Behind Gray Walls: Recent Episodes
Behind Gray Walls
“Behind Gray Walls” is a podcast featuring stories from inmates housed at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary. Each week, Skye and Anthony explore inmates whose crimes led them to serve time at the "Old Pen." Their history is explored in depth and compared to corrections topics faced in communities today.
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In this live episode, recorded on March 27, 2025, at the Podfort stage at Boise Contemporary Theater during Treefort Music Festival, Anthony shares the story of Walter Lei (#7062 & #8174), a scrappy barroom brawler with a tragic connection to the Women’s Ward. Samuel breaks new ground for the podcast by telling the story from the victims’ perspective for the first time, that of Sterling Tucker and his mother, Laura Conway Tucker, a pioneering Idaho newspaper editor.Video of the episode is available on Spotify and YouTube. https://youtu.be/in4i3oTLvic
In our first episode back after a rather extended break, we’re ready to hit the ground running! First, Skye tells Anthony and Samuel about a woman whose tumultuous relationship leads to some unfortunate outcomes #8568 Zona McCollum (Assault with a Deadly Weapon), and then Samuel takes over to tell another classic Old West tale of a cowboy, stage robber, and escape artist #483 Charles Chambers (Robbery).
In this episode, Anthony, Samuel, and Skye are joined by the voices of the men and women who lived and worked at the prison to guide visitors through the site. Drawing from oral histories of wardens, chaplains, matrons, guards, and prisoners, this immersive tour brings the past to life as we lead you through the Old Idaho Penitentiary’s four-acre grounds.
In this rock-solid Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Samuel chip away at history with Old Pen staff member Eric Overzet, who quarries the fascinating story of the Old Pen's iconic building material - Table Rock’s sandstone.
On today’s Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony interviews Steve North, Old Idaho Penitentiary Volunteer and Commander of the Boise Chapter of the Forty and Eight. Steve dives into the captivating history of the Merci Train Boxcar, a symbol of gratitude from France to the United States after World War II. He shares insights about the enduring friendship between the two nations and the incredible stories of generosity and connection that emerged in the aftermath of war. For more information, pick up Boxcar Diplomacy by Jane Sweetland:https://store.history.idaho.gov/GiftShopItem.aspx?I=1526Steve North's Captivating Conversation:https://youtu.be/kXa2hL_w9fwJane Sweetland's Captivating Conversation:https://youtu.be/DhJmBsOO7y8http://mercitrain.org/https://www.fortyandeight.orgOral History:Truman, Harry S. "President Truman's Radio and Television Address Concluding a Program by the Citizens Food Committee." Delivered from the White House, Washington, D.C., October 5, 1947. National Archives Identifier (NAID) 325599790.News coverage clip provided by Jane Sweetland.
In our 99th episode (can you believe it?), Skye has an extra short story because Samuel has an extra long story! Starting with the shorter, Skye discusses a young woman whose early hard-knock life made it difficult to adjust to life as an adult #8451 Claire Reasoner (Forgery) and an Old West Yellowstone stagecoach robber whose exploits, he believed, made him the inspiration for the hero of the classic 1902 Western book, The Virginian #814 Edwin Trafton (Grand Larceny).
On today’s Stool Pigeon Saturday, Samuel interviews Kirsten Corbett, Exhibits & Communications Director at the Jackson Hole History Museum. Kirsten discusses the rich history of Jackson Hole and shares insights about the opening of the brand-new Jackson Hole Museum. She also provides fresh perspectives on subjects previously featured on the show, including Teton Jackson (#111) and Edwin Trafton (#814), and shares fascinating stories about some of the trailblazing women of Jackson Hole. To check out the Jackson Hole Museum: https://jacksonholehistory.org/ To learn more about the some of the Native American nations of the Tetons. https://www.sbtribes.com/about/ http://windriveredu.com https://easternshoshone.org/about/#:~:text=The%20Eastern%20Shoshone%20Tribe%20has,at%20over%2012%2C000%20years%20ago.
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Samuel and Skye interview author Jan Cerney about her 2016 book Calamity Jane and Her Siblings: The Saga of Lena and Elijah Canary, in which she uncovers the tumultuous Canary family relationships often overlooked in the Calamity canon.Pick up a copy in the Souvenir Confinement store at the Old Pen, or order online: https://store.history.idaho.gov/GiftShopItem.aspx?I=103
In this episode, Anthony shares the story of James Pickett (Murder), an Irishman whose possibly accidental killing led to his imprisonment in Idaho's oldest standing Territorial jail and ignited a debate over jurisdiction for crimes committed on tribal land, while Skye tells the story of Billy Garland #5127, a woman whose prison experience truly reflected the phrase "do your own time, do your own number" (Passing a Fictitious Check).Watch a presentation with John Bradbury about the history of Pierce:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Yp9uLTRXA
On this episode, Samuel regales Anthony and Skye with the life story of a sheriff in Owyhee County whose refusal to use a gun in the old west town of Silver City ended with a stint in the prison - as the warden, that is.
In this special spooky-season episode, Anthony and Samuel sit down with Marie, Madison, Sidney, and Tina from Big River Paranormal. They discuss their investigative philosophy, the tools they use, and share some of the chilling experiences they’ve encountered at the Old Idaho Penitentiary.EVPs captured during investigations are featured throughout the episode. Keep an ear out for a growl and a whisper saying, "You should let me out." For more, visit: www.bigriverparanormal.com.Have you grabbed your tickets for our Halloween event, Squawky & Spirits, on October 25 and 26th? Enjoy a night of spooky fun with two Haunted Houses, presentations by our very own Samuel, and SO MUCH MORE!Get your tickets here: history.idaho.gov/event/squawky-spirits-2024/Don't miss out!
On this our last episode before a small break, Anthony regales Skye and Samuel with the complicated story of possibly-blind and heavily tattooed (like 2/3 of the podcasts' hosts) #11401 (Forgery) #12493 (Murder in the First Degree and Escape) Frank "Tony" Grooms, while Skye (recently laid up with a freak-accident ankle-break) tells the story of the only resident of the Women's Ward to hail from the Duck Valley Reservation #6857 Woffie Bitt (Forgery).Oral History:Melvin Aldous #11458, August 24, 1985, Idaho State Archives.You can pick up your tickets to our Halloween Event - Squawky & Spirits - here:https://history.idaho.gov/event/squawky-spirits-2024/
In this episode, Samuel guides Anthony and Skye through the intertwined stories of Willis Brundridge (#716, Grand Larceny) and Ira Harder (#679, Second-Degree Murder) as they explore the events that led to Brundridge being incarcerated alongside the man who killed his son. With invaluable help from Harder's family, this episode will also unravel a 116-year-old mystery that's been waiting to be uncovered.Have you grabbed your tickets for our Halloween events at the Old Pen?October 12 – Behind the Scenes ToursDiscover hidden stories and access secret areas!Get your tickets here: https://history.idaho.gov/event/bts24/October 25-26 – Squawky & SpiritsEnjoy a night of spooky fun with two Haunted Houses, presentations by our very own Samuel, and SO MUCH MORE!Get your tickets here: https://history.idaho.gov/event/squawky-spirits-2024/Don't miss out!
