Music Mothers and Others: Recent Episodes
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Somewhere in the music industry, between ‘sex drugs and rock and roll’ and The Wiggles, is the rest of us. ‘Music Mothers and Others’ is an audio parents group —a chance to discuss how parenting fits (or doesn’t) into music industry life. During the series we’ll talk to people from across the industry – artists, promotors, techs, broadcasters, writers, academics, teachers – anyone who has a gig in ‘industry’, whatever that means.
Hosts Liz Giuffre and Shelley Brunt are industry veterans, academics and parents – as well as members of the broader village. For more see us at https://musicmothersandothers.com/ and of course at 2SER FM, https://2ser.com/
Martha WainwrightThis very special ‘out of session’ episode is an interview with Martha Wainwright. The Canadian/America singer songwriter is a prolific artist and performer, as well as part of one of the most loved musical dynasties ever, the Wainwright/McGarrigle families. Although there’s no getting away from her name (she does admit having considered it, at least once), instead Martha continues to build on the legacies she’s inherited. Her new album “Love Will Be Reborn”, is a gorgeous adventure into how things have changed – not always happily – but how new things can emerge if you keep going. It’s not all sunshine and roses, but it’s not all dark skies and deep gin glasses either. She spoke to Liz during lockdown – and she, and we, can’t wait to have her back in Australia when this little virus getting in everyone’s way is sorted out.
Again, we are so damn lucky to have some many wonderful guests to give us insight into how they manage their artistic lives and, well, the rest of their lives. In this second 'Best Of', here guests from Season 1 give us their recommendations to improve industry - how, from their viewpoint, they think we could make the creative space a much more family friendly one. Thanks again for listening, and to our guests for their time and faith in us all doing the juggle!
We are so lucky to have the best of the best from all aspects of industry. Artists, promoters, techs, teachers … you’ve heard it, you know. Over our two seasons we’ve asked everyone who’ll talk to us what they would do to improve industry – to make it more family friendly, for as many families (and friends) as possible. The answers are wonderful – and we’re pleased to say that we’re starting to see and hear change too. Small Fry Rock, we’re looking at you! This ep also features The Soul Movers (hello Murray Wiggle), Jane Gazzo and a host of others.
We ask all our guests this question here at Music Mothers and Others – finish the sentence ‘the kids and I are listening to’…’The answers to the question have been genre and era defining, weird, wonderful and delightful! This is a 'best of for Season 1' - We’d also love to hear from you – what are YOU and the kids listening to where you are – be in touch and let us know.
We ask all our guests this question here at Music Mothers and Others – finish the sentence ‘the kids and I are listening to’…’The answers to the question have been genre and era defining, weird, wonderful and delightful! This is a 'best of for Season 2' - We’d also love to hear from you – what are YOU and the kids listening to where you are – be in touch and let us know.
Have you ever pined to see your favourite Australian band play live, but you’re stuck at home with the baby? Enter the amazing “Small Fry Rock” concert series, created for Sydney audiences by our guest today, KJ (Kristie Jane) Tainton. These gigs bring on the live music for the grown ups but at a nap-friendly afternoon time slot AND in a venue that caters to the little ones: let the toddlers take over the moshpit with their groovy dancing and balloon-popping moves! “Small Fry Rock” provides that much-needed grown-up music fix at a time when parents need it the most.In this episode KJ explains how necessity was the mother of invention for her own practice – literally juggling her own bub and music industry work as we spoke. She also gave us insight into her own musical inspirations, including an excellent older brother (how many great careers were launched by the taste of their siblings?) It’s an amazing initiative that’s sure to go from strength to strength.
