Beyond Atheism: Recent Episodes

Nathan Alexander and Todd Tavares

The Beyond Atheism Podcast moves beyond questions of God’s existence to ask: what now? What should atheists and other nonreligious people be doing next in a godless world? What does it mean to be an atheist today? Is there an atheist worldview? Is there an atheist politics?

Hosted by Nathan Alexander, a historian of atheism and author of Race in a Godless World: Atheism, Race, and Civilization, 1850-1914, and Todd Tavares, a political science scholar and atheist organizer, the podcast asks big questions and aims to discover answers through discussion and debate. Join us! Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/beyond-atheism/support

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In this episode, we’re joined by Jacob L. Wright, Professor of Hebrew Bible at the Candler School of Theology, Emory University, and the author of Why the Bible Began: An Alternative History of Scripture and its Origins. Jacob explains how the Old Testament used a mix of history, myth, and poetry to form a “peoplehood” in the absence of state institutions. We explore the arguments in his new book about the secular origins of the Hebrew Bible and how it impacts contemporary issues. We discuss why the Bible is too important to be left to religious people and how its techniques can be similarly used by secularists today.

Why the Bible Began: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/why-the-bible-began/263D2981C0B829268AAC8BB4A0F696FC

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we’re joined by Elliot Hanowski, a Canadian historian and author of Towards a Godless Dominion: Unbelief in Interwar Canada (McGill-Queen’s University Press, 2023). We discuss the small but vocal atheist and secular movement in 1920s and 1930s Canada. Elliot explains how this period represents an important link between the nineteenth-century freethought movement and the explosive, radical change of the 1960s. We learn how atheist groups developed alliances with socialists and communists and became a part of the free speech movement in “Toronto the Good.” We also reflect on what lessons these past experiences can offer for present-day secularists. Finally, we learn whether a “True Agnostic” can hate religious people.

Towards a Godless Dominion: Unbelief in Interwar Canada: https://www.mqup.ca/towards-a-godless-dominion-products-9780228018834.php?page_id=46&

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we’re joined by David Newheiser, a Senior Research Fellow in the Institute for Religion and Critical Inquiry at Australian Catholic University, and the editor of the book, The Varieties of Atheism (2022). We learn about how David went through a heresy trial when he was a teenager and how this shaped his views of religion. We talk about the complex historical roots of atheism, the potential for a positive atheist identity, and how atheists and theists can communicate better. We also learn whether a True Atheist can have hope for the future.

In the bonus section, available to supporters on Patreon, we talk about David’s surprising philosophical influences and how studying atheism helps to understand religion better.

For more on David: https://dnewheiser.net/
David’s recent edited book, The Varieties of Atheism: Connecting Religion and Its Critics: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/V/bo182880666.html
Find David on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newheisereye/
And on Twitter and Threads: @dnewheiser

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we talk with Alex Zamușinski, a PhD Candidate at the University of California, Riverside. Alex stops by to tell us about his research on the Clergy Project, an organization which provides peer support for clergy members who have begun questioning their faith. In addition to the scope and scale of the project, Alex teaches us about what causes religious leaders to lose faith, the risks they face, and why they sometimes stay in their roles. We also ask whether a True Clergy Project Member can still enjoy their job despite their nonbelief.

In the bonus section, available exclusively for Patreon supporters, we talk about Alex’s YouTube channel, Religiolog, and his thoughts on religion in the former Soviet bloc.

Check out Alex’s YouTube channel, Religiolog: https://www.youtube.com/@religiologEng

More on the Clergy Project: https://clergyproject.org/

Listen to the first episode of the Lifestances Podcast, “Being Nonreligious: Matters of Life and Death”: https://open.spotify.com/show/5YBUeYlwr9ePAg4NYgxNzE

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we talk with Srishti Hukku, a humanist chaplain at the University of Ottawa (Canada). We learn about Srishti’s journey out of religion and her winding path to becoming a humanist chaplain. She explains what a chaplain does, why the military needs non-religious chaplains, and why it is important that these positions be filled with secular humanists. We also find out whether a True Atheist can be frightened of artificial intelligence.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to Patreon supporters, Srishti asks our thoughts about this quote from Audre Lorde: “Unless one lives and loves in the trenches, it is difficult to remember that the war against dehumanization is ceaseless.” We also talk more about humanist chaplains and what book Srishti would like everyone to read.

For more on Srishti: https://www.srishtihukku.ca/
Srishti’s officiant page: https://www.613weds.com/

For how to become a humanist chaplain in Canada: https://www.humanistcanada.ca/chaplains/become-a-humanist-chaplain/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we talk with Chrissy Stroop, an ex-evangelical writer, speaker, and advocate. We talk about Chrissy’s journey out of evangelicalism, her creation of the hashtag #EmptyThePews, and her thoughts on Christian nationalism today. We also talk about Christian privilege and how it can be unwittingly maintained even by atheists. In the lightning round, we learn whether a “true atheist” can be a Christian nationalist.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk with Chrissy about her time studying and teaching in Russia, and how her experience foreshadowed the state of Russia today.

Chrissy’s website: https://cstroop.com/
Chrissy’s Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cstroop
Chrissy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/C_Stroop

Find Chrissy’s article on Religion Dispatches: https://religiondispatches.org/author/chrissy_stroop/

And on openDemocracy: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/author/chrissy-stroop/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we’re joined by Jeremy Schumacher, a licensed Marriage & Family Therapist and former Evangelical Lutheran. We talk about Jeremy’s journey to atheism and how to recognize and treat religious trauma through therapy. Jeremy also explains how the male privilege and purity culture in religion often harms the mental well being of those it seeks to elevate. We also learn whether a “true atheist” can have “vanilla” sex.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk about why Jeremy connected with atheo-paganism, and also his unlikely success as a college volleyball coach.

Please consider donating to help Alastair Lichten’s son, who was diagnosed with a very rare form of cancer: https://www.solvingkidscancer.org.uk/Appeal/teddylichten

For more on Jeremy, see Wellness with Jer: https://wellnesswithjer.com/ Jeremy’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wellnesswithjer/

Other resources for those navigating religious trauma:
https://www.seculartherapy.org/
https://www.reclamationcollective.com/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Juhem Navarro-Rivera, the Managing Partner and Research Director at Socioanalítica Research LLC, and the author of Secular Politics, a weekly newsletter exploring the role of secular people in American political life. We talk about Juhem’s recent work exploring secular legislators in the United States, at the national and state levels: who they are, where they come from, and why secular people are so underrepresented. We discuss what atheists and the nonreligious need to do to ensure they get more representation in the halls of power. We also find out whether a “true atheist” can lie about being religious to please a family member.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon we delve into the underlying systems of power, institution-building, and how the existing secular network can be expanded. We talk with Juhem about the religious politics of the Supreme Court and when he predicts the first atheist president will be elected in the US.

Check out Juhem’s newsletter, Secular Politics: https://secularpolitics.substack.com/

And Juhem’s latest article in Interfaith America: https://www.interfaithamerica.org/tamales-secular-candlemas/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we have a far-ranging talk with M L Clark, a writer of humanist essays and speculative fiction. We find out why M L moved from Canada to Colombia and how first-hand experience in a new culture shapes, informs, and models the actual practice of global humanism. Along the way, we talk about the political imagination, how to respond when someone wishes God to bless you, and how to develop media literacy in the age of mis- and disinformation. In the lightning round, we learn whether a “true global humanist” can believe people are fundamentally good.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk about whether we’ve made any progress toward a better world. M L also tells us the best and worst things about living in Colombia.