In this episode, Skye covers Mrs. H. E. Brooks #4238 (Involuntary Manslaughter) who found support behind the walls of the Idaho State Penitentiary despite her record behind the wheel, and Anthony covers John Sayer #1912 (Abortion) who nearly avoided serving his sentence simply by failing to report to the prison.Have you grabbed your tickets for our Halloween events at the Old Pen?October 12 – Behind the Scenes ToursDiscover hidden stories and access secret areas!Get your tickets here: history.idaho.gov/event/bts24/October 25-26 – Squawky & SpiritsEnjoy a night of spooky fun with two Haunted Houses, presentations by our very own Samuel, and SO MUCH MORE!Get your tickets here: history.idaho.gov/event/squawky-spirits-2024/Don't miss out!
In this live episode, recorded on March 21, 2024, at the Podfort stage during the Treefort Music Festival, Samuel discusses moonshiner Frank Rosso #3003 (Manufacture of Intoxicating Liquor), Skye shares poetry and art published in the prison magazine by the women of the Women's Ward, and Anthony talks about an unnamed rock star who failed as a marijuana dealer but found success as a musician.Oral History:Guard Donald Dye, 5/21/1992 (Idaho State Archives)Like the pod? Grab your own Behind Gray Walls t-shirts here:https://store.history.idaho.gov/GiftShop.aspx?C=11&S=59
On today’s Stool Pigeon Saturday, our guest might be familiar to some of you - it’s Dr. Skye! On a highly nepotistic episode, Dr. Skye joins us not just as an Idaho historian but as an American cultural historian too! She tells us a little bit about her dissertation, which she wrote alongside the podcast, about the history of the Sun Valley Ski Resort in Ketchum, Idaho, and why it matters that famous Hollywood actresses visited and skied there.
On the first episode of our TENTH season (we can’t believe it, either), Anthony, Skye, and Samuel open the season a little wild…William Wild, that is! Hear about Penitentiary barber #2368 Wild (Grand Larceny) whose skill in cutting men’s hair proved to be both helpful and deadly, and the less-Wild story of #10233 Ina Jane Valle Paul (Forgery), whose life gives us an opportunity to discuss some very important and often untold Native American history in the state of Idaho.
In this off-season episode, the team celebrates the release of 32 Cells: Artistic Reflections on the Old Idaho Penitentiary, a new book featuring over 70 local and regional artists that chronicles the first five years of the iconic 32 Cells Art Show. Anthony, Samuel, and Skye are joined by Old Pen staff member Jacey Brain, along with Idaho artists Sue Latta and Chopsy (aka Ryan Harrison). They discuss the creation and publication of the book, the artistic methods used to incorporate Old Pen history into their work, and the role of art in humanizing the prison experience.Purchase a copy of the book here:https://store.history.idaho.gov/GiftShopItem.aspx?I=9120Purchase tickets to the August 17th 32 Cells Event here:https://history.idaho.gov/event/32cells24/Visit Sue Latta's website here:https://suelatta.com/Visit Chopsy's website here:https://www.itsmechopsy.com/
In this very heavy episode, Skye and Anthony close the season with two stories of people whose states of mental health lead to some emotional moments and incredibly tragic stories, #7035 Ethelyn Irene Peterson (Murder in the 2nd Degree) and #788 Ed Rice (Murder in the 1st Degree).WARNING: This episode includes discussions of crime against a child, suicide, and execution. Please take care while listening. Listener discretion is advised. Please help us improve! Take our survey:https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Q2PHF3J
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, the team interviews Matthew Connelly, lead park ranger at Alcatraz Island. Matthew provides an overview of the renowned prison's history, delves into the daily experiences of both the residents and staff on the island, and concludes the story surrounding William Dainard's (#3821) associate, Harmon Waley (#4188).To learn more about Alcatraz or to book your next trip, visit:https://www.nps.gov/alca/index.htm
In a completely coincidental yet oddly-Rathdrum-history-heavy penultimate episode, the original duo are back in with Sam in the commenter's chair. Anthony starts, covering a man of many names whose felony in Idaho was one of the least interesting things about his story #3821 William Dainard (Robbery), while Skye follows with a story of a Rathdrum pioneer whose gambling habits may have gotten a little bit out of control #6691 Minnie Jane Farr (Embezzlement).
On today’s episode, Skye tells the story of a young woman whose husband, in the 1950s, was a real door-to-door vacuum salesman(!) #10351 Donna Mae Peterson (Burglary). Meanwhile, first-time host, Charlee, tells the story of one of the most influential doctors in the city of Boise (who also served as prison physician), Dr. George Collister.
In this week's special episode, Skye comes to the episode empty-handed (school is hard) and Anthony-less (work is hard) and instead comments on Samuel's masterful telling of #111 William "Teton" Jackson (Grand Larceny) whose story intersects with a crucial event in Wyoming history and the controversial Sheriff Frank Canton.Photo:Jackson Hole Historical Society and Museum Collection: 1958.0003.001P
Join all three hosts around the campfire for a whole host of spooky Idaho stories from the 1880s through the 1940s - some of these stories may not be related to the Penitentiary directly, but they’ll still send some chills up your spine - and even make you laugh. And, if while you’re listening, you hear a stick crack behind you…it may not be your imagination. Happy Halloween!!
On today’s episode, Skye relates the story of a young woman whose training in beauty school got her a few extra perks #11513 LaLonda Lee King (Robbery) and Anthony tells the story of a young man who had a real knack for escaping until the very end #2062 Ulysses Bearup (Murder in the First Degree).Oral Histories:Emile Ehle (McLaws), 1/19/1994 (Idaho State Archives)
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye hang up their spurs again to hear Samuel share the fascinating story of six-shooter-Jack and the Gunfight at Grave Creek. Listener discretion is advised.
Today, all three hosts are together, with Anthony working as our star commentator. Samuel shares the story of a young man who was, at worst, a murderer, and at his most intriguing, an assassin #286 Oscar “Tex” Selene Herbert (Murder in the Second Degree), while Skye recounts the story of an alleged cattle thief who really had more problem with Prohibition Laws than her actual crime #2529 Cora Atkinson (Grand Larceny).
