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In this episode, Rob and Jason explore the diversity of church styles, the importance of community and participation, and how different worship environments can still honor God and foster growth. They share insights from their experiences visiting various churches and reflect on what truly makes a church effective.
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Dwight Smith - Renovation: A Survey on Divine Design in the Life of the Church
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In this episode, Ruth Perry shares her journey from a traditional church background to becoming an advocate for women's leadership in the church, emphasizing the importance of listening, love, and biblical integrity in resolving church conflicts.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and guest introduction
341:37:07 Rob and Jason discuss aging and health challenges
6694:23:56 Introduction of Ruth Perry and her ministry
11694:24:03 Ruth Perry's background and call to ministry
20222:11:00 Church conflict and family division
26722:11:21 Deconstruction of complementarian beliefs
33277:44:57 The importance of women’s voices in church leadership
41638:51:57 Biblical hermeneutics and cultural influences
496111:05:38 Listening as a key to reconciliation
583333:19:32 Strategies for conflict resolution in churches
666388:53:05 God’s calling and empowerment for women
748611:06:40 Final thoughts on love, listening, and leadership
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Join Rob and Jason as they celebrate over four years of podcasting, sharing insights on church trends, leadership, worship, and the importance of focusing on Jesus in ministry. They explore the evolving landscape of the American church, the tension between tradition and innovation, and how to lead with purpose and character.
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Chapters
00:00 Celebrating 4 Years of Podcasting
3305:30:56 Reflections on Guest Appearances and Content
6749:57:45 The Importance of Consistency in Ministry
10277:44:34 Trends in the American Church: Hope and Challenges
13166:38:01 The Rise of Younger Generations in Faith
18694:24:59 Church Growth: Long-term Faithfulness vs. Quick Wins
24722:11:49 The Role of Character and Leadership in Growth
36277:45:28 Balancing Tradition and Innovation in Worship
448611:05:47 The Centrality of Jesus in Church Life
585277:46:13 The Danger of Religious Legalism and Pharisaic Attitudes
668055:33:05 The Power of Love and the Gospel in Ministry
750555:33:20 Encouragement for Pastors and Leaders
766111:06:40 Resources and Next Steps for Churches and Leaders
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In this episode, Yvonne Carlson from ExploreGod shares how digital evangelism and AI are transforming discipleship and outreach. Discover how technology can be used to connect people worldwide with the gospel and foster long-term spiritual growth.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
02:38 Yvonne's Unique Faith Journey
05:43 Exploring Explore God: Mission and Technology
08:14 The Role of AI in Digital Evangelism
11:03 Measuring Spiritual Growth and Transformation
13:31 Human Connection in Digital Discipleship
16:35 AI's Role in Connecting with Seekers
19:15 The Future of Discipleship and Scaling Efforts
23:11 Online Missionaries and Their Training
26:33 The Importance of Discipleship
29:31 Future Aspirations for Explore God
32:28 The Journey of Finding Jesus
36:57 Hope in Technology and Collaboration
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In this episode, Jacob Payne shares his inspiring journey from a life of rebellion to becoming an evangelist dedicated to equipping believers to share their faith effectively. Discover practical tools, biblical insights, and the importance of authentic evangelism rooted in love and the Holy Spirit.
Connect with Jacob at https://www.everybelieverawitness.org/
00:00 Introduction and Context
02:37 Jacob Payne's Journey to Faith
05:29 The Mission of Every Believer a Witness
08:37 Challenges in Evangelism
11:07 Cultural Barriers to Sharing Faith
14:14 Overcoming Fear and Apathy in Evangelism
16:48 The Importance of Relationship in Witnessing
19:46 The Role of Love in Evangelism
23:05 The Power of Love in Sharing the Gospel
25:52 The Importance of Personal Testimony
27:19 The Role of the Holy Spirit in Evangelism
33:53 Navigating Personal Stories and Evangelism
39:32 The Impact of Church Growth on Evangelism
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In this episode, Kenyada Meadows shares insights on leadership, board effectiveness, and the importance of humility and self-awareness in organizational success. Discover practical strategies for boards and leaders to align with their mission and foster a culture of challenge and check.
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Key Topics:
The distinction between governance and management
The importance of challenge and oversight in boards
How humility and vulnerability enhance leadership
Strategies for effective board evaluation and success
The impact of self-awareness and emotional intelligence in leadership
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene
02:51 Kenyatta Meadows: A Journey of Self-Discovery
05:48 The Hollow Man: Emotional Suppression in Men
11:05 Leadership and Balance: The New Alpha
16:52 Evaluating Success in Leadership and Boards
18:28 Effective Board Governance
20:48 Navigating Board Dynamics
23:11 Understanding Board Responsibilities
25:00 The Role of Governance vs. Management
28:28 Characteristics of a Successful Board
31:10 Finding Your Organization's Guiding Principles
34:34 Aligning Mission with Higher Calling
36:50 Sources of Hope in Leadership
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Join us as we explore the challenges and opportunities in modern church leadership, focusing on intentionality, relational evangelism, and church growth strategies with Doug Parks from Intentional Churches.
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In this engaging interview, Steve "Moby" Leitch shares his personal journey from addiction to faith, emphasizing the importance of authenticity, self-care, and purpose in leadership. Discover practical insights for pastors and leaders to live intentionally, serve effectively, and foster community through vulnerability and spiritual discipline.
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Join Rob and Jason as they explore the messiness of ministry, personal health, and maintaining boundaries. They share candid insights on handling life's challenges, the importance of long-term discipline, and practical tips for pastors to sustain their calling.
resources
The Contemplative Pastor by Eugene Peterson
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Church Talk Podcast
01:40 Personal Health Journey and Reflections
06:00 The Long-Term Process of Health and Growth
11:51 Spiritual Growth and the Grind of Ministry
17:40 Consumerism in Church and Ministry Expectations
20:27 Navigating the Messiness of Ministry Relationships
21:21 The Value of Ministry Work vs. Other Professions
23:08 The Challenges of Ministry and Relationship Building
26:37 Navigating the Messiness of Ministry
30:41 Finding Balance and Healthy Boundaries
37:07 Setting Boundaries for Longevity in Ministry
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In this engaging panel discussion, pastors Adam Crain, Rob Paterson, and Jason Allison explore the critical importance of mental health, self-care, and spiritual rhythms for church leaders. They share personal stories, practical advice, and biblical insights to help pastors sustain their calling and thrive in ministry.
Resources
ShepherdingCare.org
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Join Rob and Jason as they celebrate 200 episodes of the Church Talk Podcast, share exciting updates about launching their YouTube channel, new website features, and their ongoing mission to equip and encourage pastors and church leaders. Discover their insights on leadership, faith, and staying true to their mission amidst challenges.
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In this episode, Rob and Jason explore the importance of living intentionally, managing busyness, and prioritizing meaningful relationships and purpose. They share personal stories, practical tips, and reflections on how to live life on purpose despite life's distractions.
resources
Full Focus Planner - https://fullfocusplanner.com/
Church Talk Project Website - https://churchtalkproject.com/
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview
01:53 Updates on Church Talk Project and Partnerships
05:38 Navigating Busy Seasons in Ministry
10:11 Reflecting on Life's Priorities
14:22 The Importance of Presence and Relationships
18:03 Embracing Life's Tensions and Uncertainties
20:32 The Power of Time and Consistency
26:46 Living on Purpose vs. Living for the Moment
30:03 The Importance of Connection and Relationships
34:53 Planning for Progress and Embracing Imperfection
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In this engaging interview, Jeff Miller from Christian Ghost Writing shares insights into the world of ghostwriting, especially for pastors and church leaders. Discover how ghostwriting can serve as a powerful tool for authority building, message amplification, and ministry impact, while also exploring the process, costs, and ethical considerations involved.
Find out more about Jeff & ghostwriting!
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Light Banter
02:52 Introducing Jeff Miller and Ghostwriting
06:17 The Writing Process and Importance of Ghostwriting
09:43 How Ghostwriting Works: The Process Explained
13:51 The Art of Writing in Someone Else's Voice
18:06 Different Engagement Models for Writing
21:00 Publishing Insights and Market Realities
27:09 The Purpose of Writing a Book
36:05 The Role of Ghostwriters in Publishing
40:04 Navigating Church Hurt and Leadership
50:21 The Impact of Writing on Ministry
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In this episode, pastors Jason and Rob explore the complex topics of financial stewardship, cultural perceptions of wealth, and the importance of accountability in ministry. They share personal stories, practical advice, and biblical insights to help pastors navigate their financial decisions with integrity and purpose.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Conversation
02:31 Navigating Technology and Personal Spending
06:37 Pastors and Perceptions of Wealth
11:34 Accountability in Ministry Spending
16:40 Investing in Personal Well-being
19:34 The Role of Compensation in Ministry
24:00 The Value of Fair Compensation for Pastors
24:56 Cultural Perspectives on Pastor Compensation
26:06 Honoring Spiritual Leaders in Different Communities
28:24 Accountability vs. Scrutiny in Ministry
32:27 Practical Steps for Addressing Underpayment
35:55 Navigating Salary Expectations in Ministry
43:26 Generosity and Financial Stewardship in Ministry
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In this episode, Rob and Jason discuss the importance of humility, strategic ministry, and cultivating wisdom in leadership. They share personal stories, practical tools, and spiritual insights to help pastors and leaders navigate the challenges of ministry with grace and effectiveness.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview
02:51 The Importance of Connection in Ministry
05:27 Curating Genius: Collaborating for Greater Impact
08:22 Navigating the Pressure of Leadership
11:05 The Role of Humility in Leadership
16:51 Wisdom and Humility: A Powerful Combination
22:10 Navigating Loss and Regret
26:20 Decision-Making in Ministry
30:21 Living in the Spirit's Guidance
33:52 The Tension of Pride and Humility
37:59 The Challenge of Busyness and Inadequacy
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Join Jason, Rob, and guest Joshua Sorrows as they explore church planting, leadership, overcoming challenges, and the importance of multiplication and vision in ministry. Discover practical insights and inspiring stories to fuel your faith and leadership journey.
Joshua Sorrows and his wife Sara have 3 young boys and moved to Conway, SC to plant Harvest Church in 2022. The church is seeing tremendous Kingdom impact with almost 150 new believers coming to faith over the last few years. Joshua is very excited to report that 60% of those decisions to follow Jesus came outside of a Sunday gathering. Joshua recently earned his Doctorate.
Action Items:
- Share your story of redemption with your congregation
- Focus on multiplying leaders and disciples, not just attendance
- Develop a clear vision and filter all activities through it
Chapters
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
02:29 Meet Joshua Soros
04:28 Call to Ministry and Early Experiences
06:49 Navigating Challenges and Failures
11:27 The Importance of Vulnerability in Leadership
18:00 Measuring Success in Church Planting
19:53 Measuring Effectiveness in Ministry
27:10 Navigating Challenges in Church Planting
35:12 Exciting Future of Ministry and Discipleship
40:30 The Importance of Vision and Consistency in Ministry
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Moving from Activity to Discipleship: Insights from Vic Green and Robbie GallatyIn this episode, Jason and Rob discuss the essential nature of authentic discipleship in the church, emphasizing that activity does not automatically lead to transformation. Our guests, Vic Green, CEO of Replicate Ministries, and Robby Gallaty, pioneer in discipleship movement, share practical insights to help churches foster genuine spiritual growth and movement.
Key topics:
- The myths that hinder effective discipleship in churches, including the "equipping myth" and "engagement myth"
- Why measuring activity (attendance, programs) isn't enough for true discipleship
- The importance of defining a "dream disciple" tailored to your church's context
- How local culture, community, and leadership convictions shape disciple-making
- Jesus’ model of personalized, relational discipleship versus mass activity
- The pace and patience required for sustainable movement and spiritual renewal
- Practical steps to move beyond passive teaching to active training for multiplication
- The significance of personal revival and leadership renewal in cultivating a disciple-making culture
Resources & Links:
- Movement Ready Church by Vic Green & Robbie Gallaty
- Replicate Ministries
- Robbie Gallaty
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Join us as we revisit inspiring insights with JD Walt, a renowned Bible teacher and pastor, who shares his journey of faith, the importance of personal connection with Jesus, and practical wisdom for pastors and church leaders. Discover how living in the Spirit transforms ministry and life.
Seedbed - Seedbed
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This podcast features Gary Smith, a seasoned church planter and leader, discussing innovative strategies to combat church decline, revitalize congregations, and ignite a movement of church planting and renewal across North America and Canada. Key topics include the root causes of church decline, the six-step church planting pathway, and practical ways to re-engage communities with the gospel.
Gary is a passionate catalyst for advancing the Kingdom of God through disciple-making, church planting, and dynamic churches that transform communities. With 37 years of ministry experience across the US & Canada, Gary has served as a pastor, missionary, and church planting leader.
Gary serves as the Church Planting Director with Alliance New England, Northeast Regional Church Multiplication Coordinator with the Christian and Missionary Alliance, and Senior Master Trainer with Dynamic Church Planting International. He and his wife, Sue, live in Quincy, Mass. They have 4 grown children who continue the family’s legacy of faith and service.
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Chapters
00:00 Welcome to Church Talk Podcast
02:20 The Infiltration of Ministry in Daily Life
03:59 Introducing Gary Smith: Church Planting Expert
06:02 Gary's Journey in Church Planting
07:47 Cultural Differences in Church Planting
11:10 The Power of the Gospel in Hard Soil
12:41 From Dying to Dangerous: The Book
16:19 Root Causes of Dying Churches
20:49 Reallocating Resources for Mission
21:42 Connecting Church Planting and Revitalization
22:50 Fishing for People: The Core Mission of the Church
25:54 Revitalizing the Church: The Defibrillator Metaphor
28:01 The Church Planting Pathway: Six Steps to Success
35:29 Building Bridges: Connecting with the Community
43:03 From Dying to Dangerous: A New Vision for the Church
46:03 CTP Outtro.mp3
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In this engaging episode, Rob and Jason host Whitman Matt, author of 'The Lightning Fast Guide to the Bible' and creator of the '10 Minute Bible Hour' channel. They explore practical ways to understand and teach the Bible, the importance of accessible resources, and how to deepen your biblical knowledge effectively.
A Lightning-Fast Field Guide to the Bible by Matt Whitman
The Ten Minute Bible Hour YouTube Channel
The Ten Minute Bible Hour website
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates
02:39 Introducing Matt Whitman and His Background
05:39 Exploring Church Planting and Pastoral Experiences
08:44 Matt's Journey and Family Legacy in Faith
11:20 The 10 Minute Bible Hour: Concept and Execution
14:15 The Importance of Accessibility in Biblical Teaching
17:00 Understanding the Bible's Appeal to Diverse Audiences
20:00 Encouraging Questions and Engagement with Scripture
22:39 Advice for Newcomers to the Bible
23:51 Building Connections in Ministry
24:49 Getting Up to Speed on the Bible
29:38 Introducing the Lightning Fast Field Guide
34:22 Understanding the Structure of the Bible
42:30 Choosing the Right Bible Translation
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In this engaging conversation, Jason Allison and Dale Sellers explore the importance of authentic friendships among pastors, the challenges of leadership, and strategic decisions for church health and growth. They share personal stories, insights on mental health, and practical advice for building resilient ministry teams.