Lizzie Mack and Murray Cook are the heart of The Soul Movers, a Sydney based retro funk (plus more) mega group. Now three albums deep they talk about their new offering, “Evolution” while also exploring what got them here.Although Murray’s musical life might be a bit more well-known to audiences of a certain age (the OG Red Wiggle, but of course), Lizzie’s journey is also fascinating and varied. Dean Martin! Dusty Springfield! Bruce Springstreen! The White Stripes! Dan Sultan! – there’s so much here to unpack.Lizzie and Murray describe the music they make (both in the past and now) in terms of ‘spreading joy’ – and indeed, what a joy they are! Listen for more about their current work, as well as projects with the next generation including established and emerging artists, all while having ‘belief’ the broader village.Full tour dates and release information is available via their website, as well as their super active socials@soulmoversband (Insta)fb.com/soulmoversbandsoulmoversband.com
Tegan Taylor is one of the most trusted voices in Australian radio at the moment. For over a year now, Tegan has been one half of the ABC’s must-listen podcasts —Coronacast—along with Dr Norman Swan. Together, they have provided a steady voice of reason during the coronavirus outbreak, by asking questions, giving clear answers, and always showing the importance of staying open to learn more. They’ve won the nation’s hearts and trust, and more than one award in their travels too (hello, Walkleys!).In our chat Tegan talks to us about juggling (or seesaw-ing) between work/life roles, working and parenting in lockdown and generally being a calm, informed but entertaining voice guiding the nation. She’s a complete delight, and also available on the twitter bug at https://twitter.com/teegstar
In addition to working as a self-managed artist for over a decade and raising two children, in recent times musician & songwriter GeorgiaFields has launched a new online community called Mother Lode – a space to support and connect working mums in the Australian music industry, and a way to work collectively to encourage structural changes that will make the industry more accessible for mothers. She is absolutely speaking, and playing, our language!Georgia’s professional life as an independent musician, songwriter, and arranger based in Melbourne, Australia positions her perfectly to connect communities of like minded and diverse people. In this chat we ask her about her own career, but also her aspirations for improving and expanding the industry. You can find Mother Lode on Instagram @findthemotherlode, with a website to come soon. This episode features Georgia's song, The Hood and the Hunter, used here with full permission
Country music star Felicity Urquhart & folk/blues musician Josh Cunningham are, separately, highly accomplished and award winning musicians with extensive ‘musical lives’. Now, together they are making wonderful music again, with their ‘duet album’, “The Song Club”, out now via ABC Music/Universal.This baby arose from a challenge that began pre-lockdown in 2020 and brought everyone some sanity as well as some great tunes, as part of an initiative where artists were invited to a creative collective that challenged members to write one song a week. The outcome was a lifeline to creative work during the crisis: they played all the instruments and did all the production themselves from Urquhart’s home studio on the NSW Central Coast, creating enough ‘good tunes’ to make a whole new release.During the chat they each talk about their own journeys to and through music, as well as how their building a musical life together. All with family life happening as part of, rather than apart from, the stage and recording booth.
Musician, writer, broadcaster and self described ‘Music Industry Veteran’ Jane Gazzo ‘‘welcomed us into the weekend’ every Saturday morning in the late 90s as the co-host of the youth music tv show Recovery. She spent the naughties broadcasting to the UK spreading musical good news, returned to commercial radio to give it some proper cred and has most recently returned to the ABC for the lockdown and beyond music show The Sound.As a journalist she’s been working across media for years too – and we love her music writing as well as presenting and interviewing. Jane’s series of interviews with “Music Industry Mums” for the Australian Music Vault has given us particular inspiration, with Jane leading the way in bringing the worlds of music and motherhood together. Candid practical and inspiring pieces, Jane’s skills bringing people’s stories to the page with vivid detail.In addition to catching her talking to us (with Shelley and Liz fangirling like it’s 1999), if you’re in Melbourne you can also catch her live as part of the Music at the Movies series. A deadset legend, continuing leading light in the industry and of course, a Music Mother and Other.
Dale Packard, the General Manager of Music Victoria — the not-for-profit independent voice that champions all things concerning the Victorian music industry. He’s had a past life as an active musician, a band tour manager in Europe, and an artist manager, working with artists such as Chet Faker, Midnight Juggernauts, Grimes and many more.Dale is also a dad who has combined his love for kids and the music industry by solely directing his own development project —the Club Kids Music Academy. It has become a platform for young children to experiment with electronic music and technology in an educational and creative space.During our interview Dale shares insights from his many vantage points, including as a parent to an extremely cool little person who also pops up at the end of the interview. Two for one, listeners – a great set of recommendations to add to your next playlist.
