Law and Legitimacy: Recent Episodes
Norm Pattis
Law, politics, crime, and culture—in a word, "conflict".
If you have trouble telling the good guys from the bad guys, Law and Legitimacy is your podcast.
Norm Pattis is a trial and appellate lawyer focused on criminal defense and constitutional rights. Norm is also a long-time newspaper columnist and the owner of one of New England's oldest bookstores. A contrarian by nature, he believes that no group is quite so frightening as a self-righteous mob.
His objective? To make you think. Welcome to Law and Legitimacy.
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter.
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Jalapeño Jack & Writs of Mandamus, VDare v. Letitia James & Norm's Voir Dire Stories
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Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcastThe Climate God-Complex, Fanning Fani & Admissibility of Tattoos, Crosswalk Burnouts & Dolezal
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer is LIVE every weekday at 8:00am eastern. . The state of nature doesn't have to be nasty, poor, solitary, brutish and short. Really. . We—ordinary men and women—are populist by instinct, respect tradition, and are curious about how law shapes our lives and expectations. . In a world wrought with divisions and hatred, Law and Legitimacy has situated itself in a watchtower, keeping an ever-vigilant eye on the horizon. . Join us daily for the sight-lines of the day's most controversial events and trends. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer offer an honest look at issues that matter to those who care about a good society, the rule of law, and the welfare of ordinary men and women. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. . Find LAL: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast
Everyone seems to be talking about Jeffrey Epstein, sex, an unsealed client list, etc. etc., but what's being said really? . Jalapeño Jack Smith filed an embarrassing motion in limine in the DC District Court v. Trump. Norm and Mike unpack. . The Justices meet today to decide whether to grant certiorari to a petition brought by 20 states, Governor Gavin Newsom, and dozens of municipalities on the issue of whether homelessness is "involuntary," whether cities may legally arrest bums sleeping on public streets, in the absence of available public shelter. Really. . Join us. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. Mike is still swinging a hammer during off hours, but it is coming along nicely. . Find us: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast . LawPodDaily is live every weekday morning at 8:00 am eastern.
Good morning! . We've recovered—as we always do—from the tech tyranny heard in echoes on yesterday's stream. We make no apologies, Mike has told Norm that this town ain't big enough for two producers. . Anywho. Today is the first stride in LAL's reimagined approach to the sight-lines of American institutional legitimacy and rule of law. We begin with: . › Harvard President Claudine Gay resigns from the "Corporation" and promptly pens an editorial in the New York Times so rich in irony it might have been plagiarized. What does Adam Ellwanger's piece in The American Mind, "The Grift of the Magi," tell us about the rhetorical tools of magic and illusion? . › President Donald Trump filed his petition for certiorari with the Supreme Court of the United States asking the Court to review and reverse the Colorado's Supreme Court ruling, which approved the use of Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the United States constitution to bar the Colorado Secretary of State from including President Trump's name on the primary election ballots in March. . Join us. . Go to LAWPODDAILY.COM and SUBSCRIBE to the LAL Newsletter. Mike is still swinging a hammer during off hours, but it is coming along nicely. . Find us: https://linktr.ee/PattisPodcast . LawPodDaily is live every weekday morning at 8:00 am eastern.
Look at that. Rumble dropped a static stream key. Here's to progress. . Norm and Mike spend a few extra minutes to make up for yesterday's impromptu cancellation. On the docket: . › Norm and Mike made 5 predictions for the calendar year 2023 back on January 2nd. What were those predictions and how have they aged? . › The Maine Secretary of State has delayed including Trump's name on the primary ballot following Colorado's Supreme Court ruling of disqualification. . › After a jury award of more than $100MM, Rudy Giuliani becomes the latest high profile attorney and Trump affiliate to become a victim of what Justice Clarence Thomas once upon a time termed a "high tech lynching." . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube:
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Well. At least we don't have to talk about the court order compelling the disclosure of more than one hundred names previously redacted in the Epstein proceedings. What a waste, right? . Instead, we're talking about a different crisis of institutional legitimacy that has come to define the modern west in the form of a Colorado Supreme Court ruling which disqualifies President Donald J. Trump from appearing on the Colorado primary ballot (and subsequent 2024 presidential ballot(s)). . In case your second-favorite show fails to fully and adequately equip you with the one tool necessary to arrive at your own personal understanding and comprehension of the facts and procedure at issue, here is a link to the decision in Anderson v. Griswold: https://www.courts.state.co.us/Courts/Supreme_Court/Case_Announcements/Index.cfm . With time, Norm and Mike attend to the top 3 stories of 2023—or at least begin the effort. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Tuesday, #LALiens. . Today: › So long, Bronx Defenders. Hello, USA v. Hamas . › Is 'bad blood' an existential threat? DNC's Rapid Response Team is working overdrive to forge a fresh, new angle against Trump. You'll never guess . . . . › The European Commission announced its investigation into X for alleged violations of the Digital Services Act, ratified in August of 2023. Be assured: this is not at all political. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning and Happy Monday. Norm and Mike begin the week in Law and Legitimacy with the following: . › The trial tax and terrorism in J6: Proud Boy Charles Donohoe's sentencing memo does not include a terrorism enhancement. . › The Department of Justice will charge Blaze journalist, Steve Baker, in connection with his coverage of the events of January 6, 2021, at the Capitol. It is Baker's contention that testimony fundamental to the Government's case in securing seditious conspiracy convictions is contradicted by video and photographic evidence. . › The New York Times reports on the worsening divide in the Bronx Defender's Office—responsible for the cases of 20,000 indigent clients—over the Israel-Hamas War. . › Norm and Mike offer a farewell to a beloved member of the Law and Legitimacy community, and mourn the loss of his kind and gentle soul. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Friday! . If you don't follow Norm on X (@PattisNorm), you missed the following nugget: . "On this day in 1773, colonists disguised as Mohawk Indians dumped 342 chests of tea belong to English investors into Boston Harbor. FDR made December 15 into National Bill of Rights Day in 1941. The #BillofRights — use them or lose them. #BostonTeaParty" . Today, Norm and Mike discuss: › National Bill of Rights Day, James Madison, the Bill of Rights, and the Boston Tea Party . › Republican candidate for President Vivek Ramaswamy appeared on a live CNN Town Hall to address the question of whether the events at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, were in whole or in part manufactured by American intelligence and/or the American government. On the topic of embedded members of the American intelligence community, moderator Abby Phillip makes the affirmative statement that there were none in the crowd on January 6th. Maybe we should hear Norm on that. . › The FCC this week revoked a 2020 award of $885 million to Elon Musk’s Starlink, which award was originally secured after Elon Musk agreed to provide high-speed internet service to more than 640,000 rural American households and businesses across 35 states. Elon vs. Everybody? . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Law and Legitimacy with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer: Thursday, December 14, 2023 . › The Supreme Court has granted certiorari in Fischer, one of the three petitions challenging the Department of Justice's application of Section 1512 against J6 defendants . › Oklahoma's Governor has signed an executive order that aims to eliminate the support of diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives through the use of taxpayer funds . › Alex Jones debuted his new show, Alex on X, yesterday. What does this mean for the Sandy Hook litigation? . › Hunter Biden has defied a Congressional subpoena for a closed-door deposition, appearing instead publicly to hold a press conference to state his willingness to appear at a public hearing. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Norm and Mike discuss: . › Norm's appearance on last night's Loomer Unleashed with Laura Loomer . › SCOTUS has relisted the petitions for certiorari on behalf of the several J6 defendants, including Norm's client, Jake Lang . › Michael Cohen's lawyer appears to have cited at least three (3) cases that do not exist in the course of preparing and filing a motion to a Manhattan court seeking the end of Cohen's supervised probation. . Join us. . . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Fret not. Norm Pattis & Michael Boyer return to regularly scheduled Law and Legitimacy content. Follow us on X @LawPodDaily. Enable notifications. Join the live chat. . Today: › Alex Jones' account on X (@RealAlexJones) has been restored; › Tucker Carlson has announced his new project, the Tucker Carlson Network T/A T.C.N. › The Supreme Court of the United States is considering a fast-track to rule on Donald J. Trump's appeal of his prosecution by Special Counsel Jack Smith. › Ivy League school presidents and the end of pluralism. . Join us. . . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Welcome back to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. Norm and Mike come to you this brisk December morning with all the humility befitting the bootstrapped pursuit LAL will forever be. . On the docket: . › Alex Jones may be on the path to being allowed back on X, following his appearance on Tucker on X released last night. The interview is spectacular. Elon Musk's willingness to understand the origins of Alex's banning from what is now X is perhaps even more so. . › Hunter Biden has been indicted in California for allegedly failing to pay roughly $1.4M in taxes over the three-year period from 2016-2019. . › Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, Daily Wire and FDRLST have sued the State Department, alleging a conspiracy by the State Department and others to censor certain American media outlets, and deplatforming and demonetizing the same American media companies based on their disfavored status by the federal government. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Hump Day! Norm and Mike greet you with another installment of Law and Legitimacy. Today: . › Harvard President Claudine Gay appeared before Congress yesterday, delivering to us all a rare opportunity to bear witness to the dark magic of higher education in action. . › The American Mind's Brian T. Kennedy offers the piece, "Warfare by Immigration" for our consideration. . › Hactivists in New Haven, Connecticut, showed up to the most recent meeting of the Board of Aldermen to propose a resolution for a ceasefire in Gaza. . › Legal ethics: the case of Richard Silverstein. What do lawyers owe the bar? . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning! Welcome back. We'd say we missed you, but you don't come here to be gaslit. We are grateful for you, though. Let's let gratitude lead today: . › Owen Shroyer is scheduled to come home this week. . › Liz Cheney has a new book, which is a very serious contribution to western literature and not at all a consolation prize for taking a dive at the alter of fecklessness and modern republicanism. Trump might be mentioned once or twice, though. . › The House of Representatives is set to vote Wednesday on the "Choice in Automobile Retail Sales Act of 2023" — the CARS Act. Norm and Mike have discussed the Biden administration's strenuous efforts to normalize store-brand electric vehicles no one wants. The CARS Act intends to mock and shame the administration's efforts, while probably hanging out the window of a Cybertruck. . › The American Mind's John Mac Ghlionn writes of "Ireland's Tragic Demise." Norm and Mike take a look at a provision of a broad and sweeping hate speech bill proposed to become law in Ireland. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It was a quick weekend. Let's waste no time. Welcome back to Law and Legitimacy. . Join us. . . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning, #LALiens, and welcome to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily)! Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer convene this morning to discuss: . › The New York Times "2023 DealBook Summit" is hereinafter known as the "RealBook Summit" after Elon Musk displayed raw courage in a hostile environment. Small clips of the nearly 90-minute dialogue have gone viral overnight. Watch/listen to the whole thing. . › Special Counsel Jack Smith's redacted search warrant has been unsealed in the criminal prosecution of Donald J. Trump. The nature of the search warrant? Twitter. All of it. . › The New York Post reports: Derek Chauvin's family is still unaware of his condition following his being stabbed in prison. Can you hear the cheers? . › Norm talks about legendary Connecticut lawyer Richard Silverstein . › Henry Kissinger and the dark side to foreign policy realism: Kissinger, the Soviets, and the Jews. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning! Welcome back to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily), the daily morning livestream hosted by attorney Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. LAL is about our common conception of right and interest, and the devolution of western institutions in the modern era. . Today: . › Alex Jones has been offered a settlement by the Sandy Hook families awarded $1.5B in damages earlier this year. . › The Atlantic is caping for the nanny state again. The sky is falling in SEC v. Jarkesy. . › Why is everyone so unhappy at work right now? That is the question posed by the WSJ. Norm and Mike discuss purpose and significance. . › With time, the Federal Trade Commission has its probe out and is probing. Guard your subs, people. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning! We're going up . . . on a Tuesday. Welcome back to Law and Legitimacy aka @LawPodDaily aka Old Dogs New Tricks aka Tech Issues aka the daily livestream podcast devoted to tracing the crumbling architecture that is western institutional legitimacy through the lens of law and application thereof. . Today: . › Tucker Carlson hosted Steven Bannon on the latest installment of Tucker on X. In the discussion, Tucker makes a salient point in the form of a question: what has Ireland done to deserve the imposition and consequences of the unconstrained migration on its citizens and governing systems? Connor MacGregor is reportedly under criminal investigation for his social media posts following the Dublin riots. . › The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals is taking quite a long time deciding the consequential question of whether a President may be sued in a civil capacity for speech made during his presidency—it has been nearly one full year since oral arguments were heard by the appellate judge panel. What does this portend? . › An unredacted complaint was filed in State v. Meta, the federal lawsuit alleging various violations related to exploitation of minor children for profit and regulatory noncompliance. The WSJ reports that Meta is aware that its product's excesses and moreover designs product experiences to take advantage of undeveloped minds. . › Norm has an update on Owen Shroyer's and Joe Biggs to share. . › American cultural imperialism: Eric Bordenkircher's piece in the American Mind, "America's Salvific Global Mission," is beautifully done. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Wake up. You know the deal. It's Friday. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Happy Thanksgiving! Thank you for joining Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer for another installment of Law and Legitimacy! . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning! Happy Thanksgiving Eve! And, welcome back to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. . Today's topics: . › Norm gives an update on the confinement conditions and his communications with Owen Shroyer over the last several days—many of you have asked, written, and pledged your support. Thank you. . › Elon Musk and X have sued Media Matters in Texas over the latter's alleged conduct which led to patterned advertiser disassociation from X. The lawsuit sounds in interference with contract, disparagement, and interference with prospective economic advantage. . › You may have seen clips from the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in earlier this month in which Senators Ted Cruz and John Kennedy appear to grill judicial nominee Sarah French Russell over her neglect to disclose to the committee a letter dated March 16, 2023, upon which her signature appears and one which she denies recollection signing. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning, happy Monday, and welcome back to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily). Norm and Mike start the holiday week with a bang: . › Court ruling in Colorado case finding that Trump may appear on the presidential ballot . › 44,000 bottles of beer on the wall . . . J6 footage finally released, but to what end? . › Parsing homicide — the case out of Los Angeles in which an elderly Jewish man was allegedly beat on the head with a megaphone and subsequently died. What is involuntary manslaughter? . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning and happy Friday! Welcome and welcome back to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily), the daily morning livestream hosted by Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. LAL traces the contours of legitimacy within western institutions and governance by analyzing the decline thereof through the lens of application of law. If you don't care much for that, we've got great jokes and devastating levels of handsome. . Today: . › Judge Engoron's gag order on President Donald J. Trump has been temporarily lifted by an appellate judge in New York. . › The Diversity Equity and Inclusion Director for Connecticut Public Defender's Office has been suspended for a 'controversial' social media post. . › Republican Candidate for President Vivek Ramaswamy spoke recently concerning the impact of the Supreme Court's decision in West Virginia v. EPA will have in reigning regulator overreach, particularly in the realm of blockchain, cryptocurrency, and digital assets. . › An arrest and charge has been made and announced following the death of an elderly Jewish man in Los Angeles in connection with a confrontation with a pro-Palestinian protestor in early November—involuntary manslaughter. . And then? #AMA! . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Thursday, #LALiens. This week is zooming. We'd thank you for hanging with us, but we're not certain the G force isn't to blame. At any rate, Norm and Mike are locked in for a good one: . › It wasn't Fani's fault? Defense counsel in the Georgia prosecutions asserts that it was he who leaked the profiler videos of Jenna Ellis and others earlier this week. The excuse? Transparency. . › God and Satan: Lebanon, Connecticut, elementary school children have an exciting new option for after-school club: The After School Satan Club. . › Connecticut's Public Defender's Office is having an identity crisis. Its Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Director published an offensive post on Facebook. Can you imagine? . › Trump has motioned for a mistrial in the New York case. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning, #LALiens. It's Hump Day, as they say. But here on Law and Legitimacy it is yet another opportunity to aspire, to think, to speak with purpose, and to foster community with those who want some or all of the same for themselves. Welcome back. . Today: . › The American Muslim Bar Association, the National Association of Muslim Lawyers, and regional bar associations wrote in a November 1, 2023, open letter that a number of top US law firms are contributing to an environment of "Islamophobia and anti-Arab sentiment." . › Michigan Court of Claims Judge James Redford has ruled that President Donald J. Trump's name may remain on the state's primary ballot for the 2024 Republican Presidential Primary. . › New York Governor Kathy Hochul wants New Yorkers to know that they are entitled to "feel safe" and that her administration is troubled by all the data her administration is collecting from the surveillance being conducted by the "Social Media Analysis Unit" relating to hateful online speech. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Tuesday, #LALiens. If you ask Mike, Ye is getting back on the throttle. Will there be an awakening of the American spirit? . Today, Norm and Mike discuss: . › The United States Centers for Disease Control is reporting that data emerging from 2021 shows that life expectancy for men is nearly six (6) years less than for women. Meanwhile, Michigan's legislature has introduced a bill dubbed the "Death with Dignity Act," to legalize medically assisted suicide and joining a growing coalition of American states creating legal pathways for individuals to kill themselves under the supervision and assistance of the medical system. . › Tucker Carlson is in Spain. Something about separatists. Something about taxpayer money being funneled to appease discordant groups. Something about pardoning separatists. But Tucker Carlson is in Spain and is marching with tens of thousands of Spanish citizens in opposition to what is crystallizing as top-down subversion of the country's laws and justice system. . › Video footage of Jenna Ellis' cooperative testimony in the Georgia case against President Donald J. Trump made its debut yesterday and has gone viral. What is the role of a cooperating witness—or, "snitch"—in criminal prosecutions and how is one's credibility and motive effectively cross-examined by defense counsel? . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Monday, #LALiens. Welcome back to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. . Today: › Big Ten Commissioner Tony Pettiti suspended University of Michigan Head Football Coach Jim Harbaugh on Friday . › Judge Ural Glanville will allow lyrics from rap artist Young Thug to be introduced by the prosecution in the criminal RICO trial set to begin later this month in Georgia. . › The big city migrant crisis looks to further deteriorate as winter approaches in New York City, Chicago, and others. Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Happy Friday! Norm and Mike showcase what really happened at the Republican Presidential Debate, talk about the respective confinements of Joe Biggs and Owen Shroyer, and talk about Salolsky's new book. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning , good Wednesday, #LALiens. Welcome to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily). Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer are live every weekday to test the limits of our common conception of rights and interests, and to advance a discussion about the challenges to the shared future for the citizens of a western nation when the legitimating features of its institutions are in a free-fall. . Today, Norm and Mike are honored to have Ron Coleman join the stream. A meaningful and productive stream focusing on antisemitic discrimination was promised. We are here to deliver. This is not one you will want to miss. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
That has to be one of the most creative titles in our long and decorated livestream history, right? . Good morning, Happy Tuesday, and welcome again to Law and Legitimacy with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. . Today: › Donald J. Trump takes the stand in the Manhattan civil trial and performs as a presidential candidate should. What did we learn? › Louder with Crowder's Steven Crowder monopolized the internet yesterday and was censored for his trouble—the events surrounding the Covenant School shooting have become more clear to the public through this quaint concept known as journalism. › Norm is in D.C. for the Congressional Hearings and talks about Owen Shroyer's conditions of confinement since his entry into prison just several weeks ago. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
The clocks fell back but we're live at the same time on this beautiful Monday morning. Welcome to Law and Legitimacy with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. . Today: › Norm is headed back to Washington, D.C., and he tells you why › Owen Shroyer is still in solitary confinement › The gag order imposed on Trump in the election interference case was lifted › Question: what is wrong about Christian nationalism? . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning and welcome to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. We extend the warmest of welcomes to those of you viewing for perhaps the first time by way of Norm's appearance yesterday with Jack Posobiec. . If you are a free-thinker, a contrarian, or among the generally unafraid, you will find a great home here as an #LALien. . On today's stream: . › Tucker Carlson has gone to London to visit the incarcerated Julian Assange › The Consortium for Independent Journalism filed a first amendment lawsuit against the federal government and NewsGuard Technologies claiming the cooperation between the two to label, stigmatize, and defame American media organizations which oppose or dissent from American foreign defense policy. › President Donald J. Trump announces the New American Academy via "Agenda 47," aiming to establish parallel educational infrastructure for American families and students disaffected by the current institutional landscape. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning and welcome to Law and Legitimacy. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer meet every weekday morning at the intersection of sovereign power and the faith of the citizenry in the righteous use thereof. . Today: . › Senator Tommy Tuberville is causing a stir in the Senate by continuing to block the confirmation of at least 61 military promotions. . › For the first time in 20 years, infant mortality rates in the United States has risen. . › The results of the Bridgeport Primary Election for Mayor has been ordered by a court to be set aside in favor of a new primary election. . › Attorney General or Candidate for Governor? North Carolina AG Josh Stein continues to blur the lines. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning, LALiens. It is November 1, 2023. Christmas is finally here. . Norm and Mike cover the following in today's stream: . › Whether President Donald J. Trump has a viable defense in the form of 'double jeopardy' in response to the criminal charges he faces in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. . › Owen Shroyer, Jake Lang are in solitary confinement. Is the Department of Justice playing games? . › Self-titled "counterterrorism prosector" Will Rollins is running for Congress in California. And he really likes stuffing. Ask his grandpa. . › Should society hold false accusers accountable for the harm that befalls the wrongly accused in the American justice system? . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning and Happy Halloween, #LALiens! Norm and Mike have spared the tricks and indulge the treat that is the history of The Excorcist, nearly 50 years from its original release in 1973. . The two also discuss: . › The New Criterion's Essay: "The Promise of Populism" . › The Order granting a temporary restraining order to the petitioner in State of Texas v. Department of Homeland Security et al. The federal government must temporarily cease its destruction of Texas' property at the southern border. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Happy Monday LALiens! Norm and Mike are live and ready to get your week cranked. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Friday! Norm and Mike convene to discuss: . › Reports of Israel's ground invasion of Gaza, and the U.S. deploying more troops to the region . › Migrants continue to flow into New York City and Mayor Adams has publicly considered providing tents . › Minnesota Democrat, Congressional Representative Dean Phillips, is expected to announce his bid for President of the United States and to seek the party nomination over the incumbent, Joe Biden. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Welcome to Law and Legitimacy! Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer livestream their discussion of Judge Sarah Wallace's denial of Colorado Secretary of State, Jena Griswold, and President Donald J. Trump's motion to dismiss the petition before it. That petition, of course, is one which challenges Trump's eligibility to have his name lawfully placed on presidential election ballots in the forthcoming 2024 presidential election pursuant to application of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution. . With time, the duo also take a look at the lawsuits filed against Meta—parent company to Facebook and Instagram—by 41 states attorneys general. While the suits portend to represent the interests of children's mental health and well-being, the bigger questions appear still to be unasked. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Tuesday! Welcome to Law and Legitimacy: the daily livestream tracing the contours of western institutions amid the decline of their collective resonance with the citizens for whom they were founded to serve. . Norm and Mike take a few minutes for the former to download a few takeaways from his recent west coast wanderings, including his stint at a comedy bootcamp hosted by none other than Jay Leno and Adam Carolla. . The duo then pivots to the case of Missouri v. Biden, for which the Supreme Court of the United States has granted certiorari. This case has all the makings of a landmark decision in those domains that matter most: speech, censorship, and the public-private coordination giving refuge to the patterned suppression of individual liberties. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Happy Friday! Mike is joined by a friend of Law and Legitimacy and President of the Convention of States, Mark Meckler (@MarkMeckler), a nonprofit striving to call a Convention of States (@COSProject) under Article V of the United States Constitution to propose constitutional amendments limiting federal power. . Mark appeared on Law and Legitimacy early on during our long-form days. The chance meeting between Mark and Norm is a great one. Mark appears on the heels of Mike's interview with Adam Ellwanger and the discussion of declining conditions at America's southern border, as federal policy is in direct contradiction to the laws, policies, and enforcement efforts of the state of Texas. Mike and Mark use that discussion as a launching pad to reintroduce LALiens to the promise of the tenth amendment and the concept of federalism. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Mike is joined by special guest co-host Adam Ellwanger, professor of English, political writer for The American Mind, fellow at The Claremont Institute, and editor of The Peerless Review. . Law and Legitimacy frequent flyers might recall Norm and Mike's discussion from a couple of weeks back, which analyzed the deteriorating conditions at the United States' southern border through the lens of federalism—the federal executive applied immigration policy creating untenable conditions for Texas citizens and the rights guaranteed to them by their state and federal government. Adam wrote the main piece to which Mike made reference, "How to Turn a Cold War Hot." Adam is kind enough to join Mike as a guest co-host to take that analysis further. . This stream is one-of-a-kind. Join us. Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and welcome back to Law and Legitimacy. Mike presses forward in Norm's absence, but certainly not without his impact. The Washington Post's reporting on the Department of Justice's move to appeal the court's sentencing behind the convictions of the Proud Boys convicted in the January 6th proceedings includes a spicy quote from Norm. . UAW and the Big 3 are still struggling to find middle ground. Mike offers some perspective. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning, Happy Friday, and welcome to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily). Mike is joined today by a special guest co-host, first amendment juggernaut and trial attorney, Marc Randazza. . You should follow Marc on X (@marcorandazza). . The duo expands on yesterday's stream re: TikTok v. Montana, social media algorithms, free speech, censorship, and the age of consent a la beverage alcohol and tobacco purchases and sales. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and welcome to Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily)! Norm is traveling today, but he squeezed in a few minutes in the wee hours of the morning to share some of his vintage wisdom. Mike will cue that during this morning's stream! . Politico is reporting that Alex Jones will refuse to testify as a witness in the Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis' criminal prosecution of President Donald J. Trump. If so moved by the courts, Jones will assert his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination as he has done in the past. . What is 'pleading the fifth'? Let Norm explain the nature of the underlying case against President Trump, the nature of conspiracy and R.I.C.O criminal prosecutions, and why Alex Jones' testimony is unnecessary to further the case in chief. . Thereafter, Mike opens the floor for discussion with the live chat. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Before Norm heads off to the Wild West, he and Mike finish yesterday's analysis and update observations concerning the crisis unfolding in Gaza which is appears likely to metastasize in the West. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is a somber Monday morning. Norm and Mike continue ahead. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It's Friday, but it feels like Tuesday. That's because this is only our second stream this week. We cut the product by 60% and you're still here. Things we should all think about. . Today: . › Newsweek, The Blaze, and the FBI's monitoring of Trump supporters › Hillary Clinton's appearance on CNN › Adam Ellwanger's piece in The American Mind, "How to Turn a Cold War Hot" . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Believe it! Norm and Mike return to regularly scheduled streaming. Perhaps the truth of the unanticipated absence is boring, but it is indeed the truth. We'll humor some imagination, though. . Today: › Speaker McCarthy has been vacated › SCOTUS turned declined to hear a lawsuit brought pursuant to Section 3 of the 14th amendment, which would bar Donald J. Trump from appearing on election ballots in the 2024 presidential election › Mainstream media is programming its NPCs what to think about the recent newsworthiness of immigration › The Wall Street Journal reports that small business bankruptcies are rising at the worst pace since the widespread closures of 2020 . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning, #LALiens! Law and Legitimacy with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer for Tuesday, September 26, 2023, explores: . › President Donald J. Trump's legal team submitted a motion in response to Special Counsel Jack Smith and Co.'s request to the United State District Court for the District of Columbia for a gag order during the pendency of the proceedings. . › New York City is making headlines for the continued deterioration of public relations between citizens and city officials in response to the influx of nearly 60,000 migrants. So, too, is Italy making headlines for emerging political willpower to stem the same tide off the coast of the Mediterranean. . › California's SB 403 has been sent by the legislature to Governor Gavin Newsom, portending to add "ancestry" and "caste" as categories of protected classes under state law covering employment, housing, civil rights, and education. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Monday! Norm and Mike are fresh off of the beautiful fall weekend for another week of Law and Legitimacy. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Welcome to Law and Legitimacy! Today is a special day. We honor the fearless LAL patriarch, Norm Pattis, and celebrate his birthday. . This episode focuses heavily on the Congressional testimony given by one Attorney General Merrick Garland, and the broader state of the federal Department of Justice. Norm and Mike also discuss the issue of confidential human sources and the FBI's opaque, yet aggressive deployment thereof within the broader American public and without oversight or accountability. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Hump Day! Get it done, LALiens. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer are here to get you rocking this morning. . You have heard by now about the emerging Russell Brand controversy. Norm made an appearance on Newsmax to discuss and he follows up that discussion here. Plus, the New York Post reports that the Federal Bureau of Investigation lost track of how many confidential human sources were in the crowd during the events of January 6, 2021. We dive back into the nature of CHS's. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
This is Law and Legitimacy (@LawPodDaily) for Tuesday, September 19, 2023, with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. . The NFL filed a grievance against the NFLPA alleging the latter's violation of the collective bargaining agreement. The arbitration will scrutinize a video conference organized by the league's elite running backs, including Austin Ekeler, Nick Chubb, Saquon Barkley, and Christian McCaffrey, and attended by several members of the NFLPA. . Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is suspending the dress code in the Senate because if Chuck can't have swag then no one else can either. . If anything, Mark Cuban is consistent. The Dallas Mavericks owner is the subject of a journalist's recent leak of a private message thread dating to 2021 in which Cuban declines to meet with the journalist unless she is up to date on her SAE needlepoint. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Welcome back! Norm and Mike bring you Law and Legitimacy for Monday, September 18, 2023. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Friday! . Norm and Mike finish the week talking more about the trial tax and federal sentencing guidelines on the news that cooperating witness on J6 is slated for sentencing on December 19, 2023. What is going on with the J6 grand jury? . Plus, UAW strike update and a little about TikTok. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
"This was a dark day—make no mistake about it—for the first amendment and for freedom of speech in the United States." . Good morning and welcome back to Law and Legitimacy. Norm traveled to DC in advance of his client's—Owen Shroyer—sentencing yesterday in Washington, D.C. Following the sentencing judge's order for 60 days in jail, Norm uses the LAL platform to give the ins and outs of the sentencing and sets the table for the forthcoming appeal. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
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We're loving the crew. The #LALiens. The ones in the stream chat before we go live letting us know we've a job to do. Do it we shall. Welcome to Law and Legitimacy: legal analysis as raw as the poppy fields in southwestern Asia. Hosted by Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. . Today: . › Liberty Safe, the company that manufacturers objects in which purchasers place items of significant personal value under lock and key, has decided it does not like running a successful business any longer. Hey, we all make our own choices. . › New York City has a Department of Homeless Services, affectionately referred to as the Department of Homelessness. Despite that totally legitimate arbitrage of public resources into the hands of unelected bureaucrats for allocation to important areas of homelessness—such as voter registration—Mayor Eric Adams is not confident New York City will survive the migrant crisis that sees 10,000 new migrants descend into the city every calendar month. . › The Brewers Association has 'warned' its constituent breweries of the looming government shutdown in the face of a Congressional impasse on the budget. Mike has guidance for breweries that vow not to be helpless. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning and welcome to Law and Legitimacy, perhaps the clearest, most salient independent voice in legal analysis and institutional legitimacy available in the western world. Thank you for being here. We are grateful. . Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer discuss: . › Terrorism and what is known in the legal field as the "trial tax." To draw comparison to the sentencing in the Proud Boys trial, Norm and Mike question how a DC jury can acquit a defendant convicted in a UN jurisdiction for terrorism for acts connected to none other than Osama Bin Laden. . › Constitutional Law 101: A Map of the Constitution. Installment #002. . › Senator Sheldon Whitehead wrote a letter to Justice Samuel Alito accusing the Supreme Court Justice of 'improper opinin.' Shut up, Sheldon. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Tuesday! We trust that the Labor Day holiday treated you well. Law and Legitimacy stayed true with Norm and Mike going live at the normal time. If you need a beat, take one and catch up on yesterday's discussion. . We have big topics today: . › A new Georgia law, S.B. 92, creates an 8-member 'Prosecuting Attorneys Oversight Commission,' which will being accepting formal complaints on October 1, 2023. Fulton County District Attorney is among the first within the crosshairs, ostensibly due to the prosecution of leading Republican candidate for President, Donald J. Trump, and 18 co-defendants. Is this formation of such a body constitutional? . › Elon Musk posted several times yesterday indicating an impetus and willingness to sue the Anti-Defamation League (the "ADL"), which he asserts is responsible for X's cratering advertising revenues. What legal bases might Elon have? . › Reformer and modern legend, Edward Jay Blum, has filed two (2) new lawsuits seeking to strike at the heart of affirmative action policies in the private sector. Mr. Blum is the attorney responsible for the successful outcomes at the Supreme Court this term, having representing both plaintiffs in their respective cases against Harvard and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for discriminatory admissions practices. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
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Good Morning one and all! Welcome to Law and Legitimacy, the daily law podcast hosted by Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer. You've summited another week and you're here with us. We thank you for that. . Ahead of the Labor Day weekend: . › Joseph Biggs was sentenced to 17 years for his conviction of seditious conspiracy related to his involvement in the events of January 6, 2021, at the U.S. Capitol. Zach Rehl, a co-defendant and fellow Proud Boy also convicted of seditious conspiracy, was sentenced to 15 years for his part. Norm debriefs and discusses. . › Vivek Ramaswamy: "If you can't smoke an addictive cigarette until you're 18, you shouldn't be able to use an addictive social media platform by the age of 15 or 16 either. Ban it." We'll have fun with this one. . › Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee has directed that all proceedings in the State's case against President Donald J. Trump will be televised. This is good. But why not also in federal court? . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and a Happy Thursday to you all. Welcome to Law and Legitimacy, the daily law podcast hosted by Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer that traces the contours of America's institutions as they intersect with the declining sense of the common good from the American citizenry. . Today: › We pick up the Bailey v. Iles decision from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, which held that the content of an individual's speech on social media was erroneously used as a basis for his subsequent arrest. . › We also pick up on the Supreme Court of the State of New York's ruling denying defendants' motion to dismiss a religious discrimination lawsuit in Lax et al. v. CUNY et al. . › United Auto Workers ("UAW") is threatening to strike if a deal is not reached between it and America's Big Three: General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis, by the September 14th deadline. The major concern? Electric vehicles and the current administration's plans to force the American automotive sector into unknown labor territory in its push to 'decarbonize'. . Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › X: https://twitter.com/LawPodDaily . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - X: @LawPodDaily, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and welcome again to Law and Legitimacy. It is Hump Day. Not that that really means much when one is due to be in a D.C. federal courthouse under certain and obvious headwinds. But for now you're here with us and we're here with you. We are grateful for and thank you for that.
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› The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit in Bailey v. Iles appears promising for those who believe in things as quaint as the first and fourteenth amendments.
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› Jane Coleman writes for Legal Insurrection regarding a religious discrimination lawsuit launched against CUNY by 5 of the school's Orthodox Jewish professors which has survived the schools motion to dismiss and will thus proceed forward.
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Good Morning and welcome to Law and Legitimacy! We begin this week on a Tuesday, as Norm has arrived in D.C. to carry on with federal prosecutors once again.
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› A June 2022 National Archives response to a Freedom of Information Act request by the Southeastern Legal Foundation reveals that then Vice President Biden may have transacted through pseudonymous email accounts on more than 5,000 emails.
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› Norm's trip to D.C. is to represent two (2) Proud Boys defendants in the sentencing proceedings behind their respective convictions on charges stemming from the events of January 6, 2023. Norm updates.
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› "Smart Cities," as they have been affectionately titled, appear to be emerging in real time. In Solano County, California, a group a notable Silicon Valley tech investors has secured all the available land around Travis Air Force Base with the intent of creating a new city from scratch.
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Well. We did it. Again. Together perhaps. And that is what is most important, right? We traversed another week of the rocky terrain of our shared reality. Together. Welcome back to Law and Legitimacy, where Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer discuss our common conceptions and right and common interest, and scrutinize the declining sense of legitimacy within American institutions.
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› The United States Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against Elon Musk's SpaceX, alleging employment discrimination on behalf of U.S. persons of the asylum and refugee varieties.
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› President Donald J. Trump submitted to his arrest in Fulton County, Georgia, yesterday. He has also made a change to his defense counsel in that case.
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› What Norm has affectionately called the "Return of Covidtopia," seems to be gaining momentum. Will Americans again avail themselves of emerging closures, mask mandates, distancing, tracing, and other measures that have rapidly evolved to define an hysteric era in American history?
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Good Morning #LALiens! Norm and Mike welcome you to Law and Legitimacy.
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Things be happening, don't they? It is Wednesday—Hump Day—and we welcome you to Law and Legitimacy. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer meet every weekday morning to discuss the metes and bounds of America's fleeting conceptions of moral right and common interests. If you are a free-thinker, a contrarian, or just unafraid of wandering beyond the Overton Window, subscribe to the channel.
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Norm recommended the book, "Camp of the Saints," to our viewers and listeners several times before. We want to know: should LAL make a play to grab the publishing rights? Welcome one and all to Law and Legitimacy: verbal volleys between two attorneys preoccupied with societal notions of common rights and interests in a world increasingly defined by a decline in pluralism. This is the definitive space for free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid.
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› Former Chief of Staff to President Donald J. Trump has motioned to dismiss the indictment brought against him by the State of Georgia.
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› A cyclist caught on surveillance camera burning a Trump flag in the front yard of a Raleigh, North Carolina, area has been identified and is being prosecuted.
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Good Morning #LALiens! Reality has curved Norm's path away from vacation, and Law and Legitimacy is locked in for another great week. Be sure to like this video, subscribe to the channel, and follow @LawPodDaily on X! .
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› Will the sweep and force of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the United States constitution really work without a hearing by some court of competent jurisdiction?
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› Vivek Ramaswamy continues his emergence. Norm posted over the weekend that he is all in on the 38 year-old candidate for President of the United States. Will America elect an intellectual as president?
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› Mark Meadows has filed a motion to dismiss the indictment against him filed by the State of Georgia, arguing that he is shielded by the Supremacy Clause, and further that the first and fourteenth amendments otherwise apply to preclude his prosecution.
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It feels wrong to bid congrats for merely making it through a full work week. But it feels right, too. Welcome back to Law and Legitimacy, where old souls living in the new world discuss the ebbs of flows of western morals as seen through our dominant institutions. We're glad to have you. Please like this video and make sure you're subscribed.
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› Does President Biden have a pseudonym other than 'Brandon'? Chairman of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, James Comer, sent a letter to the National Archives yesterday requiring disclosure of any information related to the President's use of the name 'Robert L. Peters'. Who knew?
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› The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals out of Maryland voted 2-1 in favor the Montgomery County School District in a case brought by parents of students in the district who sought to overturn the school's policy against informing parents of efforts to guide students through gender and sex change.
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› Sentencing briefs have been filed in United States v. Biggs, et al. Norm will be back in D.C. next week to finish his work with the Proud Boys defendants convicted of seditious conspiracy earlier this year in connection with the events of January 6, 2021.
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› Former President Donald J. Trump continues to dominate media. The LA Times has picked up the thread LAL streamed about regarding Section 3 to the 14th Amendment, Fulton County's Finest Fani wants to schedule trial in the Georgia case for March of 2024, and Trump himself has walked back his plan to disclose his information pertaining to election interference via social media on the advice and counsel of his attorneys.
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It's Thursday. You're thirsty. Are those two things related? Conspiracies certainly abound. Focus up, though. Law and Legitimacy is an on-time arrival with a crazy payload. Norm and Mike are out on the tarmac:
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› Patrick Bet-David's Valuetainment published an article describing that big financial institution with a color-geology combo name's efforts to take ESG brandless. How fashionable.
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› The PRC has begun implementation of an interim policy requiring that all artificial intelligence adhere to standards precluding development of technology in a manner calculated to subvert state power and overthrow of the socialist system.
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› Who is Judge Scott McAfee? We must admit: drawing the state's case against Donald J. Trump within six months of becoming a judge is a noteworthy feat.
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› A "nonviolent alcoholic" that sits on the couch and drinks too much beer has been charged for calling Judge Chutkan's chambers and communicating threats. Is the pot boiling, or is this a unique vantage on the same sort of hysteria in another recent context?
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Good Morning #LALiens! It's Hump Day, but this ain't a Tim O'Brien novel. This is Law and Legitimacy: the daily livestream hosted by Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer, for the free-thinkers, the contrarians, and the unafraid. Welcome to the new viewers and welcome back to the crew.
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› Michael Oher, former NFL offensive tackle and subject of the cringe 2009 biopic starring Sandra Bullock and Tim McGraw, has alleged that his adoptive family conned him into a conservatorship and they owe him money, or something.
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› The DeSantis Paradox is in full effect. The Florida Governor dismissed state prosecutor, Orlando's Monique H. Worrell, late last week for incompetence. You know us. We love that. But how do we reconcile the sheer stupidity of DeSantis' campaign for president alongside his obvious attributes and efficacy as a state-level executive?
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› "Freedom of Speech and AI Output" is an article published by Eugene Volokh, Mark A. Lemley and Peter Henderson, which argues that artificial intelligence creators should be given first amendment protections. Norm and Mike discuss.
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Good Morning #LALiens! There is very little we can say here to hedge against the rising tide of insanity, so we won't hedge. Things are insane. Top off your coffee, hit the thumb-up on the video, and share the link with a friend before we get started.
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› Held v. Montana is a Gen-Z masterpiece of astoundingly stupid proportions. Has the judiciary in Montana ever heard of standing?
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› Super-serious, extremely capable Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has charged President Donald J. Trump and a caravan of political namesakes in a criminal indictment stemming from 2020 election. For real this time. To the unredacted jurors, we salute.
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› Vivek Ramaswamy appeared on the Candace Owens Podcast late last week and really brought perspective to the meaning of professional performance. One might imagine a high school gym teacher trying to guard a young Allen Iverson's crossover from the top of the key. "I was trying to make him go left," O'Handley might say during the aftermath.
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Good Morning #LALiens! We trust you had a relaxing but productive weekend. We welcome all new viewers and listeners. Thank you for being here.
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› The NCAA's Committee on Infractions has rejected Michigan Head Football Coach Jim Harbaugh's negotiated resolution as previously discussed on LAL. What now?
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› More on Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution — How do allegations of rebellion and sedition portend to affect Donald J. Trump's candidacy for President of the United States?
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› Republican Candidate for President Vivek Ramaswamy appeared on Candace Owens Podcast to answer questions posed by prominent online figure, Rogan O'Handley (aka @DC_Draino). Mike watched and listened. Twice.
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Today, Norm and Mike discuss:
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› An emerging sentiment from the political right that Vivek's message is too on-the-nose
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› Video footage of the FBI's killing of Utah man, Craig Robertson, emerged on X yesterday. The contents of the arrest warrant on more important now than ever.
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› New law review article from William Baude and Michael Paulsen, "The Sweep and Force of Section Three, from the University Pennsylvania Law Review was published on August 9, 2023.
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Good Morning and Happy Thursday, #LALiens! Welcome to all of our new viewers and listeners. We are grateful to have you us.
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Today, Norm and Mike discuss:
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› The outcome of Andy Ngo's civil trial against Antifa;
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› Jack Smith executed a warrant for Donald J. Trump's Twitter direct messages, and Elon Musk was fined $350,000.00 for his attempt to preclude the same.
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Good Morning and Happy Hump Day, #LALiens! Welcome—contrarians, free-thinkers, and the unafraid—to Law and Legitimacy with Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer.
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› Norm reviews his latest read from Tom O'Neill, "Chaos: The Truth Behind the Manson Murders." What as the CIA up to with MKULTRA?
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› Politico reports the political party changes that have occurred within elected leadership across the country during 2023. Even if one were to concede an element of political opportunism, are the partisan jersey swaps not a valuable sign of the times within the American republic?
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Law and Legitimacy for Tuesday, August 8, 2023:
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› Trump's new legal counsel in the January 6th prosecution, John Lauro, appears to be publicly distancing himself from his client on the topic of pursuing recusal of Judge Chutkan. Norm gives his initial assessment of what such early discrepancies in the media foretell for Lauro's representation of Trump moving forward.
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› The Wall Street Journal is mad at Adam Schiff on the topic of a televised trial in United States of America v. Donald J. Trump. But is Schiff right?
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› News broke late yesterday of a fairly major deal between Canadian cannabis company, Tilray, and AB InBev—maker of Bud Light—for the latter's sale of eight (8) craft beer brands to the former. Mike has done some early stretching and is ready to climb atop the craft beer soapbox.
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› Happel v. Guilford County Board of Education is percolating in North Carolina's Court of Appeals. What sort of constitutional claim is ripe for the parents of a minor who was vaccinated against the coronavirus without the required express consent?
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Good Monday morning to you all! Norm and Mike convene for another week of Law and Legitimacy:
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› Conference Realignment Version 2023: The Pac-12 becomes the Pac-4, Big Ten and Big 12 emerge as super-conferences. What gives?
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› United States of America v. Donald J. Trump portends an unprecedented case in American jurisprudence for several notable reasons. Chief among them, however, is the question of who decides the "truth," and what sort of legal standard will the Department of Justice ask the court to arbitrage in its favor?
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› Republican candidate for President of the United States, Vivek Ramaswamy, appeared on Patrick Bet-David's podcast, which turned out to be a live town hall. What did we learn?
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Law and Legitimacy with @PattisNorm & @MichaelBoyer_:
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› Televised Trials — Pros and Cons
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› The Politics of the Trump Indictment — What Happens When the Law is an Ass?
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› Jury Nullification — Is It the Mechanism that Will Save the Republic?
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Law and Legitimacy is live at 8:00 am eastern with Norm Pattis & Michael Boyer to discuss:
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› Trump Indictment: How Will ‘Mens Rea’ Impact His Defense?
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› Collegiate Conference Realignment: Media Markets at War for Streaming Revenues
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We told you it would happen. Many moons ago. Being right does not suffice for anything. Norm and Mike break down the 45-page federal indictment in 23 CR 00257, United States of America v. Donald J. Trump:
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› Conspiracy to Defraud the United States
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› Conspiracy Against Rights
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Let's all give Norm a round of applause for absolutely crushing his first solo livestream yesterday! Flawless execution. Who needs Mike anyway?
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In all seriousness, thank you to all of you who dropped by at the later hour and stayed engaged as Norm unpacked a heavy, heavy topic regarding our federal Department of Justice, the looming indictment of President Donald J. Trump in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, and the nature of transhumanism and the burgeoning threat of artificial intelligence as a mechanism by which the human mind might be disembodied and 'live forever'. If you haven't, please go back and listen to Norm's pontification that Donald J. Trump might be the felt necessity of the times; a symbol of the defiant man who refuses to be governed by the threat of the ultimate algorithm.
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Today, we get back to the brand:
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› Indianapolis Colts star running back Jonathan Taylor is making headlines for his now very public discontent with the franchise, its owner Jim Irsay, and the NFL's contractual systems as collectively bargained that afford the Colts major leverage against Taylor in his fight for better positional compensation.