Contact Dale about 95Network
Dale's conversation with Bob Hamp
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In this episode, Rob, Jason, and guest Reagan VanSteenis discuss legal, governance, and insurance strategies for churches. Reagan shares insights on building strong church foundations, legal best practices, and practical tips for pastors to protect their ministries.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
01:01 Rob's Road Trip and Connectivity Challenges
01:56 Guest Reagan VanSteenis Rejoins from Florida
03:27 Introducing the Strong Churches Movement
04:40 Legal Foundations: Governance and Board Structure
06:37 Child Safety and Insurance Considerations
07:39 Retirement Planning and Pastor Benefits
09:32 Church Resources and Financial Strategies
11:06 Tax and Retirement Savings for Pastors
13:03 Success Stories and Impact of Retirement Planning
16:15 The Strong Churches Program Details
18:35 Legal and Insurance Resources for Churches
20:18 Board Governance and Conflict Resolution
22:33 Common Legal Pitfalls in Church Setup
25:09 Balancing Pastor Authority and Board Accountability
27:47 Scriptural and Legal Governance Alignment
31:06 HR and Staff Management in Churches
33:08 Handling Church Discipline and Grace
33:34 Legal Challenges and Insurance Claims
39:19 Church Insurance Audit and Coverage Tips
41:50 Business Income and Church Continuity
42:18 Final Thoughts and Program Sign-Up Details
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the balance between church activities and meaningful outreach. They explore the concepts of faithfulness, fruitfulness, and flourishing in ministry, emphasizing the importance of evaluating church programs and aligning them with the church's vision and values. The conversation highlights the need for churches to prune ineffective activities to focus on what truly matters, ultimately encouraging leaders to abide in Christ for true growth and effectiveness.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a deep conversation with Doug Bullock, author of 'New Dawn'. They explore the themes of longevity and impact in ministry, the emotional challenges faced by retiring pastors, and the importance of planning for a smooth transition into retirement. Doug shares insights from his own journey and emphasizes the need for churches to support retiring pastors, helping them to flourish in their new roles. The discussion highlights the significance of processing pain, maintaining relationships, and the potential for retired pastors to continue contributing to their communities.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason delve into the significance of Lent, discussing its impact on personal and communal spiritual growth. They explore the concepts of fasting and feasting, emphasizing the importance of sacrifice in both personal lives and church ministry. Through personal anecdotes, they illustrate how sacrifices can lead to greater clarity and purpose in ministry, urging listeners to revisit their vision and adapt to the changing needs of their communities.
Check out the Seasons of Seven article that the guys referenced from Clarity House.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason discuss the importance of collaboration in ministry, the need for palate cleansers in relationships, and the significance of engaging with the community for personal renewal. They emphasize the necessity of creating healthy rhythms in life, including the practice of Sabbath as a time for replenishment. The conversation highlights the value of joyful activities and the encouragement needed for those who may feel troubled in their lives.
Chapters
00:00 Excitement for Upcoming Events
02:54 The Importance of Collaboration in Ministry
05:33 Palate Cleansers in Ministry
08:16 Finding Balance in Stressful Times
11:03 The Value of External Relationships
14:03 Community Interactions and Their Impact
20:11 The Joy of Community Engagement
22:53 Finding Balance Through Leisure Activities
26:13 Establishing Healthy Rhythms in Life
28:16 The Importance of Sabbath and Rest
31:08 The Purpose of Lent and Spiritual Reflection
34:52 Embracing Our Troubles and Worth
39:42 The Value of Every Individual in Community
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a candid discussion about the challenges and opportunities facing church leaders today. They explore the concept of a 'cloud in a box' to illustrate how churches can collaborate effectively within a network. The conversation delves into the importance of reassessing church structures, understanding different levels of church health, and the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding leadership decisions. They emphasize the need for flexibility in planning, the significance of addressing timely needs within congregations, and the value of listening to communities for effective outreach. The episode concludes with reflections on the balance between individual needs and organizational goals, and the importance of wisdom in leadership.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob Paterson and Jason Allison engage in a lively discussion with guest Paul Pavao about his faith journey, the importance of the gospel, and the call to follow Jesus. They explore the challenges of church gatherings during inclement weather, the significance of personal testimony, and the need for a deeper understanding of evangelism that emphasizes the resurrection of Jesus. The conversation also touches on the concepts of eternal security and the importance of living a life of obedience to Christ.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a heartfelt discussion about the challenges faced by pastors and church leaders, particularly during the busy holiday season. They reflect on the recent loss of a mutual friend, Matt Thompson, who was a dedicated and loving figure in their community. This leads to a broader conversation about the importance of genuine relationships in ministry and the need for pastors to embody love and faithfulness in their leadership. They emphasize that while structures and systems in churches are necessary, they should not hinder the mission of loving Jesus and serving others.
The conversation transitions into a critical examination of church structures and leadership dynamics. Jason shares insights from a recent meeting where they discussed the correlation between pastor tenure and church health, highlighting the need for long-term leadership to foster healthy congregations. Rob and Jason explore the balance between accountability and empowerment in church leadership, advocating for a model that supports leaders while ensuring they remain aligned with their mission. They conclude with a call to action for church leaders to seize opportunities for ministry and not wait for the perfect moment to act, emphasizing the urgency of responding to God’s calling in their communities.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason engage in a thought-provoking conversation with Steve Cleary, the executive director of Revelation Media. They discuss Steve's journey to faith, the importance of visual media in ministry, and the innovative projects he is leading, including the iBible and Mission Honey initiatives. The conversation emphasizes the need for accessible Bible resources and the creative approaches to reaching diverse communities with the gospel.
Find out more about Revelation Media and Mission Honey.
Chapters
00:00 New Year Reflections and Resolutions
02:40 Introducing Steve Cleary and His Journey
05:43 The Impact of Visual Media in Ministry
08:32 Revelation Media: A New Approach to Bible Distribution
11:10 The iBible Project: Engaging the Next Generation
13:50 Mission Honey and Innovative Outreach Strategies
16:48 Transforming Lives Through Media and Technology
25:56 The Vision Behind iBible
26:39 Timeline and Goals for Completion
27:36 The Need for Visual Media in Bible Distribution
28:52 Gospel for Everyone 2033 Initiative
29:47 Collaborative Efforts in Translation
31:32 The Importance of Accessibility in Scripture
33:21 Innovative Approaches to Sign Language in Animation
36:29 Challenges and Breakthroughs in Animation Technology
38:42 The Honey Project and Its Impact on the Maasai Tribe
42:30 The Future of Mission Honey and Community Support
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Apologies!! Somehow the audio file for this episode got mixed up. This is the actual interview with Dr. Richard Kannwischer. It is a great conversation!!
In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a deep conversation with Dr. Richard Kannwischer about the importance of cultivating the fruit of the Spirit in our lives. They discuss the challenges of pastoral care, the significance of community, and the slow process of spiritual growth. Dr. Kannwischer shares personal stories and insights from his new book, 'Cultivate,' emphasizing the need for patience, kindness, and the presence of Christ in our lives. The conversation highlights the importance of training for spiritual growth and the role of relationships in fostering transformation.
Get Richard's book "Cultivate"
More about Dr. Richard Kannwischer
Chapters
00:00 Navigating Life's Rhythms and Challenges
02:46 The Role of Pastoral Care and Emotional Burden
05:44 Introducing Dr. Richard Kannwischer and His Book
08:17 The Journey of Faith and Ministry
11:04 Cultivating the Fruit of the Spirit
14:01 The Importance of Joy in Daily Life
16:45 Practical Steps to Cultivate Joy
19:36 Building Community and Connection
22:39 Exploring Peace and Future Topics
24:48 The Relationship Between Peace and Self-Reliance
27:05 The Non-Anxious Presence of Christ
30:55 The Importance of Keeping Your Eyes on the Captain
34:29 Patience as a Spiritual Practice
39:00 The Role of Community in Spiritual Transformation
43:00 Understanding Kindness vs. Niceness
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason reflect on the year 2025, discussing the challenges and opportunities it presented. They explore the transition from local to regional ministry, the relentless nature of church leadership, and the importance of consistency in setting goals for the new year. The conversation also touches on predictions for 2026, including the integration of AI in church leadership and the potential generational shift in leadership dynamics. The hosts emphasize the need for intentional effort in building healthy church communities and encourage pastors to lead with purpose and vision.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a lively discussion with Chris Scotti, VP and publisher at 316 Publishing. They explore the impact of consistency in podcasting, the transformative power of the Gospel of John, and the importance of Bible translations. Chris shares his personal journey to faith through reading the Gospel of John and discusses the features of the Legacy Standard Bible, emphasizing its evangelistic nature. The conversation highlights the significance of making God's word accessible and encourages listeners to share the Gospel in creative ways.
Resources:
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason discuss the complexities and joys of the Christmas season, particularly from the perspective of church leaders and empty nesters. They explore the challenges of balancing ministry responsibilities with family time, the importance of acknowledging personal needs during the busy holiday season, and the creative struggle of presenting familiar Christmas messages in fresh ways. The conversation emphasizes the need for trust in God amidst the chaos and the value of prioritizing family and rest during this time.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson welcome Regan VanSteenis, a legal expert specializing in church governance and legal affairs. The conversation explores the vital role of legal counsel in churches, emphasizing the importance of governance structures that empower pastors while ensuring child safety and risk management. Regan shares insights on common mistakes churches make, the necessity of legal services for both large and small congregations, and the significance of integrity in church leadership. The episode concludes with encouragement for pastors to embrace legal support as an investment in their ministry and the church's future.
Meet Regan VanSteenis: (Church Law & Strategy)
Regan VanSteenis served as Chief Legal Counsel to Lakewood Church and Joel Osteen Ministries for 20 years. She has always had a passion to serve and empower the body of Christ. She knew early on that her vocational call was to provide legal counsel to those who were living out a higher calling. As the daughter of preacher herself, she feels honored to serve the Kingdom in this unique way.
Over the course of her career, she has worked with and collaborated with the top ministries and attorneys in America in nearly every realm of the law, from business to entertainment, employment law, tax, contract negotiations, and high-profile litigation.
This has allowed her to be a part of some of the most distinctive transactions for churches around the globe, including the purchase of an NBA arena that now serves as the 16,000-seat home of Lakewood Church; the first of its kind satellite radio channel,
Joel Osteen Channel 128, on SiriusXM; and at least 10 New York Times best-selling books with many more to come. Over the course of her career, Regan has advised on over $1 billion in business transactions for churches and industry leaders.
Regan has now taken her vast legal experience in the business and non-profit worlds and provides strategic business advice and legal counsel to churches and ministries all over America. She has helped start over 100 churches and non-profit organizations,
providing a solid legal and Biblical foundation for her clients, and she has vision for so much more.
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In this conversation, Val O'Brien discusses the shifting questions surrounding faith, particularly among younger generations. He contrasts the historical inquiry of 'Is God real?' with the contemporary question of 'Is God good?', emphasizing that while the routes to the gospel may differ, the fundamental human condition remains unchanged.
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In this conversation, Rob Paterson and Jason Allison explore the complexities of biblical interpretation within Christianity. They discuss the common question of whether certain actions are 'biblical' and emphasize the importance of aligning actions with the heart and teachings of Jesus rather than a literal interpretation of scripture.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason engage in a deep conversation with therapist Jason Van Ruler about overcoming past trauma, the importance of counseling, and the role of love in healing. They discuss the journey to rediscovering control in one's life, the significance of being open to change, and the necessity of connection to self, God, and others. Jason shares insights from his own experiences and emphasizes that life doesn't have to stop after a hard season, encouraging listeners to view their experiences as bookmarks rather than bookends.
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a heartfelt conversation about the challenges and joys of ministry, especially during busy seasons like the holidays. They discuss the importance of finding hope amidst exhaustion, the role of pastors in offering support, and the lessons learned from Jesus' interactions with others. The conversation emphasizes the need for compassion, faith, and the power of community in navigating life's complexities.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a heartfelt conversation with Sam Wegner, who shares his journey through personal challenges, including his wife's battle with cancer. The discussion emphasizes the importance of community, hobbies, and the concept of hope during times of waiting. Sam reflects on the struggles of control and the necessity of relinquishing it to find peace. The conversation also touches on the significance of having open discussions about life and death, and how faith plays a crucial role in navigating these difficult topics.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Personal Reflections
02:51 The Importance of Community and Hobbies
05:37 Introducing Sam Wegner: Background and Identity
08:23 The Weight of the Weight: Sam's Journey
10:59 Understanding Hope in Times of Waiting
23:18 Faith, Hope, and Waiting
25:56 The Skill of Waiting
30:59 Control vs. Trust
34:07 Facing Life's Challenges
37:27 Conversations About Life and Death
43:04 The Weight of the Weight
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a deep conversation with Chip Bernhardt, a recently retired lead pastor. They discuss the importance of church growth, succession planning, and the challenges of transitioning leadership. Chip shares his personal journey into ministry, the significance of engaging outside help for succession planning, and the need for humility in leadership. The conversation also touches on the creation of supportive communities for pastors and introduces Chip's new venture, The Church Hub, aimed at coaching and encouraging pastors in their ministry.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob Paterson and Jason Allison engage in a lively conversation with Josh Kosnick, the author of 'The Kairos Code'. They discuss the importance of learning from failure, the concept of Kairos versus Chronos, and how leaders can realign their lives and build legacies. The episode is filled with personal anecdotes, insights on leadership, and practical advice for personal growth.
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a lively discussion with guests Jeff Dillon and Ty Dannenbring about the importance of community connection, the impact of loneliness in modern society, and the concept of 'party theology' as a means to foster relationships. They explore cultural shifts that have led to increased isolation, the barriers to connection, and practical tips for church leaders to encourage outreach and engagement within their communities. The conversation emphasizes the need for authenticity, intentionality, and the power of hospitality in building meaningful relationships.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a deep conversation about the importance of prioritizing life and ministry. They discuss how to establish a hierarchy of priorities, the significance of personal health and family, and the challenges of navigating transitions in leadership roles. The conversation also touches on the role of core values in leadership, how conflicts can clarify true priorities, and the tools and resources available for effective time management. The hosts emphasize the need for creating an ideal week to visualize and achieve one's priorities, ultimately encouraging listeners to engage, equip, and encourage one another in their ministry journeys.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason, along with special guest Bethany, discuss the unique challenges and roles of pastors and their spouses. They explore personal experiences, the importance of support systems, and practical ways to encourage one another in ministry. The conversation emphasizes the need for balance, understanding, and community in navigating the complexities of church leadership and family life.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson welcome Thad Bergmeier, who shares his journey from aspiring doctor to ministry leader. The conversation explores the importance of leisure and rest in ministry, the significance of defining discipleship, and the challenges of church growth in a comfort-driven culture. Thad discusses the mission of ABWE and EveryEthne, emphasizing the need for local churches to mobilize and reach diverse communities. The episode concludes with a call to action for pastors to lead by example and embrace the risks associated with effective ministry.
