The Future of Insurance: Recent Episodes

Bryan Falchuk

For over a century, the Insurance industry has stood by people at the worst moments of their lives, and kept the risk of these moments from standing in the way of people pursuing their dreams.

But the industry, and the demands of the people we serve, are changing. The Future of Insurance podcast brings you thoughts from leaders from across the industry to help inspire and inform how we can all help evolve into the future.

Brought to you by Bryan Falchuk, industry veteran and author of the best-selling series, "The Future of Insurance: From Disruption to Evolution"

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Season 9 of The Future of Insurance opens with a conversation about what happens when a $10 billion specialty insurer decides its own scale isn't a reason to move slowly. Bryan Falchuk talks with Simon Wilson, CEO of Markel Insurance, about his vision for the specialty market through 2030, and the deliberate choice to ask his teams to double their businesses in five years rather than chase another few points of incremental growth. The conversation moves into how that same mindset shows up in Markel's approach to AI: not bolting tools onto individual tasks, but rebuilding entire underwriting processes end to end — from a brand-new AI-native business built and launched in twelve weeks, to a legal document review process that now runs in minutes instead of weeks, to a grassroots fund that hands frontline employees real budget and real autonomy to solve the problems they see every day.

An organization doesn't need to be small or newly founded to reimagine itself. It needs leaders willing to ask a bigger question.

Guest Bio

Simon Wilson is CEO of Markel Insurance, appointed in March 2025 to lead Markel Group's three primary underwriting businesses — Markel Specialty, Markel International, and Markel Global Reinsurance. He was also named an Executive Vice President of Markel Group in February 2026, reporting to Group CEO Tom Gayner. Wilson joined Markel in 2010 to lead international business development and became the primary architect of Markel International's expansion beyond London, scaling operations across Europe, Canada, and Asia to $2.5 billion in annual gross written premium. He was appointed Managing Executive of Global Strategy for Markel in January 2020, then President of Markel International in 2021, a role in which the division grew gross written premiums by nearly 40% and net underwriting profit by more than 250%. Before joining Markel, he led the Lloyd's Asia platform in Singapore, and spent seven years at Lloyd's prior to that. He has more than 20 years of experience scaling large specialty insurance organizations.

Show Notes:

The Doubling Question:

  • Markel writes roughly $10 billion of the $700 billion global specialty insurance market — Wilson's read: that's room to grow, not a ceiling.
  • Instead of asking a business leader to grow 5-6%, Wilson asks how they'd double the business in five years, a question designed to surface bigger ideas rather than incremental optimization.
  • New categories are expanding the specialty pool itself: data center risk, satellite and space exposure, and marine war coverage in the Persian Gulf are all recent, fast-growing additions.
  • Guardrail on growth: "Top line is vanity, bottom line is sanity." The doubling mindset is paired with underwriting discipline, not a trade against it.

Specialty Insurance's Moment:

  • Wilson draws a parallel to media: just as audiences moved from four TV channels to infinite, personalized content, commercial insureds increasingly want coverage built around their specific risk rather than a generic product.
  • He's candid about a unique challenge: people don't want to buy insurance and don't want to use it, which puts pressure on specialty insurers to earn the sale.

Rebuilding AI End to End, Not Task by Task:

  • Markel Insurance is now organized into 14 business units (roughly 60 specialisms), each with a single accountable leader charged with reimagining their product and process around AI.
  • Wilson's caution against partial AI adoption: applying it to only one step of a process without rethinking the whole thing creates a bottleneck, "like putting a rocket jet on the back of a bicycle."
  • Cortex, a new AI-native business built end-to-end on Claude with a pricing engine called Hyperexponential, was built in 12 weeks and targets difficult-to-place US casualty risk.
  • Markel's Warranties & Indemnities team in London used the legal AI model Harvey to cut the time to reach a decision-ready view on an M&A data room from about a month to roughly seven minutes, with accuracy Wilson estimates at 97%, a five-point improvement in underwriting pick, and premium in that line more than doubling over the past year.

Guardrails, Culture, and Reverse Mentoring:

  • Every large language model Markel staff use runs inside Markel's own environment so company data doesn't leave the firewall — inside that boundary, teams have wide latitude to experiment.
  • Markel's Accelerator Fund put $1 million behind ten employee-pitched AI ideas, built out in six weeks; Wilson expects more than $10 million in returns from that investment in its first year.
  • Wilson credits reverse mentoring — biweekly sessions with a junior colleague — with reshaping how he personally thinks about AI and how the next generation approaches problem-solving.

AI as an Equalizer for Small, Specialized Businesses: Wilson argues AI has democratized technology for niche specialty lines that were previously too small to justify major core-system investment, moving technology decisions closer to the underwriters who understand the customer.

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Chris is a business-facing CIO and CTO level technology leader with over 10 years in London Market environments and 25+ years across insurance. He is typically brought in to reset technology functions, lead complex regulated transformation, and help businesses use data, automation and AI to improve control, decision making and pace of delivery. His experience spans carriers, syndicates, delegated operations, underwriting, claims and claims services, combining cloud and infrastructure oversight, architecture governance, modern engineering and operating model change.

Chris has held executive roles at Ki Insurance, Crawford & Company, Hiscox, QIC and Capco, where he has built and reshaped technology functions, modernised core systems, led carve outs and integrations, and improved resilience, insight and execution across multi-country operations. He is strongest in high pressure environments that require commercial grip, disciplined delivery and visible executive leadership, helping businesses apply AI with purpose to simplify operations, strengthen performance and move technology teams forward.

Episode Overview:

Data & Customer Experience: The ongoing need for better data is being addressed by AI, enabling more personalized customer experiences that cater to different needs and preferences.

AI's Practical Applications:

  • AI is being used for advanced data analysis, claim modeling, and improving underwriting accuracy.
  • It assists in processing information faster, enhancing efficiency in areas like claims.
  • AI can work with legacy systems, offering capabilities without immediate costly overhauls.

Human-AI Collaboration:

  • AI is seen as a tool to augment human capabilities, not replace them.
  • It aims to reduce mundane tasks, allowing humans to focus on complex issues, empathy, and innovation.
  • The "human in the loop" is still considered vital for oversight and decision-making.

Responsible Adoption: Implementing AI requires a strategic, responsible approach that considers the workforce, fosters a positive culture, and drives genuine operational improvements rather than just surface-level changes.

Democratizing Technology: AI tools have the potential to benefit businesses of all sizes, including niche and specialized insurers, by enabling custom application development and process optimization.

The Road Ahead: While challenges exist, the focus is on embracing AI's potential to create new opportunities, improve productivity, and ensure the industry remains relevant and innovative. The key is a proactive and adaptive mindset.

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Jason Cass is the co-owner of The Insurance Alliance, co-owner of Virtual Intelligence, founder of Agency Intelligence, and one of the most recognized voices in the independent insurance industry. A veteran agency owner, speaker, and podcaster, he built a profitable three-location agency that runs both virtually and digitally. He was named Illinois Young Agent of the Year in 2005, served as Chairman of the National Young Agents Council from 2011 to 2013, and authored Customer Service is Just Foreplay in 2013. His newest book, Future Ready: The Strategic Case for Structure, Routing, and Scale, co-authored with Mitch Gibson, lays out how independent agencies must evolve in the age of AI and automation. Jason hosts the Agent's Influence and Agency Intelligence podcast series and continues to be a leading advocate for independent agents across the country.

Episode Overview:

This episode of The Future of Insurance features Jason Cass, a prominent voice in the independent insurance agent channel, as he discusses the transformative impact of AI on the industry. Cass, who has been in the insurance industry since 2002 and owns multiple companies, shares his insights on how AI, particularly "agentic AI," is poised to reshape the role of agents and brokers.

Key Takeaways:

  • AI as a Disruptor and Enabler: Cass emphasizes that while AI won't eliminate agents, it will fundamentally change how they operate. He draws parallels to past technological shifts like the internet, noting that while agents feared obsolescence, the channel adapted and evolved. AI, however, presents a more significant shift.
  • Efficiency and Cost Reduction: AI's primary impact will be on operational efficiency, significantly reducing the cost of labor within agencies. Cass predicts that within two to three years, agencies adopting AI could see their people costs drop from 55-65% of revenue to 20-30%. This translates to substantial savings, enabling agencies to reinvest or grow.
  • The Evolving Workforce: The adoption of AI will lead to a shift in agency staffing. While immediate layoffs are unlikely, there will be a transition. Smart agencies will retrain existing staff, focusing on tasks that AI cannot perform. The "swing efficiency score" will be crucial in measuring this transition.
  • Shift in Licensed vs. Virtual Roles: Cass forecasts a significant change in the makeup of agency staff. Agentic bots, costing around $3,000-$5,000 annually, will replace some licensed roles that currently command salaries of $80,000+. Agencies will likely hire more virtual employees at lower costs to manage these bots, leading to a reduction in the number of highly paid, licensed individuals within an agency.
  • Regulatory and Licensing Considerations: The question of whether AI can be licensed as an agent is a complex one. Cass believes that currently, AI cannot be licensed, and there are significant regulatory hurdles to overcome. He speculates that this may evolve in the future but emphasizes the current need for licensed human oversight.
  • Opportunities Created by AI: Beyond cost savings, AI opens up new avenues for growth. Cass highlights the potential for AI to help agents better understand risk quality, align clients with the right markets, and navigate the complexities of policy forms and carrier appetites. The emergence of AI itself is also creating a need for new insurance coverages, similar to the rise of cyber insurance.
  • The Importance of Adoption and Education: Cass stresses that agents who embrace AI will thrive, while those who resist will be left behind. He advocates for education and training within agencies to help staff become comfortable with AI tools like Claude. The "Artificial Intelligence Utilization Score" (AIU) will become a key metric for success.
  • The Role of Carriers and Technology Providers: Carriers need to adapt by developing their own AI solutions and partnering with agents to facilitate AI adoption. Technology providers must focus on creating practical, integrated solutions that solve real agency problems, such as routing engines that effectively manage the workflow between humans and AI.
  • Beyond Fear: Embracing the Future: Cass acknowledges the fear surrounding AI but encourages a proactive approach. He believes that embracing AI will lead to greater job satisfaction, improved client service, and a more robust and attractive insurance industry overall. The key is to focus on the opportunities and develop a culture of adaptation.

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Celebrating her 26th year in the insurance industry, Meg McKeen, CIC, founded Adjunct Advisors LLC in 2018 with the essential belief that we can do more, and better, to support the professionals who choose a career here. Throughout her own career, working as an underwriter, agent, and leader within the industry, Meg has held a seat at the table during thousands of insurance negotiations. As an independent consultant, Meg now holds space at the crossroads of personal and professional development, for individuals and organizations as they grow their sales and leadership acumen through private coaching, consulting engagements, and the podcast she hosts, Bound & Determined℠. Known for her relatability and storytelling, Meg is a sought after speaker for insurance related conferences and events, as well as a regular columnist for Rough Notes magazine, and Meg's contributions to the insurance industry have been recognized with her inclusion in Insurance Business America's Hot 100 and Elite Women for 2021.

A graduate of Illinois Wesleyan University, Meg is currently a digital nomad in the midst of a thoughtful travel adventure. When she's not supporting insurance professionals, you can find Meg putting the "practice" into yoga practice, searching for the best vegan bakery, or cheering on her favorite independent musicians. Learn more at www.adjunctadvisors.com.

Episode Overview:

  • Meg's Industry Journey: From 26 years in insurance, including a pivotal moment of burnout and transition, to founding Bound & Determined.
  • The "Bound & Determined" Podcast: Its genesis, purpose to support women in insurance by discussing life beyond the industry, and its evolution into live events and retreats.
  • Culture and Connection: The significance of authentic connection and community in professional and personal life, contrasting with corporate environments that can stifle open dialogue.
  • Personal Evolution and Success: How personal growth and changing definitions of success shape our professional paths and the importance of honoring that evolution.
  • Navigating Change: Strategies for individuals seeking more intentionality and freedom in their careers, even when bound by traditional structures.
  • The Human Element in Business: Emphasizing that despite technological advancements like AI, human connection and emotional well-being are paramount for organizational success.
  • The Nomad Lifestyle: Meg's experience with a mobile lifestyle and how it has unlocked business opportunities and facilitated personal experiences.
  • Advice for Creating Change: Practical steps for embracing curiosity, setting boundaries, seeking supportive communities, and prioritizing action over perfection when launching new ventures.

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Scott A. White was appointed Commissioner of the Virginia State Corporation Commission's Bureau of Insurance in 2018. He was elected NAIC President in December 2025.

White joined the Bureau as a research analyst in 1998. From 1999 until 2011, he worked as an attorney advising the Bureau on all major insurance regulatory and compliance matters. In 2011 he became head of the Commission's financial services legal division, expanding his practice areas to include securities and banking.

At the NAIC, White has chaired the Financial Condition (E) Committee, the Long-Term Care Insurance (EX) Task Force, and the Southeast Zone. He is a member of the International Association of Insurance Supervisors (IAIS) Executive Committee, Macroprudential Committee, and Insurance Capital Standard Task Force.

White earned a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Virginia and a law degree from the University of Missouri. He and his wife, Jodi, have two grown daughters.

Episode Overview:

Key Issues in Virginia:

  • Affordability and Availability: While Virginia generally has good market availability, the state is addressing rising premiums and legislative interest in healthcare and property insurance.
  • Natural Catastrophes: The discussion touches on the impact of weather-related events, with a focus on windstorms, hurricanes, and the often-overlooked risk of flooding.
  • Risk Mitigation Programs: Virginia is exploring programs to incentivize hardening homes against perils like severe convective storms, including hail and wind.
  • Litigation and Tort Reform: The conversation addresses the impact of litigation activity on insurance rates and the legislative considerations surrounding tort reform.

The National Conversation on AI:

  • Industry Adoption: Commissioner White observes that the insurance industry often lags in adopting new technologies like AI, partly due to its inherent risk aversion and the paramount importance of trust.
  • Consumer Concerns: A significant concern is the potential for AI to be perceived as making critical decisions about healthcare authorization, leading to a growing distrust among consumers.
  • NAIC's Approach: The NAIC has adopted an iterative approach, starting with principles and moving to guidance through an AI bulletin. Their focus is on compliance, transparency, accountability, and safe systems.
  • AI Systems Evaluation Tool: The NAIC is piloting a tool to help state insurance departments assess how companies are using AI, focusing on governance and risk management. This aims to identify potential gaps in current laws.
  • Bias in AI: The discussion highlights the concerns around algorithmic bias and proxy discrimination, while also acknowledging that bias exists in current, non-AI-driven processes. The importance of data protection and operational resiliency against cyber threats is also emphasized.

The Future of Market Regulation:

  • Modernization Efforts: The NAIC is undertaking an ambitious "Future of Market Regulation" initiative to modernize its approach, recognizing that market regulation has not progressed as rapidly as financial solvency regulation.
  • Real-Time Surveillance: The goal is to move towards more real-time surveillance of companies, leveraging enhanced data and analysis, rather than relying solely on lengthy, complaint-driven examinations.
  • Training and Resources: There is a recognized need for regulators to develop new skills and obtain adequate training to effectively oversee AI and other emerging technologies.

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Craig Weber is a thought leader and management consultant with extensive insurance specialization, having worked for a major carrier and then leading an analyst firm. At Cognizant, he leads a team responsible for the firm's insurance strategy and bringing its portfolio of insurance offerings to the market.

Episode Overview:

AI is at a critical inflection point, poised to profoundly transform the insurance industry. While carriers are at varying stages of adoption, a key challenge is scaling AI from pilots to production.

Key Areas of Focus:

  • Data Utilization: AI needs proprietary data to unlock its full potential, necessitating robust data protection strategies.
  • Distribution Enhancement: AI can automate agent administrative tasks, boosting productivity and addressing talent shortages, rather than solely displacing agents.
  • Customer Experience: AI can streamline services, but must be balanced with human empathy, especially for complex issues. Customer comfort with AI is growing, influenced by their insurance knowledge.
  • Future Strategy: A proactive "AI builder strategy" is crucial. Insurers should focus on developing skills and adapting to the rapid, self-reinforcing evolution of AI.

AI represents a fundamental shift, not just an efficiency play. Proactive investment and adaptation are essential to navigate this "innovation arms race" and remake the insurance landscape.

The conversation concluded by stressing the importance of a collaborative, monitored approach to AI implementation, ensuring it serves to enhance both efficiency and the human element in the insurance claims process.

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance book series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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Joe Zuk is an Operating Partner for Altamont Capital Partners, bringing a dedicated focus to corporate and business development across existing ACP portfolio companies within the Property & Casualty insurance vertical. Most recently, Joe served as Managing Director of Corporate Development & Strategy for Orchid Underwriters, a private equity-backed catastrophic personal and commercial lines property managing general underwriter. During his tenure he successfully executed upon the stated strategy for the firm including formation and launch of a proprietary segregated cell captive reinsurance facility, sourcing additional carrier partners, development of operational strategy, recruitment of human capital, and sourcing of M&A opportunities.

Prior to Orchid, Joe served as Board Manager at Atlas General Holdings. At Atlas, he led the organic development and growth of Atlas's commercial property & casualty divisions as well as directing its corporate development initiatives. Prior to Atlas, Joe was an accomplished reinsurance broker and underwriter with over a decade of experience in treaty and facultative property and casualty reinsurance. During that time, he developed an extensive network of relationships across the industry landscape in both domestic and international markets.

Joe is a graduate of New York University, earning a Bachelor of Arts with concentrations in finance, history and cinema. Joe enjoys dedicating his time to mentoring and encouraging young professionals to enter and advance within the broader insurance industry.

Episode Overview:

  • Talent Shortage: The industry faces an aging workforce and difficulty attracting new talent, impacting core functions like claims and underwriting. Solutions involve structured knowledge transfer and mentorship.
  • AI Transformation: AI is not replacing jobs but changing them. It offers tools to enhance efficiency, improve risk assessment, and personalize customer interactions.
  • Evolving Distribution: AI may automate simpler insurance sales, shifting the focus for human agents towards complex advisory roles.
  • Navigating Risks: While AI offers significant benefits, challenges like inaccuracies and potential liability must be managed.

The insurance sector is adapting, emphasizing the need for continuous learning and strategic adoption of new technologies.

The conversation concluded by stressing the importance of a collaborative, monitored approach to AI implementation, ensuring it serves to enhance both efficiency and the human element in the insurance claims process.

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance book series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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How is AI shaping the future of claims, and even the present of it?

Join Bryan Falchuk as he hosts a panel featuring audience questions on the dynamics and technology shaping where insurance is headed.

The panel includes:

  • Sadiq Isu, Founder & CEO, All Talentz LLC
  • Kevin Meyer, Managing Director, PropertyExpert
  • Shane Emmons, Founder & CEO, Swept AI

This discussion explores the evolving landscape of insurance claims, focusing on the integration of Artificial Intelligence (AI) with human expertise. The conversation highlights the critical need for a balanced approach, the inherent challenges of AI, and the strategic considerations for its implementation.

This discussion was recorded live on March 24th at the 2026 PLRB Claims Conference at the Gaylord National Harbor Hotel in Washington DC, and was held right after the panelists shared this views on how things like AI are changing the ways claims can be handled – not just in the future, but right now.

Episode Overview:

  • The AI-Human Dichotomy:

    • The presentations emphasized a common thread: the necessity of overseeing both AI and human actions within the claims process.
    • The concept of "eyes on you" applies to both AI and human agents, ensuring accountability and adherence to procedures.
    • AI as a Tool – Strengths and Weaknesses:

    • AI can be applied across various settings and languages to handle claims, but requires careful management.

    • The quality of data fed into AI directly dictates the quality of its output, mirroring human learning.
    • Concerns around "drift" (AI deviating from its intended path) and "heresy" (AI holding onto incorrect information) were raised.
    • Empowering Human Adjusters:

    • A significant focus was on how AI can empower humans, rather than replace them, by handling routine tasks.

    • This allows experienced professionals to concentrate on complex cases and the empathetic aspects of claims handling.
    • Agentic AI: Potential and Peril:

    • Agentic AI, capable of independent action, is still viewed with caution, especially in emotionally charged claims scenarios.

    • The emotional impact of claims on policyholders necessitates human interaction and empathy, areas where current AI may fall short.
    • While agentic AI is being deployed for specific tasks (e.g., document analysis, payment processing), its use in direct customer interaction is debated.
    • Mitigating Risks and Ensuring Compliance:

    • The importance of internal and external compliance remains paramount, with AI needing robust monitoring.

    • The potential for class-action lawsuits stemming from AI-driven coverage decisions highlights the need for defensible AI models and careful prompt engineering.
    • Addressing Industry Challenges:

    • The discussion touched on staffing shortages and how AI can help, but also warned against creating future problems by reducing entry-level training opportunities.

    • The need to train experts effectively, without relying solely on years of less engaging tasks, was emphasized.

Emerging Trends and Observations:

  • Active Pilots: Agentic AI is being piloted in areas like commercial insurance for coverage determinations and in managing long-running claims by summarizing information.
  • Policyholder Trust: In some instances, policyholders are interacting with agentic AI systems from restoration companies, viewing them as more trustworthy than traditional insurance processes.
  • The "Gap" in Expertise: The industry faces a challenge in developing skilled professionals, and AI's role in training needs careful consideration to avoid widening this gap.
  • Legal Scrutiny: The legal implications of AI in decision-making are significant, with a need to understand model underpinnings and ensure unbiased outcomes.

The conversation concluded by stressing the importance of a collaborative, monitored approach to AI implementation, ensuring it serves to enhance both efficiency and the human element in the insurance claims process.

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance book series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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Kyle Nakatsuji is the Founder and CEO of Dearborn Labs and Clearcover. He joined the show during Season 1 to talk about Clearcover (which is the subject of one of the case studies in The Future of Insurance – Volume II. The Startups). He rejoins the show to share about their latest venture, Dearborn Labs. Here is the detail on the launch of Dearborn Labs from their press release:

Clearcover, Inc. Launches Dearborn Labs to Deploy Production AI Inside Carriers and MGAs

Backed by nearly a decade of proven results, the firm's AI concierge model designs, builds and deploys customized AI infrastructure into insurers' existing operations to eliminate fragmented pilots

CHICAGO, March 5, 2026 — Clearcover, an AI-native auto insurance carrier, today announces the launch of Dearborn Labs, a forward-deployed AI practice that builds and operates AI systems inside property and casualty insurance carriers and MGAs.

"Most carriers have already invested in AI. The problem isn't the tools," said Dearborn Labs Founder Kyle Nakatsuji. "It's that the landscape changes faster than any single solution can keep up with, and nobody's connecting the data and context across operations to make those tools compound. That's not a software problem. It's an operating problem."

Unlike traditional SaaS, Dearborn Labs adds an operational layer to customize AI within a company's unique model, driving measurable business outcomes.

"We don't hand over a strategy deck. We deploy into your operation and ship production systems in weeks," said Nakatsuji, adding that modern insurers need to turn isolated AI capabilities into a growth engine. "Your claims data should make your underwriting smarter. Your underwriting context should shape your distribution. We build the infrastructure that makes that happen."

While the insurance industry has invested heavily in AI, most carriers and MGAs have not yet seen system-level returns.

Nakatsuji's team at Clearcover integrated AI into nearly every core function of daily production across multiple states and significantly improved results: Over 90% of claims intake runs through AI agents, 93% of policies are bound digitally and claims handling operates at three times the efficiency of traditional carriers.

Episode Overview:

  • Clearcover's Tech Foundation: Built on a decade of tech innovation for better customer experiences and efficiency in insurance.
  • Dearborn Labs' Mission: A new venture focused on helping insurers adopt AI, offering a hybrid service and technology approach.
  • Urgency of AI Adoption: The current AI advancements necessitate immediate action; waiting means falling behind.
  • Beyond Off-the-Shelf Solutions: Dearborn Labs focuses on tailored AI strategies and team deployment, not just software sales.
  • The Critical Data Layer: Effective AI requires a unified data foundation to provide context across all business functions.
  • Incremental Steps, Exponential Gains: While the industry is incremental, AI allows for rapid progress and significant results.
  • AI as "Employees": AI agents can act as specialized "staff," drastically changing operational efficiency and economics.
  • Future Uncertainty, Present Action: The pace of AI change is unprecedented, making immediate engagement crucial for future relevance.

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance book series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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Dr. Megan Linkin is the Head of Parametric Nat Cat Americas for Swiss Re Corporate Solutions, based in New York City.

She has extensive expertise in parametric and structured insurance and reinsurance solutions. Megan's primary responsibility is the origination, development, structuring and underwriting of parametric insurance solutions that protect corporates and governments against losses incurred due to natural catastrophes or other disruptive events. Before joining CorSo in 2019, Megan worked for Swiss Re's Public Sector Solutions team, focusing on the development of insurance products to address the unique financial needs of public sector entities, from federal governments to municipal service providers. Prior to re-joining Swiss Re in 2012, she worked as a weather derivative underwriter and catastrophe bond analyst at Allianz Risk Transfer, structuring weather solutions for the energy, agricultural and tourism industries. Between 2008 and 2011, she was an atmospheric perils specialist for the Swiss Re Cat Perils team; her responsibilities included assessing the insurance risk posed by hurricanes, tornadoes, hail and winter storms globally and developing pricing tools and techniques for underwriters, actuaries and insurance-linked security traders.

Megan has designed several award-winning parametric insurance solutions, such as Swiss Re STORM, awarded the Business Insurance Insurtech Initiative of the Year in 2020, and Swiss Re HAIL, awarded the Business Insurance Innovation Award in 2021, and Inside P&C's Underwriting Initiative of the Year in 2022. She is one of Swiss Re's experts on climate change science, natural catastrophes and the innovative insurance solutions that exist to address them. Megan has given invited presentations to the state of New Jersey, the New York Academy of Science, Rutgers University, and the University of Maryland. Her manuscripts have been published in Climatic Change, the Journal of Climate and Weatherwise magazine; she has also authored publications that assess the present-day financial impacts of the 1821 Norfolk-Long Island hurricane and Hurricane Andrew. Megan was profiled by the New York Times in 2010 and NJ Biz in 2013, and has been interviewed by NBC News, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and Huffington Post. She has testified before the United States Senate regarding the impacts of climate change on the insurance industry, and has appeared on The Weather Channel. Megan was named one of Reactions Rising Stars of the insurance industry in 2014.

Megan received her Ph.D. and Masters of Science in atmospheric and oceanic science from the University of Maryland and graduated magna cum laude from Rutgers University with a Bachelor of Science in meteorology and a minor in mathematics. She received her Certified Consulting Meteorologist Seal from the American Meteorological Society in February 2013. She is an active member of the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union and the New Jersey Climate Adaptation Alliance.

Episode Overview:

Introduction to Parametric Insurance

Parametric insurance is a type of index-based insurance where payouts are determined by the intensity of an event rather than the actual incurred loss. This pre-agreed value policy uses specific event metrics to trigger claims.

Background and Evolution

The concept of parametric insurance has roots in weather derivatives from the late 1990s. Initially focused on natural catastrophe risks like hurricanes, tornadoes, and hail, it has evolved significantly. Swiss Re, with its deep involvement in this space for over 15 years, has seen a shift towards insurance contracts rather than purely derivatives.

Parametric Insurance for Governments and Corporations

Parametric insurance has resonated with government buyers due to their role as first responders and insurers of last resort after natural disasters. It provides a mechanism to cover immediate costs like infrastructure repair and emergency responder salaries, which traditional policies often don't address.

In the late 2010s, after significant hurricane activity, there was a surge in interest from the corporate sector, particularly in hospitality and heavy industry, highlighting the value of parametric solutions for business continuity.

How Parametric Insurance Works as an Insurance Policy

While distinct from traditional insurance, parametric policies function as insurance contracts. They require a proof of loss and include a broad definition of "ultimate net loss" to encompass direct or indirect, physical or financial losses traceable to the event. Clients attest that their incurred losses exceed the parametric payout, ensuring there's no windfall. The triggers are set to cover catastrophic and disruptive events, aligning with the core purpose of natural catastrophe insurance.

Addressing Skepticism

Initial skepticism often labels parametric insurance as gambling. However, modern parametric policies, developed with dedicated underwriters and product designers, work closely with clients to understand their historical losses and pain points. This ensures that triggers are set at intensities that allow clients to recover funds for actual losses, including business interruption and pre-event expenditures made for resilience.

Expanding Perils and Future Growth

While hurricanes and earthquakes are the most recognized perils for parametric insurance, the market is expanding:

  • Severe Convective Storms: Parametric coverage is now available for hail and tornadoes, supported by data providers offering hail footprints and tornado track information.
  • Flood: Addressing flood risk parametrically has been a challenge due to its various causes (nor'easters, hurricanes, rainfall, river flooding). However, advancements in satellite technology and data analytics are enabling parametric flood solutions.
  • Emerging Areas: Concepts are being explored for other event types, potentially leveraging data on flight traffic, restaurant foot traffic, and hotel bookings to assess disruption.

Key Requirements for Parametric Insurability

For an event to be insurable on a parametric basis, it must meet three key criteria:

  1. Randomness: The event must be a random, external shock.
  2. Independent Data Provider: A reliable, independent entity must provide consistent data on event intensity or monitoring.
  3. Modelability: The probability of a given event intensity must be determinable, either through stochastic catastrophe models or long historical time series.

Future Outlook and Holistic Risk Management

Parametric insurance is seen as a vital tool for managing increasingly complex and interconnected global risks. It can complement traditional insurance to provide solutions for supply chain disruptions and contingent business interruption. The industry is encouraged to embrace innovation and develop new solutions to address evolving exposures. Parametric insurance is not an "either/or" solution but a valuable component of a holistic risk management strategy, enhancing client resilience when paired with traditional coverage.

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On the back of getting some less-than-great sales outreach on LinkedIn, I thought it would be a great moment to share some more sales advice for startup founders and service or solution providers out there looking to sell into or partner with insurers.

This is a follow up the episode I did in Season 7 on the subject, which you can check out at https://future-of-insurance.com/podcast/vendoradvice/.

I'll also be taking a few weeks off from posting new episodes of the show, which makes a great chance for you to catch up on the back catalogue of episodes from all 7.5 seasons (there are 190 episodes of this show so far!). Also, if you're interested in claims or the complexities of coverage discussed in a really entertaining and educational format, check out What's The Scenario from PLRB, available on PLRB's website (membership required), or free for anyone on all the top podcasting platforms and in video format on YouTube.

Episode Overview:

Key Principles:

  • Industry Foundation: Insurance is a caring, people-driven industry. Genuine intent to help is crucial.
  • Clarity Over Buzzwords: Avoid vague language and jargon ("next generation solutions," "AI"). Be specific about the problem you solve and your solution.
  • Respect Time: Generic, time-wasting outreach is detrimental. Be upfront, honest, and clear.
  • Authenticity Wins: Genuine, dedicated individuals who focus on solving real problems build impactful businesses.
  • Relationship Driven: Success in insurance relies on trust and authentic connections.

Actionable Advice for Sellers:

  • Clearly state the problem you solve and your solution.
  • Be direct and avoid unnecessary buzzwords.
  • Communicate genuinely and respectfully.
  • Understand your audience's needs.

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Wayne Slavin is the CEO and Co-Founder of Sure, a VC backed insurtech startup. Prior to Sure he was the VP of Product Management at Tapingo, TechCrunch's Most Innovative Company of 2013. His other past projects and companies include NetStumbler, a consumer app with more than 1.5 billion downloads, the Barnes & Noble Nook eBook reader, Buddy Media (now part of salesforce), and BackupRight the enterprise SaaS company he sold in 2012. He has a Masters Degree from Columbia University.

You can see Wayne from his appearance on the show in April of 2024 in the final episode of Season 5.

Episode Overview:

  • SURE's Role: SURE provides the technology infrastructure and services that enable large brands, including Fortune 500 companies and major auto manufacturers, to launch and manage their own digital insurance businesses. This allows these brands to control the customer experience and build long-term, durable insurance operations.
  • Embedded Insurance: The trend of "embedded insurance" is driven by the fact that insurance is often a necessary component of a core product (like cars or homes) or can be a friction point in a sale. Companies are recognizing the value of offering insurance directly to their customers to enhance the overall experience and capture economic benefits.
  • The "One-Stop-Shop" Vision: Many large consumer brands aim to be a comprehensive provider for their customers, whether it's for car ownership, homeownership, or financial well-being. Insurance is a natural extension of this strategy, allowing them to create a complete ecosystem around their core offerings.
  • Structural Advantage: Brands that already have a customer base have a significant advantage. Acquiring these customers for insurance purposes costs them next to nothing, giving them better economics than external insurance providers.
  • Evolution of SURE: Over the past year, SURE has focused on helping its partners achieve "permanence" in their insurance offerings. This means enabling them to build stable, long-term insurance programs that are not subject to the fluctuating appetites or market conditions of traditional insurers.
  • Challenges for Traditional Insurers: The existing insurance industry has had ample opportunity to improve its technology and customer experience but has largely failed to do so. This has created an opening for new models.
  • The "Build vs. Buy" Dilemma: While some companies attempt to build their own insurance carriers, this is capital-intensive and distracts from their core business. Partnering with a third-party carrier often results in a loss of control over customer experience and technology, leading to suboptimal outcomes.
  • SURE's Sweet Spot: SURE offers a middle ground, enabling brands to have their own differentiated insurance programs with control and economic upside without the need to become full-fledged insurers or rely on inadequate partnerships with traditional carriers.
  • Speed to Market: SURE can bring partners to market with approved insurance products in as little as 90 days, or even faster for simpler offerings, demonstrating a significant advantage over the lengthy internal development times typical for such initiatives.
  • Industry Inertia: The insurance industry often suffers from a lack of incentive for long-term growth and innovation. Decisions are often based on avoiding blame (omission vs. commission) rather than proactively pursuing new opportunities. This makes it difficult for established players to adapt to new models.
  • The Future of Insurance Distribution: The future will likely involve insurance being more deeply integrated into the customer journey, moving away from discrete purchases and towards seamless, embedded solutions. The current models of comparison engines and traditional carrier partnerships are becoming less relevant.
  • Investor Appetite: There is a significant appetite from investors like private equity and sovereign wealth funds for insurance-like returns, especially for well-defined, scalable programs that leverage existing customer bases.

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Juan García is one of the Co-founders of Tuio, a next-generation insurer built from the ground up with artificial intelligence at its core. Tuio's ecosystem of AI agents — including Leia, Watson, Lisbeth, Sonia, and George — now automate over 80% of customer interactions and 85% of simple claims, showing how AI can rebuild trust in financial services through transparency and efficiency.

Juan oversees Tuio's brand, growth, and product strategy, blending design thinking with operational rigor to create a customer experience that feels more like modern software than traditional insurance. Before founding Tuio, he spent 20 years helping companies scale at the intersection of technology and finance — including leadership roles at Monitor Deloitte and global experience in affinity insurance distribution (e.g., Orange Seguros).

A telecommunications engineer and La Caixa Fellow, Juan holds an MBA from London Business School and CEIBS.

Juan García is co-founder and Co-CEO of Tuio, Spain's 100% digital, AI-native insurer creating next-generation insurance solutions for a customer-centric, tech-driven world. Under his leadership, Tuio has rapidly scaled from a garage startup into a multi-million euro fintech-insurtech raising major backing and redefining what "insurance" means for the digital generation.

Juan García brings a unique blend of telecommunications engineering, strategic consulting and startup leadership to his role at Tuio. With a passion for transforming legacy industries through technology, he embarked on the mission of reinventing insurance in an age of artificial intelligence, mobile-first expectations and subscription business models.

In early 2021, alongside fellow co-founders José María Lucas and Asís Pardo, Juan helped launch Tuio from its earliest phase — from conception in a garage to its market launch just months later. The vision: build an insurer designed for the digital era, not a legacy insurer digitized.

Tuio's model under Juan's leadership is built on three pillars: 1) products designed for digital-native customers (clear policies, subscription-style terms, self-service); 2) technology and automation as core operations, where AI handles everything from underwriting to chats and claims; and 3) a socially-aware business model, with transparency, accessible language and customer alignment built into the value proposition.

Under Juan's aegis, Tuio closed a significant €15 million financing round (in 2024) led by major investors including BlackRock and MassMutual Ventures, signaling strong investor confidence in the business model. He has repeatedly spoken about achieving unit-economics advantaged positions: Tuio is approaching profitability by keeping customer acquisition costs low and lifetime-value comparably high.

Episode Overview:

Company Snapshot:

  • Founded mid-2020, launched November 2021.
  • Serves ~100,000 customers with ~€15 million in premiums.
  • Focuses on personal lines: household, term life, auto, pet, health, travel.
  • Operates as the MGA for all products.

Tuio's InsurTech Differentiator:

  • Beyond Process Fixes: Moves beyond early InsurTech's focus on efficiency to fundamentally re-engineering insurance.
  • Targeting Underserved Segment (25-55): Addresses this demographic's demand for digital-first, self-service experiences.
  • Sustainable Growth Model: Rejects "grow at all costs"; prioritizes healthy margins and controlled loss ratios over rapid, unprofitable expansion.
  • Challenging Traditional Playbooks: Proves that a focus on profitability and underwriting is key, even for newer entrants.

Key Innovations & Strategies:

  • Proprietary Customer DNA:

    • Collects 100+ non-traditional data points continuously.
    • Example 1 (Device Type): iPhone/MacBook users have ~10% higher claims for stolen goods; this insight influences pricing.
    • Example 2 (Onboarding Behavior): Customers who scrutinize specific coverages during sign-up are flagged for closer review during claims, detecting potential fraud.
    • AI-Powered Claims Management ("Watson"):

    • Handles non-deterministic claims processes effectively.

    • Analyzes customer DNA, policy data, claim history, and more.
    • Performs severity, urgency, and duplication analysis.
    • Assigns confidence levels and escalates high-risk decisions to human adjusters.
    • Transforms claims from a cost center to a "data flywheel."
    • Direct-to-Consumer Model:

    • Operates largely as a direct writer (~60% in the US, ~98% in Spain for new sales).

    • Believes in the value of direct customer relationships for data insights.
    • Acknowledges the role of mediation but focuses on a segment that appreciates their model.
    • Direct model exposes unique challenges like immediate claim filing post-policy purchase, which their data analysis helps mitigate.

Claims Processing Excellence:

  • Superior Loss Ratios: Household insurance loss ratio is 55% (vs. 15-115% market average in Spain), aiming for 19% by year-end.
  • Human-Centric Automation: Automation supports, but does not replace, human adjusters for critical decisions.
  • Next Best Action System: Guides adjusters through complex claims processes.
  • Claims as a Data Source: Leverages claims data to refine underwriting and fraud detection.
  • Focus on Non-Deterministic Nature: Recognizes that claims are not linear and requires flexible AI, not rigid rule-based systems.

Future Vision:

  • Southern European Champion: Expanding from Spain into Portugal, France, Italy, and Greece.
  • Leveraging Tech Stack: Utilizing their efficient operational model to enter and scale in less competitive markets.
  • Proving Profitability: Demonstrating that Southern European markets can be highly profitable for InsurTech

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Neil Harrison joined Willis in April 2024. He is Global Head of Claims, and a member of the company's Global Executive Team. Neil is based in New York. At Willis, Neil oversees all aspects of the company's claims propositions, services and solutions and participates in client, carrier management and innovation activities. Neil leads a group of 1400 claims professionals across all geographies, all lines of business and all client segments. The breadth and depth of Neil's role illustrate the importance Willis places on claims within the company's client and market facing propositions.

Prior to joining Willis, Neil spent over 30 years at Aon and predecessor companies, serving in a series of global leadership roles across many aspects of the business. Neil was Global Chief Claims Officer at Aon from 2018 until joining Willis in 2024. His previous Aon roles included senior roles in client leadership, broking, risk consulting and risk technology activities.

Neil started his career in London, and has at various times been based in Rotterdam, Chicago and New York. He has worked with clients and insurers around the world and has spoken at numerous industry events and conferences in, amongst other locations, US, UK, Australia, Canada, China, Colombia, Guatemala, India, Japan, Panama, Belgium, France, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Singapore, South Korea, Sweden, Hong Kong, Philippines, Italy, Turkey, Argentina, Brazil and South Africa.

Episode Overview:

  • Claims as a Client-Facing Function: Willis views claims not as an operational back-office function, but as a crucial client-facing element that drives market propositions. This client-centric approach emphasizes achieving positive client outcomes.
  • The Broker's Role in Placement: The claims organization plays a vital role in placement strategy by assessing carrier performance and ensuring the efficacy of policy wordings. This proactive approach helps avoid disputes and ensures clarity for clients.
  • Navigating Complex Risks: The discussion highlights the increasing complexity of risks, driven by factors like climate change, cyber threats, and geopolitical instability. Harrison emphasizes the need for specialized expertise and a holistic view to manage interconnected risks.
  • The Art and Science of Claims: Effective claims handling requires a blend of technical knowledge and "art," including empathy, relationship management, and clear communication. This human element remains critical, even with the advent of AI.
  • AI's Evolving Role: While AI offers potential for efficiency and automation, its application in complex claims needs careful consideration. The focus remains on how AI can augment human expertise and improve client outcomes, rather than replacing them entirely.
  • Client Lens and Outcomes: The overarching principle for Willis's claims team is the "client lens," ensuring all actions directly impact client outcomes, both financially and through superior service standards.
  • Future Horizons: Looking ahead, the conversation touches upon the interconnectedness of global risks, the challenges of scaling specialization, and the evolving nature of insurance in response to technological advancements and geopolitical shifts.
  • The Importance of Collaboration: A key theme is the need for collaboration between brokers, insurers, and clients, particularly in understanding how various policy wordings interact and ensuring comprehensive coverage for complex, multi-layered risks.

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Episode InfoJeff Radke is CEO and Co-Founder of Accelerant, a technology-fueled insurance platform that empowers MGUs to more effectively and confidently serve small and medium enterprises. He has spent his career working across all areas of the insurance value chain, from underwriting to reinsurance in global markets. Prior to Accelerant, Jeff spent a decade at Argo Group International Holdings, but he became frustrated with thelegacy system's antiquated technology and emphasis on maintaining their position in the value chain over doing right by the customer. This inspired him to co-found Accelerant to enable data-driven innovation and collaboration that puts customers first. Accelerant rebuilds the way that underwriters share and exchange risk to improve outcomes for everyone, with a focus on the SMBs that power our global economy and their niche insurance needs.

Jeff was previously a guest on the show, and you can catch that episode here.

Episode Overview:

Accelerant's IPO Journey:

  • Successful Public Offering: Accelerant completed its Initial Public Offering (IPO) in July 2025.
  • Timing Was Right: Radke believes the IPO occurred at the opportune moment, as the business model had become clearly defined and demonstrable to investors. He suggests it couldn't have happened much sooner.
  • Market Conditions: The market timing for the IPO was favorable.
  • Long-Term Vision: The IPO supports a long-term strategy, with the company prioritizing a 5-10-15 year horizon rather than short-term quarterly results. This contrasts with some other tech IPOs that focus on immediate performance.
  • Investor Communication: Transparency with investors about expectations is crucial, and the company runs the business for the benefit of its customers and platform participants.
  • Learning Experience: The post-IPO period, including initial market reactions and earnings announcements, served as a valuable, albeit challenging, reminder to focus on running the business exceptionally well and managing investor expectations.

Accelerant's Mission & Problem Solved:

  • Addresses a gap in the market for specialized underwriting talent moving to MGAs without adequate support.
  • Recognizes the shift of risk retention to larger insurance companies, leaving a need for capacity.

The Accelerant Platform:

  • Aims to be the "rails" for specialty insurance.
  • Focuses on:

    • Smooth, transparent data flow.
    • Efficiently connecting MGAs to risk capital.
    • Leveraging technology and AI for data analytics and portfolio management.

Growth & Key Initiatives:

  • Serves 265 MGA members and partners with 17 insurance companies and 90+ capital providers.
  • Mission: An Accelerant-owned entity providing a safety net and support for underwriters transitioning to MGAs.
  • Risk Exchange: Facilitates capital matching for underwriters, with a focus on long-term network effects and data growth.

The Evolving MGA Landscape:

  • MGAs are growing significantly faster than the broader industry.
  • Technology is enabling specialization and a "handoff" model across the value chain.
  • This disaggregation is a natural progression, mirroring trends in other industries.
  • Specialized coverage is increasingly in demand due to the complexity of modern businesses.

Addressing Industry Inefficiencies:

  • Identifies high expenses in areas like claims, underwriting, and actuarial functions as a key challenge.
  • Advocates for mutualizing these expenses through centralized, technology-driven platforms like the Risk Exchange.
  • Contrasts this with the traditional model where many companies perform the same functions sub-optimally.

Differentiating Accelerant:

  • Focuses on long-term viability and underwriting expertise, not just hype.
  • Prioritizes serving members and capital partners with a service-minded approach.
  • Offers a more efficient and effective alternative to traditional and some other insurtech models.

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Episode InfoDavid Chavern is President and CEO of the American Council of Life Insurers (ACLI) whose mission is to help Americans build financial security through every stage of life. ACLI's 275 member companies represent 93 percent of industry assets and provide financial protection products and services to 90 million families.

In his first year in the position, Chavern led the charge in a major tax fight — delivering a win that positioned the industry for long-term success and growth. Now, amid rising costs and longer lives, he is elevating the industry's unique role in providing financial guarantees to Americans that can last for decades.

Before joining ACLI, Chavern has built a career spanning 30 years in executive, strategic, operational and legal roles, including serving as the President and CEO of Consumer Brands Association, the trade association for America's $2.1 trillion food, beverage and consumer products industry.

Chavern is a founding investor in several new companies and has been named in The Hill's "Top Lobbyists" and was one of the Washingtonian's "250 Most Influential People." He holds an undergraduate degree from the University of Pittsburgh, an MBA from Georgetown University and is a graduate of Villanova University's School of Law. He lives in Falls Church, Virginia with his wife and has adult children.

Episode Overview:

Role of ACLI

  • ACLI serves as the primary trade association for life insurance carriers in the U.S., representing over 200 members and about 95% of the industry.
  • The organization focuses on advocacy, lobbying, and telling the industry's story.

Industry Challenges

  • A significant challenge is the low level of understanding about the life insurance industry among the public and policymakers.
  • The industry faces difficulties in conveying the breadth of its products beyond just term life insurance.

Opportunities in the Industry

  • The aging society presents opportunities, with many people transitioning from planning for retirement to entering retirement.
  • Life insurance is uniquely positioned to offer long-term promises, which are increasingly valued.

Future Outlook

  • ACLI is investing in projects to better communicate the industry's role and contributions.
  • The organization is also focusing on regulatory issues and new sources of capital.

Importance of Insurance

  • Insurance is crucial for enabling various life activities by mitigating risk.
  • Without insurance, the cost of risk would be too high for individuals to bear, affecting their ability to start families, retire, or buy homes.

Policy and Regulation

  • The life insurance industry is state-regulated but also significantly impacted by federal policies, especially tax policy.
  • ACLI works to ensure that both state and federal policymakers understand the industry's perspective.

Conclusion

  • David Chavern emphasizes the need for the industry to improve its communication strategies and adapt to evolving market conditions.
  • The podcast concludes with a discussion on the importance of providing tools that give people a sense of safety and optimism about their future.

Policy and Regulation

  • The life insurance industry is state-regulated but also significantly impacted by federal policies, especially tax policy.
  • ACLI works to ensure that both state and federal policymakers understand the industry's perspective.

Conclusion

  • David Chavern emphasizes the need for the industry to improve its communication strategies and adapt to evolving market conditions.
  • The podcast concludes with a discussion on the importance of providing tools that give people a sense of safety and optimism about their future.

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Episode InfoAdam Masarek is a lawyer, epidemiologist (MPH), and the Legal Marketing Manager for Lex Machina®, the LexisNexis® Legal Analytics® platform. He is dedicated to empowering legal and insurance professionals with data-informed strategies to enhance business development, litigation outcomes, and the rule of law.

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In this episode, we sit down with Adam Masarek, leader of content marketing and thought leadership at Lex Machina, to delve into the evolving landscape of litigation within the insurance industry. Masarek, whose background in epidemiology and extensive experience with legal data analysis provides a unique perspective, discusses how Lex Machina leverages data to understand litigation trends and inform decision-making.

