The CIRS Group Podcast: Recent Episodes
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CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can happen to 25% of the population and is usually triggered by a biotoxin in the environment, like mold, red tide, lyme (tick bite), and even some medical interventions. Those with CIRS are susceptible to these toxins and cannot clear them on their own. Thankfully, treatment is possible, but given that people suffering with CIRS have difficulty processing new information, we created The CIRS Group and now, this podcast, to help people better understand and identify this treatable illness.
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen.
Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Along with Jacie, she co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis.
Barbara and Jacie are back, this time to share Jacie’s personal health update while she deals with a CIRS relapse after moving into a new apartment. Jacie describes worsening histamine flares, a return of autoimmune symptoms like uveitis, and home testing that showed borderline endotoxins (100), and extremely high actinos (6 million). This prompted a small-particle cleaning and skin/environment retesting that suggested her boyfriend’s microbes were contributing. While waiting to see CIRS clinician Dr. Andrea Jordheim, Jacie used an AIP diet, curcumin, astaxanthin, acupuncture, and a vibration plate to feel better. She reviews her extensive testing results (GI, infections, metabolomics, sinus, spike protein), her boyfriend’s gut results (high Campylobacter, low Akkermansia), her dysbiotic gut findings and leaky-gut indicators, a very high spike protein result (23,000 vs 0.08), and next steps including fasting, nattokinase, quercetin, methylation and genetic testing. In her next update, she’ll share MARCoNS and water testing (for uranium) results. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:06 Surprise puppy Story
02:20 Jacie's CIRS relapse
03:27 Histamine flares and uveitis
04:41 Home dust tests and skin tests to check for exposure
06:22 Feel better while waiting for your doctor: nutrition and supplements
07:44 Acupuncture and vibration plate
09:54 Doctor appointment and labwork
12:02 All the tests!
14:29 Working with Dr. Andrea Jordheim
15:55 Jacie's boyfriend's gut results
16:50 Jacie's GI dysbiosis findings
19:55 Spike protein test results and FLCCC protocol
22:17 Remaining tests
23:00 Concerning uranium levels in water
24:07 Minerals and methylation
26:16 Difficulty using carbs for fuel
29:06 Celiac genes, staying gluten free
31:46 High MPO may indicate endotoxins
33:05 Hormones, methylation, and hydration
34:38 Next testing, and supplements prioritized
36:10 The importance of collaborative care with your doctor
38:56 Wrap up
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:
Work with Dr. Andrea Jordheim: https://mytransformationwellness.com/
Our interview with Dr. Lacey Venanzi: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=2HQ43ju_lV7PwC3w
Celiac blood test: https://www.rupahealth.com/lab-tests/cyrex-array-3x
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this final CIRSx 2026 recap, Jacie and Barbara cover the conference’s lifestyle-focused talks and share takeaways for listeners. They highlight Mike Pelletier's practical strategies to accelerate CIRS recovery, including prioritizing sleep (consistent bedtime/wake time, cool room, morning light, lowering bedroom CO2, reducing nocturia by shifting fluid intake earlier, and improving nasal breathing), plus frequent “exercise snacks,” movement, and whole-food nutrition. They discuss Lauren Loewenstein's talk on sharing CIRS stories via social media and how coaches can bridge patients, physicians, and remediation teams. They also cover Dr. Hamid's talk on acupuncture as an adjunct for anxiety and autonomic dysregulation, including self-regulation tools like breathing and HRV training. They summarize Dr. Craig Tanio’s Aventhea Trial emphasizing multi-root-cause precision medicine and prevention. Finally, they recap interior designer Kaleigh Concannon's talk on creating low-tox homes, noting challenges with foam/off-gassing in mattresses and couches and focusing on practical risk reduction over perfection. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Timestamps
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:40 Mike Pelletier's lifestyle tips
03:54 Sleep Optimization Tips: sleep, sunlight, lower CO2
06:52 Mouth Taping Debate
08:40 Exercise snacks, temperature, bedding, UV index, movement
14:28 Lauren Lowenstein: leveraging social media to share your story
18:44 Dr. Ilyas Hamid: acupuncture for nervous system regulation
25:52 Dr. Craig Tanio's research on reversing neurodegeneration
29:24 Kaleigh Concannon: low toxicity home design
33:52 Final Thoughts
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:
Reach out to Mike Pelletier to work with him: mike@thrivalhealth.com
Collagen infused mouth tape: https://taped.co/products/mt?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23832672398&gbraid=0AAAABBabV6YK8NK1i2DgtSefZ-Zp7G17B&gclid=CjwKCAjwpqHTBhAcEiwAj2AfuhpIoyBoY6Nl5w2f6VNNrw8O9yqsQVCh0s3ogzbeuHjKseVQ-C83JhoCU1MQAvD_BwE
Weird chin strap thing (may or may not work lol): https://www.amazon.com/facelift-compression-garment/s?k=facelift+compression+garment
Lauren's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebiotoxinlady
Jacie's favorite Qi Gong video: https://youtu.be/onA4pogScVg?is=Shg-9oM-_C7onpwW
Dr. Ilyas Hamid's website: https://acuhollywood.com/
Dr. Craig Tanio's website: https://www.rezilirhealth.com/doctors/craig-p-tanio/
Sign up to Kaleigh's low tox newsletter: https://www.uniquelyyoudecor.com/newsletter
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Barbara and Jacie continue their CIRSx 2026 recap with the medical talks, emphasizing that the episode should not be considered medical advice and encouraging listeners to consult their own CIRS practitioners. They summarize Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker’s talk on “triple positives” on GENIE (AKT, RELA, tubulin) as an early risk pattern for neurodegeneration including Parkinson’s, highlighting the promise of early intervention. Dr. Lacey Venanzi focused on gut-driven inflammation in CIRS via LPS, dysbiosis, permeability tied to low MSH, and discussed preferred microbiome testing. Dr. Kellen Milani shared a stalking experience and the need for practitioner boundaries. Louise Carter reviewed GENIE/HLA patterns, suggesting CIRS subtypes and vascular dysregulation. Dr. Eric Dorninger covered step five of the Shoemaker Protocol: androgen correction, especially DHEA, plus additional testing options like DUTCH. Dr. Scott McMahon critiqued overly broad test interpretation. Dr. Oseni discussed pulmonary manifestations of CIRS and spirometry, noting TGF-beta1 and fibrosis. Dr. Peg DiTulio reviews MARCoNS treatment data, maintenance strategies to prevent recolonization, and when to consider ENT/dental issues. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:00 Dr. Shoemaker on Triple Positives
03:34 Dr. Lacey Venanzi: Gut Endotoxins and Actinos
10:03 Dr. Milani: her story of being stalked by a patient
15:58 Louise Carder's talk on GENIE subtypes
20:46 Dr. Eric Dorninger's hormone support talk
24:52 Dr. Scott McMahon on proper medical terms
32:18 Dr. Oseni on testing lung capacity
35:57 Dr. Peg DiTullio: lessons from treating MARCoNs
42:59 Wrap Up Next Episode
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
Dr. Lacey Venanzi's website: https://www.drlacey.org/
Our interview with Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=A4SrJ6tmY_zr1u53
Dr. Lacey's new podcast with Dr. Christian: https://www.coherencedx.com/
Dr. Kellyn Milani's website: https://remedynaturalhealth.com/
Louise Carder's website (for UK based patients): https://www.colabeu.com/
Dr. Eric Dorninger's website: https://drdorninger.com/
Our interview with Dr. Anjali Noble about hormones and menopause: https://youtu.be/OStNHRNffqw?si=PUfXfmfcAoVbvFR1
Our episode on urinary mycotoxin tests: https://youtu.be/qWIIBaMybFA?si=5yoXqYTGvDSC6YG6
Our interview with Dr. Peg re: tick borne illness: https://youtu.be/czSjykCdOR4?si=P-oePTLGCG-ujip6
Dr. Peg DiTulio's website: https://regenixhealing.com/
Our episode all about MARCoNs: https://youtu.be/wOSmKcZr06s?si=7s7wJKQQa7EidDel
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Barbara and Jacie kick off their annual CIRSx 2026 Conference recap series, focusing this episode on remediation and environmental talks, with a reminder to consult an indoor environmental professional (IEP) for climate-specific guidance. They summarize key presentations: Bill Weber and Christine Semabeu on prevention-first building and homeowner maintenance (leak management, access panels, alarms, early mechanical planning, and the book “Mold Controlled” by John Banta); contractor Brian Tinker on why building code isn’t sufficient for “medically clean homes,” the need to budget for mold-safer materials, identify dust reservoirs, and validate with testing throughout construction; forensic engineer Joe Lstiburek’s moisture-management building science emphasizing drying potential and prioritizing people/building health over energy efficiency; Air Oasis updates including a planned 2027 model with requested features and current 2.0 model features; Max McCord on using thermal imaging to find hidden moisture; Osman Zelaya on making inspection reports function like construction blueprints through clearer communication; and Jack Getz’s case study building an 800 sq ft CIRS-friendly home over a garage with detailed design choices and costs. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:40 Bill Weber and Christine Cimabue: Prevention is better than remediation
07:00 Brian Tinker: building beyond code
12:03 Joseph Lstiburek - Building Science Masterclass: Don't do stupid things
16:07 Brad Baxter, COO of Air Oasis: new model in 2027
21:17 Max McCord: finding hidden moisture
24:51 Osmin Zelaya: better inspection reports - better communication
28:06 CIRS Friendly Home Case Study
35:09 Key Takeaways and Wrap Up
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS:
Bill Weber's website: https://avelar.net/articles_publications/team/bill-weber/
Christine Cimabue's website: https://byholistichomes.com/
John Banta's book, Mold Controlled: https://www.johncbanta.com/publications
Brian Tinker's website: https://breathewellhomes.com/
Joseph Lstiburek's website: https://buildingscience.com/users/jlstiburek
Air Oasis air filters: https://www.airoasis.com/
Max McCord's website: https://www.stonecrest.team/
Osmin Zelaya's website: https://medviro.com/Leadership
John Goetz's recommendation for people interested in building their own CIRS safe home: https://buildshownetwork.com/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Barbara and Jacie share “hot takes” after CIRSx 2026 in Fort Lauderdale. Barbara attended in person and Jacie watched virtually. They discuss feeling “weird vibes” and a more corporate yet conflicted identity, with misalignment about whether the conference is for providers, patients, or remediators, and concerns about limited innovation within the Shoemaker community. They encourage practitioners to seek innovation through CIRS Lab and mention Dr. Lacey Venanzi and Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres’ work. They highlight standout talks from Brian Tinker on safe homes, Dr. Venanzi on endotoxemia/actinos in the gut, Mike Pelletier on patient lifestyle changes, Dr. Kellyn Milani on being stalked by a patient, Louise Carter on GENIE patterns, Jack Goetz on building a CIRS-conscious home, and Kayleigh Concannon on low-tox furnishings, while noting many other talks felt unhelpful and lacking actionable takeaways.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro: CIRSx
01:11 Hot Takes explained
03:25 Medical Disclaimer
03:48 Weird Conference Vibes
06:30 Who is CIRSx for?
07:57 Innovation beyond Shoemaker
10:56 Gatekeeping and publishing pressure
14:53 Tell me why I'm watching this
18:22 Standout talks and teasers
30:00 Up next!
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
If you're a health coach or practitioner in the CIRS space, join the practitioner membership at https://www.cirslab.com/
Our recent episode with Dr. Christian and Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/7H6CKEhIMSU?si=Dr18_Gg8fpZfkKsh
Dr. Christian and Dr. Lacey's new podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@CoherenceDX
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this The CIRS Group Podcast episode, Jacie and Barbara explain MARCoNS (multiple antibiotic resistant coagulase-negative staphylococci) as a common deep nasal colonization in CIRS patients and why it’s addressed as step three in the Shoemaker Protocol (after leaving exposure and using binders). They discuss how MARCoNS may perpetuate inflammation and low MSH, what symptoms can look like, and how to test via a deep nasal swab (ordered from MicrobiologyDX). They review Shoemaker-style treatments such as EDTA with silver, BEG spray, plus alternatives like xylitol sprays, ozone, red light therapy, and propolis sprays, along with titration and irritation considerations. They also cover why MARCoNS can recur (ongoing exposure, incomplete eradication, pets, personal items), debate whether MARCoNS is cause vs result, and mention broader nasal testing (MicroGenDX Sinus Key) and evolving approaches beyond the patented Shoemaker Protocol. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
01:31 What MARCoNS Means
02:41 Colonization vs Infection
03:30 Why you should care about MARCoNs
05:56 MARCoNs Symptoms
09:29 Timing your treatment for MARCoNs
10:41 Testing technique
14:32 How to understand your test results
15:55 Shoemaker-endorsed treatment for MARCoNs
20:37 Other options for treatment
28:58 Why do MARCoNs take hold, and why does it keep it from coming back
32:11 Do MARCoNS really matter?
34:49 Beyond MARCoNS sinus testing
36:40 The next frontier of sinus testing and treatment
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
Order your own MARCoNs test: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kits
Our interview with Dr. Andrew Heyman: https://youtu.be/WwTRQTuUeC8?si=3HfIk0fE7OCCygj6
The CIRS Summit (to view Christian's talk on nasal treatments): https://cirs-summit-2025.heysummit.com/talks/how-the-latest-nasal-swab-testing-can-help-you-heal/
Order your own SinusKey test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
On this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara interview Dr. Andrew Heyman about Dr. Naviaux’s cell danger response (CDR) framework and why it can explain stalled recoveries in chronic mold-related illness and CIRS. Heyman describes how mitochondrial “danger mode” drives three phases: initial inflammation (innate immune activation), rebuilding via aerobic glycolysis, and reintegration requiring “all clear” signals like VIP, which positions CIRS as a subset of CDR. He emphasizes total toxic load (mold/biotoxins plus chemicals, metals, infections, gut-derived endotoxins, physical trauma, and emotional trauma), and discusses the neuroendocrine-immune axis (VIP, MSH, PACAP) and autonomic/vagal tone as key to recovery. He outlines his BeyondMold.com five-phase clinical program: environment/binders and chemical detox support, pathogen work, gut optimization, metabolic/hormone rebuilding with nervous system support, and a final readiness-to-heal/phenotyping phase using targeted safety signals (including VIP forms).
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro to Dr. Andrew Heyman
02:38 What Is Cell Danger Response?
06:38 CIRS in the context of Cell Danger Response: changing gene expression
12:18 The role of total toxic load and co-infections
16:52 How the nervous system is affected by Cell Danger Response
22:27 Why having a solid practitioner in your corner is so important
23:56 The limitations of CIRS diagnostic testing
28:47 Beyond Mold framework for healing in five phases
37:18 Are you ready to heal?
46:16 Advice for stalled patients
51:14 How to work with Dr. Heyman and Beyond Mold
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
WORK WITH DR. HEYMAN: https://beyondmold.com/
Dr. Heyman Q&A mentioned in the outro: https://www.youtube.com/live/EWoki09eHhk
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Barbara and Jacie wrap up their five-part Shoemaker Protocol series with Phase 5: Repair and Restore. This phase focuses on normalizing innate immune markers (MMP-9, C3a, C4a, and TGFb1) and restoring brain volume. They explain that low-starch/gluten-free diet helps bring down MMP-9, while persistently elevated C3a/C4a or TGFb1 often signal ongoing exposure, gut issues, tick-borne illness, or dental cavitations. The episode culminates with VIP (vasoactive intestinal peptide) nasal spray (the most anticipated step of the entire protocol!) which supports anti-inflammatory pathways, neurological function, and brain volume restoration over 6–12 months.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction: Phase Five
01:24 Medical Disclaimer
01:55 Innate Immune Markers and VIP Nasal Spray
02:50 Understanding MMP-9
05:14 C3a and C4a Markers
07:20 TGFb1
08:18 VIP Spray Treatment
10:34 Closing Thoughts
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this CIRS Group Podcast episode, Jacie and Barbara cover phase four of the Shoemaker Protocol, focused on restoring normal metabolic function after biotoxin elimination. They explain that this phase may include supporting detox pathways for “normal” toxins and heavy metals (e.g., daily bowel movements, B vitamins, methylation support, sauna or hot baths, lymphatic techniques, and using binders like charcoal or clay for inorganic toxins), addressing androgen/sex hormone imbalance linked to low MSH (including signs of low testosterone or estrogen dominance, supplementing DHEA), and correcting fluid/electrolyte balance via ADH regulation (symptoms like thirst, frequent urination, nocturia, and static shocks). They discuss electrolyte options, a DIY recipe, and provider-monitored desmopressin if needed, and note this phase can also involve investigating other lingering issues or co-infections before moving to phase five. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Welcome to Phase Four
01:00 The purpose of repairing damage done by CIRS
03:14 Detox Pathways basics
05:33 Binders for heavy metals
07:05 Androgen & hormone balance
09:40 Fluid and Electrolyte Issues: ADH/Osmolality
12:21 Electrolyte options
14:12 Desmopressin reset explained
15:41 Tidying up and co-infections
17:22 Next Phase and wrap up
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
Electrolyte caps Barbara uses: https://redmond.life/products/re-lyte-hydration-support-plus-caps
LMNT Recipe (check FAQ): https://drinklmnt.com/pages/ingredients
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Struggling with stubborn biotoxin illness (CIRS) and feeling stuck in your recovery? In this episode, we break down some of the most important (and often overlooked) steps in the Shoemaker Protocol, including binders, MARCoNS treatment, and gut support. Learn how binders like cholestyramine and Welchol work differently to remove biotoxins, why the wrong detox approach can trigger setbacks, and how to track your progress with tools like the Visual Contrast Sensitivity (VCS) test. We also dive into MARCoNS: why it's so common in CIRS patients, how it impacts MSH and overall health, and the treatment options available, from prescription nasal sprays to over-the-counter approaches. Plus, we discuss biofilms, reinfection risks, pet testing, and practical strategies for breaking the cycle. Whether you're just getting started or looking to optimize your treatment plan, this episode will help you better understand the next critical steps in recovering from CIRS and mold-related illness. None of this is medical advice: always consult your CIRS practitioner for what treatment is right for you.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Introduction & Recap
02:54 - Why phase three is the most anticipated part of recovery
03:26 - The most effective binders for detoxification: Cholestyramine and Welchol
06:00 - Over-the-counter binder options: Mycobind and Chitosan
07:05 - The importance of using the correctly charged binders
09:21 - Visual Contrast Sensitivity test: tracking biotoxin effects
13:00 - Treating MARCoNs: nasal testing, nasal sprays, and herbal options
14:15 - Cycle of MARCoNs and MSH depletion
16:19 - Nasal testing resources and nasal spray treatments (EDTA, BEG spray, X Lear)
17:35 - Testing the nasal biome with Sinus Key
19:14 - Impact of diet, microbiome, and specific food sensitivities on gut healing
25:14 - Supporting detox through bowel movements with magnesium
26:26 - The importance of sequencing treatment steps for optimum results
27:23 - Encouragement to stay on track, subscribe, and support the channel
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
Our Binders episode: https://youtu.be/KAQfLXuPjFI?si=TcJo-YDEjVLNInqW
Visual Contrast Sensitivity (VCS) test options:
https://www.vcstest.com/
https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening
https://beyondmold.com/product/visual-contrast-sensitivity-test/
MARCoNs test: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kits
SinusKey test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey
Actinos episode where we reference the SinusKey: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=MBT7_esd0edmfhCX
Dr. Christian Navarro Torres' website to book a consult: https://www.cirslab.com/
Dr. Andrea Jordheim's website to work with her: https://mytransformationwellness.com/
Our interview with Dr. Lacey Venanzi: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=wExZGivhkEALSR4O
Our second interview with Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/7H6CKEhIMSU?si=WrMPttnfyRq2aMvC
Dr. Lacey's website to work with her: https://www.drlacey.org/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Is mold colonization the same as CIRS? Could what looks like a fungal infection actually be something else entirely? In this episode, Barbara is joined by Dr. Lacey Venanzi and Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres to break down the difference between mold/fungal colonization and chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS), explore the surprisingly important role of actinobacteria, and walk through practical, affordable treatment strategies: from pharmaceutical antifungals to botanicals and nasal rinsing. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
01:19 Meet the guests: Dr. Lacey Venanzi & Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres
02:25 What is mold or fungal colonization?
05:01 Is fungal overgrowth a root cause or a downstream effect?
06:08 CIRS vs. fungal colonization: Two distinct diagnoses
07:45 Symptoms of fungal colonization (skin, gut, sinuses, cravings)
10:56 Pharmaceutical antifungals and herbal antifungals
15:30 Risks of using antifungals in CIRS patients
17:25 Why some patients improve on antifungals
19:55 Why timing matters: get out of exposure first
22:25 Actinobacteria: the overlooked player in CIRS
24:19 How actinobacteria mimics fungal infections
26:32 Testing: options, limitations & what to look for
28:15 Key botanical treatments: Horopito, thyme, clove, eucalyptus & tea tree
29:00 Affordable testing options for patients
32:20 Safe steps patients can take (Horopito)
32:49 Dilute the bacteria, lower the burden: cleaning and motility
33:56 Probiotics & prebiotics for fungal/actino burden
35:36 Topical treatment: Horopito Lotion
37:05 Nasal treatment: saline & baby shampoo technique
39:00 Barbara's saline rinse tips & real-world experience
44:03 Why baby shampoo works (surfactants explained)
45:11 Horopito cream for nasal & skin use
47:10 Coherence DX and additional resources
Check out Dr. Lacey and Dr. Christian's new company Coherence DX! https://www.coherencedx.com/
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CoherenceDX
Dr. Lacey's website: https://www.drlacey.org/
Dr. Christian's website: https://www.cirslab.com/
LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
Our Actinos Episode: https://youtu.be/yf9EoTbyAEo?si=nZIZAAlPlBgnObfI
Our Actinos Cleaning episode: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=TRx356TkQBm1BBJn
Our first interview with Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=8tHFQCKqrLxiFESq
Our latest interview with Dr. Christian: https://youtu.be/Lc_LfUeiYTM?si=6CFLE6w71gtSqStj
CSA (comprehensive stool analysis) from ParasiteTesting.com: https://www.parasitetesting.com/CSA?srsltid=AfmBOor_itSEGDFWmeorkB2spnrFXO48-f07lwE7G8V8Hc9NxB4Y92AJ
Cheap gut test: https://www.ombrelab.com/products/ombre-gut-health-test?selling_plan=2189295771
More comprehensive gut test: https://www.tinyhealth.com/adult-test
SinusKey nose test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey
Horopito capsules:
https://kolorex.com/collections/gut-care/products/candia-balance-gut-care-60
Dr. Lacey's favorite probiotics:
BioGaia: https://a.co/d/0cQZgJhw
Florastor: https://a.co/d/09oFxiLs
Sun Fiber: https://a.co/d/0hkdbUZh
Horopito topical cream (the gentlest option): https://kolorex.com/products/vaginal-care-cream
Neti Pot Barbara uses: https://a.co/d/08DKajTT
Nasal swabs Barbara uses: https://a.co/d/0fgglU5f
Fragrance free Baby Shampoo: https://www.target.com/p/johnson-39-s-sensitive-care-baby-2-in-1-body-wash-38-shampoo-lightly-scented-13-5-fl-oz/-/A-87442350#lnk=sametab
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie and Barbara cover Phase Two (part two of five) of the Shoemaker Protocol for CIRS, focusing on foundational steps before starting binders:
Lipid replacement therapy (primarily fish oil) to lower inflammation and help prevent common binder side effects like fatigue, constipation, and overall dryness, with Shoemaker-recommended omega-3 dosing (EPA 2,400 mg and DHA 1,800 mg daily) and cautions about blood-thinning;
Limbic retraining to address errant threat signals from chronic illness, with nuance that intensive programs can be too difficult early on and may work better once out of exposure and/or on binders, while also warning against symptom suppression without addressing root causes;
And the critical priority of getting out of exposure through testing (dust tests for mold, endotoxins, and actinos), remediation or moving, and exploring hidden, internal exposures that can cause plateaus or backslides in your health. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode, all about Phase Three, removing the toxic burden!
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Phase Two of the Shoemaker Protocol
01:25 Why this foundational phase matters
02:54 What is Lipid Replacement? and why is it important?
06:17 Fish Oil / lipid dosing tips
08:04 Limbic Retraining explained
10:51 When Limbic Retraining backfires
14:23 Hyperreactivity Catch-22
18:25 Get out of exposure
20:42 Hidden exposures and healing stalls
22:27 Key takeaways and next phase
24:08 Wrap up and resources
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Check out these episodes mentioned in this episode:
Interview with Michael Schrantz about remediation: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=mzNeGslwGjaYhWqi
Interview with Bill Weber about testing your home: https://youtu.be/RlKjTqVAeNU?si=Eymfvcdk4G6kzylV
Interview with Kendra Seymour on choosing a remediator or IEP: https://youtu.be/zmt9e42LLac?si=cTTvunobvEt8YL_n
Dust testing 101: https://youtu.be/nRrZs7xbXcc?si=55oXFRCV5kO_p0JD
Endotoxin episode: https://youtu.be/O0iKndNzfYA?si=X-iX1NoRO2U7U-QV
Actinos episode part one: https://youtu.be/yf9EoTbyAEo?si=d2KUSzNpX2cs0DKE
and Part two: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=wDHiSy58Vw5fZ5fa
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Uncover the truth behind chronic illnesses that are often misdiagnosed for years. If you’ve been told your symptoms are anxiety, IBS, or autoimmune, this episode explores a groundbreaking approach that could change everything. Learn how the Shoemaker Protocol, backed by clinical research, helps identify and treat CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome) caused by biotoxin exposure like mold.
In this episode, Barbara and Jacie walk through the first phase of the Shoemaker Protocol: determining whether CIRS is the root cause of your symptoms. You’ll learn how to recognize key symptom patterns, use the validated VCS (Visual Contrast Sensitivity) test, and identify common exposure sources such as water-damaged buildings and tick bites.
What you’ll learn:
• The 35 symptom clusters linked to CIRS and how to assess your own
• How the VCS test can be an early screening tool
• Common exposure triggers that are often overlooked
• The role of genetics and why pattern recognition matters
• The first steps to begin a clinically validated path to recovery
CIRS can create widespread disruption in the body, from immune dysfunction to neurological symptoms, and is frequently mistaken for other conditions. This episode helps you connect the dots so you can move toward targeted, effective healing.
Whether you’re just starting your health journey or searching for answers after years of confusion, this is part one of a five-part series designed to bring clarity, direction, and hope.
Explore more resources and support at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro: an answer for healing
01:35 - Why we're covering the five phases of the Shoemaker Protocol
02:53 - What is CIRS?
04:09 - Common misdiagnoses
05:25 - Understanding CIRS Symptoms
08:23 - Four Pillars of CIRS Diagnosis: First, Symptom Clusters
09:00 - Second: Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test
12:48 - Third: Exposure History and Its Importance
16:25 - Fourth: Blood Work and Genetic Testing
19:20 - What CIRS is Not
20:30 - Next Steps for Diagnosis
22:15 - Personal Experiences and Hope for Healing
24:00 - Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie and Barbara discuss chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), emphasizing it as a real, multisystem illness rather than “just being tired,” and describe hallmark symptoms like post-exertional malaise (PEM), unrefreshing sleep, brain fog/word-finding issues, orthostatic intolerance, sensory sensitivity, pain, headaches, and the push-crash cycle. They explain how ME/CFS is often hard to diagnose due to lack of a single definitive test, the use of exclusionary testing and symptom criteria, and how cardiopulmonary exercise testing can objectively demonstrate impaired recovery and reduced oxygen utilization, which is useful for disability or legal documentation. They argue the diagnosis is a label, not a root cause, and propose chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS) from biotoxin exposure (often water-damaged buildings/mold) as a potential driver, citing Dr. Ming Dooley’s review comparing ME/CFS research to CIRS treatment outcomes. They outline next steps: assess exposure history and symptom patterns, take symptom clusters and the VCS test, find a CIRS-literate practitioner, address current environments before protocols, and explore resources and their community membership. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro to Chronic Fatigue / medical disclaimer
02:30 Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is real, let's ask WHY
04:26 What is ME/CFS?
