The Honest EP Podcast: Recent Episodes
Archie Richards and Andrew Daubney
A podcast for healthcare professionals and the wider community, Allied Health Business Owner Andrew and Exercise Physiologist Archie explore diverse ideas in health, ask some hard questions and have some honest conversations.
We chat about tips for starting in private practice well.
Specifically on how to set yourself up with a supportive environment and have your expectations match that of your employer.
The last thing you want is for you and your boss to have a huge discrepancy in your expectations of each other. Only this happens too often.
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We chat about the stages of business in allied health.
Andrew's advice for growing from a sole trader to a team, doubling revenue, finding time in your week as an owner and delegating tasks.
Great lessons for businesses at any stage.
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Andrew talks about the top things that he would do if he was to start a clinic from scratch today.
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Top priorities before opening
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What softwares and services he would use
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How he would build, market and network
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What he would prioritise as focuses as a small business
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We talk about Vinh Giang's 5 vocal foundations for improving verbal communication. These foundations allow you to show how good of a clinician you actually are.
They help improve:
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Your presentation skills to groups
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The effectiveness of your education
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Your trust and rapport building
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Your own confidence with public speaking
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The overall clarity of everything you say
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We chat about Radical Candor. A communication and feedback framework by Kim Scott. How it changed our culture and our team.
How it impacts all of our conversations, team days, mentoring sessions and more.
How you can implement it and why you should.
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We chat about Andrew's recent move to Perth with his family.
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How he made the decision
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How long he planned for
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Main steps in planning
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Lessons and mistakes from his mentors on making the move
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The most important changes he made
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How to make it work long term
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We're joined by Jasper Lee! Rebound EP, student supervisor at Sydney Uni and all round okay bloke.
Topics:
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Nocebic language is everywhere
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What the hell is an EP
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A bunch more
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Andrew and I talk goods and bads of having templated programs and cookie-cutter prescription in healthcare and exercise. We also have a pretty strong beer. Listen to us slowly go more and more down weird rabbit holes as we go.
It finishes with Andrew completely losing the plot.
Topics:
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Pros and cons of templated programs and why they exist
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How to squeeze value in
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Where the value is missed in healthcare
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Where the real value is in healthcare
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A very strong Grifter West Coast IPA
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We've run clinical team meetings weekly for the last 7 years. So we've run plenty of shit ones, a good amount of good ones and we're getting better at running less shit ones and more good ones. So here's what we've learnt.
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We discuss a talk from Nick Schuster from The Ultimate Physio on how to earn $150k as a physio. Some pretty big numbers being thrown around, we know... so we break it down and put it into perspective of what it would look like and how you would do it realistically.
The presentation is actually a good watch just to see the numbers and a bunch of proper actionable steps and moves which are very logical so plenty to learn for any practitioner working in private practice.
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We go completely off topic and start talking about Andrew's earlier business days, supporting team, having friendships and close relationships with team, why we think it's good and more.
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We chat about our experience and main takeaways from the Clinic Mastery Conference in Melbourne in early April. It was an incredible weekend with lots of great learnings.
Topics:
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AN EP JOB OPPORTUNITY
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Algorithm Brewing Pale Ale
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Networking
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Recruitment
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More more learnings
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We chat with Matthew Wall, Exercise physiologist with a post grad in mental health and psychotherapy, currently working in an acute mental health hospital. Matt has an incredible way of talking through tough conversations and communicating in ways that blew our minds.
There are definitely some great nuggets of information to takeaway that can be implemented immediately from this one.
Topics:
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3 different drinks
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Matt's EP story and post grad
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Helping within your scope with mental health
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Communicating during tough moments
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What to say, how to say it and when to say it
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We chat about how we run our mentoring sessions with team.
Topics:
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How we used to run it and what we learnt
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What tools we use
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What questions we ask
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What we spend our time on
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Are their boundaries?
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We chat about that itchy feeling people get when they've been working for about 2 years in a role. We see it all the time in healthcare, people feeling less than 100% in their workplace and wanting something new or wanting a change in career.
Topics covered:
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A Your Mates Brewing Larry Pale Ale
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Reasons why people might feel like this
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Questions to ask yourself if you are feeling like this
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Conversations you can have with friends/mentors/managers
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Options available to you
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How to help people feeling like this
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Andrew asks Archie about his career so far as an EP in a private practice.
Topics covered:
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How it progressed
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How the role changed
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The best parts and the worst parts
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The lessons and advice for others
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We continue our chat with Luke Kane, CEO and Founder of MTP Health in Sydney.