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony interviews Jennifer Hills, President of the Friends of Stricker, and discusses the fascinating history of Rock Creek Station and the Stricker Homesite which served as a stopping point along the Oregon Trail. It is a must see for anyone interested in Idaho and Oregon Trail History. To learn more:facebook.com/friendsofstricker/friendsofstricker.org/https://history.idaho.gov/stricker/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD6ndFjbCY8To volunteer:friendsofstricker@gmail.com
In this week’s episode, Anthony is back and ready to regale us with the tale of an old Mormon pioneer whose desire for revenge ended up being his downfall William Dowdle (Grand Larceny) and a young woman who was accused of being a “Moll” (slang for a gangster’s girlfriend) #5183 Delia Smith (Robbery).Visit the Rock Creek Station/Stricker Homesite on Friday, October 13th, to hear stories of death and tragedy from days gone by. $5!https://www.facebook.com/strickerafterdark/
This week, Samuel steps into Anthony’s spot and covers one of our earliest residents, a stagecoach driver from Deadwood, South Dakota, whose gun duel carried some big consequences #16 Samuel Ridgeway (Murder) and Skye examines a woman who was previously unknown in our records who got involved with the wrong guy #8323 Eddie Mae Gooch (Robbery).
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday recorded in 2022, Anthony interviews then Old Pen tour guide Camille Daw, who tells the exciting and tragic story of Ralph Poindexter #12596 (Grand Larceny). Camille now works as the Program and Outreach Manager at the Minidoka National Historic Site.
In this episode recorded live on March 23rd, 2023 on the Storyfort stage during Treefort Music Festival, Anthony covers Tom Rock #3786 and M J Star #3787 (Grand Larceny), the daring duo fresh out of the Ada County jail who stole a car while the owner was enjoying Boise Music Week, while Samuel uncovers the tragic tale of musician Len Douglas #903 (Manslaughter), who killed a man in a jealous rage over a woman.
In our first episode back of the new season, Anthony introduces us to Warden Raymond May, whose progressive ideas focused on humanity, not crime, while Skye opens the season with a woman who liked to stretch the truth, including when she signed checks, #9533 Dorothy Jean Tate (Forgery).Tickets are available for October events at the Old Idaho Penitentiary! Purchase them here: https://history.idaho.gov/events/Have questions or comments? Email us at: behindgraywalls@gmail.com
We're back to work bringing you Idaho history and the stories of the men and women who worked and resided at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary. Stay tuned!
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with Franziska Borders, Adjunct of German at Boise State University. Franziska translated a censored letter sent to German farmer turned hypnotist turned murderer Henry Wilmbusse #852 covered in Ep 30 of the podcast. Visit our Facebook group to see the letter and more: https://www.facebook.com/groups/behindgraywalls.Special thanks to the artist Spooky Dinosaur (Nathan Viebell) for donating money to make this translation happen! https://www.thespookydinosaur.com/Donations allow us to pursue special projects and improve the quality of the podcast. Listen to Wilmbusse's story here:https://soundcloud.com/behindgraywalls/ep-30-wilmbusse-and-proud
On the last episode of the season (and the first of the new year), Skye and Anthony talk about two pretty intense stories – first of a woman whose husband died by hamburger (sort of) #7610 Elizabeth Lottie Lacey (Murder in the First Degree) and one of the ten men executed on the grounds of the Idaho State Penitentiary on a cold winter night #3301 Noah Arnold (Murder in the First Degree). Be warned that both stories deal with murder and violence, as well as mentions of abuse – please listen with caution. Oral Histories:Matron Lulu Rowan; 3/6/1987; Idaho State ArchivesJohn Jr. and Fred Snook (Son and Grandson of Warden John Snook); 2/12/1991; Idaho State Archives.
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with return guest Suzanne Squires to discuss the many crimes and escapes of Mike Donnelly #3302 (Murder in the 1st Degree).
On today’s episode, the last of the year, Anthony and Skye examine the stories of a father and son whose main meeting was inside the prison walls #4536 Roy Little (Forgery) and #4619 James Little (Grand Larceny) and a woman who definitely had a thing for men in the Navy #9050 Elda Lee Lennon (Forgery).Oral History:Charles Sharp; 12/20/2022; Idaho State Archives.
On today’s episode, Skye and Anthony converse about a young woman whose fingers are light and her crime details unknown #1148 Eveline Clark (Burglary in the 2nd Degree) and a man whose life had two paths he could have taken – and he chose the one of crime not once but twice #5514/#6137 John Raff (Burglary in the 2nd Degree/Grand Larceny).Looking for last minute gifts? Look no further! Check out the Old Pen Store Souvenir Confinement:https://store.history.idaho.gov/giftshop.aspx(Most items are only available for in-store purchase at this time)Oral History:Guard Jim Howland; 7/28/1992. Idaho State Archives.
As we continue into the second half of the season, Anthony and Skye profile a man whose trade in creamery stock ended up in a not so sweet jail sentence #2363 A.L. Sparling (Obtaining Money Under False Pretenses) and a woman whose cross-country road trip got her in an awful lot of trouble #8337 Kay Goddard (Burglary in the First Degree).Sign up for the monthly Idaho State Historical Society Histor-E Newsletter here: https://idaho.us1.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=8a59045b76ba76cd6b2ad4f97&id=fadd891d5b
Our second episode with guest co-host Samuel features the stories of a young woman whose live was plagued with tragedy, including her husband’s death at the hands of her brother #11828 Philnoma Moncisco (Robbery) and a young man whose search for wealth and success in a large polygamous family ended in a prison sentence #587 David Norwood (Murder in the 2nd Degree). This episode includes graphic descriptions of a violent attack. Listener discretion is advised.
Halfway through season 8, we’re mixing things up, including a guest co-host, Samuel Anderson! In this episode, Samuel and Skye chat about a K.O. King and his storied boxing career in prison #5474 Chester Arthur King (Burglary) and a woman whose alleged fiancée was spending her money on someone else #5304 Mary Turner Hansom (Voluntary Manslaughter). This episode includes descriptions of gun violence. Listener Discretion is Advised.
Oral Histories: Guard Frank Rigby; 7/13/1992. Idaho State Archives.
Franklin D. Roosevelt; 9/6/1936 Fireside Chat. Millercenter.org
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye hang up their spurs and sit down with Old Pen Staff Member Samuel Anderson who shares three stories of wild west gunfights in territorial Idaho. Listener discretion is advised.
Want to support the podcast? Consider becoming a member of the Idaho State Historical Society today! history.idaho.gov/membership/
In today’s episode, Anthony and Skye have a good chat about an LGBTQ+ inmate whose piano playing talent provided some prison levity #7047 Wesley Hudson (Burglary) and a woman whose crime is surprisingly relevant even a century later #3231 Cora Sampley (Involuntary Manslaughter).
This episode includes discussions of sexual crimes against minors and deals with the subject of abortion. Listener discretion is advised.