06:40 The CFS lived experience
09:09 Getting a ME/CFS diagnosis
11:05 Labels vs root cause
12:08 What is actually happening when you have ME/CFS
13:01 How CIRS may cause ME/CFS: published research backed
15:29 Why doctors miss CIRS
17:14 Next steps if you want to seek treatment
20:10 Testing and find a practitioner that is Shoemaker Certified
21:04 Resources
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:
Ming Dooley's published research connecting CFS and CIRS:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40806417/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11623837/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41265402/
VCS test and symptom questions for CIRS: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode, Barbara and Jacie discuss how CIRS patients can tell when they’re ready to move to the next step of the Shoemaker Protocol or “graduate,." As always, healing is gradual and should be guided by a CIRS-literate practitioner. They recommend tracking symptoms over time and checking three key questions: whether symptoms are improving, whether labs support improvement, and whether ongoing exposure is still occurring. The Shoemaker Protocol can be divided into three phases: (1) getting out of exposure by identifying and removing biotoxins, (2) clearing biotoxins with binders like cholestyramine (often causing temporary fatigue/constipation) and treating MARCoNS; and (3) repairing immune and hormonal dysfunction with supportive therapies, diet, and lifestyle supports. They also cover what “graduation” means, and common side quests if stalled, including Lyme, gut issues, dental problems, microbiome disruptions, spike protein, and autoimmune-related damage. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Timestamps
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:18 The benefits of symptom tracking
03:16 The Shoemaker Protocol in three phases
04:15 Phase One: get out of exposure
06:13 When you can graduate to phase two
09:02 Phase Two: clear the biotoxins (take binders)
11:12 MARCoNs treatment
12:20 Phase Three: repair and regulate
15:03 Fix your brain with VIP Spray
18:51 What "graduation" actually means: Life after CIRS
20:19 When you stall, check for exposure
21:36 Check for Co-infections, co-morbidities, other side quests
25:26 Final takeaways
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
Our Neuroquant episode: https://youtu.be/Lc_LfUeiYTM?si=DNbUj0nSdaXFGIqr
Our interview with Jenny Johnson, about Life After CIRS: https://youtu.be/-c_bWUjP_uI?si=3hCbQ_CIkBbXvtTa
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In their 150th The CIRS Group podcast episode(!!), Jacie and Barbara share practical guidance for reducing actinos in the home, emphasizing that consistent removal matters because a CIRS patient can react whether actinos are dead or alive. This is NOT medical advice: Actinos guidance is leading-edge in the CIRS space, but they share what has worked for them and members of The CIRS Group. For skin, they discuss Defense soap, lava soap, Selsun Blue, Lume acidifying wash, and Johnson’s Baby Shampoo (noting dryness/irritation tradeoffs), plus probiotic lotion for localized issues. For laundry, they recommend washing clothing after one wear, and frequently washing bedding, pillows, and towels. For the home, they advise using a sealed HEPA vacuum broadly (walls, furniture, mattress, woven items), dry and damp dusting (including walls with a wet Swiffer), and using masks. If you feel overwhelmed, try breaking cleaning into manageable chunks, and consider help from cleaners, friends, or family. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 150th Episode Kickoff
01:18 Intro and disclaimer
02:25 Why aren't you in The CIRS Group?
04:10 Why consistent cleaning is important
05:18 Human derived actino tests and strategies
06:57 Skin/hair washing options
11:50 Laundry washing strategies
15:42 Home cleaning strategy (small particle cleaning or SPC)
16:49 Vacuuming and wet wiping / dry wiping
21:36 Making it sustainable
25:34 Wrap Up and Next Steps
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
Book a consultation with Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres: https://consult-christian.as.me/schedule/a89e8b00/appointment/
Book a consultation with Dr. Andrea Jordheim: https://mytransformationwellness.com/about/
SinusKey test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey
Book a consultation with Dr. Lacey: https://www.drlacey.org/
Skin Actino test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/actino-skin/?v=7516fd43adaa
Larry Schwartz interview on Actinos: https://www.betterhealthguy.com/episode171
Jenny’s actinos episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUIvXrWYZOQ&pp=ygUUamVubnkgam9obnNvbiBhY3Rpbm8%3D
ISEAI SPC protocol https://iseai.org/small-particle-cleaning-guide-for-people-with-mold-related-illness/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
To check out the actinos cleaning protocol class Barbara just recorded, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Barbara and Jacie discuss actinos (actinobacteria) in the context of CIRS and how they can drive illness. Notably, Genie Test research suggests 42% of CIRS patients react to Actinos versus 30% to endotoxins and about 10% to mycotoxins. Today's episode covers testing strategies, and if human-derived actino scores are high, they suggest testing your skin with test swabs behind the ear after showering, with a goal of under 10,000 per species and good diversity. They also discuss cyanobacteria and water testing, soil-related sources, sinus microbiome testing (SinusKey), gut testing, and highlight CIRSLab’s Christian Navarro Torres and Dr. Andrea Jordheim's important research in this field. SUBSCRIBE because part two will cover cleaning and removal! To check out the actinos cleaning protocol class Barbara just recorded, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:39 What are actinos?
02:37 Types of actinos and where they come from
06:13 Why actinos matter in CIRS
07:50 How to test for actinos
10:05 How and why to test your skin
11:43 Testing vs just cleaning
12:50 Disclaimer about actinos
14:18 How to deal with Cyanobacteria and water sources
17:25 How to deal with soil derived actinos
20:40 Human sources of actinos: skin, sinus, and gut
25:31 Part Two Teaser and Resources
To check out the actinos cleaning protocol class Barbara just recorded, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
Actinos test for your home: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/actino-test/
Actinos test for your skin: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/actino-skin/
SinusKey for a nasal test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey
Check out our interview with Dr. Lacey to learn more about gut testing: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=etUt-z5YSl3-hOLs
Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres' website: https://www.cirslab.com/
Dr. Andrea Jordheim's website: https://mytransformationwellness.com/about/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie and Barbara return from an unexpected break, caused by Jacie's autoimmune flare after moving into an apartment with a high actino score. Today's episode outlines what to do during a CIRS “flare” or symptom backslide. Some tips covered inclide: defining early warning signs, using objective tracking tools like the VCS test, symptom logs, and wearables, and scheduling periodic bloodwork (including MSH, MMP-9, and TGF beta-1). Their step-by-step approach emphasizes testing the environment (HERTSMI-2 or ERMI, plus endotoxins and actino), getting on waitlists for CIRS providers and Indoor Environmental Professionals, and addressing root cause through remediation, cleaning, and restarting the protocol. They'll also cover how to reduce inflammation with supportive measures while waiting for care. Once healed from CIRS, many patients build long-term resilience by investigating “side quests” like co-infections and keeping a clean environment. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro: Back from break
01:20 Disclaimer
02:05 What is a health or autoimmune flare?
03:03 How to monitor your health at home
05:11 First step to recover from a flare: testing
06:26 Environment testing options: Mold, Actinos, Endos
07:49 VCS and bloodwork testing
09:30 Schedule with an Indoor Environmental Professional and/or Doctor
12:05 Treat root cause, but reduce inflammation however you can
14:36 Work on nutrition, supplements, and other therapies
16:53 Cleaning and how Jacie made quick progress
18:01 Mindset: You are not at zero
19:22 Build resilience long term, and attack co-infections
21:17 Take care of yourself
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
Our episode on testing your environment: https://youtu.be/nRrZs7xbXcc?si=k3zDvBWc_wio7Idu
Our episode that covers the VCS test/CIRS diagnosis: https://youtu.be/CCT2iJrbI7w?si=ttQT3rZFsgG2fOdu
Our episode on CIRS Bloodwork: https://youtu.be/XMtbxLLZzaU?si=jn_lTvXeHBGKEpVl
VCS Test: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening
Environment Testing: https://lisbiotech.com/home/services-2/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie and Barbara discuss why unlimited money and access to extreme treatments doesn’t usually lead to better or faster healing. Wealth can remove “financial friction,” which inadvertently encourages fear-based, urgent, and uncoordinated decision-making, including fringe or unregulated therapies, constant protocol switching, and symptom-focused biohacking without tracking or testing. They emphasize the importance of strategy, sequencing, and objective measurement, highlighting the Shoemaker Protocol as a foundational, ordered approach for CIRS treatment. They'll also cover how you can evaluate treatments and doctors, and why discernment and thoughtful pacing often matter more than money. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Timestamps
00:00 Intro, let's talk about money
03:33 Does more money mean worse health decisions?
04:22 Acknowledging the difficulty of healing without income
06:04 Sick and Wealthy Psychology Trap
08:51 Real world example of wealthy patient acting recklessly
12:40 Track results, not hype
14:31 There's not one miracle cure for chronic illness
16:00 Timing matters
17:51 Middle class advantages
19:35 How to determine the best treatment and doctor for you
22:40 What makes a great doctor
25:09 Discernment can be greater than money
25:52 Wrap up and encouragement
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Watch our first reaction video to Chris Williamson's health updates: https://youtu.be/5uTs5B6ySHQ?si=qLdsrLLbzmWkiOWK
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this week's episode, Barbara and Jacie explain why people with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) or mold illness should test their home (and workplaces) and when. They'll dig into why multiple tests are better to understand the full picture rather than relying on a single score, and recommend working with an IEP (Indoor Environmental Professional) for interpretation and creating an action plan. They cover MSQPCR dust testing (ERMI/HERTSMI-2), best sampling practices, testing per room/floor, separate testing for basements/crawl spaces/attics, and using an outdoor control sample as well. They discuss why the mold species matter, where to get tests (LisBiotech), and some other methods your IEP may use to test your home: spore traps/air sampling, tape lifts, swabs, bulk sampling, and cultures. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Timestamps
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:43 Why should you test your home?
02:20 When should you test your home?
04:09 Side note about testing for mold, actinos and endotoxins
05:19 MSQPCR Dust Testing: ERMI, HERTSMI-2
08:26 How to interpret your ERMI or HERTSMI-2 results
11:06 Where to get MSQPCR dust tests
13:15 When should you hire an Indoor Environmental Professional (IEP)
14:36 Other methods of testing: Air Sampling
16:52 Tape Lift testing
18:34 Swab testing
19:09 Bulk Sampling
21:31 Culturable testing
23:21 Next Steps: vetting professional help
25:48 Retest during and after remediation
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
Order your dust testing: https://lisbiotech.com/
Our interview with Bill Weber: https://youtu.be/RlKjTqVAeNU?si=9VZ4RnafI6Gx2QRp
Our interview with Michael Schrantz: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=kmMrR9lPBgffrFND
The CIRSx course for Medically Important Remediation: https://institute.cirsx.com/course/mir101
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie and Barbara discuss how CIRS commonly affects body weight: often causing weight gain and resistance to fat loss, though some people experience extreme weight loss. They'll dig into why weight changes are driven by chronic, multi-system inflammation from biotoxin exposure (such as mold or Lyme), impacting hormones, metabolism, detox pathways, the brain, and the nervous system. It’s not simply “calories in, calories out,” and listeners are encouraged to stop blaming themselves. Key contributors to weight gain include elevated cortisol, hormone disruption (leptin resistance, insulin resistance, altered thyroid signaling even with normal labs, and sex hormone imbalance), nervous system stuck in survival mode, why calorie restriction can reinforce danger signals, and how toxin storage in fat tissue can slow fat loss during detox. They emphasize supportive strategies aligned with the Shoemaker protocol: reduce exposure, calm inflammation, use binders and support detox (including daily bowel movements, sleep, gentle movement, sweating, and lymphatic support), prioritize blood sugar stability, eat adequate protein, sleep, and nervous system regulation. They caution that trying harder through calorie restriction, excessive cardio, and weight cycling can worsen stress signals, and raise concerns about GLP-1s. Focus on healing first: weight often shifts as a side effect of recovery. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Why weight changes are so common with CIRS
01:00 Medical Disclaimer
01:13 Body image issues and bloating: Be comfy and buy clothes that fit
02:12 Inflammation, genetics, leptin, and why it’s not just about calories
05:38 How CIRS causes weight gain: Cortisol, Hormones, and Survival Mode
10:45 Detox, fat storage & the unsexy truth: You’ve gotta poop!
12:11 Sleep, NEAT/BMR, and Exercise: Finding the Right Dose While Healing
15:02 Why “Trying Harder” Backfires: Dieting, Cardio, Weight Cycling & GLP-1s
17:32 Step-by-Step: Heal First to Lose Weight (Reduce Exposure, Detox, Protein, Sleep)
21:21 Real-Life Results, Encouragement, and Where to Get Support
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS
Hashimoto's episode: https://youtu.be/EpmdvcBbsi4?si=Yxq0_lCaW-bXy2Dx
Workout episode: https://youtu.be/69Weo6s1FAQ?si=IqJbBdo_upKtTxOJ
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this week's episode, Barbara and Jacie discuss how anxiety and depression commonly show up in CIRS, and why these symptoms are often driven by biology and NOT personal weakness. Brain and body inflammation can disrupt neurotransmitters, increase inflammatory cytokines, affect mood regulation, and contribute to blood-brain barrier dysfunction and limbic system hypervigilance, leading to depression, anxiety, cognitive issues, and difficulty word-finding. They share personal experiences with OCD, suicidal ideation, and severe anxiety. They emphasize a “bottom-up” approach (reducing inflammation, treating CIRS/co-infections, addressing environment and exposures like mold) alongside “top-down” supports (therapy, limbic retraining, and community), noting therapy may be less effective without addressing root inflammation. They also highlight how mood improves with treatment, and suggest support options including The CIRS Group community and small group coaching through Untamed Iona (Dr. Lauren Sparks and Dr. Brenda Stewart). Check out our helpful links below the time stamps.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Anxiety & Depression in CIRS: Intro + Disclaimer
01:48 What is CIRS? and why mental health symptoms aren’t your fault
02:49 Top-Down vs Bottom-Up Healing (Therapy vs Treating Inflammation)
05:07 Let's talk biology: brain inflammation, neurotransmitters & mood
06:24 Our stories: suicidal ideation, hypervigilance & tick-borne triggers
10:23 Blood-Brain barrier + limbic system: why you feel stuck in "threat mode"
12:42 The Moldy Doc: snowball effect + hope through treatment
14:38 Support Options: therapy, support groups, limbic retraining + resources
16:48 Wrap-Up: Calming the alarm + Finding the right order of healing for YOU
18:54 Join us at TheCIRSGroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Moldy Doc: https://moldymovie.com/
Untamed Iona's support groups: https://www.untamediona.com/therapy
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and Jacie talk about the prevalence of Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). Despite being relatively unknown, CIRS is not rare; It affects approximately 25% of the population due to genetic susceptibility. They discuss the reasons behind the lack of awareness in conventional medicine, from underdiagnosis and nonspecific symptoms, to larger systemic issues with the medical industry and lack of awareness around mold. This episode highlights who should consider CIRS, the symptoms to look out for, and the steps to diagnosis and treatment. With a mix of personal insights and factual information, this episode aims to arm listeners with the knowledge to make informed decisions about their health. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction and medical disclaimer
00:36 What is Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS)?
01:36 Why don't people take mold seriously?
02:55 Why it's difficult to diagnose CIRS
05:22 Prevalence of CIRS and Genetic Susceptibility
10:11 Exposure sources and triggers for illness
11:22 Common misconceptions and normalization, rationalization
15:24 Who should consider CIRS as a potential diagnosis?
19:31 Conclusion and Resources
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS
What even is CIRS? episode: https://youtu.be/K-rztn5x7_w?si=kbmVdeVXx8mLLWu7
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this informative episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara welcome Dr. Anjali Noble to discuss the complexities of perimenopause, menopause, and Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). Dr. Noble, founder of the Noble Center for Health and Healing, shares insights on perimenopause and menopause, potential treatments and ways to support the transition, and how CIRS may complicate this natural process. Viewers are advised to consult their own healthcare providers for personalized medical advice.
Dr. Noble emphasizes the importance of addressing stress, improving gut health, and testing/tracking before employing hormone replacement strategies. Tune in for a deep dive into menopause, its symptoms, and what to look for in a doctor and treatment in order to manage it effectively and safely. To work with Dr. Noble, visit her website at https://drnoble.com
For more CIRS information and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:56 What is menopause?
04:32 Hormonal changes and symptoms of perimenopause
07:00 What happens with menopause, or when you hit estrogen depletion?
07:50 What are menopause symptoms and how long do they last?
10:50 Definition of perimenopause
11:55 CIRS vs menopause
17:02 Treatment recommendations for dealing with menopause
18:40 Dangers of pellets as a menopause treatment
21:45 Deal with stress first, adrenal support, then look at hormones
25:30 Lifestyle changes: gut health, methylation, detox
30:00 GLP-1s
31:29 How to work with Dr. Noble
34:30 Outro
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
Dr. Anjali Noble's informational website: https://dranjalinoble.com/
Work with Dr. Anjali Noble: https://drnoble.com
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara explain what Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) is, how to get diagnosed, and how to treat it. They cover sources of biotoxin exposure that can make you sick and what kind of binders work best for these toxins. Jacie and Barbara also discuss the importance of genetic predisposition, the diagnostic criteria, and testing you can do, including visual contrast sensitivity tests and relevant blood markers. They'll also cover the Shoemaker Protocol for treatment, and acknowledge that many of us need to treat co-infections and other long term damage for complete recovery. This episode aims to empower listeners with the knowledge to seek appropriate treatment and navigate this chronic illness effectively.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
01:09 What is CIRS?
01:32 Common sources of biotoxins that can make you sick
06:01 How CIRS causes inflammation and multiple symptoms
08:10 Why most doctors miss CIRS
09:47 Common ways CIRS is misdiagnosed
11:00 The CIRS Symptom Clusters, and how to get diagnosed with CIRS
16:25 Treating CIRS
20:07 Side Quests (co-infections, damage repair) in CIRS recovery
22:00 We hope you find healing!
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
Our episode on the Symptom Clusters: https://youtu.be/RyKff3TWBZo
VCS Test: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening
Our episode on which bloodmarkers to test: https://youtu.be/XMtbxLLZzaU
Genetic test for CIRS: https://www.lifeextension.com/lab-testing/itemlc100087/hla-dr-mold-genetic-test
Our CIRS vs Mold Illness episode: https://youtu.be/ZlYoAcV7uUo
Shoemaker Protocol research:
https://www.survivingmold.com/Downloads/Dooley-McMahon_Final_Publication_-_3-30-2020.pdf
https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/CIRS_diagnostic_protocol_final_5_1_2018.pdf
Our episode on the right CIRS Binders: https://youtu.be/KAQfLXuPjFI
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara explore the connection between Hashimoto's disease and chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS). They dive into the importance of early diagnosis, crucial blood tests, and the differences between conventional and functional treatments. The episode also includes personal anecdotes and practical tips for managing thyroid health, touching on topics like diet, stress management, and the significance of tracking symptoms.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and disclaimer
00:26 Continuing our autoimmune series
00:51 Understanding Hashimoto's Disease
02:40 Symptoms and diagnosis of Hashimoto's
07:50 Hashimoto's causes and triggers
12:29 Treatment Options
13:27 Symptom management with lifestyle changes
18:31 Tracking and monitoring your health
21:43 Community Support
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this episode of the CIRS Group podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie dive into the complex topic of working out while dealing with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). They discuss the challenges, benefits, and strategies for maintaining a workout routine despite the debilitating symptoms that CIRS can cause, such as fatigue, joint pain, and hypometabolism. Listeners are advised to consult their healthcare practitioners for personalized advice. Additional insights include using AI for creating custom workout plans, tracking progress, and when to hire a professional to help you. Tune in for practical advice, personal experiences, and motivation to help you navigate your fitness journey alongside CIRS.
00:00 Introduction and disclaimer
01:23 How CIRS affects your ability to exercise
02:32 Benefits of exercise during CIRS treatment
04:36 Slowly ramp up exercise to avoid Push and Crash
07:07 Using AI and professional help for fitness plans
08:15 How Barbara got back into exercise after surgery
10:20 Getting started is the hardest part
12:17 Tracking progress, using apps or AI, and when to hire a coach
16:08 The best workout to do is the one you'll actually do and enjoy!
17:37 Everyone is different!
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS!
Dr. Stuart McGill's website: https://www.backfitpro.com/
Barbara's PT that built her post-surgery workout program: https://www.d1physicaltherapy.com/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and Jacie delve into the distinctions between mold illness and CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome). They clarify the confusion surrounding these terms, which are often used interchangeably online, and emphasize the importance of understanding the Shoemaker Protocol for those genetically predisposed to CIRS. They'll cover how to find out if you have the genetic markers associated with CIRS, how to get properly diagnosed so you don't waste time and money on the wrong treatment, and why generic mold detox methods may not be sufficient for CIRS patients. They'll also discuss the hidden dangers of antifungal agents and the importance of targeting specific biotoxins in treatment. This episode is a valuable resource for those seeking clarity and effective treatment options to heal from chronic illness.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:44 Understanding mold illness vs CIRS
03:12 Why your genetics matter, and how to diagnose CIRS
04:58 Why some people get sick and others don't
06:25 Shoemaker Protocol vs. Mold Detox Protocols
07:00 Pros and Cons with Dr. Neil Nathan or Dr. Jill Cresta protocols
11:09 Importance of accurate testing for diagnosis
13:58 Taking the right binders and treating MARCoNs
16:43 Tracking symptoms, hormones, and bloodwork during treatment
19:28 Azole (antifungal) treatment
22:48 Why we warn people against mainstream mold doctors
23:52 Final Thoughts and Resources
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Genetic test for CIRS: https://www.lifeextension.com/lab-testing/itemlc100087/hla-dr-mold-genetic-test
Our episode on urinary mycotoxin tests: https://youtu.be/qWIIBaMybFA?si=gY6w_JmuuPn1pdOk
MARCoNs test: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kits
Study showing antifungals or -azoles causing brain atrophy (search the text using control + F for 'antifungal' or 'atrophy'): https://www.oatext.com/metabolism-molecular-hypometabolism-and-inflammation-complications-of-proliferative-physiology-include-metabolic-acidosis-pulmonary-hypertension.php
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Join us at https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
Sign up for our next live Q&A webinar: https://thecirsgroup.kit.com/2025ama
It's the last 2025 episode of The CIRS Group podcast! Hosts Jacie and Barbara share their exciting plans for 2026, including upgrades in podcast quality, fun new merchandise, and including more expert-led classes within the membership. They also talk about personal updates, including Barbara's upcoming wedding and health treatments, and Jacie's insights on nervous system regulation. Join the conversation about their goals for the new year by commenting below what YOU want to see in 2026 from TCG. The CIRS Group plans to continue providing valuable resources and support, so thank you for watching and supporting this channel!
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
00:30 Poop talk
01:41 Improved production quality and content!
03:13 Transcripts, Printables, worksheets, and more!
04:19 Merchandise! Want some merch?
05:42 Expert Workshops and CIRS Group membership benefits
07:48 Email newsletters and Q&A webinars
09:35 CIRSx 2026
11:13 Barbara's personal updates and 2026 plans
15:00 Jacie's personal updates and 2026 plans
15:56 Nervous System Regulation insights
17:02 Jacie's word for the year: Stewardship
20:36 Final thoughts and encouragement
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Sign up for our next live Q&A webinar: https://thecirsgroup.kit.com/2025ama
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Please note: we filmed this back in November, and moved some episodes around - any comments about the CIRS Summit are a bit out of date, but you can still watch the replays by visiting https://cirs-summit-2025.heysummit.com/
Sign up to get notified next time we do a live Q&A! https://thecirsgroup.kit.com/2025ama
In this special episode of the CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and Jacie answer a variety of questions during a live, recorded Q&A webinar. Topics discussed include identifying whether you have CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome), the Shoemaker treatment protocol, managing symptoms, dietary changes, and the effectiveness of different binders. They also cover secondary topics like dealing with Lyme disease and tick borne illness, experiencing muscle weakness, and incorporating therapies like cranial sacral and lymphatic drainage for better detox. A must-watch for anyone navigating the complexities of CIRS and seeking expert advice on the path to healing.
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Sign up to get notified next time we do a live Q&A! https://thecirsgroup.kit.com/2025ama
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and Disclaimer
03:01 How do I know if I have CIRS?
07:19 Can I heal on a low dose of welchol?
08:27 Why utilizing a CIRS literate doctor is important
10:00 Tips to poop regularly when taking binders
12:20 How to know when VIP treatment has worked
14:54 Who gets CIRS? What causes CIRS?
16:17 How to manage histamine responses to food
19:43 Addressing Co-Infections: Lyme and Bartonella
24:14 How long does it take to heal?
27:48 Gall Bladder issues in CIRS patients
29:01 MARCoNs Test: Can You Do It Yourself?
29:44 Challenges with binders and intensification or herx reactions
31:56 Binders and The Paper Towel metaphor
33:16 Join the CIRS Group Community
34:37 Addressing full ileostomy concerns
36:37 Muscle weakness and how to build strength
40:51 When to incorporate VIP treatment for neuroinflammation
44:29 Cranial Sacral and Lymphatic Drainage Therapy
50:39 Gut Pain - should I try VIP? Or work with Dr. Lacey
53:51 Final Thoughts and Resources
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
CIRS Summit: https://cirs-summit-2025.heysummit.com/
Find a Shoemaker Certified practitioner or coach: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/list-of-certified-practitioners
https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/surviving-mold-proficiency-partners-diplomates
Interview with Dr. Lacey re: GI issues: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=TjgkHXmG8J9psKRQ
Interview with Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres re: Neuroquant MRIs: https://youtu.be/Lc_LfUeiYTM?si=LtVBCRRicVbVKLgS
Order MARCoNs testing: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kits
Dr. April's website for cranial manipulation: https://www.recoverfrommold.com/
Work with Dr. Lacey on gut issues: https://www.drlacey.org/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Join Jacie and Barbara for a cozy holiday episode of The CIRS Group Podcast as they share their favorite gift ideas for the chronic illness community. From simple stocking stuffers to big-ticket wellness upgrades, they walk through options at every price point so you can find something thoughtful—whether you're shopping on a tight budget or going all-out.
You’ll hear practical picks like Epsom salts and blue-light–blocking glasses, mid-range tools that make daily life easier, and even a few dream splurges like an infrared sauna. They also talk about the gifts that cost nothing at all—acts of service, support, and presence—because those often matter the most.
Settle in and gather inspiration for meaningful gifts that can brighten the season for the CIRS or chronic illness warrior in your life.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Welcome to The CIRS Group Podcast
00:51 – Under $25: Budget-Friendly Gift Ideas
03:12 – $25–$75: Everyday Wellness Upgrades
06:26 – $75–$150: Mid-Tier Health Investments
09:32 – $150–$400: High-End Health Gifts
13:21 – Splurge Gifts: Over $400
15:59 – Non-Monetary Gifts & Acts of Service
17:42 – Closing Thoughts & Holiday Wishes
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com I
nstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Register for The CIRS Summit 2025! It's free! https://cirs-summit-2025.heysummit.com/
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Welcome to another episode of The CIRS Group podcast with Barbara and Jacie! In today's episode, we dive into the details of the upcoming CIRS Summit 2025 happening on December 13th and 14th. The summit will have a great mix of expert interviews on a wide range of topics related to CIRS. From environmental biotoxins and brain health, to legal advice and family dynamics, there is something for everyone. We'll also talk more about how to register for the event, access replays, and contribute to CIRS research. Check out the timestamps to see who's speaking, and register here: https://cirs-summit-2025.heysummit.com/
TIMESTAMPS
00:01 The CIRS Summit 2025
01:20 This year's Summit is new and improved!
02:57 Register for the CIRS Summit
03:39 Summary of all the scheduled talks! and Disclaimer
03:58 Dr Ritchie Shoemaker - Lessons for Tomorrow from Lessons in the Past
04:33 Dr. Jennifer Smith - Complex Family Systems in CIRS
05:26 Max McCord - Diagnosing the Root Cause of Environmental Biotoxins
06:19 Dr. Andrea Jordheim - How to Improve Your Brain’s Cleaning and Repair System in CIRS
07:35 Mindy Mastruserio - Reclaiming Agency in CIRS: Healing the Self Beyond the Protocol
09:10 Dr. Christian Navarro Torres - How the Latest Nasal Swab Testing Can Help You Heal
10:00 Dr. Paula Kruppstadt - A Perspective on CIRS, Autism and PANS/PANDAS from a Functional Medicine Pediatrician
10:58 Dr. Lacey Venanzi - Are you Celiac or just gluten sensitive?
12:04 Julie Helm - From Reset to Regeneration: Bridging the Shoemaker Protocol to the Bredesen Protocol
13:00 Ian Siegel - How Giftedness Becomes a Curse in a Moldy School
13:55 Louise Carder - the Leptin Connection: Satiety, Signaling and Healing
15:00 Dr. Stacey McLure - Understanding the Skin Barrier: Structure, Function and Care
15:49 Ryan Schnack - How to Build A Strong Legal Case for CIRS
16:40 Dr. April Vukelic - Tips for Managing Back and Joint Pain with CIRS
19:20 Justin Carlson - New Tools for Living Safely with CIRS: Mold Map, Find a Mold Doctor and Aerlume
22:25 Final Thoughts and how to watch for free or get the replays
For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Jacie and Barbara welcome Bill Weber, a CIRS-knowledgeable Indoor Environmental Professional. Bill is a senior consultant with Avalar and a board-certified indoor environmental consultant. Bill shares his expertise on mold testing methods, the art and science of interpreting results, and why professional help is crucial for CIRS patients. He discusses his experience inspecting buildings for water damage and intrusion, the importance of hiring a certified IEP, and provides practical tips for dealing with home contents after mold contamination. Whether you're in need of understanding your ERMI or HERTSMI-2 dust testing results, or just want practical advice on making your home as clean and safe as possible, this episode covers it all. Tune in to gain valuable insights and ensure your living environment is safe and healthy.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Work with Bill: https://avelar.net/articles_publications/team/bill-weber/
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:33 Meet Bill Weber: Indoor Environmental Professional
03:20 Bill's favorite testing methods for mold
05:30 Understanding Mold Analysis: ERMI dust tests vs Culture tests
08:30 When to choose an ERMI dust test vs culturing
10:11 Fun fact about the first four mold types on the ERMI
11:50 Why it's so important to hire an IEP for your home
12:54 Context of climate in assessing your home
14:48 Can you interpret your own ERMI without an IEP?
