Deeper Magic: Recent Episodes
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Anna and Peter Kapsner sit in conversation about the failures (and merits) of the church, biblical interpretation, what it means to be a disciple, and the changing shapes of modern Christianity between generations
Peter, Anna, Lilli & Logan embrace the newest Christian energy drink and discuss the surprise harmony that has arisen from the World Cup as nations and cultures collide in the U.S.
Do you want to the become "The Lion" of the dating world? Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan discuss a new trend of "dating coaches" helping men learn how to approach women. What works? What doesn't? Why am I sweating a lot?
What kind of service would you build to create the perfect church service?
Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan build their own church and it's perfect with no issues or wine-spitting involved.
Are you an Evangelical? How do you know? When was the last time you were re-baptized?
All these incredibly uncomfortable questions and more from Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan.
Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan discuss the different forms of youth programs in the modern church. What works? What's weird? Why did Lilli stalk her husband and force him to marry her? All good questions.
It's a heavier episode today. What does it mean to die?
As Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID) programs begun to grow in countries like Canada, Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan discuss the implications of this emerging system.
Why do we give so much attention to celebrities who call themselves believers? Is celebrity faith any more real or false than our own?
Also featuring a new game for 2000's music lovers.
Peter, Anna, and Lilli get a free trial of Logan's new enterprise as a life coach, and the team discusses feelings of fraudulence. From faith leaders to everyday church goers, why do we all feel like imposters, even in success?
Would you rather be smart, and inherently evil, or dumb and inherently good?
Peter, Anna, Lilli & Logan discuss human nature and the historical views on how God's goodness interacts with who we are from birth.
Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan discuss what it means to be a person of faith. What criteria makes someone a Christian, and who defines it?
We didn't want a second political episode either.
Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan tackle the recent public fighting between the U.S. administration and Pope Leo. What role does the Pope have in the events of our world today, and how should Evangelicals look at this conflict?
The Deeper Magic crew returns for season 3. Peter, Anna, Lilli & Logan catchup on the events of the offseason including the local ICE enforcement in Minnesota and the war in Iran.
How do we navigate a violent world? Is pacifism viable to just idealistic?
Peter and Anna are back with their own show, Before The Dawn! The Deeper Magic returns March 23rd, but for more content and a deeper dive into the theological issues you hear, you can listen to Before The Dawn right alongside our regularly scheduled program.
Enjoy this teaser episode, and visit thedeepermagic.com for more info!
Peter, Anna, Lilli & Logan wrap season 3 with a reflection on the practices of Advent. With a busy holiday season ahead, how can we pause to make the most of our time with loved ones, and not get lost in our daily distractions?
Peter, Anna, Lilli & Logan talk a bit of sports and the modern era of news and journalism. How can believers stay connected without becoming exhausted and stressed in a never ending news cycle?
Peter, Anna, Lilli, & Logan discuss an agitated society and where a modern faith structure may have contributed towards it. Peter also gets hip with K-Pop Demon Hunters.
Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan discuss yoga, the spiritual realm involved, and Peter's best Vinyasa pose.
Peter, Anna, Lilli & Logan discuss the ever-intertwining world of faith and politics on this election day special. They may never be friends again.
Peter, Anna, Lilli & Logan talk Catholicism, the meaning and practices of communion, and the Peter's sacrilegious spree across Europe.
Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan discuss the idea that your life will be played before an audience in heaven. Where did the idea come from? Is it biblical, a scare tactic, or just a fun metaphor pastors use to fill a sermon?
Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan tackle the concept of deconstruction. Why does everyone seem to be deconstructing their faith these days? Is it necessary? What spurs the look inward?
Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan discuss the power of a good testimony. But does a dramatic 'coming to faith' story carry more weight than a lifelong dedication to Christ?
Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan discuss the ways AI has changed the creative and educational landscape. Are the amazing capabilities of AI having a negative impact on the human soul?
Anna, Lilli, and Logan teach Old Man Peter about performative males. More importantly, they discuss how culture of Europe may be closer kingdom life than America in 2025.
Peter, Anna, Lilli, & Logan recap their summer breaks and dive into the implications of modern feminism from the perspective of smashing Broadway production: John Proctor is the Villain.
Closing out the season, Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan delve into the growing divide between ideologies, and how the church and politics have intertwined.
Through the Power of AI, Peter finally becomes a great podcast host! Join Lilli, Logan, Anna, and AI Peter in a discussion on the value of mentors, how to find them, and what value they can provide.
Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan unpack the views of alcohol among the faith community, the pros, the cons, and the spiritual enlightenment of the Four Loko.
Logan and Anna carry the show as Lilli recovers from illness and Peter dials in from abroad. What role does tragedy play in our culture? Have we all become worse readers since social media's rise? All this and more on the Deeper Magic!
Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan share their perspectives of the working world, and how a time of rest can amplify the good in life.
Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan continue exploring the shift back towards spirituality. Is the pull back to Christianity? What does spiritual community provide? How many centuries has Peter actually been alive? Most of these questions are answered.
New studies show that Americans are searching for spiritual links to their daily lives. Join Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan as they diver deeper into why.
Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan each share the worst jobs they've ever had, and discuss how different work environments handle faith interactions.
Peter learns the importance of reading the entirety of an email, and discusses how cell phones have shifted the way our minds and relationships.
A new season of Deeper Magic has new voices! Peter and Anna welcome Lilli and Logan to the table and give a look into what's coming up next.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Peter, Anna, Lilli, and Logan discuss holding space for mystery in our daily lives. The good and bad that comes with the unknown.
Peter, Anna, Lilli and Logan tackle fashion, relationships, and the "Modest is Hottest" culture.
Anna brings up a recent provocative scenario with a question about communion that a nine-year-old asked a priest.
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Anna and Peter reflect on the significant decline of Biblical familiarity in Christian settings.
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Peter and Anna hold a wide-ranging conversation about Kingdom life, what the Deeper Magic is, and why philosopher David Hume was a disaster.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Anna and Peter talk about the DNA if Deeper Magic and some exciting changes on the horizon
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Peter reflects with Anna about how much he actually knows about following Jesus.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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"Peter and Anna welcome Annabella into Deeper Magic, a theater major who has lived all around the world and is now faced with big questions of adulting, community, and future decisions.
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Anna and Peter welcome Adam Holz to talk about parenting, Taylor Swift, and Inside Out 2 and what the church can learn from them.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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"Anna takes the host chair and Peter draws on his background in practical theology to passionately defend the idea that though the attack on Trump's life is horrid, our allegiance is not to democrats or republicans….but to Jesus alone.
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Peter makes a critical mistake in a recent sermon about the “angry God” and Anna leads a study on Cain and Abel. (Where did all those extra Bible people that Cain was scared of come from anyway?)
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Peter makes a critical mistake in a recent sermon about the “angry God” and Anna leads a study on Cain and Abel. (Where did all those extra Bible people that Cain was scared of come from anyway?)
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6782-auroras-of-saturn
License (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-license
Artist website: https://cemmusicproject.wixsite.com/musiclibraryfiles"
Anna graduated from university but now faces the great unknown of adulting and how to live a lifetime with no more benchmarks.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Peter gave a Good Friday message for the first time in his time in
ministry and tries to tell God's redemptive story from Genesis to the
Cross. Anna takes the host chair (for the first time) to ask him what
felt like a sacred experience.
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This conversation includes some occasional strong language. Listener discretion is advised.
Anna and Peter welcome Anna's university advisor, April Vinding, into Deeper Magic. Anna and April talk about faith & fiction as well as how to bear fruit in our work.
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Anna is back from an academic trip to India and she and Peter talk about an entirely different way of life and faith experienced that is quite different than the Western world.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Anna has a quick cameo as Peter welcomes pastor Luke Veum to reflect on what it was like to teach about sex in a large group church setting. CONTENT WARNING: May contain material inappropriate for those under 13.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Peter and Anna dig deeper into the beauty and pain of Ishmael and Hagar.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Peter and Anna welcome Rebecca Rhee into Deeper Magic to go through the beauty and pain of Ishmael and Hagar.
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Peter and Anna welcome Rebecca Rhee into Deeper Magic to go through the beauty and pain of Ishmael and Hagar.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Peter and Anna welcome Gary Stratton to Deeper Magic, where they talk about a range of topics including the difference between trusting in God and trusting your ideas about God.
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Peter blows Anna’s mind with his knowledge of transgender influencer Dylan Mulbaney.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Anna decides what part of Matthew's Gospel Peter should talk about an upcoming University-wide chapel....but only after he is first deeply disappointed by the results of a Gilmore Girls quiz.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Anna and Peter review a church-giving program advertised with a money-back guarantee.
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Anna and Peter return for Season Two of Deeper Magic. They discuss what Peter learned on sabbatical about St. Cuthbert's dead body, the power of story, and how hesed love can cure the pervasive anxiety of the age.