Check out M L’s Substack: https://mlclark.substack.com/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we’re joined by David Ames, the host of the Graceful Atheist podcast. David takes us through his own deconversion story and reveals the surprising fact that what led him out of the church was the same thing that led him to join in the first place. He also describes the intense personal feelings that accompany the steps deconverts often face when leaving a faith. We also learn what it means to be a “graceful atheist” and how to meaningfully support people when they begin leaving religion. In the “Can a True [Graceful] Atheist” round, we ask David whether a true graceful atheist can share memes making fun of religion.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk with David about his thoughts on deconverting alone and the rapid increase in people leaving religion in the past two decades.

Graceful Atheist podcast: https://gracefulatheist.com/podcast/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/GracefulAtheist

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we’re joined by Jonathan Friedmann, a professor, dean, community leader, and now the co-host of the Amusing Jews podcast from AU Studios. After learning about how the Jewish religion can be distinguished from Jewish culture and tradition, we talk about how the Jewish-American experience led to roles in entertainment and how so much of this culture remains hidden in plain sight in broader American pop culture. We also learn whether a True Amusing Jew can think Seinfeld isn’t funny and if rituals need religion to be maintained.

In the bonus segment, available exclusively for Patreon supporters, we hear some controversial takes on the vexing issue of Jews celebrating Christian holidays as well as (less controversially) Jonathan’s dream guests for Amusing Jews.

Check out the Amusing Jews podcast:https://www.spreaker.com/show/amusing-jews

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Sharday Mosurinjohn, an Associate Professor in the School of Religion at Queen’s University in Canada. We learn about the current use of psychedelics as well as their links to religion in both the past and present. Sharday talks about the universal connections and spirituality found through mind-altering chemicals. Along the way we meet a few mechanical elves. We also ask whether a “true psychonaut” can believe in an afterlife or attend a church.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to Patreon supporters, we talk with Sharday about the aesthetics of psychedelics, issues around drug prohibition, and her current book.

For more on Sharday: https://shardaymosurinjohn.com/
Check out her latest book, The Spiritual Significance of Overload Boredom: https://www.mqup.ca/spiritual-significance-of-overload-boredom--the-products-9780228011538.php

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Or on Mastodon: https://zirk.us/@NathGAlexander Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, Todd and Nathan reflect on the year that was. We talk about the most striking things we learned and the new questions they provoke. Along the way, we discuss atheist and nonreligious people’s growing power in society and how this is reflected in the voting booth, the continuing decline of religion globally and the reasons why, and our move to Atheists United Studios. We also discuss once and for all whether a True Atheist can believe in God.

In the bonus section, available exclusively for supporters on Patreon, we talk about plans for future guests and some predictions for the new year.

Check out fellow AU Studios podcast Amusing Jews:https://www.spreaker.com/show/amusing-jews

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Or on Mastodon: https://zirk.us/@NathGAlexander
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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/au-studios

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In this episode, we talk about death with Tom Clark, a philosopher and the creator of Naturalism.org. Without a heaven (or hell), is there just an empty void awaiting us after our deaths? This is a mistake, says Tom. Rather, using thought experiments about the nature of consciousness, Tom suggests there is just more experience after our own deaths, though not our experience. We explore this idea, called Generic Subjective Continuity, and ask what its implications are for thinking about death, and ethics more generally. We also learn whether a True Naturalist can believe we’re just a brain in a vat being experimented on by a mad scientist.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we ask Tom for his thoughts on whether we live in a computer simulation (and if it would make a difference if we were). We also talk about free will and the idea of time as an illusion in a “block universe.”

Check out some of Tom’s articles:
Death, Nothingness, and Subjectivity: https://www.naturalism.org/philosophy/death/death-nothingness-and-subjectivity
Naturalism and Well-Being: https://www.naturalism.org/worldview-naturalism/naturalism-and-well-being

Nathan and Todd recently appeared on the Graceful Atheist podcast: https://anchor.fm/gracefulatheist/episodes/Nathan-and-Todd-Beyond-Atheism-e1qmpe9

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Or on Mastodon: https://zirk.us/@NathGAlexander
Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/podcasts

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In this episode, we’re joined by Christian Lomsdalen, the president of the Norwegian Humanist Association. We learn about the history of the organization and how it has grown to over 100,000 members (2% of Norway’s population). We talk about how the organization was organized around rituals and ceremonies and their plans to expand their outreach by placing humanist chaplains in prisons, hospitals, and the military. We also learn about Christian’s personal hopes to be composted in his garden. In the lightning round, we explore humanism’s connection to the welfare state.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk about the world chess champion (and arguably the most famous Norwegian) Magnus Carlsen. Christian also points out problems with previous “Can a True Atheist” rounds.

The Norwegian Humanist Association: https://www.human.no/

Nathan and Todd recently appeared on the Graceful Atheist podcast: https://anchor.fm/gracefulatheist/episodes/Nathan-and-Todd-Beyond-Atheism-e1qmpe9

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/podcasts

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In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Timothy Stacey, a researcher at Utrecht University in the Netherlands. Past episodes of Beyond Atheism have examined the “secular paradox” and the isolation felt when people begin to challenge and lose their faith. In this episode we talk about creating and maintaining community using myth and magic (but they don’t mean what you think they mean!). We learn about Tim’s research with the Metro Vancouver Alliance and how it can teach us to forge meaningful atheist spaces. In the lightning round, we get a surprising answer about belief in God!

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we ask Tim about how we can create communities between people with widely divergent viewpoints. We also learn his thoughts on recent environmentalist protests like throwing soup at a Van Gogh painting.

Check out Tim’s book, Saving Liberalism from Itself: The Spirit of Participation: https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/saving-liberalism-from-itself
For more on Tim: https://www.uu.nl/staff/TJStacey
Follow Tim on Twitter: https://twitter.com/godsandsods

Nathan and Todd recently appeared on the Graceful Atheist podcast: https://anchor.fm/gracefulatheist/episodes/Nathan-and-Todd-Beyond-Atheism-e1qmpe9

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/

If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/podcasts

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In this episode, we’re joined by Rachele Walter, the current Vice Chair of Secular Democrats of Nebraska and the President of Lincoln Atheists. We talk about the state of secularism in Nebraska and how secular activism and political activism can be both deeply intertwined and yet be kept separate. She also gives us an inside look at how the Secular Democrats have had success getting their party to adopt more secular positions to the party platform. In addition to hearing predictions for the upcoming midterm elections in the US, we also learn whether a true atheist can date someone who is religious or even vote Republican.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to Patreon supporters, we gossip about her funny interactions in political life and learn about the Bad Ass Bitches Brigade.

Follow Secular Democrats of Nebraska on Twitter: @SecularDemsofNE
On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/seculardemsofne/
And check out their Linktree: http://linktr.ee/seculardemsofne
Official merchandise: https://www.bonfire.com/store/secular-democrats-of-nebraska/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/podcasts

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In this episode, we’re joined by Gayle Jordan, the Executive Director of Recovering from Religion. We talk about how Gayle’s organization helps people through the pain and difficulty associated with leaving a faith. Additionally, we learn about many of the specific problems and traumas caused by religion through Gayle’s fascinating personal story of leaving the Southern Baptist church later in life and how it led her to Recovering from Religion. Finally, we learn whether a “True Atheist” can think religious people are stupid and what’s so great about a covered dish supper.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to our Patreon supporters, we talk more about life as a Southern Baptist, the few outlets from religious repression offered in the community, and concerns over reading Harry Potter.

[Note: This episode was edited to replace some of the questions due to technical difficulties. Gayle is a fantastic conversationalist and her answers remain unchanged.]