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In this conversation, Jason Allison speaks with Mary Tutterow, a caregiver, coach, and author, about the challenges and rewards of caregiving. They discuss the caregiver crisis, the importance of community support, and how personal experiences shape one's understanding of caregiving. Mary shares her journey with her daughter who has special needs and emphasizes the need for spiritual reconnection and the transformative power of giving oneself to others. The discussion also highlights the Heart of the Caregiver curriculum designed to support caregivers in their journey, encouraging pastors to integrate this into their ministries.
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, Jason and Rob discuss the challenges of addressing controversial topics as spiritual leaders. They explore the weight of words, the importance of compassion, and the need for thoughtful reflection before responding to tragic events. The conversation emphasizes the role of debate and discourse in society, particularly in the context of gun control and public safety. They also highlight the impact of social media on dialogue and the necessity of Christ-like responses in a polarized world.
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In this episode of Church Talk, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the challenges and insights related to ministry leadership, particularly focusing on the impact of technology, the importance of effective delegation, and the need for clear expectations and accountability. They share personal experiences and reflections on how to navigate the complexities of leading in a church setting, emphasizing the value of every role and the necessity of ongoing training and support for volunteers and leaders.
Takeaways
We can accomplish more with technology, but it may not be good for our souls.
Efficiency in ministry should not come at the cost of personal connection.
Delegation requires proper training and support to be effective.
People often underestimate the complexity of leading in a church setting.
Clear expectations are crucial for successful delegation.
Every role in ministry is important and should be valued.
Unconscious competency can lead to unrealistic expectations of others.
Regular check-ins can prevent burnout and improve accountability.
Training should be ongoing, not a one-time event.
Self-reflection is key to improving leadership effectiveness.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a heartfelt conversation with Mitch Harrison, a former executive pastor and author of 'Running on Full.' The discussion revolves around the challenges of burnout in ministry, the importance of emotional well-being, and practical strategies for replenishment. Mitch shares his personal journey through burnout and the lessons learned, emphasizing the need for leaders to balance stress with intentional self-care. The conversation introduces the 'Five Rs' framework—Rest, Release, Receive, Recreation, and Relationships—as essential components for maintaining health and vitality in ministry. Listeners are encouraged to develop a personal plan for replenishment and to seek support from trusted individuals.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Excitement for the Guest
03:44 Mitch Harrison's Journey and the Birth of 'Running on Full'
06:46 Understanding Burnout and Depleting Mindsets
12:57 Balancing Stress and Replenishment
18:13 Creating a Personal Replenishment Plan
24:50 Recognizing Early Warning Signs of Fatigue
26:05 The Five Rs Framework for Replenishment
30:28 The Importance of Emotional Release
36:29 Receiving Inspiration and Purpose
42:35 The Role of Recreation and Relationships
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the challenges of dog training, leading into a deeper conversation about discipleship and spiritual growth with their guest JD Walt. JD shares insights from his new study on Romans, emphasizing the importance of engaging with scripture and the transformative power of community. He introduces the concept of the 'Wake Up Call' and the five Rs of Bible study, advocating for a slower, more intentional approach to scripture engagement. The conversation highlights the significance of storytelling in the church and the need for pastors to focus on transformation rather than mere attendance numbers.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Dog Troubles
02:49 Discipleship and Training Insights
05:42 The Wake Up Call and Daily Engagement with Scripture
08:27 Transformation Through Consecration
10:58 The Importance of Engaging with Scripture
13:39 Rethinking Bible Study Approaches
16:27 Living in the Word and Long-Term Memory
19:08 Meditation and Remembrasing Scripture
25:23 The Power of Memory and the Word of God
27:08 Researching the Word: A Deeper Understanding
28:50 The Importance of Rehearsing the Word
30:37 From Sincerity to Substance in Faith
32:27 The Shift from Need to Want in Discipleship
34:38 Practical Discipleship: Reading the Gospels Together
37:18 The Action Beyond the Church Walls
39:14 Measuring Success: Stories Over Statistics
42:51 Recovering the Art of Storytelling in the Church
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss various aspects of church structures, staffing, and the innovative solutions offered by Church Hire. They explore the challenges pastors face in managing church staff, the benefits of hiring virtual assistants, and the potential of leveraging talent from the Philippines. The conversation also touches on the evolving acceptance of AI in church settings and the importance of building a cohesive remote team culture. Corey Alderin, CEO of Sermon Shots, shares insights on how churches can effectively utilize remote staffing solutions to enhance their operations and focus on ministry.
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Chapters
00:00 Welcome and Weather Check
02:47 Exploring Church Structures
05:27 Introduction to Corey Aldrin and Sermon Shots
08:32 Trends in AI and Church Engagement
11:18 Launching Church Hire
14:07 Building a Team in the Philippines
16:52 Virtual Assistants and Church Needs
19:32 Integrating Virtual Staff into Church Culture
21:45 Understanding Church Staffing Needs
29:44 Exploring Virtual Assistance in Churches
37:12 Effective Management of Church Staff
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the critical role of bookkeeping in church administration with expert David George. They explore common challenges faced by churches in managing finances, the importance of clear communication with bookkeepers, and the need for user-friendly accounting software. The conversation also touches on designated giving trends and how churches can better manage their financial resources to support their missions effectively.
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00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates
02:26 The Importance of Bookkeeping in Church Planting
05:09 David George's Background and Experience
07:53 Challenges of Financial Management in Ministry
10:35 Common Issues in Church Accounting
13:28 Recommended Bookkeeping Software for Churches
16:31 Navigating Receipt Management and Expenses
22:46 Navigating Church Management Software
29:21 Streamlining Financial Processes in Churches
33:03 Establishing Effective Budgets
36:46 Identifying Financial Leaks in Church Operations
39:41 The Role of Designated Giving in Church Finances
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson kick off Season Seven by discussing the concept of church structures. They explore the importance of effective organization within churches, especially as they prepare for the fall season. The conversation delves into biblical church structures, the various leadership roles outlined in the New Testament, and how cultural contexts influence the way churches operate. The hosts emphasize the need for practical applications of these structures while acknowledging the complexities and variations that exist across different communities. In this conversation, Jason Allison and Rob Paterson explore the complexities of church governance, discussing various models of leadership and the importance of empowerment and accountability within church structures. They delve into the dynamics of church teams and the future of church funding, emphasizing the need for intentionality in leadership and the challenges faced by churches in adapting to modern needs.
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Winning on Purpose (by John Edmund Kaiser)
High Impact Church Boards (by T. J. Addington)
The Coming Revolution in Church Economics (by Mark DeYmaz)
Chapters
00:00 Welcome to Season Seven
02:25 The Exciting Start: Church Structures
06:07 Exploring Biblical Church Structure
15:08 Leadership Roles in the New Testament
21:00 Understanding Church Roles and Structures
25:37 Models of Church Governance
32:29 Empowerment and Accountability in Leadership
36:52 The Dynamics of Church Teams
40:36 Future of Church Structures and Funding
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the challenges and changes faced by pastors and church leaders, particularly in the context of personal reflection, community identity, and the evolving landscape of faith. They explore the importance of rest, the shift in evangelism and apologetics, and the crumbling credibility of Christianity in modern society. The conversation also touches on the need for curiosity, humility, and love in ministry, especially regarding the LGBTQ community, emphasizing the importance of building a loving church environment.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a deep conversation about spiritual health, the importance of taking time off, and the challenges of church leadership. They welcome guest Josh Spinks, who shares his journey in church planting and his passion for empowering the church to embrace the core missionary task. The discussion covers the significance of multiplication in the church, the role of I Am Second, and practical ways to equip church members to share their faith. The conversation emphasizes the need for a shift from knowledge to action in discipleship, the messiness of the process, and offers encouragement for weary church leaders.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a lively discussion with Matt Arnett, the community director of the Bucket Ministry. They explore Matt's journey from a church-going child to a leader in a nonprofit organization focused on providing clean water and sharing the love of Jesus. The conversation delves into the challenges faced in ministry, the importance of local partnerships, and the holistic approach to mission work that combines physical needs with spiritual growth. Matt shares insights on the impact of the Bucket Ministry, the significance of indigenous leadership, and the encouragement for church leaders to embrace their role in God's mission.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Personal Anecdotes
04:10 Introducing Matt Arnett and His Mission
05:17 Matt's Journey to Ministry
09:40 Finding Purpose in Adversity
12:33 The Bucket Ministry's Impact
18:58 Distribution and Reach of Clean Water Solutions
20:02 Introduction to Water Filters and Community Impact
22:11 Overcoming Skepticism in Water Distribution
25:14 The Dual Gift: Water and the Gospel
26:46 Empowering Local Leaders for Sustainable Change
29:20 The Role of Discipleship in Missions
31:51 Bridging the Gap: Evangelism and Discipleship
35:16 Integrating Mission: A Holistic Approach
38:46 Encouragement for Church Leaders
40:58 How to Get Involved with The Bucket Ministry
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson welcome David Miles, a seasoned transitional pastor. They discuss the challenges and opportunities that arise during church transitions, emphasizing the importance of intentionality and vulnerability in leadership. David shares insights from his extensive experience in ministry, highlighting the need for churches to prepare for transitions and the role of boards in addressing underlying issues. The conversation also touches on the significance of admitting personal shortcomings and the transformative power of grace in the church community.
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Chapters
00:00 Weather and Personal Updates
04:31 Introducing David Miles
06:26 David's Journey in Ministry
09:27 The Role of Transitional Pastors
11:39 The Importance of Intentional Transition
15:18 Challenges During Church Transitions
19:42 Seeing Opportunity in Transition
22:00 Facing the Problem: Humility in Leadership
25:06 The Role of Admitting Faults in Discipleship
27:03 The Power of Grace in Leadership
29:33 Navigating Transitions: Recognizing When to Move On
31:37 Self-Awareness in Leadership Transitions
36:30 Preparing for New Leadership: Interim Insights
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the challenges of leadership during the summer months, transitioning from local church work to denominational roles, and the importance of maintaining relationships. They are joined by Dana Wood and Kirk Zell, co-authors of 'From the Mailroom to the Boardroom,' who share their unique leadership journeys and insights on effective leadership. The conversation emphasizes the significance of people in leadership, the concept of agape love, setting expectations, accountability, and the necessity of having difficult conversations to foster trust and growth within teams.
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Chapters
00:00 Summer Transitions and Leadership Challenges
02:35 Introducing Leadership Insights from Dana Wood and Kirk Zell
05:27 Personal Journeys: From Mailroom to Boardroom
07:59 The Importance of Leadership Principles
10:43 Understanding People in Leadership
13:09 Agape Love in Leadership
15:48 Building a Supportive Culture
18:12 Leading by Example
21:25 The Power of Personal Branding
23:44 Leading by Example: The Importance of Actions
25:34 Balancing Expectations and Personal Well-being
26:34 Setting Expectations: The Role of Leaders
28:44 The Necessity of Difficult Conversations
31:25 Learning from Hard Conversations
35:38 Building Trust and Communication in Leadership
38:02 Leading with Love: The Foundation of Leadership
39:36 Promoting Community Initiatives and Outreach
43:59 New Chapter
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In this episode, Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the challenges of navigating division within ministry, particularly in light of recent protests and political engagement. They explore the role of pastors in addressing these issues, the impact of media representation on public perception, and the importance of local engagement in community action. The conversation emphasizes the need for a redemptive response to political and social issues, particularly regarding immigration, while balancing faith and politics. Ultimately, they call for love and service to all individuals, regardless of their background or beliefs.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Conversation
00:57 Navigating Division in Ministry
04:02 Protests and Political Engagement
07:34 The Challenge of Bridging Perspectives
11:11 The Role of the Church in Political Discourse
17:36 Finding a Redemptive Path Forward
22:29 Protests and Media Coverage
25:37 The Impact of Media on Perception
28:25 Understanding the Biblical Response
32:14 Local Engagement and Community Action
37:14 Navigating Complex Issues with Grace
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Episode 119 (11/04/24)
Episode 118 (10/28/24)
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Rob and Jason talk with Dr. Nick Gatzke of Old North Church in Canfield, Ohio. They discuss various aspects of preaching and ministry, including the importance of volunteerism, navigating difficult conversations, the role of power and influence in pastoral leadership, and the definition of good preaching. They emphasize the need for effective communication, learning from other preachers, and the centrality of preaching in Protestant worship. The conversation also touches on the challenges of accountability in a celebrity-driven culture and the importance of training the next generation of preachers.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the challenges of busy pastoral lives, the importance of legacy, and the need for community in processing life's transitions. They explore the cultural context of the Bible, the assumptions made in ministry, and the blurred lines between facts and feelings in church discussions. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of discernment and understanding in both personal and communal faith journeys.
Chapters
00:00 Navigating Busy Lives as Pastors
03:46 Reflections on Legacy and Life's Impact
08:16 The Importance of Processing Life with Others
11:37 The Weight of Moral Failings in Ministry
13:49 Revisiting Assumptions in Ministry
16:52 Understanding the Bible as a Cross-Cultural Experience
20:59 Understanding Biblical Texts and Translations
24:01 Cultural Context in Biblical Interpretation
27:09 America's Role in Biblical Understanding
30:50 Navigating Feelings and Facts in Faith
35:15 Community and Accountability in Faith Practices
41:51 New Chapter
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the challenges of balancing busy lives, the importance of collaboration in ministry, and the value of equipping others. They share personal anecdotes about projects and friendships, emphasizing the significance of shared experiences and learning from experts. The conversation highlights the need for leaders to involve others in the process of ministry and personal growth, ultimately leading to a more successful and sustainable future. In this conversation, Jason Allison and Rob Paterson explore the importance of genuine care in ministry, the value of mentorship, and the evolving perspective on conferences. They discuss how personal experiences shape their approach to ministry and the significance of equipping leaders through community engagement. The dialogue emphasizes the need for authentic relationships and the impact of presence in difficult moments, while also addressing the practicalities and benefits of attending conferences for personal and professional growth.
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson welcome Bryan Chapell, a prominent figure in ministry, to discuss the multi-generational church crisis. The conversation explores the cultural shifts that have transformed the church's landscape, particularly the transition from a majority to a minority culture. Bryan shares insights on the differing perspectives between generations, the challenges of navigating these differences in ministry, and the importance of understanding and supporting young people in the church. The discussion also touches on the emotional responses to loss of influence and acceptance within the church community, and the evolving approaches to evangelism in today's context. In this conversation, Rob Paterson and Bryan Chapell explore the complexities of generational differences within the church, focusing on the challenges and opportunities presented by millennials and Gen Z. They discuss the impact of cultural shifts on gender identity, the importance of defining a clear church mission, and the need for unity among different generations. The conversation emphasizes the hope for church growth as parents seek guidance for their children in a rapidly changing world, and the necessity for church leaders to adapt their approaches while maintaining biblical fidelity.
