In the Shadow of the Evening Trees: Recent Episodes
Jennifer and David von Ebers
We’re back after a brief hiatus, and we’re kicking things off with some firsts!
This week, we share stories from our recent trip to Savannah and Hilton Head—our first time visiting both! We made the journey for a truly special occasion: a surprise birthday party for Jenn’s great aunt (and Godmother) who turned 95!
Back home, we experienced another “first”: a block party on our street! While most of the festivities were in the cul-de-sac at the end of the street, we met 3 couples who are our age with grown kids. We’d never met them in the 4 years we’ve lived here, so that was nice.
We know that the political landscape is still stressful, so we thought we’d take a break from politics and didn’t bring it up once!
You can find the video version of this episode on our YouTube Channel, and please follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave).
We hope you enjoy this episode, and please feel free to leave us a comment below. We would love to hear from you.
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It’s been a busy few weeks, but we’re back after a brief hiatus. This week, we talk about what we’ve been up to lately, including a whirlwind weekend that included a cookout with friends, our second screening of the documentary, Garland Jeffreys: The King of In Between (produced and directed by our dear friend Claire Jeffreys), and a fantastic Sunday day marching in the Chicago Pride Parade with one of our favorite organizations, Lambda Legal.
We also talk about our newfound appreciation for non-alcoholic beer. Not that we’re turning into teetotalers, but a lot of breweries are making excellent non-alcoholic varieties these days. We’re especially fond of Athletic Brewing, which specializes in non-alcoholic beers and cocktails.
Finally, we spend some time talking about the Supreme Court’s disappointing ruling in the Skrmetti case (see Episode 64 for more on the case) and how to protect your mental health during these dangerous times.
You can find the video version of this episode on our YouTube Channel, and please follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave).
We hope you enjoy this episode, and please feel free to leave us a comment below. We would love to hear from you.
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In this week’s episode of In the Shadow of the Evening Trees, we talk about how it’s kinda, sorta, maybe, finally summer in the Chicago area.
We also talk about:
Our oldest daughter’s exciting engagement news!
How we’re loving our backyard pool (finally!)
The ups and downs of living way up north of downtown Chicago
And a bit about Pride Month and why it matters to us
As always, thank you for listening — or watching! You can also listen to the audio of this episode on Apple Podcasts and other podcast platforms. For the video, you can catch the full episode on our YouTube channel and a 15 minute preview on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). We love hearing from you, so feel free to drop us your thoughts or questions in the comments below or DM us on Instagram.
Until next time, stay kind, stay informed, and take care of yourselves.
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In this week’s episode of In the Shadow of the Evening Trees, we cover a little bit of everything—because that’s how life goes!
Jenn shares stories from her recent work trip to San Francisco, while Dave takes a stroll down memory lane to his own high school visit to the Bay Area. With warmer days ahead, we’re opening the pool and prepping for summer—though Dave may not have realized that Jenn’s weekend to-do list was less of a one-off and more of a new tradition (surprise!).
We also dive into a thoughtful conversation about social media: when the people you follow post a lot, is it a harmless outlet or does it sometimes cross a line into stress-inducing territory? We get it—it’s complicated.
As always, thank you for listening (or watching!). You can catch the full episode on our YouTube channel and a 15 minute preview on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). We love hearing from you, so feel free to drop us your thoughts, questions, or weekend list ideas!
Until next time, stay kind, stay informed, and take care of yourselves.
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We’re back after a short break and we hope everyone had a great Mother’s Day.
On this week’s episode, we cover a little bit of everything—from a gala to family legacies, and even a saintly surprise.
We start by recapping the Bon Foster Civil Rights Celebration, an annual fundraising event for Lambda Legal’s Midwest Region, which was held in the stunning Modern Wing of the Art Institute. It was a beautiful evening full of inspiration, community, and action. It’s not too late to support the work Lambda Legal is doing. Please consider donating here!
Then, David shares the story behind his newest tattoo, which is based on the shoulder patch of the US Army’s 66th Infantry Division in World War II, with whom his father fought some 80 years ago. It’s a powerful tribute to service, legacy, and remembrance. If you’re listening to this on our website, images of the patch and the tattoo are set out below:
We round things out with a little unexpected Catholic history… Meet Pope Leo XIV—from the Southside of Chicago. Yes, really. You’ll just have to listen.
We hope you enjoy this episode, and if you don’t have support or you feel alone and alienated by what’s happening in today’s world, you’re always welcome to send us a direct message on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). We are happy to chat with you!
In addition to the audio podcast you can find here, you can watch a video version of this episode (and future episodes!) on our YouTube channel and on Instagram.
Until next time, stay kind, stay informed, and take care of yourselves.
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We’re back with a new episode, and this week we’re diving into a little bit of everything, from our ongoing support of Lambda Legal, to a delicious neighborhood discovery, and yes… some eyebrow-raising political developments.
First up, we’re so excited to share more about our fundraising efforts leading up to the Bon Foster Gala on May 9th. It’s such an important cause, and we’re grateful to everyone who has supported our campaign so far. There’s still time to contribute, and if you’d like to donate to our page, we’d be so thankful! Every bit helps in the fight for LGBTQ+ rights. And for more information on the cases that Lambda is working on, check out their website.
