The Peg Doesn't Fit: Recent Episodes

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Welcome to The Peg Doesn’t Fit – the podcast that brings you the changemakers in education. Tune in to hear from educational leaders who aren’t content with the status quo educational model, and are blazing their own path.

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Learn how teacher Tina Troyer is using Reciprocal Teaching in her classroom and how she's turning it into a plug and play product for fellow educators to bring to their own classrooms.

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Join us as with talk to Maile Munson, director of advocacy for lives in the balance. Stick around for information about a free lives in the balance webinar taking place Friday, October 27th. Check out their website for information about this powerful and FREE event: www.livesinthebalance.org--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thepegdoesntfit/message

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Join us for a powerful conversation with Chad Lang and Matt Townsley about Standards Reference Grading from a parent's point of view.

The book may be purchased on Amazon at https://www.amazon.com/Parents-Guide-Grading-Reporting-Matters/dp/1475868022/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1S9RZEHEW60EL&keywords=being+clear+about+what+matters&qid=1694352513&sprefix=being+clear+about+what+matters%2Caps%2C178&sr=8-1

Contact Matt Townsley

Twitter: @mctownsley

Website: http://mctownsley.net/

Contact: Chad Lang

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Website: https://recalibrateedservices.com/

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Join us as we talk to Elise Naramore about her Learning Progression Model. This model takes Standards Referenced Grading the next level. Elise has worked extensively with previous guest Dave Frangiosa. They are the authors of Going Gradeless: Shifting the Focus to Student Learning. It was an honor having Elise on the show and we hope you enjoyed our conversation as much as we enjoyed having it.

For more information about Learning Progressions and other great educational resources, check out Elise and Dave's website at reimaginedschools.com. Elise was has also given each of our listeners a 50% off coupon for her Essentials Course. This also includes a kindle version of the book: TPDFpod2023.

You may contact Elise on her website or by email at enaramore@pascack.org

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Alfie Kohn joins us for a powerful conversation about managing student behavior and grades. We could have gone on for hours, but jam packed as much info as we could into 30 minutes. For more information about Alfie, go to his website at www.alfiekohn.org.


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David Frangiosa returns for another peg changing episode. He first appeared on Season 1 E13, but a lot's changed since then. Join us as we talk to Dave about what's changed over the last 3 years and what he has in the fire next.

X: @DavidFrangiosa

Website: reimaginedschools.com


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Ryan and Erich are back for their 4th season of The Peg Doesn't Fit. Join us as we reminisce about some of our favorite season 3 guests and talk about where we want to go for season 4.


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Join us for our last episode of season 3. In this episode Ryan and Erich discuss school choice with Elizabeth Matthew.

Elizabeth Grace Matthew is a Philadelphia-based writer and editor. She recently completed the Writing Fellowship with America’s Future Foundation. Matthew writes about education, culture, politics, and religion. Her work has appeared in The Hill, Patheos, America Magazine, FemCatholic, and The Philadelphia Inquirer. She has also edited and copyedited popular articles, academic articles, dissertations, books, textbooks, and standardized tests. For more than a decade, Matthew was a professor and university administrator. She holds a bachelor’s in English from the University of Pennsylvania, a master’s in English from Penn State, and a doctorate in education from St. Joseph’s University.

Reach out and follow Elizabeth on Twitter @ElizabethGMat. You can also find more information about her on her website at elizabethgracematthew.com

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Please join us as Ryan had a powerful conversation with Dr. Amy Berry about her new book, Reimagining Student Engagement.

Dr. Amy Berry is a research fellow at the Australian Council for Educational Research and an honorary fellow at the University of Melbourne. Amy began her career as a primary school teacher in Queensland before returning to university to complete a master of education (research). Having developed a passion for research, she went on to complete her PhD looking at teacher perspectives on student engagement and their approaches to engaging students in classroom learning.

Amy has extensive experience working with preservice and practicing teachers to develop their skills in classroom-based assessment and evidence-based practice. She has designed numerous professional learning programs for teachers, including programs on formative assessment, student engagement, and learning through play. As well as working with teachers in Australia, Amy has worked with teachers, school leaders, and education officials from Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Ukraine.

Check out these links for more info on Amy's work:

https://www.teachermagazine.com/au_en/articles/expert-q-a-student-engagement-in-learning

https://corwin-connect.com/2022/10/revealing-the-secret-business-of-student-engagement/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJEdTgQYUg

You can also find her on social media @dramyberry.

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Troove is a free online application that helps High School students get matched with their perfect college. Think of it as the eHarmony of college admissions. For more info, check out their website at troove.me. Recently we had the pleasure of meeting with Troove's founder, David Hurwitt. Tune in for a sneak peak of what Troove has to offer.

David is a product workhorse who’s led the development and launch of countless products – generating over $1B in sales for his teams. If you have a front loading Whirlpool in your home, that's David.
Today, he’s focusing his efforts on the $14B higher education admissions market. David and his team use predictive AI to gather, mine and decode experience data from schools and align it with the values, abilities, and priorities of prospective students. David is passionate about disrupting the admissions industry and would love to chat with you and your audience about:

  • Antiquated MarTech failing schools and students
  • Why the admissions market has a shrinking supply problem
  • How Troove is leveling the playing field for low income, underrepresented minorities, and first generation students

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This episode is about so much more than simply school leadership. If you are a teacher, don't tune out. This episode digs in to the influence a good school leader is capable of bringing to a school. Perhaps your school leader doesn't fit that mold. Perhaps you are an aspiring school leader. Whatever your current role, this episode has much that can be learned and applied to your current work

Chicago-based Beth Napleton is an executive leadership coach, consultant and the owner and founder of Beth Napleton Consulting. She offers senior leaders in education and at mission-driven organizations a clear path to excellence through individual, executive and group coaching experiences. Additionally, she offers busy leaders a container and her expertise so they can expand their capacity in all areas.

