Big Fat Negative: TTC, fertility, infertility and IVF: Recent Episodes

Big Fat Negative

Big Fat Negative is the podcast about IVF, infertility and the trials of TTC - aka trying for a baby. Co-hosted by journalists and friends Emma Forsyth Haslett and Gabriella Griffith, the show follows their stories on the not-so-simple journey to motherhood, while also interviewing a range of experts on all things infertility.


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It's Gabby's last spin of the wheel, as she uses her final embryo. How did it go? Find out here.

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode reveals the result of a round of IVF. If you are not ready to hear that, please look after your heart and listen some other time.

Contains swears.


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A bonus episode: Gabby prepares for the transfer of her final embryo.

Swears throughout.


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TRIGGER WARNING: THIS EPISODE INCLUDES DISCUSSION ABOUT A PREGNANCY TEST RESULT AFTER AN IVF ROUND. PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN IF THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT TIME FOR YOU

It's the end of the TWW, which means... pregnancy test time. But it isn't straightforward for Gabby. The girls discuss the result of the (eventual) test, how it feels when she already has one child and what it means for her future.

Swears throughout.

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It's just after transfer day and Gabby, stuck in the two-week wait (TWW) isn't doing well. The girls discuss symptom spotting, when to test and how to get through the TWW without losing your mind.

Swears throughout.

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BFN is back for a special mini-series, as we follow Gabby on her second jourrrrney! In the second episode she prepares for her transfer, enjoys a moment of notoriety and worries about her scan - for an uncharacteristically gross reason.

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Swears, as always, throughout.

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BFN is back for a special mini-series, as we follow Gabby on her second jourrrrney! In this episode we're talking about her decision to go again, the process so far and why she's worried about her timing.

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Swears, as always, throughout.

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It's the last episode of the series, so we've got a special guest for you: Izzy Judd, one of the first celebrities to speak out about her infertility. We talk about what it was like to go through IVF in the public eye, and how she discovered what had stopped her periods. Meanwhile, Prof Tim is talking about endometriosis - can it prevent implantation?

Swears - including one big one - throughout.

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'Embabies', 'frosties' - we give our embryos many names, but there may come a time when we reach the end of the TTC road and have blastocysts left over. Today we speak to fellow fertility podcaster Natalie Silverman about how she came to the decision to say goodbye to hers, while embryologist Millie Kanani explains how the process works.

Meanwhile, Prof T addresses bleeding during the TWW - is it always a bad sign?

If you want to skip Emma's bit, stop listening after Prof T - around 53 minutes.

Swears throughout.

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This week we're joined by Natalie Sutherland, the world's first fertility officer, and Somaya Ouazzani. With a shared background in corporate law, the two have started In/Fertility in the City, a space to share stories about going through fertility struggles while working in high-powered roles.

Meanwhile, Professor Tim addresses Covid and its effect on embryo quality. If you don't want to hear Emma's part of the podcast, switch off after Professor Tim - at about 47:30.

Swears throughout.

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TRIGGER WARNING: CONTAINS THE RESULT OF A PREGNANCY TEST. PLEASE TURN OFF AFTER 44:19 IF YOU CAN'T LISTEN - and please look after your heart first.

Model, presenter, singer and generally impressive woman Erin Holland joins us to talk about her slightly unusual fertility journeeey, and the circumstances in which she finds herself having to hoard embryos. Meanwhile, Emma announces the results of her TWW, and Professor Tim explains what can be done if your body doesn't respond to stims.

Swears throughout.

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The people we're talking to today need no introduction: The Worst Girl Gang ever is one of the UK's biggest podcasts on pregnancy loss and miscarriage - so big they've just published their first book. We speak to Bex and Laura about losing their babies, the 'uglies', and why they started their gang.

Meanwhile, Professor Tim explains whether you can ever have too much progesterone.

Swears throughout.

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Author Claire Lynch joins us to talk about her book Small: On Motherhoods, same-sex TTC, and what it's like to have premature twins.

Meanwhile, Emma has Some News and Professor Tim addresses our second-silliest question so far.

Swears throughout.

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What is wrong with Emma's mic today? We don't know, but we're sorry. Normal service will resume next week.

We're joined by Shaun Greenaway, aka Knackered Knackers, who talks about what it's like to find out you have azoospermia and how he came to the decision to use a sperm donor.

Meanwhile, Professor Tim explains why you can't breastfeed and go through IVF treatment at the same time.

Swears throughtout.

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IN PARTNERSHIP WITH GAIA: We're here on a Monday for a special episode to discuss funding IVF and fertility treatment. We've got an amazing panel including Wegan, Alex Holder and Nader Alsalim, the chief executive of Gaia, to talk about the ups and downs (mainly downs) of financing your fertility treatment.

To find out more about Gaia, visit https://gaiafamily.com/.

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Amy Davies moved thousands of viewers to tears (and dozens of you to message us) when she shared her experiences of infertility on the show Interior Design Masters. Today she joins us to talk about the multiple miscarriages she has suffered, and how she used her time on the show to pull herself out of the IVF trench.

Elsewhere, we are speaking to Wegan about their triumph after the Women's Health Strategy, announced last week, included free IUIs for same-sex couples, and Professor Tim addresses hair dye during IVF.