We discuss:
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Mindset for becoming great clinicians
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CPD Learnings
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Career pathways
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Communication
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Lessons from two great healthcare business owners
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We chat with Luke Kane, Founder and CEO of MTP Health in St Leonards.
We could have chatted for hours with Luke, so we did!
Part 2 will be out next Monday.
We cover:
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4 Pines Hazy Pale
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Story of MTP Health + lessons from growing a healthcare business
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Risks, learnings and successes along the way
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Training team
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Focuses for progressing your career
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We chat about how we manage the end of year fatigue that hits us in healthcare and work in general and what its like from a business and a practitioners point of view.
Topics Covered:
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Our experiences of end of year fatigue
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How we have changed what we do to manage
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Recommendations for businesses preparing for the end of a year
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Recommendations for practitioners at the end of a year
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A beer from somewhere
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The biggest mistakes we've made in healthcare and what we've learned from them. Everyone makes mistakes as practitioners, mentors and as business owners, and it's a necessary part of growing. Here's hoping that listening to some of ours helps you out as well.
Topics discussed:
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Early career mistakes as practitioners and what we'd do differently
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Mistakes in trying to grow
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Mentoring mistakes and learnings
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Mistakes in running a business
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A just ok GOAT lager
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A bad Tony Robbins impression
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A couple weeks after doing our whole team retreat, we reflect on running team days and retreats.
Topics:
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4 Pines Hazy Pale Ale
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Are team days worth it, how do I justify closing the clinic?
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Are retreats worth it
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What has worked for us
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What hasn't worked for us
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Good topics and shit topics
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We talk sales in healthcare. What selling your service, providing your recommendation, understanding value.
Topics covered:
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A Mid strength lager
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Andrew's story of learning how to sell his service
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Understanding ethical sales
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Why your mindset about money is important
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Providing your best recommendation
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We chat with Meredith Woolsey! Owner and EP @ Move to Live Ex Phys in Adelaide.
Topics covered:
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A Bilpin alcoholic and non-alcoholic cider
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The trials and tribulations of building a healthcare clinic and team
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Feasibility of group classes
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Not being a dick in healthcare
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Part 2 of our conversation with Sara Woodroffe from Simply Stronger in Melbourne!
We chat:
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Dainton Double Black IPA
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Why your body language matters as a practitioner
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Navigating the rebooking conversation
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Mindset in rebooking
What are your thoughts?
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We sit down with the Sara Woodroffe, Director of Simply Stronger in Melbourne for two parts!
Topics covered in Part 1:
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Deeds Brewing Ginger Lime Gose
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What Sara's learnt from visiting EP clinics across the country
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Is 'Exercise Physiologist' a confusing term?
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Nocebic language with clients
Part 2 coming next week! Follow us @thehonestEP on instagram for updates
We finish our conversation with exercise physiologist Sam Murphy on how she effectively built a referral network in the cancer space.
Topics covered:
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Sam's steps in building her referral network
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Mindset and aims for when meeting people
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We chat with Exercise Physiologist Sam Murphy over a ginger beer on HEAPS of topics.
Covering:
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Brookvale Union Ginger Beer
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Why running student placements is amazing
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Giving and receiving constructive feedback effectively
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Reviewing her takeaways from Daniel Pink's book 'Drive'
Part 2 on Sam's journey building a special interest network will be out next week!
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We sit down with a beer and chat through SIRA's new factsheet on treating low back pain within the workcover setting.
We cover:
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A Stone and Wood Hazy Pale Ale
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Breaking down the PDF
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What did they get right?
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What didn't they get right?
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Filling in the gaps
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Andrew and Archie have a beer and breakdown where all the dollars of a healhcare consultation go.
Topics discussed:
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Young Henry's Hazy Pale Ale
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Breakdown of a $100 consult in a private clinic
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How to value yourself as a clinician
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Should we charge more or less in private health?
Andrew and Archie dig into networking within your own profession and how to ACTUALLY build rapport early.
Topics covered:
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Three Tassie Craft Beers
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Why you should be networking with your own profession
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Secrets to natural communication and early rapport building skills
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Part 2 of our conversation over a wine with Ryan Hebron, from Longevity Exercise physiology and the GWS Giants.
Topics covered:
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Career progression
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Inductions
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Finding mentors and advice
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Reaching out to other AHPs
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Some social media critiquing
Andrew and Archie have a wine with Ryan Hebron, Exercise Physiologist at Longevity Exercise Physiology and GWS Giants Reserves Captain.