For more on Recovering Religion: https://www.recoveringfromreligion.org/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander
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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/podcasts

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In this episode, we are joined today by Jamie Woodhouse, the host of the Sentientism Podcast and YouTube channel. We learn about “sentientism” – the idea that we should have moral concern for all sentient creatures – and what its ethical consequences are. We also find out, among other things, whether a “True Sentientist” can eat honey or own a pet.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to Patreon supporters, we ask Jamie whether he has come across any stereotypically obnoxious vegans in real life, and his thoughts on vegan cuisine. We also ask him about his thoughts on the recent controversy at Google about the potential creation of a sentient artificial intelligence.

Find out more about Sentientism: https://sentientism.info/
Sentientism YouTube channel: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMfzOpbOeXRhZBXYRHkpPEg/videos
Sentientism podcast: ​​https://pod.link/1540408008
Sentientism Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sentientism
Sentientism on Twitter: https://twitter.com/sentientism
Sentientism on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sentientism/
For more on Jamie: https://jamiewoodhouse.com/

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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/podcasts

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In this episode, we’re joined by Anya Overmann, the host of The Nomadic Humanist podcast. We talk about how Anya’s humanist ideals developed and how they complement and complicate international travels, especially when she doesn’t have any set “home.” Through tales of her life as a digital nomad, she gives us her thoughts on other digital nomads, and on the secular movement today. We also learn whether a “True Nomadic Humanist” can travel by plane, feel disgusted by local food, and visit holy sites of foreign cultures.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to our supporters on Patreon, we learn how living a nomadic lifestyle impacts how one maintains and grows personal relationships and how popular apps can help.

The Nomadic Humanist podcast: https://nomadichumanist.com/
For more on Anya: https://www.anyaovermann.com/about

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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/podcasts

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In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Christopher Cameron, a professor of history at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte and the author of Black Freethinkers: A History of African American Secularism. We talk about Chris’s own winding path to atheism before getting into the history. What do we know about the religion of enslaved people? Were there any atheists among them? How did religion change after the end of slavery? Did atheism play a role in the Civil Rights Movement? We also find out whether a “true atheist” can miss things about being a believer.

In the bonus section, available exclusively for Patreon supporters, we ask about Chris’s thoughts on the current state of the secular movement, and whether he has come across any really shitty atheists in his research.

For more on Chris: https://pages.charlotte.edu/christopher-cameron/
Check out his book, Black Freethinkers: A History of African American Secularism: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Freethinkers-American-Secularism-Insurgencies/dp/0810140780/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=black+freethinkers&qid=1568467548&sr=8-1
Check out his contribution in OnlySky: https://onlysky.media/salasady/what-do-you-miss-and-not-miss-about-religion/

The three books Chris recommended by Black freethinkers:
Sikivu Hutchinson, Moral Combat: Black Atheists, Gender Politics, and the Values Wars: https://www.amazon.ca/Moral-Combat-Atheists-Gender-Politics/dp/057807186X
Anthony Pinn,The End of God-Talk: An African American Humanist Theology: https://www.amazon.ca/End-God-Talk-American-Humanist-Theology/dp/0195340833
James Baldwin, The Fire Next Time: https://www.amazon.ca/Fire-Next-Time-James-Baldwin/dp/067974472X

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If you find the podcast valuable and want to support it, check out our Patreon page, where you will also find bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/beyond_atheism We are grateful for every contribution.

Beyond Atheism is produced and distributed by Atheists United Studios: https://www.atheistsunited.org/podcasts

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In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Kristina Lee, an assistant professor in Communication Studies at the University of South Dakota. We talk about the idea of “theistnormativity” – the way that Christianity and belief in God are subtly (or not!) privileged in the United States. This is seen in things like having “In God We Trust” on the money, the ubiquitous “God Bless America” in politicians’ speeches, and the way atheists are mistrusted and have had their citizenship challenged. We talk about how this theistnormativity is not inevitable but that it was Christian nationalists who have repeatedly tried to instill it. We also learn whether a “true atheist” can commit a sin, or say “Goddammit!” when they stub their toe.

In the bonus section, we talk about persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the 1940s and the reception of Kristina’s work in academia and as a teacher.

Disclaimer: "Please note, Dr. Lee is expressing her own professional opinion, not those of USD or the South Dakota Board of Regents."

Check out some of Kristina’s articles:

“Why it matters that 7 states still have bans on atheists holding office”: https://theconversation.com/why-it-matters-that-7-states-still-have-bans-on-atheists-holding-office-161069

“70 years ago Walter Plywaski fought for atheists' right to become citizens – here's why his story is worth remembering”: https://theconversation.com/70-years-ago-walter-plywaski-fought-for-atheists-right-to-become-citizens-heres-why-his-story-is-worth-remembering-164758

“How 'In God We Trust' bills are helping advance a Christian nationalist agenda”: https://theconversation.com/how-in-god-we-trust-bills-are-helping-advance-a-christian-nationalist-agenda-164143

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In this episode, we talk with Dr. Wil Jeudy, who was named Activist of the Year for 2022 by American Atheists. We talk with Wil about his experience as a secular activist in Texas, starting with a long journey to becoming an atheist and the desire for community. We learn about how Wil has moved from finding like-minded people in Houston to becoming a state organizer and political activist.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to Patreon supporters, we dig a little deeper into the risks and challenges of being an atheist in Texas, as well as Wil’s experience as an urgent care doctor during Covid.

For more on Wil: ​​https://www.atheists.org/people/wil-jeudy/

Secular Houston: www.secularhouston.com​​

Wil’s questionnaire for political candidates: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdmY9LBKA7BoZaiM_yEzckqinIUdFwsSbiJC-3k0023gS7DJQ/viewform?usp=sf_link

Check out Nathan’s recent review of Joseph Blankholm’s book, The Secular Paradox: On the Religiosity of the Not Religious: https://onlysky.media/nalexander/the-weirdness-of-being-secular/

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In this episode, we’re joined by Rob Boston, Senior Adviser at Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, for a wide-ranging conversation on the work of Americans United and the religious right’s hold on the Supreme Court. In particular, we discuss the recent Kennedy v. Bremerton School District ruling, in which the court found that a high school football coach praying on the sidelines after the game was not unconstitutional. We also find out in the lightning round whether a true public official can say “God Bless America” or offer a prayer to the sun.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk with Rob about the strangest church-state separation case he has come across in his 30+ years with Americans United, and his personal observations of the Supreme Court justices.

Americans United: https://www.au.org/

For more on Rob: https://www.au.org/about-au/people/rob-boston/

Check out Andrew Seidel’s new book, American Crusade: How the Supreme Court is Weaponizing Religious Freedom: https://andrewlseidel.com/american-crusade/

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In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Joseph Blankholm, an assistant professor in the Department of Religious Studies at University of California, Santa Barbara, and the author of the new book, The Secular Paradox: On the Religiosity of the Not Religious. We talk about his decade-long research project of attending secular events and interviewing secular people trying to build secular organizations. We discuss in depth what he calls the “secular paradox” – the uneasy ambivalence secular people feel toward religion. We also talk about the unique position of “secular misfits” who don’t fit into the expected secular pattern. Finally, we find out whether a “true secular person” can dislike John Lennon’s song “Imagine.”

In the bonus content, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we find out more about Joe’s research in the field, his discomfort around attending a Secular Day of the Dead ceremony, and why his research required so much alcohol consumption.

The Secular Paradox: On the Religiosity of the Not Religious: https://nyupress.org/9781479809523/the-secular-paradox/

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In this episode, we’re joined by Maddy Goodall, the Humanist Heritage Coordinator for Humanists UK. We talk about her current project outlining the century plus history of humanism in the UK. What follows is a surprising tale of political activism, liberation for women, and the unexpected humanist roots of everyday symbols and objects hiding in plain view. We also ask Maddy whether a “true humanist” can eat meat or believe in aliens.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we ask Maddy to dish the dirt on some of her least favorite humanists.

