Stories from the Field: Demystifying Wilderness Therapy: Recent Episodes
Will White
Stories from the field is dedicated to demystifying wilderness therapy and is hosted by Dr. Will White. In this podcast Will interviews various wilderness therapy researchers, program founders, writers, executive directors, guide staff, clinicians, critics and more. He educates the listener to the long history of the field and different trends related to this evolving treatment option.
Will has worked in the wilderness therapy field for over 30 years and co-founded Summit Achievement (a wilderness therapy program) located in Maine in the 1990's. He wrote the book, "Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy" and his doctoral dissertation traced the history of the field and is titled, “Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy”.
What does it truly mean to practice ecotherapy? In this episode Will welcomes ecotherapist and founder of Natureza Therapy and Natureza Coaching Collective, Laura Marques Brown, for a thought-provoking conversation about the evolving field of nature-based mental health. Laura shares her journey as the daughter of Brazilian immigrants, how her search for belonging led her into the mountains of Colorado and graduate training at Naropa University, and why she believes nature became the one place where she never had to hide who she was. Together, they explore the foundations of her work in decolonized ecotherapy, her framework of Land, Lineage, and Liberation, and how reconnecting with the natural world can help people heal trauma, restore belonging, and rediscover their relationship with the living world.
The conversation also examines some of today's biggest challenges facing therapists and mental health professionals, including burnout, the mental health impacts of climate change and social instability, and what Laura describes as our current polycrisis. She explains why nature should be understood as a relationship rather than resource, discusses building sustainable private practices that support both clinicians and clients, and offers practical ways anyone can begin reconnecting with the outdoors. Whether you're a therapist interested in ecotherapy training, a mental health professional seeking a more holistic approach to healing, or someone curious about the intersection of psychology, nature, mindfulness, and environmental wellbeing, this episode offers a compelling vision for the future of nature-based therapy and mental health.
This podcast is supported by the White Mountain Adventure Institute (WMAI.org), where Dr. Will White helps individuals, leaders, and organizations navigate growth, change, and life transitions through coaching, consulting, and retreats.
Guest information:
Laura's Website: https://naturezacoachingcollective.com/ *People can book a free discovery call if they are interested in her programs and ready for change
Instagram: naturezacoachingcollective
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/rootedpractitionercollective *free resources, trainings and community of liberated therapists!
What happens after a young person returns home from wilderness therapy or residential treatment and begins to struggle? In this episode, Will sits down with Charles Elias, founder of PRN for Families, to explore an innovative model that brings mental health treatment directly into the home. Drawing on more than four decades in behavioral healthcare, Charles explains why lasting change requires working with the entire family, how home-based wraparound services strengthen the transition from higher levels of care, and why family preservation may represent the future of behavioral healthcare.
Charles also shares his remarkable journey from England to Colorado, his years as a wilderness therapist at SUWS, his service as a U.S. Navy Corpsman during the Iraq War, and how those experiences shaped his approach to helping families in crisis. Together, Will and Charles discuss the evolution of wilderness therapy, the power of family systems, resilience, and why innovation in behavioral healthcare increasingly means helping families heal where they live.
This podcast is supported by the White Mountain Adventure Institute (WMAI.org), where Dr. Will White helps individuals, leaders, and organizations navigate growth, change, and life transitions through coaching, consulting, and retreats.
Can outdoor behavioral healthcare (aka wilderness therapy) evolve beyond crisis intervention and become a model for prevention, community, and long-term wellbeing? In this episode Will welcomes Chris Brown and Danny Frazer to explore how LifeWays is redefining Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare (OBH) through an innovative blend of nature-based therapy, therapeutic guiding, outpatient mental health services, community partnerships, and wilderness experiences. Rather than waiting until individuals reach a mental health crisis, LifeWays is helping children, adolescents, adults, and families access the healing power of nature earlier through prevention, early intervention, and relationship-centered care.
Chris and Danny discuss the lessons they carried forward from their years at Open Sky Wilderness Therapy and how those experiences inspired a more accessible and sustainable model for the future of Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare. They share how LifeWays combines grant-funded community programs, insurance-based outpatient therapy, Wilderness Mental Health First Aid training, and therapeutic outdoor adventures to expand access to care while maintaining the transformational power of nature. Whether you're a mental health professional, educator, outdoor leader, parent, or simply interested in the future of wilderness therapy, nature-based mental health, outdoor behavioral healthcare, and preventive mental health care, this conversation offers an inspiring look at where the field may be headed next.
This podcast is supported by the White Mountain Adventure Institute (WMAI.org), where Dr. Will White helps individuals, leaders, and organizations navigate growth, change, and life transitions through coaching, consulting, and retreats.
Both guests have previously been featured in as individual episode mentioned in episode:
Episode 284: Nature-Based Mental Health: The Lifeways Approach
Episode 252: After Open Sky: How Danny Frazer is Shaping the Future with Gain the Ridge
Can psychotherapy become more effective when it moves beyond the therapy office? In this episode, Will sits down with Atlanta psychotherapist Josh Wayne, LMSW, MPH, to explore nature-based psychotherapy and walk-and-talk therapy. Before becoming a therapist, Josh spent more than fifteen years as a naturalist, teaching people about wild plants, mushrooms, and ecology. Today, he integrates those experiences into his private practice, helping clients facing anxiety, grief, depression, chronic illness, and life transitions reconnect with themselves through meaningful experiences outdoors.
Josh also shares how his background in public health, foraging, and ecology has shaped his approach to mental health, along with insights into green burial, the connection between physical and emotional wellbeing, and why the natural world can become an important partner in healing. Whether you're a therapist, mental health professional, graduate student, or someone curious about outdoor therapy, ecotherapy, and the relationship between nature and mental health, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on what lies beyond the therapy office.
This podcast is supported by the White Mountain Adventure Institute (WMAI.org), where Dr. Will White helps individuals, leaders, and organizations navigate growth, change, and life transitions through coaching, consulting, and retreats.
What happens when a neurodiverse young adult isn't ready for college or independent living—but has outgrown living at home? In this episode, Will sits down with David Chandler, Program Director at Intrepid Young Adults in Asheville, North Carolina, to explore how experiential therapy helps young adults with autism, ADHD, executive functioning challenges, anxiety, and other forms of neurodiversity develop the skills needed for adulthood. David explains how individualized coaching, community living, employment, and real-world experiences help young adults build confidence, purpose, relationships, and greater independence.
David also shares his journey from psychiatric care to wilderness therapy at SUWS of the Carolinas before helping launch Intrepid Young Adults. Together, Will and David discuss why so many young adults struggle to transition into adulthood, the impact of COVID, technology, AI, and changing family dynamics, and why experiential learning remains a powerful approach to mental health treatment. Whether you're a parent, therapist, educational consultant, or professional working with neurodiverse young adults, this episode offers practical insights into helping young people move beyond "failure to launch" and toward meaningful, independent lives.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching facilitated by Will White.
What is a therapeutic boarding school, and how can it help teenagers facing anxiety, depression, trauma, school refusal, and other mental health challenges? In this episode Will sits down with Peter Chorney, Executive Director of Grove School, one of the nation's oldest therapeutic boarding schools. Peter shares how Grove School has spent more than 92 years evolving its approach to residential treatment, combining academics, clinical care, family involvement, creative arts, and outdoor experiences to help teenagers build resilience, confidence, and hope.
Peter also reflects on growing up on the Grove School campus, following in the footsteps of his father Richard Chorney, and leading a therapeutic boarding school through a rapidly changing mental health landscape. Together, Will and Peter discuss why family engagement is essential to successful treatment, how today's adolescents are arriving with greater levels of trauma and isolation than ever before, and why connection, community, and time in nature continue to play a vital role in helping teens and families heal. Whether you're a parent exploring residential treatment, a mental health professional, or simply interested in the evolution of therapeutic schools, this episode offers an inside look at one of the field's longest-standing and most respected programs.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching facilitated by Will White.
Can spending time with trees become a pathway to healing? In this episode Will sits down with Regan Stacey, founder of the Forest Therapy School, to explore the growing practice of forest therapy and why so many people are turning to nature as part of their mental health and wellness journey. Regan shares the deeply personal story of how a life-changing cancer diagnosis, the loss of her brother, and profound experiences in the forest inspired her to dedicate her life to helping others reconnect with the natural world.
Together they discuss what forest therapy actually is, how it differs from hiking or traditional psychotherapy, the research behind the health benefits of spending time among trees, and why slowing down may be one of the most powerful practices available in today's fast-paced world. Regan also explains how the Forest Therapy School trains guides around the world and shares moving stories of transformation that illustrate how mindfulness, nature connection, and intentional presence can help people rediscover resilience, belonging, and hope. Whether you're a mental health professional, outdoor practitioner, or simply someone seeking a deeper relationship with nature, this conversation offers an inspiring look at one of the fastest-growing approaches in outdoor wellbeing.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching facilitated by Will White.
Can meeting the Dalai Lama influence a young person's mental health and well-being? In this episode, Will White sits down with Ryan McGinty, Executive Director of Red Mountain Sedona, to discuss an extraordinary journey that took young adults, families, and staff from Arizona to Dharamsala, India, where they met His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Ryan shares how the idea for the trip emerged through meditation, the challenges of organizing international travel during a time of global uncertainty, and why mindfulness, compassion, and non-attachment became essential lessons long before the group ever boarded a plane.
The conversation also explores how mindfulness meditation is integrated into young adult treatment, why inner peace may be one of the most overlooked components of mental health, and how Ryan's own recovery journey led him into behavioral healthcare. Together, Will and Ryan discuss leadership, experiential learning, the healing power of community, and what happens when ancient contemplative practices meet modern mental health treatment. Whether you're a clinician, parent, educator, or simply interested in mindfulness, meditation, and the future of young adult behavioral health, this episode offers an inspiring look at healing through presence, compassion, and human connection.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching facilitated by Will White.
What happens when a therapist who has spent years working with autistic individuals suddenly becomes the parent of an autistic child? In this episode Will talks with Damon Bryan, co-founder of Autism Outdoors Utah, about how his son's autism diagnosis transformed both his personal life and his clinical perspective. Damon shares his journey from outdoor and residential mental health programs to creating a nonprofit that helps autistic individuals and their families experience the outdoors through hiking, rafting, paddleboarding, family retreats, and community events.
Together, Will and Damon explore what it means to provide autism-affirming care, why traditional mental health services often overlook the importance of community and family connection, and how time in nature can support emotional regulation, confidence, and belonging. Whether you're a parent raising an autistic child, a mental health professional, educator, occupational therapist, or someone interested in outdoor therapy and neurodiversity, this conversation offers practical insights and an inspiring vision for how nature can become a powerful partner in supporting autistic individuals and the families who love them.
Check out Autism Outdoors Utah Website.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching facilitated by Will White.
How does a program built around relationships, adventure, and the outdoors evolve over ten years while staying true to its mission? In this episode, Will sits down with Foster Post, co-founder of Confluence Behavioral Health, as the Vermont-based program celebrates its 10th anniversary. Foster shares his journey into outdoor mental health treatment and reflects on the lessons learned from building a small, owner-operated program during a time of unprecedented change. From its early years featuring multi-day wilderness expeditions to its current model serving young adults through residential treatment, adventure-based programming, and community engagement, Confluence has continually adapted while staying true to its core belief in the healing power of relationships and the outdoors.
Foster and Will also explore the changing needs of young adults, including rising anxiety, social isolation, self-doubt, and the impact of technology on mental health. Together, they discuss how outdoor behavioral healthcare is evolving, why community and experiential learning remain essential for growth, and what the future may hold for nature-based treatment programs. This conversation offers valuable insights for parents, clinicians, educational consultants, and anyone interested in young adult mental health, outdoor therapy, and the future of behavioral healthcare.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching facilitated by Will White.
What happens when a generation grows up more connected to screens than to the natural world? In this episode, Will sits down with outdoor educator and Wildward Institute founder Scott Shepherd to explore the growing disconnect between young people, nature, and one another. Drawing from more than 15 years of experience in outdoor, environmental, and experiential education, Scott explains why time outside is no longer just recreation—it has become an essential component of mental health, emotional regulation, resilience, and healthy youth development.
Scott shares his own transformative journey sailing around the world as a teenager, discusses the challenges facing outdoor education today, and examines how screens, overprogrammed childhoods, and reduced opportunities for unstructured play are impacting young people. Together, Will and Scott explore the role of nature in supporting neurodiverse youth, building self-confidence, fostering environmental stewardship, and helping young people develop the skills they need to thrive in an uncertain future. This conversation is a powerful reminder that connecting youth to the outdoors may be one of the most important mental health interventions of our time.
Here is the Wilderward Institute Website.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
What if wilderness therapy has been helping people heal for a long time—but the field never fully understood why it works? In this episode Will sits down with Rob Meltzer, founder of the new Wilderness Therapy Institute. Rob explains why he believes wilderness therapy may function as a form of "metabolic health treatment" and shares groundbreaking efforts to study how sleep, movement, sunlight, nutrition, circadian rhythm, inflammation, and extended time in nature impact mental health. The conversation explores emerging research in metabolic psychiatry, biological mechanisms of healing, and why wilderness experiences may create profound psychological and physiological change.
At the same time, this episode does not avoid the field's controversies. Rob and Will examine critical questions surrounding authority, transport practices, ethical intervention, trauma, and the evolving identity of wilderness therapy in a post-"Hell Camp" era. Rob argues that the field must improve without losing its core foundations: extended wilderness immersion, primitive living, deep human connection, and nature-based healing. This episode will resonate with therapists, researchers, parents, former students, outdoor professionals, and anyone questioning both the promise and the problems of wilderness therapy today.
Wilderness Therapy Institute Webpage:
Rob was featured in pervious episodes:
Episode 5: Rob Meltzer, educational consultant and founder of the wilderness therapy symposium
201: Celebrating 20 Years of Wilderness Therapy Symposium
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
What happens when a clinician decides that traditional residential treatment isn't enough for adolescent girls struggling with trauma? In this episode Will talks with Kami Black, founder of ROOTs Transition in Park City. Founded during the uncertainty of the COVID pandemic, ROOTs Transition was built around a bold idea: combine the healing power of nature, intensive family systems work, and trauma-informed residential care into one integrated model for adolescent girls ages 15–18. Kami shares how her own experiences, years in residential treatment, and deep commitment to trauma work shaped a program focused not just on behaviors like anxiety, eating disorders, substance use, and depression—but on the underlying developmental and relational trauma driving them.
Throughout the conversation, Kami offers a thoughtful and nuanced look at how trauma actually develops in young people and why many traditional behavioral approaches can miss the deeper issues. She explains ROOTs' emphasis on family engagement, outdoor integration, emotional regulation, and helping girls reconnect with themselves in a culture increasingly shaped by social media pressure, comparison, and disconnection. This episode is especially valuable for parents, clinicians, educational consultants, and anyone interested in innovative approaches to helping adolescent girls heal from trauma while building resilience, self-worth, and healthier relationships.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
Thirty years later… What happens when one of the earliest outdoor behavioral healthcare programs refuses to follow the trends of the field?
In this episode Will sits down with CEO Nichol Ernst to reflect on the 30-year evolution of Summit Achievement — a program Will co-founded in 1996. Together, they explore how Summit survived massive shifts in the wilderness therapy world: the rise and fall of therapeutic boarding schools, the influx of venture capital into behavioral healthcare, the smartphone era, COVID, and growing public controversy surrounding outdoor treatment. Rather than chasing trends, Summit doubled down on a model blending accredited academics, family therapy, and adventure-based treatment in the outdoors.
Nichol also shares his own journey from Summit field guide to clinical social worker and CEO, while discussing why the program doesn't use transport services, how family involvement became central to treatment, and why today's adolescents are struggling with anxiety, school refusal, technology addiction, and uncertainty in ways previous generations did not. This conversation is part history lesson, part reflection on leadership, and part exploration of what ethical, relationship-based outdoor mental health treatment may still offer in a rapidly changing world.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
What happens when a field built on healing becomes shaped by money? In this episode, Will revisits a 2020 exploration of the business of wilderness therapy—tracing its evolution from nonprofit, mission-driven roots to a rapidly expanding, privately funded industry. From early non-profits programs to the rise of private-pay models in the 1980s and the explosive growth fueled by outside investment, this episode examines how financial forces didn't just support wilderness therapy—they fundamentally shaped its direction, priorities, and structure.
And what happens when that money leaves? In a candid reflection recorded in 2026, Will revisits his earlier assumptions and confronts what's changed: the collapse of programs tied to venture capital, the shrinking of industry organizations, and the loss of research funding that once legitimized the field. As closures in recent years have come faster and more abruptly than in past downturns, this episode asks a difficult question—can a field rooted in care and connection survive the realities of a risk-averse, profit-driven system?
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
How did wilderness therapy become outdoor behavioral healthcare—and who made that shift possible? In this re-released and historically significant episode Will sits down with Dr. Madolyn Liebing, widely considered the first licensed mental health professional to work in a primitive skills wilderness therapy program. As a co-founder of Aspen Achievement Academy in 1988, Dr. Liebing helped transform early outdoor programs from survival-based experiences into clinically grounded treatment—introducing psychological assessments, treatment planning, and family systems work into the wilderness.
In this powerful conversation, Dr. Liebing shares her journey from high school counselor to trailblazing psychologist, her role in shaping Utah's first wilderness therapy licensing standards, and her perspective on how the field has evolved over decades. She reflects on the integration of trauma work, attachment theory, and family therapy in outdoor settings at Legacy Outdoor Adventures—and why the combination of clinical sophistication and immersive nature experiences remains so effective today. For anyone interested in the history, ethics, and future of wilderness therapy, this episode is essential listening.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
Who really built wilderness therapy—and how did a lawyer with no formal clinical training help shape one of the most influential models in outdoor mental health treatment? In this episode Will revisits a powerful 2019 interview with L. Jay Mitchell, founder of SUWS (School of Urban and Wilderness Survival). Mitchell shares his unlikely path—from a difficult adolescence and early inspiration from Kurt Hahn, to law school, military service as a JAG attorney, and ultimately creating one of the first wilderness therapy programs in the United States. This episode explores the early roots of wilderness therapy, including its connections to Outward Bound, anthropology, and experiential learning long before the field became clinically driven.
Mitchell offers candid and at times provocative reflections on what actually creates change in young people—challenging traditional mental health treatment models and questioning the role of clinicians in wilderness therapy's evolution. He recounts the founding of SUWS in the early 1980s, the program's early success without licensed therapists, and the deeper elements that made it effective: relationships, environment, challenge, and purpose. The conversation also traces his later innovations, including Aldredge Academy's rite-of-passage model and his concerns about the future of the industry as it becomes more clinical and profit-driven. For anyone interested in the history of wilderness therapy, outdoor behavioral healthcare, and alternative approaches to mental health treatment, this episode offers a rare and essential perspective from one of the field's original pioneers.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
Wilderness therapy didn't start with therapists—it evolved with the help of an ex-con who found his heart of service to others in recovery.
In this episode Will shares the powerful story of Larry Wells—an early pioneer whose lived experience shaped the foundations of early wilderness therapy programs. From his teenage years in jail to his exposure to the outdoors in a federal prison camp, Larry's journey reveals how connection, purpose, and challenge became the roots of a new approach to helping struggling young people through the outdoors.
Through the creation of Expedition Outreach in the 1970's, his work with VisionQuest, SUWS, and others, and then later the founding of Wilderness Quest, Larry helped define the early models of wilderness therapy—often learning through trial and error in real time. This episode explores the evolution of his philosophy from pushing people to their limits toward building connection, safety, and recovery through experiential work in the outdoors. For those in the field—and anyone on a path of recovery—this is a story about how wilderness therapy evolved, what it got right, what it got wrong, and what still matters most.
Mentioned in this episode:
2019 interview on this podcast with Larry Wells's Daughter- Angela Wells Starnes
Link to doctoral dissertation with Larry Wells Interview Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy
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How did wilderness therapy survive the crises of the early 1990s — and why did some of its earliest leaders continue to believe in the work even as the field faced national criticism? In this episode of Stories from the Field we hear a rare 2008 interview with wilderness therapy pioneer Larry Dean Olsen and his former student and colleague Ezekiel Sanchez. They reflect on Larry's survival courses at Brigham Young University in the late 1960s, where struggling students often returned from wilderness expeditions with new confidence and direction — experiences that helped lead to the founding of the Anasazi Foundation, one of the longest continuously operating wilderness therapy programs in the United States.
The conversation also explores the rapid growth of wilderness programs in the 1980s and many of them springing from former students of BYU's survival course, including the development of Challenger Foundation and SUWS, and the intense scrutiny that followed several highly publicized deaths in the early 1990s. Larry speaks candidly about defending the field during that time, arguing that while some programs failed, the core idea — that challenge, responsibility, and time in the natural world can help young people change — remained sound. This episode offers a rare firsthand account from two of the elders of the field.
To read the dissertation mentioned in the episode it is available on line- Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy
I want to thank the Olsen family, Ezekiel Sanchez and Anasazi for letting me share these stories over the years.
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How and why did wilderness therapy ignite in the American West? In this episode of Stories from the Field Will explores the life and influence of Larry Dean Olsen, one of the key figures behind the primitive skills model used in many wilderness therapy programs. Through his work at Brigham Young University, including the well-known BYU 480 survival course, Olsen showed that powerful personal change could happen when modern comforts were removed and people were challenged to depend on themselves, the group, and the natural world.
This episode looks at Olsen's book Outdoor Survival Skills, his work as a consultant on the film Jeremiah Johnson, his role in the development of early wilderness programs like SUWS, and his co-founding of the Anasazi Foundation and how his philosophy helped shape modern outdoor behavioral healthcare. Often called the father of primitive survival education, Olsen believed change comes through experience, simplicity, and responsibility.
This is Part 1 of a two-part series. In the next episode, Will shares a rare interview with Larry Dean Olsen and the other co-founder of Anasazi Foundation, Ezekiel Sanchez.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
To read more about Larry Dean Olsen and the early years of wilderness therapy read Will's doctoral dissertation: Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy
To listen to an episode mentioned in this podcast how SUWS was founded.
Outward Bound is not about therapy. It began during World War II as a response to a fear that young sailors were not resilient enough to survive the sinking of their ships. Founded to build endurance, discipline, and leadership under extreme adversity, Outward Bound introduced the expeditionary model — challenge, crew, service, and solo — long before those elements became staples of wilderness therapy programs.
In this episode of Stories from the Field, Will traces the history of Outward Bound from Kurt Hahn's philosophy and exile from Nazi Germany to the rise of Outward Bound USA and its lasting influence on modern wilderness therapy. Along the way, we explore early research with adjudicated youth, partnerships with mental health institutions, and the professionalization of outdoor leadership through figures like Paul Petzoldt and the founding of NOLS. If you want to understand the origins of wilderness therapy and outdoor behavioral healthcare, you must understand Outward Bound.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
What happened to the hundreds of therapeutic camps that once shaped mental health treatment for young people in the outdoors? Long before the term "wilderness therapy" was coined, therapeutic camps were considered cutting-edge mental health treatment for young people. Backed by major hospitals, staffed by psychiatrists and social workers, and rooted in reform movements of the early 20th century, these camps believed nature, group living, and responsibility could reshape a young life. In this episode, Will traces the evolution of therapeutic camps—from Camp Ramapo and Camp Wediko's clinically sophisticated summer programs to the long-term wilderness model pioneered by the Dallas Salesmanship Club Camp. These programs laid the groundwork for modern outdoor behavioral healthcare long before Outward Bound or the primitive survival skills model ever existed.
But over time, many therapeutic camps faded. Some evolved. Others closed quietly. And some collapsed under scandal and broken trust—most notably Anneewakee, one of the most controversial long-term therapeutic camps in American history. What can today's outdoor behavioral health programs learn from this rise and fall? This episode offers a deeply researched historical exploration of innovation, ethics, accountability, and the enduring DNA of therapeutic camps that still shapes wilderness therapy today.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
In a moment when wilderness therapy is often framed as either a miracle or a menace, what gets lost when we stop listening for the full human story? In this special episode of Stories from the Field Will is joined by filmmakers Vince Dixon and Mark Strauss, the directors of the upcoming film Forest Through the Trees: The Truth About Wilderness Therapy. Will is also serving as a one of the producers on the project. Together, they explore what drew Vince and Mark to wilderness therapy as a subject, how their assumptions have been challenged through a year of research and interviews, and why the field cannot be understood through a single narrative shaped by headlines or popular media alone. A clear theme emerges: wilderness therapy is not a single model or idea, but a diverse and evolving field that resists simple labels of "good" or "bad."
The conversation explores what it takes to tell a responsible story in a deeply polarized landscape. As directors, Vince and Mark outline their commitment to ethical, balanced storytelling—actively seeking out critical voices alongside positive outcomes, examining cost, access, safety, and history, and responding thoughtfully to the cultural impact of films like Hell Camp: Teen Nightmare. As a producer on the film, Will reflects on why this kind of nuanced storytelling matters right now: not to defend or condemn the field, but to expand understanding, foster empathy, and help listeners grasp why families turn to wilderness therapy when they feel out of options—while honoring the real complexity and controversy surrounding outdoor mental health care.
To learn more about the documentary check out the website: https://www.wildernessdocumentary.com/
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
How do you live well, stay engaged, and protect your mental health when the future of the planet feels so uncertain? Listen to this episode of Stories from the Field where our host Will White is joined by Dr. Thomas Doherty—psychologist, ecopsychologist, and author of Surviving Climate Anxiety—for a grounded conversation about eco-anxiety as a normal, values-driven response to climate change rather than a disorder to eliminate. Thomas reframes climate anxiety as a signal of care and connection, and introduces practical ways to regulate the nervous system, make meaning, and stay psychologically resilient without denying reality.
Designed for both individuals struggling with climate anxiety and mental health professionals who work with anxiety and grief, this episode explores how time outdoors can become genuinely healing, how to avoid becoming a "climate hostage," and how to move toward what Thomas calls ethical happiness—living with purpose, connection, and integrity in a rapidly changing world.
Links to Dr. Thomas Doherty's book, practive page and podcast below:
Surviving Climate Anxiety book: thomasdoherty.com
Climate Change and Happiness podcast: https://climatechangeandhappiness.com/
Recent Book Reading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4UbgoO3I3M
Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=92NarLYAAAAJ&view_op=list_works
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Wilderness therapy isn't dying. It's growing.
In this milestone 300th episode of Stories from the Field, host Dr. Will White sits down with guest host Jake Weld to reflect on nearly a decade of conversations exploring wilderness therapy, outdoor behavioral healthcare, and the evolving relationship between mental health and the outdoors. Drawing from hundreds of interviews, download data, and personal experience, Will examines why episodes centered on controversy, trauma, and program closures continue to draw the most attention—and what those patterns reveal about public perception of the field.
But this episode isn't an obituary. It's a reassessment. Will argues that while traditional long-term wilderness programs for adolescents have narrowed, outdoor mental health is quietly expanding through outpatient care, coaching, retreats, community-based models, and new hybrid approaches. Episode 300 offers a rare long-view perspective on how definitions, power, and practice have shifted—and why reports of wilderness therapy's demise may be missing the bigger story.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
What do Outward Bound and many wilderness therapy programs have in common? Their shared roots trace back to a movement that believed the outdoors wasn't just a place to learn skills, but a place to shape moral character, spiritual values, and a young person's sense of purpose. In Part 2 of this series, Stories from the Field host Will White continues his historical exploration of the influence of the Boy Scouts of America on the early development of many wilderness therapy programs.
Drawing on research from his doctoral dissertation, his book, and hundreds of podcast interviews, Will traces how Scouting's emphasis on outdoor living, moral formation, spiritual belief, and structured authority shaped the cultural assumptions that later informed outdoor education and wilderness therapy models. The episode also acknowledges the tensions, exclusions, and harms that emerged over time, offering listeners deeper context for where the field came from—and why it has continued to evolve.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
How did an early twentieth-century psychiatric institution help shape what would later become wilderness therapy?
In this episode, our host Dr. Will White continues Season 26's exploration of a history of wilderness therapy by examining a little-known moment from 1901 at the New York Hospital for the Insane on Ward's Island. During a tuberculosis outbreak, hospital administrators moved psychiatric patients into tents on the hospital grounds as a public-health measure—an intervention never intended to be therapeutic. What followed surprised staff: patients living outdoors showed notable psychological and physical improvement.
Drawing on historical research and overlooked accounts of early "tent therapy," this episode explores why those gains were difficult to sustain once patients returned indoors, and how institutional priorities such as efficiency, scale, and growth often overtook treatment needs. This story raises enduring questions about the environment, systems of care, and the challenge of maintaining change—questions that continue to shape wilderness therapy, outdoor mental health treatment, and institutional models of care today.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
Where did wilderness therapy actually begin—and why is it so hard to define?
In the opening episode of Season 26 of Stories from the Field, host Dr. Will White launches a season-long exploration of a history of wilderness therapy. Drawing from decades of experience, doctoral research, and nearly 300 podcast conversations, Will reflects on why the field resists a single origin story or definition. From Boy Scouts to Outward Bound to Brigham Young University and therapeutic camping to psychology, education, and cultural movements, this episode explains why wilderness therapy's roots are complex—and why that complexity matters.
The episode then traces the early foundations of wilderness therapy in the United States back to the organized camping movement of the 1800s, with an in-depth look at Camp Chocorua, a radical experiment in responsibility, work, and community. Long before wilderness therapy existed as a formal mental health practice, these early camps used outdoor living to shape character and resilience. This season-opening episode sets the historical groundwork for the conversations ahead and invites listeners to approach the field's past—and its future—with curiosity and care.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
Does wilderness therapy create an altered state similar to psychedelic-assisted therapy? And what can both approaches teach us about trauma, embodiment, and lasting change?In this final episode of Season 25, Will sits down with Dr. Sandy Newes, a psychologist, educator, and longtime experiential practitioner whose career bridges wilderness therapy, trauma-informed care, and psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. A 2025 recipient of the Association for Experiential Education Michael Stratton Practitioner Award, Sandy reflects on decades in the field—exploring how experience, embodiment, and nervous system regulation can create meaningful change far beyond insight alone.
Together, Will and Sandy examine the surprising parallels between wilderness therapy and psychedelic-assisted therapy, including altered states, ethical use of power, choice and agency, and the importance of strong therapeutic containers. They also reflect on the evolution of wilderness therapy—what has been lost, what still matters, and why outdoor-based mental health treatment remains essential despite controversy and program closures. This conversation serves as a powerful bridge into Season 26 of Stories from the Field: Mental Health and the Outdoors, which will explore the complex history, ethics, and future of outdoor behavioral healthcare.
To connect with Dr. Newes and hear her podcast- check out her website- https://livingmedicineinstitute.com/about/
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
What do decades of practice in wilderness therapy reveal about ethics, transport, and change? In this episode, Will talks with Paula Leslie—former Aspen Achievement Academy field guide, therapist, accreditation reviewer, and longtime educational consultant—for a rare and reflective conversation about the evolution of the field. First introduced to many readers through Gary Ferguson's book Shouting at the Sky, Paula looks back on her formative years, the core lessons that still endure, and the ethical blind spots that only became clear with time. From learning to "do hard things" to understanding autonomy, nervous systems, and family dynamics, she offers an insider's perspective on what wilderness therapy was—and what it has become.
The conversation goes deep into the most complex and controversial issues facing wilderness therapy today, including transporting young people to treatment, trauma-informed decision-making, accreditation and safety standards, and the growing recognition of neurodiversity and family systems work. Paula speaks candidly about when wilderness therapy can be transformative—and when it can cause harm if misused. For parents, professionals, and former students alike, this episode doesn't offer easy answers—but it does offer hard-earned wisdom, grounded in decades of lived experience and a commitment to doing better.
To connect with Paula Leslie please email her at paula@havenfamilysolutions.com
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
What is the most controversial program in the history of wilderness therapy? Some might say it's the very program podcast host Will White was compelled to attend as a teenager. In this deeply personal and historical episode, Will shares—for the first time in full—the origin story that shaped his life and ultimately his 35-year career in mental health treatment in outdoor settings.
Sent by his parents at fourteen to a "wilderness therapy program" long before the field formally existed, Will describes how the experience built him, challenged him, and exposed him to both mentorship and harm. He also reveals how this same organization later became the center of national protest, legal battles, and cultural upheaval—rhyming in striking ways with the controversies surrounding modern wilderness therapy.
This special episode serves as a teaser for Season 26, where Will explores the tangled and surprising origins of wilderness therapy, drawing from his doctoral dissertation Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy, his book Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy, and conversations from this podcast.
If you're curious about the real roots of wilderness therapy—its innovations, its failures, its controversies, and its lasting impact—this episode sets the stage for the most comprehensive historical exploration ever undertaken in the outdoor behavioral health space.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
How can parents grow alongside a struggling teen or young adult without getting pulled into their anxiety, shutdown, or refusal? In this episode, Will welcomes back Krissy Pozatek to discuss the updated edition of her influential book, The Parallel Process: Growing Alongside Your Adolescent or Young Adult in Treatment. Krissy explains how the mental health landscape has shifted—more anxiety, school refusal, neurodivergence—and why parents can no longer rely on old models of detachment or over-involvement. She outlines her expanded five principles, including her new emphasis on reframing problems so parents stop trying to fix emotions and instead support teens in taking responsibility.
Will and Krissy explore what it truly means to "grow in parallel" with a child in crisis, whether at home, in outpatient care, or after wilderness and residential treatment. They discuss how enmeshment and accommodation show up in everyday family life—tech battles, social media, avoidance—and how "choice-based boundaries" can create structure without power struggles. Krissy also reflects on the evolving world of wilderness and nature-based therapy, and why allowing safe struggle is key to resilience. The updated Parallel Process gives parents a roadmap to stay steadier and more grounded so their teens can use the skills they're learning in treatment.
To buy Krissy's book or learn about her coaching practice- https://www.parallel-process.com/
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What happens when a wilderness guide, therapist, and seasoned mentor decides that traditional treatment programs no longer fit the needs of young adults? In this episode, Will speaks with Andrew "Chappy" Chapman, an innovator who has blended decades of guiding, wilderness therapy work, and young adult mentoring into something entirely new: Belay Life's one-to-one immersive adventure model. Chappy traces his path from SUWS of Idaho to the early days of True North Wilderness Program and later to New Summit Academy in Costa Rica, each step shaping his understanding of how young adults learn, struggle, and change. When the pandemic disrupted his college mentoring work, a single student invitation to Hawai'i became the catalyst for creating a more individualized, adventure-based alternative.
Chappy explains how one of his earliest clients described Belay Life as "the anti-program program," capturing its fully customized structure, privilege-from-day-one design, and emphasis on intentional daily living. Will and Chappy explore who this immersive model is best suited for, how it overlaps with but stands apart from wilderness therapy, and why families and young adults are increasingly seeking personalized, experiential approaches to growth.
Belay Life website is https://belaylife.com/
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men.
What if "consulting" in mental health meant more than just placement? In this episode Will speaks with Amanda Thomas, founder of Cobalt Family Consulting, about how she and her team are reimagining therapeutic consulting for families navigating complex emotional and behavioral challenges. Their clinically informed, team-based approach blends therapy, coaching, and systems navigation to meet families where they are—often before residential or wilderness treatment becomes necessary.
Drawing on her deep background in wilderness therapy and outdoor leadership, Amanda shares how Cobalt bridges the gap between traditional mental health care and the evolving needs of families today. Together, she and Will explore the growing demand for concierge-style support, the lessons outdoor work brings to modern practice, and how this next-generation model is changing the way families find help and hope.
To check out Cobalt Family Consulting- try their website- https://www.cobaltfamilyconsulting.com/
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men.
What do wilderness therapy outcomes really tell us? In this episode, Will talks with researchers Dr. Joanna Bettmann Schaefer and Dr. Laura Mills, two leading researchers studying outcomes in wilderness therapy and residential outdoor treatment. Drawing on data from thousands of adolescents across multiple programs, they reveal what the evidence shows about who benefits most—and who may not—from outdoor behavioral healthcare.
Their conversation explores why family engagement is such a powerful predictor of success, how adopted and neurodiverse adolescents often experience different outcomes, and why a teen's sense of belonging in treatment matters. Joanna and Laura also discuss the importance of transparency, ongoing outcome measurement, and listening to those who felt harmed by treatment. For parents, professionals, and anyone seeking facts over assumptions, this episode brings clarity to what outcome research really shows about wilderness therapy today.
To find the research discussed in this episode:
Dr. Bettman-Schaefer research page- https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joanna-Bettmann-Schaefer
To contact Dr. Bettman-Shaefer- u0046267@utah.edu
Dr. Laura Mills research page-
https://www.bestnotes.com/our-advisors/laura-mills-ph-d-qm-psych/
To contact Dr. Mills- laura@outcometools.com
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Dr. Patricia Hasbach of Northwest Ecotherapy joins Will to explore how clinicians can bring the healing power of nature into their therapeutic work. Drawing from her new book, Prescribing Nature: A Clinician's Guide to Ecotherapy, Patricia shares her journey from traditional therapy settings to incorporating the natural world as an active partner in treatment. She explains the concept of the "ecological self" and how reconnecting clients with nature can reduce anxiety, depression, and stress while deepening connection and meaning.
Patricia also offers practical guidance on writing "nature prescriptions," navigating ethical considerations, and developing competence for working outdoors. Through personal stories and research insights, she shows how ecotherapy can transform both therapy and the therapist—helping practitioners step beyond the office and into the living world as part of the healing process.
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Dr. Hasbach's website is- https://www.northwestecotherapy.com/
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Why are so many young people struggling—and are adults partly to blame? Dr. Will Dobud and Dr. Nevin Harper return to Stories from the Field to talk with Will about their bold new book, Kids These Days: Understanding and Supporting Youth Mental Health. Building on their past appearances, they explore why youth mental health keeps declining despite unprecedented access to therapy, medication, and awareness—and what adults can do to change the story.
Drawing on decades of research and global experience, they challenge the assumption that kids are the problem, pointing instead to the adult-driven systems shaping their world: safety culture, over-intervention, digital overload, and the pathologizing of normal struggle. This episode invites parents, educators, and clinicians to step back, rethink their roles, and consider how adults can foster real belonging, autonomy, and resilience for the next generation.
To buy Kids These Days: Understanding and Supporting Youth Mental Health, visit: https://newsociety.com/book/kids-these-days
Previous appearances: Dr. Will Dobud - Episodes 109 and 132 Dr. Nevin Harper - Episode 106
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Journalist and bestselling author Florence Williams joins Will to explore how time outdoors can transform our minds and bodies. Drawing from her acclaimed book The Nature Fix and her retreats around the world, Florence shares what first inspired her to study the science of nature's impact on mental health — and how awe, quiet, and sunlight can rewire our brains for calm and connection.
They discuss the "three-day effect," the power of forest bathing, and simple daily practices anyone can use to bring more nature into life — even in cities. Whether you're a reader of The Nature Fix or simply someone who feels better outside, this conversation will leave you inspired to step outdoors and notice how nature heals.
To learn more about Florence Williams, her books, and retreats check out: https://florencewilliams.com/
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men.
In this week’s episode, Will welcomes experiential educator Greg Hitchcock, who shares the story of The Trade—a paid apprenticeship and next-step program for young adults who feel stuck or unsure of their direction. Based on 2,000 acres in New Hampshire, The Trade helps participants learn by doing and earn while growing through hands-on training in the trades, including forestry, woodworking, construction, automotive, hospitality, and more. Apprentices live together in a supportive, therapeutic-style community, earning wages from day one while building life skills, confidence, and independence through real work in the outdoors.
Learn more about The Trade at TradeForLife.org.
This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men.
In this episode Will speaks with Somerville Johnston, co-founder of Bright Shadow, a nonprofit dedicated to helping people navigate grief and loss through nature-based retreats and community support. Somerville shares how her background in Outward Bound, somatic therapy, and adventure programs led to the creation of Bright Shadow, which began with grief retreats for whitewater kayakers and has since expanded to serve a wider community.
Together, Will and Somerville explore the power of the outdoors to hold grief, foster connection, and invite healing. They discuss the unique ways Bright Shadow blends ceremony, play, and somatic practices in natural settings to create safe spaces where participants can process loss—whether from the death of loved ones, natural disasters, or changes in cherished outdoor landscapes. This conversation highlights how community, nature, and nonprofit efforts like Bright Shadow can transform the experience of grief into opportunities for renewal, resilience, and deeper connection.
We are supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute-wmai.org. which is our hosts coaching and retreat practice.
In this episode, Will sits down with Chris Brown, founder of the LifeWays Wilderness Institute in Durango, Colorado. Lifeways offers a unique blend of outpatient therapy and guided outdoor experiences—from rock climbing and backpacking to family retreats and professional trainings—all rooted in the “four rooms” model of mind, body, heart, and soul.
Chris shares how his team is expanding access by partnering with nonprofits, providing grant-funded programs for teens, and accepting Medicaid and major insurers to reduce barriers to care. He also reflects on why shorter, voluntary wilderness experiences can be transformative—helping young people build resilience, practice healthy conflict, and connect more deeply to themselves, their community, and the natural world.
We are supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute-wmai.org. which is our hosts coaching and retreat practice.
In this episode, Will welcomes back Nathan Olsen—winner of the latest season of Alone. Nathan’s roots in wilderness survival run deep: his father, Larry Dean Olsen, was a pioneer in the early years of wilderness therapy, and Nathan grew up immersed in the outdoors through helping out at the Anasazi Foundation and other wilderness programs.
We explore his journey in South Africa’s Great Karoo Desert, how a lifetime of “dirt time” in wilderness therapy shaped his survival skills, and the reflections on family, purpose, and the changing field of wilderness therapy. Nathan also shares how research continues to prove its effectiveness and how his work co-founding BestNotes supports behavioral healthcare providers, underscoring why time in nature remains such a powerful catalyst for resilience, healing, and transformation.
Nathan Olsen was previously on episode 9 of Stories from the Field, Nov. 1 2018. You can find that episode here-https://storiesfromthefield.libsyn.com/nathan-olson-ceo-of-bestnotes or any podcast platform.
Learn more at White Mountain Adventure Institute about Will White's coaching practice- wmai.org.
In this episode, Will reconnects with his friend Chris Robbins, founder of Soul Degree men’s retreats and husband of bestselling author Mel Robbins. Chris shares his journey from corporate burnout to creating outdoor retreats where men come together to heal, connect, and reset. Having attended two Soul Degree retreats himself, Will describes the impact of hiking, fire pits, and time in nature—experiences that inspired him to launch his own retreats for men at White Mountain Adventure Institute.
The conversation also explores the global success of The Let Them Theory, written by Mel Robbins with their daughter Sawyer, and how its message overlaps with Chris’s work. Just as the book encourages readers to release control, Soul Degree reminds men that while people may care, nature doesn’t—it simply provides the space for real transformation.