Childz Play is “the world’s premier Kidz Bop review podcast”, dreamed up by comedians and general creative masterminds Adam H. Phillips and R. Alex Murray. For those of us who didn’t grow up with Kidz Bop in our lives, think of it as the Mickey Mouse Club meets the 100% Hits franchise – an insanely popular American series of albums where kids re-record hit songs of the day, but with all the swears taken out.The podcast started as a joke between gaming friends Adam H. Phillips and R. Alex Murray, and our first contact with them started through a podcasting algorithm that thought ‘people who talk about kids and music might also want to talk to each other’. This chance encounter has turned into a hilarious chat about what kids music actually is (or if there even is such a thing), while getting to the heart of what two grown men are actually doing paying this much attention to Kids Bop, anyway.Along the way we also learn about their other ‘lives’ – R. Alex Murray is also a children’s entertainer, standup and multipod man, while Adam H Phillips has a former live as a Dad Band Prodigy. You can find and support their pod via the Missing Sock network – they even do merch as well as their own ‘kids safe’ covers.
T Wilds (Tania Wilds), a singer/songwriter based in the Blue Mountains in NSW.With a former musical life in the Sydney nineties-naughties indie superscene with SPDFGH and Half a Cow, she’s since been in, out and around the industry here and also overseas. To get the up-to-date details, she’s here to tell us about the journey, and her new work, “I Swim”, her first work in over a decade.Particularly inspiring was how parenting put her work in pause, but then also, was a major part of getting her back in the scene. It wasn’t just a love of the craft, but the active encouragement of her daughter who’s gotten Wilds back out there. This is a ‘stage Mum’ of a different type – when the daughter is the one pushing Mum back to the stage! The work, and the chat, was a delight. And the music is incredible. Full access to the her independent single, “I Swim” is up on the podcast too, with full permission granted. As well as a co-written original with Mum and Bub.
Shevonne Hunt really is across music, mother(ing) and other(ing), with her voice and words across some of the most well known parenting media across Australia. With a background in news and documentary, she now brings warm commentary to the hard slog of everyday life with littlies.Shevonne is a broadcaster, podcaster, writer, producer, MC and facilitator (and more). You may hear her most regularly as the voice of Feed Play Love and The Parent Panel for The Parent Brand, or read her work on Daily Life or Kidspot, or feel in love with her as a producer and audio maker for the ABC, where she’s made award winning docos for Backyard Briefing, RN and local radio.In this episode she talks about creative industries work before, during and after having kids, with one of the most stella being this piece, “The Music Makers“, as well as the great podcast she created called “The Lullaby Effect” with Dr Anita Collins.
Dr Ben Green is a Brisbane-based researcher and teacher in music and creative industries as well as a member of what he calls “two low key but constant bands that are mostly dads”. Can we call them “Dad Bands”? Have a listen for yourself – we love them! Tape/Off (https://tapeoff.net) and Gold Stars (https://zangrecords.bandcamp.com/album/noise-bridge). This episode also feature’s Ben’s music, used with full permission. Follow the links there for more.Ben is a cultural sociologist working in music scenes, cultural policy and youth studies. He is a postdoctoral researcher and lecturer at Griffith University and teaches in creative industries at JMC Academy. His forthcoming book Peak Music Experiences: A New Perspective on Popular Music, Identity and Scenes (Routledge) draws from research with fans and musicians about the musical moments that have defined their lives and continue to drive them, including cherished family memories. Other projects have included live music planning for local government, music-making as a source of well-being for young people, and COVID-19 recovery in the arts. You can read more at of his work below –‘A long way to the top: Australian musicians balance multiple roles to make their careers work’ (The Conversation)‘Researching Regional and Rural Music Scenes’ (Popular Music & Society). This episode also features "Valley" by Gold Stars, used with full permission.
The creative industries are not just one thing – so the best creative industries workers are never doing just one thing at a time. Enter Fionna Allan – a music mother and other who seems to never be idle. She’s a Creative Project Manager (amongst other things!) working across a variety of music and arts platforms, including arts & music festivals, live music venues, community radio and events. Currently based in Victoria, Australia, she’s worked across the world in event production, festival production, ticketing and box office, artist bookings, venues and radio.Fionna’s email address at the moment has her named as “Office Manager, 94.9 MAINfm“, and she’s recently taken on the role of Regional Music Coordinator for Mt Alexander Shire – working for Music Victoria/Regional Arts Victoria. We’re thrilled to hear about how she juggles, and has juggled, it all. During our chat she also dropped lots of names (and we loved it!), everyone from Peaches to LCD Sound System, Jon Spencer Blues, Beth Ditto, Hot Chip and Will Young.