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› Devon Archer, former business partner to Hunter Hit-Them-Stones Biden, has testified in closed session before House Oversight Committee that President Joe Biden was a part of multiple video calls between Archer and Hunter during the course of then Vice President Biden's term. According to Archer, Hunter included his father the Vice President in an effort to wield "the Biden brand" and to instruct DC to intervene to remove Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in an effort to stall the ongoing investigation into Burisma. Whew boy. Cue the coordinated MSM damage control.
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› Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is playing the game. DA Willis is expected to ask a grand jury to hand down indictments stemming from allegations of a conspiracy to overturn Georgia's 2020 presidential election results. With Jack Smith having just issued a superseding indictment in the classified documents case, and with Trump's lawyers indicating that charges in connection with J6 are imminent, the reporting around DA Willis' handling of this case makes for a great season of House of Cards. What are the claims of personnel safety risks about? And why is DA Willis on record speaking to the lack of coordination between her office and special prosecutor Jack Smith?
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Hello, #LALiens! Norm attempts his first solo flight on the livestream! Mike is tending to family matters, but will rejoin in due course. In the meantime, make sure Norm feels the love and cut him some slack on the tech stuff in the meantime.
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Today, Norm talks the impending indictment of Donald J. Trump in connection with the events of January 6, 2021.
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It's Thursday. You're thirsty. We get it. Top off your mug and settle in.
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› Hunter Biden is almost certain to go to prison. How do we know? Relevant offense conduct.
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› Kevin Spacey has been acquitted of the numerous sexual assault charges. Maybe we can enlist his help to turn House of Cards here in American back into fiction.
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› Senate Minority Leader 'Cocaine' Mitch McConnell had himself a moment on camera during a press conference Wednesday, but what can we the voters do about it?
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› President Trump created Space Force. And here we are, watching with levels of incredulity previously unimaginable as congressional testimony is offered regarding the presence of alien life on planet earth. It is almost like a mega-famous celebrity-athlete's 18 year-old son went into cardiac arrest, or the body of a live-in chef was found at the bottom of a pond at a former president's estate at Martha's Vineyard or something.
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Good Morning #LALiens and Happy Hump Day! Yesterday's stream and attendance were incredible. If you are a new arrival, welcome! For our regulars, hold it down in the chat!
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Today, Norm and Mike attempt to satisfy the platform tag police (yeah, we see you):
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› NFL contracts are in the news. Los Angeles Chargers' franchise quarterback, Justin Herbert, and the team have agreed to a 5-year extension that makes Herbert the highest paid at the position by annual salary. By contrast, the running back position across the NFL continues to cheapen, highlighted by New York Giants star, Saquon Barkley, signing a one-year deal just to avoid a prolonged holdout a la Leveon Bell. What is to blame for the disparity?
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› As teased at the end of yesterday's stream, the Wall Street Journal published a piece entitled, "The Rise and Fall of the Chief Diversity Officer." The Journal also published a piece entitled "The Hidden Cost of Being Overweight," which tracks the new legal pressures being applied in New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts to join Michigan in listing weight as a characteristic protected from discrimination. There is a saying in the south that goes something like, "that's like going around one's butt to get to one's elbow," that seems appropriate here.
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› Advice to New Law Students: Ilya Somin writes for the Volokh Conspiracy and lists four (4) pieces of advice to law students beginning their law school journeys this fall. Norm and Mike review this list and each offer a piece of advice of their own.
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We appreciate your pardon for yesterday's last-minute notice. Norm and Mike are back in full swing for today's stream:
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› With the 23rd overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings selected the wide receiver from the University of Southern California, Jordan Addison. Shortly after Friday's stream, it was reported that Addison had been stopped by the Minnesota State Highway Patrol for going 140 mph in a 55 mph zone. Addison was not arrested. Later on Friday, Addison released a statement apologizing for the incident, but curiously without citing an emergency with his dog.
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› Jonathan Turley published an article analyzing the troubling view many modern American journalists that "misinformation" is somehow not speech protected by the first amendment to the United States constitution.
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› "Just Let Breweries Mail Beer Already, Congress" is an article published in VinePair, in which Dave Infante lays out the case for allowing breweries to utilize the United States Postal Service to mail beer directly to customers in any of the 50 states. Mike knows a bit about this topic and sees it in perhaps a different way. Has the beer industry earned this sort of congressional call to action?
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› The Wall Street Journal published "The Rise and Fall of the Chief Diversity Officer" late last week, detailing the shrinking demand of the executive leadership role which was largely invisible until the summer of 2020. What does the retraction in the market for chiefing a company's diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts signal?
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It's Friday. Let's have a little fun. After a couple of quickies, Norm and Mike shift into #AMA mode and take questions from the live chat.
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Quickies:
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› USA Today reports a draft bill that would create an entity known as the College Athletics Corporation which would oversee a broad set of new regulations attendant to college athletics, including the hotly debated topic of NIL.
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› Remember Tirien Steinbach, the Stanford Law DEI administrator who sympathized with the toddlers shouting down Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals Judge, Kyle Duncan? Yeah, she gone.
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› NYPD announced a $13M settlement for 1,300 plaintiffs in a class action lawsuit over police treatment of BLM protestors during the George Floyd riots in 2020. What's more? Norm and Mike just realized that New York Attorney General Letitia James sued the NYPD in January of 2021 seeking the implementation of an 'external monitor' to oversee changes in riot response protocol.
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› #AMA: Type your questions into the live chat for Norm and/or Mike to answer.
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Be contrarian. Be correct. Must one choose between the two? Vivek Ramaswamy does not believe so. Nor does Law and Legitimacy. After all, we are for the contrarians, the free-thinkers, and the unafraid. Welcome to our new subscribers, followers, and viewers. Welcome back to the crew we look forward to seeing in the livestream chats every morning.
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Today, Norm and Mike handle some unfinished business:
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› Jason Aldean is the subject of immense scrutiny and censorship after the debut of the official music video to his song, "Try That in a Small Town". Has Trump found his new campaign song?
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› AB InBev survived a complaint filed with the Beer Institute which claimed its Bud Light social media campaign with Dylan Mulvaney violated prohibitions on soliciting underage drinking.
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› Michigan AG Dana Nessel announced charges against 16 Michigan electors from the 2020 presidential election. How does American history inform our understanding about the role of electors, expectations of how they behave, and is the AG's move a stunt to facilitate adoption of National Popular Vote Interstate Compact Act?
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Good morning and welcome to Law and Legitimacy. In today's stream, Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer cover:
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› President Donald J. Trump to be indicted in connection with the events of January 6, 2021.
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› Charles Barkley apparently really loves Bud Light.
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› Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel announced charges against 16 Michigan electors in connection with alleged crimes stemming from the 2020 presidential election.
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How incredible is @LawPodDaily on Twitter? We're having a blast. Law and Legitimacy returns this beautiful Tuesday morning with a view for chasing the dark arts. What do we mean?
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› RFK Jr.'s sister has now publicly condemned comments RFK did not make. To what sort of spellcasting do we owe the privilege of watching mainstream media arbitrage the most powerful brand of American outrage? Could it be that one of Gavin Newsom or Michelle Obama intends an imminent announcement of presidential significance?
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› John Locke's Second Treatise is required reading for every 1L. It is in the Law and Legitimacy syllabus. We continue today with an analysis of Locke's view of the right of the individual to resist.
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› Mark Rutte, the former Netherlands Prime Minister, has resigned, after the Dutch government failed to reach an agreement that would have tightened immigration policy in a country that has seen a dramatic rise in migrant arrivals over the last several years. Is the Netherlands the canary in the metaphorical coal mine for the whole of the West?
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› The United States District Court for the District of Connecticut has ruled that a law enforcement officer's use of an iPhone to see through a vehicles tinted windows does not violate the fourth amendment's guard against unreasonable searches and seizures. Norm and Mike unpack the Order from Judge Jeffrey Meyer in United States v. Christopher Poller.
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It's a new week! Law and Legitimacy welcomes the many new subscribers and invites each of you to engage in the chat and get to know your fellow #LALiens. Last week ended with a bang, as Norm and Mike interviewed Jimmy Vallee about the SDNY's ruling in SEC v. Ripple Labs, Inc. If you haven't done yourself the favor, double back for that extended daily episode. Give it a like, a retweet, a share, and a comment.
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Norm and Mike begin the week with a strong front of strivers in the world of legitimacy:
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› The 20 year-old Spaniard, Carlos Alcaraz, put on a decisive performance in his 2023 Wimbledon Championship win. Mike shares his intrigue with the 4th set of the 3rd game.
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› Norm is re-reading John Locke's Second Treatise on Government with a particular emphasis on the distinction between consent and acquiescence. Calling all law students!
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› Republican candidate for president, Vivek Ramaswamy, is surging big time. Norm and Mike have been talking about Vivek for months. There is no doubt the millennial capitalist is way talented and extraordinarily charismatic. How do we get him to drop by Law and Legitimacy?
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› RFK Jr. made headlines over the weekend with his remarks concerning the studies showing COVID's varying impact on ethnicities from around the world. Is the media treating his words fairly?
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Good morning and Happy Friday #LALiens! We're capping off an incredible week with addition of a surprise guest for today's stream.
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Law and Legitimacy welcomes back a familiar face from the realm of blockchain, Jimmy Vallee. The court in SEC v. Ripple Labs issued a landmark order yesterday on the parties' cross-motions for summary judgment respecting Ripple's sales of its blockchain token, XRP.
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Good Morning, #LALiens! Are you following @LawPodDaily on Twitter yet? At 500 followers, Norm and Mike will do something special for the audience. Details to come.
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There is a tremendous amount happening it once. Today, Norm and Mike patiently unpack:
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› Several new developments in the Department of Justice's prosecutions in connection with the events of January 6, 2021: (i) Ray Epps has filed a civil complaint alleging defamation against Fox, claiming that the DOJ has imminent plans to prosecute him criminally for his activity at the Capitol; (ii) the DOJ has also moved to appeal the sentences of Oath Keepers convicted of Seditious Conspiracy, including the sentence of Stewart Rhodes, indicating a clear dissatisfaction with the lengths of the convicted defendants' respective and forthcoming incarceration; and (iii) an Orlando, Florida, based actor, James Beeks, has been acquitted of the charges filed against him in connection with J6—and Beeks was a pro se litigant.
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› Having had an opportunity to watch and listen to Ep. 9 of Tucker on Twitter, Norm joins Mike in analyzing the essence of the interview.
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› Elon Musk announced via Twitter yesterday the launch of xAI with a tweet reading, "Announcing formation of @xAI to understand reality." Elon then hosted a Twitter Space in the evening and was joined by Ro Khanna and Mike Gallagher to discuss the premise of xAI, the challenges facing humanity related to the emergence of artificial intelligence, China's influence and role in that emergence, and the need for useful regulations attendant to A.I.'s development. We are fortunate to have Norm to offer a historical and philosophical perspective on the nature of what we conceive as our shared reality.
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It is Wednesday, July 12th, 2023. NATO curved Ukraine. Blackrock's CEO has Bitcoin in his mouth. And you're here with us on Law and Legitimacy. Welcome back to the initiated #LALiens among you. Welcome to the first-timers. Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer convene every weekday morning at 8:00am eastern to volley the essence of law and its intersection with our common conceptions of right in an increasingly stressed and frenetic western society. That is, what is law without a foundational sense of legitimacy?
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› Edward Lang v. the United States of America has been petitioned to the Supreme Court of the United States. Mike referenced Norm's involvement in an additional case with an additional defendant in cases arising out of the events of January 6, 2021, on the solo stream. On petition for certiorari, Norm joins Steve Metcalf in asking the Court to overturn an appellate court's breathtaking misapplication of a federal criminal statute against one Edward Lang. This is decidedly a case with major implications on the protections afforded every American citizen by and through the first amendment to the United States Constitution. Will the Court grant cert?
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› Tucker on Twitter Ep. 9 debuted yesterday evening. Tucker Carlson's roughly 2 and-a-half hour interview with Andrew Tate is, as Mike describes, a meditation on the human essence. If one only makes it halfway through, one is still blessed with unvarnished analysis of due process and systems of justice, the "matrix" and the marriage between MSM and global influences, masculine essence and programmed depression, the male tendency to bond through suffering, tiers of government corruption, extreme ownership and accountability for self, racism and the division of lower classes along cosmetic lines, western malaise and unbridled immigration, and more. As of this stream, the interview has 37 million views in roughly 14 hours. Epic.
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› The Prime Minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, resigned after the Dutch government failed to reach an agreement that would have tightened immigration policy in a country that has seen a dramatic rise in migrant arrivals over the last several years. Is the Netherlands the canary in the metaphorical coal mine for the whole of the West?
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Good Morning, #LALiens! Thank you for joining, giving this stream a thumbs-up, subscribing to Law and Legitimacy. Yesterday was a lot of fun. Mike felt the love on his first solo LAL flight. Norm rejoins Mike in the cockpit this morning and the two navigate the turbulence of a western culture in crisis.
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› Norm updates on the conditions of confinement for J6 detainees in DC detention facilities.
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› Mark Rutte, the former Netherlands Prime Minister, has resigned, after the Dutch government failed to reach an agreement that would have tightened immigration policy in a country that has seen a dramatic rise in migrant arrivals over the last several years. Is the Netherlands the canary in the metaphorical coal mine for the whole of the West?
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› The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in a split 2-1 decision sided with North Carolina State University in a lawsuit brought forth by a former tenured doctoral professor in the institution's education department which claimed violations of his first and fourteenth amendment rights and unlawful retaliation. The opinion cites Professor Stephen Porter's lack of collegiality as the lawful basis for his termination. What is going on in higher education?
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Good Morning and Happy Monday #LALiens! Law and Legitimacy is back on its normal schedule this week. Streams begin at 8:00am eastern for the foreseeable future. Again, a word of gratitude for those of you who adjusted your schedules and joined us over the lunch hour last week. Mike's tan also sends its regards.
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Speaking of Mike, he is flying solo today. Norm is deep in the heart of trial prep and while LAL is his first love, every self-respecting attorney knows the rules: the client is the main event.
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Let's see what happens! Mike offers a couple of items to listeners and viewers before indulging a brief #AMA:
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› C.S. Lewis's "The Screwtape Letters" is something that Mike comes back to time and time again. This morning, Chapter 28 is resonating loudly. What does Uncle Screwtape say about keeping the human patient 'safe'? And what insight does that excerpt offer us under current social conditions?
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› North Carolina's citizens affirmatively voted to implement voter identification in 2018. The NAACP sued to bar enforcement, citing discriminatory animus by the legislature and North Carolina's sordid history with racism. With many of the procedural hurdles for the law now cleared, the case appears ready to resume later this month and the North Carolina Board of Elections is preparing for voter identification implementation in all statewide municipal elections later this year. What is it that Mike always says about North Carolina?
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Good afternoon and Happy Friday, #LALiens! Norm and Mike are back today for the final 12:30pm livestream of the week and for the foreseeable future. Law and Legitimacy will return to the normal 8:00 am eastern time slot beginning Monday, July 10, 2023. We extend our gratitude for all of you who have adjusted your schedules to be with us this week. We take nothing for granted.
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If you are not following LAL on Twitter (@PattisPodcast), you should! We just published the first installments in a series of LAL Hot Takes—short-form bursts of written content giving what we hope to be unique perspectives on topical events at the intersection of law and legitimacy. Check it out.
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› The New York Times Reports: L. Lin Wood, Lawyer Who Tried to Overturn Trump’s 2020 Loss, Gives Up License — Norm and Mike review LAL's past coverage of high profile attorneys taking advantage of the populist sentiment regarding the illegitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. What does this revelation say about the broader narrative assigned to the 2020 election?
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› JUDGE TERRY A. DOUGHTY has issued a preliminary injunction in State of Missouri v. Biden — the case alleges that the Biden administration by and through the various named defendants engaged in public pressure campaigns, private meetings, and other forms of communication regarding what the Biden administration defines as "disinformation," "misinformation," and "malinformation" to collude with and coerce social media platforms to disfavor certain speakers, viewpoints, and content across those same social media platforms.
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Welcome back to the best half-hour in the world of law podcasts. We hope you had a blast over the Fourth of July. Thank you to those #LALiens that joined us yesterday for our holiday-themed stream! If you missed it, go back and watch.
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Today, Norm and Mike convene for some weightier topics:
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› Tyler Pager writes for the Washington Post: "Biden faces renewed pressure to embrace Supreme Court overhaul" — Of course he does. It was a campaign promise, after all. But what is the realistic outlook for the future of the Supreme Court's construction? And haven't we been here before?
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› Bloomberg reports: "ChatGPT Creator OpenAI Sued for Theft of Private Data in ‘AI Arms Race’" and Natasha Tiku writes for the Washington Post: "How elite schools like Stanford became fixated on the AI apocalypse" — After a week in which Elon Musk came under fire for the significant slowdown and seemingly arbitrary rate limitations placed on Twitter users, the question is being re-asked, "what is going on with artificial intelligence?" Norm and Mike discuss the softness of higher ed's inquiries into A.I.'s threats to mankind while also threading the theme of whether the humans in charge of sector innovation are really to blame for the unmoored development of A.I. over the last several years.
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Norm and Mike wish you all a Happy Fourth of July! As promised at the end of yesterday's stream, today's half-hour segment of Law and Legitimacy will focus on enduring principles of our American republic, and a few minutes for the live chat to throw questions for real-time answer. As always, we thank you for being with us.
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Norm and Mike will be streaming live this week, beginning at 12:30pm eastern on Monday (7/3) and 12:00pm eastern for the balance of the week!
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Mike is in a remote location and Norm is in the office. Same great stream, same great content. We will return to normal one week from today.
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Good Morning #LALiens and Happy Friday! What a week it has been. Let's finish strong. If this is your first time with Law and Legitimacy, Welcome! We appreciate very much your time and attention. You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us. All we ask? Share Law and Legitimacy with one person when we earn it.
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The Supreme Court of the United States. What's there to say? The end of the October 2022 Term is taking a drive through the old neighborhood. It didn't used to be like this, don't you know? In all seriousness, June 29th's published opinions are historic. Norm and Mike convene to discuss:
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› Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College/Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. University of North Carolina, et al. — Chief Justice John Roberts delivered the 6-3 majority opinion of the Court, which struck down the institutions' respective race-based admissions procedures as unconstitutional violations of equal protection. The reactions on the internet—especially those from supposed lawyers—have been dreadful (dredful?).
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› Groff v. DeJoy, while overshadowed in large measure by the landmark equal protection decision in Harvard, delivered a major win for Title VII and the protection of the individual from discrimination based on one's religion. Norm and Mike set the stage for this opinion a little while back.
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› #AMA! Norm and Mike devote a few more minutes to accommodate a Q&A session with the #LALiens in the live chat. Send your questions!
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Good morning and Happy Thursday, #LALiens! Thank you for being with us. If you are new to Law and Legitimacy, greet us in the chat and enjoy the warm company. All we ask? Share the stream with one person.
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Today, Norm and Mike tackle:
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› North Carolina State Attorney General Josh Stein is the named defendant in Planned Parenthood v. Stein, the lawsuit brought to overturn North Carolina's new law banning abortion after 12 weeks. Stein is also running for Governor of North Carolina in the 2024 election. His recent public announcement as to his decision not to defend the duly enacted law passed by the North Carolina legislature presents an important question about the duties of the office of the State Attorney General, Stein's loyalties to the profession and obligations to his client, and whether his political ambitions have reached an inflection point in the simmering potential for a conflict of interest between the two roles.
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› As first reported by Sports Illustrated, the NCAA released a memo yesterday advising member institutions through a series of FAQ's of member obligations under the NIL rules. Of particular note is the NCAA's clear position that state law is inferior to NCAA policy. Norm and Mike discuss.
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› The question presented to the Supreme Court of the United States in Harper v. Moore was whether a state's judicial branch may nullify federal elections regulations through judicially created rules of its own. SCOTUS says 'nope.' Norm and Mike discuss.
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Yo, #LALiens, guess what day it is?
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HUMP DAY! Thank you for joining us for another delectable half-hour of sautéed Saint Augustine, Law and Legitimacy. We'd like to give a special shoutout to the OG's, BTL, Carta, FreedomLover, Luttrelll, and the gang. You make the endurance race this is a true joy.
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Today, Norm and Mike analyze:
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› The SCOTUS decision in Counterman v. Colorado — How did the Court reconcile the True Threats exception to the first amendment's free speech guarantee?
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› The First Amendment in the Workplace — Norm shares some dark humor through a real story as it developed within his law office this week.
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› More on North Carolina's State Attorney General, Josh Stein, and the case of Planned Parenthood v. Stein, and intervening defendants, Phil Berger and Tim Moore.
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› Bud Light continues to crash. Mike offers some insight from his experience with the world of beer.
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It is a beautiful Tuesday morning to talk legitimacy. Mike shared a 6-hour podcast with Norm last night so it is 50/50 on whether Norm makes it to the stream this morning. We haven't checked, but we've heard oddsmakers put a line on Draft Kings for this one.
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If you're wagering against Norm, you've picked the wrong season. We're stacking wins around here. Ask Yale. We digress. Today, the stream focuses in on technical, almost mechanical details of government and justice system functions. This is a major tenant of institutional legitimacy—how the public trust is managed by and through the institutions within which it has been placed:
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› The Idaho Tribune reports that the Idaho Republican Party has passed a resolution condemning the Federal Bureau of Investigation and further indicated that it supports abolition thereof if it cannot be reformed. Cool story, bro. What is most interesting, however, is the contents of the resolution used to support the condemnation.
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› Planned Parenthood v. Stein continues to develop. The plaintiff's motion for a temporary restraining order is set to be heard tomorrow, March 28, 2023, in Greensboro, North Carolina. In monitoring court filings, Mike found a plaintiff submission indicating that the North Carolina legislature had met and voted just last week to approve certain amendments to the abortion law at issue, which portend to moot the overwhelming majority of the plaintiff's basis for relief.
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› Finally, we do it. We talk about eminent domain in South Dakota and what's going on with the carbon capture pipeline project spearheaded by Summit Carbon Solutions. What is environmental justice? This administration keeps uttering the phrase, but it is not obvious that anything just is occurring below the ground, in the air, or within the courts on the issue of carbon capture and storage.
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Good Monday Morning #LALiens! We are hoping you're enjoying the longest days of summer and looking forward to our nation's holiday is over a week's time.
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Norm and Mike were unable to stream over the weekend, but not to worry. Today's stream is bringing the heat:
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› Norm had an early triumph over Yale University late last week, as he successfully persuaded the court to allow his client's defamation claim proceed against a Yale University student who falsely alleged rape against him in 2015. Norm and Mike unpack Title IX.
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› Loyal LAL listeners will recall the story of the attorneys in a civil suit out of the Southern District of New York who submitted briefs to the court which cited cases generated out of whole cloth by ChatGPT. Those attorneys have been sanctioned by the court. Was the punishment sufficient?
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› Late last week, North Carolina's State Attorney General and Democrat Governor hopeful, Josh Stein, took to Twitter in what can only be called an advertisement of his own direct subversion of duly enacted North Carolina law. In particular, SCOTUS' decision in Dobbs to overturn Roe v. Wade resulted in North Carolina's legislature voting to enact a new bill placing limits on abortion, which was promptly vetoed by Governor Roy Cooper, who's veto was subsequently overridden by two-thirds of North Carolina's legislature. In the latest, North Carolina's top lawyer has now promised not to defend the parts of the law he himself disagrees with, in a lawsuit brought by Planned Parenthood. Is this meme of the American constitutional republic impeachable?
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Good Morning #LALiens! Another week has flown by. We trust you're using the 23 hours and 30 minutes we leave you with to your full advantage each and every weekday. Your presence with us in the mornings fills us with humility and gratitude. Thank you for putting your trust in us to parse the merits of legitimacy.
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Today, Norm and Mike end the week with a bang:
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› The show opens with an update from Norm regarding his representation of Owen Schroyer, his change of plea in the J6 case, and the current conflict hearing in the Proud Boys case.
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› Led by Massachusetts State Attorney General Andrea Joy Campbell, 14 other state attorneys general wrote and sent a letter to Target Chairman and CEO, Brian Cornell, in an affirmative display of support for the embattled publicly traded company behind widespread boycotts of the brand in connection with its displays, marketing, and promotions of trans products for young children. Norm and Mike deconstruct the letter, the states and people whose names appear in it, and whether this move was necessarily designed to help Target.
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› SUNDAY (6/25) AT 2:00pm EASTERN — LAL picks up on the facts as reported out of the greater South Dakota region, involving Summit Carbon Solutions—a carbon capture and storage company—and the ongoing efforts to construct the world's largest carbon capture and storage project. First, what is eminent domain? How is the legal tool wielded by a private company? And to what end are farmer's real property rights being infringed?
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Good Morning #LALiens! We are blessed that you choose to spend this half-hour with us, and we recognize the blessing it is to be with you. Thank you for your support. And for the newcomers, welcome! You have stumbled upon the most dynamic daily half-hour livestreams on the internet in Law and Legitimacy. Our mission is to explore the boundaries of the American republic's durability; what great men have long called our common conceptions of right and common interests—legitimacy.
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Today, Norm Pattis and Michael Boyer keep it light:
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› Bloomberg published an article titled, "An Aggressive Supreme Court Reshapes US as Its Standing Erodes." The crew deconstructs what has become an obvious point of attack on the Article 3 branch of the United States government. What sticks?
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› There is a story gaining momentum out of South Dakota shedding light on what appears to be a blatant and patterned strategy of trespass and willful violation of private real property rights by Summit Carbon Solutions. Farmers in South Dakota have begun mounting a legal defense to the widespread encroachment on fertile, productive, privately-owned farmland in favor of a pipeline surveying and construction across 5 states regarded as the world's largest carbon capture and storage project.
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› An odd juxtaposition: the deadly migrant shipwreck off the coast of Greece and the missing submersible of the coast of New Foundland. Norm assesses the imbalance in reporting, resource allocation, and perceived importance of the two contemporaneous events.
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Kodak Black's "I Can't Lie" is playing as these show notes are typed out. Perhaps fitting as we welcome you to the most honest livestream and law podcast on the internet, Law and Legitimacy. And we can't lie: Rumble is letting us down. The good news is that we have you here to listen, engage, and share.
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Today:
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› It is being reported that Hunter Biden will plead guilty to two federal tax charges and will be allowed to enter a diversion program in connection with the remaining federal gun charge. To channel the youth: where they do that at?
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› Hundreds of migrants have been reported dead as a result of a shipwreck off the coast of Greece in deep waters of the Mediterranean. It appears there is a simmering narrative pointing blame at the Greek Coast Guard, as survivors are interviewed and data from the hours preceding the wreck is analyzed. Is western society suffering from moral exhaustion? What is one's duty to intervene?
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› There is a well-known concept in torts used by defendant's in civil suits claiming negligence called "assumption of the risk." While one cannot necessarily contract away his own negligence, are there circumstances that exceed the boundaries of society's expectations of reasonable behavior such that one assumes the risk of another's negligence by submitting to conduct that, in and of itself, might be validly deemed negligent? Norm and Mike talk about the missing Titanic submersible and the apparent business of retail deep sea exploration.
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It's Tuesday. That means but one thing: Law and Legitimacy is back to wax poetic as to the perceived limits of our dear republic's durability. And we get it. Things are weird. But we have each other and we have this sacred thirty minutes every weekday to stream our consciousness into the future for the ears of those we will never meet. Trippy!
Today:
› The Carolina Journal reports that North Carolina House Speaker Tim Moore has been sued by one Scott Lassiter—middle school principal and member of the Wake County Soil and Water Conservation District Board of Supervisors—for his alleged role in breaking up Mr. Lassiter's marriage to his wife, Jamie Lassiter. Lassiter alleges that Moore had an affair with his wife, which resulted in the destruction of the marriage. Alienation of affection anyone?
› Norm and Mike review an article in the New Criterion and written by Peter Thiel entitled, "The diversity myth." How old is America's preoccupation with cosmetic diversity as a means by strenuous advocates justify efforts toward material social and institutional change? How silly was it then? How silly is it now?
› For LAL's daily dose of cognitive dissonance, we present: "A Tale of Unwanted Disruption: My Week Without Amazon."
Honorable Mention: Hall of Fame Women's Coach Defends Title IX; RFK Jr. Appearances Being Censored on Major Video Platforms
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Good Morning and Happy Monday #LALiens! We hope you had a wonderful Father's Day weekend. Thank you for being here with us to begin the week.
On today's stream:
› The Starbucks manager that oversaw the Rittenhouse Square location that went viral in 2018 for refusing to allow two (2) non-customers to use the restroom and which ended with police arrests has been given a gigantic jury award in her civil case against Starbucks for wrongful termination.
› The Justice Department issued a press release that it has charged six (6) people in connection with the buying and selling of human remains stolen from Harvard Medical School.
› RFK Jr. appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast late last week. Over the weekend, a "vaccine expert", Dr. Peter Hotez, openly criticized Joe Rogan for hosting RFK and for catering to RFK's brand of "misinformation." Joe defended the effort, and was supported by none other than Elon Musk.
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Good Morning #LALiens! Happy Friday! Thank you for the grace during our brief hiatus yesterday. Norm was busy arguing in the 8th Circuit yesterday and while LAL is a major priority, there is no priority greater than that of advocating liberty in front of a federal court in these United States.
Today, Norm and Mike reconvene and catch up before the weekend:
› Norm breaks down the case he has taken on behalf of individuals who were prescribed the 'controversial' Ivermectin by their physicians, but whose prescriptions were denied to be filled by a Minnesota Walmart's pharmacy.
The European Union has drafted a law intended to limit and regulate artificial intelligence
› Episode 4 of Tucker on Twitter debuted last night: "Wannabe Dictator"
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Good Morning and welcome to the most vital law podcast and daily livestream on the internet. If you're here, you have exceptional taste; uncommon, even. And for that, you are an honorary #LALien. Law and Legitimacy focuses on the ties that bind us as a society; our conceptions of right and common interest. We're honored to have you and grateful that you have chosen to spend your time with us. It is not in vain.
Today, Norm and Mike take repose from the presidential frenzy and discuss:
› Esteemed American novelist and playwright, Cormac McCarthy, passed away yesterday at the age of 89. Cormac was not only a tremendous influence on American literary history and culture, but a lightning bolt in the life of one Norm Pattis. Norm shares.
› The Free Press's Ethan Strauss published an article entitled, "The NCAA Has a 'Hot Girl' Problem" — Mike takes the opportunity to reassert his position on the declining utility of the term "student-athlete" and why the Cavinder Twins in all of their remarkable beauty and ambition are the billboard for two key propositions that endure in American life.
› Mitchell v. University of North Carolina Board of Governors — a case being petitioned to the North Carolina Supreme Court attacks North Carolina's deference to administrative and regulatory agencies. The topic is on the docket at SCOTUS as well. What is the Chevron standard? Is it to blame for what Mike refers to as a permanent bureaucratic layer inhibiting competent American commerce?
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Good Morning, #LALiens! We are feeling the love. Thank you for the continued support and daily engagement. For newcomers, welcome to Law and Legitimacy—the platform devoted to the contrarian, the free-thinker, and the unafraid. Our purpose here to is explore the boundaries of what we call 'legitimacy'; our common conceptions of right and common interest and how such relates to the reserves of institutional power within our daily lives. We are honored to have you.
The NBA Finals have crowned a champion! The Denver Nuggets took care of business at home last night, smacking the Miami Heat in Game 5 to earn the franchise its first-ever title. Nikola Jokic is the Finals MVP, because who else?
Today, Norm and Mike have a full plate:
› Former President and Leading Republican Candidate for President Donald J. Trump arrived in Miami yesterday ahead of his scheduled arraignment today before the Federal District Court for the Southern District of Florida in connection with criminal charges stemming from the classified documents found at his Mar-a-Lago estate.
› The Washington Examiner and The Post Millennial report: President Joe Biden and son, Hunter Biden, were caught on a combined 17 audio recordings discussing the removal of the then Chief Prosecutor investigating the Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, as well as financial payments to secure the removal and how to structure the transactions to best avoid scrutiny. The person on the other side of the phone? The CEO of Burisma.
› Axios reports that Tucker Carlson has received a cease and desist letter from Fox News alleging that Carlson's new show, "Tucker on Twitter," violates his contract's noncompete clause. Tucker is slated to air his next installment of Tucker on Twitter, Episode 3, today. According to Tucker's producer, Justin Wells, the next episode will focus on the federal indictment of President Donald J. Trump.
› A North Carolina case which portends to reduce judicial deference to the exercise of administrative authority has a chance to reach the North Carolina Supreme Court. The Carolina Journal published an opinion piece from The John Locke Foundation's senior political analyst, Mitch Kokai, detailing the issue at the heart of Mitchell v. North Carolina Board of Governors. North Carolina's appellate court ruled against the terminated-professor, 2-1. Professor Mitchell now petitions the North Carolina Supreme Court for redress, supported by an amicus brief from Jon Guze, The John Locke Foundation's top legal expert.
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Good Morning, #LALiens! Thank you to all of you who joined the Sunday Special stream yesterday. We had a blast and a wonderful turnout.
Today, Norm and Mike recap the Sunday Special and discuss:
› The Politics of the Trump Indictment
› The Securities and Exchange Commission has Charged Coinbase US, a crypto asset trading platform, with violations of federal securities laws
› What is the proposition behind venture capital's suggestion that generative artificial intelligence will be the end of law school?
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Welcome to a Sunday Special of Law and Legitimacy! Norm and Mike will deliver an in-depth analysis of the indictment of former President and current leading candidate for President of the United States, Donald J. Trump in connection with allegations of improper conduct and obstruction related to classified documents held at the Mar-a-Lago estate.
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There are many more counts included in the Southern District of Florida's indictment than previously thought, reported, or expected, totaling 31. After a thorough read of the indictment, Norm and Mike discuss the apparent merit of the government's case, the relative wisdom or lack thereof of the former president, and what the two expect the case to pivot upon as the procedural process takes shape.
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It is difficult to know exactly where to start when analyzing something that appears on its face to be of real historical consequence. First reported directly by former President Donald J. Trump late yesterday afternoon via his Truth Social account, the Department of Justice has communicated to President Trump's legal team that it has brought an indictment against their client in connection with the DOJ's months-long investigation into allegations of improper handling of classified information in the former President's possession at his Mar-a-Lago estate.
If the morning seems still and the commentary somber, your eyes and your ears do not betray you. Norm and Mike in this stream attempt to peel back the calcified layers of narrative that have crusted a development barely 12 hours old. On the same day Congress receives testimony indicating the sitting President accepted millions in his capacity as Vice President in a quid pro quo to influence the governmental affairs of a foreign nation, which foreign nation now happens to be siphoning hundreds of billions from American taxpayers in a war effort for which America has yet to even generally agree on a purpose—the former President and leading candidate for President in the upcoming 2024 election has reportedly been indicted, for a second time.
Yes, we expect at least two (2) additional indictments: Georgia and D.C. for election interference and seditious conspiracy respectively. That knowing does not blunt the blows, however.
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Good morning, LALiens! Thank you for being here. We recognize what a blessing it is to earn a half-hour or so of your time every weekday.
Mike was a night-owl last night, streaming with a couple of friends from a fantasy football league. And guess what? The Denver Nuggets smacked the Miami Heat in Miami to go up 2-1 in the NBA Finals series. Jokic is channeling the ghost of Russell Westbrook, becoming a walking triple-double before our very eyes.
Today, Norm and Mike tackle a couple of very sensitive topics:
› The Carolina Journal Reports: North Carolina's legislature is set to ban the use of ESG and ETI factors in investment criteria by and through two (2) bills, Senate Bill 737 and House Bill 750. Of particular note is how the bills respectively define and identify "Environmental, Social, and Governance" and "environmentally targeted investments requirements."
› All Media Reports: Fox News has notified Tucker Carlson that his Tuesday show as published on Twitter is a violation of his contract with Fox, which has been reported to read in relevant part that Tucker is, "prohibited from rendering services of any type whatsoever, whether 'over the internet via streaming or similar distribution, or other digital distribution whether now known or hereafter devised.'" Norm and Mike dive into the legal merits and pose the questions: does Tucker wield enough support to pay any alleged damages claimed by Fox and still come out ahead? Would a court grant injunctive relief to Fox?
› The scholarly totem that is The 1619 Project in conjunction with the pristine name of the Pulitzer Center have published a high school curriculum that purports to convert some traditional math classes into discussions of racial justice. Does this add up?
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Yesterday's #AMA was very fun. We find ourselves humbled by the interest in this thing of ours each and every day. Thank you for your presence and thank you for trusting us with your time. We vow to always treat it with the respect and dignity it is owed, for as the topwater of American culture remains almost frivolously divisive we recognize that the fleetness of time is the tie that binds us all.
Tuesday simply would not quit, would it? Legitimate news broke across nearly every major category of society yesterday. Norm & Mike convene here to address several items of particular note:
› The PGA and LIV Golf's parent company, Public Investment Fund, announced a merger yesterday, June 6, 2023. In its official statement, PGA proclaimed the merger to be in the interests of unifying golf and an official end to the "disruption and distraction" plaguing the game of golf for the last three years. Having addressed the conflict on an older stream, Norm and Mike update and unpack the nature of how the forthcoming 'definitive agreement' between the parties will take shape. The ultimate question: who wins?
› The Oregon Association of Scholars reports: At its 2023 Representative Assembly, Oregon's largest teacher's union, Oregon Education Association, announced the formation of a task force for the purpose of recommending changes to the OEA's By-Laws Committee related to membership dues. Among the stated changes, "a significant discount for BIPoC educators until the racial breakdown of [its] membership aligns with the racial breakdown of [its] student population." Equal protection, anyone?
› New York City Mayor Eric Adams has introduced into the public consciousness the City's plan to begin paying New Yorkers to shelter migrants in their private homes. This comes as a result of the surge in asylum seeking migrants who have been located in New York City in recent months. What is the story here and what should concern New Yorkers the most?
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Good morning, #LALiens! We're glad to be here and grateful you could be here with us. Norm has been a busy, busy man. Not that Mike hasn't, but let's face it: Mike isn't on TV and stuff. Today, the duo limit the scope of LAL's daily stream to one (1) topic: › All major media outlets are reporting that Congress by way of James R. Comer, republican representative and chair of the House Oversight Committee, will hold FBI Director Christopher Wray in contempt for Director's Wray's alleged failure to disclose information subpoenaed by the Oversight Committee concerning President Joe Biden's business dealings and entanglements with foreign governments prior to his election in 2020. There are a number of ways to skin this metaphorical cat, but there are some ways that are better than others. Under what authority does Congress issued a subpoena? What legal effect is given to that subpoena and what, if anything, is made complicated by the subpoenaed party's status as Director of a federal law enforcement agency—the executive branch—as it relates to legal obligations to comply? There is yet another interesting element to this saga. According to Representative Anna Paulina—republican representative and member of the House Oversight Committee—the FBI is "afraid" the whistleblower that in May alleged a Biden $5M bribery scheme will be killed if their identity is revealed. Questions abound. THEN—Norm and Mike transition into an #AMA segment where viewers and listeners can lob questions into the chat for one or both to answer. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Norm and Mike are hot off the weekend with a few key updates in Norm's world. You may have seen that Game 2 of the NBA Finals did not go to the Nuggets. Don't panic. With time, Mike provides some context for why Elon has made waves over the weekend. With time, though. Today: › Norm Pattis has filed the Appeal in the Alex Jones defamation lawsuit — The Courant reports. › Norm Pattis provides an update on the post-trial motions in the United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which four (4) members of the Proud Boys were convicted of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. What are post-trial motions? › Connecticut has passed a law banning open carry. Guess who plans to file a constitutional challenge against it? Duh. Big Norm. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Friday, you filthy, filthy animals. We're alive and live at 8:00 am eastern to solve all of the worlds ailments—Law and Legitimacy is the antidote. The question is: did you tell a friend? Should you tell another? What's the first thing you're going to tell that person when you recommend the #BestLawPodcast on the internet? We have some ideas . . . .
In #NBAFinals news, the Denver Nuggets took a pickaxe to the Miami Heat last night in Game 1. Easy claps, as they say in the business. Jimmy Buckets or Jimmy Tuck-Its? The Heat star took a backseat to the team's center in shot attempts. Nikola Jokic was cleaning glass, dishing times, and doing it from the free-throw line on the way to a triple-double. Good stuff from the Mile High Club. .
› It is #FreeSpeechFriday on Twitter. The Daily Wire and Matt Walsh have made sure of that, by publishing the documentary "What is a Woman?" for free viewing on the social media platform that supports free speech, the first amendment, and the objective nature of truth. Right, Elon? Elon? Earth to Elon . . .
› Artificial Intelligence: is the A.I. "Skynet" here already? — The RAeS Future Combat Air & Space Capabilities Summit was held May 23 and 24 at the Royal Aeronautical Society's headquarters in London. Among the leading takeaways was the case study of an artificial intelligence simulation in which an AI-enabled drone tasked with search and destroy orders of enemy surface-to-air missile sites made a remarkably dark, yet predictable decision: it attacked it's human operator. Rude stuff. › Mike put his cards on the table yesterday, offering his opinion that student-athletes should not be paid for participation in college sports. His real-life friends politely engaged the topic via Twitter. What is the true nature of Mike's position?
› Bill Cosby is in the news again. Victoria Valentino filed a civil lawsuit in Los Angeles County District Court yesterday for damages stemming from an alleged rape that occurred some 50 years ago. Valentino is a former Playboy model and has filed the lawsuit under a California law that is set to rescind at the end of 2023. Under the law—The Sexual Abuse and Cover Up Accountability Act—plaintiff's are afforded a one-year "revive" window to file an action to recover damages alleged to have been suffered as a result of a claimed sexual assault that would have been otherwise barred after January 1, 2023. Cosby is an easy target. And long-time LALiens may recall Norm's interview with one Andrew Wyatt, Bill Cosby's publicist, from a couple of years ago. How is a defendant afforded due process of law in the face of claims so old that witnesses and records required for one to mount an adequate legal defense are no longer accessible?