In this LIVE episode from the Storyfort stage on March 24, 2022, Anthony and Skye regale the audience with the stories of a woman whose charge was only one time she had a run-in with authorities during Prohibition #3534 Eva Bowman (Inducing a Girl to Enter a House of Prostitution) and a man who portrayed ol' Knothead Gilbert Talley in a monthly comic #8974 Albert McGee (Burglary in the 2nd Degree).
To see Albert McGee's Knothead comics and join the discussion, visit our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/behindgraywalls/permalink/5378385662273175/
In this Halloween Special of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye sit down with Old Pen Staff members Samuel Anderson, Jacey Brain, and Darin Young to dig into the spooky history of Idaho cryptids. They discuss the Payette Lake monster Sharlie, Camas's Wild Man, Ghost Miners, and the Guyascutus.
Special thanks to our Historical Society maintenance craftsman Charlie Burry for playing fiddle for the episode.
Like what you hear? You can support the podcast by donating at: https://history.idaho.gov/donate/donation-payment/
In the second episode of the new season, Skye and Anthony discuss a member of the Nez Perce tribe who got caught having some trouble with checks, and dive DEEP into the history of the Idaho State Tuberculosis Hospital #11233 Estella Wilson (Issuing a Check Without Funds) and a man whose head injury may have had a major role to play in his crime #3241 David Hoagland (Murder in the 1st Degree).
To learn more about the Old Idaho Penitentiary and upcoming events, visit: https://history.idaho.gov/oldpen/
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with Old Pen Staff Member Tristin Hafer, who shares the fascinating and lesser-known story of #79 "Colonel" William H. Dewey (Manslaughter), one of Idaho's leading pioneers and entrepreneurs.
Want to support the podcast? Consider becoming a member of the Idaho State Historical Society today! https://history.idaho.gov/membership/
In the premiere of season 8, Anthony and Skye again take on some of the prison’s heaviest hitters, including a former mayor who may or may not have been falsely accused #5826 Duncan Johnston (Murder in the 1st Degree), and the prison’s youngest female inmate who had an affinity for dolls #8170 Alwilda Reems (Murder in the 2nd Degree). Both stories feature intense gun violence. Listener discretion is advised.
Check Skye out in Wilda by Parallel Worlds Productions - the winner of our 13 Stories History Award in 2021: https://youtu.be/YMtZ_oRf3bk
We're back at it, bringing you Idaho history and the stories of the men and women who worked and resided at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary. Stay tuned!
In this episode, Skye and Anthony wrap up the Mining season with a look at the industry from the 1860s to today, and reflect on the ghost towns scattered throughout the state.
If you like the podcast, you can support us by becoming a member of the Idaho State Historical Society (https://history.idaho.gov/membership/). A membership gives you free admission to the Old Pen and State Museum, early access to exhibits, early registration to select events, 15% discount in the gift shop, and much more! Join today!
In this episode, Anthony interviews Dan Everhart, Outreach Historian for the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO). Dan discusses his career in historic preservation, the history and development of the historic Assay office in downtown Boise, and his own unique connection to the Old Idaho State Penitentiary.
Oral History: Josef Munch - Summer 2001.
In this episode, Skye and Anthony discuss the first five men to serve time in the Territorial Prison from Ada County - Al Priest and John Stuart Black (Highway Robbery), Charles LaDuke (Grand Larceny), Jacob Drake (Assault with Intent to Murder), and Michael Donahue (Assault with Intent to Murder) - and dig into the county's role as a center for lumber and commerce.
In this episode, Skye and Anthony discuss the first three men to serve time in the Territorial Prison from Boise County - Ah Hood (Robbery and Assault with Intent to Commit Murder), On Gow (Manslaughter), and Dennis Crowley (Murder in the 2nd Degree), and dig into the county's rich mining history.
Donate today! Idaho Gives - Foundation for Idaho History: https://www.idahogives.org/organizations/foundation-for-idaho-history
State Historic Preservation Office Poster Unveiling with Ward Hooper: https://history.idaho.gov/event/idaho-archaeology-and-historic-preservation-month-poster-unveiling-with-ward-hooper/
In this episode, Anthony and Skye interview Dr. Heather Branstetter, author of Selling Sex in the Silver Valley: A Business Doing Pleasure. Heather shares the history and role of sex work that flourished around Idaho mining and timber towns as late as 1991.
Check out this short documentary about Wallace, Idaho and the history of sex work by Dr. Branstetter and director Delaney Buffett. Viewer discretion advised:
https://filmshortage.com/dailyshortpicks/wallace/
In this episode, Skye and Anthony discuss the first man to serve time in the Territorial Prison from Nez Perce County - William Scott(Grand Larceny), and dig into the county's rich mining and union history.
Clips: Senator Robert Wagner speech on the National Labor Relations Act (1935) Frank "Andy" Starr - "Tragedy in the Sunshine Mine" - In Concert at the Idaho State Penitentiary (1973)
In this episode, Skye and Anthony discuss the first men to serve time in the Territorial Prison from Owyhee County - John Thomas (Grand Larceny) and Ah Shock (Manslaughter), and dig into the county's rich mining history.
In this episode, Skye and Anthony dig deep into Idaho's early mining history, and cover a brutal murder and the first executions in the territory.
In this episode, Anthony sits down with geologist and author Terry Maley to discuss the impact the General Mining Act of 1872 had on the west, and his career and insights into mining in Idaho.
In this season premiere, released on the 150th anniversary of the opening of the Territorial Prison, Skye and Anthony discuss the discovery of gold that brought miners into the Idaho Territory, and the establishment of law and order that developed soon after.
We're working hard to bring you a brand new season!
March 21st (6-8pm) - Old Idaho Penitentiary 150th Anniversary Commemoration Tickets: https://history.idaho.gov/event/op150/
March 19th-26th - Cemetery Tour Tickets: https://history.idaho.gov/event/cemetery/
March 24th (6pm) - Treefort Live Performance: https://www.treefortmusicfest.com/schedule/
In the finale of this extended season, Anthony and Skye profile a couple of people with money problems—first, a man whose crimes send him to the very place he had worked #5693 Tony Phelan (Embezzlement); second, a young woman whose trial is one of the best covered of any of our lady forgers, #4345 Viola Lowe (Forgery).
In this season’s couple’s episode, Skye and Anthony piece together the complicated stories of the Wheelers/Wilcoxes who were allegedly running a “Certified Check Racket,” and whose post-ISP exploits are far more interesting than their time inside #3234 Mildred Wilcox (Forgery) and #3235 Frank L. Wilcox (Possession of Forged Checks).
In this episode, Skye and Anthony are back from their break and discuss a woman whose AWOL husband causes quite a few problems #9008 Doris Mae Ainesworth (Forgery) and a man whose fall from a building in the middle of the night proved his (pun intended) downfall #1793 William P. Surratt (Burglary in the 1st Degree).
