You can't go through life without experiencing loss and trauma the question is how do we deal and live with the grief and pain? Join Nathalie Himmelrich, grief expert and author, talking to people who have experienced grief and trauma first-hand. If you want to be inspired by others who traveled through their grief and trauma, found that healing is possible, and came out the other end knowing they can survive and thrive in life after loss. For more info: www.nathaliehimmelrich.com
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On the 21st of June 2026, this podcast turns four years old. In this anniversary episode, I step away from the interview format to speak directly to the people who have made this show what it is: the guests who gave their time and their honesty, and the listeners who showed up week after week — in the hardest seasons of their lives — and kept listening.
This episode is a thank-you, a reflection, and a request. I talk about what four years of conversations about grief and trauma have taught me, what I have witnessed in the impact these conversations have had on listeners, and what I am asking of this community as we move into year five.
If this podcast has ever helped you — even once — this episode is for you. And if you know someone who is grieving, please share it with them.
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
4th anniversary
02:26 Part 1: The guests
05:10 Part 2: What I have witnessed in these conversations
07:44 Part 3: What this has made possible for listeners
10:50 Part 4: A request
12:15 Please leave a review
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In this final mini-series episode, I reveal and revisit number one — the most listened-to episode in the podcast’s history: my conversation with Turiya Hanover on the loss of significant partners in life.
Turiya is the co-founder of Path Retreats and the Path of Love process, a therapist and course leader with over five decades of experience. In Episode 4, she speaks from inside fresh grief — the recent loss of her beloved partner Maja — while also bringing the hard-won wisdom of having lost her husband Welf suddenly and unexpectedly in 1981. And from inside that grief, she shares what came to her: Love Is All. The love does not go. The separation is real, but love overcomes it.
This is the conversation that launched a community. Four years and over 180 episodes later, it is still the one listeners return to most.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 4 — Turiya Hanover | The Loss of Significant Partners in Life
Also listen to: E26 — Grief in the First Year and Coming Out of Trauma | E64 — Grief, Trauma, Essence, Connection and Safety
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series
02:50 Top 10 - Number 1
03:17 About Turiya Hanover
04:12 Turiya's biography
Why this episode is special to me
09:00 Why is this episode at Number 1?
10:37 Why it resonated with listeners
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In this mini-series episode, I revisit number two in the top ten most listened-to episodes: Episode 1 — the very first conversation I ever recorded for this podcast — with Rachel Tenpenny on why and how healing is possible after loss.
Rachel’s twin daughters, Aubrey and Ellie, were born in 2008 and died a few days after their birth. In the years that followed, she made a promise to them: to learn how to heal after loss and share what she learned. She is a grief expert, emotional well-being specialist, and life-after-loss coach who believes — with hard-won certainty — that grief is not forever, and that healing is a choice available to anyone willing to make it.
This is where the podcast began. Four years and over 180 episodes later, it remains one of the most listened-to conversations in the show’s history.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 1 — Rachel Tenpenny | Why and How Healing Is Possible
Also listen to: E50 — Cultivating Healing Versus Coping Mechanism | E88 — Grieving Parents 10 Years Later
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series
02:50 Top 10 - Number 2
03:17 About Rachel Tennpenny McGonigle
04:27 Grief is not forever
06:23 What resonated with me
07:20 Why it resonated with listeners
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In this mini-series episode, I revisit number three in the top ten most listened-to episodes: my conversation with Deb Dana, clinician, consultant, author, and the world’s leading translator of Polyvagal Theory — on loss, the nervous system, and what it means to trust your body through grief.
Deb brings both her professional expertise and something deeply personal to this conversation: the recent death of her husband Bob, and her own experience of navigating grief through the Polyvagal lens she has spent years teaching. We explore what the autonomic nervous system actually does in grief, why grief is a physiological experience and not only a psychological one, and how glimmers — micro-moments of safety and connection — can serve as anchors even in the heaviest loss.
This is one of the most honest and grounded conversations in the podcast’s history.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 85 — Deb Dana | Loss Through the Lens of Polyvagal Theory
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series
02:50 Top 10 - Number 3
03:24 About Deb Dana
04:58 Polyvagal Theory and grief
06:16 Glimmers and grief
06:57 What resonated with me
07:55 Why it resonated with listeners
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In this mini series episode, I revisit number four in the top ten most listened-to episodes: my third conversation with Meghan Riordan Jarvis — psychotherapist, podcast host, TEDx speaker, and author — on the essential questions about grief, loss and trauma.
Meghan joins me for the third time, and this conversation goes deepest. We explore the intersection of grief and trauma, what neuroscience and bioscience tell us about what grief actually does to the body and brain, and the questions that every griever asks but rarely finds answered clearly. Meghan’s book Can Anyone Tell Me? Essential Questions About Grief and Loss is the springboard — and it is the resource I wish every griever had access to.
Two professionals, one conversation, and the questions that matter most.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 95 — Meghan Riordan Jarvis | The Essential Questions About Grief, Loss and Trauma
Also listen to: E41 — How a Therapist Deals With Grief and Trauma | E49 — Review of Trauma and Grief Modalities
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series
02:50 Top 10 - Number 4
03:45 About Meghan Riordan Jarvis
04:27 Can anyone tell me?
06:06 Essential questions about grief
06:47 What resonated with me
07:35 Why it resonated with listeners
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In this mini-series episode, I revisit number five in the top ten most listened-to episodes: my double-episode conversation with James Fish Gill — heart coach, yoga teacher, and transformational facilitator from Australia — on bringing loving awareness to pain, grief, and longing.
Fish introduces the concept of conscious communication and applies it to grief: rather than dismissing, fixing, or minimising pain, what if we simply witnessed it — with honesty, with love, and without the need for it to be different? In Episodes 51 and 52, he walks through his own grief journey using this approach, moving through acknowledgement, emotional experience, and the field of yearning at the heart of loss.
This is one of the most tender and practically transformative conversations in the podcast’s history. Listen to both parts together.
Part 1: Episode 51 — James Fish Gill | Bringing Loving Awareness to Your Pain (Part 1)
Part 2: Episode 52 — James Fish Gill | Bringing Loving Awareness to Your Pain (Part 2)
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series
02:50 Top 10 - Number 5
03:16 About James Fish Gill
04:07 How to fall in Love with Humanity
04:38 Bringing loving awareness to our pain
05:56 Permission to feel anything
06:16 What resonated with me
06:52 Why it resonated with listeners
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In this mini-series episode, I revisit number six in the top ten most listened-to episodes: my conversation with Laney Rosenzweig, the developer of Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART) — an evidence-based, eye movement therapy that can resolve the symptoms of PTSD, grief, depression, anxiety, and more, often in just one to three sessions.
Laney is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist with over three decades of experience and the founder of the Rosenzweig Center for Rapid Recovery, which has trained over 8,000 clinicians worldwide. In this conversation, we explore how ART works, why it is different from EMDR, and why the results can sound too good to be true — until you understand the science behind them.
If you have been carrying grief or trauma and feel stuck, this episode offers a genuinely different perspective on what healing can look like.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 45 — Laney Rosenzweig | How Trauma Can Be Resolved in Just One Session With ART, and you can find all of Laney's information, including the links to her website, on the same link.
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series
02:50 Top 10 - Number 6
03:10 About Laney Rosenzweig
03:22 ART - Accelerated Resolution Therapy
04:47 Trauma resolved in just one session?!
05:15 What is ART?
06:18 What resonated with me
07:18 Why it resonated with listeners
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In this mini-series episode, I revisit number seven in the top ten most listened-to episodes: my third conversation with Turiya Hanover — co-founder of Path Retreats and the Path of Love process, therapist, and grief survivor — on the deep connection between grief, trauma, essence, connection, and safety.
Turiya first appeared on this podcast in Episode 4, which became one of the most downloaded episodes in the show’s history. In Episode 64, we go furthest: into what grief does to the self at the level of essence, what trauma does to our capacity for safety, and what becomes possible when we are held well enough to grieve fully.
If you are drawn to a deeper, somatic and spiritual exploration of grief and trauma, this conversation is for you.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 64 — Turiya Hanover | Grief, Trauma, Essence, Connection and Safety, and you can find all of Turiya's information, including the links to her website, on the same link.
Also listen to: Episode 4 — The Loss of Significant Partners in Life | Episode 26 — Grief in the First Year and Coming Out of Trauma
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series
02:50 Top 10 - Number 7
03:14 About Turiya Hanover
06:20 What resonated with me
07:36 Why it resonated with listeners
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Content note: This episode discusses suicide, intimate partner abuse, and traumatic loss.
In this mini-series episode, I revisit number eight in the top ten most listened-to episodes: my conversation with Shavaun Scott, a psychotherapist and author who shares the story of her husband’s revenge suicide — an act carried out on the very day she asked for a divorce, after 17 years in an abusive relationship.
Shavaun brings nearly 35 years of clinical experience and 20 years of personal reflection to a conversation about complicated grief, the moral injuries of suicide, the psychological toll of intimate partner abuse, and what healing actually looks like over time. Her memoir, Nightbird, explores this journey in full.
This is one of the most powerful and honest conversations in the podcast’s history.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 160 — Shavaun Scott | Revisiting Loss and Trauma 20 Years After a Revenge Suicide, and you can find all of Shavaun's information, including the links to her book and her website, on the same link.
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00:00 Welcome
00:49 Today's episode
01:27 Welcome to the Mini Series
02:50 Top 10 - Number 8
03:29 About Shavaun Scott
04:25 Husband's revenge suicide
06:43 What resonated with me
07:27 Why it resonated with listeners
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In this mini-series episode, I revisit number nine in the top ten most listened-to episodes of this podcast: my conversation with David Kessler on the question that almost every grieving person asks — how long does grief last?
David Kessler is one of the world’s foremost experts on grief and loss, the author of six books, including Finding Meaning: The Sixth Stage of Grief, and the founder of grief.com. He co-authored two books with Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, and his work has reached millions of people across the globe. In this conversation, we explore the five stages of grief, the sixth stage of meaning, and what healing from grief actually looks like — and does not look like.
If grief has made you wonder whether you will always feel this way, this episode is for you.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 75 — David Kessler | How Long Does Grief Last? and you can find all of David's information, including the links to his website and book, on the same link.
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Chapters:
00:00:00 - Welcome
00:00:49 - Today's episode
00:01:27 - Welcome to the Mini Series
00:02:50 - Top 10 - Number 9
00:02:58 - About David Kessler
00:03:27 - David's publications
00:06:43 - What resonated with me
00:07:23 - Why it resonated with listeners
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In this mini-series episode, I revisit one of the top ten most listened-to episodes of the podcast: my conversation with Stephanie Sarazin on Ambiguous Grief — the grief that arises from losing someone who is still alive.
Stephanie is a writer, researcher, and ambiguous grief guide, and the author of Soulbroken: A Guidebook For Your Journey Through Ambiguous Grief, winner of the 2023 Nautilus Books Gold Award. She shares how her own mid-life trauma led her to define ambiguous grief for the first time: grief triggered by the loss of a loved one who is still living, where hope remains part of the grieving process.
We explore why this form of grief is so rarely named, why so many people feel they don’t have the right to grieve, and what it means to mourn someone who hasn’t died.
Listen to the original episode: Episode 83 — Stephanie Sarazin | Understanding Ambiguous Grief, and you can find all of Stephanie's information, including the links to her website and book, on the same link.
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00:00:00 - Welcome
00:00:49 - Today's episode
00:01:27 - Welcome to the Mini Series
00:02:50 - Top 10 - Number 10
00:03:08 - About Stephanie Sarazin
00:03:29 - Ambiguous Grief
00:04:51 - Stephanie's book Soulbroken
00:06:26 - What resonated with me
00:07:01 - Why it resonated with listeners
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This podcast turns four years old on the 21st of June 2026. To mark the anniversary, I am counting down the ten most listened-to episodes in the show’s history — one mini episode at a time.
In this trailer, I introduce the full countdown and share what to expect from the mini series. Guests include David Kessler, Deb Dana, Meghan Riordan Jarvis, and more.
The countdown starts now.
Full episode archive: nathaliehimmelrich.com/episode-overview-latest-episode-first/
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This is the second of a two-part episode. Check out part 1: 188 What a Death Doula Knows About Grief That Most of Us Don't (1/2) | Sierra Campbell
What does someone who has spent more than three decades sitting with the dying actually know about grief, and what can that teach the rest of us about living?
Today's guest is an elder caregiver, end-of-life doula, and founder of a leading end-of-life education platform. She began working in care at sixteen, opened her own home care services by twenty-one, and has since supported hundreds of people through the final chapter of their lives. As a two-time cancer survivor, she brings both professional expertise and lived experience to one of the most avoided conversations of our time.
In this episode, we cover
Chapters
00:00 Welcome
00:49 Second part episode
02:49 Death is a great teacher
03:44 Letting go or continuous bonds?
08:44 Your wishes for your death
12:51 How not to fix, save or heal
17:48 Medical-assisted death
25:32 Secondary gains in grief
Teaching Death Doulas - What surprises them the most?
Whether you are grieving a loss, supporting someone who is, or simply carrying an unspoken awareness that you are not prepared for what lies ahead, this conversation offers grounding, clarity, and practical perspective.
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An experienced elder caregiver and end-of-life doula, Sierra Campbell is the founder of Choose Nurture. With more than three decades of experience in the field, Sierra is a leading voice in end-of-life reform. She combines her professional background with her personal journey as a cancer survivor to educate and support ageing adults and their loved ones.
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This is the first of a two-part episode. Check out part 2: 189 What a Death Doula Knows About Grief That Most of Us Don't (2/2) | Sierra Campbell
What does someone who has spent more than three decades sitting with the dying actually know about grief, and what can that teach the rest of us about living?
Today's guest is an elder caregiver, end-of-life doula, and founder of a leading end-of-life education platform. She began working in care at sixteen, opened her own home care services by twenty-one, and has since supported hundreds of people through the final chapter of their lives. As a two-time cancer survivor, she brings both professional expertise and lived experience to one of the most avoided conversations of our time.
Chapters
00:00 Welcome
03:10 Sierra's life story
07:10 What facing death taught me
08:49 The effect of unresolved generational trauma
10:09 Presence in being with the dying
15:52 When the support we get is not the support we need
24:11 Grief of not being able to be a mother
28:18 What do people grieve most at the end of their life
31:05 Families who are not prepared for a loved one's death
34:17 Anticipatory grief
34:48 Being prepared for someone dying
40:51 Being present when people die
Whether you are grieving a loss, supporting someone who is, or simply carrying an unspoken awareness that you are not prepared for what lies ahead, this conversation offers grounding, clarity, and practical perspective.
About our guest
An experienced elder caregiver and end-of-life doula, Sierra Campbell is the founder of Choose Nurture. With more than three decades of experience in the field, Sierra is a leading voice in end-of-life reform. She combines her professional background with her personal journey as a cancer survivor to educate and support ageing adults and their loved ones.
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This episode is different. Instead of sitting across from a guest, I am the one in the chair.
In this solo episode, I share my own personal timeline of grief, loss, and trauma — and trace how each experience shaped the ones that came after it. From what I learned about grief growing up, through infertility, miscarriage, the death of my daughter A’Mya three days after she was born, the suicide of my mother four and a half months later, a significant trauma in my adult life, separation, and single parenthood — this is the story behind the work.
My intention is not to centre myself. It is to model what I ask of every guest: that your personal story is not separate from how you grieve. It is the lens through which you grieve. Understanding that lens changes everything.
If you are carrying multiple losses, if your grief feels more complicated than you think it should, or if you support someone whose grief seems out of proportion to the immediate loss, this episode is for you.
Free resources mentioned in this episode are available at nathaliehimmelrich.com/free-resources-hub, including the Beginner’s Guide to Dealing with Grief and Trauma.
Rate this podcast five stars if it helps you feel less alone. It takes thirty seconds and helps more grieving and traumatised people find this show when they need it most.
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Nathalie and Amanda go beneath the speaker and the frameworks to the private, unscripted territory of grief.
In this episode, we cover
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Amanda Anderson is a keynote speaker, trauma survivor, and mental health advocate with over 17 years of experience working in NLP, resilience, and real-world mental health. Her credentials are not academic — they are lived. Her brother was murdered. Her sister and father died of terminal illness. She survived a stroke, divorce, and sustained frontline trauma exposure. From that wreckage, she built a body of work that helps high-functioning, resilient people, the ones who have always been "the strong one", stop merely surviving and consciously rebuild something fierce and true.
Her work sits at the intersection of trauma, grief, and identity. Through keynotes and writing, she gives language to the experiences people have been carrying silently for years. She doesn't offer surface-level motivation. She offers permission to stop pretending you were never hurt, and to choose, deliberately, what you build next.
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When someone is visibly grieving, the people around them quickly conclude, usually without adequate evidence. She isn't crying, so she must be coping. He went back to work, so he must be over it. They seem angry, not sad — that can't be grief.
These are presumptions. In Part 3 of this three-part series, Nathalie examines how presumptions about grief operate in real time, in specific moments, and why they cause a different kind of harm from grief myths and preconceptions.
What's covered in this episode
The core distinction across all three episodes
Myths, preconceptions, and presumptions are related, but they operate at different levels and in different moments.
Grief myths exist in the culture: in the language, the rituals, the policies, the media. They are transmitted without any single person deciding to transmit them. Myths are covered in Part 1.
Preconceptions are the individual's internalised version of those myths: what a person has absorbed over a lifetime, and carries into grief before it happens. They shape what someone expects from their own grief. Preconceptions are covered in Part 2.
Presumptions are what happen in a specific moment: a conclusion drawn about someone else's grief, or one's own, without adequate evidence. Unlike myths and preconceptions, presumptions are active and situational. They happen in the room, in the conversation, at the graveside. Presumptions are what this episode covers.
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What happens when an entire nation is traumatised? How does collective grief differ from personal loss, and what does healing actually look like at that scale?
In this episode, I speak with Dr Imke Hansen, trauma therapist, scholar of Eastern European History, and Deputy Director of the human rights organisation Libereco – Partnership for Human Rights. Nathalie and Imke first met in Zürich at a conference on collective grief and trauma with Dr Peter Levine and Thomas Hübl, and this conversation picks up where that encounter left off.
Imke has worked with survivors of war and persecution for over two decades. Since 2014, she has led Libereco's psychosocial support work in Ukraine, supporting people living through one of the most devastating conflicts of our time. She is also a certified Somatic Experiencing Practitioner, a body-based approach to trauma healing developed by Dr Peter Levine.
In this episode, we cover
About today's guest
Dr. Imke Hansen holds a doctorate in Eastern European History and is a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner specialising in trauma-informed mental health and psychosocial support for civil society activists and survivors of captivity and torture. She serves as Deputy Director of Libereco – Partnership for Human Rights, an independent German-Swiss NGO working in Belarus and Ukraine since 2009. She is the author of the comic book I CAN, available in English, Ukrainian, and Russian.
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Before a loss happens, most people already hold a set of beliefs about what grief will look like. These are not myths absorbed from the culture in general — they are something more personal: internalised convictions, absorbed through upbringing, family, religion, and lived experience, that then shape how a person enters and moves through grief.
These are preconceptions. In Part 2 of this three-part series, Nathalie examines the ten most common preconceptions about grief and makes a precise distinction between preconceptions, grief myths, and presumptions that is crucial for understanding why each causes harm differently.
What's covered in this episode
The 10 preconceptions covered
The distinction explained in this episode
A grief myth is a culturally shared false belief, something the culture transmits without adequate evidence. A preconception is personal: it is the individual's internalised version of that myth, often absorbed before they have any direct experience of loss.
Myths can be corrected with information. Preconceptions require something more: recognising that the belief exists, tracing where it came from, and examining whether it still holds in the face of actual experience.
A presumption (covered in Part 3) is different again: it is a real-time assumption made about someone else's grief, in the moment. Preconceptions are formed before. Presumptions are made during or about.
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About this week’s episode What does it look like to live well with grief, not despite it, but through it? Lizzie Pickering has spent over 25 years finding out.
Since the death of her eldest son, Harry, Lizzie has become one of the UK's most experienced and sought-after voices on grief in life and in the workplace. She draws on more than two decades of direct experience: as a carer to Harry, as a long-term team member at Helen & Douglas House (the Oxford children's hospice where Harry died), and through her sustained work with bereaved parents, siblings, and professionals navigating loss.
If you're like me, you will love listening to Lizzie's voice, giving us an insight into her journey over the past 25 years.
About this week’s guestLizzie is a Grief Educator, Author and Film Producer
She offers Grief Guidance to organisations and individuals, educating people about grief and helping them get back to life and work following major losses. Her clients are both UK-based and global. Since the death of her eldest son, Harry, 25 years ago, Lizzie has become passionate about changing the landscape for people who have to face life and work when they are living with grief. Her firm belief is that if grief is faced and worked through gradually, if people are well supported, there is a rich seam of energy to be found from not only surviving it but living well. Lizzie’s book, When Grief Equals Love, Long-term Perspectives on Living with Loss, was published in May 2023 and is available from bookshops, Amazon and Audible.
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Grief myths are everywhere. They show up in condolence cards, in workplace bereavement policies, in the advice given by well-meaning friends and family and, often, inside the grieving person themselves. They feel like common sense. They are not.
In this episode, the first in a three-part series on the beliefs that distort the experience of grief, Nathalie unpacks eight of the most common grief myths: where they come from, why they persist, how they cause harm, and what a more accurate picture of grief actually looks like.
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The 8 Grief Myths
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The myths examined in this episode are part of a broader pattern in which popular culture transmits beliefs about grief, often without anyone intending harm. Nathalie first traced this in her two-part article series using Downton Abbey as a lens for the messages TV and film consistently send about how grief should look:
Downton Abbey Grief Theory — Part 1
Downton Abbey Grief Theory — Part 2
(Note: both articles are hosted on grievingparents.net, Nathalie's Grieving Parents Support Network site.)
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Season 18 begins here.
Nathalie opens the new season by sharing a personal experience — a conversation with a medium that left her with unexpected clarity — and announces that the medium will join her for a recorded episode later this season.
This season brings a mix of solo and guest episodes exploring the preconceptions we carry into grief, the relationship between personal belief and how we process loss and trauma, and stories from guests across Australia, Europe, the UK, and the USA - people who have grieved, people who support others through it, and often both.
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Trauma isn’t only a story in the mind—it’s also physiology, sensation, and nervous system patterning. In this final episode of the Many Faces of Trauma series, we explore how trauma can show up in the body through hyperarousal (fight/flight), hypoarousal (shutdown), stress-related symptoms over time, dissociation, and chronic tension patterns. Using a simple polyvagal-informed lens, we explain how nervous system state can shape sensations and symptoms—and why “I know I’m safe” can coexist with a body that still reacts. We share realistic body-based supports, focusing on small, repeated regulation, completing stress energy, co-regulation, and tracking 5% shifts. The episode ends with a short grounding practice and a supportive closing message to integrate the whole mini-series.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Breath + Stretch + Name”
Check the website for the free resources offered for both those affected by trauma and those supporting them.
I will be back with more guest interviews starting again with Season 18. Stay tuned!
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Dissociation is often misunderstood, but for many people it’s a protective nervous-system strategy—a way the mind and body reduce overwhelm when something feels too much to stay present for. In this intro-level episode, we explore dissociation as a spectrum: from spacing out and going blank to numbness, unreality, time loss, and feeling detached from the body or emotions. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we connect dissociation to shutdown protection, discuss common triggers (conflict, overwhelm, feeling trapped, sensory load), and outline what helps—especially gentle, body-first ways to return without shame. We close with a grounding practice using texture and temperature cues to support a soft “coming back.”
