Physician NonClinical Careers with John Jurica

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Dr. David exceeded his clinical income without sacrificing time in his full-time position.
Dr. Anke retired from her practice while generating the same monthly consulting income.
And Dr. Elliott added meaningful consulting work without lowering his clinical income or job satisfaction.

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Dr. Chiagozie Fawole, a pediatric anesthesiologist and entrepreneur, joins John to share her shift from real estate investing to business acquisition as a strategy for building wealth and achieving financial independence beyond clinical work. She began exploring real estate during residency, progressing from house flips to multifamily rentals and luxury short-term stays, developing skills in deal analysis, financing, and management.

After facing cash flow challenges and capital demands in real estate, she pivoted to business acquisition, learning how to buy profitable companies with minimal upfront costs. She explains how acquiring existing businesses provides immediate income, operational systems, and customers, with less risk than starting from scratch.

Dr. Fawole now teaches other physicians how to do the same through her website, savvydocevents.com, and discusses her upcoming Catalyst Business Acquisition Bootcamp.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/business-ownership-is-better/

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If you’re a physician with at least 5 years of experience looking for a flexible, non-clinical, part-time medical-legal consulting role…

How can he make such a bold claim? It's simple, he gets results…

Dr. David exceeded his clinical income without sacrificing time in his full-time position.
Dr. Anke retired from her practice while generating the same monthly consulting income.
And Dr. Elliott added meaningful consulting work without lowering his clinical income or job satisfaction.

So, if you’re a physician with 5+ years of experience and you want to find out exactly how to add $100K in additional consulting income in just 12 months, go to arminfeldman.com.

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Dr. Meredith Loveless, an OB-GYN physician, shares her career shift from academic medicine to becoming Chief Medical Officer for CGS Administrators, a Medicare Administrative Contractor. After helping establish pediatric and adolescent gynecology programs at Johns Hopkins and the University of Louisville, she found herself carrying an unsustainable workload when her department shrank from five physicians to two—prompting her to explore non-clinical paths where she could apply her experience in medical writing and policy.

She describes the world of Medicare administration, where Contract Medical Directors are responsible for creating Local Coverage Determinations—policies that guide what treatments and services Medicare will cover based on medical evidence. With the introduction of the 21st Century Cures Act, these policies now require greater transparency and rigor, opening the door for physicians with strong clinical and writing backgrounds to contribute meaningfully to federal healthcare decision-making.

Dr. Loveless also outlines what the role involves day-to-day, including frequent travel, collaboration with subject matter experts, and the long timelines often needed to develop and implement coverage policies. She offers a grounded look at Medicare administration, challenging misconceptions while showing how physicians can move into policy work that influences care access and quality for millions of people—bringing clinical expertise into one of healthcare’s most impactful arenas.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/chief-medical-officer-for-a-mac/

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If you’re a physician with at least 5 years of experience looking for a flexible, non-clinical, part-time medical-legal consulting role…

How can he make such a bold claim? It's simple, he gets results…

Dr. David exceeded his clinical income without sacrificing time in his full-time position.
Dr. Anke retired from her practice while generating the same monthly consulting income.
And Dr. Elliott added meaningful consulting work without lowering his clinical income or job satisfaction.

So, if you’re a physician with 5+ years of experience and you want to find out exactly how to add $100K in additional consulting income in just 12 months, go to arminfeldman.com.

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Learn the business and management skills you need by enrolling in the University of Tennessee Physician Executive MBA program at nonclinicalphysicians.com/physicianmba.

Get the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.

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In this continuation of the conversation with Dr. Josh Umbehr, the focus shifts to how his 15 years in membership-based care have led to innovations beyond the traditional Direct Primary Care model. He shares how the success of his practice inspired the creation of Atlas MD’s electronic medical record system, designed specifically for direct care practices. Unlike traditional systems overloaded with insurance-driven features, this EMR streamlines clinical work by removing unnecessary administrative functions.

He also introduces his latest venture, Not Health Insurance, a fixed indemnity plan designed to complement DPC by covering major medical costs like hospitalizations, cancer treatment, and emergency procedures. Unlike ACA plans, this model returns money directly to patients and takes advantage of significant uninsured discounts from hospitals that often go unnoticed.

By removing insurance barriers from routine care while still providing support for serious medical needs, this approach creates a more efficient and accessible healthcare experience. It also addresses common concerns about physician access and system sustainability, offering a model that prioritizes both patient outcomes and professional satisfaction.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/thrive-with-direct-primary-care/

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If you’re a physician with at least 5 years of experience looking for a flexible, non-clinical, part-time medical-legal consulting role…

How can he make such a bold claim? It's simple, he gets results…

Dr. David exceeded his clinical income without sacrificing time in his full-time position.
Dr. Anke retired from her practice while generating the same monthly consulting income.
And Dr. Elliott added meaningful consulting work without lowering his clinical income or job satisfaction.

So, if you’re a physician with 5+ years of experience and you want to find out exactly how to add $100K in additional consulting income in just 12 months, go to arminfeldman.com.

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Learn the business and management skills you need by enrolling in the University of Tennessee Physician Executive MBA program at nonclinicalphysicians.com/physicianmba.

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Dr. Josh Umbehr shares his 15-year journey building one of the earliest and most influential Direct Primary Care (DPC) practices, launched in 2010 after seeing firsthand how insurance-based medicine complicates care. While working as a biller and coder during his pre-med years, he saw how much time and money was lost to bureaucracy. Inspired by his father’s straightforward trash collection business—“pay once a month, pick up once a week”—he applied the same logic to healthcare: simple, transparent, and direct.

His model strips away insurance entirely, offering wholesale medications, low-cost labs, and unlimited access via calls, texts, and in-person visits—all without billing headaches. By eliminating the administrative layers that bog down traditional practice, Dr. Umbehr created a system that puts the focus back where it belongs: on the patient.

The result is a more sustainable way to practice medicine that helps prevent physician burnout by allowing doctors to spend time-solving problems, not just documenting them for insurance. His practice has since expanded with partners and new locations, and he's developed tools like custom EMRs and consulting services to help others make the shift.

At its core, his philosophy is simple: basic healthcare should be affordable. It is so affordable, that it’s “too cheap to insure” without compromising quality.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/switch-to-direct-primary-care/

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If you’re a physician with at least 5 years of experience looking for a flexible, non-clinical, part-time medical-legal consulting role…

How can he make such a bold claim? It's simple, he gets results…

Dr. David exceeded his clinical income without sacrificing time in his full-time position.
Dr. Anke retired from her practice while generating the same monthly consulting income.
And Dr. Elliott added meaningful consulting work without lowering his clinical income or job satisfaction.

So, if you’re a physician with 5+ years of experience and you want to find out exactly how to add $100K in additional consulting income in just 12 months, go to arminfeldman.com.

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Learn the business and management skills you need by enrolling in the University of Tennessee Physician Executive MBA program at nonclinicalphysicians.com/physicianmba.

Get the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.

Get a list of 70 nontraditional jobs at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs.

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Jonathan Jaffin, MD, is a trauma surgeon who earned his medical degree from Johns Hopkins and completed his general surgery residency through the National Capital Consortium, followed by a fellowship in surgical critical care at MedStar Georgetown. He dedicated over 30 years to the U.S. Army, taking on key leadership roles including Deputy Commander and Acting Commander of the Army Medical Research and Materiel Command, as well as CEO of the Walter Reed Health Care System. After retiring from military service, he transitioned into consulting as a Specialist Executive at Deloitte, one of the world’s leading advisory firms—a unique path for a physician.

Dr. Jaffin discusses how the leadership experience he gained in the military helped him succeed in consulting, where he provided strategic guidance to healthcare systems such as the VA and the Department of Defense. He talks candidly about the realities of life in consulting—frequent travel, the value of clinical experience in building client trust, and the importance of clear communication. He also emphasizes that while an MBA can be helpful, it’s not essential if a physician has already built a strong foundation in leadership and professional relationships.

He also shares practical advice for physicians considering consulting careers, such as taking on leadership roles, developing a strong network, and building credibility in a specific area of expertise. For those thinking about leaving clinical practice, he offers a reassuring perspective: it’s still possible to make a meaningful impact by improving healthcare systems and policies that affect thousands of patients—not just one at a time.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/first-class-consulting/

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If you’re a physician with at least 5 years of experience looking for a flexible, non-clinical, part-time medical-legal consulting role…

How can he make such a bold claim? It's simple, he gets results…

Dr. David exceeded his clinical income without sacrificing time in his full-time position.
Dr. Anke retired from her practice while generating the same monthly consulting income.
And Dr. Elliott added meaningful consulting work without lowering his clinical income or job satisfaction.

So, if you’re a physician with 5+ years of experience and you want to find out exactly how to add $100K in additional consulting income in just 12 months, go to arminfeldman.com.

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Learn the business and management skills you need by enrolling in the University of Tennessee Physician Executive MBA program at nonclinicalphysicians.com/physicianmba.

Get the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.

Get a list of 70 nontraditional jobs at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs.

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Dr. Ati Hakimi, a Northwestern-trained family physician with additional geriatrics training from Rush University Medical Center and an executive healthcare MBA from UC Irvine, joins John to illuminate the transformative potential of Direct Primary Care (DPC) as a pathway back to fulfilling, independent medical practice.

After experiencing burnout from corporate medicine's unattainable metrics and assembly-line patient loads, Dr. Hakimi discovered DPC—a membership-based model where patients pay a flat monthly fee (around $150) for unlimited access to their physician through calls, texts, and visits. John and Dr. Hakimi discuss how this approach eliminates insurance bureaucracy while delivering remarkable benefits: deeply discounted labs, imaging, and medications; unhurried appointments; and the freedom to practice medicine according to one's own values rather than corporate metrics.

With only 150 patients (compared to thousands in traditional practice), Dr. Hakimi operates with minimal overhead, no staff, and complete autonomy—creating a practice that not only better serves her "members" (she doesn't call them patients because "they're not sick") but has restored her professional joy. Their candid conversation reveals how physicians at breaking points with corporate medicine might find salvation in this model without needing to abandon clinical practice or compromise their incomes.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/awesome-direct-primary-care/

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This classic episode features Dr. David Yeh, a Cornell-educated radiologist trained at NYU Medical School with fellowship training at UPenn, who transformed his financial expertise into a successful career as an Investment Advisor Representative after achieving financial independence at age 45—while maintaining the physician's desire to educate rather than simply manage money.

After finding himself buried in credit card debt as an intern despite his elite education, Dr. Yeh shares his compelling journey through financial education and the eventual development of sophisticated investment techniques that required monitoring just once monthly. His approach focuses on risk mitigation rather than aggressive returns, using mathematical filters borrowed from his radiology background to identify market trends and protect investments from major downturns.

John and Dr. Yeh dive into the differences between the three financial industry sectors (banking, brokerage, and insurance), clarify the often-confusing regulatory environment, and discuss practical advice for physicians considering career transitions. Dr. Yeh emphasizes viewing wealth through the lens of time—measuring how many years you could comfortably survive without additional income—and recommends specific financial runway requirements for various career pivot scenarios, from six months for job transitions to five years for building a new business.

