The Edge of Work: Recent Episodes
Al Dea
The Edge of Work Podcast is your guide to innovation and workplace trends and their implications for attracting and retaining talent, workplace learning, and leadership.This podcast is for leaders and professionals looking to understand what’s new and next in the workplace, and how they can lead change and transformation in their own career, organization, and industry. During each episode, Al Dea interviews experts, leaders, and founders focused on exploring what’s new and next in the modern workplace to unearth insights and actionable advice related to learning, hiring, talent development, and workplace culture.
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea reflects on the biggest leadership challenges emerging from his conversations with executives and organizations this year. From the unintended consequences of AI mandates to organizational whiplash, leading without certainty, and navigating growing workforce anxiety, Al unpacks the patterns shaping today's workplace. He introduces the idea of the "liminal space," the period between outdated ways of working and a future that has yet to fully take shape, and explains why leaders must resist waiting for clarity and instead create it through action.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Al Dea’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Note: This is a replay of a previous popular episode
Dr. Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic is the Author of Don't Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated (and What to Do Instead). In this episode, Tomas challenges the conventional wisdom that authenticity is always a virtue, especially in leadership. He explains why showing up as your “whole self” can backfire, and why striving to bring your best self is a more powerful approach. Along the way, Tomas connects these ideas to his broader research on technology, AI, and the future of work.
Links
- Website: https://www.drtomas.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drtomaschamorro/
- Book: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Be-Yourself-Authenticity-Overrated/dp/1647829836
- HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2025/07/why-leaders-should-bring-their-best-self-not-their-whole-self-to-work
Note: This is a replay of a live webinar on the topic of how to lead change.
Leading change has never been more complex. In this episode, Al Dea explores why today's workplace demands a new approach to change leadership and shares practical strategies for helping people navigate uncertainty. Learn why transformation efforts often stall, how to avoid common leadership pitfalls, and what it takes to build commitment, resilience, and momentum across your team. From balancing competing priorities to leading with clarity when the future is uncertain, this conversation offers actionable insights for leaders navigating organizational change, AI transformation, and the evolving world of work.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Al Dea’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Note: This is a replay of a previous popular episode
Greg Satell is the Author of Cascades: How to Create a Movement That Drives Transformational Change. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Greg joins Al Dea to explore why most organizational change efforts fail and how leaders can spark lasting transformation. Drawing from his front-row experience during Ukraine’s Orange Revolution and 15 years of research, Greg shares the power of “small groups, loosely connected, united by a shared purpose” to drive cultural and behavioral change. He explains why top-down, big-bang launches often trigger resistance, how to find early adopters, and the keys to creating the right conditions for change to spread.
Links
- Website: https://gregsatell.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregsatell/
- Book: https://gregsatell.com/cascades/
Note: This is a replay of a previous popular episode
Greg Shove is the CEO of Section AI, a company helping enterprises and teams become truly AI-enabled. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Greg shares his journey of pivoting Section from an online business school to an AI-powered transformation partner. He discusses why most companies are struggling to adopt AI, the mistakes leaders make when rolling it out, and why the challenge is less about technology and more about change management. Greg also explains how AI is reshaping knowledge work, what employees and leaders need to do to stay relevant, and why the future of learning will look more like personalized coaching than traditional training.
Links
- Newsletter: https://personalmath.substack.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregshove/
- Website: https://www.sectionai.com/
David Chestnut is a Principal Director of Human+AI Talent Strategy. In this episode, David joins Al to explore how AI is changing the relationship between human expertise, effort, and work itself. Drawing on his experience helping organizations adopt AI, David explains why AI is not a technology adoption challenge but a human capability challenge. During this conversation, David shares insights on developing judgment, expertise, and critical thinking in an era where outputs are increasingly easy to generate, and discusses the implications for early-career talent, learning and development, and organizational design.
David also explores why authenticity, trust, and uniquely human perspectives may become even more valuable as AI-generated content becomes more widespread.
Links
- David’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidchestnut/
- David’s Medium Page: https://medium.com/@chestnut.david
Robin Barbacane is the Head of Talent Development and Workforce Transformation at Rackspace. In this episode, Robin joins The Edge of Work to discuss what it takes to move beyond AI experimentation and drive enterprise-wide workforce transformation. She shares how Rackspace has approached becoming an AI-first organization, including the development of AI-powered solutions, employee-led innovation programs, and new operating models designed to embed AI into everyday work.
During the conversation, Robin also explains why successful AI adoption is fundamentally a change management challenge, how HR can play a more strategic role in transformation, and why organizations should focus on developing new ways of thinking and working rather than simply deploying new tools.
Links
- Robin’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinbarbacane/
Kelly Monahan is an Author, Speaker and Researcher. She is the Co-Founder of Beyond The Desk, where she researches the intersection of AI, leadership, and the future of work. In this episode, Kelly shares her perspective on how organizations are navigating the growing gap between AI investment and measurable business value.
She shares insights from her work with executives and boards, including why many organizations lack a clear AI strategy, how leadership behaviors influence adoption, and what it will take to unlock value beyond individual productivity gains. Kelly also explores the changing nature of careers, the challenges facing early-career talent, and why organizations may need to rethink leadership and even the purpose of business as AI continues to reshape work.
Links
- Kelly’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-monahan-ph-d-18879413/
- Beyond the Desk: https://www.beyondthedesk.com/
Melody Wilding is the Author of Managing Up: How to Get What You Need from the People in Charge. In this episode, Melody and Al explore why managing up is not about pleasing your boss, but about creating the clarity, influence, and support you need to do your best work. She shares practical strategies for navigating workplace relationships, aligning priorities, setting boundaries, building visibility, and taking ownership without overstepping.
Links
- Melody’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melodywilding/
- Melody’s Website: https://melodywilding.com/
- Melody’s Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psychology-at-work-career-success-leadership-communication/id1762458121
- Managing Up: https://www.amazon.com/Managing-Up-What-People-Charge-ebook/dp/B0CXLSH6Y6/
Dr. Jerry Kane is a Professor at the Terry College of Business at the University of Georgia. In this episode, Jerry joins The Edge of Work Podcast to explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping work, learning, and leadership faster than most organizations can keep up.
Drawing on his work with students and executives, he shares why artificial intelligence is less about technology and more about building an entrepreneurial mindset that helps people experiment, adapt, and create value. Jerry also explains how organizations can move beyond fear and hype to build real AI fluency, why human skills will become even more valuable as automation grows, and what leaders can do now to help their teams prepare for what comes next.
Links
- Dr. Kane’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/geraldckane/
- Article: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-take-jobs-question-misses-whats-actually-happening-gerald-kane-bssce/?trackingId=Ychj1h8FRAGHafoDDSbv4w%3D%3D
Charlene Li is the Author of Winning with AI: The 90-Day Blueprint for Success. In this episode, Charlene joins Al to break down what it really takes for organizations to move beyond AI experimentation and start creating real business value. She explains why companies should stop thinking about AI as a separate strategy and instead use it to strengthen their existing business goals. Charlene also shares practical advice on building AI fluency across teams, avoiding common adoption traps, and helping leaders guide their organizations through change.
Links
- Charlene’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charleneli/
- Charlene’s Book: https://winningwithaibook.com/
In this solo episode of the Edge of Work, host Al Dea shares his perspective on what it means to lead through uncertainty in a world of work that refuses to stand still. Drawing from his research and work with leaders across industries, Al explores why traditional playbooks are falling short and what it takes to navigate constant change with confidence. He breaks down five key behaviors for leading at the edge of work, from focusing on your highest value contributions to building relationships, developing earned insight, and creating opportunities instead of waiting for them. This episode offers a practical framework for leaders who want to adapt, grow, and help shape what comes next.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Al Dea’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
JD Dillon is a Speaker, Technologist, and Author of The Frontline Enablement Playbook, a new book focused on helping organizations better support frontline and deskless workers. In this conversation, JD shares why frontline managers are some of the most important and overlooked people in the workplace. He unpacks the challenges they face every day, from constant unpredictability to limited support, and explains why traditional leadership development often misses the mark. Finally, JD also explores what organizations can do differently to better enable frontline teams, build stronger workplace communities, and create environments where people can thrive.
Links
- JD’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jddillon/
- JD’s Book: https://jddillon.com/frontlinebook/
Dani Johnson is Co-Founder and Principal Analyst at RedThread Research, and returns to the show to unpack how learning and development is being reshaped in real time. Drawing on new research, she offers a different perspective on the centralized vs decentralization org structure and staffing model, and instead argues for more intentional, decision-based design. Dani also shares why Learning and Development’s pursuit of having a “Seat at the table” may be fading and why that might not be a bad thing. From the rise of workflow-based learning to the growing importance of data and change management, she outlines what it means to be tactically strategic.
Links
- https://redthreadresearch.com/redthread-summit-2026
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/dani-johnson/
Mohit Jiwnani is the Director of Talent Development at Okta. In this episode, he shares how AI is reshaping leadership development and why traditional programs may no longer be enough as the nature of work changes. During this conversation, Mohit explores how organizations can shift from teaching leadership in classrooms to enabling leaders in the flow of work by redesigning workflows, clarifying what work humans should own versus AI, and helping teams operate differently.
Mohit also discusses practical approaches to AI adoption and empowering internal champions to drive change. Finally, he reflects on how leaders can embed AI into everyday moments like decision-making, coaching, and performance conversations.
Links
Mohit’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mohitjiwnani/
Greg Pryor is a Founding Member of Connected Commons and a longtime leader in human capital and talent strategy. In this episode of Greg joins the podcast to discuss why social capital, the relationships and networks that connect people, plays such a major role in career success and organizational performance. He shares stories from his work in management consulting, talent leadership, and research on networks to explain how relationships shape influence, learning, and opportunity.
They also explore how organizations can identify key influencers, lead change more effectively, and avoid collaboration overload. The conversation closes with a discussion about how AI is changing the workplace and what it means for collaboration and leadership.
Links
- Greg’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-pryor-907920/
Elizabeth McSavaney is the Chief People Officer of Zurich Canada, where she leads talent strategy in a highly technical, rapidly evolving industry. In this live episode from the 2026 Transform Conference, Elizabeth shares how Zurich Canada is rethinking learning and development by focusing less on training activity and more on solving real business problems. She explains how initiatives like “Day to Invest” create space for growth, why capability and not completion should be the true measure of learning, and how HR teams can build credibility by driving measurable outcomes.
Elizabeth also discusses preparing early-career talent, embedding AI into everyday work, and why empathy remains a critical human skill in insurance and beyond.
Links
Elizabeth’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-mcsavaney-chrl-bsc-371377/
Kyle Forrest is a Principal and the Future of HR Leader at Deloitte Consulting, where he helps organizations navigate the rapidly evolving intersection of Humans and AI. In this live episode from the Transform Conference in Las Vegas, Kyle breaks down two of the key trends from Deloitte’s 2026 Global Human Capital Trends Report.
During our conversation, he explores how organizations can stay relevant amid constant change, why traditional change management is falling short, and what it means to become “changeful.” Kyle also dives into the rise of orchestration—where leaders must align human and machine capabilities—and what it takes to unlock real productivity gains in an AI-powered workplace.
Links
- Kyle’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyleforrest/
- Deloitte Human Capital Trends 2026: https://www.deloitte.com/us/en/insights/topics/talent/human-capital-trends.html
Aneesh Raman is Chief Economic Opportunity Officer at LinkedIn and Co-Author of Open To Work: How to Get Ahead in the Age of AI. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Aneesh shares his perspective on how AI is reshaping careers, leadership, and the very nature of work itself. He explains why many professionals feel overwhelmed and unprepared, and why that anxiety is also an opportunity to rediscover uniquely human strengths like curiosity, creativity, and compassion. Finally, Aneesh shares why the traditional career ladder is breaking down, how individuals can adapt using a “climbing wall” mindset, and what organizations must do to redesign work for a more human-centered future.
Links
- Aneesh Raman’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aneeshraman/
- Open to Work Book: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/open-to-work-ryan-roslanskyaneesh-raman
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea explores how to grow your career in a time when AI, automation, and constant change are reshaping the workplace. He shares why traditional career paths and milestones are becoming less reliable, and why it is more important to focus on direction instead of fixed destinations.
Al offers practical guidance on taking agency of your development, building adaptable skills, and staying relevant even when the future feels uncertain. He also explains how employees can shift their mindset from waiting for clarity to actively creating career opportunities for themselves in a rapidly evolving world of work.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Al Dea’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Michael Bungay Stanier is the Author of The Coaching Habit and Host of the Change Signal podcast. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Michael joins Al Dea to challenge conventional thinking around change management and introduce the concept of change mastery. Drawing on insights from his podcast and decades of experience, Michael explains why most change initiatives fail and what leaders must do differently in a world defined by constant disruption. He shares the three pillars of change mastery, distributed agency, organizational capacity, and technical excellence—and why successful change depends less on process and more on people.
Links
- Michael’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbungaystanier/
- Change Signal Podcast: https://thechangesignal.com/
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea explores why one of the most important responsibilities of leaders today is becoming a developer of talent. With leaders stretched thin and expectations constantly growing, Al makes the case for why developing people cannot be optional if organizations want better performance, engagement, and adaptability. He introduces the idea of practices of development, (aka PODs) small, practical actions leaders can embed into everyday work to help employees grow without relying on formal programs.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Al Dea’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Ariel Leonard is the SVP of Talent at Frontier Communications, where she is helping lead a large-scale transformation of the company’s workforce and talent strategy. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Ariel shares how Frontier is shifting from traditional HR processes to a more skills focused, business aligned approach to talent. She explains how her team is rethinking workforce planning, internal mobility, and leadership development to support long term growth. Ariel also discusses the importance of building trust, creating clearer career pathways, and helping employees see new opportunities inside the organization.
Links
- Ariel’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arielleonard/
- Harvard Business Review Article: https://hbr.org/2025/10/your-transformation-cant-succeed-without-a-talent-strategy
Matthew Duncan is the Head of Future of Work & AI Thought Leadership at Microsoft, where he helps organizations understand how AI is reshaping work, leadership, and organizational design. In this episode, Matthew explains what it means to build a frontier firm that is human led and agent operated.
He shares why intelligence is becoming an on demand resource, how agents are changing the role of managers and early career talent, and why simply adding AI tools is not enough. The conversation also explores the mindset shifts leaders must make, what holds organizations back from adoption, and why this moment represents a major opportunity for those willing to rethink how work gets done.
Links
- Matthew’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewloysduncan/
- Microsoft WorkLab: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/worklab/
Dominik Rus is the Global Head of Learning and Development Innovation and Technology at TTEC, where he sits at the intersection of learning science, AI, and business performance. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Dominik shares how his team approaches learning innovation with a clear philosophy of science first, AI second.
He explains why scaling bad learning with new technology creates more problems than it solves, and how TTEC is using evidence based design, AI enabled practice, and agent driven tools to improve real world performance. The conversation also explores how learning roles are changing, what skills based and adaptive learning really mean, and what L&D leaders need to rethink as AI reshapes how work and learning get done.
Links
- Dominik’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dominikrus/
- TTEC Case Study: https://writer.com/blog/ttec-customer-story/
- Article on TTEC’s Learning Wizards: https://writer.com/blog/ttec-customer-story/
- Dominik’s Paper on Science First, AI Second: https://leonardo.institute/SPARK/September2025/
- Dominik’s Blog on AI and Learning Design: https://www.ttec.com/author/dominik-rus-global-head-learning-science-innovation-and-technology
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea shares practical guidance for leaders who are navigating constant, overlapping change. Drawing from his work with organizations, conversations with podcast guests, and real world experience, Al breaks down why change feels so difficult at work and what leaders often miss about the human side of it. He explores common reactions to change, including fear, loss of control, and identity threats, and offers five pragmatic practices leaders can use to drive meaningful progress.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Al Dea’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Rebecca Hinds is the Head of the Work AI Institute at Glean. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Rebecca joins Al Dea to unpack why meetings have become one of the biggest barriers to effective collaboration and how leaders can redesign them to actually get work done. Drawing from her research at Stanford, her experience leading innovation labs, and insights from her book Your Best Meeting Ever, Rebecca explains why meetings are often a symptom of broken collaboration systems. The conversation explores meeting overload, calendar “doomsdays,” asynchronous work, and the growing role of AI in meetings and leadership. Rebecca also shares lessons from the Work AI Institute on how organizations can navigate AI transformation with more intention and evidence-based leadership.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-hinds/
- Website: https://www.rebeccahinds.com/
- Book: https://www.amazon.com/Your-Best-Meeting-Ever-Principles/dp/166806748X
Kit Krugman is the SVP of People and Culture at Foursquare, where she is leading a significant shift in how the company approaches culture, performance, and organizational speed. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Kit shares how Foursquare redesigned its people systems to increase product velocity, reduce layers, and strengthen cross-functional teamwork.
She explains why performance management became the starting point for culture change, how team-based performance and organizational network analysis provide better signals of impact, and how AI is beginning to reshape coaching, feedback, and learning—and what that means for the future of people leadership.
Links
- Kit’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kitkrugman/
- Kit's Blog Link: https://foursquare.com/resources/blog/culture/building-for-speed-why-culture-change-starts-with-performance/
Sandra Loughlin is the Chief Learning Scientist at EPAM Systems and one of the leading voices on skills, talent data, and learning science. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Sandra unpacks why so many skills and AI initiatives fall short, what organizations misunderstand about learning and behavior change, and why HR is at an inflection point.
During the conversation, they explore the realities of building skills-based organizations, the role of tasks and context in workforce decisions, and how AI is reshaping talent, L&D, and strategic workforce planning. Sandra also shares why training alone rarely drives change, what real learning requires, and how organizations can make better people decisions by treating skills as a data problem rather than a buzzword.
Links
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandraloughlin/
Note: This is a replay of a previous popular episode
David Burkus is a Leadership and Teamwork expert, keynote speaker, and author of Best Team Ever. During this conversation, David shares key insights from his book Best Team Ever on what makes teams thrive in today’s workplace. We explore the science behind high-performing teams, the critical role of psychological safety, and why work is increasingly about collaboration. Plus, David breaks down practical strategies for leading cross-functional teams, building social capital, and fostering a culture where everyone contributes their best.
Links
- Website: https://davidburkus.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidburkus/
Note: This is a replay of a previous popular episode
The Edge of Work has been exploring the role of the manager as well as the emphasis on manager development throughout its three seasons.
During this episode, Al breaks down the role of the people manager in today’s world of work. During this episode, Al will cover:
- Why the manager is back in the spotlight
- The challenges that managers face in today’s workplace
- How to Reimagine The Role of the Manager
- Some best practices for developing managers fit to lead in today’s workplace
Links:
- https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/stop-wasting-your-most-precious-resource-middle-managers
- Kameko Leung and Aspiring Managers: https://podcasts.apple.com/cz/podcast/the-changing-landscape-of-talent-development/id1378433981?i=1000626064591&l=cs
- HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2023/11/reimagine-your-managerial-pipeline
Note: This is a replay of a previous popular episode
Conor Grennan is the Dean of Students at NYU Stern and the Co-Founder and CEO of AI Mindset, an AI consulting firm. In this episode, Conor shares his insights on how artificial intelligence is reshaping the workplace, leadership, and talent development.
With a unique perspective from both academia and the corporate world, he discusses why AI adoption is more about mindset than technical skill, the role of HR and talent leaders in AI transformation, and how leaders can navigate this shift.
Links
- Website: https://www.ai-mindset.ai/
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorgrennan/
Note: This episode is a recording of a live virtual webinar.
As 2025 comes to a close, Al Dea is joined by Kyle Forrest (Principal, Deloitte Consulting), Ana Maria Sencovici (Chief Talent Officer, Royal Caribbean Group), and Brian Elliott (CEO, Work Forward) for a special end-of-year conversation on The Edge of Work. Together, they reflect on a year defined by uncertainty, AI-driven change, and growing tension in the workplace. Moving beyond hype, they explore what leaders got wrong, what’s beginning to shift, and why the future of work depends less on efficiency and more on redesigning work, rebuilding trust, and leading with clarity and hope in an AI-enabled world.