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Texture + Temperature Return”
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What’s next: How Trauma Can Affect the Body
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Complex trauma forms through repeated or prolonged exposure to threat or chronic stress—often in contexts where escape isn’t possible and where relationships or systems meant to provide safety are also part of the problem. In this intro-level episode, we clarify the difference between single-incident PTSD patterns and complex trauma, and we outline how C-PTSD discussions often include PTSD symptoms plus broader impacts on emotion regulation, self-concept, relationships, and agency. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we explore what it means when protection becomes the nervous system's default—and why that’s an adaptation, not a character trait. We end with a short practice that helps you name your state and offer one small supportive need.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Name the State, Offer a Need”
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What’s next: Dissociation: The Mind’s Emergency Exit (Intro-Level)
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When you support someone through trauma—professionally or personally—your nervous system is not a neutral observer. Secondary traumatic stress can create trauma-like symptoms through exposure to others’ distress, while vicarious trauma can gradually shift your beliefs about safety, trust, and meaning. In this episode, we define both terms in plain language, explore why “empathic contagion” happens through co-regulation (polyvagal-informed), and name common signs like sleep disruption, intrusion, irritability, numbness, and saturation. We also cover practical protection strategies: boundaries as care, transitions, shared load, and ventral restoring practices. We close with a short “Return-to-Self Reset” to help you care without carrying.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Return-to-Self Reset”
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What’s next: Complex Trauma & C-PTSD (Intro-Level)
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Community shock happens when a public tragedy or disaster disrupts a community’s sense of safety and predictability, creating a ripple of nervous-system activation far beyond those directly involved. This episode is the Trauma Types companion to S16E161, where we explored collective grief and trauma after sudden tragedy. Here, we zoom in on community shock as a trauma pathway: why people cycle through hypervigilance, numbness, anger, and exhaustion; how media exposure can keep the nervous system activated; and why meaning-making can turn into blame, rumour cycles, or polarisation. We end with a short grounding practice designed to reduce helplessness by focusing on a “circle of control.”
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Circle of Control”
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What’s next: Helping Professionals & Partners: Secondary and Vicarious Trauma
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Migration and displacement can be traumatic not only because of what prompted the move, but because the nervous system loses multiple safety cues at once—home, language, social rules, community, and familiar identity. In this episode, we explore migration and displacement trauma as both a trauma pathway (chronic stress, uncertainty, vigilance) and a grief pathway (loss of belonging, status, and “nervous system home base”). Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we look at why safety cues disappear, how identity disruption adds a second layer, and what helps in realistic, culturally respectful ways. We close with a grounding practice designed to support “two homes”: honouring roots while allowing slow settling.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Two Homes”
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What’s next: Community Shock: Disasters & Public Events (No War Content)
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Chronic scarcity and instability can shape the nervous system in ways that look like anxiety, irritability, shutdown, or “burnout,” even when a person is working incredibly hard to survive. In this episode, we explore poverty, insecurity, and social exclusion as a society-shaped trauma pathway—where the threat is often not a single event, but ongoing conditions with limited control and limited recovery. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we name common “invisible injuries” of scarcity stress, why shame so often gets layered on top, and what helps realistically—without pretending that regulation solves structural problems. We close with a short grounding practice designed to create a stabilising sense of contact, support, and one manageable next step.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “3-Point Stabiliser”
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What’s next: Migration & Displacement Trauma: Losing Home, Language, Self
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Discrimination and minority stress can create a chronic nervous-system load: not only dealing with the moment, but also anticipating bias, managing risk, and constantly scanning for safety and belonging. In this episode, we explore minority stress as an accumulation of experiences—overt discrimination, microaggressions, stereotyping, exclusion, and the invisible effort of code-switching or masking. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we look at how chronic vigilance can keep the body in mobilised protection or shutdown, and we offer practical ways to support regulation without minimising the reality of the environment. We close with a short grounding practice focused on orienting to neutral and welcoming cues, and anchoring a sense of belonging in the self.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Orient + Belonging Cue”
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What’s next: Society-Shaped Trauma (Part 2): Poverty, Insecurity & Social Exclusion
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Not all trauma comes from a single event. Sometimes the trauma pathway is the environment itself—ongoing pressure, instability, or threat with little realistic ability to escape or recover. In this episode, we explore “chronic stress without an exit” as a nervous system pattern that can keep the body stuck in mobilised protection (wired, urgent, hypervigilant) and, over time, slide into shutdown (numb, foggy, depleted). Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we name common “invisible injuries” that can look like burnout or personality changes, and offer realistic support strategies that don’t rely on toxic positivity or impossible self-care. We close with a one-minute downshift practice designed for busy, high-load lives.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (1–2 minutes): “1-Minute Downshift”
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What’s next: Society-Shaped Trauma (Part 1): Discrimination & Minority Stress
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Medical and birth trauma can happen when care meant to help also involves fear, helplessness, loss of control, or violations of consent and dignity. In this episode, we explore why “routine” experiences can still leave lasting nervous system imprints, especially when a person feels rushed, unheard, exposed, or powerless. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we look at fight/flight and shutdown responses in medical settings, common aftereffects like avoidance of care or panic in clinics, and practical ways to reclaim choice. We close with a grounding practice that emphasises resourcing and choice—two key ingredients for nervous system safety.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Resourced Breath + Choice Point”
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What’s next: When the Environment Is the Threat: Chronic Stress Without an Exit
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Single-incident trauma can create a sharp “before and after” in the nervous system—where an overwhelming event leaves the body stuck in protection long after it’s over. In this episode, we explore how trauma memories can be stored as sensory fragments and threat predictions, why triggers can feel like the event is happening again, and how avoidance develops as a protective strategy that can shrink life over time. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we look at mobilised protection (fight/flight) and shutdown, and offer practical first steps for helping the nervous system update from “then” to “now.” We close with a grounding practice that uses the senses plus a temperature cue to anchor the present moment.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “5–4–3–2–1 + Temperature”
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What’s next: Medical & Birth Trauma: When Help Hurts
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Betrayal trauma can be uniquely disorienting because it not only breaks trust—it can disrupt your sense of reality and self-trust. In this episode, we explore betrayal trauma as a nervous system injury that often leads to hypervigilance, rumination, shutdown, and relationship fear. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we look at why the body moves from connection to surveillance after betrayal and how healing often centres on truth, boundaries, and rebuilding trust in yourself. The episode ends with a short “Truth Anchor” practice to stabilise the present moment.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Truth Anchor”
Related Episode:
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What’s next: Single-Incident Trauma: When ‘Before’ and ‘After’ Split
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Intergenerational trauma is what happens when the impact of trauma is passed down through families and communities—through nervous system patterns, emotional rules, family roles, and the stories we inherit about safety, trust, and worth. In this episode, we explore how people can carry burdens that didn’t start with them, why this isn’t about blaming previous generations, and how healing begins by naming what you’re holding and choosing what you want to continue—or interrupt. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we look at how children’s nervous systems entrain to the adults around them, shaping a baseline of mobilised protection or shutdown. We close with a gentle practice to help you release what isn’t yours to carry.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Release What Isn’t Yours”
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What’s next: Betrayal Trauma: When Trust Becomes Unsafe
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Developmental trauma often forms through chronic, repeated stress during childhood—especially when safety, support, and repair are inconsistent. In this episode, you’ll get a clear, non-overwhelming map of what developmental trauma is, why it affects so many areas (regulation, identity, relationships), and how it can show up later as survival patterns like scanning, pleasing, protecting, or disconnecting. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we explore how a developing nervous system adapts to ongoing stress. We close with a gentle “pendulation light” practice to help the body experience movement between tension and neutral, supporting regulation without forcing a story.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Pendulation Light”
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What’s next: Intergenerational Trauma: What Gets Carried Forward
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Attachment and relational trauma can be hard to name because it often doesn’t come from one dramatic event—it forms through patterns over time: inconsistency, emotional absence, unpredictable caregiving, chronic criticism, or rupture without repair. In this episode, we explore attachment as nervous-system education through relationship, and why closeness can become a trigger for protection (anxiety, control, people-pleasing, withdrawal, shutdown). You’ll learn a simple polyvagal-informed lens for understanding relational responses, plus practical starting points for repair and regulation. We close with a short grounding practice designed to support boundaries while staying connected.
In this episode, you’ll learn
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What’s next: Developmental Trauma: A Brief Map (Building on Earlier Episodes)
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Preverbal trauma can be hard to name because it often isn’t stored as a clear story. In this episode, we explore how early experiences, which occur before language development, can shape the nervous system through implicit memory and felt sense. You’ll learn why people can say “nothing happened” and still carry intense body reactions, relationship patterns, or shame responses that feel bigger than the moment. Using simple polyvagal-informed language, we’ll look at how early safety is wired through connection, and what helps when the body remembers what the mind cannot. The episode ends with a varied, trauma-neutral grounding practice using senses and gentle movement.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Grounding practice (2–3 minutes): “Senses + Support”
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What’s next? The Wound in the Bond: Attachment & Relational Trauma
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“Small t” and “big T” are common trauma terms meant to validate, but they can also trigger comparison, minimisation, or shame. In this episode, you’ll learn what these labels usually mean, why they sometimes backfire, and how to replace ranking with a more compassionate, nervous-system-based framework. You’ll also get a simple reframe list (cumulative, relational, chronic vs single-incident, acute) and a short grounding practice to help your system step out of comparison and back into the present.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Gentle reminders
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Next episode: Before Words: Understanding Preverbal Trauma
We’ll explore how the body can carry trauma from experiences that happened before you had language and how to work with it gently.
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Trauma isn’t only about what happened—it’s about what happened inside your nervous system when an experience was too much, too fast, too soon, or too long, without enough support, choice, or protection. In this episode, we clarify what trauma is (and isn’t), using simple, polyvagal-informed language—so you can replace shame and confusion with understanding. You’ll also be guided through a short grounding practice you can use anytime.
In this episode, you’ll learn
Gentle reminders
Check the website for the free resources offered for both those affected by trauma and those supporting them.
Coming next: Small t, Big T—and the Missing Middle
We’ll explore why these terms can be helpful, where they can become misleading, and how to use them without comparison or shame.
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Welcome to the first episode of my new series “The Many Faces of Trauma.” In this opening episode, I share why I’m creating this series and how I’ll guide you through different trauma types in a way that’s clear, gentle, and not overwhelming. I introduce the “trauma map” I’ll be using across two seasons, explain what I mean by “trauma types” (as pathways, not labels), and offer a simple, polyvagal-informed way to understand what your nervous system may be doing.
In this episode, I cover
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In this episode, I talk about trauma in general terms with no graphic detail. You’re always welcome to pause, step away, or come back later.
Grounding practice
I guide you through a brief practice that’s safe for most people, including:
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Coming next: When the Body Learns Danger: What Trauma Is (and Isn’t)
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Welcome again to the How to Deal With Grief and Trauma Podcast Season 16.
HOW TO DEAL WITH GRIEF AND TRAUMA is completely self-funded, produced, and edited by me, Nathalie Himmelrich.
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Today is Monday, 19th January and for me a significant day: It is the 14th death-iversary of my Mother. With this in mind, I'm taking a moment to honour her and the body of work I've created with this podcast - even though I'm not one to applaud my own accomplishments easily.
For the coming season 16 and 17, I'm planing a whole set of episodes on the topic of trauma, starting with last week's episode on cultural grief following a traumatic event.
Before we begin, a gentle content note: we’ll be talking about trauma in general terms. There will be no graphic details. You don’t have to push through any of the episodes. If you notice your body tightening, your breath changing, or your mind drifting away, that’s not failure—that’s your nervous system doing its job. You’re allowed to pause, come back later, or choose a different episode.
The intent is to educate, to inform and to support - both those affected and those supporting those who are.
With that in mind, have a gentle day.
Let your nervous system guide you.
With Love, Nathalie
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In this episode, Nathalie explores the emotional, psychological, and communal impact of the tragic event that took place on January 1st at Le Constellation in Crans-Montana.
Together, we examine what happens in the immediate aftermath of sudden disasters, how individuals and communities—both local and global—are affected, and why events like these evoke such strong collective responses.
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Thank you for listening and for taking gentle care of yourself and your community.
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About this week’s episode Today’s guest is Shavaun Scott, a psychotherapist and author who shares a deeply personal and courageous story with us in our conversation. In her memoir Nightbird, Shavaun explores the devastating experience of her husband’s revenge suicide, an act he carried out on the very day she told him she wanted a divorce. After 17 years in an abusive relationship, Shavaun was left not only with the trauma of a gruesome scene staged in her own home, but also with the complex emotional aftermath, grief not just for the loss of life, but for the relationship that never truly was. As a therapist herself, Shavaun offers a profound and nuanced perspective on the psychological toll of intimate partner abuse, the moral injuries of suicide, and the long road of healing. This is a powerful and honest conversation about trauma, survival, and the complicated nature of grief.
About this week’s guestShavaun has been a psychotherapist for nearly 35 years in Oregon and California in the US. Shavaun shares her passion for mental health and wellness through writing, speaking, and podcasting; she is the author of four books. While she has worked extensively with grief and trauma, she has also experienced it in multiple ways throughout her life. She lost her mother when she was 16, her father when she was 35, and her previous husband of 17 years died by suicide in 2004. Shavaun now lives and works from her home in the forest in Portland, Oregon, which she shares with her husband and a houseful of beloved animals.
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About this week’s episodeToday’s guest is someone many of you will remember from episode 87. She’s here today to talk about her latest book, The Joy Reset, a groundbreaking and deeply compassionate guide that takes the powerful tools of positive psychology and adapts them for those of us who have lived through trauma. Joy, she reminds us, isn’t about toxic positivity or forced gratitude. It’s about finding light in the dark, one gritty, bite-sized moment at a time.
In this book, she explores why joy can feel so elusive after trauma—and how we can gently reclaim it. Through neurobiological insights, real-life examples, and actionable practices, MC gives us a new framework to understand hope, gratitude, and resilience—not as fluffy ideals, but as essential, hard-won emotional tools for healing.
About this week’s guestMary Catherine (MC) McDonald, PhD, is a research professor and life coach who specializes in the psychology of trauma, stress, and resilience. She has been researching, lecturing, and publishing on the neuroscience, psychology, and lived experience of trauma and stress for over a decade. She is passionate about destigmatizing trauma, stress, and mental health issues in general, as well as reframing our understanding of trauma in order to better understand and treat it.
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About this week’s episodeMary-Frances’s book The Grieving Brain has inspired me from the moment I started reading it. In this episode Mary-Frances is back to speak about her second book The Grieving Body.
So I’m very excited today to be speaking with Mary-Frances again, neuroscientist to find out even more about the science behind grief and all that Mary-Frances and her colleagues have researched in their lab.
About this week’s guestMary-Frances O’Connor, PhD is an Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Arizona, where she directs the Grief, Loss and Social Stress (GLASS) Lab.
Her research focuses on the physiological correlates of emotion, in particular, the wide range of physical and emotional responses during bereavement, including yearning and isolation. She believes that a clinical science approach toward the experience and mechanisms of grieving can improve interventions for prolonged grief disorder, newly included in the revised DSM-5.
Website: https://maryfrancesoconnor.org/
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October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, and with it comes a deeply meaningful PAIL Mini Series here on How to Deal With Grief and Trauma.
In this seventh and last episode of the PAIL Mini Series, we explore two central themes:
🕊️ What You’ll Hear in This Episode
🗓️ About the Mini Series
The PAIL Mini Series runs through October with episodes released every four days, combining solo reflections and replays of the most loved guest episodes on pregnancy and infant loss.
🩷 Replays: October 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
💬 Solo episodes: October 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30
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About today’s episodeDuring October, which is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, we will dedicate all the episodes to increasing awareness around what parents experience. Today, we feature a conversation with Katherine Lazar, a mum who has experienced her first child's death through stillbirth.
About this week’s guestKatherine Lazar currently lives in Atlanta, GA in the US and is married to the love of her life, Brody’s dad, Michael. When she was 37 weeks pregnant, her precious son died and was stillborn. The sorrow following his death almost killed her. Conversations with other loss moms saved her. She decided to record them and put them out for others to hear. If they helped her feel less alone, maybe they could help others. She’s so proud to have created this in Brody’s honor and to give other mothers a platform to talk about their babies.
At the time of recording this episode, they were expecting their second child, and navigating the world of pregnancy after loss is a whole new battle. However, Katherine has spent a lot of time putting in the work with grief therapy & trauma recovery, surrounding herself with good people, having a great support system, and amazing doctors this time around. She feels ready for whatever comes her way.
She misses her son every day and knows that she will see him again someday. Until then, she will continue to tell her story, be very open about her journey, and help other loss mothers find light in the dark.
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October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, and with it comes a deeply meaningful PAIL Mini Series here on How to Deal With Grief and Trauma.
Grief is not one-size-fits-all.
In this sixth episode, we explore two central themes:
🕊️ What You’ll Hear in This Episode
🗓️ About the Mini Series
The PAIL Mini Series runs through October with episodes released every four days, combining solo reflections and replays of the most loved guest episodes on pregnancy and infant loss.
🩷 Replays: October 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
💬 Solo episodes: October 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30
🧭 Next Episode
🎧 PAIL Mini Series: 7 — Carrying Hope Alongside Grief & Sustaining Support Beyond the Early Weeks
📅 Releasing October 30
Exploring how grief and hope can coexist — and how ongoing support brings strength long after the early days.
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About today’s episodeDuring October, which is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, we will dedicate all the episodes to increasing awareness around what parents experience. Today, we feature a conversation with Rachelle Spencer, a mum who has experienced multiple pregnancy losses.
About this week’s guestRachelle Spencer is an entrepreneur and mom in Baltimore, Maryland (USA). She started her handmade jewellery business after she lost 4 children to early miscarriage. She now has a son, daughter, and another little one on the way. She spends most of her time doing photography, reading children’s books, or trying her hand out at a new creative outlet.
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October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, and with it comes a deeply meaningful PAIL Mini Series here on How to Deal With Grief and Trauma.
Love doesn’t end when a baby dies — it transforms.
In this fifth episode, we explore two central themes:
This episode speaks to both parents who have experienced pregnancy or infant loss and the people who wish to support them with sensitivity and presence.
🕊️ What You’ll Hear in This Episode
🗓️ About the Mini Series
The PAIL Mini Series runs through October with episodes released every four days, combining solo reflections and replays of the most loved guest episodes on pregnancy and infant loss.
🩷 Replays: October 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
💬 Solo episodes: October 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30
🧭 Next Episode
🎧 PAIL Mini Series: 6 — Permission to Grieve in Your Own Way & Supporting Partners and Extended Family
📅 Releasing October 26
Affirming that every grief journey is unique — and exploring how partners and families can support each other through loss.
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About today’s episodeDuring October, which is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, we will dedicate all the episodes to increasing awareness around what parents experience. Today, we feature a conversation with Amy Watson, a mother who has experience miscarriage and stillbirth and speaks about what pregnancy after loss was like for her.
About this week’s guestAmy Watson is a certified life and grief coach. She takes her own experiences with stillbirth, miscarriage, and pregnancy after loss and combines them with proven techniques to help moms find themselves again after loss. She shares everything she knows to help you feel more peaceful, confident, and hopeful on her podcast, Smooth Stones. Amy wants all loss parents to know that by making friends with grief, tapping into their own inner voice, and learning to truly love themselves again they will be able to have not just a life to be endured, but one that is full and beautiful. Amy is a sought-after podcast guest, and she loves sharing her story, her babies, and hope everywhere she goes.
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October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, and with it comes a deeply meaningful PAIL Mini Series here on How to Deal With Grief and Trauma.
In this fourth episode, we explore two central themes:
This episode speaks to both parents who have experienced pregnancy or infant loss and the people who wish to support them with sensitivity and presence.
🕊️ What You’ll Hear in This Episode
🗓️ About the Mini Series
The PAIL Mini Series runs through October with episodes released every four days, combining solo reflections and replays of the most loved guest episodes on pregnancy and infant loss.
🩷 Replays: October 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
💬 Solo episodes: October 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30
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🎧 PAIL Mini Series: 5 — Love, Longing, and Continuing Bonds & Respecting Boundaries and Emotional Needs
📅 Releasing October 22
Exploring how ongoing love for your baby can coexist with healing — and how to hold space for personal boundaries in grief.
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About today’s episodeDuring October, which is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, we will dedicate all the episodes to increasing awareness around what parents experience. Today, we feature a conversation with Betsy Winter, a somatic practitioner sharing both about her personal experience after the stillbirth of her daughter and her work with parents who have experienced pregnancy and infant loss.
About this week’s guestBetsy Winter is an experienced mind-body coach and somatic practitioner known for her effective methods in helping individuals transform profound loss and unresolved trauma into deep healing and embodied change. She believes in understanding individuals rather than pathologizing them, viewing each person as the expert of their own experiences. Her client-centred approach is aimed at those seeking self-discovery, deep healing, and sustainable change. Betsy is also a key contributor to the pregnancy and infant loss community, significantly involved in the creation and growth of RTZ HOPE’s support groups, retreats, and provider resources. Her work is deeply influenced by the brief life of her daughter, Eliza, who was diagnosed with a severe heart defect and trisomy 18 at 31 weeks and stillborn at 41 weeks, and by her own journey of uncovering and healing from layers of unresolved complex trauma from early childhood neglect and abuse.
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October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, and with it comes a deeply meaningful PAIL Mini Series here on How to Deal With Grief and Trauma.
In this third solo episode, we explore two central themes:
Grief moves like waves — unpredictable, powerful, and always changing.
In this episode, we explore the emotional tides of pregnancy and infant loss and how understanding these rhythms can help both grievers and supporters find steadiness.
I also shared practical, compassionate ways loved ones can help ease daily burdens when words aren’t enough.
🕊️ What You’ll Hear in This Episode
🗓️ About the Mini Series
The PAIL Mini Series runs through October with episodes released every four days, combining solo reflections and replays of the most loved guest episodes on pregnancy and infant loss.
🩷 Replays: October 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
💬 Solo episodes: October 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30
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🎧 PAIL Mini Series: 4 — The Body Remembers & Honoring Important Dates
📅 Releasing October 18
Exploring how the body holds grief and how remembrance rituals can bring comfort and connection.
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About today’s episodeDuring October, which is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, we will dedicate all the episodes to increasing awareness around what parents experience. Today, we feature a conversation with Jessica Zucker, a psychologist and an advocate on speaking out about miscarriage.
About this week’s guestDr Jessica Zucker is a psychologist specializing in reproductive health and the author of I had a Miscarriage: A Memoir, a Movement. She’s the creator of the #IHadaMiscarriage campaign. Her writing has appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, New York Magazine, and Vogue, among others. Jessica Zucker’s second book is in the works.
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In this second solo episode of the Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month Mini Series, we explore two central themes:
So many grieving parents describe the silence that follows their loss: friends who disappear, family members who don’t know what to say, and the painful invisibility that comes when a baby’s short life isn’t acknowledged. This episode offers both comfort and clarity — for those who are grieving and those who wish to support them.
🕊️ What You’ll Hear in This Episode
🗓️ About the Mini Series
This PAIL Mini Series runs throughout October, honoring Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month with episodes released every four days.
It includes a mix of solo reflections from Nathalie and replays of some of the most powerful and loved interviews on this topic from the past three years.
Each episode aims to:
🌸 Support bereaved parents with empathy and validation
💬 Guide supporters in how to show up with compassion and awareness
🩷 Replays: October 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
💬 Solo episodes: October 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30
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🎧 PAIL Mini Series: 3 — Navigating the Waves of Grief & Practical Support Matters
Releasing October 14
Discover how grief changes over time and what practical, meaningful support looks like in daily life.
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About today’s episodeDuring October, which is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, we will dedicate all the episodes to increasing awareness around what parents experience. Today, we feature a conversation with Jennifer Beatty-Kwan.
This was the podcast's first episode where the guest was a medical doctor, sharing her experience of the loss of her infant daughter. Still today it remains one of the top 10 favorite episodes on the podcast.
About this week’s guestJennifer is a mom of three, two living and one angel. She is a board-certified family medicine physician, dedicating her professional life to comprehensive care for all of her patients, and is passionate about continuous and lifelong learning. She spends her private life exploring the world around us, near and far, with her children and wonderful husband. Jennifer's daughter, Neve, passed in 2022 at the age of 9 weeks. Jennifer carries the memory of her daughter's sweet and kind soul with her in every facet of her life, and considers it to be the greatest honor to have known, held, and to continue to love her.
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October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, and with it comes a deeply meaningful PAIL Mini Series here on How to Deal With Grief and Trauma.
In this opening episode, we explore two central themes:
🕊️ What You’ll Hear in This Episode
🗓️ About the Mini Series
The PAIL Mini Series runs throughout October with new episodes released every two days.
It includes a mix of solo reflections by Nathalie and replays of some of the most listened-to guest interviews from the past three years of the podcast.
🩷 Replays: Oct. 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
💬 Solo episodes: Oct. 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30
Each conversation aims to support grievers and educate supporters, honoring PAIL Month with tenderness and truth.
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🎧 PAIL Mini Series: 2 — The Loneliness of Loss & What to Say (and What Not to Say)
Releasing October 10
A conversation about language, silence, and how to truly connect through compassion.
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About today’s episodeDuring October, which is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, we will dedicate all the episodes to increasing awareness around what parents experience. Today, we feature a conversation with Rachel Tenpenny.