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Drawing from John Jurica's journey and years of coaching experience, this solo episode unveils five powerful strategies that dramatically speed up physician career transitions, whether you're pursuing a hospital leadership role, launching a side business, or seeking any nonclinical position.

The foundation begins with crafting a written career plan complete with your personal mission, vision, and SMART goals—providing clarity and decision-making guidance when opportunities arise. John shares an example of what his career roadmap might have looked like during the transition to hospital CMO, demonstrating how specificity creates momentum.

Building on this foundation, John explores four complementary acceleration tools:

finding an accountability partner who keeps you honest about commitments,
developing strategic mentor relationships with those who've walked your desired path,
investing in professional career coaching for structured guidance, and
harnessing the exponential power of mastermind groups where collective wisdom propels everyone forward.

The episode concludes with thoughts on a potential hospital management mastermind program John is considering launching for physicians specifically targeting C-suite positions.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/astonishing-results/

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In this classic episode from 2020, I revisit my conversation with Dr. Jessie Benson, who transformed from a high-achieving anesthesiologist and critical care specialist to a multifaceted creator pursuing life coaching, art, music, and homesteading.

After nearly a decade in medicine, Dr. Benson realized she was caught in an endless cycle of chasing approval and achievement—from being first in her medical school class to earning "best fellow" honors at Cleveland Clinic. She shares her four-year journey to break free from perfectionism and fear of rejection, which began with exploring creative pursuits while still practicing and culminated in paying off $250,000 in medical school debt before giving six months' notice to her practice.

Dr. Benson discusses her post-medicine path, including becoming a professional artist with a unique beeswax technique, learning to play cello, embarking on an eight-month RV journey across America, and eventually settling in Floyd, Virginia to pursue homesteading. She also explains how her coaching practice evolved from project management to helping clients overcome "barrier beliefs," culminating in her "Brave is Beautiful Circle" program designed specifically for women physicians seeking authenticity and creativity.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/intensivist-to-coach/

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In our 400th episode, we're marking a milestone by diving into something deeply personal and highly practical—what it's like to build, grow, and sell a senior care business. I've had the unique experience of serving as an informal consultant, advisor, and broker to my wife, Kay, as she launched and ultimately sold her own successful in-home senior care franchise.

Whether you're a physician looking for a new income stream, a career pivot, or even a nonclinical business opportunity outside of medicine, this episode is packed with insights on how small business ownership can lead to significant financial growth, flexibility, and long-term wealth. I walk through real-world numbers, growth stages, challenges during the COVID-19 pandemic, and why a franchise model may be the ideal entry point for healthcare professionals venturing into entrepreneurship. You'll also hear about the pros and cons of buying vs. building, funding options, and how to evaluate return on investment when purchasing a business.

If you've ever thought about starting a business, investing in one, or just escaping a high-stress clinical role, this episode is a powerful look at what's possible—and profitable. I discuss how my wife's business grew to generate substantial income with minimal time commitment, the advantages of the franchise model, including training and support, and how you could apply these same principles to Direct Primary Care practices for potentially greater autonomy and higher income than traditional employment.

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In this classic episode from 2020, John interviews Laura Garnett, a performance strategist who transformed her own career crisis at Google into a framework for helping professionals discover what truly fulfills them. Laura shares her journey from dairy farm beginnings to corporate success and ultimately developing her "Zone of Genius" methodology after experiencing profound dissatisfaction despite achieving her career goals.

Laura distinguishes between fleeting passions and deeper purpose, explaining that professional satisfaction comes from identifying both your "genius" (intellectual challenge) and "purpose" (intrinsic motivation). She guides listeners through practical techniques for self-observation, documenting moments of peak engagement, and recognizing patterns in fulfilling work experiences that reveal their unique strengths.

For physicians feeling trapped or unfulfilled, Laura's approach offers a pathway to break free from conformity in medicine. Her books and performance trackers available on lauragarnett.com provide resources for self-guided discovery, reframing career development as a process of self-empowerment rather than following predetermined paths—a particularly valuable perspective for medical professionals accustomed to structured career progression.

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Physicians facing career roadblocks due to National Practitioner Data Bank (NPDB) reports often feel trapped—but there are solutions. In this episode, John explores real-world strategies for overcoming the challenges posed by damaging databank reports. From understanding which employers and institutions have access to these records to identifying career paths where they hold little to no weight, he breaks down key insights that can help physicians regain control of their professional futures.

John discusses alternative work opportunities that bypass NPDB scrutiny, such as locum tenens, small independent clinics, telemedicine, and specialized practices like addiction medicine and medical marijuana clinics. Additionally, he explores entrepreneurial options, including cash-only direct primary care (DPC), concierge medicine, and aesthetic practices, where physicians can sidestep traditional employer-based credentialing barriers.

This episode provides actionable steps for navigating the challenges of an NPDB report and exploring career options with greater flexibility. Learn how to strategically position yourself in today’s job market and continue practicing medicine on your own terms. Tune in now to discover practical, real-world solutions for overcoming employment roadblocks.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/damaging-national-practitioner-databank-reports/

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In today’s episode, John shares a lesson from the Nonclinical Career Academy focusing on popular home-based careers that physicians can pursue. Many doctors seek flexibility and greater control over their schedules, and home-based work offers a unique opportunity to achieve both while leveraging their medical expertise.

John discusses several options, including chart reviews, medical writing, telemedicine, consulting, and coaching. He explains how these careers provide convenience, potential cost savings, and the ability to balance family or caregiving responsibilities. He also highlights important considerations such as flexibility, part-time opportunities, and the potential challenges of isolation or burnout.

Whether you’re exploring nonclinical paths or simply looking for ways to work from home, this episode provides valuable insights into how physicians can create fulfilling careers outside of traditional clinical practice.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/popular-home-based-careers/

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John Jurica, MD explores physician advisor roles in Utilization Management (UM) and Clinical Documentation Integrity (CDI) as sought-after nonclinical career paths for physicians. In this episode, he breaks down how these hospital-based positions allow doctors to leverage their medical expertise without direct patient care while working in flexible capacities.

The episode details the daily responsibilities of physician advisors, who play crucial roles in hospital operations, case management, and reimbursement optimization. Jurica provides a practical roadmap for physicians to transition into these fields, including strategies for gaining relevant experience while still practicing clinically, recommended certifications, and networking approaches with key decision-makers.

Listeners will learn how physician advisor positions can serve as strategic stepping stones to higher-paying leadership roles like Chief Medical Officer (CMO). The episode covers both the practical aspects of breaking into these careers—even without prior experience—and the professional satisfaction of impacting healthcare quality and efficiency from a systems perspective. This comprehensive guide is ideal for physicians exploring nonclinical career options that offer competitive salaries, flexible schedules, and pathways to hospital leadership.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/nonclinical-hospital-jobs/

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Dr. Kaci Durbin is an obstetrician-gynecologist who transitioned from clinical practice to a fulfilling career in medical writing. After working as an OB hospitalist, she discovered medical writing as a nonclinical path that offered flexibility, intellectual challenge, and job security while still utilizing her medical expertise.

Dr. Durbin built her portfolio and professional network from scratch, starting with freelance CME and regulatory writing projects. She shares her journey from securing her first writing gigs to eventually landing a full-time position as a medical writer and technical writer for a Contract Research Organization (CRO), where she now focuses on clinical trial documentation.

During our interview, Dr. Durbin provides actionable advice for physicians interested in breaking into medical writing, including the pros and cons of freelancing versus full-time employment, key resources and courses for newcomers, and strategies for leveraging clinical experience. Her story offers a practical roadmap for doctors seeking remote, flexible work outside of direct patient care.

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On the podcast this week, John discusses the concept of Direct Primary Care (DPC). First appearing in the early 2000’s, this type of practice is characterized by the elimination of third party payers. In most cases, insurance billing is replaced by a subscription or “membership” model in which patients prepay for their care on a monthly or quarterly basis.

The typical DPC practice agrees to provide a comprehensive set of outpatient services that meet the needs of most patients. Hospitalizations and high-cost surgeries are generally covered by traditional insurance.

Under this model, the elimination of insurance billing results in lower overhead, less paperwork, fewer employees, and better access by expanding the use of texting, phone calls, email, and telemedicine. Office visits are generally longer and more comprehensive with less time spent on paperwork. While originally designed for primary care, there are examples of specialty-based DPC-style payment arrangements.

John describes why this can be the solution to burnout and a way to recover the joy of practicing medicine while earning a very good income. He also explains that creating a DPC practice requires extensive planning and significant financial resources, but less than opening a traditional practice. And he offers his thoughts on transitioning from employment to your own DPC practice.

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John Jurica has been producing the Physician Nonclinical Careers Podcast for more than 7 years. Over those years, he has produced several free and paid resources designed to help physicians more quickly identify and pursue those nonclinical and unconventional clinical careers. But not all of the podcast listeners have heard about those resources.

In this week’s podcast episode, John describes the most popular written and audiovisual content that he has created himself, or that he promotes for other physician career experts. He starts by describing the Nonclinical Career Academy:

Thirty courses on popular nonclinical career topics, plus over 50 short Q&A sessions
Option to purchase for a one-time fee or monthly membership.

He then presents two free resources:

the Five Career Guide provides details covering 4 hospital-based management jobs plus medical writing, and
the 70 Nonclinical Careers checklist lists the most popular nonclinical and unconventional clinical careers.

He then lists 6 more paid courses that provide training in specific fields or strategies:

Build a Rewarding, Lucrative Career as a Medical Science Liaison,
the 2024 Nonclinical Career Summit with 12 lectures by 12 experts,
the Expert Witness Startup School presented by Dr. Gretchen Green,
LinkedIn for Physicians and the Carpé Diem Resumé Kit by Dr. Heather Fork, and
the Medical Affairs Associates Program presented by Dr. Paul Hercock.

He closes by describing how to access the recordings of his weekly Q&A sessions.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/valuable-resources/

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Today’s episode is Part 2 of my interview with Dr. Robert Cooper, an endocrinologist who has successfully integrated nonclinical work into his career. In Episode 391, we discussed how Robert transitioned into part-time consulting, including expert witness work and other forms of knowledge consulting.

In this episode, we continue the conversation by diving deeper into disability file reviews, medical necessity reviews, and peer-to-peer consulting. Robert explains how physicians from all specialties—especially primary care—can tap into these opportunities, optimize their earnings, and navigate the industry to avoid low-paying or unethical companies.

We also explore the challenges and benefits of balancing clinical and nonclinical work, the growing role of locum tenens for career flexibility, and how to transition smoothly into these roles. Robert shares practical strategies for physicians looking to supplement or replace their clinical income while maintaining autonomy and work-life balance.

You'll find links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/exploit-your-medical-knowledge/

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Robert J. Cooper, MD, is an attending physician in the Department of Endocrinology at Holyoke Medical Center in Holyoke, Massachusetts. He received his medical degree from Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, New York, and completed residency training in internal medicine at Long Island Jewish Hospital, New Hyde Park, New York. He completed fellowship training in endocrinology at Long Island Jewish Hospital and Winthrop–University Hospital, Mineola, New York.