On a lighter note, we recently tried a new restaurant near our house, and, wow, it did not disappoint. We probably never would have found it if not for our local Facebook group, which has turned out to be a surprisingly great resource for everything from food recs to local happenings. If you’re not already in one for your town, we definitely recommend checking it out to see if one exists. It’s a great way to meet new people and stay connected to what’s going on around you, especially if you are new to the area.
Of course, no week goes by without a bit of chaos in the political sphere. We touch on RFK Jr.’s troubling remarks about autism, and the incredibly concerning news that Dr. Oz is now heading Medicare and Medicaid. Yes… really.
It’s hard not to feel overwhelmed sometimes, but talking through it together helps.
We hope you enjoy this episode, and if you don’t have support or you feel alone and alienated by what’s happening in today’s world, you’re always welcome to send us a direct message on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). We are happy to chat with you!
In addition to the audio podcast you can find here, you can watch a video version of this episode (and future episodes!) on our YouTube channel and on Instagram.
Until next time, stay kind, stay informed, and take care of yourselves.
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We begin this week’s episode with a reminder that we are raising money for Lambda Legal’s critical work in defending the rights of LGBTQIA+ people and people living with HIV. As Lambda Legal’s CEO Kevin Jennings often says, this is our “What did you do during the War” moment, and we hope everyone rises to the occasion.
For more information on Lambda Legal’s work and their recent successes against the Trump administration’s assault on the rule of law, check out their website. If you’d like to help, you can buy tickets to the Bon Foster Civil Rights Celebration here, or donate any amount on our fundraising page.
We then turn to the main topic of this week’s episode, which is parenthood. Specifically, we talk about understanding the assignment, as the kids say — which is to support your children and love them unconditionally no matter who they are or what they do. It’s pretty simple, really, but a lot of parents don’t get it. From accepting your kids’ identity and orientation, to vaccinating your kids for their good and the good of the community, to learning how to cede control when it’s necessary for your kids’ welfare, that’s the job you signed up for and that’s what you’re required to do.
We hope you enjoy this episode, and if you don’t have support or you feel alone and alienated by what’s happening in today’s world, you’re always welcome to send us a direct message on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). We are happy to chat with you!
In addition to the audio podcast you can find here, you can watch a video version of this episode (and future episodes!) on our YouTube channel and on Instagram.
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In this episode of In The Shadow of the Evening Trees, we talk about our fundraising efforts for Lambda Legal and the Midwest Region’s annual Bon Foster Civil Rights Celebration, which takes place on Friday, May 9, 2025, at 6:30 p.m. at the Art Institute of Chicago. You can buy tickets to the event here, or donate any amount on our fundraising page.
The money raised helps with legal costs for the LGBTQ+ Community. This cause is personal for our family. As parents of a transgender daughter, we care deeply about ensuring that everyone—no matter their gender identity or sexual orientation—has the right to live freely, safely, and with dignity.
If you’re able, we would be so grateful for your support. No donation is too small to make a difference.
We also discuss a recent news story about an unnamed trans fencer who’s opponent would not fence them because they were transgender. This also brought up that sports in general there are MANY people who are born with certain abilities that help them excel at sports, and being transgender, or cisgender – the playing field is never equal and mindset also plays a big role in how people can be successful in their various sport.
We hope you enjoy this episode and want to remind you that if you feel alone about what is going on in todays world and don’t have support – you are welcome to send us a direct message on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). We are happy to chat with you!
In addition to the audio podcast you can find here, you can watch a video version of this episode (and future episodes!) on our YouTube channel and on Instagram.
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On this week’s episode, we continue our conversation about our recent trip to Cozumel to celebrate our 30th anniversary, and we talk about challenging yourself to do new things. Jennifer talks about going snorkeling for the first time, and, in particular, snorkeling in open water.
We also talk about striking the right balance between scheduling enough things to do to keep a vacation interesting but not over-scheduling it so that you don’t have time to relax. We’ve gotten pretty good at this.
And, finally, we get to the part you’ve all been waiting for: Jennifer launching her career as an international karaoke sensation. You don’t want to miss this!
In addition to the audio podcast you can find here, you can watch a video version of this episode (and future episodes!) on our YouTube channel and on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave).
We hope you enjoy the show, please feel free to leave us a comment, and we’ll talk again soon.
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We’re back after a two week hiatus, one of which we spent celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary in Cozumel, Mexico. On this episode, we talk about that trip, from making a rookie mistake (you might be able to guess what it was!) to snorkeling, off-roading, tequila tasting, and hanging out with (or trying to avoid) midwestern rednecks!
Yes, midwestern rednecks are a thing.
But it was a great trip, and there’s a lot more in this episode, so please listen to the end. And join us next week when we talk about Jenn’s budding career as an international karaoke star.
In addition to the audio podcast you can find here, you can watch a video version of this episode (and future episodes!) on our YouTube channel and on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave).
We hope you enjoy the show, please feel free to leave us a comment, and we’ll talk again soon.
