Beyond the Bubble: Navigating Professional Life After College: Recent Episodes
Hillsdale College Career Services
Navigating the professional world as a recent graduate is a daunting task. Beyond the Bubble interviews have helped thousands of young alumni and current college students gain the skills they need to succeed "beyond the bubble" of undergraduate life. Listen now to get insider resume and interview tips, localized career advice, and "day in the life" stories across a variety of professions.
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Karissa Moschel (’20) talks about her time at Hillsdale as a French and History double major, and her current role as a science, English, and math teacher at Hadar Jewish Classical Academy in Austin, Texas.
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Elizabeth Stovicek ('13) joins Beyond the Bubble to share her experience at Hillsdale as a Biology Major, Spanish Minor and her campus involvement, in addition to what her day looks like as she works in Emergency Medicine and Palliative Care.
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Christian Tracy ('99) shares his experience as a student-athlete and as a finance major at Hillsdale College, and how it led to his current job. He discusses the question he always asks when interviewing an applicant: what books are you reading and what are your current hobbies?
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Sam Clausen ('17) joins Beyond the Bubble to share pivotal moments spent volunteering with the GOAL program during his time at Hillsdale and teaching math and coaching baseball at Atlanta Classical Academy.
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Elizabeth Mitchell ('24), a White House Correspondent at The Daily Signal, shares her experience at Hillsdale majoring in Politics and minoring in Journalism. Mitchell discusses the value of internships, and the importance of having an open mind with each one.
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Mark Vandegrift (‘92) discusses the importance of running toward your passion while remaining versatile, a skill he learned through his time at Hillsdale as both an accounting and German major. Mark’s career took him from working in the Big 6 of the accounting world to seminary to holding almost every position at Innis Maggiore, the nation’s leading positioning ad agency, before being named its CEO in 2023. Mark is also the father of a ‘21 alumnus.
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Caroline Koperski (‘15) shares how she prepared herself for PA school while studying Economics and Spanish, balancing her love for the humanities with her desire to practice medicine. While at Hillsdale, Caroline volunteered at the local hospital, was on Mock Trial, a member of Kappa Kappa Gamma, and so much more. Since finishing her master's, Caroline has journeyed back to Hillsdale with her family, practicing medicine via Telehealth.
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Daniel Higbie (‘98) discusses how business owners and entrepreneurs can work to impact and grow the cultures they live in, focusing on good work over profit. At Hillsdale College, Daniel pursued a degree in Rhetoric and Persuasive Communication before getting his master’s in international relations. Since finishing school, he has been running The St. James Tearoom in Albuquerque, New Mexico —a business he co-founded with his mother to bring the tradition of British high tea to their community.
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Christa Green (’20) discusses how her passion for psychological counseling and her faith led her to pursue a career in Christian counseling. At Hillsdale College, Christa pursued a psychology degree and worked as a resident assistant, where she was first drawn to counseling as a career option. After getting her master's in social work and seeing how current agendas affected the children she worked with at a crisis center, Christa switched to adult group counseling. She currently works in Portland as a Christian counselor, working towards her license.
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Nate Stewart ('95) shares his journey to Hillsdale, the value of waiting before law school, and the importance of prioritizing family and creative passions. Tune in for insights on balancing career, life, and what truly matters!
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Listen to Episode 60 of Beyond the Bubble, where Caroline Greb shares her inspiring journey. Discover how she’s carved out a successful career in art while juggling the responsibilities of being a full-time wife and mother, emphasizing the significance of taking action and maintaining consistency in pursuing artistic passions.
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Susan PetersonPrinciple Gifts Officer at Mayo Clinic
Making Philanthropy Possible
Susan Peterson is the Principle Gifts Officer at Mayo Clinic. She meets with benefactors and institutional leaders to match Mayo Clinic’s programs with philanthropic efforts. Peterson shares her experience working at Harvard as a journalism fellow, making a positive impact through her career, and her favorite Hillsdale memories. This is an episode you won’t want to miss!
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Adriana Maljanian ('21)Associate Trust Manager at Private Trust Management Group
The Power of Time Management
Adriana Maljanian (‘21) is an Associate Trust Manager at Private Trust Management Group. She discussed the importance of time management and attention to detail in her role, as well as her favorite classes at Hillsdale.