  • Lex Machina's Role in Litigation Analysis: Masarek explains his role at Lex Machina, emphasizing their unique approach of combining legal data with deep analysis of recent trends. This includes their popular litigation report series, which explores trends in areas like insurance coverage and sports litigation.
  • Epidemiology and Legal Data: The conversation draws an intriguing parallel between epidemiology and legal data analysis. Masarek highlights how understanding patterns and trends in litigation is akin to understanding disease outbreaks, requiring a data-driven approach to identify causes and potential solutions.
  • The Impact of Legal Data on Practice: The discussion explores how legal analytics are transforming legal practice. While predicting specific outcomes remains challenging due to variables like jury composition and human elements, data-driven insights allow for more precise and confident decision-making. This includes strategic choices about filing locations, potential case values, and overall legal strategy.
  • "Social Inflation" and Its Drivers: A significant portion of the conversation focuses on "social inflation," the phenomenon of awards and settlements outpacing general economic inflation. Masarek and the interviewer discuss potential culprits, including increased attorney advertising, the rise of litigation funding, and a more adversarial stance by insurers leading to more trial-bound cases.
  • Historical Context of Litigation Concerns: The episode touches upon the long-standing nature of concerns about a "lawsuit crisis," noting that such discussions have occurred for centuries. However, recent data from platforms like Lex Machina are providing empirical evidence for some of these trends, particularly concerning jury verdicts.
  • Specific Litigation Trends:

    • "Reptile Theory": The discussion touches on the "reptile theory," a plaintiff tactic emphasizing jurors as community protectors who should punish defendants.
    • Practice Area Variations: It's noted that surges in litigation costs and complexity vary by practice area. Patent litigation and trade secret disputes have seen significant increases, while environmental claims and commercial contracts have not shown the same growth.
    • Increased Filings: There's a noted increase in filings for tort claims, slip-and-falls, and automobile collisions in both federal and state courts.
    • Insurance Coverage Lawsuits: A sharp rise in coverage disputes related to commercial liability policies is highlighted, with record numbers of lawsuits filed in recent years. This trend is also observed in homeowners' coverage cases, particularly those related to hurricanes.
    • Workers' Compensation: The increasing representation in workers' compensation claims is discussed, with a significant portion of claims now coming in with an attorney already attached, making early, non-adversarial resolution more challenging.
    • The Role of Attorney Advertising and Litigation Funding: The pervasive nature of attorney advertising across various platforms (billboards, social media) is examined, with the observation that it's a uniquely American phenomenon. Litigation funding is also identified as a growing factor influencing the legal landscape.
    • The Future of Litigation: Masarek expresses that the current trajectory suggests that increased litigation filings are likely here to stay, indicating a "new normal." Factors like shifting labor markets, economic inflationary pressures, ubiquitous attorney advertising, and the continued growth of litigation funding contribute to this outlook. While acknowledging the potential for policy responses, the current data points towards a sustained trend.
    • Lex Machina's Goal: The ultimate aim of Lex Machina is to empower lawyers, adjusters, and other legal professionals with data for informed decision-making, leveling the playing field for smaller entities against larger corporations. They aim to reduce the "waste of resources" often associated with trials by facilitating more efficient and data-informed negotiations.
    • Emerging Challenges: New complexities, such as the use of artificial intelligence by insureds and cybersecurity risks, are presenting novel situations with limited precedent, potentially leading to increased litigation.

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With nearly 15 years of insurance industry experience, Joe Ziolkowski has navigated both US and non-US regulatory environments in the establishment of Property & Casualty and Life insurance company infrastructure.

In 2019, Joe founded Relm Insurance, Ltd. the first insurer licensed under the Bermuda Monetary Authority's new "innovation" framework. Under his leadership, Relm has become the leading insurer to companies operating in the digital asset/Web3 space and has provided insurance to companies in more than 35 countries around the world. Relm has pioneered the development of innovative insurance products including coverage for staking/slashing events, property exposures for Bitcoin miners, directors and officers liability insurance for token issuers and smart contract failure.

In 2024, Joseph spearheaded Relm's expansion into the MENA region through a strategic partnership with Liva Group, enabling the launch of tailored insurance products for businesses in the Web3, AI, and space economy sectors across the UAE, Bahrain, Oman, Saudi Arabia, and beyond. Relm now operates through its Dubai-based affiliate with a Category 4 license from the Dubai Financial Services Authority (DFSA), and approval by the Central Bank, marking a pivotal step in the company's global growth strategy. This move reinforces Relm's position as a go-to insurer for emerging industries underserved by traditional insurance markets.

Joseph holds a BS in Management & Business from Skidmore College and carries the CPCU (Chartered Property Casualty Underwriter) and Associate in Underwriting Management designations from The Institutes.

Episode Overview:

  1. Foundation and Vision of Relm Insurance:

    • Relm Insurance was founded to address the gap in the insurance industry for innovative sectors. Joe emphasizes the company's vision of making innovation resilient.
    • Challenges in the Insurance Industry:

    • The episode discusses the slow pace of innovation in the traditional insurance market and the need for companies like Relm to support emerging sectors.

    • Joe highlights the challenges of underwriting for new and innovative sectors, which require a unique approach.
    • Relm's Approach and Strategy:

    • Relm's strategy involves deep engagement with clients to understand their needs and tailor insurance products accordingly.

    • The company uses its differentiated risk appetite to support sectors like digital assets and advanced technologies.
    • Cultural Insights:

    • Joe discusses the importance of a learning culture at Relm, where employees are encouraged to continuously learn and adapt.

    • Industry Evolution:

    • The conversation touches on the need for the insurance industry to evolve and respond to new economic challenges and innovations.

Conclusion:

  • Joe expresses hope that Relm's efforts will push the insurance industry to better respond to innovation, ensuring that insurance remains a key enabler of progress.

  • The episode concludes with Joe's optimistic outlook on the future of the insurance industry and the role of companies like Relm in leading the charge.

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William Pitt is the executive director of FASE (Fédération des Agences de Souscription Européennes), an association founded to address a widely recognized need for a pan-European body to represent Europe's fast-growing, but little understood, MGA sector.

Prior to establishing FASE in 2025, William led research and consulting projects at Lexicon Associates and Conning. He is the author of The MGA Revolution: How MGAs are reshaping the insurance value chain, published by Lexicon Associates in November 2024. He previously led consulting initiatives for Conning in the United States and was the author of Conning's annual MGA studies.

Prior to joining Conning in 2021, he served for twelve years as global chief marketing officer at Beazley. Earlier in his career, he held senior marketing and business development roles at Marsh & McLennan Companies and Lloyd's.

William has written extensively on insurance for publications including the Wall Street Journal, Harvard Business Review, Institutional Investor, the Insurer, and Corriere della Sera. He is the author of More Equal than Others: A Director's Guide to EU Competition Policy, published by Director Books.

Episode Overview:

Background and Career

  • William Pitt shares his journey in the insurance industry, emphasizing his involvement in the delegated authority market and the MGA sector. He discusses his roles at Conning and Lexicon Associates, where he focused on research and consulting.

FASE and Its Mission

  • Pitt explains FASE as a federation of MGAs, capacity providers, and service providers, aiming to support the entire delegated authority ecosystem. He compares it to the successful Target Markets organization in the US.

The Role of Technology and Talent

  • The discussion highlights the importance of technology and talent in the MGA space. Pitt notes the migration of talent to MGAs and the role of technology in enabling these businesses to operate more efficiently.

Challenges and Opportunities in the MGA Market

  • Pitt addresses the challenges of integrating new technologies into established carriers and the opportunities for MGAs to be more adaptable and nimble. He also discusses the evolving landscape in Europe and the potential for growth.

The Future of MGAs in Europe

  • The conversation turns to the future of MGAs in Europe, with Pitt expressing optimism about the growth and internationalization of MGAs. He emphasizes the need for MGAs to navigate regulations and access capacity providers.

Conclusion

  • The interview concludes with Pitt's insights on the unique moment for the MGA space in Europe and the exciting opportunities ahead.

Key Takeaways

    • FASE aims to support the MGA ecosystem by fostering collaboration and innovation.
    • Technology and talent are crucial drivers of success in the MGA market.
    • The MGA sector is poised for significant growth, particularly in Europe, as it adapts to new challenges and opportunities.

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As the president of Personal Lines at Nationwide, Casey Kempton is responsible for all aspects of the business including product, underwriting, sales and distribution, claims and services. Her organization focuses on delivering effortless, personal and reassuring experiences for distribution professionals and customers who value protection and service.

Casey previously served as the executive vice president, digital business officer at Chubb where she was responsible for small business revenue generation, agency experience and the build of digital acquisition channels via direct-to-consumer affinity partnerships, eBrokers and agent-carrier connectivity.

Prior to Chubb, she led the personal lines agency channel at The Hartford including oversight of field sales performance, distribution strategy, marketing and product portfolio management. She also spent time with the ACE Group accountable for global personal and commercial lines as well as leading the operations and information technology for the Latin America region. Casey's early career included working on P&C strategic initiatives across the insurance value chain at The Hartford.

A graduate of the University of Connecticut, Casey holds Bachelor of Arts degrees in Cognitive Anthropology and English. She also has two patents in her name relating to homeowners insurance rating.

Episode Overview:

Casey shares her expertise and vision for the future of personal insurance lines, discussing the evolving landscape of the industry and the innovative strategies Nationwide is implementing to stay ahead.

Key Topics Discussed:

  1. Introduction to Casey Kempton:

    • Casey introduces herself and her role at Nationwide, where she oversees Auto, Home, Umbrella, and other personal lines.
    • She shares her journey and experiences since taking on the role in February 2024.
    • Customer-Centric Approach:

    • Nationwide's strong focus on customer satisfaction and building robust relationships with distribution partners.

    • The importance of understanding customer needs and providing tailored insurance solutions.
    • Predict and Prevent Strategy:

    • Discussion on the "Predict and Prevent" initiative, which aims to mitigate risks before they occur.

    • How this strategy is reshaping the insurance landscape by focusing on prevention rather than just compensation.
    • Technological Advancements:

    • The role of AI and data in enhancing pricing sophistication and service delivery.

    • The impact of telematics and connected technologies in personal lines insurance.
    • Industry Challenges and Opportunities:

    • Navigating the complexities of personal lines insurance, including risk management and loss prevention.

    • The evolving consumer mindset towards insurance as a necessary investment rather than a mere obligation.
    • Future Outlook:

    • Casey's vision for the future of insurance, emphasizing the need for continuous innovation and adaptation.

    • The potential for growth in embedded insurance and partnerships with OEMs.

Conclusion: Casey Kempton provides a comprehensive overview of the current state and future direction of personal lines insurance. Her insights into Nationwide's strategies and the industry's evolution offer valuable perspectives for anyone interested in the future of insurance.

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Jim has over thirty years of experience in the insurance and insurtech industries, with a proven track record of success in leading and growing companies. In Jim's previous role as CEO of bolt Solutions Inc, he grew the company's revenue and oversaw the transformation of its business model, enabling the company to grow and scale quickly and efficiently. He has extensive experience creating unparalleled business success in the insurance and insurtech space, administering pragmatic and analytical decisions in high-pressure environments. His enthusiasm for embracing cutting-edge technologies and fostering a culture of innovation aligns perfectly with MISSON's transformative and forward-thinking core values.

Episode Overview:

In this engaging episode of The Future of Insurance, we sit down with Jim Dwane, CEO of Mission, recorded live at ITC Vegas 2025. Jim shares his insights on the evolving landscape of the insurance industry and how Mission is at the forefront of this transformation.

Key Discussion Points:

Jim Dwane's Background:

  • Jim discusses his extensive career in the insurance industry, having spent two-thirds of it with major carriers like Travelers and AIG before venturing into the insuretech space in 2017.

Mission's Role and Vision:

  • Mission is described as a program administrator that builds de novo programs, focusing on finding exceptional underwriters and providing them with the opportunity to become entrepreneurs.
  • The company acts as an incubator and accelerator for MGUs (Managing General Underwriters), emphasizing a technology-first approach.

Strategic Advisory and Support:

  • Mission provides strategic advisory services, helping underwriters manage aspects beyond underwriting, such as capital management, marketing, and compliance.
  • The company supports its partners with administrative, operational, and technological infrastructure.

Industry Trends and Future Outlook:

  • Jim highlights the rapid growth of the program space within the insurance industry and the importance of speed and innovation.
  • The discussion touches on the strategic use of technology to accelerate industry transformation.

Mission's Partnerships:

  • Mission collaborates with multiple capacity partners, including its parent company, Accelerant, to ensure a robust support system for its MGUs.

Conclusion: Join us for this insightful conversation with Jim Dwane as we explore the future of insurance and how Mission is paving the way for innovation and growth in the industry. Whether you're an industry veteran or new to the field, this episode offers valuable perspectives on the dynamic changes shaping the insurance landscape.

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As Senior Vice President, Laurna leads the company's Western State Product and Club Experience teams, which are responsible for the performance of personal lines insurance products across CSAA Insurance Group's Western markets. She also oversees the Club & Agency Experience teams, which are responsible for the operations and experience of CSAA's largest distribution channel, AAA clubs.

Laurna started her insurance career at CSAA Insurance Group as an Actuarial Analyst and rose rapidly through the company's ranks. Subsequent roles of increased responsibility include Actuarial Supervisor and State Product Manager/Executive, before being promoted to VP in 2020.

She has a degree in Applied Mathematics with a focus on Actuarial Science from UC Berkeley. She also is an Associate of the Casualty Actuarial Society and sits on the board of the California FAIR Plan and the Advisory Board for the Wildfire Interdisciplinary Research Center (WIRC) at San Jose State University.

Born in Liverpool, UK, Laurna has lived in California since 2001. In her spare time, she enjoys playing games with her children and traveling with friends and family.

Episode Overview:

Laurna Castillo, SVP at CSAA Insurance Group, discusses the evolving landscape of the insurance industry, particularly in California. Recorded live at ITC Vegas 2025, the conversation delves into the challenges and opportunities facing insurers today.

Key Topics Discussed:

Commitment to California:

  • Laurna discusses CSAA's longstanding commitment to the California market, emphasizing the importance of staying engaged despite the challenges posed by natural disasters like wildfires.
  • The conversation highlights CSAA's strategic approach to maintaining viability in a tough market, focusing on careful rate management and community engagement.

Wildfire Mitigation and Community Engagement:

  • The episode explores CSAA's proactive measures in wildfire mitigation, including collaboration with the Insurance Institute for Business & Home Safety (IBHS).
  • Laurna shares insights on the societal and educational aspects of encouraging property owners to adopt fire-safe practices.

Regulatory Changes and Industry Adaptation:

  • Discussion on the new sustainable insurance strategy introduced by the Department of Insurance and its implications for the industry.
  • Laurna explains how these regulatory changes allow insurers to incorporate catastrophe models and reinsurance costs into their rates, a significant shift from past practices.

Future Outlook:

  • The episode concludes with a forward-looking discussion on the potential paths out of the current insurance availability crisis in California.
  • Laurna emphasizes the need for a long-term commitment to market stability and resilience, highlighting the generational nature of these efforts.

Conclusion: Join us for this engaging episode as Laurna Castillo provides a comprehensive view of the insurance industry's future, focusing on innovation, resilience, and community involvement. Whether you're an industry professional or simply interested in the future of insurance, this episode offers valuable insights and practical strategies for navigating the challenges ahead.

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Gil Arazi is the Founder and Managing Partner of FinTLV Venture Capital – a leading global late stage Insurtech VC (Hippo, Next Insurance, Unqork, Corvus, wefox and many more). FinTLV works very closely with dozens of the leading global insurers and re-insurers – to provide real value to its' portfolio companies. Therefore, Gil is a board member/observer in Hippo, Next Insurance, Pattern, iFeel, Assured Allies, Lovys, and more.

Gil has 20 Years' experience as a senior executive and board member at the largest insurance companies in Israel and is a seasonal entrepreneur in the insurtech startup ecosystem.

Episode Overview:

Gil Arazi is a seasoned expert in the insurance industry and the visionary behind FinTLV Ventures. Recorded live at ITC Vegas 2025, this conversation delves into the transformative trends shaping the insurance landscape, with a focus on innovation, prevention, and the integration of technology.

Key Discussion Points:

  • Background and Experience: Gil Arazi shares his journey from Tel Aviv to becoming a prominent figure in the global insurance industry, highlighting his 30 years of experience and leadership roles in companies like Generali.
  • The Birth of FinTLV Ventures: After leaving corporate life due to internal politics, Arazi founded FinTLV Ventures, which has grown into a leading insurtech venture capital firm. The firm has successfully invested in companies like Hippo and Corvus.
  • Investment Focus and Industry Trends: Arazi discusses FinTLV's strategic focus on cyber insurance and the shift towards profitable growth in the insurance sector. He emphasizes the importance of understanding industry trends to guide investment decisions.
  • The Role of Prevention in Insurance: A significant portion of the conversation centers around the need for the insurance industry to focus on prevention. Arazi argues that prevention can lead to substantial savings on future claims and improve societal well-being.
  • The Spark Consortium: Arazi introduces "The Spark," a consortium aimed at integrating proven technologies from various sectors into insurance products. This initiative seeks to drive prevention and innovation within the industry.
  • Challenges and Opportunities: The discussion also touches on the challenges of implementing innovative solutions in a traditionally conservative industry. Arazi highlights the potential of quantum computing and other emerging technologies to revolutionize insurance practices.

Conclusion: This episode offers a deep dive into the future of insurance through the lens of innovation and technology. Gil Arazi's insights provide a roadmap for industry leaders looking to embrace change and drive growth in a rapidly evolving market.

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Amy Antczak, COO of GreenieRE, brings nearly two decades of experience working in the legal and insurance industries to her role as Chief Operating Officer for GreenieRE. In her previous leadership positions at Energetic Capital, CNA, and AIG, Amy leveraged her law degree to manage complex financial lines claims, professional liability cases, and corporate litigation.

Episode Background:

Amy Antczak is the Co-Founder and COO of GreenieRe, a pioneering reinsurance company focused on supporting the renewable energy sector. Recorded live at ITC Vegas 2025, this conversation delves into the challenges and opportunities within the insurance industry as it adapts to the growing demand for renewable energy solutions.

Key Discussion Points:

Introduction to GreenieRe:

  • Amy shares her journey from a legal background and extensive experience in the insurance industry to co-founding GreenieRe.
  • GreenieRe's mission is to remove bottleneck risks that hinder the deployment of decarbonization infrastructure.

Challenges in Renewable Energy Insurance:

  • The episode explores the lack of capacity in the insurance market for renewable energy projects and how GreenieRe is addressing this gap.
  • Amy discusses the importance of making renewable energy projects more bankable and financeable.

Innovative Solutions:

  • GreenieRe's approach to providing surety bonds for renewable energy projects and the launch of their own surety bond program.
  • The role of reinsurance in supporting primary insurers and enabling them to cover renewable energy risks.

Future Outlook:

  • Amy emphasizes the potential of insurance as a force for good in combating climate change and the need for collaboration across the industry.
  • The episode concludes with a call to action for the insurance industry to embrace innovative solutions and work together to support the transition to renewable energy.

Conclusion:

This episode provides a compelling look at how the insurance industry can play a pivotal role in the transition to renewable energy. Amy Antczak's insights highlight the importance of innovation and collaboration in overcoming the challenges faced by the sector. Whether you're an insurance professional or interested in the future of renewable energy, this episode offers valuable perspectives on the evolving landscape of insurance.

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Peter Settel, CEO of Bold Penguin, is a business and technology leader with a proven track record of leading technology-led growth companies across the insurance sector.

Prior to Bold Penguin, Settel was the Enterprise Chief Strategy Officer and Information Officer at American Family Insurance. Before that, Peter spent 17 years as a senior executive leading capability development at Homesite Insurance. Peter spent his early career at Cambridge Technology Partners and as a leader at MediaLink Interactive.

Settel holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Finance and Investments from Babson College.

Introduction and Background:

Recorded live at ITC Vegas 2025, Peter shares his extensive experience in the insurance technology sector, spanning over 25 years, and discusses the transformative journey of Bold Penguin from a startup to a leading enterprise technology provider in the insurance industry.

Key Discussion Points:

Introduction to Peter Settel and Bold Penguin:

  • Peter Settel introduces himself and provides a brief overview of his career in insurance technology, starting with his role at Homesite Insurance and his journey through various leadership positions.
  • An introduction to Bold Penguin, highlighting its evolution from a venture-backed startup to a significant player in the insurance technology space.

Bold Penguin's Strategic Growth:

  • Discussion on the acquisition of Bold Penguin by American Family Insurance in 2021 and Peter's transition to CEO .
  • Insights into Bold Penguin's strategy to maintain its independence while serving the broader insurance market .

Technology and Market Impact:

  • Exploration of how Bold Penguin leverages digital technologies to enhance distribution platforms for small commercial insurance .
  • The role of AI and digital transformation in reshaping the insurance landscape, with a focus on competitive positioning .

Future of Insurance Distribution:

  • Peter discusses the importance of maintaining a robust distribution network that includes agents, brokers, and carriers .
  • The challenges and opportunities in balancing traditional insurance practices with innovative digital solutions .

Audience Engagement:

  • The episode encourages listeners to think about the future of insurance distribution and the role of technology in driving industry change.

Conclusion: Peter Settel provides a compelling vision for the future of insurance, emphasizing the critical role of technology in driving efficiency and growth in the industry. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of insurance and technology.

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With a vision of completely transforming the car insurance industry, Alex founded Root in 2015 on the principle that rates should be based primarily on driving behaviors, not demographics. As Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Alex leads the company in revolutionizing this outdated industry using mobile technology and data science to offer personalized car insurance rates to good drivers. Today, Root Insurance is the largest Property & Casualty InsurTech in the country.

Throughout his insurance career, Alex has built expertise in pricing and reserving, finance, and mergers and acquisitions. Before founding Root, Alex worked at Nationwide Insurance as a senior strategy consultant for the Property & Casualty lines of the business. Alex is a Fellow of the Casualty Actuarial Society, a Henry Crown Fellow of the Aspen Institute, and a member of the American Academy of Actuaries.

Episode Highlights

Alex Timm, leveraging his actuarial background and experience in corporate strategy, co-founded Root Insurance to revolutionize the insurance industry by focusing on customer-centric experiences and technological innovation. Root Insurance integrates big data and machine learning to enhance pricing models and customer experiences, notably through partnerships like the one with Carvana. The company prides itself on controlling its technology stack, enabling a seamless insurance purchase process. Alex highlights the importance of diversity and continuous technological investment to address industry challenges and drive innovation. Root Insurance remains committed to transforming the insurance landscape by embedding insurance solutions and refining its technological capabilities.

Introduction and Background:

  • Alex Timm, an actuary by training, co-founded Root Insurance on March 14, 2015. His background in the insurance industry is deeply rooted, with his father being an insurance entrepreneur.
  • Timm's passion for math and his experience in corporate strategy at a large insurance carrier led him to identify gaps in customer expectations and technological advancements within the industry.

Vision and Innovation:

  • Root Insurance was founded to address the lack of customer-centric experiences in the insurance industry. Timm was driven by the advent of big data and machine learning, aiming to leverage these technologies to match price to risk more effectively .
  • The company has developed a seamless customer experience by embedding insurance directly into the vehicle purchase process, exemplified by their partnership with Carvana.

Technological Advancements:

  • Root Insurance controls its technology stack, allowing for seamless integration and a three-click purchase experience. This technological control is a significant advantage, enabling the company to refine pricing models and algorithms continuously.
  • The use of telematics and other data sources is central to Root's strategy, but the company also emphasizes that telematics is just one aspect of their broader technological and pricing strategy.

Challenges and Industry Insights:

  • Timm acknowledges the challenges of underwriting profitably and the need for innovation in the insurance industry. He emphasizes the importance of diversity in thought and background to drive innovation.
  • The interview touches on the broader industry context, including the challenges of going public and the need for continuous investment in technology to deploy advanced algorithms.

Conclusion:

  • Alex Timm's leadership at Root Insurance is characterized by a commitment to innovation, customer experience, and leveraging technology to transform the insurance industry. The company continues to evolve, focusing on embedding insurance solutions and refining their technological capabilities.

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I provide insights from InsureTech Connect Vegas 2025, focusing on the significant impact of artificial intelligence (AI) in the industry. I saw the power of the democratization and proliferation of AI models, which are enabling new solutions in the market. The emphasis was on empowerment rather than replacing staff, recognizing the need for more workforce due to overwork and burnout.

I also got to be a judge at Guidewire's InsurePitch event, which featured pitches from five insurtechs, four of which focus on claims. This reflects a renewed interest in claims within the industry.

Networking was a significant aspect of the conference as always, and it seemed like you never had enough time given how many great conversations can be had in this very unique coming together of so many forward thinking people and companies in Insurance.

Episode Highlights

This is my recap of the ITC Vegas 2025 conference, highlighting several key insights:

  1. Impact of Artificial Intelligence: A major theme was the transformative role of AI in the industry. The conference emphasized the democratization and widespread adoption of AI models, which are creating new market solutions. The focus is on using AI to empower the workforce rather than replace it, addressing issues like overwork and burnout.
  2. Claims Back in the Spotlight: There was a renewed focus on Claims-specific solutions, with 80% of the companies competing for the Guidewire InsurPitch prize being Claims solutions.
  3. Networking and Collaboration: Networking was a crucial part of the conference, with attendees engaging to drive industry progress. Despite time constraints, the speaker valued the opportunity to connect with peers and share ideas, which is vital for industry advancement.

Overall, the conference had a strong focus on AI's pivotal role in industry transformation, the centrality of claims in insurance, and the importance of networking and collaboration for future growth.

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Rob Galbraith is the founder and CEO of Forestview Insights and is the author of the international bestselling book, The End of Insurance As We Know It.

Rob is an award-winning speaker who has shared his unique insights at numerous events around the globe on the topics of innovation, insurtech, and the future of insurance.

Rob has over 25 years of experience in the financial services industry in a variety of innovation and leadership positions at AF Group, USAA, and the Federal Reserve Board.

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The interview with Rob Galbraith at the 2025 PLRB Innovation Summit covers several key topics related to innovation in the insurance industry. Rob Galbraith, the founder and CEO of Forestview Insights, discusses his role in consulting and training traditional companies, particularly in the insurance sector, to foster a culture of innovation.

Key points from the interview include:

  • Building a Culture of Innovation: Rob emphasizes the importance of creating a sustainable culture of innovation within companies, which goes beyond the efforts of a single leader or project. He highlights that innovation should be treated as a discipline similar to underwriting or actuarial science.
  • Challenges in Innovation: He acknowledges the difficulties companies face in maintaining innovation, particularly in aligning IT projects with business needs. Rob shares his experiences with core system projects and the challenges of implementing new systems that meet business requirements.
  • Role of AI: The discussion touches on the potential of AI to address technical debt and streamline processes in the insurance industry. Rob shares insights on how AI can help in summarizing regulatory documents and customizing systems without extensive manual programming.
  • Long-term Perspective in Insurance: Rob discusses the long-term nature of the insurance business and how this perspective can be advantageous for innovation. He suggests that the industry's focus on long-term outcomes could support a more thoughtful approach to innovation.

Overall, the interview provides valuable insights into the strategies and challenges of fostering innovation in the insurance industry, with a focus on the role of leadership, culture, and technology.

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Cayce E. Lynch is the National Managing Partner and an Equity Partner at Tyson & Mendes. In this capacity, she leads the firm’s strategic vision and execution across all offices, focusing on optimizing the firm’s performance and addressing challenges in the evolving insurance defense industry. As part of the firm’s executive leadership team, Ms. Lynch is passionate about fostering a culture centered on people while driving results, reflecting her belief that organizations thrive when they balance purpose with humanity.

Under Ms. Lynch’s leadership, the firm has more than quadrupled in size and strengthened its reputation as a leader in insurance defense. She is the founder of several transformative initiatives, including the Tyson & Mendes Women’s Initiative, Young Professionals Group, and Diversity & Inclusion Committee, which provide mentorship and support for the firm’s attorneys and staff as well as insurance professionals nationwide. She also established Tyson & Mendes University, the firm’s premier internal education program that delivers unparalleled training for attorneys to ensure excellence in legal practice and client service.

In her leadership, Ms. Lynch prioritizes work-life harmony over rigid concepts of “balance.” She is a vocal advocate for supporting working parents, empowering underrepresented groups, and encouraging individuals to fully embrace authenticity in their work. Her initiatives and approach aim to support employees in thriving personally and professionally. An industry-recognized speaker and educator, Ms. Lynch regularly presents CE and MCLE updates on topics such as preventing Nuclear Verdicts® and social inflation. She also serves as faculty for the Nuclear Verdicts Defense Institute, helping train defense professionals to combat Nuclear Verdict® trends.

Ms. Lynch has been recognized with numerous awards, including San Diego Business Journal’s “Business Women of the Year” Award (2017), “Top 40 Under 40” by both San Diego Metro and San Diego Business Journal (2018, 2019), and CLM’s inaugural “Phenoms Under 40” (2022). She has also been listed as a “Woman of Influence in Law” (2021-2023)and a “Leader of Influence in Law” (2023) by San Diego Business Journal.

Ms. Lynch earned her J.D., cum laude, in 2011 from the William S. Richardson School of Law, University of Hawaii at Manoa, where she served as the Outside Articles Editor for the University of Hawaii Law Review. After graduation, she clerked for Associate Justice James Duffy at the Hawaii Supreme Court. She is licensed to practice law in California and Colorado.

Episode Highlights

  1. The Apex Method:

    • Cayce Lynch introduces the "Apex" method, a holistic approach designed to prevent nuclear verdicts by diffusing juror anger from the onset of a case. This method emphasizes reasonableness and being a good human.
    • Core Four Strategies:

    • The Apex method includes four key strategies, referred to as the "Core Four," which are crucial in preventing juror anger and, consequently, nuclear verdicts. Research indicates that these strategies are often not utilized by the defense.

    • Data-Driven Insights:

    • The book is backed by extensive research, including the analysis of trial transcripts from 100 nuclear verdicts over the past decade. This research highlights the importance of understanding the psychological tactics used by the plaintiff's bar.

    • Message of Hope:

    • Despite the increasing challenge of nuclear verdicts, Cayce Lynch offers a message of hope. By changing defense strategies and presentations in court, there is potential to alter the trajectory of these verdicts and improve the viability of the insurance industry.

    • Upcoming Book Release:

    • "Nuclear Verdicts: The Apex" is set to launch on October 22nd, with pre-sales available from early September.

These insights from Cayce Lynch's interview provide a comprehensive look at the challenges and solutions surrounding nuclear verdicts, offering valuable strategies for defense attorneys and claims professionals.

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In this episode, I explore the paradox that is insurance. We buy risk from others, yet we are risk averse ourselves. Looking at the work of underwriters as compared to venture investors, you find that the skillset is actually nearly identical, but it's being deployed in opposite directions. I discuss that, why that might be, and what someone trying to bring innovation and change to insurance should keep in mind given this reality.

Episode Highlights

This episode is a unique and shorter installment with insights and reflections rather than our normal interview format. The focus is on exploring the concept of risk aversion within the insurance industry and comparing it to the venture capital world.

Key Topics Discussed:

  1. Risk Aversion in Insurance:I see a paradox of risk aversion in an industry that essentially deals with buying and managing risk. Despite being in the business of risk, the insurance industry tends to be conservative and slow to change.
  2. Comparison with Venture Capital:A comparison is drawn between underwriters and venture capitalists, highlighting how both evaluate businesses but from different perspectives. While venture capitalists have a capped downside and potentially unlimited upside, underwriters face a capped upside and potentially unlimited downside.
  3. Analogies and Insights:I compare this to the Netflix show "Stranger Things" to describe the contrasting worlds of insurance and venture capital, likening them to the "Upside Down" and the real world.
  4. Economic Perspectives:Discussion on the economic frameworks within which underwriters and venture capitalists operate, emphasizing the differences in risk and reward dynamics.
  5. Personal Reflections:The episode includes personal anecdotes and reflections on the nature of risk, decision-making, and the psychological aspects of dealing with uncertainty.

Conclusion: The episode concludes with a call to embrace conversations about risk and change, encouraging listeners to prepare for and adapt to new challenges in their professional environments.

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Charlie Wendland is the Chief Claims Officer at Branch, a modern reciprocal exchange reinventing bundled home and auto insurance. With over two decades of experience at Progressive, Travelers, and National Interstate, Charlie has built and scaled high-performing claims teams that blend technology with exceptional customer care. He holds both an MBA and bachelor’s degree from Cleveland State University, plus multiple industry designations, and he currently serves on the board of OACTA. At Branch, Charlie built a digitally enabled claims organization from scratch and continues to pioneer innovations that improve outcomes and customer experiences. He’s passionate about modernizing insurance, uncovering hidden value, and mentoring the next generation of claims professionals.

Episode Highlights

  1. AI in Claims Processing: The discussion emphasizes the use of AI at Branch to streamline the claims process, particularly through voice AI and electronic first notice of loss. This has led to over 70% of claims being reported through these technologies, enhancing efficiency and customer satisfaction.
  2. Empathy in AI: Charlie raised the concern about the ability of AI to replicate human empathy. He notes that the AI has been surprisingly effective in issuing empathetic responses, which is crucial for maintaining customer satisfaction.
  3. Technological Integration: Branch has integrated AI in various administrative tasks, such as document generation (with a solution from Kyber) and mail handling, which frees up human resources for more complex tasks. This has resulted in significant time savings and increased staff capacity.
  4. Future Prospects: Looking ahead, Charlie see the potential for AI to overlay on top of new data, particularly in Auto claims, where newer car models capture extensive data. This could shift the focus from claims investigation to claims confirmation.
  5. Human-AI Collaboration: Charlie underscores the importance of human oversight in AI-driven processes, ensuring accuracy and maintaining a human touch in customer interactions, as well as the need to be mindful of the impact of change on your staff. Given the speed of change Branch has lived, they’ve found this to be incredibly important.

Overall, Charlie gave a comprehensive view of how AI is transforming the insurance industry, focusing on efficiency, customer experience, and the balance between technology and human interaction.

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Reid Holzworth leads Ivans' strategic direction. He is a prominent insurance industry leader with extensive insurance experience in both broker and insurer distribution environments. Reid began as an independent agent, frustrated that the products on the market didn’t fit well with his business model. So he founded and became CEO of TechCanary, an InsurTech leader on the Salesforce platform that Applied Systems acquired in 2019. TechCanary built an innovative set of insurance solutions on the Salesforce platform to create choice and flexibility for agencies who prefer Salesforce.com, which has since been incorporated in Applied's portfolio under the name Applied Epic for Salesforce.

Episode Highlights

Introduction

  • The video begins with a discussion about Reid's journey into the insurance industry, starting on the broker side and eventually managing an agency. Reid shares insights into their experience of franchising an agency and building a system on the Salesforce platform.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. Building TechCanary

    • Reid founded TechCanary, a technology company that became the leading insurance solution on the Salesforce platform. They discuss the partnership with Salesforce and the expansion into working with MGAs, carriers, and wholesalers.
    • The Role of Ivans

    • Ivans is highlighted as a crucial player in connecting carriers and agencies. Reid explains how Ivans transitioned from a nonprofit to a for-profit entity and its acquisition by Applied Systems.

    • Technology and Innovation in Insurance

    • The conversation touches on the integration of third-party data sources and the importance of operational efficiency. Reid emphasizes the need for continuous innovation and adaptation in the insurance industry.

    • Challenges and Opportunities

    • Reid discusses the challenges faced in the insurance industry, such as the need for better data management and the potential of AI and other technologies to transform business operations.

    • He does not see AI replacing agents and brokers because of the way relationships are so critical to the work they do, but does see areas will it will have great impact, especially for work that has shifted to lower cost locations globally.
    • Future Outlook

    • The video concludes with a forward-looking perspective on the insurance industry, highlighting the importance of evolving and iterating on business models to stay competitive.

Conclusion

  • Reid shares his unique vantage point in the industry, bridging the gap between traditional agency operations and modern technological advancements. The discussion underscores the dynamic nature of the insurance industry and the continuous need for innovation.

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Just a quick note that we are taking a short break for a couple of weeks to enjoy the summer, but the rest of Season 7 will be back soon!

In the meantime, this is a great opportunity to catch up on the back catalogue of the show, or get The Future of Insurance books from Audible to keep listening to inspiring stories of how companies in the insurance industry are overcoming challenges, innovating and evolving.

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Mary Boyd is a seasoned senior executive with over 30 years of experience leading businesses through transformative phases in their history that span invention, renovation, integration and rebuilding. Beyond her reputation for building, revitalizing, and integrating businesses, Mary has a proven track record of successfully translating strategic vision into reality. Her career is distinguished by spearheading large-scale operational, technological, and team transformations, driving significant growth and innovation across organizations. Mary’s success lies in her ability to blend innovation with an agile approach, excelling at both seeing the big picture and identifying strategic opportunities in the finer details.

Since 2006, Mary has held CEO, President and division leadership roles, consistently improving net income by optimizing channel economics, fostering best-in-class partnerships, building high-performance teams, and advancing operational excellence.

Mary currently serves as Chief Executive Officer of Hiscox USA, leading the business through its next phase of growth and commitment to supporting the small business landscape. In her role, Mary oversees the financial operations of Hiscox USA’s nearly $1 billion commercial property and casualty business. She collaborates closely with her teams to drive near-term profitable growth while implementing a strategic vision that will markedly expand their reach to more of America’s entrepreneurs.

Mary joined Hiscox from Plymouth Rock Assurance Corporation, where she served as President and CEO of their Independent Agency Group, overseeing personal insurance and commercial auto businesses. Before that, she led Hartford’s personal lines Direct-to-Consumer and Agency channels, following 15 years in high-net-worth personal lines. Mary began her insurance career at Chubb as an actuarial trainee, progressing through roles in Product and Pricing. She ultimately launched the Predictive Analytics practice for Chubb’s Personal Lines division and later spent five years at ACE (now Chubb), where she served as President of their Private Risk Services division.

Mary earned her Bachelor of Arts degree in Applied Mathematics and Economics from Rutgers University. As a coach of youth sports, ambitious professionals, and entrepreneurs

Episode Highlights

Introduction and Background

  • Mary shares her experience and background in the insurance industry, highlighting her 30-year career and her role at Hiscox USA.
  • Hiscox USA, part of a long-standing London-based company, started its operations in the US in 2006.

Business Model and Growth

  • Hiscox USA has transformed the small commercial business sector by offering online binding and digital partnerships, expanding its business to nearly a billion dollars.
  • The company operates as an omnichannel business, engaging in direct sales, digital partnerships, and wholesale brokerage.

Challenges and Opportunities

  • The conversation touches on the challenges small business owners face, such as being underinsured, and how Hiscox aims to support them through education and tailored insurance solutions.
  • The company is focused on being a leading insurer for entrepreneurs, emphasizing the need for holistic support beyond just sales.

Innovation

  • The discussion emphasizes the importance of AI and advanced tools in improving underwriting and efficiency across the insurance value chain.
  • Hiscox has partnered with Google to leverage AI for better underwriting and insights.

Future Outlook

  • Mary discusses the future of Hiscox, highlighting the integration of data and analytics to enhance product offerings and maintain competitivenes.
  • The company aims to continue its growth by being a better partner and protector for businesses, focusing on insights and protection rather than just speed.

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As innovation continues to change at a relentless pace, cutting through a noisy marketplace has never been more essential.

Such change brings exciting opportunities but also potential risks. Solve the right issues with the right tech, and you can bolster bottom lines and future-proof operations. Identify the wrong challenges and the wrong technology, and you risk trust, reputation, and even market share.

Learn how to identify the right opportunities with MetLife's Bill Pappas in this episode from our conversation on the main stage at ITI NYC 2025 session, 'From Enable to Empower:

Harnessing Technology to Drive Business Growth.' Join us as Bill outlines the innovations that help shape MetLife's strategy and how his team has evolved tech deployment from an enabler to an empowerer of business growth.

Episode Summary

The episode discusses the evolving role of technology and AI in business operations, particularly at MetLife. Bill Pappas, a leader in technology and operations, highlights the integration of traditional technology with client experience and operational processes. He emphasizes the importance of adapting to rapid technological changes and the need for new execution playbooks, as traditional methods become obsolete quickly.

The discussion also covers the balance between human and AI collaboration, suggesting that while AI presents significant opportunities, humans will continue to play a crucial role, especially in areas requiring critical thinking. Bill stresses the importance of a commercial mindset for business leaders, understanding both the financial aspects and the competitive landscape.

Furthermore, the Bill addresses the challenges of digital transformation, noting that many companies struggle with integrating new tools into existing ecosystems due to legacy technical debt and fragmented data. He advises business leaders to focus on the value proposition of new technologies and ensure their data is fit for purpose.

  1. Role of Technology and AI:

    • Exploration of how technology and AI are transforming business operations at MetLife.
    • Integration of traditional technology with client experience and operational processes.
    • Adapting to Technological Changes:

    • Importance of adapting to rapid technological advancements.

    • Need for new execution playbooks as traditional methods become quickly outdated.
    • Human and AI Collaboration:

    • Discussion on the balance between human roles and AI capabilities.

    • Emphasis on the continued importance of human involvement in areas requiring critical thinking.
    • Commercial Mindset:

    • Importance of a commercial mindset for business leaders.

    • Understanding financial aspects and the competitive landscape.
    • Challenges of Digital Transformation:

    • Challenges companies face with digital transformation.

    • Issues with integrating new tools due to legacy technical debt and fragmented data.
    • Focus on Value Proposition:

    • Advice for business leaders to focus on the value proposition of new technologies.

    • Ensuring data is fit for purpose to maximize technology benefits.

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Chris Merideth is a seasoned insurance industry professional, public policy strategist, and Republican candidate for Oklahoma Insurance Commissioner in 2026. With a career spanning agency operations, catastrophe response, and legislative advocacy, Chris brings a rare 360-degree view of the insurance ecosystem—having worked with agents, adjusters, consumers, and lawmakers from across the country.

Currently serving in government affairs for a major national carrier, Chris has been on the front lines of some of the most pressing issues facing the market: skyrocketing premiums, litigation abuse, disappearing availability, and the urgent need for property resilience in a high-risk state like Oklahoma.

Chris’s campaign is built on grassroots leadership, free-market reform, and a clear promise: make insurance work for people again. His bold policy agenda includes reducing reinsurance pressure, incentivizing fortified home construction, streamlining regulatory red tape, and launching transparency tools like a Prior Authorization Report Card and a Claims Complaint Scoreboard.

Known for his energy, grit, and straight talk, Chris is leading a grassroots movement of agents and consumers to restore trust and accountability in the insurance system—before it’s too late.

Follow his campaign at www.ChrisMeridethForOK.com

Episode Summary

The video features a conversation with Chris Meredith, a candidate running for the position of Commissioner of Insurance in Oklahoma. The discussion centers around the challenges and solutions related to insurance and fortified homes in the state. Here are the key points covered in the video:

  1. Background and Motivation:

    • Chris emphasizes that their campaign is not about politics but about protecting people and doing the right thing.
    • He has extensive experience in the insurance industry, having worked across various states and attended national meetings.
    • Insurance Challenges:

    • There is a nationwide issue with insurance affordability, where people struggle to afford insurance, and carriers find it economically challenging to provide coverage.

    • The frequency and severity of storms, particularly hailstorms, are increasing, making it more likely for homes to be hit.
    • Fortified Homes Initiative:

    • Chris advocates for fortified homes, which are designed to withstand severe weather conditions. This includes using hail-resistant shingles and securing roof decking.

    • They highlight the success of similar programs in Alabama and stress the need for Oklahoma to adopt these best practices.
    • Legislative and Grassroots Efforts:

    • Chris discusses the importance of legislative changes and grassroots efforts to push for fortified home initiatives.

    • He emphasizes collaboration over conflict, urging local agents, roofers, and contractors to work together to influence legislative priorities.
    • Future Plans and Commitment:

    • Chris is committed to implementing these initiatives if elected, drawing on private funding and legislative support.

    • He expresses a personal connection to the cause, having witnessed the impact of insurance in disaster recovery.

OverallOverall, the interviedw highlights Chris's vision for improving insurance practices in Oklahoma through fortified homes and collaborative efforts.

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Over the last decade, the insurtech landscape has rapidly evolved, transitioning from a space dominated by startups innovating at the fringes to becoming a thriving industry amassing huge investment and innovation.

But how did we get here, and more importantly, where do they go next?

Hippo CEO, Rick McCathron, joins Bryan Falchuk for this conversion, titled, "A Decade of Insurtech: From Startup to Success Story in 10 Years," recorded live from the main stage of ITI NYC 2025. Rick reflects on a decade of progress at Hippo, exploriing the strategies that have propelled insurtechs from industry disruptors to established market players, offering insights into what it takes to scale, sustain growth, and maintain operational excellence.

Episode Summary

This episode provides insights into effective sales and networking strategies for those selling to insurance companies. It challenges conventional sales tactics and emphasizes the importance of personalized and informed approaches.

Industry Challenges and Adaptation

Rick emphasizes the dynamic nature of the business world, noting that successful companies are those that can pivot and adapt quickly to new learnings, data, and shifts in consumer appetites.

He shares insights on the importance of making decisions with imperfect information and the need to adjust those decisions as more information becomes available.

Financial Performance and Future Outlook

Hippo has successfully met and exceeded its financial metrics, and Rick expresses confidence in the company's ability to continue this trend. He mentions an upcoming presentation to the investment community to outline their future plans.

Customer Experience and Industry Transformation

The discussion touches on the need for the insurance industry to improve customer experience, drawing parallels to Amazon's customer-centric approach. Despite progress, Rick believes there is still room for improvement.

Transparency and Management

Rick highlights the importance of transparency and ownership in management, acknowledging past mistakes and the need for change. He credits Hippo's management team for their ability to adapt and overcome challenges.

Collaboration and Industry Opportunities

The conversation also covers the need for collaboration within the industry, emphasizing that there is ample opportunity for different companies to succeed without a winner-takes-all mentality.

OverallThe interview provides a comprehensive look at Hippo Insurance's strategies, challenges, and future plans, along with broader insights into the insurance industry's evolution.

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After a series of conferences where I saw some sales tactics that were having the opposite effect from what the person employing them would have wanted, I thought I'd use an episode to share some of the advice I give to companies I've advised over the years. It's informed by my direct experience having been an executive at insurance companies who got sold to, and running the sales function for a B2B SaaS insurtech solution provider.

Hopefully this is valuable to anyone trying to sell into the insurance industry (and to those of us on the receiving end of those sales efforts!).

Episode Summary

This episode provides insights into effective sales and networking strategies for those selling to insurance companies. It challenges conventional sales tactics and emphasizes the importance of personalized and informed approaches.

Key Points:

  1. Personalized Outreach:

    • Avoid blanket approaches like mass emails or messages. Instead, invest time in understanding if the recipient is a genuine prospect.
    • Tailor your messages to address specific needs and demonstrate genuine interest.
    • Challenges with Conventional Tactics:

    • Many sales playbooks advocate for reaching out to everyone, but this often leads to brand damage and wasted efforts.

    • The video argues that the insurance industry requires a different approach due to its unique nature.
    • Effective Networking:

    • Utilize platforms like LinkedIn for meaningful connections rather than relying solely on event apps, which are often underutilized.

    • Be mindful of social etiquette, such as not interrupting ongoing conversations or meetings.
    • Building Relationships:

    • Focus on being informed and culturally aware to foster genuine relationships.

    • The goal is to reach a point where the prospect feels understood and sees you as a potential solution to their challenges.
    • Practical Advice:

    • Spend a few moments researching potential clients to ensure they are the right fit.

    • Be upfront about your intentions to avoid wasting time on both sides.

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Luca Russignan is an insurance expert with more than 15 years of experience with industry-leading consultancies and insurers. At Capgemini, he enables CxO conversations in the insurance sector through data-driven thought leadership to shape insurance business strategy focusing in particular on North America and Europe. He holds an MBA in Strategy and Finance from Hult International Business School.

Episode Summary

The interview discusses the future of the insurance industry, focusing on demographic changes and the role of technology, particularly AI, in shaping this future. Overall, the interview provides a forward-looking analysis of the insurance industry, urging stakeholders to consider demographic trends and technological advancements in their strategic planning.

Key Points:

  1. Demographic Shifts:
    • The interview highlights a significant demographic shift where the population pyramid is flipping, meaning there will be more older people than younger ones. This change is expected to fundamentally alter who buys insurance, the risks they face, and how these risks interconnect.
  2. Actionable Insights:
    • The discussion emphasizes the importance of making insights actionable. The goal is not just to provide new information but to explain why it matters and how to start acting on it. This involves connecting future forecasts with present-day actions.
  3. Role of AI:
    • AI is seen as a silver lining, offering opportunities to address challenges like a shrinking workforce and climate change. It is viewed as a tool that can enable successful aging of the population and unlock productivity gains.
  4. Strategic Conversations:
    • The interview stresses the need for integrating demographic considerations into strategic conversations today. This integration is crucial for preparing for future challenges and opportunities.
  5. Future Projections:
    • The interview looks ahead to 2050, considering how current trends will evolve. It encourages taking "no regret" actions today that will be beneficial regardless of how the future unfolds.

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Debbie Brackeen leads CSAA Insurance Group in strategy, partnerships, innovation and venture investing. She has more than 25 years of experience and leadership at innovative high-tech companies, including Apple, Sun, HP, and eBay, and, most recently, serving as the global head of innovation at Citigroup. She has served as an adviser to the Astia Technology Committee since 2008, and was an adviser on the corporate board of the National Venture Capital Association. Ms. Brackeen earned a degree in American Studies from Stanford University and has completed executive programs at the Northwestern Kellogg School of Management, INSEAD and the Stanford Graduate School of Business.