Beth leverages her extensive experience in education to work with senior leaders in education and mission-driven organizations to help them clear out the “adult problems” that get in the way of student success.

Beth is a national award-winning teacher and has been in the education field for over 20 years, having trained over 1,800 teachers and leaders to success. She is an alumni of Columbia University, Building Excellent Schools, and Teach For America. Most recently, she served as Founder and CEO of a small charter school network on the South Side of Chicago that opened in 2013. All graduates of her schools – most of them first-generation students – were accepted to at least two four-year colleges, changing their paths forever.

Beth took her leadership skills a step further and became a certified Clifton Gallup Strengths Coach so she can offer leaders the opportunity to lean into their own strengths and succeed.

Beth completed the National Principal Supervisors Academy at Relay, and is a former member of the Far South Side Community Action Council. Beth has been a guest on The EJT Show and the Teacher Renewed: What's Possible in Education podcasts, and hosted her own podcast Live on Leadership with Beth Napleton.

She is a solo parent who lives in Chicago with her three amazing kids.

Website: www.bethnapleton.com

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Join us as we have a powerful conversation with Dr. Nick Sutton about Professional Development. Nick is an experienced Educational Leader with a demonstrated history of working in the education management industry. Skilled in K-12 Education, Curriculum Assessment, Lesson Planning, Educational Technology, and Instructional Design. Graduated from Western Illinois University. He is also the author of two books: "Make Professional Development Matter "and "The Post COVID School. He is also a former cohost of the Learning Through Leading Podcast. Check out some of his previous episodes at https://www.learningthroughleading.com/. Follow Dr. Sutton on twitter for more info and to get in touch with him @DrNickSutton.

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Join Ryan as he has a very informative conversation with Dan McGuire, the executive Director at SABIER.

Open Education Resource (OER) Curation, Creation, and Professional Development.
Designs courses in learning management systems with the philosophy that students learn best by co-creating and collaboration. Assessment development aligned to the needs of both teachers and students. Specializes in courses that can be used in both virtual and face to face environments, or both as needed. Uses best practices in universal design and accessibility standards to ensure all learners are able to fully engage in learning experiences.

For more information about SABIER, visit their website at sabier.org.

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Join Erich and Ryan as they have the pleasure of meeting with Darleen, Vice President and Director of RAND Education and Labor. This episode is jampacked with data based research on PD, how the USA measures up with other countries, as well as other data rich topics. Connect with both Darleen and RAND corporation on twitter: @VDarleenOpfer @RANDCorporation

V. Darleen Opfer is vice president and director of RAND Education and Labor and holds the Distinguished Chair in Education Policy at the RAND Corporation. She served as director of RAND Education from 2011 to 2018; from 2005 to 2011, she was director of research and senior lecturer in research methods and school improvement at the University of Cambridge's (England) Faculty of Education. Opfer has conducted policy research studies for a number of local, state, and national governments on issues that affect teachers and schools, including recruitment and retention, professional development, and impact of policies on teacher practice. In 2014, she was selected as a Thomas J. Alexander Fellow by the OECD where she used TALIS 2013 data to explore conditions that support teacher professional development. Her research also includes national studies of teacher professional development for England and Turkey, a study of teacher professional development and its relationship to school outcomes in six U.S. states, and a study of recruitment and retention of teachers and school leaders for the Scottish Government. She recently completed the TALIS Video Study for the OECD.

Opfer recently has served as an advisor to Israel's Ministry of Education's Strategy team. She previously served as an advisor to the National Council for Education Research and Training, India. She also served as a consultant for the U.S. Agency for International Development, working on the Increased Access to Quality Education and Training Initiative in South Africa. Opfer is the author of numerous books, reports, and journal articles and has presented to practitioners, researchers, and policymakers worldwide. She holds a Ph.D. in education policy studies from the University of Virginia and a B.A. in education from Stetson University.

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Join us as we talk school policy with James Franko, the president of Kansas Policy Institute. Though James works on Kansas policies, this episode isn't limited to Kansas policy talk only. It is a good introduction to what educational policy is, how they get written, and how the policies effect education in general. For more info go to https://kansaspolicy.org. You can also email James at james.franko@kansaspolicy.org. You can also follow Kansas Policy Institute on twitter @KsPolicy.

James Franko Bio: James Franko is the President of Kansas Policy Institute, assuming this role after serving in multiple roles with KPI since starting in 2010. In this role, he is responsible for the day-to-day operations of an organization helping each Kansan pursue life, liberty, and happiness. The team has achieved multiple legislative accomplishments during James’ time at KPI including the passage and expansion of Kansas’ only private school choice program. Experience across the free-market movement and time on Capitol Hill help James understand that the challenges facing society are best solved when individuals and local communities are left to find solutions without undue interference from Topeka or Washington, DC. James has published opinion pieces in both national and Kansas-based media outlets, has appeared on radio and TV programs, and regularly speaks to groups around The Sunflower State. A native of Stilwell, James is graduate of Kansas State University where he received a Bachelor of Business Administration degree and minored in economics.