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Ben Murrey ('12)Director of Policy at the Common Sense Institute
Making an Impact in the World of Politics
Ben Murrey (‘12) is the Director of Policy at the Common Sense Institute, a role he recently started. At Hillsdale, Murrey majored in Politics and promised never to work in politics, but after graduation took a job working on Ted Cruz’s Senate campaign. He shares his experience starting as a campaign volunteer and continuing in his career working at multiple levels and realms of state and national politics. His previous roles included a Legislative Correspondent and Aid for Senator Cruz and Fiscal Policy Center Director for the Independence Institute.
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Adam Stockford ('15)Mayor of Hillsdale, Michigan
Applying Lessons from the Politics Classroom in Public Office
Adam Stockford (‘15) is the current Mayor of Hillsdale. Stockford majored in Politics and reflects fondly on his relationship with the Hillsdale College Politics department. Mayor Stockford shares his understanding of the duty to serve your community, the most important realms of local politics, his responsibilities as Mayor of Hillsdale, and his current campaign for State Representative.
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Trent Kramer ('13)Headmaster at Ascent Classical Academies
The Havoc-Filled Life of a Headmaster
Trent Kramer (‘13) is the Headmaster at Ascent Classical Academy. He discusses the diversity of work as a Headmaster, which includes strategic planning, teaching, relationship building, and sometimes cleaning up bloody noses! Mr. Kramer shares the beauty of preparing kids for life rather than just college and vocation, building strong character rather than perfecting standardized exams, and teaching kids to pursue goodness and virtue for the sake of itself.
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Brittany Baldwin ('12)Founder and Owner, Illuminate Consulting, LLC
How to Become a Presidential Speechwriter
Brittany Baldwin (‘12) is the former speech writer to President Donald Trump and Senator Ted Cruz. Ms. Baldwin speaks to her experience making a career out of writing, working her way from the front desk of Senator Cruz’s office to a role as the sole speech writer on his campaign, and her role in the White House. She advises students to proactively search for jobs, prioritize faith, and maintain friendships during busy seasons of life. Currently, Ms. Baldwin is the President of Illuminate Consulting, which she founded after her role at the White House concluded.
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Lauren Carl ('14)Vice President of Digital Operations & Integration at Pinkston
Adapting in the Ever-Changing World of Public Relations
Lauren Carl (‘14) is Vice President at Pinkston, a strategic communications firm. Her role at Pinkston focuses on operations and working with clients on the design and creation of PR materials such as digital marketing and web design. After graduating with an economics major, Lauren began her career as an economic research assistant, transitioning over time to her current VP role at Pinkston. Lauren shares her experience adapting to a constantly changing industry, being a proactive employee, and gives excellent advice to anyone interested in a career in communications.
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Frank Maisano (‘89)Government Relations Senior Principal At Bracewell Law Firm
How To Make an Impact In Government Relations
Frank Maisano (‘89) began his career on the Hill and has spent the past 20 years as a non-attorney working in the Government Relations section of Bracewell Law Firm. The Government Relations section is a specialized practice that takes on clients facing regulatory and legislative challenges, which often play out in the press. Mr. Maisano shares his experience working in a fast-paced work environment, building credibility within an industry, and advocates that students interested in politics go on WHIP!
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Stephen Ford (‘10)Owner of West Exec Writing
Writing Speeches for the Vice President
Would you rather serve pizza or write speeches for Mike Pence? Mr. Stephen Ford (‘10) joins Beyond the Bubble to share his experiences navigating life post-grad in Washington D.C. with a Politics degree, where he built a full-time writing career and served as Head Speech Writer to former Vice President Mike Pence during the Trump administration. He shares stories about finding humor in ordinary life in the White House, as well as from the extraordinary experiences he had traveling internationally with former Vice President Pence. Mr. Ford discusses prioritizing family and friendships to stay sane, his caffeine addiction, and the writing business he has built since leaving the White House.
