The Thinking Voice: Recent Episodes
Vocal Health Education
Since forming Vocal Health Education, one question that comes up time and again is, “When are you doing a podcast?!” Well we now have an answer! It’s NOW! The Thinking Voice podcast by Dr Jenevora Williams, Robert Sussuma and Stephen King is all about exploring the human voice through open conversation. The podcast is split in to two types of episode; INTERVIEWS and CONVERSATIONS. The Interviews; The Interviews will be released every two weeks, and will follow a standard interview format, with one host interviewing a special guest. The topic of conversation is always about how the guest journeyed into the world of Vocal Health. The Conversations; The conversations are real time, unplanned musings between Dr Jenevora Williams, Stephen King and Robert Sussuma and include phenomenological, existential, anatomic, pedagogic and experiential motor learning principles. The nature of these conversations will see a one word topic be steered down all kinds of cobbled conversational streets between the three hosts, unpicking relevant research (sometimes published by the hosts themselves) or anecdotal concepts and “practice based evidence”. We can’t wait to share this with you!For more information:Vocal Health Education: www.vocalhealth.co.ukThe Singing Self - Robert Sussuma: www.thesingingself.comJenevora Williams: www.jenevorawilliams.com
As ever, the three hosts chat about how this most interesting topic of 'imposter syndrome' matters for singers and voice users. Robert Sussuma talks about how we might come to learn to be an imposter in Facebook groups or forums, Stephen King talks about how The Wizard of Oz is a perfect example of imposter syndrome and Dr Jenevora Williams begins a discussion around the frequency of the imposter feelings.
CONTENT WARNING
In this episode, we discuss things related to trauma. Whilst we don't give any clear examples or case studies it is worth noting that we define trauma and talk around the subject.
In this conversation, your hosts Dr Jenevora Williams, Robert Sussuma and Stephen King discuss the way in which psychological and vocal trauma precipitate. There are definitions, revised definitions and even the DSM-5 makes an appearance!
Education, rehabilitation after rehabilitation and vocal learning are all discussed in this interesting and thought provoking episode. Stephen's latest paper "Grieving a Previous Voice" is also outlined and discussed within the framework of grief and moving on.
Our three hosts, Stephen King, Robert Sussuma and Dr Jenevora Williams explore the what they might have said to their younger selves.
This is an intimate conversation that pulls apart the past, present and future, as well as exploring what it means to “do the hard yards” in your career.
Acupuncture has been used and documented to help voice and throat problems since the Book of the Yellow Emperor in 180BCE. In this ancient tome, there is mention of “Plum Stone Throat” or as we would say, Globus Pharyngeous.
Caroline Van Looy, a Masters level Speech Therapist from Belgium joins Stephen King as they discuss the inclusion of Acupuncture in their voice therapy work.
Join the up coming Acupuncture for Voice training in July 2024 here: https://www.vocalhealth.co.uk/medical-acupuncture-voice-swallowing/
In this weeks, episode of the Thinking Voice podcast, Robert, Jenevora and Stephen discuss the complexities of gatekeeping and the lengths we go to to keep our education, titles and information truly representable.
This episode also discusses the intricacy of ‘the journey’, be it to our studio, to work, to learn or heal.
Dr Jenevora Williams is in conversation with Maurice Goodwin SLP. There is much talk about ‘staying in your lane’ as a clinician or practitioner. What does this mean? Who makes the decisions? What happens if you wander over the line? If we are comparing the regulations in the US with those in the UK, is there really much of a difference, and what are the real practical necessities for us to remain ethically within our scope of practice?
In this episode, Stephen interviews Chris Johnson. Chris Johnson's performance career began in a casual choir, but then the joy (and, sometimes the fear) of stepping out in-front of hundreds of people got addictive. So addictive that it made him develop his own performance which led Chris into the professional world of singing for twelve years; years through which he learned a lot about himself as a performer.
Vocal coaching was inevitably born from that, embarking on a mission to help others avoid having to get a ‘real’ job. Through his coaching work, he's pleased to say that major label artists, West End leads, backing vocalists, singer/songwriters and vocal coach all put their trust in him to take good care of their instruments.
