NEXT: A Next Generation Ministry Podcast: Recent Episodes
Zach Hummer & Ryan Baker
A podcast focused on Next Generation Ministry at all levels. From Pastors to Parents, from Vocational to Volunteer, from the church of 50 to the church of 5,000 we are all about the Next Gen Worker.
Our vision is uplift and encourage, to help them see their work as a calling, a profession to which they have been uniquely equipped, and to grow as experts in their field.
Throughout the first half of the season we've taken your hard questions and given you not so great answers. In this episode we seek to right our wrongs and provide you with quality answers to your difficult ministry questions. Well...as quality as we can get.
Ryan, Mark, and Emily talked about reframing discipleship and how youth ministry discipleship too-often focuses only on the content aspect (which is important for sure) but also needs to engage both the head and heart. With the goal of becoming more like Jesus, we need to include sacrifice and service as a core aspect of our approach to discipleship.
Ron has been in youth ministry in various forms for years. His latest book (which will release in 2019) is called "A Defense of Youth Ministry". Not that we thought that it needed defending, but others sometimes don't understand how crucial it is. Ron shares his research, experience and perspective in this episode that we hope reignites the fire inside your "why".
Ken Castor, youth ministry veteran and Professor of Youth Ministry at Crown College, has joined us today to give fantastic perspective into Generation Z, who they are, and how they learn.
Zach & Ryan were joined by James McCall, who shared soul care and sabbath practices that have helped him find balance between his relationship with Christ, his family, and ministry.
Let's face it, we've all made some mistakes in Youth Ministry. Whether big or small we all know those "Oh, crap." moments. Len talks about his international research into youth ministry mistakes and brings great perspective to the topic.
Dan is back on the show! Zach & and Ryan give him a hard to about his new book, but only because it's a good one! Dan's book, Becoming a Student Leader, is meant for the student. Youth Workers can use this resource as a guide for the student leaders to mature in their faith and service.
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Jason Sullivan is a dedicated youth worker like you. He's been working hard raising up the next generation for many years, and has compiled a list of leading questions that can help students and leaders alike to think more deeply about their own growth.
These are sure to help you in your own context.
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There are few things as captivating than listening to a great story. Accompany a story with an electric personality and the power of Jesus, and you have a winner. Dale's story is epic. Try to keep up!
Marv Nelson joins Zach & Ryan to share about his new book - Unleash. It doesn't take long to realize that Marv sees the empowerment of the Next Generation asa crucial task of all leaders in every ministry area.
Note - Zach's Audio had some issues during the recording of the interview. We are sorry!
We're back! With a new name, new segments, and same great non-sense.
NEXT: A Next Generation Ministry Podcast
Join us this week as we talk about how the Next Generation is a crucial part of church health with Terry Smith, the VP of Church Ministries with the Christian & Missionary Alliance.
We are so excited for this special announcement! WYGBARP will be coming alongside NEXT Generation Ministry Conference as an ongoing resource. Season 2 coming Fall 2018 under the name NEXT: a Next Generation Ministry Podcast.
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Tash McGill hangs out with the boys today and the conversation is great! She's a strategist, consultant, writer, and she's a boss! She spends her time consulting with churches and non-profits, helping them with transformation problem solving. Don't miss this episode!
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The guys are joined with a good friend, Rick Romano. Rick runs a missions organization in the Dominican Republic called Mission Twenty Five 35. He shares the importance of living beyond ourselves to make a difference, and there's plenty of laughs along the way!
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The boys are back in podcast town and they're joined by Liz Dong, Midwest Mobilizer of the Evangelical Immigration Table. Liz talks to the guys about what a Christian's perspective on immigration should be, while sharing her own journey and how her youth pastor played a part in it.
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Ryan and Zach were honored to speak with John Stumbo, President of The Christian & Missionary Alliance. During this discussion, John talks about his 4 verbs for the Alliance: love, proclaim, reach, launch, and how those bleed into youth ministry and the church. We also talk about the need students have to communicate the gospel well. Sit back and listen to President Stumbo's heart and enthusiasm for The Alliance and the body of Christ.
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Ryan's out in Cali for training so Zach sat down with Melissa MacDonald, The C&MA National Children's Disciplemaking Specialist. This episode is full of important questions and statements about how crucial the partnership between youth and children's workers real is. We'd tell you to take notes, but we already did that for you! Visit NotARealPastor.com for show notes.