Links
- Kyle’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyleforrest/
- Ana Maria’s LInkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/asencovici/
- Brian’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/belliott/
- Brian’s Newsletter: https://theworkforward.substack.com/
- Kyle’s Podcast: https://action.deloitte.com/topic/184/capital-h-podcast?rcrand=1
In this solo episode, Al Dea reflects on the biggest themes he has been exploring throughout the fall as leaders continue navigating rapid workplace and technology change. He shares what he has learned from helping organizations adopt AI more effectively, the mindset shifts required to rethink how work gets done, and why thinking before doing matters when it comes to using artificial intelligence tools in our work. He also discusses lessons from moderating a panel on influence and impact and highlights the four human skills that will matter most in an AI-powered world.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- The Edge of Work Live:https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_OdBSLzC-R4mLhVNnRK5dcw
Lucrecia Borgonovo is the Chief Talent and Organizational Effectiveness Officer at Mastercard, where she leads a global team focused on building a future-ready workforce. In this episode, Lucrecia shares how Mastercard evolved its culture through The Mastercard Way, a framework designed to connect 35,000 employees across 80 countries through shared behaviors and values. She discusses how the company embeds culture into leadership, performance, and talent systems, ensuring that principles like agility, candor, and inclusion come to life every day. Lucrecia also explores how artificial intelligence, continuous learning, and systemic thinking are shaping the future of talent and leadership at Mastercard.
Links
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucrecia-borgonovo-44225310/
Natalie Tincher is the General Manager of Talent, Skills and Performance Management at Delta Air Lines and has led Delta’s ambitious journey to build a companywide skills strategy from the ground up. In this episode, Natalie shares how Delta developed its “Talent Hub” to empower employees to own their growth, foster internal mobility, and create clearer career paths across the organization.
She also discusses the challenges of change management, the importance of keeping things simple when transforming HR processes, and the role of AI in shaping the future of skills-based talent management.
Links
- Natalie’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-d-katz/
- Skills Strategy Discussion Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12994338/
Andy Storch is an Author, Podcast Host, and Keynote Speaker who joins Al Dea to explore the power of personal branding in today’s fast-changing world of work. Drawing from his new book, Own Your Brand, Own Your Career, Andy shares why building an authentic personal brand is essential for career growth, how leaders can use it to attract and retain top talent, and how authenticity and visibility can work hand in hand. He also explains why human connection and storytelling matter more than ever in the age of AI, offering practical advice for professionals who want to take ownership of their careers and stand out in a noisy world.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andystorch/?originalSubdomain=es
- Website: www.andystorch.com
- Book: https://www.amazon.com/Own-Your-Brand-Career-Accelerates/dp/1736020986
In this episode of The Edge of Work, host Al Dea joins leaders live from the Guild Opportunity Summit in San Diego to explore the future of talent, career mobility, and skills transformation.
The episode features conversations with Matthew J. Daniel, Senior Principal of Talent Strategy and Mobility at Guild; and Marquita Williams, Executive Director of Organizational Learning and Development at AdventHealth. Together, they discuss how leading organizations are aligning career growth with business outcomes, and key insights from Guild and Lightcast’s Talent Resilience Index, a benchmark for understanding career mobility and critical workforce skills shaping today’s workplace.
Links
- Matthew Daniel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewjdaniel/
- Marquita Williams: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marquita-williams-764b244b/
- Talent Resilience Index: https://guild.com/report/talent-resilience-index?utm_source=press&utm_medium=refe[
Anna Tavis is the Department Chair of Human Capital Management at NYU and co-author of The Digital Coaching Revolution. In this episode, Anna explores how technology is transforming coaching from exclusive executive perks into scalable, everyday growth tools for all employees. Anna shares insights from her research and her work with advising digital coaching companies, offering a glimpse into AI-powered, embedded coaching that personalizes learning, feedback, and performance in real-time. Together, they discuss what hybrid human and AI coaching means for organizations, managers, and the future of leadership and employee development.
Links
- NYU Coaching and Technology Summit: https://www.sps.nyu.edu/about/events/human-capital-management-department-events/coaching-and-technology-summit.html
- Dr. Tavis' LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annatavis/
- Book: https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Coaching-Revolution-Employee-Development/dp/1398612510
- Tenor: https://tenorhq.com/
Dr. Serena Gonsalves-Fersch is the Global Head of Talent at SoftwareOne. Drawing from her doctoral research on workforce development in technology-driven environments, Serena explains how traditional learning models no longer fit the pace of change in modern organizations. She outlines how SoftwareOne reimagines learning through contextual business partnerships, a T-shaped team model, and a focus on human skills like empathy, curiosity, and critical thinking. Finally, they explore how AI will reshape, not replace, the learning function and why the future of talent lies in blending data, human insight, and deep organizational context.
Links
- Serena’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-serena-gonsalves-fersch-flpi-a23589/
- Research: https://repository.mdx.ac.uk/download/36ed76c7176aaafc4f36877bcb9f9ce69b891385e73b311500e597e67e249bcd/12681644/SGonsalvesFersch%20thesis.pdf
Muriel Wilkins is the Author of Leadership Unblocked: Break Through the Beliefs That Limit Your Potential. In this episode, Muriel shares how even the most accomplished leaders can unknowingly hold onto beliefs that keep them stuck, and what to do to move beyond them.
Drawing from over 20 years of executive coaching, she unpacks common “hidden blockers” like perfectionism, urgency, and overinvolvement, and explains how leaders can shift from default thinking to conscious leadership. Muriel and Al also explore how intergenerational tension, constant change, and uncertainty challenge leaders today, and why self-awareness and perspective are the keys to unblocking potential at every level of leadership.
Links
- Muriel’s Website: https://www.murielwilkins.com/
- Muriel’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/murielwilkins/
- Muriel’s Book: https://www.murielwilkins.com/book/leadership-unblocked
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea unpacks what’s top of mind for talent and learning leaders this fall. Drawing from more than 40 interviews across Fortune 1000 organizations, Al explores the biggest themes shaping the profession, from navigating constant change to managing “two timelines” of near-term needs and future AI-driven transformation. He highlights how leaders are adapting their mindsets, practices, and roles to stay relevant in a rapidly evolving world of work.
Links
- Report: https://theedgeofwork.com/report/
- Al’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Stephanie Kramer is the Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO) at L’Oréal North America. In this episode, Stephanie shares how L’Oréal is shaping a “people-first leadership culture” across its global organization. During our conversation, she spoke about the “magic triangle” between HR, managers, and employees, and how this model empowers people leaders to drive engagement, development, and performance at scale. Stephanie also talks about the importance of consistent feedback through quarterly “connect” conversations, the role of data in creating insights (not dashboards), and how HR can sustain impact through empowerment.
Links
- Website: https://www.carrystrongproject.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephaniemaekramer/
Dr. Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic is the Author of Don't Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated (and What to Do Instead). In this episode, Tomas challenges the conventional wisdom that authenticity is always a virtue, especially in leadership. He explains why showing up as your “whole self” can backfire, and why striving to bring your best self is a more powerful approach. Along the way, Tomas connects these ideas to his broader research on technology, AI, and the future of work.
Links
- Website: https://www.drtomas.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drtomaschamorro/
- Book: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Be-Yourself-Authenticity-Overrated/dp/1647829836
- HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2025/07/why-leaders-should-bring-their-best-self-not-their-whole-self-to-work
Caleb Gatlin and Becca Anzalone work at The Google School for Leaders. During this conversation, they discuss how Google is reshaping leadership development by embedding research and user feedback directly into learning design. Caleb and Becca share insights from the Learning Advisors program, a global network of managers and employees who provide real-time input to shape programs and tools. They explore how feedback is often misunderstood, why trust is the foundation of effective career conversations, and what it takes to design learning experiences that reflect the diverse realities of work inside a global organization.
Links
- Caleb’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebgatlin/
- Becca’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/becca-anzalone-493aaa/
- Article 1: https://www.hrgrapevine.com/us/content/article/2025-08-12-revealed-googles-research-program-for-developing-better-managers
- Article 2: https://rework.withgoogle.com/intl/en/guides/learning-development-managers
Alexis Fink is a Principal at Propeller Insight. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Alexis Fink (formerly VP People Analytics & Workforce Strategy, Meta), joins Al Dea to explore some of the biggest headlines on talent, HR AI, and the future of work. Together, they discuss how AI is exposing the “BS economy” of meaningless work, what the future of HR could look like as the function reimagines its role, and why so many corporate AI pilots are failing to deliver results.
From rethinking how we define substance at work, to exploring HR’s opportunity to become more strategic, to understanding the gap between AI hype and reality, Alexis brings insights grounded in her experience as an organizational psychologist, people analytics leader, and researcher helping organizations navigate change.
Links
- Alexis’ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexisfink/
- Al’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Articles
- Article 1: https://www.fastcompany.com/91391631/how-ai-is-exposing-the-bs-economy-ai-work-productivity
- Article 2: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/future-work-2025-why-hr-holds-pen-rewrite-playbook-john-golden-ph-d--jyobc/?trackingId=b4LDN4PbD9CiHuae%2B5l%2BtQ%3D%3D
- Article 3: https://fortune.com/2025/08/18/mit-report-95-percent-generative-ai-pilots-at-companies-failing-cfo/
In this Work in Progress segment of The Edge of Work, Al Dea is joined by Dr. Shonna Waters, CEO and Co-Founder of Fractional Insights, to explore the intersection of AI, leadership, and the future of work. Together, they assess the possibility of “BS Jobs," debate what a “decline in conscientiousness” really means, and examine why CEO narratives about AI adoption don’t always match reality.
Links
- Shonna’s Website: https://www.fractionalinsights.ai/
- Shonna’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shonna-waters/
- Al’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Articles:
- Article 1: https://grimoiremanor.substack.com/p/no-conscientiousness-hasnt-collaped?r=un33&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
- Article 2: https://fortune.com/2025/07/02/ai-work-salesforce-benioff-nadella-microsoft-pichai-google/
- Article 3: https://www.fastcompany.com/91391631/how-ai-is-exposing-the-bs-economy-ai-work-productivity
- Article 4: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shonna-waters_the-ai-adoption-journey-doesnt-start-with-activity-7363567159911882752-yJpG/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAE3zicBfrtScfTifWDhDOVxFn_o6oUna5o
Greg Shove is the CEO of Section AI, a company helping enterprises and teams become truly AI-enabled. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Greg shares his journey of pivoting Section from an online business school to an AI-powered transformation partner. He discusses why most companies are struggling to adopt AI, the mistakes leaders make when rolling it out, and why the challenge is less about technology and more about change management. Greg also explains how AI is reshaping knowledge work, what employees and leaders need to do to stay relevant, and why the future of learning will look more like personalized coaching than traditional training.
Links
- Newsletter: https://personalmath.substack.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregshove/
- Website: https://www.sectionai.com/
Greg Satell is the Author of Cascades: How to Create a Movement That Drives Transformational Change. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Greg joins Al Dea to explore why most organizational change efforts fail and how leaders can spark lasting transformation. Drawing from his front-row experience during Ukraine’s Orange Revolution and 15 years of research, Greg shares the power of “small groups, loosely connected, united by a shared purpose” to drive cultural and behavioral change. He explains why top-down, big-bang launches often trigger resistance, how to find early adopters, and the keys to creating the right conditions for change to spread.
Links
- Website: https://gregsatell.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregsatell/
- Book: https://gregsatell.com/cascades/
Meg Bear is the Co-Host of The Meg and Amy Show. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Meg joins Al Dea to unpack the biggest workplace and technology headlines shaping the future of work. Together, they explore the implications of AI Pilots failing to deliver results, what automation and AI could mean for consulting firms, the potential for a “white collar gig economy” and the evolving nature of the employer-employee contract.
From AI pilots failing to deliver results, to what automation means for consulting firms, and the growing conversation around the white-collar gig economy, Meg offers candid insights grounded in her experience as a tech executive, and now Co-Host of The Meg and Amy Show.
Article Links:
- https://www.google.com/url?q=https://fortune.com/2025/08/18/mit-report-95-percent-generative-ai-pilots-at-companies-failing-cfo
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenwolfepereira/2025/07/03/ceos-said-youre-replaceable-prepare-for-the-white-collar-gig-economy/
- https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/career/at-t-just-made-it-official-workplace-loyalty-is-dead/ar-AA1K4ro4?
Other Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/megbear/
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMegandAmyShow
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea explores what it really takes to lead change in today’s fast-moving workplace. Drawing from over 25 interviews with senior talent and learning leaders, Al shares six practical, people-centered practices to help leaders guide change more effectively. Whether it's launching a new initiative, navigating a transformation, or adapting to constant disruption, Al walks through a handful of tactical ways to lead with empathy, clarity, and confidence to lead change during uncertain times.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Work With Al Dea: https://al-dea.com/speaking/
Tasha Eurich is a Principal of The Eurich Group, a New York Times bestselling author, and an executive coach to top leaders around the world. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Tasha joins Al Dea to discuss her latest book, Shatterproof: How to Thrive in a World of Constant Chaos and Why Resilience Alone Isn’t Enough. They explore why the traditional notion of resilience falls short in today’s workplace, how grit gaslighting holds high performers back, and why self-awareness and purpose are critical for navigating constant change. Tasha also introduces the “shatterproof” framework, a science-backed, four-step roadmap for not just surviving chaos, but growing through it.
Links
- Website: https://www.tashaeurich.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tashaeurich/
- Book: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/tasha-eurich/shatterproof/9780316566551/
Jayney Howson is the Senior Vice President and Head of Global Learning & Development at ServiceNow, where she leads ServiceNow University, an innovative, AI-powered learning platform designed to unlock skill development at scale. In this episode Jayney joins Al Dea to discuss how learning is evolving in the age of AI, why human transformation is essential to business transformation, and how ServiceNow is reimagining learning across its entire ecosystem of employees, customers, and partners.
Links
- Jayney Howson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayney-howson-05677a23/
- Al Dea: https://www.al-dea.com/
- ServiceNow University: https://learning.servicenow.com/now/lxp/home
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea shares early insights from his summer research interviews with 20+ senior talent and learning leaders at Fortune 1000 companies. He reveals four key themes shaping their top priorities today: leadership and manager development, AI-driven enablement, change and transformation, and systemic talent and learning. Al also shares insights into what leaders explores what leaders wish they could prioritize and what outdated practices they’re ready to sunset.
Links
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Work With Al Dea: https://al-dea.com/speaking/
Note: This is a replay of one of our most popular episodes from this year
Dani Johnson is the Co-Founder and Principal Analyst at RedThread Research. During this conversation, Dani shares some of her observations and insights from some of her recent conversations and research on the topic of L&D Strategy, the shifting role L&D has within organizations and the implications for learning and talent leaders. Dani also shares some of her thoughts on the potential implications of AI, the ever-present but evolving conversation about the importance of aligning learning to business needs, and the potential impact of AI on learning and the workplace. Finally, Dani also shares some of her thoughts on what’s new and next within the learning tech startup ecosystem.
Links
- Redthread Research: https://redthreadresearch.com/home
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dani-johnson/
- Dani’s LinkedIn Post: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7249051389455138816/#
Note: This is a replay of one of the most popular episodes of 2025
Conor Grennan is the Dean of Students at NYU Stern and the Co-Founder and CEO of AI Mindset, an AI consulting firm. In this episode, Conor shares his insights on how artificial intelligence is reshaping the workplace, leadership, and talent development.
With a unique perspective from both academia and the corporate world, he discusses why AI adoption is more about mindset than technical skill, the role of HR and talent leaders in AI transformation, and how leaders can navigate this shift.
- Website: https://www.ai-mindset.ai/
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorgrennan/
Note: This is a replay episode of one of our most popular episodes of 2025
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work podcast, host Al Dea introduces a new approach to leadership: becoming developers of talent. Al explores how managers and leaders can embrace their roles in fostering employee growth and development in the day-to-day workflow, beyond formal training programs. By offering practical strategies, lightweight tools, and actionable insights, this episode provides listeners with a fresh perspective on embedding development into their management style, empowering their teams, and boosting organizational performance. Discover how small moments can create big impacts in talent development and retention.
Links
- Al’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Article: https://alsnewsletter.substack.com/p/turning-leaders-into-developers-of
Note: This is a replay episode of one of the most popular episodes from the past year
Charlene Li is an Entrepreneur, Consultant, Best-Selling Author and Keynote Speaker. As a longtime expert in studying emerging technologies and their impacts on society, business and leadership, Charlene has a keen eye for what’s new and next and it’s implications for business.
In this episode, Charlene shares her insights on AI, emphasizing its role in commoditizing knowledge and fostering innovation. They delve into the challenges of digital transformation, comparing it to past shifts driven by social media. Charlene also offers insight into where she is seeing organizations make progress in incorporating AI into their work, and highlights the importance of how leaders can think about leading during uncertain and evolving times.
Links
- LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charleneli/
- Website: https://charleneli.com/
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea unpacks a critical skill for today’s workplace: cultivating influence. Whether you're leading a bold change initiative or simply trying to align your team around a shared goal, your ability to influence others—without formal authority—is essential. Drawing from his experience as a facilitator and consultant, Al shares a practical framework of four principles: earning trust, demonstrating credibility, navigating organizational dynamics, and engaging with empathy.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Maya Razon drives Learning & Leadership Development at the Google School for Leaders. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Maya shares how her team designs transformative learning experiences for Google’s global leaders. She explores how the “inner game” of leadership, physical space, and AI integration are reshaping how leaders learn and grow in a rapidly changing world. From leveraging neuroaesthetics in learning environments to adapting leadership programs for social impact innovators, Maya discusses Google’s human-centered, research-informed approach to developing leaders.
Links:
- Maya’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maya-razon-a894343/
- ReWork Article: https://rework.withgoogle.com/en/guides/learning-development-using-science-to-enhance-learning-outcomes
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, host Al Dea explores how leadership development can evolve in the age of Artificial Intelligence. Drawing from his keynote presentations and conversations with talent and business leaders, Al shares now is the time to reimagine how we think about leadership development in a rapidly changing world of work. During this episode, Al offers 4 principles for how leadership development professionals can think and working differently to reshape and take advantage of opportunities in this new world of work.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
In this month’s “Work in Progress” segment, Al Dea is joined by Steve Hunt and Phil Kirschner to unpack three timely topics related to the intersection of talent and the workplace: Moderna’s decision to merge HR and IT, an experiment AI + teamwork experiment from P&G, and whether AI is wiping out the first rung of the career ladder. Together, they explore the implications of AI on job design, team dynamics, early career talent, and the future of work,and what leaders can do to prepare.
Links:
- Steve’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steventhunt/
- Steve’s Book: https://talenttectonics.com/
- Phil’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkirschner/
- Phil’s Newsletter: https://www.flexos.work/the-workline
Articles Mentioned
- Moderna: IT and HR: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-moderna-merged-its-tech-and-hr-departments-95318c2a?st=YTw4p4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
- P&G and Teams: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5188231
- Aneesh Raman NY Times Op Ed: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/19/opinion/linkedin-ai-entry-level-jobs.html
Ruth Hickin is the Vice President of Workforce Innovation at Salesforce. In this episode, Ruth unpacks her team's efforts around digital labor, and shares how her team is preparing Salesforce’s workforce for the age of AI by investing in internal talent through skilling, career mobility, and human-centered design. During our conversation, Ruth provides the philosophy behind Career Connect, an AI-powered internal talent marketplace, and how it’s enabling employees to explore personalized career paths, skill development, and internal opportunities.
