CHINA-MENA: Recent Episodes
Atlantic Council
China in MENA Information Series Promotes Informed Discussion on Chinese Influence in the Middle East and informs US and MENA audiences in the policy and business communities about the nature of China’s outreach to the region.
In this episode of China-MENA, titled "China's Challenging Role in US Policy in MENA," join our host Jonathan Fulton featuring Dana Stroul, director of research and senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, as they explore China's evolving role and its impact on US policy in the Middle East and North Africa. This episode delves into global partnerships like the US-UAE-G42-Microsoft collaboration, the strategic significance of 5G technology and cloud computing, and the economic factors supporting Iran. Dana also discusses the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum and recent geopolitical events.
Join us for an insightful discussion on the future of US and allied strategies in the region.
Takeaways
* US vs. China in Regional Influence
* Importance of International Order
* US Strategic Partnerships
* China’s Regional Impact
Quotes
"China, as the sole competitor shaping the global order, inspires us to uphold equity, cooperation, and shared prosperity." - Dana Stroul
“The importance of the Rules-Based International Order lies in preventing unilateral changes or use of force to alter recognized boundaries" - Dana Stroul
Featured in the Episode
Dana Stroul
Research Director, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
Guest LinkedIn: Dana Stroul | LinkedIn
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
03:51 - Navigating Biden's China Challenge in the Middle East
08:46 - Safeguarding Strategic Partnerships Amidst China's Rise
11:41 - Exploring China's Economic Development
15:00 - Contrasting US and China Infrastructure Support
20:19 - Assessing China's Trade Influence
22:23 - Impact of the International Order on Gulf Economies
24:30 - Insights from the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum
29:18 - China's Prioritization of its Immediate Periphery
34:04 - Cooperation and Countering Iran's Influence
38:19 - Iran's Behavior Changes and China's Role39:51 - Evading Sanctions: Iran, Russia, and China
42:22 - Outro
In this episode of China-MENA, titled “From the Red Sea to the Indo-Pacific: Expanding Cooperation Between the Gulf and Asia," host Jonathan Fulton engages in a compelling conversation with Dr. Hasan Alhasan, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. They discuss China's role in Saudi Arabia's energy sectors, the impact of Indian and Chinese diasporas in the UAE, and India's naval presence in the Gulf. Dr. Alhasan also explores the Gulf States' views on the Indo-Pacific, defense and geoeconomic priorities, and the influence of the US, China, and India on Gulf alliances.
Join us to understand how Gulf-Asia cooperation addresses future challenges and opportunities, from the Red Sea to the Indo-Pacific and beyond.
Takeaways* Chinese Involvement in the Gulf * Regional Geopolitical Tensions * Indo-Pacific and Global Power Dynamics
Quotes
“'A realm where defense and geoeconomics distinctively part ways, shaping unique alliances and rivalries.” - Dr. Hasan Alhasan
“The Gulf States perceive the varied and vibrant Indo-Pacific through the distinct lens of their own interests, seizing each opportunity uniquely.” - Dr. Hasan Alhasan
Featured in the Episode
Dr. Hasan Alhasan
Senior Fellow for Middle East Policy at the IISS
Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hasan-t-alhasan
Guest Website: Dr Hasan Alhasan
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
01:53 - Exploring Gulf-Asia Economic Ties.
04:07 - Gulf States' Quest for Global Indispensability.
07:41 - Saudi Arabia's Drive for Economic Influence.
11:48 - India's Leadership in the Global South.
14:49 - Gulf States' Strategic Engagements with China, India.
18:28 - India's Naval Strategy and Evacuations.23:02 - Gulf States' Distanced Relationship with Asia.
27:11 - Regional Competition and Strategic Shifts.
31:34- India Expands Indo-Pacific Framework.
35:43 - Assessing Indo-Pacific's Impact on Gulf Security.
40:43 - Geoeconomics and Alliance Dynamics.
43:43 - Gulf States Prefer US AI, Diverse Partnerships.
45:58 - Outro
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In this episode of China-MENA titled “The View from New Delhi: Can IMEC rival China’s Belt and Road?”, our host Jonathan Fulton and guests Ambassador Navdeep Suri and expert Kabir Taneja explore the India, Middle East, Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC) and its ties to China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). We unravel India's significant strategic interests in the Middle East and how these regions perceive India's expanded role in driving economic prosperity and enhancing regional security. Join us for an enlightening conversation that bridges continents and cultures on the China MENA podcast.
Takeaways
* India, Middle East, Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC)
* India's Strategic Interests in the Middle East
* Regional Dynamics and Diplomatic Engagements
Quotes
“IMEC propels us towards future-proof economies, blending technology and energy integration.” - Navdeep Suri
"The geopolitical dynamics of the Middle East offer both a landscape of opportunities and a complex set of challenges for India."- Kabir Taneja
Featured in the Episode
Navdeep Suri
Former Ambassador of India to UAE & Egypt, High Commissioner to Australia
Guest LinkedIn: https://in.linkedin.com/in/navdeep-suri-2930452b
Guest Website: Navdeep Suri
Kabir Taneja
Fellow Strategic Studies Program, Observer Research Foundation
Guest LinkedIn: https://in.linkedin.com/in/kabirtaneja
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
01:39 - Geopolitical and Geoeconomic Considerations
03:16 - Challenges and Ongoing Interest
07:17 - IMEC's Focus on Technology in Transportation
11:28 - Economic Growth in Gulf Linked to India
14:11 - Growing Strategic Relationships in UAE, Saudi Arabia
17:55 - Exploring Potential Funding Sources
19:11 - Positive Momentum in the Region
25:12 - India's Role in Global Supply Chains
29:51 - Risk Distribution and US-China Contest
31:11 - Outro
In this episode, China vs the IMEC Corridor in the Middle East, Dr. Jean-Loup Samaan from the Middle East Institute of the National University of Singapore joins to discuss minilateral initiatives' impacts in the region. Explore the ongoing significance of the International Maritime Exercise (IMEC), Israel's post-Gaza war role, and complexities of regional dynamics. Unpack France's strategic trilateral partnership with the UAE and India to navigate tensions with China. Join us for a deep dive into these shifts, evaluating their implications on alliances and power balance in the Middle East on China-Mena.
Takeaways:
* International Maritime Exercise Initiative (IMEC) and Geopolitical Context
* France's Strategic Involvement in IMEC
* Uncertainties Surrounding IMEC
Quotes
"The benefit of mini laterals is creating new discussion mechanisms among countries, crucial in regions like the Middle East lacking strong security frameworks."-Jean-Loup Samaan
“The introduction of new methods brings hope and progress in the absence of a strong security structure.."-Jean-Loup Samaan
Featured in the Episode
Dr. Jean-Loup Samaan
Linkedin: https://sg.linkedin.com/in/jean-loup-samaan-512a782
Website:https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jean-loup-samaan/
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
00:23 - Exploring Middle East Mini Laterals
05:41 - Analyzing the US-led I2U2 Initiative
06:58 - Middle Eastern Caution Towards a New Quad
11:28 - Research Challenges in a Changing Middle East
15:04 - Jordan's Vital Role in Regional Stability
18:37 - Unpacking China's Regional Influence
23:35 - Shifting Foreign Policies Amid US-China Competition
26:31 - Innovations in Security via Mini Laterals
30:08 - Insights on Middle Eastern Politics and China's Responses
35:28 - UAE and India: Infrastructural Investments and Rebranding
38:27 - Issues with IMEC Format and Financing Concerns
40:24 - Uncertainties Surrounding Israel's Role
43:12 - Outro
Join us on China-Mena as we delve into Xi Jinping's political philosophy and its effects on the Middle East and North Africa. Discover Xi's global vision, autocratic alliances, and conflicts with leaders like India's Modi. With expert insights from Steve Zhang, we'll unravel Xi Jinping Thought, explore the Belt and Road Initiative, and China's diplomatic strategies. Delve into power dynamics, internal party debates, and Xi Jinping's quest for superpower status, exploring its impact on the MENA region.