19:06 Actinomycetes bacteria and endotoxin testing
22:11 Tips for collecting dust samples
26:27 Understanding the nuance and context when interpreting the data
31:30 Educating more professionals on remediating properly
34:15 Choosing to clean or throw away personal property
39:09 How to work with Bill Weber
HELPFUL LINKS:
Work with Bill: https://avelar.net/articles_publications/team/bill-weber/
CIRSx Courses for remediators, indoor environmental professionals, and home owners:
Medically Important Remediation for Professionals: https://institute.cirsx.com/course/mir101
Introduction to Medically Important Assessment 101: https://institute.cirsx.com/course/mia101
Deeper Exploration of Medically Important Assessment 102: https://institute.cirsx.com/course/mia102
Bill Weber's CIRSx talk about mold testing: https://vimeo.com/showcase/11385222?video=955676414
Bill Weber and Michael Schrantz's CIRSx talk about inspecting a convent:
Part one: https://vimeo.com/showcase/11385262?video=856185993
Part two: https://vimeo.com/showcase/11385262?video=856244891
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and her guest co-host, Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres, discuss the potential connection between chronic illness and mold exposure, focusing on reality TV star Mikayla Matthews from "The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives." They'll explore Matthews' health journey, discuss potential chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS) symptoms, and highlight the importance of accurate diagnosis and effective treatment (The Shoemaker Protocol). They delve into the scientific foundation of CIRS, the role of genetics, and the significance of environmental triggers. The episode aims to raise awareness about CIRS, offer guidance on diagnosis and treatment options, and share personal insights into managing chronic illness. This is NOT medical advice, please consult a CIRS-literate doctor for diagnosis and treatment. For more information and support, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
00:00 Introduction
01:03 Who we are, and what is Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS)
02:20 Disclaimer and why we are commenting on Mikayla Matthews
03:50 What is The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?
05:00 Trigger Warning, opportunity to raise awareness
05:40 Mikayla Matthews' childhood and history of exposure
07:20 The CIRS and Eczema connection
08:03 Understanding CIRS and its symptoms
10:00 Her father's Parkinson's and the genetic factor in CIRS
13:11 Link between CIRS and neurodegenerative diseases
18:05 How trauma and abuse triggers chronic illness like CIRS
23:10 Mikayla's symptoms: eczema, allergies, mollescum, candida, anxiety, pain, vertigo
28:00 Labwork to order when you have Eczema: a-MSH, VEGF, MMP9
33:20 How to get a CIRS Diagnosis: symptoms and tests
42:09 Why therapies Mikayla Matthews tried but didn't work
45:50 Why urinary mycotoxin tests don't work
49:17 Why specific binders are key to healing from mold illness or CIRS
53:04 How to test your home for mold
57:00 CIRS can allow other infections to take hold
58:00 How to find a doctor to help you heal
59:05 You CAN heal with the right treatment protocol (Shoemaker)
For more information and support, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Work with Dr. Christian Navarro Torres: https://www.cirslab.com/
This episode is a reaction to the podcast interview Mikayla did re: her childhood/history: https://youtu.be/csQJIaNht6A?si=jZyHlzcU3a4cV_bq
HELPFUL LINKS:
How to check if a CIRS diagnosis is the answer to your chronic health issues:
Symptom Clusters: https://www.instagram.com/p/DIsxBShy0bd/
VCS Test: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening
HLA DR Genetic Test: https://www.lifeextension.com/lab-testing/itemlc100087/hla-dr-mold-genetic-test
Dust test your home for mold: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/ermi/
Dust test your home for endotoxins (poop): https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/e-endotoxin/
Dust test your home for actino bacteria: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/actino-test/
Find a Shoemaker certified doctor: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol
Published research to explain CIRS to your doctor: https://www.survivingmold.com/Downloads/Dooley-McMahon_Final_Publication_-_3-30-2020.pdf
Published research on the diagnostic process for CIRS: https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/CIRS_diagnostic_protocol_final_5_1_2018.pdf
What is CIRS?: https://www.thecirsgroup.com/blog/what-is-cirs/
Our "What is CIRS?" podcast episode: https://youtu.be/eqso4R0cQhg
Learn more about the Brain MRI called the NeuroQuant: https://youtu.be/Lc_LfUeiYTM
Join The CIRS Group community: https://www.thecirsgroup.com/membership/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara discuss the unique challenges faced by individuals with chronic illnesses during the holiday season. They delve into the importance of setting boundaries, managing expectations, and prioritizing health to make social events more manageable. The discussion includes practical tips for communicating with family and friends, handling dietary and alcohol restrictions, and developing self-care strategies before and after social gatherings. They also highlight the value of therapy and supportive relationships in navigating this difficult time. Tune in for a compassionate and informative session aimed at making your holidays more enjoyable and stress-free.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
00:50 Therapy to help support you during the season
02:18 Challenges of an invisible illness during the holidays
04:16 Why the holidays and chronic illness are a tough combo
07:10 Set expectations and boundaries
09:03 Practical tips for dietary restrictions
09:54 Tips for leaving early, or declining invitations
12:00 Eat before you go
13:26 Offering alternatives
14:21 Partner and spouse dynamics
16:56 Creating health-supportive traditions
19:15 Coping mechanisms for social anxiety, avoiding drinking
24:33 The Importance of Boundaries
26:23 Community Support
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Welcome to another episode of The CIRS Group podcast! In this episode, hosts Jacie and Barbara welcome Dr. Christian Navarro Torres, a PhD cognitive scientist specialized in cognitive psychology, neuroscience, and language science. They'll cover the latest updates to NeuroQuant, an FDA-approved software used for segmenting brain regions to measure volumes, particularly crucial for diagnosing and treating Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). Dr. Navarro Torres explains the differences between the older and newer versions of NeuroQuant and how this affects CIRS patients. He also highlights how patients can get their NeuroQuant reports converted to the right version, and even generate a NQ report from raw MRI data, which has not been available before now! They will also talk about the importance of the CIRS Research Foundation and the upcoming CIRS Summit. Stay tuned until the end for money-saving tips on getting your own NeuroQuant report!
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIME STAMPS
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
01:35 Meet Dr. Christian Navarro Torres
02:10 NeuroQuants have CHANGED!
03:25 Understanding NeuroQuant
06:30 How to get a NeuroQuant
10:13 NeuroQuant Software Versions - which one do you have?
12:40 How the Surviving Mold report is affected by the NQ version
17:19 Future of NeuroQuant Research
19:36 How you can support CIRS Research
20:57 Practical steps and MONEY saving tips!
28:55 Special package offered for CIRSLab members
How to work with Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres:
thecirslab@gmail.com
https://www.cirslab.com/
Our last NQ episode with Christian: https://youtu.be/aQyU51D7O-c?si=dTTAS-iocn9U-hK_
Our NQ 101 episode: https://youtu.be/4-OozD0P280?si=MafRECeQ6TTAUeuj
The CIRS Research Foundation: https://cirs-research-foundation.org/
The CIRS Summit info is coming soon! Subscribe to make sure you get notified!
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
If you would like to learn more about CIRS, visit https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and Jacie discuss YouTuber Chris Williamson's recent video titled 'It's Time to Talk About My Health,' which details his struggles with chronic health issues despite his connections in the fitness, wellness, and biohacking community. They'll cover his diagnosis of mold illness, lyme, epstein barr and others, his symptoms, the treatments he attempted, and the strong possibility that he may be overlooking the Shoemaker Protocol for treating Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). Many people suffer with CIRS and think they're treating it properly, but unfortunately many doctors are not educated on the most efficient and research-backed approach, so hopefully this episode helps spread more awareness. This is not medical advice, please consult with a doctor - especially a Shoemaker certified practitioner - to decide the best treatment for you.
If you would like to learn more about CIRS, visit https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
Here's the link to the video we're reacting to today: https://youtu.be/IU4D_kjty2k?si=pJTJCkKaWP0wcaSd
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and disclaimer
01:34 Who is Chris Williamson?
03:03 Health challenges hit everyone, even when you're rich and famous
07:00 Chris' symptoms and diagnosis of mold illness, lyme, epstein barr
8:55 Lyme or CIRS? or BOTH?
10:30 What is CIRS?
11:45 What Chris tried but didn't work
13:44 Why the RIGHT binders matter to get better
17:34 The Importance of Proper Diagnosis
18:46 Why we talk about the Shoemaker Protocol
20:42 "You're just stressed, you need rest"
23:44 "You have a million problems until you have one of them"
24:55 A unique male perspective on CIRS
HELPFUL LINKS:
Our "What is CIRS?" episode: https://youtu.be/eqso4R0cQhg?si=20xZ5AdP2tDqL1Q2
Our interview with Dr. Peg re: tick borne illness and CIRS: https://youtu.be/czSjykCdOR4?si=Xc7dhc39rLFE99kZ
Our other episode on treating tick borne illness, including Lyme: https://youtu.be/3XyjE2BJvjM?si=SCf85207ricG2n7c
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie dive into the specifics of ankylosing spondylitis, an autoimmune condition that Jacie personally struggled with. They discuss the genetic aspects tied to the HLA-B27 gene and its role in autoimmune disorders, including ankylosing spondylitis, acute anterior uveitis, reactive arthritis, and inflammatory bowel disease. Jacie shares a detailed account of her rapid symptom progression and how treatment for CIRS (chronic inflammatory response syndrome) brought her significant relief. The episode highlights the overlap between CIRS and autoimmune conditions, emphasizing the importance of addressing environmental toxins for effective treatment.
For more info and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and medical disclaimer
01:24 Understanding HLA-B27 and it's connection to autoimmune conditions
03:29 Jacie's experience with Ankylosing Spondylitis
6:50 America's Sweethearts Dallas Cowboys reference to AS
8:03 The connection of arthritis and eyeballs
8:40 Triggers and progression of Ankylosing Spondylitis
11:42 Treatment and Management for Ankylosing Spondylitis
12:35 Interesting connection to Klebsiella
13:25 How CIRS treatment cured Jacie's AS
16:11 Overlap between HLA-B27 and CIRS
19:00 Conclusion and Encouragement
HELPFUL LINKS:
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more resources and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of the CIRS Group podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie dive into practical tips and resources for maintaining a safe and healthy living or workspace. They cover important aspects including managing humidity levels, choosing a home location, working with landlords, utilizing air purifiers, and regular small particle cleaning. The episode also touches on avoiding environmental issues like endotoxins, actinomycetes, & mold. Please note the importance of consulting with a professional for personalized advice and further assistance. Hopefully these actionable steps help you keep your space safe and healthy!
For more resources and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:26 What to look for in a new location and unit
04:13 Humidity Control Tips
06:22 Leak prevention tips and management
08:45 Air Purifiers and Return Air / HVAC Filters
12:13 Preventing sewer gas leaks (endotoxins, aka poop!)
16:37 Small Particle Cleaning to lower actinos
20:52 Handling Mycotoxins and Mold
23:39 Conclusion and Additional Resources
HELPFUL LINKS!
Our past episode on renting with CIRS: https://youtu.be/ZCjCbxKeYQ0?si=6tfF4ixs5dG0fsI3
Hydrometers on Amazon: https://a.co/d/hVz6Jgb
Leak alarms on amazon: https://a.co/d/0v3oCTT
Leak tray for under sinks: https://a.co/d/dQNnClA
IEP Radio episode w/the owner of Air Oasis air filters: https://youtu.be/Ke2fzV9cv-Q?si=sbERp6gCZ4c-nJDf
Our "You're leaking, now what?" episode: https://youtu.be/yfnTLvfbuv8?si=4nMso-NeFLm2bC1N
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara are joined by Dr. Lacey Venanzi, a functional medicine practitioner who specializes in treating CIRS and gut dysfunction. Dr. Lacey discusses her insights on the gut microbiome, its connection to chronic illnesses, and how the immune system plays a major role. They explore various testing methods for gut health, the implications of common symptoms, and the importance of maintaining good bacteria in the body. Dr. Lacey also shares her strategies for supporting the microbiome and emphasizes the significance of sunlight and proper blue light management for overall health recovery. The session is filled with valuable information for anyone struggling with gut health issues, offering practical steps and considerations for both patients and practitioners.
To work with Dr. Lacey Venanzi, visit https://www.drlacey.org/
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and disclaimer
01:08 Start of the interview with Dr. Lacey Interview
02:48 Why is gut dysbiosis so common with CIRS?
03:18 Immune Dysregulation and Gut Health
05:22 Problems with culture-based gut tests
08:50 Comparing the gut tests and Dr. Lacey's favorites
10:10 Reasons you may want a culturing test
11:00 Intestinal Permeability Test
13:49 When should you test your gut health?
15:45 The misconceptions about MCAS and histamine issues
17:28 The issue with normalizing common GI problems
20:00 Sleep Apnea, hormone imbalances, and testing for co-infections
23:00 Blue Light as a carcinogen
23:48 Raising MSH & the Importance of Sunlight
27:52 What does a healthy GI system even look like?
31:07 Signs of Parasites: cravings and always being hungry
32:49 How to Work with Dr. Lacey
34:01 Additional resources for learning about gut health
34:40 Preserving the host (the patient) as a method to eliminate the infection
37:20 Jacie's experience with AS and reasonable expectations for healing
43:00 The dangers of essential oils
45:31 HLA Disorders and CIRS
46:28 Don't assume: Test!
HELPFUL LINKS!
To work with Dr. Lacey Venanzi, visit https://www.drlacey.org/
Our CIRSx 2025 recap of Dr. Lacey's talk: https://youtu.be/hqqluZl28TY?si=s_M3xivsMhUmwmMJ&t=1403
Dr. Lacey's favorite gut tests (DNA sequencing tests) below:
Nirvana Biome: https://www.nirvanabiome.com/
Tiny Health: https://www.tinyhealth.com/
Ombre: https://www.ombrelab.com/products/ombre-gut-health-test
Resource Dr. Lacey recommended: https://www.probioticadvisor.com/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara dive into the autoimmune condition known as Alopecia Areata. You may be familiar with it because of Jada Pinkett Smith (and the slap heard round the world) or more recently because of Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader Armani Latimer's brave story on the second season of the Netflix docuseries, America's Sweethearts. Today, we'll cover those stories and Barbara will share her journey with the condition as well. They'll also explore what Alopecia Areata is, as well as its triggers, symptoms, and the connection to Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). They also touch on treatment options, genetic predispositions, and related autoimmune conditions. Tune in to learn more about managing this rare condition and how it may relate to other health issues.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Welcome to The CIRS Group Podcast
00:24 Introduction and medical disclaimer
00:48 Barbara's Personal Experience with Alopecia
02:11 Alopecia in the Media
05:24 What is Alopecia Areata?
07:15 Barbara's alopecia areata timeline
08:56 Causes and Triggers of Alopecia
10:50 What Alopecia Areata is NOT
12:06 Prevalence and levels of severity of Alopecia
14:40 Risk factors for Alopecia
16:48 Treatment Options for Alopecia
19:48 Connecting autoimmune illnesses and CIRS
22:29 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie delve into the crucial topic of detox pathways, particularly for those of us dealing with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). They discuss the body's natural mechanisms for eliminating toxins and why CIRS patients may need extra support to aid these processes. They'll cover the key organs involved such as the liver, kidneys, lungs, skin, and lymphatic system, as well as the importance of pooping! The hosts offer practical advice including lifestyle changes, proper hydration, sleep tips, and specific supplement recommendations like B vitamins, magnesium, glycine, and NAC. They'll also cover the role of diet and fasting in supporting detox pathways. Remember, this is not medical advice! Always consult healthcare professionals before making any changes. It is so important to support the body's natural detox functions without overwhelming them.
For more info and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Introduction and medical disclaimer
01:35 What are the body's detox pathways
03:48 Common reasons you're not detoxing properly
05:50 How supporting detox can help you heal
07:13 Practical tips to support your detox pathways
13:24 Supplements that help you detox
18:20 Diet, nutrition and fasting to support your detox pathways
22:54 Why binders like charcoal and clay aren't ideal when you're treating CIRS
24:10 Conclusion and additional resources
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
We are BACK! In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara return from a brief hiatus. Why were they gone? Barbara got surgery and made it through! She'll give a detailed update on her recovery process, including the challenges she faced, tips for post-surgery care, and what kind of support she needed to heal. They'll also cover exciting upcoming events for the CIRS Group, including the next CIRS SUMMIT, featuring expert talks on various CIRS-related health and environmental topics. Join them for insights, personal stories, and a preview of future content!
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Welcome Back to The CIRS Group Podcast
0:34 Barbara had surgery!
01:30 Medical Disclaimer
01:52 Barbara's experience in the hospital
02:46 Advocate for yourself
05:00 Get lots of opinions
05:40 Meal Prepping and medical devices
07:58 Post-Surgery challenges
10:00 Nerve Pain is different
11:48 Spine fusion ain't so bad
15:01 Upcoming Events and Exciting Announcements
18:08 Future Podcast Guests and Topics
19:19 Join the CIRS Group Community
HELPFUL LINKS
Some products Barbara purchased to help with recovery:
Grabber Reacher: https://a.co/d/8zegGQm
Toilet Aid Wiping Tool: https://a.co/d/1r01xSB
Portable Bidet: https://a.co/d/aLfnXP8
Sock Aid: https://a.co/d/eR8Sase
Shower scrubber: https://a.co/d/h2QikaC
Wearable ice pack: https://a.co/d/cxHxAFi
Occupational Therapist on YouTube for more recovery tips and tricks: https://www.youtube.com/@EquipMeOT
The CIRS Summit: https://thecirssummit.com/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of the CIRS Group podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie share personal updates on their health and living situations. Jacie recounts her move from Denver to Utah, explaining the reasons behind the move, the challenges she faced, and the improvements in her social life and environment. We hope you take away practical tips for cleaning and settling into a new place while dealing with CIRS. Barbara gives an update on her ongoing health journey, discussing her recent diagnosis of spondylolisthesis, why she is moving forward with back surgery, and her experience with testing for tick-borne illnesses. They emphasize the importance of seeking out personalized care and educating yourself to help you manage health conditions related to CIRS.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and Disclaimer
00:53 Jacie moved to Utah!
02:50 Jacie's tips for moving with CIRS
04:10 How Jacie chose furniture for her new space
06:25 Choosing where to live, and air quality considerations
10:45 Testing apartments before moving in, and again after
16:00 How to develop your mold Spidey senses
19:00 Barbara's health stalled, so she investigated
20:06 Tick illness provocation and getting a spine check-up
26:50 How Barbara got tested for tick borne illness
28:50 How Barbara chose to move forward with spine surgery
35:51 How to avoid incorrect diagnoses - and other tips
HELPFUL LINKS:
Barbara's CIRS doctor: https://www.untamediona.com/
Barbara's CIRS and tick borne literate doctor: https://remedynaturalhealth.com/
Barbara's CIRS literate back specialist: https://www.recoverfrommold.com/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Jacie and Barbara discuss how to create an effective CIRS action plan. This is a step by step guide to help you manage and streamline your CIRS healing journey, which is often complicated and stressful. They'll cover why having an action plan is crucial, especially for those newly diagnosed or suspecting CIRS, and how it can help you avoid analysis paralysis. If you're feeling overwhelmed by your CIRS diagnosis, this episode offers a clear roadmap to help you move forward.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
00:48 Why you need an Action Plan for your healing journey
02:21 How to decide what to do first: Consider finances and symptoms
04:27 How a CIRS health coach can help you plan
06:00 Establish context, limitations, and goals
08:30 Where you're at in the protocol, and what will have the biggest impact
12:02 Be open minded about adjusting goals
15:06 Write down your goals to get organized
17:50 Recap and extra tips for your healing journey
HELPFUL LINKS!
Find a CIRS health coach: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/surviving-mold-proficiency-partners-diplomates
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit https://www.thecirsgroup.com/membership/
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara discuss various adjunct therapies they find beneficial to use alongside the Shoemaker Protocol. They dig into anti-inflammatory diets, the importance of electrolytes, supplements, the benefits of sunshine and grounding, and detox techniques like saunas and hot baths. They also highlight the importance of working with trauma-informed therapists, doing limbic retraining, and maintaining positive connections with friends, family, pets, and/or supportive online communities. For more information and support, visit us at https://www.thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
0:38 Adjusting diet to lower inflammation
5:58 Electrolytes
8:13 Checking vitamin levels and supplementing
10:27 Sunshine, fresh air, and grounding
13:05 Support your detoxing pathways
13:54 Therapy and recovering from trauma
20:24 Limbic Retraining, Gratitude journaling
22:38 The importance of connection
24:40 Community Resources
HELPFUL LINKS:
Redmond's Relyte: https://redmond.life/pages/re-lyte
LMNT's recipe at home: https://science.drinklmnt.com/electrolytes/best-homemade-electrolyte-drink-for-dehydration
CIRS knowledgeable therapists:
Brenda Stewart, LMHC, NCC, CTH with Untamed Iona: https://www.untamediona.com/therapy
Mindy Mastruserio at Healing Connection Counseling: https://healingconnectioncounseling.org/
Our episode on trauma and CIRS: https://youtu.be/i6QD0eQqELw?si=RmhC7Ocm3AhGmfaH
Gratitude app: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/morning-gratitude-journal/id1455594587
CIRS Communities:
The CIRS Group! https://www.thecirsgroup.com/membership/
Jenny Johnson's group: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collective
Christian Navarro-Torres' group: https://www.cirslab.com/
Meditation Community: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so/c/practice-portal-home/cirs-only-package
Breathwork Community: https://mokshaembodied.com/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Welcome to another episode of The CIRS Group podcast with Barbara and Jacie! In this episode, we share our top book recommendations that have significantly contributed to our health and healing journeys. Whether you're dealing with CIRS, chronic illness, mental health struggles, or just looking to expand your knowledge, we've got you covered. We discuss books on CIRS-specific guidance, mental health, relationships, diet and nutrition, and managing chronic pain. We hope you gain some great tips to help you self-advocate and make informed decisions for your health. Links to all the books mentioned are listed below! (no affiliate links, we're lazy lol).
For more information and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
01:08 Childhood memories and love for books
02:01 Practical Books for CIRS Patients
04:30 Environment and remediation books
08:03 Mental Health books
13:17 Books to help with ADHD symptoms
15:57 Books to help with romantic relationships and intimacy
17:34 Diet and Nutrition Books
21:01 Chronic Pain and back health
23:24 Conclusion
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
LINKS TO BOOKS MENTIONED:
PRACTICAL BOOKS, CIRS RELATED
Mold Controlled: A Guide to Finding, Fixing, Preventing, and Getting Help with Mold Problems in Homes: https://a.co/d/4btLJWx
By John Banta
Prescriptions for a Healthy House: https://a.co/d/1zbkonM
By John Banta, Paula Baker-Laporte
Mold Illness: Surviving and Thriving: https://a.co/d/gSm0fW0
By Paula Vetter, Laurie Rossi, Cindy Edwards
The 30-day Carnivore Boot Camp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
By Jacie Gregory
MENTAL HEALTH BOOKS
The Joy Plan: How I Took 30 Days to Stop Worrying, Quit Complaining, and Find Ridiculous Happiness: https://a.co/d/dI4KzYd
By Kaia Roman
The Body Keeps the Score: https://a.co/d/j20RXWy
by Bessel van der Kolk
How to ADHD: An Insider's Guide to Working with Your Brain (Not Against It): https://a.co/d/blAhgLB
By Jessica McCabe, check out her youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@HowtoADHD
ADHD 2.0: New Science and Essential Strategies for Thriving with Distraction--from Childhood through Adulthood: https://a.co/d/djFYNll
By Edward M. Hallowell and John J. Ratey
Delivered From Distraction: Getting the Most Out of Life with Attention Deficit Disorder: https://a.co/d/9BoPw5g
By Edward M. Hallowell and John J. Ratey
RELATIONSHIP HELP
Come As You Are: Revised and Updated: The Surprising New Science That Will Transform Your Sex Life: https://a.co/d/dVH2c9m
Come Together: The Science (and Art!) of Creating Lasting Sexual Connections: https://a.co/d/gZE4MPi
both by Emily Nagoski
PHYSICAL PAIN BOOKS
The Back Mechanic: https://a.co/d/a7DFQCE
By Stuart McGill
DIET AND NUTRITION
Gut and Physiology Syndrome (GAPS): Natural Treatment for Allergies, Autoimmune Illness, Arthritis, Gut Problems, Fatigue, Hormonal Problems, Neurological Disease and More: https://a.co/d/hryn8Px
By Natasha Campbell McBride
Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats: https://a.co/d/dYfULwO
By Sally Fallon
Toxic Superfoods: How Oxalate Overload Is Making You Sick--and How to Get Better: https://a.co/d/i0Ejr40
By Sally K. Norton
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In today's episode of The CIRS Group podcast, we will dive into the intricacies of managing life as a CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome) patient. We will cover timing binder doses, the importance of getting sun and fresh air, how to manage the cleaning schedule, and lots more. As always, consult your Shoemaker Certified Practitioner before implementing any changes to your treatment plan. None of this should be considered medical advice. We hope this episode helps you improve the day-to-day experience of living with CIRS. For more info and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:18 First thing: take your binder
1:54 Why work with a Shoemaker Certified provider or Proficiency Partner
2:18 Why have fat or fiber with binders?
3:00 How long to wait to take supplements and why
5:07 Cleaning tips and tricks
6:05 Get some sun and fresh air
6:53 Shift or move your iAdapt air purifier
7:42 How to handle the rest of your binder doses
9:20 Home maintenance to avoid leaks and water damage
10:57 Check in with your CIRS coach or community
12:25 Changing your bedding, track your symptoms before bed
14:55 Sleep tips!
15:57 This was a perfect CIRS day, but you don't have to be perfect to heal
17:55 When to utilize a CIRS Coach
18:38 Progress over Perfect
HELPFUL LINKS:
Our episode on binders: https://youtu.be/KAQfLXuPjFI?si=_TqJ7_1yk5o6VvN8
Our episode on binder timing: https://youtu.be/hrTUMDfDpIY?si=zbgMmN72hbPd1APB
Leak detectors:
Wifi enabled: https://a.co/d/4muXdkp
non-wifi: https://a.co/d/5tw0cvZ
Under-sink mats: https://a.co/d/9MFcdrd
How to find a Proficiency Partner CIRS Coach: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/surviving-mold-proficiency-partners-diplomates
Or join us over at The CIRS Group! https://thecirsgroup.com
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit us over at https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
Join us in today's episode of The CIRS Group Podcast as we discuss the NeuroQuant, a specialized brain MRI crucial for those with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). Learn why this scan is so important, how it helps track brain health, and its application in diagnosing conditions like dementia. Get tips on how to prepare for your NeuroQuant MRI, and be sure you get the right scan with the right software. Note: This video is for informational purposes only and does not constitute medical advice.
For more information and support, visit us over at https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
01:06 How CIRS affects the brain with inflammation and atrophy
02:00 How the NeuroQuant can diagnose neurodegeneration
03:31 Interpreting NeuroQuant results
04:54 When and why should you get a NeuroQuant?
08:15 NeuroQuant vs. the GENIE Test
09:17 Tips for getting an MRI, Barbara and Jacie's experience
15:01 NeuroQuant software versions and conversion issue
HELPFUL LINKS:
Our episode with Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres all about the NeuroQuant: https://youtu.be/aQyU51D7O-c
Book a consultation with Christian: https://consult-christian.as.me/schedule/a89e8b00
Surviving Mold’s list of NQ locations: https://www.survivingmold.com/resources-for-patients/diagnosis/neuroquant/neuroquant-locations/locations-currently-offering-neuroquant
Additionally, here are the four companies that should be able to do NeuroQuant MRI:
SimonMed Imaging
RAYUS Radiology
US Radiology Specialists
Envision Radiology
Once you select a location, call to find out:
1. Their ability to apply the NeuroQuant Protocol to an MRI without contrast
2. Are they covered by your insurance? If not, what is the out-of-pocket cost for the test?
You’ll then ask your doctor to send the order to them directly on your behalf.
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit us over at https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
Today, we're concluding our CIRSx 2025 recap, this time focusing on environmental topics and practical advice for maintaining a healthy home as a CIRS patient. We'll cover remediation planning, small particle cleaning, affordable housing for CIRS patients, and new testing methods for mold detection. Key speakers such as Brandon Apple, Ming Dooley, Michael Schrantz, Derrick Denis, and Bill Weber provide valuable insights on topics like HVAC inspection, sewer gas issues, and culturing molds. Tune in to get essential tips on home maintenance, mold remediation, and new developments in indoor air quality analysis. Let us know what you think in the comments!
For more information and support, visit us over at https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and Overview
01:22 Successful Building Remediation with Clarity, Accountability and Sequencing: A Case Study with Brandon Apple
04:31 My Very Own Sirewall Part 2: The Adventure Continues with Ming Dooley, DACM
07:09 MAGIS Home Building Company
09:00 Microbial Growth Where You Least Expect with Greg Weatherman, CMC
11:01 Health Effects of Sewer Gas with Derrick Denis , CIEC, CIAQP, CAC
17:24 Revolution in the Analysis of Indoor Air Quality: Water Vapor as a Carrier of Toxic Substances with Associate Professor Kirsi Vaali, PhD
22:34 Flexin' the Flow: Your Guide into HVAC Inspection & Cleaning with Michael Schrantz, CIEC, CMI
28:40 Culturing: Analyzing Dust for Viable Mold with Bill Weber, GC, CR, CMRS, CIEC
33:01 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
HELPFUL LINKS:
Brandon Apple's website: https://www.moldsci.com/about-us/our-team/brandon-apple
Ming Dooley's contact info: ming@holisticresonancecenter.com
MAGIS website: https://www.magisdevelopments.com/
Greg Weatherman's website: https://www.survivingremediation.com/one-on-one-with-greg
Derrick Denis' website: https://www.csceng.com/
Kirsi Vaali's info: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kirsi-Vaali
Michael Schrantz' website: https://environmentalanalytics.net/
Bill Weber's website: https://avelar.net/articles_publications/team/bill-weber/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit our NEW WEBSITE! https://www.thecirsgroup.com
Today we are continuing our recap of the talks we heard at CIRSx 2025, and specifically we will be covering the legal and psychological topics. Here are the talks we will be recapping:
CIRS Research Committee Update: An Update on the CIRS Research with Glenn DiTulio
A Lawyer's Shared Experience as a CIRS Patient, Lawyer and the Legal Future of CIRS with Ryan Schnack, Esq.