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Well, the weirdos finally did it. They made us talk about politics for real, and we’re not too happy about it.
We start our conversation with Donald Trump’s train-wreck interview at the National Association of Black Journalists conference in Chicago last week, and … let’s just say he certainly hasn’t modified his behavior since the incident in Butler, PA, in July.
As Shakespeare would say, he’s full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Except, of course, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and toxic paranoia.
We also talk about the other major story in politics: Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the presidential race and the ascension of Kamala Harris (note: we recorded this before the Vice President chose Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz to be her running mate). Though the President probably did the right thing — and it probably won’t have the disastrous results many of us worried about — that doesn’t get journalists, pundits, movie stars, and other assorted scoundrels off the hook for the ageism and ableism they displayed over the past month or so.
Finally, we touch on the Democrats weaponizing the Trump/Vance team’s weirdness against them and why it’s such an effective strategy. After all, every campaign needs a little Dennis Rodman from time to time. You’ll just have to listen in to find out how the Worm fits into all this.
We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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On this week’s episode, after discussing certain issues we have with Jeopardy! that are best left to another imaginary podcast, we turn our focus to passion projects like playing instruments, writing, making art, and creating content on blogs and social media. Inspired by a colleague who cowrote Empire: The Musical, a show that is now running at the New World Stages in New York, we contemplate how it is that some people are able to maintain their creative passions despite working full-time jobs, raising kids, and dealing with all the other stresses of everyday life.
Spoiler alter: One of us has had considerably greater success in maintaining their side interests than the other … but you’ll have to listen to find out who that is and what insights she has in to making it work.
We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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This week, it dawned on us that we crossed a major milestone. Since our youngest graduated from college, we are officially done with back-to-school. No more beginning of the school year cookouts. No more back-to-school shopping. No more curriculum nights and teacher conferences. And no more moving kids into and out of dorms and college apartments. Which is sad, in a way, but also a pretty major accomplishment.
On the upside, we still have booze left over from our daughter’s college graduation party, but we’re not exactly mixologists over here. Which leads us to a digression about Jon Taffer and “Bar Rescue” and how great it would be if we had someone talk to our politicians the way he talks to failing bar owners. Kind of like the Key & Peele bit about Barack Obama’s anger translator, only in reverse: America needs an anger translator to confront … certain political actors who shall remain nameless.
And that leads to an discussion that should probably have taken place on our imaginary political podcast: We talk about how to spend election night without watching television or following election returns, how political polls work in modern times when very few people have landlines, and how polls fail to measure the truly irrational reasons why people make political choices. It’s not always about the economy and foreign policy. Sometimes it’s about who’s taller, how a candidate looks, or who the candidate hates.
If that’s not enough stress for you, we then turn to climate change and how it’s affecting the weather this summer, with record high temperatures in some parts of the country and crazy, end-times-y storms here in the Chicago area. Which, in turn, leads to a discussion about how we’ve politicized things that are fundamentally not political. Like, you know, science. Climate change, global pandemics and other assorted public health crises exist regardless of your or our politics, and they require nonpolitical, nonpartisan solutions. Especially because things like climate change are not going to stop without taking action and things like COVID may fade away for now, but we know another major pandemic will come along eventually. But if we politicize everything, we’ll never come up with real solutions.
Case in point: After the 1918 flu, we had a hundred years to come up with nonpartisan ways to protect ourselves from airborne viruses, but we were still essentially blind-sided by COVID. And then COVID became completely politicized (mostly by people who didn’t want the government to tell them to wear masks and cut back on going out). So, it’s unlikely that we will ever have an adult conversation about what we got right and what we got wrong. Which means we’ll never develop workable, nonpartisan plans to deal with the next one. So that’s cool.
Anyway, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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Hey, we’re back already! After a less-than-consistent podcasting schedule, we’re posting an episode for the second week in a row. Which is pretty remarkable, all things considered.
This week we talk about using people’s preferred names. That is, everybody’s preferred names. Not just trans and nonbinary people. It’s a sign of respect and you should get in the habit of doing it.
On a sort of related note, we talk about the term nibling, a gender-neutral collective term for nieces and nephews, which is particularly useful if you have nonbinary relatives with that relation to you. Again, it’s all about treating people with respect.
And because we’ve been inconsistent with posting lately, we talk about trying to record and post more often and suggest that you might be interested in some of our earlier episodes, including Episodes 49 and 50, in which we talk about our recent trip to Ireland to see Bruce Springsteen and a host of other things.
That leads us to revisit our recent impromptu/informal high school “reunion” and how we reconnected with old friends. We also spend some time talking about maintaining lifelong friendships and how valuable they can be for your mental health. And we talk about surprise parties, which are somehow related to this topic. You’ll just have to trust us.
From there, we recap our past couple of weeks, including walking in the Chicago Pride Parade with Lambda Legal, a fantastic organization that advocates (and litigates!) for LGBTQIA+ individuals and people living with HIV. We did an awful lot of walking that day — and struggled to find parking, as you do in Chicago — but it was a great time.
Finally, we talk about our youngest daughter’s college graduation party, living in a swamp, and the curious (and annoying!) morning time warp. Which is an appropriate way to wrap up this episode!
So, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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Well, we finally made it to fifty episodes! And then we waited nearly two weeks to post Episode 50. But life is kind of busy, so here we are.
Anyway, in this episode we answer the question we left you with at the end of Episode 49: Where do we want to retire, if, God willing, retirement is in our future?
Kinsale, County Cork, Ireland. Gateway to the Wild Atlantic Way. That’s where. Is it any wonder why?
Kinsale, County Cork, IrelandKinsale, County Cork, IrelandKinsale, County Cork, IrelandKinsale, County Cork, IrelandKinsale, County Cork, IrelandBeyond Kinsale, we continue our recap of our latest trip to Ireland, including some hidden gems in Cork City: Thompsons Cork Restaurant & Microbrewery, and a bar called Sin É, where we listened to a wonderful singer and guitar player named Tony Milner.
And we talk about another pleasant surprise we discovered in Cork: a Mediterranean/Turkish restaurant called Nosta. Modern Ireland is far more diverse than you might expect.
We also spend a good part of this episode discussing the virtues of not over-planning vacations, which we call improvisational travel.
And speaking of improvisation, we talk about our wild weekend of June 7 and 8, which included our local PrideFest, a tribute concert for our old high school jazz band director on the occasion of his 80th birthday, and reconnecting with friends we haven’t talked to in quite a while.
We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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In our first episode back from our vacation hiatus, we begin our recap of this year’s trip to Ireland, a country that is near and dear to us. We briefly talk about our visits to Dublin and Cork, using GPS to navigate, and the many (many) modes of transportation we used.
But we spend most of the episode talking about Bruce Springsteen’s fantastic show at Croke Park on May 19. Bruce’s 2023 show at Dublin’s RDS Arena was great and will always be a special experience, but this year’s show was really something. In front of 80,000 adoring fans from Ireland and around the globe, Bruce had a renewed energy, a strong voice, and a seemingly invincible spirit. The 2023 show, while uplifting and life-affirming as always, had somber, introspective moments that simultaneously made you feel glad to be alive but appreciate how fleeting it all is. This year’s show, on the other hand, convinced us that Bruce and the rest of us will live forever.
Figuratively, at least.
Some highlights from his twenty-two song, seven-encore performance in Dublin:
- Opening the show with “Lonesome Day” from The Rising, a pleasant surprise in its own right, and following it immediately with “Night” from Darkness on the Edge of Town, a diehard fan’s favorite.
- Bringing back “Darlington County” from Born in the U.S.A., a song he might have left behind because of its comical (obviously pre-9/11) reference to the World Trade Center.
- Giving Nebraska’s “Reason to Believe” a full E Street Band/ZZ Top-inspired treatment.
- “Wrecking Ball,” the only song he played off of that album, which the crowd always goes crazy for.
- “She’s the One.” Nothing else to add here, really. It’s simply one of the best songs ever recorded.
- “Nightshift” from Only the Strong Survive, Bruce’s 2022 album of soul covers. This song lets the E Street Band’s great backup singers step into the spotlight.
- A rousing, emotional “My City of Ruins,” a song he originally wrote for Freehold, NJ, that became a New York City anthem after 9/11.
- An incredible set of encores featuring “Land of Hope and Dreams/People Get Ready,” “Born to Run,” and a cover of the Isely Brothers’ “Twist and Shout” (Dublin did not cut the power half-way through, unlike London when Bruce and Paul McCartney sang it at Hyde Park).
- And the emotional crescendo of the evening: closing the show with a cover of the Pogues’ “A Rainy Night in SoHo” as a tribute to the late Shane MacGowan. We knew it was coming, but that did not lessen the impact.
We then talk (half-jokingly and half-seriously) about the power of saying “maybe” instead of “yes” or “no.” You know, we really might be onto something here!
And finally, we think we found the place where we will ultimately retire (God willing). But you’ll have to tune in to our next episode to find out where that is.
We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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In this week’s episode, we talk about Lambda Legal’s Bon Foster Civil Rights Celebration at the Art Institute of Chicago, for which Dave is on the host committee. It’s not too late to make a donation to this fantastic organization, which has been fighting for LGBTQIA+ rights for more than 50 years.
Then, Jennifer gives a recap of her fun but very hectic trip to San Antonio last weekend, we talk about our youngest’s college graduation this weekend, and the importance of sharing kind and supportive words … even if it doesn’t come naturally to some of us!
Finally, we spend some time talking about our upcoming trip to Ireland to see Bruce Springsteen (again!), Bruce’s European tour opener in Cardiff, and his (first ever?) performance in Belfast, a city that could use a lot of love.
We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time
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In this week’s episode, we first talk about San Antonio and its famous River Walk, which is a great place to visit. If you’ve never been there, check it out.
But we spend most of the episode discussing last weekend’s trip to the Milwaukee Film Festival to see a documentary about our good friend Garland Jeffreys. The film is called Garland Jeffreys: The King of In Between. Garland’s wife Claire — also a good friend — wrote, directed, and put the film together with the help of editor Evan Johnson.