He lectured this past year at SEAK on combating physician burnout with nonclinical diversification, including knowledge consulting. He provides keynote lectures and/or provide workshops to physician groups interested in combining nonclinical and clinical activities. During these lectures, he provides a roadmap for entrance to nonclinical work while maintaining a flexible clinical presence.

In this week’s interview, Robert explains how and why he started adding nonclinical part-time work to his career, as he cut back on his clinical time. John and Robert discuss several types of knowledge consulting, including expert witness consulting. And Robert provides advice for those physicians who want to pursue these opportunities, including how to optimize earnings, and how to please the organizations looking for your assistance.

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Dr. Sanj Katyal's journey began with a solid foundation in science and medicine. He earned a Bachelor of Science in Chemical and Biomedical Engineering from Carnegie Mellon University and a Doctor of Medicine (MD) from New York University School of Medicine. While his early career in radiology and clinical operations brought professional success, it also exposed him to the limitations of traditional Western medicine in addressing the deeper causes of human discontent.

The turning point came when Dr. Katyal discovered Rapid Transformational Therapy (RTT) and became a certified hypnotherapist and RTT therapist in 2024. His transformation through RTT, including overcoming a deep-seated fear, reinforced his belief in the power of addressing subconscious limiting beliefs.

During today’s interview, Dr. Katyal describes the limitations of positive psychology and the benefits of rapid transformational therapy. He then goes on to describe the explosion in mental illness in children and young adults since 2010.

He warns parents to be vigilant and proactive concerning the effects of social media on their children. He offers advice on how to protect children from addiction to social media. And he directs them to his website at sanjkatyal.com where they can access additional information.

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Dr. Megan Leivant received her medical degree from the Indiana University School of Medicine and training in internal medicine residency at McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University. After practicing internal medicine for ten years, she transitioned to a medical director position for a life insurance company. She now works as VP and Medical Director with another firm.

During today’s interview, Megan shares what led her to change careers, how she landed her first life insurance job, and advice for others wanting to pursue this career. She lists resources for those wishing to learn more before pursuing a career in life insurance medicine and explains that board certification in the field is available.

She also discusses the duties and lifestyle of a life insurance medical director, opportunities for advancement, and the differences between direct and reinsurance companies. Finally, she explains that the intellectual stimulation, ongoing learning, and application of medical knowledge keep her excited about working in this industry.

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Dr. Michelle Bailey is an Executive Medical Director working in the Pharma Industry since 2016 after having practiced academic pediatrics for 18 years. She has been a Physician Career and Life Coach since 2012.

She was a guest on the PNC Podcast 5 years ago when she described her career as a biopharma medical director. In today’s interview, she focuses on helping us understand what keeps us from pursuing a satisfying career.

She describes the importance of taking a pause before making any major life-changing decisions. And she shares other revelations she has had while coaching physicians during and after the COVID pandemic

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Dr. Helen Rhodes is an obstetrician/gynecologist who was first interviewed in 2019. She became dissatisfied with her practice, so she completely redesigned her clinical career, and added a nonclinical component.

Helen received her medical degree from the Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center and completed the Obstetrics and Gynecology Residency Program at the University of Texas Health Science Center in Houston. For her first job, she landed a position in a traditional academic setting. She later tried private practice.

Finally, she left traditional practice and began exploring several alternative practice options, while also developing a part-time job as medical director for a plasmapheresis company. During our interview, she describes how she found each position, and how she created her novel career by combining several different clinical and nonclinical pursuits.

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In this week’s podcast episode, John presents his interview with Dr. Jordan Grumet. Jordan is the producer of the popular Earn & Invest Podcast, but he is also a hospice medical director and author of the traditionally published book Taking Stock: A Hospice Doctor’s Advice on Financial Independence, Building Wealth, and Living a Regret-Free Life.

Jordan earned his medical degree from Northwestern University and completed his internal medicine residency at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri. He loves writing and especially enjoys the challenge of working with traditional publishing companies. He has written a new book called The Purpose Code: How to unlock meaning, maximize happiness, and leave a lasting legacy. The book is being released on January 7, 2025, the day this podcast interview is forst posted.

During our conversation, he describes why many of us misunderstand the concept of one’s purpose, by distinguishing “big P” and “little P” versions of the word. He explains the meaning of “purpose anxiety,” why so many of us experience it, and how to overcome it. Finally, Jordan tells us where to find his book, podcast, and website, and the best ways to contact him.

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In this week’s episode, Dr. Nicole Rochester returns to the podcast. It’s been 5 years since she described how she was inspired to create her health navigation consulting business. Since then she has expanded her business and is now working with healthcare organizations to provide her services. She is also teaching other physicians to create their own consulting businesses.

Dr. Nicole Rochester obtained her undergraduate degree from Johns Hopkins University and her medical degree from the University of Maryland School of Medicine. She is a Clinical Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at the George Washington University School of Medicine.

During today’s interview, Nicole describes why she began working as a coach and consultant for patients with complex medical problems who needed help making decisions and navigating their healthcare journey. She also explains how she began providing these services on behalf of large health systems and hospitals, which is a much more sustainable model. She also shares her ideas for other healthcare coaching and consulting businesses to use a similar strategy.

Finally, she invites physicians to contact her about learning to be a healthcare navigator by joining her group training program. All of her resources can be found at yourgpsdoc.com.

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In this week’s podcast episode, John addresses this question: Even if I’m burned out and frustrated, are there ways to stay in clinical medicine while achieving balance, satisfaction, and enjoyment? During this presentation, he discusses the following 5 options for remaining in clinical practice.

Take another stab at addressing the circumstances leading to dissatisfaction by aggressively renegotiating your employment contract. Review your contract and identify the major issues causing your frustration. Develop a strategy for renegotiating those issues with your attorney. These typically involve vacation time and covering for others’ vacations, work hours, salary, restrictive covenants, and inadequate pay for collaborating with midlevel providers.

If you’re looking for a new job, consider engaging an agent to represent you in contract negotiations with a new employer, often at no cost to you.

Start a new practice or join one that does not bill insurance companies. Direct Primary Care and Concierge practices, and narrow-focused practices often enable the physicians to work on cash-only, fee-for-service, or membership models, and to create a better lifestyle and income.

Almost any of us could start or transition to a narrow focused practice. John’s colleague was a full-time general pediatrician who transitioned to caring solely for patients with attention deficit disorder. He uses standard protocols for evaluation and management, and is an expert at billing for these services. He reduced his staff and overhead and his satisfaction and income have improved.

Finally, for those who want to achieve many of the above advantages, and others, without starting a practice, working as a micro-corporation may be a great choice. Incorporating and working as an independent contractor for a large group or hospital system provides more tax benefits, flexible investment opportunities, and off-loading the expenses for rent and staffing.

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Dr. Zhen Chan knew early on that he wanted to be a physician and to develop new technologies and businesses to improve patient care and physician satisfaction and fulfillment. So it made sense that he would pause his medical education and obtain a traditional MBA degree.

With those degrees under his belt, he attended a pediatric residency. He went one step further and worked for a venture capital firm during his first year of pediatric practice. Now he is the CEO of a start-up company and a part-time practicing pediatrician. The company he leads, Grapevyne, facilitates job searches for physicians while reducing the costs of recruitment to hospitals and medical groups.

During our conversation today, Zhen describes what motivated him to attempt to balance 2 major careers so early in his career. Then we learn about his vision for Grapevyne, and what has been accomplished so far.

He also provides details on the Grapevyne incentive program that encourages physicians to share job openings with each other by offering modest finders fees. And he shares his vision for growing the company while offering other valuable free and low-cost services to physicians, including referrals for nonclinical jobs.

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Today John presents his interview with a medical entrepreneur who started a business to improve patient access. A business that thrived during the Covid Pandemic while other businesses were struggling.

TJ Oshun emigrated from Nigeria 20 years ago. He became a physician assistant and enrolled in medical school. This was about 5 years before the Covid Pandemic hit. He was inspired to start his business when he saw how much difficulty patients faced because hospital emergency rooms were the only option for care at night and on weekends in his community.

During our conversation, TJ described how he established CallonDoc, a company that started by connecting patients with medical providers by telephone. He quickly expanded to telehealth and telemedicine, hiring software engineers to build his own platform for delivering the care.

He was well positioned when the pandemic occurred to provide the care needed during lockdowns. He explains how CallonDoc has flourished since then, providing care across the U.S., and how it has expanded into other service lines

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Today John is shifting his focus to the topic of physician leadership. In the past few years, he has presented interviews with physicians in many unconventional careers with the occasional episode devoted to hospital leadership.

During the next few months, he will focus a bit more on opportunities that involve leadership roles in the hospital setting, because that is where most of the intense and expensive care is provided, and where he believes more physician leadership is needed.

To start this series, he recommends considering your motives for pursuing this nonclinical career and provides tips for getting started. Then he spends several minutes describing how physician executives must shift their focus from being decisive tactical “doers” to becoming strategic delegating planners with a focus on organizational accountability.

Finally, John describes the importance of personal accountability, optimism, and humility as key attributes for the developing physician leader.

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In this week's Classic Podcast Episode from 2020, Dr. Jennifer Spector describes how to become a medical editor. Unlike other medical editors who spent years as a paid medical writer, Jennifer parlayed her involvement in a professional society and unpaid writing to land her new editor position.

Jennifer is a Board-Certified Podiatric Physician and Surgeon with 14 years of clinical experience. She received her DPM degree from the Temple University School of Podiatric Medicine. Then she completed a three-year residency in podiatric medicine at Christian Care Health System.

She spent over 5 years in national leadership positions at the American Association for Women Podiatrists (AAWP). While at the AAWP she was responsible for writing and editing the newsletter and other documents. That experience enabled her to land her position as Associate Editor for Podiatry Today.

After working in that position for about 20 months, Jennifer was promoted to Senior Editor followed by Managing Editor at Podiatry Today. In July of 2022, she became one of the Assistant Editorial Directors at HMP Global, the parent company of Podiatry Today and a market leader in international healthcare education and clinician engagement.

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Dr. Neetu Sharma is a board-certified internist and nephrologist and Functional Medicine expert. She completed her internal medicine residency at Wayne State University Detroit Medical Center and her nephrology fellowship at the University of Cincinnati.

Dr. Sharma worked in a very busy private nephrology practice and became disillusioned with the heavy workload and not getting to the root causes of her patient's medical problems. She considered her options, obtained additional training in Functional Medicine, and decided to completely overhaul her career.

She decided to find a stable nonclinical career alternative, while also building a part-time virtual practice that incorporates her traditional medical training with functional medicine. She now works as a medical director for a large health plan full time, applying her medical experience and knowledge every day. She is building a new practice called Zeal Vitality offering personalized proactive wellness plans, advanced diagnostics with biomarker analysis, and holistic strategies to promote weight loss, metabolic and kidney health, and overall vitality.

