Beyond the Rabbit Hole: Recent Episodes

Ken and Doc

Welcome to BTRH! There may be a gap in the podcasting world. There simply is not enough middle-aged guys doing a podcast these days. While much of Ken and Doc's discussions pertain to music, film and TV, and "goofing around", it is all about a friendship of over 35 years. Join us as we journey Beyond the Rabbit Hole. New episodes are available on Mondays.

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🎙️ Special Episode: “Ken and Doc’s 2025 Post-Halloween Doohickey”
Stranded in the no-man’s-land between Thanksgiving leftovers and premature Christmas jingles, Ken and Doc return with a chaotic holiday special that defies categorization—and possibly logic.
Ken opens the show mid-swat, locked in a losing battle against a swarm of angry mosquitoes that somehow survived the dry Arizona summer. His monologue involving citronella-scented candles is a "sound" to behold.

Meanwhile, Doc recounts his Halloween night odyssey: a traffic jam so cursed it could only be described as the “Highway of Horrors.” Between closed freeways, crazed drivers, and the stink of food simmering in the car, Doc’s tale spins into a fever dream of festive chaos. Together, they spiral down the rabbit hole of post-Halloween weirdness. 🎧 Tune in for unhinged storytelling.

Season three arriving soon!

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In this electrifying season finale of the Beyond the Rabbit Hole podcast, Ken dives deep into the life and legacy of President James A. Garfield, the 20th U.S. president whose brief tenure was cut tragically short by an assassin’s bullet—and a medical disaster that followed. But this isn’t your average history lesson.

Ken kicks things off with a passionate review of the docudrama series “Death by Lightning”, which dramatizes Garfield’s meteoric rise from log cabin scholar to Civil War general to reluctant president. He breaks down the series’ strengths—its gritty realism, sharp performances, and haunting portrayal of the political chaos of 1881.

Just as Ken begins unpacking the medical malpractice that arguably doomed Garfield more than the bullet itself, Doc bursts in with absurdist flair. The episode balances historical depth with playful absurdity, as Doc’s tangents lead to unexpected insights—like who (or what) was behind Garfield’s shooting.

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In this wild and whisker-filled installment of Beyond the Rabbit Hole, chaos reigns from the very first boom echoing through Ken’s home studio, The Place to Be. Fueled by sleep deprivation from early-morning F1 races, Ken recounts the shocking moment when his beloved terrier, Bane, channels his inner supervillain—yes, that Bane—and delivers a surprise nose bite that leaves more than just emotional scars.

Meanwhile, Doc faces his own animal uprising out at The Ponderosa, where a feral feline throws down with the pups in a showdown worthy of a spaghetti western. Between nose-nipping dogs and claw-swinging cats, this episode is a masterclass in turning pet pandemonium into podcast gold. 🐾 Explosions, exhaustion, and animal antics—what more could you want?

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In this delightfully dusty episode, Ken and Doc dive headfirst into the linguistic desert of Arizona, where even the cacti spark debate. Ken insists on “Sahuaro” like a true old-school Sonoran, while Doc defends “Saguaro” with botanical conviction—sparking an unwitting pronunciation standoff that’s as thorny as the cactus itself.

But the real chaos begins when a monstrous dust storm rolls in, toppling trees like matchsticks and coating everything in a fine layer of desert drama. The duo wrestles with the absurdity of calling these storms “Haboobs”—a term that sounds more like a rejected band name than a meteorological event. Cue the jokes, the disbelief, and a few awkward attempts to say it with a straight face.

Then things take a darker turn as Doc unearths the chilling tale of the Oatman Massacre—a brutal 1800's ambush that left seven members of the Oatman family dead and led to the capture of young Olive and Mary Ann Oatman. The story unfolds by tracing Olive’s survival, her years among the Mohave, and the haunting legacy she carried back into settler society.

Expect dry wit, historical grit, and a whole lot of desert weirdness. This episode is a whirlwind—literally and figuratively.

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Welcome to an "Unearthed Treasure" episode of the Beyond Rabbit podcast! This unreleased show celebrates one of the greatest films ever made... JAWS. It's the 50th anniversary of the great white "porker" fish. So naturally, what better way to commemorate it than by discussing its... 47th anniversary?! Ken and Doc dive into watching the film in 2022, both in IMAX and 3D. Our hosts struggle to stay afloat through the murky waters of the rabbit hole (and spilled drinks). Thanks for tuning in.

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It's here!  Another Feed Me-centric episode of the Beyond the Rabbit Hole podcast. Ken and Doc provide insights for the now defunct 2024.  As per their usual musings, they delve into some obscure and thrillng events of the past year including the anniversary of Van Halen's Diver down album, books about Ted Templeman and the Carpenters, someone named Lizzo (or is it the lizard guy from the TV commercials), the most recent eclipse, and much more!  Welcome back to (and Beyond) the Rabbit Hole!