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Good Morning, LALiens! Yesterday's stream was invigorating. It was the type of stream that embodies the essence of Norm and Mike's shared interest and spiritual connection. If you have not already, go back and watch and/or listen. And share with one friend. Today, expect more of the same energy: › Sports Illustrated reports: Nick Saban supports the unionization of college athletes behind the proliferation of Name, Image, and Likeness ("NIL") opportunities for young athletes. The state-by-state picture reminds Mike of the fragmented market for beverage alcohol regulation. Moreover, high school athletic associations are faced with difficult questions. What is North Carolina doing? › CUNY Law School's valedictorian, Fatima Mohammed, gave her commencement speech just a few days ago. Don't you know, our existence in an of itself is revolutionary? Norm and Mike analyze the form and substance. › The Carolina Journal reports: House Bill 607 portends to ban compelled speech on college campuses. Against the backdrop of the imminent decision regarding the legality or lack thereof of affirmative action, what does House Bill 607 mean for the future of college admissions and the curricula to be deployed on public university campuses? With time, Norm and Mike discuss North Korea's addition as a member of the World Health Organization, and the University of Colorado's "Pride Office" website designating one's misgendering of another to be an "act of violence." Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
The cycle of frenzy is odd. America right now is tense. Even its fried chicken is political. It is worth wondering what life would be like if the urgency of our times weren't so amplified, if our shared history was not so kicked like a sheet to the bottom of the bed? Unrecognizable perhaps. Norm and Mike stream with the theme of guarding one's morale. We all should. Today: › The New York Times reports: "A.I. Poses 'Risk of Extinction', Industry Leaders Warn" + The Washington Post reports: "Elon Musk’s Neuralink says it has FDA approval for human trials: What to know" › Sports Illustrated: Nick Saban says he supports the unionization of college athletes as a hedge against what he considers an imminent threat to college football behind the proliferation of Name, Image, and Likeness ("NIL") deals—declining parity. › The Carolina Journal reports: "NC private religious schools feel threatened after Nashville shooting"—Norm and Mike unpack the dark reality surrounding faith-driven primary educators in a post-Nashville shooting era. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
This morning: . › The Miami Heat traveled to Boston and took care of business in the Garden—NBA Finals start Thursday › Professor Jonathan Turley writes: Boston University to require all first-year writing students to take social justice writing courses—school refers to students as "captive audience" › Sackett v. EPA was on the docket for LAL last week, but we ran out of time. Norm and Mike talk SCOTUS's decision to reign in administrative overreach via the federal Clean Water Act . Join us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It seems like this happens every week; Friday, that is. Regardless, welcome to another streamed installment of the best law podcast anywhere, Law and Legitimacy. We thank all our loyal #LALiens new and veteran alike. We're having a lot of fun. Speaking of fun, the Celtics seem to be having some of that. The C's defended the Garden last night to bring the NBA Eastern Conference Finals series with the Miami Heat to a 3-2 mark. Mike extends his gratitude to the Celtics for the lesson the organization is giving to kids watching everywhere. Today, Norm and Mike keep the bright line theme of legitimacy alive with several intriguing developments across United States law, politics, and culture: › Vivek Ramaswamy took to Twitter to shed light on LinkedIn's efforts to censor his content. Vivek is perhaps the only candidate that can break through to a voting base via a professionals-only platform such as LinkedIn, so the story is notable on that front and several others. › Stewart Rhodes, the Oath Keepers founder convicted of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, was sentenced yesterday—18 years. Norm shares his observations from the sentencing and his expectations for the Proud Boys defendants convicted of the same crime just a few weeks ago. › The Supreme Court of the United States ("SCOTUS") issued its ruling in Sackett v. EPA yesterday. In a 5-4 decision, Samuel Alito wrote for the majority to tell the Environmental Protection Agency its interpretation of the Clean Waters Act was of profound stupidity resulting in egregious violations of real property rights. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning and Happy Memorial Day! On this last Monday in May, we give our endless thanks to those members of the United States Armed Forces who gave their life in defense of our system of law and liberty—in defense of our individual freedoms. Thank you and may God rest your souls. Today feels like one of those streams where Norm and Mike will not make it all the way through the list, but here is said list: › The Boston Celtics pulled out a miraculous win on Saturday night in Miami against the Heat, to even the Eastern Conference Finals series at 3-3 to force a Game 7 tonight in the Garden. Norm and Mike break down the final seconds. › The case is Mata v. Avianca. Plaintiff's counsel filed a brief to the court which cited cases referenced by ChatGPT. The problem? The cases do not exist. But wait, there's more. Rather than admit the err of their ways, plaintiff's counsel went back and asked ChatGPT to write the non-existent opinions—and then submitted those to the Court. › Cormac MacCarthy on Sin and Hope › Artificial Intelligence and Price Theory Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It has been an eventful week. This internet shingle of LAL is gaining a ton of momentum. Yesterday was an insightful stream, one in which Norm and Mike began striking a vein deep beneath the ideological surface of the modern cultural white caps—did you bring your pickaxe, LALiens? 👽 Today, LAL continues in that subterranean exploration: › More on ESG (Environmental, Social, Governance) as what Mike termed to be a 'luxury tax' › Elon Musk and Twitter made history last night, as Twitter Spaces played medium to Governor Ron DeSantis' bid to be the Republican nominee for President of the United States in 2024. Helpings of criticisms were aplenty due to technical difficulties at the start, but there is an argument to be made that the event was an unqualified success—just look at the high profile efforts to countersignal from both sides of the partisan divide. › Norm has thoughts on whether the United States has the capacity to recalibrate presidential politics. Does it need to? › Jonathan Turley reports via his own website about the events unfolding at Ohio Northern University's Petite College of Law: school security was dispatched to remove Professor Scott Gerber—a member of the Ohio Northern faculty for more than 20 years—from class, from teaching, and from the ONU campus. No explanation was offered. What has become of due process? On law school campuses? › Oath Keepers founder, Stewart Rhodes, faces sentencing following his conviction for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events at the Capitol on January 6, 2021. Will the sentencing foreshadow what the 4 members of the Proud Boys who were similarly convicted are to expect in the weeks to come? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good morning and welcome to Law and Legitimacy! To the returning viewers, subscribers, and habitual LAL Sharers, we are extraordinarily grateful and humbled that you choose to spend your time with us. To the new viewers, subscribers-in-training, and future LAL evangelists, we are honored to have you. Last night, the Boston Celtics avoided the embarrassment of a sweep by the Miami Heat by pulling out a win in Miami. The Eastern Conference Finals matchup now stands at 3-1. Can Boston do the unprecedented in NBA Playoffs history by overcoming a 3-0 deficit and triumph in the series? There is only one way to find out. Today, Norm and Mike take on a couple of key topics in America's ongoing struggle to re-legitimate its governing institutions, corporate culture, and the social fabric that binds the otherwise pluralistic nature of its society: › The United States and the Debt Ceiling — this was a recurring theme of Donald Trump's presidency and the public perhaps learned more about the discretionary spending category in those four years than at any other time in American history. What is going on now? › Daily Wire Reports: Former AB InBev President, Anson Frericks, says that the Bud Light brand is in for "a long, hot, dry summer." As the Co-Founder and President of Strive Asset Management—the anti-ESG asset management firm co-founded by Vivek Ramaswamy—Anson articulates the quasi-permanent nature of Bud Light's problem within the context of environmental, social, and governance scoring, and within the context of an American consumer that senses its own power to participate in a boycott that will actually work. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
The Denver Nuggets did it; Jamal Murray and WCF MVP Nikola Jokic swept Lebron James and the Los Angeles Lakers to earn the Nuggets first ever trip to the NBA Finals. Unless the Celtics decide they've got more fight to give, the Nuggets will meet the Miami Heat for what will be a basketball fan's pure enjoyment. . Mike joked last week that Law and Legitimacy is now a comedy podcast, but goings-on of our public institutions at the federal and state levels just seems like a page from the Babylon Bee. We hope the Bee can survive the convergence of truth with fiction through which we are all living. . Today: › North Carolina's Governor, Roy Cooper, appeared in front of a green screen yesterday to declare a State of Emergency. The only problem? The alleged emergency is over public school funding via the legitimate legislative process. Oh, and Governor Cooper's 'State of Emergency' is not an actual executive order—just political rhetoric. › Norm goes deeper on the Durham Report › The Daily Wire reports that the University of Minnesota is facing down a civil rights complaint for a research program the University sponsored that was open only to students of color. . Join us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Happy Monday to each and every one of you #LALiens. Norm and Mike return from the weekend hiatus and greet the week ahead of Memorial Day weekend. . Today: › Citing 'open hostility' to minority groups in the state of Florida, the NAACP has joined other NGOs in warning against travel to the state of Florida › All Day I Dream About Shareholders — ADIDAS announced over the weekend its plans for resuming sales of the iconic YEEZY brand by the end of April. › Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont's nominee for Connecticut's Supreme Court, Sandra Glover, has withdrawn from the confirmation process over scrutiny of Glover's past support of current Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett. . Join us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Norm appears in a sleep-deprived state, but we're not going to hold it against him. We open the stream with Norm's recap of last night's return to the stand-up stage at the Mohegan Sun. Today: › Articles of Impeachment have been introduced in the Senate against President Joe Biden. By whom, you might ask? Senator Marjorie Taylor-Greene, obviously. › The House's Select Committee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government has begun to warm up the issue of use of widespread deploy of confidential human sources by the FBI in seemingly all areas of American life. Elon Musk took to Twitter seeking to learn more. Share this stream with Elon. › Google, Twitter are celebrating this morning, as the Supreme Court of the United States issued rulings in two (2) cases in which one of each of the platforms were litigants—Section 230 lives on. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Tonight is the night! Norm will take the stand-up stage at the Mohegan Sun to work out new material in front of a live audience. If you're in Connecticut, be there! 10pm. Today, Norm and Mike get back to basics:
› Tar Heel Nation — North Carolina is emerging as a battleground of institutional legitimacy as the veto-proof super majority overrides yet another Governor Cooper veto of Senate Bill 20 ("Care for Women, Children, and Families Act). Recall the recent party affiliation switch by Rep. Tricia Cotham, Mike's predictions regarding the vote on school-choice as a result, the affirmative action case pending before SCOTUS involving the University of North Carolina's admissions practices, and the emerging candidate for Governor, Lt. Governor Mark Robinson. › Bryan Kohberger has been indicted by an Idaho grand jury for four (4) counts of murder and burglary — what does the sudden grand jury indictment mean in the context of a case that was otherwise proceeding quite slowly? › Montana is the first state to ban the popular app TikTok. How does the law read? What are the first amendment implications? Do we dare talk dormant commerce clause? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is just like old times. LAL is honored to host a titan of 21st century free speech advocacy, Mr. Ron Coleman. You may know Ron from his clever and cogent Twitter presence or from his work on behalf of The Slants in landmark litigation before the Supreme Court of the United States. You might also recognize Ron from previous Law and Legitimacy exploits, having contributed to some of LAL's most enriching conversations to date. It is also possible that you come to LAL as a fresh face, brought to us courtesy of Ron's own video podcast, ColemanNation. No matter how you've come to us, we're glad to have you. . For the uninitiated, Mike refers to the magic of Ron and Norm's intellectual chemistry as the Bird-McHale 1-2 from the peak-era Boston Celtics. With the Celtics moving into the Eastern Conference Finals on the back of a massive Game 7 victory, perhaps the timing here is fitting. . Today, Norm, Mike, and Ron volley: › The contents of the Durham Report and whether Congress should increase oversight on FBI operations—Church Committee 2.0? › North Carolina Reverend John K. Amanchukwu Sr. had a video of his public comment addressed to the Board of the Asheville School District go viral—how does the very persuasive critique of certain types of literature available in the public school library accommodate the obvious competing foundations of the first amendment's free marketplace of ideas? . Join us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Tuesday, May 16, 2023. Are we bearing witness to an historical struggle for power within the halls of the American federal government? . Today: › Special Counsel John Durham released his final report late yesterday after several years of investigations into the origins of the probe into President Donald Trump known as "Crossfire Hurricane." › The New York Post reports that the Department of Justice has removed the entire criminal investigative team—including the whistleblower—working the probe of Hunter Biden for allegations of tax fraud. The whistleblower emerged in April by and through legal counsel who informed Congress that its client wanted to disclose not only information related to the 'preferential treatment' of Hunter Biden's case, but also that Attorney General Merrick Garland provided false testimony to Congress in assuring it that Delaware-based United States Attorney David Weiss was free to make his own determinations regarding charging decisions in the Biden case. › Elon Musk appoints new Twitter CEO, Linda Yaccarino › WSJ's Family and Tech by Julie Jargon: "TikTok Feeds Teens a Diet of Darkness" — Elon Musk shared this on his own Twitter feed. Norm and Mike discuss. . Join us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 8:00 am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
We hope everyone enjoyed their weekend and had a wonderful Mother's Day. LAL extends a slightly belated Happy Mother's Day to all of our viewers, listeners, friends, and family. In the words of Cardinal Joseph Mindszenty, "What on God's good earth is more glorious than this; to be a mother?" Today on Law and Legitimacy: › The Manhattan District Attorney has charged Daniel Penny with second degree manslaughter in connection with the events on an NYC subway on May 1, 2023, which culminated in the death of Jordan Neely. Norm and Mike break down the charge, the legal elements attendant to this fact pattern, and what Penny's defense team will likely do in order to provide Penny with the best legal defense under the circumstances. › Elon Musk proved the reports true and named Linda Yaccarino as Twitter/X Corp's new CEO, despite widespread and vocal scrutiny and objection. On Friday, Mike speculated that Yaccarino was not the pick. On the other side of being wrong, what thoughts does he have in full view of Twitter's embattled recent history? › President Joe Biden spoke at Howard University's commencement over the weekend. He is making headlines for saying that 'white supremacy' is, in fact, "the most dangerous threat to our homeland." Perhaps the least interesting part of that quote is its substance. Norm and Mike discuss Biden's reported loss of support of the black voter, the ongoing crisis at America's southern border, and Biden's own inability to campaign as key reasons for this administration's projection. › WSJ's Family and Tech by Julie Jargon: "TikTok Feeds Teens a Diet of Darkness" — Elon Musk shared this on his own Twitter feed. Norm and Mike discuss. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Look at us with the salacious headline. Before it entered its Great Slowing, there was an American sartorial phenomenon known as 'Casual Friday.' It was what made down-quilted hiking gear companies like Patagonia edgy. What Yvon Chouinard's corporate renegade exploits have to do with our provocative headline is not immediately clear. But one must consider the wisdom of leaning 140 wool in an ever expanding fleece tech world. We digress. Today: › New York Post Reports: the Federal Bureau of Investigation is Refusing to Honor a Congressional Subpoena Issued by the House Oversight Committee — Norm and Mike Have Addressed This Legal Issue Time and Time Again, Namely in the Context of the House Select Committee on January 6's Subpoena of Alex Jones. Let's Unpack. › Twitter's Head Hancho, Elon Musk, Tweeted Yesterday Setting an Estimated 6-Week Timeline to Install a New CEO and for Him to Step Further into the Role of Head Hancho and Chief Technology Officer — the Way Musk Typed 'sysops' Triggered Mike a Little . . . Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Did anyone else know that President Donald Trump was scheduled to appear on CNN last night, before it was occurring? Just us? We're caught up, though, so no sweat. Norm is reinvigorated by the freedom to move beyond the proximate area of a D.C. AirBnB. Mike doesn't know what day it is. On the stream this morning: › The New York Post is reporting that the Federal Bureau of Investigation is now refusing to honor a congressional subpoena for an informant file, specifically a FD-1023, that is alleged to provide an objective basis for concluding that then Vice President Joe Biden indulged a pay-to-play scheme with foreign interests. › President Donald Trump took center-stage last night on CNN's Town Hall moderated by Kaitlan Collins — J6, Immigration, Energy, Election Integrity, Foreign Entanglements, and more were addressed. › The Daily Wire reports that the 42 U.S.C. Section 265 order set to expire today, May 11, 2023, has been extended by the Biden Administration. With additional time: (i) Tucker to Launch Show via Twitter, and (ii) University of Georgia's National Championship football team has declined an invitation to the Biden White House; (iii) Former Buffalo Bills Punter Matt Araiza establishes alibi against accusation of rape that derailed NFL career; and (iv) the Secure the Border Act of 2023 includes language around an e-verify system, which is catching major heat from Kentucky representative Thomas Massie. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Fox gives Dominion $787.5M. Fox terminates its most productive host. That host walks into the arms of an electric car innovating, space travel pioneering, free speech absolutist billionaire. Don't worry, Fox. There is no deal (yet). Today, Norm and Mike get after it: › Norm shares his hypothesis on mass shootings; › 42 U.S.C. § 265 ("Suspension of entries and imports from designated places to prevent spread of communicable diseases") was implemented by the Biden Administration in March of 2020 as a response to the COVID-19 pandemic. That exercise of federal authority is set to expire tomorrow, Thursday, May 11, 2023. What now? › The internet is ablaze at the revelation that Tucker Carlson will debut his new show via Twitter's platform. This is a big deal for many reasons, but notably as an economic signal of Twitter's growing strength and influence under Elon Musk's ownership and vision. › President Donald Trump was found liable to E. Jean Carroll for everything except the central allegation of rape. He owes $5M. Was the undisciplined deposition testimony a campaign expense? Shh. Don't whisper that to Alvin Bragg. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
LALiens love the 8 o'clock start time. We've got the data. Today, Norm and Mike explore America's legitimation crisis through the lens of Social Media & the Courts. Mike regards social media as a 'savage landscape' and the two use multiple ongoing cases and matters to illustrate the widening disconnect between citizen groups in the United States. In particular, the following: › Judge Juan Merchan ordered that President Donald Trump may not distribute copies of discovery produced in the Manhattan criminal court case on social media. Judge Merchan made it explicitly clear that the ruling is not a gag order, that DA Alvin Bragg did not ask for one, and further that even if so solicited none would have been issued. What meaningful conclusions may be drawn? › New video has emerged out of New York showing one Daniel Perry rendering aid to Jordan Peely. Specifically, Perry can be seen assisting the other passengers involved in getting Peely into a left-side lateral recovery position, while onlooking passengers comment favorably about Perry's handling of the situation. Why did it take so long for this video to emerge? › The Tennessee Firearms Association, joined by former Hamilton County Sheriff, James Hammond, has sued the Nashville Police Department asking the Davidson County Chancery Court to order NPD to release the Covenant School shooter's manifesto. Compare with the events of Allen, Texas, from over the weekend. Why is it that mainstream and establishment media outlets are content to label the shooter conclusively as being of the radical right but incurious as to the nature of Audrey Hale's state of mind in the time leading up to the Nashville tragedy? › A new poll shows President Joe Biden in a deepening political basement. According to that poll, which George Stephanopoulos refers to as "brutal for President Biden," shows Trump and DeSantis as being 7 and 6 percentage points respectively ahead of Biden. On the one hand, who really trusts polling these days? On the other, is the American Left the new silent majority? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Norm and Mike greet each other on the other side of the conclusion in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al. LAL is now back at its originally scheduled time of 8:00am eastern. Today: › Norm Discusses the Aftershocks of the Decision in the Proud Boys Seditious Conspiracy Trial › Did the Jury Ignore the Law? — LAL Looks at an Interview Vice Did with a Juror › Tragic Loss of Life Over the Weekend in Texas — a Shooting at a Strip Mall Was Followed by a Violent Motor Vehicle Ramming: Do the Signs Point to the Border Issues? › Stewart Rhodes Receives 25-Year Sentence — Who Are the Domestic Terrorists Now? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Norm is limited in what he can say here. Each of you knows that. But suffice it to say that there are serious questions to be asked, including the precedent seemingly arbitraged for the first time in relation to the government's central legal theory to its case in chief. . Thank you all for being here. America is in a crisis of legitimacy. This is an historic moment. › Guilty Verdicts in Biggs, et al. › Virginia AG Says of AG Garland, "There is no will to enforce the law." › After Declining to Present Expert Witness Testimony, President Trump and Legal Team Prepare for Trump to Attend Civil Trial Against E. Jean Carroll . Join us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Day 82 of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., and Day 6 of jury deliberations. Roger Parloff reported via Twitter about the jury notes and questions sent to the court, which indicate that a verdict may be very close at hand. Norm updates. Today:
› Judge in Hunter Biden's Child Support Trial Laments Biden's Heavily Redacted and Sealed Disclosures of His Financial Information — Sound Familiar? › Tucker Carlson 'Leaks' — Media Baits Race in Text Messages Surfacing from Carlson's private conversation on the topic of political violence. What, if anything, can we learn? › An Unlikely Alliance: Rep. Matt Gaetz and Rep. AOC Have Co-Sponsored Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick's Bill, H.R. 3003, to Restrict Trading and Ownership of Certain Financial Instruments by Members of Congress and Their Families — Perhaps Too Little Too Late? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 81. Raise your hand if you remember when Kobe dropped 81 points in a single game. Not that those two things have anything in common beyond the potential for something miraculous. Jury deliberations in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., enters its fifth day. Scheduling issues with various jury members portend an extension of Norm's stay in DC for another couple of weeks. . Today is one of those days that will probably run well over the normal time: › Mike makes his definitive statement on the controversy surrounding Bud Light, the nature of the beer industry, and how your favorite talking heads are not doing right by you. › Connecticut's Sentencing Commission released a report that reveals a staggering statistic for our consideration: 95.5% of incarcerated inmates have or had a history of mental health disorders, substance abuse disorders, or both. What does this report say about the nature of community in America? Can Norm and Mike weave a delicate thread here to immigration? › From yesterday, a Massachusetts middle schooler claims to have been sent home from school because his t-shirt, which read "There Are Only Two Genders," somehow violated the student conduct policy. What is the state of free speech in the American public education system? › Death Penalty: Senate Bill 450 ("Death Penalty") was signed into law yesterday by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. What is the role of capitol punishment, and does broad absence from modern American life partially explain a broad decline in public morality and accountability? . Join us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
We have done it. We have reached Trial Day #80 in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are charged with seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. The jury has been deliberating since early last week. Norm has planned to be in DC for yet another week more. Today: › The Washington Post Reports that Justice Samuel Alito Claims to Know the Identity of the Leaker of the Dobbs Decision — What Can We Learn? › President Donald Trump's Son, Eric Trump, Has Deleted Tweets After the Court Sitting for the Civil Trial in Allegations of Rape Against Donald Trump Warns of Legal Consequences › A Middle School Student Has Been Allegedly Sent Home from School for Wearing a Shirt that Reads, "There Are Only Two Genders" — Free Speech in Public Education Appears to be a New First Amendment Battleground Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 79 in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are charged with seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Today will mark Day 3 of jury deliberations. Will deliberations spill into next week? Today: › Norm makes the case for why President Donald Trump will be indicted for his role in the events of January 6, 2021, and what the resulting impacts will be on the United States of America › North Carolina has introduced legislation to require businesses to accept cash as a form of payment — Mike breaks down the current state of federal law on the subject and why this legislative intervention is useful for an informed public › Former Vice President Mike Pence testified before a federal grand jury yesterday in Washington, D.C. › Olympia School District in Washington State cut funding for stringed instruments and band for 4th and 5th grade students — a culture of excellence is exclusionary, don't you know? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Day 78. The first day of jury deliberations in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., ended without a verdict. Norm shares some initial thoughts about the case. One of the five (5) co-defendant's, Enrique Tarrio, sat for an interview now published in Politico. Today: › Tucker Breaks His Silence via Twitter with a 2-Minute Video — What is America Building? › Generative Artificial Intelligence is Poised to Disrupt the Music Business — While There is Little Sympathy to be Had on This Side for the Record Label Cartels, LAL is Taken with the Question of Where Humanity Fits Between the Poles of Federal Copyright Law and A.I.'s Training on Individuals' Bodies of Work Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Gilligan has finally gotten off the island. Norm will get to leave Hotel California. The case of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are charged with seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, has been given to the jury. Norm delivered his closing argument yesterday, the prosecution presented its rebuttal, and both sides have rested. Today: › The Fight to Impose a Gag Order on President Donald Trump is Officially On, as Predicted › A Surviving Roommate, Bethany Funke, is Resisting Bryan Kohberger's Defense Counsel's Call to Testify › The State of Washington's Olympia School District is Getting Rid of Music Classes to Combat 'White Supremacy' › FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression) Has Sued Michigan's Tri-County School District for Violation of Students' First Amendment Rights — 'Let's Go Brandon' Hoodies are a Bridge Too Far, Apparently Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Day 76 is here. Norm is set to deliver closing arguments in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are charged with seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. It has been a long and tortured road. Monday's proceedings were fraught, as if anyone expected anything less. Mike will overrule Norm's objection one more time and he'll be on his way home. "Bloody Monday" is how Norm described the news as it was breaking: › Fresh of the heels of its landmark settlement of the defamation lawsuit with Dominion Voting, Fox News announced the departure of the magnanimous and prolific Tucker Carlson. Combined with last week's departure of Dan Bongino and with the 2024 Presidential Election rearing its head, one must wonder whether Fox News and Rupert Murdoch are walking over their own land mines. › The most insufferable, Don Lemon, announced his termination from CNN yesterday as well. Lemon's most notable recent moment was an on-air moment of incredulous stupidity brought about by one Vivek Ramaswamy. Are the two events connected? › President Biden's Domestic Policy Advisor, Susan Rice, has also stepped down. The federal executive office veteran is attributed with many of the Biden admin's most public policy faux pas, notably the failing policy of America's southern border. What does the timing signal about the future of the Biden administration? › It has been reported that the President Joe Biden will not participate in the 2024 presidential primary debates. Is this the most credible criticism of federal election legitimacy? › May elected public officials block users on Twitter? The Supreme Court is set to finally answer the question that originates back to the Trump administration. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
We're live from Day 75 on Gilligan's Island aka Hotel California aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Closing arguments are set to begin today, with Norm trending to bat cleanup on behalf of the defense. Today: › Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg Has Dropped His Lawsuit Aimed at Precluding former Manhattan Prosecutor and Author, Mark Pomerantz, from Testifying Before Congress Pursuant to a Congressional Subpoena by Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, Jim Jordan › The American Library Association is Set to Announce Today the Most Banned Books of 2022 — How Do We Best Understand What Advocacy Groups, like Moms for Liberty, Intend for American Public School Students Through Efforts to Preserve Titles in Public School Libraries that Represent the Crux of a Uniquely American Cultural Conflict? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 74 on Gilligan's Island aka Hotel California aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events at the Capitol on January 6, 2021. The Defense has rested. Evidence is set to close. Closing arguments are anticipated to begin today. . There is much to discuss today: › The Biden Administration is Building Back Better — As of May 1, 2023, New Homebuyers with Good Credit Will Pay More for Mortgages Than Those with Poor Credit and Less Cash for Down Payments › Alec Baldwin is Due Back on Set in Montana to Finish Filming His Latest Movie, "Rust." That's Because the Involuntary Manslaughter Charges Against Him in Connection with the Death of Halyna Hutchins on Set in October of 2021 Have Been Dropped by the Sante Fe, New Mexico, District Attorney › Catholic Priests in Washington State Have Vowed to Risk Jail Time for Any Violations of a Potential Law Promulgated by the State Senate That Portends to End the Seal of Confession . Join Us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is an unofficial holiday for many people across the country, but over here at Law and Legitimacy we are high on life and the pursuit of a better future for our shared and sacred republic. Pace yourselves. Day 73 begins in Gilligan's Island aka Hotel California aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events at the Capitol on January 6, 2021. We may be on the cusp of closing arguments. Norm updates. Today: › The Babylon Bee Announces a Lawsuit Against the State of California — Reminiscent of Rumble/Locals Suit Against the State of New York? › North Carolina's Legislature is on Fire — Rep. Tricia Cotham Remains in the Spotlight as the Republican Veto-Proof Supermajority Introduces Bills Aimed to Restructure Primary Education Funding, and to Regulate Participation in Middle School and High School Athletics › BONUS: "Incentivizing Space Spirits" Anyone? Bill Before North Carolina Legislature Portends to Authorize the Aging of Distilled Spirits in Space Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Day 72. Buckle my shoe. United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., affectionately known to LALiens as Gilligan's Island, the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, continues apace. And it will likely continue through next week. Norm provides a brief update of how Tuesday transpired. Norm made a prediction on Monday that the Fox & Dominion defamation lawsuit would settle on Tuesday. He also wagered that the settlement amount would be in the neighborhood of a quarter billion. Dominion is reported to be walking away with a bit more than that, but let's give credit where it is due. Norm called his shot—like the Great Bambino—a knocked one out of there. Today: › FOX & Dominion Settle — What Does It Mean? › Amarillo, Texas, Judge Kacsmaryk and the FDA › Is the US Courting Hot War with Russia? The Latest Intelligence Leaks Tell a Grim Story It's Hump Day. Let's get it. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
The sun rises on Tax Day and Day 71 of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys stand prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Norm expressed some belief in yesterday's stream that the trial would likely extend beyond this week and into the next. Did Monday's events do anything to change that? Today, Norm and Mike carve LAL's path back to two topics that were slated for yesterday's stream before taking a backseat to the FOX & Dominion lawsuit discussion that electrified the live chat. They also make room for a new topic: › AB InBev—parent company to the embattled yet ubiquitous light beer maker—debuted a new commercial. What does that new theme convey about the events of the last several weeks? › Justice Clarence Thomas is under media fire for what some may describe as ethical conflicts with a long-time wealthy friend › Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk is similarly in the news for the pro-life decision handed down out of Amarillo, Texas Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Day 70! Gilligan's Island aka Hotel California aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, continues apace. Norm updates the LAL viewership as to what the week may hold. Today, Norm and Mike discuss: › Dominion Voting's Defamation Lawsuit Against FOX › Justice Clarence Thomas's Recent Media Tribulations › Washington Post's Reporting on Judge Kacsmaryk out of Amarillo, Texas Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Court is paused today in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. It seems, then, that we will be stuck on Day 69 all weekend long. Have a nice one! . Today is a special one-hour stream! This is the second installment of Law and Legitimacy's Q+A format—#AMA. Norm and Mike will take questions from livestream viewers, particularly those submitted by way of Locals members and subscribers! Type your questions in the chat, send them via email, or mention @PattisPodcast on Twitter. . Join us. . For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! . Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Uh oh. Do we do it? Dare we? It is perhaps the nicest day of Gilligan's Island aka the Hotel California aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., Day 69. Five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. How nice will the day be? Could we finally be seeing light at the end of the tunnel? Today, Norm and Mike take up a couple of legitimacy-themed, nonalcoholic topics: › SCOTUS is set to render an opinion in Groff v. DeJoy—the case that implicates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which requires that employers make accommodations for the religious beliefs of employees provided that such accommodations are not an undue burden for the employer. In 2015, the United States Postal Service entered into a contract with Amazon which broke the long-tenured history of USPS employees not having to work on Sundays. Gerald Groff, the petitioner, was terminated from his career with the USPS for refusing to work Sundays, the day which holds sincere religious significance for Groff and which was worth the risk of being terminated from employment. How will the Court define or redefine precedent which illustrates the notion of "undue burden" with a standard of anything more than a de minimis accommodation? › Remember when we covered the case of Ethan Crumbley, the Michigan high schooler whose parents were charged with negligent manslaughter after Ethan brought a firearm to school and killed four of his peers? Well, a first-grader in Newport News, Virginia, has reportedly brought a firearm to his elementary school and shot his teacher. The first-grader's mother, Deja Nicole Taylor, has been indicted by a grand jury on charges of child neglect and child endangerment. How do the cases compare? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 68 in what Norm affectionally refers to as Gilligan's Island aka the Hotel California aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Two (2) of the defendant Proud Boys have taken the stand as the trial nears its completion. Norm opines. Mike sent Norm a text acknowledging how frenetic it all seems. Today, the two discuss: › Embattled Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, has retained an outside law firm and is suing Jim Jordan and House Republicans, and is also seeking a temporary restraining order from the court in an effort to block the House Judiciary Committee's subpoena of none other than former Manhattan prosecutor and author of the book for which Norm just this week tendered an on-stream review, Mark Pomerantz. › Texas Governor Greg Abbott announced his intent to pardon Daniel Perry, the Austin, Texas, man convicted of the murder of Garrett Foster in connection with the events of July 25, 2020. The Washington Post now reports that Perry's legal team has petitioned for a new trial, citing evidence of jury misconduct and other evidentiary deficiencies of the criminal trial. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 67 at the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Norm predicts that closing arguments in the trial are to occur later this week or early next week, with jury deliberations thereafter. Today, Norm and Mike have a lot on the slate: › In Louisville, Kentucky, one Connor Sturgeon—a 25 year-old banker—livestreamed via Instagram his "alleged" slaying of 5 individuals inside of a Kentucky bank. › Gen Z or "Generation Zombie"? The coalescing of the disquieted minds of the nation's youth appears to be approaching critical mass. › Mike felt left out last Friday when Norm briefly covered the news out of North Carolina involving Representative Tricia Cotham's party switch from Democrat to Republican. The implications are meaningful and perhaps shed light on the broader crisis of legitimacy within the country's obviously dominant cultural forces. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Good Morning, LALiens! We hope all who celebrated had a wonderful Easter weekend. Norm remains in our nation's capitol of Washington, D.C., providing legal defense against the criminal prosecution in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys face charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Today, the duo meet to discuss: › Norm's review of Mark Pomerantz's book entitled, "The People vs. Donald Trump." Norm picked it up over the weekend and has thoughts to share. › The DailyKos's Mark Sumner published an article in late March called, "The wave of 'large language model' AI isn't just a threat to jobs, it's the end of objective facts." Well, is it? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
The channel is on pause at the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. With the court dark until Tuesday, Norm has a few days to enjoy in the Capitol over Easter weekend. Happy Good Friday to you all! There is no shortage of legitimacy-themed headlines to discuss. As time affords, Norm and Mike will tackle: › Anheuser-Busch InBev aka AB InBev aka parent company to the manufacturer of Budweiser products—including Bud Light—is under tremendous fire after an influencer campaign with Dylan Mulvaney went viral. Mike jumped on a few grenades in the trenches of Twitter yesterday and has some insight to share. › State legislatures have erupted in North Carolina and Tennessee. Albeit for very different reasons, each represents a sign of the times in American politics. › A column in the Los Angeles Times reports that life expectancy is falling in the American south. Loyal listeners of LAL know that we have discussed what are termed "deaths of despair" at length on this show. What do we observe via the LA Times column? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 65 at the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka the Most Important Trial of the Century in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys stand accused of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021 — United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al. There is light at the end of the tunnel, but the court may be sealing it. Today, Norm and Mike focus on a couple of items that had been previously planned but took a backseat to the Trump indictment news and developments earlier this week: › Democrat Representative Tricia Cotham of Mecklenburg County is Reported to be Switching Her Party Affiliation to Republican, Affording the Republicans a Veto-Proof Supermajority in the North Carolina Legislature — What are the Short-Term Implications? › Professor Jonathan Turley Penned a Piece in USA Today About the Dangers of OpenAI's ChatGPT, Which Has Reportedly Manufactured Fake Reporting Claiming Allegations of Sexual Harassment — How Should Liability for Such Defamatory and/or Libelous Statements be Apportioned? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 64 at the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka the Most Important Trial of the Century in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys stand accused of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021 — United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al. Yesterday saw a significant portion of the day covered by sealed proceedings. Norm updates. Today, Norm and Mike have a lot on the agenda:
› Manhattan District Attorney 'Fat Alvin' Bragg's indictment has been made public, and perhaps the only surprise is that the public still has no idea what underlying crime in which President Donald Trump is alleged to have engaged that would elevate an otherwise paltry series of misdemeanor falsification of business records charges into first degree felonies. › Following his arraignment in New York City, President Donald Trump flew home to his Mar a Lago estate, where he delivered a wide-ranging speech. That speech illustrates what Mike has been foreshadowing, which is that the alignment of the four (4) independent legal investigations into President Trump will manifest as a multi-front effort to forestall his presidential campaign in 2024. Mike has an idea of what this may all be about.
› Professor of Law at George Washington University and constitutional scholar, Jonathan Turley, wrote in USA Today about artificial intelligence's—namely ChatGPT's—threat to individual personal lives through completely fabricated allegations of sexual misconduct and harassment. Norm and Mike revisit parts of the Future of Life Institute's policy objectives. Specifically, what is America to do about the legal liability for such obvious threats to personal safety and well-being posed by ChatGPT's apparent willingness to fabricate such damaging stories?
› North Carolina's legislature is making headlines. Last week, the legislature voted to override Governor Roy Cooper's veto of a bill passed aiming to strengthen second amendment protections for citizens in the state of North Carolina. That vote to override was thanks to a supermajority in the state legislature only made possible by the absence of one key Democrat representative, one Rep. Tricia Cotham. Yesterday, it was reported that Cotham intends to switch her party affiliation to Republican from Democrat, thereby handing the Republicans in North Carolina legislature of veto-proof supermajority for the remainder of Governor Cooper's term. Mike updates on both the second amendment bill, as well as the impact on the new push for education reform across the state. Join us.
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It is Day 63 at the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka the Most Important Trial of the Century in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys stand accused of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021 — United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al. Norm updates. Today: › The Case Against a Gag Order on President Donald Trump — the American Constitution › False Allegations of Sexual Harassment of Students Against a Teacher — Who Made the Allegations? Artificial Intelligence and ChatGPT Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 62 at the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys face charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Weeks ago, Norm predicted that he'd be lucky to be home in time for Easter. Just on the other side of Palm Sunday, how close will his prediction be? Today, Norm and Mike are fresh off of a rare Sunday livestream. If you were deprived of the nearly two hours, do yourself the favor and play that video back. This morning, the two discuss: › Jury Nullification — Anons on Twitter hate it, but Norm seems to think there is a reason to believe the right of jurists to return verdicts contrary to evidence and/or established legal standards should be more popular. We look at the case of Douglass Mackey aka "Ricky Vaughn", who was just convicted under the Conspiracy Against Rights federal statute for conspiring to deprive people online of their rights to vote in the 2020 presidential election. Using memes. You read that correctly. › Norm expects the first and most pressing legal issue attending to the Trump legal defense team in New York to be the potential of a judicially issued gag order. Especially with a Trump press conference tentatively scheduled for this week, how will this likely play out? Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
Current events abound. Lots of them. Norm and Mike convene late on this beautiful Sunday morning in early Spring to discuss. Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 61 at the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys stand accused of federal criminal seditious conspiracy charges in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. How did Immoderate Norm's apology to opposing counsel go yesterday? Come hang. Norm and Mike are powerless to avoid the media vacuum that is 45th President of the United States Donald J. Trump. Late Thursday, it was reported that the Manhattan Grand Jury assembled by District Attorney Alvin Bragg voted to indict President Trump on charges related to President Trump's alleged falsification of business records. Norm and Mike discuss: › What is the nature of a garden variety charge of "falsifying business records"? › What aggravating factor or factors contribute to an escalation of such a charge into a felony and thus eligible for extradition from a foreign state into the state of New York? › Will the Manhattan issue a Gag Order against Trump? Will Trump challenge venue?
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It is Day 60 here at the Hotel California, where you may check out but you most certainly can never leave. The trial in the United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys stand accused of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, continues apace. Norm shares a tense moment from yesterday's witness examination. On the slate for today: › Elon Musk is urging a pause on the development of A.I., joining in an open letter published by the Future of Life Institute, citing "profound risks to society and humanity" › 3 children and 3 adults were tragically slain in Monday's shooting at a Nashville, Tennessee Christian school by a 28 year-old natural born female reported to have identified as a male at the time of the slayings › A redacted letter reportedly penned by the former Human Resources Director for the Connecticut Public Defenders Office has been published, which outlines and sheds light on the basis for the independent scrutiny and investigation into Chief Public Defender TaShun Bowden-Lewis's apparently tyrannical reign Join us. For the rest of the year, creators will receive 100 percent of the revenue from the purchase of monthly subscription badges, which Rumble recently launched for the price of $5 per month. Please consider purchasing a subscription badge to LAL and be assured that LAL will receive every penny of that subscription through the end of the year. Your consideration and patronage is most sincerely appreciated! Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 59 in at the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are on trial prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. At the end of yesterday's stream, Norm received notice from the court that the jury would not convene again until Thursday. Norm updates accordingly.
Norm is a frequent listener of Lex Fridman's podcast and thus listened over the weekend to Lex's episode with Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI. Of course, OpenAI is the parent company that has released GPT-4 and ChatGPT, the phenomenon that has taken American culture by storm in early 2023.
Long-time listeners of LAL know that Norm and Mike are both preoccupied with the impending influence of artificial intelligence on American society and humanity writ large. Having been a bit disappointed by the substance of Lex's podcast with Sam, Norm and Mike undertake to analyze likely potential impact of and existential questions posed by these early, clumsy iterations of A.I. What can these systems do? Is humanity on the brink of a technological revolution reminiscent of the industrial revolution? How does this affect the existential purpose of man?
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It is Day 58 in the Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., the trial in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys stand accused of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Norm provides #LALiens with a brief update and outlook. Today, Norm and Mike bring into focus several items that are not as visible in the mainstream news cycle: › Editing the Past — Publisher HarperCollins has announced that it will be editing its Agatha Christie collection to make words less offensive . . . › Chaos in CT Public Defenders Officer — Norm has a unique connection to Connecticut, and will share insight on the resignations of several Commissioners from the Public Defenders' Oversight Board in the wake of Chief Public Defender TaShun Bowden-Lewis's campaign of complete demoralization › Central Bank Digital Currency and AI — Provided time allots, Norm and Mike discuss the impact of state-led legislation for or against the creation/authorization of what are known as CBDC's in contrast to more commonly used and accepted coins, such as Bitcoin. Join us. Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 56 in The Hotel California aka Gilligan's Island aka the trial in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of Proud Boys are being prosecuted on charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. The court held an emergency hearing yesterday after it was made aware by the Department of Justice that a CHS (federal confidential informant) had been in contact with defendants, defendants' counsel, and defendants' families as recently as January 2023. Norm updates on what the court plans to do with the trial moving forward. Things are tense. Today, Norm and Mike examine the case of Ethan Crumbley, the minor defendant who plead guilty to charges of first degree murder in connection with the Oxford High School shooting in November 2021. In particular, the duo are intrigued with the evolution of the case as it impacts Ethan's parents, James and Jennifer, who have been charged with involuntary manslaughter by a Michigan district court. Under what circumstances should the parents of a minor be held legally responsible for the acts committed by the minor child? Join us. Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 55 on Gilligan's Island, the term Norm affectionately uses to refer to the seeming endless trial in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. The trial made headlines yesterday as the Justice Department informed the court and the defense attorneys that an FBI confidential informant and planned defense witness has been in contact with at least one (1) of the defendants, the defense counsel, and even the defendants' families as recently as January of 2023. Wild stuff. . Today on the stream, Norm and Mike ask loyal #LALiens to come armed with their questions for a LIVE Q&A/#AMA sesh. . Norm and Mike will warm up with questions for each other to answer. Full disclosure: neither has shared his question with the other. . Let's have some fun! Join us. . Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast . Subscribe and turn on notifications! . Support Law and Legitimacy: . - Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ - Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ - Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. - Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
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It is Day 53 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. The prosecution rested yesterday, paving the way for the defense to begin presentations of its cases. Having reserved his opening statements for after the prosecution's case, combat veteran and Purple Heart earner, Joe Biggs, by and through his counsel gave opening statements to the jury. You might know that counsel by the name Norm Pattis. Norm and Mike keep pace with the week: › Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, broke his much criticized silence on the news of New York District Attorney Alvin Bragg's apparent plan to indict former President Donald Trump on charges related to campaign finance crimes. What did we learn? › The New York Times Published a Story on Saturday about the Sandy Hook Victims and Families Attempts to Collect on the More than 1.4B in Damages Assessed by the Connecticut Court — What is Going on? Join us. Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: . Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 52 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Today, the defense is set to give opening statements as the prosecution finally rested on Friday last week. Norm shares what he little he can on what those following may expect to unfold. Some wild stuff developed over the weekend: › President Donald Trump took to Truth Social to Warn of His Impending Indictment by the State of New York as Soon as Tuesday, March 21, 2023 — Norm and Mike Dissect and Discuss
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We bid a Happy Friday to all the #LALiens! It is an honor to have you. It is Day 51 in the trial Norm has dubbed "Gilligan's Island" in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, under the relevant caption heading United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al. We've got a packed stream today: › What is "Woke"? › San Francisco's Board of Supervisors Gave Unanimous Support for Reparations this Week — Stanford's Hoover Institution Says at a Cost of $600,000.00 to Non-Black Residents › The Department of Justice Has Warned Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the District Court for the District of Columbia that Additional Defendants Will Be Prosecuted in Connection with the events of January 6, 2021, at the US Capitol — What is This? › Four American Tourists Were Kidnapped by Cartel Members in Matamoros, Mexico, with Two of the Four Being Murdered — How Will Cartel Violence Continue to Shape American Politics and Culture? Join us. Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: . › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegitimacy › Twitter: https://twitter.com/PattisPodcast Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: . Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 50 in the trial Norm affectionately refers to as "Gilligan's Island," that of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Although the brand names in alternative media assured you that the FBI destroyed evidence and persuaded you that the QAnon Shaman somehow forgot he lived through a mountain of exculpatory video footage, and further that the two had anything at all to do with each other, you loyal #LALiens knew better than to order a Big Mac with chicken on it Today, Norm and Mike discuss: › North Carolina Supreme Court's Decision to Rehear Harper v. Hall — Gerrymandering, the Impact of an Elected Judiciary, and a Review of Moore v. Harper › President Donald Trump Has Filed a Complaint with the Florida Commission on Ethics Against Governor Ron DeSantis — Is DeSantis Running a Shadow Presidential Campaign?
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It is Day 49 on Gilligan's Island. That's right. Day 49 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Norm updates from another day in court, and no one else in the talking-head world is updating on anything other than footage that helps no one except political pundits selling ads. What a world. . Norm and Mike convene to discuss: › Stanford Law School Hosts Fifth Circuit Judge Kyle Duncan — Chaos Ensues Join us. Daily livestreams beginning at 7:45am EST on: › Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/LawandLegitimacy. › Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lawandlegiti... Subscribe and turn on notifications! Support Law and Legitimacy: Locals: https://lawandlegitimacy.locals.com/ Twitter: @PattisPodcast, @PattisNorm, and @MichaelBoyer_ Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Audible, Spotify, or wherever you receive podcasts and rate LAL 5 stars. Subscribe here on our Rumble and Youtube channels, give us a Rumble, and join our active community of free-thinkers, contrarians, and the unafraid on Locals!
It is Day 48 in the trial of United States v. Joe Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted with charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Norm quickly shares an update as the parties move through and past the 'spill' narrative from last week. Today, Norm and Mike shift focus to: › Funny Money — What is the Signal Amid the SVB, Signature Noise? › Tiger Woods — Ex-Girlfriend Sues for $30M After Being Locked Out of Mansion › False Hope? — To What Useful End is Tucker Carlson Deploying the Narrative of Unreleased J6 Footage?
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Day 47 on Gilligan's Island. Norm and Mike talk:
› U.S. v Biggs and FBI Agent 'Spill' Disclosures — Avoid Confirmation Bias! ›WaPo Reports Declining and Absent Training Standards for Memphis Police Recruits › Newsweek: Return to the Humanities to Save America
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Gilligan's Island is on pause today while the court decides what is to be done with the alleged classified materials spill on the part of the FBI in the trial of United States v. Joe Biggs, et al. Norm has been quoted in the press heavily over the past 48 hours.
Norm and Mike hone in on what Norm calls, "the weaponization of hearings" of yesterday's Weaponization of Government Committee hearing that included Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger. With the remaining time, Norm and Mike provide legal updates in the ongoing criminal legal matters of Brian Koberger and Tyre Nichols.
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Here it is. The first of perhaps many. Norm and Mike give the livestream audience the keys to the show's content and field questions for the loyal LALiens among us. Type your questions in the chat, send them via email, or mention @PattisPodcast on Twitter.
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It is Day 45 on Gilligan's Island, Norm's affectionate reference to the trial in United States v. Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are defending federal criminal charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021.
On today's stream, Norm makes the case that federal criminal trials need to be televised, and that this need is obviated by and through the current spectacle that is Chuck Schumer v. Tucker Carlson on the topic of previously unreleased J6 footage.
Norm's opinion and position on who has the upper hand between Schumer and Carlson may surprise our viewers. And Norm and Mike may indeed find their respective positions at odds with one another. But the case for televised criminal trials could be no clearer than through the prism of establishment GOP and democrats being aligned against the countervailing populist sentiment.
With any time remaining, the duo will tee up a review of Chris Rock's new comedy special now streaming on Netflix, "Selective Outrage."
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Day 44 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., resumes, in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys defend against charges of seditious conspiracy in connection with the events January 6, 2021. Norm updates from the long weekend and a contentious Monday in D.C. On today's stream: › Norm spent the weekend at CPAC — What Are His Key Takeaways?
- Vivek Ramaswamy
- Nikki Haley
- Tulsi Gabbard
- Lauren Boebert
- Bolsonaro
- Donald Trump
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It is Day 42 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. The New York Times reports on the cross-examination of one, Jeremy Bertino, and the nature of his testimony as it impacts the rest of the case. On today's stream:
› US v. Biggs Trial Update and New York Times Article › Norm and Mike want LAL to be on Every Law School Campus — You Can Help! › Volodymyr Zelensky Warns that the U.S. Will Have to Send Its Sons and Daughters to War; Rising Global Tensions and Our Senses of Self
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It is Day 42 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. The New York Times reports on the cross-examination of one, Jeremy Bertino, and the nature of his testimony as it impacts the rest of the case. On today's stream:
› US v. Biggs Trial Update and New York Times Article › Norm and Mike want LAL to be on Every Law School Campus — You Can Help! › Volodymyr Zelensky Warns that the U.S. Will Have to Send Its Sons and Daughters to War; Rising Global Tensions and Our Senses of Self
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It is Day 41 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. With a key witness cross-examination now complete, what are we to expect moving forward from the government's case in chief? On today's stream:
› NCAA Considering Rule to Shorten College Football Games — Safety or Money?
› The Supreme Court Heard Oral Arguments in the Student Loan Forgiveness Cases — More on the Major Questions Doctrine
› The FBI via Director Wray Now Endorses the Lab Leak Theory — What Gives?
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It is Day 40 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. With the trial appearing as though it will stretch into April, Norm updates on the status of the government's case-in-chief and when the defense will begin to put on evidence. Today, the duo discuss:
› Scott Adams in Context — What Did We Learn from Hotep Appearance? › Ye, YEEZY, and Adidas — How Valuable is Free Speech? › The Wall Street Journal Reports that the U.S. Department of Energy Recognizes the Origins of the Pandemic are Results of Lab Leak — Duh?
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Its Day 39 of the trial in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al, in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are charged with and being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Court came to a hard stop at 12:30p on Friday, so Norm updates on the state of the defense's cross-examination of one of the government's most key witnesses. It was a busy weekend:
› ChatGPT Heralding an Intellectual Revolution? › Scott Adams Analyzes a Rasmussen Poll; Is Promptly Cancelled › Cornell Law Professor forms Equal Protection Project › Adidas Reported to Have Made a Deal with Ye for Remaining YEEZY Product
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It's Day 38 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021.
Norm estimates the trial will continue into April now, with then prosecution still needing several weeks to get through its case in chief.
Today, Norm and Mike have an interesting slate of topics:
› Bill Gates Reportedly Purchased a ~1B Stake in Beverage Juggernaut Heineken;
› Wall Street Journal Reports on Los Angeles Racial Equity Initiative in Schools Aiming to Eliminate Honors Classes
› Yuma, Arizona, Hospital CEO Reports Financial Ruin Imminent Due to 26MM in Uncompensated Services Delivered to Illegal IImmigrants
› Alex Jones's Bankruptcy Hearing is Strange—Mushu the Cat for the Sandy Hook Families?