Humanist Heritage Project: https://heritage.humanists.uk/

Humanist history in objects: https://heritage.humanists.uk/objects/

How Humanist Are You? Quiz: https://humanists.uk/humanism/how-humanist-are-you/

Check out Maddy’s articles:

“Morality Without Religion: The Story of Humanism”

https://freethinker.co.uk/2022/05/morality-without-religion-the-story-of-humanism/

“The Forgotten Women of Humanist History”: ​​https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5792/the-forgotten-women-of-humanist-history

“On the Trail of Humanism’s Hidden Women”:​​

https://thehumanist.com/features/articles/on-the-trail-of-humanisms-hidden-women

“American Architects of the UK Humanist Movement”:

https://thehumanist.com/commentary/american-architects-of-the-uk-humanist-movement

Check out Nathan’s book (which was not so subtly plugged at various points in the episode): https://nyupress.org/9781479835003/race-in-a-godless-world/

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In this episode, Todd and Nathan discuss the strange inclusion of “God” in Canada’s constitution. Follow along as Nathan walks through Canada’s history to reveal how and why the otherwise secular Charter of Rights and Freedoms came to recognize the “supremacy of God” in its 1982 preamble. Todd and Nathan consider the significance of these symbolic inclusions and the risk they pose to the separation of church and state. Along the way, they also talk about religious references in Canada’s national anthem and the mandatory prayer before each sitting of the Canadian parliament. Additionally, we learn whether a true atheist can sing the Canadian national anthem with pride.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters of Patreon, we talk more about national anthems and where else religion appears in public life.

For more, check out Nathan’s article, “How God was wedged into secular Canada’s constitution”: https://onlysky.media/nalexander/how-god-was-wedged-into-secular-canadas-constitution/

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In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Will Gervais, Senior Lecturer in Psychology at Brunel University. We learn a bit about evolutionary psychology before finding out what it tells us about why people become atheists and the difference between the reported and observed power of rational thinking. Will also explains how his survey methodology revealed a number of “closeted atheists” that traditional polls may have missed. Stick around to the end to hear whether he thinks a “true atheist” can follow religious dietary restrictions, or hold prejudices against other atheists.

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For more on Will: http://willgervais.com/

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Check out Nathan’s recent article, “How Three Media Revolutions Transformed the History of Atheism”: https://freethinker.co.uk/2022/04/how-three-media-revolutions-transformed-the-history-of-atheism/

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In this episode, we consider some of the ways the growing nonreligious population will shape future societies. To do so, we’re joined by Dr. Lori Beaman, the Principal Investigator of the Nonreligion in a Complex Future project. We talk about the numerous and sometimes unexpected effects and changes this project has been examining. Listen in to learn how the growth of the nonreligious has altered everything from our collective understanding of death and dying, to the language used in debating new policies. We also learn how religious assumptions continue to inform immigration and resettlement policies. Lori also weighs in on whether a true nonreligious person can do yoga or wish for a world without religion.

In the bonus content, available exclusively to Patreon subscribers, we discuss how to think about Quebec’s controversial Bill 21, which prohibits the wearing of religious symbols for public officials, including teachers.

For more on the Nonreligion in a Complex Future project: https://nonreligionproject.ca/

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In this episode, Todd and Nathan get personal about death. Atheists still fear death, but don’t have the comfort provided by a belief in an afterlife. They discuss how rational their own fears of death are, how technology might allow us to deny death, and the importance of accepting death as a prerequisite for giving meaning to life. This deep, far-ranging discussion also touches on how atheists have begun to commemorate loved ones and deal with grief through secular rituals and ceremonies.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to Patreon supporters, Todd and Nathan talk about what they plan to do with their bodies after they die.

George Eliot’s poem, “The Choir Invisible”: https://poets.org/poem/choir-invisible

Cool “Disco” Dan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_%22Disco%22_Dan

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In this episode, we are joined by Mark Solomon, host of the Being Reasonable podcast. We talk to Mark about “street epistemology”: having conversations with people to find out why they believe what they believe. We learn how Mark gets people to question the foundations of their knowledge, and we discuss how this can challenge deeply held (but untrue) beliefs.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we ask Mark whether people need strange beliefs to survive the bleakness of reality. We also talk about aliens, tarot cards, and other topics he has explored on his channel.

Being Reasonable on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/BeingReasonable

Being Reasonable Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/being-reasonable/id1487687962

Aporia Documentary: https://filmfreeway.com/projects/2390757 (Password: 1212)

For more on Street Epistemology: https://streetepistemology.com/community

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Ahoy, godless Street Pirates! In this episode we are joined by Evan Clark, the executive director of Atheists United, a growing organization in California. He tells us about how the organization has been changing to meet the needs of the atheist community, including through its innovative Atheist Street Pirates program. It is a great how-to on getting people through the doors and then getting them to stay and become involved. We discover how reading books about church-planting informed Evan’s approach to organizing, and we also learn, among other things, whether a “true atheist” can criminalize religious belief and when it is appropriate to remove religious signage.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk more about free speech issues and the Street Pirates program, as well as reflections on the future of community-building in the atheist movement.

Learn more about Atheists United here: https://www.atheistsunited.org/

An article on AU’s Street Pirates program: https://religionnews.com/2022/03/03/in-l-a-atheist-lookouts-remove-religious-signage-from-streets-and-freeway-overpasses/

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In this episode, our guest is Emma Park, the new editor of the Freethinker magazine. Join us as we discuss the magazine’s incredible history and its impact on creating a secular society in Britain. Emma talks about the paradox of Britain’s growing nonreligious population and the stubborn persistence of institutions like the monarchy and religious privilege, and the challenge of finding the appropriate limits to free speech and expression. She also gives some thought to whether a “true freethinker” can be an anti-capitalist and if vandalizing a church can ever be considered free expression.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk more about free speech, Antifa’s answer to fascism, and the paradox of tolerance.

The Freethinker: https://freethinker.co.uk/

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Nathan recently appeared on the Monday Morning Dullard podcast to talk about atheism. Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVmjk9_mMxY

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In this episode, we are joined by Leigh Eric Schmidt, the Edward C. Mallinckrodt Distinguished University Professor in the Humanities at Washington University in St. Louis, and the author of a new book, The Church of Saint Thomas Paine: A Religious History of American Secularism. In a far ranging discussion we learn why after his death the eighteenth-century radical Thomas Paine went from disgraced Founding Father to the patron saint of the freethought movement. As the freethought movement in the early United States began to form it was guided not only by Paine's words, but also by quests for his literal bones. Leigh highlights how much early secularists were driven by the desire to make new religions and how a landmark court ruling would accidentally make secular humanists a Reagan-era bogeyman. We also learn whether a true “Painite” can believe in an afterlife or work for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters of Patreon, we ask Leigh whether he has ever attended an “atheist church,” and if he thinks atheists’ natural independent streak dooms the prospect of creating long-lasting secular institutions.

Check out Leigh’s new book, The Church of Saint Thomas Paine: A Religious History of American Secularism:https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691217253/the-church-of-saint-thomas-paine

For more on Leigh: https://rap.wustl.edu/people/leigh-e-schmidt/

Nathan recently appeared on the Monday Morning Dullard podcast to talk about atheism. Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVmjk9_mMxY

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In this episode, we are joined by Sam McGuire, the National Field Director of American Atheists. She imparts wisdom on how atheists can organize as well as offers resources and opportunities for groups and individuals. We learn a lot about organizing as we talk about her experience with the Southern Maryland Chapter of the Washington Area Secular Humanists, her role in the controversy over a sex education lesson, and how her work at Reason Rally 2016 led to her current role.