Learn more at White Mountain Adventure Institute-wmai.org.
Check out Chris's previous conversation with Will- episode 217 of this podcast- Nature's Therapy: Unveiling Soul Degree's Power in Men's Wellness with Chris Robbins
In this episode, Will speaks with Jason Denham, founder of Awakened Shadow Coaching, about his two decades of work with boys, men and other genders in behavioral healthcare including wilderness therapy, transitional living, and recovery support. Jason shares how outdoor experiences—from simple games in the woods to long days on trail—create unique openings for boys and men to express themselves, build resilience, and form meaningful connections. Drawing on his own recovery journey and his coaching practice rooted in Jungian shadow work and mindful somatic practices, Jason reflects on both the transformative power and the ongoing challenges of outdoor-based behavioral healthcare.
Our host Will White's men's coaching and retreats website is wmai.org.
Our guest Jason Denham's website is https://awakenedshadow.com/
In this compelling follow-up to Episode 98, Enzo Narciso returns to Stories from the Field to reflect on his transformation since first sharing his journey in 2020. A former wilderness therapy client who overcame addiction and a near-fatal overdose, Enzo now mentors young men transitioning home from treatment through his program, Life Strategies. He speaks candidly about the lasting impact of wilderness therapy—both its challenges and its gifts—including the controversial practice of being transported to treatment.
Enzo unpacks how time in nature laid the foundation for his emotional awareness, mindfulness practice, and sense of purpose. Now pursuing a graduate degree in addiction counseling, Enzo shares insights for parents, educators, and professionals supporting boys and young men struggling with confidence, direction, and emotional growth. Whether you're an advocate or a skeptic of wilderness therapy, Enzo’s grounded and thoughtful perspective offers a valuable lens into how healing can begin—often in the most unexpected places.
Will White's men's coaching and retreats website is wmai.org.
In this insightful episode Will talks with Dr. Jack Hinman, co-founder and executive director of Engage Transitions, shares his personal path from a chaotic childhood in Memphis to launching a young adult transition program in the red rock and pine-covered terrain of Cedar City, Utah. Engage Transitions supports young adults facing anxiety, depression, executive functioning struggles, and social isolation—many of whom are also neurodivergent. Jack opens up about his own healing journey through friendship, therapy, and the outdoors, and offers a powerful reminder to parents: anxiety is not something to eliminate but a necessary part of growth. He challenges the cultural instinct to remove discomfort, noting how overprotection from the physical world—and underprotection from the online one—may be delaying critical development in young adults.
Jack passionately explores how time outside—on a mountain bike trail, in the snow, or simply hiking—can unlock self-confidence, connection, and emotional regulation. He believes that unstructured outdoor play builds resilience and identity, especially for young men struggling with motivation or vulnerability. Movement-based activities create opportunities for co-regulation, mirror therapy modalities like EMDR, and offer a space where conversations can flow more naturally than in a clinical office. Jack emphasizes that mastery of the outdoor environment, whether navigating rocky terrain or managing ski gear in cold weather, helps young people begin to feel mastery over themselves. In a world where many young adults are lost in digital disconnection, nature can be the place they finally begin to grow.
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In this episode Will speaks with Jeff Holloway, a veteran social worker and therapeutic consultant from Lumos Strategies with decades of experience in therapeutic programs for youth. Jeff shares his decades-long journey through the evolving landscape of outdoor behavioral healthcare, from his early days working in residential care to helping launch the trauma-informed wilderness therapy program First Light. Drawing from his time in roles ranging from foster care to executive leadership, Jeff reflects on how outdoor programs have shifted from rigid models to more relational, integrative approaches that prioritize safety, engagement, and connection—especially for boys. He discusses how therapeutic breakthroughs often happen not in an office, but during moments like catching crawdads in a creek or pitching a tent in the rain. With warmth and wisdom, Jeff explains why wilderness therapy—done ethically and thoughtfully—still holds powerful potential to build resilience in young people and restore meaningful family connection.
Jeff Holloway's consulting practice can be found at - https://lumosstrategies.com/
Will White's men's coaching and retreats website is wmai.org.
In this powerful and deeply personal episode, Will is joined by parent coach Beth Hillman, a mother of five sons whose life was turned upside down when one of her teenagers spiraled into substance use and crisis. Beth shares the raw and emotional journey her family experienced—from the shame and fear of not knowing what was happening, to the decision to send her son to wilderness therapy, and ultimately, to her own transformation through emotional work and coaching. Beth opens up about how letting go of control, embracing vulnerability, and learning to hold boundaries with compassion helped her reconnect with her son and herself. This episode offers invaluable insights and hope for parents navigating similar struggles—and reminds us that healing often begins with the parent.
Beth’s website is- https://bethhillmancoaching.com/
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In this episode, Will is joined by Chris Blankenship, founder of Autism Learning Lab and former wilderness therapy psychotherapist. Chris shares how years in the field led him to recognize a growing number of young men arriving in treatment with undiagnosed autism—often masked by anxiety, depression, or substance use. He explains how his work at the Autism Learning Lab now supports adolescents and young adults through individualized coaching, family retreats, and outdoor-based interventions.
Chris discusses how the outdoors offers a powerful setting for building awareness, confidence, and emotional regulation, especially for neurodivergent youth. He shares compelling stories, including how nature-based experiences helped one young man shift from isolation and addiction to greater self-understanding. This episode offers practical insights for parents who suspect their son may be on the autism spectrum and are looking for holistic, nature-informed ways to support him.
The Autism Learning Lab website is: https://www.autismlearninglab.com/
Will White's men's coaching and retreats website is wmai.org.
In this powerful episode Will welcomes Nick Mann—Marine Corps veteran, former wilderness therapy program director, and founder of Dad’s Project—for an honest and inspiring conversation about the mental health challenges men and boys face today. Nick shares his journey from military service to working in wilderness therapy and now coaching fathers, highlighting how leadership, emotional presence, and outdoor experiences can help men reconnect with their purpose. Together, Will and Nick dive into why boys and men are increasingly disconnected from nature and community, and how rites of passage in outdoor settings can play a vital role in mental well-being.
Nick opens up about leaving a high-demand leadership role in wilderness therapy to be more present for his daughter, reflecting on how modern fatherhood often means navigating the tension between providing financially and being emotionally available. He and Will explore why men often resist therapy but may be more open to coaching, and why building intentional male support networks is essential to combating isolation and depression. With warmth, wisdom, and vulnerability, this episode sets the tone for a season focused on men’s mental health and the healing power of the outdoors.
Nick’s podcast link on Apple Podcast is: https://podcasts.apple.com/gr/podcast/the-dads-project-podcast/id1794615330
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In this episode Will speaks with Katie Baum Mettenbrink, Director of Risk Management at the National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS), about the intersection of risk, resilience, and mental health in outdoor education. With over two decades at NOLS, Katie shares her journey from a college backpacking trip to becoming a leader in wilderness risk management. She discusses the importance of balancing challenge and safety in the field, her role in shaping the upcoming Wilderness Risk Management Conference in Portland, Maine, and how outdoor experiences can build clarity, connection, and emotional well-being for participants of all ages.
Katie also reflects on how mental clarity and singular purpose emerge in the face of environmental adversity, such as navigating snowstorms with young children in the backcountry. The conversation touches on pressing issues in the field—from the impact of climate change on expedition planning to the challenge of adapting to a generation raised with instant access to information. For professionals concerned about safety in the outdoors, and for families considering the value of immersive wilderness programs, this episode offers critical insights into how risk can be thoughtfully managed to foster growth and healing.
Natioinal Outdoor Leadership School Website: https://www.nols.edu/en/
Wilderness Risk Management Conference Website: https://www.nols.edu/en/risk-services/wilderness-risk-management-conference/
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In this episode Will speaks with Dr. Neal Christensen, psychologist, researcher, and co-owner of Elements Programs in Utah. With over two decades in the field, Dr. Christensen shares his journey from discovering outdoor experiential work in high school to becoming a leader in wilderness therapy for neurodivergent youth. As co-creator of the Eclipse program at Elements, he discusses how the model intentionally shifts away from traditional primitive skills to better support teens on the autism spectrum, those with ADHD, and other social-cognitive challenges through tailored interventions that emphasize emotional regulation, social skills, and executive functioning.
Dr. Christensen also explores the evolution of wilderness therapy research, highlighting the significant outcome data from Elements and the broader Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council. He shares insights into how targeted, evidence-based adaptations—like allowing wristwatches, using specialized social skills curricula, and designing digital media interventions—improve outcomes for neurodivergent clients. This conversation is essential listening for parents seeking effective alternatives to traditional therapy and for professionals interested in how research continues to shape best practices in the field.
To access the research mentioned in this episode: https://elementsprograms.com/resources/research/
Stories from the Field is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute: https://www.wmai.org/
In this episode Will speaks with Haley Bezon, founder and executive director of Hearty Roots—a nonprofit nature-based wellness organization serving youth in Maine. Drawing on her own lived experience with mental health and a diverse work background in education and wilderness therapy, Haley shares how Hearty Roots was born from a desire to reimagine mental health care for children. Frustrated by the long waitlists and barriers many families face in Maine, she built a program that brings therapy outdoors—where kids heal through connection, movement, and the steady presence of caring mentors.
Listeners will hear how Hearty Roots blends evidence-based social-emotional learning with the simplicity of time in nature—whether it’s hiking, paddling, or gathering around a fire. Haley describes their Taproot program, which replaces traditional office therapy with outdoor, trauma-informed sessions led by licensed clinicians, and she emphasizes the importance of proactive mental health care before crises arise. For parents in Maine and beyond who are overwhelmed by limited options or seeking more human-centered support for their children, this episode offers both inspiration and a real-world solution grounded in nature, community, and heart.
Hearty Roots Website: https://www.heartyroots.org/
In this episode Will welcomes Steve Smith, founder of Experiential Consulting and a 30-year veteran in the outdoor education and risk management field. Steve shares his journey from classroom teacher to mountaineering instructor and eventually leading national conversations on risk through roles with Outward Bound, the Student Conservation Association, and the Wilderness Risk Management Conference. Throughout the episode, Steve explains how his thinking has evolved from linear, blame-based models of incident response to a systems-based, learning-focused philosophy that emphasizes psychological safety, continuous improvement, and shared responsibility in outdoor programs.
Steve also shares a powerful and personal story of a near-death mountaineering accident that profoundly impacted his mental health—and eventually became a catalyst for change in how he views vulnerability, risk, and leadership. His transparency about the emotional aftermath and his later work to warn others about the recurring hazard at Asgard Pass highlight the importance of learning from both success and failure. This episode is essential listening for anyone in outdoor education, wilderness therapy, or a parent concerned about the safety of outdoor programs. It offers both philosophical depth and practical insights into how programs can navigate risk without sacrificing meaningful adventure.
Check out Steve’s website for Experiential Consulting: https://www.outdoorrisk.com/
In this episode Will talks with Jessie Krebs is a wilderness survival expert, former U.S. Air Force SERE specialist, and the founder of O.W.L.S. Skills (Outdoorsy Women Learning Survival Skills), a program dedicated to helping women and marginalized communities build confidence and safety in the outdoors. In this powerful episode, Jessie shares her remarkable journey—from childhood trauma and military service to discovering deep healing through wilderness therapy and survival training. With over a decade of experience in wilderness therapy and appearances on reality shows like Alone, Jessie brings a rare blend of practical skill, emotional insight, and fierce compassion to her work.
Will and Jessie dive into the role of nature in trauma recovery, the impact of wilderness on mental health, and the creation of inclusive spaces in outdoor education. She shares a profound story from her time in wilderness therapy that changed her life, discusses the evolution of her teaching philosophy, and explains how survival skills are a pathway to emotional resilience. Whether you’re a seasoned outdoorsperson or someone seeking a deeper connection to nature, Jessie’s insights offer inspiration and guidance for finding strength in the wild.
To connect with Jessie- https://bookings.owlsskills.com/en/
In this special live episode Will welcomes his longtime friend and world-renowned adventurer Mark Synnott, a veteran big wall climber, elite alpinist, National Geographic writer, and bestselling author of The Impossible Climb and The Third Pole. Mark joins remotely—from a sailboat in the middle of the Pacific Ocean—for a captivating conversation recorded live at the Whitney Community Center in Jackson, New Hampshire. The discussion centers on his newest book, Into the Ice, which chronicles his bold journey through the Northwest Passage and his deep dive into one of history’s greatest polar mysteries: the lost Franklin Expedition. Along the way, Mark shares raw reflections on risk, family, storytelling, and why the hardest paths often offer the greatest rewards.
This episode is a wide-ranging exploration of what it means to pursue adventure as a way of life. From living in a cave in Yosemite to crossing the Arctic by sail, Mark offers gripping stories of survival, curiosity, and devotion—to his craft, his family, and the wild places that continue to call him. Whether you're drawn to extreme expeditions, compelling historical mysteries, or simply navigating uncertainty with purpose, this conversation will leave you inspired to embrace the unknown and chart your own course.
This episode was supported by:
White Birch Booksellers- (a great place to buy Mark’s new book!)
Jackson Public Library
Whitney Community Center
Mark’s previous episodes on Stories from the Field were:
Ep. 25: Mark Synnott author of the Impossible Climb
Ep. 121 Mark Synnott, Author of The Third Pole
In this heartfelt episode, Will welcomes Dr. Jason Frishman, clinical psychologist and founder of the Journeymen Foundation, an organization dedicated to helping fathers foster connection, resilience, and growth through community and mentorship. Jason shares how his years of clinical practice led him to create Journeymen, moving beyond traditional therapy models to build spaces where fathers can share stories, support one another, and rediscover their essential role at home and in their own lives. The conversation explores why so many fathers feel isolated in today’s world, the importance of redefining masculinity and emotional connection, and how outdoor experiences and shared adventures serve as catalysts for personal transformation.
Jason also shares a personal story about a camping trip with his infant son and wife that reshaped his understanding of adventure, family, and resilience. Together, Jason and Will discuss how stepping into discomfort, embracing imperfection, and finding meaning in the mundane can foster profound emotional growth. If you're a father—or if you support fathers—this conversation offers powerful insights into building lasting connection, challenging outdated narratives of manhood, and finding healing through nature, story, and community.
In this powerful episode Will sits down with acclaimed author and risk management expert Ty Gagne to discuss his latest book, The Lions of Winter: Survival and Sacrifice on Mount Washington. Ty takes listeners behind the scenes of the tragic 1982 search and rescue mission that claimed the life of volunteer Albert Dow—an event that forever changed New Hampshire’s backcountry rescue protocols. Through gripping storytelling and deep reflection, Ty illuminates the heroism, emotional toll, and legacy of this landmark incident, shedding light on the psychological challenges faced by rescuers and the evolution of mountain safety over the past four decades.
The conversation also explores the unique dangers of the White Mountains, the increasing number of unprepared adventurers, and the importance of humility and preparation when heading into unpredictable wilderness environments. Ty shares a poignant personal story about witnessing a breathtaking sunrise on Mount Washington just before the COVID-19 shutdown—a moment that reflects the deep connection between nature and mental wellness. As both an outdoor enthusiast and risk professional, Ty brings unparalleled insight into how outdoor tragedy can lead to meaningful change, compassion, and understanding. This episode is essential listening for anyone passionate about the outdoors, mental health, and the human stories behind survival and loss.
To purchase The Lions of Winter: Survival and Sacrifice on Mount Washington or any of Ty’s other books check out his website: https://www.fullconditionsnh.com
In this powerful episode Will speaks with Audrey Costa, founder of Deep Rooted Wellness and Creatives, about her powerful journey from personal hardship to purposeful healing. Audrey opens up about her struggles with addiction, parenting through adversity, and how turning to nature—and backpacking in particular—transformed her mental health. Through her vulnerability and wisdom, she shares how movement, nature, and creativity became the cornerstones of her recovery and the foundation for her work with others.
Audrey also dives into her nature-based offerings, including trauma-informed hiking experiences, Wild Resilience backpacking retreats for women, and custom healing experiences for those navigating grief or burnout. As a soon-to-be clinical mental health counselor, Audrey blends her fitness and wellness expertise with deep emotional insight to create spaces where others can find strength, self-discovery, and peace in the outdoors. Tune in for a heartfelt, honest, and empowering conversation about healing through connection—to ourselves, to others, and to nature.
Check out Audrey’s website: https://www.deeprootedwellnessandcreatives.com/
Discover upcoming men’s retreats that our podcast host, Will White is facilitating at WMAI.org.
In this powerful and deeply personal episode, Will welcomes Jason Stout, founder of Stoutreach, to share his story of grief, healing, and the outdoors. Jason opens up about experiencing multiple profound losses as a child—including the deaths of his sister, grandmother, and father—and how those early tragedies shaped the course of his life.
Jason describes how time in nature helped him begin to heal and led him to dedicate his career to supporting others who are grieving. From guiding wilderness expeditions for teens who have lost loved ones to facilitating peer support programs for military families and veterans, Jason has developed a unique and impactful model that blends outdoor experiences with emotional healing. His work was recently recognized with the 2024 Richard Louv Prize for Innovation in Nature Connection.
Will also reflects briefly on the recent passing of his own father and the ways in which the outdoors continues to offer space for connection and reflection.
This episode explores the intersection of grief, nature, and human resilience—reminding us that while loss is universal, healing is possible when we reconnect with ourselves, each other, and the natural world.
Learn more about Jason’s work at missionstoutreach.org.
Discover upcoming men’s retreats that our podcast host, Will White is faciliating at WMAI.org.
In this episode, Will welcomes Brandon Moffitt, Executive Director and Co-Founder of Black Mountain Academy in North Carolina. Brandon shares his journey from working in wilderness therapy to founding Black Mountain Academy, a specialized therapeutic school for neurodivergent students. He discusses the importance of integrating academic, social, and therapeutic support for adolescents with learning differences and neurodevelopmental challenges. He also highlights how outdoor experiences play a crucial role in fostering confidence, resilience, and social engagement among students.
Brandon also introduces Intrepid Young Adults, Black Mountain Academy’s new program designed to help young adults transition into independence with structured support in academics, career exploration, and life skills. He shares insights into how outdoor activities, such as hiking, fishing, and community engagement, provide essential opportunities for growth and self-discovery. Brandon also reflects on the resilience of students and staff following a devastating flood, the role of community service in their therapeutic model, and the evolving landscape of neurodivergent education. This episode is packed with wisdom for parents, educators, and professionals working in therapeutic education and outdoor mental health.
In this engaging conversation, Will welcomes back Katie Asmus, founder of the Somatic Nature Therapy Institute, to discuss the evolution of her work integrating nature-based therapy, somatic awareness, and rites of passage. Over the past five years, her practice has expanded significantly, growing into a group practice and training center that helps therapists incorporate nature therapeutically. Katie highlights how nature supports emotional regulation, trauma healing, and overall well-being, explaining how the accessibility of nature-based therapy has grown, especially post-pandemic. She discusses the various ways her institute trains therapists and clients, from individualized nature sessions to immersive wilderness quests, emphasizing the power of integrating nature into mental health care.
Katie also reflects on the broader shifts in the field, noting an increasing demand for nature-informed therapy and a shift away from traditional office-based treatment models. She discusses her work with clients, including a powerful session where a grieving client found solace by sharing her emotions with a tree. She distinguishes between nature therapy, adventure therapy, and wilderness therapy, advocating for an approach that fosters deep relationships with the natural world rather than focusing on high-adventure activities. Looking ahead, she anticipates a continued mainstreaming of nature-based therapy, making it more accessible and sustainable for both clients and therapists alike.
To learn more about Katie and the Somatic Nature Therapy Institute- check out https://www.somaticnaturetherapy.com/
To listen to Katies Previous episode on Stories from the Field check out- our podcast page- Katie was episode 81!
In this episode Will talks with Dr. Anita Tucker and Dr. Christine Norton about the transformation of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Research Center into the newly established Outdoor Research Collaborative for Health, Wellbeing, and Experiential Engagement (ORC) at the University of New Hampshire. The ORC's mission is to expand research efforts beyond wilderness therapy to encompass a wider array of outdoor-based mental health interventions, including community-based programs, trauma-informed practices, and experiential engagement. Dr. Tucker and Dr. Norton explain how the ORC is creating a more inclusive research environment by incorporating diverse voices, including former clients, and prioritizing diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB) to better reflect the evolving field of outdoor therapy.
The conversation delves into the ORC's collaborative research efforts with programs across the country, from wilderness therapy to outpatient adventure-based counseling, and highlights the growing interest in nature-based mental health interventions post-pandemic. The ORC's strategic planning process involved engaging various stakeholders to ensure the research center's direction aligns with the field's needs. The episode also explores how outdoor therapy can reduce practitioner burnout and discusses the importance of research accessibility for practitioners and clients alike. Listeners will gain insight into the field’s future, the role of community-based programming, and how the ORC continues to build trust and foster innovation through research and collaboration.
Stories from the Field is sponsored by White Mountain Adventure Institute.
Helpful links to learn more about information shared in this episode:
Outdoor Research Collaborative Website
Dr. Tucker talks about her background and the OBH Center in 2018 on Stories from the Field.
Dr. Norton talks about her background and her work at the OBH Center in 2019 on Stories from the Field.
Dr. Noton talks about research at the OBH Center about transporting young people to wilderness therapy programs in 2021.
Dr. Mike Gass talks about the OBH Center and its research and focus in 2021.
Dr. Tucker and Dr. Norton talk on the podcast Therapy +
Want to listen to an outdoor therapy session? In this episode Will embarks on a personal experiment inspired by Reid Hoffman’s new book, Superagency. After reading about AI’s potential role in mental health, Will decided to test whether an AI chatbot could function as a real-time outdoor mental health counselor. While hiking and skiing in the backcountry, he engaged in a structured conversations with an AI therapist he named “Diane,” trained in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and recorded it. The session provided insights into processing emotions, adjusting to life transitions, and engaging more deeply with the natural environment. Will shares his experience, reflecting on the possibilities and limitations of AI in supporting mental well-being during outdoor activities.
The episode explores the growing demand for mental health services and how AI could help bridge the gap by providing low-cost, accessible support. AI tools, unlike human therapists, are always available and free from biases or emotional fatigue. However, Will also discusses the limitations of AI therapy, including its lack of human empathy, inability to respond to crises, and potential privacy concerns. While AI may not replace traditional therapy, it could serve as a valuable supplement for those seeking guidance in outdoor settings. The episode closes with a thought-provoking question: Would you use an AI mental health companion while hiking, skiing, or walking in the woods?
Our podcast underwriter is White Mountain Adventure Institute-(WMAI.org)
What can ancient myths teach us about group dynamics, leadership, and mental health? In this episode Will sits down with Brant Evans (pen name Brant Elwood), co-author of Gods, Heroes, and Groups, to explore how timeless stories offer powerful insights into modern therapy and leadership. Drawing from his experiences as a wilderness therapy field guide, an executive director in recovery programs, and now a therapeutic consultant at Stucker, Smith, and Weatherly, Brant shares how archetypal narratives help us understand the unconscious forces shaping group behavior.
Will and Brant discuss the evolving landscape of wilderness therapy, the impact of social media on mental health treatment, and how lessons from mythology can guide therapists, leaders, and individuals in navigating complex interpersonal dynamics. Whether you're a clinician, a leader, or simply interested in the intersection of psychology and storytelling, this episode provides a fascinating look at how ancient wisdom remains deeply relevant today.
Brant’s book, God’s, Heroes, and Groups is available on Amazon.
Our podcast underwriter is White Mountain Adventure Institute-(WMAI.org)
In this Will speaks with Derek Daley, the incoming president of the National Association of Therapeutic Schools and Programs (NATSAP), about the transformative implications of the Stop Institutional Child Abuse Act (SICAA) for outdoor behavioral health. This federal legislation focuses on increasing oversight, transparency, and accountability within youth treatment programs, aiming to establish national standards for ethical care and safety. Daley explains that the next two years will involve data collection and evaluation to guide future regulations, with NATSAP actively engaging policymakers to ensure the field’s expertise and perspective shape these developments. He underscores the importance of trauma-informed care and community-based alternatives while advocating to preserve wilderness therapy as a vital option for families seeking outdoor behavioral healthcare.
Daley also sheds light on the recent merger of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council (OBH) Council with NATSAP, a decision driven by declining OBH membership and the closure of numeorus programs. This merger represents a strategic shift, enabling OBH’s mission to thrive within NATSAP's broader organizational structure. Daley highlights OBH’s legacy as a trailblazer in accreditation standards, safety data collection, and outcome tracking, which have influenced the entire field. With SICAA emphasizing data transparency and ethical practices, this partnership positions outdoor behavioral health programs to adapt and lead amid increasing federal oversight. Daley invites listeners to engage with these changes by attending the upcoming NATSAP conference and supporting initiatives that ensure the future of outdoor-based mental health care.
Here is a link to the SICAA act: https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/s1351/BILLS-118s1351es.pdf
Stories from the Field is sponsored by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org).
In this episode Will talks with John Tobias, founder of Red Cedar Transitions. John shares his journey from working at Boulder Outdoor Survival School to Aspen Achievement Academy and other wilderness therapy programs to establishing Red Cedar Transitions in Asheville, North Carolina. He discusses the evolution of his career, blending wilderness therapy, coaching, and psychotherapy, and highlights the flexibility and individualized approach of Red Cedar’s community-based model. John emphasizes the importance of supporting young adults as they navigate transitions, providing them with tools for independence while staying connected to the real world.
The conversation explores the changing landscape of wilderness therapy, including the decline of traditional programs and the rise of alternative models like Red Cedar that cater to modern young adults' needs. John also reflects on the power of nature-based therapy and its potential to adapt and thrive despite industry challenges. With a focus on action-oriented coaching and the integration of therapeutic principles, John shares his vision for the future, emphasizing flexibility and responsiveness to the rapidly evolving needs of young people.
In this episode Will talks with John Karren, co-founder of Elements Programs. John reflects on how Elements has evolved over its 17-year history, moving from a strictly nomadic wilderness model to more flexible, tailored programs, including a new “Eclipse” option designed for neurodiverse adolescents. He explains the behind-the-scenes decisions that led them to integrate adventure activities, introduce heated tents, and adopt family-centric approaches, all while maintaining a commitment to the transformative power of the outdoors. John also discusses the critical role of collaboration with partners and clinical team members in shaping Elements’ ongoing adaptations, from digital media overuse interventions to specialized programming for different client profiles.
Beyond the Elements model, John and Will touch on broader challenges facing the outdoor behavioral healthcare field, particularly the recent industry contractions and heightened public scrutiny. John shares how being a small, owner-operated program with dedicated clinical professionals has enabled Elements to stay resilient. He speaks passionately about the need to eliminate outdated practices, embrace ethical oversight, and remain agile in responding to ever-changing mental health needs. This conversation offers a candid look at how one wilderness therapy program continues to innovate while retaining a deep respect for the outdoors as a powerful catalyst for growth and healing.
Other podcast episodes related to Elements mentioned in this episode:
Episode 44: Karen Scrafford, Co-founder of Elements Wilderness Therapy
Episode 17: Lynn Smith, Co-founder of Elements Wilderness Program
98: Vicenzo Narciso, Undergraduate Student at San Diego Mesa College and Former Wilderness Therapy Student
In this special episode Will takes a deep dive into the Netflix documentary Hell Camp: Teen Nightmare, which explores the infamous Challenger Foundation—a adolescent wilderness therapy program in the late 1980s that became a cautionary tale of abuse and unethical practices. Will reflects on the emotional impact of the film, the human cost of profit-driven models, and the ripple effects of Challenger’s abusive culture on the broader field of wilderness therapy. Drawing on his extensive research and writings, he examines how the program's legacy continues to shape the evolution of ethical standards and regulatory oversight in outdoor behavioral healthcare.
The episode also features insights from undergraduate students in Will’s Wilderness Therapy class at Plymouth State University. These students share their fresh perspectives on the documentary and discuss the broader complexities of wilderness therapy, including their views on consent, ethical practices, and the role of outdoor experiences in healing. Their reflections, shaped by personal and professional experiences, underscore the importance of learning from the past to create safer and more effective programs today. Together, Will and his students offer a nuanced exploration of the challenges and potential of wilderness therapy as a tool for mental health treatment.
Will's doctoral dissertation is free on Proquest: Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy.
In this episode Will reconnects with Mod Barefoot Maves, who last appeared on the podcast just before the pandemic in February 2020. Mod shares the remarkable evolution of the Vermont-based program formerly known as True North Wilderness, which recently changed its name to True North Evolution. She discusses the thoughtful, incremental shift away from a nomadic wilderness therapy to a fully residential model, as well as the decision to focus solely on serving young adults rather than adolescents. Mod explains how this evolution reflects the changing needs and preferences of their clients, who increasingly seek in-depth, community-oriented experiences and meaningful engagement with the world around them.
Beyond adapting their program structure, True North Evolution has also embraced new modalities that balance outdoor engagement with dynamic residential offerings. Mod highlights the importance of authenticity, collaboration, and long-term relationships with clients, including the role of coaching and the integration of technology in carefully managed ways. Throughout the conversation, she underscores the importance of listening to feedback—both from young adults and the broader field—while maintaining a strong ethical foundation. This episode offers valuable insights into how a pioneering program is reimagining the future of outdoor behavioral healthcare.
In this episode Will reconnects with Andrew Taylor, founder of Pure Life Adventure in Costa Rica and the podcast's very first guest in 2018. Andrew shares the significant developments at Pure Life over the past six years, including how the COVID-19 pandemic forced a one-year suspension of operations due to Costa Rica closing its borders. This pause led to transformative changes such as enhanced pre-program communication with students, the introduction of academic credits, and the expansion to include adolescent groups. Andrew emphasizes the importance of informed consent and willingness among participants, noting that these shifts have strengthened the program's impact on young adults dealing with anxiety, depression, ADHD, and executive functioning challenges.
Andrew also discusses the inception of Octagon Mentoring, a coaching and mentoring initiative he started during the pandemic to continue supporting young adults. Octagon Mentoring offers services ranging from life coaching to an independent living facility in Salt Lake City, Utah. The conversation delves into his new book, "Launch: A Guide to Getting Unstuck, Navigating Life, and Thriving," which encapsulates his curriculum designed to help individuals overcome mental blocks and shift their mindsets. Andrew reflects on the evolving landscape of wilderness and adventure therapy, addressing the industry's recent contractions and expressing optimism for its future. He highlights the enduring healing power of nature and the necessity of adapting to meet the changing needs of young people and their families.
In this episode Will engages in a profound conversation with Danny Frazer, co-founder of the former Open Sky Wilderness Therapy program and founder of Gain the Ridge Consulting. Danny shares his journey into the field of wilderness therapy, beginning as an intern at Galena Ridge and progressing to roles at Aspen Achievement Academy. He reflects on the audacious vision that led to the founding of Open Sky in 2006, highlighting how they integrated innovative practices like yoga, meditation, naturopathic medicine, and extensive family involvement—elements that were revolutionary at the time. Danny discusses his leadership roles, including serving as the chair of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council, where he emphasized collaboration and ethical practices to advance the field.
The conversation delves into the challenging decision to close Open Sky in early 2024 after 18 years of operation. Danny candidly examines the multifaceted reasons behind the closure, including negative media portrayals of wilderness therapy, societal shifts in parenting styles, increased competition from insurance-covered programs, and the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic. He shares his personal process of grief and reflection, which led to the creation of Gain the Ridge Consulting. Through his new venture, Danny aims to support leaders and organizations in behavioral healthcare by offering coaching and consulting services that focus on leadership development, risk management, and program evolution. He expresses optimism for the future of wilderness therapy, emphasizing the enduring power of nature in healing and personal growth.
To listen an episode about the closure of Open Sky check out episode 221-The Closure of Open Sky: Is this the "Winter" of Wilderness Therapy?
In this episode Will reconnects with Nichol Ernst, CEO of Summit Achievement, an adolsecent residential treatment program in Maine. Nichol shares his journey from starting as a field staff member 21 years ago to leading the organization today. They delve into how Summit Achievement has evolved since its founding in 1996, discussing the core principles that have remained steadfast—the transformative power of nature, evidence-based clinical work, a strong focus on academics, and the critical involvement of family in the therapeutic process. Nichol highlights how the program has adapted to meet the changing needs of adolescents and their families, integrating technological advancements for safety, becoming a fully accredited school capable of awarding academic credits, and addressing the increasing complexity of mental health issues among youth.
The conversation also addresses the broader challenges and criticisms faced by the wilderness therapy field. Nichol discusses Summit Achievement's commitment to transparency, ethical practices, and continual improvement through state licensure, national accreditations, and the publication of outcome data demonstrating significant reductions in depression and anxiety among participants. As mental health needs continue to rise, Summit Achievement remains dedicated to providing effective, individualized treatment without compromising its foundational values. This insightful discussion offers listeners a deeper understanding of how one organization navigates the complexities of mental health care while harnessing the healing power of the outdoors.
In the milestone 250th episode, Will reconnects with Matt Nannis, founder of PIVOTPoint, an experiential adventure program based in Western North Carolina. Since their last conversation in 2022, PIVOTPoint has evolved significantly, shifting its focus from working primarily with individuals in recovery to providing preventive and therapeutic services for youth within the local community. Matt discusses how the organization has integrated its programs into schools, offering after-school initiatives for high school and middle school students that emphasize self-awareness, self-regulation, and pro-social behaviors through outdoor activities like hiking, paddleboarding, and rock climbing.
The episode takes a profound turn as Matt shares PIVOTPoint’s essential role in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, which devastated parts of Western North Carolina. Faced with widespread destruction, loss of utilities, and a community in crisis, Pivot Point adapted swiftly to provide immediate mental health support and relief services. Matt delves into the challenges of mobilizing resources, coordinating with other organizations, and addressing his own emotional journey during this demanding time. Despite the overwhelming circumstances, PIVOTPoint’s commitment to serving the community highlighted the importance of adaptability, resilience, and the therapeutic power of connection during times of crisis.
To donate to PIVOTpoint check out their website at https://pivotpointwnc.org/.
In this episode Will reconnects with Bill Brown, co-founder of Confluence Behavioral Health in Vermont. Since their last conversation in 2019, Confluence has evolved significantly to meet the changing needs of young adults. Bill discusses how today's youth are internalizing their struggles more than ever, shifting from outward expressions of distress to feelings of self-hatred and isolation. Recognizing this change, Confluence adapted its wilderness therapy model by integrating nightly returns to their residential property, increasing accessibility through insurance coverage, and expanding services with Arete Transitions and a new Intensive Outpatient Program (IOP) in Burlington.
Bill emphasizes the importance of evolving treatment approaches to address the current mental health crisis among young adults. He notes that while the need for mental health services has risen, options have narrowed due to societal shifts and decreased parental willingness to engage in more challenging therapeutic interventions. Through innovative programs and a focus on integrating adventure therapy with clinical practices, Confluence aims to provide effective support tailored to the unique challenges faced by today's youth.
In this episode Will reconnects with Derek Daley, co-founder of Legacy Outdoor Adventures and a seasoned professional with over 25 years in wilderness therapy. Derek shares how Legacy has evolved since its inception in 2012, focusing on adults aged 18 to 35. He discusses their unique approach of combining epic adventure therapy—such as canyoneering, rock climbing, and skiing in southern Utah—with strong clinical practices to create meaningful and effective treatment experiences and a hybrid model of residential treatment and outdoor adventures. Derek highlights the importance of engaging clients who choose to participate willingly, which enhances the therapeutic process and outcomes.
The conversation delves into the broader changes and challenges within the wilderness therapy field, including increased scrutiny, the impact of technology and screen time on young adults, and the closure of several programs. Derek addresses criticisms of wilderness therapy by advocating for greater transparency, accountability, and the need to demonstrate measurable outcomes. He emphasizes that despite challenges, wilderness therapy remains one of the most compassionate and effective forms of treatment. Derek also shares his passion for engaging the next generation of mental health professionals through initiatives like the upcoming 2025 HIP (Healing in Progress) Tour to college campuses.
In the opening episode of Season 21, host Will White delves into the significant transformations occurring within the wilderness therapy field for adolescents and young adults, paralleling them with the impacts of climate change on our environment. He reflects on the "Great Collapse" between 2007 and 2010, when the number of wilderness therapy programs dramatically decreased due to economic pressures from the Great Recession. Drawing striking parallels to recent events, Will discusses how the closure of seven wilderness therapy programs in the last two years mirrors that earlier contraction, signaling a new period of challenge and change in the field. He also explores how these challenges echo those faced by longstanding outdoor organizations like the Boy Scouts of America, NOLS, and Outward Bound, highlighting how declining enrollments, controversies and technology have impacted the broader outdoor experiential field.
Despite challenges like increased operational risks, changing market demands, and heightened public scrutiny, some programs have demonstrated remarkable resilience and continue to adapt to the evolving landscape. Will announces that this season will feature interviews with leaders from enduring programs to explore how they've navigated these challenges and what they envision for the future of outdoor behavioral healthcare. Emphasizing the importance of stepping away from screens and engaging with the real world, he encourages listeners to embrace the outdoors as a powerful platform for mental health treatment. The episode sets the stage for a season focused on adaptation, resilience, and the ongoing impact of wilderness therapy on young lives.
In this episode Will sits down with Dr. Alison LaFollette, the Clinical Director of Mountain Valley Treatment Center. Alison shares her journey from conducting neuropsychological evaluations in several of Utah's wilderness therapy programs to leading the clinical team at Mountain Valley. She discusses the integration of Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) therapy with outdoor experiential activities at Mountain Valley, highlighting how natural settings like the Zen Garden, farm, outdoor climbing wall and hiking trails enhance therapeutic outcomes for adolescents and young adults struggling with anxiety and OCD. The conversation delves into the rising levels of social anxiety among young people, the impact of the pandemic on mental health, and the importance of family involvement in treatment.
Alison also explores the similarities between ERP and adventure therapy, emphasizing the value of taking committed action in accordance with one's values. She reflects on the challenges facing behavioral healthcare organizations, including staff burnout and program sustainability, offering insights into how Mountain Valley addresses these issues. The episode concludes with Alison sharing how she utilizes the outdoors for her own mental well-being and her excitement about future innovations at Mountain Valley, such as expanding experiential components and fostering team synergy.
In this episode Will talks with Hayley Caddes, co-founder of Not Therapy Coaching, about her powerful personal journey through wilderness therapy and an all-girls therapeutic boarding school. Hayley shares how these experiences inspired her to help others who have gone through treatment, creating a unique coaching model that fills the gap between traditional therapy and the support needed to thrive in everyday life. She discusses how peer mentorship, structure, and community play pivotal roles in recovery and growth after treatment.
Hayley also addresses the controversies surrounding wilderness therapy and the closures of the programs she attended, taking a business-minded approach to understanding the challenges faced by the industry. She reflects on how successful programs are, those that not only offer quality care but also adapt to the evolving mental health landscape. From selling her first startup, Chill Pill, to running Not Therapy Coaching, Hayley’s story is one of empowerment, recovery, resilience, and entrepreneurial spirit. Tune in to learn how wilderness therapy shaped her path and how she is paying it forward to others on their mental health journeys.
In this powerful episode Will speaks with JD and his mother, Amber, as they recount their powerful journey through wilderness therapy. JD opens up about the struggles that led him down a dangerous path of substance abuse, starting as a teen during the COVID-19 pandemic. Amber shares the difficult decision to send JD to a wilderness therapy program in Utah, and how the experience not only saved his life but transformed their family. Together, they discuss the challenging process of recovery, manipulation, and ultimately the breakthrough that wilderness therapy provided.
As September is National Recovery Month, this episode highlights the healing potential of wilderness therapy for addiction and mental health recovery. JD and Amber's story is a testament to the life-changing impact of being in nature, far from the destructive influences of modern life. Their conversation touches on the urgent need for support, as many wilderness therapy programs are closing despite their success in helping young people recover from addiction.
In this deeply moving episode Will sits down with Melissa and Graham Squier, founders of the Harlan Serenity Foundation. This foundation, created in memory of their late son, Chris Squier, supports young people struggling with addiction by providing access to wilderness therapy programs. The interview takes a poignant turn when Will realizes he had interviewed Chris back in 2020, unaware that Chris would later lose his battle with addiction. This realization, combined with the ongoing closures of critical wilderness therapy programs, makes for an emotional conversation about the profound impact of wilderness therapy on those struggling with addiction.
Melissa and Graham share Chris’s journey—from his initial struggles with addiction to finding sobriety through wilderness therapy, and later becoming a field guide to help others on the same path. They discuss the creation of the Harlan Serenity Foundation, its mission, and the importance of keeping wilderness therapy programs alive in a time when they are needed more than ever. This episode is a testament to the healing power of nature and the enduring legacy of those who have benefited from it.
Link to the Harlan Serenity Foundation.
Episode with Chris Squire which was released in September of 2020.
In this episode Will talks with Dr. Denise Mitten, a pioneering figure in outdoor education, adventure, and wilderness therapy. Denise shares her journey from her early days in the 1970s, overcoming gender barriers in a male-dominated field, to co-founding the influential Woodswomen organization, which focused on emotional safety and support in outdoor programs. Throughout the conversation, Denise discusses the evolution of outdoor therapy emphasizing the importance of creating safe, relational environments rather than relying on stress-based models. Her insights into the ethics of care, the role of women in the field, and the shift towards eco-psychology offer listeners a profound understanding of how wilderness experiences can foster deep personal growth and healing.
Denise also reflects on the importance of relational connection in outdoor programs, critiquing the traditional "power over" models often seen in wilderness therapy. She advocates for a more deliberate and thoughtful approach to risk-taking, where the focus is on maintaining comfort and regulation rather than pushing participants beyond their limits. Her teachings challenge the field to embrace inclusivity, sustainability, and a deeper connection with nature, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of outdoor therapy and education.
In this episode Will talks with Sheldon Nelson, founder of Crossroads Discovery and a veteran of the wilderness therapy field. Sheldon discusses the inspiration behind Crossroads Discovery, a program that bridges the gap between traditional wilderness therapy and ongoing support for adolescents and their families. He highlights the unique approach of offering short-term wilderness immersion experiences that emphasize not only survival skills but also personal growth and self-discovery. Sheldon shares how the program evolved to meet the needs of families seeking continued guidance after their children completed the wilderness programs, integrating in-home coaching and nature-based activities into their everyday lives.
Sheldon also reflects on his extensive career, including his years at Anasazi Foundation, one of the oldest wilderness therapy programs for adolescents in the country. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on a change of heart over mere behavior modification and how this philosophy underpins the work at Crossroads Discovery. The episode offers a deep dive into the current state of wilderness therapy, its challenges, and its potential future, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in the field of adolescent mental health and outdoor experiential therapy.
