The Dauntless Grace Exchange: Recent Episodes
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Each week on the Dauntless Grace Exchange podcast, Deedra Mager and Megan Hall chat with Christian women about their faith, their fears, their victories, and their struggles in the hopes to connect women to a meaningful story.
We dropped our first episode of this pandemic podcast four years ago this week, and today we are celebrating that! We're talking about some of our favorite guests, series, and episodes, and also giving you more behind-the-scenes discussions about what goes into making each episode. Plus: find out what is next for us!
Amber Runyan returns to the podcast to discuss how complex trauma can affect how people understand the parts of themselves. Listen to her give practical tips on how to use coping skills to return to the present moment in order to understand what our protector parts are doing.
Amber Runyan is a 23 year old enneagram nine! She is currently in her last semester of my Masters of Social Work program through Aurora University. She works for Eden’s Glory where she is a Resident Assistant, Clinical Intern, and Intake Coordinator. Amber has the privilege of walking alongside survivors both in adult residential program and through therapy with minors. Her fun fact is that she is blessed with a BIG family; she has 13 siblings!
You can learn more about Eden's Glory at https://edensglory.org
Deedra's husband Paul joins us today to discuss his journey through learning about the Enneagram and IFS! You don't want to miss hearing his story and why these tools were the keys to unlocking so much more healing in his life.
This is an extra special episode! Deedra and Megan were interviewed on Tammy Sollenberger's podcast The One Inside about how they use Internal Family Systems in their relationship.
This kicks off a series on IFS in all different kinds of relationships, so don't miss how they talk about it as friends!
You can find Tammy and The One Inside podcast at tammysollenberger.com.
We are still pinching ourselves that we had the honor of speaking with Suzanne Stabile! This conversation is filled with grace, truth, love, and wisdom as we are all figuring out how to live in such a divided society.
As an internationally recognized Enneagram Master, Suzanne has conducted over 500 Enneagram workshops over the past 30 years. She has spoken to College audiences that include Baylor and Drury Universities, Hendrix College, Perkins School of Theology (SMU) and Brite Divinity School (TCU), Formation Gathering 2017 (Harvard Divinity School), Pepperdine Bible Lectures 2017, Seminary of the Southwest, hundreds of churches across America including First Baptist Austin, Highland Park United Methodist, Dallas, First Congregational Church, L.A., Otter Creek Church, Nashville, First Baptist Church, Portland, and teaches in the Baylor Health Care System, in Dallas, in both the Cancer and Transplant Hospitals.Additionally, she has taught at Richard Rohr’s Center for Action and Contemplation and has been a speaker for Conferences offered by the CAC. She taught with Father Rohr to an international audience in Assisi, Italy, on The Enneagram and Paradox. Other events Suzanne has spoken at include The North Texas Conference of the United Methodist Church, Christianity 21, The Festival of Courage and Faith in Greenwich CT, the Emerging Christianity and Telemachus Conferences, the Southwest Regional Gathering of the Disciples of Christ, Laity Lodge and The Apprentice Gathering.Suzanne received her B.S. in Social Sciences from Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas where she also completed additional graduate work in the Schools of Sociology and Theology. She has served as a high school professor, the first women’s basketball coach at SMU after Title IX, and as the founding Director of Shared Housing, a social service agency in Dallas. When she is not on the road teaching and lecturing, Suzanne is at home in Dallas, Texas with her husband Rev. Joseph Stabile, a United Methodist pastor with whom she co-founded Life in the Trinity Ministry and the Micah Center. She is the mother of four children and grandmother of nine: Will, Noah, Sam, Gracie, Elle, Joley, Jase, Piper, and Josie.
Jenna, an enneagram 9, is a recently ordained elder with the Free Methodist Church. She and her family served as Free Methodist World Missionaries in Chiang Mai, Thailand from 2018-2021. Now she considers herself a missionary stateside and is planting a micro-church in Iowa City, Iowa alongside some of her best friends. When not working on her church plant, Jenna is a wife of 16 years to her husband Keith and mom to 2 amazing boys! She enjoys cycling in her free time or curling up on the sofa with a good book and her dog!
Former guest Hope Mackenzie returns today to discuss how she engages in community, policy, and political conversations as an enneagram 3!
We brought returning guest Reverend Ginger Coakley to the pod today to discuss how she engages politically as an enneagram 5!
We also define what we mean by politics, social justice, and the role the church is called to play.
Deedra (enneagram 1) and Megan (enneagram 4) talk about how they engage in conversations during the election season, and what things hold them back and what spur them forward.
This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Taylor Cassidy is an Emmy nominated host and Streamy award-winning content creator who gained notoriety from her online series “Fast Black History” which taught Black history to her audience of millions accompanied by her quick wit and strong passion. She is part of the 2024 Forbes 30 Under 30 class and has been featured in Teen Vogue’s 2021 21 under 21 list. Taylor is currently a correspondent on Nickelodeon’s Nick News and became the first youth speaker at the United Nations International Day of Remembrance of the Victims of Slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade. She attends New York University for Film and TV where she is studying to be a television screenwriter. Generous with sharing motivation and good energy online, she is fervent in encouraging others to dream bigger for themselves.
Follow Taylor Cassidy on YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok.
This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Courtney says, "I’m a writer, a social worker, and a solo mom to two extraordinary teenage girl humans. I love being active outdoors, being helpful in my community, and inspiring healthy relationships at work and at home."
This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Pastor Kari Morris-Guzman has been an ordained elder in the Free Methodist Church for 24 years. She is currently serving at The Avenue Church in Riverside, CA as a volunteer pastor. She is beginning a certification program in August to become a spiritual director. She has a bachelors degree in pastoral ministries from Greenville (College) University, and a Master’s of Divinity from Azusa Pacific University.
This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Shayla Sandberg is a mama of two and a preschool teacher in the St. Louis Metro-east. She is an enneagram three, track coach, and big believer in personal growth.
This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Dani Wilson is a creative compassionate who tries to see and expose the light in the world and our connections to one another. They are a transmasculine nonbinary person who identifies as bisexual and holds a graduate degree in public health from Saint Louis University. These things, along with their history of attempting to fight for the places of the underprivileged in their former church community, have fostered a lifelong passion for fighting for the disadvantaged and overlooked. Currently, Dani works as a research specialist at the Missouri Institute of Mental Health and focuses their energy on engagement with youth and other underserved populations.
This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Joani and her husband pastored at a West County Church in St. Louis for 18 years. During this time they also led short term mission trips around the world with teams from their church. In 2004 the Lord opened their eyes to what was happening in the city of St. Louis Refugees from the wars going on in the Middle East and Africa were pouring into our city only 20 minutes from their house.
After visiting with some of these families their needs were pretty evident. The Lord directed them to leave their positions at the church. By miraculous intervention they bought a building in South City by Bevo Mill in 2006 and started reaching out and loving and helping the new refugees that were coming into the city.
Some of the help Oasis provides: furniture, household items, clothing, baby showers for new moms, English and Citizenship classes, monthly community BBQ's, help in finding jobs, utility and rental assistance, good neighbor program.
Since January 2024, 820 families have walked into Oasis for some kind of assistance, 183 families from 33 countries received furniture or household items.
Aseel Thamer and her family are refugees from Iraq and now proud citizens of the United States. She met Joani through Oasis and now works for them and for Youth in Need, all in St. Louis.
You can also find Oasis International and Youth In Need on Facebook or Instagram.
This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Pastor Kristen is passionate about hope, loves Scripture (especially the Old Testament!), and in her free time can be found exploring God's creation, reading, cooking, or thrift-store-shopping. She and her husband have been married 27 years, and together they have 10 children. Their family has been blessed and grown through the miracles of 3 birth children and 7 internationally adopted children from Haiti, Ukraine and Russia.
Pastor Kristen completed her DMin at Northern Seminary with Scot McKnight, focusing on the context of the New Testament. Her MDiv is from Portland Seminary where her studies focused on Ministry Leadership and Spiritual Direction. Kristen also has an MEd in Higher Education Administration, a BS in Chemistry, and a BA in German, all from the University of Idaho. She has authored and contributed to three books ("The Scriptures of Jesus and the Early Church: A Fresh Engagement of the OT" and "The Second Scriptures: The Scriptures about Jesus and the Early Church" - available through the Free Methodist Light + Life Bookstore) and loves mentoring new leaders. You can follow her blog at KristenMarble.com.
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This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Larissa Malone, Ph.D., is an Associate Professor of Social and Cultural Foundations of Education in the Watson College of Education at the University of North Carolina Wilmington (UNCW). Before joining UNCW, she was an Associate Professor and Chair of the Teacher Education Department at the University of Southern Maine and an Assistant Professor at Greenville University. Dr. Malone earned a doctorate in Cultural Foundations of Education at Kent State University, a MA in Education from Walsh University, and a BA in International Studies from Case Western Reserve University. Dr. Malone also holds a primary teacher certification from the American Montessori Internationale and taught early childhood and early elementary grades, as well as served as an administrator in a bilingual community-based school, before joining the ranks of higher education. Dr. Malone’s research centers on the minoritized experience in schooling, inclusive of students, parents, and teachers, and has published in The Journal of Negro Education, Educational Studies, and The Journal of Critical Race Inquiry. She is particularly interested in the intersection of education, race, and tangential disciplines, such as religion, geography, social reproduction, critical race followership, and critical race mothering. Dr. Malone founded Maine Black Educators Collective, a grant-funded organization that holds the mission of supporting Black educators through educational opportunities, social-emotional connection, and advocacy, and received the inaugural Maine Education Association’s 2022 Human and Civil Rights Award for this initiative, as well as grants from the National Education Association Foundation, Maine Initiative's Grants for Change, and the Nellie Mae Education Foundation. Dr. Malone’s greatest joys are spending time with her family, playing/watching tennis, reading, and politics. Her calling in life is to create a more equitable world through the power of education.
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This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Rev. Vanilda Reyes de Noyes is an ordained elder in the Free Methodist Church. She is a proud Dominican-born daughter of Free Methodist pastors and grew up in New York City and Cleveland, Ohio. Vanilda obtained a Bachelor of Arts (Social Work and Psychology) from Greenville University and a Master of Social Work from Washington University in St. Louis. She is a Licensed Independent Social Worker in the state of Ohio. She works in private practice and is also a coach with the Leadership Center. Vanilda is passionate about multiethnic and multigenerational ministry, worship, and the intersection of faith and emotional health. She serves as Assistant Pastor at Iglesia Nueva Vida in Cleveland, Ohio also with her parents and husband Topher. Vanilda and Topher have 3 children and she loves a good cup of coffee, conversation, and has a life-long love of reading.
You can find Pastor Vanilda on Instagram.
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This summer, we are featuring stories from diverse perspectives in order to stir curiosity and compassion for others. While we don’t necessarily endorse every stated view, we stand by each guest as a fellow image-bearer and a human of inherent value. We invite you to listen with an open mind and open heart as you hear the pain, struggle, and triumph of other children of God.