The Psychological Journey of CIRS Recovery: Rediscovering Agency and Purpose on the Healing Path with Ryan J. Holsapple, PhD
Using Data to Restore Truth in the Courtroom with Dr. Scott McMahon
Fight for Your Right to Practice with Dr. Lauren Sparks, DNP, CNP, APRN
Complex Family Systems in CIRS with Dr. Jennifer Lynn Smith
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
00:40 The CIRS Research Committee by Glenn DiTulio
02:47 A Lawyer's experience with CIRS by Ryan Schnack, Esq.
08:56 A husband's story of supporting his wife through CIRS by Ryan Holsapple, PhD
13:21 Published Research to support CIRS in legal battles by Dr. Scott McMahon
16:47 Fight for your right to practice by Dr. Lauren Sparks
21:15 Complex Family Systems in CIRS with Dr. Jennifer Lynn Smith
24:32 Conclusion and Next Episode Preview
Helpful Links/Info:
Official CIRSx website: https://www.cirsx.com/
CIRS Research Foundation: https://cirs-research-foundation.org/
Email Glenn about the CIRS Research Foundation's work: glenn@regenixhealing.com
Melanie Pensak's website: https://www.melaniepensak.com/
Ryan Schanck, Esq.'s website: https://www.ryanschnacklaw.com/
Codes to use so CIRS symptoms are taken seriously in legal situations:
277.120: Contact with toxic exposure
R65.10: Chronic Inflammation
R65.11: Systemic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (SIRS)
M35.81: COVID- multi system inflammatory response syndrome
Ryan Holsapple , PhD's website: https://www.centerforcreativechoice.com/
Dr. Scott McMahon's website: https://scottmcmahon.doctor/
Dr. Lauren Sparks' website: https://www.untamediona.com/
Dr. Jennifer Lynn Smith's website: https://www.silvertreewellness.com/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit us at our NEW WEBSITE! https://www.thecirsgroup.com
This week, we are continuing our recap of the CIRSx 2025 conference! Today, we are focusing on the treatment talks:
Understanding the Pitfalls of Tick Borne Testing with Christian Navarro Torres, PhD, CIRS Lab
Finding the Tick-Borne Needle in the Haystack: Tick Borne Infections in CIRS Patients with Peg DiTulio, DNP, APRN
Diagnosing Lyme and Co-infections: An Investigation of the Availability, Diversity and Validity of the Current Testing with Dr. Laura Varga, DAOM
Air Oasis EdTalk with Brad Baxter, COO
A Unifying Theory of Neurodegeneration with Dr. Dale Bredesen
The Actinobacteria Reduction Study: Making Life Easier for the CIRS Community with Eric Dorninger, ND, LAc
Brain Injury in CIRS: From Specific Causation to a Unique Transcriptomic Fingerprint in Parkinson's with Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker
The Principles of Body Typing as a Critical Tool for CIRS Success with Erin Livers , BA, ICNT
Evidence-based Diagnoses and Strategies for the CIRS Microbiome with Dr. Lacey Venazi
For more information and support, visit us at our NEW WEBSITE! https://www.thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and disclaimer
00:45 Tick-Borne testing insights by Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres, Dr. Peg DiTulio, Dr. Laura Varga
09:02 AirOasis ED Talk by Brad Baxter
11:19 Dr. Dale Bredesen's Keynote on Alzheimer's and Neurodegeneration
15:46 Actinobacteria Reduction Study by Dr. Eric Dorninger
18:20 Dr. Shoemaker's Talk on Parkinson's Research
20:45 Principles of Body Typing for Nutrition by Nutritionist Erin Livers
23:23 CIRS and the Gut Microbiome by Dr. Lacey Venazi
27:41 Conclusion and Additional Resources
Helpful links/info:
CIRSx website: https://www.cirsx.com/
Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres' website: https://www.cirslab.com/
Dr. Peg DiTulio's website: https://regenixhealing.com/
Dr. Laura Varga: https://www.instagram.com/thejupiterapproach/ or email her at TheJupiterApproach@gmail.com
Air Oasis website: https://www.airoasis.com/
Dr. Dale Bredesen's website: https://www.apollohealthco.com/dr-bredesen/
The Flow Free game Jacie plays: https://www.bgames.com/game/flow-free-online/
Our last CIRSx recap episode: https://youtu.be/0aLD_1ixWXU?si=5-DxFVxgy7dleux3
Dr. Eric Dorninger's website: https://drdorninger.com/
Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker's website: https://www.survivingmold.com/
Erin Livers' website: https://foodasnourishment.com/
Dr. Abravanel's Body Type Diet and Lifetime Nutrition Plan: https://a.co/d/g6Z1bP7
Dr. Lacey Venazi's website: https://www.drlacey.org/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit us at our NEW website! https://www.thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and Jacie reflect on their experience at the CIRSx 2025 conference in Tempe, AZ. They discuss highlights from the event, including impactful talks on tick-borne illnesses, brain health with Dr. Dale Bredesen, and insights on the gut microbiome by Dr. Lacey. They'll also discuss their own talk at the conference and how travel can be tough on a CIRS patient. For more information and support, visit us at our NEW website! https://www.thecirsgroup.com
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction and disclaimer
00:33 CIRSx 2025 Highlights
02:07 Proficiency Partner Program Changes
04:13 Dr. Shoemaker's Triumphant Return
05:18 Unexpected Shoey Award
07:14 Barbara and Jacie's Talk at CIRSx
07:48 Jacie's Health Scare
13:08 The Takeaways from our Talk
17:12 Acknowledging the Challenges of CIRS Practitioners
18:13 Validating Your Decision to Stay Home
18:57 Managing Chronic Illness and Exposure
21:42 Travel and Health Management Strategies
25:24 Conference Highlights and Talks
Check out our episode on Jacie's upcoming move (renter / moving tips) : https://youtu.be/ZCjCbxKeYQ0?si=-yuW1mu6UDJ5I3fl
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of the CIRS Group podcast, Jacie and Barbara delve into what exactly Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome or CIRS looks like. CIRS manifests in various ways depending on the individual and it's important to recognize the symptoms. The episode covers the genetic aspect of CIRS, the myriad of symptoms it can cause, and its potential connection to autoimmune conditions. They also emphasize the importance of proper diagnosis and treatment, advocating for the prioritization of addressing root causes over mere symptom management. For more info and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
00:00 Introduction and Prepping for CIRSx
01:10 What is CIRS?
01:38 Symptoms and CIRS Diagnosis
02:49 Personal Experiences with CIRS
04:26 CIRS and Autoimmune Conditions
05:25 Conventional Medicine vs. CIRS Treatment
07:50 Common Misdiagnoses
09:18 The Impact of CIRS on Daily Life
12:14 Conclusion and Community Support
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and Jacie delve into the complexities of Lyme disease and other tick-borne illnesses, and how often these occur among CIRS patients. It also happens to be Lyme Disease Awareness Month! They'll cover important information about tick borne symptoms, testing methods, and treatment approaches.
Common tick borne illnesses include:
- Lyme disease, often caused by Borrelia burgdorferi
- Tick-Borne Relapsing Fever (TBRF)
- Bartonella includes, but is not limited to, Cat Scratch Disease (CSD) and Trench Fever
- Babesia, causing babesiosis
- Rickettsia, causing rickettsiosis
- Ehrlichiosis
- Anaplasmosis
Barbara will also share her personal experience with tick-borne illness testing. Additionally, they discuss when to consider testing for Lyme and tick-borne illness, the role of conventional and herbal treatments, and offer practical advice for those seeking medical support. Tune in to learn more and get actionable steps to aid your healing journey. For more information and support, visit us over at https://thecirsgroup.com
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
01:25 Why CIRS and chronic Tick-Borne Illnesses can happen
03:00 Symptoms of acute and chronic tick borne illness
4:06 Lyme Disease cause and symptoms
05:56 Bartonella or Cat Scratch Fever
7:15 Babesia cause and symptoms
7:47 Other tick borne infections
8:30 Why tick borne illness can come up later in your treatment
9:55 How do you get tick borne illness?
11:55 Who is at risk for getting tick borne illnesses?
13:20 How do you test for Tick-Borne Illnesses?
18:32 Barbara's experience with testing for tick borne illnesses
23:36 When to Consider Testing and Treatment
28:25 Conclusion and join us at TheCIRSGroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
Our interview with Dr. Peg re: tick borne treatment: https://youtu.be/czSjykCdOR4?si=d_KlC1KMM0rjBEo7
Tick Borne testing options discussed:
https://igenex.com/
https://www.mdlab.com/testing/vector-borne/
Labs that will handle special tick blood tests:
Any Lab Tests Now: https://www.anylabtestnow.com/
Clinical Pathology Laboratories: https://www.cpllabs.com/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Jacie and Barbara get into dust testing for mold, discussing personal experiences and sharing expert insights. They highlight different testing methods, including why MSQ-PCR testing is better than other methods, and when to use the ERMI vs the HERSMI-2 test. They'll explain why dust testing is generally more reliable than air sampling. They'll also go over how to do dust collection properly and how to interpret mold test results. Most importantly: Jacie and Barbara recommend working with an Indoor Environmental Professional (IEP) to get a comprehensive understanding of your environment and how to properly remediate. None of this is medical advice: always consult your doctor and IEP before making any changes to your treatment plan. For more info and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
00:00 Introduction to Dust Testing
00:49 Different Methods of Mold Testing
02:08 Importance of MSQPCR Testing
02:52 Understanding Mold Species and Air Sampling
05:36 HERTSMI-2 and ERMI Tests
06:54 Additional Tests: Actino and Endotoxins
09:06 When to Test Your Environment
13:14 How to Properly Collect Dust Samples
22:01 Interpreting Your Test Results
24:40 Conclusion and Resources
HELPFUL LINKS:
Science behind mold testing: CIRSx talk by Bill Weber: https://vimeo.com/showcase/11385222/video/955676414
Sequencing of remediation: CIRSx talk by Brandon Apple: https://vimeo.com/showcase/11385222/video/955676522
ERMI test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/ermi/
HERTSMI-2 test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/hertsmi-2/
Our Endotoxin episode: https://youtu.be/O0iKndNzfYA?si=Fe6dJQmF4ZZoutuD
Our Actino episode: https://youtu.be/q-KW5ZXUHVM?si=OOdQp6_cgd84wVQ2
Our interview with Michael Schrantz on hiring an IEP: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=DsFN5k9SL3qWZMdw
Our GENIE episode: https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=1B3MIykrvavbbqc6
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
In this episode of The CIRS Group Podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie dig into which binders ACTUALLY WORK for Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) patients. They explain what binders are, how they help in detoxifying the body, and why they are essential for those with a genetic predisposition to CIRS. The episode details the intricacies of the Shoemaker protocol, the various types of binders such as cholestyramine, Welchol, and MycoBind, and their effectiveness. They'll also talk about generic binders like charcoal and clay and why they may not work to successfully treat illness from biotoxins. They also discuss how to properly take binders, manage side effects, and track progress through symptom tracking and blood work analysis. This episode aims to provide valuable insights and practical advice for CIRS patients while stressing the importance of consulting with a certified practitioner for appropriate medical guidance. Join the hosts in demystifying the world of binders and learn how to effectively manage your health journey with CIRS.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction to the CIRS Group Podcast
00:50 What are binders?
03:49 Why Shoemaker endorsed binders are best
04:53 How to choose the Right Binder
10:34 How to Take Binders Effectively
15:52 Tracking Progress and Final Thoughts
HELPFUL LINKS
Research showing -azoles potentially causing brain atrophy:
https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/TDM_metabolism_9_24_2020.pdf
https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/MRA_2_25_21_FINAL_Health_Risk_Assessments_from_Water_Damaged_Buildings_2_.pdf
https://www.survivingmold.com/docs/BIBLIO_FUNGICIDE_RESISTANCE_MECHANSIMS_01_09_10.pdf
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10024029/
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
Welcome to another episode of the CIRS Group podcast with Jacie and Barbara! In this episode, we delve into nutrition strategies to support healing from Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). We'll tackle the importance of personalized diets, the role of a nutrition coach versus a nutritionist, and guidelines from the Shoemaker Protocol. Key topics include the benefits of a carnivore diet, the challenges of leptin resistance, and addressing issues like inflammation, histamine/MCAS, and food sensitivities. We'll also touch on the complexities of gut health, vitamin deficiencies, and adapting dietary strategies based on individual needs. Remember, none of this is medical advice, and it's crucial to consult your own healthcare provider before making any dietary changes. For more information and support, visit us at https://thecirsgroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
00:57 Understanding Nutrition for CIRS
02:33 Shoemaker's Recommendations
04:01 Exploring the Carnivore Diet
09:25 Histamine and Gluten Considerations
12:57 GI Health and Vitamin Deficiencies
19:57 Leptin Resistance and Final Thoughts
Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a multi-system, multi-symptom illness that affects 24% of the population. Today, we are discussing the most common symptoms, as well as lesser known issues that many CIRS patients endure before they get treated. Healing is possible! For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
01:09 The Symptom Clusters and how CIRS is diagnosed
03:55 Identifying symptoms in yourself
07:16 Common but lesser known symptoms
11:24 Archetypes in CIRS Patients
14:57 Diagnoses that may really mean CIRS
25:14 Join us at TheCIRSGroup.com!
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Other CIRS Support Communities:
CIRS Lab: https://cirslab.com
Jenny Johnson’s group: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collective
Melanie Pensak’s Meditation for CIRS community: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for health and business tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Book a CIRS coaching call with Barbara: https://calendly.com/actlikebarbara/cirs-coaching
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie welcome the OG CIRS coach and patient advocate, Jenny Johnson. As a board-certified health coach and founder of Simplified Wellness Designs, LLC, Jenny has helped countless CIRS clients navigate their health journey. We’ll hear about Jenny's personal battle and recovery from CIRS, her insights into effective treatment strategies, and practical advice for maintaining health post-recovery. Jenny will also share about how you can work with her: one-on-one coaching, consulting services, and her 'Equipped to Overcome CIRS' online course. Whether you're newly diagnosed or well into your CIRS journey, this episode is packed with valuable information and hope from one of the leading experts in the field.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:06 Meet Jenny Johnson: The OG CIRS Health Coach
02:15 Jenny's Personal Journey with CIRS
04:33 Family's Recovery Stories
09:18 Life Post-Protocol: Managing and Thriving
16:35 Advice for Those Overwhelmed by CIRS
18:39 The Role of Coaching in CIRS Recovery
19:44 Jenny's Services and Offerings
27:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Jenny Johnson's links:
Website: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/
CIRS Community, Courses and Group Coaching: https://cirshealingcollective.mn.co/share/hCQ3hTjDCb1f1QZQ?utm_source=manual
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, please visit https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Jacie and Barbara dive into the complexities of renting and moving while living with CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome). They discuss the importance of consulting with IEPs (Indoor Environmental Professionals), choosing the right location, conducting thorough inspections, and the vital steps of decontaminating belongings with small particle cleaning before moving in. The episode also provides strategies for getting out of a bad lease if the living conditions are not up to CIRS patient standards. We hope this provides valuable insight and practical tips to ensure a safe and healthy living environment as you heal from CIRS!
00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer
01:23 Choosing the Right Location
03:24 Apartment Hunting Tips
06:24 Testing the Unit
10:41 Moving In and Cleaning
15:14 Dealing with Contaminated Items
16:46 Getting Out of a Bad Lease
20:15 Final Thoughts and Resources
Our episode with Kendra Seymour re: how to conduct your own home inspection: https://youtu.be/zmt9e42LLac?si=LYw8ndskD5GhX96t
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for health and business tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Book a CIRS coaching call with Barbara: https://calendly.com/actlikebarbara/cirs-coaching
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Sign up for updates and our next webinar! https://webinar.thecirsgroup.com/
In this episode of The CIRS Group Podcast, hosts Barbara and Jacie dive into the shortcomings of conventional Western medicine, particularly for those suffering from chronic illnesses and autoimmune diseases.
We share personal stories about the inadequacies we've faced, the importance of finding doctors who can address root causes, and how to advocate for your health. We cover why a team approach, involving proficiency partners and specialist doctors, is crucial for effective treatment and healing. The conversation is grounded in their experiences with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS), highlighting the necessity of holistic, personalized care.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:58 Personal Experiences with Conventional Medicine
02:54 Challenges with Conventional Medical Appointments
06:10 The Importance of Holistic and Functional Medicine
13:47 Navigating the Healthcare System and Self-Advocacy
17:26 Building Your Healthcare Team
24:37 Final Thoughts and Resources
HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED:
List of certified CIRS practitioners: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/list-of-certified-practitioners
List of CIRS Proficiency Partners: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/surviving-mold-proficiency-partners-diplomates
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Other CIRS Support Communities:
CIRS Lab: https://cirslab.com
Jenny Johnson’s group: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collective
Melanie Pensak’s Meditation for CIRS community: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for health and business tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Book a CIRS coaching call with Barbara: https://calendly.com/actlikebarbara/cirs-coaching
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
CIRS Q&A: Tackling Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, Co-Infections, and Recovery
For more information and support, visit us at https://www.thecirsgroup.com
Welcome to our first 2025 CIRS Q&A session! In this episode, Barbara and Jacie provide answers to your pressing questions about Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). We dive into the Shoemaker Protocol, tips for identifying safe new environments for moving, and specific strategies to handle co-infections like SIBO, Lyme, and Bartonella. We also discuss managing symptoms like fatigue, hormone issues from menopause, and dealing with mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS or histamine response). Whether you're new to CIRS or further along in your healing journey, this session provides valuable insights to help you take control of your health. Don't miss out on practical advice for improving your well-being and staying proactive in your treatment plan.
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
01:26 Overview of CIRS and Shoemaker Protocol
03:05 Q&A Session Begins
03:39 Hypometabolism and Weight Loss
07:17 Cross Contamination and Cleaning
11:06 Muscle Fatigue and Co-Infections
14:07 Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS)
20:21 Moving and Small Particle Cleaning
26:13 Exploring NID IV Therapy
27:28 Cost-Benefit Analysis of Short-Term Symptom Management
28:30 Increasing MSH: Strategies and Recommendations
30:20 Affordable Service Practitioners
33:13 Managing Treatment Costs and Financial Strategies
34:15 Combating Fatigue from CS and Menopause
37:01 Ensuring a Safe Living Environment
42:18 Treating Methane SIBO During Actos and Endo Cleaning
46:05 Becoming a CIRS Practitioner
49:11 Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks
Helpful Links:
SinusKey Test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey
Envirobiomics #7: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/sm-aeh-actino-endotoxin-hertsmi-2/
Prescriptions for a Healthy House https://a.co/d/f8VjmZy
Join CIRSLab: https://www.cirslab.com/
Check out the CIRS Summit: https://the-ultimate-cirs-summit.heysummit.com/
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a multi-system, multi-symptom illness that affects 24% of the population. Today, we are exploring what the triggers can be for people who develop CIRS: biotoxins! We cover mold, endotoxins, actinos, spider bites, ticks, cyanobacteria, and even vaccines. Check out the links below for more resources. Healing is possible! For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:40 Barbara’s terrible explanation of CIRS and our favorite biotoxins
4:36 Genetic predisposition and a story about pfiesteria
6:40 Other common biotoxins
8:10 How exposure to a biotoxin can cause a whole shift in your health
9:20 Triggers vs ongoing exposure
10:14 New info on endotoxins coming up on your GENIE test
11:34 Triggers outside of biotoxins: Trauma
12:42 Jacie’s story of physical trauma
13:36 Trauma in childhood increases risk of developing chronic illness
14:48 Treat the biotoxin and/or trauma in addition to CIRS
16:22 CIRS can be put into remission with the Shoemaker Protocol
HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED:
Our previous episode on Genetics vs the GENIE test:
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Other CIRS Support Communities:
CIRS Lab: https://cirslab.com
Jenny Johnson’s group: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collective
Melanie Pensak’s Meditation for CIRS community: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for health and business tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Book a CIRS coaching call with Barbara: https://calendly.com/actlikebarbara/cirs-coaching
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a multi-system, multi-symptom illness that affects 24% of the population. Unfortunately, very few doctors are educated and certified to help you heal from it. Today, we want to help you find the doctor and health coach that is right for you. Check out the links below for more resources to aid you in your search. Healing is possible! For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:50 Why use a Shoemaker certified practitioner
3:00 How to find a Shoemaker certified practitioner
5:24 How to use your general practitioner in conjunction with a Proficiency Partner
6:34 Shoemaker Certified Practitioner vs Proficiency Partner
8:35 Cautionary tale re: using a non-Shoemaker certified doctor
10:37 The benefits of adding a Proficiency Partner to your team
11:40 Educating your CIRS-ignorant providers
HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED:
Surviving Mold website: https://www.survivingmold.com
Book with Christian: https://consult-christian.as.me/schedule/a89e8b00
Nutrition with Judy: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/
CIRS studies to share with your doctor: https://www.survivingmold.com/Downloads/Dooley-McMahon_Final_Publication_-_3-30-2020.pdf
https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/CIRS_diagnostic_protocol_final_5_1_2018.pdf
Our podcast on What is CIRS: https://youtu.be/eqso4R0cQhg?si=lceCk-iCRfG1NnVf
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Other CIRS Support Communities:
CIRS Lab: https://cirslab.com
Jenny Johnson’s group: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collective
Melanie Pensak’s Meditation for CIRS community: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for health and business tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Book a CIRS coaching call with Barbara: https://calendly.com/actlikebarbara/cirs-coaching
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is what we were diagnosed with three years ago. A little over two years ago, we started this podcast - and this week we celebrate 100 episodes! Today we discuss what CIRS has taught us: tips and cautionary tales for healing, how to navigate things when it gets complicated, and reminders of what’s most important. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:40 Don’t cut corners like skipping remediation
3:48 Doing the right tests at the right time
5:45 Healing is a marathon, not a sprint
9:04 Expect setbacks
10:30 Everyone is different
11:50 Peeling back the layers of the onion: co-infections
13:05 It’s OK to take breaks, just keep going when you can
15:10 Share your story
16:30 CIRS hits your weakest points
18:50 Record your symptoms so you can reflect on improvements
20:18 Jacie is working out now! Healing is possible
21:08 CIRS will test your relationships
23:23 Join a support community
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Other CIRS Support Communities:
CIRS Lab: https://cirslab.com
Jenny Johnson’s group: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collective
Melanie Pensak’s Meditation for CIRS community: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we have a special guest! Dr. Dayan Goodenowe is a researcher that has unlocked the power of plasmalogens and thankfully, this is something that can be a real game changer for people struggling with CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. We cover what they are, where they come from, how to try them for yourself, and more. Check out the time stamps and links below, and for more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:28 What are plasmalogens?
6:20 What do plasmalogens do?
10:20 How Dr. Goodenowe started working with plasmalogens
13:10 Glia and Nuero: what are the differences?
16:47 Titrate up slowly and carefully
18:40 Jacie’s experience with plasmalogens, and how plasmalogens help even in exposure
23:30 Getting to baseline to build resilience
26:45 Side effects to look out for when starting out
21:10 Blood test to determine your needs/deficiencies
38:24 How to work with Dr. Goodenowe or purchase his products
HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED:
Dr. Goodenowe’s website: https://drgoodenowe.com/
His Prodrome website to purchase plasmalogens: https://prodrome.com/
The CIRS Summit: https://thecirssummit.com/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can be exacerbated by histamine response, or MCAS, aka Mast Cell Activation Syndrome. There are ways to keep this in check as you heal, and there is actually a good reason to address it that can mean raising your MSH! Check out the time stamps and links below, and for more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:46 Histamines and what it does in your body
2:42 MCAS or mast cell activation syndrome
5:10 How MCAS/histamine treatment can help MSH
6:21 How to know if you have a histamine reaction
7:37 Ways to treat histamine reactions
11:00 Low histamine foods
13:18 Striking a balance in managing histamines
HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED:
Cromolyn Sodium nasal spray: https://a.co/d/aIZMfA4
Billy Doe Meats: https://billydoemeats.com/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness, and sometimes we might stall in our healing journey. When that happens, it’s a good idea to think about what stones might be left unturned. For some, that could be an oral infection or a bad root canal. Today, we’ll talk about some prevention tips and how to mitigate potential problems with your oral health that could be keeping you sick. Check out the time stamps and links below, and for more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:47 So, why are we talking about oral health?
1:26 When to dive down this rabbit hole
3:19 Prevention tips
10:30 Cone Beam Scan
11:54 Holistic or Biologic Dentists
12:45 Swabbing for MARCoNs
14:13 Beeskeepers for actinos colonization
15:10 Disclaimer about trying new products
16:45 Word of caution
HELPFUL LINKS MENTIONED:
Ask The Dentist: https://www.instagram.com/askthedentist
Toothpastes:
Boka: https://a.co/d/2siCwHN
Fygg: https://a.co/d/d91aCxW
Mouthwash: https://a.co/d/cSvvg4O
Tongue scrapers: https://a.co/d/12ySY4L
MARCoNs test: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kits
Beekeepers: https://a.co/d/ePutuIE
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is caused by several different environmental toxins. None are more damaging than POOP! So today, we are talking all about endotoxins: what they are, what they do to your body, how to test your home, and how to maintain a clean home, free from poopy little guys. Check out the time stamps and links below, and for more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:45 What are endotoxins?
3:28 Why an absence of odor doesn’t mean you’re safe
5:18 Why are endotoxins so bad?
6:40 Where do endotoxins come from?
8:40 Ways to test for endotoxins
11:04 How to test your home for endotoxins
12:25 Smoke Test
14:09 The importance of hiring an Indoor Environmental Professional
16:34 How to maintain the health of your home
20:43 Special note about Studor Vents
22:10 Replacing toilet seals
23:15 Internal Endotoxins
HELPFUL LINKS:
Our GENIE episodes: https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=SFpDQpsk8Mely7pP
https://youtu.be/OoiT7WZ_UJI?si=XdghIUym5Tj0fpHL
Envirobiomic’s test for Endos: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/e-endotoxin/
Our interview with IEP Michael Schrantz: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=HfHrmHcNhVLt5xjs
Green Gobbler product: https://greengobbler.com/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com or subscribe to our newsletter to join us for our next live Q&A webinar! https://www.thecirsgroup.com/webinar
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is best treated with the Shoemaker Protocol. Research and clinical experience has shown that patients tolerate the protocol far better when they incorporate lipid replacement therapy. This means more supplements! But not all supplements are created equal. Today we’ll cover the most often recommended lipids for you to consider when you start your healing journey. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:32 Why you start lipid replacement before you start binders
1:14 Side effects of binders that lipid replacement will help you with
3:00 How to know you’re taking enough fats
4:02 How fats can impact your MMP9 level
4:52 The danger of taking too much lipid replacement
5:17 The lipid replacement options, starting with fish oils, Omaprem
6:39 Phosphatidylcholine
8:56 Plasmalogens
12:15 Do Neuro when you are in a “good place”
13:25 Consider staying on lipid replacement long term
HELPFUL LINKS:
Omaprem: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/inflammation/omaprem-spm-fatty-acids
Fish Oils: https://shop.bioticsresearch.com/products/biomega-1000
Phosphatidylcholine: https://bodybio.com/products/bodybio-pc-phosphatidylcholine?variant=34379596136583&country=US¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=17855439090&utm_content=&utm_term=&tw_source=google&tw_adid=&tw_source=google&tw_adid=&tw_campaign=17855439090&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkoe9BhDYARIsAH85cDMeyrEJAWstHbDJF9kLXOvoOkkwMRr9vNqqvEbSiUdYrXaJodENBlQaAkJsEALw_wcB
Plasmalogens:
Glia for repair (earlier in the protocol): https://prodrome.com/products/prodromeglia-softgel?variant=50891696930976
Neuro (to promote brain growth): https://prodrome.com/products/prodromeneuro-softgel?pr_prod_strat=jac≺_rec_id=f4d553f7c≺_rec_pid=7578764083360≺_ref_pid=7578764214432≺_seq=uniform&variant=50891105042592
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Join us for our next live Q&A webinar! https://www.thecirsgroup.com/webinar
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is an illness that almost always has devastating effects on a VERY important blood marker: MSH, or Melanocyte Stimulating Hormone. MSH affects everything from sleep, hormones, gut health, mental health, energy, and so much more. If you are struggling in any of these arenas, this episode is for you. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:50 How is MSH produced
3:05 What does MSH do?
