Race and Redemption: Recent Episodes
Brooke Hempell, Susan Robinson
The Race and Redemption podcast exists to provide first-hand testimonies along with Biblically and factually accurate, non-partisan content so that our listeners are empowered to pursue racial redemption right where they are planted.
How can we create spaces in our communities and ministries where people of different backgrounds feel like they belong? What’s the difference between belonging and feeling “comfortable,” and how does discomfort help us grow?Cesar Castillejos has years of experience fostering meaningful belonging for kids and young adults in youth ministry. He shares countless gems of wisdom in this episode, like- When should we come in as a learner and a servant instead of a doer? How are we using our opportunity and access to equip and empower others? Are we prepared to get out of the way so that others can grow? How can we create “holy confusion” that leads to awe and wonder about Jesus? Cesar addresses all of this and more.
Cru Employee's Experience Attending The Lenses Institute
Cru Divided Over Emphasis on Race featured in Christianity Today
Voices of Lament
Journey to Freedom, an Exodus Bible study
A Sojourner’s Truth
Brittany West leads us straight into the Word of God for inspiration around what it means to be one in Christ Jesus. Does this lead to colorblindness? How does our earthly uniqueness and Kingdom identity work together? How are churches succeeding and missing the mark when it comes to Biblical diversity? Join us for this thought-provoking talk centered out of Galatians 3.
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Brooke and Susan catch up on their lives since the end of Season Four, preview topics they plan to cover in this upcoming season and dig into varying perspectives on some of the latest headlines.
The Red Road
Anything by Randy Woodley
Neither Wolf Nor Dog
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
Books:
Crowned with Glory by Dorena Williamson
Josey Johnson's Hair and the Holy Spirit by Esau McCauley
Black Boys: Our Hidden Treasure by Ty Lewis
Books by Adam Thomason
Body Language: A Conversation on Race and Restoration in the Body of Christ with Dr. Anita Phillips and Christine Caine
New book Living From The Heart available July 2022
http://www.sandravanopstal.com/
Forty Days on Being an 8 (book)
Susan and Brooke have a lot to catch up on after taking a short break between seasons. Listen in as they share some very personal experiences- some are hard and some are hopeful.
Season three is coming to an end but we couldn't let it close without sharing our hearts around how the observation of Advent and Sabbath plays out in work of justice and reconciliation and also taking a moment to pray you into the days ahead.
Flynn Broady Jr., an army combat veteran and recently elected District Attorney, educates us on the meaning, methods and outcomes of restorative justice and fills us in on the Ahmaud Arbery murder case he is helping to prosecute. DA Broady explains the roles prosecutors, defenders and judges play in the trying and sentencing of offenders and how they can work together to best serve the community at large. We discuss how restorative practices affect recidivism and influence overall crime rates and how they most closely resemble the type of justice we see modeled for us in the New Testament. Jesus, justice and so much more come together in this thought-provoking and informative conversation.
You hear Brooke and Susan on the mic each week, but did you know that there are more hearts and hands behind the Race and Redemption podcast? Today we get the chance to talk with our sound engineer, Matt Owen, and our graphic designer, Kendra Harrell, to find out why they said yes to joining our mission in equipping white Christians to pursue racial justice right where they are planted. They share their honest reaction to receiving a call from two white ladies wanting to podcast about race and they get vulnerable about their own stories, insecurities and gifts that they are using for good. We love these two incredible people and you will too after hearing this episode!
Critical Theory and Race - Part One
Episode 10 on BLM, CRT and Social Justice with Dr. Crawford and Karen Loritts
Tim Keller’s review of justice and critical theory
Christianity Today expert panel on CRT
Dr. Tony Evans on CRT
Episode 10 on BLM, CRT and Social Justice with Dr. Crawford and Karen Loritts
Tim Keller’s review of justice and critical theory
Christianity Today expert panel on CRT
Dr. Tony Evans on CRT
https://www.thediversitygap.com/
https://www.bethaneywilkinson.com/
The Diversity Gap book on Amazon
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Dorena Williamson's current books include ColorFull, ThoughtFull, and GraceFull, available through Christian book distributors and Amazon. Her forthcoming books include A Celebration Place (to be released via IVPKids November 9 2021) and Crowned with Glory (published by WaterBrook Multnomah in January 2022). Find out more on her website at dorenawilliamson.com.
