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Scott Trout's story of acting, fame, and trying to be the life of the party all the while still trying to be a Christian and "measure up" spiritually. This led to a constant battle of trying to please those around him and getting lost in who he actually wanted to be. What Scott needed was to realize he is just a seed not an autonomous human being, and he needed to submit to the process of "being gardened.""The seed needs to die to two things: living for its own fruit and trying to grow on its own strength"--Scott Trout

Key Texts:

"Unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit." John 12:24

"I am the vine, you are the branches.... apart from me you can do nothing" John 15:5

Scott was the speaker at the Navigator Emerging Leaders Conference in the UK in February 2024.

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Volatility in marriage. Being forced to go to counseling. Taking each other for granted, but fighting their way out of it and surviving only because of their faith. Welcome to the nitty gritty of Scott and Briana Trout's marriage. This is a new thread on the Between Two Worlds podcast where host Scott Trout and his wife Briana are interviewed by someone else to try to bring to life their beliefs and how it impacts their day to day life. Nowa O'Connell interviews Scott and Briana separately to see how they keep from taking each other for granted and what was one of the most vulnerable moments of their marriage.

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Dutch People Don't Talk about Their Spiritual Beliefs, But It's Starting to Change. Is the Universe Governed by an Impartial Force Called Love or the God of Christianity? Luuk Elkhuizen is Dutch, the youngest boy in a family of four boys from the Friesland area of the Netherlands, and an atheist from a family that has been atheistic for three generations. He joins Scott to talk about how religion was never on his mind growing up... until now.

Dutch society in many ways is so far post Christian that many young people are starting to get curious about what Christianity is all about. But they find it hard to find someone who actually believes. Luuk, to his knowledge, can only remember one guy growing up who genuinely believed and tried to defend his beliefs to his largely atheistic friend group. Now Luuk has started to read the Bible with Scott and is coming up with his own opinion about who Jesus was and what the Bible is all about.

For people of faith, how would you articulate what it means to live by love?

For agnostics and atheists, do you think there is a new feedback loop happening in society with so many not being religious?

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"You will die as bad people if you do not believe in me" Jesus in the Book of John. Is the Bible more a book about guilt or a book about love?

Scott's Dutch Neighbor, Third Generation Agnostic, Luuk Elkhuizen sits down with Scott after reading the book of John to share the things he likes about Christianity and the things he doesn’t like. Also discussed is the difference between how the Bible describes justice and how Western society describes justice. Lastly, Scott shares quotes collected from those who think there is value in being religious.

For people of faith, how would you describe the message of the Bible?

For agnostics and atheists, do you think it is bad to judge people and call them a bad person?

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Why is 'divorce is off the table' for so many religions? Do Christian overcomplicate dating and marriage? How to make a long-distance relationship work?

Former American missionary to Kiwis in New Zealand and Friendly American with a Great Beard--- Nick Maddy shares about how he basically broke the rules to start dating his now wife, Elise; how to keep things fresh and creative during long distance relationships; and what Nick would say to someone who is hesitant to get married.

"In any Christian relationship, we are to be like Jesus, completely dying to ourselves in all aspects and laying our life down for the sake of the other." Nick on the Christian view of marriage.

For people of faith, in what way did God direct your relationship if you are in one?

For agnostics and atheists, do you think Christians overcomplicate things with how they talk about marriage and relationships?

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"Is it ok that I do more in you than through you" --God to Nick while on the mission field in New Zealand.Former American missionary to Kiwis in New Zealand and Friendly American with a Great Beard--- Nick Maddy shares about how he found God through the car crash of his friend in college, how he decided to give up everything for 'God', and how he had a horrible time in New Zealand as a missionary.... and might go back.

For people of faith, have you heard a call "to go" from God like Nick did, if so what did you do about it?

For agnostics and atheists, do you see any harm in the way Nick leads his life trying to "listen to God's voice"?

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Welcome to another Trout Family Christmas Special! This time written by Scott Trout.

"Santa is in a deep depression. The pandemic has thrown a huge wrench in his supply chain, his elves are on strike, and he isn't sure he wants to do Christmas anymore. Then came Peter, a small boy who still believed in Santa and what Christmas was all about..."

This is an audio production of "Bringing Back Santa: A Christmas Comeback Story" written and produced by Scott Trout.

My family and I used to make these Christmas recordings when we were little. My mom would pick a Christmas story for us to read and then assign us different parts in the story, whether it was playing the piano, repeating lines after she said them, or just wishing people Merry Christmas at the end. For us as a family, this tradition helped us remember that Christmas is not just about us getting presents, but it's about Jesus's birth and giving to others like he gave to us. My parents would send these recordings on cassette tapes to friends and family all over the US every year. As we got older, we stopped doing the recordings, so I thought it was about time we brought it back.

For this year's edition:

See if you can find Naomi's contribution...
My little brother, Ben, never got to be in one of these growing up so he is a star role this time around.
And a huge congrats to my little cousin, Peter, for his breakout role in the performing arts. Being the lead in one of these Christmas productions set me up to be an actor for life. I hope the same happens to you Peter.

I hope this story reminds you of the meaning behind Christmas and how this can be a time to serve others not just receive presents.

Cast:

Narrator--Scott Trout

Santa Cla-- Roy Matthewson

Mrs. Klaus-- Stacey Matthewson

Peter--- Peter Matthewson (age 8)

Alfie the Elf-- Ben Trout

Ada the Elf-- Lexi Trout

Desperate Daughter--- Naomi Trout (age 2)

Song Credits:

Between Two Worlds Intro-- Matthew Lohr

Between Two Worlds Outro-- Jan Pieter Eversdijk

"Santa Claus Is Coming to Town" by the Jackson Five

Other Credits:

Sound Effects: Domenico Gemoli

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What is it like to be a trans person seeking healthcare in a system that does not know how to handle your needs? What could the American healthcare system do better? This and more on this episode of the Progressive Voice.

"Nearly half of trans people have been mistreated by medical providers, report finds" is an article published by NBC news on April 21, 2021.

Where are the rational well reasoned progressive viewpoints? Maybe you are used to the extremes. Between Two Worlds is taking on current events by intentionally presenting two sides of the issue. "The Progressive Voice" is our calm, collected, and respectful look at the progressive viewpoint of issues impacting the US and Europe.

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Woke Police Invade Schools in Search of Boys Who MisGender. Title Nine Investigations that are being misused even in deep red counties.

This article comes from the Wall Street Journal titled "The Pronoun Police Police Come for Middle Schoolers" by Rick Essenberg and Luke Berg May 24, 2022.

Where are the rational well reasoned conservative viewpoints? Maybe you are used to the extremes. Between Two Worlds is taking on current events by intentionally presenting two sides of the issue. "The Conservative Voice" is our calm, collected, and respectful look at the conservative viewpoint of issues impacting the US and Europe.

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The Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade is a huge hit to human rights. Gay marriage, gay partnerships, and contraception could be next. This is not the end of what the conservative court is planning to do. But none of this is new. There has been a steady progression in American conservatism toward fascism. Maybe it's not the fascism you read about in Nazi Germany, but it certainly has the marks of what fascism actually is-- eroding government institutions so one party can fully take over. Destroying public trust in the electoral process. Making it illegal to protest. If you aren't worried, maybe you should be...