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Dr. Christian Zouain completed medical school in the Dominican Republic in 2010. He moved to the U.S. and, while applying for U.S. residencies, he leveraged his medical background by working as a medical assistant and scribe, and then as a Medical Case Manager and Utilization Review Specialist at hospital in New York City. There he discovered the field of Clinical Documentation Improvement (CDI).

He switched gears and obtained training in CDI and ICD-10 Coding. He used LinkedIn to network and discovered a hospital nearby looking to hire physician CDI specialists for their CDI program.

He was hired in 2015 and has worked in the field ever since. He has worked as a CDI (now Clinical Documentation Integrity) Specialist, Medical Reviewer, and Auditor, on-site and remotely, as an employee and as a self-employed freelancer. During this classic interview, Christian describes his journey, the attraction of working in the industry, and the resources to help physicians land their first CDI position.

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Dr. Heather Fork is an ICF master certified coach helping physicians find their best career path forward, whether in medicine, a nonclinical career, or something else. Heather is passionate about making it easier for physicians to navigate their careers.

She hosts the weekly Doctor’s Crossing Carpe Diem Podcast. And she has created several helpful free resources and paid courses, which can be found at doctorscrossing.com. Besides her coaching, two of her most popular resources are the Carpe Diem Resumé Kit and her course LinkedIn for Physicians (both are affiliate links so I may receive a payment if you purchase the course using my link - John).

In today’s interview, Heather helps us understand the root causes of procrastination. She then shares a model about procrastination and several tactics for overcoming it. Finally, she closes by describing how to use Artificial Intelligence to help eliminate this roadblock to your progress.

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Greg Gilbaugh, DDS, completed his dental education, including an advanced dental residency, at the University of Iowa. Dr. Gilbaugh then established the Family Dental Center, near Cedar Rapids, which he has run for over 30 years.

During his long career he was forced to rebuild his practice from the ground up not once, but twice due to “once in a lifetime” natural disasters. Then, when the dust finally settled, he was diagnosed with a physical disability that meant he could no longer practice dentistry and was forced to put his full focus on running the business side of his practice.

This led to him establishing the Kalos Business Group through which he speaks and consults on leadership and business development, helping others in their journey to connect that which is most important with the area in which they spend the most time (their business). He is also the author of Letting Good Things Run Wild.

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Today’s episode is Part 2 of my interview with Dr. Tod Stillson. Tod is a family physician who discovered that he could improve his autonomy and increase his income by incorporating and switching from employee to micro-corporation owner. In Episode 374 we learned that 10 years ago he discovered he could practice under a professional services agreement with the hospital system, so he incorporated and began working as a mini-corporation.

We pick up the interview with Tod, who explains how he shifted from employment to working using a professional services agreement. Then, he discusses a variety of benefits that you can access under this new model.

We also discuss the free and paid resources available to help physicians including his book, Doctor Incorporated: Stop the Insanity of Traditional Employment and Preserve Your Professional Autonomy, a blog, a membership program, free e-books, and consultation services.

Before closing, we discuss other options for physicians seeking more fulfillment and control, including direct primary care and other cash-only practices, and compare them to the microcorporation employment-lite approach to contracting with an employer.

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Dr. Tod Stillson earned his medical degree at the Indiana University School of Medicine. He then completed a Family Medicine Residency and a one-year fellowship focusing on Obstetrics at the Roanoke Memorial Hospital in Roanoke, Virginia.

He has practiced Family Medicine in North Central Indiana for almost 30 years, initially as an employee of the local hospital. About 10 years ago he discovered he could practice under a professional services agreement with the hospital system, so he incorporated and began working as a mini-corporation. That opened up many opportunities for him resulting in more autonomy and a higher income.

He has now created several resources to help educate other physicians about incorporating and contracting with employers in this new way. These include a book called Doctor Incorporated: Stop the Insanity of Traditional Employment and Preserve Your Professional Autonomy, a blog, a membership program, free e-books, and consultation services.

This week’s podcast is Part 1 of the 2-Part interview, which concludes with Episode 375 of the Physician Nonclinical Careers Podcast in one week.

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This is Part 2 of our interview with Dr. Debra Blaine. Dr. Debra Blaine is a retired family physician who has always wanted to be a novelist. So she began writing and published her first book a few years ago using a hybrid publisher. Following that experience, she decided to learn how to self-publish.

She has now written seven books, publishing most of them herself. She now helps other authors write and self-publish their books. Her most recent book is a self-published book about self-publishing.

In today’s episode, we close the interview as Debra explains how she helps her clients develop and write their novels and nonfiction books.

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Dr. Debra Blaine is a retired family physician who has always wanted to be a novelist. So she began writing and published her first book a few years ago using a hybrid publisher. However, she was frustrated by the costs and long publication process required using a hybrid.

She continued writing books and taught herself how to self-publish both fiction and nonfiction books. She has now written seven books and helps other authors write and self-publish their books. Her most recent book is a self-published book about self-publishing.

Today she returns to the podcast to share what she has learned with you. And to try to convince you to write and self-publish your book as a way to promote your clinical or nonclinical business.

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Today I want to provide an update on the part-time work providing remote collaboration and supervision. This is also known as working as a remote medical director. One of the attractive parts of this job is that you are paid for being AVAILABLE for collaboration. So, you can generate income while doing other things to some extent.

It’s something that I have been doing for the past 2 ½ years. I've been the medical director for a new urgent care network since 2014. Four years ago I began cutting back on my clinic hours and completely withdrew 2 years ago from direct patient care. However I still serves as remote medical director, collaborating as needed with APNs and PAs, updating policies, reviewing charts, and performing other medical director duties.

In today’s presentation, I focus on providing these services through third-party companies that find opportunities for collaborating physicians, connecting them with healthcare organizations that need help. This presentation is the recording of a Q&A Session held in January of this year. You can learn about these free sessions by signing up for my emails at nonclinicalphysicians.com/dailyemail.

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Emma Nichols, PhD, first appeared on the PNC podcast to discuss one of the most popular freelance nonclinical jobs available to physicians and other clinicians: medical writing. In today’s replay from 2018, we’re provided a comprehensive overview of freelance medical writing.

Emma has a doctorate in molecular biology and started writing professionally early in her career. She quickly became a seasoned medical communications professional specializing in continuing medical education and medical news writing. Her company, Nascent Medical, now provides expert medical writing services through its team of experienced MD- and PhD-level writers.

In addition to being a seasoned medical writer, she has been teaching others how to set up and market their own medical writing businesses through her Six-Week Course on Freelance Medical Writing. In fact, several of my podcast guests have completed her course prior to starting their own medical writing careers.

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This week, John focuses on one of the 3 popular nonclinical careers he discussed in last week’s episode, that of hospital Chief Medical Officer (CMO).

He uses the 100 Top Hospitals Award as a model for physicians to identify the expertise they should develop to fulfill the role of CMO. He describes the components of the Top 100 Hospital Award:

Mortality Rate
Complication Rate
Healthcare Associated Infection Rate
30-Day Mortality Rate
30-Day Readmission Rate
Length of Stay
Spending Per Beneficiary
Expense Per Discharge
HCAHPS (Patient Satisfaction) Scores
Adjusted Operating Profit Margin

Looking at this list, in most hospitals the CMO is the professional with the training and experience most able to address the first 6 items. Knowing that, it behooves physicians planning to seek a CMO role to develop experience in hospital quality improvement and patient safety, utilization management, coding and documentation, infection prevention, and information management.

During this short tutorial, John describes how physicians can efficiently develop those skills through part-time volunteer and paid roles in their hospitals using this model to direct them.

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This week, John describes why it is natural to want to “level up” your career once you have accomplished all you want to do as a clinician, using professional athletes and attorneys as examples. Leveling up is a process of taking your career to the next level by building on your education, training, and experience to a new level of satisfaction and income.

He does this by selecting and describing the 3 most popular full-time nonclinical careers. Each year thousands of physicians are recruited for these positions. They generally offer excellent benefits, competitive salaries, and room for advancement.

John describes their pros and cons and lists resources to use to find and land your first job. For those who don’t want to spend 6 to 12 months researching all possible options, focusing on these jobs in the hospital, biopharma, and health insurance industries will help accelerate your transition.

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Dr. Armin Feldman is a psychiatrist who learned to work with attorneys as an expert witness early in his career. After selling a nationwide network of head injury rehabilitation centers, he focused on helping attorneys with pre-trial consultations to help with their cases to obtain better settlements, and more appropriate medical care for their clients.

About 16 years ago he began teaching other physicians how to duplicate his pre-litigation, pretrial medical legal consulting business. Through his coaching and support, he instructs physicians on the medicine involved, and the marketing, operational, legal, and financial aspects necessary to create a viable consulting business.

In this classic replay from 2021, he explains what he does, how it is different from expert witness consulting, and why it has become so popular. He also explains how his medical legal consulting coaching works and how to reach him to learn more about it.

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Dr. Sue Zimmerman is an orthopedic surgeon who appeared on the podcast to discuss how she planned for her transition out of traditional medicine after 24 years. She had the foresight to engage a career coach before she needed to shift gears.

When the time came, she applied a strategy that worked brilliantly for her: find several part-time jobs that aligned with her vision and skills. In her case, that meant knitting together writing, editing, teaching, and providing nonsurgical orthopedic services. The result was a balanced, interesting, fulfilling, and productive lifestyle.

In today’s replay from 2018, Sue explains how she pulled this off, offering advice, encouragement, and specific tactics for listeners to apply.

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Dr. Judy Finney is an interventional cardiologist who appeared on the podcast to discuss the amazing field of Life Insurance Medicine in 2018. During this interview, Judy described why she decided to leave clinical medicine, how she quickly landed a job at a life insurance company, and why she loves what she is doing.

She also lists several resources and tips to help you find and pursue your first medical director position.

At the time of our interview, she was serving as an Associate Medical Director. Since then, she moved on to a Medical Director position for 2 years before accepting a position as Vice President for a major mutual insurance company earlier this year.

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Dr. Michelle Mudge-Riley is a physician career coach, consultant, entrepreneur, and leader. She’s also an expert in Global Strategy Development, Clinical Research, and Project Management in the Biopharma Industry.

She is also schooled in physician career transition, partly because her career has continued to evolve extensively over the past 20 years since completing her clinical education. She has been a guest on the PNC podcast several times, last appearing in 2021.

She worked part-time in the biopharma industry for several years, then she decided almost 5 years ago to pursue a full-time position in the industry. She now serves as Medical Director in the Medical Affairs Division of an international biopharmaceutical company focused on finding treatments for rare diseases.

During our discussion, Michelle explained why she loves working in the BioPharma Industry. Then she shares tips for finding your first Industry job, and mistakes to avoid while engaged in your search.

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Dr. Lara Hochman previously appeared on the show in 2022. She is returning to the show now to update us on her business as the Medical Matchmaker between physicians and medical practices, and to share her advice about finding a new practice.