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As our host Ken says "The BTRH podcast is like our phone conversations, unhinged, unrehearsed, and always ending up in many directions"!  Join us for a previously unheard update regarding Ken's foray into his Metallica experience.  Covid, The Fly, hearing loss, and of course, Metallica are all covered in this episode of the Beyond the Rabbit Hole Podcast.

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As teased from Season 1, it's the Beyond the Rabbit Hole Kidney Stone Special! Ken and Doc explore the world of these inner calcifications (which are both fascinating and frightening). Our hosts talk about their experiences (and supposed knowledge) of these pesky things. Join us as we follow kidney stones in, through, and beyond the rabbit hole. And....always follow up with medical professionals for any health-related concerns.

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Ken (The Concert King, Rock and Roll Ken, New World Man) returns from the Metallica concert and gives us the details of his heavy metal jaunt! Merchandise lines, VIP tickets, and Pantera, oh my! Also, Ken and Doc reminisce of past concerts. Take a trip with us Beyond the Rabbit Hole.

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As a bonus, you are invited to listen to a previously unheard episode of the Beyond the Rabbit Hole podcast. These "Unearthed Treasures" will be heard throughout the season as well as new episodes. This particular episode contains the segment Feed Me. Ken and Doc discuss various topics from the interwebs including excel spreadsheets in space, Amelia Earhart on another planet, billionaire blues, and actors trying to act in court.

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After a healthy break from going beyond the rabbit hole, Ken and Doc are back to reflect on past topics and new beginnings. Topics such as Elon Musk, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, body parts failing on stage, and the film Nightmare Alley, are all gift wrapped with patented incessant rambling and insights.

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The 2021 holiday season is just around the corner. So, what is the theme of this podcast? Well, how about the recently "deceased" Halloween! This holiday barely gets time to breathe before Thanksgiving takes over, leading the way for the rest of the major holidays. Ken and Doc provide their typical Beyond the Rabbit Hole style of "rambling" while discussing the new Halloween Kills film and their recent Halloween traditions. Season Two arriving soon! Creepy sounds and music by Lara Sluyter/Lara's Horror Sounds and BTRH.

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Ken and Doc emerge from Beyond the Rabbit Hole to celebrate their season finale! What could be bigger than this accomplishment? Well, how about a discussion about black holes (in space?!). Also, Ken gives us a sneak peak into a special episode forthcoming in season two and both hosts say goodbye to the current season. Thanks for joining us through and beyond the rabbit hole.

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Its here, Episode 9! Not only is it a new show, but it is supersized. That means more content and an opportunity to go well beyond the rabbit hole. In fact, Ken and Doc travel so far beyond that they end up in an alternate universe. Ken provides his insight into the Olympics including ratings, wacky scheduling of the broadcasts and pre-emptive disclosure of the outcomes. But wait, there is more! Ken and Doc talk Formula 1 racing, working in a NASCAR retail shop, Billie Eilish, Simone Biles, and...Goats?! Thanks for joining us for a wild ride Beyond the Rabbit Hole.

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What can help pass time while doing yard work or corralling feral piglets? Listening to an episode of the Beyond the Rabbit Hole podcast, of course! Ken and Doc reminisce about playing music in a church band and choir. There is a new music interlude titled "Uncle Leo's Distraction" and get ready for another segment of Doc's Box of Hodgepodge.

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Ken and Doc have filled the rabbit hole with discussions related to boxes and systems. So why not go beyond the rabbit hole with that mysterious vanilla bean! Ken provides the listeners with a shocking revelation about this tasty spice. Also, the hosts continue their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame discussion.

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Arizona. Forget that it is a "dry heat", it is just darn hot as biscuits! On this episode, Neverette Rockbottom and Spunky Van Wilkerman face off in an Arizona ghost town, Doc describes recording from The Ponderosa, and Ken and Doc talk about the beauty and heat of Arizona.

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Ken and Doc do their best with making rambling an art form. Their friendship is the anchor that drives these discussions. In this episode, both Ken and Doc go back in time in an attempt to recall the first time they met. Ken reminisces about uprooting to a new state while Doc fondly recalls parachute pants, Suzy Q's, and Dr. Pepper. Also, Doc has a surprise for Ken!

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It looks like Ken and Doc have gone well beyond the rabbit hole as they talk about boxes.....yes, boxes. First, Ken discusses his penchant for these wonderful containers. Then 1930's movie star Neverette Rockbottom introduces a big band song about, that's right, a box! The show concludes with a (possibly) new segment, Doc's Box of Hodge Podge.

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Ken and Doc continue their Seinfeld discussion, including the relevance of Ken's studio to this topic, why a show like Seinfeld may not be given a chance today, and musical cues from the show. Also, Ken and Doc go Mother's Day shopping at the mall!

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Ken and Doc go well beyond the rabbit hole during this first part of a Seinfeld specta-COOL-AHH! The Seinfeld show may have ended over two decades ago, but it's impact on Ken and Doc is obvious.

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Ken and Doc introduce season 1 of the Beyond the Rabbit Hole podcast with their vision for this journey. Ken has some thoughts about the rock and roll hall of fame, and an octogenarian couple get a visit from a phantom?!