3:58 MSH and sleep issues
6:20 Healthy MSH range
6:58 How to raise MSH
7:32 MARCoNs and MSH
10:19 Supplemental protocols to increase MSH
13:00 Other helpful tips to raise MSH: Sunlight
14:21 KPV
15:38 What NOT to do to raise MSH
HELPFUL LINKS:
Buy Jacie’s book (and leave a review!): https://a.co/d/1uYwP0q
Check out The CIRS Summit VIP pass to watch 50+ interviews with CIRS experts on every topic, including MSH and MARCoNs: http://thecirssummit.com/
Watch the CIRSx Talk about increasing MSH: https://vimeo.com/showcase/11385222/video/955676586
The CIRS Group:
Join our support community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Check out our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is an illness usually caused by your genes. But there are two different genetic based tests you can get! One to determine your Genetic HLA Haplotype, and one to see what genes are up or down regulated. Both inform your treatment to varying degrees, so today we want to help you understand which does what and whether these tests make sense for you. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:05 The confusion between genetic haplotypes vs GENIE tests
2:00 HLA Genetic Haplotypes: what is that?
4:08 Why HLA testing is important
5:04 HLA does not change, and you’ll probably need help to figure out what it is
6:42 Autoimmune genes vs CIRS genes
8:08 What is the GENIE test?
8:50 When should you get the GENIE test?
9:55 GENIE shows the expression of genes
11:30 What the GENIE can tell you
11:50 How to interpret your GENIE (hint: get help)
13:37 When and whether to test if you are tight on funds
HELPFUL LINKS:
Buy Jacie’s book (and leave a review!): https://a.co/d/1uYwP0q
The CIRS Summit: http://thecirssummit.com/
MyHouseMakesMeSick HLA calculator: https://www.myhousemakesmesick.com/hlacalc/
Our GENIE test episodes:
https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=Y0naeyaEGVUXYm5W
https://youtu.be/OoiT7WZ_UJI?si=s6aUTNO3iLf9fKvQ
Order the GENIE here: https://www.progenedx.com/product-index
Book a consultation with Christian to interpret your GENIE: https://cirslab.circle.so/checkout/11-with-christian
The CIRS Group:
Join our support community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Check out our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness, but we hope to break down some of the bigger tasks into smaller, more manageable ones for you in this episode. We will cover nutritional goals, cleaning, medication timing, fitness goals, and limbic/emotional support goals and give you tangible, actionable steps for each so you can start building better habits in 2025! For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:35 JACIE HAS A BOOK!! Benefits of carnivore
3:17 Look for a doctor or work with a coach
7:17 How to build CIRS habits in a sustainable way
7:40 Cleaning habits/strategies
9:13 Vacuuming, drains, bathrooms
13:10 Remembering to take medications and supplements
15:10 Building a fitness and movement routine
18:13 Limbic Work, preparing and supporting yourself mentally, Vision Boarding
21:10 Find a support network, accountability buddy, or group
HELPFUL LINKS:
Buy Jacie’s book (and leave a review!): https://a.co/d/1uYwP0q
Check Surviving Mold for CIRS doctors: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/find-a-physician-in-my-area
Published Research to present to your doctor:
https://www.survivingmold.com/Downloads/Dooley-McMahon_Final_Publication_-_3-30-2020.pdf
https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/CIRS_diagnostic_protocol_final_5_1_2018.pdf
Wire rack/shower caddy to hold bottles: https://a.co/d/2YOZctc
Green Gobbler: https://a.co/d/bWBpJMH
The Joy Plan book: https://a.co/d/1mZIXNm
Our episode on Limbic Retraining: https://youtu.be/tTzgIsdYovA?si=Z8iEDmZcOKUBy12c
The CIRS Group:
Join our support community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Check out our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is the illness both Jacie and Barbara were diagnosed with in April 2022. They last gave a health update one year ago, so today we’re bringing you up to speed on their progress recovering from mold / biotoxin illness using the Shoemaker protocol and various supplemental therapies. They also cover grief and stress processing as well as travel and recovering from re-exposure. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:05 Jacie’s recap of her health journey
1:54 Nicotine
2:45 Tick Borne testing, plasmalogens, peptides, and resilience
3:25 Environment testing and moving plans
4:14 Travel experiences
4:45 NeuroQuant timing and more about Nicotine
6:50 Jacie feels good! But also dealt with re-exposures
8:40 Limbic Retraining and slowing down, stress management
9:55 Jacie’s Book!
12:00 Barbara’s update: grief processing and recap
15:05 Therapy: CPT for PTSD, and ADHD treatment
17:13 Stress Management and vision boarding
18:18 Barbara’s CIRS plans and nicotine use
20:26 Autoimmune flare-up: Alopecia Areata
22:34 Unexpected stress will affect your healing
HELPFUL LINKS:
Order Jacie’s book! NOW AVAILABLE: The 30-Day Carnivore Boot Camp: A Beginner’s Guide to Successfully Doing an All-Meat Lifestyle: https://a.co/d/7MHCf5i
Our past health update episode: https://youtu.be/NseNf6XLQxI?si=YYpJzX_dPKbHauYE
Our Nicotine episode: https://youtu.be/hLumLIye7q4?si=VzQzNgQet5BjIosv
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Let this be your guide to the first annual CIRS Summit! CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complex illness, so there is a ton to learn about it as you receive your diagnosis and navigate the Shoemaker protocol to heal. Jacie and Barbara joined the steering committee to plan and produce this FREE event, the first of its kind that is geared towards patients. We break down the talks and point out our favorites, so we hope this helps you decide which talks to catch during the next replay, or whether it might be worth purchasing the upgraded ticket for access to replay at your convenience. All proceeds go towards important CIRS Research. To watch the CIRS Summit, visit https://the-ultimate-cirs-summit.heysummit.com/
For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro, disclaimer, and where you can watch The CIRS Summit
5:30 Introduction to Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome by Jacie Gregory
6:10 Staying Healthy Post-Protocol: Managing Re-Exposures: Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres, Jenny Johnson PT, FMCHC, NBC-HWC, Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams
7:18 Building-Related Biotoxins: Mold, Bacteria and More by Larry Schwartz
7:30 Envirobiomics: Because Health Matters: Dust Testing and Blood Panel for CIRS by Gianni Rosinni
7:55 An Inconvenient Truth: Tick Borne Infections in CIRS Patients by Dr. Margaret DiTulio DNP, APRN
8:28 The Science Behind Brain Injury and Repair by Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker
9:10 Surviving Hypersensitivity in CIRS by Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres
9:54 Mindfully Navigating CIRS Recovery with Meditation by Melanie Joy Pensak M.S. CCC-SLP, CMT-P
10:28 The Devil is in the Differential: Diagnosing Chronic Illness by Dr. Margaret DiTulio DNP, APRN
10:35 Air Oasis: Love the Air you Breathe by Jon Bennert
10:40 Processing Grief: An Essential Step to Healing by Melanie Joy Pensak M.S. CCC-SLP, CMT-P, Dr. Lauren Sparks, Brenda Stewart LPC, LMHC, CTH & Mindy Mastruserio MS, NCC, LPC, CCTP-II
11:26 Understanding Red Hot Hands and Feet: Erythromelalgia in CIRS by Dr. Lauren Sparks
11:33 Common Remediation Mistakes and How to Avoid Them by Bill Weber
12:02 Leaky Buildings, Leaky Gut by Dr. Kellyn Milani NMD
12:07 CIRS: A Trauma-Based Illness by Dr. Andrew Heyman
12:10 Unlocking the Power of Genie to Inform your Recovery from CIRS by Louise Carder
12:50 The Importance of the HLA: Genetic Susceptibility to CIRS by Dr. Scott McMahon
13:11 The Importance of Family Support by Kendrah Betz & Matthew Betz
13:22 CIRS & Hormones by Dr. Anjali Noble
13:57 Eradicating MARCoNS by Dr. Joseph Mustom
14:08 Fixing Your Cells and Brain with Plasmalogens by Dr. Dayan Goodenowe
14:49 The Use of Peptides Beyond VIP by Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres
15:08 CIRS, Dysautonomia and Upper Cervical Care by Dr. Andrea Jordheim
16:10 Navigating Disordered Eating and CIRS by Brenda Stewart LPC, LMHC, CTH
16:30 Microbiology DX: Ordering and Understanding Marcons testing by Dr. Joseph Musto
17:16 PD Labs: Patient Driven Healthcare Solutions by Ray Solano
17:30 A Unique Way To Treat CIRS & Lyme by Dr. Laura Varga
17:40 Long Covid & CIRS by Jacie Gregory
18:09 Breathwork for the Moldy Brain by Morgan Glodowski
18:29 Deciphering the Alphabet Soup: CIRS Lab Tests and Reference Ranges by Dr. Ming Dooley
19:04 A Medically Important Professional Home Inspection for a CIRS Person by John Banta
20:06 Dietary Considerations for CIRS by Julia Davies
20:37 Setting Yourself Up for Success on the Shoemaker Protocol by Dr. Eric Dorninger
21:05 Navigating Project Pitfalls and Unlocking New Methods And Solutions by Brandon Apple
22:25 Healing from CIRS Outside the US by Louise Carder, Dr. Jodie Dashore, Mark Volmer & Kate Barry PhD
23:42 The Pain That No One Discusses: Suicidal Thoughts in CIRS by Mindy Mastruserio MS, NCC, LPC, CCTP-II
24:54 Minimizing the Financial Burden of CIRS Care by Alan Gruning DO
25:11 Coagulation & CIRS by Dr. James Ryan
25:35 Testing and Treating Bacterial Endotoxins in our Environment by Michael Schrantz, CIEC
26:39 Chasing the Ghosts of Water Damages Past by Greg Weatherman
27:11 Navigating Workplace Accommodations by Jane Prescot
27:40 How to Remediate and Maintain a Healthy Car by Mike Susi
29:00 Autoimmune illnesses and CIRS by Dr Miles Nichols
29:42 Assessing Your Own Home for Water Damage by Kendra Seymour
30:06 The Impact of Medical Trauma for CIRS Patients by Dr. Lauren Sparks
30:24 The Role of Clotting Disorders, Biofilm, and Actinobacteria in CIRS by Dr. Jacki Meinhardt
30:39 MoldCo: Online, Affordable Mold Illness Care and Treatments by Ariana Thacker
30:55 Putting it All Together: Patient Takeaways from The CIRS Summit by Jenny Johnson PT, FMCHC, NBC-HWC
HELPFUL LINKS:
Sign up for The CIRS Summit! https://the-ultimate-cirs-summit.heysummit.com/
CIRSx talks (free!): https://www.cirsx.com/conference-archives/
CIRSx courses: https://institute.cirsx.com/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
The GENIE test is a blood test you can take to help diagnose CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, but it can also inform your treatment! Today we have our favorite guest, Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres, back to explain what the GENIE test is good for, what you might do differently based on your results, and how you can learn about your own with the help of a coach or doctor. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
5:00 What is the GENIE test?
7:30 What does gene activity mean in the context of CIRS?
9:00 HLA Haplotype test vs GENIE
11:20 What are the benefits of getting the GENIE test done?
16:35 Examples of genetic expressions and what they mean
19:57 Indications of Lyme
20:30 Downregulated Metabolism
24:00 Endotoxin hyperreactivity
26:30 Get help to understand your own GENIE test
28:57 How to work with Christian
HELPFUL LINKS:
Christian’s membership communities, both for patients and practitioners: https://www.cirslab.com/
Work with Christian: https://www.cirslab.com/contact
Our previous episode on the GENIE: https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=BqrZHUthROdyiiU5
Check out The CIRS Summit! http://thecirssummit.com/
Our previous episodes with Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres:
Neuroquant: https://youtu.be/aQyU51D7O-c?si=-hol5adPP5SLsNN5
ADHD: https://youtu.be/x_yL-voDyJY?si=48kzS4gRVZi0u8BM
Nicotine: https://youtu.be/hLumLIye7q4?si=JXp_Y7vozJxkS7_e
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen.
Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is difficult to treat outside the US, and for some, even finding a practitioner who understands the illness feels like an insurmountable task. It is even harder if you have a child with special needs that is suffering from CIRS as well. Thankfully, Dr. Jodie Dashore works with patients all over the world, young and old, and guides them through the Shoemaker Protocol as well as various plant-based medicinal therapies. Today, we discuss what it’s like to work with her, what conditions she addresses with her therapies, and some hope for those that are tired of being sick and looking for answers for themselves and their families. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:45 Dr. Jodie Dashore’s bio and how she got into CIRS treatment
6:04 When to use the Shoemaker Protocol vs the herbal therapies
11:27 When is the appropriate time to treat children
16:08 Address CIRS first, especially with PANS
19:38 The struggles of trying so many rabbit holes before finding CIRS
21:44 Resources for international patients and pediatric special needs
28:46 The CIRS Summit: December 1-6, 2024
31:04 What it’s like to work with Dr. Jodie Dashore
HELPFUL LINKS:
Register for The CIRS Summit! http://thecirssummit.com/
Dr. Jodie Dashore’s website: https://bionexushealth.com/
Dr. Jodie Dashore’s podcast (latest episode referenced in this episode): https://youtu.be/ko--e5zlMAM?si=aY4GrYBYbtDaB93S
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
The hardest part about healing from CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is step one: getting out of exposure. For many, this is the most expensive step, as it can mean costly remediation or even moving to a new home. That’s why we are so thankful for Kendra Seymour and the amazing work she does with her non-profit, Change the Air Foundation. Today, she’ll explain how to hire the right people and the best people to get your home clean and safe as quickly and cost effectively as possible. This episode is FULL of great tips, so please revisit it often and check the links below to check out the resources she mentioned in this episode.. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:13 Why your indoor air is so important
2:40 What Change the Air Foundation does
4:20 Indoor Environmental Professional (IEP) vs Remediator
7:00 Examples of bad, good, and great IEPs
12:16 How to find a great IEP
15:00 Why hire an IEP in addition to a remediator
16:29 What makes a bad, good, and great remediator
24:30 Special tips for renters
25:55 The CIRS Summit
27:50 Additional resources for you
HELPFUL LINKS:
The CIRS Summit! December 1-6, register for free here: https://thescirssummit.com/
Change the Air Foundation’s website: https://changetheairfoundation.org/
Link to their free downloads (what to ask an IEP, what to ask a remediator, mold remediation at a glance, a checklist for your own home inspection, and lots more): https://changetheairfoundation.org/free-downloads/
The “Start Here” link Kendra mentioned: https://changetheairfoundation.org/mold-water-damage/
Donate to Change the Air Foundation: https://changetheairfoundation.org/donate/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is already a complicated illness with a complicated treatment plan. For those outside the United States, access to care can be even more difficult. If you are struggling to find a doctor who can see you or get access to parts of the Shoemaker Protocol, this episode is for you. Though we still believe, based on decades of research, that the Shoemaker Protocol is the gold standard to heal from CIRS or mold illness, we are so happy to know that there are alternatives you may be able to pursue while you wait to see a doctor (or perhaps don’t have access to one where you live). For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:23 Dr. Kate Barry
0:56 Dr. Barry’s own experience with CIRS and chronic fatigue
3:12 How CIRS might be complicated to treat outside of the States
6:30 The dangers of not testing a new home before you move in
8:40 How environment/home testing is done in Australia
10:29 Binder alternatives when access or tolerance is limited
14:30 Timing and support becomes more important with less effective binders
15:33 VIP access or alternatives outside the US
19:00 NueroQuant, GENIE tests difficult in Australia
20:15 Prepwork anyone should do before you start the protocol: diet
23:00 Lifestyle changes, hydration, and stress management
24:30 Gut health and detox pathways
27:00 The importance of having a guide for these therapies
28:00 The importance of creating your health team
29:05 The importance of creating momentum at the start of your journey
29:40 There are ways to adapt the protocol and your care for your needs
32:00 The CIRS Summit: December 1-6
33:30 How to work with Dr. Kate Barry
HELPFUL LINKS:
Sign up for the CIRS Summit! https://thecirssummit.com
Find out more about Dr. Kate Barry: https://www.drkatehealth.com/
Her Symptom Cluster resource: https://www.drkatehealth.com/symptom-analysis
Schedule a 15 minute call with Dr. Barry: https://www.drkatehealth.com/service-page/discovery-call
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a meat-based certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, meat-based, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is an illness fit for horror movies - and guess what? Mold is quite often the star of the show. Today we do a silly episode (with some helpful bits, we think!) all about Jacie’s favorite movie genre: horror, and how biotoxins often play major role in our scary movies (and lives!). We tried not to spoil too many of these films, so we hope you enjoy whether you’ve seen some of these movies or not.. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
2:11 The Birds by Alfred Hitchcock
4:08 The Last of Us
5:00 Archive 81
5:47 Haunting on Hill House
7:00 Reddit thread: what if it’s just water damage?
8:57 Symptoms of paranormal experiences mimic CIRS
11:20 Where to start if you want to watch horror movies
13:00 Innate fear of biotoxins - perfect for the horror genre
HELPFUL LINKS:
True story behind The Birds: https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2011/12/hitchcocks-the-birds-mystery-solved
The reddit thread we mentioned: https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/vtbtce/paranormal_home_inspectors/
Our Bible (and mold history) episode: https://youtu.be/Gg95J-IUCZU?si=g-objdsaf1S3LtQG
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a genetic illness. Your genes don’t mean you’re doomed, but being aware of them will help you avoid the triggers that together could cause you chronic illness like CIRS, chronic fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and more. Today we’ll dig into what those genetic haplotypes are, what they mean, and how you can help yourself and your family avoid chronic illness no matter what your genes might say. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:35 Why you should get your genes tested
2:12 How genes are connected to CIRS
3:03 How the Genetic Haplotypes affect your CIRS experience
4:46 Genetic implications for your children and family
7:13 Struggling to convince family of CIRS is common
HELPFUL LINKS:
The HLA-DR Calculator at MyHouseMakesMeSick.com: https://myhousemakesmesick.com/hlacalc/
Our episode with pediatrician Dr. Scott McMahon re: kids with CIRS (he goes into the genetic factor as well as how to educate your kids about CIRS): https://youtu.be/kBuAj41cHbo?si=E398hLWhrpGfrYma
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can sometimes cause intense, ongoing pain in severe cases. Joints, ligaments, muscles, your GI system, and even your brain can feel like it is on fire, and many normal pain medications won’t give relief. Today we wanted to do a special episode focusing on pain management for those of you experiencing pain that is incessant in hopes that one of these options might help you finally find some relief. As always, this is not medical advice: be sure to consult your CIRS doctor for which pain relief option might be best for you. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:40 Advocate for yourself
1:50 Address root cause, but make it tolerable too
3:55 Low Dose Naltrexone
4:28 Cannabis, marijuana, or weed
6:25 CBD
7:05 Kratom
7:28 Ketamine Therapy
8:20 Curcumin
9:24 MSM or Methylsulfonylmethane
9:40 B1 therapy or B vitamins
10:13 More dangerous options: Benzos or Benzodiazepines
12:59 Opioids
15:38 NSAIDS
17:36 Other pain relieving activities: Heat or sauna
18:50 Cold plunges
19:12 Interact with animals
HELPFUL LINKS:
B1 Protocol: https://thiamineprotocols.com/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness that affects 1 in 4 people, but won’t “show itself” unless that person is exposed to biotoxins. What happens when that happens? We dive into it today! Your mysterious chronic illness could totally be CIRS, and we hope that if it is, you find your path to healing ASAP. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
2:00 What is CIRS?
2:30 Who might have CIRS?
3:04 What are biotoxins?
5:30 Why do biotoxins cause issues in some people but not others?
9:00 The impact of biotoxins on the body
11:00 The CIRS Symptom Clusters
13:49 So you have CIRS, what next?
HELPFUL LINKS:
The CIRS Group playlist on getting a CIRS diagnosis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBhE7N-EFj4&list=PLtFmHRLGI2wGvamsYw4aQ4y9OyHnXkHU7
The CIRS Group playlist on The Shoemaker Protocol, the only clinically proven path to healing from CIRS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCT2iJrbI7w&list=PLtFmHRLGI2wHZTqMRx5Ty4Dv2bDXwt273
Online Vision Contrast Sensitivity Test to help you determine if CIRS is likely for you: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, affects children too! And often can be treated far easier than the treatment for adults. Today, we have a very special guest, Pediatrician and FIRST EVER Shoemaker certified doctor, Dr. Scott McMahon. We ask him all the big questions about CIRS in children: how to diagnose, how to treat, how it manifests, and how to get your pediatrician on board with the Shoemaker Protocol. Disclaimer: this is not medical advice, please consult a CIRS literate doctor for help treating you or your children’s CIRS. ALSO: Stay tuned until the end for EXCITING news about CIRSx 2025 and the first ever CIRS online Summit! For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:27 Pediatric Mold Exposure: The Next Great Epidemic?
11:05 CIRS in children vs adults
16:55 Diagnosing and treating children for CIRS
18:37 Common CIRS symptoms in children: ADHD
19:34 Bed wetting or toilet training issues paThe Art and Science of CIRS Medicinest 6 years of age
23:10 Growing Pains are a sign of CIRS
26:40 Why one major symptom can indicate CIRS in children
28:14 How the Shoemaker Protocol differs for children
32:04 Kids can often skip the VIP Spray step
39:30 What is the likelihood of passing on CIRS genes to your kids?
43:08 How and when to explain CIRS to children
46:00 How to approach your child’s pediatrician about CIRS
50:30 Dr. McMahon’s upcoming podcast
51:44 CIRSx 2025 Announcement: June 5th in Tempe, AZ
54:24 The first annual CIRS Summit this December!
HELPFUL LINKS:
Dr. McMahon’s website: https://scottmcmahon.doctor/
Dr. McMahon’s book: The Art and Science of CIRS Medicine: https://a.co/d/9t1Vt7T
Ming Dooley and Scott McMahon study to explain CIRS to your doctor: https://www.survivingmold.com/Downloads/Dooley-McMahon_Final_Publication_-_3-30-2020.pdf
Ritchie Shoemaker, Scott McMahon, et al. study re: the diagnostic process for CIRS: https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/CIRS_diagnostic_protocol_final_5_1_2018.pdf
For more information about CIRSx: https://www.cirsx.com/
For more information about CIRS Summit: https://cirs-research-foundation.org/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is almost always accompanied by headaches or migraines. If you suffer from headaches with any kind of regularity, you really should look into CIRS as a potential culprit. Why? There are actually a TON of effects CIRS causes in the body that all can make you feel brain pain. We go over all those causes and a solution in today’s episode. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:30 Headaches are one of the top five reported symptoms of CIRS
2:00 Causes: Elevated cytokines and elevated immune response
2:40 Electrolyte imbalance, aka ADH / Osmolality
3:13 POTS, feeling light headed, fainting
4:55 Use elevated symptoms like an exposure alarm and GTFO
5:44 POTS tip: tell a flight attendant!
6:38 Other causes: Hormone imbalance and fluctuations
7:05 Ehlers-Danlos is also likely CIRS (and causes migraines)
9:05 More stories of how Jacie and Barbara handle telling people about CIRS
9:46 Another cause: Multi-Chemical Sensitivity
10:45 MCAS or histamine response can cause headaches
12:50 Chronic pain can also cause headaches
13:09 Kids with chronic headaches
14:32 Shoemaker Protocol helps all of the above!
HELPFUL LINKS:
Link to content creator Jacie suspects has CIRS: https://www.youtube.com/@taylorwynn
Another content creator Jacie suspects has CIRS: https://www.youtube.com/@physicsgirl
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is an expensive illness to treat - so why get unnecessary tests? Friggin don’t do it! Save your money. Today we tackle a very very popular, but very very pointless one: The Urinary Mycotoxin Test that supposedly tests you for mold. We will tell you why it’s pointless and feel free to send this to any doctor or practitioner that says otherwise. :) For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:40 The only thing Urinary Mycotoxin Tests can tell you
2:44 No difference between healthy and chronically ill results
3:53 The danger of getting tested with others in your household
4:39 Bloodwork is also needed, making this urine test redundant at best
6:30 Urine tests do not indicate treatment: all mycotoxins need the same binder
7:40 The dangers of anti-fungals (-azoles)
8:47 Urine tests will not show progress in treatment accurately
9:34 The one saving grace of the urinary mycotoxin test
10:09 Barbara’s conspiracy theory on urine tests
11:35 Tell us if you took the urinary mycotoxin test and how it went for you
HELPFUL LINKS:
https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/Urinary_mycotoxins_10_8_19_RS_published.pdf
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, often comes with very low or “undetectable” levels of MSH, or Melanocyte Stimulating Hormone. This hormone, which naturally occurs in the body, is connected to so many systems and can consequently cause a ton of symptoms when it’s too low. Today, we tackle all the ways this can manifest in CIRS patients, and offer some tips on getting yours back to normal levels. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:47 What is MSH and what happens to it if you have CIRS?
2:45 Shoemaker’s Biotoxin Pathway (see notes below)
3:13 What does low MSH impact?
3:33 Sleep issues
3:40 Suppressed endorphins
3:46 Leaky gut/GI issues
4:05 Immune system dysregulation: co-infections
4:40 MARCoNs
5:57 Cortisol/ACTH dysregulation
7:02 Sex hormones: DHEA, Testosterone
7:41 ADH/Osmolality dysregulation: frequent urination and urgency, fainting
9:56 How do you raise your MSH?
10:32 Dr. Peg and Dr. Christian’s work re: Histamines and MSH
12:08 Barbara’s experience with MSH coming up
12:46 VIP spray’s role in MSH
13:30 Additional support: Sunrises and KPV
14:40 Why root cause healing is so important: brain atrophy
HELPFUL LINKS:
Dr. Shoemaker’s Biotoxin Pathway: https://www.survivingmold.com/resources-for-patients/diagnosis/the-biotoxin-pathway
Our CIRSx recap, which includes the talk Dr. Peg and Dr. Christian gave re: MSH: https://youtu.be/qkL6OuiD2mQ?si=ejvPUilbB0uncXcT
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness with a healing journey that is rarely linear. Today, we wanted to acknowledge how tough some complex CIRS cases can be, so you know you’re not alone if your path to healing hasn’t been as straightforward as you wish it was. Also, we hope this episode gives you some ideas on what to do next if you feel like your healing has stalled. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:10 Setbacks from travel re-exposure
2:05 COVID or Spike Protein triggering event
3:00 Staying put to heal
4:18 Limbic Retraining and therapy
5:40 Tick-borne illness and Lyme
8:32 Dental infections, root canal issues
11:00 Leaky Gut, GI issues, H. Pylori, SIBO/SIFO, Candida
13:23 MCAS and Histamine issues
14:10 DHEA, Testosterone supplementation
15:25 Thyroid function support
16:35 Validation for how unfair but also normal the setbacks can be
18:48 As you heal, your immune system comes back online
HELPFUL LINKS:
Spike Protein Protocol episode: https://youtu.be/lBQ0xi1tHLo?si=UxJQuff6hQirCS4b
Limbic Retraining episode: https://youtu.be/tTzgIsdYovA?si=D-icIBUld7uT1dMw
Dr. Peg interview about tick-borne illnesses and Lyme: https://youtu.be/czSjykCdOR4?si=VGnEQ58HvKebVyg1
Work with Judy Cho to fix your gut: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/
Our CIRSx recap that includes Dr. Peg and Christian Navarro-Torres’ talk on MSH and histamines: https://youtu.be/qkL6OuiD2mQ?si=zo4reKuhfJ4gOY-T
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is best treated by the Shoemaker Protocol, but there are supportive therapies that can “help the process of healing along” and one such practice is mindfulness meditation. We are joined today by Melanie Pensak to talk more about this fascinating topic. Melanie is a certified speech-language pathologist and mindfulness teacher, Shoemaker Proficiency Partner, the host of The Heart of CIRS podcast, and we are excited today to have her on to explore the topic of meditation. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
HELPFUL LINKS:
Melanie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meditation4cirs/
Melanie's Practice Portal Group: https://thepracticeportal.circle.so
The Heart of CIRS Podcast: https://theheartofcirs.buzzsprout.com/
CIRSAlly Video: https://youtu.be/nZGAe_AFjQk?si=X9_GUUfmBxrkKBwt
The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, has its roots in the BIBLE. Did you know? Today we discuss fun historic and biblical health and mold references to give us some context for why we may have evolved with these really fun, CIRSy genes. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:50 How did we evolve to have crappy genes?
