lord help them, Lord.

Pastor Newms:[41:57] What is it what is he praying for exactly?

Pastor Bill:[42:00] So Genesis 1 chapter 3 in our translations it says then God said let there be light and there was light okay now when we go to, the Strong's to find out what words are actually they're right we find out that there's one, two, three, four, five, six words. There's only six words here okay, and the words using the same translation the words are “God said be light; be light” are the words. There is no “then” there is no “let there” and there is no “and.” It's just God said be light be light. So, there's a lot of context that has to be thrown in to make a sentence like and God said let there be light and there was light. The problem with contexts when you're talking about something like Genesis chapter one is you have no context. The only way to add words to what's being said, is to make them up is to go well in the future, because we see what happens in the future, we think that what they're saying here is this, and we backwards paste our expectation onto earlier scriptures. And say well we're going to translate this way because of what we read later and what we find out later, but when we break it down and we look at just the words that are there to try to get this deeper understanding and this deeper look at what's going on. Once again, we don't necessarily find the translation to be wrong, but we do find the translation to be shallow. And we don't find it to be bad, but we do find it to be more leaning in a poetic form. So it's crafting this poetic idea that they're trying to communicate, but it's coming across without any of its depth and it's supposed to flow like poetry so it's not hitting all of that those markers of substance that we want, when we're reading the Bible so let's look at the words that are actually there, the first word is God but the God there is that same word for God that we've been seeing so far, in verses 1 and 2 which is Elohim I've got my e-sword up here on the right-hand side of the screen, you can kind of see some of it if you're watching the video, the word there's Elohim it's H430 which is that plural of God which is God's or Divine beings we talked about last week. This definitely included Jesus, because John told us, in the beginning, was the word we also saw that the commentaries really preferred either plan promise provision or motive, instead of translating as word. And then the motive becomes. Human. He is Jesus. So Jesus was there in the beginning, it's part of this plural but it doesn't negate other beings being a part of the creation as well. We apply that understanding to the text like I said because of what we learned later. Now in its original form Genesis chapter one wasn't even, like we said in episode one of season 4 it wasn't a Jewish text it's not a Christian text it's not an Abrahamic text. It's actually a chapter they borrowed when they were in captivity in Babylon, so the meanings of these words could very well have intended by its original writers, to include a whole Pantheon of beings when it said Elohim and it meaning you know a Pantheon of Gods. God said for the Gods, I said now the said there is well it's aw-mar’ H559 if you're following along in a Strongs Thesaurus. It is to say and it's used with great latitude it is answer a point of ouch bid boast self call certify challenge charge, um Man commandment commune there's a lot of words there I'm not going to read all of those because it's a pretty lengthy list of things that you can, technically use this word to mean because of that great latitude but you get the idea here of what that word is said. Okay, then we get to the next word, which is be. Now be is haw-yaw’ H1961 and that is to exist be or become come to pass always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary. Yeah, it's not a passive word, it's not a side word it is a main word. My words are failing.

Pastor Newms:[48:28] I'm like what were you trying to say.

Pastor Bill:[48:31] It's a main word all right, exist and then the next word is light which is ore is the pronunciation there, H216 which comes from H215 and it is illumination for concretely luminary, every sense of the meaning of the word luminary including lightning happiness Etc. It can be bright clear day like lightning morning sun, but even there. Light in this actual in this context right because we have two verses before this is our only actual context. In the context of those two verses and what we broke them down and saw what they meant and how deep they were and what this scene is that we've with it has been painted for us, light is an over simplification of the translation of the word ore. Just like saying darkness in verse 2 which is the word kho-shek’ was an over simplification of that word because that word kho-shek’, is the word darkness, they translated as Darkness or the dark that one's H2822 from verse 2 which is this chapter one but when we looked at it we saw that it meant that means darkness - figuratively misery destruction death ignorant sorrow wickedness darkness night of security, it doesn't just mean dark is in the absence of visible light that word is so much more than that and to just translate it as darkness as is an over simplification, of the message. They're just like light is an oversimplification of this the concept of what's happening here, is so much deeper than we can really wrap into finite words to try to explain what's going on. But basically, there's always void in this darkness and there's you know the Earth is there and the spirit of God is moving or we said warring could be it was a very aggressive word, on the face of the deep against the darkness against misery and sorrow and all these things. There was no way for life to exist that spark of life wasn't anywhere in the universe. And last week when we were going in John chapter 1 we got to that verse 4 and we were talking about the all of my commentaries agree that the light, was you know the motive was the light in the light was the life of men. That light they were talking about was sentience that it was the spark of life that it was what separates life from not life and that allowed human beings to then, take that step up to awareness of your surroundings and wanting to better ourselves the basic things that are sentience and enlightenment. So then we go back to Genesis and we look at well, were oversimplifying all these words so this light that may have been the word that was used but the meaning behind this word. Is spark of existence is the ability of life, is happiness, is brightness, is joy this all these things, are all tied up right in this work. And so when we look at this verse again and we take everything that we saw in Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 and verse 2 and then we go to verse 3 we no longer see, God said let there be light we get this mental image of God, greeting an old friend named light as if light already exists. So it's this concept of if Newms called me and we hadn't talked in a few days, and it wasn't weird for him to call me because normally he just text, but if it wasn't for him to call me and we hadn't talked in a few days when I picked up the phone I would say, “Newms!” And I would greet my old friend as if he existed right there with me this is the concept were reading about in Genesis 1:3, God said, “Light!” Greeting light as if it existed, happiness joy life the existence of Life the spark of life greeted it as if it existed, called out to something that didn't exist as if it did exist and he was very familiar with it. And then light existed, that's the concept that we're looking at in verse 3. Does that make sense?

Pastor Newms:[54:14] Yeah, it's not just like flip the switch thing it's the way it is still making something exists, but it is definitely in a different, feeling then what is sometimes conveyed, to people it is.

Pastor Bill:[54:38] And you get a lot of questions at this point. How did light exist if the sun didn't exist yet? How does this work? Why? Well , it's because we're not actually talking about.

Pastor Newms:[54:49] Lights.

Pastor Bill:[54:50] The light that you are perceiving with your eyes. We're talking about happiness and life and joy and, this is the word that we've translated as light it's not actually light rays from a light source that's not what's being created here. So then we get to the next verse see we're already out of time and I've probably got 15 more minutes in me.

Pastor Newms:[55:12] Let's be honest I might have elongated the beginning, so it's okay.

Pastor Bill:[55:19] So I'm going to go for 15 more minutes and then what we'll call it okay. So we get to verse 4 and we're using the same word for God. Remember we’re only going to do the first half of verse 4. We got the same word that's just this multiple word were talking about this plural God, and then we get to the word saw okay. And this word That We're translating as saw (surprise-surprise) is an oversimplification. The word saw is actually a compound of two separate words or rather it's the usage of two separate words raw-aw’ and ayth. Raw-aw’ is H7200 and ayth is H853 those are those numbers if you want to go look those up. Now, H7200 is to see, literally or figuratively it's used in numerous applications direct and implied transitively in transitively and causative lie, it is advised yourself appear approved behold considered discern make to enjoy have experienced gaze take heed. It's all the things that you would think of for seeing. Yeah, it is saw that word ayth, however. Is in the demonstrative sense of entity properly self, but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition even or namely as such unrepresented in English well, I'm here to tell you how to represent that in English. You ready okay. Raw-aw’ ayth is to look within yourself. So the gods or God looked within themself. It looked within themself and what they found there they found the light. It looked within themself found the light that they had just created. And judging it against themself saw that it was good okay? So God looked inside of himself and given everything that God was, God is, God always will be, judge the light against that. And based off of what God saw inside of himself he declared that it was good. The that there kee H3588. Nothing deep about that word it's just prepositional prefect's its, it indicates casual relationships of all kinds. It's the word that and the word good is tobe, it's H2896, it's good as an adjective in the widest sense use likewise as a noun both in the masculine and the Feminine singular and the plural, good a good or good thing a good man or woman good goods or good things good men or women also an adverb well beautiful best better Bountiful cheerful at ease, fair word be in favor fine glad good, deed, deedlier deadliest deadly deed - Deeds, graciously joyful kindly kindness like if like it's best loving Mary most Pleasant, please have pledged your precious Prosperity ready sweet wealth welfare bewell be favored, good means. In all the sense of good right. It doesn't mean good for something it doesn't mean, taste good it doesn't mean oh yeah that's good but it's not best it doesn't mean you know oh I'm good but I'm not well it doesn't mean you know it's not these modern ways that we use the word good, by good, he was in Eternal fate, that this thing in the widest sense of the definition. Was beautiful best better Bountiful cheerful it's this all-encompassing word of that is a good thing always, God looked within himself and he compared the light to what he saw inside of himself that it was good, remember that light is life that light is that spark of creation that light is, is all the things that would come to be enlightenment it is all the things that would come to be tensions it is all the things that, cause the universe to spin and causes gravity to work and causes you know everything to be, moving and growing and changing and that, without that light, everything just sat stagnant in death and Decay and misery. Darkness there was no moving forward there was no spark there was no change there was no sentience there was no existence. There was just cold dark rocks and primordial ooze. Until God greeted light as an old friend, causing light or causing life to exist spark of life to exist compared life to himself and went yeah life is good. Genesis chapter 1 verses 3 through the first half of verse 4. See what we relegate to elementary school we relegate toSunday school and we relegate to a quippy poem, written in archaic version of English that we've been tried to dumb down and translate down and transliterate into the easiest version to read, it's really some of the heaviest stuff in the Bible it's so deep and so existential. It blows my mind every time I go back and start to study it again. How deep the pictures that are being painted actually are in Genesis chapter 1. Pastor Newms, you have anything you want to add to that?

Pastor Newms:[1:03:36] No it's exactly like you said we so often look upon, you know these topics and we glaze over them based on, the English that used to be glazed over them based on what we've been taught and you know it's probably some of the most read parts of the Bible.

Pastor Bill:[1:04:02] Second to John 3:16 but yeah.

Pastor Newms:[1:04:04] Yeah because and the reason I say this is every year, probably Millions but at least thousands of Christians start a reading plan start with Genesis and then fail somewhere around you know either the Minor Prophets or, you know Numbers cuz some people don't and so.

Pastor Bill:[1:04:29] If you're reading the whole Bible in the course of the Year Kudos that's great but you might as well be reading the phone book I mean.

Pastor Newms:[1:04:39] Well.

Pastor Bill:[1:04:40] Once you're actively studying what are you reading, if you're just reading it to read it and you're not listening to Holy Spirit and you're not pacing yourself.

Pastor Newms:[1:04:50] There you go.

Pastor Bill:[1:04:51] Right because if you're trying to read it in a year you're reading three chapters a day at least.

Pastor Newms:[1:04:57] You are but.

Pastor Bill:[1:04:59] Unless you're sitting down and taking all day to read those three chapters you're probably missing a lot.

Pastor Newms:[1:05:07] There are some of us that read, and comprehend differently everyone learns differently the spirit speaks to everyone differently so there are people who do get, out of a daily Bible reading like that they do because they take the time to listen to the holy spirit so there is.

Pastor Bill:[1:05:27] But it's I would say probably one percent of people that are doing yearly Bible readings are those people.

Pastor Newms:[1:05:34] I don't know if it's quite that low but it is lower than what people anticipate the key though is the listening, and a lot of people there are some people who do the reading and don't do the listening, and those are normally the people who will not make it through because you're not going to get anything out of, large portions I never make it through because I forget it exists because.

Pastor Bill:[1:06:07] I never make it through because they're like Read Genesis chapters 1 through 3 today and I'm like I get through the first five verses of Genesis and I'm done for the day and I'm like I'm so far behind by the end of the first week, but I'm like I can't even catch up at this point. I can't even catch up.

Pastor Newms:[1:06:28] No I understand but I'm just saying there are so because of that this is some of the you know most read parts of the Bible because if you pick up a book you start at the beginning and that's what everyone does and so, it's interesting how much people will miss if they just blow through it, don't think on it don't apply the, the studying aspect and just blow through reading it because all I know the Judges I know Genesis is easy I've been taught Genesis since I was little like that's an easy story I know it just like put, do you understand the meanings behind the heavy words that are used not just, you know yes this happened.

Pastor Bill:[1:07:24] And if you try to translate Genesis with all that weight behind it, they would probably be 10 times longer you know if you really tried to explain in the full concept of what actually is there. Now you don't think so.

Pastor Newms:[1:07:45] Because I mean, you get into farther parts of Genesis and there's even weightier stuff that would take you know there's this some of its real big so I do.

Pastor Bill:[1:08:04] Honestly honestly I don't even think, I don't even think Genesis is a good place to start if you're a new Christian or if you're just like, I'm gonna start reading the Bible I don't think Genesis is a good place to start anyway like we said like the first ten chapters of Genesis, they're not Christian text or not Abrahamic text or not Jewish texts there straight history, from the viewpoints of other cultures, that then someone in the Jewish realm said that seems like truth to me we're going to include that. I used to really start in Genesis and then as Jesus makes references.

Pastor Newms:[1:08:54] You said Genesis as you should start in Genesis I know that's not what you meant.

Pastor Bill:[1:08:59] You should start in Math maybe not Matthew. I would think I would start in mark.

Pastor Newms:[1:09:08] You would a lot of people say start in John.

Pastor Bill:[1:09:12] Mark was the first one next you write the Gospel his gospel and then.

Pastor Newms:[1:09:15] No I understand why you would say.

Pastor Bill:[1:09:17] Matthew and Luke both had a copy of Mark when they were writing there's and then you know John is good, but even John is a little deep for starting I think it would be better started Marks you get the overview of the story and then we John so you get the deeper behind the story, and then move on beyond there and honestly only go back to the Old Testament, when the New Testament references it. And then when you're done with the New Testament if you like you know what I want to go do a deep study about you know what all this stuff is and the origins of it didn't go back to the Old Testament. And read through it because the New Testament when they quote the Old Testament they're very clear that they're quoting the Old Testament and you can easily go back and go okay well where's this quoting and if you don't understand it. It's all cross-referenced Every Bible you're ever going to get it's going to have cross-references so that you can go back and understand what you know why they're saying it this way why they do it that way. The only time you should be in the Old Testament is when you intend to study you shouldn't just be there to read. That's my take on it.

Pastor Newms:[1:10:44] Yeah I.

Pastor Bill:[1:10:45] You may disagree that's and that's okay.

Pastor Newms:[1:10:46] We do on this one and that's okay the eye I like both as far as, if you are a new Christian I agree with you wholeheartedly please, he's starting the New Testament because you're going to get caught up in some stuff and not until you understand the grace of the New Testament you can get caught up in some Old Testament stuff that's going to flip you but.

Pastor Bill:[1:11:12] Yeah for goodness sakes First and Second Kings are just lists of ways that people are screwed up and need a savior like, that's all first and second Kings are and Judges. Judges is the same way.

Pastor Newms:[1:11:27] Yeah so I mean it's definitely the old.

Pastor Bill:[1:11:30] List of example after example after example after example after example of why we need a savior and you're sitting here reading these awful things, and thinking is this cool it's just okay that things that they're doing and it's like no it's not. That's the whole point of that book.

Pastor Newms:[1:11:49] Yeah the whole point of the first half is “no” and so. I do think once you have settled there is time to there is a time to reflect on the whole thing.

Pastor Bill:[1:12:04] But see that's the thing is the reflect not just read but actually take it in. Let me add on a qualifier then casual. Do not casually read the Old Testament.

Pastor Newms:[1:12:36] Right.

Pastor Bill:[1:12:38] That's my qualifier because most people casually read.

Pastor Newms:[1:12:43] That's true I'll give you that one I'll give you.

Pastor Bill:[1:12:47] Should never be casually reading.

Pastor Newms:[1:12:49] I don't think I'm able to casually read I don't think that's why I have so many books behind me.

Pastor Bill:[1:12:57] You can casually read the book of Acts you can, you literally have there's no hidden secrets in the book of Acts it is literally God did this miracle for the church then God did this thing through the church and then God did this thing too. And if they're not excited about God moving on the Earth, then you can casually read it. Now myself Acts doesn't particularly excite me, it just doesn't. I get it God moves God does things I believe it, it's cool, other people read acts and they get all excited about it and that's fine for them that's cool but you can technically casually read it you don't have to do a whole bunch of study to take any information there. The Old Testament is not written that way. All right well that's what we have for tonight I hope you guys enjoyed it. The Berean Manifesto comes out every Wednesday at 7 p.m. as a podcast wherever you get your podcasts. If you've enjoyed this episode, it's helped you or you think it might help someone else. Please like, share, follow - all the things on social media and where are you get your podcasts. That really helps expand our reach and then forward a link to someone you know might benefit from this episode or one of the other episodes that we've done. We do recorded these episodes live on video on Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, you can go to our web site www.ekk.house, and see which Twitch, which Facebook, and which YouTube you can go to watch us live and also participate in the chat while we're recording, and we can interact with you if you have questions or you have comments or you just want to send a pray hands symbol because you think we've lost our minds and you're praying for our mental sanity, that's fine too thank you Grayson for that emoji earlier, I think that is all we have for tonight right.

Pastor Newms:[1:15:11] That is all we have I think.

Pastor Bill:[1:15:15] So happy Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Yule, Christmas, Saturnalia. Whatever you're celebrating this time of year it's fine, I'm going to say Merry Christmas because I celebrate Christmas, I don't say that because I expect you to celebrate Christmas. I say that because while I'm celebrating, I hope, that you were having a bright and merry time in that time. However you celebrate it. Love you guys hope you have a great week.

Pastor Newms:Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:[1:15:54] And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 4 episode 2 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms. How are you Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:[0:15] I'm good how are you doing.

Pastor Bill:[0:21] I'm doing alright. My sinuses are all out of whack still, so I've got a lot of drainage and having a lot of issues with that but. Coughing and what not so I'm on a lot of antihistamines, and some Afrin, and lots of cough drops so. So how was your week?

Pastor Newms:[0:46] I'm sorry to hear that um is probably the best I can um so. My week? My week was okay I worked a lot.,Pastor Bill:[1:09] No I'm sorry to hear that.

Pastor Newms:[1:11] Yeah I worked a lot. And so that was that was you know it is what it is trying to get, we got a lot of projects and for some reason people are wanting them all done at the end of the year which is odd for software, but it is what it is. Usually in most software companies December is pretty much non-existent but in this particular healthcare company, we busy. It's like we're busier than we were two months ago busy, and that's weird for December but you know it is what it is. So I worked a lot. I picked up the Pokemon game again and started playing it some, the new Pokemon Scarlet played some Space Engineers.

Pastor Bill:[2:02] Phoenix when could I not see your communications? Phoenix on Twitch says “Can Bill now see my communications?” Could I not see your Communications before?

Pastor Newms:[2:15] Confused by her question did you say hello and welcome already so no.

Pastor Bill:[2:26] Okay so I saw the nerdy smiley face came through but that just says Fina we 656 raid run teeny-weeny 656 hula.

Pastor Newms:[2:41] Yeah no. So he can't get emojis correctly because he's looking at it through the Discord interface not the Twitch interface. So no, Emojis and do not come through.

Pastor Bill:[2:57] So regular smiles like the nerdy smile.

Pastor Newms:[3:01] Well even those sometimes come through because it depends on if Twitch has done something different with them even though they look like a regular smiley face on Twitch side they don't always come across correctly so it was.

Pastor Bill:[3:17] Three celebrating smile faces.

Pastor Newms:[3:19] It was like the birthday ones with the funny hats, so it was good that that you know work was work, I work a lot of hours and then. I think that was it I don't think I did a lot how was your week?

Pastor Bill:[4:05] My week was all right. Focused on doing some writing. Did some flash fiction writing, entered a few writing contest to just sharpen my skills a little bit so that was fun had that going this week and then there was the local Christmas parade was yesterday. And I don't understand how it can be 50 degrees and feel, literally feel like it's freezing outside while you're sitting there watching a parade that makes no sense to me. But it did, and my feet were so cold, and my hands were numb, and I was like it's only 50 degrees.

Pastor Newms:[4:55] I'm sorry, I did get asked. So did I tell the funny story; about the first time we visited this church that we visited a second time on here?

Pastor Bill:[5:16] I don't know did you?

Pastor Newms:[5:17] I don't remember, about the jacket. I don't think I did okay so you know we talk a lot on The Berean Manifesto that that life is about doing not just…like life should be done, life should not be just hanging out you should actually be doing not just saying that's where I'm trying to go. Who am I brain I worked a lot of hours you should be doing not just saying and, and so when you go to a church you go to a thing or you do a thing you always hope people are going to show actions more than they're going to say actions so that's always our hope well so we go to visit this church this has been this was the week before we took the vacation to Dollywood so it was the week before the week before Thanksgiving so I don't know the second week of November so it's been several weeks ago in between our visits. And so we, we go and, you know it's like 38-39 right and so everyone is bundled up because they're cold. I I'm not cold cuz it's only 30s it's not in the 20s it's the 30s it's not that cold we're walking from the car to the place, it's not that cool so, and so I left my jacket in the car because I didn't want to put it on put it off put it on put it up for them but you always take it in the car in case you get a flat tire or something you've changed a tire because if you're out in the rain and.

Pastor Bill:[7:30] Right exactly.

Pastor Newms:[7:32] There's a valid reason to have a jacket with you but I don't wear it when I'm going into the stores and going into play. And so I left my jacket in the car we went in, and we're in the back of course shocking and we're sitting there and this person comes up to me and genuinely looks at me and goes do you need a coat like, general not like the hat you don't even have a jacket on but like,like actually at he's like if you need a jacket we can get you one like if you're if you're cold if you're you know you can have this jacket right here I've got extras at home blah blah blah and I'm like oh no I'm just not cold and he kind of looked at me like uh huh, and then looked over at Tina and I was like okay sorry, sorry my jackets in the car I don't wear it till it's like in the 20s. I have a leather jacket I've got sweat shirts at home I've got suit jackets I had my own jackets I just don't wear them oh okay okay we just wanted I wanted to make sure you had a jacket which is amazing from a standpoint of he's legitimately trying to give me the jacket off his back. First off second off really funny interaction because like you could tell he didn't believe me for schnot like he was like uh-huh I'm sure you don't need a jacket looking at Tina like this man need a jacket you know did you bring this man in with you and he needs it you know and pour Zayidee is like no no.

Pastor Bill:[9:20] Did you find this man out on the street?

Pastor Newms:[9:22] Yeah are you bringing this homeless man in this place and he needs a you know. And so is this one of those funny moments of you know legitimate church trying to be, what church is supposed to be. It's a decent it's a decent place we think we're going to try it again we've been twice now and we're going to continue going so far at least for a little while.

Pastor Bill:[9:51] So far so good.

Pastor Newms:[9:53] So far so good yeah we enjoy it so far how was.

Pastor Bill:[9:56] All right well now it's time for.

Pastor Newms:[9:58] We talked about your week.

Pastor Bill:[10:00] We talked about my week so now it's time for getting to know the pastors.

Pastor Newms:[10:02] You know the worst part about this you would think listening to how I've been both last weekend this week in our in our opening you would think like I'm doing a thousand other things,yes someone else did ask today not as forcefully if I needed a jacket, he wasn't as forceful as the other person because he could he was in the he was like the door opener so you'd see in the car I parked in so he assumed I could have gotten one if I won like he at least was that he's like do you have a jacket like are you good luck but like on the same token like. It's kind of a nice car, that I'm able to lease because my father Biggs is an amazing person and works for Nissan so I'm driving a much nicer car than I would ever be able to normally let's be clear and so I'm like, all right it's it is funny they are they are super they are super nice, is it my card or is it your card, all right I didn't so you're in the part of the screen I can't see cuz you're behind me so I didn't realize you were even holding a card and you were like nope my card and it popped up above my head which is just.

Pastor Bill:[11:28] Would you rather go 30 days without your phone or your entire life without dessert?

Pastor Newms:[11:53] Is it one of those like if I eat a dessert ever I then lose my phone or would I literally not be able to get a dessert ever.

Pastor Bill:[12:04] You have to decide now and then you can literally never get a dessert.

Pastor Newms:[12:08] So if I try to reach for a desert my body would not let me.

Pastor Bill:[12:14] No your hand would just disappear the closer it got to the desert and as you pulled away your hand would reappear. You can't even touch the desert.

Pastor Newms:[12:23] Can't even touch the desert that's what I - that's the one I want because my waistline, my waistline agrees with that one and that's not because I'm addicted to my phone that's legitimately weight loss right there man if I literally couldn't reach the cookie do you know how happy my daughters would be if I could not eat, or steal their cookies and Candy my daughters would lose their minds if if they did not if there was no chance of me stealing their cookies they would love that and, like I mentioned so would my waistline and my arthritis, I don't eat a lot of sweets but I would love if I couldn't, that would just be.

Pastor Bill:[13:15] I am straight-up addicted to my phone, if I find myself in a room and I've left my phone in the other room I have to go back and find it.

Pastor Newms:[13:24] I'm not addicted to my phone. In most situations there are certain situations.

Pastor Bill:[13:41] When you're going number two.

Pastor Newms:[13:43] Yeah I if I forget my phone I will ask someone to bring it to me you know it's one of those where it’s like.

Pastor Bill:[13:57] I think that's just a given for most people.

Pastor Newms:[13:59] But often for those of you who know me. I will straight have no idea where my phone is even located. I'll be like, I don't know, I don't know where it is I don't know I don't know people call me like most of my family members Biggs, Phoenix, you says everyone knows just send him a Discord message he will not see that text message you're about to send him he's not going to see it he's not going to see if he does see it he might he might see it next week and then he's gonna be like I never saw this and then forget to text you back anyway so just don't text him like you're not getting a response and my girls even know that I've got.

Pastor Bill:[14:43] And if you do get a response it'll usually just be “k”.

Pastor Newms:[14:52] That is that's hurtful let me look at this look at this.

Pastor Bill:[15:06] Your sister reinforces what I'm saying in all caps “BILL IS SPOT ON”.

Pastor Newms:[15:13] Okay so no all of mine and Bills messages are actually more my sided than his in all actuality.

Pastor Bill:[15:22] Well because you try to reach out to me on Discord and then you’re like oh yeah he's not always on Discord then you send me a text. And then you’re like hey did you see my Discord or hey I know you're not always on Discord blah.

Pastor Newms:[15:34] I wasn't going to talk about what the message is are but it pretty much is like, hey check the message I sent you how long till you get on are you going to so yeah you're not wrong, yeah and that's true good luck on reading what I send cuz it's going to be misspelled there is no punctuation and its probably not all the words are, even there because I do not do well at. Making sure stuff is done right.

Pastor Bill:[16:30] My wife has got into the habit of using speech to text let me tell you that's fun to try to decipher. Let me see if I can pull one up right quick so just to give an example here.

Pastor Newms:[16:45] I've heard that can be pretty sideways.

Pastor Bill:[17:07] When was the last time she did that come on. Printably prinably more than that. Text so often it's.

Pastor Newms:[17:34] Did you say you text so often you text so little.

Pastor Bill:[17:38] No we take so often that there's a lot of text to go through to find the last time she actually did the voice text thing.

Pastor Newms:[17:46] Ah

Pastor Bill:[17:47] She does it that you really remember is that it comes out bad and then oh my gosh. All right well I guess I'm not going to be able to find one this time. I don’t know, I was really hoping to read one because they're really funny yeah. No just saw a text. One day I went to the store. In the morning and I'm at the store and I get a text from Roxanne did you forget about someone? And I was like no, not that I know of and she goes Finn’s in the restroom and I was like. I'm not even at home sweetheart what do you want me to do about Finnick being in the restroom. Oh okay so I guess I'll get up and help him. It was funny. All right well last week, we looked at the beginning of Genesis and talked about how the first 10 chapters of Genesis aren't really Christian texts are not Jewish texts are not Abrahamic text they are simply just historical records right there their the authors, writing down the way they saw history based off of what they believe to happen what the cultures around them saw an influence them to believe, originally it was just chapters 2 through 10 right but the numbers didn't exist anyway back then. The text of chapter one was added later when they were in Babylon and we went through Genesis chapters - I'm sorry through Genesis chapter 1 and verses, one and two that's pretty much as far as we got. Um and so that episode was in the beginning, now this episode season 4 episode 2 is also in the beginning, and for this episode we're actually going to be in John. We’re going to be looking at John chapter 1 and we're going to be going through John chapter 1 verses 1 through 4 okay. Now in the CSB this reads, “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning, all things were created through him and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created. In him was life and that life was the light of men. Okay, all right. So that word beginning where that phrase in the beginning. This is the Greek ar-khay' and, I'm much better on my Hebrew pronunciations. So if you know these Greek words and I butcher their pronunciations when I'm trying to read the pronunciation little key things that spells it funny to try to get you pronounce it correctly, I apologize our ar-khay'. It’s G746 It is (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concrete) chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank): - beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule. Okay so if John was speaking abstractly right if he was saying, according to the myth according to the stories that have been passed down that we don't we don't really think they're real we just think they're you know good lessons to learn from. Then that would have been the general use of the word and he simply meant beginning in reference to time. But if John's intention was to communicate the beginning as in the concrete idea that there was. At one point nothing that had been created then this the beginning, is like the building and putting in the cornerstone or like creating the foundational thesis of an organization. Basically that statement that is everything the organization stands for, if that's what he was talking about then the usage here is more like the word that we found for beginning in Genesis. This has John saying the first important thing to happen right so he's not just saying, kind of loosely you know oh yeah back back back then when things started happening you know nothing was happening and things started happening, no John's saying. This is this is the most important thing this will starting here because it that's how important is this is the beginning. And in context we can reasonably assume that he's using the word that way and expressing that concrete usage. What did I put in my nose. Yeah we have that reasonable belief that that's where he's coming from, because of the way he continues to talk about it and reference it and go back to it as he continues to write and he's talking about this this Cornerstone idea, this is very very important thing that is crucial to everything that he's about to write that's crucial to, the understanding of everything right okay sorry my mouth is feeling all weird right now. You know when you get dry mouth. And then you put dentures in your mouth while your mouth while you have dry mouth.

Pastor Newms:[25:38] See now you've lost me because I've never had to put dentures in my mouth.

Pastor Bill:[25:43] It's it's quite the experience. So the next word that we need to look at is actually what they translated as word okay, so word is G30 five sticks in the Strong's and it is the word logos. Okay so logos and I'm going to read off the translation are as strong as to find it something said including the thought, by implication a topic subject of discourse, also reasoning the mental faculty or motive, by extension a computation specifically with the article in John the Divine expression that is Christ. And then it goes on to list off all the things that's been translated as account caused communication, concerning something Doctrine feign having to do something intent matter mouth preaching question reason reckon something removed, say saying show Beaker of something. Speech talk thing none of these things move me tidings Treatise utterance word work okay. Now one of the things that we saw last week when we were talking about the creation was. That they're at the very beginning this wasn't a spoken project yet right, God or more properly they used the word for God's or Divine beings. Personally cultivated and formed the universe the long way, so in this instance the choice to translate logos. As word is believed to have been a side effect of Western theology. That place is the focus on individuals instead of the group, right so I got this from from several different commentaries where was talking about this and then I found some websites that were backing it up. That when they were translating this out and they were trying to decide how exactly to translate that logos there this is this is the ideas that they were coming up against is that, the Viewpoint of that Western philosophy, and when we say Western philosophy were talking about anything west of Israel right, so we're talking about Italy and England United States all of that is west of Israel that's Western theology. So this trends like really this translation reinforces this authority of scripture. Over the relationship of the community, what it's talking about and it props up that control of those who can translate those scriptures. So it gives this idea of the individual leader Leading the People, instead of the community as a whole owning the revelation. The word word ends up not even being what most commentaries that will release the most ones that I have I'm currently read from 1 2 3 4 5 6, great commentaries that's my a sword up here on my screen a commentaries most of them agree that word isn't even the right translation there for the context so. Let's talk about that in the context of the day, John was having to create craft his writing for the Greek reader the Jew reader the Christian reader and also the Gnostic Christians, now the Gnostic Christians were a huge threat to, the survivability of the church the Greeks were not so much a threat to survival of survivability of the church because they were kind of keeping their hands off, jail it was you know it was kind of tricky you if you. Talked about worshiping a god other than one of the Greek gods, you could get in trouble depending on what God was walking by but usually, it was it was just kind of a you shouldn't be doing that but doesn't the Jews that was a big issue you didn't want a Jewish person walking by and hearing you talk about worshiping Jesus. And that you know because I was an issue so this is kind of the.

Pastor Newms:[31:10] Way of way of I don't know.

Pastor Bill:[31:14] Life I don't the temperature that atmosphere.

Pastor Newms:[31:16] Yeah trying to trying to tippy-toe around things.

Pastor Bill:[31:23] So this word logos, John was not only identifying Jesus as a manifestation of God right but refuting the Gnostic claim, that Jesus was a separate God created by the Demiurge. Now the Demiurge was an evil God that made all of creation that the Gnostic Christians believed in, they believe the Demiurge created creation and it was for evil design and that Jesus was a separate God created by the Demiurge who then basically rebelled against the evil God, and brought us salvation from the demiurge and it's this whole thing and it was it was bad. So now for the Greeks using the word logos and Theo's. Theos being the word here for God, and the common word in Greek for a god so Zeus they would use the same word Aphrodite Artemis it was all feels right, but using logos and Theo's in in reference to each other stood in direct contrast to how the people of the day would have talked about their god. they would have said moothos and theos, which was customary when telling stories about the gods moothos becoming the word mythos or myth as we know it today. The Greeks were very open about the fact that all the stories they had about their gods were all myths, they had made them up. Two, surround the gods with intrigue to surround the gods with attention they didn't think the gods didn't exist but they understood and recognized the things they were saying about the gods and the stories they were telling about the gods were things that they had made up, so they would say moothos in reference to theos and here John is saying logos in reference to theos instead of saying, well this is a story that I'm making up this is a story that's been made up, he's attaching an air of well this is actually what happened to it for the Greek reader. So most likely what most of the commentaries say is that John intended logos to mean plan, purpose promise or my favorite – motive. So the general idea is that that shouldn't have been the word “word” at all should have been plan, purpose, promise, or motive. Motive to me seems to make the most sense in modern vernacular right? The way we talk now it seems to make the most sense when you're reading all of John chapter 1, as to. What you're looking at and what is going on so when we look at John 1:1 we see of all the things to know about the beginning of all things. There was the Motive and the Motive was with God and the Motive was God. Or more specifically was there should be existed as, that's the next word we're looking at. The word was and it is ane like I said my Greek pronunciations are lacking its G 2258. And the translation there is I (thou, etc.) was (wast or were): and it has been translated as - + agree, be, X have (+ charge of), hold, use, was (-t), were. So today when we use the word was. It's a word that can mean at one time, but then not anymore right it's like I was hungry but that was resolved I'm not hungry anymore. That kind of usage of the word didn't actually exist when John wrote this when you use the word that word their lust was it meant existed as so the motive existed as God so God was the motive manifest. Everything that God was is this motive this this thing that they've been translated as the word, word. Okay, alright verse to you got any questions about verse one yet or any comments you want to make.

Pastor Newms:[36:57] I think I don't think I have anything, the was I get it. I think we've talked about it in the past but yeah it's pretty common stuff we've talked about a couple times but it's always great to review.

Pastor Bill:[37:18] And the main reason that we're going from Genesis 1:1 to now John chapter 1, because not only because they both deal with the beginning but we also want to… we touched lightly on, the people that think that the reason that God is plural in the creation in Genesis is because of the Trinity. And then we don't want to Discount that belief because obviously the New Testament supports that idea, right and so we explored the idea that, that word can mean Divine beings it can mean the Angels were helping it can, it can mean a lot of things, it's important then to go and follow that up with well there was this idea and the early church and John wrote about it, that Jesus was there with, the Supreme Divinity at the beginning. So it's not just this trinitarian idea separate from anything else in the Bible, it's actually supported by the beliefs of the first century church that you know Jesus was a part of that they. A part of that them part of that plural usage of the word in the beginning, and then we see that in verse 2 right, He was with God in the beginning now, this is the first hint that John's given us that he views the motive or the word as a person. Now the word for he that John uses isn't specifically he. Unless you place your own interpretation on it. I believe the word he was chosen as a translation for that because it becomes cleared later in the chapter that John is talking about Jesus who was a male. However, I think John was still trying to tease the reader, at this point he was still crafting you know… and I don't think he would have he meant he at this time I think this word isn't. Isn't necessarily A he. It says including the nominative, masculine plural second form nominative feminine singular third form and the nominative feminine plural fourth form, so it's not specifically he but in the modern the way we talk about gender in the modern day and time it would have been they or them, so they were in the beginning with God. This is why in the King James. I think they chose ‘the same’ as the translation for the word he that the csb calls he. It's because it's not specifically he its they or them or this or that it's it's non gender-specific it can be used for gender, but only if the writer has already made it clear what gender they're talking about. John hadn't yet so they were with God, and then we get that in the beginning part right. As a crucial part of the first of all things they were with God as a crucial part of the first of all things. Verse 3 all things were created through him and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created. That verse just really I don't like the phrasing sometimes, one more trying to read Bible verses because they feel so convoluted like if you would have just just, maybe swap that around and rephrase that just a little bit so I just wanted to try to rephrase that for myself. And what I came up with was the universe and everything in it,was created because of him and if he hadn't existed nothing else would either. And I feel like that's a much better way to say the same thing that they're actually trying to say. And you can go back and reread that virtue for yourself if you want you can try to flip it around with the punctuation is there and try to make sense of that for yourself, but I think the idea there is you know. All things were created through him it's, it's because of him, it's using that motive that motive is why all things were created, and if it hadn't been for that motive if it hadn't had been that driving force then we wouldn't have had creation at all. God would just be still chilling in The Ether just out there just because through his motive wouldn't have existed to fuel creation.

Pastor Newms:[43:13] And, and I see where you're saying with that to me it works I'm like. No, no it's just all things were created through him and apart from him not one thing that was created, that has been created so apart from him nothing was created nothing would have been created that has it that had been created I mean it's, sometimes having a broken brain makes things make sense because I'm looking at it going why wouldn't that make sense.

Pastor Bill:[43:50] Mmm and then when you, when you look at it from a gnostic point of view right because he's got to write for this Gnostic audience as well, they believed that Jesus was created. And so this idea that nothing would have been created without him. Undermines the idea that he was created because you can't be created. Because you exist because you don't exist to then create yourself.

Pastor Newms:[44:25] And I think that's the reason why it's worded the way it's worded that apart from.

Pastor Bill:[44:30] Weird logical flaw and he's pointing out.

Pastor Newms:[44:32] One thing yeah not one thing was created that has been created including him so.

Pastor Bill:[44:41] Including him because he's not a creation.

Pastor Newms:[44:43] As I'm writing this, I'm realizing what you're about to say so I'm going to add this part here at the end that some people will just go duh and other people will go oh okay I'm wrong.

Pastor Bill:[45:03] Okay now we're in verse 4 and this is as far as we're going to go tonight, in him was life and that life was the light of men man, I went back and forth on these words, back and forth and back and forth over and over and over and over and over and I I've had my suspicions as to what I was looking at, and I can't seem to. I can't seem to really pin it down what I actually think John is trying to say here so I went to my commentaries, and I was just like I'm gonna I'm just going to write down what the commentaries are saying. And they pretty much all seem to agree see what was the outlier it was. The Keel and delitzsch had nothing to say about it and I think the FB Meyer thought differently but um. It basically John was saw his talking about sentience and Enlightenment that all of that came from the motive right so that. Basically, that spark that separates humanity from animals that ability that sentient ability to go I recognize that I exist and I have to have a purpose and so I'm going to improve my life and the world around me. That that is only exist because. Of the that life that is the motive that that life created that that spark of sentience in. Then as we see later in John 1:14 you know we find out that the motive is made flesh, and that's why he's in fact Jesus. So all this time he has actually in fact been talking about Jesus because he believed that Jesus had been God before he was born, and that he was there in the beginning he was part of the creation that he existed as God as part of God, and so yeah so. When you, when you try to look at Concepts like the Trinity and you try to poke at you know poke holes and go but it doesn't seem to fit here and it doesn't seem to fit here and it doesn't seem to fit here. You're not wrong and you're not wrong mainly for the reason that of all the things that there is to know in the universe about God. The Bible. Already but I didn't so of all the things there is to know about God in the universe which is the universe length in you know in length what we know about God is only this much of it. This much of a whole universe was worth of knowledge. So yeah, when we when we see Concepts like, in the beginning was the motive and was with God in the motive was God and so John is trying to tell you that, God and you know God the father and God the son the same person and then we find out that Jesus goes to the father and sends the Holy Spirit, who is also in full agreement for agreement meaning you know he's also the same person, and then we try to build theologies that we understand like the Trinity with such limited knowledge. There's gonna be holes there is and that's where faith comes into play, we don't know everything because without faith it is impossible to please God and if we knew everything if we had all the information we wouldn't have to have faith and then we wouldn't be able to please God and then this whole simulation of physical life to create souls worthy of Eternity with God would fail. That's what I have to say about that.

Pastor Newms:[49:45] And that's, that's that whole thing we've talked about it before but the whole thing around if we don't have faith we don't have, our belief system and so not everything can be answered easily. Because faith and.

Pastor Bill:[50:25] If you if you, you know what is the purpose of life well if you look at the writings of Paul and Peter and John even the purpose of life is to learn faith. That's the whole purpose of the time that we're on Earth is to learn it's a finite time to learn a concept. A mind-blowing concept and to always be this show me where I won't believe it. That's kind of the opposite of Faith you know it's like I know you know Thomas wanted to see the holes in Jesus hands in the whole inside and Thomas gets a bad rap for that. But the other disciples had already asked to see the same thing when Jesus first appeared to them, they asked you know to see tip the hold man on the holding the side and understandably three days earlier they saw this guy. Brutalized hanging on a cross. So yeah obviously they want you know they want to get that closure right. But without faith it's impossible to please God and so whole point of life. Is to learn faith and then you know we love others while they're learning Faith because life is hard enough you don't need to make it harder.Cut a guy some slack, show some love. There you go that is “Also in the beginning season 4 episode 2” did you have anything else you wanted to tag onto their Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:[52:30] No it's this is one of those conversations where it's to me it's pretty cut and dry like it's not a lot of extra frivolous. Wells butts if could zits just kind of like yeah it's written that way that's his that's exactly what it says.

Pastor Bill:[53:04] It's written that way that's what is it.

Pastor Newms:[53:05] Let's see what it says.

Pastor Bill:[53:09] All right so the Berean Manifesto comes out every Wednesday night at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you get your podcasts, if you've enjoyed this podcast so you think it might help someone else feel free to forward it share it like it follow us that helps other people find the podcasts and be able to get the message that we're trying to spread, Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian, also we record this live on Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and you can go to our web site www.ekk.house, to find out which which Twitch Facebook and which YouTube, Channel you can go to on Sunday nights to join us live and you can actually participate in the chat you can type your message your question whatever, and it comes through on our Discord server and it comes through so that we can respond to you answer your questions and you can be a part, of the conversation instead of just me and Pastor newms having a two-person conversation we can get some more enrichment in here and we welcome that we welcome people coming in and asking questions and you know saying things like well I've always been taught that it meant this and why did is it why do you say it means that and so we can actually you know because. I can assume that you're on the same page as I am on but that doesn't mean you are and so sometimes we have to flush things out and. Additionally, I'm not always right so sometimes you'll bring something up and I'll go hold on, oh yeah that's right I was saying it wrong you're right and then you know that way I can fix it because I do my best you know to prepare but that doesn't mean I'm not going to miss something. I'm always right but sometimes I'm wrong.

Pastor Newms:[55:15] I'm always right but sometimes I can learn more all right and now's when we do the Final End thing.

Pastor Bill:[55:27] Yes so I love you guys

Pastor Newms:Be safe out there.

Pastor Bill:And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:02] Hello and welcome to season 4 episode 1 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Can you believe, Pastor Newms, that we're starting season four tonight? That's insane, given 100 episodes per season. I can't even wrap my mind around all that content.

Pastor Newms:

[0:35] I can't wrap my head around the fact that we have done it. No I am.

Pastor Bill:

[0:41] It's a little bonkers.

Pastor Newms:

[0:44] Yeah it definitely is the bonkers.

Pastor Bill:

[0:49] So here we are. So how was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:

[1:02] Yeah, it was… it was pretty good. I’m trying to think if I did anything. I don't think I did anything special. I mean other than you know we did do some Thanksgiving stuff, but I don't think I actually did anything special. Why are you leaning in like that.

Pastor Bill:

[1:37] What are you talking about I'm sitting back.

Pastor Newms:

[1:39] I can see you.

Pastor Bill:

[1:41] Yeah I'm sitting back.

Pastor Newms:

[1:44] I don’t think you understand what sitting back means.

Pastor Bill:

[1:49] This is, this is sitting back this is what sitting back looks like.

Pastor Newms:

[1:53] It really isn't.

Pastor Bill:

[2:00] I'm even leaning back in my chair like if I set my chair up straight I'd be like this.

Pastor Newms:

[2:09] Really now for a second you weren't.

Pastor Bill:

[2:18] So how was your week Pastor Bill? Well let me tell you. My public school kids were out for the week because of Thanksgiving break which was nice because we have puppy. And puppy wakes me up every few hours to go potty every night and I was able to get the Gerg… Who by the way, is a half-inch taller than me now. Unacceptable! So Gerg was so gracious as to listen for the dog every night on his Thanksgiving break and take care of walking the dog so that I could sleep on those nights. Which is amazing.

Pastor Newms:

He is, he is.

Pastor Bill:

[3:09] It's just amazing. Like I can't even express how much that meant to me to be able to catch up on that sleep while he's been here. And then we celebrated Thanksgiving as a family. Just our immediate family, just here in the house because Roxanne had covid-19 at the end of last week the beginning of this week and then she had a negative test on Wednesday. But we just wanted to be overly cautious to make sure we weren’t going to spread anything to anybody on Thursday so we stayed home. Then Friday we knew that my mother and her husband, Grams and Gramps, they already had covid a couple weeks ago. So we went ahead and went over there to decorate their house for Christmas, and then my kids stayed there over the weekend so that my wife and I could celebrate our 17th anniversary wedding anniversary. Truly the date is this coming… Thursday is the actual wedding anniversary date but we went ahead and celebrated it this last weekend because. You know when Grandma offers to take the kids for the weekend right before your anniversary you jump on that.

Pastor Newms:

[4:28] Well yeah I mean definitely. HG Supply Company?

Pastor Bill:

[4:40] Yeah it's like, it's like a vegan restaurant but like they did the thing where they change out their menu often to try different things. Anyway it was pretty good and I put it in the reservation that we were celebrating our 17th anniversary together. We told them we were here that the guy working the hostess booth said, “Happy Anniversary” and I was like awesome they got my note that'll be the end of it that's all they're going to do. No, we got to the table and our server was like here's a card for your anniversary we had all the servers sign it, and the managers pouring you a celebratory toast of champagne right now and she's going to bring that over for you. On us. We did that and then at the end they were like and we're also comping your Gelato dessert there as part of your anniversary celebration so happy anniversary guys we were like, so nice.

Pastor Newms:

[5:55] It is nice.

Pastor Bill:

[5:57] Yeah so we had this spicy queso. As our appetizer but it was vegan there was no cheese in it, but it tasted like cheese but it was like chickpeas and I don't know those other stuff that made had he had the consistency of queso it tasted like queso but it wasn't cheese. Yeah what's that.

Pastor Newms:

[6:35] The yeah no I don't like that.

Pastor Bill:

[6:44] Now you don't like that hey if it ain't going to kill me and it tastes right. I mean if they could make tofu. You know by like a burger I don't care if it's actually tofu as long as my tongue thinks it's a burger and it feels like a burger on my teeth.

Pastor Newms:

[7:13] I don't like that.

Pastor Bill:

[7:15] Unless you want to charge me nine dollars for two patties like the Beyond Burger stuff that then doesn't even taste like Burger. Alright who's night is it to pull a card? Time for ‘Getting to know the pastors.’

Pastor Newms:

[7:52] It's my night I'm working on it I'm worried.

Pastor Bill:

[7:57] Biggs on Twitch says, “Where's the beef?”

Pastor Newms:

[8:00] Where is the beef okay okay.

Pastor Bill:

[8:08] I've got no beef with vegans if you want to live your life that way cool.

Pastor Newms:

[8:13] I don't care just don't try to force me. That's my thing it's similar to religion. Don't force anything upon anyone else please all right. If you could take any job for just one month what job would you like to have assumed you would have all the skills and knowledge to perform the job adequately so you have all the ability to perform any job, what would you want?

Pastor Bill:

[8:44] All of the ability. To perform any job?.

Pastor Newms:

[8:51] Biggs wants to be a pilot.

Pastor Bill:

[8:55] What's my motivation?

Pastor Newms:

[8:58] The fact that you could do anything. So the funness of being able to do anything.

Pastor Bill:

[9:13] No thank you.

Pastor Newms:

[9:16] No thank you? You don't want any job in the world.

Pastor Bill:

[9:21] I mean not really. Not just for the sake of having the job.

Pastor Newms:

[9:26] But you get to do whatever you want for a month you don't have anything you would like to do for a month.

Pastor Bill:

[9:38] Not particularly no.

Pastor Newms:

[9:40] Okay okay.

Pastor Bill:

[9:48] I mean first of all it's just a month it's not like a career it's not your whole life and second like what's motivating you I don't. You said fun or or to get the you know you can do it for do it I don't care about that work it's for money and I don't. What about you Pastor Newms? You seem super distracted this evening bro.

Pastor Newms:

[10:26] No I'm just thinking. I got a lot on my mind. I don't know I think if I could have any job in the world for a for a short amount of time it would probably be I'd have all the skills, so I would like to be, you know something maybe a CEO just to get the taste and then know it's going to end in them in a little month so I don't have it forever but yet make the money for the month. That's where my mind is is the the money aspect.

Pastor Bill:

[11:34] Okay well let's break it down alright so my first instinct before you said for a month, was President. And then my mind immediately went to the moment you're done with that job at the end of four years or eight years or thirty days. Any good that you did it's just going to be undone by the next guy. So what would be the point.

Pastor Newms:

[12:08] Yeah I mean that's one of those things that is something you have to consider. That it would just poof away. And I get that my mind was straight to money how much money can I make in a month I mean it's a month.

Pastor Bill:

[12:45] Yeah but then my mind goes that's only a month's worth of pay that's not going to actually do much for my life after that for very long.

Pastor Newms:

[12:55] Depending on the job.

Pastor Bill:

[12:56] And go away and I'm just going to get back to where I was before.

Pastor Newms:

[12:59] It would but you know.

Pastor Bill:

[13:02] Did you say get another job did you seriously just say to the person who's been searching for a job for seven years you.

Pastor Newms:

[13:17] I said nothing.

Pastor Bill:

[13:19] I could have swore you said just get another job.

Pastor Newms:

[13:22] No no.

Pastor Bill:

[13:23] For after the end of the month as a CEO and I was like it ain't that easy bro.

Pastor Newms:

[13:28] I said depends on the money I mean if you're talking about a CEO of a five million dollar a year salary a month, would change either of our Lives exponentially.

Pastor Bill:

[13:43] Biggs is over here on Twitch telling on me, “Bill would not take the oath.” You're not wrong, I don't believe in swearing an oath so you're not wrong. I don't qualify to serve as President. I don't qualify to serve in politics because I don't believe it's… I believe it's a violation of my religious beliefs to swear an oath.

Pastor Newms:

[14:17] But he did he did tell on you straight up yeah he's straight.

Pastor Bill:

[14:20] Straight up like pulling it out like no yeah he says he I do listen. You do you do listen you listen to you listen yeah. All right so season 4 episode 1.

Pastor Newms:

[14:38] Yep.

Pastor Bill:

[14:41] In the beginning, and that's exactly what we're going to do we're going to go and talk about Genesis for a little bit. And then we're going to start looking at Genesis 1:1 and we're going to break it down word by word. Not because I think it was translated wrong and not because I think that it is some revelation you know revolutionary thing that you can see there but simply for the fact that it is written in a poetic style. And so each of these words has so much depth to them that when you just read Genesis 1:1 CSB, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.” That is so dry and shallow compared to the words that are actually there, in this poetic telling right first off let's talk a little bit about Genesis because Genesis gets a lot of flack from I don't even know what to call them anti apologetics people. People who want to claim that you know the Bible is not real because…

Pastor Newms:

[16:10] Right right.

Pastor Bill:

[16:12] And the issue is. They're not wrong when it comes to Genesis the first 10 chapters of Genesis aren't Christian text. Christianity didn't even exist for another 4,000 years after right after the events that took place in Genesis 1 through Genesis 10.

Pastor Newms:

[16:42] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[16:44] They aren't even Jewish texts there were no Jews in existence, until the descendants of Judah adopted the name after Judahs father Jacob and I'm reading from my notes Here, Jacob who became Israel. After he died he blessed Judah as the greatest of his sons who would rule over the rest, and even then it didn't stick as a name is a as a people group as a joining together until the time of King David, almost 1000 years after that. This isn't an Abrahamic text, right the first chapters of Genesis aren’t an Abrahamic text, Abraham wasn't even born until approximately 400 years after the flood, which is what these first ten, chapters deal with is from creation to flood, and the flood was about 2,000 years after the seventh day of creation right so we've got these, 10 chapters that don't belong to the Christians they don't belong to the Jews they don't belong to any of the Abrahamic religions they are literally just a culture, in this case the people who identified as Jews, looking back and piecing together what other cultures told them about the past about how they got to the point they were at now. As the story goes, we owe the writing down the actual writing of Genesis except for chapter 1 to Moses. Moses gets the credit for writing Genesis chapters 2 through Genesis chapter 10 and beyond. Chapter one of Genesis was added about 800 years before the time of Christ while the descendants of Jacob or Israel if you want to call them that were in captivity in Babylon. So from the time of Moses to the time of the people of Israel being taken captivity into Babylon 800 years before Jesus there was no this first chapter of Genesis. It's their holy writings started with what we would call Genesis chapter 2 right okay.

Pastor Newms:

[19:32] Which is often why there is a disconnect between 1 and 2.

Pastor Bill:

[19:37] There yeah 1 was added later when the Babylons were like well when they learned from the Babylonians this idea of more depth and a different viewpoint on the creation story, now we acknowledge all of that information. And all that information is information that will get brought up by anti apologetics people that want to say you know will this this is why the Bible isn't credible. But to me it lends itself to the credibility of the text because it isn't about the Christian God or the Jewish god or the god of the Abrahamic faiths. The first 10 chapters of Genesis is about the Supreme almighty God. The God that everything within creation including any other gods are subordinate to right we're talking about a monotheistic worldview where there literally is one supreme God. And any other beings are subordinate to that. And when people write about God they're not necessarily writing about a different God. They could very well be writing about a vision or an Insight they've had about the supreme God. Right? We still on the same page there? I think we are but you're not responding.

Pastor Newms:

[21:17] No I was I was I was breathing sorry I guess before I forget breathing doesn't.

Pastor Bill:

[21:22] No breathing for you.

Pastor Newms:

[21:23] Yeah breathing doesn't necessarily come across sound-wise I was processing to see if there was anything in that that I don't necessarily agree with and it there really isn't.

Pastor Bill:

[21:41] Biggs is lost. That's fine Brother don't worry. We believe there is one God and that is the one true God and if that is the truth, then we believe that every other religion when they point to God they're not necessarily not pointing at the same God we're talking about. They could be talking about an aspect of God that we haven't seen yet. And I don't have a scripture for this yet we're just we're just talking about so far we've just been talking about straight historical facts about the Bible and the way we as The Berean Manifesto as The Ekklesian House. We have this worldview of you know this idea of belief in God, and our monotheistic beliefs even monotheistic isn't really a good word it's more like. What's the word for many gods is not mono it's Holly polytheist polytheistic agnostic. There are many beings of godly power but only one Supreme Divine being. That is The God of the first 10 chapters of Genesis.

Pastor Newms:

[23:10] Right and that's one thing I always find funny amongst these conversations is so many, Christians including myself for so many years were like oh well I'm you know monotheistic well belief in multiple gods and. Worship of multiple gods thank you says are completely different aspects the worship of one God, is you know I worship one God but the knowledge that there are other deities there are other, entities is not necessarily the same thing because you have the whole you know, no other gods before me Noah you know there's times where even in scripture they acknowledge other gods. You know and so there's that aspect of we worship one but we do not, personally I am. Polly feet I mean polytheistic in the belief that there are other gods we just worship one of them the Supreme you know the person that we actually believe deserves worship.

Pastor Bill:

[24:37] And when we're asked well how do you know your God is the right God well I don't I don't think that the Bible contains everything there is to know about God, The God. And I believe that other religions have, aspects to them where they glimpsed God. Right but I do know that Jesus made the claim. That he came to make a way and lead us to God. And that he then became Divine and is God. Right and I'll type that out in case anyone gets confused it's the very first one the very first. Very first scripture in your Bible or at least it should be, if there's a whole thing there about Joseph Smith and how he got the scriptures from the Lord then you're not probably not in the right book you just switch over to the Bible not the. Not the Book of Mormon because you're in the wrong book and then Genesis 1:1 should be the first the first thing you come to okay, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.” Some manuscripts do read “In the beginning God created the universe.” And so that that's a little a little bit different but not really it's not really even the same it's not really even different words so much as it is a different spin on the same words, but we're going to break down this heavens and they are going to be in God created heavens and the Earth because it's the manuscripts that are the most common are the most copies of it read it that way. ‘In the beginning’ is Strong's h7225, it is ray-sheeth' okay and I'm going to read you just exactly what strong says and then you know tell you what we're looking at there, it says, “From the same as H7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically a firstfruit): - beginning, chief (-est), first (-fruits, part, time), principal thing.” And it says from the same as that word that it's segmented from the same as is roshe which is to shake the head, whether literally or figuratively, in many applications of place time rank band beginning captain chapter chief chief his place man things it's a hold of the word that you know could they could have chosen to use, they chose this ray-sheeth' okay this doesn't just necessarily mean it was the first thing that happened. Right? What it's saying is the first important thing to happen, or the first thing worth mentioning in the context of this story. Is that this next thing, right so just saying in the beginning in English that means it was the first thing that. It's a line you know it's a line of actions and this was the first one of them but in that language that's not what it means. It means in all of the universe, this is the first important thing that, as it pertains to our story, there could have been other things that happen before that but they don't pertain to this story. That's what this word is saying.

Pastor Newms:

[29:02] Right.

Pastor Bill:

[29:05] And then we get the word God. Now this word God is el-o-heem'. And when you use this in an ordinary conversation this means God's right, but specifically when it's used with a plural especially with the article, it can mean the supreme God but they did not do that here they did not add.

Pastor Newms:

[29:37] The.

Pastor Bill:

[29:40] The article The. They did not say The God which would then make it God. So this literally would be meaning gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty. So this word can mean several things and a lot of people believe this is a veiled reference to the doctrinal belief in the trinity. There's talking about the Father the Son the Holy Spirit and that's fine that's not necessarily wrong especially in light of the New Testament teachings. The word itself speaks to a group of beings participating. Definitely Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but also this lends itself to the idea that the Angels played a part that's possibly, and what was going on or that other Divine beings like we talked about there are other you know we believe that there are other gods that are you know other beings of divine power. It lends itself to them being a part of the story. They were part of this creation is that.

Pastor Newms:

[31:19] Yep.

Pastor Bill:

[31:20] All right so this next word. It's the word created, but it does have like when we had said before it would have said the God, this has one of those types of things attached to it, and what it has attached to it is a ayth right so it's baw-raw' ayth, so create. so let's look at ayth. Ayth means Apparently contracted from H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly self (but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition, even or namely): - (As such unrepresented in English.). So when you use this when you say beings created ayth, and you attach ayth, what you're saying is those beings personally did. It was an actual act they were involved right it wasn't just an overseeing or, a general event that happened then they just kind of oversaw it literally paints this picture of God God's angels they were physically doing this thing, this thing is baw-raw' created. It's H 1254 if you want to look it up in your surroundings you're strong it means, A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat). Now all of that sounds very sterile. And what is what does that even mean so when we're looking at that phrase and we're talking about this hands-on work right? This isn't just a single being speaking things into existence at this point the heavens and the Earth. This is painting a word picture of a slow building from the base up, like homesteading like going to a land and you clear the trees so you can build a house you plow a field to plant crops to feed livestock so you can harvest the meat, this usage of the word ayth is implying that not only was it done personally but it was done the long way. It was done very intentionally, it was done taking baser elements and putting them together to create other things and then taking the time to let that become other things and really cultivating the universe. To create this thing right and I know I hear you I hear I hear what a lot of people are saying right now. That sounds like it supports an old universe, and it does right it totally supports an old universe but at the same time it doesn't discount the seven days of creation. So let's talk about that. How can it be an old universe and also be seven days of creation? The light and Day evening and morning this whole cycle that makes up an actual calendar day of which there are seven and creation none of that actually starts until after this process. So the first day of creation includes everything that happened before God set that markable time of moving for Earth. So, all of the stuff happened on the first quote unquote because there was no day on Earth yet. There was no marking of time yet. It was dark there was all just darkness there was no you know like too dark light to dark that makes up a day yet. So yeah, the scripture can at the same time support an old universe and seven days of creation involving Earth all at the same time. Right? So we're taking all this time to slowly build up and create the universe and all of its base are elements and get everything ready. So that we can do something right so when we go back and we look at verse 1 now we get to the heaven. The heaven is Strong's H8064 The second form being dual of an unused singular; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): - air, X astrologer, heaven (-s). The writer is looking up and going all that. All that, it's not a specific it's an all that all that he created all that. And then and the Earth right now. The Earth eh'-rets H776 in Strong's From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world. it can be used for all of these things so basically the author is he saying all that and all this. Right so this is simplicity to the poem there where it said all that and all this meaning universe everything all right okay this and that.

Pastor Newms:

[38:00] Yeah this and that all of it.

Pastor Bill:

[38:06] What do we got on time? Okay so we're going to go for just a little bit here into verse 2, but we're not going to get too far. Okay just as 1, 2 says “Now the Earth was formless and empty Darkness covered the surface of the watery depths and the spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.” Earth. Is the same word eh'-rets so it's not you know not me question there the next word was. Is haw-yaw' it's a strong H1961 it means A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use. it's a lot of work.

Pastor Newms:

[39:25] A lot of words.

Pastor Bill:

[39:26] So it's a lot of work and basically it's saying you know it existed in this form in existed well how did it exist it existed, Strong's H8414 to'-hoo, From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness. and then they double down and use the word void bo'-hoo I you say that that's H922, From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void. and darkness right H2822 is Darkness it is kho-shek', From H2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness: - dark (-ness), night, obscurity. and all of this. Was upon and that's not a trick word that's all it's H5921 it's literally upon that's the surface of.

Pastor Newms:

[41:00] All.

Pastor Bill:

[41:03] The face which, paw-neem' so so basically when you when you meet someone and you see their face you know so first thing you usually see if someone their face unless you're more modern you look at shoes first. The face so when you look at the Earth this is all you see. The face of the deep an abyss (as a surging mass of water), especially the deep (the main sea or the subterranean water supply): - deep (place), depth. So the Earth was this giant formless void of liquid and more specifically, if you want to use modern vernacular the Earth was a giant Cesspool of primordial ooze, primordial juices all the building blocks for life were there. But darkness and vanity and evil all things that. Are anti light where there as well and so literally life couldn't exist yet. All the building blocks were there, but nothing could live there. There was no life there, there was no light there, there was no you know spark there, it was just this horrible horrible place. And God or the spirit of God, and there's there's this is all I'm not breaking down these words too deep because not really that deep there pretty well explained in that translation when you say spirit of God that's literally what it means its breath or Spirit or could be used as anger, of God and we're still using the same word Elohim right so the spirit of the God's spirit of God the spirit of these Divine beings, moved right so this is this is an interesting word raw-khaf', to brood; by implication to be relaxed: - flutter, move, shake. upon the face of the waters in some instances this word move, can be a very violent word that can mean war, it can mean made War it can mean fighting it can, it can be used in these very aggressive sense of so basically the spirit of these Divine beings they moved upon this. Void of primordial liquid and tried. Try to give anti, there's that word again anti Koscheck anti-death anti Darkness it tried to move in life on this lifeless void. And that's when they get to Genesis 1:3 when God starts commanding things to happen and that's where we'll probably pick up there next week.

Pastor Newms:

[44:30] Yeah and that's you know so much there's one of the problems with our belief systems, that a lot of modern churches have is not truly looking at what those words mean some people are like oh well it's just you know in the beginning, earth water and you're like yes but all those words have strong meaning that.

Pastor Bill:

[45:08] Yeah they're very strong.

Pastor Newms:

[45:09] Some people do understand some people some people are like I already knew this this is not a big deal like who doesn't know this the sad thing is the answer to the who doesn't know this is a lot of people and.

Pastor Bill:

[45:21] A lot a lot of people don't know this.

Pastor Newms:

[45:24] And that's a problem sorry I've been so perfect I don't know what is going on I've tried to meet myself every time but I failed a couple times so I'm sorry. The the aspect of it is there is this is super important because if we don't understand, some of these fundamental things when you start looking at oh well this person is different than me and it doesn't matter and I don't care is important because. You know words matter you know when you have someone who says well I believe this about the universe and you're wrong because you believe that there's a certain part of it that's like. Are we different, in or is it that my understanding of Christianity is just what I was taught on a felt board during, bible class you know in Sunday school that's all I know of what the scripture actually says I don't know you know. There are people, lots of people who that is their only knowledge and you're like okay we need to expand it some. That's, you know, what we're trying to do with this it's not just a, hey you know we're going to have these conversations because Genesis is easy to talk about because you know it's fundamentally so important to look at what you believe and why. As well as how we got to where we are because it opens up the conversations.

Pastor Bill:

[47:14] It's not an easy thing to say that Genesis 1:1 supports an old universe that's not an easy thing to say. The ramifications, cultural ramifications of that statement. In the wrong circles that's a bit dim says fighting words.

Pastor Newms:

[47:34] It's heretical some people view that as a heretical stance. I personally do not view it as a radical stance obviously but there definitely are people who do and that's. Their belief and that's what I'm going to say about that.

Pastor Bill:

[48:07] All right you have anything else you wanted to add to tonight's topic.

Pastor Newms:

[48:11] I don't think so. That's it I just I just.

Pastor Bill:

[48:13] Okay all right well The Berean Manifesto.

Pastor Newms:

[48:17] Yeah that was the only thing I wanted to was the the aspect of why why are we actually having the conversations as opposed to just do it.

Pastor Bill:

[48:30] Right we can't, I mean first of all we can't take it at that granted that everyone does know things like this. You know, I can't take it for granted that everyone's actually sat down and looked at the words that were actually used in the original, and applied that to the context the historical context of when and where and why those were written. To see what was actually intended. I mean we've just in doing this we've met people that are like what so I have to go look up what every word means in the Bible before I can understand it. Then we're like yeah, that's kind of how language works if you don't know the words that are being used how are you supposed to understand it and they were like that's just too much work I just I just want to read my Bible I just want to read it well. I don't know what to tell you that's not how reading something transliterated from another language works not if you truly want to understand it.

Pastor Newms:

[49:34] Yeah not if you not if you want true understanding if you just want to you know quote-unquote be there sure but that's not healthy nor, discipleship that's just.

Pastor Bill:

[50:09] If you listen to the podcast. And we go live every Sunday evening at around 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time once again I shook my.

Pastor Newms:

[50:18] Again yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[50:19] Because sometimes we don't you know we don't do a lot of recording and sometimes you don't really see you upset, but here we are and so if you would like to join us on Sunday nights we'd love to have you in the chat asking questions bringing up contradictions bringing up well I don't believe that I believe this, would love to you know have you be a part of the conversation so we can expand, and then make it an actual conversation not just me you know reading you what I have prepared for my notes, Pastor Newms patting me on the back for what I'm saying that's not what this is intended to be so if you could join us live that be great.

Pastor Newms:

[50:58] I didn't.

Pastor Bill:

[50:59] Enrich the conversation, and this podcast is available anywhere that you could podcast if you think this would be helpful to someone that you know please forward it to them like and share it and all that good stuff, and if you'd like you we've got lots of catalog back in the podcast you can go back and look up some of our back episodes we usually make titles that, give us a climb of a hint about what's going to be going on in the podcast originally we just named them after the main verse that we were going to be talking about.

Pastor Newms:

[51:31] That is how you did it initially.

Pastor Bill:

[51:34] I was the original naming and then we kind of veered away from doing it that way but, yeah so come and listen to our podcast and come and join us live we love you guys. Hope you have a great week.

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

And until next time.

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S3Ep100 - Looking Back As We Move Pastor Bill And Pastor Newms Transcript Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 100 of the breed Manifesto faith hope and love but the modern Christian, my best to build I'm joined as always by Pastor newms other Corner pastor newms, see what I'm looking at the screen no you're over here at then wait no you're over here. Where did bills hair go what do you mean where did my hair go my hairs right here here here. Pastor Newms: [0:36] So when you're sitting the way you're sitting we can't see the top of your head. Pastor Bill: [0:42] Yeah I don't know why if I guess if I move way back. Pastor Newms: [0:46] Now you have to move the microphone properly you can't move your camera up because of your thing he's right. Pastor Bill: [0:54] Yeah there's stuff you see the clips holding this this drop cloth off and stuff like that. Pastor Newms: [1:12] Yeah see end of season three I think that means we each have to do four cards right is that what that means. Pastor Bill: [1:18] Oh my gosh no please no. So we started this podcast in 2017. [1:36] Yeah I would I would release an episode and then we would talk about it in our life meeting you know we would talk about you know the. Pastor Newms: [1:42] Yep. Pastor Bill: [1:44] Back then I was actually doing an episode of day for a while and that's be too much it was too much too much to do too much to talk about, and so we went to one episode a week and here we are now, we did 100 episodes in season 1 100 episodes in season 2 and now one of the episodes on season 3, and then we had that one Easter sets. [2:16] With that one Easter set where I did a whole week of episodes where I typed them episode I don't know season 1 episode 65 point 1.2.3.4 for the whole week so, so you know yeah so we're we're past 300 episodes for sure but here we are so, yeah so tonight we're gonna we're gonna sound too far away uman Mike a little bit more how's that is that better. Pastor Newms: [2:46] Um yeah I'll turn you up a little more. Pastor Bill: [2:49] Sound like I'm up so far away now. Pastor Newms: [2:51] I turned you up a little too I tried to fix it beforehand but I guess I did not fix it. Pastor Bill: [2:58] Okay my bad sorry is 80 we didn't mean to not have good microphone settings before we started. Pastor Newms: [3:05] Plus your sinus infection makes it sound like you're far away even though I can hear you clearly you're so lucky. Pastor Bill: [3:09] Yeah massage it's wreaking havoc with my brain with my face. Pastor Newms: [3:15] Back here all the way through all of your nasal cavities don't do that. Pastor Bill: [3:21] Robin I've been doing a lot of sleeping trying to catch up to make the sinus infection better yeah that's what I'm sick with the flu and that just that knocks me out 100 percent perlite, so we can have two weeks and then this time it's I know it's a science infection I can actually feel it, you know and then when my immune system tries to fight something that affects my whole body my whole body starts to act like I've got a fever even when I don't, I have a fever so I get all the eggs in the pains and the that weird stuff so, and then I'm so susceptible to medicines like, so I started taking acetaminophen and ibuprofen because that's a really good mixture you know but then I'm so susceptible to medications that, yeah. Pastor Newms: [4:14] You at night for a while. Pastor Bill: [4:17] Well well I sleep in the nude right and. Pastor Newms: [4:19] It's too much information but thank you. Pastor Bill: [4:22] Well hold on hold on this morning I remember here in the puppy whining I remember looking out the window and seeing there were sunlight and I remember looking at my phone, 7:33 and then the next thing I knew I was sitting on the couch fully dressed and it was several hours later I had an unopened monster sitting next to me and I was holding the puppy and I was like, I think I took too much cinnamon often and ibuprofen because I have no idea how I got out here and and I don't remember putting on clothes. Pastor Newms: [4:53] Well at least. Pastor Bill: [4:54] I left her at least I put on clothes before I win. Pastor Newms: [4:56] Exactly exactly at least you did the right steps and you didn't just you know you do live in the country but. Pastor Bill: [5:05] That you have blood you have children. Pastor Newms: [5:07] Right so you don't want to be standing out on your porch with your grandma across the street waving just everything waving you know just. Pastor Bill: [5:18] So maybe I need a dial back up just just a bit on the administer this sort of benefit and ibuprofen mixture because because I'm pretty sure acceptable to, the case that didn't number. Pastor Newms: [5:41] There it is that box yep the Box you have no recollection of actually purchasing. Pastor Bill: [5:47] Box I have no red but you were there you remember it so I highly at least then at least there I have you know. Pastor Newms: [5:49] I do remember it I fully remember. Pastor Bill: [5:55] For evidence of what happens because you were there. Pastor Newms: [5:57] Let me show you this cool little shop that I go to that you've never been to and then next thing I know we're it's the next day and you're going we're just Box come from. Pastor Bill: [6:09] This is where I keep all the love notes my wife wrote me while we were dating. In that box right there. Pastor Newms: [6:21] Nope don't put it there then we can't see Jessie. Pastor Bill: [6:23] Your face is covering that whole part of my desk so they can't see Jesse anyway. Pastor Newms: [6:29] Oh yeah we'll still move it slightly over because I can't see Jesse thank you. Pastor Bill: [6:36] Move you can see Jesse. Pastor Newms: [6:39] Selfish but hey deal with it y'all. Pastor Bill: [6:44] I keep three pictures of people in my bedroom I keep Jesse my father-in-law I keep a picture of my grandmother right up there and I keep a picture of my mom over there and that's it that's all I got as far as pictures, anyway yeah so, how was your week pastor newms. Pastor Newms: [7:15] I worked for days and then part of the fifth day but we were technically close as a company. Pastor Bill: [7:26] Closed for Veterans Day. Well I can't play games right now, so there's that. Pastor Newms: [7:55] Do we have an ETA on your computer. Pastor Bill: [7:59] No they sent me a list of parts they wanted me to buy and then they're going to do the labor putting it all together but I have to go get the part. Pastor Newms: [8:11] Amazon is your friend. Pastor Bill: [8:14] Yeah they sent me a on links. Pastor Newms: [8:16] Or I could send you a different link to another company that can actually compare it's called PC part picker it's what we typically use. Pastor Bill: [8:24] Is he part picker. Pastor Newms: [8:37] Aspects and then I buy the parts and. Pastor Bill: [8:44] Imagine if your name was Peter Piper and you worked for a PC company called part picker. [9:00] So my week was you know this this nonsense. Pastor Newms: [9:04] Aha. Pastor Bill: [9:05] This infection nonsense the puppies doing great driving me nuts at night one to go out that's expected when you're housebreaking a puppy. Pastor Newms: [9:22] Better him waking you up than him not waking you up her her. Pastor Bill: [9:27] We've got it yeah her we've got her in this kennel and she doesn't absolutely hate it so that's good, during the day the other day it was the middle of the day and she wanted to go out and instead of going to the door and she hasn't quite figured that out yet she went to her kennel, and got into her kennel and started yapping and when I went over there she started doing Tippy Toe tippy toes, and I put the collar higher you know the thing on her we went outside and she went to use the restroom she she went to the kennel to let me know she needed to go outside so that was kind of funny. Pastor Newms: [10:04] That's fine so Kaiju you know all of her 60 found Pound gloriousness, everyone can be downstairs on the couch watching a TV both her mama's so my sister and my wife downstairs on the couch watching something she will come, upstairs and bark at me and it's like what do you need, and she has me go to the stairs and yelled down someone please let Kai out and she'll go out as opposed to just telling them so puppies are weird, I thought that would change when I moved my office upstairs because she used to do what my office was downstairs thought it would change it hasn't she still comes and tells. Pastor Bill: [10:55] It's like man I'm just gonna go find you. Pastor Newms: [10:57] Yeah, which is really funny she does the same thing when both me and her mom might my sister who we both had their lives upstairs and she will. Come into my office from the bedroom to tell me she needs to go out and it's like. Pastor Bill: [11:23] You're like you were just in the bedroom with a human being. Pastor Newms: [11:26] Yeah yeah why does daddy have to be the one yeah. Here we go my favorite segments. Pastor Bill: [11:42] You ready your favorite segments in the whole wide world. Pastor Newms: [11:44] With my most hated cards. Pastor Bill: [11:47] What's the cheesiest movie moment or line you can think of. [12:17] Question was what's the cheesiest movie moment or line you can think of. [12:42] So what pops into my head immediately you know without doing much searching or trying to think about it would be the anal but monkey from Bruce Almighty. Pastor Newms: [12:52] I do. Pastor Bill: [12:54] That's some super cheesy stuff right there. Pastor Newms: [12:56] I don't remember that. Pastor Bill: [12:58] You don't remember that. It's the gangsters and they're like we're going to mess you up bottle and he's like. Pastor Newms: [13:12] I don't know zadie says if you're a bird I'm a bird which I have no idea what that's from. Pastor Bill: [13:20] Me either. Pastor Newms: [13:21] Phoenix says you had me at hello that one is pretty cheesy oh it's from The Notebook that's a movie. [13:39] We don't need no badges from bigs that that works. Pastor Bill: [13:44] We don't need no stinking badges. Pastor Newms: [13:46] I can think of one and I'm just going to say part of it and it's just dingdong and that that's all I'm going to say like a doorbell ding dong. [14:07] That's that's that's a that's a something I don't know if that's cheesy yeah I can't think of anything real cheesy I'm not doing well thinking of cheesy. Pastor Bill: [14:20] Should we pull another car or. Pastor Newms: [14:22] I think we should. Pastor Bill: [14:27] Would you rather have unlimited sushi for life or unlimited tacos for life. Pastor Newms: [14:33] Tacos that's a stupid question. Pastor Bill: [14:36] Really tacos. Pastor Newms: [14:36] I don't like sushi it's uncooked most of. Pastor Bill: [14:40] I love sushi. Pastor Newms: [14:45] Now the thing about it it's a valid question because we're Sushi there's a lot of different kinds, so many and same with tacos there's a lot of different kinds of tacos and so with the sushi or the tacos you could have arguably not the same meal, every day even though it's all you can eat. Pastor Bill: [15:12] And technically you could have sushi Taco because Sushi is just a word that means with rice. Pastor Newms: [15:22] Yes senior poopy bottom there is cooked sushi, I haven't had any I am not a sushi person my daughter is a sushi person Biggs eats sushi. With there's a there's a place we go here where, Biggs share sushi with my daughter when we go there there's a Hibachi place that also does sushi pretty good so, but yeah that's um I'd say tacos though so would you actually say Sushi over tacos. Pastor Bill: [16:05] Yeah I would actually choose Sushi I guess I've had enough tacos in my life though and I would I would choose, unless unless it's just that Sushi they sell at Walmart from that really awful brand that warmer went with where The Rice literally tastes like cardboard. And then I guess I would choose tacos. Pastor newms walked away. Pastor Newms: [16:31] I'm sorry I had to I had to walk away for anyone to say a Blasphemous statement like, I've had too many tacos in my life I just I, I can't even fathom I've had too many tacos in my life I just I, I think I'm legitimately offended we've had full on arguments, on here about deep religious comments and the thing I think that has offended me the most is. Pastor Bill: [17:32] Is my statement about Taco intake. Pastor Newms: [17:35] I've had too many tacos, who we might have just lost the all of our viewers over that one I think everyone else has left us now because you've had too many tacos, no I'm just that's just it hurt but I get it. Pastor Bill: [17:57] Or maybe me. Pastor Newms: [17:59] I get it, I understand because I mean you've had a lot of tacos I get that it. Pastor Bill: [18:11] I mean I grew up in in Texas and there's a you know when you when you live in a small town where one of the only fast food options is a Taco Bell. Pastor Newms: [18:22] Those aren't tacos. Pastor Bill: [18:23] You eat there a lot just like us. Pastor Newms: [18:25] Those aren't tacos no those aren't tacos. Pastor Bill: [18:29] Okay let me let me let me reiterate the question. If you could only have Jack in the Box deep-fried tacos or sushi for the rest of your life. Pastor Newms: [18:42] Sushi cuz I won't eat Jack-in-the-Box deep-fried tacos. Pastor Bill: [18:45] Right that's nasty that ain't taco. Pastor Newms: [18:47] Well there are people who love those but know at that point I would have to force myself to eat sushi I don't like which here's the funny thing about sushi. Pastor Bill: [18:59] I don't know I don't understand how anybody it's Jack in the Box it's just dog food. Pastor Newms: [19:03] You got to be really high anyway the I mean they leaned into it when you have a meal called the Munchie Meal you just you know who your target audience is it's just one of. Pastor Bill: [19:16] Your target audiences. Pastor Newms: [19:17] So the thing about sushi that I don't like here's the really funny part everything is in sushi I like right. [19:29] But with sushi it's all touching and I don't like that necessarily. Pastor Bill: [19:36] It's all touching and Tacos as well. Pastor Newms: [19:38] That's the funny thing that I was going to step that's the that's the Paradox that I was just going to say is the reason I don't like sushi sits everything rolled up in it but I love burritos I love tacos, we're just contemplating whether or not we're going to make tamales for Christmas or not, you know and we were at the store today and zaidi was like should we make tamales this year and I'm like I think we should so we're probably going to make tamales this year for Christmas but. Pastor Bill: [20:09] But can we can we both agree that Chicago deep dish pizza is actually just marinara soup. Pastor Newms: [20:19] No Pastor Bill: [20:36] There's this video go to rat on Tick-Tock of a Chicago-style deep-dish being made and they cut it and they go to pick up the piece of pizza and all the marinara sauce just falls off into the pizza and they just have, thin piece of crust and some cheese and they're like oh that looks delicious that's amazing I love that and I was like, you need a spoon to eat that that is not pizza. Pastor Newms: [21:00] And that is not deep dish that is not deep dish, yeah that's not deep dish pizza either that no that's that's something else that's that's, yeah I think I think I think Biggs is going to start I think I actually heard him scream from across town and I think I heard my mother gasp from in the same household, as Biggs types that is not Chicago Pizza being. Pastor Bill: [21:33] Brother I'm a tick tock talking about this is the best Chicago deep dish pizza you can buy this is amazing I've been there and having it amazing. Pastor Newms: [21:41] Blasphemy, the internet disagreed with you so much you froze there for a second even the internet was like now we got to make him be quiet he's got a quit big says that's fake news. Pastor Bill: [21:56] Those fake that's fake news close. Pastor Newms: [22:01] There is a place that Biggs enjoyed in downtown Fort Worth. Pastor Bill: [22:12] Risen who knows yeah. [22:29] To wrap up season three we're looking back at season 3. Pastor Newms: [22:36] Oh not all the way back okay. Pastor Bill: [22:37] Not quite two years worth of content but. Pastor Newms: [22:40] No no it's over two years worth of content episode 14 season, three was in October of 2020. Pastor Bill: [23:07] Well newms picked his best his favorite episodes for the season and I was supposed to do the same thing but then this whole thing and I just slept so, so I went through his list and I picked out my for favorites from his list. Pastor Newms: [23:27] I was I only supposed to pick for. Pastor Bill: [23:29] No I didn't give you a number. I just that's what I picked out my favorite for. Pastor Newms: [23:35] All right do you want to talk about your favorite for first. Okay so let's go in order backwards what do you think where do you want to go in order for words. Pastor Bill: [23:47] I don't know what you mean by backwards or forwards because it depends on where you're starting from. Pastor Newms: [23:49] You want me to start with 91 or do you want me to start with one. Pastor Bill: [23:54] We should start with one. Pastor Newms: [23:55] Okay so episode one of season three I listed as my favorite because it's where we talked about Halloween now we've talked about Halloween several, we're short for Halloween twice in this series in this, but this one was one that you shared some of your Halloween Thoughts From the Past, and like like the reason why we exchange Halloween cards which is a really funny situation because when I say exchange Halloween cards what I mean is billiam sends me a Halloween card every year, except for this year which he did not mail me a Halloween card but I was in Texas and so I gave him a Halloween card not knowing. Pastor Bill: [24:41] Somewhere still the exchange of Halloween. Pastor Newms: [24:43] That he didn't get me one which is just humorous but one of the big, takeaways from that episode overall was to not be fearful of things that are not, understood or not known by you and those types of things and that was one of the big takeaways, what do you want to say about that episode. Pastor Bill: [25:17] No yeah the the the big takeaway there is absolutely right just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean you have to fear it you should be you should be grasping a hold of what you do understand, and as a Christian what you do understand is that the light has one God is one the darkness is lost, you should be embracing that instead of freaking out that oh my gosh I knew Hocus Pocus movie came out, and. Pastor Newms: [25:49] Let's just lean on the understanding that it wasn't as good as the first and. Pastor Bill: [25:54] Actually. Pastor Newms: [25:56] You did not enjoy it more. Pastor Bill: [25:59] Will you let me talk I understand what. Pastor Newms: [26:02] Taco comment earlier. Pastor Bill: [26:05] Sending me I understand what you're saying but my kids be eight year old and a three year old, had zero interest in Hocus Pocus after seeing hocus-pocus one but then when they saw hocus-pocus to they were like oh my gosh these are the best two movies ever and they wanted to re-watch hocus-pocus one and two and one and two, but it wasn't until I saw two that it really spoke to their worldview you know. Pastor Newms: [26:42] And we'll move on from there so the next one I picked was episode 13 episode 13 was entitled the Berean lifestyle and, I I loved the discussion that we had around the Brie and lifestyle because this is called the Berean Manifesto we talked about bereans a lot we've talked about the bereans a bunch, but in that episode we really dug into what that means, and those types of things and as Biggs just said on Twitch it did Leave It Wide Open for next year I'm pretty sure they're going to do a Disney Channel spin-off or something with the three new girls or something but that's fine, yeah I really that's what I think they're going to lead into a TV show and I'm okay but I loved the discussion that we had around the Brie and lifestyle and why we do it and what it truly means so yeah. Pastor Bill: [27:46] Awesome. Pastor Newms: [27:49] Okay so then episode go ahead. Pastor Bill: [27:54] It's really important to me the whole Berean lifestyle issue, you sleep it's the name of the whole podcast after it you know and so any time where we get to really just dive into well what does that mean and what are the implications and why do we choose that, it's really a good a good time a good time for me and a good time for me to express. [28:24] A lot of the way I see that life should be lived but then like we were talking about last week you know we're just kind of. [28:34] Preaching to the choir at this. Pastor Newms: [28:37] That we can talk about that in a minute but yeah I I was a little saddened in looking over the last year statistically, but we can talk about that later when we do wrap up at the end. Okay the next one, I skip to episode 39 so I skipped like half a year and it was called Progressive, quotation mark line quotation mark dot dot dot right and what we talked about in that episode was around the, the disc deconstruction movement things that we saw things that we knew and the fact that deconstruction overall isn't. Pastor Bill: [29:58] This is the first one of your list that I was like yes I that was one of my favorites and for two reasons there's this is one of my favorites for two reasons one is, well you were just saying you know it deconstruction is is actually to me an essential part, any Christians walk because, the defining factor that that makes you a Christian versus not a Christian, is that you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth. [30:38] And if you never actually do a deep dive into what it is that you're doing why it is that you're doing what it is that you actually believe, good how can you be sure that you actually believe or were you, coerced through emotion to recite a prayer, right so I have so many people that they grew up thinking oh yeah I'm a Christian I'm a Christian I think I go to church you know I serve in the church and then years later the look back and they'll go and never actually believed any of that. [31:18] I thought I did and I thought I was passionate about it or you'll get people to be like oh yeah I was a Believer but I'm not anymore, and that's just not how Christianity really works if you ever were truly convinced, then you can't be unconvinced it's once you understand the truth it is the truth that's how it works, and so there's that P and keep what important part there's you don't want to get to the end of your life thinking I'm a believer I'm going to go to heaven I'm going to live eternally with God how whatever your you know idea of the afterlife is, and then you get to judgment and and Jesus I never knew you, like Jesus said would happen with what some of those. [32:13] Pastors that would get there and we cast out demons in your name we healed the sick in your name is he's I never knew you, because it never actually believed you know you don't want to get there and have that moment, it'd be much better for you to understand that now and then perhaps there's a chance for you to find Salvation later and actually be convinced and have faith, and then that was that was number one is that an essential part of Christianity and then number two, is [32:48] One of the things we talked about was that Christianity is social justice, it's not that you know we we see a lot in the Evangelical culture about this well woke is the wrong way it's anti-christian well no, Christianity is social justice everything that Jesus did is defined as social justice everything that he commanded us to do, is social justice everything New Testament talks about that is the quintessential Christianity that is social justice, if you look around the world and you're seeing these social justice things happening and you're like I don't believe that that's communism whatever, you need to take a step back because Christianity is social justice and if you're using it as a tool for something else. [33:46] That's that's that's wrong that's not what Christianity is and so that's that's two reasons why I really like that episode. Pastor Newms: [33:57] So the next episode was episode 40 real far jump from 39. Pastor Bill: [34:06] So far. Pastor Newms: [34:07] And it was called defending the dot-dot-dot and the thing I loved about it was you know we're called to defend and sometimes that's making a whip because the story that we used was you know Jesus at the temple creating a whip and it wasn't because he was mad because, you know just because they had turned his father's Temple into you know, a den of capitalism but it was because they were taking advantage of people and that's truly, you know also part you know a huge part of that and that lends itself to that discussion we had before of you know in a lot of ways that Jesus was very much, for the people and taking advantage of people is bad. Pastor Bill: [35:05] Well the equivalent if you really want to you know brass tacks it the equivalent is, imagine you went to church one day and in the lobby there's table setup and there's people there that are there they have this sales pitch of, you bills bills got you down can't afford to pay your tithe this week just come take out a loan. Pastor Newms: [35:28] Open up this credit card. Pastor Bill: [35:30] Overall this credit card and pay your tithe on this credit card no problem small low interest fee it's fine don't worry about the interest you can handle it. Pastor Newms: [35:39] It really is. Pastor Bill: [35:41] This is the equivalent of what was going on and so it's like excuse me you're going to see what now, oh you want to participate in the building fund but you don't have any extra funds today no problem just take out a loan, we'll apply that money to the building fund and there you go you've participate in the building fund and you can just pay off the interest later it's a win-win we, we make me make a little bit of money off of loaning you money and you get to participate in the building fun it's great right. This is the idea of what was going on and that I think that would make me angry too. Pastor Newms: [36:20] I think it would make most people angry that doesn't make you angry I'm a little worried I won't be honest all right so then, episode 43 What Fear can teach us about faith which is pretty evident from the title fears not always bad it's how you respond, it does it for that one. Pastor Bill: [36:47] What's the same thing about bravery bravery is not the absence of fear, bravery is how you respond in the face of fear, instead of letting fear win well faith is not the absence of doubt it's not the absence of fear, faith is being surrounded by doubt and fear, and going you know what these doubts and these fears are just fuel for my faith and you know pushing forward with what you believe is real despite the lack of evidence for that or the evidence to the contrary, so yeah. [37:42] Really not it's really not because it doesn't it doesn't fit the narrative the Evangelical narrative you know that, you live and then you die and you only have the choice while you're living and. [38:01] It's hard to coerce people into being afraid of failing to find Salvation when they're alive if. You have to explain that there were a time when other people had a different option, and if this is all confusing you then you should go back and listen to me up so, but basically we talked about the where the New Testament talks about Jesus during that time after he died he goes to hell and he preaches the gospel to those that are in captive and she'll those who had died before, so that they have access to the Salvation as well it's a really good it's a really good concept I think because it, it answers this question you get a lot of people who ask well what about if Jesus is the only way to heaven of Jesus the only way to God, what about all those people that live before Jesus did they just are they just doomed to Hell forever and will that that answer is in the, it's there and to deny that part of the Fiat the basic theology that's in the Bible because we've talked about that the Bible is literally just basic theology, to deny that denies some of the questions that people have why did they make you laugh. Pastor Newms: [39:26] You remind me of a song and I don't remember what band it was I think I remember the band but I don't want to miss a the band and then have bigs and zadie yell at me but, the, basic instructions before leaving Earth solids for it's just basic instructions it's right there in the acronym and I want to say it was The Katinas this thing that, a hundred percent on that I was that's what I thought who was it. Pastor Bill: [40:00] Camera with the name of the band but it wasn't it wasn't The Katinas. Pastor Newms: [40:03] No okay I think I did that I think I did that once before and then had to look it up and realized who it was all right next one. Pastor Bill: [40:15] Who was it that thing. Pastor Newms: [40:16] Episode 71 casting lots and hanging thoughts so, and that's thoughts as in thoughty2 or all of those out there who are understand internet references, thoughts. Pastor Bill: [40:37] Burlap to Cashmere. Pastor Newms: [40:39] I'll Burlap to cashmere that's who it was thank you. That's just a great title it was a great title is very good on your part and, good discussion throughout that episode its parts that people don't talk about a lot its parts that you know casting lots is a very interesting thing, and so yeah it was it was an interesting one. Pastor Bill: [41:10] Casting lots being something that you still do. Pastor Newms: [41:13] I do I do that is true. Pastor Bill: [41:15] I do it from time to time. Pastor Newms: [41:17] I mean I do it with I do it right here I mean I've got I've got my dice tray right here I played D&D with it but these three I use, to help make decisions when I can't make a decision. Pastor Bill: [41:34] Yeah I mean when you flip a coin when you know when people flip a coin like should we go to Denny's or should be good IHOP let's flip a coin that's casting lots if you're casting lat. Pastor Newms: [41:45] My favorite time to use it, is should I do this or should I do that and it's always I don't use it for big decisions of course but I use it for things like should I take a nap or should I play video games should I watch this movie or should I take a nap should I, actually usually it's if I should take a nap or not should I do whatever the family wants me to do or should I take a nap it really is around my nap time let's I think like 90% of the time it's if I should take a nap or not, now that I start thinking about it. Pastor Bill: [42:21] Try to take a nap or not. [42:35] And as far as casting lots the the Old Testament law actually lays out casting lots as one of the ways to determine what God's will for something in, so it's not witchcraft is not Wizardry it's not you know whatever it's actually laid out, in the Old Testament as a way for the followers of the Lord to determine what is God's will for something. [43:08] All right, C3 p72. Pastor Newms: [43:11] 72 aren't they glands so, I wrote this it's not it doesn't have anything to do with what the actual conversation was about but I wrote the comment insults can be a good thing and it's not it's not what the, the thing was about at all, but I thought it was clever so that's what I wrote I like the conversation because it really showed, that that term when it's used in that verse it is an insult, like aren't these guys just fishermen aren't these guys just idiots aren't these guys just those guys that are uneducated like how are they talking like this how do they have this understanding the important part around that is of course that, it's the holy spirit so. Pastor Bill: [44:02] It's the same concept of, when Jesus went into the temple and it was his day to just speak and he, he chose a scroll and he read from Isaiah about, the time when the Lord would come to Open the Eyes of the Blind and open here's the death and to declare the year of the Lord, and the reaction of the crowd. [44:33] Wait isn't this the Carpenter's son how can you even read the scroll you know it's that same concept something something, Supernatural is happening that this idiot is able to do that, and so it's this moment of of when you're being underestimated and and it was it was at this, this point of the day of Pentecost and there there are speaking in all these languages of all these people, and then they're talking about these deep level Concepts and the the people like aren't these galileans it because they're hearing their accents, and in the in that episode you were you were talking about it's similar to saying like aren't these coal miners from that coal mining town aren't these fishermen from that fishing to like, these guys aren't supposed to be Rogue Scholars these guys are supposed to be idiots who were just good for, the rough-and-tumble jobs how are they saying these things. [45:52] Yeah that one day esta la biblioteca. Pastor Newms: [45:58] Yeah thank you that was another great point of that, episode now I'm a little confused, going into the next to because you said you have for that you really liked and you said this is my first one, we're down to two and you've never said this is what I also picked. Pastor Bill: [46:25] Sorry it was it was 3969. 71 and 72. Pastor Newms: [46:33] Okay okay I was like wait a second now so this is one of the things I put in my personal notes down here, of part of season 3 that I did not enjoy, which towards the end of season 3 I don't even remember how many episodes. [47:01] I was the big face and I was leading it, because Bill took a sabbatical and you can't trust it just by the image I thought about that but I think it's like one less than the image maybe maybe but, so these last two are ones that I actually LED that that I picked episode 87, reasons Christians should not celebrate birthdays and the reason why this was brought up is because I hate my birthday, I hate celebrating my birthday I don't like celebrating Christmas I don't like getting gifts I don't think we should celebrate holidays because I don't like, I love giving people gifts I love giving people at you know I don't like receiving so I don't think we should celebrate birthdays because of that, now of course that's crazy you should listen to episode it's funny but the reason I picked it was because it's talking about, why we should speak on things even if we don't like it like the idea came to me because I was upset that we are celebrating my birthday, or about to I can't remember which side it was on. [48:24] And I was like I don't want to do this I should talk about that let me find biblically I know there sects of Christianity that don't celebrate birthdays let me find Y and let me disprove the fact that we shouldn't do this and of course, isn't valid scriptural evidence for it so, I didn't win the argument but that's the point is as people who are, studying to have the conversations. [49:00] We can't just talk about we want sometimes we've talked about hard topics that we don't enjoy because they're hard topics and that's why I brought that one up. [49:12] And then episode 91 which was is salvation the end goal, and that was a good conversation I think discipleship is extremely important and so often as Bill alluded to earlier, certain churches have pushed The Narrative of salvations the most important thing. [49:54] And it is super important but we're not, commanded the Great Commission is not go get people saved it's Go Make Disciples we should be discipling and so often we lose that in your big, congregation style churches where, not all of course not all there are deer churches out there that have discipleship programs in small groups and are doing it correctly but there is a lot especially in the, 90s and hearts that were just pushing for salvation numbers and, that doesn't help build the kingdom it just builds people that sometimes then go and deconstruct because they wasn't actual belief there to begin with. [50:45] And so those were my episodes that I chose that I liked a lot from, the last 100 episodes in season 3 also I wrote it was a very very long two years if you think about where we were in October of 2022 now. Oh my gosh there's so much difference between those two time periods. Pastor Bill: [51:12] Happened in that. Pastor Newms: [51:13] Um so much so much has happened in those two years. To your punk so it's it's twice one is the celebration of the king that took John the Baptist head. It was during that celebration that they took John the Baptist head because he was like I'm in a good mood and his, daughter nice someone I don't have the scriptures pulled so I don't want to miss say it, female relative was like you should give me John the Baptist head because you're in a good mood and he was like yeah let's do it. Pastor Bill: [52:13] Niece / stepdaughter. Pastor Newms: [52:16] Yes there you go and the other one is one of the Pharaohs, back in somewhere there's a discussion of a Pharaoh's birthday I don't remember where or, when but those are the two only and so because of that because of that some people say you shouldn't celebrate your birthday and in certain Jewish cultures, certain you know depending on which sect of Judaism they don't. Pastor Bill: [52:48] Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate birthdays. Pastor Newms: [52:51] Do not either that is correct. Pastor Bill: [52:53] I believe the Greek Orthodox don't celebrate birthdays. [53:06] But they do make great Gyros. Pastor Newms: [53:08] Yes I do miss the Greek festival. Pastor Bill: [53:16] Yeah but there's a lot of pagan stuff tied up in birthdays, the round cake and the candles being worship of Artemis the blowing out the candles and what. Is that where you get sheet cake instead of round. Pastor Newms: [53:35] I said I used a square sheet cake. Pastor Bill: [53:38] Yeah the blowing out the candles and make a wish the the smoke is supposed to carry your wish up to Artemis so she can grant your wish there's all these all these. Pastor Newms: [53:47] That's just in sanitary. Pastor Bill: [53:49] Pagan things that right my last birthday you know because we're in the height of pandemic not my last breath the breath for that, they lit the candles and I was like bring the cake out and they were like no don't blow on it was like I'm not going to blow on it and they were like what do you want us to light the candles like someone put the candles out well no not you can't blow it I'm not gonna blow on it so they got close and I did a Thunderclap, and it's all the candles went out it was great you know I was like Hulk smash Thunderclap. Pastor Newms: [54:22] Nice all right so what else. Pastor Bill: [54:27] All right what would seven parody. Pastor Newms: [54:30] What else do you want to discuss in episode 100 episode 100. Pastor Bill: [54:37] We're good next week we next week know the 300 technically but yeah next week we were going to hit season 4 episode 1, so that'll be that'll be good we're gonna we're actually going to spend, most if not all of that episode in Genesis 1:1 so that'll be fun, and so we'll talk we'll talk a little bit about, Genesis as a whole and then we'll be focusing on in on Genesis 1:1 and then we'll kind of see where we go from there for the rest of the season I don't know I doubt we'll be doing an exegesis from Genesis 11 through all of scripture, so we're definitely going to talk about. Pastor Newms: [55:37] That would take more than 100 episodes I think so. Pastor Bill: [55:38] More than more than a season yeah but we're just going to start it in 11 and and so yeah it'll be a good time this podcast comes out. [56:00] If you were gonna do the big odds we would talk about things of notes that each name did and then he named that didn't do anything of note we would definitely skip those, it'd be like yeah that guy didn't do anything so we're gonna skip that name, it was just a rung in the ladder all right this podcast comes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. anywhere that you get your podcasts why are you laughing pastor newms. Pastor Newms: [56:28] So last week I was supposed to put it out but they were they had maintenance on Monday on Sunday night remember I was. Pastor Bill: [56:36] I'll see you did that. Pastor Newms: [56:38] So I didn't so it went out Thursday morning at like 9:15 in the morning when I realized I didn't put it out sorry so it made me giggle my bad. Pastor Bill: [56:50] And then earlier today you were like did I never put out City theology part 3. Pastor Newms: [56:55] I didn't it doesn't look like I put it out anywhere. Pastor Bill: [56:57] That's funny. Pastor Newms: [57:00] Which was one I didn't want to record so I must have been in a bad mood when we finished because it. Pastor Bill: [57:07] So this podcast when we remember to push it out live comes out on, round about Wednesday sometimes Thursday or Friday or Saturday sometimes Sunday right before we record the next live episode or sometimes never depending on how lazy were, so just follow us somewhere where you get Podcast you'll get notified when we get around to dropping an episode, or you could join us on Sunday evenings when we sometimes go live because sometimes we don't if we're feeling sick sicker than I am right now we're having like a family holiday like Halloween you know. [57:52] Our app Grayson asked why does your app stay gone fishing I thought that's what he posted the occlusion House app has been defunct for at least two years bro. Pastor Newms: [58:02] I'm not sure how you found it. Pastor Bill: [58:05] He probably still had it downloaded from back in the day. Yeah alright so join us live on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time you can go to EKK.house to find out which twitch what Facebook and which YouTube, oui are live on those accounts, and we would we would love to have you here participating in the chat you heard us talking back and forth to some people in the chat when we first started, the whole point of the chat is so that people can interact while we're having the theological discussions being very in and what not, so join us live and we would love to have you here in our virtual Studio I'm in Texas Pastor newms is in Tennessee, and yeah we'd love to be face-to-face and serving food again like we used to in the past that is not the season we're in, just serving spiritual food. Who wants spiritual seconds that's not how the. [59:27] Could I guess I would be a could be hearing and you could be there eating on. Pastor Newms: [59:31] We both shove our faces right before we start. Pastor Bill: [59:34] You wanted you wanted to do that when we were going when we were going to straight video you were like me and Tina can be at our table eating and you could be eating where you are and I was like let's let's not, eat on camera in front of people that's not, the same thing as here have some food on the church that's more like you don't have food haha we do, um so yeah, all right so we love you guys and we hope you have a great. Pastor Newms: [1:00:12] Chipper stay safe out there. Pastor Bill: [1:00:17] Pastor newms just had a small focal seizure and until next time.

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33E97 State Of Theology Part 3 Pastor Bill And Pastor Newms  Transcript Pastor Newms: [0:09] Church intro video Church intro video because it appears that it finally. Pastor Bill: [0:15] Intro video Church intro video if I only worked. Pastor Newms: [0:21] Looks like it but it's only for twitch we are only live on Twitch. Pastor Bill: [0:27] We're only live on Twitch all right. Pastor Newms: [0:36] I don't know I don't know how anything is going to be, because we're optimized for restream we're not optimized to go straight to Twitch so I would assume that's okay but. Pastor Bill: [0:56] That's hilarious. Pastor Newms: [0:59] So restream is having issues tonight. Hopefully that does not spell the end of restream there's been rumors a couple times that it was going away hopefully this isn't the time that happens. [1:21] Is some streaming platforms do not like them and have talked about banning them so. Pastor Bill: [1:30] Mmm. Pastor Newms: [1:37] Be interesting to see it's probably just a glitch with their servers tonight but that's neither here nor there so you're going to have to talk directly on Twitch do you have, it opened on a device. Pastor Bill: [1:55] I I do now yeah so I need to talk on Twitch instead of on Discord. Pastor Newms: [2:03] It won't pull it I don't think because the restream bot isn't running. Pastor Bill: [2:12] Okay okay okay on me. [2:38] Hey really really suck. Pastor Newms: [3:02] Do do do do do. [3:33] Where does it say to viewers two people are viewing. Do you know who don't know don't know. Pastor Bill: [3:46] I think one of those is me. Pastor Newms: [3:48] Don't know anything probably zaydis here. Pastor Bill: [3:53] Daddy's here. [3:58] Um Pastor Newms: [4:02] Yeah Grayson life is a little interesting we're doing church tonight and I sent messages to some people and, I forgot about you I love you though I just forgot to send you a message saying we were doing church tonight instead of, Sunday, and we miss Sunday because I was sick too Sunday was bad Sunday was real bad. Pastor Bill: [4:42] Sunday was bad I was six and Sunday too. [4:51] Okay. [5:02] Grayson says it's okay he's still somewhat new Grayson I thought you were like 15 or 16 or 14 are that's not new. Pastor Newms: [5:10] He means new to always being watching smart. Pastor Bill: [5:14] Oh I see I see. Pastor Newms: [5:15] Hey look we're face life. Pastor Bill: [5:18] We are faced live now hello and welcome to season 3 episode 97 of the broom Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined, by Pastor newms he's right over here say hi pastor newms. Pastor Newms: [5:40] Hello I am, I am here I am frustrated cuz I just spent the last 30 minutes trying to get the stream working so I'm not necessarily, in a great mood to start off because third I know it looks orange and it's not Orange, it's a deep beautiful red but because the lights in here it looks orange and a really dirty orange to not a good bright orange if you bring me a different shirt I'll step off camera and change but yeah I know it's the wrong color for UT bigs the wrong color it is a red shirt, but I don't know why it's not, color balancing man it's because it's trying to color balance with my extremely white skin so it it's like Pastor Bill is very yellow tonight unless he's become jaundiced because of some. Pastor Bill: [6:42] Mobile help. Pastor Newms: [6:43] Thing over there I hope not how was your week. Pastor Bill: [6:49] Monica's pretty good what is wrong with my recording my my thing is okay I need to make a new one. Pastor Newms: [6:53] Man I don't I don't nothing likes us nothing internet doesn't like us to go live on Sundays nothing else likes us to go live any other time off. Pastor Bill: [7:01] Nothing wants to go live any other day. [7:10] 3 97.1 let's get some audio recording going okay let's try that again for the the podcast. Pastor Newms: [7:17] Oh my gosh really. Pastor Bill: [7:21] Just just just just the, hello and welcome to season 3 episode 97 of the breed Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor newms. Pastor Newms: [7:38] Who has extreme amounts of deja vu. Pastor Bill: [7:41] We're recording on a different night because we were both sick on Sunday and this Sunday we're not able to record so we're doing a Thursday this time and we're going to finish up, should be able to finish up. Pastor Newms: [7:56] If we don't finish up I'm done not doing a part four. Pastor Bill: [8:00] Our commentary on the 2022 state of theology survey that came out, and so yeah so here we are uncle uncle newms uncle newms how was your week. Pastor Newms: [8:17] No that's not that's not what we call me here. Pastor Bill: [8:20] Pastor newms how was your week. Uncle Fester. Pastor Newms: [8:25] No we no no no that is too Southern for me my week was pretty good other than some weird stomach bug that started on, Sunday and basically really just ended, at some point last night while I was asleep because I was sick when I went to bed and but the crazy thing was I felt great, like wasn't extra tired no fever no body aches no nothing just my stomach hated me. Pastor Bill: [9:12] It was by at huh. Pastor Newms: [9:16] Yeah it was it was about but you know usually on a Sunday night we talked about you know I've done something over the weekend or I've played games or I've but I really haven't much this week we had some storms and stuff last night and, I've been judging the show with my daughter cuz its third season comes out. Saturday or Friday I don't know which, she keeps saying the 15th but then she keeps saying Friday so I don't I don't know I don't know when the show comes out but, we're going to be binged and done and ready to watch it when it comes out either way we've got three episodes we're going to watch them after tonight so for us. Pastor Bill: [10:10] What show is it. Pastor Newms: [10:11] The owl house it's a Disney show about a girl who gets trapped a human girl who gets trapped in the demon, realm that's not really a demon realm but it's like it's real it's real weird it's real weird, real real cute the main character is Hispanic and. [10:39] I believe bisexual and she has a little girlfriend, and she's got she's got a nice A little girlfriend not because not to degrade, girlfriends but because they're like 14 so little because, children let me be clear on that like the term little girlfriend because they are children not because they any degrading manner of saying that, and I have an alarm set from last night when I took a nap that just decided to go off so sorry about that if that got picked up on the audio we normally are live on Thursdays, so it's a it's a cute little show it's weird she basically starts to become a witch and it's because the it's an aisle of magic and all this stuff and all these things happen and it's a kid show and it's it's on Disney plus and there's two seasons of it and they originally had canceled it and there was such an outcry from people including a lot of, why a because it's it really feels like write a novel not like a children's show but there was such a public outcry they decided to give it a third season so, that'll be. Pastor Bill: [12:06] It was such an outcry from the owl population that they had to bring it back. Pastor Newms: [12:14] I will go downstairs. Pastor Bill: [12:17] Anyway so my week so I was sick on Sunday and then Tuesday I had a second interview for that one job that I did that other interview for so that's always good when you get a second interview it's always nice. An administrative judge has to administrative stuff so nothing out of my Wheelhouse in any way shape or form you know. So yeah that was about it for miweek oh huh I found out that. Being sick is not an unexcused absence in Texas schools. Pastor Newms: [13:03] You mean it is an unexcused absence. Pastor Bill: [13:06] I'm sorry isn't an excused absence. Pastor Newms: [13:09] Yes it is. Pastor Bill: [13:11] Being sick is an unexcused absence even if you have a doctor's note it's a lot excused it's considered unexcused though. Pastor Newms: [13:18] It's an unexcused absence and but yet. Pastor Bill: [13:21] That's going to be fun when that turns around and bites them on the but when parents figured that out and. Pastor Newms: [13:26] Oh no that's. Pastor Bill: [13:27] Send their kid to school when they're contagious. Pastor Newms: [13:30] That's that's how it's always been that's that's not new that was it was still unexcused absences during covid you can thank your governor for that, it's not the school systems the governor actually turned the emergency laws emergency rules that were, passed during covid C covid year the tour years there was an emergency thing that allowed all absences to be, excused if they were sickness related for that time period but both before that and now, that's just how it is it's one of the reasons it is the same here which is one of the reasons why we had to, pull Sarah out is because she misses so many days for her illness because, if you have two symptoms you gotta go like can't stay in school if you've got two symptoms well her issue is stomach related so, stomach pain which then your body tries to fight off with a fever, even though she's not sick at all that's to symptoms you're out for the day and so we were getting even in Texas we were getting letters constantly like your kid is. [14:49] If you miss this many more days your kid will not actually pass this grade blah blah blah and then the principal would have to write a letter saying that the kids actually at the point where they should be and it has to be signed by the teacher also for the kid to move forward, with health issues the health issues in in both of our states are not well taken care of which is also why. [15:13] Why I reward my girls on days, of that other kids get rewards for perfect attendance because perfect attendance is stupid because perfect attendance is impossible for anyone with a health issue which. So perfect attendance is stupid and if you celebrate it I think you're stupid. Pastor Bill: [15:36] So now it's time for getting another pastors. Pastor Newms: [15:38] Is it my card or your card I pulled a card I thought it was my card. Pastor Bill: [15:43] It can be your car that's fine. Pastor Newms: [15:44] I don't know I don't remember. If anyone of the national if anyone of the national holidays had to be twice a year 6 months apart which one would you want it to be what national holiday would you like to celebrate twice instead of once. Pastor Bill: [16:03] What are we calling and national holiday. Pastor Newms: [16:05] I don't know national holiday whatever you want to call it a day that the nation our nation celebrates. I don't think it has to be necessarily A like everything is closed national holiday but I would assume based on the question. I can think of two and they're both equally funny because I'm just a jerk. [16:42] It's an odd day it's 13 so newms is now an odd now we're not keeping track of that is 80 there's no way we can keep track of the even odd thing I can't do it he tries and fails we're not doing it, come on Bill come on come on national holiday. Pastor Bill: [17:00] I have no idea. Pastor Newms: [17:01] Come on I can think of two and they're equally funny and I would do it just because the funniness of it okay one Halloween is not a national holiday you don't get it off, so Halloween doesn't count. Pastor Bill: [17:16] I just hate it when the mail doesn't run so I would just get rid of all of them. Pastor Newms: [17:19] So the funny ones I think would be funny is if New Year's day was twice a year. I would also love if the Fourth of July was twice a year because it'd be the Fourth of July in the middle of December, or Pastor Bill: [17:44] Yeah. Pastor Newms: [17:45] Christmas in July because half the people already do that so any of those would be except any of those three would be acceptable just for the humor of them being twice a year. National holidays now let's be honest if we were in a different country it's completely different this month the next month, actually this month totally there's like, 10 or 15 national holidays in India like. And I know there's some next week there were some last week there's some you know it's just so that would be fun. Pastor Bill: [18:57] Like the one we just had like can we just stop can we just not do that anymore like no Columbus Day Monday was. Pastor Newms: [19:06] Oh well some states already have stopped I think there's three states already who knows. Pastor Bill: [19:14] The bank's didn't open the mail didn't run and Columbus is still a piece of not worthy of something to celebrate. Pastor Newms: [19:20] Well there's three states who have changed it legally to indigenous peoples day. Pastor Bill: [19:29] It shows up in the Apple calendar as both now. Pastor Newms: [19:32] Yeah because there are. Pastor Bill: [19:33] It's just people day. [19:50] Maybe we should start celebrating Columbus Day and we should build giant Effigies of Columbus and just burn them. Pastor Newms: [19:57] So I want to talk a lot. Pastor Bill: [19:59] Columbus Day. Pastor Newms: [20:00] I know this is not a shock, there's this particular Tick-Tock ER I follow and she does a skit called Hells Bells and it's about help desk which is the front desk of Hell help. Pastor Bill: [20:15] Ah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Pastor Newms: [20:16] Well she did one about. Pastor Bill: [20:19] They're Starkey and all that. Pastor Newms: [20:21] Yeah Sharky and all them they did one for ya, Leif Eriksson day they did one for Columbus Day and it's a it's a celebration down there and they bring him out and everyone gets to torture. Pastor Bill: [20:36] Everyone gets a turn. Pastor Newms: [20:37] Yeah everyone gets a turn on that day, and humorously Leif Erikson is one of the people they talked about in there and because the person that they're talking to is like why would the why would the Norse be here it's like oh they're still mad he said he did it first, so you know it's. Pastor Bill: [20:57] I like the ones of her videos where somebody shows up and they're like oh I knew you'd be here and she's she goes oh I just work here I live up there I just come here to work. Pastor Newms: [21:07] You're going down to level nine though it very much is a Dante's Inferno infernal infernal and fertile infertile. Style representation of Hell in her skits because that's what so many people think of but it's it's pretty funny sometimes she's got some good stuff. Pastor Bill: [21:37] Okay so let's get into this. Pastor Newms: [21:40] Okay do we have to. Pastor Bill: [21:42] We are on number 27 of 35, and we should be able to wrap this up tonight all right so number 27 gender identity is a matter of choice, twenty-four percent strongly agree. 18% somewhat agree seven percent aren't sure 13% somewhat disagree and 38 percent strongly disagree with the statement okay, once again if you haven't been listening to other two parts you should go to see the part. Pastor Newms: [22:18] You should. Pastor Bill: [22:18] As We complain endlessly about how awful this thing actually is, they're saying gender identity is a matter of choice but you know that's not what they're actually say right so so okay. Pastor Newms: [22:30] Asking. Pastor Bill: [22:36] When we're talking about gender identity you've only really got and I'm probably wrong but you've only really got two schools of thought. Pastor Newms: [22:47] Wrong. Pastor Bill: [22:49] Probably is that gender is. And if you have semen then you are the male gender and if you have. Eggs ovum. Pastor Newms: [23:20] I don't I don't know man you got me almost casting already. Pastor Bill: [23:22] If you have eggs then you are the female gender that's one school of thought there's another school of thought that gender identity, is created by cultural norms, and what is male and what is female what is masculine and what is feminine and the genders attached to those and the Spectrum in between of those is all created by culture. And they're technically both right neither one of those are technically wrong because our culture decided that the thing that has semen is a male, and has masculine attributes and our culture decided at the thing that creates the egg is a female and has, feminine attributes right, and so then we've got these people that are stuck in between going well I was born biologically. [24:26] But inside I don't fit any of these cultural, identity markers that culture has created for me I feel like I'm more the other definition, and then they Embrace that identity and try to make themselves outside look the way they feel inside right which still isn't a choice. Right you were born with a certain identity on the inside of you that you didn't choose. Pastor Newms: [25:00] Yeah and we've had this conversation on on other podcast before it's that difference between you know where made up of three parts just because the body doesn't fit, the spirit or Soul whichever one we want to use and we won't get into that argument Snyder we won't finish on time, that's different and like big said, people try to force everyone into a blue or pink you know and that's not correct and then you have the situations where. Both gender and, sex where they don't fit either where the chromosomes don't make sense where the you know they don't fought by make sense I mean follow the, the norm I don't mean they don't make sense because chromosomes are chromosomes they make sense but they don't fit that Norm of of what people have defined and and that's the part that I find really, humorous about people who try to make the argument that there's only two situations that can be true when it's like, that's not how nature works. Pastor Bill: [26:21] That's not facts at all that's 100% the culture that you. Live in that informs you of that decision you were born and raised in a culture that taught you there was only two options. Pastor Newms: [26:36] As well as. Pastor Bill: [26:41] And people are born every day that don't. That definition, that have intermix parts that have both parts that and that all goes back to what we were talking about before about God created everything perfect and then sin came in and started to grading it, and then now we're using building blocks that are over many thousands of years separated from creation, and corrupted and over and over and over and over and over and yeah of course we get people born with deformities of course we get people born with male bodies to have female, Souls if Spirits or have you want to stay at female identity on the inside of course we do, that doesn't degrade the value of that human life. I any means not like the implication of of the question is you know what I mean. Pastor Newms: [27:45] Yeah so there's this other I hate to bring Tick-Tock up so many times tonight but it's a Thursday not a Sunday so it's going to happen I'm not on my normal game. Pastor Bill: [27:55] The first day. Pastor Newms: [27:57] It's not a Thursday it's actually not been a very thirsty day but the, there's a tick tock train and it's like I've just forgotten the sum this up the sound but it's it's a person makes a statement is written across the screen and it's like, you know know speak up, and they say it's another statement that's a little bit closer to what they truly mean and then it's like no speak up and then they say what they actually mean and it's like yeah you're like I don't believe in this and you're like no say what you mean you don't understand it so you hate the person you know say what you mean don't say what you and that's, often in a lot of these questions where the problem lies is the questions are worded, not what the person means by asking the question first off and second off so we're just dumb. Pastor Bill: [29:02] All right I think we covered that one pretty well. Pastor Newms: [29:04] Do we have to go to the next one some of the some of these ones in this set I don't want to at all I really don't just because they're hot button topics we've talked about multiple times in the past, and I'm like when we're in podcast mode I have to try to be a good person and not say, some I can't speak up and so it's really hard some of these topics are really hard for me to be calm and nice to some of these people that just don't pay attention but number 29 let's go, 20:28 sorry I'm see I'm trying to skip. Pastor Bill: [29:40] All right, the Bible's condemnation of homosexual Behavior doesn't apply today that's the statement 30 percent strongly agree with that statement, the Bible's kind of nation doesn't apply anymore sixteen percent somewhat agree, twelve percent aren't sure 12% somewhat disagree in 30 percent strongly disagree so I mean that's that's a pretty even split down the middle of half and half, the only real, outlier here is the four percent higher of respondents somewhat agree other than that it's a pretty even split right down the middle on people's responses to that. Pastor Newms: [30:24] It is a pretty even split. Pastor Bill: [30:27] So this is this is this is the way I want to, frame the idea here so that I can try to get people on the same wavelength as what I'm thinking you know. The Bible condemns eating pork in the Old Testament for a reason right. And then by the time we get to the New Testament days that restriction the reason that restriction was given doesn't exist anymore. [31:00] And so you don't have scriptures in the New Testament saying don't eat pork right. The Old Testament is is hard on homosexual behavior in multiple places don't you know don't do this and. If you frame that in their cultural setting it makes 100% sense, that a relationship that has the inability to Bear fruits and multiply genetically, would be a detriment to a people group wandering the desert and people constantly dying and needing an influx of, babies right not to mention the cleanliness and the STD issue that, ancient civilizations, you know they had a lot more struggles with that than we do today with our medications and are our safety tools and are contraceptives and, I'm not going to say condoms because people in using making condoms out of goat bladder for, thousands of years so it's not necessarily the didn't have gone. Pastor Newms: [32:22] That's not much cleaner. Pastor Bill: [32:22] They had some version of it but it's much cleaner nail, um so with the New Testament with the question of homosexuality we go back to the the question we talked about in part 2 about what is this sex outside of traditional marriage, what does that look like and what is, what is the condemnation of the scriptures the condemnation of scriptures that we brought up was don't have sex outside of marriage as part of the worship of an idol don't go to the temple and have sex. Is part of worship of an idol you know what I mean so yeah there's there's this thing where it's like. All sex has a risk and all sex has an issue where, there's a there's a good way to do it there's a bad way to do it there's a way that's healthy for you in a way that's unhealthy for you and you just lump homosexual behavior in with that just because either, it makes you uncomfortable or it scares you or, you you think it's the same for you and so other people shouldn't do it if it is a sin for you then don't do it, you know what I mean like just don't do it if it's a sin for you than just don't participate in that I don't know how else to put it. Pastor Newms: [33:52] So for me there's there's there's two aspects one is what you're talking about and then when we look at like First Corinthians 10:23 which we've brought up so many times, throughout this and other times just because it's, a Crux of what Paul talks about is everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial everything is, permissible but not everything builds up you know so just because it's good for you doesn't mean it's good for someone else vice versa etc etc the other issue I have is, the scriptures in English that we hold in our hands do not have the same implications and connotations in a lot of times in a lot of places, that the original scripture did so, the Bible's condemnation of homosexual behavior in the majority of the verses that people use to condemn homosexuality, doesn't exist the concept of homosexuality to a certain degree didn't. [35:03] Exist because sexuality was just sexuality, for so many generations in eons and years and you know like there's the word didn't exist, when the Bible was written nor when the Bible was originally translated it's a word that came in. Pastor Bill: [35:23] The word didn't that the idea of. Pastor Newms: [35:26] The idea in the world I'm just saying the there's those that, so because of that a lot of times when the word is used in scripture it's not that word and not, meaning the only times you could actually infer that it does mean that, is actually the word isn't used it's set in a completely different way that makes you go okay yeah I see what he's saying there and there's a valid reason for it like you were mentioning, we need people to procreate because we're trying to kill off a whole group of people and we need new ones, let's be honest that's that's that's what the walking around was we need a whole new generation let's go and so you know. But that's the thing that always frustrates me especially about the New Testament is when people are like see it says it right there and you're like yeah it's not what that word means but okay. Pastor Bill: [36:25] Closest the closest words you get in the New Testament to homosexual is the word hetero sharks and, it's such a catch all that it, it's almost gross to use it for that because it covers everything from bestiality to necrotic relationship so it covers I mean it covers you know, lat. Pastor Newms: [36:53] Non non standard quote-unquote for those of you out there I'm not saying. Pastor Bill: [37:01] Directly translated it means attraction to strange flesh. [37:11] Okay we're going to move on because we don't need to beat a dead horse all right I mean we do that a lot on the breed Manifesto we're going to do that with this one number 29. Pastor Newms: [37:23] See all the other times we've talked about it combined them all in this horse is dead. Pastor Bill: [37:28] It seems dead God is unconcerned with my day-to-day decisions, eighteen percent strongly agree only 18 percent strongly agree that God is not concerned with your day-to-day decisions 14% somewhat agree 10% weren't sure 18% somewhat disagree and forty percent strongly disagree, and believe that God is, a micromanager. [38:00] I don't hold on I don't think God is interested in whether I put butter on my toast. Well I eat bacon and drink my coffee. I just don't there's no Eternal or worldwide impact to any of that decision for that day now if I was eating 10 pounds of bacon, for breakfast every morning and abusing myself and having that negative impact on me and everyone around me and my future well then yeah God's concerned because God you know God is love and love is concerned about, you know when you're doing unhealthy things like that but, to say that God is concerned with with your all of your day-to-day decisions like should I take a shower now or in 10 minutes should I lay on my left chin inside are my right hand side should I, you see what I'm you see what I'm saying that the questions kind of ridiculous. Pastor Newms: [39:00] Okay I'll let you finish first. Pastor Bill: [39:03] I did I just finished. Pastor Newms: [39:04] Okay so this is one of those interesting ones where I read the question completely. When it says God is unconcerned with my day-to-day decisions I disagreed because God loves us and does not want us to worry because we're covered in being watched, because there are certain day-to-day decisions that he does you of all people how many times if we driven somewhere, and you're like no I really should just turn right right here no you're supposed to turn left no I have to turn right, there are times where those day-to-day decisions are important there are times where they are not but I didn't even take it to mean that I took it to mean, God is concerned with us daily in providing for us and taking care of us and and guiding our day-to-day decisions to provide for us so I took it as a completely different question. When I read it. Pastor Bill: [40:05] I wonder if it's if this is included on their their key findings to see what they meant when they asked, it's 29 see if it's on the key findings because not everything is. Pastor Newms: [40:21] Yeah but that I find that very interesting that I you know we took it completely took the question not only you know our answers but the question itself completely. [40:42] And this is this goes back to something I love to complain about on every podcast almost it would actually be a fun game to see how many times I haven't complained about this not how many times I have which is English is a terrible language, human language cannot, articulate things well what one person means by something someone else can take completely different and in my line of work. Pastor Bill: [41:10] You need a whole paragraph to unto explain. Pastor Newms: [41:13] So for those of you out there who don't know what I do I'm a product manager for a software part of a company health care company and, the difference between the were certain words are hilarious because you will get into our long discussions on what does enrolled, engaged outreached active, these are four words that like mean completely different things to people which, two other people mean completely different things and it's funny I got into and I actually have there's one person out there that actually does listen to our podcast from my job and, the she sometimes does and, if she hears this she's going to laugh and she's gonna know exactly what day this was recorded on because she was in the meeting with me and we were like we don't know I mean which which are you talking about in this meeting like art write it down and go ask the business and that's what they that's what we have to do is then go figure it out you know what did they mean when they wrote this. Pastor Bill: [42:30] In the culture of your business what does this word mean. Pastor Newms: [42:35] Yeah and in your opinion at this moment what does this word mean because four different parts of the business even, like different markets they take the words to mean different things so that we actually have like a multi-page document that's like this is what this one means this is what this one means this is what this one means and in that document it's like for this group this word for this group this word for this group and that's what happens when you you run reporting. Pastor Bill: [43:07] I don't know so much about other languages but I know with English we're really bad about creating these little subcultures and then creating our own shorthand in these little subcultures, that then doesn't translate well to the other subcultures that other people have created, and so English just gets it keeps Schism and then it schisms again and then it's because I was again and then. Pastor Newms: [43:33] Well I think part of it comes down to it's such a amalgamation, I think it's the right word of so many other things the language we speak here in America is such a Melting Pot of other languages and dialects and parts and what is set in Texas versus Tennessee what is said you know New York versus Chicago don't even get me started on what a pie is or not you know there's some and it's true though I mean it's it's, it's terrible anguish was it part I was given I was trying to delay to give you time to look was it part of the findings that they listed okay number 30. Pastor Bill: [44:19] All right number 30 the Bible has the authority to tell us what we must do. Twenty-nine percent strongly agree as well as strongly disagree 23% somewhat agree, 14% somewhat disagree and 5% aren't sure so still another you know almost straight down the middle that the Bible has the authority to tell us what we must do so. The Bible has no authority to do anything, it cannot tell us what to do it cannot force us to do anything it cannot, exert any kind of authority over us it has no more control over anyone than what we give it as a person, for you to say the Bible has Authority is to take the Bible out of context. It's not how the Bible works and I've written down your thoughts pull my Bible out to read it first Thessalonians, five I think I misspelled this alone Ian's but that's okay put it on through 22 let me flip around here and get my Bible. Pastor Newms: [45:38] I can grab it for you first of the sidonians five. Pastor Bill: [45:43] Like to read out loud. Pastor Newms: [45:44] It's fine but that's the middle you picked a verse that starts with but are you sure. Pastor Bill: [45:50] Did I was just like I pulled it up for myself 181. Pastor Newms: [45:59] Can't start with a but homie. Pastor Bill: [46:03] Okay so we'll start in 20, don't despise prophecies but test all things hold on to what is good stay away from every kind of evil okay I remember why I did that so, there are people that say you know the Bible is the greatest Authority its authority over everything and you have to do what it says and then other people who use the exact same argument, to say oh well II can't use the whole Bible I can't trust the Bible and what it tells me to do as an authority because there are certain scriptures that don't I don't agree with morally like I don't agree with owning slaves, and God clearly tells the Israelites how to own slaves I don't agree with you know whatever pick your topic and there's probably somebody that doesn't agree with it you know what it says in the Bible about it, um and this verse basically says. [47:07] If it's good then then use it and if it's if it's not then don't it's not like, it's not like because you like Genesis 1:1 that you have to like Revelations 20 verse 1 you know what I mean like take hold of the good reject the bad, and and and move on with the you know the spirit and the the teachings of the Bible, and obviously there's only the one issue that you know, we had to breed Manifesto believe is the the Salvation issue the heart issue that you have to agree on to be a Christian and that's the you know the the Life of Christ and the death and the resurrection. [47:50] Um that's basically the definition of being a Christian and says on Twitch says do not make an idol of the Bible, absolutely do not make an idol of the Bible which can happen and has happened and is currently something that's happening, in the at least in the u.s. church in circles certain circles of the u.s. church that that this has been elevated to more than a message and into being, a holy Relic in an unto itself and there's nothing holy, about words on a page there's just not what's holy is the message behind the words, and and that message is what's written in our heart when we receive the Holy Spirit that's the part that's holy is the Holy Spirit, um not not a collection of words on paper. Pastor Newms: [48:56] So this is where we differ slightly in that. I've actually put agree on this one but only agree in part, because the verbage is terrible because the word must does not mean what. You know and so I actually pulled second Timothy 3:16 all scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching rebuking correcting and training in righteousness and. I think that one of the reasons why this is such an important, aspect is because whereas we don't disagree. We do not wholly agree and this is something that happens often with us because, semantics are very important to people who are not neurotypical and let's be honest how many people out there actually are and not just liars anyway. Pastor Bill: [50:06] There are so few neurotypicals left that you can't even call it typical anymore. Pastor Newms: [50:12] Anyway one of the things that, that is so important you know scripture is inspired by God and of course we've talked about what that inspired means it doesn't mean written by it means inspired, and it's possible its profitable for teaching rebuking correcting and training in righteousness, which is also what's important it is a. Pastor Bill: [50:46] Did you see that you've chosen a verse that is is only half a sentence. Pastor Newms: [50:51] It ends in a coma yeah. Pastor Bill: [50:53] 3:17 is the rest of the sentence so that the man of God maybe completely equipped completely equipped for every good work. Pastor Newms: [51:03] Right and that's that's actually I quit it righteousness because, that sums it up for me is it's specifically a religious, text it is not dictating how we should exist as a culture it's not, saying how we should exist politically it's not saying how we should exist in all of these other manners it's saying how we should exist, as a man of God in righteousness it's used. Pastor Bill: [51:34] Not talking about how people who aren't Believers should live, you can't stand on a street corner and say. I recognize that you're not a believer in Christ but you have to do what the Bible says that's not what the Bible is for. And on top of what you're saying. In 316 teaching rebuking correcting and training these are all things you have to submit to they don't inherently have authority over you you have to submit to them. Which is makestar to point of views cut you kind of marries are two point of view. Pastor Newms: [52:17] Yeah it definitely that's why I say that it's our differences are nuanced because 99% of the time our differences are nuanced usually just because one of us is more militant about a specific thing because of upbringing. Pastor Bill: [52:31] True it's so true. Pastor Newms: [52:32] You're more militant about this because of upbringing I'm more like, I'll hit you if you disagree with me that's fine all right 31, let's go for more for more we might actually finish in an hour. Pastor Bill: [52:53] Religious belief says disagrees with you I don't know what about you know the you can just lean over and ask him, religious belief, is a matter of personal opinion it is not about objective truth. [53:14] We've talked about it before there is only one objective truth. From the standpoint of Christianity I wholeheartedly believe there is only the one objective truth and everything else is left to opinion. Romans 10:9 I put it in the chat already, if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved. [53:44] As a Christian I believe that is the only one objective truth everything else is opinion everything else, your definition of sin my definition of sin your definition of what you can either can't eat or their definition of what you can or can't do or that person's definition for you can or can't sleep well, who you can date who you can't date how you can do your hair can you get those implants can you get that chopped off can you, dress up and dragon and do a show that's all opinion it's all. All of the religious to stuff that gets spewed from podiums and platforms All Over America and all over the world week in and week out that goes beyond. This confession that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. Everything beyond that is opinion. [54:49] Now I can't speak for Hindus I can't speak for Muslims I can't speak for Sheiks I can't speak for zoroastrians, because I'm not one of those I can speak for myself I can speak for Christianity and I can speak for the church because I'm a member of all of these things. And from that point is you there's only that one objective truth. And I believe that Jesus is the way to the father but I also think there's a lot of ways to find Jesus all right you tired. Pastor Newms: [55:25] So I wrote John 14:16 it was a perfect segue so thank you for just going ahead and throwing that out there and Jesus told him I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me, it's the same there's only the confession and Jesus is the way as you mentioned. [55:45] You know there's other things but what I think is the biggest thing on here and you touched on it but didn't specifically say it so again this is one of those where, it's not on us to judge others belief systems and less they are harming themselves or others the question of, is one that is worded causes issues in my head, in my mind not my head because my head doesn't actually anyway I believe Christianity is the only way and Jesus is the truth but we cannot assault others, because of this belief and, you know you touched on it by saying I can't speak for all these other parties I can't you know but specifically there is no reason, we should be physically or verbally assaulting others, in that and I'm not saying anyone preaching is assaulting someone else that's not what I'm saying I know there's people who have said that not what I'm saying but if you're on a bus screaming at someone to go back to their own country or, that you don't like them because they are, which somehow this has become a thing again somehow in this quote-unquote Christian Nation we're back to bashing, Jews which makes no logical sense to me in any way shape form or idea on how that's possible but. Pastor Bill: [57:14] I checked Jesus wasn't you. Pastor Newms: [57:16] Yeah, but you've got these people that are that are saying all these vile things and getting banned for Twitter for it shout out to you out there you know who I'm talking about but. Doing that kind of stuff in the name of Jesus is not correct and we cannot. Do that one it's the opposite of Christianity Jesus was all about love and all about you know spreading, the message of love and spreading his message because God is love and he is got you know that whole thing healing people that didn't deserve it, you know forgiving the people who literally killed him let's not talk a bunch of. Let's not let's not, don't verbally assault people or physically assault people let's just go back to that I got on a soapbox and almost went too far just just. Pastor Bill: [58:28] Raymond you're ver Berea. Pastor Newms: [58:31] Just. Pastor Bill: [58:33] Stop doing it. Pastor Newms: [58:34] Don't do that y'all like don't be. Pastor Bill: [58:36] Those of you who don't know verb area is a combination of the words verbal and diarrhea that ver Berea eating all over people gross. Pastor Newms: [58:45] Number 32. Pastor Bill: [58:48] 32 this one's fun the Bible is the highest Authority for what I believe. [58:57] Thirty-eight percent of people wouldn't understand Peter his lifestyle and his choices 24% of people. Probably still wouldn't understand Peter 15% of people, they'd hang out with Peter and 23% of people would definitely be a Peter's homeboy, the Bible is a record of things that the Holy Spirit reveal to people in the past, the Holy Spirit can reveal things to you now therefore the holy spirit is the highest Authority, and when we got to the question of can the Holy Spirit tell me something did you something the Bible strictly forbids well yes, the by the Holy Spirit can tell you to do something that the Bible strictly forbids but it won't tell you to do something that violates the message and the spirit behind, what the Bible says right that's what we agreed upon. Pastor Newms: [59:56] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [59:58] Who know the Bible itself is not the highest Authority the holy spirit is, and if you're a Catholic then you believe that the pope is the highest Authority not the Bible and so it's it's this whole thing you know. I just I can't agree with this statement or the fact that it cuts the Holy Spirit out completely and once again makes more of an idol out of the Bible and less of an actual. Tool that it was intended to be limit makes it more of a logbook and less of a love letter. Pastor Newms: [1:00:36] So I wrote John 16:13 which is when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you in all Truth for he will not speak on his own but he will speak whatever he hears he will also declare to you what is to come so, very close to what you're saying I did put some would agree because I have for so long lived, the thought process in the lifestyle of this Spirit and the message behind the Bible not necessarily the verbatim but so for me it's like, somewhat I know what you mean and I disagree with what you said because I know what you meant by the question but I agree with that. Pastor Bill: [1:01:16] I know what they meant when they said the statement but I don't agree with what they mean. Pastor Newms: [1:01:21] Right and that's that's that whole thing where I agree with the, if I was making it or if you were making it because we both see it through that lens of the Holy Spirit guides, even our understanding of scriptures on a daily basis that's why that's why the that's why the Bible is called a living book it's not because, it's alive, it's because with the Holy Spirit you are shown things different every time you read it every time we look at it every time we touch it every time we you feel something different because of that relationship between the Holy Spirit who's the one who breathed it out two people he knows what it actually meant not what the person who wrote it then the person who translated it, the person who translated it who then translated it to give it to you meant by it looking at you, King James trying to change scriptures just leave that part out it's fine but it's in it's in the original and we don't need it in the remake. Pastor Bill: [1:02:38] Our did that are are we next has no need for. [1:02:51] All right 33. It is very important for me personally to encourage non-christians to trust Jesus Christ as their savior or we can reread it the way they meant it, it is very important for me to personally encouraged, encouraging quotations non-christians to trust in quotations Jesus Christ as their savior in quotations, so they mean standing on a street corner and yelling obscenities at centers, to try to get them to realize how pitiful they are and and come to repentance or like the guy who dressed up like the Grim Reaper and stood across the street from a high school as they were letting out, with a sign that talked about that will it quoted the scripture from Revelations of listing all the different types of people that are going to go to hell. [1:03:49] I agree it's it's it's important for me it's important for Christians to encourage non-christians to trust Jesus Christ I disagree on, how people have gone about achieving that endeavor. I believe it's all about relationship I believe what Jesus told us to do go out and make disciples, I believe it's about that it's not about standing on a street corner and and doing whatever, 32% of people strongly agree with the statement 24% somewhat agree 17% somewhat disagree and 27 percent strongly disagree and no one wasn't sure. Pastor Newms: [1:04:42] Yeah so for me, I put agree because I took the spirit of the question not the. How I take the question not how they possibly asked it but I put, um I'll be honest these last three I didn't put a scripture down because we've talked about them so much that I was like, just just go listen to other stuff like we've covered this so many times but I put the same thing that you put which is to make disciples the point isn't just, get people to trust Jesus because here's the problem trust in Jesus is not part of the verse that you quoted earlier. Trust isn't there you can trust that Jesus existed you can trust that Jesus came and died you can trust but if you do not believe and you do not put your faith in, you're not you're missing it trust and faith are two completely different things, again English is a terrible language so the questions hard but. [1:06:01] As a Christian I believe we should be spreading Christianity to make disciples as we were commanded, but we should do so through relationships and such and not just surround ourselves with people who, I agree with us 24/7 like I mean we've already talked about it but, right there he's right there and we don't agree on heart you know on a lot of stuff but let's be honest um, says who's in the same office as me for those of you out there who do not realize that is not a Christian, but knows more about the Bible than lots of people who are and humorously, has sat and fellowships with us in the past and people didn't realize he wasn't because he's respectful of other people and we're respectful of him and. [1:07:03] You know but that doesn't mean I'm going to sit there and shove it down his throat 24/7 because we're in the same room, did I hide everything Christian in my room when he moved in no of course not but, he wouldn't ask me to either so there's that you know mutual respect aspect that we have to have as a culture we have to quit yeah he knew he was moving in with a pastor he knew what was going on um. [1:07:33] We have to have that mutual respect as we're moving through it we shouldn't be, screaming at people that goes back to the what I was saying above about the verbally assaulting people don't do it just don't do it do it out of love, in a loving manner like I mean. Pastor Bill: [1:07:53] How do you verbally assault someone. Pastor Newms: [1:07:54] No no no I'm not saying don't Street preach you can Street preach in a loving manner. You can pull pit preach in a loving manner you can do all of those things in a loving manner, and I don't mean just I love him so I have to tell him no sit down you've missed the point please stop I mean, you can do it and show love you don't have to just spew hate. Pastor Bill: [1:08:26] Jesus loved Sinners and ate with them and drank with the to the point that the religious people were a little concerned that perhaps he was a sinner and a drunkard. Pastor Newms: [1:08:42] My Pastor Bill: [1:08:43] And possibly demon-possessed and he's like I'm just loving people. Pastor Newms: [1:08:49] My favorite is I'm I am someone who has skirted around the outsides of the religious circles for many many years I know this comes as a shock anyone out there who knows me but, so often I end up in places where people are screaming at everyone that's coming out or going into somewhere and it's always so, funny because there's always the person I'm with who's like do not do it don't go talk to that person it's not going to end well, they hit him don't go talk to him and every now and then if I'm by myself I get to and it's always funny because they're like, you're this and you're that you're like you don't know me first off homie second off, I'm dressing up in a cut my favorite my favorite time this ever happened was at Comic-Con someone yelling that everyone going into Comic Con was a sinner, and it was like dude we read comic books what do you think is happening in that convention center right now like this is not. Pastor Bill: [1:09:52] Nerdy stuff just nerdy stuff that's all it's gonna. Pastor Newms: [1:09:55] This is not a Roman Coliseum we're not killing people in their sacrificing them bathing in their blood and having orgies we're going to. Pastor Bill: [1:10:03] Is not a Roman orgy that's not what's going on. Pastor Newms: [1:10:04] Wrong type of Coliseum homie that was something that always that's the one that really made me go oh we got some stuff messed up, we're mess where we have messed up as a culture if this is what people think anyway. Pastor Bill: [1:10:31] 34 Pastor Newms: [1:10:32] 34 Pastor Bill: [1:10:35] Jesus Christ death on the cross is the only sacrifice that could remove the penalty of my sin, um forty-two percent strongly agree 22% somewhat agree 15% somewhat disagree and 21 percent strongly disagree I don't even know where to start with this, there's, okay if you want to know my opinion on this statement there's about three hundred ninety six episodes before this one that you can go listen to, it comes up pretty often so I'll just let you go listen to those again if you really want to know. Cuz man I feel like I've been beating my head on this topic, over and over and over and over and over again we're asking the wrong questions when it comes to sin we just really are we we just really are, don't understand it as a culture we don't understand it as a religion we don't understand what we're saying we're like children, running around playing game a cup game made up games, that don't make any sense to reality when it comes to the definitions of sin and and how we catalog it how we categorize and how we hold people to it and you, I can't even I can't even with this statement. Pastor Newms: [1:11:58] And we've talked about it even above a couple of times you know around this this manner of. Jesus death and sacrifice. It was about bringing us to the father nothing more nothing less and. You know there's so much connotation in so much of these questions that is just like you said I didn't put a verse down because again this one is like come on now like yes. What you mean and what you saying are two different things, I put agree because the only way to the Father which is what you're talking about but you're saying it in such an archaic and incorrect way, 35 last one here we go. Pastor Bill: [1:12:53] Only those who trust in Jesus Christ alone as their savior receive God's free gift of Eternal salvation so they're getting a little closer on their wording there, trust in Jesus Christ alone as their savior so that that pretty well Meats, that definition of confess Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart if you understand christianese, if you don't that was just gibberish, um anyway receive God's free gift of Eternal salvation I still have issue with this free gift statement in today's culture. Because it's a little confusing, it seems because to say it's a free gift that you have to then do something to get today's culture doesn't understand that but it's kind of like you know if someone's going to give you a Christmas present. You don't get the gift unless you reach out and take it like that's the belief is taking it that's that's. Pastor Newms: [1:14:03] You don't open the box it's just a box. Pastor Bill: [1:14:06] Yeah it Schroeder Schrodinger's Schrodinger's Christmas present. Pastor Newms: [1:14:08] There's a short in Yours Gift yeah. Pastor Bill: [1:14:10] Yeah sure did yours gift if you don't if you never open the box if you don't believe enough to open the box you'll never have the present salvations like that you know it's there for you all you have to do is believe in enough to open the box, if there it's yours you can have it it at all the issues have already been dealt with all the issues that. All that same issue stuff that people talk about that was dealt with, it's it's over that's not what's keeping you down and away from God anymore. That literally there was a veil put between man and God by Adam's sin and that sin nature was passed down that was dealt with. The only thing keeping you away from God now is belief and Trust. [1:15:16] To do to do to do beating a dead horse. [1:15:26] Damn just this I I hope they never come out with this again this was this was this was rough. Pastor Newms: [1:15:35] They will. Pastor Bill: [1:15:37] They proud they probably will I mean unless unless unless the Lord comes back and we have the whole Rapture thing that, most people don't even believe in anymore. Pastor Newms: [1:15:48] The Lord tarries. Pastor Bill: [1:15:50] Unless Lord terrorist well that was one of the thing the early church did is they would they would they would tack that onto almost everything they said I'll see you next Tuesday if the Lord tarries. Pastor Newms: [1:16:01] Well and and if I I used to when I was younger. And then I realized someone told me that it makes them feel terrified for my mental health and existence every time I would say see you next time unless one of us dies. Pastor Bill: [1:16:22] Oh man. Pastor Newms: [1:16:23] It was not a proper way to say goodbye to people so. Pastor Bill: [1:16:28] In the next 24 hours it may be the last yeah. Pastor Newms: [1:16:32] See you later unless you hit by a bus. Pastor Bill: [1:16:34] Read where was that. Pastor Newms: [1:16:35] People weren't comfortable with that so I stopped it in the business realm and then it just faded out for the rest of my life too but I really I used to be like I'll see you tomorrow unless one of us dies. Pastor Bill: [1:16:47] What was that. Pastor Newms: [1:16:48] You can't you can't you got to stop saying that you're scaring. Pastor Bill: [1:16:51] Say that to people. Pastor Newms: [1:16:53] They don't know whether you're going to kill them or yourself they're confused they're not happy with that phrasing change it so I did I just don't say. Pastor Bill: [1:17:00] You're not creating a safe space. Pastor Newms: [1:17:04] I think it every time I say goodbye to someone just in case like see you next time so if I ever tell you if I ever say to you see you next time talk to you later just know in my head I added unless you die. Pastor Bill: [1:17:19] Let you die sucker. Pastor Newms: [1:17:23] And on that note how does Pastor Bill end every podcast. Pastor Bill: [1:17:32] Oh man. Pastor Newms: [1:17:33] Just because I don't think Pastor Bill even knew that that was something I used to do I think that was gone out of my vocabulary before I met him, that was like a high school thing. Pastor Bill: [1:17:46] Only imagine you calling youth pastors to do hbf and you're like I'll talk to you next Tuesday unless we die first click. 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Pastor Newms: [1:19:26] That was how this all started in I miss eating. Pastor Bill: [1:19:30] Man you know life changed, all right so if you know someone that you think this podcast could help for it to them or if you you know this video would help for it to them invite them to come and be a part of the experience we are on our 397 episode, it's more like 406 because we had some episodes that were multi partners that came out in the same week on East your way back, which means we're coming up on season four we are three more four, three three more episodes for more episodes before season 4 episode 1. Pastor Newms: [1:20:08] 89 and then eight nine. Pastor Bill: [1:20:11] Nine and zero zero. Pastor Newms: [1:20:14] We do the hundred. Pastor Bill: [1:20:16] Yeah we do the hundred season 3 episode. Will the season 3 episode 100 and then we'll do season 4 episode 1 so that's coming up later this year so that's exciting so be looking forward to that, we love you guys, I know I say it at the end of every episode and I just want to slow down and take a moment to let that sink in that it's not just a scripted exit I literally believe, that this should be faith hope and more importantly the greatest of all is love this is an act of love this is a labor of love. All of this is about love nothing you guys and I hope you do have a great. And that's where pastor newms says don't die out there. Pastor Newms: [1:21:14] Be safe out there everybody because the next thing he says is. Pastor Bill: [1:21:19] Because now we know what he actually means. Pastor Newms: [1:21:21] Right you do you see why I have to say it every time now because it stresses me out it stresses me out that you say until next time and in my brain I'm like they might die. Pastor Bill: [1:21:32] Hey Mike. Pastor Newms: [1:21:33] That's why I say be safe. Pastor Bill: [1:21:36] And I don't think we need a 30-second buffer for Choice do we. Pastor Newms: [1:21:39] No we're going straight to Twitch we need no buffer but we still have to sing the song no we can't not sing the song cuz I can't if I end the episode without singing. Pastor Bill: [1:21:48] Because of your because you're OCD. Pastor Newms: [1:21:50] I'll be singing the song until next week when we do this so no you have to do it now. Pastor Bill: [1:21:57] All right 30 second buffer. Pastor Newms: [1:22:00] 30 second buffer. Pastor Bill: [1:22:02] 30-second of where has it been 30 seconds yet. Pastor Newms: [1:22:05] No not how time works. Pastor Bill: [1:22:06] So how time works 30 seconds after 30 second buffer 30 second buffer all right that's good enough. Pastor Newms: [1:22:14] All right I'll press the buttons but whatever crap ROM lover.

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S3Ep99 - The Church Is Suppose To Do What? Pastor Newms: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 98 of the brand Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor what we're 99.  [0:25] No or so I've read I've titled everything in the entire system row.  Pastor Bill: [0:31] Well did we not nobody typed in the hello and welcome on the 23rd did we not nobody typed in the 13th we did episode 97 that's why my number was off so it's yeah it's 99.  Pastor Newms: [0:43] Okay yeah yeah we didn't we didn't type it yeah yeah that would make sense I was like wait a second.  Pastor Bill: [0:51] I got you I got you so next season 3 episode 100 and then the week after that will be season 4 episode 1.  Pastor Newms: [1:00] Which episode 300 unless something is different that I don't know of it is back to you being big face.  Pastor Bill: [1:09] It is next week is back to being big face.  Pastor Newms: [1:11] Yeah yeah now are you prepared for being back to big face yet.  Pastor Bill: [1:19] My ever prepared for anything ever.  Pastor Newms: [1:21] Um no I'm turning you down a bunch tonight just so you know you were super loud when we got started.  Pastor Bill: [1:28] Last week everybody was like you're so far away from the mic so this week I took time to make sure I was like right up in the mic and ready to go.  Pastor Newms: [1:36] Yeah you're redlining a smidge I've turned you down though so I hope it is more even now if you could talk.  Pastor Bill: [1:43] Image of words.  Pastor Newms: [1:45] Yes there we go okay now you're just barely tapping read every now and then.  Pastor Bill: [1:49] Okay good I don't want to like break speakers and make people go just you're so loud I'm not going to listen to what they have to say.  Pastor Newms: [1:57] Well I mean I'm a pretty loud person naturally and so a lot of people don't listen to what I have to say because of that oh interesting so one of my girls did bring me a sneak but I'm actually using, Zaid he's sneak cup and so she has a bunch of festive stickers that I don't, that I don't have on my sneak cups so just kind of as it why are you holding a microphone.  Pastor Bill: [2:26] That brain on switch which is my wife says his beard hasn't grown back in enough to be big fish.  Pastor Newms: [2:33] Why are you holding a microphone while you're looking at a microphone.  Pastor Bill: [2:39] I don't know it was on my desk all kinds of things will wind up on my anything that breaks in the house winds up on my desk to be fixed this is one of the things I fixed, I had to heat up this top Shield broke off and the heat up the shield with a lighter, until it was too hot to touch and used my shirt to press it down into the plastic lining here to melt it back into place, which upon inspection was how they attached it to begin with in the first place, no glue they literally just heated up the metal was like.  Pastor Newms: [3:22] You prefer in saying his beard doesn't grow my beard is substantially less than what it was two weeks ago because I got a major trim, in order to be where I was last Sunday which was, doing a doing a I hate that conducting facilitating, a wedding so that's how my week was has like half my week was spent out in Texas, facilitating a wedding and being busy doing that and thoroughly enjoying it but.  Pastor Bill: [4:09] Look I've got a Halo.  [4:17] What is personal it of that brain on switch to says CurseLit.  Pastor Newms: [4:21] It's a it's a it's an emoji that is a little fire it's a little pretty.  Pastor Bill: [4:29] Oh okay it's one of those emojis.  Pastor Newms: [4:31] Yeah it's at which emoji yeah.  Pastor Bill: [4:35] Earlier real dark Grayson said pastor 104 hype Pastor 104 High.  Pastor Newms: [4:40] It's a little red it's a little red thing holding a sign that says hype and before that zaidi's was I believe those are robot faces twitch has a bunch of emojis that.  Pastor Bill: [4:53] Little semicolon close paren.  Pastor Newms: [4:57] It appears to be a robot face.  Pastor Bill: [5:04] Once again this court is not pick up the Emojis from twitch and I'm left is looking at weird. Discord so yeah it is what it is.  [5:23] What happens when I throw an emoji and Discord ship.  Pastor Newms: [5:26] Or like this, and and just really just you know make it to where you have no idea.  Pastor Bill: [5:47] What does that look like in twitch.  Pastor Newms: [5:48] That appears to be a pain yeah.  Pastor Bill: [5:52] So twitch pics Discord is just a Discord doesn't speak to it.  Pastor Newms: [5:56] Well I think it's actually completely different because to be to referral the.  Pastor Bill: [6:03] Wow.  Pastor Newms: [6:14] And just so you know the thing that brings did it's an octopus doing this.  Pastor Bill: [6:20] Okay squid squid squid squid squid squid.  Pastor Newms: [6:22] Okay it's a squid doing this if it.  Pastor Bill: [6:25] Squid 1 or 2 Squid 3 Squid 4.  Pastor Newms: [6:27] Yeah it's doing this with its tentacles as individual Emojis all right, which the funny thing that one did not get picked up it just says Discord Bill Shea Circle so.  [6:59] Got it so that's how my week went was lots of driving lots of being places and then a bunch of talking.  Pastor Bill: [7:13] Shu Pei when you pick the panorama.  [7:19] The driving is one of the prices you pay when you pick the Panorama you chose to move to Tennessee and so now.  Pastor Newms: [7:27] But what's Panorama have to do with it that's the type of photo.  Pastor Bill: [7:32] Your view have a panoramic chose the it's a line from a song.  Pastor Newms: [7:41] I don't get it but that's cool like okay I get to look at mountains you don't I mean so I guess I get what that means like since my view.  Pastor Bill: [7:50] I am a mess.  [7:55] I just got to look in the mirror be like hello mountain man.  Pastor Newms: [7:58] You're a pile of something.  Pastor Bill: [8:01] Hey let's also pile.  Pastor Newms: [8:03] It's all a mountain is a pile of something.  Pastor Bill: [8:06] Know what kind of rocks in the mountain are not the same thing.  Pastor Newms: [8:10] Once just older.  Pastor Bill: [8:16] So my week was all right I guess I've officially decided that those people that I got a second interview with have ghosts.  Pastor Newms: [8:23] Ah  Pastor Bill: [8:24] That stinks I got a puppy this week so that's all.  Pastor Newms: [8:27] Yes you did.  Pastor Bill: [8:31] Pit lab named granola, who has taken to house training housebreaking very well surprisingly well, I got to see you this week hang out with you at a park for about an hour that was fun.  Pastor Newms: [8:50] Yep we got it we got a little bit of hanging out time.  Pastor Bill: [8:57] Miranda went to her first public school dance on Friday.  Pastor Newms: [9:02] Gross.  Pastor Bill: [9:05] Had a good time hanging out with her friends it was like a rave type theme with black lights glow sticks and she came back with a bunch of pictures and videos and stuff.  Pastor Newms: [9:17] Yeah see Grayson agrees with me.  Pastor Bill: [9:20] Racist.  Pastor Newms: [9:21] And I don't say that, you know let's be clear it's not the public school dance and it's not the Miranda dancing neither of those two things are gross it's the.  Pastor Bill: [9:33] Miranda.  Pastor Newms: [9:35] Going to a dance that is gross just overall so let's be clear on what I mean I am not hating on public school and I'm not hating on a child I am hating on, the the high school dance aspect of high school dance. Be coming from someone who never had to go to a high school dance because I went to a school that thought that if you danced you would probably end up burning in Hell quite quickly afterwards and so our homecoming it was literally in the middle of a basketball game and you just, you had the court and that the court walked away that was homecoming yay. So another thing cuz I just saw it on camera one of the things that did happen at the wedding is I shattered a tooth that was fun.  Pastor Bill: [10:44] You saw your tooth on camera is that what you're saying.  Pastor Newms: [10:46] Yeah I saw the whole on the additional the new hole in my face and it made me go oh yeah I broke a tooth which seems to happen now every time I go somewhere, like the last time I was in Texas I broke a tooth and so I'm like. You know well that's a thing.  Pastor Bill: [11:09] I guess I should just stop going places.  Pastor Newms: [11:11] Yeah I don't think that's the actual answer I think it's more I should probably get my teeth fixed but debt is expensive.  Pastor Bill: [11:22] Boomstick rooms.  Pastor Newms: [11:23] So says the guy who got all his teeth pulled out which is a form of fixing.  Pastor Bill: [11:32] For her I guess.  Pastor Newms: [11:33] So that that's that's how the weeks went.  Pastor Bill: [11:39] Cool it's time for getting to know the pastor's then it's your week to pull a car.  Pastor Newms: [11:43] Do you have any other thing you want to talk about before I before I read said card anything. I really am super tired for no good reason I had plenty of sleep last night because you know time change so we got a full extra hour, if you want a contest in which your prize was to select any three guests to appear on a popular late night talk show which three people would you choose. That's a weird contest yeah.  Pastor Bill: [12:22] I won a contest to choose three other people to go onto a talk show. For the participation of seeing those three people go on the talk show.  Pastor Newms: [12:55] What would you absolutely have to see for your trip to be compete complete so if you want an African safari what do you want to see on said African safari. Do do do do do do for me so I've kind of been an African safari but not really on an African safari.  Pastor Bill: [13:22] Water that's in Africa.  Pastor Newms: [13:23] No I did nope I did not go to Botswana you were wrong I went to South Africa.  Pastor Bill: [13:27] Where do you stay when it was here in South Africa.  Pastor Newms: [13:32] Did not go to boss did not go on the Botswana trip but the South Africa trip you we stayed on a, Safari it's a wildlife preserve that is now owned by the franzen's I believe and they they've made it into a school.  Pastor Bill: [13:54] About the franzen's have a school in Africa.  Pastor Newms: [13:57] And Zaydie correct me if I'm wrong if that's a different place but I'm 99% sure, if you're saying Franzen then I probably have the right people but I was actually looking at pictures of it earlier pictures from their school and they have a baby Rescue Center, which would be the only things they di would focus on that's that's a joke for all of you who don't know out there's 80 actually works with babies and loves babies more than any other form of human, but so they had a bunch of, you know animals and you know things on the Wildlife Preserve, and I don't like ostriches and I don't like emus you know rhinos are cool lions are cool but I've seen them, I've eaten zebra I've eaten giraffe so I don't really care to see those, zadie says I am an emu and they have much more hair than me so no I'm not.  Pastor Bill: [15:15] How are you an emu.  Pastor Newms: [15:16] I don't know I must get a I must aggressively pack while I flap my wings and run it people maybe which does seem like something I could possibly do let's be honest, so I don't really have anything I would like to see on an African safari because there's not anything that's really you know, I've been to some cool Safari zoos I've been to some cool you know there's some good zoos that I've been to that I've been able to see.  [15:54] We're not going to talk about that we're not even going to read that comment we're going to giggle and no one will know why so.  Pastor Bill: [16:04] Most of them read the.  Pastor Newms: [16:06] Yeah unless you're into which currently live the but. Yes I don't have anything you don't have anything okay well we have to have another card if you can't.  Pastor Bill: [16:24] Spell Geographic and I've seen the those Earth shows on TV I've seen enough of Africa as far as Safari wise goes.  Pastor Newms: [16:33] Here's a good one if everyone we're required. To wear a hat at all times what sort of hat would you wear.  [16:58] Now so I'm going to argue that this question is semi invalid because if I'm required to wear a hat at all times, I'm going to constantly be changing my hat I currently own like four different styles is like 12 hats zaidi says she would always wear a beanie which is not surprising I love beanies I love fedoras I own a cowboy hat I don't wear it very often, I love fitted ball caps I hate trucker hats.  Pastor Bill: [17:44] That's only that's only wearable when it's like cold outside because it holds in so much heat, you know but I mean I've also got a trucker hat I've got a fitted hat I've got one of those XE cab driver hats I've got a bowler hat I've got a fedora. My favorite is definitely the top hat but it's too hot.  Pastor Newms: [18:16] Right but that's your favorite. Overall which it's a steampunk hat so technically it could have a small air conditioner built into it if it was a required thing that all people had to wear hats hats would have air conditioners I think, yeah. Oh here we go don't do it yes when did you add the webbing.  Pastor Bill: [18:48] For Halloween this year.  Pastor Newms: [18:49] I like it I like the webbing I thought your goggles were more steampunk than they were then they look there I thought they were steampunk not black.  Pastor Bill: [19:01] No they're not bronze color.  Pastor Newms: [19:03] I thought they were bronze to match the little on the side of it.  Pastor Bill: [19:08] No even though it is new new ish mean that came with the set up instead of.  Pastor Newms: [19:15] Mmm okay well it shows how much I know which is none.  Pastor Bill: [19:21] Well you've been living in Tennessee for ever at this point it feels like.  Pastor Newms: [19:27] It's been just like two years three years almost.  Pastor Bill: [19:33] That's what I said forever.  Pastor Newms: [19:35] That's not forever you are exaggerating.  Pastor Bill: [19:44] I said feel there's no time there's no exaggeration when you say feel it's just you're expressing how you feel.  Pastor Newms: [19:52] That's that's valid all right, so I think we're warmed up yes Biggs my favorite hat is my Fedora I need a new one that Fedora is actually, it is that it is at its end it has it has it actually irritated me during the wedding and, Serafina ended up wearing it for a large part of the day because it has gotten smooshy to a couple times and the fabric is not, taught anymore and it's just it feels wrong oh my head because of age but yes I love fedoras.  Pastor Bill: [20:37] The age of the hat or the age of the wearer.  Pastor Newms: [20:39] 30 second buffer 30 second buffer 32nd and for those of you who don't get that joke we actually do that after we cut off, the podcast we do a 30 second buffer for our live people for those of, I haven't made that joke in a while so in case you're a new listener that's how we sign off for this thing and so, that's my cue that I don't like what Pastor Bill saying and I'm leaving.  Pastor Bill: [21:12] That's what he does when he doesn't like what I say.  Pastor Newms: [21:14] I'm out. So tonight tonight we are talking.  Pastor Bill: [21:27] Nah.  Pastor Newms: [21:30] I titled tonight, the church is supposed to do what and for some reason on Twitch I put two question marks I don't think I did that everywhere but on Twitch I I put two question marks so obviously I was very.  Pastor Bill: [21:45] Perch cats which got a little something extra special.  Pastor Newms: [21:49] I think when I deleted the one row to put in the new row that I copied from you know I, didn't delete the question mark So it got to where everyone got to and I don't know it yet one of the other, so you know we've been on this six week Journey quote unquote.  Pastor Bill: [22:15] The six big Journey that we took the three week Hiatus from to do a.  Pastor Newms: [22:19] Yeah that we've taken other breaks from so it's really been you know which is really funny because so here's the thing like I decided to do the six-week study on discipleship because we were doing the kingdom disciples, study book for my family bible study that we do with my extended family every Saturday, it's always like oh since I'm being the big face will do this at the same time and, didn't like a week got missed in another week got missed and then a week got missed here that didn't get missed there and then a week got missed here and then we took a three week break but then because of that the same time so actually Saturday this past week was actually our last session here too so for both the six-week Bible study was really like 12.  Pastor Bill: [23:11] In both places for different.  Pastor Newms: [23:13] Both places for completely different reasons but started, ended at the same time which is really really weird and just so everyone knows our next.  Pastor Bill: [23:26] Or is it Providence.  Pastor Newms: [23:29] What show was I watching what show is that what was I watching or reading where they were talking about the fact that I don't believe in coincidences, remember, I was watching something and they were like there is no such thing as coincidence probably but I remember what I was watching so I was trying to quote something and now I don't remember what it was and I don't think it was, the show Lucifer from DC vertigo but, it might have been the Netflix show I was watching that with our friend says this last week anyway so the last part of our discipleship, talk is the church's role in discipleship last week well two weeks ago now we talked about the family's role, in discipleship and how as a family you know we should be discipling and this one is on the church's role and so.  [24:35] You know there, are so many things you can look at when you're looking at the church or when you say things like the church's role you know what we should do with the church and we discussed this a lot several weeks ago, on our state of Theology of where the church is and where the church should be in certain facets and this is a you know something we talked about a lot and in our current climate of, the world we live in it is something being talked about, a lot as well is the perception of the church and the way church is done and lots of things like that, and it's so we're going to kind of tonight looking at as far as from A discipleship standpoint what should the church be doing which, the funny thing is is the church should be creating disciples it's the thing as a Capital C church as followers of Christ it's, one of the things that we are commanded to do one of the only things that Jesus actually like States go do this no qualms no, qualifiers note you know Go Make Disciples yeah like it's one of the things that the direct you know. Action that he told us to go do Go Make Disciples and so.  Pastor Bill: [26:03] And when we say when we say the church we don't mean. The organizations and institutions that call themselves churches we mean the people that literally make up the church.  Pastor Newms: [26:19] The church yeah exactly yeah and and there is a distinction in that.  Pastor Bill: [26:26] About the inclusion houses job to make disciples as an organization, my job and news is job and everybody that's watching this or listening to this as you know participants in what the occasion has to do, it sold our jobs have you met.  Pastor Newms: [26:42] Right.  Pastor Bill: [26:43] Type of because we are the church.  Pastor Newms: [26:48] And one of the big things, and it was interesting one of the one of the things that you know dr. Evans said in this study is if you're not making disciples if you're not working towards that as a person you're not, in church you're just, I'm a mess it up you're just Gathering you're not you're not there for the right reasons which is to be discipled to then disciple you know the, the whole thing about the lecture style that most modern churches have gone to does not lend itself to, making disciples in a certain way some people, that is how they learn it is how they grow it is how they they can, be discipled in that way for the majority of humans a lecture series is not, how they're really going to click on it and the bigger issue in that is to become a disciple is not, to listen and understand it's too then act on it.  Pastor Bill: [28:10] This is why we have so many people out in the world who have college degrees, and figure out simplest instructions it's because college is all lecture style and they just want a piece of paper that it actually will learn any, because that's not how everybody learns only a small percentage of people learn in that environment.  Pastor Newms: [28:32] Yeah most people are Hands-On and so when we, like that's where that's where for me for me actually the lectures work to a certain degree but, the reason they work is I don't trust anyone I don't trust myself I don't trust what I think I don't trust what other people think I trust no one so when I'm listening to a lecture I'm constantly going and thinking on it and thinking of the things I've learned in the past and thinking of the things I've and and, that is the ADHD superpowers where I can still pay attention, to what's being said and do that whereas a lot of people can't.  Pastor Bill: [29:21] Big issue with lectures, is and wee wee and I mentioned this earlier with you is my big issue with lectures is somebody will go into an analogy about football around go, they started a football analogy I'm going to tune them out until they're done with that analogy because I don't know anything about football, so I'm not getting anything out of this anyway so I usually go off into my own little world until my brain takes out that they stopped talking about about football and that's your loss, or they start talking about, troubles they have it a hotel because they were at a different Hotel before my brain goes that's not applicable to me and I just don't hear what they said.  Pastor Newms: [30:03] Which is something that does happen and you do that also with just normal conversation, me and says got into a slightly heated conversation earlier this week because.  [30:21] Something was said that, that flips me the wrong way because of the connotation of a word when he was using the diction of the word he was correct in his diction but to me he was completely wrong in his connotation not because of his connotation but because the connotation of how the word actually exists today and so you know and in his, worldview and his circles that he runs in he doesn't experience that, whereas in where I run it's a completely different, grouping of circles in people in you know and so it's interesting to see even those types of division in, in conversations which is why so much of the of the New Testament Church and so much of what, we've tried to do with the occlusion house and what is needed, overall is that small group format of coming together studying together learning together talking it through to make sure we all.  [31:34] Not agree but are on the same page of understanding of okay that's what, that's what it could mean or that's what it might mean or that's what it means to me and that's what it means to you and cool when it's not a, you know one of the one of the big ones the little things that we sometimes split whole churches about, and refused to work together but it's it's that aspect of as a church we should be you know, those small groups are what's important the people the relationships that you can build is what churches the when I say church is this time I mean, individual Gathering of people should be working towards is because the small group is what, the only way to truly disciple you can't disciple on a large scale the large scale is to start the conversation the small scale is where you actually grow, and I think that's something that is.  Pastor Bill: [32:46] The institution is supposed to facilitate. The abilities for the individual to be discipled and then to disciple others it's not the institutions job to disciple and that big you know, top down here Rock bureaucratic way that just doesn't work the church is supposed to facilitate. Believers doing what believes are supposed to do.  Pastor Newms: [33:15] And so, a couple of the other things that you know dr. Evans kind of talks about is the church the capital c Church being Unified, and then so like one of the verses that he used which I actually.  [33:35] I was at a church today and this was what they were talking about two for some reason that didn't go to Twitch I don't know why okay, so the restream client has decided not to pick up twitch at the moment for some reason okay, from him the whole body fitted and it together by every supporting ligament promotes the growth of the Body for building up itself in Love by the proper working of each individual part and, that is what the capital c church is missing so often we've divided ourselves into little groups that only, you know I only like this kind of music so, I go to a church that only plays this music I only like my coffee to be served in a glass that is biodegradable or I only like my coffee to be served in a cup that's hand washed after you someone else's just drink out of it and, anyway I don't understand that one personally but other people do and, not my place to judge them I can disagree with them nicely and and not actually make disgusted faces at them but we have to.  Pastor Bill: [34:56] Agreement here coffee cup piracy I've never coming back here.  Pastor Newms: [35:06] Those are individual aspects in this scenario but, you know we have to be United you know one of the things that I found interesting was you know, there are times and it's happening more and more where churches are coming together even from other denominations and working together because they understand, you know these are the things we agree with just because I think your skirt needs to be 7 mm past your ankle and you think it can be 7 inches above your knee, you know that doesn't necessarily mean.  Pastor Bill: [35:50] Seven inches.  Pastor Newms: [35:51] The tall people they're Giants it happens.  Pastor Bill: [35:54] I better be tall people, sit down with the skirt is 7 inches above your knee there's those hurt me more.  Pastor Newms: [36:01] They're very tall people you know some of those mountain people met and they big people but they you know you.  Pastor Bill: [36:10] I want to be comfortable but.  Pastor Newms: [36:12] So there's those aspects were.  Pastor Bill: [36:17] Love between your legs and that chair.  Pastor Newms: [36:19] We will go back to the hygiene issues, when we come together we have to come together to to move the kingdom forward you know discipling and growing even when we don't agree with each other there's a lot that you know there's, someone said something to me recently and they were like well you know you can't just not go somewhere because you don't agree with them and, that's a hundred percent accurate, to a degree because it's 100% accurate that we have to come together even when we disagree on small things if we're disagreeing on large things, that can be a different conversation because you know you do have to be comfortable where you worship and where you're being fed into but.  Pastor Bill: [37:14] What are those large things that you knew.  Pastor Newms: [37:16] I don't have them all written down at the moment but the big ones for me are you know Jesus being the only way to the father.  Pastor Bill: [37:29] That's the definition of Christianity.  Pastor Newms: [37:31] Right right the aspect of the so Jesus, death Resurrection the fact that salvation is by yeah salvation is by, faith not works not just a prayer you know there is actually that and then. To me those three or two or one or however you want to look at it are really the big ones.  Pastor Bill: [38:12] I'd say number three would be. It's an issue if you say we need to radically love and then you can all that stuff with but.  Pastor Newms: [38:20] I agree but. That's a I agree for me I can't, BM there's a difference between fellowshipping with and being a member of a congregation with as well you know there's a lot of people I will fellowship with that I don't agree with, at all but I know they've got the two that I actually like the 223 that are you know yes Jesus, yes Faith yes Heaven cool like you know we've got the same generic, but like you know there are some things that just woo but, we still have to be able to come together for those things you know there are still times that I've completely disagreed with something, gotten into the word studied it realized I'm wrong, and changed my worldview and that's okay and if we didn't ever interact with anyone outside of our own worldview we wouldn't do that if we all lived in our individual bubbles.  Pastor Bill: [39:33] Well. I've had that happen more than once just getting ready for this podcast, I've got into studying with one worldview and gone oh wait a whole world you on this issue has been unbiblical eager like from friends and started I had to change what I believe now.  Pastor Newms: [39:51] And I agree on that if you.  Pastor Bill: [39:54] Can't happen.  Pastor Newms: [39:55] Individual study but usually it's through discourse and you know studying together. So you know we are you know there's a common phrase sometimes you'll be the only Jesus anyone sees, and that is a true statement there are times where we as Christians we as followers of Christ, we are the only.  [40:31] Cristiano someone might see now the the radical difference to that that I see often is often times we're the only accurate representation, of Christian or we are the only opposing view from the vocal.  [40:52] I will say minority that ends up getting all the air time. On both sides of all issues typically it's the vocal minority that, end up causing more issues in more divisiveness but in churches it happens so often we're like for example what we talked about for three weeks straight of you know the, state of theology so many people have tainted even what certain words mean, in Christianity and that doesn't mean the whole of Christianity feels that way but because some people are teaching it quite loudly, that's what people see people see televangelists people see people who are on, you know the radio people see these certain individuals not the church as a whole that is trying to do the right thing in the right way, we sadly have a lot of us not and so in that as we round the corner of 720.  [42:10] Some of the stuff the church isn't if a church is growing, meaning the building is growing or the the number of people inside building is growing but the people, aren't growing in their faith and growing in their knowledge and growing in being discipled.  [42:37] That that physical iteration of the church is missing it if the numbers are growing up, but the people are staying the same we've missed something if the print if the people if the building, of the church is really pretty but the people Spirits aren't really pretty, we're probably missing something if the people are rotten and just crotchety angry you know, whatever people were probably missing something something you mentioned earlier if the church isn't loving others the church is missing it you know the, it's interesting to see, as I've been visiting churches and listening to things and reading on things trying to find a a church too, attend, to you know Assist in being discipled so that I can continue to help disciple the, it's hard to find an organization that.  [44:01] Is not missing it or is not, not doing something if you if you have a building fund because you just want a new building, or the carpets are Raggedy but you haven't reached out to the hungry or the poor or the lost or the widowed or the you know all the things that Jesus you know blatantly tells us to do and what the New Testament Church did taking care of people who are in need, that's a problem you know if you're spending more money on this than that or if you're not even trying you know I have you know, we've all seen it we all know it it happens sadly and then there are some, individual parts of the church that are doing a really good job of certain of these aspects and that's good, and that's how it should be but we as a whole church have to continue to get there together and that's all I have to say but I know you probably have more.  [45:19] You can't not have anything. We got nine more minutes to fill like that's ever stopped me when I'm the big head that we're short, but do you have anything to add to that any of that.  Pastor Bill: [45:50] I guess I'm just.  [46:00] Sick and tired of all of that. Screaming into the darkness for no one but God Z here.  [46:24] There's no there's no money and there's no popularity and loving people and speaking the truth and. So we just end up in our own little Echo chamber going in circles about things that need to be done and we have no voice of influence anywhere.  Pastor Newms: [46:54] It definitely is frustrating yes I agree.  [47:05] Well if you would like to join us if you're listening to this podcast we record this live every Sunday or most Sunday's 6:30 Central Time, and it's sadly looks like it will not be you know, central time will not be the set Central Time unless something radically changes quite quickly in one of the houses time change will happen again in the spring it looks like but that's beside the point the that's.  Pastor Bill: [47:39] About the time they chose was the daylight savings time they chose.  [47:48] Which was the stupid one to choose to begin with but they still from the jars.  Pastor Newms: [47:52] So they did choose one and it passed unanimously in whichever of the chamber's it was in I cannot remember I want to say it passed the Senate correctly and it has now just been sitting in the house, and has not been discussed talked about or anything which it has to go through both chambers before it can then be sent to the president to become law and so at the moment, no one knows everyone anticipated before this last switch that the law would be passed so that we going into the next year it would be law but it has been just sitting, I'm on someone's you know in the, in the chamber whichever side I can't remember whether it was the house passed it in the Senate that's holding it or the Senate passed it in the house is holding and I can't remember I just actually read an article about it yesterday, but I don't remember but we're going to be here 6:30 whatever time Central is currently, recording this and we would love for you to join us you can look us up on EKK.house to see where you can join us live.  [49:10] And, with that to be part of the discussion as we're talking about you know to try to work through these things together as opposed to just having.  [49:24] The talking head actually being able to interact with everyone through it, and we will talk with you guys next week and we love you.  Pastor Bill: [49:42] Stay safe out there.