Topics discussed:
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A red wine
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Learnings from 2 years in private practice
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Mindset for growing as a clinician
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A BONUS EPISODE with Sara Woodroffe from Simply Stronger in Melbourne.
Topics Covered:
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To pant or not to pant
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Another way to think about it
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Andrew and Archie sit down for part 2 with Sara Woodroffe from Simply Stronger in Melbourne. She's an EP and business owner with 15+ years of experience.
Topics covered:
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another beer from Bright Brewing
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Lessons from opening a EP practice
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Managing team and business during Covid
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How schemes differ state to state
ONE MORE PART COMING SOON
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Andrew and Archie sit down with Sara Woodroffe from Simply Stronger in Melbourne. Sara is an EP with 15+ years of experience in the industry and also has incredible taste in beers.
Topics covered in Part 1:
- How university courses have changed
- Networking lessons
- Mindset for building a network
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Andrew and Archie are joined for part 1 of 3 with Michael Rizk.
Mick is a physiotherapist by trade, now hosting the Physio Explained Podcast for Physio Network, running the imoveu Facebook group, directing at imove Physiotherapy and mentoring business owners with Clinic Mastery.
He's a wealth of knowledge in the allied healthcare space and a great talker so enjoy the series!
Topics covered:
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Perspectives on running a healthcare business
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What the margins are like
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Valuing team and navigating pay
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Culture and team growth
Andrew and Archie are joined for part 2 of 3 with Michael Rizk.
Mick is a physiotherapist by trade, now hosting the Physio Explained Podcast for Physio Network, running the imoveu Facebook group, directing at imove Physiotherapy and mentoring business owners with Clinic Mastery.
He's a wealth of knowledge in the allied healthcare space and a great talker so enjoy the series!
Topics covered:
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What Mick teaches his new grad physios
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How to succeed early in private practice
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What Mick looks for when hiring
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Filtering social media shit
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Interpreting information on social media
Andrew and Archie are joined for part 1 of 3 with Michael Rizk.
Mick is a physiotherapist by trade, now hosting the Physio Explained Podcast for Physio Network, running the imoveu Facebook group, directing at imove Physiotherapy and mentoring business owners with Clinic Mastery.
He's a wealth of knowledge in the allied healthcare space and a great talker so enjoy the series!
Topics covered:
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a Balter that isn't the XPA
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Sifting through the APA statement through a physio's lens
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Talking passive and active therapy
Andrew and Archie sit down with Jo Duncan-Nagy for part 2 of working with different client behaviours.
Topics covered:
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Understanding autistic characteristics, sensitivities and stimming
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How to react and manage a situation as a clinician
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Andrew and Archie have a rant about the recent APA statement on the differences between physiotherapists and exercise physiologists document.
Topics covered:
- A Gage Roads Coastal Lager
- A big rant
- Do we need to diagnose before treating?
- Regulation what?
- ESSA’s reply
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Andrew and Archie sit down with Daniel Arbilla, Exercise Physiologist, clinical educator and mentor to chat about some interesting topics.
Topics covered:
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Two different Balters
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A brief history of Dan
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Ideal CPD plan for new grads
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The value of early external mentoring
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Limitations of the BPS Framework
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WTF is epistemology
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Would we practice differently if we had a different title
Andrew and Archie chat with Jo Duncan-Nagy the EP from Rebound on dealing with difficult client conversations.
Topics covered:
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A surprisingly light White Rabbit Dark Ale
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Challenging conversations or topics that come up
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Knowing what should be called out
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Steps in Navigating a difficult conversation
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Setting boundaries with clients, friendships etc
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Andrew and Archie sit down for part 2 with Ryan Hebron; EP, AFL reserves captain, book reading master. This man really has his head screwed on when it comes to working in healthcare, personal and professional development and understanding what's really important for career longevity, no pun intended ;)
Andrew and Archie sit down for a wine with Ryan Hebron. Ryan is 2 years out as an EP and also the captain of the GWS Giants reserves footy club. We have 2 parts coming your way over the next 2 Mondays.
Topics covered:
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A $9 cheap shiraz
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Ryan's career journey balancing footy and EP
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Leadership and management in healthcare
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Overcoming challenges, self-solving skills and finding mentors
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A shit tonne of books
Andrew and Archie discuss the scope of practice of EPs and physical therapists.