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Ryan & Zach were joined by Superintendent of Madison, CT schools: Thomas Scarice. We talked about the unique challenges facing iGen, and how schools, parents, and youth ministry can best face these issues. It's important that educators and youth workers work together.
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It's time for part two of our interview with Shawn Hart of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. Check it out!
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Ryan's injured, and him and Zach both tell their sides of the story. More importantly, we talk about Sutherland Springs Church, church safety plans, and have an awesome part one interview with Shawn Hart of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. Check it out!
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While at a conference Ryan and Zach caught up with Regina Robinson. In this episode they discuss the difficulties of your calling and how to be a leader in a secular sphere.
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ZACH IS BACK! And thank God, cause we were getting sick of Dan. This episode was recorded live at Lead Youth with Calvin Daly from Manchester Christian Church. On this episode, the guys talk about multi-site youth ministry and leadership practices. Give it a listen!
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We've hit a milestone! Episode 50! Today we're joined with Scott Robbins, youth pastor and Alliance Youth district point person from Waco, Texas. We talk about his experience in youth ministry and his clear passion for evangelism.
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Zach is still on sabbatical, but Ryan and Dan are keeping it moving with Brad Griffin from the Fuller Youth Institute! They discussed his new book "Growing Young" written with Kara Powell and Jake Muller. It sets out to provide 6 essential strategies to help young people discover and love your church. Give it a listen!
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Ryan is joined by Dan Boal and Dannah Gresh as they discuss the importance of talking to teenagers about sexuality at a young age, especially due to exposure happening earlier and earlier in their lives. They give advice on creating fun and healthy environments for men and women to allow these discussions to occur. Oh, and as always, there's a few laughs! Check it out.
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Ryan & Zach are back with Kelvin Walker of Bedford Community Church. Amongst their normal antics, they discuss the transformation power of the Gospel, not just for salvation, but how we can help a hurting world. It's an encouraging and challenging episode you won't want to miss!
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Zach & Ryan are joined again by Dan Boal for a first time ever LIVE episode. All three guys met up in Providence Rhode Island to discuss the future of the podcast, and thought it would be fun to record a snippet of the nonsense.
Greg Stier comes on the main segment to discuss evangelism and Next weeks Dare 2 Share LIVE. Check out this awesome episode!
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Zach & Ryan are in rare form, and its because Elle Campbell, Co-Found of Stuff You Can Use, has jumped in the third chair! There are many a shenanigan to be had, some tips for those creating a first time youth ministry, and a description of GROW, Elle and Kenny's new immersive curriculum. Don't miss this ep!
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Ryan is back and the boys are excited to interview Jeremiah Park, CEO and President of Heartwork, an organization that helps churches #spendyourself to raise funds for issues they are passionate about. Amazing story.
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Zach & Ryan (Dan Boal) are joined by April Diaz, Coaching Director at the www.theyouthcartel.com and a certified coach and trainer at Fuller Youth Institute, to discuss everything from #Charlottesville to Youth Ministry Coaching. This episode almost didn't happen! A must listen for sure!
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Zach, Ryan (Played by Dan Boal), and April Diaz lose a whole episode worth of work. They are convinced it was the work of Devil. New episode re-recording tomorrow...
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Ryan & Zach are back with another great episode with discussion on mission trips, Michelle Carter, and Attachment Oriented Relationships. Why do some students connect with you and then never come back? Why are some students overly annoying and connected? Dr. Ron explains.
Ryan is on a mission trip with is youth group, so today we replay a favorite episode for your listening adventures. Dr. Amy F. Davis Abdallah gave us great perspective on Rites of Passage in young women, a topic that we rarely hear discussed in youth ministry. We hope this episode helps you grow and causes you to think a bit differently.
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We will be back next week with an all new line up of guests as we prepare for a busy Fall! Stay tuned!
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Zach & Ryan are joined by Robbie Haddad, international worker from the C&MA, and a current youth worker in Zach's ministry. Robbie is a product of a faithful youth ministry, and is preparing for a 2 year term in Berlin Germany to minister to Syrian refugees. Robbie is passionate about his calling, and it all began with a faithful Youth Worker. You are making a difference!
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Zach & Ryan are all over the place in this episode. They discuss books they are reading, speaking at a summer camp, and Eugene Peterson. This episode has all the marks of a mid July summer jam. No segments, no form, still good.
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Zach and Ryan are back! They talk about their busy summers, their hurt feelings about last weeks teasing from Katlyn, and the Top 5 things that they expect from every Youth Group Trip.