Bethany Abbott is a Free Methodist pastor serving in the rural community of Boswell, Indiana. She is passionate about studying, teaching, and living the truth from God's Word, as well as connecting with and serving alongside her church family. When not serving in the church or community, you'll probably find Pastor Bethany with her nose in a book, among her many houseplants, or up to her elbows in some crafting project. Pastor Bethany also loves hiking and kayaking, and spending time with her family across Indiana and Illinois - especially her three favorite niblings.
You can find Bethany on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bethany.abbott.9
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This summer, The Dauntless Grace Exchange is going to feature stories from people that you may not always encounter. The goal of sharing stories from those outside of the majority is to gain perspective, grow more curious, and stir compassion for people different from us. We hope you stick around all summer to listen!
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Deedra and Megan check in with their own parts and get vulnerable about the tension they each feel. Why do our parts war with each other? Can we hold the both/and within ourselves? How can we take care of the parts of us that feel weary or angry?
(Also, Megan shares why she's still writing about Taylor Swift on social media, and why she's not stopping anytime soon.)
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It's time for part 2! Deedra and Megan jump back into the defense mechanisms of each enneagram type, but this time they correlate them to the protectors and exiles that might be clustered around that defense mechanism.
If you missed part 1, you can find that on Episode 168.
They also referenced the podcast with Enneagram 8 Hilary Mize: Episode 36.
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Deedra and Megan jump back into the defense mechanisms of each enneagram type, but this time they correlate them to the protectors and exiles that might be clustered around that defense mechanism.
And, because they are who they are, they couldn't help but get vulnerable about their own protectors and some things they've experienced since learning about Internal Family Systems (IFS).
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IFS therapist, author, and podcast host of The One Inside is back! Tammy Sollenberger, dear friend of the podcast, has joined us to discuss therapy models she has used in her practice, such as CBT and DBT, and what changed when she learned about Internal Family Systems (IFS).
Plus, for our Patreon subscribers, Tammy goes vulnerable and raw in a follow-up bonus episode.
Check out Tammy's website to see how to engage with her and her amazing content!
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Therapist Malissa Melton-Otunba is back for a part two! In this episode, she briefs Megan on what Concept Therapy is and they discuss how it relates to Internal Family Systems and other therapy models.
For more information on Malissa, listen to episode 165!
Links:
Concept Therapy
Malissa's most recent article
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Therapist Malissa Melton-Otunba joins the podcast this week to discuss why even therapists need to be able to do their own inner work! For Malissa, the enneagram was a life-changing tool that helped her understand herself, especially as a mom and woman.
Malissa is a midwest girl at heart transplanted in Dallas/Fort Worth for the past 20 years. She is active in doing her own work to become who she was created to be. Malissa is a Enneagram 2w1 who loves this current season of her life as an empty nester. She has raised three amazing young adults who are creating their own identities.
Malissa is the owner of FaithworX Counseling & Consulting services where her passion is to empower women to remove limiting beliefs in all areas of their life and uncover who they truly are so they can enjoy the fruits of just being and living on purpose. When Malissa is not teaching and equipping women, she loves to laugh and can be found reading all things metaphysics/brain related, working out with her E2M online community, taking long meditative walks, eating out, binging YouTube and spending quality time with her partner, children, friends, two fur babies and dreaming about the future!
You can connect with Malissa on Facebook or LinkedIn, and you can learn more about FaithworX and Plaid!
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Dr. Alison Cook returns to the podcast for the third time! In it, she discusses her newest book, I Shouldn't Feel This Way, available for pre-order now!
Alison walks us through the three practices for untangling emotions: naming, framing, and braving.
Plus, watch the bonus interview where she answers the question, "What's been left unsaid?" and trust us... you do NOT want to miss her answer as she dives into the difference between spiritual warfare and mental health.
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Author and Hulu documentary subject Anna LeBaron joins Deedra and Megan to share about her life post-cult. Anna's escape at 13 led her on a lifelong healing journey from the trauma she endured, and she opens up about the hardships and blessings of walking it.
Also, don't miss the bonus interview in the DG Community where she answers the question, "What's been left unsaid?" and her tearful response.
Survivor of a violent, polygamist cult; Author of The Polygamist's Daughter: A Memoir (Tyndale, 2017); subject of the recently released 5-episode Hulu documentary called, "Daughters of the Cult." Empty nester + Mother of five grown children and Yaya to one grandchild. Currently pursuing a Masters Degree in Christian Spiritual Formation and Leadership through Friends University (graduation is soon! May 2024); then immediately jumping into a Doctor of Ministry in Formation and Soul Care, also at Friends. She is 55 years old, and only 29 years into her healing journey. Studying the Enneagram helped her immensely (I'm a 2w3--embracing the 1 wing as needed) and she loves Internal Family Systems therapy most of all. She loves helping those who have experienced any kind of childhood developmental trauma or abuse, but especially any kind of religious trauma or spiritual abuse.
You can find Anna on all social platforms @annaklebaron
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Author and therapist Aundi Kolber joins Deedra and Megan today for a beautiful and compassionate conversation about healing from trauma. Aundi's new book, Strong Like Water Guided Journey, is available for pre-order and releases March 26!
You can connect further with Aundi on Instagram, and don't forget that our DG Community members can see a bonus interview where Aundi answers the question, "What's been left unsaid?"
Aundi Kolber is a licensed professional counselor (MA, LPC) and the best selling author of the critically acclaimed "Try Softer” and her newest book "Strong like Water." She has received additional training in her specialization of trauma- and body-centered therapies and is passionate about the integration of faith and psychology. Aundi has appeared on Good Morning America, regularly speaks at national events, and is a frequent guest on podcasts such as The Lazy Genius, Typology, and The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill. As a survivor of trauma, Aundi brings hard-won knowledge about the work of change, the power of redemption, and the beauty of experiencing God with us in our pain.
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Enneagram Eight Jo Saxton joins the conversation to discuss the importance of vulnerability in leadership. Listen as she drops some amazing wisdom about what it looks like to lead from wholeness and integrity.
Plus, for our Patreon subscribers, don't miss the bonus interview where Jo answers the question, "What's been left unsaid?"
Jo Saxton is a speaker, podcaster, and author. She is the founder of the Ezer Collective, an initiative dedicated to investing in women leaders around the world, equipping them to own their voice, and boldly step into their calling. She currently serves as the Executive Director of The 25 (a leadership development initiative) at Bethel University.
Born to Nigerian parents and raised in London,England,Jo now lives in Minneapolis with her husband and two daughters. She loves everyday stuff like good music, good food, and good friends.
You can find her on Facebook and on Instagram/Threads @josaxton.
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Straight from Dallas, Texas, Deedra and Megan drop their exciting news: Dauntless Grace has a new community for you to join!
Head to the Community tab on the website (dauntlessgrace.org) or go straight to the Patreon page to join now!
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Deedra and Megan finish up the conversation from last week on the focus of attention for types Five through Nine, along with some extra stories about Fours (per usual) and how the focuses relate to the passions of the enneagram types.
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Megan and Deedra decide to take it back to some enneagram basics: the focus of attention for each type.
If you're new to the enneagram or still trying to determine which number you are, understanding the focus of attention will go a long way in identifying or confirming yours!
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Yes, we are two days late to drop a Galentine's Day episode. BUT, I think you'll find the episode is worth it.
We spend a lot of time laughing, answering enneagram questions for each other, and we even dive into some enneagram and relationship dynamics you don't want to miss!
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For the first time (somehow), Megan and Deedra go through the defense mechanisms for all nine enneagram types. What are they? What does it mean? How do those relate to Internal Family Systems protectors? How do they self-sabotage? And most importantly, now that we know, where do we go from here?
Plus: the Truity blog we used to discuss these.
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It's episode 155 (not 154, as Megan mistakenly said), and we thought it was time to give you guys the rundown of where we've been and where we're going.
Dauntless Grace has always been focused on connecting you to a meaningful story, and in this episode, we break down what that means.
It's all about connecting to yourself, connecting to others, and connecting to God.
Plus: what's on the horizon for us, and how can you be involved?
Sign up for our mailing list at dauntlessgrace.org!
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This week, Megan's Facebook post about Taylor Swift went viral, and it brought out a lot of parts in others and in herself.
Deedra and Megan use that to discuss:
- Noticing what parts of ourselves are present
- Getting distance to let our Self drive the bus
- Using our words with integrity and kindness
- How social media can be a connector or a divider
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Megan and Deedra combine their two heroes, Taylor Swift and Dr. Brené Brown, into one epic conversation about hope, overwhelm, vulnerability, and connection.
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Besties of the podcast, Meg and Kami, join today's episode to talk about their own words of the year: what they chose for 2023 and how it manifested, and what they're focusing on moving into 2024. Plus, it's always lots of laughs when these four are together!
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The annual words of the year episode is back! Deedra and Megan discuss how their 2023 words finished, and they share their new words for 2024.
What is your word for 2024? Share it with us!
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The both/and we experienced in 2021 stays true today: the world is full of joy and sorrow.
The Christmas season especially magnifies it all: it's a season of awe, wonder, hope, and expectations, but it also holds the tension of exposing sadness, grief, longing, and loneliness. Whatever your circumstances are this season, there is an Emmanuel, God with us, who brings us a hope to carry us through the unmet expectations.
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After a whirlwind tour of Washington DC, New York City, and Boston, Megan and Deedra are back to share how God brings the right people along our paths. Whether it's meeting new friends in person for the first time or ministering to strangers in restaurants, we are wired for connection with others.
Plus, they share exciting news about a former special guest of the podcast!
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Whether you have your head down to get everything done in December, or whether your head is buried under the covers until December is over, Jesus is waiting to encounter you.
Megan and Deedra each share a recent personal story of how Jesus encountered them in a way that brought a new perspective and more healing.
PLUS, you don't want to miss the picture of Deedra as a baby that she talks about. Head on over to dauntlessgrace.org for that gem!
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Tomorrow is Thanksgiving, so Deedra and Megan share how they've been giving thanks in 2023. Gratitude isn't about ignoring the painful parts of life; it's about finding beauty even in the midst of the mundane or sorrowful parts. Each of them shares about their personal eucharisteo list and how it's helped them find joy in new places.
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As we enter into the holiday season, gathering (with family, friends, colleagues, or crowds) is expected. But what if we could turn gatherings into spaces of intention and connection?
Deedra and Megan share some insights they recently heard from Priya Parker, author of The Art of Gathering, and they explain how they've been cultivating these in their friendship all along.
Plus, hear how they set their retreat gatherings to be full of intention and connection for everyone who joins!
Sign up for more retreat info at: https://forms.gle/ebBMkKG5zZKhF8yS8
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Megan and Deedra reminisce about the last three years of The Dauntless Grace Exchange--why it started, what they've learned, and where it's going! They each share some of their favorite episodes and guests, and they had big plans to link all the episodes they discuss in these show notes, but there are just too many!