Finally, Ruth also shares Salesforce’s approach to job redesign, skill-based management, and the rise of agent collaboration in day-to-day roles.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruth-hickin/
- Article: https://www.hr-brew.com/stories/2025/03/28/hr-leaders-prioritize-l-and-d
- Article: https://www.hr-brew.com/stories/2024/09/04/salesforce-ai-internal-talent-platform
In this episode, The Edge of Work Podcast host Al Dea provides an informal recap of his time at ATD ICE ‘25 in Washington D.C. During this episode, Al covers the basics of ATD ICE, some of the programming and content themes, highlights from the expo floor and vendors, and some of his reflections from the conversations he had with talent and learning leaders.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
- Career Experimentation: https://alsnewsletter.substack.com/p/how-to-help-your-employees-experiment
- Developing Talent: https://theedgeofwork.com/how-to-turn-leaders-into-developers-of-talent/
- ATD ICE: https://atdconference.td.org/
- Uplimit: https://uplimit.com/
- Tenor: https://tenorhq.com/
Kweilin Ellingrud is a Director of the McKinsey Global Institute (MGI) and leads Diversity and Inclusion for McKinsey globally. She is also a senior partner at McKinsey and co-author of The Broken Rung: When the Career Ladder Breaks for Women--and How They Can Succeed in Spite of It, a book on the challenges women face in career advancement.
In this episode, Kweilin joins the podcast to discuss the concept of the "broken rung" or the first step up to manager that many women are disproportionately denied, and how this early gap significantly impacts long-term career progression. Together, they explore the importance of experience capital, the impact of bold career decisions, and the role of leaders and HR in fostering equitable growth.
Kweilin also shares practical insights on strategic networking and recognizing workplace biases, offering listeners tangible strategies to support and advance women in the workplace.
Links
- LinkedIn URL: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kweilinmellingrud/
- Book: https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/mckinsey-on-books/the-broken-rung
Carole Bennett is the Vice President of Talent Management and Development at Sutter Health. In this episode, Carole shares her journey in leading large-scale talent strategy across a major healthcare system. She unpacks how Sutter Health is investing in internal mobility, leadership development, and workforce planning to meet both immediate and long-term needs. Carole also discusses the importance of tying talent strategies to broader business goals, building trust with leaders, the concept of building a "Career Home" and creating career paths that empower employees.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carole-bennett-phd/
Eric Wong is an Organizational Effectiveness Leader at Adobe, where he oversees executive coaching, leads org development efforts, and facilitates leadership development programs. During this conversation Eric shares lessons from his journey across the leadership development industry, including startups, consulting, and corporate leadership, and offers a behind-the-scenes look at how Adobe has built and scaled its coaching strategy.
Eric also shares his perspective on where coaching has been, how it’s evolving, and what companies (and coaches) need to do to stay relevant and impactful. From manager accountability to the role of artificial intelligence in coaching, Eric provides insights on driving business results through leadership development, as well as his perspective on how to stay relevant in the coaching industry.
Samantha Simmons is the Chief People & Internal Operations Officer for the Ladies Professional Golf Association (LPGA). In this episode, Sam shares how the LPGA is navigating growth, performance, and culture in a rapidly changing world of sports and work.
During this conversation, Samantha shared the people org’s strategic priorities and why their team is scaling impact, how the LPGA is investing in manager development and wellness, and why embracing collaboration is key to high-performing teams. Sam also reflects on the evolving employer-employee relationship, the role of autonomy, and the challenges of leading in a mission-driven, global organization.
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssimmonsgpc/
Jim Rowan is a Principal at Deloitte Consulting LLP and the Head of the Artificial Intelligence Practice, where he leads the firm’s AI strategy across client services, alliances, innovation, and internal transformation. During this conversation, Jim shares his thoughts on the current and future state of Artificial Intelligence in the enterprise. He shares insights from Deloitte’s State of Generative AI report, including where organizations are seeing real ROI, why AI agents are generating so much interest, and what leaders should consider as they adopt these emerging technologies.
Finally, Jim also reflects on the role of talent in the age of AI, how enterprises can build responsible strategies, the importance of using this time to scenario plan for the future and why the future of work will likely involve teams of humans and agents collaborating side by side.
Links
- State of Gen AI Report: https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/pages/consulting/articles/state-of-generative-ai-in-enterprise.html
- Jim’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-rowan1/
- Carnegie Mellon Study: The Impact of Gen AI on Critical thinking https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/2025/01/lee_2025_ai_critical_thinking_survey.pdf
Ty Beasley is the Chief Talent Officer at RSM, a leading professional services firm. During this conversation, Al and Ty spend time exploring the evolving world of talent management in professional services.
Ty shares stories from his early career and offers insights into RSM’s approach to talent strategy—covering internal mobility, performance growth, and the role of skills in employee development. They also dive into the challenges and opportunities shaping the industry today, including how AI is transforming talent management and enhancing the employee experience.
Links
- LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ty-w-beasley/
Kelly Jones is the Chief People Officer at Cisco, where she is shaping the future of work and redefining HR in the age of AI. In this episode, Kelly shares insights from her recent blog post on the four transformative trends shaping HR in 2025, including hyper-personalized employee experiences, continuous learning, soft skills as power skills, and well-being as a business imperative.
During this conversation, Kelly discusses the evolving role of HR leaders in driving AI adoption, fostering resilient workforces, and redefining leadership in a hybrid world of humans and AI. Finally, Kelly also offers practical advice for HR professionals on how to bring leaders along in change efforts and ensure people remain at the center of transformation.
Links
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellykjones/
- https://blogs.cisco.com/news/four-transformative-trends-shaping-hr-in-2025
Heather Dunn is the Chief People Officer at Brex, a modern day financial platform. In this conversation, Heather shares her insights from participating at Transform on the "Next Gen Leader" panel and how Brex is rethinking leadership development, prioritizing mindsets over traditional skill rubrics.
During this conversation, Heather shares the company’s shift toward simplification, differentiated talent strategies, and how they’re supporting high-potential employees through top talent programs. Heather also offers a sneak peek into Brex’s evolving talent flywheel, and how the flywheel supports Brex’s employee value proposition in both attracting and retaining talent.
Links
- Heather Dunn's Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hedunn/
- Transform: https://transform.us/
Tina Gupta is the SVP of Talent Management at New York Life Insurance Company, where she leads efforts to transform how employees develop and grow within the organization. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Tina shares insights into New York Life’s ongoing transformation and the role of talent in driving change. She discusses the company’s Career Hub initiative, which leverages AI to help employees navigate career growth, upskilling, and internal mobility. Tina also highlights the evolving role of managers, the importance of a connected talent strategy, and how AI is shaping the future of work.
Links
- Tina’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tina-gupta-4616b49/
Brian Elliott is the CEO of Work Forward and an expert in the workplace strategy space. In this conversation, Brian shares insights from his work with organizations on flexible work, the ongoing return-to-office debate, and how trust impacts productivity and adoption of generative AI.
We also explore how companies are intentionally designing in-person gatherings and why aligning on outcomes—not just activity—is essential for success in the modern workplace. A timely, thought-provoking conversation on what it takes to lead and work effectively in 2025 and beyond.
Links
- Newsletter: https://theworkforward.substack.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/belliott/
- Transform: https://transform.us/
Betsy Summers is a Principal Research Analyst at Forrester Research, covering HR and the future of work. In this episode, Betsy joins host Al Dea to explore the rapidly evolving workplace landscape, from AI’s impact on jobs to the shifting role of HR as a strategic driver of business success. They discuss the challenges HR leaders face in adapting to AI, the growing demand for leadership and management skills, and how organizations can better align talent strategies with business needs. Betsy also shares insights from her research on skills intelligence, workforce planning, and the future of coaching in an AI-driven world.
Links:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/betsyasummers/
- Forrester: https://www.forrester.com/analyst-bio/betsy-summers/BIO16384
Jenny Wood is a former Google Executive and the author of Wild Courage: Go After What You Want and Get It. In this episode, Jenny shares her inspiring journey of launching the groundbreaking "Own Your Career" initiative at Google, a movement that empowered thousands of employees to take charge of their professional paths.
During the conversation, Jenny shares some key career advice from the book including, including redefining traits like courage, influence, and authenticity to advance in a competitive workplace. Jenny also shares practical strategies for overcoming imposter syndrome, navigating office dynamics, and standing out through bold actions.
Links
- Website: https://itsjennywood.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennyilles/
- Book: https://itsjennywood.com/book
This week, we are live in Las Vegas with 4,000 other professionals across the HR and people ecosystem at the Transform Conference. In this episode, we share two of our interviews with leaders across the HR Ecosystem to find out what’s on their mind and what’s going on in the world of work. Listen in to this conversation to hear perspectives from Kyle Forrest (Principal, Deloitte Consulting LLP) and Rebecca Stern (Senior Director, Leadership Development and Interim CLO, Udemy.)
Links
- Kyle Forrest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyleforrest/
- Rebecca Stern: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccastern12/
- Transform: https://transform.us/
In this special episode of The Edge of Work, host Al Dea launches a new segment called Work in Progress. In this episode, he is joined by returning guests Shonna Waters and Angela Cheng-Cimini to explore the intersection of AI and leadership development. Together, they discuss the latest research and insights on how AI is shaping leadership, the challenges of adoption, and the opportunities it presents for developing leaders. From personalized learning to AI-driven coaching, they unpack what’s happening now and what’s ahead. Plus, they debate the risks of over-reliance on AI and its impact on critical thinking. Don’t miss this insightful conversation on the future of leadership in an AI-driven world.
Links
- Angela’s Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angela-cheng-cimini/
- Shonna’s Profile:https://www.linkedin.com/in/shonna-waters/
- Article 1: https://brandonhall.com/how-to-leverage-ai-technology-to-improve-leadership-development-effectiveness/
- Article 2: https://time.com/charter/7210141/davos-ai-leadership/
- Article 3: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/2025/01/lee_2025_ai_critical_thinking_survey.pdf
David Burkus is a Leadership and Teamwork expert, keynote speaker, and author of Best Team Ever. During this conversation, David shares key insights from his book Best Team Ever on what makes teams thrive in today's workplace. We explore the science behind high-performing teams, the critical role of psychological safety, and why work is increasingly about collaboration. Plus, David breaks down practical strategies for leading cross-functional teams, building social capital, and fostering a culture where everyone contributes their best.
- Website:https://davidburkus.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidburkus/
Conor Grennan is the Dean of Students at NYU Stern and the Co-Founder and CEO of AI Mindset, an AI consulting firm. In this episode, Conor shares his insights on how artificial intelligence is reshaping the workplace, leadership, and talent development.
With a unique perspective from both academia and the corporate world, he discusses why AI adoption is more about mindset than technical skill, the role of HR and talent leaders in AI transformation, and how leaders can navigate this shift.
- Website: https://www.ai-mindset.ai/
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conorgrennan/
Jennifer Petriglieri is the associate professor at INSEAD and author of Couples That Work: How Dual-Career Couples Can Thrive in Love and Work. During this conversation, she joins The Edge of Work to discuss the challenges and strategies that dual-career couples use to navigate their professional and personal lives. She shares insights on the three career models couples adopt, how organizations can better support top talent with partners, and why proactive career conversations are crucial for long-term success. Finally, she offers practical advice for individuals and leaders looking to create sustainable career paths in today’s evolving workplace.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jpetriglieri/
Website: https://www.jpetriglieri.com/
HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2018/05/talent-management-and-the-dual-career-couple
HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2019/09/how-dual-career-couples-make-it-work
In this episode of The Edge of Work podcast, host Al Dea explores the concept of 'lead from anywhere'. Al shares insights from a virtual keynote, emphasizing that leadership isn't only a formal title but an action that everyone can practice.
He delves into key principles such as situational awareness, developing organizational IQ, investing in relationships, creating opportunities for others, and being a continuous learner and teacher. This episode is packed with actionable advice to inspire you to cultivate leadership qualities in yourself and others, regardless of your position within an organization. Perfect for individuals in cross-functional or collaborative roles looking to drive impact and lead effectively from any level.
Links
- Website: https://al-dea.com/
- Article: https://www.td.org/content/td-magazine/lead-from-anywhere?lid=h4ekw96t966r
Chris Louie is the Head of Talent Development at Thomson Reuters, where he leads initiatives in talent acquisition, learning and development, and diversity and inclusion.
During the conversation, Chris shares his journey from finance to talent leadership and offers his perspective on career growth, skills, and the transformative potential of AI in the workplace.
He introduces Thomson Reuters’ “Grow My Way” program, designed to empower employees with personalized career development opportunities and a skills-first approach. Chris also discusses how AI is reshaping both customer solutions and internal operations, emphasizing the need for experimentation, adaptability, and interconnected systems.
Links
- Chris Louie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrislouie/
- Al Dea: https://www.al-dea.com/
Note: This is a replay of a top performing episode from 2024
In today's workplace, career development is critical for attracting, engaging, and retaining talent. Employees expect a job with opportunities for growth and advancement. Managers can shape the employee experience and drive team performance.
In this episode, The Edge of Work Founder and Podcast Host, Al Dea shares some of the research that he and the team have been doing around how to promote a culture of career development inside of your organization.
In this episode, Al covers:
- The importance of career development as it relates to performance, agility, and talent attracting and retention
- What employees are looking for out of managers for support
- What managers can do to support employee career development
- What steps organizations can take to create a culture of career development
Additional Links
- Research Highlights: https://theedgeofwork.com/people-growth-equation-career-development-report/
- Al’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Note: This is a replay of a top performing episode from 2024
Christopher Lind, is a Chief Learning Officer, and the writer of the Future-Focused Newsletter and host of the Future-Focused Podcast. A longtime leader in the learning and development profession, Chris has a keen understanding of the intersection of business, technology and workers, and its implications for the learning profession.
In this conversation, Chris discusses the importance of finding purpose in any job, the changing landscape of learning and development, the role of a Chief Learning Officer, and the impact of artificial intelligenceI on work. Christopher emphasizes the need for intentional relationship building, self-reflection, and understanding the context of employees' work experiences. He also encourages leaders to recognize the value and potential of every individual in their organization.
Links:
- LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherlind/
- Website: https://christopherlind.substack.com/
Note: This is a replay of a top performing episode from 2024
Adam Hickman is the Vice President of Learning and Org Development at Partners Federal Credit Union, a Walt Disney Company. In addition to this role, Adam is an author and professor and writes and speaks regularly on topics related to management and leadership.
During our conversation, Adam dove into some of the changes in the workplace and the implications of those changes (ex: technology) for what companies need out of their people managers so that they can have engaged and productive employees.
Adam also shared some of his team’s strategy and approach at his organization around manager effectiveness, the approaches they are taking in redesign the role of the manager and develop good managers, and his own to recruit and empower effective managers, and some of his own thoughts on how you can create a better world of work through better managers.
In this solo episode, host Al Dea explores five key themes shaping the workplace in 2025. From the power of "People Smarts" and enhancing social capital to making talent development a core leadership capability, Al highlights the critical strategies leaders need to thrive in a changing world. He also discusses artificial intelligence as a catalyst for reimagining work and the importance of practice in building new skills and capabilities.
Links
- Al’s Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Al’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Andrew Barry is the CEO of Curious Lion, a Leadership Development Consulting Firm. During this conversation, Andrew discusses how leaders can embrace uncertainty and adapt to a fast-changing workplace. Andrew shares personal insights from navigating challenges in his own business, highlighting the importance of vulnerability, collaboration, and learning through ambiguity.
During this chat, which was recorded live at ATD’ 24 in New Orleans, they delve into the evolving role of leadership development, focusing on empowering middle managers through cohort-based learning and creating "aha moments" that challenge mindsets and assumptions. Finally, Andrew emphasizes the power of shared experiences and perspectives in driving innovation and problem-solving.
Links
- Web: https://curiouslionlearning.com/
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AndrewBarryCuriousLion
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/realandrewbarry/
Note: This is a replay of a top performing episode from 2024
Dr. Michael Arena is an author, researcher, and co-founder of Connected Commons and former talent executive at companies including General Motors, Bank of America and Amazon. With a passion for research in the studies of collaboration, social connection and organizational dynamics, Michael has a keen sense and understanding of the state of today’s workplace, and ideas for what organizations can do to create opportunities for their people to work productively and collaboratively.
During our conversation, Michael spoke about key topics including the importance of social capital, the power of intentional collaboration and what organizations can do to maximize the impact of the work of their teams. Michael also shared his thoughts on the true impact of serendipity, the importance of creating the right conditions for collaboration, and his own thoughts on how to create a better world of work.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-arena-21b6164/
- Articles: https://www.hrexchangenetwork.com/contributor/michael-arena
- Book: Adaptive Space:
Note: This is a replay of a top performing episode from 2024
Herminia Ibarra is a Professor at London Business School and the author of Working Identity: Unconventional Strategies for Reinventing Your Career. Herminia's book came out over 20+ years ago, and helped pioneer a new way of thinking about career reinvention, and since then, has gone on to help and inspire many professionals looking to transition into new careers by tapping into their multiple selves. It was recently updated, and the second edition was published in the fall of 2023.
During our conversation, Herminia spoke about what’s changed in the workplace and how we think about career reinvention since she first published her book in 2003, as well as what still remains. She also shared her perspective on why career reinvention is so hard, why we expect more out of our work and our careers, and how using exploration and experimentation can help us iterate, reinvent and evolve amidst a changing world of work.
Links:
- Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/herminia-ibarra-4455411a/
- Herminia’s Book: https://herminiaibarra.com/working-identity-book/
Nicole Forward is an executive development leader with extensive experience in building and scaling coaching inside of organizations. During this conversation. Nicole shares her journey of building coaching functions from the ground up and provides a crash course on how companies can operationalize coaching strategically and sustainably. Nicole also spoke about the history and future of coaching, including the impact of AI on coaching practices, the importance of aligning coaching with organizational goals, and how to measure its impact. Finally, also discusses the rise of transformational coaching, integrating mind-body approaches, and navigating the challenges of democratizing coaching inside organizations today.
- Nicole’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicoleforward/
- David Goldsmith and 7PathsForward
- NYU Summit for Coaching & Technology:
- Rebecca Rutschmann and Viva La Coaching
- Strozzi Institute
- Scaling Development vs. Scaling Coaching and Michael Hudson's white paper
- Jonathan Passmore
- Nick Petrie and the work at Adeption
- Jennifer Garvey Berger
- Bill Torbert
- Staci Haines
- Coaches Rising
- Amanda Blake
- EPOG Academy and Tim Harrison
- Nicky Terblanche
- The Body Keeps the Score
- Thomas Hubl
- Dr. Gabor Mate
- Stephen Porges
- Deb Dana
- Dr. David Drake
- Ethan Mollick
- Sam Isaacson
- Worldwide Opportunities on Organic Farms
In this episode, Stefani Okamoto, Director of Manager Excellence at ServiceNow, shares her journey in transforming leadership and management practices.
Drawing on her experience spearheading manager excellence at leading organizations such as Microsoft and now at ServiceNow, Stefani explains what manager excellence is and why it matters to growth-oriented companies. Stefani also shares the importance of rolling out manager excellence in a a systemic, culture-driven approach.
Additionally, Stefani also talked about the importance of listening tours, creating clear expectations for managers, and enabling them through tailored learning solutions. Finally, Stefani shared her vision for the future, including leveraging AI for coaching and fostering courageous conversations.
Links
- Stefani’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefani-okamoto-1376039/
- Al Dea: https://al-dea.com/leadership-offerings/
Anthony Stephan is the Chief Learning Officer at Deloitte. With responsibility for developing over 180,000 employees globally, Anthony has spent the past two years in his role embarking on transforming the learning business at Deloitte to evolve the organization to continue to deliver and drive business impact.
During our conversation, Anthony shared insights from his first two years in the role, including how a 100-day listening sprint shaped his strategy. He delves into the launch of Project 120, a $1.4 billion investment in skills development, the shifts in the strategy and ways of working the L&D business has made at Deloitte as well as Deloitte’s innovative use of AI-powered tools for their Human Potential Leadership Offerings.
Finally, Anthony also explores the future of apprenticeship and milestone programs, emphasizing both "hot skills" (technical) and enduring skills (human skills) that they are focused on at Deloitte.