For further reading:

Justice Thomas: SCOTUS ‘should reconsider’ contraception, same-sex marriage rulings

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256

America is Now in Facism's Legal Phase

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/america-fascism-legal-phase

Supreme Court to take on Controversial Election Law Case

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/1106866830/supreme-court-to-take-on-controversial-election-law-case

G.O.P. Bills Target Protesters (and Absolve Motorists Who Hit Them)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/us/politics/republican-anti-protest-laws.html

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Gender Inclusive Language Hurts Women. Trans rights often comes at the expense of women's rights. When did the word "woman" become a dirty word? There is a new push to have gender inclusive language in the medical community, such as calling mothers "birthing people" and breast cancer "chest cancer". Is this move toward political correctness actually causing harm to women who now can't talk about their specific issues? These questions and more are explored in this episode of "The Conservative Voice."

This is a commentary by Patricia Posner published in the Wall Street Journal on May 10, 2020. Posner is author most recently of "The Pharmacist of Auschwitz: The Untold Story."

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Conservatives have been hijacked by the issue of abortion. Since the late 1970s, this issue has been used to mobilize conservative voters, particularly evangelicals. These well-meaning people don't even know they are being manipulated.

This is a response to The Conservative Voice episode titled "Europe's Abortion Lesson". That episode was a reading of the article by the same name written on May 8, 2022 by the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board. The article explains how democracies in Europe settled the abortion debate, not judicial fiat.

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Scott's Youngest Brother. Gender Roles in Marriage. Complementarianism. And a Truly Christian Wedding. Ben Trout and his fiancée Lexi Wellings join Scott Trout in the last few days of their single life. Catching them right before they got married, Scott interviews these two young lovers on how they met, how God was the centerpiece of their relationship, and how they decided to include a sword in their wedding ceremony.

Swords are pretty outdated and some may argue, so are Ben and Lexi's views of the man and woman's roles in their marriage with the man as the leader and the woman as the helpmate. Find out why they reinforced those beliefs in their wedding, and let us know if you see if differently.

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"Europe's Abortion Lesson" written on May 8, 2020 by the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board that explains how democracies in Europe settled the abortion debate, not judicial fiat.

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We are taking a dip into politics and current events! Through two spin off series called "The Conservative Voice" and "The Liberal Comeback." In true B2W fashion, we are trying to tackle certain current issues by presenting both sides of the issue and specifically how it impacts the individuals who care about it. We want to explore why someone believes what they belief and what that says about who they are.

One of the biggest issues contributing to the polarization of society is the lack of knowledge of what the other side has to say. Without this knowledge you can easily believe a straw man stereotype about the other and thus disregard them. We are trying to change that.

Here at B2W we are seeking to understand, not be understood.

We are starting with:

The Abortion debate in the US and Europe
Women and how we talk about their bodies
And the push to have inclusive language in the medical community

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Our recent trip back to the US: Two Weddings. Two States. Three Churches. Good family time. And a whole lot of parking lots.

Upcoming Episodes:

We are taking a look at marriage in some upcoming episodes including Scott's little brother Ben, the ceremony he and his fiancee had put together, and why they believe in gender roles in marriage.
Also Scott and Briana share about some of the most vulnerable times in their marriage.
And hopefully an interview with a European couple as to why marriage is irrelevant in their relationship.

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Celibate Christian, Catholic Historian, and Leader in an Opus Dei Residence in Amsterdam, Paul Graas jumps back on to talk about all the Catholic controversies that Scott and his Protestant friends could think of. They went into the Pope, Purgatory, Praying to Saints, Praying to Mary, Political corruption in the Church's history, and sexual abuse by priests. Paul also takes time to share what he thinks non Christians are missing out by not believing in God, namely that they can't live life with a sense of humor. Find out more and listen!

Paul's Part One: Listen to Paul's first episode to find out how he heard from God to live a celibate life and how it was the most fulfilling choice he could have made. Paul has a unique ability to articulate Catholic doctrine in ways that Protestants can relate to. He is also a published author, a co-host on the Dutch podcast Goed, Beter, Best, and an expert on character formation and spirituality, especially on topics concerning the digital world, like social media, porn, screens, etc.

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Questions for the Community:

Do you think there is a link between a vow of celibacy and the abuses of the Catholic Church by priests?
What questions about Catholicism do you still have for Paul?
What is an area where your views have changed based on what Paul has shared?

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Celibate Christian, Catholic Historian, and Leader in an Opus Dei Residence in Amsterdam, Paul Graas join Scott on the podcast to discuss Catholicism and his journey of discovering his personal vocation to join Opus Dei and live a life of celibacy. He has a Spanish mom and a Dutch dad with six siblings. He grew up in a Calvinist primary school in the Bible Belt of the Netherlands, then Catholic high school in the southern tip of Spain, in a town where spaghetti westerns were filmed, then back to the Netherlands for his university days. He operates often in between the two Catholic and Protestant worlds. This gives Paul a unique ability to articulate Catholic doctrine in ways that Protestants can relate to. He is also a published author, a co-host on the Dutch podcast Goed, Beter, Best, and an expert on character formation and spirituality, especially on topics concerning the digital world, like social media, porn, screens, etc.

Paul's Personal Vocation: Paul got a personal call from when he was 16 to truly give his life to God. He calls it his personal vocation to join the Catholic order called Opus Dei. But what it involved was living a life of celibacy. He confronts the feeling that celibacy is a curse Christians put on other people whose sexuality is not condoned in the Bible. His story shows that celibacy is a gift God can give to some and that the brothers he lives with in Opus Dei bring him fulfillment.

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In Paul's Part Two Paul has some hard-hitting things to say for Protestants and for non-Christians. You will come away from these episodes feeling challenged and curious about just how wrong your Catholic stereotypes were.

Questions for the Community:

What stereotypes do you have of Catholicism?
Do you feel like Celibacy is a gift or a curse?
What does someone need romantically to live a fulfilled life?

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Check out the teaser for our upcoming guest, Paul Graas.

We also got into the different beliefs between Catholics and Protestants based on many of the questions you all sent in. Let us know what you think!

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The Exercise that Helped Scott Find His Life Purpose. A B2W Discussion Night featuring Holistic Coach Pavanne Veltman leading us in a guided meditation. This is the first time we have done an experience altogether for one of our discussion nights. This recording features her full meditation exercise, so we encourage you to not just listen, but let her guide you as well! Don't forget to get a pen and paper to write down what you experience! Let us know if you got insight into your life purpose as a result of this exercise!

Experience a Guided Meditation.
Why Christians are so uncomfortable with meditation.
How Pavanne helps others hear from God
Are there dangers to this kind of meditation?

If you would like to experience more guided meditation led by Pavanne go to her website at https://yourholisticlifereset.ac-page.com/the-bolder-life-circle-2022

B2W Discussion Nights: These Discussion Nights were created during the Covid pandemic in order to bring people of all sorts of spiritual views together to have a discussion online. It featured people from all over the world, and viewpoints all over the spectrum of spiritual beliefs. We met monthly to hear someone's story of belief and then have a discussion based on their ideas.

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A B2W Discussion Night on How Physics and Faith Fit Together with Sarah Ashworth. Sarah is a Theoretical Physicist, Christian Apologist, and Lover of Poetry. Sheis back for a Q and A following her lecture on a her first episode.