Takeaways:* Xi Jinping's Vision versus Other Global South Leaders * China's Redefinition of International Order * The Ideology of Xi Jinping Thought * Global Diplomacy and Foreign Policy under Xi Jinping * Belt and Road Initiative and Global South Relations
Quotes
"Let's aim to radiate beauty, not just for ourselves but for the Global South and the world. - Steve Tsang
"Embrace and uphold Xi's leadership and political thought, fostering unity and determination, even in discomfort." - Steve Tsang
Featured in the Episode
Steve Tsang
Director of the SOAS China Institute
Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-tsang-3b937012/
Website:https://www.soas.ac.uk/about/steve-tsang
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
04:17 - China's political evolution under Mao and beyond.
09:16 - Evolving Chinese economic system: state vs private.
12:19 - Xi Jinping requires widespread support for his ideology.
14:39 - Xi Jinping's vision: unity, control, national rejuvenation.
21:32 - Xi Jinping aims to reshape global power dynamics.
24:07 - China leading democratization of international order, global South.
29:58 - Overview of China's global engagement and state-centric approach.
34:03 - Global South: diverse, India-China tension, leadership struggle.
39:15 - Navigating Soft Power and Wolf Warrior Diplomacy Under Xi Jinping
44:58 - Steering China's Assertive Stance and Western Relations
49:10 - Outro
Join us as we dive deep into China's maritime dynamics with Isaac B. Kardon, a top expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Isaac's expertise in maritime disputes, global port development, and PLA activities sheds light on China's evolving role in shaping international waters.Discover Isaac's groundbreaking book on China's maritime strategies and delve into his research on China's impact beyond its shores. Uncover China's ambitions in global waters, from deep-sea mining to infrastructure development with dual implications.
Tune in for an engaging discussion on China's maritime might and its implications for the global order.
Takeaways:* China's Maritime Expansion * Global Maritime Strategy * Maritime Capabilities and International Maritime Order * Naval Presence in the Middle East * Commercial Ports and Industrial Parks * Geopolitical Implications
Quotes
"The power differentials have become significantly important. It has made your ability to resort to international law as a regional actor less effective and more diluted." - Isaac B. Kardon
"China is heavily invested in transportation infrastructure due to its economic priorities as the world's largest trading nation."-Isaac B. Kardon
Featured in the Episode
Isaac B. Kardon
Senior Fellow For China Studies At The Carnegie Endowment For International Peace
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isaac-b-kardon-7ba90416/
Website: https://www.isaacbkardon.com/
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
07:08 - Disrupting Norms: China's Impact on the International Maritime Order
11:17 - Probing Regional Responses to China's
13:26 - Delving into China's Emphasis on Sovereignty Concerns
18:42 - Shifting Tides: Increasing PLA Deployments and Global Dynamics
20:14 - Navigating Challenges: China's Maritime Interests and Complexities
24:58 - The Precarious Balance: China's Posture Changes and Potential Conflicts
28:05 - Strategic Stronghold: Djibouti's Significance in Chinese Diplomacy
30:25 - Bridging the Divide: Chinese Perspectives on Overseas Actions
34:56 - Anticipating Support: Political and Security Pathways for China
39:50 - Economic Priorities: Balancing Development and Security in China
44:05 - Strategic Insights: Evaluating Military Missions and Facilities
45:27 - Tactical Transactions: Chinese Military Utilization of Commercial Spaces
47:49 - Outro
Welcome back to the China-Mena podcast! In today's episode, titled "Middle East Instability: A Chinese Perspective," our host Jonathan Fulton and guest Chuchu Zhang explore China's evolving role in the region. They discuss recent events, including the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and China's growing presence, and how these shape China's approach to the Middle East. Gain valuable insights into the complex geopolitical landscape and global power dynamics. Get ready for a thought-provoking discussion!
Takeaways* Chinese View of Palestinian-Israeli Conflict * Testing US Hegemony in the Middle East * Overlapping Interests with the United States * Middle Eastern Actors' Diversification of Partnerships * Concerns About Regional Stability and Conflict
Quotes
"The reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and Iran reminds us that sectarian confrontation in the region is not inevitable, transcending the need to highlight China's greatness." - Chuchu Zhang
"There are common interests promoting peace, but it's not a comprehensive solution to all problems. Yet, there is another perspective on promoting peace through development." - Chuchu Zhang
Featured in the Episode
Chuchu Zhang
Associate Professor of International Relations in the School of International Relations and Public Affairs at Fudan University
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
00:26 - Analyzing China's Role in the Middle East - Insights from an Expert
04:28 - China's Collaboration in Belt and Road Development
08:38 - Exploring China's Growing Involvement in Middle Eastern Affairs
12:44 - Spotlight on Current Middle East-China Relations
16:01 - The Rising Importance of the Middle East
18:42 - Examining US-Israel Goals, China's Concerns, and Global Impact
20:46 - Chinese Leaders' Perspectives on a US-Centered Middle East
24:07 - Unpacking China's Presence in the Middle East and Its Implications
27:44 - Proxy Warfare, Non-State Actors, and China's Dilemma Summarized
30:57 - Major Powers' Engagement with Armed Groups
35:26 - China's Preference for Bilateral Relations in the Middle East
39:58 - Debating the Interpretation of China's Regional Cooperation Proposal
41:19 - Seeking Flexibility: China's and Middle East's Mutual Goal
44:25 - Outro
Welcome to the China-Mena podcast, where we explore China's foreign policy in the Middle East and North Africa. In this episode, host Jonathan Fulton and guest Kerry Brown discuss the domestic drivers shaping China's international engagements. They unravel the complexities of China's internal landscape, including the middle class aspirations and the impact of Xi Jinping's leadership. They also analyze China's growing influence in the Middle East, shedding light on its diplomatic decision-making and potential implications for the region. Join us for a thought-provoking exploration of China's foreign policy strategy and domestic underpinnings.
Takeaways
* China's Domestic Drivers of Foreign Policy in MENA
* China's Core Interests and Soft Power Projection in MENA
* China's Global Role and Soft Power Challenges
* China's Influence in the Middle East and Domestic Influences on Foreign Policy
Quotes
"It's strange how China tries to change public opinion while facing an image problem. People love their cuisine and kung fu, but the political system makes it challenging for them to win hearts."- Kerry Brown"
Understanding China is complex, but it's crucial to find a balanced perspective in Western discourse."- Kerry Brown
Featured in the Episode
Kerry Brown
Professor of Chinese Studies, and Director,Lau China Institute, King's College, London
Linkedin:https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kerrybrown
Website: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/kerry-brown
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
04:47 - Concerns about leadership future raised by Premier's performance
08:23 - China's passive stance in world affairs
11:20 - Impact of changes in US leadership on China's strategy
15:22 - Reshuffling of China's internal priorities during the Trump presidency
18:26 - Chinese middle class's interest in international relations
21:05 - Summary of Evan Osnos' article on Chinese concerns
25:31 - Intrigue within the party and navigating power dynamics
27:35 - China's core interests defined as stability with internal link
31:51 - China's focus on regional stability and development
36:36 - China's dominance reshaping the world with little commonality
39:45 - Comparison of envy towards South Korean culture and China
43:10 - China's crucial role in the Middle East
45:27 - Taiwan's Unresolved Status: A Ticking Time Bomb
46:21 - Conclusion
Welcome to the China-MENA podcast. In this episode, host Jonathan Fulton discusses China's influence on the air domain in the Middle East and North Africa with guests Dr. Assaf Heller and Sarah-Masha Fainberg. They explore potential biases in analyzing China's strategy, its limited security role, concerns about its presence, and its strategic objectives in the region. Gain insights into the implications of China's expanding presence and its effects on military capabilities. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation on this important topic.