Chris also thoroughly enjoys the work he does with his teacher training company, TeachVoice.com, helping singing teachers all over the world to up-skill and navigate the overwhelming amount of pedagogical options.
In complement to coaching, Chris has trained in laryngeal manual therapies, somatic work, and studied extensively with researchers in vocal acoustics. Through his popular podcast and blog, The Naked Vocalist, he has also had the opportunity to connect and share with many progressive voice researchers and pedagogues.
Join our hosts for the “Love Conversation”, where they explore how we might begin to love our voices, and the processes involved in becoming a vocalist. As ever, Dr Jenevora Williams, Robert Sussuma and Stephen King move around the realms of philosophy, music, pedagogy and psychology in order to better flesh out the theories presented in the present.
Join our hosts Dr Jenevora Williams, Stephen King and Robert Sussuma on an exploration of Reflux. In this episode you’ll hear about the details of Stephen’s latest research paper, the somatic world of Robert and Jenevora’s clinical observations. Of course, the biopsychosocial model makes a timely appearance, as well as an unexpected intruder into Jenevora’s studio (listen to the blooper at the end!)
The “Tremor Conversation” sees our hosts take you on a whirlwind adventure through coffee snobbery, inevitability, vibrato, orgasms (yes you read that right!) and more! As ever, Dr Jenevora Williams, Robert Sussuma and Stephen King bring an illuminated perspective on what it is to teach, and work with voices.
A fascinating and heart-warming insight into working inclusively in the teaching studio. Join Jenevora and Miriam Allan as they discuss neurodiversities, teaching and learning. Miriam describes ways of working with the student to create a safe place; using play, innovation, imagination and creativity.
Jenevora and Nic talk about the spoken voice, how we can be authentic in our intention - with voiceovers, broadcasts and podcasts. The conversation moved through identity (who we would like to be), judgement (what others may think of us) and primarily about liberation (a big philosophical one that had us both thinking). Nic’s book ‘On the Mic’ is out now.
In this episode of The Thinking Voice Podcast, hosts Robert Sussuma, Stephen King, and Dr. Jenevora Williams dive into the world of voice pedagogy and explore the concept of running courses in groups. The trio starts by discussing Berne’s Group Theory, which is a theoretical framework for understanding human relationships and communication patterns in groups. They delve into the benefits of group learning, including the creation of a supportive community and the opportunity to learn from others.
Robert, Stephen, and Jenevora also discuss the unique challenges of teaching voice in a group setting, including the need to tailor the course to the diverse needs and abilities of each student. They also touch on the importance of creating a safe and inclusive learning environment, where students feel comfortable sharing their thoughts and ideas.
Throughout the episode, the trio shares their experiences and insights into the world of voice pedagogy, offering practical tips and advice for anyone considering running a voice course in a group setting. Whether you’re a seasoned voice teacher or just starting out, this episode of The Thinking Voice Podcast is sure to provide valuable insights and inspiration.
In this episode, we dive into the world of vocal pedagogy and explore the latest advancements and our thoughts around timeless techniques. In this episode, our three experts in the field – Robert Sussuma, Dr. Jenevora Williams, and Stephen King engage in a lively discussion on the topic of ‘The Current Advances vs. Age Old Shiz.’ Are we trapped in trying to reinvent the wheel in vocal training, or are there still new and innovative things to be discovered? Join us as we explore this thought-provoking topic and gain insights from the fields of neuroscience, therapy, pedagogy and somatic learning
3 Years or 3 sessions? This topic sees our hosts explore what value we might give from short to long term work with a client. Stephen takes us through the Person Centred core conditions and a theory he has been thinking about in regards to voice issues. Jenevora argues in favour of the boundaries with an agreed time limit, Robert is in for the long haul with wanting to start a slow learning movement.
A very cold Stephen King (wearing 4 layers and a blanket) and Walt Fritz, PT sat down to talk about their upcoming Masterclass in London, and what it means to be an evidence based, shared decision maker in manual therapy on the coldest day of the year.
Walt’s two day class can be found here:
https://www.vocalhealth.co.uk/foundations-in-manual-therapy/
McParlin, Z., Cerritelli, F., Friston, K. J., & Esteves, J. E. (2022). Therapeutic Alliance as Active Inference: The Role of Therapeutic Touch and Synchrony. Frontiers in psychology, 13, 783694. https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.783694
This interview between Stephen and Lydia explores healthcare systems, supervision and seeing the person, not the bed number in our shared therapeutic practise.
