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Founder and host, Lin Huynh chops it up one-on-one with your favorite current, former, and future professional athletes and globally recognized entertainers to share their unique and inspiring journey in becoming the icon they are today!

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Being the face of George Mason University’s basketball program and the first college athlete in America to sign a Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) deal, Josh Oduro also talks about developing into one of the best dynamic post player in the country and his dream of one day playing in the NBA!

00:00 Interview Introduction

00:33 Intro to Playing Basketball

01:24 Growing up as a Washington Wizards / John Wall Fan in the DC Area

02:07 Transferring from Public High School Basketball to the Prestige St. Paul IV Catholic High School

02:56 Experience and the Transition Playing at St. Paul IV Catholic High School

03:56 Committing to George Mason University

04:37 George Mason's Final 4 Team

05:24 Decision to Stay Local for College After Growing up in the Area

08:17 Mindset Coming in as a Freshmen in College

09:14 Workout and Diet Routine

11:21 Impact Due to the Pandemic

12:35 Mindset Going into the Junior Year / Viewed as the Veteran Team Member

13:34 Feedback to Oneself when Reflecting Back on the First Day Arriving to GMU

14:04 Aspirations After GMU

15:13 Areas for Improvement to Prepare Towards a Potential NBA Career

16:14 Describing what an NIL Deal is and Josh's Partnership with a Local Business

18:36 Backup Plan if Not Playing Basketball

19:48 Advice to Young Athletes Aspiring to Obtain a College Scholarship

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Transitioning from a star high school Quarterback to a college All-American Wide Receiver at James Madison University (JMU), Rashard Davis talks about the importance of staying ready for the NFL while waiting tables at a restaurant, to playing with Patrick Maholmes and winning a Super Bowl Championship with the Philadelphia Eagles against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots!

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Logan shares his inspiring journey from not being drafted to fulfilling a 10 season NFL career playing with the Washington Redskins, Chicago Bears, San Francisco, Atlanta Falcons, and the Houston Texans. Logan shares his story of being the underdog and always playing with a chip on his shoulder including the 2012 season with RGIII. From living with multiple of roommates while bouncing around the league to the sacrifice of being away from the family, Logan provides advice to athletes looking to make a lasting career in the NFL!

00:00 Logan Paulsen Interview Intro

00:33 Becoming a Football Player

02:20 Influence to Attend UCLA

04:48 Narrowing Down Between the Washington Redskins and San Diego Chargers When Signing the Free Agent Rookie Contract

08:03 Key to Having a 10 Year NFL Career (Average Career is approximately 2.5 - 3 years)

11:07 Experience (Pros and Cons) of Playing for 5 Different Teams in 10 Seasons

13:20 Most Memorable Experience While Playing in the NFL Including Playing with RGIII and Living in an 8x10 ft. Room in San Francisco with 15 Individuals

16:06 How Not Feeling Belonged in the NFL was a Blessing and a Curse

19:13 What Logan Learned Throughout the 10 Year NFL Career

21:14 Logan's Perspective on the What the New Name Should be for the Washington Redskins

22:44 Favorite Time in History and Aspiration of Becoming a Politicians Being a Double Major in History and Political Science

26:01 Favorite NFL Team/Player Growing Up

27:30 Grading the Washington Football Team's 2021 NFL Draft

29:45 Dark Horse from the 2021 NFL Draft

31:31 Advice to Rookies and Young Athletes Wanting to Make Football a Career

34:56 Former Teammates and Players in the NFL that Stood Out

37:48 Current Endeavors and Future Plans

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Akil share his inspiring journey from not making it onto a school basketball team until the 10th grade, not hearing back from any division 1 colleges that he proactively reached out to, to being an integral part of rebuilding UVA’s basketball program to where it’s at today, and propelling a professional career including playing in the NBA!