This was the podcast's first episode ever and still today it remains one of the top 10 favorite episode on the podcast.
About this week’s guestHelping people through grief is Rachel's passion. After her twin baby daughters Aubrey and Ellie died in 2008, she made a promise to them that she'd learn how to heal after loss and share what she learned with everyone who wants to heal too. Rachel has spent more than a decade making good on her promise and has helped hundreds of clients build a meaningful and purposeful life after loss.
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About this week’s episodeToday on the podcast, I’m speaking with Tamara Gabriel.
In our conversation, we look back over almost 30 years since the death of her daughter, a decade since speaking about Jenna’s death, to when we worked on the book Surviving My First Year of Child Loss in 2017, to now, 10 years later.
Her nine-year-old daughter Janna died over the Fourth of July weekend in 1997, when Tamara was driving to a friend’s home. The car hydroplaned and collided with another car, killing Janna.
Tamara became isolated in her grief and felt people had turned away from her. She responded by writing a poem about the importance of hugs:
If You See Me
If you see me, do not run . . .
I know that talk is not much fun.
I know your hearts are sure to tug,
But all I need is just a hug.
After her poem was published in the local paper, many people approached her, saying they’d read it, and then hugged her.
Sixteen years later, in 2013, Tamara started Healing Hugs. This nonprofit organisation assists with funeral-related services or other expenses. For example, when Tamara learned that, for a number of complicated reasons, a child did not yet have a headstone, she offered to provide one for his grave.
About this week’s guestTamara Gabriel is a massage therapist. She works with her husband, who is a psychiatrist in his medical clinic. They’ve been together for 23 years, married for 19, they are happily married and livi
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In this episode of How to Deal with Grief and Trauma, Nathalie Himmelrich explores the history, importance, and impact of Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness (PAIL). We talk about why this month of remembrance matters, what society can do to better support grieving families, and how bereaved parents can honor and integrate the memory of their babies.
You’ll also hear references to past podcast conversations with mothers and fathers who shared their experiences of miscarriage, stillbirth, and infant loss — powerful voices that remind us we are not alone in our grief.
Whether you are a grieving parent, a supporter, or someone wanting to learn, this episode is a heartfelt invitation to break the silence around these losses.
Resources Mentioned in this Episode
Related Podcast Episodes on Pregnancy and Infant Loss
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On World Suicide Prevention Day (10 September 2025), we explore this year’s theme: “Changing the Narrative on Suicide.”
This episode covers:
🌍 Community Examples from Around the World
🎧 Related Podcast Episodes on Suicide & Prevention
If you’d like to dive deeper into lived experiences and healing journeys connected to suicide, listen to these episodes:
✨ If you or someone you know is struggling, please
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🎧 DISRUPTED ATTACHMENT GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: DISRUPTED ATTACHMENT GRIEF
You’ll learn:
🔗 Resources & Links
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🎧 MIGRATION-RELATED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: MIGRATION-RELATED GRIEF
You’ll learn:
🔗 Resources & Links
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🎧 CULTURAL OR INTERGENERATIONAL GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: CULTURAL OR INTERGENERATIONAL GRIEF
You’ll learn:
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🎧 ENVIRONMENTAL OR CLIMATE GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: ENVIRONMENTAL OR CLIMATE GRIEF
You’ll learn:
🔗 Resources & Links
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🎧 GRIEF DUE TO NON-DEATH LOSS – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
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🎧 COMPOUNDED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: COMPOUNDED GRIEF
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🎧 IDENTITY-RELATED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: IDENTITY-RELATED GRIEF
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🎧 DEVELOPMENTAL GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: DEVELOPMENTAL GRIEF
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🎧 EXISTENTIAL GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: EXISTENTIAL GRIEF
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🎧 INVISIBLE GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: INVISIBLE GRIEF
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🎧 VICARIOUS GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: VICARIOUS GRIEF
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🎧 STIGMATIZED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: STIGMATIZED GRIEF
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🎧 DISTORTED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: DISTORTED GRIEF
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🎧 NORMAL GRIEF VS PATHOLOGICAL GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: NORMAL GRIEF VS PATHOLOGICAL GRIEF
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🎧 RESIDUAL GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: RESIDUAL GRIEF
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🎧 EXAGGERATED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: EXAGGERATED GRIEF
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🎧 CHRONIC GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: CHRONIC GRIEF
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🎧 MASKED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: MASKED GRIEF
You’ll learn:
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🎧 AMBIGUOUS GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: AMBIGUOUS GRIEF
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🎧 INHIBITED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: INHIBITED GRIEF
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🎧 ABSENT GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: ABSENT GRIEF
You’ll learn:
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🎧 DELAYED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: DELAYED GRIEF
You’ll learn:
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🎧 COLLECTIVE GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: COLLECTIVE GRIEF
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🎧 SECONDARY LOSS GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: SECONDARY LOSS GRIEF
You’ll learn:
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🎧 CUMULATIVE GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
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Today, we explore the term: CUMULATIVE GRIEF
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🎧 COMPLICATED OR PROLONGED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: COMPLICATED OR PROLONGED GRIEF
You’ll learn:
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🎧 DISENFRANCHISED GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: DISENFRANCHISED GRIEF
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🎧 TRAUMATIC GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: TRAUMATIC GRIEF
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🎧 SUDDEN LOSS/GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: SUDDEN LOSS/GRIEF
You’ll learn:
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🎧 ANTICIPATORY GRIEF – Mini Series: Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma
Welcome to this episode of the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast. This is part of our special summer mini series:
“Understanding the Language of Grief, Loss and Trauma.”
I’m your host, Nathalie Himmelrich — somatic practitioner, psychological therapist, educator, and author specializing in grief and trauma.
🌿 About This Mini Series
Grief and trauma are deeply human experiences, yet many of us struggle to describe what we're going through — or to understand what others are facing. The vocabulary of loss is vast, varied, and sometimes overwhelming.
In this special mini series, released daily throughout Juli/August, we explore different types of grief and trauma that people encounter throughout life.
Each 10–15 minute bite-sized episode offers:
Whether you're a bereaved parent, caregiver, therapist, or walking beside a grieving friend, this series offers you language, clarity, and compassion.
📌 In This Episode
Today, we explore the term: ANTICIPATORY GRIEF
You’ll learn:
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About this week’s episodeToday’s guest on the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast is Dr. Richard Blake. Richard and I first met as colleagues during a year-long holistic counselling course. Over the months, we not only connected through the rich and layered material being taught, but also on a more personal level. What immediately stood out to me was Richard’s thoughtful, inquisitive nature—his ability to question what many simply accept as truth, and his willingness to dig deeper into the human experience. I’ve always appreciated the way he sees the world, with both curiosity and compassion. His perspective brings depth and nuance to conversations around healing, and I’m grateful to have him here today to share his insights into grief, trauma, and the transformative potential of truly being with what is.
About this week’s guestDr. Richard Blake holds a PhD in Transpersonal Psychology and was the lead investigator on the largest randomised controlled trial ever conducted on Conscious Connected Breathwork. He specialises in using altered states of consciousness—including breathwork, nature immersion, plant medicine, and ketogenic nutrition—as tools for deep trauma healing and nervous system regulation.
A passionate advocate for evolving the field of mental health, Dr. Blake believes in moving beyond relying solely on medication and talk therapy to embrace holistic, somatic, and biohacking-based approaches. His work is grounded in both rigorous scientific research and personal experience.
As the co-host of the RUNGA Radio podcast, he also emphasises the critical role of intentional community in
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About this week’s episodeIn this special celebration episode, host Nathalie Himmelrich pauses to honour a heartfelt milestone: three years of How to Deal with Grief and Trauma, featuring over 100 powerful episodes and more than 60,000 downloads from listeners around the world.
From humble beginnings to a global community, Nathalie reflects on the podcast’s journey, the deeply personal stories shared by guests, the healing ripple effects, and her profound gratitude to everyone who has walked this path alongside her.
This is more than a milestone—it's a love letter to every listener, every guest, and every grieving heart that’s found resonance and connection in these conversations.
Whether you’ve been here from the start or just discovered the show, this episode is an invitation to pause, breathe, and remember: you are not alone.
In this episode, Nathalie shares:
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About this week’s episodeToday’s guest on the podcast is Theresa Bruno. As the podcast continues to grow, I often receive guest suggestions, but Theresa stood out. It was her presence and authenticity on her Soul Talk podcast that truly sparked my interest. There was something about the way she held space for difficult conversations that resonated deeply with me. Theresa brings a grounded, soulful approach to grief, healing, and transformation—one that blends vulnerability with strength. I know her voice and story will touch many of you listening.
About this week’s guestTheresa Bruno is an author, speaker, coach, and the host of The Soul Talks Podcast. A trained classical pianist and accomplished entrepreneur, she previously led a successful marketing firm and founded Jordan Alexander Jewelry, a high-end jewelry brand with a devoted celebrity following. Her designs have adorned icons such as Oprah, Julia Roberts, Jennifer Hudson, Pink, and Michelle Obama, who named her one of her favourite designers.
When Theresa lost her husband to suicide, the loss reshaped her perspective on success, resilience, and what it truly means to rebuild. She found herself navigating survival, grappling with grief, searching for meaning, and ultimately discovering a deeper purpose. Now, Theresa is dedicated to helping others find their way through loss and transformation. Through her writing, speaking, and coaching, she offer
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About this week’s episodeToday’s guest on the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma podcast is Colin Campbell. I first heard about Colin through a former guest who was deeply moved by an article he had written. Her words piqued my curiosity, and when I finally read Colin’s piece, I immediately understood why—it was powerful, honest, and deeply human. We later crossed paths through mutual colleagues, and it became clear that we shared not just a passion for helping others navigate grief, but also the personal experience of child loss. That shared bond drew me to connect with him more personally, and I knew I wanted to invite him onto the podcast. Colin brings a heartfelt and courageous voice to conversations around grief, and I’m honoured to have him here today to share his story, insights, and the wisdom he's gained on his journey through unimaginable loss.
About this week’s guestColin Campbell is a writer and director for theatre and film. He was nominated for an Academy Award for Seraglio, a short film he wrote and directed with his lovely and talented wife, Gail Lerner. He has taught Theatre and/or Filmmaking at Chapman University, Loyola Marymount University, Cal Poly Pomona University, and to incarcerated youth. His book, Finding the Words: Working Through Profound Loss with Hope and Purpose, was published by Penguin Random House in 2023. He wrote and performs, Grief: A One Man ShitShow which premiered at the
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Have you ever noticed how grief reshapes your entire social landscape? Some friends rush in while others quietly slip away, and sometimes the most unexpected people become your anchors through the storm.
This deeply human exploration of friendship during grief introduces us to the powerful metaphor of "firefighters" and "builders." Firefighters are those who show up immediately during a crisis with urgency and dedication. They bring meals, stay up with you through sleepless nights, and hold space while you fall apart. Builders arrive later, bringing tools, patience and steady presence to help reconstruct your world when the initial flames have died down.
What's particularly illuminating is recognising that few people serve effectively in both roles. This understanding helps release unrealistic expectations of our support network while appreciating the unique contributions different friends make to our healing. We explore the unexpected connections formed through shared grief—relationships that transcend small talk and connect soul to soul. These profound bonds often form quickly with people we might never have met otherwise.
We also delve into the painful secondary losses when friends disappear after trauma, the complex grief of mourning relationships with people still living, and the concept of "shelving" frien
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About this week’s episode and guestToday, I have the honor of introducing someone very special—Steve, a 65-year-old man living in the UK. He has been married to Lindsay for 40 years and has three grown-up children and five grandchildren. His life changed significantly when Lindsay died suddenly nearly two years ago.
Steve was a client of mine for several years following the heartbreaking, sudden and unexpected loss of his Lindsay. Steve’s journey through grief is exemplary because he diligently put himself out to understand grief, to learn to live with it and integrate the loss of his companion of a lifetime into a meaningful life. I invited him to share his story because it offers much insight.
When we began working together, Steve was recently widowed. From the beginning, he wanted to grow not because of his loss but despite it and embrace life yet again. Over the time we worked together, I’ve had the privilege of witnessing his incredible transformation—how he embraced his own grief and walked alongside the grief of his three adult children. We worked through the difficult emotions, and he ultimately rebuilt his life in a way that honors his late wife’s memory while also opening himself up to new love.
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Tomorrow is Mother’s Day.
And as much as the world tells us it’s a day for breakfast in bed, flowers, greeting cards, and family gatherings, I want to take this space to speak to those of you who might feel heavy-hearted, conflicted, or even empty as this day approaches.
While Mother’s Day can bring moments of joy and gratitude, for many, it also amplifies pain, longing, and what is missing.
Whether you are a mother whose child has died…
A daughter whose mother is no longer living…
A woman who longed to be a mother and never got the chance…
Or someone navigating estrangement, complicated relationships, or generational trauma with your mother or your children…
This episode is for you.
Here are some compassionate Mother's Day gifts:
Be gentle with yourself.
Hold space for your heart.
And remember, love never dies.
With Love,
Nathalile
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About this week’s episodeWelcome back to How to Deal with Grief and Trauma. Today, we’re reconnecting with Betsy Winter, our guest from Episode 99. She shared her powerful story of resilience through grief after the loss of her daughter Eliza. This time, Betsy returns to explore a deeply personal and transformative topic: developmental trauma. If you’re new to DT, you might like to check out Episode 66, where I explain the basics, how DT manifests, etc.
Today, Betsy and I will explore how early adverse experiences shaped her life, their impact on emotional well-being, and her healing journey. Betsy offers unique insights into uncovering hidden trauma, navigating relationships, and embracing recovery. Her candid reflections and hard-won wisdom remind us that healing is possible, no matter how early the wounds were formed. Stay tuned for a heartfelt conversation about vulnerability, growth, and the path toward lasting emotional freedom.
About this week’s guestBetsy Winter is an experienced mind-body coach and somatic practitioner known for her effective methods in helping individuals transform profound loss and unresolved trauma into deep healing and embodied change. Read her full bio here.
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About this week’s episodeWelcome back to How to Deal with Grief and Trauma. Today, I have the honor of introducing someone very special—Jen, who was a client of mine for several years following the heartbreaking loss of her daughter. Jen’s journey through grief is nothing short of inspirational, and I’ve invited her to share her story because it offers so much hope and insight.
When we began working together, Jen was deeply immersed in the overwhelming pain of her loss. But over the time we worked together, I’ve had the privilege of witnessing her incredible transformation—how she embraced her grief, worked through the complex emotions, and ultimately rebuilt her life in a way that honors her daughter’s memory.
About this week’s guestJennifer is a mom of three, two living and one angel. She is a board-certified family medicine physician, dedicating her professional life to comprehensive care for all of her patients, and is passionate about continuous and lifelong learning. She spends her private life exploring the world around us, near and far, with her children and wonderful husband. Jennifer’s daughter, Neve, passed in 2022 at the age of 9 weeks. Jennifer carries the memory of her daughter’s sweet and kind soul with her in every facet of her life, and considers it to be the greatest honor to have known, held, and to continue to love her.
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About this week’s episodeWelcome to today’s episode of How to Deal with Grief and Trauma. I’m thrilled to be joined by Brittany Piper, a fellow practitioner in somatic healing. Britt and I share a deep commitment to body-based trauma recovery, both being trained in Somatic Experiencing® and Polyvagal Theory – no surprise given we both share a dedication to nervous system regulation and somatic healing. I’m sure that this will create a rich foundation for today’s discussion. Together, we’ll first hear Britt’s personal story and how she became who she is today. Then together we explore how the body holds and processes trauma, the role of polyvagal theory in grief and healing, and practical ways to reconnect with safety and resilience after loss and trauma.
About this week’s guestBrittany Piper is an internationally renowned speaker, author, Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner, and expert in sexual violence prevention and trauma-informed care. Over the past 13 years, she has delivered more than 400 programs across three continents. Her work has been recognized by the U.S. Army, the Department of Justice, the Laura Bush Institute for Women’s Health, Cosmopolitan, Elite Daily, and others. As a rape survivor and leading advocate on sexual violence prevention, Brittany speaks to tens of thousands each year. She is also a forensic neurobiology expert, conducting trauma-informed trainings with the U.S. Army and Sex Crimes Detectives. Creator of @healwithbritt and founder of the internationally acclaimed Body-First Healing Program, Brittany continues to inspire and lead in the field of trauma recovery.
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Welcome again to the How to Deal With Grief and Trauma Podcast Season 11.
HOW TO DEAL WITH GRIEF AND TRAUMA is completely self-funded, produced, and edited by me, Nathalie Himmelrich.
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I’m really excited about the episodes that are coming your way. Starting next week, new episodes will begin to drop on Mondays. Some will come to you weekly, others every second week — it’ll depend a little on my current workload, but rest assured, the content is coming, and I think you’ll find it both supportive and insightful.
This season, we’ll continue to explore how grief and trauma show up in our lives — how they intertwine, unfold, and evolve — and how we can begin to understand them in a way that fosters healing and growth.
You’ll hear solo episodes from me with reflections, tools, and guidance to help you navigate your own experience. And, as always, there will be guest interviews, where people share their personal stories of loss and healing — their unique ways of living with and through grief and trauma.
There are two upcoming episodes I’m especially honoured to share with you — interviews with some of my former clients. These conversations are truly special. I’ve had the privilege of walking alongside them in their healing process, and now, you’ll get to hear their reflections, in their own words, on their journey so far. It’s incredibly moving, and I believe it will offer a deep sense of hope and connection for so many of you.
So stay tuned — Season 11 officially kicks off next Monday.
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How to Deal with Grief and Trauma - 100th Episode / 50'000 Downloads
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About this week’s episodeThis week, I have the pleasure of welcoming Betsy Winter to the podcast. Betsy and I were connected through Kiley Hanish, whom you might remember from our recent "Grieving Parents: A Decade Later" series. When Kiley introduced us, she mentioned that Betsy and I share a passion for supporting those navigating grief and trauma and a deep appreciation for somatic approaches to healing. "You two speak the same language," Kiley said, and she couldn’t have been more right.
Betsy’s work dives into the body’s innate wisdom and ability to guide us through some of life’s most challenging moments. Our conversation promises to explore themes of resilience, connection, and the transformative power of listening to the body. If you’re curious about how somatic practices can support healing after loss or trauma, you’ll want to lean in for this one.
About this week’s guestBetsy Winter is an experienced mind-body coach and somatic practitioner known for her effective methods in helping individuals transform profound loss and unresolved trauma into deep healing and embodied change. She believes in understanding individuals rather than pathologizing them, viewing each person as the expert of their own experiences. Her client-centred approach is aimed at those seeking self-discovery, deep healing, and sustainable change. Betsy is also a key contributor to the pregnancy and infant loss community, significantly involved in the creation and growth of RTZ HOPE's support groups, retreats, and provider resources. Her work is deeply influenced by the brief life of her daughter, Eliza, who was diagnosed with
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About this week’s episodeToday on the podcast I’m speaking with Keem Fares again, the mother of Karina, a spirited intelligent young gymnast, who died in a freak accident when she was 12 years old.
In our conversation, we look back over a decade since Karina’s death, from the early grief to when we worked on the book Surviving My First Year of Child Loss in 2017 to now, 10 years after Karina’s death and the year that Karina would turn twenty.
I highly recommend listening to the first episode (S3E25) with Keem, where she beautifully describes how grief has affected her life, her relationship, and her faith and how it has evolved from pure survival to how she experiences it now.
About this week’s guestKeem Fares is a non-profit professional who holds a leadership position in financial operations. Originally from Mexico herself, she met her husband in Cairo, Egypt, where they lived for 15 years before moving to San Diego, California in 2011.
Keem struggles to rediscover herself after the accidental death of her 12-year-old daughter, Karina, in 2015. She finds joy in her son Mark, and together with her husband, they rely on their faith in hope. They established Karina’s Joy Foundation to perpetuate Karina’s joyful spirit and giving nature through youth scholarships and acts of kindness.
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About this week’s episodeI’ve spoken to today’s guest Tori in S4 E39 so I recommend listening to her personal story there.
For today's episode, I invited Tori to speak with me about her experience, who is living just miles from where wildfires in California have recently devastated an entire community. Together, we talk about what it’s like to be so close to this kind of tragedy, the emotional impact on both survivors and those supporting them, and what we can do to help.
About this week’s guestTori Press is an artist, author, and anxious human being. She spent 10 years as a graphic designer before quitting to create some space in her life. In 2016 she bought herself a set of markers and began drawing pictures inspired by her yoga practice, mental health struggles, and everyday life. This decision started her on an extraordinary adventure of self-discovery and human connection. Her drawings help her cultivate mindfulness, gratitude, and self-acceptance–and she hopes they do the same for others!
She is the author of two books: How to Feel Better, a companion and workbook for dealing with tough times (including grief and loss), and I Am Definitely, Probably Enough (I Think).
Tori’s links: Website | Instagram
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S4 E39 When Grieving Dad Equals the Loss of a Challenging Relationship
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About this week’s episodeI’ve spoken to today’s guest, Shelby in S3E29 so I recommend listening to her personal story there.
For today's episode, I invited Shelby back to speak about the topic of loss and/or trauma, at least for some, experienced following the most recent new election of the American president or how she worded it in one of her newsletters: “Thoughts for election despair” and how it affects her.
Upon my invitation to speak with her for the podcast, Shelby wrote to me: “Full disclosure: I'll be coming with my progressive perspective as a woman, queer person, and grief business owner, so I really can't speak to the perspective of anyone who's overjoyed at Trump's return to office.”
About this week’s guestShelby Forsythia (she/her) is a grief coach, author, and podcast host. In 2020, she founded Life After Loss Academy, an online course and community that has helped dozens of grievers grow and find their way after death, divorce, diagnosis, and other major life transitions.
Following her mother’s death in 2013, Shelby began calling herself a “student of grief” and now devotes her days to reading, writing, and speaking about loss. Through mindfulness tools and intuitive, open-ended questions, she guides her clients to welcome grief as a teacher and create meaningful lives that honor and include the heartbreaks they’ve faced. Her work has been featured in Huffington Post, Bustle, Newsweek, and The Oprah Magazine. She considers herself a politically progressive, honoring her identities as a queer woman and grief guide.
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About this week’s episodeThis week, I’m speaking with Meghan R. Jarvis again, who was a guest in seasons four and five. We speak the same professional language and, together, discuss the intersection of grief and trauma.
Meghan just published another book called Can Anyone Tell Me? Essential Questions about Grief and Loss offers hopeful lessons on loss informed by rigorous neuroscience and biophysical science, communicated to readers in manageable, understandable bites and profound real-world stories.
About this week’s guestMeghan Riordan Jarvis, MA, LCSW, is an author, podcast host, TEDx Speaker, and psychotherapist specializing in trauma, grief, and loss. After experiencing PTSD following the deaths of both of her parents within two years of each other, Meghan began speaking on a larger scale about the importance of understanding grief and supporting grievers. Founder of Tacking Point Partners, Meghan, and her team consult regularly with companies addressing grief in the workplace. Meghan’s “Grief is My Side Hustle” platform includes her popular podcast of the same name, her blog, and her free grief writing workshop “Grief Mates.”
Meghan’s links: Website | Instagram
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About this week’s episodeAs the holiday season approaches, emotions around grief and trauma can intensify, especially during family gatherings. Tune into this episode with one of our favourite guests on the podcast, Rachel Tenpenny McGonigle (E1, E50 and E88) to gain insights into dealing with grief and trauma and explore effective ways to manage Christmas and grief. We will delve into how to navigate family gatherings when you as a member are dealing with recent loss and/or trauma.
We aim to offer a safe space where you as the listener can find solace, learn, and empower yourself through shared experiences and professional guidance.
About this week’s guestHelping people through grief is Rachel’s passion. After her twin baby daughters Aubrey and Ellie died in 2008, she made a promise to them that she’d learn how to heal after loss and share what she learned with everyone who wants to heal too. Rachel has spent over a decade making good on her promise and has helped hundreds of clients build a meaningful and purposeful life after loss.
Find out more on Rachel’s website: thegriefgal.com
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About this week’s episodeWelcome to a special series of podcast episodes in honor of the 10th anniversary of my first book, Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple, published in 2014. To mark this milestone, I’m reconnecting with the same parents I initially interviewed for the book, offering a unique opportunity to revisit their stories and gain a deeper understanding of their journeys—now, with the perspective of a decade.
The month of October was Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, this series is dedicated to showcasing how grieving parents have coped with their loss and trauma over the years. These episodes aim to offer a long-term view of life after the loss of a pregnancy or infant, providing comfort, insight and hope to those who may still be navigating their grief.