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Join Erich as he speaks with Crystal Frommert about her new book, When Calling Parent's isn't Your Calling. Erich had to go so solo on this episode because Ryan was out on a Spring Break Hiking adventure. Crystal Frommert, M.Ed, has over 20 years of experience as an educator in public, parochial, and international schools. Beyond teaching middle and high school, she has served as an instructional coach, school board member, adjunct college instructor, technology coordinator, and administrator. She currently teaches middle school math in Houston, where she lives with her husband, daughter, and fluffy dog. Reach out to Crystal via twitter @mrs_frommert for more info about her book and to keep track of all the awesome things she is doing in education.

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Join us as we take a break from strategies and other educational content. Today we wanted to just have a good old fashioned positive conversation with Dr. Darrin Pepper. Join us as we talk about getting over those bla moments in education, talk about spicing up our rooms, finding a little gratitude and tips to help stay organized with all the "things" that are thrown at us on a daily basis.

Dr. Darrin Peppard is a leadership coach, consultant, and speaker focused on organizational culture and climate, and coaching emerging leaders. Darrin is the best-selling author of the book Road to Awesome, and is the host of the Leaning into Leadership podcast. As a ‘recovering high school principal’, Darrin shares strategies and lessons learned from 26 years in public education to help leaders gain clarity, find joy in their work, and walk in their purpose.

For more info on Darrin you can follow him on all social media platforms @darrinmpeppard or go to his website at roadtoawesome.net

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Join us for a powerful episode with Mandy Froehlich about teacher trauma. Trauma has been a popular word in education the past several years; however, most of the work has been focused on students.  What about teachers?  Teachers are humans as well and have their own trauma from their life experience. Many may even develop trauma from the students they are trying to teach. But do schools and districts focus enough energy taking care of their own. 

Mandy Froehlich passionately encourages educators to create innovative change in their classrooms. An experienced Director of Innovation and Technology, technology integrator, and teacher, she has experience at many levels of the organizational structure. Her interest lies in reinvigorating and re-engaging teachers back into their profession, as well as what’s needed to support teachers in their pursuit of innovative and divergent thinking and teaching. She consults internationally with school districts and post-secondary institutions in the effective use of technology to support great teaching, mental health support for educators, and how to create organizational change.

For more information about Mandy, go to her website and divergentedu.com. You can contact her via the website or follow her on social media @froehlichm.

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AJ Crabill serves as Conservator at DeSoto ISD -- where during his guidance, DeSoto improved from F ratings in academics, finance, and governance to B ratings -- and as Governance Director at CGCS. He served as Deputy Commissioner at Texas’ Education Agency and Board Chair of Kansas City Public Schools. This episode discusses AJ's newest book, Great on Their Behalf: Why School Boards Fail, How Your Can Become Effective. For more information go to his website at https://www.ajc7.com/ or follow him on twitter ajcrabill7.--- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thepegdoesntfit/message

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Natalie is an educator, coach, speaker, and passionate learner. Driven to make education empowering for all, she has developed expertise in equitable assessment and grading practices and can break down complex topics into practical strategies to drive school improvement. She is also the founder of The Empowerment Ecosystem. Feel free to reach out to her If you are looking to step up your game and want to be a part of a network to support you along your journey. She is also a fellow podcaster and cohosts an amazing podcast called #educrush.  This season's theme is rehumanizing education through story telling.  Follow the podcast @educrushpod or hit her up on twitter @natabasso.

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Jason Kennedy is a 22 year educator, author, administrator, instructional coach and presenter with experience at all levels of education, elementary through college. He has been a part of Cognia review teams, statewide professional learning and local curriculum design teams, making the intentional designing of instruction for learning his goal. For more information about Jason and to order a copy of his book visit his website at https://letsquitteaching.com/. You can also follow him on twitter @letsquitteachin.--- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thepegdoesntfit/message

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Chad Lang, Ed.D., is the Assistant Superintendent of School Improvement & Human Resources at Glenwood Community School District in Iowa. He has a decade of experience in standards-based/referenced grading and is a sought-after speaker and consultant in school district grading practices. Dr. Lang's writing has been published in academic journals including, Phi Delta Kappan, and he hosts an educational podcast, "Learning with Interesting People". Dr. Lang has a forthcoming book with co-author Dr. Matt Townsley for a fall 2023 release from Rowman and Littlefield, Being Clear About What Matters:  A Parents' Guide to Grading and Reporting.He was the 2018 Missouri State Athletic Director of the year and is the President and Lead Consultant for Recalibrate Educational Services LLC, while also serving as an adjunct professor of graduate education for the University of Nebraska-Omaha.  You can follow his work on Twitter  @Chad_mLang and @RecalibrateEdu1.

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Tune in to hear Ryan and Erich briefly dive into the power of data.  Instructional data is more about collecting data.  If educators have a bunch of data and do nothing with it then the data collection is a waste of time.  However, if educators can visualize that data and pinpoint areas of weakness for reteaching and then reassess, data can be a powerful source of educational information.  Educators can take it to the next level by collaboratively planning with common data.

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Season 1 guest Ross Parker is back to talk about his new book Screens That Eat Children and how his mindset has moved toward a much more methodical approach to screen use.

Listen in to hear how Ross' mindset has evolved in recent years and his tips to be a more "Digital-Informed" human being.

BONUS!! Erich is back!  Is he a guest host?  A co-host? Encourage him to rejoin the show full-time. Let us know @RyanDBartel1 or @thepegdoesntfit

Head to screensthateatchildren.com to learn more from Ross and purchase the book.

Once you've read the book, email Ross at ross@rossparker.org with The Peg Doesn't Fit in the subject line and he will set up a Zoom call with you to discuss the book!