In this episode, Will talks with Andy Benckart, a former wilderness therapy participant whose transformative journey has led him to pursue a master's degree in social work. Andy shares how his time in wilderness therapy helped him confront and process deep-seated anxiety and trauma, giving him the clarity and tools needed to rebuild his life. Through a technique referred to as brainspotting and the guidance of a compassionate therapist outdoors, Andy discovered new strengths within himself, setting him on a path toward helping others.
Reflecting on his experiences as both a participant and later as a staff member in a young adult residential treatment program in Maine, Andy offers a nuanced perspective on the benefits and challenges of wilderness therapy and residential treatment. He discusses the importance of being ready for change, the value of outdoor experiences in mental health recovery, and his commitment to using his journey to support others in similar situations. Andy also shares how surfing in Maine has helped him to be the best version of himself. This episode is a powerful testament to the healing power of nature and the potential for personal growth through mental health treatment in the outdoors.
In this episode Will talks with Ciara Fanlo, founder of Homing Instinct, to discuss her transformative journey from a “troubled teen” to a dedicated mentor for adolescents. Ciara opens up about her personal struggles with depression, anxiety, and self-harm, and how wilderness therapy played a pivotal role in her recovery. She candidly addresses the pros and cons of teen treatment programs, highlighting how these experiences have deeply informed her approach to mentoring.
Ciara shares how her time in wilderness therapy provided new perspectives and coping mechanisms, while also acknowledging the challenges and shortcomings she faced in therapeutic boarding school. These insights have shaped Homing Instinct, her mentoring program that focuses on understanding the unique needs of teenagers. By combining her personal experiences with professional training, Ciara offers tailored support to help teens navigate their emotional landscapes, build healthy relationships, and find a sense of purpose. This episode offers a nuanced look at the impact of teen treatment programs and the importance of compassionate mentorship.
In this episode Will welcomes Kim Sacksteder and Nick Magle-Haberek from Adventure-Therapist.com to share their story. Discover how they have expanded their training and supervision programs, emphasizing safety, clinical efficacy, and the integration of outdoor activities into therapeutic practices. Kim and Nick discuss their journey from initial training sessions to becoming leading voices in adventure therapy, providing invaluable resources and training to clinicians across the country. Whether you're a mental health professional or someone interested in the transformative power of nature, this episode is packed with inspiration and practical insights.
We delve into the core components of adventure therapy training and certification, offering listeners a comprehensive overview of what it takes to incorporate these methods into their practice. From the significance of proper assessment and risk management to the unique challenges and rewards of working in outdoor settings, Kim and Nick provide a wealth of knowledge and experience. Tune in to hear about a collaboration with Prescott College, their published works, and their vision for the future of adventure therapy. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from two of the most dedicated professionals in the field.
Check out their website: https://www.adventure-therapist.com/
Episode 80 of Stories from the Field with Nick Magle-Haberek
Episode 108 of Stories from the Field with Kim Sacksteder
In this week’s episode Will sits down with Zack Shaffer, executive director of Mountain Valley Treatment Center, to discuss their recent hike up Mount Moosilauke. They recount the challenging Memorial Day hike with ten residents and adventure coordinator TJ Bauman, exploring the profound physical and emotional benefits of outdoor adventures in addressing anxiety. The episode delves into exposure therapy, adventure therapy, and the therapeutic effects of nature, highlighting how these experiences foster personal growth and resilience. Zack also shares a deeply personal story about the significance of the day, marking the anniversary of a close friend's passing, adding an emotional and reflective layer to the conversation.
Zack uses this episode to emphasize the center's mission of helping adolescents and young adults overcome anxiety and related disorders through innovative therapeutic practices. He discusses the importance of creating opportunities for residents to step outside their comfort zones and embrace challenges, reinforcing the center's commitment to fostering an exposure-based lifestyle. Zack's heartfelt narrative and dedication to mental health advocacy resonate throughout the episode, making it a compelling listen for anyone interested in the transformative power of therapy and nature. This compelling conversation between Zack and Will offers listeners valuable insights into the intersection of mental health treatment and the outdoors.
In this episode, Will welcomes David Segal and Bonnie Dyck from the Human Nature Counselling Society. They dive deep into their journeys into nature-based therapy, sharing how personal experiences and a profound connection to the natural world led them to the field. David discusses the systemic and experiential approach of Human Nature Counselling, emphasizing the importance of reconnecting individuals and families with nature to foster mental health and well-being. Bonnie elaborates on the comprehensive training programs they offer, designed to equip therapists with the skills needed to integrate nature into their practice effectively.
Listeners will gain insight into the transformative power of nature-based therapy through heartwarming stories of clients who have found healing and growth through their unique approach. From reducing anxiety in children to helping adults overcome trauma, David and Bonnie illustrate how their methods bridge the gap between human and ecological systems. They also discuss the future of their work, highlighting their commitment to accessibility, community collaboration, and supporting indigenous initiatives that reconnect people with their ancestral lands. This episode is a testament to the profound impact of nature on mental health and the innovative ways Human Nature Counselling is leading the field.
David Segal is also the co-author of the book, Nature-Based Therapy: A Practitioner’s Guide to Working Outdoors with Children, Youth, and Families.
Nevin Harper, co-author of Nature-Based Therapy: A Practitioner’s Guide to Working Outdoors with Children, Youth, and Families is also mentioned in this episode, and he had previously been on this podcast. Here is the link to Nevin’s episode.
Katie Asmus, from the Somatic Nature Therapy Institute, is also mentioned in this episode and has previously been on this podcast. Here is the link to Katie’s episode.
In this episode, Will talks with Colin MacDonald, co-founder of Not Therapy Coaching. Colin shares his journey from being a wilderness therapy client and therapeutic boarding school student to graduating college and then entering the work-force. Not finding deep meaning in his initial career path, Colin decided to become a certified young adult life coach to help others. He recounts the challenges he faced as an adolescent, including struggles with ADHD, depression, and substance abuse, and how wilderness therapy helped him turn his life around. Colin also discusses the mission of Not Therapy Coaching, which aims to bridge the gap between therapeutic programs and successful transitions to home, college, or independent living. He emphasizes the importance of spending time outdoors for mental health and how it benefits both him and his clients.
Colin further explains the unique approach of Not Therapy Coaching, highlighting the role of relatable mentorship and community building. He details how the program supports young adults and teens by providing daily accountability, fostering healthy habits, and helping them find communities that support their interests and goals. Colin's passion for helping others through his lived experience is evident as he shares success stories of clients who have benefited from the program. This episode offers valuable insights into the transformative power of wilderness therapy and the innovative ways Not Therapy Coaching is making a difference in the lives of young people.
In this episode Will talks with Dr. Patrick McMillon and Alex White from Westminster University in Utah. They discuss the Graduate Certificate in Adventure Therapy, a program designed to train clinicians in integrating adventure therapy into their practice. Dr. McMillon, the program coordinator, shares insights on the program's structure, which includes three intensive courses focused on theory, professional practice, and clinical application. Alex White, with over ten years of experience, highlights how the program prepares students to implement effective, ethical, and culturally relevant adventure therapy.
The episode also delves into the practical aspects of the certification, emphasizing its suitability for mental health and recreational therapists, as well as students in Westminster’s Clinical Mental Health Counseling program. The guests discuss the growing interest in adventure therapy, the program's community impact, and the career benefits for graduates. Listeners will gain a comprehensive understanding of how this certification can enhance their therapeutic practices and contribute to the broader field of mental health treatment.
Link to Westminster University Adventure Therapy Certification page.
In this timely episode, Jessica Miller from the Salt Lake Tribune shares insights from her investigative article on the closures of wilderness therapy programs for teens in Utah. She discusses the factors driving these closures, such as negative media attention and financial challenges. Jessica provides an in-depth look at the current state of wilderness therapy in Utah and explains how the state government regulates the field. Tune in for an eye-opening discussion that sheds light on this crucial topic.
Jessica Miller, an investigative reporter from the Salt Lake Tribune, reveals the significant challenges she faced while investigating the wilderness therapy industry. Despite numerous attempts, many within the industry were hesitant to speak with her, highlighting the difficulty of uncovering the full story. Jessica discusses the complexities of reporting on wilderness therapy, the importance of fair representation, and the delicate balance of presenting unbiased information. This episode offers a unique perspective on the role of journalism in shedding light on sensitive issues.
Jessica’s article is titled “Nearly half of Utah’s wilderness programs for “troubled teens” closed in the last year. Here’s what’s happening"- Salt Lake Tribue- Link here if podcast platforms let you use it.
Jessica Miller’s bio from Salt Lake Tribune- "Jessica is an investigative reporter at The Salt Lake Tribune, where she has worked since 2011. She was part of the team that won a 2017 Pulitzer Prize, and she is a two-time Livingston Award finalist. She has collaborated with several national outlets for investigative projects, including FRONTLINE, American Public Media and ProPublica."
In this episode Will chats with David Wynn, LCMHC, an outdoor mental health provider from Blue Ridge Treks. David shares his transformative journey from a river guide and camp mentor to a mental health professional, revealing how natural environments play a crucial role in psychological healing. He delves into the power of nature to transcend traditional therapy boundaries, offering clients a unique blend of psychological insight and environmental interaction. David discusses his approach to integrating therapeutic techniques with outdoor experiences, providing profound insights into how physical spaces can influence mental health treatment.
As a professional who transitioned from conventional to outdoor settings, David illustrates through personal anecdotes and professional experiences the therapeutic benefits of engaging with the natural world. This episode not only highlights his methods and successes but also explores the broader implications of outdoor mental health practices, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in alternative and effective approaches to mental wellness.
In this compelling episode, Will engages with Cash Lambert about his groundbreaking new book, "Surf Therapy: The Evidence-Based Science for Physical, Mental, and Emotional Well-being." Cash discusses his evolution from a journalism student, initially participating in a surf therapy event to fulfill volunteer hours, to an author dedicated to documenting the profound impacts of surf therapy. His journey began with witnessing the transformative effects of surfing on children with autism, leading to his first book, “Waves of Healing: How Surfing Changes the Lives of Children with Autism” that captured these life-altering experiences. His narrative weaves together heartfelt stories and the significant changes observed in participants and volunteers alike, which fueled his passion for advocating surf therapy’s benefits.
The conversation further explores Cash’s latest book, which expands the examination of surf therapy to a wider audience, including veterans and individuals suffering from PTSD. This book is supported by extensive research and aims to legitimize surf therapy as a recognized therapeutic method. Throughout the interview, Cash shares powerful testimonials and research findings, highlighting the unique benefits of surf therapy and his vision for its future as a mainstream therapeutic option. His dedication to enhancing understanding and acceptance of surf therapy shines through as he details the journey of bringing these healing practices to a global audience.
To connect with Cash or buy his book use this link.
In this episode, Will talks with Will Cockrell, author of the new book, "Everest Inc.: The Renegades and Rogues Who Built an Industry at the Top of the World." Cockrell delves into the untold stories of the Everest guiding industry, offering a nuanced perspective that challenges the sensational narratives often associated with Everest. His book presents a counter-narrative, focusing on the complexity of the industry and the passionate individuals involved, rather than the common portrayals of chaos and disaster on the mountain.
Cockrell explains his motivations for writing the book, highlighting his desire to address the oversimplified and often negative depiction of Everest in popular media. He shares insights from his conversations with key figures in the guiding industry, revealing a history driven by passion rather than mere profit. The discussion also touches on personal accounts from other notable climbers and their transformative experiences on Everest, underscoring the deeply personal and varied reasons people are drawn to the mountain.
The episode concludes with a discussion on the potential impacts of Cockrell's book on public perception of Everest, aiming to enrich the listener's understanding of the guiding industry's complexities. Cockrell's in-depth research and fresh perspectives invite listeners to reconsider the narrative surrounding one of the world's most iconic peaks.
To find out more about Will Cockrell and to buy his book check out his website: https://www.willcockrell.com/
In this episode, Will talks with Bryn Lottig who shares her compelling journey from an aspiring pilot changed by 9/11 to a pioneering force in the field of outdoor experiential education. Through her personal experiences with adversity, including a challenging childhood and a transformative experience with Outward Bound, Bryn discovered her passion for the outdoors and its profound impact on personal development. This realization led her to pursue a career that not only embraces adventure but also utilizes it as a tool for fostering social and emotional growth in individuals.
Bryn co-founded Kikori, a digital platform that epitomizes her commitment to democratizing experiential education. Kikori aims to bridge the gap between outdoor activities and educational curricula, providing educators and students alike with access to resources that promote social and emotional learning through adventure. The platform reflects Bryn's belief in the power of community and collaboration, featuring thousands of activities contributed by hundreds of educators, designed to cater to a diverse range of needs from early childhood education to corporate team building.
"No Child Left Inside," Bryn's new book, encapsulates her vision for integrating character development into education via outdoor experiential learning. The book serves as both a memoir and a guide, offering insights into the science behind experiential learning, practical activities, and the personal stories that inspired Bryn's work. Through her narrative, Bryn advocates for a shift in educational paradigms, emphasizing the importance of equipping the next generation with the resilience, empathy, and leadership skills needed to navigate the challenges of the 21st century. Her story is a testament to the transformative power of the outdoors and its essential role in shaping confident, compassionate individuals.
In this special episode, Will sheds light on the upheaval in the wilderness therapy landscape, particularly spotlighting the closure of Embark Behavioral Health's New Visions Wilderness Therapy programs. This narrative delves into the broader implications of private equity's role in the mental health care industry, with a focus on how these financial underpinnings have influenced the recent pivot away from wilderness therapy models, especially in the context of adolescent treatment. The episode underscores the closure of not just New Visions in Wisconsin and Deschutes Wilderness Therapy but notes a startling trend: the total cessation of ten adolescent wilderness therapy programs in the past year alone, signaling a seismic shift in the field.
In discussing New Visions Wilderness Therapy, the episode shares a brief history of the program and spotlights the utilization of trauma-informed care as a factor in its growth and success. The incorporation of trauma-informed practices into their treatment model did play a role in differentiating New Visions in a growing behavioral healthcare marketplace, aiding in its expansion and the subsequent interest from larger, investment-driven entities. This examination underscores the complexity of the adolescent wilderness therapy field, where clinical innovation intersects with business interests, leading to significant changes in the availability and approach to adolescent mental health care.
This episode navigates through the nuances of these closures and the broader implications for the changing wilderness therapy landscape, offering a dive into the intersection of financial decisions, clinical practices, and the changing dynamics of adolescent mental health treatment. As the wilderness therapy sector faces this pivotal juncture, White's analysis provides essential insights for professionals, families, and stakeholders, charting the ongoing evolution of treatment modalities in the face of economic and clinical challenges.
Article and podcast episodes talked about in this episode:
Wilderness Therapy Industry's Decline Accelerated by Embark Behavioral Health's Exit
Podcast episode with Steve Sawyer in which we talk about trauma-informed care
Podcast Interview with Drew Hornbeck, Co-founder of New Visions
Podcast Interview with Steve Sawyer, Co-founder of New Visions
In this enlightening conversation, Will talks with Tripp Johnson who shares his unique journey into behavioral healthcare and his evolution into a social entrepreneur. His accidental entry into the field, catalyzed by personal challenges with alcohol and a transformative exploration of mindfulness and yoga, marks the start of his commitment to improving mental health care. Tripp discusses his foundational experiences, including his time at West Point, his military service, and his eventual pivot towards integrating his passion for holistic wellness into his professional life. This journey led him to co-found Green Hill Recovery, focusing on helping young adults navigate life's challenges through integrated treatment programs that blend academic, career development, and mindfulness practices.
Throughout the conversation, Tripp delves into the challenges and successes of shifting from private pay to an insurance-driven model, emphasizing the importance of accessibility, affordability, and quality of treatment. He critiques the private pay segment of the industry for often prioritizing marketing and referral relationships over clinical sophistication and advocates for systemic changes to make high-quality care accessible to a broader demographic. Tripp's approach, inspired by his personal growth journey and professional experiences, underscores the need for the healthcare industry to innovate and adapt to serve clients better and ensure sustainability.
The interview concludes with Tripp's vision for the future, where he hopes to see an industry that continues to innovate and provide care that is both high quality and accessible to all. He discusses his role in leading an innovation-focused offshoot to develop back-office systems and technology to streamline processes and enhance patient care. Tripp's story is a compelling call to action for the behavioral healthcare industry to evolve and embrace models that prioritize patient well-being, accessibility, and the integration of holistic practices into treatment methodologies.
We want to thank Adventure Recovery for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on Stories from the Field.com.
In this episode Will sits down with Nate Bennick, the National Field Director for Adventure Recovery, to dive into the transformative power of combining mental health treatment with outdoor adventures. Nate shares his personal journey from battling addiction to finding solace and strength in the wilderness, leading him to his role in Adventure Recovery. Nate's story exemplifies the impact of nature-based immersions and adventure in fostering recovery and self-discovery, resonating with anyone looking for a path to healing outside the conventional therapy rooms.
Nate shares his story from working in the confines of traditional residential treatment programs to the expansive possibilities offered by wilderness therapy. The episode delves into how Adventure Recovery leverages adventure and the natural world as vehicles for change, providing individuals in recovery with opportunities to challenge themselves, enhance resilience, and cultivate a sense of community. It further highlights the operational aspects of Adventure Recovery, including the preparation and certification of guides, the array of activities available, and the tailored support provided to clients on their recovery journeys.
This episode not only illuminates the innovative approach of Adventure Recovery but also stands as a tribute to the therapeutic potential of the outdoors. Nate's dedication to aiding others in finding their recovery path through adventure is both moving and motivational, making this episode essential listening for anyone interested in the confluence of mental health treatment and outdoor exploration.
We want to thank Adventure Recovery for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on Stories from the Field.com.
In this episode Will talks with Dan Schmader, the Program Director at Foundation House, to delve into the therapeutic integration of outdoor activities in the realm of mental health and addiction recovery. Schmader unveils the unique approach of Foundation House, located in Portland, Maine, emphasizing its dedication to males aged 17 to 35. He outlines the transition journey of residents from structured care environments to a blend of Partial Hospitalization Programs (PHP) and Intensive Outpatient Programs (IOP), all while residing in a sober living house. Schmader highlights the program's success in leveraging the natural beauty and resources of Portland and Bethel, Maine, to foster recovery through a diverse array of outdoor activities, including wilderness outings, sports, and life skills workshops.
The conversation further explores the profound impact of outdoor adventures on the residents' recovery process. Schmader shares personal anecdotes and the transformative experiences of participating in both local and international expeditions, such as service work in the US Virgin Islands and trekking in Patagonia. These adventures, rooted in challenges, accountability, and teamwork, significantly contribute to the mental, spiritual, and physical facets of recovery. Schmader’s own journey from a resident to a leading figure at Foundation House underscores the profound personal and communal growth facilitated by the program.
Conclusively, this episode not only sheds light on Foundation House's innovative treatment model but also underscores the invaluable role of outdoor activities in healing and recovery. The discussion vividly illustrates how embracing adventure, confronting challenges, and fostering connections can pave the way for a renewed sense of purpose and well-being among individuals battling addiction.
We want to thank Adventure Recovery for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on Stories from the Field.com.
In this enlightening episode Will sits down with Dr. Madolyn Liebing, a historical figure in the wilderness therapy field and the clinical director at Legacy Outdoor Adventures and Juniper Recovery Center. Dr. Liebing provides an in-depth look at their blended program for adults, which combines intensive clinical therapy with experiential outdoor adventures, designed to support smoother transitions for clients into their communities. She discusses the therapeutic modalities employed, such as EMDR and emotion-focused therapy, and underscores the importance of addressing trauma, substance abuse, and family dynamics within a nurturing, natural environment.
Dr. Liebing candidly addresses the controversies surrounding wilderness therapy for adolescents, including the criticism following the Netflix documentary "Hell Camp: Teen Nightmare." She shares her concerns about the field including transporting teens as well as generalizations that have tarnished the reputation of wilderness therapy, emphasizing the rigorous safety protocols and therapeutic benefits of well-run programs. Through personal anecdotes and client stories, Dr. Liebing illustrates the profound transformations that can occur when individuals are given the opportunity to heal in the wilderness, away from the pressures and distractions of their usual environments.
The episode takes a deeper dive into the challenges faced by the wilderness therapy field, with Dr. Liebing reflecting on the closures of adolescent wilderness programs and the impact of social media and public perception. Despite these hurdles, she remains optimistic about the future of wilderness therapy, advocating for the expansion of outdoor-based therapeutic models that can reach more individuals in need. Dr. Liebing's insights not only highlight the innovative work being done at Legacy Outdoor Adventures and Juniper Recovery Center but also champion the crucial role of nature in recovery and personal growth, offering a powerful counter-narrative to the skepticism surrounding the field.
We want to thank Adventure Recovery for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on Stories from the Field.com.
In this episode Will sits down with Roy DuPrez, CEO and Founder of Back2Basics, an outdoor-based recovery program in Arizona. Roy shares his personal journey of recovery, beginning with his early struggles with alcohol and substance abuse in Venice Beach, California. He describes the allure of alcohol in his youth, influenced by his social environment and the perception of success and attractiveness associated with drinking. Roy's journey through addiction led to various consequences, including legal troubles and professional setbacks.
Moving to Flagstaff, Arizona, for a fresh start, Roy found a shift in his life. Despite continuing his drinking habits initially, he eventually reached a turning point in 2001, leading him to embrace recovery and sobriety. This transformation was bolstered by outdoor experiences, such as visiting the Grand Canyon, which provided a profound sense of perspective and renewal.
Roy shares the story of starting Back2Basics in 2010, combining his experiences with a unique recovery model that integrates outdoor expeditions with clinical therapy. The program, initially private pay but later accepting insurance, targets young men aged 18 to 35, offering a 90-day minimum stay with most staying longer. This approach allows for the planting of seeds of recovery, personal growth, and the development of life skills in a supportive environment.
We want to thank Adventure Recovery for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on Stories from the Field.com.
In this enlightening episode Will welcomes Mike Hench from At the Crossroads, a program dedicated to helping young adults navigate the challenges of transitioning to adulthood. Mike shares the inspiring journey of At the Crossroads, which began in 2005 as a brainchild of Brian and Shannon Virgin, aimed at helping young adults in less restrictive environments than traditional residential programs. The program, located in St. George, Utah, offers a unique blend of real-life experiences, community integration, and outdoor experiences, catering to young adults struggling with issues like social anxiety, depression, and substance use.
Mike delves into the evolution of client demographics at the At the Crossroads program, noting a shift towards individuals with complex psychological issues rather than substance abuse. He emphasizes the therapeutic power of nature, sharing personal experiences of transformative moments with clients during outdoor activities like hiking. These interactions highlight the significant role of nature in promoting mental wellness and personal growth.
The episode also touches on the broader landscape of mental health and outdoor therapy, specifically the wilderness therapy field. Mike discusses the challenges and changes in the field, including the impact of the pandemic and shifts in treatment models. He underlines the importance of innovative approaches and the increasing need for services that address unique modern challenges faced by young adults.
We want to thank Adventure Recovery for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on Stories from the Field.com.
In this special episode Will discusses the announcement of the upcoming closure of Open Sky Wilderness Therapy, marking a significant moment in the private pay, adolescent-focused wilderness therapy sector. This closure is part of a larger trend, as Open Sky is the fifth program of its kind to shut down within a year. The episode offers an in-depth analysis of these closures, examining common challenges such as shifting societal perceptions, increased competition from other types of mental health treatment, and economic difficulties.
Listeners are taken through a journey beginning with a reading of Open Sky's closure announcement, offering a personal and direct insight into the issues faced by the program. The episode revisits previous interviews with Open Sky employees, highlighting their dedication to providing exceptional outdoor mental health care for adolescents. In a reflective essay, the Will draws parallels between the current state of wilderness therapy and a 'winter' phase – a time for introspection and preparation for future growth.
Significantly, the episode also revisits a January 2021 interview with Kenneth Rosen, author of “Troubled: The Failed Promise of America’s Behavioral Treatment Programs”, who had predicted these closures in a conversation with Will. This discussion offers a unique perspective on the challenges and criticisms facing the adolescent wilderness therapy sector, providing a comprehensive understanding of its evolution and the potential paths forward. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the complex dynamics of wilderness therapy and the factors shaping its future.
We want to thank Adventure Recovery for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on Stories from the Field.com.
In this episode, Will talks with Tommy Rosen, founder of Recovery 2.0, for a profound exploration of overcoming addiction through holistic healing. The episode opens with a poignant tribute to the late Adam Tsapis, a key figure in both their lives, setting the tone for a conversation deeply rooted in personal transformation and the power of human connection. Tommy shares his tumultuous journey through addiction, emphasizing the life-changing moment of hitting rock bottom and the subsequent spiritual awakening that led him to over 32 years of sobriety. His narrative is not just his own but echoes the struggles and hopes of many who tread the challenging path of recovery.
As the conversation unfolds, Tommy expresses concern about pharmacological interventions in addiction treatment, advocating for a more encompassing and humane approach. He passionately discusses Recovery 2.0, a program he developed that emphasizes a holistic recovery path involving yoga, meditation, dietary mindfulness, time in the outdoors, and community support. He underscores the importance of adapting twelve-step programs to the current era, making them more accessible and relevant to individuals seeking help today. His perspective is not just about overcoming addiction but also about embracing a journey toward overall wellness and sustained mental health.
In the third part of the discussion, Tommy emphasizes the transformational power of embracing life's subtleties and finding joy in everyday experiences as a fundamental part of recovery. He stresses that recovery is not the end of the road but the beginning of a more conscious, connected way of living. His message is one of hope, stressing that recovery is possible for anyone willing to embrace change and seek a deeper connection with themselves and the world around them. The episode concludes with Tommy imparting a poignant message to the Tsapis family and all listeners, affirming the enduring power of love, connection, and resilience in the face of adversity. His story and insights offer a beacon of hope and a testament to the strength of the human spirit in overcoming the challenges of addiction and mental health.
We want to thank Adventure Recovery for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on Stories from the Field.com.
In this first episode of 2024 Will talks with Melanie Gulde, the visionary program director of Divided Sky Recovery in Vermont. In this enlightening episode, listeners will delve into the heart of Divided Sky, a unique residential recovery program with an outdoor component co-founded by Melanie Gulde and Trey Anastasio of the renowned band Phish. Discover the inspiring history behind Divided Sky, its name derived from a Phish song, and explore its distinctive, holistic approach to addiction recovery.
Learn about the challenges Melanie and Trey faced while creating a facility dedicated to transforming lives through emotional sobriety, mindfulness, and a profound connection with nature. Melanie shares her personal journey, and the pivotal role nature plays in mental health and well-being. With a focus on outdoor activities like hiking and trail building, Divided Sky emphasizes the healing power of the outdoors, offering a sanctuary for those seeking recovery.
Understand the commitment of Divided Sky to make recovery accessible, offering scholarships and a testament to Melanie and Trey’s passion for outdoor mental health treatment. This episode is not just a story of a recovery program but a tale of resilience, compassion, and the transformative power of nature in mental health. Tune into this compelling episode to get a deep insight into the innovative approach of Divided Sky Recovery.
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Welcome to the premiere episode of Season 18 of Stories from the Field! This season, our spotlight is on addiction and recovery, and we're thrilled to have Adventure Recovery as our underwriter—a recognized leader in the realms of recovery and outdoor leadership.
In this episode, we sit down with Tim Walsh, the visionary founder of Adventure Recovery, and Josh Flaherty, now the executive director and a key partner in the organization. Tim shares his profound journey of recovery and how reconnecting with nature played a pivotal role in his healing process. His transformation inspired the creation of Adventure Recovery, a unique fusion of outdoor leadership and recovery principles. Josh, who transitioned from being a client to becoming an integral part of Adventure Recovery, recounts his path and highlights how the organization empowers individuals in recovery to become outdoor guides, seamlessly integrating mental health and substance use disorder recovery with valuable outdoor skills.
We delve into the array of training programs offered by Adventure Recovery, such as rock climbing, whitewater skills, and sea kayaking. These programs not only teach outdoor skills but also foster resilience and coping abilities, with nature serving as a profound teacher. Throughout the episode, we explore the transformative impact of these outdoor experiences on individuals in recovery, sharing inspiring stories of clients who triumphed over significant challenges.
As we wrap up, Tim and Josh emphasize their commitment to outdoor activities and their role in maintaining their own recovery and well-being. We conclude by highlighting the profound transformative power of nature and adventure in the recovery process, which extends beyond clients to the guides themselves. Join us on this journey of hope, healing, and inspiration.
To learn more about Adventure Recovery the sponsor of this season of addiction and recovery, at Adventure Recovery.
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In this special episode of "Stories from the Field," host Will White shares his transformative experience at the Soul Degree retreat, a unique blend of outdoor therapy and holistic practices. Will's candid discussion reveals his struggles with mental health and how the retreat, founded by Chris Robbins, played a pivotal role in his journey towards healing. The episode delves into the power of nature, connection, and vulnerability in addressing mental health challenges, particularly for men.
Will's narrative begins with a personal crisis, leading him to Soul Degree. This retreat, combining elements like yoga, long hikes, breathwork, cold plunges, and group discussions, helped him confront his loneliness, trauma, and depression. It was a space for authentic connection and support among men facing similar struggles.
Chris Robbins, Soul Degree founder, joins the conversation to share his transformational journey. Chris shares his path from a corporate career to establishing Soul Degree is marked by introspection and a deep connection with nature. His approach to mental wellness emphasizes the importance of presence, listening, and community among men.
The episode concludes with reflections on the lasting impact of the retreat. Will emphasizes the importance of self-care, outdoor activities, and expressing love and gratitude. His experience at Soul Degree is a testament to the healing power of community, nature, and self-discovery.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives at storiesfromthefield.com and learn more or to contact Will White.
In this enlightening episode, we talk with Dr. Stephanie Marti, a pioneering adventure psychotherapist. The discussion begins with an introduction to Stephanie's unique therapeutic approach, which elegantly combines mental health services with experiential learning and adventure, all within the embrace of nature's beauty in Marin County, California.
Stephanie shares her journey as a teen, deeply intertwined with her professional evolution. She traces her passion for adventure therapy to her father, a fervent outdoor enthusiast, and her experiences at Cascade School, which she attended as a teen. Stephanie discusses the controversies about the now-closed Cascade School and her experiences attending this therapeutic boarding school.
While studying for her doctorate in the late 1990s, despite initial academic challenges in finding information about wilderness therapy, Stephanie's persistence in researching wilderness therapy for her dissertation reveals her commitment to this innovative approach. Her study on a female-only trek at Catherine Freer Wilderness Therapy offers valuable insights into the healing powers of nature and adventure in therapy.
Throughout the episode, Stephanie articulates the significance of integrating physical activities with psychological healing, using compelling client stories to illustrate her methods. One particularly moving example involves a young girl overcoming trauma through rock climbing, highlighting the transformative potential of adventure psychotherapy. Stephanie also delves into the broader implications of her outpatient practice, advocating for the essential role of outdoor therapy in promoting wellness and fostering a deep connection with the environment.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives at storiesfromthefield.com and learn more about Mountain Valley Treatment Center, the sponsor of this season of anxiety, at mountainvalleytreatment.org.
In this enlightening episode we delve into the interplay of mental health and outdoor experiences, focusing on the therapeutic power of activities like rock climbing in addressing anxiety. We talk with Noah Kleiner, founder of Equinox Guiding Service in Maine, who shares his inspiring journey from a childhood immersed in nature to establishing a successful guiding service. Noah’s narrative unfolds through his experiences in various outdoor programs and the inception of Equinox, highlighting the profound impact of climbing in fostering self-awareness, resilience, and mental well-being.
This episode explores how rock and ice climbing provide more than just physical challenges; they offer unique opportunities for personal growth and confronting internal fears. Noah discusses the parallels and differences between his work and wilderness therapy, emphasizing the therapeutic, albeit non-clinical, benefits of climbing. He sheds light on the nuances of guiding diverse groups, addressing on-wall anxiety, and the importance of building trust in these adventures.
The conversation pivots to the entrepreneurial aspects of starting Equinox, revealing Noah's journey through the anxieties of business ownership and his commitment to providing enriching outdoor experiences. Finally, the discussion touches upon the evolving nature of outdoor education and psychotherapy, underscoring the value of awe-inspiring experiences in personal discovery and growth.
Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives at storiesfromthefield.com and learn more about Mountain Valley Treatment Center, the sponsor of this season of anxiety, at mountainvalleytreatment.org.
In this special episode, we explore the evolution of adventure therapy certifications with Fred Borroel, a humble leader in the field. Fred shares his journey into adventure therapy and his contributions through his private practice at San Antonio Adventure Therapy and as the Certification Chair at the Association for Experiential Education (AEE.org).
The discussion centers on the newly introduced Certified Clinical Adventure Therapist (CCAT) and Certified Therapeutic Adventure Specialist (CTAS) certifications. Fred delves into the history and rationale behind their development, the eligibility criteria, and the process of obtaining these prestigious credentials. He emphasizes the importance of inclusivity in the field, especially for professionals without traditional academic qualifications like a master's degree.
The episode also pays homage to trailblazers like Mark Ames and many others as well as reflects on the post-pandemic surge in outdoor therapeutic practices. Looking ahead, Fred discusses plans to expand the community of adventure-based therapists, including developing a CCAT Supervisor credential to mentor and support newcomers to the field.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center. This is a special episode focused on a special topic.
In this thought-provoking special episode of Stories from the Field, we delve into the "Post-Pandemic Wilderness Therapy: Seven Trends in Outdoor Mental Health Practices," exploring the transformative shifts that have emerged in therapeutic outdoor practices following the global pandemic. With the world having navigated through unprecedented times, the mental health field has seen a pivotal evolution, particularly in settings that embrace the healing powers of the outdoors.
Join us as we dissect seven significant trends that have come to the forefront of wilderness therapy and outdoor mental health treatment. From the increase in outdoor activities as a newfound sanctuary for mental well-being to the profound growth of outpatient practices that incorporate nature's therapeutic benefits, we investigate the multifaceted impacts of the pandemic on this unique sector of healthcare.
We also tackle the poignant decrease in enrollments for wilderness therapy programs, delving into the contributing factors, such as the influence of critical testimonies, financial constraints, and a shifting workforce landscape that has seen seasoned therapists pivot towards less demanding environments.
Additionally, we shed light on the rise of alternative residential treatment options funded by private equity, the burgeoning movement of critics and activists advocating for change within the wilderness therapy space, and the nuanced changes in parental anxieties and expectations regarding mental health treatment for their children.
Throughout the episode, Dr. Will White, a seasoned expert and passionate advocate for integrating natural environments in therapeutic practices, offers an in-depth analysis of these developments. Listeners are invited to consider the complexity of these shifts, recognizing that whether they are perceived as positive or negative may depend on one's perspective, echoing nature's lessons that change is the only constant. You can email Will at will@storiesfromthefield.com
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center. This is a special episode,
In this insightful episode of Stories from the Field, we welcome Dr. Heidi Schreiber-Pan, a pioneering figure in nature-informed therapy and the founder of the Center for Nature Informed Therapy. Dr. Heidi is not just an advocate for integrating the outdoors into mental health treatment; she is also a dedicated provider of training in this innovative field, offering valuable insights and guidance to both mental health professionals and outdoor educators. Her unique approach to treating individuals with anxiety, utilizing the healing power of nature, has proven to be an effective and transformative method of facilitating recovery and self-discovery.
Dr. Heidi's connection to nature and its therapeutic benefits is deeply rooted in her experiences, one of which she generously shares with us. Following a spiritual revelation she had after summiting a mountain in Austria, Dr. Heidi decided to dedicate her life to helping others unlock the benefits of nature in the counseling room. This profound moment led to the establishment of the Center for Nature Informed Therapy, which emphasizes the importance of nature as a crucial component of self-care and mental wellness. The center aims to equip mental health professionals with the necessary tools to incorporate nature into their practices, thereby broadening the scope of mental health treatment options available to those in need.
Further solidifying her commitment to enhancing mental wellness through nature, Dr. Heidi authored "Taming the Anxious Mind: A Guidebook to Relieve Stress and Anxiety," providing readers with practical strategies to manage anxiety by tapping into the calming effects of the natural world. This episode not only sheds light on the growing trend among mental health professionals to utilize the outdoors as a valuable ally in the journey toward mental wellness, but it also serves as a beacon of hope and inspiration for anyone seeking to harness the benefits of nature in their healing journey.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this story we delve into a hiking approach to psychotherapy with our guest, Aimee Frazier, the visionary behind Portland Hiking Therapy in Oregon. Aimee's outpatient mental health work revolves around the transformative practice of conducting psychotherapy sessions while hiking, individually and in groups. This innovative approach not only benefits her clients but also plays a crucial role in Aimee's journey as a mental health practitioner.
Aimee's hiking-based psychotherapy sessions offer a refreshing twist to traditional therapy. She combines the healing power of the natural world with therapeutic insights, creating a holistic and immersive experience for her clients. Whether it's a one-on-one session or a group excursion, Aimee harnesses the therapeutic potential of nature, encouraging clients to connect with their surroundings and tap into a more profound sense of self. During our conversation, Aimee also provided valuable insights into her work with individuals struggling with anxiety, shedding light on how the natural environment can be a powerful ally in managing and overcoming this common mental health challenge. This dual-purpose approach underscores the profound impact that nature and outdoor experiences can have on mental health, making Aimee's work a trailblazing example of how psychotherapy can harmonize with the natural world for the betterment of all involved. Join us for this enlightening conversation that explores the unique fusion of psychotherapy, hiking, and self-discovery.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode, we are thrilled to welcome Justin Messinger, a primary therapist at the Blue Ridge Therapeutic Wilderness Program located in Georgia. Justin shares the myriad challenges presented by today's world, from the relentless pace of technology to complex social dynamics, many adolescents often find themselves feeling adrift, searching for a sense of identity and belonging.
Drawing upon his experience in the field, Justin shares the transformative power of nature on the young mind. At the heart of this is a belief that basic outdoor living – from regular sleep patterns to the simple act of being in sunlight – has an inherent power to calm the human nervous system and provide a foundation for introspection.
But Justin's expertise doesn’t stop at the general youth population. He specializes in helping adolescent boys with neurodevelopmental and learning differences, a group that frequently grapples with feelings of isolation and frustration. Through the structure of Blue Ridge, these students find countless opportunities for social interactions, turning potential challenges into teachable moments. Nature, Justin believes, provides the safe space required to develop social skills, gain confidence, and ultimately, find belonging.
The episode delves deep into Justin’s clinical approach, which is characterized by warmth, empathy, and a commitment to individualized care. As he succinctly puts it, in order to truly effect change, both the individual and their family must be part of the therapeutic journey.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this enlightening episode of "Stories from the Field: Mental Health and the Outdoors," we sit down with Zack Schafer, the Executive Program Director at Mountain Valley Treatment Center. With a rich background in occupational therapy, Zack opens up about how the center uniquely addresses the challenges faced by young people battling anxiety and OCD. Listeners will gain a deeper understanding exposure response prevention (ERP) therapy, as Zack shares stories aboout this technique as well as juxtaposes ERP with adventure therapy and other ways to address anxiety. The conversation also delves into the intricacies of school phobia and the anxiety maintenance cycle, topics that resonate with many parents and young adults. As a special treat, Zack shares "Fear Less," his brand-new podcast co-hosted alongside Mountain Valley, CEO, Will Laughlin. Tune in to acquire invaluable insights, learn about transformative therapeutic methods, and understand the profound impact of ERP and the great outdoors on mental health.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
This week, we talk with Jake Weld, an experienced educator and Vice President of Mansfield Hall, as he delves into the multifaceted nature of anxiety among college students diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). With nearly 35% of college students and 40-50% of those with Autism confronting anxiety, this episode aims to unravel why these rates are significantly high within the ASD community. Jake sheds light on various contributing factors, from sensory sensitivities like light and sound to challenges in handling task-based frustrations and navigating social nuances.
Utilizing an illustrative metaphor, Jake depicts the unique neurological landscape of autism as a powerful Ferrari engine constrained by a Yugo's transmission and an old Jeep's suspension. He explains how neurodiverse students' reliance on repetition and familiarity can be challenged by sudden or unexpected changes, leading to fascinating insights into their coping mechanisms.
However, the conversation is not solely about challenges. Jake ardently discusses the therapeutic potential of outdoor adventures and travel for neurodiverse students. He emphasizes that while certain environments may not suit everyone, with appropriate support and guidance, these experiences can become transformative milestones. The episode underscores the significance of inclusion, aiming to ensure that neurodiverse students can access enriching experiences on par with their neuromajority counterparts. Expanding horizons and fostering resilience, adventure, and travel can play a pivotal role in enabling these students to develop a harmonious interdependence with the world around them.
Don't miss out on this enlightening exploration of autism, anxiety, and the enriching potential of embracing the great outdoors.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
Dive deep with us in this heartwarming episode as Jenna Krueger, a former field guide at Aspiro, opens up about her journey and the profound shifts in her career and the outdoor therapy landscape. Jenna's candid revelations about learning of Aspiro's closure after dedicating over a year and a half of her life to the program offer an intimate glimpse into the ever-evolving world of wilderness and adventure therapy and the struggles when programs close. Sharing both personal and professional anecdotes, Jenna touches on the nuanced challenges of aiding students with anxiety, all while managing her own fears and responsibilities in the wild as a lead field guide. But the transformative power of nature doesn't end there. Listen in to discover how Jenna has seamlessly transitioned to harnessing the magic of the outdoors in her current role at a nature-based preschool. An episode brimming with inspiration, resilience, and the undeniable magic of nature—don't miss it!
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this enlightening episode of "Stories from the Field: Mental Health in the Outdoors," we're joined by the insightful Mike DeLuca, LCSW, a clinician at Summit Achievement - a unique adolescent residential treatment program with a pivotal adventure therapy component.
Mike delves deep into his transformative journey, starting from his years at Outward Bound and the experiences that shaped his perspective on therapeutic outdoors practices. It was these formative years that led him to his pivotal role at Summit Achievement. Mike's narrative shines a light on how Summit Achievement not only influenced him professionally but also played a pivotal role in his decision to pursue a career as a clinical social worker.
A significant portion of our conversation is dedicated to Mike's specialized work with young individuals grappling with anxiety. He shares his empathetic approach and proven strategies in engaging both the young person and their families, ensuring a holistic support system. By marrying traditional clinical techniques with the healing power of the outdoors, Mike emphasizes the profound positive impact this synergy can have in alleviating anxiety and related mental health challenges.