Since her previous visit, she continues to practice medicine, while helping make these connections. During her matchmaking process, she vets the physicians and the practices she is referring them to. As a result, she has learned much about what to look for on both sides of the process.

She recently created The Stress-Free Physician Career Guide, a 5-step FREE resource for physicians. It is designed to help doctors find a physician-friendly private practice where they can focus on patient care without burnout or moral injury.

During our discussion, Lara provided us with her encouragement and advice for physicians who want to find the perfect practice, whether they wish to remain an employee or become a practice partner.

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Today I present Part 2 of the classic interview from 2019. In this show, Dr. Andrew Wilner, author of The Locum Life, describes why he loves medical writing and locum tenens as career options.

In Part 1 last week, we learned how he became a neurologist and epileptologist who spent years as a full-time medical writer. Now he is Associate Professor of Neurology at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center where he provides direct patient care and teaches neurology residents on the inpatient and outpatient services.

He also hosts a podcast called The Art of Medicine. And he has written a book called The Locum Life: A Physicians Guide to Locum Tenens, the definitive resource on this topic.

In Part 2 we’ll get much more into locum tenens work, and how he took what he learned to write The Locum Life. With that as an introduction, we will pick up where we left off with Andrew getting back into clinical medicine after a ten-year hiatus.

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Today I present another classic interview, this time from 2019. In this show, Dr. Andrew Wilner, author of The Locum Life, describes why he loves medical writing and locum tenens as career options.

In Part 1, Andrew recalls how much he loved writing, and how he felt compelled to get back into writing after completing his initial medical training. Andrew describes his journey from internal medicine in the U.S., to neurology training in Canada, and from clinical medicine to full-time medical writer. We also hear about his very early locums position working in an emergency room.

During our conversation, he described the exact approach that enabled him to write for multiple medical publications, while remaining current in his specialty of Neurology. In Part 2 we’ll get much more into locum tenens work, and how he took what he learned to create his recently released book.

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Dr. Phil Boucher completed medical school and pediatric residency at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. He has been in private practice since 2014. He was first featured on the PNC Podcast in December of 2020. He is known for integrating cutting-edge technologies in medical offices, whether to communicate better with patients, improve productivity, or market the practice.

In today’s interview, Dr Phil Boucher returns to the podcast to address two updates. First, he describes how he decided to open his own Direct Primary Care Practice in 2022. He explains that it takes more planning and managing than working as an employee in a large group. But there are many benefits, which he describes during our conversation.

We spend the remaining time discussing his new side business. It grew out of a desire to address 2 problems facing many small medical practices:

filling schedule openings due to cancellations without using up staff to call patients on a waiting list (OpenSpot at findopenspot.com), and
helping new practices generate more leads during the early years by automating new patient engagement (Practice Leads at getpracticeleads.com).

Phil describes the process he went through to develop both tools. And he explains how he was able to generate seed money by joining Founder University and applying to other start-up accelerators.

To get a glimpse of how Phil’s practice works, check out his practice website at FrontierPediatric.Care.

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Today I present another classic interview from 2020. In this show, Dr. Emily Woolcock describes why she loves being an Independent Medical Examiner.

Dr. Woolcock is an internationally recognized speaker, best-selling author, mentor, and consultant. She is board-certified by the American Board of Orthopedic Surgery and the American Board of Independent Medical Examiners. And she is among the country’s most well-known and respected orthopedic surgeons.

In 2016 she established the IME Academy where she teaches students to perform defensible, literature-based independent medical examinations (or IMEs). Emily is passionate about helping other physicians break free from the devastating work/life balance issues she experienced early in her career.

In today’s interview, you will hear why this career option is so attractive to many physicians. As an IME, you can apply your medical knowledge and experience. The income is very good. However, the stress level is low and the risk of finding yourself in a medical liability lawsuit is negligible.

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One of the first interviews devoted to the pharma industry featured Dr. Laura McKain in September 2021. Dr. McKain received her medical degree from Georgetown University in Washington, DC, and completed her training in obstetrics and gynecology at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia.

She was in private practice for over twelve years where her clinical interests included wellwomen care, contraception, HPV, menopause management, as well as general and high-risk obstetrics. In 2008 she transitioned her career to the pharmaceutical industry where she was involved in clinical development projects encompassing a broad range of therapeutic areas. She was involved in bringing two new therapeutics to market.

She recently retired from full-time work and is now focused on helping other physicians find new nonclinical careers. She is a career coach and resumé expert at mckainconsulting.com. Laura is the founder of the Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook Group. With almost 30,000 members, it is the premier group where physicians connect with other physicians, share advice, find job openings, and obtain valuable advice and mentorship about nonclinical careers.

In today’s interview, Laura and I will be talking about strategies for finding a pharma job in the area of Clinical Development.

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John Jurica completed his medical degree at the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, and his Family Medicine Residency at the University of Illinois at Rockford. While in practice he completed a Master’s Degree in Public Health at the Medical College of Wisconsin.

He began doing side jobs while in practice as a hospital utilization management physician advisor and a medical director for a family planning clinic and an occupational medicine clinic. He worked as the VP for Medical Affairs and then full-time as the Chief Medical Officer for a 300-bed independent nonprofit hospital outside of Chicago Illinois, leaving clinical medicine completely for 4 years. He now works part-time as a co-owner and Medical Director for an urgent care network.

In 2017, he began producing a weekly podcast called Physician Nonclinical Careers with John Jurica, where he presents interviews and solo episodes addressing physician burnout and moral injury, unconventional jobs and careers for physicians, and related topics. He also runs mastermind groups, annual live online summits, and an online platform the Nonclinical Career Academy and MemberClub.

In today’s show, John describes in detail what the Academy is, how it has evolved over the years, and what it can do for clinicians who want to leverage their training and experience in nontraditional ways. He explains how the MemberClub component of the NCA provides the most value for those who wish to learn as much as possible about career transition in a convenient, safe, and affordable environment.

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Dr. Mark Olszyk completed his medical degree at the Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons in New York City, and a residency in Emergency Medicine at the Naval Medical Center in San Diego. He completed his MBA in 2006. He is a Certified Physician Executive through the Certifying Commission in Medical Management.

He practiced emergency medicine before taking on management and leadership positions in a variety of settings. For the past 11 years, he has served as the Chief Medical Officer for Carroll Hospital in Westminster, Maryland.

In 2023, working with the American Association for Physician Leadership’s publishing arm, Mark brought together a team of experts to write and edit The Chief Medical Officers’ Essential Guidebook. As Dr. Peter Angood, AAPL CEO, writes in the forward to the book, ”The book was written for those interested in pursuing, refining, or hiring the role of chief medical officer…The authors provide a timely and well-constructed treatise on the many aspects of being, or becoming, a successful CMO…In short, there is no other resource in the market on this topic that can rival the thoroughness and completeness of the book.”

In today’s interview, Mark shares the story of his leadership journey and the challenges of editing the Guidebook. He also shares advice for fledgling physician leaders based on the book and his personal experiences leading healthcare organizations.

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Dr. Tom Davis is a business owner, consultant, author, and expert in telemedicine practice. He is a board-certified family physician who grew his practice over 16 years into a regional health system. Then he and his partners merged with a competitor in 2012 and cashed out.

After the merger, he worked as an employee for the new entity but then discovered that he and corporate medicine were not a good fit. So, he quit to become a freelance consultant and author.

He developed expertise in running a telemedicine practice, and systems to optimize it. He now teaches and consults on telemedicine. He also developed a thriving consulting business helping health systems, physician groups, and venture capital firms develop new programs to support value-based care initiatives.

Today’s show presents a lecture Tom gave during the 2023 Nonclinical Career Summit. In this presentation, Tom shares his understanding of the consulting business and the methods he used to succeed, with specific tactics to attract and serve venture capital firms.

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Dr. Jennie Byrne completed her MD and PhD in Neurophysiology at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine. She completed her psychiatry residency at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. She has worked in many roles during her long career and continues to practice psychiatry part-time. She has held advisory and executive leadership roles as well.

Dr. Byrne is the founder and CEO of Constellation PLLC and the Co-Founder and Advisor at Belong Health. She has been called a “Triple Threat” because of her work as a physician leader, a healthcare executive, and an entrepreneur. She is a brain and behavior specialist with extensive training and experience in psychiatry, psychotherapy, and neuroscience.

Her book Moral Injury: Healing the Healers illuminates the often-overlooked concept of moral injury, offering a fresh perspective on the challenges facing healthcare professionals today. Dr. Byrne asserts that the issue lies not in individuals' resilience but in the systemic factors perpetuating moral injury within healthcare systems. Drawing parallels between healthcare and other workplaces, the book highlights the damaging consequences of outdated models and language.

During our interview, Dr. Byrne describes the hallmark features of moral injury and provides examples of colleagues, clients, and patients who have experienced it. She offers a metaphor for understanding moral injury. She closes our interview with examples of ways to help others overcome moral injury at both a personal level and as leaders in a large organization.

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Dr. Sylvie Stacy received her medical degree from the University of Massachusetts Medical School. She then completed her Master’s Degree in Public Health and her Public Health and General Preventive Medicine Residency at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

She is a dually board-certified addictionologist and preventive medicine specialist with nearly a decade of experience in correctional healthcare. She has held nonclinical jobs in medical writing, medical education, utilization management, and clinical documentation improvement. She also hosted a popular website and blog dedicated to nonclinical and nontraditional careers for physicians that she has since sold. She wrote and published her first book, 50 Nonclinical Careers for Physicians: Fulfilling, Meaningful, and Lucrative Alternatives to Direct Patient Care, in 2020.

Earlier this year she released her follow-up book, 50 Unconventional Clinical Careers for Physicians: Unique Ways to Use Your Medical Degree Without Leaving Patient Care. In today’s interview, we will catch up with her since her appearance on the podcast in June of 2018, and learn about her new book.

During our interview, Sylvie explains why she wrote her new book and describes several of the unconventional clinical careers she wrote about. Finally, she provides advice for thriving in an unconventional clinical career.

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Dr. Maria Abunto is the Senior Manager of Medical Science Liaisons at Exact Sciences, a molecular diagnostics company specializing in the detection of early-stage cancers. Before that, she was a Global Medical Science Liaison for Stryker.

She previously worked as an epidemiologist and investigator for the NIH and as a medical scientific expert on the IRB at a large children’s hospital. She holds a master’s degree in public health from the University of Pittsburg and completed her medical degree at the University of the East in Manila, Philippines.

Maria has been an active member of the Medical Science Liaison Society, and mentors other physicians interested in pursuing jobs as an MSL. She frequently lectures on the topic. Because of her expertise, she was asked to present at the 2023 Nonclinical Career Summit on this topic. Today’s podcast episode is an excerpt from that lecture. In it, she describes the duties of an MSL, the pros and cons of the job, the salary to be expected, and tips for pursuing your first position as an MSL.

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Dr. Sharon Hull is a family physician who has navigated several major career transitions. She started in private practice, moved into medical education, and has taken on multiple leadership positions.