Additionally, I’m excited to offer Healing Steps, my audio course, at 25% off. I decided to extend this offer for another two months until the end of December. Use the coupon code HSOCT24 to access the course and begin your journey toward healing.
About this week’s guestAlexa Bigwarte is Kathryn’s mother.
Here is what Alexa shared in response to the biggest things that have changed about your grief over the 10 years: “Everything. My loss was relatively new when we first talked, now it's been almost 13 years. I see grief through a different lens. It's not raw anymore; my focus is completely on healing and continuing to heal, not staying stuck in the pain.”
Alexa Bigwarfe is an author, speaker, publishing cons
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About this week’s episodeI first encountered Tina Hedin through her poignant article 'We Didn’t Know It Was the Last Time' in The New York Times, where she shared the heart-wrenching story of her daughter Kiki's death. The raw emotion and profound grief expressed in her writing resonated deeply with me, touching a place of empathy and connection that few pieces ever have. Tina's ability to articulate the indescribable pain of losing a child, while also conveying a sense of resilience, left a lasting impact on me. Her story moved me personally and inspired me to invite her as a guest for the podcast.
About this week’s guestTina Hedin has reinvented herself many times. From punk rocker to textile designer, graphic artist to homeschooling mom, from entrepreneur to writer, she has let curiosity lead her evolution.
In the early 2000s, Tina, her husband Eric, and their young daughter Kiki, left suburban Florida to travel America. They lived and worked on the road for four years, eventually settling in New Hampshire.
In 2023, Kiki died at the age of 25 from a food allergy reaction. Following Kiki’s death, Tina closed her small business and focused on writing as a way to learn to live with grief.
Recently, Tina and Eric returned to a nomadic life, traveling the US full-time in an RV, and volunteering in state parks.
Tina has been published in the New York Times and writes about travel and learning to live with grief in her Substack newslet
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About this week’s episodeI first connected with today's podcast guest Whitney through her heartfelt and courageous posts on Instagram. Her vulnerability in sharing her journey through grief deeply resonated with me because we both realized, through our own traumatic experiences, that there isn’t enough conversation around grief and trauma. Like her, many of my clients aren’t prepared for the overwhelming emotions they face, making the process even harder. This shared understanding fuels my work every day—I show up to talk about grief because I don't want anyone to feel the same sense of isolation or confusion that so many do. And so does Whitney. Both of us are passionate about creating more space for these conversations and ensuring others know they aren’t alone in their journey.
About this week’s guestWhitney Lyn Allen is first and foremost mama to her sons, Jackson (6) and Leo (2). She practiced law as a medical malpractice defense attorney for ten years before her husband had a severe reaction to a bee sting and sustained a severe brain injury, subsequently resulting in his death. Whitney decided to turn her pain into purpose and followed her new calling to serve others who are also experiencing grief and trauma and share her vulnerable and personal grief journey with others. She is the author of the book about grief and life after loss titled, Running in Trauma Stilettos, an Amazon Best Seller. Whitney is also a certified grief educator and provides grief coaching to those ready for their transformation and growth after loss. She shares the empowering message that
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Welcome again to the How to Deal With Grief and Trauma Podcast Season 10.
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Today marks a significant milestone as we step into the 10th series of the podcast, and this season we celebrate a landmark achievement—our 100th episode!
Let's have a look back at the most popular episodes so far:
This season, we’re welcoming back grieving parents who shared their stories with me over a decade ago during the interviews for my first book, Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple. That book recently celebrated its 10th anniversary, and as we hear from these parents again, we’ll learn how their journeys have evolved over the years and how they continue to live with loss and love.
This season, I’ll explore how our nervous system processes traumatic loss and what happens when grief and trauma intertwine. I'll share some more insights from Polyvagal Theory and how this understanding can help you partner your body to regulate itself.
Season 10 of the podcast will restart next Monday with e
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About this week’s episodeWelcome to a special series of podcast episodes in honour of the 10th anniversary of my first book, Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple, published in 2014. To mark this milestone, I’m reconnecting with the same parents I initially interviewed for the book, offering a unique opportunity to revisit their stories and gain a deeper understanding of their journeys—now, with the perspective of a decade.
In recognition of October being Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, this series is dedicated to showcasing how grieving parents have coped with their loss and trauma over the years. These episodes aim to offer a long-term view of life after the loss of a pregnancy or infant, providing comfort, insight and hope to those who may still be navigating their grief.
Additionally, I’m excited to offer Healing Steps, my audio course, at 25% off this month. Use the coupon code HSOCT24 to access the course and begin your journey toward healing.
About this week’s guestKiley Hanish is Norbert’s mother.
Kiley shares with us: “Ten years ago, I was just at the beginning of my healing journey. Everything has changed since then. I have processed my loss, integrated into my being, found community with other loss parents, and become an advocate for change through Return to Zero: HOPE.” (Check out the link.)
Resources mentioned in this episode* The Land After Loss metaphor appears in another episode (
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About this week’s episodeWelcome to a special series of podcast episodes in honour of the 10th anniversary of my first book, Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple, published in 2014. To mark this milestone, I’m reconnecting with the same parents I initially interviewed for the book, offering a unique opportunity to revisit their stories and gain a deeper understanding of their journeys—now, with the perspective of a decade.
In recognition of October being Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, this series is dedicated to showcasing how grieving parents have coped with their loss and trauma over the years. These episodes aim to offer a long-term view of life after the loss of a pregnancy or infant, providing comfort, insight and hope to those who may still be navigating their own grief.
Additionally, I’m excited to offer Healing Steps, my audio course, at 25% off this month. Use the coupon code HSOCT24 to access the course and begin your journey toward healing.
About this week’s guestMartina Sandles is Hannah’s mother, who would have been 39 years old this year. Here is what she shares with me all these years later: “Quite a few of my friends had weddings or became grandparents and are involved with a little once again. I am grieving the lost dream of all those milestones we didn't get to experience with her, and I still wonder what kind of woman she would have been and what path in life she would have chosen. We could see characteristics emerging and loved her personality, traits I feel we
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About this week’s episodeWelcome to a special series of podcast episodes in honor of the 10th anniversary of my first book, Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple, published in 2014. To mark this milestone, I’m reconnecting with the same parents I initially interviewed for the book, offering a unique opportunity to revisit their stories and gain a deeper understanding of their journeys—now, with the perspective of a decade.
In recognition of October being Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, this series is dedicated to showcasing how grieving parents have coped with their loss and trauma over the years. These episodes aim to offer a long-term view of life after the loss of a pregnancy or infant, providing comfort, insight and hope to those who may still be navigating their own grief.
Additionally, I’m excited to offer Healing Steps, my audio course, at 25% off this month. Use the coupon code HSOCT24 to access the course and begin your own journey toward healing. (https://www.griefandtraumaacademy.com/healing-steps-course)
About this week’s guestHelping people through grief is Rachel’s passion. After her twin baby daughters Aubrey and Ellie died in 2008, she made a promise to them that she’d learn how to heal after loss and share what she learned with everyone who wants to heal too. Rachel has spent more than a decade making good on her promise and has helped hundreds of clients build a meaningful and purposeful life after loss.
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About this week’s episodeI first encountered Mary Catherine McDonald through her powerful presence on social media, where she consistently shares insightful perspectives on trauma and healing. Her way of showing up with authenticity and clarity immediately drew me in. I was further captivated when I heard her speak in several podcasts and at a recent online trauma conference, where her depth of knowledge and her insights left a lasting impression. Mary Catherine’s ability to articulate the complexities of trauma while offering hope and practical guidance has encouraged me to invite her onto the podcast as a guest.
Her definition of trauma, which I love, is:
Trauma is an unbearable emotional experience that lacks a relational home.
About this week’s guestMary Catherine (MC) McDonald, PhD, is a research professor and life coach who specializes in the psychology of trauma, stress, and resilience. She has been researching, lecturing, and publishing on the neuroscience, psychology, and lived experience of trauma and stress for over a decade. She is passionate about destigmatizing trauma, stress, and mental health issues in general, as well as reframing our understanding of trauma in order to better understand and treat it.
Resources mentioned in this episode* Episode with Deb Dana: bit.ly/PodDeb * Episode with Dr Mary-Frances O'Connor: bit.ly/PodMary * Episode about Grief Dreams: bit.ly/PodJoshua
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About this week’s episodeWelcome to today's episode of our podcast where we look at how to build resilience when dealing with grief, loss or trauma.
When people hear the word, they often think of strength, bouncing back quickly, or being unaffected by hardship. But in the context of grief, loss, and trauma, resilience can look very different—it’s not about avoiding pain or pretending that everything is okay.
What is Resilience?
Resilience is the ability to continue functioning, even when life feels overwhelming. It’s about adapting to change and hardship in a way that allows you to keep moving forward, even if it’s at your own pace. It doesn’t mean you won’t feel the sadness, anger, or pain. In fact, resilience means you allow yourself to feel those emotions and still find a way to live through them.
In this episode, I want to share with you five practical ways to continue building resilience, no matter where you are in your journey of healing. These are simple, easy-to-follow steps that can help strengthen that inner part of you that’s already doing the work of surviving, processing, and adapting.
Remember, building resilience is a process, and there’s no rush. Take it day by day, and trust that you have the inner strength to weather the storm.
Resources mentioned in this episode* Episode 40: Trauma and Its Impact on the Nervous System
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About this week’s episodeDeb Dana’s influence first started with her publications and her online workshops, through which she allowed me insights into Polyvagal Theory from a therapist's standpoint. Then, I had the privilege of meeting Deb personally during the Polyvagal Conference in Berlin, an experience that deeply impacted me personally and professionally. Her work on the Polyvagal Theory resonated with me profoundly, offering new insights into the connection between the nervous system and emotional well-being. Deb's compassionate approach and groundbreaking research helped me understand the importance of creating safety and connection in therapeutic settings. Her influence has shaped my practice, allowing me to support my clients more effectively, while also guiding my own journey towards greater self-awareness and emotional resilience.
In this episode, Deb shares how she dealt with the recent death of her husband Bob and takes us through how we can trust our nervous system to guide the way through grief.
About this week’s guestDeb Dana, LCSW, is a clinician, consultant, author and speaker. Her work is focused on using the lens of Polyvagal Theory to understand and resolve the impact of trauma. She delves into the intricacies of how we can use an understanding of the organizing principles of Polyvagal Theory to change the ways we navigate our daily lives. Deb is well known for translating Polyvagal Theory into a language and application that is both clear and accessible and for her significant contribution pioneering Rhythm of Regulation® methodology, tools, techniques and practices which continue to open up the power of Polyvagal Theory for professionals and curious people from diverse backgrounds and all walks of life.
Deb’s published work includes The Polyvagal Theory in Therapy: Engaging the Rhythm of Regulation, Polyvagal Practices: Anchoring the Self in Safety, the Polyvagal Card Deck, and Anchored: How to Befriend Your Nervous System Using Polyvagal Theory.
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About this week’s episodeWelcome to today's episode of our podcast. Inspired by a clip I saw on Instagram where Elizabeth Gilbert speaks about the two distinctly different experiences, I feel it’s important to say a bit more.
We’re going to dive into understanding the intricacies of emotional health, specifically focusing on the differences between grief and depression. These are often conflated, but they are distinct experiences that require different approaches for effective support and management.
I’ve personally wrestled with both grief and depression at different stages of my life. My journey through these challenging emotional landscapes taught me a lot, and I hope to share some of that insight with you today.
Resources mentioned in this episode* Episode 40: Trauma and Its Impact on the Nervous System
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About this week’s episodeToday I have the pleasure of speaking with Stephanie, who I know from a community we both are a part of. I also had the pleasure of reading her book on a specific form of grief, a topic that interests me due to personal reasons. So today we're going to dive into a very widely experienced topic, but not as widely spoken about or understood. Ambiguous grief stands for the grief that is experienced after the loss of a relationship with someone but not through death.
I can't wait to hear Stephanie telling us all she’s got to know since her own personal experience with ambiguous grief.
About this week’s guest Joshua Black Stephanie Sarazin is a writer, researcher, and ambiguous grief guide, who aims to support those grieving the loss of a loved one who is still living, but no longer as they once were. Her work began with her own experience of mid-life trauma, which sparked an ambitious journey— spiritually and around the world—to understand, name, and heal the grief she found within her. Her efforts revealed a first-of-its-kind definition for “ambiguous grief,” whereby grief is onset by the loss of a loved one who is still living and wherein the experience of hope presents in the grieving process. She is the author of Soulbroken: A Guidebook For Your Journey Through Ambiguous Grief, which won the 2023 Nautilus Books Gold Award in the category of grief and loss.
Resources mentioned in this episode Stephanie’s book Soulbroken: A Guidebook For Your Journey Through Ambiguous Grief*
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About this week’s episodeIn this episode, I will highlight commonly used metaphors for grief and trauma. Metaphors can offer a way to articulate complex emotions and experiences and offer a unique perspective to support those coping with loss and trauma.
Of the 10 most commonly used metaphors, I describe five in more detail this week and the remaining five can be found in episode 81.
Which one of the grief metaphors described do you relate to the most and why?
Do you have any other metaphors that helped you navigate your grief and trauma? Let us know! Write a comment here on the blog.
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Resources mentioned in this episode· IG Post about the Grief Crystal: bit.ly/GriefCrystal
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About this week’s episodeIn this episode, I will highlight commonly used metaphors for grief and trauma. Metaphors can offer a way to articulate complex emotions and experiences and offer a unique perspective to support those coping with loss and trauma.
Of the 10 most commonly used metaphors, I describe five in more detail this week and the remaining five in the next episode.
Which one of the grief metaphors described do you relate to the most and why?
Do you have any other metaphors that helped you navigate your grief and trauma? Let us know! Write a comment here on the blog.
The Top 10 Metaphors for Understanding Grief:
Resources mentioned in this episode· IG Post about the Grief Crystal: bit.ly/GriefCrystal
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About this week’s episodeI have known Trish for a couple of years. From the beginning, it was obvious: that Trish and Mr. Benjamin had a deep connection. Benjamin was part of everything and everywhere she went. He supported her in every way possible. They were inseparable. It comes as no surprise that Benjamin's death just five months ago left her in despair. Trish’s heart was broken, and her life was missing the most essential ingredient: Her most trusted friend and companion, Golden Retriever Benjamin.
About this week’s guest Patricia A. Muehsam, MD, a pioneer in the synthesis of science, holistic health, and contemporary spirituality, has been a thought leader in the alternative medicine movement. She forged new ground that led to the establishment of the Office of Alternative Medicine at the National Institutes of Health in the USA, endeavors that transformed the landscape of healthcare options today.
Dr. Trish has distinguished herself as a practitioner, educator, research scientist, and award-winning author. She founded the American Medical Colleges’ first initiative in alternative medicine, leading medical schools throughout the United States and the world to add courses in the field. Her original bioelectromagnetic research investigated distant healer phenomena and homeopathy.
Dr Trish’s award-winning book, Beyond Medicine: A Physician’s Revolutionary Prescription for Achieving Absolute Health and Finding Inner Peace, has been hailed as the “only health and healing book you may ever need.”
She offers health consultations, mind-body healing sessions, online courses, and communities of support.
Resources mentioned in this episode Dr Trish’s book: Beyond Medicine*
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About this week’s episodeI know Joshua from being the host of his podcast called Grief Dreams where you can find him talking to numerous people about their grief dreams that they had after one of their deceased loved ones passed, as well as pets. I found the topic of grief dreams fascinating as I had my own series of grief dreams following the death of my mother which came one after, not every night, but every so often and they were like different episodes in the series on Netflix, and they lasted for months. And maybe we're going to talk about this a little bit more, but I'm interested in what Joshua can tell me about his view and his research about it. If you haven't heard of Joshua, don't worry because in today's episode, I'm going to ask him all the questions that you might interested in as well. Let's see where this takes us today.
About this week’s guest Joshua Black, PhD, is a grief and bereavement researcher, speaker, and host of the Grief Dreams Podcast. Most of his published work has focused on dreams and continuing bonds after loss, including prenatal and pet loss. As one of the leading academic experts in grief dreams, which can be dreams of the deceased, Dr. Black has directed his efforts to raise awareness about this fascinating phenomenon through media interviews, speaking engagements, and workshops. In addition to his website (Griefdreams.ca), you can find him active on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram (@griefdreams). Dr Black currently works as the Bereavement Initiative Manager for the BC Centre for Palliative Care, where he is leading bereavement-related research. His long-term research goals are to continue to serve and raise awareness of those who are bereaved and who are not being provided the necessary grief support.
Resources mentioned in this episode* Grief Dreams Podcast
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About this week’s episodeYou might remember Amber as my guest from episode number 27 where we spoke about the way she dealt with the loss of her husband, Tim, when she was just 32 years old. Since then, a lot has happened in Amber's life and today we are going to talk about the accidental trauma she had to deal with just over 6 months ago. She survived a fall from a zipline, but she will tell us more about this in her own words. What inspired me to ask Amber to be my guest again is the way she is dealing with trauma and grief. She is a beacon of light and a living model of finding joy in life and admitting its hardship. I admire her and her ability to pick herself off, dust herself off and start all over again – as in Nat King Cole’s song.
About this week’s guest Amber Jackson is a single mom of four (one with special needs) and a divorce survivor, cancer widow, fun-seeker, and lover of all things having to do with kitchen dance parties and cheesecake. She is a certified public speaker and loves speaking to women and teens about finding joy in the unexpected. Life’s challenges haven’t stopped her from living life to the fullest. Amber is a self-proclaimed life enthusiast and is determined to see everything that life has to offer, including the bad, as something she can learn from. She has a huge appreciation for life and all the things that make one happy. She believes that all lights twinkle, that there can be magic laced in music and there is strength in even the smallest of breaths.
Resources mentioned in this episodeIf you need personal support dealing with your trauma, please visit Nathalie's website for more resources: https://nathaliehimmelrich.com/
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About this week's episodeI found Dr. Kate Truitt on social media through her connections with two of my previous podcast guests and we probably have even more mutual connections than that. Our shared interest and her latest new book release where she shares about her personal journey through loss and trauma, obviously made me curious. Speaking with someone like Kate who has similar interests in the main two topics of this podcast is more than a synchronicity and I hope you benefit from today's session as much as I'm looking forward to having this time with Kate.
About this week's guestDr. Kate Truitt, a clinical psychologist and applied neuroscientist, is internationally recognized for her expertise in trauma, stress, and resilience. She is the founder of the educational platform Truitt Institute and leads her award-winning clinical team at Dr. Kate Truitt & Associates. As a member of the Goldie Hawn Foundation’s MindUP Scientific Advisory Committee and a Developer of the Havening Techniques, Dr. Truitt passionately advocates for mental health literacy and empowerment globally. With an impressive social media following of over 140,000 as well as viewership and readership of over 4 million, and as the author of Keep Breathing: A Psychologist’s Intimate Journey Through Loss, Trauma, and Rediscovering Life and Healing in Your Hands: Self-Havening Exercises to Harness Neuroplasticity, Heal Traumatic Stress, and Build Resilience, she is dedicated to destigmatizing mental health and fostering resilience worldwide.
Resources mentioned in this episode: Kate's latest book: Keep Breathing: A Psychologist’s Intimate Journey Through Loss, Trauma, and Rediscovering Life*
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About this week's episodeDavid Kessler’s name is known worldwide in relation to grief and probably does not require an introduction as a guest. If you have been dealing with grief and diving into the literature, you will have most likely come across his name. I had the chance to meet David through mutual connections more than a year ago and I've been touched by his genuine nature and the passion with which he has been serving the community of the bereaved for a long time now. Personally, I have read many of his books. David also offers a lot of free resources both to grieving people as well as to clinicians. I'm honoured to bring you David as a guest today and I hope together we will have the chance to hear a lot more of his personal stories and benefit from his professional wisdom.
About this week's guestDavid Kessler is one of the world's foremost experts on grief and loss. His experience with thousands of people on the edge of life and death has taught him the secrets of living a happy and fulfilled life, even after life tragedies. He's the author of six books, including his latest best-selling book, Finding Meaning: The Sixth Stage of Grief. He co-authored 2 books, Elizabeth Kuebler, Ross, Life Lessons and On Grieve and Grieving, updating her five stages for grief. He also co-wrote You Can Heal Your Heart with Louise Hay and he authored Vision, Trips and Crowded Rooms: Who and What You See Before You Die. His first book, The Needs of the Dying, received praise from Saint Mother Teresa. He has a new online model of grief support called Tender Hearts, with over 25 groups each, as well as one of the most respected grief certification programs. He's the founder of Grief.com.
Resources mentioned in this episode: Nathalie’s book: Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple*
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Welcome again to the How to Deal With Grief and Trauma Podcast Season 7.
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This upcoming season is full of amazing guests. Some of these you will know as they have been speaking about grief and trauma for many years and are world-renowned experts. Others might be less widely known but they have equally important aspects to share about how to deal with grief and trauma.
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About this week’s episodeIf you've been drawn to this episode, it might be due to the title containing one of the most searched-for topics or due to the name of my guest. Diana Richardson is widely known due to her many books that span multiple pages if you look on Amazon which have been translated into various languages.
For me, however, the connection was made due to our common friend, Janet McGeever.
I feel lucky to count Diana, also known as Puja, as a friend. I've known her personally for more than 10 years and I have had the chance to sit in her presence multiple times when she was teaching women’s and couples’ retreats as well as just the two of us over a cup of tea. She’s the embodiment of the wise woman Archetype: She possesses and has embraced feminine energy and is also in touch with masculine energy and its qualities, her life is spiritually centred, with her in full mastery of her body, heart, and spirit. In touch with her feelings, she allows herself to feel fully and experience life. And, most of all, she uses her life experience to teach in the area of life that is central: intimate relationships and sexuality.
About this week's guest Diana Richardson (aka Puja) was born in KwaZulu, South Africa. She has a Law Degree from University of Natal, Durban, and been a teacher of therapeutic massage since 1978. In 1979 she became a disciple of the Indian mystic Osho. Soon after she began a personal enquiry into Tantra inspired by Osho and Barry Long. Diana Richardson is one of today’s leading authorities on human sexuality. She has been teaching couples her highly effective 'Love Keys' together with her partner Michael since 1993. She has written 8 books on Tantra, two with Michael as co-author. Diana deals with the essence of Tantra - the union of sex and meditation - and how in practical ways a person can experience a more fulfilling love life.
Resources mentioned in this episode:* Diana’s books * E42: Sexuality and Relationships in the Context of Grief, Loss and Trauma
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About this week’s episodeIf you’ve been listening to the How to Deal with Grief and Trauma Podcast for a while you will have heard me or our guests speak about the term ACEs, short for Adverse Childhood Experiences before. Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) are traumatic experiences that children experience before the age of 18 that can have lasting impacts on their mental health, physical health, and general well-being. As a psychological therapist and grief and trauma expert, I am faced with people’s life experiences on a daily basis and can see the impact and effect Adverse Childhood Experiences have on a person’s life, both past and present.
About this week’s guest Marc Hauser’s scientific research, including over 300 published papers and seven books, has focused on how the brain evolves, develops, and is altered by damage and neurodevelopmental disorders, with an emphasis on the processes of learning and decision-making, as well as the impact of traumatic experiences on development. His educational and consulting work has focused on the implementation of quantitative, brain-based methods for teachers, clinicians, and doctors working with children who have different disabilities, including especially those that result from a history of traumatic experiences.
Marc has earned a Bachelor of Science degree from Bucknell University, a PhD from UCLA and Post-doctoral fellowships from the University of Michigan, Rockefeller University, and University of California-Davis. For almost 20 years he was a Professor at Harvard University. In 2013, he founded the company Risk-Eraser, dedicated to providing software and consulting to programs focusing on students in special education.
Resources mentioned in this episode: Marc’s book: Vulnerable Minds: The Harm of Childhood Trauma and the Hope of Resilience*
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About this week’s episodeMany motherless daughters or motherless mothers will have heard of Hope Edelman, who has written books to support bereaved women worldwide for many, many years. Her book Motherless Daughters was written almost 30 years ago and to this day it is being recommended to women, young or old, who are dealing with the loss of their mothers. More than that, I had the chance to meet Hope through mutual connections more than a year ago, and I've been touched by her gentleness and the passion with which she serves her community of bereaved women. 12 1/2 years ago I lost both my mother and my daughter in the time of 4 1/2 months. So, this upcoming conversation is very dear to my heart.