Questions Sarah Answers:

When are science and the Christian faith not compatible?
What areas does she personally doubt her faith
How does she read Genesis 1

B2W Discussion Nights: Sarah shared her story in front of a live zoom audience for one of Between Two Worlds' Discussion Nights. This group was created during the Covid pandemic in order to bring people of all sorts of spiritual views together to have a discussion online. It featured people from all over the world, and viewpoints all over the spectrum of spiritual beliefs. We met monthly to hear someone's story of belief and then have a discussion based on their ideas.

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A B2W Discussion Night on How Physics and Faith Fit Together with Sarah Ashworth. Sarah is a Theoretical Physicist, Christian Apologist, and Lover of Poetry. Sheshares why she believes science and faith complement each other versus being at odds. She poses the question that maybe science and faith are seeking to answer different questions. Science is here to show how the world works, but cannot help us understand WHY we are here. Sarah shares from a place of passion concerning both and adds a nuanced voice to a much needed discussion.

Sarah's Questions:

On what should we base our worldviews? How do you think they should be tested?
How do you feel that science and faith interact? How do you think they can challenge or complement each other?
How far do you think science can go in making statements of meaning?

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Scott takes some time to explain what is going to happen at the upcoming Navigator Spring Retreat from March 4-6. This weekend students from cities all over the Netherlands and more specifically from countries all over the world will be gathering in Oosterhout, Netherlands for a weekend retreat. What actually happens at these retreats? Goat Sacrifice? Guess you will have to listen to find out, and maybe...just maybe... you will have to come to the next one to REALLY find out.

Let us know what you think of retreats like these, if it is similar to your spiritual journey or something altogether new. Welcome to a behind the scenes look at a Christian retreat.

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Gender Roles in Islam. Kuwaiti Muslim, Tik Tok Explosion, and World Traveler Ali Al Mulla is back with Scott Trout to talk about gender roles in Islam. They also talked about the difference between a relationship with God and rules based religion. Scott challenges Ali that his motivation for coming to Allah is based in fear. Ali wonders if that is not a bad thing.

Other Topics:

How to pray with honesty to God.
How women are not allowed in mosques with the men.
What Ali thinks of American girls.

Questions for the Community:

How do you react to Ali's opinions about his future spouse being an asset not a liability?
What advice would you give Ali in his spiritual journey?
Is it possible to believe in God without fear in the picture?

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Muslim, Tik Tok Explosion, and World Traveler Ali Al Mulla is back to interview Scott. Scott shares about his faith from childhood, to the dip he went through in college and what pulled him out. Scott's story is often about the mentors who have shown him the way by modeling what a relationship with God could look like. Ali reflects on how he doesn't see people who are crazy in love with God and positive all the time in Islam as he did in Scott's Navigator ministry at Oregon State. He got a full glimpse of their community and their beliefs during a spring break trip to work at a camp in California.

Other Topics:

Is it possible to be a devout believer without being overly religious?

How Ali would like to incorporate aspects of Christianity into his faith.

And Scott's reflection on what he likes about being a dad. Including the amazing moments of Naomi's little life. Being a dad is fun and incredibly responsible. You are shaping this little life day by day. To create the environment where she can flourish and to instill a sense of morality. All this makes reflect on God as our Father.

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Finding a Personal Relationship with Allah. Kuwaiti Muslim, Tik Tok Explosion, and World Traveler Ali Al Mulla jumps on with Scott Trout to discuss his faith in Islam and what it means to him. He longs to find his own connection with Allah versus doing all the things other people expect from him. Yet he still desires to be a "good muslim." He is caught in the cross fire between religion and relationship.

Other Topics:

What it was like growing up as a Muslim in Kuwait.

Ali's time as a student in the US including joining a fraternity and later Scott's Navigator ministry.

The Five Pillars of Islam and which ones are the most important.

Questions for the Community:

What do you think the differences between Islam and Christianity are?
What Pillar of Islam do you think is the most important?
Why are men and women separated in the mosque?

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Scott took some time after putting Naomi down to sleep to reflect back on his conversations with Saudamini. Her episodes left him with some questions for Hindu Millennials (people who are in their late 20's and early 30's who consider themselves Hindu).

What practices in Hinduism do you actually believe in? What does it mean to be Hindu if there are so many different gods in India based on which part of the country you live in? If I were to convert to Hinduism, what would I need to believe?

Is there anyone Scott's age, who is actually practicing Hinduism, or is it just a bunch of yoga spiritual white people who know all the Sanskrit names for yoga positions?

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An Indian Woman's Perspective on Feminism and Religion. Saudamini Tambay is back to discuss her beliefs on feminism and marriage. They unpack what it is like to date someone of another religious background and the pressure to marry from traditional societies. Check out our poll below!

Other Topics:

Saudamini gives Scott advice on how to raise a girl, including an un-scary definition of feminism: simply treating men and women equally. Which is not what she experienced growing up in India outside her own family.

Scott tries to convince Saudamini why the wedding is actually important, by describing the inauguration of Joe Biden and the rides at Disney Land that you can't get off of without significant harm. His point is you need that public proclamation to herald a new relationship and those rides are actually more fulfilling because they are not easy to exit.

Questions for the Community:

How have you experienced different gender roles?
Do you feel there is an unfair difference in how men and women are treated in your society?
What advice would you give Scott for parenting his daughter?

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Original Release: 3/19/21

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Can You Trust Your Magnets? Saudamini Tambay is back to talk about how religion can often impact our closest relationships. She opens up about her mom's history with Muslims growing up in Northern India and the bad blood that can create life-long notions of the "other." She is not alone in this, and Saudamini and Scott unpack how best to bring humanity back to those stereotypes.

Other Topics Discussed:

-Saudamini's thought on the pressure Christians put on God, as opposed to taking responsibility for your own moral choices, and how Saudamini looks to her therapist, friends, and yoga for sense of grounded-ness not a god.

-The magnet style of finding truth. Scott's thought on the danger of building your sense of self and truth from multiple sources (or magnets in this case) and how Christianity isn't just a narrative worth following. It's a relationship. Akin to Scott's relationship with his wife.

Questions for the Community:

Who is in your circle of magnets? How do you know that they trustworthy?
If religion is the willingness to surrender to something greater than you, what do you surrender to?
How would you counter a post modern view of truth claims?

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Original Release: 3/19/21

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The Power of Stories with Amsterdam Designer Saudamini Tambay. Saudamini is a designer based in Amsterdam who grew up all over India embracing all religions, from a Catholic school to Hindu traditions at home to being in a relationship with someone from a Muslim background. She believes that we are all trying to tell the same story but in different ways.

In this episode with Scott, she explores being raised in India yet living out a western experience of the world. She shares how the stories from Indian mythology stuck with her and how they could inform someone's view of the world. Scott and Saudamini unpack how stories can lead to action through the role models in the story but what remains unclear is how that leads to worship and a religion.

Other Topics Discussed:

Saudamini's upbringing in India that felt very Westernized with the freedom to be who you want to be. She identifies as a Hindu, but doesn't do much with the Hindu faith. Dating a Muslim man and pushback from Indian parents (39 min). The pressure not to convert to a different religion from parents and society and skepticism within Indian society of other religions.

The Power of Stories: Scott and Saudamini unpack the stories they remember from their childhood. The story of Ram and Sita. And the story of David and Goliath. How modern interpretations change the way we hear these stories. And what it is like to hear these potentially patriarchal stories as a woman (32min)?

How arranged marriages work and how it's different in middle class India.