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Listen to Cory Steiner (@CorySteiner10), Superintendent of Northern Cass School District 97.

No more letter grades, no more grade levels, middle school studio projects, career focused and individualized paths for learners.

Check out what Cory's vision is for his district and what he and his staff have already accomplished. 

School Website - https://www.northerncassschool.org/

Personalized Learning Institute Website - https://sites.google.com/northerncassschool.com/ncplinstitute/home?authuser=0

Intro and outro clips from Hanging By A Thread by Ollie Beanz at https://olliebeanz.com/music

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Martin Dougiamas (@moodler) of Moodle and OpenEdTech discusses how the future of education is 100% free and open source and the steps OpenEdTech is taking to get us there.


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What is unschooling?

Educational innovation is happening all over the US.  But where?  

How can you find who and what are behind those inspirational models of educational change?

Learn the answers to these questions and more as Kerry McDonald from the Foundation for Economic Education talks about how she finds, studies and highlights shining lights of educational innovation around the country - and the world.


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Join us as Gever Tulley talks about his work at SF Brightworks, a project-based, student-driven learning center.

Gever founded Tinkering School in 2005, one of the earliest camp programs to focus on empowering children with tools. While the world focused on stunning images of children building amazing things, he was quietly handing over the running of the camp to the children. That collaboration was the inspiration for SF Brightworks, a school that is co-created with the students. Brightworks explores the world through the Arc Pedagogy, a framework for collaborative learning. Along the way, he wrote 50 Dangerous Things (you should let your children do), launched the Mars program which brings authentic NASA-inspired rover experiences to classrooms around the world, and is currently piloting GapLab, an immersive experience which helps students transitioning from high school reconnect with their best learning selves.

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Alec Resnick of Powderhouse in Somerville, MA shares their struggles in creating an innovative new school within the Somerville school district and the next steps after that plan fell through.

Today, Powderhouse is a center for incredible learning.  Though operating separately from the school district, Alec and his team believe it is possible for all schools to create learning centers with the same level of equitable access that our public schools have.  All the while providing excellent educational opportunities for the youth of today.


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Erich Stephen is back to talk about how important relationship building is to classroom management, what's been happening in his life, and more.


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Hear from Matt Beaudreau founder of three Acton Academy Schools in Placer County, California.

Want to be a part of MASSIVE educational change?

Listen as Matt shares what sets Acton Academies apart from traditional school.

Follow Matt @mattbeaudreau

Visit https://www.actonplacer.com/ to learn more.


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Mark Brown felt like the only true way to help children learn was to break free of public education and start his own school.  Five years ago he founded Headwaters Academy, a private school in Ontario, Canada.  Headwaters students consistently perform two academic grade levels above their peers. Listen in to hear the innovative way Headwaters guides kids to drive their own learning.  

Website: http://headwatersacademy.ca/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadwatersAcademy

Instagram: AcademyHeadwaters

Schools that inspired the "model" of Headwaters Academy:

  • Green School Bali

  • Coast Mountain Academy

Books:

  • Weapons of Mass Instruction: A Schoolteacher's Journey Through the Dark World of Compulsory Schooling by John Taylor Gatto

  • How Children Fail by John Holt

People:

  • Alan November

- Who Owns the Learning? (Speech) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAIxIBeT90


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Hear from Ryan Orrock Superintendent of Cody-Kilgore School District in Nebraska on how his district started their own school-run grocery store nearly a decade ago, and how they support it today.

Link to the Circle C Market website

http://www.circlecmarket.com/welcome.html

Email Ryan Orrock for more info at ryan.orrock@cody-kilgore.com 


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Hear a basic breakdown of what Interoperability means, how it applies to our fast approaching "metaverse" future, and the exciting role it will play in education.


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What does it mean to be in control of your own learning data?

How can an employer trust what you say on your resume?

What's a verifiable credential?

All that and more as we explore the frontier of educational technology in this episode on learner sovereignty and how blockchain technology makes it possible.

Links to Whitepapers from the episode:

Connected Impact

Whitepaper on Interoperable Learning Records

Blockchain Revolution in Education and Lifelong Learning

Taji Kilimanjaro


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Listen to Ungrading champ David Buck as he shares how he does his work, its impact on students, and some of the resources that inspired him to go gradeless.

Here are a couple resources of his own making.

Open Source Book on Ungrading: https://pressbooks.howardcc.edu/ungrading/front-matter/introduction/

Ungrading EdCamp Website: https://ungrading.weebly.com/edcamp.html


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Join the author of The Alliance Way: The Making of a Bully-Free School as she shares how she created a school that is model of inclusion.


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First episode in the Blockchain in Education Series.

What is a distributed ledger?  What is Learner Sovreignty?  How do these things apply to education?

Brief overview before we dive deep!


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Listen to @MrAleoSays and @MrsKaylaDuncan, co-authors of Learning that Transfers from

@CorwinPress as they discuss the work that went into their book.  Learn how we, as educators, can use this book to transform how we teach and how we think about learning.

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Author Chad Dumas comes on the show to talk PLCs and how his book creates an action guide for leaders to create communities centered around Professional Learning. Stay tuned to the end to hear what states and districts are leading the charge.  Mr. Dumas also shares where he sees some of the most exciting research being done right now in education. @ChadDumas


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Here's a sneak peak at what's planned for The Peg Doesn't Fit Season 2.

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Check out this unreleased Season 1 episode with Robert Bajor of Openbadges.org.