About this week’s guest Hope Edelman is the author of eight nonfiction books, including the bestsellers Motherless Daughters and Motherless Mothers, and The AfterGrief: Finding Your Way Along the Long Arc of Loss. Her books have been published in 17 countries and 11 languages and have sold over 1 million copies.
Hope speaks at venues and conferences worldwide and has taught nonfiction writing for more than 25 years. Her articles and essays have been published widely, including in The New York Times, The Washington Post, Psychology Today, Parade, Real Simple, and CNN.com.
She is a certified life coach with additional training in narrative therapy and trauma support services. In 2020 she was the recipient of the prestigious ADEC Community Educator award. As the founder and CEO of MotherlessDaughters.com, she creates and leads online support groups, in-person retreats, webinars, and Mother's Day programs that reach thousands of women each year.
Resources mentioned in this episode: Hope’s book: Motherless Daughters: The Legacy of Loss* * Mother’s Day Luncheon and Conference – Check info on Hope’s website
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About this week’s episodeFor today’s episode, I speak with Emma who I’ve met through email as she reached out to me as a podcast listener, where she shared about her multiple significant losses. Something in her email touched me and interested me. I felt that her specific story – the combination of grieving a child at the same time as grieving her husband and the father of their child - would be very interesting to share in an episode in the hope of fostering a community of widowed parents grieving a child.
About this week’s guest Emma is a Brit who has been living in France, just outside Geneva, for the past 25 years. She grew up in Brussels in the 1970s and 1980s then headed to the UK for university studies, specialising in organisational psychology - a field she still loves and works in as an independent practitioner. Between 2015 and 2019 Emma had a series of four significant losses - starting with her best male friend, Don; then her youngest brother, Edward; then her husband, Mike; and then their youngest child, Julia. It's been a lot. Too much. And yet the world keeps spinning and somehow life carries on. There is much to live for and much to enjoy about life. Emma still has her two surviving children, now young adults. There is a lovely new man in her life who goes by the name of Medjool (dates!) And at the time of writing, still has both parents, now in their mid-80s.
Resources mentioned in this episode:* Episode 64 with Turiya: Grief, Trauma, Essence Connection and Safety
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About this week’s episodeToday’s episode is a profound journey into the world of person-centred grief and trauma support.
To start you off right: I highly recommend downloading the 33-step guide from my website, a simple guide that will teach you to feel supported or give support while grieving. It contains the wisdom collection from my latest book Bridging the Grief Gap. If you want to find out more about it, check out my website.
Grief and trauma are universal experiences, yet deeply personal. Each journey through them is unique, but one thing remains constant—the need for empathy, understanding, and support. Today, we'll explore the challenges faced by those navigating these tumultuous waters and the people beside them, offering insights and strategies for meaningful support.
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Resources mentioned in this episode:* A simple 33-step guide on giving or feeling supported while grieving. * Episode overview page * Resources for grievers * Resources for supporters
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About this week’s episodeMary-Frances’s book The Grieving Brain has inspired me from the moment I started reading it. I recommend it to so many of my therapy clients who express a desire to understand grief – I’ve lost count. As a neuroscientist, she shares groundbreaking discoveries about what happens in our brain when we grieve, providing a new paradigm for understanding love, loss, and learning.
So I’m very excited today to be speaking with Mary-Frances, neuroscientist and author of the book The Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn from Love and Loss, and to find out even more about the science behind grief and all that Mary-Frances and her colleagues have researched in their lab.
I have been excitedly and patiently waiting for today’s episode to find out even more of my favourite topics: grief and trauma and to have Mary-Frances enlighten our brains on those topics in a language that we can all understand.
About this week’s guestMary-Frances O’Connor, PhD is an Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Arizona, where she directs the Grief, Loss and Social Stress (GLASS) Lab.
Her research focuses on the physiological correlates of emotion, in particular, the wide range of physical and emotional responses during bereavement, including yearning and isolation. She believes that a clinical science approach toward the experience and mechanisms of grieving can improve interventions for prolonged grief disorder, newly included in the revised DSM-5.
Resources mentioned in this episode: Mary-Frances’ book: The Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn from Love and Loss*
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About this week’s episodeI first met Helen when I was being a guest on her podcast called The Beautiful Side of Grief and in my opinion, we connected on a deeper level. As you can guess from the title of her podcast, Helen is also fluent in the language of grief and loss. After losing her 18-year-old daughter and only child, Helen has managed to create new meaning in a way that inspired me. Not because of her loss but despite it.
So here we go: For today's episode, we've got two podcast hosts, two bereaved mothers who have made it their lives' mission to bring hope and meaning into life after loss. Not just their own, but also to those people they touch with their messages.
About this week’s guestHelen Morris hosts a podcast called The Beautiful Side of Grief and is a certified Emotion Code and Body Code practitioner based out of Rotorua, New Zealand. She came across this healing modality after tragically losing her 18-year-old daughter, and only child, in a motor vehicle accident in 2017. Prior to this, she worked in the health sector in Health Intelligence, supporting general practices in Hawke’s Bay with national health initiatives and programs. In March of 2021, Helen launched a podcast called The Beautiful Side of Grief where she interviews guests who have moved through heart-wrenching loss or those who are at the coalface supporting this process. It is diverse, and heart-warming, though most of all it is positive and filled with go-tos for anyone experiencing to use. She is also about to launch an 8-week grief support resource called A Letter of Hope & Aroha.
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About this week’s episodeI’m very excited about this week’s guest: Hospice Nurse Julie. I found her on social media, like many of her followers do, where she shares openly about death and dying. In Julia, I found another friend who is friends with death. In this episode, you will learn so much about what happens in the dying process and truly understand that there is nothing to fear, as it says in Julie's upcoming book.
About this week’s guest Julie McFadden, BSN, RN has been a nurse for 15 years. Julie is an experienced ICU and is now a Hospice/Palliative Nurse. Julie has been featured in Newsweek, USA Today, The Atlantic, and several other articles worldwide. Julie has been passionate about normalizing death through education to the masses using social media. Her TikTok has 1.4M followers, and you can find her on all social media platforms (Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube) at Hospice Nurse Julie.
Resources mentioned in this episode: * Julie's upcoming book: Nothing to Fear: Demystifying Death to Live More Fully * David Kessler: Visions, Trips and Crowded Rooms * Barbara Karnes: The Final Act of Living
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About this week’s episodeAfter last week's conversation with Dr. Frank Anderson (S7 E65), where he shed light on his first-hand experience of the trauma he experienced throughout his childhood, I thought we could benefit from understanding the background of developmental trauma in more depth.
So today, we're exploring this critical yet often misunderstood topic. We'll unravel what it is, its causes, how it manifests at different stages of life, and most importantly, how we can navigate through it, highlighting the resilience of the human spirit along the way.
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About this week’s episodeI have been personally impressed by Dr. Frank Anderson’s work for quite some time due to our shared interest in trauma. I’ve seen him speak with many other specialists, such as David Kessler or Matthias Barker, and feel like I already know him – or at least from those details that he shared openly so I’m very excited to bring you this week’s episode and a conversation I have been looking forward to having for months. Frank speaks about Developmental Trauma from both his personal experience as well as through the eyes of a professional trauma expert.
I hope you enjoy today’s episode as much as I do.
About this week’s guest Dr. Frank Anderson is a Harvard-educated psychiatrist, trauma specialist, and author of the upcoming memoir To Be Loved: A Story of Truth, Trauma, and Transformation. He is the go-to “Trauma Expert” and knows firsthand what it’s like to endure the pain. Dr. Anderson has spent the past three decades studying neuroscience and trauma treatment, working to heal trauma and bring more love, compassion, and unity to the world.
Resources mentioned in this episode: Dr. Frank Anderson’s first book: Transcending Trauma: Healing Complex PTSD with Internal Family Systems * Rick Hanson: Resilient: How to Grow an Unshakable Core of Calm, Strength, and Happiness * Angela Duckworth: Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance * Desmond Tutu: The Book of Forgiving: The Fourfold Path for Healing Ourselves and Our World*
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Welcome again to the How to Deal With Grief and Trauma Podcast Season 7.
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This upcoming season is full of amazing guests. Some of these you will know as they have been speaking about grief and trauma for many years and are world-renowned experts. Others might be less widely known but they have equally important aspects to share about how to deal with grief and trauma.
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About this week’s episodeTuriya has been one of the first guests on the podcast in season one, and her first episode has since then been the most listened to episode ever which has just reached over 1000 individual downloads over the last 18 months.
I love speaking with Turiya because we share a passion for healing from trauma and grief and understanding the self in a deeper sense. This is also why this is not just the second, but actually the third episode. Today we are going to delve into the connection between trauma and grief.
About this week’s guest Turiya is the co-founder of Path Retreats and the transformational process – Path of Love with Rafia Morgan. Together they also lead a one-year Holistic Counsellor training for therapists called Working with People – School of Counselling.
She has been trained in many different modalities such as Gestalt, Bioenergetics, Psychodrama, Family Therapy (V. Satir), NLP, Hypnosis, Somatic Experiencing™ (Peter Levine), Ego Psychology, Family Constellation, Enneagram and Astrology, and Essence Work.
Read more about Turiya's journey here on the website.
The sudden, unexpected death of her husband and the death of her beloved friend marked a turning point in Turiya’s life. These profound experiences with death deeply influenced her own personal search and how she works with people today.
Today Turiya has the joy of being a grandmother and spends her free time painting and is writing a book about the rising of the feminine and about Death as a friend and the realisation of Impermanence.
Resources mentioned in this episode:* Turiya’s other episodes: S1E4 and S3E26
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About this week’s episodeI came across Stephen and his film Life With Ghosts as part of a newsletter that a friend had forwarded me. I was so intrigued by the story behind the film that I decided to watch the film and listen to a panel discussion between key players in and around the documentary. You can go and watch it on the link provided in the show notes by offering your support in the form of a donation. Life With Ghosts has not yet officially been released. It’s been selected to broadcast on PBS, and for that to happen, they need to make a 56-minute version, which is why they are raising money via private screenings.
There is also a free short film version containing the basic information about the film’s featured therapy, Induced After-Death Communication. The film company believes it’s important to make this information available to everyone, regardless of their financial status.
About this week’s guest Stephen Z. Berkley is a writer, director, and producer. Stephen has worked in multiple capacities in the entertainment/media industry for over 30 years. He’s done everything from writing promotional copy at MTV Channel to drafting talent agreements for television legend Aaron Spelling. His most recent endeavor is the production of a documentary film entitled Life With Ghosts, written and directed with Christopher Seward of Fahrenheit 911 fame. The idea for a ghost story came unexpectantly with the death of Stephen’s father when shortly afterwards, his mother began reporting interactions with whom she believed to be his father’s ghost — a real-life Mrs. Muir situation. The film won multiple awards in the film festival circuit including Best Documentary. The final product is a seven-year investigation into the nature of true love and the science behind after-death communication.
· Website: www.lifewithghosts.com
Resources mentioned in this episode:· Ruth Montgomery: A Search for the Truth
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About this week’s episodeJulia Samuel has such vast knowledge in the realm of grief that I feel incredibly lucky to have her as a guest on the podcast. The understanding she can share from her over 30 years of experience is exceptional.
I’m sure that you will enjoy and learn a lot from today’s episode.
About this week’s guest Julia was Psychotherapist for Paediatrics at St Mary's Hospital Paddington, the post she established in 1992, where her role for 25 years involved seeing families who have children or babies who die, and where she trained and supported the staff. In 1994 she worked to help launch and establish The Child Bereavement Charity, and as the Founder Patron was involved in many aspects of the charity's work, having a key role in fundraising, strategy, and training for 25 years.
In 2016 Julia was awarded an MBE in recognition of her services to bereaved children and in 2017 Middlesex University awarded her an Honorary Doctorate. Later, Julia published her three books Grief Works, This Too Shall Pass, and Every Family Has a Story which all became Sunday Times bestsellers.
Most recently, Julia produced the Grief Works app and released her new podcast Therapy Works. She also has a private practice where she sees families and individuals.
I recommend you head over to the podcast website to find the gift for today’s episode filled with Julia’s wisdom and make sure to check out all the links in the show notes.
Resources mentioned in this episode: Julia’s book Grief Works: Stories of Life, Death and Surviving*
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About this week’s episodeCharlene impressed me through the creativity with which she dealt with the sudden loss of her mother. She used her professional background as a curator and brought it with her when she took the time to empty the dream house her mother spent the last years of her life. Charlene describes the process of carefully honoring and making decisions about physical objects holding memories and deciding how she wanted to remember her mother and supports others to do the same.
About this week’s guest Charlene Lam is a certified grief coach, speaker, and the founder of The Grief Gallery. After her mother died suddenly in 2013, Charlene leaned into her creativity and curatorial instincts to guide herself through grief. Since then, she’s curated and presented multiple exhibitions featuring the belongings of loved ones lost at international events in New York City, Los Angeles, Toronto, and London. Charlene believes we are ALL curators after a loved one dies, and developed her Curating Grief coaching framework to help people process grief in a creative, accessible way. She speaks about the power of creativity and storytelling for healthy grieving and post-traumatic growth. Originally from NYC, she's currently based in Lisbon, Portugal.
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About this week’s episodeLike Reid and Jon in the previous two episodes, Heidi has turned dealing with the loss, in her case the loss of her brother at a young age into purpose-driven work to support others. Heidi and her mother have created this amazing hub in the form of the Open to Hope Foundation, which has offered support in various ways for the past 20 years. Even before podcasts were a thing, they offered regular support through Open to Hope radio and TV shows. What this mother-daughter combo has created is a beautiful legacy of support in honor of their brother and son. Make sure to check it out!
About this week’s guest Dr. Heidi Horsley is a licensed psychologist, social worker, and bereaved sibling. She is the Executive Director of the Open to Hope Foundation and co-hosts the award-winning weekly cable television show and podcast, Open to Hope. Dr. Heidi is an Adjunct Professor at Columbia University, an award-winning author, and has a private practice in NYC. She has co-authored eight books and has been interviewed on numerous television and radio shows, including 20/20. She serves on the Advisory Boards for the Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors of military loss (TAPS), the Elisabeth Kubler-Ross Foundation, and Peace of Mind Afghanistan (POMA). In addition, for 10 years she worked for the FDNY-Columbia University Family Guidance Program, helping families of firefighters killed in the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks. Her psychology doctoral dissertation was on the sudden death of a sibling.
Resources mentioned in this episode: Book Viktor Frankl: Man’s Search for Meaning* * Nathalie on Open to Hope: https://www.opentohope.com/nathalie-himmelrich-peer-support-groups-fb-live/
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About this week’s episodeJon has blown me away from the moment we met and when he shared about what he was involved in:- For Grief.com - A resource hub for grievers to find what they individually need with their specific kind of grief. This was so meaningful to me as it was so much like the mission held in 2015, just before I was dealing with my first burnout, where I had envisaged the idea of creating a Google for grievers. Hearing Jon giving life to a vision I had in my mind was so touching. As mentioned last week I’m excited to speak to yet another man on the podcast and today we’ll find out from Jon how he turned his experience with the early death of his father into offering support through his purpose-driven work.
About this week’s guest After experiencing the passing of his father, Jon took a leap of faith to join the funeral profession in 2011. Since then, he has been dedicated to developing solutions that help families plan funerals in advance and offering support for people who are grieving the loss of loved ones. These efforts continue to grow through For Grief, as more people benefit from the support they need to experience comfort, connections, and peace as part of their journey. Jon lives in Utah with his wife and children.
Resources mentioned in this episode:* Domani Care
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I’m so glad that my next two guests on the podcast are men. Both are speaking about father loss, and both have created purpose-driven businesses after those losses supporting others. Reid experienced the loss of his father who died from suicide. Having experienced the loss of a significant male person in his life, Reid thought he knew how to handle this grief, when a few years later his stepfather died from cancer, but he had to experience it all again in a new and unexpected way. Why did he experience those two losses so differently? Find out from Reid telling his story. As this week’s podcast gift Reid offers one of the meditations that can also be received through his Grief Refuge App. Go to the podcast gift page on my website and enter the number of the episode in a word and you will receive the gift now.
About this week’s guest Reid Peterson is a grief companion and educator whose mission is to help people find peace and purpose after loss. He is the founder of Grief Refuge and the creator of the Grief Refuge app.
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About this week’s episodeKelly and her family went through different losses. Her daughter Adelaide whom she cared for while she lived a medically complex life died as a young child. Kelly and I talk about the complex topic of making a decision to take your child off life support and when to do this. She shares how she dealt with her grief at the time COVID came around, which kept her locked in and separate from her surroundings.
Hearing Joe Biden’s words: ‘To heal we must remember’ had a big impact on her grieving journey towards accepting her grief instead of fighting against it, and allowing herself to move forward by remembering.
About this week’s guest Kelly Cervantes is an award-winning writer, speaker, and advocate best known for her blog Inchstones, where she shared the stress, love, and joy that came with parenting her medically complex daughter, Adelaide. Since Adelaide’s passing, Kelly has continued to write candidly about her arduous and, at times, contradictory grief journey.
She has been published in the Chicago Tribune, the Chicago Sun-Times, and Cosmopolitan, as well as quoted in the New York Times, CNN, and People. She is the current board chair for the nonprofit CURE Epilepsy and hosts their biweekly podcast, Seizing Life, where she interviews scientists, doctors, and individuals affected by epilepsy. Kelly currently resides in Maplewood, NJ, with her husband, Miguel Cervantes currently starring in Hamilton on Broadway, four children, and their two dogs, Tabasco and Sriracha.
Website: normalbroken.com
Instagram: @ kellygc411
Facebook: www.facebook.com/kellygc411
Resources mentioned in this episode: Normal Broken* (Kelly Cervantes book)
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About this week’s episodeMindy has experienced multiple forms of grief: loss of health (cancer), unexplained infertility, loss of friends through death or life transitions, and pet loss. Having specialized in pet loss, Mindy says as a society we just don’t have the rituals and the support to support those who lost a pet in the same way we do when we lose a human being. As a therapist, she focuses on supporting clients after pet loss and shares with us what she has learned from those people dealing with their losses.
About this week’s guest Mindy Meiering, LCSW is a licensed therapist, certified coach, and mindfulness teacher who specializes in grief and loss. She began her career as a psychotherapist in 1995 and over the last three decades, she has supported countless individuals and families as they face serious illness, end-of-life issues, and other significant losses and life transitions. Despite her extensive experience with grief, she was blindsided by how devastated she felt after losing her first dog, Ellie. Her personal experience helped her understand how heartbreaking the loss of a pet can be and inspired her to become a Pet Loss & Grief Specialist and create the Rainbow Bridge Pet Loss Deck. She lives in Colorado with her husband and their two scruffy terriers, Izzy and Charlie.
Website: www.mindymeiering.com and www.rainbowbridgedeck.com
Instagram: @rainbowbridgedeck
Resources mentioned in this episode:* Rainbow Bridge Card Deck for pet loss
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About this week’s episode Emma lost her husband Barry through suicide. In the first part of the episode, Emma candidly shares how she dealt with his death while living in a foreign country, without any family around. She describes how people reacted to the suicide and stopped being in contact with her. Ten years after Barry’s death, attending their best friend’s funeral she reconnected with so many people and one after the other apologized for not knowing what to say or do. This meeting changed Emma’s life and led to the creation of Help Texts, which supports grievers after all kinds of losses. I’m not easily recommending grief resources, but I will absolutely put my hand up for this amazing support and have provided my expertise and the content of my grief books to be used in Help Texts. So I am a proud supporter – Go check out Help Text here: helptexts.com/griefandtrauma and get a discount if you’d like to sign up.
About this week’s guest Emma Payne is a seasoned technology entrepreneur and MIT graduate who started building online communities before Netscape was born. She is the founder and CEO of Help Texts, a game-changing SaaS, short for software as a service, business that delivers ongoing, accessible, expert grief and mental health support globally, via text message. Every single day, Emma combines her personal grief experience and her more than 25 years in the tech space to provide people with thoughtful, practical support that really works. Straight to their phones.
Website: helptexts.com
Instagram: @help.texts
Facebook: www.facebook.com/helptexts
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/helptexts
Resources mentioned in this episode:· Bridging the Grief Gap (The latest book by Nathalie Himmelrich)
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About this week’s episode I met this week’s guest Julia through Instagram, where she candidly shares about stigmatized loss and widowhood. I felt intrigued by what and how Julia shares and clearly felt that we need to know and understand more about this topic. Her husband’s way of dying brings about people’s judgments and ideas, often without looking a bit deeper behind the veil. I invite you to be mindful of your thoughts and feelings and investigate your own assumptions when listening to today’s episode.
If you'd like to know more about stigmatized loss, go to the website and find the podcast gifts page. There you can download Julia’s e-book about the topic. Simply enter the podcast number – as in a word – where it asks you for the password.
About this week’s guest Julia became a widow on September 1, 2021, when her husband, Doug, succumbed to his lifelong battle with addiction and died of an accidental overdose. This left her a solo mom of two young boys, with a deeply unregulated nervous system, a burning desire to live life fully in his absence, and a passion to help many women just like her along the way by sharing her truth. She is deeply passionate about speaking about the intricate layers that come along with losing someone to addiction to help educate others and soften the stigma while providing a safe landing for those looking for support as they navigate stigmatized loss and widowhood.
As a trauma-informed yoga teacher with extensive training in guided meditation, energy work, yogic philosophy, as well as nervous system regulation and somatics, she helps her clients find healing by teaching them how to get in touch with their bodies, their emotions, and the felt sense through gentle somatic work and support.
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About this week’s episode Today’s episode is about the impact of pet loss. Pet loss often goes unacknowledged, is compared with other losses, or is met with statements that invalidate the grief that is experienced. ‘It was just a cat’ and other unhelpful comments minimize the real experience of grief pet owners go through. Both Erica and I describe the connection we had with our cats and how their loss affected us. Erica’s cat Wolfgang had such an impact on her life and when he died, she could not find suitable support to help her navigate grief, so she created a beautiful card deck. Erica’s mission is to support others in dealing with pet loss and normalize pet loss grief as a valid sort of grief.
About this week’s guest After the sudden passing of her cat, Wolfgang, Erica couldn’t find a simple product to help her cope, so she created her own: Pet Loss Grieving Cards. Thus, her company Wolfie’s Wish was born. Grieving Cards have since won “Best New Product” at the Superzoo tradeshow. When she’s not paw-sitively rocking it in her business, Erica enjoys performing pop and rock covers on her harp or scratching and mixing on the turntables.
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Resources mentioned in this episode:* Pet Loss Grieving Cards
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About this week’s episode This amazing conversation with James Fish Gill from Australia comes to you in the form of a double episode. Fish, as he refers to himself, has so much wisdom to share, I already knew from before we started recording that it would not fit into the usual 45 minutes of this podcast. I knew Fish from Instagram, where I became intrigued with his approach of conscious communication. Listening to some of the podcasts where he had been a guest, I’ve been so drawn to what he shared in his capacity as a coach and through his unique approach.
In episode 51 and 52 he takes us through how he dealt with his own grief, using the approach of conscious communication with himself: first he honestly acknowledged and validated all his thoughts, then felt into the actual emotional experience. From there, he entered the field of his yearning, and the longing in his heart which he recognized and honored, even when it – in the case of his loss – could not be met. Bringing loving awareness to the whole experience, without wanting to change it, makes every component of the experience matter.
Fish says we are not usually bringing loving awareness, but we are trained to respond to pain by usually dismissing, minimizing, comparing, assigning fault, understanding, or fixing when what it actually needs is validating it.
Ok, I won’t say more but I can promise you with certainty that if you listened to one episode, you would want to listen to the other too.
About this week’s guest James Gill (aka ‘Fish’) is a heart coach, yoga teacher and transformational facilitator based in Australia and working internationally. He is committed to the global spread of conscious communication practices that enable all beings to experience love in every moment which appears to have gone missing.
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Resources mentioned in this episode:* The Guest House, poem by Jelaluddin Rumi
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This amazing conversation with James Fish Gill from Australia comes to you in the form of a double episode. Fish, as he refers to himself, has so much wisdom to share, I already knew before we started recording that it would not fit into the usual 45 minutes of this podcast. I knew Fish from Instagram, where I became intrigued with his approach of conscious communication. Listening to some of the podcasts where he had been a guest, I’ve been so drawn to what he shared in his capacity as a coach and through his unique approach.