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S3Ep98 - What Is Family For?

Pastor Newms: [0:00] Hello wait no that's not how it starts no.  Pastor Bill: [0:06] Hello and welcome.  Pastor Newms: [0:08] No you said you weren't going to say it.  Pastor Bill: [0:11] I did the old one like from Fuji from like first please.  Pastor Newms: [0:29] For the modern Christian I'm pastor newms and I'm the big face and there's Pastor Bill and he is the little face and he doesn't feel good so, warming up how you feeling I mean how was your week.  Pastor Bill: [0:48] You know how I'm feeling I feel like you got the flu is how I'm feeling.  Pastor Newms: [0:50] Yeah yeah.  Pastor Bill: [0:53] And right before that Big Bertha died.  Pastor Newms: [0:54] Big Bertha didn't die Big Bertha is sick no.  Pastor Bill: [0:59] She's got it a whole new like it okay if the eat the equivalent thing happened to me I'd be getting a brain transplant right now.  Pastor Newms: [1:08] Well well see that's where the CPU differs because it's the processing but it's not the memory so kind of.  Pastor Bill: [1:19] Okay so I'd be getting a central nervous system replacement.  Pastor Newms: [1:23] No not the whole central nervous.  Pastor Bill: [1:26] Scores a run from my brain through my.  Pastor Newms: [1:29] All the cords are still there it's literally just a little chip one of your lobes I don't know which one but but.  Pastor Bill: [1:36] My medulla oblongata Doula Upland gotta train a replacement.  Pastor Newms: [1:39] One of the lobes is being replaced hello Biggs welcome.  Pastor Bill: [1:44] Big Brother this CPU needs to be replaced at least is what they said, resetting it didn't work they're going to have to order a new one and then the guy was like do you want the newest generation one or do you want an equivalent one and I was like, I don't know the difference and he was like you know I don't either let me let me let me give you a quote I'll look that up and give you a full quote on Monday, and I was like okay.  Pastor Newms: [2:12] You're like I don't know man you tell.  Pastor Bill: [2:16] Yeah he's like he's offering me upgrades and he's like I don't know what the upgrade is about I don't know what's upgraded about it so well how am I supposed.  Pastor Newms: [2:21] That's funny so one thing I want to say is I do like the way you did your clock I don't know if I like all of your setup but I really like the way you did the clock.  Pastor Bill: [2:38] Yeah it's a see-through you know it's just see through clock got Gears and stuff on the inside and then so I just I put it over top of where I've already got this LED lighting strong, so the LED lighting is shining you know through the clock.  Pastor Newms: [2:55] Yeah.  Pastor Bill: [2:57] For those of you listening and not watching.  Pastor Newms: [2:59] That's true that's true and you should join us so you can watch us hello Phoenix welcome ellos 80 welcome my week was good I'm real busy at work, and I'm gearing up to take several days off and so that always means you know, more work in preparation to taking days off because when you have to manage the boards, basically how everything moves in the team, you've got to have all that laid out and ready for while you're gone or else team members might run out of work or might not have something to do and that's no bueno, yeah that when we have so many things big says your office looks like a TARDIS.  Pastor Bill: [3:53] Yes I'm building its hardest over here.  [4:00] Got a little Tardis right here behind my head.  Pastor Newms: [4:03] It's not bigger on the inside.  Pastor Bill: [4:06] That one's not now neither is this one over here on my desk this was something on the inside either you actually said the inside of it.  Pastor Newms: [4:15] Well what else do we want to talk about for warmup.  Pastor Bill: [4:20] What we got getting to know the pastures.  Pastor Newms: [4:22] Yeah did your week for a car.  Pastor Bill: [4:24] On my way.  Pastor Newms: [4:25] Oh we got to see how this new cup looks how does this cup look what color let's play a game what color is this cup chat.  Pastor Bill: [4:36] You asking the chat with color the cup of I can't take it this box open.  Pastor Newms: [4:42] What color, is my new cup what do you guys think because that's going to determine whether I keep using it or not depending on how it comes across the Stream.  Pastor Bill: [4:52] That's not right jack.  [5:03] Like dreamsicle Orange.  Pastor Newms: [5:06] Yep that's the problem it's not Orange.  Pastor Bill: [5:12] What color is it supposed to be.  Pastor Newms: [5:13] It is a red cup but it is the shade of red that I was afraid it's not a deep enough read for for the cameras to handle it, bill is is a small face because two reasons one we're going back to the discipleship talk, the Saints are aiming so it really does Bye Bill.  Pastor Bill: [5:44] Bible.  Pastor Newms: [5:45] Good luck um the, we're going back to the discipleship we've got two more weeks of the discipleship talk and also he has the flu currently so he is not feeling good so he is the little face, and attempted to be assassinated by the Saints, now for those of you in video land the reason that is funny is I have a Boondock Saints poster on my wall if you don't know what movie that is I'm sorry for your existence but the movie poster.  Pastor Bill: [6:23] Because everything harder with you feel sick.  Pastor Newms: [6:25] The, poster is the two brothers holding a gun down pointed and it so happens that it is on either side and pointing at Pastor bills head which is hilarious which, really makes me wish you had a green screen so I could just put him there actually but there's no way his background would actually work with a green screen that would be.  Pastor Bill: [6:51] It works all except for the clock like I was playing around with the Discord filters earlier I'd like everything works except for right the clock right here shows through every filter.  Pastor Newms: [7:01] So it would be it would just be your face your body and then the clock I'm okay with that actually that'd be funny.  Pastor Bill: [7:08] The lit up clock.  Pastor Newms: [7:09] The lit up clock just cuz it be like in a video game where you got something hovering next to you like a little side companion yours is just a clock yeah.  Pastor Bill: [7:16] The glowing cloud.  Pastor Newms: [7:19] All right what car did you pull sir out of your terrible deck.  Pastor Bill: [7:24] What's your worst roommate or houseguest story.  Pastor Newms: [7:46] And she attended one of my parties, and when she attended my party she tried to drink too much back in my drinking days she tried to keep up with me and threw up all over my floor multiple times that he, that's my worst roommate story, I haven't had many roommates to be honest so I don't have that many even it even at teen Mania was I had five roommates and then when I lived in a house there were like 12 of us there weren't any bad stories one of them got me addicted to anime and that never went away, Andrew Neblock.  Pastor Bill: [8:30] Anime.  Pastor Newms: [8:31] Was one of the first times I ever watched anime back in 2002 and.  Pastor Bill: [8:36] So my wife likes to drink this water called hint H int intent of whatever flavor it's got a hint of in it though I always jokingly called her hentai water, and dirty.  Pastor Newms: [8:52] No  Pastor Bill: [8:54] Himself every time I say it now the rest of the kids are like why do you keep saying that what does that even mean.  Pastor Newms: [8:59] Pastor Bill has the flu please do not Google hentai please do not Google that any of you who do not know what it is that is if you know you know situation please, do not Google that Pastor Bill with the flu, if you know you know actually type that to someone and then had to explain what it meant, I did not like the IKNYN and they went huh and I was like if you know you know, if you know you know what nevermind you're obviously too old for this.  Pastor Bill: [9:41] So when I moved to California, I moved into an apartment that had two rooms each of those rooms already had two people living in them and I ended up having to live in the living room with an air mattress, and that made me feel like a bad house houseguests because I was you know thinking of space in the living room and all of my stuff was in the basically the, jacket closet by the front door but one of our roommates every morning, would basically stop on the air mattress on his way out the door at like 6:30 a.m.  Pastor Newms: [10:28] Hmm.  Pastor Bill: [10:30] He didn't want me there he didn't like me wanted me to move out and so every morning at 6:30 he stomp on the air mattress while I was trying to still try to sleep on his way out the door.  Pastor Newms: [10:43] Mmm he sounds like a peach.  Pastor Bill: [10:57] Anyway that's my bedroom my story.  Pastor Newms: [11:00] Interesting all right well, then I guess we get started so this week I titled it.  [11:17] I forgot what I titled it.  Pastor Bill: [11:19] Child i y k y k.  Pastor Newms: [11:30] I'm looking for the right window that would have what I titled it what is family for, what is family for and mainly because I had no other thing to title it I wasn't sure what to title this week, it's so I was just like what's family for, you know we went back this is the fifth week I think of us talking about discipleship that we took a break for in the middle to do the state of theology.  Pastor Bill: [12:10] Break it a little of a six-part series to do a three part series, before we got back into our six part series.  Pastor Newms: [12:17] That we only have two parts left tonight and one more.  Pastor Bill: [12:20] Tonight one part of.  Pastor Newms: [12:21] Which will not be next week I don't think don't forget.  Pastor Bill: [12:26] What day is the next out that the 30th.  Pastor Newms: [12:29] Because I will be actually doing a wedding on the 30th, we might record it beforehand so we have something to go out that next week but we definitely will not be live on the 30th.  Pastor Bill: [12:51] Doing some Halloween stuff with my family anyway so.  Pastor Newms: [12:53] Wouldn't that be the.  Pastor Bill: [12:54] You guys want to get together on this Discord Channel and Talk Amongst yourselves that's fine by me but.  Pastor Newms: [13:00] You can barely hear Pastor Bill Pastor Bill talk again.  Pastor Bill: [13:04] Okay what would you like me to say.  Pastor Newms: [13:08] I mean I guess I can turn him up.  Pastor Bill: [13:08] Have too few.  Pastor Newms: [13:13] Talk now some more.  Pastor Bill: [13:15] Hello how are you doing today.  Pastor Newms: [13:18] I hear him fine can you hear him betters 80.  Pastor Bill: [13:21] Soap and coming through my bedroom already somebody in there.  Pastor Newms: [13:27] She is super quiet.  Pastor Bill: [13:29] I'm super quiet.  Pastor Newms: [13:31] Weird he's bouncing at normal levels.  Pastor Bill: [13:33] Check my settings why me but if you're saying I'm the normal then hello how are you.  [13:46] Yeah them on this court says I'm coming through fine.  Pastor Newms: [13:50] Yeah I mean you're hitting just almost hitting yellow try again.  [14:04] I think I think I see you're bouncing right okay I turned you up a whole bunch.  Pastor Bill: [14:13] Hold on.  Pastor Newms: [14:24] So what we're talking about in discipleship is discipleship inside, the family structure you know one of the ways oh no your finds out even if you can't hear him other people can't hear him so that's that's a problem so, thank you for saying something as opposed to just let it slide.  Pastor Bill: [14:46] Turn on closed captioning because Pastor Bill is going to be silent and I.  Pastor Newms: [14:50] What about get to know that we did get to know the pastor's we read the card it was it was the.  Pastor Bill: [14:57] Bad Roommate.  Pastor Newms: [14:58] Bad roommate stories.  Pastor Bill: [15:02] Roxanne on Facebook says she can hear both.  Pastor Newms: [15:07] She couldn't hear well maybe now she can hear I can hear myself downstairs.  Pastor Bill: [15:13] Can you hear me downstairs you couldn't tell if you could hear me downstairs for about an hour now I can hear me downstairs, I can always get right up in the mic like this.  Pastor Newms: [15:27] That you redlined I think she actually turned it down slightly when I said I could hear myself okay I don't know what it is hopefully I.  Pastor Bill: [15:36] 78 on Facebook status on Facebook.  Pastor Newms: [15:42] Okay so I will say your mic is farther from your face than normal that is true it is a different configuration because.  Pastor Bill: [15:56] So close.  Pastor Newms: [15:58] Well because you're not looking at your mic that's the problem.  Pastor Bill: [15:59] I rearranged my desk.  Pastor Newms: [16:01] Yeah so you're not looking at your mic so it's definitely a different sound than normal because you're not looking at it while you're talking I think it's a little better maybe.  Pastor Bill: [16:16] I should be better because it's like six inches from my face.  Pastor Newms: [16:21] It does look better it sounds clear yeah so.  Pastor Bill: [16:26] That's bound to happen when you rearrange the setting you know and then you got to reconnect all wires and read you all the Angles and.  Pastor Newms: [16:35] Yeah actually it turned you down slightly because you read line twice in that setting so yeah you're definitely better.  Pastor Bill: [16:40] Google Kemal.  Pastor Newms: [16:41] Which is okay to tap the red line every now and then we just can't be hanging out in the red line, with my bike I am -4.5 DB so because my mic is so close to my face um so we're talking about tonight the aspect of, discipleship inside the family.  Pastor Bill: [17:04] Atomic is purple Atomic discipleship.  Pastor Newms: [17:08] Atop what do you mean Atomic discipleship.  Pastor Bill: [17:12] You know the atomic family.  Pastor Newms: [17:17] Why does it have to be an atomic family.  Pastor Bill: [17:20] Because never mind.  Pastor Newms: [17:22] That's actually the only part of the whole family thing I didn't agree with when he was talking was it has to be an atomic family, I was like you lost me for a second okay we're back yeah raise the children right you lost me.  Pastor Bill: [17:37] Yeah it wasn't here.  Pastor Newms: [17:38] Well I mean.  Pastor Bill: [17:41] It was narrow and then and then there were examples that were way outside of my pay grade.  Pastor Newms: [17:46] There was so one of the examples that dr. Evans used was being a frequent flyer, and because he's a frequent flyer he can upgrade to, you know business class and economy class and platinum and and all these different things and built had me posit and Pastor Bill is like I don't know what that means at all that's so outside my pay grade like I do.  Pastor Bill: [18:14] I am not as well to talk about agriculture right now I don't know anything about.  Pastor Newms: [18:19] But to be fair when you are the, Pastor not passed chaplain to the Dallas Cowboys you're going to rack up some mileage, and he was for sooo many years so yeah, so basically kind of what we wanted to touch on is we talk we're talking about discipleship.  [18:48] Okay I worry about your brain because your brain off.  Pastor Bill: [18:51] Pastor I messed up again I need you to come to Chicago I done did it again and you come talk to the police for my behalf we did a chaplain for the Dallas Cowboys.  Pastor Newms: [19:03] I don't know if that was in his job title as chaplain, it was be there in pray I don't know if he during some of those darker times that is the Utopia of Star Trek even possible, without food replicators and weather control so I'm not sure what we're talking where this question came from, disabled I'm assuming that's disabled veteran but no it's not that's why the Utopia of Star Trek does not exist otherwise, but no I don't think it could be his question was is the Utopia of did I read his question already I don't think it is possible.  Pastor Bill: [19:56] Yeah we're what what Que they're running off.  Pastor Newms: [19:59] Left field that's the answer.  Pastor Bill: [20:01] Yeah I'm like I've got a friend of Garrick sticker over here but other than that I do.  Pastor Newms: [20:05] I can't even see your friend of Garrick sticker due to the microphone actually sadly you'll have to move your friend of Garrick forward if that's your mic placement so with the, discipleship that we're called to his as Christians the thing we have to think about is, it should start in our family that's one of the things that hurts my soul excuse me I have to pick up something fierce, hurts my soul a lot is when we get into conversations about discipleship and then, someone like dr. Evans feels he has to do an entire episode on.  [20:56] You should be discipling inside your family now because here's the reason the reason why he feels he has to say that is because people don't, if and that hurts because logically the first place we would, share our beliefs and have discussions on our beliefs which are much different than shoving your beliefs down your children's throat and giving them no option to ever believe anything else or else disowning them mind you let's make that perfectly clear but, you should have critical thinking conversations about religion and about you know, why you do it how are you doing you know all those types of things with your family that is something that is.  [21:51] Should be super obvious like and it hurts it's that not everyone thinks about it, and not everyone does it we have so many people who, and we talked about this you know at this point like six weeks ago it feels like but, we talked about you know the different Gene salvation and discipleship is those next steps and so many people just worried all my kids are saved yay, do they understand, religion do they understand the decisions they've made do they understand did they actually make a decision or did they say up a statement somewhere, you know there's all those types of questions that we really have to.  [22:43] Look at and should be to us second nature and and this goes back to me for two things one is the verse we all know, we all know the verse I'm about to say it's been beaten to death but we all know it which is trained up, a child in the way he should go and he will not depart from it is the Old King James the csb says start a youth out on his way even when he grows old he will not depart from it, and I honestly like that better, the way it's stated you know we should have conversations with our children we should have conversations with our family members we should have conversations with our and that doesn't mean, they're going to make the right decisions right away that doesn't mean they're going to make the decisions that, are that we necessarily agree with but what it means is you set them forth on a path, and the decisions that they make will be influenced by what you've taught them, not necessarily exactly lined up with yours my the type of Christianity I practice and I talked about and I you know deal with is a lot different, then how I was trained up Biggs and I disagree on some things me and my mom disagree on some things.  [24:09] Me and you disagree on some things it did it's not you know it's not that you know I trained my child he agrees with me 100% okay you probably did something wrong and that's called indoctrination and brainwashing your child, you'll have critical thought yeah and and that's something I think that is, you know in the culture that we have right now of people leaving the church and running from Christianity a lot of that deconstructing a lot of that has to do with, they were forced not talked, and so when they had critical thought they just walked away, yeah exactly I said said religious trauma you know when you beat it into someone literally for some some some some parents literally beat it into their kids and then we wonder why, people are running from Christianity in droves because of how they were treated as children.  [25:22] Disabled veteran just said you know do children have beliefs in mom and dad or belief in God that's a tough one and that's a good point it's a really really good point of.  Pastor Bill: [25:35] A lot of parents think while I've instilled this belief in them they believe in God they believe in you know they believe the things I believe, most of the time you've been micromanaging and you haven't actually given them a chance to exercise critical thought and I from cells what they really believe, and yeah they believe in mom and dad and then we'll Mom and Dad aren't there anymore, they got to decide what they believe and they don't necessarily believe what Mom and Dad believes.  Pastor Newms: [26:07] And, you know it's so there's there's that whole thought process and the second part thought process I have is we got to go all the way back to Genesis and we all the way back to like somewhere between Genesis 1 and 30, right and God you know makes atom forms Adam, breathe into him sets him down, Adam goes Adam starts being Adam God looks down and goes up Adam needs a Eve Adam needs someone, because Adam ain't doing so hot by himself which if any of us have ever been stuck with no other human to talk to you can only talk to the dogs so much, and so you know.  Pastor Bill: [26:55] The other things with.  Pastor Newms: [26:58] He creative if shows up and God has given Adam certain commands you know, the biggest one, don't eat of that tree over there or you'll die that's what God tells him don't eat of that tree or you'll die Eve shows up Adam goes don't touch that tree or your die and, and Eve goes okay don't touch it or I'll die Satan shows up and goes you can touch that tree won't kill you and he goes no I can't touch it God said I can't whoa, no he didn't know he, Adam said it because Adam messed up from the beginning not only did he eat knowing he shouldn't have eaten after his wife ate, which if my beautiful anyway um hands me fruit I'm probably eating it they might beautiful life hands me something I'm probably going to eat it anyway just because you know it's easier.  Pastor Bill: [28:12] Really I mean do the mental math of atoms stay there and he's like so you didn't die right away but you're going to die and I'm going to live forever imma Live Forever Without You Give me the damn fruit, give it to me.  Pastor Newms: [28:28] Is an accurate thought process, is it wild okay so let's finish we will touch space Plum I will not I am going to touch on your question in a second but let me finish through this, even back then had Adam discipled his family versus just saying something and walking away, we probably would be in a different position probably maybe sinasohn you know things happen perfection.  Pastor Bill: [29:07] Now Kane would have eaten from that pretty.  Pastor Newms: [29:13] Someone would have.  Pastor Bill: [29:15] It would have been game and would have came would have been like eight years old and pulling fruit off the tree.  Pastor Newms: [29:21] So disabled veteran said jealousy was introduced into the Garden of Eden, when Adam walked in the garden with God and Eve was left at the tree that's an interesting thought I haven't heard that personally before, cuz Even Adam were together at the tree, but no I do not have a master of divinity degree, now space Plum to answer your first question is it widely believed that Jesus was the source of most modern-day zombies, I would actually say no personally because, we don't have a lot of modern-day zombies, and there's some Haitian Voodoo that can possibly create zombies but that's not something we typically talk about here now vampires possibly, but that's actually usually dated older back to India not necessarily Jerusalem some people do, prescribed that to Judas but I.  Pastor Bill: [30:48] Yeah from what I've heard the modern idea of zombies in pop culture was spawned by the, quote unquote which doctors in Haiti and the aisles around there that would poison a person, with the poison that slows down all of your livestock for you look like your dad and then, they would then when the person got better you know and woke up they would tell them no I brought you back to life your you belong to me you have to follow what I tell you to do, and that was the what I've always heard is the source of that modern-day Mythos of, that we see in movies and reading books and whatnot.  Pastor Newms: [31:34] That is definitely the Mythos of the slow zombie the fast zombies are the those weird fungi that take over ants, whatever country that is I can't remember what country that is that they've based a couple of video games off of.  Pastor Bill: [31:50] I don't remember where that is at this the jungle thing right so South America.  Pastor Newms: [31:55] I want to say it might even be I don't I don't remember where I'm not a zombie expert I'm actually terrified of zombies you just one of my fears just overall I'm afraid of zombies it's weird that I'm afraid of zombies because you know we don't see them much in real life but for some reason like if I'm alone at night, and I hear a weird noise I immediately think oh crap zombie witch there, rational reason for.  Pastor Bill: [32:28] Angel statues.  Pastor Newms: [32:30] What about angel statues.  Pastor Bill: [32:34] Says on Twitch.  Pastor Newms: [32:35] I know but what is says mean.  Pastor Bill: [32:37] You pick some zombie or an angel.  Pastor Newms: [32:39] I don't like angel statues that is true that's Doctor whose fault though I do not that's the weeping angel I do not like angel statues.  Pastor Bill: [32:46] That's probably the only episode Steven Moffat wrote that was really good was the original weeping angel story.  Pastor Newms: [32:56] I have a t-shirt that someone bought me that has a weeping angel on it and I won't wear it typically because if it has the.  Pastor Bill: [33:03] Is an image of an income account.  Pastor Newms: [33:05] Can become an angel so if I put myself in that I could become a weeping angel and I'm not down that road so it literally sits in my closet on a hanger turned away.  Pastor Bill: [33:16] Religion zombies Star Trek Doctor Who what else can we lump in.  Pastor Newms: [33:21] All funny thing funny thing we talked about this the other day remember it was last week of the week before where, there's at least one person at my job that has in the past listened to our.  [33:38] Podcast and enjoyed them I don't know if she still does on a weekly basis but I know she does sometimes this week I was talking about my upcoming vacation and and I said, I could talk about the wand I am Voldemort get back I will get you you are just right there for anyone who doesn't know says is in, the room with me he's right there anyway, his desk is in front of my desk and so, we were talking and I said yeah I'll be conducting a wedding so I won't be in town Thursday Friday, Monday Tuesday and they and I just kept going and they went well we got a backup we just took that note for the meeting but, what do mean you're conducting a wedding and I said well I am an ordained minister through our through the church that I'm a part of I'm the twitch pastor and.  [34:44] Huh but like like what do you mean so that derailed about 15 minutes of our meeting of me explaining, what I do and what we do and then several of them asking for their family members my family this family member watches twitch can I have your information or my kids liked which let me get that information and so I so it was kind of funny because I was like I just I just moved by it like it was nothing I got to conduct a wedding you know no big deal and they were like wait wait wait back up Jonathan does what and I was like.  Pastor Bill: [35:21] Yeah Jonathan(Newms) officiates weddings.  Pastor Newms: [35:22] Yeah I tell you can it's legal him just for everyone out there my weddings are funny too.  Pastor Bill: [35:32] This point you and I've each done one and you're about to do your second ones here one ahead of.  Pastor Newms: [35:40] Now I was just part of that one that's true I had to do that speaking part at that one handfasting but that was not conducting that was just in it.  Pastor Bill: [35:51] This will put you want to have me.  Pastor Newms: [36:03] I'm also getting a beard trim this week and I'm going to get my nails done right I'm actually going to get gels done before the festival.  Pastor Bill: [36:10] And you guys his all black suit is fantastic.  Pastor Newms: [36:14] I will post pictures at some point.  Pastor Bill: [36:15] Because like I was like please don't break my kneecaps I will pay my bookie just.  Pastor Newms: [36:20] Well so the people doing the well but I wasn't I wasn't, the officiator of the handfasting I just had a part of it that's why it's not, technical because I wasn't officiating it I just had a part in it one of the witnesses I think is what it's called says will correct me in a minute because he leaned forward so on what it's called being, in that part ball Bill took pictures.  Pastor Bill: [36:52] Photographer.  Pastor Newms: [37:03] A black hat and I got a black beard mostly most, so yeah witness and guardian is what it was called so not officiating but anywho.  Pastor Bill: [37:18] All right something I got for tonight.  Pastor Newms: [37:21] Do you have anything to say about family and discipleship because you haven't said stuff yet, if you just in agreeance and you got the flu so you I have the flu I don't know man.  Pastor Bill: [37:39] Just the only things I have to say is is I know you know we focused a lot on family and kids and yada yada but not everybody's in that, part of life you know but one of the things I like about discipleship True Discipleship is that you are actually building a family when you're discipling your choosing, family you know what I mean like when you're getting close and you're creating that chosen family, and so it's still really applies and is you should be, discipling those that are closest to you and that, I know that sounds like we're talking about you know you're here and there here that's not what that means A discipleship is your you're basically intellectually your equals and and your.  [38:43] Not fall into 22 christianese of a cliche, you're looking for areas where they're weak to help so you can help them sharpen those areas and then as they become stronger they're looking for areas that you're weak to help you sharpen in those areas, and you're actually equals in this scenario where you know you're discipling them and and then they begin discipling you and that's a true, discipleship relationship in your building a family in that way it isn't it isn't strictly, relegated to parents with children in the scenario that we're talking about tonight, do this one thing I had to add my brains a little putting me right now.  Pastor Newms: [39:36] When you have the flu.  [39:41] All right so if you want to join us live as so many people have done tonight you can.  Pastor Bill: [39:50] We've had space Plum and disabled veteran and as it's been real active tonight and Zane he's been here in Phoenix has been here and Biggs has been here and my wife has been here.  Pastor Newms: [40:01] We do this on Sunday nights at 6:30 Central most Sunday nights we will not be doing it next week we will be doing it after that 6:30 Central and we will we go live on Twitch Facebook and YouTube you can go to our website EKK.house to see where on each of those platforms we are.  Pastor Bill: [40:25] Come on you didn't say which.  Pastor Newms: [40:27] I don't say which twitch you say which twitch.  Pastor Bill: [40:29] It's just that words to it.  Pastor Newms: [40:30] Hi do twice so the please join us we would love for you to be part of the conversation this is not supposed to be a bunch of Talking Heads well not a bunch there's only two of us this is not supposed to be two Talking Heads leading this this is a just group discussion as as bill was talking about this is us sharpening each other as we go and sometimes fun questions that, aren't necessarily exactly what we're talking about helps with that you know.  Pastor Bill: [40:59] And that's okay we want the aqua to come with their questions if there's something that you feel like you need the answer to that's what the chats for it doesn't always have to be on top.  Pastor Newms: [41:10] Nope not at all and that's what I'm saying is it a.  Pastor Bill: [41:12] Don't be rude you know.  Pastor Newms: [41:15] Try not to be rude because there are people who you can get easily banned if you start yelling cursing or sexualizing either of us because that's just weird.  Pastor Bill: [41:25] There was that one guy that came in was like are those pops behind you and you were like yeah and he was like Peta files I was weird.  Pastor Newms: [41:32] That was weird that was a weird day that was that was a weird day.  Pastor Bill: [41:39] Bank.  Pastor Newms: [41:40] So you know there are times some questions are not are not accurate.  Pastor Bill: [41:46] Oh stands.  Pastor Newms: [41:47] Says called us pretty so we hope you guys join us and, we will talk to you next time.  Pastor Bill: [42:02] Be safe out there.  Pastor Newms: [42:03] Thank you we love you.  Pastor Bill: [42:05] I line this week.

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Pastor Newms: [0:00] Hey Pastor Newms how was your week? Okay so my week was good. Pastor Bill: [0:04] Pastor Newms how was your week? Pastor Newms: [0:06] I know we're trying to keep it semi shorter than normal so we can get into the 20 things we want to talk about tonight. Pastor Bill: [0:13] We got a live 1 through 15 last time right. Pastor Newms: [0:15] We did we got through 15 last time and we're trying we're on 16 and I think that some of these ones we might just go hey let's talk about this one in this one together at the same time as opposed to doing explanations because like. Pastor Bill: [0:29] Why would we do that? Pastor Newms: [0:30] Because 16 and 17 are almost exactly like my answers are similar because they feed into each other what is one is one is one is two is kind of, but anyway so my week was good it was busy with work, I picked up my suit I honestly thought about wearing it tonight just to throw everyone off because I'm the one who wears the t-shirt and you're the one who wears the collared shirt and so would be really funny if, I'm in a suit. … Pastor Bill: [12:51] All right so we are on week 2 of going over the state of theology. Pastor Newms: [13:02] And for anyone not live who didn't listen to week one do you want to summarize what that is quickly. Pastor Bill: [13:09] Sure so every year or every other year rather this group called The State of Theology and and Life Way that used to run like for Christian bookstores they put out a it's not really a survey. its statements, and then you, whether or not each statement is true or false you answer strongly agree somewhat agree not sure somewhat disagree or strongly disagree, surveys this year and then you know put out the results of their state of Theology and it's very flawed, very flawed from a data standpoint from a Believer standpoint and the reason we're talking about it is because, this is what people are talking about people in the world are taking this survey and then you go and you see this is what Christians believe and. Mmm the takeaways that people are saying this is proof of what Christians believe doesn't represent what I believe and it doesn't represent how I feel about my neighbors, and doesn't represent the way I see God and and all of this so we're going over it because, we need to go over we need to go over you know why do we believe the way we believe and you need to decide as a listener or viewer what you believe about these different items, that's what this is, last week we went through statements 1 through 15 so this week we're going to pick up on 16 and Jonathan suggested we just lump 16, 17 together because they're they're pretty close to the same thing they're like super close to each other. Pastor Newms: [14:58] Well well and and I think that's part of like what I wrote in 16 is basically saying 17, I agree with but 16 go ahead so let's jump into it. Pastor Bill: [15:13] 16. The Bible, like all sacred writings, contains helpful accounts of ancient myths but is not literally true. So 25 percent strongly agree 28 percent somewhat agree, 6% not sure 14 percent somewhat disagree and 27 percent strongly disagree, with this statement. Pastor Newms: [15:41] And and what is 17 and then we'll talk about both of them at the same time. Pastor Bill: [15:47] 17. The Bible is 100% accurate in all that it teaches. And the numbers on strongly and whatever didn't change enough to even really talked about the change in numbers more people agree, but that's really the only big difference between the results on the two questions. Pastor Newms: [16:08] The sides just kind of flipped. Pastor Bill: [16:12] Really flip I mean strongly disagree barely changed it all. The Bible like all sacred writings contains helpful accounts of ancient myths but is not a literally true and then the Bible is 100% accurate in all that it teaches so. On 16, example of accounts of ancient myths but is not literally true I put somewhat agree, and the Bible is 100 percent accurate and all the teachers I put strongly disagree now what did I put because my results aren't here anymore and I didn't write them down I think I agree with that. Pastor Newms: [16:55] So I put. So my problem is this is my problem is in both of these is the wording because. Pastor Bill: [17:06] Well it's always the wording but where's our. Pastor Newms: [17:08] It is 1 it straight says like all sacred writings, contains helpful so right off the bat it Compares it to all sacred writings so I have two right off the bat it's like no, not like other writings it doesn't it's not the same, because it's not myths like other sacred writings so right off the bat I had it's like no the wording makes me say no I disagree completely and then I put that I agree on 17, in that it's accurate in what it teaches and I think that's the big. Like a lot of people would view those two questions as very similar but to me they're completely different because, the Bible is not a set of myths rather a book to be studied and learned from I believe it's all true, I do think that as written by men inspired by God through the Holy Spirit and then translated that some of its meaning has been lost to understanding of the original texts and then I used First Corinthians 13:11 - 13 when I was a child I spoke as a child I thought as a child I reasoned like a child when I became a man I put aside childish things for now we see only a reflection of reflection as in a mirror, but then face to face now I know in part, but then I will know fully as I am fully known now these three remain faith hope and love but the greatest of these is love, is what I put for the first one because it's one of those words like it's true in that it was written truthfully, and it was truthful accounts and it is truthful retellings of those accounts because truth and inaccurate are two different things and then. Pastor Bill: [19:14] So I'm going to a little bit of a different route. And in the cutting my head buds just died so I have to switch that out here in a second but in the concepts I believe that the Bible is accurate, I think there are certain things that people have claimed the Bible teaches, that aren't accurate and so there's that problem. Um and so I believe if the Bible was 100% literally true, and it was like we said before if it was a it was a complete lie, verifiable history book that you had no question on whether of on the veracity of it one way or the other then it would eliminate the need for faith, um Hebrews 11 verse 6 says now without faith it is impossible to please God since the one who draws near to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him, and Hebrews 11:1 says now Faith is the reality of what is hoped for the proof of what is not seen, if the Bible is literally literal and it's 100% literal and everything in it is, just literally the way it happened and it's 100% right and it's a it's a guidebook for every way that you should live your life down to the letter t, then that removes the need for faith and I just, I believe that would be the case I don't I don't that doesn't make any sense to me. Groggy says but isn't faith that we believe that it's 100% ride so that's having faith in the Bible not having faith in God I've talked about that in the past that, I feel like a lot of evangelicalism if that's the right uses that word has turned the Bible into an idol, where we have more faith in this collection of writings then we do in in actually in God and in the whole he's leaning on the Holy Spirit, and so we elevated what is an amazing thing to something that it was never intended to be, it's not intended to be worshipped and holy and put Faith in it, we're supposed to be creating disciples and having faith based off of what we're you know we're urging each other to faith in Christ to faith in God and then we're replacing that with oh well I think them this book. Pastor Newms: [22:24] To me I mean to me we've had this conversation a lot. Well and that's where there's a difference like I was saying there's a difference between shrew, truth and accuracy like for example here's an example in the Old Testament there are places where they give numbers of people, and they say this number, of people were here this number of people were here is that number one hundred percent accurate, the fact that there are 5,000 people at the feeding of the fish well there was 5,000 men well okay cool but what is a man. Was there 5001 was there 4999 so it's like 5,000 the the language that we use, is different and the meanings behind languages tree is different so the accuracy isn't, as important as truth you can tell the story and believe it is true and have faith that it is true while you're telling it, does not mean it's a hundred percent accurate because you might have actually you know use your left hand instead of your right, when you're telling a story doesn't mean you are wrong or misleading or lying it just means it's not perfect like we aren't perfect and the people who wrote it on, perfect even Paul says go ahead no go ahead. Pastor Bill: [24:17] What Groggy said here on Twitch was but if the Bible isn't true then the stories aren't true then what we believe isn't true and you my friend have just nailed faith on the head. Without the possibility for doubt there is no need for faith you have to have faith. That God is real that's God sent his son that God that God that that this happened that that happened not because the Bible says it not because you believe that this book is accurate but because you have faith. In God not in this collection of stories is your mom saying you have to have faith in God not faith in the, if you have faith in the Bible then you're saying that this book is literal and true and and yada yada all these things that we've seen recently and that leads us into the next one which ties into it perfectly statement 18 modern science disproves the Bible. You can go look up a list of the ways that the Bible doesn't line up with science, and over time there's been things where the Bible and science have disagreed and it was literally that, um science then later had a revelation that made it line up with the Bible or people's interpretation of what the Bible was saying, changed later and they realized oh my gosh science got that right and we didn't understand what the Bible was saying, but then there's been other times where like David is praying and he says consider the ants who have no Queen, who works alone and you're like but we know that ants work in a colony structure and they literally have a queen. There's that instance where you can't look at what David said and say oh because he got included in the Bible what David said that literally means ants don't live in a colony and they work alone and and they don't have a queen well no, David believed that, that's all that it's their scripture is saying is David believe that the ants to and that was part of his prayer, but this whole idea of literal Bible and faith in the Bible and faith in the Bible causes not only Christians to look at the Bible and get things wrong but for people in the world so look at the Bible and go, well if they if they believe this is literal and 100% true I can find ways that it's not and so why would I ever even consider what they're saying. Pastor Newms: [26:58] And and so. Pastor Bill: [27:01] It's literally an anti-gospel position, to believe the Bible is 100% true and. Pastor Newms: [27:09] It's an interesting one so for the on 17 the Bible is 100% accurate one of the things I wrote is, the teachings and the principles are what should be focused on not the history, certain of the historical aspects in certain of the parts that are specifically just parts of letters like hey this is your man Paul like okay cool that's not necessarily inspired that's, he wrote that at the top of a letter so they knew who was writing it. Pastor Bill: [27:40] Man I left my coat when I was there last time can you bring it to me. For those of you listening to the podcast abatbrain on Twitch said I keep hearing a door shut. Pastor Newms: [27:57] Yeah sorry so um in second Timothy 3:16, all scripture is inspired by God for and is profitable for teaching rebuking correcting and training in righteousness and I think that's a part that we ignore, is that last two words of in righteousness the point of the Bible is for religious teachings religious correcting religious training not, everything else. Pastor Bill: [28:37] And a lot of people get that word inspire wrong as well. Pastor Newms: [28:39] Yes it's Breathed. Pastor Bill: [28:41] Inspired doesn't mean God whispered word for word what people should write when they were writing things that later got included in the Bible, Paul, you talked about it before Paul we look at things as in a mirror Darkly dimly lit you know, Paul's talking about looking in a polished piece of metal by candlelight and trying to describe something behind you in the room, that's back there in the dim dark with a crappy mirror this this is us when we're writing by inspiration. That is not anything like God whispering in your ear what to write. Pastor Newms: [29:20] Well and I think it's one of those where, there's a difference between an inspiration and a whisper like you said there's there's this idea people like oh well it's inspired which means. You know it's like got the Holy Spirit, then God are standing behind you and telling you exactly as opposed to hey you should probably talk about this which we've all felt as Christians that leaning towards something hey you really should probably talk to this person about such and such that's the same inspiration, they just were writing letters. Pastor Bill: [29:59] And things like when Paul's writing and he goes now I'm not sure that God sees it this way but I think he does I think God's on my side on this one, this is my opinion and I'm not sure that God holds this opinion but I think he does. Pastor Newms: [30:15] Yeah and so it's interesting when we start to look at stuff like that and I know there's a lot of people who and this is one of those things that me and you don't 100% agree on is the usage, of how you say certain things as opposed to what you're trying to say, because some people take it a lot harsher because you are more strong on this opinion whereas I'm like it's not, and you're like probably an idol and I'm like well it's, can be if you have done certain things and yeah because people are doing it right now no I understand what you're saying what this is one of the only topics we're Pastor Bill is actually harsher than I am let's be honest. And and, abatbrain said she thought the door was some sound effect I might be hitting somewhere because it's exactly the same every time and that's just coincidence. Pastor Bill: [31:18] They're just over there randomly hitting a sound effect button just like tink. Pastor Newms: [31:22] Which which let's be honest that is. Pastor Bill: [31:25] I don’t hear it in my ear bud. Pastor Newms: [31:26] That is something I would do let's be clear I mean let's be honest that is something I would do just to mess with people so it's a valid question, cuz if I was doing it, I would if I was doing it I would be like until someone says something every so many seconds that I've rolled on this dice I'm going to press this button and so um anyway number 19. Pastor Bill: [31:54] Yeah we're on the number 19 number 19. God chose the people he would save before he created the world. Pastor Newms: [32:02] Now so I want to start with this one because I made a boo-boo, when I was going through my text I made a boo-boo when I was going through and I was writing all the stuff down, I wrote disagree because I was trying to make sure I got through all of them and then I scroll back to the top and the worked back down through them to make sure I had them all. In the past I called myself a three-point calvinist Calvinism teaches that one of the, tulip one of the points of the Tulip is that. God selected everyone before and then. These are who's going to be saved the elect these are who's going to be saved everyone else is going to be saved some people even take it so far as to because of that we shouldn't even spread the gospel we shouldn't try to make disciples we shouldn't try to spread Christianity which is of course blatantly against you know the whole thing we're talking about, previously to talking about this which is we're supposed to build disciples and that involves preaching and if we're supposed to try to make disciples we can't know who the elect are so, you know I just put disagree no backup no nothing it's like just no I'm sorry, but I'm sure you probably did. Pastor Bill: [33:45] I also disagreed with this and I brought two scriptures okay for the first one Ephesians 1 chapter 4 through Ephesians chapter 1 verses 4 through 8 stick with me here okay. For he chose us in him talking about God, before the foundations of the world to be holy and blameless in love before him he predestined us, to be adopted as Sons through Jesus Christ for himself according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of his glorious Grace that he lavished on us in the beloved one the beloved one in this context is Jesus he mentioned them earlier, verse 7 in him we have Redemption through his blood the Forgiveness of our trespasses according to the riches of his grace that he richly poured out on us with all wisdom and understanding, pull the sounds like it backs up to statement doesn't it it sounds like. Pastor Newms: [34:45] No Pastor Bill: [34:47] He's talking to other Christians and he says he chose us in him to be adopted as Sons. Pastor Newms: [34:52] Now because he was. Pastor Bill: [34:53] Then we flip over to Second Peter 3:9. Pastor Newms: [34:56] He's talking about Humanity. Pastor Bill: [35:00] Mmm starting in verse 8 dear friends don't overlook this one fact with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day, the Lord does not delay his promise as some understand delay but is patient with you not wanting any to perish, all to come to repentance and then it talks about the day of the Lord's return in comes like a thief in the night, if the Lord predestined only certain people to be elected to be saved before the foundations of the world, and they're saved no matter what and those are the only people going no matter what kind of left they live right because that's the belief, then what is this disk delay that the Lord has hoping that everyone will come to repentance that everyone will be saved. It doesn't make any sense it's God's will that all, be sick not just so not just a few he didn't choose to see certain amount of people from the very beginning don't make sense. Pastor Newms: [36:07] And and the worst the worst part is can you make sure to put that scripture in the chat because I don't hear which one it was one of the, yeah please one of them one of the things I always find funny about the belief about the elect which is why I called myself a three-point calvinist because the belief of the elect is, another part of a bat another part of bat-brains you know something that a bat brain would make later, the it's a group of guano because it doesn't make any sense because. … Pastor Newms: it's crazy to think OK God chose this group of people and here's how you know, you know you were elected because you believed it if you question whether or not you were elected You're Not Elected. Pastor Bill: [38:01] Which is just that's completely. Pastor Newms: [38:05] Like ... Pastor Bill: [38:06] A cult answer from start to finish. Pastor Newms: [38:09] Like huh. Pastor Bill: [38:12] If you exercise free thought, you're obviously not chosen obviously you're not so. Pastor Newms: [38:20] It's like I doubt whether or not I ate I'm trying to remember if I took my pills each day like I don't remember if I did or didn't do did you do this, I honestly can't answer that Zaydie I don't know whether I did the thing that you're wanting to tell me that I did or not I don't remember I might have unloaded I might have put that dirty dish right there I might have you know it's so I don't know, like it's just funny to me that's like if you question then you a question did I put a shirt on today yeah no I am wearing one. Pastor Bill: [38:56] There's I think therefore I am. Pastor Newms: [38:59] Exactly exactly it. Pastor Bill: [39:00] So I think I'm saved and I guess I am I don't know. Pastor Newms: [39:04] It's absolute Bonkers okay number whatever. Pastor Bill: [39:09] All right number 20. … Pastor Bill: [39:23] Number 20 and you you jumped right into this one last week because you were like we're gonna hit that hard even though we weren't there yet 20. Hell is a real place where certain people will be punished forever. And of course we're going to jump to Revelations and I want we're going to look at verses 7 through 10 and then we're going to look at verses 14 through 15 okay that's the first thing we're going to do. All right well I guess I'll read seven through 15 then and then we'll move on all right relations 27 through 15 when the thousand years are completed okay so let's talk about. Pastor Newms: [40:09] Real quick can we just lump in 21 and be done with it. Pastor Bill: [40:14] The whole chapter. Pastor Newms: [40:15] No no no the question 21 because I actually have this written down for 21 also. Pastor Bill: [40:22] I have 11 through 15 for 21 okay yeah. Pastor Newms: [40:24] So can we just say what 21 is and. Pastor Bill: [40:27] So 20 is Hell's a real place 21. There will be a time when Jesus Christ returns to judge all the people who have lived Okay, so like I like we always do you need context sometimes you in the Bible says when the thousand years are completed Satan will be released from his prison, okay so there's this time when the Bible says that Jesus will come down and he will rule the Earth. For a thousand years, and anyone who has ever been martyred will come with him. Now this is post Rapture post and it cries post a whole bunch of stuff right as far as the timeline goes, Jesus comes back anyone who's ever been martyred comes with him they rule the Earth they rule over the Earth read a thousand years well during this Thousand Years Satan is locked in Chains in the bowels of the Earth, as punishment for everything that he's ever done the Rebellion everything at the end of that thousand years he's released scot-free, Penance paid. Right he's paid his Penance he's free to go he can step into eternity as an angel he's scot-free Satan released from his prison, but that's not what he does he doesn't go on scot-free he will go out to deceive the Nations at the Four Corners of the earth Gog and Magog to gather them for battle the number is like the sand of the sea, they came up across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the Saints. The Beloved City the in fire came down from heaven and consumed them, the devil who deceived them was thrown into the Lake of Fire and sulfur where the Beast and the false prophet are and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever that verse verse 10 right there that's hell, that's Satan or the devil, and all of the Beast and the false prophets and the fallen angels, they're all being thrown into hell to be torture, verse 11 then I saw. Pastor Newms: [42:46] Not a fun place he rules not a fun place he rules. Pastor Bill: [42:51] No not a place he rules it doesn't rule there. Pastor Newms: [42:54] Such a bad misconception. Pastor Bill: [42:57] For all of eternity, then I saw a great white throne and one seated on it Earth and Heaven fled from his presence and no place was found for them, I also saw the Dead the Great and the small standing Before the Throne and books were opened, another book was opened which is The Book of Life and the dead were judged according to their works by what was written in the books, then the sea gave up the dead that were in it and death and Hades or steel is that word the place of the dead before Christ did what he did gave up the dead that were in them, each one was judged according to their Works death and Hades so, no more death and chill were thrown into the Lake of Fire. Pastor Newms: [43:45] The places themselves. Pastor Bill: [43:46] This is the second death yeah but that the entity and the place itself this is the second death the Lake of Fire and anyone whose name was not found written in the Book of Life, was thrown into the Lake of Fire right so several books some books to judge everything you ever did while you were alive, and then the one book that actually matters the pass or fail are you in the Book of Life did you have faith you know believe and in. Like we said last time it's more complicated than that because if you're shocked if you're casting a brush over all of creation you've got people that live on islands that have never heard you've got and so, extenuating circumstances God gets to decide it's God's decision it's not our decision. Pastor Newms: [44:39] He's who writes in the book and he's the one who judges on the book so. Pastor Bill: [44:44] Jesus said the only way to the father is through him right. Pastor Newms: [44:48] Right. Pastor Bill: [44:50] Then Jesus is free to reach out, at any point did anyone in the world at any time in the right way at the right time you know it's a whole thing and it's out of my hands it's not something I can do. So yeah so that. Did you want to add anything to that? Pastor Newms: [45:12] So I touched last time hard on it because you know. I tend to go hard sometimes when I'm not paying attention and get preachy not that I've ever been overcome with that before but I think it's I think it's so important to is Hell real, yes is the hell that we understand real no is anyone. Pastor Bill: [45:40] The hell that we modernly attribute to what exists comes from Dante's Inferno. Pastor Newms: [45:46] Right is hell. A place where the devil rules and ect ect no no no it is a Lake of Fire. Pastor Bill: [46:01] It's not even a place where people are right now. Pastor Newms: [46:04] Not the right where people are currently. Pastor Bill: [46:06] Not the lake of, not hell. Pastor Newms: [46:08] Lake of Fire in its is not where people are currently no no human people, there are certain Angelic beings that are not no they're not even trapped in the Lake of Fire they're trapped in Hades aren't they. Pastor Bill: [46:24] There are there's technically would be some that are in the Lake of Fire already. Pastor Newms: [46:29] From the from the chained up you know you made a huge amount. Pastor Bill: [46:33] You would have to go to some some extra biblical text to find the proof but yeah there are there are recorded some Angelic beings that have already been cast into the Lake of Fire. Pastor Newms: [46:44] Because they get opened up there at the very you know during Revelation and let free for a little bit to you know go mess around. Pastor Bill: [46:53] Well that's a different set of angels that are. Pastor Newms: [46:55] That is a different set I know but again fuzzy. Pastor Bill: [47:00] Those are good Angels aren't even bad Angels that's right there's the good guys, they're just so powerful and so overwhelming and so that. Pastor Newms: [47:11] They're in that area between they're not in, there in that area between what was Abraham's bosom and and Sheol and in the pit area just going a we're here we're waiting we're playing cards. Pastor Bill: [47:29] Playing card. Pastor Newms: [47:30] Time all right 22. Pastor Bill: [47:35] 22. Worshiping alone or with one's family is a valid replacement for regularly attending church. Y'all. Thirty-five percent strongly agree with the statement 32% somewhat agreed 9% weren't sure 14% somewhat disagreed and ten percent strongly disagreed listen, I understand. I do not go to a regular Sunday morning serve this and I strongly disagree with this statement, it is not a valid replacement worshiping alone or with your family is not a valid, for church and the reason why Church comes from a word that means Community right from the very beginning it was that Believers of different households, we joined Believers from other households and created a community to support each other, push each other and how they could outdo each other and extravagantly loving others and loving God, you don't get that when you're alone and you don't get that when you're with immediate family you just don't, the familiarity of family breeds, contempt and another word contempt is changed meaning over the years the basically it breeds this this this idea that not only do I maybe not can't, tell this person what to do but then when I do they don't have to do it I'm telling them to do you know like you can't tell me to do that I know you used to pee in the bathtub, that kind of thing. Pastor Newms: [49:27] Or I know you still pee in the shower. Pastor Bill: [49:29] I know that you still be in the shot yeah like it it doesn't work you need people from outside that Family Circle, that you Revere that you respect that have that edge on you to push you and doing good things for others to push you into loving God, it is being alone or just being with your immediate family that is not a valid, for regularly attending church but. Pastor Newms: [49:58] Define what church is. Pastor Bill: [49:59] Isn't always. What we see as Sunday morning Gathering and Wednesday Matt Gathering and we will get to that in question number, 24 about what church is but no. Pastor Newms: [50:15] See I shoved it all in here and then in 24 I said see above so what I wrote is defined Church churches the mind, church church in my mind and the mind of early Believers were that you would gather to study and to learn with each other not just one guy, being the one that. And so I used the Acts 2:42 through 47 which they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching to the fellowship to the breaking of the bread and to prayer everyone was filled with awe and many work wonders and signs were performed through the apostles now all the Believers were together and held all things in common they sold their possessions and property and distributed the proceeds to all, as any had need every day they devoted themselves, to meeting together in the temple and broke bread from house to house the ate the food was joyful and sincere Hearts praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people every day the Lord added to their numbers those who are being saved and one of the things I found really interesting about 47 and I think this was the first time I noticed it was the early church was loved by all the people around them, because of the amount of love the early church showed which. Pastor Bill: [51:44] It's not that hard. Pastor Newms: [51:45] Very. Pastor Bill: [51:46] To endear yourself to someone it's not that hard to go up to someone and say hey what do you need, cool let's do it let's go do that thing let me let me take a couple of hours and let's go do that thing, and suddenly you've made a friend for life it's not that hard to love it's really not, it's not that hard to endear yourself to someone and make it to where they go oh my gosh you're a great friend what can I do for you how can I can I make your day as good as you've just made mine it's not that difficult to walk in love it's not, choose to make it difficult we say we are Democrat and I'm a Republican or I'm repelled you know I'm a Democrat or a Republican or oh I go to this church you got to be focused on these differences, that when you boil it down to brass tacks mean nothing and we allow those things to keep us from loving each other, the other Church didn't do that they didn't say oh will you believe in the Greek gods I can't love you or or oh you're a Roman I can't do that with you that's not what they said oh they loved their neighbors, to such an extreme that they had the favor of everyone to the point that when Paul who was Saul, came around to start killing people. It wasn't just the people in the church that were hiding the Believers the community around the Believers, them off and they would move their camp or they would hide them in their homes until Saul and his rating party left it was it was these non-believers were literally risking their lives, for these Believers because they loved them they loved the Believers because the Believers showed love. Pastor Newms: [53:38] Yeah alright number 23. Pastor Bill: [53:45] 23. Christians should be silent on issues of politics. This is one where Pastor Newms and I disagree. Um we always have and I don't know if my earbuds just died again or you can I still hear you. Pastor Newms: [54:09] I don't know can you still hear me. Pastor Bill: [54:11] Okay yes I can hear you I just wanted you to be able to interject at any point if you needed to and if my earbud had died because you're canceling ear you're canceling thing with the system to and it just I don't hear everything going on on your end but so. 17% of people strongly agree with the, 13% somewhat agree nine percent aren't sure 21% somewhat disagree and forty percent strongly disagree that Christians should be silent on issues of politics, and I get it I understand that our system is set up the way it's set up and it makes people feel, like they have to be Hands-On and that it's not only a right but it's a duty that you have to do it. But, if we take a step back from all of that and we look at politics let's first let's look at our Representatives, if I ran for Senator, I would have to represent the viewpoints of all the political parties of the people, from my area I would have to represent all over the religious beliefs of the people from my area, and for me to just go well my Christian worldview and the way I see it is the way I'm going to do it is wrong. That's not secular. That's a whole damn don't stock right now you're coming out of much bigger if I gotta put this here but in and Swap this one out. Um so that's a religious government not a secular government and you only have to go as far as to look at what's going on in Iran right now. To understand that you don't want a religious government. Pastor Newms: [56:30] Like you said this is something we disagree on and worst of all is the the wording of the question should Christians be, on the issue of politics and that's where I have my issue and say I disagree because we should not be silent in our feeling of running the country but we should be very careful not to allow our Christian views to run over others belief subsystems and try to subjugate them the whole reason why the separation of church and state exists in America is the the founding fathers did not want one religion subjugating, the whole country the whole populace they didn't want anyone to feel, like they were being subjugated by a religion which is where some of them not all of them because it depends on which country they came from it depends on lots of situations of are the founding of our nation but lots of them came from oppressive governments that oppressed them and so they were looking for, a way to not be oppressed Ed so, what I pulled for this is a lot different I pulled John 15:12 this is my command love one another as I have loved you, and the reason I pulled that verse for this is because what's so important here is. There's a difference between being silent and forcing your belief system on someone else, speaking. Of how the country should be rant we shouldn't be silent on the fact that we don't want a road through a city that's around, this or we shouldn't be silent there are certain parts of politics that we shouldn't be silent on but if we are allowing our religious beliefs to, push upon people that's that's in my opinion where there is a problem, is that difference we shouldn't be silent in politics because there's a lot of that politics that have nothing to do with religion and there's. Pastor Bill: [58:59] There's a lot of politics that have nothing to do with I mean there's a lot of government that has nothing to do with politics. Pastor Newms: [59:06] Well and again that depends on the word that depends on. Pastor Bill: [59:09] Things you're talking about building a road here or there you're talking about local government. Pastor Newms: [59:14] That's still political though, because so and so wants it because he'll make more money if you build that road so and so doesn't want it because their Farms going to be cut off from such and such it is still that is still politics that is still political the problem as you mentioned is a two party system trying to prescribe one half of the country against the other half of the country which isn't, politics that's part of politics it's just the emotionally-charged part that we all think of, everything's political small town government is sometimes more political than big government this family runs the world you know etc etc. Pastor Bill: [59:57] I know you I know you already know everything I'm gonna say in this opinion and this you know issue but I believe in prayer and just trusting God to work it out, Romans 13:1 says let everyone submit to the governing authorities since there's no Authority except from God and the authorities that exist are instituted by God, um so I just pray and trust that the, authorities that God has instituted or gonna get it right, and I know that that's not always going to work out for me but the world's not really about me the Bible's full of times where it said and God appointed, so-and-so and so-and-so didn't like the Israelites and so he imprisoned them and it's like. Okay then that's you know, it's not all about me it's about what needs to be done and so I'm on the on the side of and that's why I mean I don't know if I've ever point-blank set it on the podcast but that's why I don't vote, it's because I believe that God ordains that leadership he ordains that Authority and it's my duty to pray and then trust that God will do the things that he said he's going to do that he's going to put people in place that, we'll do the things that need to be done and that he's going to move on those people to make policy and have things happen that align with his will for our country and for my life and, you know it causes a lot of arguments when you have that opinion and you have that viewpoint but once again, it's an opinion I'm not I'm not forcing anyone to follow my opinion good Lord Lord knows I could, turn this podcast into just me talking at a camera and then arguing with people online when they disagree with me but instead there's the two of us and we definitely don't agree, on this topic at least. Pastor Newms: [1:02:06] Yeah I mean there's a lot of things we don't and that's okay because that's not the point the point of Christianity is not a set of rules should be a set of rules it's. All right number 24. Pastor Bill: [1:02:25] 24. Every Christian has an obligation to join a local church Eighteen percent strongly agree 90% somewhat agree 8% not sure 19% somewhat agree disagree and 36% strongly disagree I somewhat disagree, because I don't think necessarily it needs to be a local church or a local church organization like I said before, Church doesn't always look like a Sunday morning service or a Wednesday night service or anything like that if we look at Matthew 18. Verse 20 this is Jesus talking he says for where two or three are gathered together in my name I am there among them. Church can be as small as two or three people who are believers coming together, to urge each other to love extravagantly urge each other to love God, take care of Orphans and widows I mean that's all James thought charge was was we should be taking care of Orphans and widows that's Church, that this is simply put that's church if you think church is going and hurting yourself into a crowded room to sing a few songs listen to a sermon and then book it without ever interacting with another human being, you're not going to church you still haven't gone to church yet all you've done is gone to a pretty show. Pastor Newms: [1:04:09] Some of them are really pretty too. Pastor Bill: [1:04:12] Yeah really pretty everything to add to that one. Pastor Newms: [1:04:16] No no I think we talked about it enough amongst other ones that are above that I don't need to add anything here. Pastor Bill: [1:04:26] Okay number 25 is starting to get fun y'all are y'all ready to start. Well I figured we should go an hour and a half like we did last time and then wrap it up next week. Okay 25. Sex outside of traditional marriage is a sin. Thirty-three percent strongly agree 20% somewhat agree 5% not sure 13% somewhat disagree and 29 percent strongly disagree, you know what the issue the main issue I have with this question do you know what the main. Let's talk about peanut butter. Pastor Newms: [1:05:32] Peanut butter should only be crunchy it should never be creamy and if you eat creamy peanut butter you're wrong. Pastor Bill: [1:05:39] What is traditional peanut butter. Pastor Newms: [1:05:41] Crunchy peanut butter. Pastor Bill: [1:05:44] You think crunchy peanut butter peanuts that haven't quite been crunched enough. Pastor Newms: [1:05:47] They've been crunched enough to be classified as butter. Pastor Bill: [1:05:50] So when you go onto the the aisle in the store there is conventional peanut butter, and then there's natural peanut butter you will never find traditional peanut butter because even the peanut butter industry recognizes that there is no such thing as traditional. Pastor Newms: [1:06:14] But the correct. Pastor Bill: [1:06:16] Traditions are torture driven. Pastor Newms: [1:06:18] Correct is Crunchy just in case where I've actually farmer firmer on this is the worst possible thing this is the. Pastor Bill: [1:06:23] Are you need to stop you taking it too far you need to stop. Pastor Newms: [1:06:27] I'm making a point and begin taking it too far though. Pastor Bill: [1:06:31] There is no such thing as traditional it doesn't exist oh well I mean according to the Bible, okay are you talking about a man can have as many wives as long as he can support and please them all which is the traditional Jewish point of view from the Old Testament are you talking about I mean what are we talking about, I mean heck even. Pastor Newms: [1:06:53] If you accidentally get a prostitute married you have to marry her I mean a prostitute pregnant you have to marry her like what are we talking about traditional. Pastor Bill: [1:07:01] There's the the one story about the guy who who went and spent the night with a harlot only to then find out that it was his daughter-in-law who couldn't give a son to his son and then she got pregnant by him and then that became one of the names of the tribes of Israel like, what is this traditional Marathon you're talking about, so I put down Ephesians 5 1 through 5 right and so we're going to we're going to read that but first let's talk about Sin for a second what is sin sin has imperfections. Is it still a sin for me to wear mixed clothing two different fibers. Is it imperfect it's not it's not in perfect not in my day and age, right maybe back in the day when they were mixing a fiber that was good for clothing in a fiber that was good for food together to make clothing and then that food couldn't be eaten. Pastor Newms: [1:08:17] If your clothing causes someone to starve IE child labor in another country, but then sells it to Walmart that the Pastor Bill is wearing. Pastor Bill: [1:08:30] Nothing to worry about. Pastor Newms: [1:08:30] I don't know either I just joking. Pastor Bill: [1:08:32] Ephesians chapter 5 verses 1 through 5, therefore be imitators of God as dearly loved children and walk in love as Christ also loved us and gave himself for us a sacrificial and fragrant offering to God, but sexual immorality and impurity or greed should not even be heard of among you as is proper for sale, no sexual morality no impurity or greed, verse 4 I've seen and foolish talking or crude joking are not suitable but rather giving thanks for know and recognize this all right so what is he doing here, he's telling you what you want to hear and then a saying but wait, there's a catch okay he says for know and recognize this, every sexual sexually immoral or impure or greedy person who is an idolater. Does not have an inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God he's saying I'm not saying, sex is bad and I'm not saying, that you have to be pure in all of your sexual relationships I'm saying stop going down to the temples of the other gods and participating in their sex acts of worship. And then we take versus like that and say oh well sex outside of traditional marriage is wrong Paul said survive here in the fish, somebody said, he said don't go be worshipping idols and having sex with the Priestess the priest and the Priestess is in those out in those temples that's bad don't do that. Pastor Newms: [1:10:40] Because that's an act of worship of another guy. Pastor Bill: [1:10:40] So it strikes outside of traditional marriage of sin. You know we talked about don't do things that are going to lead you down a bad path. Pastor Newms: [1:10:51] So Pastor Bill: [1:10:52] Unprotected sex, with someone that you have no intention of making babies with or and or having committed relationship with long term that would definitely be back, unprotected sex when you know that you're carrying an STD bad is it I'm saying. Cut and dry it's not abstinence or. Pastor Newms: [1:11:15] And I think, I don't think and the verse that I pulled for this and this the same verse I'm going to use for the next one with an extra one but first Corinthians 10 23 and you everyone who knows me knows this is one of my favorite scriptures just because, it's one of those that's like argue with it go ahead everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial, everything is permissible but not everything builds up so like when you think about traditional marriage and you think about relationships and you think about boyfriends and girlfriends and boyfriends and girlfriends and boyfriends and girlfriends is that beneficial. Not always if you set yourself up in a mindset of it's fine I'll get another one. Pastor Bill: [1:12:03] Yeah most of the time teenage sex is bad. Pastor Newms: [1:12:08] Because of. Pastor Bill: [1:12:09] Teaches you this world view of have it and lose it have it and lose it have it and lose it and then when you go to have a committed relationship your mindset is on have it in. Pastor Newms: [1:12:22] I'll get married if he leaves me it's fine if he makes me mad I'll leave if she doesn't cook well it's okay I'll just get another one you know that mindset. Pastor Bill: [1:12:34] And it's harder. Pastor Newms: [1:12:35] Yeah doesn't mean. Pastor Bill: [1:12:38] Impossible I'm not even by any means. Pastor Newms: [1:12:40] Not impossible. Pastor Bill: [1:12:41] You did then you're doomed that's not what I'm saying at all. Pastor Newms: [1:12:44] No Pastor Bill: [1:12:45] There are lots of people who have had lots of premarital sex who have had you know happy marriages and and been married for a long years I'm not saying it's it's the exact rule I'm saying, is a complication it is something that makes life harder and so therefore it is something that should be approached. Pastor Newms: [1:13:12] And that's the aspect, exactly and a lot of it comes down to your relationship your mindset your you know there's a lot this gets really hairy in a lot of those types of situations, because a personal relationship with God not a, everyone is in the same relationship with God so and not everyone has the same mental struggles some people can take a drink they can drink whenever they feel like it, and they have no ill effects I can take a drink and I can drink whenever I feel like it and I have even fewer, regrets and ill effects than other people do until I realize that oh wait, I am craving it I am needing it I am that's an ill effect that other people don't have whereas I can drink all night and not have a headache the next morning so to me, you know and everyone is different and in all things we have to consider because everyone's different everyone's different. Pastor Bill: [1:14:34] Because everyone is different everyone is different so we're going to wrap up tonight on this next one. Pastor Newms: [1:14:38] I was going to say if you wrap up in between I'm going to get upset it makes no sense not to lump this one in and be done. Pastor Bill: [1:14:44] 25. Abortion is a sin. Hmm okay hmm. On a on a face value disconnected from reality I agreed with that statement. Because sin is just imperfection that's why right if sin is no more or no less than imperfection in your life then yes a portion is a sin but that's not what you're saying you're not just saying abortion is a sin. Pastor Newms: [1:15:18] That's not what the question says. Pastor Bill: [1:15:20] Abortion is a tragedy and an imperfect but if your focus, is there then you're already too late to the issue the issue isn't abortion it's the cultural failings of the church, and the government the whole kit and caboodle that led to the moment. Where a woman is left with abortion as a viable option I'm not talking emergency care. Pastor Newms: [1:16:01] That's different it's completely different. Pastor Bill: [1:16:03] Can see situations, yeah you make emergency you make an emergency call that's just that's just how it is. If anti-abortionists want to end abortion vilifying or criminalizing the women that are in these situations. Is an ineffective and quite frankly and Evil. And we need to do better. Pastor Newms: [1:16:44] Right and so I wrote a couple things I wrote Of course in answering this question I'm taking away medical necessity because, that is obviously the medical necessity. Pastor Bill: [1:17:01] Ectopic pregnancy or the mother's not going to survive. Pastor Newms: [1:17:04] Right or there or the baby isn't. Pastor Bill: [1:17:07] Different ball of Wax. Pastor Newms: [1:17:08] For example situations that we have now where we've seen in the country in the last couple of months where the baby is already passed, but because the CPT code for abortion covers removal of dead tissue, they can't have it removed so they're forced to continue it to term no know that we're not talking. Pastor Bill: [1:17:32] Times it's it's past the point where it can. Pastor Newms: [1:17:36] Yeah now. Pastor Bill: [1:17:38] Cano resorbed. Pastor Newms: [1:17:40] So in those situations I'm discounting those because if you even believe that, abortion as health care and abortion as health care are one in the same or different, we already are disconnected and that's okay but I'm discounting those because those are a given that they should be necessary because they should be, what I'm talking about is as Pastor Bill was talking about the Situation's of, using it as birth control not using it as I view it as a sin, but not for the same reasons disconnected from the situation sin is in Perfection and sadness is in Perfection and so because of that that's why I view it that way but. Pastor Bill: [1:18:32] I don't think the sin starts at the abortion though I think the sin starts, where we refuse to educate people on contraceptives the sin starts, where we refused to teach young men to take responsibilities for their actions, and that rape is bad I think the sins starts where we refuse to listen to our young women when they say they feel unsafe or uncomfortable in certain situations, like the sin starts way before the point where the woman has to make a decision. Pastor Newms: [1:19:09] Where we vilify women for what clothing they're wearing to high school because there's not a strap on their dress because it's distracting who's it distracting and why aren't we vilifying them, that not caring not loving. Pastor Bill: [1:19:25] - Vilifying them but teaching them I mean you can't vilify someone because oh my gosh your shoulder just tracks me but you can educate that person dude that's a shoulder. Pastor Newms: [1:19:42] Matthew 7 1 through 6 I also used in this, along with the Corinthians which is, do not judge so you won't be judged for you'll be judged the same standard as which you judge others and you'll be measured by the same measure you use why do you look at the Splinter in your brother's eye but not notice the beam of wood in your own and that's what we're talking about, in it's so much of this how can you say let me take that splinter out of your I look there's a beam in yours you're a hit hypocrite first take the beam of wood out of your eye and then you'll clearly see the Splinter in your brother's don't give what is Holy to dogs or toss your pearls before. Pearls Before pigs I said that right yeah or they'll trample them under their feet turn and tear you to pieces sorry, I'm so used to Pearls Before Swine when I saw the three words together in the csb using pigs instead of swine my whole brain just went out the window, the. Pastor Bill: [1:20:52] They're not actually talking about. Pastor Newms: [1:20:54] Actual pigs. Pastor Bill: [1:20:55] The animal that pork comes from. Pastor Newms: [1:20:58] The point I have their the reason I pulled that especially is the problem is is, like Pastor Bill was saying we there are so many mistakes along this whole Road that, we then try to vilify the last step, and you're like whoa what about all of this that should have been talked about we have failed, as the church-going abstinence is the only way why because the Bible says so we're because it does and then expecting, people to live that way and like we were talking about earlier in politics, bringing your religion to subjugate someone else all of these are sin all of these are issues because they're not. Pastor Bill: [1:21:58] And when things like that what was it 34 page list, of clergy members from that particular denomination that were sexual offenders during their service, some of them repeat offenders where they swept it under the rug they intimidated the woman things that you have no right. To vilify those young ladies when they're in that situation when. As a church as the church we're allowing these predators. To prey on them and create situations that, prop up and supports a systemic culture that lie to. Sin is not start at abortion is a consequence, of multiple systemic and cultural sins that led a young lady to have to make a horrible decision. And it is you can you can try to turn off your brain and turn off your emotions and numb yourself to it and over time you may be able to do that. But when you're first faced with that issue that is a horrible place to be a place that no woman should ever have to be. Ascend starts way earlier. And not necessarily with the woman. That's how I feel about that, so this was the breed Manifesto live recording of season 3 episode 96 we record live on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, he go to our website EK K dot house to see which twitch Facebook and which YouTube we are live on so that you can join us in the chat like you've heard us comment other people have done this podcast does come out on Wednesdays at 7 p.m. There is a slight delay on when it comes out now I figured it would be better to put a week delay in there, so the podcast were recording tonight will come out next Wednesday but we recorded last Sunday night will come out this Wednesday gives a little buffer there for, working on the transcript and for something comes up which is good little buffer there, all right go check out the podcast if you're a podcast Tech person send this to someone if you think it might help them and definitely you know you can go to the www.stateoftheology.com look at these statements, find out for yourself do you agree with statements do you not and why the most important part is the why, find the scripture find something to back up what you believe and if you can't find. A scriptural belief to back that up if you can't find like we talked about the Holy Spirit the one statement the Holy Spirit won't tell you to do something that violates the Bible, well it won't violate the spirit of the Bible if you can't find the spirit of what you believe in the text. Maybe you need to adjust what you believe. And make it more in line with the Holy Spirit but only you can make that decision I can't make that decision for you. Pastor Newms: [1:25:44] Huh. Pastor Bill: [1:25:46] I can't tell you what to believe and that's kind of a whole thing the Berean Manifesto were Bereans because we don't take things taught to us at face value we have to go prove it for ourselves, in the Bible and someone teaching us someone's preaching prophesying we don't take it at face value. Pastor Bill: [1:26:04] Right we go when we prove it for ourselves we own our relationship with God. I love you guys I hope you have a great week. Pastor Newms: Stay safe out there. 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Pastor Bill: [0:02] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 95 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill in the big seat today, the big chair and I'm joined by Pastor Newms in the little chair, I disabled the video for bandwidth so I don't remember where you are you're right, right here on the video with me. He's the little head today and I'm the big head today because something came out this week and I was like okay, we need to talk about this and we really need to talk about this so we're going to talk about it. … Pastor Bill: [8:29] Okay so let's move on we've got a lot to cover tonight, maybe we'll get it all done in the one hour maybe we'll go over it might be a double episode tonight and then we'll just release the second half of the podcast the next week I don't know. Pastor Newms: [8:47] Wouldn't we just record the next half next week or else we wouldn't have any of the beginning stuff next week. Pastor Bill: [8:58] I don't know we'll play it by ear. Pastor Newms: [9:13] Okay okay. Pastor Bill: [9:16] I don't know I don't know okay so this week the results of a nationwide survey came out that the survey is done every it's not every year. Pastor Newms: [9:26] It's every two years. Pastor Bill: [9:27] Every two years, and it's a group called the state of Theology and they partner with Life Way. Now life way you know you used to see them as Christian bookstores everywhere well they kind of rain to that end because, well they weren't making any money they were losing money on their you know brick and mortar stores. It's 35 statements on theology Doctrine things like this. Pastor Newms: [10:02] How many statements? Pastor Bill: [10:05] 35 Pastor Newms: [10:08] Why do I only have 32 listed. Pastor Bill: [10:14] That's an interesting question but there’s thirty five statements okay so it's 35 statements and. Pastor Newms: [10:21] Oh no oh no. Pastor Bill: [10:26] People went in and took this survey and they would answer you know based on the options given. And so we're going to go through some of these and we're going to talk about the results and the question and talk about you know a scripture or maybe not a scripture but we're going to talk about the way we see it I may say one way that's your news May see the different way, everyone listening may see a completely different way than either one of us and that's fine on most of this a couple of these it is that basic, it's either this way or you're not actually a Christian kind of thing you know. Pastor Newms: [11:12] I would agree yes. Pastor Bill: [11:15] 1. God is a perfect being and cannot make a mistake. Out of 3,000 people that responded 51 percent strongly agree, 15% somewhat agree nine percent weren't sure 10% somewhat disagreed and 15 percent strongly disagreed, that God was a perfect being and could not make a mistake. Right, so I believe God is a perfect being and that he does not make mistakes I also believe, that from my point of view I can look at something God has done, and either not see the big picture and think it was a mistake or not agree with it from my point of view and think it was a mistake, But ultimately from a grand scheme all of time expanse point of view God doesn't make mistakes and (responding to a live comment) - Biggs says our god well as, yeah there were this is off of the assumption that it is the Judeo Christian God of the Bible. Pastor Newms: [12:34] Which really plays into a future. Pastor Bill: [12:38] How do I word this correctly? Yeah it does. Pastor Newms: [12:41] So so yeah I I so this is the issue I have, overall you posit do you reckon continue with this one sorry so this is the issue I have overall so just so you know when you lean like that right there no one can see your face this is the issue I have, with this entire survey, and this is the issue I've had in this survey in past years also the wording of these questions are terrible. They are steeped in a biased belief of this is what I think whoever wrote These originally which this has been years and years and years ago so there's no telling, but it's very biased some of them are extremely christianese. Some of them aren't but, it's very much I have this set of beliefs so I'm going to ask the questions in this way not thinking about, any other situation because words like mistake what is a mistake you know um, like you mentioned I could view something that God did as I don't understand it or like it so to me it is a mistake in the perfect will of God it is not a mistake so, it's interesting to look at that in a lot of these questions is, the wording is so bad and don't worry I'll complain about English all night tonight so do be prepared the next two weeks I will be complaining about English the entire time so hold your seats and be prepared and I'll try not to blame Microsoft for anything but it is going to be English, blaming a lot so you have a scripture and I'll let you go first before I say what I was going to say because I thought you paused because you were going through it so. Pastor Bill: [14:45] So I attached Isaiah 55:8,9 to this. It says, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts and your ways are not my ways this is the Lord's declaration, for as Heaven is higher than Earth so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.” And I think that really summed up what I was saying you know like God from God's point of view you know he works on a completely different playing field than the rest of us, and he's got the you know the 100-yard view whereas we're down here in the grass just trying to see daylight you know past the blades of grass, so Pastor Newms: [15:24] And what I looked at for it, was Psalms 18:39, “His way is perfect the word of the Lord is pure he's a shield who take all he's a shield to all who take refuge in him you know his way is perfect.” because it's his way and he kind of hit go so he gets to his prerogative because he said go. So that that that's a yeah. Pastor Bill: [16:01] 2. There is one true God in three persons God the Father God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Well once again, this is really a bias question it's worded with a lot of bias in it it's bad data collection but assuming that you believe in the one true God in a one true God. It then makes another assumption that you believe in the Trinity or don't d.c. they're asking do you believe in the Trinity or you not believe the Trinity everything's not really that clear-cut there's a lot of gray there I mean the idea of the trinity, isn't even one that's expressly stated in the Bible right it's a doctrine that we've pieced together out of context clues from, well this writer said this thing and this writer said this thing and this writer said this thing and through all of that, crafted this idea of the trinitarian nature of God, but there's no one scripture that just point blank says that and we could honestly spend a whole, episode of its own by itself going through all of the stuff that leads you to believe there is a trinity in the nature of God right, but that's not what we're doing tonight and so like this isn't another one of those bad ones, fifty-four percent of people strongly agree 16% somewhat agree 11 aren't sure president 5% somewhat disagree and 14 percent strongly disagree, with that statement that was not a pause that was me moving it over to you now. Pastor Newms: [17:50] Okay so this is where this is where I'm going to complain in my in my part so, with a one true God in three persons God the Father God the son and God the holy spirit so to me with the way this question is worded. I feel it leads one to sometimes especially if you're not steeped in christianese this is one of those that's steeped in crime if you're not, you might think of three God's not three parts of one God, and three the way the trilogy Trinity is you know three people that are one that are what you know because depending on how you read that sentence where the commas are how the you know, it's an interesting thought process, because the Trinity is like you mentioned hard in and of itself and. Verse I did pull a verse for this one, just one simple one that I kind of grabbed which is Galatians 4:6 and it says “in because you are Sons God sent the spirit of his son into our hearts crying Abba Father” and, so that does talk about all three parts in one the three persons that are all parts of one God that are, three at the same time which again steeped in christianese this is the Trinity and of itself is an extremely hard concept, unless you think of Body Mind and Spirit and can they be separated can they not excetera Etc so the Trinity is hard. It's deep theological stuff this isn't a an easy one. … Pastor Bill: [20:41] 3. God accepts the worship of all religions including Christianity Judaism and Islam. okay once again so bad so bad, so bad okay so 45 percent strongly agree with the. Um 22% somewhat agree 11% are not sure 6% somewhat to disagree and 16% like me strongly disagree with this statement, that God accepts the worship of all religions that's the statement. And then it gives a cough. Pastor Newms: [21:30] Why is that the statement why is that the. Pastor Bill: [21:32] Including the Judeo-Christian religions. Pastor Newms: [21:39] All three Abrahamic religions. Pastor Bill: [21:43] Including all three Abrahamic religions and I'm like wait God accepts worship with all religions so you're saying you know Hindu Buddhism Taoism. Pastor Newms: [21:54] Jediism the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pastor Bill: [21:56] Jediism Zaroastrianism the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You're making a rather broad statement and then saying. Pastor Newms: [22:03] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [22:04] Including the Abrahamic religions. Pastor Newms: [22:08] Which I think is what throws a lot of people off with this question which is why you have so many that agree because when they, when they hear the statement well yeah all three of those religions serve the same God technically you know so. Yeah to you know and so this question is terrible because of that three. Pastor Bill: [22:36] But even in the three they should have disagreed I put John 14:6,7, “Jesus told him I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me if you know me you also know my father from now on you do know him and have seen him.” Judaism does not accept Jesus as the Messiah or believe he is the way to the father so that kicks them out of the question Islam does not believe that Jesus is the son of God. Pastor Newms: [23:17] Which which I which I agree there's a difference between is God the god of these religions. Pastor Bill: [23:24] That that would be a question where you could say oh yeah yeah they all believe they're worshiping the same entity. Pastor Newms: [23:31] Right and but I believe there's also a line between see here's the other aspect accepts worship, and has a relationship with in eternity are also. Pastor Bill: [23:48] My wife, abatsbrain, bring brought up Cain and Abel, God accepted the offering of one and rejected the offering of the other because one was doing it according to the way it had been lined up and the other one wasn't and so it's that same question. Pastor Newms: [24:05] God accepted the worship of Judaism for a long time. Follower of a follower of original Islam, you know before you know not the modern that we know today I mean God spoke to, Ishmael and you know blah blah blah you know so there's you know and he was the founder of, you know that offshoot and then it goes and goes and goes and of course it ends up where it is now which we would agree that it is not the same but, the god that they worshipped was the same, and the tenants are the same because of it and then it went to left field of course because you know people. … Pastor Newms: [25:06] Wait wait so sorry I didn't know you're ready to move on um so I did Exodus 20:3-6 which is like the obvious one for this like, which is, “Do not have any other gods beside me, do not make an idol whether it is the shape of anything in the heavens above or the earth below or the waters under the Earth Do Not Bow and worship to them do not serve them for I the Lord your God am a jealous God punishing the children for their fathers iniquities to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me but show faithful love to a thousand generations for those who love me and keep my commandments.” which is pretty much a, you know you really shouldn't worship anyone else according to biblical standards because he kind of laid that one out there so if you're praying to an idol, even if it looks like a saint I mean um oops my bad. … Pastor Bill: [26:06] 4. God learns (that should be your red flag right away) and adapts to different circumstances, Um 32 percent strongly agree 20% somewhat agree 17 aren't sure 8% somewhat disagree and 23% like me saw that big red flag and went no, absolutely not God does not learn, God knew God knows got and so I pulled Malachi I've actually have two scriptures here written down the first ones Malachi 3:6. … Pastor Bill: [26:59] “Because I the Lord hath not changed you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed” now he does not say I will never change because obviously then he became Jesus that's somewhat of a change, big change but he had not. Pastor Newms: [27:17] Taking the physical form. Pastor Bill: [27:19] Right but then there's other scriptures that people have taken to say we'll see God never ever ever in any way changes anything. Pastor Newms: [27:29] Well and and I think I think one of the big things here. Pastor Bill: [27:32] Was James written down rather was James 1:17, “Every good and perfect gift is from above coming down from the Father of Lights who does not change like shifting Shadows” So God doesn't learn something and then and then change the way he's going to do something because he learns something new, he's not like shifting Shadows where you know the clouds are moving so that the sunlight causes the shadow to change it's not like that, God doesn't learn anything new he knew from the beginning he saw the end and everything in between he there is nothing left to learn for God so that's not really a thing. Pastor Newms: [28:26] So the thing I wrote about this is you know God does not adapt because he's unchanging, in many ways it lists this through scripture and there's tons of scriptures of you know his ways doesn't change his personality doesn't his love doesn't there's there's all these different ones, that I found that you know trying to pick which one I wanted to use but they were all about aspects of God that dip that don't change his love will never change his this will never falter his you know blah blah blah blah blah. The big thing and you alluded to it is his. The way he handles things has changed because of Grace in Jesus so it's not that he adapted. Pastor Bill: [29:17] But he always he always had the proclivity to be that but we prevented him from being that. Pastor Newms: [29:27] Right and that's that's what I think that that's one of those things where it has a hard time sometimes where there are times where God changed his mind quote unquote. Pastor Bill: [29:39] I'm not quote unquote that's straight-up I Repent ever making humankind I'm gonna wipe them out with a flood that's got changing his mind. Pastor Newms: [29:50] Well well it could be God changing his mind it could be God going mean this was the worst I knew it was bad but, I knew it was bad but boo, they're just bad bad like I knew they were bad like I knew it was going to happen but looking at it it's kind of like when you do something and you know it's not going to turn out okay like you know if I try to do art, right if I try to draw something anyone who knows me in real life is seen this probably at some point unless you've been spared I will draw something, and I know it's going to be bad and then I show it to someone and they're like oh that's like bad bad like that's so bad other people are complaining about it I knew it was going to be bad but I didn't know other people were going to complain to me about how bad it was going to be to the degree that they and so I think that's part of the like God knew it was bad but then it's like in the moment this is even think this is bad bad but that doesn't mean he has changed or, that just means he has the ability to change his mind from the beginning of time and does it sometimes based on. Prayers based on situations. Pastor Bill: [31:09] Based on finding one righteous man on Earth who then said mmm don't wipe us all. Pastor Newms: [31:16] But even then but even then you know, it's kind of cool to Sodom and Gomorrah right Sodom and Gomorrah he struck them down not because he looked at him and went and they're bad because other people were crying for. Pastor Bill: [31:35] The cities around. Pastor Newms: [31:36] Because of how. Pastor Bill: [31:37] In Sodom and Gomorrah. Pastor Newms: [31:39] Right so it's one of those situations where it's, do you know these guys are so bad that other people are bringing it's not that he didn't know, but people have and it's that whole you start to deal with that whole and this is actually something that's later also, the whole aspect of asking asking I can ask and I will ask can I you know, there's that aspect of these types of situations God didn't change but God sometimes, Alters the course of his Divine will because of other situations which happened, right off the bat because we were all supposed to be naked in a garden eating fruit but one tree still to this day and I hate wearing clothes and I'm still upset about it but, it is what it is you told us we had to so I do but you know whatever. Pastor Bill: [32:40] Did I write down the wrong scripture for this next. Pastor Newms: [32:43] I didn't think I'd be able to work in the fact that I hate wearing clothes into a sermon ever that's awesome that's interesting. Pastor Bill: [32:48] 5. Biblical accounts of the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus are completely accurate, This event actually occurred. so one, accurate is a broad question that allows for to people's testimonies to contradict so math you can say one thing and Mark can say something different and they can still both be accurate, right now is it a faithful replication of events as in you'd have in a history book, not really there eyewitness accounts they're not a history text that's not what the gospels are this. Pastor Newms: [33:42] Isn't that what all history texts are though eyewitness account. Pastor Bill: [33:47] No there these are the facts that are verifiable, by multiple Witnesses and documents and records and evidence is to make historical it has to be backed up by multiple things, the gospels are simply one man's eyewitness account that he wrote down and then another man's eyewitness account that he wrote down. Pastor Newms: [34:13] I understand what you mean but I don't know if you've picked up historical text recently because they're not always verifiable and the country. Pastor Bill: [34:22] Well they're supposed to be okay so. Pastor Newms: [34:24] Yeah I'm just saying like. Pastor Bill: [34:27] I'm in the strongly agree category at 47% somewhat agree in nineteen percent not sure it 11 percent somewhat disagree at 8% and strongly disagree at 15% of people, Mr. Grogy says the winner writes history to a certain degree he's right. Pastor Newms: [34:47] Can you find the Skeptics in the room yeah they're all my family. Pastor Bill: [34:53] Romans 10:9, “If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved.” if you disagree with statement number five then you do not meet the bare minimum requirements for being a Christian as the Bible explains them to be. The event actually occurred, you have to believe that as a prerequisite for being a Christian. It just is that just that is that's that's the Bare Bones. Pastor Newms: [35:40] Yeah so. Pastor Bill: [35:40] That's what makes you a. Pastor Newms: [35:42] Didn't I didn't even put a scripture down but I just wrote without faith in the resurrection Jesus wouldn't have been the Messiah so we wouldn't have belief in him so. Pastor Bill: [35:56] So this. Pastor Newms: [35:56] Peace out like that's what that's all I wrote. Pastor Bill: [35:57] This 15% that are like I strongly disagree that Jesus you've bodily Resurrected are you gonna tell him or should I I don't I don't know. Pastor Newms: [36:08] Well but do remember not everyone in this survey is a churchgoer even. Pastor Bill: [36:15] This was intended to be a survey of only churchgoers primarily Evangelical. Pastor Newms: [36:28] No cuz there's because in the structure. Pastor Bill: [36:29] 2,300 of them are not Evangelical and 711 of them were evangelicals. Pastor Newms: [36:37] And in attendance to church 642 of these people have never been to church. Pastor Bill: [36:45] I see that yeah. Pastor Newms: [36:48] And so you know not all. Pastor Bill: [36:52] 28 of them responded that they're not sure if they've ever been to church. Pastor Newms: [36:57] Yeah I didn't I thought that one was humorous. And I truly did find the, the differences in income and education level and their answers but that's just playing with data that's not part of this conversation anyway number. Pastor Bill: [37:23] 6. Jesus is the first and greatest being created by God. So 40% of respondents follow the Arian heresy apparently and believe that Jesus is a created being. 15% somewhat agree 13% weren't sure 8% somewhat disagreed and 24% including myself, I strongly disagree that Jesus is a being created by God and was the first of those beings. Pastor Newms: [38:24] And I believe 40% of that part of that 40% doesn't understand the question because of how poorly it's written. Pastor Bill: [38:35] So I put John chapter 1 verses 1 through 18 in there. “In the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word was God he was with God” in the beginning you know on and on and on and on what number two. And then when we skip down to verse 14 “the word became flesh and dwelt among us we observed his glory the glory as the one and only son from the father full of grace and truth John testified” and then we get down to verse 17 and it identifies the person who became flesh as Jesus Christ, Verse 18 “no one has ever seen God the one and only son who is himself God is at the father's side he has revealed himself” no Jesus was not a created being, Jesus is a part of God who then gave up Divinity to become a human person. Read move on to the next one. Pastor Newms: [39:54] So I also wrote Genesis 1:26, the illusion of John 11 you know the in the beginning was the word and the Word was God in the well in 1:26 is “and then God said let us make man in our image according to our likeness” they will rule such and such and such and such and such, but, you know God used a plural there. Because we are three parts like he is three parts exactly Biggs we are just shoved into an earth suit it's a dirt sack. Pastor Bill: [40:40] 7. Jesus was a great teacher but he was not God There is literally no wrong answer to this question. Given that he was God before he was Jesus and then became a human being who was not God while he walked the Earth and then became God again after he died and rose again. Pastor Newms: [41:11] And then walk the earth some more. Pastor Bill: [41:12] And then walk the earth some more and he was a great teacher during all those different parts so I put in Philippians 2:5-11 so we can really understand what I'm saying at that point is, “adopt the same attitude as that of Christ Jesus who existing in the form of God (right so Jesus was God), did not consider equality with God as something to be exploited (so he didn't oh I'm God I'm gonna take advantage instead he emptied himself), by assuming the form of a servant (some of the translations have said gave up his divinity gave up the Divine part of himself to become a human being a lowly servant.) Even humbling himself to the point of death even to death on a cross” he was God he became not God he rose again and became God again there's no wrong answer here any of those answers would have been accepted a say acceptable, Thirty-One percent strongly agreed 22% somewhat agreed 11% were like you're going to need to be more specific that's kind of where I'm at I'm like you need to give me a little bit more specific with your question, nine percent somewhat disagreed and 27 percent strongly disagreed, which is you know the Hardline evangelicals that I went out there you saying he's not God and didn't actually think through the question all the way up I believe. Pastor Newms: [42:52] So and and part of my problem is is I refuse to go mid line because I'm a I'm a person who won't go midline ever so I put disagree because, there's that aspect of he was and now he is so even if he took on Humanity he was, is and so the was was not God makes me go no you can't you can't cuz he was. Pastor Bill: [43:22] Yeah like I said there's no wrong answer they're that. Pastor Newms: [43:25] Right right so what I put is this is funny because what I put, was what we just talked about I put John 1:14 which is in the word became flesh and dwelt among us we observed his glory the glory as one and only son of the father full of grace and truth, and then I put also John 8:24 and I didn't put it in chat when I was about to say it, “therefore I told you that you will die in your sins for you do not believe that I am he you will die in your sins” so, you know there's that even he said I am, which is which is a very dangerous statement in that culture because that is what God told, Moses it is what got you know I am and so, that was Jesus saying I am and so that's why you know I put that in there. And now we get to the fun ones. Pastor Bill: [44:35] This is the first fun one it says the Bible hates trans people. Pastor Newms: [44:39] It's not what it says it's what is. Pastor Bill: [44:44] 8. God created male and female Okay like I agree with that statement, it's a it's a factual statement about the text God created male and female now the subtext of what you're saying I disagree with, um 64 percent strongly agreed 14% somewhat agreed 97 percent were not sure 3% somewhat disagree in twelve percent strongly disagree so if we go to the text Genesis 5:2 “God created them male and female when they were created he blessed them and called them mankind” yeah, and then I wrote down Jeremiah 1:5 because this is where it actually gets interesting to me at least. Jeremiah 1:5 “I chose you before I formed you in the womb, I set you apart before you were born I appointed you a prophet to the nation's” doesn’t point blank say that God forms Us in the womb there, but it does imply that everyone is formed in the womb got stitches us together in the woman's another way it says that none of the scripture, God is not a man that he might lie or a son of man that he might change his mind as he speak and not act or promise and not fulfill, and you're probably going well what does that have to do with male or female or trans or any of that well, God created the world and humanity and he set us on our course, with certain laws of physics and Dynamics and responsibilities and we screwed the pooch right Adam and Eve ate the fruit welcomes in into our very beings into our very DNA, and so God goes in and he goes to form a person in the womb. And what does he have there to use legally without. Not fulfilling his word of giving us Authority and letting the laws that he set forth right so he uses what's there, and sometimes what's their doesn't always match what's inside. So I believe it's 100% possible, for the the items that were there to be stitched together stitch together a male. Who God originally intended to be a female, and so they have this female psyche this female spirit this female point of view and all the tools all the stuff that was there that was provided to God, could only be made into a male or vice versa there was a female but inside. Pastor Newms: [47:58] Sorry you said all the tools in it. Pastor Bill: [47:59] God intended them to be a female but the tools the matter that was provided to God, the only thing he could make out of it with something else, and I believe that's why some people are born without an arm or they're born half deaf or they're born blind or they're born one way or another, God only has certain materials to work with and he's not going to lie and make himself a liar and Rewind thousands of years of creation because all of a sudden, God's not God and we all cease to exist because the only thing holding all this craziness together is the idea the fact that God is God, and I've got isn't God anymore everything just falls apart. Pastor Newms: [48:43] So first off the reason I'm laughing is because you said the word tool a lot, and and certain people love to call certain parts tools and so it just it made me it made me like you kept going tools tools and I'm like tool because I'm 12 so, you know it works so what I wrote here is I agree of course because, the text, detect says so and then it says the first humans were male and female but the wording of this makes it seem very aggressive against all non-binary which, is of course even farther farther step than just trans you know there are people, non-binaries a much larger encompassing of you know trans and people who, there's lots covered under the whole umbrella so which is not spoken about in scripture anywhere, that I can. Pastor Bill: [49:48] I shouldn't even be a question. Pastor Newms: [49:49] That's what I'm saying it's not. Pastor Bill: [49:51] Finn was should we love everybody no matter what and Jesus said yes. Pastor Newms: [49:56] Right. Pastor Bill: [49:57] Cooks. Pastor Newms: [49:58] Yeah yeah and and so that's that's where this really comes down to and it really is especially the, the as we talked about its the wording and the the the way some of these questions are it's very much a do you agree to trans people should exist and you're like whoa whoa that's not. Pastor Bill: [50:18] But I can't just I can't I can't say this is a true or false statement like theirs. Pastor Newms: [50:25] Like this your what you're asking what you're asking me to say vs. what I believe about what you're asking me to say are two completely different things and I think that really makes this survey, garbage people. Pastor Bill: [50:43] But that's why we need to talk about it. Pastor Newms: [50:45] But yes so. Pastor Bill: [50:45] Because this is what people are talking about and they're looking at this and they're going well this is what Christians think about the world and I'm like. No that doesn't accurately represents how I feel about my neighbors. Pastor Newms: [51:03] And it doesn't accurate and again that's where it comes down to these questions are poor because it doesn't accurately represent what they mean and what people are going to take from it, and that's where these kind of questions in these kinds of surveys cause problems and cause divisiveness. But yeah and the state of and calling it the state of. Pastor Bill: [51:32] The state of. Pastor Newms: [51:35] And the state of Theology and then this is a question that's not a, theological question you're asking a morality question more than you're asking a theology question but that's beside the point asked what you mean say what these questions should be worded how they actually mean. Pastor Bill: [51:52] Same number 9. Pastor Newms: [51:53] Okay I'll wait to complain about that. Pastor Bill: [51:55] 9. The holy spirit is a force but is not a personal being thirty-three percent agree that the holy spirit is the force I'm sorry a force. That was a little Star Wars joke 26 percent yeah somewhat agree. Pastor Newms: [52:12] midi-chlorines. Pastor Bill: [52:13] We don't talk about midi-chlorians 15% are not sure 7% somewhat disagree and 19% where my people at strongly disagree, that the holy spirit is a force but not a personal thing and I wrote down John 14. Because I could look at my notes 15 through 18. Jesus talking “if you love me you will keep my Commandments and I will ask the father and he will give you another counselor to be with you forever he is the spirit of Truth, the world is unable to receive him because it doesn't see him or know him but you do know him because he remains with you and will be in you” and if you follow along with the story, Jesus references this comforter again and Point Blank tells them it's the Holy Spirit and to wait for him to arrive, after and you go on and that's what happens in Acts 2. Pastor Newms: [53:23] So, this is again this is all about wording, this is all about wording and I did not throw things at my wife as she was walking up and down the stairs and then she did not throw them back at me because I am a child, this is all about the wording of this does trip me up some I wrote disagree this spirit is a distinct part of the Trinity but it is a spirit not a physical being so the question is written in a way, that leans people to answer a certain way, I was only slightly distracted groggy huh the issue I have, is when you read personal being, right there's two things that that can come from that like he is distinct he is a being but when you read personal being and force, there's that, well he's not a person so not a person no but like the question is worded so poorly. It's that whole like I know what you're asking, but it's written really bad like like I could answer true because he is not a person because a person in our definition of person has a body, but person know being he is a distinct being so and he is a force because, he's not physical so there's there this is one of those questions where like I know what they're asking and. I disagree but the wording makes me want to pull my own ears off, if someone actually called me an actually asked me these questions I'm pretty sure they would just Mark me as no answer on all of them and hang up because they've get two questions in and their ears would be bleeding, cuz that would be a. Pastor Bill: [55:46] 10. The holy spirit gives a spiritual New Birth or new life before a person has faith in Jesus Christ. That's just poppycock I sat here and stared at the computer when I read that the first time when I was like, that's that's just that's ridiculous twenty-seven percent of people strongly agree with that statement, 23% somewhat agree 21 percent aren't sure 9% somewhat disagree in twenty percent strongly disagree, if the Holy Spirit. Pastor Newms: [56:53] 50% of that 27 percent didn't hear the word before. Pastor Bill: [56:56] Right I guess so if the holy spirit gives you a spiritual New Birth or new life before you have faith in Jesus Christ then you've attained salvation before you've attained salvation. Pastor Newms: [57:09] Well to be fair to be fair there are people who believe, there are a second Christianity who believe you are chosen in the past, before anything happened God chose who would be saved and that's actually talked about later there are people who believe that and so for the people who believe that this makes total sense, because oh yeah he he decided I'm going to have a new life before I had a new life and you're like putting. Pastor Bill: [57:48] This isn't said decided this is Gibbs this says this is this is saying those people who are elect they have they have new life a new birth when they're still before they believe that. Pastor Newms: [58:03] Some of them some of them believe that that they're perfect already. Pastor Bill: [58:08] Like they could just go out and murder a bunch of people and they would still go to heaven because they were chosen Before Time that's ridiculous. Pastor Newms: [58:17] So what verse did you right now. Pastor Bill: [58:20] The same one as for 9, “if you love me you will keep my commands and I will ask the father and he will give you another counselor” he's not you're not going to be given the counselor you're not gonna be given the Holy Spirit you're not going to have the Holy Spirit before you love Jesus and keep his commands you can't you can't hook up, you you take the horse and you hook the cart to the horse you don't put the horse behind the cart and hook the cart to the horse and then start whipping the cart like why won't this thing go. Pastor Newms: [58:56] So I wrote you know I wrote little passages for each of these as my personal notes so that way when you looked at me and I would go oh blah because, this one's heavier so I didn't want to misspeak off the cuff like I sometimes will so for number 10 I wrote disagree. And I didn't write anything else I wrote a scripture so I'll read the scripture but I wrote nothing I just wrote disagree because like you said huh, but I didn't write anything because I was like I don't have anything to write for that that is so silly my brain hurts so I wrote second Corinthians 5:17, and I said it's I said hmm, I've copied and it says “therefore if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation the old has passed away and see the new has come” you have to be, in Christ before you are a new creation this isn't a. Read the book sorry that's rude of me but some of these questions got me real hot and bothered some of these questions got me real hot and bothered. Number 11. Pastor Bill: [1:00:31] All right this is this is going to be a fun one 11. The Holy Spirit can tell me to do something which is forbidden in the Bible. Pastor Newms: [1:00:42] Do you want me to start you want me you want me to start. Pastor Bill: [1:00:49] Eleven percent strongly agree with that statement 11% somewhat agree. Pastor Newms: [1:00:54] Aha aha. Pastor Bill: [1:00:55] Sixteen percent aren't sure 11% somewhat disagree and a whopping 51% of people strongly disagree, with this statement but before I tell people what I chose. Pastor Newms: [1:01:08] Aha. Pastor Bill: [1:01:09] Imagine if you will you are Peter, in the New Testament and the Holy Spirit tells you, you can eat meat that isn't clean and you go but the Bible says I can't do that, so you must not be the Holy Spirit. Like God doesn't change but the way that he interacts with humans does, things that were forbidden for certain cultures in the Bible because it wouldn't have been good for them like eating pork because they didn't know how to take care of it, may not be forbidden for you as a person living in today in the Old Testament you couldn't wear cloth that was two different types of fibers, but that's okay today. Pastor Newms: [1:02:10] So so I know you know go ahead and say where you stand and and then I'm going to say what I wrote and why I wrote it. Pastor Bill: [1:02:18] I strongly agree with the statement that the Holy Spirit can tell me to do something which is forbidden in the Bible. Pastor Newms: [1:02:24] So I disagree and here's why, the things that we get from a holy spirit should align with scripture since we know God doesn't change and all in scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching rebuking correcting and and training in second Timothy now the reason I said this, is because of the wording of the question, the Holy Spirit can tell me to do something that is forbidden to me hope that didn't go through on Twitch. Because of the wording of the question and this is where the question is so terrible. There are people in our culture who has said things like God told me to murder my children and you're like death didn't go somewhere. Pastor Bill: [1:03:18] See that violates the spirit of the text you he won't tell you to violate the spirit of the text. Pastor Newms: [1:03:27] And that's what I mean when I say that not that. You know the Holy Spirit doesn't give Revelations doesn't give so like for example. I actually have this written later but in Romans and so will touch the, I'll put the thing out in a minute but in Romans you know everything is permissible but not everything is uplifting you know and that's not worded that way and we'll get to it in a minute because I've Canada written a couple of times but the, actually I should probably put it because we might not get there tonight so. You should know the scripture off the top of your head doo doo doo okay First Corinthians 10 23 so, because we're not going to get that we're not going to get down that far tonight the. Pastor Bill: [1:04:39] There we won't talk about sex tonight that'll be next week or the week after. Pastor Newms: [1:04:46] Oh crap what number are we on. Pastor Bill: [1:04:50] We are on number 11. Pastor Newms: [1:04:51] 11:00 okay so that's what I that's what I that's why I said the disagree, because the Holy Spirit won't need you to do something that is against the spirit of the law that doesn't mean he just won't convict you of something that he might convict someone else for that doesn't mean, if you you know there's a lot in there that is a gray area, but I wrote the disagree because of the spirit of the law who he is versus the letter of the law because the problem is this is one of those questions I know what you're asking me, I don't like how you asked it I know what you're asking but like you said if you're Peter you're. Pastor Bill: [1:05:41] I assumed they were asking about the letter of the law. Pastor Newms: [1:05:45] CI Pastor Bill: [1:05:46] Has so many Christians take it as this is they see this and they see this as a law book not a love letter this is a list of laws not as a you know. Pastor Newms: [1:05:58] And if you're looking at especially Old Testament Old Testament verses New Testament the Holy Spirit 100% did this 100% the holy spirit said now that's fine that's not that bad now that's. Pastor Bill: [1:06:11] Hey Samson pick up that Jawbone that's illegal for you to touch under religious law and go kill those men over there which is also a legal under religious law. No yeah the Holy Spirit definitely definitely doesn't care about the letter of the law. Pastor Newms: [1:06:31] But there definitely is a I understand why people are quick to go disagree and not think it through but I wrote the caveats of. Pastor Bill: [1:06:44] Without the caveat. Pastor Newms: [1:06:45] Really bad oh I. Pastor Bill: [1:06:46] Yeah without the caveat disagreeing to this statement is a very childish point of view on religion and the Holy Spirit. Pastor Newms: [1:06:58] And and makes the whole new testament almost invalid. Pastor Bill: [1:07:03] But with the caveat sigh can see how you would say disagree. Pastor Newms: [1:07:07] And that's again why these questions are so bad. Pastor Bill: [1:07:12] Hair number 12. Pastor Newms: [1:07:14] Twelve. Pastor Bill: [1:07:17] Everyone sins a. Pastor Newms: [1:07:18] Fun. Pastor Bill: [1:07:20] 12. Everyone sins a little but most people are good by Nature. twenty-seven percent strongly agree 30% 39% somewhat agree 16 work sure 14% myself included somewhat disagree and 14 percent strongly disagree, I actually have three scriptures here, we Jeremiah 17. Pastor Newms: [1:07:47] I've got a paragraph of caveats. Pastor Bill: [1:07:49] Nine through 10 then we're gonna go to Matthew 15 verses 17 through 20 then we're going to go to, if I can spell it Deuteronomy 13:9. Pastor Newms: [1:08:05] Deu that's how you spell it. Pastor Bill: [1:08:07] Yeah we don't have you D UE well I'm already in. Pastor Newms: [1:08:12] Why no deu because it's the abbreviation that's the only part I know how to spell. Pastor Bill: [1:08:16] 17 9 through 10 the heart is more deceitful than anything else and incurable, who can understand it I the Lord examine the mind I test the heart to give each according to his way according to what his actions deserve, right the heart is evil continuously Morrissey for our emergency food anything else Matthew chapter 15. Verses 17 through 20 this is Jesus talking, don't you realize that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach as the is eliminated, but what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart and this defiles a person for from the heart come evil thoughts murders adulteries sexual immorality these thefts false testimonies slander, these are the things that defile a person but eating with unwashed hands does not defile a person, violating religious law does not make you a bad person, and people aren't good by Nature their heart is deceitful and evil but that doesn't make them bad people, because it's when you act on those bad deceitful Nature's that defiles you, verse 39. Um the Lord was angry with Moses and he said I could let him go into the Promised Land. Your children whom you said would be plunder your son's who don't yet know good from Evil will enter there, I will give them the land and they will take possession of it so because the children didn't know good from Evil yet because they weren't at what people call the age of accountability, they weren't held accountable right so yeah everyone sends a little but there is this, certain time when you're young that it isn't accounted to you as unrighteousness yet, because you know the difference between Good and Evil and the heart is evil, so everyone is not good by nature but you can choose to be good, so it's this it's one another one of those that it's not that clear-cut. Pastor Newms: [1:11:07] Okay so for mine I actually wrote agree and here's why so we as humans are not perfect but that is different than being bad natured we are born that way, nature in and of itself you know the word and the connotation versus the diction of nature, the synonym Perfection of Adam flows through our veins so we are not perfect now most people, most people listen to The Guiding voice that we all have that is the holy spirit talking to us and for those of us that are not Christians and have the in filling there are still that voice that is trying to pull us towards which, there are many people who are good-natured outside of Christianity, are striving to do good as you said because they choose to do so and some people consider that part of nature, yeah then there are people who are just downright dirty, and I actually realized I just now when I was typing furiously actually wrote the word there but um I think this question is very worldly poured it where did poor. Pastor Bill: [1:12:21] Weirdly ported nice. Pastor Newms: [1:12:25] Poorly worded for the thoughts are trying to get to because I do believe everyone has a sin, a sinful nature but I believe everyone is, good-natured but good-natured and sinful nature are completely different because of the word good not perfect if it said most people are perfect by Nature well no, but good and perfect are two completely different things and so that's where for me I get that hang up of no you're not perfect no one's perfect, are you good you might be good enough you're not perfect, and that's it that's the Crux because Romans 5:12 therefore just as Sin entered the world through one man and death through sin in this way death spread to all people because all sinned none of us are perfect, and we start off not. Pastor Bill: [1:13:23] Your body is imperfect. Pastor Newms: [1:13:25] Good and perfect are completely different words which is why I think so many of these statistics need to be thrown out the window because these questions are just bad, so bad number 13. Pastor Bill: [1:13:43] 13. Even the smallest sin deserves Eternal damnation. It is is really is 15 percent strongly agree 10% somewhat agree, six percent aren't sure 11% somewhat disagree and 58% of respondents completely miss the concept, other propitiation of sins by the death of Jesus on the cross completely missed it, and said no the smallest sin doesn't deserve Eternal damnation Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” if you want to spend eternity with a perfect God then you must be perfect, sin is an imperfection, and invalidates you from eternity with a perfect God that's why we needed the sacrifice of Jesus, to take our place of imperfection to make us righteous and Justified and spiritually perfect. That's why the smallest sin deserves Turtle damnation, it's a it's a it's a heavy statement but if you want to boil it down to its like flipping on an on switch on or off switch either you are perfect or you're not either you pass or you fail. That's why we have the need for salvation because it's a pass or fail question it's not a oh you almost got there oh you you were sort of good enough it's not about good or bad it's pass or fail where you perfect or not. Pastor Newms: [1:15:52] Yeah and so what I wrote I'm assuming that pause was for me to go right sorry, so what I wrote is agree as we see, as we see in the same verse above so I reference Romans 5:12 again you know sin entered the world to all of us you know, we're all Sinners which separates us from God it's not a damnation for sinning but rather a separation from God, and sin so it's separating those two and because we are we can't not being and not being in a relationship with God, and so then I added the Revelations 20:15 because I. Pastor Bill: [1:16:44] Man you just jump straight into it didn't you. Pastor Newms: [1:16:48] I did I went straight to like. Pastor Bill: [1:16:50] You like you responded with the same. Pastor Newms: [1:16:52] I'm Nation. Pastor Bill: [1:16:53] Force that they ask the question you really you just met there there Gus too. Pastor Newms: [1:16:59] Yeah no, and everyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life was thrown into the Lake of Fire so it does not say, everyone who has sinned is thrown into the Lake of Fire it's not what it says, your damnation is not necessarily because of sin, the damnation is because of the lack of relationship, because you can't have a relationship and be in sin and we are in sin and so there's that it's a, it's a multi-step process it's not as cut and dry as six words sorry 12, seven words you know and and that's what what makes some of these questions so hard and heavy because it's like, but that's not the point the sin separates us Jesus came to fill that Gap so because of that, it's not the sit it's not the sin that dams us it's the separation that dams us and that bridge is, Jesus. Pastor Bill: [1:18:15] And if you're if you're looking at if you're looking at what we're saying what I'm saying and you're going wait a second a minute ago you said there's a certain age where you become accountable and your accountant you know you're held accountable to that sin nature, but you just said all is sinned and fallen short of the glory, did these The Book of Romans acts Revelation these aren't written for children audiences these are written to adults by an adult, to someone who's accountable to the words by someone who's accountable to the words this whole idea of, teaching people under 10 years old that they might go to hell if they said they never would have. Even that would never even cross their mind to teach that kind of thing, to someone under 13 when they were writing these scriptures that wouldn't even be a concept they would even talk about until after they became an adult like it would. Pastor Newms: [1:19:21] And because we're not going to get there, because we're not going to get there tonight and these kind of tied in for me and so I want to touch on it real quick, Revelation 20:11-15 and I saw a great white throne and when Seated on it and heaven was filled with his presence and there's no place was found for them and I also saw the Dead the great the small standing Before the Throne and the books were opened and another book was opened which is The Book of Life and the dead were judged according to their works that are written in the books and the Sea gave up the dead that were in it and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them and each one was judged according to their works. Pastor Bill: [1:19:58] First judgment. Pastor Newms: [1:20:00] So There's a there's judgments it's not just cut dry either there's multiple judgments because there are certain parts here, where you know certain things are at this point thrown into the Lake of Fire. Pastor Bill: [1:20:18] Now wait let's pause here let's pause for one second why are their judgments why are all of your actions judged. Pastor Newms: [1:20:27] It's not black and white it's not black and white. Pastor Bill: [1:20:29] It's not black and white if you were raised, in a isolated tribe in Papua New Guinea and lived your whole life and you never met someone who ever heard of Jesus and you never heard of Jesus. What black and white you're not you go to hell that's not how that works that's why the Judgment exists. Pastor Newms: [1:20:50] Where's the accountability. Pastor Bill: [1:20:56] The Judgment exists so that can be argued out with God and God can do what God does, you know and this is where we get this idea of well they were elect they weren't chosen they followed they caught on to this idea of everything that Jesus was, even though it's physically impossible for them to have ever heard the law, Paul even says it if you've never heard the law you're not accountable to the law. But that wasn't but that wasn't the command the command was To Go Make Disciples not to go make converts. Pastor Newms: [1:21:43] Certain points I know I know I know but I'm just, I'm just saying there were some people who that was there well I don't want to because if I tell someone, then they they're they're tied to. Pastor Bill: [1:22:00] So what if you grew up being taught one thing and you embraced it and then later you found out that that technically was blaspheming the Holy Spirit, and that's unforgivable what well that's what the judgement is for, you go into the judgment and God sees what you were taught that you you've had no better understanding no one who taught you better than what you knew and so you know that's up to God, if you're held accountable to that anyway. Pastor Newms: [1:22:40] Now this leads in the number 14 quite fun Lee number 14. Pastor Bill: [1:22:46] God counts a person is righteous not because of one's works but only because of one's faith in Jesus Christ now technically, the numbers on 13 and the numbers on 14 should have been the exact same, but they weren't 34% of people strongly agree. Pastor Newms: [1:23:04] But they weren't no because the questions are worded bad. Pastor Bill: [1:23:09] 3% some way agreed 10% weren't sure 13% somewhat disagreed and twenty percent strongly disagreed, um I agree I agree with that statement God council person is righteous not because of your works like because of one's faith in Christ Jesus and I wrote down Romans 3:20 to just one scripture above the one I use for this last question, um the righteousness of God. Pastor Newms: [1:23:37] What what did you say cuz. Pastor Bill: [1:23:38] Romans 3:22 “The righteousness of God is through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe since there is no distinction, no distinction between all those who believe whether Jew or Greek or Gentile slave or free is the distinction he's talking about.” Pastor Newms: [1:24:02] So I wrote agree because if you're if you're looking at righteousness this is I agree and I used Ephesians 2 8 and 9, for you are saved by grace through faith and this is not from yourselves it is God's Gift not of works so that no one can boast and I wrote agreed this one's pretty self-evident, I mean it there's a verse that literally just says, through faith not works like this one's written out pretty well like this one in this one's hard to argue in my mind if you are subscribing to Christianity, this one is kind of. Pastor Bill: [1:24:45] All right save me 15 and this will be the last one for the night, everyone is born innocent excuse me everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God, I agree with that if you've been listening the rest of the evening you know that I agree that were born in a similar state to Adam and Eve, and until you know the difference between right and wrong the difference between good and evil until you reach that age which is going to be different for everybody so you reach that age, you are considered innocent and it is accounted to you as righteousness until you know the difference between good and evil and it is at that point, that you are then accountable like say you're 23. Your Down syndrome to a point not all down syndrome there are certain Down syndrome people that they get to a certain age and they never continue progressing mentally they stay 10 or 11 or 12 mentally, it's not common it does happen them well in my mind, they I don't think they understand yet the difference between good and evil right and wrong and so technically they would still be under that Grace area of being an, there are other people that are much younger age they have some kind of trauma and they become all too familiar with good and evil right and wrong, well that's when they become accountable to knowing good and evil right and wrong, and then we talked about the idea of being in an isolated you know look there's that island off of the coast of India, that's never been visited by someone that wasn't born on the island as long as we've been recording history there's no way they have any concept of who the Hebrews were or who Moses was or Abraham was or who, Muhammad is or who Jesus is, that's not a concept that they have unless Jesus visited them in their dreams and get you know um. Pastor Newms: [1:26:59] And we won't know because no one's talked to him. Pastor Bill: [1:27:00] We won't know because always talk to them and Yuki you literally will get killed by the Indian government, by the Indian military if you try to approach the island like they're keeping it protected its this microcosm they're allowing those people to develop on their own scale, which I think is great what if you live there what is the accountability the spiritual accountability between you and God, that's between you and God and I can guarantee you that when God looks at those people he looks at those people and judges them, on a daily basis according to their own culture and their own sense of morality you know what I mean, um Pastor Newms: [1:27:49] I do but. Pastor Bill: [1:27:50] Put. Pastor Newms: [1:27:54] I wrote disagree and here's why because Romans 15:12, “Therefore just as Sin entered through the world through one man and death through sin in this way death spread to all people because all sinned” I believe that everyone has sinned. Pastor Bill: [1:28:11] You said 15:12 no. Pastor Newms: [1:28:13] This is where that question yeah 15:12 which I've already used above so. Pastor Bill: [1:28:19] Romans. Pastor Newms: [1:28:22] Everyone is born yeah. Pastor Bill: [1:28:24] Okay I was like 15:12 is and again Isaiah says the root of Jesse will appear. Pastor Newms: [1:28:31] No 5:12 my issue is again with the wording of this question, what they mean to ask is do you believe this innocent nature is what they're asking what they asked is innocence and, it's kind of like the opposite like the conversation between good and perfect it's similar in this state we are all sinners that does not mean we are all, Sinners because judged innocent and, born innocent are different so to me they could be viewed as innocent because they have followed the morality is of their culture they know right from wrong in their culture they they've done what they need to do so God will judge them accordingly, but they are born Sinners we all are, so I think there's a caveat there that again makes some of these questions not black and white. Which is funny because we've op answered opposite on some of them even though they just because of how we did in between us we interpreted. Pastor Bill: [1:29:52] And you're right in in the way they're asking the question because they have key findings, and they don't give a key finding on everyone but on number 15 I do they said the fact that almost two-thirds of evangelicals believe that humans are born in a state of Innocence reveals that the Biblical teaching of original sin is not embraced by most evangelicals started it. Pastor Newms: [1:30:16] But that's not what the question is asking to you. Pastor Bill: [1:30:19] That's not what the question says that's what the question says that all. Pastor Newms: [1:30:22] But to me it does. Pastor Bill: [1:30:23] They meant to ask but it's not what they ask. Pastor Newms: [1:30:25] To me I read because of our upbringing being different I was raised in a way that that makes sense you're not born innocent you're born a sinner You're Not Innocent but innocence is a. Pastor Bill: [1:30:36] Let's see that's not that's not the way the question came across to me from my perspective. Pastor Newms: [1:30:44] Exactly that's what's so and that's the problem so in closing since we're going to wrap up here at 15, to me that's the biggest issue with this survey is that they don't take into consideration what people mean, by their answers they're just taking their answers and anytime you ask someone you can ask me and Bill the same question a thousand times and there are times we have set at these desks, meet this desk him at that desk away from y'all in random meetings middle of a day hey I got a question what do you think about and then argue, four hours, on what does is mean what does the truly form they're like you know and, sometimes we end up agreeing at the end sometimes we end up not talking for a couple days because I'm mean. Pastor Bill: [1:31:39] Would be what is a soul and what is a. Pastor Newms: [1:31:42] Great we still don't agree on that. Pastor Bill: [1:31:45] We still don't agree on what is a soul and what is the spirit like we have completely opposite. Pastor Newms: [1:31:48] We agree. Pastor Bill: [1:31:51] Definitions we agree that everyone has both but we have complete opposite definitions of which is why. Pastor Newms: [1:31:57] Exactly and it's complete and so that's one of those things was when you deal with something like this and then someone publishes their findings and the problem with it is let's take the key findings, and compare it to what this says thirty percent of Christians don't believe in original sin we just saw someone who agreed, that everyone's born Innocent but believes in original sin you cannot make that correlation based on how these questions are worded because these questions suck, thingies balaam's. Pastor Bill: [1:32:34] Wow yeah it's bad data. Pastor Newms: [1:32:37] It's such. Pastor Bill: [1:32:38] Data it's so bad. Pastor Newms: [1:32:38] And and people are using it oh. Pastor Bill: [1:32:41] The questions are bad the the answer options are bad the fact that there's nowhere for you to explain so that outliers can be removed to stop from skewing the data doesn't exist. Pastor Newms: [1:32:54] The fact that we only have 3000 people answering it. Pastor Bill: [1:32:58] Right if you submitted this to any serious data analytics, person company anything this would get laughed out of the room it absolutely is horrible. Pastor Newms: [1:33:10] It's not a good cross-section. Pastor Bill: [1:33:11] This is what people are talking about, people are talking about this in Tick-Tock to talking about social media people who aren't Christian or grabbing a hold of this and going did you see what they believe now what they are talking about you and me what they believe now and I'm like that doesn't represent, what I believe that isn't were to represent what I believe most Christians believe. Pastor Newms: [1:33:33] And there are certain. Pastor Bill: [1:33:34] I think that represents that represents a skewed collection of data based off of what I'm a minority of rich, people who claim to be Christians believe. Pastor Newms: [1:33:48] Well and also. Pastor Bill: [1:33:49] But that doesn't represent us as a whole. Pastor Newms: [1:33:51] And also I thought it was funny there was a particular person who's a, clergyman I don't remember what they're called in their SEC their denomination of Christianity and they're like see everyone's coming to our side now, and you're like. Pastor Bill: [1:34:06] Unitarianism yeah. Pastor Newms: [1:34:07] Yeah and I'm like are they or do they not understand the questions because human beings don't understand what they're being asked because they're being asked it wrong but anyway, that's all I have. 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S3Ep94- Should We Be Intimate? Pastor Bill And Pastor Newms

Pastor Newms: [0:00] And hello wait that's not how you start we start with, hello and welcome to season 3 episode 94 of the Breen Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm pastor newms and Pastor Bill is still down here. In the little corner, for the next three weeks I think it is before you start taking the big Corner again because we've got three three more weeks of this, podcast I mean of this series Pastor Bill: [0:42] I guess in three weeks I'll take the big screen back. My week was. [1:01] Rotated my mattress. Pastor Newms: [1:02] You rotated your. If that is the highlight of your week we need to talk. Pastor Bill: [1:16] That was the highlight of my week. [1:32] Yeah not a whole bunch but yeah. Pastor Newms: [1:34] We didn't stream because my week was crazy we. We did something kind of cool seven days ago that I didn't realize until tonight, because I'm real bad at paying attention to things sometimes because I'm really really bad at life we got our first donation on our. Pastor Bill: [2:23] Heights a mole air horn. Pastor Newms: [2:27] It was mr. groggy because we love him so it was it's good that we got it. But the it is you know family member so it wasn't like a random Watcher but I mean the Trevor Project, is a good, charity so you know money is money so yeah that was kind of cool I noticed it when I logged in today it was like 7 days ago and I was like oh I missed that oops that must have happened last week during church I'm bad big says you have a very weak air horn. Pastor Bill: [3:14] Yeah well. Pastor Newms: [3:15] So that's one of those things so so what else do you. Haha your your screen your mic modulation is straight up ignoring that noise and assuming assuming it's gross background noise. Pastor Bill: [3:37] That's a funny. Pastor Newms: [3:38] Like we see you put it up there we see it light up and we see you go because you're excited and then nothing. Pastor Bill: [3:45] Nothing. Pastor Newms: [3:48] It was quite humorous like. Pastor Bill: [3:51] No Sly screwdriver noise whatsoever just. Pastor Newms: [3:53] Your Sonic I think your Sonic is broken ha ha. Pastor Bill: [3:57] Sonic doesn't Sonic bro. Pastor Newms: [3:59] Yeah I think you just have an LED screwdriver so your week was just kind of normal. [4:25] Chest hair you were. Pastor Bill: [4:25] There's all still there yeah. Pastor Newms: [4:28] Um what are you looking at down there just hair that makes sense. Pastor Bill: [4:33] The top of my belly I guess I don't know. Pastor Newms: [4:35] Top of my belt I do I feel you on that one I have I have hair just the. My week was interesting I started out. Pastor Bill: [5:02] Father think too much information to know that you have hair all over your body. Pastor Newms: [5:15] But to be fair he actually has slightly more hair on his head. Pastor Bill: [5:21] We'll be fine. Pastor Newms: [5:22] To be fair or so my week was weird this week, I worked a lot I, well Monday morning I woke up and it was it was a it I'm in the middle of a gout flare, and it is painful and so I spent most of my week working and then laying down so we have there's a couch here that you can't see because Pastor bills heads in front of it there's a couch right here, we're past your bills head is and it's a futon couch that came with, when says moved in and so when he got a bed for his bedroom there was enough room in it for the couch thing and his so the little settee that was here is gone, and there's now this couch right here right here and so um, multiple times this week it was like okay I'm done with work I don't feel like going downstairs I just go over there and lay down so. Pastor Bill: [6:41] Lay down right here in the room. Pastor Newms: [6:43] I just watch whatever says was doing and then play on my phone and put my feet up and so that was most of my week, taking some extra fat. Pastor Bill: [6:55] Today I called and groggy answered the phone and he was like gnomes is asleep oh okay. Pastor Newms: [7:02] And so that's that's that's where we're going to go next the weird things that happened this weekend and my beard hair has gotten in my headset I hate when that happens the, the hair right here curls and it curls enough that it's under this that it then, gets in my ear and it I didn't straighten my beard before we started tonight so sorry listeners you had to deal with that so Friday, we had DND like normal. Your son's game that was fun but because of my increased vitamins and stuff I missed part of that because I was sick because charcoal, taking activated charcoal does some stuff to systems makes you a little sticky sometimes so we did the end, yeah we did the Indie like normal then Saturday rolled around, and we ended up canceling Monday Bible study in the morning on Saturday the family bible study because there was just a lot of family stuff going on different people in different places. Pastor Bill: [8:18] So when we do what we're doing tonight are we going to get a week ahead again. Because last week we were like we're week ahead we should pick back up next week. Pastor Newms: [8:29] I know we are but that's okay I'm just plugging through hopefully I won't get extremely nauseous directly after this and I won't, not do the post like I'm supposed to do but it will be fine we'll be fine it'll be fine it'll be fine I'll be fine. Pastor Bill: [8:49] That'll be fine. Pastor Newms: [8:51] Several people in the family bible study can't even use, which witch or listen to podcasts so Biggs will realize it glorious realize you know it is all good, I do have a couple other family members that do listen to it when the podcast comes out and we love that they do as well because that's fun. So we'll see if they notice because I'm not going to say anything this time because I said something about it last time but I'm not going to this time and so, we had to cancel it and so I was like okay and it was funny because when we cancelled it didn't the cats like the cats like new so then my my boy cat, Amy and then the other cat that hangs out in my room all the time Shila both, one of them lay on my pillow and one of them laid next to me like okay cool we're not getting up and I'm like how do they know we're not cats cats gravy like so and then we woke up and then we had. Pastor Bill: [9:59] It out of my head. Pastor Newms: [10:12] How. The the best is actually here he's downstairs groggy is and so he Chi is doing her do not leave groggy at all because she, knows that groggy leaves after dinner and he only stays one night and then he leaves and so she's not leaving, his lap, and it's a cert we call it her don't leave ritual because she just follows him around the house when he goes to get a drink or anything and then sits on him the whole time it's really funny so, groggy was some he was actually in town visiting a different family member and he called Tina and he was like can I can I come over, and she's like sure and so he came over. [11:04] And I'd lay down take a nap and so then he gets here and he like you said you called me and he answered the phone well then I had to run out because I bought most of what I needed for dinner but I didn't buy everything. And I was like okay let me go get a couple things and then I'll come home cooked dinner so came home start cooking dinner and I've got nice Grill it's not an amazing girl yeah and and groggy had no intention on spending the night or staying he was just going to stop by because he was in town, and of course that doesn't work because I'm very needy and I tend to beg, and the girls beg all the time so he of course was the cuckoo Castle spend the night so. Pastor Bill: [11:47] Mmm okay fine. Pastor Newms: [11:50] Yeah okay fine especially when Serphiona was like by the way I just made the bed upstairs I cleaned the room and made the bed so you can sleep up there and he's like but I wasn't going to, all right fine it's fine so I start to grill now a couple weeks ago when I grill. [12:10] I told Tina I was like Zaydie look, I need to clean the grill there is too much grease buildup in the bottom of the grill I need to clean the grill I need you to help me remember to clean the grill, I did not remember to clean the grill so I start grilling the burgers no big deal everything's fine everything's fine flipping the burgers once they get the the juice on the top so that. [12:39] You know you know once you know that the juice is risen so then you flip them and you know using cook them low and slow so that way you don't burn them it you know all the things you need to do go inside and I'll make it macaroni and cheese inside and I was making mashed potatoes inside and I was making I think that was all I was making, inside so now go back outside and I flip them all, and there's a little bit of a poof on one of the area's right because that happens when you are cooking Burgers over gasps you know you know cuz, grease and I'm like alright cool no problem tonight, you know Pat the top of the burger is flip you know rotating around because I do have one hot spot in my grill and rotate them all and then I kind of half turn around and the fire has not gone down it has actually caught, the bottom underneath the flame where the grease had built up. That caught fire and so all of a sudden the fire is like taller than me and, it's not hitting the house but it's taller than me and it's just fire and I'm like oh I'm sorry I crack the door and and I'm like. Pastor Bill: [13:56] This sounds familiar. Pastor Newms: [13:58] It does this is why I made you wait so that way you could and I was and I opened the door and I was like water now and they bring me this big thing, and I dump the water on it well if you smother it it does go out and so it did it went out. He's got to use more water than I know it's not how you should handle it huh. Pastor Bill: [14:19] Their edges to catch the water is that what you're saying. Pastor Newms: [14:21] Yeah yeah because they're because it was because it's it's the bottom of the grill it's the inside of the grill so once you dump the water the water you know Smothers the fire that's there, cuz I know I know grease fires a No-No you don't throw water on a grease fire unless you can smother which I did so. Pastor Bill: [14:43] Was there much you know unless you're intending to make the grease fire spread. Pastor Newms: [14:47] Yeah yeah. Pastor Bill: [14:48] Then you can add water to it but. Pastor Newms: [14:50] So Now for those of you out there in Internet land and listening land what's funny about this is, about six months before I moved from Texas to Tennessee so about almost three years ago now, zadie was cooking Burgers walked away from the grill it was an older Grill and one of the. Regulators that controls you know how much gas do you put in went out and so it started pouring gas into the grill and actually like, basically borderline flamed the grill out to which someone came running into our trailer at the time and. [15:41] Grabbed the girls one of our neighbors yelling your house is on fire grab the girls grab the cats, move the cars and we ended up with like hockey pucks and the fire department was already on its way and it was just around the corner so it was real fast but it, that was not anyone's fault this one, was straight-up my fault that one no one's fault a regulator went bad, not Zaydie this one straight up my fault so we had to throw away we had these big plastic things outside to hold it hold on my grill stuff, I melted part of the side of it so those got taken to the dump today and Zaydie dried the hamburgers because of course they were, they were I was like like moments from them being done, you know I had checked the temperature and I was just rotating to get the right amount of nice grill marks on certain ones on the outside and so I'd moved all the ones outside and sit the middle just and. [16:55] So they were still good one of them was a little overdone which I ate that one because I, only wanted one Burger anyway and so I ate the one that was a little overdone I think but it was it was good because nothing got damaged and I think a trip but and the grills functional I've already tested at clean but I so then this morning, that was my last night and so I spent like 20 minutes last night, cleaning the grill like you know just making sure it was cooled off make sure you know assessing damage you know blah blah blah and then this morning when I got up I immediately. [17:35] Went out there took apart the grill cleaned all the grease you know etcetera Etc threw everything away, but yeah so that was my humorous oh my goodness what did you just do experience, and then Biggs came over and we went to, Lowe's and got the board and the trim to frame the puzzle that we finished. [18:11] Last week week before last I don't remember which week it was, and so we glued that today and we cut the you know cut the trim so that way it's sitting nice because it's so big that you can't buy a frame for it the Frank any frame, big enough would actually have to be a custom frame not one that you can even like, go buy some pieces and you know blah blah he actually have to buy the Plexiglas Bible and it was, very expensive and so we just went and bought you know the stuff they make cork boards out of not corkboards pegboards where there, the pegboard were there glossy on one side and the other side like almost, cloth feely but it's not cloth yeah but it's composite and it's got all the holes drilled in it well we got a piece of that board that's that small thickness, pre hole cut because they sell that and so that way you can drill your own holes and just you know have it not a full pegboard. [19:15] And so we bought one of those we of course flipped it over so that glue seeps into that composite also to get that puzzle real good in, down and then we bought a trim that we did the 45 degree angles so we can put it on there and so at some point soon I'll have that and that might actually take the place of The Boondock Saints The Same, it moved I don't know for sure but I was thinking that might be one of the places that it might end up right next to the Saints I haven't fully decided I think the science might come over, and it go above the thing or the Saints might move that way I don't know where it's going to go yet, the Saints might go right here actually but, so yeah that was my crazy weekend of just like oh my gosh I can post burnt the house down. Pastor Bill: [20:15] All right oof. Pastor Newms: [20:15] So yeah and that's why I never came back after dinner when I was like we're going to stream after dinner and then I was like no we're not never mind and you're like. Pastor Bill: [20:28] Never came back. Pastor Newms: [20:29] You're like a I've never yet never came back until it. Pastor Bill: [20:32] He never came back. Pastor Newms: [20:34] Super late because I spent the whole time doing that and never never really recovered, so Pastor Bill: [20:47] All right did your your week to draw a card. Pastor Newms: [20:51] Oh We got to know the pastor's I tried to burn the house down there we're done for the week what's the most traumatic thing that happened to you this week if you had to describe your personality in terms of a farm animal. [21:11] What animal would you choose I'll let you go first Pastor Bill what animal would you be if you had to choose a farm animal, to be. What farm animal. Pastor Bill: [21:36] I guess I'd be the hound dog you know the one that when it came to the farm has a puppy it was all exuberance and and you never knew what it was gonna do and now it's old and tired and just wants to sit on the porch and. Not do anything anymore. Pastor Newms: [21:54] All right. Hmm this is hard such a hard description oh yeah I'd be an ass I would be the donkey let's be honest I'm stubborn as a mule I'm functional I'll help you if I feel like it. Pastor Bill: [22:27] Yeah I was gonna say rooster. Pastor Newms: [22:29] Where are you. Pastor Bill: [22:31] And yeah and groggy said it on a hunt witches well. Pastor Newms: [22:35] Now why do you say rooster because I'm loud and obnoxious that's rude. Pastor Bill: [22:41] Well a rooster rooster does that thing where they're protective and there they've got that caustic personality, and they'll come in they'll spur you and then a few minutes later they'll be like oh I love that you give me food and I'm gonna hang out with you and be sweet now. Pastor Newms: [23:03] I heard it I heard an interesting things. So it's one of those things where and the Lord sometimes has to whip to get me to move. The right direction I'll go. Pastor Bill: [23:33] Did you just say the Lord is your Balaam. Pastor Newms: [23:35] No I said that I am no I would never say that because Balaam was, an idiot but. There are times when yes as 80 said zaidi just said sometimes I have a really hard time listening and following, like if you pull me I'm immediately going to be like know why are you pulling me for don't you don't get to lead me I'm going where I'm going stop, but no but I need you to go forward I don't want it no and then God's like Excuse me yes you are and the little you know and you're like oh okay yeah sure we'll go that way oh I see why we were going that way that makes sense I should have went this way you're right you're right you're right yeah I suppose that's why I think of myself as a donkey I do have to wake the whole house up so that rooster would work because there are lots of days where I have to be the one to wake everybody up. Pastor Bill: [24:37] Are you more of a donkey or more of a mule. [24:46] Because like there's a donkey. That who knows why people keep donkeys I have no idea and then there's the mule which is basically half horse half donkey, which is what people actually ride on it's actually what Balaam would have been writing on it can carry packs you know and it's actually useful. Pastor Newms: [25:06] People keep donkeys to make mules I mean that's because mules can't reproduce. Pastor Bill: [25:16] Mules are yeah because once you once you mix that horse and that donkey together it's a sterile creates a sterile thing. Pastor Newms: [25:25] That's why people keep donkeys is to make mules and I've made several stubborn entity's in my life. [25:39] All right. Pastor Bill: [25:40] In the analogy of the lordly you know the Lord uses you to blah blah blah then you'd be more the mule than you would the Donkey. [25:55] Donkeys have that that rear kick that really strong beer kick and when they get spooked and so I can see them using donkeys to help guard kettle. Pastor Newms: [26:07] But wouldn't you just use cattle dogs. [26:15] I don't know I mean Biggs is more country than either of us so if he said it is probably true. Pastor Bill: [26:24] This is more country than I am. Pastor Newms: [26:25] No no he's more for me than you are. Pastor Bill: [26:35] Okay okay okay that makes sense yeah I'll give you that one. Pastor Newms: [26:38] All right so this week this week we are talking about. Pastor Bill: [26:50] Well we're still undecided bullshit. Pastor Newms: [26:51] We're talking about discipleship that's right the title of tonight's. Gross I almost said message the title of tonight's talk the meeting were having is. Should we be intimate and the reason why. Is one I like to have funny titles but more importantly is you know we're following. And working through, I'm in our personal lives because you bought the book too so we're working through in our personal lives the the book by Tony Evans, the kingdom disciples and that's what we are basing you know this discussion on is as we study this we're kind of talking about it. And that's one of the things he's talking about in discipleship one of the needs of discipleship is intimacy with God. And. Pastor Bill: [27:54] And intimacy despite modern contextual does not mean a sexual relationship. Pastor Newms: [28:04] Right. Pastor Bill: [28:04] You can have intimacy with a with with god with another human being and and not be romantic and it not be sexual it can just be a close intimate relationship. Pastor Newms: [28:15] Right and she'll like the the actual, dictionary definition is close familiarity friendship closeness, so you know words that you could also use for poor like you said familiarity togetherness. And then there is the secondary that is used nowadays which is you know the intimate act or private and cozy atmosphere. [28:51] But that intimacy that we have is important because one of the things we're always talking about is Christianity. Is not about the religion it's about the relationship and taking that step between quote-unquote salvation being a Christian that first step towards discipleship, that we take the is building that intimacy and closeness with. God having a relationship not just having a religion and one of the things that, and I found that to be a really interesting statement. So many people who practice Christianity but don't. [30:05] Do it you know they're a part of it they claim it they say they are they but they don't actually have that intimate closeness they're just following the Motions of Christianity they're not living, in Christianity and I think that is real big and happens, in the last time we had a full conversation we talked about, auditing a college course is similar to you know there are people auditing Christianity and so you know we talked about that, last time and it's the same thing there are people just walking the walk they're walking the religion they're part of the religion but they do not have the actual relationship and they're not working towards that intimacy there just. [30:52] I'm sitting in my Pew I am singing my song I am being nice to my neighbor I am paying my tithe I am doing the things God has I wrote down that we have to do and you're like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa that's not the point, the point is the things that we do are supposed to be the outpouring of our relationship, because we want to not because we do them to be a Christian it's a it's the outpouring of it, you look like you're about to say something before I go to the next thing I wanted to say. Really cuz there was a lot of white which means you were looking something up are you sure. You do the same thing you do to me when it gets really white and you're like you're Googling something what did you refine so. [31:48] The first scripture I wanted to look at was John 15, around this intimacy aspect and we're going to start in verse 1 and then I forgot to write down the other scripture that's in First Corinthians that we're going to look at later maybe, bill can find that because he knows which one I'm talking about that was talked about but I have to find it so, I'm going to start this is the parable of the Vine, in 15 1 which is I am the True Vine and my father is the gardener every branch in me that does not produce fruit he removes and he prunes every branch that produces fruit so that it produces more fruit, you are already clean because of the word I've spoken to you remain in me and I in you just as the branch, isn't able to produce fruit by itself unless it remains on the vine neither can you unless you remain in me I am the vine you are the branches the one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit because you can do nothing without me, if anyone does not remain in me he is thrown aside they gather them throw them up in the fire and they are burned. [33:07] If you remain in me and my work my words remain in you ask whatever you want it'll be done my father is glorified by this that you produce much fruit, and prove to be my disciples as the father has loved me I have loved you remain in my love, keep my Commandments you will remain in my love just as I have kept my father's Commandments and remain in his love I've told you these things so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete, this is my command love one another as I have loved you no greater love than this to lay down his life for his friends you are my friends, if you do what I command you I do not call you servants anymore because the servant does not know what his master is doing I call you friends because I've made known to you, everything I have heard from my father you did not choose me but I chose you I appointed you to go and produce fruit that your fruit should remain so whatever you ask of, the father in my name he will give you this is what I command you love one another so to a couple things I want to pull out of this one is. So often everyone quotes the one thing you know what's the best commandment you know love the got love thy God and, do that love others as yourself move on. [34:30] In this passage in John I always find it interesting jesus takes it a step farther love others because I loved you, and in that one hurts a little more for those of us that struggle with liking other people because that one is like, okay. This isn't even have like a caveat of like yourself because of yourself if you know it's just straight up like you should love others because I like you and you're like oh yeah sure and then again. Digital Data love other love one another and then it you know it goes on in the next passage about how you know the world will hate us we just talked about it in the past John 15:18 but I find it interesting love one another period, now I know periods weren't in the original manuscript but you know what I mean and it's like if the world hates you is that beginning of the next part which. [35:32] Is it stated before the love but it's stated in such a way that's like you should love everyone, a lot of people are going to hate you though and that's, doesn't matter I stated the love part first on purpose and you're like oh yeah okay that's that's that's valid so that's one of the aspects that I wanted to point out about about this is the whole thing about love is so important loving others blah blah blah but the other, what's wrong. Pastor Bill: [36:05] I had something to say two things one. And John 15:18 when it says if the world hates you would we've talked about it before but that word. Pastor Newms: [36:17] Right. Pastor Bill: [36:19] Um used there is a figurative word meaning moral world's the morally world, he's talking about the religious World there in that context if the religious order hates you. When you're loving everyone it's because they don't love me Jesus They Don't Love don't love God you know that's why they hate that you're loving everyone, um and then 1512. John 15:12 this is my commandment that you love one another as I have loved you why does this remind me of The Princess Bride. And that night the king died and Prince Humperdinck and Buttercup were married and the next day a prince King Humperdinck addressed the people my father's last words will love her, as I loved her why does it remind me of that scene. Pastor Newms: [37:16] I'm not sure but okay. Pastor Bill: [37:19] Anyway. If we compare around well God with all your heart soul mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself if the compound that into. Love one another as I have loved you. Then Jesus could all very easily also be saying here to love yourself. The way that Jesus loves you. Pastor Newms: [37:50] That is a hundred percent accurate yes. Pastor Bill: [37:55] Right because you have to know how to love yourself and then out of that extension then you love your neighbor as yourself. How do you love yourself you love yourself the way Jesus loves you, how does Jesus love you will Jesus wants the best for you once the healthiest for you he wants it's right for you he doesn't want you have to do things multiple times he doesn't want you to be left high dry and lonely on and on and on and you know what I mean, um smell of yourself, the way Jesus loves you make those decisions that align with well what is what what is the best for me what does the person who literally died for me what would he choose for me in this situation. What you know and choose that so those are the things I had to add about that little segment there. Pastor Newms: [38:48] Okay and and I agree definitely it is it is an extremely valid point of that. As we look at what Jesus says ever or what you know anywhere in the Bible we should look at the whole thing so when we combine those two aspects it isn't interesting. Thought process. Pastor Bill: [39:22] I know I know Paul later on says no man is ever hated himself but nourishes the body I'm sorry Paul your words did not age well in that instance. Pastor Newms: [39:35] Well and I will agree and on the flip side of it. I sometimes wonder if Paul wasn't overcompensating some depressive thoughts himself it's some of what he says with a situation like that. Pastor Bill: [39:59] I think Paul does a lot of overcompensating for his own issues in a lot of things that he talks about. Pastor Newms: [40:04] Cuz it's like yeah it's a because he's so down on himself so often in other parts of scripture when he says something like that you're like. Pastor Bill: [40:15] Now guys remember I told you not to have sexual relations with other guys and then the people reading the letters are like. Is he talking to me is he talking to hear who the heck is he talking to none of us none of us here do that Paul. That's not even part of our culture Paul. Pastor Newms: [40:35] Wrong wrong letter run letter you meant to send that to the Romans. Pastor Bill: [40:41] Give it good to you must submit so there's somebody else or I don't know maybe it was just on your mind Paul. Pastor Newms: [40:47] It is interesting some of the things that Paul says often so with. [40:59] Ron God I don't worship that God why would you tell me not to do that in worship of a God that I don't worship, I'm confused so one of the interesting things the second interesting thing about this is talking about, you know a Vine and a branch and when you look at that vine and branch in a Vineyard, and I don't I only know this because of what I've been told let's be clear because I don't, drink wine like wine I don't even like grapes that much but you have to have a support structure for the vine the Vine, if it's on the ground it'll die if it's on the it's now I do know this as a fact with cucumbers and green beans that they have to have something to grow on and tomatoes to a certain degree they have to have something to grow on those Vine, they can't just grow like a potato potatoes can their Vine the grow underground and it's it's a weird I system that's true potatoes are weird fruit vegetable whatever but. [42:21] With a grape with different fruits like that it can't survive without that support structure and. [42:32] It's not going to Bear good fruit without that support structure it'll be a Vine it'll Vine across the ground it might or might not die but it's just going to vine across the ground no big deal, but it won't bear that fruit unless it has that support structure and and so often that's how we are as humans without. Does support in the relationship in the intimacy of the Christian walk we won't do the things that. We should be doing not to say that no one can not to say that no one does but the fruit that the God wants we can't produce if we're not listening to what God wants us to do, we might produce fruit but it's not going to be the fruit that he wants us to produce if we're not listening and being close with God. [43:31] So that's that was kind of the the reason why that one stood out to me was that, Vine and closeness in and the fruit that we should be showing as Christians and being a light to the world and being, you know working on building disciples and working on you know helping others to grow we can't do that unless we're close to God ourselves, obviously they have not heard from God because they're just bearing some kind of strange fruit because they are not actually close to their Branch not that we will ever name names on here, you know who you are anyway. Pastor Bill: [44:20] You know who. Pastor Newms: [44:21] You know who you are so that that's that's the one I kind of wanted to look at in that area. Did you have any other points about that before I while I look for the other verse that I'm looking for. Pastor Bill: [44:42] So I had Adam I wanted to talk about this abide thing, and it's connection with intimacy because it dare in John 15 Jesus says it over and over again if you abide in me and I abide in you. And this idea of bide it's this this Greek word Mentos minnow, and it means to stay in a given Place State relationship or expectancy abide continued well endure the present remain stand Terry, hold your own you know like. You get that idea of like in the movie 300 when they get all their Shields together in their standing their ground abide you know hold your own. Um this is the ideas that this word expresses and so Jesus uses that over and over and over again abide in me as I abide in you, and it creates this this close intimacy when you're abiding in that area but I specifically wanted to point out in John 21. [46:06] 22 it says Jesus saith unto them I'm reading out of the King James at the moment if I will that's not right why did I write that down. [46:24] Hope that's not the verse I was looking for but I wrote it down for some reason. [46:39] Who had to write that down. Pastor Newms: [46:41] It does have the word remain in it. Pastor Bill: [46:44] It has it but that's not the verse that I was going to talk about. Pastor Newms: [46:47] It has the. Pastor Bill: [46:53] Okay so we'll do it with not the reference all right so there's there's the time that you know there at the end and Jesus says go into Jerusalem and abide there until the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And so. The given these orders as a group to go and abide in this area right so most of them at this point have been doing excuse me. Ministry together you know shoulder-to-shoulder face-to-face with the people. Now they had to replace two of the disciples right at right at the Forefront there, and so they replace them with two you know two new people so 10 of these guys they've been in in the thick of it for the last three years, at this point Jesus old followers come back out of the woodwork so there's probably about 120 150 of them all biting in Jerusalem, and every day they're going to the temple and they're praying and they're talking to people and they're they're just kind of hanging out and the whole idea here is that. [48:11] They're becoming intimate with each other, because they've never had time to do that this whole time they've been focused on Jesus or focus on Ministry to the people Jesus or minister to the people not each other they're not really building these interconnects relationships. And so this is the point where they're starting to build the structure of the relationships with each other that's actually going to support the new church right the new church is going to sit on top of those relationships, and so their abiding in this area all 120 150 of them getting to know each other becoming the beginning of this structure. [48:51] But not only that, the people in the city are starting to see them and get familiar with them they're becoming starting to have this intimate idea of who these men are these men and women who they really are, can they trust them do you know do they believe in them is it somebody you would want to babysit your kids you know they're learning this about these men. So then when the day of Pentecost hits and the Holy Spirit falls on these people that are in the upper room it's people that, the Staples in the city the Craftsman the the merchants the the ladies you know that are making clothes for the kids and getting water and and cooking and all of these people, the priesthood they've all been living in and around these men. [49:47] For a certain amount of time this extended amount of time and when the Holy Spirit hits and they come out and they're speaking in tongues, and and all of these guests in the town are like who are these people that they're speaking in my own language that's the moment when the shopkeeper goes, well those are those are the good old boys they've been around for a while they I know them hey if they're saying that then it's got to be true, you know I trust them we're in cement and so we get this idea of we talk about discipleship is this. [50:22] Relationship thing and it's this idea of abiding not just abiding in The Lord of letting the Lord change you but abiding in your, area where you've been placed abiding in your secular job abiding in Wherever You Are. [50:40] And creating those relationships where people around you, see you they trust you they know you they understand you and vice versa and then when the Lord moves in your life and you say. I prayed about that and it happened or I felt like the Lord was telling me to do something and I feel like it cause this to happen those people who've been watching your life who have an intimate knowledge of you because you've been abiding, right you've created this relationship that's that's the moment when it can go from. Just a relationship too, we have a limp if you really want to know then let me tell you about the Lord and what he's done for me and what it can do for you and and lead them to Salvation, that's how this discipleship thing works it wasn't like I mean yeah Jesus sent them out in pairs at one point he said hey go out and do ministry, and if someone rejects you that's fine just walk away, he wanted them to see firsthand what it was like to go blindly into a scenario where you have no standing you don't know anybody you know trying to do ministry and they came back in and they were like it was rough out there man. [51:58] So they were learning this lesson of discipleship and intimacy and then Jesus says Angola by in. Plant yourself there you know start this discipleship campaign. And so that's what I wanted to talk about it was you know we need to be wherever you are whatever season your life is in plug in. Abide there don't. Clock in do your work and go home sure don't give your company more time than they're paying you for but your co-workers the culture there that the people that you know abide, abide in their lives abide in that area and make that impact. [52:46] Back to you Pastor newms. Pastor Newms: [52:48] Yeah and that's definitely always interesting to look at because we are we're supposed to be in the world, but not all of it so we're supposed to be in it constantly just being there with other people and and. Pastor Bill: [53:08] Oh well I'm I only hang out with my church friends I only go to church events I only. You're not being in the world you're not being out there you're not being a light in the darkness that's not what that looks like. That's. [53:28] I don't know how else to say it. Pastor Newms: [53:31] Yeah. And so it is an interesting thought of okay where are we where we abiding where are we and I found it interesting, dr. Evans when he was talking he talked about it when he was talking about abiding he talked about tea and you know some people you know up and down up and down up and down up and down up and down that's how they make their tea and then some people go teabag and then it just it abides there it stays there and, the water becomes T and if we're not abiding where we're supposed to we're not going to end up becoming what we're supposed to be, and jumping in and out in and out in and out a lot more work and which that's what I do the water gets hot you throw the tea in you do then, add the sugar later and all that jazz but yeah so. That's really all we had tonight I think you have anything else. Pastor Bill: [54:41] Nope did you not find your verse out of Corinthians. Pastor Newms: [54:43] Heidi did but I don't want to talk about it now. Pastor Bill: [54:51] Okay just put it in the text to send everybody home with and they can look it up for themselves and. [55:04] I don't think I don't think I'm going to do that I don't think so. Pastor Newms: [55:07] No it doesn't it doesn't feel right for the conversation anymore it might be it might be maybe next week we'll see maybe next week. Pastor Bill: [55:21] Same grin Time same Berean Channel. Pastor Newms: [55:31] So this podcast that you're listening to or watching, is recorded live on Sunday evenings at 6:30 central time if you go to our website EK K dot house you can see where it is that that's broadcast too. And you can it is Art which our Facebook and our YouTube you can join us on Twitch for all of our wonderful gaming nest, gaming this of hanging out with us and getting to know us better on other times as well when we do that when I do. Fail miserably at doing it. Pastor Bill: [56:19] Would you know set the grill on fire. Pastor Newms: [56:21] Yeah so yeah so that's that's all we have and I hope you guys have a great, night and I'm not sure why the dog just growled at, groggy walking through my office but we will see you guys next time. Pastor Bill: [56:45] A safe out there. Pastor Newms: [56:46] Love you guys.

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S3Ep93- It Costs How Much... , Pastor Bill And Pastor Newms The Berean Manifesto Pastor Newms: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 93, of the BereanManifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm pastor newms and as recently and almost always I'm joined other side joined by Pastor Bill down here in the corner who doesn't remember that his cameras flipped. Pastor Bill: [0:25] Much which side are you on now I can't remember. Pastor Newms: [0:28] That's okay I have to point to the left to get to the right because it's camera versus stage and it's, yeah yeah so how was your week Pastor Bill. Pastor Bill: [0:46] I was my week well we started playing a new game this week well new to me new update for you. So that was fun I started dedicating time to writing sci-fi again. Pastor Newms: [1:02] That's good. Pastor Bill: [1:03] So that was wheelie satisfying. Pretty much that's it I mean I did my you know much 20 hours this week on my contract labor for that project kids would School nobody got sick. Pastor Newms: [1:20] That's good that's good. Pastor Bill: [1:24] That was that was about it that's that's my week just, do my day-to-day and doing some writing and then playing get some gaming yesterday and little bit of gaming today gaming I would like to resources and building a ship. Pastor Newms: [1:41] Still gaming too. Pastor Bill: [1:42] It is technically still gaming yeah. Pastor Newms: [1:45] Sometimes game. Pastor Bill: [1:47] It's part of the survival games that I actually enjoy collecting the resources and then building the buildings. Pastor Newms: [1:53] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [1:54] All the go out and adventure and kill things and and collect magic staffs from pieces you put together yeah that's fun with friends every once in awhile but I don't want to go out and do that by myself in the game, what about if I just want to collect resources and build things. Pastor Newms: [2:09] Yeah that's that's the big thing about Survival Games is there's the the two aspects of the game there's the resource Gathering the surviving, whether it's purges or or onslaughts or you know different things for different games but being able to, have a base in enjoy those aspects and then there's the actual like game, part of the game where they've got quests and they've got storyline and there's you know and it's interesting with some survival games they have the storyline built in like you know you have to do the story the story is forced upon you there's other survival games for the stories just laying around in notes like Ark where if you go out and look for it there's no story there's very little, as you go through each of the dungeons until you get to the farther like original map I'm talking of course not like the farther ones and then there's a game like, Conan where it's an interesting weird mix of the two where there's NPCs that will talk to you and tell you things about the story but yet, those things don't help you unless you are out. Pastor Bill: [3:31] Really listen. Pastor Newms: [3:33] Like and it's one of those things where like they'll tell you something and you're like okay and then you go do something you're like. Pastor Bill: [3:40] Oh Pastor Newms: [3:42] Okay, and so it's interesting how that how that plays out with survival games which are probably my favorite style of game, and then you've got games like Minecraft that have no story and it's just creative building Gathering. Pastor Bill: [4:04] It's super boring real quick. Pastor Newms: [4:08] So-so so-so. Pastor Bill: [4:13] I mean I'm allowed to make personal statements about how I feel about things. Pastor Newms: [4:17] No you're not. Pastor Bill: [4:18] Minecraft is Just. [4:31] Yeah right I know it's the it's the concept that there is no Adventure there is no greater Adventure out there makes it boring. There's no hope built into the game, it's all just this is all there is just this is all there is. Pastor Newms: [4:50] It's one of the reasons I don't like Shooters is there's no like okay we spawn in we kill each other we spawn out yay we're done. Pastor Bill: [4:59] I don't like multiplayer Shooters but I like Shooters with the storyline. Pastor Newms: [5:15] I think that's my week was good I'm busy work is really busy, got a lot going on at work lot going on it's luckily slow down here at the house I was, not feeling good last week both the girls got sick last week. And so that was that was fun in the middle of the week had lunch with my parents today with my ants that were in town and my grandmother and everyone that was fun so yeah it's been a pretty standard week. Pastor Bill: [6:09] Yeah. Pastor Newms: [6:11] I hate it so much I hate it so much. Pastor Bill: [6:32] We're like why was there such silence on. Pastor Newms: [6:34] What is the most beautiful drive you have ever taken be as descriptive as possible. Pastor Bill: [6:48] Descriptive as Paul what doesn't actually say that. Pastor Newms: [6:50] Want me to pull the next card yeah. [6:58] Let me read this card instead okay of all the movie characters you have ever seen which one do you believe is most like you. [7:13] I wish there was a wee little monitor hanging up there for Bill. Pastor Bill: [7:20] I keep looking up at you. Pastor Newms: [7:22] Oh Pastor Bill: [7:24] But all that's up there is a Rubik's Cube stack of books. My my personal air conditioner. Pastor Newms: [7:33] So what movie character do you most you feel as the most like you that you've ever seen on screen. Do do do do do do do. Pastor Bill: [7:49] Nothing comes to mind. Pastor Newms: [7:50] Zaydie says, a person's name that I have no idea who that is or which movie She's referring to Phoenix says Forrest Gump which is interesting because she, doesn't run oh Cara from Riddick got it got it got it. Pastor Bill: [8:22] All the movies I've seen who is like me. Pastor Newms: [8:25] Mmm. Pastor Bill: [8:27] Ain't nobody like me. Pastor Newms: [8:42] In any movie is like me do we call this one a dud and pull another card. Pastor Bill: [8:47] Yeah let's pull another car at this was. Pastor Newms: [8:50] This is not a good part of my deck it looks like that's that's two cards. Pastor Bill: [8:53] This is getting to know as afternoon the ladies and Pastor newms is house was what that bit was so now let's do getting to know the past. Pastor Newms: [9:02] Punisher is not a good representation of me for two reasons one. I'm not that accurate of a shot and two, I'm not that physically able okay. Pastor Bill: [9:33] It's got to be retail. Pastor Newms: [9:34] Retail store. Pastor Bill: [9:36] A retail store. Pastor Newms: [9:37] Yeah you got to sell something what would your merchandise be. Pastor Bill: [9:44] I mean it's Gotta Be nerd stuff. We're talking like strictly retail. Pastor Newms: [9:53] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [9:58] Doctor Who start yay. Pastor Newms: [10:02] I would want to open up, A8 game / nerd stuff store I would have to say originally I thought of the same first six letters first five letters as you, but it was not stuff that came to my mind at first. You know some shipping material is nerd shipping material. Pastor Bill: [10:36] Look at the still high in transit. Pastor Newms: [10:38] Yeah you got a store things very high in transit full of nerd stuff boxes full of nerd stuff. But games I love games I've always loved games board games card games, just, all kinds of game stuff and then of course obviously I like nerd stuff, but it would definitely be one of those stores where you go into and you're like what is what is the theme here this the I think I would actually call the store nerds, I really do just think of that that would be the name of the store because there's not really any other explanation for what this store is this store is just nerd. Pastor Bill: [11:38] Now you just you call it nerd stuff, but the you is actually the poop emoji, not a you. Pastor Newms: [11:47] Or just new nerd poop emoji. Pastor Bill: [11:53] Well then it didn't it's you're getting a little bit too much to closer to the, in appropriate signage but if you say nerd stuff and then you make that then you know it's appropriate again. Pastor Newms: [12:06] Yeah exactly Phoenix it would be just random crap there'd be the the section of weapons that doesn't make any sense. Pastor Bill: [12:17] Up and was featured in one episode of this show in 1999. Pastor Newms: [12:22] Yeah this is a this is a stick that that was used to beat the third, King Of Who hovel you know just random crud would be the whole it would be just a whole store of just you know it would be like, it'd be like the basement of some of those specialty shops like you know like, on your way to Gatlinburg there's this huge knife store not that kind of specialty shop pervert there's like this huge huge knife store, and then you get into the basement you go down a level and it's like swords and, weapons and gems and rocks and crystals and you're like did they just not know what to do with the rest of this stuff like they just solved it that's a suit of armor what does that have to do with, okay okay okay, just movie memorabilia and stuff just a whole thing stuff which what. Pastor Bill: [13:25] If if we had been talking about like restaurant, I've always thought about opening a taco shop called Taco City but talks talk Cassidy taka City and then make the TAC and then the 0 is just a biohazard symbol, and alike, incorporate like every different type of pepper in the world into a special type of taco and be like okay now we got our habanero Taco we've got our ghost pepper Taco we've got our and use different levels of just just simple simple tacos but, you can get it with a kick and as Tha custody like toxicity but it's how custody I'm us. Pastor Newms: [14:08] I'm with you on it but but but the issue I would have would be the cross-contamination cross contaminate the poblano standard I just want a taco with one. Pastor Bill: [14:22] We would definitely go through a lot of gloves. Pastor Newms: [14:26] Yeah but that cross contamination. Pastor Bill: [14:28] Doing cross contamination. Pastor Newms: [14:29] His just you're going to you're going to burn some little wussy to death like I'd walk up. Pastor Bill: [14:40] Maybe we have people sign waivers when they come to the door right. Pastor Newms: [14:44] Mild Taco please and they'd be like okay yeah no problem hand me the taco and for the next seven and a half hours I'm just dead on the ground holding my stomach and crying because you're mean. Pastor Bill: [15:00] Because I mean. Pastor Newms: [15:01] That's what I see when I hear your thoughts sorry yeah. Pastor Bill: [15:03] I see I see okay. [15:10] So that's restaurant that's retail, and then obviously I've always wanted to open the. The long-term vision of what this you know was gearing towards that. You know life will tell I don't know. Pastor Newms: [15:32] Right multimedia conglomeration of random fun. Pastor Bill: [15:39] Random thing. Pastor Newms: [15:42] It's okay fine right up Christian themed random audacity random tenacity. Pastor Bill: [15:50] Christian movie theater. Pastor Newms: [15:53] They can also. Pastor Bill: [15:54] B Sharp. Pastor Newms: [15:55] That's a coffee shop and a bookstore. Pastor Bill: [15:58] And a concert stage and a bookstore like a just a just a general. Pastor Newms: [16:03] Center. Pastor Bill: [16:04] Christian multi-purpose Center but that doesn't suck. [16:14] Right leg. Pastor Newms: [16:15] I got you I got you I got you I got you I know the vision I've been in all the meetings literally. Pastor Bill: [16:27] I literally have literally been in every one of them meetings. Pastor Newms: [16:30] And you really had to edit me out of like part of one of them. Pastor Bill: [16:35] Right because you let your mouth get away with you sometimes you're just like I flew a I do. Pastor Newms: [16:40] I do I do, I am very passionate and I have been asked to not preach on several stages in the past due to my mouth getting, ahead of myself and. Pastor Bill: [16:59] In ex calls it the unsexy Christian multi shop. Pastor Newms: [17:02] Multi stop it says. Pastor Bill: [17:04] I've stopped my Af my bad multi stuff. The unsexy Christian multi stop. Pastor Newms: [17:10] You should work that phrase into our business plan somewhere for the for the church. Our goal is to one day be a nun sucky Christian music stop multi stop yeah I've in the past. Pastor Bill: [17:28] You can get one of these if you give us lots of money and you come and you be like Morty stuff. Multi-star. Pastor Newms: [17:38] Most Estep yeah it's funny I joke about that but I have actually been asked twice when, places where my mouth is gotten I get very passionate when I'm preaching and then tend to. Pastor Bill: [18:14] Indeed. Pastor Newms: [18:15] So yeah, anywho so tonight are we warmed up you think. Pastor Bill: [18:26] I think we're plenty of warmed up I think we can stop. Beating around the bush and get to get on with it I know you're stalling because. Pastor Newms: [18:38] I am cuz there's a problem oui are talking about discipleship. And we are heavily basing it on Tony Evans study of, Kingdom disciples and we're talking about discipleship and it's a good study, there are you know they're great things about it so far and this week, what we were going to talk about is the fact that there is a cost to being a disciple, and so I titled this one I forgot it costs how much dot-dot-dot, and the reason is because. [19:39] That's the question is what does it cost you know you have a. Salvation you know we talked in the first week about salvation isn't the, end goal it is a the first goal you know the first goal is salvation and then discipleship because you can't disciple, if you don't believe in what you're being discipled in, so it's it's the first step of discipleship and you know when when we were, doing a research and watching stuff today it was interesting to look at. [20:29] Dr. Evans is he was talking and he was like Hey look you know. There's there's a cost salvation is free there's a cost to being a disciple and I found it really interesting, you know the points that he made throughout the time but the hard part is is the cost of being a disciple is something that we talked about, a lot without talking about the cost of being a disciple here at, the Collision house we talked about the fact that you have to put the work in we talked about the fact that it's not easy, it's not just hear what someone says and go do it it's not just. Okay I'm a Christian now let's go do exactly what we were doing yesterday change absolutely nothing don't listen to the Holy Spirit talking to me and telling me to do things don't reach out to others don't you know we've talked about, so much I was like oh crud I, I don't know where to go because we've covered all of this it in in. [21:49] And you know over and over and over and over and over again and so because of that, it is a it's I'm struggling today to really find what I want to talk about and like. Tony Evans gave some really great scriptures and some really great things that he talked about but. I just I couldn't find what hook I wanted to really like dig in and discuss because. [22:31] The cost of being a disciple is the same as what we talked about all the time of being Berean in what we do and how we study and how we live our lives, now I will say there's an example, that Tony Evans gives and he's given this example before and I love it and so I'm going to give it here I'm going to steal it because it's fun, a football game on television. Last three hours when you sit down you got the pre-show you got the show you got the thing you got the stuff you got the commercial breaks you got the the game itself on the clock is an hour, actual Play Time physical hitting play time is around 17 minutes. [23:29] So we spent three hours for 17 minutes worth of content, some of us then continue past that and use those 17 minutes to play Fantasy Football off of, to watch SportsCenter and see clips of the 17 minutes that we already just watched we dig into it then we go and we talk to our friends about it and we, we base our whole certain people base their whole personality around 17 minutes of gameplay. Because they're a football fan we all know him we all love them there's someone you know and love that is a football fan, yes yes there is there someone you know and love that is a football fan. Pastor Bill: [24:15] No but love I wonder. Pastor Newms: [24:23] I'll start with me so because of that if we did the same thing. With scripture and with why did you put up the website why is the website up. Pastor Bill: [24:43] You were like don't start with me and I was like fine I'll just. Pastor Newms: [24:46] Oh Pastor Bill: [24:47] Don't go away. Pastor Newms: [24:49] With with scripture and with the Nuggets that we find and and those types of things if we dwelled on it and dug into it as much as people dig into football. We would be radically changed but we, so many of us including myself I do not spend as much time in scripture as a football fan spins on football I can guarantee that, I try to spend time in scripture but not as much as a football fan watches football for 17 minutes of action, and so I find that to be an example that I've heard before but hearing it again really makes you just go, interesting so Pastor Bill what do you want to talk about what do you want to say about about what we. Pastor Bill: [25:49] All right so for me when we were watching the video and listen well listening I didn't really watch it because I don't really look at it as just listen to it, really it it really, what stuck out to me in what I really might take away is he talked about in college people auditing classes. Pastor Newms: [26:15] Oh yeah. Pastor Bill: [26:16] And you know go into class and just just being exposed to it but then not putting any of the work and not getting any of the real credit in the end, and he said now a lot of people out there doing the same thing with church and with being a Christian, they're auditing Christianity they're showing up on Sunday mornings and just, being exposed to the word and exposed to the scriptures exposed to the culture of Christianity but then not actually putting in the work, to actually earn the credit and actually know the subject and actually be a part of the subject and actually, you know make it part of their lives and so that really you know I was like oh man yeah that's that's true so many people do that. [27:10] And it just honestly if you're going to church, for any reason other than community, right going to see other believers and support each other in your walk in life and let each other know you know hey the Lord's got your back I got your back give me a call then you're doing it wrong if you're going to church, just to sing a song and just to wear a suit and just to hear a pretty sermon then that's you're not you're not utilizing that tool, the the whole point the tool of the church is to bind you together with other believers there's worship that's awesome it's great to detox from, all the stuff in your week that might be pulling you away from the Lord pulling your attention that's great, there's a sermon that's awesome you should definitely take advantage of wisdom in the Insight that the pastor of the church has put together to share with you. [28:17] But what you should do with that with some insight and wisdom is then go to your community at, church and say hey this is what Pastor taught about what do we think how are we going to apply it to our lives, you know are you struggling that area did did something he say really resonate with you that I can pray with you for or oh man you know, he was really reading my mail this week is what a phrase that I've used before he was reading my mail this week I need prayer for just that thing that he was talking about, it was literally like he opened my mailbox he knew exactly what was going on in my life and so I need help with that area now. [28:58] Don't audit your Christianity, actually live your Christianity and he was talking about and it tied back to something a video I saw on Tik-Tok a couple weeks ago this guy was talking about, there's so many people calling themselves Christian, that hate lgbtq that are races that are nationalist that are, fascist it on and on and on that this word Christian has started to become synonymous with all of these negative things that, don't reflect, love God love your neighbor as yourself and the guy in the video was just exasperated like I don't even know what to call myself like I don't introduce myself as a Christian anymore to people because, I want them to see God through me I don't want them to see white nationalist America when I call myself a Christian. Pastor Newms: [30:01] You know go ahead. Pastor Bill: [30:05] He said in the video he said. You can audit Christianity and you can you know oh I'm a Christian but are you a disciple of Christ are you a follower, of Christ right so the first century Church they called themselves followers of the way, Christ called himself the way the truth and the light they called themselves followers of the way and this term Christian this was a derogatory term originally, that you know it was a diminutive you're just a little copy of Christ you're a weaker copy you're a demean you know it was it was an insult, and Christians adopted in owned it and made it their own word and move forward in time perhaps it's time. [31:00] That we take this word that was an insult that you know they owned, and now has become synonymous with white nationalist racist hateful above the and just hey I'm a disciple of Christ I'm a follower of Christ I follow the way, find one of these new scripture will terms so that when you introduce yourself to someone hey man what's what's different about you what is it in your life that's that's different don't say oh I'm a Christian, say well I love Christ and, as a follower of Christ as a disciple of Christ you know that kind of language I love my neighbor the same way I love myself I love myself to learn how to love my neighbor I love my neighbor like that and I love and honor God. And so it's just this whole thing of don't audit Christianity, be a disciple of Christ yourself for making disciples but are we being disciples. Pastor Newms: [32:05] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [32:06] We talked about, you know love your neighbor as yourself and so often the modern Church Big C modern Church skips over that as yourself and goes oh well that's just that's just you know, that's just flowery talk love your neighbor as yourself well no that's a deep statement if you don't love yourself then you can't love your neighbor as yourself because then you're not loving your neighbor, you have to get your house in order and love yourself and then love your neighbor as yourself well if you're going to be out there making disciples you have to learn to be a disciple first and followed the Lord, and actually, be a follower of Christ not just someone who's auditing Christianity not just a Sunday morning Christian not just. [33:03] Oh I go on Christmas and Easter I go to church and the rest of the year I'm spiritual but I believe in God and I love Christ and all that, well do something about it being a disciple of Christ if you're you know if you're going to claim to love Jesus Jesus said you know you love me, show me you love me by following my commands and Jesus command Jesus commands were very simple, so simple and short such a short list so yeah so that's where listening to that video took my mind and just you know that's where I'm at. Pastor Newms: [33:40] So scripturally. I wanted to look at two places, and I'm struggling to find one of them cuz I lost it and now I'm trying to find it again. What if I tell you. Pastor Bill: [34:08] Well I may be able to find you the exact reference. Pastor Newms: [34:10] Well it's just that it's the verse where it's misconstrued quite often where. Pastor Bill: [34:27] Right. Pastor Newms: [34:28] I'm trying to find where it is cuz I've lost it, I had it pulled up and then I had another scripture that I was going to use and I looked at it and then I lost. Pastor Bill: [34:41] We're talking about James chapter 2. Pastor Newms: [34:44] Am I okay. Pastor Bill: [34:47] Roundabouts verse 14 but. Pastor Newms: [34:52] Yeah so James 2:14 thank you I'm like I've lost it. Pastor Bill: [35:01] I was like I know that's James but I can't remember what chapter it is. Pastor Newms: [35:05] So I'll start there and then I'll I'll do the other verse that I put into chat as well but James 2:14 says what good is it my brothers and sisters if someone claims to have faith but does not have Works can such Faith save him, if a brother is without clothes and lacks daily food and one of you says to him go in peace stay warm and be well fed but you don't give them what the body needs what good is it, and so. [35:50] It is interesting when you look at that because. One of the big points there is by itself. [36:05] Not saying works is salvation because we know that's not accurate based in Romans and lots of teachings throughout scripture that you you know a person is saved by, you know believing in speaking having faith but the by itself the faith is dead that doesn't mean, both to get into heaven but what it's saying is is you haven't activated your faith you haven't you're not living it, you're just sitting in it and so like that like a dead body it's just sitting there it's not, being fulfilled and, and you know you often quote James 216 which is the go in peace and stay warm and be well fed and if you don't give it if you don't help them what good is it you know and that's, what, he's talking about here it's not necessarily because some people have used this to justify okay will you see you have to have both in order for salvation and that's not necessarily what James is talking about. [37:34] What he's talking about is without it your faith is just knit it's just there. Pastor Bill: [37:42] Yeah and Paul Paul backs up that same concept in in Romans chapter 3, starting in verse 27 if you want to write that type that in my hands are a little full at the moment. Romans 3 27 where then is boasting it is excluded by what kind of law by one of Works no on the contrary by a law of faith, for we conclude that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law or is God the god of the Jews only, is he not the god of Gentiles to yes of Gentiles to since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith, do we then nullify the law through faith absolutely not on the contrary we uphold the law so he's saying you know. There's there's those who are doing works because of their faith and then those two have faith in it leads them to works and they're basically the same thing. It's not the works that justifies its. Pastor Newms: [39:04] Right yeah and. We have examples of people that don't take that next step and I mean we all know people, they're saved they believe in but they give they don't do they don't do anything, with their faith they have it and they hold it and they'll tell you about it if you ask you can kind of tell it's there but, like they're not doing anything they're not studying they're not growing they're not, discipling they're not trying to better themselves in the faith they're just there which, is not salvation aspects which is not what we're talking about in this series it's discipleship so you know. [39:57] You can have the first part without the second but it's ineffective for living it's fine for, getting to heaven but it's ineffective as a we're walking this out and so then I want to talk about Luke 9:23 through 27, and, it says and he said to them this is Jesus talking if anyone wants to follow me let him deny himself take up his cross daily and follow me for whoever wants to save his life will lose it but, whoever loses his life because of me will save it for what does it benefit someone if he gains the whole world and let loses or forfeits himself and the old KJV, the old KJV sorry the KJV says they're you know his soul so then we continue for whosoever is ashamed, of me and my Works my words the son of man will be ashamed of him when he comes in glory and that the father and the Holy Angels, truly I tell you there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God and. [41:04] When you look at that that's often been used as a probe persecution Pro, what's it called when you deny yourself of everything, the like the monks they beat themselves and they did take her date themselves and they there's a there's a term for it and I can't remember it off top my head sorry. But it's but when it's self-inflicted where it's you have to deny yourself every. Pastor Bill: [41:37] Vow of poverty. Pastor Newms: [41:42] And it's interesting to this verse has been used for that and that's not necessarily what it means it means you know, we you have to put it in front of yourself not it'd be you know you're not punishing yourself, on a daily basis like the old monks used to flog themselves as they walked through the Halls to that way they felt closer to Jesus and it's like, I don't I don't I don't pick that up from the rest of scripture and Jesus loving us that we should ensure we're bloody. Pastor Bill: [42:23] I've always been confused by that like, you're living in a monastery with a bunch of dude. And you're not going out and having fun you're not drinking anything but maybe beer for the purpose of digestion because you're eating moldy bread and gruel three times a day and you think, you're not suffering enough you've got to start flogging yourself too, I think you're already suffering enough bro I don't think you need to add the flocking. Pastor Newms: [42:54] Yeah you've already taken a step farther than what most of us would in in trying to walk it out, which now I'm picturing them monk actually walking it out like the song I walk it out I walk it I picture anyway. Pastor Bill: [43:12] Right now. Pastor Newms: [43:17] Equipped rocking monk all right can they only wear blue robes then anyway okay, back to what we're talking about there's there's there's that aspect between this case you wonder how my brain works congratulations y'all seeing it there's that huge difference between, you know, we have to walk out our faith and that doesn't mean if we're not walking it out we don't have it but what it does mean is we're not walking in it you're you're just sitting on, and if you're sitting on your thumb your thumb can't do anything else that's all I have. Pastor Bill: [44:03] But you also get the flip side a lot where we talked about people or coerced into, they just say this prayer so if you get hit by a bus tonight that it enough and then those people go oh well they told me I'm a Christian now so I should start doing some works, and they serve in the church they go on missions trips they done it you know and they have this whole list of works that they did that they point to as evidence and go see there's proof I was a Christian, but I've realized I don't believe that anymore I don't believe that. [44:39] Well you never really did Works wasn't evidence of your faith, works is inspired by, Faith so you can't look back and go what is all these works that's evidence that's evidence that I was a Christian well no works is not evidence that your Christian belief is evidence that your Christian and and believe this, this thing of moral persuasion this thing of of conviction, isn't something you can just one day ago I don't believe that anymore, because that's not the help piss just works, the Greek word it's record piscis that's week we say faith but it's there are pissed us and it loses so much volume and breath in the English version when we say oh you just believe and have faith well. [45:36] That's so shallow that such a shallow interpretation of the idea expressed in the scriptures. Pastor Newms: [45:42] An NS as big said. It's a Greek word it's not what you thought you heard I'm sure Google Translates going to translate it exactly what you thought Biggs but I agree with what you say it's a whitewash Tums or tomb is what I, you were trying to write and I'm just being mean today but, it is it's in Jesus said that you know if you just clean your outside and you haven't cleaned your inside your whitewashed tomb and and that's that aspect of, why are you doing it what's the motivation when you talk about you know faith without works is dead. Pastor Bill: [46:30] Not only did Jesus know how to lay down the insults. Pastor Newms: [46:33] Oh I know. Pastor Bill: [46:34] But he must have laid them down often for the gospel writers to go I'm going to include this one I'm gonna include this one he must have you must have I mean. Pastor Newms: [46:48] He was sassy. Pastor Bill: [46:50] He was it was something else. Pastor Newms: [46:54] Especially for the day. Pastor Bill: [46:58] I mean whitewashed tombs that's that's like you can get kicked out of the temple you you don't say that in front of like the emperor you don't say that in front of the high priest that's some so that's some serious, roget for Elaine. Pastor Newms: [47:13] Touch the Dead, you know a culture you're not even allowed to you know touch a dead you can't prepare you can only prepare them in certain ways and in certain you know that's a big deal that's a big deal. Pastor Bill: [47:25] And there actually was. A thing where people would whitewashed tombs they would go in and take a tomb that a body had already been put in, they would remove the body clean the tube and then resell it to another family, and be like Oh yeah this will be the Eternal resting place of your loved one and then go back in and take that body and remove it and dispose of that body and clean the tomb again and resale the tomb, and so it was this underhanded process I mean he's literally accusing them of, telling tombs to people instead of Hope instead of Love instead of Faith you know you are you are, fooling these people you are selling them a bill of goods you know you are just, this is awful you are V8 you being the lowest of the low like you're committing capital crimes right now, with the people. [48:47] That's it that's what I got. Pastor Newms: [48:48] All right so thank you so much for those people who joined us in recording in during the live recording the live recording happens on Sunday nights at 6:30, and you can join us on Twitch Facebook or YouTube most of our people join us on Twitch just because, which is fun anyway that's my bias we all have biases in life um you can go to our website Ekk.House to see where you can do that which of those each of those platforms there's actually little buttons that you can see on this little image if you happen to be watching but if you're watching you're watching on one of those so yeah but. I hope. Pastor Bill: [49:43] Not necessarily maybe somebody downloaded the video later and sent it to someone and said hey watch this video. Pastor Newms: [49:52] Okay that's fine fine you won so please come join us so you can part of the conversation as Biggs and Phoenix and zaidi and and did tonight and other people do on other nights and, you know give that sense of community that we're talking about a coming together and doing church not just you know, having two faces talk to you or two voices tell you what to think because that is not what this is about so, we hope you guys join us and it either way we will talk with you next time and we love you. Pastor Bill: [50:34] Be safe out there.