- Anthony Stephan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyrstephan/
- Al Dea: https://www.al-dea.com/
- Article: 100 Conversations in 100 days; https://www.hrdive.com/news/deloittes-chief-learning-officer-leadership-insight/700847/
In this solo episode of The Edge of Work podcast, host Al Dea introduces a new approach to leadership: becoming developers of talent. Al explores how managers and leaders can embrace their roles in fostering employee growth and development in the day-to-day workflow, beyond formal training programs. By offering practical strategies, lightweight tools, and actionable insights, this episode provides listeners with a fresh perspective on embedding development into their management style, empowering their teams, and boosting organizational performance. Discover how small moments can create big impacts in talent development and retention.
- Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Al's Website: https://www.al-dea.com/
Dani Johnson is the Co-Founder and Principal Analyst at RedThread Research. During this conversation, Dani shares some of her observations and insights from some of her recent conversations and research on the topic of L&D Strategy, the shifting role L&D has within organizations and the implications for learning and talent leaders.
Dani also shares some of her thoughts on the potential implications of AI, the ever-present but evolving conversation about the importance of aligning learning to business needs, and the potential impact of AI on learning and the workplace. Finally, Dani also shares her thoughts on what’s new and next within the learning tech startup ecosystem.
Links
- Redthread Research: https://redthreadresearch.com/home
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dani-johnson/
- Dani’s LinkedIn Post: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7249051389455138816/#
Lisa Christensen is the Director of Learning Design at McKinsey & Company. Drawing from her research, Lisa discusses how McKinsey uses apprenticeship as a key element of its culture, focusing on how it serves as a powerful mechanism for transferring skills and fostering collaboration.
During this conversation, Lisa shares insights from her work on apprenticeship, emphasizing its importance in developing talent within the professional services environment.
They also explore how apprenticeship can be applied beyond traditional hierarchical models, and the potential for integrating AI into the future of apprenticeship.
Links
- https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/people-in-progress/embracing-apprenticeship-as-a-way-of-life-a-new-definition-for-an-old-idea
- https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/apprenticeship-gets-a-makeover
- https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/reviving-the-art-of-apprenticeship-to-unlock-continuous-skill-development
Ana Maria Sencovici is the Chief Talent Officer at Royal Caribbean Group. In this role, she oversees talent management, career development, and leadership strategies for the organization.
During this conversation, she shares her approach to career development, focusing on empowering employees through a systemic approach to career development that goes beyond traditional roles and promotions. Ana Maria discusses how Royal Caribbean’s 'My Career Journey' platform enables employees to take ownership of their growth by emphasizing skills, feedback, and personal aspirations.
She also explores the evolving nature of careers, stressing the importance of adaptability and the development of career 'meta skills' to navigate today's dynamic work environment.
Finally, Ana Maria offers insights into how leaders can create a culture of development that supports meaningful employee growth and engagement.
Links
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/asencovici/
- Al: https://al-dea.com/leadership-offerings/
This is an episode that features 4 interviews from key leaders and speakers at SIOP’s Leading Edge Consortium in late October 2024. In this episode, we speak with four key leaders including Shonna Waters, Trish Vassar, Sophia Lamuraglia, and Richard Chambers.
During the conversation, we explore key topics including what it means for leaders to lead effectively in a changing workplace, the role of AI in leadership development, and what’s top of mind for those in the organizational psychology profession in today’s workplace.
This episode also explores key leadership development practices, including AI-driven coaching tools, simplified competency models, and the critical role of learning agility in preparing leaders for an uncertain future.
Links
- SIOP Leading Edge Consortium: https://www.siop.org/Leading-Edge-Consortium
- Trish Vassar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trish-vassar-phd-96aab1/
- Richard Chambers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-chambers-phd-aa680a56/
- Shonna Waters: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shonna-waters/
- Sofia Lamuraglia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sofialamuraglia/
In this special episode, we traveled to Nashville to attend the Guild Opportunity Summit.
This episode features conversations with Matthew Daniel, Talent Strategist at Guild, Terrence Cummings, Chief People & Opportunity Officer at Guild, and Katie Giles, VP of Associate Experience at Gentiva and Board Member at AMPED Louisville.
During each interview, they explore key themes such as skills-based organizations, the impact of AI on talent development and the workforce, and creating equitable opportunities for all those who have been underserved.
Links
- Guild Opportunity Summit: https://events.guild.com/opportunitysummit2024
- Guild Website: https://guild.com/
- AMPED Louisville: https://ampedlouisville.org/
- Work with Al Dea: https://al-dea.com/leadership-offerings/
Jennifer Buchanan is the VP of Walmart Academy at Walmart. In her role, Jennifer is responsible for a learning ecosystem that supports millions of Walmart associates with the development resources they need to be effective today while setting them up for success and opportunities for development in the future.
During the conversation, Jennifer spoke about the Manager Academy, a program aimed at developing leadership skills through purpose-driven training focused on culture, values, and empathy for thousands of Walmart’s store manager. Jennifer also highlighted Walmart’s investment in their associates' growth, including the global expansion of the Manager Academy and the introduction of programs like Live Better U. along with the company’s commitment to fostering a learning culture.
Links:
- https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/8-ways-we-improved-one-nations-largest-training-walmart-buchanan-vmzic/?trackingId=oZtVrrRlRSiw7UkxPeJUZA%3D%3D
- Jennifer’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferabuchanan/
Sarah Franklin is the CEO at Lattice. After starting her career as a chemical engineer, Sarah spent 15 years at Salesforce and along the way has spent a lot of time collaborating and partnering with different C-Suite roles on using technology and AI to enhance the employee experience. Now, in her role as CEO of an HR software company, Sarah spends her time talking with Chief People Officers and has a keen understanding of how they navigate the strategic and operational challenges in today’s work environment.
During this conversation, Sarah shares her reflections on the evolving role of HR, the CEO-CPH relationships, and the role of and how companies can foster manager effectiveness to drive performance and employee engagement. Sarah also shares insights on the role of AI in HR, balancing technology with human skills and strategies for creating high-performing teams in today’s dynamic workplace.
Links
- Sarah Franklin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahfranklin/
- Lattice: www.lattice.com
- Lattice & YouGov Research: https://lattice.com/library/lattice-research-reveals-what-employees-really-think-about-hrs-impact-on-culture
- V2MOM Background: https://www.salesforce.com/blog/how-to-create-alignment-within-your-company/
- Al Dea: https://al-dea.com/contact/
Rob Cross is an SVP of Research at the i4cp. A longtime expert, researcher, and author on the collaboration, teams, and organizational network analysis, Rob and his colleagues at the i4cp have recently conducted research to unearth the leading practices of how leaders collaborate effectively in today’s workplace.
During this conversation, Rob Cross discusses the challenges of collaboration overload in the workplace. He explains that the explosion of collaborative work is drowning people today, leading to stress and burnout. He emphasizes the need for organizations to be intentional and precise in their collaboration efforts, rather than simply throwing meetings and teams at everything.
Rob also highlights additional findings from The Team Network Effective, including the importance of effective talent practices and leadership behaviors in driving precision collaboration, what gets in the way of productive collaboration, and how leaders can make time to collaborate in intentional and precise ways.
Links:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/crossrob/
- Web: https://www.i4cp.com/
- Research: The Team Network Effect: https://go.i4cp.com/teams
Note: This is a replay from a LinkedIn Live Podcast with Lindsey Pollak
Lindsey Pollak is a Career and Workplace Expert, Best-Selling Author and Keynote Speaker.
In this conversation, Al and Lindsey discuss the evolution of career development strategies as outlined in Lindsay's latest book, 'Getting From College to Career.' They explore the significant changes in the job market, the impact of technology and AI, the importance of flexibility in work-life integration, and the need for a supportive environment for first-time professionals. Lindsay emphasizes actionable advice for job seekers, the value of networking, and the necessity of a growth mindset in navigating career transitions.
Links
- Lindsey Pollak: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindseypollak/
- Lindsey’s Website: https://lindseypollak.com/
We’ve got a special episode! This week, we’re in Las Vegas for the HR Tech Conference hosted by HR Executive. During the week, we spoke with a handful of leaders from various parts of the HR ecosystem to better understand what’s new and next at the intersection of technology, talent, and the workplace, including Jason Averbook (Mercer,) Carina Cortez, (Cornerstone) Kyle Forrest (Deloitte Consulting) and Thomas Stone (I4CP.)
This episode features unique insights into key trends in the broader HR/technology landscape, including key insights into the role of AI, agents, and HR, the potential opportunity for collaboration between humans and machines, the intersection of tech solutions for improving company culture, and the opportunities for AI-powered learning and talent development.
Links
- HR-Tech: https://www.hrtechnologyconference.com/
- Jason Averbook, Senior Partner, Mercer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonaverbook/
- Carina Cortez, Chief People Officer, Cornerstone: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carinacortez/
- Kyle Forrest, Principal & Chief Marketing Officer, Human Capital, Deloitte Consulting LLP: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyleforrest/
- Thomas Stone, Senior Research Analyst, I4CP: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomrstone/
Katya Laviolette is the Chief People Officer at 1Password. A fully remote organization since its inception in 2005, 1Password has undergone significant growth over the past few years as it’s moved up to the enterprise, and has had to adapt and evolve its people and talent strategy to meet the needs of an evolving business and market.
During our conversation, Katya spoke about some of the approaches she and the team have taken to strategically build a robust set of programs that provide intentional support and scaffolding to enable their workforce to be effective and engaged. Katya also spoke about the importance of leaders establishing clear guidelines and engaging in productive conflict, as well as how the company's remote-first environment has supplemented its focus on diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB).
Links
- Katya’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katya-laviolette-6907b726/
- Katya’s Previous Episode on The Edge of Work: https://theedgeofwork.buzzsprout.com/2046865/14679777-live-from-transform-mutual-mentorship-with-katya-laviolette-cpo-1password
Jolen Anderson is the Chief People and Community Officer at BetterUp. In her role, Jolen is not just responsible for leading the talent and people strategy at BetterUp, but she also connects and speaks with numerous HR leaders and other members of the broader HR ecosystem.
During the conversation, Jolen spoke about the challenges and opportunities facing HR leaders today, and the complex nature of the role, especially in navigating both technology topics (ex: Artificial Intelligence) as well as human topics (ex: politics) Jolen also spoke about the importance of developing managers and leaders with skills in resilience, empathy, and coaching, so they can help elevate the performance of each individual employee.
Links:
- Jolen Anderson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jolen-anderson-5616762/
- BetterUp: Pilots vs Passengers: https://grow.betterup.com/pilots-passengers
- Work with Al: https://al-dea.com/leadership-offerings/
Charlene Li is an Entrepreneur, Consultant, Best-Selling Author and Keynote Speaker. As a longtime expert in studying emerging technologies and their impacts on society, business and leadership, Charlene has a keen eye for what’s new and next and it’s implications for business.
In this episode, Charlene shares her insights on AI, emphasizing its role in commoditizing knowledge and fostering innovation. They delve into the challenges of digital transformation, comparing it to past shifts driven by social media. Charlene also offers insight into where she is seeing organizations make progress in incorporating AI into their work, and highlights the importance of how leaders can think about leading during uncertain and evolving times.
Links
- LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charleneli/
- Website: https://charleneli.com/
Dr. Alison Fragale is a Professor at UNC Kenan-Flagler Business School, a Keynote Speaker, and Author. She is the author of the newly released book Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve. A longtime researcher and expert in negotiations, influence and power dynamics, Alison’s book takes aim at helping women understand both the science and stories behind these topics to help women achieve their goals.
During our conversation Alison explores the complex dynamics of power, status, and gender in the workplace. She also shares practical strategies for navigating these challenges, enhancing influence, and becoming both assertive and warm—a “likeble badass.”
Links:
- Website: www.alisonfragale.com
- Newsletter: https://alisonfragale.substack.com/
- Book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/712677/likeable-badass-by-alison-fragale-phd
Christopher Lind, is a Chief Learning Officer, and the writer of the Future-Focused Newsletter and host of the Future-Focused Podcast. A longtime leader in the learning and development profession, Chris has a keen understanding of the intersection of business, technology and workers, and its implications for the learning profession.
In this conversation, Chris discusses the importance of finding purpose in any job, the changing landscape of learning and development, the role of a Chief Learning Officer, and the impact of artificial intelligenceI on work. Christopher emphasizes the need for intentional relationship building, self-reflection, and understanding the context of employees' work experiences. He also encourages leaders to recognize the value and potential of every individual in their organization.
Links:
- LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherlind/
- Website: https://christopherlind.substack.com/
Megha Bansal Rizoli is a Senior Director at Jobs For the Future (JFF). In her role, Megha spends her time working with employers to help them build and adopt new and inclusive talent practices that create quality jobs and career mobility for more workers.
During our conversation, Megha dissected what makes an Impact Employer and why they are so critical in today’s workplace.
Megha also spoke about the Impact Employer Model that she and her team at JFF have developed to help organizations build more inclusive talent practices, including sharing details of the building blocks that Impact Employers can focus on, examples of inclusive talent practices, as well as insights into how Megha and her team at JFF using the Impact Employer Model to help organizations invest in their talent to grow their business.
Links
- JFF Impact Employer Website: https://www.jff.org/idea/impact-employer-model/
- Impact Employer Summit: https://horizons.jff.org/ies
- Megha's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpbrizoli/
Sarah Tilley is the SVP of Talent Acquisition and Management at ServiceNow. With an organization that has over 24,000 employees across 74 different countries, Sarah and her team are focused on delivering a holistic talent strategy that supports employees across the entire talent lifecycle.
During our conversation, Tilley spoke about how she and her team are thinking about a holistic and integrated talent strategy ranging from talent acquisition through succession planning and mobility. Tilley also shared how she and her team are thinking about delivering a talent strategy with respect to key trends around artificial intelligence and skills, as well as the importance of supporting employee career development through enabling strong people managers.
In this episode, Al Dea sits down with Emily Lin, Chief Learning Officer at MasterCard, and Shannon Custard, Global Head of Learning for IKEA, to discuss the latest research from CLO Lift, an organization of Learning leaders from global organizations focused on advancing the learning and development (L&D) profession.
During the conversation, Emily and Shannon share their aspirations for collaborating on CLO LIFT, as well as digging into their research on securing and demonstrating the value of time, and navigating the evolving landscape of skills.
Emily and Shannon share practical insights and strategies to help L&D leaders drive organizational impact and foster a culture of continuous learning in today's fast-paced work environment.
Links
- Emily Lin’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilyylin/
- Shannon Custard’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannoncustard/
- The Learning Forum: https://thelearningforum.org/
- CLO Lift Research: https://learningforum.substack.com/
Bruce Feiler is Best-Selling Author of multiple books. Today, he joins Al on The Edge of Work to talk about his most recent book The Search: Finding Meaningful Work in a Post Career World. During this conversation, Bruce shares his own perspective on how the world of work is changing, and how the very definition of a career is changing in a world of work that is non-linear. Bruce also shares his perspective on the importance of finding meaningful work, the various types of “jobs” people have and why most people actually have more than one job, and his own perspective on the role that leaders play in fostering a work environment that unlocks the potential and purpose of each employee.
Links:
- Website: https://www.brucefeiler.com/
- Newsletter: https://brucefeiler.substack.com/
The Edge of Work has been exploring the role of the manager as well as the emphasis on manager development throughout its three seasons.
During this episode, Al will cover:
- Why the manager is back in the spotlight
- The challenges that managers face in today’s workplace
- How to Reimagine The Role of the Manager
- Some best practices for developing managers fit to lead in today’s workplace
Links:
- https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/stop-wasting-your-most-precious-resource-middle-managers
- Kameko Leung and Aspiring Managers: https://podcasts.apple.com/cz/podcast/the-changing-landscape-of-talent-development/id1378433981?i=1000626064591&l=cs
- HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2023/11/reimagine-your-managerial-pipeline
Note: This is a reply of a popular episode from 2023
Nick Holmes is the Head of Career Experience at Fishawack Health, a healthcare organization based in the United Kingdom.
As the head of Career Experience, Nick’s role is to build an organization that not only attracts great employees, but develops them, retains them and provides them opportunities to grow so they can contribute to Fishawack Health. Upon taking the role, Nick had a bold mandate, which was to develop and implement a new strategy around career development and the transformation to enable it so Fishawack Health could compete for top talent in a very competitive labor market.
During this conversation, Nick spoke about the “why” for going under this massive transformation. Nick also shared some of the feedback that employees provided on the new programs, technologies and pathways, how they were able to change the culture and behaviors around career development in “drumbeats, not lightning bolts.”
Nick also spoke about how the various technologies and programs that were a part of the transformation engage and interact with employees, Nick’s own learnings to date from leading the transformation, as well as his advice to others who are thinking about developing and implementing a career development strategy for their organization.
Links:
- Nick’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickholmeslandd/
- Profile on Fishawack Health: https://fuel50.com/2022/11/talent-experience-fishawack-health/
Note: This is a reply of a popular episode from 2023
Dr. Gabriella Rosen Kellerman is the Chief Innovation Officer for BetterUp Labs, as well as the Co-Author of the book Tomorrowmind: Thriving at Work, Now and In an Uncertain Future. As a psychologist, Gabriella has studied the workplace and works each day in her role to help envision and create a better world of work.
During our conversation Gabriella spoke about the history of work back from the hunter-gather days until present day, as well as the challenges that leaders and employees face in navigating a constantly changing and evolving world of work.
Drawing on the concepts, research, and ideas, from her book as well as from her work at BetterUp Labs, Gabriella provided us with some ideas about the key skills that leaders and managers should both develop in order to lead effectively in today’s world of work, and how they can help their employees navigate the complexities and uncertainties of a constantly changing workplace, ranging from navigating uncertainty, mattering and purpose, and developing social connection regardless of location.
Links
- Website: https://www.gabriellarosenkellerman.com/
- Gabriella’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grkellerman/
- Al’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Tomorrowmind/Gabriella-Rosen-Kellerman/9781982159764
In today's workplace, career development is critical for attracting, engaging, and retaining talent. Employees expect a job with opportunities for growth and advancement. Managers can shape the employee experience and drive team performance.
In this episode, The Edge of Work Founder and Podcast Host, Al Dea shares some of the research that he and the team have been doing around how to promote a culture of career development inside of your organization.
In this episode, Al covers:
- The importance of career development as it relates to performance, agility, and talent attracting and retention
- What employees are looking for out of managers for support
- What managers can do to support employee career development
- What steps organizations can take to create a culture of career development
Additional Links
- Research Highlights: https://theedgeofwork.com/people-growth-equation-career-development-report/
- Al’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Chrissie Arnold is the Director of Future of Work Programs at Slack. In her role, Arnold is tasked with identifying and testing new and novel ways of working that can help improve the way that Slack employees work so that they can improve key business results including productivity, employee engagement and employee satisfaction.
During our conversation, Chrissie spoke about some of the lessons she’s learned about experimenting with new ways of working and thinking about work as well as some of the examples of different experiments that she and her team have run to help employees work better. Chrissie also shares some of her thoughts on how leaders can challenge workplace norms, build a culture of experimentation inside of their company, and her own perspective on how leaders can think differently about work.
Links
- Chrissie’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrissiearnold/
- Slack Workforce Lab Research: https://slack.com/resources/collections/workforce-lab#explore-workforce-lab-research-
Dr. Michael Arena is an author, researcher, and co-founder of Connected Commons and former talent executive at companies including General Motors, Bank of America and Amazon. With a passion for research in the studies of collaboration, social connection and organizational dynamics, Michael has a keen sense and understanding of the state of today’s workplace, and ideas for what organizations can do to create opportunities for their people to work productively and collaboratively.
During our conversation, Michael spoke about key topics including the importance of social capital, the power of intentional collaboration and what organizations can do to maximize the impact of the work of their teams. Michael also shared his thoughts on the true impact of serendipity, the importance of creating the right conditions for collaboration, and his own thoughts on how to create a better world of work.
Links
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-arena-21b6164/
- Articles: https://www.hrexchangenetwork.com/contributor/michael-arena
- Book: Adaptive Space:
Note: This is a special episode from our conversations with talent development leaders at the ATD ‘24 Conference in New Orleans back in May 2024.