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The video features a discussion with David, who has over 35 years of experience in the insurance industry, focusing on casualty underwriting and management. He currently serves as the Head of Casualty at Argo Group, where he oversees various liability lines, including primary and excess casualty, environmental liabilities, construction liabilities, and workers' compensation. The conversation highlights Argo's niche focus on the U.S. market, with some operations in Bermuda, and its recent acquisition by Brookfield Wealth Solutions.

David shares insights into the challenges faced by the Casualty insurance sector, such as social inflation, litigiousness in the U.S., and the economic viability of Casualty lines. He discusses the importance of capacity management and the need for insurance carriers to be nimble in managing their portfolios. The conversation also touches on the impact of distracted driving on auto insurance claims and the necessity for the industry to adapt to changing conditions.

The video concludes with a discussion on the future of the insurance industry, emphasizing the need for innovation and the importance of attracting new talent to sustain the industry. David expresses optimism about the industry's ability to adapt and continue providing necessary coverage despite current challenges.

Episode Summary

The video features a discussion on the strategic implementation of Artificial Intelligence (AI) within a corporate setting, specifically focusing on the insurance industry. The conversation is led by Debbie Brackeen, who heads innovation and corporate development at CSAA Insurance Group, a part of the AAA insurance companies in the US.

Key Points

  1. AI Strategy and Implementation: The focus is on harnessing the power of Generative AI (Gen AI) to transform business operations and create sustainable business value. The strategy involves embedding AI as a strategic capability within the company to gain a competitive advantage.
  2. AI in Insurance: The conversation highlights the potential of AI to revolutionize the insurance industry by improving efficiency and accuracy in claims processing and underwriting. The use of AI is seen as a way to manage both structured and unstructured data more effectively.
  3. Challenges and Opportunities: There is an acknowledgment of the challenges posed by AI, such as the need for governance, controls, and regulatory compliance. However, the potential benefits, such as faster claims processing and better customer service, are emphasized.
  4. Future Outlook: The discussion reflects optimism about the future impact of AI, comparing its transformative potential to that of the Internet. There is a belief that AI will lead to new job roles and opportunities, rather than just eliminating existing ones.

Overall, the video provides insights into how AI is being strategically integrated into business processes to enhance efficiency and create new opportunities within the insurance sector.

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David Corry joined Argo Group in September 2020. As Head of Casualty, he is responsible for leading Primary Casualty, Excess Casualty, Construction, Environmental, Rockwood, and Bermuda Casualty. Corry previously served as Senior Vice President, Head of Environmental at Argo Group. He has in-depth experience in all lines of casualty insurance, having served as Senior Director at Markel Specialty and Vice President at Liberty Mutual. He also held senior positions at Chubb and Crum & Forster. Corry is a veteran of the armed forces, having served for 29 years in the Air National Guard, retiring with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.

Highlights from the Show

The video features a discussion with David, who has over 35 years of experience in the insurance industry, focusing on casualty underwriting and management. He currently serves as the Head of Casualty at Argo Group, where he oversees various liability lines, including primary and excess casualty, environmental liabilities, construction liabilities, and workers' compensation. The conversation highlights Argo's niche focus on the U.S. market, with some operations in Bermuda, and its recent acquisition by Brookfield Wealth Solutions.

David shares insights into the challenges faced by the Casualty insurance sector, such as social inflation, litigiousness in the U.S., and the economic viability of Casualty lines. He discusses the importance of capacity management and the need for insurance carriers to be nimble in managing their portfolios. The conversation also touches on the impact of distracted driving on auto insurance claims and the necessity for the industry to adapt to changing conditions.

The video concludes with a discussion on the future of the insurance industry, emphasizing the need for innovation and the importance of attracting new talent to sustain the industry. David expresses optimism about the industry's ability to adapt and continue providing necessary coverage despite current challenges.

Key Points:

  1. Challenges in Casualty Insurance:

    • Social inflation and increased litigiousness in the U.S.
    • Economic viability of casualty lines.
    • Importance of capacity management and nimbleness in portfolio management.
    • Impact of Distracted Driving:

    • Significant effect on auto insurance claims.

    • Necessity for the industry to adapt to changing conditions.
    • Future of the Insurance Industry:

    • Need for innovation and attracting new talent.

    • Optimism about the industry's ability to adapt and provide necessary coverage despite challenges.

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The Insurance Industry is facing a number of challenges today. And yet the number of strategies tools we can use to overcome those challenges is equally numerous.

That's the spirit of the conversations my good friend Nick Lamparelli and I get into whenever we talk, and now, you get to hear what we talk about because we got together to take over Dave Wechsler's InsurTech Rap a couple of weeks ago, and I am releasing that episode on my show for all of you!

Highlights from the Show

The interview delves into the current challenges and innovations within the insurance market, focusing on the years 2023 and 2024. Key issues discussed include the impact of inflation, tariffs, and natural catastrophes on the industry. The conversation highlights the structural changes in the market, particularly the broken cycle of rate adjustments post-crises, and the ongoing struggle to balance profitability with affordability for both carriers and consumers.

Regulatory challenges, such as difficulties in obtaining rate approvals, are examined, alongside the industry's frustration with continuous rate increases. The discussion also explores innovative solutions like parametric insurance, which offers a viable alternative to traditional models, and emphasizes the importance of diversification in business models, especially for mutual insurers.

The interview touches on the economic effects of tariffs on trade flow and currency attractiveness, as well as the long-term cost of capital. Audience interaction enriches the conversation, providing additional insights into market challenges and potential solutions. The session concludes with gratitude towards participants and a teaser for future discussions on community-based insurance solutions.

Key Points:

  1. Market Dynamics and Challenges:
    • The conversation explores the structural changes in the insurance market, emphasizing the broken cycle of rate adjustments following crises.
    • Challenges in finding a balance between profitability and affordability for carriers and consumers are highlighted.
  2. Regulatory and Rate Issues:
    • The difficulty in obtaining rate approvals and the impact of regulatory actions on market dynamics are discussed.
    • The conversation touches on the frustration within the industry regarding continuous rate increases and the need for alternative solutions.
  3. Parametric Insurance Solutions:
    • The rise of parametric insurance as a viable alternative to traditional models is explored, noting its benefits and cost implications.
  4. Diversification and Innovation:
    • The importance of diversification in business models, especially for long-standing mutual insurers, is emphasized.
    • The potential for creative solutions like reciprocal models and community-based insurance solutions is discussed.
  5. Impact of Tariffs and Economic Factors:
    • The conversation delves into the effects of tariffs on trade flow, currency attractiveness, and the long-term cost of capital.

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This episode featured the co-founders of a first-of-its-kind fertility insurance solution called Flora Fertility.

Dr. Christy Lane, President and Co-Founder Dr. Christy Lane is global leader of InsurTech, an investor, founder and award-winning health scientist with expertise in AI, digital health, and wearable devices. Dr. Lane is the Co-Founder of Flora Fertility, the Stanford Wearable Health Lab, as well as Founder and former CEO of Vivametrica. Dr. Lane is also a Venture Partner with IA Capital, an InsurTech/fintech venture firm in New York. Dr. Lane has built her career in women’s health research since the 90’s, and is blazing a new path forward to combine critical components of wearable tech to help inform insurance policy to make fertility treatments more accessible. As a mom of 3, Dr. Lane has gone through IVF herself and deeply understands the emotional and financial challenges of treatment. She has been recognized as Top 40 Under 40 in Calgary, Female Founders of Insuretech Winner and Top 20 Women in Tech.

Laura McDonald, CEO and Co-Founder Laura McDonald is the Co-Founder of Flora Fertility, the first individually-owned insurance solution for fertility and women's health. She formerly founded, scaled, and sold Canada's largest financial media company focused on women and wealth and is passionate about educating women about financial freedom and helping them achieve those goals. She has guided product wholesaling for a major insurance company and helped scale a DTC AI model in the e-commerce space to have global market adoption across 100+ countries. She is a mother of four and the author of two best-selling personal finance books and a former media personality in the financial sector.

Highlights from the Show

The interview discusses the innovative approach of Flora Fertility, a company co-founded by Christy Lane and Laura McDonald. The company focuses on providing individually owned private insurance coverage for fertility, aiming to address the high demand and financial burden associated with fertility treatments. The discussion highlights the prevalence of fertility issues, with statistics indicating that one in six people may require fertility treatment, a figure recognized by the World Health Organization as a global health issue in 2023.

Flora Fertility's insurance product is designed to be accessible and affordable, targeting women aged 20 to 34 with policies ranging from $15 to $70 per month, offering up to $50,000 in coverage for fertility treatments. The founders emphasize the importance of community and education, aiming to create a supportive environment for policyholders that includes perks, benefits, and educational resources.

The episode also touches on the broader implications of women's health and the need for more investment and innovation in this area. It highlights the potential for Flora Fertility to change perceptions of insurance among younger generations and to serve as a gateway for other insurance products. The founders' personal experiences with infertility and their professional backgrounds in healthcare and entrepreneurship are key drivers behind the company's mission.

Key Points:

  1. Innovative Insurance Solution: Flora Fertility offers a unique insurance product specifically for fertility treatments, addressing a significant gap in the market.
  2. Global Health Issue: Fertility issues affect one in six people globally, as recognized by the World Health Organization in 2023, highlighting the importance of accessible fertility treatment options.
  3. Affordable Coverage: The insurance policies are designed to be affordable, with monthly premiums ranging from $15 to $70, providing up to $50,000 in coverage.
  4. Target Demographic: The primary target audience for these policies is women aged 20 to 34, a demographic that can greatly benefit from early and proactive fertility planning.
  5. Community and Education: Flora Fertility emphasizes the importance of building a supportive community for policyholders, offering educational resources and additional benefits.
  6. Broader Implications for Women's Health: The initiative underscores the need for more investment and innovation in women's health, potentially reshaping perceptions of insurance among younger generations.
  7. Founders' Motivation: The personal experiences of the founders with infertility, combined with their professional expertise in healthcare and entrepreneurship, drive the mission and vision of Flora Fertility.

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Guest Bio

Darren Wood is the founder of Recoop Disaster Insurance, a first-of-its-kind, multi-peril disaster insurance product. Darren is an insurance industry veteran, with over 25 years of experience. He previously served as the division president for Holmes Murphy, a top 25 insurance broker, where he was responsible for the delivery of value-added solutions to insurance clients. He also held senior project management and operational leadership roles with Marsh Consumer (now Mercer), focusing on the delivery of employee benefit and affinity solutions to consumers through Fortune 1,000 clients.

Darren received his degree in Accounting from Simpson College, earned his Project Management Professional (PMP) designation, and is a veteran of the United States Army. 

Highlights from the Show

In this episode, we cover the challenges and solutions related to insurance coverage, particularly in the context of natural disasters and underinsurance. The conversation highlights the following key points:

  1. Background and Motivation: Darren shares personal experiences from the Gulf War, emphasizing the importance of addressing resource shortages and providing solutions for those in need.
  2. Insurance Gaps and Solutions: The discussion focuses on the inadequacies of traditional insurance policies, which are often outdated and not suited to current exposure contexts. Darren is interested in exploring new solutions that can address these gaps effectively.
  3. Product Offering: Recoop offers a multi-peril disaster product that provides a lump sum solution to customers. This product is designed to complement existing insurance policies by covering gaps that traditional policies do not address.
  4. Distribution and Reach: Recoop has partnered with 22 distribution partners, providing access to approximately 140 million Americans. They are also working with independent agents and larger insurers to expand their reach.
  5. Challenges and Perseverance: Darren discusses the perseverance required to succeed in this field, drawing parallels to their military experience. They emphasize the importance of continuous effort and building a strong policy base to increase exposure and coverage.
  6. Future Outlook: The conversation concludes with optimism about the future and the potential for new solutions to fill existing gaps in insurance coverage. Darren expresses a commitment to helping others in the industry and addressing the real problems faced by people.

Overall, the conversation underscores the need for innovative insurance solutions that can adapt to modern challenges and provide comprehensive coverage in the face of increasing natural disasters and underinsurance issues.

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Paul VanderMarck is the Chief Technology and Innovation Officer of SageSure, leading the development of its proprietary technology platform and adopting new technologies to continue to advance the user experience. Previously, Paul was a managing director at boutique investment bank Financial Technology Partners, where he worked with a wide range of high-growth businesses across the insurtech landscape on capital raising and mergers and acquisitions. He previously spent 25 years as Chief Product Officer and as a member of the leadership team that grew Risk Management Solutions (RMS) from a startup into a $300 million revenue business while creating an entirely new market and transforming the way that the global insurance industry manages catastrophe risk. He holds a bachelor’s degree in civil engineering and a master’s degree in structural engineering, both from Stanford University.

Episode SummaryThis interview discusses innovative strategies in the insurance industry, particularly focusing on proactive customer engagement and the use of technology to enhance claims processing. Here are the key points:

  • Proactive Outreach: The company emphasizes the importance of reaching out to customers after catastrophic events, rather than waiting for claims to be filed. This approach aims to provide timely assistance and mitigate potential damages.
  • Use of Technology: The integration of AI and aerial imagery allows the company to identify damaged properties quickly after disasters. This technology enables them to prioritize outreach to affected customers, even those who may still be evacuated.
  • Claims Management: The discussion highlights the need to eliminate inefficiencies in claims processing, often referred to as "leakage." By using innovative solutions, the company aims to reduce unnecessary costs while ensuring that customers receive fair treatment during the claims process.
  • Market Adaptation: The company has successfully navigated challenging market conditions, including inflation and increased reinsurance costs, by providing valuable products to agents and maintaining a strong growth trajectory.
  • Customer Satisfaction: The video underscores the importance of customer satisfaction, particularly in claims handling. Engaging with customers during claims processes can lead to higher satisfaction rates, which is crucial for the company's reputation and success.

Overall, the episode presents a forward-thinking approach to insurance, focusing on technology, customer engagement, and operational efficiency to improve service delivery and maintain competitiveness in a challenging market.

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David Worldon is the Founder of Accelerated Innovation, a boutique management consultancy specialising in insurance innovation. Last year they saved Australia’s largest insurers half a million dollars in fees and shaved a full year off their growth timelines. David has recently published the 2025 General Insurance Innovation Report, assessing and ranking how Australia’s largest insurers are innovating to address key industry challenges such as climate change, underinsurance, and rising premiums. His goal is to save leaders $20m in fees and 40 years of waiting to get shit done.

David is also the host of Accelerated Innovation's Innovation Insider podcast, which is available at https://acceleratedinnovation.com.au/innovation-insider/

Episode SummaryThe video features a discussion centered around the Australian insurance market, highlighting its unique dynamics, challenges, and opportunities for innovation. Here are the key points:

  • Market Dynamics: The Australian insurance market is characterized by a high level of concentration, with a significant portion of the market share held by a few major players. This concentration influences competition and innovation within the industry.
  • Regulatory Environment: The industry is highly regulated, with recent interventions aimed at addressing systemic issues, particularly following a Royal Commission that scrutinized the sector for malpractice. This has led to a culture of risk aversion among insurers.
  • Innovation Focus: There is a growing emphasis on innovation, particularly in risk mitigation and preparing for natural disasters. Insurers are shifting their strategies to not only rebuild after disasters but to enhance infrastructure and resilience for future events.
  • Collaboration and Growth: Insurers are beginning to collaborate more effectively with each other and with government entities to address challenges such as underinsurance and protection gaps. This collaborative approach is seen as a pathway to strengthening the market.
  • Future Outlook: The discussion suggests a positive outlook for the next five to ten years, with expectations of increased appetite for risk and innovation. The market is viewed as ripe for new entrants, particularly global digital players, which could disrupt traditional distribution models.
  • Personal vs. Commercial Lines: Innovation is more pronounced in personal lines of insurance, particularly through direct sales channels. The commercial lines are slower to innovate, focusing primarily on enhancing broker experiences.

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As one of the first Insurtech operators turned investor, Dave leads OMERS Ventures Insurtech portfolio which includes investments in well-known players such as Clearcover, Foresight, WeFox and Joyn.

Most recently at Hippo as VP of Growth, Dave oversaw the company's execution and strategy around Smart Home and emerging products. Dave's journey in Insurtech started in 2017 while at Comcast Xfinity where he designed a distribution partnership with Hippo to sell homeowners insurance to Comcast’s 30M+ customers. In that role Dave secured his P&C license and set up a national agency. Dave was also part of the team at Comcast that led Hippo’s $25M Series B in 2018. Additionally, Dave has founded and led several technology startups giving him a deep understanding of the challenges faced by entrepreneurs.

Dave is passionate about the intersection of technology and insurance and is a firm believer that we are in the early stages of what will be a watershed moment for the sector. He is an active writer and speaker on the industry. Dave also is a Board Director of Joyn Insurance and a Board Observer for Clearcover, Foresight and WeFox as we well multiple Fintech investments.

Dave has a BA in Policy Studies from Dickinson College in Carlisle, PA. He is also a licensed P&C insurance agent.

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In this episode, we dive into the evolving landscape of InsurTech with insights from Dave Wechsler, a seasoned entrepreneur and venture capitalist. The discussion covers the challenges and opportunities within the insurance industry, particularly in the context of technological advancements and market dynamics.


Guest Background:

  • Dave's journey through various startups and their transition into the venture capital world.
  • Insights into the role of technology in transforming traditional insurance practices.
  • Dave started the InsurTech Rap weekly podcast because of his feeling of the importance of networking and collaboration among industry professionals.

Current Trends in InsurTech:

  • The impact of AI and machine learning on underwriting and claims processing.
  • Discussion on the shift from legacy systems to modern, tech-driven solutions.
  • Embracing Experimentation: The willingness to experiment and learn from failures is crucial for success in the InsurTech space. As [Guest Name] noted, traditional companies often lack the flexibility to innovate, making it essential for startups to leverage their agility.
  • The Role of AI: Artificial intelligence is reshaping the landscape, offering new tools and capabilities that can enhance underwriting processes and customer engagement. However, it also presents challenges as new entrants can disrupt established players with more advanced solutions.

Challenges for Entrepreneurs:

  • Navigating the complexities of entering new markets and the importance of adaptability.
  • The significance of building a strong brand and community in the InsurTech sector.

Future Outlook:

  • Predictions for the InsurTech landscape in the coming years, including the role of blockchain and smart contracts.
  • The necessity for established companies to innovate and embrace new technologies to stay competitive.

Resources Mentioned:

  • insurtechrap.com
  • Join the show live every Thursday at 2 PM EST for more discussions on InsurTech trends and insights.

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What will the future of our industry look like, and what does that mean for today's Claims professionals? How can adjusters and others prepare for changing dynamics and increasing complexity?

Join Bryan Falchuk as he hosts a panel featuring audience questions on the dynamics and technology shaping where insurance is headed.

The panel includes:

  • Erik Bahnsen, Director, Industry Analytics, CCC Intelligent Solutions
  • Ramón Lopez, President, Claim Assist Solutions
  • David S. Milton, Founder & CEO, TelaClaims

This discussion was recorded live on April 1st at the 2025 PLRB Claims Conference in Indianapolis, Indiana, and was held right after the panelists shared this views on how things like AI are changing the ways claims can be handled – not just in the future, but right now.

Episode SummaryThe panel discussion explores the integration of AI in the insurance industry, particularly in claims processing and adjuster workflows. It highlights AI's role in enhancing efficiency and accuracy while acknowledging the challenges of implementation, such as sentiment analysis. The discussion emphasizes AI as a supportive tool that allows adjusters to focus on complex decision-making, ultimately transforming their roles without replacing human expertise.

Key Points

  • AI Integration in Claims ProcessingAI is being increasingly integrated into claims processing to enhance efficiency and accuracy. It helps in tasks such as peer review of claims, identifying overlaps, and performing complex calculations, which traditionally required manual effort.
  • Challenges and OpportunitiesAI offers significant potential, there are challenges in its implementation. For example, attempts to use AI for sentiment analysis in customer interactions were not successful, highlighting the complexity of accurately interpreting human emotions.
  • Future of Adjuster RolesThe role of adjusters is expected to evolve with AI taking over routine tasks, allowing adjusters to focus on more complex decision-making. This shift is anticipated to lower entry barriers and enable more people to enter the field.
  • Policyholder ExpectationsThere is a continuous increase in policyholder expectations, which AI can help meet by providing faster and more accurate service. However, the industry still faces challenges in fully aligning technology capabilities with these expectations.
  • AI as a Tool, Not a ReplacementAI is viewed as a tool to assist rather than replace human decision-making. It operates within set guidelines and is used to support decisions, especially in high-stakes scenarios like large claims.

ConclusionOverall, the discussion highlights the transformative potential of AI in the insurance industry while acknowledging the ongoing challenges and the need for human expertise in complex situations.

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Sarah Russell is the founder and managing director of Project Bellwether. Her career has evolved from healthcare into technology more broadly. She is a startup founder, tech executive, and practicing physician working at the nexus of business, planetary health, and machine learning.

After founding her first company, she spent the next decade transitioning between entrepreneurial roles and executive management in large organizations such as the VA and Google.

Currently, she is focused on understanding our changing natural world and the implications for businesses, states, and communities. At X, The Moonshot Factory, she leads a team of senior-level experts working on complex machine learning problems, using earth observation data and imagining new categories of business.

Highlights from the Show

  1. Understanding Climate Risks
    • The impact of climate change on severe weather events.
    • The insurance industry's responsibility in addressing these challenges.
  2. Focus on Wildfires
    • The growing concern of wildfires and their implications for insurers.
    • Development of targeted solutions to manage wildfire risks.
  3. Innovative Products
    • Bellwether Predict A forecasting tool for severe weather probabilities.
    • Bellwether Rapid Response Aerial imagery technology for quick damage assessment post-disaster.
    • Bellwether Insure A product designed to help insurers understand and manage wildfire risk accumulation.
  4. Absolute Risk Scores
    • Introduction of absolute risk scores for more accurate risk assessments.
    • Comparison with traditional relative risk categorizations.
  5. Future Aspirations
    • Vision for predicting interactions between the natural world and built environments.
    • The role of advanced data analytics and machine learning in transforming risk management.
  6. Collaboration in the Industry
    • The importance of collaboration among insurers to effectively tackle climate risks.
    • Potential benefits of an integrated approach for communities facing natural disasters.

Conclusion: This episode highlights the significant challenges climate change poses to the insurance industry, particularly regarding wildfires. We explored innovative solutions like advanced forecasting tools and rapid response technologies that enhance disaster preparedness. By utilizing absolute risk scores and data analytics, insurers can make informed decisions to better protect communities. Collaboration within the industry is essential for effectively addressing these challenges and building a more resilient future.

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Chris is the CEO of Scout InsurTech, a premier network connecting insurance professionals, startups, and innovators to shape the industry's future. Scout's mission is to drive a comprehensive understanding of the companies impacting P&C, Life, and Health and to identify, engage, and profile these innovative companies as they evolve from early concepts to high-growth players.

Chris is a multi-time founder with a background that spans the physical sciences, high-tech product development, and the development and delivery of modern AI solutions across the insurance industry. He is also a frequent speaker on innovation, AI, and insurance technology.

When not working, Chris can be found at one of Scout’s many networking events at the local CrossFit gym, or at home with his wife and four children, lost in a book.

Highlights from the Show

  • The mission of Scout focuses on building private paid membership communities across various cities to foster local engagement and innovation in the insurance sector.
  • Community Engagement:
    • Scount organizes events in different cities, aiming to connect local professionals and provide opportunities for deeper community engagement.
    • Each community hosts an annual event to facilitate networking and collaboration among industry leaders.
  • Startup Support:
    • Chris explains Scout's startup program, which helps early-stage companies connect with major carriers and brokerages.
    • The program includes virtual showcases and opportunities for startups to present their innovations to industry stakeholders.
  • Building Relationships:
    • The conversation touches on the significance of community and purpose in business, contrasting it with transactional models that may lack engagement.
    • Chris expresses his commitment to fostering a supportive environment for innovation and collaboration within the insurance ecosystem.
  • Scout is hosting their two-day conference in Columbus, Ohio on June 17-18, 2025, where various startups will showcase their solutions.

Conclusion:
 This episode provides valuable insights into the evolving landscape of the insurance industry and the role of community in driving innovation. Tune in to learn more about how Scout is shaping the future of insurance through collaboration and engagement.

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Melbourne O’Banion is Bestow's CEO and co-founder, guiding the company’s vision to modernize the life insurance industry. Melbourne is also a co-founder of BeautyBio and a founding member of Presidio Title, Texas's leading title insurance agency. He serves on the National Advisory Council for BYU’s Marriott School of Management and Southern Methodist University’s Tate Lecture Series board. Melbourne earned a degree in Finance and Ancient Near Eastern Studies from BYU and resides in Dallas, Texas, with his family.

Highlights from the Show

  • Founding Vision: Bestow was founded with the goal of bringing modern technology to the life insurance sector, which has historically lagged behind other insurance types in terms of digitization.
  • Market Evolution: The rapid modernization of property and casualty insurance compared to life insurance, emphasizing the potential for growth in cross-selling and bundling products.
  • Strategic Shifts: The company initially focused on direct-to-consumer (DTC) sales but pivoted to enterprise solutions, recognizing a larger market opportunity in partnering with established carriers.
  • Technology as an Enabler: How technology is transforming the underwriting process, making it more efficient and allowing carriers to launch products faster.
  • Role of Agents: Contrary to fears of agents being replaced by technology, Melbourne believes that agents will continue to play a crucial role, especially as tools become more sophisticated and user-friendly.
  • Future of Life Insurance: The conversation touches on the future of life insurance, with a focus on specialization and the need for carriers to modernize their offerings to meet evolving consumer needs.

Overall Takeaways

  • Importance of Adaptation: Companies in the insurance space must adapt to technological advancements to remain competitive and meet customer expectations.
  • Collaboration Over Competition: Partnering with technology providers can enhance a carrier's capabilities and streamline operations, rather than trying to build everything in-house.
  • Consumer-Centric Approach: Understanding the consumer journey is vital for developing effective insurance products and services.
  • Growth Potential: There is significant room for growth in the life insurance market, particularly through innovative digital solutions that simplify the purchasing process.

Conclusion: This episode provides valuable insights into the intersection of technology and the insurance industry, highlighting how companies like Bestow are leading the charge in modernizing life insurance for a new generation of consumers.

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Daniel P. Aldrich was born in upstate New York and spent his childhood (and much of his adult life) traveling and living abroad. While living in Tokyo, Japan, he began to wonder how Japan - the only country to suffer the effects of atomic weaponry - could have built up such an advanced nuclear power program. He wrote up his observations in the book SITE FIGHTS published by Cornell University Press. In 2005 he and his family had their home, car, and all of their material possessions in New Orleans destroyed by Hurricane Katrina and began studying what makes communities and neighborhoods more resilient. He published BUILDING RESILIENCE to share these insights on the role of friends, neighbors, and social cohesion after crisis. After Japan was hit by the devastating triple disasters of an earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear meltdown, Aldrich wrote BLACK WAVE about the factors that helped people and communities bounce back.

Highlights from the Show

  1. Understanding Resilience: Daniel Aldrich discusses the concept of resilience, particularly in the context of community recovery after disasters. He emphasizes the importance of community involvement in recovery efforts, rather than solely relying on market or state solutions.
  2. Market and State Dynamics: The conversation explores the interplay between market forces and state interventions in disaster recovery. Aldrich highlights the failures of traditional insurance models in the face of increasing disaster frequency due to climate change.
  3. Impact of Climate Change: The episode addresses the rising frequency and severity of meteorological disasters, linking them to climate change. Aldrich presents data showing a shift from years between significant events to mere months, indicating a new norm in disaster occurrences.
  4. Community Networks: Aldrich shares personal experiences that shaped his understanding of resilience, particularly how community networks provided support during crises when institutional help was lacking.
  5. Behavioral Shifts in Insurance:The discussion touches on how rising insurance costs are leading to behavioral changes among homeowners, with many opting to drop coverage due to affordability issues. This trend could lead to a cascading failure in the insurance market.
  6. Future of Disaster Preparedness: Aldrich emphasizes the need for innovative approaches to disaster preparedness, including rethinking zoning laws and construction practices to better suit the realities of climate change.

Overall Takeaways

  • Community Resilience is Crucial: Effective recovery from disasters relies heavily on community support and involvement, rather than just market or government solutions.
  • Insurance Models Need Reform: Current insurance models are inadequate for the increasing risks posed by climate change, necessitating a reevaluation of how insurance operates in high-risk areas.
  • Rising Disaster Frequency: The data indicates a significant increase in the frequency of disasters, which requires urgent attention and action from both policymakers and communities.
  • Behavioral Changes in Coverage: Homeowners are increasingly dropping insurance coverage due to rising costs, which could lead to broader market failures.
  • Innovative Solutions Required: There is a pressing need for new strategies in urban planning and disaster preparedness to address the challenges posed by climate change effectively.

Conclusion: This episode provides valuable insights into the intersection of technology and the insurance industry, highlighting how companies like Bestow are leading the charge in modernizing life insurance for a new generation of consumers.

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Andrew joined QBE as Group Chief Executive Officer in September 2021. With a strong focus on bringing the enterprise together, Andrew has driven performance consistency and progress towards QBE’s vision to become the most consistent and innovative risk partner. He was previously the CEO, and before that the Finance Director, of Beazley Group, a specialist international insurer based in the United Kingdom. Prior to this, he held various senior finance roles in ING, NatWest and Lloyds Bank. Andrew’s career in insurance and banking spans more than 30 years and he has extensive experience across international markets.

Highlights from the Show

  1. Sustainable Profitable Growth
    • Andrew emphasizes the importance of sustainable growth in the insurance industry, highlighting the need for a balanced approach to risk and pricing models.
    • He discusses the pitfalls of rapid growth without considering long-term consequences, stressing that growth should be managed sensibly.
  2. Innovation and Client Focus
    • The conversation touches on the necessity for the insurance industry to listen to clients and innovate based on their needs.
    • Andrew mentions QBE's commitment to integrating innovation within the company, ensuring that all teams are aligned with customer needs.
  3. Mitigation Strategies
    • Andrew discusses the need for the insurance industry to adapt to new normals, particularly in the context of natural disasters【4:2†source】.
    • He advocates for building back better after catastrophic events, rather than simply restoring properties to their previous state.
  4. Market Viability and Affordability
    • The episode explores the challenges of maintaining market viability amidst rising costs and the need for affordable insurance.
    • Andrew reflects on the balance between providing coverage and ensuring that it remains accessible to clients.
  5. Diversification and Growth Opportunities
    • Andrew discusses the importance of diversification in insurance offerings, particularly in niche markets.
    • He highlights QBE's strategy of exploring smaller, specialized markets that can contribute to overall growth.

Overall Takeaways

  • Balance is Key: Sustainable growth in insurance requires a careful balance of risk management and innovation.
  • Client-Centric Approach: Listening to clients and adapting to their needs is crucial for long-term success in the insurance industry.
  • Proactive Mitigation: The industry must focus on proactive strategies to mitigate risks associated with natural disasters and changing environments.
  • Affordability Matters: Ensuring that insurance remains affordable is essential for maintaining market viability.
  • Embrace Diversification: Exploring niche markets and diversifying offerings can lead to meaningful growth opportunities.

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PROJECT 55 is a community that empowers both individuals and organizations to proactively improve mental health outcomes in the workplace.

By providing actionable information, insightful discussions, and collective learning; we empower individuals to prioritize their well-being and build inclusive workplaces that challenge the stigma of mental health struggles.

Co-founders Justin Goodman and Brenden Corr join the show to talk about how they're working to support employee mental health within and around the insurance industry.

Highlights from the Show

  • We dive deep into the critical topic of mental health within the insurance industry, featuring Brendan Core and Justin, the founders of Project 55.
  • They share their personal journeys, the inspiration behind Project 55, and the importance of fostering open conversations about mental health in the workplace.
  • Project 55 has a mission to change the perception of mental health in the insurance industry.
  • Brendan shares his personal story of sobriety and how it shaped his perspective on mental health.
  • Justin shares his experiences and the challenges he faced with mental health, leading to the creation of Project 55.
  • The stigma surrounding mental health discussions in the workplace and the need for open dialogue.
  • The lack of resources and training for agency owners and employees to address mental health issues effectively.
  • The importance of creating a supportive environment where employees feel safe to discuss their struggles.
  • The upcoming launch of mental health first responder training and how it aims to equip individuals with the tools to support their colleagues.
  • The role of community in mental health recovery and the creation of a supportive online platform for individuals to connect and share experiences.
  • Brendan and Justin emphasize the importance of addressing mental health openly and creating a culture of support within the insurance industry. Their commitment to Project 55 aims to make a significant impact on the lives of many individuals struggling with mental health issues.
  • Visit Project55.org, A platform for resources, community support, and upcoming training information.

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Tim Dillahunt is the head of personal lines underwriting at the Hanover Insurance group. He is diverse insurance professional with an Underwriting, Marketing and Sales leadership background. Over 25 years of experience at some of the country's leading P&C Companies.

Highlights from the Show

  • When a pipe leaks, a hose breaks or some other preventable source of water damage to your home leads to a claim, you can rebuild, but you can never fully recover because of the likely loss of things like family photos and other personally valuable items. And while your insurer can cover the cost of fixing the damage, the emotional toll of being out of your home and dealing with the situation and uncertainty around it is also not something you can recover. That’s why Tim talks not just about the clear financial savings of using water leak detection and shutoff sensors, but also the innumerable personal savings that come with it.
  • Stopping claims by identifying water leaks proactively saves money for everyone. It can reduce the size of claims, reducing costs for insurers and helping insureds keep their rates from increasing. It keeps businesses open because they don’t need to close their facilities due to water damage or construction. And it reduces the overall cost to insure a pool of risks, helping keep rates lower for everyone. Tim talks about the many ways people and businesses can save from the use of simple water leak detection devices and help control one of the few forms of property claims we cannot easily control, unlike things like wind, flood, hail and wildfire.
  • What kinds of tools can you use to reduce your risk of having a homeowners claim because of a leak or burst pipe? Tim shares ideas from the most basic – a simple sensor that clips onto a pipe and can spot whether you have a slow leak or more catastrophic failure. You may be aware of a burst pipe without the sensor, but slow leaks often happen behind walls and in other hidden places you only notice once they’ve really spread, and may have lead to mold and other issues that are harder to contend with. And you could have avoided the whole thing with a simple solution.
  • What happens with a pipe bursts in a home or business? What about a museum. Tim shares their first hand experience when a museum that had leak detection sensors installed was able to act immediately when a pipe burst, shutting off the water and mopping up what got out before it ruined any of their extremely valuable artwork and other items. And while there may be a monetary value to the lost items, many may be irreplaceable – like family photos or heirlooms if the same thing happened in your home.
  • Water leak detection sensors can be simple and low-cost. A typical home may need $100 in sensors and $100 in monitoring services for those sensors. But what about the cost of a pipe or washing machine water hose leaking in your home? The Hanover sees that these claims average $7,000-10,000 or more, and could have all been avoided.
  • Why does Tim say, “Water sensors are the new smoke alarms”? About 40% of non-weather loss costs are caused by water. It is the single biggest cause of loss than any other non-weather cause. And yet less than 17% of homes have any type of water sensor, while 80%+ have smoke alarms despite those homes being 6-7x more likely to have a water loss than a fire.
  • Because of all of this, Tim is on a mission to educate people to change that 17% and stop people from suffering these losses.
  • Tim wants everyone to look at the educational resources they've made available on their site at https://www.hanover.com/individuals/customer-resources/proactive-protection-against-water-damage

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Ryan Vigus leads CSAA Insurance Group’s personal lines products, including auto, home, umbrella, and pet. His team develops and manages insurance products and product experiences that serve the needs of AAA Members. Ryan’s responsibilities include Product Strategy and Development, Product Management, Actuarial, and Data Science. CSAA Insurance Group is a AAA insurer that serves AAA Members in 23 states and the District of Columbia.

Ryan has served on the board of directors and various committees for the Insurance Institute for Business and Homes Safety (IBHS) since 2018 and currently serves as the chair of the board of directors.

He has a master’s degree in applied mathematics from Bowling Green State University (Ohio) and is a Fellow of the Casualty Actuarial Society.

Highlights from the Show

  • California is a massive economy that has had a history of difficult insurance situations. Back in the day, Auto Insurance became a problem, with rates jumping and profitability suffering. California’s insurers looked to Homeowners to make up the difference to remain profitable. And then the wildfire situation changed dramatically, putting great pressure on the industry, leaving many with the need to dramatically increase rates, pull out of the state, or both.
  • Homeowners Associations often put in place rules to govern how homes in the development look to uphold standards and consistency across homes. But what happens when those standards are at odds with the decisions that make a home more resilient to things like hail, hurricanes or wildfire? Can you install a better roof, plant different vegetation (or remove it), etc., if it means your home will still be standing when others may not? Colorado has made laws that ensure HOAs cannot restrict a homeowner from doing something that makes their home safer from losses like hail or wildfire.
  • If your home falls victim to a flood or hail damage, and your insurer pays to repair the damage, what if there was a way to enhance how you rebuild so your house is less likely to suffer a loss in the future? Wouldn’t the time to make such upgrades be when you’re working on those items anyway, like upgrading the type of roofing materials you use when replacing a roof destroyed by hail? That’s not how insurance works today. But what if it could be? Ryan shares an interesting perspective as we discussed ways to combat the spiraling cost of buying homeowners insurance by homeowners and providing it to them by insurers.
  • What can you do to materially impact the chance a home suffers a loss in a weather-related event like a hurricane, flood, hail storm or wildfire?At PLRB, we see the impact of better building codes on losses, and many areas have seen the benefit in how newer construction stands up to these weather events. Ryan discusses one hold up to making your home more resilient at a cost to the homeowner is the availability of subsidized insurance through state FAIR plans that allows people to still get coverage at a low enough cost to discourage investing in hardening your home to loss. This may be contributing to some of the issue states like California have in insurance affordability and viability.
  • What is the long-term solution to making insurance affordable to buy and viable for insurers to sell? Do we have an insurance affordability problem? In California, Ryan believes we don’t. Instead, he says we have a “homes burning down” problem, and we in the insurance industry need to stretch beyond our traditional role of paying after a loss to thinking about how we stop the losses upfront and facilitate that.

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Dawn Walker is an associate director, Industry Relations (DUAE) in AM Best’s Strategy and Communications department. Dawn has more than 15 years of insurance industry and risk management experience, and joined AM Best in 2022, initially serving as a senior financial analyst, conducting performance assessments for Delegated Underwriting Authority Enterprises.

Previously, Dawn as a senior risk management analyst at MacAndrews & Forbes Inc., a global mergers and acquisitions firm in New York City. She also previously served as a senior account executive for Alliant Insurance Services, serving its ultra-high net worth book of business.

Dawn received her MBA degree with a concentration in Enterprise Risk Management at St. John’s University. She graduated Cum Laude earning a Bachelor of Law degree from the University of Arizona. She holds a Property & Casualty and Life & Health Broker’s license, has earned an Associate in Risk management (ARM) designation and is actively pursuing a Charter Property Casualty Underwriter’s designation.

Highlights from the Show

  • AM Best is known for many things, but mainly for the assessments and ratings they perform on players across the insurance industry.
  • For the Delegated Underwriting Authority Enterprise (DUAE) space in particular, they are bringing transparency to help drive continued growth not only of the DUAE segment, but the product innovation that goes on within it.
  • The level of growth in the delegated underwriting authority space has been huge, getting to $77B in the US alone, and making up 10% of the P&C market globally.
  • The key areas they look at when assessing DUAEs includes Operations, UW Capabilities, Governance and Controls, Financials and Corporate Structure.
  • This analysis helps bring transparency to the sector to help facilitate partnerships while also giving DUAEs a blueprint for how to optimize their operations for growth, stability and, ultimately, success
  • Why do insurers work with Delegated Underwriting Authority Enterprises (DUAEs), like MGAs and MGUs? Can’t they just compete in the market directly?
  • DUAEs bring expertise in niches and market segments that incumbent carriers may not be able to build efficiently given their scale, and the relative size of these niches being too small to support the operational cost of a carrier. DUAEs often come with expertise and distribution in the segment, allowing carriers working with them to access new spaces efficiently, quickly and profitably.
  • What can support or stand in the way of the success of a Delegated Underwriting Authority Enterprises (DUAEs), like MGAs and MGUs? AM Best performs assessments of these entities to bring transparency to key success factors insurers would look at when deciding whether to work with a DUAE or not.

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Curtis Goldsborough is the President of National Insurance Inspection Services, an evolving technology and field service provider for P&C underwriting, based in Fresno, CA. He cut his teeth in insurance as an agency owner with Farm Bureau Insurance of Michigan, where he became acutely aware of the friction and pain points associated with underwriting inspections. In 2013, he joined National Insurance Inspection Services on a quest to forge a better path forward for personal lines underwriting. Curtis was instrumental in the development and launch of the NIIS self-inspection app and workflow, which is now in production environments with over 18 carriers and MGAs around the country, including three of the top ten P&C carriers in the United States. In his not-so-spare time, Curtis produces insurance video content on LinkedIn under the moniker of LO$$ RATIO, with a goal to engage, educate, entertain and inspire insurance professionals around the world. Highlights from the Show

  • Curtis shares about his work to increase education and understanding through his content is trying to help.
  • His main work is as President of National Insurance Inspection Services, who not only helps carriers by performing underwriting inspections, but also developed a self-inspection app that carriers have embraced to increase their understanding of the risks they write and help homeowners reduce the risk they face.
  • Insurers don’t get it right on every claim. Yet Curtis believes the industry as a whole does not systematically or intentionally get it wrong, despite the popular narrative in the media. There is a general lack of understanding and education out there that is degrading the general public’s sense of the insurance industry and the role it plays in the economy driven by the widespread, negative narrative that is not unlike the narrative that drives engagement in so many other areas. Negativity gets eyeballs and keeps them much better than positivity.
  • Regardless of what drove the current situation with the cost of homeowners insurance and the insufficiency of rates, blame won’t solve the problem. That’s been the driving force behind the work Curtis does under the name “LO$$ RATIO”, including his viral raps and memes. As homeowners continue to struggle to find and afford coverage in many parts of the US and carriers struggle to sell insurance at an economically viable rate, Curtis hopes more understanding and conversation helps change the situation.
  • What if insurers allocated even a small proportion of the overall ad spend of the industry to educate consumers and help improve some of the public perception of the insurance industry, and the knock on effect that has on issues like social inflation. That’s the dream Curtis has to help drive the necessary shift in the negative dynamic we are struggling with today.

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At Plug and Play, Andres has directed his passion for innovation towards P&C Insurtech. Helping some of the largest carriers and brokers navigate the technology ecosystem and bringing projects to life. Having participated in multiple investments, he focuses on creating value through infrastructure, optimization, and digitization. With a unique background in world-class restaurants as a former 3 Michelin star chef and having launched 2 startups, Andres brings a keen eye for detail, unquestionable creativity, and a passion for bringing projects from 0 to 1. Andres holds a master’s degree in entrepreneurship by Uppsala University and a BSc in Gastronomic Sciences and Culinary Arts from Mondragon University. Graduating Cum Laude and top 5% percentile in both of them. Highlights from the Show

  • Andres shares what Plug and Play does for startups. Beyond just investing, they run programs to help startups find commercial success, even if they aren’t portfolio companies and without having to give up equity – both of which are critical to new companies trying to build their business in the insurance industry.
  • AI is obviously a specific topic Plug and Play is looking at, whether that’s at ITC or outside of it.
  • Rather than going after the type of buzz generating solutions we hear about like Anthropic or OpenAI, they are specifically thinking about different layers of the tech stack.
  • That includes the foundation layer, like one of their portfolio companies, Archetype, built the foundation for an IoT solution.
  • Andres shared some tips for founders, the biggest one centering around Patience.
    • The speed of change (and sales cycles) in insurance is very long, so you need to have the patience and runway to survive if you want to build something in the industry.

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Mark Holweger is President and CEO of Legal & General America’s insurance division, which includes operating companies Banner Life Insurance Company and William Penn Life Insurance Company of New York. He is responsible for the day-to-day operations of the business, ensuring service excellence, continued distribution expansion and achievement of the digital transformation strategy. In 2011, he joined Legal & General Group in the UK where he held a number of senior level positions including Managing Director, Partnerships for Legal & General Insurance and Director of Broker and Intermediary for Legal & General’s General Insurance business. In 2018, Mark relocated to the US as Executive Vice President of Distribution and Marketing for Legal & General America. Prior to joining Legal & General, Mark was a co-founder of Coverwise.com, an International digital insurance broker, and held various senior roles at other insurers including RSA Insurance Group UK where he was Distribution Director for Emerging markets and AXA Insurance UK where he was Director of Corporate Partnerships. Mark is an economics graduate and Chartered Insurer. He lives with his wife Rachel in Potomac, MD and has two daughters. Highlights from the Show

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Magdalena is a Senior Director and Global InsurTech Innovation Leader at WTW’s Insurance Consulting and Technology (ICT). She leads ICT’s inorganic growth strategy as well as its interaction with the external insurtech ecosystem globally. She joined the firm as a Senior Economist at Watson Wyatt’s Research and Innovation Center in 2005. She has 20+ years of experience in R&D and international strategy consulting and was WTW’s Global Head of Research and Analytical Services. Magda holds a M.Sc. in math. Finance and a PhD in Quantitative Economics and Finance. She also holds a professional certificate on Innovation from the MIT Professional Education Program.

For the past 10 years she has been solely focused on innovation and strategic consulting for the Insurance Industry, especially around digital transformation, advanced analytics, blockchain, emerging risks and #insurtech.

She was among the first to publish and discuss blockchain in the context of insurance and has focused almost exclusively on helping the insurance industry to understand and deploy new technologies since 2014. She is a well-recognized thought leader in insurtech and the implications of new technologies for the risk transfer industry. She has been a prolific public speaker in the past 10 years and in the past couple of years alone, Magda has had over 100 public speaking engagements specific to insurtech and blockchain at various international conferences and summits. She has also published multiple articles, blogs, interviews and audio/visual media on the topic. She sees herself as a blockchain and technology governance crusader and devotes significant time to educational activities, ranging from workshops for executives to sessions at elementary schools and trainings to empower #womenintech.

Her main areas of expertise include blockchain, technology and innovation, advanced analytics, MNC internationalization and innovation strategies, emerging markets, global governance, macroeconomic and socio-political risks.

Further, Magdalena has 14 years of teaching experience at European (Germany, UK) and Latin American universities. She also led many research projects for multilateral organizations on microinsurance, financial inclusion and innovation, including pre-2009 projects on alternative currencies.

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Wesley is CEO and Co-Founder of Sola Insurance based in Atlanta, GA. Wesley comes from a tech background and jumped into the insurance industry at a flood insurance startup where he was tasked with working on the data side with private and FEMA flood maps. Realizing this data was telling us exactly where the damage is, Wesley became obsessed with how data can be used to automatically trigger an insurance claim payout. Sola is starting with supplemental tornado coverage for homeowners but plans to expand into every type of natural disaster to help people cover their deductible and immediate expenses. Sola has already been approved in 15 states as the first ever admitted personal lines parametric product, is fully reinsured through Lloyd’s of London, and has partnered with hundreds of insurance agencies across the Midwest and Southeast. Highlights from the Show

  • Wesley came on the show in Season 5 to share more of Sola's story, so be sure to listen to that for more background
  • They recently launched a Wind & Hail product that like a hybrid Parametric/Indemnity proiduct in that it is data-triggered, but has validation of the loss through on-site inspection
  • Their product speaks directly to an issue many insurers and homeowners are facing where providing traditional coverage is no longer financially viable yet homeowners are struggling to afford even high-deductible offerings that leave them excessively exposed – and mortgage lenders aren't comfortable with the coverage gap being created
  • Sola's Wind & Hail product is cheaper than the money most homeowners would save by increasing their Wind & Hail deductible if they live in a hail-prone area, meaning they can get back to more complete coverage while saving money over what that coverage would have cost otherwise

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Dennis is general manager of insurance at Intuit Credit Karma, where he oversees the company’s fast-growing business unit that encompasses auto, life, home and renters insurance for Credit Karma’s more than 120 million U.S. members. Dennis joined Credit Karma through the acquisition of Zendrive, which will enable Credit Karma to accelerate Karma Drive, the company’s usage-based insurance product. At Zendrive, Dennis served as CEO where he oversaw the team and company strategy in pursuit of making roads safer through the power of data and analytics. Dennis is a seasoned technology professional, having held leadership roles at LiveRamp, Bertram Capital and Google X. Dennis holds an MBA from Stanford Business School and a bachelor’s degree from Virginia Tech. Highlights from the Show

  • Dennis joined Intuit Credit Karma through their acquisition of ZenDrive, where he was CEO
  • With credit being such a huge part of Auto insurance, it makes sense for a business like Credit Karma to be focused on the space, and help consumers manage their auto insurance rates and coverage as their credit score changes
  • Credit Karma is not exclusively set on Auto insurance, but thinks instead of areas where consumer education and support in navigating something complex can yield better outcomes for them, so there are other possibilities for the business in insurance down the road
  • One key thing to manage will be the issue of Privacy, which has been especially fraught in telematics and IoT-based coverage; Credit Karma thinks transparency and clarity are critical to be sure consumers always know where they stand when it comes to their data

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Bobbie is Chief Insurance Officer at Coterie - prior to this role, she was Coterie’s first VP of Distribution, and Chief Growth Officer. At Coterie, Bobbie oversees underwriting, capacity, distribution, marketing and agency experience. Prior to Coterie, Bobbie was the VP of Strategic Distribution at Grange Insurance, cultivating successful strategic partnerships with established, new and emerging distribution partners – with a strong focus on strategy and innovation. Bobbie started her insurance career as a Commercial Lines underwriter and manager at Society Insurance, and held leadership positions at QBE, SECURA, and Grange Insurance. Bobbie holds a BBA in Marketing & Human Resources from the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh. Highlights from the Show

  • Coterie is a Small Business-focused MGA offering core P&C products via agents, founded by David McFarland, who was on the show earlier in their journey to share their story
  • Bobbie Collies joined to lead up distribution, and her responsibilities expanded into her current position as Chief Insurance Officer
  • She gave an update of Coterie's business, including:
    • Evolved distribution efforts that are more focused, scalable and effective, with them now having onboarded 40,000 agents
    • Success in deploying APIs throughout the process, with 50% of transactions happening over API today (and growing)
    • The continued use of AI and ML in their business, which has always been very data and analytics-focused, but they look at new and better ways to evaluate risk and operate the business
    • Growth in average premium from $800 to $1800 over the past couple of years
  • ITC is a great chance for Coterie to meet with a lot of their agent partners to talk about planning for the year ago and to keep a pulse on new technologies and innovations that could move the market and support their business going forward.