Along the way, she completed a master’s degree in public health and other certifications. She worked in several leadership positions for 12 years at the Southern Illinois University College of Medicine. Then she moved to Northeastern Ohio Medical University in various academic roles. She later moved to Duke University School of Medicine, first as Chief of Family Medicine, completing her tenure there as Founding Director of the Executive Coaching Program. She started her coaching and consulting business in 2011, focusing on executive coaching, and is a Professional Certified Coach (PCC) through the International Coaching Federation.

In today’s episode, Sharon explains the importance of being intentional about developing your “career by design,” how to begin the process by defining what matters to you, and other concepts described in her new book Professional Careers by Design: A Handbook for the Bespoke Life.

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Dr. Nneka Unachukwu has been a guest on the Physician Nonclinical Career Podcast several times, with the last visit in 2022. She is a pediatrician who built a large practice using business and marketing practices that she now teaches to other physicians.

She received her medical degree from the University of Nigeria College of Medicine and completed her pediatrics residency at Newark Beth Israel Medical Center.

Dr. Una founded EntreMD several years ago and is on a mission to help 100,000 physicians build profitable 7 and 7+ figure businesses so they have the freedom to live life and practice medicine on their terms. She accomplishes that mission by coaching, speaking, writing, and helping physicians worldwide build businesses, develop multiple income streams, love their careers, and leave a legacy.

She hosts the weekly EntreMD Podcast. She produces The Visibility Formula Workshop for Physician Entrepreneur and the EntreMD Business School. In this week’s interview, we discuss her new book. And she shares her tips for becoming known using her visibility formula.

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Dr. Nerissa Kreher is a pediatric endocrinologist and the Chief Medical Officer at a biotech company. She received her medical degree from East Carolina University. She then pursued her pediatric residency and pediatric endocrinology fellowship at Indiana University School of Medicine.

She transitioned into the biopharma industry early in her career and brings 18 years of experience working in biopharma. She has worked in small to large biotech/pharma organizations including both private and public companies. Along the way, she also completed an MBA from Northeastern University.

She presented at the 2023 Nonclinical Career Summit on the topic of finding and pursuing your first job in the biopharmaceutical industry. Today’s podcast episode is the first half of her presentation. In it, she described the positions that are best suited for practicing physicians to pursue, once they decide to move into a nonclinical pharma job.

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In this episode, John provides an overview of the upcoming Nonclinical Career Summit, being held on April 16, 17 and 18, 2024. This is a live event, offering 4 lectures with a Q&A over 50-minute sessions each evening.

This year’s content starts with a focus on discovering whether it is possible to remain in clinical medicine when faced with dissatisfaction or outright burnout while in practice. Several lectures are dedicated to ways to provide medical care that is fulfilling and meaningful while maintaining control and balance in the clinician’s life.

Several specific examples of cash-only practices and health-related businesses, such as a weight loss clinic, MedSpa, and Infusion Lounge are presented. And there is a focus on protecting yourself legally while creating an asset that can be sold at the appropriate time.

Finally, four nonclinical part-time side gigs are discussed, including 3 types of popular freelance consulting businesses and using real estate investing as another strategy for generating income and creating assets.

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Joe McMenamin is a physician attorney. He obtained his medical degree and his doctorate of jurisprudence at the University of Pennsylvania. He has spent most of his professional life practicing medical and healthcare law. He has been a digital health advisor, AI advisor, and speaker on these and other topics. He is also one of the 12 speakers at the live 2024 Nonclinical Career Summit to be held in April.

During today’s interview, Dr. McMenamin provides his thoughts on the topic of work as a medical expert witness. He begins by explaining why he decided to pursue a law degree and career after completing his residency. Then he explains the different types of expert witnesses, and where the medical expert witness fits into the legal system, based on years of experience engaging his own expert witnesses and cross-examining opposing experts.

He also describes what is expected of physician expert witnesses and his advice on pursuing such a role as a consulting and/or testifying expert. We close our conversation with Joe’s advice for practicing physicians who may be considering the pursuit of a law degree.

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Dr. Jennifer Allen is a board-certified Family Physician who graduated from Oceania University of Medicine in 2012 and completed residency training at Mercy Hospital St. Louis in 2015. Prior to becoming a physician, she was a family nurse practitioner. Kimberly Lowe, BSN received her Bachelor of Science degree in Nursing in 2015. With over 15 years of experience, she has practiced in a wide variety of settings.

Four years ago, Dr. Allen and Kimberly Lowe discovered that they both had a vision for creating a clinic experience with an upbeat, joyful atmosphere that would bring in the latest in unique medical treatments. So they created their Infusion Lounge where they offer integrative medicine services that encompass diet and lifestyle medicine.

Their clinics today are recognized as the most refreshing medical offices in their part of Missouri, offering services in regenerative medicine, FDA-approved non-medicinal pain management treatments, bio-identical hormone optimization, anti-aging skincare, body sculpting, and other med-spa services.

In today’s interview, Jennifer and Kimberly describe what an Infusion Center is, and how they built their network of clinics over the past 4 years. They provide insights for other clinicians thinking about venturing into the world of medical and spa-like services outside of the traditional high-volume, insurance-driven medical-industrial complex.

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Dr. Jonathan Vitale presented one of the most popular lectures at the first Nonclinical Career Summit in April 2023. For this week’s podcast episode, we are posting Part 1 of that lecture.

During this presentation, Dr. Vitale describes his background as a Family Physician and his work in Utilization Management for the past 7 years. He explains the duties of a UM Medical Director and why it is a popular nonclinical career option.

Then he spells out how physicians can obtain relevant experience part-time while still working clinically. He closes this session by describing in detail how to apply for their first full-time job in the field.

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Dr. Lara Salyer described her career journey from rural Family Physician to Functional Medicine Practitioner on the PNC Podcast in 2019. Since that time, Lara has continued to grow and diversify her practice.

In addition to bringing all the best of her allopathic and integrative aspects of care to her patients, Lara is also on a mission to help practitioners redesign their work/life with more creativity and less burnout. She produces online business courses and received certification from the Flow Research Collective to offer mentorship assistance in creating flow-channeled, anti-burnout careers.

Lara now offers her Catalyst Studio™ mentorship to support medical entrepreneurs build their own unique micropractice. And she hosts The Catalyst Podcast in which she chats with interesting guests across the globe as they re-imagine better healthcare.

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Dr. Chelsea Turgeon provided a fantastic lecture for last year’s Nonclinical Summit. As I was preparing for this year’s 2024 Summit in April, I thought you would genuinely appreciate hearing part of that presentation here on the podcast.

She starts by explaining how she recognized her poor fit for a career in medicine in medical school and residency. Much of it was because of her need to meet the expectations of others in her life, rather than pursuing her passions. But the longer she stayed in medicine, the more miserable she became.

What began as a 5-week leave of absence became a permanent exit from her OB/gyne residency. She goes on to describe her journey, first teaching English in South Korea, to becoming a Digital Nomad, starting her own business, and generating a six-figure income while living in 20 different countries.

She finishes her presentation by describing how she and others found meaningful work while living the most interesting and fulfilling life she could imagine.

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Our guest this week was working as a dentist when her entrepreneurial instincts kicked in. She created a very successful referral-based dental clinic, then a professional dance company, followed by a business coaching company for dentists. After that, she developed a social media agency with 14 full-time employees, which later morphed into her current business Unleashing Influence, Inc.

Dr. Angela Mulrooney completed her Doctorate in Dental Medicine at the University of Saskatchewan and ran her own practice from 2009 until 2015 in Calgary, Alberta. She now helps clients pivot to entrepreneurship, leverage their expertise, and do work they love from any location they choose while earning more.

During our interview, Angela tells us her unique story, including her experiences as a consultant and coach helping other clinicians build their own businesses. She also explains how marketing using LinkedIn drives much of her own business, and how you can do the same.

Before exiting the interview, she has encouraging words for physicians who are frustrated, bored, or disillusioned with working in the corporate healthcare system.

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Physicians leave clinical medicine for a variety of reasons. Many leave due to burnout or job dissatisfaction. However, a small and growing number have been forced out of practicing medicine by a process called sham peer review.

Peer review is a legitimate process to protect patients in which fellow physicians on a hospital medical staff objectively review a physician’s work. But the process can also be used to falsely accuse physicians of poor performance to silence them and have them removed from the medical staff. The process almost always results in a National Practitioner Databank report, which makes it difficult to maintaining malpractice insurance coverage, and eventual rejection from payor physician panels.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) and Dr. Lawrence R. Huntoon have spent the past twenty years fighting this unfair abuse of the peer review process. Dr. Huntoon is the Past President of the AAPS and has served as Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons since 2003. He has also been the Chairman of the AAPS Committee to Combat Sham Peer Review since 2004 and is an internationally recognized and court-qualified expert in sham peer review.

In this week’s interview, Larry describes how sham peer review works, and why it is so devastating to physicians. He also provides tips on how to lower your risk of sham peer review, recognize it early, and address it when it happens.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/sham-peer-review/

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One of the most common questions we get is whether there are health plan utilization management medical director jobs for specialists. It is a popular nonclinical job, and there is a widely held belief that only primary care physicians qualify.

This question and many others were addressed by my guest, Dr. Richard Berning, in May of 2019 for podcast episode 88. Today’s episode is the replay of that interview. Dr. Berning practiced pediatric cardiology for 20 years before deciding to leave clinical medicine and take his first job as a medical director for a large health plan. And in today’s interview, he explains why he loves that job. He also describes the requirements for landing the job, the usual job duties, and why it is open to both primary care physicians and specialists.

Rich also provides tips for obtaining applicable experience while still working clinically, and how to find that first full-time position as a medical director.

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Ethan Nkana founded his agency, Rocky Mountain Physician Agency, to honor his mother's legacy as an anesthesiologist by helping physicians like her earn the highest possible compensation in their employment agreements.

With his JD and MBA degrees and over 15 years of hospital executive experience in physician contracting, hospital operations, and human resources, he has a deep understanding of the complexities of physician employment agreements.

He has negotiated hundreds of physicians' contracts and his focus now is on helping physicians earn the highest salaries in the market while optimizing their entire benefits package.

In today’s interview, Ethan describes his experiences helping negotiate contracts and how he addresses salaries, noncompete clauses, tail coverage, and other critical issues. And he explains why it is critically important to negotiate the best possible employment contract possible.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/negotiate-a-great-contract/

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In this week’s show, John interviews Dr. Morgan Leafe. Dr. Leafe is a board-certified pediatrician with over 20 years of experience in clinical practice and medical education. She received her medical degree from Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia, and a Master’s in Healthcare Administration (MHA) with an Informatics Concentration from St. Joseph’s University, also in Philadelphia. She is also board-certified in Clinical Informatics.

Morgan was very intentional about leaving clinical medicine and starting a freelance nonclinical career that allows her to work remotely, including while traveling. She chose to become a medical writer and started part-time about 5 years ago. Today she writes full-time, with a focus on writing for medical education companies, blogs, websites, life care planning organizations, board review companies, and others.