Jason Hudgins is a Senior Consultant of Leadership Development at Wellstar Health. During our conversation, Jason spoke about the challenges that many hospital leaders face today, and the important characteristics that leaders need to effectively lead in complex healthcare environments.
Jason also highlighted a coaching program that he helped roll out to leaders inside Wellstar with the support of a partnership with Sounding Board Inc, some of the key business objectives the leadership development program and coaching helped solve, and his advice to other organizations looking to leverage coaching as part of their leadership development programs.
Jelena Djordjevic is the Chief People Officer at Thumbtack. During the early months of the 2020 Global Pandemic, Thumbtack made the decision to go virtual first, and subsequently and iteratively implemented a people strategy that enabled its thousands of employees to work effectively in a whole new way. Three years later, Thumbtack remains virtual first, and under Djordevic’s leadership has taken a strategic and intentional approach to aligning their people strategy with their business strategy to drive results, for both the business and their people.
During our conversation, Djordjevic shared her own philosophy as a Chief People Officer about how she strategically thinks about the role of the HR function in enabling business strategy. Jelena also shared some of the programs and policies that are a part of their people strategy for a virtual-first organizations, how she and her team use data to drive strategy and programs, and how she and Thumbtack thing about critical levers of a virtual first organization, such as fostering connection, in-person experiences, and the role of their managers.
Links:
- Jelena’s Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jzdjordjevic/
- https://blog.thumbtack.com/two-years-in-our-virtual-first-model-is-here-to-stay-and-its-only-getting-better-18d33c443d80
- https://blog.thumbtack.com/new-report-finds-employees-perform-their-best-when-working-virtually-and-senior-leaders-agree-59eee67c8aac
Note: This is a special episode from our conversations with talent development leaders at the ATD ‘24 Conference in New Orleans back in May 2024.
Terence Morley is the VP of Global Talent Development at NBC Universal. Under his leadership, Terence and his talent and learning team have launched a number of key talent development initiatives to help employees develop, grow and manage their careers across the diverse business lines within NBC Universal ranging from theme park to news and media employees.
During our conversation, Terence spoke about the importance of helping employees learn the critical skills for managing their careers, the benefits of this approach, and how he and his team are bringing this to life through their Talent Lab Program. Terence also shared some highlights from other leadership development programs for managers at NBC Universal and his own thoughts and perspective on how to create a better world of work.
- Terence's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/terence-morley-cptd-5554243/
Mitch Joel is a Keynote Speaker, Author, Entrepreneur and Host of the Six Pixels of Separation Podcast. Through his podcast and keynote speaking, Mitch regularly speaks with entrepreneurs, leaders, founders and executives about the workplace, and has diverse and keen insights into the world of work. During our conversation, Mitch spoke about his own observations from his many conversations on key topics in the workplace ranging from changing employee expectations, organizational culture and the value of connection. Mitch also spoke about the expectations around remote and hybrid, the importance of continuous learning, and the opportunities for employees who embrace a squiggly career in today’s world of work.
Links
- Mitch’s Website: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchjoel/
- Mitch’s Podcast: https://www.sixpixels.com/category/podcast/
Note: This is a live episode recorded from the Association For Talent Development (ATD) International Conference and Expo in New Orleans.
Kimberly Currier is the Global Vice President of Learning at AECOM. As a Global Leader of Learning, Kimberly has a large responsibility in shaping the talent and learning strategy at AECOM.
In this conversation live from ATD '24 in New Orleans, Kimberly shared her thoughts trends on what she is following as a talent development leader, as well as her thoughts on relevant skills for talent development leaders to stay ahead in today's changing world of work.
Paul Young is the Chief Financial Officer at Liberty Bank. Established in 1825, Liberty Bank is the largest and oldest independent mutual bank in the United States.
In this conversation, Paul shared how he and his colleagues at Liberty Bank began investing in apprenticeship programs in order to develop and retain talent inside the finance organization.
Paul also spoke about the opportunities and business benefits that he was able to deliver as a result of investing in their workforce through apprenticeship programs, his ideas and aspirations for future plans for developing talent, and his advice for how talent and hr professionals can partner with their peers in the finance function to better invest and retain talent to drive business results.
Links
- Paul’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pyoungcpa/
- News article: https://www.aicpa-cima.com/news/article/aicpa-and-us-department-of-labor-sign-inaugural-employers-to-apprenticeship
Tiffany Poeppelman is a Director of Career Development at LinkedIn. Fresh off presenting at her talk at ATD’ 24 titled “Talent Development in the Age of AI,” Tiffany spoke to us about some of the trends and data from the 2024 Annual Work Trend Index around AI, career development and learning.
During the conversation, Tiffany also shared insights and observations about the gap between AI interest and implementation, and the need for upskilling employees, as well as some examples of how companies including Kraft-Heinz and NBC Universal are learning about AI through experimentation. Tiffany also shared her own thoughts as a talent development leader about how to elevate the Talent and learning profession.
Links:
- Tiffany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tpoeppelman/
- LinkedIn AI Upskilling Framework and access to 50 Free LinkedIn AI Courses (Until 7/8/2024): https://www.linkedin.com/business/talent/blog/learning-and-development/new-framework-for-ai-upskilling?trk=eow
Nathan Manuel is a Workplace Strategy Leader and Co-Founder of PM2 Consulting, a Workplace Strategy Consulting firm. After leading workplace strategy at a number of organizations including most recently at PagerDuty, Nathan has a keen sense on the designing forward thinking and intentional workplace experiences for employees and organizations.
During this conversation, Nathan spoke about how organizations can effectively use office spaces to foster productivity, trust, and culture in a flexible and evolving work environment
Nathan also spoke about the need for leaders to focus on outcomes rather than actions and to create an equitable and inclusive work environment, as well as his ideas for how leaders can intentionally design better workplaces for their people.
Links
- Nathan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanmanuel/
- PM2 Consulting: https://pm2consultants.com/
Sue Cantrell is the Vice President for Products and Strategy at Deloitte, and a Co-Author of the 2024 Deloitte Human Capital Trends Report. Each year, Sue and her colleagues at Deloitte conduct research into what’s new and next to help their clients stay at the forefront of how the world of work is changing, and what it means for evolving human capital and talent strategies.
During our conversation, Sue spoke about the theme of work in a boundaryless world, and shared some insights around key trends in the report including the importance of prioritizing human and business outcomes, the role of microcultures, and redefining productivity. Sue also spoke about the role of imagination, curiosity, and creativity, and her ideas for what leaders can do to create a better workplace for their people.
Links:
- 2024 Deloitte Human Capital Trends Report: https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insights/focus/human-capital-trends.html
- Susan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanmcantrell/
Ashley Goodall is former HR executive at Cisco and Deloitte, and the author of The Problem With Change. While Ashley believes that change is important for any organization that wishes to thrive over the long term, Ashley also believes that in the future, we must be more measured with change, and more cognizant about the impact that change has, on people and their livelihoods.
During our conversation, Ashley spoke about the common traps we fall into when we think and talk about change today, and the overlooked impacts change has on people and organizations. Ashley also shared a healthier and more balanced approach to change, why he thinks it's important to see humans for their individual strengths and , and how leaders can promote stability and workplaces where their people can contribute and flourish, and his advice for how leaders can create more stable and healthy workplaces.
- Web: https://ashleygoodall.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleygoodall/
- Book: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/ashley-goodall/the-problem-with-change/9780316560276/
Sara Dionne is the VP of Learning and Development at Comcast. In an organization with over 180,000 employees with diverse backgrounds, skills, and roles, learning plays a critical role in enabling employees to effectively do their jobs today as well as position themselves for success in growing the business in the future.
During our conversation, Sara spoke about her team’s efforts to develop a comprehensive and tailored learning strategy that prioritizes personalization and experiential learning to help make employees successful.
Sara also spoke about how she, as a learning leader, works with her stakeholders in the process of rolling out programs to different parts of the organization, as well as how leaders should and can embrace building a culture of continuous learning and growth.
Links
- Sara’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sara-dionne-73998b4/
Kim Lear is The Founder of InLay Insights, a keynote speaker, consultant, and expert on generational research. Over the past 15+ years, Kim has studied, researched and advised on topics related to generations and the implications for culture, society and the workplace. During our conversation, Kim spoke about the challenges and opportunities with understanding generational data, and how it can be effectively used to build better workplaces. Kim also shared her thoughts and observations on the changing role of the employee-employer contract, remote work, as well as some of her own findings from her own studies of Gen Z workers from the past few years.
Links:
- Website: https://inlayinsights.com/
- Substack: https://kimlear.substack.com/
Dr. Jessica Kriegel is an author, speaker, and the Chief Scientist at CulturePartners. Through her research background, her work at CulturePartners and in speaking with many workplace experts on her podcast, Jessica has a keen understanding of workplace culture in what it is, and how it’s shifting in today’s world of work.
During our conversation, Jessica spoke about what she’s seeing in trends in workplace culture, as well as the role of culture in remote, hybrid and in person settings. Jessica also spoke about some of the ways in which we can approach managing and collaboration across generations in the workplace, and how she sees the social contract of work evolving and shifting.
Links:
- Jessica’s Website: https://www.jessicakriegel.com/
- Culture Leaders Podcast: https://www.jessicakriegel.com/podcast/
Ashley Herd is the CEO and Founder of The Manager Method and a Co-Host of the HR Besties Podcast. A former lawyer turned HR leader, Ashley now runs a training company focused on developing effective managers and creating helpful content through multiple channels that is helpful toward managers in today’s workplace. During our conversation, Ashley spoke about her journey to founding The Manager Method, as well as some of her own management experiences that helped shaped her abilities to do this work. Ashley also shared some of what she observes are the common challenges we face in preparing managers to manage, the most common questions she gets in her DMs and her own thoughts on how we can better develop and grow managers to be effective in today’s workplace
Links
- Manager Method; https://www.managermethod.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyherd/
- Podcast: https://www.hrbesties.com/
Carina Cortez is the Chief People Officer at Cornerstone OnDemand. Throughout her career as a People and HR leader, Carina has been an advocate and supporter of career development and mobility programs throughout her career.
During our conversation, Carina spoke about what she’s seeing with how career development is changing and why it is a business imperative to invest in career development and talent mobility strategies today.
Carina also spoke about examples of programs that she has run and she has seen work well inside organizations, the challenges that sometimes get in the way, as well as the importance and critical role that people manager’s play in fostering career development for employees inside organizations.
Links:
- Carina’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carinacortez/
Andre’ Martin is the author of Wrong Fit Right Fit, Why How We Work Matters More Than Ever. As a former talent and learning Executive at companies like Nike and Google, Andre’ has spent a lot of time thinking about how to help employees unleash their talent and abilities within their roles to do their best work.
During our conversation, Andre’ spoke about the state of the workplace today, and why he thinks that while companies want to hire great talent and everyone wants a great job, we sometimes miss the mark in matching people to the right roles. Andre’ also spoke about the importance of when searching or evaluating a potential opportunity, the importance of learning on how work gets done, and what companies can do to be more effective and transparent so they can hire the right people for fit for the right jobs.
Links
- Website: https://www.wrongfitrightfit.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/docmartinpdx/
Rob Sadow is the Co-Founder and CEO of Scoop Technologies, a software company that helps organizations use data and insights to build workplace strategies. With a vast array of data and insights, Rob and his team have a keen pulse on the state of the workplace, and the challenges and opportunities that come with it.
During our conversation, Rob spoke to us about some of the insights and trends they’ve collected at Scoop through their own data and analysis as well as Rob’s own conversations with leaders who are developing workplace policies and strategies. Rob also spoke about topics related to the workplace that don’t always make the headlines, the changing nature of how employees’ view their relationship with work, and the importance of leaders focusing on outcomes.
Links:
- Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-sadow/
- Websites:
- Scoop: https://www.scoopforwork.com/
- Flex Index: https://flex.scoopforwork.com
- Newsletter: https://flexindex.substack.com/
- Q1 Report: https://flexindex.substack.com/p/surprising-new-data-on-employee-sentiment
We're Live From Transform in Las Vegas!
This episode features Hebba Youssef, Chief People Officer at WorkWeek, Author of the I Hate it Here Newsletter, and Founder of the Safe Space Community.
During our conversation, Hebba spoke about Gen Z in the Workplace, trends she's observing from HR professionals, and the evolving nature of the employee-employee contract.
- Hebba's Newsletter: https://workweek.com/discover-newsletters/i-hate-it-here-newsletter/
- Hebba's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hebba-youssef/
- Transform: https://transform.us/
- The Safe Space Community: https://workweek.com/i-hate-it-here/community/safe-space/
We're Live at the Transform Conference in Las Vegas!
This episode features Becky McCullough, Vice President, Global Recruiting & Talent Development at Hubspot. During our conversation, Becky spoke about how Hubspot, a longtime pioneer in the culture movement, thinks about culture in today's workplace, and what are doing to bring their culture to life inside their organization.
Links:
- Transform: https://transform.us/
- Becky's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beckymccullough/
We're Live at the Transform Conference in Las Vegas!
This episode features Katya Laviolette, Chief People Officer at 1Password. During our conversation, we spoke to Katya about the topic of mutual mentorship, and how it creates opportunities for learning, growth and development for all employees
Links
- Katya's Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katya-laviolette-6907b726/
- Transform: https://transform.us/
Scott Mautz is a keynote speaker, researcher and author of the book Leading From The Middle: A Playbook for Managers to Influence Up, Down, and Across the Organization. Drawing on his research on middle managers and his work as a keynote speaker, Scott makes the case for why middle managers are more important than ever, but are still overlooked and underinvested in, despite their importance and value delivered inside organizations.
During our conversation, Scott spoke about how middle managers have become even more critical as a result of how the world of work has changed and evolved since the pandemic. Scott also shared how the best middle managers manage the complexity of the role, so that they can lead from the middle in today’s world of work.
Links
- Scott’s Website: https://scottmautz.com/
- Scott’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottmautz/
Joel Constable is a Director of Talent Development at Intuit, where he leads a portfolio of talent and leadership development offerings. Throughout his career, Joel has always been curious and interested in the intersection of culture, leadership development and driving lasting behavioral change from leadership programs.
During our conversation, Joel spoke about some of the common challenges with leadership development programs, and how he and his team have taken those into account as they’ve developed leadership programs at Intuit.
Joel also spoke about the culture at Intuit and the culture informs and drives leadership behaviors as Intuit, and finally, Joel also spoke in depth about how he has been able to partner with leaders at Intuit into helping create leadership development programs that behavioral change and business impact.
Links
- Joel’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jconst/
- HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2023/08/dont-let-your-companys-culture-stifle-leadership-development
- Fast Company Article: https://www.fastcompany.com/90913039/the-one-thing-that-sets-great-leaders-apart
JP Elliott is a People and Talent Leader, and the Host of the Future of HR Podcast. With a career spanning 2 decades of talent and HR leadership roles, JP has both passion and expertise in understanding how talent plays a critical role in business strategy and value creation within an organization.
During our conversation, JP spoke about his perspectives on the importance and opportunities in using talent in a strategic way in today’s world of work. JP also shared his perspective on key talent foundations and his own experiences around talent philosophies, investing in critical roles, and the importance of investing in high performers and high potential talent.
JP also shared some of his own lessons and learnings from speaking with dozens of senior HR and people leaders on his own podcast, and his own advice on how HR leaders can lead in shaping the future of work.
Links
- JP’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jpelliottphd/
- JP’s Podcast: https://www.futureofhr.com/
Dr. Nayla Bahri and Eric Johnson are Leadership Coaches and Co-Hosts of The Inside Job Podcast. As coaches and podcast hosts, Nayla and Eric spend their days helping people navigate the complexities of work, leadership and life, and provide their clients and listeners with tools, support and coaching to explore the intersection of creating healthy, self-directed, and sustainable work and careers.
During our conversation, Eric and Nayla spoke about the changes they are seeing in work and the workplace, and how this has impacted employees in how they think about their relationships with work and their peers. We also spoke about the role that managers and leaders play in helping their employees develop and grow, and what Eric and Nayla think leaders can and should do, to create a better world of work for their people.
Links:
- Dr. Nayla Bahri - Leadership & Career Coach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naylabahri/
- Eric Johnson - Leadership and Career Coach: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisericjohnson/
- The Inside Job Podcast: https://www.insidejobthepodcast.com/
In this episode, we spoke with Andrea MacKechnie, a leader in talent and leadership development. With a track record of leading talent and leadership teams, Andrea has a keen sense of how the workplace is changing, and the role that talent development plays in unlocking the potential and performance of people.
During our conversation, Andrea spoke about her thoughts on how the workplace is changing with the shift to remote and hybrid work, and how investments in programs around what she calls cognitive apprenticeship as well as manager development can help organizations build cultures where people can thrive.
Links:
- Andrea’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-mackechnie-a9157032/
- BCG & Employee Retention: https://www.bcg.com/press/18december2023-employees-move-on-from-current-jobs
- McKinsey and Career Development: https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/the-great-attrition-is-making-hiring-harder-are-you-searching-the-right-talent-pools
Hillary Miller is the Chief Learning Officer at Penn State Health. In her role as the Chief Learning Officer, Hillary is focused on driving employee retention and career development for the organization.
During our conversation, Hillary spoke about some of the strategic approaches that she and her team have taken around focusing on employee retention to deliver a great experience both for employees as well as for patients of the hospital. Hillary also spoke about the organization’s strategy and philosophy around career development, and some of the tools and programs they have put in place to help employees at Penn State Health build their own careers inside of the organization.
Links
- Hillary’s Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hillarybmiller/
Herminia Ibarra is a Professor at London Business School, and the author of Working Identity: Unconventional Strategies for Reinventing Your Career. Herminia's book came out over 20+ years ago, and helped pioneer a new way of thinking about career reinvention, and since then, has gone on to help and inspire many professionals looking to transition into new careers by tapping into their multiple selves. It was recently updated, and the second edition was published in the fall of 2023.
During our conversation, Herminia spoke about what’s changed in the workplace and how we think about career reinvention since she first published her book in 2003, as well as what still remains. She also shared her perspective on why career reinvention is so hard, why we expect more out of our work and our careers, and how using exploration and experimentation can help us iterate, reinvent and evolve amidst a changing world of work.
Links:
- Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/herminia-ibarra-4455411a/
- Herminia’s Book: https://herminiaibarra.com/working-identity-book/
Rodney Evans is a Partner at The Ready, a future of work consulting firm, as well as the Co-Host of the Podcast Brave New Work. After working as a leader in HR for over a decade, Rodney has been advising organizations to think and work in new ways to adapt to a complex and ever changing world of work.
During our conversation, Rodney spoke about some of the challenges organizations are facing both today and how new ways of thinking and working around HR can help us create a better world of work. She also shared some of her thoughts around how leaders and organizations that want to create a better world of work, can get started today.
Links:
- Website: https://www.theready.com/
- Podcast: https://www.theready.com/podcast
- Rodey Evans: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rodneyeevans/
Cali Williams Yost is the Founder and CEO of the Flex+Strategy Group. With over three decades of experience advising companies on flexible work strategies, Cali has a keen understanding of how flexible work fuels high performing organizations.
During our conversation, Cali spoke about some of the current challenges and bright spots with flexible work policies, the importance of training managers and leaders to work in flexible ways, and some of the latest research she and her team have uncovered in building high performing, flexible organizations.
Links:
- Recent Research: https://flexstrategygroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/2023-research-snapshot.pdf
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caliwilliamsyost/
- Website: https://flexstrategygroup.com/
Note: This is a replay of a popular episode of Season 2 From The Edge of Work with Melissa Daimler, Chief Learning Officer at Udemy, and Author of Reculturing: Design Your Company Culture to Connect with Strategy and Purpose for Lasting Success.
An experienced executive in learning and people, Melissa has been a student and practitioner of culture and has seen and led cultural transformations at leading companies including Adobe and Twitter. But while designing a great culture is a good start, in a complex and ever-changing world, setting a static culture is no longer enough, in fact, companies can and should re-culture their organizations, as their people, customers, and business evolves.
During this LinkedIn live, we spoke about the importance of company culture in today’s changing world of work, lessons from Melissa’s experiences at leading companies like Adobe and Twitter, and key aspects of both designing and re-designing company culture.