Scott on why he believes in a higher power. Person to look toward to help us better ourselves. Faith gives us the ability to understand humanity, life, ourselves, and how to act rightly. Finding self compassion in the eyes of a Creator.

Questions for the Community:

-What stories were you told as a child and how did that impact your view of the world?

-Should we still keep the traditions and narratives of religions in a secular society?

-Who would you be if you didn't have the concept of God?

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Original Release: 3/5/21

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This is mostly for Mike Johnson, but I am sure a lot of you are in the same boat. You are like why for the past six months has Scott only re-released old episodes... good question. I try to answer that here. Doing a bit of cleaning everyone. Bare with me. New content is coming!

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Welcome to a Trout Family Christmas Special!

This is an audio production of "If You Are Missing Baby Jesus" by Jean Gietzen. My family and I used to make these Christmas recordings when we were little. My mom would pick a Christmas story for us to read and then assign us different parts in the story, whether it was playing the piano, repeating lines after she said them, or just wishing people Merry Christmas at the end. For us as a family, this tradition helped us remember that Christmas is not just about us getting presents, but it's about Jesus's birth. My parents would send these recordings on cassette tapes to friends and family all over the US every year. As we got older, we stopped doing the recordings, so I thought it was about time we brought it back.

You are in for a treat.

The whole Trout family got together to sing a song at the end,
My mom shares how this whole tradition started and what it meant to us as a family,
Briana and I teamed up with my cousin, Patricia, and her family here in the Netherlands for the speaking roles.

I hope this story reminds you of the meaning behind Christmas and how this can be a time to serve others not just receive presents.

Cast:

Narrator--Scott Trout

Mother-- Patricia Van Engelen

Father--- Matthijs Van Engelen

Older Daughter-- Carlijn Van Engelen (age 7)

Younger Daughter-- Ella Van Engelen (age 5)

Other Mother-- Briana Trout

Crying Child--- Naomi Trout (age 1)

Song Credits:

Mandolin and Lead Vocals-- Eva Trout

Other Singers-- Brian Trout; Connie Trout; Casey Trout; Ben Trout; Nate Trout; Trevor Trout; Katie Trout

Closing Remarks-- Liliana Trout (age 3) and James Trout (age 2)

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Hadeel and Scott are back for a third episode, and this time she turns the question onto Scott. "So where are you in regards to women in the church....". Insert -gulp- here. Scott goes into some of the tension he lives in as a Christian in a 21st century context where talk of gender roles and submission can potentially feel like a hate crime. At the same time, he wrestles with the tension of how the Bible describes a gendered world and outlines roles for men and women. This was not an easy conversation; mainly, because of the discomfort with a post modern narrative that a "straight, white, male" like Scott should not have any say in what women can or cannot do.

So what is God's design for men and women? Can God be trusted if he has different roles for them in the church and in relationships? Or is this all one big rouse from the patriarchy?

Topics Discussed:

The barriers, outright and subconscious, that have existed toward women in leadership in Christianity, and how the Bible doesn't make this super easy for our 21st century ears.
Egalitarianism and Complementarianism (the two major schools of thought concerning gender roles in Christianity).
The observation that God made a "gendered" world in Genesis. Living in that tension and trying to figure out why God did what He did.
How "straight white males" always ruin a good story. And how it's easy to bristle at the word submission. Yet Hadeel shares how it is easier to submit to a man who is submitted to Christ.
How Christianity is all about submission. The wife is responsible to how she reacts to her husband, and the husband is responsible for how he gives his life for his family. When that mutual submission is there, the marriage flourishes.
How do we atone for the sins of the past and still live in confidence in the present. Be conscious of peoples' triggers, while still holding to truth.

And Hadeel's Last Words:

For Christians: Get comfortable being uncomfortable. Lets talk about these things. Stay curious when you have a "don't want to talk about that" reaction. Lovingly call each other out. And trust that the Holy Spirit will guide you.
For Non Christians: Engage with your Christian friends. Is your job to make us uncomfortable and get us out of our bubble.

We should note that the term sex vs gender are used interchangeably in the episode although they don't necessary have the same weight or meaning for some. We are by no means experts on these topics. Just two Christians trying to figure things out.

Questions for the Community:

What is your reaction to the idea of submission?
Why do you think God made a gendered world?
How could the church better empower minority voices within its ranks?

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Hadeel is back with Scott to discuss race and the narratives we live with without even knowing it. Her faith in the Christian God pushes her to engage in the hard conversations and confront the biases she might have. She also calls out the Christian Church to acknowledge its past and be a part of the process of racial reconciliation.

Topics Discussed:

"Professional hair" and how it has racial undertones
Preferences in attraction and when is it ok.
Stereotypes in advertisement. And the narratives we have about other races.
Zwarte Pete in Dutch society. Pilgrims and Native Americans in American society. What is innocent and what is condoning in the traditions we do with our kids.
How we to take care of old wounds. And we need to realize how we have benefitted from the actions of the past.
Respecting the full color palate of God's Kingdom and valuing the worth of each individual.
Hearing out other perspectives while avoiding tokenization.

Questions for the Community:

How do we acknowledge the wrongs of the past without levying a too heavy burden on those who benefit from the past but did not create it?
How will we know if progress is being made toward racial reconciliation?
Do you have an implicit racial bias in who you listen to or surround yourself with?

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Change Management Specialist for an international company, Third Culture Kid, and American in Amsterdam, Hadeel McCall shares about how she can relate to being between two worlds on multiple fronts. Her dad was an American missionary serving in Jordan, and her mom is one of the .1% of Jordanians who are Palestinian Evangelical Christians, so she grew up half Arab in a post 9/11 America. This sensibility has helped her relate to others who lived in that tension too. Who find themselves not fully belonging wherever they live. But she has an answer to that homeless feeling.

Other Topics Discussed:

Scott and Hadeel talk about how they first met each other, including an intense mayor face off in the game Werewolf and standing and pointing at each other at their church in Amsterdam
What it was like to grow up Arab American including the different parenting styles of her parents' cultures. She talks about how they had an arranged marriage and that Christmas was often like my big fat Greek wedding meets sarcastic small town Pacific Northwest family.
The different ways we can feel like an outsider in our own culture.
The "flying the coup moment" for Hadeel with an Arab mother. The fear her mom had of Hadeel moving to Amsterdam and not having a "male covering" to protect her. And how Hadeel argued that if we believe that Jesus is good, he can also be that covering for us.
The white water outdoor summer camp that broke Hadeel and made her take more ownership of her faith in God and ultimately addressed her longing to belong.
The frustration of being a woman in Christianity and wondering why the Bible only addresses men. Wondering if she is valued in Christian culture if she is not married. And the danger of putting her faith in her career and trying to never be dependent on others.
The positive side of Covid in that it forced us to slow down, not make so many plans, and actualy deepen your connections with the people and place where you live
Response vs Reacting: being intentional about taking our first raw thoughts to God and a trusted few. Being a non-anxious presence in an anxious world.

Questions for the Community:

Will we carry the resting rhythms and deep connections post Covid?
How do you experience the difference between responding and reacting in life?
How do you address that feeling of not fully belonging?

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In this ScoTho, Scott unpacks his impressions of the book The Handmaid's Tale. Specifically in how it confronted his Christian faith and made him wonder if the Christianity in the book that became the basis for an oppressive, patriarchal theocracy is a true byproduct of the Christian faith he believes in or a twisted version of it. The book is confronting as you see a conservative Christian overtaking of America and the regressive government they put in place often using Biblical ideas to back up their policies. Many argue that Christianity is indeed patriarchal and has been used throughout history to put women in a subservient position to men, thus this book seems like an appropriate conversation starter the merits and implications of the Christian faith applied to society.