This episode provides listeners with an intimate look into the world of outdoor mental health therapy, its transformative power, and the professionals like Mike who are at the forefront of this therapeutic approach. For anyone keen on understanding the intersection of outdoor experiences and mental health, especially as it pertains to anxiety in young people, this is a must-listen.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this revealing special episode, we dive into the announcement that WinGate Wilderness Therapy in Utah is closing in September. WinGate has joined three other outdoor behavioral healthcare programs (SUWS of the Carolinas, Aspiro, Outback) to shutter its doors in recent months. We trace WinGate's origins, its rapid rise under Shayne and Sherry Gallagher and Family Help and Wellness, and ponder why these wilderness therapy programs, once hailed as life-changers, now face such existential challenges. Beyond the heartfelt narratives, we also explore the broader shifts in the industry, from public perceptions to the financial challenges that many residential wilderness therapy programs face today. By contrasting historical trends, such as the closure of Tent Therapy programs in the early 1900s, the post-Great Recession closures, and the current mental health crisis, we attempt to paint a comprehensive picture of where wilderness therapy stands today and where it may be going. Tune in for a broader understanding of the evolving field of mental health treatment in the outdoors.
Listen to the Nov. 2018 interview with WinGate Co-Founder Shayne Gallagher on Stories from the Field.
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In this episode, we hear the story of Jessica Jo Stenquist, the inspiring Founder and CEO of Millcreek Experiential Wellness Center. With an illustrious seventeen-year-long career as a mental health clinician, Jessica Jo is no stranger to the transformative power of experiential therapy, and at Millcreek, she's sculpted a haven where nature becomes the ultimate therapist.
In our conversation with Jessica Jo, we explore her journey, from her early days in therapeutic recreation to working at a wilderness therapy program to her vision behind Millcreek Experiential Wellness Center. Through her narratives, we come to understand how nature, when paired with expert therapeutic guidance, can be a potent tool for healing. It’s not just about healing past traumas or finding inner peace due to anxiety; it’s about embracing a holistic vision of health, where one’s emotional, physical, and spiritual needs are met in harmony.
Millcreek is more than just a therapeutic center; it's a sanctuary of holistic wellbeing. As the world outside races in its relentless pace, Millcreek offers a retreat where tranquility, healing, and nature intertwine. Here, nature-based therapy isn't merely a concept; it's an experiential journey of healing and self-discovery. The location provides a backdrop for guided nature walks, mindfulness exercises, and a suite of outdoor activities, all designed to reconnect the individual with the unfiltered beauty of the natural world.
But the magic of Millcreek doesn’t stop there. As Jessica Jo and her team of seasoned therapists will attest, it's a place to nurture the mind, body, and soul amidst the lush meadows and gentle murmur of flowing streams. It's a sanctuary where individuals can unlock inner peace, embrace personal transformation, and experience the seamless fusion of mind, body, and spirit.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode, we talk with Darcy Holt, admissions director of Three Peaks Ascent, a new outdoor mental health treatment program in Utah. Darcy also helps at Red Cliff Ascent, a wilderness therapy program that is a partner program of Three Peaks. Darcy discusses the similarities and differences between the two programs and how Three Peaks Ascent is reimbursable by insurance companies to help young people and their families get financial support for treatment.
Darcy highlights the unique aspects of the Three Peaks program, such as the ability for program therapists to have phone calls and conduct family sessions with parents and students staying in yurts during their stay. She shares the story of a 15-year-old boy who has experienced significant mental health treatment and is currently covered by insurance for his treatment at Three Peaks. She also shares how Three Peaks helps young people with anxiety.
Darcy reflects on her unexpected journey into the field after leaving an unhealthy job over a half dozen years ago to find purpose in helping families around a campfire at Red Cliff. Darcy also highlights the benefits of outdoor spaces on mental well-being, emphasizing the importance of providing experiences that traditional hospital settings do not offer.
Darcy also reviews the upcoming 2023 Wilderness Therapy Symposium, of which she is the chairperson as well as her hopes and concerns for the future of the field.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode, we delve into the compelling narrative of Will Laughlin, an ultra-marathoner, father, and CEO. Laughlin, a seasoned athlete who has endured the scorching heat of Death Valley and the severe cold of the Yukon, articulates how ultra-running has become a therapeutic tool for addressing his fears and anxieties. He expounds on the evolution of high-risk adventure expeditions and the impact of fatherhood on his perception of risk.
Currently serving as the CEO of the innovative Mountain Valley Treatment Center, Laughlin examines the instrumental role physical challenges and adventure play in mental health. He openly discusses his struggles with fear and how the continuous forward motion of running symbolizes his journey to face and surmount his own challenges.
Listeners will be captivated as Laughlin discusses his latest endeavor, the 'Fear Less' podcast. Here, he magnifies his experiences and imparts knowledge on fear and anxiety, leveraging both his professional and personal expertise.
Season 17 of Stories from the Field is focused on Anxiety and is underwritten by Mountain Valley Treatment Center.
In this episode, we celebrate the 20th Wilderness Therapy Symposium by speaking with two key figures in the field. Our guests are Rob Meltzer, educational consultant and founder of the Wilderness Therapy Symposium, and Cristina Picozzi, executive director of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council.
We start by delving into Rob's journey and inspiration for creating the Wilderness Therapy Symposium, highlighting the inspiration for starting the symposium and how it almost ended in its early years. Rob shares the symposium's history, including a conversation with one of the early keynote speakers, Bessel van der Kolk, author of "The Body Keeps the Score." He also reflects on the significant evolution of the Symposium over the past two decades and hopes for the future of the Symposium. He also reflects on the significant evolution of the Symposium over the past two decades and hopes for the future of the symposium.
We then shift our focus to Cristina Picozzi, discussing her role in running the Symposium and leading the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council. Cristina delves into this year’s Symposium including the keynote speaker and pre-conference topics. She also provides this year’s Symposium's efforts to enhance best practices, research, and collaborations.
The episode is both a celebration of the Wilderness Therapy Symposium's milestone and discusses the ongoing evolution of outdoor behavioral health. It provides valuable insights for mental health professionals, educators, and anyone interested in the potent intersection of the outdoors and mental health. Tune in to explore the transformative power of the outdoors and the vital work in this innovative therapeutic field.
Check out more about the Wilderness Therapy Symposium check out the OBH Council webpage.
In the celebratory 200th episode of Stories from the Field: Mental Health and the Outdoors, guest host Jake Weld catches up with the podcast's creator, Dr. Will White, who reflects on the transformative changes witnessed in outdoor therapies in the last 200 episodes. Will sees the field in a transformative era, with more acceptance of outdoor therapy's impact on mental health. However, he also notes a contraction in segments due to controversies surrounding adolescent programs that enroll students via transport.
Will analyzes the popularity and reach of the podcast, noting that the most downloaded episodes focus on controversies, research, and change within wilderness therapy. He explains this led to the rebranding of the podcast from "Stories from the Field: Demystifying Wilderness Therapy" to "Stories from the Field: Mental Health and the Outdoors," aiming to better reflect the diverse stories and topics discussed.
In the discussion, Will shares insights about varying perspectives on wilderness therapy, adventure therapy, and outdoor behavioral healthcare, all underscored by recent Google search trends. He emphasizes the need for mental health practitioners to incorporate outdoor therapy into their treatment approaches, justifying the podcast's name evolution.
Looking to the future, Will reveals that the next season will focus on treating anxiety in different settings. Upcoming special episodes include celebrating the 20th Wilderness Therapy Symposium and announcing a new outdoor mental health treatment program. For his personal journey, Will is investing his time in advocating for outdoor therapy integration, supervising younger mental health practitioners, and working on a new podcast about anxiety titled "Fearless."
In this week's episode, we have the privilege of hearing from Dr. Hilary McCloy, an esteemed Physical Therapist, a former member of the US Ski Team, and a remarkable athlete. Hilary shares her journey into high-risk sports, including being one of the best skiers in the world at the tender age of 15. She shares the inspiring story of achieving her dream of being named a member of the US Ski Team while, in the same week, facing a rare degenerative disease diagnosis. Her resilience and determination in the face of adversity are genuinely remarkable.
During the episode, Hilary not only delves into her journey of overcoming obstacles but also sheds light on the impact of high-risk adventure on mental health. As someone who has experienced the demanding world of competitive skiing, Hilary shares her insights into the psychological toll that comes with pushing oneself to the limits. Her perspective offers valuable insights into the mental health challenges faced by athletes and adventurers alike.
As a Physical Therapist, Hilary brings a unique perspective to her own recovery and rehabilitation, highlighting the importance of holistic care for both the body and mind. Her experiences as an athlete and healthcare professional lend depth to her understanding of the human body and the intricacies of the healing process.
Dr. Hilary McCloy's episode is a testament to the power of resilience and determination. Her story inspires anyone facing challenges in their own lives, reminding us that with the right mindset and unwavering spirit, we can overcome even the most daunting obstacles. Furthermore, her insights into the impact of high-risk adventure on mental health provide valuable perspectives and raise awareness about the importance of holistic well-being. Tune in to this episode for an uplifting and enlightening conversation with a truly extraordinary individual.
Dr. Hilary McLoy's bio from her website: https://www.hilarymccloy.com/
Hilary received her doctoral degree from Samuel Merritt University in Oakland, CA and a BA from the University of Vermont. Hilary was a member of the US Alpine ski team for five years. She now resides in the White Mountains of NH - finding joy in the outdoors through running, hiking, back country skiing and biking.
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In this episode, we hear from Ken Wylie, author, speaker, facilitator, and former professional backcountry ski guide and mountaineer. Ken’s book "Buried" is a profound memoir about a 2003 tragedy where an avalanche killed seven backcountry skiers in Canada when Ken was a ski guide. The book explores the mountaineering community's intricate relationships and the personal decisions that led to a tragic event. It serves as a testament to the peace from accepting responsibility and personal growth from understanding, promoting introspection on accountability, and inspiring hope for life's challenges. It chronicles the mental health impacts of a tragic high-risk adventure expedition and how recovery can happen.
Ken shares his journey of writing and sharing “Buried” and how he became involved in high-risk adventuring at a young age. He dives into how adventure can amplify what we bring out into the field and how one can heal through experiences of adventure and stillness. He introduces Archetypal, his revolutionary training program aimed at managing human hazards, reflecting his dedication to fostering personal growth and stronger connections.
Ken's journey is a testament to the transformative power of understanding and responsibility. Tune in and let his inspiring narrative provoke thought, kindle hope, and inspire you to navigate your own life's adventures.
Ken's Bio from Archetypal: Ken has been a life long adventurer. He has climbed high and difficult terrain, and has witnessed profound consequence. These experiences underpin his nuanced perspective on human hazard management. His adventures compelled him to go deeper inside, to face his own frailty and find his greatest strengths. He has come to understand that heroes don’t just do amazing things, they allow their experiences to change them so that they come home and better serve others. He has facilitated journeys of transformation through exposure to risk for himself and others for thirty nine years. Ardently walking the path himself, and helping those he leads. He recognizes that adventure is critical in today’s society because it is real and has authentic consequence. This is a stage for us to learn to be authentic in order to manage the situations in which we find ourselves. This process builds better people, communities and a better society.
In this special episode, we have a conversation with Dean Reynolds, the founder and executive director of Seeds Wilderness Therapy, located in Colorado. Seeds Wilderness Therapy is a Christian-based wilderness therapy program that started during the pandemic. Dean talks about his journey to Christianity after a terrible motorcycle accident and how he decided to serve others, leading him to the wilderness field. He shares his experience of working at various wilderness therapy programs in different parts of the country and discovering that expressing his Christian beliefs were not accepted. Dean's encounters in the field encouraged him to start a Christian-based program, which led to the establishment of Seeds Wilderness Therapy. Dean explains how the program functions, the philosophy and programming model, and how the program incorporates Christianity into a nomadic wilderness therapy program.
Dean's bio from the Seeds Website-
With over 10 years of working with youth at risk in wilderness settings, I am a firm believer in the power of restoration in an individual’s life through wilderness counseling. When a person is away from the distractions of everyday life, he/she can move inward and begin the work of healing. This renewal process is possible when the individual allows the purpose and hope of God to replace negative coping patterns. With this mindset, I started Seeds Wilderness Therapy, where individuals will meet with God to renew and restore their lives and be productive members of their family.
In this engaging podcast episode, we converse with the acclaimed Director of Photography and Filmmaker, Thom Pollard. Known for his adventurous expeditions to some of the planet's most isolated spots, from the mystic Easter Island to the challenging summit of Mount Everest, Thom provides deep insights into his adventurous life. His thrilling high-risk exploits have changed his outlook on life and significantly shaped his mental health. Thom's numerous treks to the daunting heights of Everest have broadened his mindset, shaping his life philosophies and instilling a palpable sense of energy in him.
Delving deeper into the discussion, Thom elucidates how his ventures into high-risk territories forced him to step out of his comfort zone and helped him understand life's essentials. The intriguing aspect of adventure is its potential to direct individuals toward recognizing what is truly significant in life. Thom also unravels his personal experiences with near-death situations, discussing their profound effect on his perspective on existence. Such experiences have shaped his worldview and made him more aware of the varied ways high-risk adventure can impact mental health.
Thom’s Bio from the Eyes Open website:
Thom Pollard of EYES OPEN PRODUCTIONS is an award-winning Director of Photography and Filmmaker who has filmed from Easter Island to the summit of Mount Everest and everything in between. His films and camera work have won numerous television, film and production awards, including an Emmy for (Orphan Orca/PBS), finalist of the British Academy of Film and Television Arts for best cinematography (Lost on Everest/BBC) as well as a Silver Telly in the Nature/Wildlife category for his camera work on a Mako shark documentary (Monster Fish). His photographs have appeared in dozens of books and languages worldwide, as well as in numerous publications, including National Geographic Magazine.
Thom is an experienced public speaker, thrilling audiences around the world with his tales of adventure, using his brilliant photographs and films. He is said to have the “It” factor. His presentations create powerful impressions for schools, businesses and annual events.
Thom has filmed four Everest documentaries spanning two decades, for PBS, the BBC, National Geographic and Sony.
In this special episode, we dive into the sudden closure of SUWS of the Carolinas by Acadia Healthcare and the impact it had on families, employees, and the field as a whole. Our guest, Kevin Green, shares his experience with the program, as his son was attending SUWS when they received the shocking news of its closure. Kevin explains how his son was making progress in the program after participating in SUWS for eleven days and how his family had to quickly find an alternative placement after receiving a phone call that the program was closing on a Friday afternoon. He goes on to reveal the process he and his wife went through and the emotional toll the abrupt closure had on them and their son. Kevin also discusses the support he received from the SUWS of the Carolinas staff while expressing his frustration in dealing with Acadia Healthcare. This multi-billion dollar behavioral health company owned and operated the SUWs but did little to assist Kevin during the closure process. This special episode sheds light on the impact of sudden program closures on families and how behavioral healthcare can do a better job in this challenging process.
In this episode, we talk with Majka Burhardt, a professional climber, social entrepreneur, author, mother of twins, filmmaker, and so much more. Majka has just written a new book titled, "More: Life on the Edge of Adventure and Motherhood," which is an intense and authentic memoir written in a unique style that combines letters to her children, reflections on motherhood and daughterhood, adventure, career, marriage, and so much more.
Majka shares the story of writing "More," including the challenges of being a professional climber, digging into her family's past, and society's expectations of women pursuing a unique adventure path. She also talks about the mental health impacts of being a high-risk adventurer and how that has changed as she ages. Majka shares her journey into the outdoor field, including several pivots. She discusses the origins and purpose of the Legado Initiative, her most recent social entrepreneur project, and other organizations she has developed over the years.
Overall, Majka's story is inspiring and thought-provoking. Her dedication to her passions and ability to create meaningful connections is remarkable. You are going to enjoy this story!
Season 16 is focused on how high-risk adventure impacts mental health and is underwritten by wmai.org
Majka's bio from her website:
Majka Burhardt has a passion for creating unusual connections. As a professional climber, social entrepreneur, author, mother of twins, and filmmaker Majka has spent more than two decades leading multi-stage international ventures focused on current issues of environmental and cultural significance spanning Africa, Europe, South, and North America.
Majka is the Founder and Executive Director of Legado, an international organization that helps secure Thriving Futures for both people and the places they call home. Legado originated in 2011 during a pioneering climbing and conservation research expedition to Mozambique and is supported today by some of the world’s most influential social change funders and decision-makers.
Majka is the author of More: Life at the Edge of Adventure and Motherhood (Pegasus Books '23), a Next Big Idea Club Must Read. More is an intense and emotional journey born at the confluence of motherhood, adventure, career, and marriage. Raw, candid, and galvanizing, the book is a passionate and poignant testament to the enduring power of love and our lifelong journey to understand ourselves as we strive to always pursue more.
Majka’s first book Vertical Ethiopia: Climbing Toward Possibility in the Horn of Africa (2008) was short‑listed for the Banff Book Award. Her second book, Coffee Story: Ethiopia, was released in August 2011 and featured by Starbucks in 2013, and re-released as a second edition in 2018.
In 2010, Majka produced Waypoint Namibia and the film was featured at international film festivals and shown on NBC’s Universal Sports. Majka was nominated for an EPIC Emerging Artist Award for her work as the Executive Producer. Her 2016 film Namuli was released to acclaim at over 50 international film festivals and across the US on PBS. Namuli tells the story of Majka’s climbing and conservation research Mount Namuli, Mozambique’s second highest mountain and a critical target for conservation in southeast Africa— and of the origins of Legado.
As a keynote speaker, Majka addresses a diverse group of organizations and companies. Her clients have included Google, Nespresso, the Commonwealth Club, Banff Film and Book Festival, Colorado Environmental Coalition, universities and colleges throughout North America, and many others.
Her work and projects have been featured in The New York Times, The Economist, Outside Magazine, The Weather Channel, NPR and many other major international media outlets. Majka’s articles have appeared in publications including Afar, Men’s Health, Skiing Magazine, Backpacker, Patagonia, Alpinist, Women’s Adventure, The Explorers Journal, and Climbing, where her column “Whipped,” ran for six years.
Concurrent with her role as Executive Director of Legado, Majka is a professional climber and ambassador with top outdoor company Patagonia. She is an American Mountain Guides Association Rock Guide and Ice Instructor and also former two-term member of the organizations’ Board of Directors. Majka is a Mulago Foundation Henry Arnhold Fellow for her work in conservation entrepreneurship, graduated from Princeton University cum laude, and received a MFA in Creative Writing from the Warren Wilson Program for Writers.
Majka lives in New Hampshire with her husband, Peter Doucette, and their twin children.
In this episode, we are joined by Michael Wejchert, author of "Hidden Mountains: Survival and Reckoning After a Climb Gone Wrong." Michael's writing about adventure has been featured in various publications, including the New York Times, Adventure Journal, Climbing, Ascent, Alpinist, and more. He shares the fascinating story behind "Hidden Mountains," which recounts a harrowing climbing expedition in a remote Alaskan mountain range that took a dangerous turn, leading to a difficult rescue attempt and the high cost of survival. Our conversation includes a deep dive into several topics, including the impact of high-risk adventure on mental health, the challenges of writing about traumatic experiences, and the writing mentorship Michael received from the late Dave Roberts, a famous author and climber. We also explore the early days of Outward Bound in the United States and Michael's time with New Hampshire's Mountain Rescue Service. Don't miss this gripping and enlightening discussion with Michael Wejchert.
Season 16 is focused on how high-risk adventure impacts mental health and is underwritten by wmai.org
Michael's bio from his website:
Michael Wejchert has lived in New Hampshire for ten years. He will never leave. He’s guided off and on since 2012, in between trips to Newfoundland, Alaska, Patagonia, Peru, and the Canadian Rockies, often with fellow CMG guides, including his fiancée Alexa Siegel.
He loves all forms of climbing, from sport clipping to multi-day suffer fests in the mountains. His favorite guiding days usually involve goggles, whiteouts, and cursing over a whisperlite stove. (It’s all about that bivouac). He has guided 5.10, WI5, and many successful Presidential Traverses.
Michael is a certified SPI, an AMGA Apprentice Rock Guide, a Wilderness First Responder, has his AIARE Level II Avalanche certification, and is a board member of New Hampshire’s Mountain Rescue Service.
He is an award-winning essayist who wrote for Alpinist, Appalachia, Ascent, Rock & Ice, Gripped, and The New York Times. He and Alexa live in a small off-the-grid cabin surrounded by piles of climbing gear and Alexa’s filthy, mismatched socks.
Ryan DeLayna shares his life experiences and the journey that led him to co-write his memoir with his father, "Without Restraint." Ryan shares how he spent most of his academic career in therapeutic schools due to behavioral challenges where he experienced various medications and restrictive interventions, including regular physical restraints. After voluntarily committing to a psychiatric hospital, his parents were advised to place him in a group home until adulthood. However, his father began to question the authorities overseeing Ryan's care, and everything changed when they discovered Ryan's dream of becoming a professional ski mountaineer. Ryan shares the mental health impacts of high-risk adventure has been for him and the turning points in his life. He also shares how he and his father co-authored their remarkable book, "Without Restraint: How Skiing Saved My Son's Life," and how he transformed to become a well-known ski mountaineer known as "Extreme Ryan."
Season 16 is focused on how high-risk adventure impacts mental health and is underwritten by wmai.org
Here is Ryan's bio from his website: Ryan DeLena is currently studying Outdoor Education at Northern Vermont University. For years, he’s posted content as “Extreme Ryan” – a nickname given to him by his father, after he became obsessed with skiing. A decade later, Ryan is believed to be the youngest person to ski tour in the Arctic and Antarctic regions, having completed expeditions in Antarctica (2018) and Svalbard (2022).
Ryan was featured on the cover of Backcountry Ski Maps, and he’s climbed and skied peaks in Oregon, Washington, Utah, California, Nevada, and Wyoming, while also conquering many of the world’s signature runs including Super-C Couloir in Chile, Little Couloir in Montana, and Tuckerman Ravine in New Hampshire.
When he’s not on skis, Ryan is an enthusiastic rock climber, ice climber, and avid hiker, summiting the Grand Teton twice and completing the “Hundred Highest” hiking peaks in New England.
He plans to ski and rock guide professionally and has earned advanced certifications from the American Mountain Guides Association and the Professional Ski Instructors of America.
If you are unfamiliar with Ryan’s struggles as a boy, here is an excerpt from Without Restraint…
If I was offered the chance to have my childhood over again, growing up like a normal kid, I’d say no thanks. Despite all the pain and hardship, I now appreciate that I’m strong enough to handle anything. I bet there are not too many eighteen-year-olds who feel that way. So, in a weird way, maybe I am lucky. But, if you ask me whether another child should go through what I went through, I will say no way. In fact, the only reason that I wanted to work on this book with Dad was to help parents learn from my story, so they wouldn’t make similar mistakes with their children. If your son or daughter is different from other kids, that is okay. For some reason, we are taught to admire men and women who challenge the status quo, yet, when a child acts differently, parents instinctively try to change them. They even seek out doctors and experts to help break the misbehaving child. Well, take it from me, if you do that, you will not only break your child of bad behavior—you will break them entirely. I came as close to that breaking point as a person can experience. Had Dad decided to take me to Home Depot on January 2, 2009, instead of skiing at Nashoba, I’d be sitting right now in my room at a group home, bloated by medication, staring out a window, watching the world go by. Instead, the world will spend a lifetime watching me go by, as I bring people with me to ski, climb, and explore every inch of this amazing planet.
In this special episode, we discuss the recent announcement that two long-standing and accredited Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council member programs - SUWS of the Carolinas in North Carolina and Aspiro in Utah will soon close. We will dive into the potential impacts of these closures on the greater field and the historical significance of the events. We'll examine the reasons behind the closures, the implications for the field, and what this means for the individuals and families seeking help from these types of programs wilderness/adventure programs.
We will also explore the challenges and opportunities wilderness therapy programs face in today's rapidly changing healthcare landscape. Whether you're a staff, clinician, referring professional, parent, or simply curious about the world of wilderness therapy, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of mental health and outdoor adventure.
Listen to this special episode and join us as we navigate the latest developments and historical trends in this evolving field.
Tammy Marks is the parent of a former wilderness therapy student who enrolled in a program at 12 years old. Tammy shares her family's story of how her son struggled with his mood and behavior from an early age and how they tried to help him. When her son was in his later elementary school years, he was often suspended from school for oppositional behavior toward teachers and coaches. He brought her son to numerous mental health professionals with different treatment strategies, but nothing seemed to help. One clinician informed Tammy about wilderness therapy, and shortly after the pandemic started, she decided that something had to change as her son really struggled. Tammy and her husband brought their son to a wilderness program in North Carolina, and things began to improve. Tammy shares what she learned about parenting style while her son was in wilderness and "how to hold boundaries lovingly and compassionately." Tammy reveals what she thinks parents should know about wilderness therapy and what she wants everyone in the field to understand.
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for all OPLM.com does to support parents whose children are struggling with mental health and substance use disorders. We want to thank OPLM.com for underwriting Season 15!
Jen Murphy and Hilary Moses are the co-authors of "H.O.M.E.: Strategies for Making Home a SUCCESS During and After Treatment." Jen and Hilary discuss that after years of working together at Solutions Parenting Support, they wrote a book about the many issues they address when coaching parents whose teens and young adults are in wilderness therapy. "H.O.M.E." offers profound insights into the journey of wilderness therapy and other treatment options from two skilled practitioners and teachers. The two authors reveal how they went about co-writing the book, what they hope are the key takeaways for readers, and why the H.O.M.E. acronym works so well. Hilary and Jen also share their backgrounds in wilderness therapy, how they first met, and how they ended up starting Solutions Parenting Support.
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for all OPLM.com does to support parents whose children are struggling with mental health and substance use disorders.
Marcie Steinberg is the parent of a former wilderness therapy student and peer parent at Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). Marcie shares her family's story of how her son struggled with substance abuse disorder in his teens, the different interventions they tried to help him, and how Marcie and her husband ultimately decided to have their son transported to a wilderness therapy program in Georgia. Marcie shares how the transport process with their son occurred and the first letter they received after he went to a wilderness therapy program. Marcie reveals how wilderness therapy saved her son's life, what they did while he was in the program, and why there is much hope in their story. Marcie shares how the connection is the opposite of addiction and how other parents helped her to become a peer parent at OPLM.Com
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for all OPLM.com does to support parents whose children are struggling with mental health and substance use disorders.
Carrie McLaughlin is the parent of a former wilderness therapy student. Carrie shares her story about the family's struggles when their son, while in his teens, battled with substance use disorder. She shares incidents of her son refusing school, a mobile crisis unit, and a house party that went out of control. Carrie discusses outpatient and residential treatment and how her son wouldn't participate or take advantage of it. Carrie reveals how she learned about a wilderness therapy program in Idaho and how she felt after he was taken from their home and brought to the program. Carrie talks about their family's treatment journey, including a relapse in which her son returned to the wilderness program for more help. Carrie informs us as to what is going on with her son now. Carrie also shares how she decided "I needed help," how other parents helped her while her son was in treatment, and how she decided to become a peer parent at OPLM.com.
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for all OPLM.com does to support parents whose children are struggling with mental health and substance use disorders.
Jon Fariello is a former wilderness therapy student who was transported to a wilderness therapy program as a teenager. He shares his thoughts and feelings about being transported to a wilderness program and an earlier transport to a residential treatment center. Jon talks about his life before going to the wilderness and his experiences in aftercare at a therapeutic boarding school. Jon reveals how his perspective on his life changed in the wilderness in part because he believed "there was no place to hide." Jon shares his thoughts about the controversies related to wilderness therapy, what parents should do while their child is in wilderness as well as his perspective on his, Casie, starting Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com)
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for all OPLM.com does to support parents whose children are struggling with mental health and substance use disorders.
Casie Fariello co-founded Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com), an online parent support platform, and is the parent of a former wilderness therapy student. Casie reflects on this podcast's last episode, which featured her husband, Mike Fariello, who shared his version of their family's story of behavioral healthcare treatment, including wilderness therapy, and his thoughts on Casie starting OPLM after retiring from the airline industry. Casie also reveals her feelings about having her son transported to a wilderness therapy program after a mental health professional and the educational consultant recommended it after numerous treatment options did not seem to help. Casie also shares the future of OPLM and how she wants the organization to help more families.
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for all OPLM.com does to support parents whose children are struggling with mental health and substance use disorders.
Michael Fariello is the parent of a wilderness therapy student and a peer parent at Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com), an online parent support platform. Michael shares his family's story of how they learned about wilderness therapy after their son went through outpatient therapy, intensive outpatient therapy, and a residential treatment center with little success in addressing his son's substance use disorder. Mental health professionals and an educational consultant encouraged Michael and his wife, Casie, to have their son transported to a wilderness program. Michael shares how he and Casie believed they did not have long before his son would die, so they agreed to have him transported to a wilderness therapy program in Utah. Michael reveals that everything in their family's life changed during his son's time in a wilderness program and a therapeutic boarding school, as Casie would come up with the idea for Other Parents Like Me. Michael shares how he supported his wife's dream of starting OPLM.com and why she is a perfect person for the job of helping others. He shares his love for being a peer parent at OPLM and how he continues to support families struggling with addiction.
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for all OPLM.com does to support parents whose children are struggling with mental health and substance use disorders.
Richard Curtis is a Certified Clinical Interventionist, Licensed Mental Health Counselor, and Parent Coach who helps parents and their teens and young adults through in-home interventions. Richard shares how his intervention style focuses on connecting with parents and their teens when they are in one of the most challenging spots in their family's life and helping them all make changes for the better. He dives into how the opportunity for change is helped through an intervention that includes family members and mentors who can help guide the way to a better path in life which may involve enrolling in a wilderness therapy program. Richard shares his background of being an experiential educator, getting his master's degree in counseling, and how working in a therapeutic school helped him to become an interventionist.
Richard also shares information about his coming talk for OPLM.com and his view that parenting is more challenging than ever. Richard can be reached at https://www.richardcurtisci.com/
Season 15 is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com).
Michelle King is the co-author of the new book, "Into the Wilds: A Mothers Guide to Wilderness Therapy" and parent of a wilderness therapy student. The book includes the stories of Michelle enrolling her son in a wilderness therapy program and comparing it with her co-author, Jenny Prince's, account of enrolling her daughter in the same program. One parent chose to bring their teen to the program, while the other had their teen transported to the same program. One parent had their teen return home; the other teen went to a therapeutic boarding school after wilderness. The book also includes information about how to find financial resources, how to choose a program, and suggestions for finding parent support before, during, and after their child is in a wilderness program. Michelle shares the story of writing the book, how her son reacted after emerging from a wilderness therapy program just as the pandemic shutdown occurred, and what she would recommend for parents considering wilderness therapy for their child. To purchase the book on Amazon.- Into the Wilds: A Mothers Guide to Wilderness Therapy
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for all OPLM.com does to support parents and sponsor this podcast season.
York Ast is the parent of a wilderness therapy student and the membership ambassador for Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com), an online parent support platform. York shares his family's story of how they learned about wilderness therapy after their son had entered his second inpatient psychiatric stay and continued to struggle. His son would enroll in a wilderness program in Georgia in March 2020. York reveals that everything in their family's life changed due to the timing of the enrollment as the pandemic started and his son began his treatment journey. York shares the story of his son's battle with anxiety and addiction and how going to two wilderness therapy programs and a therapeutic school helped his son get healthy. York shares how he tried to do all he could to help save his child's life, including leaving his career and becoming active in the recovery community. He has chosen a different path in life by connecting with other parents through York Ast Coaching and becoming the membership ambassador of OPLM.
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We are grateful for OPLM.com does to support parents and sponsor this season.
Liz Reitman is the parent of a wilderness therapy student and co-founder of Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com), a subscription-based online platform for parents of young people struggling with mental health and substance abuse challenges. Liz shares information about the support platform and her personal story about wilderness therapy. Liz reveals how having her son attend a wilderness therapy program changed her life and what she recommends for parents whose teens are in a wilderness therapy program. Liz educates as to how the OPLM platform works and how parents can connect with other parents online. She shares how OPLM.com provides daily support groups, weekly speakers, and peer-to-peer education and why she became involved in the parent support groups.
Season 15 of Stories from the Field is focused on parents' stories and is underwritten by Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com). We want to express our gratitude to OPLM.com for sponsoring this season.
George Grinnell is the author of "A Death on the Barrens: A True Story of Courage and Tragedy in the Canadian Arctic" and a retired history professor. George shares the harrowing tale of how, in 1955, at the age of 22, he took part in an epic canoe expedition in the arctic that resulted in a tragedy, redemption and personal transformation. George reveals how the intensity of this rite of passage journey became a spiritual odyssey that changed how he viewed himself and the world.
George shares that late in his life when his eldest son was diagnosed with schizophrenia, they went on a 40-day canoe expedition that seemed to have cured his son’s mental illness. He dives into how psychology is a relatively new science and time in the wilderness as a healing tool and rite of passage has been used since ancient times. George dives into the theories behind the changes he and his son experienced and the tragic canoe expedition that resulted in the passing of two sons, a cousin, and a friend in 1984.
We thank the underwriters of Season 14, Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs and young adults sharing their stories.
In this special episode, Will White, one of the co-founders of Summit Achievement, a hybrid wilderness therapy program in Maine, and host of the Stories from the Field: Demystifying Wilderness Therapy podcast, reveals why, in some ways, he is leaving wilderness therapy. Will hands the hosting duties to long-time friend Patrick McAvoy, the admissions director at New Visions in Wisconsin. Patrick interviews Will about his recent decision to step away from wilderness therapy and his thoughts on the field. Will shares a history of Summit Achievement, how the program evolved over the years, why Summit does not take young people by transport, and other unique aspects of the program. Will reveals why he is stepping away after 26 years as a co-owner and employee of Summit Achievement and what he is doing at his new behavioral healthcare consulting practice, WMAI.org. Will also addresses some of the controversies in the wilderness field, how the death the tragic death of a Summit co-founder in 2015 changed him, and what he sees as the future of wilderness therapy.
We thank the underwriters of Season 14, Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs and young adults sharing their stories, as well as this special episode.
Lisa Sutton is the founder and director of Sutton Enterprises. Lisa provides advice and outreach services for several young adult programs, including Bodhi Casa and Passages Alaska. Lisa is an elder in the field with a long list of different organizations she has been part of her over thirty years working in the field.
Lisa shares her journey into wilderness therapy, from being raised in New Jersey to working with adjudicated youth on wagon trains in Arizona, where she would work for twenty-one days in a row, and how she liked being a field guide. She shares why she ended up working at a therapeutic school in Idaho and what made her a program marketing consultant. Lisa shares her thoughts about transporting young people to wilderness programs when they are unwilling to go to treatment and shares some advice to those who want to pursue a career in wilderness therapy.
We thank the underwriters of Season 14, Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs and young adults sharing their stories.
Daniel Rogers is the Director of CityScape Therapy in New York City, Alumni Coordinator of Legacy Outdoor Adventures in Utah, and a former wilderness therapy client. Daniel shares his journey into the field, from growing up in New York to attending the University of Michigan while struggling with substance use disorder and anxiety. Upon graduation, he worked for a couple of years in New York City and tried to get help at an inpatient treatment program but could not maintain sobriety. Daniel decided that wilderness therapy may help him and enrolled in Legacy Outdoor Adventures, and his life took a dramatic turn to a path of connection with others through service. He shares how he decided to pursue a Master's in Mental Health Counseling at New York University to help others. He reveals how CityScape Therapy provides adventure therapy for clients in New York City and shares a story of a young person he helped with the assistance of an indoor climbing center.
Stories from the Field would like to thank the underwriters of Season 14, Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs and young adults sharing their stories.
Evan Oppenheimer is a young adult therapist at True North Wilderness Program in Vermont. Evan’s journey into the field began at a young age while living on Long Island, N.Y., and heading north in the summers to attend camp. Evan shares why he was drawn to wilderness therapy, his time as a wilderness guide in different parts of the world, and why he decided to leave his busy practice as a psychotherapist in New York City to become a clinician at a wilderness therapy program in Vermont.
He shares why he feels wilderness therapy is effective with young adults and explains how he uses the Internal Family Systems model and Narrative Therapy. Evan also shares a story about working with a young adult and the time he used Primal Scream Therapy with two clients in the woods.
Stories from the Field would like to thank the underwriters of Season 14, Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs and young adults sharing their stories.
Mark Oerther is the Chief Development Officer at Balance House, a young adult dual-diagnosis treatment program in Utah. Mark is a person with a purpose: to help young people and their families start the healing process. Mark shares his unique journey into the field, from being a troubled young man following a jam band across the country for over two years to becoming sober and pivoting to follow a path of service to others for over 20 years. Mark tells stories about his time working at various wilderness therapy programs across the country, including SUWS of the Carolinas, Wilderness Treatment Center, Adirondack Leadership Expeditions, and many more. Mark dives into why he believes so much in the Balance House program, how he helps young men start the healing process on the first phone call, and reflects on how wilderness therapy has changed over the years.
We thank the underwriters of Season 14 Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs and young adults sharing their stories.
Mona Treadway is the Co-founder of Dragonfly Transitions located in Oregon. Mona is an insightful leader in the field and helped Dragonfly grow to have three separate locations where struggling young adults can pursue life goals with support and guidance. Mona shares how she and co-founder Glen White started the program in June 2000, then named Dragonfly Adventures, and that it was initially a wilderness therapy program for adolescents and young adults. Mona shares why they decided to change from helping young people in a wilderness therapy program to becoming a community-based young adult transition program in 2008. Mona reveals her continuous drive to evolve and change, including achieving her doctorate in leadership and change in 2017 and how her research influenced the Dragonfly Transitions program model. Mona also dives into why she and Glenn decided to have Dragonfly Transitions join Embark Behavioral Health in 2018. She also shares her thoughts on the field and where it is going.
We want to thank the sponsors of Season 14 Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs and young adults sharing their stories.
Mona Treadway is the Co-founder of Dragonfly Transitions located in Oregon. Mona is an insightful leader in the field and helped Dragonfly grow to have three separate locations where struggling young adults can pursue life goals with support and guidance. Mona shares how she and co-founder Glen White started the program in June 2000, then named Dragonfly Adventures, and that it was initially a wilderness therapy program for adolescents and young adults. Mona shares why they decided to change from helping young people in a wilderness therapy program to becoming a community-based young adult transition program in 2008. Mona reveals her continuous drive to evolve and change, including achieving her doctorate in leadership and change in 2017 and how her research influenced the Dragonfly Transitions program model. Mona also dives into why she and Glenn decided to have Dragonfly Transitions join Embark Behavioral Health in 2018. She also shares her thoughts on the field and where it is going.
We want to thank the sponsors of Season 14 Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs and young adults sharing their stories.
Bob Hennen is a primary therapist at Blue Ridge Wilderness Therapy's Emerald Arrow, a young adult wilderness program in Georgia. Bob shares his unusual journey into the field, how wilderness therapy helps young people struggling with substance use disorder and how he approaches treatment from a relational perspective. Bob reveals that he initially had concerns about working in wilderness therapy and how those concerns changed after working in the field. Bob discusses why wilderness therapy is so effective for young adults and shares a story about a recent young adult graduate of Emerald Arrow.
We want to thank the sponsors of Season 14 Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs.
Bob Hennen is a primary therapist at Blue Ridge Wilderness Therapy's Emerald Arrow, a young adult wilderness program in Georgia. Bob shares his unusual journey into the field, how wilderness therapy helps young people struggling with substance use disorder and how he approaches treatment from a relational perspective. Bob reveals that he initially had concerns about working in wilderness therapy and how those concerns changed after working in the field. Bob discusses why wilderness therapy is so effective for young adults and shares a story about a recent young adult graduate of Emerald Arrow.
We want to thank the sponsors of Season 14 Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs.
Carson McCord is a former wilderness therapy student whose struggles with addiction and path to recovery are the subject of the book "Chasing Carson: A Family's Journey through Adolescence, Addiction and Recovery," written by his mother. The book is a powerful memoir about his and his family's experience with addiction and how wilderness therapy helped all of them to heal. Carson shares his perspectives on the book, his recovery process, and how wilderness helped. Carson shares how he decided to go to a young adult wilderness therapy program and how his life has changed since his teen years. Carson talks about being a field guide in a wilderness therapy program in Utah, what he has seen in his time there, and his thoughts about transporting unwilling teens to wilderness therapy programs.
We want to thank the sponsors of Season 14 Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs.
Carson McCord is a former wilderness therapy student whose struggles with addiction and path to recovery are the subject of the book "Chasing Carson: A Family's Journey through Adolescence, Addiction and Recovery," written by his mother. The book is a powerful memoir about his and his family's experience with addiction and how wilderness therapy helped all of them to heal. Carson shares his perspectives on the book, his recovery process, and how wilderness helped. Carson shares how he decided to go to a young adult wilderness therapy program and how his life has changed since his teen years. Carson talks about being a field guide in a wilderness therapy program in Utah, what he has seen in his time there, and his thoughts about transporting unwilling teens to wilderness therapy programs.
We want to thank the sponsors of Season 14 Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch. Season 14 focuses on young adult programs.
Jill Allen is the CEO of Brightstone Transitions in Georgia and Brightstone Family of Programs, including Wisdom Ranch in Idaho and Point School in Puerto Rico. Brightstone Family of Programs provides services for young adults in different locations depending on their needs. Many Brightstones Family of Program clients have attended young adult wilderness therapy programs before enrolling.
Jill shares her journey into the field, from being raised in Vermont to working at a therapeutic school in Connecticut and jobs in Utah and Florida. Jill shares how Brightstones clients dealt with the pandemic, the services that Brightstone provides, and how wilderness therapy programs help young people transition to Brightstone programs.
Season 14 of the Stories from the Field is all about Young Adults in wilderness therapy and aftercare programs and is sponsored by Brightstone Transitions, Point School, and Wisdom Ranch.
Alex Mufson is the founder and CEO of Aspen Growth Coaching, which is a team of "specialized coaches that help turn insight into sustainable action, supporting individuals and families to move towards a healthier life." Alex shares her journey into the field, the history of Aspen Growth Coaching, and how she went from helping animals to helping families.
She reveals how Aspen Growth Coaching, with its remote coaching model, filled a particular niche in the field and the differences between coaching and therapy. She also discusses what families should be looking for when hiring a coach.
Alex's bio from the Aspen Growth Coaching website: Alex holds a bachelor’s degree in Feminist Studies and is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who has worked in clinical treatment, advocacy and coaching settings for 15 years. Her experience as a therapist and parent coach in a residential treatment setting includes leading a multidisciplinary treatment team for adolescent girls and developing a unique animal-centered therapy program. Alex’s background also includes well over a decade working as a Certified Advocate for Domestic Violence Survivors and coaching clients through major life transitions.
Always pushing the limits of conventional treatment, Alex is known for encouraging her clients and her team to be curious and to look for insight and inspiration in unlikely places. Clients often describe Alex as simultaneously tough and caring and appreciate her direct and clear-headed approach to relationships. Alex is of the firm belief that good treatment starts with care for the provider, and empowers her team to be radically innovative and unapologetically bold in their professional and personal lives.