Bryan Chapell, PhD, is a pastor and author known for presenting the heart of the gospel of Jesus Christ around the world. He is president of Unlimited Grace Media, daily broadcasting grace-filled messages in major US cities and streaming coursework for the training of future preachers in 1,500 cities across 90+ nations at BryanChapell.com. He also leads the Administrative Committee of the Presbyterian Church in America, is Pastor Emeritus of the historic Grace Presbyterian Church in Peoria, Illinois, and is President Emeritus of Covenant Seminary in St. Louis, Missouri.
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Jason & Rob take the show on the road and record an episode while traveling to Washington DC where they were training a church leadership team and supporting a pastor by playing in his fund raising golf outing. The guys talk about playing it safe and pursing comfortable versus stretching ourselves - as leaders as well as followers of Jesus.
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss significant transitions in church leadership, including mergers and personal growth experiences. They introduce guest Gary Rohrmayer, who shares his journey in ministry, the importance of coachability, and the concept of spiritual authority in leadership. The conversation emphasizes the need for pastors and leaders to remain open to guidance and the transformative power of God in their lives. In this conversation, Gary Rohrmayer discusses the importance of coaching in ministry, emphasizing the need for mental toughness and emotional intelligence among pastors. He shares personal experiences and insights on how being coachable and embracing reality can lead to effective leadership. The discussion also highlights the current wave of young people coming to faith and the role of churches in fostering this growth. Rohrmayer encourages leaders to align their ministries with God's work and to seek coaching for personal and professional development.
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Chapters
00:00 Navigating Church Mergers and Transitions
03:01 Finding God in Everyday Moments
05:47 Introducing Gary Rohrmayer: A Journey in Ministry
11:59 The Call to Ministry and Church Planting
18:11 The Importance of Coachability in Leadership
21:00 Understanding Spiritual Authority in Leadership
23:22 The Journey of Coaching in Ministry
27:04 Building Mental Toughness in Pastoral Leadership
32:20 Embracing Reality as a Coachable Leader
39:42 The Importance of Alignment and Coaching
44:07 A New Wave of Faith and Leadership
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Rob and Jason discuss the aftermath of Easter services, emphasizing the importance of training congregants in spiritual practices. They introduce Dr. Jeff Forrey from Church Initiative, who shares insights on grief, its multifaceted nature, and how pastors can better support grieving individuals. The conversation highlights common misconceptions about grief and the importance of presence in pastoral care. This conversation delves into the complexities of the grieving process, emphasizing the importance of understanding that grief is not a linear journey. The speakers discuss practical ways to support those who are grieving, including being present, offering help with daily tasks, and following up over time. They highlight the need for churches to train their congregations in grief ministry, utilizing resources like Grief Share to foster community support. Additionally, they address the signs that indicate when professional help may be necessary for individuals struggling with prolonged grief. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the vital role pastors play in providing compassionate care and support to those navigating loss.
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GriefShare
Chapters
00:00 Post-Easter Reflections and Church Dynamics
04:33 Understanding Grief: A Holistic Approach
21:02 Common Mistakes Pastors Make in Grief Counseling
23:56 Understanding the Grieving Process
30:43 Supporting the Griever: Practical Approaches
36:56 Training the Congregation for Grief Ministry
42:37 Recognizing When Professional Help is Needed
45:50 The Pastor's Role in Grief Support
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage with Mark DeYmaz, a prominent figure in multi-ethnic ministry and church economics. They reflect on the recent Easter celebrations, discuss the importance of diversity in the church, and explore the pressing issues facing multi-ethnic congregations today. Mark shares his journey into ministry, emphasizing the need for churches to adapt to changing demographics and economic realities. He advocates for a shift in church paradigms, encouraging leaders to embrace diversity and develop multiple streams of income to sustain their missions. The conversation highlights practical steps for churches to become more inclusive and economically viable, ultimately aiming to reflect the kingdom of God on earth.
The Coming Revolution in Church Economics
Leading a Healthy Multi-Ethnic Church
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Chapters
00:00 Easter Reflections and Community Engagement
02:17 Introducing Mark DeYmaz: A Journey in Ministry
05:35 The Multi-Ethnic Church Movement
12:54 Pressing Issues in Multi-Ethnic Ministry
19:57 Positioning for the Future: Church Economics
29:01 Theological Foundations for Diversity in the Church
30:34 The Future of Church Diversity
37:28 Economic Revolution in the Church
46:36 Stewardship and Asset Management
55:57 Transforming Church Operations for the 21st Century
58:47 New Chapter
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In this conversation, Dale Sellers and Jason Allison discuss the upcoming Thriving Church Conference, sharing insights from their experiences in ministry and church leadership. They explore the importance of foundational principles for healthy churches, address common barriers to engagement, and highlight leadership traits necessary for thriving ministries. The discussion emphasizes the need for clarity in vision, community involvement, and the significance of supporting small and mid-sized churches.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the New Conference
03:17 Jason's Journey in Ministry
06:04 Reflections on Church Planting
09:00 Challenges of Church Leadership
11:26 The Importance of Support Networks
14:23 Introducing the New Conference Details
17:18 Foundational Principles for Healthy Churches
21:21 Navigating Church Engagement: Clear Next Steps
25:35 Unified Purpose: The Heart of Church Mission
26:21 Overcoming Barriers: Internal Inspiration and Vision
30:54 Leadership Insecurity: Addressing Common Challenges
34:18 Cultural Relevance: Understanding Community Needs
36:53 Leadership Traits: Embracing Effective Practices
42:25 Healthy Churches: The Path to Growth and Impact
44:09 New Chapter
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson engage in a lively discussion about sports, weather, and the upcoming national championship game before welcoming their guest, Dr. Alan Weissenbacher. Dr. Weissenbacher shares insights from his book, 'The Brain Change Program,' exploring the intersection of science and faith, particularly in the context of addiction recovery and personal growth. He emphasizes the importance of neural pathways in shaping behavior and the role of community support in healing. The conversation highlights how scientific understanding aligns with biblical principles, offering hope and practical strategies for life change. In this conversation, Dr. Alan Weissenbacher discusses the complexities of willpower, the power of imagination in brain change, and the importance of spiritual disciplines. He emphasizes that our thoughts and imaginations shape our reality and that positive thinking can lead to significant changes in behavior. The role of the Holy Spirit in guiding these changes is also highlighted, along with practical advice for pastors and leaders on how to support others in their journey of transformation. The discussion concludes with a personal touch, showcasing Dr. Weissenbacher's creative side through his cake-baking tradition with his children.
The Brain Change Program by Dr. Alan Weissenbacher
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Church Talk Podcast
01:39 Weather and Sports Banter
05:11 Introducing Dr. Alan Weissenbacher
06:52 The Intersection of Science and Faith
12:24 Understanding Neural Pathways
18:31 The Importance of Community in Healing
26:16 Science Aligning with Scripture
27:28 The Willpower Dilemma
28:31 Imagination and Brain Change
34:39 Spiritual Disciplines and Brain Paths
42:37 The Role of the Holy Spirit in Change
44:25 Personal Touch: Baking and Connection
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, Rob & Jason engage in a lively discussion about their experiences in ministry, the challenges of leading in a divided society, and the importance of unity within the church with Pastor Charles Whitaker (River of Life Church, Washington, DC). They explore the impact of political polarization on community dynamics, the significance of diversity, and the role of pastors in fostering healthy relationships among congregants. The conversation also touches on personal anecdotes, including humorous moments related to April Fool's Day, and reflects on the historical context of political division in America. In this conversation, they discuss the current political landscape, particularly focusing on the Democratic Party's shift to the left and its implications for moderate voters. Pastor Charles explores the voting dynamics within the African-American community, emphasizing the importance of social justice issues over single-issue voting like abortion. The discussion then shifts to how church leaders can disciple their congregations amidst political polarization, highlighting the need for relational engagement. Finally, they address the significance of multiple income streams for pastors, particularly in the context of church growth and community impact.
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson reflect on their experiences at the Exponential Conference, discussing key leadership lessons learned. They emphasize the importance of creating spaces for leaders to grow, the value of authentic community, and the significance of having a multiplication vision in church growth. The conversation also explores the barbell principle in church strategy, advocating for a balance between conservative and risky approaches, and highlights the importance of learning from failures in leadership. In this conversation, Jason Allison and Rob Paterson explore the themes of discipleship, leadership investment, and the importance of embracing failure in ministry. They discuss the need for churches to challenge their members to take risks and step out in faith, rather than playing it safe. The conversation emphasizes the significance of investing in leaders rather than just church programs, celebrating failures as learning opportunities, and living with a sense of urgency in ministry. They also touch on the importance of identifying and addressing underlying issues within the church, and keeping a focus on Jesus as the central figure in their work.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Reflection on Exponential Conference
02:57 Creating Space for Leadership Growth
05:55 The Importance of Authentic Community
09:06 Multiplication Vision in Church Growth
11:56 The Barbell Principle in Church Strategy
14:51 R&D Mindset in Church Planting
18:10 Learning from Failure in Leadership
21:49 Discipleship and Risk Taking
22:51 Investing in Leadership Over Programs
24:20 Celebrating Failure and Learning
26:18 The Importance of Early Opportunities
29:13 Impact vs. Longevity in Ministry
30:46 Living with Urgency and Purpose
34:13 Identifying and Addressing the Stink
39:26 Keeping Our Eyes on Jesus
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson reflect on their experiences as pastors, discussing the importance of sensitivity to God's spirit, finding one's identity in ministry, and the significance of leadership learning. They emphasize the need for relational connections within church teams and the importance of empowering others in ministry. The conversation also touches on discernment in leadership and the value of authenticity in ministry roles.
Chapters
00:00 Welcome Back to the Roots
02:44 Learning from Experience
05:17 Hearing from God
08:10 Identity in Ministry
10:50 Leading Leaders
13:39 Building Relationships in Leadership
21:03 Embracing Collaborative Leadership
23:01 The Struggle of Leadership Identity
23:53 Discernment in Leadership
25:07 Understanding Team Dynamics
27:43 Building Systemic Pauses
30:02 Empowering Others in Ministry
33:29 Authenticity in Leadership
42:01 New Chapter
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason, Rob, and Courtney engage in a deep conversation with Terry Thompson, a seasoned pastor and founder of Small Church USA. They explore Terry's journey in ministry, the revitalization of struggling churches, and the importance of focusing on church health rather than size. The discussion highlights key metrics for assessing church health, the significance of leadership and accountability, and the unique strengths of smaller churches. Terry shares success stories from his work with various churches and offers encouragement for pastors in different contexts, emphasizing the need for faithful leadership and community impact.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Context of Ministry Challenges
06:32 Launching Small Church USA
11:59 Key Metrics for Church Health
19:02 Unique Aspects of Small Church USA's Approach
25:25 Overcoming Obstacles in Church Health
30:50 Success Stories in Church Revitalization
39:16 Encouragement for Pastors
41:45 New Chapter
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, Jason Allison and his co-hosts engage with Mike Elms, an experienced ad man and author, discussing the intersection of faith, storytelling, and church leadership. They explore how reimagining biblical parables can make them more relatable to modern audiences, the importance of storytelling in teaching, and strategies for retaining and regaining church members. Mike shares insights from his background in advertising and how it informs his approach to faith and community engagement, emphasizing the need for churches to recognize and utilize the diverse gifts of their members.
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Chapters
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
02:11 Introducing Mike Elms and His Work
04:03 The Concept Behind 'Jesus Unbranded'
09:35 The Power of Storytelling
10:45 Faith and Profession: A Personal Journey
13:42 The Importance of Real-Life Stories
14:44 Becoming a Better Storyteller
18:29 Elements of a Great Story
20:18 Challenges in Reimagining Parables
21:38 The Dramatic Night of the Oscars
26:27 Exploring Accents and Cultural Connections
27:25 Strategies for Church Retention and Engagement
33:01 Utilizing Gifts for Kingdom Purposes
38:50 Encouragement for Pastors and Leaders
43:49 Outtro
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason, Rob, and Courtney delve into the implications of Timothy Patitsas' book, 'The Ethics of Beauty,' discussing how beauty, truth, and goodness intersect within church practices. They explore the relevance of these concepts for church leaders and congregants, emphasizing the need for a beauty-first approach in ministry that values aesthetics alongside truth and goodness. The conversation highlights the challenges and opportunities presented by different ethical frameworks in the context of church growth and discipleship. In this conversation, the team explores the complexities of spiritual growth, the importance of suffering, and the dynamics of church health. They discuss the differences between beauty first and goodness first approaches in ministry, using analogies like the cat and toaster to illustrate their points. The conversation emphasizes the need for wisdom in church leadership and the importance of nurturing the church as a living organism rather than a mechanical system. Ultimately, they celebrate the diversity of church health and the importance of finding ways to support and care for congregations.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Conversation
02:15 Exploring 'The Ethics of Beauty'
09:00 Truth, Goodness, and Beauty in Church Contexts
16:02 The Goodness First Approach in Evangelicalism
20:01 The Beauty First Ethic in Church Practices
26:58 Implications for the Great Commission
29:12 The Journey Through Spiritual Growth
30:22 Embracing Suffering as a Path to Love
31:33 Corporate Spirituality and Individual Gifts
32:30 Beauty First vs. Goodness First Approaches
34:22 The Cat and Toaster Analogy in Ministry
37:07 Understanding Living Systems in Church Dynamics
39:38 Evaluating Church Health and Effectiveness
42:12 The Importance of Wisdom in Church Leadership
44:36 Nurturing the Church as an Organism
49:54 Celebrating Diversity in Church Health
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Summary
In this episode of the Church Talk Project, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss Carey Nieuwhof's article about various trends affecting church leadership and community engagement. They explore the importance of forging community, the challenges faced by Gen Z in relation to spirituality, the state of evangelism, and the alarming rate of church closures compared to new church plants. The conversation also touches on the mental health crisis among church leaders, emphasizing the need for support and resources to help pastors thrive in their roles.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Church Talk Project
01:35 Forging Community and Personal Growth
03:12 Accountability in Health and Lifestyle Changes
04:26 Trends in Church Leadership and Community Engagement
07:19 Gen Z: Revival and Retreat
15:22 The State of Evangelism in Churches
23:04 The Importance of Authenticity in Faith
25:17 The Challenge of Church Closures
28:39 Funding and Resources for Church Planting
30:30 The Tension Between Growth and Authenticity
34:06 The Rise of Non-Derivative Churches
42:33 Addressing the Mental Health Crisis in Church Leadership
47:21 New Chapter
Keywords
Church Talk, community, personal growth, Gen Z, evangelism, church planting, mental health, leadership trends, church closures, non-derivative church
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason Allison, Rob Paterson, and Courtney engage with Danny Parmelee, the regional president of Converge Mid-America. The conversation centers around the importance of self-awareness in leadership, particularly for pastors and church leaders. Danny shares his personal journey of discovering the significance of self-awareness through coaching and feedback, emphasizing how it can lead to personal growth and improved leadership effectiveness. The discussion also touches on the challenges of vulnerability, the role of fear in leadership, and the introduction of a 360 self-awareness tool designed to help leaders gain insights into their strengths and weaknesses. The episode concludes with practical advice on implementing self-awareness practices within church leadership. In this conversation, the speakers discuss the importance of integrating health assessments into organizational culture, particularly within church settings. They explore the role of 360 assessments in leadership, emphasizing the need for a supportive environment that encourages honest feedback. The discussion highlights the significance of self-awareness, vulnerability, and the value of trusted relationships in personal and professional growth. The speakers also address common fears associated with self-assessment and offer encouragement to pastors and leaders to embrace the process as a means of faithful leadership.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Danny Parmelee
02:39 The Importance of Self-Awareness in Leadership
11:29 Overcoming Fear and Vulnerability
17:30 The 360 Self-Awareness Tool
24:34 Processing Feedback and Growth
28:14 Implementing Self-Awareness in Church Leadership
28:44 Integrating Health Assessments into Organizational Culture
30:00 The Role of 360 Assessments in Leadership
32:01 Navigating the 360 Assessment Process
34:02 The Importance of Feedback and Self-Awareness
36:00 Encouraging Vulnerability in Leadership
37:56 The Value of Trusted Relationships in Growth
40:00 Overcoming Fear of Self-Assessment
42:00 Encouragement for Pastors and Leaders
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, host Jason Allison interviews Pastor Mike Hayes, the founding pastor of Covenant Church in Dallas, Texas. They discuss Mike's journey from a performance-based faith to a deeper understanding of happiness and joy in the Christian life, emphasizing the importance of the Beatitudes and the true nature of the gospel as good news. Mike shares insights on how our perceptions of God, particularly through the lens of fatherhood, can impact our relationship with Him and our understanding of joy. The conversation highlights the need for the church to present a more joyful and uplifting message to its congregation. In this conversation, Mike Hayes and Jason Allison delve into the themes of judgment, joy in ministry, the distinction between peacemaking and peacekeeping, and the importance of personal revelation in pastoral work. They explore the concept of the Bema seat of judgment, emphasizing that judgment is about rewards for good works rather than condemnation. The discussion highlights the necessity of joy in ministry and encourages pastors to embrace their identity as children of God. They also discuss the challenges of peacemaking, stressing that it requires skill and effort, and conclude with the significance of sharing personal experiences to connect with others.