› Vivek Ramaswamy Pledges to End the Federal Department of Education
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It is Day 37 in the trial of the United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five (5) members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021.
Norm updates as to the state of the prosecution's case and updates on the likelihood of Donald Trump accepting service of the defense-issued subpoena to testify. .
Today on the podcast:
› A Tale of Contrasts: Trump in East Palestine, Ohio, and Biden in Ukraine (again);
› Teenager Speaks on the Realities of American Public High Schools and Wokeness;
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It is Day 36 in the trial of United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al., in which five members of the Proud Boys are being prosecuted for seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. Last week, LAL announced that the defense was seeking to subpoena Trump to testify. Norm talks the latest in that, and the duo talk:
› Speaker McCarthy Reneges on Release of J6 Footage?
› Vivek Ramaswamy Announces Presidential Campaign—VIVEK24?
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The forecast in Greensboro, North Carolina, says that it will be 80F on Thursday. With flowers beginning to bloom, we are going to assume that Winter in the American south has come and gone. It is Day 35 of the trial in United States v. Joe Biggs et al. Sike. It's President's Day, but Norm is back at it after a long weekend nonetheless. The prosecution is still making its case-in-chief. Norm updates on what to expect in the immediate days when court picks up again on Tuesdday, and also talks about John Locke, the Spoilage Principle, and Legitimacy. Norm and Mike also discuss the following: › North Carolina State University Men's Basketball Beats the Tar Heels (Again); › Ann Coulter is in the News for Comments About Nikki Haley › What is Going On at the #AsburyRevival
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One might think that today is Day 35 of the trial in the United States v. Joe Biggs, et al., but one would be wrong. There is no court today, and so Norm has been let out to play. It is a Friday grab bag that behaves more like Santa's sack. Where does it end? Today: › Celebrity FOX News Anchors, Such as Tucker Carlson, Apparently Did Not Believe Election Fraud Claims—Dominion Voting Defamation Lawsuit Disovery › Politico Reports that President Donald Trump Will Be Subpoenaed in the Trial Against Five Members of the Proud Boys Charged with Seditious Conspiracy in Connection with the Events of January 6, 2021 › JD Vance Exposes the FCC Nominee's Hypocrisy in Congressional Examination › Nikki Haley Announces Her Campaign for Republican Nomination for President of the United States › The Sazerac Company Was Sued in Class Action—Again
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Picking up on the tail end of yesterday's stream, Norm and Mike dive deeper into the story breaking around the very public resignation of FTC Commissioner Christine Wilson. In particular, the FTC is planning to unveil its new rule to impose a nationwide ban on employers' use of covenants not to compete, colloquially "noncompete agreements." What is a noncompete agreement? How does one function? What are the mechanisms of enforcement? Perhaps most importantly, is the noncompete agreement the inherent evil Lina Khan and the FTC are advertising it to be?
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Day 33 of the trial in United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al. begins today. Will Norm have to represent co-counsel in a sanctions hearing? The Wall Street Journal reported the impending resignation of Commissioner Christine Wilson from her position at the Federal Trade Commission. In a stunning and public resignation letter, the lone Republican Commissioner leaves no doubt as to the reason for her departure—corruption. Mike has been vocal about the individual acting as proxy for the shady government practices and unusual, damaging changes to the legal precedent by which the FTC has gone about its business in recent years. Her name is Lina Khan. Khan is only 33 years old. She was appointed Chair of the FTC by President Biden in January 2021.
Norm opens the show with a discussion of the ongoing issues affecting Trump, including an analysis of the Crime-Fraud Exception to the attorney-client privilege and whether VP Pence may take advantage of the protections of the Speech and Debate Clause reserved for the legislative branch of our government.
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Day 32 of the trial in United States v. Joseph Biggs et al. begins. Norm offers up an update from yesterday's court proceedings, specifically the fact that the jury has been made aware that there were in fact government-sponsored confidential informants embedded within the ranks of the Proud Boys on January 6, 2021.
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› The University of Richmond School of Law has removed T.C. Williams' name — why?
› Damar Hamlin is Criticized by Adrian Peterson for Super Bowl Statements and Attire
› East Palestine, Ohio's Train Derailment is Joined by Two More, One in Texas and One in South Carolina
› Shooter on Michigan State University's Campus Kills at Least 3, Injures 5 Before Shooting Himself
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Norm and Mike are back from a long, Super Bowl-capped weekend. There are a million things to talk about, but perhaps that is the more important observation one may make. What is going on?
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› The Super Bowl — "Lift Every Voice and Sing", the National Anthem, and the NFL's overall presentation;
› Norm's Law License is Still Active After Appellate Court Issues a Stay
› Nordstream, Spy Balloons, and East Palestine New Jersey—WTF?!
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In perhaps the most tense week of witness examination in the United States v. Joe Biggs, et al. seditious conspiracy trial, Norm makes time to pick up a developing story of pretty dominant intrigue.
Just days following the publishing of explosive back-to-back undercover videos wherein a Pfizer Global Director of Strategic Development makes credible and troubling statements about Pfizer's ongoing efforts to mutate the underlying virus, James O'Keefe is apparently being pushed out of Project Veritas.
Norm and Mike discuss a strange search warrant issued against a Project Veritas reporter by a California police department in connection with what appeared to be a completely lawful engagement with a Youtube executive. They also discuss Youtube's role and responsibility in all of this, as both bombshell videos published by Project Veritas were promptly removed from Youtube for alleged violations of the latter's Terms and Conditions.
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President Joe Biden addressed the newly constituted 118th Congress and the nation from the Capitol in Washington, D.C., on the evening of February 7, 2023. Norm and Mike discuss their own answers to the question, "What is the state of our union?" in parallel with a review and analysis of President Biden's speech.
By our their own admissions, Norm and Mike believe in their own ways that the United States of America is in the midst of one of the most historically salient periods of American cultural fracture and decline in pluralism. Norm gives his critique of the speech itself as a pathway into a broader discussion of what Mike considers an obvious void in American optimism and societal self-esteem.
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It is Tailored Tuesday in the Law and Legitimacy studio, as Norm prepares to greet the jury in United States v. Joseph R. Biggs, et al. for the first time since last Thursday. Today, the duo tackle a couple of legitimacy-themed issues close to Norm. In particular:
› Qualified Immunity — Mike thinks David French's New York Times Article is Incoherent; Norm Opines › Mandatory Voting — The Connecticut General Assembly has Referred Proposed Bill 5704 to the Committee on Government Administration and Elections; the Bill Aims to "Incentivize Civic Engagement"
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It's Manic Monday!
Norm and Mike are back in the saddle as another week of court in the United States v. Joseph Biggs, et al. cranks up. With the jury excused from court for the day, the parties are scheduled to make arguments as to the admissibility of certain text communications between and among the defendants.
So? Norm starts with some foundational building blocks for what is "admissible" as evidence in a criminal trial. Through the lens of the Murdaugh trial ongoing, Norm gives #LALiens a window into how the federal rules of evidence treat various types of evidence, particularly evidence of a defendant's propensity, to illustrate the often elusive legal concept.
The two also discuss:
› The latest in the Chinese Spy Balloon story—what is the big deal?
› ChatGPT fails the Trolley Problem—Bigly!
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Norm and Mike convene for the 13th straight day of livestream content for the loyal LALiens. Court in the United States v. Joseph R. Biggs, et al. will resume on Tuesday, February 7, 2023—today and Monday off make it a long weekend in the capitol for Norm to rest and recharge.
Today, Norm and Mike challenge themselves to honor a new segment, "Follow Up Friday." On today's FUF, the two analyze:
› Rumors of Infidelity in the Nichols Matter
› Hunter Biden's Legal Team Drafted Letters to the IRS and Deleware State Attorney—Why?
› Project Veritas Releases Video #2 from its Encounter with Pfizer Director Jordan Trishton Walker
› Twitter is Ablaze with Revelation that OpenAI's ChatGPT Has Been Engineered with Obvious Anti-Conservative, Anti-Christian Political Biases—How Does this Relate to the Homeschool Story Out of Ohio from LAL's 2/2 Stream?
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Mike woke up late and told Norm he had to put the team on his back this morning. It's Groundhog Day! Appropo of nothing really. But we're here for our Thursday installment of Law and Legitimacy and interesting news abounds:
› Nikki Haley is Reported to Be in Preparation for Her Announcement to Run as Republican Candidate for President in 2024
› Vice News Reports via the Anonymous Comrades Collective that a Homeschool Group in Ohio is Being Run by Self-Identified National Socialists or "Nazis"
› Alex Jones is Again in the News, but This Time for Personal Reasons—What is the SPLC's Interest in Jones?
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Norm and Mike welcome the #LALiens to another daily stream. Today is fast-paced and takes a rare detour in its analysis of legitimacy to scrutinize:
› Arian Foster's Comments Regarding the NFL's "Scripting" of Outcomes
› WaPo's 2023 Police Shooting Data and the Contrast with Tyre Nichols' Case
› Additional Officers Terminated from Memphis Police Department in Connection with Nichols' Homicide
› Did LAL Coordinate with Tom Brady for a Retirement Announcement?!
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LAL Book Club activate! Norm and Mike convene on the last day of the first month of the twenty-third year of the second millennium anno Domini.
In today's stream:
› LAL Book Club Reading #001 — "Wise Blood" by Flannery O'Connor
› Was LAL #082 with Laura Loomer censored briefly by Spotify? Mike explains.
› President Donald Trump has sued Robert Woodward in the Northern District of Florida
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A busy weekend it's been, but Norm and Mike are back in the saddle on Manic Monday. The two quickly refresh from a long-form interview Norm conducted with the great and wonderful Dean Strang, of Netflix "Making a Murderer" fame. Dean is a lawyer, author, distinguished professor of law, and American legal history scholar. The Saturday stream is live on Rumble, and the episode will be published to the podcast feed in the days to come.
This morning, Norm and Mike discuss:
› More on the Nichols Tapes and a Nod to Chief C.J. Davis as a Figure Worthy of Scrutiny
› Assistant Principal at a Rhode Island High School Solicits Staff Donations to Pay Off a 'Coyote'
› Governor Ron DeSantis is Battling to End the Instruction of CRT—Mike Observes a Potential Pitfall
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Laura Loomer is an investigative journalist, a now published author, a former operative for Project Veritas, an America First Republican, and a self-described “feisty jewess.”
What defines Laura is not merely her capacity for poignant disruption, but her seemingly boundless courage. At only 29, she has already seen an underside of the modern west’s political and cultural excesses that most people will never experience in their lifetimes.
Censored from every major social media and online platform, debanked, and even barred from App Store access for simple things like food delivery service, Laura has for the last several years walked a lonely and isolating path. Recently restored on Twitter, this podcast will feature some of the facets of her firebrand that made the gatekeepers nervous. She sees hypocrisy. She points to hypocrisy. She jumps up and down shouting about the hypocrisy. And we admire that. Laura Loomer is the first amendment to the United States Constitution anthropomorphized. She is a speech bellwether.
So what is she preoccupied with these days? January 6th of course. Before I ruin this entire episode, please check out Loomered.com for all things Laura Loomer. She just recently started a sub stack for her work, lauraloomer.substack.com. And obviously, follow her on Twitter @LauraLoomer.
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Norm and Mike carve out an hour on a Saturday to discuss the evolving case of Tyre Nichols and the Memhis Police Department. The latter released four (4) videos via the Memphis Police Department's Vimeo account on Friday evening, January 27, 2023.
Norm and Mike review the videos, discuss the readily apparent issues, and determine what sorts of information may be forthcoming that will act as determinative in the cases against the five (5) involved officers, all of whom have been charged with second degree murder and kidnapping in connection with the encounter with the now deceased Tyre Nichols.
It is a difficult case. It is most certainly one that will dominate headlines, spearhead activist calls for law enforcement accountability, stoke the already scorching hot flames of race tensions in the United States, and afford us all an opportunity to scrutinize our constitution's promise of due process and equality before the law.
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The United States v. Joseph R. Biggs, et al. trial resumes Monday, January 30, 2023. After an unexpected day off yesterday, Norm and Mike convene on Follow Through Friday to discuss:
› The termination and criminal charges of the five Memphis Police officers behind the death of Tyre Nichols
› Project Veritas released its video of the encounter between James O'Keefe and the Pfizer director who made chilling claims about Pfizer's business practices with respect to Covid.
› Twitter was sued by two German anti-hate speech organizations claiming the platform has not done enough to prevent and address anti-jewish hate speech on the platform.
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It's thirsty Thursday! Grab your coffee and join Norm and Mike as they keep pace with the week's unveilings. Mike discovered a journalist account on Twitter yesterday who live-tweeted the entirety of the day's witness cross-examination in United States v. Joe Biggs, et al. Aside from his thought that he was observing a new literary genre manifest in real-time, he thought it would be a great opportunity for Norm to download the basics of witness examination for the LAL faithful. The idea turns about to have been a great one. Norm unpacks the general do's and don't's, and is able to nimbly discuss his recent observations. Also:
› Project Veritas Exposes Pfizer's Director of Research and Development › Trump Back on Facebook?
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Hump Day commences with Norm and Mike checking in on the latest in the excesses of the NFT market as it intersects with a Durham, North Carolina, distillery's plans to age bourbon from space for a year in low earth orbit.
WTF? Mike unpacks in quick fashion the beverage alcohol market's legal and regulatory foundations in an effort to shed light on the immense challenges the space booze must solve prior to launch.
Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy made headlines by removing both Schiff and Swalwell from their appointments on the House Intelligence Committee. Norm expresses reservation at the obvious partisan get-back. What are we to make of it?
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Norm and Mike convene on Day 19 of the United States v. Joe Biggs, et al. trial with Norm lightening the mood with a funny moment during an in-court cross-examination.
The two attend to several topics at a fast pace:
› Oath Keepers Convictions
› Prospects of a Trump Prosecution
› Crowder's Appearance on Tim Pool
› Should the US Be Involved in Ukraine?
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Norm and Mike convene to discuss:
› ANTIFA destruction and clash with law enforcement in Atlanta
› George Santos' swelling problems and calls for his resignation
› Norm's visit to the Museum of the Bible in D.C.
Norm queries why J6 defendants should not be pardoned in a manner similar to that of the post-Bellum war pardons for confederate soliders. Mike offers an informed theory on why not, and also discusses the disparate treatment of ANTIFA members and January Sixers by federal and state law enforcement.
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Norm and Mike are engineering a new segment for the LAL faithful, called "Follow Through Friday" wherein cases that have been covered before will be updated, case brief style. Listeners should look forward to a precise command of fact patterns, attendant law, and key issues related to the cases and controversies covered. Due to the developing nature of high profile cases, FTF will highlight those cases with notable developments within their respective procedural timelines. Day 17 of the United States v. Joe Biggs, et al trial is upon us. Norm primes the audience for what the day is likely to hold and what it means moving forward. Steven Crowder responded to Jeremy Boring's response. Mike believes the emotions are clouding and distracting from the central issue within this now fraught controversy. Alec Baldwin has been charged in the fatal shooting of a set employee during the filming of the movie, "Rust." Twice. What does New Mexico law say about involuntary manslaughter?
And are we at the end of the Dobbs leak investigation at SCOTUS? Norm and Mike share disappointment over the seeming reality that the leaker(s) will never be identified.
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One of America's most prominent conservative media voices, Steven Crowder, published a video in which he demanded that "Con Inc." should "do better" in relation to values it upholds by way of contract with its talent and creators.
The context? Steven Crowder is a media free agent. Formerly under contract with The Blaze, Crowder and his agent have waded into the waters of free agency and solicited deals from various conservative media outlets in effort to find Crowder's next suitable business partner home. His video, however, did not mention or reveal any company or individual names.
Jeremy Boring, Co-CEO of the Daily Wire, subsequently published a de facto response video to Crowder's, in which Boring makes the case for why DW offered the deal it did, and perhaps why Crowder is wrong not only for his methodology but for his characterization that DW protects and upholds the interests of Big Tech against the larger interests of conservative talent.
Who is right?
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In this stream, Norm and Mike cover:
- Sixth Amendment's guarantee of the right to confront an accuser;
- How Norm and Mike met
- SCOTUS divide, Reparations and what the San Francisco Draft Plan means for the future
Norm is in D.C. defending Joe Biggs, one of the five Proud Boys defendants charged with seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021. The trial is likely to continue through the Spring of 2023. To assist Joe Biggs defray the immense costs of his legal defense, please consider donating: https://www.givesendgo.com/SSGBDF
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Week 3 of United States v. Joe Biggs begins, but it is only Day 2 of the prosecution's evidence. Norm talks about what the week will have in store.
Norm and Mike discuss an article from the Washington Post opining that the House Select Committee to Investigate January 6's efforts were lackluster and that the Committee caved to republicans and big tech.
The duo also talk about the split realities of an attorney in the midst of a case being covered by the press. Should LAL have a weekly segment on Understanding the Evidence?
Finally, Mike recalls an article that suggested that young men should be regulars at at least two (2) local bars. Ever the loner, Norm is interested to understand what benefits there might be to such a proposition.
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Workers work. Strivers strive. It may be a holiday, but LAL is live on Mondays. Right at 7:45.
Norm and Mike convene on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day to recap from yesterday's livestream with Laura Loomer, to discuss SCOTUS's grant of cert for Counterman v. Colorado and the nature of the "true threat" exception to the first amendment's guarantee of free speech, and to scratch the surface of the facially perposterous H.R. 61 titled "Leading Against White Supremacy Act of 2023."
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Friday the Thirteenth! We make our own luck around here. Norm's suspension from the practice of law was temporarily stayed late yesterday afternoon by a Connecticut appellate court. What is next in United States v. Joseph R. Biggs et al.?
Bryan Kohberger's preliminary hearing has been delayed until June 26, 2023, after his defense waived Kohberger's right to a speedy trial. What is the strategy here?
President Biden is under the microscope for his possession of classified documents as a second batch was located in his home garage. A special counsel has been appointed. We thus have the Classified War, as we acknowledge the special counsel appointment to former President Donald Trump's treatment of classified materials. What is the law here?
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It may be the middle of January, but things are hot in our nation's Capitol. Norm is still in D.C. awaiting the court's decision in whether he will remain as defense counsel to Proud Boy and January Sixer, Joe Biggs. Michael has a wager. What's yours?
Norm and Mike discuss:
› Robert F. Kennedy and the Children's Health Defense Fund et al.'s lawsuit against the Washington Post, The Associated Press, Reuters, and the British Broadcasting Corp. alleging violations of antitrust laws and the first amendment › The Federal Trade Commission's new rule proposal to ban the use of the legal mechanism widely known as the non-compete agreement
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Greg Abbot handed President Biden a letter during the latter's visit to the border. Jim Jordan is the Judiciary Committee Chairman, and will chair the House's newly formed subcommittee designed to probe the "weaponization" of the federal government. Joshua Browder, CEO of DoNotPay, wants his AI to argue in front of the Supreme Court of the United States. And he is offering $1M to the attorney that brings the case and acts as a meatsuit.
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This is a great one. One of our best.
Welcome back to our more premium long form content. Our guest for LAL #081 is Pete Atkinson.
Pete Atkinson represents everything we as a country have to be optimistic about for our shared future. He is Canadian-born and raised in Washington, D.C. Pete currently lives and works north of Chicago. He studied Classics at Ave Maria University, founded a study abroad program in Rome and a Shakespearean acting program in Florida. He earned his Masters in Fine Art and Acting from Columbia. During his time at Columbia, he founded The Merry Beggars, an entertainment production company, which he sold to Relevant Radio in 2021.
Pete hails from a large family and is guided by his faith. Norm and Pete spend a lot of time here, as the overlap of Catholicism and their respective searches for the face of God represent a shared understanding that material, earthly achievements are no refuge for the soul.
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He's back. Jimmy Vallee is the managing director and co-founder of Valhil Capital. He's appeared on LAL several times before, most notably on LAL #058. For a refresher, hop back to that episode and check it out.
Jimmy hangs out with Norm and Mike on a Rumble livestream to discuss blockchain, cryptocurrency, Ripple, and XRP. In particular, this episode focuses on the current status of SEC v. Ripple and Valhil Capital's amicus brief in support of Ripple in its case against the SEC. The central question: is XRP a security?
We think not. Most you of think not. And there is plenty of reason for that position. The only problem is that the SEC does not agree. What are the consequences of that disagreement? And what are the broader implications of SEC v. Ripple on the future of blockchain and cryptocurrency development.
Has the FTX fallout created an insurmountable hurdle for the use case for crypto?
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Norm opens the week from the famed swamp and our nation's great capitol, Washington, D.C. He is, of course, in D.C. for purposes of the criminal defense on behalf of one Joseph R. Biggs. Joe Biggs is one of several Proud Boys criminal defendants arrested in connection with the events of January 6, 2021, and who has by and through a third superseding federal criminal indictment been charged with seditious conspiracy. For those of you so inclined, you may support a rather tortured Biggs' criminal defense team by making a contribution here: https://www.givesendgo.com/SSGBDF.
Norm and Mike spend time discussing the concept of rebellion as a theme of American history, anchored by the writings of Thomas Jefferson and Cicero, and with a reflection on events like Shay's Rebellion. What is the utility of rebellion, and has the concept been historically understood as functioning part of our republic's anatomy? If so, what do we make of our current historical amnesia? In other words, is a little bit of rebellion every now and thing a good thing?
The promised 'Red Wave' of 2022 manifested more as 'Purple Slush'. Chappelle has made another statement. Mike queries: how do we know whether current 'rebellion' is organic or synthetic? How we are as individuals to discern?
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Mike will talk until he's blue in the face about what it's like to sink into a conversation between Norm Pattis and Ron Coleman. If you follow him on Twitter, you'll see endless GIFs and pictures of Larry Bird and Joel McHale—Boston Celtics legends. That is the sort of remarkable chemistry Norm and Ron share, especially on matters of human intellect and spirituality.
American culture was gripped for a week-long eternity by the remarks of none other than Ye, formerly known as Kanye West. Norm and Mike spent a patient week chiseling away at the essence of the controversy, each hesitant to give it a singular label. Something bigger was and is going on, right?
Ron Coleman is a highly skilled, New York attorney who specializes in matters of speech and civil rights. He is at this point a friend of the podcast. And from that basis of trust, LAL invited Ron to share his thoughts and insights on one of the most difficult topics in American culture today.
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It was a 2-stream day for Law and Legitimacy. Norm and Mike open the morning with the daily morning back-and-forth.
Norm doesn't want to spend $8 per month on Twitter any more than he wants to throw $8 out the window every day, but he does see some potential upside to Elon Musk's plan for verification on the platform. This launches a discussion about anonymity and pseudonymity on social media. Is social media snark equivalent to the efforts of Publius and the Federalist Papers?
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Norm and Mike peel back the facts involving husband of the United States Speaker of the House, Paul Pelosi, in a recent domestic matter in the San Francisco couple's home. Are there any reliable news stories?
Should we be afraid of political violence on the horizon?
While most appear afraid to continue with honest discussion of the Ye cancellation, LAL stays in the saddle. The inimitable Ron Coleman will join LAL at 2:00pm ET on Tuesday, November 8.
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Norm and Mike get it cracking on a Monday Halloween morning. Trick or treat?
Norm and Mike discuss Elon Musk's recent announcement of his intent to form a content moderation board for the purpose of handling content on the platform.
Depending on the lens through which one looks, Twitter represents an accessbile entry point in the conversation about globalism and what those like Alex Jones might really mean when a reference to such is made.
What is the outlook for Twitter under Elon?
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Norm and Mike get it cracking on a Monday Halloween morning. Trick or treat?
Norm and Mike discuss Elon Musk's recent announcement of his intent to form a content moderation board for the purpose of handling content on the platform.
Depending on the lens through which one looks, Twitter represents an accessbile entry point in the conversation about globalism and what those like Alex Jones might really mean when a reference to such is made.
What is the outlook for Twitter under Elon?
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The news was dominated on Friday by Elon Musk's taking the reigns at Twitter, firing most of the C-Suite, and intimating that positive developments in the domain of speech are to come from the platform.
Norm and Mike review Elon's letters to advertisers, and then inquire as to the status of the most notable banned accounts on the platform—namely, Alex Jones and Kanye West.
What should our expectations be for the platform's future? Will Elon keep his promises?
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The news was dominated on Friday by Elon Musk's taking the reigns at Twitter, firing most of the C-Suite, and intimating that positive developments in the domain of speech are to come from the platform.
Norm and Mike review Elon's letters to advertisers, and then inquire as to the status of the most notable banned accounts on the platform—namely, Alex Jones and Kanye West.
What should our expectations be for the platform's future? Will Elon keep his promises?
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Norm and Mike remain steadfast in their commitment to patiently and precisely analyze the matter of Ye vs. the World behind the former's statements concerning the "Jewish media."
Ye appeared on the Lix Fridman podcast last weekend. And in the wake of the corporate response to Ye's statements, Ye's YEEZY deal with Adidas has been terminated, along with his relationship with CAA, and various other material business relationships at home and abroad.
This is no doubt censorship, perhaps of the consequential variety. But Norm and Mike are preoccupied with the essence of the controversy. We should all be so preoccupied.
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Norm and Mike remain steadfast in their commitment to patiently and precisely analyze the matter of Ye vs. the World behind the former's statements concerning the "Jewish media."
Ye appeared on the Lix Fridman podcast last weekend. And in the wake of the corporate response to Ye's statements, Ye's YEEZY deal with Adidas has been terminated, along with his relationship with CAA, and various other material business relationships at home and abroad.
This is no doubt censorship, perhaps of the consequential variety. But Norm and Mike are preoccupied with the essence of the controversy. We should all be so preoccupied.
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Norm and Mike continue peeling back the layers of the Ye controversy and analyze the continuing fallout from various statements Ye made in connection with his mid-October appearance on "Drink Champs."
Norm and Mike each listened to a recent podcast on which Ye appeared, hosted by none other than Lex Fridman. We strongly encourage our listeners to supplement this stream episode by visiting the Lex Fridman interview with Ye.
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Norm and Mike continue peeling back the layers of the Ye controversy and analyze the continuing fallout from various statements Ye made in connection with his mid-October appearance on "Drink Champs."
Norm and Mike each listened to a recent podcast on which Ye appeared, hosted by none other than Lex Fridman. We strongly encourage our listeners to supplement this stream episode by visiting the Lex Fridman interview with Ye.
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Norm and Mike meet for the inaugural livestreaming episode of Law and Legitimacy.
Norm discusses being cancelled from radio behind the Jones verdict and takes the opportunity to re-introduce the foundations of Law and Legitimacy.
To whom and to what do we conform our conduct? We look forward to expanding the LAL audience and streaming every weekday at 8:00 a.m. eastern time.
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$965 million.
That's before attorneys fees. That's before punitive damages.
The Connecticut jury in the second of three lawsuits against Alex Jones in connection with his alleged defamatory statements concerning the victims of the Sandy Hook tragedy awarded the plaintiffs a record-breaking sum of nearly one billion dollars.
Hot off a grueling six weeks of trial, Norm dusts off his mic and takes Mike through the details of what will go down as the beginning of one of the most historic moments in American free speech jurisprudence.
If one were to let the internet decide, Alex is getting exactly what he deserves.
But what does that even mean? Veteran listeners of LAL understand our preoccupation with the theme of legitimacy as seen through the lens of the American legal system and the culture from which it is evermore downstream.
In a way, the absurd size of the jury award serves as perhaps the best contrast between the bedrock theory of justice—due process via legal findings on the merits of a case or controversy—and the contrived version of justice being served up to the masses at the incomprehensible expense of Alex Jones.
Mike takes particular interest in the procedural posture of the Jones case in an effort to have Norm illustrate for listeners how impossible of a scenario in which Jones and his legal team were intertwined.
What is a default judgment? What is the standard for the entry of a default judgment in general terms? How did such impact Jones' ability to defend against the claims of defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress?
This is perhaps the most important episode of LAL to date.
It is also our formal notice to each of you that Norm is no longer the host of his daily two-hour segment on Connecticut radio. As Norm discusses toward the end of this episode, the uppers at the radio station decided that in the wake of the Jones verdict that the station was ill-equipped to handle controversy.
Fear not. LAL will begin livestreaming this week. And as the appellate process begins, so, too, does LAL's journey toward real cultural impact.
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Our guest today needs no introduction. We're going to give you one anyway, because people deserve their flowers while they can still smell them.
Mike Cernovich is a father, husband, attorney, filmmaker and documentarian, social and political commentator, author, mindset coach, and modern American philosopher.
His Twitter following is among the most 'sticky' of metrics in the social media space. Mike is a prolific writer and thinker. And the engagement he receives with his ideas and opinions has time and time again broken the online paradigm.
Norm and Mike's relationship stretches back to Mike's days in law school. From that early mentorship has blossomed an unmistakable mutual respect and shared understanding of American society's most pressing challenges.
In what is sure to be the first in a series of legitimacy-themed discussions, Norm and Mike traverse the topics of Biden's recent comments regarding MAGA republicans, the contrasts between federal actions at Mar-a-Lago and the lack thereof on the other side of the political aisle, the politics of chaos that grips America, the paradox of January 6th, models of virtue and courage, and the Christian Orthodox perspective on matters of the soul.
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One of the most hotly contested matters of local importance is that of land use and zoning.
Norm reports on a local member of a Connecticut community who has announced a lawsuit against a town following the town's denial of her land use proposal.
There is no hiding the burgeoning pressure being applied to local towns and municipalities as a result of the nationwide push for affordable housing.
Open Communities Alliance is the subject of this Connecticut community's story. The penultimate question centers around the individual's right to live in a manner satisfactory to them and the intersection of real property rights with more macroeconomic trends.
A number of listeners call in to discuss the topic. We'll build more on this based on the popularity.
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Norm is back on the air to start the week and it is clear he missed his new home at WICC. He spends the opening minutes of his segment by reviewing the results of the local bluefish fishing tournament and the various methods fishing tournaments deploy to ensure a presumed winner did not become so through cheating.
Norm is then joined by W. Michael Boyer, the producer of Law and Legitimacy and North Carolina-based attorney, as he is at the top of every week.
Norm and Mike begin the recent headlines around student loan forgiveness. Under color of its executive authority, the Biden Administration has announced that it will waive up to $10,000 per borrower of federally backed student loans.
The two dissect the announcement and discuss the apparent moral flaw at the center of the Biden Admin's decision. A listener calls with a bit of nuance, adding a note that federally backed student loans are not dischargeable through bankruptcy. Norm proposes an idea that could have been adopted in conjunction with a forgiveness program but very clearly was not.
In the second hour, Norm and Mike get at the latest developments in the FBI's search of Trump's personal home in Mar-a-Lago. Mike asks Norm to explain the role of a "special master" in proceedings such as those present in the Trump case. Trump has motioned for the appointment of a special master to oversee the review of the documents seized pursuant to the FBI search of his home. Trump's legal team has also stated that many of the documents seized contain confidential and privileged information based on attorney-client privilege.
Mike takes care to point out the wonky state of affairs when it comes to the designation of documents as 'Top Secret' and 'Confidential' for matters with even a remote or tenuous connection to the President of the United States and the president's authority to declassify documents.
Norm and Mike close the segment with observation of what's happening at the border, and Governor Greg Abbot of Texas' decision to begin bussing illegal immigrants into blue states, namely New York.
Do you recognize the country you live in?
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Norm is back on the air to start the week and it is clear he missed his new home at WICC. He spends the opening minutes of his segment by reviewing the results of the local bluefish fishing tournament and the various methods fishing tournaments deploy to ensure a presumed winner did not become so through cheating.
Norm is then joined by W. Michael Boyer, the producer of Law and Legitimacy and North Carolina-based attorney, as he is at the top of every week.
Norm and Mike begin the recent headlines around student loan forgiveness. Under color of its executive authority, the Biden Administration has announced that it will waive up to $10,000 per borrower of federally backed student loans.
The two dissect the announcement and discuss the apparent moral flaw at the center of the Biden Admin's decision. A listener calls with a bit of nuance, adding a note that federally backed student loans are not dischargeable through bankruptcy. Norm proposes an idea that could have been adopted in conjunction with a forgiveness program but very clearly was not.
In the second hour, Norm and Mike get at the latest developments in the FBI's search of Trump's personal home in Mar-a-Lago. Mike asks Norm to explain the role of a "special master" in proceedings such as those present in the Trump case. Trump has motioned for the appointment of a special master to oversee the review of the documents seized pursuant to the FBI search of his home. Trump's legal team has also stated that many of the documents seized contain confidential and privileged information based on attorney-client privilege.
Mike takes care to point out the wonky state of affairs when it comes to the designation of documents as 'Top Secret' and 'Confidential' for matters with even a remote or tenuous connection to the President of the United States and the president's authority to declassify documents.
Norm and Mike close the segment with observation of what's happening at the border, and Governor Greg Abbot of Texas' decision to begin bussing illegal immigrants into blue states, namely New York.
Do you recognize the country you live in?
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We continue our week of LAL Classics with something very special from the archives: Norm's interview with legendary first amendment and trademark and intellectual property attorney, Ron Coleman.
Ron is not only a partner at the esteemed Dhillon Law Group, but he is the host of is own successful audio-visual venture, The Coleman-Nation Podcast.
The central question of this episode is this: can we long exist as a society if we lose our tradition in the roots of faith?
Norm took great pleasure in Ron's willingness to share his commitment to Talmudic scholarship and the insight to be found embedded in what he terms the "codified fact patterns" of scripture.
What is inspiration? What does it mean to be inspired? Is modern man inspired in his current state? Perhaps more importantly, can he be?
Listen as Norm and Ron catalogue the the nihilistic trajectory of the current era which is marked by a sort of anarchy, and opine on the existential importance of common conceptions of right and consensus to civilized, well-functioning society.
You'll also learn what a trademark is in less than 90 seconds and learn about Ron's representation before the Supreme Court of the United States in the Matal v. Tam trademark case that now defines legal precedent the country over.
Follow Ron on Twitter @RonColeman, his podcast account @ColemanNation1, and his trademark blog @Likely2Confuse.
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We continue our week of LAL Classics with something very special from the archives: Norm's interview with legendary first amendment and trademark and intellectual property attorney, Ron Coleman.
Ron is not only a partner at the esteemed Dhillon Law Group, but he is the host of is own successful audio-visual venture, The Coleman-Nation Podcast.
The central question of this episode is this: can we long exist as a society if we lose our tradition in the roots of faith?
Norm took great pleasure in Ron's willingness to share his commitment to Talmudic scholarship and the insight to be found embedded in what he terms the "codified fact patterns" of scripture.
What is inspiration? What does it mean to be inspired? Is modern man inspired in his current state? Perhaps more importantly, can he be?
Listen as Norm and Ron catalogue the the nihilistic trajectory of the current era which is marked by a sort of anarchy, and opine on the existential importance of common conceptions of right and consensus to civilized, well-functioning society.
You'll also learn what a trademark is in less than 90 seconds and learn about Ron's representation before the Supreme Court of the United States in the Matal v. Tam trademark case that now defines legal precedent the country over.
Follow Ron on Twitter @RonColeman, his podcast account @ColemanNation1, and his trademark blog @Likely2Confuse.
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While Norm attends to the defense of Alex Jones in the Connecticut defamation lawsuit, we'll rewind our listeners to episodes we self-select as 'classics' within the growing LAL library. Please take this opportunity to share an LAL Classic with someone you know. Help us grow, evolve, and continue pointing a light of truth at our common conceptions of right and common interest.
A crowd favorite guest is that of Jimmy Vallee, managing partner of Valhil Capital and an outspoken critic of what has become a very obvious set of conflicts of interest of bias within the upper ranks of the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "SEC").
Visit crypto-law.us to learn more about what Jimmy Vallee unpacks in this episode. Click "Connect to Congress" to help John Deaton and Ripple in getting congressional attention on this matter.
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Norm is back! Well, at least for the moment. And he is joined as he is at the top of every week by W. Michael Boyer, producer for Law and Legitimacy and North Carolina-based attorney.
Mike begged Norm to give North Carolina a bit of the limelight this week, and Norm graciously acquiesced. On top of Mike's mind is the recent North Carolina Supreme Court decision in North Carolina Conference of the NAACP v. Moore.
In 2017, the Supreme Court of the United States held that 28 North Carolina districts had been previously gerrymandered in an unconstitutionally gerrymandered. In November 2018, more than 2 million North Carolinians voted to approve two (2) proposed constitutional amendments: (i) a photo I.D. requirement; and (ii) a cap on state income tax. These two amendments were among a total of six proposed state constitutional amendments. Each of those proposed amendments had been previously approved by a supermajority (60%) of the North Carolina legislature.
Because of that 2017 SCOTUS decision, the NAACP argued to the North Carolina Supreme Court that because 28 North Carolina political districts had been deemed unconstitutionally gerrymandered that the majority vote by North Carolina citizens to approve both amendments should be reversed.
The Court did not disagree, and remanded the case back to the trial court for specific findings of fact related to the role of legislators from the unconstitutionally gerrymandered districts.
Regardless of the outcome, however, the North Carolina Supreme Court's decision in this case is ad hoc at best. The NAACP's case has a flagrant flaw—one acknowledged by the North Carolina Supreme Court—and that flaw is that it has no conceptual answer to the question of why the Court is not looking at ALL acts taken by the legislators from the 28 tainted districts?
For Norm, it seems like yet another example of a gathering racial storm on the American horizon.
For Mike, he struggles with the principled direction of the Court's opinion in contrast to the hyper-partisan nature of the questions that the North Carolina citizens have answered. The genie does not go back in the bottle.
We'll continue to follow this case.
Norm and Mike entertain listener calls for the balance of the show. Norm entertains the possiblity that Liz Cheney might be a viable 2024 'centrist' presidential candidate, and Mike suggests that Dennis Rodman is as qualified as anyone.
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This interview was originally published on October 2, 2021. With the defamation trial in Connecticut being ordered to proceed, this LAL Classics episode is a timely lookback at a rare, out-of-network interview with one of the most polarizing figures in American media and beyond.
Norm and and Alex sit down to discuss big tech and the modern threat to liberty. Do not be deceived—there is more to Alex than Sandy Hook. From time to time, Alex sounds prophetic.
Alex is a friend and client of Norm's. He is also a Texan, a Christian, and a patriot. He is perhaps the most widely recognized and salient voice in current political discourse, renown for his unfettered commitment to challenging the establishment orthodoxy.
We are humbled to present this episode once again. And we are invigorated by the notion that you—the listener—may have the courage to present it to someone you know, who may then display the courage to do the same.
Alex's perspective is that of a pro human future populist. We wind the clock back and discuss Alex's start in terrestrial radio nearly 30 years ago, the debut of Infowars, and the cost to Alex for his commitment to remaining an independent voice, especially over the last several years.
As noted in the opening, no matter how intelligent Norm fancies himself, sharing a room with Alex is always an exercise in humility. We trust that through this episode you will recognize that feeling, as Alex deconstructs with lightning quickness the history of world civilizations, John Lott's perspective on the American Revolution, Thomas Jefferson's conceptualization of tyranny, and the importance of the individual's discovery of dignity in the modern era.
This episode embodies the peak nobleness of American jurisprudence—there is no greater honor than advocating for the person who personifies the time-honored proposition that one need not agree with another's words in order to defend to the death their right to utter them.
You can find Alex at FreeWorldNews.TV.
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While Norm goes into battle in defense of Alex Jones, we take a journey back just one year ago to Law and Legitimacy's interview with first amendment juggernaut, zealous legal advocate, and friend to both Norm and Mike, Marc Randazza (@marcorandazza).
Marc is the founder of Randazza Legal Group, which boasts offices in Las Vegas, Gloucester, and Miami — https://randazza.com/
This interview originally aired August 15, 2021.
Marc's resume speaks for itself. And as you will hear, Marc has been an advocate for individual sovereignty since grade school.
The interview starts by tracing Marc's path to prominence in First Amendment advocacy. You'll learn about Marc's genetic predisposition to fail at adapting to military discipline. You'll hear about the times he flunked out of undergrad. You might even be disgusted to know that Marc pursued journalism before pursuing a career in law.
But what you'll hear the most is Marc's unwavering commitment to the principles of free expression and the unlikely beginnings of a glittering career that began with his defense of an adult book store.
Unpopular political speech is the totality of Marc's bustling practice. So I ask him: what is the Bill of Rights? Why does the Bill of Rights matter?
And then Norm asks him what the biggest threats are to free speech.
Norm's answer—that the bottom has fallen out of pluralism in American society—will not surprise you. But neither will Marc's insight.
Listen in for a volley of ideas surrounding notions of obscenity, the social and therapeutic value of the marketplace of ideas, the impact of political tribalism on the curtailment of speech, and the likelihood that SCOTUS applies obscenity to political speech in order to create a "Hate Speech" exception to the First Amendment.
Marc is one of the good ones. We cherish working with him. And we cherish opportunities like this to capture the essence of the finest our sacred practice has to offer.
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Norm opens the show with the announcement that the defamation suit against Alex Jones will proceed in Connecticut on Thursday, August 18, 2022. Norm is of course defense counsel to Alex Jones and will be in the arena with Jones as the court allows a jury to assess damages in a manner similar to that of the Texas jury.
Norm then reads a letter from a listener admonishing Norm to play fair when it comes to his criticism of President Donald Trump.
What is a strategic lawsuit against public participation and what does that have to do with Rachel Maddow? Norm unpacks the legal concept associated with speech and the creature of statute known as Anti-SLAPP law across the United States.
A listener calls in and poses the question: a lot of these shows are news and commentary—how is one to tell the difference? A great question, indeed. The lines between comedy, journalism, news, and commentary are quite blurred in current American media. How is a court to competenly analyze the 'totality of the circumstances' in any given case?
And how might the Connecticut court precedent impact the Jones defense in then coming days and weeks? Less than you might think. Recall that the court entered a default judgment against Jones for failing to comply with discovery orders. Thus, Jones' defense will not be permitted to defend against the merits of the plaintiff's defamation case against him; a finding of liability will simply be assumed. And so the jury will only decide the question of damages.
Still, Norm discusses the mechanics of defamation with a caller but stops short of giving any details of how he will defend Jones at trial out of respect for ethical considerations attendant to out of court statements.
What are the best used bookstores in Connecticut? Well, Whitlock Farm's Bookstore in Bethany, Connecticut, has been voted #1 in Connecticut. Listeners of LAL will recognize the name. That's Norm's store!
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W. Michael Boyer, the producer of Law and Legitimacy and North Carolina-based attorney, joins Norm to begin the week.
Norm opens the show with a plea to Attorney General Merrick Garland to give the transparency to the American public that the AG is pretending to give. Where is the search warrant affidavit that was used to support the issuance of the search warrant as served and executed on President Donald Trump's personal home in Mar-a-Lago? Why is it that the American people have to rely on the ovations of the DOJ in an attempt to understand whether the rather unprecedented search and seizure of a former president is justified?
Mike agrees and offers a broader perspective from which to approach the issue. According to Mike, the AG has a real brand problem and this development will not do much to mitigate the fallout from his efforts to classify vocal parents at local school board meetings as domestic terrorists.
The duo take a brief respite to talk about how to better design bathtubs for old people before moving on to several other stories that are top-of-mind: the Viriginia Episcopal Diocese's resolution to give $10MM to the cause of reparations, the most livable cities in the United States, and Pleasure Beach!
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Norm only has half the time on this Friday Law and Legitimacy Live. That is the cost of being a full time and highly in-demand attorney. But he makes the most of the hour he has.
Norm opens the segment shadowboxing with Senator Richard Blumenthal's platform that appears to favor a federal police power and lack of accountability over the summer riots of 2020.
Norm spends time giving listeners a crash course the fourth amendment's guarantee against unreasonable searches and seizures. He also discusses the remedy of suppression, a prudential element of law which precludes the admission of evidence gathered pursuant to an unreasonable search.
But is the suppression remedy constitutional? Norm uses his knowledge of legal precedent and pragmatic intellect to persuade listeners that perhaps not.
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Norm is on fire. At the same time as this Administration is making pushes to defund law enforcement all over the country, to restrict law abiding citizens access to firearms, presiding over historic levels of inflation and geopolitical turmoil, it somehow has found reason enough to fund the hiring of 87,000 new IRS agents. Not only that, but the new hires should be willing to use deadly force in the enforcement of their duties.
Norm takes calls from listeners to discuss this development and the broader ridiculousness affecting the United States in 2022.
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Norm opens the second hour talking about donuts and the importance of spending locally.
Greg Dillon sticks around to discuss more about the FBI executing a warrant on President Donald Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago.
Norm recognizes that Donald Trump is one of the great spinmasters of all time. However, there is a legitimate question as to what the face of the warrant read and what the alleged scope to which the search was supposed to extend.
This question matters. The fruits of an involuntary discovery—that is, evidence that is discovered during a search that falls outside of the search's alleged scope—should theoretically be subject to a later issued warrant. In other words, the search of the safe as reported appears heavy-handed without the public's ability to determine whether the scope of the search was obviously pretextual.
Greg reports that many of his long-time retired FBI colleagues are skeptical of the nature of the Mar-a-Lago search warrant.
Norm digresses momentarily to discuss a letter he received from the IRS at the beginning of his bookstore ownership. The bottom line is this: every individual has a right not to incriminate themselves in an encounter with a government agent. How does this connect to the electoral process when the subject of a federal warrant is a former President who has strongly intimated a forthcoming run for a second term?
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Rest in peace to Olivia Newton John. Norm opens the first hour of the Norm Pattis Show by honoring the memory of the 4-time Grammy Award winning singer songwriter.
Norm then attends to a listener call about Joe Ganim, the current Mayor of Bridgeport, Connecticut, and the evidence presented by the FBI that eventually put Ganim in prison. The query: does Ganim deserve a second chance? In this case, the question is whether Ganim should be authorized to practice law again. Will the commissioners bite?
And what about Magical Fantasia? The Connecticut Post just gave it the most raving review.
The author of "The Thin Blue Lie", Greg Dillon, joins Norm to discuss the emerging phenomenon of retaliation in connection with whistleblower attempts to reveal FBI misconduct.
Norm uses the opportunity to discuss the fourth amendment to the United States Consitution and the 'particularity' requirement that precludes the government from engaging in unreasonable searches and seizures of citizens.
Of course, the impetus for this discussion is the recent news out of Florida that President Donald Trump's personal home at Mar-a-Lago was subject to a FBI raid supported by a warrant that has not yet made its way to the public.
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Norm is joined for a double dose of W. Michael Boyer, the producer of Norm's podcast, Law and Legitimacy, and Greensboro, North Carolina-based business law attorney. Today? Norm reads a message a listener sent to Mike asking for the origin story of the Norm-Mike combo.
The two indulge. Mike gives his version of the shared history, detailing his own ignorance of Norm's celebrity at the point he began banging on the door for an introduction to Norm. Mike talks about the LinkedIn post that first made him aware of Norm's really poorly produced podcast and why he felt compelled to connect with Norm.
Norm returns the favor and gives his version of the shared history. Loyal listeners are already aware of Norm's total surprise that someone south of the Mason-Dixon line could form complete sentences, let alone have an honest compulsion to help a wretch like he.