When not focused on AGC, you can find Alex outside with her crew of five cattle dogs and four horses, or lifting weights and eating lots of plants!
Patrick Hawkins is the founder of Triple Divide Lodge in Montana. Triple Divide Lodge is a 90-day program that combines residential treatment and wilderness therapy expeditions for boys ages 14-19. Patrick founded the program in 2021 and shares how this substance abuse treatment program works and how it differs from other wilderness programs. Patrick talks about what inspired him to work in wilderness therapy, including his over 25 years of working at the first-of-its-kind Wilderness Treatment Center. He shares the influences on the Triple Divide model, including Outward Bound and the National Outdoor Leadership School. Patrick reflects on how the field is changing, controversies related to the field, and what advice he has for people interested in working in wilderness therapy.
Patricks's bio from the Triple Divide Lodge website:
Patrick Hawkins is a Licensed Addictions Counselor with over 25 years of experience. During his career, he has worked with over 5,000 young men in primary treatment. Since 1995, he has been dedicated to working with adolescents and young adults. With a national reputation, Patrick has presented at multiple conferences and is considered a leader in treating young men, especially in an outdoor/experiential type setting. He has led 50+ expeditions accumulating over 1,100 days in the backcountry guiding hundreds of clients on their journeys through the wilderness and into recovery. Patrick brings all this experience to the young men in treatment daily while also imparting it to the entire team.
Patrick Hawkins is the founder of Triple Divide Lodge in Montana. Triple Divide Lodge is a 90-day program that combines residential treatment and wilderness therapy expeditions for boys ages 14-19. Patrick founded the program in 2021 and shares how this substance abuse treatment program works and how it differs from other wilderness programs. Patrick talks about what inspired him to work in wilderness therapy, including his over 25 years of working at the first-of-its-kind Wilderness Treatment Center. He shares the influences on the Triple Divide model, including Outward Bound and the National Outdoor Leadership School. Patrick reflects on how the field is changing, controversies related to the field, and what advice he has for people interested in working in wilderness therapy.
Patricks's bio from the Triple Divide Lodge website:
Patrick Hawkins is a Licensed Addictions Counselor with over 25 years of experience. During his career, he has worked with over 5,000 young men in primary treatment. Since 1995, he has been dedicated to working with adolescents and young adults. With a national reputation, Patrick has presented at multiple conferences and is considered a leader in treating young men, especially in an outdoor/experiential type setting. He has led 50+ expeditions accumulating over 1,100 days in the backcountry guiding hundreds of clients on their journeys through the wilderness and into recovery. Patrick brings all this experience to the young men in treatment daily while also imparting it to the entire team.
Lucy Pritzker is an author, educational consultant, and founder of Elm Street Placements, Inc. Lucy shares her journey into the field which began with one of her children began struggling at a young age. She reveals the challenges the family went through to get the help they needed and how the long and difficult journey resulted in her pivoting in her career to become an educational consultant. After a decade of being an educational consultant, Lucy decided to write a guidebook to help parents understand the different types of treatment options from outpatient to intensive outpatient, wilderness therapy, and many more. Her book “Crisis Interrupted: A Parents Guide to Residential Treatment for Children, Teens & Young Adults” is filled with case students and narratives is a must-have for parents to help guide them on the treatment journey for their child, teen, or young adults
Bio from the Elm Street Placements Website: Lucy Pritzker is an Educational Consultant and founder of Elm Street Placements, Inc. Her experience advising parents on academic and therapeutic placements for their children brings unparalleled expertise to her book "Crisis Interrupted: A Parents' Guide to Residential Placement for Children, Teens and Young Adults." Lucy travels extensively to visit and evaluate schools and treatment programs in the USA and beyond. She has a Master's degree in addiction counseling and over 25 years of experience working in educational and therapeutic settings. Lucy is a member of the Independent Educational Consultant Association (IECA) and is a member of the IECA board. She is also on the Board of Trustees at Hampshire Country School. In her free time, Lucy can be found creating art in her stained-glass studio, working in her garden, enjoying her donkeys and horses on her miniature horse farm and spending time with her husband and three children on their sailboat
Matt Nannis is the Founder and Executive Director of PIVOTpoint. PIVOTpoint is a non-profit organization that provides outpatient "Therapeutic Adventure Work" through various outdoor programs in and around the Asheville, North Carolina area. Matt shares his journey into the field and how he experienced the power of therapeutic wilderness experiences while going through a healing process for himself. Matt describes what inspired him to start Pivotpoint, why it is a non-profit organization, and the different programs that Pivotpoint provides for its participants.
Allkindsoftherapy.com is sponsoring Season 13 of the podcast and will focus on experts who help families navigate treatment options. You can find Pivotpoint on the All Kinds of Therapy Website.
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Beth Laughlin is the Program Director and owner of 360 Transition Services which "helps adolescents and young adults successfully transition from treatment to home, college, or independence." Beth shares her journey into the field, the history of 360 transitions, and the benefits of coaching for parents and young people. Beth reveals how young people often prefer " therapy incognito," how parents should look at regression after discharge from wilderness treatment, and how the field has changed over the last five years. Beth reveals the many insights she has gained from coaching families for over a decade.
Allkindsoftherapy.com is sponsoring Season 13 which focuses on experts who help families navigate treatment options. You can find 360 Transitions in the Expert Section of All Kinds of Therapy Website.
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Dr. Todd Corelli (Drtoddtalks.com) is a clinical psychologist who has been providing psychological testing for young people in wilderness therapy programs for over 20 years. Todd discusses the benefits of delivering testing in wilderness settings, some of the major issues he sees, and how testing results have changed in the last decade. Todd shares how the pandemic and isolation have taken a toll on young people and what helps to get them through it. He reveals an upcoming book and video series about connection and parenting. Todd also discusses what every person in wilderness therapy should know about psychological testing.
Allkindsoftherapy.com is sponsoring Season 13 of the podcast and will focus on experts who help families navigate treatment options. You can find Dr. Todd Correlli on the expert section All Kinds of Therapy Website.
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Mark Adamski is the founder of Wilderness Reboot, a new "alumni network for students after leaving wilderness therapy." Mark shares his journey into the field, from learning about outdoor leadership in high school to working as an outdoor guide in Norway to transitioning to being a wilderness therapy field guide at Pacific Quest in Hawaii and then working at Pure Life in Costa Rica. When the pandemic began, Mark left wilderness therapy to pursue a graduate school education and started a coaching service. Mark discusses how Wilderness Reboot helps alumni of wilderness therapy programs through its various services.
Allkindsoftherapy.com is sponsoring Season 13 of the podcast and will focus on experts who help families navigate treatment options. You can find Mark Adamski Coaching on the expert section of All Kinds of Therapy .com.
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In this episode, we talk with Shayna Abraham, the founder of Prepare to Bloom, a therapeutic consulting practice, and the Therapeutic Consultant Association (TCA) co-founder. Shayna shares the origin story of TCA, how a Therapeutic Consultant can help parents and each other grow, and how TCA is evolving. Shayna shares her wisdom of almost 20 years in the field, how therapeutic programs are needed now more than ever, and what she would say to a room full of wilderness therapy practitioners. AllKindsoftherapy.com is sponsoring Season 13 of the podcast and will focus on experts who help families navigate treatment options. You can find Prepare to Bloom in the expert's section of the All Kinds of Therapy Website.
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Dave Herz is the founder of Wonder: A Confident Living Company, which "supports families through coaching and therapy in real-life settings." Dave shares a brief history of Wonder, how the organization began and evolved over twenty years and how he met co-founder Willow Rubin. Dave discusses the differences between coaching and therapy and how coaching can help young people and their parents before, during, or after attending a wilderness therapy program. Dave also explores the changes he has seen in the field over his 23 plus years of coaching and where he thinks the field is going. All Kinds of Therapy is sponsoring Season 13 of the podcast and will focus on experts who help families navigate treatment options. You can find Wonder on the All Kinds of Therapy Website in the expert's section.
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Joanna Lilley is the Chairperson of the Therapeutic Consultant Association (TCA) and a practicing Therapeutic Consultant who previously worked in wilderness therapy. In this episode, Joanna shares a brief history of TCA, why the organization began, and how a Therapeutic Consultant can help parents and other caregivers when considering a wilderness therapy program for their teen or young adult. She also dives into the different approaches that a therapeutic consultant may use to help a family. All Kinds of Therapy is the sponsor of Season 13 which will focus on experts who help families navigate treatment options. You can find a Therapeutic Consulting Association and Lily Consulting on the expert section of All Kinds of Therapy Website. Link to All Kinds of Therapy
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Hilary Moses is co-owner and parent coach of Solutions Parenting Support and has a long history of working in wilderness therapy. In this episode, Hilary shares how being authentic and compassionate bad-ass has allowed her to challenge systems, whether it be a parent system or the field of wilderness therapy as a whole. Hilary shares how she became frustrated with how so many young people she worked with as a therapist in a wilderness therapy program in the 2010s went onto residential treatment or therapeutic schools and how she started to question that approach. She and the other powerful women teammates at Solutions Parenting Support have created a program for parents to help young people return home after treatment. Hilary also explores the difference between psychotherapy and coaching and shares her nature-based retreat program, Rooted Connections.
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We explore the All Kinds of Therapy (AKOT) website which provides a resource for those interested in learning more about behavioral healthcare, including wilderness therapy. In this episode, we dialogue with the founder of AKOT, Jenney Wilder, about the intention of the website, the monthly newsletter, program listings, jobs section, blog posts and the Expert Section. Season 13 of Stories from the Field is sponsored by AKOT and will focus on experts who help families navigate treatment options.
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Dr. Fred Peipman is a therapist at Second Nature and works primarily with an adolescent all-gender group. Fred shares his fascinating story of growing up on the Eastern Highlands of Papua New Guinea and leaving there at 15 to go to school in the United States. He reveals his unique path to becoming a psychologist, his research background, and how he learned about wilderness therapy by bringing several private practice adolescent clients in Miami to enroll in different programs in Utah in the early 2000s.
Fred shares how he found his calling in wilderness therapy by working with gender-expansive, gender non-conforming, non-binary, and trans teens at Second Nature. Fred educates about creating a welcoming group, dealing with shame, and working with parents struggling with their children.
Bio from the Second Nature Website:
Fred earned his B.A. from Yale University in music and psychology, followed by a M.S. in Mental Health Counseling from the University of Bridgeport. After working in college admissions and counseling, as well as in mental health clinics and hospitals, he went on to earn his PhD in Counseling Psychology from the University of Miami, with a focus in behavioral medicine and adolescent mental health. Fred has since worked as a wilderness therapist, and as a psychologist in private practice providing therapy and psychological testing. In addition, he has enjoyed speaking at workshops and conferences
Casie Fariello is the co-founder of Other Parents Like Me (OPLM.com), a subscription-based online platform designed to support parents of young people struggling with mental health and substance abuse challenges.
Casie shares how she met the other two co-founders of OPLM during one of the most challenging times in their lives when their children were in treatment. She shares how the organization was developed, how it provides daily support groups, weekly speakers, and peer-to-peer help, and why she decided to start OPLM.
Casie reveals how having her son attend a wilderness therapy program changed the course of her family's life and helped plant the seeds for the start of OPLM, and what she recommends for parents whose teens are in a wilderness therapy program.
Information from the OPLM Website:
About the co-founders (Casie Fariello, Liz Reitman, Antonia Lavender):
Our families were impacted. Our lives became unmanageable. And we struggled to find support — until we met each other at a therapeutic boarding school where we had each enrolled our sons. As we met other parents like us, we felt an immediate connection and the relief that comes from knowing you aren't alone. As we shared our stories and learned from parents further along the path of healing, we realized we had something precious—each other. And Other Parents Like Me was born.
OPLM is an online platform and virtual community, designed to create a safe space with the access and support parents need as they move from crisis to healing.
Dr. Thomas Doherty is one of the foremost authorities on Ecopsychology and is a widely sought-after researcher and speaker on how climate change impacts mental health. He is the co-host of the new podcast, Climate Change and Happiness, and has a private practice in Portland, Oregon. Thomas shares his early career highlights of being a field guide in a wilderness therapy program for inner-city youth in Arizona and a therapist in a wilderness therapy program in Oregon. Thomas discusses how he transitioned to Ecopsychology and dives into the differences between Ecotherapy, Wilderness Therapy, and Adventure Therapy and how climate change impacts mental health.
Link to "Climate Change Enters the Therapy Room" New York Times article that Thomas is profiled in.
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Bio from website:
About: Dr. Thomas J. Doherty is a psychologist from Portland, Oregon who specializes in applying an environmental perspective to mental health and well-being. Thomas provides individual and couples services through his business Sustainable Self, and also consults about climate change, health and wellbeing to groups and organizations.
Therapy Approach: Thomas Doherty’s approach with individuals is highly interactive and positively-focused. He integrates techniques that have been demonstrated to be effective into a unique plan for each client. A collaborative relationship with clear feedback is at the core of the work. See client testimonials.
Research and Teaching: Thomas Doherty is a fellow of the American Psychological Association and Past President of the Society for Environmental, Population and Conservation Psychology. He has multiple publications and professional presentations on nature, mental health and well-being; his groundbreaking paper on the psychological impacts of global climate change, co-authored by Susan Clayton has been cited over 700 times. Thomas Doherty was an adjunct professor at the Lewis & Clark Graduate School of Education and Counseling in Portland where he founded one of the first environmentally-focused certificate programs for mental health counselors and therapists. Thomas was also the founding editor of the peer-reviewed interdisciplinary academic journal Ecopsychology.
Presentations and Workshops: Thomas Doherty has provided workshops and trainings for the Technology Association of Oregon, US National Park Service, the New Zealand Department of Conservation, the American Psychological Association, the Association of Zoos and Aquariums and the Oregon and California Department of Health.
Background: Thomas is originally from Buffalo, New York and received his BA from Columbia University and Psy.D. in Psychology from Antioch New England Graduate School. In addition to his psychology training, Thomas draws on his professional leadership experience and early career adventures as a wilderness therapy and professional whitewater rafting guide, and as an environmental advocate for Greenpeace. Thomas lost his wife to breast cancer in 2017. He lives in Portland with his daughter.
Read and Listen to Thomas Doherty on his Personal Sustainability blog and his podcast Climate Change and Happiness.
How can wilderness therapy help young people suffering from trauma? Is transporting young people to wilderness therapy traumatizing? We explore these topics and more with Steve Sawyer, Co-Founder/Chief Clinical Consultant of New Vision Wilderness. Steve has been a long-time champion of trauma-informed care and entered the wilderness therapy field when there was little discussion about trauma in behavioral healthcare. Steve shares his thoughts about trauma-informed care versus trauma-responsive care and how wilderness therapy programs have evolved in their approach to trauma over the years. Steve also dives into the challenging subjects of whether transporting youth to wilderness therapy can be done without trauma and whether behavioral healthcare has become too focused on trauma.
From the New Vision Website: Steve Sawyer, Co-Founder/Chief Clinical Consultant of New Vision Wilderness, Deschutes Wilderness Therapy, and First Light Wilderness Therapy. Steve is a licensed psychotherapist filled with passion and knowledge surrounding the intervention and change process. His experience comes from over a decade of intervention with tough-to-reach client populations in therapy settings ranging from residential, community-based, outpatient and wilderness therapy. Steve is trained in several unique therapeutic models including somatic trigger release, traumatic memory reprocessing, and HeartMath. He is also recognized internationally as a Brainspotting trainer and consultant who trains outpatient therapist and treatment programs. Through his experience he has authored two books, co-founded Wisconsin’s only wilderness therapy program, New Vision Wilderness, and works as a core therapeutic training development staff with the Institute of HeartMath. He was an author in the innovative and comprehensive HeartMath Interventions Establishing a New Baseline for Sustained Behavioral Change therapist training Module that revolutionizes modern therapy interventions through an emotional physiology approach. Steve’s largest project has been the development of NVW’s Trauma Informed Care model in the wilderness setting that has challenged the entire wilderness therapy industry on making healthier interventions with their clients. Steve’s trainings are recognized nationwide for cutting-edge therapeutic techniques and inspiration.
In this special episode, we honor and explore the legacy of the late Adam Tsapis, Summit Achievement co-founder, tall ship captain, father, partner, friend to all, and advocate for wilderness therapy in its many forms. The first segment features archival audio recordings of Adam sharing some stories about his life and the early years of Summit Achievement with other Summit co-founders. The second segment is an interview with Tobie Feigenbaum, Adam's widow, on what she sees as Adam's legacy and how he impacted others. The final piece is a summary of Adam Tsapis's life story.
In 2015 the Adam Tsapis Memorial Fund was set up by his family, Summit Achievement, and the Skys the Limit fund to help defray the costs of family wilderness therapy treatment. Please donate if you can.
Dr. Madolyn ("Maddy") Liebing is the Clinical Director of Legacy Outdoor Adventures and Juniper Recovery Center for Women. Maddy is a historical figure in wilderness therapy and has worked in the field since the 1970s. She was the first licensed psychologist to work in a primitive skills-oriented wilderness therapy program and helped develop many accreditation standards. She shares several stories, including the co-founding Wilderness Academy (later known as Aspen Achievement Academy) in 1988 and the challenges she has faced as a professional and a woman in the field. Maddy shares how Legacy and Juniper Canyon have been working with insurance companies to get reimbursement for services and her thoughts on where the wilderness field is heading. Bio from Legacy Website:
Dr. Madolyn (“Maddy”) spent her childhood traveling and moving throughout The West. Her family spent time in many of the western states before settling in Southern Utah. Dr. Maddy grew up appreciating the outdoors and spending as much time as possible outside.
She grew up to become an educator, teaching both English and history at a high school in Utah. She loved getting to know her students and was inspired to become a school counselor. While working as a high school counselor, Dr. Maddy started leading short wilderness trips as a drop-out prevention program in 1978. She was struck by the powerful experience her students had in the wilderness and while earning her Ph.D. wrote her dissertation about these “survival trips,” noting the positive impact they had on adolescents. What she might not have realized at the time, was that she was developing and shaping what would become the field of Wilderness Therapy.
In 1988, Dr. Maddy was part of the team that founded Aspen Achievement Academy. She was integral in establishing that program and went on to advise the State of Utah as they created systems and regulations for the emerging field of Wilderness Therapy. Over the course of the next several decades, Maddy continued her work in the field, only taking time off to raise her own family.
Dr. Maddy still finds time to get outside herself, and enjoys being with her children and grandchildren.
Dawn McCord is the author of the new book, "Chasing Carson: A Family's Journey through Adolescence, Addiction and Recovery," a powerful memoir about her family's experience with addiction, which includes participating in a wilderness therapy program that helped them all begin to heal. Dawn shares the story of how her son, Carson, a natural athlete and risk-taker and, by high school, progressed to having a substance use disorder. They had tried outpatient, inpatient, and residential treatment, but it was not until completing a wilderness therapy program and an aftercare program that he experienced longer-term sobriety. Dawn also shares her experience of writing the book and starting a parent support organization. Dawn's Bio from her Amazon Author Page:
Dawn McCord is a wife and a fiercely loyal and protective momma bear of two sons. During their teen years the boys did what most teens do, they experimented with drugs and alcohol. However, one son quickly opened the door to addiction and the chasing began. As her family endured the ups and downs of substance use and the ins and outs of rehab, Dawn wanted to know what in the world was different with this age group and their use and why were overdoses becoming the norm. Dawn has a passion to help other parents not feel so alone in their journey by sharing their story and resources. She greatly desires to continue the conversation on how to educate our adolescents about the disease of addiction. Visit www.adolescentaddictionandrecovery.com
How is the field of wilderness therapy changing, and is it changing faster than ever before? In this special 150th episode, we will explore these questions by looking at the impact of the controversies related to the field and how the pandemic is changing many aspects of providing services. This episode will dive into different episodes from the podcast to reveal which interviews and topics were the most downloaded in the series and how those conversations may reflect changes related to wilderness therapy.
About the host: Will White is a nationally recognized practitioner, researcher, and speaker on the history of adventure and wilderness therapy. He received his Master of Social Work degree from the University of Denver and his Doctorate in Leadership from Franklin Pierce University. His dissertation is the first in-depth chronicle of the history of wilderness and adventure therapy. He contributed a history chapter to the book Adventure Therapy: Theory, Research, and Practice. He is the author of the book, Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy. He is also the host of the podcast, Stories from the Field: Demystifying Wilderness Therapy. He has been profiled in Outside Online, the Today Show as well as Beautiful News.
Will recently founded White Mountain Adventure Institute which provides adventure therapy training, consultation, and therapy.
In 1996 he co-founded Summit Achievement, a hybrid wilderness therapy program in Maine that continues to operate in its original location.
He is a passionate advocate for the use of wilderness/ adventure therapy as a catalyst for change. He has taught Adventure and Wilderness Therapy classes at Plymouth State University for almost two decades.
Will lives in Northern New Hampshire with his lifelong partner and sons.
Tami Ann is the author of the new book, "A Wilderness Journey: The Story of a Teen’s Road to Healing" which is a heartfelt memoir about her son's and her family's wilderness therapy journey at a primitive skills-oriented wilderness program. Tami describes the writing of the book, the influence of Joseph Campbell on the framework, and how she involved family in the process. Tami shares what she learned about herself while writing the book and recommendations for parents of young people in wilderness therapy.
To buy a copy of the book check out this Link to Amazon.
Here is a synopsis of the book from the Amazon Page:
Taken to a Wilderness Therapy program in the remote canyons of Utah, a struggling teenager named TJ embarks on a life-changing journey. He spends three months off-grid while learning the coping mechanisms to become emotionally resilient.
This intimate and heartfelt memoir, woven throughout with letters and journal accounts, offers a unique view of the wilderness experience that has frequently been shrouded in mystery or misunderstood. The story is told with the hero’s journey as a framework while illuminating details of experiential outdoor therapy and its advantages for adolescents and young adults suffering from mental health issues, addictions, or suicidal thoughts.
Written for parents or caregivers who have made, or are considering, the difficult decision to place their child in a Wilderness Therapy program. As a teen, the author’s son attended both a wilderness program and a therapeutic boarding school. He and his mom then collaborated on this book to help others learn about the process of outdoor behavioral therapy, which shares his personal story and his family's parallel journey toward healing.
What happens after a young person discharges from a wilderness therapy program? Do they transition home, therapeutic boarding school, or to a traditional school environment? This episode discusses aftercare planning at wilderness therapy programs for teens and how it has changed over 20 years, with more young people returning home or other traditional settings with support from coaches and outpatient therapists.
We dive into this topic with Nichol Ernst, Executive Director at Summit Achievement.
Nichol's Bio from Summit's Webpage:
Nichol is a lifelong Mainer. He was born in Portland. Nichol spent his childhood enjoying all that the ocean and mountains of Maine have to offer. Nichol has only once lived out of the state to pursue his undergraduate degree at Brown University. Nichol then fulfilled his lifelong dream of moving west by migrating west of Portland toward the border of New Hampshire, where he now lives.
Nichol spent many years as a field guide at Summit, beginning in the fall of 2003. Inspired by his work at Summit, Nichol received his Masters In Social work from the University Of New England. He began working full-time as a therapist at Summit in 2008.
Later, Nichol became the Clinical Director of Summit Achievement. He served in that role for many years, though now he is currently the Executive Director of Summit Achievement. While he loves his leadership role, he still carries a small caseload as a therapist. Nichol’s areas of expertise include cognitive-behavioral therapy, family systems theory, and social coaching. Additionally, Nichol is certified in EMDR (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy) and Mindfulness. In 2018 Nichol became a co-owner of Summit.
Nichol and his certified therapy dog, Baxter, are often found walking through the woods with students or joining them on their wilderness expeditions. When not working with students and families, Nichol can be found working on his small farm in Western Maine with his family cultivating therapeutic metaphors.
Wilderness therapy programs have evolved over the last twenty years to better help those with learning differences that impact mental health. Many young people who enroll in wilderness therapy programs have undiagnosed learning differences, including dyslexia, ADHD, etc., that need to be addressed for a healthy change to occur.
In this episode, we dive into this topic with Sanford Shapiro, a learning specialist at Evoke, and Anson McNulty, Operations Director at Summit Achievement, who has dyslexia.
Sanford's Bio from the Evoke Website:
Sanford Shapiro, M.Ed
Learning Specialist & Executive Consultant for Evoke Therapy Programs Sanford Shapiro is a learning disabilities specialist who is a highly sought after trainer and speaker, noted for his ability to bridge gaps between therapy and cognitive science. He has been interviewed on TV and in print for his insights into learning differences and social-emotional concerns.
Education & Prior Work Experience Sanford has had an extensive career as a teacher-trainer, school director and special needs consultant. Sanford’s knowledge is steeped in research and heart, born from personal and family experience as well as professional and clinical work. Known for his success with dyslexic learners, gifted students and those on the autism spectrum, Sanford’s mission has always been grounded by sharp insights about the day-to-day lives of children and adults who learn differently.
Strengths Sanford has lived abroad in Australia as well as the west coast and mountain ranges of the northwestern U.S. Sanford was born and raised in Brooklyn, New York and lived and worked in Appalachia and New England. These diverse experiences have reinforced the idea that different cultures are to be celebrated and yet always finding the joy in common ground.
Interests Sanford and his wife Debbie, parents of two young adult sons currently live in the beautiful UNESCO world heritage city of Cuenca, Ecuador. This is their current base of operations and life, and enjoy traveling back to the USA for friends, family, and work.
Sanford is also the author of two children’s books, A Light Within (2017) and A Light Within My Dyslexia.
Anson's Bio from the Summit Website:
Anson grew up in the West Village of New York City, where he got to experience the vast culture and diversity the city has to offer. As Anson is dyslexic, he went to a special boarding school in midstate New York where he started to develop his love for nature.
Anson attended Unity College in Maine where he received a Bachelor’s degree in Outdoor Recreation Administration. Anson first discovered Summit Achievement shortly after graduating college. He was drawn to this work as it allowed him to be outside and give back to youth. He experienced so much support in his journey through dyslexia, and Anson wanted the opportunity to provide that same support to young people.
Anson has worked at Summit Achievement since 2002. Since starting out as a guide, he’s held multiple roles at Summit. Currently, Anson serves as the Operations Director, as well as being a co-owner. Anson is responsible for hiring and training guide staff and for overseeing the general day-to-day operations of the program. In addition to his education at Unity College, Anson is also certified as Wilderness First Responder, CPR Instructor, and CPI (Crisis Prevention and Intervention) Instructor.
When Anson is not at Summit, which isn’t often, he likes to spend time with his family on the Saco River and enjoys the scenic roads of New Hampshire and Maine on his motorcycle.
Margo Kelly, MSW, MEd (they/them/theirs) is a course leader/therapist at True North in Vermont. Their journey to wilderness therapy began on a backpacking trip on the Long Trail when they came upon three different people who pointed them in the direction of True North. Margo was intrigued with an offer to be a therapist for the all-gender team and took the job.
Margo shares their gender journey, their recommendations for treatment with trans and non-binary youth, and why wilderness therapy works so well.
Margo's bio from the True North Website:
Margo (they/them/theirs) was born and raised in Chicago. They spent their childhood swimming in Lake Michigan, road tripping with their family, and camping throughout the Midwest. They received a bachelor’s degree from University of Washington in Seattle, studying Early Education and Anthropology. Margo then traveled to Romania to work with children living in group homes, gaining insight in how environments influence children’s resiliency and practicing a strength-based approach within a different worldview. Margo returned to Seattle and spent 8 years working in public schools to build students’ social emotional skills and provide wrap-around services for families.
Margo went on to work with clients in crisis who were experiencing sexual assault or domestic violence. This work propelled Margo to earn their Master of Social Work and Master of Education in Human Sexuality from Widener University in Philadelphia, PA. In graduate school, Margo gained valuable experience at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia within the Gender and Sexuality Clinic and Adolescent Health fellowship. They have experience supporting adolescents and young adults with anxiety, depression, disordered eating, gender variance, relationship health, and neurodiversity. Margo specializes in gender and sexuality development, identity formation, and sexual and relationship health.
Margo approaches therapy from a relational, trauma-sensitive, and strengths-based perspective and believes the wilderness offers experiential learning that cultivates growth within the mind, body, and spirit.
Throughout all their work, Margo maintained a strong connection to the outdoors in their personal life, backpacking throughout the pacific northwest, west coast, and now the northeast. Margo continues to enjoy the outdoors through hiking, camping, biking, or snowshoeing. They can also be found puzzling, dancing, rollerblading, cooking, or stooping on their front porch.
For more information about Margo and their group at True North, please take a moment to watch this brief video.
Jamila Minnifield is a therapist at First Light Wilderness in Georgia. Jamila shares the story of her unusual journey to becoming a wilderness therapist, from her serendipitous learning about wilderness therapy on a backpacking trip on the Appalachian Trail to being a field guide for over two years, although having already achieved her masters in counseling. Jamila is a trailblazer as she is the second black woman therapist in the field, and she is the first who was a field guide before being a therapist.
Bio from First Light Website:
Jamila joined the First Light Wilderness clinical team in 2021. She is primarily focused on working with our younger students, both male and female. Jamila earned her undergraduate degree at Georgia Southern University and her master’s degree in Counseling at Argosy University.
Jamila’s clinical experience is extensive, and she is well-versed in working with a a broad range of clinical and family issues, having worked in Georgia’s foster care system with complex medical and mental health diagnoses, focusing on family reunification and adoption. Jamila’s desire to increase family engagement in therapy led her to incorporate the outdoors and physical movement in order to increase impact and improve outcomes. After 8 years of clinical and case management experience, she immersed herself in wilderness treatment for 2 years, working in direct care with students, as well as facilitating family intensives.
Jamila is passionate about working with younger boys/girls/non-binary students, with individuals with Autism Spectrum diagnoses, learning disabilities, transracial and intercultural adoption, and both episodic and systemic trauma. Her approach is playful and creative, and she is intensively trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Solution-Focused Therapy and Mindfulness, as well as in non-violent crisis prevention and de-escalation techniques, parent coaching, grief/loss, complex trauma, and sexual trauma.
Jamila is also passionate about increasing BIPOC representation and promoting increased diversity in the field of wilderness therapy, and hopes to have an impact on those who might not otherwise feel represented. She actively works to address the complex issues related to trans-racial adoption and is highly proficient in teaching healthy boundaries, family conflict resolution and positive communication. In her free time, you will likely find Jamila hiking with her dogs or fly-fishing.
Mary Covington is the President of Denials Management, a healthcare advocacy firm specializing in mental health billing, claims, and appeals. Mary explains the critical steps in getting insurance reimbursement for wilderness therapy and how to appeal a denied insurance claim. Mary shares how insurance companies view outdoor behavioral healthcare and how Denials Management has helped parents recoup over 12 million dollars in reimbursement from insurance companies for wilderness therapy treatment.
Mary's bio from Denials Management webpage: Mary Covington is the President of Denials Management, Inc., a healthcare advocacy firm specializing in medical billing, mental health billing, claims and appeals. Mary’s experience in healthcare spans 45 years. She began working in the healthcare industry in 1970 and was employed with two major insurance companies through the 1980’s. Mary now works primarily with families facing challenging insurance issues related to long-term mental health claims associated with adolescent/young-adult residential and outdoor behavioral health treatment programs
The cost of wilderness therapy treatment is expensive, yet several organizations will help. In this second of two episodes, we hear stories from leaders of non-profit organizations that help families by providing funds to help pay for wilderness therapy treatment. We talk with John Hunt from Jason William Hunt Foundation, Liz Bounds from the Parker Bounds Johnson Foundation, and Derek Daley from the Loa Fund. We will hear about the history of the organizations, how to apply for funds, and other resources.
Organizations in this episode have specific guidelines for funding. Please check their websites and donate if you can.
The Jason William Hunt Foundation provides funds for wilderness therapy for teens and young adults from all over the country.
The Parker Bounds Johnson Foundation provides funds for young people ages 10-30 who live in the States of Oregon and Washington for wilderness therapy treatment all over the country.
The LOA Fund provides funds for young adults (ages 18 to 30) to attend wilderness therapy treatment.
The cost of wilderness therapy treatment is expensive, yet several organizations will help. In this episode, we hear stories from leaders of non-profit organizations that help families by providing funds to help pay for wilderness therapy treatment. We talk with Debbie Roelands from Skys the Limit Fund, Brad Matheson from Choose Mental Health, and Miriam Miller from Charles N Miller Scholarship fund. We will hear about the history of the organizations, how to apply for funds, and other resources.
Skys the Limit Fund Website
Debbie Roelands Bio from Website: Debbie Roelands began her career in sales and administration but soon after moved over to finance, obtaining her CPA license and working for Deloitte as an auditor. She continued in finance and for the past 15 years has devoted her time to the parent organizations at her son’s schools. Debbie was Treasurer and President of the PTAs, Parent Clubs, and Chair of many programs and fundraisers for the schools. She utilized her financial knowledge and leadership skills to successfully raise and manage the funds and the volunteers of the various organizations. Her passion is giving her time and talents to benefit those in need and less fortunate, youth in particular. Deciding to re-enter the work force, she focused on finding a position with an organization benefiting youth and utilizing her knowledge and experience in finance. Having first-hand experience with the benefits Wilderness Therapy provides to youth in crisis and their families, and knowing that it is cost prohibitive to so many in need, Debbie feels privileged and blessed to work for Sky’s the Limit Fund.
Choose Mental Health Website
Brad Matheson's bio from Website: Brad Matheson, MBA, Head, Relationship Operations: With more than two decades of supporting children’s mental health, Brad is driven to make a difference. Helping children find mental health answers has been a paramount part in his career. His start in mental health began in the behavioral industry for adolescents, young adults and families. Brad has found a great deal of personal satisfaction helping students of all ages work through wilderness and residential treatment paths. For Brad, nothing is more powerful than seeing students and families strengthened by finding clarity, direction and answers that they only dreamed were possible just a short time earlier. Brad’s strength and leadership is now focused nationally on more than 20 million children struggling with mental health needs. He has helped hundreds of families navigate the difficult road of residential therapeutic care to see them thrive along the way. This valuable experience is a cornerstone of support for the many families who find Choose Mental Health, looking for answers.
Charles N. Miller Scholarship Website:
Miriam Miller has previously been on the Stories from the Field Podcast which is Episode 90.
Phil Stallard is the founder of the New Wave Wild Project in Ireland. Philip is the first person outside of the U.S. to become a Certified Clinical Adventure Therapist. Philip's journey into the field was filled was paved with the intention of legitimizing the Adventure Therapy profession in Ireland. He shares his story of how he became interested in the field and why he choose to become a clinical social worker. He goes into the evolution of New Wave and why he was awarded Entrepreneur of the Year.
Bio from the New Wave Website:
Philip delivers every therapeutic session at New Wave Wild Project. He has over 15 years experience working with young people at-risk, with families, and within multi-disciplinary teams. Philip co-founded New Wave Adventure Therapy (2017) and then New Wave Wild Project (2019) to introduce creative modes of engagement within traditional, professional mental health approaches. His aim is to make effective and meaningful therapeutic opportunities available to everyone, and to help reduce burnout for practitioners by promoting self-care within the healthcare sector.
Philip is the only Adventure Therapist outside the U.S. who is clinically certified by the Association of Experiential Education (AEE), and he represents Ireland on the Adventure Therapy International Committee (ATIC).
In 2019 Philip won the prestigious Entrepreneur of the Year award for Ireland at the European Business Awards and engages regularly with universities, organisations and social enterprises through print media, podcasts and lecture contributions.
As well as his major qualifications, Philip continuously engages in further training to extend and deepen his therapeutic toolkit and creative approaches. He is trained in the use of CBT (REBT), in mindfulness techniques for therapeutic practice, and is currently in training to also become a licensed psychotherapist.
Harpa Erlendsdottir is a clinical occupational therapist and the General Manager of the Icelandic Adventure Therapy Association. Growing up in the majestic beauty of Iceland inspired Harpa to become involved in the field. She shares her story of being involved in Scouting and learning about Experiential Education. She would travel to the U.S. to take a course at Project Adventure to learn more. She shares stories about her experiences in the field and the Gathering of Adventure Therapists in Europe.
Bio from adventuretherapy.eu website:
Harpa has a Bc.S in occupational therapy and a Ms. in organisational behaviour and talent management. She studied at the Academia of Via Experientia and has various courses connected to non formal education and experiential learning under her belt. Harpa also studied parent and infant psychotherapy at Anna Freud Center. She worked with youth with developmental and behavioural disabilities for 3 years, in a psychiatric unit for children and adolescent for a year and in a psychiatric unit for adults for 5 years. Facilitating Adventure therapy groups and non formal therapy groups with youngsters and young adults as well as individual therapy.
Currently Harpa works as a occupational therapist for the Kopavogur municipality welfare system in Iceland. Harpa was a scout and participating in all kinds of outdoor sports and nature has played a big role in her life from childhood. She has had the opportunity to experience the healing power of it through her work and the therapeutic values that nature provides.
Andy Hardie is the Clinical Manager of Venture Trust in the United Kingdom. Andy shares his journey into the field, which began when heading to the only university that accepted him to study Outdoor Leadership. He would go onto work at the original Outward Bound school. Andy shares how Venture Trust began as a 21-day “boot camp” style wilderness therapy program and has evolved to be a social change agent, including providing Outdoor Therapy for free to young people age 16-25 and ex-service members.
Cindy Ross is the author of the new book, "Walking Toward Peace- Veterans Healing on America's Trails," which profiles combat veterans who found healing through the outdoors as well as long-distance expeditions. She shares her journey of writing the book and what she learned from veterans.
Cindy Ross has written numerous articles and books, including "The World is Our Classroom- How One Family Used Nature and Travel to Shape an Extraordinary Education" and "A Woman's Journey on the Appalachian Trail."
Bio from Cindy's Website
In April 2021, Walking Toward Peace- Veterans Healing on America’s Trails, The Mountaineers Books, Seattle, will be released. The veterans’ portraits were created by her son, Bryce Gladfelter.
Walking Toward Peace shares the intimate stories of veterans who, post-deployment, have wrestled with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Through a process called “ecotherapy,” spending time in nature to promote healing and mental health, they have found new tools to deal with issues that have resulted from combat experiences: survivor’s guilt, nightmares, lack of trust, depression, hypervigilance, thoughts of suicide, and lack of purpose. Some veterans profiled here have gone to extremes, spending months on long-distance expeditions, like hiking the 3,100-mile Continental Divide Trail or canoeing the 2,320-mile Mississippi River. For many others, however, brief excursions in the outdoors offer an opportunity for healing. Author Cindy Ross examines current research and perspectives of professional therapists and provides information on organizations devoted to healing veterans in the outdoors. Each featured veteran is depicted in an illustrated portrait.
Veterans share their stories, frequently as they sit by a campfire, describing wartime traumas and their present lives. Through their collective voices what becomes clear is that anyone suffering from any form of PTSD may discover the powerful comfort and healing that can be found in the outdoors.
Cindy and Her family
Cindy lives near the Appalachian Trail in Pennsylvania with her husband, Todd in a log home they built themselves from raw trees. They grow much of their own food on their rural property.
As a family, besides the Continental Divide Trail, they have traveled to Asia, Africa, South America, and Europe hiking, cycling and paddling and have traveled extensively throughout the US.
Besides Cindy’s nine published books, she has written over 1,000 magazine articles for such national magazines as Outside, Backpacker, Paddler, Gray’s Sporting Journal, Outdoor Life, Canoe & Kayak, Adventure Cyclist, Sailing, Wooden Boat, Scouting, Native Peoples, etc. Travel stories in newspapers include The LA Times, The San Francisco Examiner, The Boston Globe, The Washington Post, The Toronto Star, The Christian Science Monitor, The Philadelphia Inquirer, The Chicago Tribune, The Baltimore Sun, etc.
Cindy has appeared on Philadelphia’s NBC “The 10 Show;” Philadelphia’s ABC “Sunday Live”; NYC’s CBS News “Up to the Minute;” NYC’s Channel 11Warner Bros., “The Morning News,” and Denver’s CBS. Her family and llamas were featured on a half-hour show on Animal Planet, called “Pet Story.”
Jorge Venceslau is the program director and co-founder of Age of Discoveries, located in Portugal. Jorge's journey into the field began in his early 20's when he struggled with several issues and found wilderness to be a place of healing. He would become a recovery coach and worked in programs worldwide, including The Crossroads Center in Antigua. He always dreamed of starting his own program, and in this episode, he shares the joys and challenges of creating the first adventure therapy program in Portugal
Bio from Age of Discoveries website:
Jorge comes to Age Of Discoveries with 23 years of years of experience, education and leadership in helping families and there loved ones to overcome addictions and clinical challenges. His real passion is helping young people find their purpose and meaning in life.
Jorge returned to Portugal in 2007 and loves the many outdoor activities like trekking, biking, paragliding, surfing and horseback riding. Jorge shares with passion the history of Portugal and all the beautiful sea, land and air adventures that we can do in Portugal. The world heritage villages and historical monuments are unique as the people with there traditions and food.
Jorge states, “What is most important is my work with young adults who are lost in their future, and how the experiential outdoor activities are so important in self-development and finding a meaning in life. The greatest gift is in helping young adults to change, and the families finding happiness.”
Jorge’s work in the field of addiction treatment centres has taken him around the world. Some of his favourite experiences took place at the Crossroads Centre on the Caribbean island of Antigua. The Crossroads Centre was founded by music legend Eric Clapton. Jorge’s work takes him to the United Kindom, Brasil, South Africa and of course, in Portugal.
Today, Jorge incorporates daily habits of healthy lifestyles, meditation, gratitude and acts of service that helps him to realize his potential, and to share it with others.
Dr. Virginie Gargano is the founder of Dehors an adventure therapy training program located in Quebec, Canada. She is also a professor of Social Work at Université Laval and is a researcher, teacher, and practitioner of adventure therapy. Virginie shares her journey from being a guide at a program that worked with adjudicated youth in the outdoors to going on to get her Masters and Doctorate in Social Work. Virginie also shares her involvement in the International Adventure Therapy Conference and much more.
Graham Pringle is the program director at Youth Flourish Outdoors (YFO) in Australia. Graham shares his story of how he became involved in outdoor therapy after a stint in the military and why it is referred to as Bush Adventure Therapy. Graham compares the similarities and differences in how outdoor therapies are practiced in his country versus the US. He shares how YFO works with traumatized youth in outdoor adventure settings as well as how the organization functions with little government support.
Bio from YFO: Graham Pringle (PhD Candidate, MA (Outdoor Education), DipSocSci (Psych), CIV Adventure Based Youth Work) is the Program Director of YFO. He conducts the research behind our model and frequently trains adults and presents at conferences domestically and internationally.