Takeaways
* Presence in the MENA Region
* Implications on the Air Domain and Military Capabilities
* Concerns about Chinese Exports and Technology Transfers
* Chinese Technology Transfers and Impact on the Air Domain
* Understanding China's Presence in the Region
Quotes
"The Chinese influence in the Middle East should not be overlooked. It encompasses both strategic and operational impact, and we must consider it seriously."- Dr. Assaf Heller
"China seeks to restore and preserve its position as a global power through a national rejuvenation journey." - Sarah-Masha Fainberg
Featured in the Episode
Dr. Assaf Heller
Colonel Reserves
Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/assaf-heller-242323137/
Sarah-Masha Fainberg
Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-masha-fainberg-phd-2602821a9/
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
03:53 - Sophisticated Weapon Systems: Development and Transfer by China
07:54 - Balancing China's Strategic Objectives: The Key Challenge
13:42 - Shifting Stance: China's Evolving Role in the Middle East
17:03 - Arab and Jewish Political Influence: Examining China's Perspective
20:59 - Seeking an Unbiased Operational Perspective: Hope of Analysts
22:34 - Potential Confrontation and Implications: Israel-China Dynamics
28:08 - Military-Civil Fusion Concerns: Exploring the Chinese MCF Concept
31:42 - Technology and Arms Exports: Concerns over China's Influence
35:47 - Beto Satellites and Dual Technology Purpose: China's Approach
36:49 - Cooperation Agreements: Lack of Specific and Quantifiable Details
42:41 - Impact on Regional Security: Discussing China's Technological Influence
44:55 - Forecasting Advanced Technology and Arms Transfers by China
47:23 - Seizing Opportunities: China's Role in the Middle East
52:10 - Conclusion
In this episode of China-Mena titled "Performative or Substantive Engagement? China & Russia in the Middle East," our host Jonathan Fulton and guests Dr. Li-Chen Sim and Mark Katz explore the growing collaboration between China and Russia and its impact on the Middle East. We unravel the complexities of Sino-Russian engagement in the region, discussing Russia's interests, China's role, and the influence of the Ukraine war. Join us as we navigate the evolving geopolitical landscape of this crucial region.
Takeaways
* China-Russia Collaboration in the Middle East
* China's Activities and Interests in the Middle East
* Perceptions of Great Power Competition and Influence in the Middle East
Quotes
"There is room for negotiation and cooperation between the US and China, transcending any cold war-like conflict." - Mark Katz
"Together, as a force multiplier, they amplify their interests and narratives in the Middle East, projecting greater collective power and influence."- Dr. Li-Chen Sim
Featured in the Episode
Dr. Li-Chen Sim
Political Scientist At Khalifa University Abu Dhabi United United Arab Emirates
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/li-chen-sim-3098035a/
Mark Katz
Professor of Government and Politics, George Mason University--Schar School of Policy and Government
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-n-katz-0707b213/
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
03:13 - Russian Weaponry and Reactor Sales: Driving Middle East Cooperation
10:01 - Amplifying Influence through Media Collaboration: The Force Multiplier
13:42 - Middle East's Perspective: Russia as Muscle, China as Financial Power
16:07 - Russia's Challenges as a Weapon Supplier: The Impact of Ukraine
19:06 - Changing Power Dynamics: China's Role in the Gaza Conflict
23:24 - China's Benefits from Russia's Non-Compliance with OPEC
28:14 - Prospects for Saudi Nuclear Energy Cooperation: A Realistic Outlook
30:08 - Middle Easterners' Support for Russian Influence in 2015
32:32 - US Concerns and Attention-Seeking in Response to Russia's Actions
38:48 - Acting with Diplomatic Considerations: Weighing Repercussions
42:08 - Inevitable Cooperation: China, Russia, and the Middle East
44:26 - Exploring Cooperation: Russia, Ukraine, West, and the Middle East
46:23 - Outro
In this episode of China-Mena titled "China and the Israel-Hamas War: A View from Tel Aviv," host Jonathan Fulton and guest Gedaliah Afterman engage in a compelling discussion on the intricate dynamics between China, Israel, and the ongoing conflict with Hamas. The conversation delves into China's evolving stance, economic interests, potential for mediation, and the consequential effects on China's emerging role in the Middle East. Join us as we unravel the complexities of this relationship and analyze its impact on regional dynamics.
Takeaways
* China's Relationship with Israel-Palestine
* Israel-China Technological Relationship
* China's Response to Israel-Hamas War
* Unlikelihood of Israel-China Political Partnership
* China's Economic Interests in the Middle East
* China's Roles in Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
* Limited China's Role in the Conflict
Quotes
"Trade between Israel and China is expected to continue, but the prospects of a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) may be jeopardized by trust issues and concerns about doing business in Europe and the US." - Gedaliah Afterman
"China's participation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be contingent upon its alignment with regional interests and its relationship with the United States."- Gedaliah Afterman
Featured in the Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Gedaliah Afterman
Head, Asia Policy Program at Abba Eban Institute of International Diplomacy, Reichman University (IDC Herzliya)
Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gedaliah-afterman/
Guest Website: The Asia Policy Program | Abba Eban Institute
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
00:09 - Understanding the China-Israel Relationship
03:42 - China's Ambitions for Mediation
07:14 - Exploring the Israel-China Tech Connection
06:37 - Analyzing Superpower Competition in the Israel-China Relationship
13:06 - Assessing China's Response to the Conflict
14:04 - Unveiling China's Stance: Anti-Israel Sentiment
17:44 - Examining the Impact on China-Israel Relationship
21:04 - Skepticism and Rhetoric Surrounding Israel-Palestine
25:40 - China's Role in Gaza Assistance
28:30 - China's Growing Influence in the Middle East
29:44 - Deliberating China's Regional Engagement Strategies
31:05 - Outro
In this episode, titled "10 Years On: China's Belt & Road Initiative and its Future in the Middle East," our host Jonathan Fulton delves into the current state of China's ambitious Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and its implications for the Middle East. Jonathan will analyze the recently held Belt and Road Forum, the involvement of various countries in the initiative, and the challenges and opportunities it presents. Get ready to explore the complexities of China's global infrastructure plan and its impact on the Middle East, as we discuss the geopolitical dynamics, competing interests, and potential alternatives to the BRI.
Takeaways
* Impact of the Belt & Road Initiative
* China's Strategic Goals and Future Plans
* Competition for Leadership in the Global South
* Alternatives and Response to the BRI
* The EU's Global Gateway Initiative
* China's Renewed Commitment to the BRI
* Broader Foreign Policy Strategy of China
* China's Economic Relationship with the Middle East
Quotes
"The Belt and Road Initiative exemplifies China's ambition to reshape global dynamics, providing growth alternatives to emerging nations against the prevailing US-led order." - Yun Sun
"Developing countries will continue to engage with China, but they need to negotiate for better terms and develop resilience against negative effects." - David O. Shullman
Featured in the Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
David O. Shullman
Senior Director of the Global China Hub at the Atlantic Council
https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-0-shullman-56a85a24/
Yun Sun
Senior Fellow and Co-Director, East Asia Program, Director of the China Program, Stimson Cente
rhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/yun-sun-62871729/
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
02:29 Shaping Foreign Policy: China's BRI and the Global Order
07:04 Reviving Commitments: China's Renewed Focus on the BRI
11:07 Summit Dynamics: Sparse Western Presence at the Belton Road Summit
12:37 Emerging Axis: China's Intensified Focus on the Developing World
15:48 Geopolitical Chess: China's Quest for Influence in the Global South
19:06 Global Rivalry: China's Strategy for Garnering Developing World Support
24:40 Power Balance: India's Role in the Global Competition
26:08 Mission Engagement: Challenging China's Diplomacy in Africa, Latin America, and Asia
29:56 Resilience and Revolution: Offering Digital Alternatives to the BRI
34:19 Economic Endurance: BRI's Stability Amid China's Economic Slowdown
36:57 Strategic Partnerships: Gulf Countries' Economic Diversification with China
39:56 Outro
In this episode titled "The Gulf’s New De-Escalation Foreign Policy Among World Powers," our host Jonathan Fulton is joined by esteemed guest Mohammed Baharoon to discuss the shifting dynamics of Gulf countries and their foreign policies. From the focus on developmental issues and sustainable economies to the changing perspectives on security and power, our experts explore the implications and potential solutions to foster stability in the region. Join us as we tackle crucial topics such as the impact of China's presence in Africa, the concept of de-escalation as a security strategy, and the evolving landscape of international relations.