Links:
- Melissa’s Book: https://www.melissadaimler.com/reculturing/
Note: This is a replay of one of our most popular episodes from Season 3 of The Edge of Work.
Adam Hickman is the Vice President of Learning and Org Development at Partners Federal Credit Union, a Walt Disney Company. In addition to this role, Adam is an author and professor and writes and speaks regularly on topics related to management and leadership.
During our conversation, Adam dove into some of the changes in the workplace and the implications of those changes (ex: technology) for what companies need out of their people managers so that they can have engaged and productive employees.
Adam also shared some of his team’s strategy and approach at his organization around manager effectiveness, the approaches they are taking in redesign the role of the manager and develop good managers, and his own to recruit and empower effective managers, and some of his own thoughts on how you can create a better world of work through better managers.
Links:
- Adam’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamghickman/
- Al's Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- https://www.hrdconnect.com/2023/04/25/how-to-evolve-and-equip-your-managers-to-buck-the-disengagement-trend/adam-hickman-on-the-shifting-role-of-the-manager/
Note: This is a replay of one of our most popular episodes from S2 of The Edge of Work.
Nick Holmes is the Head of Career Experience at Fishawack Health, a healthcare organization based in the United Kingdom.
As the head of Career Experience, Nick’s role is to build an organization that not only attracts great employees, but develops them, retains them and provides them opportunities to grow so they can contribute to Fishawack Health. Upon taking the role, Nick had a bold mandate, which was to develop and implement a new strategy around career development and the transformation to enable it so Fishawack Health could compete for top talent in a very competitive labor market.
During this conversation, Nick spoke about the “why” for going under this massive transformation. Nick also shared some of the feedback that employees provided on the new programs, technologies and pathways, how they were able to change the culture and behaviors around career development in “drumbeats, not lightning bolts.”
Nick also spoke about how the various technologies and programs that were a part of the transformation engage and interact with employees, Nick’s own learnings to date from leading the transformation, as well as his advice to others who are thinking about developing and implementing a career development strategy for their organization.
Links:
- Nick’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickholmeslandd/
- Profile on Fishawack Health: https://fuel50.com/2022/11/talent-experience-fishawack-health/
In the season finale, Al shares some of the research HR, talent and the future of work that he's reading this holiday season, highlights and insights from season 3, and some ideas about what's ahead for season 4 in The Edge of Work. Happy Holidays!
Resources Mentioned in this episode:
- Gartner HR Trends: https://www.gartner.com/en/human-resources/trends/top-trends-for-hr-leaders-cpc?
- I4CP 2024 Priorities and Predictions: https://www.i4cp.com/predictions
- Lattice People Strategy Report: https://lattice.com/state-of-people-strategy-report-2024 - Culture Amp 2023 Manager Effectiveness Report: https://www.cultureamp.com/resources/report/state-of-the-manager-2023-report
Steve Hunt is a chief expert at SAP, an organizational psychologist, and the author of "Talent Tectonics: Navigating Global Workforce Shifts, Building Resilient Organizations, and Reimagining the Employee Experience."
With his background in organizational psychology and extensive experience working with various diverse organizations and industries, Steve has a keen understanding of how the workplace is changing, and what organizations can do to craft better work experiences that attract and develop talent, and unleash the purpose and potential of each employee.
During our conversation, Steve shared his perspective on how two key shifts are reshaping the world of work, and what that means for organizations. Steve also went into detail on how organizations can create a better workplace for their people by improving the way we design jobs and create better organizational environments.
Steve also spoke about the importance of leaders truly understanding the experiences of their frontline employees, the role of managers in the employee experience, and the importance of equipping managers with the right support and tools to help them better engage with their own employees.
Links:
- Steve’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steventhunt/
- Book: https://talenttectonics.com/
Rose Sheldon is the Chief Learning Officer at KeyBank. With 20+ years in the financial services industry working in roles across functions and departments, Rose understands how technology, innovation and customer preferences require organizations to rapidly adapt and evolve to a changing world of work.
In her role as the Chief Learning Officer, Rose sees the importance of creating an organizational culture that enables a company to sense and spot emerging trends, and help employees from the front line to the executive level build the skills and capabilities the organization needs to be successful in a changing world of work.
During our conversation, Rose spoke about how she has helped guide Key Bank to driving performance in a changing world of work by focusing on a culture of lifelong learning, and dispelling common myths about how learning works in an organization.
Rose also spoke about how in her role as Chief Learning Officer, she thinks about aligning her own learning and culture strategy to the business strategy, the importance of change agility, and how other organizations can think about intentionally and strategically using learning as a driver of organizational success.
Links
- Rose Sheldon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rose-sheldon/
Jen Fisher is the Head of Human Sustainability at Deloitte, a Best-Selling Author and TEDx Speaker. As one of the leading experts on well-being, Jen has spent the most recent part of her career helping leaders think differently about how they can improve the performance of their people through investing in the well-being and relationships of their people.
During our conversation, Jen shared her perspective on the state of well-being, as well as the definition of human sustainability, and why it’s critical to any leader who wants to create an organization that drives high performance. Jen also spoke about her own journey with well-being, success, and high performance has informed her views on human sustainability, what leaders can do to prioritize human sustainability, and Jen’s ideas about how we can create a better world of work by focusing on our people.
Note: This is a recording from a LinkedIn Live.
Links:
- Jen’s Book: https://www.mhprofessional.com/work-better-together-how-to-cultivate-strong-relationships-to-maximize-well-being-and-boost-bottom-9781264268122-usa
- Jen’s Newsletter: https://jenfisher.substack.com/
- Jen’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jen-fisher-cwbo/
- Jen’s Articles: https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insights/multimedia/podcasts/the-problem-with-employee-wellness-programs.html
Vincent Stanley is the Director of Philosophy at Patagonia, and the Co-Author of the book, The Future of The Responsible Company.
In order to create a better world of work, it’s clear that organizations, and leaders specifically have a role to play in creating cultures and environments that drive performance and empower people. Patagonia has long been viewed as a leader of companies who are trying to blend people, purpose, and profits, and “do well while doing good” but the journey has not always been easy nor straightforward.
During our conversation, Vincent spoke about the history of Patagonia, and how they think differently about their role as an organization, in the world, in their community and with their customers. Vincent spoke about some of the ways that Patagonia views their culture, their secrets to creating work that fuels their people, and his guidance on how other organizations can embrace becoming a responsible organization.
Links
- https://www.patagonia.com/product/the-future-of-the-responsible-company-paperback/BK235.html?dwvar_BK235_color=000&cgid=books
The Edge of Work has been exploring the role of the manager as well as the emphasis on manager development throughout its three seasons.
During this episode, Al breaks down the role of the people manager in today’s world of work. During this episode, Al will cover:
- Why the manager is back in the spotlight
- The challenges that managers face in today’s workplace
- How to Reimagine The Role of the Manager
- Some best practices for developing managers fit to lead in today’s workplace
Links:
- https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/stop-wasting-your-most-precious-resource-middle-managers
- Kameko Leung and Aspiring Managers: https://podcasts.apple.com/cz/podcast/the-changing-landscape-of-talent-development/id1378433981?i=1000626064591&l=cs
- HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2023/11/reimagine-your-managerial-pipeline
David Landman is the Former Managing Director of Talent Development at Goldman Sachs, and the Head of Community for PeopleTech Enterprise. With experience leading talent development at Goldman Sachs for over two decades, David has first-hand experience in developing an enterprise talent strategy that aligns technology, people, and organizational systems that unleash the potential and performance of each individual employee so that companies can achieve their desired business results.
During the conversation, David spoke about some of his philosophies on talent management & development, ranging from performance management, manager development, to identifying and developing the right kinds of behaviors of managers in his role at Goldman Sachs.
David also spoke about what he thinks great management looks like in today’s world of work, the process of aligning individual career goals with organizational goals, and how David sees technology and talent working together to create a better world of work.
Links
- David Landman's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidhlandman/
- PeopleTech Enterprise: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopletech-enterprise/
- David's Linkedin Article: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/secret-cultivating-exceptional-teams-human-david-landman-ph-d-
- Erica Keswin's Episode: https://theedgeofwork.buzzsprout.com/2046865/13657243-s3-e21-reimagining-retention-with-erica-keswin
Michelle Braden is the VP of Global Talent Development at WEX Inc, a global payments processing platform. As a talent development leader, Michelle has held a number of talent development leader roles and has a keen understanding of how talent development can facilitate business outcomes and performance.
Here are three key themes from this episode:
- How the workplace is changing, and the opportunity that talent development plays in creating a better company and better performance
- How talent development impacts not just traditional talent programs, but also new ways of working
- The importance of human leadership, and why it’s critical for today’s world of work
- A few of the key talent development initiatives she is leading, including a brand new executive development program
Links:
- Michelle’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mbraden/
- Al’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Kevin Yates is a Speaker, Consultant, and Expert on measuring the impact of training and learning inside organizations.
During our conversation, we spoke to Kevin about the role of training and learning in a changing world of work, the challenges and opportunities with measuring the impact of training and learning, and Kevin’s own perspective on how companies can better measure the impact of training and learning initiatives inside their organization so that they can elevate the potential of their people and achieve business goals.
Links:
- Kevin’s Website: https://kevinmyates.com/
- Kevin’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinmyates/
Lou Tedrick is the VP of Global Learning and Development at Verizon. With a remit of overseeing learning that helps employees grow and deliver on business outcomes for 115,000 employees, Lou and her team are constantly thinking ahead about how learning can support hundreds of thousands of employees across diverse businesses to be more productive, effective and engaged in their work.
During our conversation, Lou spoke about the diverse roles and needs of the various business units, and how she and her team have identified ways to scale learning and leadership development experiences for their more than 115,000 employees. Lou also spoke about how her philosophy for creating workplaces where people can thrive, the importance of supporting employee’s personal and professional growth, what Verizon looks for and expects out of their leaders, and how Lou and her team approach using cutting edge technology (ex: AI, AR/VR) to help their employees develop the skills they need to deliver in a changing world of work.
In early October, I had the chance to attend Linkedin’s Talent Connect Summit in New York City. During this 2 day event, I had the chance to chat, learn and connect with 1500 talent and HR leaders from across the globe, and to hear from speakers including The Reverend Honorable Dame Jacinda Ardern (Former PM of New Zealand) Spike Lee, to Donna Morris (Chief People Officer, Wal-Mart) and Sherry Cassano (SVP Talent, Pfizer) and April Rinne (Author, Flux: 8 Superpowers For Thriving in Constant Change)
In this episode, I share some of my takeaways and learnings from the event, and talk about trends including generative AI, career development and internal mobility. I also share some examples of how companies like Wal-Mart, Pfizer, Cisco, Canva, and NBC Universal are embracing new playbooks to create a better world of work.
Susan Lamotte is the CEO of exaqueo, an employer branding consultancy. With extensive experience in helping companies develop strategies that attract and retain talent, Susan has extensive experience and insight into the state of the workplace, what has changed, and the critical dynamics and relationships that exist between employees and organizations.
During our conversation, Susan spoke about the changing landscape of work, the evolution of employer branding and the employee value proposition, as well as some of the common challenges employers face when they struggle with attracting and retaining their top talent.
Susan also spoke about the importance of understanding the key relationship dynamics of the employment relationship, identified four critical dimensions of that relationship, and offered advice for how employers can construct and deliver upon employer value propositions that attract talent in today’s changing world of work.
Links
- Susan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanlamotte/
- Article: https://www.inc.com/inc-masters/stop-selling-jobs-the-new-employee-relationship.html
- exaqueo : https://www.exaqueo.com
Melissa Swift is the US Transformation Leader at Mercer, and the Author of the book Work Here Now: Think Like a Human and Build a Powerhouse Workplace. With expertise in leading human capital transformation across multiple industries, Melissa has a keen eye into what is and isn’t working about work, and in her book, offers a look into the ways in some of the broken and challenging components of the underlying fundamentals of work and the workplace, especially for knowledge workers and what we can do about it to think differently about work.
During our conversation, Melissa dove into a history of work, including how elements of work, including the history of human resources, accounting, and performance management impact our workplace today, and how those negatively impact employee engagement, belonging, well-being, and productivity. We also spoke about some of the mindsets and constructs of work, such as “greedy work” and the “anxiety monster” harming companies and organizations, and ultimately, what leaders and organizations can start to do in order to fundamentally shift the way of thinking about how to construct work and create better workplaces.
Links:
- Melissa’s Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swiftmelissa/
- Melissa’s Book: https://www.mercer.com/en-us/insights/people-strategy/hr-transformation/work-here-now-think-like-a-human-build-a-powerhouse-workplace/
- Al’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Mita Mallick is the Head of Inclusion, Equity, and Impact at Carta, and the Author of Reimagine Inclusion: Debunking 13 Myths to Transform Your Workplace. As a child, Mita grew up not seeing or hearing stories of people who looked or talked like her, and now, as a former brand management executive turned DEI leader, Podcast Host and author, Mita spends her time using her voice to amplify voices and people like her, and creating workplaces that accurately reflect and represent the people in those communities.
During our conversation, Mita spoke about her own journey into the corporate workplace and the challenges and successes that she faced along the way, and how those experiences and others factored into her upcoming book, and why it’s so critical to debunk these myths to create a better world of work. We also spoke about three specific myths that are covered in the book, and some practical and specific actions we can take in order to create a greater sense of belonging and more inclusive workplaces.
Links:
- Mita’s Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/mita-mallick-2b165822/
- Mita’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/Reimagine-Inclusion-Debunking-Transform-Workplace/dp/1394177097
- Brown Table Talk Podcast: https://www.browntabletalkpodcast.com/
- Did you like this episode? Let Al know → https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Erica Keswin is a consultant, podcast host, and author of the newly released book, The Retention Revolution: 7 Surprising (and Very Human!) Ways to Keep Employees Connected to Your Company. As a longtime HR leader, consultant and researcher on workplace trends, Erica has been observing the changes in employee expectations out of work and the workplace, as well as identifying opportunities to truly rethink the way that we work.
During our conversation, Erica spoke about some of the changes in the world of work that she has observed that have only grown over the past few years, as well as what prompted her to look at the employee experience and specifically rethinking some traditional norms of the workplace. We also spoke in depth about how to rethinking some of the traditional norms of the of the employee experience, around onboarding, flexibility, retention, and people managers, along with ideas and best practices Erica found from her work and research that she’s seeing companies implement to attract, engage, and develop employees in today’s world of work.
Links:
- Erica’s Website: https://ericakeswin.com/
- Erica’s LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericakeswin/
- Erica’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Retention-Revolution-Surprising-Employees-Connected/dp/1265158681
Eric Girard is the CEO of Girard Training Solutions, and a management development expert, and the author of Lead Like a Pro, The Essential Guide For New Managers.
During our conversation, Eric spoke about the transition and changes people managers must navigate when moving from individual contributor to people manager, as well as some of the common pitfalls new managers make, and some critical skills all managers must learn, including goal setting, feedback, and coaching.
Eric also shared some thoughts on what is different about being a manager in today’s world of work, and why empathy is a superpower each manager can tap into in order to build a great team.
- Eric’s Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericpgirard/
- Eric’s Website: https://www.girardtrainingsolutions.com/
- Book Website: https://www.gtspress.com/
- Podcast: https://www.girardtrainingsolutions.com/podcast.html
Dart Lindsley is the Host of The Work For Humans Podcast, and a People and HR Leader who has spent time at tech companies including Cisco and Google.
Through hosting the Work For Humans podcast, he has further shaped an innovative philosophy of treating employees as customers, upholding the importance of understanding their needs and designing a satisfying work experience accordingly.
During our conversation, Dart spoke about his observations of why work is not working, and what we can do to fix it. He also walks through his concept of thinking of work “as a product” and how by using concepts of product marketing and product design, managers can reinvent work that actually works for employees.
Links:
- Work For Humans Podcast: https://dartlindsley.com/work-for-humans-podcast/
- Dart’s Linkedin Page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dart-lindsley/
- Like this episode? Let Al know: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Brian Elliott is a Co-Founder of Future Forum, Co-Author of How The Future Works, and a former VP at Slack.
One of the leaders in both researching the future of work and enabling new ways of working, Brian has advised numerous leaders on how to experiment and think differently in order to innovate and lead in this new world of work.
During our conversation, Brian spoke about some of his observations about what he’s seen change and evolve in the workplace over the past few years, and some of the challenges that hold leaders back from experimentation in the new world of work.
Brian also shared what innovative leaders from companies like Slack, Hubspot, Atlassian, and Cotapaxi are doing differently to embrace this new world of work, as well as his own guidance to how leaders can focus on improving key business goals around productivity and engagement by focusing on better team dynamics and focusing on outcomes rather than outputs.
Links:
- Future Forum & Brian's Book:https://futureforum.com/how-the-future-works/
- Brian Elliott's Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/belliott/
- Al's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Dr. Gabriella Rosen Kellerman is the Chief Innovation Officer for BetterUp Labs, as well as the Co-Author of the book Tomorrowmind: Thriving at Work, Now and In an Uncertain Future. As a psychologist, Gabriella has studied the workplace and works each day in her role to help envision and create a better world of work.
During our conversation Gabriella spoke about the history of work back from the hunter-gather days until present day, as well as the challenges that leaders and employees face in navigating a constantly changing and evolving world of work.
Drawing on the concepts, research, and ideas, from her book as well as from her work at BetterUp Labs, Gabriella provided us with some ideas about the key skills that leaders and managers should both develop in order to lead effectively in today’s world of work, and how they can help their employees navigate the complexities and uncertainties of a constantly changing workplace, ranging from navigating uncertainty, mattering and purpose, and developing social connection regardless of location.
Using the PRISM model, Gabriella also shared five key skills that all employees can develop and use to thrive in today’s world of work so that they can thrive
Links
- Website: https://www.gabriellarosenkellerman.com/
- Gabriella’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grkellerman/
- Al’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Tomorrowmind/Gabriella-Rosen-Kellerman/9781982159764
Kelly Monahan is the Managing Director at Upwork, and leads their Future of Work research practice. Having conducted and led future of work research efforts at leading organizations, Kelly has been studying the workplace and how it’s changed and evolved over the years.
During our conversation, Kelly spoke about some of her observations about how she has seen the workplace change, and some examples of how companies and leaders have adapted new ways of working and thinking as a result of those changes. Kelly also spoke about some of the research she and her team at Upwork have been doing on generative AI, and some of the key insights as well as future opportunities for how Generative AI can help organizations reimagine how they work, and truly work in new ways.
Links:
- https://www.upwork.com/blog/generative-ai-disconnect
- Kelly’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-monahan-ph-d-18879413/
- Al’s Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Today’s episode is about the opportunity and importance of designing mentoring programs for employees in today’s changing world of work. Joining me is Emily Goligoski is the SVP of Research at Charter.
Mentoring is something that many of us can agree is critically important, both at the individual level as well as the organizational level. And given the state of today’s remote, and hybrid workplace where sharing ideas, information, and connection are critically important, mentoring seems like a great way to help organizations across a number of key business outcomes.
Drawing on research that Emily and her team at Charter led to evaluate mentoring in the hybrid workplace, Emily shared some of their key findings from the report, including how mentoring is impacted by work style (hybrid, in-person, and remote) how great mentor-pair relationships work, and some of the key characteristics of well run mentoring programs.
Emily also shared some of her observations on some of our shortcomings with mentoring programs and how to overcome them, and her ideas for how to build a great mentoring program inside your organization.
Links:
- Emily’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilygoligoski/
- Charter and Qualtrics’ Research: https://www.charterworks.com/charter-research-mentorship-remote-hybrid/
- Like this episode? Let Al know → https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Adam Hickman is the Vice President of Learning and Org Development at Partners Federal Credit Union, a Walt Disney Company. In addition to this role, Adam is an author and professor and writes and speaks regularly on topics related to management and leadership.
During our conversation, Adam dove into some of the changes in the workplace and the implications of those changes (ex: technology) for what companies need out of their people managers so that they can have engaged and productive employees.