If you have read The Handmaid's Tale, let us know your thoughts. What did Scott miss and what did he get right in his analysis of the Christianity found in the book vs the Christianity he believes in.

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Is it ok to have guns or not? Australian Improv Teacher, Ashley Moore discusses with Scott why it's so hard to confront our core beliefs. He asks why Scott repeatedly signs up for people to challenge his beliefs on his podcast.

They also shared some of their political beliefs and how their spirituality might impact them. Lastly, they addressed child raising, as Ashley has a five year old boy, Scott has a 10 month old daughter, and spirituality really becomes tricky once you try to pass it on to your child.

Other Topics Discussed:

Guns in America versus Australia.
Ashley's parenting style. Including trying to say no as little as possible.
The balance between listening to others' spirituality while not pretending like all beliefs co-exist coherently.
Scott's personal reasons for believing in Christianity.

Questions for the Community:

How would you pass on your beliefs to your child?
What is an instance where your core beliefs were confronted?
What would you challenge Ashley with in his beliefs?

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The Spirituality of Improv Theater. Australian Improv Teacher, Ashley Moore jumps back on with Scott to dig into their common passion: Improv theater. What makes improv so enticing? How it is sort of like modern day magic. How it can it help people let go of their anxieties, their ego, their insecurities and find trust instead. They talk about how the key to improv is to stop editing yourself and let go. Trust yourself, trust your partner, trust that if you take a risk you won't self destruct.

Other Topics Discussed:

How Ashley believed in vampires at one time because of the goths he hung around.
Self editing in improv and how it happens in real life. How saying no is a way to keep ourselves safe.
How Scott tries to bring the philosophy of improv to his podcast, by not editing, not scripting, and trusting that if he is listening well the conversation will go well.

Questions for the Community:

Have you ever done improv? If so, how did it impact you?
Do you struggle with self editing?
What do you do to empty your conscious self?

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Leaving His Christian Faith Behind. Australian, Atheist, and Scott's Improv Teacher in Amsterdam, Ashley Moore joins the podcast to talk about his spiritual journey out of Christianity.

Ashley's Story:

Ashley describes how he grew up in a devout Catholic background, including Catholic primary and secondary school. He is the type of person who wants to be all in when he believes something. He also wants to know fully what it is he believes not just the morals he is told to obey. This lead him to look into his faith and ultimately start to question it. Not all at once but gradually overtime the gaps in the narrative and the desire to look into all religions, not just Christianity, lead him to decide he did not prescribe to any religion. Yet he finds himself still drawn to religious ideologies. He is always curious why people believe what they believe and how they came to that conclusion.

Other Topics Discussed:

The spirituality of rock climbing and improv and how Ashley uses them to get rid of his ego.
The moments in Scott's life that lead him to believe there is in fact a God, including his wife's back being healed and him not dying on a mountain.
Who is Jesus according to Ashley if he isn't the son of God?

Questions for the Community:

What has been one of your most spiritual moment?
Do you see inconsistencies in the Biblical worldview?
Which would you prefer to do improv or rock climbing in order to find your flow?

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In this Scott's Thought, Scott talks about their trip to the US for the month of July and how the Between Two Worlds Podcast turned one year old while they were there. He also discussed his need for a Sabbath from the podcast and all the American things they got to do while back home. Listen to the end to find out which episodes are leading the pack in most listens as B2W looks forward to its second year and reaching even more listeners than just Scott's mom in Colorado:)

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Joey put down his school work and his anime to jump back on with Scott to talk about what he has learned thus far from Between Two Worlds. He shares some of his favorite moments and his piece of advice for all you listeners.

Also we have our first feedback episode coming up off of Casey Trout's two episodes. They were spicy and peoples comments have started to come in. If you would like your question or feedback featured on the episode reach out to us on Facebook or Instagram or text Scott if you have his number....

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Original Release: 2/26/21

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Why did Casey join the Orthodox faith? Does he condone polyamory? All this and more on Casey's feedback episode from the earlier episode entitled "Out of the Ashes of Protestantism."

Casey seeks to make people think and defend their conclusions. He is simply sharing the things that made him uncomfortable in his spiritual journey and how that pushed him to find new answers. If his thoughts tend to provoke, he encourages the pushback.

Listener's Pushback:

Orthodox Christians don't think for themselves. They look to the interpretation of the church.
What place does personal faith have in Orthodoxy?
Often young believers in an orthodox faith know the church traditions, know the history, but can't articulate what the gospel is.
What is Casey's definition of sin?
Things in Orthodoxy that Casey doesn't like? Praying to saints? Deification of Mary?

Casey's reasons for joining orthodoxy:

Credibility- How do I figure out which interpretations of the Bible are true? Orthodoxy has legitimacy that Protestant churches can't claim because they can trace their pastoral lineage back to people who knew Jesus himself.
Finding Answers to Hard Questions- Casey described the frustration of going to people he is supposed to trust for his spiritual questions and finding multiple different interpretations. He says the Protestant world doesn't have a way to determine beliefs as heresy, whereas Orthodoxy does.
The Church- Need to have a personal relationship with Christ AND a personal relationship with the Church his body. To provide you with all the things you need for your experience of life with Christ. Namely the sacraments.
The Sacraments- Protestant church, didn't provide confession in a way that Casey thought was meaningful. As well as the structure around Communion, Fasting as a Church on the Church calendar, and structure for worship.
Pray- The Protestant mind links prayer to worship. But Casey believes prayer is just talking to God. So you can "talk" to the saints as well and ask them for wisdom or guidance in the areas where that saint was saintly. Orthodoxy doesn't see a separation between the living and the dead. We are all in this together and helping each other run the race of life.

Other Topics:

God's Law vs Natural Law- Things that make you flourish in the natural world. Certain sexual desires might be fine in the natural law category, but God's law decrees against to know that we are obeying him. Such as circumcision. (Christians often want a neat natural reason for God's laws).
Polyamory- Does Casey condone polyamory?
God's Design For Sexual Desires- the functional and symbolic role of marriage. How every man has polyamorous tendencies. Just cause you have desires doesn't mean you get to indulge them. It is important to find your deeper yes to combat the natural desires in you.

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Original Release: 5/2/21

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Scott’s Protestant turned Orthodox Brother Casey is back with a fiery second episode. Scott gets a little triggered, and so will you as Casey pokes holes in many Protestant Christians' view of the world.

Including a unique definition of sin that goes beyond just "doing un Christian like things,"
an examination of the shortcomings of Protestantism,
and a challenge to some of the pieces that might be missing from your faith.

A Unique Definition of Sin:

Casey walks through his journey of faith within Christianity, starting with the personal sense of faith and devotion he saw in his parents, to starting to make his own discoveries about God and how to interact with him. Then came that necessary period in any Christ followers life, the decision to forsake the pleasures of this world in order to fully follow Christ. This is not an easy decision and Casey does not pretend it to be. As Casey looks back on his life, he doesn't regret his actions, but rather the fact that he was professing to live one way and yet acting differently. Thus Casey presents a unique definition of sin: inauthenticity. Living as if you are devoted to God, yet secretly giving your life over to other pursuits. He says it would be better to renounce your faith than to live doublemindedly. This is what the Bible talks about "counting the cost" of following Jesus and how strongly it speaks against "lukewarm" Christians.