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Episode Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Pastor Mike Hayes
03:18 Mike Hayes' Journey and Ministry Background
06:08 The Shift from Performance to Happiness in Faith
11:05 Understanding Happiness Through the Beatitudes
14:32 Righteousness, Peace, and Joy in the Holy Ghost
18:01 The Gospel as Good News: A Mind Shift
22:31 The Image of God: Fatherhood and Joy
24:44 Exploring the Bema Seat of Judgment
27:09 The Importance of Joy in Ministry
29:40 Understanding Peacemaking vs. Peacekeeping
41:01 The Power of Personal Revelation in Ministry
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, Jason, Rob, and Courtney discuss various impactful books that can aid church leaders and members in their spiritual journeys. They emphasize the importance of reading widely, exploring diverse perspectives, and understanding cultural contexts. The conversation covers recommendations for leadership, team building, and engaging with the Old Testament, while also addressing contemporary issues facing the church today. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the challenges faced by Gen Z, particularly the meaning crisis and the search for purpose. They discuss influential authors and their works that provide insights into navigating faith and understanding the supernatural. The conversation also touches on the ethics of beauty as a guiding principle in problem-solving and the transformative power of literature in shaping perspectives. The speakers share their favorite books and the impact these have had on their lives and ministries, concluding with an invitation for listeners to share their own recommendations.
Books Mentioned: (Share yours with us!! - jason@churchtalkproject.com)
Jason
- De-Sizing the Church (Karl Vaters)
- Future Church (Will Mancini)
- Wisdom for Faithful Reading (John Walton)
- Lead (Paul David Tripp)
- The Wood Between the Worlds (Brian Zahnd)
Courtney
- Liturgical Mission/ Ever Ancient Ever New (by Winfield Bevins)
- Bearing God's Name (by Carmen Imes)
- Living in Wonder (by Rod Dreher)
- The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God (by Justin Brierly)
- The Air We Breathe (by Glen Scrivener)
- The Ethics of Beauty by (Timothy Patitsas)
Rob
- The 6 Types of Working Genius (Pat Lencioni)
- The Seven Frequencies of Communication (Erwin McManus)
- Purple Cow & Free Prize Inside (and really anything) (Seth Godin)
- Blue Like Jazz (Donald Miller)
- Homiletic Moves & Structures (David Buttrick)
- Slaves, Women, & Homosexuals (William J. Webb)
00:00 Introduction to Meaningful Reads
05:55 The Importance of Diverse Reading
11:46 Books for Leadership and Team Building
18:08 Exploring the Old Testament
23:51 Cultural Context and Spiritual Issues
24:20 Understanding the Meaning Crisis for Gen Z
26:05 Exploring the Supernatural Worldview
28:20 Influential Authors and Their Impact
30:09 Books That Changed Perspectives
34:25 The Ethics of Beauty and Problem Solving
38:21 Before and After: Transformative Books
45:30 Closing Thoughts and Future Recommendations
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason, Rob, and Courtney welcome back Brian Dodd for his fourth appearance. They discuss Brian's new book, 'The Games Leaders Play,' exploring the gap between leadership knowledge and its application in real-world scenarios. Brian emphasizes the importance of personal communion with God for effective leadership and shares insights on the common traits of successful leaders. The conversation also delves into the unique challenges faced by pastors and how they can blend shepherding with visionary leadership. In this conversation, the speakers discuss the challenges pastors face when leading volunteers versus leading other leaders. They explore the importance of understanding the mindset of leaders, providing ten actionable strategies for pastors to effectively lead leaders, and the significance of continuous learning in leadership roles. The discussion also touches on the dynamics of leadership challenges and the necessity of fostering a culture of contribution over control.
Takeaways
- Brian Dodd's new book (Games Leaders Play) addresses the gap between leadership knowledge and application.
- Effective leaders are those who have spent time with God.
- Vision is about multiplying what you see, feel, and hear in ministry.
- Transformation in ministry is more important than mere transactions.
- Most pastors excel at leading volunteers but struggle with leading other leaders.
- Imposter syndrome can hinder pastors when interacting with more experienced leaders.
- Pastors should prioritize being a spiritual guide to leaders.
- Asking great questions is more valuable than providing answers.
- Involving leaders in decision-making makes them feel valued and invested.
- A clear and compelling vision attracts great leaders.
- Follow-up communication strengthens relationships with leaders.
- Leaders should be encouraged to contribute rather than control.
Keywords
leadership, church growth, personal communion, Brian Dodd, effective leadership, pastoral challenges, church vision, leadership principles, faithfulness, community impact, leadership, pastors, volunteers, leaders, church, mindset, strategies, challenges, continuous learning, community
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, Jason, Courtney, and Rob discuss the importance of leadership in the church, focusing on how to listen to God and the various spiritual practices that can enhance personal growth and community engagement. They share personal anecdotes about snow days, the challenges of hearing from God, and the need for a true prayer life. The conversation emphasizes the significance of bridging the gap between learning and doing in ministry, and how spiritual practices can be tailored to individual personalities. In this conversation, the speakers explore the challenges of engaging with God amidst the chaos of modern life, emphasizing the importance of simplicity and quietness. They discuss how busyness and success can hinder spiritual growth and listening to God. Practical practices such as the Kairos circle and the Jesus Prayer are introduced as ways to cultivate awareness of God's presence and to develop a deeper spiritual life. The conversation concludes with a call to embrace these practices to enhance one's relationship with God and to support others in their spiritual journeys.
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Ken Boa "Conformed to His Image"
Dallas Willard "The Divine Conspiracy"
Richard Foster "Celebration of Discipline"
Chapters
00:00 Welcome and New Beginnings
03:02 Snow Days and Seasonal Joys
06:01 Listening to God as Leaders
12:11 The Challenge of Hearing from God
17:53 Spiritual Practices and Personal Growth
19:53 Engaging God Amidst Life's Chaos
30:08 The Impact of Success on Spiritual Listening
40:55 Practical Practices for Hearing God
44:48 Cultivating Awareness of God's Presence
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason and Rob introduce their guest, Jason Bowman, who shares his journey from church planting to creative entrepreneurship. The conversation explores the intersection of church and marketplace principles, emphasizing the importance of passion and enthusiasm in ministry. They discuss the challenges of growth and chaos in organizations and the need for new approaches to engage communities effectively. The episode concludes with insights on embracing change and adapting to new cultural contexts. In this conversation, Jason Bowman discusses various themes related to church planting, community engagement, and effective leadership. He emphasizes the importance of gratitude, empathetic honesty, and core principles for building strong teams. The discussion also highlights innovative approaches to discipleship through the Jesus XP initiative, aiming to connect individuals with the teachings of Jesus in a contemporary context.
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In this episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason, Rob, and Courtney welcome Daniel Geraci, founder and CEO of United in Crisis. Daniel shares his journey of faith, the importance of church unity in crisis response, and the model of the Crisis Response Church Network. The conversation explores how churches can overcome denominational divides, the increasing frequency of disasters, and the vital role of prayer and relationships among pastors. Daniel emphasizes the need for collaboration in times of crisis and the unique opportunities that arise for the church to serve the community. In this conversation, Jason Allison discusses the evolving role of the church in community support, particularly during crises. He emphasizes the historical context of the church's involvement in social welfare and how modern networks can empower churches to respond effectively to community needs. The dialogue explores the relationship between government and church, the importance of local solutions, and the necessity of balancing immediate needs with the hope of the gospel.
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In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, Rob, Jason, and Courtney reflect on their journey over the past year, celebrating their growth and milestones as a podcast. They discuss the importance of engaging with the church community, the challenges faced in 2024, and the significance of spiritual health. The hosts also highlight their top episodes and the impact these discussions have had on their listeners, emphasizing the need for rest and grounding in faith. In this conversation, the hosts explore various themes related to health, leadership, and the future of the church. They discuss the importance of work-life balance, particularly for pastors, and the unique challenges faced by women in leadership roles. Mental health and counseling are emphasized as essential components of pastoral care. The conversation also touches on worship team coaching and the revitalization of church experiences, culminating in a discussion about the future of the church and the importance of discipleship.
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In this Christmas special episode of the Church Talk podcast, hosts Jason, Rob, and Courtney discuss their holiday plans, family traditions, and the challenges that come with the Christmas season. They share personal anecdotes about their experiences, reflect on the meaning of Christmas, and offer advice for navigating the busy holiday period. The conversation also touches on the importance of community, setting goals for the new year, and creating meaningful traditions that celebrate family and faith.
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Rob, Jason, & Courtney talk with author and speaker Eric Hoke about his latest book "Market Street Pastor." Eric is a co-vocational church planter and proven marketplace professional specializing in staffing and corporate training. He has worked with thousands of eager career changers from around the world including church planters, missional church leaders, and pastors.
You can find out more about Eric's organization here: "I Help Pastors Find Jobs"
You can find his latest book here: Market Street Pastor
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Rob & Jason talk about discipleship with the authors of the new book "Creating Space," Bryan Sims and Craig Robertson. These men lead Spiritual Leadership, Inc and are passionate about helping churches make passionate spiritual disciples.
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You can find the book here: Creating Space
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Jason & Courtney talk with Tiffany Henning about her new organization called "Something's Gotta Change." Tiffany is curating resources to help pastors avoid and recover from burnout. Her new venture is focused on helping pastors build healthy rhythms into their lives and connecting them to resources to make it possible.
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Jason & Courtney have a fun and informative conversation with Jason Moore, author of AI and the Church. They talk about how churches can navigate the newest technologies of AI.
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Jason, Rob, & Courtney talk with Mark Barnes, Principle Product Manager of Bible Study Tools for LOGOS Software. They discuss AI and how LOGOS is incorporating it into the software as well as how pastors and leaders should approach using AI moving forward.
Best quote: "AI can't replace an encounter with God."
Mark Barnes has 20+ years in pastoral ministry as well as working bi-vocationally in I.T. He has been full time with LOGOS for almost 3 years.
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Jason, Rob & Courtney talk about spiritual formation, discipleship, and cleansing your algorithm in the post-apocalyptic world (or not, we recorded this before the election results were in!). They touch on a lot of practical insights for pastors and leaders as they try to lead people to be more like Jesus.
Resource Mentioned:
The Other Half of Church (Jim Wilder & Michel Hendricks)
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Jason & Rob talk about leading a church in the midst of political division and tensions. What does it mean to engage politically as a pastor and as a Christian? Jason gets a little feisty...
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Jason, Rob & Courtney have a lively discussion with one of their first guests on the podcast (see episode #6), the one and only Rev. Dr. Twanna Henderson! Twanna co-founded New Beginnings Church with her husband 25 years ago. It has grown from 12 people in a Bible Study to a thriving church with thousands attending each week. She is a gifted leader, teacher and communicator who not only leads at the church, she also leads in her community. She is a licensed Attorney who served thirteen years as a Civil Court Magistrate Judge for Mecklenburg County in Charlotte, NC. Currently, Twanna is serving her second term as a City Commissioner for Mint Hill.
Tell us what you think and how you have engaged both political issues and the community in general!
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Jason, Rob, & Courtney have a great conversation with Pastor Nick Daleo of Proving Ground Church in Lakehurst, NJ. His process of becoming a pastor and teacher is pretty unique, but in the process he learned some great lessons about authenticity and finding your voice as a leader. Whether you have been a lead pastor for decades, are just starting out, or you're a leader in your job or community (or home!), you will find some gold in today's conversation!
Pastor Nick has been in ministry for over 20 years before planting Proving Ground Church in 2020. As PGC's lead pastor, Pastor Nick is the primary communicator on Sunday Mornings. Pastor Nick oversees the entire staff and church operations and seeks to stay true to PGC's mission of "Loving people where they're at because Christ loves us where we are." Pastor Nick serves diligently with our district, Converge Mid-Atlantic to coach other church planters and discuss issues around church leadership, biblical diversity, marriage longevity, and more. Nick and his wife Tracey have three grown children.
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Rob & Jason sat down with the rising star, comedian Andrew Stanley before he headlined Comedy Night in Columbus, Ohio in September. Andrew grew as the grandson of the legendary Charles Stanley and son of the nationally known Andy Stanley. The conversation is filled with laughter and great insights for pastors and leaders who want to help their kids find their God-given calling.