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S3E92 Your Concerns Matter… Pastor Newms: [0:00] There we go now we're live life hello. Pastor Bill: [0:03] Big big says cause SRI here. Pastor Newms: [0:06] That's it. Pastor Bill: [0:10] It's because it's really here. Pastor Newms: [0:14] Oh I can hear the cats yeah that's nibbles she is she be in special right now. Pastor Bill: [0:24] I don't hear the cats. Pastor Newms: [0:36] Maybe so hello and welcome to the live recording of season 3 episode 19 of the Breen Manifesto faith. Pastor Bill: [0:44] Episode 19. Pastor Newms: [0:45] What did I say. 92 Pastor Bill: [0:55] You're just a few just a few off. Pastor Newms: [0:57] I'm in faith hope and love for the modern Christian. [1:11] Yeah so either way I'm pastor newms and I can't speak tonight and this is Pastor Bill. Pastor Bill: [1:19] Join and joined always buy this is faster bill. Pastor Newms: [1:23] Not joined Always by no no. Pastor Bill: [1:26] But if you said there was that one night where I couldn't speak and I said joined Always by and. Pastor Newms: [1:30] Yeah we remember we remember and it was it was super awkward. Pastor Bill: [1:35] Did Pastor Bill get a new light well I got a couple of new bulbs in the center of my my room office here, that are 100 watt equivalent daylight bulbs so they are crazy bright and then yes I am I'm at a new angle as well. Pastor Newms: [1:57] That that sounds disgusting. Pastor Bill: [1:59] I'm at a new angle because I got really tired of when the angles were further to my right when the cameras footage in my right everything behind me for me to be straight everything behind. [2:18] I made everything behind me straight then it looked like I was sitting leaning off to one side. Pastor Newms: [2:22] You do realize everything still looks like it's a crazy angle right. Pastor Bill: [2:26] Not a no no this is just a slight angle before it was like crazy angle. Pastor Newms: [2:33] Why I never noticed a crazy angle. Pastor Bill: [2:36] You never noticed it it was it bothered the heck out of me. Pastor Newms: [2:40] It wasn't that bad, yeah we have we've had worse angles yeah so how was your week Pheonix it's not the. Pastor Bill: [2:55] I don't take notes all week long I don't know. Pastor Newms: [2:57] You know it's we're going to have to ask the question because you started this if asking the question each time. Pastor Bill: [3:01] Think about it I didn't even think about it ahead of time let's see Monday was a day Tuesday was a day, Wednesday I got to go into town twice. Wants to drop off Roxanne at the barbecue place in Grapevine for her job that she was doing there and then I went and picked up the kiddos that are in public school now pick them up and got to take. [3:39] Um I did my my work on that contract that I've that I've been working on and. [3:56] Tonight because my streaming buddy we didn't go live together so. Pastor Newms: [4:03] Because I was busy hopefully you didn't level too much and completely throw off everything. Pastor Bill: [4:08] No I played a mecromancer instead of my zero character. Pastor Newms: [4:10] Ah I see I see. Pastor Bill: [4:13] From the beginning as just going through from the beginning and collecting new skins and collecting you know stuff like that, I was just trying to kill time. Pastor Newms: [4:22] No I understand yeah yeah my week was, very busy still it is not slow down yet work is crazy busy and then groggy came up over this weekend, I wish still trying to get into the groove of everything with, people in everything in the house, yeah we played some Cards Against Humanity last night. Pastor Bill: [5:22] Phoenix NAP two laws. Pastor Newms: [5:24] It happens so the fall doesn't really affect, my job it's just contracts contracts are contracts when we sign a bunch of new contracts we got a bunch of new work when we're in between contracts we got a bunch of work, update from, Phoenix Phoenix I hate to tell you nibbles is going to be rude to you open your door, your doors closed she don't like it she don't like closed doors so she's gonna cry right there at that door, see how my week was pretty good, the week was pretty good so alright so now getting another pastor's it's your turn to feel the car Pastor Bill. Pastor Bill: [6:24] My turn all right let me grab my, hard dicks interview deck here and. Pastor Newms: [6:43] Oh yeah just put that back there's there's nothing. Pastor Bill: [6:49] How do you answer that when you've known someone for 20-plus years. Pastor Newms: [6:52] See that's the problem with this podcast deck is they're designed for like podcast host that have random stuff so yeah pull another one. Pastor Bill: [7:04] What is your most unusual Talent. Pastor Newms: [7:06] You go first. Pastor Bill: [7:10] Okay so my my most unusual Talent or at least what has seemed the most unusual to other people throughout my life is my ability to walk through a space a room of a hallway and anything and then at the end. [7:32] My mind took track of what every item in the room was that I can go oh well it's along the wall halfway down behind the bench, just sticking out a little bit I used it a lot when I was working at Gateway when we're setting up rooms we get to the end of the shift and they'd be like, and we be going through the rooms okay how's this room has that room has that room and I would and I had notes already in my head you know I will this room needs this that it was this room needs this this room has this there that needs to be picked up, and then around the house will be you know I'll be walking around the house and then somebody be like I can't find my blah and I'll be like. In the living room underneath the couch halfway back you just you can just see a little corner of it sticking out go look there, that's my unusual Talent subconscious tracking of items in spaces. Pastor Newms: [8:33] I don't know if I don't know if that's object permanence or just. Pastor Bill: [8:38] It's like the opposite of object permanence, it's always there like object permanence is when you don't you can't see it it doesn't exist anymore this is like the opposite of that like I can't see it but it will forever be in my mind there. Pastor Newms: [8:52] And if you get smooth. Pastor Bill: [8:53] Twenty years from now I will recall that space and it won't be there and I'll be like but it was here 20 years ago. Pastor Newms: [9:01] Yeah yeah and that that. Pastor Bill: [9:03] And makes driving around weird too because I'll be like oh that building is gone oh that trees gone oh they pre-painted their mailbox oh that billboard has a different number on it now and people are like, I don't what what are you even talking about. Pastor Newms: [9:18] Yeah it is. Pastor Bill: [9:20] You don't notice details. Pastor Newms: [9:21] No well that's the difference between noticing them and remembering them also, that's the weird thing is the remembrance of, like strange amounts of detail about little things what's weird about it it's not necessarily the noticing because there's a trauma response lots of us noticed lots of things but we, forget them on purpose because they take up too much space I don't know. Pastor Bill: [9:53] Marie I forgot Phoenix is Van fire. [10:00] I did you some ginkgo biloba but you wouldn't remember to take it. It's a memory aid supplement that's why that's. Pastor Newms: [10:10] Yeah yeah most well most people know that yeah, I don't think I have any odd talents. Pastor Bill: [10:22] You don't have any talents. [10:38] I think it's weird that you can 100% hate and 100% love a complete stranger at the. Pastor Newms: [10:45] I don't 100% hate and love everything at the same time. Pastor Bill: [10:55] I didn't say anything I said arson a complete stranger. Pastor Newms: [10:57] Oh yeah that is a talent. Pastor Bill: [11:05] Thank God he says he's been on the receiving end of that. Pastor Newms: [11:08] No he hasn't. Pastor Bill: [11:13] Kind of yes but it's funny that he said. Pastor Newms: [11:15] I can't. Pastor Bill: [11:20] She says you have that Talent too. Pastor Newms: [11:29] I'll stick if you just I'm a good liar on one way or the other. Pastor Bill: [11:34] Mmm. Pastor Newms: [12:02] It's really not. Pastor Bill: [12:05] It is so uncommon statistically to be for to have someone to be good at math. There are so many people that are like meth what huh. Pastor Newms: [12:14] That's just because of training not because of actual unskilled Miss in it. Pastor Bill: [12:21] Think so I think math is an art not even a science. Pastor Newms: [12:23] No it's a science. Pastor Bill: [12:29] Here like dude it's the definition of science because it always comes out with them the same answer every time it's repeatable it's. Pastor Newms: [12:38] I could sell an ice cube to the devil and I can talk to anything but, selling an ice cube to the devil written really be that hard but that's beside the point. Pastor Bill: [12:55] I'm not sure why the devil would buy an ice cube. Pastor Newms: [13:06] It's because I mean if you run cold at a biological level you would hate hot drinks see you would need ice in your coffee or else it would burn you, see. Pastor Bill: [13:24] Holiest use go now it's not a hot drink anymore. [13:37] All right all right if you say so. Pastor Newms: [13:42] All right so now on to the topic of the night. Pastor Bill: [13:47] The topic. Pastor Newms: [13:49] So I didn't really know what to, name this one and it's going to be interesting because me and Bill consumed completely different aspects of the talking points so. Pastor Bill: [14:04] I misunderstood the assignment. Pastor Newms: [14:06] I'm going to be interested to see what we're what we're going to how this is going to go you did it logically it's just, not what I did and not what, I thought we had talked about but I don't know that I ever said it out loud because you know we'll see so, I titled this one your concerns matter dot-dot-dot because. Pastor Bill: [14:36] The job. Pastor Newms: [14:38] Do they do all of them do some of them do they. So so you know when we think about concerns, you know I love the the word concern even because the diction of it is accurate but then the connotation of a concern versus a worry what is it really, you know what I mean like people like I'm not worried I'm just concerned about it and you're like but, is that a is that a spectrum level aspect or is it just, the same like do not worry, oh I'm not worried I'm just concerned you know concern is an interesting word what's wrong Billy. Pastor Bill: [15:33] So I just pulled my Eastward backup it's been in the background. Pastor Newms: [15:36] Aha aha haha. Pastor Bill: [15:44] Verse I guess one was the one I clicked I don't know I don't know for sure yeah and I look down in the study notes, which is you know the notes that you put in for yourself elf for later and the study notes say, Brianne Manifesto live recording exclamation point Korean Manifesto live recording exclamation point freedom freedom Manifesto live recording exclamation point Korean Manifesto live recording exclamation point space Jay. [16:31] Delete those notes out because that it won't let me delete those knots out. If you let me delete those notes are we gonna have to leave it one character at a time. Pastor Newms: [16:41] I don't know how you broke your study notes. Pastor Bill: [16:43] How did I break my study notes in e-Sword that's so weird. Pastor Newms: [16:46] It is so weird who oh he go, not the question is is if you see someone yawn in person or someone's in a room and you yawn in person it makes them young if you're recording a podcast and you hear someone yawn as you're listening to a podcast does that make you yawn subconsciously. Pastor Bill: [17:09] Okay so I had a friend in high school. [17:21] The instinct to yawn after you hear someone else yawn and you don't have to see it just to hear it, is actually an emotional response if you feel an emotional connection to the person that's yawning, then it triggers the Yan response if you don't feel an emotional connection to that person that it does not trigger the Ian, and it works over the phone it works over radio it works with animals and you don't have to see it you just have to hear it. Pastor Newms: [17:54] I don't know I think I disagree with his control group or something because. Pastor Bill: [18:02] He looked up a bunch of studies and other people had done he did a bunch of experiments to test the results that he had found other people had done. Pastor Newms: [18:09] I don't think it has to do with an emotional response I mean an emotional connection. Pastor Bill: [18:17] If you don't care about the person then their Ian won't make you young it's not contagious you have to actually care about the person or thing Young. Pastor Newms: [18:25] No because I've been in a room with people that I can't stand and hate everything about them. Pastor Bill: [18:35] And in that case I would say you're lying to yourself. Pastor Newms: [18:38] No no if I said the names you would agree that these are people I do not like in any way shape or form. Pastor Bill: [18:45] Says says says empathic response it's exactly what it is it's an empathic. Pastor Newms: [18:50] Yes mmm now granted, what the best said is true hate is an emotional connection so that that would actually make sense so that's why I yawning if any ever anyone yawns because I. Pastor Bill: [19:11] Because you hate everyone. Pastor Newms: [19:12] Hate or love everyone in the planet so. Pastor Bill: [19:15] Some of those people hate and love at the same time. Pastor Newms: [19:16] Yeah yeah that's weird Okay anyway just thinking about it while I was yawning on a recording because that's you know so so so. Pastor Bill: [19:27] Yes it's some random Joe heard you yawn that didn't give a rip about you they would not trigger the response. Pastor Newms: [19:41] Back to the back to what we're actually talking about um you know with concerns and with, you know we're talking about discipleship you know we said last week we're talking about discipleship for like the next six weeks including that week and, you know so it's interesting when we look at being a disciple, and as a disciple what should our concerns be, what are the types of things we should be concerned about and what are the types of things we shouldn't be concerned about now when we look at, those aspects and the. You know what is concerns you know what are worried what are you know what are the things we should be, concerned with and working towards so if you have concern for something you care for it whether you're worried about it or you you know, it's what you are semi focused on if you have a concern so, one thing and a main thing that we should be seeking. [21:10] Is you know the kingdom of God we should be seeking Jesus we should be seeking, those aspects and so are our concerns should lie in the, our concerns should not necessarily be of, this world to a degree and this is where the that question comes is do your concerns matter because they do in that it's important what you're concerned about, you know certain concerns matter in the grand scheme, scheme of things and some concerns are just you know we shouldn't be but we are let's be honest there I cannot imagine a single person on the planet, currently that has not at some point felt concerned about money, as an adult as children though this is a  true so the first place I want to look tonight here is. [22:28] Matthew 6:25 334 so, this is straight, sermon from Jesus you know when a very famous sermon, and so this isn't like you know one of the Apostles or you know Matthew himself riding it, supposed to be direct sermon from Jesus so we say he starts off therefore I tell you do not worry about your life what you eat or what you will drink about your body what you will wear life isn't, isn't life more than food and the body more than clothing consider the birds of the sky they do not sow or reap or gather into barns yet your heavenly father feeds them aren't you worth more than that, can any of you add, one moment to his life span by worrying and why do you worry about clothes observe how the wild flowers in the fields grow they don't labor or spin yet, I tell you even Solomon in all of his Splendor was adorned like one of these, if that's how God clothes the clothes the grass of the field. Pastor Bill: [23:51] One of the things. Pastor Newms: [23:52] What. It was thrown into the furnace tomorrow when he do more for you of you of little faith. [24:07] What do you mean. Pastor Bill: [24:08] He dropped the word not. Pastor Newms: [24:10] That not even I didn't say that. [24:21] The knot. Pastor Bill: [24:23] With not before Solomon. Pastor Newms: [24:24] It's not before Solomon that not even Solomon no you're fine so don't worry saying, what will we eat or what will we drink or what will we wear for the Gentiles eagerly seek these things and your heavenly father knows that you need them but seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things will be provided for you there for don't worry about tomorrow because tomorrow will worry about itself each day has enough trouble for its own and, you know one of the aspects we know when we break this down it's interesting because. We know that worry is one of those things that's extremely hard not to do it's very hard not to be concerned with you know what are we going to do how are we going to do it, you know we've all most have all had those types of issues but. [25:25] It's true that, shouldn't worry as much as we do and I like one of the aspects that's here is can any of you add one moment of his life span by worry which we know for a fact, worry does the opposite psychologically worry actually takes time off of Our Lives not adding to it so I found that to be you know humorous, with that touch anything to say about that Pastor Bill. And concerns since that's the whole aspect so far. Pastor Bill: [26:30] The whole worry and concern stuff. Pastor Newms: [26:31] Right so part of that aspect is then to lead to of course where should we be concerned, and if we're not going to be supposed to be concerned with the things of this world what should we be concerned of what part of the car concern of course as we learned about last week should be about you know growing the kingdom and, making disciples not just salvation not just salvations working with people friendship evangelism helping people grow excetera etc etc, and then so when you think about okay we have, we should seek the kingdom of God, why why seek the kingdom of God and not seek something else and one of the verses that came to mind for me, that I found was Colossians 13 and it says. [27:49] And it reads he's rescued us from the Dominion of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the son he loves, and part of that, is reason I grab that verse is that whole thing of we have we are part of his kingdom so we should be seeking and we should be concerned with, that Kingdom the kingdom that we are now a part of through, salvation because he's rescued us from that domain in transferred us into his kingdom and so that's kind of the the area, of you know where we should be concerned. Pastor Bill: [28:56] Is translated. Pastor Newms: [28:58] Interesting. [29:13] Yeah so it's the word. Meadows mess is taemi is 10:00, which is to transfer that is carry away dispose of exchange seduced pull out remove translate or turn away so, yeah they're both valid translations for that word. Pastor Bill: [29:43] One of the one of the translations is seduced. Pastor Newms: [29:47] Yeah yeah. Pastor Bill: [29:51] Subdues his. Pastor Newms: [29:55] Well I mean if you think if you think about it it kind of is you're pulling. Pastor Bill: [30:04] They were seduced away from Darkness into the light. Pastor Newms: [30:07] Yeah or your seduced to Darkness from the I mean you are you're pulled that word technically means to draw in we use it in our culture as, it's really not. Pastor Bill: [30:34] All right so when we're when we're talking about what what we need to be, um concerned with and focused on and and and putting our metal to when we're talking about religiousness we're talking about, as far as being Christians and being disciples and moving forward institutionally and, as a group and as The Big C Church, the first place I want to look is Micah. [31:16] And kind he is sold each of you what is good and the he there is God he he has told you and it says and what it is the law. [31:43] Ideas that are being expressed in the Old Testament are being wrapped up in the books these books are prophecy and these books of you know, all these ideas are being wrapped up in the preparation for the Savior to come, and as we get you know starting in probably Samuel and moving forward we start seeing these aspects of God that Humanity never saw before whereas for the first time Samuel the prophet says, it's not all about the sacrifices it's all about the obedience it doesn't matter, you know that you're sacrificing and following the letter of the law in matters what your heart is doing is your heart obedient to the Lord, that's what matters. [33:08] The Pharisees, and the scribes and calling them out in public about all the things that they're doing wrong and you can go and you can go back and read it, and try to imagine all the things that we see in religious institutions today that match the things that Jesus is saying. [33:40] The mint dill and cumin all right so he's basically saying even in the smallest of the herbs that you grow in your garden. [34:01] Hit you have neglected the more important matters of the law Justice mercy and faithfulness, these things should have been done without neglecting the others, crank so he's saying you've neglected the most important part. Pastor Newms: [34:23] Uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [34:24] What you were given by the prophets by the law by everyone that came before that was pointing towards me Justice, Marcy and faithfulness you abandoned those, to emphasise tithes to emphasise purity of, sexuality to invite you know what I mean like there's this list it goes on and on and even today we see the same thing where the church has emphasized all these little. [35:08] Paul talks about faith hope and love but the greatest of these is love and in that love that's where we find that Justice and mercy and faithfulness, Luke writes about the same thing in Chapter 11, and we'll turn to verse 42 always like to pull it up from two different gospel accounts if I can because it's a good idea, to get it from the perspective of two different people because. Pastor Newms: [35:41] Uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [35:44] I can say yeah that car. [35:54] No I didn't see a pea green car but I did see a puke green car, and really it's a forest green car but because the two different perspectives the cops can go all right we're looking for this type of a shade of car that's between these it's better it's better to get that more perspective right. Pastor Newms: [36:14] Uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [36:16] Verse 42 but woe to you Pharisees you give a tenth of mint ruined every kind of herb and you bypass Justice and love for God, these things you should have done without neglecting the others so Luke goes well no he said Justice and love for God. Pastor Newms: [36:44] Haha. Pastor Bill: [37:40] Is paid instead of going out and using our finances to bless someone else it's not about that. You've missed the whole mark. If you're not helping your neighbor because you have to pay your size, well I'm sorry if I feed my neighbor I'm not going to be able to give 10% to God what do you think feeding your neighbor is, but giving to God oh but it's got its got to go through the church. [38:35] The grace and mercy and faithfulness says do not say to your neighbor. [38:56] So that's what I had to to share their about that part. Pastor Newms: [39:00] Now you know you were very serious so I did not interrupt you even though you know my mind works much different than yours, and so we were in Matthew and then we were in Luke right, I often like Matthew more than Luke right just because Luke's more clinical. Overall but I've now cemented that I like Matthew Moore, because he like I obviously enjoy certain areas of people in certain types of food if he's going to call out cumin, and that's all I'm going to say about that looks like cumin. Pastor Bill: [39:56] Luke focus on the Rue and Matthews like the cumin the. Pastor Newms: [40:00] Yeah the thing we've got to. Pastor Bill: [40:02] Matthews like Europe I've got this I've got this thing I've been working on mr. editor I need you to look through it and they that is like did you got three pages of verbs here listed couldn't you just list like three herbs people would get the point. Pastor Newms: [40:15] Which which makes me wonder, did you know it's about perspective like you said and we all take things when we hear someone say something we take it in our own way so it makes me wonder how many herbs Jesus actually listed, because he's talking to Pharisees who are who take everything extremely and so it makes me wonder. Pastor Bill: [40:40] Nothing I just Pharisees the scribes are there right she's talking about two groups of people who record everything in minut detail. Pastor Newms: [40:52] So it would be interesting to know. In a situation like this was there other things that he listed because he was making a point, in the gospels they only recorded, you know they're like if I record this mini I'll get the point across Luke's like I can get the point across into Matthews like we need at least four you know and I'm going to say other spices and you're just going to say every kind of herb will be fine, but it does make me wonder because Jesus was, had a lot of attitude when you really look when he's dealing with these religious people so I just wonder how long he actually sat and just said things that they grew in their Garden. Pastor Bill: [41:36] It was probably at least seven herbs and spices. Hey if we're going to have some levity about the topic we might as well. Pastor Newms: [41:48] Just enough to make some chicken now. Pastor Bill: [41:50] Some levity just a dove take to make chicken. Pastor Newms: [41:54] So I do find it interesting though that, you know the different things that people record when they're hearing someone speak, I mean we all we see it all the time we know this is the kind of thing that happens in real life you know we you have a bunch of people that are listening and bunch of people write it down differently now I wanted to point out, the next verse in Matthew because for people who don't know when, read I can't read one thing I tend to consume Pages at a time not sentences which is really funny because when Pastor Bill edits the transcript, it takes him a while and he, and it's perfect when he's done when I do it it's like 30 minutes and it's pretty close and that's how our minds work differently from each other because I consume the whole like I just I scroll very fast and I'm looking for things that don't look right so, when I'm reading a little thing because Pastor Bill is reading it I'm consuming the things above it and the things below it just because it's on a on a page. [43:10] And so when, first 24 he says blind guides you strain out a gnat but gulp down a camel and I just like that because it's one of those things where. [43:27] Punches that that aspect of. [43:33] You really just don't get it you're so worried about you know as a special said you're so worried about the spices you're so worried about the this and that but it's like, he takes it that step farther of like you literally, strained in that and drink a camel and that's just funny to me to see a bunch of. Pastor Bill: [43:58] Got to be some that's got to be some kind of reference to something I'm trying to see here. Pastor Newms: [44:02] And one second. [44:14] I'm back nibbles was up on something that she shouldn't have been and looking at me crazy, so I got on to her and now she's decided to join me since I got onto her because I said her name so that must mean that I want her, but no I just found that to be interesting you know that this whole section is like straight up I'm going to tell you religious people what you're doing wrong and he really gets after it, and some of these other verses to I mean they're pretty they're pretty you know you clean the outside of a cup but inside is full of greed and self-indulgence you know, so yeah I thought it was pretty good you know looking at some of this. Pastor Bill: [45:23] Matthew Henry says it's as simple as what you're saying is just. Pastor Newms: [45:27] He's just comparing an at in the camel so this isn't. Pastor Bill: [45:29] On the little and then it just by their size as if you know. You focus on the smaller sins of others while you're literally consuming camels over here in your own sin. Pastor Newms: [45:46] Yeah, yeah and you're like you like you know you're you're worried about the tenth of the meant but you're not worried about, clothing the the people, so I think that's I think that's one of those things that's so important with the capital c church is that we seek after the things that are important, we are concerned with the things that are important we shouldn't be concerned with. Our tenth of meant as much our as we are concerned with, our brothers you know we shouldn't be as concerned about you know are are the floors of the church the right color, verses are the people we let in, all the right people and what I mean by that is not that we turn away people from. [47:14] That aspect you know now that we're turning people away that's not what I mean by that, letting people in that should be let in meaning everyone should but so often we keep our doors closed and we keep our people inside that we want to be inside and we don't let people come in that we don't like but yet, we are so worried about what the Pew color is what the color of the floor is our is our lighting correct is our you know and. We lose the important parts which is the conversation the fellowship the things we should be doing worried about the little things that don't matter, in the whole of the kingdom of God because even as Christians you know I worry about the light sometimes you know I die, I freaked out about the technology if it's not working correctly I when the important part is getting the words out there so we can have the conversation so we can talk to each other so we can enjoy each other's fellowships so we could oftentimes that is lost on me because of the small things that I focus on we all focus on different things and so that's something that we, really have to look at and figure out, where else do you have Pastor Bill. Pastor Bill: [48:38] I was all I had. Pastor Newms: [48:39] Liar try again liar try again. Try again all right fine meanie. So next week I don't know man I'm just. Pastor Bill: [49:01] I don't know two. Pastor Newms: [49:02] I'm at that point I had a headache for 2 days this week so I'm just now today feeling better so, next week we're going to be continuing to talk about discipleship and hopefully will be better on the same page of what we studied, because I studied focused on the front part of the book that we are using as our kind of you know Bible study that we're doing that that is Flowing to this but, Pastor Bill focused on board the week itself and so, it'll be interesting to see how that portrays into next week stuff so if Pastor Bill doesn't have anything else or if no one in chat has anything else, looking at you chat people. Not actually physically I'm physically looking at one person that's in chat but not the rest of them. Pastor Bill: [50:05] Twitch let's see chat. Pastor Newms: [50:08] Yeah it's over there over there over over no no for you it's in the right spot yeah yeah yeah. Because you you because you said well that's because you turned your camera don't start with me like making it my fault. Pastor Bill: [50:28] Because I moved my camera. Pastor Newms: [50:30] Haha alright well. Pastor Bill: [50:34] You couldn't stand me being in the middle of the screen you had to move me. Pastor Newms: [50:37] What do you mean. Pastor Bill: [50:40] Well if I was still on the other side of the screen where I was before. Pastor Newms: [50:45] So actually I had your box right your box you can look you can watch this look I can't, I can't figure out how to do a box okay so your box, Master box okay so your box was over here, because you were so actually for the viewers you stayed in the same place more of your stuff is now shown, you are pretty much in the same place because we can. Pastor Bill: [51:17] We didn't have to show more of my stuff. Pastor Newms: [51:19] I did or else it would have been just your stuff and only from your ear over because the rest was hanging off of the which is why I was like can you. Pastor Bill: [51:32] That's good to know. Pastor Newms: [51:33] No it's fine it's fine you're allowed to be big it's okay that's weird don't be adjusting stuff in the middle you're in give people, vertigo or something that's what people in the middle of the lot alright so thank you guys so much for joining us those that listen to live if you want to join us live you can we record this at 6:30 Central whatever time on Twitch YouTube, and Facebook it goes out and our chats all come together that we see on Twitch if you want to know where you can see that you can go to our website whatever that address is and, which is ekk.house and yes nibbles is very loud it's gonna be very interesting to see how that comes out of the transcription, and so. Pastor Bill: [52:28] Bill and I connect the Here and Now. Pastor Newms: [52:30] Yeah no I mean she's just walking around the room mad because Heather closed her door she does not like closed doors, and so come join us and then you can be part of our conversation as well and we can all, enjoy each other's company because that's what this is all about is being buried together coming together and studying and learning and reading and and all those and hanging out with our cats and our dogs and are random, you know other things that interrupt Us in the middle of in the middle of church and so come join us, and we'll talk to you guys next time. Pastor Bill: [53:12] Stay safe out there. Pastor Newms: [53:13] Love you guys.

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S3Ep91 - Is Salvation The End Goal? Pastor Newms: [0:00] Okay there hi hi.  Pastor Bill: [0:03] Hi hello and.  Pastor Newms: [0:06] Wait no no no no you are still right there in the little corner you don't get to say.  Pastor Bill: [0:13] Some lower corner.  Pastor Newms: [0:14] Hello and welcome see because you're right, in the corner because I was getting there I was waiting for Biggs to say working on through the light and the picture stool and so now I'll say, hello and welcome to the manifesto live recording yay, if you're not listening to it live ha you should come join us live and then you would have got to enjoy that part where I said live recording not just the brand Manifesto season 3 episode 91, so yeah faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm pastor newms and down in the corner, is Pastor Bill yeah that looked cool because it didn't quite the refresh rate of the camera can't quite capture the finger correctly and it like, Okay so Pastor Bill how was your week, so your camera your fingers not doing it.  Pastor Bill: [1:28] My two oldest had.  Pastor Newms: [1:33] They had the whole school.  Pastor Bill: [1:48] You know girls who were now calling the space cowboy and um, I was quoting the song and he was like bass Cowboy that's a cool nickname and I was like you got that boy from now on you're the space cowboy.  Pastor Newms: [2:08] I still prefer to call him biddy Gert.  Pastor Bill: [2:11] Biddy.  Pastor Newms: [2:23] But I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly your wife band that so while I was out there the last time we are not calling him that.  Pastor Bill: [2:36] Right so they involve the school and, I found out it was going to take over 10 grand to put a new engine in.  Pastor Newms: [2:59] Okay so to touch base on things that have been said in chat since you started talking, it's all good Sadie you're here to do I know you're down in the classroom, so that's one of the updates for us is we started school this week and we're doing hold your your kids should start one of yours just started school the other started school last year and mine just stopped.  Pastor Bill: [3:30] We're rotating.  Pastor Newms: [3:31] Yeah we're rotating.  Pastor Bill: [3:32] Aspects of life.  Pastor Newms: [3:34] So we started homeschooling and it's it's it's going well, says is very is getting settled real well our office is a little bit recce, because we put other things in front of cleaning the office and so, it's it's a little it's a little dirty but that's okay that's okay we'll get there, and yes Biggs we now have a red glare on the poster because the white wall was irritating me so I put it back up and of course when I did we noticed that the in order to balance my face with the live light over here we opted to I have to just make that light red as opposed to trying to turn it up and turn this one down and turn the one above it up and did it I was like let me just turn this one red and I gotta say I don't hate, the red glow on the brothers, I I almost want to have you moved the picture over an inch so the red glow on the brothers ends up being in the middle.  [4:55] But um so we might just put another hole in the wall there just a little over um, but the week's been real good work was work was good I don't think, move the lamp well because it's in the corner which is where a lamp should be, and aesthetically that makes the most sense over there.  Pastor Bill: [5:27] He's like I'd rather I'd rather.  Pastor Newms: [5:28] So no.  Pastor Bill: [5:30] I'd rather move the wall then move the limb.  Pastor Newms: [5:35] I wouldn't because it's so so says it's right in front of me his desk is over in that corner, and he's got a professional like hooked to the computer Sound Processing make music keyboard thing, and so, it's in the right spot above it and I don't really want to we'd have to move all and I'll put another hole in the wall I'll do it myself, I say that then it's your come over it's gonna be crooked he's gonna fix it anyway um so the week was pretty good like I said we got a lot done chords, tons of stuff it's good it's good.  Pastor Bill: [6:31] Good good good good good good good.  Pastor Newms: [6:33] So now, the part of the podcast that I don't like that I did, every single actually it's not crooked my camera's crooked actually because I turned my camera, no you're right it might be crooked I don't know dude I'm half blind I don't do these things, the wife hasn't come up here since I put it back up and let's be honest.  Pastor Bill: [7:10] All my stuff looks crooked because, my cameras at a weird angle and so either I'm crooked or everything else is.  Pastor Newms: [7:18] You say the eye knows but the eye is Two Doors Down.  Pastor Bill: [7:26] Who's there.  Pastor Newms: [7:28] So no no it doesn't so my grandmother is a wonderful wonderful person but she has this thing where she can look at something from, anywhere any point of a room any that's one level and you're like no it's not it's perfectly that I leveled it before I hung it son level whatever go get the level stick it up there it'll be like the little bubble go, and you like that is if it's barely off level it's not perfect it is off level and you're like but the bubbles just like on the edge of the this is level area it's not in the center fine I'm not she's just like that it's crazy it is crazy so, if you had to wear a button at all times, anytime you're wearing clothes let's preface that six of the flash okay with a maximum of six words on it describing your outlook on life, what would your button say.  Pastor Bill: [8:42] So now we're wearing Flair.  Pastor Newms: [8:43] Yes yes from yes from what was that what was the what's the restaurant that that part of the movie is based on.  Pastor Bill: [8:58] You have Fridays is worth based on ya.  Pastor Newms: [9:00] Yeah yeah I'm not sure how I could hear him, with my headset on I normally can't but I straight hurt says give me the answer, okay six words, go your self right now no no that's not that's not proper.  Pastor Bill: [9:27] What I've been saying for years is already six words life sucks and then you die.  Pastor Newms: [9:34] That's seven life sucks.  Pastor Bill: [9:36] Life sucks and then you die.  Pastor Newms: [9:54] Do you mind seven.  [10:01] No it's 8 I don't know man I don't know.  Pastor Bill: [10:07] Go to ekk. House to get your life sucks and then you die pins.  Pastor Newms: [10:12] Can we get the 144 Biggs also life something and then she leaves your butt.  Pastor Bill: [10:24] Non words.  Pastor Newms: [10:25] It's nine words and so is to live is Christ to die is gain it was eight I was like.  Pastor Bill: [10:32] That's it where it's done.  [10:37] Alive to Christ dead to sin.  Pastor Newms: [10:49] Shorter but I can't think of any that are six I thought I thought maybe like you know well here we go again.  Pastor Bill: [11:00] Well here we go again.  Pastor Newms: [11:01] You know you enter into a store you're like well here we go again your wife's like hey I need you to welp we go again you got a package in you know you got to build something well here we go again.  Pastor Bill: [11:12] I mean you could you could go with five words and they could be a good say Tuesdays it's always Tuesdays if you would be like what do you mean it's always Tuesday.  [11:36] I only care on days ending in queue.  Pastor Newms: [11:38] All right all joking aside I don't know man all joking aside I actually don't know what, to sum up my motto in six words would be nearly impossible I mean.  Pastor Bill: [11:59] You can't have beauty without pain.  Pastor Newms: [12:03] Don't be a yeah love people don't be a there you go six words, there's mine.  Pastor Bill: [12:19] People don't be a penis.  Pastor Newms: [12:20] There's there's mine.  Pastor Bill: [12:37] I need to find my buddy cross and put them up on my shelf.  Pastor Newms: [12:40] You should you should I was really sad in the middle of covid when two of my girls had covid they did a Moby pop-up shop in Nashville, and we had two confirmed cases of covid and me and my wife sat down and we were like I look at my wife and I'm like baby.  Pastor Bill: [13:04] Is it worth it.  Pastor Newms: [13:05] What if I just go and leave everyone else here I've only been exposed a little, a lot like I can wear mask the whole time and she's like if you got someone sick if you found out, there was like everyone they are got sick you get to heaven at the end of time whatever the case is and you're like congratulations you killed 14 people by accident how would you feel I was like yeah I know I'm can't do it I just really really want to and I believe it was bigs actually offered to go up there, for me just so I could get like the stuff I didn't really want I don't care about the food I just wanted to stuff because I like to collect, stuff I mean it's kind of one of my things dragons like to hoard things it happens um, so and I was like no I don't want you to drive into downtown Nashville that's just it's brutal now after you get off work and speed be a whole thing so.  Pastor Bill: [14:16] Bill old time.  Pastor Newms: [14:17] It's a whole thing getting in right now everything in Nashville is under construction everything.  Pastor Bill: [14:23] We can see behind you.  Pastor Newms: [14:26] Yeah he means like I hoard.  Pastor Bill: [14:30] Oh  Pastor Newms: [14:30] My yeah and like we cleaned out a closet just for additional things and there's you know, 20-something boxes of books outside that are slowly getting moved in as we get book, bookshelves in here so all right I think we are now officially warmed up it's been 20 minutes.  Pastor Bill: [14:56] Indeed League indeed lie.  Pastor Newms: [14:58] Congratulations so tonight we are talking, about something that is extremely important and that very often, we as the capital city Church fail at miserably over and over and over again and so I titled, this one because while you've been gone Pastor Bill except for last week they have all been very very clever titles, I haven't been clever titles they've just been really cruddy questions but um.  [15:43] You know it's one of the things so I titled this one is salvation the end goal and, you know this is a leading question let's be honest this is a question that's made to go yeah of course because, it is to a degree it should be our goal to help people find Salvation, and to have salvation and to live like we have said salvation, but the thing I want to talk about is the factor of, what else so we have the whole aspect of, the text so I'm going to have to type it out my bad so Matthew 28, we're going to do we're going to do 18 through 20 but we're going to talk about a little more than that but that's what we're going to truly.  Pastor Bill: [17:01] The Great Commission.  Pastor Newms: [17:02] Suck the Great Commission so so often, you know in the church capital c not individual sees because some churches are doing it correctly in the capital c church we forget the.  [17:23] Biggest Commission in my opinion that Jesus gives us, here's a thing you should go to and I say it's the greatest even though my favorite is, love you know love God love people, you know love thy neighbor you know the things he says like that you know but in my mind in order to do this in order to do this commission you have to love people anyway because you can't, do it without loving people so let's jump into it so to be clear the Great Commission, we'll jump back to 16 the eleven disciples traveled to Galilee to the mountain where Jesus had directed them when they saw him they worshipped but some doubted Jesus came near to them and said to them all authority has been given to me in heaven and on Earth, go therefore and Make Disciples of all Nations baptizing them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you and remember I am with you always to the End of the Age so.  [18:40] You know people look at this and they think to themselves okay we have to go Witness we've got to get people saved that's the Great Commission and.  Pastor Bill: [18:55] We take a second look at the the word Authority there.  Pastor Newms: [18:58] I thought that's a good word yeah we definitely can uh-huh.  Pastor Bill: [19:07] I just I'm here I'm here reading it and I'm like we need to talk about that for a second because it is Authority but it's also jurisdiction Liberty Power right strength, but what really stuck out to me is privileged.  Pastor Newms: [19:22] Huh.  Pastor Bill: [19:23] All privileges given me in heaven and in Earth, so we talked we talked you know in our culture we talk a lot about privilege.  Pastor Newms: [19:32] Mmm.  Pastor Bill: [19:33] Are you have privilege you can do that because you have privilege you ate as believers, anyway yeah.  Pastor Newms: [19:52] End, you know I find it interesting when you start breaking down this so much.  [20:08] The first off the power, the privilege to say so the aspects of having it the fact that it was delegated is one of those other nice words.  Pastor Bill: [20:24] Delegated influence.  Pastor Newms: [20:25] Yeah so it's given, I do like that it says the force and I know that means not what we mean it to be, according to this Jesus was full of the force.  Pastor Bill: [20:40] Full of force.  Pastor Newms: [20:41] So that just that made me giggle when I read that, and it's not the fact that he has it it's the fact that he was given to him also.  Pastor Bill: [20:53] Right if you look at the word that it comes from which is existing.  Pastor Newms: [20:58] Hm  Pastor Bill: [20:59] It says, I'm personally it is right through the figurative idea of being out in public to be.  [21:20] This privileged this jurisdiction and Authority legally is this was a legal transaction that gave me this.  [21:35] However this Authority this jurisdiction is Liberty this this right this shrink.  Pastor Newms: [21:55] And it's interesting when you look at different, translations on how they they put it also so if you look at like the KJV it just says teach All Nations, and then it says teaching but it's it's different it's to become a pupil of, to be a scholar to it's not as simple as to teach and I think that's in and of itself a huge part of the problem with why we've missed, the Great Commission as a large hole over time is because of, that misuse of that word teach in the KJV whereas in the csb and you know what you hear a lot more now is the hole, making disciples because.  Pastor Bill: [23:03] The word in verse 19 it.  Pastor Newms: [23:06] Oh yeah yeah.  Pastor Bill: [23:23] Which is do literally Tootsie.  Pastor Newms: [23:24] To teach yeah and I think yeah.  Pastor Bill: [23:27] Two completely different words that King James translates adds the same idea.  Pastor Newms: [23:33] And and I think that that starts to cause you know part of our problem as a culture when we when we, so often have not dug into scripture just, Reddit moved on heard it moved on you know things like that and that is of itself is funny to me because, dates this command which is.  Pastor Bill: [24:02] The one where the one gentleman that was joining us from her face to face over and over and over and, we had this one conversation where he got frustrated and he said so what every time I read the Bible I'm supposed to go back to the original language and find out what they were talking about, I don't have time for that I just want to read it in the King James and then applied to my life and I was like no that's exactly what we're saying you to do if you don't have contacts, then how do you know how to apply it to your life oh what did I just read it but but the words use their don't have the same meaning as the word you're using now, English has morphed, so you're reading words they're thinking it's saying one thing when it really meant something else and you don't know what those translators meant unless you go back to the original and go oh well this word actually means this.  Pastor Newms: [24:53] And then even farther it's the act of studying you know what was going on at the time because.  Pastor Bill: [24:59] Why would he why would he choose to use those words.  Pastor Newms: [25:03] Yeah it's like.  Pastor Bill: [25:04] That's the context of the context you know.  Pastor Newms: [25:06] Yeah like the eye of the camel the eye of the needle you know when you when you look at the eye of the needle today you're like oh yeah a rich person can never do it.  Pastor Bill: [25:16] We and I have needles real small how do you fit a camel to that.  Pastor Newms: [25:18] It's real small and you're like you're like no no because you'd have to guide the camel and push the camel in you'd have to massage the.  Pastor Bill: [25:25] Door in a wall of a city they're not talking about a sewing needle.  Pastor Newms: [25:29] It's little things like that that when you don't have that context you don't know what the words behind the words are or the meaning behind the words and and let's be honest we struggle with it now too, because we're using the Strong's Concordance which strong wrote you know how long ago so, some of those words are still confusing and not a hundred percent but that's also where the Holy Spirit comes into play and where you have to compare it with everything else in Scripture, so that way, people often take the one verse and be like okay there's one verse about it and see that means I'm right but then when you look at it that one verses that say what you think it says and it doesn't line up with the rest of scripture but we've based whole dogmas whole groups of language you know groups of beliefs on one single thing.  Pastor Bill: [26:25] We've lost sections of teaching that the churches churches used to teach because, pastors lost some pastors lost this idea of what does that mean and I so I found one scripture that says one thing and then this other scripture that's supposed to support it, doesn't support it in my language it seems to be a contradiction, well yeah because in the original it does support it and any even in King James is time it's still supported it but because language changes now those two scriptures that mean the same thing use words that make it feel, like they do.  Pastor Newms: [27:07] Yeah and so I think it's really important when we're looking at things, and and this is something that when we are discipling someone in the faith we have to have those types of conversations we can't just hand them, a new testament in any translation or message or you know any format just hand it to him say okay here go have fun welcome to Christianity yay, you know that's that's something that's happened year generation after generation year after year we've stopped discipling new Christians.  Pastor Bill: [27:49] Even even when we were going with he Mania, I know some people have complained it in on some mission trips they didn't they just hit and run hit and run the everyone that I went on we were always working closely with, translators who were recruited by local churches who were giving out information on who those churches were and getting those people's information so the churches could follow up you know what I mean.  Pastor Newms: [28:13] Yeah and that's.  Pastor Bill: [28:14] And not just a hit-and-run hit-and-run hit-and-run but more of a hey here's this.  [28:28] People from the area.  Pastor Newms: [28:29] And and what you just said is what's so important about this is the relational aspect the difference between teaching someone something and having a disciple is, the relationship so like if you're just teaching, teaching from a Pulpit teaching from a tape teaching online teaching by text writing books whatever if that's all that's being done for new Christians and new people to the faith and people trying to find faith.  Pastor Bill: [29:00] We do need teachers so it's not like that's not a need.  Pastor Newms: [29:01] We do you have no it that's the second that's the second part we have to teach him but we also have, have those relationships to bring people together.  [29:32] So that's a great question and it's very important one, and I think it is at the point where you are comfortable, and where you are starting to also spread the message you know I think it's you who said it before I don't remember where you got it if you're not willing to take a phone call, in the middle of the night from someone who you've led to the Lord you're doing something wrong and, because if you are leading people to Christ you should be trying to also disciple now.  Pastor Bill: [30:13] It's not about numbers it's about true Faith conversion discipleship relationship, new life you know James talks about if you see your brother cold and hungry and you just say be well-fed and stay warm, can you really not done anything for them it's the same way with salvation if you see someone struggling spiritually and and you hey you know you should get saved and here's this prayer say this prayer now go live your life, you've not actually done anything you've planted a seed but nothing else you've literally you need to follow you up you need to walk that mile.  Pastor Newms: [30:57] And I think that's part of a huge issue in our culture and I don't mean just American culture I mean the church's culture overall is what you also said about the prayer you know, we talked about in scripture you know believe in confess right.  Pastor Bill: [31:17] Confess with your mouth and believe in your heart.  Pastor Newms: [31:19] Right the key there is there's an ant we as a culture so often have left out that and and are just pushing for confessions you know hey at church, and I get it to some degree what I'm about to say is not necessarily A condemnation but it's we get to the end of service, let's say you do the prayer you know for anyone who wants to raise your hand, thanks and good night the thanks and goodnight swear there's a problem the.  Pastor Bill: [31:51] One of the things that a lot of a lot of ministers will openly admit to, is that these churches who have that format of we do the sinner's prayer every Sunday every Sunday, is they'll talk about people who respond 10 15 20 times to the sinner's prayer because, they still feel convicted they still feel like they're not saved they still feel that pool and it's simply because they don't actually believe yet, buying all of your hype and they're feeling all of the coercion and all of you know all of that but they're not actually believing yet.  Pastor Newms: [32:34] And I think that's it comes down to a lot of what we're seeing also in people exiting, the faith is yeah you said a prayer and because you were taught if you say a prayer you are then you get down the road and you're like I don't agree with this at all.  Pastor Bill: [32:53] Actually believe that any of this.  Pastor Newms: [32:54] Believe in this I don't feel this I don't it's like okay well you didn't then.  Pastor Bill: [33:00] Because you never did you never were a Believer not trying to judge you not trying to judge the way you thought you're living your life simply pointing a light on, you're not wrong you're not you know.  Pastor Newms: [33:12] Yeah.  Pastor Bill: [33:14] You're feeling this dysphoria in this confusion in this oh my gosh I've wasted all this time yeah but that's not your fault that's the fault of the guy that coerced you with this, it will cut and paste lie about what salvation was.  Pastor Newms: [33:27] And didn't have the follow-up because there are people that there are churches out there that do the prayer or do the rays of the hand or do this come forward and then they do the follow-up it's okay you know here's information.  Pastor Bill: [33:42] And there are people that truly are ready, when that call comes I like me I responded to an altar call at a big youth conference and acquire the fire youth, but I was ready I was there I was convicted I was at that point of belief.  Pastor Newms: [34:02] And that's what's so important is we have to and and, you know the big part we're going to be talking just so you guys are all aware, the next several weeks is all about discipleship so many different facets talked about for the next couple weeks because maybe I have or have not, currently been doing a Bible study by.  Pastor Bill: [34:32] No yeah that's his how this works yeah we this this series of episodes is inspired by Tony Evans what was it called I can't remember the name.  Pastor Newms: [34:39] It's Kingdom disciples.  Pastor Bill: [34:45] Kingdom disciples that this pole six-week series is inspired by.  Pastor Newms: [34:48] Yep.  Pastor Bill: [34:50] Tony Evans Kingdom disciples Bible study.  Pastor Newms: [34:52] Yep and and so because of that you know it's going to be, it's going to be discipleship and different aspects of discipleship you know not just it's not gonna be the same conversation for six weeks don't worry, some of its going to get repeated but not all of it what are the other things that, is so important about this verse to me is we've missed it as a culture and the biggest part, and problem I have with it is it's not our Generations fault and I will say it is not our parents Generations fault and I will say, not their Generations you know it's.  Pastor Bill: [35:39] Last week we were talking about Malachi and how when they opened the law to read the law the people wept, not because they felt like it was their fault or their parents fault of their parents parents fault but the fact that they had this revelation of we didn't know and we weren't told, the people before us weren't told and if you before them weren't told so but now we know the truth.  Pastor Newms: [36:05] Yeah at some point we lost a big chunk of and and I think you know we hear this, recently a lot in, in churches and in religious Circles of there's an exodus from Christianity and the people that are staying in Christianity want to change it, or want to update it because they've quote unquote got new Revelations that no one has ever believed in and so because of that you know they're probably wrong and we're traditionalists and and ducted up to that you know some thick some complaints are happening in certain circles but it's that situation like we were talking about Malachi where, it's not that, this generation and I'm definitely not saying me but this generation's new Revelations and including people like, you know dr. Evans and people like you know prominent authors people who have been studying people have been using the same translation of the Bible for most of their Ministry and then all of a sudden were like you know what, there's this new version of the Bible that I really really like so for my whole next study I'm actually going to take all my notes from years and years and put it in a Bible and produce that also you know and.  Pastor Bill: [37:28] There's the issue of okay, duration of Christians that are going, we really shouldn't be doing church this way we really shouldn't be doing things this way how we know that's not one of those how do we know it's not when John is writing the Book of Revelation he also hears Mysteries and the angel says no no those aren't for you to reveal yet, those are for later how do we know that's not what's happening.  Pastor Newms: [38:07] Or it's not and we don't know what they are yeah I know I know I know what you're saying yeah.  Pastor Bill: [38:16] That it goes back to the thing of Paul that says hey if it's good embrace it if it's bad don't but don't reject the whole idea just go, hey you know what maybe that might be good maybe it's a good thing to tell people who are attracted to the same sex they are that yeah we could use your help, you know updating our facilities and reaching out to our communities and acting in love and embrace those people hand-in-hand and go you know what let's make a.  [38:59] Wow Pastor down the road that we invited to come speak for us is on his second marriage and that woman was his secretary that he cheated on his first wife with and then left her to marry him, wait a second so that sexual sins okay but okay okay I'm yeah.  Pastor Newms: [39:22] Yeah.  Pastor Bill: [39:23] I'm on I'm on back off because I'm getting I'm getting.  Pastor Newms: [39:25] You're getting on your soapbox and and that's okay but that's but that's that's part of what this is about is you know we've so much looked at for so long the aspects of, this is what how we do it this is exactly how this is exactly this is the only way but the problem is, you know in talking about that whole let's not blame the people above us the people above them the people that you know, the last several Generations the issue isn't with them they were doing what they were taught they were doing what they were taught they were doing what they were taught they studied because, confirmation bias you can study, I'm not never going to say that those people did not study the word pour into it try to understand it and come away, with confirmation with the holy spirit that they were correct because the Holy Spirit speaks to each of us differently, what is sin for one is not for another you know we have lots of passages that we've talked about so many times we situations like this so it's no wonder.  Pastor Bill: [40:29] Put also the Holy Spirit doesn't approve.  [40:51] Given the Martin Luther because it was intended for Martin Luther.  Pastor Newms: [40:53] Unless it was given to him and then he ignored it and then God gave it to Martin Luther also you know but that's a whole other issue.  Pastor Bill: [41:01] That were the case every time that's been the case in my in my experience every time that's been the case the person who received the Revelation has always said I was told this was for somebody else.  Pastor Newms: [41:11] Yeah.  Pastor Bill: [41:12] And then they came to me because the other person said no Martin Luther never said.  Pastor Newms: [41:16] No he did and I'm not trying to say that's what happened I'm just saying you know that is the does happen sometimes.  Pastor Bill: [41:22] It does happen.  Pastor Newms: [41:24] But I think it's so important that we look at the discipleship of people you know we as a culture failed, the capital c church has failed time and time again because we're human you know that that's you know when we look at, when we look at things like sin and you know you say something like oh the capital churches is terrible or this local church is horrible or this and you're like you're like well yeah because it's ran by, people.  Pastor Bill: [41:59] That was the point if the church was perfect then there'd be no room for faith without faith there'd be no room for salvation, so we'd all be going to hell if the Bible was literal and true and the church was perfect and not made of men then there would be no faith and we'd all be going to hell.  Pastor Newms: [42:21] If God revealed everything to us in Scripture, then we wouldn't need faith faith is such an important aspect of our faith because that's what we title belief systems.  Pastor Bill: [42:36] Of our faith but I mean seriously that's why that I mean it's literally it's as plain as the nose on our faces this is why the Bible isn't, an inerrant infallible textbook of, that reveals everything about God this is why Jesus chose 12 very fallible men one of them who betrayed him and then killed himself one of them who was Peter, which it's debatable on whether or not Peter was worse than Judas.  Pastor Newms: [43:11] It depends on what sins were lining up next to each other really.  Pastor Bill: [43:15] Right in our opinion right, he built this in they built this fallible Church, because if it was perfect if it was infallible then your trust would be in the church your trust would be in the Bible and your faith and trust wouldn't be in God.  Pastor Newms: [43:34] And as mr. groggy just said in chat if it revealed everything we wouldn't believe it it blow our minds we couldn't handle it.  Pastor Bill: [43:44] Like when at the end of Dogma when God speaks, and the Revelation just literally blows people's heads off of hearing God's voice that's what it would be like, exactly what it'd be like.  Pastor Newms: [43:59] Just a couple weeks ago I was watching the supernatural when the Angels speak that even even.  Pastor Bill: [44:03] Oh man the archangels.  Pastor Newms: [44:05] That it's just like oops.  Pastor Bill: [44:08] They literally have to take over human bodies and then speak to the human bodies because if they speak without a human body then people's heads to start exploding.  Pastor Newms: [44:16] Now that's the supernatural Dogma let's be.  Pastor Bill: [44:19] Yeah this is Supernatural take on.  Pastor Newms: [44:21] Yeah let's be clear we're not saying that's what actually happens with angels because I'm not putting angels in any form of box because I'm not going there.  Pastor Bill: [44:33] Well every time God speaks in the Bible why is it always just still small voice it's because God's Whispering because if he talks louder than a whisper, we're up the creek I love the line from Dogma where metatron's like we went through seven Adams before we figured that out.  Pastor Newms: [44:51] Oh the late great Alan Rickman love that man.  Pastor Bill: [44:55] Yeah Alan Rickman 7 I don't have any items it was but it was you know whether we're in a certain amount of atoms we figured out that humans can't hear God's voice doesn't work.  Pastor Newms: [45:07] Kevin Smith, he's getting his own comic book series like a whole group of them supposedly Dark Horse which give him some Dark Horse Comics that's gonna be exciting anyway um will stop fangirling over directors that we love and go.  Pastor Bill: [45:27] You know it's just going to be blunt man and chronic it's not gonna be anything cool it's just going to be blunt man and chronic sitting around getting high.  Pastor Newms: [45:32] If you do a bluntman and chronic Dark Horse version I'm dead like I mean on you know Dark Horse.  Pastor Bill: [45:40] There's going to be like skulls goal of bongs like.  Pastor Newms: [45:42] Yeah bongs that's what you're looking for it yeah so back to.  Pastor Bill: [45:49] Back to Matthew 28:9 18 through 20.  Pastor Newms: [45:53] So when we look at that this is what's so important for us is to make disciples now when, yeah like when Jesus wait she just told Lazarus to come I'm confused on where Biggs went with that.  Pastor Bill: [46:11] Yeah me too.  Pastor Newms: [46:12] Like when Jesus told Lazarus to come out of the Tomb that he was in for three days I there's always a delay, with pigs typing because they get it delayed and then they he has to type it burn away for him to give us some more context, I'm probably sure I probably don't disagree with him because I usually don't but um me and Biggs is, oh voice value yeah yeah exactly Jesus Jesus has the voice, you know even God in Jesus's body can straight talk through you know, spiritual Realms and like you know called Lazarus back to his body and tell him to come out you know okay cool I'm with you now Biggs.  Pastor Bill: [47:13] It's raining on your cultural viewpoint on when the soul leaves the body according to the Jewish Viewpoint he was still there the Angels hadn't come to take him out of the body yet.  Pastor Newms: [47:26] He was just in adamant at the moment but still had to wake him up.  Pastor Bill: [47:33] Yeah had to have the ability to wake him up.  Pastor Newms: [47:34] Asleep and which Jesus says several times it's fine she's just asleep I'll go take care of it you're fine so I think that's so important though is that.  Pastor Bill: [47:45] Jesus what do you mean she's just asleep what do you want me to do you want me to say she's dead and just like wreck their whole world what and I could have just as easily said that but I mean it's the same thing to me.  Pastor Newms: [47:59] But mother favorite you know Jesus Jesus is often times so downplayed in how he actually was when you really think about it so it's like, come get up and walking and send no more, you know the one time when he says something like that in the Pharisees are like you can't say that and he's like what would you rather me say all of his sins are forgiven move on like and they're like no we wouldn't want you to say that because.  Pastor Bill: [48:30] 20 when he heals when he tells when he heals the hand of the man whose hand was shriveled is what you're.  Pastor Newms: [48:34] Oh is that what it is okay.  Pastor Bill: [48:36] Doesn't do extend his hand and be healed as you can't do that on us on a Sabbath and he goes would you rather me say your sins have been forgiven you, and then like.  Pastor Newms: [48:48] It's just you know.  Pastor Bill: [48:53] The SAS man the absolute SAS.  Pastor Newms: [48:55] He had sass so the main point as we wrap up here because we're right at time that I really want to make is, we're not saying in any way that what you've done is wrong your evil you shouldn't be preaching you shouldn't be any of that what we're saying is.  Pastor Bill: [49:20] I'm saying it's wrong I'm saying you're not at fault.  Pastor Newms: [49:24] The the problem is we've got to take it to that next step you know the preaching is great, people saved is amazing it is important we're not trying to say salvation isn't important of course not because that would be insanity, but we have to continue to disciple the people that we.  Pastor Bill: [49:46] You can't tell Mission can't be your opener.  Pastor Newms: [49:50] Right you shouldn't be yours.  Pastor Bill: [49:53] Holy Spirit specifically tells you.  Pastor Newms: [49:55] Yeah now there are people who have had the seeds the seeds done and done and done and done and they come they can walk into your church what angle I need to find Jesus because that has happened.  Pastor Bill: [50:06] Yeah but if the person has enough seeds planted that you asking them if they want salvation if they're at that point then you being a loving human being that is open about your relationship with God, we'll also have the same.  Pastor Newms: [50:21] Yeah cuz they know that it's safe to talk to you, and then we have to continue with that friendship that building upon them that teaching them, training them working with them as, fellow Believers and discipling them to equip them to be able to do the right thing not just telling them good you're good to go here's a Bible figure it out peace and then wondering why, fifty hundred years down the road our nation is where it is and I'm gonna leave it at that and let you believe whatever you want on that.  Pastor Bill: [51:02] I'm reminded of Smith Wigglesworth early on in his very very very long as the ministry he steps onto a train car, and a guy sees his face and goes, gets up you've convinced me of my sin and gets on his knees how can I be safe, and then he leads them to the Lord right then and there and it's like that guy was ready and also nose Wiggles were a dentist step onto the train car and the guy was already ready.  [51:42] I'm not mixing stories right he's the plumber that couldn't read.  Pastor Newms: [51:46] I believe so.  Pastor Bill: [51:49] Yeah and then couldn't read never was never taught to read and then picked up a Bible and was like hey look I can read this.  Pastor Newms: [52:00] Big and Pentecostalism.  Pastor Bill: [52:09] Was that Charles Capps that was the plumber could.  Pastor Newms: [52:10] I think you might be off Wigglesworth was the bishop who was, illiterate as a child unschooled because of his labors he worked as a plumber, he abandoned it because he became too busy after he started preaching so I yes I believe you are he also had lots and lots of, peelings attached to him.  Pastor Bill: [52:53] Came into possession of his first Bible that he owns because he memorized Psalm 91 the longest, chapter in the Bible as part of the contest whoever could memorize accurately the most of Psalms 91 would win their own Bible and he was borrowing another Bible.  [53:23] You could win his own Bible because it was actually hard to get a Bible then it wasn't like you could just, go into any church and be like hey can I get a free Bible or go into any bookstore going to Walmart either there was another you know, now their Bibles everywhere but it wasn't always so.  Pastor Newms: [53:45] It wasn't all right so that's all I had to do you have anything else Pastor Bill.  Pastor Bill: [53:53] Did you know the number one item stolen from Christian bookstores as leather-bound Bibles.  Pastor Newms: [54:01] I mean that makes sense it's the number one thing sold at Christian bookstores.  Pastor Bill: [54:08] But I mean it's another one thing stolen is the book that literally says do not steal.  [54:30] This to last time you stole one did you.  Pastor Newms: [54:32] Okay I'll give you that if you're stealing multiple Bibles unless you're off giving them away to homeless or giving way to last for.  Pastor Bill: [54:39] A little bit you're pulling a Robin Hood, steal him from the corporations to get in the way down was.  [54:52] I love it.  Pastor Newms: [54:52] I can't say I'm against it.  Pastor Bill: [54:57] Yeah big says they hadn't read it yet.  Pastor Newms: [54:59] Yeah yeah yeah alright so thank you so much for joining us those that joined us live, great those it listened great, but you should come join us live because it's more fun one you get to hear things everyone else doesn't, and I would love to say it's because we cut a bunch in post but it's really just the beginning in the end cuz I'm not editing stuff, but come join us you can be part of the conversation and build relationships because that's what this is all about, and you can talk and chat or you know, fellowshipping I know like my parents watch it together and then talk about it while it's being watched and then call me after if they need to you know things like that you know let's come together and.  Pastor Bill: [55:55] Call you after.  Pastor Newms: [55:55] Sometimes you know sometimes kiss.  Pastor Bill: [55:58] And sometimes that goes well and sometimes.  Pastor Newms: [56:01] We don't always we do.  Pastor Bill: [56:02] There are disagreements but that's part of being Berean.  Pastor Newms: [56:05] Yes we don't agree on everything and that's perfectly fine there are times where me and you have phone calls afterwards and it's like you know I even tonight you're like I don't like your title and I was like well this, this is why the title is there and you're like oh I don't like it though I'm like okay.  Pastor Bill: [56:24] If you learned.  Pastor Newms: [56:25] You little.  Pastor Bill: [56:26] We don't have to agree on everything.  Pastor Newms: [56:27] Yeah we don't and so come join us which that I'm pretty.  Pastor Bill: [56:35] The Jesus thing.  Pastor Newms: [56:36] Oh yeah Jesus Jesus is important that's the thing we agree on.  Pastor Bill: [56:40] Everything else is gravy.  Pastor Newms: [56:41] It is it is and to be clear it's not just Jesus he's cool and that cesspits not you know there's more to it than.  Pastor Bill: [56:49] Jesus is Lord.  Pastor Newms: [56:51] Yeah so come join us we record this Sunday nights at 6:30 Central whatever time we live in now, I don't know whether it's you have to say the daylight or not I get so confused I don't know.  Pastor Bill: [57:07] Right now it's CD t--  Pastor Newms: [57:09] Yeah but there's the whole thing about the laws and the changing in the stuff.  Pastor Bill: [57:13] It hasn't happened yet though so.  Pastor Newms: [57:15] I just don't know when it's going on I don't know anyway um, join us we're on Twitch Facebook and YouTube and then come join us and you could talk in the chat over there and.  Pastor Bill: [57:33] The podcast is available everywhere the podcast anywhere that you can buy your podcast, you can buy our podcast there for the low low cost of go to the free section.  Pastor Newms: [57:42] Free yeah.  Pastor Bill: [57:44] To buy episodes of our podcast.  Pastor Newms: [57:50] Weird Apple people do you accept two down to click on every episode on Apple is that an apple thing, what are you talking about, boy okay so I hope you guys have a great week we will see you next time go to our website ekk not house for more info on anything and you, look like in 50 years.  Pastor Bill: [58:17] Tip yeah there's 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Transcript: Berean Manifesto Live Recording! Season 3 Episode 90: Is This The End??? Or A Beginning???

Pastor Newms: [0:00] And then go hello and welcome to season 3 episode 90. Of the brand Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern. Pastor Bill: [0:13] Modern Christian. Pastor Newms: [0:14] I'm pastor newms and with me tonight is Pastor Bill. [0:21] Again yeah and yes Biggs that is the glare from the light and I'm going to fix it in a weird way because I'm not going to fix it in the correct way because to be honest, that smart light needs to be added to the house and we didn't get it added to the house in time because we went back to Home Depot and if anyone just saw I'm wearing shorts so don't judge me it's, I'm wearing shorts and I'm wearing a non graphic tee on a church night so, what's up y'all it's been a week so let's start by talking about our weeks, as I might or might not have mentioned we were doing some house stuff in preparing for a new friend to come stay with us and, he is here I'm looking at his empty desk chair at the moment because he is still downstairs eating with the girls because we got fast food while I after I dropped off the moving truck I flew out to DFW Friday, afternoon evening ish Pastor Bill and his son Gerg showed up too, our friend, I don't know if he wants us to use his real name or one of his gaming names in the Stream and I forgot to ask him because I haven't named him on purpose. Pastor Bill: [1:47] So within we use the gaming name. Pastor Newms: [1:49] Even I can't remember how to pronounce it because I'm yeah that, yeah so he's now living with us and so we're good. Pastor Bill: [2:04] Yeah he's ok he's eating but he can hear you apparently he replied Sez. Pastor Newms: [2:10] Okay gaming name and says okay perfect so. [2:20] There's no telling whether Biggs was making a joke or if there was a typo so we're just going to go with it so my so flew in on Friday Pastor Bill and Gerg, gracefully showed up to help us pack the truck which we weren't 100% expecting and so because of that we were able to get the truck packed in a couple hours instead of the almost day that I thought it was going to be of me and, me and him you know bringing stuff out we straight like, just pack the truck and so we ate dinner and then got on the road and we ended up here at about 11:00, and I just realized that I forgot to tell, Pastor Bill when we did get into Tennessee safely I just just realized that I did not communicate with him until today but that's okay because. He knows how I am so he's not going to judge me for that but. Pastor Bill: [3:22] I figured if something went wrong wrong like I'd be getting a call from your wife, and I didn't get a call from your wife so I was like I said everything is fine. Pastor Newms: [3:30] So this week is a little different as we've said yeah it's big says hey Pastor Bill he's safe in Tennessee. Pastor Bill: [3:43] Serve now because I was wondering. Pastor Newms: [3:45] Pastor Bill is back yay for those out there who didn't figure that out in the time that I've been talking and hearing him so far but that's okay we. For the next you know for the last couple of weeks we've been going through basically, it's been the there that's better he's now bigger congratulations. Pastor Bill: [4:35] You make me bigger. Pastor Newms: [4:36] I did make you bigger I made you as big as I think I make myself normally because I never fully fleshed-out what you would look like on here, I just put your box in the corner like when I need him he's there. Pastor Bill: [4:52] You put me in the corner. Pastor Newms: [4:53] I put baby in the corner so we drove here, we've been biggest came over today Biggs put up blackout curtains for our, office Biggs put up blackout curtains in his bedroom change the shower head hung some extra pictures this week that was last week he helped us get some light bulbs put in right biggs's hearing about this for the first time but the next time Biggs is over we have a couple of new things to be installed in the house that we stopped and got at Home Depot and I also got clips for the outside of the house too, run the wire that I drilled into the side of my house our Network wire, mom says I'm saying too much information and so you know it happens so yeah Biggs helped us out with a whole bunch of stuff in the house and so it's just been a kind of a runny, you know catching up week and so I did not. [6:14] Fully start the next part so we've been talking about you know the things I believed in and I. [6:25] You know kind of the things that I feel the strongest about that we either Miss as Christians or that we don't do quite right or that could be better in and that's what we've been talking about for the last several weeks, and then starting next week we're going to be talking about discipleship and being a disciple, for several weeks, based heavily on a amazing Bible study by an amazing person and we'll get into that next week, and we. So this week because the week has been a little crazy and crazy at work as well, we're just going to be talking about a filler, not a filler episode but it's not in our the format that I've been doing and it's not our next, Story series so this was kind of a filler one so Pastor Bill how was your week, do you really find it that fun being in the corner cuz you keep looking up at me. Pastor Bill: [7:47] Tell me as I can look up at you and you're like huh. Pastor Newms: [7:51] So you do see why I continue to do that to you and because it always irritates you like why are you doing that and I'll point it chat and you're like why are you pointing at chat now you see how fun it is being in the corner, and doing things like that the whole time you understand that don't you. Pastor Bill: [8:08] I understand now yeah I understand get it. Pastor Newms: [8:10] Yeah yeah so how was your week. Pastor Bill: [8:14] How is my weak man. Pastor Newms: [8:16] Let's rephrase that how was your 9 weeks, you can just talk about your week I'm joking with you they say haven't heard from you in nine weeks. Pastor Bill: [8:28] That's a lot of info to don't bother one time nine weeks worth of. Pastor Newms: [8:32] Yeah that weeks of how you do it that would be that. Pastor Bill: [8:37] On day one week one I got up and I ate breakfast. Pastor Newms: [8:39] Oh no we're not going that route homie. Pastor Bill: [8:47] Now this week was good I guess they don't remember much of the week / get the usual I mean I remember coming and helping load a trailer on Friday evening. Pastor Newms: [8:57] Yeah I just do a fidget, at our middle child walking down the stairs because I can do that because the stairs are right next to my desk so in case you guys wondered why I just went woo I literally just threw my fidget at the child, so she gave she brought me back my fidget so since she brought me back my fidget she earned a hug for bringing back my fidget that I threw at her, because that's just fair, that's fair throwing a fidget at a child's head you deserve a hug after that because that's that's. Pastor Bill: [9:45] I officially registered a child for school without yelling at the people in the office. Pastor Newms: [9:51] Did you make it through without yelling this time wow that is amazing. Pastor Bill: [9:59] Last year last year I. Pastor Newms: [10:01] Last year you yelled a lot. Pastor Bill: [10:03] Man I yell at the people in the for those poor office people that were just trying to do their jobs this year I didn't yell at nobody I'm yeah one time and nobody. Pastor Newms: [10:12] I remember. Pastor Bill: [10:13] Is now gurke and Randa are both going to public school and that starts on Wednesday morning. Pastor Newms: [10:21] Starts Wednesday morning we are officially starting school, at some point next week because we were going to start Monday but I don't think I am I don't think I'm ready to start on Monday and so, Tennessee has this whole thing where you have to be in school doing education and logging your hours for 180 days, I don't know what so it's similar there I'm assuming now. Pastor Bill: [10:56] The public school is held to that standard but homeschool is not. Pastor Newms: [11:00] So here even homeschool you have to log 180 days and so because of that the girls were like well is that going to affect and I was like no because, you don't realize like at school school you have 180 educational days so like all those days that aren't educational those don't count, those are the those are the days that they lot for, snow days that you don't take and so the that's why that's why I was like maybe that's why that's why sometimes when you go to school they're like here's this picture hey let's watch a movie hey let it's because those days were, plan for in the lesson plans and I said so you know that's one of the aspects of homeschooling you can just kinda plow through those days and then use those days for Vacations or use those two as long as you're sticking to those days, so yeah so it's been a fun. Pastor Bill: [11:59] You're also going to find that. When you go to teach something instead of like in public school it would take an hour or two hours three hours because you've got to get everybody on the same page. Pastor Newms: [12:12] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [12:12] You're going to be doing like 10 to 15 minutes of teaching and it's going to be like okay well there's, what would have been 3 hours in public school cuz now you you've already learned it can you got one on one you know so everything goes a lot quicker. Pastor Newms: [12:25] Yeah and and we're going to do a lot of fun stuff to sonoda is going to be teaching math doing the initial lessons and then I was helping with homework and stuff. Pastor Bill: [12:39] I think about getting a CPA to teach maths. Pastor Newms: [12:41] You needed another yeah having a tax accountant, teach math is a whole lot easier and she's going to be teaching Spanish which. Pastor Bill: [12:55] One. Pastor Newms: [12:58] Is great for children to learn a second language and better when it's. Pastor Bill: [13:02] Neither you nor Tina. Pastor Newms: [13:05] Speak a second language. Pastor Bill: [13:06] Spanish. Pastor Newms: [13:07] Now to be fair to Tina to zaidi she speak she understands. Pastor Bill: [13:14] We're satiable understanding. Pastor Newms: [13:16] And she can read and understand what she reads she just cannot speak, so that's cool and then we learned. Pastor Bill: [13:27] The one side of her brain gets it but the other side. Pastor Newms: [13:30] Right. Pastor Bill: [13:31] Hasn't quite gotten it. Pastor Newms: [13:33] We also learned this week that we are going to be teaching them some light Early Educational programming as well as using. Pastor Bill: [13:47] You're going to be programming your kids. Pastor Newms: [13:49] No we're not we're not going to be programming to kids but since we have a programmer who now lives. Pastor Bill: [13:56] Oh program meaning I see I see your needs them how to program. Pastor Newms: [14:01] Lives there but sits right there in his chair now as he rocks, is going to be teaching he just did this when I said as he rocks as opposed to throwing up the rock fist as opposed to the fact that he's rocking in a chair hmm anyway. Pastor Bill: [14:22] Power up your breakfast. Pastor Newms: [14:24] He's going to be teaching some programming and maybe some other stuff that's fun so we're going to have a nice well-rounded group of for this you go to this person for this you go to that person as opposed to what you've had to do and Roxas had to do is it's the two of you and your you're doing everything I'm like hey I packed the house full of adults. Pastor Bill: [14:51] There are lots of online resources to. Homeschooling lots and lots and lots of online resources. Pastor Newms: [14:58] So your week has been good my week has been good the warm-up is taking a little longer this week that's going to. Pastor Bill: [15:08] When did you take the when did you take the board down the the Whiteboard. Pastor Newms: [15:16] The Whiteboard that was right here oh you oh you didn't you didn't listen to the podcast last week. We are in a completely different room, we are in the bonus room of my house which is now the office the office is now the classroom, and so we are in a completely different room which is why and you can't you can't see it because I hit the camera earlier this week and so I'll fix it but, above me right is your wife's bats and cholo Mander now lives up there, and our love thingy is up here I stink at directional pointing and, and so I have to readjust because in moving stuff I completely hid the camera earlier this week so that's actually better now but yes there is not a whiteboard here yet I will put it back up and I will draw the little man and I will write the words above the little man that, chat can't read which is good because mmm. They weren't nice where's anyway so. Pastor Bill: [16:34] All right is it time for getting to know the pastors. Pastor Newms: [16:37] It is time to getting know the pastor's do you actually want to pull a card since I've pulled a card. Pastor Bill: [16:41] You hate my cards though. Pastor Newms: [16:43] I do hate your card so let's reminisce on the fact that I hate your cards I pulled out my deck in case you were like I don't get ready for that I don't remember. Pastor Bill: [16:57] It says. Pastor Newms: [16:58] I'm going to laugh it stinks really bad. Pastor Bill: [17:00] Serious question do you count your steps. Pastor Newms: [17:06] Do I count my steps in the way of having a wish thing that counts my steps or do I count as I walk what do you want to interpret that as. Pastor Bill: [17:16] Who would who would all day long be like 128 thousand three hundred and seventy-four. Pastor Newms: [17:23] I don't count one two three four eight thousand 34 but I do count stairs steps between rooms steps as I walk through stores when I'm unconsciously doing so I'll find myself just counting while I walk or saying words like left right left right left right left right in my brain I do not currently use a step counter because. Pastor Bill: [17:49] Lip let brightly. Pastor Newms: [17:51] No I walk much faster than that it's not that slow we're not marching we're watching we're walking here we're walking. Pastor Bill: [17:58] We're walking here I'm walking here what's your name. Pastor Newms: [18:00] So do you wear a step counter I don't think you do. [18:15] Yeah so for us no pedometer. Pastor Bill: [18:21] An Apple iPod Nano that was you know with a watch band and it would count my steps. [18:43] I just know I know I had that one the thing when I was working at Gateway and I was walking an average of about anywhere from 10 to 13 miles a day. To do all the setups everyday. Pastor Newms: [18:56] That's too much walking that's too much walking okay so we have now gotten another pastors. And we have done the warmup, and it's so nice to have Pastor Bill joining us again because I didn't take 7 minutes like it did one of the weeks okay. Pastor Bill: [19:29] Last week we're talking about. Pastor Newms: [19:31] So this week we're talking about yeah Biggs I don't want to know how many steps you take in a day either because you're on that line, just walking around cars all day long and moving up and down and I don't even want to know like that's, that's craziness so what we're talking about this week for those of you watching on Twitch or something or watching on a podcast thing it's down there at the bottom and it said it when you clicked the episode unless you're just running through episode after episode but tonight's title is is this the end question mark question mark question mark or. Pastor Bill: [20:16] Don't Dom. Pastor Newms: [20:18] A beginning question mark question mark question, just an important thing you know as me and Bill have talked about, over the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of change a lot of differences a lot of a lot of moving around a lot of all kinds, differences in things and, you know we me and Pastor Bill yesterday. No day before yesterday when we were in person we're talking about the fact that you know sometimes. [21:03] It looks like the end when it's merely the beginning of a new chapter but it is nearly impossible when you're going through that end, to see the fact of oh wait we're just going to a new chapter we're beginning a new stage where transfer, where transitioning we're transforming we're becoming different were changing what we are who we are different things like that we have we struggled to see that as, people as humans now. [21:39] This part of the discussion tonight is not religious this this area of the discussion this is just, and so it's so hard so often so so far we haven't gotten to scripture yet Biggs will get there I promise, there's only two today but we'll get there so at this point you know it's, so often we're going through things we're learning things were starting starting a new year school you know that's the end of summer break, and as a kid I remember and I know I know Pastor Bill you member and anyone out there who listens to certain comedians you member but. [22:37] The, when that summer break ends you're like it's the end of the world like I don't want to go I don't want to go back every week, the weekend ends the work week starts for people who love their job all the work weekends and the weekend starts which if that's you, please find a hobby because stop being so excited. Pastor Bill: [23:11] Paying them to do it is their Hobby. Pastor Newms: [23:13] Some people are happy all the time and I don't understand because I'm not, I got it I got a mask at work where it's like how you guys doing you guys have a great day man I hope you're having a great. I have not yet. Pastor Bill: [23:35] Not going to spoil anything. Pastor Newms: [23:36] That's good cuz. Pastor Bill: [23:37] So they're there is a character in like 1312 1292 some like that, and just life is awful you know black plague and all kinds of stuff going on and and this guy's like I'm going to live forever and they're like really you want to live forever, maybe back here in 100 years, and we're going to see and so that's that's that's as much spoilers you're going to get is that the Hundred Years passes they me back up and then like so how's life been and he's been like oh life is awful. [24:20] Want to keep going he's probably keep living and so it's just funny as some people are just here's to Happy. Pastor Newms: [24:28] They're optimistic they're optimistic about life and there's nothing wrong with that, people being optimistic is good we need those type of people in the world to balance out those of us that, art and I love the argument so many times pessimists will make the argument I'm not a pessimist I'm a realist I'm just going with what snow, you're not you're a pessimist like the rest of us stop being prideful you're just you're just a pessimist who Who quote unquote is using. Pastor Bill: [25:00] I've said that I've used that before I've said no I'm a realist, honestly that's a pessimists answer, to the question of are you a pessimist or are you an optimist it's the pessimists answer of don't put me in a box. It's you can't you can't have it your way it's got I'm going to pick a third option because I do I can't see how being in either box is a good thing. Pastor Newms: [25:28] Hm Pastor Bill: [25:29] Oh so you're look you have a pessimistic outlook on even the scenario, and so really when you think about optimism. [25:44] Is when you're flying a plane there's the attitude is are you pointing at the ground are you pointing at the sky this is your attitude in a plane and pessimism your pointed down well you're going to go down, and optimism your pointed up you're going to go up so optimists have this way of. Seeing life in a certain way that they're expecting things to get better so when they get the opportunity to pounce on something getting better, they take advantage of those situations where as pessimists are expecting things to always get worse and so when life does get worse it's a reinforcement of we'll see I told you so, and when things can get better they go no I don't trust that I don't trust that that's just that's false. Pastor Newms: [26:32] It's going to get worse I saw very interesting, me more thing I remember I saw it I don't remember what I could even call it don't matter whether it was a video or meme or something it just the thought Stuck to me and it was it was that whole glass full glass empty, and they were like oh the glass is half-full all the glass is half empty and then another person was like the glass is exactly where it should be and that was supposed to be the realist and and then the fourth person was like the glass is full, glass is full because it's full of water it's half full of water and half full of air so it's full. Pastor Bill: [27:08] Completely full. Pastor Newms: [27:09] And you're like and that's not a pessimist or an optimist that's. Pastor Bill: [27:13] That's a Lay's chips employee. Pastor Newms: [27:15] That's we have a wall that's rude that's rude homie Lays chips are not the only one who do that we are not going to bad-mouth Frito-Lay cuz I like Frito-Lay it is not just Lays chips, it's all chips all chips do that except for Pringles Pringles doesn't I saw. Pastor Bill: [27:36] Girl Scouts of the kid is he becoming a puffed up there. Pastor Newms: [27:39] I saw I saw me bit it says shout out to Pringles they don't sell air and you're like I was like what oh, it's true which Frito-Lay has a version that is and it's they were in it didn't do well so they didn't keep going for very long I don't think I don't know if they're still even around but um, so you know when we look at things like that, there's positive there's - there's middle there's this there's but one of the things we have to look at is hey, let's we have to keep going together whether you think it's the end whether you think it's a beginning whether you think it's a transitional period whatever you think it is either way, please continue to think it is and please continue to move forward that's that's what's so important and, now for the. Christian part of the Brie and Manifesto for the week okay hold on. Pastor Bill: [28:45] Hold on hold on so whenever whenever someone talks about beginnings and. [29:09] Chip getting cheated on, um and I've heard that over and over and over and over and over you know how how you enter situation is how you're going to end up leaving the situation you if you get a new job, and you just walk out on your old job no notice no you no ample do, we respect and that's bad then you're setting yourself up to reap that again. [29:45] President Biden gave a speech I don't know if it was this week or last week or maybe it was an old clip anyway it was kind of funny because he said democracy and Insurrection don't mix, and I'm sitting there laughing like you do realize you're a president of a country that started by an act of insurrection right. Like you literally lead a Democratic Republic that started by hit active Insurrection so you can't say, the two don't mix they literally and that's what created this government was an act of insurrection, and got me a little worried because then I was like oh well if we started that way then. Pastor Newms: [30:32] Wow. Pastor Bill: [30:33] Ending that way. Pastor Newms: [30:34] Well let's think about this for a second if we started that way, at War right we have continued to be at War. Pastor Bill: [30:45] We don't know if we've ever not been at some win some more. Pastor Newms: [30:49] Either a conflict or War I mean we are a nation that is conflict oriented we, internally externally infighting out fighting we are constantly, we don't really have peaceful times that's why we have one of the larger one of not the one of the largest armies in some of the largest military spending is because we are a conflict driven country and that's how we start it now, doesn't mean, that proves the adage that you said but it is an interesting thought process like you said of a good thought experiment of hey does that apply to everything like you know and 10 scary does it apply to everything often also. Pastor Bill: [31:45] That was that was the non-biblical stuff I was going through my head since I read. Pastor Newms: [31:52] Since I sent you what what we're going to try to talk. Pastor Bill: [31:54] Heads up earlier yeah. Pastor Newms: [31:55] That I sent you way late because I was sitting here going I don't know what this week should be and then. Our friend was like we've had a lot of change that's that's valid yeah let's go that route we have that whole lot of change and then of course then your mind starts you know. That is that is not. [32:31] So I was doing research and I grabbed a scripture that said what I was looking for it to say, and which is never good because as bereans this is one of those times we're going to have this conversation as bereans we always talk about you know don't just pull part of a scripture and I didn't know this was part of the scripture I assumed based on what book it was in and what it was around that it was valid, Todd so we're going to read it because the last part of this scripture is, the reason that I pulled it but this is a Nehemiah. [33:21] And it says and he said to them so let's step back a verse because let's be honest we got to do that when it's a he said so the verse starting in verse 9 Nehemiah the governor, Ezra the priest and Scribe and the Levites who were instructed the people to them this day is Holy to the Lord do not mourn or weep for all the people, we're weeping as they heard the words of the law so this was the reading of the law again in nyam Nehemiah, and then he said to them go and eat what is Rich drink what is sweet and send portions to those who have nothing prepared, since today is Holy to our Lord do not grieve because the joy of the Lord is your strength now that last half is, is we hear that a lot and it's several places in scripture but this is the one that I happened to pull that it's just part of a verse as opposed to the whole meaning, but you know the joy of the Lord is your strength. And I find it to be funny now the next verse says in the Levites quieted all the people saying be still since the day is Holy don't grieve and. [34:43] I find it kind of humorous because I picked this verse and then I said the whole thing about hey we should take this into context and now looking at it as a whole we have a situation that arises. Any Amaya you know there's a lot going on you know there's the report, it's kind of get some back story of Nehemiah. There's there's a lot I don't even know kind of how to you know everything's destroyed. You know Nehemiah helps to rebuild everything the whole city. Pastor Bill: [35:26] They were in Exile. Pastor Newms: [35:27] Yeah they were in Exile he gets the report that hey everything's trashed he weeps the king sees it the king gives him a bunch of stuff to go back they build everything, and then we get to the point where we are Warez. Pastor Bill: [35:42] While they're building it they get accused of. Pastor Newms: [35:46] Oh yeah yeah which the King was like nehemiah's homeboy because Nehemiah was like his one of his top servants and a friend. Pastor Bill: [35:56] The King was like what are you what are you talking about I gave him those supplies I don't. Pastor Newms: [36:02] Yeah I gave him the money I funded him I protected him so I sent him God. Pastor Bill: [36:08] Might as well be my project what do you mean he's trying to overthrow me. Pastor Newms: [36:12] And he's my friend and I told him to build the walls because, I didn't want him to die like and so then we get to this point and Ezra who also has, it's actually the book that comes before Nehemiah in the order that they compiled the 66 books, reads the law again to the people who were in Exile and since they were and didn't have access to everything so it's been a. Pastor Bill: [36:47] Not just yeah not just reads it but literally they have to read it and then have a translator translated into the common tongue of the day because they didn't speak the language It Was Written in any. Pastor Newms: [37:02] They read out loud the book of the law translating and giving the meaning so people could understand what was read and I love I love that it does say that translating and giving the meaning, because they lost touch with that, you know at that time and the people start weeping and are terrified and scared and sad and upset because they haven't been following it, and so then we have you know as we're going hey hey hey hey hey that's not the point of this the point is not. Pastor Bill: [37:35] This isn't this isn't a got your moment. Pastor Newms: [37:38] Yeah this isn't a gotcha this isn't a time where we should be sad upon the changes that are going to happen which I did not know this this is always funny when this happens because I did not know this is where I was pulling from, we need to Rejoice because the Lord is your strength and so that's the aspect that I wanted to pull from this area and then ended up you know if there's a lot more here to unpack. Which is. Pastor Bill: [38:05] It's the first day of a new season. Pastor Newms: [38:07] Yeah this is this is where how we're starting it, don't don't grieve don't get upset and then so the people did in verse 12 the people began to eat and drink and they sent portions to the people that couldn't and they had a great celebration because they understood the words that were explained to them once it was explained, and it and then they have a feast directly after the next day and you know keeps going but it's it's that aspect of, here to beat you down not you know as we transition into New Seasons, we can lean on the Lord because even if we feel because often as humans we try to find the worst in it Human Nature, to most of us not all most of us is pestis it pessimistic it is we have a tendency as humans to find the - to find the, in other people in situations you know across the board and so. [39:18] Ask for transitioning into new sections the Lord isn't there to be like this is a punishment so because of that, I'm cutting you off of this situation in forcing you into a new one it's often hey this is a new situation let me let me help you you know we need to lean, on the Lord but not and not you know. Stress out about okay why is this happening to me I'm not saying we don't because let's be honest we all do but there's bill just flashed us off for some reason what did you. Pastor Bill: [39:58] Sorry. Pastor Newms: [39:59] The light just what light did you touch on your computer that caused all that to happen uh-huh. Oh Pastor Bill: [40:11] Adhesive gave up I guess. Pastor Newms: [40:12] It just it just illuminated the side of your face all of a sudden like hello. Pastor Bill: [40:16] It just it just fell it's just this. Pastor Newms: [40:20] Oh okay. Yeah that's that's funny so that you know that's that's the Aryan Emi of you know, the joy of the Lord is your strength that's the meaning behind that it's not just hey this hey that it's not just you know, the Lord says to always be joyful its hey the Lord is joyful in us the Lord is joyful with us the Lord is so lean on that, and find strength in that not, you know I've heard this verse not this particular but that saying used like the joy of the Lord is your strength so you have to be happy in order to get it because it's joy in the Lord and you're like no well no no no no it's fine, from the Lord. Pastor Bill: [41:16] So I was reminded of a scripture and I had to look it up real quick just to make sure I was coming out right and it's from Lamentations, now if you don't know Lamentations Lamentations is, it's a collection of small versus or poems or however you want to say it and when you're reading through limitations you'll get a new, a new title legs a in cheff teth yodh calf um, and these are no markers to let you know this is where we've cut source and we're pulling from a new source now, so we want to turn the Lamentations chapter 3 if you're turning if you're not whatever Lamentations chapter 3 and we're going to start in verse 22 right so not only does the Lord say Okay I want a new season let's move forward but, when you look in Lamentations it reads because the Lord's faithful love we do not perish, for his mercies never end they are new every morning great is your faithfulness I say the Lord is my portion therefore I will put my hope in him, it's not just that God isn't doesn't want to gotcha for things you've done in the past and suddenly there's some new thing, any you know he wants to turn over some big New Leaf it's literally that every morning. [42:45] God is looking for the opportunity for you to go hey let's move forward from this point on. [42:54] And God is going cool let's do it let's let's put aside everything that came before this point and let's move forward every morning, every morning he's looking for that opportunity. Pastor Newms: [43:08] And and I find I'm actually going to go to the verse before that, you know we started in 22 but if you look at 21 it's like yet I call this to mind and therefore I have hope so it's him remembering this as he's talking. Pastor Bill: [43:25] It's not really because that's anyway. So it's a chopped-up thing and they put things together to create Lamentations so yes the person that collected it decided to put that there, but it's a it's an excerpt from something else that then they said well this would flow well if we put it here. Pastor Newms: [43:46] Yes I forget that about limitations that it's a hodgepodge and not just a hodgepodge from like the normal, way certain areas like Psalms is put together its. Pastor Bill: [44:01] Think of think of like like, macrame to like tell a silly story you like you're cutting out I'm going to take this sentence from this newspaper and this sentence from this magazine and then put them together as if they were the same writing that's that's kind of what limitations is. Pastor Newms: [44:20] And I don't have one that's got it denoted well because the source I'm using does not have it to know did well. Pastor Bill: [44:27] Yeah but between 21 and 22 is one of those cuts. Pastor Newms: [44:29] Okay okay it does flow well though I mean because the area above it and then I was gonna say you know let's go even farther it's straight up like. Pastor Bill: [44:44] Yeah I'm in a dark place I am. Pastor Newms: [44:45] I'm in a dark place I remember them and have become depressed and yet so they did well putting it together because it's like you know next thing. Pastor Bill: [44:58] Well in hindsight it's really easy to go to to poetically pull together these themes and then have a translator then translate it into another language probably two or three times to get to where we are now so that it, it sounds and feels like one writing you know what I mean. Pastor Newms: [45:17] So I'm going to jump now to I'm not going to highlight come on word behave yourself what I want to look at now is Isaiah 41:10, and it's do not fear for I am with you do not be afraid for I am your God I will strengthen you I will help you I will hold onto you with my righteous right hand so, again it's one of those things where hey hey I'm not here to you know, Force this upon you and shove this change down your throat and to you know yes you're going through something and while you're going through it I'm right here and you know it. Pastor Bill: [46:07] Like yeah. Pastor Newms: [46:09] It brings upon that that poem, that you know the footprints in the sand I don't remember who wrote it but it's that whole thing of you know why do I only see one footprint did you abandon me in these times and this like know I was carrying you and, where's that's not necessarily, scriptural in this is the exact way you know that story isn't written in scripture these are examples of that of no no I was right there. Pastor Bill: [46:41] There's there's this sentiment is is is in the Quran as well this idea of, don't fear the lord your God is right there with you and the idea that it Expresses in the court which okay so you know as a as a person myself I believe a lot like Paul does and he says, you know you can look at everything and take everything that's good, and point you to God and keep it and then reject everything that doesn't right so there's there's this idea in the Quran that God is as close as your throat right and the idea is that you're your jugular vein, you know that you see people slitted movies or whatever that God is that clothes he's as close as your jugular vein in your neck, and what could be closer than that vein what could be more involved in your life than if someone who is that close, right there he's going through it with you he's there to protect you and to guide you and he feels all the pain that you feel because he's right there, so I like that idea I have that same idea that this verse you know expresses. Pastor Newms: [47:55] So Biggs just said to help submit the fact that I forgot something, he cemented the fact that I did not forget it and I'm assuming this also came from my wonderful mother, they don't know who wrote Footprints in the Sand so I didn't forget so that makes me happy because overall, no one knows so I didn't forget we just don't know, but that's you know that's kind of what I wanted to talk about tonight and. Pastor Bill do you have anything else on this topic now that we're back to our almost our format. Pastor Bill: [48:55] Overtime 12 different people have claimed credit for writing that poem. Pastor Newms: [49:02] You had already Googled it now now you see also why it's so easy to Google when you're in the corner because you're not the one leading. Pastor Bill: [49:11] No one and no one can actually prove beyond a shadow of a doubt their claim. Pastor Newms: [49:16] Ah what time period did it show up in originally. Pastor Bill: [49:33] 19:36 is the earliest appearance of footprint in the sand. Pastor Newms: [49:36] Really I thought it was older than that interesting okay. Pastor Bill: [49:41] There is a there is a. Pastor Newms: [49:52] But not exactly. [49:57] Interesting so that's kind of what I wanted to talk about tonight and and then you know gay Pastor Bill joined us to talk about it as well. And you know is that whole aspect of change happens change sucks, it is painful we hate it no matter why the change is there now normally you know you're building muscle change sucks you turning your chair and your tweak your back change sucks because she changed position get it. Pastor Bill: [50:29] Sometimes sometimes there's a good change. Pastor Newms: [50:31] Sometimes there are good changes but that doesn't mean it's not painful sometimes sometimes there is good change that isn't. When you're like me and have that little touch of neuro Divergence little touch that's cute when your inner Divergent change pretty much always sucks even if you're just changing. Pastor Bill: [50:53] When your when your workplace is like oh we looked at your resume wrong when we hired you should have started at this rate so now we're going to raise your current rate of pay to this because of it that's good chick. Pastor Newms: [51:06] You going to change my job title you can change my job responsibilities to or just my pay. Pastor Bill: [51:11] Schnapps to pay. Pastor Newms: [51:12] All right that would be a good change that yeah I agree okay so fine way to find flaw in my statements. Pastor Bill: [51:21] Applause I found an optimist point of. Pastor Newms: [51:24] Oh don't start with me with that we just had this argument we're not going backwards all right so that being said I do not know why I just clapped on the mic because that is rude as all get out, thank you guys for joining us we record this live at 6:30, Sunday evenings sometimes it's 631 because my stuff was not together at 6:30 but and we do so with a five minute countdown that was I don't even know how many minutes, cuz I restarted it four times, it's nice been fun and that's why you should join us live not just listening to the recording because we are much more fun, live and you can join us in the chat like Biggs did in Phoenix did and zadie and even Pastor Bill at one point. Pastor Bill: [52:25] Even even petelin borrow from. Pastor Newms: [52:27] Yeah from twitch good job there whoever you are you know, you can join us in chat you can become part of the conversation because this isn't supposed to be one-sided us saying things and you just listening and following our you know what we said because that's the whole point of the Brean lifestyle is to study and to learn together, and so, you know join us we are on Twitch Facebook YouTube and you can go to EK K dot house to see which of each of those had in say it this time. Pastor Bill: [53:02] I didn't say we could switch. Pastor Newms: [53:03] And we love you and we will talk to you again next week. Pastor Bill: [53:13] Do I say be safe. Pastor Newms: [53:14] You have to say be safe out there now yeah, it's just a little head little head has to say be safe yeah the little head has to say be safe so we love you and have a good.

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Season 3 Episode 89: Relationships For The Modern Christian Part 2 , Pastor Newms [0:00] Hello and welcome to episode season 3 episode 89 of the brand Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Newms and, wow you look tired thanks my my eyes might be droopier than normal but that's that's mean the best fairy me so. Couple things you guys might notice some stuff if you are watching instead of listening if you're listening you won't notice anything of what I'm talking about and.  [0:37] You should join us on Sunday nights and watch. You might notice this is a completely different room now you might not fully be able to tell but like. You see the things are hung up there the posters in a slightly different place there's less wall we are in a completely different part of the house with the help of the best, Phoenix zaidi both the girls. And my Biggs and myself doing very little work because I'm lazy. We moved my entire office from downstairs to upstairs the best you moved the thing that everything sits on up here with me. I understand that Biggs did the majority of everything let's be honest and Serafina was a huge help. And zaidi was a huge help, and Rayne was here as much as I could he moved the chair he moved this he helped move stuff out of my office while I was having a mild panic attack.  [2:01] I think he did a little more.  [2:06] You did nothing bullcrap to okay anyway so this week's been a little crazy um we.  [2:14] Are getting ready for some changes in our house we're fixing to have a new roommate. And so because of that we've been moving rooms around we moved the girls room a little while ago we moved. The guest room we flipped the guest room and Seraphoina's old room we moved everything around. And we actually drilled holes in my house to run Internet upstairs, which that was an interesting experience today I had every all of my all of this setup sitting on a small table downstairs in case we didn't get the internet moved and up on time I would be at this like little tiny table in a room that is completely empty and would have been so echoing which the echo might be up here for now because this room is not finished but yeah we got lots of stuff hung.  [3:22] Biggs hung, two of the puzzles that had not been hung yet which gives me motivation to complete the puzzle that is downstairs I'm hoping with the setup of this room this new office quote-unquote I might be able to pull off having a puzzle table up here don't know if I'm going to pull it off but that'd be really cool so we'll see but it's been a crazy week. Work is real busy got a lot going on at work but. Life is good life is good we've got some big changes next week I have no idea how I'm going to be next week because I am actually flying to DFW, helping my friend pack the truck and then driving out here on Friday and then Saturday and then so Sunday early, we'll be unloading the truck and bringing all his stuff. So that's going to be great he's gonna be around a lot more which is a lot of fun and so we're going to be good.  [4:32] But life is crazy over the next couple of weeks and that's okay that is all. I have the hiccups that is okay all right I think I am sufficiently. Warmed up because I am I know I'm talking a mile a minute because I am. As the best said I am actually really tired. So we might get a little Pastor newms uncut if we're not careful today all right so now it's everyone's favorite time of the night except me. Get to know the pastor's where I'm going to pull my check card let's see what our question for today is our question for today is. If you had to change your first name what would be your new first name hahaha all right y'all this is the easiest one in this entire deck this is the easiest question because obviously my first name is not actually newms but yet.  [5:35] That's what I call myself that's what my. Grant grandchildren I old I ain't that old that's what my godchildren call me that's what my wife calls me it's what my sister calls me it's what it's what everyone calls me except for in my professional life over here in the medical programming World other than that everyone calls me Tunes, and has four, over 20 years yeah even even my parents do on occasion my mother even does which is really funny when when Grandma Gloria does that's really funny anyway. My wife's parents call me I mean everyone calls me names and as you guys know you think I do it just in chat but I call Biggs Biggs all the time too that's just that's just normal and don't pay too much attention to my nails they're really bad for moving stuff all day and we did not have time to fix them but that's okay so just don't look too closely at my nails I'll move my hands really fast so that way that won't happen all right, so yeah I changed my name to newms it's a pretty pretty easy one my wife I can answer hers right off the bat, it would be z80 she loves 80.  [6:59] Oh thank you Phoenix for saying that because they feel really really bad my girls I'm not sure for my girls what they would change their name to I'm pretty sure Sarah would actually change her name to Sarafina though I'm pretty sure she would, finish that in elongation and Rain might actually. Go with rain Phoenix says she would not call herself Phoenix and that's okay that's okay.  [7:43] We have so many people with mr. groggy's first name in our lives. We have to call mr. gargi groggy all the time because of how much how many people we have that our has his first name. So that's fun sorry I just clapped in that echoed on there, and not a house not a housemate I don't understand what Phoenix.  [8:32] Yeah it's a this is a softball question and that's okay that's okay I would really really be interested in in Pastor bills answer.  [8:44] But that's that's that's hate it don't get it today okay so. We are sufficiently warmed up we are right at we're actually about a minute earlier than we normally are with our warm up because we're at 14 minutes but that's okay so I will recap last week so for one of the first times for me we have done a part two, so last. Week we talked about relationships for the modern Christian we talked about our spouses and we talked about our children we talked about our significant others, when's 80 walks around up here you can see here in the glare of The Boondock Saints poster which I didn't realize which is funny, but so we talked about spouses and how we should treat them and you know verses that are, used a lot and then taken out of context and taken too far and people only like to follow the first half and not the second half you have to go back and listen to get the full details mhm that's episode 88, eat for all those people out well 388 depending on how you listening we talked about our children and how we should, love our children and treat our children correctly and raise them correctly not just authoritative.  [10:07] This how we have to have the give-and-take and we have to you know children have to be handled. Correctly and so we talked about that and then we were going to talk about friendship. But we talked a lot and we ran out of time so. I split it into 2 because we can do that if we get into a topic so the reason I wanted to include friendship so much in when we're talking about relationships overall is because of the fact that.  [10:49] You don't crawl across floor just walk that is so distracting she's crawling across the floor.  [11:01] All right so. Friendship so friendships are so important because let's be honest when you deal with relationships all the relationships we have in life spouse. We a lot of us only have one or a few in our lives children most of us have one two three. Some have you know upwards of 10 12 but you know most of us have just a few friendship though we deal with on a daily basis and, most people have more friends throughout their lifetimes then they will spouse or children so friendship is so important in Friendship is is. Some have you know friendship is one of those things where when we talk about friendship it's more than just friendship it's it's how we interact with people at while we are being friendly it's how we.  [12:05] You know. The people we interact with how we should be doing friendship evangelism how we should be you know growing the community of people around us as Phoenix said there are some times in your life where you have none you have no friends at the moment. I know both Phoenix and zaidi have gone through long amounts of time like that, and Phoenix has built a nice little Community now for herself around her and, now that Sadie is working again she's making friends even though she won't admit to it, she's probably going right now but she has a promise see she said blah before I hat see I love my wife, so You know one of those things is in those friendships in those Community you meant Phoenix meant kids not friends that makes more sense because Phoenix has no kids except for nieces, and nephews of friends and you know. Her community I just kicked my computer that is not going to work where I've put it because I just kicked it hard so we're going to move that after stream.  [13:20] He did not work okay so friendships so we really have to look at all these all these facets of people that come into our lives and how we should treat them and you know we have the story which is not in my notes at all but you have the story of you know how you treat your neighbors and treat your people around you and we deal with you know the. The person on the road the Good Samaritan you know when we look at the story of the Good Samaritan and I might have to look it up real quick what the reference is of it because I didn't have it pulled up for this so, when we look at something like that how should we.  [14:10] How should we look at the Good Samaritan Luke 10 25 through 27 okay Luke. Luke 10.  [14:28] Twenty-five to thirty seven so we're going to read in the csb and I don't have to type it out because I don't I don't have it in my notes 1025 through. 37 there was an expert of the lost it up testing him him being Jesus saying teacher what must I do to inherit eternal life. What is written in the law he asked him. How do you read it so Jesus asked him a question back and he answered he being the expert of the law.  [15:03] Love the Lord your God with all your heart all your soul all your strength and with all your mind and your neighbor as yourself, Jesus answers you answered correctly he told him do this and you will live but wanting to justify himself he asked Jesus and who is my neighbor. Jesus Took up the question and said A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho and fell in the hands of robbers they stripped him beat him and fled leaving him half dead, a priest happened to be going down that road when he saw him he passed by on the other side in the same way a levite, when he arrived at the place saw him and passed by the other side but a Samaritan on his journey came up to him when he saw the man he had compassion he went over to him bandaged his wounds pouring an olive oil and wine and then put him on his own animal, brought him to the end and took care of him the next day he took out two denarii gave them to The Innkeeper and said take care of him when I come back I'll reimburse you for whatever extra you had to spend, which of these three do you think was a neighbor.  [16:17] To the man who fell in the hands of the robbers the one who showed Mercy to him he said Jesus said go and do the same now there's a couple things to look at here when we talk about neighbor and I'm going to equate neighbors and friends in some of this but then friends of course there's different layers or friendship but neighbors is that like Outer Circle of Friends like people that you should be friendly with but aren't friends like acquaintances almost, but in that those people we should even treat the this well so.  [16:48] If you look at the Jews and you look at the Samaritans they did not like each other we've talked about that in the past another podcast they did not like each other at all not even a little and so. The fact that he the Samaritan took care of the man. Is huge so much so they didn't like each other when the man gave Jesus his answer he did not even say it was the Samaritan he said it's the one who showed him Mercy because he didn't want to admit, that in Jesus's story in the parable that he gave that. It was a Samaritan who did the good thing because we can't talk about that like it's got to be you know and so because of that. That's that's one example of like that Outer Circle and that's the Outer Circle that's just the person you walk up to on the street type of friendship so then we have you know, other types of friends as you get closer into your inner circle and we're going to cover a couple of those in this friendship, talk that we're having tonight and you know by talk I mean of course I'm talking and I'm hoping others are talking back to me and we're gonna go from there now it's big said in here.  [18:16] They were inseparable that's the kind of friendship that's that inner circle friendship and we're going to talk about that in a couple of verses throughout down when we get down to the very bottom you know those people that are so close to you. So the first one we want to look at here is first Thessalonians 5:11 and so when we're looking at this.  [18:40] 1st Thessalonians five.  [18:47] 11 so this is talking to her about the day of the Lord and so it's talking he's talking to brothers and sisters you know in Christ he's talking to the whole thing and he says therefore. And we should always back up a little when he says therefore so we'll jump up to nine for God has not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation through Lord our Lord Jesus Christ who died for us that while we were. Awake or asleep we may live that whether we are awake or asleep we may live together with him therefore encourage one another and build each other up as you were already doing so, for the people in this decimal that's alone then Laika the people that Thessalonians was written to. Cuz we're not going to try to say that word again. Paul says hey you're doing it already you're encouraging each other keep it up it's so important and so that's one of those things you know we see an encouragement from Paul of hey you're doing it right I'm not even correcting you just keep it up you're doing good so we've got to continue to do that in our own lives so, one of the the next area I want to go to is Ecclesiastes. And in Ecclesiastes when we're looking at.  [20:13] 47 through. Insert here in 7 and it says again I saw from. Fertility Under the Sun there is a person without a companion without even a son or a brother, and there was no end to all his struggles his eyes are still not content with riches who am I struggling for he asks and depriving myself of good things this to is feudal and a miserable task.  [20:46] And we're going to keep going into nine two are better than one because they have a good reward for their efforts for if either Falls His companion can lift him up but pity the one who falls without another to lift him up also if to lie down together they can keep warm but how can one person alone keep themselves warm and if someone overpowers one person to can. Resist him a cord of three strands is not easily broken and that's kind of where it wraps up. This particular section then we move on to you know something about Kings but when we look at that you know this is the an Old Testament aspect of looking okay. You've got to have relationships people have to be in your lives otherwise you can't really.  [21:36] Go at it so that's starting to talk about that close friendship of this is one of those examples of hey you should have someone who's close to you who can pick you up when you fall who can and. That aspect of you should have someone who can pick you up when you fall in order to have that you must be willing to pick other people up when they fall. It's a two-way street with situations like that you can't just be like arm going to do this and you're going to do this for me and that that's not friendship, friendship is both sides you have to be able to come together as it talks about like a rope you know three strands is best to strains is better than one you know when you start to curl that.  [22:22] I just thought of a really funny example so I used to vape real have a real heavy and, like the competition coils and used to make my own wire you spend my own wire and make my own coils and if you ran one wire, and just ran it you know it would burn if it turns on and off on and off on and off no big deal if you ran.  [22:50] Or you ran three I ran a fat one and two small ones and they would all become one, big thing and they would heat it different temperatures and The Taste would be phenomenal because of that that, that combined strength of the three wires together that that group of people we have that Community we have you know things like that is so important. So we're going to jump down to Kind of a Funny example that I found when I was researching this topic which is not super funny but it's funny if you know the situation which is job 6:14, and joke job's kind of an interesting book Job loses everything. And. His kids died his everything gets destroyed his farm his lands his Vineyard everything well then his he's got these friends that show up and, they blame him for all of it even though he was just and.  [24:04] It's really funny because he did not have good friends. And so then right here he writes in 614 a despairing man should receive loyalty from his friends even if he abandons the fear of the Almighty. Even if this was my fault you should still be my friend and for one of these aspects the, it's funny because of the story but I pulled this also for the fact that when we're talking about friendship our Circle of Friends, does not have to be 100% Christian and shouldn't be if we believe in Friendship evangelism but it. Even if someone walks away if he abandons the fear of the almighty if they if they act a fool it doesn't matter we should still support our friends. That doesn't mean we have to. Help them with destructive things but we should always be there and be loyal and be bringing them up. Is in John and this is Jesus talking again John 1523.  [25:32] John 15 note 1512 and 13 and in this area.  [25:41] He's talking about how he is divine and you know different aspects of it. And right here he talks about this is my command love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this to lay down his life for his friends and then you know when we look at that.  [26:07] Here we will actually continue on. Here in verse 14 he says you are my friends if you do what I command you I do not call you servants anymore because a servant doesn't know what his master is doing. I've called you my friends because I have made known to you everything I have heard from my father you did not choose me but I chose you I appointed you to go and produce fruit and your fruit shall remain so that whatever you ask of the father in my name he will give you this is what I command you love one another so I'm going to change that to through 17 yeah.  [26:47] And you know I find it interesting here when he's given this Parable and then he's like no one in all seriousness like love each other. You should be willing to give your life for your friends and he's also alluding to the fact that he's about to give his life for. His friends and his people. And so we really have to look at that and take that to heart that whole aspect of you know, loving each other helping to bring each other up and you know this is still.  [27:25] You know this is that middle area, between acquaintance and like best friend scenario but when the next thing we're going to look at here is in Proverbs so we're going back to the Old Testament, super jump to Proverbs to do Proverbs 17. And we're going to go 17 to 18.  [27:59] This is a friend loves at all times and a brother is born for a difficult time now my sister, who is Phoenix knows that a brother is born for a difficult time, that poor girl has been put through it by her evil older brother but that's beside the point one without sense enters an argument and puts up security for his friend. One who loves to offend love Strife but one who builds a high threshold invites injury when his Twisted mind is not succeed when his sister speech will run a man father's a fool to his own sorrow father of a fool, has no joy you know we're continuing on through this but that that section that's so important is a friend loves at all times. One without sense and there's an argument and puts up security for his friend so a friend loves at all time but but.  [28:57] We don't do crazy things that are detrimental to ourselves and our friends just because we're friends so like your friend owes a bookie a whole bunch of money.  [29:10] Don't go put up your money just because.  [29:17] Your boy is probably going to pay him off in the next few minutes. Cuz your boy might not so you have to don't bet against people just because if your friend is in the wrong. Don't just go and defend. You know if your friend you know you got two people they're arguing and they're like I bet you a hundred bucks that you know I've got seven kids.  [29:43] And the guys like yeah I know you have eight and starts arguing with him. When your friend is being wrong and you just walk up you're like yep he's right he's always right put your money down no don't don't go into situations and harm yourself just because. You have a friend now on the flip side of course someone will give his life for his friends so we have to look at that there's some gray area there. Look at that a situational benefit basis you know is this healthy for my friend am I causing them harm. Am I causing them, you know it will do this make their lives better or worse you know sometimes we do have to look at situations like that but that's a case-by-case benefit basis that you have to take up with the Holy Spirit of when you should charge in and but, charge into the defense of your friend when they are wrong and you're just going to get yourself into more trouble and zadie you know zaidi said what how do you forget a kid exactly don't argue with someone when they're talking about how many kids they have when you don't know like it's you're going to lose unless.  [31:08] You're the one guy off that old Arthur movie who didn't even named his kids he numbered them because he cared about them that little that guy might be wrong on how many kids he has but other than that it's probably not going to happen. So  [31:26] You know in talking about friends and in talking about you know stuff like this there is something that we have to look at that is important, which is Proverbs 27:17 and this is probably. Maybe the most quoted verse when it comes down to.  [32:03] What this means is you know if you've ever seen. You know a knife person who's working a knife person who's doing they rub you know against that iron bar to make it sharpen now to be clear just for anyone out here who knows this when you do that. It only gives you a little bit of a sharpness if you don't have that edge already made if you're not trying to be Sharp, it won't sharpen that's not going to sharpen it you have to use a wet stone but that's beside the point that's part of this though you should be surrounding yourself, you're close Inner Circle that that Circle that is like your best people they should be able to sharpen you you should both have a point you should both be trying to go the same direction, to a certain degree and you guys should there should be qualities that they can sharpen now does that mean every friend that is in that perfect circle is exactly like you and has the same goals in mind and is walking in the same no I have two best friends. One of them you all know is Pastor Bill one of them your meet again at some point and.  [33:19] He is completely different.  [33:23] You know him and Bill are Polar Opposites not fully but in a lot of ways but there are aspects that are exactly the same he helps keep me humble he helps keep me grounded he helps remind me that I have to love people, just like Pastor build us there's things that he sharpens Me on he challenges me professionally he challenges you know there are aspects, that he's pushing me towards and so you have to have in that inner group people who are going to challenge you people who are going to push you you just have Yes Men surrounding you or else you're not going to sharpen yourself you're going to end up, cut and dull meat all day and if you're cutting and cutting and cutting and you're the only one who is sharp or you're the only one who is trying you're going to end up duller, by the end of this is always this phrase you hear so often you know show me your friends and I'll show you your future and to a large degree. That's true if you don't have friends that are going to sharpen you then you will end up dollar. So you kind of have to you have to look at things like that it's so important and.  [34:44] You know that's really all I got for this is we have to look at each other and we have to understand that. We are we are called to have friends as Christians we should not be doing life alone if you're in a church that doesn't have small groups find one if you don't have. A community set out to find one you know, checked which for random things that you like to do like Phoenix with building Legos and stitching things, you know there's a whole Community out there if people that are like that the internet has allowed us to connect with them so fine people that challenge you and and help build you up and, that's what we got to do we've got to do life together with our friends moving forward trying to be better.  [35:41] So yeah find some friends love on each other. Be good to each other you know those things yeah those are important that's all I have.  [35:57] So we love you guys. Yes and as Phoenix said you have to love yourself too which sometimes stinks but we have to try every day have to try so we love you guys we hope you guys have a great week, you guys be safe out there and until next time.

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Season3 Episode 88 Relationships For The Modern Christian Part 1

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 88 of the Berean Manifesto, faith hope and love for the modern Christian this is Pastor newms and I'm here again by myself as Pastor Bill is still on a break. [0:19] So to get started and give people you know time to kind of get to know us and get to. Continue to join us Hello's Zaydiee welcome. My week was pretty good we are really really really busy at work overcapacity type busy so that is fun and we are, ghetto plugging along so my week has had a lot of a lot of that aspect I have been in the evenings playing a lot of Pokémon I finished this week my live decks and finish out the quote-unquote decks for Pokemon Arceus that was exciting I still don't have the 10 stars and have not finished all of the side quests, for those of you out there in Internet land who know what that means I still have some more to go, but I did at least get most of the game finished we have my life jackets done which was my overall true goal before moving on to, the next thing that I'm going to try to tackle turned up a cone an exile server to play if anyone out there is playing Conan Exiles and wants to join us let me know. [1:47] The 3.0 patch is coming soon and so I wanted to get a server up so that way when that was out we could play together so that is going to be fun and I have I did stream once this week and I actually streamed that hoping to do some more this week we're going to be doing a lot of changes there's some new stuff happening in the house and so because of that moving some stuff around throughout the next two weeks as we have a bunch of craziness going on so it's going to be good so that is kind of. [2:25] Where I'm at for the week I'm it's pretty good I hope all of you out there that are listening and we'll listen to this later have all enjoyed your weeks as well is the last day of July I can't believe tomorrow is August it's just crazy to me how time is just flying by but it's how we live. Hum so the next thing we want to discuss is getting to know the pastor's which is of course my favorite part of the. Podcast and I'm still not sure why I'm doing it without Pastor Bill making me but. [3:11] Here Comes getting know the pastor's if the daytime high temperature has to be exactly the same every day of the year what would you want the temperature to be. Hmm so if it's got to be the highest temperature. Little will never get higher. The downside Zaydiee of 68 or 64 which I agree with somewhere in that range is my favorite temperature the downside of that temperature though, we would never have snow if the high has to be that every day. [3:59] And I like the rainy cold I like. Snow so I'm I'm torn I would not want it to be snowing every day though so I wouldn't want in the 30s every day so I'm. I'm a little torn by this question but I would have to say somewhere around 65. Because that means actually I'd probably say like 73 ish because that means the mornings would be a little bit crisp. In the evenings would be a little bit cooler but the day wouldn't get too hot so maybe like 68 69 70 72 somewhere around that area. [4:52] So you say 73 is too warm but yet the house is currently set for. 73 so you are currently sitting in 73 with a blanket in the living room, just saying zadie not that I'm trying to back a bus over you while you're cuddling a blanket on the couch watching this. But yeah. [5:24] Huh anyway yeah I definitely would have to say it's somewhere somewhere in that. [5:34] In that. High 60s low 70s is where it is where I'd want to keep it probably yeah I think so. [5:50] All right so now. Comes the part that we're all actually here for which is us talking about stiff so. For tonight's tooth. I would like to say we're sorry for last week of not being live and not having a podcast come out we had some family relationship stuff come up not, in my family group, our family some relationships we have outside of our family someone had an emergency and so we took care of that and you know that's one of the things that's really important, to us at the occasion house and on the Brie and manifest so our relationships. And you know we've talked about relationship friendship evangelism in the past we've talked about you know all the different aspects but relationships are so important and that's what we really are. [6:54] Looking at tonight is relationships because relationships are more important, to us here at the occasion house then things like, getting together that's why we have the format we have we're we're together talking about these items it's not just me talking it's not just passed a bill talking it's it's all of us talking about these things together people in the chat, I'm over here people in the chat discussing so that way it engages everyone and we're having these conversations and topics together so that's really what we are discussing tonight is, relationships for the modern Christian. [7:35] Now the bad thing is is since I started doing being the big faced over the last couple of weeks. They're I've made every single one of these like a question and then not answer the question, and I didn't do that tonight it's just, relationships for their Mountain Christian and so I feel a little bad about that but I couldn't come up with a clever title. And so that's kind of where we are. Biggs how was what you're asking how was how was what, and while he he he types that out so you know there are three relationships I really want to look at tonight and this actually might go slightly long and if it does will show. [8:30] We'll do a part 2 and then that's okay we can do things like that the first one I want to look at is the relationship we have in, spouses yes the hope you know good food and good friends it's some of the most important things we can do in life, so the first thing I want to look at is spouses and you know when we look at spouses there is a. [8:58] Biblical and Christian Dynamic to a lot of spousal interactions and people look at. Spouses in marriage and long-term relationships and they're like well you know. This is what this says and this is what that says and we should always do this and we should always do that and there's often times this. Hierarchical structure that goes one way or another which does have its roots in biblical times. But on the same token oftentimes it's grossly simplified the man is the head of the house no matter what and it's like no matter what isn't fully. The answer there but. [9:46] There are reasons for certain aspects like that and so I want to start we're going to go all the way back, not all the way almost all the way to Genesis 22 23 and 25, and the csb it says and the man said this one at last is bone of my bone and Flesh of My Flesh this one would be called woman for she was taken from man this is why a woman leaves his father and mother and bonds with his wife and they become one flesh both the man and his wife were naked and felt no shame now, I could have easily stopped at the end of verse 24 there but I. Didn't obviously and the reason is is because, that both the man and his wife were naked and felt no shame if I had to be really important to a lot of conversation not that we're going the sexual route with this particular, podcast as we try to keep the podcast more family-friendly than my traditional streams and so we're not going to go that direction but. [10:53] There was no shame between a husband and a wife there shouldn't be shame between a husband and a wife ever no matter what it is because you guys should be coming together as one flesh in all things. You know I I will often forget. That my spouse exists for small moments of time and make really stupid decisions and and not even say well what do you think and then it hits me who the other half is more smart than I am, see what I did there I said more smart she wouldn't say more smart, she would say smarter which is actually the real word for those of you out here who might not realize that I was making a funny joke so. The the aspect there was one of those things that came up actually this weekend where I was like this is how we're going to do it this this is what makes the most sense and. [11:57] My wife who is Sadie in chat and she was like yeah I understand why you think that and I agree with you to a certain degree that's the best option but, I started thinking about it and here are the list of reasons why that's wrong. And it's all because you won't like it wasn't like she didn't come at me like hey these are the reasons why I disagree with what you're doing she came at me with have you thought about these aspects, if you do what you're planning on doing. You're going to regret it in six months for these reasons because you are super picky about certain things and I was like oh those are all super valid and. You know we came together on that as opposed to just me saying but I'm right or her saying but you're wrong we came together and had an adult conversation around those and there wasn't a shame of will you're dumb and you're stupid and you're this and you're that and we try never to go down that route. There are there are times that that I'm mean and we don't because I'm definitely not perfect especially when I get upset. But that's that aspect of we should be bonded and be one flesh together. [13:24] And then if you are one flesh, the shame and the fighting and the certain aspects of those are more limited because you are together of one mind and of one, body because that one flesh that includes you know one mind one conversation you've talked about it you've made decisions together you've you're doing things as a couple not as, a husband and wife it is as spouses and as. One flesh one flesh together one flesh like this like this like this like this okay so. [14:03] And you know then we get into the conversation of. You know well that's the Old Testament the New Testament is completely different because Jesus came and he changed all the rules, all the rules well and then we if we turn to Matthew 19 four and six, now you know Jesus changed all the rules from the Old Testament to the New Testament don't forget right we just say that so this is Jesus talking. [14:36] And he says haven't you read. He replied he didn't say he replied of course that sad that he who created them in the beginning made them male and female and he also said for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two will become one flesh so they are no longer two but one flesh therefore, what God has joined together let no one separate and, I want to dig into this for a couple of reasons so one obviously Jesus said the same thing that was recorded in Genesis which was hey the two of you are one, stop acting like you're separate. And that's important because you're no longer two but you are joined in the flesh. [15:32] And then it's like what God has joined let no one separate and I want to touch on that part, a little bit because that's one of those areas where people are like well that means you should never have a divorce no in other parts are scripture there are reasons for divorce you know there are there are things listed that way I'm not trying to you know we're not going down that road of a who divorces divorces Ascend because of this verse well no, now. What God has joined let no one separate now that's also important to look at because here's the problem let no one separate not, not. One of them separate let no one no one else no one outside of do not separate what God has put together now here's a problem. What happens when you're with someone and it wasn't of God. [16:29] It opens a big can of worms that that statement of, what God has joined let no one separate what if you didn't what if you didn't have a marriage ceremony you just sign the papers you didn't you rushed, you rushed in and and there wasn't Godly counsel you didn't consult God at all God wasn't, part of it what if your uneven little yoked God wasn't a part of it and then God becomes part of it for one of you and so you're not. You know the burden that's on you that's helping to decide the path that you take is now different. There are lots of reasons why but someone outside of your marriage should not be the reason why your marriage. [17:21] Breaks up one of you the two you know something needs to happen in there and if God joins you. You shouldn't be separate so stop going out there and get into relationships and getting married and all that other stuff and never Consulting the person who created the universe and knows a thing or two about, said Universe just don't do it it does don't do it. [17:53] Now now we want to jump to a versus the basis of a lot of what we were talking about. [18:01] In the beginning that a lot that some people have taken out of context taking the step to far I won't say out of context but the Step too far. As you know it's always the next guy who takes it a step too far so when we look at Ephesians 5:22 through 33 this is the limit of a large passage so bear with me as I get through wives submit to your husband's as to the Lord because the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church he is the savior of the body now as in the church submits to Christ also wives are to submit to their husbands in everything husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her to make her holy cleansing her with the washing of, Water by the word he did this to present the church to himself in splendor without spot or wrinkle or anything like that but holy and blameless in the same way husbands are to love their wives as their own bodies he who loves his wife, loves himself for no one ever hated his own flesh but provides and cares for it just as Christ does for the church since we are members of his body for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two will become one see there's that reference again this mystery is profound but I am talking about Christ in the church to sum up each one of you is to love his wife as himself and the wife is to respect her husband. [19:27] So I find it interesting that in his summary he doesn't talk about submission, but talks about respect because that's a real big thing you hear often people that talk about this passage especially in the old the older generations and the older. Facets of the church they will say things like you know. [19:57] Anything a man does you need to listen. And that's not necessarily true. That submit to your husbands that is to be a subordinate to obey but also under obedience. To be put in subjugation to submit oneself on to so it's that aspect of. [20:29] I love you here I am here I am you know I'm yours now in that. The Hut the husband is supposed to love his wife if you love your own body you don't mistreat it it's plainly what it says. So because of that. If you are in an abusive relationship where your spouse is is beating on you and you're like well I'm supposed to submit no no that's that's not where the line is, you're supposed to submit because he's supposed to be loving you and sacrificing himself for you there's that that, two-person part of relationship you know people love to quote part of it and forget the other part when it's available for. A husband is supposed to love their wife and sacrifice for them. If he's never sacrificing the question is outlined does he ever loved, now that sacrificing can happen in a thousand different ways and it looks different in every relationship so of course externally we should not be the one to judge things like that and internally you have to look deep into okay what are the reasons for all of this. [21:54] But the big thing there is the aspect of. Loving each other and respecting each other. And even though it says you know submit to your husband part of it is a husband should also be sacrificial. To the wife so you know I find it funny some people are like okay so you know. Wives submit to your husbands and then it's like okay that means do whatever he says and then he says to do something crazy and you're like well my husband told me I had to do it but. In telling you to do something crazy he's breaking the aspect of loving you as. Himself and as you know. He's not following that either so you have to find that balance in everything because it's important. You know we shouldn't be taking advantage of our spouses in either side because that's not how. [23:06] We're supposed to do it it's not what the Bible actually says so stop taking scripture out of context just so you can be. [23:15] I mean it's rude so. After that after spouses the relationship you have with your spouse, the next thing I want to talk about is the relationship you have with children because that's kind of a natural progression you know spouses children that's one of the types of relationships we have in life as Christians and, as people who procreate and breathing. Are human so we're going to look first at Ephesians. [23:55] 6 1 through 4, and this is the probably one of the most quoted scriptures about children and it says children obey your parents in the Lord because this is right, honor your father and mother which is the first commandment with promise so that it may go well with you and that you may live a long life in the land fathers do not stir your children to anger but bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. So this is important for several reasons we often hear children obey your parents children obey your parents children obey your parents yes, yes we get it honor your father and mother yes we have to honor our father and mother father and mother yes. [24:44] But the other aspect is as parents. We have to also not provoke our children. To anger and. Them in an incorrect. Aspect we should be bringing them up and training them in the way they should go no not, just dictating rules that shouldn't be followed for their whole lives and you know, are just you know there are some people out there who just do it because they quote-unquote can there's no valid reasons for what they're doing they're not doing it for their child safety they're not doing it because of you know any reason other than my house my rules which yeah it is but. On the same token your house your rules are they, valid rules are they steeped in something that is healthy and normal or do your rules. [26:04] Do you rules that you have our rules that are detrimental to your children you know do you have crazy rules that are actually unsafe but it's the rule you know now of course we're talking about parents who are. Abusing in different ways their children when you start to deal in those aspects and as big said rules have to be different for every child just because you have rules in your house doesn't mean it's right for both children I have two very different children running around my house one of them if she's tired she goes to sleep. [26:40] She she she doesn't. Need to try to go to sleep once she decides it's time to go to sleep she's like her daddy she lays down she's out the other one. Has trouble sleeping so she lays down. And if we turn her phone off we turn her TV off we turn all technology off we should no books no nothing no just lay there, she will she will just lay there for hours and be like 1:00 in the morning and I'm going to bed and she's like that can have a hug you're like why are you wide awake what have you been doing. Laying here so it's different you have to have a different rule set for each of those two kids because one is go to bed all right sleep wake up in the morning the other one is okay I'm gonna stare at the ceiling for two hours okay no you can go read a book, like pull out a lamp like turn the lamp on read a book like do something you don't have to just lay there you shouldn't be on a lot of technology to blue lights are terrible for sleeping, I get that. But there are other things that are okay don't just lay there like that's I don't want you to have to do that that's boring and and I I wouldn't do it I'd like to do something else let's be honest. [28:00] Yes as zaidi said the other one is too much like her mama because her mama will do that I'll roll over them like how did you sleep I didn't and I'm like what do you mean you. You didn't sleep I didn't hear you now I just laid here you were asleep they want to bother you big says no Legos there too loud I would have to agree with that that was a rule when I was growing up I need very little sleep even as a child and so because of that I would wake up early, or go to bed later than my parents sometimes because Dad woke up at a completely different time and I wasn't allowed to play with Legos because I was right next to their bedroom and, they're allowed to roll out and Biggs also made a joke of don't date until they're 18. I know that's a joke because that wasn't the rule in our house growing up but he has two granddaughters and. I am not ready for them to start dating anytime soon so I'm thinking like 25 which is also inaccurate but it's all good so that's that aspect of when we look at, those and then I want to point out the two words that are real important there. [29:19] Obey your parents so that word obey, is sorry my stuff is very bad hoop a cougar oh oh oh oh oh oh I don't know it's a lot of letters, but I try and so it is to hear under as a subordinate, that is to listen attentively by implication to heat or to conform to a calm command or authority Harkin be obedient to obey and then, when we look at honor it is to prize that is to fix a valuation upon to Revere and to honor so. Those are real important what those words truly mean because often you hear you should obey me no matter what well mmm. You know I'm not going to say children don't obey your parents. There is a difference between children obey your parents and honor your father and mother so honor your father and mother that doesn't stop ever, you should always have a valuation and you should always Revere value your parents period. No questions the obey is you should heed their command. [30:47] But heating a command and doing it no matter what. Is different go jump off of a tree you know I'll joke with my girls go jump off a bus and they're like okay start walking towards you know start walking towards the front door like they're going to go jump off a bridge and you're like do not go jump off a get back in hmm and you know it's a joke but you know I'm glad they don't obey right away, in certain things cuz it's a joke you know so we have to look at things like that you know let's be let's be normal humans and know that. People aren't perfect and not now if you notice in there. It says honor your father and mother which is the first commandment with promise so that it may go well with you and you may have a long life okay well I'm you know let's look at where that comes from, and to do that we've got to go back to Exodus 20 and anyone who has been in. You know Christian circles for a long time for those of you out there that have you know Exodus 20. [31:58] For those of you who are new to Christ or listening to this as someone who is not a Christian. I'll explain when Exodus 20 years Exodus 20 is where we get the Ten Commandments and so it's the list of you know hey don't do this do this you know don't go murder people don't commit. [32:20] Adultery don't go steal don't lie about your neighbor you know you know there's all these different aspects. So when you get down to verse 12 of Exodus 20 it says honor your father and mother so that you may have a long life in the land that the Lord your God is giving you so. [32:43] It's the only one in that group that has a do this. [32:53] And this will happen you know some of them are do this and I will do this which is different. [33:03] But this one is you know. It has a promise attached it is it is a good thing. Do this honor your your elders and this is honoring your elders what I one of those aspects of honoring your elders that's not something unique to Christianity like certain things are unique to Christianity you know do not. Worship any God but me you know that's one that is you know unique to Christianity as far as Christianity is the only one that says you should only worship going you know. [33:46] You know that's one of those aspects the Sabbath the Sabbath is not taught in every religion that we should take a break once a week. [33:56] You know things like that are. But honoring your parents that's the threat honor your elders respect the people that brought you into the world now. [34:12] One of the things I will say about this is coming from someone who has a lot of friends with a lot of different backgrounds and a lot of different situations. I'm going to throw out an example hate me Pete me spit in my face every time I see you that does not mean go hang out with your parents every day they're my parents. But I think I have cut them off they are far away. And in that is a certain amount of Honor you're far away I don't want it I'm not I'm not you go away you know. [35:05] Again this goes back to healthy relationships this is the perfect way of doing things so this is you know God giving Commandments and giving rules for, dealing with each other in the correct circumstances with circumstances outside of correct circumstances. You have to make other decisions and that's where the Holy Spirit comes into play that's where you have to pray about it seek guidance from Godly counsel and friends that are that are Godly you know things like that you do not just. Well I know that they I know that they tried to poison. My wife but you know they're still my parents and I have to love them you don't have to go to their house on Sundays for dinner though if there, trying to, kill your spot like no no no those need cut off and move on you know so let's be let's be smart about things not just follow. Blindly not thinking about situational aspects and we would be remiss. [36:21] You are so big says you are married so you have to leave and start your. [36:42] Yeah okay so yeah so you know you're together with your spouse so yeah you honor your father and mother still but that doesn't mean they're like you know. Chilling in the backyard 24/7 like. [36:57] You know hey did you take out the trash like your wife asked you you know. Don't don't hopefully that's not your life if that's your life mm I'm sorry you should probably think about situations all right, and I would be it would be wrong of me to discuss children and things without discussing Proverbs 22:6. And I might actually have to save the second half of this for another day cuz I don't think I'm going to be we'll get through it in 18 minutes. And so I think we're going to save this as a part two for the second part of this and just talk out this more but. [37:41] Proverbs 22:6 is it states starter youth out on the way. On his way even when he grows old he will not depart from it and this verse is real important for for for those of us that are, religious and for those of you that are not because the way you start a youth the way you train a child, determines where they are going to end up if you teach your kid to be a. [38:16] Mean person then they are going to go through life at a certain point and become a mean person. [38:27] If you teach your children hatred they are going to continue to have hatred now which teach your children love they are going to have love. You raise your children as in the religion that you currently hold for us it's Christianity. [38:45] They will not depart from it fully that does not mean, there will not be times where your kids Rebel and do not listen and do other things this is not a magic recipe for. To have perfect adults later just because we raised our children and try to instill in them certain values that we prescribe to as humans of hey don't be. Mean to others you know love each other that does not mean they won't grow up to be a jerk, but they will remember that they're not supposed to be a jerk and it will hurt ya big says that he did the best he could but he said we. My parents did the best they could sometimes you just grow up to be a jerk it's the personality I have and I'm just I'm rough around the edges and it's it's hard I try though I really do have tried very hard and I know what's right I just sometimes come across, as jerk and then I go back and apologize of hey I didn't, I mean to be a jerk and I feel terrible that I was and that's the part that they did instill in me um. [40:14] The Don't Be a Jerk didn't stick as well as they would like but the being apologetic jerk did stick sacrifice yourself for others did stick. You know show love did stick um just. I'm a little more Rough Around the Edges than some people would enjoy as there's this there's this beautiful wonderful Soul who lives next to my, parents and she is the sweetest lady my parents live in a 65 and up area, they got their 55 and up sorry not 65 or no I just I just aged Biggs he's gonna get real mad, a 55 and up community and they're in there they're close to my grandparents and and then on the other side is the super nice lady and her parents are all of course grown I mean her children are all grown they come to visit when they can but they all live their own lives and she is just the sweetest little thing and. [41:17] We were over there this week I know you're not even 60 bags and I am sorry I did not mean to age you like that we were over there and she asked if I could help her move a table she was going to pick up this is little coffee table I mean a little a little, little 4-person table for the dining room but, no big deal yeah sure I'll be you know I was I was hanging out with my mom so sure no problem, and so we're over there and it's beautiful white, off-white white-ish table and the chairs and then a wood finish on the top and on the seats of the chairs and it works really well in her kitchen because her cabinets are the same color not her cabinets her. [42:05] Thing that you put China China cabinet her china cabinet is the same color as the top and then her trim and stuff is, white so it ties the room together really nicely and she was like oh it will be so her daughter was like oh it'll be so nice she has to help lighten the room and I was like well you know I am personally I'm not trying to lighten any rooms we try to keep rooms nice and dark in my house we got you know dark Furniture you know I like things a little dark and this poor sweet lady she looks to be in ghosts, well honey that's just because you're just a darker person and we love you anyway it's just how you are and I'm like. I mean she's not wrong I'm wearing a black T-shirt I've got my nails like beards black chain wrong like I'm just a darker person you know we all do our own things but she's super sweet and you know she didn't mean of course any malice bye. She's such a sweetheart and so it was just so cute because she was like you're just a darker person my wife, did not let me leave that down for the rest of the day anytime she could say it she did and it was great because we love the wonderful lady next door, and her husband who is in a facility my girls love them they're just they're such sweet people. [43:28] So that's you know one of those things we have to look at as adults and as Christians in relationships. Since we're at the 49 minute mark I'm not going to jump into the next section because there were three sections we needed to discuss we discussed spouses you know how we should treat our spouses let's be smart about it let's show love to each other as if we are each other we are we are together we are one let's handle life as one. With our children you know train them correctly gentle guiding not. [44:10] Anything else gentle guiding them the way they should go not saying there doesn't have to be disciplined there is time for negative and positive reinforcement. Gentle, guiding on both sides there are times we take away things there are times we do time out there are times we do different things gentle guiding positive and negative reinforcement the last one we really want to talk about is friendship. Because guess what. Who do we have more of in our lives our spouses and our children or friends now depending on your family size you might have more. Spouses and children then you do friends because some people have a lot of kids I don't know how y'all do it your job can't do it. Same with spouses I can't do more than one I can barely lovingly be with one. [45:09] Couldn't do multiple and two is enough children. [45:15] And and yes zadie your spouse me is also your friend and was your best friend for years before we were married but, we do handle our friends differently than our spouses and hopefully, you do what zaidi did where your spouse was your friend first and you've gone through all this friendship stuff we're going to talk about next week before. Getting into. [45:44] Relationships shouldn't get into relationships with strangers necessarily I know we live in the dating age but please get to know people before you just start dating them, and in case y'all heard that sorry my dog just decided to freak out for no reason. [46:01] Hopefully that wasn't as loud for you all as it was for us here if it was I will try to edit that down or I will just remove this part completely we'll see. But in that I hope you guys. [46:18] Heard this and understand what we're trying to go next week we never do this this is crazy next week we're gonna be talking about friendship. And yeah as they just said if you heard her yell a swear word. Our dog scared her so it happens we're not perfect here so for everyone out there. We love you we hope you have a great week this is recorded live on Sunday nights at 6:30 Central Time on Sundays it goes out on our. Twitch okay sorry no swearing, okay yeah they did not hear you swearing so we're good on Sunday nights this goes out on Twitch YouTube and Facebook you can go to our website EKK.HOUSE. Know which twitch which Facebook in which YouTube it is my personal twitch pastor newms and we will hopefully see you guys in that live so you can be part of this discussion like Biggs and zaidi was tonight where you can get into the discussion in that way. But I hope you guys all have a great week we love you and please be safe out there see you next time.

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S3E87: Reasons Christians should not celebrate birthdays… , Pastor Newms [0:00] Hello and welcome hope you guys are having a good week.  [0:08] This is the live recording hello and welcome, the recording of season 3 episode 87 of the Breen Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm pastor newms and Pastor Bill is still out and so we are going solo this evening.  [0:34] So start off by talking about our week and how it was our week was pretty good. Not too hectic like we've had a couple of hectic weeks this week was a little less hectic. Still kind of crazy just because you know work and work and everything going on you know but overall nothing crazy happened nothing big happened.  [1:07] I just realized that my youngest daughter left her water filled bottle of Mountain Dew in my office, next to Cholomander and that that's funny because now it looks like Cholomander has a Mountain Dew but that's that that tracks so that's good.  [1:28] For those of you who are out listening to the.  [1:34] The podcast and not watching the live recording my backdrop, I have several Build-A-Bears one of which is a Charmander with a beanie down low like a proper cholo would wear and so he is cholo mender and. It appears he is drinking a Mountain Dew this evening so that's very funny. So overall the week was pretty good busy but good. Nothing nothing huge my wife did get a job this week she starts on Monday tomorrow which is Monday which is going to be kind of interesting, and I spent way too much time out of the house this weekend, hey I don't like leaving the house I'm a home person I like sitting in my little see desk right here and I don't enjoy moving from my see desk and so, I did a lot this particular. Weekend yesterday and watched.  [2:59] Thor love and thunder which is a very humorous retelling of. Thor's life from the standpoint of.  [3:16] I can't remember the guys name but the rock dude I always want to call him crunk in that's not right because he reminds me of krunk. But whatever his name is the rock guy is the narrator through the whole movie and so if you go into the movie Korg thank you. If you go into the movie knowing he's the narrator it's a great movie if you go in expecting the exact same Thor movie that you're used to you might not like it but it is great as far as. Korg telling the story no spoilers of course but Korg is. Cork is Cork and so it's a good movie and so I consumed a lot of Marvel leading up to it because I was a couple I was. I was a couple of things behind and so I watched a lot of Marvel stuff over the week some of the stuff on Disney plus and everything and then today we actually went and had hibachi which we haven't had Hibachi since we moved to. Back to Tennessee so it's been a couple of years and so that was really good and went to a good place here in town and and that was very enjoyable the girls both thoroughly enjoyed it which is always fun.  [4:44] And. So the next thing we want to do is do getting another pastors which is a segment of the show that I don't even like but we continue to do it because.  [5:28] And the problem is is money is a great motivator now. I would say you couldn't pay me enough to stay in a couple of different jobs. And there are some that I physically couldn't do if it is a certain level of texture smell I physically can't but I would try. If I'm getting paid.  [5:59] But I definitely wouldn't continue doing a lot of jobs anything that's gross if you think about it and it you go that might be gross I wouldn't be able to do it I am. An inside person and I don't enjoy being dirty. I'm the oh no it's hot outside let's change our shirt two times in a day type person not a let's get sweaty and and and do anything outside so there's a lot of jobs that I wouldn't be able to continue doing probably but money is a really great motivator and so I would at least give it a shot, I'm trying to think if there's anything I just would not even.  [6:51] Try for money his Hazard pay happens at a certain points like if you're dealing with like crazy creatures or you're dealing with you know there's Hazard and so that would be worth it probably. Anything tall your high wire workers your. Your climb the pole and replace the whatever people none of that I would be able to do because I have tried to force myself to do.  [7:33] Certain things that involved climbing and ladders get too high so that I wouldn't be able to physically do I would I would freeze up and freak out and it wouldn't matter the amount of money now big said septic tank cleaner and with the proper PPE, I think I could do that with the proper PPE me just walking out and trying to do it and I can happen but with the proper personal protective equipment I think I could you get a good respirator and a gas mask and you can do a lot of stuff that around the stinky with the respirators and stuff that you're required to wear while you're doing the actual nasty part of that job I might be able to maybe, I would try at least though the the tall jobs I wouldn't even try.  [8:43] Go do Line work it's not a wolf knows I do have a very sensitive nose that is true. But yeah.  [8:58] The height thing I wouldn't even try I didn't least try I'll try to do something that stinky I won't enjoy it I wear gloves to take the trash out because I don't like touching the can so. You know but we'll figure it out um, so I think that's good for I can manage people I currently manage people again, I know I said oh you're saying you would never manage people because that makes sense that makes sense. That makes sense I could see that I.  [9:43] Yeah I could see that so. I think we're sufficiently warmed up it's odd how quickly I warm up when it's just me because I run out of stuff to warm up about until I get into the notes I need to make notes for warming up which is just what. Weird they might have an ascent they might have.  [10:15] And I have no idea what Biggs is trying to say.  [10:25] Oh oh oh oh okay. Yes manage manage some people trying to manage other people equals someone having an accident yes yes okay.  [10:42] Wow Phoenix I didn't know you spoke Biggs that well but that's good that one of us does. I guess after that many years of dealing with both me and Biggs she's figured out how to read I can't spell. So that's good so now that we're sufficiently warmed up. Go ahead and address this right now because if I don't address it it's going to get set at some point.  [11:14] For the live recording of This podcast it happened on the 17th of July and that day is. The day that many years ago according to my children and the birthday card I got today 80 years ago I was born so it is my birthday and in that, what we're going to be discussing tonight the night the title of tonight's podcast is why Christians should not celebrate birthdays.  [11:50] Let that sink in for a minute because. There are certain sects of quote-unquote religious organizations.  [12:02] That do not do birthdays there are certain groups of people who don't agree with it and so we're going to look at the reasons why that Burt Christians shouldn't, celebrate birthdays and so. We're going to we're going to jump in and and go straight to scripture because obviously this one is one that, we're going to have to try to prove if this is if this is actually the belief we're going to have to prove it scripturally so we're going to start off with the Bible only mentions birthdays, twice overall people celebrating their birthdays the only two people to celebrate their birthdays in Scripture that I could find any references to online or in my own knowledge mainly online because my knowledge fails us quite often. Is we're going to jump over to we're going to start off right off the bat with. Genesis 4020 so in Genesis 4020 we've got.  [13:29] On the third day which was Pharaoh's birthday he gave A Feast for all his servants. He elevated the chief cupbearer and the chief cupbearer among his servants. Fair restored the chief cupbearer to his position as cut bear and he placed the cup in Pharaoh's hand but Pharaoh hanged the chief Baker just as Joseph had explained to them. Yet the cheap cup beggar do not remember Joseph he forgot it so this is in the time of when Joseph was. Prison in captivity during his time in Egypt and during that time. These two people came to him and were like hey you know translate this dream and he did. And then that is where we after that point is where then we hear okay well it's Pharaoh's birthday and since it's Pharaoh's birthday we're going to talk about.  [14:37] This part of you know hey Bears birthday doesn't say much about it just hey it's Pharaoh's birthday the next time is Matthew 14-6 not 147 Matthew 14:6 and Mark 6. 21 so in Matthew.  [15:04] 14:6. When Harold's birthday celebration came, are radiuses daughter danced before them and pleased Herod so we promised with an oath to give her whatever she asked prompted by her mother she answered give me John the Baptist head here on a platter although the king regretted it he commanded that it be granted amongst because of his Oaths and his guests so he sent orders and had John beheaded in prison his head was brought on a platter and given to the girl who carried it to her mother, then the disciples came remove the corpse buried it and went to report to Jesus so that's the account in Matthew and then when we look at mark, 6:21.  [15:59] And the opportune time came when Harold when Herod gave a banquet for his Nobles military commanders in the leading men when Harry this is own daughter came in and danced she pleased Herod and his guests the king said to the girl ask me whatever you want and I'll give it to you he promised her with an oath whatever you ask me I will give you up to half my kingdom she went out asked her mother what should I ask for John the Baptist head she said at once she hurried to the king and said I want you to give me John the Baptist head on a platter, although the King was greatly displeased because of his oath and then we go through the whole the same way it's talked about in Matthew 14 so. We have these two the only two places in scripture where we talk about birthdays. Is a birthday celebration of a.  [17:01] Gentile outside of the Jewish faith as well as someone in leadership as well as someone who did not follow, Jehovah and then on top of that both times someone died some and not just died was straight killed, as big said someone died both times so both times in Scripture that birthdays are talked about, they both ended the story with someone being murdered now that in of itself isn't. Huge but one of the aspects of it is both of those events had. Parties being thrown by people in leadership which typically.  [17:53] Goes back to the Pagan roots of each of the different religions that were being you know the Egyptian Faith the service of their gods and then Herod in the service of his. Both of them would date back to having interesting rituals that would happen during birthday celebrations and so because of that the only two times birthdays are talked about in the scripture is both of them are are very negative. Fort from that standpoint of hey these are celebrations that are going on that end in someone's death and. You know it's not someone who is. In the church in the New Testament or of the Jewish faith in the Old Testament so that being talked about that being said the next thing to kind of look at is.  [18:47] What are. The holidays that are mentioned in the Bible that we should celebrate according to you know.  [19:02] You know here are celebrations to do. The crazy thing is is of course the Bible was written in whole at the time especially the Old Testament to and for Jews and the New Testament by Jews or.  [19:23] Early church. And either to Jews or two early church and Gentiles of that manner and so all of the holidays that are talked about are of course Jewish holidays. Passover the Feast of unleavened bread first fruits Pentecost Trumpets the day of atonement Feast of Tabernacles. Purim the new Moon Festival.  [19:55] So Those are those are the big ones that are talked about. And as big said you know not Christians celebrating those days Jesus fulfilled the Covenant and establish a New Covenant so we don't have to follow those. Feasts although some of them are really cool it to do so in a remembrance of Jesus, God protected the Jews through the line to bring Jesus to then bring us salvation so because of that you know some of those festivals are really cool and it is very interesting to look at the fact that the Jewish calendar is based on the new moon not a son base calendar like we follow currently. Which is also an interesting fact that has nothing to do with why we shouldn't celebrate birthdays.  [20:57] And so that's that's those the.  [21:04] But it never says to not celebrate those it does say that Jesus fulfilled. Then created a New Covenant fulfilled the law and so because of that we don't have to never says we can't. The only commemoration that Christians are required to keep, is if we look at Luke 7.  [21:36] Not seven Luke 22 17 through 20. Which if anyone is familiar and has been for those of you who are established, and has have been going to Modern churches for a long time you of course know this passage because this is the institution of the Lord's supper and so it's, you know when he the hour came he reclined at his table, and the apostles with him he took the cup and after giving thanks he said take this and share it amongst yourselves for I tell you from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom come kingdom of God comes he took the bread and gave thanks broke it and said this is my body which is given to you do this in remembrance of me, and the same way he also took the cup.  [22:31] After supper and said this is the cup of the New Covenant of my blood which is poured out for you but look the hand of one betraying me that this table for the son of man will go away as it has been determined but woe to the man who is betraying him and then they start an argument of you know. Who is it which one of us is the greatest and you know typical disciples not getting the point and arguing about other things that they typically do so in that, the only time that we're really told to celebrate something do something in remembrance from a Jesus telling a standpoint of a celebration would be the celebration of, the Lord's Supper which is due in remembrance of the sacrifice that he gave.  [23:24] And that's really the only one that is really talked about as a hey this is what you should be doing in remembrance of the past is. This aspect and, you know so that's something we do in the Lord's Supper the early church would meet much more often all of the early churches, meetings were over meals and they took part in the Lord's sorry all of their meetings were all together and there for a while it was very communal of they all, we're just together all the time but they every time they would eat they would do this ritual of breaking the bread, and giving thanks at the beginning of breaking the bread and then at the end of the the drinking at the end because you know after the meal, etc etc so that is the only time that we really talked about it and in that we're celebrating. The death and then Resurrection not the birth of Christ. And so that's one of those interesting things to look at of okay what are we celebrating why are we celebrating it.  [24:46] And answer those are the the things that are talked about. As specific holidays and specific things that were supposed to talk about so to me as a person. If we look at scripture, just scripture just the way scripture stated no interpretation really no no thought processes holidays are kind of a no real reason to celebrate them birthdays aren't important we should Nellis never celebrate birthdays, now that last one is of course completely satirical and. A personal belief just because I don't like receiving gifts and I don't like birthdays I love celebrating other people's birthdays I don't like celebrating mine so this is the point of the podcast, we're if you didn't realize leading up here since we don't have me and Bill I had to just play Devil's Advocate from the beginning, and now we move on to reality which is.  [25:51] We're not told not to celebrate birthdays they're not listed in scripture but that doesn't mean we can't do it that just means it's not listed in scripture it's not listed in Scripture that we should drink how many ounces of water in a day but if you don't drink a certain number of ounces of water in a day at a certain point, you will die of dehydration not just because it's not talked about in the scripture doesn't mean it's not, acceptable it's interesting to watch people try to say this isn't in scripture and this is so because of that this is all I can do, or I can't do that because it's not talked about I can't do that because it is I can't do that when. We really look at things like Psalm right.  [26:46] You know people are like well we don't celebrate that we don't do this we don't do well Psalms 118 verse 24 which for, again those of you who are steeped in church it's one of those where it's like okay yeah I already know it, we're going to read it anyway because it's important to have reminders and for those that are listening that aren't as steeped in traditional churches, and as we're trying to learn this stuff together Psalms 1 18 verse 24 says this is the day the day the Lord has made let us rejoice and be glad in it. So that right there.  [27:36] You know when we look at that this is the day the Lord has made. And life is not perfect for the person writing this. We have to rejoice and be glad because the Lord made the day so. That route of Rejoice is to it's interesting the proper is to spin around.  [28:17] Which which I find always funny the proper Rejoice is literally to spin around you got it you have to be a certain level of Happy. To do that happy spin thing that we as humans do when we're real happy we're like and we do the spit that's rejoice. Be glad be joyful Rejoice you know things like that under the influence of a violent emotion. So it's not just like yay that's that's not and that's not rejoice your not rejoicing if your only thought is yay unless of course that is the only way you show emotion because some of us are different on the emotional spectrum and if ye is all you can muster, tenge is what you got today some days are just yay days other days are full spinning around in a circle Happy Days, but the key is to Rejoice so if you're supposed to Rejoice every day.  [29:22] What makes a birthday special because now we have to go back to okay do we now, of course yeah cuz you're celebrating, making it another year you're celebrating God allowing you to continue in your purpose one more year because this is not in my notes so I'm I'd have to go find it and if someone wants to find it and put it in chat it'd be great but Paul says you know to live is Christ to die is gain so that living everyday we're living. We're doing it for God so we're supposed to be rejoicing so being able to have a full another year that we are able to be on the earth and affecting and loving others is a reason to celebrate.  [30:13] To die is gain so there is are are those of us that are like oh we made it another year but, we're still told that it's it's a time to Rejoice so we're supposed to despite the social anxiety of not liking your birthday. But so you look at okay well if we have to Rejoice every day you know but I don't, I want to celebrate this I don't want to celebrate that I don't want to is it wrong for me not to celebrate is it wrong for me to celebrate is it wrong for me, any of those types of thought processes or situations you know what is it I'm really trying to find and one of the things we need to think about when we start to look at that and this is a passage that we've looked at before, but it's one of those just fundamental important passages for, modern Christians which is Romans 14 5 and 6.  [31:16] Romans 14:5 and 61 man I switched over that's the full KJV and that's esteemeth one one person judges one day to be more important than another someone else judges every day to be the same Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind whoever observes a day observes it for the honor of the Lord whoever eats eats for the Lord since he gives thanks to God whoever does not eat it is for the Lord and he does not eat it and he gives thanks to the Lord for none of us lives for himself and no one dies for himself if we live we live for the Lord if we die we die for the Lord therefore whether we live or die we belong to the Lord.  [32:02] So do you celebrate birthdays yeah do you not celebrate birthdays. Yeah you do what you feel is right as far as celebrating a day. Now if you are going to go the route of the two examples if you're going to throw a party in sacrifice someone at the end of the party. Probably in the wrong human sacrifices and no no shouldn't be doing that and so because of that if your birthday party ends with you sacrificing one of your friends, probably not a good birthday party because you can't love someone who you've. Removed from the earth so because of that you know. Let's celebrate in a good way that's edifying and you know faith hope and love. But we should celebrate.  [33:06] Because it's what we're told to do we're told to celebrate rejoice, there is a scripture and I'm going to look it up because this is very important and it just came to my mind and I can't remember off the top of my head where it is because I didn't think about this before. Doot doot doot 22 22 22 22 22 22 we got to go we have to go super far from where we are right now we're going to go to Romans 12:15 and this is one that.  [33:51] Pastor Bill uses a lot Pastor Bill this is the reason I thought of it because I could hear him saying it. And this is this is this is in the section that you know some Bibles have that thing at the top the tell you hey this is sections about wow the sections about blah you know things like that, these are marks of the true Christian and one of the things that's talked about in this here in Romans is. One verse bless those who persecute you bless and do not curse, Rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep live in harmony with one another do not be proud instead associate with the humble, do not be wise in your own estimation so I love this area you know 14 to 16 for two reasons one. First off there's a whole lot to unpack in 12 both before and after and it's important to read that in and dig into what we've talked about it a couple times. But.  [35:04] When a family member wants you to go to lunch and celebrate your birthday. You can't. Be a fungal Fogle body I don't I can't a codger. A scrooge that's a good word you can't be a scrooge about it and be like now.  [35:34] Am I perfect in this no first thing I said to my mother today was I hate birthdays you know I hate birthdays but you know what you still show up, you still have fun you rejoice when people want to Rejoice with you and part of birthdays is that, part of all celebrations is not celebrating I, made it another year I am amazing part of it is other people want to celebrate the fact that they get to spend time with you, and so that's part of a party also when there's birthday parties or dinners or family get-togethers things like that we're supposed to rejoice when other people rejoice. There's the satirical side of me that the the dark side of me that's like I don't want to and this is a struggle for me trust me this one this this might seem like a much light-hearted like oh this is, you know we did two light-hearted weeks in a row which is always you know buckle up because it's gonna get nasty but on the same token, this one's hard for me I'm not good at celebrating. Myself when other people are rejoicing I'm not good at doing the same thing like you know if if I'm celebrating my girls or you know my mom. Last weekend you know things like that heck yeah all day let's do it.  [37:02] But like my older daughter multiple times a day was like but it's your birthday so we can do that and I'm like.  [37:13] Fine we'll go to an extra place will do this I'll let you do my nails and try this new matte finish, that you got that then does probably can't see it really well but like this one and this one and this one arm at, instead of gloss because my daughter found these really cool matte coat instead of your normal glossy top coat so I've got like multicolored but it's all One Nail Polish thing going on and. You know it's my birthday she wanted to do my nails cool let's do it you know.  [38:01] And as you know Phoenix was like what in chat like shocked that I don't like celebrating myself which.  [38:12] You know shit a deal with it all day because we took one car she was stuck out with us all day too so. That's all that's what we need to look at you know. You know the title of this podcast was reasons Christians should not celebrate birthdays and you know I said that. Very specifically I didn't say Christians should not, the title is reasons Christian should not there aren't any not really if you want to get real legalistic you can find some you can cherry-pick scriptures, we don't condone that in a very in lifestyle because we should be taking the scripture as a whole and as a whole we're supposed to Rejoice we're supposed to be glad we're supposed to enjoy life enjoy your family hug them love on them you know spread love as always you know. Beat that dead horse all day long because sadly. In the world we live in we all need more faith hope and love and so. Fine for those of you don't like being touched like Phoenix you don't have to hug your friends.  [39:29] But at least love up. Getting a hug from Phoenix's is one of the greatest achievements of ever because it happens so rarely.  [39:40] So yeah that's that's what I've got there aren't reasons this was a satirical because I wanted to write about the fact I don't like birthdays. But to be honest I kind of went into it thinking I would find some stuff, to be honest when I went into this study I thought I'd find some things that were like here are the reasons why you shouldn't celebrate birthdays here are the the times it says something about a pagan this or another god dad or somewhere it's going to say something and then we look at it from a standpoint of. Jesus and that's how we don't anymore and then I'm starting to do studying and I'm like I don't know you know it's got to be somewhere. You know typing this typing that change the search function you know look for a different word in the concordance you know there's got to be something somewhere there because there are people who believe that you shouldn't celebrate your birthday so somewhere has to be, and it's not it's not it's not there. Pick up sorry sorry it's not there.  [40:52] That's all I got for tonight is hey you know love on each other. Rejoice celebrate celebrations and then you know as we say to what the last scripture of the night, cry when other people are crying don't laugh at your father while you're watching Thor love and thunder and he starts crying because the movie has sad parts because it's a Marvel movie and. You know don't laugh at your dad cry with him not that I would ever do that but you know laugh and cry with your friends rejoice. Not getting onto anyone because it was a joke let's be clear that's a joke too. So you know as we talked about with chat the.  [41:45] We record this live every Sunday night at 6:30 and then it goes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. Central Time you can go check us out on EKK.HOUSE and it'll tell you which twitch which YouTube in which Facebook we're live on you can join me maybe this week I'll actually, do some gaming I did one the other day but it wasn't much and so. Yes I am 38 Biggs we are getting there I'm not as old as Pastor Bill Let's make that perfectly clear I might be balder but I am not older.  [42:29] So when we you know we record this every week join us you can be a part of chat ask questions give feedback you know we've got some things. Some situations going my lovely wife just said I'm bald by choice which is partially true I am not. 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S3Ep86 All Doggos Go To ... , Pastor Newms [0:00] Hello and welcome, to season 3 episode 86 of the Berean Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian. This is pastor newms and I'm here to deliver an interesting thought process. Interesting. Topic tonight last week's was pretty heavy and so I decided to go a little bit lighter with this week's for a question that is you know. Plagues us all sooner or later in time and my personal thoughts on it but so first thing. You're my week is good we got a lot of stuff done around the house getting ready for the next school year. And such starting to get that process going so that way we can be ready to home school the girls next year and just a lot of a lot of stuff going on in my house. Played some games not a lot of streaming games just because it was you know, kind of boring stuff I was doing and random times I didn't stream it all this week hopefully this next week I will but. Overall my work week was good and the week itself was good just real busy.  [1:30] I hope you guys all had a great week as well.  [1:35] But that's just kind of how my week went was kind of boring I didn't do anything Fantastical or anything.  [1:46] I don't think I can't remember anything I don't know alright see you, now onto the part of the show that I still don't like even though I'm continuing to do it every week because it's part of the show which is getting another pastor's the question tonight. Is what is one item you own that you really should throw away. But probably never will. So here's the problem with this question what is something that I should throw away but I probably won't. And the answer is everything. I keep way too much stuff. I collect things I treasure things very easily and I. End up.  [2:54] Having just boxes of stuff yes as Phoenix said it is a family trait she does a similar thing, I Won't Say I'm quite at hoarder status. Because I don't keep.  [3:17] Like newspapers boxes cans I've used you know things like that in piles but like.  [3:27] Anything that might be collectible I keep in the Box typically I keep.  [3:36] Things like that has Zaydiee says she's not like, me and Phoenix and we need to clean out a bunch of junk we never use which the reason we haven't is she knows if we were to start that process it would be nothing but a never-ending fight until we were done and, that'll be an interesting, time when she decides it's time to throw away a bunch of stuff because every time she does it gets to be pretty heated, nrm marriage during times when she wants to purge and I want to hoard. It was really really bad when we got married I came to the marriage with like 20 something. 24 totes of Collections and.  [4:36] Just stuff like I have two totes of t-shirts from high school never some of them are band shirts that's why and we are down to like five totes because I eliminated over time and certain things are just real important and so they're out and about if I could once I get everything set up, you know as we build out the house more and more over time some of that stuff will become.  [5:11] Integrated into the house I've got a lot of. Legos and lots of other things like that that are in boxes comic books things that are all plastic totes nothing's in boxes boxes, but hopefully soon we'll get all that put places I'll be rearranging my office soon, and when I do that it'll be time to it'll give me some time to be able to do some of that, purging an unboxing and figuring out OK is this box actually important is this thing in Port you know blah blah blah but I have a lot of stuff just stuff so yeah stuff. I think that's it for getting another pastors I think I think I think I think.  [6:16] Which then leads us to. The message for the night the conversation we want to have whatever you want to call it the part of the time of talking so. I wanted to talk about do doggos go.  [6:39] Blank now the term dog oh might be like the taco dogs are doggos dog. So it's play on that do all dogs go to heaven aspect because doggos is a is a thing and it's interesting because this is one of those situations where. Everyone has. Lots of people have opinions across all of history on what happens to pets every religion you know it gets asked because people love pets. So I thought we'd start with looking at what some religions outside of Christianity belief starting with Islam, um now this this synopsis I found so I don't know. I kind of grabbed a couple different sources and kind of pushed it all together as we all do with internet research so it's not like one place but, a bunch of stuff that I could find as I was researching so Islam doesn't and doesn't offer a clear answer in the Quran.  [7:59] But in order to go to, Heaven their version of Heaven beings must be judged by God on Judgment Day and so then there's a dissent among, Scholars on whether animals would or would not be judged but, the Quran does say that people that go people who enter Paradise can have whatever they want and then logically some people would argue that than it is. The pets. Because if you've had lots of pets over time you love all of them they've passed at some point or another of course that's what you want once you are in Paradise so that is the, Buddhism and Hinduism they both have a thought process of reincarnation in them and so over time you your, they do believe animals have a soul in are sentient and that it is part of The Reincarnation cycle and so in that they would not because.  [9:14] We are all animals are. Just part of our cycle of reincarnation so their thought processes is once you get to Nirvana you would be at a point of above that thought process, Judaism is similar to, Islam and what we're going to get to here in a few minutes with Christianity on whether it's kind of fuzzy.  [9:45] And you know there are some people who go so far as to. You know whether there is a true heaven or hell as other religions Define it other than just paradise and she'll which we've talked about in past. Broadcast and and so there's that aspect but some rabbis say that you know. Animals can go to those places some people say some Rabbi say animals can't but in Judaism there is the belief that animals do have, Souls from what I can understand and that's part of the whole kosher. In the blood because that's where the souls are you know held kind of and same with us you know life is in the blood those aspects and so in Judaism there is.  [10:45] The thought process that animals do have souls but it's unknown whether they can go to the paradise or the next phase. And then we get to Christianity where again, it's fuzzy because there are Scholars who believe yes there are scholarship believe know there are Scholars who believe no they don't have souls animals don't have souls but they do have.  [11:17] Similar to the Islamic belief of well but once you get to heaven it is Paradise and what would Paradise be without our pets and so there are all those types of, conversations so what I kind of wanted to look at quickly and this is going to be a shorter one because let's be honest this is kind of a funny. A funny topic that I just kind of want to talk about because it's a question that children ask a lot it's a question that other people ask a lot and so I just wanted to give people a thought of you know let's think about it. And there's a couple places in scripture where animals are talked about a lot. They of course were created before man. In Genesis and then I'm going to use very interesting story which. Is an odd one to use for this but.  [12:39] Thought process and balaam's donkey and so then when we look at. In 23 the story of Numbers 22 23 the story of Balaam, it said that the Lord opened the donkey's mouth so the exact thought is when the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the path of the Dawn, with a drawn sword in his hand she turned off the path and went to the field so Balaam hit her the angel of the Lord stood.  [13:15] The narrow passage between The Vineyards in the stone wall on either side of the donkey saw the angel of the Lord and pressed him herself against the wall squeezing balaam's foot against it so he hit her, once again the angel of the Lord went ahead and sit in the narrow place so there's no room to turn right or left when the donkey saw the angel of the Lord she crouched down under Balaam so he became Furious and beat the donkey with his stick, the Lord then the Lord opened the donkey's mouth, and she asked Balaam what have I done to you that you have beaten me these three times and Balaam answered which this part of the find interesting Balaam answered the donkey and wasn't freaked out about the fact that there isn't donkey, talking to him you made me look like a fool if I had my sword in my hand I'd kill you and the donkey said I'm, am I not the donkey you've written all your life have I ever treated you this way before no he replied and the Lord opened balaam's eyes and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the path with a drawn sword in his hand so. You know the reason I'm looking at this story of Balaam is this is one of the the times that. Animals have a direct Forefront.  [14:36] Part of the story where they are actually. So what are the only times they have a speaking role in the scriptures other than the serpent in the.  [14:55] In Genesis that was possessed and then the there's the. The, the prophetic aspect of the Dragon in Revelation which might or might not actually be, a physical creature or just the spiritual thought process of it which is another interesting discourse all in its own. So in that where it says the Lord opened the donkey's mouth the term for open that's used is I'm going to. I'm going to butcher this because I barely speak English properly but it's.  [15:51] Pause fuck its primary route to open literally and figuratively specifically to loosen. To plow to carve to Break Forth to draw out to let go free it's use about 143 times in the KJV. Version where Strong's has talked about so go with me on this thought process so the Lord opened the donkey's mouth so. My thought process here is if you open the mouth. That means it had to be closed it doesn't say gave the ability to speak it says open which implies that animals have that sentient aspect.  [16:50] And so replies it was closed now.  [16:55] We don't we don't have in the Bible listed a definite time that the miles were closed but. We know that it's talking about here and the serpent the serpent the only other time. And one of the main things that separates us for Animals is the stability of you know speech it's not the only thing but it's one of those big things of understanding and languages and, fought over whether or not animals have souls or if they have reasoning or if they run sheerly off of instinct more than thought, but to me this story shows the attitude of the ass and the fact that she strove to serve her master well and so in that to me, um that rejects that thought process that animals only run on, now those of us that have pets and do more of treating our pets like they are part of the family as opposed to actual pets. Like my family does this is not something that is.  [18:24] I surprised because we treat our animals like they have full attitudes all the time and so, you know we we often joke about things like that and you do notice in animals a distinct. Attitude often and so because of that I've always had that thought process of that animals had. The ability of speech and have their own personalities and have their own. Aspects of their personality just like their human counterparts which then leads us to. That thought process that day. Might have mental reasoning above.  [19:20] That of just logic now as humans we are three parts we are Body Spirit and soul, and so one could argue well maybe they have the spirit but not the soul or one could argue they have just the soul and not the spirit depending on which usage of each word that you use whether one is the connection to your your mind will and emotion and then the other is your connection to, God and you know the spirit, and so there's the always that thought process when you start to talk about souls and those types of things and we've kind of talked about Soul versus spirit before in past broadcasts, and so you have to kind of look at you know is there a true, difference which we know there is between the spirit and the Soul so is it possible that the animals just have, the mind will and emotions but do not have an actual connection to the higher power that humans have. So we're going to talk about the soul specifically now to kind of.  [20:39] Go into that the word that she translated into Soul most of the time is nephesh. And it's properly a breathing creature that is an animal, used very widely in literally mental and physical or an appetite it's used in the kjv 753.  [21:08] Examples of this is TLeviticusis 26:11 so we'll look at that real quick as one of the aspects that we have Leviticus, 26:11 no that can't be right that's going to be a typo.  [21:34] Is it how did you jump over to my parallel here sorry. 26  [21:47] Hmm.  [21:59] I'm looking for where I was actually I miss type something so let's find. Where it might be it's not into is it in six.  [22:44] We looking for.  [23:15] Okay. So here we have it is it's 26:11 sorry and I will set my Tabernacle among you and my soul, shall not a poor you and that Soul let's listed there is the 2315. Which is interesting because that is.  [23:42] You know the Lord talking to us so his soul he uses that word of a breathing creature. Then when we look at Deuteronomy 6:5 would help fight look at the right, versions so that's the video Kiss 26/11 we go to Deuteronomy 6.  [24:13] Five. We have love the Lord thy God with all thy heart with all your soul and with all their strength and that word soul is the same that connection of the breathing. The breath that is in us and then if we look at Leviticus we jump back to Leviticus and we look at 27. 1:33 and say to them I have messed up my notes something terrible guys I'm very sorry.  [25:40] Do do do do do do do do do.  [26:00] There is a place where it is used for creature in Leviticus and that's what I'm trying to find and I am sorry that I have messed this up so royally.  [27:01] 5314 I'm looking at it would help if I was looking at the correct.  [27:13] Leviticus 26 11 let's go back there yeah using concordances incorrectly.  [27:44] So let's look at Genesis 1:20 so the verdict is 26 and then we had Deuteronomy I forgot to type these references and then we're going to jump to Genesis 1. And there it says. And God said let the waters bring forth abundantly and moving creatures that hath life and fowl that may fly above the Earth in the open firmament of heaven and that creatures that have life is again that, that's that aspect of the Soul, it's the same word that's translated for soul for humans as well as used for man in certain places and used for animals, creatures that liveth so what's that. Implying that that Soul or spirit that it is speaking of at that point is what defines life and so when we look at that that's what.  [29:10] That's where that conversation lies so we don't have to me we don't have biblical proof that animals don't. Have a soul in that so because of that there's no. Proof that they don't have the ability to move into the spiritual realm upon death so this is one of those situations where.  [29:49] We don't know. And that's okay some of these aspects are things that we have to have beliefs about and we have to have faith in what we have and what we believe but this is one of those situations where we don't have definitive. Proof we know humans will go through a judgment we know. Aspects like that but we don't know whether or not animals will just you know it's that, you know old school movie all All Dogs Go to Heaven well all dogs are good dogs so they go to heaven you know, there's that thought process and so this is one of those that's of course not a Salvation aspect so this is one of those just thought experiments more than anything else of what do you believe why do you believe it, situations like that and the question was posed to me one time and that's why I had even looked any of this up in the past and, have then kind of used it to to look at that but personally for me I feel that animals will. Because we know there are animals in heaven. That is talked about in scripture and I closed my.  [31:19] Bible program so I'm sorry technical difficulties just all over the place today we know that there is a time in.  [31:35] Scripture where if we look at the end.  [31:51] And that comes from I'm trying to find it again because I. Closed it after I opened it and this was not part of my.  [32:15] To do to do.  [32:18] Do do do do this wasn't part of my notes it just came to me while I was talking.  [32:36] And it is found in.  [33:00] 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2.  [33:27] So  [33:48] 52 do okay the one place I decided not to look quickly is of course where it's talked about this is that whole thing about doing church together. It looks like I'm just wrong.  [34:43] So this is one of those weird. Aspects of Christianity where we talk about something over and over again but it is not accurate. In fun learning things together right guys so when Isaiah 11:6. The the passage talks about this is talking about the Thousand-Year Kingdom of Christ on Earth so this is before the final Heaven before the Ascension the final Ascension. But in Isaiah 11:6 it actually says not the lion but the wolf. The wolf it's actually talked about in a couple places Isaiah 6 11 and Isaiah 65 25 both of them say. The wolf and the lamb shall graze together which.  [35:58] Is interesting because we always hear line in the lamb the thought process.  [36:08] Possibly is when you look at you know it's just one of those things we're taught that's not actually document anywhere.  [36:24] Some people say the reason why it's gotten messed up is.  [36:32] In Revelation 5 and 6 when it's talking about the Scrolls being opened and it says and then one of the elders said to me do not weep, look the lion of the tribe of Judah the root of David has conquered so that he might be able to open the scroll and it's Seven Seals and then I saw one like a slaughtered lamb standing in the midst of the throne and four living creatures and among the elders he had seven horns and seven eyes which are the seven spirits of God sent into all the Earth um and then they open the scroll and so it's it's that aspect of combining, you know the Lord is talked about as The Lion and the lamb and then the wolf and the lamb slain down with each other, either that or it's yet another Mandela effect of I've jumped time streams and. You know they did turn the hydrogen the height of the.  [37:26] The collider in CERN is back on so who knows but it's actually not talked about in scripture about the line in the lamps that's one of those things that unless I cannot find it and Google has failed us all while I'm doing research on the Fly which is. Interesting. So it's supposed to be a wolf I guess it doesn't make for his good of pictures maybe of a wolf in Lamb's but. I think that's also kind of better, so we know for a fact in the Thousand Years when God recreates Earth there will be animals but actual end time Heaven you know eternity that is up in the air. But we can hope and that's that's what we do, you know we have faith we hope and we love I hope all my animals are there waiting on me because I want them all just a house full of animals from my whole life.  [38:35] So that is my. Discussion for tonight does anyone did anyone else that's listening all several of you guys know that it was wolf and not lamb am I the only one who thought lamb. I mean thought lion and lamb. I know Phoenix is out there and I know zadie is did both of you guys feel that.  [39:11] It was lying instead of wolf am I the only one has everyone left me.  [39:25] Phoenix says she knows it was wolf what what.  [39:36] What can I guess it was me. Lady says she agrees she remembers it being lying always taught lying in the lamb what zaidi why do you feel that wolf makes more sense. The verse we're talking about so well both Phoenix we are talking about you know.  [40:02] I was trying to find the scripture where it talks about the lion and the lamb which doesn't exist. And I thought the saying came from a verse. Because of what it implies but it does not.  [40:26] And so that's interesting because I always remember being taught it was lion and lamb in Revelation. It appears zaidi says wait what did you find 80 what does it imply.  [40:47] What does the verse imply well let's look at it again if we look at that was Isaiah 11. Six we can reread it 11:6. The wolf will dwell with the lamb the leopard will lie down with the goat the calf the lung Young Lion and the fatted calf will be together. And a child will lead them the cow and the bear will graze their young ones will lie together the line, eat straw like cattle an infant will play by the cobras pit and a toddler will put his hand into the snakes then they will not harm or destroy each other. On my entire Holy Mountain for the land will be as full of the knowledge of the Lord as the sea is full of water, and the root of Jesse will stand as a banner and the Nations will look to him.  [41:59] Extend his hand to the remnant of people who survived this is all talk about the Thousand Years Isaiah prophesy sometimes. Interesting and and I agree Phoenix it does make sense when you think about it from the stack standpoint of the wolf is who usually fights against. Lambs other than a couple of times where it is a mountain lion.  [42:37] No no it's not a version aspect but I do agree he's 80 it has. More sense along the line of the other stories of Wolfson Lambs it does make a lot more sense and maybe it's just that whole thing about the lion is talked about later with the calf which makes more sense because let's be honest lions. Fight calf's more than sheep.  [43:06] And and yes Sadie in Narnia it is definitely a lamb and a sheep. And not a mountain lion but an actual I can't find. A verse with the line of the lamb but. Feel free to reach out to me you can find out how to contact us on EKK.House and. If I cannot find it and that would be good I'm sure someone out there would messages if possibly. 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S3Ep85 - But Leviticus Says...