Adam also shared some of his team’s strategy and approach at his organization around manager effectiveness, the approaches they are taking in redesign the role of the manager and develop good managers, and his own to recruit and empower effective managers, and some of his own thoughts on how you can create a better world of work through better managers.
Links:
- Adam’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamghickman/
- Al's Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
- https://www.hrdconnect.com/2023/04/25/how-to-evolve-and-equip-your-managers-to-buck-the-disengagement-trend/adam-hickman-on-the-shifting-role-of-the-manager/
Note: This is a recording from a LinkedIn Live. Dan Nieves works in Global Executive Engagement at Reality Labs at Meta. Over the course of his career, Dan has worked at the intersection of emerging technology, people and the future of work.
During this conversation, Dan spoke about how technologies including AR/VR (Augmented Reality/Virtual Reality) are reimagining how we think about work, and shared some examples and ideas for how companies can use emerging technology to truly reimagine and rethink the way they work.
Links
- Dan’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dnieves/
- Al’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Angela Cheng-Cimini is the Chief Human Resources Officers at Harvard Business Publishing. As a seasoned HR Leader, Angela is passionate about creating employee experiences that unleash the purpose and potential of each employee. And critical to that individual employee experience is the role of the manager.
During our conversation, Angela shared her definition of why in today's evolving workplace, a new employee experience, or hyper-personalized employee experience is critical to meeting and exceeding employee expectations. She also shared a number of critical elements of this experience including employee onboarding, career pathing, and pay transparency.
Angela also shared why the manager is critical to delivering this employee experience, how she and her team have focused on this at Harvard Business Publishing, and how other leaders can adopt this approach inside their organization.
Links:
- Angela’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angela-cheng-cimini-160890a
- https://www.td.org/talent-development-leader/is-the-new-employee-experience-here-to-stay
- https://www.harvardbusiness.org/6-experts-on-the-future-of-leadership/
- Like this episode? Let Al know → https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Muriel Wilkins is an Executive Coach, Managing Partner at a Leadership and Coaching Firm, and the Host of the HBR Podcast Coaching Real Leaders.
After graduating from Harvard Business School and pursuing a career to become a CMO, Muriel realized she had other aspirations, and through the guidance of an Executive Coach, decided to become an Executive Coach herself. Now, she runs a successful Executive Coaching Practice, and spends her time coaching executives and sharing her learnings on her podcast, Coaching Real Leaders.
During our conversation, Muriel spoke about some of the changes and adaptations she has seen leaders navigate over the past few years, and how she has seen the desired qualities of leaders change as a result of our changing world of work. She also shared some of her thoughts on what is different about leadership today, why leaders need to embrace complexity, and how we might rethink and reframe leadership for and what we look for from our leaders so that we can create a better world of work.
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/murielwilkins/
- Podcast: https://hbr.org/2020/12/podcast-coaching-real-leaders
- Website: https://paravispartners.com/who-we-are/
Note: This is a recording of a LinkedIn Live.
Stephen Bailey is the CEO and Co-Founder of ExecOnline, a leadership development platform that works to make leadership development accessible to more leaders. In this conversation, Stephen spoke about some of the trends and insights he’s seeing from the companies he speaks to about leadership development, as well as from the insights he and his team are seeing from the completion of programs on their platform.
As the world of work continues to evolve and change, so too must the way we think of and train our leaders inside of organizations who are responsible for leading it. Stephen spoke what's new and different about leading in today’s workplace, why the it’s important to learn faster than the rate of change, the impact that technology like data, analytics and generative AI has on learning and the world of work and what it means to leaders.
And finally, Stephen also spoke about why leaders need to also focus on the human skills in order to lead and empower people in the workplace.
Links:
- ExecOnline: https://execonline.com/
- LinkedIn Live Recording: https://www.linkedin.com/events/theedgeofworklive-thefutureofwo7087479409347096577/comments/
Christine Cruzvergara is the Chief Strategy & Education Officer at Handshake, a technology platform that connects early career talent with jobs and internships at 650,000+ employers.
In her role, Christine spends time connecting, advising and listening to employers, students, and Career Development offices on college campuses and has a keen sense of the labor market for early career professionals.
During our conversation, Christine spoke about some of the recent trends in preferences about work, careers, and employers from Gen- Z talent, including:
- What kinds of companies students are interested in (hint: not tech companies!)
- The top elements that Gen Z talent is interested in out of a job and employer
- Why Gen Z views upskilling and reskilling as critical to their first job and their entire career
Links:
- Report: https://joinhandshake.com/network-trends/new-grad-future-of-work/
- Handshake Website: https://joinhandshake.com/
- Article: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/03/new-college-grads-worried-about-being-overworked-in-their-first-jobs.html
- Christine’s Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinecruzvergara/
Emily Field is a Partner at McKinsey & Company, and a Co-Author of the book: Power to The Middle: Why Managers Hold the Keys to the Future of Work.
As a Partner in McKinsey’s Talent and Organization Practice, Emily works with companies to implement best in class talent management strategies, and as a Co-Author of this book, has spent a great deal of time researching the state of the manager in today’s workplace, what is challenging, and what needs to change.
During our conversation, we spoke about the challenges of the modern manager today, as well as some of the realities that Emily and her co-authors uncovered in their research, including a time study of how managers spent their time each day, alo
Emily also shared some strategies for companies who want to fix the role of the manager, why we need to re-think the manager experience like we might revamp a customer experience, as well as sharing some of her thoughts on how in the future of work, empowering the middle manager will be a key lynchpin to success.
Links:
- McKinsey Research: https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/stop-wasting-your-most-precious-resource-middle-managers
- Book: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Middle-Managers-Hold-Future/dp/1647824850/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1686696261&sr=8-1
- Emily’s Profile: https://www.mckinsey.com/our-people/emily-field
Cat Ward is a Vice President at JFF (Jobs For the Future) a non-profit committed to equitable economic impact. In her role, Cat works with employers to help them think creatively and innovatively in order to recruit, retain, and grow diverse talent.
During our conversation, Cat spoke about the work JFF is doing to create economic opportunity for all by working with employers to rethink their approaches on talent attraction and development so that they can recruit and retain diverse talent, and why specifically in today’s workplace in 2023, these topics are so critical and relevant.
Cat also shared examples of “Impact Employers” who were using new approaches to recruiting and retaining diverse talent, some of the challenges that come with trying to transform your talent strategies, and the importance of fostering career mobility to unlock the potential of diverse talent and create a better world of work for all.
Links:
- https://www.jff.org/
- https://fortune.com/2023/01/05/next-era-of-work-skills-degree-jobs-raman-ward/
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/wardcatherine/
Linda Cai is a VP of Talent Development at LinkedIn. While now a talent development leader, Linda started her career working at the intersection of technology and change management, and through this experience has used her past experiences to take a strategic, holistic and systemic view toward talent development and career mobility inside of LinkedIn
During our conversation, we reviewed some of the most recent findings of the Linkedin Global Talent Trends report, and got Linda’s perspective on topics like reskilling, internal mobility and career development.
Linda also shared how the development team at Linkedin has used a strategic and integrated approach to talent development initiatives around internal mobility, programs like job shadowing and reskilling, as well as how they have focused on embedding mobility and skills into the cultural fabric of the organization.
Links
- Linda’s Linkedin profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindajcai/
- Global Talent Trends Report: https://business.linkedin.com/talent-solutions/global-talent-trends#internal-mobility
Jason Rosoff is the CEO of Radical Candor Inc, and a Co-Host on the Radical Candor Podcast. After working as a product management executive, Jason teamed up with Radical Candor author Kim Scott to teach managers and leaders how to be more effective managers and leaders.
Between his podcast and the training that he does, Jason has a unique perspective on the challenges and opportunities for managers in the workplace. During our conversation, Jason shared some of what he felt were the challenges that managers face today, why management training goes wrong, and how he would rewrite and redesign the role of the manager fit for purpose in today’s world of work.
Links
- Radical Candor Podcast: https://www.radicalcandor.com/candor-podcast/
- Radical Candor Website: https://www.radicalcandor.com/
Melissa and Jonathan Nightingale are Co-Founders and Partners at Raw Signal Group, a management training company. After working in startups and tech for over a decade, Melissa and Jonathan began blogging about their experiences with people management, which ultimately led them to starting a management training company.
Now, in addition to training and coaching hundreds of managers each year on how to be effective managers in today’s world of work, they also co-author a management newsletter, and in our conversation we spoke about their journey to founding a management training company, some of the challenges that managers face, and how they believe we can train managers to be more effective and valuable in today’s modern world of work.
The Raw Signal Newsletter: https://www.rawsignal.ca/newsletter
Melissa’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shappy/
Jonathan’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnath/
Joe Whittinghill is Corporate Vice President of Talent, Learning and Insights at Microsoft. As an experienced talent and OD leader, Joe played a critical role in assisting in the cultural transformation at Microsoft. Led by CEO Satya Nadellla, Microsoft went on a journey to shift it’s culture from a “know it all” to a “learn it all” mindset, and critical to this was redefining leadership at Microsoft, as well as their expectations for managers inside their organization.
In this conversation, Joe spoke about the journey of Microsoft’s cultural transformation, and the importance of defining leadership behaviors and frameworks to empower their managers to lead teams in a digital world of work. Joe also spoke about Microsoft’s expectations for their people managers, and how they try to develop a consistent framework and approach to management across their entire organization, and how they try to inspire leadership in their people, regardless of title, rank, or role.
Links
- https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-is-using-growth-mindset-to-power-management-strategy-2019-11
- https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/human-resources/leaders-manager-excellence
Amelia Dunlop is the Chief Experience Officer at Deloitte Digital. In her role, Amelia takes a data-driven approach to understanding the human experience, and working with leaders to create better experiences for employees, customers and partners.
Amelia and her co-authors have taken a data-driven quantitative and qualitative approach to studying and understanding what Gen Z talent wants out of a job, company, and manager and as well with conducting interviews with managers on the same topics, and published some of their findings in a recent research study.
During our conversation, Amelia shared some of the findings of this report, honing in on some of the disconnects they found between Gen Z Talent and their managers, some of the nuances and “why”s they found when digging deeper into the motivations and ideas from Gen Z employees, as well as some of Amelia’s own observations and learnings from her own research and experiences working with Gen Z Talent.
Finally, we also spoke about some of the ways that managers and leaders could better develop and grow the next generation of talent in today’s workplace.
Links
- Amelia Dunlop's Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ameliadunlop/
- Deloitte Digital Gen-Z Research Report: https://www.deloittedigital.com/us/en/blog-list/2023/gen-z-research-report.html
Meghan Grace is Speaker, Consultant, and Researcher that studies generations. She works at the Institute For Generational Research and Education and also the Host of the #GenZ Podcast.
Through her work with Institute for Generational Research , Meghan has provided valuable insights to organizations looking to attract and retain top talent from this emerging generation.
During our conversation, we spoke about Gen Z in the workplace, some of the common misconceptions of generational data, and some of the observations from her own research on Gen Z about work, culture, and careers. Meghan also shared some of the ways leaders can take the time to better understand and listen to the Gen Z employees, attract & retain Gen Z talent, and how companies can build better companies for all employees.
Links
- Website: https://www.meghanmgrace.com/
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GenZ Podcast: https://www.meghanmgrace.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghanmgrace/
I spent the last week at the ATD ‘23 Annual Conference in San Diego, California with 9,000 of my peers in the talent and learning and development profession talking all about the role of talent and learning in creating a better world of work.
This episode highlights my observations and learnings from the conference, from the sessions I attended and conversations I had with many other talent professionals as well as leaders & vendors in the space. It also includes an interview from the conference from one of the leading thinkers and researchers in the talent and learning space, Dr. Britt Andreatta.
What's Covered in This Episode- Overview of ATD '23
- Key Learnings and Takeaways from sessions I attended
- Key Insights from Vendors, Service and Solutions Providers in the Talent and Leadership Space
Additional Links to Companies and People Covered in this episode
- Umu Software: https://www.umu.com/home/
- DeepHow: https://www.deephow.com/
- Synthesia: https://www.synthesia.io/
- Britt Andreatta: https://www.brittandreattatraining.com/
Simone Stolzoff is the Author of The Good Enough Job: Reclaiming Life from Work.
Through his diverse experiences in advertising, tech, journalism, and design, Simone has developed a unique understanding of the evolving world of work.
In his book, "The Good Enough Job," Simone explores the idea of an alternative path to fulfillment in work and in your career, and instead of striving for a job you love, you just find a good enough job. By exploring this topic and featuring the stories of a handful of individuals who have lived this concept in real-time, Simone offers some insights to others navigating their jobs and careers in a complex world of work.
In this episode, we explore thoughtful questions about the changing world of work, including:
- The idea of a good enough job for a satisfying life.
- Discovering the importance of personal success metrics in the workplace.
- Reviewing the connection between self-awareness and work-life balance.
- Acknowledging the role that employers, governments and society plan in recreating a world of work
- Delve into cultural perspectives on labor and work appreciation.
Links:
- Book: https://www.simonestolzoff.com
- Simone’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simone-stolzoff-5a16b648/
Note: This is an audio recording from a LinkedIn Live with Melissa Daimler, Chief Learning Officer at Udemy, and Author of Reculturing: Design Your Company Culture to Connect with Strategy and Purpose for Lasting Success.
An experienced executive in learning and people, Melissa has been a student and practitioner of culture and has seen and led cultural transformations at leading companies including Adobe and Twitter. But while designing a great culture is a good start, in a complex and ever-changing world, setting a static culture is no longer enough, in fact, companies can and should re-culture their organizations, as their people, customers, and business evolves.
During this conversation we spoke about the importance of company culture in today’s changing world of work, lessons from Melissa’s experiences at leading companies like Adobe and Twitter, and key aspects of both designing and re-designing company culture.
Links:
- Melissa’s Book: https://www.melissadaimler.com/reculturing/
Note: This is part of our “best hits” and a replay episode from Season 1 of the Podcast.
Dave Fano is the CEO and Founder of Teal, a company that provides thousands of employees tools, skills and recommendations to accelerate job searches and help people grow their careers. During his time as Chief Growth Officer at WeWork, Dave became aware of the lack of tools and infrastructure to support career professionals and started Teal to help solve that challenge.
During our conversation, we spoke to Dave about why he decided to found Teal, how it helps job and career explorers, and his own observations about how employees view jobs and careers as a result of his work. We also covered some of the changes and trends in today’s workplace, the changing view on careers, and what Teal hopes to accomplish in the future by serving professionals.
Links
- Teal
- Dave Fano’s LinkedIn
- Dave Fano’s Twitter
Welcome to The Edge of Work Podcast! In this week’s episode, The Edge of Work Host, Al Dea covers new updates to the podcast, synthesizes key themes from season 2, and offers a glimpse into season 3 of The Edge of Work.
Links
- The Edge of Work Newsletter: linkedin.com/newsletters/the-edge-of-work-7051281049510686720/
- McKinsey Study: https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/gen-what-debunking-age-based-myths-about-worker-preferences?utm_source=pocket_saves
- Al’s Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
Leslie Neiztel is the Chief Human Resources Officer at Carrot Fertility, a leading global fertility platform for women. After leading people/hr teams at a number of organizations including Pendo and SAP SuccessFactors, Leslie came to Carrot to head up the HR/people function and scale their business.
During our conversation Leslie spoke about how the workplace and workforce is changing, and how as a result, how Carrot Fertility is helping create a more diverse, inclusive and human workplace by helping companies provide fertility benefits and care support to women. Leslie also spoke about building and growing a distributed and remote first organization, and how she and her team are building a strong and connected culture in a remote and distributed organization.
Links
- Carrot Fertility: https://www.get-carrot.com/
- Leslie Neitzel’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslieneitzel/
Christina Wallace is a Senior Lecturer at Harvard Business School, an HBS Graduate, entrepreneur and author.
In her most recent book, The Portfolio Life: How to Future-Proof Your Career, Avoid Burnout, and Build a Life Bigger Than Your Business Card, Christina makes the case for how employees are multi-dimensional individuals, and can re-think and reframe their relationship with their job and career, and to use portfolio and diversification theory to de-risk and explore multiple paths instead.
Christina makes the case for how employees can actually find ways to integrate their interests in all aspects of life, rebalance those career interests over time, and use different models and models of work is an alternative and modern approach to the workplace of today.
During our conversation, Christina spoke about how living her own version of a Portfolio life gave her the idea to start researching the book, and why we need a more expansive mindset around how employees can navigate their lives and careers in a more expansive and modern way.
She shares her perspective on how people who are not interested in a more traditional or tried career path, can use the portfolio model to find meaning and success, and she also makes the case, for how in the future of work, The Portfolio model can be a more expansive way for employees to manage their career in today’s modern world of work.
Nick Goldberg is the CEO of Ezra Coaching, a digital coaching platform that provides executive and leadership coaching to companies. After serving in a number of learning and development companies, Nick started his own company and got coaching for his employees, and began to see the power in how it helped employees unleash their leadership skills to drive results.
Now, as the CEO of a leading executive and leadership coaching platform, Nick works with Chief Learning and Talent Officers around the world and has a sense of the challenges leaders are facing, as well as the opportunities that exist to help companies build leaders with the skills needed to thrive in today’s modern workplace.
During our conversation, Nick spoke about the benefits of working with a coach, and what we can learn from athletes and performers about finding opportunities to “practice” in the workplace.
Nick also shared some of the learnings and challenges Learning, People and Talent leaders are facing, as well as some examples of key leadership skills that today’s formal and informal leaders can develop to be effective
Links:
- Ezra Coaching: https://helloezra.com/
- Nick’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/goldbergnick/
Steve Cadigan is an Author, Speaker and Talent Strategist. He is the former CHRO of LinkedIn, and the author of Workquake, Embracing The Aftershocks of COVID-19 to Create a Better Model of Working. Prior to the pandemic, Steve began noticing fractures in the world of work, and began researching and preparing to write a book.
Before he could finish, the pandemic happened, and he began to look more intently to figure out why our model of work was failing, and what we could think and do differently in order to make a better workplace for people. Drawing on his experience as the former CHRO of LinkedIn as well as an HR leader at many organizations, Steve published his book and spends his time advising organizations on talent strategies.
During this conversation, we spoke about the observations Steve made about the challenges with the workplace prior to the pandemic, and how we need to think differently and more expansively about what work can be.
We also spoke in depth about the challenges and limitations of the ways and words we use to talk about work, and why we should be thinking more expansively about the words we use to describe what work can be, in order to create a better world of work.
Links:
- Website: https://stevecadigan.com/
- Book: Workquake: Embracing The Aftershocks of COVID-19 To Create a Better Model of Working
Jennifer is the SVP of Consulting at Workhuman, a leading employee engagement and peformance software company. In her role, Jennifer spends a lot of her days working with HR and People leaders around strengthening workplace cultures especially as many of these leaders are adapting to this new world of work.
During our conversation, we spoke about what’s happening in the workplace today and some of the key trends and issues that Jennifer spends her time talking to people and HR leaders about in her work. She also shared some of the benefits of the power of recognition-based cultures, and her ideas for how we can make the world of work better for humans.
Links:
- Workhuman: www.workhuman.com
- Jennifer's Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-reimert-ccp-68a69/
- Workhuman Live Conference: https://www.workhumanlive.com/americas/
Noah Rabinowitz is a VP of Learning and Development at Moderna Research, and The Head of Moderna University. As a company with a mission to impact the lives of people through medicine and with an organizational culture that values thinking and doing things differently, learning, and creating a culture of learning is the fuel for innovation at Moderna.
As a result, Noah and his team are taking a unique approach to learning, from everything from creating Moderna University, to looking for ways to make their knowledge accessible and open to the public, and making time and space for employees to learn ast part of their jobs.