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Two theater kids join Peter and Anna to discuss playing the role of Jesus and writing a meaningful, but not obviously, Christian play.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Anna and Peter talk about her attending a Harry Styles concert in Scotland and what we can learn about mental health, belonging to God, and ditching a life of comparisons.
Content Warning: This episode contains discussions and mentions of suicide.
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Anna takes her first big whack at interpreting the Bible for one of her classes as Peter wants against the dangers of reading one’s own views into Scripture.
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Anna and Peter break up in the box on the massive mental health conversation while identifying the categories of questions that need to be asked.
Content Warning: This episode contains discussions and mentions of suicide at 6:30
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Anna and Peter are joined once again by rabbis Noah and Holly Ulman. They discuss why spiritual leaders often fail, and the importance of asking questions with humility.
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Anna and Peter welcomed Dr. Sue Stratton into Deeper Magic to discuss how God’s original blessing from Genesis One was never revoked.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Anna and Peter welcome Lilli Ellis to Deeper Magic. Lilli currently works in the HQ of a major denomination. The three unwittingly realize that the healing of our society might begin with the healing of female and male relationships.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Anna and Peter release a special Good Friday episode reflecting on Jesus’ humble, loving willingness to die so He could defeat the forces of sin and Hell and bring healing to His beloved children.
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Anna and Peter welcome Alicia as a new producer for Deeper Magic. The three discuss Taylor Swift, “bad girls”, and why there is a huge church void for 18-25-year-olds after they are done with Youth Group.
Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles.
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Anna and Peter talk about John Wick 4, therapy, same-gender friendships, and the increasing rejection of Augustinian theology of original sin and depravity in this third installment of the Garden of Eden series.
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Anna and Peter talk about her continued car issues, the good and bad of church testimonies, and what I John actually means when it says to not be a “child of the Devil.”
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Anna and Peter welcome Noah and Holly Ulman for part two of the Garden of Eden series. Turns out Genesis 1 is not about a bunch of animals and a scientific origin story of our world...
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Anna reflects on her first flat tire before she and Peter share a wee nip of Ben Nevis scotch and discuss their surprising lack of cynicism about the Asbury Blessing.
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Anna and Peter talk clubbing, lying to your friends, sabbatical and
maybe the Garden of Eden was never meant to teach us about science.
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Rabbi Alan joins Anna and Peter to talk about the beginning of Scripture and reading it within God's voice.
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Anna and Peter discuss Peter’s ADHD in light of “Be Still and Know I am God.”….and how this verse invites us to start with our hearts and not our heads in our relationship with God.
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Anna and Peter introduce an upcoming series of spin-off episodes that will look at Hebrew and Greek words that might be helpful for new pictures of God and faith and the spiritual journey.
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Anna and Peter reflect on the book, Unapologetic….how the Christian faith is meant to be relationally based and filled with a community of messed up peoples…all with some, ummmm, colorful language.
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Peter fails a https://www.summit.org/individual-worldview-checkup/ (biblical worldview quiz) and Anna and Peter interview Dr. Josh Packard about rebuilding low trust in the next generation. Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles. Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6782-auroras-of-saturn License (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Artist website: https://cemmusicproject.wixsite.com/musiclibraryfiles
Anna and Peter talk with buddy Justin Jeppesen about margaritas, discipleship, and the accessibility of God. Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles. Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6782-auroras-of-saturn License (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Artist website: https://cemmusicproject.wixsite.com/musiclibraryfiles
Anna and Peter talk with Tim Yearsley from the London Institute of Contemporary Christianity about the shape of discipleship in the UK given significant changes in the institutional church there. What might the church in the USA learn? Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles. Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6782-auroras-of-saturn License (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Artist website: https://cemmusicproject.wixsite.com/musiclibraryfiles
Anna and Peter talk about Harry Potter, Biblical magic, and the Deeper Magic from Before the Dawn of Time that is accessible in this world.
Anna and Peter discuss hypocrisy, the recent pattern of moral failure among visible ministry leaders, and the theological issue that, if resolved, could help end hypocrisy and lead to restoration. Content Warning: This episode contains discussions about sexual abuse from 24:00-30:00. Music Credits: Auroras of Saturn by MusicLFiles. Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6782-auroras-of-saturn License (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Artist website: https://cemmusicproject.wixsite.com/musiclibraryfiles
Why does the daughter of a “prominent” Christian figure (Dr. Peter Kapsner) refuse to attend church?