00:00 Interview Introduction

00:33 Intro to Playing Basketball

01:58 Memories Growing Up with Stephen Curry and Seth Curry in Charlotte, NC

04:33 Lightly Recruited Out of High School

07:02 UVA Not Being an Initial Interest and Getting a Scholarship Pulled from George Washington University

08:35 Transformation as a Team from Freshmen Year to Senior Year

11:03 Memories Playing for Coach Bennett at UVA

13:52 Transforming Individually from Freshmen Year to Senior Year

15:35 Why Players Enter the Transfer Portal

18:40 Transitioning from College Basketball to the Pros Including Memories of James Harden and Dwight Howard

21:00 NBA Being a Different Beast

23:15 Different Between Playing in the NBA and Overseas

26:14 Overcoming the Language Barrier When Playing Overseas

27:40 Current Experience Playing in Germany

29:00 Toughest Player to Defend

30:55 Growing Up Watching David Wesley, Allen Iverson, Penny Hardaway, and Tracy McGrady

33:00 Favorite Visited Country/City

35:09 Playing for the Panamanian National Team

38:36 Advice to High School and College Athletes Aspiring to Play at the Next Level

40:59 Future Goals and Life After Basketball

45:15 Closing Remarks from Akil

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Cassius shares his journey as an elite college basketball player to becoming one of the best fighters in the world with an undefeated record of 20 wins and 0 losses with 14 being knockouts! Cassius also shares his perspective on Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Tyson Fury, and Deontay Wilder Including Who Would Win Between the "PRIME" Mayweather and Pacquiao! As well as advice to young fighters wanting to becoming a professional boxer!

00:56 Becoming a Boxer

1:52 Choosing Boxing Over Basketball

5:52 Transition from a Basketball Player to a Boxer

7:02 Reflecting on the First Boxing Match

10:07 How to Maintain an Undefeated Record

12:30 Routine Before a Fight

15:53 Speaks on Knocking Joel Caudle Out of the Ring During their Bout

17:51 Best Advice Received

19:38 Current State of Boxing

23:34 Perspective on Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Tyson Fury, and Deontay Wilder Including Who Would Win Between the "PRIME" Mayweather and Pacquiao!

27:51 Greatest Boxer Ever?

29:48 Danger of Boxing

31:51 Comparing his Basketball Skills to Paul Pierce

33:00 76ers Fan and Story Meeting Allen Iverson!

34:25 Projection of the 2021 NBA Finals

35:34 Advice to Aspire Young and Upcoming Boxers

36:46 Future Plans

37:41 Final Remarks

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Craig discusses his six seasons in the NBA including named All-Rookie Team, being team mates with Hall of Famer, Kevin Garnett, memories of the great, Kobe Bryant, holding the record of top 5 scorer in the BIG3 tournament, prediction on who will win the 2021 NBA Championship, and much more!

0:00 Interview Introduction

0:32 Introduction to Basketball

1:47 Receiving the Nickname "Rhino" from NBA's Legend, Kevin McHale

3:57 Experience Playing at Boston College

7:10 Importance of Longevity & Discussing the Greatness of Tom Brady, LeBron James, and Russell Westbrook

11:01 What it Took to be Recognized as part of the All-NBA Rookie Team

15:45 Experience & Memories Playing with Hall of Famer, Kevin Garnett aka The Big Ticket

15:57 How Being a Basketball Player has Influenced Workout Plans and Areas Learned Through the Years

20:00 Most Missed Aspect of Playing in the NBA

22:13 Top 5 Scorer in the History of the the Big3 Founded by Ice Cube

23:53 Frequently Hearing Jokes for the "Friday" Trilogy" with the Name Craig

24:51 Favorite Team and Players Growing Up

26:25 Comparison to Charles Barkley as Player

28:00 Memories of the Legend, Kobe Bryant

29:26 Evolution of Basketball and the NBA

30:32 Being Strong Mentally Goes a Long Way

31:10 2021 NBA Champion Prediction

35:05 Memories of the late Redskins' Great, Sean Taylor!

37:08 Advice to Young Athletes and Upcoming Rookies in the NBA

44:30 Final Remarks

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Rob shares his inspiring journey of meeting the producer that would produce their Top 40 classic single, "Tell Me" while playing pick-up basketball, meeting Smilez, and life in the mainstream music industry! 

0:14​ Intro Interview with Rob "Southstar" Campman!