Takeaways
* The Gulf's Shift Towards De-Escalation and Development in Foreign Policy
* African Nations: Resources, Youth, and the Impact of Foreign Influence
* Evolving Notions of Security and Power: A Changing Perspective
* The Changing Geopolitical Landscape of Asia
* Gulf Nations' Complex Ties with Global Powers
* Pursuing Rapprochement and De-Escalation in International Relations
* The UAE's Focus on Development and Collaborative Initiatives
* The Growing African Community in the Emirates
* Geopolitical Considerations and Africa's Emerging Opportunities
Quotes
"There is no one-size-fits-all solution to resolving conflicts. Each situation requires a nuanced understanding and a tailored approach." - Mohammed Baharoon
"Fostering access, connectivity, and de-escalation is the new approach to address security concerns, shifting away from military solutions" – Mohammed Baharoon
Featured in the Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Mohammed Baharoon
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mohammed-baharoon-a870b424/
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
02:02 - Shifting from Security to De-Escalation Strategy
05:28 - Abrahamic Accords: A Shift into Identity Conflict
07:59 - Cooperation for Addressing Cosmic Challenges1
1:58 - Asia's Expanding Concept: India and China Included
14:56 - Gulf Countries Facing Tough Choices in Geopolitics
18:31 - Trump's Masterful Attempt to De-Escalate Korea
20:11 - Prioritizing Local Development over Power Competition
24:33 - Japan's Tech Support for Gulf's Energy Transition
28:56 - Investing in Diversification for Energy Security
30:18 - Emirates' Growing Interest in Africa's Development
35:27 - Questioning the Necessity of African Economic Development
36:45 - Seizing the Early Opportunity in West Africa's Urbanization
40:15 - Creating Safe Spaces for Interaction and Conflict Avoidance
45:56 - Outro
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In this episode, We embark on a thought-provoking journey into the realm of China's involvement in conflict resolution within the region. Your host, Jonathan Fulton, is joined by the insightful voices of Helena Legarda and Dr. Sanam Vakil. Together, they dissect China's strategic approach to mediating conflicts and its consequential impact on the Middle East.
Amidst a landscape seeking fresh perspectives in conflict resolution, a pertinent question emerges: Can China wield transformative influence? As we navigate the intricate terrain, we invite you to delve into the nuances, obstacles, and potential avenues presented by China's mediation role in this dynamic region. Brace yourselves for an enlightening discourse that promises to reshape your vantage point on global politics.
Takeaways* China's Mediation Quest in the Middle East * Craving China's Role: Appetite for Involvement * China's Rise: Crafting a Responsible Power Image * Non-Interference Story: China's Investment Narrative * Deep Dilemma: Skepticism on Complex Involvement * Unfolding Potential: China's Gradual Mediation Role * Hope Amidst Doubt: China's Complex Involvement * Geopolitical Ambitions: China's Shaping Influence * Diplomatic Magic: China's Outreach and Persona * Economic Drive: China's Role in Stability
Quotes
"Change awaits. Yet, for now, our reality is navigating these inner boundaries and encapsulated processes shapes our path forward." – Helena Legarda
"Bridging the ambition-action gap can reshape the region, inspiring meaningful dialogues and enduring resolutions." – Dr. Sanam Vakil
Featured in the Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Helena Legarda
Lead Analyst, Mercator Institute for China Studies(MERICS) In Berlin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hlegarda/
Dr. Sanam Vakil
Director of Middle East and North Africa Programme, Chatham House
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanam-vakil-6b036b3a/
Chapters
00:12 - Introduction
01:59 - Global Ambitions: Mediation and Geopolitical Dynamics
08:17 - Economic Engagement: China's Rising Role
12:14 - Commitment Gaps: China's Mediation Challenges
14:23 - Tensions and Uncertainties: China's Role in Saudi Arabia and Iran
18:25 - Geopolitical Partnerships: China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia
22:51 - Limitations Unveiled: China's Struggles in Conflict Mediation
27:29 - Global Reach: China's Quest for Influence
31:52 - Unraveling Israel-Palestine Peace Plans
34:01 - Middle East's Reaction to China's Involvement
37:44 - GCC Tensions: China's Priorities and Missteps
40:24 - Iran's Concerns: Analyzing China's Rising Influence
41:22 - Outro
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Explore China's prominent initiatives, the Belt and Road Initiative and the Northern Initiative, as we uncover their true intentions—funding and support or genuine global development. Our esteemed guests shed light on the Chinese Communist Party's approach and practical implementation. We examine progress support, capacity building, and knowledge-sharing efforts, including global development centers and vocational training programs. Join us to understand China's aspirations in shaping global governance. Addressing challenges and skepticism, this episode offers valuable insights for those intrigued by international relations and global development.
Takeaways* China's Promotion of Initiatives and Slogans * Skepticism around Funding and Support from State-Owned Banks * Implementation of Belt and Road Initiative and Northern Initiative * Xi Jinping's 32 Deliverables and Action Plans * Capacity Building through Vocational Training Programs * China's Aim to Mediate Conflicts and Increase Military Presence in the Middle East * Importance of Monitoring China's Initiatives and Developments * China's Foreign Policy Shift towards the Global South
Quotes
"Embracing multilateralism allows us to foster multiple partnerships and engagements, resulting in a balanced world with diverse sources of strength."-Tuvia Gering
"Amidst the shortcomings of US governance, China endeavors to reform global governance, striving for democracy, multipolarity, fairness, and justice." - Michael Schuman
"Beijing remains steadfast, doubling down on their initiatives with unwavering momentum."- Michael Schuman
Featured in the Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Michael Schuman
Nonresident Senior Fellow, Global China Hub, Atlantic Council
https://twitter.com/michaelschuman
Tuvia Gering
Nonresident Fellow, Global China Hub, Atlantic Council; Researcher at the Diane & Guilford Glazer Foundation Israel-China Policy Center at the Institute for National Security Studies
https://twitter.com/GeringTuvia
Chapters
00:09 - Introduction
01:53 - China's Global Initiatives: Shaping a New World Order
06:00 - Beijing's Ambitions: Altering the US-Led World Order
10:40 - Advancing Global Initiatives Amidst US Resurgence
13:23 - Empowering Influence: China's Growing Global Impact
18:21 - China's Foreign Policy Shift: Strengthening Ties with the Global South
20:05 - Embracing China's Offer in Global Development
24:18 - Offering an Alternative Development Model
31:58 - China's Initiatives: Balancing Rhetoric and Reality
35:54 - Promoting Democracy and Facing Challenges
39:40 - Check and Counter Check: Global Influence Battle
40:24 - Superpower Rivalry: Assessing Positive and Negative Impacts
43:21 - Outro
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The US has been examining China's expanding involvement in the Middle East from various perspectives, both within and beyond the region. A major topic of discussion has been the strained relationship between China and the US, which is having a significant impact on the strategic landscape of the Middle East and North Africa. To provide us with insight into how the US government perceives China's media interactions in the region, We are joined by Dr. Julian Gewirtz and Chris Backemeyer. They will discuss certain topics such as the priorities of the US in the region as well as the opportunities and challenges for the cooperation of China and US in the MENA region.