For International Women’s Day 2021 we’re celebrating by revisiting three of our 2020 guests, Nardi Simpson, Nat Bartsch and Kate Duncan. As women who cover different aspects of the creative industries, they each taught us something important about mixing the personal with the professional. These three were just some of the gems we gathered during season one in 202o – thank you again for everyone who took a chance on us and shared their stories.Keeping this all together are their answers to the question ‘What would you change or add to make the music and creative industries better for families’? Recorded under the veil of COVID in bedrooms, front rooms and playrooms, there is of course the odd baby crying and mother death stare shot – so don’t mind the audio moving around a bit at times.As always – content is key! Thanks again for listening, and if you want to hear the full eps, and more, go to our menu or search through on your pod provider. And don’t forget to support these and other artists as well too.
If The Wiggles are The Beatles of kids music, then Don Spencer is Johnny Cash. A pioneer, activist, community leader, multi talented artist and extremely generous supporter of the next generation(s) of music makers and participants, Don’s work spans over half a century and continues on and on. The founder of the Australian Children’s Music Foundation, Don’s is the voice, and face, of many soundtracks for generations with his own releases, as well as huge stints on Play School both here and in the UK. In addition to music for families, Don has also written extensively for screen, including a gig for 1960s TV that saw him tour with the Rolling Stones.Never idle, since our chat Don has also put together a special Christmas concert to bring some light to 2020. We are very thrilled to have him on – absolute national treasure, Order of Australia recipient, Don Spencer, welcome!
Chris Carey is an internationally renowned member of the global creative industries community. As the founder of the FastForward music industry events (festivals for industry, if you will, that took off around the world including in London, Amsterdam and Sydney), he is also the founder of Media Insight Consulting, an organisation that helps the industry understand itself. With a background in record companies and live music, Chris is a mentor at Abbey Road, he’s currently Head of Marketing and Comms at TicketSwap, and also currently leading the #LocalLegends campaign – which has raised over 325,000 AUD for music venues.For our chat Chris literally stayed up late to talk to us, Zooming in all the way from late night Amsterdam to connect to an early Australian east coast morning. The conversation covered his journey in industry, his dedication to creating inclusive events, and details of an opening break that connects his career back to The Wiggles. They really are our musical Kevin Bacon, aren’t they?
Stephanie Ashworth and Paul Dempsey are Australian music legends. As two thirds of the multi-award winning Something For Kate, Stephanie and Paul join us as part of their epic promo-from-home junket to celebrate the band’s 7th studio album, The Modern Medieval. While working parents everywhere have copped it during lockdown (especially those in Melbourne), these two must have had it especially tough. When you’re both musicians, both working in the same band, how do you decide who gets to ‘tap out during bathtime’? Who goes to soundcheck while the other does sleepytime? Is an excellent babysitter just part of the demands for the band’s rider? Or are the kids being trained as next gen roadies?The Modern Medieval was mostly all done before the world changed due to a pesky virus, so the recording process itself was relatively ‘normal’. Not so was the final stretch and ‘what next’ – with family life and work life all happening in the one place and without the usual support (and live audience for perspective and escape!). We hear more about how they’ve coped, as well as how they are providing for the next generation of Australian creatives.
Virginia Hanlon Grohl is a legend. The name may come to you via her famous son, Nirvana/Foo Fighters’ Dave Grohl (who she adorably calls ‘David’), but as a writer, musician and just PERSON in her own rite, she’s fascinating to listen to. This piece comes out of Liz’s archive from 2018, with a previous generation of mic and baby #1 rather than #2 in the way. Sorry about that – although, who else is going to understand the juggle, hey?The chat came as part of the promotions for Virginia’s appearance at Big Sound 2018 to promote her book From The Cradle to the Stage: stories from the mothers who rocked and raised rock stars (Hatchette Books). Part of the interview published at the time via The Music, but this is the first time the whole thing has been released, including important details about how she juggled raising a child who would enter the music industry – and how she’s kept on now as a Music Mother and (Grand)Mother with Dave’s amazing daughters too. Her insights into her own musical practice and use of music to make connections with her children are fascinating, as are the conversations she has with the variety of women who raised the sounds in your collection. The pod version includes a little snippet of a conversation between Virginia and Dave from the book's official website too. For more on that go to https://www.fromcradletostage.com/
Kate Duncan is the CEO of youth music organisation The Push Inc. Leading the organisation, Kate oversees the management and strategic direction of a range of contemporary music programs, events and advocacy campaigns targeted towards young people across Australia. Prior to working at The Push, Kate spent several years in Local Government developing a range of award-winning youth music programs, as well as working for the Victorian Government Office for Youth, managing the National Youth Week grants program. Kate is a current member of the Victorian Arts Industry Council, Advisory Panel Member for Music Australia, and previous member of the ABC Advisory Council.During out chat Kate gets real about the realities of leading during lockdown – a wonderfully insightful, frank and warm piece. She’s a true leader – showing those of us having it going on today how it’s done, and giving those of the future a light ahead.