However, you can find all their episodes in order on their podcast page.
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Megan's daughter Jorie joins Deedra and Megan to discuss the pandemic's impact on this generation's teens. Jorie, a young teen herself, tells her own journey through the pandemic during middle school, discovering she is an enneagram Nine, and what navigating relationships with emotional intelligence is like in high school.
Jorie Hall is a 15-year-old sophomore from the greater St. Louis area. She is involved in drama, speech, literature, and her new school newspaper. She was recently accepted into the National Honor Society.
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What is social emotional learning, and why is it so important? Deedra and Megan break down why they're so invested in this topic. Then they go through each enneagram number and point out natural strengths and weaknesses of each type in regards to social emotional learning.
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Another conversation with one of our favorite guests! Kaitlyn Schiess joined us to discuss her new book, The Ballot and the Bible. We also continue the conversation about moving towards marginalized communities and what we can do as we seek to follow Christ in the tricky culture where we live.
Kaitlyn Schiess is an author, speaker, and perpetual theology student. She is the author of The Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture has been Used and Abused in American Politics and Where We Go from Here (Brazos, 2023) and The Liturgy of Politics: Spiritual Formation for the Sake of Our Neighbor (IVP, 2020). Her writing has appeared at Christianity Today, The New York Times, Christ and Pop Culture, RELEVANT, and Sojourner. She has a ThM in systematic theology from Dallas Theological Seminary and is currently a doctoral student in political theology at Duke Divinity School. She lives in Durham, North Carolina.
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We are so excited to have Jenna Riemersma back with us to discuss her new book, Altogether Us. Jenna doesn't hold back as we talk about everything from polyvagal theory to enneagram to trauma and moving towards marginalized communities. This is one conversation you do NOT want to miss!
Jenna Riemersma is a popular author, speaker, and certified Internal Family Systems therapist whose groundbreaking IFS books have repeatedly topped Amazon’s best-selling new release charts. A Harvard graduate, seasoned clinical director, and dynamic presenter, Jenna speaks to audiences across the globe, offering compelling and innovative solutions to the most challenging mental health issues of our day.
To purchase any of her books or check out what she's up to, go to her website!
And don't forget to listen to Episode 74: IFS & Moving Toward with Jenna Riemersma.
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Counselor and doctoral student Tracy Busse joins the podcast to discuss trauma and polyvagal theory; how they relate to IFS parts; Ignatian spirituality practices; and how she discovered her enneagram number.
Tracy is a professional counselor, writer, teacher, and spiritual director. For the past twenty years, she has provided therapy to children and adult survivors of trauma and human trafficking. She also provides consultation and training to a variety of organizations who serve leaders and marginalized populations. Tracy is currently working on a doctorate in Spiritual Direction at Fuller Theological Seminary where she is exploring the intersect between spiritual formation and neuroscience. Tracy resides in Atlanta, GA and finds delight on her paddle board, hiking, playing the guitar, painting, traveling, and resting in the company of fellow image bearers.
For Tracy's newsletter focused on integration of spiritual formation, neuroscience, and justice, sign up on her website.
For information on Trainings and Consultation visit Ash Tree Center.
You can follow Tracy on Instagram and Facebook.
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Join the conversation today with our guest, Nicki Schoonover, Licensed Master Social Worker and current Director of Field Education for Herzing University Master of Social Work Program. She reminds us that every behavior is trying to communicate something. She offers some tips on how to practice self care to avoid secondary traumatic stress when we work with others who are presenting with trauma responses. Nicki also offers great hope as she explains that, while understanding trauma and its impact is very important, it's also equally important to remember that there is hope! She offers some great definitions of resiliency and post-traumatic growth.
Nicki is a Licensed Master Social Worker, current Director of Field Education for Herzing University Master of Social Work Program. She has a strong passion for adolescent mental health and self care for helping professionals. She loves to be outside, read, and drink coffee. She lives in Greenville, IL with her husband and two-year-old son.
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(Content warning: trafficking, abuse, and the commercial sex industry)
Trafficking survivor Ashley Chesney joins us on the podcast to discuss healing after trauma. She breaks down a little of her own story and then tells us some truths and misconceptions about trafficking, how we can move towrads those with complex trauma, and how there is always hope for a new story.
Ashley Chesney is a Survivor Leader, author, and advocate in the Anti-Trafficking Movement. She is an inspiring speaker and an expert trainer, and SFMB’s new Executive Director. Additionally, Ashley serves as a member of the CSEC (Commercially Sexually Exploited Children) Advisory Board through the National Center of Youth Law. It is through her own journey, she has found healing that she wants to share with others. Ashley is the author of the memoir From the Ashesand she believes that advocacy, connection, and hope are key in guiding other survivors on a path to reclaim their lives after exploitation. She graduated summa cum laude from Cal State University Monterey Bay with her B.A. in Collaborative Health and Human Services from an inter-disciplinary program that held emphasis on nonprofit management and social work. Ashley is a sex trafficking survivor turned thriver.
You can support Ashley's work at her website and by following Set Free Monterey Bay.
Survivor books:
In Pursuit of Love by Rebecca Bender
Runaway Girl by Carissa Phelps
Scars and Stilettos by Harmony Dust
Girls Like Us by Rachel Lloyd
Purchased: Leaving the Sex Trade by Deanna Lynn
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Kelsie Olds, The Occuplaytional Therapist, joins the podcast today to talk about the importance of play - and not just for children! Kelsie addresses misconceptions and truths around what play actually is. We also talk about how we all learn, how we can overcome trauma, and how we can re-parent ourselves through play.
Kelsie is both an occupational therapist and The Occuplaytional Therapist - working offline in elementary schools with children and doing online advocacy with caregivers and professionals.
Find Kelsie on her website or on Facebook!
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Graduate student Amber Runyan joins the podcast to discuss what it's like to journey from theory to application of trauma-informed care. In her own words, Amber says:
"My name is Amber Runyan. I am 22 years old. I just recently graduated with a bachelors degree in social work from Greenville University this past spring. I am currently an RA and program Care Coordinator at Eden’s Glory where I have been working almost a year and half now. I will be starting my MSW program this fall at SIUE. I think that social work and ministry has been a passion of mine long before college but in college is when I really developed a calling to the anti-trafficking field. I come from a large family and am one of 12 kids, eight of which were adopted. Being a big sister and more recently an aunt has been one of my favorite roles. I am an enneagram Nine. I believe being an enneagram Nine in a large family with lots of outside factors has give me a unique skill set and lens into crisis intervention, trauma, and peacemaking."
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Clinical therapist Meghan Reedy joins the podcast today to kick off a new series on trauma. In this episode, Meghan defines trauma, including what the terms "big T Trauma" and "little t trauma" mean for everyone. She also leaves us with some practical ways we can all be a little more trauma-informed in our lives, in relationships, and in working with others.
Meghan is the Clinical Director of Eden's Glory, a restoration program for adult survivors of human trafficking. She is also the founder of their minor's program, Foster Kairos, that provides outpatient therapy and caregiver support for kids who have been trafficked or are at risk. Meghan is a licensed clinical social worker and practices several therapy modalities including Internal Family Systems as well as Brainspotting, a new therapy designed to help people process trauma using their visual field. Meghan is a wife of Phillip, mom of Emilia, coffee lover, beach enthusiast, and an enneagram 3. She believes that God provides real and deep healing and is overjoyed at the opportunity to play a part in His plan in the lives of the women and children she serves!
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Deedra and Megan returned from another Dauntless Grace enneagram retreat, and they recap their favorite things about their retreats, how they got started, and how you can join in on the fun! Also, don't miss their story about staying the night in a literal treehouse in the California redwoods, and why they definitely were not prepared for that adventure.
Show notes:
Get updates on future retreats!
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Join Megan and Deedra as they revisit the first full-length episode of The Dauntless Grace Exchange ever! They give you a behind-the-scenes commentary of episode 2 and add in information you didn't get the first time around. Plus, an update three years later!
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What's the best path toward integration and wholeness for each enneagram type? It's making moves that pull up your repressed center and give you strategic ways to use your connecting lines and widen your focus of attention.
Also, Megan shares her biggest lifetime regret in this episode...and Deedra just laughs. Plus, what they really think about Winnie the Pooh.
Show notes:
Megan's Instagram
Episode 100: The Best of You with Dr. Alison Cook
Episode 74: IFS and Moving Toward with Jenna Riemersma
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Applying Scripture verses like a topical bandage isn't really what we are meant to do with the Bible. However, there is a benefit in knowing what Jesus, the embodiment of the Author of Life, says about who we were created to be.
When we understand how our enneagram triads group us around primary emotions (anger, shame, and fear), we can use those emotions as signals to speak to the exiled parts of ourselves and bring them into new wholeness and re-integration. Jesus intimately understands our core longings, desires, and fears, and he has spoken in compassionate and healing ways to each of those unique pain points.
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It may be a time of celebration of national freedoms, but we don't want to overlook the real freedom we have: the freedom from dis-integration and the freedom to pursue wholeness.
Listen as Deedra and Megan talk about the Pharasaical construct of holiness and how we all can get trapped in a transactional view of God. Also, what did the New Testament mean when it says that everything is "permissible" for believers? The answer lies somewhere in what is holiness versus what is wholeness.
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Deedra and Megan talk through Sabbath in this episode: what is it? why should we practice it? and why might it be different for us all? Then they break it down by enneagram type and give practical suggestions for how to enter into soul rest.
See the graphics at Megan's Instagram.
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Deedra and Megan talk through the rest of the stress signals for enneagram numbers Five, Six, Seven, Eight, and Nine. Plus, they do a deep dive into their personal theories on Eights in stress, and they try their hardest not to talk about Ones and Fours again (but they fail).
Don't miss last week's Episode 127: Enneagram and Stress Signals (part 1)
You can see the whole series on Instagram.
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Deedra and Megan work through the stress signals of enneagram numbers One, Two, Three, and Four. What happens when each number starts to feel stressed? What does it look like to move towards stress numbers?
You can see the whole series on Instagram.
Check back next week for the rest of the numbers!
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Deedra and Megan have a conversation about the relationship between fear and disconnection and how connection is the remedy for... everything. In Aundi Kolber's new book Strong Like Water, she explains how co-regulation keeps us steady, and how we can find that in the with-ness of God, our self, and others.
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Megan and Deedra spend some time processing what life is like post 40, after learning about IFS, and gaining new levels of healing. As they talk about their own journey with parts of themselves, they realize that there is a fine line between resignation and contentment, and sometimes parts that are silent are really failing to thrive.
Notes:
The song Deedra mentioned is on YouTube.
You can find all the authors we discussed (Fr. Richard Rohr, Dr. Hilary McBride, and Dr. Curt Thompson) on our Resources page.