In episode 51 and 52 he takes us through how he dealt with his own grief, using the approach of conscious communication with himself: first he honestly acknowledged and validated all his thoughts, then felt into the actual emotional experience. From there, he entered the field of his yearning, and the longing in his heart which he recognized and honored, even when it – in the case of his loss – could not be met. Bringing loving awareness to the whole experience, without wanting to change it, makes every component of the experience matter.
Fish says we are not usually bringing loving awareness, but we are trained to respond to pain by usually dismissing, minimizing, comparing, assigning fault, understanding, or fixing when what it actually needs is validating it.
Ok, I won’t say more but I can promise you with certainty that if you listened to one episode, you would want to listen to the other too.
About this week’s guest James Gill (aka ‘Fish’) is a heart coach, yoga teacher and transformational facilitator based in Australia and working internationally. He is committed to the global spread of conscious communication practices that enable all beings to experience love in every moment which appears to have gone missing.
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Resources mentioned in this episode:* The Guest House, poem by Jelaluddin Rumi
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About this week’s episode Rachel was my first guest on the podcast so I’m excited to have her back for episode number 50 – halfway to 100. She shares how she supports the bereaved with her tried and true methods which she found to be helpful in her own personal loss (check out Rachel’s personal story in Episode 1, Season 1).
Also, today we are starting something new: some of my guests will have a gift for you which you’ll receive by going to my website (nathaliehimmelrich.com) and finding ‘Podcast gift’ in the navigation bar. Simply enter the password, which in Rachel’s case is the word fifty, (as in the episode number) and you’ll receive her ebook about grief myths.
But for now, make sure to make notes of what Rachel is going to share with us.
About this week’s guest Helping people through grief is Rachel's passion. After her baby daughters died in 2008, she made a promise to them that she'd learn how to heal after loss and share what she learned with everyone who wants to heal too. Rachel has spent more than a decade making good on her promise and has helped hundreds of clients build a meaningful and purposeful life after loss.
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About this week’s episode This is the second episode with Meghan and this time; we speak about all kinds of support modalities that are on offer to treat grief and trauma. This is by far the best episode if you want to get clarity on how grief and trauma work and to find out what kind of treatment is out there and might be the right way to support yourself personally and professionally. Just listen and sense into what feels or sounds good for you and try it.
Also, check out episode 41 to listen to Meghan’s personal story.
About this week’s guest Meghan Riordan Jarvis, MA, LCSW, is an author, podcast host, TEDx Speaker, and psychotherapist specializing in trauma, grief, and loss. After experiencing PTSD following the deaths of both of her parents within two years of each other, Meghan began speaking on a larger scale about the importance of understanding grief and supporting grievers. Founder of Tacking Point Partners, Meghan, and her team consult regularly with companies addressing grief in the workplace. Meghan’s “Grief is My Side Hustle” platform includes her popular podcast of the same name, her blog, and her free grief writing workshop “Grief Mates.” Meghan’s memoir. “The End of The Hour,” will be published in December 2023.
Meghan’s links: Website | Instagram
Resources mentioned in this episode:* EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) * Brain Spotting * Sensory Motor Psychotherapy * Somatic Experience * IFS (Internal Family Systems)
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When I spoke with Gina, I was surprised at how moved I was by the depth of our conversation even though we just met for the first time. Gina has not only experienced multiple losses herself, but she is also working as a therapist with clients dealing with loss. Just last week she published her first book, a practical guide giving tools and resources helping people while they are grieving.
About this week’s guest Gina Moffa is a licensed psychotherapist, mental health educator, and media consultant in New York City. In practice for nearly two decades, she has helped thousands of people seeking treatment for trauma, and grief, as well as challenging life experiences and transitions. She received her master’s degree in social work with a specialty in trauma from New York University. August 22nd, 2023, her book, Moving On Doesn't Mean Letting Go: A Modern Guide to Navigating Loss, will be on bookshelves around the world.
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Resources mentioned in this episodeMoving On Doesn't Mean Letting Go: A Modern Guide to Navigating Loss
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Today I’m speaking with Tara, Taylor’s mum. Taylor died following a skiing accident when she was just a teenager. In the hospital when Taylor’s parents were met with the fact that she would not be able to survive, they were offered the option of organ donation, which surprisingly was one of the easier decisions the parents to make. Tara talks about how she and her husband both grieved the loss of their daughter in very different ways and how talking to another couple who experienced a similar loss helped them. After their loss, they made it their mission to focus on the good. Part of that was that Taylor had saved multiple lives through organ donation, so the parents started Taylor’s Gift Foundation to change the conversation around the topic and to support donor families.
About this week’s guest Tara Storch is president and co-founder of Taylor’s Gift Foundation and is a marketing professional, award-winning author, and community leader. Tara and her husband Todd co-authored the award-winning book, Taylor’s Gift, which was recognized as the ‘Most Inspirational Book’ at the Books for A Better Life Awards in New York City. She and her husband were also recognized as “Heroes Among Us” by People Magazine.
Opening up about her journey of finding hope and purpose after the loss of their daughter Taylor, she speaks publicly across the nation about her powerful “Outlive Yourself” message. Sharing her journey on Good Morning America, The Today Show, The Ellen Show, People Magazine, and other national and international media, she brings a message of inspiration that touches lives worldwide. Tara is the proud mother to three children - Taylor, Ryan, and Peyton. She and her husband, Todd currently live in the Dallas, Texas area.
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I’ve known Coco personally as we studied Somatic Experience, Peter Levine’s extensive professional trauma training, together. I accompanied her as she dealt with the intensive relationship with her mother and the grief over her mother’s subsequent death. From a young age - for half of her own life - Coco cared for her mother and had to be the one to make decisions regarding her mother’s care in her 23-year-long battle with cancer and mental health issues.
About this week’s guest Coco Buchmann is a body psychotherapist and trauma therapist. She is also the mother of two boys, 11 and 8 years old.
She originally studied improvisation and contemporary dance and later added clinical psychology, integrative body psychotherapy, and Somatic Experiencing to her repertoire. Most recently she finished her yoga teacher’s training which she practices in her daily life, besides dance, and Tao Yoga (Chi Gong).
As a therapist, Coco has been working with individuals, dealing with mental illness, such as depression and anxiety, and she also worked with couples.
Eighteen months ago, she started a sabbatical to delve into her own grieving process and to follow her destiny and passion to write a book about the expression of the true self and aliveness, a process which she has coined Yogawave.
Coco experienced many kinds of losses and traumas in her life, on a physical, emotional, and spiritual level.
Over the last 20 years, she has been obsessed with finding the connection between trauma, loss, and the nervous system and has been investigating the deeper layers of the soul and the energies in the body.
Coco’s website: www.chill-dini-basis.com
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The episode with Laney Rosenzweig, founder of Accelerated Resolution Therapy ART has been one of those conversations that caught me by surprise. After hearing about Accelerated Resolution Therapy from one of my previous podcast guests, I was interested but after speaking with Laney I was completely intrigued by her experimental spirit which led to the potential of ART to help people heal from many challenges.
ART has been proven useful to treat:
About this week’s guest Laney Rosenzweig is the Developer of Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART). Developed in 2008, ART is an evidence-based, eye movement therapy that can resolve the symptoms of PTSD and other mental health issues. The research showed that one to five sessions with an average of three resolved the issues studied. Most past trauma can be resolved in only one session. Ongoing problems may take longer due to secondary gains. Her training company, Rosenzweig Center for Rapid Recovery (RCRR), has trained over 8,000 clinicians both in private practice and in numerous clinics. Her book, "Too Good to Be True" is an autobiographical account of her life, how she developed ART, and examples of ART's healing power.
Laney’s Website: https://erasetraumanow.com
Laney's TEDx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP7dx03arxI
ART links: ART Website: http://www.acceleratedresolutiontherapy.com/ | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/acceleratedresolutiontherapy
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Welcome again to the How to Deal With Grief and Trauma Podcast Season 5.
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We will continue with Season 5 starting next week. We have a range of exciting guests already lined up for most of the episodes: From professors to psychotherapists, people who developed and/or therapeutic intervention models to help others. And, as always, there are people like you and I talking about how they dealt or are dealing with their losses.
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Topics discussed in this episode* Nathalie’s personal story of loss and trauma * Non-death losses and the loss of grandparents and what she has learned from her family about grief and loss * Developmental trauma * Sexual abuse
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As you know, I thrive to have more male guests on the Podcast and I’m glad that Andrew offered to speak from his personal experience of dealing with grief and trauma in many different situations. He speaks about divorce, both the divorce of his parents as well as his own marriage, the death of both of his parents, and the loss of most of his family and friends as a result of that.
As you will hear in today’s episode, having experienced quite significant early childhood trauma, Andrew knows his boundaries and is clear on what he can talk about and where he prefers not to go deeper, which I’m guessing many of you listeners can relate to. Having clear boundaries is so important, especially dealing with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and the aftermath of a chronically dysregulated nervous system.
Find out more by listening to today’s episode.
About this week’s guest Andrew Dupy is the CSO for Leaders Press with a demonstrated history working in the publishing industry and more than 15 years of developing extensive customer, sales, support, management, and executive experience.
Andrew has consistently fostered a productive and enriching work environment to upskill employees and grow business and leverages his knowledge, bearing, and charisma to generate return business by creating a community of long-term client relationships.
Andrew became estranged from his biological father at an early age after the divorce of his parents due to the parents' abusive relationship, which also led to the estrangement of other members of their extended family. As a young adult, his mother died from cancer and many years later Andrew also lost his stepdad from cancer. Just a few years after that, his own marriage ended in divorce.
Andrew’s links: LinkedIn | Leader’s Press article
Topics discussed in this episode* Divorce from his parents, estranged biological father * Death of both of his parents from cancer * Divorce leads to the loss of friends and support network * PTSD from early childhood trauma (abusive family relationship) and present-
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I’m so excited about this conversation I had with my dear friend Janet who I’ve known for almost 20 years. She works with individuals and couples in the area of sexuality and relationship. Janet leads the Making Love Retreat workshops where couples focus on their mindful connection through sexuality. Janet also describes the potential of suppressed emotions and trauma being brought up, released, and healed through the conscious way of lovemaking rather than having sex in a conventional way.
You must listen to this week’s episode to find out more.
About this week’s guest Janet McGeever has been a psychotherapist for almost 25 years, specializing in the field of love, sex, and intimacy, particularly in relation to midlife. She co-wrote the book, Tantric Sex and Menopause - Practices for Spiritual and Sexual Renewal with Conscious Sexuality Teacher Diana Richardson. Janet was a TEDx speaker in Noosa, Australia in 2013. She has been teaching The Making Love Retreat, a retreat founded by Diana and Michael Richardson, in Australia since 2012.
Read more about Janet here.
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Topics discussed in this episode* The impact of trauma and loss on the relationship, sexuality, intimacy * Grieving disconnection in a relationship and how to come back to connection * Trauma resulting from sexual relations * Developmental trauma, relational trauma * What slow, conscious lovemaking might bring up regarding stored suppressed emotions and trauma * The importance of feeling safe * Couples dealing with grief and the effect on the relationship and sexuality * From sensation to sensitivity * Co-regulation
Resources mentioned in this episode* Polyvagal Theory * Making Love Retreat * Diana Richardson
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Another exciting conversation awaits you here today because Meghan and I have something central in common: our passion for grief and trauma. Speaking the same kind of language, our conversation flowed easily through her personal story of dealing with many losses and trauma, leading to her professional work with clients dealing with grief and trauma, especially in the workplace.
About this week’s guest Meghan Riordan Jarvis, MA, LCSW, is an author, podcast host, TEDx Speaker, and psychotherapist specializing in trauma, grief, and loss. After experiencing PTSD following the deaths of both of her parents within two years of each other, Meghan began speaking on a larger scale about the importance of understanding grief and supporting grievers. Founder of Tacking Point Partners, Meghan, and her team consult regularly with companies addressing grief in the workplace. Meghan’s “Grief is My Side Hustle” platform includes her popular podcast of the same name, her blog, and her free grief writing workshop “Grief Mates.” Meghan’s memoir. “The End of The Hour,” will be published in December 2023.
Meghan’s links: Website | Instagram
Topics discussed in this episode* Meghan's personal and professional relationship with grief and trauma * Childhood trauma: Death of a close family friend through drowning * Break-up, therapy… ultimately leading to Meghan becoming a therapist herself * The death of her Dad (2017) and Mum (2019) and the different reactions Meghan experienced * When and how do you know you need help? * Grief in the workplace * Why people don’t talk about grief
Resources mentioned in this episode* Anderson Cooper Podcast * Trauma therapies: EMDR, Sensory Motor Psychotherapy, Internal Family System, Touch Therapy * Help Text
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Todays Episode All trauma involves grief but not all grief needs to necessarily be or feel traumatic.
When is a loss also traumatic and when is it not?
What are the differences between a traumatic loss and a non-traumatic loss?
Why and how does it matter?
How can we support ourselves and others after a traumatic loss?
All these questions and more are the topics for today's episode.
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Topics discussed in this episode* Examples of losses that can be traumatic * The difference between traumatic and non-traumatic losses * Symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) * Trauma response in the body * Polyvagal theory and its application to trauma * Nervous system regulation * The importance of trauma-informed, grief-literate professional care
Resources mentioned in this episode* Dr. Stephens Porges's Polyvagal Theory
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I’m honestly a big fan of Tori and you’ll be too as soon as you see her amazingly creative way in which she processes her life through her art. There is this one post about grief being a gift that keeps on giving which immediately drew me in and I was hooked. Tori and I had an immediate connection even though this interview was the first time we spoke in person.
I’m so grateful to her deciding to share about the topic of grief in relation to a person when the relationship in life was difficult which is another place where our lives run in parallel.
This is another exciting conversation that I am sure you’ll enjoy as much as I did.
About this week’s guest Tori Press is an artist, author, and anxious human being. She spent 10 years as a graphic designer before quitting to create some space in her life.
In 2016 she bought herself a set of markers and began drawing pictures inspired by her yoga practice, mental health struggles, and everyday life. This decision started her on an extraordinary adventure of self-discovery and human connection. Her drawings help her cultivate mindfulness, gratitude, and self-acceptance--and she hopes they do the same for others!
She is the author of two books: How to Feel Better, a companion and workbook for dealing with tough times (including grief and loss), and I Am Definitely, Probably Enough (I Think).
Tori’s links: Website | Instagram
Topics discussed in this episode* The death of Tori’s death * The pivotal role of social workers and other support people * Having a grieving friend, someone to go through grief with helps to feel less alone and isolated and normalizes the intense experience of grieving * The use of art as a form of creative healing * Dealing with the loss when the relationship with that person was difficult
Resources mentioned in this episode* The Grief Gift
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I’m so excited to talk to Mira, an inspirational woman, dealing with the loss and trauma of her partner. I found her through Instagram, where she shares authentically about her journey through her voice that connects with many other grievers, not just young widows. She shares about Brian’s death which came very quickly, within 7 weeks of his second diagnosis, and how she finds her way back to living life as a young widow.
Mira and I speak a common language and share the purpose of teaching people to become grief literate and the importance of working with a trauma-informed lens, which for both of us is the basis of dealing with grief and trauma.
About this week’s guest Mira Simone is a widow, mother, published writer, grief coach, and grief-literacy advocate. She is also a registered mental health occupational therapist in Ontario, Canada. In early 2019, Mira's life was blown apart, when her partner Brian was diagnosed with an unbelievably aggressive cancer. He died seven weeks later, leaving her alone with their almost three-year-old daughter. Prior to Brian's death, she worked in the mental health space. But it wasn't until his death that Mira began to explore the grieving process. In 2022, she launched New Moon Mira, her grief coaching business, through which she supports widows and grievers in more intimate group containers and provides grief literacy training for grief-support people and healthcare professionals. She is currently in the early stages of writing a memoir, with support from the Canada Council for the Arts.
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Topics discussed in this episode* Growing up with her Dad’s chronic illness (Parkinson's) * Mira’s husband dying from melanoma (skin cancer) * Relational (developmental) trauma triggered through the current loss * Traveling and going on adventures helped her to figure grief out on her own * Developing an understanding of grief and the nervous system
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with John Henry Parker who has experienced multiple losses in his family. From avoiding grief and its emotionality altogether after the loss of his older brother Russel when John was just twenty years old, he could no longer do that when his son Danny died in 2009. Therapeutic writing and helping other troubled veterans as he calls them were his ways of dealing with his loss.
About this week’s guest John Henry Parker is a behavioral assessment analyst, writer and audiobook narrator. For over 35 years, he has immersed himself in the work of personal transformation with a simple philosophy; Apply everything to self, first.
His passion ranges from writing, offering men’s transformational work to the philosophy in life of giving back and paying it forward. His passion for supporting and working with transitioning veterans and their families is in memory of his son Danny, who was killed in an adrenaline-seeking, excessive speed-related motorcycle accident after completing his military service. Danny was a Purple Heart Recipient and Combat Veteran of two deployments to Afghanistan with the Army 10th Mountain Division. John is a former peacetime Marine, and his father was a former Marine, Korean War Combat Veteran, and Air Force Reconnaissance photographer in Vietnam.
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Topics discussed in this episode* Growing up with an alcoholic father and in a ‘bad’ neighborhood * His mother’s Parkinson’s disease for 35 years * Significant losses: John’s older brother Russel through a motorcycle accident when he was twenty, and his son Danny (highspeed motorcycle accident) in 2009 * Aunt Glady’s influence on John’s view on life: God is love, the gift of empathy, and the law of reciprocity * Working with troubled veterans * Epigenetic trauma
Resources mentioned in this episode* Bruce Lipton, Joe Dispenza
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Shannon Traphagen about the loss of the love of her life and best friend from brain cancer. She so beautifully describes feeling rudderless and lost after having spent all her adult life with her husband. Before her husband’s diagnosis, they were on the road to adoption but due to his illness, they also lost that option. Shannon slept downstairs on the couch for a year to avoid the loneliness of the bedroom she had shared with her husband and the baby’s room across the hallway. She slowly worked her way back into embracing her life and now helps others through her podcast. Shannon speaks about vulnerability and loneliness, a topic she feels is not discussed enough in grief.
About this week’s guest Shannon Traphagen, MSW, is a published author, motivational grief & loss speaker, patient advocate, and host of The Game On Glio Podcast. A show centered around the stories of brain cancer patients, caregivers, doctors, researchers, therapists, and grief and loss journeys. With a background in magazine publishing, social work, and modern media, Shannon is also walking through her own grief journey after losing her 45-year-old husband to Glioblastoma two years ago. She now helps others through her podcast and her own experiences, bridging the gap in communication between patients/families, widows, and the medical community. She is also the founder of Traphagen's Trail Ride 4 Brain Cancer, a cycling fundraiser which has raised over $30,000 to date for brain cancer clinical trials.
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Topics discussed in this episode* Miscarriages * The diagnosis of brain cancer of her husband led to the loss of adoption in the process * The death of her husband from glioblastoma * How to come to ‘I’m ok with this (loss)’ * Vulnerability and loneliness * Secondary losses * Finding resilience through creating meaning
Resources mentioned in this episode* Podcast episode with Amber who also lost her husband from brain cancer
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Part 2Today on the podcast I am speaking with Sarah Stillman, who suffered preeclampsia and concealed placental abruption, leading to the stillbirth of her first son. Having been sexually assaulted earlier on in her life in a medical environment, she was very clear about needing to take charge of her medical care to avoid further traumatization. Unfortunately, the developments her pregnancy experienced leading to emergency care, resulted in her experiencing more trauma.
We had such a rich conversation that this became a double episode. Make sure you listen to the second part which is going to be published a week after this in which we dive much deeper into the topic of pregnancy after loss and how to deal with the trauma of sexual assault.
About this week’s guest Sarah is one of Nathaniel’s two mamas (yes, he has two moms)! Nathaniel is Sarah and Amy’s firstborn son conceived through IVF with a traumatic ending in severe early-onset preeclampsia, placental abruption, emergency C-section, a brief NICU stay and death within his mother’s arms. Sarah took to grieving, finding out what happened, and planning for future pregnancy like a full-time job, and in the midst of the uncertainty and haze of grief, identified resources that helped answer critical questions. In honour of her son, she created whenmybabydied.com which aims to offer families a centralized resource hub of information and answers for the question no parent ever thought they’d have to find. Sarah is currently pregnant with Nathaniel’s sibling who is expected to be born in April 2023. She lives with her wife, two dogs, and Nathaniel’s warrior spirit in Central Massachusetts.
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Topics discussed in this episode Part Two* Empty arm syndrome * Pregnancy after loss * Sexual assault * The effect of prior trauma on pregnancy * Grieving the loss of having planned for a healing event when it turns into a new trauma
Resources mentioned in this episode* EMDR Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing * Grieving Parents Support Network
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Sarah Stillman, who suffered preeclampsia and concealed placental abruption which led to the stillbirth of her first son. Having been sexually assaulted earlier on in her life in a medical environment, she was very clear about needing to take charge of her medical care to avoid further traumatization. Unfortunately, the developments her pregnancy experienced leading to emergency care, resulted in her experiencing more trauma.
We had such a rich conversation that this became a double episode. Make sure you listen to the second part which is going to be published a week after this in which we dive much deeper into the topic of pregnancy after loss and how to deal with the trauma of sexual assault.
About this week’s guest Sarah is one of Nathaniel’s two mamas (yes, he has two moms)! Nathaniel is Sarah and Amy’s firstborn son conceived through IVF with a traumatic ending in severe early-onset preeclampsia, placental abruption, emergency C-section, a brief NICU stay, and death within his mother’s arms. Sarah took to grieving, finding out what happened, and planning for future pregnancy like a full-time job, and in the midst of the uncertainty and haze of grief, identified resources that helped answer critical questions. In honor of her son, she created whenmybabydied.com which aims to offer families a centralized resource hub of information and answers for the question no parent ever thought they’d have to find. Sarah is currently pregnant with Nathaniel’s sibling who is expected to be born in April 2023. She lives with her wife, two dogs, and Nathaniel’s warrior spirit in Central Massachusetts.
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Topics discussed in this episode Part One* Early miscarriage, appendicitis operation during subsequent pregnancy, preeclampsia leading to the stillbirth of her son Nathaniel * Prior sexual assault trauma leading to challenges in medical care during pregnancy * Loss and trauma * Secondary losses
Resources mentioned in this episode* EMDR Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing * Grieving Parents Support Network
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Ana Vick about the trauma of stillbirth and pregnancy loss. Ana believes in the importance of stillbirth prevention during pregnancy. Having experienced the trauma of pregnancy loss multiple times, and finding out more about Owen’s reason for death helped her move from self-blame and shame and gave her some sort of closure. This allowed Ana to turn her story into a meaningful advocacy to support others not having to experience what she had.
About this week’s guest Ana Lepe Vick is a maternal health advocate and stillbirth rights activist who grew up in the Bay Area and is a recent North Carolina transplant. She is a wife and mother of 3, known as Still My Son on social media where she finds support and inspiration to continue pushing for change in memory of her middle son, Owen Nathaniel, and all babies gone too soon. Owen was unexpectedly born still at almost 32 weeks of a perfect "textbook" pregnancy via crash c-section. She also suffered miscarriages before and after Owen's death so she’s no stranger to the trauma of pregnancy loss. Although she would much rather have her son in her arms, she proudly parents Owen through her activism and role as Co-Director of Communications of PUSH for Empowered Pregnancy (a stillbirth prevention non-profit she helped found with other bereaved families in 2021). As part of the Count the Kicks Influencer Advisory Board she leads targeted efforts to outreach to Spanish-speaking communities because every parent deserves to know how to protect their baby through fetal movement education. She is the Social Media Lead for the SHINE for Autumn Act, which is a bill she hopes will be passed soon for the U.S. to start making a systemic change to prevent stillbirths. In addition, Ana is helping to spread “Womb Wisdom” through her new educational platform, Sacred Birth Circle, where she interviews maternal health experts & birthing parents to help families be better informed about their pregnancy and birth journeys. She will always wish her family could be complete, but she’s thankful she can keep her son’s memory alive while saving babies in his honor.
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Topics discussed in this episode* The stillbirth of her son Owen * The trauma of pregnancy loss * The importance of stillbirth prevention during pregnancy * Knowing the reason for Owen’s death helped Ana move from guilt and gave her some sort of closure
Resources mentioned in this episode* Push Pregnancy * SHINE for Autumn Act * Count the Kicks
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Estelle Thompson, who has been an inspiration for me for years. We’ve met on Instagram as part of a yearly event called May We All Heal which I started in 2015 and gave grieving mothers a creative outlet and an avenue to share with others. Estelle has a way of using art and yoga in her healing journey that drew me in and it was an honor for me to be speaking with her. Here is someone who can laugh while crying, who exemplifies living with the paradox of living a creative life while holding the gift of what death has brought her.