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Join Erich and Ryan as they discuss the importance of the educators role. Everyday we have a choice to feed into the negative that surrounds us in the world, or to fight through the difficulties of the teacher's job and strive to make a difference in the world. Join us as we discuss being positive in the workplace with Yancey Sanderson. Yancey Sanderson is a husband and a father of two daughters. He has been in education for 20 years and in administration for 7. He is in his 4th year as a high school principal. His website, yanceysanderson.com is overflowing with positive blog entries on how to not only be a better leader, but how to be a better person in general. On his website, you can subscribe to The Opposite Project newsletter, where his main mission is to try and help people be the opposite of average in their lives.

Yancey's favorite resources:

  1. Mindsets - Carol Dweck
  2. Shane Parrish - Farnam Street Blog https://fs.blog/
  3. The Daily Coach - on SubStack https://thedailycoach.substack.com/
  4. Untangled - Lisa Damour

Yancey Contact: @YanceySanderson

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Join Erich and Ryan as they have a powerful conversation about Restorative Practice with Lee Rush. Restorative practice is much more than a classroom management program. Lee defines it as an emerging social science. Schools with effective Restorative Practice Programs of a restorative culture with in their school. It's more than a culture though. It is a school community. One where everybody belongs and is open to having vulnerable conversations. When a school community is built where people truly know each other and willingly have open conversations about how certain actions make them feel, true progress can be made.

Links:

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Lee is the Executive Director of justCommunity, Inc. a non-profit organization based in Quakertown, PA. justCommunity provides training and consultation services to communities, schools and organizations in the area of youth development, community mobilization strategies, student assistance programs and restorative practices. A current board member for the National Association of Community and Restorative Justice, Lee also serves as a consultant with Designed Learning, Inc. and has studied with Designed Learning’s founder Mr. Peter Block to learn facilitative skills using A Small Group methodology. Lee is also a certified trainer for the International Institute for Restorative Practices (IIRP), the world’s first graduate school dedicated solely to Restorative Practices. Through his work with IIRP and justCommunity, Lee has trained over 30,000 people throughout the United States and abroad.

In 2004, Lee was appointed by Governor Ed Rendell (D-PA), to serve as a member of the statewide Advisory Commission on Children and Families, an inter-disciplinary group to provide guidance to the Governor’s senior cabinet members on public policy issues involving families and child and youth issues. In 2013, Lee was also honored as the 2013 National Prevention Advocate by the Community Anti-Drug Coalitions of America (CADCA). CADCA is the country’s largest advocacy group working on behalf of over 5,000 members to prevent substance abuse.

Lee served as the Executive Director of the National Student Assistance Association (NSAA), (a membership driven organization devoted solely to enhancing the development of SAP's across the country), from 1995 to 2008. NSAA presently has 17 state chapters and represents the interests of thousands of professionals in the student assistance field. He was a co-founder of the Pennsylvania Association of Student Assistance Professionals (PASAP), and served as a charter board member, treasurer and membership chair from 1989-1993.

Also, in 1981 Lee was certified as a national field representative for the New Games Foundation, a non-profit educational organization that provided trainings and seminars throughout the country on cooperative play and community building. Lee and his wife Kathy live in Perkasie, PA.

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Join us as we discuss a profound tweet by Alfie Kohn.  We discuss the importance of treating students like people and not just "things" to give information to and behave the way we want.

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Join Erich and Ryan as they have a dynamic interview with Jake Miller.  Though much of the episode is about Jake's experience as a education technology leader, we also discuss important lessons he has learned about reaching students.  Listen in as we discuss the importance becoming tech ambidextrous, developing rapport with students, and how to find balance between career and personal life.  Jake also shares with his some of his favorite tech tools and reminds teachers that they don't need to learn all the tools, but to find the one that works for them and master it.  To learn more about Jake, you can find him on all social media platforms as jakemillertech, go to his website at jakemiller.net. or find his podcast, EduDuctTape.

Books and resources he recommends:

Drive by Daniel Pink--all time favorite book for educators.

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Join us as we discuss a profound tweet by Natalie Vardabasso.  We discuss the importance of open ended tasks and discuss the idea that often times students can come up with ideas that teachers never even thought of.

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Ryan is out on vacation this week so Erich is running the show solo. Join him as he discusses the importance of parental involvement at school. Too often parents are only really included in their child's education when something goes wrong. What if we made a conscious effort to connect with parents as partners in their child's education. In today's episode, Erich visits with Doctor Robert Zeitlin about different ways to help parents feel connected at school.

Dr. Robert Zeitlin has dedicated the last 20 years to raising his kids, helping the children under his care, and working with parents to raise the children that the future needs. With his wife Betsy, Robert has raised two amazing teens who are kicking ass and taking names. Working in schools, with parents in his community, and through his practice, Robert has maximized his background in Clinical Psychology to create family and school cultures that produce courageous leaders and communicators.

In addition to his work as a psychologist, Dr. Zeitlin has authored two books.

"But I'm Not a Teacher! A Parent's Guide to Learning Under Lockdown" emphasizes the role that parents can play in their kids' learning journey, resisting the pressure to treat them like robots, clearing the way to rekindle a love of learning rather than complying with an emphasis on grades and pleasing teachers, and taking care of themselves (parents as models) in a holistic, 360 degrees way (sleep, mindfulness, movement, screen time, etc.) in order to handle the challenges of working from home/virtual learning.

"Laugh More, Yell Less: A Guide to Raising Kick-Ass Kids" is a call-to-action for parents who are willing to change their family culture from the inside-out, hacking the relational energy in their house, zooming in and zooming out, providing a protective space for their kids to have their feelings, and taking calculated risks to "go out on a limb" to flex their own superpowers.