Takeaways
The Priorities of United States in the MENA region
US perspective on China becoming a major player on geopolitics
The diplomatic effort of China in the MENA region
Opportunities and Challenges for cooperation of China and US in the MENA region
The impact of China-Iran relationship on the interest of US in the region
Quotes
The US is in favor of any action taken by China or other countries to lower tensions, decrease conflicts or prevent destabilizing actions in the region. - Chris
President Biden sees this decade as critical and has a strategy for China: invest, align, and compete. - Julian
The fundamental U.S. goal of our foreign policy is a free and open and prosperous and secure world. - Julian
Featured in the Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Julian Gewirtz
Deputy China Coordinator, U.S. Department of State
https://twitter.com/JulianGewirtz
Chris Backemeyer
Deputy Assistant Secretary for Assistance Coordination and Regional and Multilateral Affairs, US State Department’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs
https://twitter.com/chrisbackemeyer
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:29 US priorities on MENA region
06:55 China as a global actor
14:03 US’s view on the China’s growing presence in the region
20:26 China’s role in the diplomatic outreach in the region
22:22 Challenges for cooperation between China and US
28:40 Assessing the impact of the bilateral of China and Iran
31:30 Cooperation for China, US, and Middle East on climate change challenges
36:34 Final takeaways from our guests
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The United States and China are frequently brought up when discussing other regional powers in the Middle East, however, India also plays a role in the geopolitical dynamics within the region. With its long-standing linkages in economics, culture, and religion, India has long had a significant presence in the area. But as New Delhi has been interacting on political, diplomatic, and security fronts lately, this has taken a more strategic tone. In this episode, We are joined by Raja Mohan, a Senior Fellow with the Asia Society Policy Institute in Delhi. He will share with us his knowledge about India’s role in geopolitics in the Middle East as well as the perspective of New Delhi on the influence of the US-China tug-of-war within the region. He will also discuss India's relations with some states in the region and provide some insights about maritime security in the Indian Ocean and the growing influence of mixed cultures in the Gulf.
Takeaways
An overview of India’s interest in the Middle East and the shift toward the Gulf region
New Delhi's Viewpoint on the India-US-China Triangle in the Middle East
The India - China relationship in the recent decade
The geopolitical play of Iran, India, Pakistan, and GCC in the Indian Ocean
The growing partnership between India and the Gulf
The perspective of the geopolitical forces in Asia
Quotes
We'd rather have the Americans sit on our hands for good than the Chinese. - Raja Mohan
India faces challenges from China's growing presence in the Himalayas and the Indian Ocean, where China has established relationships with key island states. This requires India to work with Western partners. - Raja Mohan
Featured in the Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Raja Mohan
Senior Fellow with the Asia Society Policy Institute in Delhi
Profile: https://asiasociety.org/policy-institute/c-raja-mohan
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MohanCRaja
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:25 An overview of India’s interest in the Middle East
09:11 India’s shift into the Gulf region
13:12 The I2U2 Group and India’s approach to the Middle East
15:34 New Delhi’s perspective on the India-US-China Triangle in the Middle East
21:04 The India-China relationship today
26:00 The assessment of the China-Iran relationship
28:53 The maritime security in the Indian Ocean
31:32 Geopolitics of Iran, India, Pakistan, and the GCC
34:52 India and the Gulf’s growing partnership
38:01 Integrating different cultures and people in the Middle East
40:20 Balancing Geopolitical forces in Asia
42:27 Conclusion
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China's rise to power has led to discussions about whether the country will support or try to change the current international system. It is clear that China has both supported and been dissatisfied with certain aspects of the system. The country has demonstrated its preferences for a global order through initiatives such as the Belt and Road Initiative and the Global Development and Security Initiatives. To better understand the actions of China, we invited Nadege Rolland, is a Distinguished Fellow, China Studies, at the National Bureau of Asian Research (NBR), an American private think-tank based in Seattle and Washington, D.C. She will share an overview of the new 2 initiatives of China, the perspective of other countries towards China’s rise in the global economy, and if China will support the existing global order or not.
Nadège Rolland is Senior Fellow, Political and Security Affairs, at the National Bureau of Asian Research (NBR), an American private think-tank based in Seattle and Washington, D.C. Her research focuses mainly on China’s foreign and defense policy, grand strategy, and the articulation of China’s vision for itself as a great power on the world stage.
Takeaways
China’s opposing view against the International Order
The Global Development Initiative and Global Security Initiative of China
The China’s narrative to the world as a rising power in the geopolitical stage
China’s control and strategy in maintaining the power locally and globally
Quotes
China has been very worried and concerned about the Global order itself, because it really is antithetical to the principles under which the Chinese regime is being built. - Nadege
This BRI is really a way to support a vision for a new world order that is China centric. - Nadege
Where does the success of China come from exactly? and what constitutes this success? You will see that there's a lot to it, that it's more about the liberal elements that have allowed for China's success now. - Nadege
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Nadège Rolland
Distinguished Fellow, China StudiesThe National Bureau of Asian Research
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nad%C3%A8ge-rolland-00778085/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rollandnadege
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:16 Global Order
07:38 China’s view against the Order
15:07 Overview of GDI and GSI
24:50 China’s solution to world’s fundamental problems
39:46 China’s political values
48:08 The Resilience and Adaptability of One-Party Rule in China
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China has made significant inroads into much of the global south, a trend that does not always receive adequate attention in the West. China's image in those countries has deteriorated in recent years, and there appears to be an assumption that this is universal. However, polling data from Africa and the Middle East show that China's reputation in the developing world is in much better shape.
In today's podcast, we are joined by Dr. Lina Benabdallah. Dr. Lina Benabdallah is a Wake Forest University assistant professor of politics and international affairs. Her research interests include international relations theory, foreign policy, critical theories of power, past politics, and knowledge production and hegemony in South-South relations. Dr. Lina will provide an overview of China's influence in the Global South, as well as why China is viewed positively by African countries. She will also discuss how China gained positive impressions from Africans and how this affects the global stage.
Takeaways
Overview of China’s influence on the Global South
The difference between Western perspectives and the Global South to China
Africa’s positive impressions of China
Position of Africans in the US-China conflict
China’s influence in terms of relations and production
Quotes
Positive impressions and perceptions of China in Africa come from these tangible projects, goods, and infrastructure that people can use to make their life easier - Dr. Lina
China is identifying itself as a member of the Global South family. This makes them more appealing to countries in the Global South, as well as a model for countries aspiring to be great nations. - Dr. Lina
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Dr. Lina Benabdallah
Assistant Professor of Politics and International Affairs at Wake Forest University
https://linabenabdallah.com
https://twitter.com/lbenabdallah
Her Book:
Shaping the future of Power, Knowledge, Production, and Network Building in China-Africa relations
https://www.amazon.com/Shaping-Future-Power-Network-Building-China-Africa/dp/0472074547
https://www.press.umich.edu/10194365/shaping_the_future_of_power
The Article mentioned:
China's Soft Power Advantage in Africa
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/africa/2021-12-23/chinas-soft-power-advantage-africa
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:17 An Overview of China’s outreach to the Global South
09:10 Western perspective of China versus the perspective of the Global South
16:11 Reasons why China has positive impressions in Africa
24:13 Africans in the US-China conflict
35:58 Developing the social capital of Africa
45:06 Measuring China’s influence in terms of relations and productions
51:57 Professional approach to learning China’s influence in the Global South
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The fact that Middle Eastern countries' relationships with China are complicated has been a recurring theme throughout this show. Nothing is as simple as the headlines would have us believe. The Sino-Israeli relationship is particularly complex. Dense economic ties must be balanced against Israel's deeper and far more important ties with the US. While China does a lot of business with Israel, its international support for Palestine limits its political cooperation with the Jewish state. Assaf Orion, a senior researcher at the Institute of National Security Studies and the Director of the Diane and Guilford Glazer Israel China Policy Center in Tel-Aviv, Israel, joins us on today's podcast. He will speak with us about the dynamics of the China-Israel relationship and how it affects Israel as a state, as well as its neighbors and the Israel-Palestine relationship.