Mike hangs out and the two take calls. The beloved Dorothy calls in along with many others. The two tackle the concept of road rage and spend the last half-hour digging deep into bail reform.
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Norm has W. Michael Boyer join LAL Live for a double dose on this Tuesday show. Michael is the producer of Law and Legitimacy and business attorney located south of the Mason-Dixon line.
In the first hour, the duo grapples with the Washington Post's recent analysis of the results of a University of Chicago Insitute of Politics' recent poll (read here: https://apple.news/Ahiyn-5D-T8uRtAaQ8u9L9Q).
Norm is troubled by the growing sense of a lack of legitimacy in the country. Michael is a bit more measured with his analysis but maintains that the psychology of the current cultural moment is marked by an obvious decline in the sense of community in America. Michael believes that people now more than ever suffer from a feeling that they are not being seen an heard.
Valued listener, Dorothy, calls in to agree with Norm and Mike and to share how the onset of the pandemic and related policy implementation has affected her along these lines.
Norm takes a few more calls from listeners in the first hour as he and Mike discuss the myriad ways that the decline in community can be seen and sensed in modern America.
In the second hour, Norm makes a hard pivot to a discussion of reparations. He asked Mike to unpack what is going on in the city of High Point, North Carolina, with the formation of the One High Point Commission—a City Council created body funded and charged with the delivery of a report that will ostensibly dictate how reparations should be delivered to members of the African American community in High Point.
Mike talks about the 'laboratory approach' he is seeing take shape in the interested parties' approach to finding suitable legal ground on which to build the defensible case for reparations—race-based transfer payments.
This is a saga that will be revisited often as new updates are available.
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Norm has W. Michael Boyer join LAL Live for a double dose on this Tuesday show. Michael is the producer of Law and Legitimacy and business attorney located south of the Mason-Dixon line.
In the first hour, the duo grapples with the Washington Post's recent analysis of the results of a University of Chicago Insitute of Politics' recent poll (read here: https://apple.news/Ahiyn-5D-T8uRtAaQ8u9L9Q).
Norm is troubled by the growing sense of a lack of legitimacy in the country. Michael is a bit more measured with his analysis but maintains that the psychology of the current cultural moment is marked by an obvious decline in the sense of community in America. Michael believes that people now more than ever suffer from a feeling that they are not being seen an heard.
Valued listener, Dorothy, calls in to agree with Norm and Mike and to share how the onset of the pandemic and related policy implementation has affected her along these lines.
Norm takes a few more calls from listeners in the first hour as he and Mike discuss the myriad ways that the decline in community can be seen and sensed in modern America.
In the second hour, Norm makes a hard pivot to a discussion of reparations. He asked Mike to unpack what is going on in the city of High Point, North Carolina, with the formation of the One High Point Commission—a City Council created body funded and charged with the delivery of a report that will ostensibly dictate how reparations should be delivered to members of the African American community in High Point.
Mike talks about the 'laboratory approach' he is seeing take shape in the interested parties' approach to finding suitable legal ground on which to build the defensible case for reparations—race-based transfer payments.
This is a saga that will be revisited often as new updates are available.
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Norm opens the show this week by making reference to a new poll that apparently yielded this result: 1 in 4 Americans now believes it is time for the American citizens to take up arms against the government.
Norm is incredulous. Who sponsored such a poll? What interest does that sponsor have in asking such a question?
A listener calls in to offer his perspective and an anecdote related to the poll. This compels Norm to talk about the community welfare exception to the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. But, Norm also doubles down on his belief that President Donald Trump is the metaphorical canary in the coal mine with respect to the legitimate use of state power in the modern United States of America.
Another listener calls and allows Norm to play devil's advocate on the topic of the knock-and-inquire police encounters recently focused on the presence of firearms in the target home.
Of course, as Norm predicted, the guilty verdict in the Steve Bannon trial was quick. Regardless of the legal merits of the guilty verdict or whether justice was done, Norm feels strongly this is a fact pattern and issue of law (the scope of executive privilege) that will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court.
Before Norm discusses the goings-on in the Alex Jones civil case in Texas right now, he takes calls about a local beach closure due to extreme heat.
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Norm opens the show recapping his conversation with yesterday's guest, Lancaster Mayor R. Rex Parris. Mayor Parris is certainly a climate change hawk, but Norm found his position a bit incomplete. That is especially so given the rather extreme commitment to coercing individual compliance with whatever science-inspired policy mandates that are Americans are likely to see tested in the coming years.
The Mayor mentioned Bill Gates as a trustworthy authority on the topic. Maybe that is okay. But it is a faith quite removed from that of a majority of the country who watched Gates influence American media during the height of government pandemic hysteria.
We'll stay on this.
What is pickleball? What is the appeal? Norm asks listeners to call in and explain.
Norm then shares a story of working within the brain trust for a political campaign back in the late 80's, and how his inability to parse the utter BS led to his resignation. The candidate ultimately lost. Coincidence?
The House Select Committee on January 6th continues to renege on its promises to show the American public real evidence of the Trump-led conspiracy to overthrow the Capitol during certification of the 2020 presidential election.
And was there an ambiguity in Vice President Pence's obligations with respect to the certification, or not? If not, why pass the recent bill clarifying the role thereof to eliminate doubt? If so, why was President Trump's interpretation of the law categorically unreasonable?
Norm shares his belief that the American identity is up for grabs by discussing the seditious conspiracy charges against Proud Boys Enrique Tarrio and Joe Biggs. Have you heard the recent revelations regarding the third unidentified Proud Boy that has come forth to call out the lack of evidence pointing to any cognizable plan with respect to J6? The feds are sitting on hundreds of hours of videotapes and recordings, but are curiously not relying on any of it in their pleadings.
What does this mean for the overheated rhetoric of the J6 Committee? No attempted coup. No link betwen Proud Boys and the President. Where's the beef?!
Norm spends the back half of the episode discussing the loss of communal trust, out of control violent crime rates, and growing homelessness around the country.
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Norm opens the show reflecting on the Dobbs decision and Senator Ted Cruz's recent remarks concerning the future of other supposed 'rights' derived by the Court pursuant to its right to privacy jurisprudence in recent decades.
In particular, Norm is preoccupied today with the thought that the federal right to gay marriage will indeed be the next to be peeled back. But he is uncomfortable with that. Of course, the decisions are a mess. But they're not ones that Norm is ready to disband the republic over. And doesn't that seem like what's stake?
Norm reviews the function of the bill of rights—the first ten amendments to the constitution and the subsequent amendments ratified and added in later years. We don't want Justices making law based on what they think it should be; that's the role of Congress and our elected legislative officials.
Norm shares a rare story about being recruited by the Central Intelligence Agency back in the early 1980's and his trips to Manhattan and D.C. for a series of interviews. Hear why Norm probably flunked his polygraph exam.
One thing that stuck out was the insistence from the Agency that it know whether Norm had ever indulged in homosexual activities. Maybe it was the middle finger to the two-way mirror on his way down the hall. Maybe it was his palpable issues with authority. Whatever it was that kept Norm from becoming an Agency operator, we will never know.
The file is guarded by the Privacy Act.
Norm takes calls from listeners to discuss the likelihood that Dobbs forecasts some foundational shifts in our rights to privacy in the years ahead, and why Ted Cruz's comments are not so absurd all things considered.
America is currently playing with its social chemistry in ways that are having unexpected consequences.
Norm is joined in the second hour by R. Rex Parris, famed trial lawyer, Mayor of Lancaster in northern California, and longtime friend of Norm's.
Rex joins Norm to discuss his experience as a mayor and his view and approach to the climate change spectacle dominating our media headlines. Parris is keen on understanding how to create the first "net zero" city in the country by way of hydrogen technology and its innovations.
Are we really staring down an existential threat to human existence? Rex did not always believe this, of course. He would say "belief" is the wrong way to conceptualize it. According to Rex, the science about climate change is indisputable. What did Rex read? Norm asks for his listeners. Rex references a book by Bill Gates he found persuasive.
Norm and Rex discuss the recent Supreme Court decision regarding the EPA and the likely consequences.
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Norm is still broadcasting from the shores of Lake Memphremagog, a glacial lake next to the border between Vermont and Quebec, Canada.
The first thing on his mind is the emerging public health state. This was a topic Norm unpacked a few weeks back and he was inspired to review the history of the separation of powers pursuant to the United States federal constitution. But? Federal power under the constitution has been a constant source of concern for those who have catalogued the stretch and flex of the constitution from the founding through the Civil War (13th, 14th, 15th amendments, and equal protection and due process), the Great Depression (the administrative state).
But Norm believes we are on the brink of a fourth wave of constitutional interpretation and staring down at the emergence of the public health state. The fear? Something fundamentally new in American government—perhaps something not seen since King George—is coming. President Biden is set to issue an executive order declaring a climate change a national health emergency.
With federal, state, and local governments' botched responses to COVID-19 in the rear view, why would we want to give the executive branch sweeping new powers to address climate change?
Of course, the problem is that not everyone's vision of public health is the same. Consider handgun violence and racism. Arguments have been advanced by advocates that those, too, are public health emergencies.
Norm takes calls on the subject.
What is the proper vision of individualism?
Norm discusses the curious case of Steve Bannon, his background, and why the disposition of his case is significant. The House Select Committee on J6 issued a subpoena for Bannon to testify. He ignored it. Rule number 1: don't ignore a subpoena.
Bannon was playing the odds. But he didn't anticipate the Justice Department convening a grand jury, which would indict Bannon for contempt of Congress. What defense can Bannon raise? And what is jury nullification?
Norm spends time in the latter part of the show talking about the danger of a government that prioritizes the instruction of virtue to its citizens at the expense of the hard skills, such as S.T.E.M. Such manifests as a form of social slavery not so different from the momentum we are seeing today. The narrative of white supremacy is alluring. But the study of such grievances destroys culture.
No one is entitled to anything simply because of who they are. And when the Department of Education is behind that, it has totally lost its legitimacy.
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Norm opens the show by asking listeners to opine on the possibility that disgraced Bridgeport, Connecticut, Mayor might make a comeback in the realm of law and politics. And listeners called in in resounding fashion.
Joe Ganim served 7 years in a federal prison for a myriad convictions including extortion and wire fraud, but not before being elected as the Mayor of Bridgeport from 1991 to 2003. He won election again in 2015 and is currently serving his 7th term as Mayor of Bridgeport.
But there is another investigation ongoing. Should Ganim be allowed to continue holding public office? And should he be granted his law license back?
The entree of today's show is the return of one of LAL's favorite guests, Jimmy Vallee of Valhil Capital. Norm and Jimmy dive deep into the ongoing litigation between the Securities and Exchange Commission and Ripple Labs, the blockchain technology company that promulgated popular crytocurrency XRP.
$100MM in legal fees? Is XRP a security? And who regulates the regulator?
Jimmy unpacks many of the very obvious conflicts between private companies competing with Ripple, the transition of key figures from those private entities into the public service at the SEC, and the SEC's subsequent behavior with respect to XRP's rather arbitrary designation as a security.
The notion of 'regulatory capture' is a concept that LAL routinely indulges. And the Ripple case is a complicated one.
For all of our listeners, please visit cryptolaw.us (run by a former guest, John Deaton) to find all of the information related to this case. There is even a button that will pre-fill an email to your local representative.
The SEC has some 'splainin' to do. And the outcome of midterm elections may portend a fiery future, perhaps by way of congressional committee or other investigative means.
Norm updates on the Twitter v. Elon Musk matter. The Delaware Chancery Court has granted Twitter's motion to expedite trial, and has set the date for October 2022. Rocket docket, here we come!
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Norm is joined as he is at the start of every work week by producer of law and legitimacy and North Carolina-based attorney, W. Michael Boyer.
On the menu for the first hour is the latest developments in the Elon Musk-Twitter acquisition efforts. In particular, Musk and his team sent a letter terminating the deal and Twitter has responded by filing a lawsuit in the Delaware Chancery Court seeking Elon's specific performance of the $44B contract between them, along with a motion to set an expedited trial schedule.
Norm queries Mike on the basics of Twitter as a technology, the basics of the deal, and the basics of the lawsuit Twitter has filed. So far, Elon and his team have only responded in opposition to Twitter's motion to expedite trial. We await the disposition of that motion before Elon and his team will file an answer to Twitter's lawsuit in earnest.
Mike speculates about the reasons anchoring Twitter's strategy, the likelihood of the success, and ponders the profound idea that a court could ever grant Twitter equitable relief—that is, order Elon and his team—to spend $44B. Is there sound legal precedent?
Norm backs up to establish the legal fundamentals of every contract (e.g., offer, acceptance, consideration) and Mike illustrates the concepts using the facts of Elon-Twitter lawsuit.
The two end the first hour by analyzing the most recent information flowing from the investigation of the Ulvade shooting—370+ officers responded but no one had the impetus to intervene in more than an hour of unabated massacre? Are we at a crisis of competency in this country?
In the second hour, Norm forges ahead solo. He opens with a historical lookback of witchcraft and executions in the early colonial territory of Connecticut. Connecticut's experiments predate the Salem Witch Trials in Massachusetts. How is it that we come to believe things that in a calmer moment may be implausible?
In the 17th century, there was a phenomenon known as "Frontier Anxiety." Are we experiencing that today in some material respect? And is the continued preoccupation with remedying the alleged wrongs from hundreds of years ago a troubling development for a country seemingly infatuated with race based transfer payments?
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Norm is of the view that life begins at conception. He will even go so far as to say that there are circumstances that warrant taking that life.
The springboard for this conversation is the news making headlines about the 10 year-old Ohio girl who was brought to an Indiana abortion clinic to terminate a pregnancy. The supposed father has been arrested for statutory rape. Neither the 10 year-old nor her mother have made allegations of unconsented conduct between the two. But there is no doubt. This case is quite complex factually and morally.
Norm shares that the age of consent at the time of America's founding was 7. That is shocking. But so is the notion that a 27 year-old could have a consensual sexual relationship with a 10 year-old.
Should the mother be prosecuted? Under what theory?
Looking back, it is important to understand that the Supreme Court of the United States did not render abortion illegal in the United States. States have the freedom to set their own course. In this case, Ohio's law made abortion unavailable to the 10 year-old because of the maturity of her pregnancy. She thus was referred by a clinician to an Indiana clinic because of the 'favorable' contrast in state law.
But Norm shares his deep feelings about abortion and the battle lines being drawn around the abortion issue: life for life vs. quality of life. In other words, when the mother to-be is at existential risk in connection with the pregnancy, it appears obvious that the moral case for abortion is clear. However, when the justification locates around "quality of life" for the unborn baby, the moral case is extremely murky.
What life can be more important than that of being a parent?
Norm takes a call from Andy of Derby. Always a delight!
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Norm opens the show with breaking news out of Norwich, Connecticut—a shooting outside the courthouse.
If ever there appeared a time in our nation's history that we need defense from each other, it is most certainly now. Norm references Thomas Hobbs' 17th century thoughts on nature. Is our social contract broken? With more than 300 mass shootings tallied for 2022 by the end of June, we should be rattled into real self-reflection about that.
Norm takes a call from listener, Dorothy, to talk about hope. And the two exchange some moving stories from their own lives to all listeners.
An attorney from Norm's office calls to give additional details about the shooting incident at the Norwich courthouse (GA-21).
The big question on Norm's mind is one that has been percolating recently in the public consciouness: should the parents of mass shooters share in culpability for the crimes of their children?
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Norm opens the show with a somewhat redeeming story about the Wall Street Journal in response to a correction the publication made about Alex Jones and his presence at the Capital on January 6, 2021.
But the J6 Committee is doing damage. Norm uses the Wall Street Journal Correction to contrast the regrettable behavior of U.S. Representative Jamie Raskin and his role in the current politcal maelstrom resulting from the Committee's ongoing hearings.
While Norm rejects the proposition that the 2020 Presidential election was compromised in a manner consistent with intentional voter fraud, and further underscores the disappointment with President Trump's lack of grace and exploitation of his disenchanted voter base, he reaffirms that there is no legitimate proof that President Donald Trump authorized an invasion of the Capital nor did any of those sympathetic to him.
The fact is simple. The J6 Committee is in over its head, underfunded, and chasing a ghost. The Committee cannot consummate its promise to the American people. We should be done with it.
Norm talks about the testimony of an Oath Keeper at the J6 Hearings and the dubious credibility thereof.
Why have we not formed a congressional committee focused on the causes of the obvious disaffection and sense of declining legitimacy among so many of our fellow American citizens?
Norm transitions to a discussion of the exchange between Senator Holly and Professor Bridges at a recent Senate Hearing this week. It is a simply astounding window on the world.
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Mike sticks around for the second hour of the show as Norm continues his Monday walk on the wild side.
The two first address the seeing reemergence of masks in response to the rising levels of the latest variant. Norm shares his reluctance to put one on and a nearing level of contempt for the idea itself. Mike agrees, expressing the apparent religiosity of it all.
Norm queries whether Mike is afraid of the Proud Boys as a way of connecting the otherwise separate concepts through the observation that people seem callous to re-examination of their own initial conclusions on the topics du jour.
Norm then reads from an article in the New York Post in which a Manhattanite visits Boston and marvels at how normal Boston is by comparison.
The duo entertain listener calls, one in particular asking for an explanation of what Norm and Mike mean when they say "co-equal" branches of government in the context of the federal separation of powers.
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Norm is joined as he is on the first day of every week by W. Michael Boyer, the producer of Law and Legitimacy and North Carolina-based attorney.
Norm opens the show with a monologue inspired by ParaCon II, Connecticut's first and original paranormal convention coming to the Ansonia Armory on July 16th and 17th. Find tickets here: https://paraconn.ticketleap.com/paraconn2/dates.
Norm is, as the kids say, "on one" today and in full comedic bloom as he catches up with Mike after his lakeside vacation. Mike talks about his beautiful tan, the freedom of not wearing shoes, and then takes Norm's questions about Michael Moore's latest muppet-driven public offering.
Michael Moore has proposed what he regards as the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution, which is an explicit repeal of the Second Amendment and the individual's right to bear arms. Norm and Mike briefly analyze the components of Moore's verbose offering before talking about the bigger question: is liberty and safety a false dichotomy?
The duo then transitions before the break to some observations about the upcoming testimony in the January 6 Committee Hearings. The next testimony has been promised to link the events of January 6 to President Trump's communications.
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Norm opens the second hour discussing a recent headline in the Connecticut legal community, the matter involving lawyer Carl Ferraro of Norwalk, Connecticut. In particular, Mr. Ferraro has been charged with 8 counts of first-degree larceny for the misappropriate of millions in client funds from the law firm trust account.
One feature of this prosecution that bugs Norm is the court's requiring Mr. Ferraro to post a $2M bond in order to be granted pre-trial release. The Connecticut constitution is unique in that it grants Connecticut's citizens the right to a reasonable bond. Norm compares this bond assessment to one in connection with his representation of another client. What does a 'reasonable bond' mean? The result of not knowing that standard inures exclusively to the detriment of criminal defendants who are supposed to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.
Norm then pivots to President Biden's recent comments about the Supreme Court of the United States's decision in Dobbs and the troubling implications of the executive branch undermining the legitimacy of the Court through responsive executive action. The popularity or lack thereof of the decision notwithstanding, President Biden's comments are more than a legal infirmity; they reflect a deference to political bias at the expense of our constitutional system.
Later historians will come to know the fourth wave of American Constitutional law by the emergence of the 'Public Health State.' Norm breaks down the first three waves, and then discusses the troubling authoritarian trend of the fourth. What is federalism? What is the separation of powers?
American government is premised on mechanisms that work in concert to diffuse power. Is a declining civics literacy blinding us to the growing consolidation of power we have seen on the back of the pandemic?
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Norm opens the show with an important correction regarding the state's authority to involuntarily commit an individual and how long that temporary commitment may last. Thank you to WICC's own Lisa Wexler for listening and providing our listeners with the right information.
Norm begins the show in earnest by discussing the Randy Cox case, which is making headlines for the questionable handling of an inmate transfer resulting in the apparent paralysis.
How are officers trained? What tools are available to them? And what do officers experience on a day to day basis in their encounters with the individual that lead to an observed calousness from the vantage of a detached media and public?
Norm takes a balanced approach in analyzing the Randy Cox case. While the officers might have been correct to be suspicious of Cox's words of apparent injury, Norm explains why they're conduct appears to have been way over the line.
But the bigger issue is what Norm has called race entrepreneurship. As applied here, Norm questions what business Ben Crump has with the Randy Cox case beyond the new requirement that prisoner transport vehicles be equipped with seatbelts. In other words, what about the Randy Cox case warrants the lens of racial discrimination?
The concern here is one anchored in the most fundamental component of legitimacy.
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If you found yourself in a position of supreme authority to make and enforce laws in the United States, what would you do to mitigate and curb gun violence?
Should we ban handguns altogether? Norm has a proposed rule.
No one should be able to own or possess a handgun in America except for Norm.
Has the firearm become an instrument of political power? Isn't that what we see right now in Chicago? With these nutty shooters, like Crimo?
Can we legislate fear away? Norm recalls the great quote from Franklin Roosevelt, "we have nothing to fear but fear itself." Norm is open to the possibility that the Constitution has outlived its usefulness, but not persuaded that any of the existing regulatory paradigms or gun control advoacy are adequately aimed to address a primarily cultural problem.
Norm takes calls from listeners to discuss the hypo.
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Norm opens the show discussing the function of the Supreme Court of the United States—to say what the law is—by examining the history of the Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren, who served on the Court from 1953 to 1969.
The Constitution certainly is not written in granite, but certainly the outrage we are seeing—"the crisis in the air"—illustrates the true cultural polarity in the modern American scene.
Norm also discusses the next major inflection point in American politics: the administrative state. That is, the Court's opinion in the EPA case reflects what many Americans have been saying for the last several years; that we are not a nation governed by experts. Why, then, is the Court's direction to Congress to step in and provide guidance to the EPA so important right now?
Norm then points out to the listener a fascinating book written in 1971, "Critical Elections and the Mainsprings of American Politics" by Walter Dean Burnham.
Burnham asked what it was that defines how our political parties attach themselves to our cultural issues.
Norm has had an ambivalent relationship with the Federalist Society for as long as it has existed. Why? And what is the future of the Federalist Society?
In the second hour, Norm focuses on the Randy Cox case making headlines. He is then joined by LAL regular, Kevin Alan, who is running for Lt. Governor of Connecticut on the Libertarian ticket. And Norm is also joined by the Libertarian candidate for Governor, Aaron Lewis. Why would a Connecticut resident give a Libertarian candidate his or her vote?
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Norm is joined at the beginning of the short week as he always is by W. Michael Boyer, the producer of Law and Legitimacy and North Carolina-based attorney. Norm and Mike discuss a myriad topics centered on the high profile happenings at the Supreme Court.
What does Michael Moore's status and influence mean for the greater population of American citizens that share some or all of his views? And what of the call for Justice Clarence Thomas's impeachment?
In the second half of the show, Norm is joined by George Colli. George is the founder of G. Colli, a local news startup aimed at redirecting the news business from an advertiser-centered model to a viewer-and-truth-focused model.
George Colli is a veteran journalist with experience covering some of the biggest stories in the world for broadcast television, radio, print and digital organizations.
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Ahead of the 3-day weekend, Norm thanks listeners for keeping him around through 9 weeks of the Norm Pattis Show. For all of you loyal LAL listeners, our gratitude knows no bounds. Thank you for setting out on this journey with us.
Norm opens the show talking about his disappointment with the USA Today article naming the Top 50 Pizzerias in the United States—where is the New Haven representation?! Incredible.
A local listener calls in to tell Norm about her favorite local spots and toppings, which sets off a tidal wave of pizza talk. Another listener calls in to share his favorite local pizza shop and toppings and then asks Norm to explain a legal perspective on the Cassidy Hutchinson congressional testimony that apparently conflicts with the position of the Secret Service.
The main event for this episode is our guest, John Deaton, founder of Deaton Law Firm and Crypto-Law.us. Norm has John on talk about a letter that John wrote to a Senator just recently detailing the alleged Securities and Exchange Commission's unfair and abusive treatment of Ripple and holders of XRP.
The key question, as we have addressed before, is whether digital assets like Etherium and XRP are considered securities for purposes of investment and regulation. John details how absurd the treatment of XRP is—could every holder of XRP in the world today be guilty of transacting unlawfully in unregistered securities?
This is a serious question, given the SEC's public position against Ripple, its founders, and the token XRP itself. Are crypto/digital assets better regarded as commodities or securities?
Norm and John discuss the concept of agency capture and what it means the in context of the SEC, its commissioners, former commissioners, and the entities for whom the SEC apparently has acted almost exclusively to protect.
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Norm opens the show discussing the news surrounding the sentencing of long-time girlfriend and counterpart to the late Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, for her role in facilitating the sex trafficking of underage minors.
What the hell is Governor Ned Lamont doing by extending the state's Public Health Emergency? We get the government we deserve, sure. But there has been an absolute failure of will in this state to produce candidates that have a vision for what ordinary people want in their everyday lives.
Norm details the facts surrounding a lawsuit a student has brought against the Hopkins School in New Haven for his expulsion behind his use of the one word for which society has yet to determine the rules of its use.
Leading up to the esteemed guest, Norm spends some time discussing the January 6 Commission Hearings and how short it has fallen in achieiving what America truly needs in this moment of obvious polarization and dysfunction.
Then, Udo Middelmann calls in from Switzerland. Friends of Law and Legitimacy will remember Norm's interview of Udo several months ago. Udo was Norm's tutor in the 1970's when Norm was on an existential search for spiritual meaning and guidance. Norm asked Udo to join him for this radio segment in response to yesterday's caller who lamented the problems of the Holy Bible.
What is the nature of biblical authority? Udo is a scholar in law and theology. You may find his life's work here.
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Norm opens the show talking about the frenzy that has become criminal court in a post COVID judicial system, and offers an anecdote or two to shed some light on why the public's often low regard for attorneys is sometimes justified.
Norm then transitions to a discussion of one SCOTUS decision from this term that did not get much press during recent days, what he calls a "sleep decision", Vega v. Tekoh, which deals with Miranda Warnings.
You know "Miranda Warnings" from TV shows, "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney, if you cannot afford an attorney . . ."
SCOTUS held that Section 1983 claims may perhaps not be sustained simply because a law enforcement official neglects to read an arrestee his or her Miranda rights at the point of arrenst.
Norm offers some general advice about how to handle inquiries from law enforcement. Pay attention!
The Fifth Amendment protects us from being compelled to make statements against our interests. So what now? Well, Miranda Warnings are only required when a person is in custody. But that is a very tenuous place during an encounter with law enforcement. Norm breaks down why this is chilling—that Miranda rights are merely prophylatic measures serving the "greater good" rather than constitutional rights.
Norm then comments on his contempt for Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont's overt and shameless willingness to make the Dobbs decision a tone deaf campaign issue.
The J6 Committee is hearing new evidence about Trump's activities on January 6. Are we even to take them seriously? Norm spends most of the balance of the show discussing the concept of authoritarianism and suggesting authoritarian dystopian literary classics for loyal listeners to discover or rediscover.
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Norm is joined in the first hour as he is at the start of every workweek by the co-host and producer of Law and Legitimacy and North Carolina-based attorney at Carolina Craft Legal, W. Michael Boyer.
Last week, Norm and Mike capped off the end of a rapidly crescendoing news week by analyzing the mechanisms and likely impacts of SCOTUS's decisions in New York Pistol and Rifle Association and Dobbs (Second Amendment and Abortion cases respectively).
With so much cultural and political fallout from the latter, the two decide to "wade" back into the waters of the Dobbs decision in today's episode, this time focusing on the relationship between abortion and the right to privacy. Why?
Norm focuses on an opinion piece penned to the New York Times and which appeared in the Saturday edition, written by none other than Senator Elizabeth Warren. While Senator Warren makes calls for abortion to be recognized as a federal constitutional right, Norm reminds listeners of Senator Warren's parallel preoccupation and support of the emerging public health state.
On the heels of nearly two years of top-down pressure from both state and private corporations coercing individuals to receive coronavirus innoculations, Norm queries whether our current concept of the individual right to privacy is under existential threat.
Mike illustrates his working mental model for the politics of abortion, privacy, capital punishment, and the emerging public health state (which both Norm and Mike understand as functionally the same as an emerging federal police power).
The two receive a glowing review from a caller thanking Norm for speaking plainly and with substantive merit to the public every day.
The two end the hour by unpacking Lanier v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, a case originating in Massachusetts in March 2019, dealing with Tamara Lanier's claim for negligent infliction of emotional distress. Specifically, Ms. Lanier claims—and the Supreme Judicial Court apparently agrees—that Harvard breached its duty of care to her in its treatment of her claims that she is the direct lineal descendant of one of the salves depicted in certain daguerreotypes dating to 1850.
With the limited time remaining Norm expresses his relief that this SCOTUS term has come to an end, and analyzes a view of the lesser regarded decisions that have been handed down.
Norm is joined by Brian Festa in the second hour. Listeners may recall Brian Festa from previous Law and Legitimacy and LAL Live episodes. Brian is the face of We The Patriots USA and a great friend to the LAL family. Norm asks Brian to give his opinion on the public reaction to Dobbs and to extrapolate those opinions to a larger criticism of American society.
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Norm opens the show questioning whether the United States Constitution fits the demands of our society anymore. He begins with a monologue framing the issues of both New York Rifle and Pistol and Dobbs decisions.
Norm clarifies his solemnity by saying simply that he cannot say that SCOTUS got it wrong in either ruling. The question, though, is whether our society can endure in a scenario as politically divisive as the current one in America.
The show begins with an analysis of New York Pistol and Rifle and its impact on the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
The lion’s share of the show, however, is devoted to an analysis of Dobbs. In particular, Norm and Mike unpack Justice Clarence Thomas’s concurrence in Dobbs and what such a concurrence might portend for the jurisprudential future of what legal scholars have come to know as substantive due process.
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In a 6-3 majority opinion written by Justice Clarence Thomas, The Supreme Court of the United States ruled in New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn., Inc. v. Bruen that New York's proper cause requirement for obtaining an unrestricted license to carry a concealed firearm violates the Fourteenth Amendment in that it prevents law abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
Before he explores this, Norm follows up on yesterday's analysis of the ethical quandary of giving to panhandlers, and also asks the audience to confirm whether they have actually seen any of the supposed immigrants from the southern US border being dropped off at Westchester Airport. Norm is skeptical, but wants to know whether there any confirmed reports. He has a theory of how Twitter might be an echo chamber or silo that we each fall into individually, usually without any self-awareness.
Today's main course is Norm's interviews of two of Connecticut's candidates for governor and lieutenant governor, Aaron Lewis and Kevin Alan Skulczyck respectively. Listeners may recognize Mr. Skulczyck from his internet show and previous appearance on Law and Legitimacy under the Kevin Alan Show banner.
Dr. Lewis is a Libertarian Party candidate for Governor in Connecticut, and also a prolific author and founder of Hartford, Connecticut, based nonprofit, The Scribe Institute.
Learn more about Dr. Lewis, his platform, and his plans for Connecticut here: https://lewisforgovernor.com/about/.
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Norm takes a detour to crowdsource input from listeners on a topic that has been in the back of his mind for a long time: panhandling.
He begins with a story of Troy and how Troy burned his trust.
There appears to be an increasing rise in the homeless population, at least in the New Haven area. Norm explores his feelings of guilt, his aversion to eye contact, the complex feeling of obligation paralleled by a resentment for those who won't pick up their own beds and walk.
What are we to do as citizens? What are our obligations to the homeless who beg that we assist them as we pass?
Housing activists claim that housing in a human right and that we are obligated to provide housing for every citizen. Norm understands the sentiment, but queries why we must be accountable for others' poor decisions or circumstances? It is a complicated question.
Instead of going at the topic alone, Norm solicits callers' opinions to get a better sense of how others approach the topic of the homeless, the mentally ill, the panhandlers.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by a young Connecticut attorney with whom he's been impressed for several years, James 'Jim' Hardy.
Jim begins by endorsing Norm as a candidate for President of the United States and Norm responds by nominating Jim to join the cabinet as Vice President.
It is upon that mutual respect and admiration that Norm and Jim indulge a thoughtful yet frank discussion of race relations in America today, complete with alternating perspectives regarding key cultural events over the last several years.
The two address the concept of reparations and share their starting assumptions in order to build a deeper discussion of what America's current and growing preoccupation with race is missing.
Norm takes a couple of listener calls and invites Jim back on for a future visit to continue giving sunlight to one of the most important topics in America today.
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Norm is joined at the top of the week as he always is by W. Michael Boyer, producer of Law and Legitimacy and attorney somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon line.
Norm opens the show by asking whether anyone is paying attention to the House Select Committee on January 6's ongoing hearings, and asks whether the outcome of the hearings will have any material, positive effect on the deepening political divisions in the United States.
Michael shares his opinion reinforcing Norm's observations that the hearings only serve to solidify the existing polarity. He uses an example of a political ad he saw in which a hard right of the republican party advocates hunting down R.I.N.O.'s, Republicans In Name Only, to illustrate the parity of the worsening political extremes.
Norm then takes a couple of calls, one perhaps as honest as we've heard in weeks.
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Paul Bass is the founder and EIC of the New Haven Independent, one of the nation's first online-only, nonprofit multimedia newspapers. He is also the author of one of Norm's favorite books, "Murder in the Model City: the Black Panthers, Yale, and the Redemption of a Killer," a recount of the trial of 8 Black Panthers members accused of murdering a spy among them.
Similar to the magic of Norm's discussions with Ron Coleman, Paul Bass is an undeniable spirit, committed to the first amendment protections for the press.
Paul is a lifer in the newspaper business. And if you ask us? He is the essence of American journalism.
Paul joined Norm on a daily live show just a couple of weeks back. As you will hear, radio's advertising constraints simply did not do a service to the nature of Norm and Paul's intellectual journey. So Paul agreed to join Law and Legitimacy for a Fathers Day edition of the pod.
Norm and Paul discuss what Paul calls the "big lobotomy" that has occurred in journalism, one that has seen hedge funds and highly capitalized corporate interest neutralize the independent voice in news and reporting. Paul also shares why he believes that such a dumbing down and whitewashing of reporting has cultivated "the Golden Age of Journalism" through the hundreds of experiments taking place today outside the walled garden of major corporate news.
Preoccupied with how newspapers remain viable, Norm asks Paul to talk about the business model that has worked for Paul with the New Haven Independent, to unpack the limitations of advertising revenue as a model for scaling quality reporting, and how search engine optimization has replaced truth in the most basic sense of the word when it comes to sources of news and reporting upon which most Americans still today rely.
Paul is an opponent of all hate speech laws, but is able to parse the nuance of message board management and the role of each outlet in deploying a realistic approach to platform censorship. In his own words, Paul is able to "embrace [his] inner China" when it comes to discerning between normal discourse and potentially slanderous personal attacks. Have we found a different door through which the likes of Twitter should walk?
The two talk broadly about American media as the mirror of its current society, analyze whether there has been a true loss of legitimacy in American institutions, and explore the proposition that working as a journalist is an inherently spiritual vocation.
Perhaps one of Paul's most compelling qualities is his how politely he asks Norm whether he may disagree with him. This episode went a bit over time, but you will hear why. Enjoy Paul Bass.
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Norm opens the second segment by reminding listeners of the several cases that the Supreme Court is set to rule on as its session comes to a close. In particular, Norm highlights the Dobbs case and its imminent impact on Roe v. Wade. What of the leaks? Justice Clarence Thomas has stated publicly that the Court has become something less than a collegial exercise of power and that as a result the Court is beginning to appear like the rest of our country, divided on issues that are extremely difficult to overcome.
Norm then welcomes Dr. Michael Goldstein, candidate for Congress in Connecitcut's 4th Congressional District (https://goldsteinforcongress.com/). Goldstein has lived in Connecticut for 35 years and has been an opthamologist for most of his life. Goldstein went to Pace Law School later in life and an active medical physician. He recounts going to law school at night after spending all day in medical practice.
Norm asks what has attracted Goldstein to running for Congress. Goldstein shares his background in advocacy at the administrative level from his early career in medicine and his realizations of what may be broken in healthcare that mimics the larger symptoms of American life today.
Goldstein discusses his belief that Connecticut is still struggling to recover in earnest from the recession of 2008, and how the local political structure has failed to take advantage of Connecticut's natural assets in pushing it forward into economic and social prosperity.
Dr. Michael Goldstein is challenging the incumbent, Jim Himes. Goldstein answers Norms questions as to the Himes political strategy, Himes' long tenure in Congress, and what Goldstein would deploy as a political agenda to be favorable contrast to Himes' time in Congress.
One of Dr. Goldstein's primary competencies is the regulatory environment attendant to healthcare, and so he thus motivated to examine patient choice as a way to remedy declining outcomes and rising costs.
The primary is August 9th.
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Norm opens the show with an update on the New Fairfield Fire Department's announcement of an internal investigation and the lack of transparency in how it was reported by the Hearst-owned, local print newspaper. Why report the tease and not the story? What was so inflammatory?
It turns out, the inflammatory comments from a firefighter are alleged related to Juneteenth and the Confederate Flag. Norm speculates on the type of comment that might have formed the basis of the internal investigation, silly or not. Norm references the recent civil lawsuit stemming from crowd chants at a high school sports event and analyzes the legal merits of such an emotional distress claim.
The main event of this segment is Norm's analysis of the legal evidentiary standards attendant to hearsay evidence. Why? Well, the New York Times has reported that the J6 Select Committee is relying on hearsay testimony of a confidential witness. Norm queries: how is this the best quality evidence the House Select Committee has amassed after such a prolonged and resource-intensive investigation?
Moreover, is the Select Committee's preoccupation with the J6 investigation—one that has turned out to be lackluster and undisciplined—is now threatening to have a disproportionate negative effect on the due process required for the lawful prosecution of the J6 defendants, including Proud Boy Joe Biggs. Norm gives listeners a crash course on the evidentiary concept of hearsay, how it functions, and what is not hearsay either by definition or by exception.
How is Joe Biggs to reasonably expect a fair and impartial jury, and thus due process, in an environment where an announcement has been made that the President of the United States organized an attempted coup based on the unsworn testimony of an unnamed witness?
Norm updates on a recent Rasmussen Poll of everday Americans' concerns, including immigration, inflation, rising crime, and more.
He then closes with remarks about Steven Bannon's predicament now that he has ignored the subpoena power of the Select Committee pursuant to its investigation.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by Republican candidate for US Senator for Connecticut, Mr. Peter Lumaj.
Mr. Lumaj has a fascinating story with respect to his family's arrival in the United States more than 30 years ago. Put simply, Mr. Lamaj and his brothers fleed the communist regime in Albania—a decision so serious that his father sacrificed his own life at the hands of the Albanian government to guard the knowledge of his sons' departure from the country in defiance of the laws of the regime.
Mr. Lumaj is an attorney by trade and has thrown his hat into the ring to challenge the incumbent US Senator for Connectict, Richard Blumenthal.
This, of course, is what Norm has advocated for generally when he's said that this election cycle should be centered on removing all incumbents.
We must give tremendous credit to Mr. Lumaj for hanging in there and subjecting himself to a vintage Norm Pattis cross-examination on his platform and the tenets of his campaign.
Norm presses Mr. Lumaj on all of the issues that are top of mind with American citizens these days: law and order, the second amendment, mental health, climate change, immigration, and crony capitalism.
As prior guests have learned, when one steps to the Norm Pattis Show and Law and Legitimacy, one must necessarily step correct. We cannot help but to respect the fight and no-quit attitude Mr. Lumaj displays in withstanding the seemingly unrelenting barrage of questions from Norm. Perhaps that resilience is the type of character that has largely been lost in the American psyche. Leave it to a man who escaped the grips of communism to inject that back into our memory.
Regardless of where you stand on the issues presented or Mr. Lumaj's platform as articulated, this is the very discourse and accountability that needs to find its way home in American politics.
Thank you, Mr. Lumaj, for joining us. You may find his website and platform here: https://peterlumaj.com/
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Norm opens the first hour imploring citizens to vote for and to demand a return to common sense, citing the obvious upside-down character of the United States' governing structures across the country.
He then asks listeners to call in and help him understand what the Connecticut Post reported on with respect to the New Fairfield Volunteer Fire Department's announcement of an internal investigation pursuant to alleged "offensive" posts to social media by one of the department's firefighters.
But what were the posts? What was the content of the speech? And how condescending can the Connecticut Post be? Publish the content of the posts! Allow the readers to determine for themselves whether the speech in question was indeed offensive, or whether the story itself is yet another mere reflection of woke culture run amok.
Norm then whines about CNN and how unlikely it is to course correct in any meaningful way after its termination of Chris Cuomo and the rumored looming exit of Mr. Potato aka Brian Stelter, and of course after the deafeningly quiet exit of former President of CNN, Jeff Zucker. Will the new overlord make good on his promise to eliminate the comingling of news reporting and ideological biases? Best wishes, Chris Licht. We'll wait for CNN to show and prove.
A caller from earlier this week posed a question about the role of the Federal Reserve and posited that the overwhelming majority of Americans have no idea what it is, what it does, not to mention that it is not a formal body of our federal government. So, Norm takes an opportunity to shed light on the federal reserve, its role in regulating the American economy, the partisan divide on economic policy in America today, and the staying power of those appointed to the Board of the Federal Reserve. Is it time for an overhaul?
Norm then takes a moment to applaud Law and Legitimacy for breaking a story that Forbes finally picked up regarding the Securities and Exchange Commission and its apparently corrupt behavior with respect to the regulation of digital assets and cryptocurrency.
Specifically, Law and Legitimacy hosted Jimmy Vallee—Managing Partner of Valhil Capital and proponent of Ripple and XRP—to discuss the disparate treatment between Etherium and Ripple by the SEC to the latter's extreme detriment. How detrimental? Bigger than Enron in terms of the financial loss to Ripple investors.
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Norm opens the second segment inviting a discussion of whether computers have minds, and the distinctions between narrow intelligence, general intelligence, and super intelligence within the context of artificial intelligence.
However, W. Michael Boyer—producer of LAL and weekly call-in guest to the NPS—simply cannot contain himself and calls in to keep the conversation going about Happy the Elephant. We finally get him kicked off so Norm might continue the discussion of artificial intelligence in earnest.
Michael does point out, however, for Norm's consideration the strange failure of the law to acknowledge the in-between space between basic chattel/personal property value and that of human life. That is, humans have extremely deep bonds with their pets and tend to make irrational economic decisions with respect to medical care. Is there room in the law for this? It is a surprisingly big question.
Norm shares a deeply moving story of one of his pet's passing.
Then, he takes a call from someone who wants to talk about the Federal Reserve. Yes, it was a non-sequitor.
Norm finally draws out what is inside of us when we contemplate the intermediate position pets occupy and discusses critically the notion that machines might ever be able to do what humans do. By that, Norm does not mean simply mimic or predict behavior. Will computers ever have a sense of wonder? Will computers ever sincerely mourn the loss of an intermediate soul, like a pet?
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Norm opens the show with an announcement: he has entered an appearance on behalf of Joe Biggs and will stand between the incarcerated and persecuted Proud Boys member and the federal government in its pursuit of a seditious conspiracy conviction behind the events of January 6. More on this as it develops.
Norm then criticizes the January 6 Committee for its unexpected request for "more time" to prepare for its own hearings. Rome is burning and the Committee doesn't have a fire extinguisher? Get a grip!
The next few minutes of the opening segment are Norm's appeal to the citizens of Connecticut. Republican frontrunner in primary to challenge Richard Blumenthal this November in Connecticut’s U.S. Senate race is Themis Klarides. What does she have in common with the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz?
The main topic of today's show, however, is the story of Happy the Elephant. Happy has made headlines in recent days for something really incredible. The case brought before New York's highest court, the New York Court of Appeals, by the Nonhuman Rights Project, finally hit a wall. No, Happy the Elephant is not a human.
Norm spends time discussing the absurdity that this case even made it as far as it did and exploring the boundaries of personhood in his analysis of Happy's case.
He gets a call from Lisa Wexler and they volley back and forth about the merits of the Happy case. Of course, Norm invites the discussion in an effort to transition the conversation to that about Artificial Intelligence and our declining appreciation for what it is about humanity that cannot be obtained in a lab or by a computer.
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Norm is joined in this rewind version of LAL Live by esteemed D.C.-based lawyer, Dan Hull. This week, Norm entered an appearance on behalf of Dan Hull's client and J6 defendant, Joe Biggs, J6 defendant and member of the Proud Boys who on the eve of the J6 Commission hearings was charged through a superseding indictment with seditious conspiracy in connection with the events of January 6, 2021.
Norm asks Dan to shed light on the facets of the J6 prosecutions that are simply not making their way to the mainstream conversation, such as the nature of the Proud Boys, a profile on Joe Biggs, and what these prosecutions represent as we can best picture at this moment in American history.
What is a superseding indictment? Is the Proud Boys a white nationalist organization? What in the world were the members of the Proud Boys doing in D.C. on January 6th? And what of the disparity in treatment of the Proud Boys and Antifa in American media, politics, and our system of justice?
We have hosted Dan Hull on LAL multiple times before. His courage is nothing short of admirable, but indeed in short supply. Listen to this episode. Consider the courage Dan has displayed and the immense sacrifices he has made in defending a member of the Damned Class, and why Norm would so risk the same reputational and social recoils in pursuit of justice for Joe Biggs.
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Norm devotes the second hour to his thoughts about what the January 6 Committee should be asking now. Why are we a nation divided, and why are we armed to the teeth—white and black—and openly talking about civil war?
Read the opening monologue on the Norm Pattis Blog here: https://www.pattisblog.com/blog/7241/why-the-january-6-committee-will-get-it-wrong/
For the remainder of the second hour, Norm discusses what he sees as a possible result of the January 6 Commission's congressional hearings: Donald Trump is reasonably likely to be charged with wire fraud.
What is the commerce clause? What is wire fraud?
The issue of the "stolen election" is complicated. But there is a legitimate question as to whether Donald Trump had a credible belief that he was cheated out of a second term. Norm unpacks why and how.
Then, Norm takes a much-appreciated call from a listener who is advocating for getting NPS syndicated. We agree! And we appreciate the support.
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Norm opens the show doing his best impression of Mike and sharing the story of his first trip south of the Mason-Dixon line. Mike joins Norm to provide listeners a brief respite from the normal wear and tear of western civilization in decline. Or does he? Either way, Mike pops in as he does every Monday and engages Norm about the intersection of law and professional sports.
On the menu is an observation and analysis of the recent announcement of LIV Golf, the newest emergent competitor to the PGA which has made a big media splash in recent days. Also on the menu is a review of the Celtics-Warriors NBA Finals series and ABC's obligations to the FCC when the crowd decides it's just too fun not to chant "Fuck You Draymond" on live broadcast. The dessert menu includes a biting criticism of the Washington Commanders behind its $100,000 fine of Defensive Coordinator, Jack Del Rio, for his remarks regarding the summer riots of 2020 and the events of January 6th.