We’ve talked about Garland and this documentary before, but this was our first opportunity to see the film in a theater with Claire. We also spent time with Claire and Evan before the screening, which was great. We talked to them about making the film and Claire’s life with Garland … and some other famous people.
This week’s episode also goes into how we got to know Garland and Claire and the many times we saw Garland perform over the years, from a street festival in Chicago in 2012 to his farewell performance at City Winery in New York in 2019.
And we talk about brisket sandwiches. Which all ties together. You’ll see.
Anyway, it was such a special experience to share with Claire after all these years and we had a great time recapping the whole thing.
So, we encourage you to see the film if you can and to get to know Garland’s music. You won’t be disappointed.
We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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We take the title for this week’s episode from a 1995 album by one of our favorite groups, the Mavericks. But more on that later.
We start out with an update on our local walking club, which we joined a few weeks back despite some initial … hesitation. Turns out, it’s been a lot of fun and we’re glad we joined. Then we discuss our upcoming schedule. We will be out of the box for most of May, going to our youngest child’s college graduation followed by yet another trip to Ireland.
At least we have excuses this time. And we’re telling you up front!
After that, we circle back to last week’s topic — mental health. And, in particular, how to manage your mental health on social media. This week’s story begins with an infamous comment by an infamous billionaire author who’s made it her life’s work to trash trans and nonbinary people, and what happens to normal people when they push back. We talk about the positive side of social media (that it can give you a voice when you feel like you don’t have one) and the negative side (that angry mobs will try to silence you if you challenge their narrow-mindedness). And then we talk about the strategies that work for some of us: Don’t engage the haters. Instead, go ahead and block them, mute them, and leave conversations to protect your own mental health. These strategies may not work for everyone, but they give many of us peace of mind while still allowing us to have our say.
We then turn to much happier topics: Seeing the above-mentioned Mavericks in concert this past weekend for what is at least the sixth, if not seventh, time. From the first time we saw them at a small club in the Chicago suburb’s touring in support of their 1994 LP, What a Crying Shame, to this most recent show, they’ve never let us down. Their music spans country, rock, blues, and Latin, but it’s all universally fun. And they’re fantastic musicians, which doesn’t hurt. They also have a new album coming out called Moon and Stars which will be available on May 17. We’re really looking forward to that.
Finally, we talk about an interesting new album called Petty Country: A Musical Celebration of Tom Petty. As the name suggests, the album consists of twenty covers of Tom Petty songs by a diverse group of country artists, including Chris Stapleton, Luke Combs, the Brothers Osborne, Willie and Lukas Nelson, Margot Price, Wynonna Judd, Marty Stuart, Steve Earle, George Strait, and Rhiannon Giddens. We’re not entirely sure what to expect, but we’re looking forward to giving it a spin.
So, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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So, we were off for the past three weeks due to illness — not COVID, but each of us had bad colds that interfered with podcasting and life in general. Fortunately, we’re more or less back now. Until the next thing happens.
In this week’s episode, we first talk about the bizarre weather we’ve had over the past few weeks, including torrential rains, gale force winds, and, yes … snow. Which, to be fair, is not all that unusual in April in this part of the world.
We then turn to the thirtieth anniversary of Kurt Cobain’s death, which came just three years after the death of Dave’s brother under similar (but not identical) circumstances. Which leads to a conversation about whether this time of year may have a negative affect on some people’s mental health. After all, April, as T.S. Eliot famously said, is the cruellest month (that’s his spelling, not ours).
From there, we have an extended discussion about mental health and our own journey with it. We don’t, of course, offer unsolicited advice (as so many people do!) other than to say that each person has to deal with their mental health in the way that makes the most sense for them. We simply encourage people to deal with their mental health as they deal with their physical health: Take it seriously, talk to your doctor or other health professional, consider the options, and, most of all, take positive steps to control the things you can control.
We hope you listen to this frank and personal discussion, and please feel free to share your thoughts in the comment section. We hope that, by talking openly about these issues, it will encourage others to share their experiences — or just give some serious thought to their own mental health and what they need to live happier lives.
Finally, we talk about George Constanza’s weird obsession with death and how to be more philosophical about it, and we chat briefly about NCAA basketball tournament season, the women’s final (which had not yet taken place at the time of recording), and Illinois’ women’s team winning the inaugural Women’s Basketball Invitational Tournament.
So, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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On this week’s show:
- So, we joined the local walking club (as promised on last week’s show), met some new people, and got t-shirts! It’s kind of like being in a gang.
- We also talk about cursing on social media, and Jennifer lets the expletives fly.
- AppleWatch vs. iPhone — which measures distances better?
- Making small talk with strangers.
- It’s our anniversary! Or it was, anyway. Twenty-nine big ones. So, we reminisce about honeymooning in the Bahamas, St. Patrick’s Day on the beach, lessons in mixed drinks, tuning into the NCAA tournament on a transistor radio, (not) snorkeling off Treasure Cay, and … Chris the Burner. (You can see him perform here.)
- Finally, we recommend the David Letterman U2 documentary on Disney+, Bono and the Edge: A Sort of Homecoming (again!).
So, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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On this week’s show:
- Crazy weather in the Midwest, from a high of 71º to a spate of tornadoes to bitter cold and snow. It must be spring.
- Our (or Jennifer’s?) guilty pleasure: Reality TV. We talk about how it all started with the PBS show called “An American Family,” the evolution of shows like MTV’s “The Real World” and “The Challenge” (a modern day Rollerball), and the guiltiest of all pleasures: “90-Day Fiancé.” We also talk about Jennifer’s online friendship with Darcy, our beef with “Catfish,” and where we draw the line … (hint: no “sister” or “brother” spouses, please).
- How weird it is to move to a new subdivision as old people and have to make new friends, and Jennifer’s solution: A local walking club (which might include mall walking) and … secret t-shirts?
- Plus: the old days of marathon training; our version of March Madness (birthdays, anniversaries, etc.); looking forward to warmer weather … eventually; keeping in touch with kids in college; and college graduations, past and present.
So, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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Since we rebooted our podcast, we begin this week’s show discussing topics we plan to cover going forward, including familiar themes such as LGBTQIA+ rights, family, and music, and new(ish) themes like cooking and physical and mental health.
From there, we discuss the tragic death of indigenous nonbinary teenager Nex Benedict after a brutal attack at a high school in Oklahoma, and the range of emotions their death evokes: anger, rage, frustration, despair. But, more importantly, we talk about how to channel those emotions in a constructive and positive way, because losing hope is not an option.
To that end, we also talk about an important fundraising project we are involved in: the annual Lambda Legal Bon Foster Civil Rights Celebration in Chicago, which takes place on Friday, May 10, at 6:30 p.m. Central at the Art Institute. Please consider joining us if you can, and, if that’s not possible, please consider making a donation to Lambda Legal, one of the country’s oldest, largest, and most successful legal organizations fighting for LGBTQIA+ Americans and people living with HIV.
Above all, to paraphrase the late, great Joe Strummer of the Clash, we urge everyone who’s feeling justifiable anger today to turn that anger into power.
So, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter. Our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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Yes, it’s been awhile since we posted our last episode on October 1, 2023. We’ve had a lot going on since then (mostly, the holidays) and we’ve given a lot of thought to whether we should continue the podcast, due in part to some of the flak we get online. But, in the end, we decided that we’re not going to let the haters dictate what we do and say.
So, we’re back. And this time we mean it.
Anyway, in this episode we talk about dealing with abuse on social media without losing your sanity. We’re not policing anybody’s posts, but sometimes the best thing to do is to simply not engage. You can mute the abusers, block them, or simply ignore their comments and get on with your life, but there’s no real upside to fighting with them. Post whatever you want, but consider what’s the sanest and best approach to dealing with people who get bent out of shape — because no matter what you post, it’s pretty much guaranteed that somebody’s going to get bent out of shape about it.
On a lighter note, we also talk about traveling back to Ireland (our third trip in three years) to see Bruce Springsteen again (for the second time in two years). Last year, you may recall, we split our time between Dublin and Sligo; this year we’re splitting our time between Dublin and Cork, Ireland’s second largest city. Should be a great trip!
So, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter. Our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!
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Hey, we made it to forty episodes! (In, like, a year and a half. But still.)
Anyway, in this week’s episode: when you podcast it, it comes true. Last episode we talked about getting a new car and Jennifer getting a new job. This week, both of those things happened.
We also talk about public transportation, the upcoming Garland Jeffreys documentary, Garland Jeffreys: The King of In Between, the return of summer and the last pool weekend of the season, vacationing in the Bahamas, Illinois football and the upcoming Homecoming game, bad sports fans, and … winter is coming.
So please enjoy this week’s episode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments, and, as always, support the rights of LGBTQIA people everywhere! And follow us on Twitter at @itsotetPodcast and @JennandDave1.
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In this week’s episode: An update on the firing of Kris Martin, a local teacher whom the Homer Glen, Illinois, school board let go for … suspicious reasons (you can sign a Change.org petition here).
Also: Weaponizing mental health. Car talk. Driving stick shift. Working remotely vs. working in the office. Remembering 9/11 and what became of America (note that we recorded this before the anniversary of 9/11).
And, from threatening to sue the ADL to siding with Russia, Apartheid Baby continues to be the worst.
So please enjoy this week’s episode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments, and, as always, support the rights of LGBTQIA people everywhere! And follow us on Twitter at @itsotetPodcast and @JennandDave1.
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On this Week’s episode: a rambling conversation about everything from the holiday weekend to running races and training for marathons to … Martha Stewart?
More importantly, we discuss the Texas Supreme Court’s ill-advised decision that lets the state’s ban on gender-affirming care for minors take effect despite the overwhelming weight of scientific and medical evidence to the contrary. And, on a related note, we talk about how the “parents’ rights” movement isn’t about parents’ rights at all, but interfering with your rights as a parent. We talk about the Canadian doofus who goes by the name “Billboard Chris,” the anti-queer cult’s complete misunderstanding of “consent” in the context of minors’ health care (hint: parents always have to consent to health care for their kids), and the limited (but obvious!) circumstances where parents lose the right to make decisions for their kids.