Swears throughout.

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Emma Barnett is the host of Woman's Hour and Newsnight - and she's also struggling to conceive her second child. In May this year she wrote a tell-all piece for the Times, in which she described her six (now seven) rounds of IVF and the miscarriage she suffered. Here, she tells Emma and Gabby what she's been through, how she holds down her career with debilitating endometriosis, and why she keeps going. Also - a drinking game!

Meanwhile, Prof T stages his glorious return, and Emma has Some News.

Swears throughout.

To read Emma Barnett's Times piece, click here (or go to https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/emma-barnett-five-rounds-of-ivf-one-miscarriage-and-no-baby-257tkztct). You can sign up for her newsletter, Trying, at emmabarnett.substack.com.

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Gabby and Emma speak to Sophie Sulehria and Laura Biggs from the Fertility Show ahead of their appearance at the show next month, and in IVF WTF, Gabby asks Dr Wael Saab, fertility consultant and Deputy Clinical Director at the CRGH, about some of the basics of IVF.

If you want tickets to the show, use the code BFN20 to get 20% off at checkout, valid until midnight on 7 May. Book tickets at fertilityshow.co.uk.

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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains people describing the result of fertility treatment. if you can't listen right now, switch off when we tell you (after 18:14).

Emma and Gabby catch up with Sophie, their guest from last season, to find out what happened after her egg collection - and where she's at now.

Swears throughout.

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This week, Gabby talks to TikTok star and embryologist Alease Daniel about how embryos are made, what embryologists are looking for - and whether embryo grades really make a difference.

Emma and Gabby also discuss This Is Going to Hurt, the new BBC series.

Swears throughout.

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Gabby and Emma speak to Toby Trice, a racing driver with a mission to spread the word about male infertility, and why men need to be checked out too. He talks about his jourrrney and why he is committed to helping men talk about their experiences.

Swears throughout.

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What happens to your body after miscarriage? Emma speaks to Lyanne Nicholl, the author of Your Postnatal Body, who explains why focusing on the physicality of loss and grief is important - and why doctors' suggestion that 'it's just like a heavy period' is often wrong.

Swears (and rampant Britishisms) throughout.

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Gabby and Emma are talking to Jynna Yarrum, a CBT therapist and trainer who fought her CCG to get NHS-funded IVF - and won.

Outside of that interview, please be aware that some very hungover book promoting is taking place. It isn't pretty.

Swears (and groans) throughout.

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Writer, presenter and brand consultant Pippa Vosper joins us to talk about the loss of her baby boy and the infertility journey that followed, and why she has chosen to write a book about it.

Meanwhile, Gabby and Emma are being very boring about their book. Sorry about that - but don't let that put you off ordering it. It's available on Amazon and at all good book shops.

Swears throughout.


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Termination for medical reasons: it's such a difficult subject, Emma hasn't been able to bring herself to talk about it. Until now. We're joined by Hayley Manning, the co-host of Time to Talk TFMR, a podcast where women share their experiences of making an impossible choice. You can find Hayley's podcast on all good platforms.

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Swears throughout this episode.

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The girls are joined this week by Lizzie, who discovered two years ago that she was conceived through a sperm donor. She talks about how that felt, how she's come to terms with it and what it means to go from only child to one of 11 half-siblings (and counting).

Swears throughout.

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Professor Joyce Harper has spent 30 years on both sides of the IVF counter: as an embryologist, professor of women's health and one of Europe's leading voices on fertility treatment, and also as an IVF patient. She joins us to explain how to do your own research: how to read scientific papers, how to spot a dodgy study and how to get clued-up on your own treatment.

Swears throughout.

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The girls are back with a new series - kicking off with entrepreneur, TV star and hip hop royalty Raquel 'Rocky' Horn, who talks us through her infertility 'jourrrrney' and why she has chosen to share it with the world, and explains what it's like when you're a stepmother who desperately wants her own baby.

Swears throughout.

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We're back for a Fertility Week special, with an update from the Foxes: did they manage an embryo transfer? What was their TWW like? What was their result?

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode includes an audio diary of a two-week wait, including the results of a pregnancy test. As always, please look after your heart.

Swears throughout.

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Katy from Chasing Creation (chasingcreation.org) joins Gabby and Emma to talk about her decision to have a hysterectomy, its repercussions and how she is creating her unexpectedly childfree life. Meanwhile, Liz gives advice to someone struggling with the uncertainty of infertility.

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See you in January!

Swears throughout.

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This week we're discussing the state between TTC and childlessness - at what point do you cross over? Gabby and Emma are joined by Annabel from Maybehood (https://maybehood.com/) to discuss it. Meanwhile, Sophie has had her egg collection.

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Swears throughout.

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Kreena Dhiman's story has more twists and turns than Emma's wonky fallopian tubes: having survived cancer and heart failure, she embarked on a surrogacy journey, and - well, we won't give away the ending. She joins us to tell us her jourrrrney, and what happens when everything goes more right than could possibly imagine.

Meanwhile, agony aunt Liz gives advice to someone who needs advice on how to keep going.

Kreena's podcast is called The Intended Parent and it's available wherever you get your podcasts.

Swears throughout.