Andrew Stanley grew up as a homeschooled preacher's kid, so it was unlikely that he would ever find love, become a comedian, or contribute to society in a meaningful way. Two out of three is not too bad! Now a husband and fast-rising stand-up comedian, Andrew has been performing all over the country. He was selected as the New Face of Comedy at Montreal's prestigious Just For Laughs Comedy Festival and he appeared on Nate Bargatze's "The Showcase" on Nateland in 2023.
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Jason & Rob had a lively conversation with comedian, magician, and inspirational speaker The Great Scott (Scott Francis). Scott was in town to open Comedy Night at Press Church in Columbus, OH. They talked about how to have a great marriage, how to enjoy every moment, and how to lead people well.
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Rob, Jason & Courtney have a great conversation about what pastors and leaders can do when their board is working against them. They talk about some practical tools to help in board development. This conversation is loaded with a lot of great stuff!
Key topics:
Navigating Tension in (and outside) the Board Room
Dealing with a Hurtful Board Member
Motivating an Apathetic Board
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Jason & Rob have an amazing conversation with author Bryan Crum about his new book "Neighbor, Love Yourself." Bryan spent a decade as a Hospice Chaplain and is still involved in hospital administration and care. The guys stumble into some really profound thoughts about untying the "nots" in your life as well as learning to let go of the "not enoughs" in our lives by embracing God's perspective on us. They even talk about putting doubt on a diet!
Rob and Jason still feel warm and fuzzy after this conversation!
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Rob, Courtney & Jason talk about finances and salaries and other things that often make pastors squirm with Ted Miller from Guardian Financial Group. They touch on everything from planning for retirement, asking for a raise, reasonable compensation for pastors and how to talk to your board about all of this.
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Jason & Courtney have an energetic conversation with Kim Tarlton of the Church Communication Group. They talk about how to talk about talking...communicating. If you are a leader (and if you are listening to this podcast you are!!) then you need to always be improving your communication skills and strategies.
Kim Tarlton
With 26 years as a creative leader at mega-churches, Kim excels in communications, strategy, and leadership. Leading the church consulting at Church Communications Group, she crafts tailored marketing strategies, coordinates teams, and drives successful campaigns. Kim's collaborative approach energizes meetings, leaving participants with actionable ideas. Her advocacy for multichannel communication solidifies her reputation as a visionary leader in church marketing. Kim is a certified facilitator of The Working Genius.
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In a special crossover episode, Jason is interviewed by Dale Sellers on the 95Network Podcast. They talk about Soul Care for pastors.
Jason serves on the 95Network team as a VisionDay Consultant and Soul Care Essentials Conference Presenter. You can find out more at 95Network.org.
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Jason, Rob, & Courtney have a lively discussion about the simple, beautiful faith of that stereotypical older lady in your congregation who can't explain theologically, much less epistemologically, why she believes what and how she does, but she just naturally connects with God. She can hold her faith tightly even when confronted with the fact that it defies historical, philosophical ideas.
The team also talks about "blessed ju ju," theological determinism, and why the Sacraments are becoming meaningless to many protestants (and especially Baptists).
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Jason, Rob & Courtney have a great conversation with Roy Yanke of PIR Ministries. They talk about self-awareness, leading from your strengths, and hope for the future in your ministry.
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Check out PIR Ministries for more information on the PRO-D Assessment and all the other resources Roy mentions.
Roy serves as the Executive Director of PIR Ministries, where he interacts daily with pastors who need a fresh dose of the message of restoration and renewal in Christ. Roy has been a workshop presenter for a variety of ministry seminars around the country on the topic of pastoral self-care. He has been the principal speaker for pastor’s retreats, a guest lecturer at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary and is a ministry coach. Roy writes regularly for Biblical Leadership.org and the Institute for Congregational Trauma and Growth.
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The CTP gang talks with Todd Rhoades, the other Co-Founder of Chemistry Staffing this week. The topics range from mistakes churches make when hiring, what future staff positions to be thinking about, and even how AI will impact staff issues in churches.
If your church is looking for a new staff member, Chemistry Staffing is a Church Talk Podcast recommended resource!
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Jason & Rob have a great conversation with Pastor Troy Gramling, author of "Potential: The Uncontainable Power of God Within You," and pastor of Potential Church in South Florida. They talk about inspiring people in your congregation lean into the amazing potential they have because of God's Spirit in them.
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Pastor Troy Gramling, a dedicated and inspirational spiritual leader, has led Potential Church for over two decades, overseeing its remarkable growth into a vibrant congregation of over 20,000 members, with a far-reaching presence spanning the United States and Latin America. His journey as a pastor is characterized by an unwavering commitment to his vision, fueled by a passion and a mission to partner with people to reach their God-given potential to impact the world for good.
Beyond his pastoral role, Pastor Troy Gramling is a multifaceted individual with a rich background. Before answering his divine calling, Pastor Troy honed his skills as a college basketball player and later as a coach, where he undoubtedly sharpened the values of teamwork, discipline, and dedication, which he now imparts to his congregation. His leadership insight is evident in his exceptional ability to develop and nurture leaders within the church community, ensuring that his ministry leaves a lasting legacy. Pastor Troy is known for his innovative and unconventional teaching methods, which captivate and inspire his congregation. His creative approach to spreading the message of Jesus resonates with people from all walks of life, making the profound teachings of the gospel accessible and relevant in today’s world.
Pastor Troy, with his devoted wife,Stephanie, and their loving family, has made South Florida their home, where the family is actively involved in the ministry ofPotential Church. His life’s work is a testament to the profound impact that faith can have on individuals and communities, and he continues to be a guiding light for those seeking to embrace their God-given potential and make a positive difference in the world.
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Jason & Courtney have a great conversation with Matt Steen, President and Co-Founder of Chemistry Staffing. This episode has lots of practical things that pastors and church leaders need to consider as they invest in their staff.
Some Resource Links:
Turn The Ship Around (David Marquet)
Tool for Resume Screening from Chemistry Staffing
Matt Steen Bio:
Matt has served the local church for over two decades as a youth pastor, church planter, and executive pastor. Originally from Baltimore, Matt currently lives in the Orlando, FL area with his wife Theresa, and has a B.S. in Youth Ministry from Nyack College and an M.Div. and MBA from Baylor University. Certified as an Urban Church Planter Coach by Redeemer City to City and as a StratOp facilitator by the Paterson Center, Matt has made a career of helping churches thrive through intentionality, clarity, and creating healthy cultures. He is convinced that a healthy church is led by a healthy team with great chemistry, and loves partnering with Chemistry’s churches to do great things for the Kingdom.
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Jason & Courtney talk with Dr. James O. Davis, President of the Global Church Network about what it will take for the Church to complete the Great Commission by it's 2000th birthday. Dr. Davis calls this dream Finish 2030. After co-founding Global Church Network with Bill Bright, Dr. Davis has built a network of more than 700,000 churches worldwide including 2750 denominations to train pastors and church leaders in evangelism and to plant churches. The conversation is both encouraging and challenging.
Finish:2030
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The team talks with Katy White of GoCorps. Katy works with non-profit leadership and local churches to ignite a passion for missions in young adults. In this conversation the team talks about characteristics of GenZ and how pastors and leaders can better understand how to love and shepherd this "hinge generation" who are truly natives in the global, digital world we all live in today. If you want to reach GenZ, you need to listen to the conversation and get Katy's book!
Mobilizing GenZ: Challenges and Opportunities for the Global Age of Missions
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The Church Talk team talks with Corey Alderin about how churches can communicate in the digital age. Corey started dabbling in the social media world by creating a Facebook Page when Pages were still new. His page reached 5 million followers! He understands communicating in today's world.
Corey built SermonShots.com for church leaders to leverage the weekly sermon for more impact. On this platform you can upload your sermon video and build reels for social media, prepare it for your podcast release and so much more...all in minutes! The best part is that you don't have to be a editing expert to use this tool.
The conversation touched on social media uses, how churches can develop effective communication strategies, as well as the possibilities of using AI in our ministry work.
Check out Sermonshots.com here.
Corey mentioned the AI website for church leaders - https://www.aiforchurchleaders.com/
Let the team know your thoughts on AI as well as how you utilize social media for your ministry.
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Jason, Rob, & Courtney get to record together in person for the first time ever! While attending the S2 Conference for Converge, they got out the microphones and talked about what they were learning and experiencing at the conference. Many listeners were not at this conference, but don't worry! You didn't have to be there to join this conversation. They talk about what might disqualify someone for ministry and why, how we talk about "calling" and why it can become abusive if you're not careful, as well as the sheer joy of all three being in the same room to talk!
Let us know how we can encourage, equip, or engage you by emailing us - jason@churchtalkproject.com or rob@churchtalkproject.com.
Jason, Rob, & Courtney talk about 10 things they've learned while creating 100 episodes of The Church Talk Podcast. Whether you are a pastor, leader, or just a regular person that thinks about Jesus occasionally, you will enjoy this conversation!
Courtney joins Rob & Jason to talk about what the Bible says about powers and principalities and how that impacts pastors and leaders today. What do you do when high level scientific researchers and AI coders are turning to psychedelic drug trips to find revelation and write better code? How do you proclaim the Gospel in the midst of such stranger things?
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Resources mentioned:
Supernatural: What the Bible Teaches about the Unseen World (Michael Heiser)
The Unseen Realm: Rediscovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible (Michael Heiser)
Rob & Jason talk about the importance of cultivating wisdom as a leader. Often, we think we are choosing "Mr. Right" but in reality we are choosing "Mr. Right Now." How can you tell the difference? What does wisdom look like for a pastor and leader?
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Sean Nemecek (author of A Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout) join Jason, Rob & Courtney for a great discussion on soul care in the summer.
You can find more from Sean at seannemecek.com
Jason, Rob, & Courtney talk about the "Summer Slump" in church. Is it still a thing? Can you lean into in such a way that it becomes a great time of ministry? We also draw some spiritual insights from the NHL and NBA playoffs.
Send us your "Summer Slump" teaching and ministry ideas!
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Jason & Rob talk leadership with Brian Dodd. Brian is now a 3x guest and the conversation is loaded with golden nuggets of wisdom for pastors! Brian's new book "Mighty: Seven Skills You Need to Move from Pandemic to Progress" is available now.
Explore more of Brian's wisdom and insight at www.briandoddonleadership.com.
Rob & Jason have a conversation with Will Mancini about his latest book, "Future Church." They cover a lot of stuff and it is packed with great insights and thoughts about how we "do church" moving forward. Get something to takes notes on! And order Will's book "Future Church"! You can get a free copy of the Future Church book visual summary at RunFree.co/content.
Will Mancini is the founder of Run Free Company and the creator of Younique. You can find out more at RunFree.co and WillMancini.com.
You can reach out to Rob & Jason at rob@churchtalkproject.com or jason@churchtalkproject.com.
Jason & Courtney talk with producer, director, and writer Temeko Richardson about her newest film "At the Cross." In the film she uses storytelling to introduce topics like generational leadership, succession planning for pastors, women in ministry, secrets, and more.
Director Temeko Richardson grew up in New York but used her higher education in different urban cities to propel a consulting career with clients all over the world. After securing a project in Southern California, she studied filmmaking and writing at New York Film Academy. However she most often writes in tranquil settings of East Hampton, Edgartown and Manhattan Beach.
Jason & Courtney have a very insightful conversation with Stacey Womack, the founder and executive director of ARMS (Abuse Recovery Ministry Services). They talk about Stacey's new book, On The Frontlines of Abuse.
This is a must listen for every pastor and church leader if they want tools to better serve their community!
ARMS
Jason & Rob talk with CR Pendleton about current and coming cultural trends churches need to watch. CR is a Grammy nominated and Dove Award winning musician, producer, and writer. He and Jason, along with Sean Lee, started Press Church in October 2020. CR continues to serve the church, and in recent months has begun producing music again. In this conversation, Jason and Rob pick his brain about current cultural trends.
Rob & Jason have a great conversation with Matt Miller who leads Worship Team Coach and Worship Workshop. Their conversation covers a lot of ground in the realm of leading a worship team, leading a worship leader, building a worship team, and more. Matt's company offers some top notch resources for pastors, worship leaders, & worship teams. They are extremely affordable and will have immediate impact with your teams.
Matt is not just a "coach" or "consultant," Matt practices what he preaches! For the past year, Matt has been on staff at a church which is in the middle of a revitalization project. Just 18 months ago, a new Lead Pastor came in and began rebuilding this great little church in Cincinnati, OH after 20 years of decline. Matt joined the team and has been putting into practice everything he talks about and teaches. And it is working!
Find out more at https://worshipworkshop.com/ or https://www.worshipteamcoach.com/**.
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Jason & Rob talk about recovering from the Easter Monday Blues as well as celebrating what God is doing in and through your ministry.
Rob & Jason talk with a local counselor, Kendra Diess, about ways in which church leaders try to escape the pain and difficulty of ministry in some unhealthy ways. They also discuss ways to avoid falling into some of these traps of addiction and escapism.
If you are struggling with any of this and need someone to talk to, please reach out to Rob or Jason today! We are not counselors, but we will listen and try to connect you with resources that will help you.
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Rob & Jason talk about how having so many resources can often hinder your ministry more than you realize. Most of us would never say we have too many resources! Yet, if we step back and look around, needing more resources is not the real obstacle to moving forward in our ministry mission. If anything, we rest on our resources rather than lean into our faith that God wants to work in and through us with or without all the resources at our fingertips. What would it look like to step out in faith and trust God to work instead of trusting in our resources and practices?
Courtney Trotter is back to talk with Jason and Rob. They reflect on theology and leadership. Courtney doubles the IQ of the podcast with her presence!
Rob & Jason talk with return guest and good friend Derek Sanford about how he is leading his church through a paradigmatic shift. They are moving from an attractional model to a disciple-making model...and the people are excited about it! After 30 years of ministry at his church (the last decade as the Lead Pastor), Derek is setting his congregation of 5000+ up to fulfill the Great Commission and make disciples well beyond the walls of their church building. They are "moving the finish line" and "changing the scorecard." If you want to learn more about please contact us!
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You can see Derek's message series introducing these concepts to his congregation at https://whoisgrace.org/
With Rob recovering from his surgery, Jason has a conversation with Aaron Damjanovich from the Eagle Brook Association about mission and vision clarity. They also discuss some bigger picture issues of leadership within churches. Even without the "One-Hip Wonder," the Church Talk Podcast dives deep into what it takes to lead a local church.
Rob & Jason have a powerful conversation with life coach, spiritual director, and old friend, Lisa Wells. How can pastors experience the presence of Christ more and more in their life and ministry? How can they lead their congregation toward a more connected life in Christ. You know when one of the host tears up, it's going to be an amazing conversation!
Rob & Jason welcome Courtney Trotter to the show! Courtney will be a regular "guest" host to bring a fresh voice to the table. She is planting a church in North Carolina and is a Biblical Language teacher with Kairos Classroom. Finally, the conversation expands beyond two, white, middle-aged dudes!