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Happy 4th of July! Ryan and Zach are off for the holiday, so we're re-releasing Episode 13 with Joshua Becker: Minimalism's Impact on Life and Ministry
Ryan and Zach are along again today, and all the normal non-sense takes place. The boys discuss their schedules, sex trafficking, and Zach is interviewed about how he has done ministry while raising a child with special needs.
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Ryan & Zach are joined this week by David Eaton, CEO and Co-Founder of Axis, a company devoted to helping parents have good conversations with their kids. Today the boys listen and comment as David explains a few of his concerns and ideas about Youth Culture today. No trending this week, Ryan is away in Texas!
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Ryan & Zach are joined by Jason Dumaine, friend and local youth pastor who has some thoughts on transitioning from one youth ministry to another. How do we transition well? What should we avoid? Jason's story gives us some good things to think about.
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Zach & Ryan are joined by youth worker, author, and professor, Dr. Andy Root to discuss his new books, his ideas on faith, and of course, the Grace of Dogs. Great conversation was had by all.
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Ryan & Zach record a week early to prep for their crazy schedules. This episode is all about different spaces that we create within our Youth Ministries. How are you varying your meetings?
Thanks for listening to Ep. 32, the guys will be back next week with a more traditional episode for you!
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Zach & Ryan are prepping for a few crazy weeks of family life and ministry by recording a few episodes in a row. This is the first. Joined by Chris Coakley, President & CEO of Grain of Hope. The boys share this productivity tips, and discuss life in Youth Ministry.
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Zach & Ryan are joined by fellow youth workers, Betty Morejon & Laura Slezak from Sunny Florida! The crew talks about cyber attacks, faith based films, and, most importantly, how to value our volunteers and youth ministry teams.
Zach & Ryan once again prove that, without a guest, they spiral into chaos. A show about values, demonic blue whales, and executive orders... What could possibly go wrong!?
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All aboard the Fail Boat with Jonathan Hobbs - Youth Director and Author of "Don't Do This," a collection of failure stories from youth workers across the US. Never has their been an episode that features kermit the frog, Jon Claude Van Dam, and Breaking Bad references. This one has it all!
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Zach & Ryan are joined by friend of the show and fellow Podcaster, Bethany Needham to talk about her new show, Hey Girl!, depression, suicide, youthmin, and fostering intimacy with God in our busy lives.
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Friend of the show and Youth Pastor Jonathan Mann joins Zach & Ryan to discuss the joys and challenges of Ethnic Ministry Contexts. Lots of laughs and time for serious discussion around mental health issues, and the new Netflix series "13 Reasons"
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Zach & Ryan are joined by Youth Min Champion, author, and Editor of Group Mag, Rick Lawrence. They talk about the effects of tech, bombings in Egypt, and Rick's new book about being a Gritty Christian. This episode was posted late, but it was all Zach's fault.
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Zach & Ryan are left alone again! It was good though. Zach came up with the best middle name of all time, the boys talk about April Fools Day pranks, and online privacy. Our main segment focuses on worship at Youth Group and the importance of having a teaching a solid theology of worship to your students.
Dan Boal Returns! Alliance Youth Director and Youth Ministry Consultant at the Christian & Missionary Alliance, Dan brings a crucial discussion on 5 connections that must be in place for students (and just about anyone, really) to stay engaged in the local church. Zach & Ryan want to say thank you for listening, they cannot believe the show is 23 episodes old!
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Zach & Ryan are joined by Chad & Zac from the After9 Youth Ministry podcast! The mega-sode! What a fun time of laughs, insight, and practical ideas. We hope you enjoy this one, and get start getting involved in your town or city!
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The man, the myth, the legend, Marko Oestreicher joins Zach & Ryan on the show today to discuss his new book Leading without Power. So many nuggets of wisdom, leadership development, and insults were toss around today, and we know you're going to love it.
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Charlie Conder, Middle School Pastor and Coach @ the Youth Cartel, joins Zach and Ryan to discuss the joys of ministering to JR Highers. They talk about elders, Lent, Snapchat, internet trolls, gay Disney characters, and everything in between. Enjoy the episode and let us know what you think.
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Ryan & Zach enter into some serious conversations juxtaposed with nonsense. Which, if we are honest, is a pretty good description of all our shows. Today however, lands in two areas that both Zach & Ryan feel very passionately about. We hope this episode is as life giving for you as it was for us.