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye sit down with Old Pen staff member and resident boxer Samuel Anderson, who shares the history of boxing at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary and opens up about his own boxing career.
In this Halloween Special Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony brings back Old Pen Education Specialist Suzanne Squires to discuss the brutal life and death of #128 Samuel Hatton (Grand Larceny).
In this episode, to help us all get in the Halloween spirit, Anthony and Skye recount the spooky story of a man whose victim’s head ended up in court #487 Henry H. Capps (Manslaughter) and a young woman whose nickname “Tarzan” is a lot more fun than her gruesome crime #7282 Verna “Tarzan” Keller (Murder in the Second Degree). Trigger warning: explicit details of graphic murder. Listener discretion advised.
In today’s episode, Skye and Anthony detail the lives and (many) crimes of a woman whose previous experience with guns made her a little bit “gun-shy” #2326 Dollie Underwood (Robbery) and a four-timer who may have been innocent of his second crime (out of four!) #581/#830/#4923/#5334 David Kidd (Burglary in the 2nd Degree/Attempt to Kill By Administering Poison/Grand Larceny(x2).
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony interviews recently retired Warden Jay Christensen who reflects on his career and discusses the transformations he has witnessed over the last three decades within the Idaho Department of Corrections.
In this episode, Old Pen technical records specialist Ian Pickens shares the story of Frank Lobear #5319 (Manslaughter) who attempted to defend his own honor and after his incarceration became a local legend of the Frank Church Wilderness.
In this LIVE! episode from the Storyfort Stage at the Treefort 2021 music festival, Anthony and Skye regale the audience (both live and digital) with the stories of two musical men who shared their skills while incarcerated at the prison, Lewis Ensley #5720 (Burglary in the 2nd degree) and Garth Reynolds #7428/#8091 (Grand Larceny and Burglary in the 1st Degree) and a prominent Boise woman who embezzled thousands as clerk for the City of Boise #4860 Angela Hopper(Embezzlement).
Special thanks to Storyfort for having us at the event, and Saxophone player Mike Ward for performing an improvised rendition of "Ace in the Hole" by Cole Porter.
In this episode, Skye and Anthony tell the stories of a woman whose feminine wiles got her in trouble more than once #5952 Alta Hazeltine (Attempted Robbery) and the devastatingly dastardly duo who embark on committing life insurance fraud #9931 Charles Feely and #9932 Monty Moore (Bombing a Building & Assault with Intent to Commit Murder).
In our first LIVE! episode Skye was able to participate in, Anthony and Skye regale the audience (both live and digital) with the stories of a man whose life and crime has everything—including divorce and donuts #7241/#7690/#8376 Delmar Theodore Swatsenbarg (Forgery/Robbery) and a woman whose alleged blackout proved fatal #12081 Bonnie Jean Deaton (Voluntary Manslaughter).
In this episode, Skye and Anthony chat about a woman who was one of three Native American women who entered the Idaho State Penitentiary for Forgery on the same day #11235 Claire Johnson Lopez and a nineteenth-century Forrest Gump (allegedly!) #958 H. M. St. Cyr (Manslaughter).
In the first episode of the sixth season, Anthony and Skye discuss a man whose experience in Siberia with a spoon is only scratching the surface of his troubled life, #11226/#12337 Dennis Guy Clark (First Degree Burglary/Second Degree Kidnapping) and a woman whose six-week old baby gained her a lot of sympathy and a very short prison sentence #2404 Mamie Ross (Receiving Stolen Goods).
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We recorded a live episode at the Old Pen on July 16. Our next live recording will be at Treefort on Saturday, September 25 at 4pm!
Oral Histories: Josef Munch, 7/15/1987 (Idaho State Archives) Mark Maxwell, 10/2/1981 (Idaho State Archives)
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with Bette Joe and Roch, the wife and son of the late Jerry Clapp. Jerry was a boy when his father, Lou Clapp, became Warden of the Idaho State Penitentiary in 1945, a position he would hold for 21 years. Jerry, ever the story teller, documented his experiences as The Warden's Son in a memoir that will be released on May 21st of this year.
Oral Histories include: Jerry Clapp, Guard Frank Richardson, Guard Chet Stinnett, Guard C. W. Vanderford, and Inmate Dean Thompson.
Pick up a ticket to the release party today: https://store.history.idaho.gov/performance.aspx?pid=8269
Can't come to the event? No problem, order a copy of The Warden's Son here: https://store.history.idaho.gov/GiftShopItem.aspx?I=3394
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony discuss the eventful 1887 term of court in territorial Idaho with returning guest John Dinger, Ada County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney. The term included everything from citizenship and guardianship to murder.
In the last episode of the season, things get a little dark as Anthony and Skye review the stories of a young man whose desperate attempts for love led to multiple deaths #1511 Fred Seward (Murder in the 1st Degree) and a wife and mother whose interaction with the Idaho Department of Public Assistance ended in absolute tragedy #11732 Lula Ann Shreve (Manslaughter). Adult content/Trigger warning: discussions of suicide, gun violence, child abuse.
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony interview acclaimed historian Steven Branting, who shares his research on Margaret Hardy and his process uncovering stories following the many threads that make up our history.
Pick up a copy of Wicked Lewiston from our gift shop: https://store.history.idaho.gov/GiftShopItem.aspx?I=116
In this season’s couple’s episode, Skye and Anthony discuss a pair of immigrants (one Swedish, one Canadian) who may have set fire to their house in a town only recently traumatized by one of the worst fires in the nation’s history #2679 and #2680 Richard and Anna Woodfine (Arson).
In this episode, Skye and Anthony have some conversations about a woman who gets a bit caught up with a husband (and maybe a wife) #6483 Leora Eliason (Adultery) and a man whose sexuality landed him in jail #2911 E.E. Gillespie (Infamous Crime Against Nature). Adult content: explicit discussions of sexual acts.
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony celebrate National Volunteer Appreciation Month and sit down with the longest serving volunteer at the Old Idaho Penitentiary, Don Mummert. Don has spent over 20 years giving tours and working as a host at the J. C. Earl Weapon's exhibit, but his connections to the prison go all the way back to the 1940s!
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In this episode, Anthony takes a bit of a divergence from normal, covering Mark Maxwell and his prolific administrative career at the Idaho State Penitentiary and Skye sticks to the script, profiling a woman who didn’t quite know how to resist a man in uniform #11297 Janet Brezicky (Robbery).
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony talks to retired Deputy United States Marshal and Investigator Randy Martinez who shares stories about his career and compares it to the subject of this week's episode, Charles Phelps.