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Deedra and Megan go back to basics in this episode to talk about why they use the enneagram, why they think it's important, and why it doesn't contradict the beliefs of Christians. In fact, the enneagram paired with the Gospel is an incredible tool for sanctification!
Notes:
The Dauntless Grace enneagram page
The Relevant article
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Enneagram teacher Joan Ryan joins the podcast again to discuss the parts of being a Nine, along with so much more! Listen as she explores:
- the trailheads to look for when finding your parts
- the healing messages exiles need to hear
- main differences between Fours and Nines
- how the gut/anger center is similar and different for Eights, Nines, and Ones
- difference in the focus of attention for Twos and Nines
- self-energy versus self-like parts
Joan is a wealth of information, and you don't want to miss her expertise!
Joan Ryan has been teaching the Enneagram to individuals, groups, businesses and organizations for more than 20 years. Using the experience gained in her previous practice as an attorney, she built a Leadership coaching career which expanded into many sectors and internationally. When she found IFS she saw the possibilities of interweaving the two models as a very positive enhancement to both systems. She had the unusual honor of being directly mentored by two of the premier Enneagram teachers, Helen Palmer and the late Dr. David Daniels. Her most recent work with Tammy Sollenberger focuses on the intersections between the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems therapy. She lives in Boston.Notes:
Episode 70: Enneagram and IFS in the Narrative Tradition
IEA Global Conference 2023
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Enneagram Eight Kennedy Shuffett joins the podcast to talk with Megan and Deedra about all the parts she's discovered as an Eight and through some Internal Family Systems (IFS) experiences. She reveals that she first thought she was Two, how she's found some helpful Five parts in seasons of deep stress, and why it's difficult to be a female Eight in our society.
Kennedy is wife to Josiah and dog mom to Ellie and Moses. She holds a Master of Social Work from LSU and currently serves as the Office on Violence Against Women Project Director for Greenville University.
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Corrine Kreamalmeyer jumps on the podcast to talk all things enneagram Seven with Deedra and Megan. Corrine shares her journey in discovering she was a Seven and what she heard that really made it click for her. She also talks a little IFS and about what her Five and One parts look like when they're activated, and how she has some Eight parts that show up as firefighters sometimes.
Corrine is a wife and mom to four girls. She has a degree in Elementary Education, but has been a stay-at-home mom for the last 13 years. She recently added admissions counselor for Greenville University to her resume. She currently spends most days trying to balance soccer, dance, laundry and working. If she could, she would spend more time writing, being with friends and family, and sitting by the ocean.
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Enneagram Six Marissa Swift joins the podcast today and shares a beautiful Internal Family Systems (IFS) moment she had at a recent Dauntless Grace retreat. She also shares what some of her Three and Nine parts feel like for her, and what it means to navigate the world through the lens of planning for what's wrong.
Marissa and her husband Chris have been married for 16 years and have one son. Marissa has worked in higher ed for eight years. In her free time, she loves rooting for St. Louis City FC and coaching her son's soccer team.
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Skye Harmon joins the podcast to discuss what it means to be an enneagram Five. She, Megan, and Deedra talk about the differences between Fours and Fives, what it means to visualize an Internal Family Systems (IFS) experience, and how Skye uses Seven and Eight energy to help herself.
Skye is a self-leadership coach and enneagram 5w4, artist, writer, all-around beauty-seeker, lover of deep conversations and tacos. You can find Skye on her website, Etsy shop, Instagram, and Facebook.
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Carolyn Candela joins Megan and Deedra as they talk about all the parts of being an enneagram Four. They really dig into the nuance of how Fours are different from Twos and Threes, and Carolyn shares some parts she's discovered through her IFS work.
Carolyn Candela is a Yoga Instructor and Life Coach located in Bend, Oregon. Carolyn's mission is to help disconnected humans live full and embodied lives through connecting to the seasons and cycles of nature. Carolyn is an Enneagram 4w3. She enjoys using the Enneagram to better understand and connect with her clients. In her free time, Carolyn enjoys reading about and studying topics that interest her (The Enneagram, Human Design, psychology, and health & wellness to name a few!), exploring nature, practicing any type of movement (yoga, dance, etc.), writing, and pursuing new creative outlets.
You can find Carolyn on Instagram.
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Enneagram Three Lauren Vardaman joins Deedra and Megan on the podcast to talk about her journey being a Three and discovering some principles of Internal Family Systems (IFS) for her own healing. Lauren's story encompasses infant loss and miscarriage, and she reveals why learning about being a Three made so much sense as she looks at her grieving process and how she uses her tasking managers to make her way forward.
Lauren is a 36-year-old wife to Lars and mama to one spunky five-and-three-quarters year old boy named Beau and two children in heaven named Ellis and Aster. She currently works in compensation consulting but has a diverse job history, from running beer festivals to working the expo floor at a national cable providers conference. She lives in Fort Myers, Florida, home of the recent largest hurricane in Florida history. Her happy place is the beach, and her angry place is on any road in Southwest Florida.
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Deedra's youngest daughter Lela joins the podcast today to talk about being an enneagram Two and some amazing Internal Family Systems (IFS) experiences she's had. The conversation flows from identifying parts of herself in her wings and connecting lines to how amazing God is at giving her a fairy tale glimpse of his love for her.
Lela Mager is an enneagram Two, a college student, and an artist in residence with Zion Dance Project.
Check out her previous episode, along with her sisters, on Episode 87: Enneagram & Relationships: Hope, Sav, & Lela
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Enneagram One Randi McSpadden joins Megan and Deedra to discuss the constellation of parts for her type and how she sees her wings and stress and security lines in action.
Randi and her husband Mike have been married for 25 years and have three amazing children. Randi has been in HR with Ascension Health for over 12 years and currently is the Manager of Associate Success. Her team focuses on eliminating onboarding barriers and creating growth pathways for new associates while improving retention within their first 90 days. In her free time, she loves to tuck away in her sewing room with a good podcast and work on her latest quilt project.
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Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapist and podcast host Tammy Sollenberger is back to talk about one of her favorite topics: IFS and the enneagram! Tammy, Megan, and Deedra discuss using the enneagram as a map to find parts of ourselves. Every person has a constellation of parts that begin with their core enneagram number and include their wings and connecting lines. You don't want to miss this introductory episode to this brand-new series!
Concepts discussed in this episode developed by Joan Ryan and Tammy Sollenberger. You can find Tammy on Instagram and Facebook, and check out her podcast, The One Inside, wherever you listen! You can also purchase her book, The One Inside: 30 Days to Your Authentic Self.
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This week we're dropping a day early to celebrate Valentine's Day with you! But we also choose to celebrate the gal pal holiday (thanks to Park and Rec) Galentine's Day. In honor of February 13, we decide to play an on-air game of Let's Get Deep: Friends Edition by asking each other questions from the cards!
Real talk: we don't get super deep, but we do get to tell some funny friendship stories, and we answer the following:
- Are any of your belongings lost right now?
- What movie made the biggest impression on you?
- What conspiracy theories do you believe in?
- If you had to wear an outfit every day for the rest of your life, what would it be?
- What is the most expensive thing you’ve broken?
- When was the last time you laughed so hard you cried?
- What reality TV or game show do you think we should do together?
Plus, check out dauntlessgrace.org to see the ridiculous picture and edits we discuss in the episode. We're still laughing.
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Deedra and Megan do what they do best today: talk about something they've recently discovered and how it plays with the enneagram! Today is all about attachment styles. Attachment styles are part of relationship theories about how infants receive care, attention, and affection from a caregiver. But our attachment styles play out all the time in our intimate adult relationships. In this episode, we define the four attachment styles, discuss how they relate to enneagram stances from last weekend, and offer a working theory on which numbers could identify with which attachment styles.
Do you agree? Disagree? We want to hear from you! What is your enneagram number, and what is your most prominent attachment style? You can drop a comment on our Facebook page, our website, or on Megan's Instagram.
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On today’s episode, Deedra and Megan discuss enneagram stances in a new way. In episodes past, they’ve taught stances as grouping enneagram numbers by which center of intelligence is repressed. While that’s still a true part of stances, they now also agree that stances can be defined by our relational energy. Also, as part of the discussion, they consider how stance energy can also be used in our relationship to God and how sin is still more a part of the diSINtegration of our beings rather than simply a behavior we need to stop.
For more information on the enneagram, visit https://dauntlessgrace.org. Graphics for stances can be found at Megan's Instagram.
Check out Episode 13: Enneagram Structure Overview for an introduction to enneagram stances.
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Last year we offered an episode straight from Highway 44--a road trip recap for our listeners! But today we have for you a recap of our recent cruise to the Bahamas. But don't worry; we aren't here just to talk about paradise islands and having fun on the cruise deck. Instead, we're offering a vulnerable look into how each of us prepared ourselves mentally and emotionally, with IFS and enneagram work, for a week's vacation and the return to real life.
Episode 58: Road Trip Edition
For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
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Megan and Deedra dive back into the roots of Dauntless Grace: discovering the narrative we script for ourselves to protect ourselves from pain. In this conversation, they unpack: what shame means according to Dr. Curt Thompson; Father Richard Rohr's description of "the cult of innocence" and repentance; how we stay asleep to our ego selves; and how we all strive to hide, not heal, our shadow selves.
For more information on the enneagram, go to https://dauntlessgrace.org.
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We are continuing the words of the year discussion with some voicemails and messages from our listeners! Words of the year aren't magical; as Deedra and Megan have talked about each year, words simply provide a focal point as we move through our years. It's a way to focus on the Lord and on showing ourselves more compassion and growth despite the circumstances that come our way. Take a listen to what some of our listeners have to say about it!
As always, check out https://dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
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Megan and Deedra discuss their words of the year (dance and play, respectively) for 2022 and what they looked like for them. They also reveal their new words for 2023! Do you have a word of the year chosen? What is it?
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Instead of the normally heavy Christmas episode you've come to expect from us, we decided to have some laughs this year! Deedra and Megan discuss their favorite Christmas movies--and which ones rank at the bottom of the list. Will you be surprised by what they each choose? Which obscure movies have you heard of? And most importantly, what's YOUR favorite Christmas movie? Let us know at dauntlessgrace.org!
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We're back with the finale of our subtype conversation. As we discussed in the introduction, there are three subtypes for every enneagram number, based on the three instincts (self-preservation, social, and sexual). In this episode, we talk through the subtypes and countertypes for Enneagram Fives, Fours, Threes, Twos, and Ones. Plus, Deedra and Megan process on air about their own subtype stacking and how it's changed for them as they've learned more.
If you haven't listened yet, start with Episode 103: Intro to Subtypes
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We're back with a continuation of our subtype conversation. As we discussed in the introduction, there are three subtypes for every enneagram number, based on the three instincts (self-preservation, social, and sexual). We talk through the subtypes and countertypes for Enneagram Nines, Eights, Sevens, and Sixes.