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 85 of the Berean Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I am pastor newms and as you can see we are not joined still by Pastor Bill he is still on his sabbatical and, so you know this is where we would usually talk about how our week went by we went pretty good, I was real busy with work and so this that was kind of. Busy. I set up an ark server and started playing Ark again it's been playing Pokemon Legend of our rqs or however you say it some but not much. And then you know just busy with work.  [1:01] The two kind of fun things happened this weekend. One is groggy in the best or the best came over and.  [1:14] Have been hanging out has been hanging out and played some board games with the family Phoenix is not here and the reason. Phoenix is in here. It's because she's currently dog-sitting because my parents today is their 40th, wedding anniversary which is why Biggs is not here which he usually is one of our vocal. People and he is not here because he is celebrating his.  [1:54] Like his 40th wedding anniversary which is you know a huge deal which means I am also getting very old because I am only two years behind that so that's um been our week it's been pretty good I'd like to also say happy Fourth of July to everyone in our live world those of you that are here.  [2:23] Those aspects you know yours is for tomorrow yeah thank you twitch for telling me your. That we were alive right now. Six minutes after and that right there is part of the reason why we have the 5 minute countdown that are recorded, I'm sure you'll get the podcast on Wednesdays they don't get that that 5-minute pre Countdown Just because, it's not really a reason to put it on a podcast but on twitch sometimes it doesn't the messages don't go out right away because email clients and and everything else that happens, so we yes we have that five minute countdown so that was fun, got to hang out the girls are still a little shaken up from the car accident they had last week that I talked about and so that was a little rough, but they're doing a lot better if we got a rental car and.  [3:28] For those that are hearing this on Wednesday or later date, happy July 4th to you guys as well I hope it was good for you and I hope all of us that are here it is good for us being that this is recorded on July 3rd. That's kind of how my week went nothing crazy nothing big nothing huge on my board of work stuff and everything like that. So onto my favorite / not favorite and I don't know why I'm still doing this without Pastor Bill, making me do it but now it's just part of the thing we do each week so we have to do it is getting no the pasture so we're pulling from the chat pack what is. The longest line you have ever stood in longest line I've ever stood in.  [4:27] Now wonder we are we thinking. Group or what is the longest line. We've ever stood in so from a person standpoint it would have to be either getting into concerts that I've gotten into. Or events I can't even think of the longest one time would have to be. I don't really know I don't go to amusement parks much so I don't stand in those kind of lines it have to be to get into a concert most of those you know, don't really anymore so I'm gonna have to say a recent one that happened that's probably going to happen again in a couple weeks, that's not 45 minutes for a cheeseburger so when what the.  [5:33] Okay okay I'm going to have to get back to both of those in just a moment but for me probably the longest wait time and line I've been in was when the Water Burger opened up in. Whatever the city is the starts with an H. Up in Nashville we drove 45 minutes up there and then stood in line for like well sat in line in our car for like two and a half hours.  [6:06] All five of us both our girls me is Zaydiee Phoenix and we sat in that line so we could say we had Whataburger, on that first day there is a Whataburger coming soon closer to us, when that one opens its supposed to open sometime this year this month when it opens probably going to do the same thing, just so I can say I was here the first doors open when I'm you know older dying because I love Whataburger, so after that's probably the longest line recently now we're going to back up a couple messages because we really really really got a touch on two things one is Zaydiee says that her is probably the longest line was standing in Disney in one of the Disney lines at Disney World or Disneyland one of the other, and to that I say yet another reason why I don't want to go.  [7:04] But that's beside the point the one we really need to touch on is directly above that. We're Phoenix bricksville Stitch says. The Twilight DVD release at Hot Topic now I don't remember this so I don't know if I wasn't home.  [7:27] But what you what.  [7:38] I'm worried I took you man talk about suppressed memories. Oh at North East Mall in Dallas. Wasn't it oh that was awful all those little nerds all those little teeny bopper. Oh I forgot about that that was awful.  [8:05] Oh you made me remember a repressed memory that's just rude to do on a Sunday night oh I completely forgot about that that was terrible.  [8:18] Oh all those kids in the fangs and the outfits and the oh. And this comes from someone who was a goth. For a while in the 90s and early aughts but these outfits were just burned but I forgot about it I talked to all of them people all the team people just because.  [8:43] It's what I do the employees were all they were so oh they were so miserable that night, oh it was terrible they felt almost as bad as I did for being there I forgot I took you to that oh that was the things you do for people you love.  [9:04] And he. That's worse than 3 hours in a car anyway that's terrible okay.  [9:17] So yeah and they couldn't really sit till midnight and the line was there and everyone was getting restless midnight releases so back in the day I went to a lot of midnight releases, several of the World of Warcraft expansion several video games but none of them were anywhere close to as bad as that Twilight one sitting in a mall, waiting oh it was so bad.  [9:48] And I've never done the Black Friday lines I've worked Black Friday lines but I've never been in one. So yeah hmm well. Yeah midnight releases were big in you know back in the day before digital downloads were more popular and Drop Shipping midnight releases was what you did but none of them were. Like wait three hours in the cold you know blah blah blah it was just kind of like show up at midnight because you pre-ordered you know. Because the gaming industry has had done it for so long that we had it you know down so. Yeah that was hmm hmm.  [10:47] Now I've now I've I've had bad memories repressed I can't I can't think about our topic or anything else I can just dwelling on how bad that evening was.  [10:59] Wow okay Jokes Aside um I don't know why I'm obsessively. Lining up my dice on my desk for some reason while I'm doing this okay so. Who's topic for tonight as you can see below us or on the podcast title if you're listening to it or you know if you're not seeing it somewhere listed. I'm not sure how you're consuming it but cool thanks. The title for tonight is “but Leviticus says…” and the reason why, we're going that route of but Leviticus says is one for my time of my takeover of the Brie and Manifesto for these weeks that I get to do it, I decided all of the titles needed to be weird so that's where we're going, his one reason and the second reason is because it's an important topic when we're digging into a belief system of. And when we are as modern Christians discussing where we are as a society how we got here what we believe and all those kinds of things is this topic.  [12:20] And so I want to preface what I'm about to say. By saying that anyone who's listening anyone who hears it I might agree with you on some of these topics I might not agree with some of you on these topics either way you're loved. As Christians we are commanded to love our neighbors All Saints and all sinners.  [12:52] As Christ did. So where that comes from is Romans 13 9 and 10.  [13:03] And that reads.  [13:13] Wait a second.  [13:25] Yes even when they throw firecrackers at you we have to love them 9 the Commandments do not adultery do not murder do not steal do not covet in any other commandment are summed up by this commandment love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to its neighbor Love Therefore is the Fulfillment of the law, you know a lot of times on on the brief Manifesto we talk about faith hope and love and love being the greatest and people are like you know you talk about love too much well, one of the reasons is this verse in Romans 13 love completes. And is the Fulfillment of the law if we are loving our neighbors if we are loving ourselves if we are loving God. It should be God ourselves our neighbors but that's besides the point if we are doing those things then, naturally you'll fulfill the Commandments because they're all summed up in that, you're not going to commit adultery if you love your neighbor so you're not going to sleep with someone else's wife because you're loving your neighbor you're not going to cheat on your wife because you're loving your neighbor.  [14:39] Now that's the key what if you love yourself you have to love your neighbors and yes you are playing the newms card Phoenix if you notice I did not. I read the verse love thy neighbor as yourself and then stated yourself is one of the things you have to love because that is in the Commandment as well so when we look at.  [15:07] The meaning of that word. Could be him them etc etc own self is what it is what it truly means so it is love yourself.  [15:40] And part of it is you do have to love yourself and it's work because, yes Phoenix I wasn't actually going to say it I didn't write it in my notes so thank you for bringing it up those of us that struggle with self hatred struggle with depression we struggle with. Intrusive thoughts and other aspects like that those of us that struggle with that a lot of us look at this verse and go okay but if I don't love myself. I can't love others but it's more you're supposed to love yourself and others. As you should love yourself not as you. Actually love yourself for example I am one who tends to be slightly steeped in in in in Anger violence hatred etc etc I'm not exactly your nice person.  [16:40] But we're commanded to love others in myself it was up to me. I wouldn't do either but I have to at least try because it is one of those things that we should be doing. Now and that's the key is because we have to do it. As Jesus did it Jesus loves us so we therefore have to are worthy of love, even though we don't feel it we are and so we have to love ourselves that's one of those other keys because Jesus did and, that's a realization that sometimes hurts because we tend to as humans injure ourselves and injure others verbally physically the way we treat ourselves the way we treat others and it's like wait, Jesus loves us so I should at least love myself a little.  [17:46] And that's a big thing in and of itself um that's a whole nother I could talk on that for a long time so another thing I'd like to point out as we're talking about. What's written in Leviticus and as we're talking about Sin and Sinners and Saints and love and and all those I want to point out Galatians 3 22. So in Galatians and we are very verse heavy tonight which is not always. How I am but, with a topic like this we really have to be because there's not a lot of there is a lot of wiggle room a lot of beliefs and a lot of people have deep-seated what they've been taught and what they feel and so we really have to this is one of those topics where we have to go to the scripture. A lot, just kind of as a heads up as we're digging into this and we're like oh this is like the you know this is we've covered more scripture tonight than we have in three weeks you know well there's, a good reason because this isn't one where it's like well you kind of already know this as a human being this is when you kind of got to dig into a little more so in Galatians 3 22. We can actually.  [19:09] You know this is all talk  Galationns is all talking about the low on the promise it's a really good overall but what we're going to focus on is is 322 which is the scripture imprisoned. Everything under sins power so that the promise might be given on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe, before this Faith came we were confined under the law imprisoned until the coming Faith was revealed, the law then was our Guardian until Christ so that we could be justified by faith but since that faith is come we are no longer under a guardian for through faith you are all sons of God in Jesus in Christ Jesus so.  [19:55] In that and it continues to talk about we're talking about everyone Jew and Greek slave nor free male or female because you're all one in Christ. Etc so when we look at those verses it's that thought process that we hear a lot of well. Scripture says or the law says or sin is blah it's exactly this here's the list here's what you follow here's why and. There was a list and the list was needed because that is how, we were supposed to live and that's following those before Jesus was how we showed we were walking but under Jesus Jesus we don't need the guardian the guard rails. Of the law necessarily. We need Jesus and in that extension the Holy Spirit to help guide us through things.  [21:03] Do to do to do looking at my notes.  [21:11] So in that I agree with people that sin was not created by God some people say God created send some people say he didn't that's a whole theological debate in and of itself I personally don't believe that sin was created by God but because rules were created as soon as you create a rule, there is the possibility of sin we were imprisoned by it. Because we were told not to do something we specifically did that thing and then sadly were locked in but it's not a. Aspect of oh well you send your bad we were imprisoned by that and, Jesus Through covering our sins in his blood for salvation frees us from that so now we get to the part of Leviticus where we're going to actually look at Leviticus since you know.  [22:10] Leviticus it's the title of tonight what about Leviticus people talk about Leviticus a lot and then point at the scriptures as Sin, a large part of the book talks about the rules of sacrifice when you have to sacrifice when you can sacrifice an interesting read if you ever want to it's kind of fun, very sarcastic saying that is Leviticus 15 16 through 33 and I'll put it in the chat but we're not going to discuss it we're just going to put it there and if you want to go read it you can, that's up to you as an adult it's a fun one though, but as Christians do we have to sacrifice all the time then no because Jesus was our lamb and he perfected the sacrifice and we find that, in Romans 5 6 through 10 and that's.  [23:04] A big part of it because a lot of Leviticus is about when you had to do a sacrifice to cover those issues so now when we look at Romans. Romans click on it right five six through 10 for while we were still helpless at the right time Christ died for the ungodly for rarely will someone die for a just person. Though for good person perhaps someone might even Dare To Die but God proves his own Love For Us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us how much more than since we have now been declared righteous by his blood will we be saved through him from Wrath, for if we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his son then how much more of we've been reconciled when we are saved by his life, not only that but we rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ through whom we now have received this reconciliation so.  [24:06] The aspect of that to look at is you know Jesus perfected our sacrifice we don't have to sacrifice anymore so a lot of the levitical law goes right out the window just for that because, we don't have to complete sacrifices if we look at Leviticus 19:19, this is a verse that's often used in a lot of, strawman arguments of hey look at this we don't do this so we can't do any of it but it's kind of true, it states we shouldn't wear garments of two made of two kinds of materials these mainly speak of wool and little and linen being combined in other parts of the Bible and different translations they worded as two kinds but it raises the question of should we mix Fabrics, you know I'm wearing a mix fabric right now I'm sure lots of people out there are but I think we agree we can because that's not a law that's. Has any value. To us in today's society and through the Salvation through those aspects of Christianity and Christ dying in perfecting the law it's not needed. But if we're going to use certain parts of Leviticus and not others it raises a question for you as you decide and do your personal study as a Brie and should on.  [25:26] What are you defining as Sin and why another example of this is Leviticus 11 4 through 8.  [25:37] We're we're commanded to not eat pork I personally love bacon, don't like pork chops very much I could do without those but Bacon's hard Peter was given a revelation in Acts 10 10 through 15 that most people take to believe that pork is then okay to eat another philosophical aspect and you've heard Pastor Bill use this one in the past that that whole part in Acts is actually not about food at all but showing Peter that, Jews are not the only people he should be going to he should be going to Gentiles as well and that's why it was full of Gentile food because Peter then goes on to talk later that he still doesn't eat certain foods because he just doesn't. I feel like he should because he mainly ministered to certain groups but there is that aspect where.  [26:34] Either way you know I don't think we're going to take into account that pork is bad. And then we go let's jump to the, New Testament because people will point to the New Testament say okay look here's a list of sin this list of sin that's right here is, one of the times is in Romans Romans 1 27 through 32 this one is used a lot when people are trying to make a point about certain, quote unquote sin but not taking into context the actual scripture which that actual scripture is talking about people who were worshiping God God, Yahweh and then turn their back on God and started worshiping Idols in that Temple, and he lists a whole long list of sin that comes from those. That the people were doing and I'll point out one verse around it.  [27:44] Around around this aspect and it's for this reason God delivered them over to their disgraceful Passions. Got there not when we look at it this is not a list of, hey you know these are people who are terrible and this means because those people have done this thing here's the list of things, but he says they Dave are filled with all unrighteousness evil greed wickedness there full of Envy murder coils deceit malice gossips slanderers got haters arrogant proud boastful inventors of evil disobedient to their parents senseless untrustworthy unloving unmerciful nari although they know God's just sentence they practice such things, they deserve to die not only them even the applaud to those who practice them. But the very he's talking about are these people that literally walked away from Christianity or the.  [28:50] The church or the Jewish faith and walked into temples and did a lot of. Acts that are not necessarily you know. The Roman gods required some sacrifices that were really really interesting sometimes you know your gluttony where you would eat till you vomited and then eat more, you know situations like that were common in certain temples and.  [29:18] So in those that's what Paul's talking about is we have to stay out of the. These other temples we shouldn't be doing that shouldn't be pointing at one specific people like to cherry pick you know this verse or this verse or this verse out of this big list and then say these are what. Are bad and see it says it right here and exclude the whole aspect of God delivered them to their own desires.  [29:47] Of their hearts he got went okay if that's how you want to live that's how you want to live you're outside of. Of of us I'm not gonna. You know stop you I'm not going to punish you I'm giving you over to it and I'm walking away which is in and of itself a form of Grace. And hopefully those people that Paul wrote about in Romans. Turned away from that later and came back out of those temples to worship again and found actual Christianity as opposed to. The Fluffy, following the masses that happened at the very beginning of Christianity because lots of people were saved and so some people just follow to follow not that that happens today and large, churches are congregations that people just follow to follow and don't actually have any.  [30:48] Deep-seated actual belief.  [30:54] That's sarcasm by the way but we'll get there and so the next one I want to look at here is First Corinthians 6:12 in the csb which is where most of these, of course where most of my verses come from except when I start looking at. The Greek and Hebrew I use the KJV Plus for that for strong screen coordinates so with in First Corinthians 6:12 everything is permissible for me but not everything is beneficial everything is / Everything is permissible for me but I will not Mast be Mastered by anything food is for the stomach and the stomach for food and God will do away with both of them, however the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord and the lord of the body God rape God raised up the Lord and will also raise us by his power.  [31:50] In that one of the aspects again we're talking about.  [31:56] Anything is permissible but not anything is beneficial you know this is often stated. Where we talk about Sin is imperfection sin is not. Again a list of rules of hey if you break any of these your sinner know we are sinners because we're not perfect the word sin originally was, and is depending on which there's two two times it's used in the New Testament but the majority of them are the an Archer missing the the center point every single time they fire an arrow and if you miss that Mark that's where that word sinner comes from which none of us are perfect so inherently we are, Sinners Perfection does not have to do with breaking a list of rules Perfection has to do with being perfect all the time I physically can't be perfect because my body isn't perfect so if I miss a step if I technically all those things if you, you know if you feel it is it might be a sin so in that we have to look at those types of aspects.  [33:25] Roman no that's that's the wrong area Romans 8.  [33:33] I didn't copy the verse just to put into the place so that way it's easy, so for people who want to look at it in twitch who view it into which later so Romans 8:1 and to therefore there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus because the law of the. In Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death, and again that goes back to that same thing you here Paul talked about over and over again is that you know Jesus completed freed us from the restraints and the guardrails that the law set up um but in it, you can't just go Buckwild because there are consequences not everything is healthy for us the next thing. I want to look at is.  [34:26] Timothy 1 verses 12 through 16. And I messed this one up in my notes so I change it and put it here correct okay there we go and one of the reasons for the reason of bringing this one up. Um is. A lot of people will point to Paul and say look you know it's different because he.  [35:03] He worked so hard on he worked out his salvation with fear and trembling so at the point where he's writing this about being free from sin and being you know a good person it's because he's so good and.  [35:17] You know so I want to kind of look at this passage here in Timothy Timothy 1:12 is I give thanks to Christ Jesus our lord who has strengthened me because he considered me faithful appointing me to Ministry even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor and an arrogant man but I received Mercy because I acted.  [35:38] Because I acted out of ignorance in unbelief and the grace of our Lord overflowed allowing the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus this saying is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance Jesus Christ came into the world to save Sinners and I am, the worst of them but I received Mercy for this reason so that in me the worst of them Christ Jesus could demonstrate his extraordinary patience as an example to those who would believe in him for eternal life so. If you want to point to biblical figures and be like well it's different biblical figures they were they were they were better than us they were they were Saints they were holy they were, Paul didn't think he was you know he's riding you know hey, I'm the worst at this like I mess up, and so when you look at it you're like uh if he's the worst. First off he hasn't met anyone in the modern error but it's not that aspect of.  [36:55] Of I'm better I'm above sin so I'm saying this it's look I understand Sin is Sin we make mistakes we're not perfect we're broken creatures that, are trying and but Jesus came for all of us. So the next thing I want to say is something out of the concern for the church as a whole. And that's the capital c church not just us us as bereans here meeting and then us as. The big church in Colossians.  [37:38] I lost my reference third is Colossians 2:8 be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition based on elements of this world. Rather than Christ the reason I want to bring this up is so often we as an overall Church become. We take the scriptures out of context to force people. Without any study as as Paul says in Acts 17. That we should be studying the scriptures when someone teaches us something and that's where we get the Berean the aspects of the bereans from which we've touched on a lot of time so I'll just throw the reference there and let you guys look at it.  [38:28] So often were like oh well the church said this my pastor said blah my teacher said this where I grew up this is what was taught this is what I've not. I heard this from someone I studied it I researched, as much as I could as much of my understanding I went to the Holy Spirit I took in Godly counsel I've looked at and I feel this is how I should live this is how, should be we just take these rules and extra stuff that's written. By the church not individuals and go yes, rubber stamp must be correct because someone in Authority said it and that's where we've gotten into so many of these issues that we deal with in today's society of we've had thousand two thousand years now of rule after Rule and person after person changing them writing them being confused by them not actually studying them but yet being in leadership and making these types of of rules and then us not listening and not trying to. Figure it out for ourselves as well just taking everything stated in blind faith faith is important Blind Faith is dangerous and that's a big difference.  [39:56] And you know in talking about all of this I'm not saying sin is no longer. I'm not saying sin doesn't exist because we aren't perfect, what I am saying is that we so often expect people including ourselves as Phoenix pointed out above, we expect other people in ourselves to be this weird version of perfect before we come to Christ or immediately after we came to Christ oh I'm a Christian I have to be perfect now. Or oh that person, you have to get better before you can come to Christ I don't want that person in my church because they're not exactly what I feel is correct and I need them to be correct before they can come in, I need you know once you've gotten saved congratulations tomorrow you should be a completely different person with no struggles and if you have any struggles it's because you're broken and and you've done something terrible. It's a process to be christ-like to learn to walk that line.  [41:09] We Christ came to us while we were Sinners salvation doesn't make us perfect we have struggles imperfections that sin is.  [41:19] Anyone who knows me for very long well no two of mine are our I tend to be kind of angry and I'm super Petty and we as a Capital C Church need to get better. At being christ-like and loving people and helping them see Jesus instead of judging them and pushing them away as the Pharisees did as Phoenix said I wish it was easy that the moment you accepted Christ in the moment you you magically became this good person, because if that was the case it be really really easy to find all these false people that we have toting Christianity and hurting the. The Optics of our faith of people who are all Christians are bad because blah, and if we would love like we're commanded to, this wouldn't be happening but so often we're not we're not doing what we're commanded to do that summed up, in love you know all the Commandments can be summed up with love your neighbor stopped being.  [42:37] I mean to each other okay we have to love each other we have to help build ourselves. Meaning ourselves the group together and and working towards being better humans. And and that's what I have for tonight. That Sin is Sin doesn't matter what Leviticus says and we have to work towards being better at love. So I'm going to kind of sit here for a moment and kind of a see if anyone has anything else in chat because there's a little bit of a delay sometimes in that, just to see if there's anything else we want to touch on before we fully close out for the night. But I mean that's really what I wanted to make sure we went over as we're looking at these aspects of Christianity that. View our are foundational importance yeah love God love yourself love others.  [43:46] It's not easy but it's what we have to do so. For all of those out there that are listening that didn't join us live tonight or weren't able to for various reasons we would love it if you joined us this podcast is recorded live on Sunday nights, at 6:30 central time Sunday evenings on Twitch goes out to Twitch Facebook and YouTube. Twitch being my personal main platform as Pastor newms the others are for the church specifically you can join us be part of the conversation as Phoenix and zaidi and groggy did tonight and Biggs normally does even though he's out and you know. We could all be part of the conversation together to again as I stated work on this together and work for words together being bereans and studying the scriptures not just accepting what, someone tells us is the truth. And so in that I hope that you can check us out on EKK.HOUSE is our website it will show you which twitch which Facebook which YouTube to find all of our stuff on.  [45:08] And so I hope that we will see you there I want to tell you guys we love you no matter what and that. I hope you guys are safe and until we talk next time.  [45:29] We love you and hope you're safe say it again.

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S3Ep84 - Tipping? I Thought That Was For The Cows...

[0:00] Hello and welcome.

[0:07] to the Berean Manifesto season 3 episode 84.

[0:20] I just wanted to touch base you know it's our weekly podcast as well as our live recording hello Zadie welcome in.

[0:33] Just finished the countdown and you know so now is the time when we usually would.

[0:42] Look at the fact of what's going on with everyone's week, and those kind of things the week my week has been a little crazy my girls were in Arizona, my my for the last couple weeks and on the way home right outside of.

[1:07] Memphis they were, hits by a car that was didn't stop when they did, and so our week has gone a little, crazy you know everything was kind of getting ready for them to be home and then. That into the last couple of days has been just kind of trying to take care of all of that the car is pretty bad the back is the girls are safe but it definitely changed all of our weeks and you know reminded everyone how reminded us how important, just life in general is and how quickly things can go sideways and so You know I wanted to start off just kind of talking about how.

[2:11] We've got to love on each other and and be lovey because of that.

[2:18] So that was kind of my week. My Week was a little bit crazy we've got to take the car to the shop tomorrow luckily it was you know zaidi.

[2:32] Physically zadie in the girls are fine emotionally they're still dealing with some stuff they're not sleeping super well having some nightmares and stuff so but overall they're safe and. You know she did the right thing and stopping and didn't hit the person in front of her and so you know she did great.

[2:58] Yeah so that's kind of. What's going on in our lives at the moment it's a little crazy I didn't.

[3:10] I didn't do a whole lot outside of work this week just kind of. Hanging out because waiting on you know you get excited that they're coming home and then after that it was the whole aspect of. Dealing with that over the last couple of days so that's been interesting experience Sue that's kind of how my week, as you can see it's just me pastor newms Pastor Bill is still on sabbatical, and so we're continuing with the series that we kind of started about. Living you know Christian Life aspect side of things that we started back a couple episodes ago but before we get into that will do the part of my. The part of the stream that I don't like but I'm continuing to do anyway. Which is getting to know the pastor's. The question is what is something that you forgot once that you will more than likely never forget again.

[4:35] And to be honest the answer to that question is nothing and the reason I say that is.I forget my own birthday I forget how old I am I forget my own allergies.

[4:56] And will do things that are detrimental to myself like sit in a car for multiple hours with the top down even though the sun burns me very quickly, or touching plants when they make me break out without even thinking, so because of that I'm answering nothing because even to my own deficit. I'm going to say nothing now something I just remembered that a lot of dudes forget, so a lot of dudes forget their anniversary my anniversary was yesterday means 80 have been married 11 years I did not forget that necessarily this time even though life was crazy. Hey Grayson. Sorry yeah I forgot to put gas in the car.

[6:01] The other week I forgot about that that was this week to yeah I actually ran out of gas on the side of the road this week because I was like oh we're fine we got plenty of gas and and then, vI didn't have plenty of gas yeah so there is nothing that is that is beyond me, forgetting forgetfulness is I'm real good at that. So yeah that's going to be the answer for this week is everything so. Looking at that now we've got.

[6:47] Trying is trying to think if we want to talk about anything else before we get into the topic for the day I don't think so I think we're just going to jump right into the topic so the topic for today for those of you who are you know. Either it's written down below or on the sides are on top or if you're listening to the podcast that comes out, it's of course you know right there with the transcript of me babbling under it but the title for today is tipping.

[7:20] I thought that was for the cows now the reason I say that is we all know. Cow tipping I'm in the South cows get tipped it's one of them things but.

[7:36] As Christians, as modern Christians trying to spread faith hope and love and especially love because that's the one of the most important of those three because without it don't really have the other two, without love Jesus wouldn't have God would have sent Jesus etc etc without love no one come you know love is important, and With Love Comes the reason why we should tip our waitresses tip people tip. Situations especially here in America now I know in some countries tipping is a lot different so far International people. This this might not resonate in the same way because it's a little different in some countries but. Here tipping is important and. You know a lot of people are like well yeah I mean you should tip because you know it's nice and it's what we should do but it really goes, beyond that.

[8:48] We should be tipping for multiple reasons you know one of which is we should be doing it too. Show love you know there are people who I used to work in the restaurant industry, and there were some we delivered pizzas at the particular place where I worked, and we would go to deliver and there were people who wouldn't want to take the deliveries to churches because they was 2040. Pizzas you know it's a it's an hour long delivery and they wouldn't tip it all but yet you've got to take the pieces all the way into the building you're carrying multiple loads it's a whole car full and at the end, no tip and as a delivery driver you're making a couple dollars an hour and you depending on the company you get paid a gas differential, not for the time that you're walking around and having to carry those pieces in and having to take care and give good customer service now I know that's one example and not every example is the same but in that.

[9:59] You had people who were like I don't want to go to a church because if you go to a church they don't tip and then you hear from a lot of restaurant people I've not worked at a restaurant from as far as I can sit down restaurant but a lot of people, talk about how, the church crowd after Sunday don't tip as well and some people go so far as to do things like as Christians they'll say well I don't tip because the only person I give 10% to is God, I'm paying for my food I'm leaving and then or they'll leave like the track that looks like money but isn't that one is that one is not.

[10:39] Cool you tip. And show the love of God you don't just you know oh well you know you need Jesus that's my tip for you it doesn't work, and you know I can say this as someone who, I worked in those Industries and someone who's done things like that but the more important thing that we should look at is you know, is it scriptural here its brand Manifesto you know it's that whole thing of self-study you know it's not someone just telling all of us what to think it's us coming together and working through aspects like the bereans so, let's look at some verses that have to do with tipping. Or being generous because that is one in the same now I could go for the stereotypical you know what you've done for the least of these you've done for me, that people, equate to hey we got to do stuff for people to help them out but I'm going to gloss over that one because it's. To me at least low-hanging fruit and so. I want to look at first thing we're going to look at here is Proverbs 11:25. And.

[12:09] I have messed up my screens as doing this recording and have lost proverbs.

[12:17] In doing so which is fun right here we go Proverbs 11.

[12:36] What type of energy out here Proverbs 11:25 so. A generous person will be enriched and the one who gives a drink of water will receive Ron. People will curse anyone who Hoards grain but a blessing will come to the one who sells it so.

[13:00] You know one of those aspects of looking at that is you know people are like well you know that means you know generous in nature that means you know sell at the right price that means. Working through you know hey we should be generous people not just you here preached often you know be a generous Giver give generously to the church but.

[13:34] This also applies, and applies more in my opinion to we should be giving generously when we can to our up to the people around us you know we have if you have the ability. To do so you should be giving. Generously and tipping is one of the ways of doing that so the second place I want to go is 2nd Corinthians nine.

[14:08] We're going to look at verse 6 and verse 11 and probably just. I did that wrong verse 11 and then we're going to look around it as well because of course we're not going to just take the verses.

[14:22] Out of their contacts we want to look at them as a whole so this is Paul writing to the Corinthians. And part of what this passage is about is when he is.

[14:44] Preaching he doesn't want to ask for, and offering while he's there he he says hey you should prepare in advance basically I'm going to charge a fee so that way it's ready as a gift and not as an extortion I don't want you to feel like you have to do, and he says the point is this the person who shows sparingly will also reap sparingly and he who sows generously will also reap generously, each person should do what he has decided in his heart not reluctantly or out of compulsion since God loves a cheerful cheerful Giver. And then we get down to verse 11 you'll be enriched in every way for all generosity which includes Thanksgiving to God which produces Thanksgiving to God through us so, the connotation of sorry the diction of it is he's talking about giving to a church and that we should be generous in doing so and that we should be that aspect but. When you when you look at it from the standpoint of.

[16:00] Just money in general we should be generous in what we can do and so that that aspect of. You know well I paid for it I and then I moved on. You know but we should be generously giving to those people especially people who are serving us people who are taking care of us people are because a lot of our servers and stuff our don't have the means to make.

[16:34] Their ends meet if they're not tipped because of the way America is has set up our economy aware around, serving around people who are servers and such and so because of that we really should be making sure, and you know this even goes back to the Old Testament as well the Old Testament has rules that are written for how we should. Pay workers and. I find it interesting because oftentimes I think we love is as Christians and as people to pick and choose what we follow out of the Old Testament and how we follow. In the New Testament and we decide what we're going to to read and follow and and I think this is one of those situations where we. Either miss it skip over it aren't taught it situations like that because to be honest when I started looking I had missed this and didn't know didn't even think about from a standpoint of. Wages in this way.

[18:02] But so we're going to start in Jeremiah Jeremiah 22. Boom boom boom Jeremiah 22.

[18:28] Sorry 22:13 typing in chat so people can have it for looking it up as we're going through this for those of you who are alive and not getting it recorded the prophet, Jeremiah says. Whoa for the one who builds his Palace through unrighteousness his upstairs rooms through Injustice who makes his neighbor's serve without pay and will not give him his wages, and then who says I will build myself a massive Palace for spacious rooms he will cut windows in it and it will be paired with cedar and painted bright red, when you look at it Jeremiah goes so far not to just say hey we shouldn't do it woe to the person who does because.

[19:24] We are in especially in the American society. Not tipping creates not paying wages some of our servers. Are making literal like you know 23 depends on the state depends on other situations dollars an hour without those tips and, for us to withhold that from them and say things like well I don't tip because I give to God. That is wrong because you should be doing both if you're going to do something.

[20:05] Because you're taking wages from people and. Not being generous and so then I'm going to skip to everyone's favorite book of the Bible because it is such a lovely.

[20:24] Inspiring. Joking I love the book but you know it is often used interestingly which is Leviticus and then if we look at 19:13. Do not oppress your neighbors. Or Rob him the wages due to a hired worker must be must not remain with you until morning and it's a equated in a similar time period. Diverse directly before it is do not swear falsely by my name profaning the name of God I am the Lord right before that is do not steal do not act deceptively. Right after that is do not curse the deaf or put stumbling blocks in front of the blind so. I mean in this list of rules that we have.

[21:26] It's stuck in here around some real important aspects. And so I think we really have to pay attention to it of you know now granted. One could say well tipping isn't required and so I'm not holding back wages from a person. Which is a technicality of being true but. Again then we go back to the generosity of God and the knowing people and knowing what they truly are making and knowing that it's expected in this country because the way we set our wages up, we should be doing it it's something that should be being done.

[22:24] And to me Christians not supporting others is a failure of what we believe and whom Jesus was you know Jesus. Was always trying to take care of the poor the sick the, the people who were rejected the people who were outside of society you know situations like that so to hold back something from a group of people, just because they are a lower class or because they are a working class and that's how you feel there's a hardcore quotation marks I'm not saying that they are lower than I or anything like that I'm saying, that's a mindset some people have not the capital c Church, overall but there's a lot of situations where that is how people feel. That we are portraying and I think often. How people view US impacts so greatly especially in the.

[23:35] Tumultuous climate that we are currently living. And Biggs makes a valid point that I wasn't necessarily going to say, but I agree with wholeheartedly which is if you can't afford to, you shouldn't be going out to eat you know you should be looking okay can I afford to go out to eat part of that is. The tip you should be considering that so thank you Biggs for saying that because I was trying to not go with that cliche but. Fully wholeheartedly believe it and for those of you out there who don't know. Biggs is my father and so a lot of, this thought process of when I found out that there are people who are like oh I don't I don't tip why would I tip a waitress you know I only give money to God or I'm going out on Sundays and you know except your eccentric cetera my favorite other people who are like why do you work, you know asking a server why do you work on Sundays you should be celebrating the Sabbath well why did you come out to eat today, because judging someone on when they choose their Sabbath you know we discussed that. I want to see it was last week feels like forever ago.

[25:01] But we shouldn't be judging people on their abilities and and that's one of those aspects if you can't afford to tip you probably shouldn't go out to eat now I know there are some extenuating circumstances around where that could or could not. Be true but as a rule of thumb that is. Something we should follow I could see some situations because I'm of course a negative person who finds fault in everything.

[25:29] You know there are some situations where I actually delivered a pizza one time to someone who, borrowed the money to pick up the pizza because she had ran away from an abusive spouse you know and of course, no one's going to hold that person against for not tipping so we're not we're not getting into that of hey there's a legalistic aspect of you know neither I or Biggs or anybody here is trying to say something like that of of that type of legalism because of course that's not, something we endorse here at the Collegian housing on the podcast here on the pre Manifesto is you know legalism doesn't make sense, everything should be being done out of kindness and love not. Just because you're supposed to and that's part of that aspect of generosity is. Just because you do something doesn't mean you've done it in the right way there are those people who are like I tip 13 and a half percent, because you're supposed to and you have to and and that's good that they're doing it, because it needs to be done but we should be giving generously of the thought process of I'm tipping, it's the right thing to do and I love the person and I don't want to injure or harm or cause anything, to the person the aspects that we should be.

[26:56] Looking at is our motivations and are we doing things for the right reasons which a lot of times.

[27:08] You know it shouldn't be a begrudging oh I have to tip again they put a tip line I have to tip you know it should be like ooh a tip line cool I mean bless this person let me help this person let me you know this is this is something I get to do it shouldn't be of this is something I have to do. And that's that graciousness gracious giving is not you know. Doing it because you have to it's doing it because you want to.

[27:37] And so that's really what I wanted to discuss tonight this tipping there's no valid like there's no situation in life that's come up that caused me to want to talk about this. This is just kind of working through some of those aspects like I mentioned a couple of weeks ago working through some aspects that I believe is imperative to the Christian Life and I just want to, you know do the Siri do this series and get them out there while I have this opportunity because, there's always a joke with me and Pastor Bill or hear that Pastor bills the big face and on the little face in the corner so since I'm the big face almost say whatever I want, so unless chat has something they would like to ask or speak on or elaborate or have any questions that's really what I wanted to touch on I know most people in my family including my children it's actually really cute not to toot. Mine and my wife's horn but I'm going to one of my daughters I said something about. Tipping today because I don't know I can't remember whether it was my wife's 80 or my sister Phoenix.

[29:00] I asked but one of them was like hey what are we talking about tonight and then we started talking about you know tipping over all and some of the points I was going to make tonight.

[29:10] My daughter goes yeah I bought something at a restaurant and it was one of those walk-up places and I made sure to leave two dollars because I didn't know if that was the right amount but I had to leave two dollars because it's what I had and just two dollars and I was like good on you you know so she didn't know if she tipped the right amount, which isn't the important part the math isn't what's important the actions are what's important and to her she knew hey you got to tip people, and I thought that was really cool that she put those two together even in you know. They're they're not even teenagers yet and they know. I'm watching their grandparents and watching us and watching Phoenix and watching other people in their lives they know. And so that's really this one's a little shorter than some of our others because there's not a lot of competing. Thought processes are deep theological aspects to this it's really just hey you should be tipping people. When you can because it's the right thing to do to show that generosity as Christians we have to love and we have to.

[30:38] Pay things forward to others so that's really all I have for tonight I noticed like I said this is a little shorter. A lot going on this week so I did not also take more than than some of the stuff I had done before this weekend so. I just want to you know we love you guys anyone out there listening we would hope you join us this podcast of course comes out on Wednesdays at 7 and. We record it live every Sunday on Twitch YouTube and Facebook. And if you want to join us be part of the conversation like Biggs was like zadie was, like Phoenix was in and even Grayson gave us a shout out tonight thank you Grace and if you're still here for that and, you know we're here to build a community and do this walking through together it's not, me just being here in speaking or Pastor Bill just speaking it's never what we want it not with the Ephesian house is about and definitely not what the podcast is about and so if you want to join us live we record it Sunday nights at 6:30 Central.

[32:02] Standard daylight whatever time it is currently in this country because I can't remember what we call it now again see the beginning of the broadcast I can't remember things well whatever the abbreviation is it 6:30 Sunday nights that we record this and feel free to join us if you go to our website EK K dot house that's where you're going to figure out which twitch which, Facebook which YouTube it's posted on and you can of course join us Fiat which I will this week since my girls are home and everything is a little more right with the world try to be streaming some this week, on the twitch as well with gaming with the pastor's which is at the moment gaming with the pastor but hey it's still fun. Probably going to be playing some games and stuff they're so join us, and we can have some fun and I hope that you guys all have a great week and you're safe out there we love you and we will talk with you next time.

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Transcript Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 83 the Berean Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian. I'm pastor Newms. And again this week we are not joined by Pastor Bill but we will continue forward at this time, why are you still on sabbatical thank you the best so, I have to say it's weird we have for those of you who don't join us live, we have a countdown video for five minutes the kind of gives time everyone time to log in and get settled and etc etc before we get started with the live stream and. It's funny because in modern business nowadays because of. You know so many people work from home all this kind of stuff so many of our meetings in business is the same thing where you're like okay we're give everyone just a few minutes to join us as you say that two or three times before you actually get the meeting started and, it really struck me as odd this week as I was doing it too. I realized the similarities between those two things this morning. As I means that this evening as we were going through that.

So I hope everyone had a good week I had a good week it was pretty fun got a lot done at work and then I. Played a lot of Pokemon and I did a big thing. That is the first time I've ever done it I did a living Dex for the ones in the actual decks for. Pokemon sword and shield so the 400 Pokemon for. The main decks and then the hundred and. Sorry 210 for each of the two expansions. And for the expansions even though I called it a living Dex I didn't do everyone, if they were in the original living decks so the only Pokemon from the base of the game that I don't have is rude which is a special Pokémon you can only get for an eventand so because of that I don't have them and that the frustrating but it's okay the. And then there's a bunch of legendaries they added that aren't part of the proper Dex but they're just obtainable from the National dex and don't have all of those it was just fun to finally for the first game ever actually complete the decks and while completing the decks actually having all of the Pokémon so that was a lot of fun I finished that actually this afternoon with mr. groggy or the bests help, he uses the best when he doesn't want me to sing the my little groggy song I'm going to be honest I think that's honestly why he does it but that's okay we love him anyway and he's in my phone as my little groggy so it's perfectly fine he can call himself he would like I did, get burned by the sun you can't tell very well. On on the stream because you know my camera actually does a lot of balancing of tones it's actually super dark in my office which is really nice but you can tell a lot on my head. And it is burned and I'm trying very hard not to freak out with the cloth band that actually is touching the top of my head right now and I'm trying really hard not to fidget with it the whole time because it hurts lift my sleeves. You can't see the red though without I mean you can't really there's no good way to. I mean you can tell you just can't tell. But yeah so it's definitely there it's definitely hurts. So yeah that was kind of how my week went and the reason. I got the wonderful heat on my skin was the wonderful best. Offered to let me ride from a little Lego event that we were at with Phoenix. Back home in his car with top down and I have not ever been top down sports car Highway. Writing not saying anything else about that y'all can glean from that whatever you would like as far as. Speeds or recklessness or danger because none of that happened of course because we wouldn't do those types of things and so we did we drove we drove to the house about an hour and a half. Hour 15 minutes or so because we hit some traffic with the top down and I got home and we was fine, and he was like it's I'm so glad you didn't get any burn everyone talks about how easily you burn and you didn't and then throughout the course of the night I just got redder and redder. And that's why he's apologizing because the best feels bad that he got me sunburned which he did not because it was my choice to be in the car you do not drive like a maniac I am just simply saying, it was it was quick there's you accelerate very well and have very good control of your car but it is much different than being in these small cars 4 cylinders and then SUVs that I have driven in the past. That get-up-and-go was a whole lot different so.That being said that was my week it was good I hope you all had great weeks as well Happy Father's Day for everyone out there who is a father my father is actually in the other room because he and Phoenix did a Lego Stream this afternoon together for Father's Day  All right this question is what particular historical document or portion thereof, do you think every American should know by heart. I mean there's a lot that I can answer with this question I feel that we should. Definitely know our history a lot more as far as historical documents. I think everyone should at least understand and know the Declaration of Independence and you know the Articles and the Amendments that are there. Because it's important to learn from our past. But then on the same token from historical aspect I also think we should understand what. Some of the documents that led up to that and what helps us make those decisions and, I just think we should know more about our history overall because we don't and often we are doomed to repeat and are in the process of repeating some of our, issues from the past because we don't learn from them so that's that's that that process is what I got. Does anyone else have anything they would like to say as far as documents are such and And Biggs I will agree fiberglass car with a big engine definitely goes and thank you the best for saying Happy Father's Day all right so let's go ahead and dive into it tonight, tonight you will notice if you have looked down or around or you're listening and so it's written somewhere you'll notice this one is called. I feel like I yeah okay I wrote down a different title than what I put in all of the, I change it at the last minute and didn't update my notes my bad is why all the fighting so. What I really wanted to discuss tonight it's something we've touched on in the Berean Manifesto many times in the past. But I kind of wanted to dig into it again as we're starting this journey through some of. My thought processes in my. Belief system and what orchestrates it not that we don't do that when Pastor Bill is leading but these are more you know. Fully me as opposed to me supporting and me uplifting and me, being part of the conversation this is just my conversation. So I wanted to talk about the why all the fighting so you know we as a culture as humans as people we really like to fight, arguing is kind of in our nature to a certain degree because pride gets in the way and we have you know belief systems that are hard to challenge and we all have, you know bumping heads and difference of opinions and differences of belief and differences of knowledge and, an answer when all that comes together you end up you end up bumping heads with your fellow. In all situations your fellow people that live with you your your family units then your your governmental structures your co-workers your there's always discussions of how things should be done and what they should be done and. That is human you know exerting it's not just human it's animal as well you know exerting your belief system being the next aspect pushing towards that but inside the church, Capital C Church big church everybody we really should be focused on the unity and the building towards something more than the infighting because what's happened so often is we have so many splinters and so many we discuss beliefs and and come to an understanding and continue to work together as Christians despite slight differences that we create. These Jagged off shoots that then because I believe this you can't believe anything else because I feel that you can't. You know so we have all this. That that people discuss and so one of the first places we want to look tonight. And I'm just confirming it because I forgot one aspect. As I was speaking because you know sometimes we have that whole like you know where you're going and then all of a sudden you're like but I feel like I should also talk about this. One of the aspects that that I want to kind of look at is what's talked about in Romans 14 Romans 14. Is we're going to read a bunch I'm just I'm just going to say everyone's 14 here. As opposed to spelling out the exact versus so. When were we're talking about you know things that can cause divisiveness and splitting a lot of times it comes down to at least in the capital c Church it comes down to belief of sin or differences of how we worship so the first one I kind of want to look at is that the differences of sin and in Romans 14 you know this is all talking about judging other. Christian's not necessarily people outside of the faith but people inside so. It starts off Romans 14 1 accept anyone who is weak in faith but do not argue about disputed matters one person believes he may eat anything while one is who is weak eat only vegetables one who eats. Must not look down on he who does not eat and one who does not eat must not judge one who does because God has accepted it who are you to judge another's household, before the Lord he stands in Falls he will stand because the Lord is able to make him stand one person judges one day to be more important than another someone else judges every day to be the same Let each be fully convinced in his own mind whoever observes the day observed for the honor whoever eats eats for the Lord since he gives thanks to God and,  whoever does not eat it is to the Lord that he does not eat it and gives thanks to God for none of us lives for himself and no one dies for himself if we live we live for the Lord if we die we die for the Lord therefore neither we live or die we belong to the Lord Christ died and returned to life for this that he might be Lord over both the dead and the living but you why do you judge your brother or sister or you why do you despise your brother and sister for we all stand before the Judgment seat of God for as it is, for it is written as I live says the Lord every knee will bow to me every tongue will praise to God so then each of us. Is giving an account of himself to God and then it goes on to you know the one people hear about you know do not, judge one another don't put a stumbling block you know etc etc etc etc things that we you know. Kind of other things that along the same lines but different aspects like okay don't do this in front of you know don't go to a someone you know is struggling with drugs or alcohol with a bunch of drugs and alcohol and look at him if you're like it's fine you can do it too that's causing someone to stumble don't do that that's not what this is talking about this is talking about don't judge the person who does take a drink every now and then or who doesn't take a drink every now and then because that's a different belief then yours in this situation there's two big passages you can kind of notice him walking through with the Romans the first is the eating or not eating what he's talking about with that and what he's talking about with that is there was a meat market. And the meat that was served had been sacrificed or blessed or other, religious used in religious applications to another God and so because of that the, certain members of the Roman Church were like okay this has been blessed by another God don't touch it and then other people are like, but I'm praying over it and blessing it for our God doesn't matter what happened before and so there was some infighting about that. And you know Paul comes in and is like guys it's me who cares if you eat vegetables are you eat meat it doesn't matter what you do you know the important part is that we're all here under, God the second is the whole thing about observing the day. Which was talked about as the Sabbath and how some people were respected it in and followed it in different ways and so that's that whole aspect of you know does it really matter the day does it really matter the how you celebrate does it really matter you know he kind of tried to squash some of those aspects especially in. Some Modern churches you know some people celebrate Saturday as the Sabbath some people Sunday some people Monday you know depending on your religious belief of what the last day of the week is and what the day of rest should be or if you even, follow that or if you just have a Sabbath at some point or if you don't follow the Sabbath at all personally I think we all should follow the Sabbath because we need it for our own health that's the example that God set forth is that that whole aspect but I'm not going to judge someone because either they don't or they do it differently than me because that's when we run into this trouble and that's what causes the disunity, in so many of these situations we have so many of the church splinters in so many breakups and so many denominational Creations over small aspects and then we have, people pointing at the other groups and saying things like well they're not saved because they believe something different, they're not saved because this we are when none of these. Majority of these are not salvation aspects and we should not be judging how. Worship or how they you know which laws they decide to follow because God, God gives us the Holy Spirit and gives us convictions that are different person to person to person to person so we should never be judging each other based on you know stuff like this. Now I will say there are times. The chaotic newms is still here just so everyone knows there are times to debate when someone is, wrong in a church like for example. I personally believe in going to church super early on Sunday mornings so that way I can beat everyone else to lunch it's a very important tenets for me there is no reality and no basis and what I'm saying is completely sarcastic but I prefer to beat all the other churches to eat because I don't want to wait in line behind so me personally I believe we should get out on time and not have long Services because I get hungry easily, very irritable when I'm hungry so none of us want that so Jokes Aside.  Why are we fighting about it why are we fighting about little things that don't matter.In these types of situations so on that. Going from going forward to the next passage I would like to talk about is we're going to jump over to Ephesians Ephesians 4 1 through 16. I can't type all of a sudden so you got a Ephsians 412 16. And this is often used about Unity so far as to like in the csb the title of the whole passage is actually Unity. In the body of Christ so you know therefore I the prisoner of the Lord urge you to live worthy of the calling you have received with all humility and gentleness with patience bearing one another in love making every effort to keep the unity of the spirit through the bond of Peace there is one body and one spirit just as you were called to one hope for your calling one Lord One Faith one baptism one God and Father of all who is above all, and through all and in all now Grace was given to each of us according to the measure of God's of Christ's gift for it says when he ascended on high he took the captives, captive he gave gifts to the people but what does he ascended mean except that he also descended to lower parts of the Earth the one who descended is also the one who ascended to fill all things and he himself some apart he gave he gave some to be Apostles some prophets some evangelists and pastors some teachers equipping the Saints for the work of the ministry to build, the up the body of Christ until we all reach unity in the faith and the knowledge of God sons growing into maturity with the stature, measured by cars fullness then we will. Then we will no longer be little children tossed about by the waves and every wind of teaching by humans cunning with cleverness in the techniques of Deceit but speaking in truth let us grow in every way into him who is the head Christ for him the whole body fitted a knitted together, by every supporting ligament. Promotes the growth of body for building up itself in Love by the proper working of each individual part now as a lot there I usually don't read that much because I don't like reading out loud but you know the big things there to really call out. We are one body we've all been given the holy spirit all all Christians have been equipped with the Holy Spirit upon salvation and. We were all moving towards one place we serve one Lord we serve one God and Father you know the Grace has been given to each of us as he was needed you know. As we go forward with that he equipped us all for different purposes not everyone is supposed to be. A teacher not everyone is a preacher not everyone is a profit now everyone is you know. To have people working in every single thing some people have more. Giftings in certain areas but not everyone like I don't think I could ever stand up. And it'd be an evangelist in front of you know hundreds and hundreds of people and do the whole evangelism thing the traveling and the the preaching different places all the time and I don't think I could ever do that that's not. That I don't I don't feel that is my calling might be at some point I highly doubt it but could be you never know didn't think I'd be talking and teaching like this ever but you know it's got that whole pastor. Were down here at the moment so you know it works. But we're all given different things, and we're supposed to then work together as one body all of us working as ligaments ligaments move the muscles that we all push forward together to increase. And Advance the kingdom of to advance the the body of Christ to then bring. More people in and disciple them up to allow them to then also be, functioning members of the body not just pushing people towards. Um salvation and never discipling and helping build the people helping them find their gifts helping them we're supposed to making disciples of everyone not just preaching to get people saved it's supposed to be a discipleship to then get them plugged in and become a part of the body moving it Forward also and so it's that whole thing of. Everyone's giving a different part and if anyone is working outside of the body it hurts all of us and that's that idea of the capital c church when we have someone in the Christian faith who is operating. Outside of. Helping us move forward and hindering us and making us trip and fall or stumble or or not move forward correctly you know we have people who. Preach hate and preach you know. Preach that we should you know we've had people from the pulpit all of these people should be killed recently said you know a certain group of people should be this this group of people should be that we have we have these types of people and what they are doing is they're causing. Other people to then look at the capital c Church, as a whole and Christians as a whole and judging us by The Works of certain people and that's that whole thing about, if we're not United if we're not moving forward together in a correct State then that one offshoot causes an issue, um for those of you who don't know me super well. I have some physical issues I've got arthritis real bad for years and years and several other things and so my hand sorry for those that are in. Radio land. My three fingers of my hand on my right side all nicely sit together like a normal hand and then I have this pinky that got broken at one point down here at the knuckle and it's it's off by itself and does whatever it feels like, it doesn't you know I've got a consciously, move it over it doesn't sit where it's supposed to sit like a normal hand it doesn't you know it just it's like hey I'm hanging out way over there and that's what we get when we have someone who isn't You know working together we get we get we get a pinky that's that's acting crazy when you're like dude just just get in line. Just just come on work with us here and it's like nope if you like going over here you know and so that's what we end up getting when we have these people that. are not preaching faith hope love their preaching knowledge. I know everything I'm the best I decide what's going on and then. Hey you know you shouldn't be looking at scripture in the way that you know you should study it you should be listening to what I say. Believe me I'm in the Pulpit I'm the one who's right.  You know situations like that doesn't Lift us up and doesn't build our body and so. I know this is we have I'm going to beat this  this dead horse again here for a second but I want to jump over to 1st Corinthians where's my Corinthians 1st Corinthians 12. I just wrote first Corinthians 12 so we're starting at the top okay First Corinthians 12:1 geon's 12. So now concerning spiritual gifts brothers and sisters I do not want you to be unaware you know that you were pagans you used to be enticed and led astray by mute Idols so that whole thing about mute Idols one thing you think of is is a lot of people serve God's that don't speak to them and we have the Holy Spirit that is constantly speaking to us so that's what he's talking about there. Therefore I want you to know that no one Speaking by the spirit of God will say Jesus is cursed and no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit now there are different gifts but the Same Spirit there are different Ministries but the same lord and there are different activities but the same God produces each gift in each person a manifestation of the spirit is given to each person for the common Gert good to one is given the message of wisdom through the spirit to another message of knowledge by The Same Spirit to another the Faith by The Same Spirit to another Gifts of healing by The Same Spirit to another performing of Miracles to another prophecy to another distinguishing between spirits to another different kinds of tongues to another interpretation of tongues one in the same spirit is active in all of these Distributing to each person as he Wills so this is again that situation of we should be working together. Using the gifts we were given just because one person is given the gift of talking and one person is more introverted and so they prefer Prayer because that was the gift they were given their able to pray they have a yearning to pray they they love to to go to the throne you know and and lift up their prayers constantly to you know, everyone is built different and we all have to come together in that and move forward we can't. You know oh well I'm not as good as that person because I don't have their gift doesn't matter doesn't matter as long as you're not the pinky that's running off to the left. The right cuz it's my right hand running to the right and doing something that's against the body because no-one says. No one using the spirit of God says Jesus is cursed no one can say Jesus is Lord except for the holy spirit so don't be the person over here. Running with a false gospel or running with not even not saying everyone means, some of them were taught wrong some of them didn't do the study for themselves some people just believe what they were told and so they then are. Spewing the same belief system I won't call it garbage necessarily but I did use the word spewing so I mean. You can guess what I mean. Spewing the filth that they were taught and just regurgitating it over and over and over again as opposed to studying and digging in and figuring it out as opposed to just continuing a rhetoric to keep the same group of people they have around them satisfied, and I think that happens a lot where then you get a group of people together. They fractured from the mainstream or they are considering themselves the mainstream where they happen to have a mainstream belief system at the moment. And there then pushing that agenda louder than other people who are just quietly. Doing their thing and that's the thing that we have to stop as a Capital C church we have to stand up against Injustice we have to stand up against things that are wrong and and say so we shouldn't have people from the pulpit saying you know this whole group people should die or this people are wrong because of who they love or this person's wrong because of the color of their skin or this person's wrong because of the length of their hair or this person's wrong because they cut their hair once or this person's wrong because they wear, they wear nail polish everyday or this person's wrong because whatever the reason these are just ones that come to my mind. We're rejecting whole groups of people because we just don't like the way they look or the way they act and and then to say something you know. Detrimental from a Pulpit or from your leadership section we should be working together in love and together. Under the faith. and the hope you know we have faith that our belief system is accurate we that's faith if it goes from Faith to knowledge we don't have faith we have knowledge so we use our faith to believe that we're hearing from the Holy Spirit correctly we are we are. It doesn't contradict scripture so we're going with that. You know belief system and we have all these things going and so we walk in that Faith then and that's the key is walking in that faith and that leads me to kind of the last thing I wanted to. Discuss today which is. In Acts 17 and for those of you that have been here a long time really none of this is, new necessarily but reminders are always good as we walk through some of this and in Acts 17.And I somehow deleted my All right here we go, verse 10 is what we're going to start sorry about that as soon as it was night the brothers and sisters sent Paul and Silas away to Berea upon arrival they went to the synagogue of the Jews the people there were more noble than those in thessalonica and, we could read up to see why that's going to like it but you know not going to get into that at the moment. These people were more noble of character since they received the word with eagerness and examined the Scriptures Daily to see if things were so consequently many of them believed in including a number of prominent Greek women as well as men but when the Jews from thessalonica found out that Paul was in Berea they came causing the same issues upsetting the crowds. And the brothers and sisters immediately sent Paula way to stop the stop the issue and he moved on with his journeys I believe they went to. Athens next yes so. You know we are the Berean Manifesto that's the name of the the group you know our our podcast and we are the occlusion house and oftentimes people are like why Berean and. It comes from this section because the bereans Studied the Scriptures Daily they examined the Scriptures Daily to see if things were so so they would they would sit and they would listen to speakers they wouldn't just go that person's wrong. I don't like what they said ooh yeah yeah yeah yeah I agree with that person whichever side you're on. Whatever you thought they would then go back to the scriptures they would go back to what they had at the time. Study it and find to see if it was. Contradictory to see to make sure it didn't contradict and it didn't go against. What it was to help weed out false teachers and you know it's interesting because we as a culture as a Capital C Church in so many ways. I stopped doing that and got to a point where you would go to church listen to the preacher and I heard recently from a Pulpit you know. You should just listen to the your teachers and the people teaching you scriptures because they know what they're talking about and it's like but do they we should be examining at all times. What is being said and tempering it through the lens of. What does the scripture say what does the holy spirit guide you to believe, just because one person's belief system is a certain way doesn't mean someone else's belief system is wrong as we see and talked about in Romans 14. Sorry about that I have talked too long without getting a drink um so you know that's something that. We really have to look at as the capital c Church in Hazard groups of people that are moving forward we have to be one body we have to be United just because we disagree on something doesn't mean we should constantly be fighting about it I have belief systems that I hold that that my certain family members don't or. There are times mean Biggs or me and Phoenix you know get into discussions there are times mean means 80. Who is currently you know away on vacation get into it there are times where me and Pastor Bill it both on stream and and more off get into it about hey I don't agree with what you're saying and here's the reasons why here's the thought processes here's the discussions and come together on it but there are times sometimes you don't come together sometimes it's like well I just think that's okay well I don't okay well is this a Salvation aspect is this an aspect that. That affects our everyday lives or is this just a difference of belief and if it is a difference of belief we shouldn't be breaking up churches and organizations and bodies and such. For those situations we should be continuing to operate as one body of the capital c Church moving forward. So that's all I have that's men to my notes. Does anyone from chat have anything they would like to add to that while I look through and make sure I didn't miss anything. Do do do do for those out there to do do do do do do do okay so.

That's really what I wanted to discuss kind of, kind of looking at those types of aspects and you know I think we should all stop the fighting stop the infighting stop that stop the arguing with each other constantly and move towards a more unified body, and if you would like to continue doing that wink you can join us. Every Sunday night when this podcast is recorded if you want to join and be part of that discussion as we move forward. You can join us if you go to our website EKK.HOUSE it'll show on there where we do the live broadcast it goes out to my personal twitch as well as our YouTube and our Facebook that we have and we do those live here in chat as you heard me talking to chat and about chat throughout the evening you can come and be part of the discussion if you feel like something is weird or you feel like something is off or you you want to dig into something more. That can all be done through that or you can also reach out to us on our socials based on that but we would love for you to join us at 6:30 Central Standard Time this podcast then comes out every Wednesday at seven Central and I believe it came out correctly last week I forgot to check because I'm a bad host. But it should come out then and that's all I have and I hope you guys all have a great week and I hope you guys are safe out there and we love you.

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Hello and welcome, to season 3 episode 82 of the Berean Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Newms. If you notice, I am not joined by Pastor Bill. He is currently on sabbatical taking a break. That is much needed because he has been doing this straight through for a long time now so I sadly for the next couple of few weeks you have to put up with me, haha, anyway so getting right into it it's gonna be a little different than normal mainly because well there's not two voices and as well as, there is since there's not two voices it might be a little shorter also the normal so we'll see how that goes. And we will go from there so, normally we start off talking about my week are weeks my week was pretty good nothing eventful really my girls and, my wife, Zadiee are all out of town visiting my mother in law in Phoenix which is their grandparents and so they're out there having fun. Very funny Phoenix said it's she's leaving since it's just me but then she said she was just kidding so that's okay so sadly in the house currently, oddly not sadly oddly it is just me and Phoenix,  she's upstairs I'm downstairs and it is eerily quiet in this house with no children or Zadiee there's usually background noise from TVs or music, from Zaidee's you know kitchen area you know bedroom kitchen living room when she's doing stuff the girls are always making noise because you know children. And none of that is going on so this house is just, quiet and the animals don't like it that the girls aren't home, and so Kaiju are lovely 50 something pound puppy, not a puppy anymore but still. Is barking at a lot of things that she normally wouldn't because there's usually noise and she doesn't necessarily always hear everything else but in this case she is so.  There's a lot of that kind of Oddity going on right now. So yeah the week has been quite interesting. To say the least. And that's the wrong button.  And so it has been a little weird everything going on definitely but, It's been good I've been able to get, a lot of stuff done been able to catch up on some shows and such didn't do a lot of streaming. I'm we did give away last weekend was pride and we did not have a Podcast that week for that reason we were all extremely fatigued and tired after that it was a interesting day very good lots of good conversations we met a lot of people it was thoroughly enjoyable hopefully we might see some of those people start to join us on some of our events but we'll see but it was overall really good it was a lot of fun and so, during that event we had a giveaway for a monitor anyone who over the course of that weekend followed, my twitch. was putting a drawing we did that drawing yesterday and reached out to the winner and heard back from them but are waiting to get all the information we need back and forth so that way we can get that to them, but that's good and so that was you know the week the two weeks I have been very busy since our last update so it's pretty much how my weeks gone. So now comes the time of the night that I hate but I'm going to keep doing it because if I don't, I'll never do it again and so I'm going to do it anyway which is, getting to know the pastor's and we have these nice little cards that we have I'll be pulling the card this week because well.  I'll be pulling the cart this week. This question is disgusting but let's read it okay if you could stand at the Pinnacle of any natural object or man-made structure what would it be, so mmm so if I could stand anywhere. At the Pinnacle of an object safely so I have inner ear things and I don't do well with Heights I'm terrified of heights, so if I was going to stand on the Pinnacle of anything that has been built it would need to be built very small like you know an ant hill, some rocks that have a good, distance away from I like being on the top of mountains and looking out, but not down so that's really a hard question for me because I'm terrified of heights when you go to mountains I've been a couple places in Colorado. And things like that you know everyone wants to get up to the edge and hold on to the railing if there is one and look over and they're like ooh now that's not happening I don't I don't do that I don't like, the distance and the thought of because immediately my brain goes you're going to fall.  So I don't like I don't dig that I don't like it so that's my answer to that question I don't know if anyone in chat would like to jump in with their answer of what is the, thing the Pinnacle they would like to stand on and look around. But no one is saying anything so I don't think anyone wants to. Chime in normally there's more some of these questions are good and some of them are bad so that's okay, do do do give everyone a moment to Phoenix couldn't hear the question okay if you could stand on the Pinnacle of any man-made or natural. Monument thing where would it be peanut Cola pinochle. The Pinnacle of what sir you just said Pinnacle like that the point like like the very top like the top of the Eiffel Tower or the top of the Mount Everest and look out the top of the pyramid you know that the very top the Pinnacle of an object. And I know I know Biggs is like me he doesn't like heights so it's going to have to be a short like molehill. London Bridge now would you actually go to the very top of London Bridge on those little things and stand there and look out, or do you mean you would just like to be on London Bridge and look out because because I can't see you being at the very top and looking anywhere because you're afraid of heights too I know you is Big Big Bend with the doctor okay that would be say fish, not quite the question but okay and the what's his face oh that that's nice. The what's-his-face, you talk about Captain Jack are you talking about are you talking about Phoenix that you're calling what's-his-face one of the male companions. That's that's a little confusing that you just want to be on the top with what's-his-face yes I asked you several things and you answered yes I'm going to assume you mean Captain Jack which is very interesting for you to be wanting to hang out with Captain Jack because that man is a very interesting soul and doesn't really fit your aesthetic much but he's fun he's a fun guy he is funny he is very funny.  All right so I'm going to say we're warmed up. But we're not talking about Captain Jack we're talking about an object that we're standing on I don't disagree that hanging out with Captain Jack would be cool welcome groggy, but yes that's not quite what the question is that's you know. But that's okay, that's perfectly fine all right I don't even know if you were here for the question groggy or if you were just lurking over there but that's cool, and I just noticed so this is this is funny I'm a little dyslexic and Biggs is as well and I just noticed he did not type London Bridge he typed lunged London Bride. Which I read London Bridge and set it to all of you but I just realized Biggs wants to stand on top of the London bride which I'm not sure where that is but that would be cool. Phoenix's somewhere she can see monkeys and I would agree Phoenix likes monkeys so do I she built me this with Lego which is she gave me a monkey and she was like here's a monkey and I was like he needs a throne and so she, built me a throne for the monkey and I do like it it sits on my desk sits on my work desk which is of course right. Next to my personal desk anyway all right so we are warmed up nicely so the topic for tonight what I titled it was “What about a fish?” and the reason I titled it what about a fish is because we're going to be talking a lot, about Jonah and the thing about Jonah is the thing we all you always here touched on is Jonah got swallowed by a fish because he didn't believe he didn't obey and because he got swallowed and then he got spit out, you know we always hear about that little fish part most times we don't hear about the Deep why didn't he follow what was it about it, and how did it end after, fish because you know and then he obeyed is what we're always kind of taught his children and taught as in a lot of sermons and that's that kind of stuff and so kind of what I wanted to talk about was you no Second Chances what we have what we get and you know dive into Jonah some because Jonah such an interesting figure and in the story has actually very little to do with the fish. But, that's what we focus on a lot is Jonah and the big fish as opposed to just Jonah so we're going to start with I know this is going to be shocking, we're going to start with Jonah 1 1 through 4 I know starting at the beginning of a story is crazy but that's what we're going to do the word of the Lord came to Jonah son of. A middle get up go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it because they're evil has come up before me, Jonah got up and fled to. Tarshish from the Lord's presence so he just he just took off running the opposite not necessarily opposite but another Direction he went down to Joppa found a ship. Pay the fare and went into it to go with them to tarshish from the Lord's presence but the Lord through a great wind onto the sea a great storm arose and the Sea and the ship threatened to break apart, so this part we know you know Jonah. God tells you to do something Jonah's like piece and takes off running gets on a boat then gets caught. We're going to skip down to.   You know I'm going to summarize the rest of this chapter basically the men are like, okay Joan has a man of God let's ask him to pray to God to figure out what who's causing this Jonah's like and no because he was asleep they cast lots figured out it was Jonah, then they picked him up and threw him into the ocean. And because they were then scared they then offered a sacrifice to the Lord and made vows the Lord then, I grabbed the grab Jonah, grab the fish fish ate Jonah which probably wasn't a whale you know you always get those it's a whale whales are mammals not fish as well as the way the mouth structure is it had to be some kind of fish probably but that's beside the point It was a big fish like creature. Interestingly. Fish in this Hebrew word really means something that is squirming that is moved by Valve it. Ray Tori action of the tail so anything that is moving forward because of a, tail so it could have been you know they just classified fish kept it simple and he stayed there for three days three nights so. You know this is the part of the story most people know pretty out right you know we have Jonah gets swallowed. Any stuck there so then we go to Jonah 2 1 through 9 Jonah prayed to the, Lord his God from the belly of the fish I called to the Lord in my distress and he answered me I cried out for help from inside she'll you heard my voice you threw me into the depths Into the Heart of the Seas and the current overcame me, all of your Breakers and your Billows swept over me but I said I have been banished from your sight yet I will look once more toward your Holy Temple the water engulfed me up to the neck the depth overcame me the seaweed was wrapped around my head. I think to the foundations of the mountains and the Earth's Gates shut behind me then you raised my life from the pit Lord my God, as my life was fading away I remembered the Lord my prayer came to you to your Holy Temple those who cherish the worthless idols and abandoned their faithful love. But as for me I will sacrifice to you with a voice of Thanksgiving I will fulfill what I have vowed salvation Belongs to the Lord and then verse 10 the Lord commanded the fish and it vomited Jonah onto dry land. So you know. He gets stuck he stuck inside this fish and he starts being very repentant you know. You know I was about to die I was at the gates of sheol I'm sorry. You know I was watching seaweed you know all the things and thanking God for not letting him die in that situation and then you know. I'll do whatever you say I'll listen to your Commandments I'll do what I swear and then gets spit up on to the dry land. So and the other funny thing yeah I know the watching seaweed you know the seaweed was wrapping around my head I'm like. That's that's intense like that's some that's some that's some deepness right there I agree Phoenix and so. Then we're going to move on to Jonah 3 1 through 4 specifically but then we're going to touch a little more. The word of the Lord came to Jonah a second time get up go to the city of Nineveh and preach the message that I tell you so Jonah got up went to Nineveh according to the Lord's commandment Nineveh was an extremely Great City a three-day walk this is another thing that I love is that. Count it and just spit him up like super close either it was like you still got to walk aways because you didn't walk away as the first time. So then Jonah set out on the first day of his walk and proclaimed in 40 days Nineveh will be demolished and then we're going to continue on I'm going to summarize past this point, so when he gets to Nineveh.The people in the never became repentant tore their clothes sack sack cloth Don sack cloth through a great feast and then I mean declared a fast not through a feast opposite of what I said. When the word reached the king he did the same thing everyone animals and people were covered with sackcloth and they all called out and he commanded they turn away.Which then God saw their actions that they had turned from their evil ways and he relented from the disaster that he had threatened him with and he did not do it so, he saves him now this is the part of the story again we all pretty much know you know. God gave Jonah a really good second chance and Jonah took it. Now part of Jonah's story though that gets left out a lot is what happens in Jonah for.

Now. And Jonah for we start to find out some more of the details so if we look.For one Jonah was greatly displeased and became Furious and you're like wait. They repented and became good people like why would he be furious and then in verse 2 he says he prayed to the Lord please Lord, isn't this what I thought while I was still in my own country that's why I Fred fled toward Tarsus in the first place I knew you were gracious and compassionate slow to anger abounding in love one who relents from sending disaster and now Lord take my life for it is better for me to die than to live. And the Lord's asks is it right for you to be angry so, here's where we find out truly what was going on with Jonah and what his motivation was so it's not that Jonah just didn't want to do what the Lord said, mow I got the Lord came down it was like Jonah go do this and he's like I don't feel like it I'd rather go eat some pizza rolls. I just had pizza rolls for dinner by the way so you know shout out to pizza rolls. But that's not the reason the reason why Jonah was so, didn't want to go if he didn't like the people of Nineveh because the people of Nineveh were not good people they sacrificed to Idols they worshipped a fish God which is really funny that they worshipped a fish God and he got swallowed by a fish but you know the aspect of Jonah getting sorry derailed trapped with pizza rolls but they are amazing, the people of Nineveh were just bad they killed other people they like it big said they were going to war constantly you know they didn't, they weren't happy with the Jewish people so. The whole reason Jonah didn't want to go was not because he just didn't want to do what God asked it was the exact opposite he knew in doing what God asks they would repent and if they repented. They would be saved and he wanted them to be dead so you know it's this whole thing of, it's a step farther than just I don't feel like it he wanted them to die he didn't like them and so going there he knew, would bring about.

And so that's the whole reason why and then. Jonah become suicidal he's like just kill me I'm done this is exactly why I didn't want this I knew this is what would happen and now you've done what I knew you would do, and you're not going to kill them all even though you said you were going to because you're good God I love how he throws that in there like you're a good God here's all the reasons why you're a good God you're compassionate slow to anger abounding in love one who relents from sending disaster, but I'm upset about it and sometimes I definitely feel Jonah in that it's like. I don't want this person to succeed because they're mean and they're nasty in there whatever and it's like then they succeed in your like T I know I didn't want this yeah but. We have to do, what our roles are Jonah's role was to be a preacher to be someone who would spread the gospel and do such things so even though we don't want to we have to do what God's called us to do which, is ironic me saying this because I have over the years fought very hard against, the Lord to do certain things in life because I didn't want to take things on. And so him giving me you know it's like about Jonah tonight is very humorous as the first night that I'm leading the brand Manifesto that I know of I think I might have done it once because of technical issues and once because Bill was sick but this is truly like you know. And so I find it humorous that this is what God tells me to talk about I just now fully realize the humor of that but that's beside the point the the aspect of going over it though and seeing Jonas, Jonah gets upset when God does what Jonah knew God was going to do to the point then that he goes to another city sits down and is like okay I'm here to die God sends a plant Grows over him and he's like okay cool then God kills the plant using a worm the next day. And Jonah gets even matter like okay it's just time to die I'm angry enough to die and. One of the things the Lord says then, in verse 11 is sorry starting in verse 10 so the Lord said you cared about a plant which you did not labor over and did not grow it appeared in a night and perished in a night, but may I not care about the great city of Nineveh which has more than 120,000 people who cannot distinguish between their right and their left as well as many animals. So you know God basically looks at Jonah and his like okay you got mad about a plant you got mad about your feelings am I not supposed to care about these people and. You know so.  We're as God gave Jonah that second chance Jonah then backed off from it even and you know that's where the story ends for Jonah. As far as the book you know his story ends with God basically being like are you kidding me dude you need to you need to check yourself you've got a serious attitude problem. And and that's something that I definitely. I think that we all need to think about is you know God gives Second Chances God does forgive God does but there are consequences, for our actions there are things that happen because of decisions we've made and just because we do the right thing if we have a bad attitude about it, God still is gonna check you for it like why are you. You know why are you having a bad attitude doing the thing I asked you to do you know so often we're like fine I'll do it. How are fine I'll talk to that person or fine I'll I'll give the money you've told me to give you know etc etc etc when we're not doing it for the right reason. And the Lord knows that and that's where the conviction comes from a lot of times is. Our attitudes as well once we do obey is you know what is our attitude are we truly doing it for the right reason or are we doing it because we're supposed to. And so that's kind of what I kind of wanted to touch on and then I wanted to touch on. 1st John 2:1. My little children I'm writing you these things that you may not sin but if anyone does sin we have an advocate with the father. Jesus Christ the righteous one he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not only for ourselves but for of for those of the whole world this is how we know that we know him. If we keep his Commandments. This is that whole aspect of you know just because we are. In Christ and doing the right things doesn't necessarily mean, we're doing it for the right reasons all the time we should be the fruit of our spirit is how people should know you know keeping the commands as important as it says here. But it's it's important why and how we do it. and then I wanted to look at Romans 6 1 and 2 because often you hear people talk about Grace, so often we hear Grace Grace Grace Grace and Grace is extremely important without Grace none of us. Should continue existing and we're going to backup actually 25. And you know I'm going to kind of summarize this is. Sorry this is Paul talking to the Romans it's going through. That the law came according to multiply the trespasses but when Sining applied Grace multiplied even more so just as Sin reigned in death so also Grace will reign through righteousness resulting in eternal life,  so then we look at six and it says what should we then what should we say then, we continue in sin so that Grace May multiply absolutely not how can we who died to sin still live in it are you unaware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death therefore we were buried by with him by baptism into death in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the father so we too may walk in newness of life, and what's important there is the sacrifice you know. When we go on then to verse 6 for we know our old self was crucified with him so our body ruled by sand might not render powerless so we are May no longer be enslaved since a person who has died is freed from sin so we have this whole aspect of sin in this part of the story. Where you know Jonah does what he does gets upset. Continues to be upset afterwards God knows his heart knows why he's truly upset even before Jonah tells him. And in that we know then in the New Testament when we start looking at. Grace and second chances in such in the New Testament part of that aspect is that newness that we've been born into. You know when. Jesus died he died to cover all sin not just the sin before him not just a specific person the sin for the whole world he died for all of it and so when we.

Are raised with him that allows us to be freed from sin you know some so often we look it's in so many cultures look at sin as you know this set of rules that, if you break any of them you're going straight to hell and.  God gave Second Chances in the Old Testament and he continues to give Grace in the new, of Jesus sacrifice in the old it was because Jesus sacrifice was coming and so we had the type, the the foreshadowing through the killing of the sheep and the Lambs and you know excetera Etc doves depending on everything. And now we have just grace through belief through you know all of that aspect but we are. Those who are died are freed from sin because sin was a bondage put on us it was something that's that's in us it's something that, continues to haunt all of us and so we have to remember that we've died to sin and we live in Christ so we continue to try to be more christ-like in following the ways of Christ not just following, the set of rules that we have that we've been freed from in giving been giving that second chance.   So that's really all I had for tonight. If anyone has any questions or anyone has any statements since I'm the only Voice tonight, I would love to hear from people and then be able to speak to it but if not I'll give everyone a few minutes. To tell if someone out there is typing in Internet land while I get a drink yes. Okay so.That's really all I had for tonight and we are a little quicker than normal less warm up time means we're ending earlier about the same amount of time as talking but that's okay. So this podcast is being recorded live will be,put out to pod Bean which then goes out to all of the podcasting places Spotify Google Apple you know all the places where you can get your. Podcast with the transcription and the podcast you can hear it will come out on Wednesday night as long as I set everything up correctly I think I know how to do it all but we will see the.

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Pastor Bill: [0:02] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 79 of the broom Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always by Pastor newms, how are you Pastor newms Still Waters.

Pastor Newms: [0:20] What.

[0:27] The last time I shaved yes. So let's be clear I am not bald I am bald ding my hair is all up there I have to shave it I won't say all.

Pastor Bill: [0:43] So what happened is newms is a very intense person and at some point is hair went we are done holding on to this hair and just started dropping it.

Pastor Newms: [0:55] No it decided to just hang out just it just came off I have more hair on my chin.

Pastor Bill: [1:01] Hudson holding.

Pastor Newms: [1:13] No when would almost why would almost be for Pony sir.

Pastor Bill: [1:19] I don't know all right so how was your week.

Pastor Newms: [1:23] Not till we figure out what you're talking about with ponies.

Pastor Bill: [1:37] Your weakest ponies.

Pastor Newms: [1:38] Now my week was good I marked a lot off of my board this week which is always good you guys can't see my board except for yeah little tiny corner right, and sometimes if I move the camera just so you can see the little man that's drawn right here but you can't see him tonight so sorry I did take down some.

Pastor Bill: [1:57] No man for you.

Pastor Newms: [1:58] Some artwork my kids artwork that was here forever and put up a little Sunday Monday I can't ever I don't understand Direction Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday board.

Pastor Bill: [2:10] I know you don't you're the Navigator want to play games.

Pastor Newms: [2:14] So I can wipe my meeting times so that way the family when they comes into my office they're like oh meeting, and so my wife knows when my meetings are and so yeah my week was pretty good though work was good. Rain who occasionally joins us my daughter graduates 6th grade tomorrow so if you go to her graduation so that's going to be interesting but. Just busy how was your.

Pastor Bill: [3:02] My week was all right I got a new keyboard.

Pastor Newms: [3:05] Actually there's no more ch-ch-ch.

Pastor Bill: [3:08] There's no words to because I got red switches instead of blue or brown and so there's not a click halfway down it's just a spring-loaded switch with no, um response halfway on the push there is a slight when you let go of the key where the spring is going back into place you can hear the spring going back into place, um probably most people wouldn't be able to hear it but I can hear it every time I let go of a key I can hear the spring going back into place, which is fine it's not that big of a deal yeah so I got my new keyboard and it actually comes apart into two pieces.

Pastor Newms: [3:53] Its ergonomic.

Pastor Bill: [3:55] Its ergonomic but then it also comes apart.

Pastor Newms: [3:58] Ergonomically.

Pastor Bill: [3:59] Ergonomically so that for you know if you've got a big belly and you need more ergonomically space you then you can have more ergonomical space.

Pastor Newms: [4:09] Actually it has nothing to do with your belly and everything to do with where your shoulders actually, because people who have different shoulder sets you know your hands are naturally more, when you're typing then people who are slender shoulders so it's actually the broad identity of your shoulders not necessarily your belly.

Pastor Bill: [4:34] But using a traditional keyboard I was having to tuck my arms into my belly, to reach the keys to type and now with the ergonomic keyboard I slightly have to pull in my belly unless I separate the keyboard pieces and then I can just rest my arms naturally.

Pastor Newms: [4:49] Because because of how my flaps are I don't know what to call you know.

Pastor Bill: [4:56] Dude little earlier let's do this.

Pastor Newms: [4:59] I actually have to I have to do the same thing with one of my arms and pinch my body to type traditionally but I've done it for so many years it's weird I have my work keyboard is more, ergonomic and it's everything is at an angle, I used to have one that had like the full split in the middle and was actually like this and it's the most comfortable thing welcome Sadie.

Pastor Bill: [5:37] Daddy's here now on Twitch.

Pastor Newms: [5:39] So yeah.

Pastor Bill: [5:42] Alright so here's this week shirt we've got how many Sunday's do we have left before Pride just.

Pastor Newms: [5:49] One.

Pastor Bill: [5:52] Now we have two more sadness.

Pastor Newms: [5:55] To marchioness yeah too.

Pastor Bill: [5:56] 20 second then the 29th, and so two more Sunday's this is this week shirt it says known in the horizontal and then loved in the vertical and this making the shape of a cross known and loot.

Pastor Newms: [6:10] Phoenix says she hates it.

Pastor Bill: [6:14] Not my favorite so far that's fine.

Pastor Newms: [6:17] She says she says you look like garbage.

Pastor Bill: [6:19] She didn't say that she just said not her favorite. It takes different styles for different people so I'm a different styles of shirts so anyway this is this week shirt, and we will be at Pride on the 4th of June so if you're coming to Dallas Pride come and see us if you're not coming to Dallas Pride then, pray that God would give us favor and that the people that need to know God loves them would be there too much great it's a great shirt bigs, it's a gray shirt. But they would be there and we could, minister to them hug them love them let them know that not all Christians are.

[7:15] Probably unintentionally hopefully unintentionally hateful but that you know there is love God is love and we love them steak, all right so now it's time for getting another pastors and I have.

Pastor Newms: [7:34] Got a new deck.

Pastor Bill: [7:35] A new deck of a second edition interviewed.

Pastor Newms: [7:40] I have to agree with that red as the background would be would be pretty would be pretty good.

Pastor Bill: [7:48] I think they shirts come in I got like pink and. A bluish color this gray color I can't remember what L anyway all right there we go if you had a personal mascot, what would it be.

[8:26] I would imagine it would be something that you relate to pick up mascot based off of who you are not who you want to be.

Pastor Newms: [8:36] Yes I will agree with Biggs he is the Grande Osa so.

Pastor Bill: [8:41] Grande Ossa the big bar.

Pastor Newms: [8:44] Used to Big Bear the big bar.

Pastor Bill: [8:48] Oh so Grand a month yeah also is Spanish for Bear anyway.

Pastor Newms: [8:58] Grande Grande de I just him saying it wrong it's the right word I just don't even speak English right.

Pastor Bill: [9:05] Anywhere expert don't sprechen to nothing.

Pastor Newms: [9:08] I love I love, somewhat what time said something to me about you don't do well pronouncing words that aren't English look at the person who's like if you ever heard me speak normally like I don't pronounce English well homie like.

Pastor Bill: [9:24] I don't even do English welcome home.

Pastor Newms: [9:26] I don't do that well.

Pastor Bill: [9:29] But you're my first language.

Pastor Newms: [9:31] Yeah I have I have mad respect for anyone who speaks multiple languages because I can't speak one correctly.

Pastor Bill: [9:47] An animal mascot.

Pastor Newms: [9:49] So I would have to say if we're picking if we're picking an animal based on what we would want to be and something that would kind of shows are. I won't say core beliefs but our thought processes and things I would have to say a dragon just because I've always, I felt very connected to dragons and you know typically, their ideals for most Mythos is not all but most lineup pretty closely with mine but what do you think.

Pastor Bill: [10:40] I'm I think my mascots an armadillo.

Pastor Newms: [10:43] Armadillo can you explain why.

Pastor Bill: [10:49] Um I'm pretty guarded as far as letting people in it takes a lot of proving before, let you in at just like an armadillo but then once you've proven yourself I'm pretty sweet and loyal, and kind and then I got I can't before she was with my nails and and I can be if I have to be not have to be but if I'm pushed too hard I can you know open up a can of, leprosy on your butt.

Pastor Newms: [11:21] I I have to agree with with big.

Pastor Bill: [11:25] You want to see me roll up in a ball.

Pastor Newms: [11:27] See you roll up in a ball because what you just explained without the rolling up in a ball you as a possum.

Pastor Bill: [11:38] Possums don't carry leprosy.

Pastor Newms: [11:41] Opossums carry everything.

Pastor Bill: [11:43] And they're not sweet possums are not sweet.

Pastor Newms: [11:45] Yes they are they can be very good boys.

Pastor Bill: [11:47] Even when you get to be friendly with them they're still like.

Pastor Newms: [11:52] So is a cat have you met and younger.

Pastor Bill: [11:57] I didn't choose a cat.

Pastor Newms: [11:59] I'm just saying like saying you're mean so I'm.

Pastor Bill: [12:06] Honey why am I mean.

Pastor Newms: [12:09] You mean I would like to see you roll up in a ball though.

Pastor Bill: [12:13] Okay once you open them.

Pastor Newms: [12:24] Click the internet's new thing it's not do a flip it's roll up in a ball.

Pastor Bill: [12:27] It's roll up in a ball. Do the ball roll over the ball I'll see you ball.

Pastor Newms: [12:32] Do the ball do a ball thing.

Pastor Bill: [12:35] Do the ball fine I'm sorry the what the what what what are we what what is this trend what are we doing.

Pastor Newms: [12:42] We're going to need some clarification on this.

Pastor Bill: [12:44] Oh you know we're different we're dipping things in soy sauce.

Pastor Newms: [12:47] No we are not no we are not I did not participate in that and we'll probably never participate in that.

Pastor Bill: [12:57] Okay so tonight's episode is called.

[13:05] Bad Brains on YouTube says Ball but don't cry while you're there.

Pastor Newms: [13:10] Let's see I could take this two ways I could take this the way of balling is crying, funny punny way that y'all live your lives or I could take it as.

Pastor Bill: [13:25] We are pretty puntastic family.

Pastor Newms: [13:27] She could completely see you balled up and crying so I'm not sure how to take what she said but I'm going to I'm going to assume it was the puntastic Miss of just how you guys breathe. It's something.

Pastor Bill: [13:49] All right so tonight's episode is called still and so let's start in 325 ad. And newms you go ahead and tell the story from 325 ad.

Pastor Newms: [14:06] 325 ad let me think what could have happened in 325 ad um I think there was a council, so so it's funny for clarity for everyone who is listening that might not know this is my favorite story, probably from, all of church history this is one of my favorite stories and, Pastor Bill today is like he sent me his notes and he's like this is what we're talking about, by the way do you know what this term means and I was like now I was about to have to Google it so go ahead and he was like well it was.

Pastor Bill: [14:56] Cool the bishop of Egypt they don't necessarily.

Pastor Newms: [14:59] The bishop of Egypt he he wasn't necessary yeah true sorry a bishop in Egypt had a belief, that Jesus was not God, would you like to tell the specific of what the belief States and then I'll tell the story around it.

Pastor Bill: [15:21] Right so Airy arianism teaches that, Jesus is not was not never was never will be God that he was the first of God's creations, and that he served the purpose of coming to Earth, to teach us how to be right with God and all things were created through Jesus and that Jesus did ascended to the right hand of the father, but just a little lower than God and this is what arianism teach us.

Pastor Newms: [16:03] If for those of you for those of you out there that have listened to the podcast for a long time you already know where this is going, you've heard this story but it's a great story and I begged to get to tell it again even though we've told it so at this Council, where all the Bishops had come together to make decisions on Church leadership like they were doing in those times.

Pastor Bill: [16:29] In a place called niacin.

Pastor Newms: [16:30] Nicaea this is the same area the same type of council that decided which books of the Bible, make up the Bible what you know different things like this so they were discussing and one of the things that got brought up was this whole thing about Jesus not being God, and there was.

Pastor Bill: [16:50] The specific topic was the trinity.

Pastor Newms: [16:52] The trinity, and this particular Bishop brought up well Jesus isn't here's the reason blah blah blah and got really kind of, loud and heated about it and some people viewed it as disrespectful one of the people who viewed it.

Pastor Bill: [17:12] Not disrespectful to the discourse.

Pastor Newms: [17:15] No no this is for disrespectful to God.

Pastor Bill: [17:17] To Jesus.

Pastor Newms: [17:19] So to be clear at the Council of nicaea the emperor was there and any physical violence in front of the emperor, what's the death sentence but knowing this a gentleman named Nicholas, who is better known as Santa Claus.

Pastor Bill: [17:39] He was the bishop of Myra.

Pastor Newms: [17:42] So st. Nicholas walks across the room.

Pastor Bill: [17:46] Not a thing at this point.

Pastor Newms: [17:47] Not a saying at this point right but the person we now know as a saint.

Pastor Bill: [17:51] Because of the miracle that happened.

Pastor Newms: [17:53] Because yeah because the the supposed Miracle walked across the room and, smacked him so hard in the mouth that knocked him over knocked him right out of his chair, and and that's my Santa Claus after this point because of creating violence in front of the emperor he was of course arrested, which I don't know the validity that's why I'm not going to call it a miracle but supposedly when they changed his clothes to put him into prison the guards the next morning came up and he was wearing a whole new set of white clothes and, they were like who gave that to you and and it's like well I'll give you a hint um.

Pastor Bill: [18:49] They were like we're here to take you to the Executioner except that's not what you were wearing on me lock the cell.

Pastor Newms: [18:56] So how did you get those clothes oh well I can't remember was it Mary or Jesus that he said visited him.

Pastor Bill: [19:05] I don't.

Pastor Newms: [19:06] I don't remember off the story I'm sorry but he had a visitation, and the person gave him clothes and so because of that the emperor was like well we're not killing him today and pardoned him and that is also how you know in order to become a saint in the Catholic Church you must have, miracles must happen to you from you around you excetera Etc and so because of that event that is the miracle that, was attached to him that allowed him to become Saint Nicholas that we know.

Pastor Bill: [19:41] After he died.

Pastor Newms: [19:42] After he died and my Santa Claus so that's my.

Pastor Bill: [19:48] Taken away from him hundreds of years later because of said the Santa Claus lore and then was restored later back to him because that stupid.

Pastor Newms: [20:00] It's not his fault yep. But anyway so the reason that we're saying still is because, I'm assuming this is why we're saying it because I didn't talk about to the about this part the problem is is we are still to this day dealing with people who believe, that Jesus was just an angel or just a prophet or etc etc.

Pastor Bill: [20:46] So there's this new new ish movement called the Torah movement, and originally it didn't start in Christian circles it started in secular Circles by people who saw the value of Old Testament beliefs and decided to start keeping Torah, they don't consider themselves Jews they don't consider themselves Christians they don't consider themselves, religious in any way they just saw the value of Torah, and then it spread into becoming a religion and then Christians started becoming joining this Torah movement and then no longer considering themselves, Christian's anymore because now they no longer believe, Jesus Is God and they don't believe in the need for the propitiation of sin through crucifixion and sacrifice that even though you know. With the Torah so.

Pastor Newms: [21:52] So what kind of kind of the whole point of the Old Law.

Pastor Bill: [21:58] So I just wanted to I just wanted to point out some some some scriptures where we talk about how we know, Jesus is God, or at least he was before he became a man because why didn't I put that in my notes the Bible talks about him giving up Divinity to become a man. And then Paul talks about that man then being exalted back, the position of above everything got it.

Pastor Newms: [22:41] And you can't give up what you didn't ever have.

Pastor Bill: [22:45] That's true you can't get up with you didn't have so and and and these people that have these beliefs, they're tricky their Trixie because they will call out John 1:1 and they will say yeah yeah in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God, but that doesn't mean the Word was God except when we go read John 11.

[23:19] John 11 and we're going to read through three.

[23:29] It says, in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and that's where they stop quoting it but the next part is and the Word was God, he was with God in the beginning all things were created through him and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created, so the mental gymnastics, that has to go on to quote John 11 as part of your defense to claim that Jesus isn't God.

[24:04] Is staggering and if you're looking at that and you're going I don't understand how does that what does this word thing so if we stay in the same chapter John one, and we go down to verses 14 through 18 K the word became flesh and dwelt Among Us, we observed his glory the glory as the one and only son from the father full of grace and truth, John testified concerning him and he's claimed this was the one of whom I said the one coming after me ranks ahead of me because he existed before me, indeed we have all received Grace upon Grace from his fullness for the law was given through Moses, Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ, no one has ever seen God the one and only son who is himself God and is at the father's side he has revealed himself.

[25:07] That's in the csb verse 18 there the phrase who is himself God, it makes me uncomfortable that they included that in the csb translation because it's not in the majority manuscripts that's in a minority manuscript if you go read the King James, it's not even there it's not part of the original Greek that they the manuscript Greek that they, used to make the New Testament in King James is time and even now it's not the majority manuscript it's a minority manuscript so makes me uncomfortable I believe the phrase I believe that, forgot to actually pull up my hard copy Bible I believe that phrase that Jesus is God you know but it makes me uncomfortable to use that Minority manuscript chunk.

[26:05] Just because it agrees with you know the way we believe that's it's not really how you're supposed to be translating the Bible but that's my personal belief not, yeah anything else okay so clearly from John chapter 1 we can see that, Jesus Is God Jesus was God in the beginning was the word and I've always, personally not always but for the last decade or two I replaced that word word with the word motive because it's.

[26:42] We've conflated in our religious beliefs the word word meaning Bible, word of God you know and then then we equate this is Jesus in my hands and that's simply not the case, but motive actually expresses the concept that's being taught in John 1:1 so the beginning was the motive, and the motive was with God and the were in the motive was the word and the motive was God he was with God in the beginning all things were created through him and apart from him not one thing created, that was created has been created the motive became flesh and dwelt Among Us well why, why does that sit well because you do things because you're driven by a motive your you have this motive to do something, the motive of creation the reason why God created was.

Pastor Newms: [27:39] And in that word, logos is something said by implication a topic also reasoning or motive by accent by extension a compulsion, that's not the word compulsion a come.

[28:02] Put competish Co MP UTA tion specifically.

Pastor Bill: [28:10] Computation.

Pastor Newms: [28:11] Yes thank you specifically the Divine expression that is Christ, accountable I mean account cause communication concerning Doctrine matter mouth preaching question you know there's a whole list of words that it can be.

Pastor Bill: [28:28] All of that to say it's not just the.

Pastor Newms: [28:31] Yeah.

Pastor Bill: [28:32] Thing that comes out of your mouth it's the thing that comes out of your mouth and why what's the why behind it. Um and so that's what that is and that becomes flesh well that is Jesus Jesus becomes flesh he is that thing and it was in the beginning, you know the chiefest of time the you know, the first and foremost and I'll and I'll give the tour of movement revelation.

[29:28] Right to Laird Ephesus Smyrna pergamum Montana city was Philadelphia but that's not right.

[29:52] Maybe it only makes sense in the King James.

[29:58] Sorry guys I do like the leg return. The lag I don't like the lag when I when I had to look something up because I forgot to put it in my notes.

Pastor Newms: [30:12] Oh

Pastor Bill: [30:19] All right yeah Revelations 3:14, it says and unto the angel of the Church of the lady of Seasons write these things saith the amen the faithful and true witness the beginning of the creation of God. And I'll give them that in English that sounds a whole lot like Jesus was the first thing God created. But in Greek the idea being expressed is Chief.

[31:00] Um principality magistrate power principle rule.

[31:07] The ruler of the creation the magistrate of the creation of God the, principality of the creation of God it's the person who starts it it's the person who oversees it it's it using this context it doesn't mean the first thing to be created, um and in King James it's time they probably understood that turn of phrase to mean what it means but when we read it face value today, I'll give them that that verse sounds like Jesus was a creation the first of the creations.

[31:49] But as definitely not what's being said there and even people that try to defend, this Torah movement they'll say things like well I don't need any of that Greek stuff I've got my I've got my King James that's all I need, I'm good I don't need any that Greek and Hebrew stuff I've got all I need right here, and I'm like hmm that's how you lead to misunderstandings of translation because, the King James in your hand wasn't written using the same vernacular that you speak now to none of the cultural context of what's going on in the people that wrote and who that's wrote, you don't understand that cultural context.

[32:41] And so for cultural context let's turn to make sure this is the right note that I'm about to talk about yes we're like we're going to turn to John.

[32:57] Chapter 8 verses 48 through 59 big Sid Revelation oh what was the rebbe the verse in Revelation.

Pastor Newms: [33:09] Where did Big say that.

Pastor Bill: [33:12] On Twitch he wrote revelation.

Pastor Newms: [33:15] Why didn't restream pick that up.

Pastor Bill: [33:17] I'm looking at restraint. Biggs it was Revelations chapter 3 and verse 14 was the verse that sounds in the King James if we want to read it in the aren't was it 14. Kareem CSP it says right to the angel of the church in Letty ousia thus says the a man the faithful and true witness the originator of God's creation the originator.

[33:54] That word makes more sense in modern vernacular with what the message that verse is okay so for cultural context now we're going to turn to John chapter 8 verses 48 through 59 and this is a cultural context thing that, that I see missing in their understanding they'll bring this up even, um starting in verse 48 the Jews responded to him Jesus aren't we right and saying that you're a Samaritan and have a demon like them is fighting words first off, you don't come to a teacher a rabbi who has you know hundreds of followers and call them a Samaritan and a demon-possessed Samaritan that's just.

[34:48] So in 49 Jesus replies I do not have a demon he didn't say he wasn't Samaritan you noticed that he didn't even touch that he was like I'm not touching your racism with a 10-foot Pole, I do not have a demon Jesus answered on the contrary I honor my father and you dishonor me, I do not seek my own Glory there is one who seeks it and judges truly I tell you if anyone keeps my word he will never see death, then the Jews said now we know you have a demon, Abraham died and so did the prophets you say if anyone keeps my word he will never taste death are you greater than our Father Abraham who died and the prophets died who do you claim to be.

[35:34] If I glorify myself Jesus answered my glory is, my father about whom you say he is our God he is the one who glorifies me and you do not know him but I know him, if I were to say I don't know him I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day he saw it and was glad, the Jews replied you aren't 50 years old yet and you've seen Abraham Jesus said to them truly I tell you, before Abraham was I am so they picked up stones to throw at him but Jesus was hidden and he went out of the Temple.

[36:23] So this phrase I am Jesus just literally called himself God, just point blank those words I am aren't you don't even say them in their culture because of the fact that God refers to himself as I am.

Pastor Newms: [36:39] Uh-huh.

Pastor Bill: [36:42] You don't even say things like I am ready to go to the store that's not a phrase they would have used because it had the words I am in it, they would have chosen a different phrasing, because that's the name of God and Jesus didn't you say that he called himself that and, so there's that cultural context of well Jesus just called himself God that's why they picked up the rocks to Stone him because he just created he just he just made the biggest hair radical.

Pastor Newms: [37:12] Uh-huh.

Pastor Bill: [37:14] In their culture. Right he called himself God, and instead of understanding that and seeing that the Torah movement Defenders then pivot, to Exodus why is that not in my notes eat.

[37:39] Why are my notes missing notes.

Pastor Newms: [37:43] I don't know what you did homie.

Pastor Bill: [37:45] I don't know what it is either I've got notes in my head that aren't on my page Exodus chapter 3.

[38:01] And so we'll go to Exodus chapter 3 in those they'll bring up the story and it'll say, meanwhile Moses was shepherding the flock of his father-in-law Jethro the priest of Midian, sorry Midian he led the flock to The Far Side of the Wilderness and came to Horeb the Mountain of God then the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire within a bush and that's where they stop reading and they said, see there it was an angel of the Lord in the bush not God was the angel of the Lord who called himself I am, and so that was Jesus in the bush but that wasn't God in the bush but then if you keep reading.

[38:44] So we stopped, at verse 2 now so let's finish verse to as Moses look he said the Bush was on fire but was not consumed so Moses thought I must go over there and look at this remarkable sight why isn't the bush burning up, when the Lord saw that he gone over to look God called out to him from the Bush Moses Moses, God speaks through the bush. It's God talking it may have identified it as an angel of the Lord inhabiting the bush but that's God's voice coming out of the fire.

[39:33] God calls himself I am in this statement it could repeat key repeatedly says God said God replied even when it gets to the I am it says God replied to Moses I am who I am.

[39:53] And so it's this it's these mental gymnastics to try to defend this theology, that leads you away from Christ away from faith in Christ, and into this place where remember we talked about when Paul talks about circumcision physical circumcision he talks about your picking up a piece of the law, and when you do that when you pick up one piece your then, required to carry out all the law and when you do that you've made the work of Christ null and void of no effect, there was no point in Jesus coming and and you're choosing to to give up everything Jesus came and did.

[40:45] And that's a dangerous place to be not because I think you can lose your salvation right because, once you truly believe you believe, and those who leave us they never truly believe so if you are are able to be convinced by a snake oil salesman, that, geez know Jesus is really God and and that's not what the Bible means and you're you're a be able to convince it that you probably didn't believe to begin with, because once you believe you believe, there's no one can come to me right now and say you see there Jesus doesn't exist and that's not how it bubbly you can't convince me of that because I wasn't convinced to believe it, I believe it because I believe it it's faith, I don't need evidence I don't need you to tell me something different, I believe it to be the truth I wasn't mentally convinced of it through some gymnastics of logic that's not how Faith Works.

[42:01] There are those that believe religious statements, because they were convinced to believe them or they were coerced into believe them or they were you know, feared into believing them coerced into making statements that they didn't actually understand right, and this is this is one of the reasons why we support deconstruction, as an organization because if you were coerced and you're actually not headed for eternity with God you should sussed that out now instead of when it's too late right, um but this Torah movement thing it's just it's cool.

Pastor Newms: [42:50] It's weird yeah it's yet another one of those movements where. It doesn't even like as it's happening you're like wait a second what those two things like don't even match.

Pastor Bill: [43:15] Now we're not and just to just to be clear we're not talking about the Hebrew Roots movement, there is a Hebrew Roots movement that very very intensely believes that Jesus is God and he is Lord and and but what they believe that to be a true disciple of Christ, you need to live like Christ dead and Christ lives according to precepts that he found in Torah, right and so.

Pastor Newms: [43:48] Why so he followed Torah.

Pastor Bill: [43:50] So that's what they believe the Hebrew Roots movement believes that for my own physical, edification and to truly satisfy at the end of the day when I look in the mirror and I say I'm a true disciple of Christ I need to do XYZ, not because salvation is tied to it not because righteousness is tied to it but for my own satisfaction for myself, I need to keep Torah and that's perfectly fine, you're allowed to say I'm not going to drink to drink alcohol today because I believe that's bad for me I'm not gonna do this today because I believe that's good for me you're allowed to do all of that, all of that the dividing line is when you start saying things like, Jesus isn't God and didn't need to die for your sins, and and start literally teaching a different gospel than what's taught, by Paul and the other Apostles here in this tiny portion at the back of the Bible its you know compared to the rest of the Bible is this tiny portion.

Pastor Newms: [45:07] And it's something that you know so often, we deal with in the modern world people trying to redefine or change the meaning of and. Often times we have to look at the whole like okay well you know o the spirit the Holy Spirit told me this, and you're like but that is completely opposite of the foundings of the teachers in the Bible if something is completely, opposite scripture or the Bible however you want to look at that that's where we have to go mmm does that does that truly, shake out especially if you start writing new New Testaments to justify what you want to do and you would you like to answer Juno, hi Juno it's been a minute how you doing also side note.

Pastor Bill: [46:25] Well the question on Twitch from Juno Malone who asks how do you pronounce it Collision well you pronounce it ich lesion and, don't worry I get that question a lot so here's what happened is the Greek word for church or Community is ekklesia, ekklesia so it should be a clear seein right but that doesn't have an English ring to it, um and so I changed it to eke lesion for our purposes but it is occlusion coming from ekklesia and coming from ekklesia basically meaning of the church. So there you go of the church or of the community is basically what equation means.

Pastor Newms: [47:17] Which is also why.

Pastor Bill: [47:19] Of the church House Of The Community House.

Pastor Newms: [47:21] When Pastor Bill made our website a collision house.com, II I tried to spell it for about six months and then was like we're going to have to do something.

Pastor Bill: [47:37] It's then I got our ekk. House.

Pastor Newms: [47:40] Yeah.

Pastor Bill: [47:41] URL and email addresses and all that because.

Pastor Newms: [47:45] Occlusion house in dyslexia don't go well together.

Pastor Bill: [47:46] Somebody couldn't spell Ecclesia and over and over and over and over again.

Pastor Newms: [47:50] Does it I couldn't get into my own email.

Pastor Bill: [47:55] He's like past news it dude how do you spell it again.

Pastor Newms: [47:57] Yeah anyway yes thank you for the question you're welcome for the answer.

Pastor Bill: [48:12] All right give anything else your dad I know you were.

Pastor Newms: [48:15] No I was I was I was I was wrapped up with my with my thought process I wrapped up before I, went to Geno's question but it definitely. It is something that I've actually had a couple conversations over the last couple of days about things that don't necessarily make sense because, what they call themselves isn't even matching what they are, things like the tour movement the Torah movement but we'll ignore large parts of the Torah, and everything else attached to the Torah will just focus on the parts that we like and ignore you know so it's interesting when we.

Pastor Bill: [49:04] The real in the rib to me the really interesting part about the whole thing is that Matthew Mark Luke John James Peter Paul said all these people they were Torah keepers, it was Torah Keepers who wrote the New Testament and said.

[49:23] We were given the laws of Moses through you know by God through Moses but now Grace and Truth has come, through Jesus and and Paul said no no I don't hate the Lyle of the law the law taught me right from wrong but now, I'm under the grace of Christ and while everything may not be good for me I'm free to do whatever I want, and while everything may not edify me I'm free to do whatever I want now should I well no because there's things that want to kill me, there's things that will literally kill me and literally Lead Me Away from where I need to be but I could if I wanted to, and that's I think a lot of people don't get that about the gospel that the New Testament actually preaches it is for freedom, that Christ set us free it's not for slavery it didn't set us free from the bondage that we were in so that we could just be in a new bondage he set us free so that, we have freedom we can choose to do whatever we want it's not necessarily good for us right but but we have the freedom to. Anyway that's a whole nother that's a whole nother topic and a whole nother Ranch.

Pastor Newms: [50:52] That's a whole nother topic whole nother topic that we've gone down a couple times so.

Pastor Bill: [50:58] Be aware and careful out there because the Bible warns that from the get-go there were people who were teaching other gospels and that that will just continue to ramp up, people will continue to.

[51:15] Bring just completely Twisted things that they think they've heard from the scriptures and honestly, when you talk to a tour of movement person and you talk to a Muslim, there's not really much difference between the way the two of them see the world they talk about Jesus the same way, they have World Views that are very similar so it's not really a new thing at all it's it's a bunch of old things regurgitated into a new package, and it's not right, weird and honestly you won't hear me say this a lot but it's wrong, I don't I don't say that a lot because I think it's up to you to decide but this is one that is just point blank wrong.

[52:16] All right so this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at 7 p.m. wherever you, get your podcast and we also record it live on Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time on Twitch YouTube and Facebook and you could go to our website, EK K dot house to find out which twitch which Facebook and which YouTube that you can go to to participate live, um what are you laughing about Jesse something wrong again.

Pastor Newms: [52:49] No no no you say it you say it correctly every week but, there's just something about the phrase which to itch.

Pastor Bill: [53:00] Which witch.

Pastor Newms: [53:00] That makes that makes my mind giggle because it's like which twitch which Facebook and with just that which to which is makes me it makes me giggle because.

Pastor Bill: [53:11] It makes me happy to say which twitch.

Pastor Newms: [53:11] Close I know and that makes me giggle as well I'm in a good mood today that's weird anyway continue.

Pastor Bill: [53:18] And then as we said you know throughout Journal Malone has a question or that brings on YouTube says or big says these are people that are participating life in the conversation and we would like to invite you to come participate live as well.

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Pastor Bill: [53:32] So hopefully you can join us some Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. and that's all we have for you this week I love you and I hope you have a great.

Pastor Newms: [53:41] Be safe out there y'all.

Pastor Bill: [53:42] Until next time.

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Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 78 of the Berean Manifesto.

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Pastor Bill: [0:08] And love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined as always, by baldy over here Pastor newms all the way from the state of Tennessee and the last week I said joined by always instead of as always and we had some fun with that and I made it.

Pastor Newms: [0:24] There was no by you just said joined always.

Pastor Bill: [0:29] Joined I always whatever it was.

Pastor Newms: [0:31] You just said joined always lies if we were conjoined and it was very we did.

Pastor Bill: [0:35] We had a lot of fun with it and I clipped it and I put it on my twitch my Tick-Tock so that was a lot of fun so.

Pastor Newms: [0:44] Yes I'm talking about the new shirt.

Pastor Bill: [0:47] Bigs pointed out this is the the next shirt design that we're highlighting that we're going to be selling at Dallas Pride on June 4th we've got a nice. Heart ish looking symbol and the middle it's not. It's open to interpretation what it is but if it makes me I when I see it I see like it's kind of like a heart you know and then it's just fully loved along this one side and it's got the two scriptures in the and the website down there, and so that's one of the shirts and then it's got all the colors of the rainbow and once again it is featuring a saint, there's just turned and positioned in a in an interesting way to yeah to. The heart looking shape so this is one of the shirts that will be selling it pride cool all right passengers how was your.

Pastor Newms: [1:52] Looks pretty good I worked a bunch and play games bunch and did not, we did not stream this week for the church we did know gaming with the pastors are our gameplay was quite Limited.

Pastor Bill: [2:11] We didn't do a lot of gaming even.

Pastor Newms: [2:13] Will you didn't you were busy.

Pastor Bill: [2:15] I was making that I said we I was making that Mother's Day present for my chillins mama.

Pastor Newms: [2:26] Yeah and so not a ton of stuff real busy at work work is work is crazy busy right now is I don't see it slowing down anytime soon.

Pastor Bill: [2:37] Can I just say this shirt is super soft.

Pastor Newms: [2:40] Didn't you get the kinds that we really like.

Pastor Bill: [2:44] Um for the new Free Hug shirts I did, this is not quite the same blend but it is so soft that I'm tempted to just not wear an undershirt in the future when I wear these shirts.

Pastor Newms: [3:00] That's interesting I.

Pastor Bill: [3:02] Which is weird for me.

Pastor Newms: [3:03] I realized like 30 seconds before going live then I'm not even wearing a graphic tee and I'm just literally wearing a George shirt from Walmart and, which I usually don't do on Sunday nights.

Pastor Bill: [3:14] But you love those George shirt.

Pastor Newms: [3:15] Love these George sure I don't know what it is about them recently that they are just phenomenal they've upped their game which.

Pastor Bill: [3:24] Nominally.

Pastor Newms: [3:25] Which is crazy because.

Pastor Bill: [3:28] Prince Ali yes it is he.

Pastor Newms: [3:32] I don't like Target I was I'm always been a Walmart person it might have something to do with work.

Pastor Bill: [3:38] Now you're going to you're going to upset the cult of.

Pastor Newms: [3:41] I understand it's fine.

Pastor Bill: [3:42] We're going to get angry.

Pastor Newms: [3:43] I'm sure that's not the only one we're going to get angry emails about by the end of this night but that's beside the.

Pastor Bill: [3:47] Man.

Pastor Newms: [3:48] So I wouldn't do a Target and like zaidi and said targets close have gone downhill and I went in there and it looks, Walmart like all the all the things were just piles of clothes and there was trash in the aisles and it was it was all kinds of like.

Pastor Bill: [4:23] I love that it looked like Walmart and then proceeds to list off all of these horrible things that we're going on.

Pastor Newms: [4:32] But the quality of clothes supposedly has gone down I don't know I don't buy their clothes I barely by Walmart clothes I barely buy clothes I still have clothes from high school.

Pastor Bill: [4:44] Minion gun on Twitch says that they love targets button up shirt.

Pastor Newms: [4:48] Never tried one they might they might be.

Pastor Bill: [4:51] I wouldn't know.

Pastor Newms: [4:52] They might be great.

Pastor Bill: [4:53] I used to buy you know I used to buy a lot of clothes from Walmart until I got too big they don't so close in my size, and target has never sold clothes in my size, once I you know turn 16 I couldn't buy clothes it targeted me more because they were all too small for me so yeah and now I exclusively by a big and tall stores for everything not because I'm tall but because, um so I don't really have a favorite for clothes Walmart or Target because none of their clothes fit me you'd think in the country with an obesity epidemic, um we would be easier to get clothes for a fat person but it's not it's not easy getting close as a fat person, so

Pastor Newms: [5:45] No it's not um how was your week.

Pastor Bill: [5:52] My week was good I feel good this week, I got up at a good time most days I wasn't like drugging myself on the bed and and so I've just I don't know I've had a good feeling this week I've gotten, back to being able to eat salads every day this week I did that so that that always helps make me feel a little better too but I don't know I just had to really good good week and I look good. So all right well it's time for getting to know the pastures and we've already gone through my whole deck.

Pastor Newms: [6:31] So

Pastor Bill: [6:32] And I thought I had another interview deck but I don't see it I'll have to look for it again this week so we'll go ahead and pull a card from your deck and see where we go.

Pastor Newms: [6:41] All right so what would your dream house look like be as descriptive as possible.

Pastor Bill: [6:50] My dream house be as descriptive as possible.

Pastor Newms: [6:53] Not where you live is that pretty much the only way.

Pastor Bill: [6:58] So I want a house that's got like one floor for each person and then one floor, as the communal living area at the bottom and then it's got to have the elevators and then all Glass Walls once you get above a couple of floors so you can see the scenery out, and other than that I don't really have any of them just give me some elevators get me up there.

Pastor Newms: [7:25] See you in mines exactly the opposite it would be completely underground cave system Style with you know everything that that.

Pastor Bill: [7:34] But see that's the beauty of our relationship is it could be the same building.

Pastor Newms: [7:40] With lots and lots of rooms.

Pastor Bill: [7:42] Yours floors could be sub and my floors could be out and and Minion got on Twitch made a nice callback to an Audio Adrenaline classic.

Pastor Newms: [7:51] He just wants a big house a big big house.

Pastor Bill: [7:55] Big house a big big house with lots and lots of rooms big big yard where we can play football that sounds like my father's house.

Pastor Newms: [8:08] Yeah it's it's definitely. Yeah I am not one that cares a lot about what the house looks like I'm more about the function, I don't like a lot of windows I don't like a lot of that kind of stuff I prefer, closed spaces underground is nice also because the heating and air bills are lower because it holds temperature better and these new 3D printed houses are pretty nice if you 3D printed the bunker and then.

Pastor Bill: [8:47] Something that happened this week as well you brought up 3D printed houses and zaidi was like a what now.

Pastor Newms: [8:54] What what's a 3D printed house.

Pastor Bill: [8:56] What are you talking about 3D print and I bet in her brain she was literally thinking of the little 3D printers and like 3D printing one little piece at a time.

Pastor Newms: [9:05] And putting it together because she's like she's like like a prefab house and I'm like.

Pastor Bill: [9:19] Yeah they come in with a big machine and it spits out concrete in the design around and around and back and forth around around just like 3D printing its snake.

Pastor Newms: [9:31] Yeah it's a lot of fun.

Pastor Bill: [9:36] So you'd live underground and I would live up as high as possible, and it could all be the same house and I could just feel like I need to go to the studio and I get in my elevator and I hit sub-sub bait subfloor one and that's like this the studio like we worked there and, record podcast and stuff that'd be fun. 11 or but one end or both of us needs to win the lottery a couple times and make that a reality.

Pastor Newms: [10:02] Good luck.

Pastor Bill: [10:04] That's that's why they'll never happen for me right there good luck.

Pastor Newms: [10:12] And yes Biggs we actually cuz me and Biggs were doing a puzzle today we had the windows open to you know so we didn't have unnatural light and we did we complained the whole time and, yes the only thing above ground I believe needs to be a castle turret just.

Pastor Bill: [10:32] A moat and some turrets.

Pastor Newms: [10:33] Just a moat and some turrets in everyone's like where's the rest of the house uh-huh.

Pastor Bill: [10:37] It's underneath is underneath that I need the.

Pastor Newms: [10:39] Don't worry about it.

Pastor Bill: [10:41] You do if you don't know you don't need.

[10:48] All right so, let's Unite we are. Going to be breaching something that's touchy and I think everybody saw this coming because of everything that's been going on this week but first thing I want to I want to poll is. Are we. Team depth or team heard because it seems like it would be hard to be team heard it had to be like Team Russia to be team heard at this point.

Pastor Newms: [11:22] It's real hard to, I have not consumed all of it on purpose but I know I have been boycotting d.c. for a while just, from the beginning so I'll let that you can take that to mean whatever you would like.

Pastor Bill: [11:48] Because you are already team death.

Pastor Newms: [11:49] Yeah so but the. Is either person perfect know both people had issues made mistakes blah blah blah. I believe one didn't lie as much and I believe one didn't. Cause issues as much but it's always hard in those types of situations too. Do you know we have a we have a thoughts process of, we have to believe you know, certain aspects we have to love we have to respect we have to you know and so I've left it very much I don't know as Phoenix said, as the evidence is come out we're pretty much able to make some determinations but it is still always hard with situations like that.

Pastor Bill: [13:12] All right everything came out this week was a leak from the Supreme Court.

Pastor Newms: [13:20] There was.

Pastor Bill: [13:20] Right there was a leak from the Supreme Court and the leak said and it was a draft of a. A majority opinion the majority opinion means it's the the winner of a, of a court case to have a majority opinion someone's chosen to write the majority opinion and someone's chosen to RIT right the dissenting opinion the majority opinion is of well this is why the court agreed and gave favor too the dissenting opinion is always well this is why certain judges voted against in a court case.

Pastor Newms: [14:01] Hm

Pastor Bill: [14:02] And this majority opinion LED everyone who read it to believe because it almost point-blank said it that the cases of Roe and Casey were both going to have to be overturned. Moving forward and so this put a lot of people up in arms and there's a lot of turmoil going on and there's a lot of, rhetoric being used now back and forth but what.

[14:41] Hertz is the right word me the most is the Christian rhetoric so I want to start off and and just, relate something from my past right quick and then we'll look at a couple of scriptures and then we'll break down kind of, how we should look at situations like this I'm not going to tell you what to believe on the topic your, a human being that's capable of hearing from the Holy Spirit and making your own mind up but I want to I want to, just illuminate the areas and and it's going to be tough it's it's it's a tough issue but we don't shy away from tough issues just because they're tough, um we want to talk about things like this and not Echo chamber talk but actually have a critical conversation about, you know how we see things and how we portray ourselves and how Christianity is being portrayed and so. Take a trip back with me several several years ago before. Not before I get shortly after 9/11.

Pastor Newms: [15:54] Okay.

Pastor Bill: [15:55] So 9/11 happens and. Everybody's searching for a sama Bin Laden right Asama Bin Laden hadn't been captured yet Saddam Hussein hadn't been captured yet and so, everyone is looking for these guys and I'm working at a Christian Ministry and we're having this prayer time, every morning every morning as a department we would get together first thing in the morning and we would have prayer we would have worship we would have you know just a little time just to reset our hearts and our minds from being out in the world so that we could do work in the ministry space.

[16:37] And we're having this prayer time and the person that's leading that day starts praying that God would be with the soldiers that are hunting for Saddam Hussein. And kill him and it broke my heart. Because may I understand from an American standpoint, we're in a war with those people be I understand from your political standpoint he is your enemy see I understand from a worldview you know he's hurting his people. But I also understand that historically throughout scripture God has moved on dictators. And turn their hearts and led whole Nations to repentance and Revival.

[17:41] And instead of praying for God to move and for God to do what God does and for God to intervene and for God to change the heart and for God to revolutionize the country and for God to, we're praying for this leader to be killed. And I just can't.

[18:07] Can't reconcile that kind of thing with my heart with my beliefs with my thought process I am, I'm pro-life and when I say that I mean I am anti-death penalty I am anti-war I am.

Pastor Newms: [18:25] Annoyingly so huh aye aye vote huh I said annoyingly so.

Pastor Bill: [18:35] Annoyingly so and so War I am yes I'm anti abortion but no I'm not anti.

[18:45] Woman who finds herself in a situation I believe that people should be loved no matter what, um it's like there's the one song, walk a mile in another person's shoes and it's got the whole verse about the girl who the young man told her you know all baby we're going to be together forever and I love you and and then, they get intimate and she becomes pregnant through months later he's you know he's onto something new, and she's a teenage girl left with this decision of you know this is this is going to wreck my whole life she makes tickets decision to go get an abortion and she's met at the abortion clinic with people calling her a sinner and a whore instead of oh baby girl, let me hold you let me love you let me take care of you I'm sorry you're in this situation instead of actually doing Ministry to the person we've over and over and over and I say we because I'm a believer that, I take responsibility for what we as Christians do, the church it's not enough to say well I don't personally do that but that church over there is doing it until we're all on the same page we're all guilty for what that church is doing.

[20:13] And so that's where we are right now in this situation so let's I just I want to talk about I just want to bring up a couple of scriptures and then will you know will dig more into. How we should look at all of this but the first thing is there's there's the bump the scripture bump scripture which was John 15 and 19 and. We're going to have to remove this statement why are my caught my comments not going to Twitch.

Pastor Newms: [20:50] I don't know it didn't when I did it earlier to I fixed it.

Pastor Bill: [20:53] We're going to have to remove a statement from its context but not take it out of context okay, so this is Jesus talking he says if the world hates you understand that it hated me before it hated you, if you were of the world the world would love you as its own however because you are not of the world I have chosen you out of it, the world hates you now we're not going to talk about whether or not the world hates us or is persecuting us or whatever. As an American in in in this day and age is a Christian I don't feel persecuted I feel what's the word I'm looking for.

Pastor Newms: [21:37] What's the word you looking for sometimes.

Pastor Bill: [21:40] Discriminated against very slightly.

Pastor Newms: [21:45] Very.

Pastor Bill: [21:46] But nowhere near to what I see people of other color receiving, I don't feel that kind of discriminated and I certainly don't feel persecuted like say the Muslims trying to live in China right now that are in are in actual concentration camps, I don't I'm not living that life I don't feel any of that I'm free to go to church and to share the name of Jesus and to you know read my Bible and to pray in public eye I don't feel hated, but what the idea that I want to pull from here is, you are not of the world so when we look at these situations we see these things going around on around us we have to remember, that we don't have to get caught up in all that we don't have to let it sway us, to and fro and affect us to the point where we're distraught or overburdened or were you know at a loss for how to respond because we're not of this world.

[22:56] We're here but we're not of the world, we're of different stock okay and then the other thing I wanted to talk about, marked it with my my thing and I don't know where it was okay here we go it's Kitty type this in for me newms it's Matthew chapter 22, and we're going to start at verse 15 and go through 21.

[23:31] Then the Pharisees went and plotted how to trap him Jesus by what he said so they sent their disciples to him along with the herodians, teacher they said we know that you are truthful and teach truthfully the way of God you don't care what anyone thinks nor do you show partiality, tell us then what you think is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not, perceiving their malicious intent Jesus said why are you testing me Hypocrites show me the coin used for the tax they brought him a Denarius whose image and inscription is this he asked, Caesars they said to him then he said to them give then to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are gods, when they heard this they were amazed so they left him and went away now.

[24:26] A lot of people strictly use this to go you see there you should pay your taxes, give unto Caesar what is Caesar's given to pay your tithe you should pay your taxes right there says, that's not exactly the idea that they do is cut that is covered but that's not exactly what's going on there what's going on there is almost literally the separation of church and state. The state is one thing and you given to the state what is do the state the church is another thing and you given to the church what is the church. The state should not be telling the church how to do ministry as in you can't tell me that I can't feed the poor, like some of the laws that have been passed in California where it's illegal to how have food lines out on the street now you can't feed the poor you shouldn't be able to tell me that I can't have a Bible study, which I'm not talking about covid I'm not I get it I understand putting a restriction on people but with today's technology that is not an actual restriction that is just a change of mode I mean look at us.

Pastor Newms: [25:42] Yeah we changed.

Pastor Bill: [25:43] Right here we changed modes, um the church State shouldn't be putting limits on the church within reason of ministry now the state can go no no no no you're not going to come in and bite a bunch of people with snakes, that's an actual health hazard we're going to have to cool a Bosch that the state can do that okay I get that, but at the same time Christians shouldn't be trying to legislate morality.

[26:19] Or not even morality but try to take, um historical precedence from our religious beliefs and say will it's always been like this so it's the law should be like this. That's not how that works the state should serve the people as a secular institution and the church Serve the People, as a church, can they coexist and even work together one help the other get his job done and one help the other get their job done absolutely that that would be brilliant that would be beautiful, but for people to go in and say we need to overturn Roe versus Wade.

[27:15] You're killing babies and my faith tells me we shouldn't be killing babies okay, you're allowed to feel, that your faith instructs you that all life is precious and that life begins at a certain point you're allowed to feel that. Okay you're not allowed to pass a law. That then tells other people they have to feel the way your faith tells you to feel, they don't have that faith not all of them and the ones that do have that Faith perhaps they've grasp a hold of First Corinthians chapter 13 and realize that there is faith, there is hope but greater than those more important than those is love. And if we're not loving others first and foremost. Then we're doing a dish Justice to our faith and were stealing.

[28:29] Okay so for you to stand outside of an abortion clinic and yell you're killing babies. And you're going to go to hell that is not love, for you to stand outside of an abortion clinic and say do you need a ride home after do you need someone who can talk to you before and after if you choose to go in.

[28:57] I'm here for you I'll take you to a meal let's let's work through this that's love right. But if you want to get rid of something like abortion that you see as a violation of your faith. Then you have to figure out how to do that long before. They're at an abortion clinic long before they become pregnant and long before they're even in a relationship. Right, we have to destigmatize sex for one because right now the way we the church handle sex is with a veil, we stigmatize it we mystify it we hide it and so young people come up under this this Veil and they go oh well I have to hide that I can't let you know, that I'm feeling that way I can't let you know that I'm doing that thing, and then they're having unprotected sex they're having dangerous sex they're having sex that leads them to pregnancy long before they're ready, and then chain kicks in and what are their options.

[30:24] What are they supposed to do, are they supposed to come to you in that shame and fear and talk about this thing that that's this consequence of this thing that's happened they couldn't even talk about the act of, before because we created a lifestyle of Shame surrounding sex okay, we have to demystify that to we have to teach about and make available contraceptives all your give them permission to send your given permission sin I am not I'm not, I'm giving them a safety net because sex happens, I taught my son I've taught my kids I can tell you the right way to do something over and over and over and over and over and over but until you're in the situation you can't know how you're going to respond. Period.

Pastor Newms: [31:22] And it always fails talk to you.

Pastor Bill: [31:24] And if all else fails go talk to him.

Pastor Newms: [31:26] Shit.

Pastor Bill: [31:30] We have to get rid of shame we have to demystify we have to make available contraceptions and teach about safe sex. Okay we have to teach you about this where to teach you about how it happens, why it happens what you can do to prevent it because it's not enough to say you can't get an abortion you have to bla bla bla we have to teach people how to prevent that from happening on both sides, young ladies need to know, what is going to happen to their body in this process and young men need to know if you do the deed you're responsible.

[32:16] The mama as far as I'm concerned for my son if he gets a girl pregnant and she chooses to get an abortion I don't hold her accountable for that I hold him accountable for that life. He is accountable for the baby that just got taken to an abortion clinic. It's not on her it's on him now her parents can go deal with what's on her that's fine. But as far as I'm concerned he has a responsibility that he just threw away, and got a girl pregnant instead of doing the right thing taking the right steps choosing protection choosing situations that were better before he got into the heated. Right there's too much in our culture of well that's not the man's responsibility that's the ladies responsibility, and I grew up no lie I grew up seeing on TV and I can't believe I'm about to say this, one good thing that ever came out of my step dad's mouth, if you get a girl pregnant it's your responsibility to drive her up to that clinic and you have to pay for any procedure so you think about that before you get involved in a sexual relationship.

[33:46] And so that stuck with me. I was responsible if I got a girl pregnant that was my fault I did that it didn't happen to her I did that to her. And I see a lot of that not being taught we don't teach young men by and large that they are responsible for their actions and they have to take responsibility for those actions.

Pastor Newms: [34:12] Sadly we do the opposite sadly we demonize women for oh well you know how were you dressed how were you it's not a woman no no no it's a man's fault, when.

Pastor Bill: [34:27] And now we're now we're we're preaching on the rape issue. So often a woman will report rape and the questions that come out of the police that's been documented over and over and over again is what were you wearing where were you walking where you junk how were you / trying yourself, that is not relevant in any way shape or form to catching the dirtbag, who forced himself on to this young lady and getting Justice for that young lady and if that young lady who's been raped, wants to get an abortion because that trauma is too deep and too rough and too vile for her to deal with I can't blame her for that, period she need any girl that's been raped whether it was pregnancy or not needs counseling, possibly a psychiatrist a psychologist a counselor and I'm not talking about okay first off that's not me I'm not a licensed counselor I have the title pastor, Pastor newms has the title pounced Pastor neither one of us are licensed counselors that's not what I'm talking about, I can I can give you a hug and I can love on you and I can treat you like one of my daughters.

[35:55] But I am not licensed to help you deal with that trauma and there are a lot of pastors out here that have the right heart and the right intent and they want to love you and they want to help you but they're not qualified, paid to be dealing with those situations there are pastors out here that want to help with marriage counseling but aren't qualified to be a marriage counselor they're not license they're not they haven't trained they haven't gone through what needs to happen, um and then you've got the problem of incest, I don't even want to touch that one because that's so deep and dark and twisted and and confusing that I don't even begin to understand that situation. And so I'm going to leave that to someone else my main point here is.

[37:02] We are different people all inside the one person right we've got our secular selves, and then we've got our faith-based selves we've got our hope base elves and we've got our love bass selves, our secular cells myself I'm States right person writes person I don't believe the government should be making laws, that limit a state's ability to govern, I don't believe the Supreme Court should be making decisions that limit a state's ability to make those decisions I believe the decision should be left up to the state, and mainly I believe that because states are run on a more democratic level closer to the people, and are easily more easily able to represent the actual people than the federal government that's why I hold that view. I also believe that the amendments to the Constitution, and the Supreme Court should and do exercise their rights to withhold power from governments to protect people, in this case Roe versus Wade and Casey versus, forgive me I can't remember who the other party in that case was but Rowan Casey passed in the Supreme Court because of privacy right.

[38:31] That's why they were passed because the federal government the state government the city government the County Government, has no business sticking their head into your doctor's office and saying you can't get that kind of Medical Care.

[38:53] That was the understanding was that everyone had access to a doctor everyone was seeking a doctor's opinion. We don't live in that world quite in that world anymore and most people didn't then not everyone has a doctor overseeing our medical care and we're left, to make medical decisions for ourselves that we're not trained to make which is another point, we should be training our children in sex ed, and by children I mean sixth grade seventh grade eighth grade I don't mean fifth grade and Below although in some states, in some counties there are fifth grade and below that are already having sex and getting pregnant so in some instances in those counties yes they should have sex ed earlier, but we should be training sex ed because they need to know if I stick this there this will happen.

[39:57] They need to be trained about that they need to be trained in all these medical issues will what happens if I go get an abortion what's going to happen to me what's the other going to be in Revit ramifications of that had there been long-term effects of that because, yes there have been lots and lots and lots and lots of women that have been negatively impacted, by their abortion procedure not all but lots, and they needed counseling they needed to talk to someone and that kind of care just isn't provided because we're not taught to need it and, we put shame on people that find themselves in situations where they need help.

[40:44] And that's the opposite of what we should be doing especially the church especially Christians shame shouldn't be part of the conversation for us, that should never be part you should never feel shame going to your pastor going to your church, and that's not the culture that by and large we you know created as, a church as you know a whole all of us together all right so there's that there's the circular you then there's the faith you that says, life is precious God knew us before he formed us in our mother's womb he has thoughts and plans for his thoughts of to prosperous thoughts of a future and a hope, Jesus loved us so much that he came and died for us yes your faith should inform you of all of those things. Your faith should also inform you that the mother are the young lady who's being faced with this crisis in her life, got also new and knows and loves and cares for, and how would God as a father respond to that young lady.

[41:56] When she finds out how would the most perfect being in the universe respond if their child I messed up I got pregnant.

[42:07] Okay there's the hope you hope says everything's going to work out.

[42:14] How is everything going to work out if we're leaving people Stranded by the wayside. In their hour of need or we're not preparing for it we're not supporting them through it we're not walking with them through it how is Hope served in that.

[42:31] And then there's the love which we've harped on a lot in this you know context there's the love. Love does not envy love does not boast love does not build itself up, it believes all things you know this is love love I had this example of this young lady, but wasn't it hung lady but I was driving Uber Kimber fear was an Uber or Lyft ride but I was driving and this woman was in the car and she was telling me that at one point in her life she was homeless. And she was homeless because she chose to be homeless she was out with her boyfriend her boyfriend was homeless she was on drugs and she was living on the side of the road over by Lancaster in Fort Worth. And there were living there because they could get free drugs there and, every day from the day she left home to go live with her boyfriend and saw the road every day her mother brought her a warm dinner and fresh blankets.

[43:45] I told her she loved her spent time with her and her boyfriend there on the side of the road where they lived, and at the end of that she would go back home and say you're welcome home anytime she did that for three months straight every day before this girl realized, my mama actually loves me and I'm throwing my life away. Told her boyfriend they need to get clean he broke up with her she moved back into her home she found salvation and she started going to church she got involved in Ministry but it was that love, that her mother was bringing her everyday, our culture says if your kid messes up and chooses drugs and moves out and go lives on the side road with their boyfriend then you need to exercise tough love and let them learn their lesson, that's not love love brings a hot meal and a blanket fresh blanket every night.

[44:49] And while you're working through your stuff love says I'm right here when you're ready I'm right here I'm not going anywhere I love you. And that's the kind of love that God has for us sent his son to die. Cuz we were born into a nature of enmity with God, Adam and Eve. Chose enmity with God they chose a sin nature we were born into something as slaves as victims and God is sitting there going, whenever you're ready to stop being a Slave to turn away from the things that are hurting you I'm here. I'm ready. And God has also said now I want you to know that if you don't turn away from those things that are hurting you the path you're on is going to lead you there.

[46:06] Is a place called hell in your word Hell Fire Brimstone gnashing of teeth I don't want that for you. I don't want you to go there and I'm patiently waiting for you to decide that you don't want to go there either. And you don't want to continue to be hurt in your life and you don't want to continue to you know and life doesn't get perfect because life is still life. But you spiritually have a hope and life is different when you have hope you sis.

[46:46] And so that's my thoughts on this episode that isn't about row. Because it's not about Roe it's not about Casey it's not about Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard it's not about any of those things it's about are we as Christians. Loving. Those around us and living our life and portraying love and how we see and respond to those things. Because you may feel like it's a victory for Roe versus Wade to be overturned you may feel like that's a victory but your victory. Maybe someone else's crisis gone into chaos.

[47:50] And you may Jigger Victory may just be the straw that pushes them over the edge to do something drastic. Something awful something they may not survive. That's unacceptable everything to add that Pastor newms.

Pastor Newms: [48:35] We as Christians have to respond in love to all things and often we don't.

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Pastor Newms: [50:57] Just under.

Pastor Bill: [50:59] Huh and so that'll be fun we're going to do ministry there and hopefully we'll see some people there that we know from past years and some maybe some people come up and hey I found your podcast or hey I found you on Twitch or, it'll be good and then we're giving away a gaming monitor right for. Gaming with the pastors are giving away a game in monetary.

Pastor Newms: [51:24] Yes.

Pastor Bill: [51:25] Look at me with that blank face like you didn't remember we.

Pastor Newms: [51:29] I forgot I did I did forget, I was like oh yeah we are yeah.

Pastor Bill: [51:35] Yeah I was looking at them today trip try to pick out the right one, to make the art because I got to make a QR code first scanning and bekele the yard yeah so all right so that's what we got coming up I love you guys have a great.

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Pastor Bill: [51:58] And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 77 of the Green Man.

Intro And Outro Music

Pastor Bill:

[0:08] And love for the modern Christian I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by always with year to Freshly head shaven this guy this guy's here.

Pastor Newms:

[0:18] We should should we try again.

Pastor Bill:

[0:19] No I don't want you to get this guy's here.

Pastor Newms:

[0:21] Just that just that back part I'm joined as always,

we're not we're joined a lot but we're definitely not joined to always.

Pastor Bill:

[0:34] As always by he's right here if the show in part of the show you are and here is you right here.

Pastor Newms:

[0:41] Who is it tonight's going to be like this all right.

Pastor Bill:

[0:45] Tonight is all week has been like this man all week has been my brain all week has been just like that's a good example of what it's been like in my head all week long.

Pastor Newms:

[0:54] So how has your week gone since we've already.

Pastor Bill:

[0:57] That just like that all week long it's been like that it started on,

the words just were wrong from the get-go,

and it never went uphill from there you just mentally just like was like yeah yeah yeah,

so how was your week.

Pastor Newms:

[1:21] Lucas pretty good busy at work like always lots of stuff going on lots of projects so many projects,

I was was I something why didn't I are we I was still coughing and stuff still trying to get over the crud,

Phoenix I finally asked her if she had any Mucinex and it just cleared up in a day after she of course had some and,

Biggs is saying it twice.

Pastor Bill:

[1:58] I know Biggs really wants to call it,

all right so I guess we'll do that so the first weekend in June we are going to be ministering at Pride Dallas Pride,

and we will have shirts like this one for sale the one that I'm wearing if you are listening to this and you want to see the shirt then you'll have to hop on over to,

you know what actually I could just attach a picture of the shirt on to the podcast.

[2:30] Transcription so they already can see it if you listen to it right so it's got a circle of Ampersand symbols in different rainbow colors you says fully known fully loved,

responding to God's love.com first John Chapter 4 verses 9 through 10 and Isaiah 44:24 this is the theme fully known fully loved is the theme of all of the March that will have,

pride and then we'll have you know we'll be there in our Free Hug shirts giving out free hugs and well,

we'll have a brief Manifesto little section and we'll have a gaming with the pastor section will have the merch section and,

it's going to be a good time where we're going to love on folks so,

this week I'm wearing this shirt next week I'll wear a different pattern of one of the shirts were selling and then the next week oh we're different pattern and the next few cars are better and then the last Sunday before Pride I'll actually Where My Free Hug sure.

Pastor Newms:

[3:28] Or we just wear all of them at once just like arm arm over your face.

Pastor Bill:

[3:34] This is this is not an episode of Friends that's.

Pastor Newms:

[3:39] I don't know what you're talking about.

Pastor Bill:

[3:40] So this episode of Friends where um one either Chandler Chandler Joey Chandler Chandler sleeps with Joey's girlfriend,

I think that's what it was anyway Joey goes into Chandler's closet and puts on every piece of clothing the channel owns all at the same time,

and then comes across the hall into the girl's apartment where they're all hanging out and he's like you do this to me I'm going to wear all your clothes at the same time and tenders like how is that even.

[4:25] Or maybe you just kissed his girlfriend anyway it was an overreaction but yeah he was wearing all of all of Chandler's closing all the same time.

Pastor Newms:

[4:34] I was thinking it was an under reaction but okay.

Pastor Bill:

[4:36] And he was like and he was like could I be any more overdressed no mocking Chandler's thanks okay obviously you were not a friend an avid friends fan.

Pastor Newms:

[4:50] No we my aunt's were definitely huge is it my wait for a car to your Weaver card.

Pastor Bill:

[5:04] It's definitely my week for a card.

Pastor Newms:

[5:22] How's it going you going to finish it at or I have to.

Pastor Bill:

[5:25] My little groggy get addicted to do do do.

Pastor Newms:

[5:32] That's fun okay.

Pastor Bill:

[5:33] All right I will pull the card not just any card the next card.

Pastor Newms:

[5:39] Get to know the pastor's.

Pastor Bill:

[5:41] Groggy says his parents liked friends I think you guys are trying to insult me you were saying your aunt's he's saying his parents I'm like I'm not that old guys I'm only a few years older than you are.

Pastor Newms:

[5:53] 17 I agree.

Pastor Bill:

[5:56] 17

Pastor Newms:

[5:57] Yeah you're 17 years older than I am.

Pastor Bill:

[6:01] I'm not 17 years old.

Pastor Newms:

[6:04] Yes you are a true like 97.

Pastor Bill:

[6:05] All right you ready.

Pastor Newms:

[6:11] No I'm never ready for your card.

Pastor Bill:

[6:14] What's one bad habit you're trying to get rid of.

Pastor Newms:

[6:34] I don't think I'm actively trying to get rid of any habits,

I don't think.

[6:47] I don't think so I don't think I'm actively getting rid of anything.

Pastor Bill:

[6:55] It's not going to actually try and get rid of any bad habits.

Pastor Newms:

[6:58] I don't think I am right now what about you.

Pastor Bill:

[7:05] Bad habits.

Pastor Newms:

[7:06] I think we're going to pull another card I think this one doesn't work for us.

Pastor Bill:

[7:14] I forget to eat until my wife or one of my kids reminds me that Foods a thing so that counts a bad habit today.

Pastor Newms:

[7:22] Are you actively trying to not do that.

Pastor Bill:

[7:25] No I guess we'll pull another car.

Pastor Newms:

[7:28] I won't consider eating sugar a bad habit that's an addiction slightly different.

Pastor Bill:

[7:35] How would you like to die that sounds like the weird start to a Tinder conversation.

Pastor Newms:

[7:47] How would I like to die.

[7:53] Can everyone hear my chair squeaking when I'm rocking back and forth.

Pastor Bill:

[7:57] I cannot hear your chair know.

Pastor Newms:

[8:00] I think it's actually like bouncing up and down the green bar when I do it because I was just thinking and I saw it hmm interesting.

Pastor Bill:

[8:08] How would I like to die.

Pastor Newms:

[8:11] I mean realistically,

I would like to die quick pain painless when I'm asleep like you know just out is what I'm going to say for our podcast that goes out to everyone,

yeah that's what I'm going to say for our podcast church night.

Pastor Bill:

[8:49] I don't care how I just get it over with.

Pastor Newms:

[8:52] I do I will I will say quickly in both ways,

both on the timescale and in as it's happening I've always had a very much a,

Paul belief of die is gain,

if I have to be here it's just because of,

no no I would not want to die in a battle axe dual because my fear would be one,

you probably die slowly bleeding.

Pastor Bill:

[9:30] So that came from bat-brains on YouTube the battle ax dual suggestion that newms is responding to.

Pastor Newms:

[9:39] I couldn't it's always like to kill someone it's not how I would like to die it'd be very painful slowly getting hacked up it would be epic yes.

Pastor Bill:

[9:51] Hear why it's gonna die of cholesterol buildup this is currently eating a bag of Rolos.

[10:11] That's funny.

Pastor Newms:

[10:13] All right yeah that's too bad questions for you.

Pastor Bill:

[10:19] Yeah dude should I pull the third card now or.

Pastor Newms:

[10:21] Sure because.

Pastor Bill:

[10:22] Just going to keep this big going.

Pastor Newms:

[10:23] We we've wasted four minutes exactly and no one knows us any better other than we're both not working on any bad habits and want to die easily I mean that's kind of weird dudes that's not exactly.

Pastor Bill:

[10:37] Weird dudes.

Pastor Newms:

[10:39] Why are you putting cards back over and over again.

Pastor Bill:

[10:41] Huh.

Pastor Newms:

[10:45] Anyone who's watching can see you your chair is higher now.

Pastor Bill:

[10:49] We talking about.

[10:58] I'm just trying to find a good one.

Pastor Newms:

[11:00] Pick a card.

Pastor Bill:

[11:01] I'm picking the card I have to read them if I will pick one.

Pastor Newms:

[11:06] Oh we're going to get through your deck tonight if you keep flipping cards like that you're crazy you're crazy.

[11:22] All right you're done you're done.

Pastor Bill:

[11:24] Play you in a movie.

Pastor Newms:

[11:24] Circle you're back to the beginning of your cards we've pulled that card before.

Pastor Bill:

[11:35] Because then all these other cards I would have recognized that come after it which I do every last one of them.

Pastor Newms:

[11:46] Yeah okay so.

Pastor Bill:

[11:47] We've gone through this whole deck so for the ones I skipped.

Pastor Newms:

[11:52] If you were writing an autobiography if you were writing an autobiography what would the book's title be besides your name.

Pastor Bill:

[12:02] Life sucks and then you die.

Pastor Newms:

[12:06] I once told people mine would just be Hoops still here.

Pastor Bill:

[12:12] I'm still here.

Pastor Newms:

[12:16] Living extremely Reckless for several years and then just Hoops till here.

Pastor Bill:

[12:22] Living extremely extremely Reckless wreck Ritz.

Pastor Newms:

[12:27] That I just I don't know I don't know how I'm here oops let's figure it out.

Pastor Bill:

[12:39] You still here don't know how I did that but I did it.

Pastor Newms:

[12:43] Oops still here what about you billion oh life sucks and then you die.

Pastor Bill:

[12:50] Yeah life sucks and then you die the autobiography of William Andrew Shay.

Pastor Newms:

[12:57] Alright alright alright,

I didn't know she was in here that scared me Kai's usually not in my office and so her bark made me jump.

Pastor Bill:

[13:12] I think Biggs would be it was not an accident.

Pastor Newms:

[13:16] Next.

Pastor Bill:

[13:17] The life.

Pastor Newms:

[13:18] The song is your life insurance doesn't know that that's good.

Pastor Bill:

[13:23] The last story of David Biggs holding it was not an accident.

Pastor Newms:

[13:27] Yeah oops.

[13:41] Now listening to my wife try to coax the dog quietly while Whispering from the end of the room is.

Pastor Bill:

[13:49] What about Justin Timberlake.

Pastor Newms:

[13:51] Alright okay.

Pastor Bill:

[13:54] His would be it's going to be met the autobiography of Justin Timberlake.

Pastor Newms:

[14:00] It's going to be me wow all right so straight into the topic here we go because we are done getting to know each other not tonight.

Pastor Bill:

[14:10] All right so we're still in Acts I had a little bit of a moment this week where I thought we were going to be in first Timothy but then after about an hour of study I realized,

it was an intrusive thought or something I don't know what it was but it wasn't the topic for tonight.

Pastor Newms:

[14:29] Maybe it was just something to get your mind working for a later topic.

Pastor Bill:

[14:33] Maybe it's weird though because it was the one about physical exercise and I don't really do that already so yeah Total Physical.

Pastor Newms:

[14:41] Not doing it.

Pastor Bill:

[14:42] Profiteth little,

it was about you know you shouldn't be wasting your time on honing the gains because it profiteth little,

I said that right is up the way bodybuilders talk the gains all right.

Pastor Newms:

[15:04] It depends on your need for gains and why you're getting gains whether it would profit little or not if that your only thing is to look sexy yeah probably.

Pastor Bill:

[15:13] Almost everything you just said went over my head so.

Pastor Newms:

[15:17] Okay it's been that kind of week two.

Pastor Bill:

[15:22] We're in Acts chapter 2 and we're going to be looking at verses 42 through 47 so let's start there,

they have a whoo,

they that early church because in the verse before this he talked about that day about three thousand people were added to them to the Believers,

they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching to the fellowship to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

[15:57] Everyone is filled with awe and Many Wonders and signs were being performed through the apostles,

now all the Believers were together and held all things in common they sold their possessions and property and distributed,

the proceeds all as any had need every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple and broke bread from house to house they ate their food with joyful and sincere hearts,

praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people every Lord added to their number those who were being saved,

and once again we have to keep in mind that those that are being added to their number are solely Jews at this,

they this none of these are Gentiles none of these are non,

descendants of Israel there these are all Jews because they didn't believe that salvation in the Holy Spirit,

were for the Gentiles yet they believed it was still only for the Jews and that salvation wasn't for the Gentiles,

which is kind of a.

[17:13] I don't know it's kind of a rough rough thing to consolidate in your head that they're like yeah we need to save as many Jews as possible so that,

in the resurrection,

they'll be found worthy of Eternity with God and everyone else is going to go to the pits of Tartarus and and live in torment and because for all eternity because it's not for them it's just for us,

the worldview man The worldview Who.

Pastor Newms:

[17:44] It's definitely an interesting world view yes,

and I think it's one of those where it's like okay and that's why I think when the Revelation was given later that it was for everyone it was very much like a oh my gosh,

oh crud why didn't I think about that you know I oh we should have known that like that that should have been obvious.

Pastor Bill:

[18:15] Cuz you could you could convert him to come and you,

and so then I guess technically you would qualify for what the disciples and the apostles thought about salvation.

Pastor Newms:

[18:32] Technically.

Pastor Bill:

[18:34] Technically.

Pastor Newms:

[18:36] It would be a definitely a very interesting thought process definitely the,

one of the things I always find to be interesting with situations like that is is is those moments where,

I come to Jesus moment where it's like,

oh oh I was so wrong oh crud I've been wrong for years and years oh crud I don't know what I'm doing now you know and,

having that aspect is it would definitely be sombering to say the least because it's like oh no,

you got it you got it you got to worry about you gotta wonder I mean how,

worried Peter and and Paul and just everybody was at that moment going,

oh no we've missed out for a little while now like this wasn't like two or three days.

Pastor Bill:

[19:39] I just think it's funny to put myself in their in their shoes,

Peter has this Revelation from God that salvation is for everyone later in Acts and we'll know we'll get there eventually,

and he comes back and he's like hey did you guys realize this was for everyone and their response it doesn't record it quite like this but their response is we're so glad James took over for you as the leader of the church,

man that could not have happened soon enough you are crazy bro that is some next-level crazy.

Pastor Newms:

[20:17] And then it's like oh wait crowd he's right.

Pastor Bill:

[20:18] And then it's slowly they're like oh that actually makes sense hey James did you know this and James is probably like,

yeah I was with Jesus Peter you were with Jesus too how come you didn't understand I'm Peter.

Pastor Newms:

[20:36] I'm Peter.

Pastor Bill:

[20:38] You want to know how to knit a net I can tell you that you want to know how to catch fish I can tell you that.

Pastor Newms:

[20:43] I'm really good at cutting off ears.

Pastor Bill:

[20:45] I got some sword skills but man.

Pastor Newms:

[20:49] Clean cut clean cut.

Pastor Bill:

[20:50] This theology stuff I'm still getting there man.

Pastor Newms:

[20:53] It definitely,

it's one of those where and we've talked about this before it truly shows the,

fact that as Christians as people as humans we are allowed to grow,

there are times when we're wrong there are times when we're right there are times when we're right but wrong,

like when you when you got the right thing but you got it at the wrong time or the wrong situation or the wrong person you know there are you know,

it's interesting when you look at things like that because it's like oh snot.

Pastor Bill:

[21:38] And then it's definitely one of those major themes of the book of Acts that they grew and they learned and they changed I mean heck Paul goes from going by Saul and,

literally holding people's coats so they can throw stones at a stoning to killing Christians himself to becoming a Christian,

and asking people to call him by his Jewish name instead of his Roman name Paul and says salt.

Pastor Newms:

[22:13] Oh you started fading out.

Pastor Bill:

[22:17] Um that's that's some major growth.

Pastor Newms:

[22:22] So Pastor Bill is trying to say something but we're not sure what that is and he's Frozen with a great look on his face.

Pastor Bill:

[22:28] I said that's a major growth Arc right there.

Pastor Newms:

[22:32] Yeah we got going so it was going from holding coats to killing himself too,

robot robot robot robot robot silence Frozen robot robot what I said was so.

Pastor Bill:

[22:50] Becoming a Christian and going by his Jewish name instead of his Roman name Paul instead of salt,

that's a major growth Arc.

Pastor Newms:

[23:07] And and the church themselves it's interesting to see often,

you know where it started where it's at it appears the big two bigs took a screenshot of it I didn't this time.

Pastor Bill:

[23:24] You guys and your screenshots.

Pastor Newms:

[23:28] Only when you're that Frozen because it's just fun,

it's interesting to see some of the,

changes,

as the church grew and as people,

we're given Revelations and were learning things and more you know it's interesting to see,

that growth and then it's interesting to see what didn't change you know some things didn't,

and the understanding of certain things as the books are written in as you know when you look at,

the gospels and then you look at the early church and then you look at the early church but slightly later they're definitely different themes and.

Pastor Bill:

[24:24] As far as the church is concerned I mean hear their meeting everyday,

it going to the temple to have a meals together and they do this is a daily thing that they're doing and then later you know Paul gets saved,

Paul Works serves in the church for 18 years before he think of that in the ministry on his own

and then we see in his writings he start to referencing things that the church wasn't doing before like meeting on the first day of the week,

to have a service and not so much meaning everyday anymore they're doing their normal lives every day they're just getting together on the first day of the week,

and you know doing Ministry to each other the first day of the week instead of being together everyday,

so it's interesting that within that first two decades or so,

they went from we're all in we're kind of share everything we have and everything belongs to everybody and we're going to sell all we have and and you know be one body and then within two years within 20 years,

um they more resembled just the weekly Church like we have now,

and that's just really really interesting I don't even want to call that growth I want to call that,

complacency Maybe.

Pastor Newms:

[25:52] I want to call it.

Pastor Bill:

[25:54] Because while they were being hunted they were so meaning every day and then once Christianity became mainstream they dropped it to start it only meeting once a week.

Pastor Newms:

[26:06] I think it's also just the aspect of.

[26:14] Lifestyles and making disciples and bringing people in,

there is a time of well now what.

Pastor Bill:

[26:34] It almost gets that pyramid scheme.

Pastor Newms:

[26:36] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[26:37] Vibe of unsustainability you know,

like we came in we saw everything we had now I have nothing left to contribute or meeting every day I'm not making an income to contribute we're all literally just living off of the incomes of the new people that come in when they then sell everything they have,

okay.

Pastor Newms:

[26:56] And so it's definitely it's definitely at a certain point where you go okay we have to you know,

there are some people who should be spending all of their time studying and I and you know that's when you start to get the church hierarchies that's when you start to get the you know all of those aspects.

Pastor Bill:

[27:22] And they did two at the beginning they had that whole everything is everybody,

point of view if we look at Acts chapter 4 starting in verse 32 now the entire group of those who believed were one heart and mind and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own,

but instead they held everything in common,

with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus and great grace was on all of them,

for there was not a needy person among them because all those who own lands or houses sold them brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid them at the apostles feet,

this was then distributed to each person as any had need Joseph A levite from Cyprus by birth the one the apostles called Barnabas this is the guy that later than goes,

Paul,

to some Ministry which is translated son of encouragement sold a field he owned brought the money and laid it at the apostles feet,

and that was a common thing for them to do but yeah completely unsustainable.

Pastor Newms:

[28:37] Cuz you get to a point where all right where are we living.

Pastor Bill:

[28:49] I mean understand we can we can make a farm we can you know maybe so.

Pastor Newms:

[28:54] Not if we sold all the.

Pastor Bill:

[28:55] From the farm but where are we going to get the land we yeah we sold the land.

Pastor Newms:

[28:59] Yeah we sold all our land we sold all our.

Pastor Bill:

[29:01] Yeah so like.

Pastor Newms:

[29:03] It does get to a point where you're like.

Pastor Bill:

[29:06] So this whole argument where people like we you know the first church was they were socialists they were communists.

Pastor Newms:

[29:12] Well now.

[29:19] I will say though they continued in taking care of the weak and the sick and the Widow you know that part wasn't and we as the modern Church,

you know some churches are getting back to it,

we clear a lot of churches are doing really good work but there for a long time the church as a whole,

that went straight to the Wayside.

Pastor Bill:

[29:49] But even here in the early church when they realized it wasn't sustainable,

and yeah nobody had any meat that's great but it was completely unsustainable even then while James is still on the scene right because we've talked about the higher art the leadership of the church,

Peter James then Paul before Paul took over while James is still a myth you know leading the church,

he boils it down and says you know what we're to take care of Orphans and widows,

that's it everybody else is on your own go figure it out.

Pastor Newms:

[30:24] And it's because you know it's sustainability you know if everyone sells their property where we sleeping everyone hanging out at the apostles house are they did they sell theirs if everyone.

Pastor Bill:

[30:36] Well they did have by the time Paul was converted they were all on the run which nobody owned anything so they could be on the Run,

um so you know the Holy Spirit worked it out in their favor in that manner but they basically lived in these giant tent settlements they would set up these tents that could all just be broken down thrown on their back and moved at a moment's notice,

and they taught started teaching everyone how to make.

[31:11] And they would make the tents and they would sell the tents and so it kind of you know they started learning a trade,

and this is where you hear about Paul being a tentmaker and the whole Tent Maker anointing and all you're going to be a Ministry you got to be a tentmaker you meaning you can't be full-time Ministry you have to have a job to to support,

being in Ministry you got you're going to be a 10 maker you got to you got to be making an income,

which again you don't want to be a burden on Believers and at the same time,

some people are called to full-time Ministry and they are due pay,

it's a thing now are they do millions of dollars pay year,

probably not I say probably because that's really none of my business that's between them and God probably not are they do hundreds of thousands a year maybe depending on the size of the church,

you know what workers worth is wage and so they just have to fill that out with you know between them and their board and and with the Lord and figure out you know,

yeah is a tentmaker type thing is this a is this the thing where the church can pay you and so yeah.

[32:37] I try to be nobody wants to buy my chance well very few people want to buy my tents so but that's neither here nor there,

which people wanted to buy my tents I'm a committed tentmaker.

Pastor Newms:

[32:59] You do work hard when there's work.

Pastor Bill:

[33:00] When there's work to be done oh man I don't,

I don't get it why so I have such a hard time getting hired Greg he says he'll buy a tent thank you groggy I appreciate it but I don't think you can afford my tents anyway no junk.

Pastor Newms:

[33:27] You know I was.

Pastor Bill:

[33:28] I don't literally make tents let's let's just put that out there not a.

Pastor Newms:

[33:34] Tent from you if you were making a tense in actuality I'm clear on that I support you and so many you know best friend ways I'm buying a tent,

trust I might from from your from from from Bad Brains like nice crocheted.

Pastor Bill:

[33:52] Crocheted take you know that wouldn't keep anything out weather-wise I mean you be warm you definitely be warm in there but if it started raining.

Pastor Newms:

[34:01] Now that's for the inside of the regular 10.

Pastor Bill:

[34:06] I'll just make a crochet 10 that go on the inside of the tent as if tents aren't hot enough already.

Pastor Newms:

[34:12] And then and then you put one on the outside to be pretty.

Pastor Bill:

[34:15] Oh my goodness.

Pastor Newms:

[34:16] Yeah igloo.

Pastor Bill:

[34:20] How many thousands of dollars that would cost to crochet.

Pastor Newms:

[34:22] I will I will let bat-brains do that math for me and tell me at some point when she wants to but.

Pastor Bill:

[34:34] So many schemes of yarn so many.

Pastor Newms:

[34:37] So many the I had something it was good.

Pastor Bill:

[34:50] You were going to say something.

Pastor Newms:

[34:52] But it's definitely like a situation like the Ecclesia house you know we don't have any paid staff currently.

Pastor Bill:

[35:02] All right well while you're trying to remember what you were going to say oh wait I guess I'm frozen.

Pastor Newms:

[35:05] I remember are you frozen again oh he's Frozen again he doesn't exist he can't hear my good idea.

Pastor Bill:

[35:13] He's trying to figure out what he was going to say but while he's Frozen.

Pastor Newms:

[35:15] A good one and he doesn't just.

Pastor Bill:

[35:16] Um here on the podcast you should go read Acts chapter 5 about what happens when,

you lie to the Holy Spirit and then.

Pastor Newms:

[35:29] He's almost back he's robot.

Pastor Bill:

[35:31] For it so.

Pastor Newms:

[35:33] He's almost back.

Pastor Bill:

[35:35] Am I back on the line.

Pastor Newms:

[35:37] He's almost back.

Pastor Bill:

[35:38] No I'm not back on the live at all I just lost.

Pastor Newms:

[35:40] Maybe nope he's still gone sadly.

Pastor Bill:

[35:44] Should go read acts 5 about and a nice and Sapphira they sold a piece of land and then they keep back a portion of it and.

Pastor Newms:

[35:57] Can y'all hear him and just I can't hear him.

Pastor Bill:

[35:59] To give that portion I am back on the line I was just telling the podcast about,

go ahead and read an X5 to follow up with what we're talking about tonight about selling all you have and giving and ananias and Sapphira you know making a sale,

and yeah and then lying about it.

Pastor Newms:

[36:21] Yeah not a good idea.

Pastor Bill:

[36:21] My restream chat and give just completely.

Pastor Newms:

[36:26] What you're having some internet hiccups you're definitely having some internet issues at the moment,

one thing I was thinking and this was just something that I came to me when I was in conversation with I don't remember whom today I talked to a lot of people today,

we need to after the event we need to put up some of the shirts and stuff for people to buy.

Pastor Bill:

[37:02] Yes.

Pastor Newms:

[37:04] That needs to be I know you have a personal store but we should set up a,

either a church store or it goes to your personal I don't know how that any of that stuff kind of works I don't do any type of Commerce but now I was talking to two bigs about it at lunch.