During our conversation, Noah spoke about the role that Moderna’s culture plays in fostering this culture of learning at Moderna, as well as why they decided to build a university, and how that is fueling their own learning and outside the organization
Links
- Noah’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noahgrabinowitz/
Jen Collins is a learning strategist, and currently the Senior Director of Client Experience at Learn In. As a passionate talent and learning facilitator, Jen uniquely understands the importance of meeting learners where they are, and providing them with opportunities to learn and grow. In her current role at Learn In, Jen partners with leading edge companies who want to invest in their talent by providing them with programs to learn and grow, and ultimately, drive business results.
During our conversation, Jen spoke about the importance and emergence of employee talent academies, and how they help employers upskill talent, and employees develop and grow the skills they need to be successful in their roles. Jen also shared some of the observations she’s made about companies who are prioritizing investing and thus retaining talent, as well as sharing her advice for how leaders can prioritize the development and growth of their people
- Jen’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/learningwithjen/
- Learn In: https://www.learnin.com/
- Betterwork Labs: https://betterworklabs.com/
Melanie Naranjo is the VP of People at Ethena, a global compliance training platform based in the United States. As the VP of People at a fast-growing startup, Melanie and her people team have made career development a critical priority of the company, and have gone through a number of intelligent and thoughtful decisions to help people grow and scale through career development as the company continues to grow and scale.
During this conversation, Melanie spoke about how reviewing the employee engagement survey date gave her and her team an opportunity to really dig into employee’s challenges with career development to identify how they might be able to come up with a solution.
Melanie spoke about how she and the team were able to work with the rest of the organization to articulate and define a definition around topics like career development and growth, the types of programs and systems they’ve put in place to make it happen, as well as the responsibilities of key people in the career development process including employees and managers.
Melanie also spoke about some of the business results of how they were able to improve employee engagement through career development, and her advice and counsel to other leaders who are thinking about career development and mobility for their organization.
Links:
- Melanie's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melanie-naranjo/
- Ethena: https://www.goethena.com/post/career-development-employee-satisfaction
Nick Holmes is the Head of Career Experience at Fishawack Health, a healthcare organization based in the United Kingdom.
As the head of Career Experience, Nick’s role is to build an organization that not only attracts great employees, but develops them, retains them and provides them opportunities to grow so they can contribute to Fishawack Health. Upon taking the role, Nick had a bold mandate, which was to develop and implement a new strategy around career development and the transformation to enable it so Fishawack Health could compete for top talent in a very competitive labor market.
During this conversation, Nick spoke about the “why” for going under this massive transformation. Nick also shared some of the feedback that employees provided on the new programs, technologies and pathways, how they were able to change the culture and behaviors around career development in “drumbeats, not lightning bolts.”
Nick also spoke about how the various technologies and programs that were a part of the transformation engage and interact with employees, Nick’s own learnings to date from leading the transformation, as well as his advice to others who are thinking about developing and implementing a career development strategy for their organization.
Links:
- Nick’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickholmeslandd/
- Profile on Fishawack Health: https://fuel50.com/2022/11/talent-experience-fishawack-health/
Jeremy Schifeling is a Marketing Director at Khan Academy and a Career Development author and instructor. After starting his career as a teacher, Jeremy has since worked in marketing roles at various tech companies including Apple and Linkedin. Through his work, Jeremy has coached, advised and mentored thousands of early career professionals to learn more about their attitudes, preferences and aspirations for what they are looking for out of their jobs and out of their careers.
During our conversation, Jeremy spoke about some of the insights and trends he’s seeing from the early career & Gen Z talent who have recently entered the workforce. We spoke about some of the implications of entering the workforce and a professional job throughout the pandemic, challenges and opportunities around onboarding, employee experience, mentoring and learning, and professional development in a hybrid workplace, and some of the ways in which Jeremy hopes the workplace can evolve to empower early career professionals in the workplace.
Links:
- Jeremy Schifeling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schifeling/
- Jeremy’s Book: Here
Ryan McCrea is the Head of Learning & Leadership Development at Ameren. Throughout his career, Ryan built and scaled career and leadership development programs successfully across multiple industries and functions.
During our conversation, Ryan shared with us his experience around developing a career development function and strategy at multiple companies, and how career development can be successfully implemented in an organization.
Ryan also shared some of his thoughts on the future of leadership development, and his ideas for how organizations can evolve their thinking on how to lead in the changing world of work
Links
- Ryan McCrea’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmccrea/
Matthew Daniel is a Principal ofTalent Strategy & Mobility at Guild Education, and an experienced talent strategist. With deep research and practical experience in career mobility and talent strategy, Matthew has extensive experience in understanding the importance of career mobility and what career pathways can do to unleash the potential and create economic opportunity for professionals. In his work at Guild Education, he leads a research team that works each day in thinking about how they can find more ways to help their clients create better career outcomes through career pathways and development.
During our conversation, Matthew spoke about his perspective on the current state of career mobility, the progress that has been made, as well as the challenges that lie ahead. He also shared some of his examples of where he’s seen companies who have made strategic investments in talent strategy and career mobility that have led to greater business outcomes, and offered some thoughts on how we collectively can embrace new thinking on career mobility to create better opportunities for our talent.
Links
- Matthew’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewjdaniel/
- Matthew’s Articles: https://www.talentmgt.com/articles/2022/10/11/its-time-to-treat-internal-talent-like-campus-hires/
- Guild Education Website: https://www.guildeducation.com/
Larry McAlister is a Talent Transformation Strategist and the Author of the upcoming book: The Power to Transform: A field guide to build a human-centered, tech enabled work culture. As a former talent leader at organizations including NetApp and Equinox, Larry has a demonstrated track record of helping organizations transform their business through an investment in technology and talent. As the Founder of the Consultancy The Corporate Humanist, Larry spends his time advising People and HR Executives on talent transformation challenges, and how they can use tech and talent to create human-first organizations.
During our conversation, Larry spoke about some of his experiences building successful talent strategies inside organizations, and also shared some of his insights from his latest book.
Links:
- Larry’s Book: https://www.larrymcalisterbook.com/
- Larrys’s Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/larrymcalister/
Jim Conti is an experienced talent and people leader, and is currently a Talent Partner for Hyde Park Venture Partners, a Venture Capital Firm based in Chicago, Illinois. In his role as a Talent Partner at Hyde Park Venture Partners, Jim partners with emerging startups at the earliest stages to consult on various talent, people and hr strategies so these early stage companies can set the foundation for success and growth as they scale their organization.
During the conversation, Jim spoke about his journey from working in house in talent and people roles to working across numerous companies within a venture firm as well some of the common talent and people related opportunities that early stage startups face. We also had an expansive discussion around current challenges with attracting and retaining talent in today’s economic conditions, the opportunity to think more strategically and expansively around talent retention and mobility, and some of Jim’s thoughts on the future of talent within the current economy.
Jim Conti
Talent Partner
Hyde Park Venture Partners
https://www.linkedin.com/in/contijc/
https://www.hydeparkvp.com/
Fresia Jackson is a Lead Researcher For Culture Amp, an employee experience software company that helps organizations capture and use data to create impactful employee experiences.
With over 6000 clients, Culture Amp has a significant data set that gives them a unique set of perspectives on the state of the workplace, employee experience, and what is and isn’t working between the relationship of organizations, managers and employees.
During our conversation, Fresia spoke about some of the current trends and insights she and her team at Culture Amp are seeing on what’s going on in the workplace right now, as well as some overall thoughts on company culture. We also spoke in depth about some their latest research based insights including:
- The importance of why you should let your high performers rest and recharge
- Why career development is so critical to employee engagement and retention
- Why the statement “people leave managers not companies” is not entirely true
Links
- Fresia Jackson’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fresiajackson/
- Culture Amp: https://www.cultureamp.com
- Culture First Podcast: https://www.cultureamp.com/podcast/stories-for-a-better-world-of-work
Salesforce, the CRM software company has long been an innovator in technology, but it’s also a pioneer when it comes to looking for, hiring, and developing diverse talent into its company.
In this episode, we spoke to Jennifer Stredler, VP of Untapped Talent at Salesforce. Jennifer has extensive experience working in workforce development, leads many of the efforts at Salesforce to identify diverse talent, bring them in the door, and provide opportunities for them within the organization in meaningful and impactful roles.
During our conversation, Jennifer spoke about the Untapped Talent team she leads at Salesforce, and some of their programs and initiatives they run within their organization, as well as sharing with us some of the ways in which she and her team have helped galvanize the rest of the organization to embrace new and different ways of hiring and providing more opportunities to individuals of different and diverse backgrounds.
Links
- Salesforce Untapped Talent: https://www.salesforce.com/news/stories/how-salesforce-is-opening-the-doors-of-opportunity-for-untapped-talent/
- Jennifer Stredler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-stredler-341bbb80/
Ann Parker is the Associate Director of Talent Consortiums for the Association For Talent Development (ATD). ATD is a professional membership organization supporting those who develop the knowledge and skills of employees around the world. Talent, and attracting, developing and retaining it, has become front and center to helping organization’s thrive in today’s world of work, and ATD’s members are on the front lines of this.
During our conversation, Ann spoke about some of the key trends and observations she’s seeing and hearing from her work with some of the most innovative and forward-thinking talent development leaders. We also spoke about the role that talent development plays in organization’s today, how leaders are navigating the short and long term goals and strategies for learning, and how ATD is helping talent development leaders build a better future of work.
Links:
- ATD Website: https://www.td.org/
- Ann Parker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ann-parker-280313a/
- ATD Forum: https://atd-forum.td.org/
- CTDO Next: https://ctdonext.td.org/
Thomas Brunskill is the CEO of Forage, a technology and recruiting platform that provides free and accessible education and opportunities to connect with employers and to learn about potential fields, functions and roles. Currently, they work with employers like Lululemon, Wal-Mart, Bank of America and Visa, and are expanding rapidly across the globe.
Forage works with companies to design digital learning experiences about job and internship opportunities, what it’s like to work at the company, and educational insights into fields and functions to allow students to gain access to more information and exploration.
During our conversation, Thomas spoke about how his own work experience inspired him to come up with the idea for Forage, and how Forage and its platform are promoting more inclusive and equitable opportunities for early in career talent to explore career paths and roles.
Links
- Forage’s Website: https://www.theforage.com/
- Thomas Brunskill: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tombrunskill/
Nancy Soni is the CEO at Pathmatch, a talent marketplace that helps students explore and identify potential career paths and then matches them with employers for internships and full-time job opportunities. Her inspiration for building Pathmatch comes from her own experience navigating career choices when she was in college, as well as after working for almost 2 decades in the corporate recruiting and hiring space.
During this interview we covered:
- What is Pathmatch, and how it’s providing a new approach to helping early career talent explore careers and internships
- How the current way of hiring college students is outdated, and how Pathmatch is better serving students and employers
- How Pathmatch is bypassing traditional routes to students, and using technology to meet them where they are
- What’s next for Pathmatch and their plan for creating career mobility and opportunities for more students
You Might Enjoy This Episode If
- You are trying to recruit college students and early career talent
- You work in career education and are looking for new and different ways to help your students explore career paths
- You are interested in how technology can improve the career exploration process
Links
- Web: https://www.pathmatch.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancysoni/
Aki Ito is a reporter and columnist with Insider. Aki writes and covers issues that are topical and timely around workplace and careers, and has written about a number of workplace trends that have picked up in the modern media around topics including the great resignation and quiet quitting.
During our conversation, Aki spoke about some of her thoughts on the workplace, and we delved in depth into evaluating the topic of “our relationship with work” as well as what is changing, and what is new about today’s state of the workplace.
Links
- Web: https://www.businessinsider.com/author/aki-ito
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itoaki/
Raffi Salama is the Co-Founder of PassionFruit, a talent marketplace that connects fast-growing companies with independent talent and freelance workers.
While talent and freelance marketplaces are not new, their acceptance and usage is growing, and PassionFruit takes a unique approach as many of their independent workers are younger professionals. In addition to matching freelance talent to opportunities, PassionFruit also provides a community and wrap-around services to their freelancers to ensure they have the skills, support, and guidance they need to thrive as independent professionals.
During our conversation, we spoke about the reasons for building a talent marketplace, the evolution of the workplace from the working world of the Victorian era to the modern day workplace, and the opportunities that exist for employers and independent workers through the use of independent and freelance talent. We also spoke about some of the biggest challenges companies face with hiring more freelance talent, and what PassionFruit is focused on to scale their ambitions and business.
- Website: https://www.usepassionfruit.com/
Anita Hossain is the Co-Founder and CEO of The Grand, a group coaching platform.
During our conversation, Anita spoke about the observations she made as an Executive Coach working with Founders and how that inspired her and her team to start The Grand. As a coach herself, Anita has seen the power of coaching and how it can help employees unlock their full potential in the workplace, and she shared how The Grand is helping employees navigate these challenges through coaching and a group community.
We also spoke about the challenges with transitions in the workplace, small and large, how it is hard to separate an individual’s work and life, and how she sees The Grand evolving and growing as they help to provide people more chances to improve their skills to do their best work.
Links
- Anita’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/ahossain24
- The Grand Website: https://www.thegrand.world/
You Might Enjoy This Episode If:
- You’re struggling with a challenge in the workplace, and think working with someone outside of your workplace (like a coach) could be a helpful endeavor
- You are a people manager who wants to know how you can unlock the potential of your employees
Nolan Smith is the Founder and CEO of Continuum, a marketplace that connects world-class executives with venture-backed companies for fractional and full-time opportunities.
After leadership roles at companies including Doordash and Carta, Nolan founded Continuum to bring fractional opportunities to executives, and to help high-growth tech startups find the expertise and talent they need to solve specific challenges for their business.
During our conversation, we spoke about:
- Nolan’s career, and what he learned from leading people functions and Doordash and Carta
- The insights that led to starting a managed marketplace
- The 3 fundamental elements of Continuums business
- Why executives struggle with finding fractional and part-time work
- How Continuum is thinking about expanding into new markets and opportunities
- The future of work, and what fractional employment means for professionals
Links
- Nolan’s Twitter
- Continuum’s Website
- Pallet
- Scott Belsky: The Rise of Polygamous Careers
Venture Capital Firms are all about investing in what’s new and next in innovation and technology. But while a deep understanding of technology is important, just as important is a keen eye for talent.
Whitnie Narcisse is an Operating Partner at First Round Capital, and oversees their talent, operations and ecosystem programs. With the help of her team, First Round has invested in a number of talent and community programs ranging from helping re-train and reskill professionals into sales and recruiter roles, growing the next set of angel investors that can help First Round scout the next talented set of founders and entrepreneurs, and expert matching programs to help their founders solve specific problems and gain expert guidance from the most talented operators in the First Round Network.
Listen in to Learn About:
- How First Round Capital thinks about talent, and how it helps it’s founders with their talent priorities
- First Round’s Marquee Talent programs including Fast Track, Angel Track, and “Sprints” program
- How it’s training and sourcing new talent through upskilling programs
- How First Round uses an Ecosystem approach to create serendipity and opportunity through experts, people, and relationships
You Might Like This Episode If
- You’re curious about new ways of identifying or attracting talent
- You work in or are interested in venture capital
- You want to find ways to tap into experts and talent outside of your company
Guest Links
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/whitnie/
- https://twitter.com/WhitnieLow
- https://fasttrack.firstround.com/
Today’s Guest is John Koelliker. John is the Founder and CEO of Leland, an expert marketplaces that matches ambitious professionals with coaching, classes, and community needed to reach their educational goals. After working at two tech companies as a Product Manager managing marketplace type products, John decided to apply his learnings and start Leland, a marketplace that helps young professionals who are looking for expert guidance + advice in the education and career find the exact expert they need to unlock the next step in their education and career journey.
Topics covered include:
- John’s professional background, and why he’s interested in marketplaces
- What Leland is, the problem it solves, and how it helps young professionals and students achieve career goals
- How the marketplace works, and the process for matching students and experts
- How young professionals access career guidance and information, and how that factors into Leland’s product
You Might Enjoy This Episode If
- You’re a Career Educator or Admissions Counselor and want to know how young professionals find career advice
- You are a young professional or student, and you want to find specific guidance/advice and want to know what your options look like
- You’re building a marketplace or talent platform, and want to understand how these dynamics work
Links
- Leland Website: https://www.joinleland.com/
- John's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-koelliker/
Ben Siegel is a Co-Founder at Scholars, a technology platform that helps employers manage their communication, employer brand and retention of new hires. In the quest to attract and retain top early in career talent, companies that want to hire top talent must go beyond posting roles and hiring top talent, and also focus on ensuring that new hires have the resources and information they need from the moment they meet the company to when they show up on the first day.
During our conversation, Ben shared how Scholars is helping companies improve their communication and engagement with prospective candidates through their platform. He also spoke about the importance of fostering community, belonging and engagement between candidates and employers, and some of the ways top companies are evolving their approach to hiring Gen Z talent by focusing on improving their employer brand, and using technology and analytics to nurture candidates and new hires.
Links:
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/bensiegel1/
- https://hirescholars.com/
You Might Enjoy This Episode If:- You work in University Career Services
- You are a University Recruiter or Campus Recruiter looking to better engage with university candidates
- You are in charge of hiring and recruiting diverse early career talent
Sophie Smallwood is the Co-Founder and Co-CEO of Roleshare, a job sharing platform that connects individuals looking for fractional roles with companies looking to hire diverse talent. With Roleshare, employees can co-apply to full-time roles, and work flexible schedules and employers can get access to high quality talent.
After working for tech companies like eBay and Facebook, Sophie Co-Founded Roleshare as a way to enable professionals who want to part-time pair up for full-time jobs. Much of the inspiration for Roleshare came from some of Sophie’s lived experience when she and her husband Dave, her Co-CEO and Co-Founder, were expecting their own first child, as well as her desire to create more opportunities for people who want to balance careers and life.
During our conversation, we spoke about Sophie’s inspiration for starting Roleshare, how Roleshare works on both sides of the platform, the ups and downs of starting a company, and encouraging both investors and prospective customers about the potential of their platform. We also spoke about some of the early pilots that Roleshare has run, the types of individuals who sign up for the platform, and what
Links
- Roleshare: www.roleshare.com
- Sophie Smallwood: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophiegonin/
You Might Enjoy This Episode If:
- You’re curious about new ways to work outside of full-time employment
- You’re an investor or founder in the future of work space
- You’re looking to hire diverse talent in new ways
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Corey Kossack is the Founder and CEO of Aspireship, a learning and talent platform for the SaaS industry. Through cohort-based learning and industry-focused guidance coaching, Corey and his team help high potential sales and customer success candidates build the skills and capabilities needed to transition into in-demand jobs in sales and customer success. In this conversation.
Corey spoke about how he and his team are helping professionals upskill and find new careers in sales and customer success, as well as what it takes to build a curriculum and set of services to help employees get to career outcomes. He also spoke about some of the challenges in terms of getting employers to think differently about their hiring practices, and the opportunities he sees ahead for Aspireship.
Links- Aspireship: www.aspireship.com
- Corey's Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykossack/
Who Might Enjoy This Episode?
- Learning and Development Professionals
- Talent Acquisition and Hiring Managers who want to diversify their talent pipeline
- Workforce Development Professionals
- Professionals interested in a career transition into tech sales or customer success
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Dave Fano is the CEO and Founder of Teal, a company that provides thousands of employees tools, skills and recommendations to accelerate job searches and help people grow their careers. During his time as Chief Growth Officer at WeWork, Dave became aware of the lack of tools and infrastructure to support career professionals and started Teal to help solve that challenge.
During our conversation, we spoke to Dave about why he decided to found Teal, how it helps job and career explorers, and his own observations about how employees view jobs and careers as a result of his work. We also covered some of the changes and trends in today’s workplace, the changing view on careers, and what Teal hopes to accomplish in the future by serving professionals.
Links
- Teal
- Dave Fano’s LinkedIn
- Dave Fano’s Twitter
You Might Enjoy This Episode If You:
- Are a job seeker or someone thinking about a career transition
- Are a career educator, coach, or advising someone who is in a job or career transition
- Are a Talent Acquisition or Hiring Professional and want to learn more about how employees are searching for jobs and companies
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- What this podcast is about
- Who might enjoy listening to this podcast
- Some of the common themes and topics which I'll cover during the first season
- Why you should listen
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