For more information (and the graphics Megan created), go to dauntlessgrace.org.
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It's finally that time--we are ready to talk about enneagram subtypes! Subtypes are formed around three instincts we all have: self-preservation, social, and sexual (or one-to-one). Listen as Megan and Deedra explore the following:
- What does each instinct mean?
- How do instincts stack?
- How do you know your subtype?
- Why is important (or not) to understand subtypes?
As always, check out dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
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Approaching the holiday season can be difficult, but it's important not to gloss over those moments of grief with spiritual bypassing. Deedra and Megan discuss how important it is to hold the tension of the both/and in life, how shadows make the light seem brighter (chiaroscuro), and sitting with all the parts of ourselves in those moments.
In this episode, they referenced Episode 25: Enneagram and Harmony Triads.
As always, visit dauntlessgrace.org for more information.
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Approaching the holiday season can be difficult, but it's important not to gloss over those moments of grief with spiritual bypassing. Deedra and Megan discuss how important it is to hold the tension of the both/and in life, how shadows make the light seem brighter, and sitting with all the parts of ourselves in those moments.
In this episode, they referenced Episode 25: Enneagram and Harmony Triads.
Deedra and Megan work through happiness: what is it, how do we get it, and why do we need to be aware of it? Like any emotion, happiness is neutral. It’s an indication of what is going on beneath the surface. Happiness by definition is the feeling of pleasure or contentment as the result of favorable circumstances. Happiness can be found when our Spirit-led Self experiences moments of pleasure from a whole and free existence. Happiness can also be found when our overworked managers are keeping us from pain and securing the things we think we need to survive.
Listen as they run through each enneagram type and discuss what might make each type happy. Plus: they both admit which three fictional characters they relate to most!
Notes:
Episode 83: Anger and the Enneagram
Megan's Instagram
Dr. Alison Cook joins Deedra and Megan on the 100th episode of the podcast today! One of our favorite guests, Alison is an IFS therapist and author who just released her new book, The Best of You: Break Free from Painful Patterns, Mend Your Past, and Discover Your True Self in God. Listen as she talks about:
- the differences between selfishness, selflessness, and selfhood
- how spiritual codependence makes us bypass ourselves
- using boundaries in a healthy way
- determining what it is we want
- shepherding the parts of ourselves
Grab your copy of The Best of You today!
And if you haven't yet, check out our earlier episode 71: Boundaries For Your Soul with Dr. Alison Cook.
We are celebrating the last two years--and 99 episodes--of The Dauntless Grace Exchange with some of our favorite guests, Meg and Kami! Listen for a behind-the-scenes view into how Deedra and Megan create the weekly podcast. They also recap their favorite series, amazing guests, and things they've learned along the way. Plus, some faithful listeners call in to share their thoughts on the last two years!
Check out a few of the episodes they mention:
58: Road Trip Edition
49: Dawn Amsden Stark
71: Dr. Alison Cook
74: Jenna Riemersma
69: Tammy Sollenberger
31: Kaitlyn Schiess
45: Heather Thompson Day
73: Kami Amsden
48: Meg Amsden
54: Hope & Expectation
75: Your Enneagram Coach Beth McCord
83: Anger & the Enneagram
84: The Miracles of Jesus
40: Conflict Styles
Dauntless Grace has been on a health journey through the podcast this year. We’ve discussed: emotional health; relational health; physical health; and mental health. Megan and Deedra share where they’ve found more wholeness and areas in which they still struggle. But overall, we agree, the journey is worth it, and we break down what each enneagram number needs to hear to get started. Also, episode 100 is fast approaching, and we’ve got some awesome celebrations planned! Don’t miss out, so subscribe to the podcast today!
Carolyn Whitney joins Megan and Deedra on the podcast today to talk about her journey through her husband's addiction and finding her own healing on the other side of that trauma. Listen as she encourages us to stand in community with one another as we walk through pain and struggles and to see the hope of Jesus through it all.
Carolyn Whitney is the Founder and President of Sisters In Christ, Inc., a nonprofit organization founded in 1997. The vision and passion for Sisters In Christ is to make a difference in the lives of women struggling with addiction, mental health, and abuse issues while promoting a community of sisterhood worldwide.
Carolyn is a Public Service Honor Award Recipient, a public speaker and aspires to become a best-selling author. She is also a Certified Substance Abuse Counselor and a Certified Substance Abuse Supervisor in the state of Missouri. Her influence in the community brings strategic direction, voice, solid strategic thinking, and vision, which led Sisters In Christ to become a 2022 Chick-fil-A True Inspiration Award recipient and win the 2021 “Community Hero Award.” Carolyn resides in Raytown, Missouri, her home of 20+ years, with her family.
You can learn more about how to support Carolyn's work on her website, on her Instagram, and on Facebook.
Content warning: suicide
Today’s guests are mother and daughter duo Carey Conley and Laurel Wilson. After losing two members of their family to suicide just three years apart – Carey's husband (Laurel's father) and Carey's son (Laurel's brother) – these two strong women chose not to just survive, but to thrive in the face of such adversity. Join us we discuss things like: finding your super safe people; mirroring the needs of others; asking others if they want you to listen or give advice/help; and language to use around suicide. We also discussed how both of them are enneagram Threes and learned more about themselves in the process of healing.
Their mission is to help people of all ages identify their God-given purpose through Vision. Carey and Laurel offer hope to others by helping them uncover their silver lining perspective. When they're not at home in Oklahoma City or Scottsdale, you can find them on stages worldwide, teaching everyone – young and young at heart – that it's never too late to write down your vision and start living out your true purpose.
You can find their story in their book Suicide">Keep Looking Up: Transforming Grief into Hope after Tragedy.
Follow Laurel and Carey on Instagram!
Kendall and Janell return to the podcast to talk about their business as coaches who take people on a journey of transformation. Besides working with people on the typical nutrition and fitness aspects of coaching, Kendall and Janell dig into what drives people under everything, using enneagram, emotions work, IFS, and embodiment practices. Deedra and Megan accidentally get a little too real as they discuss their own journey of re-integrating their bodies into their whole selves.
You can schedule a free consultation with Kendall and Janell on their website: kendallandjanell.com
Check out Kendall and Janell's earlier episode 86 where they talk about their enneagram numbers in relationship with each other and follow them on Instagram.
And don't miss the following episodes that were referenced: Breathing and Embodiment with Meg Amsden, IFS with Jenna Riemersma, and IFS with Dr. Alison Cook.
And we talked a LOT about Dr. Hilary McBride's book, Wisdom of the Body. Grab it on Amazon!
Megan and Deedra talk with Peggy Scott about the outward expression of our inner work--specifically, the presence we are putting out into the world. Peggy Scott is a presence coach, author and public speaker. She is passionate about having people shine their very best through their personal presence, which then extends to every part of their life. She has 30+ years of developing and delivering transformational programs that produce phenomenal and lasting results with her clients. Peggy is on a mission to empower women to stand confidently in their power to be seen, valued and respected.
You can find Peggy on her website, on Facebook, on Instagram, on LinkedIn, or on Twitter.
Suzanne Overstreet joins Deedra and Megan to discuss the enneagram and health journeys. As a wellness coach, she dives into each type and what common pitfalls may be for each type and how to best coach them through it.
Suzanne started a health journey in February of 2018 with the goal of losing some weight and feeling comfortable on the campaign trail with her husband. What she didn't count on was a transformation in mindset, passion, and purpose. Now she is a full time Independent Optavia coach who helps others achieve their goals for a healthy body, healthy mind, and healthy finances. She has been interested in learning about the enneagram for the past couple of years and now uses it in her health coaching with her clients to help raise self-awareness of how their fears and motivations can affect their health journey.
You can find Suzanne on Facebook and Instagram. You can also set up a free 20-minute consultation by emailing Suzanne at suzanneohealthcoach@gmail.com.
We are wrapping up this enneagram and relationships series with two best friends: Lorna and Katrina! Lorna is a Six and Katrina is a Seven, and together they talk about how they meet each other in the middle of what each needs: planning v. spontaneity and quiet nights in v. exciting adventures. Realizing their types was a huge key in how they interact, and we are thankful they share their stories so openly!
Lorna is a creative communications professional (aka nerdy artist), with a heart for Jesus and social justice who loves sushi, boba, her dog, books, musicals, the color black, and using too many examples in an intro.
Katrina is a wife to Dan and bio/adoptive/foster mom to four children. She enjoys leading worship, meeting new people and serves as chief culture officer at Greenville University. She loves to share her Cuban heritage through food and can be found singing karaoke or dancing salsa in her living room at the end of a long week with her family.
Best friends and ministry co-directors Ginger and Annie join us to discuss how the enneagram plays in their relationship. Ginger is a 5, and Annie is a 1. They share how they learned about their types; how each of them has learned to lean into their strengths to pull up the other's weaknesses; how their numbers ebb and flow into stress and security; and why understanding the energy levels of both is so important.
Don't miss Episode 18, where Ginger talks all things enneagram Five.
To support Eden's Glory's fall fundraiser, check out Graze in the Grass.
In Reverend Ginger Coakley's own words: I am humbled that God called me to lead something like this. Eden’s Glory is an act of courage and obedience, EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. It is also an honor to have a front row seat to the transforming power and grace of God. In 2010 I was completely unaware that slavery still existed. When I heard, I devoured information from statistics to documentaries, to narrative accounts. I was heart broken at the reality. I was angered by the injustice, and I was CALLED to do something about it. So I quit my job, moved to Illinois, got married, bought a house, had a baby, and started a ministry all in the same year. Crazy! We have been open since September 2015 and I'm grateful to walk alongside survivors every day.
Annie Schomaker is a licensed clinical social worker with vast experience of casework, counseling, and training in her field. In 2004, God moved her heart to fight for the broken, the enslaved, and challenge systemic injustices and she has never turned back. Annie is the co-founder and lead program developer for Eden's Glory. MANY hours of learning, research, networking, writing, revising, wrestling, creativity, heart, and PRAYER have been given to the creation of a two-year treatment program for survivors of human trafficking. Annie leads us with a high standard, and with God's help and grace, to focus on the women and their pursuit of physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, and relational restoration.
Next up in the enneagram and relationship series: it's Brock and Kelsey Morgan! They're both enneagram Sevens, and we talk about all the things: living life as an adventure; what it looks like when someone needs to be structured; and what happens when you can't reframe something. Brock opens up about his anxiety, and Kelsey discloses the depression she hit in her infertility journey. Don't miss this episode because it's got the full range of emotions from these healthy Sevens!
Brock is an author, speaker, and youth pastor. Kelsey is an author and kids min pastor. Brock's latest book, The Anxious Teen, is available now!
Megan and Deedra have the privilege of speaking with pastors Soo Ji and Joe Alvarez on the podcast! Soo Ji is an enneagram 3, and her husband Joe is an 8, so together they make for one dynamic couple. We talk about two two aggressive numbers in relationship and how that manifests in their working together and in their parenting. We also discuss the impact of bringing four cultures together into their home (Soo Ji is Korean Canadian, and Joe is Mexican American) and how that plays out.