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David Embry, CEO of Mylo, a digital, independent insurance broker that uses AI and people to connect clients with the right coverage for their needs. He is responsible for the overall vision and financial performance of the business as well as developing strategic partnerships. As a seasoned entrepreneur with 20+ years of experience leading financial and insurance companies, David brings deep expertise and innovation to Mylo. Previously President of SelectQuote Benefit Solutions and Managing Director at J.P. Morgan. Highlights from the Show

  • Mylo is a digital broker that was built from within a big, national broker, and today uses technology to match small business and individual insurance customers with coverage
  • They currently write about $4m in premium per month; 65% being small commercial, and the rest being personal lines, plus benefits for small businesses
  • They use AI to keep up with changes in coverage and appetite in real-time rather than having to manually recode their algorithms through some regular review process

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After ITC Vegas 2024, I had to do a quick recap of the themes that stood out to me, and what I took from it. Highlights from the Show

  • The winner for most-talked about buzzword? AI, obviously
  • The focus, however, was on AI for efficiency
  • An AI-enabled data company talked about the difficulty they have talking about improving UW results, so they only talk about efficiency when meeting with carriers, or they lose the audience (even though they have proof of positive L/R impact)
  • As an industry, I challenge all of us to actually push on the core of the business and not just go for the "easy" sell of efficiency

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While the show is on a break for a few weeks, I wanted to be sure you knew two things about ITC Las Vegas 2024:

  • You can save $200 on registration thanks to the deal I scored for my listeners! Just visit http://www.future-of-insurance.com/itc for the discount code and a link to register
  • If you're an insurance company executive, drop me a DM on LinkedIn if you'd like to be a guest on the show while I record in-person episodes at ITC on October 16th

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In this quick episode, I share that I need to take a break from releasing episodes for a few weeks as my schedule hasn't allowed me to do any new interviews, and, in place of a new episode, I recommend a show you need to be listening to - "What's the Scenario?" with plrb. To be in the insurance industry means understanding what insurance is all about and how complex the idea of coverage can be. Every week, the team at PLRB disucsses a coverage issue that came to them from across their members. The issues are really interesting, the discussion is rich and easy to follow, and it all just gives you a much better understanding of and appreciation for the work we do in insurance. You can listen to "What's the Scenario?" with plrb on your favorite podcast platform (Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Amazon, etc) or watch it on YouTube. This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance thought leadership series, available globally from Amazon in print, Kindle and Audible audiobook. Follow the podcast at future-of-insurance.com/podcast for more details and other episodes.

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I'm joined my Insurance and Underwriting veteran and thought leader, Nick Lamparelli, for this episode as we discuss the ideas in the new white paper I'm publishing, "The Economic Viability of Insurance," available starting today for free at http://www.future-of-insurance.com/profit. Highlights from the Show

  • The approaches we have been using to stresses on underwriting profit historically have been cutting costs (focusing on expenses), taking rate, pulling out of markets or segments
  • These approaches proved insufficient to deal with the scale of macro-level pressures insurers faced in 2023, and I would argue will continue to face going forward, like
    • Severe Convective Storms (SCS, or, mainly, hail) and other Natural Catastrophes driven by Climate Change
    • Social Inflation
    • Supply Chain and Labor Constraints
    • Inflation
    • and more
  • We should be looking at new approaches, including
    • How we think about and respond to risk – tools we use to understand risk, select it intelligently to compete on, and harden it when we do choose to offer coverage
    • Move to next-generation approaches to rating that are more dynamic, allowing us to stay ahead of the need for rate change rather than respond far too late and insufficiently
    • Rethinking the products we offer to cover what have been come extremely different exposures from the ones our current products were designed for
  • These solution can take the form of insurtech software or services; E&S/non-admitted product development; Parametric solutions to coverages no longer viable as indemnity products; and so much more
  • Now is the time to really engage in the idea of doing things differently as we are seeing increasing difficulty in aligning prices that are affordable to buy coverage at with prices that are economically viable to sell it at, meaning the market may begin to fail to clear
    • If that happens, other capital can come in and solve for the need for coverage, increasing the pressure insurers have seen on the decreasing percent of risks that are insured against (measured by NatCat losses that are insured vs. not), as one method)
  • Download the paper today, and share it with your network to get more people talking about how we can push our industry ahead.

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I shared some thoughts triggered by a recent conversation with an executive at an InsurTech solution provider who was voicing frustration with his perception that there seems to be a lot of talk that we are perfect or don't need to look to improve at many carriers. He was curious if this was my observation, as well, and what I thought we could do about it. One thing I know I can do is to talk about it, and help inspire all of you to push your organizations to be humble and honest so we can get back to truly achieving what's possible. Highlights from the Show

  • The biggest danger to our industry is hubris - the sense that are are good enough where we are, or that we're so great, we don't need to open our ears, eyes and minds to feedback and insights from customers, employees, partners and peers
  • I'm seeing more of this than I think we have a right to show, and it's holding the industry back
  • I liken it to a bank robber who robbed 10 banks last year, and 5 this year, holding up their great achievement as if that was an acceptable end state
  • Remember that we can and should respect our progress and improvement, but should never confuse that with being good enough to seizing on the true opportunity in front of us
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Adam Denninger leads Capgemini's global strategy for the insurance industry and manages its relationships with the insurance technology ecosystem. Adam has 20+ years' experience creating and delivering solutions at the intersection of business and technology.

He joins the show to share some of the perspective in their World Property and Casualty Insurance Report for 2024.

Highlights from the Show

  • A focus Adam shared is the idea of being effective in underwriting
    • This is a combination of accuracy and speed
    • That's about getting better data and being able to act on it faster than we have in the past
    • To achieve speed, it requires changing the entire process for evaluating underwriting performance, changing risk factors and inputs, and changing products rapidly
    • Making this change is like doing open heart surgery on a patient who is actively living their life rather than being anesthetized on an OR table
  • A major theme of Capgemini's research is the confluence of rapidly changing macro factors impacting losses
    • While each factor may have moved like this before, we haven't had so many factors moving at the same time to such an extent and at such speed
  • Adam believes the industry needs to come together to create accurate, easily-accessed data sources for common things we all need, like natural perils
  • Download Capgemini's World Property and Casualty Insurance Report 2024

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Edouard is the CEO of Stellantis Insurance, having spent his career building new ways to solving insurance-related needs globally. He is responsibility for creating insurance solutions to support Stellantis' growth objectives in their automotive business, where insurance can enable or hinder those aspirations. He formerly worked at Volvo and Stellantis' predecessor, PSA. He joins the show as he winds down his time leading Stellantis' efforts in Insurance, and on the back of a major announcement with Bolt on embedding auto insurance in the US market. We met over a year ago when we were part of research Capgemini was doing on the future of Mobility and its impact on insurance as part of their World Insurance Report in 2023, which Lars Boeing joined the show to discuss. I shared my work on the Future of Auto Insurance with Edouard, and was excited to bring him on the show to discuss his take on the question given his rich background in the space and being a key driver in where things are heading.

Highlights from the Show

  • Edouard began his insurance career while still in school, doing his master's dissertation on new entrants into insurance
  • That lead to a roll at Volvo Group to setup an insurance business, which then lead to a roll with PSA (now Stellantis) to build their insurance business
  • Why would car companies (OEMs) get into insurance?
    • Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) - if insurance for a given car model is too expensive, people won't buy your car, so OEMs want to work to control insurance cost as part of TCO
    • Diversification of Revenues - important in any business, and if you run it right, there's attractive margin in insurance
    • Opportunity - insurance is a way to demonstrate to consumers that you care, and the perception of most insurers is that they're against you rather than trying to pay your claims, so OEMs are well positioned to be the solution to that issue
  • But can OEMs succeed?
    • They're very well positioned with existing assets – brand name with high loyalty and affinity, logistics and supply chains, key purchasing moments, repair and distribution networks, deep understanding of the physical product being insured, etc.
    • They have the assets and resources, but the remaining challenge is execution
  • There's also a question of whether the OEM has to be the insurer, or simply partner with insurance providers and capacity
    • This depends on risk appetite, which is trickier in insurance since you don't know the cost of product until after it is sold
    • Stellantis has looked at multiple models, from building their own insurer to partnering with insurers to working with platforms like Bolttech in each of their global markets to meet local needs
  • Partnership matters because, even if you have your own insurer, you cannot and do not want to take every risk that comes in
    • Car dealers still need to make the sale, so they need solutions beyond an OEM's insurer to be sure they don't get forced to say "No" to a customer who needs coverage
  • We discussed whether OEM's push into subscription services means insurance mustbe part of the equation, but there are local regulations that need to be navigated that may not allow this, so Stellantis must have options for customers that could include an embedded insurance offering but has to include other paths
  • The technology we have to enable new pathways for OEMs to sell insurance are completely different than ever before
    • It's important for insurers to create far more technical capabilities to partner with OEMs as most insurers currently are not flexible enough for most OEM needs
  • You can get the report at future-of-insurance.com/capgemini2023
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Ian is the co-founder and CEO of Koffie Financial, a finsurtech platform purpose-built for the trucking and transportation industry. With insurance at its core, Koffie's instant and transparent financial services empower truckers with the modern tools and technology necessary to drive efficiency and safety. He is an entrepreneurial leader at the intersection of data, enterprise markets and geospatial analysis. Previously Ian served as founder/CEO of Urban Mapping, a web-based mapping platform he sold to Pitney Bowes in 2015. Customers included Tableau Software, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Kayak, IAC, CoStar Group.

He has also served in a senior role at a startup that acted as outsourced research for the financial services industry, focusing on alternative data to generate alpha for hedge funds.

Highlights from the Show

  • Ian has been a serial entrepreneur, including working in the mapping space and how powerful the meta data about locations, and how critical it is to have accuracy in the data
  • He went on to work on catastrophe exposures, with a specific focus on how geology impacts earthquake losses, which gave him more exposure to managing risk and the impact of loss
  • He was drawn to insurance after a stint offering data to hedge funds because it wasn't as 'I win, you lose' as hedge funds where insurers doing worse means they're helping others
  • Koffie was founded initially to look at the difference in trucking equipment, and how that impacts losses
  • They found that midsize and large risks were self-insuring and forming captives because insurers weren't meeting their needs, but small trucking firms (under 100 tractors) can't afford to do that, so Koffie focused on the smaller-end of the market
  • After a year and half, they got capacity in place, required telematics for insureds (first dedicated equipment, and later with an iPhone app)
  • While this was all positive, the business ultimately didn't survive, and was sold to Acrisure in early 2024
  • Ian learned first hand something he calls the "InsurTech Paradox"
  • Ian thinks, while we'll see a return of funding, it won't return to the situation where there are huge checks being written
  • He also wonders about whether insurance should be incenting better behavior, even if it means the business that's insured doesn't work that day

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Joshua Morey is the Chairperson of Ori-gen and President of The J Morey Company Inc. Ori-gen amplifies the voice of diverse communities throughout America by providing resources, services, and perpetuation planning for indepedent agents and brokers from diverse backgrounds. With offices in Hawaii, Los Angeles, Orange County, Torrance, and San Jose, California, Ori-gen represents a wide variety of personal, business, and specialty insurance from 40+ national and international carriers. He is a founding Board Member of the Asian American Insurance Network and Asian's in Insurance Podcast, and advisory council member of the Equity in Infrastructure Project. In addition Mr. Morey serves on the Board of Director’s for the US Japan Council (Executive Committee), Japanese American National Museum, Little Tokyo Community Council, and was featured on the cover of Rough Notes, and IIABA’s national magazine. He is co-founder of KODO Insurance Services (Insurtech) and Chairman of the Board of Arrowood Insurance Services. He has a B.A. in Business Economics, from Wheaton College and a M.A. in Intercultural Studies from Fuller Theological Seminary. In his free time he loves playing baseball and spending time with his wife and three kids.

Highlights from the Show

  • Josh is a fourth generation Japanese American, with his great grandfather having immigrated in the late 1800s, and setting up an import-export business in Little Tokyo in Los Angeles
  • The family lost everything when Japanese Americans were sent to incarceration camps during WWII
  • Finding insurance the Japanese American community was next to impossible, so they started their own, and Josh's family started an agency, The J Morey Company, to serve the community, which he runs today
  • Josh's story in taking over is similar to a lot of multi-generational insurance agencies, where the next generation may not be interested in taking over, can't afford to buy the business, or the business is no longer viable, which threatens the legacy of so many family businesses
    • Rather than selling to another agency, Josh worked with a consultant to find a path to keep the business in the family despite not having the financing in place to buy the business
    • That's what sparked the founding of Ori-gen, as a platform to continue the legacy of these companies
    • It's not just about keeping the agencies going, but to support the communities that rely on these agencies in the way his ancestors and their communities needed each other after WWII
  • Josh has also tried to drive more minority involvement in the insurance industry overall, which stems from his sense that this is the best industry and best country in the world
    • That includes engaging the Asian and Pacific Islander community through AAIN (Asian American Insurance Network, where he's a board member), as well as partnering with other groups, like joining NAAIA and Ngozi Nnajiand her Black Friday efforts
    • Josh advocates for DEI efforts because, without them, the industry will miss out on great talent and different approaches that only come from diversity within that talent

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Bill Pappas is Head of Global Technology and Operations, and is a Corporate Officer and a member of the company's Executive Leadership Team. In this role, he directs a team of more than 43,000 people responsible for technology development, infrastructure, information and cyber security, data strategy and analytics, customer service, operations, crisis management, business continuity and procurement for all lines of business, serving more than 90-million customers across 40+ countries around the world.

Pappas joined MetLife in 2019 from Bank of America, where he was the head of operations for the consumer, small business, wealth management and private banking businesses. In this role, Pappas directed a team comprised of more than 50,000 employees and contractors delivering integrated service and operations solutions to approximately 63-million consumers and clients. In addition, Pappas led the global business services team that provided integrated technology solutions across Bank of America.

Pappas holds a B.A. cum laude in government and an MBA in international business from Bentley University where he serves on its Board of Trustees. He also is a contributing thought leader as a member of the Gartner Research Board and the Forbes Technology Council.

Highlights from the Show

  • Bill and his team are responsible for everything tied to customers and their experience, and includes roughly half of MetLife's staff with about 60k people
  • Bill has never seen the level of complexity, ambiguity and uncertainty that we have today at any other time in this 30 year Financial Services career, and there's a convergence of these things today that's quite different
    • Many of these issues – supply chain, inflation, political uncertainty, cyber – is the first time we're facing them, so there's no existing playbook for any of these items
  • Customer expectations spiked in COVID, but haven't let up since then
    • MetLife has worked on the process to understand the customer needs, wants and demands
    • Then they look at product and process match up with those customer requirements, and then move to development where there's a gap
  • This takes also look at staff, and how they're supported in supporting customers, so MetLife looks at how it creates and maintains a contemporary workforce, which is something that must be dynamic over time
    • How do skillsets evolve, and how do you ensure your workface has the right skills at any given time
    • Workforces are hybrid, have moving priorities and expectations, and decision making isn't as command-and-control as it might have been years ago
  • They are deliberate in not having technology for technology's sake but only in support of the company's strategic objectives, which helps protect against siloed thinking for any one function
  • Innovation is something they've moved to make it part of every staff member's work as part of the culture's DNA rather than existing in a specific team or group
    • They run hackathons, setup investment mechanisms for new ideas and more to ensure innovation is everyone's responsibility and they're empowered to deliver on it
  • DE&I is important to MetLife and is part of everything they do, but they couldn't operate with such a customer focus without it and the diverse thinking and skills that come with it
    • For example, you cannot develop new, powerful tools like AI without different approaches and mindsets involved or you end up with something out of sync with your customer base
    • They see a shortage of women in STEM, and have been working with universities to drive more involvement by women in STEM career paths, and then looking at how to support them better through their careers; this is something they've also worked with other companies and non-profit organizations in the communities MetLife operates in to help make meaningful progress
  • You cannot move the industry or the market on your own, so MetLife has chosen to convene the industry to help learn together and foster the progress the company is trying to make on macro-level things like talent, AI and more

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Richard McCathron is CEO and President of Hippo Insurance and has served as a member of the Board of Directors since February 2017. Prior to Hippo, Rick held senior executive positions at various insurance companies including First Connect Insurance, Superior Access Insurance and Mercury Insurance Group.

Rick is both a Chartered Property & Casualty Underwriter (CPCU) and a Certified Insurance Counselor (CIC) and sits on the board of directors of Spinnaker Insurance Company and First Connect Insurance. He is an advisor for several other InsurTech companies and holds a BS in Finance from Oregon State University.

Highlights from the Show

  • Rick's insurance career spans a lot of areas, including different carrier functions, distribution and more, and has been at Hippo for 8 years, including his current role as President & CEO
  • 2023 reminded Rick of the Northridge Earthquake and the impact that had on the industry
  • Hail was a major driver of loss in 2023, which coincided with a trend to buy net quota share insurance (QS with a cap for CAT losses) and Excess of Loss (XOL) coverage above that
  • There weren't big events that would trigger XOL coverage, but the small losses exhausted the QS coverage, so many carriers found their balance sheets impacted

  • There's a fundamental shift in insurance around our financials but also consumer behaviors

  • The pricing pendulum swings wildly because cost drivers move fast, but rate filings and approvals move slowly
  • Tech solutions at carriers are helping to narrow the time gap to help with this, especially tech-driven carriers like Hippo
  • Hippo also mixes its approach to the market between their own product, their fronting business that brings in revenue from other players and lines of business, and their distribution arm, First Connect, that brings commission revenue from selling other carrier's products

  • Growth in this context is imperative to be about profitable growth, and Hippo has focused on this now, whereas there was an initial push to grow, generally

  • That means having more specific offerings to specific buyers, like those who would adopt IoT to protect their property
  • Embedding insurance into new home construction, but using its agency to ensure they don't end up with aggregation issues when working with a builder to insure a new development

  • Rick watches reinsurance profitability as a sign of where primary insurers will end up since there's a disconnect in when reinsurers move prices and when primary insurers are able to price that into their filings

  • The fundamentals of insurance aren't changing, but the rate of speed that you have to adjust how you write and the customer demands and expectations continue to change constantly
  • Rick shared his view on AI, where it is real today, but the AI being used now won't be anything like what we will use in 2 years given how fast it's evolving

  • The traditional coverages the industry is selling are increasingly disconnected from what the exposures they insure are and what consumers actually need for protection (and the affordability of the coverage they can get)

  • People want genuine customization in all aspects of their lives, and to know that what they're getting is genuinely built for their needs
  • Embedded insurance – we have to meet customers where they are, like embedding pet insurance in the adoption process or the purchase process for homes or cars
  • Remembering the fundamentals, but that there's a customer at the other end of this, and we have to serve them if we want to ultimately succeed

  • We talked about being proactive on claims

  • Using Parametric coverage is one way to do that since coverage can be delivered instantaneously (or very quickly)
  • Reaching out to customers when we think there's likely to be a claim (like when there's 2" hail in their area), which historically people think leads to buying claims, but Hippo has seen that the claims would come in anyway, but they'll come later and with some form of representation (attorney, public adjuster), so you end up paying more for the claim in the end than if you had handled it correctly from the moment the loss occurred.

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Charlie Sidoti is the Executive Director of InnSure, an industry-funded not-for-profit with a mission to foster innovation in insurance. InnSure’s integrated programs are designed to help insurance professionals and organizations survive and thrive by improving their ability to respond to the disruptive forces that are reshaping the industry. InnSure provides a roadmap for corporate sponsors, experienced industry talent, and outside contributors to connect, innovate and move the insurance industry forward, together. To learn more, visit InnSure.org. Highlights from the Show

  • Charlie Sidoti spent 20 years with large, P&C carriers on the commercial side, and then 10 years in the analytics space around insurance before founding InnSure, which is a non-profit focused on innovation in the insurance industry around climate change
  • They looked at where investment around climate impact was going for the insurance industry, and it tended to be things to help us exit lines or markets faster (avoiding risk, raising rate), and that didn't seem to solve the real issue or be what insurance is meant to do
  • InnSure engages in its mission in a number of ways, including:
    • Climate Risk and Insurance Sandbox
    • Community Embedded Insurance Initiative - to help communities shape their insurability
    • InnSure Corps - multifunctional group from across and around the industry to take newer talent and help them see how to have an impact and grow their abilities as leaders of the future
    • Interacting with government and administering grants and prizes, such as the one from NYSERDA we talked about later in the episode
  • As a non-profit, InnSure can take a position and engage differently than for-profit, commercial enterprises can, including taking a long term view of things and investing with that horizon
  • The Innovation Prize, which is a $5m program from the NY State Energy Research Development Agency that InnSure is administering by giving grants of $500k to $1m
    • The program is helping to foster ideas past the initial risk in commercialization that many great ideas face early in their journey
    • Insurance in particular can help protect NYSERDA's investments in clean tech, clean transportation and clean buildings, with 5-10 ideas to be supported
    • The idea must be relevant to NY, though it can apply to other geographies in the US, too
    • The application process is open through July 22nd, 2024 at https://innsure.org/prize-page
  • Looking forward, the climate issues are very real now and not just talk, and we are starting to talk about things other than raising rates and exiting. You're seeing discussion about
    • Predict & Prevent
    • Parametrics
    • Community embedded insurance, with communities buying coverage for a hard-to-cover area

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Amir leads Fintech and Insurtech investing at AV8 and has been one of the earliest investors in the Insurtech space. Amir has been an entrepreneur, operator and investor with over 15 years of experience, working with early and mid-stage companies on financing, partnerships and strategic growth initiatives.

Prior to AV8, Amir was an investment director and founding team member at Munich Re Ventures where he lead and managed investment efforts for two of the funds and made early bets in Insurtech, Mobility and Digital Health in companies like Next Insurance, Inshur, HDVI, Spruce, Ridecell, Babylon Health etc.. Earlier Amir worked for several venture funds, including Route 66 Ventures, focusing on Fintech and Insurtech, and investing in companies such as Simplesurance and DriveWealth.

He began his career in Germany as a network engineer and subsequently at Legodo AG (acquired by Open Text, OTEX (NASDAQ)), an enterprise software startup, where he held several roles in sales, business development and product management until acquisition.

In 2019, Amir was ranked 11 out of 100 on Global Corporate Venture’s Rising Stars list and was named a “VC Champions Select” by All Raise.

Amir lives in San Francisco and holds an MBA from Georgetown McDonough School of Business, a BS in Business Informatics from RFH Cologne in Germany and is currently finishing an MS in Law from Northwestern Pritzker School of Law.

Highlights from the Show

  • Amir started investing in InsurTech in the mid-2010s, and spent most of his investing career at Munich Re in their Ventures team, as the third member of the team
    • They started investing in industrial IoT and similar topics since their funding was from Hartford Steam Boiler (HSB)
    • In 2016, there was more of a pivot into InsurTech as it emerged
  • At AV8, Amir focuses on early stage, focused on very early stage to some revenue traction but still pre-series-A generally
    • Their majority LP is Allianz, and the fund is heavily FinTech-focused
    • They like risk taking businesses like MGAs and full-stack carriers because of the long-term returns, plus the difficulty in selling to insurance companies and surviving the long sales cycles
    • Amir has focused on niche markets or areas where incumbents lack digital solutions, and leading with building a new insurance approach and adding tech after it's established
  • Investing in long-term ideas may take longer, but then there's strong moats that can stop competitors from eating your lunch, which is harder to do with short-term ideas or SaaS areas
  • Investment has gotten tough, but there are investors out there still; they just may be looking more critically at profit potential than might have happened in the past
  • InsurTechs that went public and haven't done well were not alone – the market more broadly was pushing a lot of startups to go public so investors could get returns, but for many it proved too soon to go public because fundamentals weren't there yet

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Yaron Ben-Zvi is an executive with a track record of building innovative businesses in complex spaces, such as insurtech and financial services. Yaron is currently COO at Oka, The Carbon Insurance Company. Oka is de-risking the voluntary carbon market (VCM) for buyers and sellers of carbon credits with first-of-its-kind carbon credit insurance, which provides buyers with financial compensation in the event of credit reversal or invalidation.

Previously, Yaron was CEO of Haven Technologies and Haven Life. At Haven Technologies, Yaron led the build of a modern, cloud-based, and end-to-end technology platform for life insurance that became a key part of MassMutual’s transformation strategy. As Founder and CEO of Haven Life, Yaron grew the company into one of the leaders in online term life insurance distribution with its transparent and user-friendly product design. Along the way, Haven Life was recognized by U.S. News & World Report and Investopedia as one of the best term life insurance providers in the U.S. Previously, Yaron founded Goalmine, an early robo-advisor that was acquired in 2012.

As a leader, Yaron is passionate about creating unique and collaborative company cultures that help teams realize their potential. At Haven, Yaron had the honor to build and lead a team of more than 350 technology and insurance professionals to make life insurance simple and expand access to this critical financial product.

Yaron obtained his BA in history and political philosophy from Wesleyan University and his MBA from The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania.

Highlights from the Show

  • Yaron joined the show with the Life Insurance startup he founded, Haven
  • After leaving Haven, he was looking for an opportunity in something that connected to his interest in dealing with the climate crisis, which lead him to Oka, which insures carbon offset and credit transactions
  • Companies that use credits and offsets as part of their decarbonization strategy, the founding team at Oka realized there were a number of risks that make this difficult, with Oka focused on post-issuance risks, like
    • Reversal Risks - you buy carbon credit from a forest in Canada, but a wildfire burns that forest down. Or, illegal logging shrinks the forest. These are risks that could release the captured-carbon back into the air.
    • Invalidation Risks - the methodology behind the carbon credit was flawed, like fraud being committed in the actions that lead to the carbon sequestration
  • Oka was only started in 2023, and today has their own syndicate at Lloyd's, capacity from partners, and the technology to support it – with a team of seven people
    • The CEO, Chris Slater, comes from the industry, as do the board of directors, so there's a lot of experience building insurance businesses
  • The carbon market is split into two sub-markets
    • Voluntary Market – companies that are choosing to decarbonize
    • Involuntary Market – government or regulators force compliance with certain standards and timelines
  • Both markets are growing rapidly out of necessity, and there are buyers and sellers that need protection
    • Some buyers want protection if they're newer to the market, or are doing something unproven
    • Some sellers who want to enhance the attractiveness of their carbon credits and to protect themselves from something going wrong that makes it hard for them to deliver or fulfill the credits they've sold

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Festus William Amoyaw started his career with Amex International Incorporated, a contractor for the USAID in Ghana Trade & Investment Reform Programme, Increased Private Enterprise Performance (IPEP) Component Project as a Market Research and Business Development Assistant. He subsequently worked in an indigenous Ghanaian Financial Institution, HFC Bank (Republic Bank), as a Credit Analyst focusing on Small and Medium Enterprises. In the last decade, he has gathered considerable experience in private equity and impact investment. He worked with GroFin Ghana, a subsidiary of GroFin Capital based in Mauritius, as a Business Development Manager and, subsequently, a Portfolio Manager. He also briefly worked as Investment Officer with Investisseur & Partenaires (I&), a Paris-based Fund Manager of I&P Afrique Entrepreneur Fund of Euro 55 Million in the Ghana Office. From I&P, he moved on to work at Acumen as the West Africa Officer, where he sourced for deals, conducted due diligence and closed various transactions. In 2018 he joined the Regional Offgrid Electrification Project (ROGEP), an Ecowas Center for Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency (ECREEE) initiative funded by the World Bank Group and partners as a Finance Expert. He also acted as the Coordinator for ROGEP before joining WAM. He has worked as a Principal Investment Officer with Women’s World Banking Asset Management (WAM) and Consultant for Lendahand and XpressGas Limited.

Currently, he is the CEO/Co-Founder of Figtech Limited, a Fintech startup company in Ghana. Fintech has developed an App, MYFIG, to solve the challenges many faces in navigating various financial products.

He graduated from Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and Technology, Kumasi and the University of Ghana Business School in Agriculture Economics and a Masters in Business Administration, respectively. He is a Certified Digital Finance Expert from the Frankfurt School of Finance and Management.

Highlights from the Show

  • Festus started working about 3 years ago on the issue of people in Africa having enough financial protection for retirement or to protect their families, and penetration rates of traditional life insurance products are very low
  • Africa has seen the adoption of mobile payments, even on feature phones instead of smart phones, but that's largely not moved into financial services spending so much as general consumption
  • All of this lead him to co-found Figtech, which is a platform to manage your insurance protection
    • Life insurance is sold by individuals in Africa, but these agents don't tend to stand behind or support the policies after they're sold, so consumers struggle with basic things like updating their address (which requires going to the insurance company's office to change it in person)
  • There are changes needed in the insurance market and regulation of it to see more penetration of insurance
    • Some regulators have been creating more flexible paths for startups and new players to enter the market and grow
    • For example, creating digital distribution licenses
    • They've also allowed for creation of microinsurance that comes along with or is embedded into other products, like insurance you get when you buy more airtime minutes for your mobile phone
  • Figtech was part of the first regulator-organized startup competition three years ago, and that experience helped spark Festus to push to create an insurtech community in Ghana, starting InsurTech Ghana
  • They've been working with other InsurTech communities around the world, and started the first ever InsurTech Ghana conference in 2023, which they're holding again this year
  • Africa is where a lot of new ideas of coverage and ways to protect people are being developed, and we would be smart to foster and watch what's happening there as a source of possible future product innovation ideas for the global insurance market

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As Chief Innovation and Digital Officer, Chetan is accountable for leading the company’s digital vision and maturing our enterprise digital capabilities and expertise while creating new customer-centric products and services for members and partners.

Chetan is a visionary leader who has repeatedly developed high performing teams to work towards a common vision and purpose. During his 18-year career at Nationwide, Chetan successfully delivered several of the industry’s largest transformations, with more than $1B in investment towards creating single core platforms for Policy, Claims, Customer and Data.

In his tenure as the leader of digital and innovation, Chetan and his teams have advanced Nationwide’s strategy through digitization of customer journeys and the development of a robust innovation portfolio. Leading with a people-first philosophy, Chetan has fostered a culture of experimentation and collaboration, guided by a strong commitment to customer-centricity and focus on technology based innovation. His ability to anticipate and embrace change has accelerated innovation efforts and amplified key business outcomes for Nationwide.

Chetan holds a Master of Business Administration (MBA) from The Ohio State University, a Master of Science in Information Systems from Miami University, and a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science from Muskingum University.

Highlights from the Show

  • Chetan runs the enterprise innovation and digital area, which is here to help focus on what's coming in the future
  • They think about the meta trends impacting insurance, insureds and insurers like autonomous driving, climate change, GenAI and more
  • Nationwide thinks about three things when looking at how to structure your innovation efforts so it's not just a hobby but something that has actual tangible benefit
  • As an industry, there are several things that hold us back, including the standard answers (regulation, it's not a sexy industry), but also things like what we sell not being easily understood / being complex; because the cost of product is unknown at the time of sale, it's very risky to do something new in the space because you won't know if it was a big mistake until it's been far too long to do anything about it; there's a misnomer in the idea of innovation being about something completely new but rather something disruptive
  • Gen AI is something Nationwide has been looking at, and doing some real, tangible things with, mainly focused on how to enable their people to be materially more empathetic much faster
  • Horizon 3 outlook is very much about how connected things impact what Nationwide does
  • Chetan says we need to decide who we are, first movers, fast followers or laggards

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Paige leads Highline Beta's Corporate Innovation group that works at the intersection between venture capital, startups and enterprises businesses. Her background is in using qualitative, quantitative and behavioral research to shape and build new companies, products and services. During her time at Highline Beta she's worked with numerous Insurance firms to think through investing in innovation or spinning out new ventures.

Highlights from the Show

  • Highline Beta is a hybrid corporate innovation studio and venture capital investor that works with corporate partners to help bring ideas they are working on to fruition internally or as a standalone business, in the US and Canada
  • Insurance is interesting to Paige because of the constraints itself, which present interesting things to work around and through, which pushes for great moments of innovation
  • Some themes they have worked on include
    • Embedded insurance, for example helping an existing carrier allow its idea for embedded to develop outside of their core so it could move faster and more freely and get to market
    • Technical themes like AI (and, yes, GenAI) and how it can be used, especially internally, to improve how we work and the results we can achieve, whether on expenses or losses
  • A major challenge to insurance innovation is the data we have and have access to, and doing so in a way that respects privacy, both legally and for people's comfort levels
  • There are differences between the US and Canada, like how Canadians don't have to buy health insurance and how each state in the US has different rules and regulations, which can complicate deploying a single approach to an idea across the country
  • For AI, we're still at the early stages of implementation, which are largely around making incremental improvements, especially around efficiency
    • To reach a five or 10 year outlook, that will take changing a lot of the internal systems, both technical and operationally, around, for example, whether a process has any human interaction at all (like the handling of a claim), and how to enable that
  • Looking ahead, connecting products, data and consumers will lead to better insurance products that better meet people's needs, but also allows us to start to make meaningful progress on the Predict & Prevent notions we hear a lot of talk around today

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This is a short bonus episode to share that there won't be a new episode for a couple of weeks. I also share the message from a recent talk I did on how we, as a legacy industry, can find a path to innovate and evolve.

Highlights from the Show

  • Due to some scheduling issues, there won't be a new episode of the show until the week of March 25th, 2024
  • I recently did a talk on Innovating in a Legacy Industry that had 3 main takeaways
    • Customers - ask them directly, listen to what they say, and deliver to that
    • Culture - empower and involve your people in the change your organization needs to make
    • Speed - you need to be able to move fast (not just faster, but genuinely fast), and also know when to slow down
  • The recent turnaround in Q4 of many carrier's 2023 performance was good, but also dampened the pressure to change, which is unfortunate
  • We all need the reminder that, no matter how well we seem to be doing, we can and should strive to do better

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Dr. Robin Kiera is the Founder and CEO of Digitalscouting a consulting and marketing agency based in Germany. Robin is an author, renowned speaker, entrepreneur, top-ranked insurance and finance influencer.

He started Digitalscouting as an after-work hobby that exploded positively and became a multimedia B2C, B2B and B2B2C consulting and marketing agency – supporting entrepreneurs, c-suits and start-ups in their digital transformations, market-entry, hacking the attention of customers and partners.

He joins the show to share about his new book, Attention Hacking: The Power of Social Media Selling in Insurance and Finance, which was recently released in English, that is the guide for the insurance and finance industries on how to have real impact and build a following through your social media presence. He shares the insights and hacks we can all put into practice right now unlock the possibilities in our brands, both personally and for our organization.

Highlights from the Show

  • To learn more about Robin, check out his first appearance on the show in Season 1, Episode 20
  • Robin started as an agent at a carrier, and then moved to the startup side
  • In the early-2000s, he saw the changes coming as the Internet grew, and started to speak about it through a blog, public speaking and social media once that took hold
  • He shares some of the key hacks or insights from the book, like the kind of story we need to be telling, the production values we need to hold high in our efforts, and the power of momentum
  • You can get the book and the insights from it at http://www.future-of-insurance.com/attentionhacking

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David Gritz joins the show again, this time solo, to share some of the important themes he and his InsurTech NY co-founder, Tony Lew, are making the center of their 2024 Spring Conference.

Those themes, AI and Analytics, are each powerful and important in their own right, but the interplay of the two is exponentially more impactful for the future of the insurance industry. The Spring Conference will again focus on practical and impactful applications of AI and Analytics from across P&C, Life and Benefits, with speakers and panelists from across the industry, as well as outstanding networking opportunities.

Highlights from the Show

  • InsurTech NY is an ecosystem that acts as an international gateway for startups, brokers, investors and insurers to come together to make the world more resilient through insurance solutions
  • David's experience with an insurtech startup is told in The Future of Insurance, Volume III. The Collaborators
  • March 20th and 21st is the InsurTech NY Spring Conference at Chelsea Piers in NYC, with this year's themes being AI & Analytics and how they can improve underwriting, claims outcomes and more
  • They try to make the content practical so people can walk away with ideas about implementation and impact, with thoughts like how AI can make you more efficient, which can allow your people to dig into the things that take more expertise and therefore drive better results
  • The framing for the event is focused on some key questions
    • Will AI stick in the industry? If so, what kinds of AI and applications are likely to be more than just buzz?
    • How can Analytics help with the highly volatile state of the world today, and the way volatility in different areas is so intertwined, like labor, inflation, war and climate risks?
      • How does AI coming together with Analytics change things? They have a startup in their accelerator called Salient looking at this type of question precisely
  • ITNY also has launched a VC Fund, and are launching their second fund now, with a few areas of focus
    • The growth of Excess & Surplus (E&S) lines as a way for startups to serve a niche that existing players can't serve effectively today
      • A portfolio company, Sertis, focuses on multi-family property risks and combine insurance with a tool to drive better property management and upkeep to reduce losses and rates
    • Reducing the friction in insurance transactions, which is a broad theme
      • A portfolio company, BirdsEyeView, combines all the tools an underwriter needs in one screen to make it easier to take in underwriting inputs from different sources like weather tools smoother and faster
    • Increasing the availability of coverage to more parts of the market to make the world more resilient
      • Elios, who makes disability insurance easier to buy, helping to solve for the extremely low penetration rates of the coverage (only 14% in the US, and just 5% in the UK)
    • The second day Keynote is a panel around startups getting to profitability, with three major insurtech CEOs on stage
      • Jack Kudale, CEO and co-founder of Cowbell Cyber
      • Alex Timms, CEO and founder of Root Insurance
      • Rick McCathron, CEO of Hippo
  • You can get more information and tickets to the ITNY Spring Conference at insurtechny.com

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Josh Levine is the founder and CEO of Cake & Arrow, an experience design and product innovation company that works exclusively with insurance companies to create digital products and services that are grounded in real customer needs. With over 25 years practicing human-centered design methodology, Josh has led innovation initiatives for some of the world’s largest carriers and distributors including MetLife, Travelers, Chubb, Aflac, The General, and American Family. A designer by trade, Josh is most passionate about helping insurance companies leverage a design-driven mindset to create authentic and meaningful relationships with the customers and employees they serve.

Cake & Arrow is a UX Design and Product Innovation company that works exclusively with the Insurance industry. We believe empathy sparks opportunity. Our human-centered design approach helps carriers, distributors, and service providers create breakthrough digital experiences that drive results. For more than 20 years, we’ve helped the insurance industry make buying, selling, and servicing insurance better for everyone, by design.

Highlights from the Show

  • Cake & Arrow is a UX and product innovation design firm focused solely on insurance, starting from human needs (of the customer)
  • They leverage design and human centered mindsets to help the insurance industry make buying, selling and servicing people better
  • What's holding us back? Josh shared several reasons
    • We are wired to think about our company and our industry – competitor intelligence – and so we look at what we and our competitors think or are doing rather than starting with customer intelligence
      • If you don't, you'll miss the shift in customer trends, challenges and interests
    • We have a tendency to jump into solution mode, which means we put a lot of resources into projects that take years to implement, but they may not be the right things to be working on, so we're expending a lot of time and resource on things that aren't what we should really be working on
      • We measure progress by the number of features we roll out rather than the impact on the customer
  • The intent to innovate is there, however, so Josh has great hope for the industry's ability to move forward

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  • Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshplevine/
  • All Cake & Arrow Research Reports
    • Select articles and reports:
      • The mindset shift the insurance industry doesn’t know it needs
      • Climate change & Homeowners Insurance
      • We’re Anxious but Optimistic: What these 12 people want insurance companies to know about their finances
      • Beyond Burnout: Redefining Benefits for a New Era of Work

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InsurTech Hartford Founder and President (and Godfather of InsurTech), Stacey Brown, joined the show to share what drove him to start the community years ago, how it’s evolved into a thriving, international source of impact for the future of industry, how the InsurTech Hartford Symposium is evolving for its fourth year, and the exciting launch of communities in Chicago, Atlanta and now New England.

Highlights from the Show

  • Stacey started his insurance career in an IT role, and had an opportunity to grow his path into the digital opportunities that started to surface in the 2010s
  • In 2017, looking at the developments in the space, he saw a need to build a community in Hartford to foster the opportunities in the region because of its unique confluence of companies, educational institutions and local and state government
  • He started InsurTech Hartford to drive networking in the space, but also to help grow the community itself through a variety of activities, like working with local schools (high school and college) on their programs, letting startups pitch their solutions, and more, including their annual InsurTech Hartford Symposium
    • This year's Symposium will be at Mohegan Sun, April 17-18
    • Programming will feature a single track so the event can be more focused and communal
    • There will be roundtables and other ways for people to work together on issues more directly
    • The networking space will continue to be big, open and inviting to encourage sharing of ideas, building of relationships and learning about all the great solutions out there
  • They've expanded to help grow similar organizations in other cities, starting with InsurTech Chicago and InsurTech Atlanta
  • On February 28th, the first event of the new InsurTech New England will take place in Boston's Seaport district, with a panel, Meet the Startups session and lots of networking as we start to build a community to serve the rest of New England (register at http://www.future-of-insurance.com/itne)

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Tomer is CEO and Co-Founder of VOOM. VOOM is an InsurTech pioneer, crafting cutting-edge, usage-based insurance solutions for the future of mobility.

Among VOOM products are VOOM&Fly/SkyWatch - the leading digital drone insurance product in North America, VOOM & RIDE - the world's first pay-per-mile motorcycle insurance product, and VOOM & Drive - auto insurance tailored for the unique needs of gig drivers.

Before VOOM, Tomer spearheaded award-winning, interdisciplinary technological projects in the Israeli Prime Minister's Office cyber unit. Tomer is a graduate of Israel’s elite technology program “Talpiot”, and holds an MBA from Tel Aviv and a BSc in computer science and physics from the Hebrew University.

Highlights from the Show

  • Tomer is a computer scientist and physicist by background, and started his work in an elite unit in the Israeli Defense Force's technology unit, and met his cofounder, Ori
  • After completing their service, they wanted to start a new business, and eventually started a drone insurer, SkyWatch, which is the largest drone insurer in North America today, and Voom, a mobility insurer
    • SkyWatch saw success because they built a best-of-breed risk assessment platform, as well as a core system that allowed great flexibility in distribution (including embedded), data and more that they call the Voom Core
    • Voom is focused on mobility insurance, like motorcycle, ride-sharing solutions and other auto and mobility related insurance products
  • The strategy has been to identify a specific category, look at what would be needed to truly delight customers and serve their needs, and try to deliver that, which they've used to go into several spaces beyond their initial drone product
  • One example is how they've address motorcycle coverage
    • Many motorcycles (70%) are occasional-use products, so paying for coverage for regular use seems not to make sense
    • Voom offers the first pay-per-mile motorcycle product, based on sending a photo of your odometer to calculate mileage
  • For traditional insurers to innovate in small segments (relative to their overall scale) is hard because the lift isn't enough for the size of their bottom-line, so customers end up being overlooked and stuck with products and CX that becomes outdated
  • They think of changes in mobility in three ways:
    • New platforms - beyond cars, moving into drones, e-scooters and more
    • Increased connectivity - data connections impacting underwriting, loss prevention and more (like their pay-per-mile motorcycle product)
    • New utilization - changes in ways of using platforms, like ride-sharing changing how cars are used
  • The future of mobility insurance isn't something Tomer claims to know what will happen in the long term, despite all the predictions out there, but he does see some things emerging and some things as technology proof
    • Regardless of autonomy, some people will still want to drive for the pleasure of it, including motorcyclists
    • New ways to use mobility products will keep emerging, and they will require coverage designed for that specific solution, like when Uber or Turo came to be

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Wesley is CEO and Co-Founder of Sola Insurance based in Atlanta, GA. Wesley comes from a tech background and jumped into the insurance industry at a flood insurance startup where he was tasked with working on the data side with private and FEMA flood maps. Realizing this data was telling us exactly where the damage is, Wesley became obsessed with how data can be used to automatically trigger an insurance claim payout. Sola is starting with supplemental tornado coverage for homeowners but plans to expand into every type of natural disaster to help people cover their deductible and immediate expenses. Sola has already been approved in 15 states as the first ever admitted personal lines parametric product, is fully reinsured through Lloyd’s of London, and has partnered with hundreds of insurance agencies across the Midwest and Southeast.

Highlights from the Show

  • Sola Insurance is a new class of financial insurance products that helps homeowners cover their deductible and immediate expenses after natural disaster events
  • Sola is developing new products that pay period faster and more transparently so they can get back on their feet
    • Right after a disaster, there's an immediate need for assistance while you wait for a traditional claim to get handled (even if it's handled quickly)
    • Deductibles have increased across many lines of insurance, with homeowners choosing $2,500 deductibles twice as frequently just over four years ago, which is more than most Americans have saved for emergencies
      • Many homeowners policies or coverages within them have significantly higher deductibles, like for wind or quake
      • The pressure to increase deductibles is only getting worse, as discussed in this WSJ article we mentioned
  • The cost of capital and providing insurance for carriers is going up, with 30% increases in reinsurance
  • The initial product is a Tornado parametric coverage, which is the first time a startup has launched an admitted parametric product
    • They have capacity from Beazley and fronting from Spinnaker
    • They've just had their first two claims after the Hendersonville tornado outside of Nashville, Tennessee, and paid both within 60 hours of the tornado touching down
  • They see this as complementary to existing coverage, and have seen a lot of interest and support from independent agents who are looking for ways to create coverage to fill in for increasing deductibles to keep insurance affordable
  • With the original HO policy developed in the 1950s, Sola is trying to create solutions for what risk looks like today
  • Their next priority is Wind & Hail, which is segmented out on traditional HO policies and is a frequent cause of loss
  • Wesley started Sola in the Global Insurance Accelerator in 2021 and is young, along with his co-founders, and they haven't let that stop them or slow them down in an industry where tenure and tradition continue to carry weight
    • Wesley credits a two things with their success despite their age:
      • An innate sense of curiosity, which helped him to really get into the issues at hand and stay open to learning
      • People can't deny the work that you've done, so the team has ensured they keep delivering and proving themselves, balancing the need to spend time building relationships with delivering tangible milestones and results

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Kobi is the CEO of InsurTech Israel that established by him to promote and lead the Israeli Insurtech ecosystem. The company has four areas of activity, investments, Bizdev, media and Acceleration program. All that activities make InsurTech Israel as the leading and most active company in the Israeli Insurtech. Kobi was the founder and CEO of Reshef Insurance Brokers, part of Migdal / Generali Insurance Group. Kobi has 22 years of experience in the insurance industry and holds a BA in Management and an MA in Law from Bar Ilan University and he is a Colonel (Reserve) in the IDF.