1:24​ Life Before Smilez & Southstar

4:21 Hip-Hip Scene in Orlando in the Late 90s and Early 2000s to Present

7:03​ Creation of Smilez and Southstar and Initially Could Have Been a Third Member

12:51 Making the Hit Single, "Tell Me"​

17:50 Experience of Being Asian in Hip-Hop

22:04​ How the Name Smilez & Southstar Derived

24:16 Meeting and Working With Jimmyboi and Live2Hustle (L2H)

28:22 Life After Smilez & Southstar

36:15 Most Memorable Place to Perform While Touring

39:30 Artist to Collaborate With if Going Back in the Early 2000s

42:43 Favorite Basketball Player/Idol

45:53 Final Remarks

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Former Virginia Military Institute (VMI) basketball star and current EuroLeague Superstar, QJ Peterson talks about being told he was not good enough to play Division 1 basketball by multiple colleges to getting drafted in the National Basketball Association (NBA) G League. While continuing to have a dominant career in Europe, QJ shares his inspiring story on the lessons learned and advice he has received from current and former NBA players to reach his ultimate goal of playing in the NBA.  

0:00 Interview Introduction 

1:13 Becoming a Basketball Player

6:01 Idolizing Derrick Rose

13:47 Developing a 43 inch Vertical

17:02 Attending a Military High School Playing Alongside NBA Star, Frank Mason and 7 Other Division 1 Teammates

22:07 Not Good Enough to Play Division 1 Basketball

26:38 Getting Drafted in the NBA G League After Playing Pickup Games with the Orlando Magic

37:55 Near and Long Term Goals (NBA)

41:34 Advice from Current and Former NBA Players

43:24 Hardest Player to Defend and Toughest Defender

46:37 Favorite Country in Europe and Asia

48:33 Advice to High School Athletes Trying to Play Division 1 Basketball and College Athletes Wanting to Play Professional

52:16 Final Remarks

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Jamaine's route to the NFL wasn't easy nor expected; however, his passion of getting better and enjoying each and every moment led him to playing with the NY Giants and the Baltimore Ravens. Jamaine also shares stories of playing with NFL legends, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Deion Sanders, Johnathan Ogden, and Steve McNair, and provides advice to how current NFL players can plan for life after football.

00:00 Interview Introduction 

00:27 Becoming a Football Player

11:36 Recruiting Process and Culture Playing in the ACC at UVA

16:04 The Humbling Experience While at UVA

19:52 Breakout Moment for the NFL

21:40 Working Out with NFL Teams Including the Patriots

24:01 Advantage of Being a Free Agent than Get Selected in the NFL Draft and the Level of Competition in the NFL

26:26 The Incident that Almost Changed Everything

29:09 Being Released from the NY Giants and Joining the Dominant Baltimore Ravens Defense

32:15 Workout that Took Jamaine's Performance to Another Level

33:29 NFL is a Numbers Game

37:51 Learn to Enjoy the Process of Getting Better

40:53 Ryan Clark Being One of the Best Role Model

44:48 Know Your Why/Have a Purpose

47:19 Experience and Takeaway Playing with NFL Legends, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Deion Sanders, Johnathan Ogden, and Steve McNair

51:03 Most Exciting Memories Playing in the NFL

53:38 Favorite Team or Player Growing Up

56:00 Advice to Current NFL Players to Help Prep for Life After Football

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Stacy shares his inspiring journey playing Quarterback in college to transitioning to Fullback when arriving to the NFL, his program helping young athletes, Impact Sports Academy, and growing up in the same small Virginia town as global icon, Chris Brown!

00:00 Interview Introduction  

00:16 Becoming a Football Player

3:06 Recruiting Process to Play at the University of Richmond

5:25 How Attending Fort Union Military Academy Helped Prepare Stacy Academically and Athletically for the Collegiate Level

7:19 Experience Playing at the University of Richmond

9:25 Preparing and Entering in the NFL

12:26 Transition from a College Quarterback to an NFL Fullback

14:39 Missed Most Playing in the NFL

16:16 Favorite Team or Player in the NFL Growing Up

18:07 Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan?

20:27 Advice to Young Athletes

23:29 Stacy Speaks on his Business that Works with Youth, Impact Sports Academy

24:01 Advantage of Being a Free Agent than Get Selected in the NFL Draft and the Level of Competition in the NFL

27:29 Growing up in the Same Hometown as Global Icon, Chris Brown

30:23 Experience Living and Playing Professionally in the "City that Never Sleeps", New York City

31:48 Closing Remarks

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Being one of the few Asians in/associated in the NBA, Henry shares his inspiring journey from playing division III basketball to becoming a Player Development Trainer for current NBA players such as Khem Birch, Grant Riller, James Ennis III, and Casper Ware!