Additional resources Dr. Zeitlin recommends are as follows:

  • The Relational Book for Parenting
  • The Coaching Habit
  • A blog post written by Dr. Zeitlin: What is School (Really) For?

For more information about Dr. Zeitlin, visit his website at https://robertzeitlin.com/

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This weeks tweet comes from Ted Dintersmith.  His twitter profile reads as follows: Author, film producer, and venture philanthropist.  As an education goes, so goes democracy.  Trusts and respects teachers.  Big baseball fan.  If you like what he has to say give him a follow @dintersmith. If you ever come across a tweet you feel we should feature, retweet it to the hashtag #thepegdoesntfit.  If we choose your tweet, not only will we share our thoughts on the tweet, but we will give you the credit for finding it.  Feel free to put your thoughts in the retweet and we will share them on the show.


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Join Ryan and Erich as they discuss the power of collaborating with colleagues and including student voice within your teaching.  In today's episode, Dr. Housen discusses how she has created a PBL math class collaboratively with 2 other teachers at her school.  The power of teaching math project based is that it creates student ownership over learning.  Listening to her discuss student motivation and growth in her class was truly inspiring.  We hope you get as much out of our discussion as we did from having it.  

Here is a list of books and resources that Monica left us with:

https://www.kqed.org/mindshift

https://www.gettingsmart.com/

Leading Adult Learning by Drago Seversen

Designed to Learn by Lindsay Portnoy

Anything by Sir Ken Robinson

The innovators Mindset by ?George Koros

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Join Erich and Ryan as they discuss an insightful tweet from @robertkaplinsky.  His tweet touches on the idea of if we are teaching the right math or not.  Math is certainly an important life skill and students need to understand their math, but do they really need Geometry, Algebra 2, and Calculus?  Join us as we discuss this ever important topic.  We'd love to hear your thoughts as well.  If we say anything you agree or disagree with, hit us up through email, twitter, or voicemail.

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Join Erich and Ryan as they discuss alternative ways to managing student behavior.  This week's guest is Kim Hopkins. Ms. Hopkins is an independently licensed clinical social worker who has specialized in working with behaviorally challenging kids for more than 20 years.  She has managed the clinical departments of two organizations serving youth and families in residential facilities, foster homes, therapeutic day schools, and homeless shelters.  She has been a Collaborative & Proactive Solutions (CPS) Trainer since 2007 helping schools, residentials, hospitals, and parents to successfully implement the CPS Model.  Ms. Hopkins is also the Director of Outreach & Communication for Dr. Ross Greene’s non-profit, Lives in the Balance.  Visit the website for all of Dr. Greene's resources at https://www.livesinthebalance.org/. 

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Join Erich and Ryan as the discuss a powerful tweet about parental voice from @Mr_Ankrum.  Way to often parental voice id discounted and not heard.  We must listen to our parents and form true partnerships with them to help their students be successful in school.  This is applicable to teacher practice in terms of listening to students as well.  Teacher's and administration often discount student voice when addressing student misbehavior in the classroom as well.  All voices must be taken into consideration when working with students.  For more information about Mr. Ankrum follow him on Twitter or visit his website at raymondankrum.com.

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Join Erich and Ryan as they discuss effective leadership in school. Key points discussed in this episode include making and living a successful vision, how to create collective efficacy, how to inspire motivation, and Daniel's core message to other leaders. In addition to all of the insightful information Daniel shared during our interview, he also listed some of his favorite books. To further your knowledge on effective leading, Daniel left us a few book recommendations: A Beautiful Constraint by Adam Morgan and Mark Barden, Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl, The Art of Possibility by Ben Zander, and Thanks for the Feedback by Douglas Sone and Sheila Heen. Additionally, Daniel has a Better Leaders Better Schools Book list that can be found on his website.

Daniel Bauer is the Chief Ruckus maker at Better Leaders Better Schools (BLBS).

He launched the BLBS Podcast in September 2015 (Apple or Spotify). With over one million downloads, the BLBS show is the most influential podcast available for educational leaders. In 2016, he changed how professional development for school leaders is offered through the structure of a mastermind, which is built on the ABCs of powerful professional development™ (authenticity, belonging, and challenge). In 2017, Daniel launched The School Leadership Series, his second podcast which amplifies the diverse voices in school leadership today (Apple or Spotify).

He is the author of The Better Leaders Better Schools Roadmap, which released as an Amazon #1 new release and is currently working on The Mastermind: Unlocking the Potential Within Every School Leader. Daniel’s “Just Cause” is “to connect, grow, and mentor every school leader who wants to level up.” Engaging in the content he produces and sharing with other educators helps move his Just Cause forward.

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This weeks bonus episode comes from @PeterMDeWitt.  He is a leadership coach/facilitator of workshops/author. Ed Week blogger. Moderator - A Seat @ the Table.  Former teacher and principal.  Join us as we discuss the power of doing learning walks with teachers rather than to them. If you want to be featured on one of our Tweet of the Week Bonus Episodes, tag your tweet or retweet an inspirational tweet to #thepegdoesntfit.


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Join Erich and Ryan as they discuss with Risa Bennett how PearDeck can transform the way you teach.  PearDeck was created by teachers for teachers.  It is an amazing total participation tool that allows teachers to check their students understanding in a fun and motivating way for students.  If you aren't sure if PearDeck is for you, scroll to the bottom of the episode notes for an exclusive free 90 day trial for our listeners.