Entrepreneur, lead real estate agent and housing activist, Jonathan Rich, joins us to dive into the history of racism in real estate, how we can bring equity in today’s practices and how his own journey has informed his heart for building communities full of homes, not houses. How has zoning, wards and redlining had generational effects on community development? Why and how were the suburbs created? How does where you live affect your access to food, education, transport and other necessities? Were there racist real estate laws and when did they get reformed? What can we do today to help change the lasting effects of these historical evils? Jonathan answers these questions and more in an episode that equips and educates us to thoughtfully engage around this reality.
Mary Pugh, former intelligence analyst and current carpool maven, joins us to talk about her own journey growing up as a Japanese American and how this informed her approach to raising her children. Mary grew up on military bases around the country and the world, experiencing a sense of belonging and also being treated as an outsider. She had global experience, yet, as an adult, she realized she knew more about the world than she did about her home neighborhood and city. Her pursuit of understanding gave birth to a Civil Rights Summer Camp for her own children and their friends. Listen and learn from a woman that courageously answered God's call to leverage what she had for the next generation and the Kingdom of God.
Brooke and Susan return from summer Sabbath with fresh perspective on what it means to navigate our differences in love. With insight from Scripture, they discuss the responsibility of Christ followers to love first in a world that thrives on winning and being right. What example did Christ set for us and how do we walk in His way today? How do our own testimonies play a role and can radical love truly overcome hate?
Summer Sabbath is over and we are ready to jump back into dialogue with you all about so many things. Tune into the trailer to hear a preview of some of the timely and fascinating topics we plan to cover this season!
Brooke and Susan candidly answer real questions from listeners about their children, life and influence. Why did they really start this podcast? What are some words of wisdom when it comes to discussing racism and Biblical unity with children? How do they navigate sharing their opinions in their respective areas of influence? What's on their summer reading list? The ladies tackle these topics and more in the Season Two finale!
http://markvroegop.com/
Weep With Me: How Lament Opens a Door for Racial Reconciliation
Building a Multiethnic Church: A Gospel Vision of Grace, Love and Reconciliation in a Divided World
Citations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Awakes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
https://www.prisonfellowship.org/2017/09/hello-my-name-is-felon/
How did Haiti go from being one of the wealthiest nations in the world to one of the poorest? If Puerto Ricans have been US citizens since 1917, why do they remain disenfranchised at the national level? Why would someone identify as Afro-Latino? What is the difference between terms like Latino, Latina and Hispanic? Cristina Mineo and Andrew Guerrier answer these questions and more in this passionate and personal conversation with Brooke and Susan.
Grab your friends and family for our VIRTUAL BOOK CLUB where we will read and discuss Weep With Meby Mark Vroegop.
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Join us on the following Sunday nights when we go LIVE on Instagram to have a community conversation on what we have read:
2/21/21-- Foreword and Intro
3/7/21-- Part 1: Lament in the Bible & History
3/21/21-- Part 2: Lament & Majority Christians
4/11/21-- Part 3: Lament & Minority Christians
4/25/21-- Conclusion and Beyond
Brooke and Susan have an honest discussion about the events that have unfolded since their last episode was released on Election Day. They share their struggles and fears but also detail the hope and security they have found through prayer and God’s Word.
Season Two is right around the corner and we can hardly wait to get back into conversation with all of you. This season we plan to continue bringing you the historical, research-centered and Biblically-based content you loved in Season One along with even more truthful and transparent interviews. We also plan to launch our first Virtual Book Club so be sure to tune in for details coming in Episode Three!
Susan and Brooke wrap up Season One by filtering popular theories, movements and politics through God's Word to equip and empower listeners to rightly dialogue about racial redemption with friends and family over the holidays.