Takeaways
Overview of the Israel-China bilateral relationship
Israel’s perspective of the Belt and Road Initiative of China
The issue of Port of Haifa regarding the power struggle in the region
China meddling in Israeli domestic affairs as well as the Israel-Palestine relationship
Israel's perspective on China's MENA strategy
Quotes
China has started the Global Development Initiative which is a non-BRI, which tells us that BRI has been less successful - Assaf
China is not a security guarantor in the Middle East yet China is an interesting business and infrastructure partner. - Assaf
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Assaf Orion
Director, Diane & Guilford Glazer Israel-China Policy Center
Israel’s Institute For National Security Studies (INSS)
Linkedin: https://il.linkedin.com/in/assaf-orion-1b8274104
Website: https://www.inss.org.il/
Published Article mentioned in the show
No, Israel Isn't Falling Into China's Orbit
https://www.inss.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/No-Israel-Isnt-Falling-Into-Chinas-Orbit-Assaf-Orion-Mosaic-for-site.pdf
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:53 Overview of Israel-China bilateral relationship
09:02 China-Israel relationship, is it cooling down?
16:01 The BRI as a medium for Israel to connect with its neighboring countries
24:44 The port of Haifa linking to different Chinese-managed ports
31:03 China engaging in Israel’s domestic politics
36:58 Thoughts on China being a mediator between Israel and Palestine
42:53 Israel’s thoughts on China’s approach in the MENA region
50:20 Articles and resources
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Different people have different perspectives on China's image in the MENA region. Some are positive while others are negative. However, we want to know the public's opinion on a larger scale while employing the proper scientific technique.
In today's podcast, we are joined by Michael Robbins, Director and Co-Principal Investigator, of Arab Barometer, a nonpartisan research network that provides insight into the social, political, and economic attitudes and values of ordinary citizens across the Arab world. In the show, Michael explains the Arab Barometer and its purpose, as well as how they conduct surveys and collect data. He also discusses the region's perception of China based on their research. He also elaborated on the different perspectives of the elite versus the general public on China, as the elite is more favorable to China. These findings may be questioned because the majority of the public has no knowledge of or interest in geopolitics, and they may change as more information is gathered. Finally, he discusses the factors that can change or influence people's attitudes toward a country.
Takeaways
The Arab Barometer, its functions, research, and its goals
China’s perception around the MENA region according to surveys
The view of the Gulf region differs from other countries in the region
The negative view of China by the people of Israel and Palestine
The differences between public opinion versus the elite according to data
The factors that influence foreigners' perceptions of a country
Quotes
We find that China remains relatively popular. we see that at least half or roughly half say that they have a positive view of China overall. - Michael
there is a broad sense that the views of China are stronger among the elites according to data - Michael
Probably in the next ten years, China will really come into view from the Middle East and there will probably be slightly more fixed views of China itself. - Michael
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Michael Robbins
Director and Co-Principal Investigator, Arab Barometer
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mdhrobbins
Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/mdhrobbins
Website: https://www.arabbarometer.org
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:40 What is the Arab Barometer?
02:55 Which countries have the Urban Barometer been looking at?
04:41 How many people do you interview?
05:42 What are the perceptions of China around the region?
08:03 Are these perceptions of China might change?
12:34 A big shift of opinion in a short period of time
17:39 Different views of China in the Gulf region
19:30 Negative perceptions of China in Israel
23:48 Elite perceptions versus public perceptions of China
26:33 Explanation behind high and low perceptions of China from different countries
32:03 Palestinians don’t support China despite the aid from China
35:28 Factors that affect a country's positive or negative perceptions
41:21 Links and Resources on data and research from Arab Barometer
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Many nations with interests in the Middle East are now reevaluating their strategies in light of China's rise as a key player in the region. Governments and businesses in the MENA region did not have to think much about China until recently. The last ten years have seen a significant change in that. And whether you're talking about commerce, investment, security, development, or diplomacy, the subject of what Beijing thinks is one that is constantly raised. Additionally, this is complicated by China's difficult interactions with numerous international events and economies.
In today's podcast, we are joined by Camille Lons. Camille is a research associate at the International Institute for Strategic Studies or IISS. She will discuss how Europeans see China as China is now rising as a big player in geopolitics in the MENA region and the world.
Takeaways
How does the EU respond to the rising influence of China in the MENA region and the world?
The areas where the EU and China can cooperate in the MENA region
How does the EU position itself in the US-China rivalry in the geopolitics
Why does China still have a strong influence in the region despite the warnings and issues given by the western countries
Quotes
The Europeans realized how dependent they were on China during COVID when it came to their supply chains, and this acted as a wakeup call that they were now vulnerable to rising authoritarian powers - Camille
The EU and China can really cooperate when talking about clean energy infrastructures in the MENA region. - Camille
The EU is trying to position itself as a third party in the US-China rivalry. It means that other nations have the opportunity to choose the EU as a partner over the US and China. - Camille
One of the concerns of the EU about the China's presence in the MENA is that China is the provider of the finance development in the region and these might raise some concerns such as humanitarian issues, labor issues and below standard practices - Camille.
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Camille Lons
Research Associate, IISS-Middle East
Profile: https://www.iiss.org/people/middle-east/camille-lons
Twitter: https://twitter.com/camillelons
Links mentioned in the episode
IISS China connect project
Check it here -> https://chinaconnects.iiss.org
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:02 How does Europe see China both within Europe and globally
09:28 EU's perspective on China's rising presence in the MENA region
22:27 China is a big player in providing development aid in the MENA region
26:35 Nations that are challenging for the EU and have China's influence
32:14 Areas where the EU and China can cooperate
38:43 Why China is an attractive political partner in the MENA region
43:10 How the EU is using the US engagement in the region as their main narratives
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In a speech on May 26, Secretary of State Antony Blinken outlined the Biden administration's policy toward China, which he characterized as the only nation with the will to alter the international order as well as an increasing amount of economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to do so. According to him, the U.S. will concentrate on influencing Beijing's strategic environment to further its goals. In this period of strategic rivalry, use the three-word strategy of invest, align, and compete. The Indo-Pacific region has been designated as the U.S.'s top priority theater, while the Middle East and North Africa are also significant rival regions.
In this podcast, Jonathan invited Ambassador Bilahari Kausikan, former ambassador and Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In today's episode, They discuss the influence of the US-China Competition in the Southeast Asia region. They also discuss the difference between the Gulf region and the SEA region in terms of the people, culture, religion, and perspective in this geopolitics competition. Moreover, Ambassador Bilahari states that the SEA region welcomes these extra-national powers within the region as they are helping the economic growth of the countries and also maintaining the balance of power in the region. Lastly, the Ambassador gives some advice to the Gulf countries regarding US-China geopolitics.