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Amy Davis Abdallah joins Ryan and Zach this morning for some discussion around better ministry to young women in our youth groups. Amy is all about Rites of Passage, and her discussion about what they are and how they help is really illuminating. They also talk about the Shack, PewDiePie, and how Zach was a terrible student.
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Zach & Ryan are join by author, pastor, and professor of Youth Ministry, Ken Castor. Ken asks great questions about how to equip leaders, and Ryan asks, "Cash me outside how bou dat?" We also introduce our NEW SEGMENT, Little Joshy's first year in Youth Min. Thanks for Listening!
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Zach & Ryan are alone again on the show. Trust us, it was a LONG episode to edit! The boys love to talk, which makes sense when you are pastors who start a podcast. Today is about the Super Bowl, Zach new technology paranoia, and a great discussion around discipleship.
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Zach & Ryan are joined by friend of the show, and Director of WeAreEnvision, Tim Meier. Tim is passionate about influencing and growing the next generation, and he shares some of the insights he poured into his recently submitted dissertation.
Show Notes to be posted as soon as possible. Zach was very late on getting this episode edited. He thought you might want to have to the audio more that you wanted the show notes. =)
Zach & Ryan catch up with Mark Orr, New England Director of the Nation Network of Youth Ministers and his regional organization, REACH Youth New England. Mark is a Youth Ministry 'yoda' with 40 years of experience.
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Episode 013: Joshua Becker & Minimalism
Zach & Ryan are thrilled to have a great conversation with Joshua Becker centering on the Minimalism movement. Joshua is a author and blogger whose most recent book, The More of Less, has been extremely successful.
Show Notes:
Intro Banter/Youth Group This Week - 0:00 to 18:24
1. Zach reflects on being both grateful and offended at receiving an Elliptical as a gift.
2. Ryan explains how his plan for a 'past, present, and future' themed youth group session worked. Spoiler alert - It was sort of ok!
3. Zach yet again attempts to sell you on the idea that covertly using the Liturgical Calendar in youth ministry is a huge win.
Links mentioned in this segment:
Book: "Let us Keep the Feast: Living the Church Year at Home" http://amzn.to/2jKCeY7
Trending! - 18:24 to 31:11
1. Cowboys, Packers, and Regrettable tattoos - Zach tells the tragic tale of a Dallas Cowboys fan who prematurely got a 'Cowboys Super Bowl Champs' tattoo on his arm. #truefan #dumbdumb
2. Zach talks about trees and their need for community and diversity. Be like trees people! Get it together!
Links mentioned in this segment:
Twitter: Cowboys fan tattoo fail - http://usat.ly/2jyZXgf
TED Radio Hour Podcast: 'Networks' Episode - http://n.pr/1FC2HMC
Main Segment: Joshua Becker on Minimalism in Life & Youth Ministry
31:11 - Ending
1. How are you connected to Youth Min?
2. What exactly is minimalism? How did you find you way into it? How did it effect your faith?
3. Has your following allowed you to minister to people in a new way?
4. How can this message and lifestyle be effective within the context of Youth Ministry?
Links mentioned in this segment:
Joshua Becker's website & blog - http://www.becomingminimalist.com
Joshua Becker's Amazon Page - http://amzn.to/2iB9Ryp
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In episode 12, Zach & Ryan are joined by Nate Parks, President & CEO of Berea Ministries, to talk about the common threads found in healthy youth ministries.
Nate and Camp Berea are connected with over 1,000 churches in the New England region, and his insights are invaluable.
All of the things we discuss today are FREE for you to begin implementing. Pick one and get started!
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Great to be back in the flow of episodes!
Zach & Ryan are back from their short vacation to bring the fun and nonsense. The boys discuss 2016 lessons, 2017 plans, Zach sings a little, and they talk about their list among lists.
Intro - Banter around lessons learned in 2016 and the importance of remembering Past, looking forward to the future, so we can live better in the present
Trending - Mariah Carey and Phubbing... look it up!
Main Segment: What you have all been waiting for!
"Zach & Ryan's completely unoriginal, not creative, totally cliched top 7 things of 2017 to NOT do in your ministry, life, family, or whatever... you get it" TM
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Dan Boal is back for Episode 10 to help keep us in check. We look into some difficult stories surrounding our own Youth Ministry. How we deal with conflict is vastly important.