In today’s interview, Morgan describes her career journey and the types of writing that she does. She provides advice on how to explore and prepare for a career in medical writing, including the characteristics of each genre and how to use mentors and networking to find writing projects as a freelancer.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/love-medical-writing/

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Is it still possible to open and run a successful private practice? With practices being bought out by large systems, and newly trained physicians choosing to begin their careers as employees, the private practice is disappearing. However there is a small but persistent group of physicians making it work. Concierge and DPC practices are also breathing life into the private practice.

One of the challenges to running a successful private practice is that most physicians do not have the business training to run a small business. While it does not require an MBA, there are basic business concepts that must be understood for any business to succeed. In this interview with Mr. Eric Miller, listeners will learn some of those basic principles, and how to find the help they need to start a practice and nurture it into a valuable asset.

Eric founded Econologics Financial Advisors in 2012. His tagline is “We turn practice owners into financial beasts: Debt Free. Protected. Invested. Set for Life.” He and his team have helped hundreds of healthcare practice owners learn to treat their practices as investments rather than jobs.

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When I began attending management meetings, I was hearing my fellow hospital executives talk about doing a “Swat” Analysis. I figured the term was borrowed from the concept of a Swat Team, since Swat Teams are police tactical units trained, equipped, and deployed to resolve "high-risk situations" quickly.

Later I came to understand that a SWOT Analysis was called that because it is the acronym for a study undertaken by an organization to identify its internal Strengths and Weaknesses, as well as its external Opportunities and Threats. Ideally, a SWOT Analysis is performed by a team, in which each participant brings their unique perspectives and backgrounds to produce a comprehensive list of the SWOT components that can be used to maximize the odds of success when developing a new service or product.

In this podcast episode, John posts a recording of a lecture he gave in which he described his experiences with participating in and running SWOT Analyses from 2 years ago. In it, he also describes how to translate the findings of an Analysis into a series of goals in which a strength or opportunity is used to overcome a threat or weakness.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/swot-analysis/

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Dr. Nilesh Dave is a pulmonologist and sleep and critical care specialist. In addition to his medical training, he obtained his Master of Public Health at Johns Hopkins University, Bloomberg School of Public Health, and Master of Business Administration at Northwestern University, Kellogg School of Management.

He first appeared on the podcast 4 years ago. At the time he was practicing and serving as a medical director for one of the regional Blue Cross/Blue Shield subsidiaries. Since then, his career has continued to flourish, and he is now Vice-President for Clinical Effectiveness and Chief Medical Officer for a large hospital system.

In today’s interview, we discuss how his career as a hospital senior executive developed. Nilesh shares advice for others who wish to pursue a similar career path, including his opinion about obtaining advanced certifications and degrees.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/health-system-chief-medical-officer/

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In this week’s show, John interviews Dr. Luissa Kiprono. She is a Maternal Fetal Medicine specialist who first appeared on the podcast 2 years ago. Dr. Kiprono attended the University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine; completed her residency at Wright State University/Wright Patterson Medical Center (OB-GYN); and her perinatology fellowship at the University of Mississippi Medical Center. In 2020 she completed her executive MBA at the University of Tennessee Haslam College of Business.

For most of her career, she worked in a traditional perinatology practice. But in 2022, she started TeleMed MFM, her solo telemedicine practice. Combining technology and commitment to excellent medical care, she is able to make high-risk pregnancy care available to all women beyond borders or geographical limitations. During our interview, she describes how she built her practice, and how she integrates state-of-the-art diagnostic technology into it.

Finally, Dr. Kiprono recently completed her memoire, which is set to be released in February, called Push, Then Breathe: Trauma, Triumph, and the Making of an American Doctor. During our conversation, she explains the inspiration for the book and the process of publishing it.

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In this week’s show, John interviews Dr. Adam Robison, a full-time hospitalist. Five years ago, he was so frustrated with the lack of important tools in his EMR that he decided to create a solution for himself and others.

With no background in computer programming, he sought help and investigated what it would take to use EHR data to apply important algorithms, rules, and risk assessment tools in real time. He developed a plan, recruited others with the knowledge and skills he needed, and sought investors. Along the way he recruited a co-founder/CEO to help navigate the company’s journey.

In today’s interview, Adam describes how he brought his vision to life while continuing to work as a hospitalist. Today he serves as the Chief Medical Officer of his company, AI Medica. He is proud that his tools are being used by hospitals to improve patient care and make physicians’ work easier.

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In this week’s show, John interviews Dr. David Feig. Dr. Feig completed his medical degree and his Master’s Degree in Public Health at Emory University. Then he completed a Family Medicine Residency at the University of Michigan and a Sports Medicine Fellowship at Rush University Medical Center.

He worked for 4 years before branching out into chart reviews, and part-time medical director roles in various settings. He also tried locums and telemedicine along the way. In his most recent job, he is reviews claims as a Medicare contractor.

David describes his educational and career journey. He lists the clinical practices he has worked in, and his stints in locum tenens and telemedicine. He also explains why he was motivated to move away from full-time clinical practice to other options that offered more flexibility and independence.

Finally, he explains why he decided to take a full time nonclinical job reviewing Medicare claims, how that job differs from the usual UM job, and advice on how to thrive in that position.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/find-fulfillment-and-flexibility

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In this week’s show, John interviews Dr. Alexandra Howsen. Dr. Howsen is a medical writer, educator, and podcaster. A former trauma operating room nurse, Alex was faculty at the universities of Aberdeen and Edinburgh in Scotland for a decade.

She left academia in 2004 and subsequently built a thriving freelance medical writing business in the USA specializing in creating content for continuing education in the health professions (also known as CME). Alex teaches and coaches new-to-the-field medical writers how to break into CME, find clients, and build a sustainable CME/CE writing niche.

A few years ago, she began teaching and coaching others. She now provides several programs for those pursuing a career as a writer of CE and CME.

During our interview, Alex describes her journey from nursing to academia to CME and CE writing. She explains why it is an excellent career choice for clinicians who enjoy writing.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/ce-writing-business

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In this week’s show, John interviews Dr. Christian Zouain. Christian first appeared in Episode 77 to discuss how he landed his first job in Clinical Documentation Improvement (now usually referred to as Clinical Documentation Integrity).

During our interview, he shares his advice for landing your first job and mentions resources not discussed in his first appearance. He also describes how the industry has changed, and how to advance professionally in the industry.

He reminds listeners that it is possible to find a career in this field even if you have not completed residency. And he closes by inviting listeners to contact him for advice and to find out about open positions at his employer

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In this week’s show, John shares what he has learned as a podcaster and YouTube video producer to help you deliver an amazing remote video job interview. It’s not as simple as just showing up and answering a few questions about yourself.

Preparing for the interview itself, understanding how to act, and what questions to expect have been covered in an earlier presentation. In this episode, John reminds us how to prevent technical problems, to ensure that the video and sound quality are optimal.

By addressing the psychological, behavioral, and technical issues during your remote interviews, you will stand out from other applicants competing for the position you’re pursuing.

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In this week’s show, John describes why so many nonclinical jobs require translating or interpreting information for physicians or healthcare managers, or leaders. Common examples include medical directors for quality improvement, utilization and benefits management, clinical documentation integrity, and informatics.

Two types of freelance businesses that involve the legal system also involve that kind of interpretation. These are jobs in the medical-legal and expert witness consulting fields.

The two businesses generate income in excess of most clinical positions (on an hourly basis). However, they differ in a number of important ways. John explains how they differ, and where you can find training to assist you to enter either field.

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In this week’s show, John provides a short update on what’s going on with NewScript, and the Nonclinical Career Academy. And he spends a minute or two sharing updates on two of his most popular guests.

He spends the rest of the show sharing his answer to a question offered by one of his listeners: Is coaching/consulting by a career expert to overcome very specific challenges worth the cost of the coaching?

As John explains during the episode, it depends on severral factors, including the complexity of the problem, the specificity of the problem, and the skills and reputation of the coach.

While there is sometimes no objective answer to a question like this, John describes how he would approach the question. And he offers advice on how to optimize your chance of getting the most from the relationship. He also explains why coaching and consulting appear to be expensive, yet offer abundant value to the coachee.

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In this week’s show, John brings back a popular guest. She appeared twice in the past to describe the founding and management of her MedSpa business.

Recently, Dr. Lisa Jenks was approached by several private equity firms about purchasing her MedSpa. At first, she didn’t consider a sale.

But as time went on, she thought about her future retirement, and the idea began to appeal to her. She started by talking with some of the firms to gather information and better understand her options. Later, she selected a firm to work with and began discussions in earnest.

After agreeing on a sale price, they began working out the details of the sale. Six months later, the necessary contracts were signed and Lisa passed ownership to the new owner.

During our conversation, Lisa explains:

why she decided to sell her business,
the factors that made the offer attractive to her,
what she did to prepare for the sale, and
how long she would remain as an employee and consultant for the new owner.

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In today's show, John presents his interview with Dr. Dana Corriel from Doctors on Social Media which he recorded a few years ago. The information she provides regarding branding and social media is as true today as it was when we recorded the session.

These principles will be helpful in at least two ways:

First, they apply to promote any current or future business you may be involved with as an owner or an advisor.
Second, the principles also apply to promoting yourself as a candidate to a clinical practice, corporation, or nonprofit, whether as an employee or a board member.

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In this week’s show, John answers this question: what is the best way to generate income and create wealth? It’s an important question. Clinicians sometimes limit their options when addressing their dissatisfaction with the stress and burnout of working in the current healthcare system.

The most obvious choice is to find employment in a nonclinical position that is less stressful. It’s a valid option that usually solves the burnout problem with a career that pays well and improves work-life balance.

But an often more life-changing answer is to pause and answer this question: how can I generate income and create generational wealth as part of my transition away from day-to-day patient care?

One of the answers John provides is to become a business owner. However, successful business ownership can be a high-stakes endeavor that takes more time than a simple career pivot and requires sizable cash investment. So, John explains how to reduce both the risk and the timetable for becoming a business owner in today’s presentation.

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In April of this year, NewScript presented its 2023 Nonclinical Career Summit. The Summit consisted of 12 LIVE lectures and Q&A over 3 evenings. The speakers were fantastic, spending 50 minutes addressing topics from preparing for career transition, to specific nontraditional careers.

My presentation covered the topic of Hospital Leadership Jobs. Today’s podcast is an excerpt of the first 25 minutes of that presentation. It covers the following topics:

my journey from full-time family physician to hospital CMO,
why hospital leadership is a great career,
which areas to start as medical director,
the salary to expect and how to find salaries of others working in nonprofit hospitals,
answer the question, does your specialty matter?, and,
the five areas in which to develop new skills.

The episode closes with an invitation to purchase access to all twelve of the lectures presented at the 2023 Nonclinical Career Summit by going to nonclinicalcareersummit.com

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For the past 2 months, John has been posting 30-minute responses to questions for NewScript. If you’re not a NewScript member, you may recall that Dr. Tom Davis and John created NewScript 2 years ago as a place for clinicians who are disillusioned and disappointed by the current healthcare working conditions to get together to support one another, learn from each other, and access all kinds of resources to help them.