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How do you navigate infertility if you have to work with babies, children or - horror! - pregnant women every day? Sophie Martin lost her twins, Cecil and Wilfred, at 21 weeks, and went through gruelling rounds of IVF to get pregnant again. During all of it, she was working as a midwife, helping women to bring their babies into the world. She talks about her journey, and how she coped in her day job. Meanwhile, Sophie is on day nine of her stims.

Swears throughout.

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Gabby and Emma are joined by Dr Belinda Coker, the founder of Your Trusted Squad, to talk about how it feels to be a doctor whose pain is ignored by other doctors, and why she started Your Trusted Squad, her fertility concierge service. Meanwhile, Liz is tackling the thorniest question there is: what's the point?

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Swears throughout.

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By popular demand, Emma and Gabby give you an update on where their heads are at on second babies. TRIGGER WARNING: If this is a point in your jourrrrney where listening to this might be hard, please look after your heart and skip this episode! You have been been warned!

Meanwhile, Sophie has received her drugs and is getting ready for her first jab.

Swears throughout.

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Emma and Gabby are joined by Rachel Westbury, the founder of the Nappy Endings surrogacy agency and a three-time surrogate (of four babies).

Meanwhile, Liz is addressing the question of whether or not to do IVF.

If you want to listen to Sophie Sulehria's podcast, check it out here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06nxjd.

Swears throughout.

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This week we are joined by Marissa Nelson, a marriage and family therapist, and (crucially) also a sex therapist, who joins us to talk sex while TTC: can it ever actually be sexy?

Meanwhile, we are squee-ing with Sophie about her upcoming IVF round. For those who are interested in the history of Gonal-F and how the Vatican was involved in its development, here's that article: https://qz.com/710516/the-strange-story-of-a-fertility-drug-made-with-the-popes-blessing-and-gallons-of-nun-urine/.

Swears from the start, and throughout.

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Emma and Gabby are joined this week by blogger and author Elle Wright, whose new book, A Bump in the Road, chronicles the infertility journey she endured after the loss of newborn son, Teddy. You can buy it here.

Meanwhile, BFN agony aunt Liz is talking PTSD.

No Prof Tim this week - he'll be back in a few weeks.

Swears throughout.

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Do you have questions about doing IVF abroad? Emma Haslam from Your IVF Abroad (yourivfabroad.co.uk) is here to answer them all - from what to do about language barriers to how to find a decent clinic.

Meanwhile, Sophie has some exciting (but 100% non-triggering) news, and Professor Tim is tackling blood groups - do they affect fertility?

Here is a link to a video of a watermelon with a lot of elastic bands around it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azA_zYYYy7I

Swears throughout.

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They've been going on about her for long enough - today, Emma and Gabby have finally dragged their acupuncturist, Lui Yeung, onto the podcast. She explains the principles of acupuncture and why it's helpful for fertility (also: which one of the girls is better at it. It's a bit tense). Meanwhile, Liz and special guest Nick are talking about performance anxiety and Prof Tim is talking linings again - can they ever be too thick?

You can find out more about Lui at https://www.luiacupuncture.com/ or on her Instagram account at @luiyeungacupuncture.

Swears throughout.

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... clue: you won't get frostbite from the difficult one. Emma and Gabby are joined by polar explorer Jenny Wordsworth, who tells them about the parallels between extreme endurance expeditions and infertility (because there sure as hell aren't many differences), while Sophie is talking furry friends and Professor Tim is tackling thin linings: what can you do about them?


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This week the girls are talking to Notafictionalmum, aka NFM, about adoption. Tears are shed by everyone except Emma, who is surprisingly heartless, it turns out. Meanwhile, Agony Aunt Liz tackles how to tell explain 'no news', while Prof T is talking transfer cycles - how close together can they be?

Swears throughout.

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We're talking 'coming out' this week: how to tell people what you're going through. Plus, we're talking to The PCOS Dr, aka Dr Amina Hersi, and Professor Tim tackles retrograde ejaculation.

Find Dr Amina's Instagram profile here.

Swears throughout.

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It's Liz's first turn as BFN's agony aunt - this week she's addressing an embryo dilemma: to fork out or not to fork out? Meanwhile, we're speaking Ruth Corden (you can find her podcast here or by searching 'Finding the Funny' on your podcast app) about childlessness not by choice, and Prof Tim is talking thyroids.

Many, many swears.

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Sophie is back this week to talk about the highs and lows (mainly lows, let's be honest) of taking a break from TTC. Meanwhile, we meet Wegan, the 'wafty, floaty, delicious' (Gabby's words) influencer couple who launched a campaign last year to get same-sex couples the same infertility rights as heterosexual couples. We also ask Professor Tim about embryo transfers: is having two transferred really so bad?

You can find out more about Wegan's campaign at change.org/fertilityequality - and pre-order our book and find out everything else about us at bigfatnegative.com.

Swears throughout.

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This week we're catching up with the Foxes to find out what has transpired since we last heard from Liz at Christmas (spoiler: everyone's still frustrated AF). We also meet Tia and Lee Brown, a couple who are undergoing egg donation in Greece.

No Prof T this week, but send any questions for Liz to bigfatnegativepodcast@gmail.com (they'll be anonymous, of course). And you can find all the other stuff we mentioned at bigfatnegative.com.

Some swears.