1:40 Protective genes during black plague may now cause autoimmunity
3:55 Genes have a purpose
4:39 The Biblical mold reference
7:55 The emphasis on mold to keep yourselves “clean”
9:20 Our bodies want to heal
HELPFUL LINKS:
The Harvard study Jacie found: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/genes-protective-during-the-black-death-may-now-be-increasing-autoimmune-disorders-202212012859
The Biblical passage Jacie reads: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2014%3A33-53&version=NIV
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Pre-order Jacie’s book! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is best treated by the Shoemaker Protocol, but there are supportive therapies that can “help the process of healing along” and one such practice is breathwork. We are joined today by Morgan Glodowski to talk more about this fascinating topic. Morgan is a multi-modality integrative health practitioner and owner of Moksha Embodied, where she utilizes functional labs, holistic protocols and somatic healing practices to help individuals get to the root of their symptoms and rewire their subconscious to break the mold of their condition. As an overcomer of CIRS and biotoxin illness herself, Morgan left her nursing career, and is now on a mission to inspire and educate patients and practitioners on the power of breathwork - a missing modality in medicine and mold recovery. Morgan is trauma-informed and trained in transformational breathwork and Kundalini yoga, specifically. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:44 How Morgan got into the CIRS world
3:37 How breathwork supports CIRS recovery
4:51 How this Kriya helps the body endogenously release DMT
6:19 The research behind the benefits of this Kriya practice
8:42 Who can benefit from breathwork
10:23 What you can expect from a breathwork session with Morgan
13:56 What the resistance can mean
15:51 How to work with Morgan
HELPFUL LINKS:
Morgan’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/morganeglodowski/
Morgan’s Website: http://mokshaembodied.com/
Join the group program waitlist: https://forms.gle/eY4qmRr2is7GPoXe9
Morgan’s CIRSx courses:
https://institute.cirsx.com/p/breathwork-101-a-missing-modality-in-medicine-and-mold-recovery
https://institute.cirsx.com/p/breathwork-a-missing-modality-in-medicine-and-mold-recovery
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can sometimes be “followed” or accompanied by co-infections. Today, we are diving into one of the most convoluted and confusing potential avenues CIRS patients might need to address: Tick-borne illnesses, of which there are many and not just Lyme disease! We are honored to have the leading expert in tick-borne illnesses with us today to help break it down: Dr. Peg DeTulio, who has decades of experience with 1000s of patients. Did you know it’s possible 20-50% of people with CIRS are also struggling with a tick-borne illness? If your healing journey has stalled, this may be a rabbit hole worth investigating. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
3:00 Tick-Borne illnesses vs Lyme
4:55 Symptoms of tick-borne illness
6:28 For CIRS patients: treat mold before you address tick-borne
9:38 Red flag: Improvements but some symptoms remain
11:20 Western Blot test after CIRS is treated
12:42 C3a and tick borne illness
14:36 Testing process for tick-borne illnesses
19:05 Night Sweats that do not resolve
20:15 Air hunger or sighing at rest
21:08 Using an herb before testing to wake up the illness
22:28 Endemic areas and other risk factors
27:36 How common is tick-borne illness within the CIRS community
28:33 Can GENIE or NeuroQuant rule out Lyme or tick-borne illness
31:58 How treatable are tick-borne illnesses?
35:42 The benefits of treating slowly and carefully
40:30 How to spread awareness of tick-borne illness
HELPFUL LINKS:
Dr. Peg Detulio’s website: https://regenixhealing.com/
Dr. Peg’s interview with Judy Cho: https://youtu.be/bjc2twvHGFs?si=9aJyIVGHmUp8Zj2r
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness, so we understand you probably have lots of questions! This week, we had a LIVE AMA (ask us anything!) all about CIRS. We got some great questions, spanning everything from binders to remediation, from trigeminal neuralgia to spondyloarthropathy (say those illnesses three times fast). We hope you get a lot out of this one, and we look forward to the next! For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:18 Intro to Jacie, Barbara, and The CIRS Group
3:30 What is CIRS?
5:49 What is the Shoemaker Protocol?
7:50 Healing from CIRS vs Maintenance afterward
11:44 Symptoms of CIRS
13:33 How to get diagnosed with CIRS
15:20 The Archetypes of CIRS Patients
18:07 What to do while you wait to see a doctor
19:16 Improvements in symptoms
20:58 What are the best binders to take?
23:52 VIP expectations
27:14 Ice-pick pains as a symptom, and nerve function
29:25 How to wash clothing, and washing machine tip
32:32 Genetic Haplotypes for CIRS
33:48 Is Colesevelam the same as Welchol? Yes.
33:57 The dangers of basements for mold
35:05 How to test your house for mold
36:32 Best way of eating, or diet, for CIRS
38:00 Applesauce as a vehicle for taking CSM
38:58 VCS test pass vs fail to determine CIRS
41:07 How to prepare for remediation
45:25 The importance of following the protocol in order
48:08 CIRS and Long COVID
50:02 Visual disturbances and CIRS
51:38 MMP9 and TGFb1 bloodmarkers
52:52 Bloodwork test collection
54:19 MMP9 high, TGFb1 low and what that could mean
55:20 Histamine supports
56:21 MSH
58:00 Outro
HELPFUL LINKS:
Hoffman Center link for more info on CIRS: https://www.drbrucehoffman.com/post/chronic-inflammatory-response-syndrome
GENIE test info: https://www.progenedx.com/faqs
HERTSMI-2 test for mold only: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/hertsmi-2/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
VCS test on SurvivingMold.com: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening
Endotoxin only test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/e-endotoxin/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
Actino test for buildings: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/actino-test/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
Actino test for skin: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/actino-skin/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
All three bundle: HERTSMI-2, Endos, and Actinos test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/sm-aeh-actino-endotoxin-hertsmi-2/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
SurvivingMold.com article on Long COVID: https://www.survivingmold.com/legal-resources/dr.-shoemaker-essays/new-research-article
Our podcast episode on COVID and CIRS: https://youtu.be/lBQ0xi1tHLo?si=FY4-Jl1BI86IXPzB
FLCCC Alliance resource on treating Long COVID:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/FLCCC-Long-COVID-Protocol-Summary-12-11-23.pdf
https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/I-RECOVER-Post-Vaccine-2024-03-01.pdf
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
In order to heal from CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, you must be in a clean living environment, free from an abundance of mold and harmful bacteria. Cleaning and properly remediating homes to the standard required for CIRS patients is tricky - but thankfully there are experts like Michael Schrantz, an Indoor Environmental Professional, who can help you determine the best path towards living in a clean environment. Check out the links below to listen to his podcast and hire him to help you with your home. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:48 How Michael got started as a CIRS-literate IEP
2:54 When should you hire an IEP?
5:18 CIRSx course for IEPs and remediators
5:53 What to expect when you hire an IEP
10:45 How an IEP can help you decide what to prioritize
13:20 Do it once, do it right
14:10 The peace of mind of having a team
15:47 How to utilize a virtual IEP consultation
17:36 What to look for in a local remediator
20:15 What happens when test scores get worse instead of better?
23:23 When should you consider leaving your home?
26:08 The role a realtor can play in helping you find a safe home
28:49 Tips for healthy home maintenance
35:18 Paranormal Activity
HELPFUL LINKS:
Work with Michael: https://environmentalanalytics.net/
Michael’s podcast: https://iepradio.com/
The CIRSx course he co-authored: https://institute.cirsx.com/p/medically-important-remediation-101
Watch talks from prior CIRSx conferences, including Jennifer Schrantz’ talk on finding a safe home (almost last video on the right side): https://www.cirsx.com/july-2023-conference-boulder
Water leak detectors: https://a.co/d/3ym6dIs
Mats for under the sink: https://a.co/d/cuAgfGW
UV-C light for HVAC systems: https://rgf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/RGF-SpecSheet-REME-HALO-Zero-v1-Digital.pdf
Order MSQPCR tests (like ERMI and HERTSMI2): https://www.envirobiomics.com
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can be difficult to explain and difficult to treat, mostly because of the steps and how different everyone’s symptoms can look. The CIRS Project is a brand new non-profit that hopes to change all of that. They are focusing on making the message of CIRS clearer and more concise so less people are overwhelmed when they get diagnosed or when they try to explain it to loved ones. Beyond that, they are hoping to build clean housing that can be offered to underprivileged people needing to get out of exposure. We absolutely love their mission and cannot wait to see their vision come to life. Be sure to check them out at https://www.thecirsproject.org/ and for more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:14 Why they decided to create The CIRS Project
3:10 The CIRS Project’s founders’ CIRS backstories
7:00 The impact of CIRS on relationships
8:45 The importance of streamlining CIRS education for the patient
10:14 The communication goals for The CIRS Project
14:19 Major goal of the Project: Transitional housing for healing
16:05 Streamlining the chaos of explaining CIRS
19:50 How CIRS awareness will spread: sharing the human experience
22:58 What is next for The CIRS Project
27:00 Why it’s so important to share your story
HELPFUL LINKS:
Learn about or donate to The CIRS Project: https://www.thecirsproject.org/
Get more of our guests’ CIRS backstory on the Vitality Hour Podcast, hosted by Dr. Eric Dorninger, with guests Aaron Pettigrew, Chris Foth, and Tim Martin: https://youtu.be/6WxFMhYm2rk?si=33OeE0qCpHwVzpoR
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Guests today:
Dr. Lauren Sparks, DNP, CNP, APRN, PMHNP-BC, CTP, MA, RN
Therapist Brenda Stewart, LMHC, NCC, CTH
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can take a toll on the mental health of the patient, just as much and sometimes more so than physically. No one knows this better than our guests today: Dr. Lauren Sparks, a Shoemaker Certified Doctor of Nursing Practice, and Brenda Stewart, a Licensed Mental Health Counselor and trauma specialist. Together they are offering a much needed extra layer of support for CIRS patients that are experiencing PTSD or other trauma-like responses due to CIRS and other events in their lives: group therapy. Today, they’ll explain why trauma plays such a big role in so many CIRS patients’ lives and what can be done to heal and move past it. This is not medical advice - please consult your physician or provider for what might be best for you. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:30 Dr. Lauren Sparks’ background and personal CIRS story
2:07 Brenda Stewart’s background and personal CIRS story
4:19 People with CIRS want to help others with CIRS
4:43 How and why trauma complicates CIRS, or possibly causes it
10:00 What modalities of therapy are best for CIRS patients?
12:33 Cognitive Behavioral Therapy vs Narrative Therapy
16:17 What is EMDR and what to expect during a session
20:27 Group Therapy option through Dr. Sparks’ practice
23:20 Why group therapy might be more beneficial for CIRS patients
27:23 Group therapy promotes connection and feelings of safety
28:28 Who would most benefit from their Group Therapy offering
30:08 How to sign up for Dr. Sparks’ and Brenda’s Group Therapy program
32:33 If you feel resistant to group therapy, explore why that is
HELPFUL LINKS:
Dr. Sparks’ practice’s website with information about their new group therapy options: https://www.untamediona.com/therapy
Send an email to Dr. Sparks’ team if you are interested in working with them: connect@untamediona.com
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness that we strive to demystify for you here, every week on The CIRS Group Podcast. This week we will be concluding our fun CIRSx 2024 recap series - and we’ve saved some of the heaviest talks for last! Today we’re covering Histamine/MAST cell reactivity, the dangers of consuming seed oils, Hyperbaric Oxygen Chamber Therapy, and ADH/Osmolality issues (peeing too much!). We heard some great talks by Dr. Louise Carder, Dr. McMahon, and more - so check out today’s episode to learn our big takeaways from these great talks. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:12 Dr. Louise Carder’s talk on Histamines
3:26 Important takeaways about histamines
4:35 Things you can do if you struggle with histamines
6:00 Histamine support can cause better MSH levels
7:02 Dr. Knobbe’s Seed Oils talk
9:20 Dr. Jim Ryan’s talk about platelets
11:30 Platelets activate differently with CIRS
12:42 Dr. Meyers’ talk on Hyperbaric Chamber Treatment
15:20 Takeaways from this talk: MARCoNs, mitochondrial function, inflammatory markers
16:10 Pressure matters: what Dr. Meyers recommends
18:22 Dr. McMahon’s talk on ADH: Pee all that you can pee
19:25 How to tell if you’re peeing too much
21:50 Kids and bed-wetting
22:39 How to correct ADH/Osmolality issues
24:03 Why The CIRS Group is great (no, really!)
HELPFUL LINKS:
Dr. Louise Carder’s website: https://www.louisecarder.com/
Dr. Chris Knobbe’s book, The Ancestral Diet Revolution: How Vegetable Oils and Processed Foods Destroy Our Health - and How to Recover! https://a.co/d/79KIEEY
Dr. Jim Ryan’s website: https://www.progenedx.com/
Dr. Ryan Meyers’ clinic website: https://www.themovement.clinic/
Dr. Ryan Meyers’ instagram: https://www.instagram.com/docryanmeyers/
US Hyberbarics: https://www.ushyperbarics.co/
Dr. McMahon’s website: https://scottmcmahon.doctor/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness that we strive to demystify for you here, every week on The CIRS Group Podcast. This week we will be continuing our fun CIRSx 2024 recap series - recapping the talks on breathwork, CIRS coaching, and litigation. Yes, you might be able to sue for damage done to your health and your home if someone is responsible for your mold problem! Let’s dive in. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:40 Breathwork talk by Morgan Glodowski
3:04 Research backed benefits of breathwork
5:42 Similarities to Wim Hof
6:44 Creating Healing Momentum by Jenny Johnson and Jane Prescot
7:38 Why you might want a CIRS Coach
9:50 Borrow a non-CIRS brain
12:15 Hope is the biggest correlation to healing
12:54 Resources for CIRS Coaches
13:38 Kristina Baehr, Esq. talk on Litigating Mold
16:05 Suing over mold will help get CIRS recognized
17:00 Questions to ask yourself to determine if you have a case
21:07 Bob McKee, Esq. talk on Raising the Bar
23:05 What to do when insurance denies your claim
23:47 Statute of Limitations
24:45 Proof of toxicity requires dose and duration
26:05 Convince the jury that this could happen to them
27:25 Who is being sued? And should you test your house?
HELPFUL LINKS:
“Sudarshan Kriya Breathwork”
Morgan Glodowski’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/morgan.glodowski/
Jenny Johnson’s website: https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/
Jane Prescot’s website: https://getmymoldylifeback.com/
Christian Navarro-Torres, PhD’s group: https://www.cirslab.com/home
Judy Cho’s group options: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/groups
Find Proficiency Partners (usually coaches) on Surviving Mold’s website: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/surviving-mold-proficiency-partners-diplomates
CIRSx Institute Courses (including coaching): https://institute.cirsx.com/p/courses
SurvivingMold’s Proficiency Partner certification: https://www.survivingmold.com/legal-resources/community/online-proficiency-partners-course
Attorney Kristina Baehr’s website: https://www.well.law/
Previous episode about proper testing: https://youtu.be/bJt6PqFYvPA
Attorney Bob McKee’s website: https://themckeelawgroup.com/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated chronic illness that can affect a quarter of the population if they get exposed to biotoxins. Today, we continue our CIRSx conference recap with some medical talks by Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, Dr. Peg DiTulio, Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres, and Ming Dooley L.Ac. For those of you who have been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, or CFS, be sure to watch until the end for some extra interesting research aimed at your condition (which is most likely actually CIRS). For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:39 Dr. Shoemaker’s talk: passing the baton
3:22 Proper screening: history of exposure
6:03 Tools to show inflammation and exposure
9:00 Keep researching, keep publishing
10:06 Dr. Peg DiTulio and Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres: MSH talk
10:55 Histamine issues are highly underrated in treatment
11:38 MARCoNs matter to raise MSH
12:18 GENIE should include histamines
12:40 As MMP9 goes down, MSH goes up
13:33 Treating Thyroid gets better MSH outcomes
13:49 COVID and MSH
15:05 If you are plateauing consider co-infections
16:04 Ming Dooley: Comparing Shoemaker research with Chronic Fatigue
18:48 EMDR showed promise in one patient with CFS
20:00 Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is CIRS
21:50 17 years to get medical research into the mainstream
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
HELPFUL LINKS:
SAIIE: Sequential Activation of Innate Immune Elements, available for purchase on SurvivingMold.com: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/presentations/saiie-a-health-index-for-people-re-exposed-to-water-damaged-buildings
Dr. Shoemaker’s website: https://www.survivingmold.com/
Dr. Peg DiTulio’s website: https://regenixhealing.com/
Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres’ website: https://www.cirslab.com/
Ming Dooley is a licensed acupuncturist, who works with her husband, an MD, and his website is: https://www.drdooley.net/
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness with a clinically proven, peer reviewed treatment called the Shoemaker Protocol. Every year, doctors certified in the Shoemaker Protocol organize an information packed conference called CIRSx. Today, we are continuing our recap of CIRSx and covering three talks about indoor environment improvements you can do today in your own home to improve your air quality and start healing from CIRS. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:35 Air Oasis talk
5:03 Info on buying an iAdapt 2.0
7:00 Aaron Pettigrew and Chris Foth update
9:55 Don’t slack off and give yourself grace
11:56 The CIRS Project non-profit
14:14 Actinos Update by Dr. Dorninger
16:47 How to manage actino cleaning
20:54 COVID as a priming event
21:14 Actinos are a violent driver of neurodegeneration
21:56 Air Oasis iAdapts seem to help with actino reactivity
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
HELPFUL LINKS:
Where to buy an Air Oasis iAdapt 2.0: https://www.airoasis.com/
Podcast of Air Oasis owner John with IEP Michael Schrantz: https://youtu.be/Ke2fzV9cv-Q?si=ABXfKVcJK3p5bteO
Christian (CIRSLab)’s affiliate code for AirOasis to get 10% off: CIRSLAB10
Chris Foth, Aaron Pettigrew interview with Dr. Dorninger: https://youtu.be/6WxFMhYm2rk?si=zwqpacNTclMtJyCn
Our last actinos episode: https://youtu.be/q-KW5ZXUHVM
Skin test for actinos: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/actino-skin/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
Homebiotic product: https://homebiotic.com/
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is an illness that can affect up to 25% of the population, thanks to genetics and environmental toxins. Today, we continue to recap CIRSx 2024, this time showing our Indoor Environmental Professionals some love! We had some fantastic talks by Michael Schrantz, Bill Weber, and Brandon Apple, plus Dr. Eric Dorninger and Dr. Jari Louhelainen and the topics covered include poop (or endotoxins), indoor air quality, indoor air testing, and the proper sequencing of remediation. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:13 Endotoxin talk by M. Schrantz and Dr. Dorninger
2:15 Endotoxins don’t always smell
2:58 How to test for endotoxins
4:39 DIY tips to deal with Endotoxins
6:30 What to avoid to keep endotoxins at bay
7:29 Air Quality talk by Dr. Jari Louhelainen
9:57 Real time air testing
11:00 The problem with HEPA filtration
11:57 Prevalence of government and leadership cover up
13:44 Mold Sampling Methods talk by Bill Weber
15:00 Air Sampling pros and cons
16:50 When to use air sampling
17:53 Why hire your own IEP or inspector
19:21 Remediation Sequencing talk by Brandon Apple
21:54 Verify after every step - test, test, test
24:00 Lean into your CIRS-literate IEP
25:15 The painful verification process
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
HELPFUL LINKS:
Michael Schrantz’ company website: https://environmentalanalytics.net/
Dr. Doringer’s website: https://drdorninger.com/
Dr. Jari Louhelainen: https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/staff-profiles/faculty-of-science/pharmacy-and-biomolecular-sciences/jari-louhelainen
Bill Weber’s company website: https://avelar.net/articles_publications/team/bill-weber/
Brandon Apple’s company website: https://www.moldsci.com/
Endotoxin test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/e-endotoxin/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
National Company that administers smoke tests: https://www.americanleakdetection.com/
Green Gobbler product: https://a.co/d/9jTf8vW
ERMI Test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/ermi/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
HERTSMI-2 Tests: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/hertsmi-2/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated, multi-symptom, multi-system illness - so why wouldn’t there be an annual CIRSx conference for it?! We had a really great time at CIRSx this year, and this episode is our quick summary of all of it. We talked to lots of doctors, heard a ton of great talks, had a lot of fun and are so happy to be part of this wonderful community. We will do more in-depth, helpful-tip-packed episodes in the next few weeks, but for now, we wanted to give you guys the highlight reel from our weekend in Frisco, Texas. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:10 Travel considerations for those with CIRS
2:10 Hotel moldy vibes
4:10 The DFW airport is not OK
5:21 The Proficiency Partner Program
8:15 Christian Navarro-Torres, PhD was recognized
10:57 Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker’s amazing speech
13:50 The impact of meeting members and listeners
16:21 Exciting interviews coming soon
19:57 Why you shouldn’t have FOMO
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
HELPFUL LINKS:
The CIRSx website: https://www.cirsx.com/
Follow Christian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cirslab
Sign up for Christian’s research-oriented membership: https://www.cirslab.com/
Michael Schrantz’ website: https://environmentalanalytics.net/
Dr. Peg DiTulio’s website:https://regenixhealing.com/meet-the-staff
Amber (and Atlas, the mold sniffing dog) on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_mold_free_yogi/
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a multi-system, multi-symptom illness that affects many (if not all) of the systems of the body, including the ears, aka your Vestibular System. We are very lucky that Jacie has worked in audiology for many years and is now able to share her wisdom and clinical experience with us to help us understand the paths to heal from tinnitus, hearing loss, balance, and vertigo issues, and the inflammation (or injury) at the root of those problems. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:40 Jacie’s background in Audiology
2:15 Why ears and eyes are so sensitive and reactive
4:15 What is Tinnitus?
6:27 Tinnitus caused by bent and broken hair
8:41 The vestibular system, vertigo, the spins
10:00 Meniere’s Disease - testing methods
10:46 Inflammation is the root cause
11:32 Deplaning Syndrome and Epley Maneuvers
14:17 Hearing loss - the sooner you treat, the better your outcome
17:13 Ear and hearing maintenance/cleaning tips for everyone
19:30 Barbara’s embarrassing story
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Follow Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Follow Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
HELPFUL LINKS:
Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test:
Article about Texas Roadhouse owner, Kent Taylor’s health struggles: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/03/22/979929592/texas-roadhouse-founder-kent-taylor-dies-after-struggle-with-post-covid-19-sympt
MindEar app: https://www.mindear.com/
Meniere’s info and testing procedures: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/menieres-disease/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20374916
Canalith Repositioning Procedure/Epley Maneuver info: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/canalith-repositioning-procedure/about/pac-20393315
Fun/frustrating Maze Ball game referenced: https://a.co/d/6WIt3UZ
DMI Baby Nasal Aspirator, Ear Syringe, Clears Airway & Nasal Passages: https://a.co/d/d1KzgWj
Jacie is a 4+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment, which can be found at TheCIRSGroup.com
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a chronic illness that is most often triggered in patients from water damage. Today, we are going to dig into Jacie’s recent experience dealing with a leak in her home and how she mitigated the damage and came out OK on the other side. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:52 Jacie’s adventure with a leak in her apartment
5:02 What to do if you are a renter
6:50 What to do if you’re a homeowner
7:53 Get three bids for a project
9:24 The steps to take when you discover a leak
11:20 Air filters and fans
12:13 Probiotic spray and
14:40 Preventative measures
17:39 Testing afterwards
19:10 Community support
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
HELPFUL LINKS:
Michael Schrantz’ website to hire him as your IEP: https://environmentalanalytics.net/
Air Oasis, use code CIRSLAB for a discount (our friend’s discount code, not ours): https://www.airoasis.com/
HomeBiotic spray: https://homebiotic.com/
Under Sink Mat for Kitchen: https://a.co/d/9zS31k4
Leak Alarm:
Geevon 4 Pack Water Leak Detectors: https://a.co/d/gmH66Uv
Govee WiFi Water Sensor 3 Pack, Water Leak Detector: https://a.co/d/4b2S1Kb
Environmental testing Jacie referred to: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/sm-aeh-actino-endotoxin-hertsmi-2/?v=7516fd43adaa
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is an illness that can cause us to dissociate from our own bodies, as a way of self-protection. If you are far enough along with your healing, it can become important to rebuild that connection and tune in to what your body needs and feels, so that you can heal fully and completely. Today, we dive into this topic, covering some of the challenges of mindfulness as well as strategies and methods you may want to try. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:30 Why mindfulness is so difficult
2:25 The power our brains have over our healing
4:55 Limbic Retraining is an on-going practice
5:54 How to tell if you’re out of touch with your body
7:07 Practice: all you need to do is show up
8:13 The best method is the one you can stick to
9:12 Gratitudes
10:55 Play with the time of day
11:40 Journaling or Morning Pages
13:01 Meditation, choosing identities
14:26 ADHD struggles with mindfulness
15:56 Yoga
17:46 Walking
19:51 How to get started with Mindfulness
20:47 Tracking symptoms
23:12 Practice, not perfect
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
HELPFUL LINKS:
Limbic Retraining episode: https://youtu.be/tTzgIsdYovA?si=S4eS_dytKrK2Yj3r
The Joy Plan book: https://a.co/d/gx82x4B
The Artist’s Way book: https://a.co/d/1u2x3lo
CIRS Meditation practice with Melanie: https://www.instagram.com/meditation4cirs/
Great research on why ADHD makes mindfulness difficult (and how to overcome): https://youtu.be/RFJBwdpSPmU?si=vV__3XUxNc9iYVdP
Yoga with Adriene: https://www.youtube.com/@yogawithadriene
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a chronic illness and the only clinically proven path to healing is through the Shoemaker Protocol. Today, we are tackling the tricky topic of medication and supplement timing. Many CIRS patients, ourselves included, struggle with when to take our binders, when to eat, and when it’s safe to take other meds, so we thought this would be a good topic to dig into. As always, none of this is medical advice. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:48 Supplements and Binder timing can feel overwhelming at first
1:48 Why the binders are so tricky
2:42 Welchol vs CSM and eating fat afterwards
4:40 Thyroid medication and other supplements
5:40 Jacie’s medication/supplement schedule
7:02 Barbara’s medication/supplement schedule
9:45 There are shades of gray - just do your best
11:35 Strategies to implement: timers, reminders, alarms, sticky notes
13:19 Writing meds out like a To Do list
14:10 Phosphatidylcholine tips (and Barbara’s face)
16:04 CSM tips
18:40 Outro
HELPFUL LINKS:
Pill organizer: https://a.co/d/4JbZgQk
Frother/electric whisk for CSM: https://a.co/d/0YWS0jw
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is an illness caused by mold and other biotoxins that affects 24% of the population and only a handful of doctors even know about it. We are so excited to have one of the greats on today: Dr. Eric Dorninger. Dr. D is a CIRS patient himself - he will share more about his and his family’s health struggles, the reasons he fights for his patients’ health, and the magic of healing from CIRS so we can be happy, healthy, kick ass individuals. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:18 Dr. Eric Dorninger’s backstory
8:35 CIRSx and the Holy Trinity of CIRS Healing
9:18 BlueSkyCBD for mood disorders
10:10 Screening for CIRS
13:04 Story of patient healing from CIRS
14:59 Why your doctor’s staff is so important
20:50 What it takes to work with CIRS patients
23:41 Tinnitus in CIRS patients
24:54 The problem with naming diseases
26:30 Dr. D’s podcast The Vitality Hour
29:44 Patient Aaron Pettigrew’s CIRS story
32:39 CIRSx and the importance of environment professionals
37:00 CIRS patients becoming CIRS practitioners
39:37 What the CIRS community should do to spread awareness
41:57 The problem with urinary mycotoxin tests and azoles
44:20 Endotoxin nuggets of wisdom
49:09 Outro and CIRSx excitement
HELPFUL LINKS:
Come to CIRSx! https://www.cirsx.com/
Dr. Dorninger’s practice website: https://drdorninger.com/
Dr. Dorninger on AANP website: https://naturopathic.org/member/drdorninger
BlueSkyCBD: https://www.bluesky-cbd.com/
Dr. D’s podcast The Vitality Hour: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwmPARlXz7FIag_6NPS_uBg
Vitality Hour on tolerating binders: https://youtu.be/omQL_mZrGRM?si=5DtyoM8E4i9I4qfU
Take the CIRSx Courses: https://institute.cirsx.com/
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a chronic illness that occurs in 25% of the population that gets exposed to environmental toxins like mold, red tide, spider or tick bites, and even some vaccines and viruses. Today, we have a special return guest Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres, and we are going off script, away from the clinically proven path for healing from CIRS with the Shoemaker Protocol: Exploring the potential for good that comes in the form of pure Nicotine. This may be a controversial topic - but as always, this is not medical advice! We are exploring the possibilities for treatment in the future and hopefully opening the conversation around alternative methods to help the body recover from CIRS. More research is needed, but it’s fun to play “what if.” For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:24 What is Nicotine?