Lydia Hart is a specialist Speech and Language Therapist, working in the field of Voice and Upper Airway. She works with people experiencing difficulties with their speaking or singing voice, or other throat symptoms. Lydia is known for being vibrant, caring and sensitive, taking time to hold a holistic space for clients to explore and improve their symptoms. Lydia is also a singer, and voice therapist – which ultimately means working with a person, not a diagnosis – is a true vocation for her.
Alongside her work at Voice Care Centre, Lydia works for the NHS including the Joint Voice Clinic at Wexham Park Hospital, with leading laryngologist Declan Costello. This involves assessment and management of a range of voice disorders, from muscle tension dysphonia to vocal cord paralysis, and her clinical expertise is constantly expanding.
Lydia is dedicated to developing her knowledge and experience in fields outside of Speech and Language Therapy, in order to provide truly holistic, biopsychosocial care. She is currently undertaking a Diploma in Hypnotherapy with Chrysalis Courses, and has trained in manual therapy with Stephen King and most recently Walt Fritz. She is experienced in breath work, including training in Buteyko Breathing Method, and is also undertaking training in Reiki.
Lydia incorporates holistic health and wellness into her own life, through natural movement including rock climbing and running, minimal footwear, meditation, breath work and cold water exposure.
We’re back!
Robert, Stephen and Jenevora got a little sidetracked in the opening episode to season 3… so much so that they forgot to do the thing that they were there to do! Still, a rather entertaining episode around relationships emerged from our three vocal philosophers addressing all sorts of facets to 1-2-1 sessions, group work and rehearsals/performance.
George Webster is a 21-year-old TV presenter, actor and dancer from Leeds. In September 2021 it was announced that he would become the first CBeebies presenter with Down’s Syndrome. Our very own Martha celebrates World Down's Syndrome day with George, discussing how he is helping to give a voice to people with Down's Syndrome.
In this interview, Stephen King interviews Dr Brian Broom, immunologist and psychotherapist about his work seeing patients not as parcels to be passed around, but whole people to be seen.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-41239-5_14
If everything is connected and we are each a biopsychosocial unity, does it always have to be about voice, to be about voice?
Graham D’Souza recounts his incredible work helping voiceless children in Indian slums find their authentic sound. This heart warming and at times gut wrenching interview clearly illustrates how voice work can change lives.
Chris Cullen, mindfulness teacher and psychotherapist, talks to Jenevora about the power of mindfulness for performers, for students in schools and MPs in parliament.
When does teaching become facilitating? How much are we imparting information and how much are we enabling the student to discover things for themselves? Why would facilitation be a more effective way to learn? All these questions, questions and more questions - will Stephen, Robert and Jenevora ever find an answer?
Stephen, Robert and Jenevora present a 'festive special' and reflect on the first season of 'The Thinking Voice' podcast.
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up a conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘hope’.
Heidi Moss and Jenevora chat about a career as both a scientist and a performer, how one can feed the other and how to turn adversity into advantage.
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up a conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘hope’.
In this episode, Robert opens a conversation with Dr Lynn Bursten about her dissertation 'Constructed realities and transformation of consciousness: A holonomic approach'.
Links to materials mentioned:
FLOW, by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Open Space Technology by Harrison Owen
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up this conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘awareness’.
What makes us aware, and what are we aware of? From bats to phenomenology, our hosts dive deep into the world of awareness.
“I did not respond adequately to your question concerning the role of phenomenology in my work. Phenomenology has, in fact, been the major theoretical framework and methodological tool in my research from the beginning. Thus, I described both theory and method most exhaustively in my thesis. This thesis (defended I 1998) was transformed into a book and published by Kluwer Academic Publishers – who later fused into Springer – in 2001. Springer has defined the book as a “classic text” and holds it available upon request in their “Classical Library”. The electronic version is also available in Amazon’s Kindle-Edition.