On this episode, Skye and Anthony examine national alcohol bans with Prohibition violator #4693 Helen Hall (Giving Intoxicating Liquor to a Minor) and a Deputy U.S. Marshall who defied laws he was supposed to enforce not once, but two times #266/#392 Charles M. Phelps (Manslaughter and Assault with a Deadly Weapon).
On this episode, Anthony and Skye dish the details of a police officer gone rogue whose crime is a real-life murder mystery #7070 Ralph Golden (Murder in the First Degree) and a woman who was charged with assault with nearly every weapon possible #9202/#9718 Edna Mae Hester (Assault with a Chemical and Voluntary Manslaughter).
In this week's Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye sit down with Hayley Noble to discuss #6153 Henry Wasielewski (Robbery) who enlisted in the Polish forces in Canada during WWII after a brief incarceration in Idaho.
Skye and Anthony have an interesting conversation about a woman who may have had an unfortunate sip of Coca-Cola #7769 Frances Webb (Forgery), and a serial offender who decided to take his fate into his own hands in a tragic way #4357 Vern McBride (Grand Larceny). Trigger Warning: Suicide.
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye interview Idaho State Historian HannaLore Hein who discusses Idaho's Response to the 1918 Influenza Pandemic and shares a message of hope and the importance of having historians at the table during trying times.
Anthony and Skye discuss a man who had title of “Whip Maker to Her Majesty” (Queen Victoria of England), but who was lucky to get away from his crime with his life #6 Frank Barnes (Murder in the Second Degree) and a young girl with hipster glasses whose train ride through Idaho ended in tragedy #3834 Margaret Brooks (Manslaughter).
In this first LIVE episode in collaboration with Storyfort, Anthony teams up with Historic Sites Administrator Amber Beierle to chat about a woman with skills writing bad checks and heartfelt lines #10595 Nancy Frances Christopher (Forgery and Escape) and master escape artist, brewer and yodeler #8204 Harley Carringer (Burglary in the Nighttime, Escape and Persistent Violator of the Law).
In this episode, Skye and Anthony chat about a young woman with an unfortunate man and health problem #5788 Helen Grace Andrews (Forgery) and a man who led an uprising that we didn’t get to talk about in the last season #8714 Paul Andrew Mahaffey (Robbery and Escape).
On this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony interview Judy Louise Buck, the granddaughter of #1537 Hattie McCormick, who sheds some light on Hattie's life outside of prison.
On the first episode of Season 5, Anthony and Skye are sure glad to be back, and talk about a man whose escape nearly resulted in someone else’s death #11628 Peter Martin (Robbery and Escape), and a woman whose desire got her in a bit of trouble—and whose family helped us fill out her story #1537 Hattie McCormick (Adultery).
We're working hard to bring a brand new season of prisoner stories to you in 2021! If you have a story, share it with us at behindgraywalls@gmail.com.
Looking for a great holiday gift? Come visit the Old Pen Gift Shop Souvenir Confinement or visit our online store: https://store.history.idaho.gov/giftshop.aspx
Why not give the gift of membership at the Idaho State Historical Society: https://store.history.idaho.gov/membership.aspx
In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with retired Correctional Officer Calvin May who started working for the Idaho Department of Corrections months before he was held hostage during a riot at the new prison in July 1980. Calvin discusses the causes of the uprising and how his faith helped guide him.
In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye discuss the chaotic 1970s and the final uprising at the Idaho State Penitentiary that resulted in damage still seen at the site to this day. Oral histories from Guards Charlie Griggs, Dan Mahoney, Milton Edgerton, Ralph Elston and Inmate Melvin Aldous help tell the story.
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In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with retired Correctional Officer and Idaho State Patrolman Curt Williams who worked at the Idaho State Penitentiary during the 1971 riot. Curt talks about being in the yard at the height of the riot, and guarding prisoners at the new institution.
In this episode of Disturbing Justice, things heat up as Anthony and Skye discuss how the weather helped spark one of the most violent prison riots at the Old Pen. Hear oral histories from prisoner Ron Macik who served a pivotal role in the uprising, and guard Bill Sanders who describes how the events unfolded and his desensitized reaction to a surprise rolled up in a gym mat.
In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye discuss the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s and the attempts made by Idaho prisoners to invoke change through a week-long strike after losing commissary privileges.
In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye launch into a discussion about the Space Race, and break down a hostage situation led by a prisoner with the unfortunate nickname of "Legal Cutie."
In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through the fascinating and turbulent history of 1950s Cold War America, and an uprising quickly quelled by Warden Clapp with the help of a few hundred dollars in tear gas grenades.
On today's Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye discusses a black widow who threw a few mini-riots of her own in the Women's Ward, #3691 Mary Crumroy (Murder in the 2nd Degree).
Anthony finishes telling the story of Warden John Snook, the most honest rancher, territorial marshal, legislator, and warden you’ve ever heard of—as he cleans up the Federal Penitentiary in Atlanta!
In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through a riot that resulted in an unfortunate nickname for Yard Captain Gilbert Talley.
ATTENTION! The exhibition - Disturbing Justice - will not open until late September. Please stay tuned as we announce the official opening later this season.
On our first Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony discusses Warden John Snook, the most honest rancher, territorial marshal, legislator, and warden you’ve ever heard of—and this is only the first part of his life! Tune in next Saturday for part 2.
In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through the first recorded attempt by ISP inmates to stage a riot against Warden John Snook, a man with a certain sense for such situations.
Season 4 is here! In this episode, Skye and Anthony interviewed the Old Pen Team who made both the new season of the podcast and a brand new exhibition - Disturbing Justice: An Illustrated Narrative of I.S.P. Uprisings - happen, including local artist Allen Gladfelter (https://www.allengladfelter.com/) who illustrated the riots for the new exhibition. Stay tuned to all the happenings at the Old Pen by visiting our website (https://history.idaho.gov/).
We're just about back with a brand new season! Can you guess the theme? Let us know in our Behind Gray Walls Podcast Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/behindgraywalls).
Skye and Anthony sit down with Ada County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney, Historian, and Author John Dinger to discuss the crime of Unlawful Cohabitation that targeted members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints during the late 1800s.
In the last episode of Season 3, Anthony and Skye talk about a man whose journey into hypnotism literally made him crazy #852 Henry Wilmbusse (Murder in the Second Degree) and a woman whose sister compared her to Jesus Christ (uhhh....okay....) #8760 Lena Pink Proud (Procurement for Abortion). Trigger Warnings include Gun violence, Suicide, and Abortion.
In this season’s couple’s episode, Anthony and Skye pick up where Anthony left off last week, finishing the story of Reuben Gardner’s accomplices and whole ham stealers #1186 Arthur Allen and #1187 Mary Allen (Burglary in the First Degree).