Key Takeaways
The influence of US-China Competition in the SEA region
Comparison between the Gulf region and the SEA region
The China-Iran relationship in geopolitics
The role of Extra-nationals in the power balance in the SEA and East Asia
Advice and recommendations to Gulf Countries from our guest
Quotes
The US-China competition is competition within a system, one system of which the US and China are both vital and irreplaceable parts in a global system - Bilahari
We do welcome all external powers but don't follow its interests - Bilahari
China has good relations with everybody in the MENA region but it is not a sustainable position over the long run, and the Chinese know it and are not quite sure what to do about it - Bilahari
extra-regional powers are a very important pillar of their security. - Jonathan
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Bilahari Kausikan
Chairman, Middle East Institute, National University of Singapore
Former Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Singapore
Profile: https://www.iiss.org/governance/the-advisory-council/bilahari-kausikan
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:22 Influence in Southeast Asia
09:30 The Gulf region vs Southeast Asia
19:47 China and Iran relations
25:36 Extranational powers in the role of security
28:58 North Korea distrusts China
30:21 Binary of great power combination
33:17 US is a key in the Economic power in SEA
39:52 Advice to the Gulf countries
42:54 Conclusion
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The increasing engagement of Iran towards China is nothing but a major issue in the Gulf region. Yet, despite this, GCC countries have been cooperating with China when talking about trade, investments, politics, and even culture.
In this podcast, We are joined by Mohammed Al-Sudairi, a Senior Research Fellow and Head of the Asian Studies Program at KFCRIS. Mohammed and Jonathan talked about the political view of GCC towards China, the relationship of GCC countries with China in terms of people, culture, and businesses, and the competition narrative of the two countries, the USA and China in the region.
Key Takeaways
The political perspective of GCC countries toward China
The early diplomatic ties of some GCC countries with China
Oman and Kuwait's early relations with China suddenly become passive.
Chinese investments moving to other countries due to bad politics
The Sino-Arab citizens assimilate the culture and life of Arab people
Competition narrative of US and China in GCC
Impression of Gulf people towards China
The Saudi citizens trying to live in the Mainland China
Quotes
Energy has been the main catalyst for this orientation between GCC and China - Mohammed
There is solidified imagery about China as a potential alternative to the U.S.- Mohammed
A lot of these individuals wrote about their experiences and depicted China as this great liberatory power. - Mohammed
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Mohammed Al-Sudairi
Senior Research Fellow and Head of Asian Studies Program at KFCRIS.
King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies Asian Studies Unit Head
Profile: https://www.kfcris.com/en/researcher/10
Email: malsudairi@kfcris.com
Phone: +852-6816-4293
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:38 GCC's attitude towards China
06:04 Early diplomatic ties of GCC with China
08:06 Early relations between China and GCC suddenly become silent
10:45 Moving to other countries
14:55 Regional representation of the Gulf Peninsula
17:00 Sino-Arab citizens
20:44 US-GCC relations
22:55 Competition narrative of US and China in GCC countries
32:57 Impressions of Gulf people toward China
40:32 Saudi people moving to China
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China has been expanding its Belt and Road Initiative around the world, but they are also working on a new version of BRI that utilizes the Digital Space. The initiative was dubbed the Digital Silk Road Initiative. The Digital Silk Road Initiative, or DSRI, is already in motion across the Middle East and North Africa, particularly in North Africa. Chinese big tech companies like Huawei have been assisting North African countries in digitizing their economies to compete with First World countries. These can also lead to wonderful opportunities for North Africans since DSRI promises regional economic growth.
In this podcast, We are joined by Tin-Hinane El-Kadi, a political economy researcher, currently writing a Ph.D. thesis at the London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE), looking at China's Digital Silk Road in North Africa.
They talked about China's Digital Silk Road Initiative and Huawei's role in setting it into action. They also discussed the impression of the Chinese in North Africa, as China begins to establish a political role in the region. They also discussed Chinese ventures that focus on leveraging the digital domain. Data Centers, AI or Machine Learning, Cloud Computing, and 5G Technologies are all examples. Finally, they discussed the future connection between China and North Africa.
Key Takeaways
The Overview of the Digital Silk Road Initiative of China
The Role of Huawei in the DSRI of China in North Africa
Huawei perceived by Other Countries as not a Commercial Company
Deep Chinese Presence in Countries in North Africa
What the North Africans thought of China and Their Presence in the Region
Significant Projects of Huawei and Other Chinese Tech Giants in the Region
Thoughts about the Relationship between China-North Africa
Quotes
I believe there is a disconnect between China's existing economic presence in the area and people's perceptions of China. - Tin-Hinane
Huawei was instrumental in the transition from 2G to 3G to 4G and, most likely, to 5G. It also plays a major role in the enterprise sector, interacting with businesses and setting up data centers, cloud computing, and cloud capacity. - Tin-Hinane
I believe that governments around the region see the BRI as a wonderful chance to develop infrastructure, attract investment, and generate jobs for the region's millions of unemployed. - Tin-Hinane
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Tin Hinan El-Kadi
Political Economy Researcher whose Work Focuses on China and the Middle East
Profile: https://en.issra-dz.org/tin-hinane-el-kadi/
Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/tin-hinane-el-kadi-234329171
Twitter: https://twitter.com/tinhinanel
Email/Contact: T.El-Kadi@lse.ac.uk
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:17 An Overview of the Digital Silk Road Initiative
05:32 How Does Huawei fit in the DSRI of China
08:37 Other Countries See Huawei as not a Commercial Company
15:43 Deep Chinese Presence in Countries of North Africa
18:44 What the North Africans thought of China
24:31 Significant Projects of Huawei in the North Africa Region
30:13 Some Tech Projects by Chinese Tech Giants in The Region
35:04 North Africans Appetite in Cooperation with China
38:58 Thoughts about the Relationship between China-North Africa
41:16 Conclusion
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China has been establishing itself as an economic player in the MENA region, not engaging in any complicated political issues. However, in recent years, China has been increasingly involved in political affairs. They have been engaging with the Arab states as well as the North African Countries.
In this podcast, Jonathan invited Dr. Dawn Murphy, an Associate Professor of International Security Studies at the US Air War College. She specializes in Chinese foreign policy and domestic politics, US-China relations, and international relations. She wrote the book titled "China's Rise in the Global South, the Middle East. Africa. And Beijings' Alternative World Order".
In the episode, They go through a quick summary of her novel and what it's about. They also discussed the forums with which China is affiliated, as well as the goals and objectives of those forums. They also talk about China's connections with non-Arab nations including Turkey, Iran, and Israel. They also covered China's two envoys, the Middle East envoys, and Africa's envoys. They talk about the overviews and the importance of these envoys in China's relations with the region. Finally, they address how the US should think about China's growing influence in the area and how they should interact with China as a competitor.
Key Takeaways
An overview of the Book "China's Rise in the Global South"
Elaborating the 2 Cooperation Forums where China is associated with: China-Africa and the China Arab States
China's Relationship with Non-Arab Countries such as Iran, Israel, and Turkey.
Mutual Political Support and Interests between China and the Arab World
The Upcoming Forums of China with Middle East Nations
New Forms of the BRI: Digital Silk Road and Health Silk Road
The Two China's Envoy: Middle East Issues envoy and the Africa Issue envoy
How should the US interact with the Increasing Influence of China in the region
Quotes
China is not attempting to change the distribution of territory in the Middle East or Africa, as its power grows, it is increasingly competing with the US. - Dawn
China's relationship with Israel is a special case. I see no evidence that China is striving to draw them into any sort of cooperative forum. Part of this stems from its long-standing support for Palestinians and desire to be recognized as a balanced player in the region. -Dawn
China has a very strong relationship with Israel, as well as the Arab states, as well as Iran and, you know, other players in the region more broadly. And it very much portrays itself as a balanced actor in relation to these issues. - Dawn
Special Terms Mentioned in the Episode
CASCF - The China-Arab States Cooperation Forum
FOCAC - Forum on China–Africa Cooperation
PRC - People's Republic of China
SCO - Shanghai Cooperation Organization
Global South - refers broadly to the regions of Latin America, Asia, Africa, and Oceania.