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Jimmy Vallee joins Norm and Mike for a Sunday Special long form.
Jimmy Vallee is a member of Law and Legitimacy alumni at this point, having appeared several times before today's session.
Public radio does not afford the sort of patience that something like digital asset regulation merits for proper examination. So that's what we've aimed here to remedy.
Jimmy Vallee is the managing principal of Valhill Capital, a Texas-based family investment firm with an investment thesis centered around blockchain and cryptocurrency innovation. Specifically, Valhill Capital views the blockchain technology Ripple and the digital currency XRP as the key drivers that will enable blockchain and cryptocurrency to deliver on its promise to unlock economic opportunity all over the world.
The problem? The Securities and Exchange Commission initiated a lawsuit against Ripple Labs in December 2020 alleging that Ripple's digital currency, XRP, is an unregistered security in violation of Section 5 of the Securities Act.
It gets complicated, which is why Norm and Jimmy begin the conversation with the context of society's increasing digitization, from base level information digitization (e.g., Uber) to value digitization as seen through the emergence of blockchains and cryptocurrencies.
The Ripple/XRP case is unique in that it stands as a beacon to justify at least the perceptible corruption and hypocrisy that has come to define our country's current crisis of legitimacy.
Norm and Jimmy unpack the comparison between Etherium's treatment as a commodity—outwardly ratified by the SEC—and the interesting public sector-private sector overlap between key individual players in the Etherium rise to apparent regulatory capture.
Jimmy also discusses a unique legal feature in the SEC v. Ripple case: attorney John Deaton's attempt to intervene as and additional defendant (!) on behalf of a class of XRP holders.
What is the deliberative process privilege? Is a congressional hearing a battleground that would favor XRP under the circumstances? And with the case scheduled to conclude in November 2022, how important will the 2018 Hinman speech be to the outcome?
Visit crypto-law.us and click "Connect to Congress" to help John Deaton and Ripple in getting congressional attention on this matter.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by a guy he met on an airplane, Mark Meckler. Mark is a co-founder of the Tea Party and is the founder and President of the Convention of the States.
Mark is originally from southern California, he is a lawyer who was one of the first internet privacy attorneys in the country, and one of the people who led the Tea Party movement in 2009.
The Tea Party has its origins in the TARP bailouts of the Obama administration. The Tea Party was originally designed to restore "first principles" of the United States and fiscal responsbility.
Norm and Mark discuss what Mark calls the ongoing moral collapse of America, the enumerated powers of the constitution, and what became of a historical, grass roots political movement and how the current moment compares to the ills the Tea Party set out to originally address.
Why should we care? We live in the longest surviving constitutional republic in the world and we should understand from whence it comes lest we lose it altogether.
Norm queries: is the constitution a moral document? What did John Adams say about the constitution and who it was for?
Have we lost our way?
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Norm opens the show talking about the opening to the January 6th Commission hearing and his disappointment with the framing.
We learned nothing from the first night.
The J6 hired an ABC executive to produce the hearings. We're not getting answers.
Are we moving toward two societies? Those plugged in and those unplugged? There are rootless people in our society who see that there is no place for them within it.
Norm discusses the legal underpinnings of House Committee formation and the standards by which they are supposed to abide. What we have is yet another partisan body seeking to justify a pre-determined conclusion by any means.
There is a crisis of legitimacy in the United States. We have become so suspicious of each other that something precious is being lost.
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Ray returns to the Norm Pattis Show to discuss his path to becoming an ordained minister, the role of religion in American society and public life, and share a few stories unique to himself and to his relationship with Norm.
Ray gets very personal, sharing the story of his psychological break, his temporary institutionalization, and the story of his journey into the faith.
Norm, admittedly preoccupied with our quest for eternity and the spiritual history of western society, presses Ray hard in an effort to understand Ray's experience and perhaps distill commonalities for us all.
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Norm is joined in the first hour by Jimmy Vallee, Managing Principal of Valhill Capital.
Jimmy joined the Norm Pattis Show a few weeks ago, but the two were cut off. Norm invited Jimmy back for a more robust discussion.
The two discuss the fundamentals of cryptocurrency, from function and technoligy, to the general ambition of blockchain development.
Jimmy has been very active in the securities side of cryptocurrency, specifically with Ripple, negotiating with the Securities and Exchange Commission about how these sorts of use cases should be regulated.
Hear how the regulatory environment is developing and how that will inevitably lead to the demise of many less reliable tokens and coins.
Regulation is said to be done in the public interest and for the public good. Norm asks whether and why the regulation is necessary. Jimmy discusses the opportunities for fraud via the "pump and dump" model and other examples.
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Norm goes the second hour alone and takes the opportunity to talk dynamically about the danger identitarians pose to the fabric of American culture.
Norm begins with an examination of a recent Wall Street Journal column, "Why Black Americans Are Buying More Guns".
Plaintiffs in the two most recent second amendment cases (D.C. v Heller; McDonald v. Chicago) have one characteristic in common. Do you know what that characteristic is? And how might that characteristic be belied by the narrative we're forcefed daily about gun violence and racism in America?
We have challenges to overcome.
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Norm opens the show discussing the history of The Weather Underground, the Richard Nixon impeachment behind Watergate, and why Americans should be suspicious of the modern moment as we approach the the J6 Congressional Hearings.
Norm also discusses what the recent election results in California may mean for the future of progressive district attorneys all over the country.
Then, Norm fields an interesting couple of questions from a caller. So much so that Norm spends a great deal of the remaining first segment discussing the two major views pertaining to our philosophy of history: the materialist view and the idealist view.
Is where one sits the sum of who one is? Is artificial intelligence the proof case?
Computers have beaten grandmasters in chess and other impressive feats, but does that mean that the sense of self simply a function of complexity?
Computers don't (yet?) evaluate their own states of mind. How does that impact modern American culture?
Norm shares a personal hypothetical related to this recognition to share that he is not satisfied with the materialist's explanation of the world.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by long-time friend and client, and friend of the Law and Legitimacy podcast, Jacqueline Polverari, an advocate for those individuals needing assistance with reentering society after nonviolence felony convictions resulting in incarceration.
After spending time in a federal corrections facility, Jacqueline discovered the immense difficulty inherent in transitioning back into normal life, and the total lack of support available to those similarly situated. She found her passion and a unique purpose in that struggle, and now works to assist those who have paid their debts to society and are looking to regain what was lost via incarceration.
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Norm opens the show stressing the importance of brave voices in media, specifically radio and broadcast. The context?
The Congressional hearings on the January 6 Commission meets Thursday of this week. Norm has attacked the legal foundations of the J6 Committee, and even sued on behalf of a client in the Committee's crosshairs based on the obvious foundational deficiencies in the Committee's formation and de facto political purpose.
What does Norm want to see out of the J6 report? Something that illustrates an understanding of the critical question of our time: what accounts for the fundamental division in America today?
Why so much violence in 2021, and why so much handgun violence in 2022? It's not like guns are new. Are people afraid of what's broken in our country? Are the ties that bind Americans to one another fray? If so, why?
What about the election of 2016?
Why the rise of conspiracy theories in American life?
What about communications in the era of Big Tech?
Norm discusses episode 69 of Law and Legitimacy, the interview with Enrique Tarrio. Go back and listen to that.
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How are the Roe v. Wade debate and the American gun debate related?
Norm spends the second hour in a legal and intellectual deep dive into foundational constitutional principles—the federal bill of rights, the notion of the "silly putty constitution", the emergence of non-explicit "rights" through inference, and where that leaves us today in the abortion and gun debates.
Norm believes SCOTUS will overturn Roe v. Wade with its forthcoming decision in Dobbs v. Mississippi Women's Health Center. Moreover, he's okay with that from a perspective of principle. But the calculus is not so straightforward when it comes to Heller's holding that the second amendment affords an individual right to gun ownership.
Norm then spends the final minutes of the second hour by examining the House Select Committee on J6 and whether it has been lawfully consittuted. He reviews his efforts by and through his representation of Alex Jones to attack the unlawfully formed committee in an effort to protect and safeguard the constitutional separation of powers.
Did you know the legislative branch of the United States government has taken the position that it does not honor or respect the attorney-client privilege?
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Norm is joined as he is every Monday by W. Michael Boyer, the editor and producer of Norm's podcast, Law and Legitimacy, and North Carolina-based business and regulatory attorney.
Norm opens the show with a monologue regarding the privacy rights of parents whose children are killed at the hands of mass shooters.
Mike hops in to continue the analysis of the recent public focus on mass shootings, providing weekend data for reference. Norm queries why we as a nation are so preoccupied now with gun violence and Mike offers his admittedly cynical explanation.
The two then transition to an update in the Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter. What is going on? Is there perhaps an explanation for why there is so much public friction around the issue of spam, bots, and Twitter's transparency or lack thereof?
What does Elon mean when he says he wants to ensure "free speech" is protected online?
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How much do you think you know about what your government is doing? At the state level? Locally?
Norm is joined in the second hour by Steve Farley and Kevin Blacker to discuss a project undertaken by Connecticut Port Authority that may not have had authority to begin in the first place, costing Connecticut taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Steve and Kevin detail the nature and scope of the project, how the Connecticut Port Authority has been mired in scandal in recent years, and how the Connecticut taxpayers have been conned into a job that was billed originally to cost $93MM but now will cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $250MM, burdening the taxpayer with all cost overruns above $157MM.
Are the stakeholders serving the public? What is an individual taxpayer to do?
Does Norm know where to buy road salt?
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Norm opens the show with words of appreciation for Harini Logan of San Antonio, Texas, the winner of the 2022 Scripps National Spelling Bee. Language is beautiful! Congratulations, Harini!
What did Hobbs have to say about words? They are "wise men's counters." You are what you read, think, and speak. In other words, the language we use defines us.
Norm is then joined by Shelton Tucker to discuss the Southern Poverty Law Center's recently published study showing a burgeoning belief that the United States is headed toward civil war. Why this national preening for chaos? Are we addicted to the rage within us?
Shelton is formerly a client of Norm's and a great friend. Norm and Shelton talk about how Americans find community and how we as a nation can reach across the color lines. Norm admits that his relationships have been strained in his search to discover what has gone wrong in our world.
Are race relations getting worse? Better? What does Shelton hope for in the future?
Shelton shares his research on race relations and his surprise at what members of his community do not even know.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by longtime friend and retired Supervisory U.S. Probation Officer, Ray Lopez.
Ray is also a sentencing mitigation expert, specializing in federal death penalty cases, and a published author and evangelist. Ray evangelizes "redemption" to the most hard core of criminals in the United States.
Ray discusses his pathway into his professional career, beginning with the story of how he himself landed on probation.
Listen as Ray describes his path from California childhood to state level probation work, the transition to federal probation work and how he ended up in Connecticut.
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Norm opens the show debriefing the outcome of the Depp-Heard trial. Is the #MeToo movement dead?
Heard's testimony was not credible. She was not a spokesperson for the tenets of the #MeToo movement. There will be appeals. Among them, the judgment against Depp is perhaps the most likely to be overturned.
Norm is then joined by former judge and Connecticut mediator and arbitrator, Robert Holzberg.
Norm and Robert discuss the appointment process, whether there has ever been a non-attorney judge in Connecticut, and why it is important for the public to have confidence in the role of the judge in the judicial process.
Robert talks about his personal appointment experience, being an appointment of Governor William O'Neill in 1990 at the young age of 37.
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Norm opens the second hour by discussing the incompetence of Governor Ned Lamont and the misguided $4M Connecticut voter initiative.
He is then joined by real estate expert, Tyler Dubuis, who talks with Norm about pandemic and post-pandemic real estate trends in the Northeast Kingdom (i.e., northern Vermont).
Why are there no Home Depot's in the Northeast Kingdom?
Why go to Vermont? Isn't that Bernie Sanders country?
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Norm opens the show by welcoming the audience back to the Cold War. What did the Daily Wire report about Russian comments regarding its own missle, SATAN-2, capabilities?
Is American foreign policy being intelligently managed? Is the war going to war? And if so, why?
Norm is joined by Frederico "Andino" Reynal, an attorney and former federal prosecutor based in Houston, Texas.
Norm queries Andino about the failed federal prosecution of Clinton campaign attorney, Michael Sussman, the shooting in nearby Uvalde, Texas, and the views of Texans of the second amendment amid gun violence.
What is the balance between safety and individual liberty under the American constitution?
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Norm opens the second hour debriefing a recent decision handed down in a client's case. Sentencing is to promote respect for the law. New Jersey is now calling for non-enforcement of warrants for low level crimes. That should be helpful for promoting respect for the law.
Norm is joined in the second hour by David Weiss, host of the "Flat Earth Podcast" all about the Flat Earth theory. David believes that the heliocentric model of Earth is the most important deception in the world.
Norm's question: does this deception even matter?
David views the round globe theory/heliocentric model as no different than a religion or belief.
Can David persuade Norm that the earth is indeed flat?
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Norm opens the first episode of the week with a monologue reflecting on the fifteen additional mass shootings that have occurred in the United States in the short days since the Uvaldi, Texas, elementary school shooting, and makes a call for congressional term limits.
He is then joined by Michael Boyer, the editor and producer of Law and Legitimacy, for a multi-varied discussion beginning with the forthcoming SCOTUS decisions regarding affirmative action.
Michael gives an overview of the two companion cases (Students for Fair Admissions Inc. v. University of North Carolina et al.; and Students for Fair Admissions Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College) and the legal issues presented for the Court's adjudication.
Norm and Mike also discuss privacy, the second amendment, student loan debt and potential relief, and the Depp-Heard trial.
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Norm and Mike connect on a Sunday afternoon for a well-deserved long form episode.
Uninhibited by the Ad Man, the duo begin with the elusive topic of "justice" by debriefing one of Mike's recent case resolutions.
Norm asks Mike to unpack the basics of trademark law in view of the anecdotal facts attendant to the relevant case. The two discuss the procedural considerations, the pressure of keeping the best interests of the client at the forefront at all times of litigation, and how the cost of pursuing a worthy legal remedy can often impart a bad taste in the mouth of a client a la "justice deferred" either in whole or in part.
The two transition to a debrief of this podcast's recent evolution to daily radio!
Most of you are aware by now, but for the uninitiated, Law and Legitimacy is LIVE ON THE RADIO in the form of "the Norm Pattis Show" on connecticut radio WICC 600 AM/107.3 FM every weekday from 12pm ET to 2pm ET, and streamed live online at https://www.wicc600.com/#. Norm is now a permanent fixture on the radio!
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Norm opens the second hour by getting reprimanded by an avid listener. He is also joined by Connecticut civil rights attorney, Mario Cerame, to talk about our coveted first amendment to the United States Constitution.
Mario is the self-described "nerd" at his firm, Brignole Bush and Lewis, practicing at the intersection of individual rights and government action.
How is a lay person supposed to know the difference between protected and prohibited speech?
The meaning of the freedom of speech is a difficult topic, and Norm and Mario agree that too often judges get a bit too creative with their respective interpretations of the first amendment's correct application.
The two bring the conversation full circle by discussing the merits of the notion courts might in the coming months or years begin to create a hate speech exception to the first amendment.
How realistic is that notion? And is there solid ground atop of which courts might build such an exception?
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Norm opens by recalling his whereabouts on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting, and what he saw this morning that brought him to a new low.
We get the government we deserve, but do we not deserve better than this?
We has become of service? What has become of honor? Law enforcement in Uvaldi have some explaining to do.
Norm points out the proposition that government has no duty to protect citizens against acts of private violence as SCOTUS held in DeShaney v. Winnebgo County DSS (1999).
Norm then pivots to the first hour's entree, Mr. John Maxwell, a former Wall Street professional and a long-time Norm friend.
What is the Federal Reserve Bank? Quantitative easing?
What about the current economic moment? John discusses the unique qualities of the current economic outlook and what factors are squeezing the average family financially.
If the Fed has explicitly stated that it is going to destroy demand in an effort to decrease inflation, how are rising interest rates therefore going to impact the market and the downstream economy? Locally? Globally?
Norm says it feels like a "giant shell game." Is it?
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Norm continues eviscerating Beto O'Rourke in the second hour.
He then turns his focus to how we should go about the conversation of what to do about guns in America.
Norm's law partner, Kevin Smith, recommended to Norm that he read Nicholas Kristoff's piece in the New York Times. Norm admits that, under normal circumstances, he wouldn't take such a suggestion, especially given the topical nature of the subject matter.
But one of life's great pleasures is loving and respecting people who come standard issue with opinions incongruent to one's own.
Norm obliges and delivers an epic shadow cross-examination reminiscent of his long form episodes.
He is then joined by Ira Judelson, Bail Bondsman to the Stars. Norm and Ira go way back. The two talk bail reform in New York, subway violence, and new trends in executive protection.
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Norm is joined in the first hour by the godfather of 1983 litigation, the esteemed John R. Williams. John is a close friend and lifelong mentor for Norm.
Norm wants people to get to know John, who has been practicing in New Haven, Connecticut, since 1969.
Originally from North Dakota, John went to Harvard for undergraduate studies where he worked summers for a conservative republican senator who afforded John the opportunity to work for him while John attended law school and graduated from Georgetown Law in D.C.
John was recruited by Aetna, which was opening an in-house lobbying department anchored in Hartford, Connecticut. Pro bono work became immensely popular as a mechanism for big companies to demonstrate "corporate responsibility." It was this fortituous intersection that led to John's passion and widespread impact in the law.
Listen to hear the history of how 1983 litigation was pioneered, how qualified immunity emerged as a response, and where we are as a society now.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by former federal prosecutor, David X. Sullivan.
David retired from the U.S. Attorneys Office after 30 years and ran for Congress in Connecticut's 5th Congressional District in the 2020 election.
David ran on a platform that countered the burgeoning tide of what he viewed as socialism and disregard for the basic rule of law as seen through the Summer Riots of 2020.
Norm asks Dan to define "socialism" and offers his own definition of the term as it relates to the modern American moment.
Norm and Dan discuss the rule of law and the issues surrounding mass shootings. One thing is for sure: cool tweets won't save us.
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Norm opens the show with a solemn monologue focused on the latest carnage in a Texas elementary school.
Something is broken. And we know to a moral certainty that the world we are living in is changing and our collective responses are what it requires to make it a better place.
Norm raises the question: why NOW in our history are all of these mass shooting happening? Why now for Columbine, for Sandy Hook, for Buffalo, for Robb?
Why NOW as opposed to the era of the civil war, or the Great War, or the 60's?
Something is broken in American culture and no one is talking about the true nature of the problems. 70,000 Americans are killing themselves each year, and we are seeing a drastic rise in the types of mass shootings we have seen this week at Robb Elementary.
America is now a strange place. Why are we not at home here?
America has a crisis of morale and community.
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Norm opens the second hour reading an excerpt devoted to the life of P.T. Barnum from Robert Wilson's, "Barnum in American Life."
Norm is joined in the second hour by Kathy Maher, the Executive Director of The Barnum Museum in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
Who is P.T. Barnum?
Norm and Kathy talk about Kathy's path into her position with The Barnum Museum, her initial hestitation, and how she became overwhelmed with Barnum's influence.
They then transition to a long form discussion of P.T. Barnum's life and legacy, and how his purchase of the American Museum changed the landscape of American history and culture.
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Norm opens the show discussing the shocking SCOTUS decision in Shinn v. Martinez-Ramirez, which curiously holds that evidence of bad lawyering such that a person is exposed to the penalty of death is insufficient to compel federal judicial intervention to preserve the life that might have otherwise been spared.
Norm unpacks federalism and the concept of habeus corpus. What is the latter? A remedy a person has against the government, usually seen through a "writ" which alleges the government is holding someone against their constitutional rights.
The United States Constitution's 6th amendment right to counsel—right to "effective assistance of counsel"—is one that is well known and understood in the criminal defense world. It is a fundamental right. Federal courts are there to vindicate such a right.
What gives SCOTUS the right to say that it does not care, that justice under these circumstances is inconvenient.
Capital murder defendants or otherwise, the Bill of Rights should never be too costly to defend.
Norm is then joined by Meg Turner of Whitlock Farms Book Store in Betheny, Connecticut. The old book store was started in 1948! Norm is the proprietor of Whitlock's and Meg is the lifeblood of its day-to-day operations.
Visit http://www.whitlocksbookbarn.com/?page_id=16 to discover Whitlocks.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by Robert Storace, staff writer at the Hartford Business Journal.
Norm begins by saying that he wants to be able to trust his eyes, but that in recent years he has become deeply suspicious of what he reads. What role does an editor play in focusing a news organization in where it goes for facts and determining what facts are?
Rob discusses the focus of the HBJ, who the readers are, what those readers want to know, and what becomes of a publication whose audience is sophisticated, including economic development, transportation, the emergence of the cannabis industry, and more.
What is the role of print? Does readership increase or decrease when a publication moves online?
Rob teases his forthcoming story about the changes in the media landscape in Connecticut, which is changing dramatically. Morale is low in traditional print publications. What are we to do? Do we even need to do anything?
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Norm opens the show talking about the weather. Because what else is an old man to do? He also talks about developments in the McGrath case and what, if any, additional arrests he expects law enforcement to make.
Norm is then joined by Paul Bass, author of "Murder in the Model City", and the Editor of the New Haven Independent. The two discuss the state of local news and how national values are reflected in local communities and how local issues are interpreted by local citizens.
Norm and Paul wax poetic about the history of journalism, what has changed within the culture, and where the future of reporting at the local level might live.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by States Attorney General for the District of Hartford, Connecticut, Sharmese Wolcott.
Sharmese and Norm go back many years as legal adversaries. Sharmese joins Norm to discuss what the juvenile justice system is at a fundamental level, the goals thereof, and where the voids in the system reside.
Norm inquires about the concept of "delinquency" and how young a person can be to be "put into the system" or prosecuted, which in the state of Connecticut is the age of 13 years old.
The conversation circles around as Norm acknowledges that the juvenile system is most devoted to rehabilitation and for good reason, a proposition with which Sharmese agrees. However, Norm presses on this.
How serious an offense might a juvenile commit before the case turns from juvenile to adult? What about punishment? Deterrence? Tough questions.
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Norm is joined in the first hour as he is every Monday by W. Michael Boyer, managing attorney at Carolina Craft Legal and the producer of Law and Legitimacy.
Norm opens with a discussion of federal grand jury empanelments, the Durham investigation of Michael Sussman (the attorney for the Hillary Clinton campaign), and why the nation is perhaps not hearing anything about the ongoing trial.
Michael joins Norm to talk about the weekend editorial in the Wall Street Journal, titled "Hillary Clinton Did It" regarding the Trump-Russia Collusion narrative that was poured atop the American psyche during the entirety of Trump's term in office.
Norm and Michael discuss the implications of the Clinton family involvement in the Trump-Russia Collusion narrative, and then pivot in the back half of the hour to a discussion of the American Bar Association's recent move to remove the standardized testing requirement for law school admissions, and Judge Ginsburg's mission to restore American citizens' undertanding of how our political system works through "Civics Fundamentals."
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Norm is joined in the second hour by a friend of the LAL podcast, attorney Mark Dubois.
Norm opens this hour discussing the obvious lack of focus monopolizing our political structure as it prioritizes proxy wars abroad while ignoring the very obvious shortcomings of the current administration at home.
How are lawyers regulated? Mark is the former Chief Discplinary Counsel for the State of Connecticut.
The first lawyer code came about in 1883, and Mark believes we are still getting it wrong.
What is the attorney-client privilege? How does it compare to the duty of confidentiality?
Listen to gain an invaluable understanding of how knowledge assymetry in the practice of law functions to inform expectations of practitioners of law as it relates to regulating the legal profession.
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Norm is joined in the first hour by Harry Weller, formerly of the Connecticut's Chief State's Attorney's Office.
Norm opens with a few thoughts about Bill Cosby's release in Pennsylvannia. Norm discusses. Norm talked with Bill Cosby a little while back, and now Bill is facing down a new trial set to begin, which calls Bill to defend himself against allegations of his conduct from 1975. Is this trial by ambush?
We'll try to get Cosby on the air for a later show.
Norm and Harry discuss the role of prosecutors in the American system of justice, and what happens to criminal cases on appeals. What makes Connecticut unique? Harry explains.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by long-time friend, colleague, lawyer, writer, documentarian, and American cultural commentator, Mike Cernovich.
Norm and Mike begin with the origin of their relationship, the impact of trial law juggernaut, Gerry Spence, on Mike's early legal career, psychodramatic persuasion techniques as a way of understanding the world better, and even a brief hommage to the late F. Lee Bailey.
Norm and Mike then take a call from David Sullivan, formerly of the U.S. Attorney's Office and one of Norm's lifelong friends.
Norm and Mike catch stride as Norm queries the narrative being written of Mike by establishment media, which tends to create a brand around movements and then define the character of those movements by the lowest common denominators of those movements.
Mike discusses his increasing appetite for politics, how he defines his own political evolution out of what he refers to as the "old school civil libertarian", and how writing afforded the influence and freedom necessary to pivot away from the daily grind of legal practice.
Norm and Mike continue apace with a review Mike's influence on the 2016 election, his view of Hillary Clinton as an existential threat to American freedom, and emerging populist influence of the New American Right.
Mike's most popular book is "Gorilla Mindset," his most popular documentary is "Hoaxed", and he dominates Twitter @Cernovich.
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Norm opens the show on fire, giving a version of President Joe Biden's speech that should have been if identitarians were not busy dividing the country.
Norm gives his daily book recommendation: Ann Case and Angus Deaton's "Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism" from 2020.
There are more deaths of deaths of despair than there are deaths due to gun violence. Why don't we want to talk about that?
Is it any wonder that those representative of the Despair Class draw an inference that they are being replaced, that their seat at the American table is in jeopardy?
The loss of meaning, pride, dignity, self-respect that come along with the death of marriage and community is killing middle America.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by esteemed trial lawyer and retired professor of history and criminal justice, Andy Warren.
Norm and Andy talk about the differences between being a prosecutor and a defense lawyer, a case they worked together in Dodge City, Kansas, and how the more things change the more things stay the same.
Andy also talks about his growing weary of dealing with people who view the defense lawyer—often an appointed lawyer—as someone who is not as effective or as competent as a 'paid' lawyer. While not on the appointed list, Andy has spent years at the direct call of the court to represent defendants who simply needed help.
Norm then discusses the road trip he and Andy took last year. And then asks Andy, "what in the world led you to go to an indian reservation?"
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Norm opens the show by lauding Senator Rand Paul for his resolve in voting to block the $40B Ukraine relief package. Norm is then joined in the first hour by Jimmy Vallee, previous LAL guest and the principal of Valhil Capital. Jimmy is an expert in cryptocurrency and has much to offer to the average person in each of our pursuit of an understanding of money and the future thereof.
Norm starts with a fundamental look at the function of "money": a medium of exchange; a measure of value; a store of value; and a way to track value.
What does it mean to 'digitize' currency? Why would we want to 'digitize' currency?
Norm questions the trust in our system of money, and the inherent feeling of 'crazy' he gets in thinking about the digital nature of our current economic system.
Jimmy asserts that the dollar is at risk internationally, and that there will be a massive change in the relative value of national currencies like the dollar and other global reserve currencies.
But where are we going, and what does it mean?
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Norm is joined in the second hour by Coldwell Banker REALTOR out of Orange, Connecticut, Carol Cangiano.
Carol shares that there are only 5,000 homes on the market in the entire state of Connecticut—10,000 short of the average—and Norm digs in to understand the nature of the current moment in the real estate market.
Norm and Carol talk about the irrational nature of the current market, what that means for the average homeowner, and whether this market represents an even more irrational exuberance than the 2005 and 2006 runup to the 2008 market crash.
Carol references that appraisals are not currently functioning to bring rationality back into the homebuying equation.
Norm and Carol entertain a call from a key figure at WICC600. Tune in!
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Those of you loyal LAL listeners will remember the voice of attorney Mark Richards, the no-nonsense criminal defense attorney anchored about 20 miles outside of Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Mark joins Norm to recount the days leading up to the Kenosha riots during the infamous "Summer of Love" in 2020, the incident involving Kyle Rittenhouse, and the nature of his representation.
Mark talks about the courtroom dynamics, the intensely high-profile nature of the entire trial, and his continuing relationship with Kyle as Kyle begins his own journey into early adulthood.
Norm and Mark take listener calls. We encourage you all to go back to LAL #063 for the long form interview with Mark Richards.
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The second hour opens with Norm rocking it solo while the studio crew battles against the deep state to get his guest on the line. Face-to-face meetings are a good thing. Norm is put off by a local Board of Alderman's move to continue indefinitely with remote hearings and meetings.
Norm talks about what he calls "the Handshake Economy" and what America is losing when chooses to prioritize the disembodied voice over real human interaction.
Isolation is the true killer.
Greg Dillon, former law enforcement officer and author of The Thin Blue Lie: An Honest Cop vs. the FBI, reports for radio duty and discusses his long career in law enforcement, time with the FBI, and the inspiration for his book.
Norm and Greg discuss the logistics of becoming an agent in the 80s, Norm's admiration for such service work, and what in American culture has perhaps changed.
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Norm beings the first hour with an analysis of the emergence of "sanctuary" jurisdictions within the context of 10th amendment federalism and how it affects notions of comety and uniformity.
Connecticut is now a sanctuary jurisdiction for abortion. So what is this a prelude for? Norm discusses the sectional differences between the North and the Antibellum South prior to the US Civil War.
Fears of that aside, what does it mean for American society when it is unable to agree on when a life begins?
States are free to guarantee rights as they see fit, but the debate is being poorly framed when it comes to abortion. It takes two, baby.
Norm is joined in the first hour by two Connecticut-based comedians, Ian Cunningham and Jim Rapuano of Staven's Got Problems, and the hosts of the notorious talent show that has led to recent criticism of Norm's comedic routine.
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Is sex a sacrement or a form of recreation?
That's not why we invited Joe on, but that's where we begin. Norm is joined in the second hour by Joseph Tully, defense attorney for founder of NXIVM and the recently convicted Keith Raniere.
Joe is one of the most successful criminal defense lawyers in northern California, and he just got done arguing an appeal of Raniere's recent conviction for sex trafficking which resulted in a 120-year prison sentence.
Still, Norm finds his involvement in this case curious. So why is Joe involved? Well, he believes the case was sullied by the government's tampering with and fabricating of evidence in the case against Raniere.
Get to know the company that NXIVM is and was. Why do people join self-help organizations? And what were people going to NXIVM for?
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It's Monday! Norm is joined in the first hour as he is every Monday by Michael Boyer, attorney at Carolina Craft Legal and producer of Law and Legitimacy.
Norm and Mike open by taking a look at the recent tragic events in Buffalo, New York, and more broadly to similar events that unfolded over the weekend in other parts of the country, including Millenium Park in Chicago and Laguna Church in Los Angeles.
Norm queries: should the second amendment be repealed?
The two end the segment with by refreshing the audience's recollection of the current SCOTUS events, the impact of the leak on the integrity of the Court and whether life begins at conception.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by attorney Glenn Conway, a 25-year veteran in the practice of law who is leaving Connecticut based on a breakdown in the traditional structures of its justice system.
Norm begins by inviting questions on why America is sending $40B in aid to Ukraine, especially in the midst of such domestic confusion as to what moral obligations we as citizens owe to each other.
Are American interests vitally intertwined with what is happening in Ukraine? What about the downstream effects of COVID-19, runaway inflation, domestic strife in connection with drug addiction, and a porous border.
Norm moves quickly moves to Glenn and asks about the circumstances leading to his upcoming move (to the beautiful state of North Carolina).
Are we ever going to get back to a point where lawyers are actually trying cases?
Norm and Glenn spend some time with the unique nature of jury selection in Connecticut, the nature of plea deals, and whether Glenn would ever consider being a judge.
The two entertain listener calls, answering the hard-hitting questions like "how do criminal defense lawyers make money?"
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Norm is joined in the first hour by Ron Coleman, a partner at the Dhillon Law Group and an absolute juggernaut of first amendment and trademark and intellectual property law, and a total constitutional scholar. Ron is the host of the Colemannation Podcast and is a must follow on Twitter @RonColeman.
Norm and Ron begin this episode with a discussion of trademarks and the landmark ruling in Matal v. Tam several years ago.
What's a trademark anyway?
The Bird-McHale-esque duo continue use the Supreme Court's holding in Matal v. Tam to quickly transition into a broader conversation about the nature of free speech in the United States.
Can we legislate morality? Ron's answer might surprise you. This is an instant classic. And a rare find for live radio broadcasts. Enjoy.
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Do divorces have major hidden costs to a society?
Norm is joined in the second hour by esteemed family law attorney, Rich Rochlin, of Rich Rochlin law.
Norm and Rich begin with Rich's unlikely path into the law, as Rich began his career as a white collar corporate attorney.
The two quickly transition to the difficulties inherent in the practice of family law, aknowledging the intimate connection between each matter and individuals' personal lives and mental well being.
Norm queries why more public resources are not made available to those with needs anchored in family law, similar to the provision of court appointed attorneys in criminal law matters. Rich provides balances answers and opinions to a number of nearly impossible questions on the topic.
We are fortunate to have played host to such a genuine and gifted practitioner.
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Norm is joined in the first hour of the show as he will be every Monday by Michael Boyer, the producer of Law and Legitimacy. This week, Mike joins Norm for a grab bag of topical issues in the law and real life, including a review of Norm's Friday discussion with Babz Rawls Ivy, a look at the Department of Homeland Security's new Disinformation Board, the failed prosecutions in the Governor Whitemer kidnapping trials, the FBI's reported presence of more than 80 agents involved in the goings-on at the capitol on January 6th, a review of the criminal concept of entrapment, and the CDC's efforts to aggregate individuals' information related to COVID treatment. Rate, share, and subscribe. Give us five stars, tell your mom about us, and make sure you don't miss an episode! Stream LAL Live every weekday from 12pm ET until 2pm ET on https://www.wicc600.com/, and tweet to us during the show to have your questions answered @PattisPodcast.
Norm is joined in the second hour by Kevin Allen, former corrections officer, former Norm hater, Connecticut politician. Norm and Kevin spend time tracking Kevin's political career, where Kevin aligns himself on the political spectrum, and why his values do and do not align with his party affiliation.
The two then discuss the upcoming Republican Convention in Connecticut, debrief the previous hour of the show, and take listener calls!
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This one is hot. Norm is joined in the first hour by Babz Rawls Ivy, the Editor-In-Chief of Connecticut's "Inner City News." Norm and Babz introduce listeners to their relationship stretching back years to their first meeting in an attorney-client capacity.
The two turn to perhaps the most sensitive topic in American culture—the 'N' word.
Who owns the word? Why? And what does the current state of the debate signal about the future of free expression in America?
The volley takes a natural turn into an analysis of reparations and the legitimacy or not thereof.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by Connecticut-based criminal defense attorney, Brittany Paz.
Norm and Brittany begin with a quick look at the Depp-Heard trial and Brittany underscores her belief in the importance of talking about domestic violence from the perspective of male victims.
The two quickly pivot to a discussion of the SCOTUS leak, Norm asks Brittany who she thinks could have released the draft opinion, and Norm sets the table for a broader discussion of stare decisis.
The two catch stride in a discussion of the importance of the legitimacy of the court, commonlaw traditions in the American constitution, and what, if any, effective changes can be made to restore public trust in the American system of justice.
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Norm is joined in the first hour by Brian Festa of We The Patriots USA, an organization focused on advocacy for individual rights.
Brian Festa is a previous guest of Law and Legitimacy. Refer back to that episode for a primer on Festa and the constitutional challenges WTP takes on.
Norm and Festa discuss the state's exercise of police power, especially in the context of medical procedures, such as vaccines, and the role of the 10th amendment is discerning not only the power states have as a check against the federal government but one which the individual has as a check against the state.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by esteemed Connecticut criminal defense attorney, Matthew Maddox of The Maddox Law Firm, LLC. Norm and Matt hold the topic of criminal defense captive for a solid hour, discussing their shared passion for the practice, the necessity of effective advocates for due process of law, and the unfortunate side effects that befall defendants when the jury is shielded from important considerations of fact and context.
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Norm is joined in the second hour by Marc Randazza, famed first amendment warrior with offices in Las Vegas, Miami, and Gloucester. Not only does Marc know what 'SFX' stands for, but he is the go-to authority on matters of free expression and the assertion of individual rights in the face of government overreach.
Norm and Marc dip their toes in the SCOTUS leak waters, talk commerce clause, exceptions to the first amendment, and tag team callers.
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Norm opens the first hour discussing the bombshell revelation that a draft SCOTUS opinion purporting to overturn Roe v. Wade was leaked to the public.
Listen to discover the four phases of American constitutional law, the frameworks emanating from federalism and the separation of powers, and the purpose of enshrining a divided government.
Have we tinkered too much with the separation of powers?
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In the second hour of the show, Norm is joined by longtime friend and colleague, and friend of Law and Legitimacy, Jim Nugent.
Norm and Jim discuss the nature of civil litigation, notions of justice under the law, and the vanishing trial.
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Norm makes his debut on terrestrial radio on WICC 600AM 107.3FM.
Norm is joined in the first hour by producer of Law and Legitimacy, Michael Boyer, to discuss the theme of legitimacy, the first amendment, and Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter.
Norm takes a call from an attorney and colleague and walks the audience through the legal theory of constructive public trusts.
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Norm connects with his dear friend and mentor in the law, the esteemed John R. Williams.
John is a true pioneer and innovator of legal advocacy in criminal law. It is John who wrote the playbook for using 42 U.S.C. § 1983 (colloquially, "Section 1983") as an effective legal tool to remedy government misconduct against the individual.
His stories are rich. His experience is beyond imagination.
We are honored to give to you Law and Legitimacy with John R. Williams.
We'd like to first acknowledge and direct you to the last couple of minutes of this episode of Law and Legitimacy.
Many of you have been on this journey with us long enough to have shaken the digital hand of a real life hero and friend, Mr. Jay Jessup. It is with heavy hearts that we mourn the loss of Jay. Without an ounce of self-promotion we encourage you to revisit (or perhaps visit for the first time) LAL #052 to hear a little of his essence. We deeply love and deeply miss Jay. In case you're reading this, we'll meet again God willing.
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Episode #074 is a warming one. Jacqueline Polverari joins us to trace her personal journey into and beyond the American criminal justice system. Jacquie is the Founder and Executive Director of Evolution Reentry Services, an organization that deploys a comprehensive approach to assist women in finding balance within themselves and with their families in post-incarceration life.
This is a topic that is close to Norm's heart, of course. Norm routinely talks of the difficulty of managing both the substantive legal burden and psychological duress connected to clients' impending, likely, or active incarceration.
Jacquie tells her story of entry into and emergence from incarceration, the events leading thereto, and discusses her particular care for women who face, are facing, or have faced a loss of freedom behind non-violent felony convictions.
Her sense of humor is top notch and her long list of personal and professional accolades tell the real story of Jacquie Polverari. It is that high idle of spirit and mental strength that make Jacquie the unique and intensely benevolent force that she is.
Norm was honored to represent Jacquie for the sentencing phase of her legal defense. And it is perhaps not a stretch to say that Norm's commitment to Jacquie's freedom was at one time greater than her own.
Such is the soul of civil rights and criminal defense advocacy. And such is the glow about a practitioner like Norm, who through his advocacy affords a client strength in the moments they might themselves feel least deserving.
Jacquie's mission is noble and her services are much in demand.
If you'd like to get involved with Evolution Reentry or are interested in what it may offer to you, a family member, or a friend, call (203) 671-5139, visit the website, or email evolutionreentry@gmail.com.
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Perhaps a few of you know, but for those of you who don't: Norm owns one of New England's oldest bookstores, Whitlock's Book Barn.
This episode is a conversation with the Manager and Jill-of-all-trades for Whitlock's, Meg Turner.
Because Law and Legitimacy is a self-contained operation, and because Norm takes great care to make sure the independent book store of old does not fade into history, we decided to make Whitlock's our first underwriter for our podcast.
Norm and Meg trace the history of Whitlock's origins, its offerings, the economics of running a traditional bookstore in the Age of Amazon, and share stories about the various rare books, maps and other ephemera that cycle through the two old barns that make up the Whitlock's operations.
We owe great gratitude to Meg for her continued commitment to ensuring the traditional discoverability of recorded human experience.
And we owe you, the listener, for traveling 73 episodes in with us on our Law and Legitimacy journey.
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This return to action is the first in what will become a new regular format in the Law and Legitimacy repertoire.
Norm and Mike spend Sunday morning unpacking a few of the more newsworthy events in the sphere of Legitimacy, both at home and abroad, emerging from the month of March 2022:
Norm's a Finalist in an East Haven Comedy Competition — Like this post!
The New York Times 3/18/22 Editorial re: Free Speech
Title IX, William Thomas, and the NCAA
Ukraine-Russia Conflict and Hunter Biden's Laptop
SCOTUS Nominee, Kentaji Brown Jackson — Here's her Judiciary Questionnaire!
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We live in spiritual times.
From our vantage, humanity's current shared cultural moment—the pursuit to be reacquainted with our living existence and our consciousness—is as close as we have come in modern times to the affirmation of God.
How can a system produce freedom?
How can necessity produce choice?
We are joined here by the esteemed Udo Middelmann. Udo and I met in the summer of 1977 at the Swiss L'Abri.
Udo is a long-time and long-distance friend. He holds degrees in law and theology. He is a trustee and lecturer at the aforementioned L'Abri. Udo is a prolific writer and a regularly published author. And he is the President of the Francis A. Schaeffer Foundation.
Here, Udo and I dip our toes in the deep waters of real world truth, the foundations of law as an institution of governance, the inherent limitations of artificial intelligence, and man's inseparable bond with and to God.
At bottom, Udo believes that, no matter how we choose to reorder ourselves, love remains because we are human. Perhaps that distinction between consciousness and awareness is what modern society has neglected to parse?
This dialogue is a special one. And we'll have Udo back again soon. Until then, open your own door to the Francis A. Schaeffer Foundation.
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Mike joins Norm to discuss the events of recent weeks and the wild ride that has become of the recent public saga centered on Spotify's position as exclusive distributor of Joe Rogan's wildly popular podcast, the Joe Rogan Experience.
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We're back at it again, resolute in our humble efforts to save the republic.
Are you ready?
We're joined this week by the inimitable Dan Hull, Esq., the "Hull" in Hull McGuire PC, the progenitor of the famed 12 Rules of Client Service, and the esteemed defense counsel to Mr. Henry Enrique Tarrio of Proud Boys lore.
Mr. Tarrio is a complicated guy with a lot to say. And I believe we may have been among the first beyond his inner circle to be informed of Mr. Tarrio's plan to step down as Chairman of the Proud Boys. As of your listening to this episode, Mr. Tarrio has indeed done so. But as you'll hear, his passion for liberty and political advocacy remain and so his aim is true.
We are a country divided by tribal identities. And because of that, we've been misled as to the nature of the broader cultural narrative—not just misled as to the true nature of the Proud Boys.
I am persuaded there is a fundamental crisis of legitimacy in this country. And people on both the Left and the Right cannot help but to sometimes look at our government as just another gang.
I am reminded of Saint Augustine's report of an encounter between Alexander the Great and a rank Mediterranean pirate in which Alexander the Great asked the pirate why he terrorized the seas in pursuit of private gain, only for the pirate to turn the question around asking Alexander the Great why he terrorized the Mediterranean in pursuit of his own.
When we are unable to discern between a single institution's naked assertion of power and its legitimate exercise of authority, we find ourselves in the midst of a legitimation crisis. Such is grievous for our republic.
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This episode is drenched in notions of destiny.
Marc Lenahan is a Dallas-based attorney and the founder of the Lenahan Law Firm, a practice specializing in personal injury litigation on behalf of victims of serious and catastrophic harm.
Marc is also devoted husband and loving father of two children. And though he humbles himself to Law and Legitimacy, banking his unlikely and inspiring professional success on his own insecurities, Marc is as self-assured and genuine as they come.
Norm asks Marc to walk listeners through his path into the practice of law. The conversation begins with Marc's unironic inspiration, an immensely cool government lawyer by the name of Ken Robinson.
Marc talks of his squandered time as an undergraduate english major at UT-Austin and his stint as a roadie for local bands, and of the self-awareness gleaned therefrom.
We learn of the clairvoyant moment that kept Marc out of the golden handcuffs of chip-making middle management, and his subsequent arrival at Southern Methodist University for law school.
Why law school? Why law?
Perhaps Marc's most intriguing quality is the authentic desire to learn packaged with seemingly unlimited empathy. Marc nods to the law as affording the opportunity to learn the subject matter and practices of every other job and vocation. And his empathy informs a practice model that stands out as an ethical and honest beacon in a genre of law widely regarded as being plagued by bloated client portfolios and inattentive representation.
How did Marc know personal injury law was his destiny?
Marc lets listeners inside his first "un-winnable" case, the type of peculiar fact over which an insecure lawyer loses sleep, and the jury award of $6M that embodied Marc's personal wand-chooses-the-wizard moment.
Norm teases out Marc's heavy presence in philanthropic, non-profit work through the National Compassion Fund, which as of this recording has passed in excess of $100,000,000.00 through to victims of mass casualty events, for which every penny has been accounted.
The duo end by discussing Marc's rare and brief intersection with the late, great F. Lee Bailey. Norm quizzes Marc on an emerging negligence liability theory that tests the bounds of proximate cause, and the two tease future content by dipping listeners' toes into artificial intelligence in the domestic trucking industry.
Mike is careful to remind listeners of an equally interesting chapter unfolding in Marc's career: Marc's advocacy for victims of serious injuries sustained at Top Golf facilities.
Go to the Lenahan Law Firm website to learn more, call (214) 295-1008/(888) 873-7270, or send an email to Law(at)LenahanLaw.com to get in touch with Marc and his team.
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"I can't think of many things that are man-made that are more important than the law."
Our guest this week is Attorney Brian Festa, the Co-Founder and Vice President of the citizens advocacy group, We The Patriots USA.
WTPUSA is a nonprofit organization with the express purpose of creating a network "of Patriots to preserve and reclaim our God-given inalienable rights–including but not limited to the rights recorded in the United States Constitution–through education, advocacy, and litigation."
While WTPUSA advocates broadly to protect individual freedoms across nearly every cognizable domain—religious, medical, parental, educational, speech, gun ownership, free enterprise, veterans' rights, environmental, and food safety—Festa's most visible ongoing efforts take aim at the State of New York's denial of religious exemptions to its mandate that healthcare workers be vaccinated to maintain employment.
As you'll hear, Norm's firm has taken up this fight on behalf of WTPUSA, most recently having its application to stay the policy before the Supreme Court of the United States.
This episode, however, explores the philosophical principles at the heart of Festa's advocacy. Norm probes these and gives space for Festa to articulate the "why" that is near and dear: his son.