PearDeck Resources

Short, premade lessons with PearDeck and content partners: https://www.peardeck.com/orchard

PearDeck remote learning resources: https://www.peardeck.com/remote-learning

PearDeck's weekly webinar schedule: https://www.peardeck.com/learn-pear-deck

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For our listeners only, and exclusive upgrade code for 90 days of PearDeck Premium: https://bit.ly/3ojKY8g

PearDeck's 5 Pillars of teaching:

Tackle tenacity

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This is Ryan's turn to take an episode to discuss his dream school.  Though he perhaps didn't hit all of his points, its a chance for our listeners to peek inside his brain and have a chance to see what he dream school could look like.   If you are doing any outside the box ideas or simply want to reach out and let us know what you think about the show, email us, tweet us, or leave us a voicemail. Email: thepegdoesntfit@gmail.com Show twitter: @thepegdoesntfit Erich's Twitter: @erichjstephen Ryan's Twitter: @RyanDBartel1 Voicemail Link: anchor.fm/thepegdoesntfit


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Join Erich and Ryan as they discuss a little technology with Todd Flory. Though Todd does use a lot of technology as a teacher, the episode goes far deeper than the technology alone. He discusses his teaching pedagogy and how he uses technology to enhance it. A few of our favorite components are how he uses a strategy known as genius hour to get the students activated into the unit, his design thinking strategy for teaching the content, and how he uses his projects to create lasting learning with the students by personalizing the learning and developing empathy.

Shout out to @tlceducate for the tweet of the week. Special thanks to Danny Wilks (@dwilkssea) for the kind words about Episode 15.

Links for today's show:

Genius Hour: https://geniushour.com/

Additional information about the Sustainable Development Goals: https://worldslargestlesson.globalgoals.org/

Todd's Article: https://www.edsurge.com/news/2020-05-11-what-schools-reopen-it-shouldn-t-be-business-as-usual

Article from @cultofpedagogy: https://www.cultofpedagogy.com/do-something/

Todd's Website: https://toddflory.wordpress.com/

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Taking a week off from our interviews and taking some time to dream.  In this episode, Erich discusses what his dream school might look like. His dreams are big and time was limited  so he surely has not shared all of his thoughts, but check out this episode to get a sample size of his vision for the perfect school. @thepegdoesntfit thepegdoesntfit@gmail.com @erichjstephen @RyanDBartel1 anchor.fm/thepegdoesntfit


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This is our first episode in our technology series.  We initially sought out Ross to discuss advantages and disadvantages of schools using open source technology.  However, as we interviewed Ross, we quickly learned that Ross is far more than a open source software developer.  This episode is the essence of this show.  Through his demonstration of his Free Learning Software, Ross showed us a glimpse of how technology can transform what education looks like.  Though you may not feel confident in using his software, this show can open your eyes to the possibility of what education can become.

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Website: rossparker.org

Gibbon website: gibbonedu.org

Gorilla PD Website: gorillapd.org

Tweet of the week comes from @drBradJohnson

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In this episode, David Frangiosa shares his experience developing his gradeless system.  Through our conversation David brings up some insightful ideas about cognitive load theory, the importance of proactive communication with parents, and the importance of normalizing failure.  David closes the show with a powerful formative assessment strategy of the week.  For more information about David, check out his website at reimaginedschools.com.  He and Elise Burns are releasing a book in March describing their program entitled Going Gradeless: Shifting the focus to Student Learning.

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Join Ryan and Erich for their second episode on their series on grades.  During this episode, Ryan and Erich had the pleasure to visit with Johanna Brown.  Johanna is a Chemistry teacher from Pullman Washington who has been granted the autonomy from her district to experiment with moving away from a letter grade system to use a feedback method of grading.   She brought some really good insight to the show about why letter grades are not a good measure of learning and how her students have risen to the challenge of her feedback based system.  Even if you work in a district where moving away from letter grades is not an option, you will still find value in listening to how she uses feedback in her classroom.   Resources from Johanna: Websites: cultofpedagogy.com and teachersgoinggradeless.com Book: Ungrading: Why Rating Students Undermines Learning (and what to do instead) By Susan D. Blum.  Johanna is also part of an online book study for this book on twitter.  Their first chat is December 19th at #ungrading Tweet of the week comes from @chrisemdin Strategy of the Week: Having students keep a "Thinking Document."  From Johanna's description this is a fabulous strategy to help foster inquiry based learning. Email: thepegdoesntfit@gmail.com Erich's Twitter: @erichjstephen Ryan's Twitter: @RyanDBartel1 Check out our new twitter page @thepegdoesntfit.  Whether it sticks around or not will depend on if you, our listeners, want to follow :) If you want to share a tweet of the week you can hash tag #thepegdoesntfit or you can mention us @thepegdoesntfit Want to hear your voice on the podcast? Leave us a voicemail at anchor.fm/thepegdoesntfit