Skye and Anthony detail former Ohio prisoner turned Boise thief and dog abuser #1158 Reuben Gardner (Burglary) and bookkeeper juggling the accounts "to make ends meet," #7954 Norma Van Ostrand (Embezzlement).
Order your copy of Numbered: Inside Idaho's Prison for Women, 1887-1968: https://store.history.idaho.gov/GeneralAdmission.aspx
Anthony sits down with Old Pen Tour Guide Extraordinaire Jack Hourcade who tells the story of William Dreyer who just couldn't stop himself from forging checks.
Special thanks to Hidden Shelf Publishing for giving us permission to share quotes from Jerry Clapp's upcoming memoir! (https://hiddenshelfpublishinghouse.com/)
Skye and Anthony detail a persistent parolee violator with a surprise crime spree #9216 & #10587 Virginia Lorene Pugmire (Forgery) and a truly nasty inmate who perhaps deserved what he got #8215 Roberto Samaneigo (Voluntary Manslaughter). Trigger Warning includes gun violence and violent murder.
Anthony and Skye explore the details of a pegged-leg Scotchman #3455 Kenneth McLennan (Murder in the 2nd Degree) and a forger who just couldn’t stay away from troubled men #8446 June Lavon Skinner (Forgery). Trigger Warning includes gun violence.
In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with Old Pen tour guide Said Bowen who tells one of his favorite stories from the prison cemetery.
Skye and Anthony parse out the details of a Frenchwomen missing a few teeth #636 Phedora Crawford (Assault with a Deadly Weapon) and a trumpet player with a rhyming name #1934 Ben(jamin) Penn (Assault with a Deadly Weapon); picture in place of Crawford’s mugshot is a photo of “The Remington Ferry docked on the Salmon River below White Bird, about 20 miles from Grangeville.” Found in the J.A. Hanson Photographs collection courtesy of the Idaho State Historical Society.
In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony interview Curtis Nixon, the grandson of this weeks feature #3498 Nathaniel Gardner. Curtis compares his own personal experience serving time in Idaho's prison system with his grandfather, who served time at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary.
Anthony and Skye dig into the stories of notorious saddle stealer #3498 Nathaniel Gardner (Grand Larceny) and the ex-wife who just wanted her money back #8407 Josephine Fort (Voluntary Manslaughter).
In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with former member of the Idaho House of Representatives and author Max Black, who dedicated years researching and writing his book Diamondfield: Finding the Real Jack Davis. Max reveals how he uncovered the story and all of the coincidences that dotted the way.
Skye and Anthony examine a tragedy survivor who crimed while high #11630 Phyllis Mae Mink (No Account Check) and one of the most infamous Idaho miners of all time #672 and #820 John “Diamondfield Jack” Davis (Murder in the First degree)
Anthony and Skye talk about a bootlegger who just can’t abide by the rules of Prohibition #3126 Henry Poynter and a Madame who lost the Burley Mayoral race #11861 Sarah Sue Roach
In this week's Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with Hayley Noble to discuss Kenneth Hastings' role as a Staff Sergeant in the 7th Infantry Division of the United States Army during WWII, and what role it may have played in his post-war criminal career.
On the first episode of season 3 (woo!), Skye and Anthony discuss the teenager who did “something about the old man” #6325 Flossie Phillips and an inmate haunted by the ghost of his past #8330 Kenneth Raymond Hastings
We have something to mark on your open calendars! Season 3 starts TUESDAY March 24th! Let's get through our Covid-19 quarantine's together because as William Owen states - "Without friends, the world doesn't turn very fast for you."
Thank you all for listening to season 2! Mark your calendars, season 3 will drop on March 24, 2020! We will be doing our first LIVE recording during Treefort Music Festival at the Storyfort stage on March 26, 2020 at 9:00pm! Did we mention that it's FREE! Come say hello!
Oral history with former correctional officer Chet Stinnett, July 20, 1992 (Idaho State Archives).
In the Season 2 Finale, Anthony and Skye discuss the Triple Murderer who refused to hang #5264 Douglas Van Vlack (Murder in the 1st Degree), and the Youngest Horse-Thief #901 Ida Laherty (Grand Larceny). Trigger Warnings include murder, gun violence.
On the couples episode of the season, Anthony and Skye discuss some Pocatello partiers who got a bit out of control #3043 and #3044 J. M. and Rebecca Chacon (Murder in the 1st Degree and Murder in the 2nd Degree). Trigger Warnings include gun violence.
On today's Stool Pigeon Saturday, we bring our Education Specialist Suzanne Squires back to the studio to discuss our second youngest inmate, #1949 James Whitaker (Murder in the 2nd Degree), to round out our last episode with Bernard "Barney" O'Neil. Please, just help your mom with laundry when she asks you to. Trigger warnings include gun violence.
Skye and Anthony cover The Ultimate Shopper #7121 Barbara Bryson (Grand Larceny) and a man whose life may have been a comic book villain origin story #2064 Bernard "Barney" O'Neil (Making a False Report). Special thank you to Anthony's wife Rebecca and the Old Pen Staff for singing a 1910 political rally song!
Anthony interviews Matt Gambill who has worked as a correctional officer, a probation officer and an investigator with the special investigations unit at the Idaho Department of Corrections. Take a look at IDOC's Most Wanted (https://www.idoc.idaho.gov/content/probation_and_parole/fugitive_recovery/most_wanted)
Anthony and Skye dig into the stories of Canadian Drunk Burglar Turned Enthusiastic Traveling Evangelist #3018 Ray Watson (Robbery) and the first Woman to Spend Time in Prison for Cheating on Her Husband in Idaho #1482 Cora Stanfield (Adultery)
Skye and Anthony discuss Bad Mother and Forger who can't remember her own husband's name #4321 June Gordon and our very favorite Chapel Jesus Painter #7018 James "Blue Eagle" Erard
Anthony and Skye look into Repeat and Repeat and Repeat and Repeat Offender Numerously Numbered Barbara Ann Singleton and the Young-Hobo-Thief Herman Schwartz (#3170). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Violence and Suicide.
Anthony and fellow Old Pen Interpretive Specialist Jacey Brain discuss Thanksgiving at the Old Idaho Penitentiary, and the "Turkey Man" George Charles (#2253)who dedicated his life-sentence to raising turkeys. Special treats in this episode include an 1895 song called My Pearl is a Bowery Girl sung by Karen Kohtz, and a dramatized version of Kate Wiggin's - The Bird's Christmas Carol - performed by Old Pen Staff. Happy holidays everyone!
Skye and Anthony have a chat about the ISP's first African American female inmate #917 Susie Duffy and the Bean Stealer #8045 DeLane Dwight “Red” Anderson
In a heavy-hitting episode, Anthony and Skye retell the well-known stories of Dining-Hall Designer #427 George Hamilton and Glass-Eating Madwoman #422 Margaret Hardy. Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence Against Children.