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Team BFN is back in your headphones with a bumper episode to kick off their brand new series - and That Big Announcement, potentially the most-trailed announcement in history - as well as a reshuffle of our BFN regulars.

We've also interviewed Samantha Busch about her experience of secondary infertility, and how it felt when even trying a surrogate led to a BFN. Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child is talking about the Covid-19 vaccine - should you get it when you're TTC?

If you're new to the podcast, it might be worth going back and starting from the very beginning - you'll get to know us better that way.

Swears throughout.

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Crack open a bottle and dig out your novelty Santa hats: you're joining us mid-way through the BFN Christmas party. Gabby, Liz and Emma discuss Christmases past and present and answer questions from listeners. TRIGGER WARNING: the end of this episode includes an update and Gabby and Emma's babies - but we give you plenty of warning in advance.

Have a lovely Christmas everyone! We'll be back next year. In the meantime, you can subscribe to our newsletter, The Waiting Room, at bigfatnegative.com.

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It's Fertility Week 2020 and to celebrate, we're having a massive catch-up with the Foxes. Yep: it's an hour and a half of Liz and Nick, updating us on everything that's happened since we last spoke to them back in August. What's happened since a cyst ruined their party? Tune in to find out.

Some swears.

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It's the last episode of the third series, and unfortunately we've got by far the worst guests ever on the show. Sorry about that. Have a listen anyway and let us know what you think. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick are reflecting on their cycle so far, while Professor Tim tackles IUI - when is it useful and what can help?

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Some swears.

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Martha Goddard is the co-writer and director of All Our Eggs, a series of micro-shorts (the film kind, not the pants kind) chronicling one couple's five-year infertility 'journey' (sorry). Martha joins us to talk about what inspired her to create it, and why she was drawn to the story. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick have taken one step forward and two steps back, while Professor Tim tackles embryo disposal.

You can find All Our Eggs on YouTube, Instagram and TikTok.

Swears throughout.

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Regina Townsend is the founder of Broken Brown Egg, an advocacy group for women of colour who are going through infertility. She discusses her years-long infertility battle and how she learned to fight her own corner. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick are off to the clinic, while Professor Tim Child is talking sperm - is there a good time for them?

Swears throughout.

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Anna German is an illustrator and art teacher whose picture book, So When Are You Going to Have Kids?, explains what it feels like to be asked that question when you are trying to conceive. We talk to her about how she drew creative inspiration from her five-year struggle. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick are coming to terms with using donor eggs, while Professor Tim addresses sleep: does it affect fertility?

You can read Anna's book here.

Some swears.

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After repeated pregnancy losses, Will and Sherisa Rivera were inspired to start Fertility in Colour, an advocate group to help black and brown families going through infertility. Here, they share their experiences of infertility, ttc and explain how their faith is helping them through it. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick reflect on their fertility treatments so far, and Professor Tim tackles PGD and PGS - what are they are how do they differ?

Some swears.

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Beth Leonard identifies as queer and non-binary, and has been trying for a baby since they were 31. In this episode, they describe their 'journey'. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick have Added to Cart - and Professor Tim is tackling yoga. Will it really twist your ovaries?

Swears throughout, especially at the end.

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Sophie Payne is a plus-size YouTube star who had planned her social media pregnancy announcement down to the tiniest detail. The only problem: she has PCOS. She talks infertility and hospital gown issues with Emma and Gabby. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick have a tough decision to make, while Professor Tim tackles a confusing point: is it really ok to freeze, thaw and then re-freeze embryos?

Some swears.

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We're joined this week by food writer and digital marketer Seetal Savla to talk about going through infertility as part of the South Asian community. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick make a big decision, while Professor Tim Child tackles HPV - can it harm fertility?

Some swears.

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Sophia Money-Coutts was in the middle of her first egg freezing cycle when lockdown hit. Now she isn't sure whether to go ahead with a freezing cycle - or buy some sperm and get on with it. Liz and Nick are feeling similarly frustrated by lockdown, while Professor Tim tackles egg sharing.

Some swears.

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This week we're joined by journalist, blogger and podcaster Alison Perry, aka Not Another Mummy Blogger, to talk about secondary infertility - what happens when your body suddenly can't do what it did before? Meanwhile, Liz and Nick look further into egg donation and Professor Tim Child, medical director of Oxford Fertility, tackles Coconut Water - can it really prevent OHSS?

Link to NHS Covid-19 testing guidelines: https://www.hfea.gov.uk/treatments/covid-19-and-fertility-treatment/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-patients/frequently-asked-questions-for-patients-on-coronavirus-covid-19/ (scroll down to 'do I need a test?') and government guidance on testing: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-getting-tested.

Swears throughout.

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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode includes descriptions of baby loss and pregnancy after baby loss.

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Zoe Clark-Coates, author of Saying Goodbye, The Baby Loss Guide and Beyond Goodbye, talks about how she dealt with becoming pregnant after multiple losses. Meanwhile, the Foxes delve deeper into adoption, while Professor Tim Child, medical director of Oxford Fertility, addresses long and short IVF protocols.

Some strong swears.