Ray Burke is the founder of Active Connections in Ireland. Ray shares his story of growing up in Dublin and finding solace in the woods from the challenges of the city. He would venture to the US to work at summer camps and Outward Bound in Oregon. He learned about wilderness therapy at Catherine Freer Wilderness and returned to Ireland for more education so he could bring adventure therapy home. Ray tells the story of starting Active Connections over a decade ago to help transform lives through adventure.
Rays Bio from the Active Connections website:
Hi, I'm Ray (founder and CEO of Active Connections)I set up active connections when I saw that lots of young people would benefit from therapeutic work but could not get on board with clinical-based supports on offer. I had previously work in the USA in wilderness and adventure therapy services and wanted to see if it could work in Ireland. I found out YES IT DOES.
I'm an outdoor nut and love to spend time in nature, whether that's rock climbing or just resting in a hammock.
One of my fondest memories was on a 7-day rafting trip, I had recently given out to one of the young people on the trip for messing around when he should have been helping someone out of the water. Moments later I was hit in the back of the head with what I thought was a stone. I turned to and looked at the kid, (about to loose my cool) when all of the sudden the skies open up with gold ball-sized hail stone. We rafted up flipped one of the rafts hid under and waited it out. For the remainder of that day we experienced the strangest weather I have ever seen which finished with us hunkered down on the side of the river surrounded by a massive thunder storm with absolutely no way off the river. Before that day, the group struggled after that day the group radiated confidence, togetherness and resilience. I'm still in contact with some of those young people, they still thanks me and Mark V for getting them through it. Myself and Mark V have and always will say all we did was not panic (on the outside), we all got one another through that 24-36 hours.
Natalia Ruiz de Cortázar Gracia is a psychologist and general director of Experientia located in Spain. Natalia shares how she first heard about wilderness therapy when she was a graduate student in the U.S. and describes how she worked at Wingate and Anasazi. After two years she returned to Spain to work at Experientia. Natalia describes how Experientia is helping young people with mental health challenges with outdoor treatment as well as differences and similarities between the U.S. and Spanish models.
Bio from Experientia:
I was born and raised in Santiago de Compostela. From a very young age I learned to live and function in the mountains thanks to my belonging to the scouts, where I acquired values such as companionship, commitment and respect that are still part of me today. As a teenager, it was in nature where I learned to connect with myself and discovered in myself potentialities that school and other environments did not allow me at that time. As an adult, I was a volunteer monitor for several years, an experience that gave me the opportunity to continue growing and acquiring skills such as teamwork and assertiveness.
I travel a lot, although it never seems enough to me. I like the sun and the sea, appreciate the details in the great things and find solutions to the little discomforts in life (and the big ones too). I am creative and resourceful, and I try to make the world a better place.
I graduated in Psychology and did postgraduate studies as an Expert in Family Intervention. I had the opportunity to enjoy a scholarship that allowed me to study a master's degree in "Mental Health Counseling" (Counseling in Mental Health) in New York, USA, for a year and a half. This training deeply enriched me on a personal, academic and professional level.
My professional experience, both in Spain and in the US, revolves around the field of family therapy and mental health counseling, until I heard for the first time the magic words: "Wilderness Therapy". Even without knowing very well what this type of therapy consisted of, at that moment I knew that it was the combination of my two passions: psychology and nature.
I worked for a year in two “Wilderness Therapy” rehabilitation programs in the US, as an educator / mentor and as a family psychologist. For many months, my job consisted of living with a group of troubled youth in the Utah desert. The profound transformation that this experience led to in me, both personally and professionally, makes Experientia a personal project. What I had already learned since I was a little girl in the humid Galician forests through my experiences in the scouts, were confirmed in the arid places of the west: the therapeutic power of the natural environment and the connection with oneself through nature .
If I have learned anything from these experiences, it is that "there is no growth within the comfort zone, and no comfort within the growth zone."
My connection with Experientia arises from my determination to be able to implement Therapy through adventure in Spain. As the association's technical coordinator and secretary, I give training and participate in the design and implementation of our projects with enthusiasm and a team of great professionals and better people.
This second research episode examines a recently published qualitative study regarding transporting teens to wilderness therapy programs with the researcher Dr. Will Dobud, an affiliated research scientist at the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Center at the UNH. The study is titled "Experiences of secure transport in Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare- A Narrative Inquiry." Dr. Dobud talks about this study through a social work and a trauma-informed lens and shares its implications for the field.
Bio from Charle Sturt University website:
Will Dobud has worked predominately with adolescents in the private and public sector. Coming to Australia from the United States in 2009, Will built True North Expeditions, a non-profit program in Adelaide, SA, providing adventure therapy experiences and social work services for adolescents from all over the country. In 2015, Will was awarded the Australian Postgraduate Award for research promise.
Will’s ongoing research and publications focuses on participant experiences of care in a variety of settings and exploring what works to deliver more effective social work services. Will is particularly interested in Feedback-Informed Treatment, the Outdoor Therapies, and Solution-Focused Brief Therapy.
This episode examines research studies regarding transporting teens to wilderness therapy programs with Dr. Christine Norton, a research scientist at the OBH Center at UNH. Transporting unwilling participants to wilderness therapy programs has been referred to as "escorting," "gooning," as well as "legal kidnapping" and is one of the more controversial aspects of the field. Dr. Norton reviews transport research studies, how the research can help inform practice, and changes she is seeing in the field regarding this practice.
Dr. Norton's Bio from the OBH Center website:
Christine Lynn Norton, PhD, LCSW, is a Professor of Social Work at Texas State University. She received her Ph.D in Social Work from Loyola University Chicago. She has a Master of Arts in Social Service Administration from the University of Chicago, and a Master of Science in Experiential Education from Minnesota State University-Mankato. She has taught as adjunct faculty at The University of Denver, Prescott College, and Naropa University. Dr. Norton has over 25 years experience working with adolescents and families in a variety of practice settings including community and wilderness-based outdoor behavioral healthcare programs, juvenile justice, youth and family counseling, school social work, and youth mentoring and educational empowerment programs. Her areas of practice and research interest and expertise are in innovative, experiential interventions in child and adolescent mental health; outdoor behavioral healthcare; experiential education and adventure therapy; positive youth development; foster care support in higher education; and international social work. Dr. Norton is a Research Scientist with the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Center and she helped launch Foster Care Alumni Creating Educational Success (FACES) at Texas State. She is the Foster Care Liaison Officer to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board, and is the founder of the Foster Care Adventure Therapy Network, an international group of programs and practitioners who utilize adventure therapy with current and former foster care youth and young adults. Dr. Norton has over 40 peer-reviewed journal articles, has edited three books, and has authored over ten book chapters. She has secured over $3,179,154 in internal and external research funding as PI and co-investigator, and is a leading social work scholar who has presented her research nationally and internationally. Dr. Norton is active in study abroad and service learning on her campus, and is a Fulbright Scholar, having taught adventure therapy in the Department of Civic Education and Leadership at National Taiwan Normal University from January-June 2017. She also served as a delegate for Women4Peace, a U.S. State Department 100KStrong in the Americas grant, working to bring experiential peacebuilding strategies to rural women and girls in Columbia.
Before becoming a researcher and academic, Dr. Norton worked for Outward Bound (OB) as an instructor and a course director for Intercept, OB's youth-at-risk program. She also worked as a clinical social worker with the Journey program, OMNI Youth Services' outdoor experiential therapy program. She has also been active in the Association for Experiential Education (AEE) for over 20 years. She has helped to establish best practices in adventure therapy, and served as the Chair of the AEE Therapeutic Adventure Professional Group (TAPG). She is currently on the TAPG Advisory Council, has assisted with AEE/OBH accreditation site visits, is a member of the TAPG Certification Standards Committee, and is also an ActivatEE team member and speaking coach. For her service and research, Dr. Norton received both the 2014 AEE Servant Leader Award, as well as the 2017 AEE Distinguished Researcher of the Year Award. She also served as one of two U.S. delegates to the International Adventure Therapy Conference (IATC) from 2009-2015. In this role, Dr. Norton convene 7IATC in Denver, in partnership with Dr. Christian Itin, and was an Ambassador for 8IATC. Dr. Norton remains active with the international adventure therapy community, engaging in global research partnerships and trainings.
In this episode, Dr. Mike Gass talks about research in the field of wilderness therapy that is occurring at the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Center (obhcenter.org) at the University of New Hampshire.
Dr. Gass reviews the history of the center, its leadership team, and the researchers. He shares how researchers address biases and how the center is funded. He educates about the research related to the safety of participants, transports of young people to programs, and a new million-dollar research study.
Bio from the OBHcenter.org website.
Michael Gass, PhD, LMFT, is a Professor and the Director of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Research Center (obhcenter.org) at the University of New Hampshire.
Dr. Gass received his PhD in educational research from the University of Colorado/Boulder and his postdoctoral work in clinical marriage and family therapy. With Drs. Gillis and Russell, he has published the leading textbook in the field (Adventure Therapy published by Routledge Press). Dr. Gass was the inaugural Chair of the AEE Accreditation Council for its first 10 years of existence as well as President of the Board of Directors of AEE in 1990. Some of his current research projects include: Risk management statistics of adventure therapy programs, adventure competencies for therapists, enhancement of NATSAP Practice Research Network database, researching adventure therapy programs with vulnerable populations, cost benefit analyses of outdoor behavioral healthcare programs, supporting emerging scholars/researchers in adventure therapy, and publishing and presenting in traditional mental health/psychology venues (e.g., APA). He is a licensed marriage and family therapist.
Scott Vee is a parent of a wilderness therapy student. Scott shares the journey of trying to help his teenage son during the beginning of the pandemic. He explains how he heard about wilderness therapy after a residential treatment program director told him that he had to pick up his son as his son was not complying with the program's model. Scott found Evoke in Utah after searching different treatment models. Scott shares he "learned as much" as his son during the wilderness process and advice for parents.
Jennifer Glazer is a parent of a wilderness therapy student from Mass. Jennifer shares her journey of trying to help her teenage son during the beginning of the pandemic. She explains how they had tried different mental health treatments and then a friend suggested wilderness therapy. Jennifer searched the web and found True North in Vermont, which was the beginning of change for the family. Jennifer shares what they learned and the importance of "being gentle with oneself" when everyone is in treatment.
Cynthia Cohen is a parent of a wilderness therapy student and educational consultant. Cynthia shares her family's journey of trying to help their teenage son while living in New York City over a decade ago. Cynthia reviews the unsuccessful treatment of her son by well-educated and well-intentioned mental health professionals in NYC until one suggested wilderness therapy. Cynthia shares her personal and professional journey from wilderness therapy parent to educational consultant helping other parents.
Bio from Pathway Partners: Cynthia has a Master’s Degree in Public Health and has had extensive leadership experience in healthcare, including mental health, and in education. She established an educational consulting practice focusing on alternative therapeutic programs after her entire family experienced the life-changing effects of wilderness therapy. Cynthia believes in the power of strength-based programs, with change and growth coming from within each person. She has made it her life’s work to support those most in need and has become a leader in the world of educational consulting. She is distinguished for her expertise in supporting families through difficult times, bringing forward discussions of significant issues within the field, and in developing efforts to increase clients’ voices in the process of treatment.
Jill Needleman is an educator and a parent of a wilderness therapy student. Jill shares her family's journey of helping her eighth-grade son get help for emotional struggles that caused him to refuse to go to school. They tried different interventions, but nothing seemed to help. They eventually found an educational consultant who referred them to Summit Achievement as it has a school component. Jill shares how wilderness therapy saved their family and the challenges of finding a good after-care program.
Katie McDevitt is a mother of five children in Illinois. Katie shares her family's journey of helping her oldest son get help for overwhelming anxiety and depression that he dealt with by substance using. They tried a different school, intensive outpatient treatment, and then a one-to-one school. Nothing seemed to help. Then the COVID-19 pandemic hit, and things became even more challenging. Katie shares how the family navigated helping their son via wilderness therapy in the spring of 2020 and beyond.
Carolyn Lambert is the founder of Nathans WayPoint a parent coaching service. Carolyn shares her challenging journey of helping both of her teenagers get help for crippling anxiety and depression. Carolyn helped her son enroll in a residential treatment program and two years later her daughter asked for help and was enrolled in a wilderness therapy program. Carolyn shares the challenges she faced in getting help for her teenager and how it changed the course of her own life to help parents through coaching.
Bio from Nathan's WayPoint:
My outgoing teenage son had just begun his freshman year in high school. I expected some adjustments, of course. But just a few weeks into the new school year, he began to change. I didn’t realize it at the time, but my sweet, social, high-achieving child… was disappearing. He stopped participating in activities outside of school and spending time with his friends. He stayed mostly in his bedroom, playing video games. He withdrew more and more—until he barely spoke to anyone.
When your child isn’t well, you bring him to doctors and specialists, and you hope they have answers. But doctor after doctor and we had no answers. A psychiatrist prescribed antidepressants and told him to “man up.” I was frustrated, angry and afraid. I knew something was terribly wrong and none of the experts I trusted was able to help.
I learned there is an assumption that teens who have these behaviors are being lazy or combative. And somehow our parenting skills are part of the problem.
The truth is, my son was suffering from overwhelming anxiety and depression. No amount of discipline was going to change that. What I would come to learn is that he couldn’t act any differently—not without the right help and the right support at home.
Feeling like I was out of options, and desperate to get my son back, I made the excruciating decision to send him to a treatment program that specializes in helping kids with debilitating anxiety and depression.
Two years later, when anxiety and depression stopped my younger daughter in her tracks, I thought I knew exactly how to help her. Believing I was an expert in this world, I decided to send her to a short-term program because I now had the tools to help her when she returned home. I was wrong.
My pull to help my children and to help other parents was so strong that I left my career of 20 years as the director of conflict management for the University System of Georgia to become a parenting coach.
Andy Goldstrom is a parent of a former wilderness student. When Andy's daughter began high school she struggled with behavioral issues. Andy and his wife, Lori, tried various ways to help their daughter but to no avail. They learned about wilderness therapy and decided to have their daughter transported to Pacific Quest in Hawaii. Andy shares his family's treatment journey and how their lives changed. Andy is now a parent coach and host of the "Wilderness Therapy and Residential Treatment Journey" podcast.
Flint Barber is a parent of a teen who attended a wilderness program. Flint's journey begins with how he had "no idea" about his son's challenges until a neighbor informed him, which started Flint onto the path of wilderness. Flint recounts trying to convince his son to attend Anasazi and that his son replied, "you will need to have me kidnapped." Flint shares the most challenging day of his life when his son ran away from Anasazi. He shares what he has learned through the process and advice for parents.
Mark Synnott is a climber, writer, father, and The North Face Athlete. His newest book, "The Third Pole: Mystery, Obsession, and Death on Mount Everest," is an in-depth look into the history of Mount Everest and what drives people to climb the tallest mountain in the world. Mark shares his journey from being a big wall climber who would never think of climbing Everest to a convert who would risk it all to get to the top of the mountain and the bottom of the mystery of who was the first to climb Everest.
Bio from book release: Mark Synnott is a twenty-four-year member of the North Face Global Athlete Team. He is also an internationally certified mountain guide and a trainer for the Pararescuemen of the United States Air Force. A frequent contributor to National Geographic magazine and has written for Outside, Men's Journal, Rock and Ice, and Climbing, he is the author of The Impossible Climb.He lives in the Mt. Washington Valley of New Hampshire.
Tami Ann is an aspiring writer working on a book about her experiences of being a parent of a teen who went to a wilderness therapy program. Tami shares her journey into the wilderness field that began when her teenager was spiraling down in a cycle of depression and drug use. They tried all types of therapy until they settled on wilderness therapy. Her husband brought her son to Open Sky, and they all began the process of change. Tami shares what she learned through the process and advice for parents.
Brenda Zane is the host of the podcast "Hopestream" and has an online space to help moms with struggling teens. Brenda shares her journey into the wilderness field that began when her teenager was using drugs and she was unable to find a local resource that could make a difference. She met with an educational consultant who taught her about wilderness therapy and her son was transported to Elements Wilderness Therapy. Brenda shares what she learned through the process and how she is now helping others.
Short Bio from Website: Brenda Zane is a Mayo Clinic Certified health and wellness coach whose work supports moms of kids with substance use disorder. Her mission is to help moms maintain their health and sanity as they navigate the chaos and terror of having a child in addiction. Her podcast, Hopestream and private, online community, The Stream, provide connection, strength and resources related to holistic health, addiction and treatment. Brenda also writes for various publications and is available to speak on topics such as parenting kids in addiction, purpose and transformation, self-care and coping strategies, and the impact of the opioid crisis.
Louise Slater is an educational consultant at The Price Group and is the parent of a former wilderness student. Louise shares the story of her family's struggles with different treatment options before deciding to place their son in a wilderness therapy program in Georgia in 2004. Louise tells us about what her family's wilderness experience was like, what she and her family learned from the process, and how the field has changed over the years. She shares how she helps parents prepare for wilderness experience as an educational consultant and former parent.
Bio from The Price Group Website:
As one of the two business partners at The Price Group, Louise brings her knowledge of psychology, her love of young people, and her many years of evaluating organizational leadership and culture to the educational consulting practice. Working with and for young people has been a passion for Louise for many years. After her own sons had been clients, she learned that Ann Carol Price, founder of The Price Group, was interested in retiring and transitioning the business to new owners. She approached her friend and colleague, May Peach, a career educator, about purchasing the business.
Louise completed her B.A. in Psychology at Furman University and her M.A. in Psychology at Western Michigan University. She had a long career in the corporate world of Organizational Development and taught on the faculty of the University of South Carolina Business School. She is still actively involved in her family businesses, as Chairman of the Board of Consolidated Systems, Inc. and is a board member of Bonitz, Inc. She is former board chair of Glenforest School, a private school in Columbia, South Carolina, for children with learning differences and is currently serving as the secretary on the board of Presbyterian College, a small liberal arts college located in Clinton, South Carolina.
Louise is a professional member of the Independent Educational Consultants Association (IECA), former chair of the IECA Learning Differences Committee and in 2009, received the Irv Katz Award, an award given by IECA, recognizing her commitment to children and education, particularly her volunteer work as the founder of the Friends of Juvenile Justice (FJJ), an organization that advocates and provides resources to the South Carolina Department of Juvenile Justice. Louise has a certification as a CEP (Certified Educational Planner), as a Parent Coach (PCP) and completed level one certification as an ARISE interventionist (CAI-1). ARISE is a family centered intervention process to support recovery from substance abuse and mental health issues. She is also a member of the Young Adult Transition Association (YATA) and enjoys mentoring young adults and helping them “launch”.
Louise has three sons, a step-daughter, and two grandchildren. In her spare time, she enjoys kayaking rivers and marshes with her friends, working out at the gym, traveling with her husband, cooking, reading, biking, and spending time with her dogs, Roxy and Chloe.
Josh Flaherty is Executive Director of Adventure Recovery (AR). Josh's love for adventure began as a child when he traveled to national parks with his family. After college, he pursued a path as a rock band manager, including Motley Crue. Although successful, he struggled with addiction. In treatment, Josh participated in an outdoor program with AR, which reignited his early passions, and he never looked back.
Josh Flaherty shares his story of being a client, field guide, and executive director at AR.
Bio from AR website: Josh is an Adventure Recovery Guide and avid outdoor enthusiast. He brings 15+ years of experience as an executive in the entertainment industry to his expertise. Beginning at William Morris Endeavor, and then as a top manager and marketing executive at Tenth Street Entertainment, Josh managed numerous multi-platinum recording artists including Blondie, Motley Crue, Papa Roach, and Steven Tyler. Simultaneously, he has created and implemented multiple integrated cross-marketing campaigns for recording albums, tours, books, and many other events with companies such as H&M, LVMH, Marc Jacobs, Gucci, Paco Rabanne, The Metropolitan Museum of Art, Major League Baseball, and The Smithsonian. Josh has a passion for recovery and mental health and his career in the field is a testament to this calling. He began as a client with Adventure Recovery in 2018 and then entered and progressed through AR’s Guide Training program. Josh is the first person in AR history to transition from client to Guide. Furthermore, he brings his operational, clinical, and business development acumen to the organization. After serving as the Director of Operations and Business Development for AR for a period, Josh stepped up to Executive Director. Additionally, Josh is in the Masters of Social Work program at Fordham University. Hence, Josh's experience and contacts in the recovery community, entertainment industry, and corporate America provide a unique insight into creating and expanding the Adventure Recovery offering, message, and reach. As Executive Director, Josh manages daily operations, staff supervision, and participates on the executive team, driving strategic growth and development.
In this second controversies episode, we explore the history of more controversies related to the field. We review the history of staff training and wages for field guides. We explore why programs are expensive and discuss resources to help families pay for treatment. We look into the safety of wilderness therapy programs and review research related to risk in the field. Included is a follow-up conversation with Kenneth Rosen, author of "Troubled: The Failed Promise of Behavioral Treatment Programs."
For show transcripts and links check out the show website: storiesfromthefield.com. We want to thank our guests as well as transcript sponsor White Mountain Adventure Institute.
In this special two-part episode, we explore the history of controversies related to the field. Part 1 has five segments. We discuss the outdoor aspect of wilderness therapy and how did it all begin. We review boot camps and wilderness therapy and why they are often confused. We look into the research in the field and who funds this research, and why. We discuss transporting young people to wilderness programs, the history, and quandaries. We finish with a review of licensure/accreditation of programs.
To find the show notes and citations from this episode check out the transcript blog page from the Stories from the Field website
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Jessica Dallman is the founder of Natural Wisdom Counseling. Jessica's journey into the field began at a young age by being raised by veterinarian parents and growing up on a rural vet clinic. Jessica would take a "transformational" Outward Bound course in high school and would go on to attend college, teaching deaf people on a Navajo reservation, and then onto Naropa University for a master's degree. Jessica shares the evolution of Natural Wisdom Counseling and her work with deaf people and others.
Jessica's Bio from Natural Wisdom Counseling:
As a psychotherapist, I support people in recovering from stress and trauma, in developing a sense of purpose, in building positive and supportive relationships, and in living a fulfilling life. I believe that each person has access to a wealth of knowledge about how to grow and heal. That wisdom may be accessed through nature, body-based interventions, horses, EMDR therapy, or a variety of other tools. Ultimately, I facilitate my client's access to their own inherent, natural wisdom.
I received my Master's degree in Transpersonal Counseling Psychology (Wilderness Therapy) from Naropa University and am trained in EMDR therapy, Gestalt Equine psychotherapy, and Infant, Early Childhood, and Family Mental Health. I integrate human development, attachment, neuroscience, nature, and the body into a relational approach to counseling. This synthesis of theories and approaches provides my clients with a holistic experience that empowers them to uncover new layers of self-understanding. I aim to enhance client strengths and potential, and provide tools for clients to overcome issues that may be preventing them from thriving.
While I enjoy nature-based interventions, time outside is not a requirement for therapy with me. I incorporate movement, art, and social justice counseling into sessions in my office, as appropriate. I am experiential in my approach, which can efficiently access the emotional centers in the brain in ways that traditional "talk therapy" may struggle to access.
I have a client-centered, strengths-based, growth-focused approach to all of my sessions, regardless of your preferred method of therapy. Trauma-informed care is integrated into every case.
I see my life as a continuous journey and adventure. Growing up, I was exposed to the outdoors early and often, which led to my belief that Nature offers supportive, healing, sacred, and transformative powers. I believe that intersectional issues of power and privilege play a large role in how our systems work, how we experience and access the world, and what messages we receive about our worth. I also believe that those messages and wounds can be healed through relationship.
I am proficient in American Sign Language (ASL) have been involved in the Deaf community since 2009.
Chaim Livneh, Senior Staff for Juvenile Probation Services for Israel. Chaim's journey into the field started as a child in the U.S. and then to Israel when his family emigrated there when he was a teen. Chaim shares how being in a tank corps helped him to get closer to the wilderness and how he found healing in a greenhouse when he had cancer.
Chaim shares how Israel views wilderness therapy and how it is funding wilderness therapy treatment for juvenile offenders. Chaim shares where the field is going.
Kenneth R. Rosen is the author of "Troubled: The Failed Promise of America's Behavioral Treatment Programs" and is an award-winning journalist who has written for the New York Times. Ken's journey into the field began as a teen when he was transported to a wilderness program in Upstate New York. Ken shares his story of going from a wilderness program to a therapeutic school and other treatment programs. He shares how he went about researching and collecting stories for the book and his hopes for change.
Bio from Kenneth's website: Kenneth R. Rosen is a senior editor and correspondent at Newsweek based in Italy. He is a contributing writer at WIRED, and the journalist-in-residence at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He is the author of two books of narrative nonfiction, an Executive-in-Residence at the Geneva Centre for Security Policy, and a 2021 Alicia Patterson Fellow. Previously, he spent six years on staff at The New York Times.
Rosen is a two-time finalist for the Livingston Award in international reporting. Among other honors, he received the Bayeux Calvados-Normandy Award for War Correspondents for his reporting on Iraq in 2018 and was a finalist for his reporting on Syria in 2019.
He has written for the New Yorker, the New York Times Magazine, the Atlantic, and VQR. His work has been translated into Arabic, Spanish, German, and Japanese.
As a foreign correspondent and magazine writer, he has reported from more than 13 countries, appeared on NPR, PRI's "The World," The Guardian's daily podcast, and NRC's (Netherlands) podcast, among others. And he has briefed the State Department on his reporting from the Levant.
He has received generous support from MacDowell (Calderwood Foundation Art of Nonfiction Grantee), the Banff Centre for Arts and Creativity (Literary Journalist-in-Residence), the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting (Grantee '17, '20), the Fulbright Program, the Schuster Institute for Investigative Journalism, the Fund for American Studies (Robert Novak Fellow), the Steven Joel Sotloff Memorial Foundation, the Harry Frank Guggenheim Foundation with John Jay’s Center on Media, Crime and Justice, the Heinrich Böll Foundation, and the Logan Nonfiction Program at the Carey Institute for Global Good.
Educated at Columbia University and the Savannah College of Art and Design, he lectured at the University of Massachusetts Boston, has held workshops on creative nonfiction for Catapult magazine, and has volunteered with troubled teens seeking to return to school and complete their bachelor's degrees.
Tony Alvarez is the founder of Alvarez Consulting. Tony's journey into the field starts in the Philippines, where he was born and raised before coming to the U.S. Tony shares his story of being part of social justice in the 1970s to helping marginalized young people in Michigan with adventure work for much of his career. Tony has mentored many of the leaders in the field through his work as a college professor, books, and numerous talks about how the field can help promote social justice and healing.
Aaron Leonard is Campaign Representative for Sierra Club Military Outdoors. He became involved in the field while serving in the U.S. Army when he participated in an Outward Bound for Veterans expedition, which would start a chain of events that would change his life. He shares this story and more about what caused him to retire from the army after 27 years to begin leading and promoting outdoor experiences for veterans. Aaron has been working at the Sierra Club to help veterans via the outdoors since 2012.
Aaron's bio from the Sierra Club website: Aaron Leonard is a combat veteran who retired in 2014 as a lieutenant colonel after more than 27 years in the U.S. Army. He has been leading wilderness adventures for service members and veterans since 2012.
Will Dobud is a lecturer at Charles Sturt University in Australia. He is co-editor of the book "Outdoor Therapies" and is the founder of True North Expeditions located in Australia. Will shares his journey into the field that began at age 8 when he agreed to attend summer camp. So began a long journey of "being in the dirt," including stints at Alldredge Academy, Potomac Pathways as well as Alaskan Crossing. He would fall in love with an Australian, move there to get his Ph.D., and begin practicing outpatient adventure work.
Bio from Will's website: My name is Will Dobud and I am a master social worker with over 15 years of clinical experience as a therapist, researcher, and manager of adventure therapy programs for adolescents. I am the director of True North Expeditions, an adventure therapy program for adolescents, the South Australian Representative for the Australian Association for Bush Adventure Therapy, and a social work lecturer with Charles Sturt University.
Bobbi Beale is Co-founder of Life Adventures for All Consulting which supports programs, agencies, and organizations to achieve their goals for improving the lives of their clients by providing training, consulting and technical assistance to implement Adventure Therapy locally. Bobbi's journey into the field began at a young age as she grew up on her family's campground. Bobbi shares collaboration stories including the new book, "Adventure Group Psychotherapy" and the podcast "Pondering Life Adventures."
Her Bio from Life Adventures for All Consulting website: Bobbi Beale, PsyD, launched Life Adventures for All with her AT colleagues specifically to make Adventure Therapy accessible to our most vulnerable youth and their families. Dr. Beale’s recent projects include increasing resiliency characteristics and reducing trauma symptoms (emotional and behavioral dysregulation) in youth identified for behavioral health services, specifically targeting youth involved with child protection. Children and youth who are involved with the child protection system encounter specific trauma including separation from and loss of parental figures, as well as the challenges related to placement stability, both educational and home, and permanency achievement. Bobbi also currently works with the Center for Innovative Practices at Case Western Reserve University, promoting evidence supported behavioral health services through training, consultation and technical assistance, primarily around home-based treatment, trauma and resilience. She is a clinical psychologist, serving at-risk youth and families in Ohio since 1991; first as a home-based therapist, then a program supervisor, program designer and division director. Bobbi has specialized in designing non-traditional therapy programs for high risk youth populations with trauma histories. Her evidence supported programs have utilized adventure therapy (AT) to increase youth skills and resiliency.
Russell Chamberlain is the founder of LifeSTREAM Therapy located in Portland, OR. LifeSTREAM's motto is "Life Success Through Relationship in Experiential & Adventure Modes." Russell has worked in the field for almost 40 years from being a field guide to a field director to an outpatient clinician. He has worked at NOLS, Outward Bound, as well as for programs all over the nation. He shares his journey in the field which includes being a parent of a teen who went to a wilderness therapy program in Oregon.
Russell's bio from LifeSTREAM website:
My pronouns are he / him
Who I am is an important consideration as we decide to work together. This doesn’t mean I can only work with folks exactly like me or with similar life experience. Nor that I believe I’m in some way “better than”. Rather these are things I bring to our time together and are part of safety and connection. They also reflect awareness of my privileges in this culture. So I’m:
- White, middle class, heterosexual, cis-gender male (I see myself aligned with the body I was born with)
- Not in recovery from substance use disorders or compulsive behaviors. I do attend Al-Anon weekly.
- I do not have experiences of childhood, complex, developmental trauma
- I struggle as an adult with ADHD (focus related to paperwork only)
- I have done individual, couples and family therapy myself through the years. Therapists who have never “looked under the hood” are probably folks to steer clear of.
Most importantly I am experiencing the joy and occasional challenge of being a single, co-parent, as the Father of twin boy and girl teenagers.
Education & Licensure:
- Bachelor of Arts degree from The Evergreen State College
- Master of Social Work degree from Arizona State University
- LCSW (Licensed Clinical Social Worker #5425) in Oregon was first registered in 2001 with the Oregon Board of Licensed Social Workers.
- CADCIII/MAC. Certified Alcohol & Drug Counselor III/Master Addiction Counselor. First credentialed in 2001. Mental Health & Addiction Certification Board of Oregon (MHACBO) & NAADAC, The Association for Addiction Professionals
Certification & Training: specific to current work with LifeSTREAM Therapy & Energy Matters
- Bonnie Badenoch: Nurturing the Heart with the Brain in Mind. 2020-21 training cohort.
- Polvagal Theory in clinical practice — two day training with Deb Dana
- Adoptive & Foster Family Therapy Post Graduate Certificate Program– Portland State University (70 CE hour program)
- Collaborative Problem Solving — Tier 2 — Think Kids (Massachusetts General Hospital)
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Trauma Focused Equine Assisted Psychotherapy through Natural Lifemanship Institute — Fundamentals training in 2018. Natural Lifemanship Intensive postponed to 2021? * Equine Assisted Growth and Learning Association (EAGALA) as a Mental Health Professional. First in 2000 then renewed in 2017. * ---
500 field days — Field Guide/Wilderness Instructor/Field Director: NW Outward Bound School, programs in Hawaii and Pennsylvania * National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS) Instructors and Outdoor Educators Courses. Wilderness First Responder. * Trainer & facilitator in using portable, low and high Challenge Ropes courses and experiential therapy activities * ---
Acceptance & Commitment Therapy — experiential training with Jason Luoma, Ph.D & Jenna LeJeune, Ph.D
- Functional Family Therapy — While with Lifeworks NW in 2001 in Portland — I participated in a year long training and supervision process with FFT) before they had the Functional Family Probation Certification that Multnomah County Juvenile Court uses.
Dr. Nevin Harper is an Associate Professor at the University of Victoria and co-edited the books "Outdoor Therapies" and "Nature Based-Therapies." Nevin shares his journey from being raised in rural Canada to working as a field guide and running wilderness programs. He shares why he decided to become a graduate student in the U.S. and his time assisting at the Outdoor Behavioral Research Center. Nevin returned to Canada to teach, write books, and be a counselor at the Human-Nature Counselling Society.
Bio from Nevinharper.com- For more than 25 years I have traversed front-lines through management, training and consulting, research, and education in the outdoor adventure and social service sectors. My work is focused on ethical and effective practice and I offer my services to organizations and leaders who want to improve, learn, and grow with their programs. I continue to learn and develop as a practitioner of outdoor therapies and continue teaching in child and youth care and counselor training at the University of Victoria.
Kim Sacksteder is co-founder of Adventure-Therapist.com and residential clinical supervisor of the adventure therapy program at the Buckeye Ranch in Ohio. Kim shares her journey into the field and how she has worked tirelessly for over 20 years to help the field evolve by volunteering. Kim is a true servant leader and received the 2020 Heart of Adventure Therapy Award from the Therapeutic Adventure Professionals Group. She is also co-author of the just-released book, "Adventure Group Psychotherapy."
Bio from Adventure-Therapist website:
Growing up in rural western Ohio, Kim developed both a love of the outdoors and a passion for helping youth. She took these with her to Columbus, Ohio where she earned a Bachelor’s in Psychology and Master’s in Social Work at The Ohio State University. Throughout her education, Kim worked in the mental health field gaining experience supporting youth with mental health needs and trauma. In this work, she realized the effectiveness of activity in engaging youth and found adventure therapy. In 1999, Kim was hired to build an adventure therapy program at Camp Mary Orton. In this capacity, the importance of mentors and a professional network were highlighted as she found herself on an “island” of adventure therapy in Ohio. She became involved with AEE’s Therapeutic Adventure Professionals Group and was lucky to find her “professional home.” For Kim, this experience created a drive to increase access to training and mentorship for emerging adventure therapy professionals, many of whom find themselves on professional islands as well. Over the next 20 years, Kim gained experience in many aspects of adventure therapy – direct practice with diverse population groups, program development and management of community-based adventure therapy programs, training and supervision for emerging professionals, and leadership within professional organizations. In addition to this, Kim has served AEE as TAPG Best Practices Committee Chair, TAPG Leadership Council Secretary and Chair, and AEE Accreditation Council Member. As co-owner of Adventure Therapist, LLC, Kim is excited to provide adventure therapy training for professionals looking to incorporate adventure into their work!
Tim Walsh is the founder of Adventure Recovery in CT. Tim’s journey into the field started at a young age due to trauma and addiction. Tim shares that in his 20’s while in treatment he “walked through fire” to realize that mentors in his life including a mobster, a judge, and a friend’s mother had changed the course of his life from going to jail to a path of service. He shares his journey and how he founded Adventure Recovery which is a recovery-focused adventure guide service and so much more.
Bio from Adventure Recovery website:
Tim is an outdoor educator and recovery coach trainer who specializes in guiding people through the external and internal wilderness. Over the last 25 years, he has founded and lead numerous programs and institutions in the youth development and addictions recovery and prevention fields, as well as offered individualized support for those seeking purpose and spiritual development.
Tim advises and develops experiential education, adventure therapy, and substance abuse awareness programs for private schools, youth development programs, treatment centers, and national conferences. He’s a pioneer in the field of adventure-based counseling, he was one of the founding team members of Mountainside Treatment Center. As Founding Director of Adventure-Based Counseling at Mountainside and was eventually promoted to Executive Director. Tim served in this capacity for four years and left to start his own consulting business and successfully create exceptional adventure curriculums for top-tier mental healthcare providers.
Tim holds Instructor Trainer levels of certification in ACA whitewater canoe, pro-rescuer first aid & CPR and lifeguarding as well as certifications in advanced whitewater kayak instruction, BCU star 3 sea kayaking, wilderness first responder, recovery coaching and adventure-based counseling. He studies various wisdom traditions and receives healing rites and practical tools from elders and practitioners from both Western and Eastern disciplines. With a deep reverence and respect for ceremony and ritual, he facilitates a tailored approach to the personal transformative process. Furthermore, he provides healing experiences for individuals of all ages. When not on the river, Tim is with his wife and family, exploring the natural world, paddling the New England rivers, working in the garden, playing with their puppy, and creating.
Emily Isaacs is the founder of Emily Isaacs Counseling in Colorado. Emily's journey into the wilderness therapy field began in the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco where she grew up. Emily shares stories including going from being a city kid to a field guide at Open Sky to contributing to diversity in the outdoors as the Executive Director of Women's Wilderness. Emily shares her work with women veterans and the Climbing Grief Project. Emily has a thriving outpatient wilderness therapy practice.
Bio from the Emily Isaacs Counseling Website: I have over fifteen years of clinical experience, in settings ranging from intensive wilderness therapy treatment programs, a walk-in crisis clinic, Boulder Community Hospital, retreats with female veterans, and private practice.
My education includes a Masters degree from Naropa University in Transpersonal Psychology, an approach that honors the importance of body / mind / heart / and spirit in the therapeutic process. I am a Licensed Professional Counselor in both Colorado and Wyoming.
I have training in and draw from the following modalities:
- Mindfulness and Meditation
- Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR)
- Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy (PACT)
- Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT)
- Gestalt Therapy
- Motivational Interviewing
- Diversity, Equity and Inclusion via the Avarna Group and OUT Boulder
- Non-Violent Communication
As an educator and outdoor professional, I have fifteen years of experience guiding and instructing backpacking, climbing, and boating expeditions from one to twelve weeks in length. For ten of these years, I was working year-round in the deserts and mountains of Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, California and Oregon, living, working, and teaching in conditions ranging from 70 degrees and sunny to a zero degree blizzard. I absolutely love teaching outdoors and particularly love sharing my passion for baking back-country pizza, reading maps, and making fire from a bow-drill set. I have worked extensively with teens and young adults navigating complex mental health issues.
My leadership resume includes hiring and training guides for Open Sky Wilderness Therapy, serving as a lead instructor for Outward Bound and The National Outdoor Leadership School, and serving as the Executive Director for Women’s Wilderness for four years. As the Executive Director, I rescued an iconic outdoor program when it was about to close doors, tripled the operation budget over the course of 4 years, and led a team of up to 7 office staff in launching transformational new programming, including the Queer Wilderness Project, Trailblazers: Outdoor Leadership for Black, Indigenous, and People of Color, and Summit Sisters, an annual 3-day retreat for over 120 participants. Additionally, I founded “Jumping Mouse, the Gathering of the Guides,” a wilderness therapy guide conference that ran for 9 years, and Women’s Climbing Circle, a women’s climbing series at Movement Climbing and Fitness in Boulder that has skyrocketed in popularity.
Additionally, I hold a Masters in Education from the University of California at Santa Cruz and have classroom experience teaching in middle and high schools.
Patrick McMillion is the Clinical Director of Adventure Works of Dekalb which is a non-profit adventure therapy program located in Illinois. Patrick began his journey into the field at the age of 3 when he vividly recalls camping with his father. Patrick shares this story and many more including his time as the Chair of the Therapeutic Adventure Professional Group of the Association of Experiential Education and how the evolution of the Certified Clinical Adventure Therapist credential came into being.
Adventure Works of Dekalbs website link.
Kimberly Beck is the founder of Relational Rewilding in CO. Kimberly shares that she was obsessed with animals and nature as a child. Her passion grew into facilitating the relationship between people and nature, people and animals, and people and people in various ways. Kimberly has designed and led environmental programs as a Naturalist and a Certified Interpretive Guide. She would go earn a Master’s in Counseling from Colorado State University which began her path into healing others via Ecotherapy.
Bio from the Relational Rewilding Website:
As a young child walking through Ohio oak-hickory forests, Kimberly would regularly ask: 'How can I teach others to love these woods as much as I do? How might people take care of these places? Can we heal here? Do people develop differently with more exposure to nature?' These internal questions have guided her life's work, and still continue today.
Kimberly's passion is facilitating relationship between people and nature, people and animals, and people and people. As a naturalist, humane educator, eco-therapist, nature mentor and dog trainer, she considers herself to be living her childhood dreams. She attributes her relationship with nature as a primary protective factor in her own emotional and psychological resilience, and hence chose to blend nature and psychology in her work. Kimberly values helping others improve their health, confidence, relationships, and sense of belonging in the world by restoring the original kinship we humans share with nature. She believes the health of people is absolutely intertwined with the health of our ecosystems, and hopes that re-establishing natural, native connections will generate more compassionate attitudes and actions toward ourselves, one another, and the planet upon which we depend.
In addition to operating Relational Rewilding (founded in 2017), Kimberly currently works as coordinator and faculty for the Gestalt Equine Institute of the Rockies, teaching nature-based approaches to therapy. She is also a contract instructor with Denver Botanic Gardens, Denver Audubon Society and Evergreen Audubon Society. She is on the advisory board for Outdoor Education at Red Rocks Community College. Kimberly holds a Master’s degree in Counseling from Colorado State University and a Bachelor’s degree in Outdoor Education & Plant Biology from Ohio University. She has been practicing nature-based and eco-therapy for 10 years . Kimberly designed and led environmental and humane education programs at state parks, outdoor education centers, and animal shelters throughout the country. She is a Master Naturalist, a Native Plant Master, and Certified Interpretive Guide. Kimberly has participated in continuing education programs through North American Institute of Medical Herbalism (now the Colorado School for Clinical Herbalism), The Foragers Path, Artemisia & Rue Herbalism, Somatic Wilderness Therapy Institute, Wildcraft Forest School, Wilderness Awareness School, 8 Shields Institute, and The Tracking Project - training in cultural and natural awareness, animal tracking, plant studies, herbology, bird language, primitive skills, community building, & Gestalt and nature-based therapy. She lives in the foothills west of Golden, Colorado with her partner, 3 horses, and a diversity of surrounding wildlife.
About Kimberly Beck, M.Ed., NCC, CIG
In celebration of the 100th episode of Stories from the Field, Dr. Will White, tells his story about how he became involved in wilderness therapy and how the Stories from the Field podcast, book, and dissertation came into being. He shares how his family, scouting, college professors, and Buddhist teachers led him to the path of wilderness therapy. He reveals how he became involved in starting Summit Achievement in 1996 when there were no other wilderness therapy programs on the east coast.