Orthodox vs Protestant:

Casey then goes into what eventually led him away from the Protestant church he grew up in. Scott tries desperately to describe to Joey what all the Christian terms means. Joey doesn't really care.

It came down to a matter of accountability from the pulpit and how a Christian can know if what is being preached is true or not.

Casey asks the question, "how do I know if my interpretation of the Bible is correct, or if what my pastor's interpretation is correct?" What happens when your personal beliefs contradict your pastors? And what accountability do new protestant churches have to what they are preaching. Casey ultimately sees the orthodox faith as the closest link we have to the early Christian church. Unlike Catholicism, which put the power to hear from God and dictate what is heresy and what is not in the power of one man (the pope), orthodoxy has been governed by councils throughout the ages.

Questions for the Community:

Protestants, what push back would you give to Casey's criticisms?
Christians, is the fragmentation of denominations in the Christian faith a sign that the Church is falling apart or that the Church is healthy in view of how much diversity exists within it? How do you know if your denomination is correct?
Non Christians, how does Casey's views shape your understanding of Christianity?

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Original Release Date: 2/12/21

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Another ScoTho! This one tackles the question what does it mean to be "spiritual". And it's written specifically to those who say they "are not spiritual."

I set out to argue that everyone is in fact spiritual whether they want to admit it or not.

Let me know what you think. Follow us on Instagram @betweentwoworldspodcast and share your comments!

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Find Out What Scott's Brother Casey Has to Say to Secular Humanist. Casey Trout is back after listeners sent in all sorts of feedback. In this episode Scott and Casey revisit his argument that equality under the law for race, sex, and class is a Christian miracle. Casey comes with a host of research and some quotes of the major movers in the cause for equality, and Scott uses the feedback he had received to pushback.

If you haven't had a chance to listen to the original episode, here it is: Equality Under the Law is a Christian Miracle: Casey Part 1

Other Topics Discussed:

The beauty of being able to pushback and not be afraid of losing the relaticASonship.

The importance of furthering the discussion by following up and not just sitting on our assumptions of the other's perspective.

Pushback on Casey's argument that Equality Under the Law is a Christian Miracle (*see previous episode).

Casey's argument is an oversimplification.
What is a "Christian nation?" Significant progress toward equality came as nations became more secular and as the shell of Christianity fell away. Christianity had a dampening effect on the march toward progress. The scale of Christianity is weighted toward Christians who used their religion for political power and oppression.
Equality under the law is a multi-faceted progress, of which Christianity is only one factor. It is one only thread in the tapestry that contributed. You might be able to show correlation between Christianity and progress, but not causation.

Casey's Responses:

Produce a culture that has produced equality in race, sex, and class that is not Christian or has Christian roots.
Look at the cultural centers of the other religions. Where would you rather be a woman: India, Saudi Arabia, or in The Netherlands. Where do we see the greatest levels equality in the world? Overwhelmingly in nations that were seeped in Christianity.
The prime movers in the causes of equality were always Christians. You have to tear down the evidence that these thinkers were inspired by Christianity, and what actually did move the stone toward equality.
All the human institutions in history have blocked the progress of equality. Christian institutions are no different. That just proves that humans are hypocritical. It is only Christians who have done something different than human nature. It was the Christian God who inspired them. How would you explain why human nature changed all of a sudden from an alien anthropologists perspective.

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Original Release: 4/23/21

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Deep Thinker, Illustrator-Sculptor, and Scott’s brother, Casey Trout, talks about the three pillars that hold up his Christian faith.

Pillar One: the transformation Casey has experienced as a result of his faith.

Pillar Two: the transformation he has witnessed in others lives as a result of following the teachings of Jesus.

And Pillar Three: the fact that western civilization values, such as a bill of rights and the concept of equality only come from a Christian worldview.

Which is where Casey concludes that equality under the law is a Christian miracle.

Other topics discussed:

-The definition of a miracle.

-Evidence that is personal and evidence that is verifiable and accessible to everyone.

-Thought pedigree throughout the ages and how to trace the genesis of an idea.

-Two divergent enlightenments- the European one that stemmed from an atheist worldview and the American one which stemmed from a Christian worldview.

-And how Joey and anyone listening to this needs to do a lot more research into how the western world came to be.

Questions for the Community:

-Where do you think the concept of equality comes from?

-If it comes from Christianity, what would that mean for your life?

-On whose shoulders do you build your beliefs?

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Behind the Scenes:

What is Between Two Worlds all about? Obviously its a podcast about belief, un-belief, and everything in between. But what exactly does that mean.

Host Scott Trout takes us into behind the scenes of where the name Between Two Worlds came from and what the podcast is all about.

Our Story:

It all got started back in the beginning of the Corona lockdown when Scott was feeling "quarantine crazy" and decided to make a podcast with that old microphone his wife had bought him two years earlier, but first he needed a partner in crime. That's where Joey, an agnostic who is down to talk about anything, came onto the scene. Scott and Joey had just finished an improv class together from EasyLaughs in Amsterdam. After each class they and their improv buddies would go out for beers and talk about literally everything. Scott, a Christian who works with international students in Amsterdam, started to feel this tension that in a world of so much polarization, these kind of conversations only happen with people who think like you. Christians only talk with Christians. Atheists only talk with atheists. and so on. There is very little respectful yet challenging dialogue. Might be oversimplified, but feels overwhelmingly true. So they came up with the idea of interviewing people's stories of faith on the podcast and then debating the topics that come up from their story.

Our Objectives:

-To give space for people to share their stories of faith, their beliefs, and how they live it out.
-To give space for differing ideas to go back and forth so better ideas emerge.
-To interview the people who have influenced my beliefs.
-To better articulate what I believe against the backdrop of someone else's thoughts and experiences.
-To bridge the gap between differing worlds, Christian and non- Christian, to promote greater understanding and dialogue.

Season Two Preview:

We have a lot of exciting content to come.
-Scott's brother Casey is on the podcast describing how all Western values, like equality under the law, can only come from Christianity.
-Scott's cousin is on, defending Mormonism after a comment Scott made in an episode with James.
-Scott's improv friend Saudamini is on to talk about feminism in a Hindu worldview.
-And Scott's friend Matt is on to poke holes in Joey's arguments.
-And so much more....
Huge Shoutout to our guests thus far. You have really made this something special. Can't wait to keep going and for you all to keep listening.

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Scott takes some time to record some of his thoughts that have come up as a result of doing this podcast?

This first one is a challenge to any of his listeners. Are you willing to be challenged? Are you willing to hear out an opposing perspective?

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Have you ever wondered why it’s so hard to have conversations about spirituality, to ask someone what they believe, or about their religious background? I have. My name is Scott Trout. I’m the host of the Between Two Worlds podcast and I’m trying to solve that problem one episode at a time. Here people’s stories of faith are heard, their stories are discussed, and hopefully the dialogue between those who don’t see eye to eye gets a lot bigger.

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Welcome to the Between Two Worlds Podcast.

Where we interview normal people about their stories of faith..... or lack thereof.

Come journey with us. Listening to stories of belief hopefully different than your own.

And if you stick around long enough...

Your beliefs just might change.