JCPOA - The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)
BRI - Belt and Road Initiative
Book Mentioned in the Episode
China's Rise in the Global South, the Middle East. Africa. And Beijings' Alternative World Order
Links:
https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=33516
https://www.amazon.com/Chinas-Rise-Global-South-Alternative/dp/1503630099
https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9781503630604/html?lang=en
Featured in this Episode
Jonathan Fulton
Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/
Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton
Dr. Dawn Murphy
Associate Professor of International Security Studies, US Air War College
Profile/Website: https://dawncmurphy.com/
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dawn-murphy-7a870589
Email/Contact: dcmurphy@gwmail.gwu.edu / dawn.murphy@au.af.edu
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:44 An Overview of Dawn's Book
08:33 Talking about the Forums: China-Africa and China-Arab
16:29 Results and Outcomes from these China-led Forums
20:01 China's relations with Turkey, Iran, and Israel
30:52 China-Arab Political Supports and Interests
33:28 The upcoming Forums of China with Middle East Nations
37:44 New Forms of the BRI
40:44 An Overview of China's Envoy
45:53 US reacts to the Increasing Influence of China
50:01 Conclusion
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China's objective in recent years has been to establish a firm foothold in the Gulf region, as the country is highly reliant on Middle Eastern oil to fuel its economic growth. The Belt and Road Initiative, their new approach, is paving the road for them to attain their goal. Similarly, China has a different strategy, relying on soft power to develop favorable influence throughout the region. China wishes to deepen economic links with the Middle East, and soft power relationships can result in significant bilateral exchanges for both parties.
In this episode, We are joined by Shaojin Chai, a professor of international relations at the University of Sharjah. He spent a lot of time thinking and writing about China's cultural, educational, and religious outreach to the Middle East. His specialization is International Studies, Modern Chinese History and Political Science.
📌Key Takeaways
🌟China’s Soft Power in the Global Stage
🌟Developing China’s Soft Power in the Middle East
🌟Culture Familiarity between China and the Middle East
🌟The Outcome of People to People Connections of China in the Middle East
🌟Opportunities of Arabs on studying in Mainland China during Pre-COVID
🌟China’s Image to the people of Middle East
🌟China’s Soft Power against some Major Countries in Asia
🌟China’s development of Soft Power within and beyond borders
🌟Future Trends in development the China-Middle East relationship
📌Quote Takeaways
“Arab students who studied in China and works in China or in a Chinese companies tends to have positive views for China during the eruption of the COVID pandemic” -Shaojin
📌Speakers of this Episode
🎙️Jonathan Fulton | Profile | Linkedin | Twitter
nonresident senior fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
🎙️Shaojin Chai | Profile | Linkedin
Assistant Professor, Specialization: International Studies Modern Chinese History and Politics Political Science
📌Time Stamp
⏲️[00:00] Introduction
⏲️[02:21] China’s Soft Power in the Global Stage
⏲️[06:29] Developing China’s Soft Power in the Middle East
⏲️[13:01] Familiarity of Cultures between China and the Middle East
⏲️[17:33] The Outcome of People to People Bonds of China in the Middle East
⏲️[23:09] Opportunities of Arabs in studying in China during the Pre-COVID
⏲️[27:54] People to people connections during the Pandemic
⏲️[31:47] China’s positive image across Middle East
⏲️[36:21] China’s Soft Power versus other Asian Countries
⏲️[42:41] China’s Cultural products beyond borders
⏲️[44:57] Future Trends in driving the China-Middle East relationship
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Chinese migration to the Middle East is one of the most important aspects of China's presence in the area. Increased migration in recent decades has aided in the development of China-Gulf ties, with the UAE being one of the nations with a significant Chinese population. In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Yuting Wang, a professor of sociology at the American University of Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates,. She's lived in the UAE for over a decade and has a fantastic book titled Chinese in Dubai, Money, Pride, and Soul Searching, which she released in 2020. She will speak on the influence of Chinese communities in the UAE, and the social relationships between Chinese and locals.
📌Key Takeaways
🌟The History and Presence of Chinese Community in Dubai
🌟The Reason why Chinese are Migrating to Middle East
🌟The increase Presence of Chinese Companies in Middle East
🌟The Challenges of Chinese migrants in the Region
🌟The New Opportunities surrounding within the Chinese Communities in the Region
🌟The Impact of Religious Relationship of Muslim Communities and Chinese Communities for China and the Gulf Countries
🌟Some Takeaways on the growing presence of Chinese in the UAE and Gulf Region
📌Quote Takeaways
“The objective of Chinese migrants is to find markets with great potential, and the Gulf region offers excellent economic chances, which is why Chinese migrants flock to the Middle East.”
-Yuting
📌Book Mentioned in the Episode
✔️Chinese in Dubai Money, Pride, and Soul-Searching
Amazon | ResearchGate | politics and prose
✔️Familiar Strangers: A History of Muslims in Northwest China
Jstor | Univ of Washington Press | ResearchWork Archives
📌Speakers of this Episode
🎙️Jonathan Fulton | Profile | Linkedin | Twitter
nonresident senior fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
🎙️Dr. Yuting Wang | Profile | Linkedin
Professor of Sociology, Interim Head, Department of International Studies
📌Time Stamp
⏲️[00:00] intro
⏲️[02:27] The Presence of Chinese Community in Dubai
⏲️[10:53] The Reason of Chinese Migration
⏲️[15:23] Increasing numbers of Chinese Companies
⏲️[19:39] Challenges of Chinese People
⏲️[25:05] Opportunities within the community
⏲️[31:31] Muslim and Chinese relationship
⏲️[35:04] Perspective of Emiratis to Chinese Communities
⏲️[39:23] The Takeaways of Our Guest
⏲️[42:18] Conclusion
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China has been extending its footprint in the Middle East through the BRI (Belt and Road Initiative) during the last decade, affecting the region's economy, politics, and even security. Despite the fact that China imports oil from Saudi Arabia, Iran has gained China's attention due to its strategic relevance for the Belt and Road Initiative. In This podcast, We are joined by Professor Anoush Ehteshami, A professor in Durham University, who is an expert on the China-Iran Relationship, and share to us what is the importance of China-Iran partnership.
📌Key Takeaways
🌟What do the People of Iran says about China
🌟Iran-China Diplomatic Relationship Through the Decades
🌟China’s Goal on Iran, and on the Global Economy
📌Quote Takeaways
“On one level, you may be concerned about China's developing financial ties with your Arab friends. Because Iran is broke, any monetization of Chinese-Iranian relations is unlikely.” - Anoush
📌Special Terms Mentioned in The Episode
✔️JCPOA - The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action
✔️SCO - Shanghai Cooperation Organization
✔️BRI - Belt and Road Initiative
✔️GCC Countries - Gulf Cooperation Council
📌Book Mentioned in the Episode
✔️Defending Iran, From Revolutionary Guards to Ballistic Missiles
📌Guests of this Episode
🎙️Jonathan Fulton | Profile | Linkedin | Twitter
nonresident senior fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi
🎙️Anoush Ehteshami | Profile | Linkedin | Twitter
Professor of international relations at Durham University. Director of the Sheikh Nasser Al Mohammed Al-Sabah program in international relations, regional politics and security. Director of the Institute for Middle Eastern & Islamic Studies (IMEIS) at Durham
📌Time Stamp
⏲️[00:00] Introduction
⏲️[03:20] Iran's perspective on China
⏲️[10:26] Politics and Diplomatic Relationship of Iran and China
⏲️[21:03] China’s Interest in Iran and the Middle East
⏲️[33:21] China’s goal in the global economy
⏲️[41:40] Conclusion
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Welcome to the China-MENA Podcast. This show is produced by Atlantic Council thanks to generous support from the US State Department. The China-MENA Podcast is a monthly program that goes beyond the headlines to provide a deeper look at engagement between China and countries in the Middle East – North Africa and give our listeners a better understanding of an important emerging geopolitical shift.