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Carley Ross (‘14)National Account Manager at Ferrero
A Career in the CPG Industry
On this week’s episode of Beyond the Bubble, Carley Ross (‘14) shares about her experiences working in the CPG industry. As a national account manager at Ferrero, she manages value customer accounts like Aldi and Big Lots. Her responsibilities include planning, executing, and managing the customer plan. On a daily basis she manages supply forecasts, uses data and insights to validate new item performance, and builds relationships. Listen now to hear her advice about working in the industry!
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David Stanton (‘98)
Headmaster at Oakdale Classical School
From the U.S. Navy to Education
David Stanton (‘98) shares his experience as the Headmaster at Oakdale Academy and from a career of teaching History and Religion. His career in education is intertwined with a career in the U.S. Navy Reserve, where Stanton developed leadership skills and experience. Stanton imparts advice for students interested in teaching or administration and encourages students to embrace the liberal arts in order to develop a passion for those things that are true, good, and beautiful.
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Kevin Roberts (‘05)
Director of Industry Insights and Analytics at CarGurus
Insights into a Career in Business Intelligence
As the Director of Industry Insights and Analytics at CarGurus, Kevin Roberts (‘05) analyzes economic and macro trends in the automotive industry to create impactful insights for his company. He shares the importance of developing critical thinking skills and learning how to share dense information in an understandable way. He explains the core skills students pursuing a similar career should develop, and he emphasizes the value of learning a coding language like R in addition to building proficiency in data visualization software like Power BI. Listen now to learn more!
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Candace Corrales (‘16)Lead Program Manager, Apex Legends Esports at Electronic Arts (EA)
In this episode of Beyond the Bubble, Candace Corrales (‘16) shares how her passion for video games scored her a career in the gaming industry. She talks about her early experiences in the industry and explains how she utilized diligent networking to land a job at Electronic Arts working on a program management team at Apex Legends Esports. Listen now to hear her advice!
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Caleb Bowers (‘15)Mission Software Engineer at Andruil Industries
Applying Math to Defense Technology
As a software engineer at Andruil Industries, Caleb Bowers (‘15) works on coding backend software and creating customized solutions for clients. Join Beyond the Bubble this week as he describes how he went from a computational and applied mathematics degree at Hillsdale to working in defense technology. He explains the importance of research, Hillsdale’s core curriculum, and his transition from an undergraduate degree to a master’s program. He also talks about his previous experiences working with the Navy.
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Garrett West (‘15)
Associate Attorney at Paul Weiss Law Firm
The Philosophy of a Career in Law
On this week’s episode of Beyond the Bubble, Garrett West (‘15) shares about his experiences working for Paul Weiss within their appellate group. On a daily basis, he works on drafting briefs, conducting research, and helping prepare for argument. He talks about his transition from Hillsdale to law school and how Hillsdale’s rigor helped prepare him for work as a lawyer.
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As a Classical Education Instructional Coach, Trinity Wright’s (‘17) primary job is to observe teachers and help them improve their ability to teach classical curriculums. She also uses her knowledge of classical education to upgrade curriculum and teach additional classes. Listen now to hear Trinity explain the importance of gaining exposure to teaching as an undergraduate and the value of minoring in Classical Education if pursuing a career in teaching.
As an Account Coordinator at Altus Marketing, Gracyn Hawkins (‘22) serves an integral role in managing events, fundraising, and communications for nonprofits helping youths facing homelessness. Listen now to hear how Gracyn combined her prior experience as a Court Appointed Special Advocate with her skills in marketing to continue driving positive, impactful change on a daily basis.
On this week’s episode of Beyond the Bubble, Hank Prim (‘17) shares how he blended his interest in teaching with his passion for law enforcement as a Supervisory Special Agent & Training Administrator. In his daily work, he functions like a teacher as well as a police officer through his responsibility for the education and training of South Dakota law enforcement officers. Hank also talks through the process of becoming further involved in law enforcement and the requirements for becoming a special agent.
As a Certified Financial Planner, Jimmie Plaskey (‘12) loves the variety that he gets in his daily work. Join Beyond the Bubble this week as Jimmie talks about the ways to break into financial planning, the importance of soft skills like personability, and the excitement of helping other people achieve their financial goals. He also shares tips on how to stand out as an applicant in finance.