Anthony and Skye look into "Newly Discovered" #9721 Ernestine Paul (Grand Larceny) and "Just a kid who thought he was a big timer" #6066 Daniel Williams (Murder in the 1st Degree). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Gun Violence, murder, and attempted suicide.
On this first episode, unintentionally musically themed, of the new season, Anthony and Skye discuss the musical, and criminal talents of ISP's proto-podcaster Forger (#6836) Harry Silvey, and the Crooning Larcener who only had the money for safe keeping (#8676) Mildred Knox
It's Halloween! Skye and Anthony discuss the spooky stories dealing with ghosts, entities, and possession experienced by visitors to the site. Do you think the Old Pen is haunted?
Thank you all for listening to season 1! We are diligently working on Season 2, but, WE NEED YOUR HELP with our first HALLOWEEN EPISODE. If you have a paranormal experience at the prison that you'd like to share, email us at behindgraywalls@gmail.com. We'll be back in November!
Skye and Anthony interview Jeremy Ward, a Correctional Officer at ISCC (Idaho State Correctional Center), a 2,170-bed men's prison south of Boise. It houses inmates in minimum-security, medium-security and close-custody. Jeremy's great grandfather worked as a guard at the Old Pen, and his grandfather grew up as a child on the prison grounds. He compares his work experience to that of his grandfather's, and provides insight into the life of a modern day Correctional Officer.
Skye and Anthony examine and break down the legends of the Old Idaho Penitentiary’s most famous murders, “Idaho’s Lady Bluebeard” #3052 Lyda Southard (Murder in the 2nd Degree) and “Idaho’s Jack the Ripper” #9509 Raymond Allen Snowden (Murder in the 1st Degree). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence.
This week, Skye and Anthony interview former Old Pen staff member Kelly Horsley who discusses a Guitar Pickin' Country Singer turned Armed Robber Rodger Hall #10932, who rediscovers the redemptive power of music while incarcerated at the Idaho State Penitentiary. Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence, and the discussion of serial killer Emmett Spencer.
Anthony and Skye look into Not-So-Sticky Fingered #6693 Robert Miller Earley (Burglary in the 1st Degree) and #1464 Alta McGee, who has had it, OFFICIALLY (Assault with a Deadly Weapon). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Gun Violence.
This week, Skye and Anthony interview local high school teacher and Old Pen tour guide James Klimek, who tells the heartwarming story of the famous feline "inmate," Dennis the Cat.
Anthony and Skye discuss Overall Really, Really Terrible Man #2626 Charles Sandusky (Assault with a Deadly Weapon with Intent to Commit Murder) and Broken-Arch Footed Bootlegger #3281 Hannah Folden (Persistent Prohibition Violator). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Abuse Against Spouse and Children, Gun Violence.
Skye and Anthony interview Hayley Noble, researcher at the Old Pen specializing in wartime history. In this two-part episode, Hayley discusses bad check writer Rufus Roy Liggins #8111, and the prison laundry system.
Skye and Anthony work together to tell the story of one of the prison’s most infamous couples, teenage bride #1096 Jennie Daley (Manslaughter) and Cornish lover #1091 William Henry Hicks “Fred” Bond (Murder in the 1st Degree). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence
Skye and Anthony interview Leah Pileggi, author of Prisoner 88, which tells the story of ten year old Jake Oliver Evans' stint as an inmate at the Idaho Territorial Penitentiary in 1885. The book was inspired by and is based on the story of the Old Pen's youngest inmate, James Oscar Baker #88 (Manslaughter).
Skye and Anthony profile Unintentional Serial Bigamist #6626 Daisy Elizabeth Himm Parsley (Bigamy) and Stone Carver Graffiti Artist #448 William H. Thomas (Manslaughter). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence.
Skye and Anthony sit down with Education Specialist Suzanne Squires to discuss the tragic life of Henry "Bob" Meeks #574 (Robbery), a member of Butch Cassidy's gang who escaped on the prized prison horse Selam.
Anthony and Skye discuss Traumatized #1665 Fred George, I mean, Fred Gruber (Murder in the First Degree), and the OG Female Inmate #169 Henebe (Manslaughter). Trigger Warning Content includes: Murder, Violence.
Skye and Anthony sit down with Historic Sites Administrator Amber Beierle who has worked at the Old Idaho Penitentiary for over a decade to discuss inmate Dan Williams also known as Andrew Scott (Burglary in the 2nd Degree).
Skye and Anthony talk about No Account Check Writer and Fraud #11230 Dorothy Ruth Cox (Issuing a Check Without Funds) and Sweet-Tooth Bandit #2479 Frank Jones (Forgery).
Anthony and Skye take a look at Dangerous, Safe-Crackin’, Alias-Ridden #1141 A.E. Love (Burglary in the 1st Degree) and the Most Frustrating Inmate Skye has ever researched #6036 Mary Holmes (Grand Larceny).
Skye and Anthony profile Women’s Ward influencer #565 Josie Kensler (Murder in the 2nd Degree) and Spiritualist #4156 Sam Stevens (Obtaining Money Under False Pretenses). Trigger Warning Content includes: Murder, Violence, Abortion
Listener discretion is advised. Anthony and Skye discuss Non-Saint #2338 Patrick Charles Murphy (Murder in the 1st Degree), whose autobiography gave the podcast its name, and Small Driver #8151 Grace Elizabeth Scott (Involuntary Manslaughter). This episode is dedicated to the memory of the victims, "Doc" Cain and John Hoak.
In this introductory episode, we provide the history of Idaho and the Idaho State Penitentiary. For more information or to connect with us, visit our website, history.idaho.gov, and like and subscribe to the Old Idaho Penitentiary on all social media platforms.
From inside the walls of the Old Idaho Penitentiary comes a podcast about Idaho history, true crime, and the stories of the inmates who lived here, written and produced by two employees of the Idaho State Historical Society, Anthony and Skye. Named after a biography written by inmate Patrick Charles Murphy, Behind Gray Walls is a podcast that will bring humanity to the stories you may have heard while visiting the Old Idaho Penitentiary, and some that you most certainly have not. Each episode, you will hear the stories of two inmates, one male and one female. In a conversation between the hosts, the inmates’ lives, crimes, and time behind bars will be discussed in a way that will bring a new dimension to the Old Idaho Penitentiary and the over 13,000 men and 217 women who lived here, even if it was for a short amount of time. For more information, visit history.idaho.gov
Behind Gray Walls is a podcast written, researched, and recorded inside the Old Idaho Penitentiary by Anthony and Skye, two employees of the Idaho State Historical Society. On season one of Behind Gray Walls, we will discuss the stories of twenty inmates—ten men and ten women: their lives, their crimes, and what happened to them during and after their incarcerations. For more information, visit history.idaho.gov.