Topics discussed:
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2 Victorian beers: The Heart Pale Ale and the Mind Ya Head non-alc XPA from Hop Nation Brewing
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ESSA's scope of practice document
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SIRA's new proposed guidelines for lower back pain management
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Nutrition
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Hands on therapy and diagnosis
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Psychological therapy and psychological informed practice
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Andrew and Archie discuss artificial intelligence and how it's making its way into the healthcare industry.
Topics Discussed:
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Molly Rose Brewing Co. Crowd Goes Mild Nitro Beer
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Bright Brewing Black Diamond Black IPA
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Where we are currently using Ai
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Where we want to implement it
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How it could change long term practice
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Ethics of Ai
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Andrew and Archie discuss career progression in allied health. covering money, specialising, being bored, networking, and another beer from BentSpoke in Canberra.
Topics covered:
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BentSpoke Sproket IPA
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Desire statements and fulfilment
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Renumeration and money talk
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What else leads to fulfilment; specialising, networking, role changes, workplaces, relationships
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New episode every fortnight
Andrew and Archie chat with Jono Petrohilos, director of Fitness Education Online and host of The Successful EP Podcast.
Topics covered:
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Jono's professional journey
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Building Retention and Community
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Why sales isn't dirty
Andrew and Archie have the admins from exercise_physiology_memes on the podcast to chat memes, their relevance to healthcare and a range of interesting rabbit holes. Part 2 of 2.
Topics covered:
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Floppy bois vs the evidence
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Templated programs
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Is ai taking over, where's our value?
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Andrew and Archie have the admins from exercise_physiology_memes on the podcast to chat memes, their relevance to healthcare and a range of interesting rabbit holes. Part 1 of 2.
Topics covered:
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A Mountain Culture Moon Dust Stout
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A review of exercise physiology memes
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Advice for students
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The EP job market
Look out for Part 2 coming next Monday!
Andrew and Archie discuss benefits and difficulties of being both introverts and extroverts as healthcare professionals.
Topics covered:
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Are Andrew and Archie introverts or extroverts?
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How has that impacted journeys in allied health
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How to maximise your natural qualities and tendencies
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How to manage and turn the downsides into helpful traits
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An interesting Akasha Super Chill Pacific Ale
Andrew and Archie chat about working with GPs, trying to build relationships with them and if its worth the effort.
Topics:
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Bridge Road Brewers IPA
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Andrew's experience with GPs over the past 12 years
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How to connect with GPs
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Is it worth connecting with GPs
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What to do with referrals
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Andrew and Archie discuss the journey of starting an allied health practice. Andrew shares his experience of going through the stages of starting his own Allied health clinic and mentoring other business owners.
Topics covered:
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The Grifter Australian Pale Ale
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The start of Andrew's business journey
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Discussion on why should, when should, when wouldn't, why wouldn't someone start a business
P.S. Sorry for the gym noises in the background, common man podcast studio
Link to our New Grad Webinar:
https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/rebound-health-ep-new-grad-information-night-tickets-633039918437
Andrew and Archie talk about presenting at the ESSA Innovation and Practice Forum last weekend.
Topics covered:
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Bent Spoke Crankshaft IPA
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Highlights from the conference in the Sunshine Coast
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What we'd like to see next time
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How we prepared to present at the forum
Andrew and Archie have a beer with Max Loomes, who has recently completed his master of clinical psychology at UTS. His thesis was on trauma, moral and psychological injury within the police force.
We discuss:
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Australian Wild Ale
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What is trauma informed practice
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Working with trauma, moral and psychological injury within physical therapies
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Trauma within the WorkCover setting
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Insta: archie.richards.ep , andrew.daubney.ep
LinkedIn: Archie Richards , Andrew Daubney
Andrew and Archie discuss continuing professional development as Exercise Physiologists and as allied health in general.
Topics discussed:
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Personal journeys with CPD
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How to identify good courses and less good courses
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Other good sources of professional development
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Understanding how CPD points work
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A review of the Moon Dog Old Mate Pale Ale
Andrew and Archie provide their perspective and opinions on why Exercise Physiologists are doing Physiotherapy Master degrees and why 80% of physios are leaving by the age of 30.
Topics covered:
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Why EPs are leaving EP for physio
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Why people are leaving allied health in general
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How to create meaningful long lasting careers in allied health and EP
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Do employers care about your extra qualifications
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How good is Balter XPA
Andrew and Archie sit down with Jasper Lee, an exercise physiologist who's been working for 6 months in private practice.
Topics covered:
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Difference between uni EP and real life EP
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Hardships and challenges as a new practitioner
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Are EPs glorified PTs?