In the bonus content, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, Sam tells us about the time someone threw holy water on her, and we also get her take on whether reports of the atheist movement’s death are greatly exaggerated.

For more on Sam: https://www.atheists.org/about/staff/

Follow Sam on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SamJMcGuire

American Atheists 2022 National Convention: https://convention.atheists.org/

State of the Secular States report: https://states.atheists.org/

A video of the County Commissioners meeting on sex-ed in the library (Sam speaks at the 50:15 mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKniafcw64

For more on the Drag Queen Story Hour in the library controversy, see here (pp. 17-21): https://www.scribd.com/document/515616589/American-Atheist-Magazine-July-October-2019

Nathan recently appeared on the Monday Morning Dullard podcast to talk about atheism. Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVmjk9_mMxY

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In this episode, we are joined by Eiynah Mohammed-Smith, an author, illustrator and the host of the Polite Conversations podcast. We talk about her time growing up in Saudi Arabia, her break with Islam, her involvement in New Atheism, and her subsequent disillusionment with that movement. Along the way, we talk about Sam Harris, ex-Muslims, hijabs, and more. We also ask Eiynah whether a “true atheist” can do things such as be spiritual or dislike Sam Harris.

In the bonus section, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we ask Eiynah if she regrets her New Atheist phase and, most controversially, if she actually likes mangos.

Polite Conversations: https://soundcloud.com/politeconversations

Woking Up Miniseries: https://soundcloud.com/politeconversations/sets/woking-up-miniseries

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In this episode, we are joined by Alison Gill, the Vice President for Legal and Policy with American Atheists. We talk with Alison about her recent work charting the challenges and priorities of nonreligious people in the US today. We find out why she has said that “2021 was the worst state legislative session for civil rights in more than a decade.” We also ask whether a “true atheist” can support the death penalty or believe in God.

In the bonus content, available exclusively for supporters on Patreon, we get Alison’s thoughts on the current state of the atheist movement, the divisions between “woke” and “anti-woke” atheists, and how things have changed since she first got involved in American Atheists.

State of the Secular States report: https://states.atheists.org/

Press release: https://www.atheists.org/2022/01/christian-nationalist-movement-in-2022/

PDF: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d30e25ed90f2f0001d94628/t/61d37df35e2cf21ab00b1e51/1641250292461/2021+State+of+the+Secular+States.pdf

Reality Check: Being Nonreligious in America: https://www.secularsurvey.org/executive-summary

Press release: https://www.atheists.org/2020/05/reality-check-being-nonreligious-in-america/

PDF: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d824da4727dfb5bd9e59d0c/t/5ec6d6d8e8da850b30521353/1590089442015/Reality+Check+-+Being+Nonreligious+in+America

The Tipping Point Generation: America’s Nonreligious Youth: https://www.secularsurvey.org/youth

Press release: https://www.atheists.org/2020/12/tipping-point-generation-americas-nonreligious-youth/

Black Nonreligious Americans: https://www.secularsurvey.org/black-nonreligious-americans

Press release: https://www.atheists.org/2021/10/black-nonreligious-americans-report/

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After almost a year of Beyond Atheism, it is time to take a brief look back to take stock of what we’ve learned so far. In this episode, Nathan and Todd talk about their 10 main takeaways from the podcast, ranging from politics to activism to history. Stick around to hear their reflections on what true atheists can and cannot do.

In the bonus content, available exclusively for supporters on Patreon, Nathan and Todd talk about a recent article in LifeHacker, “How to 'Come Out' As an Atheist Without Destroying Your Relationships”: https://lifehacker.com/how-to-come-out-as-an-atheist-without-destroying-your-r-1848313516

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As societies become more and more religiously diverse, and more and more nonreligious, secularism takes on greater importance. But what is secularism? In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Jacques Berlinerblau, Professor of Jewish Civilization in the Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, and the author of the new book, Secularism: The Basics. In addition to giving us a practical definition, Jacques introduces us to four main frameworks of secularism: the American, French, Indian, and Soviet models. We talk about some of the benefits and drawbacks of each, and he explains why some secular countries can and do give financial support to religions. We also discuss what secularism might look like in a nation with a majority of nonbelievers and why religious groups may become allies in the struggle for greater secularism. We also ask Jacques whether a “true” secular government can ban abortion or allow religious intolerance.

In the bonus content, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk with Jacques about his future predictions for secularism around the world. Should we be optimistic or pessimistic about its trajectory? And what are the most pressing issues for secularists today?

Check out Jacques’s new book, Secularism: The Basics: https://www.routledge.com/Secularism-The-Basics/Berlinerblau/p/book/9780367691585#

Jacques’s website: https://www.jberlinerblau.com/

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Sweden is one of the most secular countries in the world. Around half of the population claims to be non-believers; one survey even found that only 18% of Swedes believed in God. But why is this the case? How does Sweden’s history explain its secular nature? To talk about these questions and more, we are joined by Dr. Anton Jansson, an associate professor and researcher in intellectual history at the University of Gothenburg, Sweden. Along the way, we learn about the importance of the Swedish Social Democratic Party, atheist intellectuals and organizers, and Sweden’s long history of having a state church. Anton also tells us whether a “true atheist” can pray or shop at a Christmas market.

In the bonus content, available exclusively to our supporters on Patreon, we talk with Anton about perceptions of Sweden from abroad. Is it a social democratic utopia or a potential hotbed of Islamist radicalism? Anton debunks some of these myths.

For more on Anton: ​​https://www.gu.se/en/about/find-staff/antonjansson

Follow Anton on Twitter: https://twitter.com/antnlj

Read Anton’s article “‘A Swedish Voltaire’: The Life and Afterlife of Ingemar Hedenius, 20th-Century Atheist”: https://secularismandnonreligion.org/articles/10.5334/snr.98/

For more on the figures Anton mentioned:

Viktor Lennstrand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Lennstrand

Ellen Key: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Key

Ingemar Hedenius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingemar_Hedenius

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Without a God to author morality, does this leave atheists adrift? What is morality, are there absolute moral truths, and how can we know about them? To examine these questions, we are joined by Aaron Rabinowitz, a PhD student in the Rutgers Graduate School of Education, and the host of two podcasts, Embrace the Void and Philosophers in Space. Aaron explains why the absence of a God actually allows for the creation of objective moral systems, something that should correct biases against atheists. He also tells us about whether a true atheist can be immoral or wish that God existed.

In the bonus content, available exclusively to supporters on Patreon, we talk with Aaron about the infamous “enlightening round” on his podcast Embrace the Void, where he asks guests whether things like God, races, sandwiches, and fictional characters are “real.”

Follow Aaron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ETVPod

Check out Aaron’s workshop, “Morality Without God,” running for three weeks in January: ​​https://evergreen.humanitru.com/web/campaigns/the-innerwork-center~winter-spring-2022?attend=id%3A4465&sharer_id=3509&medium=¬es=Listing+Card&remote_id=RSgy

Embrace the Void podcast: https://voidpod.com/podcasts/

Philosophers in Space podcast: https://0gphilosophy.libsyn.com/

Check out Nathan’s appearance on Embrace the Void: https://voidpod.com/podcasts/2021/7/15/ev-201-defining-racism-with-nathan-alexander

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Effective secular activism takes on a number of forms and issues, and builds connections across many different – and often unexpected – groups of like-minded people. In this episode, we talk with Monica Miller, the Legal Director and Senior Counsel for the American Humanist Association and an attorney with the Nonhuman Rights Project, and learn how an early interest in animal rights led to her arguing a separation of church and state case in the US Supreme Court. In this wide-ranging conversation, we talk about the legal biases against the rights of humanists in prison, efforts to get animals like elephants and great apes the status of “legal personhood,” and how her work connects religious activists and vegetarian Satanists. We also find out whether a true humanist can consume animal products or own a pet.