Finally, a couple of notes: First check out our friend Jesse Jackson’s appearance on the Bella Grayce Podcast where he talks about dealing with family members’ substance abuse and the uniqueness of losing a sibling. Second, we briefly revisit the firing of a local queer teacher over social media posts and the new GoFundMe to support him. Please consider making a donation!
Anyway, please enjoy this week’s episode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments, and, as always, support the rights of LGBTQIA people everywhere! And follow us on Twitter at @itsotetPodcast and @JennandDave1.
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On this Week’s episode we talk about guitar playing, the Cubs’ playoff chances, and what the heck is going on in south suburban Home Glen, Illinois, where the local school board apparently fired a teacher for exercising their First Amendment rights to free speech and freedom of religion. We discussed this last episode but naïvely …
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On this Week’s Episode: A heat wave in the midwest. Climate change is real. Growing up without air conditioning. Bomb threats at libraries. Anti-queer hate crimes. And local outrage addicts pick up the pitchforks and go after an art teacher for … being queer? Exercising their First Amendment rights? Criticizing the police? Being a “satanist”? …
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On this Week’s Episode: Haircuts. Heated conversations. Why people feel like they don’t have a platform when there are more platforms than ever. The Clash and the ethos of punk. Bruce in Ireland (again!) and how Little Steven trolled the haters. A chance meeting between Joe Strummer and Bob Weir. RIP and Pee Wee Herman …
Continue reading "Episode 35: A Quieter Podcast … Sort Of"
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On this Week’s Episode: Trying to keep on top of the news without drowning in a sea of misinformation. Teaching history. The media’s obsession with “cancel culture” and their misunderstanding of censorship. The complexity of free speech in the classroom. The summer is flying by. Our youngest’s senior year in college. Courts learned some good …
Continue reading "Episode 34: Keeping Up With the News"
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On this week’s show: Our pool is finally open after months of delay. We’re still trying to get the hang of Threads. Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick support the ACLU Drag Defense Fund. Drag queens have First Amendment rights, too. A lot of you have lost your minds. Jennifer says mind your business. “Moms” for …
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With the launch of Meta’s new social networking platform, Threads, we dedicate this week’s episode to the good, the bad, and the ugly of social media. As Twitter circulates slowly down the drain (taking TweetDeck with it, apparently), we discuss the toxicity of that platform and whether Threads is a viable alternative. We also talk …
Continue reading "Episode 32: Adventures in Social Media"
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On this week’s episode, after reminiscing about being in New York City last year for the 4th of July and giving a shoutout to Garland and Claire Jeffreys for commenting and sharing last week’s podcast, we get down to business. First, we talk about Elliot Page’s book Page Boy: A Memoir, which Jennifer highly recommends. …
Continue reading "Episode 31: Transitioning While Famous, and the Supreme Court Strikes Out"
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On this special joint episode of our two podcasts, In the Shadow of the Evening Trees and Two Minutes Fifty-Nine, we celebrate one of our favorite artists, Garland Jeffreys, who turned 80 on June 29. To those who don’t know, Garland Jeffreys is a singer-songwriter from New York who wrote and performed some of the …
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This week’s episode runs a little long, but we think it will be worth your time. We begin the show talking about solar panels and whether there is a downside to high tech solutions to environmental problems. Then we talk about artificial intelligence and how some employers use it in the hiring process. Perhaps employers …
Continue reading "Episode 29: Solar Panels, Artificial Intelligence, and Hate Groups"
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On this week’s episode, we talk about podcasts past and present, including our good friend Tim Corrimal’s show and the now-defunct Sportsball podcast, which leads to a discussion about hockey, the current sad state of Chicago sports … and the possibility that the Bears might become our neighbors? And that leads to an even longer …
Continue reading "Episode 28: We’ve Become a Sports Podcast"
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So, we’re done talking about our Ireland trip and the Bruce Springsteen concert (for now), but we have to mention that our episode of Jesse Jackson’s Set Lusting Bruce podcast is now live, so check it out. We had a great time recording with Jesse. Turning to this week’s episode, we talk about living in …
Continue reading "Episode 27: “You’re Not From Chicago”"
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Following up on Episode 25, we continue our conversation about our recent trip to see Bruce Springsteen in Dublin, but first we talk about recording an episode of Set Lusting Bruce with our friend and podcaster, Jesse Jackson (not that Jesse Jackson; the Springsteen podcaster from Dallas). We had a really great time talking to …
Continue reading "Episode 26: Ireland, Part 2"
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In the first of (at least) two episodes on our epic trip to Ireland to visit the ancestral home of one side of the family and to see Bruce Springsteen in Dublin, we talk about the genesis of this crazy trip, flying into Dublin, driving to County Sligo in the northwest and the time we …
Continue reading "Episode 25: Ireland, Part 1"
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This week, we discuss a recent episode of 60 Minutes Australia on parents who refuse to assign their newborn babies a gender at birth. Though the show suggests that the parents, who refer to their kids as “theybies,” let the kids “decide their gender,” we note that that’s not really true. Rather, the kids are …
Continue reading "Episode 24: Kids Know Who They Are"
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On this week’s episode: cats don’t worry about other people’s chosen names and pronouns, so you shouldn’t either. We also revisit an old classic: the Boy Scouts of America, an organization notorious for its homophobia in the 1980s and ’90s, recently settled decades of child sex abuse claims for a cool $2.5 billion, and yet …
Continue reading "Episode 23: On the Road Again"
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How do we go from The Masters to the rights of trans athletes in the span of half an hour? Well, it wasn’t easy but we did. The conversation winds from birdies and eagles and albatrosses to high school gym class, with a few odd detours (European team handball?) along the way, until we settle …
Continue reading "Episode 22: Let Them Play"
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Since we recorded our last episode, Transgender Day of Visibility happened (it was March 31) and we would be remiss if we didn’t share our thoughts. According to GLAAD, only about 30 percent of Americans personally know someone who’s trans. At the same time, legislators around the country introduced more than 400 bills attacking LGBTQIA …
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Well, we started out on a light note, talking about watching a certain game show only old people watch and setting up our cat “daycare” so we can work from home in relative peace … And then we went on at some length about podcasting and making videos for our Instagram page and our YouTube …
Continue reading "Episode 20: What Level of Dante’s Inferno Is This?"