0:27 Interview Intro

0:56 Introduction to Basketball

2:07 Journey as a High School and Collegiate Player

4:27 Impact of Being an Asian Basketball Player

7:11 Academics Over Athletics

10:11 Becoming an NBA Trainer After Being Approached by Current NBA Star for the Toronto Raptors, Khem Birch

14:30 Example of a Workout Plan for NBA Players

15:57 How Being a Basketball Player has Influenced Workout Plans and Areas Learned Through the Years

21:08 Inspirations and Idols

23:33 2021 NBA Championship Prediction

26:21 Near-Term and Long-Term Goals

30:54 Advice to Individuals Aspiring to Become an NBA Trainer

32:15 Final Remarks

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Vicky shares her inspiring story from being an All-American at the University of Maryland, winning a gold medal representing the United States at the Olympics, and being inducted into the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame!

0:49 How the Basketball Journey Began

1:49 Transition from High School Basketball to the University of Maryland (UMD)

3:17 Not Being Recruited Out of High School

4:49 Choosing UMD over Tennessee Volunteers Despite Getting a Visit From Former Tennessee's Legendary Coach, Pat Summitt

6:39 What it Takes to Be an All-American Player

9:45 Motivation Playing in College Despite There Not Being a WNBA at the Time

12:07 Making History as Being on of the Players to Play in the WNBA Inaugural Season in 1997

14:00 Most Memorable Experience Playing in the WNBA

15:47 Difference Between Playing in the WNBA and Overseas (Living and Learning the Italian Culture)

18:26 Evolution of Woman's Basketball and Steps Needed to Continue to Propel the Growing Sport

21:36 Recommendations to Athletes Desiring to Play in College and the WNBA

25:38 Toughest Player to Defend

26:56 Representing the U.S. at the Olympics and Winning Gold

30:31 What it Means to be a Woman's Basketball Hall of Famer

32:10 Near-term and Future Goals

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Alex shares his inspiring journey of having to move to an area that was more hockey focused growing up, named team Captain and leading the nation in scoring while at Penn State, and his current experience playing professionally with the San Diego Gulls in the American Hockey League (AHL) (affiliate of the Anaheim Ducks of the National Hockey League (NHL))! 

0:34 Becoming a Hockey Player

2:00 Favorite NHL Team Growing Up

2:39 Selecting Penn State

3:49 Legendary Career at Penn State

6:07 Overcoming Obstacles During the Pandemic

7:40 Time Spent During a Break Due to the Pandemic

8:32 Playing in the First Professional Season

10:58 Near-term and Long-term Goals

11:50 Areas of Focus

13:05 Comparison to Current Players in the NHL

14:17 Strengths in Alex's Game

15:30 2021 Stanley Cup Prediction

17:13 Advice Received from Current and Former NHL Players

18:27 Advice to Young Athletes and Those Aspiring to Become a Professional Player

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Bala shares how he started his music career by reaching out to musicians, producers, and individuals in the industry via social media to help get publicity, receiving over 4 million streams, and moving from Virginia to Los Angeles after landing his first record label. 

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Darrel shares his inspiring journey transitioning from playing Linebacker in college to Fullback in the NFL, perspective on the Washington Redskin's name change, and playing with RG3!

00:00 Interview Intro

00:49​ Becoming a Football Player

02:02 Converting from a Running Back to a Linebacker While Playing College Football at Villanova

04:08 Advice to Athletes Being Asked to Convert Positions (It's We Not Me)

06:20 Would Darrel Have Went to a Different School if he Knew he Would Convert From a Running Back to a Linebacker?