Soo Ji and Joe Alvarez are a unique clergy couple who are being used by God to reach people in the margins, bring reconciliation to the community, and raise up passionate followers of Jesus Christ. They are both ordained with the Free Methodist Church and they have been dynamically married for 17 years. They are blessed to have two “Mexirean” kids, Juaquin, their 15 year old son and Nayara, their 13 year old daughter. Currently Joe and Soo Ji pastor at The Avenue, a multiethnic Free Methodist Church in Southern California. Joe is also a relationship builder for Empowering Lives International and Soo Ji is the Conference Director for Wesleyan Holiness Women Clergy and a Program Director for Innovative Space for Asian American Christianity.
You can connect with Soo Ji on Facebook or Instagram.
In this episode, Deedra and Megan spend time answering some questions sent in by listeners such as:
- Why would each number hesitate to start a relationship?
- Which numbers pair well together...and which don't?
- Do all enneagram Fives struggle to commit?
And then, in their usual way, they end up discussing why vulnerability is so important, and Megan shouts out a sermon by Pastor Melissa Pellmann about vulnerability and how Jesus made himself low to enter into relationship with us all.
Check out an early episode with Melissa: Episode 9: How God Interrupts our Stories
And for the books mentioned, we keep a great library of links on our Resources page.
Today is such a special episode! We have Deedra's daughters, Hope, Sav, and Lela, on to talk about the enneagram in sister relationships. The girls, ages 19, 18, and 18, represent all three numbers in the heart triad. They each talk about what that means in how they process feelings and how it manifests in conflict. They also discuss their different stances and how each of them has a different repressed center of intelligence.
Hope is an enneagram 3 and a junior in college. She's studying theater for healing, and you can find her on her Instagram: @hopemackenzi. Sav is an enneagram 4 and a sophomore in college. She's studying social work, and you can check out her podcast: Recommence. Lela is an enneagram 2 and starting her freshman year of college while doing a dance discipleship program.
For more information on triads and stances, check out the structure overview episode.
The conflict episodes Megan referred to can be found in episode 40 and episode 41.
We are so excited to share this episode! Kendall and Janell are best friends and business partners who run a coaching business together, but we don't want to talk about that right now. Instead, we are going to discuss how being an enneagram 9 and a 2 work in relationship! We dive right into managing conflict, making decisions, how each type moves towards stress and security, and how they've learned to call out the best in each other as they each work on inner healing. You don't want to miss this fun and vulnerable conversation!
Janell is a Chek Holistic Lifestyle Coach Level 2 and Level 2 Certified CrossFit Trainer, having coached CrossFit for 8 years. Kendall is a Certified Holistic Health Coach and is beginning a Master's in Counseling program. Together, they witnessed in their fitness and nutrition clients, a lack of results due to a lack of CONSISTENCY. They were able to recognize this because this was their story too. They had also struggled with the same issues their clients experienced, and they recognized that willpower ALONE was not enough to KEEP results. And, most alarming, there was a lack of JOY in the journey. So they asked WHY? And this began their journey of TRANSFORMATION. A journey they say never ends as they grow and expand...a journey they walk right alongside their clients--the Go.Be.Wild. Tribe.
Check out their website and follow them on Instagram!
We're kicking off a new series with this episode: the enneagram and relationships! We explore all types of relationships to see how different enneagram types interact with each other.
Today's episode explores the relationship between two sisters-in-law, Meg Amsden (type 1) and Kami Amsden (type 3). Meg and Kami married brothers, and their relationship has evolved into a close friendship. In this conversation, we discuss: packing for vacation by certain enneagram types; how Ones and Threes can bring out the best in each other; how the enneagram has shown up for each of them in difficult seasons of marriage and in parenting; and how the four of us can be awfully silly together.
We reference a lot of other thought leaders with books to read: Brenè Brown, Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach, Emily and Amelia Nagoski.
Deedra and Megan explain the tagline of Dauntless Grace: connecting women to a meaningful story. They personalize that by enneagram type, and they also step on their soapbox to talk about why sin is not equal to behavior; sin is a byproduct of diSINintegration in our souls. Finally, they connect the miracles Jesus performed in the Gospels to the healing message each enneagram type needs to hear for the re-integration and wholeness they seek.
Notes:
Megan's Instagram: @EnneagramMegan will have these lists and slides up soon.
The song Deedra referred to is actually Peace Be Still by Lauren Daigle and The Belonging Co
Recently, Megan put a series on Anger on her Instagram account: @EnneagramMegan, so she and Deedra talk about what anger is, how it manifests as parts of ourselves, and what might trigger anger in each enneagram type. Also, they can't have an episode without mentioning Breñe Brown, neuroscience, or their favorite IFS therapists.
Episode notes:
Megan's Instagram
What's Happened to You by Dr. Bruce Perry
Move Toward with Jenna Riemersma
Deedra and Megan jump right into the Gospels and talk about what Jesus has to say about self-help, looking inward, and what living in wholeness really looks like. Plus, how do we know what part of us is driving the bus, and how can we allow Jesus, through our Spirit-led Self, take the wheel?
Megan's Instagram account
Dr. Alison Cook's episode
Tammy Sollenberger's episode
Deedra and Megan are recording from a youth conference in the mountains in Colorado and remembering their own teenage selves. If we could go back, what would we want to say to our younger selves? What do we wish we had known back then? Teens and young adults are trying to figure out how to move through the world in a way that makes them feel safe and loved, but the truth is, we are all affected by trauma in some form, and when we aren't aware of what triggers or floods that part of our brain, we tend to put up guards rather than connect to the love of the Father.
The book Deedra mentions can be found here: What Happened to You?
Linda Mitchell joins Deedra and Megan on the podcast to discuss the fire burning in her heart: literacy. Linda tells her family's own literacy journey and how it shaped her own determination to see every home filled with books. Her motto is literacy is liberation, and she uses her education and experience to bring literacy access to book deserts and to partner with communities who need resources.
Linda Mitchell is a former teacher and parent educator for the Parents as Teachers program at St. Louis Public Schools. She has seen the education landscape from the vantage point of the classroom and the living room. Her experiences have shaped her view that the home is the powerhouse for change and the seedbed for literacy culture. She is the founder of the Metro East Literacy Project nonprofit organization and the author of two children’s books. She promotes literacy to adults and children through free book distribution, reading lessons, and reading events. Linda, a Chicago native, now resides in O’Fallon, Illinois with her husband Odell Mitchell Jr.
Linda's Literacy Journeys with Linda interviews can be seen on her YouTube channel, Literacy is Liberation and visit Linda's Penny Press Puzzle Lady YouTube channel for tips on solving word puzzles.
Deedra and Megan go back to their podcast basics on this episode. They discuss: why being aware of our internal selves is so important; how hurt people hurt people; what being thick-skinned really means for us as Christians; and how we can advocate for others on the journey. Also, don't miss Megan learning the basic storyline of Superman and Deedra crying at least three times.
Notes: The Backstory episode that Megan mentioned.
Aging out of our Armor episode that talks about shedding self-protective layers.
Megan and Deedra welcome their friend Ronne Rock to the podcast! They discuss the grittiness of hope, how it feels to not have all the answers, if short-term missions trips are worth it, and what it looks like to love your enemies - all from the lens of an enneagram Four!
Ronne Rock weaves themes of transformative hope and grace into everything she shares on page and stage. She's an author, speaker, and mentor—offering honest encouragement and gut-level wisdom about topics ranging from leadership and long-road faith to discovering your God-crafted design and purpose. She leads marketing and special initiatives for Orphan Outreach, a global nonprofit restoring hope for orphaned and vulnerable children. Ronne writes regularly for Joyful Life Magazine, and her book, One Woman Can Change the World: Reclaiming Your God-Designed Influence and Impact Right Where You Are, is available wherever books are sold. An Oklahoma gal by birth, Ronne now lives in the Texas Hill Country with her husband, Brad, and rescue pup, Pearl, not far at all from her son and his family. Her favorite place to connect is on Instagram, and you can also find more of her writing on her website.
Lesa Brackbill joins the podcast today to share about the painful journey she walked in losing her daughter Tori and how God has brought so much redemption from that pain and turned it into a story of hope and advocacy.
Lesa Brackbill is a California native and Azusa Pacific University alumna who made central Pennsylvania her home thirteen years ago. She met her husband, Brennan, not long after moving, and they now call Hershey home. They have 3 children: Tori (Heaven), and identical twin boys Isaiah and Caleb. Lesa enjoys writing, photography, traveling, being a tour guide, and advocacy for Newborn screening for Krabbe. You can find her book, Even So, Joy: Our Journey through Heartbreak, Hope, and Triumph here.
We've been exploring Internal Family Systems (IFS) for eight weeks now, and Megan and Deedra wrap up the series in this episode. You won't want to miss insights on:
- how constellations of parts cluster around emotions
- using the enneagram (wings and lines) as doorways into IFS
- why both the enneagram and IFS are important for soul work and growth
- how our exiled parts are tied to our enneagram wounding messages
- using these tools to move towards self and others in compassion
Resources:
- Structure of the enneagram episode
- Megan's instagram
Your Enneagram Coach founder Beth McCord is on the podcast today! She sits down with Deedra and Megan to talk all things Enneagram, including:
- why Christians don't need to be afraid of the Enneagram
- how Beth (and Dauntless Grace) use the Enneagram as a road map for healing through the Gospel of Jesus
- Beth's work with combining IFS and the Enneagram into her own system called Enneagram Internal Profile (EIP)
- shepherding our connecting parts into more healing
Your Enneagram Coach was founded by Beth McCord, an Enneagram speaker, coach and teacher for over 17 years. Beth is passionate about coming alongside individuals and helping them re-write their story, allowing them to see that lasting change, meaningful relationships, and a life of deep purpose is possible. This passion is what drove her to create this community, a safe place for individuals to explore the Enneagram.
Having been trained by the best Enneagram experts and pouring hundreds of hours into advanced certifications, Beth is now leading the industry in simplifying the deep truths of the Enneagram from a Biblical perspective. Beth's passion is to make the Enneagram accessible for everyone, anywhere, so they can experience the transformation they long for. For more information about Beth's courses, visit her website.
IFS therapist Jenna Riemersma brings her knowledge and experience to this conversation with Deedra and Megan. They discuss: facing pain instead of running away; the three steps in her Move Toward movement; the spiritualizer parts most Christians have; and how society is a reflection of all the parts.
Best-selling author, speaker and therapist, Jenna Riemersma (https://jennariemersma.com/) is the Clinical Director of the Atlanta Center for Relational Healing. Jenna is a Harvard graduate, trauma specialist, and IFS therapist. Her book, Altogether You, was recently Amazon's #1 hot new release in Spirituality and Self Help. Jenna has been happily married for over 20 years, is a proud mom of two adult children, an animal lover, and a yoga enthusiast.