In the bonus content, available exclusively for Patreon subscribers, Monica tells us about her experience arguing in front of the Supreme Court and some behind the scenes details of filming the HBO documentary, “Unlocking the Cage.”

For more on Monica: https://americanhumanist.org/about/staff/miller-monica/

Follow Monica on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Mon_L_Miller

Nonhuman Rights Project: https://www.nonhumanrights.org/

American Humanist Association: https://americanhumanist.org/

Unlocking the Cage documentary: ​​https://www.unlockingthecagethefilm.com/

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In this episode we are joined by Dr. Jacqui Frost, a Postdoctoral Research Fellow at Rice University, to discuss the atheist practice of the Sunday Assembly. Although this burgeoning movement is sometimes referred to as an “Atheist Church,” we learn about what makes these communities different from religious practices. In a wide-ranging conversation, Jacqui explains what a Sunday Assembly service looks like in practice, how the congregations form and avoid hierarchy, and whether they can be a viable replacement for churches or mosques. We also learn whether a “True Atheist” can wish there was an afterlife or visit a psychic.

In the bonus content, available exclusively to our supporters on Patreon, we talk with Jacqui about the science of creating rituals through scientific experimentation in “ritual labs.”

For more about Jacqui’s work: https://www.jacquifrost.com/

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For more on the Sunday Assembly: https://www.sundayassembly.com/

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Christopher Hitchens was perhaps the wittiest and most vibrant of the atheist “Four Horsemen” until his passing in 2011. In addition to religious criticism, over his long career as a writer and journalist, “Hitch” turned his critical pen against many figures, including Bill and Hillary Clinton, Henry Kissinger, and even Mother Teresa. But his career was not without controversy, particularly his support for the Iraq War in 2003, which seemed to contradict his socialist politics. To talk about Hitchens’s complex legacy – and other subjects including cancel culture, YouTube debates, and the links between socialism and atheism – we are joined by Dr. Ben Burgis, a philosophy instructor at Rutgers University and author of “Christopher Hitchens: What He Got Right, How He Went Wrong, and Why He Still Matters.”

For bonus content, available exclusively to our supporters on Patreon, we talk with Ben about his recent interview with Christopher’s brother, Peter Hitchens, and about Hitch’s legendary affinity for drinking.

For more on Ben: https://benburgis.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCByZMNYpHFEetI0s3deYH2g

Twitter: https://twitter.com/BenBurgis

Christopher Hitchens: What He Got Right, How He Went Wrong, and Why He Still Matters: https://redemmas.org/titles/36536-christopher-hitchens--what-he-got-right--how-he-went-wrong--and-why-he-still-matters

Canceling Comedians While the World Burns: A Critique Of The Contemporary Left: https://redemmas.org/titles/34877-canceling-comedians-while-the-world-burns--a-critique-of-the-contemporary-left

Charlie Kirk debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VWFlteBniw

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In the past, critics contended that atheists were simply wrong. Now, however, we have found a critique saying that atheists have overreached in their claims. So says the Notre Dame professor Christian Smith in his new book, Atheist Overreach: What Atheism Can’t Deliver. In this episode, Todd and Nathan respond to the arguments made in Smith’s book about universal morality, rational cheating, the limits of science, and the importance of ethics. You’ll be shocked to discover how much (or how little) they agree with Smith’s analysis.

Atheist Overreach: What Atheism Can’t Deliver: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/atheist-overreach-9780190880927?cc=us⟨=en&#

Nathan and Todd interviewed for the AHS+ blog: https://ahsplus.blog/2021/10/19/activism-matters-nathan-alexander-and-todd-tavares/

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This week’s guest drops some shocking information: not only is religion declining around the globe, but atheists are proving to be more moral than fundamentalist Christians. To discuss how this came to be, we’re joined by Phil Zuckerman, a professor of sociology at Pitzer College in Claremont, California, and the author of several books, including What It Means to be Moral, The Nonreligious, Living the Secular Life, Faith No More, and Society Without God. Among other things, we talk about the evidence for and causes of secularization, the future of religion, and the roots of morality. We also find out, for example, whether a true secular person can have sex outside the holy bonds of marriage or tell their kids about Santa.

In the bonus section, available on Patreon exclusively for subscribers, we talk about Phil’s establishment of the first Secular Studies program in the world at Pitzer College and whether academics are paying enough attention to the massive decline of religion.

For more on Phil and his works: https://philzuckerman.com/

Phil’s latest article in Salon, “Staunch atheists show higher morals than the proudly pious, from the pandemic to climate change”: https://www.salon.com/2021/08/21/staunch-atheists-show-higher-morals-than-the-proudly-pious-from-the-pandemic-to-climate-change/

New edition of Society without God: What the Least Religious Nations Can Tell Us about Contentment: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.18574/9781479851119/html

Upcoming virtual book launch (September 15th) for the two-volume Cambridge History of Atheism: https://atheismsecularismhumanism.wordpress.com/seminars/

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In this episode, Todd and Nathan talk about the different labels we use to describe ourselves as nonreligious people. Terms like atheist, agnostic, secularist, freethinker, and bright all have specific definitions – but they are also loaded with connotations and carry different social stigmas. What do these terms mean and how should they be understood? We assign a highly scientific, highly objective score out of 10 to each label! We also discuss whether a “true atheist” can lie about their beliefs or use money with a monarch on it.

In the bonus content, available exclusively for Patrons on our Patreon page, Todd describes a recent run-in with the mayor of his town in New Jersey and describes how he used what he learned from previous guests to get his point across to a political leader.

Nathan’s article, “An Atheist with a Tall Hat On: The Forgotten History of Agnosticism”: https://thehumanist.com/magazine/march-april-2019/philosophically-speaking/philosophically-speaking-an-atheist-with-a-tall-hat-on-the-forgotten-history-of-agnosticism/

How Humanist Are You? (Quiz from Humanists UK): https://humanists.uk/humanism/how-humanist-are-you/

On the “Brights”: https://ahsplus.blog/2021/08/23/were-the-brights-really-such-a-bad-idea/

Upcoming virtual book launch (September 15th) for the two-volume Cambridge History of Atheism: https://atheismsecularismhumanism.wordpress.com/seminars/

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Atheism, narrowly defined, is only concerned with the absence of gods. To build a foundation that grounds ethics and morality we need a positive worldview free from dogma and the supernatural. In this episode, we examine one worldview that goes “beyond atheism”: namely, religious naturalism. To discuss this idea, we are joined by Carol Wayne White, the Presidential Professor of Philosophy of Religion at Bucknell University, and author of the book, Black Lives and Sacred Humanity: Toward an African American Religious Naturalism. We learn about what religious naturalism is, whether it is compatible with atheism, and whether there is a place for “spirituality” in the worldview. We also ask whether a true atheist – or rather, a true religious naturalist – can believe in an afterlife or get married in a church.

In the bonus section, available on Patreon exclusively for subscribers, we talk about the “harm principle,” Black Lives Matter, and whether anyone has ever asked to pray for her.