Beyond the Bubble is back for the semester! On this week’s episode, join State Representative Andrew Fink (‘06) as he describes his journey from Hillsdale College to the Michigan Legislature. He walks through a day in the life of a legislator, shares how his experiences as a Judge Advocate for the Marine Corps helped shape his passion for politics, and offers insightful advice for students looking to pursue a legal or political career.
On this week’s episode of Beyond the Bubble, listen to Ryan Goff (‘21) share about the variety of work he does as an M&A Analyst at a middle market investment bank. He also explains the value he found from participating in extracurriculars like The Collegian, Investment Club, and the ACG Cup as well as how useful strong writing skills are in the workforce.
Ben Thompson (‘09) spends his day hunting down the best barrels of oil and negotiating the price as a Crude Oil Trader at Shell Trading. He explains how companies make money through trading and talks about the basics of the industry, entry options, and how he utilized his finance degree in a highly technical field.
As a Director at Spell Capital Mezzanine, Stephen Hann (‘08) works to manage investment portfolios, source and underwrite deals, and build relationships across a wide range of industries. He talks about the importance of developing soft skills in the communication and articulation of complex concepts as well as the necessity of practicing math, excel, and modeling skills for success in an exciting career where each day is a little different from the last.
Scott Keenan (‘07) innovates on a daily basis as the head of growth strategy for a startup merging real estate with hospitality. Scott shares how his different interests and love for problem solving led him from a chemistry major at Hillsdale to environmental consulting and finally to driving growth for a company restructuring the traditional approach to hospitality.
Ally Eads (‘19) took her passion for running and turned it into a career at New Balance. Ally describes how she utilizes the communication skills she learned as a team captain for Hillsdale’s Track and Field team and shares how speaking with alumni helped her pursue her interests as a career.
As a legal counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom, Christy Hirsch (‘16) serves on the Church & Ministry Alliance team advising clients on religious freedoms and preparing clients to defend religious liberty lawsuits. She shares how she utilizes the skills and values she learned at Hillsdale in her work on a daily basis.
As a Criminal Investigator for the U.S. Department of Commerce, Caitlin Watson (‘07) uses the skills she learned at Hillsdale College on a daily basis to prevent export violations. She speaks about what a job in national security looks like, shares tips for pursuing a similar career, and explains how Hillsdale’s classes helped her develop the critical thinking capabilities she needs for her job.
Lauren Peacock (‘14) shares her experiences working as an Art Director for AHC Hospitality. She explains the importance of finding objective opinions for reviewing creative work as well as learning how to communicate with clients and work as part of a design team.
Through her job working with the Hillsdale Football team, Lix Laux (‘19) turned her enthusiasm for football into a career. She shares about the importance of internships and networking to build genuine relationships as she explains her biggest takeaways from working in professional sports.
Scott McCallen (‘18) shares how his experiences at the Collegian helped him move from financial analysis at Pepsi to reporting breaking news on Michigan and Minnesota fiscal policy. He explains the importance of writing consistently and pursuing real-world feedback for aspiring journalists.
Alexandra Whitford (‘17) explains how her passion for media marketing and nonprofits led her from directing Hillsdale student activities to managing TV “spots” for Direct Donor TV. Listen to hear why she thinks identifying passions and developing relational skills early on is critical to success in marketing. She also shares tips and tricks for aspiring social media marketers.
Bob Boyle (‘03) talks about his unique professional experiences that led him across the country, and across careers. Listen as he shares how he went from working as a baseball Umpire to a VP of Logistics. He discusses the impact of flexibility, a work-life balance, and how his History degree helped him develop the critical thinking skills he needed to thrive in the corporate world.
Greg Rybka ('17) shares about how he has gone from studying marketing at Hillsdale to working in sales with prosthetics and how his personal experiences led him to this job.
PeggyDee Fleck shares her experiences figuring out the right profession. The 2012 biology graduate works in the administrative side of medicine; however, that wasn't always the plan. She talks about her career path from Hillsdale to administrative work, food service management, and now project management in the medical field.
Lucas Miller ('01) shares about his path to determining whether ministry was his calling and his subsequent work through seminary and as a pastor.
This week, Leah Savas talks about working as a reporter for WORLD News Group. She began her post-graduation career in marketing and then shifted to journalism. She shares about that process and what her day-to-day work looks like.