Highlights from the Show

  • Kobi started an MGA in Israel that grew to be the largest in the country that he sold to Generali
  • After some time off, he saw a need to create a way to strengthen the insurtech ecosystem in the country
  • Tel Aviv has almost 200 insurance startups, and InsurTech Israel supports them with four pillars
    • Investment
    • Business Development
    • Exposure
    • Accelerator
  • They partner with other organizations, including BrokerTechVentures, AIG, Aon, AF Group, Dell, Milliman, ResourcePro, Xceedance and others
  • They work across the entire value chain and space in insurance
  • Insurance works on trust, so their core mission is really to help build trust in companies in the ecosystem there
  • Tel Aviv has been a hotspot for innovation more broadly, which Kobi attributes to a very social environment, open mindsets of the people to embrace new ideas, and infrastructure from the government and supporting areas like venture capital
  • Right now is obviously a very difficult time for anyone in the area, and only adds to the uncertainty and need for great leadership for startups
    • Kobi shared the initial shock after Black Saturday in October
    • After a few days, they realized they cannot stay in shock, and must continue or they will lose their momentum and place in the industry
    • It's a time where the country is clearly in the midst of trauma and the impact that's having on the community is visible
  • One reason Kobi believes Israel has so many startups is the way it faces major strife and disaster and comes back stronger, which builds resilience and toughness to press through great challenges
  • Today, the main focus for InsurTech Israel is to support their startups with fundraising as they found many of their members were planning to raise soon and need support there given the way the war is impacting fundraising and these startups need to make it through to their next raise

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Bobby Touran is the CEO and co-founder of Rainbow. He is a founder, CEO and operator with over 15 years of experience in insurance and software development, having previously founded Pathpoint, a digital insurance brokerage focused on retail agents and their E&S risk. Follow him on LinkedIn.

Highlights from the Show

  • Bobby is an entrepreneur, with the second half of his career being focused on insurance, including starting a digital E&S exchange, and now co-founding an MGA called Rainbow
  • Rainbow is an MGA focused on specific niches or verticals in small commercial, using that focus to enable better underwriting and service to the space
  • Their initial focus is on providing BOP to restaurants, which they view as an area that will always need coverage and is going through dislocation today as some traditional players have pulled back
    • They can connect third party datasets that are super-specific to a vertical for better understanding of the risk and not just to enable faster application completion time or quote turnaround
    • They also have expert underwriters who really understand the vertical rather than looking to automate underwriting out of the equation
  • In terms of moving into new verticals vs. investing in growing out their first vertical of restaurants, they see plenty of room for growth in restaurants today as they add more states or deepen their distribution relationships with their agents, but they also have a rubric of sorts to help them identify where to move next in terms of new verticals
    • Their relationships with agents and brokers and the underlying platform they've built should allow them to scale and expand efficiently without having to build it all from scratch with each new vertical
    • The focus on a handful of codes for a given vertical helps them stay focused and clear on what they do (and don't do), and the systems, processes and skills needed to support their business
    • They've also built their platform with modularity but also in-house so they aren't beholden to constraints of other systems or vendors
  • They get better underwriting results through three prongs to their strategy
    • Their system has their risk selection built in from the start so they can weed out risks they aren't positioned to underwrite quickly and early for their agents, and the criteria can be very nuanced, specific and inter-connected
    • They have access to deep data on their vertical, and keep eyes on it over the life of a risk so they can get a truer picture of risk early and often
    • They have experienced human underwriters, who not only look at the risks, but also provide differentiated service to their agents and brokers which is something their distribution partners call out specifically as a reason they like working with Rainbow
  • Bobby thinks there's a lot of opportunity today, even in this investment environment, but it requires demonstrating genuinely good underwriting results at the heart of your business
  • When some in the market run away from a space that needs to be served, Bobby sees a moment of opportunity to see if a better approach can be deployed to then successfully and profitably seize on that market dislocation

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Adrian Jones is venture capitalist in insurance and former reinsurance executive. Organizations that he has been a part of have invested in 40+ young insurance sector companies. Adrian has been a Board director or observer at eight young companies including distributors, carriers, and service providers in insurance. Before joining HSCM Ventures as a Partner in 2021, he was Deputy CEO of P&C Partners at SCOR, where he set-up and led SCOR P&C Ventures. From 2010 to 2016, he was head of strategy at RenaissanceRe. He started his career in 2001 at Bain & Co and has lived/worked in New York, Paris, Bermuda, Brussels, and Stockholm. Comments made by Adrian are made in a personal capacity only and should not be associated with any organization to which he is afiliated, employed, or an investor. His comments are solely for educational purposes and do not represent recommendations or research.

Highlights from the Show

  • Adrian started in consulting, then worked in reinsurance and venture investing
  • He has been looking at the headcount in the InsurTech sector starting with data from mid-2020, and saw that employment has increased from about 75,000 to over 100,000
    • In the downturn, there was a retrenchment, with companies reducing staff by 31% on average, with the bulk of that being driven by mid-sized companies (200-1000 employees)
    • There's been a lot of movement recently, between startups and incumbents, and people from outside the industry coming into it (and vice versa)
    • This also portends the changes we've now seen in the traditional insurance companies, especially in admitted carriers, some of which have been reducing staff
  • Adrian spoke at ITC on lessons from early InsurTechs (founded after 2008) who are now worth $5 B or more, and looked into what lessons we can learn from their success
    • He noted 7 lessons from their experience
    • A surprising finding is that technology is not the differentiator
    • He found leadership teams that were experienced, entry into dislocated markets, partnership and support with regulators, and time to prove their model's success
    • "Insurance is a business of compounding reserves over time, and many young businesses haven't had the chance to prove that their compounding machine works?
    • You can see his slides at https://www.linkedin.com/posts/adrianjo_adrian-jones-keynote-at-insuretech-connect-activity-7125587320308682752-NhL6
  • Insurance isn't about the giant TAM and high traction for Adrian, who would rather see less traction but the right traction rather than getting lots of traction that ends up being bad business
  • Adrian has also seen reinsurers support the new InsurTech risk takers, whether backing programs where 100% gets ceded, to even carriers where they're ceding 40-60% of the premium (whereas an established carrier seeds 6% on average)
    • He didn't see the reinsurance veto people predicted
  • We talked about how to address the issue where coverage is too expensive to buy and too cheap to sell in some pockets today, and what role parametric could play in solving that
    • He sees parametric as a good solution, but in niche situations like a deductible buy down
    • You face basis risk and a need for distributors who are willing to educate consumers while taking potential E&O exposure if insureds are unhappy when their loss isn't paid because the parametric trigger wasn't met

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Juan de Castro is COO of Cytora, leading product strategy, sales, distribution, partnerships and operations. He was previously UK COO at Hiscox (FTSE100), and lead Group Strategy and Corporate Development at the Group level, reporting to the Group CEO. Before moving into Insurance, Juan was a senior manager at McKinsey’s Silicon Valley office, focusing on growth strategy and operational improvement engagements for Fortune 100 companies. He worked across a number of different industries, from Tech to Utilities and Financial Services, with a special focus on digital strategy and operational turnarounds. A Computer Engineer by training, he started with a technical career owning P&L responsibility in a professional services division, building and leading engineering teams. He holds a Master’s degree from Stanford Graduate School of Business and a Computer Engineering degree from Universidad Complutense de Madrid.

Highlights from the Show

  • Juan came to Insurance from consulting in Silicon Valley, and admits he didn't realize how much he didn't realize that justified the sense some have of the industry being behind, like not knowing the cost of the goods you're selling when you sell it
  • He also found that we spend a lot to bring customers in, only to decide they're out of appetite, especially in the direct channel, where his carrier work focused
  • Serving as COO of Hiscox UK, he focused a lot on the expense ratio, but worked on driving up premium per underwriter rather than cutting costs, which he sees as less sustainable or impactful
    • He found getting the data you really need to do this is hard, like where underwriters spend their time or lose it
    • Once you had the data, you had limited tools to deliver on what you discovered, like how to identify the right risks quickly and then get them to the right underwriters
  • Juan sees a growing focus on the end-to-end workflow of underwriters, much like how manufacturing transformed in the Industrial Revolution
    • New tools enabled the flow of work and automation
    • New energy enabled speed and deploying tools that weren't possible before
    • Automation allowed the new fuel and tools to push product through the system
    • This is actually very similar to how underwriters work, and we're in the midst of the same type of drivers coming online
      • New tools, like AI and Gen AI
      • New fuel, meaning better internal and external data
      • New ability to deploy automation that didn't exist before, so risk can flow (which is the idea behind Cytora's podcast that Juan hosts, called Making Risk Flow)
    • This is a moment where underwriters can rise above the transaction to focus on macro-level issues and engage with brokers
  • In the mid-market area that Juan and Cytora focuses, he talks about 10 Click Underwriting
    • This is about using tools to remove the excessive number of steps and handoffs internally so risks can come in and be quoted within hours instead of days or weeks
    • This includes using third party data and artificial intelligence to take in submissions, analyze and prioritize them in conjunction with a rating engine, to present prioritized opportunities to underwriters with the transactional work done for them
  • When it comes to AI, Juan is interesting in enabling both the early adopters and those who are on the sidelines, unsure of what to do
    • You need to have the right controls and safeguards, like not sending proprietary data to the LLMs to protect carrier's IP
    • LLMs allow carriers to overcome historic roadblocks to digitization, with three examples he shared:
      • Ingesting submissions from brokers and taking the insights from them without having to train models on hundreds or thousands of examples
      • Mapping data, once extracted, so your internal systems can understand, like taking in varied occupancy reports in a way that informs a rating engine and record of risk system without a person having to make sense of it
      • Bring together UW guidelines and the book of business to help guide underwriters on how to handle a specific risk – something you'd need years of coaching, shadowing and training to achieve otherwise
    • Juan thinks the horizon for adoption of AI is different from past technology like IoT because the benefits aren't theoretical, they're real, tangible and demonstrable, so he believes the industry will move faster here

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Jean-Christophe Garaix, Head of Agriculture & Parametric Insurance for Liberty Mutual Reinsurance, and Andy Thompson, Co-Founder & CEO of Safehub, join the show to discuss their collaboration on addressing earthquake exposure.

Using Safehub's IoT sensors, they've been able to design a parametric insurance product that's live in Mexico City – one of the most quake-prone areas in the world – that brings building-specific shake accuracy to the adjusting of claims. This allows for an affordable coverage that can be provided quickly while solving for the basis risk inherent in previous earthquake data like shake maps.

Together, they're working to create great resiliency through the network effect of improved and more point-specific data coming together to paint accurate pictures of risk and how it plays out.

Highlights from the Show

  • Jean-Christophe (JC) Garaix oversees the parametric business for Liberty Mutual Reinsurance, looking for external / third party index for the basis to adjust a risk
  • Andy Thompson, co-founder of Safehub, is a structural earthquake engineer by background who became acutely aware of the lack of individual-building performance during earthquakes and other shaking events, and sought to create a sensor-based solution that's easy to deploy to solve this
  • Existing tools are about regional effects, which are helpful for municipalities or disaster response efforts, but not useful for a specific building, where the impact of one building could be completely different to that of a neighboring building
  • Safehub has been working with many building owners for years to help with business continuity, maintenance and general management of their properties, but thought this could increase resilience by solving the basis risk issue JC talked about by partnering with an insurer
  • The size, simplicity and stand-alone nature of Safehub's solution allowed Liberty Mutual to extend a coverage like this to smaller insureds in addition to their large property clients
  • For parametric coverage to succeed, JC jokes that you need education, education and education
  • Liberty is looking at similar solutions for other types of events, like cyclones where there is broad-brush data, but they need to measure the wind speed at a specific location to offer coverage for an individual property
  • Today, the issue is less about data availability (which was the issue a decade ago), and more one of product design
  • A barrier to adoption of the kinds of sensors that allow for solutions like this has been the complexity of installation, making the commercial market more attractive for such products
  • Bringing asset-specific data in a bigger network allows for more resiliency and protection by enabling parametric and other innovative products that can close protection gaps, offer cover options

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Nick and I sit down once again to talk about all the things on our mind. We recorded this in the hotel the morning after ITC 2023 ended, so we recap the event a bit, talk about insurability in Florida and how the rest of the nation is likely to follow that state, Hurricane Otis and more.

As always, Nick is a source of a ton of knowledge, perspective and new thinking on what is and what could be for our industry.

Highlights from the Show

  • Nick is the Managing Partner of Insurance Nerds, and has just co-founded the Insurance Advocacy Forum of Florida
    • It is an alliance of carriers, brokers, reinsurance brokers, insurtechs, claims professionals and more to advocate for and promote a healthy, stable insurance market
    • Efforts in Florida will be important for the rest of the country since it's generally been a few years ahead of where the rest of the country has ended or will end up given the changing loss patterns driven by climate change and liability costs
    • You need the conditions in place for risk capital to come in and the regulatory structure for the flexibility to use that capital efficiently and effectively and to drive the innovation needed to create product options for consumers to be able to afford to buy coverage and for carriers to be able to afford to offer them
  • At ITC, Nick saw a lot of GenAI talk, but the substance behind it wasn't always there
    • This is driven by the need to compete for airtime and investor attention when GenAI is so hyped up in the conversation
    • ITC has so much going on thematically that it's hard to say what the single theme of the event is
    • It's really more of a networking opportunity given the concentration of people you need to see all being together, though the logistics of seeing so many people when you're running around and being grabbed by people who want to talk is tricky
      • Nick also saw a lot of private meetings rather than trying to fight through the crowds, including bringing people into town since so many of the folks they'd need to talk to are there anyway
    • Outside of ITC, Nick has had conversations with several mutuals who are seeing a need for E&S paper to take advantage of risk opportunities that their strict, admitted underwriting guidelines won't allow them to write
    • Insurance only works at scale, so finding ways to stay viable as a business if you have to contact too far could be a real risk for carriers who are left with pulling out of markets as the only tool in their tool box
  • Hurricane Otis went from Tropical Storm to Cat 5 Hurricane in just 12 hours, which is incredibly rapid
    • This puts pressure on modelers to be able to accommodate for and predict that behavior
    • This was also a strong example of the power of good building codes; Acapulco was built to withstand earthquakes given that this is the main CAT exposure the area faces, so a Cat 5 hurricane basically hollowed out the buildings there because they were only built to stand up to tropical storms
      • Floridian buildings are increasingly built to Cat 5 standards, especially in South Florida, so Nick believes the same storm in Florida would have left the buildings able to reopen within days instead of the extent of rebuilding needed

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Tanguy helps companies build out their digital capabilities to deliver rapid results and sustained growth. He leads the McKinsey Digital hubs across North America and Mexico. Until recently, Tanguy shepherded the firm’s property and casualty insurance work in North America.

In his client work, Tanguy helps leading global financial-services firms with analytics transformations, digitally enabled business model transformations, and core-technology-modernization programs. He also serves insurance clients more broadly on issues ranging from strategy and organization design to claims and underwriting.

In addition to his client work, Tanguy frequently contributes to industry publications and authors reports, and white papers on issues confronting the insurance industry.

Through his undergraduate and graduate studies, Tanguy was a Siebel scholar and Fulbright fellow. He is a trustee of Carano for Children, a former member of the MIT Sloan alumni board and of the Massachusetts chapter of March of Dimes, a non-for-profit organization that works to improve the health of mothers and babies.

Highlights from the Show

  • Tanguy is a Senior Partner at McKinsey & Company, working in their Insurance practice, and co-leads their digital practice, which covers such important things as AI
  • McKinsey is talking to insurers, car makers, regulators and others around the concept of mobility
    • Current Auto insurance products were designed for an industry in decline, where combustion cars without sensors or data are being replaced by things that look similar, but are fundamentally different, which means the existing products aren't going to be fit for purpose
    • We're at the early stages of that transition, but this is when carriers should be thinking about how to respond
    • They see a world in the not-too-distant future where 30% of mobility will be ride-sharing, 50% of vehicles will be Evs, and that has profound impacts on Auto insurance
    • As evidence of this, look at the very high take-up rate for Tesla Insurance where it's available
    • The pace of change will be slower than some say given that the car fleet needs to change over to newer vehicles with new capabilities
    • Distracted Driving is working against the improvements in loss reduction faster than safety tech can lower it, so losses are increasing despite more tools to combat them
    • You will see more partnerships amongst those who succeed, while those less open to partnership will struggle
  • When it comes to AI, Generative AI is not just a buzzword, but is a real disruptor that will have tremendous impact because it's about content creation, which AI has never been able to do before
    • Generative AI can tackle the one thing robots or computers couldn't – empathy at a human level
    • Given that delivering insurance service is a moment of empathy, that means GenAI can be profoundly impactful in insurance in a way that no other technology could be
    • The technology and training the models isn't the hard part of this, but culture, change management and getting the data available cleanly in the cloud is the hard part
  • The dynamics have and are changing so much that Tanguy observes that the industry seems to be losing relevance, as shown by declining rates of CAT losses covered by insurers, which has dropped over time
  • He sees the solution being around the massive unlock of moving from protection to prevention, which changes the importance of what we do
    • With the support of investors behind insurtechs working on solutions and carriers willing to collaborate, there is hope
    • Interestingly, while there was fear that Big Tech was coming for Insurance, they are so critical to cloud-based solutions that they can also be part of this collaborative effort

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Rob is the Group Chief Executive Officer of bolttech, the fast-growing international insurtech, responsible for the company’s development and growth around the world.

With more than 30 years’ experience in the financial services industry, Rob has previously held senior leadership roles in insurance, including President and CEO of AIG’s commercial insurance businesses worldwide and Chief Executive Officer of the Americas for AIG. Prior to that, Rob served as President and Chief Executive Officer of EMEA and was the Chief Financial Officer of AIG’s global property and casualty business.

Before joining AIG, Rob was a partner at Deloitte & Touche L.L.P. where, for 18 years, he used his public accounting experience to serve global financial institution clients, including MetLife, The Prudential Insurance Company of America, and Merrill Lynch.

Rob is a C.P.A. He earned his M.B.A. from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. He is a graduate of Rider University in New Jersey and Chairman of the Rider University Board of Trustees.

Highlights from the Show

  • Rob started as an accountant, and then moved to AIG
  • He left AIG with a lot of lessons of what to do and what not to do, and used that to start bolttech as a an insurance distribution solution for the industry
  • They work on embedded insurance, but with a broad definition of the term
    • Bolttech runs an insurance exchange, connecting buyers and sellers of protection and insurance, and current have a scaled solution that's doing 25 homeowners quotes a minute, every hour of every day (that's 36,000 per day for just one line of business)
    • Their take on embedded allows for the flexibility to offer choice of carrier and product, but also thinks much more broadly about how insurance can support the transaction around the core product it provides protection around, rather than trying to be the center of the transaction itself
    • bolttech intentionally does not think about insurance as the center of the transaction, which helps them to think about other moments and areas to connect into the needs of the consumer rather than a single buying moment
  • Part of this comes from the understanding insurers don't need to do or solve for everything themselves, and finding ways to solve a customer's needs whether it's with something you built or not is better than trying to force your own solution when it's not fit for purpose
  • Two things have been holding embedded back from living up to the hype yet
    • Before that, bolttech recognizes that they're fast but their partners aren't always as fast, so they need to slow down while helping their partners to speed up so they can meet in the middle
    • The first element slowing things is the idea of DIY – I don't need anyone else to be able to build an embedded solution
      • It is possible, but it is slower than if you worked with someone else
    • Second, many players are working on embedded solutions in pockets, which end up being disjointed and subscale rather than what would be possible if we could connect those points together so they can help each other grow
      • When you try to build the entire embedded solution alone, you will move slower and less ideally than if you cooperated and connected to others working on the issue, too
  • You really need to think in the really big picture of everything around the customer rather than any one product, or even just insurance
  • Rob thinks about bolttech as building the rails that enable the trains of products customers need can be delivered, regardless of who builds or sells the products themselves

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Ema Roloff is a passionate educator and digital transformation expert with a unique background in teaching and over a decade of experience guiding companies through their digital evolution. She is the co-founder of Roloff Consulting and the Host of Leading Change. Ema has received prestigious awards and accolades, including the RISE 35 under 35 Award and recognition as an Industry Influencer by InsurTech Hartford.

Ema's diverse experience spans various industries, enabling her to identify patterns and facilitate insightful discussions that transcend industry boundaries. With over 300 expert interviews conducted in Digital Transformation and Innovation, Ema is a trusted voice in the field.

Highlights from the Show

  • Ema and her husband run a sales consulting firm called Roloff Consulting for companies in the insurance space to help companies sell the way people want to buy, using education and digital channels
  • At ITC this year, Ema has seen
    • A change from just talking about the hot, trending topics like GenAI, and trying to get into practical ways to take advantage of the tech
      • A meaningful use of AI as an example was what IRYS did to use in-context support for agents driven by the data IRYS has on the agency's business to support things like marketing activities and book management
      • This was only possible because of the way the data model behind the solution has been contemplated with tools like this explicitly in mind
    • Ema also was engaged in a panel about attracting and keeping new talent
      • Updating tools and processes can make the industry more attractive to new comers to the industry
      • Reverse mentorship is another way to help the industry do better at meeting the needs of new or different talent than we've ever had, and broaden the understanding of more senior people in the industry

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Tim Hays has spent the last couple decades leading digital transformation efforts for pharmaceutical & manufacturing companies. With a track record of over 30 successful full-life-cycle ERP implementations, he has been constantly at work transforming companies through technological innovation & business intelligence. Tim is currently Vice President & CIO of Mountain West Farm Bureau & 360 Insurance companies where significant digital transformation is being enabled by the implementation of the Guidewire Cloud Insurance Suite, and multiple cloud ready platforms. He currently lives in Colorado & Wyoming with his wife of 26 years and their children. Outside of really enjoying his work, if it involves gasoline or gunpowder, he’s probably into it!

Highlights from the Show

  • Tim has done ERP modernization projects 34 times across different industries, and he sees them being the same despite the context being so different
    • Scope, budget, time all seem to be problematic, where we run out of money, cut scope or need more time when we get to the end of the project
    • Tim sees this as a fundamental failure of project management starting in the first 90 days rather than happening at the end
  • Projects that don't finish on time as a surprise didn't know half way through that they didn't have enough runway to finish the second half, which means they don't know what a days work looks like
  • Mountain West setup weekly steering committee meetings so they could make decisions at speed once
  • While they finished the work in 12 months, because of the past failed attempts, they wanted to take time with testing and release to ensure people were comfortable and had trust in what came out
  • To deal with the desire to customize the solution to look like what they always had, Tim said, "I don't care what you don't like, but I really care about why it won't work, and then we need to address that"
  • You have to make decisions at speed, once. Rework kills you. The way you do this is in how you organize the project
    • That means having the right people in the project – people who are painful to lose from the business
    • Having these people gets you the right insights about what the system needs to do, and forces you to move fast because you can't afford to keep them out of the business for years on end
  • Don't ask people what they want since they'll just tell you what they already have, but new
  • They demoed new development early and often, and there were no contractors doing the demoes so Mountain West's people owned what was being built and grew more and more comfortable with what they were putting out
  • The way they went about this resulted in a system that has allowed
    • 70% straight through processing (from 0% before), writing 50% more business with fewer people
    • They're more efficient, but it's really about how much faster they are now, moving from taking 3-5 days for a policy change to minutes
    • Making product changes and updates in a single sprint (30 days) instead of 6 months (at best)
  • Ultimately, they can make better decisions with better information in the moment

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Patrick G. Schmid, PhD is an economist and the President of The Institutes’ RiskStream Collaborative—a risk management and insurance blockchain & emerging technology consortium. He works with RiskStream’s member-led governance boards and oversees RiskStream’s products, relationship management, operations, and technology workstreams. Dr. Schmid offers blockchain and emerging technology thought leadership for The Institutes and coordinates the RiskStream’s consortium of insurers, brokers and reinsurers with industry participants and technical partners in developing production applications that can lower costs, improve customer experience and drive efficiency across the insurance industry. Patrick was the 2018 recipient of the International Insurance Society’s Leaders of Tomorrow award.

Dr. Schmid formerly served as the head of The Institutes' Enterprise Research department, where he led a teams of data architects and researchers in developing analytical solutions and market insights. He has also served as the Director of Research for the Insurance Research Council (IRC), a division of The Institutes. In this role, he led efforts to study public policy-related insurance issues, published these research efforts in academic journals and testified on these findings in front of regulators. He has a MA and a PhD in economics from Temple University. He has taught economics and finance at several Philadelphia-area colleges and universities (Albright College, Drexel, Saint Joseph’s, Temple, Wharton, etc.). Prior to working in the insurance industry, he worked as an economist for Moody's Analytics, monitoring various economic indicators, creating forecasts and blogging on monetary policy.

Highlights from the Show

  • RiskStream is part of The Institutes, which most people will know from their CPCU program and Society
  • RiskStream is setup as a collaborative, which is central to what it's trying to do around bringing the industry together
    • Multiparty business processes enabled by technology so different organizations can exchange data into their disparate systems efficiently and easily to facilitate smoother transactions
  • RiskStream started looking at different use cases that would be applicable, and the first they identified was net settlement in subrogration, and found that a handful of top 10 insurers were already building solutions internally, and one, Liberty Mutual, donated their solution to the collaborative to help move the industry forward
    • This lead to RiskStream's RapidX solution
    • The real value for these solutions really tends to come from the network adoption rather than what any one company gains, so you generally should want broader, easier adoption rather than a single player trying to own it outright
  • RiskStream allows for the scaling of the network effect by getting several players together in a way they can feel safe doing because it's a non-profit, non-competitive body
  • Bringing together so many carriers also allows RiskStream to take in learnings and needs of a wide range of players so that solutions can be more robust than any one of them might design on their own
  • While they've started with a subrogration example, they've also been developing other areas to apply a multiparty solution, including Surety

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David J. Glawe is the President and Chief Executive Officer of the National Insurance Crime Bureau. Mr. Glawe is responsible for leading a united effort of property-casualty insurance companies, law enforcement agencies, car rental companies, and other strategic partners to prevent and combat insurance fraud and crime. Mr. Glawe oversees the operational and intelligence capabilities of NICB employees who are deployed in eight regional offices throughout the United States and Mexico.

Prior to joining NICB, Mr. Glawe served as the Under Secretary for Intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security. He was nominated by the President of the United States and received unanimous confirmation by the Senate.  Prior to his appointment, Mr. Glawe served as Special Assistant to the President of the United States for Homeland Security, and as the Chief Intelligence Officer and Assistant Commissioner at U.S. Customs and Border Protection.  Mr. Glawe also served in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence as Deputy Intelligence Manager for Threat Finance and Transnational Organized Crime, and subsequently on the President’s National Security Council.  Earlier in his career, Mr. Glawe served as a Supervisory Special Agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, a Federal Agent with the United States Postal Inspection Service, and a Police Officer in Houston, Texas, and Aurora, Colorado. 

Mr. Glawe’s numerous honors include the Central Intelligence Agency Warren Medallion and Citation, the Department of Homeland Security Distinguished Service Medal and Citation, the National Intelligence Superior Service Medal, and the Department of Justice Meritorious Public Service Award.

Mr. Glawe achieved a Bachelor of Arts in Behavioral Science degree from the University of Northern Iowa and certificate from Harvard University.

Highlights from the Show

  • Dave has an almost-30 year career in law enforcement and national security, including serving as the Undersecretary of Intelligence in Homeland Security of the United States, an FBI agent, terrorism agent and a local police officer
  • The NICB sits between insurers and state, local and federal law enforcement to identify criminal networks committing crimes that impact insurers and ultimately drive rates up for the public
  • Fraud is different today. All criminal organizations are driven by money, and the path of least resistance to exploit opportunities to make financial gains are what drives their actions.
  • The evolution of the collection of intelligence and data and using algorithms and tools that are tailored to identifying the networks perpetrating crime
  • When looking at ML, AI, Generative AI, etc, and the possibilities they have to drive more fraudulent claim activity, Dave reminds us to look at what nation states have been doing and the training they're giving to bad actors

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SG leads the Innovation and Digitalization team at American Modern, the US P&C subsidiary of Munich Re. In this role, he is accountable for delivering on the company’s Digital strategy and roadmap as well as the long- term Innovation agenda with a focus on transforming the way we do business. He is also the Business Sponsor for American Modern’s strategic digital transformation initiative. In addition, SG is driving a culture of innovation in the organization with a focus on customer experience, experimentation, and learning. His team focuses on key market trends like the disruption of the insurance value chain, Internet of Things, and AI- driven customer experience capabilities. He is an Innovation Executive in the global Munich Re innovation team and engages with insurtechs to accelerate the pace of innovation within American Modern and Munich Re.

SG started with American Modern in December 2014 as the technical program lead on the Business Transformation program. In this role, SG was responsible for the operational delivery of the new AMsuite system. He transitioned into his current role in August 2017. Prior to American Modern, SG has over 20 years of experience in varying management positions spanning tactical technical execution to strategic business roles, in small startup companies to a Fortune 500 organization. He has worked in various industries including technology, healthcare, and consulting. Over the past 10+ years, he has served in various senior management positions focused on innovation, product management, strategy and delivery.

He holds a degree in mechanical engineering from India and an MBA from University of Phoenix (USA). He resides in Cincinnati with his wife, two daughters and a ‘labradoodle’ dog.

Highlights from the Show

  • American Modern, part of Munich Re, is a Personal Lines Specialty carrier, focused on risks standard carriers don't tend to write like manufactured, vacant and vacation homes; boats, RVs, collector vehicles, etc.
  • American Modern is on their second major transformation, with the first being almost a rebuilding of the entire company to enable the second transformation they're working on today
  • They had
    • 60 products, with different versions of each one in each state
    • Multiple core systems
    • Different agent agreements and commission structures
    • Multiple writing companies to manage all of this across
  • This all made change to difficult, even for simpler ones
  • The decision was to change everything, meaning revamping the entire org from the ground up, in what they refer to as an inside-out transformation
    • 1 technology platform (Guidewire)
    • 1 underwriting company
    • Clean up the products and processes, and move to just 11 products
    • 1 commission structure for all agents
  • The biggest change was the people part because everything every employee did would be impacted
  • This took 8+ years, starting in 2013/2014, which meant it was started by one CEO and persisted in by a new CEO
  • The new transformation they've recently begun is to move their operation to the cloud and digitizing everything external to the company
  • In hindsight, some changes or things they'd do differently
    • Go to the Cloud from the start (which wasn't an option when they did the first transformation)
    • Planning for the go-to-market much earlier, recognizing the complexities in launching in each state despite what seemed to be the same across states, which they pivoted early to doing but would have done from the start looking back
    • While they did change management internally, they learned how important it is, and upped their game in that respect in the second transformation
    • Lastly, don't outsource your transformation, absolving yourself of responsibility to do it or knowledge of what's been done, so be sure to balance in-house and consultant resources

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Theresa Blissing has more than 15 years experience in the insurance industry both in Europe and Asia. Excited by the first signs of change in an industry typically resistant to change, she followed her passions into technology and big data after working with Italian insurer Generali for 10 years. Theresa is responsible for some of the first academic research into the adoption of Big Data into the Southeast Asian insurance business. Prior to starting Accelerating Insurance, Theresa worked with a German management consultancy as Asian Insurance Lead. As a well-recognized expert in the field, her advisory practice now brings to bear a deep knowledge of the InsurTech landscape in Asia and a fundamental understanding of upcoming trends, innovations and new technologies with the experience and know-how for applying it to incumbents. She is also the Founder of the Asia InsurTech Podcast and InsurTech Amplified.

Theresa wrote the new book, The Future of Insurance, Volume IV. Asia Rising, as the latest entry in the best-selling Future of Insurance series.

Highlights from the Show

  • Theresa comes from an insurance background, with parents who were agents, and her own career having started at Generali
  • She spent some time in Asia for Generali, and then decided to move there in 2015 after being fascinated by the activity in the region, and the developments and possibilities in insurance there
  • While there, she founded the Asia InsurTech Podcast, and recently started another with co-host Michael Waitz, called InsurTech Amplified.
    • For more on her background, you can hear the first time she was on the show in Season 1, Episode 13
  • Theresa joined the show to share the news that she has written a new book in The Future of Insurance series, volume 4, which is all about startup activity in Asia, and it will be released on October 17th, 2023 (and is already available for pre-order on Kindle)
  • Her aim was to tell the story of different types of startups in different countries and situations, including stories in Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, Indonesia and India
  • The companies profiled through first-hand accounts, often written through interviewing the company founders, are:
    • YAS
    • OneDegree
    • Tune Protect
    • bolttech
    • Qoala
    • PhonePe
    • Ping An
    • Habitto
  • One of the things that makes many markets in Asia so interesting for starting an insurance company is how low the penetration and knowledge of insurance is, which forces you to rethink how you enter and grow in the market
    • Embedded insurance comes up very often in the book because of this, including in the case about Qoala, YAS and bolttech
  • Japan is profiled through the case of Habitto, where the issue of an aging population, and a young generation that hasn't been focused on or served creates lessons that many other developed markets are or will soon be facing, like the US and Europe
  • There are three major takeaway lessons that applied across all of the cases and have value to people in different situations, markets and companies:
    • Build a customer-focused business
      • Many insurers are product-centric, thinking about their offering and how to market and run it successfully, rethinking this to start from the customer and their needs leads you to then see how insurance might fit into that equation – or not – which then informs the options available to you to move ahead
    • Embrace change
      • Don't just be open to change, but when things don't go as planned or don't work out, rather than ignoring the failure or looking to blame someone, take learnings and lessons from the experience to do better next time or have more insight about what customers really want (or don't want)
    • Leverage the power of partnerships
      • Ecosystems is a buzzword going around a lot today, but carriers often see themselves at the center of the ecosystem with others buzzing around them, but that's not always the ideal way to do it
      • You can't be good at everything, so you need the right partners to support your goals

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The Global Insurance Accelerator started in 2014 with a mission to drive innovation through the insurance industry. It was formed as a partnership between insurance carriers, innovation leaders, and local governmental leaders in Des Moines. Their goal was to bring a program to the industry that would combine mentor-led programming and early-stage capital to truly accelerate the best founders in the industry.

And since ideas and founders could come from anywhere and anyone, the GIA has brought in founders from all over the world in the years since, attracting founders from five continents and invested over $3 million in early-stage insurtech companies.

Today, with successful founder exits and an eye for growth in the future, the GIA is ready for the next decade, to bring innovation to the insurance industry through partnerships between companies, mentors, founders, and investors. Dan joined in 2022 as Managing Director. Prior to the GIA, he held roles in innovation, management and strategy, finance, and operations within a number of industries. Dan has an M.B.A. from the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University and a B.B.A. in Finance and Economics from the University of Iowa Henry B. Tippie College of Business.

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Alex Frommeyer is the co-founder and CEO of Beam Benefits, a digitally-native employee benefits company that offers dental, vision, life, disability, and supplemental health coverage for employers of all sizes. The company simplifies and modernizes the $100+ billion ancillary benefits industry through its intuitive online platform, self-service tools, AI-powered underwriting, and thoughtful coverage for improved overall wellness. Its Beam Perks™ program offers incentives to members and rewards them for healthy behaviors. Beam has raised over $160 million in funding and is available in 44 states across the U.S. Learn more at beambenefits.com

Highlights from the Show

  • Fro was on the show around the company he co-founded and is CEO of, Beam Benefits, was in The Future of Insurance, Volume II. The Startups
  • Beam started as a dental insurer, but 18 months ago spread to other benefits products in response to customer needs and their focus on those needs
  • Beam looks at established ancillary benefits and emerging ancillary benefits
    • Established are things like dental, group health, short and long term disability - products Beam has grown to include in its portfolio
    • Emerging ancillary benefits are driven by generational changes – things like pet insurance, mental and tele-health - and some purely new products like cancer coverage, and some non-insurance products in the wellness arena
    • This growth of products is about employers looking to create value for their employees rather than just coverage, which is different from P&C
  • Beam is a very customer-driven business, looking at what customers want or need, and let that define the kind of products they design (or don’t)
    • This helped as they setup their initial IoT-based, connected tooth brush and dental insurance to their move to non-IoT-based products
  • A lot has changed since Fro was on last time in the industry and with InsurTech investing
    • For Beam, they set a 2 year window to become Beam Benefits, and they’re at or ahead of schedule in that transformation
    • Benefits is more primed for new product introduction, with one key factor being brokers
      • Beam came out very counter to Zenefits in that they were pro-broker, and listened to brokers’ desire to not have everything change all at once, but do it more methodically
      • He’s seen an interest in changing so many things amongst some startups so quickly that the product becomes unrecognizable to the market and therefore struggles to take hold
    • Fro sees a transition from phase 1 to phase 2 companies, which means some will go out of business, but there’s also been an aggregate increase in employment in the space
    • A lot of founders have had to be heads down building or on the defensive for the prevailing tone of negativity from the focus on the failed startups or poor performers, and there would be benefit to the space to give some attention to celebrate what has worked well or been done to great benefit
    • Fro is optimistic about what customers will experience because of the presence of insurtech in the space
    • Fro see insurance existing on two axes - the risk transfer side and the customer experience side, and where the most innovation will be
      • He believes, if AI delivers on its promise, the impact on the risk axis will be profound
        • This would lower the capital required to start new coverage solutions, allowing more startups to try to innovate in the space
      • He also sees the benefits world more directly impacted by the experience axis to catch insurance up to where other consumer industries are

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Lisa Wardlaw a highly-experienced insurance executive with decades of experience. Lisa's entrepreneurial drive and deep industry knowledge can help your startup succeed in the insurance industry. She supports companies with unique perspectives and an authentic desire to innovate the insurance marketplace. Lisa's thought leadership and ability to create innovative insurance solutions across P&C, life, and health insurance is leveraged to provide guidance and solutions for insurtechs across North America and globally.

Highlights from the Show

  • Lisa works with corporate clients on innovation and supports insurtechs on their business strategy, go-to-market and sales and more
  • Her career spans over 25 years in the insurance industry, having worked in roles at different insurers across finance, strategy, innovation and other functions
  • Lisa talks about being expert on both longitude and latitude
    • You need to be able to go deep in insurance
    • You also can really stand out by going wide in your experience and what you bring to conversations to rapidly process the operational How of the issues you face
    • Lisa referenced The Fuzzy And The Techie by Scott Hartley in this conversation
  • You need to learn to think, not to know
    • Knowing is presumed, while the art of thinking and asking the questions of why
  • Lisa sees people struggling with is looking at things as at the present state rather than looking at things that aren't that could be
    • That means we do a lot of tweaking and iterating rather than rethinking
  • While we need to recruit new people into the industry, we need to be sure we don't lose the people in the industry today that can fuel change and growth because of the existing expertise we need for the change we still have to make
  • Investors need to be aware of and reasonable to the market contract conditions for startups to have a fighting chance
    • And founders need to be aware of the burn they face so they don't find themselves in a bind and needing to change their business model just to survive

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   Jeff Radke is CEO and Co-Founder of Accelerant, a technology-fueled insurance platform that empowers MGUs to more effectively and confidently serve small and medium enterprises. He has spent his career working across all areas of the insurance value chain, from underwriting to reinsurance in global markets. Prior to Accelerant, Jeff spent a decade at Argo Group International Holdings, but he became frustrated with thelegacy system’s antiquated technology and emphasis on maintaining their position in the value chain over doing right by the customer. This inspired him to co-found Accelerant to enable data-driven innovation and collaboration that puts customers first. Accelerant rebuilds the way that underwriters share and exchange risk to improve outcomes for everyone, with a focus on the SMBs that power our global economy and their niche insurance needs.

  **Highlights from the Show**

  * Jeff started his career in Reinsurance, which gave him an interesting perspective on insurance having looked at it from the end of the value chain
  • Accelerant runs a risk exchange, meaning they connect MGAs/MGUs/Program Administrators (who they call Members) with risk capital on the other side of the platform that likes the kinds of Specialty risks these members are writing
    • In between those parties, Accelerant's platform tries to make the regulatory and system complications as uncomplicated as possible by solving for them for their members
    • It's almost the opposite of what a fronting carrier is, and is more of a portfolio manager of risk
    • They try to provide stability of capital and appetite and the ability to capitalize on every opportunity an MGA finds
  • They've also become a way for existing insurers to get into the E&S or Specialty space without having to build the technology stack, distribution relationships or underwriting talent
    • It's very hard to build a business that can write large, esoteric, specialty risks and the higher volume E&O/PL, BOP and GL
    • It's a completely different human skillset and tech capability to keep a tight watch and understanding on how small, Specialty Lines portfolios change over time
  • They do monthly deep dives with their members to see if anything has changed with appetite, underwriting review, etc. to see if there's a potential driver of performance changes so they can react before it's ballooned out of control
  • Traditionally, program administrators haven't gotten the detailed data they need on things like regulatory compliance, loss trends, filings, etc., and Accelerant has worked to be as transparent as possible rather than treating their information as proprietary or something not to share
  • One reason Jeff thinks E&S will stay strong and not just be a fill-in for what can't go Admitted at the moment is because of the need to keep flexing on product and rate at a speed that the regulatory path cannot keep up with, especially with resource constraints there

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Steve Shaffer, CEO of Homesteaders Life, and Brent Williams, CEO and Co-Founder of Benekiva, join the show to share more behind-the-scenes details about the relationship their two companies have built. Homesteaders became Benekiva's first customer while also taking on the role of first investor in a story full of lessons, insights and guidance about how a startup so new its founders still had day jobs and a nearly-120-year-old mutual insurer can work together to change both organizations. Their story is the final case in the new book in The Future of Insurance series, Volume III. The Collaborators.

Highlights from the Show

  • Benekiva is a digitized claims, servicing and new business platform for insurers
  • Brent came up in the industry and saw the need for it first hand, and when he couldn't find a solution, he set out to build it
  • Homesteaders pays over 60k claims per, and saw the need for Benekiva's help, and knew it would be faster to partner than build it themselves
  • Benekiva went about things in a different way than was the norm in the industry, where most vendors over-promise and under-deliver; while people don't necessarily intend this, Benekiva almost goes 180 on the whole mindset to be completely transparent and honest about the good and the bad
  • For HLC, they also invested in Benekiva, which was their first insurtech investment, and their first true innovation investment

    • This took a lot of purposeful action and willingness to challenge themselves culturally to actually change their organization and how they think about innovation
    • They didn't have the scale to create a $100m venture fund or setup a big innovation team, but neither of those things would have had the same broad effect on the company as a whole
    • They drew a wall between the investment and client side because there could be unintended consequences of melding the two
    • As they got into the project, they started to notice that they were deviating from the 80/20 rule to more like 99/1, where a very small number of outlier requirements were holding up the whole project, which lead to one of the tougher spots in the project

    • They found that a consultant was working between the company, dragging the project – and their contract – out, rather than helping to move them to completion

    • This helped inform new values for HLC, including being bold, which shows up in how they work across the business today
    • Brent shares how different it is to build a great piece of tech vs. installing or delivering a great piece of tech, which is a whole other level of task

    • That brings in all of the complexities of your client on top of any questions about your technology

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Lars Boeing is a Vice President in Capgemini Invent’s Insurance Practice and leads Capgemini’s global Future of Claims offering. He has been working for 20+ years in consulting and corporate strategy roles, primarily on strategic projects, process optimization/ intelligent automation projects and business model redesign programs. Prior to joining Capgemini in January 2014, Lars was engaged with an FS firm in Germany where he was part of the corporate strategy department as well as the in-house consulting unit supporting the company’s different business lines. His engagements at Capgemini Invent include the design of various Future of Claims strategies and roadmaps for P&C personal lines and commercial lines insurers, leading large-scale Transformation programs, the process optimization using process mining, RPA and AI solutions for P&C and Life Insurers in Claims and other areas, design of digital strategies, assessing and maturing DevOps and SAFe organizations, implementing new regulations, the redesign of ways of working and Organizational Change Management for insurers, banks and captive finance firms. Lars holds an MBA from HHL Handelshochschule Leipzig, a Master’s degree in Banking from the Frankfurt School of Finance as well as a Master in Economics from University of Goettingen.

Highlights from the Show

  • Lars is a Vice President at Capgemini, and was part of the work in their annual World Insurance Report, which focused on the future of mobility insurance in the 2023 edition
  • The question is around what the shifting patterns of mobility mean to insurance, and how insurers can start to take actions today to prepare for a movement from insurance the asset of mobility today, a car, to the experience of mobility tomorrow across different modalities and moments, even if people don’t own cars
  • They also look at how we break from the interactive pattern of product development to truly creating coverage that insureds need as their situations evolve
  • Innovation has struggled in the industry often because the people responsible for it are separate from the main business, so they struggle to get new ideas into the core of the business
  • For example, if we look at embedding insurance into mobility, it’s looking at mobility itself as a service, and then thinking about how an insurer can be helpful across the experience and not just in offering coverage; are there ways the insurer can help coordinate mobility or provide safety guidance and support throughout a journey across different modalities, etc?
  • The nature of what is being insured is changing, and CG talks about ACES - Autonomous, Connected, Electric and Shared - when they talk about vehicles in the future

    • They see 8x growth for this space, while traditional Auto/Motor insurance will still be there, but will retract
    • The nature of risk is changing, too, where it’s not just about Auto Liability, but also software and cyber security risks as cars are connected and software-defined
    • They think carriers should think about 4 things

    • What is the value proposition carriers should think about offering in the future, and is it based on actual customer behavior and not what we say their behavior is?

    • How do we use that value proposition to change our business model?
    • What culture and capabilities do we need to have to support this model?
    • What is the risk management we need around these new products?
    • The report was built with very broad perspectives from across insurance, tech, auto manufacturers and more
    • You can get the report at future-of-insurance.com/capgemini

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Joshua Hollander is an experienced CEO and entrepreneur with a successful track record in executive search, executive leadership, fintech, and insurtech. He currently serves as North America CEO, Regional Director Americas and Board Member at Horton International, a boutique global retained executive search firm, where specializes in leadership roles and sales team build-outs for high-growth organizations in the fintech, insurtech, enterprise software and financial services sectors.

Throughout his career, Josh has been a strong advocate for innovation, leadership, digitization, corporate resiliency, and digital transformation. He is committed to developing customized business models and implementing creative solutions to drive top-line growth, increase profitability, and improve the client experience.

In addition to his role at Horton International, Josh is co-founder, Vice President, and Treasurer of the non-profit InsurTech Association, dedicated to strengthening and building the resiliency of the InsurTech industry through networking, education, mentorship, and shared resources. He is also a founding board member, Nominating Committee Chair, and Compensation Committee member of InnSure, a non-profit association that supports the development of innovative ways the insurance industry can contribute to the battle against climate risk.

Highlights from the Show

  • Josh’s work at Hollander focuses on helping solve talent needs at a senior level, and he specifically has a strong focus on Financial Services, including Insurance and InsurTech
  • He spent 20 years in the FS industry himself, which informs his work on the talent front today
  • Talent-wise, he sees there continuing to be a demand for people who can drive innovation and change
  • Many in the industry are approaching the end of their careers, which means having the programs to develop talent internally and to find outside talent, too
    • Some VCs talk about how the lack of skilled CFO/Financial hands at many startups, more money was burned than perhaps would have been with more financial acumen in place
  • COVID caused people to relook at their priorities and make different choices about where and how they work
    • For employers, that means if you want everyone in the office or not, both are fine (and so is a mix), but every option has challenges and other considerations to be mindful of – there are no easy choices with no follow-on decisions
    • There has also been a shift on risk aversion about working with startups, but there are people who are more risk averse, and others who lost their jobs and now have severance packages that allow them to take some career risk where they might not have before
  • The InsurTech Association, which Josh co-founded with Bob Sargent of eSpecialty, to address a need for help in the startup space
    • It’s a non-profit to help early-stage founders get the support and guidance they need to bring their idea to a successful place
    • The Insurance industry is hard to navigate and it takes a lot of handshakes to get to a successful relationship with buyers, so having help in going through that can be the different between success and running out of runway for a startup
  • There are several ways to get involved with the ITA, whether you’re a carrier, solution provider, investor, startup and more – just visit insurtechassociation.com

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Andrew N. Mais was nominated by Governor Ned Lamont to be Connecticut’s 33rd Insurance Commissioner. Mais is President-Elect and has served on the Executive Committee of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners since 2021. He currently serves on the International Relations, Property & Casualty, and Financial Regulation Standards committees. He also serves on the International Association of Insurance Supervisors (IAIS) Macroprudential and Executive Committees and on their Insurance Capital Standards Task Force.

The IAIS is the international standard-setting body responsible for developing and assisting in the supervision of the insurance sector.

Mais has led discussions in several forums on race, diversity, and inclusion at the state level and within the insurance industry and in insurance practices. He has also joined the efforts led by Governor Ned Lamont and Lt. Gov. Susan Bysiewicz to address social inequities in Connecticut, including the Council on Women and Girls and cultural competency initiatives.

Mais is also Co-Chair of the NAIC’s Special Executive Committee on Race and Insurance, charged with conducting research and analyzing issues of diversity and inclusion within the insurance sector.

Mais previously was a member of Deloitte’s Center for Financial Services, providing industry-leading thought leadership and insight on US and international regulatory affairs.

Prior to that, he was a Director at the New York State Insurance Department. There he served four governors as part of the Department’s senior leadership team through numerous events including the financial crisis of 2008 and major state and federal changes in health insurance regulations and laws.

Even outside the government, Mais dedicated much of his life to public service. He most recently served as chair of the Council on Ethics for the town of Wilton, CT, where he lives. Other recent service includes the Maritime Aquarium of Norwalk; the American Red Cross; the Board of Finance of the Town of Wilton; and the Rotary Club of Wilton.