[37:31] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[37:34] And this is everyone's least favorite design of everyone that I pulled that's why I started with this one tonight you know start with the least favorite and get onto the favorites after that.

Pastor Newms:

[37:47] I'm going to be honest I didn't like it looking at it,

in Black in camera it's not as bad as just the design.

Pastor Bill:

[38:03] Yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[38:14] But.

[38:18] I think that it's actually not as bad as I thought it was.

Pastor Bill:

[38:26] As I'm a good bottle.

Pastor Newms:

[38:27] Biggs that's that's exactly what it is good job.

Pastor Bill:

[38:30] It's how big the canvas is that I create to show off the it's the wide canvas aspect.

Pastor Newms:

[38:40] What is just a small picture it's not any good but on a full-size canvas it's.

Pastor Bill:

[38:45] Full size canvas like my chest,

right so this week go read chapter 5 of X find out about ananias and Sapphira,

and then I sells the they sell the property and then and then he brings the money but he lies to the Holy Spirit and it's not about,

when you read it it's not about,

whether or not they gave one hundred percent of the sale price it's about the fact that they said yes it's 100% And then it actually wasn't.

Pastor Newms:

[39:23] Yeah it's that aspect of of you know.

Pastor Bill:

[39:29] Wow.

Pastor Newms:

[39:30] Even what.

Pastor Bill:

[39:31] She brought me a picture of a okay okay that's very hippie is it crochet tent.

Pastor Newms:

[39:39] Oof.

Pastor Bill:

[39:39] And a crocheted glamper.

[39:47] I just put the flash does images up onto the the livestream so if you're listening on the podcast and you want to see the crocheted tent you will have to go to Facebook twitch or YouTube and scroll forward to about,

47 minutes in to see the,

crocheted glamper and the crochets tent image.

Pastor Newms:

[40:11] Yeah it is it's busy and they definitely used whatever they had laying around.

Pastor Bill:

[40:18] What they did is they made smaller pieces and then put them together so.

Pastor Newms:

[40:25] I mean obviously.

Pastor Bill:

[40:27] Yeah they didn't just crochet one giant piece no that would be insane.

Pastor Newms:

[40:34] But you would think if you were going to do that yes bat-brains it was so ugly,

if you were going to do that you would do patterns that complemented each other,

those particular ones looked like what you would see at a festival where there are wild.

Pastor Bill:

[40:51] Poor people are doing LSD yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[40:53] Growing you know that's I think that's the only way you could enjoy that.

Pastor Bill:

[40:58] Welcome to Woodstock back there we've got the crochet 10th that's where you're going to get your vegetables,

hey vegetables and then over next to that there's the crocheted glamper you're gonna go over there and get some grass like grass I mean we'd,

and by the way I you know what I mean.

Pastor Newms:

[41:17] Billy.

[41:22] That was that was terrible yeah anywho,

yeah that was uh oh I'm scared,

what did you post groggy.

Pastor Bill:

[41:43] It's a guy he put a link to a clip in the twitch chat.

Pastor Newms:

[41:51] Oh he put a link to you showing he clipped it for us.

Pastor Bill:

[41:56] Oh he clipped me showing the crochet tent and crochet glamper.

Pastor Newms:

[41:59] So you could so that way if you wanted you could put it in the in the release notes for people to see so they would then easily find our well he's our twitch,

look it groggy.

Pastor Bill:

[42:16] That sure does look good man I like that.

Pastor Newms:

[42:18] It does it looks good on you and that comes from someone who didn't like the shirt at all.

Pastor Bill:

[42:25] Even like this design it does it looks good nice.

Pastor Newms:

[42:29] Not even a little but yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[42:32] Cool thank you groggy I appreciate you clipping that and I will definitely put that link in the,

transcription for people to click on so there has a fast forward to 47 minutes into the live but this podcast does come out live we record it live on Sunday evenings at 6:30.

Pastor Newms:

[42:51] Wait why are we wrapping up we have 10 more minutes.

Pastor Bill:

[42:52] Central Standard time it was just a really good segue we can just keep talking after it but it was a good Segway into the the info.

Pastor Newms:

[42:59] Well I killed it so.

Pastor Bill:

[43:01] Killed it you killed the Segway yeah so my three year old,

um has has come to use the restroom by himself he didn't bring anyone to help him,

and now he's telling me he's done using the restroom and I'm saying that on the livestream and hearing about 30 to 45 seconds that's brain is gonna hear it in the living room and be like oh my gosh.

Pastor Newms:

[43:23] Come take care of it yeah that is funny that he came in there without there's been some funny moments this past week with him as he,

has been learning to use the restroom fully by himself.

Pastor Bill:

[43:41] He's learning the etiquette of daddy I'm done so.

Pastor Newms:

[43:47] It's been it's been a lot of fun this week as we were doing things.

Pastor Bill:

[43:53] Right so spot this comes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you get your podcast and if you'd like to join us live you can do so that we do this on

twitch Facebook and YouTube you can go to our website www.marykay.co.uk/awilliam stretch which YouTube and which Facebook,

that we do this on live and you can join us in the peak of the clackety chatty thing we have some regulars to join us and we have some,

people who come every once in awhile and then we would like to throw the chat to just be full of people asking questions just agreeing giving input creating bunny trails that we can try not to go down,

just all kinds of things just just a lot of interaction it would be really awesome,

because that's the style of thing we want to do we want to have it be you know a group of thing a group event more than just the two of us being Talking Heads but more interaction the more interaction love about.

Pastor Newms:

[45:00] Because we talk to each other a lot almost.

[45:16] But we talk to each other all the time we don't we don't need to talk to each other anymore.

Pastor Bill:

[45:22] Yes we do.

Pastor Newms:

[45:25] Well I'm not saying it from I'm saying there's no reason to have this.

Pastor Bill:

[45:29] Yay.

Pastor Newms:

[45:30] Utah oh my gosh here we go guys this is what I have to put up with every day,

um no but we want the interaction in the end the people Linda the talking and because that's,

you know this started if you go back to you know the beginning episodes the first Parts when we were alive they you know we're in restaurants.

Pastor Bill:

[45:54] Well in the very beginning beginning I was releasing a podcast today and then we were meeting once a week.

Pastor Newms:

[46:02] Sustainable look at what we did.

Pastor Bill:

[46:04] We were meeting once a week and trying to then discuss okay so all the podcasts that came out this week what you learn what you want to talk about with you and then we net we you know narrow that down to okay just one podcaster week,

and I would release it and then everyone have a whole week to be able to listen to it and we'd get together on Sunday and nobody would have listened to it and nobody was ready to interact and nobody was and and you know,

we just kind of we move on from there and so now with covid now we're here.

Pastor Newms:

[46:40] Which is a completely different place but it's a good place.

Pastor Bill:

[46:46] So bad Blaze should differ.

Pastor Newms:

[46:47] No just different and we're continuing to grow.

Pastor Bill:

[46:51] Heart of this was always Fellowship face-to-face being able to interact being able to say your piece being able to ask questions.

[47:06] Anyway that's why we encourage people to come Live While We're recording the podcast and be a part of what's going on so there's that all right you have anything you want to add to the topic for tonight.

Pastor Newms:

[47:19] No

Pastor Bill:

[47:22] You were pretty chatty about this topic more chatty than I expected you to be.

Pastor Newms:

[47:26] I mean it's valid since we're doing throwbacks.

Pastor Bill:

[47:29] You said it's valid.

Pastor Newms:

[47:33] You know it's one of those things where it's important to look at,

everything like we always talked about you know don't take the two verses you want to look at,

out of contacts don't take you know it's that whole like you hear some people talk about the,

innocence fire that's why you can't lie to preachers you're like no that's,

that's not what God's not going to strike you down for fibbing God's Gonna strike strike you down,

to make a point because you lied to the Holy Spirit multiple times to make yourself look better,

not oops I made a boo-boo I said you know I said the wrong thing I did the wrong thing you know it was blatant we're going to do this and we know what we're doing and we know it's wrong but,

we're going to do it and make ourselves still look.

Pastor Bill:

[48:45] Nobody's going to know they'll never know you know that whole audio Tick Tock nobody'll ever know they'll never know they knew,

they knew when you said it and drop down dead in there.

Pastor Newms:

[49:04] Well and let's be honest,

if everyone in an area are selling their properties and and giving to the church and those types of things right,

it's pretty obvious what properties are worth and so when it's like here's everything we have you guys weren't this poor.

Pastor Bill:

[49:33] You either got ripped off or you lying right.

Pastor Newms:

[49:50] Yeah,

we do we do sometimes still have the fellowship in the living room at the same time because when groggy is here it's it's zadie groggy in Phoenix and sometimes the girls all in the same room but it would be,

nice to I do agree with Sadie that I do miss everyone's face every week.

[50:20] I just realized why,

I don't like the design it just came to me it's not equal.

[50:37] That's why you moved a certain way and I went oh yeah that.

[50:48] I just.

Pastor Bill:

[50:48] If you say so.

Pastor Newms:

[50:50] My OCD doesn't like the fact that there's not an equal number of a Sands because of the word loved.

[51:03] Which is fine because of everything it you know,

but that's that's the reason because the shirt crinkled and I went oh.

Pastor Bill:

[51:14] It's fully known and and and and and and and fully loved.

Pastor Newms:

[51:18] No that's just how many times we have to keep saying it for people to believe it sometimes.

Pastor Bill:

[51:24] Seven times if you hear something 7 times before sinks in.

Pastor Newms:

[51:28] Yeah but no for the known in Philadelphia but no fully known it but no full enough.

Pastor Bill:

[51:37] Then we get the all you mean fully known and still full no no no no don't add words to what I'm saying that's not what the scripture says this is fully known and there is no,

still there is a there are yet stills,

in the Jewish scriptures in the early New Testament where it says Point Blank we hated God,

yet still but it never says you were a sinner and even still no it was you chose sin and still,

hmm the message is God knows you fully and God loves you fully,

we're not having a conversation about whether or not you're perfect because if you've been listening to breed Manifesto,

we believe everyone should be trying to grow and better themselves and no one is perfect period,

not as an insult not as a slight not as a try to get out of something

trying to get out of saying something no we're not doing that we literally believe everyone should be moving forward everyone should be growing and changing and getting better,

Anyway come and join us at Dallas Pride.

Pastor Newms:

[53:02] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[53:02] On June 4th what was that face you just made.

Pastor Newms:

[53:09] My my my computer did something I didn't want it to and I don't know why but it.

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Pastor Newms:

[53:22] It just kind of sideways itself.

Pastor Bill:

[53:30] All right well that's all we have for tonight I love you have a great week.

Pastor Newms:

[53:37] Be safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

[53:38] And until next time.

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Pastor Newms: [0:04] Hello and welcome to episode 49 season. Pastor Bill: [0:15] Season 3 episode 71 of the Berean Manifesto: Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Pastor Newms: [0:20] You should read you should redo that because the hello and welcome was gone for some reason you either did it too loud so your Mike turns you off or or something it just ignored you completely oh. Pastor Bill: [0:31] I didn't do it at all because you did it. Pastor Newms: [0:33] Is now just ruined the intro I don't care what you do. Pastor Bill: [0:39] You'll make it do the intro again since you ruined it we get the one that ruined it. Pastor Newms: [0:45] Live his life y'all see all the bloopers all the bloopers all the Jonathan playing a game on his phone Olive. Pastor Bill: [0:54] I'll Jonathan play on. Pastor Newms: [0:56] No there is no yes doesn't he look so weird Biggs, he caught me off guard. Pastor Bill: [1:08] For those of you out in podcast land yeah I. Pastor Newms: [1:14] That's not no. Pastor Bill: [1:15] My beard to extremeness. Pastor Newms: [1:16] That's not trimming up your beard you shaved your face. Pastor Bill: [1:23] Look it's there. Pastor Newms: [1:35] Actually that's more hair that's on my head right cuz I did not do what I normally do I actually got like the pit bull for headed razor and because we were going somewhere new today and so I was like I got to look decent cuz I can't embarrass the person who invited me because that's rude you know that's just. Pastor Bill: [2:06] Yes because it would be embarrassing if you had hair on top. Pastor Newms: [2:17] My week was very very very busy I spent a whole bunch of time working on the reports at work and getting ready for meetings that are going to happen while I'm out of town on vacation and next week is going to be even busier in preparation for vacation which this is the reason I don't even like taking vacation to be honest like I hate vacations because I have to make sure to work harder before and then harder after the vacation and so it gets to a point where it's like why why just why like I get it mental health and sing to you of stuff and human beings need rest and and all that other crap that drives me nuts but God I hate it so much I just, and Biggs you already know the answer to the question so I don't know why you just didn't answer your wife when she asked this week with St Patty's. Pastor Bill: [3:32] Some this week was St. Patrick's Day. Pastor Newms: [3:33] Um and for St. Patrick's Day every year in the past I used to throw a party and at said party we would watch yeah. Pastor Bill: [3:48] Good old Irish soiree. Pastor Newms: [3:51] Boondock Saints 1 & 2, you but you knew you didn't have to act like you're being silly sir and so this year we decided would be the first year that we would include the children in and watching it. Pastor Bill: [4:14] Which wasn't. Pastor Newms: [4:15] It's. Pastor Bill: [4:16] The best. Pastor Newms: [4:17] It wasn't horrible it wasn't horrible. Pastor Bill: [4:18] Wasn't horrible. Pastor Newms: [4:20] There was there was there was one. Pastor Bill: [4:21] It wasn't the best idea. Pastor Newms: [4:22] There's one scene there was one. Pastor Bill: [4:25] There was some crying let's just say that. Pastor Newms: [4:27] That is that is real intense and every year I've seen this movie to the point where I can literally quote it and people that know me that's near impossible because I don't remember anything but I can literally quote these movies and so I've seen it a bunch and I'm sitting there do to do to do to do the thing happens that happens and I jump every time every time and I jumped Tina jumped and Zoe just started right Rayne just Rayne lost her mind and started crying, it's a valid cry. I cry at different parts of the movie but that's fine and so you know, the we threw a full thing we did sugar-free Jell-O that was green we did Green, Sprite we did root beer in the glass bottles that come with cane sugar because we have found that cane sugar is a type of sugar that Sarah can have in moderation, because it's more natural as opposed to the sugars that make her sick so she can have it in moderation, so she was able to enjoy one of those we died chocolate chip cookies green I made a green yellow cake Biggs must have ate all of the cookies that we brought to him. And so this is good time it's just a good time and is the first time the girls had seen the movie and of course I'm a fan because for any of you out there in video land. You know there's a giant poster behind me of the first movie so which I actually got asked about for work because there's one specific doctor that I work with who I was like hey we should be you know since since it's just the two of us let's jump on camera and I'm like okay cool and I jump on camera if he's like okay before we get started this train we just got on the settee before we get started I got to ask you what what's all your accessories behind you and I'm like oh crud now he sees just this this part of the room so it's you do not as much is on camera but it was it was it was humorous I was like ooh. Pastor Bill: [6:53] I feel like these are The Boondock Saints and this is cholo Mander. Pastor Newms: [7:00] Cholo cholo Mander is of course knew from a couple of weeks ago when they decided to put a hat on Charmander and, I'm sorry homeboy looks like a cholo with the hat all the way down I'll just because the way his cheeks are the expression the way is it just it works and so. Pastor Bill: [7:21] But he's like he's like the cholo from Ant-Man when he's like like you know what I mean you know like you know what I mean it's great as happy and you know he's like. Pastor Newms: [7:32] He's freeza freeza friendly but um. Pastor Bill: [7:36] Super friendly. Pastor Newms: [7:40] I didn't realize how much of the settee y'all can see on screen because Amy is just a we just jumped up there and is like hey what's up guys oh you. Pastor Bill: [7:52] Well for one your your screen is. Pastor Newms: [7:54] I am I am. Pastor Bill: [7:56] Cuz you're the little circle square and even on my you know bigger version here I can barely see just a little. Pastor Newms: [8:03] It's just funny because I'm like she doing over there but but yeah it's actually time to change my behind me again because it's your its boring me what's behind me I'll do it when I get home from my spring break but anyway that's a my week went it was busy how was your week. Pastor Bill: [8:32] So my week it was the Gerg spring break this week so he didn't have school and so I wasn't having to get up every morning at the butt crack of day to take him to school which was awesome and I picked up a new contract this week we're going to call it short-term it'll probably end up being about six months, not you know full-time six. Full time for a week or two maybe maybe a full time for a month and then it will taper off at some point you know and just be here there. Contract to contract man money is money, it's good to be making money again so there's that so that's good and then one day this week I woke up and I got a text from my aunt, okay so my grandmother aunt live across the street and then my uncle next door to them and the three houses we all share one water well, and I live in the oldest of the three homes and it's a mobile home and it's got all the original Plumbing so from time to time we have busted pipes and I have to go out and turn off our water because then they had they don't have water, and she text and said do you have water and I was like, I'm going to wake enough for this so when I looked and indeed there was no busted pipes and went to investigate what was going on couldn't figure it out, turned out it was something to do with the electricity the electricity company came out and started working on one of the poles in their yard and when they were done the water was back on and everything was fine again and, his Okay cool so that was certainly interesting, moment there when that, yeah that was basically my week in a nutshell I got a what's called a power pass in one of the games were playing in Lost Ark, which allowed me to level a new character up to level 50 and gave me some armor to start. Honing to make it more powerful which is cool it's a cool thing I've sort of enjoying that process, and I'm I like the play style I think of this character more than the other so that'll be good. Pastor Newms: [10:56] I know you like it and that's fine I just hate it. Pastor Bill: [10:56] You're making a face so no I don't care I like it so I like it I like it I'm gonna be a gun Lancer instead of a gunslinger 7 Deadeye guns I'm going to be a gun Lancer. Pastor Newms: [11:08] I don't like it. Pastor Bill: [11:13] Alright so that was our weeks so now it's time for getting it another pastors which Pastor newms has commandeered the last two weeks in a row and I was asking him do you have a question today and he was like I don't know what you're talking about so am I pulling the car and we're going back to cards or do you have something you're going to. Pastor Newms: [11:32] So here's the thing if I did have something I would wait till you pulled the car just for the sheer funniness of waiting till you pull the card but I. Don't have a question this week so. Pastor Bill: [11:56] What will people look back at us 50 years from now and be sure. Pastor Newms: [12:00] I think it's the are. Pastor Bill: [12:02] By one word Kardashians. Pastor Newms: [12:04] No now that won't be the worst there's worse things nope there's much. Pastor Bill: [12:10] Jersey Shore. Pastor Newms: [12:11] See previous statement I think they'll look back and just not understand, just us, like we look back at 50 years ago and we're appalled by things that people had that did, like maybe not 50 yeah 50 WWII right we look back and we are appalled by what why did everyone. Pastor Bill: [12:47] That's a significantly more than 50 years but. Pastor Newms: [12:50] We have no time concept you know that. Pastor Bill: [12:56] So if we look back at 1972 that's 50 years ago. Pastor Newms: [13:05] Ooh that's so creepy no we're not that old that's not how time works so we look back 80 years you know we're appalled by what Hitler did you know. Pastor Bill: [13:21] But the question is 50 years when we look back in. Pastor Newms: [13:24] That's a 50 years I didn't hear that part of the question 1972. Pastor Bill: [13:29] 50 years, in 50 years they'll look back at us and be appalled by what. Pastor Newms: [13:34] Where are we going to be in 50 years. Pastor Bill: [13:37] So when I look back at 72 I'm appalled by the Bell Bottom. Pastor Newms: [13:40] Yeah the clothing was terrible that came back around and then left. Pastor Bill: [13:46] The hairstyle. Pastor Newms: [13:47] Her back right now which is just terrible Tina, somebody that I'm related to went to a school the other day and and came home and was like mullets are back, and I'm like no no we're in the Deep South and bullets aren't even back here there's no way mullets are okay again and she's like no no no, I saw a kid with a mullet. Pastor Bill: [14:13] They're back. Pastor Newms: [14:14] And I was like knows 80 there's no way kids are running around with mullets and then we got into an argument, and in this I will say wasn't argument on whether or not the Mexican gentleman in Boondock Saints 2 has a mullet, I'm which I was trying to explain he does not he has a modified rat tail, which is a standard haircut not a mullet cuz it's too long to be a mullet a mullet has to be shorter, that's a whole nother haircut but, um you know y'all out here arguing with your wives about important stuff we out here arguing on whether or not characters have mullets let's we ain't the same let's just be clear you have any pets, we need to say. Pastor Bill: [15:15] We ain't the same now if you use napkins from restaurants in your car as Kleenex to blow your nose then yes we're in the same tax bracket but other than that. Pastor Newms: [15:28] Homie we are not in the same tax bracket where several brackets away from each other and I still do that so that's not that. There's a carpet behind you. Pastor Bill: [15:55] And the the church body. Pastor Newms: [15:57] Yeah that makes it better I said nothing. Pastor Bill: [16:01] You said you and I were several tax brackets separated and I'm obviously not a millionaire. So I'm down as I'd have to be below you not above you. Pastor Newms: [16:13] Actually I guess we're not several worldly I actually don't know how many tax brackets we are several is probably incorrect though. Pastor Bill: [16:21] Man I'm in the- tax. Pastor Newms: [16:26] No you're still in a tax bracket you just don't pay taxes there's a difference you are in a tax bracket. Pastor Bill: [16:33] I pay - I pay - When it lists your tax rate on your tax return my number is always negative. Mine's like poverty - 200% or something like. Pastor Newms: [17:01] No we're not several we're there's one tax bracket between us, just one so now we're good I was wrong that was rude of me. Well I guess this chart over here says, this chart over here says there's two brackets between us. So I don't know now I don't know either yeah now I don't know. Pastor Bill: [17:50] Tax package do junior to do. Pastor Newms: [17:57] Okay there's two tax brackets between us according to the 20 I was looking at old data if I'm looking at 2021 taxes there are two brackets between us. Pastor Bill: [18:10] Yes there are two breath. Pastor Newms: [18:11] Well no because technically you because of your income you were in a hot you weren't in the lowest bracket, but then you. Pastor Bill: [18:24] At your at your business expenses I was. Somebody give us a shotgun so we can get rid of these rabbits, no yeah that is a kind of that we're going to be on because the Epic that the title of tonight's episode is casting lots and hanging thoughts, so that's. Pastor Newms: [19:01] To be clear that's that's thoughts not thoughts just so we're all clear. Pastor Bill: [19:06] That starts not thoughts yeah so tonight we're talking about casting lots and we're talking about hanging thoughts, and the casting lots part that's more going to be Pastor Newms this thing because his brains been on this lately and then it kind of fell onto it in my study this week and went oh okay well here it is this is this is. Pastor Newms: [19:29] It has been I do obsess about things sometimes and it has recently been Lots. Pastor Bill: [19:36] Um and so do you want to go first so you want me to go first I'm going to talk about hanging thoughts and your talk about casting lots. Pastor Newms: [19:43] Weeks ago like just like. Pastor Bill: [19:47] I guess okay. Pastor Newms: [19:51] The argument we had was. Pastor Bill: [19:52] It's so weird, okay so we're still in Acts and the section of Acts that we're pulling out of this week, and Biggs brings up on Twitch that they cast lots a lot in the Bible and yes they do and if we honestly if we cast lots today as much as they did in the Bible and in the ways it in the Bible we would probably be accused of Witchcraft by the modern Church, but it's a legitimate way to hear from God on you know what you doing people just don't utilize it anymore because gas Magic, so weird. Pastor Newms: [20:35] No we're doing yours first we talked about this so stop I almost I'm aware I'm aware. Pastor Bill: [20:42] You mean your dad brought it up. Pastor Newms: [20:45] And I almost went into it and then went whoop. Pastor Bill: [20:49] Yeah you want to go right into it all right so we're pulled from Acts chapter 1 verses 15 through and that says in those days Peter stood up among the brothers and sisters the number of people who were together was about 120 and said brothers and sisters it was necessary that the scripture would be fulfilled that the holy spirit that the mouth of David foretold about Judas who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus for he was one of our number and shared in this ministry, now this man acquired a field with his unrighteous wages he fell head first his body burst open in his intestines Spilled Out, this became known to all the residents of Jerusalem so that in their own language that field is called Hakeldama with that is filled of blood, for it is written in the Book of Psalms and this is actually, um Peters actually pulling two different places from The Book of Psalms and marrying them together for this little segment where he's quoting The Book of Psalms. Let the his dwelling become desolate let no one live in it and let someone else take his position therefore from among the men who have accompanied US during the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out Among Us, beginning from the baptism of John until the day he was taken up from us from among these it is necessary that one become a witness with us of his resurrection, so the proposed to Joseph called Barsabbas, and who was also known as Justus and Matthias, when they prayed you'll or know everyone's Hearts show which of these two you have chosen to take the place, in this episode of ministry that Judas left to go where he belongs, then they cast lots for them and the lot fell to Matthias and he was added to the eleven Apostles he became the 12th Apostle taking judas's place, so in this hanging thoughts the, event that we're looking at with Judas it's we turn to Matthew, flipping back and forth in My Vibe ill Matthew 26. And we're going to read a few different excerpts from Matthew 26 just to get an idea of what's going on with Judas here, I will show you verse 14 then one of the twelve the man called Judas Iscariot went to the chief priests and said what are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you him being you know Jesus because, so they weighed out 30 pieces of silver for him, and from that time he started looking for a good opportunity to betray him and then we're going to jump over to chapter 27, verse 5. Pastor Newms: [24:04] Four three. Pastor Bill: [24:07] Four three then we're starting three, then Judas his betrayer saying that Jesus had been condemned was full of remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and Elders I have sinned by betraying innocent blood he said, what's that to us they said see to it yourself so he threw the silver into the temple and departed then he went and hanged himself, hanged him self okay, and then verses 7 through 8 they the chief priests we don't have to skip first skip first six we can read that one to the chief priests took the silver and said it is not permitted to put it into the temple treasury since it is blood Money, they conferred together and bought the Potter's field with it as a burial place for foreigners there for that field has been called blood-filled to this day. So this is actually one of those things where people go well see there's an inconsistency there see Matthew says hanged and in Acts it says his body burst open in his intestines Spilled Out, this idea of hanged that they're talking about in Matthew isn't the same kind of hang like lynching that, in our modern on mind we think of hanging someone from a tree with a rope that's not what Judas did to himself, hanging yourself then in this context is to take a sword that has a handle, guard you know and you put the butt of the sword onto the ground and you fall forward onto it and then your, midsection is caught on that handle guard and you're literally hanging their over top of the ground, hanging over the sort and so this is this idea of hanging that Judas did to himself he actually threw himself onto his own sword and then hung there on the. Handle guard until, his body burst open in his intestines Spilled Out and the field was bought with the 30 pieces of silver, the 30 pieces of silver that originated from the same priests that refused to take it back because now it's blood Money. Pastor Newms: [26:46] The dates spent. Pastor Bill: [26:50] They created by hiring an assassin of sorts. Pastor Newms: [26:57] God love people who dance that line. Pastor Bill: [27:03] That's yeah that's some serious like swervin right there like how do we make ourselves look good here oh I know we'll use this money and we'll buy the field where he just went killed himself, and we'll buy it in his name because it's his blood money and then we'll make it a place to bury foreigners and the poor. Pastor Newms: [27:29] Because then we didn't do anything wrong. Pastor Bill: [27:31] Nice classy yeah cuz then we we did it right we didn't put that money back into the coffers we did the right thing, it's just those kind of details you know when you go into conversations and you're talking to people and then they bring up things like, there's this contradiction between Matthew and acts did you can you know well actually if you did a modicum of research you would find that, you're wrong and that those aren't that's not a contradiction that's actually the same thing, in the cultural context right we always talk about you know when you're shutting the Bible you want to look at what the cultural context is because if you take it, and you take that scripture according to your cultural context then you've taken it out of, it's no longer in contact. Pastor Newms: [28:36] And there are times where with the context of the Bible we you can't even just trust, oh well Strong's Concordance says this this says this that means that which, the diction does the connotations do not and that's where those connotations that come from, culture and colloquialisms and in all that you know we deal with it every day we have so many words that don't we use incorrectly away from their diction or their diction has changed, because of that so I mean yeah. Those aren't those are definitely some and and you know there's there's a lot, there's a lot that has been stated and done around his death, you know a lot of things said a lot of things thought through that and it's very interesting Sometimes some of those beliefs that arose from it. Pastor Bill: [30:00] And you bring up the shrunken coordinates thing because the Strong's Concordance literally says that word means to strangle one. Pastor Newms: [30:10] Look to strangle. Pastor Bill: [30:12] Culturally that's not what they were referring to when they said. Pastor Newms: [30:18] You know and it's one of those where it's an understanding of you know the culture more than understanding of the language there's you know. Pastor Bill: [30:30] Because we use we use words that mean other things all the time and if you didn't know our culture you'd be confused. Pastor Newms: [30:41] I mean we're not we're amazing at it in Christianity as well you know we use words that mean something to us means something completely different, and that's always something we have to think about and look at when we're studying and when we're you know just living because oftentimes how you feel a word, means does not how someone else fuse it and regular words can become offensive easily due to those types of things. Pastor Bill: [31:11] Well even naughty just offensive but even simple words like we had this conversation before about what's the difference between the soul and the spirit, and it honestly depends on who you ask, because people use those words interchangeably to literally mean two different things and they just use them interchangeably oh also bi-weekly and by. Pastor Newms: [31:34] Don't get me started on that one. Pastor Bill: [31:36] Bi-weekly not only means, every other week but it also means. Pastor Newms: [31:41] Are we talking about accounting we talking about meetings are we talking about payroll or we talking about because for all of those situations it could mean something different or the exact thing you think of. Pastor Bill: [31:55] Biannually okay is that twice a year is that once every two years, depends on context. Pastor Newms: [32:05] I hate that one that one irritates me bi-weekly especially. Pastor Bill: [32:09] It's crazy all right well yeah but weekly. Pastor Newms: [32:12] We need to meet on this bye week. Pastor Bill: [32:14] Can you just say every other week when you mean every other week. Pastor Newms: [32:16] Need to meet on this bi-weekly am i setting up a Tuesday Thursday or am I setting up a Wednesday Wednesday. Pastor Bill: [32:27] Hmm. Pastor Newms: [32:28] That one that one always gets me and you got to clarify. Pastor Bill: [32:32] So one of the things that I had decided at one point to start doing instead of saying bi-weekly when I meant every other week I would start saying fortnightly. Because a fortnight means two weeks. Pastor Newms: [32:48] For fortnite was technically 20 days. Pastor Bill: [32:55] Isn't it just, I thought it was too easy weeks how long is a fortnight. Pastor Newms: [33:08] It's a period of two weeks. Pastor Bill: [33:20] That's in Tokay. Pastor Newms: [33:21] Actually it can be 14 or 15 days. Pastor Bill: [33:26] There are 336 hours in a fortnight. Why did you give it to me in that and there are 26 .08 929 fortnight's in a year, Google no DuckDuckGo is is trying to prank me or something just tell me. Three hundred thirty six hours or twenty six point zero eight nine to nine times in a year. Pastor Newms: [34:00] Originally meant 14 nights for. Pastor Bill: [34:09] So we should meet for tonight. Pastor Newms: [34:11] Is that 14 nights which could be 15 days that's where that that's where the question of 14 nights. Pastor Bill: [34:18] Will you mean on one you mean it on one day and then you have 14 nights between those and then you meet again that's the 15th day. Pastor Newms: [34:27] It's not 14 days. Pastor Bill: [34:29] So well well it's what made it okay whatever. Pastor Newms: [34:33] If we meet on Monday and then we meet the next Fortnight the next time we meet is a Tuesday. Pastor Bill: [34:38] Right and then the next time it'll be Wednesday in the next time it'll be a Thursday next time it'll be a Friday. Pastor Newms: [34:43] And then once it's a Friday then we can't have the business meeting until Monday which means it's no longer a fortnight and you've ruined it completely see I don't I don't like see I don't like that one either no. For normal people they're not saying Fortnight I love you but normal people aren't saying Fortnight unless they're doing a dumb dance. Pastor Bill: [35:05] Are using these these ambiguous things that nobody knows what they mean and they're having to clarify. Pastor Newms: [35:13] I love our arguments. Pastor Bill: [35:14] Okay I'm done with my section which I thought would take longer but that's okay you have the floor for the next 20 minutes so. Pastor Newms: [35:22] I'm not going to take it I don't accept. Pastor Bill: [35:25] It's time we're going to talk about casting lunch. Pastor Newms: [35:29] So you know there's the converse you know we touched on it several weeks ago just casting lots you know what is it what does it mean, you know there are people that cast lots very very often in life there are some people who cast lots so often in life they keep Lots on their desk, to be cast at any moment, so that way they don't have to search for them to cast them and go so far as to cast ones that look, like they're made of bone when they're not which is possibly, getting real close to that line of what you're casting. Pastor Bill: [36:26] Reading bones and reading tea leaves is not casting lots. Pastor Newms: [36:31] No Pastor Bill: [36:32] You've gone but you've gone past. Pastor Newms: [36:34] You've gone past casting lots and you've entered something else. Pastor Bill: [36:37] You're you've gotten past asking for an answer and into prognostication. Pastor Newms: [36:45] Flip of a coin yes that that is well is a form it was normally done with dice or dice type things they weren't the dice that we use, commonly normally they were more like the dice that are used in episode 1 of Star Wars, the ones that only certain sides are colored the colored dye they weren't numbers all the time they were you know, it depended depending on the situations it depended on. Pastor Bill: [37:22] Well in in Gideon's time they cast lots with them fleece that go out first thing in the morning after Morning Dew had fallen on the you know where was on the ground and and they would, throw out fleece on the ground and whichever fleece came up dry that was the right answer. Pastor Newms: [37:42] Yeah we've evolved polyhedrons to polyhedral, dice made of polyurethane typically hit. Pastor Bill: [38:00] In Aaron's day they drew Lumen and Thurman from a bag which is basically just you draw a rock and if it's a White Rock dancers yes if you draw a black rock fanswers know. Pastor Newms: [38:12] And some dice were painted some are not numeric, some dice are you know and you would change the probability of things by tossing a six-sided die that was usually hand-carved which means the sides were not accurately, mathematically correct and then one side was painted and not all of them had no you know it all depended on how it was done but the idea of casting lots is, asking God to help you make the decision or asking God to make the decision through the Lots. Pastor Bill: [38:53] But not not only Christians cast lat. Pastor Newms: [38:55] No Pastor Bill: [38:56] The soldiers cast lots for who would get what pieces of Jesus close. Pastor Newms: [39:02] And those ones were probably more an actual dice game and that is that that is one of the reasons why, I've heard preached why casting lots is bad because obviously it's bad because the Romans did it and you're like. Pastor Bill: [39:20] And then the at and then and then the apostles literally do it to choose who replaced you. Pastor Newms: [39:24] Weeks later but okay yeah sure but I mean it's it's part of also your intention you know are you trying. Pastor Bill: [39:34] Well everything boils down to intention. Pastor Newms: [39:35] Everything are you trying you know one of the things that you see with people is oh well Even's will do this odds will do that and when it rolls and you don't get what you want you go bust out of two out of three and it's like. Pastor Bill: [39:50] See now you're tempting. Pastor Newms: [39:52] And and let's be honest I've done it and there's been times one time I did it and the next role was three ones and it's one of those where it's like. If you don't do things like that often you're like so in games in dice things ones are your worst typical role and so 31 statistically, it's a decently hard roll, because you have to take the statistical likelihood of each of the dice rolling in the numbers and numerically you know 33 of any let's be honest three of any single number is a lot harder to roll than a combination number and so it's one of those where you're like oh no blah and yeah people who play Yahtzee know how hard it is to get, you know one role in picking up you know all six or three or four and you're just like sorry, I'll go to bed you're right but we sometimes do it for simple things like, which video game do we really want to play tonight if we if we can't decide we don't care and we're like what do you want to do you want to do you want to hang out you want to watch TV you want to play a game you want to you know stare at each other and not actually like each other you know what you want to do tonight sometimes you can't decide, and you know in those times. Pastor Bill: [41:28] Put on matching shirts and pop popcorn I made popcorn and. Pastor Newms: [41:31] We're grown men we don't wear matching shirts. Pastor Bill: [41:36] Not after you see that I am wearing the same shirt as you want now. Pastor Newms: [41:39] Right that's why I change shirts so for those out there that are like what is he talking about I wore my friends of Garrett and he were his friend of Garrett shirt tonight both of us. Pastor Bill: [41:53] And then and then we connected on camera and went wow look at that the Lots fell to the same shirt and he went no no no I ain't even. Pastor Newms: [41:58] I didn't I didn't notice I didn't notice, you were the one who was a good look we're wearing the same shirt and I'm like not with that attitude we ain't no now we can, wear the same shirt but once you start making a thing out of it ain't happening I'm gonna go change shirts and so I did I change I didn't even just change shirts I change genres but this was the closest shirt between me and the bedroom closet actually I didn't even get all the way to the closet this was just, I actually took this out of my office like an hour ago so I was like I'll just. Pastor Bill: [42:32] All right so you were talking about random number. Pastor Newms: [42:36] Yeah so there was a question that there's a question that I posed to a friend of mine around casting lots as we were doing a study on, what when casting lots came up, I don't even remember but casting lots came up in a Biblical study we were doing in our family bible study and so I was talking to our, my cousin's husband because he's gamer and I was like you know it makes you wonder if so it was the fact that the verse that God decides all, rolls you know God decides fate and stuff like that. Pastor Bill: [43:17] Well versus the. Pastor Newms: [43:18] We talked about it last time I don't remember did you pull it up because you knew we were going to talk about. Pastor Bill: [43:38] That's what I was about to say a lot is cast into the lap but it's every decision is from the Lord. Pastor Newms: [43:44] So it's an and the meaning of that is basically you know yeah we cast lots every time you cast lots in your lap you cast lots in the street you cast lots. Pastor Bill: [43:57] Heck even buying a lottery ticket and scratching it off is casting a lot. Pastor Newms: [44:01] Yeah and so we had this discussion of and and you said something that that almost borderline offended me when you said it around this which is you know, I was like well you know random number generators there's this joke in the community in all gaming communities of you need to pray to RNGsus and that spelled r and g, Bes us and it's because orangey is a random number generator and that is how video games decide loot rolls is random number generators and so and that's how dice, kind of work is I remember random number generator computer form of random number generation is its version of throwing a die the problem with orangey is, there is no such thing as random number generation because when you start dealing with technology, there is not as much. Atmospheric things that can affect there's not wind there's not surface tension there's not it's just, go pick a number between one and whatever and the computer goes and does it anyone who's used the random feature on their smart device or their old CD player knows, it's not truly random there is a pattern granted there's a pattern to dice rolls if you look at it enough, but the numbers are just smaller so. It's interesting to look at random number generation is random number generation the same as a lot and if that's the case every time you get upset because you don't get loose, is that something, that we shouldn't get any form of upset because God controls when and when not you're going to get loot it's a very interesting thought process because it doesn't it's not the same, but it's one of those things for a gamer you're like is it and and so you get into it and then you said something that, offended me to a small degree which was when we were when we were arguing about this on whether it was or wasn't you said my relationship with God has nothing to do with a random number generator, the outcome of a random number generator and I'm like that's my point it's not your relationship it's, the random number generator is it or is it not a lot and and that's you know it's an interesting thought process of, is it and the. Pastor Bill: [47:01] I also said the random number generators are created for you to overcome, by Rolling again to try to get that piece that you're looking for do the challenge again do the challenge again do the challenge again that's what RNG is all about is re-rolling until you get that piece of armor you get that, that you're trying to get. Pastor Newms: [47:23] I think that depends on the gameplay and if they're actually using a random number generator because a lot of times we argue that random number generators are you know we blame RNG, four things in video games that have nothing to do with orangey if the programmer programs one thing to be, available one percent of the time and one thing to be available 48 percent of the time that's not a random number eight generators fault, except for the fact of it is because the random number generator is choosing a number between 1 and 100, so whereas they're deciding the statistical probability, of you getting the item the number that it chooses is still part of an orangey. Pastor Bill: [48:11] Right because they are injeel chik-chik will choose a number between 1 and 100 but if they say this drop has a 48 percent chance it just changes the value of how often each number between 1 and 100 is chosen. Pastor Newms: [48:24] No no it would be what you would do. Pastor Bill: [48:28] And on some of those numbers you'd get it and some of those numbers you would. Pastor Newms: [48:30] Right you assigned each number with the loot is or a percentage chance and then it depends on the percentage really depends on how the game is coded but it's interesting to think about a thought experiment like this because this is purely a thought experiment which of course has nothing to do with salvation, but, it's an interesting thought experiment of what is random when you get to a point of saying something like God chooses every lat, so God chooses how every role is done so because of that, what does that truly mean for people who are like oh it's just a coincidence because it's like mmm. Pastor Bill: [49:14] So let's read it again Proverbs 16 33 the lot is cast into the lap but it's every decision is from the Lord, so flipping a coin the decision the outcome of that decision that that's from the Lord, now if you flip a coin and it goes heads and then you go okay best try to three and you flip a coin again and then it says Tails I'm pretty sure God just doesn't doesn't care about your question God's like it doesn't matter, he just asked me whether you should drink Coke or Sprite for all I care. Pastor Newms: [49:51] Yeah and that's not saying that. Who said that. Pastor Bill: [50:02] Proverbs 16 was probably written by David. Pastor Newms: [50:03] Proverbs and let's look. Pastor Bill: [50:09] Yeah Roxanne on Facebook asks okay but who said that and she's not wrong we talked about that. Pastor Newms: [50:21] Yeah it's a valid question. Pastor Bill: [50:23] You know there's things in the Book of Job that you're like yeah that's that's not actual truth that's his friends error. Pastor Newms: [50:36] Sixteen. It's Solomon and tilt from 10 1222 is straight-up Proverbs of Solomon. Pastor Bill: [51:06] Not only was Solomon the wisest man that ever lived but when Solomon became king, he gave away all of his father's wealth because let's be honest David stole everything, um gave it all back to Who David stole it from and then within I think it was a decade, he had amassed 10 times the amount of wealth that David had because he was wise he had business acumen, he understood how the world worked and she follows up and asks and was he correct when he said it so let's ask that's let's look at some commentaries and see what they say, um Pastor Newms: [51:54] SS says to go to. 16:30. 16:1 the reflections of the heart belong to mankind but the answers the tongue is from the Lord, 19:21 I'm looking at where everywhere that this Bible points to, being a poor person who has integrity, better is a poor person who does integrity than someone who has deceitful lips that's interesting that it would point there because that could definitely argue of, you know don't lie about what I say don't lie about your role you D&D player's cheaters. Pastor Bill: [52:47] In first Samuel chapter 14 they they cast lots with the Airmen and Thurman, to determine who was guilty, in an event that had just happened and we as the reader have Insight on who's actually guilty but they don't know, and the ermine and thummim accurately expose Jonathan Saul's son as the person who was the wrongdoer. Pastor Newms: [53:17] As someone who doesn't believe in chance, I would definitely agree that in my study and everything I've learned and and studied and believe, there is no chance and so yeah I believe that God does control Lots. Pastor Bill: [53:44] The question is, how for me because God sets up systems God doesn't necessarily micromanage the Lots he sets up systems and hands off you know he delegates, um so, that's where to me luck comes in luck being an actual entity and actual being a spiritual being that, moves in Ebbs and flows and interacts with our lives and has very much to do with woodlot lots are cast and dice your throne and things like that. Roxy laughs and how does using the lord's name in vain correlate throwing Lots so using the names Lord in vain that we're using the lord's name in vain is actually a reference to saying God told me to do this or God did that when, it was actually just you and it wasn't God or God didn't do it and it was just something that happened, um it's don't falsely say God is responsible for something when God had nothing to do with it. When is it random and when is it inspired, according to Proverbs I know you questioned you know was he correct when he said it but according to that verse it's always inspired casting lots is always inspired and it's always random random to our view. Pastor Newms: [55:32] And I think that's the key there is is the Providence of God you know we the family bible study and other things I've been doing recently has led me to Esther, a bunch and, it's interesting for a book that God's name is not used once his, handprint is everywhere you know huh. Pastor Bill: [56:05] That's what the word providence means. Pastor Newms: [56:06] Yes what's up yeah and so that whole thing of you know a butterfly flaps its wings over here and it can cause a tsunami doesn't always, can because of cause and effect and so there are times where I think that that's the big thing of there is no random in my opinion, it appears random two are human forms in going through linear time. But that's my personal belief. Pastor Bill: [56:42] The Israelites cast lots to see what tribe would get what plots of land under Joshua when they got to the promised land. In the Book of Jonah they cast lots to find out who it was in the ship that was causing the wrath of God to bring the storm upon the ship. And it fell upon Jonah the Jonah was like you caught me but don't fear not I will selflessly cast myself into the sea and this dude was ready to cast himself in the seeing die rather than go to Nineveh. Pastor Newms: [57:35] He was a very stubborn man. Pastor Bill: [57:39] I'd rather die and God. Pastor Newms: [57:41] Then bring Salvation. Pastor Bill: [57:45] Salvation to those fish worshippers. Pastor Newms: [57:47] People I don't like. Pastor Bill: [57:50] Not only that but then, God hasn't swallowed by a big fish and spit up on the beach by a big fish where all the people can see it and go hey you know that fish God we worship well his son's here, um and he says he has a message from the Lord, let's listen because God has a sense of humor. Pastor Newms: [58:17] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [58:21] All right it's 7:33 so we're a little over our normal time this podcast comes out every Wednesday night, at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you get your podcasts if you listen to this and you like it, could you please like it you know actually officially like it and share it and follow us helps new people find the podcast and therefore spread faith hope and love to more of, the modern Church, would you record this podcast to live on Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and this next episode we're going to record will be little different we will record it live but we will be actively live in the chat when it is actually going out, and that is because we will actually be, in the same place next weekend when we record it instead of me being in Texas and Pastor Newms being in Tennessee, after next week if you would join us at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, or rather I central daylight I guess it's daylight savings time. D St Central DST then all that. Pastor Newms: [59:35] I really hope it passes the house. Pastor Bill: [59:38] But it always be Central DST. Pastor Newms: [59:41] No it would just be Central at that time we would no longer have to say Central DST for the times that we are in daylight savings time it would just be Central again. Pastor Bill: [59:53] Yeah okay they could have chosen the fall time which was the original time. Pastor Newms: [1:00:00] That's the thing that weirds me out is why they didn't go that route because that is messing with Arizona Arizona is now yeah anyway I was talking to Arizona some people from Arizona about it. Pastor Bill: [1:00:14] Well yeah your wife's from Arizona so yeah oh really. Pastor Newms: [1:00:16] No no this was actually business yeah the clients we just launched recently was we moved Arizona that was one of the big things we did to a new EMR so at my job so. Pastor Bill: [1:00:28] All right so that invitation is out there if you would if you would like to join us on Facebook YouTube or switch on some Sunday night so you can be a part of the chat and see us record it live than we would love for you to come and join us you can find out which Facebook twitch or YouTube. Pastor Bill: [1:00:46] Channels those are by going to our website ekk.house I hope you guys have a great week, and I love you very much. Pastor Newms: [1:00:59] Be safe out there. Pastor Bill: [1:01:01] And until next time.

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Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 68 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian and Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms I'm here in Texas where if the weather was a person I would recommend rehab, and Newms is in Tennessee where the weather hasn't been quite that bad except the other day they had flurries and flooding, all at the same time which is an interesting combination to have flurries and flooding why are you crossing your arms patent. Pastor Newms: [0:37] So I was playing with a slinky. Pastor Bill: [0:41] Playing with a slinky? Pastor Newms: [0:43] Slinky but not the desk. Pastor Bill: [0:46] Should they come and take your Slinky away became you took my stinky weather. Pastor Newms: [0:48] They came and took my Slinky away well it wasn't my Slinky it's so easily. Pastor Bill: [0:51] They took it away cuz it wasn't yours. Pastor Newms: [0:54] It's not mine it's Rayne’s Slinky so. Pastor Bill: [0:56] Makes sense she took it man. Pastor Newms: [0:58] That's why I leaned out of camera because I was like what do you need as I'm doing this it's she's like that. Pastor Bill: [1:03] Did you, they know your live though right? Like she knows your live? Pastor Newms: [1:08] Yes you can hear me she can hear me right now they're all in the living room. Pastor Bill: [1:11] She's like I don't care. Pastor Newms: [1:11] Because Phoenix, Zaydiee, Groggy, Rayne, and Serafina are all in the living room so. Pastor Bill: [1:19] Yeah and you guys had a birthday this weekend. Pastor Newms: [1:23] Yes it was Phoenix’s birthday. Pastor Bill: [1:25] Straight up. Pastor Newms: [1:28] And we had birthday lunch at my mother's today. Pastor Bill: [1:32] Makes her what, 32 now? Pastor Newms: She is… Pastor Bill: Na don't do that just agree with 32, Pastor Newms: But it isn’t right. Pastor Bill: but we don't age women that's impolite. You're a southern boy you know better, Pastor Newms: But you aged her Pastor Bill: I aged her as 32 or above, everyone in the South knows if you say someone's 32 that you're just being polite, man. Pastor Newms: [2:07] She's in her early 30’s. Pastor Bill: [2:09] Crash in early 30s okay. Pastor Newms: [2:12] 32 is still aging. Pastor Bill: [2:14] Why when you say 30, she has responded on the Discord she has no issue being 33 so forever we will call her 33. Pastor Newms: [2:26] Zaydiee is. Pastor Bill: [2:28] Now my mother's email address is im36rever and so she's like I'm 36 I'm 36 and I. Pastor Newms: [2:41] Zaydiee has instructed the girls to lie, and tell everyone she's 27 and you know that that is a valid age but now it looks like I'm married to someone younger than my little sister. Pastor Bill: [3:05] When I was 36 people would ask, “What age you going to be?” I would tell them the next year I was going to be 35, and they're like wait that's backwards and I was like yeah and then the year after that I'll be 34 and then I'll be 33 and I'll be 32 and that plan seemed to be great until as soon as I started saying that, that's when all the gray hair started coming, like as soon as those were no certain those words left my mouth that I was going to start counting it, all this other stuff here on the side started turning gray my surrogate all the gray in my beard and they just kept getting more and more gray. Pastor Newms: [3:46] Rain says yeah and I'm 15 Pastor Bill: I saw that Pastor Newms: that's not true Pastor Bill: in my mind Rayne will always be 12. Pastor Newms: [3:59] That's how old she actually is, she’s not a teenager. Pastor Bill: [4:09] Biggs is having video issues over on Twitch. Pastor Newms: [4:17] There the video is definitely there because I have not heard from the living room that it has cut out so you might want to. Pastor Bill: [4:24] Hit refresh or something. Pastor Newms: [4:25] Reef you might want to refresh the TV or you might want to call the cable company and get them to fix your Internet. Pastor Bill: [4:32] Internet ask them why Twitch isn't working. Pastor Newms: [4:35] No it's it's their internet is is is is is sometimes just slow. Pastor Bill: [4:44] Where did I even put the Twitch app on my phone? do you know? Pastor Newms: [4:47] I don't know where your Twitch app is huh. Pastor Bill: [4:49] I don't either I better turn in some weird folder that doesn't make any sense for it to be in. Pastor Newms: [4:54] Probably it probably is it's probably upside down. Pastor Bill: [4:57] I have to search for it because I don’t remember where I put it. Pastor Newms: [5:00] But my week was pretty good. Pastor Bill: [5:01] I didn't ask I know how was your week Pastor Newms. Pastor Newms: [5:06] Lots of work, a lot going on at work, can we have a migration for one of our markets from one Mr to another which means all the backend data has to be moved which the backend data is, where I, work and so that's going to happen over Friday night all day Saturday and Sunday morning so we're going to see how that goes, and that might, depend on how I am emotionally stable next Sunday night stay tuned. Pastor Bill: [5:55] Next Sunday night I think we'll talk about Ananias and Sapphira so you can just rage. Pastor Newms: [6:08] So it works I would also like to point out something weird that happened this week somehow over the last couple of days Charmander, become Cholomander And I'm not sure. Pastor Bill: [6:25] I'm notsure, Cholomander. Pastor Newms: [6:28] Why he has. Pastor Bill: [6:35] That's fantastic. Pastor Newms: [6:37] Mostly over his eyes that my lovely wife Zaydiee did but I would just like to point it out because I walked in my office was like. Pastor Bill: [6:49] What's up ese. Pastor Newms: [6:51] Why why is, why do I have a small orange cholo in my office I'm very very confused as to, why and why he looked so good as 12 let's just throw that out there, he looks really good and correct as a small gangster and so. Pastor Bill: [7:14] I've been so he's a super happy gangster though. Pastor Newms: [7:17] Super happy game. Pastor Bill: [7:18] It's not smile man. Pastor Newms: [7:21] Lots of Modello, sorry that last one was wrong that last one was. Pastor Bill: [7:29] That was a little over-the-top there bro. Pastor Newms: [7:32] But yeah that are week's been pretty good and and you know we've been playing a lot of Lost Ark played no Borderlands that I can remember, extremely have neglected Star Trek Fleet command. Pastor Bill: [7:52] It was it was a slow Ark this month so it's okay. Pastor Newms: [8:00] But it was a great ark. Pastor Bill: [8:01] Yeah it was great but it was slow there wasn't there wasn't a lot of events for running yeah it was a Ferengi, but there weren't a lot of events like even the event that there were a tea bag we're kind of like. Pastor Newms: [8:10] Ferengi. Pastor Bill: [8:13] Ferengi Ferengi ranking they're not furry though. Pastor Newms: [8:18] They are not free they are skinny. Pastor Bill: [8:20] They're faring the but they're not fair either. Pastor Newms: [8:24] They're definitely not fair they are cheaters only if they get caught. Pastor Bill: [8:27] Hmm only if they get caught but only when it comes to. Pastor Newms: [8:30] Pastor Bill how was your day. Pastor Bill: [8:35] Day my day was fine I played some some Lost Ark today and and finalized my studying for tonight and, um my girls spent the night at their Grandma's house last night my my there Mimi's house my wife's mother, and then my little three-year-old went into town to have church with my with my mother-in-law and the girls and then Roxanne went to go do some work and, W back here in a few hours and then and I was here with Gerg, um but Gerg slept till like 12:30 1:00 it was. Pastor Newms: [9:15] It is a quiet house you both just playing games on opposite sides of the house like. Pastor Bill: [9:20] Then he spent then he spent the priority that priority the most biggest part of the day in VR with with his friend, dark Grayson, in his room so he's literally on the other end literally on the other end of the house and I'm in here and just trying to grind one, kindness point on my virtue list in Lost Ark and it won't give it to me I am almost caught up with my main character on my alt and it still hasn't given me at this one kind of point that I'm trying to get. Pastor Newms: [9:57] You do know what's going to be really frustrating right. Pastor Bill: [9:59] I'm going to catch up and it's not so I'm going to give it to me then we're going to get onto my main and the very next Quest we do is going to give me that kindness boy. Pastor Newms: [10:05] We're going to we're going to we're going to wrap up the podcast I'm going to I'm going to do the thing I got to do. Pastor Bill: [10:10] And then while it's downloading we're going to turn on. Pastor Newms: [10:12] Start downloading it we're going to get on Lost Ark and it's going to be like here's the kindness and you're going to be like. Pastor Bill: [10:19] I just would like two days grinding for that on my alt. Pastor Newms: [10:22] But at least you're all got higher. Pastor Bill: [10:24] Well it's my old got up to level 30 yeah. Pastor Newms: [10:27] And you get you get cards you get you get all the stuff you. Pastor Bill: [10:30] Heart Of Cards, and Vivian oh my goodness I don't know any of the emotes Vivian wants she's in the tavern in the castle. Pastor Newms: [10:43] You mean the money you mean that you mean you mean that the gold digger. Pastor Bill: [10:47] Yeah the gold digger, I don't know any of the emotes she wants I don't know any of the songs that she wants but she accepts gifts I got her to friendly do you know what her friendly reward is what 45,000 card XP. Pastor Newms: [11:02] Really I might need to go talk to that gold. Pastor Bill: [11:06] Right. Pastor Newms: [11:08] So to be clear why I call her a gold digger. Pastor Bill: [11:12] It's because the first thing comes out of her mouth is as the friend of the King can you tell me how to become the Queen. Pastor Newms: [11:18] Yeah and then when you walk up and they you know NPC say stupid little random things one of the things she says is man I really need one of these guys to be rich and drunk and you're like what excuse me what like. Pastor Bill: [11:31] Yeah she is straight up a gold digger they wrote the character as a gold digger we're not being defamatory to women they literally wrote this character as the only thing on her mind is to find a man with money. Pastor Newms: [11:46] It is tear and which I could understand why she would accept gifts I personally am trying to save all of my gifts so that way I can I'm just doing what I can do now or what I have to do, and then once we are, John with more things there's like we've only unlocked like a third of the people so I don't want to waste all my free gift boxes like someone else has, and then there's someone that's awesome in the future and you're going to be like. Pastor Bill: [12:19] Have you gifts, are you doing my gifts. Pastor Newms: [12:26] And we should listen to my friend Newms has been playing games for. Pastor Bill: [12:28] Friend Newms has been playing games true with many more years. Pastor Newms: [12:32] He never took a break from them. Pastor Bill: [12:34] I've never said that ever. Pastor Newms: [12:36] No but that's what you're going to think I wish you would listen. Pastor Bill: [12:38] Not what I would think. Pastor Newms: [12:41] I wish I wish I knew my friend who's smarter than me. Pastor Bill: [12:44] And are we are we really going to be that old when they get far enough and lost ark that we find a good character. Pastor Newms: [12:50] Oh no that's just how you sound because you're old. Pastor Bill: [12:52] Sure that over I sound like that already. Pastor Newms: [12:54] Yeah that's how you sound all the time. Pastor Bill: [12:56] Who. Pastor Newms: [12:57] You can ask anyone who's listening everything comes out of your mouth is like this it here. Pastor Bill: [13:05] So here's the thing. I turned on my headphones. Pastor Newms: [13:11] Aha. Pastor Bill: [13:12] But they didn't actually connect to the computer because my wife was using them the other day. Pastor Newms: [13:16] So where have I been coming out of. Pastor Bill: [13:21] The speaker's at my desk. Pastor Newms: [13:22] I've got no feedback that's strange I Blame You. Pastor Bill: [13:29] Yeah because the only thing the hiccuped is my recording podcasts. Pastor Newms: [13:35] So now his things are going to hiccup because he's changing things mmm I heard a hiccup on my side, see the Beast the best also known as. Pastor Bill: [13:47] Mum's little groggy oh my little girl. Pastor Newms: [13:52] My little groggy oh my little groggy. Pastor Bill: [13:58] Yeah. Pastor Newms: [14:00] He says news is accurate that you sound like that so. Pastor Bill: [14:04] I also do the I've been smoking for 30 years voice and I. Pastor Newms: [14:13] No you don't normally sound like that if anyone if either the, is not going to be you between the two of us all right um this week on the podcast we're talking about. Pastor Bill: [14:36] And this week's card is. Pastor Newms: [14:38] Shoot I hate this part no this week's card is mine you did last week, see ya cuz you think it's 39 you've entitled the card 39 earlier. Pastor Bill: [14:58] But what does it say. Pastor Newms: [15:01] Before that that that's going to cause in fighting and there's just there's no okay I'm going to put it away don't anyone answer, in your opinion what is the best see this is already neither one of us is. Pastor Bill: [15:17] Okay. Pastor Newms: [15:19] Greatest piece of music ever written, because the problem is we both know what the actual best piece of music ever written is something we haven't heard, because only mainstream crap gets put out so the best piece of music is probably some obscure thing none of us have ever heard of so it's in a can answer it because it doesn't say. Pastor Bill: [15:42] Hey bro you're answering the question stop and pull a new card. Pastor Newms: [15:56] If your name was given as the description for one word and. Is groggy I can't with him, for those of you out there in listening. Pastor Bill: [16:21] Yeah I just sang part of. Pastor Newms: [16:22] Groggy just said What does the. Pastor Bill: [16:25] Okay. Pastor Newms: [16:26] Is is the I just I'm just making sure. Pastor Bill: [16:29] Biggs answer. Pastor Newms: [16:30] Even though I said no one answer we've now gotten two answers, in Mozart's Ninth is good to but if your name was given us the description for anyone word in the dictionary behind what word would people find your name example behind hilarious, is John Smith, which I don't understand Groggy says funny. Pastor Bill: [17:06] You don't think Greg he's funny oh. Pastor Newms: [17:07] I would say that's not it because corny oh no he's hilarious, um that's creepy. Pastor Bill: [17:18] Our and he says as he was a get it yeah. Pastor Newms: [17:22] No I said or hilarious and then he typed it at the same time which there's a delay in there so I know he didn't hear me lady says invisible which she wishes, it's how that goes, I have no idea my my my so I have always thought of myself as whoa, okay I'm a jerk my word is jerk it appears that is messed up that my own wife would say that but okay the, I've always viewed my personality is very multifaceted like a like a. Pastor Bill: [18:02] So it's sharp all over the place. Pastor Newms: [18:04] A rock that's been cut a whole bunch of different times and. Pastor Bill: [18:08] Facets your multifaceted. Pastor Newms: [18:09] It's sharp all over the place but there's so many different parts it's like yeah exactly, I said that already. Pastor Bill: [18:21] HPuff is on a different wavelength than we are right now I'm not sure. Pastor Newms: [18:31] I don't know what HPuff is talking about okay but, I can't think of one word because everyone who meets me is probably going to say a different word. Pastor Bill: [18:47] But you're not ugly, I like how your voice was even rough when you said rough. Pastor Newms: [19:02] Around the edges. Bill has blue oh yeah you've had a blue light on and your cup and stuff is yellow so it looks. Pastor Bill: [19:14] Yeah the light is is the rotating. Pastor Newms: [19:16] Corner up there at the top but now it's purple. Pastor Bill: [19:19] And now it's going to be orangish yellow and yellow. Pastor Newms: [19:21] And now it's red and yellow. Yeah the question was what would you call yourself what part of the dictionary one word would describe you Bill would Pastor Bill what he would what do you. Pastor Bill: [19:40] My one word you say obesity in the. Pastor Newms: [19:44] One word no we would not. Pastor Bill: [19:47] Because this this is obese and then there's morbidly obese is a completely different subsets. Well then I'm definitely morbidly. Pastor Newms: [19:59] I don't know dude cuz I'm borderline morbidly obese so let's be honest yeah but if you're thinking of like okay so like. Pastor Bill: [20:05] K Pastor Newms: [20:09] Like no not that example and nope not that one either nope not that one I can't think any of you, examples all of them have that have come to mind are terrible but like. Pastor Bill: [20:24] I’ve been called apostate, I’ve been called heretic, I've been called. Pastor Newms: [20:28] Right but you'd have to you. Pastor Bill: [20:30] That's impossible there's there's no sir. Pastor Newms: [20:31] It has to be something that you are more of than anyone else. Pastor Bill: [20:35] For me to be something of more than anyone else. Pastor Newms: [20:38] Yes there is exactly that's what I'm saying loved because I love you more than anyone else. Pastor Bill: [20:48] Easy cuz you're beautiful Duke de doodle-do. Pastor Newms: [20:57] Hello go back to that City inaccurate. Pastor Bill: [20:59] With the South Park version, Loving You Is Easy cause you're beautiful. Pastor Newms: [21:07] No we don't know we don't. Pastor Bill: [21:08] Do do do. Pastor Newms: [21:12] Rayne says you're loud. Pastor Bill: [21:14] There are Divergent. Pastor Newms: [21:17] Phoenix is just for all of us is neurodivergent. Pastor Bill: [21:21] All the people pictures of all the. Pastor Newms: [21:23] We have a whole dictionary and it's just a flip book and it's that word and just all the. Pastor Bill: [21:28] Te te te te te te te te te te. Pastor Newms: [21:30] Just a list of names and then the next page that yeah the next page just as liars and it's all people who say they're not. Pastor Bill: [21:42] The nuero-divergent and the liars. Pastor Newms: [21:47] And then in the front of it is. Pastor Bill: [21:52] Okay but then if everyone's neurodivergent then no one's no diversion anymore it's just that's normal. [22:08] 18 or the 1990s. Pastor Newms: [22:10] At time when we're usually already talking that's a movie in the 90s. Pastor Bill: [22:14] A movie in the late 1900’s. Pastor Newms: [22:17] Where it was called Angus. Pastor Bill: [22:22] Angus like the beef. Pastor Newms: [22:24] It was called Angus was just great movie it's Angus like the beef it has in see built here goes Biggs he's already starting it there was it's never I've never seen it come out on DVD, I pulled it up one time and it was such bad quality that it was I found a download of it and it was the quality was unwatchable on Modern, TVs. Pastor Bill: [22:55] Oh yeah it was it was filmed in Auto auto what Tona Minnesota so yeah I can imagine it was awful. Pastor Newms: [23:07] Yeah but the whole purpose of the movie was this is where is this kid named Angus and you get to a certain point and he's a science, person trying to do an experiment he gets to a point where he talks about how the fact that there is no normal because as soon as one person is normal then no one can be, different or no one can be a freak because there is then everyone is a freak therefore, everyone is normal and there is no such thing as normal and it's this whole thing and the whole time that the movies progressing there's a science experiment going on and there's all this it's really good it's great movie, I've seen it like twice on television type thing like so I have no idea the whole movie probably and there's probably some terrible thing about it that I don't know. Pastor Bill: [23:58] Here's where you can buy the DVD of it on Walmart. Pastor Newms: [24:03] But was it remastered but look at the picture on the front of how bad the quality is I guarantee this would not they've not remastered this. Pastor Bill: [24:14] It's only got a picture of the cover it's great from the producer of Cool Runnings, Facebook Facebook rejected the the link so if you're on Facebook and you want the link and go to YouTube or Discord. Pastor Newms: [24:33] Okay you ready for this it's release I was wrong was 2009. Pastor Bill: [24:41] Hey got a theatrical release wow. Pastor Newms: [24:42] Theatrical release was 2012. Pastor Bill: [24:46] After it straight to video release. Pastor Newms: [24:49] Stir its regular release which means either straight-to-video or straight to TV um like. Pastor Bill: [24:59] Well there you go there's the. Pastor Newms: [25:00] I just I want it I do I've wanted it for you. Pastor Bill: [25:03] Actually it looks like they only have one inside. Pastor Newms: [25:07] Yeah it's probably not going to happen. Pastor Bill: [25:09] No like yeah Walmart has one in stock. Pastor Newms: [25:12] Anywhere. Pastor Bill: [25:13] For 14.99. Move to DVD. Pastor Newms: [25:25] Once and it's actually the VHS rip to a DVD. Pastor Bill: [25:29] Walmart's little bootleg DVDs all right, this week's podcast smooth transition, this week's podcast I called the Holy Spirit a gift for all and you gotta be careful when he's talking about the holy spirit because there are, um there are some divisive issues that exist in Christendom and this is definitely one of them. Pastor Newms: [26:01] What. Pastor Bill: [26:04] Personal stories are accepted in this conversation right and straight scripture is accepted in this conversation but we're not going to we're going to refrain from making statements, that aren't just quoting scripture or as part of a story of experience okay Pastor Newms, okay and go your turn to talk. Pastor Newms: [26:32] I don't think I can do that but we can try nope you're starting first I won't know where you're going before I go where I'm. Pastor Bill: [26:38] You always do this it's the pressure of being the host its so pressure so much. Pastor Newms: [26:43] Because in the notes that I actually wrote notes for this this time, the I wrote notes for this one actually which you know I normally don't do it just comes out the way I had to study this time I ended up texting everything to Tina because I was studying in the car and so then I was text, I had Tina writing it down and texting it to me what I was thinking about and what I was looking at and what I was and so that I actually had no it's a supposed to. Pastor Bill: [27:11] Why were you sitting in the car. Pastor Newms: [27:13] Like scribbles on my whiteboard like normal or like you know, because I studied some earlier this week and then I was doing final study while I was sitting in front of a Kroger and while I was getting gas. Pastor Bill: [27:28] You mean you actually left the house. Oh yeah I think it's the place yeah you sure did. Pastor Newms: [27:35] I told you we had a thing at the place nothing at my parents had Biggs's house, and so, I stayed in the car didn't go in the store hey I don't go to the store and listen I have to and it's like 6:00 in the morning ain't nobody else in there. Pastor Bill: [27:55] We're going to start and this is this is all I gave Newms by the way. Pastor Newms: [27:59] Okay go. Pastor Bill: [28:00] We're calling it this and we're starting with Acts chapter 1 verses 4 through 8 this is all the information I gave Newms, Pastor Newms: I forgot that. Pastor Bill: You did? Because you even you even put it into the so you wouldn't remember it. Pastor Newms: [28:19] I know I know I know I do, I know I. Pastor Bill: [28:26] Chapter 1 verses 4 through 8, while he was with them and this he that he is Jesus while he was with them he commanded them not to leave Jerusalem but to wait for the Father's Promise which he said you have heard me speak about, for John baptized with water but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit in a few days, so when they come together they asked him Lord are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time, he said to them it is not for you to know times or periods that yes that the father has set by his own authority, but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come on you and you will be my Witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the Earth end of the Earth not in interview, sir but the pause there I am. So this is Jesus you know when he's talking about John baptized with water and we've talked about in the past how Jesus never water baptized anyone, any events where it says, and Jesus and the disciples and they were baptizing it gives you that little caveat that says although Jesus himself never baptized anyone his disciples were baptizing people with, and then we're in that 40 days where Jesus met with the disciples, after his crucifixion after he as it Peter tells us descended, to share the gospel with those who were dead then he spent some time on Earth meeting with them showing himself to people, and that's when he says this thing to them that's when he tells them you know John baptized with water, but you're going to be baptized with the Holy Spirit and that's going to happen in a few days and. So this issue of the Holy Spirit when, when I was in high school there was well it's still there there's a local Baptist Church here in my hometown and the pastor of that church was one of the history teachers in our high school. And I don't know how it got I never had him as one of my teachers but he was teachers of teacher of people that I knew in high school and I don't know how the topic came up but for some reason it came up in history class, and he told his students that it was his belief that the Holy Spirit was only given. To those 11 people 11 men who were in that meeting with Jesus, when he said in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit, and that this dispensation of the Holy Spirit ended when those men died and that was his belief and I was rather flabbergasted by this. Wow I thought it was really weird that he believed that and obviously you do too because Pastor newms because you're making a face. Even even following the the life of Peter and his Revelation that salvation and the Holy Spirit were available for the Gentiles as well, like what do you do with that. And so also you have to there's other people that helped this this thought process about the Holy Spirit where, you know it came and was for a time and then we don't have access anymore like you're talking about and so let's turn to John chapter 14, and look at verse 17. You know what let's back up to verse 15 John chapter 14 where to start in verse 15, if you love me you will keep my commands now can we pause there what are Jesus commands. Pastor Newms: [34:46] Sorry know who I'm done. Pastor Bill: [34:53] Love God, by loving your neighbor by loving yourself love yourself so that you can love your neighbor so that you can love God those are his commands right yes, I just I see a lot of people touting out this this, 14:15 here and going well that's not love I don't I don't love you because I keep your commands except, the commands he's talking about are literally, love yourself love your neighbor and love God. Pastor Newms: [35:28] And and so I even that is questionable on whether he gave that as a command or he gave it as the answer to what is the greatest commandment. Pastor Bill: [35:45] I would say they're one in the same that it's that it's not an either or but it's one in the same. Pastor Newms: [35:50] And then some people would say everything he said was a command. Pastor Bill: [35:57] Yeah but for men that preached in Parables that's a little. Pastor Newms: [36:00] That's a little hard so. Pastor Bill: [36:02] It's a little interesting too. Pastor Newms: [36:05] But continue. Pastor Bill: [36:08] If you love me you will keep my commands and I will ask the father and he will give you another counselor to be with you forever, he is the spirit of Truth the world is unable to receive him because it doesn't see him or know him but you do know him because he remains with you and will be in you now, hearing Jesus say this I can 100% relate with Peters viewpoint, that the holy spirit is only for the Jews because from a cultural Viewpoint it was the Jews and the world, right it was a Jews and everyone else where these the Gentile world the Jesus just said it's not for the world that's not what Jesus was talking about right. Pastor Newms: [37:06] Right it was talking in the physical plane of existence. Pastor Bill: [37:11] Um okay and then, let's jump over to verse 26 John 14:26 all right so we're in the same chapter, and I'm just going to back up to verse 23 let's just Jesus answered. In response to Judas and the Bible feels the need to specify not a scary it, but a different guy named Judas as somehow is going to receive a themself to them but not to the world Jesus answers if anyone loves me he will keep my word, my father will love him and he will come to and make our home with him the one who doesn't love me will not keep my words the word that you hear is not mine but his from the father who sent me, I have spoken these things to you while I remain with you, but the counselor the Holy Spirit whom the father will send in my name will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you, all right so interesting side note this verse is taught in Islamic apologetics. Altered to drop the Holy Spirit, so they teach you to Islamic apologetics and say but the counselor whom the father will send in my name will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you and make the claim that Muhammad, was that counselor so, if you come across that don't be afraid to pull out your Bible and go well let's read that, ourselves now what they're going to say is yeah but the Bible has been changed that that's not that it's been corrupted it's been changed and that's fine they can say that if they want that's, I mean we we believe in faith not in concrete substance right so they said if they want that's not a big deal, um okay where are we going from there you have anything you want. Pastor Newms: [39:50] I don't know where I don't have your notes. Pastor Bill: [39:52] You have anything you want to inject at this point. Pastor Newms: [39:55] I'd like to jump to John 16, 16:7 since we're in John why not. Pastor Bill: [40:08] Why not. Pastor Newms: [40:09] Yet because I have spoken these things to you sorrow has filled your heart, nonetheless I'm telling you the truth it is for your benefit that I go away because if I do not go away the counselor we're not come if I go I will send him to you, when he comes he will convict the world about Sin righteousness and, about sin because they do not believe in me about righteousness because I am going to the father and you will no longer see me and about judgment because the ruler of this world has been judged, I still have many things to tell you but I cannot you cannot bear them now, and then when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all the truth for he, will not speak on his own but he will speak whatever he hears he will also declare to you what is to come he will glorify me because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you, the end of that thought is everything the father has is mine this is why I told you he takes from what his mind and will declare it to you and. It's interesting one that it has to be said again, I almost feel I feel sorry for Jesus so often when he's when we're reading biblical accounts because the disciples were little thick-headed, like as we saw in 14 twice he has to say the same thing and then 16 which isn't that long of a time after, he goes through the whole thing again and it's like guy's butt, the world because you know one of the one of the things you had said you know that people certain Christians believed was that it wasn't for, the Gentiles that was only for the Jews and here he specifically talks about no this is to the world. Pastor Bill: [42:35] And Peter was the first one to, come across this Revelation that oh Jesus literally meant everyone and then goes back to the rest of the church and the church is like you're crazy but that can't be right. Pastor Newms: [42:53] So I do find that to be interesting, along that line because it you know we talked also often about the Holy Spirit in conjunction with Christianity, and with Christians and people that have been saved but on the same token here it says the world period, not Believers not to you when he specifically talking to Christians not to you when he's talking about Jews not to it can't be misconstrued this this particular passage cannot be misconstrued as oh he's only talking to a group he's saying to everyone, it will be what convicts you of sin not go back and look at the what's already been written it's what will can show you what is righteousness it will teach you, and judge you because other people have you know the ruler of this world which is, thank you when your brain forgets the word Satan Satan's or devil that's when you might need to sit down somewhere. Pastor Bill: [44:17] So whenever that comes up my brain goes through the card deck samael Lucifer Satan devil Devils the word that's most accepted today devil that's what we're going with right now. Pastor Newms: [44:31] I was in I was somewhere recently and they started home about Satan and they were you Satan Satan Satan Satan he is he is he is like actually Satan's is the. Pastor Bill: [44:40] Actually that word yeah Satan's. Pastor Newms: [44:44] Okay I know what you mean though I can go with what you mean I agree with what you mean. Pastor Bill: [44:48] And if we're really gonna if we're really going to drill down into the that word it Loosely means adversary but more than that it means, the when you're at a trial and you have the defense team and then you have the lawyers that are representing the state and they're bringing the charges, it's what that word means it's the prosecutors. Pastor Newms: [45:14] So that that was something that really jumps out at me is the whole the world aspect and so that was one of my notes delete, then are you done for a minute would you like me to. Pastor Bill: [45:35] For a minute sure. Pastor Newms: [45:37] Or would you like to continue and I can't. Pastor Bill: [45:38] I have some Old Testament scriptures to bring up but they're more tack on notes than anything else. Pastor Newms: [45:45] So if we jump to 1st John 4:7. [45:52] It says dear friends. Pastor Bill: [45:54] You need to hold you to slow down people need to be able to turn to first John. Pastor Newms: [45:59] They can pause it it's a podcast. Pastor Bill: [46:01] I can't pause it I didn't know you wanted me to turn to first John. Pastor Newms: [46:05] Dear friends let us love one another because love is from God and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God, and that's important when I pull back to the Old Testament scriptures that I want to touch on. Pastor Bill: [46:23] Keep going man. Pastor Newms: [46:26] I'd have to turn to it I was reading out of my notes. Pastor Bill: [46:29] Verse 8 the one who does not love does not know God because God is love, God's love was revealed Among Us in this way, God sent his one and only son into the world so that we might live through him when people are like oh no I love them I love them really are you being passionate patient are you showing, okay compassion would you literally die for that person, would you literally put your son in danger to save their life this is how we know what love is. Pastor Newms: [47:11] And so and that ties back to the Old Testament scriptures I want to bring up so let's see what your Old Testament scriptures are first now I want to see yours. Pastor Bill: [47:20] No I'd be better for yours first and then we'll tack on, usually days ending in y are the ones that you have trouble problems. Pastor Newms: [47:34] Sure it's really true I want to go to Genesis 2:7. Pastor Bill: [47:39] We going all the way back. Pastor Newms: [47:41] When all the way back run all the way back to prove that point. Pastor Bill: [47:47] Genesis 2. Pastor Newms: [47:48] So and then God formed the Man Out of the Dust from the ground this is a verse everyone knows, everyone who is steeped in in Christian he's knows from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils and Man became a living being, that's all that's all I wanted to touch now if we look at what's said in first John. Pastor Bill: [48:17] All right good do you continue the thought. Pastor Newms: [48:23] So if we you know you look at the first John when it talks about you know God loves God, is connected to you know those kind of things and then the god breathed, that breath is what is translated as either Soul or Spirit depending on your beliefs I know we've had a whole nother podcast about that in the past but that is the part of you that connects, to God, and so that I just wanted to touch on that and then I'll let you go year old testament scriptures and then I got one more at the end. Pastor Bill: [49:03] Okay let's start with since we're in Genesis 2. Pastor Newms: [49:07] Oh yes. Pastor Bill: [49:10] You don't know what I'm about to say so you know how there's a creation story in Genesis 1. Pastor Newms: [49:17] Huh. Pastor Bill: [49:18] And then another creation story in Genesis 2, so Genesis 2 is historically the first installment of the Book of Genesis, and then when the Israelites get taken into captivity in Babylon Babylon, that we were talking about earlier in a previous episode where that then creates a Samaritans, Genesis what we consider Genesis chapter 1 was written during that time frame, inspired by the Babylonian creation myths, so the story that Moses wrote down as the creation story started with what we call Genesis chapter 2, and then this other stuff was tacked on later not saying it's illegitimate, positioning historically it was added when they were in Exile in Babylon and reflects a Judy a, judeo viewpoint on Babylonian creation myths. But as we talked about before it's my personal View that all religions exist from glimpses of the same divine. Pastor Newms: [50:54] We have. Pastor Bill: [50:55] We all peer into the Divine and we translate what we saw, through our own viewpoints okay that's all I want to say about that so let's go to, and these are pretty thund ational scriptures for anyone who's been in the church for a while you're going to recognize these statements probably, I'm trying to decide if it's better to go to Isaiah first or Joel first. Pastor Newms: [51:28] I mean we should always lead with Isaiah right I mean it's kind of the more well-known. Pastor Bill: [51:32] I think Joel is making reference back to Isaiah. Pastor Newms: [51:37] Joel's more of a deep cut. Pastor Bill: [51:40] Let's start with Isaiah we're going to go to Isaiah chapter 32 and probably start in verse 15, forgive me for not knowing. Pastor Newms: [51:57] We should start in 14. Pastor Bill: [51:59] Where Isaiah is because I never memorized the books of the Bible lists because that's not really how my brain works so. Pastor Newms: [52:10] 15 starts with until-- mean, really want to start with until-- Pastor Bill: [52:16] Well yeah it starts with until. Pastor Newms: [52:18] A lowercase until-- in the csb. Pastor Bill: [52:20] Yes. Pastor Newms: [52:25] And the verse before it ends with a. Pastor Bill: [52:30] Now I get that so basically everything leading up to that is is going to be bad and dry and thirsty and parched until-- the spirit from on high is poured out on us then the desert will become an orchard and the orchard will seem like a forest, and this is this is textbook Isaiah to be, like that poetic imagery so now we're going to jump ahead to Isaiah chapter 44 and probably started in verse 3. Basically he's God's making an encouragement statement be encouraged don't see her for I will pour water on the Thirsty land and streams on the dry ground, I will pour out my spirit on your descendants and my blessings on your Offspring and we're going to keep going, this is verse for now they will Sprout among the grass like poplars by flowing streams, this one will say I am the Lord's, another will use the name of Jacob still another will write on his hand the Lord's and take on the name of Israel, so we see here Isaiah is talking about the pouring out of this of the spirit but we also see him talking about three religious splits, that are going to happen after that point and we literally, when we see that happen and more even explodes off and off and I mean now we have all these denominations okay, Joel all jewelry 2:28 in this is the last verse I have for tonight. Pastor Newms: [54:51] One more. Pastor Bill: [54:51] If you've never read newms has another verse if you've never read The Book of Joel I don't recommend it, um Pastor Newms: [55:01] Why are you going. Pastor Bill: [55:02] Unless. Pastor Newms: [55:03] Okay no it looked like you were going way to the back and I'm like dude no that's not that's not where Joel is homie I know you didn't memorize but it's in the old side not the new sites. Pastor Bill: [55:14] Joel Joel is not for the faint of heart or for the, new new reader of the word, let's put it that way alright Joel 2:28 after this after what, it really doesn't matter in the Book of Joel because nothing Joel rights is in order. Pastor Newms: [55:39] He likes to Jump Around. Pastor Bill: [55:43] Theoretically see things and then he would go and after the thing I just saw. Blah and not tell anybody what he saw okay after this I will pour out my spirit on all Humanity all, Humanity then your sons and your daughters will prophesy your old men will have dreams and your young men will see visions, I will even pour out my spirit on the male and female slaves in those days I will just play wonders in the heavens and on the earth Blood Fire and Columns of smoke and then he gets a little apocalyptic, the sun will be turned to Darkness and the moon to blood before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes that great and terrible day of the Lord is a, reference to the Judgment seat, at the end that the Jews believed in the Christians believe in, that's the great and terrible day of the Lord then everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved for there will be an escape for those on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem as the Lord promised among the survivors the Lord calls, so the survivors the Lord calls are those who attain salvation because as we've seen before the Lord calls everyone it is God's will that none should perish, but like I said Joel's a little intense if you're unfamiliar with. Pastor Newms: [57:17] Is it gets a good way to put Joe. Pastor Bill: [57:23] With what's going on in Scripture all right so what scripture did you want to share. Pastor Newms: [57:28] So my last scripture is Jobe, I know I know right Jobe 34, 14 and 15 and so sure. Pastor Bill: [57:54] Can I share an interesting note first and how my brain works so if you're reading the Bible chronically in chronicle chronological order read Genesis chapters 1 through 11, and then you read the book of job and then you go back and start Genesis chapter 12. Pastor Newms: [58:13] I picked really deep Cuts like I picked like beginning, of the Old Testament because so many people often say well this is talked about only in the New Testament the holy spirit is only talked about here this doesn't apply for this reason or this doesn't know this is this is beginning of time stuff guys like this is creation this is right after creation. Pastor Bill: [58:34] There were more references in the what's the word about my brain wants to say to Nook, but I'm going to start word no in the Jewish scriptures, Torah there were more references in the torch of the Holy Spirit but when the Christian Church adapted the Holy Spirit as something they were saying and and blah blah blah, then most of the references in the Torah to Holy Spirit were worded differently to reflect God or Lord or things like this so there were more references before, and over time it got changed. 14 through 15. Pastor Newms: [59:24] Just so we know job for those that might not there's a lot going on in job and job. Pastor Bill: [59:34] You're like you. Pastor Newms: [59:35] Praise a lot in Earnest is a good way to say that because of situations that are going on around him and to him and near him. Pastor Bill: [1:00:08] This is alive. Pastor Newms: [1:00:10] So is this a lie who at this point. Pastor Bill: [1:00:12] Mmm Yeah. Pastor Newms: [1:00:13] Okay this is one of his. Pastor Bill: [1:00:15] Confronting job. Pastor Newms: [1:00:16] Yeah is one of it so that is so job is pouring out to his friends who were in the room and then his one of his friends, is kind of clapping back at him like will you just need to and this is in that one of those sections I was actually scrolling up to see, which situation it was and he says if he puts his mind to it. Pastor Bill: [1:00:39] This is this is the same friend that says things like they died in their youth their life ends amongst male cult prostitutes which was like the worst insult you could use of the day ever. Pastor Newms: [1:00:54] His friends were kind of interesting Souls, so it says if he puts his mind to it and withdrew the spirit, and breath he gave every living thing would perish together and Mankind would return to dust, and the reason I say that yes it's not God saying it yes it's not, but it's just that thought process that way back then they understood closer than we do now that, that breath that spirit that the lord gave us that he breathed out of himself without that we're dead we're done we're checked out we literally fall to the ground, now we wouldn't literally turn to dust we're not vampires but over time we would turn to dust that's what he means he doesn't mean just poof dust but you know semantics let's be clear. Pastor Bill: [1:02:02] Actually the Jewish thought of the day was when the spirit was removed from the body that's when rigor mortis and decay. Pastor Newms: [1:02:11] Which makes sense so. Pastor Bill: [1:02:15] From their Viewpoint it does. Pastor Newms: [1:02:16] Yeah so, in that that's that's really what I wanted to do and and I came across something that was interesting when I was when I was looking at stuff and this guy writes you know I'm not the first person, to challenge The View that Christians are the only people that have the Holy Spirit. And then he adds a quote from someone else this, I'm going to read the quote first and then I'll say who it's from cuz, I cannot make myself believe that God did not reveal himself in other religions I believe that God works through Gandhi and the spirit of Jesus, saturated his life it's ironic, inescapably true that the greatest Christian of the modern world was a man who never embraced Christianity because to be Christian is to be Chris, this is me talking to be Christian is to be Christ-like and so often we ignore that part now the person who said that was dr. Martin Luther King jr. who I don't you know he had some interesting beliefs sometimes and he's from a sec of Christianity that I don't always agree with but, I don't fully agree with that statement in everything that it says but, it is interesting that this is not a New Concept this is a concept that's throughout the Bible that, you know the Holy Spirit has been poured out throughout. Pastor Bill: [1:03:56] On all mankind. Pastor Newms: [1:03:58] And that. Pastor Bill: [1:03:59] If it wasn't then no one would ever feel convicted for sin that's what we read we read it. Pastor Newms: [1:04:07] And no one would according to you know but job's friends said no one would still walk we're all checked out. Pastor Bill: [1:04:17] That's exactly the same there but. Pastor Newms: [1:04:19] It's not it's not but there is just that interestingness of there are, so much around the holy spirit that we can argue about as Christians one of the points we should not is that it is for all people because, God is love anyone who loves loves has you know part of God is what we read, in order for that to be true unless you believe that anyone who says I love you or shows love or shows any of the fruits of the spirit. Is is is is not, you know that's that whole thing it's interesting to me often when you have people there's this View and Christianity that people try to do and say sometimes which is, people who aren't Christians can't truly have morals you know you hear this every now and then and a Christian will be like, well how do you just keep from murdering people, because it's wrong like the and it's because we have convictions why is it that most modern religions, and most, countries that exist in most humans walking around the world have a set of beliefs where they draw that line, like they like you know there are certain things most people agree is wrong. Murder is wrong there's not many people who are like well I like it it's like okay but you still know it's wrong like. Pastor Bill: [1:06:19] Let's let's let's draw this out some and just kind of get a big picture view of of a of a detail here the holy spirit is what convicts of sin. What convicted of sin before the Holy Spirit came. Pastor Newms: [1:06:39] It's a good question and how do we have, yes but on the same. Pastor Bill: [1:06:50] Is given and spread and as it spread, it became the conductor and if we look back let's say pre-flood. Pastor Newms: [1:07:02] Hm Pastor Bill: [1:07:05] There was no conviction everyone just did what they wanted, and I got darker and darker and darker and darker and then a new law was given and what was that new law, don't kill nobody I was the one law that was given to Noah don't kill nobody and it spread, the law convicts, did the lock in the end it was a merciless convict ER and I merciless judgment judge and now the Holy Spirit convicts and the Holy Spirit is a merciful, convict her who is an extension of a merciful judge. So I thought we would look at that aspect there for. Pastor Newms: [1:08:01] Yeah and. Pastor Bill: [1:08:05] And you can do with that at home as you want I don't care believe it don't believe it compare it to scripture I don't care what you do with it, because anything that doesn't have anything to do with me what I care about is whether or not you verify it, you can dismiss it or you can verify it. Pastor Newms: [1:08:38] Non salvation issues. Pastor Bill: [1:08:38] Squabbles I don't care about squabbling over other things. Pastor Newms: [1:08:42] But yeah so that that's really just what I wanted to touch on was just the fact of you know it's our connection to God through the spirit is, everything it's not just so often fine go. Pastor Bill: [1:09:06] Your virtual camera click there for a second if we go back to that Genesis 2 and we talked about God breathing life, into that's very poetic way to put it but when you go back to the original language it paints this whole picture that's more akin to God removing a piece of himself, and shoving it into mankind we are made of the same stuff inside that God is. Pastor Newms: [1:09:40] A piece of him. Pastor Bill: [1:09:42] Almost literally a piece of him so. Pastor Newms: [1:09:52] I had something else but I lost it when you when you shoving pieces down people's throats I'd lost what I was going to say. Pastor Bill: [1:10:00] All right so let's have a fun little thought experiment for like 10 12 minutes. Pastor Newms: [1:10:07] Wow where you go for an hour and a half tonight I let's do. Pastor Bill: [1:10:09] Yeah we're going over now 9:30 do we live, in a simulation. Pastor Newms: [1:10:16] Does it matter. Pastor Bill: [1:10:20] Okay play along please. Pastor Newms: [1:10:23] Okay Define simulation. Pastor Bill: [1:10:28] You define simulation what is a simulation. Pastor Newms: [1:10:33] Exactly, if it is I would agree we're a simulation do I think. Pastor Bill: [1:10:51] Simulations have a set standard of something that's trying to be accomplished okay here's my point here's here's my thing, all this talk we live in a simulation we live in it now and and Peep in a lot of Christians like nah that's stupid we have God God created everything we live our lives okay, Paul talks about over and over and over again this world is not my home, and this world is just a shadow of temporary things to come and I'm only here, to have faith so it's like saying the world is a simulation you're basically just embracing Paul's teachings in the New Testament, that all of this is fake and that God created a simulation that we call the universe, put us here in the stimulation for us to learn faith and when we learn faith, after the start time of the simulation we get to go on to be with God and if we didn't learn Faith then we failed the simulation and we go off to, this other place. Pastor Newms: [1:12:15] We're past an hour I'm going to say people get really really butthurt when you say you might live in a simulation we're past an hour you're getting uncut it happens, people get real upset about that and it's like why will because I am a person and I'm alive no one said you weren't. Pastor Bill: [1:12:33] I said you weren't. Pastor Newms: [1:12:34] I was watching something that really made me go huh recently and I only watched a couple episodes of it so I don't recommend it don't even know what it's called, it's a show about an afterlife, upload it thank you and if you when you die if you do certain things your brain can get uploaded, into this computer for money and when it happens you then continue to live inside a simulation, and depending on how much you spend is depends on what you get and all this kind of stuff and you can still interact with the outside world and it was interesting because one point when I was watching it, and like I said I didn't watch much of it so I have no idea anything about it let's be clear literally watch I think I think I watched two episodes. Pastor Bill: [1:13:25] I watched it there's a season 2 coming. Pastor Newms: [1:13:27] So interesting and in it I had a thought though I was like the whole world's kind of like that, picked us out of Eternity shoved us here and was like figure it out see you in a couple of years you know and, not to say that he's hands off that's not what I'm trying to say because you can again in this show you can interact with the world world which we can interact with the real word world through you know, prayer and things he gave us but I've always found that to be interesting similar to The Matrix on the whole like, there's a reason you know we are connected in a certain way and there's this, in The Matrix there's the song that's played in I think the third one by one of my favorite bands. And it's called sleeping awake and it's talking about Zion which is a city in, The Matrix in the world world and it's talking about trying to get there and the whole time I'm just sleeping awake and so it's you know I'm asleep because I'm in a computer simulation, so my real body is asleep but I am awake and it's the trying to get to Zion and and it's an interesting song because especially people external to Christianity was like oh yeah this is a banger like this is really great this sums up the movie so well blah blah blah and then the rest of us are like, yeah but no seriously we're stuck here where we don't want, you know to live is Christ to die is gain like we're this isn't it this is I'm just trying to get somewhere else and that's completely what the songs about you missed it but it's okay because you didn't know pod was a Christian band so you know, but anyway that's my that's my concept of a simulation of, what's a simulation I need definition do I believe we're sitting in a computer right now like The Matrix, the think so and there's guards computer is just way more awesome than what we understand. Pastor Bill: [1:15:38] Bright not a computer like we Define it but possibly some kind of processor is running the universe, I had saw Tik-Tok probably two weeks ago and this girl was talking about, she said I know we live in a simulation I believe the science has proved we live in a simulation but here's my question, why hasn't the person who created the simulation just come and told us what the simulation is for, and I was like, Jesus. Pastor Newms: [1:16:10] And all the prophets and all the. Pastor Bill: [1:16:12] Came and told us what the simulation was for he literally this is the creator literally came and was rejected. Pastor Newms: [1:16:22] Uploaded himself into an avatar walked around told us what was going on and then check back out. Pastor Bill: [1:16:28] Yeah and and only parts of us believed it and entertaining, so that's all I have for this week. Pastor Newms: [1:16:40] Everyone no one really talked much this week I would like to say. Pastor Bill: [1:16:44] Now that the chat stayed pretty quiet this week. Pastor Newms: [1:16:46] Makes me sad on the inside. Pastor Bill: [1:16:49] Bad chat bad shot. Pastor Newms: [1:16:50] No no no we never say badge. Pastor Bill: [1:16:54] Don't shame the chat. Pastor Newms: [1:16:55] You don't shame the chat we just request feedback. Intro And Outro Music Pastor Bill: [1:17:00] No chat shame. Pastor Newms: [1:17:01] No chat Shamy. Pastor Bill: [1:17:02] I love you guys. Pastor Newms: [1:17:05] Except groggy groggy said some shameful chats tonight be safe out there guys. Pastor Bill: [1:17:13] And until next time.

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Pastor Bill: [0:00] Hello and welcome to the live recording of season 3 episode 66 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and as always, I'm here with Pastor Newms. How’s your day Pastor Newms? How's your week been? Pastor Newms: [0:23] My week's been pretty good, work is busy I know that is my standard answer. “Works been pretty busy.” And then we've, since Friday playing a new game and a new ark in Star Trek dropped, so I've been busy with that. And we're playing Borderlands with Gaming With The Pastors and yeah that's pretty much it. Pastor Bill: [1:05] Well I don't know, that new ark dropped and we resurrected the Ferengi Commerce Authority - sort of, with alternate characters in Star Trek, that new game Lost Ark came out so I'm playing that some today. Trying to get my feet wet there because like you said we've been streaming Borderlands 2 but we want to start streaming Lost Ark. Right? And so… Or not. Do we want to start? We're going to stream that or not? Pastor Newms: [1:42] That is the plan we are going to stream it I don't know if I haven't decided and I know you probably haven't fully decided yet either, if we go straight into it or we do like one of our streams a week is it and then, one as Borderlands 2 because Jack still needs to pay. Pastor Bill: [2:07] Still needs to pay for what he did. Pastor Newms: [2:10] And what he's done since then. Pastor Bill: [2:13] You know killing and capturing and torturing human beings who chose to be in a fight doesn't really affect me as emotionally as, killing an animal that was co-opted into a fight that didn't actually choose it for themselves so. Pastor Newms: [2:35] I mainly meant the now we're talking about a video game let's be clear this is not actual human beings I was talking about the whole you found out that he had enslaved and tortured his own daughter for that long. Pastor Bill: [2:48] That's true he did that and then also he. Pastor Newms: [2:50] I assumed that would affect you more than a bird. Pastor Bill: [2:53] He co-hosts assume that would affect you more than a bird but. Pastor Newms: [3:01] Going off of you know. Pastor Bill: [3:03] I had forgotten that even happened. Pastor Newms: [3:05] You are so traumatized by the bird still. Pastor Bill: [3:08] I remembered that he's he he sent those Bandits to go kill his grandma. Pastor Newms: [3:15] He did he also killed his own Grandma the game does a really good job of just really making you hate him more and more. Pastor Bill: [3:23] And every time he calls himself the hero of the story it's just it's like oh. Pastor Newms: [3:30] And using the same voice actor for the propaganda media which just you know proves too handsome Jack's narcissism that he is the media, that is interesting. Pastor Bill: [3:50] So Jack needs to pay or rather John as his real name is we found out this week needs to pay calls himself handsome Jackie's real name is John, but yeah he needs to pay so that's that's where our focus is in gaming at the moment but, and then we've got Borderlands 3 to go through as well and all the DLC stuff for Borderlands 2 and. Pastor Newms: [4:11] That I'm less worried about and we probably will Lost Ark before that mainly because it's mainstream right now and, I want to but we're not going to do the same thing we're doing with, Borderlands 2 which is stream every moment of us playing I am definitely playing some without streaming and then streaming some solo, Lost Ark as well no matter what the title said that I didn't update on Twitch when I went left, yeah. Pastor Bill: [4:50] All right well it is your week to pull a card so if you want to go ahead and pull that card will do. Pastor Newms: [4:55] Already I've already pulled the car everything's ready. Pastor Bill: [4:58] Will do Getting To Know The Pastors. Pastor Newms: [5:02] As he pulls out the card if you could walk into I'm getting. I'm getting you're not wearing your headset. Pastor Bill: [5:15] I'm not wear my headphones I pulled him in earlier to let him charge and then totally forgot to put them back on. Pastor Newms: [5:23] Hmm I'm like wait why do I why do I, why do I hear myself to you okay he fixed it okay here we go if you could walk into any painting, and actually experience the moment or seen that it depicts which painting would you choose to enter. Do do do do do do do why. Pastor Bill: [6:02] Why would I want to be in a painting. Pastor Newms: [6:05] No no it's about experiencing the moment that's going on in the painting. I think something surrealistic. Pastor Bill: [6:24] Like I said horrifying. Pastor Newms: [6:26] Yeah like like what Phoenix just said of Starry Night something that is like a Van Gogh how would it actually feel to exist in that plane of existence. Pastor Bill: [6:37] Horrifying. Pastor Newms: [6:39] We don't know that for sure it could be releasing it could be. Pastor Bill: [6:47] Well let me try to find out I'm swirly now I'm swirly. Pastor Newms: [6:55] I have to say Biggs I would have to disagree with the Last Supper just because, since you're going into the paintings realization you wouldn't be sitting at the actual life supper you'd be sitting at the artist's representation of The Last Supper. Pastor Bill: [7:13] With an Italian Prince and prisoners from the prison down the road. Pastor Newms: [7:18] Yeah yeah I would that I would, that's the only reason I would I see where you're going and I could agree that it would be a fascinating place in history to be at but the painting itself, I couldn't I could dogs playing poker that'd be another good one Biggs has a point the food in that painting does look good, figs I love you. He's not wrong he's not wrong in in that statement of, it has he's not wrong the food in that painting does look pretty good better than the food they had there that night I guarantee it. Pastor Bill: [8:18] The answer is none for me I can't think of a single painting that I would want to be in. Pastor Newms: [8:27] I think I think I'd like to experience. A surrealistic painting or. Dogs playing poker. Because I would love to walk into that room and be like sup dogs and they'd be like and then have to have to act like dogs again. Pastor Bill: [8:46] But that's dogs that can play poker I just Mmm. Pastor Newms: [8:52] They have to then act like they were regular dogs because you know that's how dogs are in reality they're that smart but they've done a really good job of pretending just to be dog. Pastor Bill: [9:00] No they're not. Pastor Newms: [9:01] And that would be that would be them calling calling out that there. Pastor Bill: [9:06] That's so ridiculous it's beyond ridiculous. Pastor Newms: [9:19] Just to feel how it would feel to not be in existence as a three-dimensional creature that we are stuck experiencing currently. I think surrealism tends to grasp those Concepts that we don't experience this three-dimensional creatures. Pastor Bill: [9:42] Okay then. Pastor Newms: [9:44] Anyway. Pastor Bill: [9:49] All right. Pastor Newms: [9:50] Wait wait secondary question I just thought of a secondary question let me read the let me read it again, okay now it does specify painting. So it's not it does not specify work of art okay, my mind was going to like well a comic book is a work of art and if we could experience what's going on in it that'd be kind of cool but then I was like no way it specifically said painting so not work of art. Pastor Bill: [10:24] Yeah specifically say painting. Pastor Newms: [10:28] I'm going to find some painting and send it to you and you're going to be like oh go to think about that that one I'd like to experience. Middle middle of middle of our real discussion I'ma be like this and your me like oh maybe. Pastor Bill: [10:55] To my fan on here and it started making weird noises my desk fan, it's good now so okay so tonight the title of tonight is hate the what, and so there's this common phrase you know the phrase, oh that's what happened accidentally turned on my printer that's was making noise, so many people, well now Zeta charms in on what she would want the painting to write as she says the Sistine Chapel by Michelangelo or Van Gogh's sunflowers. Pastor Newms: [11:43] Hmm it would prove whether or not the doctor was actually there if you could experience the events of sunflowers. That's her Shady that's that's a tease Shady way of trying to meet the doctor you see you see what she did there a guarantee that was her mindset. Pastor Bill: [12:06] That that episode forever because of that episode whenever I see a sunflower or think about that painting I always think about, and so I can never stop that thought. Pastor Newms: [12:30] So Zaidiee to correct her to correct myself I mean she says her that's not her motivation she's always loved that. Pastor Bill: [12:38] Mmm. Pastor Newms: [12:39] So I will give her that. Pastor Bill: [12:42] And when you bring up Michelangelo all I can think about is his dog skin boots that he got peeled off of his feet and remade every 6 months. Pastor Newms: [12:55] That's not something I know. Pastor Bill: [12:56] Yeah he he had custom dogs can boots made for his feet and he would put them on and then just leave them on and every six months he would go and have them surgically removed, and a new pair applied. Pastor Newms: [13:26] They weren't even good looking like I was thinking like moccasin Style no. When he was more robust so once he was fat. And sometimes it has been so long and taking them off the subsequently along with the boots he slapped off his skin like a snake Okay that is nasty. Pastor Bill: [14:02] Okay so, we're going to be spending time in Colossians chapter 3 tonight so if you want to pull that up or if you want to type that into the restroom client for me so it shows up, Arrow everywhere. Pastor Newms: [14:16] Colossians 3:1. Pastor Bill: [14:17] Yeah well we're going to spend time in the pretty much the whole chapter so if you just want to put in Colossians 3 so people can turn to Colossians 3 if you want to see what we're saying and follow along there that's what we're going to be so, there's this phrase that always. Pastor Newms: [14:35] I've lost Colossians found. Pastor Bill: [14:37] Bugs me that we use in in circles Christian circles it is what is it, hate the sin Love The Sinner. Pastor Newms: [14:48] I don't know yes that is a commonly used phrase. Pastor Bill: [14:56] This is an awful phrase that you should stop using if you're using this phrase you need to stop and we're going to find out why tonight just like last week we found out why we can no longer call Thomas doubting, this week we're going to find out why you can no longer say hate the sin Love The Sinner so we get this idea of hate the sin Love The Sinner from Colossians, um and the actual verse that inspired this this thought process is Colossians 3 verse 5, and we have to go to the King James version to get to the hate the sin, love the center part of this it is mortify Therefore your members which are upon the Earth. If we go to the CSB it says therefore put to death what belongs to your Earthly nature, which is more accurate in the Modern English to what, Colossians 3:5 is trying to express in the Middle English when you go to read that and somehow this idea of mortify became. But that's not what it means and it isn't intended as a statement for you too, look at someone else, and hate their sin it wasn't intended for you to use as this idea of well I don't approve of what you're doing but I love you that's not what this verse is talking about at all, this whole this chapter is an is an internal statement mortify put to death, the sin in your own life in your own body identify the things that separate you from God the things that the holy spirit is dealt with with you, that need change and address those that's that's where this is, and then the author of the author Colossians is Paul, probably Timothy actually, this is probably Timothy writing down notes base off of what Paul has been teaching him and Paul gets first credit because well he's Pole. Pastor Newms: [17:35] Well and they're they're his teachings written down by someone. Pastor Bill: [17:39] Paul an apostle of Christ Jesus by God's Will and Timothy our brother, is who gets credit for writing this so most likely this is Timothy's hand based off of Paul's teachings, so let's just dive in we're going to start in verse 1 and will will kind of be stopping from time to time 22 commentary how's that sound. Pastor Newms: [18:05] That that is what we standardly do. Pastor Bill: [18:07] So newms if you want to comment are you just let me know and then you can comment as. Pastor Newms: [18:11] I'll just talk over you I don't mind. Pastor Bill: [18:15] So Colossians chapter 3 once again we're just going to start in verse 1, so if you have been raised with Christ seek the things above where Christ is seated at the right hand of God set your minds on things above not on Earthly things, for you died and your life is hidden with Christ in God, when Christ who is your life appears then you also will appear with him in glory. If you followed along with breed Manifesto for a while or you've gone back and you've studied all of what Paul wrote in Romans and Corinthians, this is a loaded paragraph pointing back at a lot of Paul's teachings and when he says, Earthly things Paul spends a lot of time talking about how, the traditions of religion the traditions of man the the things that the church has set up the restrictions the church is set up these are Earthly things as well, he's not just talking about drinking and and and doing drugs and sex and around he's not talking about those, exclusively as Earthly things Paul does a really good job of what comes to mind is the passage where he says, um Don't touch don't taste don't indulge these are all human restrictions have nothing to do with your spiritual life and your spiritual issues with God, um So that was through verse for picking back up in verse 5 where we know the verse that spawned this statement, therefore put to death what belongs to your Earthly nature and he gives us a list of things that they've identified in their culture, in their lifestyle and their times that were things, that in themselves they need to put to death does this little still stand today, that's between you and God are the things on this list that don't exist today as standing in between you and God that's between you and God but the list they have here a sexual immorality, impurity lust evil desire and greed which is idolatry. Because of these God's Wrath is coming upon the disobedient and you once walked in these things when you were living in them, but now put away all the following anger wrath malice slander and filthy language from your mouth, do not lie to one another since you've put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self you are being renewed in knowledge according to the image of your creator, in Christ there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, slave and free, but Christ is all and in. Okay we're all the same we all have struggles we all have things that, pull us down we all have things that we were slaves to when we were a slave to sin the very thing that Christ died to fix to Deliver Us from being slaves to sin, in Christ we've dealt with that because there there's no dividing line there, it doesn't matter if you were born a Jew or if you were born a Greek it doesn't matter if you were circumcised or you weren't circumcised doesn't matter if you're a barbarian Scythian a slave or Freeman, Christ is all and in all. Pastor Newms: [22:08] You're listening you're listening people groups from that time period and when you said Barbarian I thought to myself what is gaming have to do with, and then I was like oh no no no no the the group of Barbarians that existed during the time of this writing now. Pastor Bill: [22:31] Another We're actual Barbarians than. So now we're addressing specifically Christians Christ is all and in all all of us a body of believers, Christ is in us right, therefore as God's chosen ones holy and dearly loved put on compassion kindness humility gentleness and patience, bearing within one another and forgiving one another if anyone has a grievance against another just as the Lord has forgiven you so you are also to forgive, all right. When you love someone when you walk in love these are the fruits of love compassion, kindness humility gentleness and, right so if you say I'm going to love the sinner now first off. I hate this idea of Sinner, because the whole new testament over and over and over paints a picture of a slave to sin, no one was not a slave and then CH of sin and then chose to become a slave of sin and therefore is a in the modern term sinner, we were born slaves to sin and therefore given no choice, but to sin that became our only choice because we were a slave to it but saying you are a sinner is placing that fault on the person, when the fault of this whole thing isn't on that person, because there were born a slave in Christ came to set us free from the slavery of sin. Newms stop looking for paintings to send me into. Pastor Newms: [24:55] I'm not looking for paintings I'm reading things no I do agree with you I stopped looking for paintings I looked through about 50 of them and none of them jumped out at me that you would want to be in there so I stopped no I, I agree with you in, the it's that whole connotation versus diction and the whole we've made, 31 minutes today and the whole fallacies of the English language. Pastor Bill: [25:27] Sorry my English language. Pastor Newms: [25:29] What sinner means and what Center is the term Center, means someone who is in sin and not, saved from sin and freed from sin in biblical, thought processes the problem is is we have as a culture taken that thought process of, well a sinner is someone who is actively sinning in a way that normally, my personal beliefs don't agree with and so we've made that word a loaded word, in not what it actually means which is someone who like you mentioned needs to be freed from their sin through Christ and, I think that's something that that loaded aspect, is where the big Crux of the conversation ends up with situations like this because I believe in its originality the phrase. Hate the sin Love The Sinner, or it's supposed to be love the sinner hate the sin love the sinner hate the sin is how it is supposed to be said to put the emphasis on love first, the love of the person first and the hatred for sin not, sin that's being committed by someone but sin in its entirety of the consequences of it, and the fact that we are slaves to it was, in my mind and how I've always taken it that original belief I hate the aspect of what sin can do to a person the consequences of it the things that. That happened because of it I hate the fact that we're all stuck in it I hate the fact that those aspects the problem is, is a lot of people use it very hypocritical lie, in the fact that they are actually judging the person and using that as the excuse, for not fully embracing the person but loving the person. Or this Southern aspect of oh God bless their soul they're just going through this right now. Pastor Bill: [28:30] I think though. Pastor Newms: [28:31] And you're like I don't think you're supposed to. Pastor Bill: [28:33] I really really don't like the phrase at all even the way you're seeing it I don't like the phrase at all because what it does is it says I know what a sin for that person, and I know better than they do and I can hear the Lord better than they can and so I'm going to pass judgment on what is sin in that person's life. Pastor Newms: [28:56] We'll see that's the difference it shouldn't be in that person's life The Love The Sinner means we love all, no matter what unconditionally it has nothing to do with the sin the problem is people took that phrase and attributed it to the same person I love this person I hate what they're doing that's. Pastor Bill: [29:20] The only way I've ever. Pastor Newms: [29:21] That phrase is. Pastor Bill: [29:22] Ever heard it used ever. Pastor Newms: [29:24] I agree but that's not what it was intended originally when I was looking at it, throughout today originally it was we need to love everyone and not judge them we hate sin and its consequences as God hates sin and its consequences, so we should it was originally we should not, I attribute that to that we should be separating it it's one of those phrases that is overtime, changed in morphed to what we do today which is use it as a judgmental phrase even let's be honest when we don't really mean it there are people who have used it. And not realized how judgmental it sounds and not meant it as an attack, when it really is and so it's a phrase that like so many others has become. Pastor Bill: [30:27] Ninety-nine percent of the time it doesn't matter what you intended to say as much as it matters how it was. Pastor Newms: [30:37] How it was taken yep and that's one of the issues with human human humanality. Pastor Bill: [30:43] Humanality. Pastor Newms: [30:46] Humanality is not a. Pastor Bill: [30:47] I like it though I'm gonna start using it human that I'm going to go put that on Urban Dictionary right now. Pastor Newms: [30:52] No I would not go to Urban Dictionary and type anything don't go searching that on don't do it. Pastor Bill: [30:58] Urban dictionary. Pastor Newms: [31:00] I have no idea but I don't advise it, so the way we the human psyche works you know it doesn't matter, what is said to you it matters how you feel and even when you take a step back and you're like okay that person didn't mean to attack me it's still very hard. Pastor Bill: [31:24] Oh Pastor Newms: [31:26] Yeah I told you not. Pastor Bill: [31:27] Don't go search humanality. Pastor Newms: [31:30] What did I say what did. Pastor Bill: [31:30] And don't use that word anymore. Pastor Newms: [31:33] Pastor Bill what did I say. Pastor Bill: [31:35] You said don't go look it up I went and looked it up. Pastor Newms: [31:41] Because all I did was think about all the letters that are in there and where it would end. Pastor Bill: [31:44] Yeah it was bad. Pastor Newms: [31:47] I told you not to you should trust me I've been in the worst parts of the internet. Pastor Bill: [31:51] That was bad don't do it. Pastor Newms: [31:54] Don't do it so I think that's something that, we often forget and I was having a conversation recently with someone about this whole situation of you know we are saying one thing, the people were saying it to feel completely different to what we're saying. Pastor Bill: [32:23] They're hearing. Pastor Newms: [32:24] And often times yeah they hear something completely different and that's why we have to be so so, careful with language and there's so much in certain circles, um especially Evangelical groups of well that person's just being said, and we look at it from a standpoint of I don't mean anything wrong by this word so I should be able to say this word but if the word or the phrase truly offends people, not people that are looking for a fence and just looking to dismantle you but they are truly hurt by something, which you can't judge you have to take it on their word that hey please don't use that phrase okay cool I won't use. Yeah and and we have to, try to do that we look at Paul's teachings of you know when I'm here I do this when I'm there I do that you know. Pastor Bill: [33:34] Being all things to all people. Pastor Newms: [33:35] Where we get the phrase where we get the phrase When in Rome, comes from his teaching of we have to be like the people around us to a certain degree in order to reach them and part of that is having that type of empathy and not using loaded phrases that have been used to attack people. Pastor Bill: [33:56] And Paul of all people knew this because he grew up. Pastor Newms: [34:02] Attacking people. Pastor Bill: [34:02] In well he grew up in the upper echelon of society you know in. Okay my brain went blank so continue I don't know. Pastor Newms: [34:13] The Pharisees. Pastor Bill: [34:18] I have no idea I don't even know what we were talking about. Pastor Newms: [34:20] The sect that Paul was growing up that Saul was being raised into in the in the in the teachings. Pastor Bill: [34:28] Okay I don't know. Pastor Newms: [34:31] Man your mind went. Pastor Bill: [34:32] I don't know how that's germane to what we're talking about I can't remember what you said.

Pastor Newms: [34:40] I'm Paul Paul understood using the correct language, amongst people because he was raised in the higher Echelon is the word you used I think of society okay cool, but yeah I mean it's something that we have to be very cognizant of and I think oftentimes, we as Christians art and so often as humans humans over all we seek to. Prove ourselves so when someone says well that's offensive well I didn't mean it that way it doesn't matter your, well I shouldn't have to change for that person but you kind of should you know if we want to reach people we have to at least be. Fundamentally respectful and show love and part of that is coming down, them coming and when I say down to them I don't mean that Christians are above anyone I mean getting into the same mindset into their minds down into them not down as a nun better. Pastor Bill: [36:13] Drilling down into. Pastor Newms: [36:15] Of their psyche yeah yes feet let's be clear. Pastor Bill: [36:18] Not coming down to drilling down into. Pastor Newms: [36:22] Let's yeah let's be clear on what I mean by that the, it's such an important aspect because in order to truly Reach people we have to, understand them we have to be sympathetic Jesus did not, hang out with Pharisees all day and hang out just with church people and act like church people, he hung out with fishermen and sat on fishing boats I'm sorry I love Jesus I do, we know that's the whole point of me being. Pastor Bill: [37:05] Probably mad man probably smoked like a fishmonger to hug though. Pastor Newms: [37:10] That man probably stay, and and I have problems I would have problems today if you were like I need you to go on a fishing boat, I'm be like I am the pastor of twitch I don't have to smell these people um I would have trouble personally I have trouble going to events, especially events that I thoroughly enjoyed as a nerd wearing a Venom shirt with my best friend wearing a DS9 shirt, I have problems going to nerd conventions because some of y'all don't shower, and that is not a personal attack that is just you get that many people in one room, sweaty this happens and if you are or aren't wearing deodorant hardcore comes out and if you're wearing bad deodorant it shows and some people are wearing way too cheap of deodorant for wearing a cosplay. Pastor Bill: [38:08] So I was I was at my mom's last night we were at dinner and we were talking about, um foods that Jesus ate in his lifetime and we started with foods that he probably ate and then I was thinking about it and I was like you know what, the only food that ever Point Blank says Jesus ate was fish and bread. Never talks about it meaning anything else, I mean obviously had a lamb because it was part of the Passover meal but it never actually says and he took the lamb and but it twice says that he ate Fish Point Blank says that he ate fish and once Point Blank says that he ate bread, now obviously drink wine he drank a lot of wine because everyone drank wine he probably started drinking wine and he was 13, um because you know clean water is hard to find clean wine is easy to find so everyone was drinking wine, it just struck me as odd, um and the fish thing it only ever says it after he resurrected twice after he resurrected he had a fish meal, and the bread was at the Last Supper. That's funny. Pastor Newms: [39:34] Down it but this says short answer a lot of bread, short answer a lot of bread that that's that's funny and they probably dipped it in olive oil. Pastor Bill: [39:54] Or wine but it was come to a bit in wine common to dip it in olive oil. Pastor Newms: [40:01] It's fish because they were there and his disciples were fishermen so that's what they knew how to get. Pastor Bill: [40:08] Yeah the new how to get fish. Pastor Newms: [40:09] Um I mean it's and he would be kosher of course so. Pastor Bill: [40:17] I was thinking about that too what do you be kosher since he was Spirit-filled couldn't eat anything you wanted. Pastor Newms: [40:24] He could have but I can almost guarantee. Pastor Bill: [40:26] Like when he was in private when no one was around he could have eaten anything he wanted to and he wouldn't if I was anyone. Pastor Newms: [40:32] But let's he wouldn't have but let's be honest the the ability to even get that kind of food. Pastor Bill: [40:43] They were occupied by Roman soldiers it was easy to get that kind of food. Pastor Newms: [40:46] No I'm saying I'm saying financially wise money you know it would been easier for him to have just been he could have we don't know but it would have been easier because we all know Jesus love to do the easy thing. Pastor Bill: [41:01] And we know he ate on a regular basis because when he's at the well and he meets the won't the Samaritan at the well, he had sent the disciples off to go get dinner go get some dinner bring it back we'll eat it here next to the well will you next to Jacob's Well they come back with the food they're like hey we got food for you and he's like I'm not hungry anymore I'm good, what did you did you secretly have food and sent us off to get food and he's like no no I had food you didn't know of but it wasn't food, what what did you say. Pastor Newms: [41:35] Yeah that was that was Jesus. Pastor Bill: [41:41] I got all tied up in Ministry and it satisfied me so. Pastor Newms: [41:45] Yeah. But yeah so I think it's something that we really have to search our own hearts and ensure that we are not doing things like using that phrase. Pastor Bill: [42:07] Well we just shouldn't use the phrase because we talked about the way things are being received phrases like that aren't being received well at all so we should stop using them. Pastor Newms: [42:15] They're not being received well but what I mean is phrases like that I don't disagree but what I'm saying is this phrases like that should, we need to search ourselves to make sure we're not feeling, those types of emotions of I hate what that person's doing but I love them because that in and of itself is being. Pastor Bill: [42:42] And that phrase I've heard you use a lot in reference to homosexuality. Pastor Newms: [42:49] That phrase is used a lot in that it's used a lot for people who how I grew up it's used a lot for people who drink it's used a lot for people who, living morally the whole he lives with his girlfriend you know things like that well I can't judge them. Pastor Bill: [43:10] You just judged them you're judging them right now. Pastor Newms: [43:11] You already did like I'm not judging them but they really need to think about their life choices. Pastor Bill: [43:17] No you're judging them right now that's what that is. Pastor Newms: [43:20] Yeah it's not on me what they do. Pastor Bill: [43:26] And there is an appropriate time to judge its win, you've shown love and they've welcomed you in as a trusted member of their Circle that's the time to go hey I don't think this is good for you but as a stranger that's not your place. Pastor Newms: [43:47] Yeah and the biggest thing is the aspects of hating sin, not because you hate that someone is doing something you see as Sin it's supposed to be hating the consequences, that you see them going through, you know the person who has the occasional drink no big deal the person who's the Raging alcoholic and they're stumbling into work and their family life is failing and everything around them is crumbling because they drink too much. Pastor Bill: [44:23] That's a problem. Pastor Newms: [44:23] It's not it's the hey I'm your friend can we talk about this because it's affecting your life there's negative consequences and it's those negative consequences that we have to focus on and try to help people with out of love of helping save them from negative consequences you know something that I've had a conversation with, in the past and I typically don't like to touch on specific things, during here because you know it can cause issues but someone asked me you know is it wrong to live with someone before you marry them, and I'm like well it depends on your intention and what do you mean by Mary I mean so it's that aspect like well in God's eyes will and God's eyes marriage is not the piece of paper that the government gives you. Pastor Bill: [45:14] Or the ceremony or any of that. Pastor Newms: [45:16] It's the commitment that you give to someone to spend the rest of your so you can do that outside of, anything else that commitment of this is the person spend the rest of my life with this is the person I Bond myself to this is the person. Pastor Bill: [45:32] If you're just fooling around and wasting each other's time for six months because it's more convenient, then that probably isn't good for either one of you and would be categorized as therefore sin because it's going to leave both of you broken and hurting and you know what I mean. Pastor Newms: [45:50] It has lasting effects. Pastor Bill: [45:53] And that's why we would call that sin because of the lasting negative effects. Pastor Newms: [46:00] There's that is what partially attributes to partially not fully partially attributes to the mindset we have As Americans of well in our, overall time period we live in of throwaway relationships, you know we view relationships as throw away because we train ourselves from when we were little, that oh I have a boyfriend no honey you're 6 you ain't got you ain't got a boyfriend you have a friend that's a boy that you like to hang out with more than the other boy. Pastor Bill: [46:32] And that's cool that's fine. Pastor Newms: [46:33] Good job you know. Pastor Bill: [46:35] Intimacy Intimacy in a relationship does not equal relationship romantic that's not how that works. Pastor Newms: [46:45] So because of that I think that that that that throwaway nature that we treat our lives with then affects us as we get older and we continue to, I believe we can easily throw away relationships, and so that continues to affect us forever and we see it all around us so it's not just a certain necessarily a it's a condition thing at this point that's why I say it's from children it's not just a, we see it all the time and so because of that we view it as okay now there are times when a relationship needs to be thrown away let's be clear not saying divorces, Eddie biblical cuz it's not there are times there are let's be clear. Pastor Bill: [47:32] If you're being abused leave don't work on your marriage from inside abuse if you want to save your marriage get to safety then save your marriage, period no get to safety I'm not I'm not. Pastor Newms: [47:52] No no get to safety there's not always a time to actually repair this. Pastor Bill: [47:55] No I'm saying if you want to save the marriage if you want to say get to Safety First. Pastor Newms: [47:58] I know yes get to safety first and then logically think about what the next step should be because some dudes and some chicks let's be clear, dude don't get. Pastor Bill: [48:15] The occlusion house the breed Manifesto we will never endorse oh just suffer through it no, no there's no there's nothing biblical about just suffer through it that that's not reality that's that's disgusting all right. Pastor Newms: [48:36] Again human beings making a judgment on someone else's lifestyle and how they should live their lives as opposed to any. Right that's the thing is is the importance is, the faith hope and love greatest of these is love you know I'm saying it sarcastically because we say it so much it sometimes becomes so it's a joke, but the thing is is it is what is most important in these things when we look at a phrase like this that I've used for years, I come from an independent fundamentalist you know, Baptist background then Southern Baptist then whatever I was and now whatever I am and, I used to use six words to Define my Christianity which is just insanity and doesn't make any sense but, I thought I had to put it in a box and so I did and you know we coming from that background it's a comment. Pastor Bill: [49:47] Humans humans and our boxes in our labels. Pastor Newms: [49:50] We love boxes and this is one of those times that we do this is how this is one way that we put other people in a box that person is a sinner I love them, but I hate how they are that's not love. Pastor Bill: [50:10] That's not love. Pastor Newms: [50:13] Love is I love that person I. Pastor Bill: [50:15] Regardless of how they are hmm. Pastor Newms: [50:17] I love everything about them and then at a certain point, hopefully they allow me into their lives two if they allow me into their lives, I can help them through issues that are affecting them negatively not because I believe it is but because at a point of friendship they will tell you until they start complaining about something that's affecting their life, you don't get to step in because that still you being judgmental. Pastor Bill: [50:53] You wait to be invited in. Pastor Newms: [50:57] Otherwise we have to show love we have to come alongside them we have to support them in all the ways that we can. Pastor Bill: [51:04] You don't get to decide for someone else what is sin in their life. Pastor Newms: [51:10] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [51:14] All right well that's all we have for tonight for you guys I hope it enrich your, Christianity your walk with the Lord or if you're not a Christian I hope that helped you to understand, um some of the things you're seeing in the Christian world and dealing with people that call themselves Christians and may not be living out these examples, and I hope you can find a place of peace with that and find you know what you're looking for why are you, here why are you you know watching our our stuff listen to our stuff. Oh we've got a guy on Twitch the plainest I appreciate you coming I appreciate you chiming in letting us know that this did help you tonight so thank you for that, affirmation there that actually helps me a lot Xander what thank you on Twitch I'm glad that you enjoyed it, God we have so many people here tonight with us we do film this live every Sunday at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and you can join and watch on Twitch Facebook YouTube, and then the audio version and the transcription come out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. in those same places so if anybody wants to join us live on Sundays you can if you want to just, listen to the podcast you can get that anywhere you get podcasts that would be awesome Pastor Newms you look like you're intense with anticipation to say something. Pastor Newms: [52:53] Well I wanted you to I need you guys to be we need you to wrap up and then after the wrap up I'll bring it up because it's not it's not it's not pertinent to podcast things it's just. Trying to see that I have the voice on in the twitch stream and that's why I'm getting feedback is not from you and I was trying to get on to you again and it's not you it was me yes. Pastor Bill: [53:22] We also have what we do called Gaming With The Pastors that we mentioned earlier where pastor Newms and I go as Pastor feet when I'm gaming we play games we were doing Borderlands 2 and we're going to start doing some Lost Ark so if you want to follow Pastor Newms on Twitch that you can get an update on when we go live with that we'd love for, people to come hang out with us when we're doing that and yeah so that's what we got going and we hope that you guys can all be a part of what we got going on. Pastor Bill: [53:52] I love you guys and I hope you have a great week. Pastor Newms: [53:56] And be safe out there. Pastor Bill: [53:57] Until next time.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 65 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and I'm joined by Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:

[0:12] Hello I am Pastor Newms.

Pastor Bill:

[0:14] And we are currently in a time of mourning, we've lost someone that was very special to us. His name was Bloodwing.

Pastor Newms:

[0:26] Gosh we're going to go here right away.

Pastor Bill:

[0:29] And he has done broke my heart.

Pastor Newms:

[0:33] Spoiler alert for if you have.

Pastor Bill:

[0:35] Handsome Jack Must Die.

Pastor Newms:

[0:37] Um in Borderlands 1 when we were playing through on Gaming With The Pastors, Pastor Bill or Pastor Thete as he's also known played as a character called Mordecai. Mordecai has a pet named blood Wing. Blood Wing is basically, you could view it as kind of a falconer only it's not a falcon it's something else, and he would throw it out and it would go and attack the enemy and it saved our butts on more than one occasion, well when we get to Borderlands 2 all the characters from Borderlands 1 are NPCs, those NPCs are then just story people as opposed to the people that were playing as, so we're playing through it and I knew it was coming and I couldn't say anything because I knew it would be worse if he knew off the front and, really sad knowing what was going to happen and yes Biggs we will get to that in a moment, um so we start the story everything's going well everything's going good we go into an area where Mordecai is, and he's complaining because Handsome Jack who's the bad guy of Borderlands 2, the villain and they do a very good job of making you hate him through the whole story and it just gets worse and worse this is one of the Pinnacle Point. Here, does some scientific experimentation on blood wing and you spend the fight trying to tranq him and save him and you do and then the moment it happens, Handsome Jack presses a button that blows blood Wings head off, if you were watching which most of you were not because most of you are listening to this as a podcast as opposed to watch, on Twitter live or anything else if you happen to go back and watch that on my twitch there was towards the end of our last stream which was the stream from to, five. There was just silence on Bill side and its really bad because there were some foreshadowing, Bill is like oh man right there is where it says we have to go and there's a red dot which means if we have to fight blood Wing I'm going to get real upset and I was like nah that's not what that is because it wasn't yet, and so he was like okay good and then we move forward and I'm going crap this is gonna suck so bad, and it did and so now, I would fully expect the next week they will be a lot of streaming because Bill wants some hardcore vengeance, against Handsome Jack in so many ways which is really cute to a certain degree because those of us that are hardcore gamers. We've experienced this too many times you get super invested in a character and then it died, I'll never forget there was one game, I cannot remember the name of the game to save my life but it was for the Xbox 360 and it was an RPG and you chose which characters you wanted to play as and I put all my points into this one character and then they just the Overflow points into the others, and in the last boss battle he sacrifices himself and, then I'm stuck with three other characters I can play as that are completely underpowered and, I'll never forget it and, sadly Pastor Bill has just dealt with the loss of a game character that affected him hard and I feel terrible but we will continue playing it, we will complete the story of Borderlands 2 Pastor Bill has been begging me, this afternoon and evening to tell him that we get to kill Handsome Jack to which I have responded and subject story does end, but that is all I said and he is not happy with me but that's okay.

Pastor Bill:

[4:57] So I found a Borderlands 3 candle today, rose-scented but I didn't buy it it was like 20 bucks that's too much to spend on a. Little candle in the.

Pastor Newms:

[5:17] Gross so our shirts today with no planning.

Pastor Bill:

[5:23] Unplanned no planning and we didn't plan that.

Pastor Newms:

[5:25] Pastor Bill is wearing a shirt that has the Justice League on it and I am wearing a shirt that has Marvel on it, which is pretty much just the Avengers but it's not technically an Avenger shirt so yes, as Biggs pointed out we are sporting the DC versus Marvel which is a Crux of our relationship as best friends for years because Billiam is a DC guy and I am, not so, I believe Marvel is better I will say DC. did a much better job with all of their kids programming than Marvel ever has and they have done a better.

Pastor Bill:

[6:08] And Marvel's done better with the theatrical then DC ever has.

Pastor Newms:

[6:11] Marvel's done better with the theatrical and the comics because the best DC Comics were actually done by Dark Horse and Frank Miller and people like that not actually DC Comics in my opinion.

Pastor Bill:

[6:25] Except for you know the whole Return of the Hulk made-for-tv movie in the 80s where Hulk meets Thor.

Pastor Newms:

[6:31] That was a bad one that was a bad one that was a real bad.

Pastor Bill:

[6:36] All right so how was your week pastor newms.

Pastor Newms:

[6:38] Week was pretty good work is super busy and so that is that is taking up a lot of my time even little more than it's normal, 825 ish time periods which is okay you have weeks that ebb and flow when your salary, and so that's cool played a good amount of games groggy came over this weekend or the best as he is currently logged in on Twitch because, two Twitter accounts.

Pastor Bill:

[7:12] He's the best around.

Pastor Newms:

[7:14] So spent today playing a couple of board games.

Pastor Bill:

[7:18] I reached a little a little too ambitious Lee for that.

Pastor Newms:

[7:20] You did you did. So they you know it was kind of fun we had some fun I made soup made my potato soup because food with good soup, so yeah it was pretty good how was your week.

Pastor Bill:

[7:42] Well other than the loss of a friend.

Pastor Newms:

[7:45] Oh my gosh.

Pastor Bill:

[7:46] It's been all right there was the snow storm that blew through so there was a lot of time at home, and Gerg didn't have school Thursday and Friday which was nice that meant a couple of mornings that I got to, can I sleep in some except then the littlest one got sick we're pretty sure it's strep throat.

Pastor Newms:

[8:05] Oh

Pastor Bill:

[8:09] We're going to take him to the doctor first thing tomorrow morning.

Pastor Newms:

[8:12] Because he's still not feeling good.

Pastor Bill:

[8:14] Well he's still got I mean you can visibly see the stuff back there in his mouth with a flashlight so we're going to go see about getting him some, antibiotics or something to try to rush the healing process on that so yeah, so this is what my week has been like which has been, cool I guess other than the sick guy and the you know the death of blood with, um but he always cool having the snow getting to see my littlest one, get snow for the first time at such a young age my my youngest daughter didn't have real snow until she was five and even then it was like half the amount of this snowstorm.

Pastor Newms:

[9:04] It's Texas snow so it's when it's there's not a lot of it it's not any good.

Pastor Bill:

[9:09] Yeah but but this was real real real snow like real real like you make a snowball and you throw it and it actually explodes snow not you make is no longer a threat somewhere in there like dude that literally turned into a chunk of ice before it got to me, you literally just pelted me with a big chunk of ice, yeah so that yeah that's how my week was yeah okay so now it's time for getting another pastors, and we are on an odd is that the right word odd.

Pastor Newms:

[9:45] Are we on and on.

Pastor Bill:

[9:46] If even if oven.

Pastor Newms:

[9:50] It's easy evens and odds.

Pastor Bill:

[9:53] Even some of the right words Wyman Todd.

Pastor Newms:

[9:54] Yes are you having a stroke.

Pastor Bill:

[9:58] That happened the other night I could win to go sing the night at song and I couldn't remember the word night and it's the first word of the song and so I was like Nick yeah. Nah. Yeah so that was interesting it was interesting evening okay here we go what characteristic are you most known for.

Pastor Newms:

[10:29] I don't know, because being known for something means other people know it so I don't know. I don't like that at all.

Pastor Bill:

[10:50] Yeah you more might say you even hate that.

Pastor Newms:

[10:58] Very well done very well done very well done good good segment good segment where do you best known for characteristic are you best known for past.

Pastor Bill:

[11:09] Oh man I'm best known for being overly emotional and unpredictable. And what does your dad say I'm getting old. Is it the gray hair or the Dentures or what is it.

Pastor Newms:

[11:33] Yes as well as the as well as the way you laugh now is different than it was when you were younger.

Pastor Bill:

[11:41] I thought our boys left leg.

Pastor Newms:

[11:42] No you have it like an old man laughter sometimes.

Pastor Bill:

[12:00] -8 sure yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[12:03] Haha you're 40 I'm best known on the podcast for three things saying yes that's valid and that comes from before most of y'all ever listened, that that joke came from and then the other thing that I am oh because he's having a stroke because you can't speak.

Pastor Bill:

[12:22] Stronk.

Pastor Newms:

[12:24] The other thing I'm very much known for and I joke about this even outside of here which is how far into the podcast, how do I make it without blaming it on the English language.

Pastor Bill:

[12:38] Mmm.

Pastor Newms:

[12:39] Or Microsoft for having technical issues I'm blaming it on Microsoft.

Pastor Bill:

[12:46] I think you're a pretty equal technology blamer you can pretty much pick out the weaknesses in any technology and be like see this is why that's not great this this this this.

Pastor Newms:

[12:57] Usually it's this is why I hate this particular software.

Pastor Bill:

[13:03] Trying to avoid that word because we've already covered that aspect.

Pastor Newms:

[13:06] But I definitely am really good at blaming the English language for things and.

Pastor Bill:

[13:14] Indubitably.

Pastor Newms:

[13:15] Even at work often I'm having to blame the English language because the English language just doesn't mean the same thing for people, especially when dealing with software versus heart health care, I'm Healthcare software is very interesting because some of the very same language that's used in healthcare is used in software meaning completely different things and so, there's often communication issues between clinicians provider service people the business and in the markets that we work in and our technical people because the words just mean different things to those people, the same words which other languages doesn't have that issue, you look at German and their words are basically just long explanations for what a thing is so you don't have that issue as much in other languages.

Pastor Bill:

[14:21] Zener schnitzel well what does that mean it means meat in tube V nurses.

Pastor Newms:

[14:28] It's it's, not hot dog or sausage because sausage can mean like eight different things here anyway I'm at work I'm becoming known as a food guy.

Pastor Bill:

[14:46] Oh

Pastor Newms:

[14:46] Because no not a foodie just a guy that eats food because.

Pastor Bill:

[14:49] Not a foodie oh.

Pastor Newms:

[14:52] People will I'm someone who stress eats a lot so during my work day I eat, and so people will be will be in meetings or other things and someone will say something about food and because I love food, I will start talking about food at the other day someone said I've been with the company about four months and just over four months and the one of the people I work with closely a lot because Jonathan didn't you just, derail the last meeting talking about food and I was like look I didn't bring it up I didn't start it.

Pastor Bill:

[15:33] You mean the meeting we had an hour ago with this same group of people that we talked about this same.

Pastor Newms:

[15:38] No no it was it was.

Pastor Bill:

[15:39] There was no need for us to have another meeting.

Pastor Newms:

[15:41] It was a valid different meaning.

Pastor Bill:

[15:44] Oh okay.

Pastor Newms:

[15:45] And that was the funny thing was the only people that were the same on the meeting was me and her, and we're working to different parts of the company but we were the only ones that were the same and so it very much was like yeah I did that.

Pastor Bill:

[16:01] All right so.

Pastor Newms:

[16:02] So yeah those are the things I'm known for I guess.

Pastor Bill:

[16:06] Tonight we're talking about Thomas and I gave you no time to prepare for this I apologize, you asked me yesterday what are we talking about and I said I said I think we're talking about Thomas that's all I told you.

Pastor Newms:

[16:25] So you can't see it so I've got to tell you you said tonight we're talking about Thomas right. And the best groggy said I doubt it.

Pastor Bill:

[16:42] When I see it.

Pastor Newms:

[16:46] Oh you do see it cuz you're in the Discord.

Pastor Bill:

[16:49] I'm in the Discord yes it was good timing.

Pastor Newms:

[16:51] So yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[16:56] That is funny that is comical.

Pastor Newms:

[16:59] I thought you would enjoy that.

Pastor Bill:

[17:01] It's a great joke even.

Pastor Newms:

[17:02] I thought you would enjoy that.

Pastor Bill:

[17:03] But after tonight you're going to have to stop that.

Pastor Newms:

[17:06] That is true.

Pastor Bill:

[17:07] That right there you have stopped.

Pastor Newms:

[17:09] But I doubt that we're talking about doubting Thomas.

Pastor Bill:

[17:13] Oh God okay so we're talking about Thomas and yes we and you ask you even ask me which Thomas were talking about and I said the one they call doubting.

Pastor Newms:

[17:25] Which is an accurate statement.

Pastor Bill:

[17:27] Yeah that was the only Q I gave you as to the tone of tonight, and what we were you know the one they called outing because I wasn't completely sure myself exactly where this was going, um and Ice us all that out today that's it, probably four hours I think it was just four hours maybe five reading through the commentaries on, John chapter 20 verses 24 through 29, and can assess out where we were going and as I was reading through it I was like oh I see what's going on okay got you, the made perfect sense once I got into the study as to why we were going that direction so let's start with and if you can type this in because on the restream kind of thing is where you type it in that it actually shows up on Facebook, if I type it in a Discord it doesn't actually show up on.

Pastor Newms:

[18:26] All right so we're going to John.

Pastor Bill:

[18:28] You're going to John chapter 20 and we're going to read versus 24, through 29 okay and this is the story where Thomas the Apostle now we call them Apostles because they are the 12, disciples who win the Lord said it of My Flesh and drink of my blood they stayed, there were estimated to be about 120 people following Jesus when he gave that teaching, and all of them left except for these 12 people okay so that's criteria number one for being an apostle criteria number two for being an apostle is meeting one-on-one with Christ, after he died descended and then came to Earth to do his post. Resurrection Ministry before he ascended those are the two criteria for apostle Paul, never actually met these criteria even though a lot of people call him the Apostle Paul, um now he did meet Jesus post Ascension but by the strictest definitions of apostle that discounts Paul altogether, John chapter 20 verses 24 through 29, but Thomas called twin now not called twin called Didymus it's a nickname, if you're gonna visit see that see that's the csb I don't often disagree with the csb but when you translate somebody's nickname, into what the words actual definition is I have a problem with that.

Pastor Newms:

[20:21] Yeah that's a little weird.

Pastor Bill:

[20:22] Um but Thomas called Didymus.

Pastor Newms:

[20:25] Although they did put it in quotes.

Pastor Bill:

[20:27] Yeah they did put it in quotes and then they put a little note at the bottom Greek did he miss tourism.

Pastor Newms:

[20:35] For all.

Pastor Bill:

[20:36] One of the twelve was not with them when Jesus came now what he's talking about is Jesus had met with them met with the other 11, on the first day of the previous week, so so the other disciples were telling him we have seen the Lord but he said to them. Sorry, I said to them if I don't see the mark of the nails in his hands put my finger into the mark of the nails and put my hand into his side I will never believe, a week later his disciples were indoors again and Thomas was with them even though the doors were locked Jesus came and stood among them and said, peace be with you then he said to Thomas put your finger here and look at my hands reach out your hand and put it into my side, don't be faithless but belief Thomas responded to him my Lord my God, Jesus said because you have seen me you have believed we're going to talk about punctuation here in a second, because you have seen me you have believed blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe okay. There are some discrepancies between manuscripts and translations on, verse 29 of John chapter 20 is supposed to be punctuated in the King James it says because you have seen me, you have believed semicolon, blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe, in the csb it is because you have seen me, you have believed period blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe in some manuscripts The Ordering of the words, lead a good amount of Scholars to believe this statement was, because you have seen me have you believed question mark.

Pastor Newms:

[22:48] Which is what the Nasby sorry go ahead.

Pastor Bill:

[22:50] Sort of those yeah blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.

Pastor Newms:

[22:56] And that's what the Nasby shows.

Pastor Bill:

[23:00] Because there are some manuscripts in a good amount of Scholars have believed that was the intended punctuation now to be fair again you know.

Pastor Newms:

[23:09] To be fair.

Pastor Bill:

[23:11] There was no punctuation in the Greek, it was all in the way that the wording was placed and the way that you know it was the context clues that's where we get the punctuation for our English translations they're not actually there in, the Greek manuscripts so kind of have to guess you know was this a question was this a decorative, now if it was an exclamatory that was easy they just wrote the word or the statement twice, so like when Jesus is on the cross and he says Eloi Eloi, he probably only actually said that once but he probably screamed it yelled it you know with with much Gusto and they were probably just indicating that should be an exclamation point.

Pastor Newms:

[23:59] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[24:03] Okay, so this is a story where we get the idea of doubting Thomas right he doubted and that's why he didn't have as much Faith as the other Apostles and that's why he, mmm he was hurting from the trauma of what happened and that's why and on and on and on and on okay, and so we hear this rhetoric about all the other Apostles are blessed and you're blessed to because you didn't have to see it, you've just taken it on faith but real quick let's go back to Luke, if you can type this into the restream client for me Luke chapter 24 and we're going to be reading verses 36 through 40 3, and Luke actually tells us what happened seven days earlier when Jesus appeared to the eleven, starting in verse 36 as they were saying these things he himself stood in their midst he said to them peace to you but they were startled and terrified and thought they were seeing a ghost. They doubted that he was really the resurrected Christ.

Pastor Newms:

[25:29] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[25:32] Why are you troubled he asked them and why do doubts arise in your hearts look at my hands and my feet that it is I myself, touch me and see because the ghost does not have Flesh and Bones as you can see I have. Having said this he showed them his hands and feet while they still were amazed and in disbelief because of their Joy, he asked them do you have anything to eat so they gave him a piece of a broiled fish and he took it and ate it in their presence so going back to John. After knowing what happened seven days earlier when we read, so the other disciples were telling him we've seen the Lord. It's not that they walked up and said we've seen the Lord they walked up and said, we were there we were hiding from the Jews we were about to have dinner we had this broiled fish this Spirit showed up we were afraid of it we weren't sure what was going on it turned out to be Jesus he showed us the holes in his hands the hole in his side the holes in his feet he had us touch him and he is risen and Thomas replies and says until, see and touch. I can't believe that. It's not that he doubted that the resurrection happened or was going to happen. But he looked at the other disciples and he said prove it prove it. So the next time they're up there hiding Thomas is like I'm gonna be there. That's not a doubt that's faith in action. Next time we're next time they're doing that I'm gonna be there I'm gonna be there I'm ready to see, so we can be proved to me Jesus is up put your finger here look at my hands reach out your hand put it in my side don't be faithless but belief. Don't be faithless but believe that's not an accusation or a condemnation, that's a reach your hand out and lifting someone up to you. There's no reason for you to not believe it because it's true here's your evidence it's true all right, um

Pastor Newms:

[28:29] Now a quick question because I know how much we prepare for this often are you going to touch on the two other times that Thomas is really talked about.

Pastor Bill:

[28:43] I wasn't gonna but if you'd like to you go for it.

Pastor Newms:

[28:45] I would so you know we call him doubting Thomas we push that narrative because of this particular story but there are two main times that Thomas is talked about in, actually in John also that I, really shows us also part of who Thomas was and how Thomas operated, and wasn't doubting so in I'll type it John 11, five through sixteen and I'm not going to read it.

Pastor Bill:

[29:21] So this is Lazarus.

Pastor Newms:

[29:23] I'm not going to read it verbatim I'm just going to kind of, give you the thing so that way we have time to discuss the rest of the points but in there geez Lazarus is dead and they're like.

Pastor Bill:

[29:39] Jesus and his followers are in hiding.

Pastor Newms:

[29:44] They're not there and Jesus is like okay let's go to Judah and the disciples are like whoa will will will.

Pastor Bill:

[29:51] Where they where he's wanted Dead.

Pastor Newms:

[29:52] Yeah they're like the disciples are like whoa.

Pastor Bill:

[29:54] Whoa bro.

Pastor Newms:

[29:56] Just now the Jews tried to Stone you are why are we going to go back we're going to get stoned to which Jesus gives them an answer you know it's a good answer.

Pastor Bill:

[30:09] Well he kind of your concerns are trivial.

Pastor Newms:

[30:11] He gets on to him yeah it's like you don't matter our friends asleep but we got to go wake him up which I love.

Pastor Bill:

[30:16] Yeah we got better things to do than worry about stonings.

Pastor Newms:

[30:21] And then Thomas called the twin said to the fellow disciples let us go too so we can die with him.

Pastor Bill:

[30:29] So we can die with her Jesus gonna go get some we're gonna go to.

Pastor Newms:

[30:33] Like the disciples like whoa whoa whoa whoa Jesus they're going to try to kill you dude like Homie we can't do the and Thomas is like I'm down let's go so Thomas was, I do this is terrible this is terrible I can't believe my mind even when here but Thomas is Hardcore right here a ride-or-die.

Pastor Bill:

[30:56] Yeah he's a ride or die man.

Pastor Newms:

[30:57] Like and as a terrible euphemism for this but hey you know.

Pastor Bill:

[31:02] It really is but it's the it's the sentiment there for sure.

Pastor Newms:

[31:05] Yeah and then when we look at the Last Supper which is in John 14, one through seven with so again still John. The Lord's talking about hey I'm going to, I'm going and then I'm coming again and he's given the whole the whole aspect and Thomas is like Lord we don't we don't know what where are you going how do we know the way like how can we follow you, basically and Jesus is like well I'm the way the truth the life no one comes to the father except through me, we've covered that you know in Christian world forever if you know me you'll also know my father from now from now on you do know him and have seen him and then. Because of that then Phillip is just like show us the father that's enough for us you know and so Thomas is question there, wasn't we, it was again it was him being literally ride or die like okay where we going how we going to get there I'm there with you we got this no problems this is not an issue we're down and.

Pastor Bill:

[32:33] He was he was basically imma go where you go but if you leave I'm on need a new Navigator because you're the Navigator.

Pastor Newms:

[32:41] Yeah I'm only following you how do I know who to follow if it's not you.

Pastor Bill:

[32:46] If you leave.

Pastor Newms:

[32:47] Literally asking God asking Jesus okay, we get it you got to die we understand you're the Messiah you're going to you're here to save us your great sacrifice has no questions on any of that never had to be gotten on 24, other things like certain Apostles had to like you know becoming the main person who you know, influenced all of church history but denied Christ three times and had, to have Jesus answered the same question like six times so you know we don't see that with Thomas Thomas is like I'm here it's so in my mind.

Pastor Bill:

[33:33] We opened his mouth when he have something to say.

Pastor Newms:

[33:36] Yeah in my mind.

Pastor Bill:

[33:38] It's the only shows up twice.

Pastor Newms:

[33:41] In my mind,

through his his question of I don't believe you is not I don't believe God I don't believe Jesus in this it's I do.

Pastor Bill:

[33:57] I don't believe I don't believe he's not going to resurrect I don't believe your.

Pastor Newms:

[34:01] I don't trust you, he was straight so yeah he doubted someone but it wasn't Jesus he had no problem following Jesus literally to the end and then asking him who's next, who do we follow When You're Gone had no problem with that had no problem with the understanding that he was going to go and then he was going to come, no problems he doesn't ask again in these passages that we see.

Pastor Bill:

[34:31] He definitely had this strong understanding of what was going on we see this idea of let's just go die with him, carried out in Paul's teachings you know for me, to live is Christ to die is gain you see this played out and then he's got this full where do we go and then you see this played out again where Jesus says well who do you say that I am and, and Peter asked we'll where else would we go well this is an idea that. Thomas has been holding onto for a while here Peter you're just now getting here welcome to the party. And then if you'll type in first John chapter 4 verse 1 we have this another idea where, Thomas says I don't believe you, and then we see this play out again first John 4:1 dear friends do not believe every Spirit but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world right so even these people that he knew, had been walking with Jesus with him even though they had this history he looked at them and said I'm gonna need. You to prove the word that you just brought me, prove it okay and so we're kind of on the same topic here but we're pivoting slightly, and let's talk about out deconstruction.

Pastor Newms:

[36:18] Mmm.

Pastor Bill:

[36:22] Thomas and deconstruction Thomas said prove it. And waited for the only evidence that he knew was available and how did he know that evidence was available, because they came to me and said we saw him we touched him, he had the holes it was all there and Thomas said I ain't going to believe you until I see evidence of that. Right now we have this whole deconstruction movement, yes I believe it is a movement I believe personally I believe that the same thing that God did through John the Baptist, where he called people to repentance to make way for a move of the Lord and this case the arrival of the Lord, is the same thing God's doing now in the hearts and minds of all these people that are being pulled away from, the religious status quo that's been set up right. And you see all these videos where these pastors are talking down about deconstruction and they're talking bad about deconstructionist and the railing hard on all these things and then you see all these videos by the JC constructionists and when they're not retelling and reliving the trauma, that they feel led them to deconstruction they're telling stories of deeper faith, not all of them some of them deconstruct and they realize they don't believe, which we've already talked about that I think it's better to deconstruct and believe you and find out you don't believe now, then to fool yourself into believing your whole life that you had faith and it having that moment that Jesus talks about where where you know you're like God I did cast out demons in your name I did miniature name and Jesus goes, but I never knew you we never had a relationship better to find that out now than then.

Pastor Newms:

[38:40] Yeah because that gives that still gives you that time for repentance later that time to find God again.

Pastor Bill:

[38:48] I celebrate that you have that time, um and then you have these other people that deconstruct and they find this deeper more meaningful relationship with the Lord and a deeper version of Faith than they ever had in the church, and they're more peace and they're more connected with God and there are more love than more biblical Christians because of it, and so I thought it would be nice, to talk about it and it's less talk about it because. You know between us me and you Pastor newms and a lot of people don't know that part of my calling I feel like is to call out the modern Church, call it out for not being this not living up to this.

Pastor Newms:

[39:42] You definitely do that.

Pastor Bill:

[39:45] That's part I feel like it's part of my calling and to emphasize faith hope and love to love people love people call out God's church to where it's supposed to be, and love those people at the same time I feel like that's where I am okay so, I made a list of the things that I believe are inspiring deconstruction. From a Biblical point of view. Okay I believe that people are deconstructing because the modern Church, has brought a message of Jesus and faith and the Bible and then failed, to look after orphans and widows like we're told to do in James 1:27 failed, to love God. All of their hearts that have chose children politics in some cases instead and failed to love our neighbor as ourself and chosen lots of other reasons instead, as we're told in Mark chapter 12 and again in Matthew I don't remember what chapter is there Dave the modern church has failed, to submit to governmental authorities President Biden is your president, Romans chapter 13 tells us to submit to governmental authorities and you can argue all day long, that when Paul wrote Romans he didn't mean governmental authorities but go back and reread it because it talks about this Authority being armed, physically armed to physically protect you and to physically punished, those who are evil doers and that's not the church, the church is not physically armed to punish evildoers that's governments that's governmental Authority. Um this one's a long this is out of Romans chapter 12 the modern church has failed to love without hypocrisy failed to detest evil, failed to outdo each other in showing honor, failed to rejoice in Hope failed in being patient in Affliction sales in pursuing Hospitality failed in blessing people that persecute them, sailed and rejoicing with people who Rejoice failed in Weeping with people who we, failed in living in harmony with others failed and being humble instead of proud failed and not repaying evil for evil fails and what I'm doing is what it in doing what is Honorable, in everyone's eyes failed at living in peace with everyone failed and not avenging themselves, failed at feeding their enemies when they're hungry or giving them something to drink when they're thirsty failed at combating evil with good instead of, combating evil with evil the modern church has failed to remember that there is faith there is hope and there is love, greatest of those is love. And I believe biblically these are why people are deconstructing because the modern Church doesn't look like this anymore.

Pastor Newms:

[43:18] Yeah and I think a lot of it has to do with and I want to be clear to people who might not know, when we say the modern church we don't mean every modern church we mean the church as a whole.

Pastor Bill:

[43:35] The church we're all guilty all of us.

Pastor Newms:

[43:38] Exactly the.

Pastor Bill:

[43:39] A church emulation Christians as a whole we are all guilty because we have failed to hold each other accountable I'm including myself, as a as a Christian as a pastor I've failed to do my part to hold other pastors and other Christians accountable in these areas, until recently no more I will no longer be that quiet voice I'm calling them out I'm calling out we need to love, I mean the.

Pastor Newms:

[44:09] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[44:10] Is the modern Church all of us all believers.

Pastor Newms:

[44:14] So there are some that are doing good in some of these aspects, and some of them are so definitely not calling out every individual for every one of these of course because that would be crazy.

Pastor Bill:

[44:37] And it's impossible to do all of these you would need a you would need a budget the size of I was about to say the name of a church you would need the budget a budget the size of the US government.

Pastor Newms:

[44:51] To fully.

Pastor Bill:

[44:51] To do all of these.

Pastor Newms:

[44:53] But the point is we should be trying to continue there's a lot of churches out there that have. And when I say church is there's a lot of denominations out there that only focused on themselves.

Pastor Bill:

[45:12] And congregations to.

Pastor Newms:

[45:13] And congregations that only funded themselves only funded people that came out of them only funded people that worked for them directly and then you've got.

Pastor Bill:

[45:25] There's like there's a youth pastors of Pastor in Oklahoma on Tick Tock have used to be a youth pastor and he quit because they were saying things to him like, you need to stop hanging out at the YMCA and to administer to those black boys, and only focus on the children of the tithers that come to this church.

Pastor Newms:

[45:48] And in situations there's a lot of churches now that are working with food pantries that are secular organizations but they're filling the need they can't because they already have the setup.

Pastor Bill:

[46:03] Why we promote and raise try to raise funds for I personally raise funds for but anyway for the Trevor Project, secular organization lgp lgbtq+ youth can call in for free and get support and help and and help through those issues that they're having emotionally and with fitting in with their environment and all of the pressure they have coming against them and that's literally, the highest at-risk group for suicide in the United States. And so many Christians are just turning a blind eye to it if you truly believe, hey you're supposed to be spreading faith and bringing people to Christ why would you ignore an organization. Helps people live longer and has a reach that you don't have, to literally save people's lives so they have a chance of salvation.

Pastor Newms:

[47:11] And you know that's such a big aspect of why. We support organizations like that in situations like that because without a chance, find repentance sadly we know how that ends and so we've got to increase, people's chances to give everyone a shot and that means making sure children aren't starving to death that means making sure people are loved, and and you know sadly not, as you said Bill not every church can do everything but if every Church truly followed the New Testament teachings of taking care of the community we wouldn't have a lot of the issues that we do, Countrywide and worldwide if if churches and Christians tie.

Pastor Bill:

[48:24] I'm so I'm so I'm so tired of hearing Christians who are steeped in politics complaining about welfare. And then not supporting food banks Ike, don't I just don't get that like if you don't want to pay taxes to support welfare then do your part to change that for the future, raise awareness about food bags raise awareness about organizations that help people with school supplies and and shoes and fill in the blanks where their jobs can't, if you're really that worried about being charged taxes to help people survive, raise awareness for programs that do that so that welfare can be taken out of the equation in the future.

Pastor Newms:

[49:29] And the failures of the church, is what caused the government to need to step in if the church had not. Not been doing what they were supposed to be doing and taking care of widows and orphans and taking care of single parent families and taking care of you know we wouldn't have needed, a lot of the government programs that the country needs because, we can't and sadly as a quote-unquote and I say quote unquote very strongly Christian Nation, we forsake a lot of the values that are taught in the New Testament, myself I don't like a lot of socialistic programs and the reason I don't like them is not because I think they're wrong, I don't like them because our government Miss manages them and the people who truly need help aren't getting it. So that's what I don't like so that's why a lot of times like, similar I said someone I don't like socialistic programs and they're like oh we don't care about this I was like no I do I just think our government would mess it up, I look at how the government treats veterans and then terrifies me for them to to be in charge of my health care I see how they treat, disabled people on disability and how hard it is to get disability and how hard it is to be able to be funded when you can't work and how much they reject and then it's like well. What are they going to do if I get to that point like so for me that's my issue with our social social programs is they don't do enough for the correct reasons because.

Pastor Bill:

[51:43] And every but but every church has to have a pretty new Fountain out front never church has to have new carpeting in the foyer and every church has to have, as much money as they ditch the church in the United States brings in, and then spins within its own four walls, if that money was pulled together in cooperation with all believers we could get rid of welfare, because we could the church could be meeting those needs.

Pastor Newms:

[52:18] And.

Pastor Bill:

[52:20] Our church buildings would go to crap but God never wanted temples he wanted her heart.

Pastor Newms:

[52:29] And.

Pastor Bill:

[52:30] Why are we spending so much money and making temples.

Pastor Newms:

[52:34] And it's definitely something that and even in that we as Christians individuals. Are failing in so many ways because so often we're not given to our churches and we're not we're only giving to our government and.

Pastor Bill:

[52:59] We're not even get most of those aren't even giving the ten percent that, the Bible you know in Malachi says you know you should dedicate this part to God most of those aren't even doing that when I even given that 10% of the church.

Pastor Newms:

[53:16] And and it definitely and this is in no way shape form or idea or thing of saying give us money because, it's not just to be clear on that we are a 501 c 3 we are a church we are we do give two, Ministry other Ministries and other things, the aspect that we're talking about is as a whole we as Christians and we as the church have to step up and stop waiting on someone else to fix the issues.

Pastor Bill:

[54:02] It's the sitting back and watching it's created a culture, where the church doesn't look like this anymore and so people are understandably and with my support questioning what the church has taught them. And not always finding the answers here and deciding I don't believe that I think I'm going to be an atheist now. Looks like I said. Better now than later. But if your goal is truly the gospel and making disciples and and spreading the word and loving like Jesus loved. It's one of the work that needs to be done a lot of renovation and I don't mean to the to the fellowship hall at your local congregations. Unless you're holding daily dinners they're feeding the hungry and the loss and the homeless and then by golly upgrade them chairs go for it you're doing it right you're doing something right.

Pastor Newms:

[55:35] There are definitely times where it is needed if your buildings are being used for outreach make sure they look at least good.

Pastor Bill:

[55:43] But if your buildings are just an echo chamber to pay yourselves on the back. And you're not looking after orphans and widows you're not loving the neighborhood around you and you're not fulfilling Romans chapter 12 or First Corinthians 13. I just I can't I can't with you I just. I'm sorry I have no words I can't play Kate and I can't sugarcoat this it's just not right. So there you go there's my take on Thomas.

Pastor Newms:

[56:33] Yep.

Pastor Bill:

[56:35] All right well this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at Seven PM wherever you get podcasts, and if you'd like to join us when we record it live we do that on Sundays at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time we go live on Facebook YouTube and, twitch you can go to our website ekk.house, to find out which Choice which Facebook and which YouTube and then if you'd like to join us on our Discord server so you can chat with us throughout the week or be a part of the chat as well during life because you can be a part of the chat on Facebook YouTube and twitch just right there too then you can send us an email, info@ekk.house that email does go straight to me because you're literally work looking at everyone that works for the church and only one of us worked for the church on days that don't start in son. [57:34] Um and the other one works for the church every day no except for Mondays I take Mondays, yeah send us an email we can get you into the Discord server so you can hang out with us also we have a Ministry we do called gaming with the pastors if you've been here since the beginning of the episode you heard that a little bit about what's been going on this week with Kimmy with the pastures it's just a sad week, um and you can come hang out with us go to Twitch and look up pastor newms and follow their to be notified when we're going live with gaming with the pastors and if you happen to have the game that we're playing and the game supports it then, maybe you can join the struggle and add your strength to ours in the battle for currently Pandora. We shaking your head that's what the game says.

Pastor Newms:

[58:22] I do.

Pastor Bill:

[58:24] Pastor Newms has abandoned your struggle.

Pastor Newms:

[58:26] And I know it is. Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

[58:27] The enemies around you weaken okay all right I love you guys. Have a great week and until next time.

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Pastor Bill:
[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode…I can't remember now.
Pastor Newms:
[0:09] Sixty Three Sixty Three
Pastor Bill:
[0:12] Sixty four of The Berean Manifesto; Faith,
Pastor Newms:
[0:13] 67 - 64.
Pastor Bill:
[0:17] Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms all the…
Pastor Newms:
[0:22] That's me.
Pastor Bill:
[0:24] way from the state of Tennessee and I am in the great state of Texas. I overheard my wife watching a video today about a, a hobbit place you could go visit in Murfreesboro some kind of shire like. Bed and Breakfast or something that you could go stay at and I didn't know - you know you live in that area and I didn't know that was a thing even though I was like what.
Pastor Newms:
[0:56] Is that is odd.
Pastor Bill:
[0:57] I just started out when I was talking about you living in Tennessee so how was your week this week Pastor Newms?
Pastor Newms:
[1:05] It's pretty good busy very busy both the girls were out of the house this weekend so it was just adults in the house that was interesting, Rayne had her first youth conference because she's technically in middle school and. Seraphina stayed with my parents. Hello Mr. Groggy.
Pastor Bill:
[1:38] Right.
Pastor Newms:
[1:39] Joined us on Twitch.