3:00 Overlap between Nicotine and VIP
4:35 Immunomodulation by both Nicotine and VIP
6:03 Nicotine can stimulate VIP receptors
6:51 Cancer risk with Nicotine use
8:30 Smoking/Vaping vs taking Nicotine in pure form
10:05 Long COVID symptom resolution with Nicotine
15:12 Jacie’s experience with Nicotine
17:25 Christian’s experience with Nicotine
22:13 Barbara’s experience with Nicotine
24:32 Nicotine recommendations: NicNac
26:32 Nicotine dosage
28:13 Arginine supplementation with Nicotine
30:40 Cravings and withdrawal concerns
32:40 Potential in the future for CIRS patients
37:15 Outro
Follow Christian!
https://www.instagram.com/cirslab
Sign up for the CIRSLab newsletter: https://us12.list-manage.com/contact-form?u=81c43ceaa0a2d5b619dcbd6cf&form_id=7c935313230b949627a90f75fcf161e3
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
HELPFUL LINKS:
VIP Spray episode: https://youtu.be/A3YXtkYMnL0?si=mSSC-nwWrYTjFcQ6
NicNac, use Christian’s discount code CIRSLAB: https://www.nicnac.com/
Come to CIRSx: https://www.cirsx.com/
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complex chronic illness that requires a multi-step treatment protocol in order to heal. Today, we dive into taking binders - why take them, what kind to take, why they might cause side effects and what to do to mitigate those side effects. This is not medical advice, always consult your Shoemaker certified practitioner before making changes to your treatment plan. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:22 The Intensification Monster
2:03 What to expect when starting binders
3:58 Why the binders might hurt at first
6:27 Why binder timing matters
8:35 Various binder options: CSM, welchol, okra/beet
11:22 Being in exposure may cause binder side effects
14:58 Low dose VIP Spray
15:26 Lipid Replacement adjustment
15:53 MARCoNs
17:56 Histamine response / MCAS
19:09 Why a Shoemaker certified practitioner is important
HELPFUL LINKS:
Environment testing episode: https://youtu.be/CK0rPJE5Gcs?si=eGQrUHaTKzKEAtmD
GENIE test episode: https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=hB35VTi1jBX3pkZQ
MARCoNs test episode: https://youtu.be/dWJaGdpQKrA?si=mcB8XfJC8cRyKgnz&t=469
Barbara’s MARCoNs testing video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrjNhakttIk/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Histamine/MCAS episode: https://youtu.be/mKoTPC4tBpQ?si=MZ6RB1BFbLpbKy1R&t=1140
Find a Shoemaker Certified Practitioner: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/list-of-certified-practitioners
or a Certified Proficiency Partner: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/surviving-mold-proficiency-partners-diplomates
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/
Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/
Limbic Training Community: https://www.wired4healing.com
Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a chronic illness that affects a quarter of the population (they just might not know it yet). Today, we tackle the very last step of the only clinically proven path to healing CIRS, Shoemaker Protocol, which is Vasoactive Intestinal Peptides, or VIP Spray. VIP Spray is amazing, in that it helps the brain return to normal after inflammation and atrophy caused by CIRS. We dig into the details on how it works, when to use it, and what to expect when using it. This is not medical advice, talk to your doctor to figure out what’s right for you. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:00 The purpose of VIP Spray within the Shoemaker Protocol
2:17 What is VIP or Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide
2:28 VIP blood test
4:00 Why get a NeuroQuant before and after VIP Spray
5:18 The cost of VIP Spray
6:00 Titration and administration of VIP Spray
7:40 Considerations for storing VIP Spray
8:20 Cheaper option for VIP Spray
8:58 The potential risks of VIP Spray
10:55 Jacie’s experience with VIP Spray
13:00 Using VIP to better tolerate the binders
15:20 Barbara’s VIP Spray
HELPFUL LINKS:
Genie test episode: https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=WL_s_yXIpEh_f4uj
NeuroQuant episode: https://youtu.be/aQyU51D7O-c?si=YkTgroEapsSFWSGw
Cheaper option to purchase VIP Spray (to mix yourself): https://www.montroserx.com/
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness with a complex treatment plan. It can be difficult to attain the level of perfection your doctor may require for you to heal. Today we tackle ways to not let perfect be the enemy of good, and hopefully give you some ideas to “still live your life” while you’re trying to heal. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:03 Perfect vs real life
2:15 Location: dry vs humid climates
6:58 Cleaning: Minimalism vs Maximalism
10:40 Diet: Carnivore vs Standard American diet
12:10 Efficiency of treatment through testing
HELPFUL LINKS:
Episode on best way of eating with CIRS: https://youtu.be/jln8kKR5PiE
Episode on environment testing: https://youtu.be/CK0rPJE5Gcs
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness that usually requires costly treatment and remediation. Insurance rarely covers it, and because CIRS can cause us to work less (or less optimally) it turns into a bad cycle. This is why we’ve tackled today’s topic: What you can do for as little money as possible now, while you wait to save up for your first appointment with a CIRS literate practitioner. This episode focuses on OTC options and lifestyle changes you can do, not as a replacement for treatment, but as a way to feel as good as you can before starting treatment. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:27 How to get pretty darn sure of your diagnosis cheaply
4:41 How to eat and supplement while you wait to see a doctor
8:00 Remove yourself from exposure:
8:38 How to “cheaply” improve levels of mold, actinos, endos
11:00 Hidden areas toxins can hide: Fridge, Washing Machine, Drains
13:49 Consider moving, and environment testing
14:38 Lyme
15:57 COVID and vaccines
19:11 Histamine issues and MCAS
19:57 Things to remove: IUDs, birth control, Implants, botox
21:58 Things to add to your life: Sun, movement, sleep
HELPFUL LINKS:
Two options for taking the VCS test:
https://www.vcstest.com/
https://www.survivingmold.com/resources-for-patients/diagnosis/visual-contrast-sensitivity-vcs
Symptom clusters on third slide here: https://www.instagram.com/p/C2rhdMUMjwr/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
History of exposure options on first page: https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=a58887261996f4f05&q=https://www.survivingmold.com/docs/KJohnson_CIRS_ESSAY.PDF&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjwqd-oj9mEAxVsBEQIHSbmCQQQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2euIEAyOFCdRuaLQcUT6bG
Omaprem supplements: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/inflammation/omaprem-spm-fatty-acids
Envirobiomics test most often recommended by CIRS doctors: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/sm-aeh-actino-endotoxin-hertsmi-2/?v=7516fd43adaa
Dr. Peg DeTulio, Lyme specialist: https://regenixhealing.com/home-page
COVID episode: https://youtu.be/lBQ0xi1tHLo?si=-Iw1G6AcAtevp6uz
Surviving Mold write up COVID: https://www.survivingmold.com/legal-resources/dr.-shoemaker-essays/new-research-article
FLCCC protocol: https://covid19criticalcare.com
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is often caused by environmentally based biotoxins like mold, bacteria, and sewage. Less talked about are the co-infections that might reside IN you, like Lyme, dental infections, IUDs, implants, some vaccinations, and now the newest one: COVID-19 as well as the vaccine for COVID. Today, we dig into Jacie’s experience with vaccine and COVID exposure and the protocol she had to do on top of the Shoemaker Protocol to fully heal from CIRS. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro
1:00 Jacie and Barbara’s experience with COVID
3:15 Disclaimer
3:36 Surviving Mold has identified COVID as a biotoxin
4:37 Jacie’s exposure to the COVID vaccine
6:31 Spike Protein Damage Protocols
8:13 CIRS Co-Infections
11:39 TheCIRSGroup.com member experience
HELPFUL LINKS:
SurvingMold.com article/study on COVID: https://www.survivingmold.com/legal-resources/dr.-shoemaker-essays/new-research-article
FLCCC Alliance protocol: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/I-RECOVER-Post-Vaccine-2023-07-24.pdf
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a chronic illness that attacks multiple systems in the body, including the metabolism of energy and digestion of food. The fun side effects can include stubborn weight gain, histamine issues, GI issues, fatigue, and cognitive issues from lack of energy. Today, we’ll dig into why that is and ways of eating you may want to try to help yourself along this complicated healing journey. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:52 Our qualifications
2:45 Our experience with CIRS and carnivore
4:09 Carnivoring harder is not the answer
6:32 Carnivore as a band-aid
8:04 How to eat for CIRS
8:40 Why do an elimination diet
10:15 Hypometabolism and difficulty with ketosis
11:50 GI Issues: why digestive enzymes, butyrate don’t always work
15:01 Low-Amylose, low-mold, AIP diets lead to carnivore
17:07 Why carnivore/keto may not always work for CIRS
21:05 Eat the meat you like, can afford, and makes you feel your best
22:00 How to experiment with carbs
23:10 Weight loss difficulty with CIRS
25:27 Muscle gain difficulty with CIRS
26:33 Leptin resistance
28:20 Hypometabolism and gluconeogenesis
29:19 Mobilizing fat stores can cause worsening symptoms
HELPFUL LINKS:
Resource from Dr. Shoemaker on ways to eat to support healing on this protocol: https://www.survivingmold.com/legal-resources/community/week-of-may-8-2023
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a really complex, confusing illness with a treatment protocol to match. Today, we celebrate FIFTY EPISODES of TheCIRSGroup.com podcast. To celebrate, we offer a retrospective of how far CIRS has come even in the short time we’ve known about it (two years) and where we see it going from here. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:50 When we were first diagnosed vs now
3:50 Judy Cho’s pivotal role in CIRS awareness
5:00 Jordan Peterson interview w/Dr. Shoemaker and Dr. McMahon
7:29 Growing pains in the CIRS space
8:54 CIRSx conference
12:08 TheCIRSGroup.com - then and now
HELPFUL LINKS:
Judy Cho’s website: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/
Judy’s most impactful interview for CIRS awareness: https://youtu.be/-xt-0yJBGTs?si=euJXvOUQ5EcCmPGY
Jordan Peterson interview with Dr. Shoemaker and Dr. McMahon: https://youtu.be/LGG7om1hHcU?si=vX2lnk4eMg8oM1n6
CIRSx recap episodes (playlist): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtFmHRLGI2wHK62Iq4qOQqkxAwE9lkdpZ
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a really complex, confusing illness with a treatment protocol to match. Today, we are tackling a viewer request: other exposure sources besides homes. We’ll talk about what to do if you suspect one of these sources might be keeping you sick: your workplace, gym, salon, roommates, loved ones, and even your pets! For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:36 The first step of the Shoemaker Protocol: remove exposure
1:29 Workplace exposure
3:40 Changing jobs or starting a business as an option
5:56 Vehicle exposure
8:20 Errands, hobbies, salons, gyms
11:18 Other people: roommates, spouses, family, friends
13:17 Pets, animals
HELPFUL LINKS (NOT affiliate!):
ZeroRez for car and carpet cleaning: https://www.zerorez.com/
Defense soap: https://a.co/d/gJj76k4
Defense soap wipes: https://a.co/d/gAjtCp8
Tea Tree wipes: https://a.co/d/3xrcotb
Wipes for dogs: https://a.co/d/8y6uZj8
Study on Staph and dogs: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870875/
Episode we did on dogs w/CIRS: https://youtu.be/6e_IznfWDec?si=n1gj6jNkl4Bf1GIU
Shoemaker’s advice on treatment of dogs: https://www.survivingmold.com/physicians/dashboard/previous-membership-section-questions-and-answers
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is taxing on your body, mind, and spirit. To fully heal from this chronic condition, you need to attack it on all fronts. Today, we’re tackling the mind: Limbic retraining, or rewiring your brain, can actually reduce symptoms and get your mind out of fight or flight and into a relaxed state, primed for healing and wellness. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:43 Jacie’s passion for limbic retraining
3:05 Permission to wait until you’re ready
3:53 Limbic retraining is part of a holistic approach
4:56 What is Limbic Retraining?
8:14 Things that limbic retraining can improve:
8:30 Mood regulation
8:50 Fearing the gene or the biotoxins
9:59 Believe you can heal, desire to heal
10:44 Improving histamine responses
11:10 Get a better baseline, resilience
11:50 Ways of implementing limbic retraining
HELPFUL LINKS:
The Brain That Changes Itself: Stories of Personal Triumph from the Frontiers of Brain Science: https://a.co/d/gSN9SYk
DNRS: https://retrainingthebrain.com/
Gupta: https://guptaprogram.com/
Wired4Healing, where Jacie leads classes: https://wired4healing.com/
Nutrition with Judy’s Mind Body program: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/nwj-mind-body-program
The Joy Plan by Kaia Roman: https://a.co/d/gn5Nyg2
Join The CIRS Group for limbic retraining support: https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness but thankfully certain prescription medications can actually help you heal from it. The medications we discuss today are all used by various Shoemaker certified practitioners for their patients with CIRS. If you are interested in any of these medications, check with your practitioner to see if it might work for you. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:25 Biotoxin Binders: Cholestyramine, Welchol
4:53 Consideration for binder reactivity, and non-prescription option
6:00 MARCoNs treatments: BEG, EDTA, Xlear, Silver
8:46 MARCoNs spray for treatment in dogs
10:54 VIP spray
14:35 Low Dose Naltrexone for pain and low mood
16:11 Cromolyn for MCAS or histamine issues
HELPFUL LINKS (not affiliate!):
Mycobind: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/immune-support/mycobind
Xlear: https://a.co/d/gosaTiV
Xlear with Coptis: https://waldenfarmacy.com/product/coptis-nasal-spray/
Argentyn 23: https://a.co/d/ejtPaGN
ACS spray: https://a.co/d/3sEVpSw
Dogs and CIRS episode: https://youtu.be/6e_IznfWDec?si=dmiX7m76pC0ZhRje
GENIE episode: https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=FsbE1cddXvBoFZds
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
This one hurts, guys. But it’s important. CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can be a painful, isolating, debilitating illness. Today, we’re sharing stories our members allowed us to bring to you so you might understand CIRS a little better, or at least find empathy in your heart for those that suffer with it. And if you have CIRS, then I hope this validates your experience, even if no one in your life does. Despite the pain and sadness, we hope this is a message of hope for healing. It will get better, healing is possible. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com.
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
3:00 Tobey
3:57 Chad
4:28 Rosie
5:16 Missy
6:21 Gabriella
6:42 Gerald
7:04 Gloriana
8:15 Chike
9:05 Natascha
9:43 Kimberly
10:30 CIRS Mom
11:53 Chase
12:27 Ariel
13:27 Dorothy
13:42 Terrance
14:27 Tiffany
14:46 Kirk
15:40 Alyssa
16:44 Wrap up
For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a deeply impactful illness. It has changed us, but we think for the better. Today we’re exploring what having and healing from CIRS has done to our mindsets, relationships, and goals. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:46 Forced focus on health and healthy relationships
2:42 CIRS re-prioritized the most important things
4:20 Lifestyle changes to support healing
6:40 Developing empathy for invisible illness
9:40 Ready for opportunities - willing to sacrifice
11:56 Doing hard things doesn’t mean they aren’t hard
13:25 Seeing CIRS everywhere
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness, but the first and most important step towards healing is ensuring you have a clean environment, free from mold and other biotoxins. Today, we’re tackling why this is so important and how to test to be sure your home and workplaces are safe for you. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:49 Biotoxins: Mycotoxins, Endotoxins, Actinos
02:49 Why test your current environment
03:48 Why a clean environment is important for your healing
06:02 Environment tests you can do yourself
07:18 Where you should test: home and work
07:46 Why use the #7 test
08:49 GENIE testing
10:22 Addressing all biotoxins is important
11:22 How to do the Envirobiomics test
16:20 Trash bag hack
17:59 Getting refunds on tests you can’t use or don’t use
21:00 Interpretation of your test results
22:53 Why we don’t do affiliate codes
HELPFUL LINKS:
Previous episodes on safe environments and testing:
CIRSx recap on safe environments: https://youtu.be/MXV3S3oL22M?si=1l6P0p7XWA2Njn7Z
CIRSx recap on remediation: https://youtu.be/mREuhpzHUV4?si=tOhV-0lbJF2G4MKp
What are Actinos? https://youtu.be/q-KW5ZXUHVM?si=P3YVZRZcF0igUUqQ
Envirobiomics: https://www.envirobiomics.com/
7 test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/sm-aeh-actino-endotoxin-hertsmi-2/?v=7516fd43adaa
GENIE episode: https://youtu.be/bCNp9qNqWWc?si=alS0JfldcxylTfu7
Mold testing Reel: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ci0TlRDp3_n/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness, and it can be hard to get your family and friends on board with it. Today we’re tackling how to deal with both unsupportive and supportive relationships, and what that can mean for your healing. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:59 Developing empathy from this illness
3:10 Non-supportive relationships
3:59 Barbara’s story of building emotional walls
7:44 Establishing boundaries - why and how
13:00 Toxic Positivity
15:15 Benefits of couples therapy
21:00 Getting that support from The CIRS Group
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness. Thankfully, there are specific blood markers you can test to confirm whether or not you are suffering from this illness. Today, we’re going to take you through each of these blood markers and what they mean when they’re out of range. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:33 Why these blood markers matter
2:15 MMP9
4:32 VEGF
8:03 TGF-b1
10:49 MSH
17:03 C4A and C3A
18:30 Tips about getting your blood drawn
Helpful Links:
Hoffman Center resource for what the blood markers mean, how it manifests in your body and proper treatment: https://hoffmancentre.com/chronic-inflammatory-response-syndrome-cirs-evaluation-and-treatment/
Biotoxin Pathway: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cz4B3gKpVIn/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a complicated illness. Thankfully, the folks at ProgeneDX have created an in-depth and new test to take that can actually measure the up and down regulation of your genes as a result of CIRS, and even identifies the biotoxins responsible for the inflammation and symptoms you’re experiencing. This can be a great tool for people to get specific about their type of exposure and better tailor their treatment plan. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
2:50 The purpose of the GENIE test and when to do it
5:10 How much does the GENIE cost
6:26 The GENIE test is a snapshot in time
7:41 How the GENIE can help you focus your remediation efforts
8:30 Concerns around the GENIE test interpretation
11:10 GENIE test vs NeuroQuant
12:08 Why Barbara got the GENIE test
13:13 How to get the GENIE test
19:48 Jacie’s great summary of all the stuff Barbara said
22:12 Extra tips for dealing with this test
Info on the GENIE test: https://www.progenedx.com/
Dry Ice locator: https://dryicedirectory.com/
(but I bet most big chain grocery stores have them, just call ahead or stop by and ask)
Barbara’s reel for getting the GENIE test done: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy6Blq1xOmF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is something both Barbara and Jacie have been struggling with for over a year. Since their diagnoses in April of 2022, a lot has happened! Barbara will be sharing her triumphs and setbacks as she now explores endotoxin elimination as the missing piece to healing her gut. Jacie talks about resolving her autoimmune flares, re-exposure while traveling, and how she has reached the final step of the protocol, VIP spray. Spoiler alert: she has already experienced complete symptom resolution with the Shoemaker Protocol! We’re excited to share this example of proof that the protocol works. For more information, support, and resources in your own CIRS healing journey, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
1:00 Barbara’s CIRS health backstory
2:09 GI issues and MARCoNs persisted, MSH wasn’t high enough
3:25 New practitioner, taking the GENIE test
4:58 Endotoxins vs other biotoxins
6:05 Why get the GENIE test, and how to clean for Endos
7:09 Barbara’s plan
7:20 Las Vegas is not okay PSA
9:05 Barbara’s update wrap up
9:57 Why Barbara is delaying VIP spray
11:45 Jacie’s takeaway from Barbara’s health journey
12:45 Jacie’s CIRS health backstory
13:40 Jacie’s biggest lever for healing - removing exposure
15:09 Autoimmune flare: Uveitis, plus travel
16:48 Long COVID or vax injury, spike protein damage protocol
17:59 Jacie’s experience with VIP spray (Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide)
19:00 Re-exposure, switching providers, and next steps
21:10 Why NueroQuant may help with VIP treatment
21:34 Resiliency and symptom resolution even before VIP
22:16 Joint and eye damage slowly reversing
25:05 Jacie’s mental and physical state in 2022 vs now
26:13 Jacie’s takeaway: your body wants to heal
27:19 Genesis 50:20
Barbara’s first health update: https://youtu.be/EG5aovrSSYw
Jacie’s first health update: https://youtu.be/tHeNVVzRyTA
Info on the GENIE test: https://www.progenedx.com/
IEP that Barbara used: https://environmentalanalytics.net/
Spike Protein Damage Protocol: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/I-RECOVER-Post-Vaccine-2023-07-24.pdf
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is an illness of inflammation - and a lot of the symptoms of PMS, PMDD, periods, cramps, etc. are the result of inflammation too. When they get together at that time of the month, things can get rough. Today we wanted to take a closer look at why that is, and what you can do to deal with those symptoms better as you continue to heal. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
The period tracking app Jacie and Barbara both use, not an affiliate link: https://flo.health/
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is your body’s immune system going haywire over some biotoxins it’s not able to eliminate. This havoc can really damage your body - and unfortunately, peeing on a stick (or in a cup) is probably not going to help you chill out your immune system and heal all the downstream effects. We want to save you time and money by explaining why the bad advice out there for “mold illness” and “mold detoxing” is bad, and why other advice is good, so we hope you enjoy and learn from today’s episode. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
2:16 Mycotoxin Urine Analysis Tests
4:00 Test bloodmarkers instead
5:05 Jacie’s rant about what actually is going on with CIRS
7:47 Binders: charge matters
9:42 Removing yourself from exposure - cleaning matters
18:35 Even the doctors are still learning
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
It’s that time again! Barbara and Jacie take your CIRS questions live! CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, is a multi-symptom, multi-system illness that can wreck havoc on your health. Today we are doing a live Q&A to let people ask us their most pressing questions about CIRS, CIRS treatment, management of symptoms, and anything moldy. We cover diet, brain scans, MCAS, POTS, GAPS, emotional trauma, Lyme, and more!
To join our online support community, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:52 Welcome to The CIRS Group Fall 2023 Webinar
1:25 What is The CIRS Group?
2:50 Why air samples are not sufficient for CIRS patients
4:40 Best way to time taking supplements and binders
7:00 When to take the VCS test
9:10 Treating Lyme or other exposures with CIRS treatment
11:15 Elhers Danlos Syndrome
12:00 MCAS or Mast Cell Activation Syndrome
15:33 NueroQuant and memory loss
18:22 How long it took Jacie and Barbara to feel better
21:53 Peripheral Neuropathy - why it happens and tips for management
24:30 Thyroid medications and binder timing
25:02 Cromolyn Sodium for MCAS
25:54 How to get a NeuroQuant MRI
27:05 International TCG members and resources
28:00 How to order a NeuroQuant
28:36 Psyllium husk vs okra and beet binders
29:35 What can you do now while waiting to start treatment
32:15 Taking okra or beet supplements in the meantime
33:17 POTS: Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome
34:37 Carbs and their potential role in managing CIRS
36:30 GAPS diet
37:38 Breaking the cycle: Pushing and Crashing
41:27 Benefits of processing emotional trauma
44:47 Advice managing co-infections and autoimmune
47:00 Working with Nutrition with Judy
51:38 Oxalate concerns
52:35 Concerns around colonoscopies
LINKS
Surviving Mold Indoor Environment Testing
https://www.survivingmold.com/docs/Inside_Indoor_Air_Quality.PDF
NeuroQuant info at Survivingmold.com:
https://www.survivingmold.com/resources-for-patients/diagnosis/neuroquant
International practitioners and resources:
https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/international-practitioners
Work with Nutrition with Judy: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, often manifests as cognitive difficulties and decline - and those issues can feel a lot like ADD / ADHD. Many people who have CIRS may have symptoms that mimic ADHD, and some may actually have both. We wanted to dig into what those similarities and differences are, tips on symptom management and healing, and get a better idea of what’s going on in the brain with either of these conditions. We do hop around a lot in this episode - Barbara takes full responsibility for her ADHD taking us on a bit of a ride. :) For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro and disclaimer
0:55 Christian’s intro and his upcoming workshops
2:40 How Barbara found out she had ADHD
3:33 What is ADHD?
7:43 Impulsivity in decision making and finances
8:20 Struggles with goals, prioritizing, and planning
8:50 Emotional dysregulation
9:02 Hyperfocus and lack of focus control and why
11:45 Why you may have problems with emotions
12:42 Quick definition of comorbidities
14:04 How ADHD and CIRS overlap
15:40 What is Working Memory?
17:34 How CIRS may exacerbate ADHD symptoms
18:40 Fun examples of how our brains are different
20:19 Research on ADHD and CIRS
21:25 Prevalence of ADHD and CIRS, and dangers of being undiagnosed
23:10 How healing from CIRS might reveal ADHD
24:20 What parts of the brain are affected
28:05 How ADHD and CIRS affect the brain
29:40 Balance and movement as ADHD treatment
32:57 The CIRS and ADHD overlap and what it might mean
34:17 How to get diagnosed for ADHD
35:05 Clinical vs subclinical ADHD
36:13 Is ADHD just CIRS?
38:30 How to live with ADHD
43:27 Possible thyroid dysfunction with ADHD
44:19 More tips for managing ADHD
Christian’s account CIRSlab on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cirslab/
Sign up for Christian’s CIRS newsletter: https://us12.list-manage.com/contact-form?u=81c43ceaa0a2d5b619dcbd6cf&form_id=7c935313230b949627a90f75fcf161e3
Recommended resources for ADHD:
TedxTalk Barbara referenced about life with ADHD: https://youtu.be/JiwZQNYlGQI?si=H2N7uUz1kB_ZgIh5
Online test to find out if you have ADHD (similar to the one Barbara took): https://add.org/adhd-test/
Actual questionnaire Barbara filled out with her psychiatrist: https://add.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/adhd-questionnaire-ASRS111.pdf
Delivered from Distraction book: https://a.co/d/8L9my3D
ADHD 2.0 book: https://a.co/d/fhnlQdJ
How To ADHD YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@HowtoADHD
Russell Barkley, PhD YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@russellbarkleyphd2023
TimeTimer: https://www.timetimer.com/pages/adhd
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Can you live a normal life with CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, aka Mold Illness? Even a life that includes travel, spending time with family, visiting friends, and going out to eat? We think you can! But there are tools, tips, tricks, and things to consider - and we try to dig into as many as possible in this episode. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro
0:43 Healing for the first time vs re-exposure
2:15 Disclaimer: this is not medical advice
2:37 Making memories vs risking exposure
4:38 Develop your spidey senses after you heal
6:30 Shout out to Wild Pastures in Boulder, CO
7:50 Different symptoms can reappear with exposures
8:56 Re-exposure during the protocol is more painful than after
10:56 Travel tips with CIRS
12:10 Florida is not ok, and head buzzing is weird
14:13 We hope this helps you let go and enjoy yourself
15:15 CIRS doctors might hate us right now
16:08 The decision you make now can be temporary
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, aka Mold Illness, can be hard to deal with. This is true for any chronic or autoimmune based illness. But you don’t need to do it alone! Today we’re talking about the benefits of community: connection, safe space to speak freely, advice and suggestions, direction towards resources - so many things!
Over at the CIRS Group, we are planning on adding quite a bit of awesome this month:
- Not one, but TWO group calls per month
- A monthly live class + Q&A on an aspect of CIRS (recording and replay available to members only)
- Additional new content - extended interviews and more controversial topics not safe for YouTube or Instagram
We definitely think you should join us. That said, we’re not the only group in town - we talk about a couple of our favorites and encourage you to find the one that is right for you (or two, or three!). Helpful links below. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro
0:31 Loneliness as an indicator for health decline
1:23 The ease of communication with people who get it
4:00 Using others’ anecdotal stories for your own benefit
5:10 Finding hope in others’ stories of healing
6:22 The CIRS Group now offers classes
7:00 Other benefits: Questions, sharing wins, group calls, resources
7:54 Find a community that resonates with you, mix and match flavors
10:05 Nutrition with Judy, Judy Cho’s CIRS Support Group
13:38 Jenny Johnson’s CIRS Support Group
16:22 Some doctors have groups too
17:01 Let us know our ice cream flavors
Join Barbara and Jacie’s TheCIRSGroup.com support group:
https://www.thecirsgroup.com/
Join the NutritionwithJudy.com CIRS support group: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/nwj-client/cirs-group-support
Join Jenny Johnson’s CIRS Healing Collective support group:
https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/cirs-healing-collective
Or Jenny's 12 week program:
https://simplifiedwellnessdesigns.com/equipped-to-overcome-cirs
Jacie is a 4 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 3 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking with Olivia Farabaugh about CIRS Fest 2023, her journey with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, aka Mold Illness, the CIRS Support Fund she co-founded with Malachi’s Message. Lots of great links below, please check them out to support Olivia’s amazing work.
CIRS Fest 2023 is on October 29th at 12:30pm in Dallastown, PA. Tickets are only $5! https://malachismessage.org/cirs-fest-2023/ for more info.