Highlights from the Show

  • Commissioner Mais opened with the mentality that they are open at the Department, and that we are all in this together across the industry
  • He believes we do not do a good job marketing ourselves as an industry and how much it has to offer people
  • He has been on the regulator side through some major challenges in the industry, including the Great Financial Crisis and COVID
  • Thinking about how to be innovative and supportive of change, you have to start at the core mission of regulators to protect consumers and the industry to protect people and help them recover from loss
    • Regulators also have to protect competition and health in the market, and that takes innovation
    • A precursor of innovation is a willingness and appetite to fail
  • He’s seeing a movement to reduce friction, like easier Life insurance pre-underwriting processes to a move to risk mitigation like we’re seeing on Cyber
    • The Department in Connecticut is keeping this in mind as they consider the flexibility they need to support these efforts
  • Connecticut has been very collaborative and supportive of innovation in the industry, which Commissioner Mais sees as a function of a number of things, including the level of education in the state, the amount of insurance activity in the state, decisions of the administration to collaborate across departments and with business, etc
  • Climate Change is on his mind, given that CT has the second highest concentration of coastal insured property in the country, so he’s not just looking at access to insurance but also efforts to reduce exposure through smarter building decisions, mitigating actions, etc.
    • States, being independent of each other and not part of a federal regulatory system, are all experimenting, trying things, and sharing their experience with each other
    • As President-elect of the NAIC, Commissioner Mais sees the federated model of state regulation being a big contributor to the health and strength of the industry
  • He leaves with the idea of Collaboration and working together as central to the future of the industry; an us vs. them mentality will not work
    • That means every party needs to come together – consumers, companies, regulators – and see how we can get to Yes on ideas that are of genuine benefit in helping people get protected

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Andrew Johnston is the Global Head of Gallagher Re InsurTech. Based out of Nashville, Andrew is responsible for managing all InsurTech engagements (where InsurTechs are clients, and where InsurTech solutions are providing solutions to Gallagher Re’s traditional insurance client base). Andrew runs a global team who conduct deep forensic research on the InsurTech landscape, and also support a number of InsurTechs themselves who originate risk. Andrew is the author and editor of the Global Gallagher Re InsurTech report. He holds a PhD from the University of London.

Highlights from the Show

  • Andrew runs Gallagher Re's insurtech business, after doing the same for Willis Re, which joined AJG's Re business in 2021.
  • He got into the industry to look at the major trends like Cyber, the Sharing Economy and InsurTech while they were still new, and he felt that there was a strong role for a reinsurance broker in the emergence of these trends, especially InsurTech
  • Andrew and his team produces the Gallagher Global InsurTech Report, which is a go-to resource everyone should get
  • Today, they find that everything has a tech angle, so the term InsurTech seems unnecessary or increasingly meaningless as a differentiator
  • While funding is down, it's driven mostly by fewer mega rounds than a general crash in funding
  • They are seeing a better understanding at a senior level at carriers of the What rather than the How, meaning more of a focus on the value created by the solution rather than just the tech or company itself
  • While most companies are at the point of recognizing the need to digitize and modernize, some will get modernized by proxy because the partners they work with will have digitized, and these companies will use these new tools in their business
  • Companies are also being more disciplined in their selection of solutions, which actually can lead to more activity than fewer because buyers are more sure of what to do
  • While Andrew sees the overall idea and structure of insurance staying consistent into the future, he sees room for aspects to shift, like less focus on squeezing fractional points out of expenses, but rather new capital, coverage ideas or buyers or insured moments

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Randel is a dynamic insurance professional who recently joined Swiss Re's Reinsurance Solutions division as a VP of Strategic Partnerships. Prior to this, he co-founded an insurtech MGA focused on providing private passenger auto insurance to Hispanic consumers in the US. With a strong background in insurance product development and management, he has held notable positions at Allstate, Encompass, National General, First Chicago, and iptiQ. Randel is based in Chicago and is a proud alumnus of Florida International University. Outside of work, he enjoys attending sporting events, planning trips, and creating memorable meals with friends.

Highlights from the Show

  • Randel has worked in Insurance, mainly on the product side, throughout his career, and is now leading Strategic Partnerships at Swiss Re after co-founding a non-standard auto MGA
  • There's an interesting contrast between working in niche businesses or a startup and then going to Swiss Re, given the scale, complexity and global structure of it
  • Randel works within the Reinsurance Solutions unit, which looks at investing and supporting new ideas coming to market, especially from startups
    • They also have internal solutions they've built that they can offer to others, including non-insurers
    • Randel gets to play with these solutions and the reinsurance capacity to deploy into the insurtech space
  • Over the last year, getting capacity, whether fronting or reinsurance, has gotten harder, especially if you have no background in the industry to backup your underwriting skills
  • Loss picks are coming in higher these days, and it matters, whereas the focus was on distribution in the past
  • Having been on both sides of the equation, Randel saw first hand how a large carrier might takes months to make a decision, while a startup could run out of runway waiting for it
  • Looking forward, Randel is looking at ideas that have a purpose and meaningful difference, and those who are hyper-focused on those ideas and know where they're going to go and how to execute against that direction and vision
  • Embedded is also of interest because it can create more price inelasticity, giving you room to price as you need to rather than having market pressure working against you
    • Looking at Apple Care, these were embedded from the start and it's ubiquitous no matter where or how you buy an Apple product, and Randel sees that as what we should be trying to get to
  • At a big carrier, Randel felt like the mentality was "We can't do this because X," whereas, at a startup, it's "Why can't we do this?"
  • Bet on yourself - if you see something that excites you, ask yourself what the worst case is, and ask if you can deal with that; if you can, make that leap

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As Chief Executive Officer of Irys Insurtech, Margeaux has more than 15 years of executive experience in operations and digital transformation for the insurance and finance space.

Named Insurtech Woman CEO of the Year, Top 20 Insurtech provider of 2022, Forbes Technology Council member and regular Forbes.com contributor, Margeaux is not only passionate about injecting cutting edge tech into insurance, she’s proactive in changing the landscape for women as well.

Margeaux is a founding member of InsureWomen and InsureEquality, Network Liaison of the Central Florida network of the Association of Professional Insurance Women, as well as a member of the UCONN Fintech Masters Program Advisory Board and newly appointed Chair of the Insurance Agency Owners Alliance Tech Council.

Highlights from the Show

  • Margeaux started outside insurance and saw the difficulty in getting coverage for that business, so she got into the Commercial P&C agency space with a knowledge of the hard time people having meeting their insurance needs
  • As she progressed, she and her husband bought an agency, and have built it into a multi-office business today
  • Selling into the agent space is tough, and those who have found success have been grass-roots, community-focused efforts
  • Because agents all competed against each other in a local market, it made it hard for them to come together under a common goal, but COVID changed that because location stopped being a constraint for most agents, meaning fighting against your neighbor for business was no longer relevant
  • IRYS was built to try to solve the issues Margeaux saw as an agent, which was about the need to pull together all the great point-solutions coming out in a way that was financially viable for an independent agent
  • IRYS is a micro-service-based approach to pull together best-of-breed solutions easily, including the data and the UX/UI, rather than trying to build all the solutions themselves

  • IRYS hits on a lot of the buzzwords today (e.g., 360 customer view, digital transformation, etc), which is a gift and a curse because a lot of solutions promised these words, but don't deliver, so the industry is jaded and hesitant

  • Margeaux has built a strong following on social media, especially LinkedIn, which she sees it moving from a place to show off your professional achievements and resume to one where meaningful conversations are happening today
  • The glossing over of the truth on social media, conferences or sales pitches is dangerous as companies make decisions and expect to get something, but the reality is not what they were sold – things take longer, cost more and do less, and for a small agent, those extra costs and time can put them out of business
  • The sunk costs of what we've put in can lead us to feel like we can't stop, but then agency owners get trapped with something that may never work, but keeps costing more

  • Being micro-service based means IRYS doesn't need to get into those dangerous waters or be a rip-and-replace situation, instead they can work on pieces of the puzzle that are manageable

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Sam White is the multi-award-winning CEO of Freedom Services, an ever-expanding insurance business including Action 365, Pukka Insure and Freedom Brokers in the UK, and Stella Insurance in Australia. Having started her first company in 1999 aged just 24 in her sister’s conservatory, 22 years later she employs over 160 staff with offices in Cheadle, Cheshire, and Sydney, Australia with a turnover of over £14million. Sam cares passionately about diversity, equality, innovation and above all, making business human. Motivated by a desire to change the insurance industry for the better, Sam is a vocal advocate for levelling the playing field for women and championing female leaders within the industry. In addition to being a successful entrepreneur, Sam is a regular business commentator in media and have been seen discussing current business affairs on BBC’s Wake Up to Money and Ian King Live on Sky News. She also hosts her own podcast “Human Business with Sam White” where she candidly discusses successes and failures with fellow business owners.

Highlights from the Show

  • Sam started her first business at 24, doing motor claim adjusting work
  • Having started a business as a young female in a very male-dominated space, you realize there are certain things that don't work for men or women in the industry or the consumers
  • This is what drove the creation of Stella – what if the Financial Services industry more broadly was designed from a right-brain standpoint with more creative, supportive energy, would that better meet the needs of women (and others)?
    • They started by asking what people need, not just presuming they know, even if Stella's leadership was predominantly female, so they did a great deal of research to understand what risks people had that they needed help protecting, and how to go about that
    • They also found things women in particular were not happy about with insurance, including the 'loyalty tax' where you get a cheaper price as a new customer, and then it goes up when you renew, penalizing you for loyalty – no one likes that, but women had stronger feelings about it in particular
  • Stella is less about products only for women than something built from that perspective and energy
  • Stella currently writes Motor cover in Australia and the UK, have Pet in Australia, and are adding Travel in both markets
  • The goal is to cross all of Financial Services with their approach, and to be a global offering
  • The Stella Effect is about their ability to add to the product with the female perspective, and either redesign an existing product or create something new, like a Domestic Abuse cover to add to Motor
  • They give back to several community-focused organizations in the markets they operate in, and support female entrepreneur forums
  • The future of insurance to Sam is about the original purpose of insurance to protect society, and finding a way to create coverage to protect the true unmet needs of people

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Paul Tyler serves as Chief Marketing Officer for Nassau Financial Group where he leads the marketing strategy, digital channels and innovation activity. Paul drives the branding of the insurance companies and affiliated asset management companies.

He built a direct-to-consumer channel for Nassau Re. In addition, he launched Nassau Re/Imagine, an Insurtech-focused incubator based in Hartford. Prior to his role at Nassau Re, he worked at Fidelity & Guaranty Life, MetLife in a variety of roles in strategy, marketing, operations, technology, sales, and compliance. He earned his A.B. from Princeton University and his J.D. from Cornell Law School.

Highlights from the Show

  • Earlier in Paul's career, he was part of the demutualization of MetLife, and he reflected on where they thought the industry was going back then, which was a story of consolidation and few, if any, new insurers; they also saw the stock market as the main source of financing
    • In fact, there have been new insurers, including Nassau, which was founded in 2015
    • Also, Private Equity and other sources of capital have become far more impactful and prevalent than they thought
  • Paul joined as CMO to help build the company and drive transformation to the Cloud
  • Nassau has also been very active in helping to develop the startup community in their home city of Hartford, CT
    • There was a push from several organizations and the government (city and state) to drive innovation in Hartford when Paul arrived in 2016
    • They build startup bootcamps, competitions and more
    • Nassau opened up part of their offices to startups to help incubate them and connect them with other potential customers
  • Post-pandemic, they've focused more on startups that Nassau could directly work with
  • A lot of what they're seeing in their core of Life & Annuities is similar to what P&C focuses on despite all the perceived differences between the two spaces
    • Life & Annuities have lower transaction volume, but the duration of the product adds a lot of complexity
    • They're thinking about compliance, using ML to understanding your business, how you deal with legacy mainframes that still have business on them
  • We talked about the issues in Healthcare and Health Insurance, and the impact on so many aspects of the economy
  • Medicare Supplemental and Advantage plans are actually really tied to retirement planning because of the financial impact they have on your finances, so Nassau is working on this space, too
  • The regulation and inter-dependencies of every factor at play create barriers to innovation in the Healthcare space, making this tricky and why the help of companies like Nassau would be important to get some new ideas to market
  • It's been hard for the industry to do innovation because it means changing, and it's tricky to balance having people free from the business to look at what's new but not too removed from the business for those new ideas to get implemented

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Carey Anne Nadeau is the Co-Founder and Co-CEO of LOOP, a car insurance agency that makes it their business to serve the underserved, including people who have no or low credit. Using data in novel ways, LOOP is capitalizing on industry-wide mis-pricing, delivering an affordable and dignified experience to its members.

Carey believes that by using data we can reveal and correct for institutionalized bias, supporting smart policy making and building big businesses in the blind spot of legacy financial services institutions.

She’s been chipping away at this problem for 15 years, founding multiple companies, becoming a vocal advocate for justice and equality, and being a thought leader in the smart cities and open data movements.

Carey honed her craft at premier research and academic institutions – the Brookings Institution and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where she holds a Research Affiliate appointment and a Master’s Degree from the Dept of Urban Studies and Planning. She’s been published in books, articles, and won national awards for her cutting-edge work using geospatial statistics to discuss the living wage and urban mobility.

Highlights from the Show

  • Carey's career was focused on data and decision making, which is where her interest in insurance as a social good came from, wondering if there was a way for data to create fairer ways to cover people
  • She co-founded LOOP as an auto insurer that tries to undo the industry practice of using credit to price risk, and instead do so in ways that are fairer and rely on what actually correlates to risk
  • LOOP is the only standard auto insurer that has committed not to using credit, but also doesn't use profession or other things that can drive bias
  • Credit's issues stem from very real, normal things that people do, like having student loan debt, working as a 1099 instead of W2 employee and more
  • Instead, LOOP considers things like the roads you drive on, and the likelihood of crashes on them rather than credit
  • Carey talked about how credit varies in ways that's uncorrelated with risk
  • She sees a future 10 years from now that won't include credit
  • Regulators are more open to moving past credit than some may think because they care deeply about redlining and ensuring people are getting a fair shake
  • LOOP can show regulators two ZIP codes and crash risk, and that there's an equal probability in the wealthy and poor neighborhood, so why would ZIP be a basis to charge more for the poor neighborhood when the risk is the same?
  • When it comes to new data and AI, there's no silver bullet – it's hard work, and you have to figure it out, invest in the models, and monitor them over time; you can't just throw AI at it and pray it works
  • The impact is that the average auto policy is $1100, and these people with the same risk but a worse credit profile are paying $1600, which is a massive disadvantage
  • Segmentation matters, and many in the industry seemed to have stopped at where we got in the mid-2000s rather than being willing to really challenge things
  • We discussed the three waves of InsurTech insurers
    • 1st wave - eSurance, which was about digitizing the process
    • 2nd wave - those who tried to push on tech approaches without considering underwriting mindsets as much
    • 3rd wave - companies like LOOP that are not looking to grow at all costs, but start from a strong underwriting mindset
  • There's a return to capital efficiency in today's macro-economic environment, which provides opportunities to get good talent and to stay steady, focused and disciplined while others are stalling or faltering

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance Volume III. The Collaborators, part of the Future of Insurance thought leadership series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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Omari Jahi Aarons is a disruptive leader and transformation coach with over 15 years of experience in Corporate America at Fortune 150 companies. He is the Executive Director and COO of the National African American Insurance Association (NAAIA). NAAIA was organized to create a network among people of color and others employed in or affiliated with the insurance industry.

Omari has built infrastructures to support culture change efforts and originated roles. Omari’s work connects consumer demand with rising employee expectations for workplaces to be representative of the populations they serve and are embedded with the innovative mindsets needed to lead most effectively.

Omari has received numerous honors for his commitment to community building and civic engagement and demonstrated inclusive leadership. Insurance Business America honored Omari with their inaugural Leader of Change award in September 2020 and the Rising Star Award in October 2020. Omari was selected by the Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce as a 2020 Ten Outstanding Young Leader and named a 2021 40 LGBTQ Leader Under 40 for North America by Business Equality Magazine.

Omari is a graduate of Xavier University in Cincinnati, OH, and is a Howard Thurman Fellow at Boston University School of Theology where he is pursuing his Master of Divinity in Global and Community Engagement. He is a Workhuman Certified Professional.

Highlights from the Show

  • Omari Jahi Aarons started his professional career outside of insurance, working in operations, L&D and HR at Macy's before coming to Insurance
  • He spent 5 years at Liberty Mutual before doing his own consulting work on DE&I
  • In June 2022, he joined the National African American Insurance Association (NAAIA) as the COO and Executive Director
  • NAAIA started 26 years ago, started by a Black agent in Cincinnati who saw a need for a supportive organization in the industry
  • By the end of 2019, they had grown to 1,000 members and 23 chapters across the country, and should pass 2,500 soon with new chapters joining, as well
  • NAAIA's mission is to help diversify the industry through professional development, personal empowerment (e.g., mentoring and support) and access to talent opportunities
  • DE&I is a common topic today, but also something that's frequently in the news as something getting pushback or being seen as agitating
  • The intention is the opposite, and about fostering togetherness rather than being a source of division
  • For Insurance, this is as much about talent as it is about our products and how they serve diverse populations, and the history of underserving them or operating in ways that hold those populations back

  • Looking at diversity numbers, we often mask the real issue because there are pockets with high diversity, but they tend to be in lower-paying, customer-facing roles rather than leadership roles

  • Omari has a simple question he asks to get at this: other than the security guard or support staff, when you look at your calendar for the week, how many people of color will be in those meetings?

  • Workplace engagement can be helped by

  • Having a work friend who knows the unwritten rules of the environment and can help you work through situations you've been in
  • Having a mentor, internally and externally, to give you guidance and challenge

  • NAAIA and Marsh & McLennan just released their assessment of progress on DE&I

  • They saw a number of initiatives proposed and implemented, however
  • They also saw that the work so far has not had material impact yet as the progress of diversity up through the ranks has not changed materially
  • Where it has, it was driven by having coaching and support within your organization
  • What we see is, generally, under-sponsorship, under-mentoring and under-recognized
  • People doing DE&I work or taking on stretch work to support the efforts aren't recognized or rewarded for it, so the work doesn't help them move forward
  • In some cases, it can hurt them as they may be seen to be distracted from their core deliverables
  • And yet, there is often an expectation that diverse employees have to take on the responsibility for these efforts
  • Omari talks about the cost of being 'one of the only', and how you're expected to be involved in everything, which pulls you off your job-specific work, too
  • There are people who are willing to be the first, and that's ok if the organization is willing to be honest about that, and support them in helping to change the picture

  • Omari reminds people hoping to make change to ask, "What can I do?"

  • We all have the ability to make our environments more equitable and inclusive
  • Think about it 1 hour a day, and do something 1 hour a week
  • This creates micro moments that create change in aggregate

  • We all win when we're more diverse – the data on that is clear – but we need to be specific about what that means and what we're going to do about it

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance Volume III. The Collaborators, part of the Future of Insurance thought leadership series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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Jae Arias is an Underwriting Account Service Associate in construction for Zurich North America and a 2022 graduate of the Zurich Apprenticeship Program. She became a member of Zurich’s first New York cohort of apprentices after Zurich expanded the program beyond its Illinois headquarters in 2020.

Despite the challenges of working and studying remotely at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, Arias thrived in the program, being inducted into the Honor Society at the Borough of Manhattan Community College and successfully completing her apprenticeship in September 2022. She was promoted into her current role in addition to earning a Department of Labor Registered Apprentice certification and an Associate Degree in Business Management with a concentration in insurance from BMCC.

Before joining Zurich in 2020, Arias managed a dermatology office. She wanted to go to college, but the math didn’t work: She would need to work less to attend classes, but she’d need to earn more to pay for them. A friend who worked at Zurich told her about the insurance provider’s apprenticeship program. The math worked both financially and for Arias’ family: The program pairs three days a week of on-the-job learning with two days focused on schoolwork. Zurich pays apprentices a full-time salary with benefits, and covers tuition and books.

Arias pivoted out of a desire to better her life and be a role model to her children, the third of whom was born during her apprenticeship.

Today she is pursuing her bachelor’s degree through online studies at Loyola University Chicago, with help from Zurich’s tuition benefits, while working full time and serving as an Apprentice Alumni Advisor to current apprentices. She is also part of Zurich’s international Apprenticeship Buddy Program, with participants in countries such as Spain, Germany, Mexico and more. Her buddy, based in Switzerland, recently visited Arias at Zurich’s Manhattan office.

Arias enjoys sharing her experience and recently visited a Brooklyn charter high school to speak to seniors and alumni about apprenticeship.

Highlights from the Show

  • Jae was managing an office when pandemic lockdowns struck, putting her job in jeopardy
  • A friend mentioned a program Zurich had started where you can go to school and work, and she decided to look into it
  • Zurich North America's Apprentice program pays for students to finish their associate or technical degree while also employing them full time
    • While they earn full-time pay, they are in school two days a week and at work three days a week
    • Zurich provides an hour a day during work for studying
    • An extensive support program is in place, including coaches, mentors, apprentice graduates and peers, recognizing that the issue isn't just a money problem, but a more holistic question of supporting people pursuing their education while also needing to support themselves and their families
    • Upon graduating from the program in two years, apprentices have a full-time role at Zurich to move into
  • This helped Jae break the cycle many people find themselves in where they want to finish their degree, but need to work and may have families to care for as well, so giving time to any one of those demands can make the whole chain break – less time to work means less money for school, but you need time for school or you won't graduate; etc
  • Due to its success, the program has been expanding to more cities and school across the country, after its beginnings in the Chicago area, expansion to New York (where Jae joined the program), and now into Texas and Atlanta
  • Zurich has found this to be a valuable way to work on the talent issue we all talk about in insurance while also bringing in new and different talent than they might ever have had access to with past approaches

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance Volume III. The Collaborators, part of the Future of Insurance thought leadership series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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Keith Daly is Chief Claims Officer for Zurich North America, where he is responsible for leading the Claims unit in delivering transactional excellence in claim handling and achieving a consistent level of superior customer service.

Prior to his current position, Daly was President of Personal Lines for Farmers Insurance®, where he was responsible for product development, strategy and underwriting efforts for the Farmers® Personal Lines, Bristol West® and Foremost®lines of business. Daly was also responsible for Toggle, Farmers’ subscription-based Renters Insurance program. He also previously served as Chief Claims Officer for Farmers, and before that led their Property and Auto Claims units. Prior to Farmers, Daly served in a number of senior leadership roles with 21st Century Insurance and was the Vice President of Field Claims Operations. His career in the insurance industry began in 1993 as a claims representative trainee at Progressive Casualty Insurance Co. in Atlanta, Georgia.

Daly earned a Bachelor of Science in Economics from Florida State University.

Highlights from the Show

  • Keith Daly started his career at the front lines of Claims, doing First Notice of Loss intake, and has progressed through roles and lines, becoming Chief Claims Officer at Farmers, and now at Zurich North America
  • Keith sees three industry-level challenges looking ahead that no single carrier can solve alone
    • Climate
    • Talent
    • Social Inflation & Nuclear Verdicts
  • Talent is about a lot more today than it was, and the social component matters more to new talent, which is part of why Zurich is focused on efforts like they have going in New Orleans around the Zurich Classic golf event where they give back to the community, which they’ve done for the past 19 years with nearly $30 million
  • They run an apprenticeship program in conjunction with several schools and other companies (like Aon) to find new talent, support the cost of their education, give them a career path and provide the structure and support to help them through the program and beyond
    • This includes specific time to study, mentorship, coaching and more to help ensure people graduate from the program and stay for a long-term career in insurance and at Zurich
    • This takes changing culture to really mean what you say and do it
  • Zurich started a Defense Counsel Summit to try to share best practices amongst the industry to find solutions that help counter the plaintiff’s bar’s tactics to change the path of indemnity outcomes that are driving insurance severity and rates
  • They’ve also worked together with partners, regulators and legislators to try to drive changes in the underlying dynamics, like the new legislation that was recently passed in Florida
  • Keith sees opportunity in Data and AI, but we should also think about what it would mean for the plaintiff’s bar and others to bring new suits and claims

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance Volume III. The Collaborators, part of the Future of Insurance thought leadership series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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Aaron Steffey is from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and is the Co-Founder and Co-CEO for Propeller Bonds—a company with a goal to simplify, automate, and distribute surety bonds more efficiently for agents and carriers. In his role, he is responsible for the company’s strategy, fundraising, and growth efforts. Steffey began his career as a managing partner for his family’s Indianapolis-based insurance firm, Steffey Insurance Agency, and holds an MBA from Villanova University.

Highlights from the Show

  • Aaron started his career as an agent, and they did not do a lot of Surety Bond work, but had a need every now and then
  • Propeller aims to make transacting Surety as simple and efficient as possible so the business doesn’t walk out the door to go to another agent or a direct, web-based solution
    • Propeller launched in 2020 to automate what they saw as 'transactional' Surety, meaning quick turn bonds, taking a minute to get a Bond
    • As the technology progressed, they were able to move up-market to automate pieces of the process while involving a person in the underwriting
    • They white label it for agents and brokers to be customer-facing or used internally
      • Most are still transacted by the agent today
    • They have 20 carriers on their panel across all kinds of class codes and areas
  • From 20 agents on their MVP in March/April 2020, they have over 2,600 on the platform today
  • They were originally only going to release in the states that accepted electronic signatures and notary seals, but COVID meant every state suddenly was an option, so Propeller was able to expand nationally given the flexibility of their platform
    • Economic activity needing Bond was happening in pockets of the country, like Florida and Texas, but the Bond was being serviced in areas that were more locked down, like NYC
  • One barrier for agents writing Bond is how expensive it is for carriers to appoint them, so Propeller allows agents to get access to Bond through Propeller even if they only write one policy
  • Surety is a three party agreement, with the agent, carrier and oblige, so there are a lot of needs to solve for, which Propeller made a point of trying to do rather than only solving for one or two parts of that
  • Looking ahead, the train has left the station for electronic acceptance, but there are some parties looking at Blockchain as a way to start verifying that a Bond is in place
  • He also sees Embedded being a good fit for Bond
  • It's been hard for carriers to solve the issues in Bond because even the biggest Bond carrier's book is small relative to everything else they do, but every carrier has an appetite, so they can't solve the entire market need
    • That's why Propeller realized they couldn't just have one carrier backing them, but needed a panel to cover the breadth of appetite needs of the market

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance Volume III. The Collaborators, part of the Future of Insurance thought leadership series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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Haytham and Brian join the show to share the story of how Nationwide and Kinetic worked together initially as an investment, and then to build an MGA backed by Nationwide to help reduce worker injury through the application of Kinetic's IoT-based intervention that helps stop dangerous movements as they're happening. Their story is the first case in the new book in The Future of Insurance series, Volume III. The Collaborators.

Brian Anderson is a partner at Nationwide and a former management associate in the company's Financial Leadership Rotation Program. Prior to joining Nationwide, Anderson was an intern at JPMorgan Chase in data analytics. Brian also worked as a venture fellow at Innovate Indiana Fund, where they served on the board of directors for Apex Therapeutics, Cause.it, and Fathom Voice. Anderson began their career as an intern in business development and M&A at Cephalon, Inc. (Teva Pharmaceuticals).

Anderson has an NBA from the Kelley School of Business at Indiana University, and a B.A. in economics from Colorado College.

Haytham Elhawary is cofounder and Chief Strategy Officer of KINETIC. Guided by a mission to help the front-line worker stay safe and healthy, he has led the development of a smart wearable device to reduce workplace injuries. KINETIC is reinventing workers compensation insurance by including its wearable technology as part of the policy.

Elhawary holds a PhD in biomedical engineering from Imperial College London and a Mechanical Engineering degree from University of Navarra in Spain. His professional experience includes the development of medical robots at both Philips Electronics and Harvard Medical School. Prior to launching KINETIC in 2014, Elhawary served as Executive Director of the Zahn Innovation Center, a hardware startup incubator.

Elhawary and his company are based out of New York, where he also writes theatre reviews and loves to do improvised comedy.

  • Haytham Elhawary is co-founder and CEO of Kinetic
    • They started in 2014 to build tech to reduce workplace injuries, primarily in frontline workers
    • This was inspired by watching his mother, a nurse, get injured a lot from moving patients, and seeing the impact it had on her life
  • Brian Anderson is a Partner at Nationwide Ventures
    • They met Haytham in 2016, and were impressed by what the team had built
    • Given Nationwide Venture's focus on things that connect to the company's mission, this appealed to them, as did how far the team at Kinetic got on a shoe string budget
    • Nationwide chose to invest in Kinetic at that time, and see if there were opportunities for the insurance side of the business to work with Kinetic
  • It was hard to get investment in the safety tech space because most VCs weren't thinking about that back then, making Nationwide a very rare and appropriate kind of investor for Kinetic when they met
  • Brian talked about how, as investors, you need to be open to net new ideas if they want to find exciting new opportunities rather than letting your biases close you down to them
  • The VC team introduced Kinetic to the Workers Comp team to look into a pilot opportunity, but the net result of the pilot wasn't strong, so Kinetic went off on their own and found self-insureds to test with and grow
    • Not working out in that pilot wasn't a loss, though, as both teams learned a lot from it to see where it may not work, why, and what they can do instead, which was useful
  • After 4 years and close to 35k workers wearing the device, Kinetic had data on dramatic reduction in injuries – 53% fewer injuries and over 70% fewer lost days from injuries – proving the impact their solution can have
  • With that knowledge, they looked at how they can accelerate their impact, and learned about the MGA model as a way to sell insurance connected to the impact of their device
  • That lead to Kinetic working with Nationwide E&S as the capacity for their insurance product
    • The VC team opened the introduction, but it took the team at Kinetic being prepared, knowing their data, understanding what needed to be done, etc., to get the E&S team to get on board
    • The two teams met in the summer of 2021, and were writing policies by December, which is incredibly fast
  • They had talked to multiple carrier partners, but some things really stood out about Nationwide's approach
    • Kinetic wanted to distribute the product themselves through their own broker relationships, and wanted to underwrite with their data
    • They didn't want to do the more core insurance things like regulatory compliance or claims because they lacked the skills and people to do it right, and Nationwide was happy to manage those things
    • They also were upfront about not knowing everything about what they're trying to do because it's the first time they were doing it, and Nationwide was open and understanding about it being a learning process for both of them
  • There are always risks of a big company moving at its own speed, which can be too slow for a startup, and Nationwide was able to move very fast here
    • The Venture team was helpful in trying to problem solve speed issues, but never forced anything or demanded it, instead working to be collaboratively internally
  • Kinetic finished their first year 12x ahead of Nationwide's projections for premium, and the loss ratio is 20 points better than the industry number
    • This shows that the idea is viable, the technology is helping protect people, and giving it away with the insurance is proving to be the right answer

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Bryan Davis serves as Executive Vice President and Head of VIU by HUB, a digital brokerage platform backed and developed by HUB International, the largest personal lines broker in the U.S. He is responsible for the vision and strategy, profit & loss, investment priorities and supporting a network of alliance partners.

With more than 20 years of industry experience, Davis has led transformational projects and driven growth in personal and commercial lines, product management and pricing, sales and business development, underwriting and operations.

An industry leader in product, sales, and digital innovation, Davis previously held leadership positions with USAA, Nationwide, and AIG.

Davis is a graduate of Wofford College and also has an MBA. He’s also credentialed as a ChFC & CPCU. and is also a former Member of the Board of Directors of the American Red Cross of San Antonio.

Highlights from the Show

  • Bryan spent his career working across different underwriting, product and strategy roles at insurers like USAA and Nationwide
  • He joined HUB to build their new unit, VIU
  • VIU says they're trying to be a good broker for consumers
  • Looking back over the past 20 years, despite all the digitization and move to the internet of the insurance buying and service experience, customers are more under-insured than they used to be
  • We also have seen that, despite the war cry to the contrary, the independent agent and broker channel has not gone away, so there's clearly a desire from consumers to have the things this channel provides
  • This is what HUB setup to solve for with VIU – brining together the digital advancements typically only seen with direct writers, but in a way that still brings the access and advice of the intermediated channel
    • At the same time, it's not just about digitizing the sales process, which is what aggregators have effectively focused on, but rather thinking more holistically about the entire customer journey, including service, claims and renewal
    • Tech has evolved to allow for this now, so you don't have to leave the customer to fend for themselves after you make a sale
  • Despite being built within a major broker, they started from scratch when it came to the technology and processes rather than putting a shiny new skin on top of the existing tools HUB had in place
  • Bryan believes you need a good generalist lens of someone who understands the aspects of the insurance business, but can also understand the technology of it, rather than being purely tech or purely business
  • They had to ask themselves who they want to be – a technology company or a broker? They want to be a broker, so their decisions are around being a good broker to their customers and building a viable distribution business
    • This is similar to what carriers face as they look at the push from insurtech competitors
    • They see the "What" side and the "How"
      • What - the insurance expertise, but you need to make sure the people aren't constrained by the past of the industry
      • How - technologists who can operate in an Agile environment, and deliver nimbly and adaptably
      • Then you need to get both sides to understand the others
  • VIU focuses on personal lines and small commercial, but think about the consumer as their defining bounds rather than specific products
    • Customer segments are fluid right now, and people want different experiences from person to person within segments, so HUB is trying to stay responsive in who works through VIU or doesn't, letting the customer define that
  • VIU sees distribution as the path to a unified industry and customer experience, and larger distributors like HUB are well positioned to offer the experiences and technologies needed for the future customer
  • They also see human producers as continuing to be valuable and necessary into the future

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Nigel is the Managing Director for Insurance at Google Cloud, responsible for leading the firms approach to Insurance, leveraging the best in market capability from Google's Cloud proposition, addressing mission critical Insurance challenges, from claims and underwriting to leveraging our AI and ML know how - driving better business outcomes. Nigel also works with the broader Alphabet companies to bring their experience and insights to partner with our existing insurance customers.

Prior to this, Nigel was a Partner in Deloitte Digital where he led on a number of areas for the firm including Global Future of Insurance and InsurTech. He has contributed to a number of books on insurance and technology including The InsurTech Book and the AI Books published by Wiley. He also co-authored a report on the Sharing Economy and the opportunity for Insurers for Lloyds of London. He has a background in end to end technology transformation from core systems through to digital transformation initiatives including helping clients to identify and launch new products to market and establish new businesses from scratch, for insurers and more recently non insurers.

You can find Nigel talking about Insurance regularly online as Co Host for InsurTech Insiders Podcast - here, through his articles and PoV on LinkedIn here, or regular conversation on all things Insurance & InsurTech on Twitter here.

Highlights from the Show

  • Nigel sees his role at Google as being at one of the largest companies on the planet with the task of changing one of the most important industries on the planet
  • There's a pressure to move forward faster in the industry, and occasionally it's driven by major forces, like COVID, that show us the need but also our ability to actually do it
  • Many companies now have digital indigestion, where we raced forward so quickly but didn't learn how to keep moving forward

  • Nigel sees knowledge and innovative moves like milk – you can put it in the fridge, but it still has a shelf life; you can't just buy it once and expect it to be good for ever

  • It doesn't mean what we've done is wrong, but there might be opportunities to do things in enhanced or different ways
  • Sometimes, we focus on digitizing something we do that we fail to ask if we need to do that thing in the first place

  • How to achieve this is a question of what's the inside-out view to see what could be done, but that can be limiting

  • You might find something that's possible to do, but isn't fit for the market necessarily, where Nigel uses an example of trimming so many questions in an application that the prospect is left questioning whether your price and coverage is actually appropriate for them

  • Nigel shared an experience where he was asked questions during the quote process that were not only burdensome, but he was not positioned to answer them, such as the value of the battery in your EV, the type and age of locks in your home, etc.

  • This information may be necessary for pricing the risk, but is the customer actually positioned answer it correctly, and then are you using this flawed data in your pricing?
  • We end up doubly worse off for the bad customer experience and bad underwriting decisions made from it

  • This is ultimately a question of self-service

  • It's a great thing that can be a much-preferred, simpler customer experience
  • But self-service can't mean doing other people's jobs for them

  • Five years ago, Nigel thought InsurTechs were poised to dramatically disrupt insurance as has been the case in other industries

  • More recently, he thinks there are pockets where there is room for a lot of change (especially in commoditized products)
  • But overall, he sees more room for collaboration or learning from each other and moving the whole space forward
  • Going a step further, with reinsurance capital directly connected to distribution, especially since they don't have the agent or broker relationships they need to be careful about
  • He thinks about how this all links back to societal changes around car or home ownership, etc., and that is very different in different countries

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To finish up this series of interviews for #InsuranceCareersMonth 2023, what is more appropriate than addressing the elephant in the room – AI? I sat down with Ema Roloff of EIS Group and Insurance Tik Tok fame to talk about why AI isn't coming for our jobs, but how it will change them.

This is a unique moment where we can look at AI as a threat or opportunity, and understand what we need to do to make sure it's the latter and not the former.

Ema shares insights from the talk she will be giving at the 2023 PLRB Claims Conference in Orlando, FL on March 21st where she'll share thoughts on this subject as part of The Future of Insurance thought leadership sessions at the conference.

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As part of #InsuranceCareersMonth 2023, I had the chance to sit down with Paul Edwards, Head of Claims at Central Insurance. Paul shares his start in the industry, how he learned to fall in love with Claims (and why), and how he's almost oddly passionate about it now. Hard to hear his thoughts without getting excited and re-committed to the path yourself! I know I am.

Have a listen, and share this with anyone you know that's thinking about a path in #Insurance or #Claims specifically.

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When Allstate's Andrea Bessling was 8 months pregnant, she made a career change to being a Claims Adjuster, climbing ladders, handling Property claims. That seemingly wild start lead to a fantastic career full of growth, purpose and impact that she shares as part of #InsuranceCareersMonth 2023 with me.

Check out our conversation here, and share it with people you know that are thinking about or building a career in #insurance. #caeeer #careerpath #careerjourney #femaleleaders #claims #claimsadjuster

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When thinking about a career in #Insurance (or #Claims specifically), I think hearing from the guy who literally wrote the book on it was a pretty good idea! I'm excited to bring Chris Casaleggio's career story to everyone as part of #InsuranceCareersMonth 2023.

And be sure to check out his book, "Adjusting to a Career in Property & Casualty Claims" at adjustingbook.com #career #careerstory #careerjourney #claimsadjuster

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As part of my desire to shine a light on the great careers people can build in #insurance as part of #InsuranceCareersMonth 2023, I was lucky enough to get some time with none other than John Bachmann. John was someone I turned to so often as I got deeper into Claims, and have looked to for how he's helped others build their careers while navigating his own. John shared his story from Women's Basketball (yes...watch the video, and you'll see) to Claims to being an Agent.

And, of course, he's done it while giving back through writing or co-authoring books like The Successful Adjuster's Playbook with Christopher Stanley of IA Path

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What better way to kick things off for #insurancecareersmonth 2023 than to get to sit down with Megan Eckstrom, CPCU, VP of Claims at The Philadelphia Contributionship – the oldest insurer in the US (and founded by Ben Franklin) to talk about her career journey in Claims.

Megan shares how she got into the industry, and continued to push herself to be challenged, grow and move ahead. While every step on the journey isn't always perfect, they are all invaluable to where we end up, and Megan has a great take on that. Check out our conversation here, and share it with people you know that are thinking about or building a career in #insurance.

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As part of #InsuranceCareersMonth 2023, I got to talk to Rod Patterson, VP of Property Claims for Seneca Insurance. Rod's experience in the industry has shown him how important it is to foster and grow your talent, but also why you need to "Guard Your Gates," as he says it.

He shares what this philosophy means to him, and why we all need to do it for success in our careers and life more broadly.

Great insights from Rod in this discussion, and you can get his book, "Guard Your Gates" at https://amzn.to/3kErPBf

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In this episode, I share my news about joining The Property & Liability Resource Bureau as its new President & CEO, and what that means for the "Future of Insurance" thought leadership work I do, including the podcast and books.

Prior to joining PLRB, I was Founder and Managing Partner of industry advisory firm Insurance Evolution Partners and am the author of the best-selling book series, The Future of Insurance. I have held senior roles in Insurance and InsurTech companies such as Liberty Mutual, Beazley, Hiscox and Hi Marley, and was a consultant in McKinsey & Company’s P&C practice. I have held leadership roles in functions across the insurance value chain, including Distribution & Marketing, Underwriting, Claims and Operations. I have also served as an advisor to many carriers and InsurTechs and have been a sought-after speaker at various industry events.

I hold a BA in Economics from Bowdoin College and an MBA from the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth College.

Highlights from the Show

  • The PLRB serves insurers, who are its members, in helping to navigate the compexities of providing coverage, especially at the moment of claim
  • PLRB offers extensive educational opportunities to adjusters and others in the industry through its various in-person events (Claims Coference, Large Loss Conference and regional conferences), as well as through many webinars and self-directed learning programs, offering CE and CLE to insurance professionals around the industry
  • PLRB also has a team of Property and Liability coverage attorneys who take questions from members are whether claims they face would be covered given the circumstances and policy wording involved
  • All of this and more is provided for free to employees of member companies, creating tremendous value for the insurance industry
  • While I am taking on the role of President & CEO effective January 1st 2023, I will continue my thought leadership work, including this podcast
  • There are two new Future of Insurance books in the works
    • Volume 3 will focus on stories of insurtech solution providers and insurers working together, collaboratively, to bring new solutions to market with an eye to how we can all work together more effectively to get better outcomes, faster
    • Volume 4 will share the stories of insurtech startups in the Asian market focused on new approaches to distribution, and is being written by Theresa Blissing of the Asia InsurTech Podcast with my support as Editor

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When nearly two-thirds of a broker’s day is spent on admin, it’s no wonder commissions are so high. Yet all of that cost isn’t going to adding value to clients, but brokers also struggle to find a way to charge less and have a viable brokerage.

This is what hubb is addressing as they rethink the use of technology, tools and approach to build a better customer experience and value through efficiency, AI-empowered decision making, and commissions that are 20-30% lower than the industry norm in the UK, and COO and Co-Founder Ed Halsey shares how they’re doing this so we can all take inspiration.

And he talks about their experimentation in the metaverse to add some first hand perspective to something many of us are still unsure about.

Highlights from the Show

          * Hubb is using technology to try to change how brokers can serve clients more efficiently, and therefore take a significantly lower commission
  • Ed believes the model of insurance is broken in how it’s sold; we’re basically putting tech around fundamentally broker processes, of which there are several
    • Commission is broken as you’re paid less if do better, and paid more if you do a worse job at getting better prices
    • Bordereau is another example where we take spreadsheets weeks after the information was needed where APIs could provide it instantly
  • InsurTech has had a lot of momentum as it’s allowed insurers to deploy their capacity in laser focused ways they haven’t been able to in the past
  • Customer acquisition costs in insurance are so high now that commissions don’t reflect the service the customer gets so much as how much it costs to acquire them as a customer (which they don’t value)
  • The things the customer cares about are the coverage and the total price, and the only thing a broker controls in that mix is their share of the price through how much commission they have to charge to be a sustainable business
  • That means brokers have to look at ways to do their work more efficiently to be able to work at a lower commission rate, which is what Hubb is doing
  • This takes a mix of a mindset from outside and inside insurance to crack this nut
  • Hubb typically charges 20-30% less than other brokers
  • 63% of a broker’s day goes to petty administrative work, so Hubb sees a lot of room to automate, save, and allow brokers to use that time to engage with insureds and do more business at a lower cost base because of the reduced waste
  • The industry often dictates how and where customers will interact with us or be served rather than what the customer wants, and often use compliance as an excuse when it’s actually just about constraints or limitations we face that the customer doesn’t care about
  • Hubb also uses AI to help identify the right market to send risks to so they’re more effective with their time rather than sorting through every market in the industry, shotgunning submissions out to everyone or missing good options
  • Ed and Hubb have been using the metaverse, using it, for example, to run their last board meeting
    • They see a lot of possibility in it through new interaction methods, reducing travel costs, etc
    • They also recognize it has a long way to go to be viable, and it’s very early days
    • Once you get over the initial awkwardness, you feel like you’re genuinely in the room with people, and that it’s very different from Zoom or Teams
  • Overall, he sees this about meeting customers where they are, which is why Hubb is trying it

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Oded Barak is the Co-founder and CEO of Five Sigma, a leading SaaS Claims Management solution. His previous experience includes leadership positions at Amdocs (DOX), Oteko and an investment banker at Goldman Sacks. Oded holds an MBA from Northwestern – Kellogg School of Management in Chicago. He is a father of three and lives in Israel.

Highlights from the Show

       * Aside from Office, Windows and other things we know well from Microsoft, they have a number of enabling technologies supporting insurance carriers
  • They help carriers improve customer experience, lower cost, and helping with the move from Repair & Replace to Predict & Prevent
  • Carriers are very focused on improving customer experience right now, especially from changes that had to be made during COVID; how can we lower the cost of claims; attracting and retaining the next generation of employees
  • The future needs to be easy and valuable, where having the insurance is just a given when you're getting all this other value
  • What do core system modernization, being cloud-enabled and digital mean?
  • The industry is getting better at using data, but how could we use data across industries, like manufacturing data in workers compensation and workplace safety; thinking about smart city or device technology and property insurance?
  • It's about knowing your customer at a deeper level to build a differentiated relationship, not just so you can sell them something else

This episode was made possible through the support of Five Sigma (fivesigmalabs.com).

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Ngozi Nnaji, founder and managing partner of AKO Insurance Consulting LLC, is the winner of the 2022 Alonzo Herndon Award.

Ms. Nnaji formed Hartford, Connecticut-based AKO Brokerage LLC in 2017 after a 20-year career in insurance, including at CNA Financial Corp., where she was Northeast health care zone leader, and Willis Towers Watson PLC, where she led placement services for its Hartford-based health care practice.

Later, she formed AKO Insurance Consulting to help employers in the insurance sector diversify their workforces through the recruitment and retention of minority employees.

In addition, she serves on the national board of the National African-American Insurance Association and co-founded HBCU IMPACT, an insurance education and engagement program focused on historically black colleges and universities.

Among other achievements and activities, she is an adjunct professor at Goodwin College in East Hartford.

Highlights from the Show

       * Ngozi is a first-generation American, one of three daughters of Nigerian immigrants
  • Her father picked a career for Ngozi, knowing her strength in math and where there would be stability, growth and advancement, leading her into Actuarial Science
  • This was also the first example of male allyship Ngozi experienced, and helped relate the importance of it to her
  • Ngozi has worked in most functional areas of insurance, including spending time in Underwriting and as a broker
  • She started her own agency, AKO Brokerage Services, focused on supporting minority owned businesses

    • Black females are the number one demographic that started small businesses in the pandemic, and need support to protect what they're building
    • She also started AKO Insurance Consulting to help the industry engage differently in DE&I

    • She helps with talent acquisition and development to find and grow more diverse talent than the industry has historically had

    • Today, it's even more focused on supporting and developing a more inclusive industry
    • Ngozi especially focuses on the independent agent population because of the importance of agents in their local community, so developing and supporting diverse talent in distribution can have an even great impact on the community at large
    • Ngozi started Black Friday, an event where Black agents can come together to share experiences, support and help them to grow and engage with the community
    • It's about Equity - giving someone what they need, when they need it, not equality, which isn't the answer as people all need different things, so giving them the same thing isn't necessarily helping their situation
    • Black Friday is spreading to different cities because the issues vary by geography, including Houston in November and LA in February

    • The LA event is in partnership with the Asian American Insurance Network

    • There's an opportunity to empower people to look at insurance differently within various subgroups – Black people, Latinx, Asian, etc – but also across groups as we come together
    • It's early in the journey, but there's also no end point
    • Be confident and purposeful about what you're doing today, and there will be impact
    • You can follow Ngozi on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngozi-nnaji/), Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/akobrokerage/) and Twitter (https://twitter.com/ngozionnaji), and visit akoinsuranceconsulting.com to link to their events and engagement

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Hanna grew up in the life insurance industry as both her parents were life insurance agents. She founded a financial planning agency in 2014 focused on helping affluent families and businesses build tax efficient assets and protect their legacies. She and her team placed over $2B of life insurance coverage, mostly through life insurance wealth accumulation policies. In 2019, she and her cofounder started Amplify with the mission of building the first digital and customer-centric life insurance platform focused on helping customers build wealth and protect their families.