Rob & Jason talk values - what are they, do they matter, how do we measure them? Jason talks about a new way of looking at values in the context of discipleship. There's a lot of great stuff in today's conversation!
Special shout out to Jason's good friend Tom Tulberg and the Eagle Brook Association for their training in values. Reach out to the guys to get a EBA hook-up!
Jason & Rob talk about how the Church in America today is "Over-inspired and under-trained." A big shout out to friend of the podcast - Derek Sanford - who made this statement in a recent meeting with the guys. Jason & Rob discuss the implications of this idea moving forward as leaders.
Rob & Jason talk about serving when your life is not going well. Rob shares about his upcoming surgery that will keep him out of commission for several month at his church and how he is processing this with his church family.
Rob & Jason talk with CEO of Christian Care Ministry, Brandon Harvath about the Biblical model of meeting needs can be applied in every situation - even in the 21st Century.
Contact the guys and let them know what you are thinking!
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Brandon Harvath serves as the President and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Christian Care Ministry (CCM), the nonprofit 501(c)(3) association of churches that manages Medi-Share. CCM believes that we should reclaim the biblical mandate to care and provide for our brothers and sisters in Christ. Through CCM's healthcare sharing programs – among others – Christians are able to share each other's everyday burdens, much like the early church did in the book of Acts.
Jason & Rob hang out with the one and only Clayton King! The conversation covers topics like how to stay in ministry when it is really tough, current trends to pay attention to, and a lot more. The guys make Clayton's new nickname official and now only call him "Wolfgang."
Wolfgang's passion is contagious as well as his love for Jesus. You can find him on all the Socials (@clayton_king) or at www.claytonking.com. He has written a dozen books and is an professor of Evangelism at Anderson University.
Jason & Rob discuss what trends they anticipate will have the biggest impact on churches in 2024. Let them know what you think!
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Jason and Rob talk about the highlights of the last 18 months of the podcast as well as trends they are noticing. They touch on a couple of fascinating observations.
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Rob & Jason enter the world of gaming with the founder and CEO of TruPlay Games, Brent Dusing for a conversation about high-quality Christian video Games. Jason asked if you could use the words "high-quality" and "Christian" together to describe any kind of media product, but Brent made it clear that TruPlay will only release games that are "awesome!" Since kids are already going to spend time on screens, let's at least give them content that will point them to God.
Check out TruPlay today and see for yourself. You will be surprised at the quality!!
Brent Dusing is the CEO and founder of TruPlay, a gaming platform created to bring high-quality, fun, and biblically sound entertainment to audiences worldwide.
An entrepreneur at heart, Dusing pioneered game creation with Christian content through LightsideGames, a Christian gaming studio reaching more than 7 million game players worldwide and resulting in 25,000 decisions for Christ. As the founder and CEO of Cellfire, Dusing created the nation's leading mobile coupon company, used today by grocers like Safeway and Kroger, and resulting in Catalina Marketing acquiring Cellfire for $108 million. He began his career as a venture capitalist at Menlo Ventures, where he sourced multiple nine-figure exits and generated top-quartile returns. Over his career, Dusing has been featured on CNN, Fox News, ABC News, The Wall Street Journal, New York Times, USA Today, Entertainment Weekly, and other news media.
Dusing has a bachelor’s degree in economics from Harvard University.
Jason & Rob have a great conversation with Bart Blair about a new resource he has written for churches looking for renewal called "Praying for Renewal in Our Church: A 40 Day Guide to Prayer." Bart is the Lead Digital Marketing Coach for Missional Marketing, a coach and consultant for Assist Church Expansion, Founder and Church Growth Strategist for Make More Disciples, and he is helping plant a church in Texas. If you want to lead your church in renewal through prayer, this is the guy to contact!
Rob & Jason talk all things small groups with Adam Erlichman, author of "Group Leader Training" as well a pastor, a consultant, and a best-selling author with Build Groups LLC. Adam serves on the Southern Baptist Texas Convention Discipleship Team/Board. You can find out more about Adam at www.buildgroups.net.
Jason & Rob have a great conversation with Dustin Manis, CEO of Reaching Souls International. They talk about pastor burnout, sabbatical, and the desperate need to share the Gospel. The conversation gets a little lively and Dustin's heart for evangelism is clearly a driving force in his life and work.
Find out more about Reaching Souls International.
Jason & Rob talk with author, coach, consultant and spiritual director Sean Nemecek about his newest book: "A Weary Leaders Guide to Burnout." Four questions to check your burn...
1. Are you fatigued to your bones?
2. Are you feeling less or in-affective at work?
3. Have you lost your sense of self or your sense of joy?
4. Do you feel stuck or have you lost your sense of hope?
You can find Sean's book and more at www.seannemecek.com or www.pastorsoul.com.
Jason & Rob continue their conversation with Brian Dodd as they explore the Discipleship Journey of a Giver along several other rabbit trails!
You can find more from Brian at www.briandoddonleadership.com or INJOYstewardship.com. You can contact Brian at briand@injoystewardship.com.
Best quote of the podcast: "Leaders don't have to get their way, but they need to have their say."
Rob & Jason talk with Brian Dodd of INJOY Ministries and it is GOLD!! They both were taking notes while talking with Brian. The conversation went a little longer than usual and there is so much that they didn't get to that they have already scheduled Brian back to keep the conversation going!
Brian Dodd currently serves as the Senior Consultant for INJOY Stewardship Solutions, where he helps churches fully-fund their mission and vision for their church. Brian also writes a Top 10 most-read Christian leadership blog, entitled Brian Dodd on Leadership. Brian states the goal for the site is “to take everyday life experiences we all have and process them in the light of leadership.” He is constantly updating the site with blog posts and e-books that are all leadership focused. Brian’s site is consistently viewed by some of the greatest leaders in the industry and over the past fifteen years, the readership of his website has grown to more than 70,000 per month. Brian has authored several additional books, including 2021: The Year in Leadership; Timeless: 10 Enduring Practices of Apex Leaders, 10 Indispensable Practices of the 2-Minute Leader, and the recent best-seller Mighty: 7 Skills You Need to Move from Pandemic to Progress.
Jason & Rob talk about the Middle East and Andy Stanley's latest conference called "Unconditional." Engaging ministry in the messiness of the real world is hard but we have to do it.
Rob & Jason discuss annual sermon planning with tips and tools to help you start the year with a plan. They would love to hear how you do this and would be happy to share the tools they use with you. Reach out to them at jason@churchtalkproject.com or rob@churchtalkproject.com.
Rob & Jason talk with author, speaker, and founder of Fathers in the Field, John Smithbaker about his new book "Man Enough to Forgive: Healing the Wounds of Fatherhood Abandonment." John shares his perspective on manhood and masculinity and recovering a man's role as pastor, protector and provider for his family. We'd love to hear your thoughts. If you want to learn more about his ministry click the link above.
Rob & Jason talk about measuring discipleship. Jason has been talking with some folks at the Eagle Brook Association and noticed their emphasis on measuring key indicators in discipleship. He and Rob discuss what this might look like and how to adapt it to your setting.
You can find more from Eagle Brook here:
https://eaglebrookassociation.com/
Rob & Jason talk about leading in a polarized culture. It isn't easy and there are no simple fixes.
How have you dealt with the polarizing culture we live in? Share you stories with us!
Rob & Jason close out "Spiritual Health Awareness Month" by talking about ways to help your staff stay spiritually healthy. Very practical, very doable. Whether your staff is paid or volunteer, as a pastor, you are responsible for creating an atmosphere where they can maintain spiritual health in the midst of ministry.
Let us know some things you do with your staff! Email us at jason@churchtalkproject.com or rob@churchtalkproject.com.
Rob & Jason continue their Spiritual Health Awareness Month conversation. This week they talk about how pastors can find friends.
If you need someone to talk to, please reach out to Rob or Jason
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Rob & Jason invent a new special emphasis month: September - Spiritual Health Awareness Month! They are sure that Hallmark will be calling them, but in the meantime they talk about spiritual health practices for pastors and how to develop them. All month long they will be focusing on spiritual health for pastors.
Rob & Jason talk with Tim Armstrong about models of leadership. The conversation is filled with interesting insights and thought-provoking concepts around how we lead. Tim brings over 30 years of leadership experience as a church planter, mega-church pastor, movement leader, as well as committed discipler of people and lover of his family.
Tim planted a church in 1996 that exploded with growth. Jason was on staff there with Tim. That church continues to thrive and grow even after Tim handed the reins over and has since moved to take on other roles. He currently serves at Bell Shoals Church in Tampa Bay and is overseeing the planting of new campuses.
Rob & Jason talk with software builder and social media guru, Corey Alderin about his latest platform - Sermon Shots. Corey is passionate about helping churches leverage their sermons to create content for social media and thus connecting with the people around them. The conversation touches on the how-to of this platform, but it also delves into why we should even think about a digital presence.
Find out how to get started at www.sermonshots.com
Rob & Jason talk with Aaron Burke who just released his new book "The Unfair Advantage." Jason was skeptical of the book before reading it, but found it very good and insightful. Their conversation covers a lot of territory, and it packed with tons of great insight for pastors and leaders. If you feel like you've been through an unfair season, this episode is filled with hope for you!
You can find Aaron on Instagram (@aaronrburke) or www.aaronburke.com. You can purchase "The Unfair Advantage" here or wherever you buy books.
Aaron Burke (DMin, MBA) is the lead pastor of Radiant Church, which he and his wife, Katie, started in 2013 after selling everything and moving in faith to a new city. Radiant Church now has eight campuses throughout the Tampa Bay community. Aaron’s passions are building the local church and helping Christians live into their God-given potential.
In addition to pastoring at Radiant, Aaron regularly speaks at churches and conferences across America. He also works heavily with planting churches and developing leaders in South Asia (Sri Lanka and India). His work with equipping leaders includes his Made for More leadership podcast and partnering with the Association of Related Churches (ARC) and the Church Multiplication Network (CMN) to train church planters. Aaron and his wife have been married since 2010 and have five beautiful children. He loves to travel, spend time with his family, and do CrossFit.
Rob & Jason look back at season 2 and talk about what they've learned. They also share what God is currently teaching them in ministry. They also give a little sneak peak at Season 3!
Rob & Jason talk with Pastor Trevor Williams. Pastor Williams was in a terrible car accident 2 years ago. He and all 3 of his kids were rushed to the hospital with life-threatening injuries, and tragically, his wife of 17 years did not survive the accident. Within the next 12 months, Pastor Williams also lost his father and grandmother. Somehow, in the midst of all that loss, Trevor has found peace in Christ that is nothing short of miraculous. He wouldn't say that he understands any of it, but he is finding a way to get through it (with a lot of help!). His is a powerful story of loss and hope, pain and healing.
Pastor Trevor Williams is almost done writing a book recounting what he has learned from the past 2 years. It will be coming out in October. The Church Talk Project will post more information once the details are known.
Rob & Jason talk about what to do as a leader when values collide. Over the last 30 years both Jason & Rob have dealt with this situation in various conditions. Of course, they have a little fun while they talk about the issue!
Let us know what you think about Rob's story about his seminary class scenario.
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Rob & Jason recap their "Poke the Bear" workshop at Converge MidAtlantic's UNITED Conference. Main points:
Honestly question your motive(s)
Humility goes a long way
Proximity Matters
Listen to understand - your response matters…even your first response
Don’t pull your punches
But…punch with velvet gloves
Make sure you’re fluent on all sides of the issue
Rob & Jason talk with Justin Knapp, founder of SpaceTogether about how churches can use their buildings better and even generate some revenue for ministry. Justin's story is quite amazing and the platform he has developed is helping 1000s of businesses and churches all over the country.
Find out more about Justin and SpaceTogether at www.spacetogether.com.
Jason & Rob take a break from the Converge United Conference to chat with Ron Crawford of New Vision Church in Bowie, MD about how he navigated (once poorly and now much more successfully) handing over the baton of leadership to the next generation of leaders.
Ron is now beginning the next chapter of his ministry as a life coach and consultant. He started his own company, "Coach Ron's Change Connections" to help people in all walks of life manage change and move forward in life. You can find out more about Change Connections at www.CoachRonsCC.com or on IG & FB @coachronscc. Watch Ron's story in more detail on YouTube at Coach Ron's Change Connection.
Rob & Jason talk with nationally known communications expert Mark Weaver about what church leaders need to know BEFORE a crisis happens. When a crisis occurs (and they will!) are you ready to deal with all the layers of complexity in communicating with multiple groups of people? Mark can help you!
Find out more about Mark Weaver and Communications Counsel
Download the "Crisis Card" Mark talked about.
Find Mark's Book, "A Wordsmiths Work"
Rob & Jason have an amazing conversation with Dan White Jr. that covers a gamut of topics. Dan is always engaging and displays his wisdom and wit as the guys talk about how pastors can refill their spiritual, emotional, and physical tanks as well as how to drop a truth bomb without starting a sh*t storm!
Dan has planted and pastored in rural, suburban, and urban churches for the last 20+ years. Dan and Tonya opened The Kineo Renewal and Retreat Center in Puerto Rico. This is a beautiful space, between the mountains and sea, for ministry leaders to process their tired and traumatized souls.
Rob & Jason talk "creeds" today with special guest Philip Caray. Why should pastor care about the creeds and will anyone even notice?
PHILLIP CARY is professor of philosophy at Eastern University in Philadelphia and author of several books, including Good News for Anxious Christians and The Meaning of Protestant Theology.
You can get Phil's book here.
Rob & Jason talk with author Jeremy Writebol about his new book "Pastor, Jesus is Enough." They explore Jesus' letters to the seven churches in Revelation 2-3 and what these might be saying to pastors today. If you have felt overwhelmed or a little tired lately, you will get a lot out of this conversation!!
You can find Jeremy's book here.
JEREMY WRITEBOL is the lead campus pastor of Woodside Bible Church in Plymouth, Michigan, and executive director of Gospel-Centered Discipleship. He is the author of everPresent: How the Gospel Relocates Us in the Present.
Rob & Jason talk with Aaron Armstrong about his new book, "I'm a Christian, Now What?" The conversation covers a lot of ground. Aaron became a Christian as an 20-something and, therefore, brings a fresh perspective on what discipleship means for a young adult who has no idea what it means to follow Jesus.
AARON ARMSTRONG serves at his local church as a small group leader, a children’s ministry teacher, and an occasional Sunday morning teacher. He loves to write, especially to help people grow as followers of Jesus. He is the author of multiple books.
You can find Aaron's book here.
Connect with Aaron here.
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Rob & Jason talk about Rob's recent follow up with Guardian Wealth Management. What do pastors and church leaders need to think about when it comes to future financial planning? What questions do you need to ask? What can you expect? Share your story with us!
Jason & Rob talk about Jason's recent visit to a casino and compared it to how visitors feel walking into your church. Let us know how you welcome guests. Let us know how you keep your space welcoming and ready for your guests.