08:35 Converting from a Linebacker to a Fullback with the Washington Redskins

11:17 Perspective on how the Role of a Fullback has Declined Through the Years

13:04 Shares Memories of the 2012 Season with RGIII

15:49 Perspective on how People View RGIII

17:59 Thoughts of the Redskins' Name Change

19:21 Most Memorable Experience Playing in the NFL

20:57 Advice to the Youth Trying to get a College Scholarship and College Players Attempting to Make it to the NFL

23:29 Favorite NFL Team Growing Up & Role Model

25:17 Thoughts on the "Amityville Horror" Movie After Being Born and Raised in Amityville, NY

26:33 Role Models/Mentors While Playing in the League

28:29 Thoughts on Tom Brady's Legacy and Predicting TB & KC as the Super Bowl LV Teams at the Beginning of the Season

31:49 Closing Remarks

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Ed shares his experience playing in the NCAA March Madness Tournament with current NBA star, Carlik Jones, being a candidate for the Lou Henson Award (identifies the top mid-major college basketball player in the nation), working out with NBA teams prior to the NBA Draft, and playing overseas in Italy. 

0:00 Interview Intro

0:52 Path to Becoming a Basketball Player

2:50 Factor in Selecting Radford University to Play Division 1 College Basketball

3:53 Experience Playing in the NCAA March Madness Tournament

7:07 Experience Representing the Big South Conference in the 3x3U Tournament

9:17 Draft Workouts with the Washington Wizards and Boston Celtics

12:42 Favorite NBA Team

13:53 Experience Playing Professionally in Italy

19:05 Transition from College to Professional Basketball

21:02 Toughest Player to Defend

22:38 Most Memorable Experiences as a Basketball Player and Things to Change

27:34 Advice to High School Players Wanting to Reach College and Professional Basketball

33:18 Short Term and Long Term Goals

35:13 Words of Advice Received from Javonte Green (Current Player on the Boston Celtics and the First Radford Basketball Player in the NBA)

38:07 Closing Remarks

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Mo reflects his time playing for Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame Coach, Tom Izzo at Michigan State, being drafted in the 1st round of the 2006 NBA Draft, nominated for a Grammy Award as a music producer, and sharing his current experience living in Vietnam!

00:00 Interview Intro

00:34 Influenced by the Detroit Pistons' Bad Boys Era

02:24 Initially Committing to Missouri

03:52 Experience Playing at Michigan State for Legendary Coach, Tom Izzo!

06:29 Being Drafted in the 1st Round by the Dallas Mavericks

08:50 Advice to High School Players Deciding to Play at a Major College or Mid-Major

11:09 Playing with Future Hall of Famer Dirk Nowitzki and Being Around Owner, Mark Cuban!

12:12 Creating the Moe Ager Hoops School to Which Serves to Develop Young, Up-and-coming Basketball Players Around the World

13:46 Living in Vietnam

18:26 Favorite Vietnamese Dish

19:34 Being a Grammy Nominated Music Producer for Artists Such As Royce Da 5'9, E-40, Layzie Bone of Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, B-Real of Cypress Hill Among Others!

24:06 Advice to NBA Rookies

26:29 Closing Remarks 

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Dewey shares his inspiring journey of becoming a professional basketball agent and provides advice on what it takes to make it in the fast-pace, exciting, challenging, and rollercoaster industry. 

0:00 Interview Introduction

8:25 Responsibilities of a Sports Agent

15:05 Developing and Sustaining Trust with Players & Families

21:14 Benefits of Having a Sports Agent

27:11 Day in the Life of a Sports Agent

33:39 Requirements for Being a Basketball Agent Along with Other Sports

39:42 Near and Long Term Goals

45:50 Closing Remarks and Advice to New and Aspiring Agents

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Ken shares his inspiring journey of getting drafted in the 1st Round of the 1988 NFL Draft after dropping out of high school, growing up as a Dallas Cowboy's fan, and working alongside with former Washington Redskins, megastar actor, and good friend, Terry Crews, to author and produce several children's books. 

00:00 Interview Intro

00:39 Becoming a Football Player

01:45 Dropping Out of High School

07:08 Important of Staying Humble and Treating People with Respect

10:12 Experience as a Student Athlete at the University of California, Berkeley

12:17 Growing Up as a Dallas Cowboy's Fan

13:36 Transitioning from a High School Drop Out to Attending University of California, Berkeley

16:24 Being Drafted by the Arizona Cardinals as the 1st Round Pick

22:04 Becoming a Washington Redskins

27:02 Memories Playing Against the Dallas Cowboys

28:36 Aspirations Playing for the Dallas Cowboys

30:15 Why Many Washington Redskins' Alumni Stay in the Washington, D.C. Metro Area After Retiring from the NFL