Highlights from the Show

       * Hanna grew up as the child of two life insurance agents, and started her own financial planning agency in 2014
  • She focused on helping clients think about life insurance as part of their financial or wealth planning picture, helping with retirement planning rather than just using it as a death benefit
  • In 2019, Hanna co-founded Amplify with a recognition that the way life insurance is sold did not meet the increasingly-digital way that people were consuming things, including other financial services products
  • In the more complex permanent life insurance space she was focused on, this was even truer than in term life, where there were starting to be some inroads into direct and digital sales
  • COVID has brought more digitization, but the gap with what customers want is even stronger today as the customer expectation bar has continued to move despite the adoption of more digital tools in life insurance
  • Life insurance products that are tied to wealth management are known in the High Net Worth (NHW) and Ultra High Net Worth (UNHW), but aren't known elsewhere and yet can be beneficial
  • Amplify looked to spread the availability and understanding of these products, but in a lower-cost, more streamlined way so it is more accessible
  • Amplify sells direct to consumer and through B2B2C digital fintech platforms they embed into

    • B2C allows them a sandbox to see customer needs of consumers clearly and first hand
    • Their partners are in the financial services space, so it's tied in nicely to what Amplify does
    • Life insurance is generally thought to be something that must be sold, but Hanna points out that it had to be sold because it was always (and only) sold
    • The complexity of the product often came from a desire to reinforce the value of the agent or to create products for edge cases rather than to create something that could be bought (understandably), so Amplify has used transparency and simplicity as guiding principles
    • Amplify raised their seed round in March of 2020 lead by Anthemis, did an A round in October of 2021, and just announced a round lead by Munich Re Ventures
    • They started selling direct in 2020, added partners in 2021, and now are looking at how they can use the rich set of customer persona and demographic info to design unique products to meet the needs of their underserved customer demographic
    • Looking forward, over the next decades, digital access and transparency will increase, as it has in other areas of financial services, while there will still be room for agents, though in more bespoke and high end products and customer segments

    • This gives Hanna hope about the protection and financial wellness options that more people in broader demographics can benefit from

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Hanna grew up in the life insurance industry as both her parents were life insurance agents. She founded a financial planning agency in 2014 focused on helping affluent families and businesses build tax efficient assets and protect their legacies. She and her team placed over $2B of life insurance coverage, mostly through life insurance wealth accumulation policies. In 2019, she and her cofounder started Amplify with the mission of building the first digital and customer-centric life insurance platform focused on helping customers build wealth and protect their families.

Highlights from the Show

       * Hanna grew up as the child of two life insurance agents, and started her own financial planning agency in 2014
  • She focused on helping clients think about life insurance as part of their financial or wealth planning picture, helping with retirement planning rather than just using it as a death benefit
  • In 2019, Hanna co-founded Amplify with a recognition that the way life insurance is sold did not meet the increasingly-digital way that people were consuming things, including other financial services products
  • In the more complex permanent life insurance space she was focused on, this was even truer than in term life, where there were starting to be some inroads into direct and digital sales
  • COVID has brought more digitization, but the gap with what customers want is even stronger today as the customer expectation bar has continued to move despite the adoption of more digital tools in life insurance
  • Life insurance products that are tied to wealth management are known in the High Net Worth (NHW) and Ultra High Net Worth (UNHW), but aren't known elsewhere and yet can be beneficial
  • Amplify looked to spread the availability and understanding of these products, but in a lower-cost, more streamlined way so it is more accessible
  • Amplify sells direct to consumer and through B2B2C digital fintech platforms they embed into

    • B2C allows them a sandbox to see customer needs of consumers clearly and first hand
    • Their partners are in the financial services space, so it's tied in nicely to what Amplify does
    • Life insurance is generally thought to be something that must be sold, but Hanna points out that it had to be sold because it was always (and only) sold
    • The complexity of the product often came from a desire to reinforce the value of the agent or to create products for edge cases rather than to create something that could be bought (understandably), so Amplify has used transparency and simplicity as guiding principles
    • Amplify raised their seed round in March of 2020 lead by Anthemis, did an A round in October of 2021, and just announced a round lead by Munich Re Ventures
    • They started selling direct in 2020, added partners in 2021, and now are looking at how they can use the rich set of customer persona and demographic info to design unique products to meet the needs of their underserved customer demographic
    • Looking forward, over the next decades, digital access and transparency will increase, as it has in other areas of financial services, while there will still be room for agents, though in more bespoke and high end products and customer segments

    • This gives Hanna hope about the protection and financial wellness options that more people in broader demographics can benefit from

This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance thought leadership series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

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 As part of the US Financial Services Industry team, Jonathan works with business and technology decision makers to improve Risk and Core System processes using AI, Data Analytics and the Internet of Things. He has 25+ years’ experience in the Financial Services Industry with a strong background in Insurance, Business Transformation, ERP, Data Strategy, Solution Selling and Strategic Consulting.

Over his 16 years with Microsoft, he has been helping customers reimagine their businesses with a focus on understanding the value of technology as an enabler. Whether customers are interested in Cloud or AI and Advanced Analytics, Jonathan helps to identify and build resources to enable and enhance Industry solutions. He works closely with customers to evaluate and enhance their business strategies and solutions using Machine Learning, AI and Predictive Analytics.

 **Highlights from the Show**

       * Aside from Office, Windows and other things we know well from Microsoft, they have a number of enabling technologies supporting insurance carriers
  • They help carriers improve customer experience, lower cost, and helping with the move from Repair & Replace to Predict & Prevent
  • Carriers are very focused on improving customer experience right now, especially from changes that had to be made during COVID; how can we lower the cost of claims; attracting and retaining the next generation of employees
  • The future needs to be easy and valuable, where having the insurance is just a given when you're getting all this other value
  • What do core system modernization, being cloud-enabled and digital mean?
  • The industry is getting better at using data, but how could we use data across industries, like manufacturing data in workers compensation and workplace safety; thinking about smart city or device technology and property insurance?
  • It's about knowing your customer at a deeper level to build a differentiated relationship, not just so you can sell them something else

This episode was made possible through the support of Microsoft. Learn more about their work in the Insurance industry at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/industry/financial-services/insurance.

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 As part of the US Financial Services Industry team, Jonathan works with business and technology decision makers to improve Risk and Core System processes using AI, Data Analytics and the Internet of Things. He has 25+ years’ experience in the Financial Services Industry with a strong background in Insurance, Business Transformation, ERP, Data Strategy, Solution Selling and Strategic Consulting.

Over his 16 years with Microsoft, he has been helping customers reimagine their businesses with a focus on understanding the value of technology as an enabler. Whether customers are interested in Cloud or AI and Advanced Analytics, Jonathan helps to identify and build resources to enable and enhance Industry solutions. He works closely with customers to evaluate and enhance their business strategies and solutions using Machine Learning, AI and Predictive Analytics.

 **Highlights from the Show**

       * Aside from Office, Windows and other things we know well from Microsoft, they have a number of enabling technologies supporting insurance carriers
  • They help carriers improve customer experience, lower cost, and helping with the move from Repair & Replace to Predict & Prevent
  • Carriers are very focused on improving customer experience right now, especially from changes that had to be made during COVID; how can we lower the cost of claims; attracting and retaining the next generation of employees
  • The future needs to be easy and valuable, where having the insurance is just a given when you're getting all this other value
  • What do core system modernization, being cloud-enabled and digital mean?
  • The industry is getting better at using data, but how could we use data across industries, like manufacturing data in workers compensation and workplace safety; thinking about smart city or device technology and property insurance?
  • It's about knowing your customer at a deeper level to build a differentiated relationship, not just so you can sell them something else

This episode was made possible through the support of Microsoft. Learn more about their work in the Insurance industry at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/industry/financial-services/insurance.

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Scott Whitehead joined Markel after graduating with a bachelor of science in Marketing Management from Virginia Tech. After spending a few years in marketing & advertising, Scott transitioned into an underwriting role focused on small commercial E&S. He was later the Territory Underwriting Manager for Florida and then promoted to Director of Underwriting & Production for the Southeast region. Scott joined the Product Line Leadership team in 2012 as Managing Director of Binding Authority. He later transitioned into an enterprise risk management role for Markel Specialty and is now Managing Director of Markel Insurtech Underwriters (MIU fka Markel Digital). The MIU team focuses on providing risk capacity and underwriting expertise to start-ups and digital distribution partners who are passionately building innovative insurance solutions. They seek partners who leverage emerging technologies and modern customer acquisition strategies to create the service and experience that customers now expect and demand.

Highlights from the Show

       * Markel InsurTech Underwriters was founded 5 years to engage with and embrace the wave of talent and ideas coming into the space, as a program unit to support MGAs with paper, capacity and underwriting, and they can also provide reinsurance
  • They set it up as a separate unit because it wasn't possible to do it right as a side responsibility given that these opportunities start at $0 and would have a hard time competing for resources and priorities with larger, profitable opportunities
  • They look for solutions that are interesting, solve a genuine problem, and can scale
  • Startups, by their nature, also aren't attractive to carrier because of the risk reward tradeoff versus stable businesses that are already delivering Combined Ratio value
  • Similarly, the industry almost prefers fast followers over first movers, including regulators who prefer commonality and conformity

    • If you file something that takes a contrarian view of something they've already approved, and you don't have historical data to back it up (since it's brand new), it creates an issue for a regulator to have two approved approaches that are at odds with each other and still claim to be acting in the public's best interest, making it hard to go about things materially differently
    • Looking forward, Scott talks about looking for things that make it better, faster, cheaper; taking friction out of the process; or reducing losses

    • If you're not doing any of those things, then he doesn't see that winning for the insured or the business

    • This is why they backed Thimble, who is selling policies better fit for seasonal or non-annual business; and Counterpart, who uses data and engagement with the insured to underwrite better and make the insured a better risk
    • There's a big flight to quality right now given the investment environment right now, and whether the fundamentals are viable or not, rather than just whether you can sell a lot and go public before your results catch up with you
    • Two ideas Scott sees growing

    • Continuous Underwriting - as you learn about a risk, engage with it differently over the course of the year rather than just at renewal, and use those insights to inform your rating continuously; Counterpart does this, as do most of the Cyber startup insurers

    • Embedded Insurance - definitely a smart way to distribute insurance, but often people miss that you need to have a licensed agent to advise on and sell the business, so some startups may overlook the need to solve for that component, as well

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Now. With more than 25 years in the financial services industry, Jasmine Jirele is the president and CEO of Allianz Life Insurance Company of North America (Allianz Life). She has broad experience in financial services strategy, marketing, product, and operations.

Then. Prior to becoming CEO in 2021, Jirele led the Growth and Marketing team where she was responsible for strategy, new markets, global business development, product innovation, marketing, digital and experience management, Allianz Ventures, strategic communications and sponsorships, and enterprise Agile. She also has previous experience as executive vice president at Wells Fargo.

And ... Jirele holds a B.A. in business and journalism from the University of St. Thomas (Minnesota) and an MBA from Hamline University (Minnesota). She is a Director of Allianz Australia Life Insurance Holdings and Allianz Australia Life Insurance Limited. She sits on the board at ACLI and is a member of the Steering Committee on Taxation and the Committee on Prudential Issues. Jirele is on the board of YMCA of the North and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Minnesota, for which she is a member of the Corporate Investment & Development Committee and Technology & Operations Committee. She also sits on the board of the Minnesota Business Partnership and serves as an advisor for the Washburn Center for Children’s Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion Committee. She is also a member of the Strategic Board of Advisors at University of St. Thomas’ Opus College of Business, and the LIMRA LOMA Global Board, for which she is a member of the Audit Committee and Membership Committee. She holds FINRA Series 7 and Series 24 securities registrations.

Highlights from the Show

       * Jasmine is the President & CEO of Allianz Life, the North American business of Allianz, focused on the future of retirement in this market
  • Jasmine's background gave her experiences across functions within the business, which has been invaluable leading the organization overall
  • Being distributed through Financial Professionals primarily, that meant Allianz Life faced a major impact on how their business is sold during the pandemic
  • As you move more digital, how do you keep that proximity and relationship with customers but also take advantage of digital and remote to enable and deliver the content and exchange of information that was necessary during the pandemic
  • The big change from the pandemic is that people saw first hand the importance of life insurance and the protection it provides
  • The digitization of how relationships between financial professionals and their clients work together has allowed for the person-to-person interactions to be more purposeful and focused because people can take care of a lot of the logistics and paperwork digitally, remotely and asynchronously
  • The increase in digital interactions has actually resulted in more women seeking and getting access to financial advice, which is good as women have been underserved in this space
  • For Allianz's people, there's been a need to get savvy on digital tools quickly, and to be able to train financial professionals on them and work in a more hybrid manner with those advisors
  • Looking forward, Jasmine sees a few ways the Life and Annuities world will change, with a theme of being more holistic or complete

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Githesh Ramamurthy is Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of CCC Intelligent Solutions, responsible for leading the company’s strategic growth while empowering CCC’s data scientists, engineers, and business leaders to innovate solutions that help keep people’s lives moving forward when it matters most.

Under Githesh’s leadership, the company has expanded its cloud-based SaaS platform of digital and data service solutions to become the trusted leader in AI, IoT, telematics, customer experience, and digital workflows connecting the auto insurance, automotive, and collision repair industries.

Githesh joined CCC in 1992 and has held several key management positions, including Executive Vice President of Product Engineering and Chief Technology Officer. He was named President and COO in 1997 and elected Chairman of the Board in 2000.

Before joining CCC, Githesh was a founding member of Sales Technologies, Inc., which became a world leader in field-sales automation software, later acquired by Dun & Bradstreet. He is also credited with designing one of the world’s first microprocessor-based cardiac monitors and holds a U.S. patent for claims-processing software design.

Githesh earned a bachelor’s degree in electrical engineering from the Indian Institute of Technology, a master’s degree in computer science from Georgia Tech. He is also an alumnus of Harvard Business School’s Executive Management Program.

Highlights from the Show

       * CCC connects and services 30,000 companies in the P&C insurance economy, including 18 of the top 20 carriers, 27,000 repair facilities, parts suppliers, most of the car manufacturers, and more
  • They look at their role as digitizing and helping to digitize the P&C insurance ecosystem through the $100B+ in Auto claims alone they help their customers handle
  • They are involved in more than just claims, including working on telematics solutions in addition to things like First Notice of Loss, claims adjusting and more
  • They have been especially involved in the digital transformation of adjusting, with mobile tools for insureds to use to help move their claim forward
  • CCC recently went public again, after being public for 10 years, and then private for 15, with the reason being to allow them to engage in the acceleration of innovation in the industry
  • Acceleration in innovation over the next 5 years in insurance, collision repair, OEM car makers and more; with being public giving them the flexibility to move faster
  • When it comes to digital transformation, there's a huge amount of data flows at the heart of insurance, and we are just in the early innings of the transformation that's possible
    • At the start of COVID, 10% of claims were started with digital imaging
    • This increased to 20% in 2021, and is now at 30%
    • Add in things like using AI to write estimates, identify total losses and route the vehicle to salvage and more, these are all early examples of what is possible rather than being the end state for digital transformation
    • In terms of the speed of acceleration, they launch AI years ago, but launched the next generation of their Estimate STP in November of 2021, and now have 11 customers three quarters later, representing over half of the industry volume
  • The industry is facing several challenges
    • Inflation in parts and labor
    • A knowledge gap as labor is tight and the complexity of matters is growing faster than training and development can keep up
    • Rising expectations of customers
  • An area CCC is focusing on is the connection between casualty and the claims that result from an auto accident, which means using the tools and insights from auto physical damage claims to inform decisions and insights in the resultant casualty claim
    • CCC uses Delta-V, the speed differential between vehicles, and the angles and physics that can be derived from the photos of the damage, to understand the forces at play on the human body and what kind of injuries this could cause
  • This is about moving from gut feel to science, but to make the science actionable so you can benefit people – consumers, carriers, providers, etc
  • Looking across carriers, collision repair centers, OEMs and more, Githesh is seeing a mindset shift toward wanting to move first, move fast, test, learn and expand increasingly today
  • CCC sees a move toward STP, meaning people are handling exceptions rather than the routine, but that means working outside the walls of the carrier and integrate across the entire network of providers

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Mark Seich has many years of experience with major national and super regional P&C carriers in the industry. Starting in early field management roles, then operational roles leading to leadership responsibilities. Prior to joining Berkley Fire & Marine in January 2020 as Vice President of Marketing, Sales & Distribution, he served as regional vice president overseeing distribution responsibility for a 5 state, over $250 million book of personal and commercial lines business. In his current role as Chief Customer Experience Officer, Mark leads the digital transformation of our products, systems, distribution, and overall experience of our agent and broker partners and policy holders. He also leads all marketing and sales driving initiatives through the field teams and our online distribution channel.

Mark received his Bachelor’s Degree from Indiana University of Pennsylvania, an M.B.A. focused on executive management from Ashland University, and holds the CIC designation.

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       * Berkley Fire & Marine is the specialty niche market for Inland Marine within W.R. Berkley, including Builders Risk, Truch-based Cargo - basically anything that's property, moving around, in a short-term fashion
  • Mark joined to focus on their digital distribution efforts, but the company realized that the customer experience was a critical success factor in digital, so his role broadened
  • Specialty Commercial hasn't had much of a CX focus so far, especially as compared to Commercial Lines more broadly or especially in Personal Lines
  • That means Specialty can take lessons learned from Personal lines to see where to focus efforts to catch up
  • Unlike Personal or much Small Commercial, Specialty Lines like what Berkley Fire & Marine write is even more distant from the customer or the end user
  • Claims is an area where experience really matters and can ensure an account doesn't get marketed because of the expertise a specialist within Claims brings
  • Not only are the product specialized, the customers for each product are highly specific, making it hard to find scalability in approaches or solutions, and it complicates the persona work for someone focused on customer experience like Mark and his team
  • That means working for find what can be consistent, while also looking for flexibility in any solution to speak to the highly specific needs of each product and segment
  • Looking ahead, there's a need for Specialty to get a push on having more of a CX focus
  • More broadly, what customer buying patterns are, expectations are permeating from personal experiences to commercial and complex experiences, and for most insurers in any line of business, the post-bind experience generally falls off a digital, seamlessness cliff
  • The flexibility in Inland Marine to manuscript and adjust the form for each risk also creates complexities for automation and scalability to make things easier and smoother for customers, brokers and internal resources because each policy may be different and highly-manual

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Ty Sagalow is recognized as one of his generation's most influential insurance professionals, developing an unprecedented number of new products for the world’s largest insurance companies.

Ty is currently the Chief Insurance Officer and co-founder of Assurely, an insurtech providing rapidly growing companies with the insurance protection they need to continue innovating and scaling.

Before co-founding Assurely, Ty was a founding member of Lemonade and served as its founding Chief Insurance Officer. Ty spent 25 years at AIG and was the Chief Innovation Officer for Zurich following that experience. He is considered the creator of Entity Coverage Directors & Officers Insurance, Cyber Insurance, Reputation Insurance, Y2K Insurance, Collectible Authenticity Insurance, and Intellectual Property Collateral Insurance.

With his unique background combining management and professional liability legal, underwriting, and policy drafting, Ty is one of the industry’s most sought-after experts in D&O/E&O coverage disputes. He is the author of three books, including The Making of Lemonade.

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         * Ty had a long career in the industry, including time at AIG, Zurich and Towers Watson
  • He joined Daniel Schreiber and Shai Wininger as the third employee, and first Insurance employee to join Lemonade
  • He has now co-founded Assurely, which is the next chapter in the long road of closing the gap between insurance and societal tech advances
  • Tech has always been about how insurers can make more money or reduce expense ratios rather than helping customers
  • Lemonade was the first step in this movement, by using technology to make a better customer experience
  • Assurely is the next step by embedding insurance to make the experience even more seamless

  • InsurTech has two parts of it, Insurance and Tech, and you must have both

  • David Carpentier and Ty both know Insurance well, and also understand Tech
  • As they've grown the team, they've grown both types of talent
  • They've also ensured that their insurance business is profitable for them, and for their partners, with their MGA business never losing their capacity providers money

  • The way Assurely is trying to improve the customer experience is by being invisible, like E-Zpass

  • Rather than making a bad process better or smoother, perhaps the best answer is to remove the process entirely
  • Rather than finding easier ways to take cash from drivers at a toll booth, E-Zpass now just lets you drive through, at speed, without stopping

  • Ty doesn't see distribution going away, but it does need to change, just like with travel agents

  • Travel agents didn't go away, just those who didn’t shift with what it means to be a travel agent, like the move to online travel services rather than those that require you to go to an office and get a ticket printed in person

  • Everything Assurely does is tech-related, in the offering and the focus, with an insurance product embedded into a platform like a share management solution or rental or lease platform or website

  • They write D&O for tech startups
  • They have rental deposit replacement in commercial and residential leases
  • Sneaker collection coverage through Unboxed

  • Ty wrote a book about the early days of Lemonade, called The Making of Lemonade, to give insights on building a startup like Lemonade

  • Many things are changing in the industry, including the move to embedded (also called Insurance as a Service), which Ty thinks is just how insurance should be
  • Ty leaves us with a beautiful and inspirational thought on opportunity – "As long as you believe in the human spirit, human creativity and innovation, there will always be something new"

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   Tanner founded Counterpart to help small businesses navigate the ever-changing insurance landscape with innovative tools, proactive services, and leading coverage. He has deep expertise in scaling large, data-centric businesses after co-founding two successful ventures including the Malaysian arm of Lazada, which quickly became the largest e-commerce company in Southeast Asia and was purchased by Alibaba for $3.5bn in 2018. He subsequently co-founded Button, which has become the world’s largest mobile-first affiliate platform, partnering with global brands like Amazon, Walmart, Booking.com, and Uber. In addition to his entrepreneurial endeavors, Tanner is active in mental health research, having started Openminded.org as a means of accelerating research, collaboration, education, and awareness for this critical societal issue. Tanner is a member of the Edmund Hillary Fellowship, a New Zealand Government sponsored community of global problem solvers focused on making a lasting positive impact on the world.

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         * Counterpart initially started as HR tech, meant to create better corporate culture to drive down risk and drive up employee experience and engagement, but it was hard to get potential customers to act on this today
  • They pivoted to insurance looking at ways they could reduce the risk of claims rather than just paying for them after they happen
  • In learning about the space, they saw that the product itself needed to be rethought to be able to drive different behavior and improve underwriting, so they built an insurance product in addition to the risk mitigation tools they were developing
  • Tanner comes from outside of insurance, which allows him to lead by asking questions, but also means he's made a point of building a strong insurance team around him because it is a complex and expertise-driven space

    • This is part of why Markel and Aspen, their capacity providers, have signed on to back Counterpart's product
    • Counterpart pairs outside data to better understand risk in more nuanced ways than the industry has been able to through applications, and iterates its rating model based on what they're actually seeing every 30 minutes

    • This has allowed them to have best-in-class loss ratios despite focusing on the higher-frequency small end of the market

    • Beyond underwriting differently, Counterpart's strategy focuses on interacting with the insured to make them a better risk

    • There's self-selection in this approach, too, as insureds who choose an insurer like that are likely to be better risks

    • Small businesses need the help, especially now, given that they've gone through COVID and all that means for employees, then facing supply chain and labor constraints
    • Similar to the way data can help in underwriting, the same should be done in claims given the trends and data out there on claims and how you can use it to make better decisions and intervene differently
    • Building Counterpart taught Tanner that the best product doesn't necessarily win in insurance because relationships matter, and no one has time in small business to scrutinize the product differences
    • That means respecting and supporting how things have been done, and recognizing you need to give brokers what they need to make their work easier because they're stretched too thin today, so insurers need to make things easier on brokers, too
    • This approach of better underwriting and making small businesses better risks should drive the cost of coverage down for everyone, increase the total addressable market, which is better for everyone

    • Better value for insureds

    • More insureds can afford coverage and see the benefit in buying it
    • Easier for brokers to sell the product
    • Better loss results for insurers

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Richard (Rick) W. Spinrad, Ph.D., was sworn in on June 22, 2021 as the Under Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere and the 11th NOAA Administrator. Dr. Spinrad is responsible for the strategic direction and oversight of the agency and its over 12,000 employees, including developing NOAA’s portfolio of products and services to address the climate crisis, enhancing environmental sustainability and fostering economic development, and creating a more just, equitable, diverse, and inclusive NOAA workforce.

Most recently, Dr. Spinrad served as a Professor of Oceanography and Senior Adviser to the Vice President of Research at Oregon State University (OSU). He was also Vice President for Research at OSU from 2010-2014.

Dr. Spinrad served as NOAA’s Chief Scientist under President Barack Obama from 2014 until 2016. He also led NOAA’s Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research and National Ocean Service from 2003-2010. While at NOAA, Dr. Spinrad co-led the White House Committee that developed the nation’s first set of ocean research priorities and oversaw the revamping of NOAA’s research enterprise, including the development of the agency’s Scientific Integrity policy.

Prior to initially joining NOAA, Dr. Spinrad held leadership positions at the U.S. Office of Naval Research and Oceanographer of the Navy, where he was awarded the Distinguished Civilian Service Award — the highest award given by the U.S. Navy to a civilian. He has held faculty appointments at OSU, the U.S. Naval Academy, and George Mason University; served as Executive Director at the Consortium for Oceanographic Research and Education; was President of Sea Tech, Inc.; and worked as a research scientist at OSU and the Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences. He also developed the National Ocean Sciences Bowl for high school students. In the international arena, Dr. Spinrad served as the U.S. permanent representative to the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission from 2005-2009.

He is the recipient of Presidential Rank Awards from presidents George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama. Dr. Spinrad is past president of The Oceanography Society (TOS) and the Marine Technology Society. He is a Fellow of the American Meteorological Society, Marine Technology Society, TOS, and the Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology (IMarEST), and an IMarEST Chartered Marine Scientist.

Dr. Spinrad received his B.A. in Earth and Planetary Sciences from The Johns Hopkins University, and his M.S. and Ph.D. in Oceanography from Oregon State University.

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         * NOAA has been around in various forms since 1802, when President Thomas Jefferson setup a survey of the coast to understand the risks to shipping, coastal communities and more, and it was President Nixon who established NOAA by brining together the various environmental intelligence organizations
  • In the late 20th and early 21st century, NOAA added advanced capabilities and tools like satellites
  • Today, NOAA is an almost $7B agency with over 12,000 people (which only costs about $0.06 a day per taxpayer)
  • Lives, Livelihoods and Lifestyles are all impacted by weather and ability to forecast what will happen with it to know what its impact will be and how we can respond
  • In inflation adjusted numbers, in the 1980s, there were 82 days between $1B disasters or worse; today, it's 18 days

    • There were 21 billion-plus-dollar disasters, and we're at 9 now (early August)
    • Hurricane Ida last year brought $30-40B in losses, and this isn't an anomaly anymore
    • They rolled out the heat.gov website that could help insurers and reinsurers in looking at the forecasted impacts of heat on health and other factors around the country
    • The hazards aren't new – floods, draughts, hurricanes, etc – but we're putting so much more energy into the system, which is resulting in unprecedented scale of these hazards

    • In the last 30-40 years, we've been adding the equivalent of 2 Hiroshima atomic bombs worth of energy into the oceans every second

    • They're now understanding the teleconnections, meaning the impact of weather activity in one part of the world's impact on the activity in another, like weather events in Australia and how that ties to weather events in New England
    • One of the ways insurance companies can engage with NOAA on this is to think about what kind of forecasting and predictions are most helpful, like the timeframe we'd need to see data for
    • There's a lot of value in talking about the future of insurance and prediction, and Insurance is a sophisticated participant in that conversation

    • Government has responsibilities to say where people can't build (for example)

    • From there, it's up to the market to decide the cost of risk where we can build, which means insurers understanding and pricing that risk
    • The impact of Climate Change is a foregone conclusion at this point, and the science has gotten so good that it can tell you exactly what impact you'll see by when (like 10-12 inches of sea level rise in Norfolk, VA by 2050)

    • Rather than giving up, we need to think about what we can do to adapt and protect given that fact, while we have time to mitigate

    • Dr. Spinrad did this himself with a prior home he had in Oregan that didn't have a fire exposure initially, but did over time, so he cut back brush and trees to reduce the risk
    • Part of NOAA's responsibility is around communication, and being the authority to turn to so people know who to trust for clear, actionable information, like going to the top doctor for a second opinion
    • Get involved and collaborate with NOAA at climate.gov

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Community is a critical success factor for the future of the insurance industry. Austin, Texas has seen a growing InsurTech community emerging from within its broader Tech and Insurance communities, and InsurTech ATX is at the center of that push. Andrew Correll and David Perez from InsurTech ATX join the show to talk about what’s going on in Austin, and how community can fuel progress.

      **Highlights from the Show**
  • Dave Perez, co-founder, is a former military guy who was looking for the right path after getting out, and landed on the commercial insurance agency world, broadened out to other spaces, and started his own company, Lumen Insurance, an agency built to help startup and tech companies with their insurance needs
  • Andrew Correll, co-founder, was an underwriter in professional lines, with a passion for technology, and is today working at Security Scorecard, a Cyber tech solution for the industry
  • InsurTech ATX started as a meetup group of people in insurance and tech to make some local connections in Austin, and grew from there
  • Given their location, they're a little more startup leaning than other communities may be, but try to match that to traditional insurance experience and resources to foster and build the industry in Austin for generations to come
  • There is a good mix of focus areas, with personal lines companies like The Zebra and Hippo, commercial and benefits focused players, and distribution focus, as well
  • There's also a lot of tech in general, with players like Meta, Apple, Tesla, Google and others, so InsurTech sometimes ends up flying under the radar
  • There also a strong move of VCs into the area
  • Texas has a favorable regulatory environment, too, making the area attractive to InsurTechs, too
  • The other InsurTech hubs, like InsurTech NY, InsurTech Hartford, InsurTech Ohio, InsurTech LA and others, have been supportive and collaborative
  • Looking ahead, they want to see ATX as a launchpad location for new companies and help them connect and grow in Austin to help make the scene even more attractive

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A proven leader in the insurance industry specializing in benefits technology, Jennifer Daniel has an established track record of developing and fostering teams that drive innovation and deliver positive impact to sales results. As National Practice Leader, Benefits Technology and Partnerships at Aflac, Jennifer is responsible for the distribution of Aflac products through third-party platforms. In her current role, she leads a team of technology forward individuals who are responsible for identifying and leveraging technology solutions that support the company’s customers, brokers and sales team, as well as introducing innovative technology solutions that help solve internal challenges.

Guided by the belief that the insurance industry must embrace opportunities created by digital transformation, Jennifer is a strong advocate for using technology to provide a better experience to all stakeholders. Over the course of her career, she has developed a diverse skillset that includes strategic planning, product development, benefit administration, voluntary product support, marketing, relationship management, and customer service training and execution.

Jennifer is a frequent and sought-after speaker at industry events on topics related to technology, enrollment trends, benefits and benefit administration. She is passionate about mentoring young professionals and serving as an advocate for other women. In her free time, Jennifer enjoys spending time with her family, traveling and riding her Peloton bike.

      **Highlights from the Show**

* Jen started as an Advertising major in college and found a role in Insurance, and never left
  • Jen spent her career focused on Employee Benefits, and has a passion to help employees understand the benefits they have so they can take advantage of what they have access to
  • Jen’s work focuses on the platform partners that Aflac distributes their Group offerings through, which is all about being easy to do business with for the platforms
  • Carriers and platforms have had to change to focus on employee experience and decision support for people who don’t understand the benefits and insurance they have access to
  • Health Insurance and Voluntary Benefits are sold together, but they’re different in practice since the employee gets paid with Voluntary Benefits whereas doctors get paid by Health Insurance, so providers like Aflac need to think about engaging with the insured more than health insurers might
  • Aflac has both direct, individual products as well as their Group offering of Voluntary Benefits, where the products are similar, but the distribution and the buyer are different
  • With Group, employers are going to their technology or platform provider, sometimes before they go to their broker, to see who works well on the platform, gives employers the data, etc, making the platforms an important client of Aflac as much brokers, employers and employees are
  • With 150 platform partners, Aflac has had to look at how to give options people want while also being sustainable and scalable, which they’ve found through simplification of the offering rather than unlimited options and flexibility
  • Giving people too many options for something they don’t understand well in the first place ends up creating more problems than it solves by offering something for each individual preference
  • This is where the new decision support tools come in to ask simple questions and let people choose
  • These tools are either being provided by the platforms or solution providers just doing decision support, and Aflac needs to work with both by making their products easy to build into the tools
  • Claims is another focus area for innovation, and trying to get to a place where payment can just happen automatically, which would take permission to access health data from employees
  • APIs are just starting to come on the scene in the space, with a few areas of focus to replace EDI file transfer
  • Looking forward, Jen sees a need to change in
  • As more people are solopreneurs or gig workers, Aflac looks at how they can serve that space (they have individual products that serve them today, but also need to think about how people’s situations are evolving and what that means for Aflac and their space)

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Jim Fowler is Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Officer of Nationwide. In this role, he is responsible for the company’s technology strategy, IT capabilities and business transformation programs.

Prior to joining Nationwide in 2018, Jim was Chief Information Officer for General Electric, where he led the company’s global information technology strategy, services, operations and internal digital transformation program. Prior to his 18-year career at GE, he held IT roles with NCR and Accenture.

Jim holds a bachelor of science degree in management information systems and marketing from Miami University and a master of business administration degree from Xavier University. He is also a certified Six Sigma Black Belt.

Jim serves as a national board member for YearUp, on the business school advisory board at Miami University, on the Columbus State Community College board of trustees and on the Columbus Collaboratory board of managers. He is well recognized for his results-oriented leadership style and his ability to drive innovation—and was recently recognized by Forbes with the CIO Innovation Award.

      **Highlights from the Show**
  • Jim came to Nationwide after 18 years at GE, where he was most recently CIO, and was not interested in a role in insurance when he was approached about Nationwide
  • He was swayed when he learned how forward-thinking the company was
  • When interviewing, Jim learned about how the company has always been innovative, including using projected slide shows in client presentations in the 1900s before mixed media and AV was even considered for things like that
  • Jim identified three reasons why Nationwide has been highly innovative despite its size and complexity

    • Leadership that is willing to disrupt what they've done to protect their relevance in the future, regardless of how long they've done it for or how successful they may have been before
    • Mutuality helps them make decisions that protect their members into the future
    • Technology is about becoming the preferred partner for customers and intermediaries, giving people the space to focus on people
    • They've been able to move faster on innovative ideas because of how they structure innovation

    • The team has dual-reporting to Jim and their Chief Strategy Officer

    • They incubate ideas within the innovation team to try the idea free of the constraints of the bigger business and make a go-no-go decision after giving something a real try
    • If it passes the initial test, then they can move it to the business at large
    • That is, innovation is thought of as incubation
    • Jim sees a future where insurance will be more personalized for each customer, given data they give you permission to use to serve them
    • Regulators want us to figure this out, we just need to show them how this benefits consumers
    • He also sees a shift to coverage being fluid across people's lives , with more telematics-driven options in various coverages rather than seeing Auto separate from Life from Home, etc

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Matteo Carbone is the Founder and Director of the IoT Insurance Observatory, Co-founder of Archimede Spac, Global InsurTech Thought Leader, and an investor.

He is internationally recognized as an insurance industry strategist with a specialization on innovation. Matteo is author and world-renowned authority on InsurTech - ranked among top international InsurTech Influencers - and he has spoken to audiences in twenty different countries. He published the first bestseller dedicated to InsurTech: “All the insurance players will be insurtech” and is member of the Forbes New York Business Council.

Matteo has advised more than 100 different players in ten insurance markets around the world and has wide insurance experience which includes set up of industrial and commercial plans, growth strategy definition and support in the start-up of new initiatives, digital strategy development, insurance products innovation, channel strategy and commercial model definition, startups mentorship and advice M&A deals. He has worked directly with players accounting for more than 80% of the international IoT insurance volumes (number of policies on auto telematics, smart home, and connected health).

Before creating the IoT Insurance Observatory and co-founding Archimede, he spent eleven years in Bain & Company’s Financial Service practice. Matteo received his degree in Business Administration from Bocconi University, Milan.

      **Highlights from the Show**

+ Matteo's entire career has centered around Insurance innovation, and he's specifically focused on IoT and Telematics since 2012
  • From the early days, when people were skeptical, Matteo saw the promise in the data behind IoT, but was skeptical of the buzzword activity around it and some of the ideas generated by that buzz
  • One of those buzzworthy ideas is UBI or pay-per-mile, which has not taken off for carriers offering it over more traditional telematics offerings that just give you a fixed discount for driving behavior observed during a set period (like three months, or your prior year with the carrier)
  • One reason is that people don't like the uncertainty of their final cost that comes with UBI
  • It's not unlike the old days of cellphone plans where we paid per minute, whereas now, people generally prefer unlimited plans
  • COVID changes things a bit as people drove less and heard more about how they could save money through UBI programs, making them more attractive, and therefore grow significantly
  • However, large incumbents with both basic telematics and UBI offerings saw that the traditional telematics offerings is 2-4x larger than UBI still
  • He still advises carriers to have a UBI offering on their shelf, but it will be the second telematics offer rather than the primary for some time, if not indefinitely

  • Some wonder if IoT will make pricing so transparent that people no longer see the need to buy insurance, but Matteo points to the concept of risk pooling as a reason against this because losses will still happen regardless of your certainty around them, and individuals cannot generally afford the cost of losses, while a pool of risks can

  • Instead, the level of mutuality is reduced as you move down to smaller pools of similar risks that are more homogenous than you can get to without IoT and the data is provides

  • Matteo has been more open in his doubts about some of the InsurTech carriers' ability to survive, which he addressed, saying that he does think some will survive, but some are more storytelling than delivering a sustainable business

  • But he still appreciates even these more questionable startups because they are pushing incumbents on a number of fronts, and that's a good thing for the industry as a whole; he just advocates for a more pragmatic lens on what they're doing that's free of the marketing hype
  • Matteo believes in innovation, and that we should be pragmatic in looking at ways data from IoT can improve customer experiences, products, tools and opportunities to upsell, cross-sell and insure new kinds of risks

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Steven has over 25 years’ experience as an actuary in financial services which has included leading Close Brothers Wealth Management during the launch of their non-advised offering; creating the world’s first art-focused wealth advice offering for Christie’s; working as part of the team that formed Barclays Wealth and heading the McKinsey UK Savings and Investment Group.

Steven founded Bought By Many, which is disrupting the world of pet insurance through the innovative use of tech, and is building a business to become an irresistible employer that is obsessive about customer service. (www.boughtbymany.com).

In April 2019 Steven was included in the London Business School Review of 30 People Who Are Changing The World.

      **Highlights from the Show**
  • Steven is an Actuary, who has worked in several different larger, corporate businesses to build startups within them before leaving to start his own business
  • Steven did a lot of work for insurers, but intentionally never went to work for one after leaving consulting because of what he saw as an unfair way consumers were treated by large corporate insurers
  • He talked to a close friend and colleague about leaving their corporate jobs to do something different and better in 2011/2012
  • The idea they came up with was to build communities inside of insurance to help individuals with niche insurance needs get access to better coverage than they'd be able to get on their own
  • Better, to them, meant better around price, product and customer experience
  • What they were building, which they called Bought by Many, was a digital broker before that was really a thing, with a hope of getting better access to product for their customers, but they still struggled to get them a better customer experience, so the solution was still not really solving the problem they focused on
  • They discovered that the underlying brand of the insurer didn't matter as customers kept thinking Bought by Many was their insurer, and would complain to them when the insurer was doing a poor job on claims, which suggested to them that they could get into insurance despite a lack of an insurance brand
  • They surveyed their various community members across all the spaces they had coalesced around, like pet ownership, cycling, travel and more, to see what products seemed to have the most interest, and what needs their members had around those products to know what needed to be developed to have something successful
  • BBM's biggest and most engaged community was pet owners, and their needs lead to seven new pet insurance products that had not existed on the market yet
  • They also needed to define a totally new customer experience, taking six months to define a totally different customer journey, launching in 2017
  • They added travel in 2018, and then small business coverage
  • They struggled to manage the growth across these three product spaces, and refocused on pet insurance, and set a vision of being the leading pet insurer in the world, leading them to expand to Sweden (where pet insurance had originated), and then to the US
  • They are a tech-focused business, using the scale they've built to leverage their tech investment to deliver a more efficient, smooth customer experience, using the data their tech generates to keep doing better
  • When the pandemic hit, they saw many things change, firstly that they easily went remote while most of their competitors couldn't
  • They also realized many people would be struggling financially, and may not be able to pay for the existing products, so ManyPets created a more stripped down coverage that met the basic needs people would have to avoid catastrophic pet health bills
  • They also launched in the US in the midst of the pandemic in March 2021, and 6 months later, had a half million pets insured

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As CEO of SIAA, Matt Masiello has responsibility for executive management of the largest alliance of independent insurance agencies in the United States and its related companies, providing leadership to senior executives of SIAA and Master Agencies across the country.

       His more than 28 years of experience at SIAA and SAN Group have instilled in him the skills, knowledge, and expertise to lead SIAA and SAN Group (SIAA's original and largest Master Agency operating across the Northeast). Matt has responsibility for the overall success of both companies, as well as providing strategic vision and leadership for their futures.

SIAA has 48 master agencies covering all 50 states with 13% of all U.S. independent insurance agencies as members, which write over $10 billion in premium, making SIAA the largest national independent insurance agency partnering network.

Matt is also the author of the book, Insurance Agency 4.0, available now.

Highlights from the Show

  • Matt has been in the independent agent channel for nearly 30 years, for his entire career
  • SIAA started in 1995, and is a national alliance of independent agencies with 48 master agencies, and has three focus areas:
  • Market access, which has become table stakes today
  • Generating top line revenue for agencies beyond commission to help them thrive
  • Agency development services to help agencies when starting up, through to the most mature agencies

  • They also help carriers interact with and manage relationships with independent agents by providing scale and coordination to the carriers, as well

  • So much of the economy is concentrated in small businesses, and that's true of agencies, too, where 70% of agencies are under $1.2m in revenue
  • With all the talk over the years of threats to the independent agent channel, Matt is extremely excited about the prospects for the channel today
  • Some of acquisition and consolidation at the upper end of the channel has helped to spark innovation and entrepreneurialism on the smaller end, including the starting up of new agencies
  • He's lived through other threats that were supposed to end the channel, like banks moving into insurance in the 1990s or the internet in the early 2000s
  • Today, there's a lot of talk about Embedded insurance, which is being talked about as putting agents out of business
  • Matt sees Embedded taking some sales
  • But he also sees a lot of situations where Embedded isn't designed to respond, like people with more complex needs, multiple policies across lots of products (Home, multiple Autos, Umbrella, Life, etc)

  • Part of the way agents will survive is through being purposeful in the kind of customers they target, and ensuring they have the tools to serve those customers and offer them value

  • That goes for the value agents offer to carriers, as well, including market access but also providing the advice, guidance and other valuable services that carriers need agents to do

  • Some advise agents to pull back from spaces where direct or digital are too threatening, like personal auto, but Matt sees that being the wrong answer

  • We talked about how US car makers pulled back from selling sedans, but consumers still buy them from other manufacturers – the US car companies just weren't making sedans people wanted to buy
  • People are still buying personal insurance and need protection, so just be sure your offering meets their needs
  • The key is not to go after the price-sensitive, monoline shopper, but look for the one who needs multiline protection and values advice, guidance and support

  • You have to know your segment, but then recognize that its changing and has evolving needs, so you must interact with it differently

  • The days of just quoting someone's auto policy are gone as 70-80% of people are starting their insurance journey online, so an agent needs to be digital to interact with those people, and then take them on the rest of the journey for the broader insurance needs they have rather than just thinking about the single policy

  • SIAA acquired Ryan Hanley's Rogue Risk, bringing Ryan into the fold

  • This is about having an incubation path for people who want more freedom but aren't yet ready to own their own agency yet
  • It also gives SIAA a test bed or sandbox to try the new digital tools and processes or ways of working that could help the channel thrive

  • Some of the startup insurtech carriers/MGAs may or may not be solving an insurance problem, but they've created something within their transaction or experience capabilities that traditional carriers haven't solved for, which is valuable for the industry

  • The core challenge of the industry is that we're doing things based on the constraints of our processes, but the consumer doesn't care
  • This isn't just about the end consumer, but agents, too – carriers need to think about the cost of doing business with that carrier as agents will avoid carriers who make their lives harder or more onerous
  • Matt sees this as the greatest time to be an agent as he's ever seen
  • It may look different from how it's looked in the past, but that's true of any period in time, and that's ok – as long as you're willing to embrace what's changing
  • Now is the time to come out swinging, implementing digital capabilities and be on the offense in demonstrating the value your provide your customers and your community

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         John, who was named a 2020 Mid-Atlantic Entrepreneur of the Year, has been responsible for overseeing all aspects of Pie since its establishment in May 2017. He brings over 20 years of experience in tech-enabled insurance and financial services businesses. Prior to Pie, John served on the Esurance executive team for 13 years, where he initially led all of the financial functions from 2000-03 and then became the company's first Chief Marketing Officer. Under John's leadership of the marketing team, Esurance premium volume grew from $50 million in 2003 to $1.3 billion in 2013. Esurance was sold to Allstate in 2011 for $1 billion. John holds a B.A. in Economics from Haverford College.

   **Highlights from the Show**

   * John started in insurance through his family's business while he was in college, making his way to Esurance in 2000, ultimately leading the Finance team and then as Chief Marketing Officer until 2013
  • After swearing he'd stay out of Personal Auto because of the competition dynamics, he met his co-founder, Dax Craig, in 2016, who together created a different vision for small business commercial insurance buyers
  • They wanted to make their offering as easy as pie, hence their name, Pie Insurance
  • Small Commercial is a target market for so many, yet few have really been serving it well, despite how well it performs
  • They found Small Commercial to be an underwriter-driven space even though most businesses in the space don’t have the loss history and complexity to require that kind of attention
  • Instead, Pie was built to look at the data available about the business and think through the risk with an algorithm; they still have underwriters behind the algorithm
  • They've found this to be critical in their lines, starting with Workers Compensation, because there is a lot about a risk that isn't available in data or as finite as it would be in Personal Auto or some other lines
  • That makes it hard to figure out what the business actually does, and therefore what the exposure behind it is
  • This is especially problematic in Workers Comp because you're on the risk, whether they or you mis-categorized the business as the injured worker isn't a party to the policy, and therefore can't be denied coverage
  • Pie therefore looks at taking in the 'digital fingerprint' of a business through its online presence, to develop a more accurate picture of what the business actually does than you'd get on an app
  • The net result of inaccurate underwriting when the market is making money is that insureds are being over-charged, or at least many risks are being over-charged to make the total risk pool profitable for the carriers writing the business
  • By being able to more accurately segment and price risks, Pie is able to charge less for risks it understands better and yet still earn a competitive return
  • Pie's algorithms are working to distinguish rate within a class, while the rating agencies like NCCI are determining it between classes at an average level for a given class
  • This has allowed them to grow rapidly and profitably because they price accurately to win the right risk rather than doing what others have done, which is just under-price to sell
    • They've doubled the book in the last year, growing to over a $300 M run rate as of earlier 2022
    • They also sell direct, through agents and brokers and partners
  • John learned lessons from his first go-round with Esurance:
    • Underwriting comes first, so you need to build a profitable book, especially if you're using someone else's balance sheet because you must have that support to do business
    • It is all about the people (which they call Pie-oneers)
  • Looking forward, line of business matters, so there are lines Pie isn't considering (like Cyber), but they recognize that their customers have additional needs like Commercial Auto, Liability and Property
    • Where they can have a data and analytics advantage, it makes sense to think about expanding
    • But they couldn't start with so many lines up front because you have to have vision and focus to execute successfully
  • The market will continue to digitize, but that's not the same thing as everything going direct

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   Vernon Steiner was appointed President and CEO of State Fund on June 9, 2014. Vern has 30 years of insurance industry experience, the majority in workers’ compensation. As the President and CEO, he reports directly to the Board of Directors and is responsible for the day-to-day operations at State Fund.

Vern began his career in 1990, as a Claims Examiner. Early in his career, Vern experienced the workers’ compensation system from the point of view of a third party administrator, a self-insured/self-administered employer and a managed care organization. In 1995, Vern joined AIG as a Service Center Manager, and by 2003, when he left AIG, he was the Regional Vice President, Northwest. He worked for CNA from 2003 to 2007, starting as the Vice President, Field Operations and ultimately Vice President, Workers’ Compensation. Prior to joining State Fund, Vern served as Senior Vice President, Claims at Zenith Insurance from 2007 to 2014.

Vern was a member of the Workers’ Compensation Research Institute’s (WCRI) advisory board from 2009 to 2016, and he served as the California Workers’ Compensation Institute's (CWCI) Board of Directors Chairman and as a member of the Fraud Assessment Commission from 2014 to 2016. He is currently on the CWCI board, the executive committee of the board, and has served on the WCIRB Governing Committee since 2014.

Vern received his Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy from the University of California, Los Angeles. He also earned the Leadership Fellow designation from the National Association of Corporate Directors (NACD).