About this week’s guest Estelle Thomson, M.A. in Counselling Psychology is a leading yoga teacher and educator in the intersecting fields of expressive arts, embodied movement, and psychology. With over ten years of experience, her work explores the relationship between breath, body, emotions, imagination, and play. Estelle is a faculty member of Quantum University, internationally recognized for offering online courses and graduate degree programs in holistic, alternative, natural, and integrative medicine. Estelle leads numerous lectures, workshops, and retreats locally and internationally.
Estelle’s links: Website | Instagram
Topics discussed in this episode* Giving birth prematurely and the unexpected death of her son Tommy Tinker when he was just 2 years old * Art and yoga saved her life * Writing for grief * Change of identity * How to use creativity
Resources mentioned in this episode * Grieving Parents Support Network (FB page) and May We All Heal event and peer support group. * Tommy Tinker Forever Documentary * Estelle’s Retreats
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Lisa Bolton who experienced multiple losses in her life. She talks about dealing with loss after loss, the intense grieving bringing her to the brink of suicide, and the pivotal importance of her support system. She says: Without support, you can’t go through it. In her case, she had her church and a group of mothers who all had lost children through a drug overdose. In making her loss meaningful, Lisa beautifully describes how she allows her daughter to live through her. Another really important part of our conversation dealt with the topic of comparing losses, especially in the case of blended families dealing with losses on both sides and the importance of relational support within the family.
About this week’s guest Originally from New Jersey, Lisa now lives in Florida. After having been married for 25 years, she divorced and later remarried. She is a mother to 3 biological children, 2 stepchildren, and one foster child, but she considers them all hers. She has been an Early Childhood Administrator for almost 40 years. A few years ago, she also became a Stillbirth Doula, Support Group Facilitator and Grief Counselor for adults, children, and adolescents. Her grief journey began 34 years ago when she lost her first-born son to a miscarriage. 30 years later she lost her rainbow baby, her beautiful 26-year-old daughter to an overdose of heroin laced with fentanyl. In between those losses, she also lost her wonderful 18-year-old stepdaughter to a rare autoimmune disease. Read more about Lisa here...
Topics discussed in this episode* Multiple losses: Pregnancy loss of her son DJ, loss of her daughter in 2019 and stepdaughter in 2015 * Dealing with the most intense days of grief, suicidal tendencies, and the vital importance of support * Comparing losses in a blended family situation * Expressive versus cognitive ways of grieving, and cultural differences in grieving * How to incorporate the memory of her children into her own life
Resources mentioned in this episode* Podcast episode – Parents reflecting on grief and loss 11 years after
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Katherine Lazar who lost her son Brody in a late-term stillbirth just a year ago during her first pregnancy. She knew early on that she needed to speak with other moms who had experienced what she had. Katherine felt the importance of finding people that had the same grief vibe. The conversations with these women turned into her podcast At a Total Loss. From helping herself cope, the podcast was a way to reach others and helped them to cope with their losses.
About this week’s guest Katherine Lazar currently lives in Atlanta, GA in the US and is married to the love of her life, Brody’s dad, Michael. When she was 37 weeks pregnant, her precious son died and was stillborn. The sorrow following his death almost killed her. Conversations with other loss moms saved her. She decided to record them and put them out for others to hear. If they helped her feel less alone, maybe they could help others. She’s so proud to have created this in Brody’s honor and to give other mothers a platform to talk about their babies. Finding my purpose has helped her in so many ways, and she is a big believer in helping others do the same with real talk and honesty about life after loss.
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Check out Katherine’s links here: Website | Instagram | YouTube
Topics discussed in this episode* Late-term stillbirth of her son Brody * Birth trauma * Finding relief in speaking with others who had experienced stillbirth * Helping herself cope lead to starting a podcast to help others * Differences in grieving: instrumental and emotional way of grieving
Resources mentioned in this episode* Katherine’s Podcast At a Total Loss * May We All Heal – peer support group for grieving parents * Podcast episode – Parents reflecting on grief and loss 11 years after
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Shelby Forsythia who lost her mother due to breast cancer following years of treatment. Shelby was just twenty-one and this traumatic experience influenced her life as a young adult. Dealing with her loss, she delved into understanding and learning about grief.
Later, she experienced loss again after separating from her fiancée on the same day as she lost her job. Even though Shelby was practiced at dealing with grief, it did not make the pain of grief become any easier when, on top of everything else, she then also lost her best friend, but there was more awareness of how to support herself through it.
About this week’s guest Shelby Forsythia (she/her) is a grief guide, author, and podcast host. In 2020, she founded Life After Loss Academy, an online course and community that has helped dozens of grievers grow and find their way after death, divorce, diagnosis, and other major life transitions. Following her mother’s death in 2013, Shelby began calling herself a “student of grief” and now devotes her days to reading, writing, and speaking about loss. Through a combination of mindfulness tools and intuitive, open-ended questions, she guides her clients to welcome grief as a teacher and create meaningful lives that honor and include the heartbreaks they’ve faced. Her work has been featured in Huffington Post, Bustle, and The Oprah Magazine.
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Topics discussed in this episode* The death of her mother from breast cancer, following four years of treatment * Family health challenges and Dad’s personality changes due to two brain aneurysms * Loss of faith * Various ways of coping with grief: an eating disorder, delving into working, setting healthy boundaries around her grief, accepting help when offered, using her voice * Being guided by: Where does my grief want me to go? * The loss of her fiancée, her job, and her best friend
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Clover Stroud, a British journalist, and author, telling us about her beautifully rich and colorful life, which also included deep trauma within her family of origin.
She shares about the ambiguous loss of her mother who suffered a horse-riding accident and because of it became brain-damaged when Clover was only sixteen years old. Her mother was alive but no longer capable to fulfil her role as a mother. She required full-time care following her accident and died 20 years later.
During their teenage years, Clover and her two years older sister Nell formed a close bond, as they first cared for their mother in their home. This role reversal had a huge impact on Clover’s outlook on life. Not even 50, Nell was diagnosed with cancer and died within a couple of years of their mother’s death.
Clover believes that what saved her life was to be creating and really going after life. One of her quotes from the podcast that I will keep as a reminder of our conversation is that grief can be a creative act.
About this week’s guest Clover Stroud is a writer and a journalist and has five children. She writes about the way life feels, mining her own experiences to draw universal truths about what it means to be human. She never shies away from the big topics and writes with startling honesty about life, death, sex, addiction, motherhood, nature, grief, ecstasy, and suffering.
She started her career as a journalist at 24, and since then has written regularly for all the major newspapers and publications, including The Sunday Times, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, Vogue, Red, Harpers, Elle, and she frequently appears on radio or podcasts as a distinctive and singular voice. She has published three memoirs, all Sunday Times bestsellers, and is working on her next book.
Clover hosts a weekly author interview on her popular Instagram page @clover.stroud.
Check out her website here for details on her memoirs.
Topics discussed in this episode* Grieving the relationship with her mother after her accident and brain damage, the first loss, and caring for her at home with her sister as two teenagers * Twenty years later her mother died, and a new kind of grief * Two years later her sister’s cancer diagnosis led to her death
Resources mentioned in this episode* Clover’s book: The Red of My Blood
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Today on the podcast I am speaking with Amber, a young widow, and divorcee who now raises four children on her own. She lost her husband Tim just seven months ago after a 16-months battle with cancer. She now is the captain steering the ship of her family, running a household with four children under twelve, at the same time as tending to her grief and her own needs.
Amber is a guiding light as to the resilience she draws from, inspiring with her version of grieving seeing it as a sacred time while also growing and evolving as her own person and in her life after the loss of her soulmate. She believes that ‘laughing means singing Tim’s song’ and it is a way to show her love for him.
Amber shares this beautiful advice she picked up early on after her husband died:
About this week’s guest Amber Jackson is a mom of four (one with special needs) and a cancer widow but that hasn’t stopped her from living life to the fullest. She is a self-proclaimed life enthusiast and is determined to see everything that life has to offer, including the bad, as something she can learn from. She loves tulips, pizza Friday, and kitchen dance parties.
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Topics discussed in this episode* Divorced twice with two young children * Widowed by the age of 32 raising four children on her own * Support of family, friends, and church * Being faced with mortality and living with anticipatory grief * The benefit of regular, ongoing therapy * Seeing grief as a sacred time
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Today on the podcast I have the honor to be speaking with Turiya Hanover for the second time, revisiting her first year of grief over the loss of her partner Maia and the associated trauma.
Turiya and I share a passion: befriending death. Not everyone’s cup of tea in terms of passions but you will enjoy listening to this episode if you are interested in looking behind the veils of life, birth, death, and everything in between.
*Just a note on the sound quality of this episode: Given I recorded this during my sabbatical in South Africa with a different microphone than usual, the sound quality is slightly different.
About this week’s guest Turiya is the co-founder of Path Retreats and the transformational process - Path of Love with Rafia Morgan. Together they also lead a one-year Holistic Counsellor training for therapists called Working with People – School of Counselling.
She has been trained in many different modalities such as Gestalt, Bioenergetics, Psychodrama, Family Therapy (V. Satir), NLP, Hypnosis, Somatic Experiencing™ (Peter Levine), Ego Psychology, Family Constellation, Enneagram and Astrology, and Essence Work.
Turiya's personal journey into human development started when she did her first 2-year Jungian Psychotherapy course aged 22, followed by an encounter workshop in 1970 in Germany. The revelation and exploration of this Humanistic Psychology approach took Turiya by surprise. The internal shift that she experienced was so profound, that she and her husband, set on a new course of human discovery, which led them to India. Through learning meditation, living, and working in a community under the guidance of a master, she developed a unique approach in working with people that is a synthesis of eastern insights, living awareness and western approach to humanistic psychology.
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Topics discussed in this episode* Reviewing the first year of grief and trauma * The ongoing connection felt with Maia * The fear of abandonment * Loneliness, aloneness, being alone and feeling alone * Preparing for death in the later stages of life * Death-defying culture versus befriending death
Resources mentioned in this episode* Stephen Jenkinson
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Today on the podcast I’m speaking with Keem Fares, the mother of Karina, a spirited intelligent young gymnast, who died in a freak accident when she was 12 years old.
In our conversation, we draw the connection from early grief to when we worked on the book Surviving My First Year of Child Loss in 2017 to now, 8 years after Karina’s death.
I can highly recommend listening to this episode with Keem because she so beautifully describes how grief has affected her life, her relationship, and her faith and how it has evolved from pure survival to how she experiences it now, after 8 years.
This was without a doubt the most interesting conversation I had on the topic of how faith and grief interact, especially given the fact that I would call myself a strongly spiritual but non-religious person.
About this week’s guest Keem Fares is a Non-Profit professional and holds a leadership position in Financial Operations. Originally from Mexico herself, she met her husband in Cairo, Egypt, where they lived for 15 years before moving to San Diego, California in 2011.
Keem struggles to rediscover herself after the accidental death of her 12-year-old daughter, Karina, in 2015. She finds joy in her son Mark, and together with her husband, they rely on their faith in hope. They established Karina’s Joy Foundation to perpetuate Karina’s joyful spirit and giving nature through youth scholarships and acts of kindness.
She says, “I don’t have answers. I simply intentionally survive one moment, one day, one week, one month, one year…and then I do it again. Maybe, someday I’ll have survived enough to live and perhaps even thrive. In the midst of my own darkness, I can trust and hope that a rainbow might appear. One stormy day at a time, I am expecting rainbows.”
Topics discussed in this episode* The impact of her teenage daughter’s death on her life * How grief evolved from surviving to becoming ‘comfortable’ with grief * Pre-grief in the times before death-anniversaries * Finding comfort in community online * Social media offering both comfort and triggers * What grief looks like 8 years later, effects on relationship and faith
Resources mentioned in this episode Surviving My First Year of Child Loss*
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Today on the podcast I’m speaking with Jessica Zucker who is widely known on social media due to the movement she started in response to her miscarriage. She openly talks about her 16-week miscarriage and the more recent trauma of her journey with breast cancer.
Similarly to Jessica’s intent with her #IHadaMiscarriage movement, this podcast is encouraging people to speak about the trauma they have endured and the grief they are dealing with.
Having chosen that path herself, Jessica says:
‘Without truth and candidness around these life experiences, then what? It's almost like then the onus is on us to sort of feel ashamed or silenced or embarrassed or like a failure. Culture wouldn't mind us feeling like that because then it would be easier if we just kind of curl up in a ball and keep it to ourselves, but I have clearly chosen not to do that.’
About this week’s guest Dr Jessica Zucker is a psychologist specializing in reproductive health and the author of I had a Miscarriage: A Memoir, a Movement. She’s the creator of the #IHadaMiscarriage campaign. Her writing has appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, New York Magazine, and Vogue, among others. Jessica’s second book is in the works.
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Jessica Zucker’s Website
Instagram: @ihadamiscarriage
Topics discussed in this episode* 16-week miscarriage * Unmedicated dilation and curettage (D&C) * The long journey with breast cancer * Dealing with the physical trauma of multiple operations and people’s reactions
Resources mentioned in this episode* Saying it Loudly: I Had a Miscarriage (New York Times article)
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Today on the podcast I have the honour to dive deep into loss and trauma with Rachelle Spencer, who I’ve known since 2016. She has experienced multiple miscarriages and an abusive, toxic relationship. Rachelle is proud of who she has become not because but despite of her grief and trauma.
Rachelle found the support of a therapist instrumental in her healing and in making healthy decisions:
‘I know you mentioned therapist, but that was hugely instrumental for me to have a safe place, a sounding board. I don’t want to underestimate how big that was because I was figuring things out and learning to make decisions on my own. There was one person that completely supported whatever decision I made and trusted me to figure it out.’
About this week’s guest Rachelle Spencer is an entrepreneur and mom in Baltimore, Maryland (USA). She started her handmade jewellery business after she lost 4 children to early miscarriage. She now has a son, daughter, and another little one on the way. She spends most of her time doing photography, reading children's books, or trying her hand out at a new creative outlet.
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Website: www.rachelle-isms.com
Instagram: @rachelle.isms
Topics discussed in this episode* Multiple miscarriages * Toxic relationship leading to divorce * Educating children, helping them understand how to deal with emotions, consent, trauma etc * Co-parenting and parenting as a blended family * The value of therapeutic support * Secondary losses
Resources mentioned in this episode* May We All Heal peer support group
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Today on the podcast I’m speaking with Brooke whose story could be one that movies are made of. She has experienced loss after loss culminating in a series of devastating and traumatic losses within the past 12 months.
Listening to Brooke telling her life story is both devastating and shocking, at the same time as hope-inspiring in the way she’s living her life after loss with fierce resilience at the same time as grieving.
She speaks candidly about the dark places she went through while grieving and how she got help when she was suicidal.
The truth is that there are people like Brooke who have no choice but to live with multiple traumatic losses. The question is: how do we meet them? How do we enable ourselves to hold space for someone and their situation?
Regarding the people who helped Brooke the most, she says:
‘I want to be strong, and I want to keep going and find meaning in things. I'm just like a go-go-go person and the most helpful thing for me was people saying: ‘Slow down and breathe. You need to feel this and not rush through it, not ignore it, not medicate it.’
About this week’s guest Brooke Carlock has experienced more grief and loss in her lifetime than most...
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Topics discussed in this episode* Loss of her favourite grandfather when Brooke was 10-year-old * Loss of her sister leaving behind young children, and multiple losses in the close family * Divorce * Most recently her father (heart attack), closely followed by her stepmom (overdose) and dealing with both funeral arrangement * News of the terminal illness of her mother * Loss of her daughter Libby through a car accident * Dealing with the dark places in early grief and suicidal thoughts
Resources mentioned in this episode* Autonomous sensory meridian response (ASMR), here is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhRrXuBU8-Q
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Today on the podcast I’m speaking with Sharna who I’ve come to appreciate as a force for change in regard to the support offered to women in dealing with their pregnancy loss, a passion we have in common.
Talking about her missed miscarriage Sharna shares:
‘…never experienced contractions before so I didn’t know that's what I was experiencing until I got to the hospital until they told me then what was going on. They also told me that one in four pregnancies ends in loss and I was like: “Well, then why do I feel like I'm the only one? Why is there not enough information? Why does no one talk about this?” I felt like I was living under a rock, like where have I been my whole life to not know about this?’
About this week’s guest Sharna Southan is an ICF-certified coach, a mum to her rainbow baby, a business owner and a wife. She followed her heart and soul into business after her own pregnancy loss in 2017. Sharna firmly believes that our adversity gives us an opportunity to grow.
She founded The Institute of Healing through Pregnancy Loss supporting loss parents with her transformative Pregnancy Loss recovery method and teaching her signature Pregnancy Loss Practitioner™️ Certification Program.
Topics discussed in this episode* Dealing with the loss of her father at the age of nineteen, led to depression, anxiety, panic attacks * Missed miscarriage and the trauma of miscarrying * Feeling isolated in not knowing that 1 in 4 pregnancies ends in loss * Lack of information and support on what miscarriage means emotionally, and physically and what it may require in care * Finding help through professional support
Resources mentioned in this episode* Grieving Parents Support Network * May We All Heal peer support group
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Today on the podcast I have the pleasure to delve deeper with Katja Faber, who has been a guest on the Podcast in Season 1. If you haven’t already, go check out her episode which has been one of most downloaded and listener showed a clear interest to know more.
Among other things, today Katja and I speak about the important topic of victim blaming and defamation, the changes in personality due to dealing with such a traumatic loss and the loss of innocence.
Katja shares:
‘I cannot image that however much I have come to accept the reality, that I’m a loss mother I will ever accept that Alex is dead. These are just two things that I can know for myself that this is something I am now. That my son does not live anymore, I still struggle with. And I always will.’
About this week’s guest Katja Faber is the mother of three children. Following her 23-year-old son's murder in Switzerland, she used her legal training to work closely with lawyers and the State Prosecutor to secure justice for her dead son. Through her writing at Still Standing Magazine and other grief-related publications she hopes to break the taboo of homicide loss and child loss. She runs her own fruit farm and is an advocate of ecotherapy as a means of finding healing following traumatic loss. Katja is a certified Compassionate Bereavement Care® counselor through the Center for Loss and Trauma in partnership with the MISS Foundation and the Elisabeth Kubler-Ross Family Trust.
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Topics discussed in this episode* The challenges of being in court, both as a grieving mother and as a plaintiff * The invaluable support of friends and family * Victim blaming and defamation * The changes in her personality * The loss of innocence
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Today on the podcast I’m speaking with Joy, who I've known since 2015 as part of the May We All Heal community. This community was born out of a group of women from the Grieving Parents Support Network. They came together year after year during the month of May to focus on dealing with their grief using creativity.
Joy has used a unique approach with her artwork, which can be seen on her Instagram channel.
Joy describes how she moved from feeling ashamed for disassociating from her pain, which was her coping mechanism to understanding and appreciating it as her survival strategy at the time.
Joy says:
‘You deal with it when you can. That is how you are surviving. That is how your brain is keeping you safe in a situation that is not safe so now it's like ‘oh yeah just disassociating, it's okay, I’ll deal with it later.’ I mean it doesn't mean it's easy to deal with but just knowing that yeah that's an ok thing to do for my brain to survive.’
About this week’s guest Joy Bornstein uses art as a way to process everyday emotions and the long-term scars left by trauma. She is the mother of 3 living children, the mother of a stillborn son, Bennet, and a former victim of domestic abuse. Joy uses colour, line, and shape to explore emotions in a way that can't be expressed in words in an attempt to turn pain into beauty.
Joy’s Instagram: @fire_fly_joy
Topics discussed in this episode* Stillbirth and physical trauma * Shame around the coping strategy of disassociating * Dissolving a marriage, domestic abuse, divorce, custody battles, and dealing with the children’s trauma * May We All Heal – using art to cope with loss and trauma
Resources mentioned in this episode* May We All Heal: Creative Healing After Loss * May We All Heal Book
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Today I have the pleasure to speak with Miten who I’ve known for almost 20 years through his and Deva’s music. Miten shares the traumas he’s experienced throughout his life and how he’s found the healing power of music.
Miten says:
‘If there is one thing, I would say that's helped me, that is to sing. And as much as I can, I tell people, not just our community who are into singing anyway, but… church choirs. Find a choir, find a Gospel choir, you know - sing! Because when you are singing, your heart starts to lift, your burden lift, your spirit lifts. It's not a joke, it's real and it's important and it's a commitment.’
The mantras hold a special place in my heart and my personal healing so I can highly recommend checking out their music on their website, Spotify or wherever you listen to music.
About this week’s guest Miten was born in London and grew up in the 60s. He later went on to establish a successful career for himself in the 70s as a noted singer/songwriter, releasing several albums including one for Ariola Records under the guidance of legendary American producer Bones Howe. He toured extensively, opening for Fleetwood Mac, Randy Newman, Hall and Oats, Lou Reed, Ry Cooder, Fairport Convention, and The Kinks, among others. This period of his life was exciting but left him spiritually unfulfilled.
After reading a book of the discourses on Zen from Osho (No Water No Moon), Miten had an epiphany and began an inner search. He left everything he had known before, even selling his guitars, and traveled to India, embracing life as a member of the community that had gathered around Osho.
It was there he met his life partner, Deva Premal, and they are now renowned worldwide for their fusion of western music with Sanskrit mantras. Together they have presented their music in as many as 45 countries while accumulating accolades from such diverse admirers as Cher and HH the Dalai Lama, with album sales in excess of one million copies.
Website: Deva Premal and Miten
Topics discussed in this episode* Childhood traumas * Leaving behind his family, letting go of his life, his identity, and his career as a musician, and joining Osho’s ashram * Healing through meditation, chanting, and being in presence of a Guru and finding music again * Physical trauma of a double heart by-pass surgery
Resources mentioned in this episode* Film: Mantra – Sounds Into Silence * Tara Mangalartha Mantra with India Arie
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Michael started with loss very early in his life when his mother got killed in a car accident leaving behind two boys and their father. Michael was 8 weeks old at the time and magically recovered after having almost all the bones in his tiny body broken.
It took Michael a big part of his life to figure out how to deal with grief, depression, and suicidal thoughts at the same time while creating a legacy by offering programs to create awareness in young people about drinking and driving.
Michael shares how working with a therapist helped him look at the ways in which he had modeled avoiding his feelings of grief and what tools supported him in overcoming his suicidal thoughts.
Michael says:
‘She hit me pretty hard the very first day when I was going in there thinking I’m going to talk about my aunt and my father's death. Her first question was: hey let’s talk about your mother's death and how that impacted all your relationships. I was like… I was stunned. I was like there's a knockout punch. I didn't want to talk about that even at age 47 I still didn't want to really talk about that in-depth, but she was right, I had to.’
About this week’s guest Michael Gershe is a survivor of a drunk driving crash that killed his mother and nearly himself when he was 8 weeks old. Despite breaking almost all his bones in the crash, he went on to become a collegiate swimmer, comedian, speaker, author, college educator, and photographer. With over 25 years of experience on stage, Michael has presented his programs at schools, colleges, military bases, courts, and even a TEDx talk. He uses humor, audience participation, and his story for an educational and inspirational message. In 2015 he founded The Magic of Life Foundation, a non-profit organization, that helps his mission of eliminating impaired driving making communities safer, and empowering people to make better choices in life. In 2019, he published his memoir, The Magic of Life: A Son’s Story After Tragedy, Grief and a Speedo.
His website: The Magic of Life Foundation
Topics discussed in this episode* Loss of mom, father, and aunt led to the understanding of what had been modeled about dealing or not dealing with grief * Suicidal thoughts, depression * Learning about healthy ways of grief, and anger, instead of hiding the pain * Drunk driving – wanting to make a difference through his programs
Resources mentioned in this episode* The Magic of Life Foundation * EMDR Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing
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Lisa Boehm heard a knock at the door just as she had gone to bed, and it was the police coming to let her know that her teenage daughter had died in a head-on collision.
Lisa tells us how she picked up the pieces of her shattered life and how she found ways to thrive and not just survive. From getting support from other moms in her community she now offers support to grieving moms.
Lisa says:
‘I think I learned a lot from other grieving moms who were further down the path. Sometimes it was just little snippets that they would say or different things... They gave me hope and I think learning that everybody copes with grief differently, that little nugget right there was enough to carry us through.’