Pastor Bill:
[1:40] Playing Call of Duty and attending church at the same time that's how we like it welcome guys.
I'm calling him out.
Pastor Newms:
[1:50] Looks like it's an Airbnb.
Pastor Bill:
[1:53] He's on he's on on Discord and it says he's playing Call of Duty and he's coming to church at the same time and that is absolutely fine with us, I actually really like that. I'm the kind of guy that gets bored during church even when the pastor saying stuff that I'm totally on board with my brains going, but there's so many more things to be done and I got to do something to roll real myself in.
Pastor Newms:
[2:21] I gotta I gotta say I don't dig it.
Pastor Bill:
[2:26] Don't like the bed and breakfast thing?
Pastor Newms:
[2:29] Mmm it's to guess one bedroom one bath when I'm sorry one bedroom one bad half bath kitchen free parking. Cute ish but it's above ground and to me that's.
Pastor Bill:
[2:52] Supposed to be built into a hill at least by the dirt make it look like it's in a hill.
Pastor Newms:
[3:00] I mean it looks nice other than that. They are a super host and it is $88 a ninth but.
Pastor Bill:
[3:18] No bathtub or shower. So for one person for the night not too. Hello Phoenix, Phoenix is here on Twitch Biggs is here training with us via Facebook normally Chad's via twitch.
Pastor Newms:
[3:53] But he's watching via twitch.
Pastor Bill:
[3:55] So how was your week Pastor Newms? We got a little side tracked because you today was good but then we start talking about that bed.
Pastor Newms:
[4:01] I just said it was busy and then the girls were gone it's really all that yeah.
Pastor Bill:
[4:08] Is all that your week consistent enough the girls were gone and it was busy. There was a plumbing emergency in your house this week there was.
Pastor Newms:
[4:18] Oh yeah yeah we had a plumbing emergency that got resolved.
Pastor Bill:
[4:25] Bye-bye at not being an emergency at all.
Pastor Newms:
[4:29] Yeah yeah our secret.
Pastor Bill:
[4:31] The plumber showed up and was like thanks for calling me for my common sense.
Pastor Newms:
[4:37] So our sinks the way the house is built the faucets are very small so if it's barely dripping or dripping just a little it, gets on the counter instead of in the bowl because the faucets are so small so apparently what happened is in middle of the night.
Pastor Bill:
[5:03] Longer longer spicket parts.
Pastor Newms:
[5:06] Someone got up to use the restroom I guess they wash their hands, and then went back to bed and they did not, turn the faucet off all the way and so all night it ran and it ran onto the floor and actually dripped into the garage.
Pastor Bill:
[5:31] Or into the garage.
Pastor Newms:
[5:33] But it's the damage isn't bad it's not, nothing to worry about nothing we have to change or do it's just one of those like.
Pastor Bill:
[5:48] Gotta dry it all out.
Pastor Newms:
[5:49] Yeah and then so they came and they the the guy did something I didn't even think of doing which was, shutting off the water and seeing if the pressure continues to move because there's a pressure gauge inside the house and so he turns off the water, um hits the pressure gauge and of.
Pastor Bill:
[6:15] You just let it keep drop drip and you didn't turn off the ladder at this.
Pastor Newms:
[6:19] No, no it was off I had turned off the sink.
Pastor Bill:
[6:22] Oh okay.
Pastor Newms:
[6:24] And so but we thought it was a leak behind the behind it or something, which he turned off the water and then there's a pressure gauge that reads your pressure the whole time well if you have a leak that pressure gauge is of course going to drop because, so he was like I don't think you have a leak can we go look at the bathroom, yeah go in there he looks at it and I told it soon as he said it I was like I know what happened called one of the children upstairs and they, confirmed what I thought that it was Dripping slightly when they had gotten up. You know didn't think about relaying that information just the information that there was water on the floor so. It was it was okay no actual emergency but it was just really random, both the girls were like we're so sorry we will help pay for him to come out and we'll this and we're that that's like girls that's not a it's not a big deal that's, that's the least of my worries right now, yeah that's this is nothing and he apologized he's like I'm sorry I do have to charge you because we had to come out and stuff and I'm like should original apologize I mean, The Learning Experience I now know to check my pressure gauge before I call you you know but it was.
Pastor Bill:
[8:12] If you came out and you didn't teach me anything and then charge me then we're gonna have a problem.
Pastor Newms:
[8:18] Yeah so Biggs will have to it is on our list to change all the faucets in the house which is. Five of them is they're all the same and they all do the same issue in the bathrooms for those five So and I've had it happen because one of the. Kitties turned off, we let one of the sinks drip and he turned it off by nuzzling it enough to where it dripped all over my counter I just happened to catch it quicker than the morning so. And of course it's cold and wet right now so drying it out has been a challenge. But overall it's good, and then we finished Borderlands 1 in gaming with the pastor's which is a big deal and then we finish it as much as we don't finish.
Pastor Bill:
[9:28] We didn't complete it but we finished it.
Pastor Newms:
[9:31] No technically we completed the game we did not fully complete two of the DLCs because, we're not going to sit there and grind for hours and hours and hours on camera because that's not conducive to Bill's playstyle nor is it conducive to fund twitch watching, but we've started to Borderlands 2 and that's fun.
Pastor Bill:
[9:58] Right off the bat it like they learned their lesson in Borderlands 1 don't give me, an hour of gameplay that is boring and too challenging to to make it through without dying of. Make it fun from the beginning they learned that lesson Borderlands 2.
Pastor Newms:
[10:18] You can still die a billion.
Pastor Bill:
[10:19] Hey you still glad many times as long as it's fun and Borderlands 2 they did it, they made it Fun For a Moment One.
Pastor Newms:
[10:28] They ramped it up from the intro video there's one thing I get very disappointed about Borderlands 2 though and I will say it even though we haven't gotten to the through the whole game is the opening song. So in the first game it becomes they play it like a couple times during the game the, I think that's Cage the Elephant, the No Rest For The Wicked I don't know the name of the song that song they play it several times throughout the game it's at the edge intro it's the exit it's the and so it, to those of us that you know played it a bunch the first time it's kind of that song is Borderlands you know and so the fact that the songs not there, right off the bat is very very frustrating and like I waited for it the whole game, cuz I was like they got a plate at some point because this is this is the guy that got to do it they got to do it I got it and, yeah that's one thing I and I don't you're like wait that's the thing and to me yes, I still there still a particular band if I listen to it I immediately want to play Pokemon.
Pastor Bill:
[12:00] Hmm all right.
Pastor Newms:
[12:01] Because I listen to the CDs when I played the first Pokemon on my Gameboy, you know and so music is very important to me so yeah that's one thing I don't like how was your week Pastor Bill.
Pastor Bill:
[12:16] It was good we started playing Borderlands 2 like he said there was this moment where we, we ran through this thing and there was this homage to the Ninja Turtles that was fun we delivered a pizza and then we had to fight these little mutant guys they were more Mouse ninja type guys but that's fine, and they were named Leo Dan you know and then we had to solve this light puzzle where, different Electronics in their Lair to get all these lights to light up and then Flint ER crawled up out of a hole in the ground we got to fight flincher it was a lot of, so I really enjoyed that I started working for over and lift again and the mornings this week so that's been interesting. And then I apologize to those of you that listen to the podcast, Tuesday morning and then Tuesday a juice usually choose the afternoon I work on the podcast I get the transcription done and I push it schedule it to push Nadia, totally didn't happen I went on a date with my wife instead totally didn't follow back up on Wednesday morning so the podcast didn't actually come out until Saturday morning, no transcription by the way so that happened and my apologies for that late pushing of last the last episode. My wife of your telling on me because I told her it's one of those sorry not sorry things I had more more important things to take care of. Which was going on a date with my wife. Wow so you're telling me all right so that was my, um so now it's time for getting to know the pastors and we are, Pastor Newms is card this week.
Pastor Newms:
[14:17] And of course already had it ready I didn't just reach for it I remembered in your in your opinion,
what is the most what is the most beautiful manmade in the world.
Pastor Bill:
[14:50] Maybe I can explain this without tearing up maybe.
Pastor Newms:
[14:54] Oh maybe okay.
Pastor Bill:
[14:56] Maybe so the Washington Monument. Is two tone at the bottom. The building was started by slave labor. And when slavery ended officially the United States and the slaves were free from that point on it was built by paid laborers it has a different color. And the beauty of that moment being immortalized in stone has always stuck out to me. Go by yourself. Now we're talking man made object so you can be like so I'll tell you what my number two is my number two is the Motorola Razr flip phone Circa 2006 or 2007. That's my number two most beautiful man made.
Pastor Newms:
[16:34] I There's a lot running through my head as far as technology goes. Paintings that are amazing sculptures you know there's a lot. Movies pictures you know there's just a lot that's running through my head and I can't really put my thumb on. Any of them so I'm going to say. I'm going to say something that's not in existence yet. It's in the trial stages, but there's about I want to say there's three to four maybe more now companies working on it but it's a brain to computer interface, similar to what's used in Sao Sword Art Online, similar to that used in lots of sci-fi you know something you put on not plug-in is the goal but plug-in I'm fine with to.
Pastor Bill:
[18:01] Plug-in is terrifying.
Pastor Newms:
[18:12] Prosthetics everything just using the mind and there's a lot of companies working on it and there's a lot of, it's moving forward quickly but as someone who struggles with arthritis whose hands don't work correctly anymore that's something that I, find to be very beautiful that we can interface without touching, and that's something that I. I think it'll be great for a lot of reasons and terrifying for others but I think it's something that will really help a lot of, disabled you know a lot of people who are have accidents a lot of people who, have you done the generative disorders you know I think it's going to be a big thing and I think it's really cool how close we are, so that's probably my thing I know the one getting the most publicity is. Oh I'm a Spaceman I drive cars I own cars Musk, Elon Musk has one called nearer I just I'm explaining how my mind got to Elon Musk.
Pastor Bill:
[19:41] I'm a faith man I drive car. Basil's Elon Musk Buzz Aldrin I don't know where we're going though.
Pastor Newms:
[19:57] We got there Elon musk's neurolink is one of the ones that's getting the most publicity as far as news and stuff just because, well he's the most open about it he likes to hear himself talk I believe, so because of that we hear about it so I think that would be mine is that technological jump is going to make a lot of changes because I wouldn't need input devices, and for someone who has recently had to stop playing certain games because I can't anymore because my hands twitch that would be, phenomenal and that's just something I've dealt with I know I have friends that have dealt with that forever I can't imagine so. So yeah that's probably what I would say is that technological leap is going to be a big deal.
Pastor Bill:
[20:59] So tonight's episode I titled the episode the piece of Samson. And spoiler alert that was a circus takur an ironic name because that's not a thing for Samson, there is no peace for Samson.
Pastor Newms:
[21:22] I would actually disagree with that yeah I think his final moments he had made peace with.
Pastor Bill:
[21:36] With his suicidal intent.
Pastor Newms:
[21:39] Well not just that but with his responsibility for everything he did he was rolling it you know turning things over to God I think it's a. Decent Redemption Arc as well I assume that's where you were going with it.
Pastor Bill:
[22:01] All right so we've mentioned.
Pastor Newms:
[22:02] As the pillars fell there was peace.
Pastor Bill:
[22:06] We've mentioned recently how Judges is this book of cautionary tales. Don't do things this way but I also want to pull out this other way that I've started to look at judges over time, and that is let me explain this, is that yes they had a series of people who judged Israel right one of them being Samson. But also this is a list of people of whom the Israelites were, on whether or not they were ready to step into being the people the Messiah could come too. Proved over and over and over again that they weren't they weren't. And so we're going to look at just Samson we're going to go through Samson story and we're going to look at how. This all plays out right. So the Angel of the Lord comes to his parents Manoah and his wife his wife's name is. The woman I'm going to get ever. So the angel of the Lord appears to the woman and tells her she's going to have a baby and the baby's going to be a Nazarite which basically means he's going to be committed to God to a purpose he's gonna live a life set apart to be holy, and there's going to be rules that they're going to have to follow with his, and the woman goes and tells her husband and husband's like well I hope you know I hope you enjoy comes back so he can tell me what he told you and so we can you know both be on the same page, does come back to the woman and is like come talk to my husband Angel comes and talk to the, basically tells him the same thing he told her they get a little bit more detail they want to, have a sacrificial meal for this guy and the angel of the Lord whom they don't know is the Angel of the Lord that you believe he's this handsome fella and he says no no I'm not going to eat any of your food. They are that they're not talking to a human, but if you're going with you need to make a sacrifice to make a sacrifice to the Lord so sacrifice a goat and the angel of the Lord places you know the sacrifice in the fire and then Rises up in the smoke. And the man Manoa looks at his wife and says, we're certainly going to die because we have seen God so he believed this was, and Phoenix thank you for asking for references and Pastor newms thank you for typing that in on your Twitch interface since, which interface is the only one that actually shows up on all of the things.
Pastor Newms:
[26:06] Actually actually use the restream client but that's okay.
Pastor Bill:
[26:10] Maybe that's the one that shows up I don't know, and his wife this voice of reason whose name I wish we knew but we don't she turns to him and says if the Lord had intended to kill us he wouldn't have accepted the burnt offering and the grain offering, he wouldn't have shown us all these things or spoken to us like he did, and then she gives birth to Samson and the boy grows up and the spirit of the Lord began to stir him in the camp of Dan between Zorah and Ishtaol. So Samsung goes down to Timna and he sees young Philistine woman there now the Philistines.
Pastor Newms:
[26:52] Photos philistine.
Pastor Bill:
[26:57] Philistine Phyllis time whatever are ruling over Israel right now because the Israelites had once again, turned away from the Lord and the things that they were told they were supposed to be doing things so they were given over to the Philistines again. He sees a Philistine woman, and he wants to marry your cigars back and tells his mother and his father's mother and father say can't you find someone that's you know and in relative distance or one of your own people what do you have to get a Philistine, and he says, no I want this woman and the text says that they didn't know that this was actually part of the plan of the Lord trying, to get the Philistines to react trying to give the Philistines to step into a conflict this is a this is okay. Samson is ready for his first trial of proving that they're ready, as a people they've grown up and they can handle having Messiah be born. Um so Samson he goes down Timna with his father and mother to The Vineyards and a young lion comes roaring out of him, the spirit of the Lord comes on him and he tears the line apart with his bare hands, just like he's done you know preparing sacrifices of a goat or preparing a goat for a meal tears it apart, and he's you know often the trailer by himself he doesn't tell his mother and his father that it happened and, they do all this you know they meet the young woman and they decide okay this is fine we can do this after some time he returns to the woman to marry your and he leaves the road to go see the Lions carcass, actually it is the guy I fully understand I'm gonna go look at that thing I killed and bask in the glory of my adventure. And so he goes to look at the Lions carcass and he finds a honeycomb when a swarm of bees in line this part I can't relate to so he Scoops up a bunch of the honey and starts eating it, and when he gets home he gives the rest of it to his father and his mother but he doesn't tell them that he pulled his honey out of a beehive from a lions carcass.
Pastor Newms:
[29:36] But she never should have touched.
Pastor Bill:
[29:39] Weird bro yeah he shouldn't have touched a dead thing as an ass.
Pastor Newms:
[29:45] As a Nazarite mhm.
Pastor Bill:
[29:48] So they go to prepare a feast, and Samson he goads the Philistines that at this feast, and says let me tell you a riddle and, settles on an agreement of you know who's going to pay what if they can't Solve the Riddle and he tells them riddle and he says out of the eater came something to eat and out of the strong came something sweet, and I know that rhymes in English though they translated it but I guarantee you it does not rhyme any original language and so it doesn't sound so poetic. Um and obviously we know what he's talking about because we just read the story about he killed lion and then out of the line he got honey, he's talking about this thing that I have it after three days they were unable to explain the riddle on the fourth day they say to Samson's wife procedure persuade your husband to explain the riddle to us or we will burn you and your father's family to death, what's this wife's name. We don't know they didn't tell us another woman in this in the story here that we don't know her name I'm not happy about this story. So she goes crying to Samson you hate me and don't love me you told my people the riddle but haven't explained it to me and he says I haven't even told Mom father and mother about it why should I tell you, and so she continues to cry for the whole 7 Days of the feast, and on the last so this is a wedding Feast this is this is a standard seven-day Israelite wedding fees this is nothing unless you know. Weird about this is just a normal thing, and on the last day he finally gives in cuz he's she's nagging him not my words the Bible's words nagging him so much and he tells her you know and so she goes and tells, the guys and they answer it and he says this is, if you hadn't plowed with my young cow you wouldn't know my riddle now dude. The spirit of the Lord came a powerfully upon him all right this is the actual test the spirit of the Lord came upon him what's he going to do, is he going to preach to them about the law and righteousness and, let them know about the way God wants things to be done and you know you did it improve that they're worthy that they've grown up that are worthy of the Messiah no, he's going to go down to Ashkelon and he's going to use his God-given ability, instead of preaching about the Lord he didn't use his God-given ability to Kill 30 men. And strip them of their clothes in order to pay the debt for the riddle that they answer. And then he goes home Angry to his family's house. And so the father of the girl that he's just married a week ago goes, he must be mad at her he must hate her he must want a divorce he must want an annulment and so the father then gives her to another man to be that man's wife. So then later Samson comes back during the wheat Harvest and he takes a young goat with him because he wants to bring her. He says he wants to see her in her room the father says no you left I gave her away I thought you hated her hey did is a very important word there because, um that's the word they needed to use to explain the father thought he wanted a divorce he hated her that's that's your that's your clue, here take her younger sister she's more beautiful than than she is anyway, and Samson said to them and this is great because even if you disagree with me about him going and killing 30 men Samson says this time. I will be blameless when I harm the Philistines so even Samson's looking back going really shouldn't have gone and killed those 30 guy. Was I was wrong move I was I probably should have. So when caught 300 foxes the skies vindictive tithe. Really good at things tied their tails to each other in pairs right and then tied torches, into the Tails then lift the Torches and set the foxes down and we're talking 300 foxes so 150 pairs hundred fifty torches set them down on the edges of, grain Fields this it is time for the wheat Harvest all this is fully grown grain that is meant to feed families and armies and you know thousands of people burns the field down. And the Philistines come and ask who did this and they were told it was Samson the timber nights son-in-law, because he took Samson's wife and gave her to His companion so the Philistines went to her and her father and burned them. Hey burn down the fields and starved the Philistines they burned his father-in-law and wife to death so. Then Samson tears the party of men that did that limb from limb. Not as fun as moment burning down of.
Pastor Newms:
[36:18] Is that when he used a Jawbone.
Pastor Bill:
[36:21] That hasn't happened yet.
Pastor Newms:
[36:22] Okay.
Pastor Bill:
[36:24] Cindy goes down to hide in a cave at the rock of eats ham, and the Philistines go up and they camped in Judah and raided Leahy sole he is so basically Israel exists as a conglomeration of try, and each of these tribes are descended from, one of the children of budget are you know so far and so this is the tribe of Levi that's being raided, and so the men of Judah ask why have you attacked us and they replied we came, Thai Samson up and pay him for what he did to us, Samson burns on their fields so they burn his husband and his father-in-law on wife so he rips that party limb to limb so now they're going to attack a nearby, you know Jewish settlement because of it. Um then 3000 men of Judah 3 okay so they gather together 3,000 Israeli men, to go capture Samson because one, the dude can rip a lion apart with his bare hands to he's got this long hair that he keeps in seven braids, so we're talking this guy's probably got like a massive head like the size of the Rock they're afraid of this guy.
Pastor Newms:
[37:59] Nothing.
Pastor Bill:
[38:03] What you're smiling and.
Pastor Newms:
[38:04] Continue there's something I hate about for Trails of super strong people, people like Samson, what Superman would actually look like you know things like that about how they always are skinny ripped, like you mentioned the rock you know that's what a lot of people think of you know there but then like. It's not how they would end up looking.
Pastor Bill:
[38:44] Well not Superman no because you actually have to challenge your muscles to build muscle mass.
Pastor Newms:
[38:50] And a true power lifter. Looks more like a Samoan or more like you know you look at. Yes but I mean a typical not someone who diets to cut them to cut their body fat.
Pastor Bill:
[39:15] So you mean do you mean the guy who played Aquaman.
Pastor Newms:
[39:20] I mean him normally not when he's cut for a movie but the true power lifters even make them look small, those those guys who complete in the the men's strongest the strongest man not a single one of them is cut in any way shape form or idea.
Pastor Bill:
[39:40] Now they're they're Hefty.
Pastor Newms:
[39:41] Barrel-chested Hefty people and so.
Pastor Bill:
[39:46] All right so either way he was.
Pastor Newms:
[39:48] He was a big dude either way.
Pastor Bill:
[39:51] Okay let's see so they come to him and they tell them we've come to tie you up and hand you over to the philistine. Which you replied swear to me that you yourselves won't kill me. So basically saying I don't believe in killing Israelites I don't believe in killing Jews. If you come at me I will defend myself so if you swear to me that you won't kill me I'll go with you I'll let you tie me up that's fine so tie them up. And they took him to the Philistines right and let's see. The spirit of the Lord came powerfully on him here we go again his are you going to prove it are you going to prove, that you're worthy the people are worthy and the ropes are on his arms and wrists became like burnt flax and fell off, he found a fresh Jawbone of a donkey reached out his hand took it and killed a thousand men with. Touch something dead killed a thousand men what should he have done. When Jesus had an angry mob coming after him to Stone him he simply walked through them in peace and walked away. Um there's other examples but this was not the correct answer. He says with the Jawbone of a donkey I've piled them in heaps with the Jawbone of a donkey I've killed a thousand men when he finished speaking you through where the jaw bone name the place Rama. He became very thirsty carbs the Lord you have accomplished his great Victory through your servant so he gives God credit. For we got that person on YouTube trolling again. He gives God credit for what he just did. And then says my must I now die of thirst and fall into the hands of the uncircumcised. And so God responds as God always does even we screw up God responds God knows what we need and when we asked him in, this is a passionate ask but it's a sincere one God split the Hollow Place in the ground and water came after it and after Samson drank his strength returned and he revived. So yeah I think it was it was rather draining to kill a thousand men with the Jawbone of a donkey all right so it doesn't tell us how much time passes. But it does tell us that the time of. Samson as a quote-unquote judge in Israel was for 20 years 20 years 20, but then the Bible goes on to tell us another story about. We know it happened sometime after the first story, but we don't know how long. We're assuming it's sometime closer to the end of his time because the story ends with his, so we're so me it's somewhere close to the end of the 20 years, Samson goes to Gaza and he sees a prostitute and he decides to hire her so he goes out and he hires himself a whore. When the Gazites heard that Samson was there now these are these are not, these are another group of people that live in the area when you hear about Jebusites and Ammonites and Amorites and these are the Jesuits, Gazites who, heard that Samson was there how did they hear he was there well this is probably a brothel this probably isn't just one lady turning tricks this is probably an, they surrounded the place and waited in Ambush for him all that night at The City Gate right so they're at the gate there waiting they kept quiet on that saying let's wait until dawn when we will kill him, but Samson stayed in bed only until midnight. And so I imagine if this was in a movie you'd see Samson he gets up at midnight he's like I'm gonna finish my journey and then he hears Whispering coming through the window of the building, we're going to wait till sun comes up then we're gonna really get him we're gonna kill Samson he's like nope so he takes hold of the doors of The City Gate. Pulls them out bar and all puts it on his shoulders and takes him to the top of the mountain overlooking Hebron it doesn't say how many people died in this event. Anyone outside the city walls, they were dead anyone living on the city walls they were dead anyone living just inside the city walls they died too, this is this is basically I mean it's it's, when you flick a domino and they just go to to to to to to this is what happened he pulled up the city Gates and the walls would have just gone to Jen Fallen all the way around the city of the city would have no more walls, and this the walls people lived in the walls people lived on the wall people lived around the walls a lot of people died at this. Sometime later Hammy's Delilah he's just now meeting, um and she lived in the sorek valley the Philistine leaders went to her and said persuade him to tell you where his strength come from comes from so we can overpower him tie him up and make him helpless, each of us will then give you 1,100 pieces of silver Now by this point Samson's used to being, and lied to and let's not forget his first wife who literally, manipulated him and nagged him into giving her the answer so she could betray. He now has trust issues so they offer her 1,100 pieces of silver and she agrees to do it so she asks him he lies to her they try and it fails, again he lies to her they tried it fails she asks again and he's like us into the third time he lost her again they tried it fails, she's like okay you gotta tell me. What this is how can you say you love me and you won't actually tell me the truth at this point he should have just walked away. I mean because the Philistine showed up every time and try the exact thing they told her she just walked away and so he tells her the truth. And then he goes to take a nap on her lap and she summons the Philistines and they come and they use a razor and they shave his head, he wakes up his head's been shaven he doesn't have his strength They seized him a gouge out his eyes, they tuck it take him to Gaza and they imprison him his he's in prison and his hair begins to grow back. This is not a is hair because the girl back this is a example of how long he sits in this. His hair started to grow back from being shaved and clean like noticeably hair is growing back. The Philistine leaders gathered together to offer a great sacrifice to their God, they rejoice and said our God is handed over our enemies Samson to us when the people saw him they praised their God and said I gotta send it over to us our enemy who destroyed our land and who multiplied are dead, when they were good spirits they said bring Samson here to entertain us so they brought Samson from prison, and he entertained them they had him stand between the pillars this was not smart on there. That wasn't intelligence Scott who's gotten his power supernaturally somehow, we removed it temporarily let's put him in between the two lodestones pillars that are literally holding up the whole Coliseum that we're in, the temple Coliseum and he calls out you young man, lead me where I can feel the pillars supporting the temple so I can lean against them, so the men the young man leads him over and there were about 3,000 men and women on the roof, of the temple watching through the center hole so you know it's a it's a ring. And there's enough there's space for people stand around the ring like a Coliseum and then there's, seating on the inside and it's all built Lee looking towards the statue of doggone who is basically a merman, you know want to Envision so he's got these this fish body coming down with fins and then from the waist up he's a human vistage the statue of dog on where they worship doggone and and hold ceremonies and and the audio data. Um and so he's standing in between those two pillars and the pillars are close enough that not only can he touch them with both hands but then he can out stretch his arms. In order to push them over. It says he called the Lord Lord God please remember me strengthen me God just once more, with one act of Vengeance let me pay back the Philistines for my two eyes. Samson took hold of the terminal pillars supporting the temple and leaned against them one on his right hand and the other on his left, Samson said let me die with the Philistines he pushed with all his mind in the temple fell in leaders and all the people in it and those he killed his death were more than those he had killed in his life. Once again what did he do with the gift God has given him did he go look, my God has route has returned my strength to me, and you two can worship the one true God the god of Israel and he, instead of worshipping this Idol that I will now then I'll tear down this idle because there's a one true God who wants you to follow him and. He decides to get revenge and take Vengeance pushes the pillars. Suicide and taking 3,000-plus men and women with them. And while yes there may have been some semblance of Peace there at that very last moment as you pointed out it's the director you thought I was going. My main point here is judges is a book of cautionary tales, and we can see in the story of Samson over and over and over how we can look at it and go okay cool I'm not supposed to use my spiritual gift to blah, and that's throughout all the Book of Judges examples of okay I'm not supposed to use the word of the Lord for blah okay I'm not supposed to use my influence for Block okay I'm not supposed to do it this way I'm not supposed to do it this way I'm not supposed to it that way, Samson is this this really good example of people tell this story of how he was a mighty man of God and the Holy Spirit came on him so that he could kill, a thousand men with the Jawbone of a donkey except that's that's not that's not what's true saying it all. It says the spirit of Lord came upon him and he chose to use that in that manner. Lord didn't tell him to dig up a donkey boat Donkey Jaw and go kill those people, Thor didn't tell him to go kill 30 people and strip them of their clothes to pay his debt from a bet he made. But he did. Name is what you have to say about all that.
Pastor Newms:
[53:53] Well I agree with you that.
Pastor Bill:
[54:03] That's boring tell me what you don't agree with okay.
Pastor Newms:
[54:06] I'm getting there that the Lord. This was not how the story should have went I will say that. I believe he was supposed to do more, and supposed to free them from the Philistines which typically every time that happened it was through lots of murder, but he made a lot of mistakes along the way, which ended made it end the way it did I do think that. His spiritual gifting was torch strength not towards, speaking or towards any of that and he could have used it differently but typically when the Lord, was ready to pull the Israelites back it was through battle not every time but typically, so I think he was supposed to use his strength to free the people I just don't think he should have been, doing it in the way that he did it, instead of leading the Israelite Army and you know becoming this this captain and Steward and let's free the people he lived a life of Vice, and I think that's one of the reasons why the Bible calls out and he killed more in his death than he did in his life. In reading that part it's always come to me that he could have done more throughout his life leading the Army's leading the you know freeing the people like he was supposed to do according to what the angel said.
Pastor Bill:
[56:16] It was the standard quality start of the Deliverance of the Israelites from the.
Pastor Newms:
[56:25] Yep the beginning and I feel.
Pastor Bill:
[56:29] The Philistines to Judaism it would have the same effect I would have been the start of there. I always go.
Pastor Newms:
[56:41] I would disagree with that but that's.
Pastor Bill:
[56:43] In my brain I always think back to the story of Dinah, horrible story there's you know forced intimacy involved and, ultimately things start to go the right way hey if you want to marry my daughter you've got to convert. You need to become a Believer you've got to convert you've got to go through these steps you've got to become one of us. That was the right plan that was the right idea, the whole city converts the whole city converts every last man become circumcised and and commits their faith to God which was the right thing to have happened and then. The brothers decide well while they are weak from the circumcision let's just go kill them all. And that was the wrong decision.
Pastor Newms:
[57:44] And and I get that from that standpoint but the.
Pastor Bill:
[57:53] Say I don't understand the rage in their anger I do 100% I understand the rage in the anger and I do I think that you know, she deserved better than to be treated like she did buy that prints no one no one should ever be treated that way. But when the whole city converted. That should have been you know that should have been the end of that in that aspect.
Pastor Newms:
[58:25] Yeah I get that but I do think often. There was so much Strife between those people groups there still would have been issues but that's neither here nor there.
Pastor Bill:
[58:46] So our takeaways are. Don't be quote in the Book of Judges, as this is all we should do things because that's not what it is, and and we're falling on this this idea again from last week of, don't say things that you're going to do things that counter you know run contrary, to this idea of what we know the Lord wants and the way we're supposed to be living, and which you know right now is, love God with all your heart soul mind and strength and just as important love your neighbor as yourself, don't forget you can't love your neighbor unless you've learned to love yourself so there's this hole, point of order there and that when we're dealing with religious things. Prophecy stayed Doctrine Fades theology Fades the only thing that's important that remains is faith hope and love faith in God, hope in the promises of God and love your God and your neighbor. So these are things we should be focused on faith hope and love and growing in these areas personal growth not weaponized belief, this is not a weapon against another human being this is a tool that can be turned into a weapon in prayer, and used against the things that are trying to bring you down oh well you're telling me, that I'm worthless and unloved, the Bible says that God loved me so he sent his son to die and God knew me before he formed me in the womb, how could I be worthless if God formed me, in the womb and how could I be unloved if God took the time to form me in my mother's womb and sent his son to die for me and you you know you're telling me these lies but, I've got this ammo here that tells me completely different that's what this for this is not to be used against another human. I'm touching my Bible if you can't see it I set it down and started touching me.
Pastor Newms:
[1:01:27] They couldn't but that was probably good for you too because I knew what you were talking about so it's probably good that you sure thing.
Pastor Bill:
[1:01:34] So that's what I've got for you this week so you have anything else you want to add Pastor newms you think you said your piece.
Pastor Newms:
[1:01:42] No I think I think I think it's good.
Pastor Bill:
[1:01:46] I love you guys hope you have a great week.
Pastor Newms:
[1:01:50] Be safe out there.
Pastor Bill:
And until next time…

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Pastor Bill:
[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 62 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms the ever wonderful bearded one who wears beanies or hats most of the time I see you still have your tree up back there but it doesn't have any light.

Pastor Newms:
[0:31] It's actually pretty lit but we're not going to talk about that we took the balls off. Christmas tree is still up yeah I mean there's part of me that's like it's a black Christmas tree do I really take it down. You know I joked about in the past I had a tall skinny one that wasn't a real tree it was one of those that just like Circle down and looked all funny I talked about leaving that one up all year round. But now we've lost it somewhere in our garage which is crazy because our garage is not that big but I'm not sure how we lost it. Hello Phoenix.

Pastor Bill:
[1:34] So if you're listening to this podcast and you're new to The Berean Manifesto, we record live every Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time or at least when life doesn’t throw us curveballs and sometimes we don't record but when we release new episodes they are recorded live ahead. So we recorded this one but we do it with a live audience or we invite a live audience we have some regulars that join us. Biggs, thank you for being here. Phoenix, thank you for being here. Perhaps Groggy will come in later. He comes in from time to time to say hello and basically what we want to do is Foster an environment where there can be interaction. You don't have to interact if you don't want to. Chime in and say anything but if you wanted to then you could catch this live on Twitch YouTube. Like I said on Sunday nights where we go live and then you can just participate in the chat you know with your little keyboard or on your phone and be a part of the conversation that's going on sometimes we get off of topic but we've always. Like tonight's episode is called at the well and so we're gonna try to stay on topic in steer into that as much as possible but don't know, sometimes sometimes we go different directions so yeah how was your week Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:
[3:15] Our work is pretty good work is real busy right now it's a little crazy, my girls ended up sick this week so that was fun they were home for multiple days we've got. Streaming we did throughout the week streaming Borderlands and we did we're still at war in Star Trek so you know just a little bit of everything.

Pastor Bill:
[3:51] My week was good yeah I did some art for our streaming stuff. That was fun it was good to get back into Photoshop and illustrator and get some stuff done in there and.

Pastor Newms:
[4:10] Make our titles prettier and our.

Pastor Bill:
[4:14] Yeah we can't use the same little characters though because yours is all like.

Pastor Newms:
[4:20] Yeah like I don't normally look on every Sunday just say.

Pastor Bill:
[4:22] Only after I only have two eyes.

Pastor Newms:
[4:25] I almost I almost switched I almost switched just mine I didn't tell you.

Pastor Bill:
[4:34] I know that I wouldn't see it because what you send me has your title.

Pastor Newms:
[4:38] You would but it would be it would be funny because I could get out it would just be like wait did you change mine know why cause you're just the wrong size mines the correct size.

Pastor Bill:
[4:50] No oh yeah it is because of.

Pastor Newms:
[4:56] We only see part of the word Pastor if we use the same one. Well I could just shrink it but my name would be like twice your size even though our pictures are different so but yes.

Pastor Bill:
[5:12] All right so that was my week my work is great. I really have anything else to share about my week. Did a couple airport runs that was fun a regular customer that calls me for Uber rides and then my aunt was going out of town, so I needed to airport runs this week and then my wife had an airport run for my cousin on Friday evening so buddy airport runs this week going on three is a bunch. Sure all right well without further.

Pastor Newms:
[5:53] More times than I went to the airport this week.

Pastor Bill:
[5:55] It is time for Getting To Know The Pastors and this week it is a card from Pastor Newms from his pack that his wife and sister bought him, some event I can't remember what it was Biggs on Twitch asks if it was Love Field or Dallas-Fort Worth Airport and all three trips were Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. Why is that sad?

Pastor Newms:
[6:26] Huh.

Pastor Bill:
[6:28] Totally like 20 minutes difference and the Dallas when you got to get into Dallas traffic and little.

Pastor Newms:
[6:35] You really do all right you ready.

Pastor Bill:
[6:40] Or I should I should say the Love Field one you have to get into Dallas traffic.

Pastor Newms:
[6:46] We're going to end up pulling another card probably but maybe not, “If you could hear a speech from any leading figure in any field what would you choose to hear?”

Pastor Bill:
[6:59] I've always wanted to and you didn't you don't mean a recording of it, you mean.

Pastor Newms:
[7:05] Right live here speech.

Pastor Bill:
[7:06] Be there live yeah I've always wanted and I feel like that card was destined to be pulled today. I've always wanted to attend the “I Have a Dream” speech for Martin Luther King jr.

Pastor Newms:
[7:27] Okay.

Pastor Bill:
[7:28] I've always wanted to attend it I've heard I'd rather recording multiple times and it always moves me with emotions, always every time it never loses any of its. Any of its power and so I've always wanted to attend that live. So that was an easy one for me.

Pastor Newms:
[7:54] Yeah we really was and.

Pastor Bill:
[8:02] Then the reason I feel like that was you know destined is because tomorrow's the man's holiday.

Pastor Newms:
[8:08] Yes yeah tomorrow is yeah I don't I can't think of anything that's like I want to hear this speech, I can't think of anything that's pressing in my mind there's probably some technical lectures I would really enjoy but there's a couple of you know, the tech ones that happened throughout the country and Nations each year I'd love to travel to a bunch of those and just hear experts that actually have passions for their games actually talked about developing them and stuff live as opposed to just recorded but.

Pastor Bill:
[9:04] So nothing like the Gettysburg address or Sermon on the Mount or.

Pastor Newms:
[9:15] See I took it to mean a living person but it didn't specify that. Yeah, it didn't specify living or dead but.

Pastor Bill:
[9:28] I can't think of one single person alive today that I would want to go listen to just talk.

Pastor Newms:
[9:35] I can think of a couple of leaders in business and stuff that I would actually attend a lecture on but my thing is I get the same enjoyment normally. For the speech aspect in just watching it I'm not a person who needs to be in person I prefer everything to be.

Pastor Bill:
[9:58] I thought of one Craig Groeschel retelling the story of the first time he gave a sermon. In that, United Methodist I think it was and they were wearing the robes and all that all those details that's a great story if I could arrange to have him read tell me that story face to face, I would want to do that, they go a living person.

Pastor Newms:
[10:29] So Gran sent me a private message in Star Trek and he has a he has a good one, which is Neil DeGrasse Tyson on interstellar theory in the scope of the universe, and I could see that one that's one of those technical ones that I really think I would enjoy, because it's always interesting to hear those people especially ones like Neil deGrasse Tyson who is so passionate and so well-articulated, in because some scientist sadly are not.

Pastor Bill:
[11:06] I'm not a fan of Neil DeGrasse Tyson but only because you know how some people inexplicably urk me, something about their mannerisms something about attitude I don't know I did he just doesn't eat kind of don't know something about him just is off-putting so I'm not a fan.

Pastor Newms:
[11:29] You're like that with a lot of people.

Pastor Bill:
[11:31] Am I okay.

Pastor Newms:
[11:32] Yeah but that's okay I mean you have your opinions but there's a lot of like YouTubers.

Pastor Bill:
[11:41] Oh yeah, I mean I'll just say it, RevDuece. I can't watch any of RevDueces videos. A guy that makes content for Star Trek Fleet Command, I just can't watch them I get I get like 30 seconds then I'm like I'm done I'm done I can't even I can't make it any further.

Pastor Newms:
[11:56] And a lot of my SCP videos and stuff you're like I can't listen to that person I almost fell asleep I don't like that person that way that person speaks is terri… you know it's like okay no I got.

Pastor Bill:
[12:07] I finished watching the expanse right so that five seasons, there's just one character I kept rooting for them to kill off because she intentionally speaks in this low gravelly voice and every time she talks all I can mentally process is, why that voice why is this character still alive why can't I get over her voice.

Pastor Newms:
[12:36] Yeah it's there's just some people I have a couple people I work with that are like that but we won't name their names of course.

Pastor Bill:
[12:46] In the church and their church because because that's… would be me and your wife or the only people you work with in the church.

Pastor Newms:
[12:52] Not in the church no.

Pastor Bill:
[12:53] You're like I don't like your voice I don't like my wifes voice, I don't want to be here.

Pastor Newms:
[13:00] There are some days your voice grades me but it's usually because we've just gotten in an argument not because of anything valid we've gotten in one of our spats about.

Pastor Bill:
[13:09] And we argue man we spat about the stupidest thing sometimes.

Pastor Newms:
[13:14] It's the stupidest that it's semantics it's English-language ninety percent of the time because we both have a different position and we're trying to understand the other person's position but we can't because there's some word one of us is hung up on, and then we get to the end and you're like wait did we just argue for two hours on a word.

Pastor Bill:
[13:34] Yeah did we just uphold the exact same point of view and argue about it for two hours because we were stating it in different ways so you don't disagree that.

Pastor Newms:
[13:45] Gran says hooray for Network management protocols.

Pastor Bill:
[13:54] I don't know I thought if I did that that head shift thing that dogs do I'm I understand what he's saying what does that mean.

Pastor Newms:
[14:01] I'm not a hundred percent sure but I'm assuming it has something to do with. Network management protocols so I'm assuming it's Gran thought I said SN SNMP.

Pastor Bill:
[14:22] OS and MP.

Pastor Newms:
[14:25] Which is Network protocols.

Pastor Bill:
[14:26] You said.

Pastor Newms:
[14:28] SCP is the is the is a is a fandom online of, stories about what if all kinds of crazy things actually existed and there's a, non-governmental agency called the SCP Foundation which is secure contain protect. And so they there's all these short stories and all these that are some of them are phenomenal and some of them are garbage because they're written by their written on a Wiki and so it's open for people to write, um and one of the rules is it in it is because the SCP deals with reality Benders all the time there is no Cannon, so the writers themselves take what Canon they believe is true and right off that and then you when you're listening you're like and so there's these people that do these YouTube videos where they read the stories, and then add extra details from other stories that involve those essays and it's, I fell in a hole for about two years where I was listening to like three hours of it a day. It was a little crazy I have to say but.

Pastor Bill:
[15:52] And then he was like.

Pastor Newms:
[15:53] I know a lot about it.

Pastor Bill:
[15:54] He was like you should listen to some of these with me sometime and I was like okay I dragged you into Star Trek world and made you watch some Star Trek made you play store we're going to try this SCP thing it's not for me.

Pastor Newms:
[16:09] It's not for him.

Pastor Bill:
[16:10] I'm glad that Newms enjoys it and that there's something out there that can captivate him that way but it's definitely not for me.

Pastor Newms:
[16:27] Because I always forget my sister exists, and so it's an SCP of this person who everyone thinks is their little sister but when they're not like actively paying attention she disappears. But yet everyone else around them knows that and they're like wait didn't you forget your sister and that's constantly a question that whoever she's currently attached to has to ask and so it's kind of humorous.

Pastor Bill:
[17:00] It's a kind of object permanence/silence thing.

Pastor Newms:
[17:07] There's a couple of there's a couple of SCPs that have that mind-altering, reality let go like I called them reality Benders pretty constant but, I think it's funny just because we were talking about it one time and everyone's like why do you always forget your sister and I'm like I don't know I love her she lives here,
like.

Pastor Bill:
[17:29] She's not real she's an SCP.

Pastor Newms:
[17:31] I don't I'll put four plates out and then like keep making dinner and people are like, “Don’t you need 5 plates?” “Why?”

Pastor Bill:
[17:41] So your sister getting too.

Pastor Newms:
[17:43] Because Phoenix might come down and eat I don't know.

Pastor Bill:
[17:48] She don't get a plate we're just gonna put her slop straight on the table.

Pastor Newms:
[17:51] Yeah she can eat off the table and then I make food for the dog but then like don't put food out for her like you know just.

Pastor Bill:
[18:00] Food out for your sister.

Pastor Newms:
[18:03] Well I I mean like make her a plate or put her plate out or that sounded terrible.

Pastor Bill:
[18:08] It sounded horrible.

Pastor Newms:
[18:09] That's okay this morning Kaiju is learned a new thing Kaiju has learned to alert me when she is not happy, I'm with her breakfast and that she would like a breakfast additive such as you know an egg or some potatoes or you know something that that Daddy me being me would have to cook she now, goes to her food bowl she looks at her food bowl she looks at her, dry container that's next to it she puts her face on the dry container she looks at the food. Takes a bite stares me in the eye while she chews her one bite and just looks at me. While she's eating and I'm like and then she'll get up and go sit in the kitchen. Just sit on there's a rug for like washing plates right and that's where she sits when I'm cooking because it's behind the stove but it's close in case something falls off but you know, and so for breakfast when I didn't cook I had cereal the girls had cereal Kaiju had an egg so she has me properly trained, she's so cute though her little puppy dog eyes.

Pastor Bill:
[19:41] All right we got a commenter on YouTube but I don't understand the comment that's okay.

Pastor Newms:
[19:48] Born To Go not sure.

Pastor Bill:
[19:49] Yeah voor in go I don't know what that means either perhaps it's another language their name is clearly not English, kind of looks like they just went on the keyboard when they put in their name. That's kind of cool I would like a name that it looks like I just switched on the keyboard that'd be awesome I'd be like what's your name, all right so this week we're the title was at the well so, if you're wanting to follow along in the Bible we're going to pull up this one story and then we're going to do some history stuff and we're going to talk about how things relate to us and on and on our right, so if you want to go to John chapter 4. John chapter 4 and then I'm going to start reading in verse and let's just start in verse 1 because it's good to have. Context of what's going on at the time and we're going to read all the way through verse 26. We might talk about verses 27 through 38 here in a little bit if we get to it, all right when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard he was making and baptizing more disciples than John although Jesus himself was not baptizing but his disciples were, he left Judea and went again to Galilee, he had to travel through Samaria so he came to a town of Samaria called Sychar near the property that Jacob had given to his son Joseph Jacob's Well was there, and Jesus worn out from his journey sat down at the well it was about noon. A woman of Samaria came to draw water give me a drink Jesus said to her because his disciples had gone into town to buy food. How is it that you a Jew ask for a drink for me of Samaritan woman she asked him, for Jews do not associate with Samaritans Jesus answered if you knew the gift of God and who is saying to you give me a drink, you would ask him and he would give you living water, sir said the woman you don't even have a bucket and the well is deep so where do you get this living water, you aren't greater than our father Jacob are you he gave us the well and drank from it himself as did his sons and livestock, Jesus said everyone who drinks from this water will get thirsty again but whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty again, in fact the water I give him will become a well sorry will become a well of water springing up in him for eternal life. Sir the woman said to him sir give me this water so that I won't get thirsty and come here to draw water go call your husband he told her and come back here, I don't have a husband she answered you have correctly said I don't have a husband Jesus said, for you have had five husbands and the man you now have is not your husband what you have said is true, sir the woman replied I see that you are a prophet I feel like that's like the blondest answer, anyway. No friends to bonds but you get the concept our fathers worshiped on this mountain but you Jews say the place to worship is in Jerusalem, Jesus told her believe me woman an hour is coming when you will worship the father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem, you Samaritans worship what you do not know we worship what we do know because salvation is from the Jews, but an hour is coming and is now here when the true worshipers will worship the father in spirit and in truth, yes the father wants such people to worship him God is spirit and those who worship Him must Worship in spirit and in truth, the woman said to him I know that the Messiah is coming he was called Christ when he comes he will explain everything to us Jesus told her I the one speaking to you am he. So we've got this dynamic between the superior and Samaritans and the Jews and you've got this issue where Jesus, has to travel through Samaria for some reason to get from Judea to Galilee and I say has two because there are two paths from Judea outside of Jerusalem. So if you if you look at it here I'll put a map here for you if you follow this this part of my hand right here this is the Jordan River the river where Jesus was baptized and over here you've got Judea and all the Hill Country of Judea with Jerusalem, if you go up then you've got some Merit Samaria is here and then where he's going in Galilee is up here well shoe passes there, you can go through Samaria which is the quick path because there's a mountain range here and then the river it's you know you're basically by passing the mountains or, you can go over the mountains to the other side of the Jordan River and up and then back again which is a much longer trip, it is much more difficult trip so, had to go through Samaria well most Jews don't ya Biggs on Twitch says nice map, most Jews wouldn't go through Samaria they refused and they would take the long path and at one point in the Book of Luke Luke chapter 9, Jesus is actually traveling through Samaria and tries to enter a Samaritan town and they wouldn't let him because his face looked too Jewish, um or rather specifically it says when they saw in his face that he was determined or likely. Suppose the.

Pastor Newms:
[26:28] Nope.

Pastor Bill:
[26:31] And they did not receive him because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem so they're saying you can't come in our town because you look like you're a Jew, we're not going to have any of that here so the Samaritans didn't like the Jews for good reason the Jews didn't like the Samaritans, for an understandable reason I'm not going to say it's a good reason because it's in my opinion not a good reason but understandable reason, so if we want to rewind time and we go back to where so Jerusalem was was not Jerusalem the the people of Israel were two kingdoms the northern kingdom and the southern Kingdom and those two kingdoms were then United when Samuel anointed Saul as king, Saul became the king these two kingdoms were United and then Saul, loses the kingdom today that a David becomes the new king and they're still then one Kingdom Loosely one Kingdom David did more to unite the two the two kingdoms than anyone else in all of their history. And so then Samuel dies well when Samuel dies then you start to get the insurrections and the issues that David faced with his own son turn usurp him and and on and on, so then they basically split into effectively two kingdoms, they would still work together fight wars together against Outsiders but they also fought Wars against each other constantly and so that's, you know the problem is going there and then because they had, Take It On Foreign gods and married foreign wives and on and on and on the Bible says that God then handed them over to Assyria, so they go into captivity to take captivity in Assyria but there was a contingent of Jews who fled into the mountains where the Assyrians couldn't find them, and these people established on and around Mount I had it pulled up. It's the mountain that the woman in the story we just read was talking about it is Mount. And of course I scrolled away from the name of the mountain Garrison or jerez mmm.

Pastor Newms:
[29:08] My chair is acting up sorry.

Pastor Bill:
[29:11] On or around that mountain now this mountain is where the Samaritans believed, that Moses actually met with God that's the mountain where they believe that Moses met with God. The Jews believe that Moses met with God on a different Mountain the Samaritans also believe it was on this mountain that God not only gave Moses the Ten Commandments but the Samaritans believed that God, wrote the first five books of the Bible himself and presented them to Moses, when he gave him the Ten Commandments a big just saying Mount Sinai that's where the Jewish belief that God met with, Moses and did all this the Samaritans believe it's a different Mountain they also believe that this mountain is the mountain where Abraham was instructed to sacrifice Isaac, and then was stopped by the angel and this these are reasons why the Samaritans believed, that mountain is where God should be worshipped because of these events that their historical records tell them happened there. And so this offshoot of people who weren't taken into a Syria they are living up in the mountains they're worshipping, the same God but they're also worshiping Asherah they're continuing to have a Shore polls they're continuing to have the gods of other, kingdoms and other religions and they've got this whole list of gods that they're. And so then when the Jewish people are not technically freed but, king of Assyria plants groups of Jews into the territory where the Samaritans are now living, they, and these weren't just use they were Jews they were Assyrians that Jews had married they were The Offspring of people that Jews and Assyrians they were the friends and family you know extended family of so you've got, not just Assyrians but other people the Assyrians had taken you know had conquered and taken in as well as whole Melting Pot of, and this whole Melting Pot of people thing is why when the Jews do then re-establish, the southern kingdom in Jerusalem they consider Samaritans to be mongrels or mixed breeds because, they're not pure Jews anymore, in any of the Jews who had married Assyrians and so on and so on while they were in Assyria were considered mongrels and mixed breeds as well and were you know sent off. So they've got the southern Kingdom now and then the Samaritans are making up the Northern Kingdom at this point right so we fast forward to, um becomes time in the book of I want to say Ezra. In the book of Ezra it comes time where they're going to rebuild Jerusalem they're going to rebuild the Temple. And by this time, the Samaritans that had stayed had given up Asherah they've given up all the foreign Gods the only God that they're worshiping now is still. The god of the Israelites however they have their own name for him own nickname remember last time we talked about nicknames so the Sumerian nickname for God was Shehmaa, now Shehmaa is literally the word for the name, they literally nicknamed God the name. Um they were still that at this point they were exclusively worshipping the name which is the name their nickname for Yahweh, and they come and they ask well we're worshipping the same God you are we're making sacrifices to God on the mountain we would like to help build the temple and then we can all worship God together. And the team that's in charge of building the Temple says, you can't be a part of what we're doing we're doing it the king of Syria gave us leave to come do this and this is our work we're rebuilding Jerusalem and the temple you're not allowed to help us and sent them away. So this is why Samaritans don't like the juice hit that one moment in history, LEDs has led to hundreds of years of Samaritans not liking juice now today as of right now there are about 1,000, less than 1000 Samaritans left most of them hold dual citizenship Jewish and Palestinian, um and the ones that don't are full Jewish citizenship, the ones that hold dual citizen are a lot aren't required to serve in the Jewish military when they turn 18 but the ones that only have Jewish citizenship are required, and they basically all live in this one neighborhood on the outskirts of. Right there anyway so yeah there's that there's that so this is the history of that they have with each other so, we fast forward to where in Jesus time the Jews see the Samaritans as the descendants of mongrels, worse than Gentiles because they're the descendants of people who had access to God and then mixed with people who didn't, and created these Offspring and the Samaritans don't like the Jews because the Samaritans are going well we've got the word of God we worship the same God we love God we want to be together and you just told us to, go off back in the mountains and keep being mongrels right so that's where we are so Jesus. He plays on this hatred to prove a point when he tells the story of the Good Samaritan and the Pharisees actually, use the term Samaritan as an insult and describe Jesus as a Samaritan, or demon-possessed man that's actually how they describe Jesus as an insult was to call him a. So we've got some serious issues going on right but both groups want. To worship God and Jesus says well the day is coming where it won't matter. On the mountain or in the temple or by the tree or at the well or anywhere else because you will worship in spirit and in truth. See that there's this whole thing going on here in in John 4 beyond the idea of Living Water, to where you'll thirst no more, that means something different than any means now when you're thirsty it means you want some physical intimacy and you're scrolling online to try to find some substitute for it because you're thirsty. Then it means something completely different liquid was equated to spiritual life, if you were dry and parched spiritually then you were thirsty, and Jesus is using this well as is example of well I bring living water so that spiritually you won't be empty and dry and longing and thirsty anymore. But there's more going on here there's this there's this thing where Jesus is going there's this time. When you're all going to be one and it won't matter what that label is anymore of Samaritan or Jew, Gentile, Baptist, Methodist, Protestant, Evangelical, Catholic. On and on and on I can't list all of them Lutheran Methodist can't list all these labels that we tried to use to create separations in the. The only issue that makes you not a part of the church is If you deny that Jesus came and died on the cross and was raised again. That's it if you believe that three part statement came died rose again. Then we're the same group we're the same should be no barriers between us. And that's what I wanted to highlight from the story of at the well it's because. When we put our faith in Christ. We all receive that well spring of Living Water in our hearts and it's all the same Wellspring and it's all Fred fed from the same Waters we all have that same wall spring in our hearts. Anything you want to add to that Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:
[39:41] No I will agree I think that that's a very important part of the story that often gets gleaned over, just because you know there's the hole, Jesus went out of his way to show the Samaritans that they were part of this to this you know there's this part of the story that part of the story you know oh look Jesus knows everything just by looking at someone you know there's all these different parts of the story that a lot of people spend a lot of time highlighting and skipping over the part where Jesus is basically like can y'all stop squabbling like children like this isn't what matters, very soon none of this will matter as far as who and where because everyone can worship anywhere and I think that's also a very important part of that because, so often we you know you have a mindset that some people have that worship is only in a church building, not everyone I'm not trying to say you know not a specific denomination not a specific type of person but there are people who believe that and.

Pastor Bill:
[40:53] Like cursing I don't curse in a church building.

Pastor Newms:
[40:57] Sometimes yeah don't wear a cowboy hat.

Pastor Bill:
[41:00] Does it make that it's that four walls instead of this four walls.

Pastor Newms:
[41:04] What's you shouldn't live different. But another aspect of that is that those types of people that are like oh well I'm at church so I'm going to worship and then, the rest of the week rolls around and there is no Worship in their hearts, there is no prayer and Thanksgiving there is no it's just, I work I do my stuff I am who I am I'm you know they ignore God all week because they can only pay attention to God in the house and it's like, that's not the holy spirit in us as that Wellspring doesn't everywhere we go every time we talk every time we eat Saul, that you know it's all influenced by it it's you know I find it interesting often you know there's a difference between like a Christian Author and an author who is Christian and a Christian artist and an artist who is Christian and and oftentimes you know even if you're writing in the secular, if you are a Christian who is actively accessing the Holy Spirit, You Can't Hide certain aspects you know there are certain stories that have been told.

Pastor Bill:
[42:37] That's why when you listen to Switchfoot songs you hear even though they are technically a cycler band you hear a come through you listen to Lifehouse, you hear their faith come through.

Pastor Newms:
[42:52] And even bands where you look at bands like Korn where, several of their members became Christian but they can sit they continue the same style of music in the same way but the music takes a drastic shift and everyone's like oh it's because they got sober, oh it's because of this oh it's because of that it's like well yes all of those. And like and so it's interesting too.

Pastor Bill:
[43:24] And you're going to tell me them altar calls at the end of the Korn concert that's because of.

Pastor Newms:
[43:29] Yeah it is it's just because they got sober.

Pastor Bill:
[43:31] Sober as well that's because I got so okay okay.

Pastor Newms:
[43:33] Yeah that's the only reason.

Pastor Bill:
[43:35] I got you I got you.

Pastor Newms:
[43:38] Yeah but it's always interesting to see you know there are people who you cannot and then we have the opposite we have people who claim to be Christians and you know they win an award and thank God and yet you look at him and you're like.

Pastor Bill:
[43:52] Mmm.

Pastor Newms:
[43:55] There's no fruit there's no fruit that's a dead tree if that is a tree.

Pastor Bill:
[44:00] There is no light shining forth here this is not.

Pastor Newms:
[44:03] There. You know but in that you know. It sometimes feels like application but you see some of those people down the road. Make their realizations you know so it's always interesting to watch some of those kinds of things but what's important is not where we are or whom we are, or in what way we do it it's the problem is that spirit and Truth, that's that big important part of worship in and of following is the spirit and Truth not necessarily all the extra stuff that we often as we mentioned in the beginning there are times, that we will argue there are times that we disagree on Little Things, because we believe and the reason why we typically get to that point is trying to defend the truth that we believe in and that's something as, Berean lifestyle like we talked about so often of searching for the truth in the Bible in historical documents in you know, not taking something someone says even if I say it bill says it you know your mama across the street says it 14 people, told you one time that your cousin said it you know it doesn't matter who said it we should always be searching for, the actual truth in that.

Pastor Bill:
[45:42] That's the main thing is prove it.

Pastor Newms:
[45:43] You like to the 14 people telling me that your cousin said.

Pastor Bill:
[45:48] Yeah like that that was.

Pastor Newms:
[45:49] Did you like that okay just because it comes across your Facebook feed your Tik-Tok your Instagram, your YouTube does not mean it's truth I don't actually like for me for example I don't actually believe the SCP Foundation is real because they wouldn't call it that and then make a series but there are people who are like see they wrote about it and since they wrote about it that's because it's true.

Pastor Bill:
[46:17] Plausible.

Pastor Newms:
[46:17] Plausible deniability that's why they wrote it they wouldn't have wrote it if it isn't true and you're looking at the person going.

Pastor Bill:
[46:23] They actually did run plausible deniability programs in the 80s and 90s with TV shows and.

Pastor Newms:
[46:32] Do they still do.

Pastor Bill:
[46:33] Well I mean not as much as they used to but it's set off such a firestorm in conspiracy theory circles that they were like we made it worse we made it so much worse we might help me move in it so much worse.

Pastor Newms:
[46:45] Yeah I mean there are things that are you know crazy that are out there but, you know we deal with it we move on but I'm just saying we have to search for the truth now I'm not trying to say don't believe anything you read, because things that are published and peer-reviewed multiple times by whole separate groups can be trusted to certain degrees, again just because someone else on Facebook says something isn't true doesn't mean it is but, that's my soapbox.

Pastor Bill:
[47:24] So with the like the Doom and Gloom over the last few years, we're all gonna die we're all gonna get sick and suffer and die and and it's going to be horrible and, okay okay I'm not going to dispute the facts of what you're saying, there are diseases people are going to get infected it's going to happen but what I am going to say is, you're telling me that's important and I'm telling you that the hope and promise that I see here. Is what's important so that's my truth in that Doom and Gloom moment is you're telling me The Skys Falling Down. And this book tells me that Skies only my temporary roof for now I got bigger things to worry about.

Pastor Newms:
[48:22] And that that does say the sky will fall at a certain point but that doesn't mean we.

Pastor Bill:
[48:27] More like the sky will rip open like a scroll like a scroll has been pulled too tightly.

Pastor Newms:
[48:43] The whole point of it talking about things like that is to show us that's not the true end that is the end of this realm and so yeah it's going to happen but.

Pastor Bill:
[48:56] Bad things are always going to happen.

Pastor Newms:
[48:58] Yeah yeah. Love.

Pastor Bill:
[48:59] But I have hope I have faith there's things that are more important to me yeah faith hope The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern… You did it you did it.

Pastor Newms:
[49:17] I know I apologize to all the viewers.

Pastor Bill:
[49:20] You brought it right out of me.

Pastor Newms:
[49:22] And I did I did I'm sorry.

Pastor Bill:
[49:25] So did you learn anything about the Samaritans tonight Pastor Newms

Pastor Newms:
No.

Pastor Bill:
No, you knew about Mount Gersh Gershom?

Pastor Newms:
[49:34] The only thing I didn't know I guess I did learn one thing I did not know they all currently live in one neighborhood I knew there was one, area but I thought it was more than a thousand people left so that that that I didn't know, but yes.

Pastor Bill:
[49:59] Alright so here's another thing that I can tell you about Samaritans so there was a time when Ithamar was a priest who was a descendant of Aaron in the Levitical line and there was another place priest named Eli. And Eli didn't think he was getting enough kickback, from the offerings and tied the people were bringing to the temple so he left and went into the mountains and built a temple for the Samaritans where they could worship God, and that went great for Eli for a while until the Samaritans got wise to why and what he was doing, and then they ran him out of town and then nobody knows what happened to him after that. But they got it simple out of it on the mountain that Temple that she was talking about worshiping God in that's the temple Built by the evil priest Eli and then used by God to draw those people back towards himself. Because that's what God does constantly throughout history we see it.

Pastor Newms:
[51:27] Everything that's meant yep.

Pastor Bill:
[51:30] And you can call God by any name you want to call him, but when it's the same profile and the same mercy and the same and the same and the same and you can see it and you go well that's clearly the same God of with different names reaching out to different people, the reason that Jesus came as a Jew. Was one fold that is one reason and that was because when God found no one faithful on the Earth.
Abraham heard a whisper in the wilderness and had faith that it was real. And it turned out to be the voice of God. That's it that's the only reason because one man was trying to have faith when everyone else in the world had given up on faith. The story of that the well. I believe the most important part there is as Believers we are the church one body, an antibody has different parts we have a mouth and eyes and ears and hands and feet and we serve different purposes and we reach different people in different ways We Are One. Why are you smirking over there.

Pastor Newms:
[53:24] Sorry I'm a bad person and the only thing I could think of was the fact, two groups of people that we have recently been talking about a lot are two arms of the same body and it just it made me chuckle and I was trying to keep it to myself but I obviously my face couldn't, sorry.

Pastor Bill:
[53:47] Has a Star Trek reference by the way to our do the Star Trek game that we play.

Pastor Newms:
[53:49] Is the Star Trek Fleet command reference is yes anyway sorry.

Pastor Bill:
[53:55] All right well we're now we're in and that's usual work you know at the 59th minute not quite an hour yet but I don't think anyone online has any questions always typed in any questions so, who's hitting themselves what big.

Pastor Newms:
[54:13] Yeah why are we hitting ourselves.

Pastor Bill:
[54:14] What are you talking about.

Pastor Newms:
[54:16] I'm confused Biggs are you talking about I'm not hitting myself.

Pastor Bill:
[54:23] All right well that's all we have for tonight I love you guys and I hope you have a great week.

Pastor Newms:
I love you guys and be safe out there.

Pastor Bill:
And until next time…

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 61 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by my illustrious co-host, (where are you right here) Pastor Newms. All the way from the cold frigid Northern Wasteland of Tennessee.

Pastor Newms:

[0:23] Oh no it's 50 degrees today and raining so yeah the snow is gone yeah yeah which is even more funny we had.

Pastor Bill:

[0:33] We got up to 45 today with 15 to 20 mile an hour wind gusts and they're forecasting that an even deeper drop in temperatures this evening so.

Pastor Newms:

[0:48] So we had several days of hot and then it frozen snow. Then we had a couple of days where it De-thawed but didn't rise real high and then like the night we went to the first Whataburger to open in in Tennessee in over 40 years because it closed in the 80s. We went there waited in line for three hours to what's wrong.

Pastor Bill:

[1:22] 40 years… I'm old.

Pastor Newms:

[1:23] Today you're old now.

Pastor Bill:

[1:25] As of an hour ago.

Pastor Newms:

[1:27] Yep an hour ago you got old and I didn't say Happy Birthday on purpose for our whole pre conversation and the whole day to wait till right now just so that way I could rub in the fact that you're 40. For the first time out of my mouth here no problem on yep yep live on camera so. We left the house and it was 52 degrees we left it for 45 by the time we got home it was like 31 in the 3 and the 3 to 4 hours we were gone, and then, Thursday and Friday it snowed and so the girls were out of school and Pastor Bills camera just went down again because Teams hates him and then.

Pastor Bill:

[2:22] My own son on the Twitch channel, “I forgot it was your birthday.”

Pastor Newms:

[2:28] That's messed up.

Pastor Bill:

[2:28] Rude.

Pastor Newms:

[2:30] That's messed up, are you going to turn your camera back on are we just going without your camera.

Pastor Bill:

It won’t come back on.

Pastor Newms

[2:41] That is some kind of special. Cool then Saturday it was kind of cold, and started to melt it was in the you know high 30s low 40s and today it's 54 degrees and raining so it's been just a nut so of a weather system here in. On bigger news, your son forgot your birthday which worries me greatly because he's just across the house.

Pastor Bill:

[3:22] Well we didn't really make a big deal out of it today and so well we usually go out and have a meal or something but we didn't do that so. Okay so I'm gonna have to start running my camera through OBS or something because teams just does not want to use my Razor camera just.

Pastor Newms:

[3:57] It hates your camera homie will have to after tonight we'll have to set something up you have to fiddle with it throughout this evening and then we'll work on fixing it, tomorrow and in the meantime we'll just get really great video from you all night. And you know I don't even have a creation where you're the little and I'm the big no I.

Pastor Bill:

[4:26] You never set up an aspect ratio for you to be the host?

Pastor Newms:

[4:29] Hmm we haven't.

Pastor Bill:

[4:55] Anyway how was your week.

Pastor Newms:

[4:56] Anyway my week was good my week was very busy, but other than my week being really busy it was good. Yeah we played some Borderlands we finished the main story which was good and our gaming with the pastor's.

Pastor Bill:

[5:27] It was really anti-climactic though like it was more of a challenge getting to the end of the game, then the actual end of the game.

Pastor Newms:

[5:38] And that's part of the point actually because if you notice it just continues like nothing actually.

Pastor Bill:

[5:44] Yeah, like nothing happened it was just like congratulations just life.

Pastor Newms:

[5:48] You killed a giant interdimensional monster called The Destroyer.

Pastor Bill:

[5:50] Ah spoilers what if somebody has to play through before why would you.

Pastor Newms:

[5:58] I'm going to be honest, that game is so old I don't mind yeah well yeah not that worried about it and I didn't say how you get to the end. Just said at the end you destroy a monster if you play a game at the end you don't get to defeat a giant monster called something that's trying to destroy everything what kind of game are you playing.

Pastor Bill:

[6:29] Puzzle game, a relaxing game mining Simulator game a farm life Simulator game.

Pastor Newms:

[6:42] You know sometimes I just I get done with you. Now everyone gets to see me adjust this in real time.

Pastor Bill:

[6:55] Biggs says Mario but even in Mario you fight a bad guy at the end.

Pastor Newms:

[7:00] Multiple bad guys.

Pastor Bill:

[7:02] Sometimes multiple.

Pastor Newms:

[7:04] What time what else is it this needs moved here and then needs to.

Pastor Bill:

[7:13] There was.

Pastor Newms:

[7:14] Small.

Pastor Bill:

[7:15] There was Mario Brothers not Super Mario Brothers but Mario Brothers that came out in between dunk in between, Donkey Kong and Super Mario Brothers, where Mario and Luigi come out of pipes at the bottom and then bad guys coming out of the pipes at the top, boss battles in that game you just compete against the other player to see how many of the little monsters you can squash in each round.

Pastor Newms:

[7:46] Yeah I do remember that that was an interesting game I now have it fixed to where I am big and you are little.

Pastor Bill:

[7:56] And in Super Mario Brothers 3 if when it's your turn to choose a level and you're playing with someone else if you choose the other person's character as the level, it will launch regular Mario Brothers and you can play regular Mario Brothers against the other person.

Pastor Newms:

[8:15] Really that I did not know or I had forgotten.

Pastor Bill:

[8:33] Slow relaxing head doctor's appointment. Got an adjustment on my medication which turned out fantastic.

Pastor Newms:

[8:45] Your medication what's that.

Pastor Bill:

[8:47] Magic magic magic keishon Magik Cajon my education turned out fantastic, I feel great so that's awesome my magic medication medication medication medication that stuff, anyway it’s time for Getting To Know The Pastors.

Pastor Newms:

[9:08] I don't like not being able to see you it really irritates me.

Pastor Bill:

[9:12] Hey yeah it's weird I don't know what to do about it man.

Pastor Newms:

[9:16] I know I don't like being the big face just saying at all not even a little.

Pastor Bill:

[9:24] Hey I may be to let you stay on this time all right if you had to delete all but three apps from your smartphone which ones would you keep.

Pastor Newms:

[9:37] Well here's a question. What about all the apps you're not able to delete I'm assuming these are apps that you can add yourself.

Pastor Bill:

[9:52] Right right not like the bloatware that you're required to have by the phone company or the carrier.

Pastor Newms:

[10:03] Discord.

Pastor Bill:

[10:05] Mmm.

Pastor Newms:

Influence.

Pastor Bill:

[10:15] Influence, what's Influence?

Pastor Newms:

[10:17] And probably Spotify. So Influence is a game that is the as some people know I delete and start playing new games, a lot I actually have multiple ways that games are stored on my phone I've got this area that has just games that come and go, and then I actually have a folder of games, right and the folder of games are games that I don't remove just because the time the other games can come and go I get bored with them I delete them I install and delete on average about 10 games a week, just because I love trying new games and and seeing if I liked it influences the game that I've had on my phone the longest, I want to say this is either the third or fourth phone that influence has been on, and it's just a game that I love from a company called Terror mock games, it says like a it's either a two or three person development team that they don't do it full-time and it's a phenomenal game. And it that's how it looks and the point of the game is to take over an area with your color. And it has been on my phone the longest of any game that I have and I absolutely love it because it's just an advanced form of you know it's a strategy game turn-based and it, it's great because I can do it. It unless it's against for super you can play with up to five catch up to four computers in yourself so up, colors on the map, unless it's for of the hardest that they just released this year end of last year they released a new algorithm for one of their characters unless it's four of those I can play it mindlessly while I'm doing other things, so I'm often, you know moving the people over you know while I'm doing completely other things watching TV doing because it's, it's almost a fidget for me at this point so but they recently released, a new version a new part that are challenges that are a lot harder and I actually have to focus on which makes me really happy, now there's two parts of the game the Mindless part I can do and then so what about you what would you leave on your phone.

Pastor Bill:

[13:21] Discord just like you Star Trek Fleet command I don't play that often on my actual PC and, my hours at my desk or limited anyway because you know my wife works overnight and then she needs to sleep and so I can't be at my desk click-clacking away at the keyboard and whatnot because, my office is literally I mean I can reach out and touch my bed from my desk so so you know shared space gotta respect the, the lady who works those hours, I almost said the lady of the night but she's not a lady of the night she’s an Uber driver.

Pastor Newms:

[14:02] That is not how we're going to refer to your.

Pastor Bill:

[14:04] No regular fertilizes Lady Of The Night.

Pastor Newms:

[14:07] Um

Pastor Bill:

[14:08] And so you know I would keep Star Trek Fleet Command and then for my third app, I guess it would have to be Netflix.

Pastor Newms:

[14:23] You do enjoy having. Some way to watch TV on your phone because it helps you go to sleep at night.

Pastor Bill:

[14:35] Healthy got while I can use the iPad for that yeah but like when I'm cooking something or, doing any like General loading the laundry machine of the dishwasher the washing machine with clothes or just anything I'm doing you know I I put on background noise some show that's familiar that I've already seen to just, occupy my mind while I'm doing the things you know to help because if I don't have that, thing that I've already chosen to occupy my mind then my mind will get distracted and I'll find myself off task I'll be, I'll be jumping bunny Trails I’ll be like, oh this door, his back this back door to the house needs this and this and this done and and then it'll be eight hours later and I still haven't even started the laundry that I brought it into the laundry room because I've gotten distracted by, another task. Since the new medicine I'm on is also used for ADHD it's not why I'm taking it but it's also used for ADHD it'll be nice to see if. Things are different that way alright so there you go now you know a little bit more about the pastor's so, this podcast that you listen to right now or watching is recorded live every Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time we'd like to invite anyone who's hearing it or seeing the video afterwards to join us when we go live on Sunday evenings you can join us on Twitch Facebook YouTube, see us live you know there's a buffer obviously there's a buffer nothing is, instantaneous in the world but you have the ability to then type in the chat box and be a part of the conversation like, dark Grayson who's joining us on Twitch tonight said let's go earlier and my son first from Gerg, admitted that he forgot it was my birthday and then put some laughing faces we got BiggsGFG is a normal people person who joins us we've got HP Phoenix who joins us regularly Now Phoenix is actually, typing within our Discord channel that we actually have if you'd like to get an invite to the Discord Channel you can shoot me an e-mail pastorbill@ekklesianhouse.com or simply pastorbill@ekk.house

Pastor Newms:

[17:17] Which makes me so happy that we have that.

Pastor Bill:

[17:19] Yeah much easier to spell and remember so if you'd like to send me an email to and join our Discord server you can also go to our website www.ekk.house and see what, Twitch Channel what Facebook profile and what YouTube channel you can go to to watch the live other than the live and the videos that we have on those, platforms I have a what's the word. Tick-Tock I have a personal Tick Tock where I post videos sometimes Pastor Newms has a personal Tick Tock so if you want to go look us up and find us that would be fun we also have our gaming with the pastor's that we do when we have the time where we stream games that we play currently were going through the old Borderlands games why are you laughing.

Pastor Newms:

[18:18] Because you just called it old.

Pastor Bill:

[18:19] It is old you said it earlier it's old.

Pastor Newms:

[18:22] I know.

Pastor Bill:

[18:26] The Borderlands games which have been fun and the whole purpose of there is to come hang out get to know us we get to know you we talked about just whatever if you're a Christian it's a great place to hang out with other Christians if you're not a Christian it's a great safe space just come hang out and we're not trying to force you anything we literally just want to hang out with you, now at some point if you want to ask us questions will be there to answer, we're not there to shove anything down your throat we're literally there too just to game and hang out with you and create a safe space to hang out and, have fun and watch us play games and someday someday we may play something that you can then get on and join us as we play we were doing, New World at one point that MMO but it had issues.

Pastor Newms:

[19:25] It's I think it's gonna be a good game in two years but that's beside the point this isn't about gaming but I think it'll I think it'll be good in about two years.

Pastor Bill:

[19:33] About two years Newms gives it for New World to get good so we'll see all right so tonight's, the title of tonight's podcast is in the Nate and I thought it would be a good idea your, moving your face funny Pastor Newms already you were foot why are you. Why are you making faces.

Pastor Newms:

[20:19] 16 minutes ago well somewhere between 30 11 and 23 is when all the news reports come out Bob Saget has passed at age 65 in Orlando.

Pastor Bill:

[20:41] So 2021.

Pastor Newms:

[20:43] Starting off with a bang.

Pastor Bill:

[20:44] Took Betty White and 2022 is like I see your Betty White and raise you a Bob Saget.

Pastor Newms:

[20:51] I wouldn't say I raised you it's just and I.

Pastor Bill:

[20:54] Come on everybody's TV father.

Pastor Newms:

[20:58] Not now.

Pastor Bill:

[20:59] Full House a house staple America's Funniest Home Videos the host for like 20 years.

Pastor Newms:

[21:20] I still like Betty White more I like Bob Saget don't get me wrong. I prefer Betty White but it is a shock and he will be missed and that's sad.

Pastor Bill:

[21:38] I'm shocked he made it this far have you heard his secular comedy routine his non family-friendly comedy routine woo.

Pastor Newms:

[21:46] Yes there were there were times where he was heavily involved in a lot of things aside from what we see as TVs dad.

Pastor Bill:

[21:51] Mmm Yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[21:57] But it's amazing the things you hear on Galaxy chat in Star Trek all of a sudden it just started blowing up and I was like what's what's what is that going on over there and then it was like oh, hmm that's not what I want to okay anyway.

Pastor Bill:

[22:17] All right let's get a little nerdy.

Pastor Newms:

[22:20] Get a little nerdy.

Pastor Bill:

[22:22] We can get a little nerdy.

Pastor Newms:

[22:24] Why are we getting nerdy we've already been nerdy.

Pastor Bill:

[22:26] Because I'm a nerd and I nerd out for this thing this stuff.

Pastor Newms:

[22:31] You do you love the deep in text.

Pastor Bill:

[22:34] All right so can you tell me what the name of God is.

Pastor Newms:

[22:47] No

Pastor Bill:

[22:48] No you can't you can't tell me what the name of God is.

Pastor Newms:

[22:53] I can tell you, what some people referred to him as I can tell you what some people wrote down about the name is but the actual name is.

Pastor Bill:

[23:09] I can tell you what God calls himself in the Hebrew language emphasis there on the Hebrew language.

Pastor Newms:

[23:18] Yeah but yeah it is definitely not something that is. As well known as people like to say it is we have names of God you know things that the Bible referred to him as.

Pastor Bill:

[23:41] But even then it's not names of God those are descriptions of God's character.

Pastor Newms:

[23:48] Which is why.

Pastor Bill:

[23:49] Of a gyro Edge over these are all descriptions.

Pastor Newms:

[23:53] Which is why I put quotation marks that everyone else couldn't see.

Pastor Bill:

[23:56] Yeah but in the podcast no one can see your quotation. All right so the only time that God ever actually calls himself by name in the Bible, is any Ezekiel 3:14. In English we say it as I am that I am, and if you go and you look it up you want to type that in from Ezekiel 3:14 because I got, too many windows open and if I try to move them I'm going to lose my camera again if we look in the scriptures when you read I am that I am.

Pastor Newms:

[24:46] That's not how you spell Ezekiel.

Pastor Bill:

[24:48] Is in all caps meaning, this is not actually meant to be read as I am that I am this is an actual name a holy name and we've made it all caps so that you would understand, that we thought the name was too holy to actually write down and so we wrote down the equivalent.

Pastor Newms:

[25:15] Where did you say it was.

Pastor Bill:

[25:20] Exodus 3.

Pastor Newms:

[25:22] Why don't read Ezekiel.

Pastor Bill:

[25:25] Exodus 3:14.

Pastor Newms:

[25:27] Why did I write and hear Ezekiel.

Pastor Bill:

[25:29] I have no idea what is it what's in Ezekiel 3:14.

Pastor Newms:

[25:32] Nothing close to what we're talking about.

Pastor Bill:

[25:35] Really what does it say.

Pastor Newms:

[25:36] I've already left it.

Pastor Bill:

[25:38] Okay I'll look it up in my Bible.

Pastor Newms:

[25:44] Anything to do with the name of God could have swore for some reason I typed Ezekiel nope the chat says you did say Ezekiel, so I don't know why you're thinking about Ezekiel but.

Pastor Bill:

[26:03] That's hilarious.

Pastor Newms:

[26:04] Yeah that's why I was like wait no because in the back of my mind I was thinking.

Pastor Bill:

[26:18] Pardon my slip of the tongue.

Pastor Newms:

[26:31] The spirit lifted me up and took me away I left in bitterness and an angry Spirit and the Lord's hand was on me powerfully.

[26:47] So

Pastor Bill:

[26:48] Definitely nothing to do with what we're talking about tonight.

Pastor Newms:

[26:50] Nope.

Pastor Bill:

[26:51] As you said alright so, in the Hebrew what God said there was hawyaw asher hawyaw. Haway asher hawyaw meaning I exist. Because I exist or I exist because I wanted to or I exist because I always have or something along these lines is the.

Pastor Newms:

[27:23] I came to pass because I came to pass.

Pastor Bill:

[27:26] Yeah I came to pass because I came to pass I wanted to so I did. Now according to the tradition the Hebrew tradition, the name of God that we identify as the name of God was given to Moses on the mountain, when he received the ten commandments so the idea that everyone says well this is the name of God, is based around the story not the biblical account of but the story of well this is what happened on the mountain, God revealed his name to Moses and that's where we get the name Yahweh, it is the in Greek we color the tetragrammaton or in Hebrew the tetragram, both of those meaning a four-letter word. And those four letters are yodh hey V hey, or written in English yhw H no vowels in there whatsoever, yo dude hey hey now that s hey is actually silent so it would be your hey Ava, which then we pronounce as Yahweh because we have ignorant American tongues okay, no It's it is Yahweh it's I can't even pronounce it right but it's closer to Yahweh than Yoda hey you know vahey because when we're speaking we don't say you know, A Aron when we read the name Aaron right so it's the same thing you don't say the name of the letter, that's their you make the sound that the letter makes so anyway but that last letter the last hey is the last letter is silent so it's actually just a three letters Yahweh Yahweh, now as it is believed that the name of God isn't supposed to actually be said aloud, right because it's wholly so it should never pass from an Unholy lips is the belief when they would, get to the name of God in when they were transliterate you know transcribing the Bible they would replace it with nicknames, did you just throw something up on the tray on the live this.

Pastor Newms:

[30:17] No I tried to switch to you and I switched to just your face and then I switch to the title for some reason then I switched back and because I hated the fact that I was big, it was irritating me yeah fun video tonight guys.

Pastor Bill:

[30:33] So since God's name isn't supposed to be said aloud or that's what they believed nowhere in the Bible does God ever say, don't tell people what my name is don't speak name that was it that was a human belief they would, substitute it with nicknames and originally the started with you just understood that when you're reading, out of the verses to the assembly when you got to that word you would use a nickname, unimproved nickname that the priest had approved, and then later like I said the people who were transcribing over and over and over again it became the belief that even the name of God was too holy to be written, and so then they would start using those nicknames and they would write them at all caps like we saw I am that I am they worded in all caps because they were using God's name but they weren't actually writing, the actual name the actual words that God used they were you know letting you know, this is he didn't actually say I am that I am he said the Hebrew equivalent of I am that I am. Or some semblance of that and they cleaned it up to hiya assure hiya to make it flow better, you know still the name but not met not met in necessarily the exact, sounds that God made when he said it okay so these nicknames you ready be ready for these nicknames that they. Through in their throat at that time these are these are some interesting nickname so you've got Adam and I we know that one I don't know Elohim.

Pastor Newms:

[32:27] Right we know that one yep we know that one.

Pastor Bill:

[32:32] Even Elohim the hell he even though the Canaanites to use the Sumerians youth Mesopotamia juice they recognize Elohim so that was probably an influence from you know a cultural influence, Hashem curious, Dominus that's one that the New Testament like to use a lot more to go wow Pippi j'avais and Asia, are all nicknames that transcribers have used, to indicate the name of God was used here we shouldn't read the name of God so we use this nickname and then as time progressed it became the belief that even the nicknames of God were holy, but they wrote them anyway but after they would write them they would break their pin. And throw the pin away and start fresh with a new PIN because once that pin had written the name of God it shouldn't be so lead by writing any other, it should be retired from service because it wrote the nickname of God isn't that interesting.

Pastor Newms:

[33:53] It is and in certain. Jewish cultures not totally across but because you know there's different sects of Judaism different sects of, Messianic Jews they will not use the name Jesus either, for the same reason they leave out a letter or they which is really interesting too, read when you're like wait why is there literally a dash a dash in the middle of, the name g like I know that that verse says Jesus I've read that verse a thousand like why is there that because they won't write it and so they put a dash and then they're not writing the whole name and, that's better.

Pastor Bill:

[34:49] All right so we're going to get to Jesus we're not quite there yet let's talk about the name Jehovah. Okay because we know this is used a lot Jehovah Nissi Jehovah Jireh Jehovah on and on and on there's all those names, the word Jehovah, the etymology of this word is that when it became necessary to include vowels for language, um they took the word Yahweh and they took the nickname as of my, and they took the syllables from Adonai, and place them equally in between the letters of the tetragrammaton yhw H to create a new word, and that word is Yehovah. And that's where we get the name Jehovah some person decided that Yahweh wasn't good enough and Adam and I wasn't good enough we needed, a name for God that had not just. Consonants but also vowels, and so they merged a nickname of God with what they believed the name of God was that was given to Moses on the mountain to create yehovah Jehovah, as we say it now now Jehovah now let's now we can start talking about things like this the letter j, The J the simple Jay didn't even exist. When the King James Bible was translated. There wasn't a letter j the letter J is so young it's younger than the King James Bible in the year 1600. 1600 they still didn't have a letter j, So when you say oh no his name was definitely Jesus they definitely called him Jesus, I'm sorry they couldn't have the letter J didn't exist yet it wasn't a spoken letter it wasn't a represented letter in writing, didn't exist yet if you go back and you get one of those copies of the Bible you know from, early early prints its i0 e s u.s. is the closest English transliteration for Jesus but if you go and you look in Matthew, when the angel says and you shall call him Jesus the word Jesus is in all caps. And what did we just talk about that means it means the angel uses a name for God, and that the translator substituted it with an accepted nickname, and wrote it in all caps so that you would understand that it wasn't he wasn't saying that word he was saying the accepted nickname, so then we had to ask yourselves what was Jesus name. And some people have said well Yeshua his name would have been Yeshua you should okay number one where did we get that from. Because I don't know and number two. If this man had to fulfill all of the prophecies in order to be the Messiah then his name would have been a manual. Right not Joshua. And it certainly wasn't Jesus.

Pastor Newms:

[39:26] Well it's the, the verses that talk about that is they shall call him Emmanuel so it doesn't have to be his name it's just something they would have used someone, called him that it's not necessarily named it's more of a title but that's beside the point.

Pastor Bill:

[39:48] What's the name certainly wasn't Jesus.

Pastor Newms:

[39:50] No no cuz it didn't exist even even in in the Strong's Concordance it's the I co.

Pastor Bill:

[40:02] S u s--

Pastor Newms:

[40:03] Yeah so and continue, I want to see where where you fully get to and then I'll say what I want to say so.

Pastor Bill:

[40:13] I want to hear what you want to say now.

Pastor Newms:

[40:15] No I don't know what you finish know cuz I want to see if you get there so now.

Pastor Bill:

[40:20] Don't know where I don't know where I'm going.

Pastor Newms:

[40:22] Exactly continue.

Pastor Bill:

[40:24] Hmm.

Pastor Newms:

[40:34] Jesus name would have had to been to Immanuel because the prophecies but technically that's a title or a nickname or.

Pastor Bill:

[40:43] Don't know if it's a normal Jewish name it's not a title anyway.

Pastor Newms:

[40:50] No I mean the word called could mean multiple things it could be just, someone used the net doesn't have to be named it can that word can be translated multiple ways so there's always been question on that part of the prophecy but that's what I was meaning is the, prophecy itself could mean multiple things not Emanuel not being a name because manual is.

Pastor Bill:

[41:18] It's still a name.

Pastor Newms:

[41:20] In the yeah it's still a name which so is Jesus in the same people group yeah yeah exactly,

where.

Pastor Bill:

[41:41] Have people really started using the name Judas. That's that's up there with naming your kid Hitler. All right so this word Ioesus, this from what I can see and what I've found in study is the pronunciation of the INRI that was written above, Jesus head while he was hanging on the cross and this is where this this first this word is first used, for calling him that and then it, became a normal thing for them to use that name in retrospect because it was illegal to be a Christian and it sounded so very close to saying the son of Zeus in great, and so it was easy to pass off as, oh no we're not talking about that rebellious Trader who had to be put to death we're talking about the son of Zeus,absolutely that's that's absolutely what's going on.

Pastor Newms:

[43:13] It looks like there's at least 100 people walking around in the United States with the name Judas.

Pastor Bill:

[43:19] Wow.

Pastor Newms:

[43:20] In 2020 there was at least 11 people named that according to name data from censuses and things.

Pastor Bill:

[43:29] Wow I mean I'm not saying you have to be a believer but you know and name your kids according to my Christian beliefs but it's pretty Infamous story with an Infamous name like.

Pastor Newms:

[43:44] I think that's why some people use it is it's.

Pastor Bill:

[43:47] Because it's infamous.

Pastor Newms:

[43:48] Yeah supposed to be the smack in the face of. I'm naming my kid this to be anti I would I would think.

Pastor Bill:

[44:01] I just feels like you're setting up your kid to fail like he's gonna have that stigma on him his whole life.

Pastor Newms:

[44:07] And actually the name Adolf has started to be used again.

Pastor Bill:

[44:12] I've never fell out of popularity it was it was.

Pastor Newms:

[44:15] Oh no. Tanked percentage-wise oh yeah and then now it's starting to rise again. Because I mean Hitler is a last name Adolf is the first name they're so anyway not that I'm now Googling random names to see what people.

Pastor Bill:

[44:39] Named their kids.

Pastor Newms:

[44:41] And often it actually is illegal in certain countries to name your kids certain things.

Pastor Bill:

[44:47] Well it's illegal in Texas to name your kids certain things I don't know what the list is but there is a list somewhere all right so we get to the scripture by no other name. Can men be saved and first off we don't actually know the name of God there is a group that will end up knowing the name of God. Those who have been martyred are given a this are taught the secret name of God which is interesting and only only they can learn. I guess it's one of those things like after they say it everyone else forgets like can't remember what they said, we don't know the name of God we know what he called himself in, Hebrew the only time it's ever recorded in the Bible that he told us what his name is as far as what he calls himself Jesus then refers to himself by the same name, I am.

Pastor Newms:

[46:05] Uh-huh.

Pastor Bill:

[46:15] And so there's no other name by what any man can be saved and then we get on the point that you were saying about that word name that can mean Authority that can mean, nickname that can mean title that can mean it's most likely in context and that verse that they're saying Authority by no other authority can man be saved. And so I think that was everything I had for.

Pastor Newms:

[46:48] And that's that's so that I can piggyback right off of that of what I wanted to say.

Pastor Bill:

[46:53] You know I wanted to go geek and then I wanted to bring it forward to Chic and here we are.

Pastor Newms:

[46:59] So that's all you get is just exacerbated.

Pastor Bill:

[47:05] Your turn.

Pastor Newms:

[47:09] Um so, you know often times we have discussed discussions and I've been asked before well what does it matter, you know what does it matter that we had this conversation what does it matter that we don't know and. And that's the whole point is to continue with our growth of, knowledge and trying to dig into things and increasing our. Knowledge of spiritual things is the reason for doing studies like this the other aspect is there are people who, will come against Christians and use examples like this of hey you, you don't even know the name of your God and they're like oh yeah I do because it's here, and then they get hit with some of these things and they're dumbfounded because they've never heard it, or their defensive because they don't believe the speaker lots of situations like that happen because we as a culture, do not always dig in as far as we should into the things that we believe, and it's an understanding that the word name that's used can mean multiple things even something that simple and so, even though we don't know the full name of God we know the name of aspects of God we know certain certain things about God because of the names that are used in the Bible even though they are just nicknames and let's be honest sometimes nicknames are more powerful and more important than regular name's not.

Pastor Bill:

[49:21] Because they bring definition.

Pastor Newms:

[49:23] Not that mine is right.

Pastor Bill:

[49:24] To a character.

Pastor Newms:

[49:26] Cuz my name is not that my parents named me Jonathan and there is nothing wrong with the name Jonathan do not get me wrong I'm not avoiding the name Jonathan.

Pastor Bill:

[49:37] Now let's be clear your name's not Jonathan it's Jonathan you're not Jonathan your.

Pastor Newms:

[49:44] I am not yeah there's no h in my name anyway not in the first part but the, the the aspect of the reason I use my nickname more than my regular name is nothing wrong with my regular name just like there's nothing wrong with, the true name of God but that nicknames that we use are just because that's what's become normal.

Pastor Bill:

[50:10] That's what's become acquainted with our character.

Pastor Newms:

[50:12] People know me as Newms there are people here in Tennessee who completely forgot my regular name and I had to, like when I started reaching out to people they were like who are you, this person oh because there was points of my life that I didn't use my regular name so it doesn't equate the same and so nicknames are not necessarily negative in any way which some people have that connotation well we if we only know the nicknames of God there's something wrong.

Pastor Bill:

[50:44] But nicknames can also imply intimacy right you call someone by a nickname because you have an intimate relationship. Sorry didn't mean to derail you.

Pastor Newms:

[51:05] No that was my whole point was that you yeah my whole point was the fact that that happens nicknames are important.

Pastor Bill:

[51:17] Names are important he's keeping score on the war that were in in the charger Clique man, so yeah so let's go back into that list of nicknames if people have substituted for God, Adonai Elohim Hashem curios Dominus more oh sorry more yo wow Pippi Java.

Pastor Newms:

[51:42] That what I want to know more about that one just throws me off I'm like wait what.

Pastor Bill:

[51:48] It was created about somewhere between the year 500 and 1000 by someone who misunderstood how to pronounce certain Hebrew characters and it just took off from there.

Pastor Newms:

[52:07] Humans are special group of creatures okay continue.

Pastor Bill:

[52:15] Hiya now, there is nothing wrong with using a nickname, when you're talking to God you feel like as an eye or Jehovah or Jesus is the most intimate way for you to connect, with the Divine V divided not a Divine but the Divine the Supreme, Divine is what they refer to him in the original language as when Mary goes to talk to her cousin Martha she didn't say God my God the Lord my God no she says the Divine the Supreme, Divine to indicate that of all of the, Supernatural things we know of this is the one that is the top this is the one that is the most powerful this is the one that is the most wonderful, and she goes on to sing this song about how great the Divine is and all of the great feats the Divine has done in contrast to, I'm just a young girl who's never accomplished anything and yet God saw value. And that is one of those key messages of the whole gospel message is that you, listener viewer whoever all right normal human being and you may have accolades and things that you've accomplished in your life when you boil down to you are just, a bag of bones and juice and electrical impulses, that God looked at and said I see potential. God looks at you he doesn't see the mistakes that you made or your deficiencies or your neuroses or your anxieties he doesn't see those things, he sees the potential of who you could be, without things drying you down without things holding you back without things causing you to be afraid or anxious and that's who God wants you to become, God doesn't look at you and go well I gotta take that thing away because they like it more than me, that's not what God's doing and God doesn't look at that thing and go well I got it I got it you know do this because they're doing wrong know, that looks at Uni goes I see that thing in their life that's do railing them, and causing them not to succeed and I would like to remove that from their life, and then we as humans we get attached to the things that are bad for us. And this is what John was trying to communicate when he said the light came into the world, and he did not come to condemn the world but the world felt condemned, because the light shined on the areas where they already knew, they were hurting and Afraid and anxious and self-sabotaging but as humans we get attached to those things. Jesus came God came to set us free from all those things that are pulling us down, not as an excuse to continue doing the things that pull us down, but so that we literally have a choice to choose to live whole and healthy and move forward or to choose the things that tear us down but ultimately, the idea that sin keeps us from God doesn't exist anymore. What keeps us from moving forward is our faith or are not faith in the idea that God came, as a man in order, to pay the penalty for the slavery that you and I were born into, and when we accept that gift when we receive that gift of what Jesus did that's what we know as salvation. It's not this idea of become perfect and throw away all of your old things and yada yada yada yada yada it's not that it's this idea of yeah, I believe that you loved me enough that you came and lived this crappy life like I did, so you can understand what I'm going through, you gave yourself over to pay the price for what Adam and Eve did that I was then born into all I have to do is believe, to receive that, now it's awesome magic switch where things are going to get better as a matter of fact the bible promises that when you side with God when you side with freedom, the things are going to get harder because the world and the things in the world are going to want to either draw you back in or fight you tooth and nail. But that is internal peace, and that ability to say no and not have this addiction troubling you and that thing pulling you down and this thing pulling you down and once again not a magic pill. But the wholeness and the prosperity remember we talked about Prosperity is not money money is one of the things that you can prosper in, but when you talk about Prosperity we're talking about wholeness health happiness joy peace patience all these things that make life, rich and livable and enjoyable this is prosperity not physical things. These are salvation, if you'd like to know more about that go to our website www.ekk.house I have a little thing at the top that says responding to God's love click there I got five videos for you where I lay it all out, how the God that the Bible talks about the God that I serve the God that loves us how to respond to that, how do we know that how do we know God loves us and then what to do after that, and if you need to talk about it more you can email me pastorbill@ekk.house or you can come hang out with us when we do Gaming With The Pastors only to go follow Pastor Newms on Twitch, and once again you can always join us on Sunday evenings 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at Seven wherever you get podcasts and so I just, we love you guys and I want you to have a safe week out there.

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:00] No I say be safe you guys be safe out there.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 16 of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. This is our first episode of the new year and so Happy New Year everybody, and now Newms is going to get mad at me because I said e’rybody just like he does when I say bidness. It's just how the words come out sometimes there it is so he's so annoyed with me. So, I was supposed to be in Tennessee this weekend but I'm not it's just sad.

Pastor Newms:

[0:41] Yeah it was supposed to be a surprise for you and sadly your littlest got very sick and you are not here.

Pastor Bill:

[0:55] Not very sick, but too sick to ride in a car for 12 hours and then spend the weekend at a stranger's house so.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04] There's sick and then there's - inside a stranger's house… it is a strange house is the correct way to say that. Um second off it was sick enough so that is very sick, because it just been a light fever just been a you know a call for something small like a little sick it would have, not been a problem but he was very sick because he was unable to come.

Pastor Bill:

[1:34] So I want to just.

Pastor Newms:

[1:36] Lied to me and you don't love me.

Pastor Bill:

[1:38] Strangers comment because Zaydiee is coming at me.

Pastor Newms:

[1:41] Called my house a stranger's house.

Pastor Bill:

[1:44] In Discord as well about calling you guys strangers as far as Finnick is concerned you only exist on a screen. To him you are in physical presence strange.

Pastor Newms:

[2:07] Yes but you did not specify so it made it seem like you were saying overall which we are not. Because your horse my feet.

Pastor Bill:

[2:19] Well he knows you Zaydiee doesn't get on the camera and say hello enough.

Pastor Newms:

[2:26] Zaydiee doesn’t get on any camera.

Pastor Bill:

[2:26] That’s neither here nor there.

Pastor Newms:

[2:31] Zaydiee doesn't get on the camera for our family bible study on Saturday he's like she still sits in a different room with the camera off she ain't getting on the camera you got on your mind.

Pastor Bill:

[2:41] I am sometimes out of my mind all.

Pastor Newms:

[2:43] You are lucky there's even a picture on our website of her.

Pastor Bill:

[2:47] Hmm right all right so, how was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:

[2:56] My week was pretty good other than the fact that my best friend did not come in. Yeah because I got a text message from Grandma Gloria who is watching with Grandpa Biggs with with big G of G and. Then it was about the Jars of Clay thing so I knew it was semi-important in see now you have to bring it up because I ruined it just like I said I would.

Pastor Bill:

[3:31] It was it was germane to what we were saying what we were talking about earlier.

Pastor Newms:

[3:37] It was germane to what we were saying so we was good other than the fact that you know you didn't come in and it's funny because last week I made a joke about forgetting what day your birthday was on which I'm bad with days anyway so it didn't, you were like no it's not the second I was like know your birthday is the second because we were supposed to be here and we were going to celebrate it here tonight so. So it was good mister groggy came over, who's one of our Twitch friends he was excited to see you and was sad you weren't able to come because he wanted to meet you in real life as well, but he still came over and spent the weekend he left early tonight so he is not joining us in the house as he normally does when he comes over for the weekend and leave after because we are getting storms tonight, um and it went from 50 degrees when we left the house this morning, to under 40 when we were coming back at 3 p.m. and continuing to drop more and more as it got darker so there's a chance of snow tonight even, and so. He left a little early in his car because his car is not exactly a snowmobile.

Pastor Bill:

[5:08] A snowmobile.

Pastor Newms:

[5:10] Icy roads in a Corvette or is probably really really really bad idea so, yeah so he left a little early we sent him home with dinner so he could still be with, with us in thought for dinner and hanging out so, and Biggs asks on Twitch his screen froze for a moment the fact that they missed what we said how is little man doing.

Pastor Bill:

[5:50] Well that would be part of my week wouldn't it.

Pastor Newms:

[5:53] Yes how is your week Pastor Bill.

Pastor Bill:

[5:54] So he started off pretty strong and then my wife was like surprise for your 40th birthday I arranged a trip to Tennessee to go see your best friend to which I then cried like a baby, um which is okay that's fine, that's fine that all my hopes and dreams were dashed and I didn't get to get my birthday surprise and now I probably won't get anything for my birthday because. Whatever so yeah other than that that week was pretty good, like we said Finnick woke up in the middle of the night on Thursday night, coffin and gasping for air like, kinda like an asthma attack, sounded more like a seal sort of you know and so we've narrowed it down to two croup, usually three to five days of intense coughing and trying to get your air and thanks Biggs Biggs on Church says it's not all about you Pastor Bill.

Pastor Newms:

[7:06] One thing we can say about Biggs is he is not.

Pastor Bill:

[7:14] He's not shy about telling it like it is. So yeah and then so Thursday I took the cat, to the border the only boarding in our area that will take cats that haven't been neutered which is about a 50-minute drive away from my house, and on the way there, I had that little more you know like I listen all week for what are we supposed to talk about this Sunday what are we supposed to talk about this Sunday and on the way to drop the cat off I felt like, like the Holy Spirit was saying that the topic of Sunday was going to be You Can't Always Get What You Want. And I was like well that'll be a weird one to talk about in Tennessee with with Newms and and possibly Biggs in there and maybe Groggy be in there that would be fun. Yeah so you can't always get what you want is that's our topic tonight.

Pastor Newms:

[8:24] Yes yes it is.

Pastor Bill:

[8:27] And we tried and still didn't happen so so yeah, so there you go so that's what our topic is Tonight You Can't Always Get What You Want, and I was like um how are we gonna make that scriptural bigs on Twitch does that would be a good song I would be a good song with see how would that go let's see hmm sometime about being at a reception and seeing a woman with a, a wine glass in her hand he got to mention Footloose because Footloose is timeless, anyway well Workshop that later biggest we'll figure that out. Newms is glaring at me because earlier he said how many of the lyrics of the song you going to try to sneak in I said me. I didn't sneak the lyrics in I mentioned some of the lyrics like in.

Pastor Newms:

[9:38] Mmm I see yeah mmm.

Pastor Bill:

[9:50] That is our topic for tonight starting off the new year, every time every time I look away from the camera.

Pastor Newms:

[10:05] Well it's straight froze so it was probably the hiccup that did it, the the scripture on the bump Biggs was James for one through to but we haven't quite gotten there yet.

Pastor Bill:

[10:30] I got you Biggs I got you we're going to look at James Chapter 4 verses 1 through 3 we're going to be looking in John, chapter 3 verses 16 through 17 La people try to leave out verse 17, when we're going to be there we're going to be in second see I looked away again I move my arm in front of the camera and it went off again, 2nd Peter 3:9.

Pastor Newms:

[11:02] I don't understand why yours is doing that.

Pastor Bill:

[11:07] First Timothy Chapter 2 verses 3 through 4.

Pastor Newms:

[11:15] Is that only happening in teams or is it also happening when you are in Discord I don't think it happens when we're on Disco.

Pastor Bill:

[11:20] Only happens in teams if I put.

Pastor Newms:

[11:22] So it's a team's issue.

Pastor Bill:

[11:23] Yeah if a putting anything over teams or I turn my face away from the camera momentarily or. Any of those things then teams turns off my camera like that. If I turn my head away or block my face or. Click on another program other than teams as my main part like if I want to type into Discord, you know that it cuts off my camera and nothing else says that when work when we you and I are on Discord it just works I don't have to look at it I don't have to, anything. Okay so that first verse there was James Chapter 4 verses 1 through 3, and like Newms will send in the scripture bump was James chapter 1 through 2 a so the first little statement of verse 2 it says what is the source of wars and fights among you, don't they come from your passion that wages War within you you desire and do not have, that was the scripture bump and it goes on you murder and covet and cannot obtain you fight and wage war you do not have because you do not ask, you ask and do not receive because you ask with the wrong motives so that you may spend it on your pleasures. Right so you know Jesus said whatever you ask in my name. You know I'm going to go to the father and I'll I'll get you I got your back I get you covered that kind of a thing and then James is like yeah yeah he said that, but you're asking with the wrong motives you're not asking within the will of God you've got these selfish motives for these things that, you're going to use to hurt yourself with and that's why those prayers aren't being answered. Because, you irresponsible you asking irresponsibly so this is our this is our Pepe message for the beginning of the new year you can't always have what you get Always Get What You Want, can't so you need to lower your standards or, because you're not going to get what you want, and that's okay because when you covet and fight and wage all these wars with people outside of you. Because all these problems and then I know it's hard to tell in the English but their James in verse two switches the focus of the tone of what the words he's using, um you murdering coven cannot obtain then he switches focus and he says you fight and wage war that whole statement is used with terms that refer to the, you fight yourself and you wage war against yourself, because you want things that are bad for you you want things that will hurt you, can't get the things that you want and that's not always a bad thing. If you do not get those things that you want sometimes that's a good thing, because you don't know his want the things that is good for you now, you're going to be mad at me but we're going to we're going to go a Direction that's going to upset you but that's okay. Nobody can get what they want ever not fully Jesus didn't get what he wanted. And God ultimately we'll never get the fullness of what he wants nobody gets what they want. Okay so.

Pastor Newms:

[16:12] Because it's God's desire for us all to follow it's God's desire to have a relationship with all of humanity.

Pastor Bill:

[16:19] 2nd Peter 3:9.

Pastor Newms:

[16:20] Heart is broken by the fact that it doesn't happen.

Pastor Bill:

[16:25] The Lord does not delay his promise as some understand delay but is patient with you not wanting any to perish but all, to come to repentance that's God's will, God wants everyone to come to repentance and do not perish and I know that word repentance is severely misunderstood in today's culture, repentance doesn't mean, you admit that you're doing something wrong and that the way you see life is wrong and that somebody knows how to live life better than you that's not what this word means this word means, turn. Turn right so basically what it means is in your life you look forward and you go you know what if I keep doing this, that's call me bad for me it's had bad results in the past. And it's brought me nothing but pain and suffering and you turn that's repentance you know it's kind of this whole new year's resolution thing that people do where they go you know what I'm gonna drink more water.

Pastor Newms:

[17:42] You started that before New Year's.

Pastor Bill:

[17:44] Yeah cuz I saw this bottle on at Target and it has the times of the day on it and I was like nice that'll help remind me to make sure that I'm drinking.

Pastor Newms:

[17:55] I'm just saying that's not necessarily a resolution for you because you had anyway.

Pastor Bill:

[18:03] To make the resolution leading up to before the day of otherwise you're just sitting there on January first go and I'm gonna eat chocolate.

Pastor Newms:

[18:21] That's how everyone handles there their resolutions is that the last moment they look at themselves and go roof what's wrong with me and then figure it out.

Pastor Bill:

[18:31] That's what I'm saying I didn't I a week ahead at least a week I was like yeah I drink a lot of dr. pepper that's your problem.

Pastor Newms:

[18:41] Hmm who else is said that a bunch that you drink too much Dr Pepper.

Pastor Bill:

[18:46] My best friend my wife my mother my chiropractor yeah I don't really talk to anybody else.

Pastor Newms:

[18:57] And yet they all said the same thing it's odd that that happened like an even even in my ginger ale that I drink I don't drink straight ginger ale, I drink water down ginger ale even.

Pastor Bill:

[19:15] All right so.

Pastor Newms:

[19:18] Don't know why I'm leaning so far down tonight I much farther down than normal.

Pastor Bill:

[19:22] We skipped John 3:16 and 17 because Newms jumped into agree, what I was saying and that's fine but I'm going to read it now, because we skipped it for God loved the world in this way he gave his one and only son so that everyone believes who would, so that everyone who believes in him, will not perish but have eternal life for God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through him, and this idea of perish but have eternal life, this word parish is as idea of Eternal death or what some have called Eternal separation from God, is this idea of Parish that. Is communicated there in John 3:16 and the reason that you know, for God did not send his son of the world, um taking dim the world there was he didn't send Jesus to die, in order to condemn the world He sent Jesus to die because Adam, and Eve and the serpent had this whole interaction where they condemned the world and God, started this plan to do everything in his power to make it right. Well why couldn't God just snap his fingers and just make it right if he's the oh mighty powerful that okay, you know that would make God a liar because God made certain say made certain statements at the beginning that were pretty binding, and even more when we look at First Timothy Chapter 2 verses 3 through 4 it says, this is good and it pleases God our savior who wants everyone to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth and if you want to know what is good that Paul is talking about there to Timothy then you can go read the couple of verses before that in your own time, I'm not trying to steer you away from something and start a scripture on a you know an open end like that, you should go read that on your own because it's a good thing you should read all right so God, wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth and we know, from Revelation chapter 20 that don't happen.

Pastor Newms:

[22:34] Sadly yes.

Pastor Bill:

[22:35] So if even the god of the universe who created everything. Said I everything in motion can't get what he wants. Why should we expect to get everything we. And so going into 2022 almost at 20, killing in the 2022 I want you to just remember that this is this can be the year. That you choose not to be a petulant child. And recognize it's okay to not get what you want it's okay. To find a way around that and live your life with joy in spite, other fact that you can't get what you want and if you really try sometimes. You might find you're still not going to get what you want. Cheerleader I almost said the whole line from that song but I didn't. So do you think Pastor names you have anything to add. He stares content content can contemplative lie at the.

Pastor Newms:

[24:23] Nope that's cantankerous lie.

Pastor Bill:

[24:25] With a with a hint of disdain on his breath as he.

Pastor Newms:

[24:31] There's no hint there is straight disdain for you quoting the song, now we've all done it I mean it happens the song has been in my head since you type the stupid title to me and I've just been going hmm.

Pastor Bill:

[24:47] Can't Always Get What You Want.

Pastor Newms:

[24:51] Be careful copyrighted music.

Pastor Bill:

[24:52] That's the status almost thing is that one line there.

Pastor Newms:

[24:55] So but yeah that I mean it's it's a fact, what I love is when people try to twist some scriptures to say otherwise you know when you twist scriptures.

Pastor Bill:

[25:16] I looked away from the camera.

Pastor Newms:

[25:18] Yeah you did when you and I I looked up and there's no the the actual like answers that people have said for this issue, is to delete and reinstall teams, later today we should delete and reinstall teams it's a it's a driver it's a reading your camera driver wrong issue which makes no logical sense.

Pastor Bill:

[25:48] It won't even let me turn my camera back on now.

Pastor Newms:

[25:51] So it always irritated me when people try to twist scripture with irritates me with anytime people to scripture but when people try to Trish scripture to say you know, we do it, excuse me if you pray in this way or do these things then God will give you exactly what you want or you know if you lean into God hard enough to where all of your, wants and desires line up perfectly with his will and plan then you'll always get what you want, and it's like okay first off we're humans so we're always going to, like want. When we're not supposed to I don't care how how far you've leaned in sinasohn that's why it's it's listed, a form of wanting is listed in the in the 10 because you can want but then once you want too much it's bad. And you know as. We stated you know his desire his perfect will is that everyone comes to Christ and we sadly no it's not going to happen so. Thinking that if you line up your your wants directly to the will correctly and then they're like well not necessarily his will but but his plan and it's like okay you're jumping through too many Hoops it's just the. You know if you don't get what you pray for there's a reason. That reason might not be even because God said no there is just a reason so. You know lean in move on sadly we don't always get what we want we sometimes get what is best for us we sometimes don't. I've tried the whole night not to say it but I can't not say it because the Bible plainly says that and. I have tried so hard not to because it's such an annoying song. Is your camera still not letting.

Pastor Bill:

[28:45] Yeah it won't even let me turn it back on.

Pastor Newms:

[28:49] That is hilarious that's fine your PB that works.

Pastor Bill:

[28:52] I'm PB.

Pastor Newms:

[28:55] And the funny thing is is lights up when you talk so it's it's you know just as if they can hear your mouth moving it's just womp womp. But I mean that that's something that sadly we always have to look at and you know it is the root of a lot of, issues and a lot of people can't understand, you know I prayed for it I did everything that was right I did you know why don't I get, what I've asked for why don't I get what I what I want or what I need or feel like I need, you know things like that and it's like well there's a whole Litany of reasons like there is a big list you know God could have told you to wait God could have told you know because it's not, you know it might negatively affect something else God could have told you know because you know God could have told you yes and it's coming but, you got to wait awhile because of other factors I mean there's so many things that can happen but so many people are like well I prayed for it so it has to happen, I mean no so I mean it's always something that has always be weary when someone says you know, if you do this goggle answer your prayers it's like.

Pastor Bill:

[30:30] When you boil guide down to a formula it's no longer prayer it's now a form of witchcraft. But I mean you know what I'm saying like.

Pastor Newms:

[30:47] Yeah when you when you try to manipulate. The will let me if you try to manipulate the rules like you know there are people that when you take, certain scriptures out of context like the Prosperity Gospel where you preach you know if you tithe if you give if you if you if you break your neck, for the church then God will reward you, and he will prosper you 100% because this scripture that says that God will press it down and it'll be overflowing so if you give to me God will give back to you and you're like. And sadly because misrepresentation of Scripture A lot of people buy into that and a lot of people have sent their last money into people who are lying to them.

Pastor Bill:

[31:41] Now, you're you're relying heavily on an implication and what you're saying but not actually saying it assuming people are making the connection that, you're specifically talking about dollars and cents as the implied reward.

Pastor Newms:

[31:59] Yes yes yes.

Pastor Bill:

[32:01] And that's not how the Bible works the Bible does say God wants to prosper you and you know press down shaken together overflowing but Prosperity does not mean, exclusively dollars and cents which we've talked about in the past is wide array of what what constitutes as prosper, and it's when you boil the word Prosper down to mean dollars and cents that's when you've twisted the scripture and when you've gone outside of what the actual message there is. So I knew what you were saying but I wanted to make sure that everyone listening or watching you know.

Pastor Newms:

[32:51] Good job.

Pastor Bill:

[32:54] Understood the dynamic of what you were actually saying.

Pastor Newms:

[32:57] No it's that's that's valid but that that is always something that has ticked me off is people who have taken advantage of those types of scriptures and some of them who have gone even the step further making them self rich, in preaching those gospels not that we would ever name names or point fingers but you all know who I'm talking about.

Pastor Bill:

[33:21] A worker is worth his wage sure I'll give you that but I agree, if you're making that wage, on telling the little old ladies in Pasadena that if they send you their grocery money instead of by themselves food that God will take away all of their back pain forever and they'll never have to worry about money again now God may do that, God has done miraculous things but for you to say, he's going to do that because you send me money you either a better, just heard God say that in your ear or be you're a thief.

Pastor Newms:

[34:10] Yeah and and it's one of those things where, you know there are good and bad everywhere sadly and humans have issues and I'm not saying everyone who preaches the Prosperity Gospel is bad but there are some who have taken advantage of it.

Pastor Bill:

[34:30] What is it's a slippery slope and you it's just like anything it's like Paul okay let's talk about politics it's just like politics nobody becomes, nobody gets into public service as a politician because they think, I'm going to be a baller and make lots of money and screw over the little guy that's not what anybody.

Pastor Newms:

[34:53] I won't say nobody I won't say that I think there are some people who do.

Pastor Bill:

[34:57] Maybe there are some people who do the majority of people don't but then a year 10 years 15 years in, that's pretty much what 99% of public servants you know politicians how they're living their lives, um And it's it you know it's a slippery slope it always is power corrupts money corrupts attention kurup's it's just it's human nature to give in to these things that,want but you can't always get what you want and when you do you end up hurting people and that's, not good we should never think yeah I'm gonna hurt people I'm going to screw people over because it's what I want, I want it so I'm going to take it and it does it hurt people sure don't do that.

Pastor Newms:

[36:04] No

Pastor Bill:

[36:05] Don't be that guy or that gal.

Pastor Newms:

[36:07] In 1999 might be too high that's 85.

Pastor Bill:

[36:21] That takes money from a lobbyist or takes a steak dinner from a lobbyist period has become corrupted and needs to not be in politics any longer.

Pastor Newms:

[36:36] What will the problem is is. You implied you implied Federal level but you didn't say Federal level.

Pastor Bill:

[36:47] You're right I implied Federal level.

Pastor Newms:

[36:49] And so that's why I would have to argue with you is because of that implication.

Pastor Bill:

[36:53] No you're right I applied but didn't State just like earlier you did with your thing I did the same thing you did.

Pastor Newms:

[37:12] Yeah there's a lot in politics but we won't discuss most of it so anywho because that's not the type of podcast we are that's a different podcast goal is.

Pastor Bill:

[37:23] I'm going to I'm going to make a personal statement that has nothing to do with the equation house that is political I think lobbyists need to become an illegal thing, we don't need lobbyists anymore and the day and age when, little company ABC Pest Control in California couldn't, be seen by their Senator without a lobbyist absolutely we needed lobbyists and the day and age when the internet is literally in everyone's pocket, lobbyists are just corruption that's my personal statement. That's all I have to say about that alright we're nine minutes away from the end of this episode did you have anything else you wanted to add to tonight's episode.

Pastor Newms:

[38:13] No I don't I don't have anything else.

Pastor Bill:

[38:18] All right so everybody enjoy the rest of your Christmas season remember it's a 12-day season that started on December 25th ends on January 5th and then we've got Epiphany coming up.

Pastor Newms:

[38:30] Wait I thought it was the 6th.

Pastor Bill:

[38:33] January 6 is Epiphany but that is the 13th day.

Pastor Newms:

[38:38] I thought it was the 12th okay my bad.

Pastor Bill:

[38:42] So just simmer 25th through January 5th is 12 days, and then January 6 is Epiphany so you guys enjoy your week have a great epiphany, we will be meeting next Sunday on January 9th which is my actual birthday I'll be turning 40 years old at 5:32 p.m.

Pastor Newms:

[39:11] Biggs I am not happy with what you just said on Twitch I have the card in front of me and I was really hoping we were going to get to blow past it this week but you said something and that is mean.

Pastor Bill:

[39:25] My New Year's gift to Pastor newms we're gonna skip that bit tonight so, we are live with this podcast every Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time you can join us on Twitch YouTube Facebook she hit the live experience, and as you have you heard tonight when people type into the chat it shows up live for us and we can respond and you can be a part of the conversation, it's good time a good time lots of fun time and we enjoy it a whole lot this podcast comes out anywhere that you get podcasts on Wednesday nights at 7:00, p.m. Central Standard Time and so you can go and listen to it there is a transcription available and if you if you like reading Trend I can't stand the transcription it drives me batty trying to read it and make sense of it when I'm just trying to edit it edit it to format it to where it's a readable format and then I catch these little errors from here to here where things like, instead of Pastor Newms it says Pastor Gnomes g-n-o-m-e-s is what it thinks Pastor Newms is name is sometimes which is hilarious, but we have a.

Pastor Newms:

[40:44] It doesn't like my name.

Pastor Bill:

[40:45] We have transcription so if you have someone that is hearing impaired that you think would enjoy the message that we bring than that transcription is available at ekk.house you go over the podcast and there's the transcription is right there with it the transcription also goes out as the info to Apple podcasts and on our host pod Bean anywhere that carries that description that has the full description available then that is you can find the, transcription of the podcast there so we love you guys I hope you have a great 2022 we will be back, next Sunday so you guys have a great week.

Pastor Newms:

[41:36] Be safe out there y'all.

Pastor Bill:

[41:38] He probably just he gets outside trying pauses every time it's.

Pastor Newms:

[41:42] I do I do I'm not going to okay so the question for the week.

Pastor Bill:

[41:45] I don't know why I'm pointing at the camera no what are you doing we weren't going to do it.

Pastor Newms:

[41:48] Is I already pulled it we have to go over it at least.

Pastor Bill:

[41:51] Oh my goodness.

Pastor Newms:

[41:53] If you had to rearrange the letters of your first name and give yourself a new name what would your new name be.

Pastor Bill:

[42:00] If you rearrange the letters of my first name.

Pastor Newms:

[42:03] This question is terrible I'm glad we skipped it all right you guys have a great night out there in the world.

Pastor Bill:

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Pastor Bill

[0:02] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 59, of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I am joined by my co-host, Pastor Newms, who's feeling a little under the weather this evening. His body is fighting something off. Thank goodness for immune systems to fight things off.

Pastor Newms:

[0:31] Oh no I know exactly what it was, I overate and so it made it gave me an upset tummy that's it just ate way too much food.

Pastor Bill:

[0:40] I was you're not sick - sick you just you made yourself sick okay so you were talking about it having eaten too much but I was under the impression you are already feeling bad when you then made the bad decision to overeat but you're saying it's 100% all your fault.

Pastor Newms:

[0:56] Hundred percent all my fault.

Pastor Bill:

[1:00] That's hilarious all right well there's that we've got. We got Biggs joining us in our Ekklesian House Discord server tonight instead of on Twitch. So that's fun and then we've got Phoenix is here on Twitch why are you making a face Newms did you not know he was on the Discord server. When I was out doing other things okay wow. So we record this episode these episodes live every Sunday at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time and if you're hearing this where you've come across this video on one of the platforms that we share the video to we like to invite you to come join us live, you can see us going live on, on Twitch on YouTube and then you can through the power of typing chatroom technology, join us live if you have something to say you want to disagree with us or you want to agree with us or you want to add something to the conversation, you are more than welcome to do that you don't have, you can't just simply show up and say hey I'm here live and offer moral support we have people that do that that just show up. To show you no moral support that they're here, which is perfectly fine or you could do what Biggs does and judge us harshly and throw up random things like just a second ago he typed in scalloped potatoes. He's probably responding to newms is talking about overeating but. But because of there's a delay between what is actually happening live in our conversation and then by the time it gets to you and then you type it in and it comes back to us there's this little lag you know so we do sometimes it can feel a little random when people post things we got Zaydiee joining us on Twitch he's one of our regulars that joins us, we're glad that Zaydiee's here's that he's also on our Board of Directors for the church that's, fun and Newms on the board and I'm on the board and my wife is on the board and you know what if you want to know who else is on the board you can go to ekk.house/team and there's some lovely pictures of us up there that were some of them taken in 2007 one of them will is set to be taken in 2067 I think is, when that picture is said to be taking us to one of Pastor Newms I had forgotten that I had left that picture up there until last week when we were talking about. Um but it is quite hilarious she should go see old news it looks like, he looks like his dad got really old that's what the picture looks like. And I know you don't know what is that looks like but I did I know what is that looks like and it looks like a very old and tired.

Pastor Newms:

[4:27] Yep it's cuz that's why we call him Biggs is because he's just a bigger version of me because I wasn't going to be called Smalls that's.

Pastor Bill:

[4:37] You are going to Cali you're killing me Smalls you'd have to put up with that your whole life your whole life we have to put up with you killing me Smalls.

Pastor Newms:

[4:44] And I hate that movie.

Pastor Bill:

[4:47] All right so other than overeating today how was your week pass.

Pastor Newms:

[4:55] Oh she was good um, it was good I let's see I had a short week at work we've course had Christmas Christmas was good we spent a bunch of time over at, Biggs and Grandma glorious house and hung out there both Friday and Saturday so that was good, Phoenix is still over there which is why they're on the big TV there, and my we had a birthday party today for one of the kids friends down the street and that was good and, Sean other than waking up to a.m.

Pastor Bill:

[5:57] My week was. Um and really got nothing accomplished had Christmas at my mom's and Christmas at my wife's moms and Christmas at my grandmother's and Christmas here and, yeah so it was it was a getting going and getting going and getting going kind of week, and you know since I cut off, our beginning conversation in the very beginning of the conversation when that music is playing for those of you on the podcast I got the one thing that I asked for, um for Christmas from my mother it's a it's a Nintendo Game and Watch The Legends of Zelda, one they had released a Super Mario one for the anniversary you know and I was like I wish I didn't really want that and then they announced they were gonna come out with a Legend of Zelda 1 and I was like okay I'm going to ask for that, and so I told my mother I want this and I sent her a picture and a link on his through all this stuff and then she took the picture and went into some store and said my son said he wants this and showed the look picture, I'm like I think you a link where you could order it everything that's fine whatever method you want to use is fine.

Pastor Newms:

[7:24] Hey it works.

Pastor Bill:

[7:26] It works it works so yeah so pretty good week just you know busy busy busy, and Gerg had school on Monday and Tuesday but then Wednesday started his Christmas break so I have not had to get up first thing in the morning you know at 6:30 I do some people don't think that sounds early, but for my body that has become early I don't have to get up at 6:30 in the morning every morning to take him to school until, the day after my birthday the day after my birthday I'll have to start getting up again so yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[8:02] Hmm your birthday is coming up.

Pastor Bill:

[8:04] My birthday is coming up and it's going to be on a Sunday.

Pastor Newms:

[8:08] And you're 49 and a half right.

Pastor Bill:

[8:12] I am turning 40.

Pastor Newms:

[8:13] Oh so old so.

Pastor Bill:

[8:18] 40th birthday.

Pastor Newms:

[8:19] So old.

Pastor Bill:

[8:21] It's a milestone.

Pastor Newms:

[8:22] Old.

Pastor Bill:

[8:24] I'm already old.

Pastor Newms:

[8:26] That's the new goal for tonight guys we're going to see how many times Pastor newms can say the word old in different ways without Pastor Bill yelling at him so here we go.

Pastor Bill:

[8:40] That's funny I'm not old you're old all right so that's our weeks were tonight we're going to be talking we are going to do the you know to get another Pastor so don't worry.

Pastor Newms:

[8:54] I was terrified.

Pastor Bill:

[8:57] But tonight you know we've had Christmas and we're currently in a tent, don't get shocked I know a lot of you use that events countdown to the beginning of Christmas you got your Advent calendars and you pull out your candy or your, Star Wars toys or your I saw a borg Collective one that was a big Cube that you know panels open up that was pretty cool, there's used to countdown to the start of Christmas but that's not actually what Advent is, so will you know we'll talk a little bit about that tonight but today is the second day of Advent happy second day of Christmas to you sir whereas yesterday was the first day of Christmas the 25th, of December and then there are, Twelve Days of Christmas that lead all the way up to January 5th and then on January 6th is The Epiphany or in some countries they call it Three Kings Day, also to those are of our viewers in Canada though you may be few happy Boxing Day, just wanted to get that in there so I don't know what it means but I know supposed to say that.

Pastor Newms:

[10:14] So boxing day is actually a day that the masters of the houses would give to the servants in a wooden box there, kind of Christmas present it would be something they would use throughout the year, but it would come in a wooden box and then they actually would give the bakbox back to the Master of the House so it's actually to give servants gifts as opposed to family and friends.

Pastor Bill:

[10:52] But they don't get to keep the Box.

Pastor Newms:

[10:54] They don't keep the Box the box is reused over and.

Pastor Bill:

[10:57] What kind of thing do you put in the box like.

Pastor Newms:

[10:59] So

Pastor Bill:

[11:01] Floors here's a scrub brush.

Pastor Newms:

[11:03] You're a maid here's a spool of, fabric so you can make yourself a new dress here's a, you know things like that one of the guys on Tik Tok. Said something you know he he pretends to be an old person like old and a person and he opened his box and it was a handkerchief because he always wears a handkerchief so it's something they can use but it's not like. Gifty it's something they can use not just a thing so it kind of would depend on your job and how close you were to the, person giving it to you as far as employment goes and that's their second day of.

Pastor Bill:

[11:58] And this is all countries.

Pastor Newms:

[11:59] Three day Christmas.

Pastor Bill:

[12:01] Recognize the queen still as their Queen right I'm sorry all of you Queen followers I don't understand, doesn't make sense to my brain why this is something that you celebrate.

Pastor Newms:

[12:19] Nowadays it's just a shopping day. It was actually for servants not slaves but I mean potato potahto and.

Pastor Bill:

[12:29] Potato potahto at this point yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[12:31] The yeah things like socks.

Pastor Bill:

[12:38] No bigs you never give your house elf socks.

Pastor Newms:

[12:42] No not house-elves.

Pastor Bill:

[12:43] Or any kind of clothing they will leave they will be free we'll run away.

Pastor Newms:

[12:46] No no this isn't this isn't the way.

Pastor Bill:

[12:52] That's not the same thing.

Pastor Newms:

[12:54] No no they don't get they don't get presents on boxing day.

Pastor Bill:

[12:59] House-elves don't think it Boxing Day.

Pastor Newms:

[13:00] They don't they don't get but they don't even they don't even get boxing.

Pastor Bill:

[13:04] I bet they do I bet they get boxing day that our Master puts on some boxing gloves in his life.

Pastor Newms:

[13:09] Okay tired now.

Pastor Bill:

[13:13] Use some boxing day all right time for Getting To Know The Pastors. What do you value most in your friends. I say it all the time I value making me a better husband a better father and a better Christian. If you don't fit this category then I don't have time for you that's why I value my friends what news values in his friends, is thick skin and preferably a rotund this image.

Pastor Newms:

[14:11] No that's just the requirement for my closest friends outside of the main group of friends you can you can be skinny but the I don't know why but both my best friends are rotund.

Pastor Bill:

[14:26] Quite rotund.

Pastor Newms:

[14:27] Bill says so.

Pastor Bill:

[14:31] And getting Rotunda. Pretenders not aware don't think.

Pastor Newms:

[14:41] I don't think it is but that's okay.

Pastor Bill:

[14:44] So you're going to answer the question.

Pastor Newms:

[14:46] I mean just.

Pastor Bill:

[14:54] When your love language is hate you have to.

Pastor Newms:

[14:57] I'm not arguing with yours I'm not arguing with yours first, not denying those I think it's really different with every one of my relationships as to what I value that person for each of my relationships are, so I can't give really I know with almost everything in every week that's my answer is I don't have a concrete answer.

Pastor Bill:

[15:30] I don't have an answer for this one I don't have an answer for this one.

Pastor Newms:

[15:32] But that's that's that's how it is today.

Pastor Bill:

[15:40] All right so. Christmas Day Has Come and gone. And people that spam our twitch get banned.

Pastor Newms:

[15:52] Make me sit up.

Pastor Bill:

[15:55] And yeah how dare they make you sit up and do something you're supposed to be able to sit back and talk you did all your work setting up all this computer stuff so we could go live.

Pastor Newms:

[16:08] Ridiculous.

Pastor Bill:

[16:09] So ridiculous all right, so the first day of Christmas has come and gone is really what we should say and you know the song that on the first day of Christmas and the 12 Days of Christmas these be this is this is what this is talking about, there are 12 Days of Christmas and, it's also known as Advent it's the time where we're counting down to the epiphany of Christ to the secular world, when we go and we read in Luke to wear, the shepherds are in the field and the angels appear to them and they say don't be afraid because you know if you've read the book of Ezekiel then you know why angels have to say don't be afraid because, either they've got multiple faces some of which are an eagle a lion and a human face or they're this wheel in a wheel with Bunches of eyes and multiple sets of wings that have eyes all over them, so yeah of course angels have to say Don't Be Afraid when they show up because that's some freaky stuff right there. So they show up and they tell him don't be afraid we bring Glad Tidings of great joy, for among you is born yada yada yada now forgive me. My skepticism on what the Angels said but some of the vernacular, that we attributed to the angels in the account and the gospel accounts, are very Christianized language that. Jewish Shepherds in a field probably wouldn't have understood and I'm not saying, that we've changed the meaning of what the angel said but I believe we've changed the language there, to fit what we understand the concepts of what they said not specifically what the angel said but that's neither here nor there, I tell the shepherd's to Shepherds to get up the shepherd's they go and they find Mary Joseph the baby Jesus, lying in a manger and there's been debate over the years on this hole, in issue it's most likely that they weren't actually talking about, an inn like a motel or like roadside you know holiday and they weren't talking about the kind of thing they were talking more likely talking about, they went and needed to stay with family for this whole census thing to prepare for taxation. And there was no more room in any of those families ins in that the part of the home where they would sleep so they had to go down, either, out into the courtyard where they had hewn a manger out of rock that kind of a caved sort of setup or, it was a two-story dwelling where the in would be upstairs and the manger would be actually downstairs in the downstairs portion of the house. And we don't know which it was to where they out you know in the cave out in the courtyard where they downstairs in the house we really don't know what we do know for sure, is this whole idea of renting a room and an in setup like Holiday Inn Motel 6 that's not how things were ran back then, you could go get a room above someone else's home or above a bar or things like this but they weren't really known as ends and they weren't really, the kind of place you would take a pregnant woman especially not in the ghetto which is you know not what Bethlehem is, that's what Nazareth was. And so that's where they came from and you when you come from the ghetto you don't exactly think oh the place above the bar there must be clean and safe. Because not where they just came from that wouldn't be, clean and safe so anyway so there's that and that, is the revealing of Christ, to the Jews that have it. And then. We actually have to fast forward some time there to get to the wise men, the Magi which is a Hebrew word that was applied to Zoroastrians, these are Zoroastrian people who followed the religion of Zoroastrianism, Zoroastrianism started by Zoroaster. These are the people that the the men of the time would call Magi that was a word that was, adopt you know given to the, Zoroastrianism so these These are OSU and show up and according to the prophecies in Isaiah they were a large group of people camels, covered the countryside there were you know lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of these people, and when they showed up, they had been following a star in the sky now we saw this star in Luke 2, when the Angels showed up to the Shepherds and revealed themselves and and the heavens showed us a sign, the Savior had been born. So the Magi followed that star and they go and they talk to her, inherit asks mm well how long have you been following that star and they tell him 2 years, so for two years they've been following this star, that showed up when Jesus was born so then they go out and they find Jesus and they presented with the gifts and then they're warned to go back to home a different a different way, and they sneak out and Herod finds out he's been bamboozled and Joseph has a dream, to flee because Herod is going to try to kill the baby because let's be honest Herod was. Harold was crazy. Certifiably crazy so then.

Pastor Newms:

[23:45] Most historians believe that was one of his last acts because at that moment everyone was like okay yeah you're done.

Pastor Bill:

[23:57] And you know there's no historical record of um then killing all the babies to and under, at that time because I believe he gave the order and his servants went ya know. Now we're just going to tell him we did that and we're not actually going to do it because crazy but I don't think that was the threat that the angel was warning him of I think Herod was going to keep coming after the kid, so here and thinks he's you know pending in the but you know he thinks he's taking care of it so they leave they go to Egypt okay. All right there in Egypt for a while and people are like we don't know how long they were in Egypt we don't know how long they were in Egypt that's about you know okay so Herod then dies. An angel tells Joseph are you can go back. Herod died sometime between 4 and 6 BC. For those of you following along at home that's four to six years before. We switch to this hole, new calendar system because somebody thought Jesus was born and that's when we should start year one and they were wrong, very wrong and so Herod dies between four and six, BC and they come back well Jesus was already too and they left so we know he's older than, um And so yeah we don't know how long they were in Egypt but by the time Jesus is 12, they've come back home right so so there sometime between. You know two to 10 years maybe is how long that there are 28 years is how long they're in, Egypt meaning Jesus was born probably 8 to 10 BC somewhere around in there 8 to 10 years before, the beginning of the new calendar and then we know, historically thanks to Josephus and things like this that Christ was crucified in 32 ad meaning, Christ wasn't 32 when he was crucified he was somewhere between 40 and 42, um given that the calendar was off but that's neither here nor there either, so right now we're in Advent we're counting down the days to win Christ is revealed to the, and that event is The Epiphany when the Magi who represent all of us who weren't born as Jews. Biggs's on Twitch and saying that they had to have been in Egypt for 10 years if they left when he was two, cuz you're making a correlation between, um the event where Jesus is 12 and they leave him in Jerusalem. And he spends three days in the temple de da but there's no actual scriptural correlation that says, that they came back at the same time as that event they could have come back at any point before that. Unless you know of some scripture that I'm forgetting and I would love to. So if you know the scripture that says that the event when he was 12 he's when they came back, um that would be awesome I'd like to fix the timeline in my brain in there, but the point is the magic came to represent us when Jesus was, and so we have this this thing of the Epiphany that the early church celebrated that was celebrated for, you know on and on and on and on, and when they decided to when the Catholic leadership decided to coops, you'll and saturnalia and all of these things people were celebrating Epiphany already, and they kind of you know saturnalia was the 25th you'll was the 23rd. 22nd or 23rd somewhere under there and they kind of split the difference and said okay well we're going to we're going to slam all this together on the 25th and say, that's the day Jesus was born, even though it was celebrated by the early church at the beginning of April around the beginning of April and I can't say April first because April 1st is based off of the solar calendar, and the early Church use the Jewish calendar which is a lunar calendar and it would kind of float, you know and it wouldn't necessarily fall on April 1st but they celebrated, the birth of Christ around the new year which was the beginning of, now we have our new year at the beginning of January and we celebrate you know the worth of crushed right before January but it wasn't always the case and so. I would like to see an uptick in people celebrating Epiphany myself it's a day to celebrate that, Jesus didn't just come for the Jews he also came for the Gentiles and that is what, I am that is what Newms is that's what most of the world is most of the world, does not have the Blood of Abraham running through their veins which makes us gentiles. Which is also an interesting point that having the Blood of Abraham flowing through your veins makes you a Jew meaning. The Islamic people that can trace their Heritage back to Ishmael are also Jews. You mean Jacob who was the direct descendant of Abraham.

Pastor Newms:

[31:18] Right but I thought that was this specific because of that.

Pastor Bill:

[31:26] Because Jacob wrestled with God.

Pastor Newms:

[31:28] No just.

Pastor Bill:

[31:30] And got the name is.

Pastor Newms:

[31:31] Because those are the 12 tribes they come from that not Abraham because Abraham had two sons.

Pastor Bill:

[31:38] But they only consider themselves blessed by God because of Abraham.

Pastor Newms:

[31:47] Okay.

Pastor Bill:

[31:54] That's an interesting question though.

Pastor Newms:

[31:55] I've always looked at it as as Judah because of, the tribes and the that aspect they trace it back to their they call him the god of Abraham on multiple.

Pastor Bill:

[32:11] Hey Abraham Isaac and Jacob we're an Islamic said the god of Abraham Ishmael Isaac and Jacob.

Pastor Newms:

[32:21] Yeah so.

Pastor Bill:

[32:23] Which Abraham would approve.

Pastor Newms:

[32:26] I mean yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[32:28] Got even says to Abraham I know your heart, um I know your heart is for your son Ishmael and I will not forget. Interesting.

Pastor Newms:

[32:42] They're both blessed just different plea but.

Pastor Bill:

[32:51] Okay.

Pastor Newms:

[32:52] And there are some Scholars that believe that they were only in Egypt for weeks possibly months not even years due to the fact that, you know the time the way the verbage is of after he had died the angel went to him, that doesn't mean that after isn't the moment, Harold but there are some people who believe it was the moment and that wasn't long after the proclamation because that was one of the nails in his coffin that told everyone, no he really is off his rocker he's got to go so.

Pastor Bill:

[33:37] But he died his of natural causes he didn't he wasn't killed which is interesting because in such a tumultuous, region, it was normal I mean that's how he got the position and the name even he quelled an uprising for the Romans, um of a leader that the Romans had put in place to do the job then Herod took, he killed their leader and that's how he got the name Herod and got his position. So

Pastor Newms:

[34:18] Funny thing they didn't have toxicology reports back then.

Pastor Bill:

[34:21] This is true.

Pastor Newms:

[34:22] So I mean.

Pastor Bill:

[34:26] This is very true he could have been poisoned too right.

Pastor Newms:

[34:28] There's a lot of people who died of natural causes back in the day that there's a lot of questions about that's some interesting timing right there okay cool, no I do agree I think it's really important, that we look at Epiphany you know typically. In our house we do not take down Christmas stuff until Epiphany because.

Pastor Bill:

[35:09] Either on or after is fine.

Pastor Newms:

[35:12] Yeah because to me that's the reason I exchanged gifts and stuff is because of that not.

Pastor Bill:

[35:24] Because of what happened at the epiphany.

Pastor Newms:

[35:26] Yeah not.

Pastor Bill:

[35:30] That's why I exchange gifts to I'm remembering, the gifts that the the Magi gave to Christ to commemorate that the Savior came not just, for the Jews but also for the Gentiles which is. And you know we live in an interesting time, theologically religiously speaking a very interesting time with so many people deconstructing their faith and so many people leaving the Evangelical Church. And it's interesting to hear, the perspective of atheists and those who have deconstructed and decided that they in their words no longer believe, if you've been with beard Manifesto for any time you know how I feel about the statement of no longer believe, and, the sentiment that I see a lot from atheists and and deconstructionist that have decided, to part ways with their faith is this Viewpoint of sin, as well that was just a controlling mechanism that was fake that was false there's no such thing as saying. Whereas, Paul is very clear that we are slaves to sin at Birth, not guilty of committing sin at Birth slaves to sin, and so there's there is this there is this narrative that we've been taught and told and and been drilled into our heads over and over and over and over again that you know you're just a sinner saved by grace, um and that's, biblically true what's true is you are a slave. Set free by grace and the Bible says it over and over again it is for Freedom that Christ set us free. And we try to talk about that as much as we can on the breed Manifesto that sin, is imperfection and what Christ did on the cross finished the law. And set us free from slavery to sin so now you are free and at the same time. There is sin that has very real in your life consequences that will mess you up, and leave you hurting on the side of the road beaten and Abandoned and poor and loss, and that's the sin we need to focus on taking care of, right the sin that does take you enslaved us you know enslave you and the sin that does leave you hurting and broken. That's the sin we need to focus on and. I'm I feel responsible as a Christian as a Believer for this this narrative that's hurt so many people, I've never really preached it or I'm not even responsible for it. But I'm so sorry to everyone that's been hurt. By this Theology of you're worthless and your Center and you've offended God when the truth is you're a victim. Of someone else's actions. And Jesus came to set you free from the slavery that you found yourself in. I was thinking the other day about I can't think of one instance where someone was in slavery. Where was 100% their fault where they weren't a victim of something. So why would Paul choose that term slavery slaves if he didn't mean to communicate. Victims. Were victims that Christ came to safe and that is what the Epiphany is all about. I was born a slave a slave to sin a slave to the world a slave to fleshly lusts and desires for things that literally will hurt me. And Christ came to set me free, not to say I should partaking the things that the law taught me where sin, no not to say that I can't partake in the things that the law said worse in not that either, but to say that I'm free to do either one and to understand. Just because I'm free to do whatever I want does it mean whatever I want is good for me. Because everything has a cost everything has a price and you have to decide what you're willing to pay, right Smokey has a cost drinking has it cost drugs has a cost, sex with multiple partners has a cost sex with a single partner has a cost now you can do things to try to you know. Skirt that cost and and try not to have the consequences of those actions, and that's your decision to make I mean but certain things have cost they have consequences. So yeah there you go bright and cheery.

Pastor Newms:

[42:57] Christmas.

Pastor Bill:

[42:58] Advent happy second day of Christmas countdown to epiphany. What is the calendar look like for the rest of the year when is our next our next live recording oh good falls on the 2nd of.

Pastor Newms:

[43:20] It's your birthday.

Pastor Bill:

[43:22] No my birthday is the 9th of.

Pastor Newms:

[43:24] No it's the second.

Pastor Bill:

[43:26] My birthday is very much not the second of January.

Pastor Newms:

[43:29] Okay well the second of January is the next time we meet.

Pastor Bill:

[43:34] A second of January is the next time that we will meet live for the brand Manifesto so if you wanted to join us, um like I said we meet on Sunday nights at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time, on Facebook twitch and YouTube and you can get on there and be a part of the conversation if you'd like, if not that's fine also this podcast comes out on Wednesday nights anywhere that you get your podcasts. I think I tried as hard as I can to make sure we're, syndicated but man new new Services pop up all the time and so, I have about 99% confidence that he get your podcast there you can get the brain Manifesto there too, so everyone's a night at 7 p.m. is when this comes out also we have a Ministry that we do that's called gaming with the pastors and that's me and Pastor Newms, playing through some games that Pastor Newms loves and wear on his Twitch Channel, and we would like you to come just hang out with us that's where we hang out we don't necessarily talk about, religious things or Christianity we mainly talk about the game or play in or funny things that we heard that week or you know, whatever comes up that's what we talked about so yeah so come join us at any random time that we end up being live on Twitch the way you'll know that we're live on choices if you go to twitch.tv, and you look up is it Pastor Newms now or master named still.

Pastor Newms:

[45:19] It's Pastor Newms.

Pastor Bill:

[45:20] Look up Pastor Newms on Twitch and follow his Twitch account and that way you'll get a notification when we go live for gaming with the pastor's Big Steve you said that your birthday is a third of January is that true it's his birthday the third of January.

Pastor Newms:

[45:35] Yep and he'll be okay.

Pastor Bill:

[45:38] Hunter 112 will be 100 Royal there.

Pastor Newms:

[45:50] Almost typed in that it was 20 25 let's just throw that out there oh hmm hmm, he is 58 this.

Pastor Bill:

[46:02] Nice.

Pastor Newms:

[46:03] Old.

Pastor Bill:

[46:05] This is the hottest Christmas, um on record for North Central Texas, so I just thought I'd let you know that I've got the AC and all of my fans on in my bedroom because I'm starting to sweat now.

Pastor Newms:

[46:23] It was 70 today and at the birthday party we were at there was a person from Chicago and they said they have not had any have not had a single snow yet this year.

Pastor Bill:

[46:37] Chicago hasn't had any snow yet that's crazy yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[46:40] And it's almost January so yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[46:47] All right well we're going to go ahead and cut this off, it's been a good evening I think we got her point across with the. Big city fell asleep he's extremely relaxed so I love you guys I hope you have a great week.

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:03] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 58 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill, and I'm joined by Pastor Newms. I'm in Texas where it has been in the 30s today I'm not sure that it got out of the 30s today and Pastor Newms is in Tennessee. Pastor Newms what's the weather like in Tennessee today?

Pastor Newms:

Eh…

Pastor Bill:

That's not really.

Pastor Newms:

[0:33] I don't pay attention to the actual number so I can't give you an actual number was. The girls wore a jacket I put my leather jacket on to walk but that was was it you know was not really cool. Just mean I know the temperature.

Pastor Bill:

[0:57] Okay okay okay he has been out Biggs, he went out to go to church this morning, I think I mean I didn't really track him or anything but he wasn't on Discord and on Sunday mornings it usually means he went to church. See there, Zaydiee for the win that is today was pretty with a high in the upper 40s and mostly cloudy dark drury day which is uh thank you.

Pastor Newms:

[1:46] My allergies have got me like super tired like my eyes are all puffy and like my vision is blurry sometimes like when I'll blink wrong and there was just stuff, you're like so I've been kind of. Yawn yawn yep Yawn is how my week has been um my week was pretty good I was real busy with work, we had some stuff going on and then we had other stuff going on and then more stuff so I was busy all week with that and then tired after that, didn't do much.

Pastor Bill:

[2:37] So my week has been tired I've been really tired this week so tired.

Pastor Newms:

[2:54] Okay we're going to have a lively night tonight I can tell.

Pastor Bill:

[3:05] Mmm got a relaxed attitude going tonight so I got a new camera this week, and so that's nice it's a nice quality camera mainly because I'm retiring my iPhone and I got that you know the phone we talked about last week, you know there is a setting that he could change on his camera where it wouldn't do that but he hasn't changed it he likes it that it goes blurry all the time.

Pastor Newms:

[3:36] Well the problem is if I don't if I don't change it then I mean if I change it when I do move, I'd have to go in and manually change it the 1% Zoom depending on when I'm sitting here or sitting here so.

Pastor Bill:

[4:05] Change it to autofocus responsive instead of autofocus passive and it won't do that anymore it won't give you the whole blurry penis, see I can go back and I'm so focused on going forward and I'm still focused and turn side to side and I'm still focused put my hand up here and my hand is in Focus remove it down in my face is still in focus.

Pastor Newms:

[4:30] That might be that might be a pro only version.

Pastor Bill:

[4:34] Oh really it's in the the software the synapse 3 but you're right it might be tied just to my camera.

Pastor Newms:

[4:43] Yeah I do anywho.

Pastor Bill:

[4:48] Okay cool so that was my week I got the new technology your wife is upset at you for moving a lot when you're on camera but that's just you we can't really do anything about, now and there it goes you disappeared. Yeah okay then I guess we don't need to see Pastor Newms in space, yeah so yeah you what's up, so you turned everything off their newms yeah so there's no video at all right.

Pastor Newms:

[5:35] I did I did I turned everything off my bad I turned everything off I know well it was it said pastor newms across the bottom.

Pastor Bill:

[5:43] Yeah just a black video that says pastor newms.

Pastor Newms:

[5:45] It wasn't total it wasn't total black but you know I knew what I was doing I knew I could see it.

Pastor Bill:

[5:53] So the better now am I back home screen list.

Pastor Newms:

[5:57] Yeah you are I'm not.

Pastor Bill:

[5:58] Okay okay I don't know why you're not on screen but.

Pastor Newms:

[6:02] Cuz I was confirming what you said and I don't see it so it means it's probably a pro only thing.

Pastor Bill:

[6:09] Or you need to download synapse 3 you've probably got synapse to.

Pastor Newms:

[6:19] Although I just killed my camera completely somehow.

Pastor Bill:

[6:24] Because my camera won't even work on synapse to like I had to uninstall and reinstall synapse completely to get synapse 3 to run so that my camera would work because my camera wouldn't even run on synapse to, which I thought was interesting but anyway, so we've done our weeks and now it's time for getting another pastors.

Pastor Newms:

[6:49] It is.

Pastor Bill:

[6:51] Your camera is still off.

Pastor Newms:

[6:53] It is Getting To Know The Pastors.

Pastor Bill:

[6:54] So we don't know if you're reading your card to us or.

Pastor Newms:

[6:57] Why haven't you haven't given me a chance yet you feels talk.

Pastor Bill:

[6:59] If you're just if you're just going to be making it up you should be like.

Pastor Newms:

[7:03] You're just you're still talking.

Pastor Bill:

[7:04] What's your favorite Monopoly piece.

Pastor Newms:

[7:07] You're still just talking as opposed to waiting so I mean you're going to have to be quiet for a minute for me to read like my picture are you ready for me to read. Are you.

Pastor Bill:

[7:23] You told me to be quiet, I'm ready you like my two-year-old you ready yep I'm ready and your back, I'm ready I don't think you're ready for this jelly.

Pastor Newms:

[7:44] Summer High summer load this doesn't even sound like a question where are if this question is already irritating me.

Pastor Bill:

[7:53] Our high some are. Is this a riddle.

Pastor Newms:

[8:05] No no this isn't that that was there for no reason because now did your camera just stop because you froze, why did you freeze for a minute okay so.

Pastor Bill:

[8:25] But I was getting an amber alert on my phone.

Pastor Newms:

[8:27] Oh so that first whole thing was it was nothing.

Pastor Bill:

[8:32] Never anything to do with the question.

Pastor Newms:

[8:33] Nope in all your travels what is the most awe-inspiring Bridge you've ever crossed.

Pastor Bill:

[8:42] Warming that's the summer long some bridges are long some bridges too short some bridges are tall some bridges are old.

Pastor Newms:

[8:50] You don't need that for the question is what I'm saying.

Pastor Bill:

[8:53] Yeah you really don't you don't need that for your question awe-inspiring.

Pastor Newms:

[9:00] Yeah I've never been across an awe-inspiring bridge I don't think I mean, the bridge across the Mississippi and Memphis is pretty good until it cracked in half you know alright if you lived on a farm what Shore.

Pastor Bill:

[9:13] Are you not going to let me try to answer you just kind of move on.

Pastor Newms:

[9:17] No I was done with that question before we even finished it if you lived on a farm which chore above all others would you definitely not want to do.

Pastor Bill:

[9:27] Man mucking the horse stalls is awful.

Pastor Newms:

[9:30] Anything with poop was my answer so we're on the same page.

Pastor Bill:

[9:35] I've done that I've had three instances of mucking horse stalls in my life and, no more not thank you there was this um this Children's Home a foster home where they fostered several children at a time like upwards of 15 at a time, I went to school with three three or four of the kids that, went that lived at that home and I went to spend the night with them a few weekends and yeah when you spend the night Friday night Saturday morning you go out there and you do chores, so yeah like in the horse stalls that's.

Pastor Newms:

[10:23] The question, Zaydiee, was if you lived on a farm what chore of all others would you definitely not want to do, so anything was poop.

Pastor Bill:

[10:38] Anything with poop is just.

Pastor Newms:

[10:39] Anything with just, I'm not down I'm not down we had a baby in the house for less than 24 hours this week as my friend was passing as our friends were passing through and, just the poops and I was like man I'm glad the kids know you know potty training because this was I, I have no desire to go back to that time where there is just you know six months old just starting food, poops.

Pastor Bill:

[11:24] Finnick is so close to being potty trained at this point he's just so close.

Pastor Newms:

[11:30] And as my wife said she does she loves babies has no problem with the poops.

Pastor Bill:

[11:43] She loves the poops.

Pastor Newms:

[11:45] No no no no, no she loves the babies she can tolerate the poops.

Pastor Bill:

[11:55] She doesn't love the poop.

Pastor Newms:

[11:56] No no.

Pastor Bill:

[11:58] She can tolerate the pools.

Pastor Newms:

[12:00] I think we've said poops too many times for this particular broadcast I think we've reached our poops.

Pastor Bill:

[12:06] How we reach our poop limit.

Pastor Newms:

[12:07] Yeah I think we reached it like the second time we said it I think that's the most time we've talked about poops since we have ever been on the Berean Manifesto.

Pastor Bill:

[12:18] Possibly yeah possibly.

Pastor Newms:

[12:21] You talk about least three different species of poops to.

Pastor Bill:

[12:26] Species of Hoops.

Pastor Newms:

[12:28] You said stalls which are horses or cows, I was thinking and said something about pigs unless I didn't say it out loud and then you you we talked about babies which is humans so that's three to four species because Stables can equate a couple, if horses and cows and in fantasy Realms anything can be in a stable so you know.

Pastor Bill:

[12:56] That's true you can Sable anything.

Pastor Newms:

[12:59] Yeah yeah there's this game I play, call dark and we've talked about it in the past and it's one of the next games up on our list of things to play once we get through the games we're playing right now and they released a new map and.

Pastor Bill:

[13:13] So sometime in 2023 2024.

Pastor Newms:

[13:17] Well it depends on how often we can actually play anyway the, there's baboons now they added baboons and you can actually ride them unless you didn't watch the video that I sent you okay and, just baboons, and I was just like and so I was thinking that might be we might skip the standard maps and go to that one because then we could experience a map together for the first time as opposed to me knowing, the map going into it like I actually would remember everything I've had a map but that's the second point I can't remember what I did yesterday little own the intricacies of a cave running.

Pastor Bill:

[14:05] You're not mad you don't memorize every inch of every map that you've ever seen.

Pastor Newms:

[14:09] Now I'll be like I think I know where we are and I don't, I feel like it's right over no it's not I can't I can't navigate life like real map like here map.

Pastor Bill:

[14:31] Yeah it's right down the road down there 2006 have a right hand turn at the Chevy's or with Chevy's used to be and then make a left hand turn where they took down that big old tree that used to be there.

Pastor Newms:

[14:41] Just take a right and then the person's like I got really lost I took a right how do you say right I said take a left no hey now you listen here.

Pastor Bill:

[14:52] No you're very cluttered the sun turn around.

Pastor Newms:

[14:54] You listen here it was they put up that fence to stop people from using the back of the Walmart, as a thorough through a thorough way so that used to be a way you could get to from point A to point B Because I had done it and then all of a sudden you couldn't, and I've never not heard about it from him because he's like oh it's the back of a Walmart because I did I took us like ice left here in a right here and then another left and then we'll pop right out, and then it's the back of a Walmart which is the only Walmart I've ever seen where you're behind the Walmart and can't get to the front of the Walmart from the back of the Walmart, so yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[15:38] And when people come and Shop in from that side they don't want those people's money.

Pastor Newms:

[15:41] Damn that was that was the no I knew where the Walmart was.

Pastor Bill:

[15:50] Were those Walmart come from popped up out of nowhere all right so tonight, um we're doing things a little different than what we normally do I do have a scripture on the scripture bump about transparency so as a 501 c 3, church one of our, and I'm looking to put quotations around this because you know requirements is that we have a yearly business meeting where we let our members know what's going on with the church, and I say requirements because nobody checks on these things there's no governmental body that, goes around and make sure that churches are doing all the things that are required to do. We would never have to tell anybody anything about what we're doing because nobody cares nobody looks but we do I do rather I should say try to keep our financials going on our donation page, I've not been as good about that this year this year kind of got away from me but I did go in this week and update all the financials, and I haven't put that on the website yet but I have it I have it all updated up to the end of November, and so we're just going to talk a little bit about what we've done this year and yeah so I think I wanted to start with just I'm gonna throw some numbers out there and then I'd like you to talk about. Your experiences at Pride if you know just from this year and I'm putting you on the spot, um and we'll kind of see where we go from there. Okay so the last 12 months so we're talking about you know last December and then January through now we were at least 50 episodes this will be episode 51, um for that year span and of the course of those 50 episodes we had 561 downloads, which means we're averaging 11 listens per episode that doesn't count people who show up live for the live recording, unless they're then going back and downloading the podcast that doesn't count anyone that watches on social media after the fact like my mother doesn't download the podcast she watches it on Facebook, so it doesn't count social media at all does the count video this is just the audio just people going to gosh I can give you a, a better comprehend.

Pastor Newms:

[18:40] The places where you get podcasts.

Pastor Bill:

[18:45] Right but there was okay yeah your ride just the places you get podcasts. We're talking about.

Pastor Newms:

[18:56] This is that Manisha that no one cares about other than us just as.

Pastor Bill:

[19:02] Pandora Firefox Apple podcasts Google Chrome Safari these people that are you know getting podcasts from these trackable sources, we're averaging 11 people per episode that are listening somewhere and, in all of that we have listeners from 28 countries this year people that have listened everywhere from Russia to, should have just left all this up, Kenya so are obvious are large Chinese to the United States because we're culturally we talk a lot about things that make sense, for the United States our number two listener in the world for countries is Kenya, um and then Russia and then the Philippines and then Sweden, are our top five countries that we have listeners in which is, fantastic I like that we have listeners from all over the world and we've often said that it is not about. Lots and lots and lots of numbers or anything crazy you know like that it is all about the one the one listener the One impact the big the best impact the 10K what have I done here, I've zoomed in my Microsoft Excel sheet to where I can't find anything. It's always been all about the one it's the one person is what we're trying to reach you are trying to reach, and make a significant impact in the one-on-one relationships not necessarily casting the wide net, where we pull everybody in but making things that are going to reach and make a significant impact on a personal level, so we're good with that this year you want to wager how much we've received in donations.

Pastor Newms:

[21:24] No I'm not going to try to wager anything.

Pastor Bill:

[21:26] Now you're trying to wager anything okay thirteen thousand two hundred and thirteen dollars and 43 cents, which is not great compared to previous years but considering, in previous years we've had that that missions grant that was going through which a lot of it was a lot of money and we were meeting face-to-face and so we had more money coming in that way consider we you know.

Pastor Newms:

[21:56] And we had more expenses.

Pastor Bill:

[21:58] Lost those and then yes we cut down on our expenses significantly our expenses year to date is, seven thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven dollars and 18 cents and that includes, five thousand dollars that we invested in our Outreach to The Gaming Community, the computer which then we use for video editing and, and you know audio production and all that stuff that includes that so we've definitely cut back on expenses significantly over previous years.

Pastor Newms:

[22:43] Not necessarily by choice.

Pastor Bill:

[22:46] I mean we.

Pastor Newms:

[22:47] Covid is covid.

Pastor Bill:

[22:50] We Bob and weave with you know as things change we adjust, and so that's where we are we're saving up money so that we'll have a good amount of money so when things, when something changes and we're able to do something face-to-face we've got the funds right now we've got, just over nine thousand dollars in the bank which is good it's a good amount for us to be able to do some face-to-face Ministry, is and when we find an outlet for that things like when you and deprive this year and and the cost of you going to provide for the church was like almost nil because, the only thing the church provided was a shirt that, we provided in a previous year so it wasn't it wasn't a new expense and then we printed up some business cards for you to hand out, told the message of you are loved.

Pastor Newms:

[23:58] That was it because we didn't we didn't do that we didn't do the booth this year because of the late notices with them and not, you know the moves and everything that happened with with covid there was a lot of up and down on whether it was even going to happen and then, one of the ones that I went to the main one actually rained out moments before and then they still had it by moving it to ours but it was, muddy mess the whole time and so that was interesting to say the least, but it was good when we went we handed out some cards didn't have a lot of conversation just because the opportunities did not, show themselves but had some good conversation so overall it was good but, not as much as you know when you have a booth in your able to get people engaged when you're just walking around it's a lot harder so, hopefully next year we can look at doing a booth at them.

Pastor Bill:

[25:08] Well not next year we literally have to start looking into it like in a month we'll have to look into when we can register and all that to make sure we don't ya have.

Pastor Newms:

[25:17] I don't know I mean next year having about not looking into it next year but next year is in you know 10 days.

Pastor Bill:

[25:28] What is today say the face 19.

Pastor Newms:

[25:32] Yeah today is 19 so it's.

Pastor Bill:

[25:34] But 13 days.

Pastor Newms:

[25:35] Like 13 days and yes bigs they did cancel the second day they didn't have the parade because it was just too, it was muck all weekend so we'll see how it goes next time we will see if Nash Dallas even has one considering.

Pastor Bill:

[25:54] This last year they didn't hear before they did have a party this year with a concert but no booths know like you know, we kind of gone but there wouldn't have been a lot of opportunity for Ministry I don't want to, I'm an ally to anyone in that Community I'm an ally but I'm not an advocate meaning, I'm not the one to stand on the corner and and say you know, we need to vote for equal rights we need to I'm the guy that says hey you gonna go stand on the corner how can I help you you need water you need lunch you need you know how can I support you in what you, believe in I'm the Ally so when there's an event where it's strictly hey we're gonna have a party and we're going to celebrate, that we are this thing as an ally that's not really my, area to be you go celebrate and when you need me you let me know you need me it's that makes sense it's also why we don't go to the parade, nobody in our church is that I mean we have. Has been in the past, identified as that so it's been you know it's been real saying to us like I don't want to insert myself into your culture, I'm not have any right to be there under the guise of well I want to do ministry to you well yeah I wanted to minister to you I want to take you to the the IHOP's to the IHOP down the road and buy you a, a stack of pancakes and get to know you so that we can have a relationship, Zaydiees not wrong she said I don't which she says a lot of them need you there to show your support as an ally or a friend and that's why we want to go to we want to go to Pride, but we don't go to the parade for the reasons I said and I don't know what do you think is ADD do we need to re-evaluate that, that concept because I'm not a ship onto an island to my, I don't know what the coke like wheel is amiss as a board member if you feel like we should be going to the parade as well then we should discuss that as a board and see if we should be doing, the events and the parades.

Pastor Newms:

[28:36] There's a difference there's not a lot of set up a lot of places and and and in the same way as there is in that first day normally we would just be going, to go.

Pastor Bill:

[28:54] I mean if we're going to go to the parade I would think we would need a float make a you are loved flow the whole nine yards.

Pastor Newms:

[29:02] Yeah I don't see us doing that no no I'm not getting on a float homie.

Pastor Bill:

[29:09] Or we could get a whole bunch of water bottles that say you were loved on them and hand them out to people that are there I don't know something like that it had to be something about you know taking that Ally roll.

Pastor Newms:

[29:27] That is true we could just be there there's nothing wrong with necessarily just being there and that's something we could talk about for this year.

Pastor Bill:

[29:32] We can have this yeah we can have this conversation but I would like to know what we would be doing there other than just standing there and taking up space, if there's a way that we can engender conversation.

Pastor Newms:

[29:49] But there might not be it might literally just be there in our free hugs and see if someone needs us more than anything just as support possibly, in my mind.

Pastor Bill:

[30:13] But right now we're we're not doing a lot I mean we're doing a lot of arm a lot of desk time where we're trying to do ministry from our desks virtually.

Pastor Newms:

[30:27] And not even enough of that but we've got to get more.

Pastor Bill:

[30:31] Even that we're struggling to find time to do so.

Pastor Newms:

[30:38] Now that's something she's better at than I am.

Pastor Bill:

[30:43] So Zaydiee said on Twitch or just praying as we walk through the area since she says but maybe that's just me because I do that a lot and and that is one of the ladies gifting she is a, an intercessor she prays and she prays and she intercesses and she brings people before the Lord and.

Pastor Newms:

[31:03] I find it funny that you know that's definitely her niche, and her and her thing that she does and she's really strong at because neither one of us thought about the fact that we would be doing that while we were standing there as like the main thing but yet she's like well we could be doing this and we're both like oh, well I mean, yeah yeah we could do that yeah that's a good point I think.

Pastor Bill:

[31:41] My wife Chimes up she just wants to go she likes parades the woman who has never actually volunteered at Pride with us or shown any interest in going to Pride with us, just said she'd like to go.

Pastor Newms:

[31:59] I think she wants to go I think she's been upset with you for years and years that she hasn't got to go to the parade I think that's what she's saying right there.

Pastor Bill:

[32:07] She does like parade soon to a Christmas parade and she was just all a flutter oh that's so cool, you know like brakes are kind of loud.

Pastor Newms:

[32:20] They're loud they're noisy there's a lot of people it's normally chaotic there's it's pushing and just.

Pastor Bill:

[32:28] There was a in the the Christmas parade there was a group of indigenous dancers, indigenous dancers and they were playing drums, and freaked the crap out of all three of my children that I had at the parade you could hear the drums from blocks and blocks and blocks away and that's drums got louder they got nerve more and more nervous and, some.

Pastor Newms:

[32:53] Yeah drums are fun.

Pastor Bill:

[33:01] Groggy on Twitter says free candy.

Pastor Newms:

[33:03] Gargi did say free candy.

Pastor Bill:

[33:04] When you go to parades they throw out candy sometimes sometimes they try to hit you with the candy in the head. Got to be careful accepting anything at Pride even hugs gets dangerous sometimes.

Pastor Newms:

[33:25] Sometimes some people not overall but some people are odd but, and we say odd because there was an experience with someone who was wearing more than just glitter she had mixed something in with her glitter, I was Fuzzy for two days but that's beside the point.

Pastor Bill:

[33:48] You and Houston.

Pastor Newms:

[33:50] Yeah me and Houston were both like mmm.

Pastor Bill:

[33:53] That sound is that the colored green I hear what is this.

Pastor Newms:

[33:56] Yeah it was that was that was that was a rough that was a rough day when it's 100 and whatever outside than all of a sudden you're, trippin and you didn't take anything that you know of that was that was an experience that day was and then you look at the person who you just hugged and they're upside down in the grass and you're like oh.

Pastor Bill:

[34:20] That makes sense.

Pastor Newms:

[34:21] It's not me anywho, pride is always something we definitely want to do hopefully next year we'll get back out to them hopefully Omicron or, whatever the next p is I don't I don't know what comes after Omicron I can't remember Pi Pi is what would be next actually.

Pastor Bill:

[34:44] Patchouli should have the Patchouli variant that would be nice.

Pastor Newms:

[34:48] It'd be pie.

Pastor Bill:

[34:49] It'd be all like chill and be like what's the main symptom for Patchouli variant like you get really chill just like you're okay with life.

Pastor Newms:

[34:59] So the the fear I would have would pipe I would be like you know, mild symptoms but never ending like you know just it's a low number but it just goes forever anyway so yeah hopefully we can, get out next year and do some actual face-to-face ministry again when we're not stuck.

Pastor Bill:

[35:25] Right, and we want to ramp up our gaming with pastors moving forward which means more streaming time and more video editing to try to get more, draw more viewers to the channel so that we can have them show up when we're alive so that we.

Pastor Newms:

[35:45] Did you clip the last one at all.

Pastor Bill:

[35:47] I didn't I never even did I never clipped it.

Pastor Newms:

[35:49] Mmm-hmm.

Pastor Bill:

[35:50] The last to have it clipped anything we've done from Borderlands yet. Contra I don't know if we'll be able to 9.

Pastor Newms:

[36:01] We want tonight there's a.

Pastor Bill:

[36:04] You just you just said we should do it later.

Pastor Newms:

[36:07] I meant like a later at a later Point not later tonight because.

Pastor Bill:

[36:22] Oh my gosh I even started it yet.

Pastor Newms:

[36:24] If we watched I think for three four episodes earlier and there's like four more to go five more to go so because the girls were busy most of the weekend so.

Pastor Bill:

[36:37] I'm so tired I just I want to get the podcast you know processed after we're done get the podcast processed go to bed just want then I just want to go to bed, got to take the littlest girl to the doctor in the morning and and yeah so.

Pastor Newms:

[36:59] I do have work tomorrow but I don't have to get up to take the girls to school so I really don't have to get up till like you know.

Pastor Bill:

[37:08] Noon.

Pastor Newms:

[37:08] No

Pastor Bill:

[37:10] You're like you're like when is my first meeting.

Pastor Newms:

[37:13] Like nine so.

Pastor Bill:

[37:18] At least be up by my first meeting. Zaydiee has to be up for work is 67 excuses.

Pastor Newms:

[37:30] Oh more people trying to get their houses clean before company comes over for Christmas.

Pastor Bill:

[37:39] Yeah yeah we've got Christmas at my mother's on Wednesday and then our Sands mother's on Thursday and then, my grandmother's on Friday.

Pastor Newms:

[37:55] That's too much Christmas I don't even.

Pastor Bill:

[38:00] And then Saturday it's Christmas day right.

Pastor Newms:

[38:03] Yes because I have Friday off because of Christmas Eve and Monday off because of Christmas Day, so yeah we could do some Daytime streaming.

Pastor Bill:

[38:22] When you're off yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[38:23] We're at my mom's.

Pastor Bill:

[38:28] And.

Pastor Newms:

[38:29] It appears we're at my mom's Friday and Saturday I wasn't I'm sure someone told me but.

Pastor Bill:

[38:35] Can you can you check that please Friday and Saturday or no. Bgigs you care to comment on that.

Pastor Newms:

[38:47] All right um I love my parents do not get me wrong Biggs and I'm sure Gloria Gloria is listening I'm not trying to say that I'm just saying aye.

Pastor Bill:

[39:07] It just seems funny Friday and Saturday but you know.

Pastor Newms:

[39:14] Yeah all right so what else we got what else you want to go over as far as numbers.

Pastor Bill:

[39:21] I don't have any of them numbers to go over for the business meeting we talked about how many countries and how many downloads and how many episodes we talked about, I mean I wish we were still feeding people so we could be like we've had this many people this year but.

Pastor Newms:

[39:43] Yep sadly we are.

Pastor Bill:

[39:44] It's not a reality anymore for us.

Pastor Newms:

[39:48] We are not having our meals anymore or 15 minutes to the end of the podcast so what else we got.

Pastor Bill:

[40:03] I don't have anything else.

Pastor Newms:

[40:05] Would you like to talk about the future plans thought process.

Pastor Bill:

[40:08] We just did we say we'd like to this year do this and we'd like to do that.

Pastor Newms:

[40:13] That's true we feed mr. groggy when he's here for the for the time, each puff is not wrong if you'd like to read that.

Pastor Bill:

[40:31] Yeah Phoenix on Twitch suggest that we could donate food money to food banks, and that's true we could I think what I liked most about feeding people is that we were face to face, we could build relationship while we were feeding them when we I'm not saying that food banks aren't good food banks are needed and they need donors thing you know but it takes all of the, the actual face-to-face out of it.

Pastor Newms:

[41:08] Yeah which is what you truly care about.

Pastor Bill:

[41:11] That's what I truly care about is the face-to-face and feeding the hungry is a big Ministry, and we might need to consider making a donation to a food bank, before the end of the year before the next 13 days is up but that'll be a discussion to have with the board at least the what's the word, the board yeah the Quorum of the board to see if we want to do that, so I'm tired you're tired Merry Christmas y'all.

Pastor Newms:

[41:56] Board meetings are boring I mean business meetings are boring.

Pastor Bill:

[42:00] Business meetings are boring and we were required to have one by law. But like I said it's a roo requirement but we had it anyway so there you go, we're legal yay you can't hear that but you hear that now you can hear the little what are these chestnuts you can hear the little.

Pastor Newms:

[42:26] Canceling your noise-cancelling stuff is canceling it out.

Pastor Bill:

[42:36] That's a good point to bring up in our in our quorum meeting of which you are a member of the quorum, so yeah she says and I'm funny of were recording a podcast and responding to texts not telling the the audio what's going on, and which says that yes on me but wouldn't it be better to do it like not at Christmas because that's the time of year usually they get the most donations, and yeah that's that's what we are reply was that's actually a good point, and that my friends is one of the reasons why zadie is on the Quorum of our board is because she brings up very good points like that, that's not a chestnut what is this.

Pastor Newms:

[43:24] As opposed to me and you who are like let's do it.

Pastor Bill:

[43:27] Yeah we're like let's do it what is this your dad said it's not just now.

Pastor Newms:

[43:35] Well when you had a whole group of them it didn't look like a chestnut.

Pastor Bill:

[43:39] Oh they're just they're just hot glued together. Three nuts here.

Pastor Newms:

[43:56] I buy one that's a walnut.

Pastor Bill:

[43:58] Okay drop off.

Pastor Newms:

[44:01] Yeah I think that's a walnut a pecan in a chestnut right I don't know.

Pastor Bill:

[44:09] So I made a cut my grandmother made a comment about remember the old days when they give you a bag with some nuts and a orange in it at church and it'd be such a special time and I said you know what, I would still think that was special I'd love to get a bat a gift back like that and my grandmother on her way home from church today, she called me and said hey I got a surprise to you since somebody got to get it for my car she said nothing too special just send somebody out and apparently her church had handed out, the bags with the nuts and the orange and an apple and a few little pieces of candy and she had brought me her bag.

Pastor Newms:

[44:50] Aw

Pastor Bill:

[44:50] And I was like that is amazing I love it that is awesome.

Pastor Newms:

[44:56] She is a special lady.

Pastor Bill:

[44:58] She is, my grandmother's great, so yeah so that's where I got my and so what I'm doing is I'm now I've got this you can't really see the designs on it but it's this ornate Bowl, that somebody got from some foreign country and then abandoned in the accounting department at Teen Mania, so when Teen Mania closed it became my property, along with other knickknacks that were from the offices and I've been keeping cough drops in it and so I'm currently making them into a.

Pastor Newms:

[45:35] Lid nice.

Pastor Bill:

[45:36] You know a lid for my cough drop thing so yeah because I because I can't digest nuts of any kind so, doesn't work out well, but then we be talking back to talking about poo did we really only cover 6 minutes in all that conversation which has. Okay so there's an atheist and a little girl flying on a plane.

Pastor Newms:

[46:10] We're not telling jokes jokes are terrible.

Pastor Bill:

[46:11] Any atheist says the little girls reading the Bible, and the atheist says I can prove to you that God doesn't exist and little girl says oh really and he says yeah and the guy says they'll Authority little girl says, all right so I forgot how the joke goes.

Pastor Newms:

[46:32] Huh.

Pastor Bill:

[46:38] Do you know how a horse's body turns food into poo, no no no I don't you see it says the girl says well okay do you know how a cows, body turns food into poo and he saith is no no I don't know that either okay do you know how a pig's body turns food into poo yes is a theist is no no I don't I don't know that either in the girl says, well if you don't know anything about poo then why would I listen to what you think about God.

Pastor Newms:

[47:13] I don't think that's how the original joke went okay.

Pastor Bill:

[47:20] It's really a stupid joke though it doesn't have any my ADHD can't even enjoy the joke because he doesn't make any sense whatsoever what is what is having anything to know anything about the biological processes of the way these three different animals make poo have to do with anything about whether or not God exists, nothing to do.

Pastor Newms:

[47:43] When you use the actual version of it it. It's funnier because you need that word that you didn't use to make the joke make sense.

Pastor Bill:

[47:57] If you don't know still high in transit then you know.

Pastor Newms:

[48:02] Exactly see that is what makes the joke funny but yet yeah all right.

Pastor Bill:

[48:11] Mercy even by the time you get to the punch line when I was being told the joke I couldn't enjoy the joke because my brain was still stuck on the lobby in logical, leading up to the punchline I couldn't even enjoy the joke my brain was still stuck big says was no Bible verse tonight big.

Pastor Newms:

[48:32] There was one but it's just about transparency Roxanne your husband loves to spread bad jokes I don't know why you're surprised by this.

Pastor Bill:

[48:45] We had a business meeting and so 2nd Corinthians 4:2, and we leaned into the second half but the whole verse says, well we'll start verse 1 therefore since we have this ministry because we were shown Mercy we do not give up, instead we have renounced secret and shameful things not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God, but commending ourselves before God to everyone's conscience by an open display of the truth, that was our verse for this evening.

Pastor Newms:

[49:25] So we're transparent.

Pastor Bill:

[49:26] For train transparent we're trying to be transparent now let you know what we do what our thought processes are where the money goes where our heart is, we want to do anything in secret, I need to realign these temporary teeth it's going to be a several more weeks before my permanent to come in and.

Pastor Newms:

[49:53] That's that's a secret we could have kept see.

Pastor Bill:

[49:54] Why would we though I don't want to keep secrets.

Pastor Newms:

[49:59] Yeah I agree with thanks thank you and goodnight.

Pastor Bill:

[50:01] Thank you and goodnight all right did you have any questions in chat in in in.

Pastor Newms:

[50:08] We have to technically ask that in the business meeting.

Pastor Bill:

[50:12] Newms do you have any questions.

Pastor Newms:

[50:14] I I don't, I'd be shocked if I'd if I did I'd be a terrible vice president of the board if I waited till business meeting to ask questions, pretty bad at my job if that was the case.

Pastor Bill:

[50:32] If voluntary job.

Pastor Newms:

[50:34] Okay going once going twice closed.

Pastor Bill:

[50:43] Did you just hit your desk like it was a cat gavel okay this is me.

Pastor Newms:

[50:46] I use the backside the backside of Voldemort's wand to are we going to, church and Ang.

Pastor Bill:

[50:58] I think she won't change, change yeah that sounds can say change what Pastor Newms picture on the website are we going to update pastor Newms this picture on the website from, I candid shot of him at his wedding.

Pastor Newms:

[51:18] No you put the old picture up there.

Pastor Bill:

[51:21] I put your picture up there.

Pastor Newms:

[51:22] The old picture.

Pastor Bill:

[51:24] Oh yeah picture of you from the future.

Pastor Newms:

[51:26] Yeah the picture of me where I look older than Biggs.

Pastor Bill:

[51:34] Yeah there it is Church Pastor board vice president everybody should go to EKK.house/team and check out the pictures of our board of directors.

Pastor Newms:

[51:49] And this picture is to be taken in in 2067.

Pastor Bill:

[51:52] Yes Pastor newms is picture is to be taken in 2067.

Pastor Newms:

[51:59] And I would like to point out it's funny that if you press the more info under the name it has less info under all the names.

Pastor Bill:

[52:12] Well the names as lesson for sure does read more nothing.

Pastor Newms:

[52:15] You you you made a boo-boo.

Pastor Bill:

[52:19] Well it gives you the email address if you hit read more.

Pastor Newms:

[52:23] For the people that have one you made a boo-boo.

Pastor Bill:

[52:29] I just never got around to filling out that information.

Pastor Newms:

[52:31] Hmm hehehe. That's funny, hot right now do the bye-byes.

Pastor Bill:

[52:46] Okay so yeah so I love you guys I hope you have a great week.

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 57 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined with me today with is as wow fumble - fumble on the play and I'm not a sports guy that still said that I was fun. I'm joined by Pastor Newms, as always, it's not like he's a guest or anything he's a regular staple on this show it's the Pastor and Newms, Pastor Newms and Pastor Bill show.

Pastor Newms:

No

Pastor Bill:

But we do have a Gaming With The Pastors that we should be doing more often than we do. We're currently playing through Borderlands.

Pastor Newms:

[0:44] Yes.

Pastor Bill:

[0:45] And that's where Newms is supposed to say. You’re supposed to say, “catch a ride.”

Pastor Newms:

[0:50] Yeah catch a ride yeah. (with zero enthusiasm)

Pastor Bill:

[0:54] Not like that.

Pastor Newms:

[0:54] Catch a Ride! (hollered in a country back water hoe down voice)

Pastor Bill:

[0:57] Hey.

Pastor Newms:

[0:57] It's a fun it's a fun game I love that game it's one of my favorite games of all time that series of games is one of my favorite.

Pastor Bill:

[1:08] It's a bit intense in certain places.

Pastor Newms:

[1:10] You know it's not “a bit” intense when certain of the bad guys that have very interesting names come out how they denote Elites in that game, when they come out it's you know it so, speaking of them there is actually from gearbox Studios which is who made Borderlands there's a free game on Epic store right now, no our volume is not turned down Zaydiee you should be able to hear us pretty clear. I might be slightly quieter. They have a free game on Epic store by the way that launched either today or yesterday that you shouldn't look at right now. I know that the sound should be pretty loud I'm watching the levels it's bouncing into the yellow when it should so. So how was my week my week was pretty good okay go ahead.

Pastor Bill:

[2:19] So this week we are addressing an issue about celebrating or not celebrating, um it's a whole thing and you know with the holiday season upon us and, what do you celebrate what do you not celebrate what do you do what do you not do what do you and it is this whole thing that people struggle with every year and we're going to address this, the title of tonight's episode is Mary asceticism, and so that's where we're going tonight and so I just want to throw that out there right quick to get everybody's brain running if you're going to be following along in your Bibles we will be in Matthew and John and Romans, and Galatians and Colossians and Corinthians and Philippians tonight so if you got a. Just chilling and probably Timothy since the scripture bump verse was from Timothy so yeah so if you want to just, if you have a mind like a steel trap and can't remember all the things I did rattled off.

Pastor Newms:

[3:29] Or we'll just put them up as we as we go put them into the chat Mmm Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[3:33] In preparation just you know Marvin them ahead of time so Pastor newms.

Pastor Newms:

[3:37] My week was pretty good actually you can't hear me breathing you can hear my fan on I forgot to turn it down that's my bad. That should be better now you usually can't hear me but unless I'm just breathing that heavy today because I am large. Don't breathe into that you know that's going to cause nothing but trouble my mic is my camera is not wanting to focus today it is like jerking it out today don't know why, my week was good we have a go live for work going on throughout the whole weekend and, it's actually going on right now as we migrate patients into an EMR. So that's a that's how my week went Was preparing for that and, the team has worked tirelessly this weekend to do so why are you putting those on now.

Pastor Bill:

[4:48] I just realized you're not in my ears.

Pastor Newms:

[4:50] Oh so.

Pastor Bill:

[4:53] That might be our volume problem is it might be canceling you out because it's hearing your choice.

Pastor Newms:

[5:02] That very well could be the aspect, so that was that was pretty good I did get my office decorated finally for Christmas and I got my. An early Christmas present to myself in. And it's behind me which is fun so he's hiding he's hiding.

Pastor Bill:

[5:34] I don't see it.

Pastor Newms:

[5:37] He's hiding but you can see him.

Pastor Bill:

[5:42] That's where my face is on my screen.

Pastor Newms:

[5:44] Oh so you can't see him so.

Pastor Bill:

[5:47] Against him.

Pastor Newms:

[5:48] I got a Build-A-Bear which we all know I love, Build-A-Bear not sponsored or anything I just absolutely love them and where they've taken their company they released the 70 70th, 30th 30th 70th he's not that old the 30th Anniversary Deadpool, bear and they went with his gray costume for it which according to build a bear's birth certificate that they send out with all their Bears the gray is actually heather gray which I found to be very interesting I was like ooh, okay.

Pastor Bill:

[6:26] I like the Heather colors I like heather gray Heather pink like this.

Pastor Newms:

[6:31] So that's what he technically is and so then I redid the rest and put up my Christmas tree which is a black Christmas tree with at the top I don't know if you can tell but at the very top my tree topper is the V for Vendetta masks because, that works, um and then I rotated my stuff over here so everyone can prominently see the Frankie for the moment.

Pastor Bill:

[6:58] The Frankie and the Yoda look almost like they could have descended from the same species.

Pastor Newms:

[7:03] A date they kind of do and I switched which Venom's are out which you guys probably can't tell because they're just, Venom's but actual Venom and Venom eyes punishers out instead of x-23 and Gwenpool vandalized so, yeah so my week was pretty good just a lot of work and I was very tired a lot this week and so that's one of the reasons we didn't do you gave me with the pastor I went to, bed early a couple nights so how was your week.

Pastor Bill:

[7:43] Ruff had a lot of physical pain and found out we're not going to end up getting the Acura back, it would be 11 thousand dollars to put in a new engine because it needs a new engine so we're going to have to, go and clean it all out and try to figure out how to, solitary junkyard or something because it has a salvage title so I'm not even sure we could send it to auction anywhere I don't know.

Pastor Newms:

[8:14] I don't know.

Pastor Bill:

[8:16] So yeah so there's that and I went ahead and upgraded my phone so I gotta, a new phone I got a Samsung Galaxy Z flip three so third generation of this flip-flop, I didn't realize that when I was getting it and actually they were running a special they gave me, a crazy amount of trade in for my iPhone 11 which then brought the price of this phones monthly payment down so low that I was able to then also start the process of upgrading money, iPad Mini 2 and I'm still going to end up paying less a month, when all is said and done that I was paying for my iPhone 11. Yeah without the trade in this phone would have been a little less than the payments for the iPhone but not by much.