   **Highlights from the Show**
  • The State Comp Fund was setup to provide Workers Compensation insurance to businesses in California that weren't able to find it elsewhere
  • What they've really focused on over the past few years, they've realized they can't just be a market of last resort if they wanted to genuinely meet the needs of businesses that turn to them for coverage
  • SCIF swelled to being the largest carrier in California, and the country overall due to market conditions
  • Due to restrictions on hiring and investment in tools, they weren't able to scale their staff to meet the surge in business, and feel they were not serving the market acceptably, and that hurt their brand and the organization's morale
  • For the past 8 years, they've been working to transform the culture and brand by accepting their past shortcomings and working to do better
  • They started an effort around innovation that engaged the entire organization, training everyone on design thinking (which they called Experience by Design) and running Challenges for employees to come up with new ideas to improve the company
  • They also took a look at their 10 core values, like Honesty, that were good, but were hard to identify with or see how they really applied to the business; they come up with four new ones that came from the people and were more action-oriented, like Be Innovative
  • They also embrace the ideas that don't move ahead for various reasons like prioritization calls that have to be made, and ensure people are still engaged even if their idea isn't taken up
  • We discussed SCIF's innovation in their direct business, which was essentially the same process and approach as their broker business, but without an advisor to guide you through something very long, arduous and confusing for most business owners
  • SCIF realized that the way people buy insurance will be disrupted and change, and they need to able to engage in that shift themselves
  • Simplifying things a bit, SCIF doesn't actually underwrite since they're a Take All Comers market; instead they just need to develop a price, allowing them to cut out more questions than a carrier doing risk selection in addition to pricing might have to do
  • When they built and launched their new direct, digital journey, they learned that people buy insurance around the clock, even on Thanksgiving and Christmas
  • They've since found additional ways to simplify the process and automate things like post-bind data validation and re-underwriting so they make better calls about what risks need to be reworked, and then to do that more effectively
  • One major lesson they learned from all of this is the need for the right person to own and champion an innovation project, who has the appetite to take risks and push the team to keep moving ahead even when it's tough, while also staying open to feedback and insights from all around them
  • They also created Innovation Design Centers, a team that is dedicated to looking at what's out there through the lens of the problems and needs of the business, and it's tended to have more success on specific solutions for specific parts of the business than things that look across multiple functions of the business at once
  • They also played with a metaverse-like solution to help with remote working and the way that can make casual collaboration tougher, but people didn't really take to it despite there really being a need
  • Part of this is likely because it was yet another change on top of lots of others during the pandemic
  • But it was still worth trying, learning from it, and making good decisions about what you keep doing and what you realize won't be a winner and need to move on from

  • Vern things the future will vary by market segment, and most of their business is small business, which is generally more interested in self-service than perhaps larger accounts are, so you need to meet those on-demand needs digitally today

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         As a veteran in the insurance industry, Sean brings nearly 30 years of experience and expertise to Lemonade as Chief Claims Officer. In this role he’s responsible for claim handling policies, procedures, and execution across all US and EU territories for Lemonade’s full book of insurance products spanning renters, home, pet, car, and life.

Prior to joining Lemonade, Sean spent more than 25 years at USAA holding various leadership positions, the latest being Chief Claims Officer where he had oversight of claim handling for all personal and small commercial lines of business. During his tenure, the company doubled in size, becoming the third-largest homeowners and fifth-largest auto insurer in the US, all while delivering industry-leading loss adjustment expenses and being consistently recognized as the highest rated in claims service by JD Power.

         **Highlights from the Show**
  • Sean has spent nearly 30 years in P&C, all of which was with USAA where he was Chief Claims Officer, before joining Lemonade earlier this year to serve as their Chief Claims Officer
  • What attracted Sean to Lemonade is a view of being there for customers throughout their life and needs rather than a single product or life moment, the technical capabilities to deliver that, and then the people and culture that embraces change and possibilities
  • Lemonade built its own tech, from the start, from the ground up, and tries to be vertically integrated in their tech, which Sean sees as enabling a lot of advantage to what they can do and how they do it
  • Balancing the outside mindset from Tech and the Insurance expertise of industry veterans is hard, but important so you can have the expertise but still stay open and flexible
  • Lemonade is launching their Car product, which coincided with Sean joining, which is a huge undertaking, but an important one to covering the complete picture of their customers
  • It also represents a big opportunity around telematics, which makes sense given how digital Lemonade's customer base is, which yields a 90% take rate for telematics-based coverage
  • Moving into Car will help Lemonade grow given the premium, but also given the importance to their customers
  • Acquiring Metromile also helps here because of the data Lemonade gains through the acquisition after years of insuring cars and collecting telematics data on them that Metromile brings Lemonade day one
  • Telematics can help with claims by better informing what's happened and how to help as quickly and appropriately as possible
  • Sean's first day on the job, he talked to an adjuster who shared that claims are 70% done by the time she gets it, meaning she can really focus on helping the customer and using her expertise rather than dealing with the administration of handling a claim
  • Sean talked about the shift from being so price-driven to being trust-driven, knowing there's someone who stands with you throughout your life
  • AI is not about people losing their jobs, it's about letting people focus on doing the work that matters and having the space to engage personally rather than being overloaded with process
  • Lemonade doesn't just measure customer satisfaction, but also measures empathy they got from the advocate at Lemonade

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   Angie Klett is Senior Vice President of Corporate Development leading Ventures, Mergers & Acquisitions, Strategic Partnerships, and Brokerage Solutions. This set of shared Enterprise competencies focuses on investing in, buying or divesting, and partnering with outside parties to create enterprise value. The team is focused on new ways to acquire customers and partnering to share capabilities, such as data and technology. Corporate Development advances and enhances near term business outcomes while also conducting tests as building blocks into the future.

Previously, Angie served as IT CFO and Chief Procurement Officer (CPO). As CFO, she was a strategic business partner to Jim Fowler, Enterprise Chief Technology Officer, providing financial planning and reporting on the $1B+ IT budget. Since a great deal of technology spend is sourced externally from suppliers, there was a tight link to Angie’s responsibilities as CPO, where she led $4B of strategic sourcing and procurement for Nationwide.

Angie began her career as an accountant in the financial services side of Nationwide. She has spent half her career in the property and casualty business and half in various finance roles. In the property and casualty business, Angie held leadership positions across sales and service centers, marketing, and product management. She has held roles in corporate finance, as well as property and casualty finance.

Angie holds a bachelor’s degree in accounting from Ohio Wesleyan University, a Chartered Financial Consultant designation, and is a CPA. She currently serves on the governance committee for Berger Ohio Health and holds a seat on the finance committee of Ohio Health.

   **Highlights from the Show**
  • Angie is responsible for things in the Build, Buy and Partner side. Corporate Development, which includes M&A, Partnerships and Ventures
  • Nationwide has been an early and bold mover on partnering with OEM car makers on connected insurance
  • This includes partnerships with Ford, Rivian and others
  • Nationwide modernized their core system, moving it to the cloud, allowing them to launch 55 partners on their new platform and the API library they've built on it

    • They have 385 internal APIs and 52 public APIs that allow a partner to go all the way through API
    • Those APIs get over 10 billion pings annually
    • It also allows them to manage things like PCI compliance for payment, or other regulatory considerations that need to be handled at different moments of the process
    • When a customer is in the partner journey, the partner brand is front and central, and then once the insurance is in place, Nationwide's brand is central to the insurance experience
    • We talked about why a car maker would want to embed insurance, and it's not about the commission or marketing consideration they'd earn, but rather the impact on the customer experience of problems securing insurance or an embedded insurance experience that isn't good enough
    • The take rate on the partnerships has been very strong, but the experience and the customer's level of trust in the process dictates the adoption
    • The customer will dictate the speed of adoption and what ways of working will prevail, not us, so we need the flexibility to learn from what they want and provide it, adjusting as their desires change
    • Retention and cross-sell have also performed better than expected
    • Nationwide has explicit learning plans when they partner, and this has allowed them to find new offerings and new products that their openness allows them to see and respond to, like their recent partnership with Assurant on digital coverage verification
    • What does embedded mean to agent distribution? Angie says that we need to let customer dictate how they want to transact, and some will definitely want agent help no matter what

    • That means carriers need to support agents as they become more digital so they can support customers as needs evolve and change

    • In terms of the future, customers will set the pace and adoption rate, and if we can meet their needs as they arise, that transition will be easier for us

    • But trust will be critical, so we need to meet the true needs as they're really being asked for rather than how we want

    • To respond to that means having the flexibility in your platform to respond to each opportunity and have the customization in how you deploy it to meet that specific partnership's needs; if you try to build a new solution each time, you'll find that the economics never work out, but if you lack the ability to really customize efficiently, you'll also fail because you won't meet the market needs

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Jason Kaminsky is the CEO at kWh Analytics. Just prior to joining kWh Analytics, Jason spent more than three years as a Vice President of Environmental Finance at Wells Fargo Bank. As a senior member of the Wells Fargo deal team, Jason originated, underwrote, and financed tax-equity investments during a time when the bank added nearly $1bn of solar assets. Prior to joining Wells Fargo in 2011, Jason worked at SPG Solar, where he supported the CEO on strategic corporate initiatives.

Jason received both his B.S. in Mathematics and his B.S. in Atmospheric, Oceanic, and Environmental Sciences from UCLA. He holds an M.S. degree in Environment and Resources from Stanford University, and also completed his M.B.A. at the Stanford Graduate School of Business. He is from Thousand Oaks, California.

  **Highlights from the Show**   * Jason's background is on the finance side of solar and alternative energy
  • kWh was founded to create a data ecosystem that could be used by the financial industry
  • They created a data co-op model with solar asset owners who would share the data with kWh and get insights back, allowing kWh to use that data in its products to the financing world
  • In 2015, they collaborated with the Department of Energy to see what could be understood about solar production, to see if there's a better way to forecast than the tools on the market so far
  • This also enabled an entry into the insurance space because of what kWh understood about the solar projects they could apply their data to
  • These solar projects needed to generate enough power to pay for their construction and operation, and insurance can be used to cover the risk that they fail to cover their costs
  • Project Finance is nothing new, but when it's in new technologies like solar, it's inherently riskier and more expensive, so insurance can help ensure the flow of financing, allowing these new technologies to take hold
  • While the entity doing the project is the one that takes out the coverage, the lender needs to understand the insurance, too, so they can provide more favorable loan terms, so that creates a need to educate both sides of the risk equation, not just the buyer
  • Projects started to have trouble getting Property insurance in 2021 due to climate risk, especially in markets like Texas, where a large hail event lead to a multi-million-dollar loss at a solar project
  • kWh wondered whether they could do a better job of understanding these risks than existing insurers, and find a way to insure these projects
  • They go a step further, though, because they also have data on the success of projects, including weather-related losses a project suffers, and actions project owners take to protect against these losses, so they can give proactive insights and advice to insureds to reduce their risks and enhance the project's performance
  • Having come from the renewables space, the kWh team is better positioned than the broader insurance market to understand and support these risks, just like specialist financiers can do a better job choosing and supporting projects than the general lending community
  • As we look at power production being built, 3/4 is renewables, so this may be a small space today, but it is very quickly ramping up
  • My ESG paper can be found at future-of-insurance.com/esg

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   Christian W. Mitchell is executive vice president and chief customer officer at Northwestern Mutual. His executive responsibilities include the company’s planning philosophy and experience, consumer insights and experience strategy, and the development of digital tools and processes to deliver a distinctive client experience throughout a client’s journey.

He serves on Northwestern Mutual’s Senior Leadership Team and sits on Northwestern Mutual’s Future Ventures investment committee.

**Highlights from the Show**   * Christian wrote a piece about this moment in the middle of the night when he was stress eating a pepperoni pizza and realized that a project for a new client-centric platform that they had launched was not working as they hoped and they needed to pivot
  • The initial launch of the MVP was intended to get something out and learn quickly, which proved to be the wrong approach for something so critical to customers and advisors where they should have talked to these end users and learned more before deploying something given the stakes at play in the situation
  • By bringing their distributors into the process, you meet them where they are but also learn what they depend on daily given that they've worked with clients for decades, so you can learn the details and insights you would never get otherwise
  • One thing that helped them stop the path they were on and reset was why they were doing it, which wasn't about the system ROI so much as building the right long-term way to engage with customers and drive their experience
  • Freeing them up to build the long-term solution actually allowed them to come back to some very tangible financial benefits from doing things different ways that they learned about and can enable through what they ended up building that they could never have done with their original approach
  • The culture it takes to change like this starts at the top, with CEO John Schlifske not wanting to just be a steward of the company, but rather about making the tough choices needed to set the company up for long term relevance and success
  • This was also helped by their acquisition of LearnVest, which gave them smaller company DNA and mindset when it comes to change and how to use technology

  • Bringing new thinking into the company can be about learning something, but also about changing the historical approach of building things yourself and being a closed system to one of partnerships and working with companies with better ways of doing things

  • The future of CX is wide open, with space for solving things like
  • The underwriting process in Life insurance, where what your advisor already knows about you may be sufficient to underwrite you without having to gather any other information
  • Ecosystems of solutions and partners can be curated to support your needs at different moments in your life through one central relationship

  • Christian sees technology as an ebb and flow, where it comes in and blows up or disaggregates a space, but then over time, it pulls the pieces back together again

  • If you think about incumbents vs. startups, the incumbents have so many resources and assets, but they lack the speed and agility of startups
  • If you're not willing to acknowledge mistakes of the journey you've been on, you won't get faster
  • But if you are, you can get to a point where the incumbents get so fast that there's no room for FinTechs to disrupt them

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Abel Travis is currently the Vice President and Head of Fundamental Underwriters at AF Group, located in Lansing MI. Abel Travis has deep subject matter expertise in the insurance Industry, with over 17 years of experience. Travis is an expert in innovation, designing new products and business models to drive growth and transformation. Travis has provided leadership and guidance in all aspects of the insurance industry from technology, underwriting, product management, innovation, strategy and product development. Travis is an award winning, international keynote speaker at events including InsurTech Insights, InsurTech Connect, Dig In, InsurTech Rising, ACORD Conference, Society of Insurance Research, NAAIA Conference, Women in Insurance, and is a featured industry contributor to Reuters, The Economist, Carrier Management, Digital Insurance, Insurance CIO Magazine, etc. Travis has also contributed to numerous industry white papers including the most recently published “Reinsurance That Connects.”

Travis has a deep affinity for Insurance Innovation and seeing the proliferation of innovation change this Industry. He hosts the Insurance Innovators Unscripted podcast (http://www.InsuranceInnovators.co/blog) to provide and engage in thought leadership with #insurtech innovators, influencers, and executives in insurance. Travis serves as an advisor to regional insurtech startups, provides consultation for private equity firms investing in the insurance sector and mentor’s future industry leaders and innovators.

Travis has been the recipient of many industry awards, including the 40 under 40 from the WBJ, and a top 50 Executive Leader by DiversityMBA. He was named to Digital Insurance’s top Innovators to Watch, was named a Hot 100 by Insurance Business America, and was awarded the Diverse Leader of Change in Insurance recognition.

Travis earned an M.B.A. from Long Island University (Brookville, NY) and a B.A. in Finance from Clarkson University (Potsdam, NY).

**Highlights from the Show**
  • Abel runs Fundamental Underwriters, which is the diversification unit within AF Group to help bring non-correlated risk to complement the group's Workers Comp business
  • Innovation isn't just about new tools, but thinking about what the customer of the future will need from an experience and preferences standpoint, and then building things to speak to that
  • That means having the analytics tools to see the trends developing and then having ways to interact with prospects and insureds to deliver the insights from those trends.
  • Innovation, in Abel's eyes, must be looked at holistically, including the business, its need and the business model.
  • To overcome the negative inertia for change, you need to see where people are on the journey and help them move forward
  • For Abel, that meant recognizing that people in the business didn't necessarily know what InsurTech was when he joined, so he needed to find ways to expose them to new solutions and ideas that could support the business in achieving its long-term aspirations and vision
  • He launched something called InsurTech Day, where he brought in new solutions to do presentations and demos so people in the business could get exposure and understanding of new solutions available in the market
  • They did this in two tracks, one with the executive team to be sure the leadership was getting deep understanding and exposure to InsurTechs, and one for the broader organization to get exposure

  • Thinking about what the future looks like for the industry, Abel starts by taking insurance out of the equation, and just understanding what's happening with the economy and the world more broadly, for example

  • Socioeconomic and geopolitical shifts
  • Economic and work-related shifts like the gig economy

  • Then he looks at what we need to enable to compete in that changed context, in terms of tools, distribution solutions, etc

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Auto Insurance has faced an existential threat before, when analysts predicted the market would evaporate in the 2020s as people stopped buying cars and instead just rode around in shared, autonomous pods. That didn't happen, of course.

But the market is going to face another major shift thanks to the coming together of three major developments – Connected Cars, Embedded Insurance and Subscription Business Models.

In this special report, "The Future of Auto Insurance: Connected, Embedded & Subscribed" Bryan Falchuk shares the impact these three drivers will have on Personal Auto Insurance, and what we in the industry should be doing about to ensure we not only stay relevant, but find a way to thrive.

Falchuk turns to Guidewire's Chief Evangelist, Laura Drabik, to host this episode as he talks about this ideas in this report and how the Insurance industry should plant the seeds today to thrive tomorrow.

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  • Thanks to Laura Drabik, Chief Evangelist of Guidewire Software, who graciously agreed to host this episode so I could share some thoughts with you
  • Auto Insurance will be dramatically impacted by the development of Connected Cars, Embedded Insurance and Subscription Business Models being adopted by OEM car makers
  • Connected Cars – using a wealth of sensors and high speed data connectivity, new vehicles allow for a real-time view of each exposure, which can transform how we look at and price risk, as well as how we can intervene to reduce it; with nearly 80% of new cars sold in the US being connected, this sets the timescale for when materially all cars will be able to be looked at in this way, which will come in the late-2030s.
  • Embedded Insurance – rather than being a separate, friction-filled process, embedding insurance into the sales process of the asset or experience you need insurance for can not only benefit carriers, but allows those selling that car asset (like a car) to reduce the risk of problems getting insurance has on the success of their core business model.
  • Subscription Business Models – OEM car makers are turning to subscription revenue to drive valuation, especially traditional OEMs competing with the valuation of Tesla and the market pressure that creates for them; most major OEMs have announced plans to shift to subscription revenue models, and many of those have explicitly called out Insurance as a core component of that offering.
  • Combining these three drivers, we see OEM car makers using embedding to sell insurance offerings that take advantage of the advanced, connected features they are including in their vehicles to help drive adoption of subscription services (like autonomous driving, vehicle charging, and more).
  • OEMs are not likely to be interested in transferring risk to their own capital base, but rather ensuring risk transfer does not jeopardize their core business or quest for recurring revenue, and therefore will look to distribution partnerships to embed insurance into their offerings.
  • That means carriers who want to participate in this new Auto Insurance market should think about three things:
    • Building partnerships with OEM auto makers, as several carriers have been doing (like Nationwide, State Farm, Liberty Mutual and more)
    • Evolving their Underwriting ethos to embrace real-time, connected, dynamic pricing rather than historic-based, Actuarial pricing where rates move in arrears as loss patterns emerge
    • Have flexible core systems that are Cloud-native and capable of agile, broad API deployments to connect to a wealth of data sources, external tools, and insert themselves into the customer flow of OEMs and others they may seek to embed into or partner with.
  • Lastly, this is not just about Personal Auto, with examples already happening in Homeowners, Commercial Property, Renters, Jewelry, Travel, Personal Accident and More.
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Ramón Lopez has the honor and privilege to lead a team of 4,700 claims professionals looking to provide best in class service for the military community. In his role, he and the team are focusing on making insurance simple, easy and more importantly relevant to the USAA membership. This can better be defined as humanizing and scaling our own digital capabilities, modernizing our technology, personalizing interactions and ultimately delivering the world's best insurance claims experience through service and accuracy. Ramón has over 18 years of insurance industry experience that spans across property and auto insurance and is a graduate of Texas State University. He recently graduated from The University of Texas at San Antonio (UTSA) completing his Executive MBA. Ramón also represents USAA on the board of the San Antonio Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. Ramón is passionate about building diverse teams and sees this as the most significant competitive advantage in the innovation ecosystem. Highlights from the Show

  • Ramón has been in Claims at USAA for 18 years, joining right out of college, starting as an adjuster
  • One of Ramón's roles was to setup and lead the Claims Innovation team, which I featured in the first Future of Insurance book
  • USAA built a number of tools for customers with the military member in mind, given that they could be anywhere in the world with questionable connectivity
  • When the pandemic hit, that helped their ability to respond to customer needs in a new environment with much higher customer expectations
  • That wasn't just because of what they built, but rather because they had a plan and a strategy in addressing situations like this

  • Because USAA members often engage with them in other ways, like banking, that means they're more likely to have their app on their phone, which is helpful at deploying digital solutions for insurance and for Claims in particular

  • As the bar rose for customer expectations, they realized they had to reimagine the process and experience against these new standards rather than what would have sufficed a few years ago, and that could lead to totally new experiences and solutions
  • USAA partnered with State Farm on a blockchain solution in subrogation, which lead to lots of learnings
  • How do you write the right type of contract with another insurance carrier that will ultimately be better for the whole industry?
  • If you're building technology at two carriers, how do you align how the tech groups at each so they can be on pace with delivery with each other given the different approaches and pace at each company?
  • How do you bring the entire industry along? Everyone's cost of admission to new technology is different given where everyone is starting from, so how you get companies to prioritize and engage can be hard. If you want everyone to join up, you need to find a way to build it so everyone can benefit from without massive cost.

  • At USAA, Claims is a strategic part of the P&C business, so they move together in lock step; this has allowed them to deliver major technology projects and transformations faster than if Claims was fighting for priority, support or attention

  • For Ramón, how you innovate and change really depends on where you are in your innovation journey
  • If you're early on, you have a broad and big innovation strategy as you're in an expansion moment where there's a lot you can do
  • As you get further in, the realm of possibilities contracts to being clearer and more defined, so you can contract to focus in more

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Andrew Toy is the President at Clover Health (NASDAQ: CLOV), where he is responsible for driving the vision for how technology and analytics can improve the lives of Clover's members. Andrew joined Clover from Google, where he coordinated enterprise activities for the Android team and ran Machine Learning, Enterprise Search and Analytics for the G-Suite team. Before that, he was the CEO and co-founder of Divide, a company focused on creating a split between work and personal data on mobile devices, which was acquired by Google in 2014. He earned his BS and MS in Computer Science from Stanford.

Highlights from the Show

  • Clover Health is a health insurer focused on Medicare
  • Clover's mission is to use technology to drive better health outcomes, therefore reducing the total cost of healthcare, allowing more people in more places to be covered
  • The US is fairly unique in that healthcare is almost exclusively provided through an insurance mechanism, meaning there's a provider, a patient and a payer involved, complicating our ability to get efficiencies as a market
  • The mechanism Clover is using to change outcomes is The Clover Assistant, which ingests different data points from all the various places and ways people get care to provide insights and advice to primary care physicians to help them in providing care to patients
  • Clover does this without limiting patients to only certain providers, and they not only don't charge providers for access to Clover Assistant, but actually reimburse them at higher rates if they use Clover Assistant
  • Because Clover is focused on helping the overall outcome, it allows them to make longer term decisions on spending on care because they realize, not paying for something today to save money may mean you spend much more tomorrow
  • In P&C, if you don't have a burglarizing of a home today, that has nothing to do with whether you will or won't tomorrow, but healthcare is different since not providing care today can mean health is worse (and more costly) tomorrow

  • Why is an insurer best positioned to solve this health issue?

  • Insurers are incented to reduce total healthcare costs, so their incentives are aligned
  • Insurers see all care, regardless of who provides it
  • Insurers have the mechanism to spread health benefits because any savings in one area can be spread to other areas, broadening care

  • For most commercial health insurers, they don't control members joining or churning since it's usually driven by people's employment, so it's not surprising commercial insurers would be less inclined to build what Clover is building because of their natural tendency away from long-term views

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Rick McCathron CPCU CIC brings more than 25 years of P&C experience to his role as President of Hippo (NYSE: HIPO). Rick joined the company in 2017 to establish Hippo's insurance operations team and bring Hippo’s smart, simple and proactive home insurance products to scale. In just over six years, Hippo has become a national leader in the U.S. homeowners market, reaching more than 80% of the total U.S. homeowners population. Hippo’s integrated platform, which includes a growing suite of proactive services designed to prevent loss, is a modern approach to home insurance that brings customers greater peace of mind.

Prior to Hippo, Rick held senior executive positions at well-respected insurance companies including First Connect Insurance as its President & CEO, Superior Access Insurance as its President & CEO and Mercury Insurance Group (NYSE-MCY) as its Regional Vice President. Rick is both a Chartered Property & Casualty Underwriter and a Certified Insurance Counselor and sits on the Board of Directors of Hippo Holding Company, Spinnaker Insurance Company, First Connect Insurance, Jumpstarter Ventures and The National Alliance of Insurance Education & Research. He is also an advisor for several other InsurTechs.

Highlights from the Show

 * Rick has been in insurance for almost 30 years, across different traditional players, but grew up in an agent family
  • Having spent time in traditional players, he often found himself stymied by the amount of time it took to make decisions and deploy them, which really appealed to him about Hippo
  • Hippo doesn't look at being a Homeowners insurer, but rather a protection platform for people's home
    • This involved preventative maintenance, IoT and other services to stop losses rather than just resolve them better/faster/cheaper
    • Their IoT adoption rate is over 70%, which is something they've worked hard to achieve
    • But they also recognize not every customer want to use the devices, or all of them
  • Hippo also partners with home builders and others in the home ownership space (mortgage lenders, realtors, etc)
  • Hippo built their own tech stack, which has been critical
    • This hasn't worked well for many insurers in the past, but Rick sees the quality of developers and the support and structure they have as a reason Hippo has succeeded here
    • Speed of deployment and the ability to really put the customer first is what allows for genuine differentiation
  • Hippo partners with many other players, based on whether they can do something better than anyone else or not; if they can't, they will partner with someone best-in-class
    • This applies to distribution, too, where Hippo has worked with agents since day one because customers want it, and we can't tell customers how to work with us and expect to succeed
    • As they continue to grow and develop their offering, the common theme is that it's tied to the protection of people's homes, which can extend to the communities they live in (like as they've built a condo product)
  • Embedding is a significant part of the future, as people don't buy home insurance, they buy homes that need insurance
  • Homeowners insurance is a little different from Auto because it's not just about pricing, but also concentration, if you're growing a lot, you need to ask if that's for a good reason or a sign that something is off in what you're doing and are you getting over-exposed as a result
  • As a high-growth, SPAC-listed, InsurTech, Hippo got hit with the recent valuation issues in the market

    • They've made a conscious choice not to manage to the stock market, but to the long term best interest of the customers

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Trent Cooksley is co-founder and COO of Cowbell Cyber. Cooksley is responsible for the strategic direction of Cowbell’s insurance operations and has built the company’s innovative cyber insurance portfolio along with its wide distribution network. As an insurance executive and three-time startup co-founder, Cooksley has held executive and investor roles in all stages of an insurance company's growth. Prior to Cowbell, he was Head of Open Innovation for Markel Corporation and Managing Director of Markel Digital and brought to market numerous innovations such as the first pay-as-you-go insurance technology solution.

Highlights from the Show

  • Trent started his career in insurance at an early pioneer in the Workers Comp space in the early-2000s where he got to work across many different roles and functions
  • They sold that company to Markel, so he joined them, and helped form Markel Digital, Markel InsurTech Underwriters and Markel Digital Ventures
  • In 2019, he left and helped co-found Cowbell
  • Trent worked with Scott Whitehead at Markel, helping to support Thimble, which I wrote about in The Future of Insurance Volume II
  • The team at Markel looked at startups and InsurTech with an underwriter's eye, which meant looking at the fundamentals of the insurance involved and the economics behind it
  • The other founders were going through the Global Insurance Accelerator on their idea for solving cyber insurance issues, and Trent was a mentor to them
  • Jack Kudale, co-founder and CEO of Cowbell, drove to see Trent to white board the idea after the GIA ended, and asked him to join the founding team
  • The team had a strong mix of technology and insurance expertise across the three of them
  • From Trent's experience at Markel, he saw how certain barriers can be navigated more effectively, including how risk bearers who would back you think about risk so you can build your offering in a way that can work through things easier and faster
  • Trent learned the lesson clearly that you should have someone on the team who understands the depths of the industry in addition to outsiders who can think freely of it
  • While natural catastrophe modeling is much slower to change because of the speed of the dynamics in question, cyber catastrophe modeling and risk theory is changing daily, which is where Cowbell can find its advantage

    • They do a lot of scoring and modeling in-house to connect to how they want to look at the marketplace
    • They continuously monitor 23 million businesses in the US so they can take a real-time view on almost any risk that comes to them
    • Their approach is aimed at closing the information asymmetry at underwriting and at claim, and tying the feedback loops together so claims and underwriting learn from each other constantly
    • Many underwriters don't tie internal feedback loops together to make product decisions in real-time, but they also don't tend to use data that comes through their various operations since it's not usually data so much as disassociated information held in a risk record or claim file
    • Cowbell thinks about all of this as they also look at risk engineering, to change the nature of the firm's risk, not just for cyber, but more broadly because of the way technology pervades business
    • Cowbell is an MGA, but also has a captive so they can share in the risk with their capacity providers, which they feel is important
    • There's been a shift in how the insurance market thinks about being a carrier or not
    • He does think there will be an evolution toward taking more risk because that is the insurer model, but it requires different disciplines and capabilities to make it work well
    • There's disruption potential from insurtechs looking to take risk and avoid having other companies defining their product, but there are other constraints you come into when you go full-stack, too
    • Trent reminds us that insurance isn't boring – it's complex and important for protecting the entire world

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Rob Galbraith is a well-known insurance futurist, industry influencer and international bestselling author. Rob has over 25 years of experience on the carrier side and is a recognized thought leader who has been called “the patron saint of insurtech” and “the most interesting man in insurance”. He is an award-winning keynote speaker and frequent media contributor who has spoken at events around the globe on the topics of innovation, insurtech, and the future of insurance. He is the best-selling author of, The End of Insurance As We Know It, and holds the CPCU, CLU, and ChFC professional designations and co-hosts the InsureTech Geek podcast which is available on all major platforms. Highlights from the Show

  • Rob's career took him through different functions in insurance after he joined USAA, where he spent nearly 20 years
  • In 2005, he joined what would today be called the Advanced Analytics department, doing the earliest work on bringing data-based intelligence to underwriting decision making
  • He shared an early insight where USAA realized that the lore of second homes or vacation homes being bad risks was wrong, and that USAA had the product and rating to cover them, so that would be a natural growth area for the company since they were already seeing these risks, but wouldn't accept them
  • When Rob took responsibility for multiple personal property lines, he got his first foray into the world of InsurTech as USAA started various innovation efforts to transform the customer experience across their various product spaces
  • Because USAA insured military members and their families, they only had direct relationships with people who may be in the middle of nowhere with limited connectivity, which forced them to think about how to solve really complex CX problems that can lead to a fantastic experience for those not facing such hurdles
  • This gave him a great view into the future of what insurance could be like, which lead him to work on his book, The End of Insurance As We Know It
  • A few things have held true since Rob wrote the book
  • Rob had foreseen an evolution, but still sees that we are generally going about underwriting the same way rather than using data from sensors and more third party sources that present real-time, more reliable and accurate data, but we haven't gotten there yet
  • He sees the use of data and the insights that can come from this as the thing that will lead to players being able to really move forward and participate in the changes the industry faces, whether that's on CX, product or both
  • One of the things that separated who was able to thrive during the demands of the pandemic is those who were already trying, experimenting and innovating, even in smaller ways, because they had already begun shifting their mindset
  • You can follow Rob on LinkedIn, or listen to his podcast, The InsurTech Geek Podcast

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Danish Yusuf is the Founder and CEO of Zensurance, named one of 'Canada's fastest growing companies' and revolutionizing the commercial insurance experience for thousands of small businesses across Canada.

As a former leader in McKinsey & Company’s Digital Insurance practice, Danish supported insurance clients globally on defining their digital strategy. Before McKinsey, he was a software architect and developer at IBM Canada, covering everything from mainframe development to web development.

Danish earned a bachelor’s degree in Software Engineering from the University of Toronto and has an MBA from Harvard Business School. In 2018, he was named by Canadian Underwriter as one of the Top 10 Brokers Under 40 in the Property and Casualty industry. Highlights from the Show

    * Zensurance started about 6 years ago in the Small Business P&C space, offering all of the lines of business they need, piecing together coverage from as many carriers as is needed for that account's needs
  • Canada as a market is about where the UK was a decade ago, and the US was five years ago
  • Zensurance started in distribution, selling other carriers' products, and morphed into an MGA
  • There are no carrier APIs in Canada, so Zensurance had to build everything themselves to be able to give rates to people who came to their site
  • The Canadian market doesn't require commercial carriers to file rates and forms, allowing for flexibility, like in the UK
  • Zensurance got pushback from carriers on exposing their rates, saying this would lead to commoditization
    • Danish's response is that, if people not being able to discover the price is the only thing that's keeping you in the game, your business is already commoditized, and you just don't know it yet, so figure out another way to compete
  • Their digital approach has allowed them to ensure the right questions are asked for each type of risk, and they can see if people change their answers that informs their confidence in their rate, which has lead to better loss results than the market
  • While Zensurance uses third party data, they've found it is hard to source reliable third party data on micro risks, so they've instead built out their own questions, hyper-tailored to the risks, and found they can ask more questions in a tailored way with the right language, which leads insureds to feel more comfortable with them since they're demonstrating an understanding of the insured's business
    • As a result, they can ask more questions than others, while there's a push elsewhere to ask fewer and fewer questions
  • Managing all those questions to ask across so many different combinations of what businesses do and where and how they do it makes this extremely hard, and not a job you ever finish work on
  • While Personal Lines gets a lot of the digitization focus, Small Commercial drives profit but is not in the discussion, meaning it's an untapped gem that is attractive to focus on – if you can solve the expense ratio issue in the space
  • COVID accelerated the online push, meaning Zensurance grew 4x in the past 18 months
  • They've also had to keep evolving their business taxonomy as the work people do keeps changing, especially in the pandemic
    • This also impacts their pricing, question sets and more
  • The value of being a full stack carrier rather than an MGA is about controlling your price, but at the cost of significant capital needs and margin risk
  • The Small Commercial market in Canada is still not one that's had a lot of digital disruption, and Zensurance is the largest and only one that's purely Canadian-focused
  • Some people, some of the time want to talk to a human, so you can't just go fully digital, but you also need to think how to do the human side efficiently
  • There are different segments of customers you need to serve, so understanding that and how to serve them differently (or choosing not to serve every segment) is critical to success
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Raghav leads the P&C business globally for EXL, including all aspects of strategy and growth, sales and account management, products and solutions, and service delivery for a global workforce of over 9,000 professionals. Since taking over this role in 2018, Raghav has transformed the business to a $250M+ powerhouse and established EXL as the unparalleled leader on the back of an innovative, solution-led go-to-market strategy coupled with an obsessive focus on customer experience and net promoter scores. Under Raghav’s leadership, EXL P&C Insurance has been ranked consistently as #1 and a Star Performer by research firm Everest in their Global Provider Peak Matrix Rankings in 2020 and 2021. He has expanded the business to 25+ global markets and pivoted the business to be a strategic digital transformation partner to the insurance industry, including 7 of the top 10 US insurers and the largest global broker. He is an active contributor, thought leader and speaker at industry events and conferences.

Prior to his current role, Raghav was the Global Lead Partner for EXL’s strategic accounts and co-head for EXL's Insurance Transformation business. He has extensive experience of implementing and managing strategic client engagements. He is a dynamic leader with over 20 years of experience. Raghav has a Bachelors degree in Economics from St. Stephen’s College, University of Delhi, and has attended the Advanced Management Program at Kellogg School of Management, Northwestern University.

Highlights from the Show

  • Raghav runs the Global Insurance practice for EXL, which he's been with for over 19 years
  • EXL is seeing so many changes on the back of the pandemic across so many carriers, by at least three years in Raghav's eyes
  • The focus has been on digitization and CX, especially
  • Innovation has been held back in the insurance industry for a very long time, with some carriers choosing to create innovative units, and they have been best positioned to change
  • 60-70% of the disruption in the industry has been focused on Personal Lines and distribution
  • When this can be done as a science rather than an art – more use of tech, of advanced models, in using AI in decision making and processing
  • Think about an organization that is hyper-connected with customer experience at its core, without silos between the major functions, product lines and operations that can leverage real-time data and insights, predictive and prescriptive
  • As an example from a Workers Compensation claims payment:

    • Can an AI or ML algorithm look across claims that informs loss control when it sees patterns to try to stop those claims from occurring in the future by changing behaviors and practices
    • This insight comes from being hyper-connected at the scale of minute data, in real-time
    • This creates fluidity of insurance – we have all of these different insurance policies, but as a customer, we'd really just prefer to have everything embedded in our life providing the right coverage in the right place without worrying about which policy is at play when or how
    • The use of data in a seamless fashion will mean the traditional insurance hubs of Hartford or London will see competition from new places like Singapore and Hong Kong, driven by how data is being utilized
    • Whether from the inside or outside, to spot where disruption will come from, you have to reimagine Insurance with the customer at the core in a way we have never done before
    • Right now, the innovation is happening in small slices, but the money is coming in and data is being utilized in a way that we may get the Uber or Amazon level of disruption that brings about fluidity of insurance
    • Soft markets push us to look at efficiency, but also to ensure we align intensity with severity
    • With the vision Raghav has for fluidity of insurance, there is no way to make that a reality with any systems or structures today, so it will take totally rethinking the approach to insurance, which may take a push from big tech to enable
    • With the constraints the industry faces, this future may be very hard to realize, so we need to be aware of our constraints while thinking about what could be enabled if they were removed
    • But these constraints are usually self-imposed, and to customers, the ways we divide the business don't matter; insurance is insurance to them and the divisions we impose between products, Personal and Commercial, Underwriting and Claims, are just annoyances; they just want to be served, and we need to rethink that structure

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Ryan Hanley is the founder and president of Rogue Risk, a one-of-a-kind national digital commercial brokerage, pioneering the "Human-optimized" independent agency methodology. Ryan produces The Ryan Hanley Show podcast, the largest independent agent-focused podcast in the world. Ryan is also the Amazon bestselling author of Content Warfare and has been an insurtech advisor and investor for more than 5 years.

Highlights from the Show

* Ryan started in insurance as a producer at an agency almost 20 years ago
  • Growing up, Ryan never had a clear vision of what he wanted from his career, and got into Insurance because his future-father-in-law offered him a job
  • He realized early on that he was terrible at the traditional approach to sales, driving around, trying to talk to people for leads and business
  • He realized digital was the key, so he shifted to using digital platforms to drive activity
  • He left to join TrustedChoice.com to be their Chief Marketing Officer, and then do the same at Bold Penguin
  • Due to a family emergency, he had to stop traveling, so he left Bold Penguin for a local business he lead for a short time before starting his own insurance agency, Rogue Risk
  • Ryan has met thousands of people across the industry through his career, and saw this coalescence of attempts to disrupt the agency channel with enhancements to the value agents can provide, and that was the genesis of his business, Rogue Risk, which brings together both sides of the equation to support small businesses better
  • Ryan found that many leaders can't deal with taking losses or having failures, while he sees them as a normal part of building something
  • If you're unwilling to put something at risk, you will never capture what is really possible or meet the true needs out in the market
  • Ryan says he's going to lose 50% of the time, but the wins will be much bigger, so it's worth it
  • If you want innovation, then you have to be willing to take the lumps with it, like pricing that may move more than other players
  • Carriers should think about how hard it is to work with them (whether for the insured or an agent), and the excuse is "because that's how it's done"
    • Then you have new entrants like Coterie who you can close an account with in seven minutes on one call
  • People often focus on nuances of the startups or their coverage that don't matter to the vast majority of risks, yet they hold these things up as valid reasons to dismiss newcomers who are doing things better/faster/more flexibly and missing the chance to learn from their example
    • Ryan gives an example of The Hartford, who won't allow premium to be paid in the first year any way except in full and from a bank account; you can't use a credit card until year two; but most small businesses want to manage their expenses differently, want the points, want aggregated expense tracking, etc, so this doesn't fit their need; yet The Hartford says it's small business focused
    • Then you have Coterie on the other side, who allows credit card payments from Day 1, so if you're quoting both carriers on a risk, and the price is the same, Coterie wins the account for the simple reason that they work the way that small business account prefers to work
    • Increasingly, this is how small business is won, on the way we work more than the details and nuances on the margin
  • Ryan gives advice to InsurTechs trying to sell into Insurance, and how much it is still so much about relationships (than Financial Services is), so knowing the right people can help shrink timelines
    • This is because as an industry, we need to trust who we're working with and that they will be here for the long haul, like the carriers will be
    • Ideas come and go, and that's ok, but they need to know that the people will stand up if something happens so they can trust that things will be ok in the end
    • While he hopes we speed up, he hopes we don't change caring about the long term because that's what lets us stay able to be there for people in the worst moments, like major hurricanes
  • Rogue is a digital agent, but also knows that many situations require a phone call, so pure digital paths will inherently mean some people can't find coverage with you; Ryan started the agency with a concept of No Customer Left Behind, which means he leans on digital, STP solutions as well as being able to pickup the phone and talk to an insured in a hybrid approach
  • Ryan sees a future that will still include local agents because there is a local need for advisors, but it will be supported by new technology that can make the economics of a small agency better than they are today, making them more sustainable
    • However, those local agents won't look like they did forty years ago, where you could open a shop and walk the streets to drum up business
    • Digital agents can drop a pin in your area and scoop up business in a way that never existed before, so the model will be different for local shops
  • Launching Rogue three days before COVID lock downs changed how they built things
  • Rogue's model is to incubate producer's futures by letting them build their own business to eventually spin off
    • This is different from being a producer at a large shop where you can be a star, but never ultimately own your book
    • COVID forced them to pivot to in-bound rather than the outbound model he envisioned, but now they've been able to go back to the incubator idea he originally had
  • So many people talk about wanting to grow, but are really ok with low single-digit growth; if you really want to grow, you have to be willing to make investments in your business

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Kerridge, the newly appointed CEO of Hiscox USA, has a proven track record of building successful and profitable businesses during his career. Having joined Hiscox in 1996, he created Hiscox’s first direct online business in the UK; initially for home insurance and then for commercial clients.

In 1999, Kerridge started Hiscox’s first direct-to-consumer online business in the UK, leaving it in 2009 with a market-leading position in the small business and affluent homeowner’s insurance arena. Kerridge then relocated from London to New York to oversee the launch and development of Hiscox’s US digital small business operation. Kevin Kerridge was executive vice president of the direct and partnership division at Hiscox USA, the US arm of the global specialty insurer.

He guided Hiscox’s effort to reinvent small business insurance in the US, delivering it through a best-in-class online and service center delivery model. Hiscox had first mover advantage when it launched the service in 2010 and is now focused on stretching its lead and capitalizing on the almost $200 million invested so far in the technology, marketing and service center.

Under Kevin’s leadership, Hiscox reinvented small business insurance in 2010 when it launched the first online direct-to-consumer business insurance platform in the US – which now serves over 500,000 small business policyholders. Kevin has deep expertise at the intersection of technology and risk as it relates to starting, growing and protecting a business. He has received numerous industry accolades and is a sought after speaker on issues relating to small business and InsurTech.

Highlights from the Show

  • Kevin Kerridge is the CEO of Hiscox's US business, and has spent 26 years with the company, 22 of which have been building and running their digital businesses in the UK and US
  • In 2009, after building the mid- and high net worth homeowners digital offering and then moving to small commercial, Kevin came to the US to build their direct, small business offering here
  • For years, Hiscox had no carrier competition despite lots of analysts predicting other carriers would come into the digital, direct space any minute
  • Kevin sees this as a supply-side problem because there were no carriers with huge market share who could move the market, and, despite customers searching for insurance and trying to buy direct, online, carriers didn't see enough payback to warrant making that move
  • Hiscox saw this as an opportunity to avoid being stuck in the middle and have the chance to compete as a leader that owns a space, which they were able to do with a 10-year head start over InsurTech players and incumbents who are finally moving into the space

    • It turns out, they are stuck in the middle, but it's between InsurTechs who didn't exist yet and incumbents who didn't move fast enough, giving them a huge head start on startups and incumbents
    • Hiscox has had a much more open approach to distribution than many carriers, with Kevin often talking about the approach as "All roads lead to Hiscox"

    • After investing hundreds of millions in the solution, they've ended up with great scale with over 500k customers and 130 brands they distribute through

    • This openness is key because of how hard and expensive acquisition is, so you need partners, even if they may look like a competitor through another lens
    • Small Business in the US is probably $130 billion, and no one carrier can have an expansive share there because it's too big for a single players, so having a network of collaborating partners is critical
    • To take advantage of these opportunities takes thinking about insurance as a retail business would or you'll miss what the Small Business buyer needs
    • Kevin says you should never forget the fact that you're an insurance company, and fast growth may be dangerous if you lose sight of underwriting and the need to make good underwriting choices

    • Scale helps with the fix costs and loss smoothing, but it can't help with structural underwriting unprofitability

    • New entrants help change the way incumbents think, which is so necessary
    • Looking forward, Kevin sees that:

    • People will keep underestimating the intermediated channel, especially as traditional distributors get on the digital curve

    • There will be a lot of rethinking about small commercial products for the truly small businesses who are stuck with minimum premium coverage that's actually more than they need
    • Simplification will still matter because SMB customers often need to be sure they are covered, but they're really looking for coverage to enable their ability to do business

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Jamie Hale is the CEO and Co-Founder of Ladder, the award-winning digital life insurance company helping more people get covered in an instant, easy, and affordable way. Rooted in personal experience, Jamie’s deep belief that life insurance is a fundamentally good product for families and communities inspired him to build Ladder and close the $16T coverage gap. Prior to co-founding Ladder, Jamie was Partner at Aldenwood Capital and at Oak Hill Investment Management. He also worked at NextCard, pioneering instant credit and the first ‘internet enabled’ Visa card. Jamie is a graduate of Bowdoin College and Harvard Business School.

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  • Jamie Hale is the co-founder and CEO of Ladder Life
  • They saw a great product that was sold in a complicated, long way at a high cost, and find ways to do that better
  • The product took about 6 weeks to buy, and was fixed even though your needs aren't
  • The length of contracts and profitability of them has worked against a drive to innovate in Life like short-contracts and thin margins have demanded in P&C
  • Ladder grew 4.5x in 2021, and raised their Series D round
  • Ladder has been an attractive addition to P&C agents' portfolios because it's easier to sell than other Life products yet pays the typically higher commissions you see in Life
  • That goes to the point on distribution, where you can be multichannel rather than saying agents are evil or bad – different customers need different levels of help and want to transact differently, so being open to agents makes a lot of sense
  • A lot of what's broken in Life has nothing to do with the agent, but internal to the carrier and underwriting
  • Life underwriting changed dramatically in the 1980s around health data, and hasn't want to let go of that, while Ladder looked to keep it but getting the data in an easier way for customers that also leads to a faster process
  • Jamie has found that reinsurers, while traditional, also want to drive innovation – they just need to see that it's able to be mapped back to what they're familiar with and can see validity in
  • To help with this, Ladder has announced their own carrier to help show the reinsurers the validity of what they're doing since they're willing to take their own balance sheet risk
  • We haven't seen as many startup carriers in Life as P&C because, again, of the profitability and timescales involved that work against the need for new carriers
  • To start your own carrier de novo is hard because of seasoning requirements, just like in P&C
  • Despite both being Insurance, Life and P&C are really two different markets, and that's a big part of why innovation and InsurTech activity has been so different – though the prize is as big or bigger in Life
  • Where will changes come in Life

    • There are so many challenges and interesting things to solve and a huge TAM, so there's lots of innovation to be had
    • Jamie thinks the next gen of Life startups will have a harder time, though, because the first gen, like Ladder, already carved out the largest chunk of improvement (like going from 6 weeks to 5 minutes for underwriting)
    • Does that mean this isn't the start of a big bang of innovation and investment in Life, but perhaps one where the velocity looks different from P&C
    • Rather than the Life insurance products, the innovation may be in asset management, but it's a very tough space given the amount of regulation there
    • And if you lose a sale today, it's hard to win it back tomorrow because the long contract product is in place blocking you
    • Ladder has ended up with an average customer age that's 15 years younger than incumbents, and has a lower lapse rate than anyone in the industry, as well as higher face amounts because of the lower rates they're able to achieve for the same risk
    • How things will change in Life, it has been so human-centric and now there's a drive to more data-centric approaches
    • The industry has been able to ignore customer experience and delight because it was needed, but that's no longer the case as people have more options, so NPS is more important, and many don't even know their NPS (Ladder's is 86)
    • Distribution, similarly, has been fragmented, with carriers only working one way, and now there's a move to be where the customer is and wants to do business
    • For future entrepreneurs, think about what the customer's real challenge is, and how you can solve it as efficiently and with data from day one

This episode is brought to you by VPay (vpayusa.com), part of Optum Financial. And by the the book series, The Future of Insurance: From Disruption to Evolution by Bryan Falchuk (future-of-insurance.com).

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