About this week’s guest Lisa K. Boehm’s life changed forever when her daughter died suddenly in a car accident. She quickly discovered that our society struggles with death, loss, and grieving and has made it her mission to change that. In her book Journey to HEALING: A Mother’s Guide to Navigating Child Loss, she shares her experience with grief and how it intensified her love for her daughter. Now she focuses on gratitude and living intentionally as a way to honor her daughter’s memory. Lisa is an author, speaker, and certified grief educator who helps bereaved moms move beyond the pain to find peace and purpose.
Website: www.griefsupportformoms.com
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Topics discussed in this episode* The loss of her teenage daughter Katie * Suicidal thoughts and anger * Surrounding herself with other women in the community * Journaling as a resource to deal with grief * Differences in grieving styles among family members * Teenager’s grief/sibling’s grief
Resources mentioned in this episode Instrumental and intuitive grieving styles described in the book Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple* * Grief groups by the Compassionate Friends
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Today I speak with Amie where she shares how her life started with the loss of connection to her father due to mental illness and the challenging relationship with her alcoholic mother.
Amie then became pregnant for the first time, but her daughter Ruthie died after 33 days.
At 36 years, Amie was diagnosed with neck cancer which was successfully treated. She then shares how they moved across the States and their truck caught fire with many of their belongings including Ruthie’s memories gone.
Dealing with all those extreme situations, Amie learned and practiced one thing:
‘I live in this moment. I try not to think too much ahead of what's to come next or what so many call future tripping. I don't put myself in what could happen and so I really truly live today. I have a calendar and plan ahead, but I really just try and be in this moment.’
About this week’s guest Amie Lands is the author of Navigating the Unknown, Our Only Time, Perfectly Imperfect Family,and theTending to Your Heart series. She is a cancer survivor, founder of The Ruthie Lou Foundation, and a Certified Grief Recovery Specialist®. Since her daughter’s brief life, Amie’s passion is offering hope and providing support to bereaved families. Amie lives in South Carolina, United States with her husband and their two sons.
Amie’s website: www.amielandsauthor.com
Instagram: @amielandsauthor
Topics discussed in this episode* Early loss of her father through mental illness * Early child loss and pregnancy after loss * A neck cancer diagnosis at the age of 36 * Moving across the States and a fire that destroyed many personal belongings * How to love somebody that isn’t part of your life * Learning to ask for help
Resources mentioned in this episode* The Me You Can’t See (show on mental illness, Apple TV)
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Today Simone and I talk about losing the most significant men in her life. She dealt with the loss of her life partner through cancer, the sudden death of her father, and the dissolution of two marriages. After all these losses she investigated into the masculine, and she found an appreciation for the male aspect in her life and in herself.
She describes the experience of grief’s intensity in the following way:
‘The pain and intensity of it has not lessened in those moments. Yes, there are fewer and further between, but … it's okay now because I know that it comes up like a huge wave and it feels so overwhelming in the moment, but I know that it's going to leave now so it doesn't topple me over. But I'm still always quite… It's almost like impressed with that level of grief does not abate when it comes up.’
About this week’s guest Simone Surgeoner is a therapist and mentor who has helped thousands of people find their own authentic path in life. She enjoys nothing more than exploring the depths of what it means to be human. Using herself as her own guinea pig, Simone demonstrates beingness as arising from integrity with one’s essence. Helping people find their inner truth, through their own direct experience, is the core of Simone’s work.
Simone’s website: www.saksana.com.au
Topics discussed in this episode* Loss of life partner * Loss of her father * Loss of relationships, divorce * Loss of a lifestyle, home, relationships, values, dreams, identity, religion * Supporting children who lost their father * Child’s experience of grief * Giving herself a full year of grief
Resources mentioned in this episode* The Journey
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Today Sharon Ehlers and I dive into the topic of loss by suicide. We both share how we dealt with losing close people who took their own lives.
Sharon has lost multiple people in her life, two of which died by suicide. She shares so generously about all the tools and resources she found along her way that helped her deal with the losses after she realized that she wasn’t coping at all with the first loss of her best friend Joy. Attending to her grief and learning about death opened things for Sharon she wouldn’t want to miss and she says:
‘The one thing that has changed that I wouldn’t want to miss is the fact of finding what feeds your soul. Certainly, as an intellectual person, it's been about work all of my life and achieving to the point of craziness. And so now it's like, what feeds your soul, and, in many cases, it may not be what you currently do. It may not be your work, maybe something else. And finding that is important.’
About this week’s guest Sharon Ehlers’ grief and trauma journey began when her best friend as well as her former fiancé both died by suicide within two years of each other. Then her beloved Dad died unexpectedly from a fall.
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Sharon's books:
Grief Reiki® - An Integrated Approach to the Emotional, Physical and Spiritual Components of Grief and Loss
Grief Diaries: Surviving Loss by Suicide
Sharon’s Website: www.grief-reiki.com
Topics discussed in this episode* Suicide: Sharon’s best friend Joy and ex-partner John both died by suicide * The death of Sharon’s father * Dealing with the topic of suicide and the grief and trauma following a suicide * Trying to understand suicide and depression * ‘How did it happen?’ - the repercussions of this question
Resources mentioned in this episode* Grief Education Program: The Grief Recovery Method * Death Midwife Program: Sacred Crossings * Learn More About Reiki: International Association of Reiki Practitioners * Medical Reiki: Medical Reiki International * Suicide Loss Support Group: Didi Hirsch Suicide Prevention & Counseling (Los Angeles)
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Today I speak with my ex-husband and the father of our children. We reflect on eleven years since the death of our younger twin daughter A’Mya. In doing this we are spending time speaking about her, honoring her place in our lives, and, as I’d like to see it: spending time parenting her.
Our conversation was moving and opened my eyes to parts of Chris’ grief that I wasn’t aware of.
Chris says the following about his personal experience of grief:
‘It is a constant thing; it never goes away. It often pops up in little moments, sometimes catches you unexpectedly and all of a sudden, it’s like: Oh, I wasn't thinking about these things and here it is. And I think that will happen all my life. You know, there's going to be all sorts of key moments in Ananda Mae's life where I'll be wondering what would have been like two of them, what would A’Mya have been like. How would she have been? I think that's natural.’
I, Nathalie cannot say this often enough:
‘I think that is so important for people to understand that this is not something that goes away. It's just like my mother she will always be my mother and there are key moments that I miss her more and then key moments where it is less present. But this is not going to go away because she's dead. Part of her not being here present physically is a topic, the same way as for me, for you, for Ananda Mae, it's a topic that her sister is not growing up with her.’
About this week’s guest Chris and Nathalie are the parents of Ananda Mae and A’Mya, twin girls who do not grow up with each other. As their parents, they do their best at raising one here on earth and the other in the beyond, wherever that is.
Topics discussed in this episode* What we both remember from our story of loss and trauma * Individual differences in grieving and dealing with grief * Ongoing grief, what that looks like eleven years later * Parenting the non-physical child * Sibling’s grief
Resources mentioned in this episode* Check out Nathalie’s website and books
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Today I speak with Callie about the loss of her first son Coley and how she created a legacy by creating an exhibition at Present Lincoln’s Cottage in Washington, DC. Listen to Callie describing how she learned to intentionally grieve. One thing to definitely look out for in this episode is how she experiences grief loving her back.
Callie says:
‘One thing I wish I had known was that it is still possible to have a relationship with your loved one who has died. It's certainly not a relationship that you anticipate. It's not the relationship that you even necessarily wanted or had dreamed of or could have imagined. It is beautiful all at the same time.’
About this week’s guest Callie Hawkins is a grief activist and bereaved mother whose son, Coley, died of unexplained stillbirth in February 2018 -- one day after his due date. In her professional role as Director of Programming at President Lincoln's Cottage -- a historic site and museum in Washington, DC where President Abraham Lincoln and his family moved after the death of their son, Willie -- Hawkins curated Reflections on Grief and Child Loss, an exhibit that connects the Lincoln family's experience with the deaths of their children with modern families who have lost children across age and experience. Callie, her husband Jason and their living son, Fletcher, live with a deep and abiding love for Coley in the greater Washington, DC area.
Topics discussed in this episode* Callie’s son Coley dying from stillbirth * Guilt and shame * Coley’s legacy * Grief loving me back * Intentional grieving * Exhibition at Lincoln’s Cottage
Resources mentioned in this episode Reflections on Grief and Child Loss, exhibit at President Lincoln's Cottage * Video of the exhibit * Washington Post article about the exhibit * Callie's article My Grief is My Superpower*
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Today I speak with Kelsey about the loss of Nate, her husband, and the journey Kelsey took as part of dealing with his loss. She believes that: ‘The bigger the grief, the luckier you were.’ Kelsey shares so many different nuggets of wisdom that I found it hard to choose one to share with you below. Her way of looking at death and loss is different too many and honestly is refreshing. It will invite you to open your thinking and feeling about grief and trauma in a way you might never have thought to be possible.
Here is just one of Kelsey’s nuggets of wisdom:
‘If you can take the bad out of dying, whether it is suicide or sudden loss or sickness. If you can trust on some level, there's something bigger going on here. Just like when you're having that child and you are birthing it, you're in so much pain you think you're dying. But there's something bigger going on here… It gives you a little space to go: Maybe there's a different way to walk through this.’
About this week’s guest Kelsey Chittick is a writer, comedian, and inspirational speaker. Over the past 14 years, she has performed stand-up comedy all over Los Angeles and speaks at events around the country. She is the author of the best seller Second Half - Surviving Loss and Finding Magic in the Missing, a book about the sudden death of her husband in 2017.
She is the host of Mom’s Don’t Have Time to Grieve Podcast and was the co-creator of KeepON, an inspiring and humorous podcast that explored how our greatest obstacles turn out to be our greatest gifts.
Growing up in Florida, Kelsey was an accomplished student and athlete—an NCAA Championship individual qualifier and captain of the UNC women’s swimming team. She was married to Super Bowl champion Nate Hobgood-Chittick.
Instagram:
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Topics discussed in this episode* Kelsey’s husband Nate’s death from an enlarged heart and CTE (Chronic traumatic encephalopathy) * Dealing with the early stage and the physical experience of grief * Grief happening versus deciding when to grieve * Death being the greatest teacher * Grief growing up with us * Living the best life in honor of them
Resources mentioned in this episode Kelsey’s bookSecond Half - Surviving Loss and Finding Magic in the Missing*
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Today I speak with Pinky who lost her son due to inflammation that affected his heart when he was just a few months old. The birth and the loss of Leonardo both happened during the Covid pandemic and both Pinky and her husband understandably felt extremely isolated in their grief. Pinky dealt with her grief by joining a grief support group and seeing a therapist. Someone she had met through a group on Facebook gave her the book Surviving My First Year of Child Loss as a support resource.
Here is what Pinky shares about how reading the book affected her:
I felt like I was not alone in this journey. My feelings and my behaviours…, sometimes I thought I was crazy, but after reading the book I understood that it was pretty common, I was not crazy. I learned some very helpful coping mechanisms from parents in the book. I couldn't find any similar resources in my native language Vietnamese.
Pinky
About this week’s guest Huong Lan 'Pinky' Vu is a communications professional who has lived and worked in Vietnam, Singapore, and the US. After the passing of her first son, Leonardo Vu Massa, in October 2020, she and her husband founded the Leonardo's Smile Fund to support orphans in the SOS Children’s Villages Vietnam. She and her sister also translated the book Surviving My First Year of Child Loss: Personal Stories From Grieving Parents into Vietnamese with the hope to help bereaved parents in Vietnam have access to this helpful resource.
Topics discussed in this episode The sudden loss of her son Leonardo during the Pandemic * Guilt and doubt, self-blame * The power of peer support * Reading Nathalie’s book Surviving My First Year of Child Loss: Personal Stories From Grieving Parents* helped Pinky understand her grieving experience * The project of translating the book into Vietnamese * The difference in grieving between men and women
Resources mentioned in this episode* Order the Vietnamese book * Child Bereavement Support (Singapore) and the Facebook Page * Leonardo's Smile blog
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Today I speak with Ian Weedon who has lost half of his family in the past few years. Listen to Ian telling us how he deals with loss and trauma in his later stage of life. Together, we also explore how the loved one’s presence can be felt in very different ways, not always the way we want or expect it. Ian’s life story shows the reality of living a life after loss.
Ian says:
‘Of course, my life is very different. I only have the responsibility to my daughter now I don't have the responsibility to the other half of the family. I miss them greatly. My life is not as good without them, that's for sure. In spite of all the work that Anne's position entailed, I miss that. I have a lot more freedom now. But I prefer it as it was.’
About this week’s guest Originally from South Africa, Ian has been living in Switzerland for the past 36 years. He and his late wife Anne had two amazing children. Sadly, their son Derrick was killed in a motor accident in 2013 when he was just 34. Derrick had been married for just a year before his death and subsequently, his wife sued Ian’s daughter for money. The family endured four years of hardship on top of the grief.
Ian’s wife Anne suffered from MS (multiple sclerosis) for 40 years, starting soon after they were married. Despite all the challenges, they had a wonderful life together. Anne was wheelchair-bound for eighteen years. She was first partly and for the last few years entirely dependent on Ian. Anne died in 2018.
Ian misses both Anne and Derrick and especially their smiles and touches. Ian feels extremely lucky to still have his wonderful loving daughter.
Topics discussed in this episode* Derrick’s traumatic loss through a car accident * Breaking the news to his wife and daughter * Anne’s life with MS and her subsequent death * Adjusting to life without half of his family * The presence of the lost loved one
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Today I speak with Amy Watson who has experienced stillbirth & miscarriage. She talks about pregnancy after loss, how she struggled but also how she supported herself through the different losses. The interesting part of her story is how differently she experienced her two losses and how she managed those differences.
Amy says:
‘I call it Radical Self-Compassion, which means you love every part of you, including the grief, including the trauma, including the mess that it at all is, because that's the reality of being a human. We go through these hard things and even if we don't realise it, we all have these ideas of what it's supposed to look like and how we're supposed to be. I mean, that kind of covers at all? It's like an umbrella: if you're just really kind yourself. Because sometimes we think, well, if I just love myself when I want to lay in bed, I'll just lay in bed forever, right? I'll never get any better. But the opposite is true because if you're kind and you just give yourself the space to maybe sleep in a little bit, you're probably going to process through. And end up being able to get going if you want to. Or maybe you lay in bed, and you don't make it mean anything about you.’
About this week’s guest Amy Watson is a certified life and grief coach. She takes her own experiences with stillbirth, miscarriage, and pregnancy after loss and combines them with proven techniques to help moms find themselves again after loss. She shares everything she knows to help you feel more peaceful, confident, and hopeful on her podcast, Smooth Stones. Amy wants all loss parents to know that by making friends with grief, tapping into their own inner voice, and learning to ... continue reading here...
Topics discussed in this episode Lauren's stillbirth * Explaining death to Lauren’s siblings * Pregnancy after loss & when it’s the right time, support team * Firefighter and builders – read more in Nathalie's book Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple* * River's miscarriage, complicated D&C with physical trauma * Difference grieving Lauren and River * Grieving and faith * Radical self-compassion
Resources mentioned in this episode* Pregnancy After Loss eBook * Amy's Instagram @amy.smoothstonescoaching
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Today I speak with Kellie Sipos who I met as part of being a guest on her podcast, My Child Left Home for Heaven. Kellie has experienced multiple losses within her own family which started with her father’s suicide, followed by the sudden unexpected loss of her sister. In 2018 she lost her daughter Emilie through an accidental drug overdose after which Kellie candidly shares how she herself abused drugs to manage her own grief. Just a few months ago, her mother, who she cared for the last few months of her life, died too.
Kellie says:
‘Emilie’s grief was so on the top of my heart every single day until I lost my mom. Now it's like the grief of my mom is shadowing over top of the grief of Emilie, and I feel really guilty. I feel like I'm not grieving her appropriately. And then I realized: No, I'm just healing. I'm starting to move on from some of that. And yes, the grief with my mom is newer but that in time will be the same way. I think maybe having to go through it again somehow helped me get over that big hurdle of Emilie.’
About this week’s guest Kellie Sipos is the mother of 4 daughters who tragically lost her oldest, Emilie to an accidental drug overdose on July 22, 2018. Since this time Kellie has tried to stay focused on making a difference in this world. Working with children and young adults with Special Needs as a therapeutic riding instructor and an equine specialist. Mental health has always been her focus but since the loss of her child she is on a new mission, starting her podcast My Child Left Home for Heaven. Being an avid podcast listener she quickly found there were not a lot of podcasts on child loss from the Moms perspective. Continue reading here...
Topics discussed in this episode* The recent loss of her mother * Emilie, her drug addiction leading to her accidental drug overdose which killed her * Kellie’s granddaughter being taken away by her father after Emilie’s death * Drug addiction and abuse within the family and in the process of dealing with grief * PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) following the traumatic loss of Emilie * Suicide of her father, the sudden death of her sister * Post loss guilt and regrets * Compassion fatigue for therapists
Resources mentioned in this episode Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple by Nathalie Himmelrich * Shattered* by Gary Roe
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Today I speak with Domenique Rice who I have come to know as part of the Instagram community of bereaved parents supporting one another in the Grieving Parents Support Network. People come and go in this community, but Domenique has stayed actively involved and developed a voice to be noticed creating stillbirth awareness in honour of her son TJ.
She says:
‘I need to parent my son and honour where I'm at. So that's the evolution, once again of the ‘stillbirth-Mama-fighting-for light’ and how I really transitioned my grief in my reality to be unapologetic and I say that quite often: unapologetic grief. It has taken me time, but I can't sugar-coat once again my reality. I can't water myself down.’
About this week’s guest Domenique Rice wears many hats – staunch activist, laid-back California transplant, savvy Brooklyn girl, superstar salesperson – but her most important role is that of (bereaved) mother of five. Domenique never had any reason to suspect that something was amiss in her second pregnancy, at least, not until it was already too late. Like most parents, stillbirth and preventative measures were never discussed with Domenique, leaving her completely blindsided when at 36.5 weeks pregnant she unexpectedly went into labor and her second child and first son, TJ, was born still.
Read Domenique's full bio in the extended show notes here.
Feel free to connect with Domenique on her well-regarded Instagram account, @stillbirthmamafightingforlight, where she is actively breaking down stigma and dropping knowledge to prevent stillbirths from happening.
Topics discussed in this episode* The death of her son TJ, Terrance Christopher Rice * Unapologetically grieving out loud and the love for TJ * How to parent a dead child? * Using social media (IG) to talk openly and connect to other like-minded people * Differences in grieving between partners and how to support one another
Resources mentioned in this episode* PushPregnancy.org * Return to Zero Hope * Measure the placenta.org * Dr Harvey Klimans research (Placential specialist)
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Today I speak with Turiya, who – among other losses and traumas - shares the turning point in her life when she lost her then 33-year-old husband Welf von Hannover in 1981. Her relationship with death, the impermanence of physical life significantly changed another time with the loss of her beloved partner Maja 6 months ago, where she experienced something, she never had before:
‘Then one night the message came, and it was: Love Is All. And there was such a strong feeling. Love is the bond that brings us over the bridge and that brings two things into oneness, that overcomes the separation. In this case, the separation is a loss of the physical body. But the heart and the love are there. Love Is All.’
Turiya’s story is deeply moving and will encourage you to look for something beyond the physical.
About this week’s guest Turiya is the co-founder of Path Retreats and the transformational process Path of Love with Rafia Morgan. Together they also lead a one-year Holistic Counsellor training for therapists Working with People – School of Counselling.
Read Turiya's bio in the extended show notes.
Topics discussed in this episode* The death of her grandfather when she was 7 years old * The sudden and unexpected death of her husband Welf von Hannover at the age of 33 years old at the Osho Ashram * The lacking understanding of shock and trauma in the 80s * The fear of death always being present * Living in a culture that avoids death and experiences a lack of connection to the formless * Osho’s death * Maja's death * Grief and the loneliness can make one feel orphaned by existence * The importance of contact in the face of grief
Resources mentioned in this episode Quote by Carlos Castaneda:
‘Death is our eternal companion. It is always to our left, an arm's length behind us. Death is the only wise adviser that a warrior has. Whenever he feels that everything is going wrong and he's about to be annihilated, he can turn to his death and ask if that is so. His death will tell him that he is wrong, that nothing really matters outside its touch. His death will tell him, I haven't touched you yet.'
* A Year to Live: How to Live This Year as if it Were Your Last* by Stephen Levine
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‘When you decide that it is yours, you'll understand that along with that grief comes an amazing life of living after loss because you have something that no one else can ever, ever have. And that is the love, that is the love - that's the love that remains.’
Melo has experienced three multiple significant losses in a short time frame. In this interview, she explains how through grief it felt as if she lost her mind and found it again in her journey with grief and trauma.
About this week’s guest Melo Garcia, a grief specialist, assists those who have lost what isn't replaceable. She created After Chloe, an online community that provides support, resources, and assistance through the difficult grief journey, in honor of her daughter Chloe who passed away in 2011, and after losing both her parents.
Melo felt it necessary to help others deal with the grief and loss life presents from death, divorce, identity, age, fertility, and empty-nesting by creating various types of solutions that the grieving finds a life worth living.
In 2021 she started the podcast, The Resilience of Grieving, and hosts an annual online Summit during the holidays to provide resources to grievers.
Melo allows you to speak your grief in your way, a way that will assist you and inspire you to live and grieve. Find out more about Melo on After Chloe on Instagram.
Topics discussed in this episode* Compound grief: The death of Melo’s father, mother, and baby daughter Chloe in the time span of two years * How to deal with therapists who do not speak grief * How to understand trauma and how grief and trauma have shaped my life and changed me * Self-help through bibliotherapy
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‘I wish to be ok with it if for no other reason than I owed it to myself and to my still-living children and those that care about me. Because they have a right to have a full and beautiful life, and having a mother that's traumatised and overwhelmed by something that she has no control over is not doing anybody any favours.’
Katja’s story is extraordinary and has made waves in the media worldwide. Since the recording of this episode a few weeks ago the court case has taken place at the high court in Zurich, and the killer was convicted. We are planning to do Part 2 of this interview in a few weeks so stay tuned.
About this week’s guest Katja Faber is the mother of three children. Following her 23-year-old son's murder in Switzerland, she used her legal training to work closely with lawyers and the State Prosecutor to secure justice for her dead son. Through her writing at Still Standing Magazine and other grief-related publications, she hopes to break the taboo of homicide loss and child loss. She runs her own fruit farm and is an advocate of ecotherapy as a means of finding healing following a traumatic loss. Katja is a certified Compassionate Bereavement Care® counselor through the Center for Loss and Trauma in partnership with the MISS Foundation and the Elisabeth Kubler-Ross Family Trust.
Topics discussed in this episode* Homicide loss – how a parent deals with the loss, the grief, the trauma, and the legal system * Self-care, writing, nature, family support, support groups * Siblings grief, mothering living children who grieve their brother * Dealing with the media and the added pain caused by media coverage * Judgment or misunderstanding of the surroundings * Re-traumatizing the victim’s family through ongoing trials * The aspect of grief being to some degree public due to trials * How to continue living with the fact that the killer is still out there alive * The importance of accountability
Resources mentioned in this episode* Nathalie’s book Surviving My First Year of Child Loss: Personal Stories From Grieving Parents * The Compassionate Friends Facebook Groups
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Episode introduction‘Whether healing is possible or not, is irrelevant. It has to be possible for me because this is the life that I want, and I am not willing to give up.’
Rachel Tenpenny gave birth to twin girls Aubrey and Ellie on June 24th, 2008. They both died a few days after their birth. Rachel talks to us about her grieving and healing story and how she came to strongly believe that healing is possible
About this week’s guest Rachel Tenpenny is a grief expert, emotional well-being specialist, and life-after-loss coach. With over 13 years of experience healing her own heart after her baby daughters died in 2008, she has helped hundreds of people find healing after life’s most painful experiences. Rachel believes grief is not forever and teaches grievers how to heal physically and emotionally with a unique and effective holistic approach to cultivating healing that lasts a lifetime. Originally from a small town in Southern California, she now lives in Northern Virginia with her two boys, Dustin and Colton.
Topics discussed in this episode* Why and how healing is possible * A society that does not understand grief and how confused we are about grief * What does it look like when ‘grief isn’t forever'? * We don’t have to be isolated in our grief * Debunking grief myths * ‘Time heals all wounds’: Time is just time, it is what we choose to do with time * Grief skills are life skills and need to be learned
Resources mentioned in this episode* Rachel’s website * Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple (book)
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