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Emilie Ransley thought she had won her infertility battle: after pregnancy loss, Asherman's syndrome and 10 rounds of IVF, she and her husband opted to use a surrogate in Ukraine. It was good news - until Coronavirus hit and Ukraine closed its borders. Emilie talks about what happens next. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick get a second opinion, while Professor Tim tackles unexplained infertility.

Some swears.

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Cast your minds back to a world in which Coronavirus was but a distant threat. It's under those conditions that Emma met - and shared coffee with! - Catherine Hendy, co-founder of Elanza Wellness, to talk egg freezing - who, what, why and how. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick have a curveball thrown at them, while Professor Tim tackles Agnus Castus.

Swears throughout.

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Kemi Olowe thought infertility was her story. It wasn't. After her son, Samuel, was born following years of fertility treatments, she discovered a lump in her breast. She tells her story today. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick are confronting the realities of egg donation.

Swears throughout.

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We've finally found someone to talk to us about an issue which affects millions of women: endometriosis. Professor Andrew Horne explains what it is and why it causes infertility, while Professor Tim tackles fresh vs frozen cycles - which are better? Meanwhile, Liz and Nick meet some adoptive parents.

Swears throughout.

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We've had hundreds of messages from listeners who are worried about restrictions on IVF treatment during Covid-19. We grabbed a few minutes on the phone with Rachel Cutting, the HFEA's director of compliance and information, to find out when it will be back.


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This week we're talking about (government-mandated) exercise: Lucy Slimmon started the Rainbow Running Club while she was struggling with infertility - we talked to her about how it has helped her. Meanwhile, the Foxes are dipping their toes into adoption waters, while Professor Tim Child, medical director of Oxford Fertility, talks fibroids,

Some swears.

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It's a post-Easter egg-stravaganza: while the Foxes browse an egg bank for the first time, Professor Tim talks low AMH and egg quality - is there a correlation? Meanwhile, Emma and Gabby talk to HR specialists Becky Kearns and Claire Ingle, who explain what your rights are at work when you're undergoing fertility treatment - and whether it's a good idea to take that big new job.

Mild swears throughout.

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Before you've started fertility treatment - before you've even approached your GP - are there ways to optimise your chances of conception? We spoke to Trudi Campbell, nursing director at The Evewell, about how to give yourself your best chance during your first year TTC. Meanwhile, Liz and Nick have taken a trip to their clinic, and Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, tackles DNA fragmentation.

Swears throughout.

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The girls are still stuck in separate parts of the country - but this week they've spoken to Nicole Robinson, whose IVF cycle was cancelled because of the Coronavirus outbreak, while the Foxes run through their options. Professor Tim Child, medical director of Oxford Fertility, tackles cold blood - can feeling chilly really hinder conception?

Swears throughout.

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We're back for a third series - and we've got new friends to take us through their 'journey' (urgh). Liz and Nick share their story so far, while Professor Tim Child, medical director of Oxford Fertility, explains why Vitamin D is so important when it comes to fertility.

Some swears.

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As the UK braces for the pandemic to hit, thousands of patients undergoing fertility treatment are having cycles cancelled. How do you cope? We spoke to perinatal psychologist Julianne Boutaleb, of Parenthood in Mind, about keeping calm when it feels like your world is crashing down.

Some mild swears.

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We're coming back on March 24, with new interviews, new Prof Tim questions - and a whole new jourrrrney. See you then!


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After a year and a half of BFN we finally sat down with the man, the myth, the legend: Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility. What does he do for fun? What's his favourite colour? Is there a Mrs Prof Tim? We answered all your questions and more...

Some F bombs.

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When fertility treatments work, what happens next? Emma and Gabby are back for a one-off episode to talk about Emma's experiences of giving birth, and how infertility continued to frame her experiences.

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains conversations about giving birth, motherhood and successful IVF treatments. Please protect your heart and don't listen if you don't feel able to.

We'll be back before Christmas with another bonus episode.

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It's the final episode before Emma and Gabby take a break, and we've got a bumper show for you. Lisa Faulkner - yes, her from off of the telly - talks infertility and her journey to adopting her daughter, while Professor Tim Child, medical director of Oxford Fertility, explains whether having a cold during IVF will hurt your chances.

Some swears. Trigger warning: pregnancy chat towards the end.

We'll be back <3

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For the penultimate episode of this series, Emma and Gabby are joined by their friend Ally, who talks about raising a child after infertility, her journey to conceive a second child and what it took to make the difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy after the baby was diagnosed with a chromosomal disorder. You can find Ally on Instagram at @ally_ttc_the_second. Trigger warning: this episode contains discussion of successful IVF, pregnancy and abortion.

As usual: some swears.

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Emma and Gabby are joined by author Genevieve Roberts, who discusses her book, Going Solo: My Choice to Become a Single Mother Using a Donor (out now!). Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, addresses abnormal-shaped uteruses: how much do they affect your chances of conceiving?

Some swears. Find Genevieve's book on Amazon.


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We're joined again by author and psychotherapist Julia Bueno for the second part of our conversation about miscarriage. Julia's book, The Brink of Being, is available on Amazon and in bookshops.

Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, discusses antihistamines - are they ok to take when TTC?

Also here is a link to CoFertility as mentioned in the intro: https://cofertility.com/ – go check it out!

Some swears.

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Hello! Are you a new listener? Why not start from the first episode? You'll get to know us better.