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Critical Thinker and Atheist, Sterre Mense, is back with his last installment of his interview with Scott and Joey. In this one, he turns the focus onto Scott and the biases that can exist in conversations about religion. Specifically he confronts Scott with the idea of "proportionality bias," which is the process by which someone experiences and extraordinary circumstances and thus concludes there must be an extraordinary explanation. Put another way, people often believe in God after some sort of "supernatural" experience. For Sterre, this is a bias that points to humans desire to have an explanation for everything that happens. Even the unexplainable.

Questions for the Community:

What do you think about this bias?
If you are religious and believe in a god, what lead you to that belief?
What is the way to decrease your reliance on biases to justify your beliefs?

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Critical thinker Sterre Mense is back with Scott and Joey to discuss the way he seeks to live his life in the absence of some overriding religious ideology. What he is currently working with is the practice of Radical Honesty. Radical Honesty is a way of life that requires its practitioners to move beyond the daily self-censorship we humans partake in to stay "nice." Instead, it asks you to take full responsibility of your emotions and the story you are creating in your head about the circumstances around you, as opposed to making other people the cause of your pain. From there it teaches you how to live fully honest with yourself and with others. Sterre and former guest Kristina are both practitioners and have found the practice extremely helpful in their day to day lives.

Other Topics Discussed:

-Sterre helps Joey apply Radical Honesty principles to his life.
Joey's patterns of trying to help others.
-Why conversations like these are so rare in modern discourse.

Questions for the Community:

How could the practice of Radical Honesty aid you in your life?
Could Radical Honesty fit in a Christian worldview?
In what way have you been avoiding responsibility for your responses in life?

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Sterre Mense is a critical thinker, a skeptic of religiosity, and the boyfriend of our former guest, Kristina. He joins Scott and Joey to discuss some of his feedback from their previous episodes, which led to a discussion of some of his pet peeves revolving around how people talk about spirituality.

Things such as:

Spirituality as a means of relinquishing responsibility for your life to a deity.
Agnostics who say the universe is so big that there must be something out there.
How the thought of this life being all there is makes people depressed.
How unfairness in the universe leading people to want a “god”.
And how the term faith really needs to defined.

Other Topics Discussed:

Joey on making Sterre throw up in his mouth. Sterre on his obsession with optimizing his life. Scott on building a baby room for his baby. The impact of being raised without a religious background. The exhilarating prospect of no afterlife. And how to find your purpose in life in a universe that doesn’t give a F about you.

Questions for the Community:

What would seriously shake or break your belief in God?
If humans are inherently selfish, how do we rise above that?
Why are you here? How do you find your sense of purpose in life?

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Agnostic Pet Peever, Sterre Mense is back in a continuation of his first part with Scott and Joey. In this episode Scott asks them what is the purpose of plants and spins that into a discussion about environmentalism, altruism, and how humans are just as self centered as plants.

Other Topics Discussed:

How Joey would like a nicer conversation and more on Sterre's story
How humans are indeed dominated by their genes, but that there is more to them than plants.
How the quest to save the planet can be quite altruistic at times and lose touch with its pragmatism.

Questions for the Community:

What is your purpose?
Do you think humans are just as self centered as plants only more sophisticated?
Do you believe in human nature? If so, how would you articulate it?

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The Pressures of Parenting and Spirituality. Holistic Lifestyle Coach, Pavanne Veltman, is back for a third episode with Scott and Joey. In this episode, Scott takes us to a new topic. Parenting and how it intermingles with our spiritual beliefs. It's one thing to have an awareness of what your parents did or did not give you growing up, but it's a whole other ballgame when you are now the parent trying to figure out what to do. This is the situation Scott finds himself in and he is seeking Pavanne's advice.

This is the first time Scott announces that they were pregnant on air and it takes place right before their gender reveal party. It is super American, but he couldn't help himself and they found out it was a girl.... ahhhh how precious!

Topics Discussed:

How to raise independent spiritual beings who are able to decide for themselves what they believe in.
How to raise boys from a mother of two. Specifically in making them feel heard.
How Scott is excited no matter what gender their baby is
And how to deeply root your child in a religious tradition while still allowing space for their questions and doubts.

Questions for the Community:

What did your parents teach you about God and religion? Was it positive or negative?
What would you do differently when raising your kids?
Is society missing out on something in their push to move away from organized religion?

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“My mission is to help women achieve their best possible health and to reconnect with their true selves so they can live in their fullest potential.”

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Holistic Lifestyle Coach, Pavanne Veltman, is back with Joey and Scott to talk more how important it is to find a personal connection with God. To get there you might have to push back against the religious framework you have been raised with.

When this episode was recorded Scott didn’t know the gender of their baby. (Spoiler alert, it’s a girl and she could be born at any moment. Aaaah!). Pavanne is a mother of two teenage boys, so the conversation went into parenting and how to raise independent thinkers. As well as Scott’s hopes for his coming baby.

Other Topics Discussed:

-Our sneaky intro where we learned of Pavanne’s acting days at Northwestern University in Chicago and going to school with David Schwimmer and Stephen Colbert.
-Scott getting broken by kindness when Pavanne speaks into his life purpose.
-Relationship with God vs Religion. How the framework of religion and scriptures build our picture of who God is, but it is easy to just play by the rules and miss God within your performance.
-The pros and cons of following a prescribed belief vs sorting it out yourself.

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Weaving Your Own Spiritual Quilt. Holistic Lifestyle Coach, Diet Rebel, Author & Speaker, Pavanne Veltman, joins Scott and Joey to discuss her journey to detox from the religious dogma of her past to finding true spiritual direction from God, himself. She has looked into nearly every major religion, starting with the Catholicism she was raised with, to Buddhism, to New Age meditation, to finally landing on a spiritual quilt of her own design. Scott and Joey know Pavanne from improv. Her sense of play comes out in everything she does.

Topics Discussed:

-Finding that one thing that doesn’t sit well with each major religion.
-The importance of finding a personal connection with the Divine within you.
-The importance of setting intentions before jumping into something.
-And why we need guides to help us along our spiritual journey.

Questions for the Community:

How would you compare all the major religions?
How do you balance the need for individual faith and spiritual guides in your search for God?
Do you think God is a he, she or an it?

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Check out this cool trailer of upcoming guest Pavanne Veltman.

Topics Discussed:

-Finding that one thing that doesn’t sit well with each major religion.
-The importance of finding a personal connection with the Divine within you.
-The importance of setting intentions before jumping into something.
-And why we need guides to help us along our spiritual journey.

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How Should Christians Vote? Sailor James, Scott, and Joey finish out their talk with a discussion of how our spirituality affects our view of politics and voting. We all came to the belief that it is important to vote, but there can be so many factors in how you vote whether it is out of fear of what might happen if the other side wins, or the personality of a leader you like, or the platform of a party that fits with your worldview.

Other Topics Discussed:

The differences between the British, American, and Dutch political systems.
How people are more often single issue voters than they might admit.
How Joey thinks the Netherlands has too many parties, while Scott and James would like a little more legitimate options in their American and British systems.

Questions for the Community:

How does your worldview affect how you vote?
Which are better moral agents to affect change in society, the Government? Businesses? or Consumers?
How much say do we really have to affect change as voters?

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Scott, Joey and their English sailor friend, James, sit down to talk more in depth about the Bible. Where did it come from? Has it been edited over time? Can it be trusted as a historical document? And who is this Jesus fellow anyway?

Other Topics Discussed:

-The difference between the Book of Mormon and the Bible.