Kami Amsden joins the podcast and discusses her journey through discovering that she's an enneagram Three and what that has looked like in her relationship with the Lord. She also shares about her own IFS experiences, including how she met a part of herself and what it felt like to reassign that part a new role in her life.
Kami is from the St. Louis metro-east area and works in interior design when she's not driving her four children to their activities and keeping her pastor husband in line. She also serves on the board for Dauntless Grace.
Megan and Deedra spend some time talking about all the goodness in the last few episodes about Internal Family Systems. They briefly break down the IFS concepts and vocabulary and explain how this map has been a great companion to enneagram work. They each describe their own journeys with IFS and the transformative tool it has been in their own lives.
Megan and Deedra have the honor of speaking with Dr. Alison Cook today! Alison dives further into IFS with us, and she even walks us through the process in a really clear example. You don't want to miss the grace and wisdom she brings to the conversation, especially as she reflects on the work God does in our souls and how sometimes we can spiritually bypass that inner healing.
Alison Cook, MA, PhD is a psychologist and the author of two books, including her new book, The Best of You (Thomas Nelson 2022) and Boundaries for Your Soul (Thomas Nelson, 2018). For over 20 years, Alison has helped women, ministry leaders, couples, and families learn how to heal painful emotions, develop confidence from the inside out, forge healthy relationships, and fully live out their God-given potential. You can connect with her at her website and sign up for freebies!
Deedra and Megan welcome enneagram expert Joan Ryan to the podcast today! Joan talks about the overlay of enneagram and IFS, stress and security moves, how understanding your type can expand your freedom, and what each type’s focus of attention is. Joan's wisdom of the narrative tradition of the enneagram is unparalleled.
Joan Ryan has been teaching the enneagram to individuals, groups, businesses and organizations for more than 20 years. Using the experience gained in her previous practice as an attorney, she built a leadership coaching career which expanded into many sectors and internationally. When she found IFS she saw the possibilities of interweaving the two models as a very positive enhancement to both systems. She had the unusual honor of being directly mentored by two of the premier enneagram teachers, Helen Palmer and the late Dr. David Daniels. Her most recent work, with Tammy Sollenberger, focuses on the intersections between the enneagram and Internal Family Systems therapy. She lives in Boston.
Join Deedra and Megan as they welcome guest Tammy Sollenberger. Tammy, a licensed clinical mental health counselor, introduces our listeners to Internal Family Systems (IFS), a therapy model for bringing our full selves into more wholeness and integration. Tammy is the host of the The One Inside podcast and the author of The One Inside: 30 Days to Your Authentic Self. In this episode, Tammy explains what IFS is, why it's important, and some practical ways to start looking inside! You can connect with Tammy at tammysollenberger.com.
This episode is a bridge! Deedra and Megan have been laying the groundwork for a few weeks, and it's time to reveal what's coming up on the podcast. But first, we're following up the conversation from last week about emotions by talking about:
- Are we showing up as our authentic selves, or are we putting out a version of ourselves we want others to see?
- How can we decode the emotions we are feeling?
- How do we read and react to other people's emotions?
Then, it's time to reveal the new tool we will be introducing to you next week in full! This has been life-changing for each of us, and we've had the opportunity to practice it, learn from others more experienced, and bring experts on to talk to you about it. We are so excited!
Subscribe so you don't miss out on what's coming!
Doctoral student Becky Castle Miller joins Megan and Deedra to discuss all things regarding emotions: how the church has handled (or mishandled) emotions; the gendering of emotions in our society; how we construct the concept of emotions; and how Jesus experienced and expressed emotions in the New Testament. This conversation was enlightening and engaging, and we were all sorry to cut it short!
Becky Castle Miller writes and speaks on emotional, mental, and spiritual health in the church. She recently graduated from Northern Seminary with a master's in New Testament Context, studying with Scot McKnight. Her discipleship workbook with Dr. McKnight is called Following King Jesus. She is working on a new book about Jesus's emotions. She and her husband and their five kids and cat returned to the US after living in the Netherlands for eight years, where she worked at an international church. She is the Program Manager for Seminary Now.
To purchase Miller's book or to follow her on social media, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Join Deedra and Megan as they discuss what it means, as a woman, to find your voice. They share about the parts of themselves that have often held them back from finding and expressing their voice, and they talk about how the process of wholeness and re-integration has led them into being people who can more easily use their voice to bring others into the presence of God.
Deedra and Megan start by talking about why it's important to have crucial conversations, but they're not necessarily talking about having these conversations with others. They make the case why it's crucial to have a conversation within ourselves. If humans have a large variety of emotions and experiences internally, it's important to identify those, sit with them, and discern what those emotions are telling us. They also dive into the passions or sins -- what they call the most difficult emotions -- for each enneagram number. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Megan and Deedra discuss what life feels like now they're entering into (or are well into) their 40s. While their bodies might be aging, they're both experiencing what it means to bring their emotions and mind into integration in themselves. The armor they've worn for decades is slipping away as they realize that what once served them no longer does. Also, listen for them discuss the cognitive dissonance of feeling like a different age than they are or what a mid-life crisis really is for most people. Plus a sneak peek into some of the new tools Dauntless Grace is implementing to bring people into more healing and wholeness.
After a new retreat, Deedra and Megan decide to share an old episode in order to offer a recap of the mini-retreats they've been hosting over the past year. Even with years of learning about the enneagram, they're both stunned at how there's always new revelation on each retreat. They also share their experiences of entering a healing journey with God. Sometimes it takes a dauntless grace to move forward in the process, but it's always worth it in the end. This podcast was recorded in July 2021, so the Colorado retreat has already occurred. But we still want you to be part of future weekends! To host a retreat in your community, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
There are a lot of places in our lives where we have to interact--friendships, marriages, church, events, social media--but what does it look to show up as our authentic selves and in vulnerability? Deedra and Megan talk about what transparency isn't, but as they talk, they begin to realize that authenticity and vulnerability always start with inner healing and wholeness. Where is one place where you can show up without those protective layers in order to serve someone else? Call us and let us know at (314)384-9109!
Galentine's Day is this weekend, so we wanted to use this time to talk about friendship! Friendship is weird, and there aren't a lot of great definitions for different types of friends. We spend some time defining what friendship is and what kinds of friends we need, and we use the book Big Friendship by Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow as a resource. Also, we offer some practical tips for anyone looking and longing for a deep connection. But we also want to hear from you! How do you manage those Big Friendships? Call and let us know! (314)384-9109.
Deedra and Megan have a conversation about dreams--not the dreams they have for the future, but the lay-your-head-on-the-pillow dreams they have at night. They don't claim to be experts, but they talk about dreams, how they've affected decisions before, and what it means when they think God is speaking to them through dreams. Do you dream? Call and tell them about it at (314)384-9109!
Deedra and Megan discuss the concept of grace--how does it work in a practical way? How do we still try to earn it? They both share recent examples of times they've needed to find grace, both for themselves and from the Lord. But what if grace isn't just a bandaid of forgiveness; what if it's actually an invitation?
Megan and Deedra are coming at you live (except not live because they recorded this a few days ago) from a crazy road trip to Texas and back! This may be an episode without a real agenda, but they manage to cover the following topics: the list Megan created of things she wants to accomplish in her 40th year; the way Deedra completely geeked out over finishing The Making of Biblical Womanhood by Beth Allison Barr; and how Deedra and Megan use the question "what's the story I'm telling myself?" to keep conversations flowing, safe, and open. For more information on the enneagram, check out dauntlessgrace.org!
Join Deedra and Megan as they talk about why it's so important to be self-aware as a leader since we are all leaders in some capacity. They go through all nine enneagram types and consider the strengths and drawbacks that are natural for each type, and they give some suggestions on how to improve or how to work with other types. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
One of our favorite parts of 2021 was focusing on this podcast, and we want to celebrate the best (and maybe even worst) moments of the podcast with you! Also, we are giving away a book bundle from the authors we interviewed this year, so check out our Instagram and Facebook for details on how to enter! All these links can be found at dauntlessgrace.org.
Deedra and Megan recap their own words for 2021 and talk about how those played out, and they share their new words for 2022 and the crazy story of how they came to be. What's your word for 2022? Tell us at dauntlessgrace.org.
The Christmas season is one of awe, wonder, hope, and expectations, but it also holds the tension of exposing sadness, grief, longing, and loneliness. Whatever your circumstances are this season, there is an Emmanuel, God with us, who brings us a hope to carry us through the unmet expectations.
Who's ready for some holiday cheer? Just kidding. Today we are discussing those super-fun emotions like envy, resentment, anger, shame, and fear. Did you know that resentment isn't really part of anger; it's tied to envy? Megan and Deedra discuss how the numbers in the gut triad experience their anger, how the numbers in the heart triad deal with shame at the root of it all, and how the head triad manages their base of fear. They also happen to get pretty deep into their own issues with envy and resentment and how it plays out in their bodies and in their relationships.
It's no secret that Deedra (okay, and Megan) are huge fans of Dr. Brené Brown and her work as a shame researcher. So when Atlas of the Heart dropped last week, they both geeked out over how Dr. Brown puts language to 87 different emotions and experiences. By overlaying the enneagram with this reference book, we find even more pathways for healing and freedom. Check out the chapter titles and more at dauntlessgrace.org. And don't forget--you can save 25% at livesimplesoap.com when you type in DG21 at the checkout! This is good until December 15.
They've mentioned it before, but there are a lot of things that you won't find from Deedra and Megan in this podcast. For instance, they won't be sharing recipes or how to put together a Pinterest-worthy craft. In fact, there are a lot of things they aren't good at! Tune in to find out more.
Last week, we hosted our first national women's retreat in Colorado, and we are so thankful for everything that happened! Join us for this episode as we recap the weekend and express our gratefulness leading into Thanksgiving. For more information on hosting your own retreat, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
As our first repeat guest on the podcast, Dawn Amsden Stark is back to talk about her book that JUST launched November 16! Called to War is her personal memoir of her struggle through infertility, IVF, adoption, and advocacy, but her story is so much more than that. It's a testimony about the beauty in surrendering to God's story for our lives. To purchase Called to War and follow Dawn on social media, visit dauntlessgrace.org!
Meg Amsden joins Deedra and Megan to continue the conversation they started last week on embodiment. As a certified yoga instructor with a theater background, Meg is trained in using her body as a way to center her mind and emotions, and she shares wisdom around the simple act of breathing. For more information, or to leave a voicemail, visit dauntlessgrace.org!
In today's episode, Megan and Deedra discuss what it means to live as a whole, integrated person, particularly as it relates to our centers of intelligence (head, heart, and body). They've been slowly learning about the concept of embodiment, so join them in their earliest musings around this topic!