Check out Carol’s book, Black Lives and Sacred Humanity: Toward an African American Religious Naturalism: https://www.fordhampress.com/9780823269822/black-lives-and-sacred-humanity/

For more on Carol, including a list of recent publications: https://www.bucknell.edu/fac-staff/carol-white

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In this episode, we talk with Sarah Levin, the founder of Secular Strategies, a political consulting firm that works with policymakers, lawmakers, and non-profit organizations to be effective champions of secularism in the United States. We discuss her political work – from the grassroots to lobbying to serving on the Democratic National Committee’s Interfaith Council. We also talk about why secular people seem to lean left, the possibility of an atheist president, and whether Republicans might ever pay attention to secular voters. We also learn whether a “true atheist” can, for example, eat meat or vote Republican.

In our bonus content on Patreon, available exclusively for Patrons, Sarah gives us a crash course in lobbying and tells us some funny stories about meeting politicians.

Secular Strategies: www.secularstrategies.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/secular-strategies/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secularstrategies/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/secularstrats

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/secularstrategies

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And on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarahmlevin

Nathan and Todd’s article on the nonreligious voting bloc in The Humanist: https://thehumanist.com/magazine/winter-2021/up-front/nonreligious-americans-the-key-demographic-that-no-one-is-talking-about

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In this episode, we are joined by Lucien Greaves, the co-founder and spokesperson of the Satanic Temple. We have a wide-ranging conversation about the founding of the Satanic Temple, their various legal battles for religious neutrality, the Baphomet Statue, Lucien’s appearances on Fox News, Satanic rituals, and the place for atheists in the congregations. We also have a round of “Can a True Satanist…?” where we learn – among other things – whether a true Satanist can wear bright-coloured clothing or use the prayer emoji.

For more on the Satanic Temple:

https://thesatanictemple.com/

Follow them on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Satanic_Temple_

Support Lucien on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LucienGreaves

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And his band:

https://twitter.com/SatanicPlanet

Lucien’s 1st appearance on Tucker Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueeYIZs0xj4

Lucien’s 2nd appearance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHMEiz7J2h8

Lucien on Megyn Kelly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6pL8aRmLJs

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In this episode, we are joined by Thomas Lawson, a writer, eulogist, and crematory operator, to talk about his new book, The Secret Clergy Bible. The book reveals some surprising doubts among clergy members in the nineteenth century about the Bible, Jesus, hell, miracles, and religion itself. After discussing the book, we turn toward Tom’s work as a cremationist and the connections he has made delivering eulogies at funerals. Tom explains how his personalized eulogies create meaning for grieving families by drawing on the freethought tradition. Plus, more answers to what “true” atheists can and cannot do!

The Secret Clergy Bible: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HH1JSTS

(All proceeds go to the Clergy Project)

For more on the Clergy Project: https://clergyproject.org/

Letters from an Atheist Nation Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/atheistletters/

Grief Beyond Belief Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/faithfreegriefsupport/

Digitized issues of the Blue-Grass Blade: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn86069867/issues/

Follow Tom on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tojolaw

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Do certain political views flow from atheism? This is the question we tackle in the podcast, with reference to the slogan, “No Gods, No Masters.” The discussion brings up many reasons to reject the rule of religious authorities. But with no gods and no masters, are there any legitimate authorities for atheists to follow? What does it mean for an authority to be legitimate?

PRRI Report on the 2020 Census of American Religion: https://www.prri.org/research/2020-census-of-american-religion/

Nathan and Todd’s article on nonreligious voters in The Humanist: https://thehumanist.com/magazine/winter-2021/up-front/nonreligious-americans-the-key-demographic-that-no-one-is-talking-about

Support for legalizing marijuana among religious groups: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/26/religious-americans-are-less-likely-to-endorse-legal-marijuana-for-recreational-use/

On another note, check out Nathan’s recent appearance on the Embrace the Void podcast: https://voidpod.com/podcasts/2021/7/15/ev-201-defining-racism-with-nathan-alexander

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Episode 16: Black Nonbelievers, with Mandisa Thomas

In this episode, we talk with Mandisa Thomas, the president and founder of Black Nonbelievers. We discuss her unique journey to atheism, how she created Black Nonbelievers, and how they are building a community to address the needs of Black atheists and others. We also find out, among other things, if Mandisa thinks a “true” atheist can say “bless you” after someone sneezes.

Black Nonbelievers: https://blacknonbelievers.org/

On Twitter: https://twitter.com/BNonbelievers

On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BlackNonbelievers

Women of Color Beyond Belief conference, September 24-26, 2021: https://wocbeyondbelief.com/

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In this episode, we talk about the “Harm Principle.” This principle claims government should only prohibit actions that harm someone else, and it guides much of our political discussions. We talk about whether this principle is actually valid, with reference to – among other things – littering, polygamy, blasphemy, mask-wearing, and one very evocative example!

For more on the “harm principle”: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mill-moral-political/#HarPri

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Even in the most secular countries, some regions are very religious while some are more secular. In this episode, Prof. Tina Block takes us through the history of irreligion in the Pacific Northwest, traditionally the region with the lowest church attendance, religious identification, and participation in both the US and Canada. She describes the factors that helped shape the secular culture there as well as the impact that class, gender, and family had on forging a life free from religious compulsion.

Tina’s book, The Secular Northwest: Religion and Irreligion in Everyday Postwar Life (UBC Press): https://www.ubcpress.ca/the-secular-northwest

Nathan is presenting a talk, “No Gods, No Masters: The Politics of Atheism,” at the Nonreligion and Secularity Research Network conference on June 17th. For more details, see the conference program: https://nonreligionandsecularity.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/2021-nsrn-preliminary-conference-programme-03-2021.pdf

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Today we talk about what happens when a government tries to create an atheist society. This was attempted at various times in the brief history of the USSR – with surprising results. To help us understand the Soviets’ campaign against religion, we are joined by Dr. Victoria Smolkin. We discuss the Soviets’ struggle against religion, from building a secular administrative state, to militant atheism, to rapprochement, all while learning that the dreaded “godless commies” weren’t quite what they were made out to be.

Victoria’s book, A Sacred Space Is Never Empty: A History of Soviet Atheism (Princeton University Press, 2018): https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691174273/a-sacred-space-is-never-empty

More on Victoria: https://www.wesleyan.edu/academics/faculty/vsmolkin/profile.html

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In this episode, Nathan and Todd are joined by Dr. Clare Stainthorp, an expert in atheism and freethought in nineteenth-century Britain. We talk about Clare’s exploration of the brief but amazing life of freethinking scientist/poet Constance Naden. We draw links between freethought and radical politics, and also make connections between the way freethinkers created community in the past and ‘zine culture. Another amazing and insightful hour!

Follow Clare on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ClareGS87

Clare’s book, Constance Naden: Scientist, Philosopher, Poet:

https://www.peterlang.com/view/title/65828

Clare’s article on Constance Naden’s life: https://dangerouswomenproject.org/2016/11/11/3646/

Nineteenth-Century Religion, Literature and Society: Disbelief and New Beliefs, co-edited by Clare Stainthorp and Naomi Hetherington: https://www.routledge.com/Nineteenth-Century-Religion-Literature-and-Society-Disbelief-and-New-Beliefs/Hetherington-Stainthorp/p/book/9781138572850

For more on freethinkers and feminism in the nineteenth century, see Laura Schwartz’s Infidel Feminism: Secularism, Religion and Women's Emancipation, England 1830–1914: https://manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/9780719085826/

Information from the Secular Coalition on the upcoming American Supreme Court decision in the Fulton v. City of Philadelphia case, which has important implications religious organization’s ability to discriminate on grounds of sexual orientation, marital status, religion, etc.: https://www.decisionday.org/

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In this episode, Todd and Nathan discuss Nathan’s recent article, “Reading John Stuart Mill’s On Liberty in the Age of ‘Cancel Culture’ and ‘Fake News’.” We discuss Mill’s famous defense of free speech and its limits. Along the way, we talk about the implications for present-day issues like “cancel culture,” Antifa’s answer to hate speech, and religious tolerance in a secular world.