We're joined by author and psychotherapist Julia Bueno for the first part of our conversation about miscarriage. Julia's book, The Brink of Being, is available on Amazon and in bookshops.

Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, addresses saliva - is it good or bad for semen?

Not many swears this week, but lots of adult themes.

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We're joined this week by Kate Spicer, the author of Lost Dog: A Love Story, to talk about pets - why they fill a gap in our hearts, and why they can help us deal with our feelings of grief. Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, explains why you should avoid Ibuprofen when TTC.

Lots of strong swears this week.

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Gabby is joined this week by Lisa Hendrickson-Jack, the author of the Fifth Vital Sign, to talk fertility awareness, and how you can track your cycles to improve fertility. Meanwhile, Professor Tim explains what to do with IVF drugs once you've finished your cycles.

Some swears.

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Gabby and Emma are joined this week by Dr Jan Toledano of the London Hormone Clinic to talk hormones and the role they play in TTC. Professor Tim addresses embryo quality - how to embryologists decide which one to put back?

Some swears.

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Emma and Gabby are joined by Becky Kearns to talk about how she conceived her three daughters via egg donation after she was diagnosed with early menopause. Professor Tim explains why clinics ask IVF patients to stop drugs at different stages during early pregnancy.

Some swears.

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Emma and Gabby are joined by Lina Chan to talk about her 'journey' and why she started fertility information service Adia. Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, returns - this week to why you'll need a full bladder during embryo transfer.

Some swears.

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This week, Emma and Gabby are joined by their first anonymous guest, who talks about her journey and how she reconciles infertility with her Islamic faith. No Prof Tim this week! He'll be back soon.

Some swears.

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Emma and Gabby are joined by Kate Pinney, a midwife from Tommy's, to talk about miscarriage, while Professor Tim tackles apple cider vinegar - can it help regulate hormones? NB. we've banished pregnancy chat to the end of the podcast, so it's easier for you to avoid if you need to.

Are you a new listener? It might be better to start from the beginning. Warning: some swears.

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Why, hello there, stranger. Are you a new listener? Might we suggest you go back and start from the first episode of the podcast? You'll get a much better idea of what we're about.

This week we're joined by Alpesh Doshi, a consultant embryologist and the co-founder of IVF London, who demystifies the role of the embryologist. What does an embryologist do? How do they know they've got a good embryo? Can you really not feel an embryo implant? Doshi answers all your questions.

Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, explains how to bring on a period.

Some swears. Pregnancy chat skippers - please avoid 6:06 to 26:53. Some swears.

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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains audio of Gabby doing her pregnancy test. Please do not listen in you don't feel able to.

It's the big one: did Gabby's embryo transfer work out? She takes you through her two week wait in her audio diary. Elsewhere, Professor Tim tackles DHEA.

Some swears.

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Ahead of National Infertility Awareness Week in the US, we're collaborating with Sarah and Kaela from the Infertile Mafia podcast, who are answering our questions this week. Meanwhile, Gabby is mid-two week wait, while Professor Tim addresses HSGs and HyCoSys: can they really make you more fertile?

Pregnancy chat skippers: avoid 8:28 to 18:34.

Some swears.

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It's the eve of Gabby's frozen embryo transfer, so we've consulted experts, the wider infertility community and, er, Emma, to help her prepare for her big day. Professor Tim Child tackles the thorny issue of folates vs. folic acid.

Pregnancy chat skippers: avoid 6:00 until 12:00. Some swears.

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BONUS EPISODE – today’s installment of BFN is sponsored by Thriva.

Emma and Gabby were invited to host a brilliant event with Thriva, She’s So Hormonal, which brought together experts and real-life stories to raise awareness of how female hormones can affect us. Yes that’s our old friends mood swings, fatigue, bad skin, fertility and the menopause.

This episode is a recording of one of the panel discussions – Own Your Menopause – which saw some kick-ass women talking about their experiences of the menopause and how best to survive it, including:

Meg Matthews – Britpop icon and founder of Megs Menopause

Sally Bee – health & wellbeing coach, journalist and presenter

Jo McEwan – co-founder of Positive Pause

Sara Matthews – gynecologist and menopause specialist at the Portland Hospital

Thriva is the proactive health company enabling you to get a better understanding of your health over time with clinical grade, finger-prick blood tests you take at home. The event was to celebrate the launch of two new kits: female hormones and menopause.

If you fancy trying one, use the discount code BFN to get £10 off. Unfortunately this is one for our UK listeners only. Sorry international buddies xx


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The countdown to transfer begins for Gabby, as the girls are joined by author and journalist Lynn Enright to talk vaginas, vulvas and her new book. Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, makes his glorious return to talk about baby aspirin.

Some swears. Pregnancy chat avoiders: skip 15:35 to 22:55.

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Emma and Gabby are joined by natural fertility expert Dee Armstrong, who talks about TTC sex - how those who don't need IVF can optimise their chances of having a baby naturally. No Professor Tim this week...

Some swears.

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TRIGGER WARNING: Pregnancy is discussed throughout this episode. Please do not listen if you don't feel able to right now.

It turns out infertility doesn't stop at two pink lines. Gabby chairs a short discussion between Emma, Cat Strawbridge and Roma Agrawal, who discuss the effect infertility and loss have had on their pregnancies.