Pastor Newms:

[9:19] Yeah knock me.

Pastor Bill:

[9:22] It's cool I got I got that new phone it's not as awesome the cameras on this great the screen super Vivid. Um and it's neat to be able to have a flip phone again I loved my Razor foot from back in the day and I wanted one of the Razer smartphones when it came out but it was so dang expensive and on the wrong cell phone carrier, for me I have AT&T when I had T-Mobile back in the day you said it was T-Mobile.

Pastor Newms:

[9:56] Verizon Razor.

Pastor Bill:

[9:59] I don't think I've ever had Verizon.

Pastor Newms:

[10:01] Razor the Razor phone was pretty much everywhere when it was out, but the razor flip is run specifically for some reason I think Verizon paid him to do it or something at you know contracts are funny so.

Pastor Bill:

[10:15] That's usually how that kind of thing goes but I told myself is that the iPhone 13 came out and it wasn't a flip phone, then I was going to stop getting iPhones when I upgraded and then it came out and it was a hey we had another camera again yay look at us we're awesome and I went nope I'm done.

Pastor Newms:

[10:35] Their cameras are phenomenal but that's one of the only things that are valid on.

Pastor Bill:

[10:39] You they used to innovate and now they just add cameras I'm I'm I'm done I'm over it so.

Pastor Newms:

[10:48] I saw me man it was like iPhone 100 and the back was just cameras it's just.

Pastor Bill:

[10:56] For a while there they just kept getting bigger and I would hold my iPad Mini up to my ear and be like the new iPhone 40.

Pastor Newms:

[11:04] Yeah it's.

Pastor Bill:

[11:08] Because it just kept getting bigger and bigger and I was like how big how big is this going to go and then they switch from getting bigger to just adding more cameras and it was okay we're back.

Pastor Newms:

[11:18] Yeah their innovation.

Pastor Bill:

[11:20] Gonna have cameras.

Pastor Newms:

[11:21] Definitely slow down and that's very frustrating, and that's one thing about the Android you can't really stop innovating with Android the operating system because if you do someone else is going to, with the iPhone they got complacent because they captured a market group and like you were discussing earlier when we were on our pre call, you know you're dealing with some headaches because now you and your wife are on different OS has and there are certain programs that don't, Mash correctly and so it causes problems and that's, how Macan Android does it too. Everyone in the upside of Android is is since its certain parts of it are open source, everyone can stay current now the big thing about of course the, Androids are they every version is vastly different a Samsung, you know the basics are the same but then every company builds a little layer above it so the Samsung OS is slightly different than the. Whoever, the native like the native Google because Google does have the pixels pixel phones too small for me I'd like it because it doesn't have all the bloatware that the other phones have, that's the other thing I hate about phones is the bloatware but, that keeps the cost down a little bit so the phone might be more expensive without the bloatware because the company wouldn't be getting handed money to put said bloatware on there and then make up their profits elsewhere but that's beside the point.

Pastor Bill:

[13:17] I mean as it is this phone's are eighteen hundred dollar phone. I can't imagine it getting much more expensive.

Pastor Newms:

[13:24] The but but the flip developing that flip technology was not cheap and we do not have it everywhere yet that the foldable screen technology is still.

Pastor Bill:

[13:38] Yeah and even the Razer smartphone it's not a foldable screen it's isn't it two panes of glass. I think it is I think the Razer smartphone is two panes of glass that then, meet up in the middle but this the Samsung Galaxy it is it's a foldable screen and if you're if you're looking at just right you can see. Freeze in the middle of the screen you know, um and that and and the fact that I don't have as much control over the notifications that it gives me, are the only real downsides that the camera the lack of control over notifications and that little crease in the middle of the screen, are the downsides to this phone but I I like having a flip phone it's, I've always wanted to I wanted to flip phone I was seriously considering getting rid of my smartphone to get a flip phone at one point because I was like I just I just want to flip phone I just I want to go back to a flip phone and tell ya. So now I have a flip phone.

Pastor Newms:

[14:49] Yeah yeah and it's not gimmicky.

Pastor Bill:

[14:52] As you were saying you were saying you know I don't understand why you got a gimmick phone and I was like give it phone has a flip phone come on man what don't you understand about this, it’s a flip phone.

Pastor Newms:

[15:04] That's the gimmick they even put it in the name.

Pastor Bill:

[15:09] And they put it in the name.

Pastor Newms:

[15:10] Which is fine to each their own my phone is gimmicky the note, and it's a gimmick because it plainly says note it comes with a pen and you can write on it I mean Samsung is not, super original with their naming conventions let's be honest it's like Galaxy because that's kind of cool and then it's like.

Pastor Bill:

[15:35] Scribe.

Pastor Newms:

[15:36] Edit it's like note.

Pastor Bill:

[15:37] The Galaxy scribe comes with a stylus.

Pastor Newms:

[15:40] So

Pastor Bill:

[15:44] I bet they're going to come out with Galaxy scroll and it's going to be a completely rollable phone a roll it up.

Pastor Newms:

[15:50] There is actually they're working on come like little like. They're not good yet but they do their screens that completely roll up and plug into stuff you know.

Pastor Bill:

[16:07] I saw a video of a TV in Japan at an expo we're just roll up the whole TV I use roll it up.

Pastor Newms:

[16:12] The bend yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[16:16] Carrie where you want to go and I didn't roll it leaned up against the wall plug it in and start watching TV.

Pastor Newms:

[16:22] Yep.

Pastor Bill:

[16:25] The only hard part was the ports you know to plug devices.

Pastor Newms:

[16:29] Because they have to be the downside I struggle with the curved screens that are becoming popular, the edges because they mess with my peripheral vision actually give me headaches if I use them, so I have two monitors that do a perfect rack and your brain goes your brain goes those are two monitors because they're flat but once you curve them your brain goes, is this reality and you're like no stop getting nauseous we're not actually on a Starship flying through the air upside down I think we might be know, we're not calm down no we're sick now.

Pastor Bill:

[17:08] I think we might be I think we.

Pastor Newms:

[17:10] We're sick now okay we're sick now.

Pastor Bill:

[17:14] It's like me with VR Gerg has a VR headset and I can play um beat saber with it no problem, you just turn it on and and the menu pops up and it's just the menu and it's mostly static there's a little bit of movement I lose all sense of. Balance all sense of what's the word the thing your inner ear does equilibrium. Anyway I lose everything and I just start falling as straight fall over. My brain can't process what's going on I just I completely lose everything I'm just like don't come grab anything because I can tell I'm going down but.

Pastor Newms:

[18:05] The worst the worst for me is the the VR makes me sick makes me very nauseous try to play Doom VR and that was a very very bad idea, but the planetariums zooming through space and it's all around you that sets my nausea, to the 9th degree and I end up being out for the rest of the day the last time it happened someone actually gave me nausea and, vertigo medicine to calm me down because I was so sick and nauseous, so I don't deliver planetariums anymore I figured I'd give it a shot because I'm old now and now it just got worse I used to just get headaches I have no longer at the headache stage the big big screens do it too you know your bigger movie theaters can cause that too.

Pastor Bill:

[19:01] Oh man the IMAX.

Pastor Newms:

[19:03] Yes from Tamil thank you IMAX.

Pastor Bill:

[19:04] Yeah I cannot do the IMAX I went to an IMAX to watch a Harry Potter once because the, the museum was doing this special thing with you know how Harry Potter how real science in the real world can reproduce the things you seen are something like that you know and then we wash one of the movies I couldn't do it it made me so sick.

[19:29] Yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[19:29] Yeah no.

Pastor Bill:

[19:31] Alright so that was our weeks now it's time for getting to know the pastor.

Pastor Newms:

[19:36] I was really hoping because you hadn't brought it up yet I was really hoping you completely forgot yeah I know I thought I was lucky.

Pastor Bill:

[19:45] Okay here we go if you could undo one moment and your life.

Pastor Newms:

[20:09] I can't think of anything because everything that's happened in my past, is so developmentally important even the traumas I think they're all important, even the huge mistakes that I've made in stuff without them I would not be where I am and be who I am, I often think back when asked questions like this to the movie Butterfly Effect I don't know if you've ever seen, it's a weird movie fair warning if you were to go look it up it's not something I would condone for all people I like it but that's me. But every time he tries to change one event he gets back to the present and it's just like, the world is completely different because the series of events that happened because of it. So yeah but it is a good movie and one.

Pastor Bill:

[21:09] Good movie Ashton Kutcher.

Pastor Newms:

[21:10] One of my favorite actors is in it the the larger gentleman who's his college roommate. And it's really funny some of the things that happens to will some of it's very sad but one of the times he goes back and he comes back and the guy is like a juggalo, and it's like uh looks why are you wearing clown makeup and sitting in the corner homey like what is wrong with you dude like what happened to you who hurt you and then they go into it and it doesn't end well but, you know it's interesting to see you know these are the things that are changed because you did one thing, seriously my camera is like not able to zoom in my face today I don't know what it is, every little movement.

Pastor Bill:

[22:01] Don't you hate that you rearrange stuff and you're like what did I change specifically that's causing this problem.

Pastor Newms:

[22:08] Is it cuz my shirt is green and is it cuz I tried to turn the Christmas lights on and that was unbearable it was so bright. Okay.

Pastor Bill:

[22:25] Yeah I can't think of anything I would change you there that's that's um yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[22:27] I don't I don't I don't I don't think things like that will ever turn out correctly maybe because of that movie that made every when I was younger cemented that in my mind.

Pastor Bill:

[22:40] Movie soured soured time travel.

Pastor Newms:

[22:42] Do not go back in the past and trying to change an event it will not work out how you think. Tina said she can't actually watch because it's zooming in and out so much it's making her nauseated.

Pastor Bill:

[22:57] Oh no.

Pastor Newms:

[22:59] So she's sitting in their coloring and not looking up.

Pastor Bill:

[23:03] That's an awful I'm sorry Sadie.

Pastor Newms:

[23:05] I'll try to sit perfectly still because it's only when I move so which not moving is something I am not good at.

Pastor Bill:

[23:14] Right.

Pastor Newms:

[23:15] So weird I can't say.

Pastor Bill:

[23:20] Asceticism.

Pastor Newms:

[23:21] I'm not going to try I have I I tried to say it several times earlier and even in me stumbling with just me in the room I gave up trying to say it so I'ma let you say it every time and I'm not going to.

Pastor Bill:

[23:44] Lost the scripture where that where the word is actually used where is it.

Pastor Newms:

[23:56] So lady asked how I knew she was coloring, and that's because if you're not paying attention to the screen that's all you, would be doing because you're not on the device right now cuz you're talking to us you don't have apps open so. You're either coloring drawing or doing art so coloring was the easiest of those three so I took it took a step yeah Biggs it's real hard my foot is tapping, a crazy amount to try to keep my upper body sitting still for this just saying.

Pastor Bill:

[24:39] All right we're going to start in Colossians chapter 2 and we're going to read verses eight through 23. Here we go all right, be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition. Based on the elements of the world rather than Christ, for the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily in Christ and you have been filled by him who is the head over every ruler and Authority, you were also circumcised any him with a circumcision not done with hands by putting off the body of Flesh in the circumcision of Christ when you were buried with him in baptism in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead, and when you were dead in trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh he made you alive with him and forgave us all our trespasses, he erased the certificate of death with its obligations that was against us and opposed to us and has taken it away by nailing it to the cross, he disarmed the rulers and authorities and disgrace them publicly he triumphed over them in him, therefore this is the meat of why we're in collusion. Don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day, these are a shadow of what was to come the substance is Christ let no one can dim You by delighting in ascetic practices asceticism. And the worship of angels claiming access to a Visionary realm such people are inflated by empty Notions of their unspiritual mind, he doesn't hold onto the head from whom the whole body nourished and held together by his ligaments and tendons grows with growth from God. If you died with Christ to the elements of this world, why do you live as if you still belong to the world why do you submit to regulations don't handle don't taste don't touch, all these regulations refer to what is destined to perish by being used up they are human commands and doctrines, although these have a reputation for wisdom by promoting self-made religion false humility and severe treatment of the body they are not of any value in curbing self-indulgence. So asceticism or ascetic practices is to deny yourself of something because you think that something is bad or Unholy or Pagan or, yada yada yada right.

Pastor Newms:

[28:00] Yeah and I like how the other translations translate that word. Which is voluntary humility and it, it doesn't grasp the term correctly because it's actually three different, Greek words and they like in the KJV they just made it those two words but they are not small words. Well in is cuz that's of but the other two are very heavy words and so it's interesting that the CSB chooses. What it chooses and the other ones what they choose but it definitely is those types of practices. It's what it's talking about when you look at the Greek that is. Very large one of the words is a compound word that's like that long.

Pastor Bill:

[29:20] Tap enough real soon a tap enough Rose Whitney.

Pastor Newms:

[29:28] So yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[29:36] All right. So there's every year there's always this debate. The Pagan tree thing that people throw at a lot you know.

Pastor Newms:

[29:53] That one.

Pastor Bill:

[29:54] No why why would we bring in a tree you know and have these paying in Traditions in our home and and that it ended and I'm you know I'm right there with you I get it I understand that you know it's a pagan tradition that we're carrying on and then Halloween is more of a holy tradition that we've then made Pagan and, which most people don't talk about that one except for me. And I get that I see where your I see we're coming through that. And I kind of want to address two different things in this same conversation okay so we've got the holiday, conversations going on about well we don't do that we don't we don't have a Christmas tree we don't celebrate those Pagan things, well I mean good for you if that's how you feel convicted but let's let's talk about this and at the same time I want to talk about, the movement of the Torah observant Christians, that is gaining all kinds of steam and you get more and more people that become Torah observant meaning they they claim Christ but then at the same time, they live their lives attempting to keep the law as given to Moses. And so they have this whole thing going on where they're this Torah observant Christian so in this in these scriptures that we're going to look at we're going to address both. The Torah observant issue and that it's okay to have a Christmas tree. This is our goal.

Pastor Newms:

[31:52] Whether it's green or black yes.

Pastor Bill:

[31:54] What is green or black or pink or yellow blue yellow Christmas tree.

Pastor Newms:

[31:56] Every time.

Pastor Bill:

[32:00] LOL lagging so much fun.

Pastor Newms:

[32:02] The continue.

Pastor Bill:

[32:09] Well lady says um did I miss something from the Halloween episode Halloween is a holy tradition, so Halloween is steeped in holy traditions it's a lot of Celebrations by the church celebrating Martyrs and those that have done saintly works and it's even the word Halloween is a play off of Hallows Eve it's the the evening before a sacred day and so it's preparing to go into a holy time yeah you must have missed something, because we talked about all this unless I've missed something.

Pastor Newms:

[32:59] You didn't. You touched on it but not as far as what you just said of the fact of it being Halo hallowed which is Halloween.

Pastor Bill:

[33:11] Handled yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[33:13] But you did you you grazed over the fact that it is a. More of a Catholic tradition of the celebration of the Saints which is where we get All Saints Day from but.

Pastor Bill:

[33:30] We don't get it from them but it was recognized by them, and adopted as an official Catholic holiday some things to get some things that Catholics make up and we can say oh that's the Catholic tradition some things, they just adapted and officially recognized and Saints All Saints Day is one of those that they just adapt adopted. Okay so. We're going to talk about the Torah observant thing and in addressing that with scripture this is going to pave the way for talking about why it's okay to have a Christmas tree, so first we're going to turn to Matthew chapter 5 I've and we're going to look at verses 17 through 18. Okay for the for the remainder of this evening I'm probably not going to turn in my Bible every time because I literally typed these out in a Word document earlier, um so I have them already written right there so forgive me for not taking the time to turn to them in my actual Bible but I did that earlier so Matthew chapter 5 verses 17 through 18, this is Jesus talking and he says don't think that I came to abolish the law or the prophets, I did not come to abolish but to fulfill for truly I tell you until Heaven and Earth pass away not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished or in the King James there the word is fulfilled until all things are. No way no that's right no it is King James says fulfill.

Pastor Newms:

[35:30] It's accomplished in the csb in the nasby and it is fulfilled in the KJV.

Pastor Bill:

[35:35] Sure make sure I was getting confused, okay so this is one of those verses that the Torah observant people bring up and they say you see you see has Heaven and Earth passed away yet has it, has Heaven and Earth passed away well no obviously haven't heard of hasn't passed away well there you go that means you still have to keep the law, Jesus didn't come to abolish the law he came he came and he told us that the law was going to stand until Heaven and Earth pass away I'm like yeah he he kind of said that but he actually said, he didn't come to a boss you but to fulfill it and then on the back end of that statement he says, I'm gonna fulfill it it needs to be fulfilled it has to be accomplished and the whole Heaven and Earth pass away thing, was a reference to this Jewish idea, of Heaven and Earth being temporary and going to be replaced later which is a Christian belief we have and the Book of Revelations the old Habit in the old Earth passed away I knew having a new Arthur created and that's where we spend eternity is on that new Earth. Um hey, he's tying it into this this idea and then saying the law has to be fulfilled, it has to be accomplished well the law required a sacrifice for sin ever so often there were sacrifices all the time it wasn't like once a year it was once a year but it was like, often they were doing these sacrifices. Everything from just sprinkling blood onto a goat and then sending it off into the Wilderness to down its own to actually slaughtering the goats goats the Lambs slaughtered many lambs all right so then, we're going to jump forward okay now we're going to be in John chapter 19, verses 28 through 30 okay and this is Jesus on the cross Jesus is literally, he's got Nail In His Hands a nail in his feet he's hanging on the cross he's got um, a crown of thorns on his head he's lost he's got chunks of his beard ripped out he's back is so torn up that he's, these I'm not saying that it says he has bone sticking out but there's no way he didn't have ribs exposed to the open air, it goes so far the Bible goes so far as to say that he was so beaten and so bruised that he wasn't recognizable as a human being anymore he was a lump of Flesh and Bone hanging on a cross. It says after this when Jesus knew, then everything was now finished that the scripture might be fulfilled he said right so he's saying this, to finish fulfilling the prophecies that were made as the only reason he's saying this I'm thirsty, a Jar full of sour wine was sitting there so they fixed a sponge full of sour wine on a hyssop branch now this is myrrh and vinegar that's how they make sour wine, they take the oil myrrh and they mix it with vinegar and it will quench your thirst but it's going to make you feel sick to your stomach and it's like a, I got backhanded, type of favor when the they're being crucified and you give them this myrrh mix of vinegar it quenches The Thirst but then it adds to the suffering that they're going through hell up his mouth, when Jesus received the sour wine he said it is finished what was finished Newms. It what's the aunt of his of this. Everything was now finished that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Pastor Newms:

[39:48] Everything that the world the world ended at that moment it is finished oh.

Pastor Bill:

[39:54] This is the fulfilling of the law. This is the moment that the law is now fulfilled this is the finished what is finished the Fulfillment of the law is now finished. It's finished the fulfill the law has been fulfilled the sacrificial lamb has been sacrificed the law has been fulfilled there's no longer a need, for the Torah to be followed. In order to have righteousness I just heard thousands of people gasp at that statement.

Pastor Newms:

[40:34] No not really.

Pastor Bill:

[40:34] Um not really so Howard how we're gonna we're gonna step forward to Romans chapter 7 wow I'm just my mouse is. Seven. Verses four through six okay. Is this Paul obviously writing to the Romans therefore my brothers and sisters you were also put to death in relation to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another okay we will put to death in relation to the law we died. You belong to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God for when we were in the flesh the sinful passions aroused through the law were working in us to bear fruit for death, but now we have been released from the law, since we have died to what held us so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not in the old letter of the law, Paul's very clear here. You wait you can go back and read Romans 70 talks about the law is only and in existence over someone until you die once you die,

you're not held accountable to the law anymore because you're dead so if the law says you can't park your car there, the law doesn't apply at the law about parking doesn't apply to you anymore when you're dead because you're dead right. That is probably not a great analogy but.

Pastor Newms:

[42:30] It's not because I'm trying to think how that would fit into the zombie apocalypse and that's just not working out for for the analogy so.

Pastor Bill:

[42:38] Palm Beach don't drive cars. He also goes on to talk about, that the law wasn't necessarily sin in it of itself but that sin took advantage of the law and when the law said do not covet because coveting is bad for you then sin, took the it took advantage of tempting people to then covet, um in response to the law about coveting being given okay, now we are going to go to Galatians chapter 2, verses 11 through 21 and this is another one that the Torah observant like to pull out. And they quote this this one part here, I'll bring it up when we get to it but it says but when Kate first okay this is Peter and, there's a couple reasons why it was written canvas instead of Peter here and they're all political and a church, Church politics stuff but it's Peter Kate and that's his real name Kansas came to Antioch I opposed him to his face because he stood condemned for he regularly ate with the Gentiles before certain men came from James, James is actually leading the church right now so Peter let it for a while Peter was too much of a loose cannon supposed to go over for a while and, Paul ultimately that wasn't where he was supposed to be and then James you know the half-brother of Jesus his dick over and led for, who knows how long. Um however when they came he withdrew and separated himself because he feared those from the circumcision party so Peter stopped hanging out with the Gentiles and doing Ministry to the Gentiles when, James the leader of the church sent people to go meet with Peter, because he didn't want to be seen spending time and doing Ministry to those who weren't circumcised, the rest of the Jews joined his hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy at Barnabas he's a follower man he's just Paul and Barnabas in the jail cell Paul is like we're going to praise the Lord we're gonna be said for any bottoms is like yeah, bottoms is around Peter Peters like we're not going to hang out with the Gentiles when the people from James are here in Barnabas it's like yeah bottom this is up he's a hype man he's a follower. Um but when I saw that they were deviating from the truth of the Gospel I told caphis remember that speech. This is what the tour people like to quote if you who are a Jew, live like a gentile and not like a Jew how can you compel gentiles, to live like juice and they say if you who are Christian who follow the law follow the who love the Lord. Live like Gentiles and don't keep Torah that how can you compel, Gentiles to become Christians this is ants okay so he reads on we read only says we are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners, and yet because we know that a person is not justified by The Works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, I mean you get no justification by following the law if you had a if you're just continue reading on, um even we ourselves have believed in Christ Jesus this was so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by The Works of the law Because by the works of the law, no human being will be justified by Christ is Christ then I promoter of sin absolutely not, if I rebuild those things that I tore down I show myself to be a lawbreaker for through the law I died to the law, so that I might live for God now Paul likes to pull out these confusing things and I think he does it on purpose just to get us thinking but what he's saying is, for through the law right so Christ fulfilled the law through Christ fulfilling the law I died to the law. I believe that's what he's saying there so that I might live forgot I have been crucified with Christ, this is this is why I think he's saying that you know he goes on to say I've been crucified with Christ and I no longer live but Christ lives in me the life I now live in the body I live by faith in the Son of God Who Loved Me, and gave himself for me, I did I do not set aside the grace of God and this is the part that I wish the Torah observant would continue reading on to right they stopped at the if you who are a Jew live like a gentile they stop there, continue reading on here in verse 21 for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing I've even heard them say. You guys claim that by keeping the law we're making Christ's sacrifice mute, and I'm like yeah Paul said that too, it's right there Galatians chapter 2 verse 21. Okay and then the next scripture I had in my layout was the Colossians that we read about. The the big point was the ascetic practices let no one condemned You by delighting in ascetic practices and the worship of angels climbing access to a Visionary Realm, right so we just read about the law dying to the law and, the law being fulfilled and now we live in the spirit of Christ listen, if you're dragging a Christmas tree into your house and putting shiny balls on it in order to worship your ancestors and cast visions of the future for the next year and actually carry out Pagan rituals then yeah you might have a problem but if you're just celebrating Christmas because it's culturally. What your culture does then no you're not doing anything wrong there, you're not because we died to the law we're no longer held to this this ideal of, don't even make it look like you're participating in that just the opposite Paul says. First Corinthians chapter 10. That's verse 31 through chapter oh my goodness in, verse 31 through 11, verse 1 why they decided to start the next chapter in for the last sentence of a paragraph.

Pastor Newms:

[50:31] Bill is frozen so I will speak why they decided to end chapter 11 on. The end of a chapter and of a thought is very odd as bill is frozen so I will read the scripture starting and. Corinthians verse 31 there it comes okay so the vert the verse is so whether you eat or drink or whatever you do do everything for the glory of God give no offense to Jews or Greeks or the Church of God just as, I also try to please everyone in everything.

Pastor Bill:

[51:18] Once everything.

Pastor Newms:

[51:20] Seeking my own benefit but the benefit of many so that, so they may be saved and then 11:1 is imitate me as I imitate Christ and then it then it that actually completes the thought because then in verse 2 he says now which shows that, he's now starting a new thought and now bill is back with us after I've read the scripture and talked about why did they end it in the middle of a paragraph like you started before you froze like this.

Pastor Bill:

[51:53] Correct so this goes into Paul's idea of yeah I was going good this goes into Paul's idea of, um when I'm in Rome I'm a Roman when I'm with the Jews I'm a Jew when I'm in Corinth I'm a you know I'm a Corinthian, he talks about I don't want to offend any when I want to please everyone because the don't want myself to get in the way of the Gospel right so, if you are around people that celebrate Kwanzaa. Celebrate Kwanzaa if you're around a community of Jewish people and they're celebrating Hanukkah celebrate Hanukkah. Right in Romans chapter 12. It's 12 verse 15. It says Rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep to people around your rejoicing or having the celebration celebrate with them. Bye.

Pastor Newms:

[53:09] Huh.

Pastor Bill:

[53:10] Be all things to all people celebrate. Well I don't want to pick up those traditions for my family okay then don't. The problem comes when you go out and you say well because I don't I'm better than you. Or because I don't you shouldn't or because I don't I look down on you that's where the problem lies the problem doesn't lie with you celebrating or not celebrating with in your home. Where you're in private where no one can see that's not where the problem lies I'm not here to tell you do or don't have a Christmas tree that's not the whole point. That wouldn't be called Mary asceticism as the name of the episode that would be called Mary don't have a Christmas tree or Merry Christmas tree or something you know what the Sam's was. Right all right do you have anything else you want to add to this before I pull out the last scripture I was going to pull out you wanted to talk about in Timothy right.

Pastor Newms:

[54:23] Yeah so in Timothy 6 1st Timothy 6 starting I'm not going to read all of it because of time because it's a lengthy chapter but if we start in verse. 10 is where a lot of people point to certain things, verse 10 is where we get the thought of.

Pastor Bill:

[54:49] 10 through.

Pastor Newms:

[54:57] 19 20 22 I don't know somewhere around there there isn't actually a 22 it ends at 21 just so everyone is aware I was joking so.

Pastor Bill:

[55:08] I'm usually very exact and newms is kind of like yeah I threw a water balloon and whatever it hit it hit.

Pastor Newms:

[55:15] All important so just read the chapter and then we'll get there so in verse 10 it talks about For the Love of Money is the root of all kinds of evil and by craving it some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs but you man of God flee from these things and pursue righteousness godliness Faith love endurance and gentleness and then it talks about fighting the good fight, and it talks about the a couple other things and we talked about Jesus and Pontius Pilate and we get down too. Verse 15 and 16 where you know God brings all this upon his time and then we get down to 17 and it's it's this is one of those situations where Paul starts a thought and then, oh look squirrel and then comes back to the thought, end up hey look squirrel is also very good but I'm just skipping it for this due to time.

Pastor Bill:

[56:12] Hall squirrels are always good Paul.

Pastor Newms:

[56:14] He's got great squirrel.

Pastor Bill:

[56:15] All never met a squirrel that wasn't awesome.

Pastor Newms:

[56:17] And he wrote all of them down which is why we don't have all of his writings in the Bible or else it would be, way too big because he he saw lots of squirrels and wrote to everyone about them which is great in 17 it says instruct those who are rich in the present age not to be arrogant or to set their hopes on the uncertainty of wealth but on God who richly provides us, all things to enjoy instruct them to do good to be rich in good works and to be generous and willing to share storing up Treasures for themselves as a good foundation for the coming age so that they may take hold of what it, what is truly life and then he, ends in 20 and 21 talking about Timothy being good and continuing because that's the end of the book so it's basically him saying bye, but the important part there that I that we actually used as the title card and what I was looking at when I was looking a lot of people do the whole money is evil, and you're like no no that's not what the Bible says the Bible says the Love of Money the is the root of evil because it leads people astray it's not that money in and of itself is evil and. I've argued that point lots of times just that verse and I know I've read it, but I had forgotten 17 which then talks about. You know those who are rich don't be arrogant and set their hope of don't set their hope upon wealth but on God because that's where a lot of people struggle, when they are wealthy is arrogance it's not that the wealth is bad it's the arrogance that comes with it that's so easy because you stopped looking towards God because you're providing for yourself, and then it talks about provides us with all things to enjoy and what's important about that to me is there's a lot of people that are like well if you have anything you should give it all up and a lot of people are the legalistic types that, Billiam was speaking of earlier that you know want to follow the Torah or want to follow you know different aspects of Old Testament law or some of them pick and choose which Old Testament laws they enjoy but they were like.

Pastor Bill:

[58:43] Hey if you want to build your moral code based off of the law of the Old Testament cool but don't don't claim and preach that it's the key to righteousness for yourself and those around you.

Pastor Newms:

[58:54] Yeah and don't judge others on it but it plainly says here Paul says, it's not hey you should have done this you could have done that you could have God does provide us with things to enjoy and I think that's, something especially with the term for today which is.

Pastor Bill:

[59:26] Asceticism.

Pastor Newms:

[59:27] Their belief the you know the full belief is you know you separate yourself from everything worldly including a lot of possessions and things and then there's the one step after that which is of course becoming a monk which starts with an m and, it's even more complicated it's Monasceticism.

Pastor Bill:

[59:53] Monasceticism.

Pastor Newms:

[59:54] Monasticism and that's where we get like monasteries and things like that and then another term for asceticism is self-denial you know and things like that but Paul plainly instructs us here to enjoy what God has given us not to. Hold it in arm's length and not enjoy it and so I find it very interesting that a lot of people use, and we all see this where people use a particular one verse and say hey look Paul says this but when you look at it as a whole Paul's talking about multiple things, and and so I think that's something we really have to look at, as a whole when it comes to the Timothy 6 and that's what I wanted to bring up with this is don't deny yourself, the pleasures of life that God has provided for us even if it's the little things like you know, a Christmas tree or giving your kids presents you know it's not a it's not going to stop your, religious beliefs and invalidate your salvation as some people want to teach so that's all I wanted to say and then bill can continue with his last scripture.

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:15] All right last scripture is Philippians poor.

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:20] Oops I went to Philemon that's not correct.

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:23] Four through seven.

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:23] The wrong p.

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:25] Rejoice in the lord always I'll say it again rejoice, let your graciousness be known to everyone the Lord is near don't worry about anything but in everything, through prayer and petition with Thanksgiving present your requests to God and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and Minds in Christ Jesus this ties back to what we were talking about before we were talking about, mind your own business and and Worship the Lord right yeah I use that word again that you don't like, not intentionally that's just how it comes out when I talk rejoice in the lord always, don't worry about how your neighbor is rejoicing you rejoice in the Lord if your neighbor invites you over. Didn't Rejoice with them right, Paul talks about he there was a verse about eating meat in the marketplace and a lot of people weren't eating the meat because it was it was slaughtered while he was being blessed to a false god, Frank and he didn't and Paul said don't worry about that eat the meat, it's fine because everything that you have and you call Holy is Holy it's not defiled by their actions, your life is controlled by your actions not the actions of someone else, if they're doing whatever ceremony as part of their religion or whatever that's not you doing that even if your present you're not the one doing that they are you're responsible for your actions, not theirs so be more loving. Just calm the heck down and find something to celebrate and rejoice.

Pastor Newms:

[1:03:36] At I had a funny thought. And when you were talking about rejoicing you know some people say that you know you take celebration too far. You know and no know that people like some people were like you take it too far that's that's what I mean.

Pastor Bill:

[1:03:58] I mean saturnalia is probably taking it too far but.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:01] There are some things that are taking it too far.

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:03] Personal opinion when murder is part of your celebration I think.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:07] Yeah you probably shouldn't do that it made me think of David dancing in the streets.

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:12] David dancing naked.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:14] He wasn't dancing naked his dancing showed his nakedness which is why you should always wear proper undergarments but.

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:23] Flash always gird your loins before you start dancing.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:26] We're proper undergarments but it just it brought that to my mind of hey you know celebrate rejoice and David's like I was like no not not that hard.

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:38] Understood the assignment.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:40] Your wife had to get onto you calm down and I think we've all been there where we celebrated too hard in our wife got on to us at least I have.

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:48] Europe life.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:49] Hey.

Pastor Bill:

[1:04:51] Your reward that you one for killing a giant ever really loved.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04:55] Hey you know it happens you kill a giant get a wife it's like a game show.

Pastor Bill:

[1:05:01] Kill a giant - get a wife don't gotta pay taxes your family doesn't have to pay taxes this is a good deal either I die in order to pay taxes anymore or I survived and I don't want to pay taxes anymore and I get a wife.

Pastor Newms:

[1:05:13] But yeah that that's what it that's why I was chuckling to myself why you were talking was you were like go out celebrate not just saw David going we, yeah gird your loins wear underwear when you go out and celebrate but.

Pastor Bill:

We love you guys have a great week.

Pastor Newms:

Be safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 56 of the Berean Manifesto: Faith, Hope, and Love for the modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined, by a man who has pretty much had it with me today he is at his wits end of my Shenanigans today.

Pastor Newms:

[0:22] I am not, I'm good I'm good.

Pastor Bill:

[0:23] Pastor Newms all the way from the state of Tennessee he even had to throw on a Tennessee beanie,

to calm himself down we've been having a quite intense conversation most of the afternoon.

Pastor Newms:

[0:46] It was an intense it was intense all afternoon just part of the afternoon. And I took my meds let's.

Pastor Bill:

[0:57] I took my meds.

Pastor Newms:

[0:59] No I'm saying let's be clear because there are times when that's a valid question when I get the mood.

Pastor Bill:

[1:04] Take my meds right it all right so how was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:

[1:33] I did play satisfactory Christmas came out. Yeah, it came out twice it came out they pulled it because it wasn't ready and then they put it back out the next day which was only like a couple hours later I and I worked a bunch. But there wasn't anything eventful the kids are still here we're all in quarantine no one else has gotten sick so beginning of next week everyone is out of quarantine. Not much.

Pastor Bill:

[2:15] I'm because all right we wrapped up a story arc in Star Trek and then went into the events that aren't really that crucial from my personal opinion unless you're you know want to, grind a bunch of hostiles which Pastor Newms likes to do, I like to use it as kind of a Down time in between story arcs because I'm all about the story arc stories in in games I like the stuff that you're doing for a reason discuss story behind it's not, do this to get stronger it's do this because they did this and you need to give them you know you need to take revenge on these dogs you know I like it storyline, um and, my I got my car towed to a different shop because the first shop said the problems you have or too intense for our shop, don't actually pull apart engine blocks to do repairs, so you're going to take this to a dealership so we took you to the dealership the dealership was like yeah our standard diagnostic isn't intense enough for what your problem is we're actually gonna have to do the special Diagnostic and that was the last I heard, so Yeah other than that we went to a Christmas parade yesterday that was fun indicator on the Decatur square the Christmas parade indicator has gotten much much longer than back in the day when I was in marching band, um what year is it right now 2021 so we're talking, 21 years ago I graduated from high school the parade has gotten much bigger I marched in that parade for times and it was never that big 20 years ago it was much smaller, most of the floats were handing out candy and well float.

Pastor Newms:

[4:14] Were they and where.

Pastor Bill:

[4:14] Monster trucks and floats and.

Pastor Newms:

[4:17] Were they handing out candy.

Pastor Bill:

[4:19] No they weren't handing out candy at all I was gonna get to that, and all but one float or one entry into the parade they have just looked ecstatic to be there they were super happy there was there was only one float that wasn't happy and, as what's say we won't talk about that on the air I just wanted it to be known that that most of the floats were just full of happy people and having a great time and no they weren't handing out candy they were chunking candy into the audience.

Pastor Newms:

[4:54] Oh okay.

Pastor Bill:

[4:55] In the head six different times.

Pastor Newms:

[4:59] Mmm.

Pastor Bill:

[5:00] Zero throughout the course of this parade is our long parade three of those however was all from one float and I was like I give up I give up, the candles anymore.

Pastor Newms:

[5:14] Stop hitting me in the head.

Pastor Bill:

[5:15] Hit me in the head with candy most people were just throwing it at the ground at our feet and it would slide a good amount of with slide under the barrier right in front of us, so that was but it was good it was a really good parade and there were as a bat brain yelled on Twitch most rude, I was probably a good I don't know seven or eight monster trucks they came rolling through honking their horns and revving their engines and read it over.

Pastor Newms:

[5:41] Now where they where they really monster trucks or was it just we live in the country so jacked up trucks are a big thing.

Pastor Bill:

[5:49] No they were genuine like I've seen some battle damage and I've got big tires and I'm built to too bad with other cars monster trucks it was.

Pastor Newms:

[6:01] Just checking cuz I know you know.

Pastor Bill:

[6:05] I think one of them had a sign said it was from Weatherford or something like they weren't even local they were just you know coming to be a part of the parade which is cool, um I was fine and then there's a drive-through like display here in Decatur this year called radiance. We didn't know if they were going to charge her for is free and we assumed it was going to charge but we didn't know how much so we pull up to the Little Shack we were like how much is it, and they were like well it's only $30 to get in, but you can also for 20 extra dollars get a small bag of candy for each person in your car and hot cocoa and these cool little glasses see the lights as special shapes, and Roxanne look at me and she was like what do you think and I was like I don't want to pay twenty dollars for a bag of candy I think that and she was like yeah I don't think we're gonna do tonight so into labor were like how do we get out and they were like, I don't know how do you get out and so they had to call their manager and and they were like go this way and the measure walked with the car and was like, yeah we got so many cars coming in right now why don't you just go on to go on through just just go on so we got to go through the, 30 dollar light display for free which was cool, it would actually wasn't that bad it wasn't $30 worth but if they've been charging in like 20 bucks I'd say it was Charlie was you know charged correctly it was it was that level of amount of lights and.

Pastor Newms:

[7:36] It was good but it wasn't 30 dollar good.

Pastor Bill:

[7:39] Right it was good but it wasn't 30 dollar good at one point there were these three spiders and it was like spiders why are there infinite was like I love the spiders and we were like okay yeah that I get now what they included spiders kids are awesome.

Pastor Newms:

[7:54] So I did forget Nissan the Nissan plant here did a thing where you could go to and it was all kinds of lights and they had our stuff and, cookies and all that kind of stuff and my Biggs took the girls there and it was, lights at a factory which was cool I did forget about that I didn't go I had bad Chinese food.

Pastor Bill:

[8:22] Yeah so that was my week all right so on Twitter we've got the best 13:17 our friend groggy our little groggy we got a bat, my little groggy.

Pastor Newms:

[8:35] My little groggy my little groggy okay.

Pastor Bill:

[8:42] We've got a bat brain on Twitch we've got Biggs is joining us on Twitch I'm assuming that means that Mama Gloria is there with Biggs.

Pastor Newms:

[8:48] I don't know if I I don't know if I like Mama Gloria that sounds my mama's name is Gloria.

Pastor Bill:

[8:57] Mama she go mama.

Pastor Newms:

[8:59] Groggy Tales bouncing here and there and everywhere that's that works too.

Pastor Bill:

[9:05] It was a different song all together okay.

Pastor Newms:

[9:07] Okay I went with Gummy Bears.

Pastor Bill:

[9:09] I went to Dragon Tales.

Pastor Newms:

[9:11] Oh oh okay.

Pastor Bill:

[9:16] Hey stop talking about your mother-in-law saying she's weird Zaydiee that's not cool Zaydiees with us on Twitch, hiya Bat-Brain reminded me we had a date an anniversary date my 16th anniversary was this weekend, are this week yes we are joined by rain on Discord and Phoenix is joining us in the Discord as well, but yeah my anniversary was this week and we tried to have an awesome date indicator, you really did we try to go to Aurora to go to a place called Martian Margaritas which, you know something fun it's an alien, thing there's no little sachet of aliens and it's all built around the Aurora alien story from the 1800's about a, crashed alien ship and this little one of the greys little alien met the townsfolk and and then he tried to leave and they shot his ship down and then he's supposedly buried over and Aurora um about 15 minutes away from my home and so we try to go there but they had closed early, and we rely and then we went to the barbecue place that's right there with it just a little hole-in-the-wall place and they were like we're sold out we're closing up shop now early ourselves because, we had such a rush we're sold out of all of our Meats. So let me try to go to Chili's and the chilies indicator is woefully understaffed right now so there was large crowds of people waiting outside and I okay fine we'll go to fuzzies on the square, got there and there was karaoke running and not good karaoke like this place is not designed for loud noises, karaoke and so.

Pastor Newms:

[11:10] Don't they have like mostly like metal everywhere so it would be a ton of reverberation in stuff.

Pastor Bill:

[11:16] It's like the concrete floor and the metal walls and then they've got that ornate 10 ceiling structure.

Pastor Newms:

[11:22] Yeah yeah okay so it's the same as the other fuzzy so it's not yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[11:32] Um and yeah so that was added an anniversary date this year I've been married for 16 years, about that all right well.

Pastor Newms:

[11:48] There's some time.

Pastor Bill:

[11:51] What that's that's time that's sometime.

Pastor Newms:

[11:52] That's time we're getting old.

Pastor Bill:

[11:56] Mmm Yeah I mean.

Pastor Newms:

[11:58] That's how time works typically.

Pastor Bill:

[12:01] That is how time works to.

Pastor Newms:

[12:03] Unless you're Merlin.

Pastor Bill:

[12:05] Okay we won't tonight we are talking about.

Pastor Newms:

[12:26] I think it's cuz we sang the theme song so it's um.

Pastor Bill:

[12:32] So he switched over.

Pastor Newms:

[12:32] Now.

Pastor Bill:

[12:34] I got you yeah so this tonight we're talking about morality and, it's going to be it's going to be a fun night we're going to have fun Newms hates that we talked about this as often as we do, either there's someone listening that needs to hear this conversation or it keeps coming up, I need to hear some learn something or Newms needs somebody needs to learn something because I keep getting prompted to talk about this and I'm not, immune to needing to learn things so it could very well be that Pastor Bill is the one, needs to be hearing about this conversation over and over again so we'll see or we may not see but anyway alright so it is time.

Pastor Newms:

[13:24] Dude if we talk about it it just a little bit of time again.

Pastor Bill:

[13:27] And it's time for getting to know the pastors and pastor newms already had his card pulled and what does it say pastor newms.

Pastor Newms:

[13:38] Interesting if you could be anywhere in the world world for New Year's Eve this year where would you want, where where would you most want to be.

Pastor Bill:

[14:03] Anywhere in the world all.

Pastor Newms:

[14:06] And groggy is in two places because he wants to be here.

Pastor Bill:

[14:11] Groggy wants to be with you for New Year's Eve.

Pastor Newms:

[14:13] And you know groggy that could actually probably happen if you're wanting to be with us for New Year's Eve just.

Pastor Bill:

[14:22] Beef New Year's Eve.

Pastor Newms:

[14:22] Hit up Zaydiee because you know I don't plan things so talk to her I personally my favorite place to be New Year's would be, right here at my computer because that's where I like spending most holidays but. There's I don't like to travel a lot rain would like to be given a castle and a fire-breathing dragon and then be there.

Pastor Bill:

[15:07] I have no special place I'd like to be.

Pastor Newms:

[15:11] I think you should come to Tennessee to we can all just be here for New Year's it's an expensive driver though.

Pastor Bill:

[15:22] Everything's expensive travels, breathing is expensive.

Pastor Newms:

[15:28] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[15:29] Phoenix says she wants to be with the doctor do you have a death wish.

Pastor Newms:

[15:33] You're not on not around holidays.

Pastor Bill:

[15:36] The doctor and holidays those are bad times to be.

Pastor Newms:

[15:41] Those are always sad I Don't Want to Be Right.

Pastor Bill:

[15:44] Cool Spacey stuff until some cool spaces Dove eats you, the doctors like I tried.

Pastor Newms:

[15:56] Because Phoenix has bad luck she would get eaten straight up like or just get left accidentally like oh we forgot about her, actually started.

Pastor Bill:

[16:14] I would probably get assimilated into a Cyberman who then got captured and turned into a Dalek and so I'd be just as horribly, disfigured and tortured Soul we're running around the Galaxy yelling assimilate or exterminate assimilate or exterminate just as long as something.

Pastor Newms:

[16:47] One of the little cyber mice you get turned into them.

Pastor Bill:

[16:50] Oh yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[16:50] Steve enough genetic material left to all right. Maura.

Pastor Bill:

[17:05] We didn't really get to know much about us buy that card but that's fine.

Pastor Newms:

[17:08] We didn't we didn't do you want another one.

Pastor Bill:

[17:11] Sure. How would I would end up with a hole in my forehead I would end up with the the snap in my the little porthole would open to suck up information.

Pastor Newms:

[17:31] What is the greatest lesson in life you have.

Pastor Bill:

[17:41] Um To put more effort into the relationships that I have while I have them, instead of later regretting not, saying yes to that certain thing not preferring someone else in that situation over myself, because all of my regrets all of my regrets stem from I was selfish in that scenario and it hurt that friend or I didn't do enough for that friend and that happened or. What about you Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:

[18:52] Compound interest is important. Yeah something that everyone should remember much more than we do.

Pastor Bill:

[19:12] Compound interest ruins lives.

Pastor Newms:

[19:16] And saves them.

Pastor Bill:

[19:19] If you're if you're lucky enough to get on the right end of that.

Pastor Newms:

[19:33] Is compound interest is more important than short-term gains sometimes.

Pastor Bill:

[19:42] Then he says what ah that was loud.

Pastor Newms:

[19:45] A nice.

Pastor Bill:

[19:46] Um I don't know what was that he saying what about Bizet he's saying what.

Pastor Newms:

[19:50] It's pricing what to what I said.

Pastor Bill:

[19:54] About compound interest.

Pastor Newms:

[19:56] Right cuz, it's both bad and good depending on like you said which side you're on.

Pastor Bill:

[20:10] Bad if you're the lender or if you're the the borrower good if you're the lender.

Pastor Newms:

[20:27] Compound interest is the interest that happens when you're getting interest on interest so if you have a bank account and you give an interest and you don't remove anything the next interest is compound interest, the on a loan if you don't make your payments correctly and when you're trying to pay off interest and then you're getting interest on interest so compound interest is can be painful or can be great.

Pastor Bill:

[21:05] Said he's like okay that's I just it's huge.

Pastor Newms:

[21:09] I said Never mind already.

Pastor Bill:

[21:11] Because I had never mind. All right so. Morality.

Pastor Newms:

[21:23] Let's start with the verse.

Pastor Bill:

[21:26] Let's start yeah let's started in Romans chapter 5, let's start in verse 12 put that in the chat Romans 5 verses 12 through, 13 the, silly goose all right therefore just as Sin entered the world through one man and death through sin in this way death spread to all people because all sinned, in fact sin was in the world before the law but sin is not charged to a person's account when there is no law, now Paul Paul has some, you know multi-sided things that are going on here in this conversation, because he says nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses even over those who did not send in the likeness of Adam's transgression he has a tap of the coming, but also if we go back to Romans chapter 2. That's romance to not 20 12 and we're looking at.

Pastor Newms:

[22:53] Twelve you can start at 11 technically and no because it starts with a for you want to start with a 4.

Pastor Bill:

[23:02] Twelve through, that yeah 16 because newms wants that 16 to be in there pretty bad so yeah you were advocating for that to be the actual scripture book.

Pastor Newms:

[23:21] No yeah you're right here right.

Pastor Bill:

[23:24] All who sin without the law will also perish without the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law for the hearers of the law are not righteous before God but the doers of the law will be justified, so when Gentiles who do not by Nature have the law do what the law demands they are a law to themselves even though they do not have the law, they show that the work of their love the law is written on their hearts, their Consciousness has confirmed this they're competing thoughts either accuse or even excuse them on the day when God judges, and what he's judging is because I split that when I should have put it in my the way I was reading it when God judges what people have kept, according to my gospel through Christ Jesus Paul Same Day Gospel he's preaching through Christ Jesus, and that's a big thing for policies he says it again later as you know if somebody comes and tries to teach you a gospel other than what I've brought you, then you need to flee their they're trying to trick you they're trying to lie to you either. So that's that's really confusing Pastor names you want to break that down for us he uses that word law several times back and forth and back and forth and so breakdown this, Romans 2 12 through 16 for us so we can understand what is Paul saying here, is he says he talking about one law to lost three lot what is he talking about.

Pastor Newms:

[25:03] So in this he's talking about at least two, basically the law that he's talking about, in the beginning is the law that was given to Moses so, the book books of the law so those who sin without the Bible, the books of the law those those five main books will perish without ever knowing those five books and those who, I have sinned under the law meaning they know the books and the they, will be judged by those books okay.

Pastor Bill:

[25:52] Okay so pause so you're saying when we get to the Judgment at the end and our life is laid out in front of us we're going to be judged by separate.

Pastor Newms:

[26:14] The hearers of the law are not righteous because we break it but the door the laws will be justified so to me the people who are trying, and in following the rules will be justified, and in that at the point we are now is also the third law which is the law under, Jesus which is the law that then can do justification because the books of the law cannot justify. The Gentiles who do not have the books of the law do what the law demands because that law was also written on their hearts and their Consciousness has, you know it's kind of that whole thing where there are you know most of the Ten Commandments it's not humans naturally know these are, good and bad right or wrong.

Pastor Bill:

[27:21] Find that play out all over the world every culture we find these basic.

Pastor Newms:

[27:26] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[27:28] Ten agreements that everyone can agree upon these things we should do.

Pastor Newms:

[27:35] Yeah aside from the ones specifically about God but yes the overall.

Pastor Bill:

[27:44] Side of being raised in a theistic Evangelical culture most people just naturally look at the heavens and go I yearn to know who made that.

Pastor Newms:

[28:00] I agree, and then you know when God judges he's going to judge based on what people kept secret so there's three laws that are talked about throughout their in my opinion of what each of those mean.

Pastor Bill:

[28:20] How you used the word justification now that is not the same thing as being found innocent. You can still be found guilty and then someone look at your actions and go yeah I understand why you did that, but you're still guilty so Justified justification doesn't mean you get a free pass it means.

Pastor Newms:

[28:47] So that the Greek word is a word.

Pastor Bill:

[28:51] Is it work.

Pastor Newms:

[28:53] Dik Al no I oh oh and it means to render just or innocent, so it's it's to regard as to make innocent the justification process is not hey you are innocent it is to make someone, or regard them as innocent.

Pastor Bill:

[29:20] Except we both know that what Paul actually means is Christ fulfilled the law and the only way to actually be justified by following the law is to follow the law of, so and I'm trying to break this up this way because I want to establish, all the ways that we agree and where we come to the point where we're completely is sabbatical simpatico, and then if anyone's ever listen to bring my Manifesto at any point they've already heard my hot take, on all these issues, and so this is you know this is where we are all right so when when he says in Romans chapter 2 verse. 15 the law is written on their hearts and he's not talking on the hearts of the Jews Like Moses was talking about in Deuteronomy he's talking about everybody everybody has this law.

Pastor Newms:

[30:32] I mean I mean it plainly says Gentiles and then it's they they they that you know.

Pastor Bill:

[30:41] And so at what point did that law become written on the hearts of mankind.

Pastor Newms:

[30:51] I would assume based on what we understand from scripture that it was written at the time of eating the the from the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, I think most people would agree with that.

Pastor Bill:

[31:10] Most people would agree with theologically allergens would agree with that most people are right on with that agreement that we receive the knowledge of Good and Evil we received a knowledge of the basic law, when Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil now we had a conversation earlier that I've never had any with anybody else before, and you put it in a way where it's never I've never had anybody say to me before and I knew I had a head knowledge, of the concept that you were talking about but no one had ever articulated it this way to me before.

Pastor Newms:

[31:49] Which you took a minute to get to the articulation let's be clear this is was not I did I didn't just come up with it on the Fly and it took a minute of travel no.

Pastor Bill:

[31:58] No you just wasn't just like you were like I'm a Wordsmith and I'm just gonna pull this out of my butt and it's going to make sense you were talking about Sin, before the fall of Man, so can you.

Pastor Newms:

[32:17] So there.

Pastor Bill:

[32:23] Start with I was raised.

Pastor Newms:

[32:28] Yeah there were times in the past that I was under teachers and what I was taught was that sin entered the world when the fruit was eaten.

Pastor Bill:

[32:42] Now pause because you just quoted Romans chapter 5, verse 12 however Paul then puts a stipulation which is verse 13 He says when in fact, now go ahead.

Pastor Newms:

[33:01] Sin was there already the fact of not being perfect was already in the world and we see this in the fact that, the eating of the Apple which yeah sorry I've tried to say fruit every time it's obviously not an apple that irritates me so.

Pastor Bill:

[33:35] Literally could be an apple of all of the fruits in the world apple strawberry watermelon the these things it couldn't have been because they didn't exist that far.

Pastor Newms:

[33:48] It could have been a special breed like a golden apple that don't exist anymore it could been special you see.

Pastor Bill:

[33:55] So a lot of a lot of theologians believe it was a pomegranate, and one of the reasons they believe this is because there's a lot of art deco, that shows a tree of life and another tree that is represented as a pomegranate tree going back several thousands of years, and also whenever we come across descriptions of asherah poles they're always described as having, on them yeah and so a lot of theologians have come to the conclusion that it must have been a pomegranate, that was representing the, the knowledge of Good and Evil on this tree not necessary that all pomegranates were evil but that this one particular tree grew.

Pastor Newms:

[34:53] Mmm cross pollination is weird sometimes but, Adam when he relayed the law, he related incorrectly the only law that had been given at that point was.

Pastor Bill:

[35:12] Mmm law Loosely law.

Pastor Newms:

[35:13] Laws yeah Loosely law was don't eat of that fruit to which Adam then turned to newly created Eve and said don't touch that tree it'll kill you.

Pastor Bill:

[35:26] Don't eat or touch.

Pastor Newms:

[35:28] Yeah eat or touch don't even touch it if you touch it you're going to die which of as we all know is how Satan was able to twist. I must have English you didn't twist English because just need to be traced because it's a horrible language.

Pastor Bill:

[35:50] Now in the now in the original it doesn't actually say that it is Satan, um that is an idea that comes across an English translations of the New Testament when the authors refer back and say, um the adversary say Tanis in Latin the adversary, inhabited The Serpent and went and talked to Eve and we then you know, apply that to being the devil being Satan being in the serpent now and in the text just says the serpent I don't want I don't want people who are legalistic you know to, the message of what we're saying because we use a colloquial list word that we've just gotten used to saying oh yeah the serpent was Satan and then they reject the whole concept because, we didn't cross our T's and Dot our eyes and what we're saying so the surprise.

Pastor Newms:

[36:49] Satan.

Pastor Bill:

[36:51] You could say a Satan that would be correct the serpent didn't have to lie to Eve because Adam had already lied to her.

Pastor Newms:

[37:01] And we know they were already naked and they immediately afterwards were afraid whether or not they felt shame is upto debate.

Pastor Bill:

[37:18] We infer that they felt shame because of the last verse of chapter 2.

Pastor Newms:

[37:24] Yeah that they didn't feel shame for being naked and then magically they were afraid so we assume it's because of Shame if you can tell we've had long discussions today.

Pastor Bill:

[37:35] We had long discussions today.

Pastor Newms:

[37:38] So um so because of that the, we know there were things that were not considered perfect that were happening before the fruit was eaten.

Pastor Bill:

[37:55] Because we've done extensive talking about the word sin literally just means imperfect it literally just means you're not perfect if you create a giant Jade statue and there's one Nick in it, that's it but that's in doesn't automatically ruin the whole statue.

Pastor Newms:

[38:22] Like the best frigerators are ones you buy from the scratch and dent place because, they have a little Dent that you're going to slide in anyway but it's half the price so scratch and dent is all you know doesn't necessarily mean, that's a dumb analogy but it's what came through my head so that's what you get.

Pastor Bill:

[38:44] And this is what Paul is talking about in the New Testament when he says that Christ redeems us from the laws of sin and death. The law of sin came or an understanding of the existence of the law of sin came when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, and the law of death came when Moses brought his law when God gave the law the that law to Moses That's the Law of death. Why do we call it the law of death we call that the law of death because God said hey do these things so death won't come as quickly. That's that was the whole point of the law was you guys are dying left right and Center let's let's Institute some logical steps to keep you from dying so much, stop doing this stop doing that start doing this start doing that stop eating those dang pigs you don't know how to cook them right to keep yourself from getting sick, stuff like that.

Pastor Newms:

[40:07] Stop touching dead people and then touching your.

Pastor Bill:

[40:11] Stop yeah stop touching dead people what stop.

Pastor Newms:

[40:13] You can't see pathogens but they they're they're stop touching.

Pastor Bill:

[40:19] Stop pooping inside your homes go do that outside the camp.

Pastor Newms:

[40:23] And let's be clear that's not because they didn't hit that not just because they didn't have indoor plumbing because I poop inside my home but it's because I have indoor plumbing.

Pastor Bill:

[40:34] The indoor plumbing takes it away they didn't have any.

Pastor Newms:

[40:36] Well most of the time.

Pastor Bill:

[40:40] They tell us they didn't have anything to just take magically take it away.

Pastor Newms:

[40:44] It's yes exactly.

Pastor Bill:

[40:45] Just sat there and infected the made them say, so what I've what I've the way I have come at it is that I've equated, the knowledge of Good and Evil with morality, and I've stated that having that knowledge of Good and Evil is what corrupted, Adam and Eve and their descendants that morality is corruption, and I've gone on to then say if you're using morality as a weapon to beat someone over the head, then you are literally embracing the very thing that caused God to say well man can't live forever because now they're going to be Little P bags like this guy. And on that point we've agreed you shouldn't weaponize morality, in between the two Newms and I don't agree on the specifics of what is morality what is ethics and, is it morality they gained when they ate the fruit or not and so, I've said my point of view extensively over over history and Pastor Newms today it was trying to explain you know where he's coming from and the way he sees it, and I think I'm I think I understand the way you see it at this point I don't think I have any hole so I'm going to try to express what I've learned about your point of view today.

Pastor Newms:

[42:42] Okay let's see.

Pastor Bill:

[42:47] And you've done a good job of already basically already stating a lot of the stuff that I'm about to say but you know we're recapping, Adam and Eve already had some sense of morality, they already knew some things are good some things are bad because God said don't eat the tree that's bad, and you can eat the other fruit that's good, already had some sense of morality, when they ate the knowledge of the tree of Good and Evil they then have the understanding and the knowledge of the law and understood not good and bad but right and wrong.

Pastor Newms:

[43:34] Yes.

Pastor Bill:

[43:34] So some things are good for you if some things are bad now we understand right and we understand wrong.

Pastor Newms:

[43:40] Yes.

Pastor Bill:

[43:41] Which is another facet of morality but, you can't just blanket statement morality over the situation because there was some sense of morality there before, and it wasn't like they just gained morality they already had it they gained a new facet and a new understanding.

Pastor Newms:

[44:03] That is my belief yes.

Pastor Bill:

[44:05] Of morality and in that then they had to suffer the consequences, of the knowledge like Paul says without the law there is no consequence, um so then that first consequence was we've always been naked and now we believe that to be wrong. So then they made Nathan's for themselves. Nathan it's the correct word, even even your King James Bible is translated today is translated wrong the word apron replace the word napron around the 1800s the late 1800s it was a napron, and because people began lazy other people thought they were saying an, apron but it is a napron. That people are lazy. A pronoun is a word that didn't exist until people got lazy and decided to not learn that it was natrone not that it wasn't a neighbor and they assumed it was an apron anyway, um and yes words have words changed meaning and they blah blah blah I get it I do but it is fun to say napron okay so I made the aprons for themselves, and they hid from God because they were afraid they weren't afraid of God before, before they had this knowledge of Good and Evil when God would show up they would just go oh hey it's god let's go hang out.

Pastor Newms:

[46:13] Uh-huh.

Pastor Bill:

[46:14] One-on-one in his presence and once they had this knowledge of Good and Evil they were afraid to enter into his presence there was a separation. Spiritually they did die, right because I became separated from God their innocence like like a child has innocence that guide for sure.

Pastor Newms:

[46:51] Well in one of the things that I found that I hadn't read before was, in Genesis where it says when the Lord's actually saying it it does not say you will die. Depending on the translation it will it says certainly or surely, die so it's not that even according to the translations we have, God didn't say you will die it said God said you will certainly die meaning, yeah now because you ate it you will certainly die when before there was a question of will these guys die, is how I take that verse and that is Genesis 2:17 that I'm referring to that I had not, paid attention to that one extra word that's in each of the three translations that I'm using, to show I just typed it yellow I misspelled Genesis.

Pastor Bill:

[48:29] Yeah it's, it's worthy of death. The actual word like pulled out of context and just, the word itself is to be worthy of death to be as if you were dead to being as good as dead too and it actually has the word twice meaning it should actually be an exclamation point, at the end of the sentence instead of a period.

Pastor Newms:

[49:02] Because it smooth smooth move move not just smooth.

Pastor Bill:

[49:10] And for some reason the translators decided to just put a period there instead of an exclamation point even though that's like one of the first things you learn when you're translating Hebrew and Greek is if they say a word twice, that's emphatic that's an exclamation point in Modern English.

Pastor Newms:

[49:28] Yeah life is fun.

Pastor Bill:

[49:33] And then and then and then, after they do eat it God says well now we need to stop them from continuing to eat from the tree of life because if they do, they're going to live forever in their current state. Slaves to the law of sin. Borrowing from you know New Testament axioms.

Pastor Newms:

[50:16] Which you know when you when you look at it is not. Necessarily part of the punishment that, is Mercy its after the Lord makes them close, it's after the punishments are done that he says since man has been like one of us knowing good and evil he must not reach out and take from because, God didn't want us continuing to live imperfect where we could not die and would not die to at some point become you know our perfect selves, in the afterlife because we wouldn't have had an afterlife we would have been stuck separated from God forever so.

Pastor Bill:

[51:18] Well they were already imperfect but they were imperfect without, but now that they have the knowledge of Good and Evil now that imperfection sticks and.

Pastor Newms:

[51:32] It mocks it up yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[51:33] And and damages your DNA and passes on corrupted DNA and then we get people born with diseases and deformities and you know.

Pastor Newms:

[51:56] Yes groggy we are damaged goods now.

Pastor Bill:

[51:56] Yes gravity says we're damaged goods and just like the book of Hosea. God likes him some damaged goods.

Pastor Newms:

[52:09] Really Hosea.

Pastor Bill:

[52:11] Yeah I was at where God tells Hosea.

Pastor Newms:

[52:13] I ain't I I know.

Pastor Bill:

[52:14] Make yourself go on your make yourself that whore, because she's gonna cheat on you she gonna do you wrong she's going to run around and then you're going to pursue her and she's going to come back to you just like I will pursue my.

Pastor Newms:

[52:33] You're not wrong it's just we went to Hosea.

Pastor Bill:

[52:38] We went to Hosea no I zadie says no I won't I don't know what she said is she saying she won't go marry a whore as I was just I don't know I don't know.

Pastor Newms:

[52:47] I don't understand what she's saying I know I won't too.

Pastor Bill:

[52:52] Jose tea.

Pastor Newms:

[52:54] I'm confused.

Pastor Bill:

[53:02] That's fine all right sounds like a fun time Groggy says. All right so go read Hosea thats your homework for this week.

Pastor Newms:

[53:19] No it's not has not the homework for the week.

Pastor Bill:

[53:23] Well we will be talking about whores next whores versus sluts next Sunday it's sure to be a good time so.

Pastor Newms:

[53:29] No no.

Pastor Bill:

[53:31] Tune in at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard.

Pastor Newms:

[53:33] Seriously hope we are not going to talk about thoughts next.

Pastor Bill:

[53:34] Sunday to join us live we thought says exactly what next week's episode titles going.

Pastor Newms:

[53:40] I know it.

Pastor Bill:

[53:44] So if you want to join us live on Sunday evenings we do me, on Sundays at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time and it goes out live to Twitch YouTube and Facebook if you want to go to eat cake a DOT house you can find out which which which, Facebook in which YouTube channels you can join us live at and then you can participate in the chat and join us in the live conversation the way that zaidi and groggy and Biggs and Phoenix have, and a bat brain, sorry I'm trying not to burp over here on into the microphone so it's making my voice cut in and out, so come join us live we have a good time most Sundays and we try not to argue too much because that gets annoying to watch when we're just sitting here arguing back and forth we try to keep it, pretty light and have a good time but we're only human Rife with imperfection.

Pastor Newms:

[54:48] And I love arguing sorry.

Pastor Bill:

[54:51] So join us some Sunday we'd love to have you be a part of the conversation ask questions energetic to tell us we're wrong that's all welcome, fuels the conversation it's good fun, um and you can listen to this podcast anywhere that you listen to podcasts it comes up on Wednesdays at 7 p.m. so I'd encourage you to go back and look at the scriptures that we talked about, decide if you know where on the Mark or if we've missed the Mark here and what you you know, thank your you're seeing here and what you believe about these theological topics but remember that what what binds us together as Believers is that we believe, Jesus came as a man, died on the cross to deal with the law of sin and Death on our behalf fulfilled every jot and Tittle of the law to bring us salvation and that's the state that we live in now, is that state of Salvation so. Yeah and that's one of the things that Pastor Newms said earlier today he was like I hate this topic because it doesn't matter it isn't one of those things that matters and I'm like you know that's true but I, I can't fight this function that this is what we're supposed to talk about today so this is what we talked about and I feel like I learned something got some new insight on to, this topic I don't know if anybody else did but I certainly feel more knowledgeable here at the end of the day so that's good, it's always good to learn and grow and become, a better person and that's why I keep someone like Jonathan around me I have this rule that if you don't make me a better husband a better father or a better Christian then I ain't got time for you, and so that's why I spent a lot of time with Pastor Newms because he challenges me and all three of these areas and so, you do not all the same time and not all three everyday but you have no lack of challenging me in these three areas. Have a great week, we love you guys.

Pastor Newms:

Be safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

And until next time…

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 55 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and as always I am joined all the way from the great state of Tennessee by my friend and yours the awesome Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:

[0:28] Okay okay first off calm down with all that stuff.

Pastor Bill:

[0:34] Calling Tennessee great? I'm sorry I didn't mean to... You wouldn't know it you're going to the store with you ever. Going to store this man and everybody everybody's his friend.

Pastor Newms:

[0:50] That is. I act friendly with all not everyone is my friend.

Pastor Bill:

[1:05] All right well we've got puff is joining us on our Phoenix or whatever she goes by I can never remember first post Color age, Phoenix Wright fluffiness, um yeah Phoenix is joining us on Twitch and we got Biggs on Twitch which hopefully our connection will be better this week than it was man was that alright that was that last week.

Pastor Newms:

[1:29] Why did you say it why did you say it everything was going out perfect now that you've said it.

Pastor Bill:

[1:34] Everything will continue to go out perfect because… ya… We got Zaydiee here on Twitch Biggs likes my fancy shirt. Favor blue you know the company Favor, Favor blue tuxedo shirt it's actually is a Favor um from the information meeting that I went to, to try to get some rides working for Favor but the never actually didn't any Favor rides but that's a whole different story. So how was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:

[2:08] My week was pretty good other than the fact of one of my kids is still, um sick. Um and we are on quarantined locked down in our house everyone sleeping in separate rooms where my girls sometimes sleep in the bonus room together and watch TV and stuff everyone is in separate rooms. My wife and I are not even sleeping together to try to distance socially which I don't like. It is what it is so far no one else has had any symptoms. So that's how it's been a fun it's been a fun Thanksgiving holiday and I use fun very lightly. But other than that it's been good it was a short week at work because of the holiday it's so I played a lot of games and did some reading and that kind of stuff this week so my week was a little lighter than normal just because, was only 3 days of work.

Pastor Bill:

[3:18] Bigs on Twitch asks which on your shirt it says the original and then it's got a Joker, Catwoman, and The Riddler from the 1950s Batman television show.

Pastor Newms:

[3:32] I thought that was a 60s.

Pastor Bill:

[3:33] Okay. I was a credit with 50s but.

Pastor Newms:

[3:38] But it says and it says gangster at the bottom so.

Pastor Bill:

[3:51] The Batman show that was live action but the violence wasn't and since they couldn't show that kind of action on television they put up animated cards that said pal blam yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[4:04] Bam no it ran from 66 to 68 twice weekly and third three times weekly for the last season. So 120 episodes. It's weird they did 26 60 and 26 episodes in the seasons that's interesting.

Pastor Bill:

[4:30] Well that's a trial order a full order and then a okay yeah will give you enough to finish the thought. Pass.

Pastor Newms:

[4:48] By season.

Pastor Bill:

[4:49] Phoenix says that was solid gold Bill what was solid gold. Me putting it in the wrong decade or like you being facetious or what was solid gold – P - she's put up the letter p.

Pastor Newms:

[5:09] Season 3 is when they introduced Bat Girl to try to help with the ratings and where the famous statement of jumped the shark comes from.

Pastor Bill:

[5:21] Hmmm, are you sure that didn't come from Happy Days?

Pastor Newms:

[5:28] Was it? I always took it to come from here.

Pastor Bill:

[5:32] Where he actually the Fonz actually jumps the shark on jet skis.

Pastor Newms:

[5:41] I thought it was here maybe I'm wrong.

Pastor Bill:

[5:54] Crew and set up where he did use bat shark repellent it was quite the scene. You said nice… Can you guys see my Green Lantern?

Pastor Newms:

[6:13] Yeah I can see the green. The Green Lantern and part most of the screwdriver but not all of it it's right above my head.

Pastor Bill:

[6:22] Hmm just turn it around then so you can see the not so much to handle but actual bud.

Pastor Newms:

[6:30] Oh no you're right it is from Happy Days I was wrong.

Pastor Bill:

[6:35] All right see you had a good.

Pastor Newms:

[6:39] They just used the phrase.

Pastor Bill:

[6:41] You know I wouldn't categorize exactly what you guys went through this week is a good week.

Pastor Newms:

[6:49] No no but it was it was a week and no one no one no one's real sick so, no one had to go to the hospital no one cuz it is always a chance with covid so I'm I'm counting it good for that reason because it's been a mild case as far as how bad it can get she was very sick but it hasn't gotten terrible, so how was your week.

Pastor Bill:

[7:23] We had Thanksgiving. We went and decorated my mom's for Christmas and.

Pastor Newms:

[7:42] We played a lot of satisfactory didn't stream any of.

Pastor Bill:

[7:44] We played a good amount of satisfactory this week.

Pastor Newms:

[7:50] It's not really unless you're doing something specific it's a hard game to stream though because it really is just the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Pastor Bill:

[8:03] It's true it wouldn't be that it wouldn't be that fun to watch.

Pastor Newms:

[8:31] I'm looking forward to the game we play next but.

Pastor Bill:

[8:36] Which is going to be what as if I didn't already know.

Pastor Newms:

[8:41] It's one of two, either start either play through the Borderlands games or so we get something different because it's a shooter or turn up a server and play Ark.

Pastor Bill:

[8:57] I just assumed it was going to be Borderlands the next because you've been chomping at the bit.

Pastor Newms:

[9:03] It is it is my favorite game of all time. We will probably stream our entire gameplay even if we don't do it live, I'll probably record all of it just because I want to see Billiams reaction to most of the jokes in the game because it is just that good, okay I was just thinking about it on the fact I forgot to get it out the just the game itself is so good, some of my favorite lines of video game characters in a bunch of Tik-Tok audios you don't realize are from Borderlands and so it'll be it'll be good we'll get ourselves some chocolate chip cookies.

Pastor Bill:

[9:58] Okay.

Pastor Newms:

[10:01] Skag Meat.

Pastor Bill:

[10:02] Some skag meat, I think I recognize that. Okay so it's time for Getting To Know The Pastor's I've already got the card.

Pastor Newms:

[10:10] Oh should we talk about the one the one other thing we found out this week.

Pastor Bill:

[10:15] What did we find out.

Pastor Newms:

[10:16] That Newms is a sweaty boy when I don't like to admit.

Pastor Bill:

[10:19] Newms is quite the sweaty boy, now you got to tell you everybody what a sweaty boy is.

Pastor Newms:

[10:25] We found out I found out Billiam knew it was there but I had forgotten about it and then found it again, in the Star Trek game we play together, there is a little thing in your profile that says how many hostiles you've killed over the time of you playing and I've played for, significantly less time than most people on the server we play on because I entered the server much later than everyone else because I entered to play with, Pastor Bill which is Hew him so, I've only been playing for seven months whereas Bills been playing over here and I found out, that my hostel shifts destroyed is currently as of right now. Just over 90,000. Hostiles. Which means I've ground in the game and just hit hostels over and over and over again as a as a thing. Billiam is higher level than me by 4 has been playing for an extra five months or so no six months or so, his hostile ships destroyed is 66,000 694. So I've killed 23,000 more ships.

Pastor Bill:

[12:12] In half the time.

Pastor Newms:

[12:14] Half the time that I've played and I. That messes with me a little because I'm like like I game a lot I get that but like I'm always playing more than one game at a time and, I've had a lot of ships.

Pastor Bill:

[12:39] And the and the guy who plays this game professionally for his YouTube channel how many hostiles had a yet.

Pastor Newms:

[12:46] On his main account.

Pastor Bill:

[12:49] 23 years that he's been doing this.

Pastor Newms:

[12:52] On his main account he was around where you were he was at like 70,000 or but he plays multiple accounts.

Pastor Bill:

[13:03] He has at least 14 Accounts at this point so.

Pastor Newms:

[13:08] Billiam if I mean Biggs if you click on your icon your little your little person in the top left, and then you there's a scroll item and it shows like power destroyed missions completed resources mind, and then down there it says hostile ships destroyed I would.

Pastor Bill:

[13:30] Cuz cuz Biggs plays this game too.

Pastor Newms:

[13:33] Yes I would be interested in your Damage Done to hostels I didn't look at it it's probably significantly higher because you've been hitting higher ships mine is right at 35 billion Damage Done.

Pastor Bill:

[13:48] Well I don't have the game open right now so I couldn't tell.

Pastor Newms:

[13:50] I know I'm I'm already looking.

Pastor Bill:

[13:52] Oh you're looking into mine.

Pastor Newms:

[13:54] Yeah I don't know if it's one of the things that's public that's the aspect I don't I don't know,

it is yeah you have done 50 billion damage so you have done more damage you just.

Pastor Bill:

[14:11] More damage and less hostels.

Pastor Newms:

[14:14] You've ground higher-level hostiles I ground a lot when I was lower to get up faster, Biggs is killed 19 thousand ships almost 18300 so he's doing a good amount of grinding himself.

Pastor Bill:

[14:33] All right let's do Getting To Know The Pastor's.

Pastor Newms:

[14:36] Getting To Know The Pastors sorry sidetracked.

Pastor Bill:

[14:38] I've been sitting here with the card stuck to my forehead.

Pastor Newms:

[14:41] I know it was gross.

Pastor Bill:

[14:45] If there was a sandwich named after you what would be on it.

Pastor Newms:

[14:55] Hmm um. Well, my favorite sandwich even though I'm not supposed to eat it is the Hunter at Jimmy John's, which is turkey roast beef, and cheese and then a bunch of crap I get off of it the same which I make it home, most of the time is, pan cooked skillet cooked chopped up roast beef and cheese, with onion powder garlic and Italian seasoning so depends, I don't know what about you.

Pastor Bill:

[15:57] Well I've already had a burger designed in my honor as a type of sandwich it was two half-pound burger patties on a cinnamon raisin bagel, and some barbecue sauce in there and some chopped up onions and lettuce, and the gentleman who created it with a Muslim so there was no bacon but if I could have bacon added then I would want bacon at it and yeah, so that was that was what was in there for me is Phoenix is running to my burger, okay it is delicious surprisingly delicious.

Pastor Newms:

[16:47] I I've never understood the raisin part I couldn't get behind it I'm sorry homie even when I watched you eat it I couldn't do it.

Pastor Bill:

[16:59] This delicious fantastic. Um and then if it was a drink it's 3/4 a solo cup of dr. pepper and one shot of espresso. That's the drink. What?

Pastor Newms:

[17:22] What is wrong with you?

Pastor Bill:

[17:23] It’s delicious. I call it a Dr. Spresso. What's wrong with my Dr. Spresso.

Pastor Newms:

[17:42] Are we over yet.

Pastor Bill:

[17:44] We haven't started. You're done too tired okay.

Pastor Newms:

[17:57] Oh I am thankful that we are time for us to talk about our topic.

Pastor Bill:

[18:09] All right so the title of.

Pastor Newms:

[18:11] Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait Biggs says that's a Dagwood what is a Dagwood.

Pastor Bill:

[18:17] Dagwood is any bread that you have available that you slap anything you have in your fridge or Pantry on.

Pastor Newms:

[18:24] Oh

Pastor Bill:

[18:24] Into a sandwich he was responding to Phoenix.

Pastor Newms:

[18:28] Mmm okay.

Pastor Bill:

[18:31] As we're a Dagwood.

Pastor Newms:

[18:33] I'm not familiar with that term.

Pastor Bill:

[18:36] A Bat Brain gets just says I just got onto the first thing I hear is that you're done we're not really done Newms is just doing his facetious thing of.

Pastor Newms:

[18:47] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[18:47] When I say something that he thinks is outlandish and he's like it's too much I can't I can't move I can't go.

Pastor Newms:

[18:51] Hey it's fast too much.

Pastor Bill:

[18:54] I'm done I was just.

Pastor Newms:

[18:56] Which for those of you out in in both Twitch land and in listening to podcast land I do that to him normally.

Pastor Bill:

[19:06] He does.

Pastor Newms:

[19:07] There will be times where one of us will just end the call and walk away for a minute and then come back when we're talking because it's like no done and walk away.

Pastor Bill:

[19:17] Thousand out.

Pastor Newms:

[19:18] We never stay gone long but it's just the funniness of nope so this is we don't actually end for your guys's benefit normally I would just hang up on him and come back in a minute.

Pastor Bill:

[19:33] It's true. All right, so this week's episode is called unthankful and I know we're coming right on the tail end of Thanksgiving and then we're having an episode called unthankful, and I struggled with the so the first thing I got this week was was what to title, the episode unthankful and I told Newms you know we're that the title is unthankful and he's like which means what and I was like I don't know, I don't know I'll let you know when I find out more and so then I was trying to sus it out today and, so yeah so we tonight it's called unthankful, and so for tonight we're going to turn to first Thessalonians chapter 5 and we're going to read. I think we'll start in verse 12 I'm wearing to go through. Let's go through 22 okay first Thessalonians chapter 5 verses 12 through 22 says, now we ask you brothers and sisters to give recognition to those who labor among you and Lead You In The Lord and admonish you and to regard them very highly in love because of their work, be at peace amongst yourselves guys this is his entry his his introduction to his exit to 1st Thessalonians, be at peace among ourselves and we exhort you brothers and sisters warn those who are idle, Comfort the discouraged help the weak be patient with everyone see to it that no one repays evil for evil to anyone but always pursue what is good for one another and for all,

and this is where we get to the really meaty part that we're going to be spending some time in tonight, Rejoice always pray constantly give thanks in everything for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus, don't stifle Spirit don't despise prophecies but tests all things hold on to what is good stay away from every kind of evil. Verse 21 of Thessalonians chapter 5 test all things hold on to what is good, this is this is the kind of concept that we were talking about when we were talking about the Apocrypha when we were talking about the deuterocanonical books, when we're talking about looking at other religions and going well you know they might be onto something there with that one aspect when we say things like, um you know people have gotten glimpses of God, through all the time not just Israelites not just Christians not Jay you know we get a glimpse of God and we try to understand what we just saw and we write it down or we create beliefs about it. You know tests all those things read it find out what it says and, take the good that you find the stuff that you know makes you a better person the things that make you love God more than seek God more have a better relationship with God, hold on to those things and you know, let go of the things that don't sound right and don't don't give you a better life and don't make you a better Christian don't make you love God more. So yeah that's that's a side note there.

Pastor Newms:

[23:30] That's a good side note.

Pastor Bill:

[23:32] That's a good sign is that all you have to say about the side note is that's a good side note.

Pastor Newms:

[23:36] That's all I got.

Pastor Bill:

[23:38] That's all he's got okay.

Pastor Newms:

[23:40] It's all I got.

Pastor Bill:

[23:41] So I basically have and we may just just tear through this I don't know, um because I didn't flush it out much but but basically when we're looking at first Thessalonians chapter 5 and we get 2 verses 16 through 18 right it says, give thanks in everything or that's 18 Rejoice always pray constantly give thanks in everything okay. This is basically one sentence it's split up into three versus but it's one sentence it says Rejoice always come, pray constantly, give thanks in everything semicolon, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus so I want to look at that there's these three things that were being told to do, and then also told you know that, these things are God's will for us in Christ Jesus this is what God wants for us is for us to always Rejoice always pray and always be thankful. And so I was going through that today and I'm thinking about you know why why why these three things, and when I when we talk about always Rejoice there's lots of things in the Bible where it says you know rejoice in the lord always rejoice in the hope that you have, rejoicing and the thing is that the Lord does so. Wow words juice blank what's the word the practical application. Ends this when we think about the practical application of this statement, I've Rejoice always there's this concept in psychiatry in, psychology about celebrating all the small victories right, you celebrate All the Small victories and and basically what happens then is that you start to see, the ways in life that you've succeeded you start to see the ways in life where you have overcome you start to see the, attitude of your life gets this, upward trajectory instead of constantly feeling defeated instead of constantly feeling beat down instead of constantly being overwhelmed, by the world and everything that's going on around you right wildfires covid, January 6 Capital thing shootings and diseases and wars and rumors of wars and all these things that are going on in the world that are just, awful and ridiculous that way on all of our shoulders and make us feel heavy right. We celebrate the small victories to bring that Focus back in to give us a trajectory up. And and here Paul is Paul wrote Thessalonians right. Well Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy did they all three co-write it.

Pastor Newms:

[27:38] I think that is the common thought yes.

Pastor Bill:

[27:53] God wants you to be always rejoice in God's will for your life isn't for you to be beat down, and depressed and feeling overwhelmed God wants you to be celebrating the Small Things finding ways to rejoice, keeping that attitude and that trajectory upwards and outwards instead of being overcome and overwhelmed and Beatdown okay that's my point number one tonight, anything you want to add to always Rejoice anything you've heard in your life that you can add that. Or experience.

Pastor Newms:

[28:35] I mean it's one of those things like you said it's it's it's important in life to celebrate the small things because there is so much going on, like kind of what we were talking about earlier you know I was in okay it was a good week you know it could've been worse you know because you know we celebrate the little things that did happen that we're good not, think about and dwell on all the things, could have gone wrong and have gone wrong this week like canceling Thanksgiving and you know.

Pastor Bill:

[29:12] And you were saying you were saying yesterday you know I don't like to leave the house I can go weeks without leaving the house and the moment we're quarantined I just feel trapped like I have to get up.

Pastor Newms:

[29:26] Yeah and and it it's a weird realization that particular aspect. Because I found it the first time you know the the time when we were all quarantined for a long amount of time I this is this is where I exist right here, if you ever wonder you know is doing right now he's either doing this, he's doing this or he's doing this.

Pastor Bill:

[29:56] Sometimes there's some sleeping in there somewhere but.

Pastor Newms:

[30:00] There is there is but only about 20% of the day. The majority of the time I'm right in this chair doing this or that and you know, but then you get Court like you're told you can't go to this you know, you can go to the store but you have to wear a mask because I'm fully vaccinated is with the CDC, for the county and stuff is said and blah blah blah and it's like I'm just gonna stay home because it could be on me you know but, it's just that aspect of when I'm not supposed to go a lot of places I'm not supposed to you know do this or do and I'm like well I just want to go to the mall now, quarantines going to be over in 10 days because no one else in the house is going to get sick I believe and, when it is I'm not going to want to go out everyone else in the house is going to be stir crazy but. I'm like no I'm good but you were just complaining last week now I'm good, we have to be thankful for the things we do have and not focus on the things that are making a stir crazy.

Pastor Bill:

[31:25] Absolutely okay.

Pastor Newms:

[31:27] And I think you know one of the commentaries talks about this I know you've already read the same commentary because it's your one of your favorite commentaries but, these three specifically are very connected because to be thankful is to do the next thing which is.

Pastor Bill:

[31:52] I'm just going to sit here and see how long you'll wave your hands and Beyond, all right so the next verse is.

Pastor Newms:

[32:01] China Segway try and trying to set you up.

Pastor Bill:

[32:05] The CHP says pray constantly I said always pray bigs in twitch wrote pray without ending these are all the same, these are mean the same things and and prayer you know we, a lot of times when people talk about prayer we think of the staunch person using big words and being over, religious and you know the guy that God specific Jesus, specifically said don't pray like those people those are the people we think about when we think about prayer you know oh God the Lord of heavens and earth, I thank you that I am not a slave or a woman was coming you know prayer back in the day and in Israel. I would never pray that but it was a common prayer and gods like dude don't don't pray like those guys duh there's pump their circumstances they're not actually talking to God they're just trying to get the attention of the people around them, um and so pray constantly well why, why would we need to pray constantly why do we pray at all and there's, there's different thoughts about how prayer works I've made it no secret on the Broom Manifesto that I the way that I see the world the way the world works and the relationship of the world with God that, God created us God gave us dominion over the Earth and everything that happens here has to happen with the permission of humanity, so from that theological perspective prayer is giving God permission, authority to move it doesn't mean he will move in the way that you've asked, it doesn't mean that you're guaranteed what you asked for or if you you ask for a Cadillac that you're going to get it or money you're going to doesn't mean any of that, it means that your prayer gives God the authority to move in the Earth the way he needs to move. And big says God knows what you ask.

Pastor Newms:

[34:34] God knows what you want but he wants you.

Pastor Bill:

[34:35] I want buddy wants you to ask sorry there's some autocorrect going on there out of trouble reading the sentence, and so there is that that concept that people have that you know you have not because you ask not true seek and you shall find true knock and it shall be answered true, it doesn't always work that way you know, you don't always get what you ask for sometimes what you ask for is bad for you sometimes what you ask for is bad for other people on and on and on the whole it's a whole you know sticky situation there but I believe that prayer is an act of prophetic interception where you are giving God, room to move basically because we're the authority, humankind the authority on the earth and as Christians were then giving God, the authority to move in this situation that we're praying about how do you. You want to talk about what you think about prayer your viewing.

Pastor Newms:

[35:45] So um so.

Pastor Bill:

[35:51] Address today's date is question.

Pastor Newms:

[35:53] Well let me because I was about to do the exact same thing so I'll I want to kind of, so for me my thought process is, The Authority that's been given to us as humans when he gave authority over the Earth to humans that we then, gave away and then had to get anyway the, when you ask God to do something that it is opening up, yourself and others to fulfill that we have to you know God has a will, he has something he's wanting to do and. We should be connected in such a way that we pray for his will to be done and in praying that will out that then, allows like you said allows him to move in those situations, when God gave the authority over to us it it you know it's not saying that God doesn't have the power.

Pastor Bill:

[37:22] Say gave up the Authority or gave away the authority.

Pastor Newms:

[37:28] It's not that God is Not powerful enough that there's some people that like well if God is all-powerful why can't he just do what he wants.

Pastor Bill:

[37:37] It's that he's not a liar and he gave us authority to just do what he wants would make that a lie he has to get permission.

Pastor Newms:

[38:01] Some people struggle with that because it's not what they were talking.

Pastor Bill:

[38:04] They should struggle with it they should circle with all statement.

Pastor Newms:

[38:08] Yeah and you know us having the authority, it's interesting to think about that aspect but there are, you know the Bible talks about God giving Authority in certain situations to people so often, you know God gives leadership Authority God gives you know all leadership is ordained you know people are Dane to do certain things God gives, certain spiritual gifts and power to people on an individual level and giving those pieces of authority over aspects over time, you know is interesting thought one of the things. I've heard in the past and that I do, the person referred to it as micro prayers which is a weird concept because it's it's just praying without ceasing and, someone asked The Story Goes that someone asked a monk you know how do you continue to pray how are you not, ceasing in your prayers is that why you don't talk and he said well I continue to talk to God all the time even if I'm talking to you because I'm I'm, asking God what should be the next thing I say I ask God you know. Did I understand that I asked God different things like that. Society asks when we pray do we say I give you permission to work in a way so deem necessary or something along those lines it doesn't seem right because either way he's going to work how he needs to so, it's. If we look at the Lord's Prayer it's a really good analogy for this situation and a great formula like you said is, may your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven so his will in heaven is easy because it.

Pastor Bill:

[40:34] Because he has the authority there.

Pastor Newms:

[40:36] So it just what he wants happens because it's not the Physical Realm there's not rules that he said about of physics there's not you know different things like that it's, it's heaven but the aspect of. Earth we want his will to come true, and so it's that thought process of its kind like when you pray for healing, God I know you can heal this person if it's your will please do, you know it's not, necessarily for me it's not God do this now.

Pastor Bill:

[41:13] Hmm it's simple enough to just say you know. I command the signatures begun and and healing in their body you're expressing your permission for God to move just by using your normal words. Zaydiee says sorry.

Pastor Newms:

[41:39] I'll let you touch on that.

Pastor Bill:

[41:40] Authority on Earth and Phoenix says but he rules everything so God only has the authority that he is then given, on the earth because, he gave over the authority of the earth to Adam and Eve and their. And that Rings true over and that Concept in my opinion I mean obviously everything's up everything that isn't a Salvation issue is Up For Debate, in my opinion that Rings true over and over and over and over again. God didn't flood the Earth until after he talked to Noah I know I'm gonna do this thing and Noah goes alright I'll play my part, God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until he talked to Abraham and Abraham put conditions on his permission what if there's one person 1050 you know, anytime there's that big move God moves through Humanity. To get that that permission from The Authority that he set up he's not a liar and he's a gentleman and he's not gonna override that Authority.

Pastor Newms:

[43:05] And I think so it is definitely, for me like zaidi saying prayer is just talking to God it's really funny because Tina praise zadie praise a lot more than, lots of people that I know and I'll take something to her and be like hey can you pray for this oh I already was I wasn't sure why though. And but there is. That aspect of so for me this is one of the things me and you differ on slightly is I don't view it as much as. The. The Bible is written in such a way that when it talks about the authority it talks about prayer I think that we continue to pray. What God wants and like you said what zaidi said was did he did God go to those people out of kindness not asking permission. He It's it's the authority that he gave over to man over the Earth over the trees over the animals over Humanity it does. Permission has to be given to a certain degree but the thing is is so many people have prayed for permission so many times over time that. That's where my aspect comes into play where it's like so many people pray your will be done so often it's at a certain point where if you don't give him permission someone else might, and so there is there is those aspects and then Phoenix said he'll override if he needs to do it, he doesn't need Authority he's got all of it so I, I don't think that's accurate personally and I'll give two examples I can think of offhand one, there is a point in the Old Testament where there's a battle going on and someone prays that they can win the Israelite leader I can't remember which leader it is at that moment, get my brother's Moses or Joshua because my brain is not connecting but he prays and he says we need to win and God says okay I'll leave it daytime, as long as you leave your hands in the air. And God could have easily just been like okay it'll be daytime to you're done. When his arm started to go down it started become night when his arms went back up it didn't, so in that that was God had given us Authority and then he was only following through when, we were doing our part, we have to do our part of the story it's one of the reasons why I could never be an actual calvinist because a true calvinist doesn't believe in, we have to do our part of spreading. Planting the seeds and those types of things and I think it's the same with prayer we have to plant the seeds we have to. Do the asking God just won't do it normally.

Pastor Bill:

[47:31] And another another good example is in first Samuel when Saul does the wrong thing, and is no longer qualified to be king anymore. God doesn't just okay you're no longer King anymore he goes to Samuel and he says hey I need you to anoint a new king. And Samuel girls okay I'll do it even even in instituting the king of Israel God had to go through a human being. And get David anointed as king.

Pastor Newms:

[48:14] So Phoenix you just said something that if you're good, if you are going to hurt yourself if it's his will to stop you from doing harm he doesn't come to me and say can I have your permission to help you and I will agree with that he doesn't.

Pastor Bill:

[48:30] If that was true then no one would ever have committed suicide.

Pastor Newms:

[48:37] And the other aspect is the. There are people who are praying for us all the time friends families intercessors different aspects like that.

Pastor Bill:

[48:51] Well not everyone.

Pastor Newms:

[48:55] I don't know cuz some some people do real generic prayers and so because of that, it tends to cover whole groups of people.

Pastor Bill:

[49:05] Wait we assume that it does.

Pastor Newms:

[49:08] Yeah we assume.

Pastor Bill:

[49:09] We're doing a lot of assumption there.

Pastor Newms:

[49:12] And so I think that's that's the reason is that there are times that he steps in to stop something from happening. But it is because of a reason it's not just I don't think God ever forces something he. Like that I think it's it's it is that aspect. I don't quite understand what you mean Phoenix by that statement.

Pastor Bill:

[50:03] Well I said no one would have ever committed suicide and she's saying that's not the correct terminology, they should be they died by Suicide not that they committed suicide and I don't know the difference is that may just be my ignorance but if I'm saying that wrong I do apologize.

Pastor Newms:

[50:25] Yeah I'm not I haven't heard that.

Pastor Bill:

[50:26] The way that you're coming at me I may be reading too much into that, adding tone where there isn't tone the way you're coming at me it seems like I've triggered or hurt or put a fence in some way and I would never intentionally do that that's not what we're about, I don't want to hurt anyone or you know things like that I don't think there's any reason to intentionally hurt someone like that, so I'll have to look into that make sure that I'm using the right terminology and that area because I would I would hate for someone to be a survivor of. Attempted suicide or someone to be the family member of someone who did die by Suicide and, cause hurt and pain on top of what they've already experienced that's definitely not something that I would want to do. Okay, so yeah so prayer is this gotten a little bit off-track of the way I wanted prayer to go, like I said I'm not fully in charge here you know I get the topic and then we start flowing with the Holy Spirit and the kind of go where we go.

Pastor Newms:

[51:48] Questions are important.

Pastor Bill:

[51:49] Questions are very important and is is one of the main reasons why we do it this. Ah freak certifies that committed would be indicating that they committed an offense, and I guess I see that I mean I'm in a committed relationship, commitment and committed can be used in more terminology than just an offense but I can see how then adding that word to the word suicide has that.

Pastor Newms:

[52:25] Connotation difference between difference between the diction in the connotation I think is.

Pastor Bill:

[52:32] So now let's let's let's bring that second point that always pray around into what we talked about the Practical you know that begin with Point number one, and and in the Practical side of Prayer, Prather is this meditative process and I know a lot in Christian circles using the word meditation is a big No-No you know it causes all kinds of issues but, when we turn to the Psalms we find David saying that the words of my mouth and the meditations of my heart be pleasing To You O Lord, um And so there's this concept you know meditation is a Christian thing we meditate on the word we meditate you know on different things and prayer is a meditative process, and what prayer does is it lines up your mind with your spirit and creates this more, inline being within you. All meditation should do that but there are forms of meditation that you know cause you to be in more chaos and cause you to open yourself up to. Other things like I'm an empathic type person meaning I can sense when someone's anxious or when they're depressed and and then I start to, you know take that on in myself, and so there are certain types of meditation where I would I could take on like a sponge things that are bad for me, but prayer is this type of meditation to to line you up and give you this these great psychological, and so praying without ceasing is is a really good, meditative process that's good for you Spirit soul and body and so that's just another thing of you know well God wants you, not only committed to finding his will but also to be out of chaos to be, in line to be lined up with yourself to be at peace with yourself and the third Point here from first Thessalonians 5:18, he is always be thankful, find things to be thankful about find things to you know I'm so glad I have you in my life I'm so glad they made that decision I'm so glad that Ricola wrappers are yellow because yellow is my favorite color. Little Things, to be thankful about don't give me that look that's a little thing to be thankful about tiny little thing seems completely innocuous but when I look at Agricola rapper and I see my favorite color I'm thankful that the crappers my favorite color, little bit of thankfulness in my life.

Pastor Newms:

[55:33] I'll give you that it brings you a little Joy.

Pastor Bill:

[55:35] Yeah bring me a little Joy I get a little serotonin boost right which then helps Mal look in my attitude, and then I end up making better decisions and and people want to be around me they want to be there for me when I need people, and so thankful this creates this this Synergy in your life where you are, continuing with that attitude that you said in your rejoicing in the small things your continuing on that attitude and just getting better and better day by day, and all of this is then pinned with this is the life God wants you to live this is how God wants you to live, he wants you to be celebrating the small victories and setting that attitude he wants you to be praying in, and be in that meditative sync with all of your being he wants you to be thankful so that you're walking out that attitude that you set and so that things are getting better and so that you are, attracting a tribe around you to help carry you forward and help you succeed and that. Is what I have to say about that.

Pastor Newms:

[56:55] And I think it goes back to the I think all of these these three tie-in so well you know. In prayer we are thinking all the time you know. And I think it is those those three together help like you're saying an attitude of fun and attitude of.

Pastor Bill:

[57:20] It's it's the trifecta of a healthy psychology. Really is rejoicing meditating and being thankful and as Christians our form of meditation is. But it's a psychological Trifecta that that helps create a healthy psyche and creates people that are. Whole and healthy and obviously, it's a day-by-day process everyone's on their own Journey everyone has their own struggles my struggles don't invalidate your struggles and vice versa my successes don't invalidate your successes vice versa, we can Rejoice with each other we can mourn with each other we can celebrate with each other we can, cry with each other we can be thankful for each other we can disagree and still be together, in harmony which is a beautiful thing alright you have anything you want to depend on the end of this concept Pastor Newms before. Awesome alright well we have this live recording every Sunday night at 6:30 Central p.m. And some Sundays we don't meet but you know that's life but we most Sundays 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time you can go to EK K dot house to find out where you can participate live We Do It, push it out through twitch Facebook and YouTube and we've got the little chat thing as you probably heard where people can chat in and, say I don't agree with that or ask questions or hey man you did that wrong, that's completely welcome and encouraged I, really enjoyed having the interaction tonight with Phoenix and zaidi and it was really great, and so yeah I think it's it was great, this podcast comes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time everywhere that you get, podcasts and we would love for you to share this if it helped you if you think it would help someone else and, I say um a lot when we're doing these parts.

Pastor Newms:

[59:51] You say I'm a lot overall but that's okay.

Pastor Bill:

[59:53] I guess I do so yeah so have a great week we love you guys.

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

And “Until next time…”

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Pastor Bill:
[0:05] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 54 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined with Pastor Newms, we're having a little bit of live issues this evening so if that keeps up then basically what we'll do is, I will record the video and then we can push the video out for you guys to watch if you are more of a visual person and then the audio recordings are separate from what goes out live and then so that will come out on Wednesday night without any problem. So tonight we are talking about an interesting topic that I don't want to talk about, Newms doesn't want to talk about, but we don't really pick the topics. I pray and I listen to what I think God wants us to talk about and I try to keep my ears open to hear what God wants us to be discussing. And so tonight we are talking about, for those programs that are more sensitive - hominid ownership. For those that aren't, basically we're talking about slavery. And I know there's there's a lot of contention over historical slavery and what the Bible... What The Narrative of the Bible is in relation to slavery, and a lot of people saying the Bible endorses slavery and is okay with slavery and that means God's okay with slavery, and on and on and on and and all of these issues. And our scripture for the night has nothing to do with the overall general theme of slavery, but has to do with one issue of slavery that we will discuss as part of what we're talking about tonight and so it's Proverbs 22:7, “The rich rule over the poor and the borrower is a slave to the lender,” and so that's more talking about the indentured servanthood part of slavery that we see a lot of expressed in the Bible. But then also we see the hardcore slavery in the Bible as well we see, um Moses will say things like, go and raze the city r a z e the city and enslave you know all of the young women and kill all the men and and blah blah blah, and so the Jewish people were definitely taking slaves, and we see that the Israelites themselves were living in slavery in Egypt for. How many hundreds of years was it? 300? 500? Hundreds of years they were in slavery in Egypt before before they were delivered from Egypt. And we see in the New Testament where it talks about you know we're no longer slaves to sin and so slavery is this this topic that's woven throughout the whole Bible and, and so there's there's there's stuff there to talk about but there's also a lot of Mine Fields and so I thought, we should... you know what.. we should warm up before we keep going but Newms is brain is like. Newms is laser focused on trying to figure out what's going on.

Pastor Newms:
[4:27] I'm trying not to be. I'm listening and you haven't said anything that needs my input yet.

Pastor Bill:
[4:35] But we can't warm up if your laser.

Pastor Newms:
[4:37] I am no no I'm I'm completely here. Trust me, I've been more laser focused on other things in the past times when I might or might not have been running dungeons during this broadcast so I mean this isn't that big of a deal it's just something's really really really wrong and, yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[5:02] There's nothing we can do about it we just have to record it and then we can push it out.

Pastor Newms:
[5:06] But we can't upload it in the same way it doesn't work that way on certain of the channels it doesn't do the same thing so.

Pastor Bill:
[5:26] Okay so how was your week.

Pastor Newms:
[5:30] Week was pretty good. I had a lot of work this week, was one of my weeks where I have meetings with the execs and so It was, you know, busy because of that but overall it was pretty good. Pretty standard week nothing too spectacular I didn't do anything crazy I did okay so I guess this is a little crazy, I started making bread again which I haven't made bread in said excuse me several several years. And decided this past week to give it a shot again to start trying to make. Bread and so that was good. It turned out pretty well I think so that was fun. Aside from that that's kind of kind of all I did this week. And the problem is is the people that are trying to watch have no idea what's going on because they can't get full sentences from us because we're dropping two-thirds of our stuff so that's why everyone keeps saying things because they, we're literally dropping 66 percent of our of our frames.

Pastor Bill:
[7:26] All right so how was your week Pastor Bill. Well my week was interesting I don't remember if we talked about it last week about my car the car breaking down.

Pastor Newms:
[7:37] I don't remember if we did or not.

Pastor Bill:
[7:41] So the Acura broke down, not this Thursday we just had, but the Thursday before that the the Acura broke down, and that's not awesome because that's our one family car and I worked on it worked on it worked on it couldn’t figure out what was wrong with it it's now sitting at a shop. Now I'm getting an alert from teams that my network quality is poor on what I'm sending to you.

Pastor Newms:
[8:22] It might actually be a Restream issue, I'm hearing there's actually eight reports of Restream issues in the last 10 minutes on Down Detector so there's a chance that it's actually not on our end. But yeah Sunday night's here we go.

Pastor Bill:
[8:46] Yeah so then we try to get a rental car and that was a no-go Uber apparently over books. For what rental cars they have like we drove to Richardson the closest Uber rental place to pick up the car that we had, reserved and received confirmation for only to find out that they had reserved and sent confirmation to 35 different people for the one car that they had available for the service. And since it's an hour and a half drive we obviously weren't the first people to show up because you know we're not insane we don't hate ourselves we're not going to get up at 6 a.m. to drive to Richardson I guess if we really really really wanted the car we could, um so that's all through but then we found a car to buy so now we have a car that we can drive a 2012 Chevy Traverse so and then once we get our Acura fixed, then we'll have two cars one car for the, Lyft and Uber that Bat-Brains A Bat Brain has been doing and then we'll use the Chevy Traverse as a family vehicle so well actually have two vehicles and be able to do all the things that, a family with two vehicles can do, which will be nice. So that was pretty much my week not a lot of normalcy and a lot of getting up and moving around which my body really doesn't like and so yeah that was my week. So alright let's time for work getting to know the pastor's it's your turn.

Pastor Newms:
[10:39] Is my turn yeah.

Pastor Bill:
[10:41] And I just want to preface this by saying Paster Newms, I know that you love my mother with all of your heart.

Pastor Newms:
[10:51] I do.

Pastor Bill:
[10:53] And she's a she's a wonderful woman and I have to let you know she does watch these videos, not live she watches him afterwards. Specifically so that she can fast-forward past getting to know the pastor's, and skips everything up until we're done with getting to know the pastor's, so that she can just get into what's going on and I thought I'd let you know that you guys are sympatico there.

Pastor Newms:
[11:27] It's a terrible terrible.

Pastor Bill:
[11:31] A terrible bit.

Pastor Newms:
[11:32] It's a terrible bit that I don't like but it is what it is casual like a lot of things in life.

Pastor Bill:
[11:41] Is vanities.

Pastor Newms:
[11:43] Surprising and yes the issue is on Restream because my internet connection is currently at 1 gig up and and.

Pastor Bill:
[11:51] Oh my gosh we don't need to keep talking about it.

Pastor Newms:
[11:54] You know we really do cuz it's all I'm going to be able to think about because. You know it's it's in and out in and out in and out so yeah kind of Okay so if you could have 50 pounds of anything other than money what would you want.

Pastor Bill:
[12:23] And I can do anything with this 50 pounds that I want and it can come from where I specify.

Pastor Newms:
[12:32] Fifty pounds of anything what do you want.

Pastor Bill:
[12:36] So I'm going to take 50 pounds of this belly fat and and remove it from my belly and throw it away.

Pastor Newms:
[12:45] Now it didn't say you could do so safely so now you are dead congratulations.

Pastor Bill:
[12:51] I've always had this stinkin belly always always it's always it's not you know it gets bigger proportionate to how old I am but I've always had this belly sticking out in front of me regardless. My whole life I've had this but you know a belly sticking out the older I get the bigger the belly yet but it's always been, you know like I'll meet people and and I'll be like oh wow you know eventually the top will come up I weigh this much and they're like you know, seen your face and and seen you from behind you don't look like you'd weigh that much but then I see the belly and I'm like yeah I do, I don't know how I get graced with such voluptuous. Spare tire here but here it is.

Pastor Newms:
[13:39] The love shoe is spare tire so.

Pastor Bill:
[13:44] Earlier earlier I called myself a dish a full rack of ribs.

Pastor Newms:
[13:52] All right 50 pounds of anything I'd have to say no that's not where your brain is going no that's not what we're going to say. Let's just go easy I want 50 pounds of gold.

Pastor Bill:
[14:10] Gold. What are you going to do with 50 pounds of gold?

Pastor Newms:
[14:11] Of solid gold well I'm going to sell it.

Pastor Bill:
[14:18] So like a brick how much does a brick of gold weigh.

Pastor Newms:
[14:21] 50 lb depends on the size of the brick I'm assuming.

Pastor Bill:
[14:28] No, there's a standard brick size.

Pastor Newms:
[14:31] So is there a standard gold brick. 40 troy ounces or 27 pounds no I get a brick and a little more because it's 27.4 pounds.

Pastor Bill:
[14:49] 40 troy ounces which is 400 regular ounces 27.4 pounds and, maybe not currently but that is valued at about 750,000 u.s. dollars and for those of you listening abroad that's about 11.33 kilograms.

Pastor Newms:
[15:14] So I'll take I'll take I'll take the one in three four nine tenths or whatever that would be blocks of gold and.

Pastor Bill:
[15:25] See you on bricks bars strips and slips of just gold not gold pressed latinum just.

Pastor Newms:
[15:34] Well gold-pressed latinum doesn't work, fictional Universe what I love what I love I was I was watching something I was on YouTube, and it was like how much is a piece of latinum like a gold-pressed latinum, yeah how much is a slip worth how much is a bar worth how in modern. And what they found is they can't answer it and looking through the show, um they specifically we're looking at DS9 but they couldn't figure out what it's actually worth because nothing that they use gold-pressed latinum from, is a valid thing in today's society that you could compare it to, cases of root beer, but they couldn't truly even score that due to the fact of since it was original bottled root beer not replicated, and it had to be shipped across the Galaxy they can't even, like equate that because what is shipping cost in modern so they couldn't. The person who was doing the video was like we don't we don't know.

Pastor Bill:
[17:10] So I can actually narrow that down some some more for you there the gold and the gold pressed latinum is worthless, it's literally just worthless because it's they can get anywhere in the universe the actual latinum that's inside of it is a liquid. Um there are slips strips. I'm missing one.

Pastor Newms:
[17:39] I think it was just slips trips and bars.

Pastor Bill:
[17:42] Sub strips bars bricks and. Anyway the smallest unit the slip if you take a medicine dropper you know like 44 liquid that has one drop. Of liquid latinum inside of it the slip right okay for, ha ha of land on beige or. Is worth five bars.

Pastor Newms:
[18:22] Yes yes.

Pastor Bill:
[18:23] Of gold-pressed latinum that is what is that 100 Acre 10 10 acres per hectacre or is it 100 acres per.

Pastor Newms:
[18:34] The person that I was watching said it's not a real measurement that's used in the show when they talk about the land on beige or.

Pastor Bill:
[18:46] Don't they use ha.

Pastor Newms:
[18:47] It's some other measurements.

Pastor Bill:
[18:51] Okay that does confuse things a bit more than.

Pastor Newms:
[18:54] That's why they were like there's nothing we can and they're like even if we could figure out how much the land would be worth there's a big difference between Landon rural Texas and Landon rule.

Pastor Bill:
[19:08] Tennessee yeah.

Pastor Newms:
[19:11] So you can't really.

Pastor Bill:
[19:13] Now there is the one episode where. Morn is involved it's a more heavy episode actually more side in the episode but it's a morn episode. Get that through your head and there's the issue of gold bricks, um that were stolen from the royal family of some planet and I'm trying to dance around the details so I don't spoil it too much for you for when we get there we'll because we're watching through DS9.

Pastor Newms:
[19:49] Cuz I've never finished it.

Pastor Bill:
[19:52] So basically the long and short of it is they finally find the stolen goods. Except someone has drained all the latinum from them, and basically it was enough value that cork was like I can retire from the bar I can buy the moon I've always wanted heck I can buy multiple moons I never need to work again, and it's just this little container that's like smaller than a smart car, and that cork is in it and he's like breaking open the bricks of gold just and their powdering away and he's crying and and just that pile of.

Pastor Newms:
[20:38] Goodbye Moon.

Pastor Bill:
[20:39] Goodbye multiple moons.

Pastor Newms:
[20:41] Nice it is interesting when you when you take a show like that and they just inflate something and then almost purposely make it to where you can never know what it actually means.

Pastor Bill:
[20:55] And it doesn't help that you know in that Universe the main society were following, has basically given up monetary anything they don't live in a monetary system anymore it's all a, socialistic communism that is democratically-elected like their Democratic Socialist stick communism, um if you blend it all the best parts of,
all of that together.

Pastor Newms:
[21:24] That's what's fun about a fictional universe is you can do that.

Pastor Bill:
[21:27] You can do that in a fixture universe and set an example for the real-world look at and aspire to, um which is not what Gene Roddenberry intended but is where the producers of the show went when mr. Roddenberry died.

Pastor Newms:
[21:44] Now he meant it.

Pastor Bill:
[21:46] Let's make something for people to Aspire to.

Pastor Newms:
[21:48] He was a known communist that's all I'm saying.

Pastor Bill:
[21:50] No he will but he wasn't interested in giving something good to Aspire to he was interested in shoving down your throat why capitalism doesn't work, and why we should be communist that was that was Roddenberry's thing but then after Roddenberry yeah. Okay I think we're sufficiently warmed up what do you think.

Pastor Newms:
[22:11] I think I want to keep talking about Star Trek and not the actual topic.

Pastor Bill:
[22:15] And not the actual topic to the topic tonight is it.

Pastor Newms:
[22:17] We could shift to the Kardashians and then get to the topic.

Pastor Bill:
[22:21] We really good if you missed it so far we're talking about slavery okay and so the way we're going to start this conversation about slavery Pastor Newms. I'm going to take two minutes. And give a comprehensive defense on the merits and value of slavery.

Pastor Newms:
[22:53] Why no we do.

Pastor Bill:
[22:54] Okay because we need to here we go and go.

Pastor Newms:
[23:03] I'm not going to sit here in silence for two minutes because there's nothing good about it if that's where the joke comes in you're really just going to she's going to sit there for two minutes y'all two minutes of dead air while I have to talk, because he's talking about what's good about slavery which is not I have do not have him you did, for those in radio land he's just quietly sitting there because there are no good merits, and he knows that I have to talk if he's not going to because we can't have dead air on a podcast for 2 minutes. And so he's continuing to look at the camera, I hope he adjusted his beard slightly and nodded but there is there is nothing being talked about because there is nothing good. I think that's two minutes cuz that's not how time works no okay okay. Doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo are you really going to wait the full two minutes okay we're going to wait the full two minutes okay. And now we are playing with a candle which is not to say that candles are the good parts of.

Pastor Bill:
[24:58] Okay so there you go that is a comprehensive list of all the value and merits of slavery okay slavery is bad. There is no need to debate, the value of slavery or whether it was ever right or whether it was ever good or there's this happened in the Bible that happened in the Bible, slavery bad, now we can go back and we can look at the Bible and we can talk about well this happened and this happened and that happened. But if this is your first time with the Berean Manifesto then you're gonna need to know that when we look back at things that happened in the Old Testament we don't take them out of context, we leave them in their context and we go okay that happened, at that time to those people is that a moral statement on how we should live today. And most likely, most likely the answer is not going to be yes because we're not them and we're not living in a, Warfare ridden Society where it's our city has to fight against your city or our City's going to be destroyed and your city is going to take us as slaves, that we don't live that life we are not those people, we can't look at their situation through the lens of our situation and say well that's an endorsement of slavery from the Bible, because it's not that's that's not how the Bible works newms and I were talking earlier about, um in reference to well why doesn't the Bible can dim slavery why doesn't say slavery is bad. And in some ways it talks about slavery being bad it talks about you know the borrower is a slave to the lender in, in the New Testament it talks about you know you were slaves to sin and Jesus came to set you free it is for Freedom that Christ set you free, and the New Testament talks about you know touches on especially Peter the writings of Peter if you become a Believer while you are a slave, then just trust God and continue living the life that you're in okay, and it's the issue is not honestly it's not whether or not the Bible does or doesn't endorse slavery it's that what the Bible he's doing is missed okay the Bible does not exist and we touched on this in a different concept last week, the Bible does not exist necessarily to challenge your cultural worldview. It exists to bring you the gospel and the basics of what you need to know to understand what salvation is, it does not exist to tell your culture. How to live or to change the world view of your culture that's not what the Bible is for, if you want to weaponize the Bible and try to get people to adhere to your culture because of what the Bible says, then you're using it wrong, the Bible should not be a weapon the Bible should not be an idol the Bible should not be a dust Gathering might eaten piece of nothing that's sitting on your shelf, you know you got to use it you gotta use it appropriately you gotta use it in context right and so, when we talk about slavery and we talk about the kinds of slavery that are mentioned in the Bible yes there's the absolute reprehensible you captured someone they are your slave you are treating them poorly like the Egyptians did you the Israelites like the Israelites did to foreigners from time to time and then you've got another type of slavery which is indentured servant Hood, Venture that servant is that the right word.

Pastor Newms:
[29:49] Indentured servant is the.

Pastor Bill:
[29:51] Serve servitude indentured servitude not serve it as in servanthood but it's service servitude.

Pastor Newms:
[29:57] Oh I heard.

Pastor Bill:
[29:59] Indentured servitude and basically what indentured servitude is is you have this debt that you can't pay,
and so you go and you borrow money from this lender to pay the debt except you have nothing to give the lender, and so since you don't have a job you don't have money you don't have any way to make money you then become an unpaid employee, of this person you live in their household you do what they tell you to do for a certain amount of time in order to pay off the debt you owe to them because of the money that you borrowed,
indentured servitude. And when Proverbs 22:7 says the rich rule over the poor and the borrower is a slave to the lender, this is specifically what this is talking about indentured servitude and we still have this today, um and thankfully for the Constitution United States of America and then lots of countries following suit, we no longer have debtors prisons, debtors prisons were I go to Wells Fargo when I'll borrow some money if I can't make my monthly payments then I could take you to jail until someone makes my monthly payments for me. That's debtors prison and there's a parable in Matthew, I didn't write down the reference a parable in Matthew where Jesus is talking about a man who owed a debt to the king, and the king called in the debt and the man couldn't pay it and so the king said Okay I want I want you guys to sell this man sell his wife and sell his children, into slavery so I can get my money and the man was like no no please have mercy on me please have mercy me in the king said okay, you go on you go ahead and figure out a way to get me the money and the man went to someone who owed him money and had the man thrown into prison because he couldn't pay him, where the where he would be then be tortured until someone could pay his debt this is debtors prison this is an idea that people have had for a long long long long time, but we basically live in the same institutionalized, indentured servant hood that servitude that the Bible uses the word slavery for. Not saying there's not the bad kind of slavery in the Bible we already acknowledged that and this kind of slavery is bad too, but it still happens people still willingly become an indentured servant, of some conglomerate to provide money for their lives now, we in the capitalist system we have what is basically soft slavery, where your boss says you got to come and give me this amount of hours and I will give you a certain amount of money and trade, this is a type of slavery this is a soft, slavery any contract that you enter into with another person that isn't 100% mutually beneficial and 100%, agreed upon on every term and doesn't lift and encourage and edify both parties lives, is a form of soft slavery. So if you're working.

Pastor Newms:
[33:46] I prefer the term wage slavery then soft slavery.

Pastor Bill:
[33:50] Wage slavery Works to I've never heard anybody call it wage slavery before but okay.

Pastor Newms:
[33:56] It's actually the common term being used Now by social lists interesting.

Pastor Bill:
[34:01] Never heard it before yes they should work harder and getting their social lists public published so I can read them. Because I never heard that term before okay um and then we have. Deeper and darker versions of soft slavery. Um for instance the contracts that actors signed to be in Marvel movies. You can only say this list of things, you cannot say this list of things you can only eat this these things you can only go to these places you must be here here and here when I say that you must be here and here and here, you must weigh this amount of this amount for every way in regardless and even if we do surprise weigh-ins you better not be announced over,
you have to do this you can't do that you had all on and on and on these Marvel contracts are, tantamount to slavery that these people are somehow.

Pastor Newms:
[35:11] Disney's even worse I think for their child actors.

Pastor Bill:
[35:14] Yes Disney with a child actress K-pop K-pop has long had a history of it's just straight slavery, it's not if we're not even play like these Studio these people sign away their lives to be a Slave, for however long the country just 7 years 10 years so that when the contracts over the hope is they'll have made a name for themselves and then can have a, a career in the industry.

Pastor Newms:
[35:43] Yep a lot of music is like that sadly even in America.

Pastor Bill:
[35:46] So we we still have slavery that we look at and go oh yeah it's just the way things are done. Absolutely I don't know how I got back off the topic but we had we were talking earlier about divorce you and I and. In relation to things the Bible says that God is not necessarily for but then tells you how to.

Pastor Newms:
[36:15] I forgot that conversation.

Pastor Bill:
[36:17] So we were talking about divorce because the Bible that God doesn't specifically say in the Bible I'm anti-slavery don't own another human being. Um but he does it is stated that God is against divorce and yet because,
the people in the cultures that God met with, to give the law to in to give the word to and all this stuff because they had hard hearts and were a stubborn people that wanted divorce even though it wasn't something got approved of. He allowed it. And even gave them you know. Stipulations on if you're gonna then at least do it this way you know, and so it's God is against if you know and so nobody looks at the Bible and goes well God endorses divorce, because he told them how to do divorces everybody looks to the bottom and goes yeah Gods against divorce it's messy it's wrong it's bad, and yeah he told them here's how you minimize the damage of divorce if you do it this way, it's going to be better it's not going to be great, right but then you got people look in the Bible and going got endorse his divorce got sorry got invoices endorses slavery because dedicated uh or God endorses abortion because, there was this this one thing about women if a man thinks his wife is cheating on him then he should go and do this thing. Let's just not have a Bible works.

Pastor Newms:
[38:03] Yeah and the Bible says things like you know all men are created in God's image you know men humankind, in God's image you know it talks about how in the can Revelation it talks about, every tribe Every Nation we're all in heaven together you know things like that so it's evident by. Guessing and you know assumptions that you know God views all humans as valid and I think.

Pastor Bill:
[38:42] Well now you're touching on Rachel slavery witch isn't even mentioned the Bible at all there's not one example of racial slavery anywhere in the Bible.

Pastor Newms:
[38:53] Well I don't mean even racial slavery it when all tribes are doing something because a lot of it was classist.

Pastor Bill:
[38:59] Okay well it's just where my brain went when you said you know we're all the same we're all good my mind automatically equates that to ya all races are the same we're all equal we're all.

Pastor Newms:
[39:11] Even even a lot of a lot of the older versions of slavery were not racial slavery they were, class slavery like what you're talking about in certain cultures there's a caste system.

Pastor Bill:
[39:30] I just I just want.

Pastor Newms:
[39:31] You know things like that.

Pastor Bill:
[39:32] Tack on to what I'm saying there when I think about race I've it's like it's like um.

[39:42] It's not.

Pastor Newms:
[39:46] Don't ask me I don't know what you're talking about.

Pastor Bill:
[39:49] What are those frozen treats that are nice cream but they're frozen and you eat them popsicles, it's like popsicles popsicles come in different colors and flavors but they all the same thing and they're all delicious.

Pastor Newms:
[40:06] No that's not true I'm sorry.

Pastor Bill:
[40:07] Races races the same way we come in different colors and we come in different flavors.

Pastor Newms:
[40:12] Behind that no because the Tangerine there's no reason to have Tangerine popsicles I'm sorry like I can't agree with you.

Pastor Bill:
[40:19] Well that's just your color if flavor wrist opinion you flavor rest but they're all they're all pops.

Pastor Newms:
[40:25] I agree and at some point in the last 15 minutes the stream fixed itself so it had to be restream because we didn't do anything.

Pastor Bill:
[40:36] So welcome we're talking about Popsicles tonight.

Pastor Newms:
[40:39] I just looked I just looked at the screen and I look down and it's green and, are dropped frames are dropping we're down at like 50 something percent and so at some point it fixed itself I don't know when but.

Pastor Bill:
[40:58] The people are researching went oh crap we gotta fix our stuff man.

Pastor Newms:
[41:02] Yeah it's probably what it was, or twitch just wasn't sure we were going with the slavery topic so they didn't want us to actually post it yet no like okay now they're not going the right we thought okay cool just let the stream go through.

Pastor Bill:
[41:18] Slavery bad slavery bad. People good. We love people. I like saying.

Pastor Newms:
[41:28] I understand.

Pastor Bill:
[41:33] Biggs says slave popsicle. See one popsicle can't enslave the other popsicle there popsicles are all equal.

Pastor Newms:
[41:45] What about the Popsicles that are stuck together and then you have to break them apart is that breaking up a marriage.

Pastor Bill:
[41:50] Those are married and you've instituted a divorce you evil being.

Pastor Newms:
[41:53] Oh that's just rude I'm sorry. All right yeah so I mean that's that's that's that's all I wanted to say.

Pastor Bill:
[42:19] Try Jesus don't try me.

Pastor Newms:
[42:25] So that's one of my favorite songs and it's all about ignoring a Biblical principle which is don't beat people up but at a point of it it says.

Pastor Bill:
[42:37] Lay hands upon them swiftly.

Pastor Newms:
[42:39] Yeah the there's a, there's a there's a part in it that says I know what the Bible says about getting slapped but that part of the Bible just don't sit right with me, try Jesus not me and we had a we had a friend in our game that we play, who some stuff happened and he did something he shouldn't have done and he's apologizing about it and I was like nah nah nah it's been this kind of week we going to kill him anyway, even though you were in the wrong to begin with because you're one of us, and they put your their hands on you so I'm going to go put my hands on them and, needless to say I was not the good example and actually said please do not tell feet which is Bill's name in the game that I am saying this because he will get onto me later, but, let's do it and then I posted that song could go see Jesus I'm will kill your ship I'ma blow I'm gonna blow your boat, but um.

Pastor Bill:
[43:52] I remember wondering that war with Q over their leader doing what he did with the homophobic slurs and all that, and they were like you're a Christian you're being a hypocrite what about what would Jesus do, and I and I said well he given his history he's likely to make a weapon. And beat you with it and that's the Jesus you're getting out of me right now.

Pastor Newms:
[44:22] Yeah I was not a strong suit day for you you are a little upset that day.

Pastor Bill:
[44:28] That day that two weeks I was very upset.

Pastor Newms:
[44:31] Well he said things that were inappropriate and not just he insulted women. People I mean it was a whole it was a whole thing like anyway um and that's one of the things we have to do as Christians is stand up for, people and treat them how Jesus would treat them which sometimes is taking their offenses and, defending them now in a video.

Pastor Bill:
[45:01] If you think.

Pastor Newms:
[45:02] And people up is easy.

Pastor Bill:
[45:04] That's social justice and Christianity are incompatible then I think you misunderstand both. Because Christianity is heavily rooted in social justice and you cannot turn a blind eye to this to to the struggles of your brother. And say that you love God at the same time that's not Christianity.

Pastor Newms:
[45:41] And and that's a huge thing in talking about slavery standing up for those that are, oppressed, still you know your people who are stuck in the darkest forms of slavery that are current in today's society of owning humans and trafficking them and such, we have to stand up against that, and you can't turn a blind eye to it we were talking the other day about something and someone brought up you know do you know how many Indians Native Americans disappear every year off of reservations, and no one ever hears from them and you know, it's one of those things where it's like sadly and it's ridiculous and, you know we have to stand against those kinds of things and help where we can.

Pastor Bill:
[46:44] You know when the government set up reservations, and said we're going to gift you this land the bulk of Native American people from what I've, been taught and read and heard we're on board cool we can govern ourselves we can look after our own stuff that it. It was it was just another example of a really really bad idea,
because instead of embracing people, and using their knowledge and and elevating them to places of leadership and learning from their wisdom and incorporating them into our culture and, you know helping look after these people we created these little islands of. Not quite self-sustaining cultures that now. They deal with these issues of like you said people going missing and nobody getting a chance to hear about it somebody was taking pictures of what they pay in the grocery store for things like ketchup, it was like six bucks for just a regular jar of ketchup and and on and on and on I all these really heavily inflated prices because, everything has to be imported or exported from their reservation because they're not considered part of u.s. territory. And so they've they're literally there's this choke hold, on these reservations in the people that are living there and and if you if you live near that and you think that's not your problem and you're a Christian then. You need to think again, did there's this is just as there's things that are not right and when we say things like well if only the government would love to church do its job, that's that's deflecting only say That's supposed to be the church's job. Your church is it getting involved that's deflecting the things that are supposed to be the church's job. It's supposed to be the church is job I am the church you are the church. Every Christian every believer makes up the church things that are supposed to be the church's job that's you and I as Believers responsibility. You and I are supposed to be leading programs to feed the poor, take care of widows and orphans to look out for the underprivileged the disenfranchised the prisoner, the slave I mean literally go read what Jesus said where were you when I was hungry, when I was thirsty when I was poor and naked when I was in prison and sick where were you. Because it is your responsibility and is my responsibility. And when we talk about things like slavery and we automatically think physical slavery. We haven't missed the point. But we need to expand what we're thinking about because there are people that are spiritually in slavery, to alcoholism drugs sex addiction poverty it's all around us. And it's our job as individuals that make up the church. To bring the good news to people that are enslaved to the darkness not with the attempt to change their world view. It's not our job to stand on the street corner and revolutionize the way someone sees the world. It's our job to bring the cold a blanket and show them that they are loved and that they do have value. That is the beginning of the Gospel words come later worldview comes later. That's all I have to say about slavery had no idea where that was going to go tonight but I think I think we finally caught a a stream of Direction there. The Berean Manifesto we record live every Sunday evening and when technology allows us, it goes well and you can watch it live with us at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time We stream to YouTube twitch and Facebook once again when the technology works right, however we record the audio for this separately from what we stream live and so the audio is recorded and does come out on Wednesday nights as a, podcast at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time anywhere that you get your podcasts you can find the Berean Manifesto there, we bring you faith hope and love for the, modern Christian so hopefully you can come back and join us either in future to listen a future podcast or joining us live where you can. Enjoy the things that don't make it into the Final Cut, um podcast and see the technical difficulties that we face not that newms can stop talking about it long enough for it to not show up on the podcast because I ain't going through and editing all that out that's way too much work, um and you can come and feel the awkwardness with us when we feel like the Holy Spirit wants us to talk about things like slavery, Joy yeah, and then you can actually participate in the chat via twitch Facebook YouTube and it'll all stream into our Discord server where I have it open here so I can you can be a part of the conversation as the questions bring rare bottles. Literally be a part of the conversation so yeah we'd like for more people to come and be a part of what's going on so, join us sometime we'd love to have you here now that my life is reached well that of that I've got my car problems figured out for the moment perhaps we'll do some gaming with the pastor's this week, and so you can come hang out with us on Twitch Pastor newms is channel on Twitch you can go to EKK.house to find out more about how you can get a hold of us and what channels were using when we are live, and we love you guys we honestly want to bring a focus on faith hope and love and grow together and encourage everyone, to not just blindly believe what you're taught or what we teach you, but to be Berean digging in the scriptures for yourself I hope you have a great week and I love you guys.

Pastor Newms:
Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:
And Until next time...

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Pastor Bill:

[0:05] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 53 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I'm joined by Pastor Newms, I'm in Texas, he's in Tennessee. Were you saying it's cold in Tennessee right now.

Pastor Newms:

[0:24] Um it is it's chilly he don't want to say it's cold but it is chilly. It's jacket weather for normal people I wore long sleeves today can't you tell.

Pastor Bill:

[0:43] Yeah I see that, ABatBrain on Twitch asks, "But what does bussin mean? It means like delicious, like it tastes good.

Pastor Newms:

[1:01] That's not what that means but okay.

Pastor Bill:

[1:02] It is, that's what Gerg told me. We got Biggs and Phoenix and Zaydiee and ABatBrain all joining us on Twitch. If you're listening to this and you've found the podcast or your you are reading the transcript somewhere we would love to invite you to join us on Sunday evenings... are you seriously pulling up Google to check what bussin means - delicious as if I didn't check it after my son told me that's what it meant. All right so we want to invite you to join us on Sunday evening at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time when we record this podcast live. We do so almost every Sunday there are times when we don't like on Halloween, myself and Newms' family consider Halloween to be a family holiday and so we spend that time with our family instead of recording a live podcast with our lovely online audience on a regular here, we have it set up where you can watch it live on YouTube, Twitch, or Facebook and interact in the chat,

questions or comments or concerns or you just you want to argue about you know the meaning of the scripture or something like that as long as we keep it respectful of each other and we're on topic. Within reason, you know sometimes we get off topic that's fine then you're welcome to join us you don't even have to be a believer you can literally come with honest questions and we'll give you as honest and answer as. Sometimes the answer is I don't know then you know that's an honest answer to... Newms will you please stop the badunking in my ear sending me private messages on Discord?

Pastor Newms:

[2:48] I don't know what you're talking about I'm not sending private messages in Discord to prove you wrong because you are using a word that does not always mean food is delicious no not at all not even a little.

Pastor Bill:

[3:13] Cool so ABatBrain on Twitch is talking about it's a Bat Newms, Biggs talking about there's a Bat Newms because the Newms is wearing a shirt with gray and black, and the sleeves are gray and the the chest area is black with a yellow Batman symbol on it very reminiscent, not quite of the 60s Batman, you know not the TV show but reminiscent more of the Dark Horse Comics Batman style so it's a nice.

Pastor Newms:

[3:49] And actually the arms actually say dark night yeah so I would say it's definitely Dark Horse.

Pastor Bill:

[3:57] If you're looking for the spirit that Batman was intended to be written in go a Dark Horse Comics. If you're looking for the,

fluffy I never kill anyone (Said in a low toned scruffy voice) Batman then you're looking for DC, if you're expecting the I never killed anyone Batman when you get Dark Horse then you've gone to the wrong. I guarantee you you're in the wrong.

Pastor Newms:

[4:20] Yes you're you have downloaded the wrong comic. Now it's there's there's lots of different iterations of lots of different characters and this is definitely the darker version.

Pastor Bill:

[4:41] All right so how was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:

[4:44] Um my week was pretty good, it was pretty bland. The time changed last week and I am one of those individuals that is extremely,

affected by time change I. My my internal clock rules a lot and so would that time changes you know all of a sudden, I'm up at 4:00 a.m. but not out of bed and tired at 9 and you know, starving at 9 a.m. and it's it was just messy and I I don't like it and so I slept a lot because I just. I don't like the time change and it messes with me hardcore so I suffer a lot, and worked a bunch and slapping played Star Trek that's that's really it I didn't even do much other games just because. I was tired cuz I don't like the time change how was your.

Pastor Bill:

[5:57] I like this part of the time change when we go in Daylight Savings Time versus. The other time.

Pastor Newms:

[6:13] Well it's all daylight savings it's.

Pastor Bill:

[6:14] Fall clock instead of the spring clock when we Spring Forward an hour I feel like I'm a Zombie for like two months trying to catch up never able to get enough sleep, but when the clock Falls backwards I instantly feel energized and like okay I'm ready to take on the world now, from the moment it happens I'm just like cool let's do it and then in the spring when there was spring forward I'm like. Can I can I can I buy a vowel.

Pastor Newms:

[6:48] If I'm not mistaken if I'm not mistaken this is the time it's actually supposed to be.

Pastor Bill:

[6:56] Yes if we got rid of daylight savings time then the fall is what it would be normally is yeah we would just stay in this set up now the sun obviously would. Continuous weird cycle of going to bed early and getting up late and changing throughout the seasons and we would notice a drastic difference in how the Sun behaves, comparatively to our clocks because what we've been used to but yes this is the timeframe that we would say.

Pastor Newms:

[7:32] Yeah it makes I I just don't like change is really what it comes down to.

Pastor Bill:

[7:36] Big says we need to stay here just like I think we need to stay in.

Pastor Newms:

[7:42] I agree there's no reason to be bouncing back and forth in today's society there was no reason in Old Society to be.

Pastor Bill:

[7:49] What kind of was I mean I get why they did it and even 10 years ago, for some parts of the United States technology still hadn't gotten to the level where it was completely unnecessary in agricultural communities. Um but at this point there are so few communities, that still need daylight savings time that it's not even worth having anymore.

Pastor Newms:

[8:19] I actually read something if someone complaining because the the switch actually causes problems because they have less time at like farmer's markets and stuff now then.

Pastor Bill:

[8:33] Will also in the spring the amount of accidents in the morning when people are trying to go to work increases dramatically. Because of the caught springing forward and everyone losing that hour and all crap Breaks Loose as far as people actually trying to focus and do things right so for me this.

Pastor Newms:

[8:55] It's almost like the human body wasn't supposed to be.

Pastor Bill:

[8:57] It's almost like the human body wasn't supposed to have its circadian rhythm being jacked around by preset clock that mankind decided for it, bright so my week that part of my week was good the rest of the every other part of my week. Yes every other part of my week has been challenging and and so I'm emotionally pretty emotionally exhausted you know like I said I'm physically I'm Jazz you know I'm like, but emotionally it's been a week our car is, sitting in the driveway undriveable and I can't get the shop that I wanted to take it to they haven't called me back we got to get a rental car and I just. It's been two days trying to fix the engine trying to figure out what was wrong with it and try and all the, simple troubleshooting things that I know of and or that I could Google up, and it still won't stay running but yeah so that's this this week has been it's been a bit much.

Pastor Newms:

[10:22] Yeah it was it was rough.

Pastor Bill:

[10:24] It was a rough week so before now that's right not before now it's time for getting another pastors and it's an odd episode so I will be pulling my car.

Pastor Newms:

[10:36] And because I did it last week. Biggs asked if you put the correct gas in your car which is a direct dig at my wife who at one point did not.

Pastor Bill:

[10:46] See now you ruined my joke in response I was going to say nope my name is still has a tea.

Pastor Newms:

[11:03] It's amazing what six dollars of diesel will do to a car.

Pastor Bill:

[11:05] Ha ha Zaydiee on Twitch just wow really hey Biggs gotta throw shade at somebody I mean that's what he does you literally comes on and he sits there and he thinks about our who can I throw shade. Bill drinking apple juice I'm gonna throw shade at it for drinking apple juice this week it was your turn Zaydiee, your turn to get shade okay. The card said, "What is something you like that most people don't?" What do I like the most.

Pastor Newms:

[12:03] I mean I think it would need a definition of what most people are I have a lot of fandoms and some of them are Arad yeah. Tina Tina wins Zaydiee wins.

Pastor Bill:

[12:19] You mean Zaydiee, Zaydiee wins. Zaydiee calm down, you don't gotta throw out several.

Pastor Newms:

[12:27] Zaydiee likes Goldfish crackers dipped in chocolate pudding which is. All kinds of makes me wonder why we're married.

Pastor Bill:

[12:46] Okay.

Pastor Newms:

[12:47] Now.

Pastor Bill:

[12:48] I like movie adaptations of novels. Especially when they're made by like the Sci-Fi channel and like. They're super low budget and so it's like corny as all get-out, and they're using like airsoft guns as if they're like P90s, hey you know and run around in these uniforms that they bought from nervy Army-Navy surplus they don't even match each other and they're supposed to be on the same team and I don't like this is so bad it's good, but then also like when they remake a novel like four big movie theaters, and they like re-envision the story you know and people were like Hey we're on this do you change the and I'm like you know what artistic license I can appreciate both, can appreciate the novel and I can appreciate their artistic revision and that's the part that, according to Newms is face I'd like to most people don't.

Pastor Newms:

[13:57] Yes I just got done complaining the fact that I'm pretty sure they've destroyed She-Hulk with the new.

Pastor Bill:

[14:05] Really I can't wait to see it then.

Pastor Newms:

[14:06] Based on based on based on one aspect that is in a commercial.

Pastor Bill:

[14:15] Pastor names you haven't answered yet and a bat burning says she was surprised that her answer about what she likes that most people don't wasn't her husband pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:

[14:27] Yeah yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[14:29] See but that's the thing most people like news they just immediately like Newms and for no reason.

Pastor Newms:

[14:38] No there is no reason.

Pastor Bill:

[14:44] Just lady says just appreciate the artistic whatever Bill said.

Pastor Newms:

[14:49] I can't like I don't appreciate artistic license I I am.

Pastor Bill:

[14:53] Like the Green Lantern movie with with that one guy who's that guy's name.

Pastor Newms:

[15:00] You're gonna make me mad on two counts here one for not remembering Ryan Reynolds name and 24 not for even we that movie doesn't actually exist it's a Smith.

Pastor Bill:

[15:09] I'm a fan of Green Lantern right it's not a myth I'm a.

Pastor Newms:

[15:12] It's a it's a myth that movie is a myth.

Pastor Bill:

[15:16] And I like that movie even though it's.

Pastor Newms:

[15:18] That movie doesn't exist that movie never actually existed.

Pastor Bill:

[15:20] I've loved that movie every time it comes on on Hulu or whatever I might get we're watching Green Lantern.

Pastor Newms:

[15:26] That's a Mandela effect that movie doesn't exist sorry that movie does not actually exist.

Pastor Bill:

[15:35] Solutely does exist.

Pastor Newms:

[15:38] No no it does not exist in today's timeline sorry.

Pastor Bill:

[15:42] Alright Pastor newms you still haven't.

Pastor Newms:

[15:44] I am still trying to think of something that. I mean most of my most of my fandoms and things that I truly enjoy or what everyone else enjoys.

Pastor Bill:

[16:09] You like Ferengi.

Pastor Newms:

[16:13] I do love Frankie's most people don't do they I do love the Frankie culture because they're just a bunch of capitalists jerks and I really like.

Pastor Bill:

[16:26] To the nth degree of insanity they are capitalist jerks like to a comical level.

Pastor Newms:

[16:33] Well that's the whole point like they're supposed in so that's something that a lot of people, and I've gotten crap for this but I'm going to say it anyway a lot of people don't realize that the creator of Star Trek, preferred certain economic structures that America doesn't have and so all of the structures that he doesn't like he makes the bad aliens have. And his children are similar and so it's just continued on through the legacy of you know certain economic and political structures good everyone else terribly bad, and then put the capital of the world France.

Pastor Bill:

[17:24] Not just the world the capital of like the, the 19 or whatever planets that it is.

Pastor Newms:

[17:41] Only a communist would put the capital of everything and sorry I wasn't saying what belief systems I'm sorry nobody nobody's putting.

Pastor Bill:

[17:51] Who I laughed so hard just now I almost passed out. My back brain says Christopher Eccleston. Something that she likes that most people don't like I don't think that's really fair though I think if people give him a chance they would like him. He wasn't given a lot of material to really give him that big of a.

Pastor Newms:

[18:22] He wasn't and that's why I don't think anyone could I thought he was great but I like weirdos so.

Pastor Bill:

[18:29] I thought he was way better than Matt Smith and Matt Smith got a huge huge time on Doctor Who and so many people liked him and I'm like if they'd given Christopher Eccleston the kind of writing and the amount of time at Matt Smith God, and Christopher Eccleston would be a really popular Doctor Who.

Pastor Newms:

[18:49] I am I really I have to agree with Bat-Brains and Zaydiee though my favorite doctor is probably the War Doctor.

Pastor Bill:

[18:59] John Hurt

Pastor Newms:

[19:01] Just an end the bad part is is it's just because of who it is.

Pastor Bill:

[19:06] Well.

Pastor Newms:

[19:06] It's just because of the actor.

Pastor Bill:

[19:08] You know there really was no word doctor until Christopher Eccleston said he wouldn't be in the 50th and John Hurt was like yeah I want to be in Doctor Who and so then they they created a war doctor character.

Pastor Newms:

[19:24] Either way he's probably my favorite.

Pastor Bill:

[19:26] 8.5 they call him. Because it was always believed that it was you know eight and then the end of eight in the beginning of nine were the two doctors that fought in that war yeah but anyway. Nevermore.

Pastor Newms:

[19:46] Bats the I just love John Hurt and.

Pastor Bill:

[19:51] I love it his catchphrase was never more though I really like that it's very po s.

Pastor Newms:

[19:58] If we want to make Tina cry we can even about three more actors and Zaydiee will be balling in the office in the in the. I'll all you have to say is John Hurt.

Pastor Bill:

[20:09] No no we're not we're not going there we're not going there we're not going there stop.

Pastor Newms:

[20:12] You have to say. I'm going to be in trouble what is what is Snape's name.

Pastor Bill:

[20:22] Are you quite done yet.

Pastor Newms:

[20:25] But it snaps real name.

Pastor Bill:

[20:26] All right so tonight. It doesn't rhyme with Smelling Rickman.

Pastor Newms:

[20:35] Alan Rickman and then if you say the lead singer of Linkin Park she's done she's done for the day and.

Pastor Bill:

[20:46] All right so tonight we have named this podcast what did I name this podcast.

Pastor Newms:

[20:52] What did you name this pain.

Pastor Bill:

[20:53] Was some convoluted sentence that didn't make any sense on purpose I don't look it up.

Pastor Newms:

[21:00] You hurt my brain sometimes bill.

Pastor Bill:

[21:05] Is God has always and will be male. Is the name of tonight's episode is God has always and will be male.

Pastor Newms:

[21:19] You want to type that out just to make it easier.

Pastor Bill:

[21:21] Yeah I'll type that out in the Discord let's see us is God.

Pastor Newms:

[21:24] It's a that's a Maxima.

Pastor Bill:

[21:27] Has opened up I put in a coma where there shouldn't be a comma has.

Pastor Newms:

[21:32] Yes because that's going to fix this. That is the name of the.

Pastor Bill:

[21:45] Sitting here it says podcast is God has always and will be male so that's what we're talking about is is the god of the Bible let's be very specific here because that's what we're talking about is the god of the Bible. Male.

Pastor Newms:

[22:01] Specifically the god of the Jewish and Christian cultures because there are other gods named in the Bible to be clear.

Pastor Bill:

[22:09] Yes male or female or no nothing none or all or what big says it doesn't matter. And then he grew continue he finishes his sentence with he's God. Wherein lies the point is we are, as we've talked about Disciples of Christ we go out into the world we make friends we share the gospel and more often than not in modern culture. We say very simple if statements that to us seem simplistic like it doesn't matter he's God and what wasn't intended as I microaggression. Comes across and pushes people away from having that intimate relationship with you so that you can then share the gospel with them, there's nothing wrong. With what you said Biggs there's nothing wrong. Problem is that so he resets it in an act completely accurate biblically accurate statement which I love. So the reason we're talking about it is that very reason is that in the culture that we're in we need to actually know what the Bible says about the, so that when we are confronted by someone who says, hey you said this and that upset me and I don't want to be your friend because you believe that I'm wrong because you used the word he in relation to God and I believe that that brings up, every hurt and pain that I've ever had from every Christian person who was doing it wrong not you. But like we talked about before. When you hold on to unforgiveness you create a future where you see your past hurt. In the innocent things that happen around you. And we're doing what we do ministry to people that have been hurt by everything in the world. Church mailman fathers mothers I mean you can be hurt by anything and if you don't make the conscious decision to forgive that can stick with you forever. But the statement that Biggs made that is so amazingly crafted is they referring to God they can take any form. But Jesus was male and so we're actually going to break that down and we're going to look at what does the Bible say right and so. The things we're going to talk about are constricted to what is Within These 60 66 books that are collected into a Bible right. Not because this is everything we know, about God and not because everything there is to know about God is Within These pages, but because like we talked about in the previous episode and I like the way it was the idea of the way it was put by the person who first suggested these specific 66 books, this is the basic knowledge you need to know to understand salvation. And when we have these discussions on what do we believe theologically. It is honestly best to keep them within the framework of what everyone has. Which is these basic. Teachings for understanding salvation so that's why we're keeping this conversation here and not extra-biblical, we would most likely have, certain different viewpoints overarching lie at the end of the conversation if we did include, extra biblical works from here and there and Sumerian tales and Babylonian myth and data data data data that's not the conversation we're having right all right, so when we ask the question of is God male or what. We get a lot of different viewpoints and and more and more in today's culture, we're seeing even more viewpoints coming across where people are saying that God is androgynous or God is non-binary God is this God is that you've got the die-hard God is a man, group that will argue all day long, that God is a man because the Old Testament uses the word he when it refers to God and it uses he over and over and over again, and so God must be a man because God revealed to the writers what to write every word to write because that's what inspired means which we've already had that conversation that's not what inspired. Inspired, means God gives them the inspiration and and then it is filtered through their culture filtered through their Viewpoint filtered through their worldview and then comes out on the page so, if for instance in this case the descendants of Abraham, because remember Abraham found favor with God when no one else did and his descendants are then the chosen people not because of them but because of Abraham, if his descendants were then a patriarchal society which they were. Then anytime that God spoke to them it would go through a filter of. Power and authority means man so God must be a man and it would come out that way it would come out he his him. That would be the Viewpoint that the scriptures were written. Serious theologians people that have you know done lots of years of study and cross-reference lots of writings Almost 100% across-the-board, agree that God has no gender at all no gender, like he's not androgynous not I said it I said he, God is Not androgynous God is Not 9-ball non-binary not male not female not otherwise, but God is a spirit and therefore has no physical body and therefore, is not male and is not female is not a combination of both is not a combination of none it's just not a question because, it's not something they got needs as a spirit he doesn't have to have a gender and that's what. The common belief amongst most major theologians is but when you ask them why, where is this proof generally they point to John that's a past Pastor John chapter 4. And verse 24 and have your for 24 and they read. God is a spirit and those who worship Him must Worship in spirit and in. Except that's not really an answer I mean it says God is a spirit but nowhere in there does that actually say Spirits don't have gender. So I you know I understand after years of study and yada yada that that that's their jumping off point but to the common person who's trying to understand, what do I identify God as that's very inadequate. Um so this point Newms did you have anything you wanted to interject here before I move on to the next little section.

Pastor Newms:

[31:14] At this at this point no I'll say. That you know I've always believed in God as genderless because of the spirit aspect. But genderless in the fact that there is no physical gender.

Pastor Bill:

[31:48] No genitalia to speak of.

Pastor Newms:

[31:51] Yes exactly there's no genitalia so you don't have a gender but that does not necessarily.

Pastor Bill:

[31:57] That doesn't even fit the modern definition of gender that so many.

Pastor Newms:

[32:02] Correct.

Pastor Bill:

[32:05] Groups of culture have grabbed ahold of you know.

Pastor Newms:

[32:10] Yes correct and so for me, I've always leaned a certain way on that line when I started thinking about okay well that was all that was a It's Kind like you said you know yes that's here's the verse to use. But that doesn't actually answer the question and so I've always let leaned a certain way. But we'll continue to get to that point.

Pastor Bill:

[32:45] So when we look back in. Christianity to understand the really. Staunch view that God is male and God identifies as male. Then we find ourselves going back as far as and now we're talking about when we go to the original languages and what God himself says himself,

who God themselves says see a senior in your learning and your studying and you're trying to change it's not all that easy, um themselves cells about themselves oh gosh then when we find Jesus referring to God as a father. And himself being male. Then that's where in our modern Minds we form this idea that God was always, father and God was always male okay. Now I'm kind of jumping around in my notes here because that's the way my brain is Flowing now. We go down to the always great when your brain throws you a curveball and you've got to jump somewhere else in your notes.

Pastor Newms:

[34:24] And an out while you're looking through your notes I'm going to touch on what's being said in chat, big said that they don't need gender to reproduce and I would think, what you possibly mean Biggs is God doesn't need a gender to create more than even to reproduce and then Phoenix asks if there is gender how then, can they be all things to all people like a mother to the motherless and a father to the fatherless. So that's a very good question that we're going to talk about more here as we go.

Pastor Bill:

[35:10] Well we don't want to deny current theological beliefs that the church holds, cross you know pretty much across the board so when to make this more inclusive of a conversation so we're not negating, people who might want to learn but are in the culture of the church who have been taught God's a male jedidah the theological answer to Phoenix is question is, that there's God the Father God the son and that the Holy Spirit, fulfills that mother relationship the compassionate nurturing motherly interaction so then God can because God is that trinitarian. Being he can both, be a father as God the father and be a mother as the Holy Spirit and then be a brother, and a friend as Jesus the son, and so that is the pat theological answer to that question but as we, go into our study and we focus on you know well what is the evidence about where where we what we should be believing based on what the Bible says, um and obviously go back and look at all the evidence and decide for yourself just like always use the breathing method just because I say it or Newms says it, doesn't mean it's true,

you need to go and study it out for yourself and make sure so we're going to jump down to Isaiah and my notes down to Isaiah 9:6 and I'm not clicked in the chat anymore to type that in. You did you did okay okay Isaiah 9:6 and forgive me if I don't turn to the page in my, in my Bible but I've already got it typed it in my notes I'm just going to read it from my notes save us a few seconds here for a child will be born for us a son will be given to us and the government will be on his shoulders, he will be named wonderful counselor Mighty God Eternal Father Prince of Peace. So according to the Prophecies of Isaiah God became known as a Eternal Father. The moment that Jesus was born and Jesus himself was that Eternal Father. Because he was God and so according to Isaiah this leads us to. Assume infer deduct that or is that induction or. Anyway we get to this conclusion that Isaiah believed God not to have a gender until Jesus was born. And then became this father figure this male figure, when Jesus was born so the question of is the god of the Bible the Hebrew the god of the Hebrews the god of Isaac Jacob Abraham Abraham Isaac and Jacob sorry I gotta say it the right way, is that God male or female We Now find ourselves having to split that in time. We have to talk about before the birth of Jesus what was the state of God and then after the birth of Jesus what was the state of God because as Biggs said. Jesus who is God was born male and then Jesus who was God, taught pray Our Father what is it to you if I say my. Go out and baptize in the name of the. Because from that point on yes absolutely God had this male identity this, Des gender identity, um and a lot of people like to say well God can never change its right there in the scriptures well that's obviously not true because he put on a skin suit, and became a human being and that's a pretty big change from being god of the universe, you know Big O god of the universe to being a little baby in a skin suit so obviously God can change and that verse that you're quoting about in God there is no shadow of turning, doesn't mean what you think it means it means something else and I encourage you to go back to that verse and find out, what does that verse mean then because obviously God can change otherwise, there wouldn't have been a Jesus in flesh because but going from God to flesh is a big change okay, um also when we're reading the teachings of Jesus we have to consider the fact that Jesus was teaching. To a society that was largely made up of fishermen. And Shepherds and people that worked in the fields and Farmers you know.

Who were all from a patriarchal society so, this idea of God as a father was was more than just you know Jesus was born as a man and and now that God is a father, has to fit into the culture of, about different spiritual Concepts they were all agricultural in nature not to say that we should all be farmers. But to say that that was the best way to teach to that audience. Now Phoenix asks and this is a great question. What about God is the same today yesterday and forever so how can you say that God changes. And I think. The verse that you are asking about is Hebrews 13:8. I hate it when I pass over Hebrews and then when trying to go back to it I can't and I think is my fat fingers Hebrews chapter 13 verse 8 newms can you tap that into the chapter for me Hebrews 13:8 it says, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. Right so if he uses the word forever to mean going forward for all time. Then why would he use words as such as yesterday and today and not. Always has been and today and always will be I've always read this verse to mean, that for them the Jesus of literally yesterday the day before today is the same Jesus as today is the same Jesus as always will be. That's not to mean that he never changed in the past that God never changed in the past but that the same Jesus you leaned on yesterday. Was available today and will always be available it will always be. He says don't be led by a stray by strange teachings don't let people tell you what you can and can't eat.

Pastor Newms:

[44:19] Yeah and and I think you know that that gets to be very. We're at 50 minutes in by the way.

Pastor Bill:

[44:32] Here comes the English language claim.

Pastor Newms:

[44:38] Think. The the aspect of of the English actually I'm not even going to say English the human understanding of. The almost did it billion I almost said of the trilogy instead of instead of and I told Bill I was going to accidentally say it because I said it, as a slip in our pre meeting and I was like I'm gonna try real hard not to do that and I still almost did, you know the human understanding of. Laughs Trinity in that that verse specifically doesn't say God doesn't change it specifically says. Jesus doesn't change so to me what I've always taken that to mean is. Jesus you know in the Old Testament when Jesus was taking a form and walking around it was Jesus when in the New Testament when Jesus was.

Pastor Bill:

[45:51] Without a physical body but without a physical body.

Pastor Newms:

[45:57] Right right just taking a walk when Jesus was there there when Jesus was forward forward. That's what I've always taken that to mean is the spirit of Jesus is always Jesus the, and yes you know they are three in one but it does get really hairy when you start, to break that down I think c.s. Lewis says it the best it's like a 2d drawing that you've drawn looking up at its creator and saying oh yeah I understand how that is because I understand what to D is, and I think we hit that same thing with situations like this because we know God changed.

His mind he, changed aspects of himself at certain points because of that you know he gave Grace when he wanted to, not he gay you know so things like that is how I've always looked at it.

Pastor Bill:

[47:14] Big says Biggs on Twitter says he is not on our timeline they can jump forward or backward I don't agree with that statement not that the Bible ever. Mentions God time traveling. Or any kind of time travel but when I look at the the whole of God's creation God put Creation in motion. Put time in motion and to vend violate that. And to interject here and then pull out and interject you know and and after after knowing and go back and change the way that you framed that seems like it would be a violation of his own laws. He controls time,

this once again we're getting off topic but but in that we are describing a god that is all powerful. But when we go and we read in Genesis,

we go through the steps of God giving up power over certain things and no longer having the authority to exercise that power, and time would theoretically fall under one of these things, that God gave up the authority over. And knowing the in from the beginning which is the big one that people grab ahold of for the time conversation does not mean the same thing as, time travel or being outside of time it's simply could be a reference to a being that is smart enough and, good enough at following through on what it looks like things are happening, to 100% of the time know how things are going to end up. Um Zaydiee says if we if God never chair ever or never not sure what she meant they're never or ever changed probably never, how then can we trust by only to the fact that he slashed they are the same yesterday past today and forever well for one, faith is, blind trust that's the very essence of what faith is and for to we have this verse in Hebrews telling us that Jesus won't change again and since he's God, that means God isn't going to change again but there was never any to my knowledge,

promise of God not being able to change he even decides, doesn't like the fact that he made mankind. That's that's the change sighs he wants to kill everyone with a flood but then we get back to the authority thing he has to go to Noah and say hey no here's my plan and Noah has to sign off on it.

Pastor Newms:

[50:39] What is Malachi 3:6 say.

Pastor Bill:

[50:42] You off on your own Rabbit Trail over here.

Pastor Newms:

[50:54] That is God.

[51:00] What is the word for God.

Pastor Bill:

[51:09] Which word for God because it's that all caps Lord when they're too nervous to actually write it down.

Pastor Newms:

[51:15] It's it's done. What we read as Jehovah.

Pastor Bill:

[51:24] The one who saves the self-existent.

Pastor Newms:

[51:31] Yeah the self-existent Eternal Jewish National name of God.

Pastor Bill:

[51:35] Because I the Lord have not changed in some instances say changed my mind.

Pastor Newms:

[51:43] And some of these say do not change have KJV says I change not nasby says do not change.

Pastor Bill:

[51:56] But see that can't be him saying he doesn't change ever or doesn't ever change his mind because he dead and then created the flood.

Pastor Newms:

[52:05] And II and potentially. Yep potentially it gets fuzzy it's it's what do we Define as change.

Pastor Bill:

[52:17] Obviously can't given this because it's not everything it's not meant to be everything.

Pastor Newms:

[52:25] And and. You know I was reminded again in the Bible study I'm doing with the family the the teacher said again you know one of those words like, now what we're studying prophecy so because of that there's a couple different. Ways of looking at it and Scholars I follow two main Scholars and this one says what I'm teaching is the right way and the other one says that it's not, um and but neither one is a Salvation aspect and so we're just going to look at this one because it's what fits in my mind and I'm teaching and so it sort of looks like this isn't, salvation aspect it's good conversation it's good understanding. And as big said with prophecy him showing the future. Could could mean a lot of different things.

Pastor Bill:

[53:32] So this is you've got a good point bags God showed Isaiah the future not just Isaiah though all of the books of the prophets God let them in on what the future was.

Pastor Newms:

[53:44] Isaiah Daniel John.

Pastor Bill:

[53:45] The Book of Revelations God let John in on what the future is going to look like but this isn't necessarily God. Opening some window and then looking through the window into actual events, could very well just be God going hey this is what I know let me paint a picture from my mind of what I know the future is going to look like, and either way you have to ask the question of why why would God do that, the simple answer is that we find in can't remember where it is if you want to look it up for me Newms where says don't don't think that the Lord is slow to return, but that God is tarrying so that as many people as possible can be safe. Well if that's God's modus operandi that he does things intending as many people as possible, then every time he showed someone the future it was because he was attempting to tilt the scales. To make that end as favorable as possible the end that he saw as favorable as possible so that as many people as possible could have salvation. Which which also would be the answer as to why did God plant that tree in the garden that that gave them the knowledge of Good and Evil.

Pastor Newms:

[55:26] So do you want to type this while I while I say it it's 2nd Peter 3:8, through 10 ish and it says dear friends don't overlook this one fact, with the Lord one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is like one day so this is that aspect and then the next verse is the Lord does not delay his promise as some understand delay but is patient with you not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance and then but the day of the Lord will come like a thief and on that day the heavens will pass away with a loud noise the elements will burn and be dissolved the Earth, and the works on it will be disclosed so or burnt up or you know depending on the translation.

Pastor Bill:

[56:18] This has been a very stimulating conversation and I love it and this is why we do the live thing do I would. To get back on topic for since we're literally at the end of the time when we normally end and give you these verses, that from me Old Testament that draw into question, this whole gender idea of God being having always been male which now you understand the confusing title because it's what fits,

and the reason I chose a white background for the art for this this podcast was because this 66 books that we have, is about equivalent to what's printed on that title bump, um just a white background with just a few words and it's a scripture reference that's about all we know about God this this all this about God that's in this 66 books collected into the scent ology. Is about just to drop in the bucket of what there is to know about God, so let's go through these these scriptures and I'll go ahead and make my notes available on the transcription as well so you guys can go through all of my notes it's not that much it's like 1500 words okay so. We're in a start with and type these in I am I'm going to.

Pastor Newms:

[57:50] Are you going to type them and you want me to type them.

Pastor Bill:

[57:52] Deuteronomy 32 18 in Deuteronomy 32 18 we see a feminine aspect of God displayed and I, there are lots of scriptures that paint one way or the other but I focus specifically on the ones where God is talking, or it says God delivered this specific message and then it was delivered specifically with the words that God used. Deuteronomy 32 18 you ignored the rock who gave you birth you forgot the God who gave birth to you, birth being a pretty strictly Genetically speaking female activity, second Samuel 7:14 I will be his father and he will be my son, when he does wrong I will discipline him with a rod of men and blows from Mortals so, some people believe that second Samuel 7:14 there are talking about, the Messiah to come but most theologians believe that second Samuel 714 or talking about King David that,

God is saying that he will be Kings David's father, and King David will be his son and most theologians believe this because then it says when he does wrong I will discipline him with the rod of men and Jesus is. Theologically known to have not done wrong as far as God is concerned we got Psalm 103 verse 13, as a father has compassion on his children so the Lord has compassion on those who fear Him,

here this is God speaking in a prophecy through David calling himself a father, Isaiah 66 verse 13, this is a feminine one as a mother Comforts her son so I will comfort you and you will be comforted in. Malachi 16 this is a masculine one, a son honors his father and his servant his master, but if I am a father where is my honor and if I am a master where is your fear of me says the Lord of armies to you priest who despise my name, yet you ask how have we despised your name Matthew and I try to stay away from ones in the New Testament but this one actually does apply, Matthew 23 verse 37 also recorded in Luke, 13:34 and the reason we're using it is because it's Jesus talking about, in the past in the time of the prophets he says Jerusalem Jerusalem who kills the prophets and Stones those who are sent to her how often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings but you were not willing. And then we've got three verses from the Old Testament that talk about this same concept about this motherly hen, Ruth 2:12, may the Lord reward you for what you have done and may you receive a full reward from the Lord God of Israel under whose wings you have come for Refuge now that's not specifically God talking that's roof talking but it's that same concept that Jesus brought up, so I thought it was a neat thing to throw in there we got some 17:8 this is David talking, I'm describing God in this feminine way protect me as the pupil of your eye hide me in the shadow of your wings and I went to the commentaries on this one to make sure that, David was actually talking about the same thing about the mother hen and it is believed that that's what David was talking about they're referring to God in a motherly. Psalm 91 4, this is an interesting one he will cover you with his feathers you will take refuge under his wings his faithfulness will be a protective shield and I went back to the the commentaries again, and they all agree that this verse is talking about a feminine aspect of God, and the only place you find these he's his and hymns are in the English translations in the Greek and Hebrew translations of this text those pronouns aren't there,

they added those pronouns to make the English sound more readable and then we've just. It's not for every verse that says he forgot but in this particular verse that's that's true, and then we have versus like I've clicked out of it. Tabbing thing Deuteronomy chapter 4, verses 15 through 16 where God says diligently watch yourselves because you did not see any form on the day the Lord spoke to you out of the fire at Horeb, so you don't act corruptly and make an idol for yourselves and the shape of any figure a male or female form, God saying when you saw me in the fire I wasn't male I wasn't female he goes on to say I wasn't any animal wasn't any form that you've seen before so don't make an idol of any of those ideas. And he doesn't say Graven image here because that's a completely different thing that's an actual physical Idol that you've made or carved this is this is an idea don't reshape God in your image just because you have a gender, doesn't mean God does just because you deal with animals doesn't mean God has a physical animal like what you deal with, and the one that, immediately Pops to my mind whenever this conversation comes up is numbers 23:19 and this one's pretty, in my opinion pretty conclusive it says God is not a man that he might lie or a son of man that he might change his mind. Does he speak in not act or promise and not fulfill and when we go back to the original language that this was written in, the word for man there is the word each, it is literally translated as a man as an individual or a male person, God is not a male that he might lie and then this or a son of man that is the word atom which is where we get the name atom which is translated as human being, God is not a male or even a human being he doesn't lie, and he doesn't in some places there they say need to ask for forgiveness instead of saying change his mind, he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness which kind of fits better with the original. Language of that phrase because we do know that God changes his mind we just talked about that God repented of having made Humanity so, yeah he pretty clearly changed his mind and then. When we look at sorry my phone is is trying to distract me.

Pastor Newms:

[1:06:02] Yeah your phone just yeah yep there.

Pastor Bill:

[1:06:04] Um when we look at Hosea chapter 11 verse 9 11 verse 9, I God says I will not vent the full Fury of my anger I will not turn back to destroy me for I am for I am God and not man, the Holy One among you I will not come in Rage and once again he uses the word each for I am God, and not a male the Holy One among you as if to say. I understand that you guys are living in a patriarchal society and that you've been done wrong by your leadership over and over and over again I'm not like that I'm gone, and so we go back to Juneau John 4:24 God is Spirit, and if we believe that a spirit is not like us no physical body know any of those things, then when God in Genesis one said let us make mankind which the word there is not eesh not mail but actually awdawm Mankind in our image according to our likeness, um and then so God created Mankind in his own image he created him in the image of God he created them male and female, we're not talking about physical attributes we're talking about spiritual, and so we'll wrap up right quick here's 80 had another question, why would God need to repent that implies imperfection and who does he repent to that doesn't make sense the word repent doesn't mean to ask for forgiveness the word repent means to turn around and take a different course and so God decided he. Wasn't happy with having made Humanity so he turned to make a different course and was gonna kill everybody off, a bat brain on Twitch says I feel like there's another instance of God's changing his mind because, someone asked him to on behalf of someone else but I can't remember who or what so what you're talking about is when God came to Abraham and let him in on the plan of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah and all the people in Sodom and Gomorrah, and Abraham said, well I'm not going to give permission if you find 50 righteous people and God says okay for 50 righteous people I won't do it okay well what about 10 God now I'm for 10 rides to people I won't do it what about, no for one righteous person I won't do it and who does he find. Zero righteous people but he does find Abraham's cousin lot and on behalf of Abraham. Saves lot his wife and their two daughters and we all know how that story goes not great. Um that story goes downhill right, and how do we know that a lot wasn't where I just well because God still killed destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and all the other cities in the valley which was somewhere between 7 and 12, whole kingdoms with Kings and whole populations wasn't, two cities Sodom and Gomorrah are just the words just the main two cities of trade that were remembered from the valley, if you go back in the story Abraham does you no business with all of these Kings they all live in that Valley the whole valley was destroyed, um And lot offers his daughters to the people of the city to have their way with instead of the Angels because even lot isn't righteous and then the wife looks back ignoring the command of, the angel I mean obviously not right I mean we're kind of playing a losing game here though Abraham should have known better because there is no one righteous no not, one it's only through faith that your made righteous and lot didn't have faith, and his wife didn't have faith and then they get in the mountains and. Lots of daughters clearly didn't have faith I mean and and people point to this story and go well this is why the Bible is messed up this stuff happened in the Bible and that's messed up if you think that's right that's messed up, no that's not that's one of those cautionary tales of don't be like this that's not the Bible saying this is righteous, um that's that's a cautionary tale I don't the Bible has cautionary tales it's just done. If you have any more questions anybody, if you have questions you can go to our website ekk.house and find an email address that you can send those questions too and that goes straight to me I literally run all of the churches everything, um so you're not going to be dealing with another person your brother we're going to be talking straight to me if you send us a message or you call and leave a message I get a transcript of the voicemail messages, um that get left on our voicemail to my email so you're once again you'll just be believing me on email. 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Or is this standard in the others to I think this is standard in the others daylight sensor Standard Time and so you can pick pitch that anywhere that you get, podcasts and we are glad that you were able to join us and if this helped you have resources to study out this concept of who was the god of the, You Know spoken of in the Old Testament the god of the Hebrews the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob was that a male or female or none of the above which I, probably prefer to call they them if I'm referring to the god of the Old Testament obviously the god of now, we would refer to as mail because Jesus was born as a male and then ascended and sits at the right hand of what we now call the father, sits at the right hand of himself some of this is hard to describe because we're trying to describe spiritual things. With physical words and that's the whole issue in a nutshell once again the whole point was, to study so that you know how to appropriately talk, to those around you who you honestly don't want to offend you honestly want to be their friend you honestly want to be a part of their life and at the same time not betray your face. Right that's what Paul taught us were Christians when I was shamed to be Christians but we're not gonna. We're not going to attack people and hit them over the head with this this is for us and we're gonna love people and when they ask. If they ask then we're going to share and until then we're going to love I like. One of the videos I've seen recently I'm take talk where was talking about these Baptist preachers went on a missions trip to Mexico and when they got there the main guide told them not to share the. To work in the camps to help build the churches to help feed the people but not to share the. And they you know all these Baptist preachers freaked out well why are we even here then why did we waste our time come and he said you're here. Be the hands and feet of Christ not to challenge the worldview of people who you don't even know and don't know you. But that sink in we want to be the hands and feet of Christ not the out there trying to change the world view. People who don't even know who we are but I may be paraphrasing what he said but that was the message that came across in the video so. Alright so I've invited you to come join us live I've told you when the podcast comes, told you what our website is I've told you to get a hold of me and so now. We love you guys this really is a labor of love and I hope you have a great week.

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 52 of the Berean Manifesto: Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Tonight we are going to be talking about something that may, make some people feel rather passionate about one way or another. We are not here to tell you how to think, or what to believe, but your present the way we see things and what evidence we can provide that led us to believe certain things that way. If you then want to walk away from this conversation and go well the evidence they provided I don't agree with, that, that's good evidence and I'm going to continue believing the way I believe. That's great. At the end of the day we're both going to walk away agreeing that Jesus was born as a man died for you know... what's the right words... the propitiation of our sins, not our actions but sin nature, so that we can walk in a relationship with God so that we have the hope of looking forward to an eternity with Him. You're going to walk away sharing that belief, I know, I'm not doing a soft open I mean I'm doing a soft open I'm not doing a hard open. Um no, I'm talking to Biggs on Twitch, he says, "well how was your week?" as if he's like don't forget guys everything goes bad if you don't do a warm up first. Um yeah, so we will be looking at some scriptures tonight and we will be talking a bit about this Universal Bible Tome that Newms and I both have because it's got some great things that we need to talk about and so that's that's where we are. Tonight's episode is called, "Not Inerrant but Infallible" Peekaboo my little Groggy is joining us on Twitch welcome Groggy, glad you're here tonight.

Pastor Newms:

[2:23] Oooo, one of these days he's gonna get you for saying that.

Pastor Bill:

[2:24] My little Groggy, my little Groggy. Oooh he's several states away what's he going to do? Come to Texas and finally meet me face-to-face? Ooh, I'm scared. We'll go have some barbecue or something together, that'd be awesome. All right, so how was your week pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:

[2:59] We started a new war in Star Trek last night. That's really been it I've not done a ton this week, was pretty much mainly focused on work celebrated the fifth of November yesterday. So other than that yeah it was pretty good. I got a new mask I got a nice new mask I like my new.

Pastor Bill:

[3:26] Yeah you did, your Guy Fawkes mask.

Pastor Newms:

[3:29] Yes yes to celebrate the.

Pastor Bill:

[3:34] And for those of you listening to podcast not watching live he picked up an all black mask with golden highlights to make it look like Guy Fawkes, also reminiscent of the V movie - V for Vendetta. Yeah that he watches on November 5th every year because that's how his brain works. There are certain movies that you have to watch on certain days, Mean Girls on October third and V is for Vendetta on November 5th.

Biggs on Twitch says Groggy's going to drive his Corvette and have a road trip down to Texas, Biggs is volunteering Groggy for a road trip to Texas in his Corvette that's lovely I look forward to seeing. Alright, so?

Pastor Newms:

[4:26] How was your week Pastor Bill.

Pastor Bill:

[4:27] How was my week? Um, well my week was was pretty good I mean. See the problem with asking about the whole week is I don't really remember whole weeks I remember like I can tell you what I did today and probably what I did yesterday. But I can also tell you useless information like. I don't know, useless information about things in history that nobody cares about but stuff about me and my week I just I just draw a blank you know, yeah so I went and had barbecue yesterday for lunch at this alien establishment built around the Aurora alien just down the road and it was great barbecue. First time I've ever been able to say that because you know everything is subjective and then in my subjective opinion it's the first great barbecue that I've had so. So yeah, so that's that and I did some work around the house this week just fixed some stuff that need to be fixed and.

Pastor Newms:

[5:41] You messed with some computer rigging of things was that this week or was that last week graphic stuff.

Pastor Bill:

[5:47] I can't remember.

Pastor Newms:

[5:50] I don't remember.

Pastor Bill:

[5:51] I don't remember what I've done this week but I guess that's a good sign because I mean is it wasn't a bad week.

Pastor Newms:

[5:57] Right exactly yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[5:59] So nothing bad happened, so I'm thankful for that they can see you know that's a good place to start. But like you said we, we in Star Trek Fleet command we had a down week no story arc which was just kind of frustrating but we did have, after a few days of almost literally nothing in the game, they finally dropped a Crucible Of War event which is a three-day just grind of hostiles to which Newms looked at it and went this is just my daily what I do in the game what are you guys complaining about, and I'm like no no this is considered Star Trek grind and he's like this is just what I do daily I don't understand what's wrong with you guys. Yeah, but for me, I was I was tired of seeing the color red personally but I don't play games the same way that Newms does which has been a point of conversation over the past four days that I'm glad we can move on to different conversations now. Things about how we don't like the people we're allied with in a current War, but we're going to be good soldiers and fight the good fight anyway and and hope for the war to end soon so we can go back to not liking the people that were allied with. So that's that that was my week and so now I guess we'll do Getting to Know the Pastors and since this is an even-numbered episode season 3 episode 52 that means that Newms will pull a card from his box and we will answer.

Pastor Newms:

[7:39] Alright as not how we're going to be able to read the question all right.

Pastor Bill:

[7:46] Yeah you can't read the back of the car.

Pastor Newms:

"If you could have one book instantly memorized cover to cover, which book would you choose?"

Pastor Bill:

[8:03] Um that would have to be Grey's Anatomy.

Pastor Newms:

[8:10] The book, there's a book?

Pastor Bill:

[8:14] Yeah it's the book that's got the man sprawled out on the front of it and his arms are in different positions it's a medical textbook.

Pastor Newms:

[8:23] Oh okay, why?

Pastor Bill:

[8:27] Oh you you thought I meant like a novelized version of the show Grey's Anatomy I'm talking about the medical textbook Grey's Anatomy.

Pastor Newms:

[8:37] But why.