-The uniqueness of the Bible as a historical text.

-Why looking into things is important.

Questions for the Community:

-What are your perceptions of the Bible? Do you trust what is written in it?
-How do you know if a religion is man made?
-What is the difference between reading something historically and reading something religiously?

Links Mentioned:

The Bible Project:

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBibleProject

The Case for Christ:

https://www.amazon.nl/dp/0310350034/ref=cm_sw_r_wa_apa_i_chbGFbA4SV02F”

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The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus

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James Smith, a former third officer for commercial shipping vessels, virtual cruise ship crasher and participant in the Navigator community in Amsterdam, shares his reasons for believing in Christianity. He shares how he was raised in a Christian home, but had to come to the moment where he decided to believe for himself. He found his reason for believing by looking into the historical evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

Topics Discussed:

-Difference between solitude and isolation as a spiritual discipline.

-How to follow your faith when you are surrounded by those who think differently than you.

-The resilience needed to weather months at sea.

-And the beauty of faith done in community.

Questions for the Community:

Do you think Jesus existed? If so who was he and what did he claim about himself?
What ways do you put solitude into your life?
Has a cow ever stared into your soul like it stared into James’ soul?

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Fiery ginger, Irina Barsky, is back with a part three. Coming off her first episode, where she described her spiritual rollercoaster of all the religions she has been exposed to in life, Irina turns the attention on Scott and Christians. She wants to know why they are so hypocritical and her points deserve an answer. Scott describes how Christians have a tension they hold in their faith called "grace" and "truth."

Questions for the Community:

What has been your experience with Christians?
If you are a Christian, how do you balance grace and truth?
Which is better, accepting people where they are at or helping them live a better life?

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How to Know You Have Found a Winner with Irina Barsky. Scott, Joey, and Irina are back to discuss dating and relationshipsspecifically how to know if you are dating a winner and what the big deal is with marriage. They represent different ways of seeing the world spiritually, which has an impact on how they see relationships. Scott is coming from the Christian lens, Joey is agnostic and down to date someone who is religious, and Irina has made up her mind to avoid religious people especially when it comes to dating.

Questions for the Community:

How do you know if you have found a winner worth committing your life to?
Is it ok to date someone who believes different things than you?
Do you think marriage is important, why or why not?

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A Real Spiritual Rollercoaster with Irina Barsky. Irina has lived in seven different countries, visited over thirty, and been exposed to nearly every major religion. She is an IT project manager for a major company in Amsterdam, Scott and Joey’s improv classmate, and a feisty ginger with an important story to tell.

Irina's Story:

It is one of how the supernatural intermingles with the world in some unpleasant ways and how to make sense of it. Her dad is Russian/Austrian and her mom is Colombian. They brought an open minded approach to the world that allowed Irina to experience all sorts of beliefs from an early age. From the pews of a Catholic mass, to the revival tent of an evangelist, to the pumpkin black magic test of a Venezuelan witch doctor, to the teachings of a Hindu guru, and even to the rigid home of some Connecticut Christians, Irina has experienced it all and developed some strong opinions about religion along the way. Now she resides in Amsterdam, still prays to “God” because that is what she is used to, and believes more in assertiveness than in any sort of organized religion. Her story is a warning of just how twisted our religious good intentions can become.

Questions for the Community:

-What does the term fundamentalists mean to you?

-Where does one cross the line between extreme devotion to one’s belief and not imposing that devotion on others?

-What do you believe about the paranormal—something in our heads, souls of the unresolved departed, or part of the cosmic battle between light and dark crashing into our human existence?

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Douglas Turner's Story of Sexuality Continues. In this second episode with Douglas, Scott and Joey discussedDouglas’ experience of being attracted to the same sex and being a Christian, including whether or not he can truly be himself within the church not knowing how everyone feels about his sexuality, as well as his experience of true friendship that came from opening up about his story.

Also discussed was baptism and why someone would do it, the nature of faith and how even something like gravity we believe on faith, and sex and when it is at its best. Scott argues that sex is best when it is separated from performance, and that Christianity tries to bring commitment fully into the picture with sex. Lastly, Joey told us about a Russian baby baptism video and how one night stands can get really weird.”

Questions for the Community:

What do you think makes sex the most beautiful possible?
To what extent does sexuality define the identity of a person?
Have you been baptized and what did it mean to you?

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You can find Douglas on instagram: @douglasturner

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Former fashion designer for Tommy Hilfiger, Scott’s co-worker with the Navigators in Amsterdam, and a Brit on a team with six Americans, Douglas Turner, shares his story of same sex attraction and Christianity. His has been a journey of figuring out what defines him: the people around him, the “religion” he was raised in, his sexuality, or his relationship with Jesus; as well as how to find true connection with other people.

Topics Discussed:

-How a desire for social work and a Christian co-worker in the fashion industry opened up Douglas’ eyes to what a relationship with Jesus could look like.

-How that personal relationship was different than his religious upbringing.

-Ways in which we project someone’s sexuality onto them.

-The difference between the “Holy Spirit” and the “Holy Ghost”.

-Douglas’ encounter with Jesus while biking the streets of Amsterdam.

-And how spiritual connection with someone can better than sex.

Questions for the Community:

-What defines you? What is your choosing and what has been projected on you? How do you know the difference?

-What questions would you ask Douglas about his story?

-And repeat question from last episode: Should Joey “walk into” a Christian girl and date her?

Links:

-Follow Douglas on Instagram @douglasturner__

-Follow the Nav work in Amsterdam on Instagram @niamsterdam

-Join the same program that helped Douglas ask questions about the Christian faith: www.alpha.org/try-alpha/

-Join social work programs in Amsterdam, such as Serve the City: www.stcamsterdam.nl

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Today is just a short update by Joey, he was nervous so give him some love.

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Tech wizard, co-host, and soon to be communications savior of the Dutch economy, Joey Vervaart shares his story of faith, which is largely still in progress. Not raised in any sort of religious background, Joey is truly down to talk about anything. He has friends in all sorts of spiritual practices and loves hearing about why they believe what they believe. Though he hasn’t defined what is out there yet, he believes something is, and this podcast is all part of the journey of figuring it out.

On this episode, you will learn about pickup lines only improv can teach you; Joey’s stance on the universe; how death is depressing, Heaven is nice, and Hell is for Hitler and other slugs. We also discussed goddesses throughout time that have captured our attention, how you can know what you believe and what you don’t believe, and lastly about auras and how Joey might be able to see yours.

Questions for the Community: what questions would you ask Joey based on what he shared? Do you think you can believe in a heaven or hell without “God” in the picture? How would you describe the energy between humans and the universe?

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Actor; missionary; and host of the Between Two Worlds podcast, Scott Trout, shares his story of faith, why he came back to Christianity in college, the difficulties of being a Christian and an actor, how his wife (Briana) and him ended up in Amsterdam, what they actually do here, what the future holds for them, and Scott’s final message to the world: being creative actually brings you closer to God. As adults we need more of it, not less.

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Hey everyone and welcome to the first episode of Between Two Worlds, a podcast about belief, unbelief, and everything in between.

In this first episode you will meet the two hosts of the podcast.

Scott Trout the creator and Joey the tech wizard.

Together they make other people's stories of faith, religion, and spirituality come to life.

In this episode Scott and Joey explain to you who they are, how they know each other and also what the podcast is going to be about.

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