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro
1:04 Why Olivia started the CIRS Support Fund
3:52 CIRS Fest 2023 info
5:37 Hope Lives Here
7:05 The diagnosis is a path forward
8:30 The CIRS Support Fund Mission
9:50 How to support the CIRS Support Fund
11:00 How to support CIRS Fest 2023
12:38 Olivia’s music and mission
15:55 How Olivia helped Jacie and Barbara
17:25 The Silver Lining of CIRS
19:10 How to follow Olivia Farabaugh
HELPFUL LINKS:
Donate to the CIRS Support Fund: https://malachismessage.org/cirs-support-fund/
CIRS Fest 2023: https://malachismessage.org/cirs-fest-2023/
Olivia’s website: https://oliviafarabaugh.com/
Follow Olivia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/oliviafarabaughofficial
Follow Olivia on Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Farabaughmusic
Follow Olivia on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@oliviafarabaugh
Olivia’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@OliviaFarabaugh
Learn about Olivia’s health journey on the Nutrition with Judy podcast: https://youtu.be/Y5Be4DgmMDI?si=atoCS3gGrs-gYvy6
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Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re very excited to have Dr. Alan Gruning on our podcast. We get to ask him some follow ups to his interview with Judy Cho (see links below to watch that interview), and dig deeper on his recommendations for doing the Shoemaker Protocol on a budget. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 Intro
01:49 Where to find Dr. Gruning
04:25 Remediation on a budget
10:31 Finding/creating a safe space to live
19:30 Lyme and Long Covid protocol
24:00 Fixing issues adjacent to CIRS
26:30 CIRS, trauma, and total mind-body healing
28:34 Treating CIRS on a budget - bloodwork and binders
32:57 VIP on a budget and alternatives
37:05 Dr. Gruning's CIRS charity work and Christian CIRS Network
Dr. Gruning’s wonderful interview with Nutrition with Judy: https://youtu.be/28_b7nLwX4U?si=9gadY-Y8AHx5aYkW
Dr. Gruning’s website: https://fibromyalgiafoprtmyers.com
His free clinic site where you can donate: https://christianmedicalministries.org
The Christian CIRS Network: https://cirsnetwork.com
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re doing one more CIRSx recap, and this time we are covering the Shoemaker Protocol - the only treatment clinically proven to heal Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, or CIRS. We heard some fantastic talks on this topic, and we’re excited to share. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 Intro
01:09 Screening for CIRS - Dr. Eric Dorninger, ND, LAc
07:00 The Anti-Inflammatory Benefit of the Carnivore Diet - Judy Cho
12:50 The Immunomodulatory Effects of Camel Milk for CIRS Patients with ASD - Jodie Dashore, PhD, OTD, MSc
14:56 Coagulation CIRS and GENIE - James Ryan, PhD
18:32 Understanding Immune Response Genetics - An HLA Deeper Dive - Scott McMahon, MD
21:49 Osteopathy as an Adjunct Therapy for Those with CIRS - April Vukelic, DO, IFMCP
26:18 TheCIRSGroup.com
Helpful links:
Dr. Eric Dorninger’s website: https://drdorninger.com/
Judy Cho’s website: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/
Dr. Jodie Dashore’s website: https://bionexushealth.com/
Dr. Jim Ryan’s website: https://www.progenedx.com/
Dr. Scott McMahon’s website: https://oasisnm.com/
Dr. April Vukelic’s website: https://www.recoverfrommold.com/
Find an osteopath: https://www.academyofosteopathy.org/find-omm#/
The Art and Science of CIRS: https://a.co/d/5unsa7X
Physician’s guide to understanding and treating biotoxin illness: https://www.survivingmold.com/legal-resources/works-citing-dr.-shoemaker/a-physicians-guide-to-biotoxin-illness
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
We are continuing our CIRSx conference recap today, this time specifically deep diving on all the talks given around remediation! Remaining in exposure is one of the biggest hurdles for people trying to heal from CIRS when caused by mold, so today we cover some great tips and details we learned at CIRSx from the experts. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 Intro
01:09 Why Buildings Fail to Protect Our Health by Paula Baker LaPorte
01:30 Effect of codes, regulations and US home building practices
02:28 Three major causes for issues in the home
03:38 Six reasons homes are mold-prone
04:38 Four major sources of mold
06:55 The southeast US is challenging, but no place is perfect
07:50 Protocol for home building
09:38 How to mitigate mold during the build process
12:00 Plumbing damage prevention
13:45 Features to include in your home build
14:37 Building biology - impact on mental health
17:17 My Very Own Sirewall by Ming Dooley
17:55 DIY vs Hiring help
20:04 Benefits of sirewall as a building material
20:51 House Hunting with CIRS Jennifer Schrantz
22:05 Tucson love
23:10 Jennifer is a resource for references for CIRS-conscious realtors
23:33 Inspections
25:55 How to refine your home search
27:35 Rapid fire tips for your home search
31:18 How to find a great realtor
32:00 Outro
Our CIRSx recap part one:
https://youtu.be/-Dv1e_4Cm0Q?si=UbJnxulDfKYa9BUh
Part two:
https://youtu.be/vQdkxCV1FNs?si=ArSwefv8pqMKyPIy
CIRSx recap on remediation:
https://youtu.be/mREuhpzHUV4?si=C5pnERIgQxE1TUFr
Prescriptions for a Healthy House, 4th Edition: A Practical Guide for Architects, Builders and Homeowners by Paula Baker-Laporte, John C Banta: https://a.co/d/45updCm
Example of a water leak detector (w/wifi): https://a.co/d/gKlBEJc
Example of a water shut off valve (w/wifi): https://a.co/d/cAY2sDI
Example of a water heater drain pan: https://a.co/d/ejDpJGv
Example of a dishwasher appliance liner: https://a.co/d/gyJjFf2
Example of under sink liner: https://a.co/d/jbcxHZk
Ming Dooley on SurvivingMold.com: https://www.survivingmold.com/legal-resources/physician-referral-information/dr-ming-dooley
Sirewall: https://sirewall.com/
Jennifer Schrantz’ website: http://jennifertucson.com/
IEP Radio: Episode 25, Buying a Home with Jennifer Schrantz: https://youtu.be/9B-rmeZH2Ws?si=4Uc1HNrXpf8Z_OOj
Episode 9, Home Inspection Basics and things to consider when renting with Dr. Eric Dorninger: https://youtu.be/F1TCRQEYajs?si=jV251Go_3OnE6RPk
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
We are continuing our CIRSx conference recap today, this time specifically deep diving on all the talks given around remediation! Remaining in exposure is one of the biggest hurdles for people trying to heal from CIRS when caused by mold, so today we cover some great tips and details we learned at CIRSx from the experts. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 00:00 Intro 02:21 A protocol for remediation: CIRSx Work Plan: Cindy Edwards 3:20 Case study of how remediation can go poorly and how to do it right 5:40 Steps of Cindy’s protocol 7:58 Why cutting corners may not be the right move 10:06 NextGen Sequencing: More than Actinos: David Lark 10:39 Why actinos cleaning is a good idea 13:26 GENIE Test 14:32 Slaying Water Damage Dragons - A Patient Experience with WDB: Chris Foth and Aaron Pettigrew 15:20 Why project managers may be needed for CIRS treatment 16:34 In Pursuit of Underlying Causes of Contaminated Buildings: Brandon Apple 18:46 Why remediation is an investigation 19:35 Why you shouldn’t just rely on ERMI or HERTSMI-2 scores 21:23 Using Peptide Bonds and Proteins to Monitor Cleanliness: John Banta 23:06 Even Holy Water Supports Mold: Michael Schrantz and Bill Weber 25:00 IEPs: Columbo for water 28:50 Dust Mites: So Uncontroversial, it's Mostly Forgotten Carl Grimes 31:27 Historical vs Modern Dust Greg Weatherman 32:50 Controversy over horizontal or vertical collection for testing 33:54 Barbara's Remediation Takeaways: Rot vs decay for insurance 34:52 OSB sucks, Plywood is better 35:27 Stone materials need to weep 36:16 Endotoxins: homesteading is a risk 37:05 Clean, clean, clean and clean some more
Mold Illness: Surviving and Thriving by Cindy Edwards, et al.: https://a.co/d/5MHn4PN or official website: http://survivingandthrivingbook.com/ Info on the GENIE test: https://www.progenedx.com/how-does-this-help Places to look for an IEP, though these certs do not guarantee their aptitude: International Society for Environmentally Acquired Illness: https://iseai.org/ American Council for Accredited Certification: https://www.acac.org/ Brandon Apple’s website: https://www.moldsci.com/ John Banta’s website: https://www.johncbanta.com/ Michael Schrantz’s website: https://environmentalanalytics.net/about-us/ Bill Weber’s contact info: https://avelar.net/articles_publications/team/bill-weber/ Carl Grimes’ published research on dust mites: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24267359/ Greg Weatherman’s website: http://www.aerobiological.com/
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
We attended CIRSx 2023 and learned a ton of new info and are bringing you the highlights today! We had to split up the whole CIRSx weekend into two parts, and here is part two! For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 00:00 Intro 00:58 Even Holy Water Supports Mold - Mike Schrantz and Bill Weber 03:13 Erythromelalgia and Peripheral Hypoperfusion - Dr. Lysander Jim 04:04 Stop Coronary Disease: Live Longer, Live Better - Dr. Bill Blanchett 05:26 Dust Mites: So Uncontroversial It's Almost Forgotten - Carl Grimes 07:03 Cyanobacterial Toxins as a Risk Factor for Neurodegeneration - Dr. Elijah Stommel 08:18 Coagulation and GENIE - Dr. James Ryan 09:24 Foundations Training with Jesse Salas and Dr. Goodman 10:51 Understanding Immune Response Genetics: Deeper Dive into HLA - Dr. Scott McMahon 11:52 Historical vs Modern Dust - Greg Weatherman 12:35 Osteopathy as an Adjunct Therapy for Those with CIRS - Dr. April Vukelic 14:42 Holy Water Pt 2 - Mike Schrantz and Bill Weber 15:10 House Hunting with CIRS - Jennifer Schrantz 17:09 Benzo Induced Neurologic Dysfunction - Dr. Christy Huff 19:21 Outro
CIRSx website: https://www.cirsx.com/2023-cirsx-annual-conference
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
We attended CIRSx 2023 and learned a ton of new info and are bringing you the highlights today! We had to split up the whole CIRSx weekend into two parts, so here is part one! For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 00:00 Intro 00:30 CIRSx overall impressions 04:00 Screening for CIRS - Dr. Eric Dorninger 07:05 Why Buildings Fail to Protect our Health - Paula Baker La Porte 08:17 My Very Own Sirewall - Ming Dooley 10:19 CIRSx Workplan - Cindy Edwards 11:43 The Anti-Inflammatory Benefit of the Carnivore Diet - Judy Cho 13:45 NextGen Sequencing: More than Actinos - David Lark 16:45 The Immunomodulatory Effects of Camel Milk for CIRS Patients with ASD - Dr. Jodie Dashore 19:30 New Neurological Applications of GENIE, Neuroquant, and ALS - Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker 20:25 An Integrative Approach to Parkinson's - Dr. Laurie Mischley 24:38 Slaying Water Damage Dragons: A Patient Experience - Chris Foth and Aaron Pettigrew 27:30 In Pursuit of Underlying Causes of Contaminated Buildings - Brandon Apple 29:40 Using Peptide Bonds and Proteins to Monitor Cleanliness - John Banta 30:31 Join us next week for Part 2!
CIRSx website: https://www.cirsx.com/2023-cirsx-annual-conference
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about CIRS and pets! Specifically, dogs and horses, and why this might affect you as a human with CIRS. This is a topic that’s near and dear to our hearts because Barbara’s dog, Rosie Cotton, very likely suffers with CIRS, or at least staph infections (MARCoNs). For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 0:00 Intro 0:48 Disclaimer: there’s not much info out there 1:05 Barbara’s experience with vets and CIRS 2:19 Horses and CIRS and Uveitis 3:33 Staph Infections, or MARCoNs, and dogs 5:05 Why you need to clear MARCoNs 5:26 Conditions of Dogs more likely to have staph colonies 6:17 What are actinos or actinomycetes? 7:14 25% of humans in the study had staph 8:09 Study on dogs with cholestyramine 9:05 Why vet intervention may be important, even for humans 9:27 Things you can do to minimize exposure with pets 11:48 Join us at TheCIRSGroup.com
The study re: dogs, staph, and their owners: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870875/
Our podcast episode on actinos: https://youtu.be/q-KW5ZXUHVM
Study re: dogs and cholestyramine: https://cgejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40575-021-00099-x
ASPCA info on using cholestyramine for dogs: https://www.aspcapro.org/resource/what-know-about-cholestyramine-resin-and-pets
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about signs you might have CIRS. 1 in 4 people - that’s 25% of the population! - are genetically predisposed to having CIRS, or chronic inflammatory response syndrome, which means they are unable to process biotoxins out of their body if/when they encounter those biotoxins. Today we dig into some weird, random symptoms you might have that could point you towards CIRS as your path to root cause healing. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 0:00 Intro 0:26 Why we think you should look into CIRS 2:37 Resources if you think you might have CIRS 2:53 Frequent headaches/migraines 3:30 Genetic issues - “it runs in my family!” 4:00 Excessive static shocks 4:25 Frequent urination, excessive thirst 5:01 Plantar Fasciitis 6:30 When carnivore is a bandaid 7:37 OCD, depression, anxiety 8:15 Hair loss 8:50 Muscle Cramps, electrolyte imbalances 9:40 Night sweats, dizziness, POTS 10:31 Forgetting why you walked into a room 11:07 Struggling to read 12:29 Histamine reactions, Mast Cell Activation Syndrome 13:05 Carnivoring harder 13:51 Pregnancy loss, severe PMS and menopause symptoms 15:57 Endometriosis, autoimmune conditions: Crohn's, Hashimoto's, Ulcerative Colitis, Lupus, Psoriasis, Celiac 18:28 Maybe she’s born with it, maybe its biotoxins 19:10 Remove yourself from exposure and see how you feel 20:06 Look into it, why not? 21:49 Biohacking your way to wellness, closet full of supplements 23:10 Join us at TheCIRSGroup.com
Our Instagram post about the symptom clusters: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs1T3U9tXQU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== VCS test: https://www.vcstest.com/ Bloodwork: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/lab-work/mini-chronic-inflammatory-response-syndrome-cirs-testing Our episode with Christian re: the Neuroquant and how CIRS affects the brain: https://youtu.be/aQyU51D7O-c
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about how CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, affects the brain. We can determine the effects using a special kind of MRI, called a Neuroquant. To help us explore this fun topic, we’ve invited Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres from the CIRS lab!
TIME STAMPS 00:00 Introduction 00:30 Welcome, Christian! 01:00 What is CIRSLab? 01:30 Online Workshop July 9th 02:00 Coaching 02:42 Christian's Academic/Professional Background 03:40 Christian's CIRS Journey 05:30 Christian's Academic Research and its connection to CIRS 08:30 How many languages does Christian speak and why is Jacie bad at English 10:07 Is the ability to learn languages nature or nurture? 12:45 Intro to the Neuroquant 13:00 What is CIRS? 17:00 What is a Neuroquant? 20:00 How long does it take to get the results? 21:00 Where can you get the Neuroqant done? 21:40 Can the Neuroquant determine the biotoxin you are reacting to? 23:10 Neuroqant and Alzheimers 23:54 You have a tiny hippocampus jokes 24:23 Neuroquant as a stand alone diagnostic tool 25:15 What is the GENIE? 25:36 Associations between the Neuroquant and the GENIE? 26:05 How do they diagnose CIRS using the Neuroquant? 27:00 COVID and CIRS 27:40 Scoring the Neuroquant 29:30 We talk ignorantly about golf for too long 31:40 What kind of scores do we see in CIRS patients? 33:30 Why you need a qualified professional to interpret your results 35:25 What changes can you expect to see in the Neuroquant after going through CIRS treatment? 37:40 VIP and changes to the brain structure 40:51 Volume improvements after treatment 42:10 Other benefits of VIP, including resolving PTSD 43:05 VIP removes memory traces of CIRS at a neuron level 45:15 Nuances to brain volume measurements 48:30 Smooth brain jokes 48:50 Where to find more from Christian 51:10 The most chaotic outro ever
Links CIRSLab Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cirslab/ Online Workshop: https://www.instagram.com/p/CuLTGcHpqRc/ Where to find the Neuroquant: https://www.survivingmold.com/mold-symptoms/neuroquant-locations VIP Effects on the Brain: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80873-2
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about tips for traveling with CIRS - choosing where to go, what to bring with you, what medications can help, and what to ask your practitioner before you go. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 1:20 Why you can be more normal after treatment 2:34 Considerations for travel - make it easy 4:08 Call ahead re: water damage 4:53 Find out the age of the building 5:36 Travel items: binders, VIP, air purifier 6:18 Getting ice packs through TSA 8:20 Worrying is not helpful, instead be aware 9:45 Work with your practitioner on a plan 11:14 Re-take the VCS test 12:59 Join The CIRS Group for more resources
VCS test: https://www.vcstest.com/
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about Phase 5 of the Shoemaker Protocol: Repair and Restoration. This phase includes correcting MMP9, C3a and C4a, and TGF-beta 1, and taking Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide, or VIP, Spray. The Shoemaker Protocol is the only clinically proven and peer reviewed method for treating Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 0:25 Phase 5: Maybe the most exciting 2:00 This phase is about Repair and Restoration 2:49 Correcting MMP9 5:43 Correcting C3a and C4a 6:24 Correcting TGF-beta 1 8:48 VIP Spray 10:13 Jacie’s experience with VIP Spray 12:03 Barbara’s experience with VIP Spray 13:09 Why you may want to track your symptoms 13:45 Reasons to join The CIRS Group
Jacie is a 3.5+ year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a coach, facilitator, speaker, 2.5+ year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, about chronic inflammatory response syndrome visit: https://thecirsgroup.com
Thank you to everyone who joined our Q&A webinar, if you are here to watch the replay, you can preview the questions using the timestamps below.
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR8Uj-d_fok
Resources Mentioned: - Judy Cho/Mike Schrantz Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmiWxtEOuH0&t=0s - CIRS Lab Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cirslab/ - Dr. Dorninger's Practice: https://www.rootsandbranchesacupuncture.com - My House Makes Me Sick Haplotype Calculator: https://www.myhousemakesmesick.com/hlacalc/
TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro 00:25 Who we are 03:10 What is The CIRS Group 03:36 Should I heal my gut before healing CIRS? 07:10 Can you talk about finding CIRS friendly housing and make air purifier recommendations? 08:39 Do you have to get rid of all your belongings to prevent exposure? 11:40 How do you know if you have MARCoNS? 13:33 Does too much detox too early cause more symptoms? 16:05 Have you tried coffee enemas to help with detox? 17:03 What is the difference between ERMI and HERTSMI? 18:23 Small particle cleaning 19:03 Do you recommend EC3 fogging after remediation? 20:57 What is the connection between dental health and CIRS? 22:54 How do you find your haplotypes? 23:39 How much oxalate are in the okra/beet supplements? 25:10 Are CSM and Welchol the only binders that can move the needle for CIRS? 27:37 How to manage anxiety around exposure? 29:05 Would you recommend a parasite cleanse? 31:19 Can mosquito bites cause CIRS? 32:21 How does CIRS impact metabolism? 35:52 How can I feel better before starting treatment? 37:55 What are high IGg allergies, what are these? 39:08 What symptoms can improve after taking CSM? 40:06 Can CIRS cause autoimmune issues? 41:25 Can fasting help with inflammation? 43:12 How concerned should we be about exposure in rivers? 44:19 Is it common to have more than one CIRS haplotype? 45:52 How do you deal with the impact of CIRS on social situations? 49:52 What is VIP spray? 51:18 How much do VIP spray and the binders cost? 51:50 Why is VIP spray the last step? 52:16 How do you get rid of brain fog? How long is the protocol? 54:22 Any thoughts on why some providers recommend clearing staph while others do not? 55:13 What strategies help minimize exposure for you? Cleaning protocols? 58:40 Outro
Thank you for joining us!
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about Phase 4 of the Shoemaker Protocol: Metabolism Repair. This phase includes detox, balancing hormones, and balancing electrolytes. The Shoemaker Protocol is the only clinically proven and peer reviewed method for treating Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 0:19 Phase Four: Metabolism Repair 1:00 Step One: Detox and how to handle with CIRS Treatment 3:10 Liver Support 3:35 Step Two: Balancing Hormones 5:30 Advocate for yourself in your treatment 6:33 Step Three: Balancing Electrolytes 9:17 Wrap up: Phase Four can be done in tandem with other phases
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about Phase 3 of the Shoemaker Protocol: Toxic Load Reduction. This phase includes the binders, treating MARCoNs, and treating the gut. The Shoemaker Protocol is the only clinically proven and peer reviewed method for treating Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS: 0:20 Barbara and Jacie’s favorite phase 0:51 First step of this phase: Binders 2:49 Barbara’s experience on the binders 3:59 Jacie’s experience on the binders 5:08 Welchol and Cholestyramine 7:10 On a scale of Welchol to Phosphatidylcholine 7:48 Step two of this phase: treating MARCoNs 9:13 Barbara’s experience treating MARCoNs 10:34 Methods of treatment and re-exposure 12:33 Dogs and CIRS 13:12 Test for MARCoNs before you move on to the next step 14:40 Do whatever you need to do to feel better 16:16 Gantt chart style treatment 17:58 Outro
MARCoNs test: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/functional-tests/marcons-testing Gantt Charts: https://www.smartsheet.com/s/online-gantt-chart-b
Jacie is a carnivore (since 1/1/20), certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, a carnivore (since 1/1/21) and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about the second phase of the Shoemaker Protocol, the only clinically proven way to treat CIRS or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. The second phase includes Lipid Replacement, Limbic Retraining, and removing yourself from exposure.
TIME STAMPS:
0:38 The Shoemaker Protocol: Phase 2, the Foundation Phase
1:50 Lipid Replacement
4:10 Happy CIRSiversary to us
4:28 How to do lipid replacement
8:34 Limbic Retraining
14:00 Stuck in a rut
14:27 What can you do right now
14:41 Removing yourself from exposure
16:48 General hatred of Florida
18:20 Removing yourself from exposure is hard, but so worth it
19:55 How to test your home and/or workplace
21:20 Lyme, Red Tide, Long COVID
23:36 Bonus step: Do whatever it takes to feel good
DNRS: https://retrainingthebrain.com/
Gupta Program: https://www.guptaprogram.com/
The Joy Plan: https://kaiaroman.com/book/
Envirobiomics #7 test: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/sm-aeh-actino-endotoxin-hertsmi-2/?v=7516fd43adaa
ISEAI article on finding an IEP, or Indoor Environmental Professional:
https://iseai.org/finding-the-right-indoor-environmental-professional-to-assess-your-home/
Look up a CIRS practitioner here: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/list-of-certified-practitioners
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about the first phase of the Shoemaker Protocol: Diagnosis. The Shoemaker Protocol is the only peer-reviewed, clinically proven treatment for Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, aka CIRS, aka Mold Illness.
TIME STAMPS:
0:10 Diagnosis is the first phase of the Shoemaker Protocol
1:12 Step One: Symptom Clusters
2:46 Step Two: Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test
5:58 Step Three: Bloodwork
9:43 When you hate getting your blood drawn
10:53 LapCorp or Quest? Just stick with one
12:40 Why join TheCIRSGroup.com
Symptom Clusters (go to third slide):
https://www.instagram.com/p/CetvZvYpc0i/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test (vcstest): https://www.vcstest.com/
Judy’s mini CIRS test:
https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/lab-work/mini-chronic-inflammatory-response-syndrome-cirs-testing
Judy’s full CIRS test:
https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/shopping/lab-work/chronic-inflammatory-response-syndrome-cirs-testing
Jacie is a 3.5 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2.5 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Today we’re talking about genes - the genetic haplotypes that predispose you being susceptible to CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. For more information, visit TheCIRSGroup.com
TIME STAMPS:
0:28 Genetics aren’t good or bad
1:00 Ancestors of people with CIRS may have been genetically able to survive the black plague
3:07 Why identifying your haplotype can help your recovery and treatment
4:10 Biotoxins are biotoxins
6:16 The Dread Pirate Roberts
6:30 Recap of the various haplotypes
8:02 Genes can be turned on and off
8:45 Testing for CIRS can allow you to better protect your kids
9:25 Be the example for your family
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Actinos! How could something that sounds so cute be so sinister? Today we do a deep dive on this trendy new kid on the block in the CIRS world. We dig into what they are, why they matter, and what can be done to mitigate the damage they cause.
TIME STAMPS:
0:35 Barbara strikes fear unnecessarily
1:07 Deep dive actinos with Larry Schwartz
2:00 Why actinos are trending in the CIRS space
2:56 There are good and bad actinos
3:37 Why your home can be worse for actinos than outside
4:38 Cleanliness is key
6:00 What you can do to minimize actinos
7:20 Vaccum with a HEPA filter
8:08 Body wash, exfoliation
10:03 Ancestral practices better for people with CIRS
11:10 This is just another lever to pull
12:26 How to make life easier with CIRS
Link to interview with Larry Schwartz about Actinos: https://www.betterhealthguy.com/episode171
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
https://thecirsgroup.com
Bonus illnesses? Heck yeah! There are 37 symptoms in the official CIRS diagnosis cluster list, but that doesn’t mean additional symptoms, illnesses, and syndromes don’t pop up quite often in people who are suffering from CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. Here we talk about some common ones to look out for. Do you have any of these?
TIME STAMPS:
0:24 Jacie’s bonus illness: Ankylosing Spondylitis
0:41 Barbara’s bonus illnesses: SIBO or Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth and Alopecia Areata
2:15 The Symptom Clusters for CIRS Diagnosis
3:08 If conventional medicine can’t cure you, or if you have an autoimmune illness, look at CIRS
3:45 Jacie’s Uveitis, when doctors rename your symptoms or say Idiopathic - RUN
5:14 Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, SIBO, PCOS, migraines
6:00 The Carnivore community and CIRS: Carnivore-ing harder doesn’t work
7:35 Histamine Reactions and Mast Cell Activation Syndrome, or MCAS
8:18 Don’t worship at the idol of Carnivore - but its still the best way to eat
11:15 Trouble losing weight? It might be CIRS
12:05 Oxalate dumping
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
For more information, about chronic inflammatory response syndrome visit: https://thecirsgroup.com
Thank you to everyone who joined our Q&A webinar, if you are here to watch the replay, you can preview the questions using the timestamps below.
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 intro and welcome
03:38 how long did it take to get from the first to last step of the protocol?
05:40 is mold the only biotoxin that can trigger CIRS?
07:00 why can't you do all the steps at the same time?
08:15 what weird symptoms are related to CIRS? teeth and dental issues?
11:10 do you remain carnivore for your autoimmune conditions or for other reasons?
12:40 can you "cure" CIRS just by leaving the bad environment?
13:40 is there one singular blood marker that can identify CIRS?
15:59 how do you know when it is appropriate to ask your employer to remediate vs seek new employment?
17:50 what is VIP?
19:00 do people experience tendon/ligament pain with CIRS?
20:15 can you heal with binders while living in mold?
22:45 is there a state you would recommend as safest to live in?
24:45 should we expect to be on binders indefinitely?
26:00 if you have the low msh haplotype, is it impossible to have normal msh levels?
26:45 does MTHFR have any correlation to CIRS?
27:47 is welchol less constipating than cholestyramine?
28:55 what do you recommend for constipation on carnivore when higher fat doesn't work?
30:15 why would welchol make me feel like I am losing my mind?
31:20 did you experience sleep disturbances while on the binders?
33:00 have your GI issues improved with CIRS treatment
35:40 why does CIRS cause sleep issues?
36:25 if I am on a mold toxicity protocol should I also pursue CIRS treatment?
38:20 I am waiting to start CIRS treatment, is there anything I can do to start feeling better now?
41:45 does VIP reverse autoimmune conditions like hashimotos?
42:35 why did the binders make me feel worse than before I started them?
43:15 do reservatol and curcumin help lower tgfb1 and c4a?
44:20 what is a good indicator to see if the binders are working?
45:58 does having the lyme haplotype increase your potential to have the mold haplotype?
46:54 can you heal from CIRS without treating Lyme first?
47:15 does carpet hold onto mold?
48:10 what is the timeline of healing and what does "cured" look like with CIRS?
50:20 where is a good place to learn about the basics of CIRS?
50:55 how do you find a CIRS provider near where you live?
51:50 how much are the binders per month without insurance?
52:25 does CIRS treatment also heal co-infections?
53:30 what is the best carnivore diet for healing?
54:40 is there a correlation between vitamin d and msh?
55:25 can carnivore make you feel worse?
56:38 is there any research regarding the effectiveness of vitamin d supplements vs sunshine?
57:18 will I ever lose weight with carnivore?
59:00 what is the deal with muscle spasms on CIRS?
59:48 what other histamine reactions can you get from sun exposure aside from a rash?
01:00:00 I bruise easily, could this be CIRS?
01:02:45 since going through CIRS treatment, have you returned to a "normal" mental state
01:04:00 thank you for joining!
For more information, visit: https://thecirsgroup.com
We do see a lot more women joining our group, but CIRS does not discriminate! Today we tackle how CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, aka Mold Illness, affects men differently than it affects women (or does it?).
TIME STAMPS:
0:20 Are women more impacted by chronic illness than men?
1:58 Men and women experience CIRS pretty similarly
2:23 The symptoms may present differently between the sexes
3:00 How and why CIRS affects your hair
4:08 Libido and Erectile Dysfunction
7:07 Procreate, fill the earth, make some babies
9:01 CIRS is treatable
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
Catch Jacie and Barbara on Judy Cho's podcast to learn more about their health journeys and why they started The CIRS Group: When Carnivores are Affected by Mold Illness - Jacie Gregory & Barbara Williams - https://youtu.be/CR8Uj-d_fok
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer. Barbara is a business coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together they co-founded The CIRS Group to help people struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
https://thecirsgroup.com
What is the best way to eat to support your healing journey? If you have CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, there are some important things to keep in mind. Today we’ll talk about how we eat and what we’ve seen work best for people. For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer. Barbara is a business coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together they co-founded The CIRS Group to help people struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
https://thecirsgroup.com
There are a few very important medications, supplements and modalities to take/try in your CIRS healing journey. We break down some of the more important ones (and less important ones) to help you determine which could make the biggest impact for you. For more information, visit https://TheCIRSGroup.com
Which Biotoxins are responsible for the inflammatory reaction our body creates when we are susceptible to CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome? We cover all the major, possible sources in this episode. For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Finding a CIRS certified practitioner is easier than you think. Here are some helpful tips and tricks to finding one that is right for you and your healing journey.
For more information, visit https://thecirsgroup.com
In this episode, we cover all the various degrees and methods of getting diagnosed with CIRS. There are cheap, at-home tests you can take, but then there are also expensive tests that must be ordered by your CIRS practitioner. We cover the benefits and limitations of each. To join The CIRS Group or for more information about it, please visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer. Barbara is a business coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together they co-founded The CIRS Group to help people struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie's health took a turn for the worst in mid 2021, when she suddenly experienced a chain of terrible symptoms like plantar fasciitis, uveitis, GI issues, and was diagnosed with non-radiographic axial ankylosing spondyloarthritis, and was told it was a reactive arthritis (which means her AS was triggered by something), but turns out she actually had Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome the whole time. To join The CIRS Group or for more information about it, please visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Barbara discussed how her SIBO diagnosis led her to carnivore, which led her to CIRS and CIRS Treatment. She provides words of encouragement to others suffering with leaky gut, SIBO, IBS, or any other chronic GI issues.
To join The CIRS Group or for more information about it, please visit https://thecirsgroup.com
Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer. Barbara is a business coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Together they co-founded The CIRS Group to help people struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
https://thecirsgroup.com