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On this week’s episode, we give a long over due (LONG OVERDUE) shout-out to our friend and podcasting mentor, Tim Corrimal of The Tim Corrimal Show, whom we’ve known for years and who helped us considerably when we got started. Tim gave us great advice about podcasting … though we can’t say we’ve always followed …
Continue reading "Episode 19: March Madness"
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We’re not comparing ourselves to William Faulkner, who borrowed a phrase from Macbeth for the title of one of his most famous novels — life, he says, is “a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing” — but we’ve dealt with our share of numbskulls in recent weeks. Not the …
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We’re back after a long hiatus because, as we explain in this week’s episode, there is a conversation going on in the world, whether we like it or not, and good people have to be part of it. It’s been a long time, and, frankly, after recording our last episode, we thought we might never …
Continue reading "Episode 17: Being Part of the Conversation"
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In this week’s episode, we share our thoughts on the latest school shooting, this time in Uvalde, Texas. As parents, we have lived through this nightmare over and over again since the Columbine murders in 1999. Perhaps it’s the cumulative weight of these mass killings, or the fact that the Uvalde murders occurred so soon …
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In the punk rock manifesto “Clampdown” from the Clash’s London Calling LP, Joe Strummer wrote, “Let fury have the hour/Anger can be power/D’you know that you can use it?” A lot of us have been feeling anger lately, for a lot of good reasons. The Supreme Court appears to be on the verge of overturning …
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In this episode, we talk about our trip to Dublin, Ireland last week to celebrate David’s 60th birthday, and reconnecting with our cultural heritage as Irish Americans. We spent most of our time south of the River Liffey in the city center, where many of the major cultural attractions are located (including the seat of …
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In this episode, we talk about managing a successful mixed-orientation marriage in difficult times when the rights of the LGBTQ+ community are increasingly under attack. Although as a community and a country we’ve made tremendous strides over the past 30 years or so, progress is never smooth and linear, and when society backslides on our …
Continue reading "Episode 13: Making It Work"
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On this week’s show, we have news about our upcoming appearances on Jesse Jackson’s Set Lusting Bruce podcast (David’s episode will post on 4/13/22 and Jennifer’s on 4/14/22 — please check them out!) and the great conversations we had, and we also revisit the video we made for Transgender Day of Visibility (check that out, …
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On this week’s show, in light of the unexpected, tragic death of the Foo Fighters’ beloved drummer, Taylor Hawkins, and our upcoming appearances on Jesse Jackson’s Set Lusting Bruce podcast, we talk about some of our favorite musicians and bands — artists who are not only incredibly talented, but also genuinely decent and compassionate people: …
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On this week’s show, we talk about a lawyer’s lawsuit against the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission to get them to recognize that discrimination against transgender and nonbinary people is a form of lawyer misconduct (and some good news on that front!), what the legacy of being Irish in America should be (courtesy of …
Continue reading "Episode 10: Fighting the Good Fight on St. Patrick’s Day and Beyond"
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On this week’s show, we talk about our 27th anniversary (!) and what it’s like to have a successful mixed-orientation marriage, especially in these bizarre times. We also talk about the current onslaught of anti-LGBTQ+ legislation around the country, from Florida to Texas to Idaho, and the toll it takes on the mental health of …
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On this week’s show, we talk about Dave’s appearance on Jesse Jackson’s Set Lusting Bruce podcast, the podcast of all things Springsteen. Dave and Jesse recorded the podcast last week and the episode will likely be posted in early April (watch this space for updates and a link when posted). In other podcast news … …
Continue reading "Episode 8: Casimir Pulaski Day"
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Hello! We are finally back after an extended holiday (and post-holiday) break! On this week’s show, we talk about Dave’s upcoming appearance on Jesse Jackson’s Set Lusting Bruce podcast, the podcast of all things Springsteen. Looking forward to this momentous occasion, we delve into why Bruce, seemingly the most hetero of artists, nevertheless has a …
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