Interested in what life is like as a chiropractor and how to get there? Dr. Brian Vear '15 shares about how his experiences as a football player led him to go to chiropractic school and practice.
When moving to DC, many young people dream of working with an elected official to assist them in serving constituents. Katelyn Pay ('11) was no different when she came to DC after graduating from Hillsdale. She currently serves as the Deputy Chief of Staff for Rep. Cliff Bentz (R-OR) and shares about life on Capitol Hill, her career from DC to Oregon and back, and how her time at Hillsdale prepared her for her career.
Work isn’t always a clear trajectory. Joshua Cameon (‘17) found this out as he has worked in positions neither he, nor his company, envisioned him in at first. He shares how he has been able to find ways to create value for his company beyond the expected and how his studies in the liberal arts at Hillsdale prepared him for his various positions at Automated Logistics Systems.
Physics is much more than measuring the acceleration of a dropped ball. Jamin Rager (‘13) works as a Senior Research Physicist working on quantum computing as a military contractor. After studying Physics and Math at Hillsdale, he has gone on to graduate school and shares about how he has had a successful career.
Matthew Kidd (‘13) shares his story and advice on becoming an accountant and taking the CPA exam. Hear how communication skills may be even more important than math when going into the world of accounting.
Hillsdale requires all Bachelor of Arts students to reach at least the intermediate-level proficiency in a foreign language. Josh Shaw (‘17) has gone much deeper and studied Greek and Latin beyond Hillsdale, receiving his Masters degree from Bryn Mayr. In this episode, he shares about his current PhD studies at the University of Tübingen in Germany and his experience writing and publishing articles and commentaries.
Katherine Helmick (‘15) shares about her studies at the University of Oxford in literature. Hear how her experiences teaching abroad in South Africa with the Peace Corps and starting her own magazine, Salt and Iron, helped lead her to this path.
Kate Wiley (‘09) shares her experiences working in chemical manufacturing from engineering to quality control. As a physics major now working in chemistry, she shares how lifelong learning is key and gives advice to people interested in working in STEM fields.
Pete Smith is an 08 grad of Hillsdale College. In this episode, he shares his career path from Whirlpool to TTI Floor Care, Maryland to Texas to Georgia, and getting his MBA at Lamar University while working.
William Clayton (‘10) was a history major at Hillsdale but wanted to go into business and the tech world. He shares how he did it, and what it looks like to apply the liberal arts and the skill of lifelong learning in the business world.
Robert Hasler is a 2015 grad of Hillsdale. He worked in the Kirby Center for a while and now has turned to ministry. He is working on his MDiv at Covenant Theological Seminary and working as the Communications Director for Ministry to State, a mission-based organization reaching political professionals in DC.
It’s great to study what you love. For Amira Swenson (‘11), that was accounting. Listen to her share her journey from Hillsdale to Dallas and DC and explain how her time at Hillsdale prepared her for life beyond the bubble.
Early internship experience just might be the key to your future job. Listen this week to Taylor Gage (‘10) recounts his story about going from an internship at a state political party after his sophomore year at Hillsdale to working full-time for the Nebraska Governor’s Office. Gage also shares about what communications looks like in the age of COVID-19 and the importance of diversifying platforms and having consistency in messaging.
Most people are familiar with the trend of graduates taking off a year after college - a gap year. Our guest this week, Brian Painter, waited a little longer. See why Brian waited 8 years to take his gap year this week, on Beyond the Bubble.
Forecasting the future is a difficult task. Our guest this week is Russell TerBeek, a nuclear physicist at Sandia Labs. Russell makes his living forecasting the likelihood of some of the most catastrophic events known to man. Tune in this week to learn more.
There’s a difference between theoretical knowledge and practical application. This week, Portia Conant (‘14) shares her story of the importance of both theory, through trying to take things one step at a time and adjust expectations, and practice, by applying those principles to get through graduate school. She also shares how she is able to apply the principles of economics she loves studying in her work as a market analyst.
A fresh start in a new city is an intimidating and yet also thrilling feeling for many young post-grads. Joel VanDerworp, this week's guest, explains why if it weren't for the teaching community he stumbled on, he would have had a harder time adjusting.