Our usual service will return on WEDNESDAY, rather than Tuesday.

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This week Gabby is still thinking about her lumpy new friend, and Emma is on her high horse. They're joined by Katy Lindemann, aka Uber Barrens Club, who describes the many twists and turns of her 'journey' - including suspected PCOS, a lining that wouldn't co-operate and miscarriage. Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child, medical director of Oxford Fertility, tackles HCG - should its levels really double every 48 hours?

Lots of swears. Pregnancy chat avoiders - skip from 13:17 to 21:03. The Prof Tim section might not be your bag either...

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It hasn't been the easiest week for Gabby, who has discovered an unwelcome new friend, while Emma has taken yet another trip to the EPU. The two are joined by entrepreneur, tech superstar and former policy wonk Rohan Silva, who talks about his oligozoospermia, and why men won't talk about their infertility. Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, tackles intralipids.

Pregnancy chat avoiders - skip 19:43 to 29:36. Some swears.

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The girls are still on their backup mic this week, so bear with them. Gabby's had a wobble - and so has Emma. Luckily, they're joined by Fertility Fest organiser, channel swimmer and all-round fertility superstar Jessica Hepburn to cheer them up. Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child tackles embryo glue - is it worth it?

Pregnancy chat skippers - avoid 13:08 to 21:00. Some swears.

Check out Fertility Fest and buy tickets here.

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Happy Tuesday, yo. Gabby is still agonising over whether to fly to NYC after her transfer, while Emma is having a(nother) anxious moment. Gabby speaks to Vanessa Haye, a social entrepreneur and fertility campaigner, who talks about her faith and her experiences of infertility as a black woman. Meanwhile, Professor Tim tackles drugs timing: if you forget to take a pill, should you panic?

To get tickets to the Thriva event, visit https://blog.thriva.co/shes-so-hormonal-event-launch.

Pregnancy chat skippers: avoid 17:00 to 23:14. Some swears.

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It's a scary week: Gabby's fallen off the wagon, and Emma is gearing up to ditch the IVF drugs. They're talking to Amy and Lucy from Our Big Gay Journey about TTC as a single-sex couple, while Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility addresses flying after embryo transfer - is it ok?

Find Amy and Lucy at youtube.com/ourbiggayjourney. Some swears.

Pregnancy chat avoiders: please skip 5:43 to to 14:17. Enjoy!

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It's a big day for Gabby, as she has her eggs collected during her first round of IVF. Listen to her audio diary, plus a post-match analysis. Meanwhile Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, explains why clinics choose to freeze all instead of doing a fresh transfer.

Some swears.

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It's almost the big day for Gabby, and Emma is getting hands-on. Elsewhere, Emma meets Yvonne John to discuss what it's like to be childless not by choice, and her experience of infertility as a woman of colour. Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility addresses symptom spotting during the two-week wait.

Find Yvonne on her blog at findingmyplanb.wordpress.com, or find her book on Amazon.


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Team BFN are back for their second series.Emma gives us an update on her pregnancy, while Gabby takes her first steps in IVF. They talk to Clare Johnson, who discusses her experiences of Asherman's and her subsequent decision to use a surrogate, while Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility is on hand to explain whether jumping up and down before sex will really put your cervix in a better position for conception.

Some swears.

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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode includes audio of Emma receiving the result of her pregnancy test. 

Is she? Isn't she? Emma has recorded all the twists and turns of her two-week wait - and the eventual result of the dreaded pregnancy test. Gabby and Emma talk about the result, and what happened afterwards, while Gabby discusses her preparations for IVF. Professor Tim Child, medical director of Oxford Fertility, tackles food supplement Inositol. 

Swears (including a liberal smattering of the f-bomb) throughout.


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Gabby's had a big week, with two important appointments which may make or break her first IVF cycle. Meanwhile, Emma's finally in her two-week wait - but you won't hear about that until next week. In the meantime, they're joined by Jocelyn, aka Motheringsolo, to talk about what it's like to do IVF when you don't have a partner (and her criteria for the perfect sperm donor). Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility tackles CoQ-10 - can it really help you to get pregnant?

Swears a-plenty this week.


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Both Gabby and Emma are playing the waiting game this week as they get ready for big dates with their clinics. Before that, though, they're joined by Richard Mackney, co-author of Get A Life: His & Hers Survival Guide to IVF. He talks about IVF from a male point of view, and describes (in pretty graphic detail, FYI) his disastrous first attempt at producing sperm during a round of treatment.

It's an adult one this week - graphic descriptions, F bombs from the beginning. #sorrynotsorry


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Jayne-Anne Gadhia, the former CEO of Virgin Money, joins Emma and Gabby to talk about doing IVF while holding down one of the most senior jobs in UK finance. Meanwhile, Emma is on the countdown to a Big Moment, while Gabby has resorted to at-home testing. Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility tackles the myth of whether the big O can help you conceive.

Some mild swears and, this week, pretty adult themes.


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This week Emma is celebrating the arrival of a certain missing friend, while Gabby's wallet is looking decidedly lighter after she and Mr. Gabby decided to go ahead with some tests. They're joined by Sophie Sulehria and Jonny Baker, whose podcast, The Long Road to Baby, explores the options after IVF. Meanwhile, Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility explains when to have sex during ovulation week.