Ryan & Zach are joined once again by Dan Boal, Youth Ministry Consultant & Director for Christian and Missionary Alliance, the boys discuss ruining Christmas for children, how the Amazon Alexa is out to destroy you, and dealing with conflict in youth ministry. No episode next week, see you all in the new year! #youthpastor #youthmin #youthinministry #cmalliance #Christianity #stumin #notarealpastor
Episode 9 focuses back on some practical things to add to your Youth Ministry. Youth Pastors & Youth Workers will find some solid wisdom here, even though we were without a special guest.
Zach & Ryan are alone today. A fact that has made Zach uncomfortable... The boys have some good laughs, discuss Advent, Fake news, and the Smorgas-board (tune in to hear what it is). Overall Episode 9 is a lot of fun, even without a special guest!
Youth Ministry only benefits from a focus on social justice and serving others before ourselves. Episode 8 reveals Chris Coakley's heart for the poor and hungry.
Ryan & Zach host Chris Coakley from Grain of Hope (www.grainofhope.org) who discusses the beginnings of his company - started with 19 youth group students - and his heart for feeding and caring for the poor. The guys also explain the goals of the podcast, gives some updates on their lives, and Zach gets techie for a few min. A long one, but a good one. Let us know what you think!
Youth Pastors & Youth Workers will appreciate the sarcasm and passion of James Grout, who has a focus on helping teens to become global citizens.
James Grout - Reverend, Global Team Member at One Child Matters, Co-Founder of TeamSend, and all around fun guy - Joins Zach & Ryan as they discuss the impact and importance of short term mission trips. James has a heart and passion for connecting students to the mission field, and helping pastors and churches to plan well for these trips.
Episode 6 is one a deep and profound significance. Please listen in! We all need help in these areas!
Ryan & Zach take some time to chat with pastor and author, Shawn Harrison, about how #youthworkers can better minister to same sex attracted teenagers. This is a crucial conversation for the local church, and Shawn's story offers great perspective and hope. The boys also got a guy named Skip Church to record the vocals for their new intro... They really aren't real pastors!
Youth Pastors & Youth Workers will see how the National Director for Youth Ministry for the C&MA views Youth Ministry on a large scale.
Ryan & Zach, joined by Christian and Missionary Alliance Youth Consultant, and Alliance Youth Director, Dan Boal, take some time to evaluate an article from 2010 that attempts to predict the trends that we will see in #youthmin by 2020. Just over the halfway point, how accurate IS this thing? As is typical for us, there is also a fair amount of levity as we discuss protests to snapchat glasses and everything in between. Dan's mic also pics up his children in the background. Don't worry, they aren't killing each other.
Episode 4 brings in someone with a regional influence over multiple churches. Find out how Youth Ministry is considered on this level.
Zach & Ryan are joined by the District Superintendent of the Christian & Missionary Alliance in New England. Tom Flanders is, well, their boss! Listen in, as his heart for churches and youth ministry is evident in the way he leads and encourages. It is great to see leaders on a regional level speak into the local church to affirm the impact of youth ministry! Oh yeah, and Zach bares his heart regarding his personal difficulties with politics and pastoring.
Episode 3 brings on our first guest, friend of the show, Andy Needham. The Youth Pastor and Youth Worker Conference LEAD Youth was a smashing success!
Zach & Ryan are joined by Greenhouse Ministries Director, Church Relations expert, and New England rockstar, Andy Needham. The guys discuss the "news", talk about music, and get the chance to interview Andy about the LEAD Youth Conference and his passion to equip and encourage New England churches.
Youth Pastors & Youth Workers, be encouraged by the craziness! Episode 2 has it all!
Fat Jokes, Math, New Sound Equipment, World Series teams and discussions on how sports can effect the morale of a city, but the real important stuff lies in the main topic - How to build a leadership team that stays bought in for the long haul. Ryan gets some time to share his expertise!
Focused on the goal of empowering and encouraging Youth Pastors & Youth workers, Episode 0 helps to solidify our vision.
Zach & Ryan re-recored the super secret Episode 0 which, in its original form, was ruined due to a refrigerator running in the background. In the episode the boys spend some time discussing the name of the podcast and the vision that will keep this thing moving. Why are we recording these each week? Tune in and find out!
We are all about Professional Youth Ministry and empowering Youth Leaders & Youth Workers, Episode 1 beings the journey.
Zach & Ryan kick of the show with a discussion of the books they're reading, and then jump into the laughs and tears that make up the 2016 Presidential Election. The boys try to stay on topic enough to make it to the main segment - The LEAD Youth Conference in Hudson MA.