Good medical treatment balances accepted methodology with a subtle kind of emotional intelligence. Our guest this week, Dr. Noah Bernhardson, discusses how he uses universal principles from his college history classes to deliver exceptional patient care.
The title "Dean of Students" tends to carry with it a stereotype of a removed and often aloof disciplinary authority. Not Josh Herring. This week's guest serves as Dean of Students at Thales Academy in NC where administrators also serve as teachers. Tune in to learn how he does it and why.
A common misconception about graduate school is that you must have majored in the discipline the school focuses on. Our guest this week, Caroline Koperski, discusses why this is often not the case, especially for PA school, Tune in this week to learn more
Most people would not associate "creative" with "tax lawyer," or taxes at all for the most part. Our guest this week, Alexander Graf, has a different take. Tune in this week to see why Alexander thinks the industry needs more creative lawyers.
A proper college education should teach us not to back down from a challenge. This week's guest, Jake Adkins, shows just how far that attitude can take you. Tune in this week to learn how Jack got started at Zillow and where he plans to go from there.
Eisenhower once remarked "plans are worthless, but planning is everything." Our guest this week, Eveline Gnabisik Bethune, has lived her life according to that quote. Listen now to learn how you can harness your passions and move worlds.
To most people the world of data management and analytics can seem forbidding, confusing, and even intimidating. Not to George Mount, though. George founded Stringfest Analytics in 2014 to teach people that the world of data is more accessible than they think. If you’ve ever wondered what it was like to work in the world of data, or wanted a case study of a soloprenuer, then this episode is for you.
Conventional wisdom about careers says "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life." Katherine Brunk, an analyst at the civil engineering firm Kimley-Horn, takes that to another level. Listen to this week's episode to learn how she took her liberal arts degree and made the ultimate pivot from marketing to civil engineering.
Deciding whether or not to attend graduate school is a complicated process. Michael Giles, a Political Science Ph.D. candidate at Michigan State, reveals 3 factors you should consider before applying to a graduate program. If you’re considering grad school, have an interest in political science, or just want to learn more about the grad school world, this episode is for you.
Storytelling is a powerful tool that anyone can use to inspire, persuade, and mobilize. Maggy Smith is a senior associate at the Heritage Foundation, a D.C. based conservative nonprofit, with an inspiring story of her own. Maggy’s career began as a freelance graphic designer but it wasn’t long before she established herself as a leader in business development at the Heritage Foundation. Want to know how she used storytelling to do it? Tune in to this episode to find out.
Navigating the professional world while staying true to your passions is a real challenge. John Duffy, a financial technologies analyst at Grant Street Group, shares his insights on how recent graduates can unlock their productivity and leverage business communication and professional networking skills to excel in their careers. If you want to hear some great career advice this podcast is for you.
So you're interested in journalism.. How do you jumpstart your career? If you're in Journalism already, what are your options for upward mobility? Joining us this week is the Assistant Editor for the Washington Free Beacon, Micah Meadowcroft. He'll be answering those questions and more on this week's episode of Beyond the Bubble.
So you want to go into politics. Where should you start? What should you consider? Our guest this week, Raz Schafer, answers these questions and more. Raz currently works for Heritage Foundation along with running his own political consulting group, CampaignSidekick.
How far can a liberal arts degree take you? This week we ask John Farrar, Head of Industry at Google, to share his career path and discuss the value that a liberal arts degree adds to your professional reputation.
Company size tends to influence company culture. Smaller companies like startups tend to favor an entrepreneurial culture while larger ones tend to move a little slower. Joining us on this episode of Beyond the Bubble is a woman who has seen both sides, having worked for General Mills and a startup, Ibotta. Tune in to get her takes on what it's like working at each.
How should you communicate your hard and soft skills? What's more important, your interview or your resume? Is it OK to ask for constructive feedback after an interview? Join us this week on Beyond the Bubble with our guest Haley Landry, a recruiter for Aerotek Industries, to get answers to these questions and more.
Tom Thistleton has accomplished much in his career as a consultant. After being made partner at Deloitte, he went on to work for several middle-market businesses until he settled in his current role as Chief Operating Officer at a logistics firm called Apex. Tune in to this week's episode of Beyond the Bubble to hear his tips for success in business.