Heidi Braithwaite is an icon of the behind-the-scenes workings of Australian music. She’s worked as a publicist, copyrighter, media strategist and general ‘muso wrangler’ – extremely important work that makes sure that those that make the music find their way into the ears, eyes and diaries of those who want to hear and see it.Heidi founded Riot House in 2006 and continues on as its Managing Director. With the business Heidi leads a passionate group of creative industry workers who keep the wheels turning beyond the speakers and the stage. She is also a Board Member at Music Victoria and a passionate leader in the music industry, showing, by example, how parenting and the creative arts work can co-exist. We are in awe of her organisational excellence, let alone her exceptional eye and ear for spotting and supporting talent. Hell, we’re in awe of her talent too!
Nat Bartsch is a 2020 ARIA-nominated, multi-award-winning Australian pianist and composer who creates lyrical, ethereal work that explores the space between classical and jazz genres. Her work has taken her around the world, and more recently, into bedrooms and playrooms with her “Lullaby” projects – where parenting and musician-ing have literally come together. You can hear, buy and enjoy them via ABC Music/Universal – look out for albums “Forever, and No Time at All” and “Forever More“; and while you’re there, check out the rest of her work, including with her solo work and with the outfit The Nat Bartsch Trio.During the chat we explore personal and professional relationships to music, as well the the responsibility of passing those relationships on to the next generation. We also ask the question ‘do classical musicians actually secretly love Kylie’?!?
Dave McCormack has a golden voice box and wonderful ‘bitsa’ musical catalogue. As singer and songwriter for indie darlings Custard he’s told us Music is Crap and taken us to his new Apartment (baby), with releases extending from before Y2K all the way to Couples Fights happening in releases made before 2020 was just about the Rona.As a screen composer he’s made soundtracks for Australian screen icons like Rake, Jack Irish, and Redfern Now, and as if that wasn’t enough he’s also the voice of Bandit Healer from Bluey, Australia’s greatest Dad since the Norm, the ‘Life Be In It’ Bloke. Also a proud dad to two girls himself (who he sneakily steals ideas from!), the chat sees something shiny and gets distracted at times, but we defy you to resist his charm as it oozed from the speakers.
Nardi Simpson is an incredibly accomplished Yuwaalaraay Writer, Composer, Musician and Culture Keeper. Her talents extend, but are not limited, to singer/songwriting with the vocal duo Stiff Gins (among other things), musical directing for the Barayagal Choir, as well as writing for the stage.
Her most recent adventure is as the new author of “Song of the Crocodile”, a novel out via Hatchette books, widely hailed as a “mesmerising debut”.
As part of her chat with us she explained the creative process writing with her son, as well as how the strings to her bow all sing together (as it were). Also listen hard for a MMO exclusive – hopefully the seeds of Nardi’s next work have been planted here. Funny, wise and kind – we could listen to Nardi all day…
When Regurgitator took to the 'kids music market', 90s and 00s kids held their breath. Will it work? How will it work? And what can be added?The BIG add is Koko - an amazing musician, artist and performer who adds an incredible energy to the show. Definitely, definitely, definitely making sure it's not boring!For Music Mothers and Others Koko talked to us about her former life as a muso in WA, a bit about some current side hustles, and her role as the country's favourite Krafty Aunty during lockdown via her Koko Insta sessions.