Bio from Summit Achievements Website: Dr. White received his Master of Social Work degree from the University of Denver and his Doctorate degree in Leadership from Franklin Pierce University. He has been licensed as a Clinical Social Worker and Alcohol and Drug Abuse Counselor for over 30 years. Dr. White is a nationally recognized expert in the field of adventure/wilderness therapy.
As a much sought after speaker on the topic of Adventure/Wilderness Therapy, Dr. White has presented at national and international conferences and is the author of the book, Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy and the host of the podcast, Stories from the Field: Demystifying Wilderness Therapy.
Dr. Maurie Lung is one of the foremost leaders in the field of adventure therapy and is the founder of Life Adventures Counseling and Consulting. She has over 25 years of experience as an adventure therapist, business owner, author, mentor, evaluator, and university instructor. Maurie shares many stories including how she was inspired as a child to help people through adventures in the outdoors after an incident in her first week at a summer camp. Maurie tells how the Adventure Therapy Certificate evolved.
Bio from Life Adventures website: (Dana) Maurie Lung, Ph.D., LMHC, LMFT is the founder and CEO of Life Adventures Counseling, a community organization that provides adventure-based mental health therapy and consulting. She has over 25 years of experience as a therapist, business owner, author, speaker, trainer, evaluator, and university instructor. She has co-authored two books for mental health professionals as well as a variety of articles about how to experience nature and adventure in order to heal our hearts and restore dignity. Maurie integrates her knowledge and experience of recreation, education, psychology, and evaluation to experientially provide services with a diverse client population. The growth and change she witnesses for youth, families, and adults through this process continues to amaze her and remind her of the power of playful experience. In addition to her experiences as a practitioner and administrator, Maurie provides consultation, coaching, training, and technical assistance to organizations who want to improve their level of organizational functioning or implement a more experiential approach to their services. She also is Associate Faculty at Prescott College teaching graduate courses in mental health counseling and overseeing the Adventure-based Psychotherapy and Ecotherapy programs.
Vicenzo Narciso grew up in Seattle, Washington, and struggled as a teenager in following rules at home and school. He also began using substances and regularly skipped school. Early one morning two individuals transported Vicenzo to Utah, a place that he could not even find on a map, and he was enrolled at Elements Wilderness Therapy. This is how Vicenzo began his journey to treatment and eventual recovery.
Vicenzo shares his unique journey and how wilderness prepared him for the current COVID 19 pandemic
Hansen Hundahl is an undergraduate student at Plymouth State University in Plymouth, N.H. When Hansen was a high school freshman he was struggling with his parent's divorce, substance use, and learning challenges. Hansen shares his journey of change that began one night when he was transported to BlueFire Wilderness Therapy program in Idaho.
Hansen attributes his change to the field guides who taught him mindfulness and other important lessons. Hansen hopes to start a wilderness program in the future.
Dr. Lee Gillis is a psychology professor at Georgia College. Lee shares stories about his friend and mentor, Karl Rohnke, who passed away last week. Karl impacted the field in many ways including writing classic texts such as "Cranking out Adventure", "Cowtails and Cobras", "Silver Bullets" and others.
Lee also explores the definitions of adventure and wilderness therapy and how he was recently honored by the American Psychological Association for his work in adventure group therapy. A first in the field.
Chris Squier is the Family Services Coordinator at Black Mountain Academy in N.C. As a teen, Chris was transported from Florida to New York and attended Adirondack Leadership Expeditions due to behavioral challenges. Chris shares his story of difficulties in the change process as after wilderness he returned home and continued to struggle. He enrolled in Four Circles in N.C. as a young adult and attended it twice. Chris feels that wilderness programs saved his life and is committed to a path of service.
Bio from Black Mountain Academy website:
Chris, a native of Orlando, Florida, has spent many years calling the mountains of Western North Carolina home. Chris attended Asheville Buncombe Technical College and has gained many years of hands on experience working with students on the autism spectrum during his years as a field instructor for a local therapeutic wilderness program.
When asked what he enjoys about his role as lead residential coach at Black Mountain Academy, Chris states, “I believe that our students on the autism spectrum or who struggle with other related neurodevelopmental issues have talents and abilities that other people in the world will never have, and those gifts are often overlooked. I do this work because I believe I can help our students discover these abilities and build confidence in themselves.”
Chris is well knowing for his fun-loving demeanor and ability to get students invested in a game or activity they might feel shy about trying. Outside of work, Chris can often be found buying and restoring wood furniture, hiking with friends, or enjoying a good book.
Connor Boyle is the founder of Revival Wilderness Therapy located in New Hampshire. Connor shares his story of having a successful law career in Boston while suffering from anxiety/depression combined with alcoholism. He tried traditional residential treatment but it did not help. He shares how went to a wilderness therapy program at the age of 33 which was the "most impactful" experience of his life. He left his law career worked in behavioral healthcare and a wilderness program and then started Revival.
Connor's bio from Revival Website:
Born and raised in Littleton, NH, while the White Mountains were in my back yard, I could not have been further away from them. Rather than embrace Nature, I chose a very achievement oriented path. I graduated valedictorian from Littleton High School and then attended Bates College, where my primary objective was to prepare for law school. And prepared I was for my law school career at Northeastern University, where I excelled as a law student. After passing two bar exams I began my career as a corporate attorney. And I also began to realize that there were no more goals to achieve. No more exams to take. No more teams to captain. There was no more structure, and without externally prescribed structure, I was at a loss. Depression and anxiety set in. And substance abuse escalated alongside mental health issues, accompanied by an eating disorder.
I had been living my entire life wearing a mask. A mask that I believed society wanted me to wear. I had focused on fabricated external expectations. I never once looked inside for what I was, for who I was.
That all changed when I got in the Woods. I began working on myself - Mind, Body, and Spirit. I learned that everything in life is impermanent except one's relationship with themselves. And I realized that since we only get one lap, we better focus on what is important by our own standards, and not by those of an over-civilized, over-medicated, under-connected society. And I realized that the best way to do that is through connection. Through helping others connect. With themselves, with a community, and with Nature. Help me build a community by allowing me to help you build your connection to self.
Having studied health and wellness coaching through the Health Coach Institute, wilderness preparedness through SOLO Wilderness Medical School, and having worked in addiction recovery for years, I have the credentials and qualifications to bring you in to the Wilderness, keep you safe, and create a productive and valuable atmosphere for growth and catharsis. But more importantly, having lived for years mired in a swamp of mental health crisis and substance abuse, I know what it is like to be where you are. I know what it is like to feel like you are not you. What it is like to feel like there is no way out. What it feels like to be sad. What it feels like to be depressed and anxiety riddled. What it feels like to be hopeless. What it feels like to feel nothing at all. And I know what it takes to pull yourself out of the abyss.
All the classes and courses have been valuable, but the life experience that I have walked through is what makes me the person that I am. And it is what allows me to be compassionate, empathetic, and, maybe most importantly, allows me to understand as well as anyone else what it is like to feel the way you feel right now. There is a way out. Let me help you get there.
Nick Slovak is the Executive Director of Green Hill Recovery located in North Carolina. When Nick was a teen he experienced several challenges including his father dying on Nick's 15th birthday. Nick shares his story of how he struggled and with his mother's support he ended up going to Summit Achievement where his life began to change. He shares how time in the wilderness with supportive peers helped chart a new course in his life. Nick has over a decade of sobriety and is now a leader in the behavioral health care field.
Nick's bio from Green Hill:
Nick Slovak is the Executive Director of Green Hill. As Executive Director, Nick oversees the administration and integration of the clinical, transitional living, academic, experiential, and holistic components of the Green Hill program. Nick sees his primary responsibility as giving the staff at Green Hill the tools they need to provide compassionate and innovative care. Nick holds a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Southern Maine in political science and a minor in international relations. He is currently working to complete a Master’s in Business Administration from the University of Maryland.
Prior Experience
Prior to his work with Green Hill, Nick served as the Program Coordinator at Foundation House – an extended care sober living facility in Portland, Maine. In that position, Nick developed and implemented academic and vocational modules, alumni programming, and a variety of experiential and adventure-based therapies. Most recently, he worked at the Council on International Educational Exchange (CIEE) – the largest J1 visa sponsor in the United States. At CIEE, Nick coordinated international exchange programs for over 20,000 high school and college students from 50 countries.
Professional Passion
Nick is passionate about empowering young people to make a successful transition into emerging adulthood. He has direct experience with both the perils of addiction and triumphs of sobriety. His own recovery journey has been paramount to his work mentoring emerging adults through early recovery, giving him a firsthand understanding of the challenges faced by newly recovering emerging adults returning to an academic setting. Nick believes in a holistic approach to the recovery and in the importance of a balanced lifestyle.
More about Nick
Originally from Long Island, NY, Nick comes to Raleigh from Portland, ME. He is an avid adventurer and outdoorsman who enjoys backpacking, rock climbing, kayaking, and snowboarding. He is a Registered Maine Guide, and has led multiple expeditions through the mountains and waters of Maine and New Hampshire. He is a strong proponent of the healing power of the outdoors and is always eager to share this passion. Nick is also an ardent traveler having visited four continents and over 15 countries.
This episode is a follow up to Ep. 91: The Business of Wilderness Therapy. We crowdsourced questions related to the business of wilderness therapy from listeners and others to ask questions about the business side of the field. Some of the questions to be answered include: What qualifications do people have in running a wilderness therapy business? What are the business skills one has to have? How do you thing insurance reimbursement will impact wilderness therapy? What is the future of the field? Etc.
Have you ever thought about starting a wilderness therapy program? Have you ever wondered how and why the field of wilderness therapy went from being primarily dominated by non-profit programs to currently being inundated with for-profit programs? This episode focuses on the business side of wilderness therapy and the different models of operating in the field. This story explores the history of the business of the field including how the for-profit Aspen Education Group emerged in 1989 and collapsed after 2008.
Miriam Miller is a new field guide at Trails Carolina and former wilderness therapy student. Miriam grew up in South Carolina and faced many challenges during her childhood. By the time she got to college she became overwhelmed with issues related to trauma that she reached out to her mother to get her into a wilderness therapy program. Miriam shares her treatment journey and why she choose wilderness therapy. She shares the difficulty of paying for wilderness therapy treatment and how she was helped along the way and why she has decided to work in wilderness therapy.
Emma Stein is an undergraduate student in Outdoor Education at the University of New Hampshire. When Emma was young she suffered a great deal of loss as her father died when she was 9 and her mother died when she was 16. Emma shares the story of challenges related to the pain she was suffering and how traditional mental health treatment had limited impact. At 16 she went to Summit Achievement a wilderness therapy program in Maine and it changed her life forever. She shares her story of grit and resilience and why she now wants to work in the field.
Kaiumati Roche is co-founder of Sojourn Consulting which supports and consults companies and individuals in Experiential Education and Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare. Kai shares his story of struggling in college and going to a wilderness therapy program in Utah which changed the course of his life to pursue a career in wilderness therapy. He has been a field guide or director at Wingate, New Visions, BlueFire, and Evoke. Kai shares his thoughts on the field and how Sojourn Consulting helps field guides.
To find out more about Kai check out his Linkedin page:
Tom Whalen is an undergraduate student at Plymouth State University in Plymouth, N.H. Tom grew up in Fairfield, Connecticut, and really struggled high school. Tom shares how outpatient and inpatients interventions did not help him. While in a residential treatment center a clinician recommended wilderness and he decided to give it a try. Tom shares his transformational story of being a student in a wilderness program, how it changed his life and why he is interested in pursuing a career in the field.
Sarah Stusek of Stusek Studios has worked in the film and television industry since childhood. When she was 17 years old she was brought to a wilderness therapy program in Montana called Three Rivers. The transporter told her, "You should write a book about this" and now, 13 years later, she has finished the book and it will soon be a motion picture. Sarah shares her challenging journey into the wilderness and how it changed her life. She shares her thoughts about the field, her book, and the film.
Bio from Stusek Studios Website: Has been in the film and television industry since 1995, working on Emmy award-winning projects like HBO's VEEP and NETFLIX's HOUSE OF CARDS.
Bio from Three Rivers Section of Stusek Studios:
Wilderness-based therapy has helped so many, how many more can we reach through film?
Growing up today in this chaotic society is tough. Taking a break from the noise that surrounds us would be beneficial to anyone. No noise, cell phones, internet or connection to society.
I am Sarah Stusek, the filmmaker behind Three Rivers. Producer Wendy Geary and I met while working on the hit EMMY award winning HBO's VEEP seven years ago and have worked toward making this film together ever since. More about us in a minute, let's get back to THREE RIVERS!
When I was seventeen-years-old I attended a wilderness program that completely changed my outlook on life -- I lived in the backcountry of Montana in the middle of winter for three months. I was in a co-ed group of other teenagers labeled "troubled or at-risk youth" that had to work both together as well as independently to literally survive the program-in-the-woods.
I learned not only lessons about nature and survival skills, but the importance of communication and cooperation. However, by far the most important lessons I learned were about myself. These were not always easy lessons to learn, but I kept at it. After I learned to confront my feelings I began to understand them.
I learned what my strengths were and how to rely on myself. I learned where I had weaknesses and what I needed to do to work on them. I learned about teamwork and that I can rely and trust other people. I learned to let go of little things and live more. I learned that the most important relationship in my life is the one I have with myself. Although it was one of the most difficult things I have accomplished, my experience was an unforgettable one, and one that I know I will continue to lean on every day of my life and I want the world to be able to have this experience as well.
The picturesque backdrop of Montana is almost a character in itself. With the beautiful mountains and the frozen snow, the nature leads the story.
I went to wilderness therapy in 2007 and its taken me 12 years to get to a place where I could separate myself from this story. So this is a story of Stella. A teenager of today, way more famous and cooler than I will ever be. We hope you join us on this journey.
Bryce Bauer is a relationship coach in Utah. Bryce shares his story of mental health and substance abuse challenges as a teen and young adult which eventually led to a traumatic car accident. After a family intervention, he reluctantly enrolled in a wilderness therapy program. He shares how his journey into the field and the challenges of being a student that shifted the course of his life. Bryce would later work as a field guide in several wilderness programs. He is committed to service to others.
Bio from BryceBauer.com website: Bryce completed his first coach training in 2009 with The Coaches Training Institute in San Rafael, CA and went on to work for several drug treatment facilities in Utah, New Mexico, and Hawaii. After receiving his PCC from the International Coaches Federation in 2016, he moved into private practice and found that relationship struggles were often the common denominator in many people's life problems. He joined The Relationship School in 2018 and received his Relationship Coach Training Certification in 2019. He is now an Assistant Course Leader for the Deep Psychology of Intimate Relationships course through The Relationship School. When he isn't geeking out about relationships or coaching, he is traveling with his wife, playing basketball, hiking, mountain biking, meditating, playing volleyball, and connecting with friends. He is deeply devoted to self-development and he seeks out the top experts in the areas of life where he wants to grow the most. Some of his direct mentors include Jason Stein, Tej Steiner, and Jayson Gaddis.
Judith Sadora, Therapist at Evoke Cascades. Judith shares her story of being the first black woman therapist in a program that is part of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council, and perhaps, the first-ever black woman therapist in wilderness therapy. She shares her challenges in the field and how she connected with allies who encouraged her along the way. Judith also educates the listener on how racism should be seen through a mental health lens and how she works with teens of color in wilderness.
Judith's bio from Evoke Website:
Judith has worked with those who struggle with trauma, depression, anxiety, racial identity, substance abuse, attachment, suicide or self-harm, and process addictions (i.e video games, technology). Judith has the ability to find and help develop strengths that each individual and family possess. She then builds on these strengths to help families create new patterns of individual and relational success. She works to create change and build healthy perspectives and attachments in teens that strengthen family and parent/child relationships.
Judith has experience identifying cultural differences and contextual factors in individuals and is passionate about providing counseling for multicultural and diverse populations in adolescents and families. Judith is a strong advocate of 12-step recovery and uses a combination of CBT, Trans-generational, Existential, and Narrative interventions.
Education & Prior Work Experience Judith was born and raised on the east coast in New Jersey and New York until she moved to Las Vegas, Nevada in 2009 where she completed her bachelor's in Psychology and her master’s in Marriage and Family Therapy. Judith is now a doctoral student of Marriage and Family Therapy at North Central University with a primary focus on applied research in outdoor adventure therapy and diversity inclusion.
Prior to joining the Evoke team, Judith worked with adolescents as a Middle School Counselor and at a Residential Treatment Center in Nevada. Judith is a family therapist that has experience facilitating family & parenting workshops while also balancing a full caseload.
Strengths Judith’s hope is to help change and build healthy perspectives towards self, others, and life’s challenges. She encourages her students through her work, to think for themselves and embark on a journey towards self-understanding and self-actualization by constructing their own narrative that promotes health. Judith's passion for primarily working in an outdoor therapeutic environment is driven by her belief that nature provides opportunities that motivate individuals towards health in their mind, body, spirit journey.
Interests Judith lives with her husband in Redmond, Oregon and when she is not working, she enjoys outdoor adventures such as camping, hiking, backpacking, and kayaking. Judith enjoys weightlifting and CrossFit as a personal challenge and physical hobby. Judith and her husband also love being involved in their church community.
This episode will delve into the history of wilderness therapy and how the field responded to five pandemics (crisis) during its long evolution. Will White will share the story of how different national and global calamities were catalysts for the evolution of wilderness therapy including a viral pandemic in 1901, global strife in 1941, the civil rights movement in 1968, the great recession of 2008 and how wilderness therapy is best suited to address the mental health crisis of 2020.
Alex White is an adventure therapy outpatient clinician. His journey into the field began as a child as his parents were mental health professionals. In college, he led outdoor orientation trips for incoming students and fell in love with the work. He went onto be a field guide at Red Top Meadows a state-funded wilderness therapy program in Wyoming. He shares his journey from field staff to clinician to outpatient adventure therapist. He shares why he believes that the future of the field is outpatient.
Katie Asmus is the founder of the Somatic Wilderness Therapy Institute in Boulder, Colorado. Katie shares her journey into the field which began when she learned about outdoor education and committed to pursuing a path of growth. Katie is an inspiring therapist, coach, guide, teacher, mentor, and workshop facilitator. Her story includes being Assitant Director of Naropa University's wilderness therapy degree program and a field guide at Outward Bound. Her passion is for people and growth through wilderness therapy.
Katie's bio from her website:
Katie Asmus MA, LPC, BMP: * Is a Ceremonialist, Therapist, Coach, Guide, Teacher, Mentor, Workshop Facilitator, and overall Alive Human Being.
- Founded the Somatic Wilderness Therapy Institute to bring more connection to our bodies and the Natural World, as well as to bring more consciousness to how we as humans move through life transitions.
- Her personal mission statement is to bring forth the inherent wisdom within every-Body, to open people’s minds and hearts to greater possibilities, and to bring more love and peace to the planet through tending to the humans.
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Is a prolific speaker and creator of courses and trainings, working alone or in collaboration with others, I have presented hundreds of workshops and courses around the world and have spent thousands of days and nights teaching and guiding in the Wilderness.
Formal Education * MA Somatic Psychology, The Naropa University * BA of General Studies, University of Dayton
Certificates and trainings include: * Certified EMDR Therapy Practitioner, Consultant, & Trainer * Certified Body-Mind Psychotherapy Practitioner * Certified Right Use of Power trainer * Matrix Works Group Leadership * 29 years therapeutic nature-based and adventure trainings
Nick Magle-Haberek is the clinical director of BaMidbar Wilderness Therapy and co-founder of Adventure-Therapist.com. Nick shares his story of experiences from working as a field guide at Second Nature to being the first student in the dual master's program in Social Work and Outdoor Education at the University of New Hampshire. He has served as a clinician at Wendigo Lakes in Canada, Soltreks in Minnesota, and several others. He shares what inspired him to start Adventure-Therapist.com and its growth.
Bio from BaMidbar website: Nick grew up on a small farm in Richmond, Rhode Island where he developed a love for adventures in the outdoors. While attending the University of Maine, Nick fell in love with the field of Outdoor Education. After completing his degree Nick heeded the advice of a mentor, and moved to Utah to work as a wilderness therapy guide. This ultimately led him to the University of New Hampshire where he earned masters degrees in both Social Work and Outdoor Education. During his graduate career and onward Nick continued to develop his passion for the outdoors and helping others. He has worked in a variety of roles in the field including field guide, facilitator, individual therapist, clinical supervisor, program manager, family therapist and consultant. Nick is also on the leadership committee for the Therapeutic Adventure Professional Group where he regularly helps to organize workshops and conferences for other therapists using adventure therapy. During his career, Nick has worked with a diverse blend of adolescents and young adults who are trying to find their direction in life. Nick’s love for this work is rejuvenated during moments of connection, vulnerability, and break-through. Nick has joined the BaMidbar clinical team as a Primary Therapist and is looking forward to sharing his passion with staff and clients. When not in the wilderness helping others, Nick can be found backcountry skiing, climbing, hiking, training for triathlons, and enjoying family time with his wife and two children, Birch and River in Estes Park, CO.
Lorri Hanna is co-founder of Soltreks. Lorri has had a long career in the field from being a field guide, program director, clinician and owner of a program. Her passion for wilderness therapy began in 1980 when she hitchhiked across the country and fell in love with the outdoors. She shares her stories of working at Outward Bound, Wilderness Education Association, Ascent, and others before starting Soltreks in 1997. Lorri's inspiring story includes being a cancer survivor and a wellness warrior.
Bio from the Soltreks website: Lorri is a Certified Therapeutic Recreation Specialist with more than 25 years of practice. She is a MN Licensed Professional Counselor, Certified Registered Yoga Teacher (200), Reiki Level I & II and a Yoga Dance Instructor. Her coach training is with the Center for Transformational Coaching and Living, and the Institute of Life Coach Training. Lorri is also an artist who uses creative expression as a meditative process experience. She is also the Founder, Wellness Warrior and Vision Steward of Barefoot Souls, a body-centered wellness practice, inviting individuals to awaken and embody a deeper expression of who they are by listening to the power of their heart.
Dr. Scott Bandoroff is the founder of Peak Experience Training, which provides the Clinical First Responder Certification for those working in the field. Scott has worked in the field since the 1980s. Scott was a field guide at SUWS, where he researched family dynamics while working on his doctoral dissertation. Scott shares his thirty-year journey from being a field guide to a clinician and developing the Clinical First Responder. He shares his concerns about the future and the challenges of COVID-19.
Bio from the Peak Experience website:
Scott Bandoroff, Ph.D. is a Psychologist with over 30 years of experience in the use of adventure therapy for the treatment of teens and families. In addition to his clinical work in his private practice in Ashland, Oregon, he has served as an internship training director, clinical supervisor, consultant and trainer.
Scott began his career as a wilderness treatment program field staff where he became interested in integrating family interventions into wilderness therapy. This served as a catalyst for his dissertation research where he developed a wilderness family therapy program in 1990. He went on to publish and present extensively, and is a recognized authority in the field, learning to the co-development of the CFR training with several other recognized experts in the field.
Scott currently provides consultation and training to schools, mental health agencies, juvenile justice departments, residential treatment centers, and wilderness treatment programs. He also offers Family Adventures for families interested in an intensive wilderness therapy experience. Scott continues to enjoy backpacking, skiing, and outdoor pursuits of all kinds. He recently did a multi-day river trip on the Middle Fork of the Salmon River in Idaho and took his 12-year-old son backpacking.
What is going on in the field, and where is it going? Wilderness therapy is an essential service in every state in the nation, and most programs are operating during this early phase of the COVID-19 pandemic. Will White shares a summary of research as to how wilderness therapy is adapting and changing to meet the challenge COVID 19. He focuses on Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council Programs, which are accredited by the Association of Experiential Education and licensed by their state to operate.
David Wieder is a therapist at Legacy Outdoor Adventures. He grew up in New Mexico and ended up, after traveling through Asia, going to Prescott College. He got his first job in wilderness in 2003 as a guide at Second Nature. David shares why he was drawn to high-risk adventures like paragliding.
David tells his long history of working in the field, including at Wilderness Quest, Open Sky, and Aspiro, his love of being a field guide and why he choose to become a wilderness therapist at Legacy in Utah.
Bio from Legacy Website: David Wieder, CMHC
David's journey to wilderness therapy began with his own struggles as a teenager. What brought him through that time in his life was his discovery of the outdoors, travel, and adventure sports. These passions led him to a Bachelor of Arts degree in Adventure Education from Prescott College. David began his career in wilderness therapy in 2004 and has guided for a number of industry-leading programs. Extensive periods of time living in small groups in the backcountry inform his therapeutic emphasis on connection, the transformative nature of honesty, and experiences of overwhelming beauty. David believes that developing one's relationships is a life long practice that serves as a foundation for mental health. He knows that the context of each individual's culture and family system is central to their therapy work. David sees adventure, and not just the kind that happens in the outdoors, as an integral part of holistic health. He encourages clients to develop self-awareness and self-compassion, a prosocial orientation, and a thirst for personal growth. Witnessing breakthrough moments for individuals and groups is one of the most meaningful parts of his life.
David is from Santa Fe, New Mexico, and has spent time in each of the Four Corners states. He received his Masters of Arts in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Adams State University in southern Colorado. David can often be found playing outside, usually on large rocks or in deep snow. He also enjoys getting lost in less developed regions of the world and has lived in Asia and Latin America. He is proud to call Legacy home.
Jacob Thomason is a Parent and Family Specialist at Trails Carolina. Jacob's journey into wilderness therapy began in his last semester in graduate school when he saw a help wanted flyer at an outdoor store. He went home and applied to every wilderness therapy job he could find as he was just about to complete his degree in clinical psychology. He shares his stories of working as a clinician at Passages to Recovery in Utah, Foundation House in Maine, New Visions in Wisconsin and now at Trails Carolina.
Bio from the Trails Carolina Website:
Jacob Thomason – LPC Parent and Family Specialist
Jacob is a Licensed Clinical Professional.
Jacob began working in the wilderness therapy field nearly a decade ago and has worked in wilderness programs in Utah and Wisconsin. Additionally, he worked at an extended care sober living program in Maine and ran adventure camps while in college. Having had a family member in treatment, Jacob understands first-hand the value of including parents and siblings in the process. He is passionate about keeping attuned to the wants and needs of parents and siblings throughout the wilderness therapy experience. In his free time, he enjoys spending time with his wife and two daughters.
Dr. Steve DeMille, Executive Director, RedCliff Ascent. He grew up outside of Las Vegas and was encouraged to work at a wilderness program by his sister after he was laid off from a job. He was hired by RedCliff and then had an experience with a student, which inspired him to make wilderness therapy his career. Steve shares his inspiring story as to how he worked his way through college while working part-time in wilderness, then on getting his master's degree in counseling and later his doctorate.
Bio from the RedCliff website:
Steven DeMille, Ph.D. LCMHC EXECUTVE DIRECTOR
When a teen’s life gets off track due to significant emotional distress or dysfunctional behaviors, it is not uncommon for their life and their family’s life to unravel. My passion is to bring families the healing experiences they need to reconnect as a family and help their child put their life back together. Using nature and outdoors as our setting, we help struggling teens reconnect with their families. We also help them find happiness, and develop the maturity to handle the challenges ahead of them.
Growing up in Las Vegas, Nevada, I spent much time in the outdoors of Southern Utah. Whether hiking in Zion or rock climbing in Veyo, the outdoors was a place of peace and growth. Hence as a Mental Health Professional, I believe that the best environment for healing individuals and relationships is in the outdoors.
I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor and have worked with teens in various capacities. I began working with adolescents as a field guide at RedCliff Ascent in 2000. Subsequently, I’ve held numerous positions at RedCliff. These include Senior Field Instructor, Field Support Manager, Assistant Medical Coordinator, Primary Therapist, Research Director. And I am currently the Executive Director for RedCliff Ascent.
As a clinician, I bring a wealth of experience. This experience includes Experiential Therapies, Narrative Family Therapy, Adlerian Therapy, and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I have also worked with adolescents and families in many different settings over the years, including residential treatment, community mental health, and foster care.
My educational experience includes an MA in Mental Health Counseling and a PhD in Counselor Education and Supervision. My research focus is on wilderness therapy, nature, adolescent development, and counseling ethics. I am actively involved in the counseling and psychology profession and hold regional and national leadership positions. I publish and present on wilderness therapy and the use of the outdoor. This is done around the world at the national and international conference level.
When not working, I enjoy spending time with my wife (who was also a field staff at RedCliff Ascent) and four children. Living just outside of Zion National Park, I enjoy spending time in nature with the family. I also like history and art, and enjoy visiting fine and contemporary art museums when I travel.
Anne Wilzbacher is a therapist at Blue Ridge Wilderness Therapy's Emerald Arrow. Her journey into the field began as a child growing up in a state park as her father was a park manager. She worked at Eckerd Youth Alternatives as field staff for three years and then onto Naropa University for her Master's degree. Her vast experiences include working at AIM House and Open Sky. She also shares her inspiring story of being given the opportunity to develop the Emerald Arrow young adult program at Blue Ridge.
Bio from the Blue Ridge Website:
Personal Approach I have worked with adolescents and young adults since 2004. I rooted myself into this work by first being a field guide for several years. This is where the journey began for me. This opened up parts of myself I didn’t know existed and I experienced others way of being that inspired me to want to know more and know better about this human experience and relationships. With this foundation and continued education, I developed a strong devotion to do continued self-growth and supporting others to know their edge. With my insight and observation, I have the ability to swiftly assess and directly address students in a way that is both disarming and incredibly warm and compassionate. With my relational and authentic manner, I aim to quickly build rapport and effectively challenge core issues. I often use a psychodynamic lens to approach both individual and group with students in the wilderness. I see people as already whole and brilliant; and we are supporting them in making contact with this amidst the confusion, destruction, chaos, struggle, and depth of pain. The natural essence of the wilderness, and the creativity it provides, is my co-therapist. I collaborate closely with the field instructor team to provide a powerful united container and structure in order to create effective, change-inspiring, growth challenges for our students. I truly assess what each student may require in order to settle into this environment and into themselves. I often use playfulness, humor, and softness as well as directness and sharp redirection where it is needed.
Strengths + Clinical Expertise Trauma, family systems, identity struggles, depression, anxiety, disordered eating, personality disorders, substance abuse and addictive behaviors. Utilize Mindfulness, somatic-based practices and awareness, Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), Family Systems Awareness, Group dynamic interventions and Group Psychotherapy, Psychodynamic Theory and Modern Psychoanalysis.
Personal Interests My love of the wilderness started at a very young age in a state park of Minnesota. I grew up there with my four older brothers and the park was essentially our backyard and was very much integrated into our daily life. I discovered early on how being in nature and relating to the elements infused resilience (well that or maybe it was my older brothers) and an appreciation for life and beauty that comes with hard work and play. Throughout my schooling and travel adventures, I became intrigued with how to access and bring to light one’s own brilliance – my own and others. I enjoy working on discovering this through being outside, spontaneous adventures, playfulness and grace, mindfulness, meditation, photography, reading, writing, and listening and dancing to music any chance I get. I really value and enjoy travel (and the unique nooks and cranny’s of this world), embracing my own creativity, challenging myself daily to be better and know love more fully, and deeply appreciate connection to my family and friends. Being in and near water is one of the most healing experiences for me. I strive for and am devoted to personal growth in order to be of best contribution to myself and this world. I am a very proud Auntie Anne to currently 2 nieces and 6 nephews.
Education Masters of Contemplative Psychotherapy, Naropa University
Bachelor of Arts: Communication/Public Relations, Marquette University
Josh White is the Executive Director/Co-founder of Red Mountain Sedona. Josh's journey into the wilderness therapy field began while he was at Naropa University, where he first heard about the field. Josh would meet his future wife, Maureen, at Naropa, and they would both, later on, co-found Red Mountain. Josh, who is a "teacher at heart," worked at Wingate as a therapist for young adults. Josh shares the magic of the field, how his dog, Lulu, found him and the mindfulness focus of Red Mountain.
Bio from Red Mountain Website:
Josh earned his Master’s Degree in Psychology from Naropa University, the nation’s premier mindfulness-based therapeutic training institution, in 2002, and has had a long and distinguished career as a recognized leader and innovator within the adolescent and young adult treatment field.
A Licensed Professional Counselor, Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor, and Certified Group Psychotherapist, Josh has presented nationally at over 30 behavioral health conferences, including the Young Adult Transition Association, American Group Psychotherapy Association, Independent Educational Consultants Association, Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council, and National Association of Therapeutic Schools and Programs.
After beginning his career with adolescents and young adults as a martial arts instructor in 1994, Josh shifted his focus to behavioral health in 1998, serving as both a behavioral health technician and a Master’s-level clinician before becoming an administrator in 2005. In addition to his clinical work, Josh has served as a Program Director, Clinical Director, and Executive Director in top treatment programs for adolescents and young adults.
Josh is a Senior Instructor and the second-ranking active practitioner of Ten-Chi Kenpo, an innovative martial art combining Karate, Jujitsu, Judo, Aikido, and T’ai Chi. Josh is also one of approximately 500 teachers worldwide authorized to teach in the White Plum Zen tradition, and enjoys incorporating Zen teachings into his clinical and administrative work.
Josh served on the faculty at Naropa University and Oregon Health and Science University, and currently serves on the Board of Directors of the White Plum Zen Teachers Association and as President of Prajna Zendo, the nonprofit Zen training center founded by his teacher. Josh was also a founding officer of the Colorado Group Psychotherapy Society, has coached numerous youth baseball and soccer teams, and actively supports a number of local and national charities.
A proud husband and father whose greatest joys in life are his wife and teenage son, Josh is also an avid guitarist and former professional musician who opened for Run DMC, Vertical Horizon, Edwin McCain, and the Violent Femmes. When he’s not spending time with his family and students, he enjoys hiking in the beauty of Sedona and the Front Range; playing with his dogs; seeing live music; building and playing guitars; and competing in (and occasionally winning) Red Mountain’s long-running fantasy baseball league.
“Mindfulness saved my life. Learning how to watch and consciously engage with my thoughts, feelings and impulses saved me from a self-destructive path fueled by past trauma and poor choices. Today I am living my dream teaching and mentoring young people who are just like I was, and helping them find a path of productivity and peace.”
Steve Swayer is Co-Founder/Chief Clinical Consultant of New Visions Wilderness. Steve's journey into the wilderness field began after he had spent many years practicing as a licensed psychotherapist and was a director of a large outpatient mental practice in Wisconsin. His focus was on trauma-informed care, and when a tragedy happened in his own life, he went to Alaska to spend time in the wilderness to heal. He was so inspired that he would go onto co-found New Visions Wilderness in Wisconsin and Oregon.
From the New Visions Website: Steve Sawyer is a licensed psychotherapist filled with passion and knowledge surrounding the intervention and change process. His experience comes from over a decade of intervention with tough-to-reach client populations in therapy settings ranging from residential, community-based, outpatient and wilderness therapy. Steve is trained in several unique therapeutic models including somatic trigger release, traumatic memory reprocessing, and HeartMath. He is also recognized internationally as a Brainspotting trainer and consultant who trains outpatient therapist and treatment programs. Through his experience he has authored two books, co-founded Wisconsin’s only wilderness therapy program, New Vision Wilderness, and works as a core therapeutic training development staff with the Institute of HeartMath. He was an author in the innovative and comprehensive HeartMath Interventions Establishing a New Baseline for Sustained Behavioral Change therapist training Module that revolutionizes modern therapy interventions through an emotional physiology approach. Steve’s largest project has been the development of NVW’s Trauma Informed Care model in the wilderness setting that has challenged the entire wilderness therapy industry on making healthier interventions with their clients. Steve’s trainings are recognized nationwide for cutting-edge therapeutic techniques and inspiration.
Dr. Brad Reedy is the Clinical Director/Co-Owner of Evoke Therapy Programs. Brad discusses his long career as a wilderness clinician as well as his newest book, "The Audacity to be You." He shares his remarkable journey from being a high school drop out in California to earning his Ph.D. at Brigham Young University to getting hired as a clinician at Aspen Achievement without any wilderness experience. Brad went on to join Second Nature Wilderness as a clinician and then to be a co-founder of Evoke.
From Evoke's webpage: Dr. Reedy began his studies at Brigham Young University where he graduated Magna Cum Laude with a B.S. in Family Science. Next, he attended Loma Linda University where he received an M.S. in Marriage and Family Therapy and then returned to B.Y.U. and completed his Ph.D. in Marriage and Family Therapy.
Brad's research and clinical experience includes parenting issues, family trauma, treatment with sexual abuse victims, domestically violent offenders, adults/adolescents with substance abuse issues, eating disordered patients, sexual perpetrators, attachment issues, developmental psychology and children suffering with grief and loss. Brad works with a variety of populations that often include students with dual diagnoses and gifted intelligence. He has served on the board of the National Association of Therapeutic Schools and Programs and the Utah Department of Child and Family Services.
After years as a parent educator having broadcast over 1000 webinars on parent and family issues, Brad released the book, The Journey of the Heroic Parent: Your Child's Struggle and the Road Home. Using his personal story and stories from thousands of clients, he shares wisdom on how to think about parenting. Parents are asked to shift from relying on experts for advice to learning how to think about parenting questions by truly understanding themselves and doing their own work. Miles Adcox, Onsite CEO, praises the work as a "must-read for any parent" and Harriet Lerner, author of The Dance of Anger, calls Brad a "gentle, authentic and wise guide."
Most recently, (with his partners Rick Heizer & Matt Hoag), Brad envisioned a company that focused on the whole health of the people it served as well as it's employees. In this spirit, they founded Evoke Therapy Programs where Brad now serves as Clinical Director. He travels the country lecturing, running parenting workshops, and hosting weekly webinars to support parents and families. These broadcasts are also available on your podcast app. His parenting book is used as a foundational principle in the Evoke Therapy Programs model and is also used industry-wide to educate and support families.
Born and raised in Orange County, California, the middle of three boys, Brad was raised by his mother. He grew up surfing, listening to Bob Dylan, and causing his mom a great deal of grief. Brad is married and has four children. He is an avid fan of the Los Angeles Lakers and the Los Angeles Angels and can be easily engaged in a debate on any sports-related topic.
Kirsten Bolt is a clinical therapist at Open Sky. She is a licensed marriage and family therapist and began her journey into the field in 2004 as a field guide at Aspen Achievement Academy (AAA). She shares her story of being a field guide to being a clinician in a wilderness program. Kirsten shares her heartbreaking experience of being a clinician at AAA as it closed. After AAA closed Kirsten immediately called Open Sky Wilderness and was hired. Kirsten shares her amazing work with adolescent girls.
Bio from Open Sky Website:
Kirsten is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. She graduated from Syracuse University in 1999, Summa Cum Laude, with a BS in Health and Exercise Science. Instead of following her projected course to study Biomechanics, she turned west, seeking something that felt missing. That trip landed her in Utah amid stunning red-rock canyons, wide sandy rivers, and abundant sunshine. Kirsten finds wilderness to be a uniquely powerful setting for young people to connect to themselves, to others, and to their means of contributing to the world.
Her wilderness therapy career began as a field guide in 2004. In that role, she felt drawn to the deeply intimate, interpersonal work that occurred with families, and in 2007 she enrolled at the University of Oregon to complete a graduate degree in Couple and Family Therapy. Her other clinical experiences enable her to understand complex intra- and interpersonal dynamics. Her clinical background includes working at the Center for Family Therapy in Eugene, Oregon, with couples, families, and individuals of all ages experiencing a wide variety of struggles. She facilitated bereavement support groups for elementary-aged children, served high school girls in an impoverished community, led mother-daughter support groups, and provided individual and family therapy services at a center for girls aged 10-18. Kirsten is particularly passionate about family therapy, and she believes family growth is vital in working with young people individually.
Following graduate school, she worked for two years as a wilderness therapist at Aspen Achievement Academy and then, in 2011, joined Open Sky to deepen her holistic approach to wellness. Since then she has worked with adolescent boys and girls, as well as young adult men and women. Kirsten’s expertise and passion manifest most in working with adolescent girls. She works with a wide range of adolescent girls, from clinically complex, treatment-resistant girls with complicated family systems and externalizing behaviors to over-functioning girls who internalize their emotions and hurt themselves as a result. As a family therapist, Kirsten is skilled in clarifying complicated systemic issues and helping formulate a concrete diagnostic assessment. She is supportive of parents who might need extra coaching due to anxiety, grief, and other personal struggles. With her firm and directive approach, Kirsten confronts presenting issues and holds students and families accountable to their therapeutic work, while circumventing the shame that can interfere with progress.
Kirsten evokes peer confrontation and challenge as an additional means to elicit change. Common themes she emphasizes are emotional regulation, assertive communication, identity development, vulnerability, and healthy relationships. She incorporates humor and playfulness and quickly develops strong therapeutic relationships. She works collaboratively and uses the entire treatment team (the family system, Open Sky staff, previous home professionals, educational consultants, etc.) to help students stabilize, assess clinical issues and needs, and treat presenting issues while developing an appropriate longer-term treatment plan. Kirsten incorporates principles of Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocesssing Therapy (EMDR) to support students with issues related to emotional dysregulation, trauma, and emerging personality disorders.
Most of Kirsten’s childhood was spent in Maryland, but she also was privileged to spend five years overseas in England and Germany. Still living in Utah, Kirsten finds inspiration observing the landscape, running whitewater rivers, climbing sandstone cracks, mountain biking, trail running, skiing, playing guitar and piano, and spending quality time with her husband, children, dogs, and cats. Kirsten is humbled daily by her personal experiences as a mother, stepmother, and partner, and she believes her clinical work is significantly deeper as a result.
Daniel Fishburn is the Executive Director of SUWS of the Carolina's. Daniel shares his journey into wilderness therapy, which first began in 1987 when he worked as staff at Wediko, a therapeutic summer camp. After college, he did human rights work in El Salvador and went on to get his M.S.W. Daniel shares his remarkable story of service to others in a variety of public and private settings throughout the country. He returned to the wilderness therapy field as Clinical Director at SUWS in 2014.
From the SUWs Website:
Daniel Fishburn has been helping young people “find their way” in a variety of settings for 30 years, including close to 20 years as a licensed clinician. He received his BA in Psychology at The Catholic University of American in Washington DC., and his MSW from the University of Houston Graduate School of Social Work. From the war zones of El Salvador to the streets of Dallas and Houston, Daniel has served families through numerous organizations such as Child Protective Services, public health agencies, community mental health, adolescent and adult substance abuse treatment, young adult transitional programs, and most recently at a therapeutic boarding school. From the frontline staff to leadership, Daniel is highly experienced in working at the organizational level to create powerful, positive change.
In Daniel’s personal life, he is committed to mindfulness science and practice, nature adventure, and volunteer service in the Asheville community. He is involved nationally in the Recovery Dharma movement and engages in education/advocacy for LGBTIQ youth.