Pastor Bill:

[8:39] Because I want to know everything and that's a really good place to start.

Pastor Newms:

[8:54] This is one of those I can't answer there's too many valid answers that that I can't formulate a decent answer to it.

Pastor Bill:

[9:10] Now if you thought either one of us were going to say the Bible then welcome to the Berean Manifesto, It's good to have you here. We don't give flaky answers, we avoid the obvious flaky answers and go for deep meaning stuff obviously every Christian would want to have the Bible memorized.

Pastor Newms:

[9:32] But that's not a book it's a collection of books.

Pastor Bill:

[9:34] That's a collection of books but it's bound as a and sold as a single unit.

Pastor Newms:

[9:40] No but that was my thought was I can't pick a single book because it is in and of itself not a single book.

Pastor Bill:

[9:48] It's an anthology but it is it's a work of it's an anthology work you know.

Pastor Newms:

[9:57] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[9:59] Bound as a single book anyway.

Pastor Newms:

[10:04] But then I was so many other books on my on my you know this just in I don't know man.

Pastor Bill:

[10:11] Just the one you'd want to memorize I mean just like.

Pastor Newms:

[10:13] See I do.

Pastor Bill:

[10:14] And then you could be sitting back one day on a on a stranded Island on a on the beach and some strain on the middle of the ocean and be like all right I'm going to walk my brain through. Yeah ABatBrain on Twitch says coding for dummies.

Pastor Newms:

[10:36] The problem with memorizing a coding book would be the fact that one the language is changed constantly so memorizing one feature wouldn't the concept stay the same but that's not the hard part of coding the concepts are the easy part the hard part of coding is the syntax.

Pastor Bill:

[10:57] Biggs is throwing shade I'm surprised it took them this long to start throwing shade, we're 16 minutes and he's throwing shade at me for drinking apple juice and then sipping my dr. pepper.

Pastor Newms:

[11:10] You are nasty but we all know that already so I don't know why anyone.

Pastor Bill:

[11:14] It's not like I'm pouring both of them in my mouth at the same time.

Pastor Newms:

[11:17] You're nasty, you're always nasty, it's fine we love you for it. But you nasty.

Pastor Bill:

[11:27] See now Zaydees got to go straight for the cheat they didn't which says all Edgar Allan Poe's work and the original Beowulf I don't know that you can find that all printed in one book.

Pastor Newms:

[11:37] Olive olive.

Pastor Bill:

[11:39] To memorize.

Pastor Newms:

[11:40] All of Poe actually we own all in one book if you're classifying an anthology as one book.

Pastor Bill:

[11:49] Because you said and Beowulf.

Pastor Newms:

[11:50] Beowulf yeah I know that's where that's where your. Oh dummy must be blanked out it's coming across on this platform it might not on Twitch because.

Pastor Bill:

[12:10] So true.

Pastor Newms:

[12:12] You I think Biggs you actually have your filter set on. Cuz it's coming across twitch correctly so I think it's because you have your profanity filter on and I guess dummy is one of the no no words on. On Twitch yet comes across perfectly fine so yeah that's that's that's on your side Biggs I'll have to show you how to turn that off at some point.

Pastor Bill:

[12:46] HPuffPhoenix says all of Grimm's Fairy Tales. Well if you can't answer do we need to pull another card because nobody got to know you well.

Pastor Newms:

[13:07] "Through the use of a time machine you are traveling back to the year 1850."

Pastor Bill:

[13:12] No, I'm not - that ain't happening.

Pastor Newms:

[13:15] You may take with you one and only one product or invention from the modern error what would you take with you to impress and all our forebears? None of it because they would burn you at the stake.

Pastor Bill:

[13:27] The Time Machine they would be impressed and then I would come home I aint staying in and 1850.

Pastor Newms:

[13:34] But even that they would burn you at the stake they would destroy you they would call you now no no man. I'll go forward, hopefully it's better that direction I need some robotic I need some robotic limbs I need a brain to computer interface.

Pastor Bill:

[13:54] It just gets worse than both directions from here trust me I can guarantee it he just gets worse in both directions. I trust Phoenix says no she's just knowing that to a bat brain is quoting Monty Python she's a witch will she float.

Pastor Newms:

[14:25] Big big guns of the only thing I.

Pastor Bill:

[14:29] Take big gun you just wipe them out and be like that fixes the problem.

Pastor Newms:

[14:33] Like it's really like dot dot dot dot dot dot dot as they're getting you know and just deal with it move on because it's not.

Pastor Bill:

[14:43] You wipe yourself out no no these are smart bullets they won't hit anything that's close to my own DNA so I'm not wiping out any of my ancestors.

Pastor Newms:

[14:53] Well you couldn't the rule the true laws of time wouldn't allow that sorry.

Pastor Bill:

[14:58] Well they would. Yes it's like a stream you can throw a rock in the Stream and divert the stream but it's just going to reconnect and and and do the same eventuality anyway.

Pastor Newms:

[15:14] Because as soon as soon as you killed someone who, destroyed you you've now destroyed the ability to go back and kill any of them it doesn't I don't believe in the fragmentation of time I believe in the straight one, line anyhoo that is not what we're talking about tonight we are.

Pastor Bill:

[15:37] I believe in I believe in similar eventual outcomes. In regards to changing time you believe in self-fulfilling, if you go back in time and change something it was because you already did that before, yeah that's what you believe and that's the perfect leave at that's just as valid as believing that time is ruled by three magical Wizards that sit outside of time and are part reptilian and. Because you're talking time travel that's 100%.

Pastor Newms:

[16:17] Theoretical today.

Pastor Bill:

[16:24] You'd think if time travel was possible we'd know by now well no you wouldn't not if you can't time travel back further than the machine you created then you wouldn't know it or anyway.

Pastor Newms:

[16:39] There's a lot of time paradoxes that can happen in time paradoxes are no fun.

Pastor Bill:

[16:44] See this is how you get to know the pastor's you're learn more about us right now than you probably bargained for what we believe about time travel and get it. Okay oh he's puffing smoke a wrote a book speaking of streams did you know that if a beaver's dam gets messed up they don't have the mental capacity to process it was destroyed and be upset, they simply just start over. I mean I think it's less of that and more of the they're not sure how to pump all the water back out after they patch the hole it's just flooded there's no choice.

Pastor Newms:

[17:36] You got to start over.

Pastor Bill:

[17:37] They don't have hydraulic pumps or anything.

Pastor Newms:

[17:40] Got to start over all right.

Pastor Bill:

[17:57] You and I were both raised I'm gonna go out on a limb and say. To believe that the Bible from cover to cover is the inerrant word of God spoken about in John 1:1. The word was with God the Word was God.

Pastor Newms:

[18:22] No I was not taught that part I was taught that that word, became flesh so that that word was the motive that's what I was taught but I was taught that the word of God is inspired inherent and infallible yes.

Pastor Bill:

[18:42] Inspired inerrant and infallible. And I was raised believing that it was inerrant, I can't remember too much emphasis being put on the inspired part I was kind of downplayed I think and the infallible definitely, and then I was taught to believe that, when it's Edward in John 1:1 it was specifically talking about this the 66 books and that these 66 books, became a living flesh being who was the person Jesus. And that's what I taught I was taught that this was. Everything Jesus was made up of its whole mental capacity as whole everything was this and a lot of Evangelical churches, that I know of have taught that are still teaching that, that this is tantamount to equal with Jesus and equal with God and therefore is Holy in and of itself. You can't write in it you can't question it you can't study it you can't comparatively, analyze it you have to be respectful of it it's Untouchable it's basically all the definitions you give to an idol. That's what that is and.

Pastor Newms:

[20:28] Yeah see and I wasn't taught anywhere close to that in most I can't say like when I was like our little little kid because some of those churches were a little fun but. Even you know schools and stuff that I went to didn't go that far. Not saying I agree with everything they did teach about the Bible but. I didn't go that far that far. That actually cuz we haven't had that part of the conversation before and that explains some other feelings that you have. And because if I was taught that I would definitely have some more issues around it in how you speak sometimes but continue.

Pastor Bill:

[21:23] See your learning stuff two decades in and you're still learning stuff about.

Pastor Newms:

[21:28] Because you don't love me enough to tell me these things ahead of time.

Pastor Bill:

[21:30] Little just come out like they they wait until the right time then they pop out and I'm like bleep yeah here you go below information right, so where you stand today in all of your study and all of your prayer and all of your belief and all of your everything do you still stand 100% on this inspired inerrant and infallible. Position. Let me just stop you right there if your beliefs weren't messy then you wouldn't be giving this topic the respect it deserves.

Pastor Newms:

[22:18] Well yeah so. I believe that scripture is inspired the problem is the definition of scripture, the problem is the definition of all and the problem is and then that then takes the next steps and continues through the inerrancy and the infallibility now I believe. That God in the Holy Spirit. Kept the ideals and the overarching importance, of the Bible too its form and protected against. Complete and total an ally Annihilation I don't necessarily agree that, there is a specific version a specific and that's where you start getting into the issues of inherent C and infallibility is because, translations, translate certain aspects completely different and can mean completely different things and how they translate it and that is where you start to get into the messy part of this conversation in my opinion.

Pastor Bill:

[23:45] Okay so let me let me boil that down to a much simpler statement okay you believe that all scripture is god-breathed and therefore inerrant. Scripture we haven't defined what scripture is in that statement. But that you believe what second Timothy 3:16 Says all scripture is god-breathed and then we take that step to say well it is therefore then inerrant you also believe that. The Bible is this collection of 66 books is infallible. It's not necessarily inherent from cover to cover but infallible.

Pastor Newms:

[24:33] Yes I do not believe the Bible goes against God in any way and I do not believe I don't believe there's errors written.

Pastor Bill:

[24:45] No well you you've left room for.

Pastor Newms:

[24:50] Well now you're cutting out and I can't hear you so.

Pastor Bill:

[24:52] Sorry you've left room for historical inaccuracies. To contradict yourself but in infallibility you've said that even if those details are reported different that the message it teaches has been. Simply put the inerrancy of the Bible means that someone believes that and then we're not talking about the inerrancy of the word scripture, because we'll talk about the definition of the word scripture here a little bit we're talking about specifically the 66 books. The Theology of the inerrancy of the Bible those 66 books, it means that you believe that every sentence within its text is reliably historically and literally the accurate and true words of God. That means you hang your hat on every statement as being 100% this happened, this is true the details are perfectly accurate and in no way biased or influence by culture, that's what the Theology of inerrancy of the Bible teaches and a lot of people when they say I believe in the inerrancy of the Bible they don't realize. What they're claiming about the Theology of, the inerrancy of the Bible right and so whenever we have this conversation with people about will do you believe in the inerrancy of the Bible a most people don't understand what that theology actually teaches, and if they would take time to actually go through line by line what that theology teaches it's likely they would partially agree with that but not fully agree with that, you're saying you can't hear me right now which is fine.

Pastor Newms:

[27:07] You're breaking up real bad.

Pastor Bill:

[27:08] They would say they partially agree with the Theology of inerrancy but not fully agree when they go through line by line what that theology teaches, the infallibility of the Bible as a theology, teaches that the text within the Bible is reliably capable, of communicating the intended message that God and the author that God inspired wanted communicated. So God inspired the author to write the author wrote down and the actual message the intended information, was communicated and that even if there are contradictions and slight details I'm breaking up again. Why are we having such a hard time, even though it may be slight problems in slight details as in Matthew saying one thing happened and Mark saying it happened differently because two people have two different perspectives, that's okay because two people can tell the same story and the story still be true even though two people look at it differently. That's infallibility not inerrancy okay so let's talk about what the definition of scripture, actually is okay the Greek word means holy writ. Or it can be used for anything that's written it's graph a graph graph a,

scripture make sure I'm using the right word yeah graphe, it's graphe a any document that's written down by hand is can you can use the word graphic for, it's the word scripture and so when they use the word scripture in the Bible though as as writers of, documents that they intend to,

inspire people to live a certain way or correct certain things about Doctrine so basically we're talking about every book of the New Testament,

when they're intending to teach and they use the word scripture they don't mean any written document they literally mean a holy writing okay,

so when we go and we look at, what the defining Mark is for understanding what a scripture is and when they were. Struggling for hundreds of years starting in I want to say. What year was that by 367 ad they had it, pretty well figured out but the struggle started in I want to say it was 150 ad. They were struggling with what New Testament books to endorse as quote-unquote scripture and they didn't have they hadn't land it on, the books that we have right now there were several books that get left out of the original, thing that people were advising people to read as a new testament and then there's this, modern overwhelming teaching, that it was just understood that everything we believed to be the Old Testament was always, considered scripture was always used for teaching was always used for correcting was always scripture right that the Old Testament was always scripture except, when you go back and you look at the things that, Paul quoted the things that Peter quoted the things that Jesus himself quotes, um now I know for sure Jesus but I'm stretching for Paul and Peter you're not going to find them quoting. From Old Testament books that aren't part of the law collection and the prophets collection, which means Joshua Judges Ruth first and second Samuel first and second Kings first and second chronicles Ezra Nehemiah Esther job Psalms Proverbs Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon, none of these books when Jesus walked the Earth were actually considered scripture, and even Jesus himself I know for sure because I went and did the researcher there today he never quotes from any of those books. He references Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Isaiah Jeremiah Lamentations Ezekiel Daniel Hosea Joel Amos Obadiah Jonah Micah Nahum habakkuk Zephaniah haggai Zechariah Malachi and Psalms which are the books of the law, and all of the minor and major prophets as well as Psalms these are the only books that Jesus ever referenced. All the gospels where we have everything that he ever said. As recorded I mean obviously he said of the things you know cause you can't say pass me the salt, without saying pass me the salt and obviously they didn't write down when he was out of meal and was like they're gonna get some of that salt because you know surely he did, ask for things surely he used regular words surely they had regular conversations sure they at some point he was like man, I gotta go take a dump so I'll be back in a few. I mean obviously you didn't use those words but the equivalent of hey man I got to go take care of this I'll be back and they didn't write that down in the Bible.

Only references these specific books and it's the same books that you find, being referenced by the rest of the New Testament and you got all these books that weren't referenced, because they weren't really considered scripture they were considered poetry they were considered history,

they were considered other things they weren't considered to be scripture but then today we quote from things like, Joshua and judges and Esther and job and Proverbs and we go well the scripture says we find no evidence anywhere in the Bible. That leads us to believe any of those books were considered scripture until-- a hundred and fifty a d-- We don't even have a historical reference to those being scripture until a hundred and fifty a d-- And at some point someone decided Well all this Jewish collection is all scripture now when it wasn't before now I'm not opposed, to having Revelations and gain New Revelations and God doing a new thing that's how Revelations work you know I'm not one of those people that and we talked about this a couple weeks ago, when someone says well they didn't start teaching that until so and so as their main point that's a red flag, that's that shouldn't be your main point right because God can can make New Revelations on the same scripture so I'm not opposed to that but when we are defining what is scripture. We can't point to a collection of books that didn't even start to be collected as that collection. Until over a hundred years after the death of Christ. We can't just blanket say all of this description. That's not how that works even Paul himself in some of his writings he'll say. Now this is what I believe I don't want you to take it as a command from the Lord this is my opinion blah. Now obviously that's not scripture that's Paul even categorically saying this is not scripture this is my personal opinion right. And so. We have to understand that in second Timothy 3:16 when it says all scripture is dot-dot-dot gonna go god-breathed. Paul is not talking about a collection of 66 books that some is going to start putting together. 90 - 60 years after he writes that that's not what he's referencing. We know that's always referencing because we know Paul's not a prophet, never claimed to be a prophet never met any prophecies and that would most definitely be a prophecy, to say you know we're gonna put together a thing and we're gonna call it the Bible and it's gonna be scripture and then you've got Jude. Referencing a do what's called a deuterocanonical, deuterocanonical deuterocanonical Book of Enoch okay so there's apocryphal books meaning their books that were believed to have been written after Malachi, but before Matthew, better than included in most Jewish studies modern Jewish studies and in most Catholic Bibles those are the apocryphal books then you got to deuterocanonical canonical canonical books. That are books that Christians around the world have adopted as Canon. But the Catholic church does not endorse and the Jewish belief is that yeah it would be good for you to read it but it's not part of your required studies, like The Book of Enoch okay scripture can exist in those books. And there was something I wanted to talk about where did you go why is that zooming out.

Pastor Newms:

[38:28] Hey Pastor Bill you have a hole in your shirt.

Pastor Bill:

[38:34] Stop that. I know, the cat did it. Makes me angry.

Pastor Newms:

[38:43] I was like at the at the moment it's right next to the p in your name it's just right there just.

Pastor Bill:

[38:51] Why is my computer trying to make me zoom in or zoom out right now that doesn't make any sense oh maybe because my arm is on the keyboard I'm reaching over my keyboard. Okay so by 353. What year was that 364 all.

Pastor Newms:

[39:18] I'm not good with the years.

Pastor Bill:

[39:23] 367 by 367 ad there were was a collection of books that they believed were authentic, New Testament scripture, okay so we're talking 267 years after the time of Christ a bunch of churches and their leadership finally decided that of the Ada, eight zero gospel accounts that had been found, and the numerous letters claimed to have been written by Paul or Peter or James or Jude or, judah's Bartholomew I mean the list goes on and on and on all these letters that they had that didn't make it. They came up with a system for deciding what should be a new testament book what shouldn't be New Testament book and they were actually using these words by them Old Testament and New Testament,

number one was Apostolic did it come from an apostle did one of the Apostles of Christ pin this work, that was number one if it if they did then it automatically made the first cut they automatically went okay this goes in the in the good pile, surprisingly enough only Matthew Mark Luke and John, of 80 gospels those are the only four that met the first run even though mark, I didn't actually meet Jesus, it's believed that Mark was only writing down Peters words because Peter was old and was having vision problems and couldn't couldn't right you know he's got that old arthritic thing going on and so Mark was writing down Peters words, number two authentic does it have the ring of Truth did it sound when read out loud. To those people like it was something that was worthy of being included in a holy document, or did it sound like it was written by Joe Schmo down the road who is just a normal guy was it eloquent or was it simpleton. Number three ancient has it been used from the earliest of times do the ideas taught in this writing. Line up with and builds upon the ideas that the church in general, has taught over the years for instance. By this time he had agree all agreed on what the Trinity was on the belief of the trinity, and if any phrase in any of these books these writings that were being considered made it sound like the author, did wasn't endorsing the trinity then it got kicked out accepted. Were most of the known churches using this writing. And at this time only 23 of the now 27 books that we have were actually in wide use, 23 of them and then the others were added because they met a certain amount of these other criteria. Number 5 accurate, does it conform to the theological teachings of the church. In the year 360 ad. If it didn't agree with the teachings of the church and 360 ad for whatever reason it was disqualified. And that's how they came to agree loosely. What the 27 books of the New Testament would be now we know that Paul wrote a lot of letters and we know that you know they're out there, and there's a lot of arguments online that point to a lot of scriptures. And a lot of non scriptures in my opinion that say things like the words that were delivering to you are scripture. Except when you go back and read them it says things like the words that we did deliver to you in person. Our God breathed inspired of God and now we're writing you a follow-up letter,

because that it ended up you need encouragement you'd fallen off the trail you've blah blah blah so you don't actually have the original teachings, that Paul and Peter and all these guys were going around teaching because they weren't writing those down they were delivering them orally. We only have their follow-up letters highlighting the areas where their people were struggling with or needed encouragement in only the hard things we don't have any of the easy stuff, that they actually taught face-to-face which is very frustrating to me all right. Um because it would be nice to have all that other stuff. Are you with me so far Pastor Newms everything you want to add or contract or whatever.

Pastor Newms:

[45:29] Well so we are 51 minutes and a now I'll say it. English is a terrible language.

Pastor Bill:

[45:40] English is so hard so hard.

Pastor Newms:

[45:43] And so there's a lot that. You know people teach in Herrin see teacher people teach infallibility and they don't agree on what those words even mean, I was reading one article today that taught the up.

Pastor Bill:

[46:02] Ah Zaidee.

Pastor Newms:

[46:06] Of the opposite of what we're talking about right now which is what most people believe inherently and infallible seemed means they were teaching the exact opposite that. The infallibility means it's never ever ever inaccurate and its inherent meaning it it can't be proven wrong and it was like wait that.

Pastor Bill:

[46:32] That's backwards of what the rest of the world believes those words mean come on.

Pastor Newms:

[46:37] It's so it I mean it's a problem.

Pastor Bill:

[46:40] Yeah that's the problem.

Pastor Newms:

[46:41] And you know I think. Over time we have stretched, what our beliefs are from individuals and groups of individuals who had goals in mind, and sadly I think that has tainted. Some of the translations and some of the beliefs that the modern church has because of that. You know it's one of them things.

Pastor Bill:

[47:30] It's one of them things it really is okay so if you don't have anything else you want to talk about about the definition of scripture the word scripture or what is you know.

Pastor Newms:

[47:43] So you know for me I believe. The 66 books that we have are all important I think they are all. They all at some point meet the definition of scripture that's given in. Timothy but I don't necessarily believe every aspect in them. Does because of situations like where Paul says this is my opinion where Paul says bring me my coat you know there's nothing we can get doctrinally, that brick that builds up the church or that is used for Doctrine and bring me my coat, the rest of the writings around that are really good and I believe that. You know God did Keep. You know preserved the knowledge that we need in those books. But. You know there is that aspect of you can't trust a single translation several of the translations are wrong in my opinion in different places, because of how they translate the Greek or the Hebrew or. Things like that whereas some are really good. Which is why I study with it at least 3 anytime I study because. Different people translated each time.

But that's that's my thing and then you have the Council of nicaea later the other councils that came after the times you're talking about.

Pastor Bill:

[49:50] For total councils.

Pastor Newms:

[49:54] And well there were four that talked about scripture correct.

Pastor Bill:

[49:59] Right for that dealt with what are we where are we calling cannon not exclusively dealt with what are we calling Cannon but dealt with what are we calling.

Pastor Newms:

[50:08] But there were there were other councils that, determined things that determined what they would like like what you were mentioning of hey it has to be one of the beliefs that the church holds those other. Councils are where those were set. And so it is interesting to look at some of those historically and how that shaped modern Christianity. And of course my favorite story ever comes from one of them so but anyway.

We're not going to we're not going to tell it today we're not going to tell us today on purpose so that way people are like which news is favorite story and then they'll have to hear it at some point.

Pastor Bill:

[51:01] The man.

Pastor Newms:

[51:04] Because we'll get to it we're getting to the season where it's going to be used well we can't get through November and December without it coming up but stay with us you'll get it. What else did you want to say Pastor Bill while you're looking through your nose.

Pastor Bill:

[51:22] So I actually was looking at my notes I was reading the letter of. The thinness and effing Asia's the first person in 83 67 this was his Easter letter, to Believers that was revealed at the Pascal Festival where we get the first complete list of the 66 books that, we hold to be Cannon because I like. I like his his sixth paragraph in this letter he's talking about you know here's here's the Old Testament books here's the New Testament books, and then he sums up what I think is a very very very important point, that the church forgot over the years that allowed this, to leave the status of what it is and become what I growing up was taught that it was okay, and and I read what he said here he says after giving the list he does one paragraph for Old Testament one paragraph for New Testament he says, these are Fountains of Salvation that they who thirst may be satisfied with the living words they contain in these alone is proclaimed the doctrine of godliness, let no man add to these,

neither let him take out from these for concerning these Lord put to shame the Sadducees and said he do are not knowing the scriptures and he reprove the Jews saying, search the scriptures for these are they that testify of me so let me. Kind of modernize that some he said these 66 books are what you need to know. To understand your salvation, and all the details for salvation that you need to know are within these books and the other books that, people have gone to they don't have the doctrines in them that you need for salvation they're not wrong, they're not invalid. But this is your basis of understanding salvation the doctrine of understanding salvation exists Within These pages. That was his point study these these 66 books to understand salvation. In nowhere in there did he say. This alone is the exhaustive word of God and nowhere in there did he say that every jot and Tittle of these 66 books, is the inspired word of God he said the doctrine of salvation that you need. Is Within These pages and that's true this is probably, the most important collection of writings ever. But when I go to the Old Testament and I see instructions to the Israelites about the right way and the wrong way to sell your daughter into slavery, and I see instructions to the priest about how to decide if a woman has been unfaithful to her husband. And cause a miscarriage and shrivel up their womb. These are not details that the book is intended for. These are details of what God dealt with those people according to their culture at that time that is part of an overall story to understand why. Why Jesus why Jesus says a man human why Jesus sacrifice what does that mean to me. I don't look at the Old Testament and go, these are instructions on how I'm supposed to live my life I need to go get some dust and mix it in with some water and mix it in with this plant that by the way would probably just make a gross kind of tea and not cause any kind of miscarriage. And it's probably just. A way to tell the man to grow up and love his wife so that she's not feeling like she needs to go out and look for justification in the arms of another man.

Because I can almost guarantee you one hundred percent of the time when that happened that, the woman was found innocent because even the tone of the text is satirical in nature like, getting off on a tangent I've seen so many videos using that as God endorses abortion right here in this shit I'm like that's not. Text means at all breathe okay yeah I like bit so often, you know in my later teenage years and grown up you'd hear like Bible stands for basic instructions before leaving Earth, and it's interesting that that yeah but it's so interesting in that and that what is it called anagram, anyway it's so interesting that that lines up so well when it literally has nothing to do with why it's called Bible but it's so accurate,

yeah the Bible is the basic instruction and I do mean basic as in, you know I'm over it that's so Elementary I mean Ian basic as in you build a foundation for a building, and you build on top of that Foundation that's the Bible this is the foundation of our Christian beliefs and then we build on top of it, and too often we've got so many Christians standing outside of the building worshipping the foundation. Instead of building on top of the foundation. But that's my personal experience okay so this Universal Bible don't let the name, throw you because it first it through me until I actually looked at what was inside of it before I bought it as far as universal what they mean is it's got what every. Christian sect will say sect considers to be Canaan scripture so what the Samaritan believers, hold as Canon Bible what the Hebrew Believers hold his Cannon Bible what the Orthodox Believers holders can in Bible what the Catholics hold his Cannon Bible but the Syriac Believers holds Canada Bible but the Ethiopian, Believers hold as Cannon Bible and then what the pro majority of, North American Believers are the Protestants what the Parsons hold as the Canon Bible okay. And so you've got all the the books that you would expect to have you know all the 39 Old Testament books you've got all the 27 New Testament books, then you've got other things that you wouldn't expect that like I said in the words of this this guy, Athanasius they're good they're not the basis of the doctrine of salvation, but they're good for enriching your Christian faith and your walk you've got the epistle to the Ladeoetians written by Paul, you've got a book called the acts of Paul and Thecla you've got a third Corinthians letter, you know First Corinthians second with is now a third Corinthians letter that Paul had written. And then you've got the apart for apocryphal and deuterocanonical books first as draws second as dress 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th Maccabees the Epistle of Jeremiah the prayer of Azariah the book of Baruch, the prayer of Manasseh Bell and the Dragon, interesting story wisdom of sirach wisdom of Solomon not to be confused with the Song of Solomon because it's not, the parts of Esther that were removed they're here, um Tobit Judith Susanna Enoch,

all three books merged into one text jubilees first Clement the Ascension of Isaiah Shepherd of hermas the Didact I don't know he said that detach, The Apocalypse of Baruch did counting of Josephus of the 6th Jewish War, and the fourth Bucca book of Barack. These are all the books that are considered Canon by any believers, and then you've also got Psalms chapter 151 which isn't in, the partisan Canon Bible which is interesting. And yeah so if you wanted to get a look into all that all the extra books and see you know. What is considered Canon by other believers who have gone yeah this is this is great stuff to have, um to know to enrich your faith to grow shoot us a message and I can send you the link to where you can go get this it won't be one of those I'll get a kickback when you buy it because, we're not going to do that that's that's pointless, if you want this resource then I'm more than happy to send you the link and I'm not going to get anything out of it but it's really great and, it's a little difficult to navigate because of just just the way they've laid out the chapters and there's no you know names at the top of the pages too, just open randomly and see where you are but there is a, table of contents so you can find the beginning of a book and then work your way forward to where you want to be it does have the the first numbers and all that so but yeah there's so much more, that Christians have identified as Canon that exists, outside of the 66 books that more or less the Catholic Church, decided for the Protestants that we would hold as Cannon so. Is scripture inerrant yes. Is every jot and Tittle of the Bible scripture not in my opinion based off of my research. Is the Bible infallible yes I believe all 66 books do the job of being available to teach the message intended. Now of course those words can be twisted and corrupted and taught wrong and on and on and on and on. They are available to teach the message intended and capable of and so. When you're moving forward in your Christian walk and you're trying to decide well what do I believe where do I go what do I do this is that Foundation if you start to believe something, that then this directly contradicts. Then we need to understand, what is that contradiction and why does it exist,

is that contradiction because you don't fully understand what is they believe or is that contradiction that you don't fully understand the content matter here, is it because there's a cultural thing being taught in a certain part of script of, there goes it's hard to get around these words of just blanket calling it scripture because of the way I was raised you know is there a context thing where it's a cultural you know cautionary Tale,

which happens a lot so yes we face those issues we've got a question from someone on Twitch, the call themselves haitham 9 kin way I hope I said that right it's hard with you switch to him sometime is it wrong that I love Jesus even though, I'm assuming that was supposed to be the word gay they put geh and so. I'm gonna say it's not wrong to love Jesus no matter who you are or, how you are or what you're into and we don't normally use those kind of words in this context what you've gone you know forward with and saying there, but no it's not wrong to love Jesus Just As You Are, and if something in your life needs to be different that's not my call, that's not Pastor newms is call that's not anyone's call except for between you and God, if you love Jesus and you pursue Jesus and you pursue relationship with God and you study the Bible,

and that is then up to you, if you feel like something in your life is wrong and if you feel like that needs to change that's between you and God.

Can I love cows even though I'm not a Christian someone else asks on Twitch I think you're confusing Christianity with Hinduism, and you can love cows even if you're not a Hindu well the twitch chat is really popping right now it's nice.

Pastor Newms:

[1:07:19] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[1:07:21] All right so we're 13 minutes over our normal time so we will head and wrap this up, I want everyone out there to understand that we want everyone to be able to be a part of what we're doing, and they have a safe space here no matter who you are, what you believe or what your orientation is Haytham 9 Kenway I would love to have a conversation with you off of the live about having a relationship with Jesus and,

your question was there can I ask Jesus for forgiveness I'm really really gay and I think there's a lot of stigma, that you're dealing with in that question alone and so there's a lot to unpack there that I'd like to unpack off the air. What do you asking forgiveness for cuz if it's for being yourself then you know, that's a stigma that you're going to need to deal with that has nothing to do with your relationship with Jesus,

because you come to Jesus as you are but we're going to wrap this up for tonight, this podcast comes out on Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time anywhere that you can get podcasts every Sunday night at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard time we're here live and you can join us live, and be a part of the conversation and ask questions and we always have a theme that we're going with on the Sunday nights and so we'd love to have people, come in and join the conversation and so for tonight we're going to sign off and we love you guys I hope you have a great week.

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe.

Pastor Bill:

And, "Until next time..."

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Pastor Bill:

[0:06] To season 3 episode 51 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Tonight we're on a special night in the special time because we wanted to get in our live recording of our episode about Halloween before Halloween and then I'll rush it into early release with all the podcast services so that on Sunday it will already be out there and available to listen to. And if you're thinking this is going to be anti-Halloween then you're obviously new to the Berean Manifesto, and if you think this is going to be Pro-Halloween then welcome home your my kind of people. So here we go let's warm up a little bit because last time we try to go in cold and it didn't work well.

Pastor Newms:

[1:04] It worked well for about 20 minutes.

Pastor Bill:

[1:05] No, it wasn't even 20 minutes.

Pastor Newms:

[1:08] Yeah cause you re-listen to it I refuse to even re-listen to it.

Pastor Bill:

[1:11] It was like 10 minutes. For 10 minutes it was fine and then then it was only 35 minutes of actual content. For 10 minutes it was fine, and the rest of it was just awful. So how's your week been?

Pastor Newms:

[1:41] For treating the girls have been sick out wrecker tree yes we have been playing trick or treat.

Pastor Bill:

[1:53] Probably my favorite event all year but all the sharing and all the little candies and it's just it's a lot of.

Pastor Newms:

[2:03] I will point out something hilarious though that I just realized you know we have the service that takes the Twitch stuff when we're live here and puts it over into the restream bot that puts it into the Discord and Vander who's a friend of ours. Well friend of mine you've met him, friends technically but friend of mine from Don't Worry About It, which is a gaming community - and just don't worry about it don't worry about when he first jumped in, he posted this cool squid. Just yet to squid and in Discord it just says squid one squid two squid three squid four. When though it's this tentacley squid. It just has squid one squid two squid... because it's a well because it's a custom disc it's custom Twitch emoji as opposed to a world-renowned Emoji I just was clicking through my discords to see if I had said we were live anywhere the else that we should have that I didn't. And realized that it said squid and that Vander said squid squid. So here's my issue, I don't know whether Zaydiee's just that tired or a liar because I told her and Alexa announced it to the whole house

Pastor Bill:

Maybe she is just playing along.

Pastor Newms:

So I'm not sure no no no Alexa, don't announce anything.

Pastor Bill:

[4:18] She's playing your words back to you in that's what you want to announce yeah announce that Alexa go ahead.

Pastor Newms:

[4:30] It turns on for recording announces. I can't say the command because obviously she's listening. Obviously she's listening so I'm not going to say it but, turns on and turns off my light and does a little announcement that's funny one says Newms' mic is hot and the other one says there are no more hot mics here, so.

Pastor Bill:

[5:10] Sounds like your Alexa has a crush on your microphone.

Pastor Newms:

[5:13] She might.

Pastor Bill:

[5:16] Newms' Mike is hot.

Pastor Newms:

[5:18] Newms' mic is hot so

Pastor Bill:

How was your week Pastor Newms?

Pastor Newms:

It was pretty good overall the week was pretty good lots of lots of Star Trek as you mentioned I honestly need to do a lot more because I am, of oh Zaydiee thought we would just be recording a podcast she did not know we were fully going to go live, so I'm sorry I insulted her intelligence if she felt it that way or. I just figured she was sleepy because she's hurting today real bad with her back.

Pastor Bill:

[5:59] I've had a bad day today pain-wise as well we went to the library yesterday for a Dia de los Muertos cultural celebration at the public library. Little late for that seeing as Dia de los Muertos was October 1st but that's fine, you can celebrate a culture at any time and you know where within a month that's cool but it.

Pastor Newms:

[6:29] There's definitely a lot of beliefs on a lot of things as I looked into.

Pastor Bill:

[6:36] Of these little sugar skulls and got to you know paying them and learned how to make little flowers out of the tissue paper you know and got face painted and we just hang out and learn about some of the ways that that culture celebrates this time of year,(Child interrupts) Hey stop. I am live, do me a favor and turn my AC on please. You literally had to walk past the big red light to get in here and then you came out announcing... turn on the AC.

Pastor Newms:

[7:22] Children are fun.

Pastor Bill:

[7:23] I need a real Studio.

Pastor Newms:

[7:26] Children are fun.

Pastor Bill:

[7:27] Are you just I need to install a door or something.

Pastor Newms:

[7:30] Well my front door is actually that whole area but luckily I'm in I'm not in the bedroom that has the only bathroom in my house so.

Pastor Bill:

[7:40] Well I did turn the other bathroom into a into a nursery took out all the plumbing and.

Pastor Newms:

[7:44] It was fully functional before that.

Pastor Bill:

[7:48] Had to take out all the plumbing and and redo the flooring and you know so yeah so that was.

Pastor Newms:

[7:57] So how was your week.

Pastor Bill:

[8:01] My week, well I mean there was the Dia de los Muertos celebration yesterday I thought that was good before that we did One Life gaming with pastors this week and.

Pastor Newms:

[8:15] I did and I was not in a good mood.

Pastor Bill:

[8:17] Things yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[8:18] Time so I'm sorry for that.

Pastor Bill:

[8:27] When we went into an instance that we were probably not really ready for, and then we got some help from some people who were way over ready for it, and so Newms couldn't play the role he needed to play it because the higher levels were pulling the aggro off of his,

character who's supposed to be pulling the aggro and then the person who is supposed to be our healer was pulling aggro and having to defend herself instead of being able to focus on healing everybody and so that didn't go well and the rest of us finished it but Newms did not finish it because he died during the last boss battle so we had to run the whole instance again, just fine, got some great rewards and got to play along you know together some more. (To an interrupting child) Why are you hanging out in here I'm live go away.

Pastor Newms:

[9:22] Oh the joys that will get edited out in post see that's where I get to join us live because if you join us live you get to see all the bloopers that he edits out in post like that.

Pastor Bill:

[9:33] Right bloopers that's what we'll call them.

Pastor Newms:

[9:36] Yeah bloopers I got some good bloopers that I've saved that you had it out.

Pastor Bill:

[9:40] Are we live?

Pastor Newms:

[9:43] Are we live? yes.

Pastor Bill:

[9:45] Yeah so have fun with that and then I got some more experience with, um playing with some video editing tools on my phone and trying to figure out some more of the video editing tools on my my Big Bertha computer, and the, puppetry tools and you know getting back into doing graphic design stuff because it's been awhile and then learning that the newest Creative Suite from Adobe is. I wasn't going to use the word different I was searching for a clean word I was going to settle on a step backwards as far as user-friendly as concerned like.

Pastor Newms:

[10:29] Well, well I don't know if I'll agree with you on that because here's the reason if you are a new user it might be more intuitive you're coming at it from someone who's been away for many years so there's been a couple of steps in between, so it might not necessarily be that it's less intuitive, it is for you as a returning person, which I have to deal with in games a lot but not necessarily software but we all know how the ribbon worked out for Microsoft that they won't let go of that everyone hates so I feel your pain on that because we don't need a ribbon in every single Microsoft application Microsoft but you know that's what they feel so. I feel you on that one.

Pastor Bill:

[11:23] All right so.

Pastor Newms:

[11:23] And we got into it about Microsoft today.

Pastor Bill:

[11:26] Did we and I.

Pastor Newms:

[11:27] Did yelling and you took it personally because.

Pastor Bill:

[11:28] I wasn't defending Microsoft.

Pastor Newms:

[11:32] I know I just.

Pastor Bill:

[11:34] Just being yelled at and how was like I don't disagree I don't know why you're coming at me so hard haha I'm a third - disinterested party.

Pastor Newms:

[11:47] You know we're very open we're very open with each other and other people and I might or might not be off my medication for another week because I'm in-between insurances and so I might or might not be of the right mental health at the moment and we might or might not over the last couple of weeks fully proved how medicated Newms actually needs to be, so you know what I just realized, I did not text my father Zaydiee text Biggs because Biggs doesn't know that we're live because he's not on any of the places that I just posted to which is why he isn't.

Pastor Bill:

[12:38] Alexa won't text Biggs for you.

Pastor Newms:

[12:39] I have not attached her to my phone because I don't need them communicating more than they already do.

Pastor Bill:

[12:50] Because you're not just a germaphobe you're also a privacyphobe.

Pastor Newms:

[12:58] I used to be I'll agree I used to very much be worried about privacy but but conspiracy theory alert once they start putting chips onto the motherboards that you can't, bypass what is it matter.

Pastor Bill:

[13:17] Yeah it like there's no such thing as privacy anymore if you have an electronic device in your home at all you don't have privacy that's just not a thing anymore.

Pastor Newms:

[13:28] Yeah and I'm not happy about it.

Pastor Bill:

[13:32] But it's not something you can fight either unless you want to live like you're in the Stone Age and then I guess you could.

Pastor Newms:

[13:39] You could but being the product manager of a software company would be very very.

Pastor Bill:

[13:45] Working in software you.

Pastor Newms:

[13:48] Without technology around someone as smart as Vander could possibly still work in Tech without having Tech I'm not that smart though Steve and I shouted you out to that many times.

Pastor Bill:

[14:00] This is my air-dropped laptop that I built myself out of pieces that I mind myself from them Hills right there and when I'm done with my work I mail it in and then I build a new one.

Pastor Newms:

[14:15] It would take something like that honestly I mean you'd have to be custom making your boards but that's beside the point we're not gonna get into that conspiracy theory that not everyone agrees with I don't wanna okay.

Pastor Bill:

[14:23] Now it's time to Get To Know The Pastor's yeah you're gonna okay ready "What do you consider the most overrated virtue?"

Pastor Newms:

[14:49] Which for each group of Virtues are we using are we doing like you know the Biblical thoughts of Virtues as the fruit of the spirit are we doing you know the opposite of the seven deadly sins are we doing what virtues, are you thinking of going with here.

Pastor Bill:

[15:08] You have to answer for yourself man.

Pastor Newms:

[15:12] What I need is some context.

Pastor Bill:

[15:16] Don't have any edges I read you the card that's the context should I pull the next one is this one too hard.

Pastor Newms:

[15:22] No no you go for it you answer and then I'll think about it while you're answering.

Pastor Bill:

[15:26] I have no idea.

Pastor Newms:

[15:28] You're like the virtues are all important what.

Pastor Bill:

[15:31] That's what I that's why I was like, we apply it on the only thing I can think of is patience is a virtue and I'm like I don't think patience is overrated because I mean with the right amount of patience there never would have been any world wars.

Pastor Newms:

[15:55] So

Pastor Bill:

[15:57] So patience is not an overrated virtue.

Pastor Newms:

[16:00] No I don't know you're just stating ones that aren't.

Pastor Bill:

[16:04] Once I do this is one is the only one I can think of.

Pastor Newms:

[16:06] Do I know but mine is when I can think of is love you know I don't know that's what I'm saying I don't know what we're using is.

Pastor Bill:

[16:14] What I'm saying.

Pastor Newms:

[16:16] All right just just give another card I hate your deck.

Pastor Bill:

[16:19] Hey you do. All right "You have $100,000 you have to donate or create a charity?"

Pastor Newms:

[16:32] Easy next.

Pastor Bill:

[16:36] You like we're doing it right now man what.

Pastor Newms:

[16:39] We're doing it right now like.

Pastor Bill:

[16:41] These cards are rigged man.

Pastor Newms:

[16:42] The camera that you're using the computer that you're currently on the book behind me that's research material right here it all came from, the charity that we founded to spread peace hope and love for Christians and bring people to them try again.

Pastor Bill:

[17:04] "If you can instantly become one what would you want to be an expert in?"

Pastor Newms:

[17:10] But I'm an expert in everything already what's your point. No okay so if we're talking true expert I would actually love to be.

An expert developer just bam and be an expert I would love that because my brain does not, fathom learning well and I've struggled to learn, more like I understand the ideologies but the actual programming languages are extremely hard for me with my dicks less bumper bar. My dyslexia so I would like to be able to just be a coding expert and my fingers know how to do it in my brain process all of it correctly and be an expert in that field, booty what I'd have to say what about you.

Pastor Bill:

[18:10] I would like to be an expert in Psychiatry with a secondary minor in Psychology and a focus in counseling. That would that would be great.

Pastor Newms:

[18:28] I could definitely see you doing those things.

Pastor Bill:

[18:33] Young people I could help with that set skill set and people would actually listen to me because I'd be an expert probably wouldn't say anything different than what I do right now but I'd be an expert.

Pastor Newms:

[18:50] See that's a field that being an expert isn't always the best thing sometimes.

Pastor Bill:

[18:57] Not always but.

Pastor Newms:

[18:59] Because often times people don't listen to experts in certain Fields already like you know you should change this and you'll be better you're like sure you I like how I am so.

Pastor Bill:

[19:13] But the better doesn't taste as good.

Pastor Newms:

[19:16] Yeah never so I didn't say dietician because what's the use of knowing I couldn't follow it, so okay cool I mean that works that was a deep you know third time was a charm with the questions it works.

Pastor Bill:

[19:32] It did it works alright so if you are going to be looking up and following along scripturally tonight, then you're going to want to open up your Bible to Colossians chapter 2.

Pastor Newms:

[19:45] Are you going to put them in the chat like you did hmm okay.

Pastor Bill:

[19:49] Like that like that just hit it as enter and then you ask the question.

Pastor Newms:

[19:53] No no that's not.

Pastor Bill:

[19:56] So we'll be spending some time in Colossians chapter 2 we're going to talk a little bit about we both did, today research to refresh our memory about the history of Halloween and the way different cultures look at Halloween and so we'll be talking some about you know what, looked at today because we've both looked into Halloween a lot because it's one of those things you know when when you've got, the church culture telling you no no no no no and you've got the rest of world going yes yes yes yes yes, you need to make a decision for yourself and we live Berean Lifestyles before either of us could even put a title to what it was we both believed in well I gotta I gotta understand what I believe, so I gotta find out what I believe so I gotta I gotta find research I gotta find information so.

Pastor Newms:

[20:46] Now I will say in my past I was more argumentative in it than I was. I need growth so I'm going to.

Pastor Bill:

[21:02] Well yeah yours was I'm going to study to prove what I know to be right so I have tools to shut down those people who believe something else. Someone was like.

Pastor Newms:

[21:14] I mean I wouldn't even say it was that soft it was straight up I want to prove you wrong so I'm studying I didn't even think about it from a standpoint of anyway that's beside the point not.

Pastor Bill:

[21:27] That's not it.

Pastor Newms:

[21:28] Yeah when you take your laptop with your concordances and bibles to church with you to look up everything as the pastor speaking so you can argue as opposed to taking it home and thinking it through and processing it it's probably the wrong route, I had some really good services that way though learned a lot other than when the man was speaking but that's beside the point now we do it the whole time of us researching while we're talking and before.

Pastor Bill:

[22:04] Okay, so we're in Colossians 2 right and Paul I'm gonna I always think Paul writes every book of the New Testament and two-thirds of the time I'm right, did it as a joke that's a Bible joke if you don't understand that go look at how many bibles books of the Bible Paul wrote, so the ball right into the clay Colossians and he starts talking about I wish I was there but I'm not, but I know that you're rooted and grounded in established in faith and I want you to be careful that no one takes you captive, with philosophies of man and man-made how does he put it. Captive through philosophy and empty deceit it's in verse 8 based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world,

rather than Christ and if you go back and you look at the cross references for this verse Paul was specifically talking about the traditions and the things that the church was doing, and saying what we have to do XYZ for it to be a quote-unquote service and if we're not doing that then that's a sin and that's specifically talking about in this verse is. Don't get taken captive by this thought of well it's got to be a certain way and because the church said it has to be a certain way he wasn't even talking about the Gentiles of this point he was just straight-up talking about, you're creating new things to do based off of what you've seen in the world you've gone will they do it this way so we're going to do it because they must be onto something, don't get caught up in all that because that's not based in Christ as based in the world, and he goes on and on he's encouraging them and he's talking about you know you died to the things of the Flesh and you're alive in Christ and Christ died too, we're in verse 15 now disarmed the rulers and authorities and disgraced them publicly right he try and Christ triumphed over the rulers and authorities of this world, then we pick up in verse 16 and this is where we're really going to focus in here. Starting in verse 16 Colossians chapter 2 verse 16 therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the metal matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day now in the King James in verse 16 there, it's a let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon or of the Sabbath days so that holy day in that Festival these could easily be holidays the way we use the word in the modern tongue these are holidays, verse 17 these are a shadow of what was to come the substance is Christ. No one condemned You by delighting in ascetic practices and the worship of angels claiming access to a Visionary Realm,

such people are inflated by empty Notions of their unspiritual mind, now this ascetic practices that's where you abstain from doing something because you believe by abstaining it makes you holy, so he's saying. Don't get caught up in these well they're celebrating these holidays and they're settling these holidays and they're having a Sabbath on this day and they're having the Sabbath on that day and they're eating this food but they don't eat that, and they drink this but they don't drink that don't get caught up in who's doing what, you do between you and God what's right for your relationship with God if you're going to go out and celebrate a holiday go out and celebrate the holiday and continue to be Christian. Celebrate the holiday if you're going to celebrate the holiday you don't be the people who go well I don't I don't celebrate Halloween because that's the devil's holiday, I'm sorry but Paul's looking to you going that very statement you just made, that is inflation of your empty Notions of your unspiritual mind that you won't celebrate. And put on a silly costume and go get free candy because you think you're too holy, just to have a family celebration.

Pastor Newms:

[26:56] I'm going to say this is one of those situations where I actually like the KJV better puffed up by his fleshly mind.

Pastor Bill:

[27:06] Which first was it get lost, 18 let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels intruding into those things which he hath not seen vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.

Pastor Newms:

[27:24] It's just it's just more of a fun way of saying inflated puffed-up is such a better, it's you know it's the same words, but it's just more of a fun way of saying it sometimes you know something like that aren't puffed up, so sorry I got caught up and also I'm sorry that it appears restream might be having a slight issue tonight, my twitch is saying that the bitrate is not great but restream is saying,

the bitrate is perfect so there might be some communication issues going on so if you're experiencing those I am very sorry I've turned everything off just to try to fix it on our side but I honestly think it very much is a. Possibly a restream issue because.

Pastor Bill:

[28:32] Between restream and twitch.

Pastor Newms:

[28:34] Yeah because it says our bit rate is very very bad and that the stream is unstable because the keyframe interval is too high.

Pastor Bill:

[28:49] Okay. All right so that's what I have in the scriptures and you should definitely go back and read into all of that all of all of Colossians chapter 2 is great. I'm thinking if I want to cover any more of these verses before we before we move on to the other things.

Sure, um I'm actually fond of this next piece of Colossians starting in verse 20, if you died with Christ to the elements of this world well I do you live as if you still belong to the world why do you submit to regulations all right, at first it sounded like Paul was saying stay away from the world and get into the church, don't don't be doing worldly things be doing Godly things then he says, why do you submit to regulations don't handle don't taste don't touch whoa whoa wait wait wait that's not the world regulations those are the church's regulations.

Pastor Newms:

[30:00] Well.

Pastor Bill:

[30:02] All these regulations refer to what is destined to perish by being used up their human commands and doctrines, Church's make Doctrine it's not the world although these have a reputation for wisdom, my promoting self-made religion false humility humility and severe treatment of the body they are not of any value in curbing self-indulgence.

Pastor Newms:

[30:37] I think I think that's always been a big issue we talked about a lot of you know we've both seen a lot of people exit the church or,

turn their back on Christianity or turn their back on Christians before ever coming into the church just because of so often churches in and of themselves have created, human commands and doctrines as opposed to just following, the teachings of Christ and the teachings, of the New Testament and all you know the things the things that we're supposed to learn so often we put rigidity around it even more than is there, and I think that's a big issue in a lot of, modern religions because you'll see people talk about why I can't stand religion and you're like oh I agree because, the religion isn't the key it's the relationship and so often sadly we've pushed people away from the relationships and the relationship building and the relationship with God and built around it human commands and doctrines which is a good way of saying it and I like this is twice tonight so I don't know whom. King James had on Colossians but they were on point.

Pastor Bill:

[32:01] Sound point.

Pastor Newms:

[32:13] It's the Commandments and doctrines of men you know it's the same thought process but, just that difference of where they put the of.

Pastor Bill:

[32:29] And it's not like it's not like Paul is is it's only probably sitting outside of the church structure, pointing his finger at the church judging the church, by the time you wrote Colossians so Paul he gets saved on the road to Damascus it's another five five to ten years before he meets the Apostles of the church and joins the church, then he spends 18 years serving in the church. Right as a deacon so he's not speaking from no experience he's speaking from I was in the thick of it for almost two decades.

Pastor Newms:

[33:13] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[33:16] Can't you can't you can't create new doctrines you can't create traditions of men and call them the work of God you didn't you can't deny, certain things and go oh this makes me hold of that I'm denying this because it's not how that works that's just vanity.

Pastor Newms:

[33:36] Well and you know it's sadly something that I think every religion every government every, every human we have issues with that of taking a good idea taking a good thing and then. Oh well if I'm trying to do this will then I have to make it this over here also you know you always you look at.

Pastor Bill:

[34:03] So yeah good.

Pastor Newms:

[34:06] Jesus's teachings even then like hey when you pray don't pray like a Pharisee, you know when you do this don't do it like that when you do this don't do it like that and then people are like okay cool I agree I shouldn't be like that, and then fast forward five to 10 years there like oh could you believe that Susie Joe did blonde blah and you're like wait a second, you shouldn't care what she's each oh did first off and second off don't pray about Susie Joe out loud in front of other people like I'm glad I'm not Susie Joe because, you've you've pushed the line we've all seen it happen.

Pastor Bill:

[34:47] You have misunderstood the assignment.

Pastor Newms:

[34:49] Yeah we've.

Pastor Bill:

[34:52] Yeah I went there I went to.

Pastor Newms:

[34:53] We're someone takes their prayer list and makes it a weapon to a certain degree David did it even we can go even go back to the Old Testament David was like I pray these people burn in hell forever and you're like whoa David, David David David no calm down first off we pray they change we pray they become better.

Pastor Bill:

[35:19] Sometimes when I'm reading what David wrote I'm like dude they really needed some anti-depression pharmacology, because I can I can relate to this energy I can absolutely relate to this energy when I haven't been on my pills for a month or two, I feel it.

Pastor Newms:

[35:39] Have you experienced some recently as well you know do you feel attacked.

Pastor Bill:

[35:44] You know what.

Pastor Newms:

[35:45] Overall.

Pastor Bill:

[35:48] So well, two of the two two aspects that I admire about Buddhism, is one it is a loosely held religion the way Christianity is supposed to be, there aren't a set packed of rules you have to do this you have to do that we have to do this you have to do that, there are strict cultural understandings a different parts of the world that are tied into Buddhism that your family will hold you to a cultural standard but there's no like, you know from the top down going we have to do this you have to do that yeah right, so I admire that because Christianity is supposed to be that way supposed to own your own walk and, when they practice asceticism right when they practice I'm,

depriving myself of this thing they're not depriving themselves of that thing to make themselves better, but not going well it makes me a better person because I don't, blah they go well I'm not gonna blob because when I do it makes me a worse person. So it's set flip of that idea you know where we see in modern Christianity they go well I'm not gonna do that because I'm better than that I'm a better person than doing that, and in and then Buddhism it's well I'm not going to do that because if I do that it makes me less of a person, I can't be more of a person than I already am and I can't be better than I am but I can remove those things that make me lesser than I am. And so I admire those two concepts of Buddhism and you know as it applies to this this idea that it reminds me of those Concepts. I want anybody saying I endorse Buddhism because obviously Christ is the way.

Pastor Newms:

[37:56] Well and did the Greek Orthodox Church some of what. There are certain aspects I really enjoy about degree with Orthodox Church some I don't agree with of course as we have everything but one of the things I really enjoy and didn't know about this for years because well unless you're taught it, you're not going to because they're not going to fully tell you because the purpose of this which is when they're fasting. You know fasting is important if you're able to please don't fast if you're medically not able to like myself,

try to kill yourself too fast just to say I fasted because that's again not the purpose of any of this.

Pastor Bill:

[38:41] That's the opposite of what we're going for.

Pastor Newms:

[38:43] The opposite of what we're talking about so no matter how hard you think you have failed as a Christian do not go out and try to fast if you can't not going to help when they're fasting from something. They're not allowed to tell people so like we have a friend.

Pastor Bill:

[39:02] Jesus is instructions.

Pastor Newms:

[39:05] We have a friend who when they fast we found out me and another one of our other friends, found out the night we played D&D was one of the nights they were fasting a certain thing well four years when we would get together, all the different kinds of meat because we're at the time we're, a bunch of people who aren't tend to be nerdy eat you know we like pizza and we would order, and it would come and they would eat and you know blah blah blah fast forward a while some it was like one of the times it was his turn to do something he was like well let's do this and he slipped, and was like cuz there's no meat on it and we were like why don't you want meat, well I technically I'm not supposed to partake of meat on this day because it's a day of fasting and we fast meat and we're like. But what and so then it created a conundrum where he had to you know go into the details of it of like okay look you're because all of a sudden those of us that are religious or respectful of other religions you're like you've made us make you bad you know, no no no no that's not how this works, it's a personal thing so if you're offered something you're supposed to still take it because it's you're not supposed to announce I'm fasting me and so then we change what we would do, we weren't ordering chicken nugget every time you know we were you know we always ordered a cheese pizza then it you know, in that I really loved that teaching of hey. Offend other people by, saying well I'm so great because I'm fasting that right now and you're just not and I enjoyed that now I'm not saying the entire Greek Orthodox Church walks in that way, but he did and I always really applauded that. Dying don't do that no dying.

Pastor Bill:

[41:47] Tried to breathe my coffee instead of swallowing it.

Pastor Newms:

[41:49] That's not going to work.

Pastor Bill:

[41:50] No it's not. I've been studying about the tithe you know and in the when we were meeting face-to-face for The Ekklesian House.

We didn't take up an offering this is part of my study you know ties and offerings we weren't taking up an offering because I felt like. It wasn't right like we were putting people on the spot and taking advantage of the moment and then. Discord says that I just told Zaydiee that there was something in the freezer, chicken nuggets in the freezer all right and so I thought we were taking advantage and then I found the scripture where Paul calls it extortion to expect money when you show up on the spot for preaching, and so I internalized his personal belief and started to teach it as a you know torture, and we came to us dance of. In our church that we wouldn't take up an offering that if somebody wanted to give they could give we'd have envelopes their pins they if they want it in private to drop some envelope that's between them and God, we weren't going to ask we're going to bring it up and we were going to continue to pay for food for anyone who showed up, um every Sunday and we did and we never didn't have the money to pay we got close, um but we never didn't have the money to pay for food for food forever new showed up and so I had this guy in the car he was a young guy who was Greek Orthodox, and so I was talking to him and I you know I don't I don't go to a Greek Orthodox church and so I was just wondering is there a stance that they have, and so I asked him so do you guys take up an offering, during your services and he said what what is that what's an offering and I was like well that answers the question but let me explain so in a Protestant and a Evangelical and in these churches like this, every Sunday they pass around a basket or a bucket or they they do a mini sermon about God blessing you and you giving to the church and then they pass it around and everyone puts their tithe in it and they, and they put it their offerings in it and and then the that money is for the church. And he got this really angry look on his face and he said those are Heretics and they need their churches burned down. And I said wow that's how you feel about it he said no no that's that's the truth a Greek Orthodox Church would never put you on the spot and ask you for money. Our men in our women get together and volunteer their time to make crafts that we then go and sell to raise money for our churches. We volunteer our time I don't ask people to volunteer their money that's wrong, and I said you know what I agree not to the extent that you do I do think we should be burning down churches but, I agree that it's that I don't for me believe it is the right thing for me as a pastor to get up and go all right if everyone will crack open their wallet to the tune of you know like you do with it so crippled, okay crack open your Bible alright so now we're off topic just a little bit.

Pastor Newms:

[45:22] Just a little Halloween.

Pastor Bill:

[45:24] But that's fine Halloween Newms what did you what did you find in your research that you wanted to or get reminded of or whatever that you might want to bring up about the history of Halloween.

Pastor Newms:

[45:37] Can't fidget with that while we're live on Twitch because they don't condone weapons on the stream so.

Pastor Bill:

[45:46] He pulls out his magic wand and yells Avada Kedavra.

Pastor Newms:

[45:50] No this one isn't an actual magic wand because it has a trademark on it and anything with a trademark is I can't see it you know anything that.

Pastor Bill:

[45:59] Alright alright alright.

Pastor Newms:

[46:03] So I. You don't know nothing that I looked up today was different than what I what I really thought one of the things that I was reminded of. That I did enjoy was the fact that, there's a lot of people that use a lot of different scriptures to say why you shouldn't celebrate Halloween, and it was really funny because I came across an article and it was like, here are the verses why you shouldn't celebrate Halloween and it was like you should not walk in darkness you should be the light and then the person, I was like.

Pastor Bill:

[46:52] Wakes can you say that again.

Pastor Newms:

[46:55] It was something like don't walk in darkness you should be the light right and then the person was like, that verses taken out of context and here's why and list the reasons and then it was like one was like do not suffer a witch to live and they're like is part of your collecting candy. Actually casting spells do you think that the knock on the door is you casting a magic spell to get candy and it was

it was very humorously written and I was like hey I like that do you think that trick or treat is an actual spell that gets you candy I mean it kind of works like a spell but it's not, um people just give it to you it's some it's amazing.

Pastor Bill:

[47:38] It's more akin to a threat than anything else not.

Pastor Newms:

[47:41] It really is it really is extortion it is extortion going back to what we were speaking of it is extortion because the term trick-or-treat is you give me a treat or I will trick you I mean it is what it is, now that goes back to differ.

Pastor Bill:

[47:59] Not as bad as the Christmas celebration of to go a caroling.

Pastor Newms:

[48:07] It is not would you like to speak to that one.

Pastor Bill:

[48:11] Sure so the Christmas tradition of going caroling going door-to-door singing song, um this tradition was originally the poor and the homeless would go door-to-door and sing songs and when they got to the end of the song, you were expected to give them food money clothing treats and if you did not provide that it was 100% legal, for them to break into your house and drag you out into the street and beat the living poo out of you and then go on to the next house and continue singing It's just lovely tradition of Christmas caroling,

beautiful and for longer than. Longer than Christmas has been recognized by the Catholic Church, the the night of December 25th was long celebrated as a night of, where there were no laws you could kill anyone you wanted beat anyone up you wanted do anything you wanted and it was all encouraged in the name of Saturnalia. And these are the Traditions that we then toned down and made into the supposed, birthday of Jesus that doesn't match any description given in the by biblical story of even the right time of year, not even not even the right season anyway Halloween.

Pastor Newms:

[49:54] Well in in Halloween's roots are. Very interesting in that you know a lot of people trace it back to one event or one specific aspect most people to trace it back to. The Celts in the 6-2 800s ish is.

Pastor Bill:

[50:21] But there was a form of Halloween going back recorded recorded going back as far as the Egyptians in 3000 BCE.

Pastor Newms:

[50:35] Which I find to be interesting considering the difference of areas of those two people I honestly think there are certain holidays that,

seasons are seasons and people like to celebrate them.

Pastor Bill:

[50:51] So most of these Halloween celebrations that we see Pop Up in history wherever they pop up it's always this time of year and it's always rooted around well the hot summer time is ending, and the cold dark winter time is coming and so we're going to take time to remember how blessed we are, and tell each other stories about how blessed the next year's gonna be and we're going to give each other candy. And we're going to expose our fears to each other and help each other overcome them. Is it the traditional celebrations of Halloween.

Pastor Newms:

[51:38] Yes some of them for the for the majority of people yes those are.

Pastor Bill:

[51:43] Yes we're talking about majority where they push we're just pops up and cultures this is the majority of what they are doing.

Pastor Newms:

[51:52] Then you have the fun ones.

Pastor Bill:

[51:56] Then you have the fun ones.

Pastor Newms:

[51:58] You know the the pagans certain Pagan groups in, the Britain Islands the Celts the Scottish the Anglo-Saxons before the Romans came in and and Romanized them more, they they had some interesting beliefs around this time of year and it evolved over time but a lot of it has to do very similar to Day of the Dead where, um you had people. The veils are are thinner is with the belief is between the spiritual and the physical and so because of that, in the Celtic certain Celtic aspects the monsters would come out and in order.

Pastor Bill:

[52:50] But not even, October 31st it was November 1st, has always been the day that every that all those cultures believed the veil was thinnest and was the day that the monsters came out and was the day that all the evil stuff happened, and the day before was a day to celebrate and prepare yourself for that day.

Pastor Newms:

[53:18] So it's very interesting when you look at that kind of stuff is we have definitely, altered, what those beliefs were some of them in good ways and some of them in bad you know we have the jacket lanterns jack-o'-lanterns are fun, they used to be human fat candles as opposed to regular candles because let's be.

Pastor Bill:

[53:48] And they were never pumpkins until.

Pastor Newms:

[53:51] They were not pumpkins until America.

Pastor Bill:

[53:53] Until America and a certain story was written about a certain Headless Horseman and then people started using pumpkins.

Pastor Newms:

[54:00] Well and because the pumpkin was just a better jack-o-lantern than the original jacket Lon.

Pastor Bill:

[54:05] Yeah it really is it's bigger its greater yeah the The Originals were just gourds of.

Pastor Newms:

[54:10] They're just gourds and then all of a sudden someone was like this pumpkin is such a better gourd and so they started using it yeah it's everywhere.

Pastor Bill:

[54:17] And who grows wild in this place seriously just throw a rock just throw rotten pumpkin out in your yard at the end of Halloween don't even Johnny from buried or anything in Spring you'll have little Vines of pumpkins.

Pastor Newms:

[54:32] Yeah which is funny I saw, remember there's Facebook or Tik-Tok it was just a single image I think it was Facebook but it showed a dog that was super happy because the dog got into a pumpkin, and then the natural progression of what happens after a dog eats something happened and so then under the trampoline, did the kids played on pumpkin started growing the next year because that's where the dog left the seeds and it's like that's. And so it's like her look I made pumpkins and it shows like a little row of little pumpkins and the dogs just happy because he made pumpkins. And so it is always very interesting to look at how Halloween has progressed throughout the time now for the reason I celebrate it it's different than the reason you do, the reason I celebrate it still is a bit yes just a bit just a bit, the reason I celebrated is twofold one, what Halloween is in America today, is not what it was.

Pastor Bill:

[55:46] Mmm not even close to what any culture has celebrated.

Pastor Newms:

[55:51] Nowhere close I like costumes, I've done drama for I did drama when I was younger I love makeup I love costumes and so, I like dressing up in a costume and this is the only time of year that it's culturally acceptable because if I was to roll around with bunny heads or or other things except in certain communities it's not acceptable the rest of the year, and so I love it for that reason and I used to love candy. I no longer love candy is much but I used to love candy and so in that it's a time where you could dress up run around scare people,

which is always fun and get free candy and it's amazing now, coming from the background I came from we did Halloween a little but we mainly did trunk or treat sore or how fall festivals.

Pastor Bill:

[56:50] And there's nothing wrong with fall festivals and sugar treats.

Pastor Newms:

[56:54] Nothing wrong with.

Pastor Bill:

[56:55] Nothing wrong with celebrating the way you want.

Pastor Newms:

[56:58] Each other.

Pastor Bill:

[56:59] Going to clean you know family-friendly way nothing wrong with that.

Pastor Newms:

[57:04] Now as long as you don't go the certain routes, of things that don't just happen around Halloween but happen around all times of year now I will put out a PSA you do have to be careful, goth girls are awesome but if you start dating one about a week before Halloween

you might want to check yourself because goth girls are dangerous during Halloween because they will use you for candy.

Pastor Bill:

[57:32] They can be dangerously High.

Pastor Newms:

[57:34] No I'm just joking there's that there's that funny meme of if you start digging a golf girl in October she will sacrifice you which let's be honest most of you aren't worthy of sacrifice or dating so it's fine don't worry about it, that was wrong as me I'm sorry I am sorry everyone out there that was mean that was very mean-spirited.

Pastor Bill:

[57:55] I mean you're not wrong but yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[57:58] And I'm not wrong so that's the reason I celebrate Halloween, is it's a time of Celebration with family it's a time it's just like any of the other holidays that I don't necessarily agree with I don't agree with where most holidays actually come from because, the church perverted pagan holidays for almost all of ours and, change them to be what they are I mean even the church's version of Halloween we don't celebrate because most of us don't celebrate All Saints All Souls or All Hallows Eve, yeah and then All Souls day on November second which is a celebration of the Dead, to certain people the celebration of the Dead.

Pastor Bill:

[58:41] So yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[58:42] That didn't get to rise.

Pastor Bill:

[58:44] Right well thanks today is celebrating the Saints Souls day is traditionally where you pray for the unsaved who died unsaved and you could go by the pendants to change that, future is the way the Catholic Church.

Pastor Newms:

[59:01] That's the way the Catholic Church rolls it there's some other churches that celebrate it that's a Time, to reflect on the souls that died in between that are still stuck in, not Purgatory but in like, Abraham's bosom that whole thing before the end judgment which is where the Catholic Church gets the idea of purgatory anyway and they've expanded over time but it's neither here nor there.

Pastor Bill:

[59:29] Except Catholic Purgatory is always negative there is no cute fuzzy Abraham's bosom Catholic purgatory.

Pastor Newms:

[59:39] I have heard it taught fuzzy sometimes I think it depends on how they're trying to.

Pastor Bill:

[59:48] Manipulate the audience.

Pastor Newms:

[59:51] Explain their belief system.

Pastor Bill:

[59:52] No no no no. The whole the whole catechism setup is is instrumentated around manipulation it's not a time for teaching they do teaching they do a lot of great stuff the Catholic Church, they invest in a lot of communities they have all the right religious things, then they have it dressed in all this greed and pump and fluff and and dead religion but they're getting all the right things right they're just doing all the wrong things too.

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:31] It definitely is true that they they're in my opinion they are missing a lot.

Pastor Bill:

[1:00:41] I don't think they're missing anything I think they've added a lot of things that.

Pastor Newms:

[1:00:46] But they're missing the point they're missing the point they're missing the lodge.

Pastor Bill:

[1:00:49] In those extra things they're missing the point yes.

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:01] You know any religion has issues and can be manipulated which is that whole thing of.

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:10] The word religion is a manipulation just to start off with what.

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:17] That's what week.

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:18] That well that's a manipulative question your you've already manipulated the situation.

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:24] Yeah and that's one of the reasons why I really think that we have to focus on the relationship more than anything because that's the important part.

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:31] And not just the relationship with God because we you know we talked about making disciples it's all about the people relationships as well you know it's not just hey or say this prayer and then you know, go live your life don't bother me kid that's not that's not what it's supposed to be all right so Halloween for me. My celebration of Halloween is a celebration of the embodiment of the recognition that the darkness has been defeated, and it's a time to poke fun of make mockery of and just have a darn good old time at the darkness has. Watch scary movies from the comfort of my own home and laugh at how campy they are. Dress up my house in the icon of iconography, of skulls and bats and and spider webs and things like this because it's hilarious, that the darkness tries to use these everyday just ridiculous things to try to claim, an edge over our souls, go out on Halloween and get me some candy and take my kids to go out of candy and draw them close to me and instill in them, family time with brothers and sisters and Mom and Dad and extended family that you've made your own is, that having fun with that group is important it is worth investing in, these are the things that I celebrate Halloween for, and we do things like this we have this little we saw this little countdown to Halloween calendar that I have hanging in my little, cubicle office thing here with a little magnetic bat that you move everyday as you get closer to Halloween and we decorated the house and the kids got to pick out Halloween costumes and, all because we're making light of and taking away their power of the darkness. We're mocking it we're not lifting it up we're not not praising it and giving it power we're literally sending a message that it does not have power over our family, it has been defeated and it is no more than our play thing that when we're done with this season we will throw in a box, and store it away until we deem it time to pull it back out again. We're in control the darkness has lost God has won Christ has been Victorious, the devil's plans have been defeated before he even it even sorry you know colloquialisms he before it even made them, they were defeated and that's that celebration now growing up, I you know I was raised in church and we'd have the Hallelujah nights I believe is what they called them when I was growing up and we'd go and we'd play carnival games and get candy and you know,

and every year and it was like you know good old time with candy and whatnot and then, um in my teenage years I got into I mean everybody has something that they were into before they actually, committed themselves to Christ you know in Evangelical circles we talked about well your there's your seed moment and then there's your commitment moment there's that moment where you go down to the Altar and, you you know you respond to the call and then there's the time where you go okay well actually, now now now I'm a Christian and you own it you know you own that life. Um and so I was raised in church and then at 13 I got involved in Witchcraft and Satan worship and just really really really dark. Dark things the occult and so two two years I celebrated too. Celebrations of this time of year in that culture. And so October 31st hey big just got under this, October 31st was this day wear, we would fast and we would contemplate and we would be silent and, just prepare for November 1st October 31st went nothing, to the satanic community that I was involved with I can't speak for every culture in every country in every part of the world I can only speak for what I experienced and for us,

October 31st was nothing there were no, incantations or spells or anything that needed to be done or could be done or would be done it was looked down upon it was encouraged that you didn't do anything on October 31st, and then at midnight that marked the end of October 31st for you and the beginning of November first that's when everything would kick off, and then November first was actually a celebration of, the day that Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and so it's. Do you know this dark holiday where we would celebrate the fall of Man and yeah that's the day that all of the, the stuff that you are afraid of that you think people are doing on October 31st that's what they're doing on November first. And not just at night during the day it's during the night it's and it's all over the world so it's like a 20 what is it 30 40, 46 our time period is what it constitutes a full day on the earth the, um so it's you know it's it's happening while you're while you're celebrating Halloween getting candy in another part of the world they're celebrating November first,

in satanic circles and well I just. A lot of I see a lot of stuff people making videos and I have to cringe and and bite my tongue but I see a lot of people talking about watch out for them which is they're going to take your kids and sacrifice them to Satan and did it, and I really just want to be like you've confused the worshippers of Satan with the worshippers of Moloch. Moloch is the owl demon who's actually not a demon he's a fallen angel he's the owl fallen angel that declares that, you need to sacrifice children to him loose fur isn't interested in,

child sacrifice ball is Moloch is balls not really operating anymore my lock is now, but you've gotten things a little confused there. Satan's Satanist don't want to sacrifice your children they want to recruit your. They want to come into their bedrooms, when you aren't spending time with them and haven't invested time with them and tell them lies about you that you don't love them and that you don't care for them and that you won't even let them go get candy, and things like that and try to recruit them that's that's what steepness one but that's neither here nor there so there are people, there are celebrating this time of the year for dark Pete's not necessarily on Halloween, I mean it's pretty much right there in the name it's a holy day it's set apart it's Sanctified it, everyone agrees on both sides of the line Angelic Fallen Angels demons spiritual creatures God Lucifer everyone agrees. That's a holy day except for evangelicals. Everyone except for evangelicals sees October 31st as a holy day. I kind of like what the Lutheran's do and they just have like a festival and and hang out and what's it called Reformation day and Reformation day that's.

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:02] Reformation day okay.

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:04] That's fun and it's just an excuse to have a festival, and so the kids still get candy and I still get to dress up and they still and this is what we should be doing as followers of Christ we should be looking at what our kids are admiring of the world and we should go hey you know what, let me do you one better, we're going to also not just have candy we're going to have games we're going to have prizes we're going to have cake and pizza and we're have a lot of fun. With our family because we value. It's not that we don't want you to have a good time that we want to offer you a better time that's what the church should be doing with Halloween and that's that's how I feel about that.

Pastor Newms:

[1:11:50] I can't disagree.

Pastor Bill:

[1:11:53] We could but you don't want to right now if you're really good at playing Devil's Advocate even when you don't agree with what you're saying so you could disagree.

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:02] I mean I always could disagree like you said I'm but I don't I don't need to hurt our either one of our feelings again today.

By pushing pushing too far on things I don't or do you agree on.

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:18] I love you all right.

Pastor Newms:

[1:12:23] I love you I'm sorry I was yelling about Microsoft I was not actually mad at you you just set a trigger phrase I'm sorry I yelled.

Pastor Bill:

[1:12:31] I did you're good you're good we we've got a lot of water under this bridge so. These poor horses okay so this podcast is brought to you by the occlusion house you can go check us out on www.ekk.house, and there you can find out what twitch what Facebook and what YouTube We published you we recorded these podcasts live, usually on Sunday nights but Sunday is Halloween and if you've been listening in this episode of this podcast and you know for me and for Newms that's a family holiday that's the time we're going to spend time with our family, and so we didn't want to record a live podcast on that day we wanted to invest time in our family, so we recorded it tonight and so here we are tonight being Friday October 29th is when we recorded this instead of on a Sunday, and this podcast is coming out early, simply because of the fact that I wanted it to be available for people on Halloween morning and then obviously November verse,

for them to listen to and be educated about as they head into this holiday weekend. Now normally this podcast comes out on Wednesday evenings at 7 p.m. Central Standard time anywhere that you get your podcasts and if you wanted to join us live on a Sunday night when we record this as 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time you can go to EK K dot house to find out which twitch which Facebook and which YouTube we are live on and like we've talked about earlier in the podcast when you type into the chat, client in those streaming services it does show up for us across cross posts we can see it and then we have our own Discord server if you'd like to reach out to us about how to,

get invited to our server so you can be a part of the chat there if you'd rather there instead of twitch Facebook or YouTube, Pastor Newms is Twitch is twitch.tv/pastornewms

Pastor Newms:

[1:14:52] Newms it's very it's very hard.

Pastor Bill:

[1:14:54] Very hard to remember and when we're done here in just a couple minutes we're actually going to queue up over there will in this stream and then we'll kick up a new stream, over there and we'll be doing some gaming with, the pastor's a time where we hang out and we talked and we play games and you can go on to Pastor Newms as twitch and chat with us as questions and hang out with us while we play, games tonight if we think we serve were playing New World.

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:22] I think so.

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:23] What are you grinning about over there.

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:25] I keep picking up the knife to play with it knowing were not supposed to pick up knives on Twitch.

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:29] Your little bitty knife.

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:31] Yeah my little my little knife that starts with a K that I can't remember correctly that's a belt knife but yes no it's not.

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:44] You're talking about the word knife starting with a K you were talking about the company than I've started with a k.

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:49] No it's a it's a it's a style.

Pastor Bill:

[1:15:52] Oh okay.

Pastor Newms:

[1:15:54] And I can't I can't remember off my top of my head because it's a foreign language and we all know how I am with foreign languages so.

Pastor Bill:

[1:16:03] All right well we love you guys I hope you have a great week.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 50 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm glad you're here. we record this podcast live on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time. So the the title of tonight is Eschatology is Now. And if you don't know what eschatology is, eschatology is the study of the end times, and Heaven and Hell and eternal dwelling that's what eschatology is all right and so basically what we're going to focus on tonight is we're going to talk about how, eschatology shouldn't be what it currently is, right so you got a lot of people that are preaching on the end times a lot of people that are preaching on all this fear-mongering stuff a lot of people that are saying you know the end is nigh and while yes I agree things are, crazy out there, constantly everyday looks more and more like things that are in prophecy books are coming true and things like that. We need to make sure that we're not spreading fear. To Christian and unbeliever alike with what we are speaking and preaching and and how we're doing things. So we are if you want to write down all the places that we're going to hit in scripture now's the time to do that write it down type it down.

Pastor Newms:

[1:47] Second wait one second Biggs what do you mean you're getting a repeat? And groggy what do you mean new booster I'm confused chat has confused me. Now that I've asked the questions that waiting for them to speak you can list out the verses now or you can type them into chat if you'd like oh he got the booster shot.

Pastor Bill:

[2:10] Oh I can life type them in the chat okay so we will be in first, Thessalonians chapter 4 specifically in the verses of 9 through 12. We will be spending some time in James chapter 1 verses 19 through 27. We will be in Titus Chapter 2 verses 11 through 14. And we will be in 1 Peter 3 versus 13 through 17 and then you go and put those into the chat so if you're watching on Facebook, Twitch, or YouTube you should see those popping up, hopefully in the chat there our bot is supposed to work both ways some of those channels might not be picking that up but they're supposed to be and if you have anything you want to contribute as we're moving along and you're joining us live on Twitch, Facebook, or YouTube then you can just type right there on the comment section and I will, see those my wife watches through YouTube and chats and comments we've got most of our people watch Twitch.

Pastor Newms:

[3:31] I don't think she is.

Pastor Bill:

[3:33] You don't think she's watching through YouTube.

Pastor Newms:

[3:36] She don't which she right there.

Pastor Bill:

[3:38] It's going to return oh yes she joined Twitter this week yeah so that I guess this week she's watching on Twitch, in the past she's.

Pastor Newms:

[3:45] Which I'm fine with.

Pastor Bill:

[3:46] And she's I know it builds the the viewer numbers which is good it gives us more standing with church so we can get the message out further, um in the past she's watched on YouTube and when she has commented it's come through on to the Discord server because of the Restream Bot that we that we're running with.

Pastor Newms:

[4:03] When I did just check it is going out. And Groggy it looks like what Groggy means is he is giving the booster since he works at a pharmacy, and so he's tired that would be why he hasn't responded to my Discord messages in two days because he's busy.

Pastor Bill:

[4:24] Right he's busy getting booster OK so let's start we're going to start in 1st Thessalonians chapter 4. And I should have had that one queued in my Bible since that was the first one we were going to read but I. Forgot to queue it and my Bible is cute to 1st Peter chapter 3 instead I'm going to keep my finger there. 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 verses 9 through 12 so our Focus tonight. Eschatology is a thing and it's the thing that we're supposed to be doing because I'm going to tell you it is eschatology just a thing you should be doing you should be looking forward to a time should be looking forward to Eternity should be looking for you know it's not something you can ignore but what we're going to be doing tonight is we're going to be taking a look at eschatology and I'm going to give you, the way I believe that you should be approaching eschatology okay and this is. I don't know how to explain it beyond that but let's just get started first Thessalonians chapter 4 we're starting in verse 9. About brotherly love you don't need me to write to you because you yourselves are taught by God to love one another in fact you are doing this toward all the brothers and sisters in the entire region of Macedonia, but we encourage you brothers and sisters to do this even more so even more than loving fellow believers. Paul saying I encourage you this thing that I'm about to say even more importantly than loving your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. To seek to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your own hands as we commanded you so that you may behave properly in the presence of Outsiders and not be dependent on anyone, right so our first point that I want to make on, eschatology and thinking about the end times and thinking about eternity is be quiet. Mind your own business that's Point number one. And that's straight out of first Thessalonians even more important than loving other believers. Is that you be quiet and you mind your own business so that you're not out on the street corners. In the presence of Outsiders behaving improperly. So that you're not out there saying you're all Senators you're all going to go to hell so that you're not out there acting a fool and making the church look silly okay that's Point number one. Mind your own business and be quiet.

Pastor Newms:

[7:41] That is your first point yes.

Pastor Bill:

[7:45] That is my first point. And then we're going to tie this all together so in the end we're going to have a more comprehensive look at well yes you're going to mind your own business be quiet but there's more to it and we're going to move forward from here you know into what there is more to it.

Pastor Newms:

[8:00] Get the points out of the way and then discuss it.

Pastor Bill:

[8:03] Why were you at the points out of the way and then we'll go back and we'll talk about what we're actually talking about here number to James chapter 1 verses 19 through 27. Of course I don't and my little red book Mark thing, into the scriptures earlier and somehow it's just now flopping the wind out here, it fell out so now it's not marking the two spot that I had in marking our James chapter 1 verses 19 through 27. My dear brothers and sisters understand this added want to should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to anger right be quiet mind your own business is that kind of what are you saying here.

Pastor Newms:

[8:56] A little.

Pastor Bill:

[8:57] For human anger does not accomplish God's righteousness therefore, ridding yourself of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent humbly receive the implanted word which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word and not hearers only deceiving yourself. Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer he is like someone looking at his own face in a mirror for he looks at himself goes away and immediately forgets what kind of person he was. But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres in it and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer who works, this person shall be blessed in what he does. If anyone thinks he is religious without controlling his done right so you're not being quiet and not minding your own business but you think you're doing God's work. His religion is useless and he deceives himself pure and undefiled religion before God, the father is this, to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained from the world now, you I think James was specifically talking about just orphans and just widows no but I do believe that the people he was writing to. In their culture they would have understood that these are areas that they've been neglecting that needed to be taken care of, they were neglecting the widows they were neglecting the orphans and he wasn't saying taking care of Orphans and widows is the only work of God,

because obviously, getting water to people in places where they don't have water that's the work of God getting food to people that are living on the street and can't feed themselves that's a work of God. So he's not excluding every other service from being worked as God but he's highlighting these areas where. The people in his writing to have failed in this specific area Okay so Point number two, be a doer of the word so one be quiet in mind your own business, to be a doer of the word and what I mean by being a doer of the word is in your own life do the word in your own life if you believe, X Y and Z our sins then your own life you avoid doing X Y & Z if you believe that a B and C are services to God in your own life then do a b and c, in your own life that's being a doer of the word is your own life all right now we're getting description number three, Titus Chapter 2 Titus gotta find Titus.

Pastor Newms:

[12:13] Got to try really hard not to flip pass Titus.

Pastor Bill:

[12:16] I know.

Pastor Newms:

[12:18] That's one of those it's really easy to just fly past and you're like.

Pastor Bill:

[12:21] Really is like what where'd you go Titus Titus where is Titus other day.

Pastor Newms:

[12:27] Timothy and Philemon.

Pastor Bill:

[12:30] A couple more that are easy to miss well not Timothy so much for filename and yeah Philemon everyone say it, Titus Chapter 2 verses 11 through 14 all right, for the grace of God has appeared bringing salvation for all people, instructing us to deny godlessness and worldly lusts and to live in a sensible righteous and godly way in the present age, while we wait for the Blessed hope the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, he gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to cleanse for himself a people for his own possession eager,

to do good works Proclaim these things, encourage and rebuke with all authority let no one disregard you I added verse 15 on the end there okay so that's Point number three is, be eager to do good works all right so we gotta be quiet mind our own business alright take care of our own house. Make sure that's all taken care of keep your head down be a doer of the word and our own life you know carry out the word in your own life and number three, be eager to do good works, be eager to volunteer to go out and take care of homeless and orphans and widows be eager to find it time to go out and make sure that, people living in villages in Africa have access to clean water and clean places to you know, take care of their business there's this one company that sells this this neat little, potted thing and basically they bury it and it becomes the subject tank and then when it's full they cap it over and then there's actually a tree seed in the bottom of it and it becomes a tree and so it's just really neat thing knit really neat you know septic alternative for villages to use because not only does it give them a place to have clean sewage control but then when they filled it up, it's also going to give a tree that's been going to give wood and shade until they make it into wood and possibly give them fruit from a tree, so things like this you know look like look for things like this to do good works all right now number 4 we are going to first Peter. And then over hitting these fast but we're going to you know we just want to hit them and then we want to have discussion, and because we want to overall idea not just debating one piece back and forth we want to see how they work together. Um First Peter chapter 3 verses 13 through 17 that right first be almond second Peter I was like that doesn't look right. Are what you eat you start making those little noises.

Pastor Newms:

[15:33] Now I might have just launched something that might or might not have started a little bit of sound in between you reading because until you press the green button it plays the Star Trek theme. So it and I was like hoops, yeah anyway.

Pastor Bill:

[15:57] So we are in First Peter.

Pastor Newms:

[15:58] Yep first Peter.

Pastor Bill:

[16:00] Chapter 3 verse 13. Who then will harm you if you are devoted to what is good but even if you should suffer for righteousness you are blessed. Do not fear what they fear or be intimidated, but in your hearts regard Christ the lord as holy ready at any time to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you. And I said we're going with you through verse 17 yet do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience so that when you are accused those who disparage your Good Conduct in Christ will be put to shame, for it is better to suffer for doing good if that should be God's will then for doing evil. It's a point number one that I wanted to make was be quiet and mind your own business, and I've talked about that verse in the past where when I first encountered that verse it hurt me I was like but I'm supposed to be,

emissions the guy I'm supposed to be going out and spreading the gospel I'm supposed to be going out and using my voice to change the world because I misunderstood what it was saying, be quiet and mind your own business isn't advice to take care of your own house first, take care of your own business first take care of your own health first so that you can be a good servant of the Gods. Number two was be a doer of the word and your own life, apply the word to your life let it change you let it inform you let it make you who you are from a day-to-day basis point number 3. Be eager to do good works so always be looking for that way that you can serve and that way that you can bring like to people's lives and that way that you can better the world around you and number four, be ready to share hope and what did Paul tell us our Hope was.

Our Hope was looking forward to the return of the Lord and The Eternity that we're going to spend with him. So when we talk about eschatology you know the study of n times the study of Eternity I believe this should be our Focus. I am going to do my best to be quiet and get my house in order. Apply the word to my life so that I start to look like the word of God. I'm going to be eager to do good works so that I'm not just a talking head I'm not just oh yeah that's that guy that talks about the gospel but leaves people unfed and cold in the streets when we've talked about that scripture before in the past, that's not good and then number four I'm going to be ready so that when someone asks me why. Why do you have hope how can you continue on when life is rough and just rough-and-tumble out here I'm ready to share that hope. I have hope that this this is temporary. And one day the Lord will return and I'm going to spend eternity with God. That's my idea of true pure eschatology no fear mongering. No you know the end is near kind of you know that's not gentleness that's not preaching with gentleness. Now there is a place in a time for going out in the streets there is a time and a place for going to Pride, and showing love now if you're out side of Pride and you're yelling all of you are centers that are going to hell change the way you are and, and be like me listen there's no gentleness and love in those statements.

Pastor Newms:

[20:20] Not even going that far not saying change straight up just saying because of who you are you are going to burn in hell no.

Pastor Bill:

[20:30] I was trying to be gracious but yes one though. That we had the problem with he did not say change he didn't offer that option he didn't offer that at all he just said you're all going to hell and this is why, and never actually preach the gospel the whole time he was there.

Pastor Newms:

[20:49] And that that's an even worse key.

Pastor Bill:

[20:54] He was preaching anti gospel the whole time that he was their pride while we were there in Pride on the inside trying to tell people that we love you and God loves you and if you'll come to God, he won't turn you away for who and how you are right now you won't get won't turn you away. Bright and so yes it's all about love you have faith, you express hope and you live out love. Faith hope and love so that's what that was my Five Points again were, be quiet mind your own business I know he's Newms laughing every time I say business because it sounds so silly but that's the way I actually say that like in my normal life like every time I get to the word business it always comes out as bidness because I think it's fun to say it though way, right or wrong I don't I don't know I never to be a doer of the word number three be eager to do good works and number four be ready, to share hope we are big proponents of friendship evangelism at the occlusion house and the Berean Manifesto and, these this will get you prepared and into those friendships. Where people will trust you to ask you what's different about you I know that, I know you filed for bankruptcy I know you've had that car repo'd I know you you've got this problem and then you've got that problem and I've seen you persevere through all of it and you've still got the smile on your face and you're still Rising on top of all of it you got to let me know how you're doing this because, I know it ain't crack cocaine and I know it ain't you know, 40s of every alcohol you can get off the because I know you're not like that so you gotta tell me what is it that you're doing here that's different than what I'm doing, that's when you share the hope now at the same time we've talked about you shouldn't be ashamed of being a Christian. People should just know that she just know that he is a Christian, not that that separates you I mean Newms you've balanced being a Christian and working in the tech world for your whole career. Take you to a point where people are well for your whole career you've balanced it.

Pastor Newms:

[23:30] I'm not I mean it hasn't always been intact but yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[23:34] Okay I'll give you that that caveat on what I said I got that um and he's balanced set to the point where people will say things like well okay well let's talk about Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut they knew you didn't work on Sundays.

Pastor Newms:

[23:49] Yep.

Pastor Bill:

[23:50] Why doesn't he work on Sundays oh you know because he's a Christian oh. So would you don't schedule him on Sundays yeah but isn't that the guy that, listen to that kind of music and hangs out with those kind of people always seen and he talks like the rest of us and he looks like the rest of us he sounds like the rest of us he saves his all the same struggles that we do, buddy values that day off wasn't hiding that he was a Christian. Very wasn't in their face shoving it in their face either and then he officiated the wedding of two of his coworkers. They know they know.

Pastor Newms:

[24:37] Even my current, you know I said I stated you someone sent me an email and I was like sorry I didn't see that till Monday morning because I don't check anything on Sundays because to me Sundays are my Sabbath, and that's the day I chose not everyone said with his Sunday of course but that's my Sabbath so I don't work, and it's also one of those things where it's like okay I, handle certain things differently you know I make sure to. Do certain things I don't partake in certain aspects yeah I. Like you mentioned values are values what my what my beliefs are are my beliefs so there are certain things that I view. As important that others don't you know there's the aspects of you know. How I talk how I act how I look often those types of things people are like well you don't look I had someone tell me you don't look like you'd be the pastor or church and I was like well my church isn't trying to reach the same type of people, that you are the people that I tend to reach out to our people who for me I still look very much different than those people. You know that's something that's always kind of humorous to me is when. You know there's the situation of people are like well you don't look you don't sound or look different than the world, well I don't look or sound different than the people that are around you I look and sound very different from the people that I'm ministering to, and I am separated from them in different ways back when I was more heavy in like the Pizza Hut world and situations like that there were times of. You know people would ask me questions and I'm like look this is this is what's going on you know this is why or this is what and you know things like that. And it is different.

Pastor Bill:

[27:23] All right so does anybody in chat have anything they want to add to this conversation or. Because that's pretty much the bulk of what we have for tonight like I said we're going to try something a little different so now we will do the getting to know the pastor's and all that stuff so. Yeah we good.

Pastor Newms:

[27:51] Yeah they won't have anything else to add I just think I think it's important so we actually had this conversation yesterday, in our family bible study we're studying Daniel which is you know very end times when she get to the second half of it, and I was talking about talking to people about the. One of the family members brought up how. Friendship evangelism without using that term because they were just explaining what they were trying to do is so important and it was it was an interesting. Thing to see in conversation to have about you know it's kind of like oh well you know well that is, what we're talking about you know because it is so important when you look at it from a standpoint of needing. To have that relationship before you can just. Speak into people's lives because so often especially in today's society we have a bunch of people who understand. Or feel like they understand which is a better way of saying that Christianity they think they know everything about Christianity because they've got, an uncle or a cousin or a family member or someone that has spoken into their lives through Christianity, and it's it's very much like okay, yep but have you thought about this or but have you thought about because the relationship is what is most important about Christianity so we take that out of our ministry, it's a problem when we when we want to act like the Christianity. Isn't a relationship that's when we enter the area of it being a set of rules which is not the Christianity that you should be following Christianity is not a set of.

Pastor Bill:

[30:06] Christian you that Christ set up. If it was a set of rules he could have very easily just said hey I'm the Messiah I'm going to take over the Sanhedrin now here's what we're going to do and if kid you know if you get off of this track then you're wrong he could have easily done that but that's not what he did he gathered, small group of people around him and built a relationship and then he said hey now you guys go out and all the world and create relationships. I use that word disciple we talked about disciple isn't just hey here's the truth. Go for it no disciple is building a relationship and then being there as they walk forward in. What they understand to be the gospel and so yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[30:57] I think that's what's so important so often.

Pastor Bill:

[31:02] Deed.

Pastor Newms:

[31:04] Is that aspect.

Pastor Bill:

[31:08] All right well this podcast comes out every week on Wednesdays except we may or may not have an episode next week you'll have to tune in to find out this Wednesday, this episode will come out but you've probably already know that because you're probably listening to it unless you're watching us live, so yeah we record this this podcast on Sunday nights, around 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time if you want to join us on Twitch, Facebook, or YouTube and you can catch us live and participate via chat in the conversation and be a, of what we talked about and contribute any ideas that you have, questions that you have things that you want to say about the topic that you think maybe we're not covering if you would like, to be a guest on the show maybe I don't know I've been seeing a few people on Tik-Tok that are in the same vein of, kind of the same way that we think, that I have thought about reaching out to just be a one-time guest or didn't know there was that one guy that I was like you know I want this guy to join us and he won't respond to any of my messages and so. I guess that's not gonna happen and then yeah so there's that but you can go to our website ekk.house and you can find out which twitch we are on live and you can find out which Facebook and which YouTube channel to go to to to participate live, and hopefully we will see you in the chat one of these Sundays be looking out for when we're going to be doing our Halloween hang out where we're going to talk about, Halloween and how old's that works and what too. Do with Halloween because a lot of users don't even know what what are we what are we supposed to do with this. Event and so we'll talk about those things possibly sometime this week, and then you can come and watch Newms and I play games if we play games and and broadcast that live on Newms has twitch which you can find on ekk.house, which twitch Okay well I love you guys have a great week

Pastor Newms:

Stay safe out there.

Pastor Bill:

And until next time.

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Pastor Bill:

[0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 49, of The Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. I'm Pastor Bill and I am here with Pastor Newms all the way from the state of Tennessee. I'm in Texas, Tennessee per the usual as those are the places we live and we are pastors of The Ekklesian House. The Ekklesian House is a well now a completely online church. We used to meet face-to-face in spare rooms at restaurants and now we meet completely online. So here we are. Groggy he's talking on Twitch about something about a dungeon that he did probably in New World.

Pastor Newms:

[0:49] Yeah he probably, he probably just did the New World dungeon and he probably didn't pick up all the bones so the dog sent him back.

Pastor Bill:

[0:56] Oh Barkamedies bones - yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[0:59] Cause Barkamedies is messed up. I did not say My Little Groggy. From now on from now on I'm going to call him My Little Groggy, so congratulations Groggy. You can blame you can blame Zaydiee for that because you are from now on My Little Groggy so Pastor Bill you know I will, and because he knows I'll do it too he's just got to pray that I forget because that's the only way it's going away so you know I love you.

Pastor Bill:

[1:32] I thought you said we'd do this after we did Get To Know The Pastors.

Pastor Newms:

[1:34] You said before or.

Pastor Bill:

[1:36] Okay I gave your choice but I thought you had said that you had chosen after. okay, okay so tonight we are talking about exegesis and if you just felt inferior at the Greek word exegesis. Congratulations this is the one and only time you're probably ever going to hear me say this, "you're wrong." If that word made you feel inadequate then you're wrong, and that's what we're talking about exegesis tonight. Not eisegesis, exegesis well well we'll probably talk about eisegesis as well. We'll definitely talk about exegesis, the main focus is exegesis not exigenesis, no that's not how you say it - unless you're like trying to just combine Exodus and Genesis all into one statement and then you can say exigenesis I guess. But it won't mean the same thing as what we're talking about tonight so yeah so stick around, um we're going to get a lot out of tonight and everyone should feel less inadequate and more empowered, when we when we end here can you spell that or is it a sit sit in sending name sits and, I have no idea what Biggs is trying to say on Twitch. He said can you spell that or is it a.

Pastor Newms:

[3:11] Mrs. Biggs, or Mama - whichever you want to go by can you please help your husband and what he's trying to say to us because we're confused.

Pastor Bill:

[3:18] Are you want me to spell exegesis because it's e-x-e-g-e-s-i-s. Exegesis is a noun and you could say.

Pastor Newms:

[3:34] That was mean of me to call him out like that.

Pastor Bill:

[3:35] Yeah it was. You're awful.

Pastor Newms:

[3:38] Then we wonder why he's mean to me and wonder where I get.

Pastor Bill:

[3:42] Here we go here's the sentence that I found online, "Politicians accustomed to speaking in 22 second sound bites suddenly began regaling empty galleries with windy tendentious exegeses of the founding fathers thoughts on the role of the senate in confirming judges," also you could say As an exegesis, though, it's nicely done, and Kennedy traces Sontag's main themes deftly along tortuous paths through both essays and fiction. Both of those sentences can be found at Miriam-Webster.com/dictionary/exegesis hey I'm not the one that asked for it in a sentence.

Pastor Newms:

[4:26] No I know but I'm just saying like I understand what the word means and even I feel stupid or having heard those sentences.

Pastor Bill:

[4:34] Right, having hearing it in a sentence does not help. Which is part of the problem with the word and and one of the reasons why it's important for us to talk about it. Phoenix on Twitch says, "yeah I'm gonna need that dumbed down," we're not going to dumb it down for you what we're going to do is we're going to exegesis - exegesis so that you understand it. And then at the end of the night you'll understand how you can use the word exegesis in reference to the word exegesis and you'll walk away feeling like you're accomplished. Okay, so now it's time for Get To Know The Pastors, and then Pastor Newms wants to humiliate me... or make me lonely or jealous or something. I can't remember what he said, make me mad. What did you say you wanted to make me?

Pastor Newms:

Jealous.

Pastor Bill:

Jealous, he wants to make me jealous okay so here we go here's the card. It says, "Brag to me about the best things going on in the past 30 days." So I guess you can go ahead and make me jealous right now because the card is all in for it.

Pastor Newms:

[5:49] I guess so, wow.

Pastor Bill:

[5:51] The card was like yeah let's do it.

Pastor Newms:

[5:53] The couch the card straight fronted you out like so I'm just going to drink my sneak here.

Pastor Bill:

[6:00] Nice.

Pastor Newms:

[6:05] And then Biggs asked you a question I'm not sure if you heard it.

Pastor Bill:

[6:09] Oh, did he? Where?

Pastor Newms:

[6:18] The question does he not do you not hear that you don't hear anything.

Pastor Bill:

[6:25] Does he not hear that? Am I supposed to be hearing something? Hear what? Here the Tardis noise now I Doctor Who music from the tenure of David Tennant oh nice you got a TARDIS, cool.

Pastor Newms:

[7:03] The Tardis noise.

Pastor Bill:

[7:04] Can you hold the doors up to the camera so I can see which one it's modeled after, yeah it is it's David Tennant's Tardis it's a Tenth Doctors TARDIS.

Pastor Newms:

[7:14] So it's actually an ornament to put on a Christmas tree, Biggs collects ornaments didn't know was and get that flashy sorry for anyone out there I was not aware that it flashed I had not actually paid that close of attention and so Biggs, brought it he collects ornaments and things like ornaments for trees and, he he showed me and I said lights up and it makes the noise like it's coming in and I'm like.

Pastor Bill:

[7:51] The vworp the vworp noise.

Pastor Newms:

[7:53] The noise because the parking brake is on the warning because the brake is activated yeah so.

Pastor Bill:

[8:03] It says he's not giving you that oh look at that box that's nice.

Pastor Newms:

[8:10] So that so I he collects Hallmark, ornaments he's got Biggs has two Christmas trees actually at his house he's got a Christmas tree for most of his ornaments and he's got his Christmas tree best specificity, specificity specificity specifically that's the word we're looking for for Star Wars ornaments, and so he saw this one and was like.

Pastor Bill:

[8:42] Yeah this is interesting because the Tardis is self that Tardis is modeled after the Tenth Doctors Tardis right but if you look at the Box the Doctor Who logo on the box.

Pastor Newms:

[8:55] Is the old logo.

Pastor Bill:

[8:55] That's from Doctor 12 that's from the 12th doctors, tenure so that ornament came out during the 12th doctor but they didn't use it to have doctors Tardis they use the Tenth Doctors TARDIS.

Pastor Newms:

[9:08] Isn't that isn't the Tenth Doctors Tardis this symbol not blue I thought it was white.

Pastor Bill:

[9:16] Well it it changes varies but you know it you know whether or not it's 11:00 or on because on the other door there's a white symbol that says Saint John's hospital, and there's no Saint John's hospital there so it's is pre 11.

Pastor Newms:

[9:36] To be clear Zaydiee I only commandeered your Halloween bear because your daughter was upset and brought her in here, and then left her so I left her up for Halloween that is the only reason Halloween berries in here I did not steal Halloween bear, the Tardis is going I think right in front of my dragon its mouth that dragons math I think that's where that's going to live.

Pastor Bill:

[10:06] So for those of you watching live, you can't really see my knick knacks.

Pastor Newms:

[10:12] You can see some of them I can see your Tardis that was a night light or something.

Pastor Bill:

[10:17] No it's just a it's a 50th Anniversary but you see see the St. Johns

Pastor Newms:

[10:24] Oh I see it should it should be that symbol that symbol is not on mine I see I see.

Pastor Bill:

[10:29] Yeah because because this is 50th Anniversary this is modeled after 11.

Pastor Newms:

[10:34] Oh okay that makes sense didn't get the rights for that one they had to use the other one.

Pastor Bill:

[10:43] Better use the yeah the older one which is there's nothing wrong with that I mean.

Pastor Newms:

[10:48] And. Okay it is that it's not as flashy as my thing was.

Pastor Bill:

[11:00] No it sounds fun.

Pastor Newms:

[11:01] For RC for our seizure friends.

Pastor Bill:

[11:03] So I'm a I'm a pretty big fan of Doctor Who and then I got a doctor who bobblehead up here Doctor Who bobble TARDIS.

Pastor Newms:

[11:05] You are you are and that's why when Biggs showed me he goes you should show Bill and I said not till Sunday night.

Pastor Bill:

[11:12] Not till Sunday night and I can get him get him all kinds of jealous those on camera.

Pastor Newms:

[11:19] Yeah my thing was very flashy and I am sorry for anyone that might have harmed their for a moment I did not I had only pressed it when it was sitting somewhere, not like, holding it so I did not realize it was flashy or else I would not have handled that and then,

Biggs also mentioned this year form the Hallmark his doctor is actually an ornament also which is why.

Pastor Bill:

[11:49] Which one does he consider his darker.

Pastor Newms:

[11:51] Which is why the symbol is the old symbol is because it goes with his doctor his doctor, his name just jumped out of my head but he's very important don't remember but the scarf the nose the scarf and the nose, for for is Biggs's first.

Pastor Bill:

[12:17] Colin Baker not Colin Baker I'm so sorry Biggs I did not mean to say four was Colin Baker.

Pastor Newms:

[12:22] Wrong even even I know that was wrong.

Pastor Bill:

[12:26] That's not tell was a slip of the tongue I'm so sorry yes the curator well sort of the curator. I'm really hoping that with the return of RTD will get it at least an episode of David Tennant, um we do know that the doctor in the future is going to go back and and regenerate into, a few old faces you know now would be a perfect time to be like we told you that we were going to do it when they have the 50th anniversary and here it is and there's not going to be as much running because David Tennant is really old now but.

Pastor Newms:

[13:13] I am I was watching some clip and forgot how much I loved Eccleston to be honest.

Pastor Bill:

[13:19] Eccleston was fantastic he really was.

Pastor Newms:

[13:21] I was watching something I don't remember what but, the something he did in the clip that I saw I was like why did people not like him like he was so good, but okay so what is your item that is the most thing I don't even know what the question was because I was just trying.

Pastor Bill:

[13:44] Yeah let's let's let's reread the question so we make sure that I say unto on brand brag to me about the best things going on in the past 30 days.

Pastor Newms:

[13:53] No I can answer this for you I can answer this for you on your behalf.

Pastor Bill:

[13:57] Yeah what do you think it is.

Pastor Newms:

[13:59] I'm going to think it's everything to do with all of your Halloween decorations and how much you love decorating for Halloween and Halloween themed things.

Pastor Bill:

[14:05] You know the only thing that popped into my mind wasn't that it was getting to go on that date with Roxanne last Saturday night that's the thing that popped into my brain.

Pastor Newms:

[14:14] Mmm see that was yeah I thought about that and I was like but that's Halloween-themed.

Pastor Bill:

[14:21] It was Halloween themed but I really just I really the thing that stands out to me is it was the being able to go and spend the time with that brains and and it was great yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[14:32] She said it she's like it better be.

Pastor Bill:

[14:36] Yeah the date night was amazing it was really good.

Pastor Newms:

[14:39] Where is I don't like leaving the house so.

Pastor Bill:

[14:40] Got me it's got me scrolling for events on Facebook and Groupon looking for what are we going to do what's our next date night going to be because it was really good I really enjoyed it so.

Pastor Newms:

[14:51] See now that you say that I'm going to get suckered into having to have a date night and I.

Pastor Bill:

[14:55] I know I'm you know sorry about you.

Pastor Newms:

[15:00] I try really hard not to have those.

Pastor Bill:

[15:04] Everybody knows what that means right sorry about you that means I'm not really sorry you had that coming.

Pastor Newms:

[15:11] Yeah,

and I do I don't leave the house enough I actually had a daddy-daughter day because the other the two adults were out of the house today doing something and so I was like, girls let's go let's go out to eat because I don't want to cook and let's go you know hang out so we went to a couple stores and hung out, so it was fun.

Pastor Bill:

[15:40] Hey your wife is right there with you though she says it's two people he out there.

Pastor Newms:

[15:46] Technically the whole thing is recorded and no no one's going to give that to anybody.

Pastor Bill:

[15:51] And some recordings amen.

Pastor Newms:

[15:53] I know so like we went out we went out for it wasn't a trick or treat it was a fall festival I was wrong on that billion when I was telling you about it but, there were games and dunker booths and it was all it was put on by the it's the church that Zoey that rain goes to school at.

Pastor Bill:

[16:13] Um I was wondering if it was if it was bigs and glorious church or not but I guess it was.

Pastor Newms:

[16:20] They actually don't their Pastor said they don't feel comfortable doing there's this year because of everything going on they would prefer to be.

Pastor Bill:

[16:27] Okay with covid is that weird.

Pastor Newms:

[16:32] Yeah they prefer to be safe and not have thousands of people flock to their campus and walk around.

Pastor Bill:

[16:39] It's not what happens when they have Services though, people flocked to the campus and walk around.

Pastor Newms:

[16:46] I can't answer this.

Pastor Bill:

[16:51] I'm not I'm not trying to point poke holes I'm just I'm asking if that was part of the explanation they gave like that's different because we're you know we're off we're allowing people to worship God versus.

Pastor Newms:

[17:04] I don't remember, my parents told me but let's be honest I am not the best at paying attention all the time so I don't, that was what I gleamed this new soap is so good so one of the places we found, well we would achieve outlay and then there's this soap place that's new,

next to oh that's why so for church they have you know a couple thousand people for their Trunk-or-Treat it's so big they typically have 20 thousand people show up so that would be the.

Pastor Bill:

[17:39] And see when you're being responsible as an event organizer that's something you have to think about does the mat the shear massive amounts of people yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[17:55] And that was that was definitely and I did not like you Bat-Brains I did not like the pictures I saw from you taking Gerg to Fright Fest.

Pastor Bill:

[18:07] First.

Pastor Newms:

[18:08] Because he's too big,

and that upset me greatly.

Pastor Bill:

[18:14] So when jurgis asked me about going to Fright Fest this year I said are you sure you want to do that because last time when we did Fright Fest you cried and he was like that was like five years ago I'm not gonna cry.

Pastor Newms:

[18:28] Be careful what you finish that statement of don't embarrass your 15 year old is that if that's going to go any farther than that,

oh I assumed the store was going to go and he got scared and cried I was like don't tell people that oh.

Pastor Bill:

[18:43] No he did great I wasn't there but he did great yeah.

Pastor Newms:

[18:47] I kind of wanted information on the side if it did happen to you don't want to say it in front of people but.

Pastor Bill:

[18:55] I'll be right back you keep going I'll be.

Pastor Newms:

[18:59] I keep going okay the whole point is you're the important one and I'm the, this is why I don't even want to be on the thing, when he makes me do things like this I got to talk about myself now this is the whole thing I'm not good at y'all, I'm sure he loved it bat-brains I'm mainly joking I just like any way I can possibly to embarrass Kirk because I changed by did not change his diapers that's a lie I watched other people changes diapers, but I, and now he's too big and I don't like that and so it hurts my ageism or something to be this old, I think that's what it is as I'm there pausing therapizing myself as I sit here and, but yeah nothing I sat in silence the whole time you were gone.

Pastor Bill:

[20:00] No you didn't bet brains has it on her phone in the other room I heard you talking the whole time I just don't know what you were saying.

Pastor Newms:

[20:07] Oh

Pastor Bill:

[20:13] So what were you talking about.

Pastor Newms:

[20:14] I'll just talk about the fact of I I want the information if he did do something bad just because.

Pastor Bill:

[20:20] You just don't want in a live stream.

Pastor Newms:

[20:22] I need things to make fun of him for because of the fact of now you're making me repeat the whole time you were gone the exact thing but because.

Pastor Bill:

[20:31] No you don't have to that song.

Pastor Newms:

[20:31] I'm old ah you punk will drink it together, wait for your video to unfreeze one second when your video gets done unfreezing will take a sip together so I did not realize that my cherry sneaks were pink because I drink them out of a container, and then she put this in here and she comes in and she goes I'm sorry it's pink not red and I was like oh it is, interesting you're still.

Pastor Bill:

[20:58] So not only.

Pastor Newms:

[21:00] You're completely Frozen homie.

Pastor Bill:

[21:01] Okay well it's just my video I mean.

Pastor Newms:

[21:03] I know there you go now you're.

Pastor Bill:

[21:05] So not only did so Adeline picked out this cup for herself right this is Adam.

Pastor Newms:

[21:10] Now I'd like to see it okay you got the you got the darker one yeah no it's the same one.

Pastor Bill:

[21:16] It's got dr. pepper in it yeah so this is Adelines cups you picked this out sweet little, Adeline and then so this design this exact design except without the hole in the top I also got a drink, thing you know like the big jugs that have the little.

Pastor Newms:

[21:40] With the thing out of the mouth with the thing out of the mouth.

Pastor Bill:

[21:42] Will spout out of mouth yeah and it's um it's 8 quarts and glass and heavy and it's, black cherry Kool-Aid in it right now because we love but I will black cherry Kool-Aid and so it's like it looks the color of blood, inside this giant skull sitting on the counter and then bat brains got this little silicone, ice tray that's little brains and so I got popped all these brain ice in the top of it when I was making Kool-Aid and so it was just like this blood-filled skull with these little ice, brains floating around on the top of it and I was like man this is like the coolest October ever.

Pastor Newms:

[22:25] So I've got the same one but mine is completely black it's got the flat black paint on the outside.

Pastor Bill:

[22:32] Yeah I know mine looks exactly like this cup only bigger and no hole and then it's got the spout out of the mouth.

Pastor Newms:

[22:38] Women has no hole in the top how do you fill it.

Pastor Bill:

[22:41] This has a straw hole in the top you unscrew the.

Pastor Newms:

[22:44] Straw hole okay okay I was sure if you got how if it has no hole how you put anything in it for a.

Pastor Bill:

[22:49] No I'm talking about the metal lid doesn't have a hole in it.

Pastor Newms:

[22:52] Okay yes that's exactly like mine except mines painted the same color as the metal lid so.

Pastor Bill:

[22:57] - okay and now would you believe it that we actually didn't go over our warm up time with all of that we're still actually one minute I have one minute of warmup time still to go.

Pastor Newms:

[23:10] Yeah I almost feel we should shorten our warm up time though to be honest I've started to think about that we keep come we keep bumping into the back side.

Pastor Bill:

[23:19] It's true we have started bumping in the back side the more comfortable that you get with opening your mouth and sharing.

Pastor Newms:

[23:25] I do not know what you mean.

Pastor Bill:

[23:27] We end up spending more time with the meat of the program and yeah we can we can we can cut the warm time down some.

Pastor Newms:

[23:37] I was just thinking about it cuz I'm having trouble shutting up at the end.

Pastor Bill:

[23:42] So exegesis I would like you Pastor newms to give us tell us your understanding of the term exegesis.

Pastor Newms:

[23:55] My understanding of the term Exorcist exegesis so, exegesis to me is.

Pastor Bill:

[24:10] The end move ahead.

Pastor Newms:

[24:16] Just oh Zaydiee mmkay I'll handle that later so. It's about the breakdown of, scripture so we have wow wow I really hope I can get a snap of this I really hope I can get a snap of this real quick here oh I can oh I know come on come on come on.

Pastor Bill:

[24:42] Is my screen Frozen in a funny way.

Pastor Newms:

[24:45] Oh it's so good it's so good I want it so bad no not freeform no no no I lost it.

Pastor Bill:

[24:53] He lost it.

Pastor Newms:

[24:53] I lost it it's fine I'll find it on Twitch.

Pastor Bill:

[24:58] Exegesis.

Pastor Newms:

[24:59] It was so good exegesis.

Pastor Bill:

[25:03] Not exegesis.

Pastor Newms:

[25:04] Let it again, so to me it's about that critical explanation of the Bible the breaking down of. The biblical text to what it actually means so so often you know we take the text at, face value sometimes that is perfect, and great sometimes you need a little bit of extra break down and study of around the text and into the Greek and the Hebrew or, as for studying currently as a family bible study we're studying Daniel not the Greek or the Hebrew but the not are Aramaic,

Pastor Bill:

Chaldean.

Pastor Newms:

Thank you the Chaldean language that it's written in and sometimes you got to break down that and look at that, and you know one of the times that this came up for me and we were talking about this earlier, is in looking at Daniel and Revelation there's the Beast and the Beast has ten horns and you're like cool a beast with ten horns like Dad be really scary to see and then you compare the, the true like not like the depths of what that Beast with ten horns in Revelation it's a beast with ten horns it sounds just as cool as you would think this Beast has ten horns cool you look at Daniel in the word used is actually a brass instrument, it's then you stop and you go how.

Pastor Bill:

[26:48] So it's not like it's not horns you know like it's not like goat horns it's like instruments.

Pastor Newms:

[26:50] It's not horns its horns it's the court coordinate coordinate I don't know music but looked like a trumpet to me but I knew if I said that that would be really bad.

Pastor Bill:

[27:03] I mean you're not close you're not too far off trumpet is a generally used term.

Pastor Newms:

[27:10] But no but this that word horn specifically means this particular specific brass instrument and, so it was interesting because then I started thinking about it and and that's really interesting to look at these two these two authors and they both were given visions and,

took it differently and decided to use different words now that being said it's still a beast it's got 10 horns, what the.

Pastor Bill:

[27:40] If you think about their cultures the culture that Daniel came from while still being identified as Jewish or Israeli and in origin their idea of horn, wasn't the shofar, a Ram's Horn cut off that you then blow into that wasn't their idea of horn their idea was brass instrument but by the time John comes around the idea of horn is a Ram's Horn cut off that you then blow into.

Pastor Newms:

[28:10] So

Pastor Bill:

[28:11] And so for John that is the right word because it's a musical instrument.

Pastor Newms:

[28:16] And that's the weird thing is because then when you read an animal horn you're like okay an animal horn strong, it's an animal horn meaning an animal horn, but it very well could be like you're saying an animal horn the same as in the so because that actually made me stumble like this past weekend because I'm like okay this makes me a little bit because, like a horn and a horn is a horn like they're both horns, you would expect a serpent or a monster or whatever you know a beast to have with this isn't the serpent that's a different entity that's not get into that right now though but that's the whole point of this you know, even looking at the Strong's and it says a animal horn even until you said that just you said that just now, I was thinking okay horn and Horn as opposed to Horn and Horn which are is a very interesting, thought process that I missed which is the purpose of exegesis J the word you say in a minute.

Pastor Bill:

[29:23] Jesus.

Pastor Newms:

[29:24] Because it's that studying for the for biblical purposes it's that studying of the Situation's around a situation not just what's written for the situation, and I think it's very important as a culture and often times, there are speakers or teachers or even us in our everyday study IE me earlier this week are just, we miss certain aspects that would enrich the understanding so much and as groggy said making sure we're keeping the words in the context of the the time and the place and the Situation's around it.

Pastor Bill:

[30:06] All right so what, is you you read in Daniel or you studied you know your guys are staying in Daniel and you got the exegesis of the word horn brass instrument right, and then you went forward to Revelations and read the word horn, and you got the eisegesis of the word, you applied your understanding of the word to that scripture and said well this is what he means because this is what I understand a horn to be.

Pastor Newms:

[30:45] Well kind of.

Pastor Bill:

[30:46] But then when you took a step back and took it, what I just said to you it became an exegesis where you went oh there could be more meaning there, then what I understood it to be because I applied eisegesis I had an understanding already of what that meant based off of my, that's eisegesis when you read scripture and you go oh I already know what that's talking about, I already know what that is that's eisegesis what are you grinning about over there.

Pastor Newms:

[31:26] Tina said it to me she captured a picture of what it looks like on our TV and it is almost as glorious as it would have looked like here.

Pastor Bill:

[31:36] Okay as soon would you talking about because I didn't see it.

Pastor Newms:

[31:39] I know I know I know I'm sorry completely derailing, but no and that's the thing like I looked at Strong's and it said you know I'm trying to find the exact at the moment because I, don't over here huh.

Pastor Bill:

[31:59] So it's not that you didn't try to exegesis you did you try.

Pastor Newms:

[32:04] Yeah because it says the primary word the hair of the head or a horn literal or figurative and like okay that means animal horn so I took Strong's meaning, and and went that route but on the same token.

Pastor Bill:

[32:33] So it's big said so now the Beast has musical instruments on his head like what, and not necessarily on his head because you're still talking about prophecy so in this specific instance when you say on his head you could just be talking about will this is the Public Image,

this is the image that there that the world sees that the world understands of them this is what everyone's common understanding of,

the Beast is that's what someone's head is it's it's what they lead with it's there you know we need to talk about put your best foot forward the head in, in veiled talk when you're talking about prophecy when you're looking at prophecies in the scripture those are usually attributed to. What people know them for what they are seen for so when we say ten horns, and we think musical instruments will this is what they're known for their known for, you know musical instruments or they're known for the other understanding of the word horn like you going with before like an animal horn that would be more of the known for aggression known for war known for fighting, and then they're given ten crowns which then you know, we attribute to you know leadership or kingdoms or they're you know they're given rulership so. Bat Brains says if something is on you it's your responsibility like so, asking if worth it says there's 10 horns on its head does that mean you know it's the horns are its responsibilities and that's that's likely as well and honestly we don't know. So this is just a picture of me sipping my doctor Pepper what's so funny.

Pastor Newms:

[34:37] I don't know I mean it's a completely normal face and all very short forms and ideas.

Pastor Bill:

[34:48] I don't know that's great, I'm gonna make it my new profile picture.

Pastor Newms:

[34:52] I'm going to I'm going to fix it to where it's just zoomed in on you sucking on the straw like that in a minute when I can get to Twitch and actually clip it which I might be contacting groggy afterwards because I have no idea how to actually do that but I know it's a thing, so Groggy look for a phone call possibly because I don't know how to.

Pastor Bill:

[35:09] Mmm all right so exegesis all right so when we go to a scripture we go to scriptures mr. Hardy says wait what groggy what do you wait what in about bro.

Pastor Newms:

[35:21] The fact that I don't know how to make Clips probably hmm I said I.

Pastor Bill:

[35:26] He says he missed something apparently I made a funny face and Newms wants to immortalize it.

Pastor Newms:

[35:33] Yes I do because he's just talking away but all you see is, the whole time and it's great but I don't how to make clips from a video so I'll be contacting you about that later but that's why I think that the exit, the Deep study I'm not I can't say the word so we're calling a deep study whenever I say but I'm using the word that's denial of the thing, so

Pastor Bill:

[36:01] He hates that. He asked his you have Nvidia he hates Nvidia the Nvidia.

Pastor Newms:

[36:07] I hate the Nvidia recording I love I love Nvidia I just hate the recording side of it.

Pastor Bill:

[36:17] Okay so the word exegesis let's try to stay on topic here is a Greek word, and it is just sort of a Greek word we're not speaking in English transliteration exegesis is a Greek word that means to lead. And it's the idea of putting a like a leash or a lead on like a horse's neck or a donkey's neck and and leading it out, of a barn or out of the pasture or out of a fence in place this is the idea that you get so basically what you're doing is you're taking the statement and you're drawing out, what was intended so one of the examples that I read online when I was you know studying and preparing and making sure that I wasn't just going to be you know a talking head that wasn't saying anything of substance, one of the examples was a woman who gets a letter from her fiance that is off at War, and she's reading this love letter and she's doing everything she can to go over the words, patience and and attentiveness to draw out what her fiance meant by every state, and this is exegesis when we read the scriptures approaching the scripture from an exigent exegesis. See this is the problem is when you try to conjugate Greek words I had the conjugations pulled up here somewhere, exegetical when you yeah when you read the scriptures in an etch exegetical form, you are taking the scripture and trying to understand what the author wanted to communicate,

so not necessarily the face value of the words that they used but considering, the culture they come from what the message overall message of the, complete text is what has influenced up to that point that would cause them to say it that way what historical things went on what changes to language happened leading up to that, what changes in language happened after that that might change the way that you understand the words that are being used these are all exegetical in nature.

Pastor Newms:

[39:07] Things that lots of pastors and I would love to say all but I have to say lots or most have done for years you know.

Pastor Bill:

[39:19] But then you have other pastors that are are highly, rooted in eisegesis they read scripture and they're only looking for their confirmation bias or they chop a scripture in half because, the 1/2 they know means something different than what they're trying to teach but the other half doesn't, now sometimes I'll use a portion of scripture for like our little scripture bumps but only because of space you know like, I only have so much space on an artboard you know that I'm working with to make art and so I'll say like, 2 Timothy 3:15 a because I only use the first little section of it and the art but not because I'm trying to, discount the rest of the scripture when I'm using an art it's because I'm trying to highlight that, of the scripture and I intend the viewer of that art to then go look up that scripture, and do the exegetical work themselves how many times I said exegetical at this.

Pastor Newms:

[40:25] A couple.

Pastor Bill:

[40:30] You could also say exegete I think that's the verb of exegesis exegete.

Pastor Newms:

[40:36] I would like to exegete some people who just use ice to Genesis.

Pastor Bill:

[40:39] ISO Genesis.

Pastor Newms:

[40:42] I said isogenic whatever I can't do it man.

Pastor Bill:

[40:44] I said Jesus.

Pastor Newms:

[40:46] I'm going to exegete some people who.

Pastor Bill:

[40:51] All right so I just want to right quick one of the ways that you can tell someone is reading something, according to eisegesis instead of exegetical exit exegesis, so you'll hear this phrase or you'll hear this concept and they'll say but no one believed no one taught that until-- You hear that phrase a lot no one taught that idea of scripture until blah. You're applying an eisegesis you're saying I believe that scripture means something else and I am a I am defending my eisegesis, instead of allowing the scripture itself to stand exegetical, so bad Burns says y'all have gone too far Biggs is saying it's time for the 30 second buffer why are they saying why are they doing that.

Pastor Newms:

[42:01] Because I'm it's me it's my fault it's I'm bending the word too much and threatening to eat people.

Pastor Bill:

[42:12] Who you going to eat oh yeah the exegesis is the eisegesis sisters I said geezers.

Pastor Newms:

[42:16] Now I will say there are situations where I think a combination of both can, where people have used confirmation bias for so many years, that you might hear the phrase this was taught this way for and now we look at it like this.

Pastor Bill:

[42:41] What is the and now part that makes it exegetical you know to me.

Pastor Newms:

[42:51] Yeah I think that's just a I think again we made it 49 minutes again I think that's one of the failings of the English language is just that whole where do you draw that line.

Pastor Bill:

[43:06] But there's certain concepts of certain theological beliefs that I hold to be true, because I've gone in and I've done the study that meets the the framework of exegesis and I've gone okay well it means this because, that's from the whole framework that's what I believe the author was trying to communicate and then I've had people trying to refute, belief of Mind by saying things like oh well that was that was Emperor Constantine that came up with that that that wasn't meant by the author and I'm like, except when I look at the whole framework I'm pretty sure Constantine was onto something.

Pastor Newms:

[43:50] Hmm okay I see what you're saying now and yeah definitely there are times that, especially with some of the things that I personally believe you get people that are saying like oh well that's a new thought process well I understand that it's a new thought process.

Pastor Bill:

[44:10] That's how Revelation works and how the revealing of the Lord works is through new thought process the Bible itself even says oh those things won't be understand until closer to the end, well if you're going to Discount every understanding as we get closer to the end then you're literally, rejecting the you know what I mean like, even the Book of Daniel and I heard the Thundering saved say something but the voice told me not to write them down and other things that said and I was to seal those things not to be read until the end of time.

Pastor Newms:

[44:49] Which which really makes those those are the parts that those particular Parts make me just so jealous, because I love knowledge and I love like finding things out and it's one of those things where like there are certain things about, the world and Christianity in life and even down to how atoms work and how things you know how God designed certain things to operate that, that we don't understand and can't you know you have certain things in the science scientific Community that's like we're never going to understand, we don't know we're going to keep trying we're going to keep breaking it down and they break it down and get to another level and they're like okay we get that, but we found something else yeah and there's those kind of aspects and it's like but I want to know and so then with just knowing, that Daniel had to walk around it would drive me insane knowing there were things I just couldn't say like hey here's a secret but, but then why'd you show me why did you show me I needed you to understand what you were going to see next so you needed to see that but you can't say it.

Pastor Bill:

[46:02] Or or they were stated and it had nothing to do with you that they were being sated you just happen to be within earshot, that had nothing to do with you that well that was something completely different that we were working on.

Pastor Newms:

[46:19] That angel was told to keep his mouth shut and didn't so sorry.

Pastor Bill:

[46:24] You have to live with the responsibility of that.

Pastor Newms:

[46:26] Yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[46:27] But yeah the science thing that's that that always gets me um like Adams like you said like there was a time where we thought atoms were the smallest thing ever oh you can't get any smaller than atoms, cool cool and then we discovered protons electrons and neutrons well we discovered protons and neutrons, and we're like okay cool we but something's missing if there's just protons and electrons will say okay now we know there's protons neutrons and electrons okay great there's nothing else, and then we discovered quarks and we were like quartz what's the Cork and they were like sound waves, whoa whoa whoa whoa get back that up again electrons and protons and neutrons are made of sound waves.

Pastor Newms:

[47:17] Yes how wow.

Pastor Bill:

[47:20] How we don't know wait.

Pastor Newms:

[47:21] We don't know where to keep looking.

Pastor Bill:

[47:24] What is the sound what is it we don't know what causes the sound we don't know okay so everything's made of sound and that sound coalesces together to create items, and even light is then made of those items so light is actually made of sound.

Pastor Newms:

[47:44] Mmm, and this is one of those things I'm going to say that has no basis in anything and I probably shouldn't what I'm going to,

cuz it makes a funny joke either way but it's almost like everything was spoken into existence or something just saying.

Pastor Bill:

[48:06] You believe even if you believe in the Big Bang which honestly all Christians do we believe everything happened at one time,

now we believe the cause of the Big Bang was something different than what secular scientists attribute to the Big Bang right secular scientists attribute to there was, and we believe the same thing we believe God spoke and bang it happened and the Big Bang Theory was originally written by a believer, a devout believer in Christ who was a Catholic priest and a scientist in his spare time and he came up with the Big Bang Theory so it's even a Christian created science. You know we kind of all believe in the same area you know what I mean like interesting, but I.

Pastor Newms:

[49:12] It is.

Pastor Bill:

[49:15] Headcanon now we're talking about you know when nerd circles to talk about head canon like I want to believe it happened this way so I'm going to believe it happened that way like, in that episode of Doctor Who where number 10 they take a sample of DNA and it creates a daughter of the doctor's daughter who then the actor playing the doctor went on and married the actress playing the doctor's daughter and now.

Pastor Newms:

[49:38] Who was who was the doctor's daughter.

Pastor Bill:

[49:41] In real life the daughter of another actor who played the doctor so the doctor married the doctor's daughter's doctor daughter.

Pastor Newms:

[49:48] Whose daughter was it whose daughter was it.

Pastor Bill:

[49:53] Um five.

Pastor Newms:

[49:57] I don't remember I was just asking.

Pastor Bill:

[49:59] Or six I can't remember the name of the top of my head anyway what were we talking about oh yeah head can, at the end of the episode she gets in a rocket and she blasts off into space and head kit and I want to believe she's out there running Adventures, Steven Moffat wants to believe she immediately ran into a moon and died and that's why we hate Steven Moffat because he's a horrible writer with no imagination, um so head canon I head canon that quarks are The Echoes of God's voice from creation, that all of all matter all reality is just God's voice echoing when he spoke in creating everything. And that's my what I want to believe about what corpse are now they're they're more likely, the reverberations of exotic matter as it passes between layers of different dimensional space that then causes those, Echoes that then combined to make electrons, that can't be seen until they're moving and courts can only be heard it's more likely that exotic matter scraping, on those layers as it passes between the layers in the layer Dimensions if you want a scientific explanation Works probably are, and I understand that like I understand that knowledge had Wise from the science that I know and the things that I've read in the things that scientists have said, I get that. But I want to believe is the echo of God's voice and big says we're down a rabbit hole but honestly we're not what we're doing, is where giving example, of doing an exegetical analysis of something and this is what you do,

you get deeper and you get deeper and you get deeper and you go oh well this says this let's consider that well this is this let's consider that this says this let's consider that and you put it all together, to get a broader view of what it is, and so that's what you do that this this is exegesis and and it feels like a rabbit hole in this instance because we didn't specifically say, we're going to do an exegesis on you know this topic but we naturally followed that exegetical pathway. Which yes to acknowledge what Biggs and brought up on Twitch which I was very tickled to bring up is being Berea, being Berean Berean Manifesto being Berean like the church at Berea in Acts is, taking an exegetical viewpoint on your own Christian Life instead of, taking an eisegetical Viewpoint and just saying oh well they said it so I believe it no need to look for myself, reject that, and do the exegesis yourself look into the scripture yourself look into what it says look into what they meant look into how that plays into the whole thing that's being written there that whole section, and decide what you believe based off of the actual frame, not based off of what I say or Pastor Newms says or what some big pasture and some big fancy stage somewhere says but based off of what you've actually studied. I'm not telling you to reject pastor's on stages and I'm not telling you to reject going to church because, that's a whole different topic, and we can talk about that another time that's a whole nother topic what I'm saying is in between times that you're in church, you should be owning your walk with God, you should be studying the scriptures you should be seeking out God's face and you you should be learning what you believe, about things all the things and that's what I have to say about that.

Pastor Newms:

[54:55] And oftentimes you know using the things that you hear and are taught as springboards, you know because like there's often times where you're like oh I never thought about that, and most of the times when you then start digging into something is because you hear someone else talking about it or you run across it in your personal study both are valid there was a time in my life, where a lot of my religious study was done surely to prove other people wrong terrible motivation.

Pastor Bill:

[55:35] You learned a lot.

Pastor Newms:

[55:36] But I learned a lot you know it, at one point of my life I was known as aren't you a Baptist, and people would come into my dorm room and be like aren't you a Baptist what do you think about this and so I had studied a whole bunch just to have arguments with those people, now that's not the reason I study anymore is not to just prove people wrong it's to try to find, where the line of my belief is.

Pastor Bill:

[56:11] I had a similar I had similar experiences in The Internship.

Pastor Newms:

[56:14] I didn't say that that's where it happened.

Pastor Bill:

[56:16] You said dorm room that's the only dorm room you've ever lived in.

Pastor Newms:

[56:19] I've lived in so I'm going to dorm room I've been in.

Pastor Bill:

[56:22] Okay I'd have people coming to my dorm room and they'd say aren't you the guy that before you were saved that it added up.

Pastor Newms:

[56:30] Oh

[56:39] Yeah it has a very very much.

Pastor Bill:

[56:42] Similar similar.

Pastor Newms:

[56:43] We won't get into that here either.

Pastor Bill:

[56:45] Not tonight no Okay so, this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time anywhere that you get podcasts if you have a place that you're getting podcasts that the Breen Manifesto is not being listed let me know we'll fix that. Because we've gone to Great Lengths to make sure that we are syndicated, across everywhere that you can get podcasts because we want people to be able to get the word and to be able to get The Berean Manifesto and be able to you know move forward with their Christian walk, as we say faith hope and love for the modern Christian who's the modern Christian anybody who's a Christian right now, that's it that's that's our goal to bring faith hope and love to anyone who's a Christian right now that's the modern, also if you are listening to this podcast and you want, to join the conversation we do record this live on Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time you can catch that on our twitch Channel our YouTube channel and our Facebook Channel you can go to eight, you can go to ekk.house to check out all of our back episodes of the podcast, and to figure out which twitch Channel which Facebook and which YouTube you can catch us live and when you do catch us live you join the conversation through text chat, I'm just like we've had tonight where we've mentioned Biggs Phoenix that brains all these people are watching live Twitter Youtube we didn't have any commenters from Facebook tonight, that's honestly where we get the least amount of views anyway.

Pastor Newms:

[58:29] Well it's a dying platform but anyway.

Pastor Bill:

[58:31] It is it but it's available.

Pastor Newms:

[58:32] It's available.

Pastor Bill:

[58:34] So if you want to join us live we would love that, and we would love to have more voices joining in the conversation because more voices doesn't make us weaker more voices makes us stronger and if something is true and right than it can stand up to scrutiny, not that we're encouraging arguments but as level-headed believers who are, Believers we love each other and we're in the same boat and we're working to better each other we can have conversations about, different things and hold different viewpoints and still grow together and still move forward together, yeah so come join us we'd love to have you and that is what we have about that join us this week sometime on Pastor Newms twitch Channel, um and for gaming with pastors if we do that we can of a spur-of-the-moment thing when we do that there's no real set schedule, you can go.

Pastor Newms:

[59:33] Have at night.

Pastor Bill:

[59:34] You can go and set that channel to follow and you'll get an update when we do go live, and it's the same twitch channel that we use for when we're going live on Sunday nights with the breed Manifesto so it kind of makes it easier there for you to find it you can go to EK K dot house to find which channel that is, hit that follow button this follow right on Twitch.

Pastor Newms:

[59:54] I've no idea I think so yes.

Pastor Bill:

[59:56] Follow button and then you'll get notified when we do go live with gaming with the pastors and you can hang out with us and more of less religious more casual setting where we are, attempting to create friendship evangelism, in the twitch Community make friends and lead people to the gospel, in a trusted way where they can trust what we're saying and be a light in the darkness and, a tool that the Holy Spirit can use so that's the goal of gaming with the pastor's also it's just a whole lot of fun it's fun and takes a lot of stress out of, the rest of our lives and so anytime you can do ministry and take stress out of your life with the same time that's a good thing, so you guys have a great week stay safe, last week you said I love messing with him and so this week I got to mess with you.

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:06] It's just rude that is just rude.

Pastor Bill:

[1:01:09] Do you want to say it again do you want to get you want to say your thing again say now that I've said it.

Pastor Newms:

[1:01:13] I'm going to say I'm going to say I love you all and do whatever you.

Pastor Bill:

I thought you were going to say, "Until next time..."

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Pastor Bill:

[0:06] Welcome to season 3 episode 48 Berean Manifesto, brought to you by The Ekklesian House; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. Some people thought they were having TV issues because people are just a black screen and audio.

Pastor Newms:

[0:29] TV, I will not talk bad about a brand normally, and I won't here for in this situation is why I'm saying I'm not going to say their name I love their monitors this particular company. Love their monitors my girls have the TV way too loud in the living room and hopefully they'll hear that and then turn it down that's beside the, um the. TV we have in the living room I bought because I love the monitors from this company and so I was like okay they must put out a good TV also, right we've had the TV for about a year and it is now like. We restarted a movie like eight times today and then ended up giving up instead of watching. On it. Um because it would just stop and freeze and we've tried using a different network we've tried all kinds of stuff. Multiple times hard resets because it's an Android device you know we've tried all of it Zaydiee says she can't hear us well, but I don't understand how that is because I can hear me through my headset and across the house so that confuses me a little, um Zaydiee do you mean you can't hear one of us.

Pastor Bill:

[2:13] Which is funny because Groggy says we're too loud. The same room watching on the same device.

Pastor Newms:

[2:28] They're all sitting at the dining room table coloring I'm not sure what groggy is doing I don't know if he's coloring or just sitting there but yeah they're all over there so I'm not sure. Bill is a lot quieter that brain says you can hear him fine the lines state that bill is louder than me.

Pastor Bill:

[3:08] Okay the chat is a little live right.

Pastor Newms:

[3:12] Our house our house is an open-concept house because it's cheaper not to put walls and let's be honest that's the only reason Builders build oh. It go there I've always found it to be a rip off but that's beside the point so they are in the dining room and he is on the couch.

Pastor Bill:

[3:33] Technically they're in different rooms.

Pastor Newms:

[3:35] The couch is technically separate from the couch is the separator between the two rooms so fine they are not all in the same room.

Pastor Bill:

[3:49] Okay well tonight's episode we have titled Unveiled, but before we get into, it's time to get to know the pastor's and it doesn't look like you've pulled out your card yet Pastor Newms it's your week.

Pastor Newms:

[4:05] I know that because it was your week last week I just hadn't showed you that I'm holding mine.

Pastor Bill:

[4:10] And it's not even up this even-numbered episode sir.

Pastor Newms:

[4:12] I don't pay attention to either of those two things so.

Pastor Bill:

[4:16] You literally asked me what the episode number was earlier because you were making the folder.

Pastor Newms:

[4:20] And yet you assumed I didn't have my card.

Pastor Bill:

[4:23] I knew you didn't have your card ready because usually when it's your turn you're sitting there playing with it fidgeting.

Pastor Newms:

[4:29] I do not fidget with the card.

Pastor Bill:

[4:31] You're fidgeting with it right now.

Pastor Newms:

[4:33] To ask I don't know what you're talking about sir I don't even know what gaslighting means.

Pastor Bill:

[4:40] Gaslighting are you? You're the one who just brought that up. What does the card say. Silence, no he was rejected the first card.

Pastor Newms:

[4:57] We're not doing that it there's too much ambiguity it's not actually going to tell us anything about ourselves other than we don't like it hot I mean we already know that so okay. Oh this one's going to break your brain because you can get real upset about this one you ready.

Pastor Bill:

[5:17] Oh my goodness okay here we go.

Pastor Newms:

[5:20] Thinking back to all the great TV series finales that you have ever seen over all the years. Which show do you believe had the best final episode. So of all your fandoms choose which one ended the best now I will not answer this question, because, I hate endings so I'm not going to answer the question but I will answer which is the worst of one of my favorite television shows and that is, a show from the 90s where old show from the 90s called Dark Angel and I own both the American and a Korean copy of the entire series. And the first season ends real well goes right into the second season real well, and then we get to the end of the second season and Dark Angel, who's played by Jessica Alba, who's a genetically created person blah blah blah blah blah she runs up this ramp and starts to jump this fence into this area too, in protest and in you know to go save the people in fight against the people that are in this area and as she's crossing over the fence the season ends because they were supposed to be a third season. And so forever she's just.

Pastor Bill:

[7:12] She's just flying over.

Pastor Newms:

[7:13] In the air just Midway over a fence that has. Barbed wire wrap on it there's been Fanfictions there was a comic book written about it but I've never looked at any of them just because I was so angry that they ended it that way, and I just thought about it it's probably a good time I should try to find it online and introduce the girls to that I think they might enjoy that show it was one of the first shows me and my wife watch together because I forced her to watch them when we were still friends back in the day and I made her watch the on a laptop the DVD versions that were from Korea. So Billiam, what is your answer?

Pastor Bill:

[8:04] I have no idea.

Pastor Newms:

[8:10] Come on that's not fair.

Pastor Bill:

[8:22] Unveiled, unveiled tonight... I really like how they ended Sense8 on Netflix

Pastor Newms:

[8:36] Never seen.

Pastor Bill:

[8:38] A mind-bending psychological intimate Journey.

Pastor Newms:

[8:41] Oh that thing.

Pastor Bill:

[8:48] Not intended for those. It's NC-17 let's put it that way.

Pastor Newms:

[8:59] Okay okay, so I will say another thing that's really important right now because it's just that cool there's nothing to do with anything we're talking about but I just got took a drink and so I want to show it sneak who is my favorite, energy drink company released metal shakers and it's laser-etched, tactile nice, tastes better because it's metal instead of plastic that allows you know Nast in two days because drinking out of plastic is disgusting so anyway I just wanted to throw that out there that good on them.

Pastor Bill:

[9:49] Phoenix on Twitch says Game of Thrones was the worst ending.

Pastor Newms:

[9:57] Never finished it couldn't get past how bad it got at certain points and just never finish.

Pastor Bill:

[10:05] I wasn't happy with the way Angel ended, the series with David Boreanaz, they intentionally trigger the apocalypse to try to stop the secret society that was trying to end the world, and it's got like this horde of demons are coming and the last scene is Angels got this ax and he's running into the horde of demons, and it goes off, and it wasn't intended to be the end of the story it was just intended to be the end of the season because it was the most popular show on the network, and then they drug their feet on you know renewing everybody and so Josh Whedon went in and said hey my guys are getting offers from other shows, we need to know if we're being renewed or not and the network head thought he was giving him an ultimatum and so he just canceled the show instead of just level-headedly answering the question of whether or not the stars of the show should take the other offers they're getting or not and that was the death of that show.

Pastor Newms:

[11:20] Which I never finished that show I enjoyed it.

Pastor Bill:

[11:22] That's a good show they.

Pastor Newms:

[11:26] Another one of those 90.

Pastor Bill:

[11:28] Definitely should have replaced everyone in the writers room about halfway through the final season when they released an episode where all the characters get turned into puppets but other than that it's a great show.

Pastor Newms:

[11:43] Yeah but that the 90s was the era of like let's do really dumb like we have this gritty Sci-Fi show and it's like let's, let's do something really stupid like make a whole episode of musical make a whole episode cartoon.

Pastor Bill:

[11:57] Hey hey the musical ever.

Pastor Newms:

[12:00] Make a whole episode no no no it was terrible.

Pastor Bill:

[12:02] And test it.

Pastor Newms:

[12:03] It was terrible I don't care I don't care the episode of Buffy where there's no speaking whatsoever I know.

Pastor Bill:

[12:11] Songs in The Buffy Musical on our shared playlist. So how was your week pastor.

Pastor Newms:

[12:31] Growl at you in disgust my week was good it was very good. It was good I was fixing to preface with I was very busy so I didn't get to play games as much as I enjoy and this was the last week of my training, at work next week I am by myself so it's just been a little bit of a stressful week but good overall, but I have was not happy with lots of situations in the amount of distressing that I was able to do throughout this week.

Pastor Bill:

[13:16] And one that really got your goat the worst more than anything else that happened this week was the lack of Venom 2 leaks online.

Pastor Newms:

[13:26] Okay I wasn't going to talk about that because that's illegal.

Pastor Bill:

[13:29] You're not the one leaking it, you're just coming across them.

Pastor Newms:

[13:33] We weren't going to talk about that but yeah that made me real mad on Friday night like a baby real mad. Real mad because we didn't want to go to the theater because it's so expensive to go to the theater even just for adults, the tickets are $14 a piece for a theater that I don't want to actually step in, because it's not a nice theater like if I was going to somewhere that had like you know red carpets and you know something like worth going into cool this is a movie theater and, a city here in Tennessee. I don't want to go there to begin with I don't want to go spend 40 sorry 53 whatever dollars just to walk in the door. I was so upset so we wouldn't play pool. Which is not bad because it's really weird that one of the pool halls here in Murfreesboro, is actually one of the top rated restaurants in on not the Uber Eats the other one.

GrubHub, they're one of the top restaurants in GrubHub because certain of their food is just that good and like when I read that like in the bar you're like hmm right I bet it is you know and then I actually ordered the burger. And I was like oh. This burger is better than some actual burger places like this is, not all their food was great but their burger was I was like okay yeah I can see why someone would actually order this to be delivered to their house because some food I'm like why would you order that to be delivered to your house like I do,

I don't get it but this I would this I would it was really good burger and so. And somehow it ended up talking for over 30 minutes with the waitress about things so you know as always I can't leave the house without, have you finished your opportunity at random places.

Pastor Bill:

[16:08] Strip clubs, Walmart, restaurants.

Pastor Newms:

[16:11] Now we hook why are you got it why are you got a straight up go with the worst one.

Pastor Bill:

[16:16] We went to a.

Pastor Newms:

[16:17] The past and it was yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[16:18] Went to a strip club for this bachelor thing and and it me and my brother-in-law were sitting at the table and we noticed Newms has been missing for a while, he is outside, sitting with the strippers in the smoking section just having a normal conversation they're all fully dressed just being ladies just having their smoke breaks and he's out there like oh girl I feel ya I just hate it when that happens and I'm like,

you ditched us inside to come hang out, he's outside and he's like hey man I just I'm just being me.

Pastor Newms:

[16:53] It's odd it's really funny we talk about our relationship quite often, and you love Ministry and you love ministering to people that is something you love I, I would prefer to be not talks to normally at all, like even with, this podcast you had to drag me and force me you should really do the podcast part with me I don't want to do the podcast part with you I'll be with you for the other parts I'm not doing the you should really do but I don't want to be with you for the I don't need it I don't want it I don't, I don't need people to look at my face I don't want people to hear my voice I'm good and we're very different in those types of ways because you prefer you like that, and yet everywhere The Waitresses the cashiers the the yes Tina's like, why are you talking to the people what the girls are like Daddy stop talking to the people I didn't start the conversation, trying to go home too but once you know you get to a point where you're like, all right this person is talking to me or I'm talking to this person cool no problem and then like you know the Holy Spirit leads the conversation, to religion and you're like well now I can't walk away like I'm morally obligated now to finish the conversation until that person is done because if you pass up a Ministry opportunity. You're kind of a garbage person in my mind but.

Pastor Bill:

[18:37] I would have to agree with that assessment.

Pastor Newms:

[18:41] Biggs is correct it is because of him the same thing happens to him and it's you put the two of us out and you're not getting anywhere fast like just don't plan on you know which can run and grab food real quick now we're going to be there for an hour and a half, whether or not we're eating the whole time like you're not getting out of here and so yeah it is it is something that Biggs does as well and so but yeah ended up, very nice conversation with a lady who, is an ex-catholic in whose boyfriend is still in religion and she was struggling with it and ended up literally having a 30-minute conversation while she was trying to put in Tina's Wing order. And it was slow so she didn't have other tables so she was just standing at the table talking about you know at the pool table talking to us and I was like hi groggy and Heather just sat down there like what.

Pastor Bill:

[19:32] This is going to be a while.

Pastor Newms:

[19:33] It's fine anyway how was your.

Pastor Bill:

[19:40] My week was great I think.

Pastor Newms:

[19:44] You had date night.

Pastor Bill:

[19:45] Date night yesterday which was very nice we went to an event by a company called fever the event was called House of Spirits,

we got a VIP VIP entry and then they came with this lovely Scotch drinking cup not that I drink Scotch because I. Keep alcohol in the house at all.

Pastor Newms:

[20:10] I was like scotch, that I can't imagine.

Pastor Bill:

[20:13] Is that not a scotch cup that's the scotch cup is it.

Pastor Newms:

[20:15] No no no you.

Pastor Bill:

[20:16] But you can't imagine me.

Pastor Newms:

[20:18] Imagine yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[20:20] Now yeah so it was a.

Pastor Newms:

[20:20] No that's not yeah I can't see that at all.

Pastor Bill:

[20:22] It was they called it a haunted mini cocktail soiree, and it basically was there was like four stations with with cocktail stations and my wife BatBrain she put up the, the pictures on her Facebook page if you're friends with her on Facebook, and as for many cocktail stations and each one was named and and you know bespoke crafted around a different part or rather a different character of the overall ghost story surrounding the. And it was a lot of fun just to you know get around a bunch of adults and pretend that. I don't know we were just kind of there and it was like let's pretend it spooky and, have fun and there was a in the dark maze downstairs with, you know one jump-scare at the end and then there was a Monster Hunt upstairs where you basically just went from room to room and hung out with this this person to know, full costume inspired by the paintings of a Madman who was driven mad by losing his daughter and, and they were like they'd point something on the picture or they point a part of the room yet to find the thing they wanted to give it to them and then they point you out of the room and you'd go speak to the next person.

Pastor Newms:

[21:50] It's definitely well done.

[21:58] Yeah these are really good pictures love her tights.

Pastor Bill:

[22:02] All right so we had a lot of fun and but the last the last cocktail the VIP cocktail it was made with this ghost vodka oh yeah all you.

Pastor Newms:

[22:14] That's a ghost.

Pastor Bill:

[22:15] It's so spicy all you can taste is the spicy all that ghost vodka it doesn't even have any flavor it's so spicy it's just it just hurts it's just the pain of the spiciness, so that was that was a little intense but we had a lot of fun and then we went to Moxie's in Downtown Dallas I don't know if anybody's ever been to Moxie's bat-brains says thanks for the compliment on her pictures, she took all of those pictures except for the one that I edited were you know she was like do the mirror thing if you can and so I took, you know some pictures and then edit it in my Photoshop to make it look like she was looking at her mirror reflection was doing something different than her.

Pastor Newms:

[22:59] And yeah.

Pastor Bill:

[23:04] So it's a Moxie's and Moxie's is a um, it's known as a test kitchen so like when big restaurants want to try new recipes but they want to get a feel for them first they'll hire Moxie's to carry it on their menu for a while so each one that you go to has kind of a different, he's going to have a different menu then each other and the menu will change from time to time, but I got the so if you're headed to Moxie's in Dallas right now I got the the vindaloo is beef vindaloo on the menu but I substituted in for chicken let me tell you, it was real, then dilute this is wasn't like the watered-down Americanized cheapened you know mild stuff this was the I'm going to break off my piece of non and pick up some, um It's a vindaloo for my bowl and I'm going to put in my mouth and I'm going to start coughing and my sinuses are going to be instantly clearer than they've been in months, that kind of vindaloo, it was great. I fell asleep in the in the lift on the way to the event and then Roxanne fell asleep in the lift on the way back from the event so.

Pastor Newms:

[24:18] You forced everyone to go to Facebook congratulations.

Pastor Bill:

[24:23] Congratulations.

Pastor Newms:

[24:24] In the in the middle of the middle of our livestream everyone with the face.

Pastor Bill:

[24:35] What are we going to do there was an uptick in like three people came to Facebook all at the same time. You're welcome Facebook all right so that's all I really have to share about this week I. We can't think of anything else I need to share about this way that was the big highlight of my week was the date night with my wife.

Pastor Newms:

[24:59] Date nights always good date night is always fun.

Pastor Bill:

[25:04] Date night is good, Moxie's is a little expensive though just fair warning the only reason that I got the permission to stay and have a meal at Marty's is because it's somewhere that I wanted to try since I started driving for Uber every time I drop somebody off over there I be like I want to try that one day but it is, expensive but it was really good so yes I fall asleep if I close my eyes, that is a fact my biology my wife falls asleep if she's tipsy so I fell asleep on the way there she fell asleep on the way back. Because you know I close my eyes she's for like two seconds and then and then and I was out. Well not made of money and even insurance is too expensive so there you go.

Pastor Newms:

[26:09] That's not a cheap procedure to begin with because you gotta do the whole sleep study stuff it's getting cheaper to actually do the sleep studies because they've started to do like at home sleep study.

Pastor Bill:

[26:19] Yeah I can order an at-home sleep study it's like a hundred and fifty bucks a night but then how am I supposed to pay for a $3,000 apnea machine and.

Pastor Newms:

[26:30] That's the that's the that's the problem some of them are very expensive.

Pastor Bill:

[26:34] Some of the math like the cheapest one I could find.

Pastor Newms:

[26:37] Well I'm.

Pastor Bill:

[26:39] They would like six hundred dollars down and did it up.

Pastor Newms:

[26:43] There's there's ways around it but you gotta go through a home health to get that and that of course is.

Pastor Bill:

[26:54] Focus this back down in on the topic here because it's time for that we're talking about unveiled like the concept is unveiled so, we I say it a lot newms doesn't realize I say we say it but it's not we as me I say it we are not like Moses we are not veiled, and this is a concept that I've brought up from the very very beginning of the equation house and this was the thing that I was reading you know I was reading through the other day and I was like hey I didn't realize this is where I got that concept from, we brought that up last week and then it was just it wouldn't go away it was just on my heart that yeah okay this is what we need to talk about. We are in 2nd Corinthians chapter 3 I highly, if you've never read through 2nd Corinthians chapter 3 you should if you've never studied second Corinthians chapter 3, you should you should spend some time in second Corinthians chapter 3 because it's really good but for those of you who haven't read it yet I'm about to read it to you it's only, 18 verses, so I'm going to read it to you and then we'll focus in on just the part that we're talking about tonight and how it applies to the way I use it and and the concept here at The Ekklesian House and with The Berean Manifesto, and it's the concept we're talking about as presented in 2nd Corinthians has more than one facet to it and we can talk about you know, the different ways to look at it and then also you know like I said the way I'm using. So we'll certain in verse 1 of second Corinthians chapter 3 are we beginning to commend ourselves again, or do we need like some letters of recommendation to you or from you you yourselves are our letters, written on our hearts known and read by everyone, you show that you are Christ letter delivered by us not written with ink but with the spirit of the Living God not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human. Such is the confidence we have through Christ before God, it is not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything as coming from ourselves, but our actor adequacy is from God he has made us competent to be Ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter kills but the spirit gives life. Now with the ministry that brought death chiseled and letters on Stones came with Glory, so that the Israelites were not able to gaze steadily at Moses's face because of its Glory which was set aside, how will the ministry of the spirit not be more glorious, for if the ministry that brought condemnation had Glory the ministry that brings righteousness overflows with even more Glory, in fact, what had been glorious is not glorious Now by comparison because of the glory that surpasses, for what was set aside was glorious what indoors will be even more glorious. Since then we have such a hope we act with great boldness, we are not like Moses who used to put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from gazing steadily until the end of the glory of what was being set aside, but their minds were hardened for to this day at the reading of the old Covenant the same Veil remains, is not lifted because it is only set aside I'm sorry I, mix the only where it's not supposed to be because it is set aside only in Christ yet still today whenever Moses is read a veil Lies over their heart, but whenever a person turns to the Lord the veil is removed,

now the Lord is the spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. We all with unveiled faces, are looking as in a mirror at the glory of the Lord and are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, this is from the Lord who is the spirit okay. So what is Paul talking about here with Moses and a veil and the glory and all the stuff that he's talking about so in Exodus, where is The Exodus Exodus chapter 34, it talks about Moses would go into the tent of meeting and he would meet face-to-face with God, and then he'd come back out his face would be shining with the glory of the Lord so much so that the people in the camp of the Israelites were afraid,

to talk to him afraid to go up and even be near him because he was showing with the glory of the Lord and they would sit there and they would stare at it. Until it faded and he became normal old Moses again and life went on, as normal okay you know that's that's fine so what Moses would start doing is he would put on a veil over his face. And we saw talking to God he take the veil off and then he'd leave this into meeting he'd put the veil back on and then he'd leave the veil on. And speak to the people on behalf of God like he had done when his face was glowing for them, and when his face would then stop glowing he'd leave the veil on. And people would think. He was still glowing with the glory of the Lord and had recently talked to God and that everything he was saying was still from this position of, someone that was heavily influenced by the glory of the Lord and it was this kind of this kind of little chink in his armor this little imperfection, that Moses kept this Veil on even though the glory had a faded and he was just regular old Joe Schmo again, okay so there's there's two concepts here that Paul is playing off of back and forth, one he's saying don't be ashamed of the Gospel, you are a Christian don't be ashamed of who you are don't be ashamed to let people know don't be ashamed of the glory of the Lord don't be ashamed of the fact that you are set apart to be holy don't be ashamed of that, at the same time because Paul's got to be, careful he's writing to Gentiles he's he knows Jews are going to be reading what he's writing he knows Romans are going to read it so he's got it he's got to say things that always mean multiple things and we've this, awesome thing together is awesome concept together to give a whole idea. At the same time he saying even though you've got this Christianity and you've got this glory and you've got this remember, you are still being renewed you when you look in the mirror still see Joe Schmo, and you are steadily being changed. So it's the same time that you're not ashamed of the Gospel you're not ashamed of your Christianity you're not ashamed of who you are in Christ don't pretend that you're. Don't pretend don't Vale your imperfections. In a veil of oh no I'm a Christian I'm perfect take it take it by my word the my face is glowing I've still got the glory. Do it the veil altogether, you don't be ashamed of the Gospel don't be ashamed of your Christian don't pretend to be perfect don't pretend like you don't have flaws don't pretend like you've never been to a strip club don't pretend like you don't play video games don't pretend like you don't have, a miniature cocktail and a date with your wife right, um you are a regular person a regular individual person and when I say you know we're not veiled here, that's what I'm talking about we're not ashamed of our faith we're not ashamed to sit to speak our faith and at the same time we're not afraid to wear shirts that have Deadpool riding a unicorn on, while we're doing Ministry with our microphones muted.

Pastor Newms:

[36:52] It was not muted I must have I really did mute that to take a drink and then completely sat here letting you speak and not mute oops my bad, I said who me.

Pastor Bill:

[37:06] Who me yeah you.

Pastor Newms:

[37:06] No okay.

Pastor Bill:

[37:09] So this is this is the concept here you know we live our lives unveiled because we not only want to spread the gospel but we want to use this friendship evangelism, um because evangelism in and of itself is not bad, in your face I don't really care about you I just care about numbers but oh yeah I do care about you. I just want to draw that back down to remind everyone of the thing that really hit home for me when we talk about evangelism, is if you aren't willing to give the person you're evangelizing your personal telephone number and take a call from them at 2 a.m. when they're having a crisis of faith, then you're not actually evangelizing you're not. You're doing what's called a cast seed you're throwing seeds and hoping for result but that's not evangelism.

Pastor Newms:

Pastor Newms:

[38:22] Well I'll disagree with that because there's there's two aspects of evangelism theirs, evangelism to bring people in and there's what we're actually supposed to be doing which isn't even evangelism but making disciples and I think they're in the modern Church those two things are extremely.

Pastor Bill:

[38:45] I would say the word evangelism has dropped making disciples but originally to evangelize you would be making disciples.

Pastor Newms:

[39:02] I mean maybe.

Pastor Bill:

[39:04] But I'm also the guy that says.

Pastor Newms:

[39:06] 45 minutes.

Pastor Bill:

[39:07] I'm also the guy that says words are allowed to change meanings because that's how words work.

Pastor Newms:

[39:17] So technically the word evangelize by definition is to convert someone to your religion so it's not actually a, at least the modern definition is it might not have been originally but that is the modern definition of the word evangelize. That being said I mean we made it 45 minutes in 46 minutes in at this point I can say it English is a terrible, and so you know it is. That aspect.

Pastor Bill:

[40:03] And the word evangelize isn't even in the Bible.

Pastor Newms:

[40:07] And that's something that you know me and you have had lots of conversations about and I was actually having a conversation about it yesterday with someone not knowing what today's topic was going to be about.

Pastor Bill:

[40:17] Because I didn't tell you till this morning.

Pastor Newms:

[40:20] I know about how there are, one of in my mind a major failing of the modern church is taking the Great Commission, and changing it to mean evangelization you know the Great Commission is go out and make disciples. You know and what a lot of people have done is to say okay well I've made a lot of converts and as big said there are some people who are better at just, throwing seed and aren't good at the interpersonal relationships. And that's you know all forms are needed as long as it's done in Love Don't spread hate on the street which I know Biggs doesn't I know he wouldn't mean that I'm just pressing. But I think that's a major thing in our churches that we have forgotten to do is that we have continued to just seek to convert people, and not build the relationship with God and I think that's cause a lot of failings and you know there's this whole deconstruction, that means deconstruction means two different things so it depends on what you feel about the movement on what that word means to you but that we're not gonna get into that on this week we've talked about that in the past.

Pastor Bill:

[41:46] But we're not we're not anti deconstruction.

Pastor Newms:

[41:50] One version yes we're not gonna get it again I was going to say we're not.

Pastor Bill:

[41:53] Hello Paul said if you were ever with us.

Pastor Newms:

[42:00] I understand but there is a point of deconstruction where when you take it to lump the entire church there are aspects I don't want to get into like you do like I do to you all the time there's a reason why I said what I said because this is a longer conversation because there the deconstruction movement as a whole me, exiting the Christian faith.

Pastor Bill:

[42:21] Just thought I'd give you a little a little payback for last week.

Pastor Newms:

[42:26] But leaving the Christian faith because the Christian faith is wrong is not what we condone of course because that's not what, but deconstructing the things you've learned as a Berean and figuring out what is actually valid because a lot that's taught isn't is what we do can do which is a form of deconstruction.

Pastor Bill:

[42:47] What my last my last word on deconstruction is if you leave the Christian faith because you don't believe in it I'd rather you find that out now, then after you die and you're at the judgment and then you find out you never actually believed in it and you lived your whole life a lie, with no chance of having salvation because you believed a lie so there you go that's my last statement on that.

Pastor Newms:

[43:13] And you'll have to go from here because I don't remember anywhere that I was going.

Pastor Bill:

[43:18] I wait wait wait wait wait wait lead you.

Pastor Newms:

[43:25] It's okay I just have no idea.

Pastor Bill:

[43:27] What were we even talking about.

Pastor Newms:

[43:29] Evangelism and the conversations I had with someone this week and I don't remember what part I was talking about.

Pastor Bill:

[43:35] Well they thought Concepts being real being unveiled in.

Pastor Newms:

[43:40] Yeah but it was something though.

Pastor Bill:

[43:42] So you know when I see when I hear of and see churches that are have that concept of, you just you just bring them in here you bring them into the church and will lead them to the Lord you just bring them in instead of the church equipping people to make disciples. They you know cut the actual work of the Christian themself out of the equation, and just bring them in to let the church do the work bring them into the church to the work that you're supposed to be doing. The church isn't staffed to disciple hundreds of people at a time that's what the Christians are supposed to be doing.

Pastor Newms:

[44:24] We're all individually supposed to be doing that so unveiled I think one of the huge issues in the Christian faith, the modern Sea church that's caused a lot of deconstruction is people not being real, you've got these pastors that have struggles and don't talk about them and I'm not saying you to talk about all your struggles from the pulpit it's not always appropriate some are some aren't you know, we are little different because we are a little different but people don't talk to even the people around them their support, about their struggles and then all of a sudden you hear such and such pasture was embezzling or such and such pastor had an affair such-and-such Pastor walked away or such-and-such Pastor was never actually a Christian in his walked away from the faith because he read one thing that blew him away or.

Pastor Bill:

[45:17] Or committed suicide and only his wife knew he was struggling what.

Pastor Newms:

[45:24] Which and you have you have a support group around you as a pastor you should you should have pastors that are ministering to you both me and Bill, neither one of us are like oh well we are pastors at a church so, we know everything and we don't do anything else no I fully attend most of the time another church Bill listens to lots of other speakers that Minister into him. Because we both know you can't.

Just be the end most good pastors you'll hear them say this is the person I consider to be my pastor and you're like wait what. And it's usually like a campus pastor at one of the facilities that they are at or they're the pastor that was above them originally and so they still listen to everything that he puts out and talks to him on a weekly basis you know things like that.

Pastor Bill:

[46:21] It's a good sign another good sign to hear from your pastor is oh I stole this concept from so-and-so or I stole this concept from so and so and they should listen all these other pastors that I got this concept that were preaching today from this, that's a really good sign that you know they're working on themselves or submitted to other teachings that's the only reason why I mention, that I read nine commentaries is so that people understand when I say hey this scripture means this it means that because I've read nine commentaries from people, ranging over the last 200 years and the consensus of the last 200 years of theologians I'm not making it up I'm Gonna Know.

Pastor Newms:

[47:12] Which they can still all be wrong does.

Pastor Bill:

[47:13] They could absolutely one hundred percent.

Pastor Newms:

[47:16] But but it is one of those things where you, we're always at least here we are always very open about we're not right. We think we're correct but we have both been proven wrong more than once we've both been proven wrong more than once while talking here by the other person and then have to go back and go hmm. Oops.

Pastor Bill:

[47:51] Gone in to prepare to speak you know to recording these podcasts and been proven Wrong by the scriptures on what I thought something was and I'm going how have I missed this all this time what.

Pastor Newms:

[48:06] Yeah and it's very very easy, to happen because we as humans we put our faith in other people and other things, and when a teacher that you trust tells you something often times you absorb it and make it part of you without ever, truly looking at it which is while Paul brings up the Brand's at all of hey I really like these guys because they don't trust me at all and when you stop and think about it you're like wait what Paul, shouldn't date because we're taught some Churches they teach if your pastor says that it's true.

Pastor Bill:

[48:50] And if you question it then you should be somewhere else you should need to go somewhere.

Pastor Newms:

[48:55] Elder says it yeah but I think we always have to be questioning because it always has to go back to the scriptures I've been in conversations where it's like well where is that oh it's here, and you go back and read it you're like oh that's odd why have I never seen that you know and, you know I definitely think it's something that that being unveiled is so important because it is. Showing that we all have struggles and we all need help every day and the second, like I mentioned before which I didn't really even think about the second half of being unveiled because I only go to the negative normally not the positive I didn't think about any of the fact of what my stories were in the beginning of this talked about the second half which is, the holy spirit will bring people to you, don't hide from what you are which don't start with me I don't need to hear it sir I can see your judgey face from here. Those listen to the podcasts that can't see how judgy his face is but just imagine it's very judgy because now he's going yeah says can say to I was gonna bring it up yeah, so we all struggle with things and so you know, I think it's one of those things that we have to look at and I also find it interesting one thing I did want to bring up. We get towards the end which I you know is always dangerous. Chapter 4 in second Corinthians starts with therefore.

Pastor Bill:

[50:41] Oh my.

Pastor Newms:

[50:43] Which we always talk about that's so important chapter 4, of second Corinthians starts with therefore and so you're like oh cry like you made this point it's a really good point and he's got a second follow-up, that the biblical writers were that mean the people who dissected the Bible for what we currently have we're like oh here's a good split which with Paul's writings it's almost impossible because he is a master of run-on sentences and run on thoughts, and so like there's no good breaks in like very very very very few times is like chapters are versus good brakes with Paul but, he says you know therefore since we have this ministry because we were shown Mercy we do not give up instead we renounce, secret and shameful things not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God. Commending ourselves before God to everyone's conscious by open display of truth if our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing, and then it goes on about a bunch more about unbelievers and and other aspects but it's that one part that I found interesting is instead you know we've renounced the secret and shameful things not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God, not saying you know we do this and that means it's okay.

Pastor Bill:

[52:13] Per se.

Pastor Newms:

[52:14] For everyone.

Pastor Bill:

[52:15] Even someone like me. Can receive the Gospel and salvation that's what Paul is saying there even someone like me.

Pastor Newms:

[52:29] Cuz I cuz I messed up a bunch and let's be honest there are very few people that this podcast will reach, I'm not saying none but few that, we're as bad as saw was like it could if it gets into a prison ministry somewhere or some ex convert convert, the word that bill will say in a second because I can't find it, you know if you've done some like truly too because Paul did he did some truly Terrible Things assault and then was like, oops and so that's his point there's even if you know therefore this is why I'm saying this you know we have to live,

unveiled to show people you know.

Pastor Bill:

[53:19] It is part of the Gospel message, to not be flaky and to not pretend you're okay and to not pretend everything's hunky-dory and let people know that even a messed-up slob like me who's done the things that I've done is worthy of salvation,can be changed by God and that changes on.

Pastor Newms:

[53:49] And that's always something that is interesting to look at of those types of aspects of you know there's, it's just he was very good writer and it's very interesting sometimes all the concepts he puts into one chapter, because that chapter is definitely a lot I read it several times today going okay Paul. Sentence and you've got several Concepts going in the same chapter, I actually went back to the KJV for a minute just because I was like okay I've learned this at one point, what's something that's not sticking because I'm reading it differently this time we go back to the these in the vowels because I'm missing something and oh okay I see now, that's what I was missing because I did so much of my study in the past in that it's sometimes hard to equate the newer translations.

Pastor Bill:

[54:51] On that as we you know wind down now funny fact from history. In the creams English which is what the KJV is written in it's called the queen's English it's not old English is not quite Middle English and the queen's English the terms of thee and thou, these are the casual ways of saying things. These are not the Pomp and official sounding these are the way that Beggars speak. The king you would never find royalty or someone that was highly respected in society, saying the and thou when they were talking so when someone you know is reading the scripture like vocalist say these heated and then they pray that way and stuff like that. Doing their best impersonation of a popper covered in mud who just left the pig farm and is doing their best to speak in the public market and I just think that's so funny because it's got this. These overtones of well I'm better than you because I say thee and thou and my Bible says thee and thou and it and then in the context of the queen's English it's actually just the opposite. It's a little funny detail from history there for you alright now we need to give a 30-second buffer or some of our.

Pastor Newms:

[56:24] No now we need to say our byes first.

Pastor Bill:

[56:27] I thought we did the Bubba's yeah you're right we did the Baba's before we do the 30 seconds.

Pastor Newms:

[56:31] We decided to switch it last week which completely wrecked to you and so I did.

Pastor Bill:

[56:37] I don't know what to do with myself, all right so we record this every Sunday night when we do record it as 6:30 p.m. Central Standard Time and I'd like to invite anyone listen to this to come join us live you can participate on Twitch you're going to Facebook YouTube, any of those places you can comment live in the chat and we will see it and you can be a part of the conversation we love having people be a part of the conversation, um and it really does deepen the way things go nothing that happened tonight, as far as you know,

building upon and people asking questions something like this but that's okay it doesn't have to happen you're not required to participate in the chat you are invited too, and we try to keep it on topic as much as possible but you know what I don't even know is not always going to happen back when we were meeting.

Pastor Newms:

[57:35] You think you think you think this is bad as far as being on topic this is this is on top.

Pastor Bill:

[57:44] This isn't done.

Pastor Newms:

[57:45] We this is we if you ever join us in our streaming, that that is that is that is us not on.

Pastor Bill:

[57:54] Does all over the.

Pastor Newms:

[57:55] And it is it is scary to places we can end up but anyway.

Pastor Bill:

[58:01] Now we're bad just you know not necessarily bad.

Pastor Newms:

[58:06] No not necessarily bad but what I mean is is I always joke I was listening to my Spotify, at the at the pool hall I loaded up my my eyes I put 20 bucks.

Pastor Bill:

[58:19] Yours or mine.

Pastor Newms:

[58:21] Started queuing mine I started queuing up songs for my Spotify into the Jukebox and, the lady actually came up to us and was like are you guys playing all of this music and we're like not all but a lot of it. I can't tell what you guys and what isn't it was like yeah you won't be able to because it was me Zaydiee and Phoenix I don't know if groggy was queuing anything up I don't remember. And all of us are very eclectic and so the music was just all over the place Zaydiee put some Striper in there at one point even so I mean it went all over the place,

and so yeah good luck I feel sorry for the person who has to figure out what my browsing, I have an NSA agent I am sorry homie like I am bad but.

Pastor Bill:

[59:15] All right, this podcast comes out every Wednesday night at 7 p.m. Central Standard Time wherever you get your podcasts we actually just joined another podcast host that I didn't know existed and they reached out to us of a Vurbl, so if you're on Vurbl and you haven't been here in The Berean Manifesto we are officially on Vurbl now, like I said we try to keep up with every podcast host and as they pop up we try to make sure we're on there as well, what are you grinning at over there Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:

[59:48] You can hear us vurbly or non-verbally.

Pastor Bill:

[59:49] Your has verbally and verbal all right so that was everything right you give me you give me so sidetracked, come join us live on Sunday nights please do the podcast comes out on Wednesdays, if you like our content if we've helped you or made you laugh or just made you smile or and you think someone else could deal do with having a smile or could be helped by us. Please share like our content share our content we're not, trying to get o get big and famous or make a whole bunch of money we talked about friendship evangelism because we literally want to be able to interact on a personal level with people, and so it's not about getting big but it is about reaching those who need,

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have a great week now your catchphrase Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:

Be safe out there. (I love messing with him)

Pastor Bill:

And until next time...

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Pastor Bill:

[0:03] Hello and welcome to Season 3 Episode 47 of the Berean Manifesto; Faith, Hope, and Love for the Modern Christian. In tonight's episode we are talking about forgiveness and I've got Pastor Newms with me from Tennessee. Say hi Pastor Newms.

Pastor Newms:

Hi Pastor Newms.

Pastor Bill:

The people on the podcast can't hear you.