Rob & Jason talk with Dave Miller, Co-Founder of Leadership Pathway, about developing leaders and even staff members from the next generation. The conversation covers a lot of ground so buckle up!
You can learn more about Leadership Pathway and their residency programs at www.leadershippathway.org.
Resources referenced in the show:
Gen Z Unfiltered by Dr. Timothy Elmore
Greenlights by Matthew McConaughey
Rob & Jason talk tech with Nathan James, SVP of Product Management at Ministry Brands Amplify. Ministry Brands is the umbrella company for church administrative software products used by over 90,000 churches. Even if you are not in the market for a new ChMS platform, the conversation provides a ton of encouragement for pastors as well as some practical ways to stay focused on the mission of reaching people in your community with the Gospel. If you are looking for new and better ways to manage all the church data, reach out today. Ministry Brand certainly has the Church Talk stamp of approval!
Rob & Jason have an amazing conversation with Jenny Bolinger and Emily Manders. Both of these women are involved in local church ministry as well as working on staff with Converge MidAtlantic (full disclosure: Jason works on staff with them and Rob is highly involved in leadership with the denomination!). They are candid and honest in their comments but they offer some great insights that will help church leaders identify and empower new leaders in their congregation. If you are a male pastor, you need to listen to this conversation!
Rob & Jason talk with Jason Hamrock, the CEO of Missional Marketing. They cover a lot of ground and Jason Hamrock gives some GREAT insight on how to think about marketing in our digital world. His heart for Jesus comes through clearly, as well as his passion for the local church.
If you want to talk with Jason Hamrock and the Missional Marketing team, you can find them here: Missional Marketing Podcast, BLOG, FB Church Communications Group.
You can get a free local SEO report here.
Rob & Jason discuss how we advertise Easter, church Super Bowl Parties, and Christmas Eve services. Join the conversation by reaching out to the guys (jason@churchtalkproject.com or Rob@churchtalkproject.com) and share some of your marketing success stories or failures.
Rob and Jason talk with Chris Martin about his newly released book, "The Wolf in their Pockets: 13 Ways the Social Internet Threatens the People You Lead." They cover several issues around social media, discipleship, and leading a church in the digital age.
Purchase the book here
Find Chris' blog and more at www.termsofservice.social
Chris is an author, editor of Bibletolife.com, and content marketing editor at Moody Publishers. You can follow him on Twitter at @chrismartin17.
Rob & Jason have a great conversation with Jamison Davis of Guardian Wealth Management about financial resources for churches as well as pastors. They talk about planning for retirement (and some important things you need to know about it) as well as resources for churches for better bookkeeping, payroll processing, and insurance. Besides all the great information, Jamison is a great guy and the guys have a lot of fun talking with him!
You can contact Jamison at Jamison.Davis@GuardianWM.com
(480) 543-9413
Download a free "Tax Considerations for Pastors" white paper here: https://guardianwm.com/free-download/
Jason tells Rob about what he learned from Glenn Packiam at a workshop recently. You can learn more about Glenn here and his recent book "The Resilient Pastor." Jason outlines 3 paradigms of "doing church" - Encounter, Mission, & Formation. Each of these offer a different focus and perspective on what the leaders of the congregation are hoping to accomplish on Sunday mornings. Rob and Jason discuss what this looks like when you try to evaluate the church you lead.
Rob & Jason talk with Pastor Dan Nold from Calvary Baptist Church in State College, PA. Dan has been the pastor at Calvary for almost 30 years and has shepherded the church from a congregation of 300 to almost 2000 with multiple locations. His wisdom and insight into what is happening in the world today is remarkable. Jason and Rob could have talked with Dan for hours...but they let him go.
Show Notes:
Find out more about Dan at www.calvarysc.org
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Rob & Jason talk with Dale Sellers, Executive Director of 95Network, about the Soul Care Essentials Conference he leads with pastors and church leaders. Rob & Jason had just spent the day at this conference which The Church Talk Project sponsored. They cover a lot of topics as they discuss how pastors are thriving and struggling as we begin 2023.
For more information on 95Network as well as the Soul Care Essentials Conference, you can contact Dale through 95Network or reach out to Rob (rob@churchtalkproject.com) or Jason (jason@churchtalkproject.com).
Rob & Jason talk about leadership, but not like you think. Leadership is a lot like money - it is can lure you down a dark path and it can be used in great ways. The question you must think about is what leadership is doing to your soul.
Rob & Jason talk with Nathan Gordon, Director of the Delaware Dream Center (Delaware, OH). Nathan started with the Delaware Dream Center 2 years ago and through partnerships with the Columbus Dream Center, local churches, and other organizations it serves over 300 families every week. He talks about how churches can work together to reach "the least of these" while growing healthy disciples.
If you would like to support the Delaware Dream Center, you can find out more at https://www.columbusdreamcenter.org/delaware.
Rob & Jason ask some questions about what we measure to determine success. Do we need to adjust our expectations? Are we even measuring the right metrics? What would Jesus measure to determine if we were actually fulfilling His mission for the Church? Jason even pushes some heretical limits and gets feisty!
In this episode, Jason mentions a graph that includes "vital signs" and "critical conditions". Vital signs are metrics that should be moving up and to the right. Critical conditions are measurements that should remain constant within a range. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.
Rob & Jason have a conversation about the challenge of assessing our own success. How do we define reality without creating excuses for simply not doing a good job? What are some skills that pastors and church teams can work on in today's world?
Rob and Jason have a conversation with Jon Sanders, Co-Founder of EntrePastors. Jon has over 20 years of ministry experience and a passion for using his voice to motivate and inspire leaders in business through his professional coaching, speaking, and podcasting platforms. Jon and Jason are both also part of the 95Network team (www.95Network.org).
You can connect with Jon at jon@entrepastors.com, www.entrepastors.com. or facebook.com/entrepastors.
Real Artists Don't Starve (Jeff Goins)
Rob and Jason talk with Michael Curtis, who pastors at Second Baptist Church in Delaware, OH. Michael and Jason have been friends for several years and have stood together during some racially tense times. They talk about what it takes for pastors to model racial reconciliation to their congregations and to their communities.
Rob and Jason have a conversation with Sean Lee, Lead Pastor of Press Church. Jason is part of the Executive Leadership Team of Press with Sean, and they have navigated launching in the middle of a pandemic, 2 mergers, and developing a teaching team around Sean, who had never preached a sermon before starting Press Church. Over the last 3 years, Press Church has been able to establish a thriving community of believers who are trying to engage their community with the message of Jesus. Sean has already become a powerful speaker who is leading Press Church into the next chapter of ministry.www.presschurch.tv
Rob and Jason talk about how we can start setting goals again. Now that the craziness of the last few years is in the rearview mirror, it’s time to start thinking about planning. How can you start 2023 with some real goals? Rob is a certified pro in the Full Focus Planner system. He outlines what SMARTER Goals look like.
S - Specific
M - Measurable
A - Actionable
R - Risky
T - Timebound
E - Exciting
R - Relevant
Rob & Jason respond to a question from a listener: How can I tell the difference between a wolf in the congregation and a sheep with honest questions. You'll hear some stories of wolves as well as sheep in the church.
To ask questions of Rob & Jason, reach out to us on the socials or at jason@churchtalkproject.com or rob@churchtalkproject.com.
Rob & Jason talk with Bill Scarberry about how he dealt with some pretty tragic events in his life. Somehow, out of tragedy, Bill was able to grow better in his faith rather than bitter. Join the conversation with us on the socials or email us at jason@churchtalkproject.com or rob@churchtalkproject.com.
Rob & Jason talk about how pastor and church leaders can deal with holiday stress. If you have any ways you deal with the stress of the holiday season, please share them with us!
Rob & Jason have a conversation with Ross Manders of Restoration Church in Levitown, PA about how his church is engaging their community. Historically, their community has been extremely distrustful of churches and so Ross talks about how his church is learning to practice generosity and grace to rebuild trust.
Rob & Jason begin a conversation about how many churches have pivoted in their strategies over the last few years, but only a few have truly innovated. Jason refers to Les McKeown's book DO/LEAD and his interview with Carey Nieuwhof.
Find the book here
Find the interview with Carey Nieuwhof here
Rob & Jason talk with Pastor Howdie Burnett about legacy and faithfulness in ministry. Howdie pastored a small church in a small town (Perrysville, OH) for 40 years. He recently retired and reflects on the highs and lows of a long tenure in one place. The average pastor stays at a church for around 5 years. Is this long enough to really impact a community?
Rob and Jason talk politics...and talk about how to talk about politics in church without civil war breaking out. The guys explore a lot of really important concepts.
Rob & Jason begin a conversation about knowing when to let it go, quit, leave, and/or give up. Often, when people in our church leave we either demonize them or try to say that we needed them to leave so we could grow. But when pastors leave it is because “God called me to a new ministry.” Why do we treat these situations so differently? How do we know when it is really time to leave?
Rob & Jason begin a conversation about knowing when to let it go, quit, leave, and/or give up. Often, when people in our church leave, we either demonize them or try to say that we needed them to leave so that we could grow. But when pastors leave it is because "God called me to a new ministry." Why do we treat these situations so differently? How do we know when it is really time to leave?
RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Parker Palmer, "Let Your Life Speak"
Henry Cloud, "Necessary Endings"
Seth Godin, "The Dip"
Rob & Jason have a conversation with Dan Krause, Senior Pastor of Berean Baptist Church in Mansfield, OH. Dan accepted the position at Berean just a month before the COVID-19 Pandemic, which made moving from Anchorage, Alaska to Ohio a difficult task! Having served as a chaplain for a professional hockey team as well as planting 2 churches in Alaska, Dan knows what gritty ministry looks like. But Dan also knows how the grace of God moves in mysterious ways. It is at this confluence of Grace & Grit that ministry is not only beautiful, it is powerful.
Rob & Jason start a conversation with church planter and soon-to-be author Jason Coache of Wellspring Church in Toms River, NJ. Wellspring started with a bang, imploded, recovered, and then struggled with some fallout around COVID. They are recovering and God is moving. Jason will be publishing his first book, "Recipe for Success," soon. He talks about his own spiritual journey through success, failure, and the road to obedience.
Rob and Jason start a conversation about how a pastor’s physical, mental, relational, and spiritual health all matter to the health of the church. They come up with some practical steps and tools for building healthy teams as well as healthy pastors.
Rob and Jason start a conversation with Dale Sellers, Executive Director of 95 Network and author of the book “Stalled: Hope & Help for Pastors Who Thought They’d Be There By Now.” They talk about small churches, growing churches, and resources for the “soul care” of pastors. You can find out more about 95 Network at www.95network.org. Make sure and listen for how you can get a free copy of Dale’s book.
Rob and Jason start a conversation about a way of reading Scripture that is seeping into the Church called “Hermeneutical Narcissism” or “Narcigesis”. Jason gets a little nerdy and Rob asks some challenging questions. See Jason’s blog post on the Church Talk Project website.
https://churchtalkproject.com/hermeneutical-narcissism/
Rob and Jason start a conversation with Rob’s 17 year-old son Christopher who is sensing a “call” into ministry. They talk about how a next-gen leader sees the world, sees the Church, and sees ministry. Find out how you can better connect with the next-gen leaders in your church.
Rob and Jason start a conversation about how whether or not doing “Church” the way we are currently doing it is working. They look at recent Gallup polls revealing that the number of people who believe in God has dropped significantly and the number of people who attend any kind of house of worship has dropped to under 50% in the US. What can/should church leaders do about this?
Gallup poll - 81% of people believe in God. https://news.gallup.com/poll/393737/belief-god-dips-new-low.aspx
Living Lutheran - “My Take: They May Not Come Back” https://www.livinglutheran.org/2022/03/my-take-they-may-not-come-back/?fs=e&s=cl&fbclid=IwAR01xGhOoMA_VDykHUJf8OCcMZIxALVigRbUVkyVZBg_tn1GsxZaZcHrJvQ&fs=e&s=cl
Rob and Jason start a conversation with Twanna Henderson about how to find healing and rejuvenation after a long season of pain, difficulty, and trauma. Twanna Henderson co-founded New Beginnings Church in Matthews, NC with her husband, Michael. She serves as the Executive Minister of Church Ministries. She is also a workshop and retreat speaker, a certified Personal Growth Coach, and a Christian lay counselor. Twanna also serves as the National Director of Bridge Network Women's Ministry for Converge and is the host of the monthly Podcast entitled T-Time: Conversations For, With & About Women. Twanna was recently elected in an at-large race to the Board of Commissioners for Mint Hill, North Carolina. Her historic win made her the first person of color to ever sit on the Town Board.
Twanna has a Bachelor of Arts in Communications from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, a Juris Doctor Law Degree from North Carolina Central University in Durham, NC, she studied at Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary in the Master of Christian Leadership program, and she holds an Honorary Doctorate of Divinity from St. Thomas Christian University in Jacksonville, Florida. In addition, she is also a licensed Attorney who served thirteen years as a Civil Court Magistrate Judge for Mecklenburg County in Charlotte, NC. In the fall of 2013, she published her first book, Dancing with the Scars.
Rob and Jason start a conversation about handing off leadership to the next generation.
Rob and Jason start a conversation with the first-ever guest: Derek Sanford. He is the pastor of Grace Church in Erie, PA and the author of “Untapped Church: Discovering the Potential Hidden in Your Congregation.” They talk about what it looks like to develop a culture where the people are truly the heart of the ministry.
(For more about Derek and to purchase his book go to www.dereksanford.com)
Rob and Jason start a conversation about models of ministry around the imagery of herding cattle in Australia. Which is more effective: fences or wells? How would you describe your church ministry model?
(For a deeper dive: See Centered-Set Church: Discipleship and Community Without Judgmentalism. Mark D. Baker 2021 IVP. PP 39-41)
Questions for Discussion:
- What are examples of fences we build in churches today?
- Why do we build them?
- How can we identify fences that we’ve built? How do we tear them down?
- What would it look like if we started digging a well and made pointing people to it the primary focus of our ministry?
Rob and Jason start a conversation about what it means to be a “healthy” or “strong” church. They talk about Quantitative v. Qualitative measurements of effectiveness for churches as well as discuss the top priorities of healthy churches. Also, Church in the News - Americans aren’t going to church anymore.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/march/vineyard-anaheim-disassociate-alan-scott-john-wimber-church.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/less-than-half-of-americans-are-members-of-houses-of-worship-americans-god-churches-catholics-generation-x-b1824613.html
Rob and Jason introduce themselves and start a conversation about what the pandemic revealed regarding how on- or off-mission the Church is today. They talk about how a church can re-engage the mission God has given them in the midst of the uncertainty of our times. Also, Church In the News - how do we deal with more scandals among church leaders?
- https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/march/dietrich-bonhoeffer-russia-christian-pastors-ukraine-war.html
- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/for-some-pastors-the-past-year-was-too-much-to-bear-people-wisconsin-southern-california-churches-michigan-b1844081.html
- https://medium.com/belover/top-10-evangelical-sex-scandals-of-2021-946d89760e73