The two volley a discussion that spans natural law and what Festa regards as "human rights", the idea of a "greater good" within the prism of State action, and the sanctity of the First Amendment's recognition of the right to freely exercise religion and to peacefully assemble.
The discussion narrows to the Bill of Rights, its status in an era defined by the emerging public health state, and the plight of what Norm commonly regards as a "republic of virtue".
Is there a theistic check on the concept of limited government? Did the Framers, "take God out of it?"
Perhaps the most intriguing question of the day: Is there an argument that the 9th amendment should be incorporated to the states?
Brian Festa is passionate about helping people by, as he offers, "spreading truth." WTPUSA connects citizens with capable attorneys and fundraises to assist their litigation efforts.
You can find We The Patriots USA across all social media, including Telegram, Twitter, Facebook, and GETTR.
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A belated Happy New Year to our loyal LAL listeners! We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to each of you for the momentum our humble undertaking now enjoys. We look forward to a productive and content-rich 2022.
In that spirit, we begin the year with an in-house episode. Norm and Mike's conversation is anchored by a recent legal development in Mike's neck of the woods, Greensboro, North Carolina. As the title suggests, the legal development embodies a microcosmic view of what appears to be a larger trend the country over.
Norm opens by floating his theory of what we can expect to see from state and federal leadership as the spell of the virus continues to break across the country. In short, Norm expects that climate change will ascend the mantle of the public health crisis du jour, mimicking the same strategy and playbook that has stifled exercise of civil liberties over the past two years.
Mike offers his observations on the matter, while inadvertently reminding Norm of just how long in the tooth he is.
The two transition to the topic at hand and Mike lays forth Greensboro City Council's recent ratification of a new standard operating procedure, called the "Safety Review Board", as an ominous legal development.
If you're still curious as to whether Mike and Norm are opening a bar and restaurant together, we don't really know. The title of this episode, however, references Greensboro's implementation of an auxiliary body of appointed board members who are now charged with imposing "safety" procedures on Greensboro's bars and restaurants.
The supposed reason for this so-called Safety Review Board? Greensboro's historic levels of violent crime are obviously and directly attributable to its hospitality community because those businesses sell and serve alcohol. We say "obviously" because, as you'll hear, the City Council has not bothered to provide any findings of fact to establish any nexus between the two.
Still, left unabated, the establishment of this Safety Review Board lays the groundwork for troubling days ahead for an industry that has barely weathered the storm of COVID-era shutdowns and restrictions, and a city still not at one with itself behind economic contraction, the summer riots of 2020, and the political malpractice attendant to upcoming midterm elections.
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Today's episode is a constitutional deep dive into the uniquely American phenomenon that is the separation of powers.
As LAL listeners well know, I represent Alex Jones in a number of matters including in his recently filed lawsuit against the U.S. House of Representative's Select Committee to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the United States Capitol.
We begin with a foundational blueprint for conceptualizing the constitutional separation of powers and its aim for inefficiency as a matter of founding design. Pointedly, just because someone wants something doesn't mean they get it. And, indeed, some things, such as the Bill of Rights, are 'off limits' to the government.
We then explore the fundamental tension between natural law and a subjective construction of reality endemic to movements anchored in cultural marxism and/or identity politics, and thus how jurisprudence has become the battleground in a never-ending debate between what is and is not within the purview of government regulation.
Our legislature wields the plenary power to conduct investigations. Pursuant to the Speech and Debate clause, Congressionally issued subpoenas are immune from the judicial oversight otherwise reserved for our Article III courts.
Query: If not comply, what is a private individual to do in the face of what reasonably appears to be an invalid exercise of the Congressional subpoena power?
What did we see in the case of Steve Bannon? How might one contrast that with Mark Meadow's current ongoings?
While I find brilliance in the finer points of our separation of powers' construction, there are areas of extreme disappointment with respect to the J6 committee, including the media's treatment of it, its improper procedural foundations, and the obviousness of the pretext for its creation—impeachment of President Donald Trump by another means.
An improperly formed Congressional committee does not wield the aforementioned legislative immunity. And that is the true significance of the Alex Jones lawsuit: the right to be free from arbitrarily exercised power.
We close by discussing the little-known nuances of Congressional immunity, such as the power to overlook the judicially-created doctrine of attorney-client privilege. Keen listeners will recognize the hypothetical from our recent interview with Mark Dubois. Who will be the first lawyer to do federal time?
I sense a demagogue in our midst.
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The true test of Mike's genius? Convincing you that our best performing episode #063 with Mark Richards pales in comparison to my interview here with Mark Dubois.
Branding ethics as "heady" or "engaging" is indeed a tough task. But what former Chief Disciplinary Officer have you ever heard discuss the realistic prospects of psilocybin or invite your favorite criminal defense and civil rights attorney to an LSD trip in his post-practice life?
I didn't think so. But what else would you expect from us at this point?
Mark "the Accidental Lawyer" Dubois is a dear friend and one of the greats in Connecticut Bar history and the only person I've ever heard of to have retired six (6) times in one life.
Like various of the other lawyers we've hosted on Law and Legitimacy, Mark thinks about law and has performed within the law in unique ways. He is the only lawyer we have hosted, however, to have washed dishes under the supervision of Justice Clarence Thomas while the two matriculated as undergrads at The College of the Holy Cross.
So there—LSD, retirements aplenty, sudsy early dealings with a Supreme Court Justice. "Heady" and "engaging" are mere table stakes for legal ethics and lawyer discipline.
In this interview, you'll learn about Mark's rather unique path through the field that culminated with his role as the Connecticut Supreme Court's very first Chief Disciplinary Officer. You'll also hear about Mark's prolific legal career prior thereto, which spanned the domains of civil litigation, personal injury, regulatory and administrative law, commercial and residential real estate, and more.
And you'll be gripped as I was to learn about the true historical origin of model ethics code in America, the difference between Harvard and Columbia's respective philosophical approaches to teaching the law, and how what Mark regards as the great "demoralization" in the legal field created a robust demand for new methods in lawyer discipline.
Of course, no episode would be complete without a Norm Pattis hypothetical or two. Does Congressional Privilege entitle Congress to hold me in contempt if I refuse to break attorney-client privilege at its command? Will Connecticut's new law attempting to regulate lawyer speech be the nail in my socially opprobrious coffin?
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How fortunate we are to play host to Mr. Mark Richards, Kyle Rittenhouse's lead defense attorney in what many will believe to be the watershed moment in modern America's promise to each of us the due process of law.
We are barely a couple of weeks removed from the jury verdict in State v. Rittenhouse, the widely publicized case that considered the events as they unfolded in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on August 25, 2020, amid the larger, burnished silhouette of a summer marked by widespread protests symbolic of the agitated republic America today remains.
Mark very generously agreed to sit with us for Law and Legitimacy to bring the attorney's voice to the forefront and to shed light on various aspects of his representation—some top-of-mind in the public consciousness, others that until now lay dormant.
We began as we always do here by asking Mark to talk about his life before his engagement as Rittenhouse's attorney of record. Mark is Wisconsin born and bred. A graduate of both the University of Wisconsin and the University of Wisconsin Law School. To date, Mark has nearly 125 jury trials under his belt as a defense attorney.
Mark and I talk about the nature of the law in Wisconsin. Some of you may find our discussion of the "trial tax" familiar from previous conversations and episodes. Mark talks about his inspiration in the law, I ask him to discuss the case that most broke his heart, and together we lay coordinates for our discussion of the Rittenhouse saga.
Through our conversation you will learn not only how Mark became Rittenhouse's lead attorney, but why Mark was indeed the best man for the job.
We cover it all:
- The early involvement of attorneys John Pierce and Lin Wood;
- Kyle's extradition to Kenosha County jail;
- Mark's assessments of Judge Schrader and the prosecution;
- The role of the jury consultant and the three (3) mock juries utilized;
- The prosecution's challenge of Kyle's 5th amendment right to silence;
- Character and propensity evidence in the face of motion(s) in limine;
- Judge Schrader's courtroom policy and the "complaining witnesses" issue;
- The particulars of the firearms charge and its dismissal;
- Obtaining the acquittal;
- The give-and-take of Tucker Carlson's support
Of course, I could not bring this interview to a close without asking Mark, "Is Kyle a white supremacist?"
We are humbled and honored to present this episode to the world, for Mr. Mark Richards is indeed a lawyer's lawyer. There is little to plug but his website.
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"Even Hemingway would say, 'kill your darlings.'"
Our guest on this episode of Law and Legitimacy is the prolific, the widely-published, the beautiful and insightful bestselling novelist, Ms. Luanne Rice.
Luanne has published a total of thirty-six (36) books, the most recent having debuted earlier in 2021, and her work has been translated into more than twenty (20) languages.
Luanne and I have been planning this conversation for a while now and our respective schedules finally afforded the opportunity to blend the world of the lawyer with that of the novelist.
Luanne regards her writing as a true calling. You will hear her describe her morning routines, how she reckons with the dreams of the night before, her conception of the human condition and the vagaries of personality.
But her ideas for her novels come from somewhere. I inquired.
We're all drawn to murder, in one way or another. For Luanne, the idea of something so terrible outside oneself has the capacity to remove fear. For me, that same idea tells us something about ourselves.
To the big question: are each of us capable of murder? Do our shared stories of heartbreak mean that we're all potential killers?
As the world appears to continue rotating further off its axis, I draw nearer to what Saint Augustine refers to as the perpetual search. Luanne and I find common ground here, as lawyers can learn a tremendous amount from novelists, in the form of both the danger posed by a jury forcing the narrative for the sake of completion, and the opportunity for good lawyers, like good novelists, to follow the facts and connect the dots without the hazards of inference.
Luanne's story is gripping. And I am grateful to be able to share a bit of it with you here. Visit Luanne's website to find her many world-renowned works and to find the links to her social media accounts.
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Can the American republic survive without a religious reawakening? Are there visible signs of a third Great Awakening in America today? Who are our modern heroes?
Our esteemed guest this week is Mark Meckler. He is one of America's modern heroes.
Mark co-founded the Tea Party in the late 2000's, invigorated politically by the Bush administration's abandonment of free market economics and by the Obama administration's failure to deliver on the material promises made in the domain of change.
Today, Mark is the founder and President of Citizens for Self-Governance, a political nonprofit organization known widely for its Convention of States Action initiative.
Mark is a licensed attorney, devoted husband, and loving father. And? He played high school football with John Elway.
My encounter with Mark was one of complete chance, as we were seated alongside one another for a recent flight into Texas. Our conversation was one which nurtured my soul and which overlapped in a cosmic way with our central theme here on Law and Legitimacy.
Journey with us as we unpack Mark's early life in sunny southern California, his decision to focus on more important things in college than veterinary medicine, the early gravity of real estate development in his legal career, and the macro events that catalyzed Mark's emergence as a modern force of principled political activism.
You'll hear why Mark left his own organization in 2012, the inspiration George Mason plays for Mark, especially through Convention of the States' objective to restrike the elements of our United States Constitution, and you may even walk away having assigned yourself a bit of homework. I certainly did.
It only took us 61 episodes, but we finally punctuate our existential crisis talk on a note of optimism. Find Mark on social media: @MarkMeckler on Twitter; @realmarkmeckler on Instagram; @markmecklerofficial on Facebook.
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Michael Boyer, Producer of Law and Legitimacy, joins Norm this week to discuss recent developments in the sphere of reparations and to share his observations after attending a free legal symposium hosted by a local law school aimed at making the legal case for reparations.
The conversation begins with an assessment of High Point, North Carolina's, very recent move to establish a commission to study the basis for race-based transfer payments. Norm quizzes Michael on the details of the City Council's vote to establish such a commission and the bases and findings upon which the Council anchored its vote.
Norm and Michael then move into a discussion of the legal symposium Michael attended and attempt to analyze both the alleged scholarly basis for race-based transfer payments as well as the legal arguments being forged in their name.
This episode is capped with a long-form dialogue between the two, including Michael's assessment that local towns and small municipalities occupy roles as laboratories for reparations proponents, what reparations proponents say of the potential consequences for successful implementation of race-based transfer payments—both economically and socially—and a callback to Norm's suggestion in LAL #005 that an Article V Convention of the States is perhaps an appropriate mechanism to explore as Americans continue to become aware of such widespread efforts to subvert federal standards of equal protection and the tenth amendment's guarantee of state sovereignty.
Norm ties this conversation into a perfect bow by reasserting that there is indeed a fight going on for the heart and soul of the United States, and reminds us that the heart and soul of the United States rightly pits power against power, person against person to guard against the type of tyrannical impulse at the core of the reparations movement.
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Fresh off of a Michigan Wolverines loss and a last-minute schedule change, Norm calls an audible to provide an update and assessment of the latest developments in the State of Wisconsin v. Rittenhouse criminal proceedings, with jury selection set to begin Monday, November 1, 2021.
During last week's hearing, Judge Bruce Schroeder ruled that the prosecution will be prohibited from referring to the decedents as "victims" during the course of the trial.
Norm takes this opportunity to unpack the premise underlying Judge Schroeder's ruling and to illustrate that, "calling names is not proof."
Norm lays out the relevant legal standards attendant to the charges against Rittenhouse and also explains the nature of the self-defense legal burden and where that burden properly resides at trial.
Of course, this discussion would not be complete without an analysis of jury selection, what seasoned defense attorneys are looking for, and what Norm means when he says he looks for "bounce" in determining who is the best fit to sit on a jury.
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This hour-and-some-change will go at warp speed, which is a fitting pace for a conversation that takes aim at the world of digital payment rails and frictionless nostro-vostro bank accounts.
This episode's guest is the mergers and acquisitions juggernaut, elite securities designer, and best digital plumber in the western hemisphere, Mr. Jimmy Vallee. Jimmy has parlayed an illustrious and decorated legal career in the American energy sector into his current role as the Managing Director of Valhil Capital.
Valhil Capital is as unique as it is ambitious. In addition to managing the balance sheet for holdings in the construction, fitness, and energy sectors, Valhil Capital has a specific investment thesis in the realm of cryptocurrency: sovereign governments and thus global finance will soon embrace the Central Bank Digital Currency ("CBDC") model in the effort to remove friction from the movement of value.
More than that, Valhil Capital is on the bleeding edge of locating and developing "use cases" for the Ripple ecosystem and is raising the bridge asset flag for the XRP community as it does so.
Jimmy and I start small. You'll hear about Jimmy's beginnings in the practice of law, his innate desire for a career in the world of high finance, and the unlikely opportunity he seized as a first-year associate in a firm of more than 400 lawyers to become the name to know in the post-shale revolution Texas energy acquisitions market.
We crescendo into the lesser known realities of the global digital asset market and what American citizens should expect out of its government with respect thereto by the end of 2021.
It is safe to say this is but Part I in a series of insightful talks to come. And I trust you'll enjoy listening as much as I did recording. This is Jimmy Vallee, the Managing Director of Valhil Capital. Find Jimmy, Valhil, and more about the digital asset frontier at JimmyVallee.com, ValhilCapital.com, and AstroLightMediaGroup.com.
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Episode 057 is an interview with J. Daniel Hull of Hull McGuire PC, a D.C.-based muscle boutique law firm.
Dan is a true renaissance man. He is an international corporate and business law attorney, elite-level problem solver, an encyclopedia of American history and culture, quick-witted Twitter Bad Boy, and the progenitor of the world class and widely renown What About Clients?/What About Paris? blog dating to the early days of legal blogging in the mid-2000s.
And? Dan is the sole reason that producer Michael Boyer and I made acquaintance earlier in 2021. That's right. Michael begged Dan to tell me he "wasn't an idiot" as Michael postured to take on obligations as producer for LAL. Query: who is more skilled in persuasion: Michael, for successfully lobbying Dan to make the pitch, or Dan, for successfully convincing me to give Michael a call?
Anyway, this episode is an important one. It is sort of like staring at a Thomas Cole painting. Dan has a way of distilling the essence of American beauty that demands examination and is framed to inspire. Indeed, I submit to you that inspiration abounds herein.
Take, for example, the Twelve Rules of Client Service. For young lawyers, this is the How-To Guide for building an enduring legacy within the legal profession. As Michael will tell you, the Twelve Rules draw upon a devotion and an ambition that exists only in those who really want to train themselves and thrive in a world that requires something more of its inhabitants than being "nice" and "smart."
I am also humbled by the timing of this episode's release. Some of you may know, but many of you will come to learn through this interview, of Dan's ongoing representation of a prominent J6 defendant, and member of the Proud Boys. Just this week, new footage has made its way into the public consciousness that supports Dan's account of the January 6th events at the Capitol, the lack of any cognizable overthrow plan, and Dan's conclusion that Americans simply "don't know each other anymore."
I admire Dan, for more than his soul and wit; he is a man of great courage and wisdom. And who else do you know that had the late Alex Haley as a professor in undergrad?
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Is there a future for individualism?
If you've listened to this podcast for any length of time, you're well-acquainted with my preoccupation with modern America's waning respect for pluralism.
According to our guest, there is nothing but a future for individualism. And, yes, our guest on this episode is that Alex Jones.
Alex is a friend, a client, a Texan, a Christian, and a patriot. He is perhaps the most widely recognized and salient voice the world over, renown for his unfettered commitment to challenging official orthodoxy.
I am humbled to present this episode to you, and also by the notion that you may have the courage to present it to someone you know, who may then display the courage to do the same.
So what is in this episode? To borrow a phrase Alex offers herein, the perspective of a Pro Human-Future Populist. We wind the clock back and discuss Alex's start in radio nearly thirty years ago, the debut of Infowars, and the cost to Alex for his commitment to remaining an independent voice, especially over the last several years.
As noted in the opening, no matter how intelligent I fancy myself, sharing a room with Alex is always an exercise in humility. I trust that through this episode you will recognize that feeling, as Alex deconstructs with lightning quickness the history of world civilizations, John Lott's perspective on the American Revolution, Thomas Jefferson's conceptualization of tyranny, and the importance of an individual's discovery of dignity in the modern era.
This episode embodies the peak nobleness of American jurisprudence. By that I simply mean that there is no greater honor than advocating for the person who personifies the very famous proposition that one need not agree with what is said in order to defend to death the right of the speaker to say it.
You can find Alex at FreeWorldNews.TV.
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Not only does Jim Nugent genuinely love practicing law, he believes that every single person should at least matriculate through law school.
Jim is a renowned personal injury attorney anchored in New Haven, Connecticut. And Jim is my best friend. As the title of this episode briefs, Jim is also a Reader in the Catholic Church—the man to whom I give full I credit for arching my path back to the faith—and an Ironman Triathlon competitor.
Jim and I first met at the famed Trial Lawyers College many years ago. Since then, Jim has built a very successful practice upon the foundation of meeting an injured person and communicating their story to another group of human beings.
As with most LAL interviews, we cover a lot of ground. This one, however, is a unique blend of topical first impressions—such as the concept of psychodrama and what Jim dubs as "the archaeological dig of oneself"—and more enduring questions, such as the definition of justice, the trustworthiness of juries, and the vanishing trial.
I could listen to Jim talk about insurance companies' ability to buy themselves out of trials, volley the merits of the focus group as the most reliable trial preparation tool, or absorb the reason underpinning Jim's approach to witness examination for hours on end.
But what I think the young and aspiring lawyers, and the mentors among the LAL audience should hear is the sincerity in Jim's voice as he recalls the most meaningful trial of his career, the importance of spending time with our young children while they're growing up, and why after 32 years of practice he considers himself a "work in progress."
I cherish these conversations, and I look forward to co-counseling a new case with Jim when the time is right.
Meet Jim Nugent: father, husband, friend, and one of the most talented lawyers on the planet.
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Social media is abuzz just now about the disappearance of Gabby Petito. Why isn’t her boyfriend talking to police? Why won’t he talk to Gabby’s family? Doesn’t he have some explaining to do?
Yes, and no.
Ms. Petito and Brian Laundrie were childhood sweethearts. The couple, in their early 20s, set out on a months-long road trip earlier this summer, hoping to cross the country and visit some of the nation’s most beautiful national parks.
Their trip ended dramatically when Mr. Laundrie returned to Florida alone, with Gabby’s van, on September 1st. Where was Gabby?
Mr. Laundrie refused to talk to police and to Gabby’s family, sparking outrage. How dare he refuse to speak? What’s he hiding? Doesn’t this prove he is guilty of foul play?
Maybe.
But maybe he’s just got a good lawyer. The Fifth Amendment give him the right not to testify, and no one can compel his to speak if his words would tend to implicate him in a crime. Nothing makes you a suspect quite as quickly as being the last person to see a missing person before the person disappeared.
This podcast explores why pleading the Fifth makes sense in this case, even if Mr. Laundrie is guilty of foul play. It also raises the possibility that Mr. Laundrie might be innocent, but afraid that what he knows could hurt him were he to blurt it out.
As I write this, Mr. Laundrie has himself turned up missing.
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Norm is joined by Michael for this topical assessment of the Biden Administration's mandatory vaccine announcement.
Norm opens in classic fashion with an extended monologue in which he shares a few bits of heart-warming personal news, the emergent risk to larger businesses in the face of a burgeoning republic of virtue, the mythological interpretation of American history, the primary commitment of the American Bill of Rights, the current risk to substantive due process behind a communitarian bent, and the apparent death of classical individualism as seen through the pandemic regulations.
The episode then opens as Norm asks Michael to describe the general thrust of the Biden Administration's most recent proclamation pursuant to its "six-pronged national strategy" known as The Path Out of the Pandemic.
Norm and Michael thereafter volley ideas around the legal justification behind the activation of OSHA as the torch-bearer for applying and enforcing the mandate. Norm asks whether such an administrative appointment would survive legal scrutiny under the Chevron standard, and the two examine "safety" as a thematic backstop for an augmented enforcement of the federal police powers.
What do the known exemptions and exceptions to the forthcoming mandate do to the integrity of the mandate's constitutionality? Who bears the cost of the required weekly testing? Is the exercisable option to test weekly a viable and practical choice? When will the mandate become effective? There is no clear answer at present to any of these questions.
The "meat and potatoes" of this episode, however, is the discussion that ensues around the balance between personal sovereignty and the State's interest in the collective safety of its citizens. Michael offers his own frustration behind what he calls the "data monolith" that does not reflect a dynamic appraisal of public health and welfare.
Norm offers an interesting perspective by acknowledging that pandemic conditions are not new—5th century Athens, 6th century Rome, Europe's "Black Death", and 18th and 19th centuries' Cholera and Typhus reflect pandemic conditions as a normal risk of living. So what is new?
Find the books Norm recommends to his listeners here and here.
The episode ends with the simple of question: where is the line? Listen. Ponder. Share.
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Happy Labor Day to you all.
I am pleased to present to you, especially the young and hungry lawyers among you, this hour-long conversation with the public relations and management titan for the nation's leading attorneys, Jay Jessup.
By and through Elite Lawyer Management, Jay and his co-founder wife, Maggie Jessup, build powerful, high-visibility brands for elite lawyer individuals and elite law firms around the country. This is indeed, as Jay describes it, the "formula for the super successful." It is what we might call a muscle boutique operation, currently working on behalf of twenty (20) lawyers and/or law firms and ten (10) lawyer-subset clients in total.
From the top ten percent (10%) of the profession, Elite Lawyer Management's mandate is to forge the top one percent (1%) in any specialty. And that means Jay and Maggie are handing out a lot of "No's". According to Jay? Roughly six (6) of every seven (7) inquiries are turned away.
Those of you who know me know I do not fancy myself as "elite" or otherwise breathing the rarified air of the legal industry's highest echelon of practitioners. But Jay likes my ponytail and I don't mind getting into verbal spats with Dr. Phil. I reckon there's something to be said for that.
As you will hear, I owe a lot to Jay and Maggie. In particular, their role as crisis managers during the very publicized and frenetic "Manhattan Madame" trial was critical to our overall success as a defense team.
Of course, our resident producer is too shy to ask the real questions so I did it for him. For the law students and young attorneys among you, pay special attention to the hypothetical I lay out in the form of Michael's current run with Carolina Craft Legal at around the 30-minute mark. Jay knows the exact book Michael should write, the panels upon which he should be speaking, and how Michael should bifurcate his brand in the personal and professional realms. In other words, let's all tell Michael to be a little more ambitious than refreshing the website and updating his LinkedIn.
This is likely the most valuable interview we've yet hosted here on Law and Legitimacy. And although Jay isn't quite ready to whip a Ford F-150 like the rest of us rugged transcendentalists, he is the man to call when you're ready to embrace the power of your own authenticity and and a culture of law warming to the necessity of self-promotion.
This is Jay Jessup of Elite Lawyer Management. Enjoy.
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Some of you may recognize the name. Others of you may not. I am confident all of you will love this interview.
Chaz is most known for being the co-host of the Chaz and AJ in the Morning Show, the Marconi Award-winning radio program holding the title of Connecticut's #1 morning show since 2003.
But enough about that. Chaz and I are kindred spirits on what is revealed to be a shared journey anchored by the quest for individual significance. Now is where I will shamelessly plug LAL #027 — On Orwell's "1984": The Imperative of Individual Significance for a primer to those of you newcomers to the podcast.
Chaz and I met some 16 or so years ago. In my line of criminal defense work, Chaz has been a consistent and reliable source of honest inquiry surrounding the most high profile of my cases. And those are a few of the words I would use to describe Chaz generally: consistent, reliable, and honest. Traits listeners of public radio deserve now more than ever.
This interview is fairly biographical. You'll learn about the 13 year-old Chaz that applied for a summer job for underprivileged children at a local radio station, and how that opportunity changed the trajectory of his entire life.
Before Chaz was Chaz, he was Charlie Phase. By 16, he was the youngest General Manager of a radio station in the United States. The rest is history.
I ask Chaz about his funniest moments as a wedding DJ, he shares the details about the time Michael Isner got him fired, and we uncover the nitty gritty of how the business really works—sometimes, your friend gets canned to make room for you.
At bottom, this interview coalesces around a shared admiration for how we as individuals actualize ourselves in the western world and how we reconcile our perceived personal failures on the way to connecting ourselves with what really matters. Chaz calls this "regular people doing extraordinary things."
I am glad to know that Chaz is learning how to relax on the weekends. And while he affirms to me that what I do is "real" by comparison, I cannot help but to think that the extraordinary feats of regular people would cease to exist without the instant intimacy Chaz creates with us through his radio broadcasts.
Listen and enjoy.
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Our guest this week is not only one of Connecticut's most effective and most proven criminal defense lawyers, but one of the finest men I have the privilege of calling a colleague and friend.
"Willie" Dow was born on Pearl Harbor Day in 1941 in Stoney Creek, Connecticut. Willie's storied legal career started in an unlikely way, with his commitment to service joining the Peace Corps being a cornerstone of that story. A graduate of the University of Pennsylvania, Willie leveraged his pre-law public service experience in Colombia by first joining Legal Services in D.C. and a bit later the Public Defenders Office before moving to Connecticut and accepting a position as Assistant U.S. Attorney.
On his way to private practice success, Willie cut his teeth learning and advocating against and alongside the Connecticut defense bar legends, including the founder of the American Trial Lawyers Association, the late Theodore "Ted" Koskoff. In one anecdote, Willie recalls how pedestrian Koskoff's case strategy and closing argument in a particular high profile case appeared to him only to have a revelation to the contrary while mowing his grass two years later.
The first half of this episode will take you through these early years of Willie's career before joining Jacobs in 1976. From there, this interview transitioned into a volley of questions and answers designed for today's up-and-coming young lawyers.
From Willie, "know who you are."
I peppered Willie with a series of questions: what is your most amazing experience in the courtroom? Most heartbreaking? Biggest challenge?
We talk about the values that have led to the sustained success of Jacobs and Dow over the years. And then we have a little fun.
Does Willie believe in the 'vanishing trial'?
Is there such thing as a 'trial tax'? How big of a problem is 'Big Law' in the profession?
What about the regulation of lawyers? Criminal sentencing guidelines? Ideal qualities of justice from the bench?
Likely the most important message for young attorneys on the rise: "You can't try a case unless you can lose a case—you can't be afraid."
It is all here for you in this episode, which I cap by offering Willie Sainthood. Willie can see the whole field. Listen to hear a glimpse of the uncommon among the uncommon in modern legal lore. Enjoy.
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The Taliban erased the work and struggle of two decades of Western influence and state building in Afghanistan this week. It was a collage of what I call globalist monism — the assumption that there can be a universal agreement on global norms capable of governing the world.
The collapse carries a warning to the West: Rekindle the traditions that brought you to the world power, or welcome your own version of the Taliban to your shores.
Momism is the vision of a world in which one set of values or beliefs are regarded as superior to those of others. Thus, the best version of society can be known, and imposed on others for their own good. In the words of Jean Jacques Rousseau, people can be forced to be free.
Pluralism, by contrast, holds that there are competing visions of the good — that individuals should be free to find their own way, guided by their own vision of the good.
We’re all closet monists, making the best choices we can for ourselves. But we recognize pluralism as the best means for creating a good life in common. Hence the power of liberal democratic societies, especially in the post-World War II world.
But a funny thing happened on the way to the 21st century. The bottom fell out of pluralism.
We used to take for granted unstated assumptions about the value such things as truth, beauty and objective reality — bedrock principles that form the core of the Juadeo-Christian tradition.
Now, everything is up for grabs. There is no center.
Hence the failure of globalism. The universal vision of a global citizen, of global norms, denies the truth that all politics are local. We crave efficacy and significance in our own lives. The Taliban understood that. It’s vision of the good rejects western monism.
The danger?
Globalism is right in theory but fatal in fact: Yes, there are answers to what is best for all. The trouble is now of us want what is best for all. We all chose our own imperatives before adopting those of others. When individual imperatives are shorn from their base in a grand tradition, nihilism becomes the norm. We’re on the road to nihilistic disintegration in the United States.
Identitarians and the Taliban may look different, but they are the same. We crave significance. We need ideals as large and grand as our aspirations, We’ve lost sight of these goals and visions. Afghanistan shows a civilization, a way of life, that has exhausted itself.
Behold, the New Barbarism.
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My guest on this episode of Law and Legitimacy is premier First Amendment lawyer, Marc Randazza.
Marc's resume speaks for itself. And as you will hear, Marc has been an advocate for individual sovereignty since grade school.
We start this interview by tracing his path to prominence in First Amendment advocacy. You'll learn about Marc's genetic predisposition to fail at adapting to military discipline. You'll hear about the times he flunked out of undergrad. You might even be disgusted to know that Marc pursued journalism before pursuing a career in law.
But what you'll hear the most is Marc's unwavering commitment to the principles of free expression and the unlikely beginnings of a glittering career that began with his defense of an adult book store.
Unpopular political speech is the totality of Marc's bustling practice. So I ask him: what is the Bill of Rights? Why does the Bill of Rights matter?
And then I ask him what the biggest threats are to free speech.
My answer—that the bottom has fallen out of pluralism in American society—will not surprise you. But neither will Marc's insight.
Listen in for a volley of ideas surrounding notions of obscenity, the social and therapeutic value of the marketplace of ideas, the impact of political tribalism on the curtailment of speech, and the likelihood that SCOTUS applies obscenity to political speech in order to create a "Hate Speech" exception to the First Amendment.
Marc is one of the good ones. I cherish working with him. And I cherish opportunities like this to capture the essence of the finest our sacred practice has to offer. Enjoy.
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I guess nothing is sacred any longer in the United States—certainly not elections, legal process, fairness, or the presumption of innocence. In a 165-page report by New York’s Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo was accused of a pattern of sexual harassment involving eleven women.
The governor denied it, but has now announced his intention to resign from office.
Seriously?
Were I a New Yorker, I would feel betrayed, especially if I had voted for the man. He owes more to the people of the Empire State that this ignominious retreat from confronting charges he denies. We’ve become a republic of pusillanimous wimps.
The claims against Cuomo are that he kissed, hugged, and groped women with whom he worked, and that he sometimes talked about sex with them.
He was single. He hugs and kisses men, too. What next, a parade of men who he’s hugged or kissed under the banner #HimToo?
I was hopeful that the #MeToo movement had run its course during the pandemic, the hysteria spent and now flowing in other directions. My hopes are dashed. Flirtation is a crime and victimhood the new national pastime.
Cuomo’s decision to cut and run is a major disappointment. I thought he was a fighter. He’s not. He’s a pussy.
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This week, New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio announced a new “Key to NYC Pass" program. Listen to the mayor:
“This is a miraculous place literally full of wonders. If you’re vaccinated, all that’s going to open up to you. But if you’re unvaccinated, unfortunately you will not be able to participate in many things.”
He’s telling you, then, unless you are either registered online as vaccinated or carry proof of vaccination, you cannot dine at an indoor restaurant, use a gym or enter a movie theater. “Your papers, please,” will become the new greeting of hosts and hostesses everywhere.
It’s chilling, a prelude to a terrifying future.
And because it arrises in the context of a never-ending pandemic, and because it affects only access to seeming luxuries, we will tolerate as a necessary price to pay for safety.
As one New Yorker put it: “This is about public health, so if you are entitled to not have the vaccination, and I am entitled to have the vaccination, I am also entitled not to want to be around you because I am taking care of myself and taking care of the community.”
Such are the seedlings of something like totalitarianism planted.
Are we in a public health emergency requiring extreme measures? If so, what’s the next emergency requiring such measures: gun control, “systemic racism,” or, perhaps, climate change? Let’s just yield liberty to the experts, those folks who know best how we can, and should, live.
In China, folks carry identification cards. Some of those cards are equipped with microchips containing massive amounts of data about the bearer’s habits — what they read, where they visit, what they buy, and who they associate with. An algorithm can score people based on what technocrats believe is a desirable social profile. People with higher social utility scores get better and less expensive access to both amenities and necessities.
I fear we’re one step closer to that in the United States, although here we won’t call it social utility—we'll call it Wokeness.
Scary times ahead, and I am not talking about the pandemic.
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Harvey Weinstein, Robert Durst, Anna "the Manhattan Madam" Gristina, Lil' Wayne, and Lawrence Taylor. The common thread is New York's most prominent bail bondsman, Ira Judelson.
Mr. "30 Million on the Street" and author of recent book, "The Fixer: The Notorious Life of a Front-Page Bail Bondsman", Ira Judelson joins Law and Legitimacy to discuss the fundamentals of the bond business—what a bondsman does, what the bond market is, the function of "cut slips", and the nature of a bondsman's relationship to his client—and the toll of a life devoted to justice amid the most challenging legal circumstances.
I have known Ira for more than a decade. He is as real as it gets. He's tough. He's reliable. And he's courageous. But beyond the gripping anecdotes, a few of which he shares herein, Ira's strong moral compass is likely his most compelling attribute.
Ira is a devoted husband and father. Expect the pride he takes in these roles to leak right through your speakers. Perhaps it is that devotion to and pride for his family that inform the success that Ira has become in the bondsman field, and why this episode is such a fit within the theme of legitimacy.
What will also leak—rather, flood—through your speakers is our shared hate for the other's collegiate football loyalty. Was I able to get this Buckeye to recite the Big Blue credo?
This is Ira Judelson, Bail Bondsman to the Stars. Listen and enjoy.
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"You know Zeus metes out fortune to good and bad men as it pleases him. Hardship he sent you, you must bear it."
Odysseus awakens on foreign shores after being tossed for weeks on violent seas. Is he among friends or strangers? Athena arranges a friendly reception, the daughter of a prince, Nausikaa, stumbles upon him. Her hand-maidens recoil in fear.
“Strangers and beggars come from Zeus,” she reminds them. “A small gift, then, is friendly.” Odysseus utters immortal words to her, words which are the hope of all those bound together in matrimony:
“And may the gods accomplish your desire: a home, a husband, and harmonious converse with him — the best thing in the world being a strong house held in serenity where man and wife agree.” Nausikaa sees the nobility in this stranger.
Book VI is brief and yet contains so much grace and dignity. Hospitality, fortitude, plain spoken gratitude — all the higher virtues are on display here. Listen. Enjoy. We are all Odysseus finding our way blindly, hopefully, in a world of traps and snares.
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Too busy to read? Fine—I will read for you. Listen as though your soul’s life depends on it, because, in fact it does.
Herewith, Book VI of Homer’s Odyssey.
See: LAL #035 for my reading of Book V.
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I’ve a confession: Months go by without my ever turning on the television; I cannot recall the last time I watched cable news. I see the talking heads, and I think Macbeth:
“Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
All the chatter, all the news, the breathless repetition of the obvious, the rendering of half-truths into complete nonsense, and yet the audience, the millions who cannot tear themselves away from the noise. We’re rubbernecking at the catastrophe that has become our common lot.
We can do better. We are living on the capital of a great civilization, drawing down from ancient fonts of wisdom even as we tear at the foundations of what makes our foolish extravagance possible. It’s terrifying.
So what can you do?
Nourish the best within you and within our civilization.
Read the classics, I say. Start with the Bible, or, with Homer.
Aren’t we all Odysseus's son now? “He’s gone, no sign, no word of him; and I inherit trouble and tears …”
Odysseus is a man of many wiles and troubles. Join me as we chart his course.
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This one is solemn. "I don't even know who I was before then." Jonathan Gibbs was accused of murder in June of 2013, in a case that came to be known as the "Tennis Shoe Murder" in the press and media. The jury acquitted Jonathan of all charged counts. Jon was also found not responsible in the subsequent civil law suit brought by the victim's estate. You will hear Jonathan talk about the precipitating events of Fathers Day of 2013 and his subsequent arrest and incarceration. You will hear Jonathan describe his experience of intense loneliness, feelings of betrayal, and his glimpse of a life confined for a crime he did not commit. You will also hear the journey we took together, about the immense trust Jonathan placed in me, and I hope the bond and the love that we formed for one another will be palpable to you. The moment we shared on the courthouse steps, with the sun hitting Jonathan's face as a free man, is one I will cherish forever. This episode contains the essence of Law and Legitimacy. Listen and see if you can hear it. Join Norm Pattis's growing subscriber base on Patreon. And give Law and Legitimacy a 5-Star rating on your platform of choice and leave a review! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/norm-pattis/support
In 1950, Allan Turing wrote about the imitation game. Place a computer behind a screen and have a human ask it questions by way of a keyboard. If the computer can answer the questions in a manner that makes it impossible for the human to tell whether the author was a human or a computer, the machine "passes" the test, and would be said to be possessed of general human intelligence. It was a narrow vision of intelligence and a purely instrumental view of what it meant to be human.
In our lifetimes, computers have exceeded our capacity at doing many narrow tasks. IBM computers beat the human champions at such games as Jeopardy and chess.
But were the machines any closer to general human intelligence? IBM hoped that Watson, the Jeopardy winner, would signal a brave new era of computing. It announced that Watson would be set loose on medicine, with hopes of finding more efficacious treatments, and maybe even the cure, for cancer.
IBM has since given up those dreams. Watson isn't human, after all; it's not even a thinking thing. It merely crunches vast amounts of data using algorithms that direct its attention at what to look for.
Computers can do limited tasks faster and more reliably than humans, but they cannot replicate what is distinctively human. Computers don't long; they don't desire; they compute. Silicon Valley, it turns out, is having a spiritual crisis of sorts.
I'm relieved frankly. I don't see computers as capable of wrestling with the ordinary questions that haunt the nights of any truly thinking thing: "Where did we come from? What is our purpose? Why is there suffering". Go ahead and ask Siri sometime for something more profound than a recipe. "Hey. Siri, why is there a world rather than not?"
I am an Augustinian. I believe, as did Augustine, that we are in search of the divine, an ineffable sense of completeness in the belief that God is everywhere present but nowhere to be seen. We are creatures of faith, and that faith, I suspect is more than hard-wired neural complexity. Show me the computer that can write, with Augustine, and without prompting, that "our heart is restless until in rests in you," and I'll do a double-take; I'll recognize a kindred spirit.
Show me a computer that confesses its own short-comings, it's sin, it's misplaced desires! So here's a new challenge to the AI community: Build a machine that can write like Augustine and long as Augustine longs, and Ithen will believe that there is such a thing as artificial general intelligence.
We're nowhere near that.
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Andrew Wyatt is the spokesman for Bill Cosby, standing by him in the run up to his trial and his conviction in Pennsylvania, and greeting him at the prison gates when he was released from prison after the State Supreme Court threw out the conviction.
Who is Andrew Wyatt? And what does a spokesman do? Few Americans have enjoyed the celebrity status that Bill Cosby enjoyed. And none have fallen so far and so quickly from grace.
Will Cosby engage in a comeback tour? If he does, I’m betting Andrew Wyatt will be by his side.
I just love this guy. In this wide-ranging interview, Wyatt talks about his childhood, his work, how he met Bill Cosby, and the challenges of representing 'America’s Dad' to a media that turned surly during the what appears as the prologue to the #MeToo hysteria.
What’s next for Bill Cosby? Did prison change him? Just how did his lawyers permit the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to promise Cosby effective immunity and then turn around and prosecute him?
Wyatt’s at once quick-witted, charming, and, from time-to-time, funny as hell. I suspect his endearing qualities are a product of the time his spent on Detroit’s east side, where I, too, emerged from adolescence into the bright lights of adulthood confusion and angst. And did you know that Wyatt and Cosby are fraternity brothers, both members of Omega Psi Phi?
Listen in to find out how Law and Legitimacy’s host, Norm Pattis, also developed a connection to the fraternity.
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Donald Trump’s suits against Facebook and Twitter are, unfortunately, about as likely to succeed as were his challenges to the 2020 election. In the election cases, his claims appeared to be frivolous.
The social media complaints, however, are far from frivolous, at least in intent. But the legal theories they assert are ridiculous.
Facebook and Twitter are private entities. They are not governed by the first amendment. The first amendment’s ban on content-based censorship does not apply to private actors. It really is that simple.
So Trump’s legal team decided that they needed to find away to cloak Facebook and Twitter in the garments of state action. The complaint fails to do that, miserably. It will be summarily dismissed, and the dismissal upheld by the federal appellate courts. The issues it raises will not be heard by the United States Supreme Court. Indeed, I doubt many constitutional law professors would give a student submitting such a complaint a grade for anything other that a stilted form of creativity: a C+ might be warranted by a lenient grader.
First, the complaint simply asserts that Facebook is a state actor because it buckled under to government pressure in censoring speech. That’s ridiculous.
Facebook and Twitter do enjoy the benefits of a legislative grant of immunity for the material they publish as a result of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Congress is considering eliminating the immunity. Facebook and Twitter did respond by censoring folks it deemed to violate its hate speech and violent speech policies. But that doesn’t make Facebook and Twitter state actors. There’s no case that upholds such a theory.
Second, the complaint contends that Facebook and Twitter enjoy an unconstitutional delegation of Congressional power. This is plainly illogical. Congress doesn’t have the power to regulate speech; it never delegated that. It did threaten to withhold a benefit, but that is not the same as delegation.
Trump missed a better theory.
His team should have argued that Facebook is a constructive public trust. That is, that Facebook enjoys a public benefit in the form of immunity from suit; in exchange it should be required to adopt first amendment norms. This would take a decision of the Supreme Court to uphold, but at least the theory has conceptual integrity.
If this is the opening salvo of Trump’s 2024 campaign. I say find another candidate, or, Mr. Trump, find new and more creative lawyers. This suit does not pass the straight-face test.
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"Can we long exist as a society if we lose our tradition in the roots of faith?"
My guest on this episode of Law and Legitimacy is Ron Coleman. Ron Coleman is a partner at The Dhillon Law Group and has a robust practice including business law, commercial litigation, trademarks, intellectual property, antitrust, appellate issues and the occasional appearance in front of SCOTUS, anchored out of New York City.
Ron is also the host of his own new podcast, The Coleman-Nation Podcast, and is the brilliant mind behind the massive catalogue of blog material you can find at Likelihood of Confusion.
Ron is a lawyer's lawyer, without a doubt. But although our conversation was anchored in the obvious pretense of the practice of law, you will find a transcendent discussion emerge—almost from the moment this episode begins.
I took great pleasure in learning of Ron's commitment to Talmudic scholarship and his willingness to share the insight embedded in what he terms to be the "codified fact patterns" of scripture. Among the most poignant queries: what is Inspiration? What does it mean to be Inspired? And is modern man inspired in his current state?
This is the central question of this podcast. Ron and I together attempt to lay forth the nihilistic trajectory of the current era—a sort of anarchy—and opine on the existential importance of common conceptions of right and consensus to a society. And if two seasoned attorneys with minimal overlap in practice can colocate around these themes, where are the rest of the people in our profession?
Yes. We really attacked the theme of Legitimacy.
Our discussion floats effortlessly from our shared philosophical bents into more concrete topics, such as legal realism, the Lanham Act (wherein Ron teaches me and the rest of you what a trademark is in less than 90 seconds), Ron's representation of The Slants before SCOTUS in Matal v. Tam, the evolving trends in Speech, and the Giuliani law license suspension.
I cannot overstate the pleasure we took here at Law and Legitimacy in hosting such engaging content. Perhaps that is the real magic of Ron Coleman. You can find him raising hell on Socials: @RonColeman, @ColemanNation1, and @Likely2Confuse. You may follow the firm, @DhillonLaw, and the Coleman-Nation Podcast producer, Jeremy Corr, @JeremyCCorr.
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The Pennsylvania Supreme Court reversed the conviction of Bill Cosby for the rape of Andrea Constand in a stinging rebuke of Commonwealth prosecutors. The Court ruled that prosecutors cannot retry Cosby, now 83. By the time you read this, he should be a free man.
Cosby was tried twice for the rape of Ms. Constand. When the first trial ended in a hung jury, with no unanimous verdict, Pennsylvania tried again, adding more witnesses. The second trial resulted in a conviction.
But fatal to both trials, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled, was the use of evidence the Commonwealth promised Cosby it would never use.
In 2005, Ms. Constand claimed Cosby had raped her one year earlier. Prosecutors investigated the claim and found it wanting. Because they did not think they could get a conviction, they encouraged Ms. Constand to sue Cosby civilly. In order to eliminate any use of the fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination, prosecutors agreed never to prosecute Cosby for a crime. Ms. Constand sued, Cosby testified at a deposition, and the case settled for north of $3 million.
At his criminal trials a decade later, prosecutors used his deposition testimony against him. In other words, they induced him to waive his right to remain silent and then used his own words to help convict him. When challenged at the trial level, prosecutors claimed that the agreement they reached was informal.
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court wasn’t buying that sorry tune today. In a stinging rebuke, it reminded prosecutors of the obvious: they are ministers of justice. In this case, they behaved unjustly.
Question: Does Pennsylvania now pay Cosby for the abuse of his constitutional rights?
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The State of New York recently suspended Rudy Giuliani’s law license on an interim basis in one of the most shocking decisions I’ve read in quite some time.
The court concluded, agreeing with bar regulators, that Giuliani posed an immediate threat to the public justifying an abrupt pulling of his license absent more formal hearings.
Why? He made false statements to the court, to the public and to the world about his client’s theory that the 2020 election was stolen.
His client? Donald J. Trump, of course.