31:16 Writing and Producing Children's Book with Former Washington Redskins, Megastar Actor, and good friend, Terry Crews

35:01 Ken's Role with the Touching Heart Foundation

38:31 Being a Father and How it has Changed his Life

41:21 Anything is Possible if you Put in the Work

43:00 Favorite Movies/Scenes of Terry Crews

46:22 Perspective on the Renaming of the Washington Redskins

49:14 Advice to Working Out and Taking Care of Oneself

53:21 Advice to Young Athletes Trying to get a College Scholarship and Rookies Getting Ready to Enter the NFL for the Upcoming Season

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Erick shares his inspiring journey being selected in the 2013 NBA Draft as a reigning All-American, Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) Player of the Year, and National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Leading Scorer his senior year at VT. Erick also shares his most memorable memories in the NBA, difference between the NBA and playing overseas, and advice to young athletes aspiring to play at the next level!

0:00 Interview Intro

1:20 Intro to Basketball

2:26 Becoming an All-American, ACC Player of the Year, and Nation Leading Scorer (25 points per game)

5:41 Getting Selected in the 2013 NBA Draft

9:00 Most Memorable Experience in the NBA

11:16 Toughest Player to Defend

12:35 Difference Between the NBA and Playing Overseas

17:20 Progress of the EuroLeague Over the Years

18:22 Favorite Country to Live Overseas

19:40 Being the Kobe & LeBron Overseas

20:38 Advice to High School Athletes Seeking a College Scholarship and College Athletes Aspiring to Play Professionally ---- "Stay Ready so you can Be Ready!"

25:13 MJ or LeBron?

27:05 Favorite Artist/Warm Up Music

27:50 Plans After Basketball

28:46 Experience Playing in the Chinese Basketball Association (CBA) and Living in China

30:53 Closing Remarks

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Darnerien shares his inspiring journey getting drafted into the NFL as a walk-on from a Historically Black College & University (HBCU), provides insight on what it takes to make it and sustain a career in the NFL, and memories playing with former teammate and Washington Redskin's legend, Sean Taylor!

0:00 Interview Intro

0:30 Becoming a Football Player

6:49 Being a College Walk-on at Delaware State University

15:03 Getting Selected in the 2001 NFL Draft

17:28 Most Memorable Moment in the NFL

19:45 Understanding the Business Side is a Key to an NFL Career

24:13 Playing Against the Toughest Defenders

26:00 Difference Between How the NFL is Played Today in Compared to the 2000's

29:21 Memories Playing with Redskin's Legend, Sean Taylor

33:28 Advice to High School Athletes Seeking a College Scholarship, College Athlete trying to make it to the NFL, and Words of Advice to Rookies in the NFL

44:00 Perspective on Top High School Recruits Expressing Interest to Attend HBCUs

47:29 Benefits of Living in the D.C. Metropolitan Area 

50:32 Plans in 2021

54:55 Closing Remarks 

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KeShawn shares his journey of only playing 5 years of organized basketball prior to receiving a division 1 scholarship, pros and cons being a college student athlete, discusses the current season, and provides advice to young athletes aspiring to obtain a scholarship.

00:00 Interview Intro

1:02 Intro to Basketball

2:07 Playing at a Military High School (Fork Union Academy in VA) and How It Prepared for the College Level 

2:58 Decision to Commit to VCU

4:28 Program Considered Aside from VCU

5:22 Not Knowing About VCU Until the Recruitment Process

7:45 Reason for Wearing #11 and Favorite NBA Player 

9:16 Growing as Person and as a Player from Freshmen to Senior Year While at VCU

10:29 Pros and Cons of Being a Division 1 Athlete

11:53 How to Balance the Life of Being a Student Athlete

13:37 Discussing VCU's Current Season

14:44 Advice to Underclassmen Starting their College Career

15:33 Most Memorable Experience Playing at VCU

17:07 What KeShawn Would Share with the Freshmen KeShawn if he Could go Back in Time

19:48 Ritual Before Playing a Game 

21:06 Advice to a High School Athletes Seeking to Obtain a College Scholarship/Play at VCU

23:26 Plans After VCU

24:04 Closing Remarks