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What does a letter grade really tell us?  Does it tell us if a student mastered the content or does it tell us a student finished all the work and behaved appropriately.  Join us as we begin a new series of episodes on grading students.  The traditional letter grade system, like so many other things in education, is something we do because we have always done it.  Throughout the course of these episodes we will discuss our frustrations with this current system and explore alternative methods for grading students.  In our first episode, we have the privilege of meeting with Cory Henwood about his experiences with competency based grading.  Cory is a speaker, consultant and coach.  Additionally, he is the Innovation Coordinator for Iron County School District in Cedar City Utah where he founded  Launch High School, a new high-tech school focused on entrepreneurship, design thinking, and personalized, competency-based education.  He has also recently started directing Iron County School District's Online Education Programs.  He brought a wealth of experience and knowledge to the show and we hope you enjoy listening to him as much as we enjoyed talking to him. Additional information about Cory Website: coryhenwood.com twitter: @CoryHenwood TEDx Talk: The Empowering Future of Education: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_M6LuABO48&feature=emb_logo Information about the mastery transcript consortium: https://www.the74million.org/article/the-mastery-transcript-consortium-has-been-developing-a-gradeless-transcript-for-college-admissions-this-fall-it-gets-its-first-test/ Tweet of the week comes from @yanceysanderson Strategy of the week:  We asked Cory to leave us with a strategy of the week and he left us with a vision for teaching excellence.  Rather than give us a strategy, he talked about teachers working side by side with students on purposeful projects as co-designers.  We asked him for a strategy and he gave us a pedagogical shift.  Thank you for your insight Cory. Contact us thepegdoesntfit@gmail.com Erich's twitter: @erichjstephen Ryan's twitter: @RyanDBartel1 Do you have it a tweet of the week?  Retweet it with our hashtag at #thepegdoesntfit Leave us a voicemail at anchor.fm/thepegdoesntfit


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Join us for our final episode of the 21st Century Learning Design Model.  This week, Erich and Ryan talk about the importance of making Real World Problem Solving projects in class.  The most important component in this model is providing students the opportunity to present their solutions to people outside of their classroom who have the power to implement the proposed solutions the students have come up with.

Tweet of the week comes from @fastcrayon.

Strategy of the week is having students repeat back daily learning objectives in their own words.  Great strategy to ensure all students know exactly what they will be expected to learn each day.

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Join Ryan and Erich as they discuss the 21st Century Learning Design topic known as Knowledge Construction.  Educators must move away from the concept of being the sole providers of information to their students.  Instead, educators should plan lessons in a way that set students up to uncover their own knowledge.  Allowing students to construct their own knowledge with intentional planning from the teacher will set students up to be life long learners and ultimately develop into productive members of society. Tweet of the week comes from @johannabrown.  Johanna is a tremendous twitter resource and we encourage all of you to follow her for amazing educational resources.  Strategy of the week is a double whammy: reciprocal teaching (effect size .74) and inquiry based instruction. Email: thepegdoesntfit@gmail.com Facebook: Facebook.com/thepegdoesntfit Voice Mail: Anchor.fm/thepegdoesntfit Erich's Twitter: @erichjstephen Ryan's Twitter: @ryandbartel1 If you find any inspiring tweets, retweet them and hashtag us at #thepegdoesntfit https://education.microsoft.com/en-us/learningPath/e9a3beec


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Join Ryan and Erich as they continue their discussion on the Microsoft's 21st Century Learning Design Learning Path.  This week's topic is ICT (Information and Communications Technology).  The 5 stage rubric is discussed with an emphasis on reaching Levels 4 and 5 of the rubric.  Scoring a level 4 or 5 entails completing projects in the class that cannot be done without technology and producing authentic products for an audience.

Tweet of the week comes from @ajcanle.  Strategy of the week is using onenote to collaboratively take notes with the class and then distributing the notes to all students so they have a copy of the notes.

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Join Erich and Ryan as they embark on the Self-Regulation module of the 21st century learning design online course.  Allowing students choice in how they learn information is a tremendous strategy in creating life long learners.  The problem is that many students are not ready to self-regulate.  Erich and Ryan not only discuss the module in depth, but offer solutions on how to help students learn to start self regulating their education.


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Join Erich and Ryan as they begin the show with a tweet about the unpopular opinion that students don't need to go to school for 5 days a week to learn.  Then listen as they transition into a conversation about collaboration.  To guide their conversation they reference the collaboration module of Microsoft's 21st Century Learning Design learning path.

Weekly tweet comes from @Marie_from_NJ

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Join Ryan and Erich as they discuss the need for a new way of teaching.  Covid has spring boarded education into a new way of instructional delivery.  As schools across the district have students returning to school for face to face instruction, how can we ensure we continue using many of the powerful tools we learned about teaching while being forced to teach remotely.  Ryan and Erich introduce adopting a 21st Century Learning Design Model.  This episode is a preview into a series of episodes that will each focus on different components of that design model.

Microsoft 21st Century Learning Design Microsoft Path: https://education.microsoft.com/en-us/learningPath/e9a3beec

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Join Ryan and Erich as they discuss the limitations of teacher evaluations and offer some suggestions for more effective teacher evaluation implementation.  The focus is on a growth model and not so much geared in a "gotcha manner."  We believe evaluations should be viewed as a formative tool to improve teaching rather than a summative approach to overall teaching ability.  

Links referenced in podcast:

https://www.frontlineeducation.com/blog/students-evaluating-teachers/

https://www.edutopia.org/article/tips-principals-better-teacher-evaluations

https://www.edutopia.org/article/5-ways-improve-teacher-evaluation-systems

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Erich and Ryan briefly talk about the current state of professional development and why it isn't working.  Showing trust in staff members and offering opportunity for staff to lead professional development is offered as a solution.  

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Join Erich and Ryan as they discuss Remote Learning and how it fits into the the current state of education.  Today's synchronous model of education certainly imposes limits on Remote Learning, but there are some things that can be done to blend an asynchronous remote model within the existing system.


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Co Hosts Ryan Bartel and Erich Stephen give a brief overview of the concept of the show.  Check back often to follow us as we discuss our frustrations with the current state of education and introduce possible solutions.


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