I mention this book because most of my colleagues have responded that they find the theoretical chapters in my book far too heavy to read. Still, exactly these chapters give insight into both how the in-depth interviews were performed, how my way of asking and responding contributed to the shaping of the text = the data, and how the analysis was done. This analysis, by means of rules and principles in phenomenology, did the most salient job in the whole process: It allowed me to identify the patterns of lived experience inscribed in the bodily structures. Precisely these patterns have by now, twenty years later, been confirmed by means of biomedical tests (stress-research etc.) and neuro-radiological documentation (brain research), clearly demonstrating the reliability and the validity of a phenomenological approach to embodied hardship and integrity violation.
In short: the extensive excerpts from the original interview-transcripts in my thesis may be illuminative as to “how to talk with people whose complex suffering is medically unexplained yet still real”, which may be a basic point of departure in your work, if I got it right. The book: Kirkengen AL. Inscribed Bodies. Springer 2001.
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Anna Luise”
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Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up the seventh conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘play’.
Theory, origins and etymology… what could we consider about play in pedagogy?
Dr Marisa Lee Naismith shares some of her early experiences as a touring rock singer, life on the road wasn’t easy and of course there’s a vocal health story in there.
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up the fourth conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘posture’.
From racist roots, to bio-tensegrity, what can we learn from exploring sixth for singing?
Also, find the October edition of the Vocal Health Education newsletter HERE with some super cool thoughts about posture!
Robert Sussuma interviews Robyn Chauvin about the psychology of self.
“I invite you into the room with me, all of you, including the aspects of yourself that you may have difficulties with. Therapy is a form of play where one experiments with ways of being. In doing this you begin to discover and ultimately let go of what is getting in the way of having a full rich and joyful life. You will discover a multitude of choices of how to approach life and relationships. You will find the opportunity to step into your freedom. This leads to more openness, presence, and creativity”
Gender Construct, Homophobia and Freedom by Robyn Chauvin
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up the fifth conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘Emotions’.
Emotions and emotional constructs are different in our Western culture than to that of world culture. So in this conversation, the three hosts explore the world of emotion for the voice - and perhaps uncover some useful lies.
The renowned Psychoanalyst Dawn Estefan chats with Stephen King about what it means to have a voice.
During the course of this interview, Dawn talks about family, origin, healing, female genital mutilation, CBT and Psychoanalysis.
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up the fourth conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘anatomy’.
The study of vocal anatomy has long been seen as a gold standard of knowledge within voice pedagogy circles. Our hosts delve deep into the interesting world of moving post anatomy.
If you want to refresh your knowledge on fundamental anatomy of the voice, then why not check out Vocal Health Education’s online anatomy course.
David Howard and Jenevora Williams talk about pitch perception, acoustics, Egyptian mummies, sailing and virtual reality.
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up the third conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘fear’. Here, our hosts unpick performance anxiety, the window of tolerance and many other theoretical and philosophical ideas relating to fear.
Do stick around to listen to the two footnotes provided by Jenevora and Stephen around the subject of Pandora’s box.
Robert Sussuma interviews Elinor Silverstein about the gut brain connection.
Elinor Silverstein, Feldenkrais Practitioner®, Movement Solutions® Teacher and Trainer, TTOUCH® Practitioner working with people and animals.
Elinor teaches her program, "The Gut-Brain Connection" online and worldwide. She specialises working with Vagus Nerve health issues helping people regain their strength and wellness.
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up the second conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘Useful Lies’.
Declan Costello ENT starts the interview format off as he joins Stephen King in his lunch break. The two discuss laryngology, challenges in supervision and career paths in music and medicine. Although only a short interview, a lot of verbal gold is packed in to the 30 minutes.
Join Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams as they embark on exploring the human voice through open conversation. In this pilot episode, Stephen and Jenevora explain how the podcast is set up and what to expect. With a new episode being released each week, the format will change between a conversation between Stephen, Jenevora and Robert Sussuma or an interview with a special guest.
Stephen and Jenevora chat about what led them to this podcast format, and interview each other around person centred philosophy, magic in the voice studio and life changing moments.
Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up the first conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘registers’. Stephen brings his distinction level (show off!) PGCert in Voice Pedagogy final paper on registers to the table, and all manner of anatomy, pedagogy and philosophy is discussed around this fascinating topic.