Swears throughout.

Check out The Long Road to Baby on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts.


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Gabby and Emma are still stuck in limbo, but they've decided not to dwell: to pass the time, Gabby has been checking out organic makeup, while Emma has been getting creative on Instagram. They're joined this week by journalist Kat Brown, who discusses her diagnosis of unexplained infertility - while Professor Tim Child, medical director at Oxford Fertility, talks caffeine.

Swears, including f-bombs, throughout.


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We've got Keeley Dwight, aka Instagram's @tryingtobeamum, in the studio today, where she talks about her 'journey' (ugh) - and the curious case of her missing embryo. Meanwhile, Emma's ovulation is MIA, and Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility addresses pomegranate juice - can it really improve your chances after embryo transfer?

We've also finally got around to planning our Christmas knees-up! Find out more here (or on our website).

Some mild swears.


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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains babies. Gurgling takes place between 25:13 and 53:47 - please skip if you need to.

Emma and Gabby are visiting Katya and Oscar and their twins Mara and Wolf to find out all about doing IVF abroad. They've also accidentally stumbled upon a deeply contentious issue, but the debate keeps raging - are you team front or team back? Plus, Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility tackles running when TTC.

Mild swears.


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It's just Emma and Gabby this week, as they tackle subject everyone in the TTC world is talking about: stress. They've got an extended interview with Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility, who provides a definitive answer to whether or not stress will harm your prospects of conception.

Some swears.


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Forgive any yawning: Emma has given up caffeine, and she's suffering - and Gabby has made an important decision. Meanwhile, superstar urologist Jonathan Ramsey talks about infertility from the boys' perspective, while Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility is addressing McDonald's fries: can they really help implantation, or is it too good to be true?

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Swears throughout.


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It's Wine Tuesday, yo: Gabby and Emma are joined by CNN anchor Hannah Vaughan Jones – who has very publicly documented her IVF journey - and a nice bottle of Chablis. Rather fittingly, Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility addresses whether booze is really such a problem if you're trying to conceive.

Drunken swearing throughout. You can see Hannah's videos on her YouTube channel here.


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We're pretty chirpy this week - Gabby's just back from her holidays and Emma's celebrating a small win. Meanwhile, Emma has interviewed Kate Davies from Your Fertility Journey (yourfertilityjourney.com) about PCOS and what sufferers can do about it, while Gabby has been on the phone to Oxford Fertility's Professor Tim Child about sperm morphology.

We also forgot to read out the email address - it's bigfatnegativepodcast@gmail.com.

Some swears.


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Gabby and Emma are talking about the boom and bust of TTC again - and why Gabby might have ended up all-out lying to Emma. Gasp! Gabby speaks to the creator of the Mindful IVF app, Gordon Mullins, and Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility explains when to test after embryo transfer. 

To find out more about the #Scream4IVF campaign, go to scream4ivf.org.

There are f-bombs all over the shop this week. Sorry about that.


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It's been a philosophical week for Gabby and an annoying one for Emma - but it's ok, because they are joined by eternal optimist Alice Rose. They talk about what it takes to enter the hope zone, how to find coping strategies when you're struggling with infertility, and Alice's new campaign. Professor Tim Child, of Oxford Fertility, explains whether or not wearing socks during embryo transfer will help you get pregnant.

Alice's campaign, Think! What Not to Say, launches on 20 September. Stay up to date by following her on Instagram @thisisalicerose or visiting www.thisisalicerose.com

Some mild swears throughout.


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Emma's best friend Sophie is in the studio to talk about the care and keeping of friendships when you're going through infertility - especially when those friends keep getting pregnant. Meanwhile, Gabby has some surprising news and Professor Tim Child is talking about balls and baths.

Some F Bombs.


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It’s just Emma and Gabby this week. Emma is struggling with the pill, Gabby is getting emotional and they both talk about their experiences of going through infertility and trying to hold down a job. Professor Tim Child of Oxford Fertility tackles whether putting your legs in the air after sex can help you get pregnant. Some mild swears throughout.


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It's been a relatively dramatic week for both Gabby and Emma, fertility-wise - but they've also had Cat Strawbridge, aka @tryingyears in the studio. They talk about why social media is helping people speak out about infertility and how to stop IVF destroying your confidence. Professor Tim Child also sheds light on the ultimate fertility rumour - that eating a pineapple can help you conceive.

Mild swears throughout.


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This week Gabby and Emma share updates on their cycles, then we go back to basics, asking Anya Sizer from the Fertility Network everything you ever wanted to know about infertility and IVF, but were afraid to ask. We're also chatting to Professor Tim from Oxford Fertility about the efficacy of acupuncture. Old wives' tale, or legit treatment? Contains the old mild swear, and an f-bomb right at the end.


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BFN is the podcast about infertility, IVF and the trials of trying for a baby. Journalists Emma and Gabby explain why they've decided to start a podcast, then come over all Californian as they talk you through their 'journeys' in infertility so far. We've also got Professor Tim Child, Oxford Fertility, telling us about the science behind the old wives' tale that raspberry leaf tea will help you conceive.

NB. This episode was recorded back in June - and contains some mild swears.


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