Lawyers do not have the right to speak as freely as do non-lawyers. There are rules of professional conduct that limit attorney speech.
But this ruling makes a mockery of those rules.
Did Giuliani knowingly make false statements to the court? Perhaps. But it was in the context of his advocacy; he was advancing his client’s theory of the case.
He did not mislead the court as to case law, which indeed is the Cardinal Sin for lawyers. He was guilty of inconsistency and over-promising in argument about what he could offer as evidence. That’s a common failing. If the trial judge thinks he over-stepped a boundary, that judge can impose sanctions.
But suspension months after the case ended on grounds of protecting the public? There are pig sties in upstate New York that smell better than this.
There are two (2) other claims from the State: (i) that Giuliani made false statements to third parties when he appeared on television, the radio and elsewhere; and (ii) that Giuliani behaved in a way that led regulators to doubt his fitness to practice law.
This is risible. Lawyers are free to speak to the public. The only professional limit is on speech carrying a substantial likelihood to prejudice a public proceeding. Giuliani did nothing of the sort.
This is cancel culture in judicial robes and it is terrifying. I doubt these same regulators are chomping at the bit to disbar the young lawyers accused of throwing lit Molotov cocktails during a BLM protest.
Appeal, Rudy. Take it all the way to the Supreme Court.
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He tried to sit on this one, but I wouldn't allow it. This interview is with Mike Boyer of the Craft Carolina Legal group. As you know, I interview lawyers once a week or so. My goal is to take snapshots of what various lawyers do, how they came to be lawyers, what they like and dislike about the profession. Mike's practice areas are far different from mine: He actually advises and counsels people who make things and tangle with the regulatory apparatus of the state. Put another way, he has Job's patience. Mike is modest, too. An attribute I don't share. All lawyers stand at the intersection of conflicting desires and interests. We embody the hope of civilization, enforcing and interpreting the rules that set the minimal conditions of civilized society. Lawyers on ambassadors, plain and simple. Mike is the technical genius who makes Law and Legitimacy possible. He's a young lawyer, a new father and a bright light of a human being. Bask in the glow of decency he reflects. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/norm-pattis/support
“Here is your servant; lord, have mercy on me.”
Zeus decrees that Odysseus shall be released from his captivity to Kalypso. He is sent to see along, on a raft built with his own hands. After many days, he spies land, but a vengeful Poseidon stirs the oceans. Odysseus is capsized and exhausted. He fears death, but is show the way to shore by by a helpful goddess and the gift of Athena, “the gift of self-possession.” He reaches land, spent, and prepares a bed of leaves beneath some olive branches where he hopes rest will restore him.
Too busy to read? Fine—I will read for you. Listen as though your soul’s life depends on it, because, in fact it does.
Herewith, Book V of Homer’s Odyssey.
See: LAL #028 for my reading of Book IV.
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I’ve a confession: Months go by without my ever turning on the television; I cannot recall the last time I watched cable news. I see the talking heads, and I think Macbeth:
“Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
All the chatter, all the news, the breathless repetition of the obvious, the rendering of half-truths into complete nonsense, and yet the audience, the millions who cannot tear themselves away from the noise. We’re rubbernecking at the catastrophe that has become our common lot.
We can do better. We are living on the capital of a great civilization, drawing down from ancient fonts of wisdom even as we tear at the foundations of what makes our foolish extravagance possible. It’s terrifying.
So what can you do?
Nourish the best within you and within our civilization.
Read the classics, I say. Start with the Bible, or, with Homer.
Aren’t we all Odysseus's son now? “He’s gone, no sign, no word of him; and I inherit trouble and tears …”
Odysseus is a man of many wiles and troubles. Join me as we chart his course.
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This week, Connecticut's Chief State's Attorney, Richard Colangelo, Jr., graciously joined Law and Legitimacy for an hour-long interview and rare respite from the war stories that typify the prosecutor-defense attorney paradigm.
Indeed, Norm and Richard have long been trial attorney adversaries. Legend has it that Norm even pursued Richard on grounds of prosecutorial misconduct all the way up to the 2nd Circuit a few moons ago.
This episode, however, breathes life into the theme of Legitimacy by and through its discussion of criminal justice and the challenges facing prosecutors and defense attorneys alike in the modern world.
Norm and Richard journey together in this interview and address the following ideas and questions:
What is a trial?
Are you ever troubled by outcomes?
What is "Restorative Justice"?
Pathological Expressions of Victimhood
How does society take care of those who have been victimized by the misconduct of their loved ones?
The difficulty inherent in plea deals
The "Last Best Offer" text in the recent Connecticut transparency bill
What makes murder "worth" the top of the statutory range?
How has the practice of law and professionalism changed?
Defund the Police and issues of transparency
Staying true to one's word
Norm ends the episode by asking Richard to repeat two simple words aloud. This is a great one. Listen and enjoy. Please consider joining Norm Pattis's growing subscriber base on Patreon. Please also consider giving Law and Legitimacy a 5-Star rating and perhaps leave it a glowing review.
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This was an odd week on the frontiers of the emerging racial divisions in the United States.
From the federal appellate courts, good news — the 6th Circuit struct down a federal program giving preferential access to federal coronavirus relief funds on the basis of race and gender.
From Yale University, troubling news — it took the university months to finally distance itself from the remarks of a visiting psychiatrist who told fellow professionals she fantasizes about happily shooting white folks in the head.
In the case of Antonio Vitolo; Jake’s Bar and Grill, LLC. v. Isabella Casillas Guzman, a 2-1 panel decision wrote: “This case is about whether the government can allocate limited coronavirus relief funds bases on the race and sex of applicants. We hold it cannot.”
At issue was relief targeted at restaurant owners. Members of favored races and gender were given preferential access to funds. Jake’s Bar and Grill challenged that, fearing the funds would be gone by the time its application was considered. The circuit court froze distribution of the funds pending further litigation.
The dissent argues that affirmative action is lawful, and this program is a necessary means of redressing historic injustice.
Expect this case, or a case like it, to reach the Supreme Court next year.
In the Yale case, a psychiatrist named Dr. Aruna Khilanani from New York City was invited to address grand rounds the Yale Child Study Center in April. Grand Rounds are clinical presentations designed and intended to foster discussion among specialists about topics they will confront in their practice.
The title of the talk says it all: “Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind.” In her talk, the doctor talked about how useless it was to talk to white people about race, and about how she fantasized about shooting them in the head and happily walking away with but nominal guilt.
Only this week did Yale seek to distance itself from this incendiary gibberish. As for Dr. Khilanani, she now claims it was mere hyperbole, uttered for dramatic effect.
Seriously?
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Episode 32 is special in more ways than one.
Last week, the world lost a titan of American jurisprudence and criminal advocacy, F. Lee Bailey. This episode is thus devoted entirely to the man and the legend F. Lee Bailey was and will forever be known to be.
We start with a reading from the Norm Pattis Blog, Farewell to a Legend: F. Lee Bailey, which Norm penned on June 2, 2021, just moments following the news of Lee's passing. Norm recounts the most visible parts of Lee's legacy, and goes further to illustrate the enduring personal relationship shared beginning with a client matter some twenty years ago.
To headline this episode, the wonderful people at The Kevin Alan Show were kind enough to allow Law and Legitimacy to redistribute the F. Lee Bailey interview as Norm conducted and hosted originally on The Kevin Alan Show platforms and channels. You can find the link to the original interview, which aired April 18, 2021, here. Please go subscribe to the Kevin Alan channel, turn on notifications, and thank the generous crew on behalf of Law and Legitimacy.
The interview is bursting at the seams with insights, spanning relevant topics such as the Derek Chauvin trial and conviction as well as more storied subjects such as the O.J. Simpson trial. As for the latter, the tremendous loss of F. Lee Bailey is punctuated by the fact that his newest book, "The Truth About the O.J. Simpson Trial: By the Architect of the Defense", is scheduled to release just days from now, on June 15, 2021. Norm and Lee tease some of the lesser known but material aspects of the O.J. trial and Lee's book in this interview.
Listen and enjoy.
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I took a road trip to Vermont the other day. I found myself myself, in the end, standing along the border to Canada deep in the woods, looking at a marker dividing one country from another.
It was a source of delight, really, imagining myself as Humpty Dumpty on the wall, looking down on a continent filled with scrambling folks trying to reassemble just what, exactly? Certainly not me.
When I returned home, Thoreau’s Walden Pond beckoned. The book transformed me when I was an adolescent in Detroit. There was life beyond the grime and hatred that made the city seem so terrifying to me. Somehow, Thoreau, and my chance encounter with him in a bookstore, transformed me.
Now, fifty years, and a lifetime of turmoil and complexity behind me, Thoreau’s call to simplify grows louder, reawakened, perhaps, by the narrowing horizons of my life. I’m no longer the young man filled with ambition; nor am I the confident middle-aged man making my steps with care so as to arrive at some calculated version of success.
I have become all that I will ever be, and that requires a reckoning of sorts. I sat on the border and wondered about the value of all that I call good. “The greater part of what my neighbors call good I believe in my soul to be bad, and if I repent of anything it is very likely to be my good behavior,” Thoreau once said.
"Amen," I cry.
I’ll return to Vermont soon. I spent a lot of time in Michigan’s Northwoods as a troubled teen. I suspect that as the sun sets on my horizon, I’ll be a Vermonter with a secret longing to leave for Quebec.
Maybe that’s Thoreau’s point: we’re all expatriates, whether we know it or not.
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My second long-form interview guest for Law and Legitimacy is a law student. We'll call him 'Student X'.
Some say lawyers are born and not made. I’m not so sure about that. Lawyering is hard work; it takes training to earn the right to stand in the law’s trenches.
In this interview, we’ll discuss what it’s like to be a law student. Student X is a rising 2L at an elite law school, by which I mean a school that requires impossibly good grades to even be considered for admission. This young man just completed his first year. He will describe what he learned.
Why Student X? These are tough times on law school campuses; indeed, they are tough times on campuses in general. A growing intolerance for all by the politically correct forms of speech makes it perilous to speak one's mind. Offend the wrong person or group and one just might get cancelled. I am aware of one recent law school graduate who had to appear before his school’s “honor” committee on multiple occasions for impolitic speech.
We’ve disguised Student X’s voice and done what we can to make sure the hounds of unctuousness can’t identify him in this interview.
You might be surprised by what’s going on in law schools these days. Did a majority of this young man’s classmates really refuse to ratify the Constitution in a mock ratification vote? If so, what are these would-be Solons doing in law school?
Enjoy.
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Calls for a commission to study the January 6 “insurrection” at the Capitol present an interesting opportunity to take a long and sustained look at what ails the American republic. But the Commission needs to ask the right questions.
And? It needs to be staffed by the right scholars.
In this podcast, I provide what I believe to be the proper framing and focus of the Commission, and propose a structure for how to answer the most important question and who should be tasked accordingly. Here's an outline of that structure:
Chapter 1 — The Presidential Election of 2016
- Joseph Uscinski's "American Conspiracy Theories"
Chapter 2 — Big Tech Communications
- Shoshana Zuboff's "Age of Surveillance Capitalism"
Chapter 3 — Is Hate Speech on the Rise?
- Daryl Johnson's "Hateland: A Long, Hard Look at America's Extremist Heart"
- Anne Case and Angus Deaton's "Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism"
Chapter 4 — What is the Crisis of Legitimacy?
- Paul Reitter and Chad Wellmon's work in the Chronicle of Higher Education re: Max Weber's seminal, "Politics as a Vocation"
Chapter 5 — The Role of the 2020 Pandemic in Lessening the Bonds of Civil Association
- Nicholas Christakis's "Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live"
Chapter 6 — Free Speech in an Open Society
- Jonathan Turley
Chapter 7 — Challenges to Come
- Who do YOU suggest? Let me know.
Bottom line? The violence on January 6, 2021 and the violence throughout the country in the summer of 2020 are related.
We don’t need a commission to study the January 6, 2021, events as though it were a terrorist attack akin to the events of 9/11.
We need something like the Kerner Commission of 1968, which studied the summer riots of 1967.
We have lost a common commitment to a common conception of right. The country is disintegrating. Somehow we transformed a police shooting into a demand for a “racial reckoning” while ignoring growing evidence of “deaths of despair” among older while Americans.
The commission needs to address the cognitive dissonance that has become a part and parcel of our national life.
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A son in search of his father; a mother’s fearful tears; and the fidelity of lifelong friends. You will find some part of your life in these pages.
Too busy to read? Fine—I will read for you. Listen as though your soul’s life depends on it, because, in fact it does.
Herewith, Book IV of Homer’s Odyssey.
See: LAL #024 for my reading of Book III.
See Also: Norm Pattis on Patreon.
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I’ve a confession: Months go by without my ever turning on the television; I cannot recall the last time I watched cable news. I see the talking heads, and I think Macbeth:
“Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
All the chatter, all the news, the breathless repetition of the obvious, the rendering of half-truths into complete nonsense, and yet the audience, the millions who cannot tear themselves away from the noise. We’re rubbernecking at the catastrophe that has become our common lot.
We can do better. We are living on the capital of a great civilization, drawing down from ancient fonts of wisdom even as we tear at the foundations of what makes our foolish extravagance possible. It’s terrifying.
So what can you do?
Nourish the best within you and within our civilization.
Read the classics, I say. Start with the Bible, or, with Homer.
Aren’t we all Odysseus's son now? “He’s gone, no sign, no word of him; and I inherit trouble and tears …”
Odysseus is a man of many wiles and troubles. Join me as we chart his course.
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I re-read Orwell’s 1984 the other day — one of the joys afforded by cross-country travel is the plenty of downtime in airports and on planes. How well does Orwell’s fears of a totalitarian society account for what we have become, and are becoming?
The work is bleak, as those of you who read it through to the end know. But don’t assume that just because Communism has failed as an ideology that Orwell has less to say to us now than he he did in 1949, when the work was first published.
Where once stood the party, there now stands big tech. If anything, Orwell failed to foresee just how powerful the means of mass manipulation and control could become. Social media occupies the place of Big Brother.
In the end, Winston Smith, is broken by Big Brother. Smith’s quest for significance, what I will call the fundamental human drive, leads him into a direct confrontation with the state. The state crushes him, and it demands that he renounce not just the woman he loves, but love itself, the better to be made into a compliant slave of the collective.
It’s tempting to regard the demands of political correctness and a “progressive” view of history as the functional equivalent of Big Brother. We are all, those of who aspire to advance and prosper at any rate, tethered to a world of common expectations, a vision of the good that demands we find our significance in the eyes of the collective good.
That is the path to spiritual death.
The heroes in 1984? The proles. The ordinary people forgotten by history for whom loyalty is an end in itself and the simple pleasures of loving and being loved are enough.
Were Orwell alive today, he’d write a more pessimistic book, but the message would be the same: in the tragic mess we call history, the quest of individual significance in the only enduring value worth pursuing.
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My first long-form interview guest for Law and Legitimacy is one of America's great trial lawyers, R. Rex Parris.
Rex is also a mayor, the founder of a biotech company, and an environmental activist.
My main question to Rex: what do you see in a courtroom? His answers will surprise you.
Rex has spent several decades mastering cognitive sciences, treating the courtroom and the city council chamber alike as a laboratory. He shares some basic insights into how our hearts, minds, and bodies interact. I cannot claim to understand it all, but I know his vision on the subject is compelling and I want to know more. Rex has been a good friend of mine for 25 years.
After spending a week with him in my recent trip westward, I thought, "Wow! This is the interview for Law and Legitimacy." Did I choose that, or was it a result of some master plan, the architect of which is unknown to me?
Listen. Enjoy.
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What's going on?! However this episode is reaching you, I hope it finds you well.
My name is Michael Boyer. I am the managing attorney for Carolina Craft Legal here in beautiful Greensboro, North Carolina. I have for the last six-or-so weeks been assisting Norm from afar on all things technical and quality for this podcast, Law and Legitimacy.
I trust that you, like I, are hearing the march of progress in that respect.
I want to first express my sincere and deep appreciation to each of you listening for taking this journey and engaging with the ideas and notions presented. As a young practitioner, it is an absolute honor to to play even a small role in bringing Norm's deep experience, wisdom, and timeless insight to the public through this new audio channel, and in such a prolific fashion.
And as a practitioner, I also know that the client is the headliner—the main event—with no exceptions. That is how Norm operates.
Indeed, a client matter arose this week requiring Norm's immediate presence and undivided attention. So, you're stuck with me for a brief spell!
This week, I am narrating Norm's most recently posted blog titled, "Yo, Can You Spare 40 Acres and a Mule?", which can be found here at Pattis Blog.
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"Though as for death, of course all men must suffer it:
the gods may love a man, but they can’t help him
when cold death comes to lay him on his bier."
Too busy to read? Fine—I will read for you. Listen as though your soul’s life depends on it, because, in fact it does.
Herewith, Book III of Homer’s Odyssey.
See: LAL #022 for my reading of Book II.
See Also: Law and Legitimacy on Patreon.
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I’ve a confession: Months go by without my ever turning on the television; I cannot recall the last time I watched cable news. I see the talking heads, and I think Macbeth:
“Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
All the chatter, all the news, the breathless repetition of the obvious, the rendering of half-truths into complete nonsense, and yet the audience, the millions who cannot tear themselves away from the noise. We’re rubbernecking at the catastrophe that has become our common lot.
We can do better. We are living on the capital of a great civilization, drawing down from ancient fonts of wisdom even as we tear at the foundations of what makes our foolish extravagance possible. It’s terrifying.
So what can you do?
Nourish the best within you and within our civilization.
Read the classics, I say. Start with the Bible, or, with Homer.
Aren’t we all Odysseus's son now? “He’s gone, no sign, no word of him; and I inherit trouble and tears …”
Odysseus is a man of many wiles and troubles. Join me as we chart his course.
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The law is a clear: a defendant is entitled to a fair trial, not a perfect trial.
In the case of Minnesota v. Derek Chauvin, there are good reasons to doubt whether Chauvin received a fair trial. Even the federal government seems to acknowledge that; why else would federal prosecutors bring federal charges before sentence is even imposed?
Chauvin’s lawyer filed a motion to set aside the verdict this week, asking for more time to fully brief the issues. Among the issues he raises is a significant claim of juror misconduct.
It turns out one juror, Brandon Mitchell, was observed at a rally, smiling, and wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the words: “Get Your Knee Off My Neck,” long before the trial.
Mitchell never disclosed this to the court during jury selection. Neither did he disclose his podcasts on the topic. He claimed little knowledge about, or interest in, the case.
Maybe he was truthful, in a niggling sort of way; the sort of way Bill Clinton denied having had sex with Monica Lewinsky — fellatio isn’t the missionary position after all.
Mitchell should never have been seated on the jury. He did tell the court that he would “love” to be part of the case because it was the “most historic” case of his lifetime.
Jury Selection 101: Never sit a juror who wants to be there — they have a mission.
Jurors ought to be reluctant to take on the responsibility, much like a draftee. Beware the juror who wants to serve, they are like enlistees after 9-11; they want to go out and start shooting.
There are other issues regarding this trial, including one that should result in reversal on appeal: The trial court refused to record sidebar discussions where evidentiary rulings were debated. This failure results in an incomplete record for appeal. Appellate Courts have reversed simply on the grounds that the trial court failed to make such a record.
So why are the feds prosecuting now?
They can’t prove a race-based civil rights violation with competent evidence. This was a sad confrontation with tragic consequences. The simple fact is that had Floyd simply shown his hands and answered a few questions, he’d be alive today. Yes, officers may need better training on how to deal with the intoxicated and impaired. But to say the failings in this case amount to a federal case is ridiculous.
Even so, perhaps the federal charges with lead Judge Cahill in Minnesota conclude that there would be little harm in setting aside the jury’s verdict.
Minnesota wasn’t up to the task of providing a fair trial for Derek Chauvin; perhaps the feds can do so.
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Too busy to read? Fine—I will read for you. Listen as though your soul’s life depends on it, because, in fact it does.
Herewith, Book II of Homer’s Odyssey.
See: LAL #020 for my reading of Book I.
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I’ve a confession: Months go by without my ever turning on the television; I cannot recall the last time I watched cable news. I see the talking heads, and I think Macbeth:
“Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
All the chatter, all the news, the breathless repetition of the obvious, the rendering of half-truths into complete nonsense, and yet the audience, the millions who cannot tear themselves away from the noise. We’re rubbernecking at the catastrophe that has become our common lot.
We can do better. We are living on the capital of a great civilization, drawing down from ancient fonts of wisdom even as we tear at the foundations of what makes our foolish extravagance possible. It’s terrifying.
So what can you do?
Nourish the best within you and within our civilization.
Read the classics, I say. Start with the Bible, or, with Homer.
Aren’t we all Odysseus's son now? “He’s gone, no sign, no word of him; and I inherit trouble and tears …”
Odysseus is a man of many wiles and troubles. Join me as we chart his course.
--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/norm-pattis/support
Big news!
Next week, Law and Legitimacy will conduct its first guest interview! We’ll aim to interview at least one person a week in a long-form format.
If you’d like to be a guest or want to suggest a guest to be interviewed, shoot a note to npattis@pattislaw.com. Put “Law and Legitimacy” in the subject line.
Onward . . .
I’d prefer to have option to be armed. In an era in which police are being defunded, I’m unprepared to trust the streets or those who roam them.
The State of New York's application of its statute requiring individuals seeking a concealed carry permit in order to carry a concealed weapon outside of their home to demonstrate some specified need in order to procure such permit will be reviewed by the United States Supreme Court, in the case of NYS Rifle & Pistol Association v. Corlett.
Under current New York law, a person seeking a concealed carry permit must demonstrate “proper cause,” for issuance. That is, an individual must affirmatively demonstrate a special need for protection.
Does that violate the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms?
In a 2008 case, the Court held that individuals have a personal right to bear arms, and this right requires that they be permitted to have weapons in their homes. This right is grounded in the right to self-defense.
Corlett will seek to extend the right to self-defense outside the home. Do individuals have the right to defend themselves with a firearm when accosted on a city street?
Expect another close call and a bitter debate.
As in Heller, the case recognizing the right to bear arms in our homes, opponents of gun rights will argue that public safety requires limitation of gun owners’ rights. But as Heller held, public policy debates, even the democratic process itself, is limited by the Bill of Rights. Some issues are simply off the table, as it were.
Should gun ownership be?
I can see the Court deciding this case in either direction.
Yes, individuals should have the right to defend themselves outside the home. It’s a simple extension of Heller.
On the other hand, leaving the security of our homes entails certain risks, whether armed or not. Given the toll gun violence takes on our society, keeping guns in the home is a necessary compromise.
What do you think?
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I’ve a confession: Months go by without my ever turning on the television; I cannot recall the last time I watched cable news. I see the talking heads, and I think Macbeth:
“Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
All the chatter, all the news, the breathless repetition of the obvious, the rendering of half-truths into complete nonsense, and yet the audience, the millions who cannot tear themselves away from the noise. We’re rubbernecking at the catastrophe that has become our common lot.
We can do better.
We are living on the capital of a great civilization, drawing down from ancient fonts of wisdom even as we tear at the foundations of what makes our foolish extravagance possible. It is terrifying.
So what can you do?
Nourish the best within you and within our civilization.
Read the classics, I say. Start with the Bible, or, with Homer.
Too busy to read? Lost the patience to pick up a book and lose yourself in it?
All right. I will play along. I will read for you; you need only to listen.
Herewith, Book One of Homer’s Odyssey. Aren’t we all Odysseus's son now? “He’s gone, no sign, no word of him; and I inherit trouble and tears …”
Odysseus a man of many wiles and troubles. Join me as we chart his course.
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Brooklyn prosecutors rushed a prosecution to trial involving alleged “true threats” against federal officials. They did so for political reasons. That should worry everyone who cares about freedom of speech.
Although the first amendment to the United States speaks in terms so clear as to defy confusion — “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech” -- the Courts permit Congress to make such laws all the time.
One such law is a federal statute making it a crime to threaten a United States official.
Perhaps such a law is necessary and good. What is neither necessary nor good, though, is a law so vague in its application that prosecutors are left with a choice about whom to prosecute and when.
In the case of United States v. Brendan Hunt, federal prosecutors rushed a man to trial during a pandemic to make a political point: Violent speech against federal officials will not be tolerated.
Hunt was prosecuted for four social media posts he made from December 2020 through January 8, 2021. He was acquitted for all but one comment, a comment he posted on BitChute on January 8 calling for the assassination of members of Congress.
The rant is troubling, but we live in troubling times. Indeed, Black Lives Matters spokesman appeared on national news last summer threatening to “burn down the system” if they did not get what they want. No one was arrested for those comments, and they shouldn’t have been. Violent speech is as American as apple pie.
Our Supreme Court permits prosecution of true threats. But the legal standard for determining what is and is not a true threat is unclear.
A speaker’s subjective intent is not the standard. Rather, the Court permits a so-called “objective,” or “reasonable person,” standard to be used to evaluate threats.
Transferring the standard for evaluating threats from the individual to the community is dangerous. It holds freedom of speech hostage to a community standard, the very thing the first amendment was intended to prevent.
I am hoping that Mr. Hunt takes an appeal, and I am urging the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse this troubling conviction. I don’t want unctuous prosecutors in Brooklyn determine what I can say, and how I can say it.
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I support the religious exemption to childhood vaccination and I will happily fight for repeal of the law abolishing it in Connecticut.
The law scares me. It should scare you, too. Who gets to decide the goals by which you live your life? Certainly not the state.
Jesus once asked, “What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul?” Socrates similarly opined: “The really important thing is not to live, but to live well.”
This week, Connecticut eliminated the religious exemption to childhood vaccinations. Thus, each and every child starting state or public school henceforth will be required to be vaccinated against certain viruses, regardless of whether their parents object. My office has been retained to seek to repeal this law in state and federal courts. It is a challenge I welcome with open arms.
I don’t deny the efficacy of science. I have been vaccinated. I would recommend to my children that they have my grandchildren vaccinated.
But I respect the right of those who feel differently to follow a different course. I don’t want the state compelling behavior inconsistent with core philosophical or religious beliefs.
Science is the domain of instrumental reason. We accomplish certain things we want to do by means of applied intelligence and technology. Scientific research is a good thing.
But science doesn’t set life’s larger goals.
Science doesn’t answer the core questions that philosophy and religion seek to address: What makes life worth living? What is the nature and destiny of humankind? (I dare not say “man,” no, not in this time of extraordinary commitment to diversity for the sake of diversity.)
Science can do no more than set the minimum conditions for material flourishing in a community. Safe drinking water saves lives and improves health. Great. Vaccinations also save lives. That’s great, too.
But what if science oversteps and seeks to impose standards so focused on the lowest common denominator that our souls are trapped within the steel cages of instrumental reason? Yes, China was effective in fighting COVID-19: if you did not agree to stay sequestered in your home, the state could, and did, weld your door shut, with you in your home. I don ’t want to live that way.
A republic led by virtuous souls is even more terrifying that a society of censors.
None of us get out of here alive. Pretending the state’s goal ought to be to impose the conditions necessary to keep all alive as long as possible sounds noble, but it comes at a chilling cost, the flattening of our spiritual landscape.
I support a parent’s right to raise their children by the best lights available to the parents.
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Police reform is easy. It starts with an act of Congress requiring each and every shooting death case to be heard by a jury. Let the people decide what is and is not reasonable.
We get the government we deserve, but that doesn’t mean we should accept whatever is dished out in the name of justice. When government fails, we the people should have the right to demand reform.
I think meaningful reform in the area of policing starts with the federal judiciary. The fact of the matter is the federal courts have gone a long way toward creating a culture of impunity for police officers.
Don’t get me wrong. I support the police. In the dead of night, I will call 911 every time I need help. And I will be grateful when an officer arrives to render assistance. I’ve spent decades cross-examining police officers in civil and criminal cases. The result is a deep and abiding respect for the risks they take and the heroism it takes to do their work.
But when a police officer kills a civilian, I think juries can and should decide whether the killing was justified — in each and every case. Under current law, federal judges have powerful tools to dismiss these cases before they ever get to a jury. The result is that the public has little chance to learn about policing, and almost no say in crafting the very standards governing the conduct of those who can shoot and kill them in the name of the state.
Police use of force cases are governed by a fourth amendment standard of reasonableness. The fourth amendment is not written in granite, its edges are not hard, firm and immutable. All the amendment prohibits are unreasonable searches and seizures. Such general clauses of the constitution resemble silly putty, more than granite — they stretch and can be twisted and pulled to reflect the constituencies of the communities officers serve.
Let juries decide each and every police shooting case. Eliminate qualified immunity; eliminate pre-trial motions such as summary judgment. When the state kills, legitimacy is at stake.
I don’t want a federal judge, appointed for life, deciding what is and is not reasonable — these men and women live in privileged cocoons, they are employed for life, given marshals to protect them. Privileged umpires ought not to be stretching the strike zone at will.
That is the people’s work.
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Social media companies enjoy the benefit of immunity from suit for the things they publish, thanks to Section 230 of the federal Communications Decency Act.
Known commonly as "Section 230", this federal legislation gives the social media giants enormous competitive advantage over traditional media, who are not granted immunity.
In theory, the grant of immunity was supposed to support freedom of speech. By freeing tech companies from the need to make editorial judgments, information could flow freely.
But as the companies became more powerful, they decided that they weren’t content with mere immunity from suit for what they published; they decided to take a greater role in deciding what to publish at all.
Because they are not governmental entities, their decision to act as censors, to favor some content over others, is not subject to challenge in court. Social media companies can engage in content-based censorship that is intolerable on first amendment grounds when done by governmental agencies.
Consider Facebook’s decision to ban Donald Trump for life after his comments in Washington, D.C., on January 6. The same entity doesn’t ban Black Lives Matter spokespersons, or, for that matter, Rep. Maxine Waters, for engaging in incendiary speech. Why?
The suspicion is that the social media companies have an agenda — advancing their vision of the public good. There’s nothing wrong with that, unless you have control over a public forum. Censorship is control and therefore power.
Facebook has tried to blunt this criticism by creating its own internal court, staffed by lawyers, activists, and others from around the world. Yet this “court” is beholden to no one, and is unaccountable to the American people.
I really don’t want a European academic or human rights activist setting standards for what I can say and read.
There’s a simple solution: require companies who enjoy Section 230 immunity to adhere to first amendment standards when making censorship decisions.
We don’t need secret courts creating new rules; we already have a well-developed and transparent set of legal norms in first amendment law.
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Adam Smith published "Wealth of Nations" in 1776—the same year that Thomas Jefferson composed the Declaration of Independence.
The two events are unrelated, of course, and, of the two works, I suggest that Smith’s has been the more influential.
Smith asserted that an unregulated economy in which each individual were free to pursue their own sense of what was good for them, their utility function, would yield the maximally efficient distribution of goods and services. Smith argued that rather than government regulating the economy, the economy be set free to evolve in response to the sum of individual choices, the so-called “Invisible Hand” would direct the economy.
It was and still is a powerful idea; one at the heart of much of modern economic theory. Where consumers are each said to have their own utility function, we each seek to maximize our satisfaction in the next transaction we make. In a world without Big Data and computers, there simply wasn’t anything as effective as the "Invisible Hand" at maximizing utility.
Does Big Data and Artificial Intelligence ("A.I.") change all of that? And, if so, what happens if somewhere in the Cloud, Big Data, A.I. and Machine Learning, and self-taught algorithms conclude that the maximum utility could be reached without full employment? Might that not explain the rage against the system by such groups as Antifa?
I don’t know the answer. I'm not sure if anyone does.
But the question is one well worth considering. It’s a far more pressing concern than the remote possibility that A.I. will replicate, and perhaps replace, human intelligence. Find me a computer that aches to know why there is a world rather than not and then I will believe there is a truly thinking, and human, thing.
If you are new to the A.I. field and want a concise introduction to the role, promise and peril of A.I., consider reading Steven Shwartz’s brief new book, "Evil Robots, Killer Computers, and Other Myths: The Truth About AI and the Future of Humanity", published just this year by Fast Company Press in New York.
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Recall Harriet Beecher Stowe’s Uncle Tom’s Cabin, written in 1852? It helped galvanize abolitionists in the 1850s.
Even if you’ve not read the book, you’ve no doubt heard the term “Uncle Tom.” It’s an insult leveled against persons of color if they appear to show too tender a regard for the white folks.
Times have changed.
In an era of Black Lives Matter, where largely affluent white folks have taken a loud and vocal leadership role, it’s time to ask whether we ought not to be calling out the Aunt Nancys in our midst — white folk who are the flip side of Uncle Toms, folks becoming obsequious in their efforts to seek the approval of black folks.
The first Aunt Nancy Award goes, of course, to House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who beatified George Floyd, thanking him for his sacrifice for justice.
Pelosi's comments were an extraordinary of nonsense, worthy of little more than ridicule and contempt. George Floyd was hardly an example of what we should want to see on the streets.
Nancy Pelosi, the first winner of the Aunt Nancy Award, becomes the new benchmark for white race pandering.
In a better world, we’d turn to local politics and universal values of the sort written about by St. Augustine to build a better world. Indeed, that path is open to those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Augustine’s Confessions remains an indispensable guide in these troubled times. While the City of Man crumbles under the weight of those eager to rework the world in their own image, we are summoned to realize the limits of the possible, and to seek grace.
The City of God beckons, even in a fallen world.
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The verdict in the Derek Chauvin case was swift and unanimous: guilty on all counts.
I would have acquitted, and, candidly, I think I would have won the case if I tried it, but … Attention now focuses on Mr. Chauvin’s appeal and post-conviction remedies.
He stands an excellent chance of winning a new trial on the basis of the trial courts refusal to grant his request for a change of view.
He tried his case in a fortress before jurors who had every reason to believe that if they did not convict, the luck they enjoyed escaping last summer’s violence at the hand of protestors might run out as to the fire next time. His trial counsel also made a series of decisions that are difficult to understand. Whether they are sound tactical decisions will be determined at a later proceeding challenging his effectiveness as a trial lawyer.
Bottom line: Derek Chauvin faces a lengthy prison sentence.
And his appellate and post-conviction remembers will take years to run their course. In the meantime, what police officer would choose to work in Minneapolis? And, what’s more, who in their right mind would want to live there?
The police department has adopted a “catch and release” policy as to suspects believed to be involved in criminal activity. The homicide rate in the city has alert tripled since last summer’s call to defund the police. Let’s see what the next few years boring.
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U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters traveled from Washington, D.C., to suburban Minnesota last weekend to attend a rally related to the police shooting of Daunte Wright.
She didn't need an investigation to conclude that this was yet more evidence on America's war on men of color. She couldn't sleep, she was so upset.
And she had a message for the jurors in the Derek Chauvin trial: If we don't hear "guilty, guilty, guilty," there's trouble coming. What's that mean, Maxine?
Want evidence that we're rapidly becoming a failed state? Look no further than Mean Maxine. A veteran lawmaker now travels outside her district to engage in incendiary rhetoric during a jury trial. Nice.
Her comments won't get her charged with jury tampering. They weren't that. And they weren't criminal incitement or threatening. She had every right to utter what she did.
But I am as troubled by what she did, indeed, more troubled, than by almost anything that I saw of the January 6, 2021, events in Washington, D.C. Her colleagues in the House should remove her from office for the simple reason that she doesn't share a commitment to common core values, such as the right to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence.
It's time to send this 30-year veteran of Congress packing. But, instead, she'll likely be crowned a woke saint.
Here's her office telephone number in D.C: 202.225.2201.
At a minimum, give her a call and ask her to resign. She won't, but someone needs to rain on this nitwit's parade. It may as well be you.
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The unvarnished truth is that there is a steady rate of police shootings in the United States, roughly 1,000 per year. And, each year, roughly 51 police officers are gunned down in the line of duty.
On balance, when deaths are population adjusted, police officers are more likely to be killed doing their job than they are to be kill.
Policing is dangerous. We are a violent people. We always have been. A nation awash in guns will suffer gun-related deaths.
But there is no evidence to support the notion that police are systemically racist, much less that they are targeting young black males. Transforming each police shooting into a racially charged narrative goes nowhere.
In the past week, six (6) people have been shot to death by police officers. In four of those cases, the decedent was armed with a knife; in one, the decedent was armed with a gun. Only Duante Wright, in Minnesota, appears to have been unarmed.
So what about the shooting of unarmed people?
Since 2015, 168 white males have been shot to death by police; 135 black males have been shot. Yes, people of color are but 13 percent of the population, and therefore were shot at a disproportionate rate. It raises questions that require answers.
But you cannot fairly and sanely look at these numbers and cry "epidemic." So why does The New York Times run columns like Charles Blow's piece today: "Rage is the Only Language I Have Left"? Is such incendiary nonsense making police work more dangerous?
Maybe it's time to scale back the rhetoric and focus on the common obligations of citizenship rather than the rhetoric of racial grievance.
Seriously, Charles? The Old Gray Lady's been kidnapped by hysterics.
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Closing arguments have taken place in the Derek Chauvin murder trial in Minneapolis.
This is the most significant criminal trial in America since John Adams' defense of the British soldiers following the famed Boston Massacre trial in 1770.
The Rule of Law is on trial here.
Do we assess the evidence against Chauvin under the rule of law, or do we let our judgment be moved by the agitation of those who've already made up their minds, and threatened unrest unless there is a conviction?
The whole world is watching, folks chanted last year. And, indeed, it is.
Storefronts are boarded up and the courthouse is fortified. Yet not one of those who took to the streets chanting "No Justice, No Peace," saw what jurors did in this case: the evidence.
I'm rooting for the rule of law in this case, and against the influence of an angry mob. There is nothing quite so frightening and destabilizing as a self-righteous mob.
I've been involved in hundreds of criminal cases and scores of police misconduct cases, including more murders and police use of force cases than I can recall. Based on what I've seen of the trial, I would vote to acquit.
Here's what I would argue had Mr. Chauvin been my case. Of course, the actual argument would be longer, and would refer to exhibits and testimony much more than here.
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When the Supreme Court opened its doors in 1790, there were six (6) justices.
The number of justices changed six times until the 1860s, and has been steady at nine (9) since then. The Constitution does not set the number of justices; Congress gets to do that.
The last time there was a threat to increase the number of justices was when President Franklin Delano Roosevelt threatened to propose legislation to do so in the 1930s because the Court stood in the way of the his vision of a good society—a society in which the federal government would have the right to regulate the economy as we struggled to emerge from a devastating depression.
Before Congress could act, the Court changed course, known as the "switch in time that saved nine," and Roosevelt dropped his court-packing plan. The Court abandoned a doctrine of "substantive due process" that made sacrosanct such things as the right to contract, recognizing the broader imperatives of the collective good.
Congressional Democrats announced a hope to increase the number of justice to thirteen. Why? What vision of the public good makes this necessary?
A new theory of "substantive due process" animates the law now, one which leaves to each the liberty to define their own "conception of the meaning of the universe."
This bizarre notion is every bit as corrosive as the old untrammeled right to contract; a society without a concept of excellence cannot endure. The bonds of community are already fraying under the weight the discordant demands of identitarians. When everything is precious, nothing is valuable.
The burden should be on those who want to make the Court to do what Roosevelt did: Tell us what vision of the good society requires such a change. Odds are, they can't do it.
Until they do, nine will do, thank you.
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Don't get me wrong—I'm all in favor of vaccinations. But I hate the idea of vaccine passports.
Once we get accustomed to limiting access to public places, and goods and services, based on compliance with public directives about what's good for us, there's no telling where it will end.
China uses a social scoring method to ration access to goods and services. Will we have "woke" ID cards to help allocate goods and services?
A republic of virtuous people tends toward totalitarianism. Dissenters or contrarians can be compelled to do things the virtuous demand they do. Do you want a centralized version of the good life crammed down on your community?
Just this week, Joe Biden declared gun regulation an emergency; the CDC called racism a public health threat.
Should we use the vast new powers the states have asserted in response to the COVID-19 pandemic to respond to these emergencies, too?
Where's it end?
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Derek Chauvin is sure to be convicted, right? I mean, isn't that what the press coverage says?
Don't rely on the press.
I've had plenty of cases that were widely reported as they were conducted. I used to read the coverage. It felt like I was getting access to the thirteenth juror. Win the case in the press and you're all set, right?
Wrong.
More often than not, I didn't recognize the trial in the reporting. Reporters capture what catches their attention. No more.
Trial by sound byte doesn't win cases. Persuading the twelve jurors in the jury box does. There is no way to tell from press coverage what jurors are seeing.
Chauvin's team should hammer the the following theme: What should police have done when they responded to the call regarding a counterfeit $20 and were confronted with an irrational man? At what point should they have just walked away, concluding George Floyd was simply too much trouble? Do we want to declare that "catch and release" law enforcement is the new normal? We can.
And what about the drug dealer who pleaded the Fifth Amendment rather than testify? The judge wouldn't let the dealer do it in the jury's presence. But doesn't the Defense have a right to compel witnesses to testify? If the State wouldn't grant immunity to the witness, why can't the Defense compel immunity?
The State is playing hide-the-ball with the truth. Welcome to the heinous crime exception to the bill of rights.
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Query: What scares you more? Speech you can ignore, or the censor who decides what you can see?
The United States Supreme Court rejected a petition we filed on behalf of Alex Jones of Infowars on April 5, 2021.
It signals yet again that the Court is ripe to consider recognizing a hate speech exception to the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech.
When Mr. Jones offered a reward on his widely broadcast show "Infowars" for the identity of the person or persons who sent his studio child pornography via the Internet, he raised a question about whether counsel opposing him in litigation were involved. He never accused anyone of sending the material. His speech was angry and emotional.
The plaintiff's lawyers ran to the trial court asking for sanctions. The court obliged, refusing to hear Mr. Jones's motion to dismiss the lawsuit. When Mr. Jones took an appeal of that ruling to the State Supreme Court, that court upheld the trial court, deciding the case on issues never briefed by the parties.
Mr. Jones turned to the U.S. Supreme Court for relief.
At issue was the following: Can a judge in a case involving a party to civil litigation sanction the litigant for speech that violates no law or court order?
The answer should have been simple: No court can abridge freedom of speech. Mr. Jones threatened no one, incited no one to violence, engaged in no fighting words, defamation or criminal conduct.
This shocking lack of action by the U.S. Supreme Court suggests that the Court is wiling to permit silencing unpopular voices saying unpopular things.
This podcast discusses how the Court might construct a hate speech exception to freedom of speech.
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The reparations bandwagon is gathering steam.
Are you ready to pay race-based transfer payments or to allocate public goods on the basis of race? What about equal protection of the law?
The Age of Reparations is upon us. More than 150 years after the abolition of slavery, a century after the dismantling of Jim Crow, and 60 years after comprehensive state and federal civil rights legislation was passed in the United States, we are now told it's time to pay people of color for the sins of our fathers.
My immigrant parents arrived long after the drama of slavery ended. No one gave them anything on account of their skin color.
I am just not buying the reparations rhetoric. Neither should you.
What do you say we try to amend the Constitution to make sure it never happens?
Think it cannot? Recent events suggest otherwise. Evanston, Illinois, passed an ordinance to permit race-based housing assistance grants. State legislators in California and New York are studying reparations. On April 2nd, Vermont announced that access to COVID-19 vaccines can be restricted on the basis of race.
If you are white and object, you are labelled a white supremacist.
Reject the narrative. Equality before the law means just that.
As Chief Justice John Roberts put it in the context of a school desecration case: "The only way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."
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After two days of trial in the Derek Chauvin case, folks kept asking me: What's going on? Why isn't the defense objecting to the "expert" testimony of the mixed martial arts (MMA) fact witness, Donald Wynn Williams?
I explore trial strategy and tactics in this podcast. I won't pretend to know what is on the mind of Derek Chauvin's lead counsel, Eric Nelson. But I will say this: Nelson is a pro. Odds are, he's letting the state set a scene that helps provide further support for the argument that, given the totality of the circumstances, the police officers behaved reasonably in the moments before George Floyd's death.
How so?
An angry crowd was gathering as Chauvin leaned on Floyd using a technique he had been trained to use. Does Chauvin look distracted and inattentive to Floyd? Perhaps he had a wary eye on a gathering mob chanting things like "bum" and "tough guy" at the officers. Williams testified he watched what he thought was a murder, but it didn't anger him. Jurors could rightly regard the witness less than objective.
I also discuss the video most folks who talk about the trial haven't bothered to watch and which, once the jury watches it, will likely settle the case—it's the full 45-minute recording of the police encounter with Floyd. Watch it. Then ask yourself, what, exactly, should officers have done with Floyd?
The prosecution set itself a high burden—proving unreasonable force. I doubt they can do it, unless the jury, barricaded in a courthouse and no doubt aware of hijinks on the courthouse steps, compromises and gives those who have not seen all the evidence a little something for their outrage.
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The truth is that I have issues with authority, and I am a contrarian.
That's why I write about law and legitimacy; it's also why I represent unpopular people. I suspect I'd do the same thing in paradise, should I ever get there.
In this episode I peel back the curtain and give you a glimpse of why these issues are so important to me. This is a deeply personal and revealing piece, and I doubt I could have done it without the benefit of a decade or more of psychoanalysis.
Yes, I spend four hours a week on the couch, asking why this, rather than that. As I like to joke, I put the psycho in psychoanalysis. I recommend that anyone dealing with other people's troubles get into analysis. It is a lifeline that will help you dive deeply into the well of another's sorrow without being swallowed whole by it.
If personal stuff offends you, skip this one. If you want to know what forces help forge the lens I bring to bear on the topics I talk about here and that I write about on my blog page, pattisblog.com, then give it a listen.
Thanks for stopping by. And, yes, I did crash my father's funeral. He didn't want me to attend, you see...
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Focus on the Causation.
Did police officers actually cause the death of Mr. Floyd? If so, how? And if officers did, were their actions justified?
No one has been charged with intentional homicide here. The legally significant questions are what did Mr. Chauvin know and when did he know it?
Mr. Floyd was complaining that he couldn't breathe long before Mr. Chauvin kneeled on him. Don't be surprised if Mr. Chauvin is acquitted once a jury hears all the evidence. At worst, expect a compromise verdict and a conviction on third-degree murder.
This was never a case about "systemic racism" and police "murder" of men of color. That's just propaganda and sound bytes on the evening news.
The evidence will reveal an ordinary police encounter with tragic consequences. We might want to change the law of policing, but, under current law, I'd be surprised to see a conviction.
Listen up and learn why.
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Do you ever wonder about the difference between a police officer and a gang member?
Both might be armed with a gun. Both can ask for your wallet.
Odds are, you will give your wallet to both but feel differently about the reasons for compliance.
The small difference between complying out of fear and complying out of a sense of duty is Legitimacy. LAL #001 introduces the concept of Legitimacy and what German sociologist, Max Weber, had to say about it.
I'm persuaded we are living in a time of a crisis in legitimacy in the United States. We are teetering on the edge of a failed state. How do we develop a common vocabulary to discuss our interests, hopes and dreams?
I'll podcast on Law, Legitimacy and the thousand-and-one things that go bump in the night.
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