Reading John Stuart Mill’s On Liberty in the Age of “Cancel Culture” and “Fake News”: https://www.liberalcurrents.com/reading-john-stuart-mills-on-liberty-in-the-age-of-cancel-culture-and-fake-news/

Karl Popper’s Paradox of Tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Examples of “cancel culture” we discuss:

3 cases of people being fired for innocuous things: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firing-innocent/613615/

Gina Carano: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Carano#Social_media_controversy

Canceled young-adult novelist: https://reason.com/2019/02/28/he-was-part-of-a-twitter-mob-that-attack/

For Todd’s post-episode reflections, check out: https://todd-tavares.medium.com/

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In this episode, Nathan and Todd discuss the book, The Seven Types of Atheism, by John Gray. We talk about the seven types and offer comments and criticism along the way. Among the questions we raise are: Must atheists be miserable? Can atheists celebrate Christmas? Is there meaning in life for atheists?

It’s not necessary to read the book before listening, but if you want a shorter entry into Gray’s writing, check out his article, “What scares the new atheists”: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/03/what-scares-the-new-atheists

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In this episode, Todd and Nathan talk with Dr. Charles Devellennes about atheism in the French Enlightenment, the recent gilets jaunes (yellow vests) protests in France, next year’s French presidential election, and France’s model of secularism. Charles is a Senior Lecturer in Political and Social Thought at the School of Politics and International Relations, University of Kent, and the author of the recent books: Positive Atheism: Bayle, Meslier, d'Holbach, Diderot (Edinburgh University Press) and The Gilets Jaunes and the New Social Contract (Bristol University Press).

Positive Atheism: Bayle, Meslier, d'Holbach, Diderot: https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-positive-atheism.html

The Gilets Jaunes and the New Social Contract: https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/the-gilets-jaunes-and-the-new-social-contract

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In this episode, Todd and Nathan talk with Dr. Greg Sharzer about his new book, Late Escapism and Contemporary Neoliberalism: Alienation, Work and Utopia (Routledge). We talk about religion as a means of escapism, as well secular ways of escaping the current neoliberal moment through things like video games, BTS fandom, DisneyLand, and the alternatives to market capitalism that informed his previous book No Local: Why Small-Scale Alternatives Won't Change The World.

Late Escapism and Contemporary Neoliberalism: Alienation, Work and Utopia: https://www.routledge.com/Late-Escapism-and-Contemporary-Neoliberalism-Alienation-Work-and-Utopia/Sharzer/p/book/9781138242319

No Local: Why Small-Scale Alternatives Won't Change The World: https://www.johnhuntpublishing.com/zer0-books/our-books/no-local

If you would like a PDF of any of these books, feel free to email Greg directly: greg.sharzer@utoronto.ca

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In this episode, Nathan and Todd talk with Dr. Kimberly Hamlin about her new book, Free Thinker: Sex, Suffrage, and the Extraordinary Life of Helen Hamilton Gardener. Gardener (1853-1925) lived a fascinating life: she was a freethought lecturer, a world traveler, and a key organizer for women’s suffrage. She was described as the “most potent factor” in the passage – in 1919 – of the 19th Amendment to the US constitution which granted women the right to vote. We talk about a range of topics including how her agnosticism was the starting point for her feminism, the question of race and women’s suffrage, and the interesting fate of HHG’s brain.

Free Thinker: Sex, Suffrage, and the Extraordinary Life of Helen Hamilton Gardener: https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324004974

For more on Kimberly Hamlin: http://www.kimberlyhamlin.com/author/

Follow Kimberly on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ProfessorHamlin

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander

For Todd’s post-episode reflections, check out: https://todd-tavares.medium.com/

Buy Kimberly’s book first, but if you are in the mood for a second, check out Nathan’s Race in a Godless World: Atheism, Race, and Civilization, 1850-1914: https://nyupress.org/9781479835003/race-in-a-godless-world/


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In this episode, Todd and Nathan discuss the history of atheism and its lessons for the present. How have atheists in the past lived? What barriers did they face? What values and politics did they espouse? We uncover some surprising commonalities and differences.

Nathan’s article on the history of agnosticism: https://thehumanist.com/magazine/march-april-2019/philosophically-speaking/philosophically-speaking-an-atheist-with-a-tall-hat-on-the-forgotten-history-of-agnosticism/

Nathan’s book, Race in a Godless World: https://nyupress.org/9781479835003/race-in-a-godless-world/

Twitter thread on the British Census of 1851: https://twitter.com/ClareGS87/status/1372905963607441418

For people in the United States who have belonged to secular communities, please fill out the Secular Communities Survey: https://secularcommunities.com/survey

For Todd’s post-episode reflections, check out: https://todd-tavares.medium.com/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander

Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/


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In this episode, Nathan and Todd talk with Andrew Grossen, the Communications Manager at Secular Coalition for America. Among other things, we talk about the referendum campaigns Andrew worked on while in Ireland for the legalization of abortion, same-sex marriage, and blasphemy, and his current work with the Secular Coalition.

Secular Coalition for America: https://secular.org/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/seculardotorg

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SecularCoalition

Andrew’s recent piece about Ireland: https://secular.org/2021/03/stpaddys/

The tweet dunking on Ted Cruz: https://twitter.com/seculardotorg/status/1285168729119170560?s=20

For Todd’s post-episode reflections, check out: https://todd-tavares.medium.com/

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Nathan’s website: https://www.nathangalexander.com/


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In this episode, Todd and Nathan are joined by their first ever guest, Dr. Juhem Navarro-Rivera, the Research Director and Managing Partner at Socioanalitica Research and a scholar of politics, race, and religion. We talk about his latest project, the Secular Communities Survey, and learn a lot as he details some of the remarkable findings from his past research on the politics of nonreligious people.

For people in the United States who have belonged to secular communities, please fill out the Secular Communities Survey: https://secularcommunities.com/survey

For more info on the survey: https://secularcommunities.hfa.ucsb.edu/

For more on Juhem: https://juhemnr.com/home/

And follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JuhemNR

See also Juhem’s 2020 Secular Voices Report: https://secularvoices2020.socioanalitica.com/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander

Follow Todd on Medium: https://todd-tavares.medium.com/


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In this episode, Todd and Nathan discuss whether atheists can be moral. Is everything permitted without God? Where do we get our morality from? And what does jaywalking (or lack thereof) say about different societies?

Secular Community Survey: https://secularcommunities.com/scs2021

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander

Follow Todd on Medium: https://todd-tavares.medium.com/

(Addendum: in the episode, Nathan mentioned research about conservatives and disgust reactions. Here is an article about this: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/the-yuck-factor/580465/ But recent research shows things might be more complicated: https://digest.bps.org.uk/2019/11/27/no-conservatives-dont-experience-feelings-of-disgust-any-more-than-liberals/)


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Our most controversial episode yet! In this episode, Nathan and Todd ask: what is identity politics? Is ALL politics really identity politics? Todd has some thought experiments for Nathan.

Le Chiffre (atheist villain in Casino Royale): https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=62&v=J0U0oY_nqbg&feature=youtu.be

Secular Community Survey: https://secularcommunities.hfa.ucsb.edu/

Follow Nathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NathGAlexander


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In this episode, Nathan and Todd discuss atheist and other nonreligious voters and the 2020 American presidential election. We ask: why did these voters support Biden and the Democrats at such a high rate?

For more, see their article: https://thehumanist.com/magazine/winter-2021/up-front/nonreligious-americans-the-key-demographic-that-no-one-is-talking-about


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