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A little rant about what separates allied health professionals from each other
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Review of the Akasha Cloud 9 Hazy IPA
Andrew and Archie discuss the different pay models most commonly used in allied health.
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Andrew and Archie's experience and biases
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Potential differences in income, flexibility, culture, professional development
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Does it matter?
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What else to consider
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Hawke's Patio Ale
Andrew and Archie chat with Exercise Physiologist at Rebound Health Josephine Duncan-Nagy.
Topics covered:
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What happens to the body (generally) with a COVID-19 infection
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When should you return to exercise
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What does rest and graded activity look like
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What risks should I be aware of and look out for
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How good is the beer Pacifico
Andrew chats with Archie about his young leadership journey at Rebound. Covering questions and topics including:
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The journey as an EP
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Lessons learnt along the way
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Challenges of supporting a team
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Tips on developing skills
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A good beer from Akosha Brewery
Andrew chats about how he build a solid referrer network over the past 10 years running a private clinic.
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A good pale ale from Mountain Culture Brewing Company
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Successful and unsuccessful stories of trying to connect with referrers
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The most important factors in creating a positive relationship
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Lessons about GP meetings, other allied health, your own profession
Andrew talks about how he bounced back straight from having Covid into competing in a half marathon a week later.
A new beer is also very much enjoyed.
Andrew and Archie discuss 5 tips for people starting in private practice healthcare. Whether people are new graduates just entering the workforce, transitioning from a different sector or moving to a new practice the tips are relevant for a range of professions.
Also included: A review of the Balter Eazy Hazy ale.
Andrew and Archie sit down and have a beer and a ginger beer with Becca Roberts, Mental Health Occupational Therapist and previously working with people who were 'not guilty by reason of mental impairment' in a forensic hospital and as a health clinician in a prison.
We cover heaps of topics including:
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A review of Brookvale Union Ginger Beer and Little Creatures Pale Ale
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Becca's OT journey from the UK to Australia
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Working with people with psychosis in forensic hospitals
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Working in a prison during COVID lockdown
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Transitioning to private practice
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Tips for general self care
Andrew and Archie have a beer with one of their work colleagues, Hannah, who is an exercise physiologist and has also recently been diagnosed with cancer.
Hannah shares her story and openly answers every question you really want the answer to, including:
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Sh*t you can't ask / say to someone with cancer
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What it's like being a young health professional with a cancer diagnosis
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All the questions you get asked a million times
We also discuss:
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What it's like as a business owner with an employee with cancer
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Why anyone would want to drink a pickle beer
Andrew and Archie have a beer with Alan English, an exercise physiology student finishing up his degree. Alan is also a personal trainer, strength and conditioning coach with experience with the Canterbury Bulldogs U20s and a purveyor of Guinness.
The boys cover:
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Experience doing exercise physiology at university
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How personal training experience can be beneficial
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University during a pandemic
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Tips for students and supervisors in running good placements
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Why Guinness isn't actually that bad
Andrew and Archie talk through what allied health employers often look for in CVs and interviews and give some tips on how to stand out in the process.
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A review of a Mountain Culture Hazy IPA
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How to make your CV stand out
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What employers look for on a CV
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What to expect in an interview
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What to prep for in an interview
Andrew and Archie have an honest discussion about value in allied health and cover interesting points including:
- Trying to still provide value in shorter sessions
- Providing value in bulk billed settings
- Valuing new grad/newer practitioners vs more experienced
- Valuing service in different schemes
- Reviewing the Hawaiian Hazy Pale Ale
Andrew and Archie take strong standpoints in a debate on over servicing in private practice. The boys try to flesh out all the reasons on both sides of the argument and leave some final thoughts on the issue.
There's also a little beer review!
Andrew and Archie have a beer and discuss what they think a good clinician looks like in practice.
The boys also cover the questions:
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How to become a good clinician
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How businesses measure good clinicians
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Whether it's even possible to become a 'good' clinician
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How good is the Sly Fox session ale
Andrew and Archie chat about a lovely beer and their experiences as mentees and mentors.
The boys then discuss what makes a good and bad mentor, what to look for in a mentor and then where and how to find one.
Andrew and Archie share their experiences and have an honest discussion about why Workcover sucks, most of the time.
Coming from the perspective of treatment providers, the boys chat about how the structure and incentives for each party can cause not ideal situations for everyone involved.
Andrew and Archie discuss what they think university didn't prepare themselves, exercise physiologists and other healthcare professionals for heading into the workforce.
Covering business, clinical and communication skills, the boys give their honest opinions on the topic and some key takeaways.