Madhurii Barefoot, Co-founder, and Co-owner of True North Wilderness in Vermont. Mod was born and raised in Vermont and went to boarding school, where she was first exposed to wilderness expeditions. Mod would pursue the path of wilderness via a gap year at NOLS. She shares her story of meeting her future husband, Ty Maves, at a SUWS of Idaho field staff orientation. They both left SUWS to pursue Masters's degrees. Mod and Ty helped start SUWS of the Carolinas and then began True North in her hometown.
From the True North Website:
Madhurii Barefoot was born and raised in the Mad River Valley. She attended boarding school in Connecticut, and the Mountain School of Milton Academy, a Semester program in Vermont focused on experiential education, community building, and outdoor recreation. She received her Bachelor’s degree from Smith College and went on to participate in several experiential and outdoor educational programs; including a NOLS semester in Patagonia, Chile.
Mod pursued her love of outdoor education and experiential learning by becoming a field instructor at a Wilderness Therapy Program in Idaho. She went on to earn her Master’s degree in Clinical Social Work from Portland State University in Portland, Oregon. She helped to establish and develop a non-profit organization supporting the health, welfare, and education of girls, as well as working with adolescent girls and their families in a variety of outpatient settings before returning to the program in Idaho as a wilderness therapist specializing in working with adolescent girls.
Mod continued to work exclusively with adolescent girls as a licensed Clinical Social Worker at True North and as Clinical Director until 2018. She currently works closely with the administrative team to maintain our very high program standards, provides additional support to the clinical team as well as the admissions and outreach team, and is available as a resource to referral sources. Mod continues to participate in program development and alumni programming.
Mod has traveled extensively, lived in Switzerland and Chile, and enjoys cooking, traveling, and skiing. She lives in North Fayston, Vermont with her husband (and True North co-owner and Executive Director Ty Maves) and their three children.
Thom Pollard is an Emmy award-winning Director of Photography and Filmmaker who has filmed from Easter Island to the summit of Mount Everest and everything in between. His adventure photographs have appeared in numerous books and publications, including National Geographic. Thom shares his fascinating story of why spending time on high-risk wilderness expeditions is a therapeutic process for him and what drives him to continue to return to Mount Everest year after year. Listen to his Baker Street Podcast!
From his Eyes Open Productions Website:
Thom Pollard of EYES OPEN PRODUCTIONS is an award-winning Director of Photography and Filmmaker who has filmed from Easter Island to the summit of Mount Everest and everything in between. His films and camera work have won numerous television, film and production awards, including an Emmy for (Orphan Orca/PBS), finalist of the British Academy of Film and Television Arts for best cinematography (Lost on Everest/BBC) as well as a Silver Telly in the Nature/Wildlife category for his camera work on a Mako shark documentary (Monster Fish). His photographs have appeared in dozens of books and languages worldwide, as well as in numerous publications, including National Geographic Magazine.
Thom is an experienced public speaker, thrilling audiences across North America with his tales of adventure, using his brilliant photographs and films. He is said to have the “It” factor. His presentations create powerful impressions for schools, businesses and annual events.
Thom has filmed four Everest documentaries spanning two decades, for PBS, the BBC, National Geographic and Sony.
Anson McNulty is the Operations Director and Co-Owner of Summit Achievement. Anson grew up in New York City, and at a young age, he was diagnosed with dyslexia and sent to boarding school for teens with learning disabilities, where he first experienced the outdoors. Anson shares his unique journey into the wilderness field which includes traveling the world as a teen, working at The Wilderness School (a state-funded wilderness program), to being a field guide, team leader, and now co-owner of Summit.
From Summit Achievements Website:
Anson McNulty earned his Bachelor’s degree in Outdoor Recreation Administration from Unity College. He is also certified as Wilderness First Responder, CPR Instructor, and CPI (Crisis Prevention and Intervention) instructor. Anson has been working with troubled teens in wilderness and residential settings since 2000 and is dedicated to helping struggling teens find their way utilizing experiential learning. Anson has worked at Summit Achievement since 2002. Anson enjoys family time with his wife and son, and adventuring in the backcountry, whether it be paddling, rock climbing or skiing.
Tim McMahon and Jason Cox are co-owners of Brightstone Transitions, a Young Adult Transitional Program. They met over a decade ago in Georgia when Tim was directing a state-funded wilderness therapy program, and Jason showed up late for a job interview dressed in a suit and tie. Eventually, they connected as they both believed in the value of the connection between field guides and students. They share why state-funded wilderness therapy camps closed in the South and how they went onto start Brightstone.
Bios from Brightstone Transitions Website:
Tim McMahon is the Founder and Owner of Brightstone Transitions. Tim has been working in the field of therapeutic programming for over 20 years. He has helped design and implement residential, therapeutic, and academic programs across the country. Tim is married with two children. When not at work, he enjoys spending time outdoors with his two daughters.
While managing 10 intensive residential treatment programs located in 6 different states across the country, Tim began to realize that there was need for resources to help young adults who, despite therapeutic intervention, needed support to move forward. These young adults appeared stuck, and were often unable to make plans that allowed them to advance. These young adults needed guidance, but often did not respond to the traditional clinical interventions. It was out of Tim’s passion for helping these untraditional young adults that Brightstone Transitions was born.
Tim has a hands-on approach to running Brightstone. Tim believes that the key to reaching these young adults is through personal relationships. With that in mind, Tim designed Brightstone to be a very small and very individualized program.
Tim brings a wealth of experience and personal knowledge to Brightstone which he uses to help his clients and families build a foundation for success. He helps clients to define clear goals and develop plans to work toward those goals. Tim believes in an action oriented approach that moves clients beyond the classroom and into real life experience.
Jason Cox is the Director of Business Development for Brightstone Transitions. He brings a wide variety of experiences and passions to the Brightstone team. Jason comes to Brightstone with years of management experience in both therapeutic programming and summer camp programs.
Jason has a great deal of experience in designing and implementing programming to help young people. Jason started his career working with inner city youth in the Atlanta area in a wilderness based programming for over seven years. Helping to develop programing for boarding schools on the East Coast became his main focus before moving on to other programing areas. Through the years, Jason has had the opportunity to work with several camps and schools across the country. Jason accepted a job as the Director of Conferences, Retreats and Summer Programming for the Greater Seattle YMCA. Jason then moved to San Francisco to work with the Boys & Girls Club of San Francisco where he served as Assistant Camp Director of Programs and helped to connect Bay Area inner city youth with healthier lifestyles through the outdoors. After several years of work with the Boys & Girls Club of San Francisco, Jason took an opportunity to run a program near his family in North Carolina. During that work, Jason developed a passion for helping young adults that led him to Brightstone.
Jason takes an active approach to working with clients and their families, but his work does not stop at the admission process. He continues to be involved with clients and their families throughout their time at Brightstone. A major focus of his work with young adults is helping them find and pursue their individual passions. Jason understands that this often leads to young adults finding newways to be successful. Jason received a bachelor’s degree in Political Science with a concentration in Southern Urban Minority Politics from East Carolina University. Jason enjoys the outdoors and spending time with his family. Jason and his wife’s enjoy taking their son on adventures across the country.
Sarah Gallimore is a field guide at Elements Wilderness Therapy. Sarah grew up in New Hampshire and went to the UNH for college, which is where she learned about wilderness therapy. Sarah shares how helping out with an AEE Accreditation review in Utah was when she realized that she wanted to be a field guide in a wilderness therapy program in Utah.
She shares her story of graduating from UNH and leaving the east coast to pursue a job in wilderness therapy in Utah. Sarah has guided for over 2 years.
Samuel Adams, Lead Field Guide at Aspiro Adventures. Sam grew up in the Adirondacks region of New York with a family who embraced the outdoors. In high school, he became a father and struggled to handle it. He grew through the struggle and became connected with wilderness therapy in college. His dream in college was to be a wilderness therapy guide. He shares his story of getting a job at Aspiro through a website and went to the orientation process, where he earned a position which he "loves."
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Norman Elizondo is the Family Wellness Counselor at Open Sky. Norman's journey into the wilderness field began when his dying mother encouraged him to leave his finance career and "do something that would really help people." Norman shares his extraordinary journey from being an immigrant from the Philippines to growing up in the Chicago area to working in finance to leaving that to be a field guide at Aspen Achievement Academy. He would leave Aspen and become part of the founding team of Open Sky in 2006.
From the Open Sky Website:
Norman earned his BS in Business Management from the University of Illinois at Chicago and began his professional career in investment analysis. Following the death of his mother, he considered her parting advice about doing work that really helps people and began his career in wilderness therapy as a field instructor at Aspen Achievement Academy.
As an immigrant from the Philippines, becoming educated and assimilating into American society has driven Norman to work hard, adapt, and feel a tremendous sense of gratitude for being a U.S. citizen. As such he has enjoyed tremendous opportunity; one of the largest and most meaningful was to help found Open Sky.
Norman served as the first field guide for Open Sky, receiving the first student in May of 2006. Demonstrating both a command of wilderness skills and an aptitude for therapeutic skills, he moved quickly to being a senior field instructor and then a trainer for field instructors.
The focus on family systems and parallel process with parents has been an inspiration and driving force in Norman’s time with Open Sky. He helped create the programming for the Wellness Weekends and has facilitated these weekend intensives since the very first one in 2006. He takes a special pride and pleasure in helping parents understand their child’s work at Open Sky and developing the same basic skill sets of emotional regulation, assertive communication, and effective boundary holding that are so crucial in parenting. In addition to the Wellness Weekends, he facilitates the parent support calls, graduations, meditation instruction, and field guide training.
Meditation has been a cornerstone of Norman’s life. His years of practice deeply influence his ability to work with people in crisis and to train others how to develop their confidence and emotional resilience to work with challenging populations. With prior study and practice in the Southeast Asian Theravada tradition beginning in 1995, Norman has been studying and training as meditation instructor in the Tibetan tradition since 2001. He is a certified meditation teacher with the Dharma Ocean Foundation.
As part of his commitment and ongoing training in meditation, Norman spends 4-6 weeks each year in retreat along with his daily practice. With most of his vacation time spent in retreat, he finds it important to make time in his daily life for exercise, playing music—DJing, singing, and drumming—and getting into the outdoors just for fun.
Doug Dobkowski is a Team Leader at Summit Achievement. Doug grew up in New Jersey and went on to get a teaching degree in college. Doug worked as a middle school teacher for eight years in Newark. He shares his story of how he began an Outing Club at the middle school, which inspired him to become an outdoor leader. He landed his first job as a wilderness therapy field guide in his mid 30's. He shares how he hopes to start a program that "helps every teenager in the U.S. have an outdoor adventure."
Zhenda Glover is a field guide at Evoke Cascades located in Oregon. She was born and raised in Bulgaria and had never heard the two words "wilderness' and "therapy" put together until she moved to Oregon. Zhenda became enamored with wilderness therapy after attending a field guide orientation at Evoke and has been committed to the field ever since. Zhenda was recognized for her outstanding field guide service at Evoke at the 2019 Wilderness Therapy Symposium, where she was a Jumping Mouse recipient.
Rachel Rollins is a therapist at Juniper Canyon Recovery Center in Utah. She first learned about wilderness therapy when she was enrolled in a program as a teen which is where she first learned to "love self and wilderness." After graduating from the University of Vermont, Rachel traveled the world but felt unsatisfied until she returned to the wilderness field. She shares her fascinating journey from being a student to a field guide to a clinician. Rachel shares why she loves the wilderness therapy field.
L. Jay Mitchell is one of the elders in the field of wilderness therapy as he co-founded the School of Urban and Wilderness Survival (SUWS) in Idaho and Alldredge Academy in West Virginia. SUWS was the first for-profit, private pay primitive skills wilderness therapy program in the U.S. and helped spawn the movement of wilderness therapy in the west. L. Jay shares his stunning story of leaving a troubled home as a teen to working his way through college and the many influences and people who started SUWS.
From L. Jays Mitchell's LinkedIn page:
Co-founder/owner of 3 highly successful residential programs for emotionally challenged adolescents, L Jay has a nationwide reputation as an innovator and entrepreneur in this industry. My program/schools have over 10,000 graduates from all 50 states and 24 foreign countries.
My career began as an attorney (JAG) in the US Air Force where I defended hundreds of armed forces personnel in criminal proceedings and administrative discharges. In doing so I frequently worked with forensic psychologists and psychiatrists, where I developed a comprehensive interest and empathy for victims of psychological injuries. This continued into MY civil law practice.
The interest evolved into a passion, and I used MY skills and research to harness wilderness therapy as a viable option to assist troubled teens. In 1981 I co-founded The SUWS Adolescent Program which is a pioneer in creating not only a wilderness therapy model that was low cost, short term and effective, but had a viable business model to perpetuate itself. This was a disruptive innovation to conventional residential care providing an affordable, alternative treatment model that did not exist in the public arena.
These innovations led to founding The Alldredge Academy, a semester-long program for Adolescents that included a new therapeutic model and context, The Village. In an indigenous type setting students experienced the transforming power of virtue/ethics, life purpose, existential questioning, and self-identity.
Next, I founded the Greenbrier Academy for Girls, a therapeutic/academic boarding school that includes its own Village and the creation of the therapeutic model, Applied Relationality.
My book, "Decide Now-The Good Life or the Best Life", explains some of the assumptions of this model. My entity, TAS Development, continues to create collaborations and research to find new and better ways to good mental health.
John Conway was the chair of the Outdoor Behavioral Council during a time of rapid growth. He grew up in Illinois and wanted to work in wilderness therapy but thought he would have to move away from Chicago to get a job in the field. John tells the story of how his first job offer after getting his MSW was at a state-funded wilderness therapy program in Illinois. John shares the story about being the Chair of the OBH Council when the organization took over the wilderness therapy symposium, accreditation, and rapid growth.
From the Edge Learning Community Website:
John Conway has a passion for assisting individuals, families, and groups in achieving their potential. John has spent significant time in the wilderness as a trip lead and wilderness therapist and as the program director of a community-based wilderness therapy program. John has trained guides and therapists all over the world, as well as serving as past chair of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council (OBHC) and has held several leadership roles on the Therapeutic Adventure Professional Group (TAPG) of the Association of Experiential Education (AEE).
John is a graduate of Coe College (BA) and Loyola University, Chicago (MSW) and is currently a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Certified Alcohol and other Drug Counselor.
Emily (Jonesie) Jones spent every summer of her childhood living at a summer camp that her parents worked at. After college, she worked at a farm and traveled all over, including South America. Jonesie shares the fascinating story of being in Peru and participating in a ceremony that changed the course of her life. She followed her path of service to Open Sky, where she has been a field guide for 2 1/2 years. Jonsie how she takes care of herself as a guide and why she "loves" being in the field.
Jonesie's bio from the Open Sky Website:
Jonesie grew up spending every summer at a residential summer camp in Northern Wisconsin, where her family lived and worked. It was there that she developed her love of nature. Later she worked as a guide at the camp, in college, and in the U.S. Virgin Islands, leading backpacking, rafting, kayaking, and snorkeling. She came to Open Sky in January 2017 with prior experience as a wilderness therapy guide.
Many arrows pointed Jonesie toward the field of wilderness therapy, rooted in the idea of mindfulness and intentional communities outside. Everything about Open Sky aligned with her personal values of authenticity, nonjudgement, mindfulness, and the belief of innate goodness within every person. She most values the mindfulness and intentionality that comes with being a field guide. She loves to witness the shift in students’ hearts when these practices open them up to deeper levels of themselves. Creativity and humor are Jonesie’s biggest strengths within the Guide Team. She is very perceptive and can create spaces with meaning and metaphor that are attuned to the individual.
During her free time, Jonesie likes to connect to the Durango community through volunteer work with gardens, painting murals, farmers markets, and visiting nursing homes with her therapy dog. It is important to her to live with intentionality in all aspects of her life. She is also an aspiring trapeze artist and can currently walk on her hands for 21 seconds!
Meaghan Farrell is a field guide at Elements Traverse in Utah. Meaghan shares her journey into the wilderness therapy field and how she worked all over the country in different outdoor education programs until she found Elements Traverse. Meaghan has been a field guide for two years and talks about the pros and cons of being a field guide and the challenges of a week on week off schedule. Meaghan shares how this is the longest job she has ever held and why it is, “the best job” she ever had.
Meaghan's bio from Elements Traverse website: Meaghan was born in the great mitten state of Michigan, where she grew up enjoying camping with her family in the summer and spending as much time outside as possible. After graduating from Aquinas College in 2015 with a bachelors degree in Outdoor Recreation, she began going back and forth across the country working seasonal outdoor jobs, teaching outdoor education, and working for non-profits. After discovering that her two most cherished jobs have been working at a residential treatment center and as a backpacking guide in Yosemite, she knew she had a calling for wilderness therapy. Meaghan is a strong believer that the outdoors is a beneficial place for people of all backgrounds and interests. She is excited to teach and share her love for the outdoors.
Phil Bryan is a clinical assistant at Evoke Entrada. Phil shares his story of working as a field guide for almost 20 years in various programs, including Aspen Achievement Academy, Summit Achievement, Outward Bound Voyager, Elements Wilderness Therapy, and Outback. Phil shares his experiences of being on the "Brat Camp" television series and why he decided to get a dual master's degree at the University of New Hampshire in Social Work and Adventure Therapy after working in the field for over 20 years.
Jory Hanselman is the director of BaMidbar Wilderness Therapy, located in Colorado. BaMidbar is the first Jewish wilderness therapy program in the United States. Jory shares her inspiring journey from her teenage years when she asked her parents to send her to a wilderness therapy program to being a camp counselor at a Jewish summer camp to being a field guide at wilderness programs. She shares how BadMidbar evolved and how the program helps young Jewish people with its unique wilderness therapy model.
From BaMidBar Wilderness Therapy website: Jory Hanselman has dedicated her personal and professional career to engaging youth and emerging adults in meaningful outdoor experiences, and helping youth build personal resiliency and the skills necessary to grow and thrive in a complex world. Jory has experienced wilderness programs from the client and staff perspective, from field and office formats, in Jewish and secular settings, and in the private industry and the nonprofit sectors. She has over 400 professional “field days” managing youth from 13-26 through organizations focused on education, recreation, therapy, and workforce development. Jory sees the wilderness therapy model as an extremely powerful environment and believes that BaMidbar Wilderness Therapy can help magnify that impact through Jewish learning, providing a foundational tapestry for clients that builds Jewish identity and provides the framework for youth to experience meaningful transitions to independent and healthy adult lives. Jory holds a Bachelors of Science degree in Environmental Studies and Philosophy from Tufts University and is a Master of Public Administration degree candidate at University of Colorado – Denver’s School of Public Affairs.
Chris Luchesi is a field guide at Legacy Outdoor Adventures. Chris grew up outside of Boston but had not even heard of wilderness therapy until he was in his 30's. Chris was on a career track working for the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority in Boston when he "heard the call" of working in wilderness therapy after learning about Outward Bound and Legacy. He shares his remarkable story of leaving everything he was familiar with to move to Utah and work as a field guide at Legacy at the age of 38
Guy Dumas is a coach of graduates of wilderness programs (guydumas.com). Guy joined the wilderness therapy field in 1996 direct from the Army where he was a graduate of West Point and the Army’s Ranger School. He began working at Aspen Achievement Academy and found a new mission. Over 1000 days in the field. Over 500 days carrying a survival pack. Over 10,000 hours of practice. He shares stories from his early days in wilderness and how being a field guide "helped train me to be a good parent."
Dr. Christine Norton is a leading researcher, practitioner, and teacher in the field of wilderness therapy. She is an associate professor of social work at Texas State University, a researcher at the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Center, and was field staff at Outward Bound and the Dallas Salesmanship Club Camp. Christine shares her journey into wilderness therapy from being raised as an evangelical minister's daughter to becoming a leading researcher/practitioner of wilderness therapy. Christine shares some of the challenges she has faced in her journey as a woman in wilderness therapy and how she has responded to those challenges.
Shannon Palentchar is the Director of Admission of Summit Achievement in Maine. Shannon grew up in North Carolina and went on an Outward Bound course right after high school and it changed the direction of her life. She became a river guide which helped her to pay her way through college. Shannon was a field guide at SUWS of the Carolina's in the early 2000's. She would then go onto work at Stone Mountain School as a residential staff and then admissions director. Shannon joined Summit Achievement in 2014.
Shannon shares her stories about how important it is to have good boundaries as a field staff or admissions director in a wilderness program.
Emily Fernandes is co-founder and executive director at Open Sky Wilderness Therapy. Emily grew up in Vermont and went to college in Maine. Emily started working in the field in 1995 at The Wilderness School in Connecticut and went onto work at Aspen Achievement Academy in Utah. She co-founded Open Sky Wilderness in 2005 with Aaron Fernandes who would later become her husband. She shares her stories of being a field guide, clinician, clinical director and co-founder of a wilderness therapy program.
She shares her experiences of doing over 1000 field days as a field guide as well as being on the television show, "Brat Camp."
Hilary Moses, Co-Owner of Solutions Parenting Support, has worked in the wilderness field since 2001. She has been a field guide and a therapist at SUWS of Idaho as well as therapist and clinical director at Pacific Quest. Hilary journey into the field began as a young person when traveling to wilderness programs with her mother who is an educational consultant.
Hilary's story includes being on the first rolling admissions team at SUWS and joining Pacific Quest a year after it opened. She shares stories of "powerhouse women" in the field and her coaching model with families.
Joanna Lilley is the founder of Lilley Consulting, which is a therapeutic consulting practice that specializes in helping young adults (ages 17 plus) and their families. Joanna's journey into the field started as a young person when she would accompany her father to his work at a group home for adolescent boys. Her father would take the boys camping, which inspired Joanna. After college Joanna interned at SOAR and then was a field guide at True North Wilderness and then at the Wilderness School in Connecticut. She would go onto work at two Universities where she was an academic coach for students on academic probation. From these experiences, she was inspired to start her consulting practice.
As a field guide, Joanna learned how to "work with those who are not self-motivated" and encourages young people interested in wilderness therapy to start as a field guide.
Karen Scrafford is co-founder and program director of Elements Wilderness Therapy located in Utah. Her journey into the field began when she went to school at Indiana University. After graduation, she headed to Utah and began to work first as a field guide, assistant field guide, then admissions at Second Nature. Karen shares how she was approached by the other co-founders of Elements to start the program because of her amazing work ethic. Karen was just elected to be the vice-chair of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council and her vision for the future of the field.
Dr. Justine O'Donnell is a psychologist who specializes in performing neuropsychological evaluations for young people while they are enrolled in wilderness therapy programs. Justine started her journey into the wilderness therapy field as a field guide at SUWS of Idaho. When she started at SUWS field guides would go out into the field for three weeks at a time. She shares her story of being a field guide, then becoming a licensed psychologist and returning to the field. She was a clinician at SUWS of Idaho and True North Wilderness Therapy. She is now a psychologist who does neuropsychological testing with students at wilderness therapy programs all over the country. She shares how she felt that "being a woman working in the wilderness therapy field was very empowering" and how her closest relationships are still from her days as a field guide.
Anngela Wells Starnes is the Director of Admissions and Marketing for Q and A Associates in West Virginia. Anngela's entry into the wilderness therapy field started as a child for her father, Larry Wells, was one of the pioneers in the primitive skills model of wilderness therapy. Angela worked at Expedition Outreach as a teen and Wilderness Quest as an adult after taking several years away from the field while struggling with addiction and recovery. She was the admissions director at Wilderness Quest for over 18 years which her father, and step-mother, owned and operated. Angela shares her story and encourages those entering the field to remember "it is really about the families we serve and every life is important."
Tracey Bachrach is the Director of Business Development at Point School, Puerto Rico. Tracey entry into the wilderness field started when she as a field guide at SUWS of the Carolina's. She worked at SUWS for over four years, which translates into two years living in the outdoors. She encourages young people interested in the wilderness field to find a program in an area where they want to live and jump right in.
Tracey is now living in Puerto Rico and working at the Point School. She states that "wilderness therapy can occur in any outdoor setting." She shares that at the Point School young men "learn to surf, scuba dive and are incredibly active." Tracey has studied with the leaders Positive Psychology filed and applies what she has learned to all parts of her life.
Margie Lannon is Co-Founder of Onward Transitions a young adult transition program located in Portland, Maine. Margie had worked for 26 years in the wilderness field. She started as field staff on wagon trains that crossed the country and transitioned to being a program director on tall-ships that crossed the ocean with inner-city youth when she worked at VisionQuest. She would transition to Summit Achievement in 1999 where she was program director for over a decade. Margie's encourages people those entering the field, "to listen and absorb feedback to see what is true and what is not."
Margie's two passions are working with "troubled teens and the elderly." She pursues both as CFO of Onward Transitions in Portland, Maine and the owner of Homewatch Caregivers of Tucson, Arizona.
Lily Wilkinson is the Outreach Director of Aim House in Boulder, CO. Lily's entry into the wilderness field occurred when she was eighteen years old and enrolled in a wilderness therapy program which she says, "saved my life." Lily describes her journey of growing up in a supportive family yet struggling with crippling anxiety. She developed several maladaptive coping skills, which resulted in numerous challenges throughout her teen years. Lily shares her story and how wilderness therapy helped her gain the insight she needed to make changes in her life.
After completing her wilderness therapy program, Lily transitioned to AIM House in 2010 as a participant. Lily excelled in the AIM House program as well as in the Boulder community. While at the University of Colorado, Lily became very involved in the creation and growth of the CU Collegiate Recovery Program. After graduation, she began working with students in recovery from addiction and other mental health challenges. She joined AIM House as Outreach Director in 2010.
Audrey Peavey is Outreach Director at Potomac Program. Audrey's entry into the field occurred in 2001 when a friend of hers asked her to be the admissions director of New Horizons for Young Women. New Horizons for Young Women was a wilderness program located in Maine that worked exclusively with girls ages 13-18. Audrey worked at the program from the day it opened in 2000 to the day it closed in 2008. Audrey recounts the unique history of the program and what she learned in the process. Audrey has served the field in many ways, including being a board member of the National Association of Therapeutic Schools and Programs (NATSAP).
She encourages women entering the field to "find great women mentors" and get connected with Evolvingwomen.net.
Audrey Peavey is currently Outreach Director at Potomac Programs which provides coaching, intensive outpatient services, and partial hospital programs in different locations across the country.
Angie Shockley is the founder of Q & A Associates, located in Davis, West Virginia. Q & A Associates has three different programs that help young adults who have struggled to sustain a productive and positive transition into adulthood.
Angie began working in the field in the mid-1990s at an adjudicated boys program in West Virginia. She became disenchanted in the state-run program and joined Alldredge Academy in 2001 as the educational director. She eventually became the Executive Director at Alldredge Academy and directed it for five years. The program was sold to a larger corporation and it ended up closing shortly thereafter.
Angie went onto work at Eckerd Youth Alternatives for five years to help that program move into the private pay market. Angie encourages those interested in working in the field to,"spend time growing up and then step into your power."
Mary Hickey is a parent coach at Parent Coaching Professionals and Second Nature Wilderness. Her journey into the field started as a child at summer camp and progressed at Prescott College in the 1990s, where she first learned about wilderness therapy. Mary began working in the field in 1997 at WildernessQuest. She recounts the primitive skills orientation of WildernessQuest and how she became a lead instructor shortly after starting. She encourages those interested in the field to "be open" to the process and set aside personal agendas.
She shares how she did 210 field days in less than a year as she would work six weeks at WildernessQuest. Mary went on to work at Spring Ridge Academy, an all-girls boarding school in Prescott where 80% of the students had come from wilderness. She has moved onto doing parent coaching, and she shares how she works with families.
Sarah Mack is Director of Parent Coaching at Second Nature Wilderness Therapy. She has been a leader in the field for over 25 years. For the majority of her career in wilderness therapy, she worked at Catherine Freer Wilderness Therapy, which she joined in 1994. Sarah recounts the history of Catherine Freer Wilderness, including its unique model, her role in the executive team, its contributions to the field, and how the program closed in 2012. She encourages women entering the field to be "feel empowered and dive in."
Sarah shares how she fell in love with the parent coaching and how she became certified as a parent coach as well as how a parent coach helps families who teen or young adult is in wilderness therapy. Sarah encourages families to realize that they must go through a change process while their teen or young adult is wilderness or things will regress back to old patterns.
Heidi Strand is Executive Director at Lake House Academy in North Carolina. Heidi worked for more than 20 years as a professional in organized camping including Girl Scout camps as well as being the director of several summer camps. She found her first job in the field as the Executive Director at New Visions Wilderness field via Facebook. Heidi believes strongly in cultivating mentors in the field. Her advice to anyone (men or women) interested in the field is to "find your voice" and "you have to be clear about what you want and be honest with yourself about this journey."
Heidi is now Executive Director at Lake House Academy is a therapeutic boarding school for girls ages 10-14 where the leadership team is all women
Patricia Ruggles, LCPC, is a Therapeutic Consultant at Mason and Associates. Trish has been working in the wilderness therapy field for over 15 years in a variety of positions including field staff, team leader, and therapist. She has worked all over the country, including Oregon, New York, and Maine. Her advice to women interested in the field is to "be curious, be open, and be brave."
Trish shares her story of being raised in Maine and going to college to study quantitative research. After college she Googles, "Maine, Women and Clinical" and comes upon a wilderness therapy job at New Horizons for Young Women (which closed in 2008) and gets a job. So begins her long career in the field. In her career, she has worked at Catherine Freer Wilderness Therapy, Adirondack Leadership Expeditions, and Summit Achievement.
Mike Petree, Founder of Petree Consulting, which helps wilderness therapy programs do evidenced-based research by teaching effective ways to collect data and review outcomes.
Mike shares his story on how in 1999 he and his wife, Bekkah, who both had high paying jobs decided to respond to a help-wanted ad for wilderness therapy field guides and shortly after that received a VCR cassette. The video, from Red Cliff Ascent, changed their lives forever as after viewing it, they quit their jobs and decided to work together as wilderness field guides for the first several years of their marriage. Mike also shares how, during his orientation training, he had an experience that confirmed to him that he was following the right path into wilderness therapy.
Mike has had many roles in the wilderness therapy field, but his strength is in looking at the data to see what is and what is not working in the field of wilderness therapy.
Bryan Delaney, Program director at SUWS of the Carolinas, has been working in the outdoors with adolescents since he was a young man. Much of his early outdoor training was in the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) and he would go onto become an Eagle Scout as a teen. In college he worked for several years at the BSA's world’s largest summer camp, Philmont Scout Ranch, and was offered a full time job there. Bryan, who is gay, refused the job after being asked to sign a document in order to be employed at Philmont saying he was not. Bryan shares this story and why continues to be be involved in Scouting and wilderness therapy.
After college Bryan pursued a career in the outdoor education industry and worked as a field instructor for numerous wilderness programs.Bryan has been an industry influence in wilderness programs and boarding schools for over 15 years. He started as a residential staff at Brush Ranch School and in 2003 became a field instructor at Second Nature Blue Ridge (SBNR). While at SNBR, he held positions as Mentor instructor, Program Coordinator and Field Director.
Paul Wolf is the Director of the Outdoor Leadership and Wilderness Therapy Program at Southwestern Community College located in Sylva, North Carolina. This program is the only one in the nation that provides a certificate in wilderness therapy for those interested in working as field staff. Paul helped developed the certificate program and has been the director and mentoring students for over 18 years!
Paul's journey into the field includes working as course director, climbing technician and staff trainer for Voyageur Outward Bound in Minnesota in the 1980's and 1990's. He has worked with many legendary figures in the field of experiential education, adventure therapy and wilderness therapy. Paul's story is one that you will truly enjoy!
Bill Brown is the Co-founder and Family Services Director of Confluence which is a wilderness therapy program for young adults located in Thetford Center, Vermont. Bill and his brother, Patrick, founded the program in 2016 to be a hybrid wilderness program with a focus only on emerging adults (age 18-28).
Bill shares his story of working as a field staff and field director for almost half a decade at Second Nature Wilderness Program in Utah to being a transition coach for Second Nature 360 for two years to deciding to start his own wilderness therapy program. He shares his unique journey into the field.
Robert Trout is the founder and director of The Experiential Healing Institute which is an organization that provides family support before, during and after treatment when a family member is in a wilderness therapy program. Robert was a student in a wilderness program as a teen and went onto work as a clinician in wilderness therapy programs in different programs.
Robert's journey into the field began after a family tragedy occurred and he was sent to a wilderness therapy program to address the issues. He went to the program thinking it was a summer camp and upon returning home informed his mother, "it saved my life." He went onto work in the field for over a seventeen years.
Robert has worked at over eight different wilderness therapy programs including Aspen Achievement Academy, Pacific Quest, New Visions Wilderness, and Open Sky Wilderness
David Koortis is a former wilderness therapy field guide at several programs including Summit Achievement and Second Nature who went onto start Good To-Go foods which makes the best lightweight dehydrated gourmet meals in the world. David shares the story of his time as a wilderness therapy guide and what he learned from his time working in the field. He recounts how he met the amazing chef, Jennifer Scism, who would soon become his wife and business partner. Jennifer was a chef from New York City who bought a house in Maine when she met David.
Jennifer could hardly stomach the foods that David would bring for them to eat when out on overnight camping adventures so Jennifer remedied that by created amazing dehydrated foods which has evolved to become Go To-Go.
Go To-Go's mission is to "create the most delicious meals, using clean ingredients, to be enjoyed wherever your adventures take you."
Dr. Sandy Newes is a researcher, practitioner and trainer in the wilderness therapy. She has been active in the field for over twenty years and currently provides psychological testing for participants in wilderness therapy programs as well as training services for guide staff via Peak Performance Training which she co-founded.
Sandy shares her journey into the field from her travels around the country to working on her doctorate degree at Penn State in which she had to educate her psychology professors on what wilderness therapy is.
Mark Synnott is an amazing athlete, writer and father of four. His newest book,"The Impossible Climb: Alex Honnold, El Capitan and The Climbing Life" has just been published and is a must read for those interested in adventure and an outdoor life. Mark's book delves deep into the history of climbing, free climbing as well as Honnold's historic free climb of El Capitan (seen in the 2019 Oscar winning documentary "Free Solo"). Mark shares his life journey and how he has changed after becoming a father.
Biography from his book: "Mark Synnott is a twenty-year member of the North Face Global Athlete team. He is a frequent contributor to National Geographic magazine and has written for Outside, Men’s Journal, Rock and Ice, and Climbing. He is also an internationally certified mountain guide and a trainer for the Pararescuemen of the United States Air Force. He lives in the Mt. Washington Valley of New Hampshire'.
To buy the book: Link to the Impossible Climb book
Reid Treadaway, Co-founder and Admissions Director of BlueFire Wilderness Therapy, started working in the wilderness therapy field in 1996 at the Ascent Program, in Idaho, as a field guide. After several years he moved onto being a admissions person and eventually would move to North Carolina in 2001 to become admissions director for SUWS of the Carolina. After a few years in North Carolina he decided to return back to Idaho and in 2014 he would join with others to start BlueFire Wilderness Therapy.
Listen to this interesting story on why Reid went on to starting a wilderness program after working in the field for almost 20 years.
Jesse Quam, educational consultant and clinical social worker, started working in the wilderness therapy field after landing a job at Aspen Achievement Academy as a field instructor in 1996. Jesse shares stories about his upbringing in which his father was a pastor and the family traveled all over the country providing services to those in need which influenced Jesse to start a life of service.
Jesse describes how he worked at Aspen for seven years and eventually became a field director and would meet his future wife, Grace, who also worked as a field instructor. They would both leave Aspen to pursue graduate degrees and in 2005 Jesse would become a clinician for SUWs of the Carolina's and then clinical director. He would leave SUWs in 2015 to become an educational consultant with John Huie and Associates located in Black Mountain, North Carolina.
Jesse talks about how having worked in a wilderness therapy program helps him to be a better educational consultant.
Dr. Mike Gass is a Professor in the Outdoor Education Program in the Department of Kinesiology at University of New Hampshire as well as the Director of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Center.
Mike shares his journey of being recruited to play college football at St. Olaf College, in Minnesota, to becoming one of the foremost researchers and teachers in the field of wilderness/adventure therapy.
He is one of the creators of the Browne Center, a program development center on adventure learning that serves over 8,000 clients a year with educational, therapeutic, and corporate clients.
Mike also serves as the Director of the NATSAP Research Database Network and has published numerous books and research articles about the field of wilderness/adventure therapy.
Misty Blakesley is a Program Manager at The Mountain Center (previously called the Santa Fe Mountain Center) a non-profit community based educational and therapeutic organization that, since 1979, has been dedicated to promoting personal discovery and social change among youth, families and groups through the use of creative learning experiences in wilderness, community and cultural environments.
Misty shares her unique journey into the field and what it is like to work at the Mountain Center.
Will talks with Rick Heizer and Dr. Matt Hoag, Co-Owners and Co-Founders of Evoke Therapy Programs. Rick is the Executive Director at Evoke Therapy Programs while Matt is the Clinical Director of and Therapist at Evoke Entrada. These long time practitioners of wilderness therapy share their journey from working at different wilderness programs to co-founding Evoke Therapy Programs in 2014.
Will interviews Gil Hallows and Derek Daley who co-founded Legacy Outdoor Adventures after working many years in the wilderness therapy field. Gil had been executive director of Aspen Achievement Academy from 1996 until it closed in 2011. He tells his story of the day that he was told Aspen Achievement Academy was going to be closed by the company and how he responded by starting Legacy Outdoor Adventures. Derek shares his story on how he worked at numerous wilderness therapy programs in Utah and Colorado and ended up joining with Gil to start Legacy.
Will interviews Lynette Spencer and Ryan Bromberek from Adventure Works, a non-profit, community based, accredited outdoor behavioral healthcare program located in DeKalb, Illinois. Lynette and Ryan share their journeys into the field and why they feel community based programs are the next growth area for the field.
Will talks with Lynn Smith, Co-Founder and Director of Family Services of Elements Wilderness Program. Lynn shares his journey from growing up in California to joining Aspen Achievement Academy in 1994 to co-founding Elements Wilderness in 2008.
Will talks with Rochelle Bochner and Lani Dorff, Co-founders of Sky's the Limit Fund. Skys the Limit Fund is a non-profit that provides grants and support to young people and their families in attend wilderness therapy programs. Rochelle share what inspired her to take this mission on and how Lani joined in.
Will visits with Greta Lutman, Family Services Director at Greenbrier Academy. Greenbrier Academy is an emotional growth boarding school for girls. Greta has been a clinician and clinical director in many wilderness programs in the Southeast region of the United States. Although not an “outdoor person” Greta tells how she fell in love with wilderness therapy and how it helped her see how change can really happen outside the office.
Will visits with Leah Madamba, Director of Vive Family Services, a family support program that operates throughout the country. Leah elaborates on her long history in wilderness therapy in a variety of positions including clinician, guide and program director.
Will interviews Krissy Pozatek, author of the book “The Parallel Process," about her journey from growing up in New England to working as a field guide at Aspen Achievement Academy in Utah. Krissy recounts going back to school and getting her MSW and returning as a clinician at Second Nature. She would leave that position and return to the New England to write “The Parallel Process” a book that she was inspired to write after years in the field. “The Parallel Process” is used by many wilderness therapy programs to as a curriculum for parents.
Will talks with Nichol Ernst, Executive Director and Co-Owner of Summit Achievement, a hybrid wilderness therapy program in Maine. Nichol shares his unique journey into wilderness therapy including his time as a concert pianist, world class sailor and his challenges when getting an ivy league education. Nichol reveals how he first found out about Summit Achievement and went from being a field guide to clinician to clinical director to executive director and, now, owner.
Will interviews Dr. Anita Tucker, Professor of Social Work at University of New Hampshire (UNH), Associate Director, Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Center at UNH. Co-Coordinator, Dual Masters Program in Social Work and Outdoor Education. Dr. Tucker talks about her long journey into the field of wilderness therapy and how she has become one of the foremost researchers in the field.
Will talks with Shayne Gallagher, Founder and Executive Director of Wingate Wilderness Therapy. Shayne shares how his high school years greatly influenced his direction into wilderness therapy. Shayne has been active in the field for almost 30 years and has worked at various programs before founding Wingate.
Will talks with Nathan Olsen, CEO of BestNotes, an electronic health records company that is used by many wilderness therapy programs. Nathan shares is unique childhood experiences from being raised by Larry Olsen who is considered the founder of the primitive skills model of wilderness therapy. Nathan reveals that he first started working in some of the wilderness programs that his father founded when he was age 11!
Will has a conversation with Tracy Hopkins Founder of Dare to Rise Consulting as well as Director of Business Development of Outback Treatment. Tracy shares her passion for wilderness and her mission to empower others.
In this episode Will interviews Drew Hornbeck who shares his journey into the wilderness therapy field and how he ended up co-founding New Visions Wilderness.
Will interviews Gary Ferguson and Mary Clare, Gary is the author of many books including “Shouting at the Sky: Troubled Teens and the Promise of the Wild” and Mary Clare is founder of Clare Consultation. They were the keynote speakers at the 2018 Wilderness Therapy Symposium. Gary and Mary talk about their lives together and what they see going on in the wilderness therapy field and beyond.
In this interview Will talks with Rob Meltzer, educational consultant and founder of the wilderness therapy symposium. Rob talks about his journey into the field and how the Wilderness Therapy Symposium began.
In this interview Will dialogues with Jenney Wilder who founded the website, https://www.allkindsoftherapy.com/, which is helps parents and young people navigate the difficult task of finding treatment options including wilderness therapy programs. Jenney talks about how she feels the field of wilderness therapy field does not do an adequate job in informing the public of all the benefits of this form of treatment as well as economic benefit to rural areas.
In this episode Will interviews Lee Gillis leading researcher in the field of Wilderness and Adventure Therapy just after he was awarded the 2018 Eagle Award by the Outdoor Behavioral Research Council for his contributions to wilderness therapy. Lee talks about his time in the field and the many changes he has seen in the research area.
In this interview Will White interview Andrew Taylor, Founder of Pure Life Aspiro a wilderness adventure program in Costa Rica. Andrew is also host of the podcast, "In the Trenches."
In this episode Dr. Will White does a brief synopsis of his background and what motivated him to create the podcast, Stories from the Field.
Stories from the field is a podcast dedicated to demystifying wilderness therapy and is hosted by Dr. Will White. In this podcast Will interviews various wilderness therapy researchers, program founders, writers, executive directors, guide staff, clinicians, former students and more. He educates the listener to the long history of the field and different trends related to this evolving treatment option.
Will has worked in the wilderness therapy field for over 30 years and co-founded Summit Achievement (a wilderness therapy program) in the 1990's. He wrote the book, "Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy" and his doctoral dissertation traced the history of the field and is titled “Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy”.