Matt Okine and KLP (Kristy Lee Peters) are Triple J alumni, awesome artists in their own rite, and friends with kids. Their album, “Welcome to Diver City”, takes us on a ‘day in the life’ journey, put down with an EDM bed. Get your glow sticks and get ready – Matt and Kristy are across engaging audiences of all ages with quality tunes.Out in all the forms via ABC Music/Universal, Diver City provides a chance reconsider what ‘kids’ music is – not something that’s just for one audience or another, but for anyone who fancies it. We especially loved Matt’s stories about the music that keeps his daughter close to the Grandma she won’t be able to know in person; and Kristy’s devotion to a super wide musical diet for everyone.
Alexandra Plim is a multi-talented artist – a mother and other across stage, screen, sound and vision. Her work first hit us via Kid Tub Time Machine, an offshoot of Hot Dub Time Machine put together by her husband Tom Loud.As his co-captain in the show (“Lou Lou Loud”) as well as co-captain in life, Alexandra’s art meets family life is a juggle. But then why not add circus performer to her list of talents?Since lockdown Hot Dub has become Home Dub. This has seen Alexandra, as well as the little Dubbers, broadcasting from home to all over the world. When we’re all allowed outside again make sure to catch her visual art, as well as a family friendly version of the audio/visual sound spectacular.
Andrew P Street is The Bomb. As a music writer Andrew has written for the Sydney Morning Herald, the Guardian, the ABC, Rolling Stone, Cosmos, the Monthly, Time Out, NME, The Music and many others. As a political commentator he’s also written for many of the above, including now writing a Patreon-supported guide to contemporary Australian politics. Written with style, snaz and in terms the rest of us can understand, he’s bloody funny, too.APS has also written books, including The Long and Winding Way To The Top: Fifty (or so) Songs That Made Australia, The Short & Excruciatingly Embarrassing Reign of Captain Abbott andThe Curious Story of Malcolm Turnbull: the Incredible Shrinking Man in the Top Hat. He spoke to us on Music Mothers and Others about life as a parent, uncle, musician and writer – as well as his deep and everlasting love of The Muppets.
Gotta Be Done just HAD to be done by Mary Bolling and Kate McMahon. They created a podcast deep-diving into all things wonderful about Australian kids TV show Bluey.As music-loving ex-journo mothers and others, the Melbourne based podcasters and communications specialists are shining a light on excellent children’s entertainment.Mary and Kate started Gotta Be Done – The Bluey Podcast well before the awards, international acclaim and Disney came knocking for this special show. But these excellent spotters knew, way back when, that the little TV show about a Blue Heeler family was extraordinary. They have done it justice by creating what was the first (and we think best!) podcast dedicated to Bluey. But beyond that, they also talk about deep diving into worlds of music and family entertainment, parenting, old and new pop culture, and the joy of re-watching.With passionate listeners all over the world, Gotta Be Done proves that bingeing Bluey is for everyone.
The Teeny Tiny Stevies are sisters Beth and Byll Stephen.They are musician mothers and others – starting as indie folk duo The Little Stevies before getting Teeny Tiny.Their third (Teeny) album, Thoughtful Songs for Little People, is the latest in a suite (and sweet) collection of songs that combines excellent music, fab messages and absolutely passes the ‘listen again and again’ test. They spoke to MMO about their lives pre and post kids and their experiences as kids of musos themselves.“I’ve kinda been surrounded by these immediate musical heroes that have been in my family since being really little!” – Beth Stephen.
Shelley Brunt and Liz Giuffre are Music Mothers and Others. More specifically, they’re academics, music industry specialists and people who are parents. The Doctor Ladies meet well over a decade ago, busy then specialising in popular music studies, screen, media, music industry and other bright young things. Since having their own bright young things they have continued those studies with a personal and professional U-Turn into how these work (or don’t) for parents, carers and families. When they’re not making the show they’re writing a book Popular Music and Parenting (Routledge, 2021), as well as researching, teaching and playing hide and seek.
Somewhere in the music industry, between ‘sex drugs and rock and roll’ and The Wiggles, is the rest of us. ‘Music Mothers and Others’ is an audio parents group —a chance to discuss how parenting fits (or doesn’t) into music industry life. During the series we’ll talk to people from across the industry – artists, promotors, techs, broadcasters, writers, academics, teachers – anyone who has a gig in ‘industry’, whatever that means.Hosts Liz Giuffre and Shelley Brunt are industry veterans, academics and parents – as well as members of the broader village. Broadcast on 2SER 107.3FM in Sydney, Mondays 7.30pm, and anytime with extras at https://musicmothersandothers.com/