Deedra and Megan follow up last week's discussion with Heather Thompson Day by thinking about what happens in seasons of waiting. Do we let our characters be refined? Do we let God move? Or do we manipulate our circumstances to reach our goals?
Megan and Deedra have the privilege of speaking to Dr. Heather Thompson Day on today's episode! They discuss her newest book, all things enneagram, and how to breathe in the social media chaos. Dr. Heather Thompson Day is an interdenominational speaker and has been a contributor for Religion News Service, Christianity Today, Newsweek and the Barna Group. She is also the host of Viral Jesus, a podcast with Christianity Today. For more information on Heather, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Deedra and Megan explore the subject of creativity: what does it mean to be creative? Is being creative the same as being artsy? How can we tap into our own God-given creativity, and does creativity have anything to do with our enneagram numbers? Join us for this conversation, and leave us your feedback in a voicemail by calling (314)384-9109. For more information, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Are we talking about self-care tips or simply growing as a person? Both! Megan and Deedra talk through practical steps for each enneagram type to find more levels of freedom from stress and anxiety. For more information, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
We may not all experience clinical anxiety, but we definitely all have anxious thoughts or feelings once in awhile. Deedra and Megan discuss what causes anxiety for each enneagram type, and they want your input! Head on over to dauntlessgrace.org to leave your comments about this episode.
Megan and Deedra follow up their conversation about conflict by getting real about how they took their own advice and had the hard conversation about their own conflict! They also go through the comments on Megan's Instagram about how numbers related to their own conflict style. For more information or to find that Instagram account, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
It's everyone's favorite topic: conflict! It seems that conflict is everywhere right now, but have you ever examined how YOU engage in conflict? Deedra and Megan talk through some of the conflict styles of each enneagram number, and then they share their own ways of engaging (or not engaging!) in conflict. For more information, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Megan and Deedra talk with Pastor Jennifer Lien about enduring hard seasons and how to lean into what God is teaching us in every chapter of our lives. Jennnifer is an enneagram Nine and shares how she came to realize how that plays out for her in everyday life. To connect with these ladies on the retreat, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Deedra and Megan discuss the topic of shame and taking risks. Join them as they encourage vulnerability that offers the authentic reward of connection. To learn more about this opportunity, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Deedra and Megan offer a recap of the mini-retreats they've been hosting over the past year, and they share their experiences of entering a healing journey with God. Sometimes it takes a dauntless grace to move forward in the process, but it's always worth it in the end. To join them on the next retreat, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Megan and Deedra atttempt something new: they do an on-air typing session with a stranger! Hilary Mize is a born and bred Southern California girl. After graduating from CSU Fullerton with a BFA in Theatre and Psychology minor, she moved to “The Valley” to pursue her television and film acting career. She worked 8 years at L.A.‘s premiere networking company, ACT NOW!, as a consultant. There she met her now best friends affectionately called “The God Squad,” who mentored and led her to a personal relationship with Christ. A handful of years later she moved to Georgia, where she coupled her acting and coaching experience with her faith, and began work in Atlanta with Actors, Models and Talent for Christ. She currently resides in Buford, Ga with her husband and wonderful three kids, and continues to work with actors at The Actors Scene. For more information, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Join Deedra and Megan for a conversation about what they're loving right now! Listen as they determine the difference between cicadas and Jon Secada, and what determines Amish fiction versus historical fiction. They also uncover what it looks like when Jesus meets us in the gray areas of our deepest longings. For more resources (and a picture of Deedra's epic Pinterest fail), visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Megan and Deedra talk to you about why the enneagram can be lifechanging, and how you can find your number! They discuss some pitfalls of mistyping and why it's so important to commit to doing the work for personal growth. As always, you can find more information on enneagram coaching, staff trainings, and retreat registration at dauntlessgrace.org.
Join Deedra and Megan as they talk about what it means to walk out healing in the context of community and what it looks like when God calls us to connect with others for his purposes. They also talk about why the retreats they've been leading have been impactful for the women who attend, and they give you one last opportunity to sign up for the November retreat in Colorado at the early bird price! For more information, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Beth Walker has partnered with her husband for twenty years, in leadership and ministry both on and off the football field. Beth is passionate about encouraging women to pursue their individual callings from God. She is a contributor to Friday Night Wives and The Glorious Table. On her own blog, Lessons from the Sidelines, Beth offers practical advice for other coaches’ wives as well as a behind-the-scenes look at her family’s life as they serve their football players and their community. Beth’s first book, Lessons from the Sidelines, released in August 2020. Her most recent study Embracing Holy Interruptions: How Jesus Used Mundane Moments to Love People Deeply is a 6-week Bible study focused on mentoring. In this episode, Beth talks with Megan and Deedra about engaging society, specifically those in GenZ, and how to walk alongside people for true discipleship. For more information on Beth's book and Bible study, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Kaitlyn Schiess is the author of The Liturgy of Politics: Spiritual Formation for the Sake of Our Neighbor, and her writing has appeared at Christianity Today, The New York Times, Christ and Pop Culture, RELEVANT, and Sojourner. She has a ThM from Dallas Theological Seminary and is pursuing a doctorate in theology from Duke Divinity School. As a frequent guest on the Holy Post podcast, Kaitlyn is no stranger to discussing hard things in a way that make them accessible to the rest of us. Join us for this conversation about what it's like being an enneagram Three in seminary; what stories we as a Church are often living under; and what the amazing story is that God has crafted for the earth! For more information on the enneagram or Kaitlyn's book, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Jen Finley is the lead pastor at a church in Indianapolis, and her husband Jeff is the editor of Light and Life, a Free Methodist publication. Together, Jen and Jeff have said yes to the many surprising ways God moves in their lives in ministry and parenting. For more information on their ministries, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Suzanne Davis had already experienced her share of difficulty by the time she met Jesus in college. Now the first female president of her alma mater, Suzanne discusses how her past set her up for the future God had for her as a parent of adopted teenage twins. For more information on Greenville University, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Katrina Liss couldn't have imagined what her life would look like when she moved to a small town a decade ago. But God intervened, and she ended up meeting her husband and together, they are parenting children through biology, foster care, and adoption in a multicultural household. Katrina is an enneagram 7 who is learning how to lean into the hard parts of this calling. For more information on the Restore Network, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Stephanie McFarland grew up without a family, and she determined as an adult that no other child should have to do that. So she's parenting her ten+ kids by whatever means necessary. She and her husband are raising biological children, stepchildren, and children brought in by foster and adoption. Join Megan and Deedra as Steph gets real with them about parenting in the messy situations and the pros and cons of the systems. For more information about the work Steph is doing, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Mother's Day is difficult. While there is a place to celebrate and honor mothers, we recognize that this day triggers grief, loss, hurt, rejection, emptiness, and longings. Megan and Deedra try to celebrate the gift that women are to the world while acknowledging the very real pain when it comes to the topic of mothers. For more information about the enneagram as discussed in this episode, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Megan and Deedra discuss the calling we have on our lives as God's people and how our enneagram motivations--especially in light of harmony triads--keep us from living up to our callings. However, living in communion with God and others can keep us moving forward into our redemptive stories. For more information on the enneagram and the women's retreat, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Megan and Deedra engage in one of the enneagram stereotypes: the talk style for each type! For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Megan and Deedra talk about how they use the enneagram in their lives and bust a few enneagram misconceptions. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet Shequita Weaver, an enneagram Nine, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about recharging her batteries, navigating a controversial world, and how it's difficult to believe that her presence matters. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet Xamayta Graver, an enneagram Eight, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about growing up in a naturally affectionate Hispanic culture, how she uses her directness as a gift, and how God has grown her into more and more healing. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet Sarah Vanderkwaak, an enneagram Seven, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about being an introverted Seven, how she processes emotions, and what it's like to be a mom of littles when all she wants to do is fly. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet Lorna Gaffney, an enneagram Six, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about being counterphobic or phobic, what it's like to prepare for a crisis, and how she moves into her stress and security lines. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet Ginger Coakley, an enneagram Five, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about facing intense work situations with limited energy, how she uses her stress and security lines to manage emotions, and what it looks like to pursue God no matter the cost. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet Lydia Stark, an enneagram Four, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about the journey to discover her type, how to function healthily, and what it looks like to follow Jesus with more awareness. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet Hope Mager, an enneagram Three, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about the journey to discover her type, learning vulnerability in relationships, and finding her identity in Jesus. For more information on the enneagram, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet podcast host Sidney Webster, an enneagram Two, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about relational stress, how to find healthy boundaries, and what it looks like to ask for and receive help. For more information on the enneagram or Sidney's podcast, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Meet author Victoria Kimble, an enneagram One, as she talks with Megan and Deedra about the inner critic, how to handle stress, and what it looks like to go to that security line. For more information on the enneagram or Tori's books, visit dauntlessgrace.org.
Deedra and Megan give an overview on the Enneagram structure. For more information on the enneagram or the ministry, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
Deedra and Megan introduce the Enneagram. For more information on the enneagram or the ministry, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
Deedra and Megan discuss their words of the year—for 2020 and looking into 2021! For more information on the enneagram or the ministry, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
Dr. Patti is Deedra's mom and has been teaching the Word for 40 years. She brings this special holiday message of "wombing" the Word to today's podcast. For more information, visit us at www.dauntlessgrace.org
Pastor Melissa Pellmann was on a path straight to nowhere when God interrupted her at the age of 17. Join as she she shares now where God has led her and the passions he’s weaving together in her life. For more information, visit us at dauntlessgrace.org.
Kathie Filby hails from Northern Ireland but spent more than a decade as a professor at a small Midwestern university. Join us as she shares how God took the world she’d always known and turned it upside down. For more information, visit us at dauntlessgrace.org.
Marianne Pena Martinez co-pastors a church outside of Miama with her husband. Listen today as she talks about living her life out loud! For more information, visit us at dauntlessgrace.org.
Deedra and Megan discuss the message of Dauntless Grace: the ways in which we all live out a narrative and what it means to let God write our stories. For more information on the enneagram or the ministry, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
Margie Newton, co-founder of the Free Methodist National Prayer Ministry, joins us to talk about the role prayer has played in her life as a wife, mother, and ministry leader. For more information, visit us at dauntlessgrace.org.
Dawn Stark walked a 20-year road of infertility, learning to cry out to God and war on behalf of her promises. Now, after writing her first book Called to War, Dawn shares how God shaped her prayer life and led her into unknown territories. For more information, check out dauntlessgrace.org.
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Join Deedra and Megan as they discuss their own journeys (and difficulties) with prayer. For more information, go to dauntlessgrace.org.
For more information, go to www.dauntlessgrace.org. Megan and Deedra tell the unlikely story of their friendship and how God brought them together to start this ministry.
Each week on the Dauntless Grace Exchange podcast, Deedra Mager and Megan Hall chat with Christian women about their faith, their fears, their victories, and their struggles in the hopes to connect women to a meaningful story. For more info, please visit www.dauntlessgrace.org