Susan and Brooke discuss how our bodies respond to trauma and how that plays out generationally and in race-related experiences. They also dive into the Scriptures to find wisdom on acknowledging and responding to trauma.
Brooke and Susan talk with Tedashii and Danielle about what tangibly makes cross-cultural relationships successful and the realities of raising black boys in America today.
Susan and Brooke sit down with educator Danielle and hip hop artist Tedashii to discuss how power and preference affect unity when it comes to worship, music, church life and personal worldviews.
Cole Arthur Riley is the creator of the trending Instagram account @blackliturgies- a space where Black words live in dignity, lament, rage, and hope to the glory of God. Cole reads through several of her liturgies and shares the inspiration and process behind each piece.
Brooke and Susan sit down with Apologist and Jude 3 Founder, Lisa Fields, to discuss Biblical justice, the unique need for apologetics in the black community and growing good fruit from the rotten root of slavery in America.
History of Race: Lisa Sharon Harper’s book: The Very Good Gospel
Anti-Black ideas: Ibrahim Kendi’s book: Stamped from the Beginning
Taxonomist Carolus Linnaeus https://www.linnean.org/learning/who-was-linnaeus/career-and-legacy
Johann Friedrich Blumenbach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eOXo0nG574
Craniologist Samuel Morton https://www.penn.museum/sites/morton/craniology.php
Charles Darwin: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/what-your-biology-teacher-didnt-tell-you-about-charles-darwin/
Elizabeth Key: http://slaveryandremembrance.org/people/person/?id=PP031
Virginia Slave codes: http://hackettlatinacademy.weebly.com/uploads/2/2/5/1/22510182/virginiaslavecodes.pdf
Colonial Slave Codes: http://marylandpublicschools.org/about/Documents/DCAA/RFLM/23_ColonialSlaveCodes_July2012.pdf
In the second part of our interview with Josh Clemons, we discuss perspectives on supremacy in society, the role compassion and faith play in politics and how cultural humility helps in dialogues about race.
Brooke and Susan sit down with the OneRace Movement Co-Director, Josh Clemons, to discuss the trap of trendy activism, the power of prayer in racial unity and different interpretations of the term "reconciliation."
Brooke and Susan discuss how comfort and fear can hinder a person from the work of unity.
We continue our discussion with Dr. Crawford and Karen Loritts by putting a Gospel lens on social justice as well as movements and ideologies like Black Lives Matter and Critical Race Theory.
Susan and Brooke sit down with Dr. Crawford and Karen Loritts to discuss what it was like to live in America before the Civil Rights Movement, what has changed since and what must happen for greater healing to take place today.
Brooke and Susan share six tips that have helped them more successfully engage in dialogues about race-based issues.
Brooke and Susan go deep with author and hip-hop artist, Lecrae Moore, as he shares the struggles leading up to becoming a Christian and how those traumas played out as a black man in a predominantly white environment.
Citations:
- https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/slavery
- https://study.com/academy/lesson/headright-system-definition-lesson-quiz.html#:~:text=The%20headright%20system%20was%20originally,received%2050%20acres%20of%20land.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Punch_(slave)
- https://medium.com/message/how-white-people-got-made-6eeb076ade42
- https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/slavery/timeline/1705.html
- https://www.history.com/news/last-hired-first-fired-how-the-great-depression-affected-african-americans
- https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america
- https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n4/v70n4p49.html
- https://www.history.com/news/gi-bill-black-wwii-veterans-benefits
- https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/confederate-states-of-america#:~:text=The%20Confederate%20States%20of%20America,election%20of%20President%20Abraham%20Lincoln.
- https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/4/4/17189310/martin-luther-king-anniversary-race-inequality-racism
- https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/history-mass-incarceration
- https://newrepublic.com/article/129433/clintons-war-drugs-black-lives-didnt-matter
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality_in_the_United_States
- https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fryer.pdf
- https://www.statista.com/chart/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface
Welcome to the Race and Redemption Podcast. Today our co-hosts, Brooke and Susan, share their own journeys in the conversation and preview a little about what to expect in upcoming episodes.