Inside the NewScript membership, we provide recorded audio and video lessons, live events, and access to a dozen Mentors with expertise in nonclinical and nontraditional careers.

John started holding Q&A sessions 2 months ago. The sessions are recorded and posted for NewScript members to view at their convenience.

And he thought that the material in a recent session would be helpful to many of you, especially if you’re a new listener. He hopes you enjoy it

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John invited Dr. David Geier back to the podcast for this week’s interview. His first appearance was in August of 2018 in Episode 49. He was an early adopter of using social media and podcasting to help promote his practice and speaking engagements.

Dr. Geier is a local media personality with thousands of television appearances. As a podcaster, he has posted over 400 podcast episodes. And he has written a book called That’s Gotta Hurt: The Injuries That Changed Sports Forever, which we discussed during his first appearance.

David is a triple board-certified orthopedist who has shifted his approach to sports injuries and chronic joint problems over the past few years. During our interview we talked about his experiences with burnout, his YouTube channel, how he uses speaking engagements to promote himself, his new medical practice, and how he uses artificial intelligence (AI) to facilitate content creation.

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In this week’s episode, John presents 3 specific ways to ace your next job interview. This is a critical part of your nontraditional job search. You’ve narrowed your choice to a single job. You’ve convinced someone that you’re qualified. And now you’ve scheduled your interview.

These tips build on the basics covered in Podcast Episode 223 in November of 2021. These new tips will help you blow away the competition.

The three tips address these areas:

Getting familiar and personal with your interviewers;
Use the “Past, Present, and Future” framework to answer the request to “Tell us about yourself.”
Prepare this best answer when you are asked: “Do you have any questions?”

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In this week’s episode, John interviews Kasia Hein-Peters. Dr. Hein-Peters is a psychiatrist turned advisor and consultant focusing on MedTech and digital tech startups as an advisor, mentor, and fractional executive.

Recently, Kasia became board-certified by the American Board of AI in Medicine and is a licensed innovation practitioner by INNOVATION360.

She helps healthcare, digital health, and life science companies reach their strategic goals, achieve sustainable growth, and launch leading brands.

During our conversation, she described the framework she uses to achieve these outcomes which she calls Discovery, Innovation, Value, and Execution.

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In this week’s episode, John interviews Dr. Rachael Degurse. Dr. Degurse is a board-certified family physician who developed a desire to build more freedom and control in her life. After doing a lot of soul-searching, she believed that starting her own business would be the best way to accomplish that.

She wanted to interact with clients in a way that is similar to treating patients. And she wanted to use her medical skills and experience. So, she decided a medical spa, or medspa, would be her best option.

She opened her medspa almost 2 years ago, after quickly learning the essential legal and financial knowledge she would need. Since then, she has slowly built the business while learning about contracting, and marketing and becoming certified in the most popular procedures she needs to offer in a competitive medspa business.

During our conversation, she describes what she has done, and offers advice for listeners considering a similar decision.

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In this week’s episode, John interviews Dr. Karen Barnard. Growing up in South Africa, Dr. Barnard completed her medical degree in Johannesburg. She moved to the U.S. where she completed her residency and fellowship training in internal medicine and endocrinology.

She spent years working and practicing her specialty in academia. However, she gradually developed a desire to move in a new direction and became interested in coaching. She pursued formal instruction and became a certified coach. She now spends much of her time as a career coach for physicians.

During the interview, Karen talks about her career journey and how she loves helping other professionals work through their career transition. Then we discuss some of the common challenges her clients face and the tactics she teaches to help clients find a fulfilling new career.

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In this week’s episode, John interviews Dr. Brian Foley. Brian has always been interested in achieving financial independence and teaching other physicians how to achieve it, too.

He is known through his website at WealthyDoc.org, where he presents regular blog posts and plenty of other free resources to get you started on your journey to financial freedom.

During the interview, we talked about his background, his book Wealthy Doc’s Guide to Achieving Financial Freedom, how to maximize your practice income, and a few thoughts about real estate as a source of passive income.

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In this week’s episode, John interviews Dr. Savi Chadha. Dr. Chadha is an experienced MSL who was first interviewed in Episode Number 50 in 2018. Savi started as an MSL in 2016 with Amplity Health. He then joined Supernus Pharmaceuticals in 2017, and has been there since. He now holds the Senior Regional Medical Manager & Medical Science Liaison position.

He has twice been nominated for MSL of the Year by the MSL Society and is board-certified by the Medical Science Liaison Society. He is also on faculty with SEAK, an organization dedicated to assisting physicians in seeking and obtaining nonclinical careers.

During our interview, Savi describes his career as an MSL, and why he pursued board certification through the Society. Finally, he advises listeners about pursuing a nonclinical career, becoming an MSL, and taking on new roles when working for a pharma company.

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In this this week’s episode, John describes a real-life example of a popular small business being offered for sale in the near future. He explains why this business is attractive to those with a healthcare background, and how the business generates income for the owner.

He also describes the features that buyers look for in a business like this. And, using data from an online business clearing house, he lists statistics on sales price, revenues, sellers' discretionary earnings (SDE), and other information from recent sales.

The business being sold that inspired this episode is over 10 years old and the owner is retiring later this year. Interested buyers listening to the podcast can contact the seller to learn about the details of this business opportunity by emailing seniorcareoffer@gmail.com.

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This week’s episode features Dr. Stephanie Pearson, who first appeared on the podcast in February 2018. At that time, she described how she became interested in helping healthcare professionals protect their most valuable financial asset - their income - and life’s most important people - their family.

During our conversation, she explains her career journey, and why she is so passionate about what she does. She spends time telling us how she has grown her business since our last conversation.

Finally, we learn from her how to protect the income that depends on your ongoing ability to work in your chosen career and her advice about life insurance.

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This week’s episode is a follow-up to Podcast Episode Number 269, Month One of the 12 Month Roadmap to a New Career. The Roadmap to a New Career is comprised of 6 stages during which specific activities can be accomplished to move forward on your nonclinical career journey.

This episode picks up where episode 269 ended, walking through the major steps in Stage 2.

These include:

Joining an appropriate professional organization,
Begin networking aggressively, and
Exploring courses, certifications, or degrees if warranted by the job being pursued

During his presentation, John lists free resources that include a list of 70 nonclinical jobs, a list of professional organizations and their services, and access to the 12 Month Roadmap graphic.

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This week’s episode is an excerpt from a live webinar that was presented in July of 2023. During the webinar, Dr. John Jurica addresses these three goals for the attendees:

Learn why physicians are qualified for a pharma job whether they are licensed and board certified or not.
List the reasons they will earn a higher salary in a pharma job than in most clinical positions.
Apply proven strategies for landing their first pharma industry job.

During the presentation, John relates stories from five physicians with various backgrounds to demonstrate the strategies used to land their first pharma industry job. And he includes a story about a physician who used her MSL position as an intermediate job before moving to Clinical Development.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/first-pharma-industry-job/

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This week’s episode is a replay of another popular PNC podcast episode. It ran in early 2022. In it, John interviews Dr. Heather Fork.

Heather Fork, MD is an ICF master certified coach who helps physicians find their best career path forward, whether in medicine, a nonclinical career, or something else. In 2010 she founded the Doctor’s Crossing and has worked with hundreds of physicians to find greater career fulfillment and meaning in their work.

She hosts the weekly Doctor’s Crossing Carpe Diem Podcast and is passionate about creating resources to make it easier for physicians to navigate their careers.

Today she is here to discusses LinkedIn, an important tool that every physician should master to advance their careers more effectively. And she focuses on how to network and attract attention from recruiters.

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In this week’s episode, John revisits a discussion of the 5 persistent myths that clinicians believe when they begin to consider a career transition.

Physicians have been convinced by their employers and training programs that it is very difficult to leave assembly-line, corporate-style medicine for a nonclinical career because:

there are no jobs;
they’re not qualified;
the salaries are too low;
they will be abandoning patients; and,
their reputations will be ruined.

As a result, we continue to suppress our feelings and delay implementing the solution to these problems.

In this show, John describes why these myths are wrong to enable listeners to fully embrace their pursuit of a fulfilling new nonclinical career.

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In this week’s episode, Dr. Linda Ho returns to talk about her experiences working in pharma. During her first visit, she described why she left clinical medicine to pursue a career as a medical science liaison and offered advice to others interested in such a career.

Since that episode, Dr. Ho has moved into a new role in clinical development. She describes the differences between these two positions, and why she likes working in CD. Finally, she provides advice for other physicians thinking about pursuing a similar career in the pharmaceutical industry.

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This week’s episode is a replay of another popular PNC podcast episode. It ran in January 2022. In it, John interviews Dr. Ronnie Shalev.

She is a board-certified Emergency Medicine doctor whose high-pressure job “sucked the life out of her, leaving her weary, burned out, and unable to enjoy her family, kids, and day-to-day life.” Because she was paid well, she felt bound by the “golden handcuffs,” and saw no end in sight.

Through passive real estate investing, she was able to quit her grueling emergency room job and move into a less-demanding role at a medical device company. Now, she helps frustrated physicians who feel trapped earn income with passive real estate investments so they have more freedom and are not bound by their jobs.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/how-to-use-real-estate-investing/

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In this week’s episode, John interviews Dr. Melissa Choi. She’s a family physician who chose to pivot to a career in the Pharma Industry. She found her first job as a clinical researcher and is now a principal investigator.

During our interview, she addresses the following questions:

Why did she choose to leave clinical medicine?
Why did she select this particular position?
How did she find her first job?
How did she adjust her resumé and prepare for her interviews?
What advice does she have for us if seeking a similar position?

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In this replay episode from January 2022, we delve into the world of remote physician advising with Dr. Robert Craven. Dr. Craven, who initially worked as a hospitalist, made an unexpected transition to become a physician advisor for utilization management. With a year of full-time remote work under his belt, he shares valuable insights about his role, its benefits, and how others can pursue similar positions.

Dr. Craven's journey began with his medical degree from The University of Tennessee Health Science Center, followed by an Internal Medicine Residency at Carolinas Healthcare System. After gaining nine years of experience as a hospitalist, an exciting opportunity arose for him to serve as a physician advisor. What makes his position unique is the remote nature of his work, allowing for flexibility and increased family time, while still providing intellectual stimulation and delivering value to his employer, fellow physicians, and patients.

Join us for an engaging conversation as Dr. Craven elaborates on the intricacies of being a remote physician advisor within a large healthcare system. Whether you're curious about this career path, seeking greater work-life balance, or interested in making a meaningful impact in healthcare, this replay episode offers valuable insights and inspiration. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of remote physician advising and learn how you can navigate a similar path.

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This week’s episode is a replay of the most downloaded podcast episode. It ran in early 2022. In it, John interviews Dr. Paul Hercock, the CEO of Mantra Systems.

Paul is an expert at how to land a medical device company job, particularly in the European Union. He wrote a book about it called "Beyond The Ward: A Doctor's Guide to Careers Outside the NHS."

During his interview, Paul explains that his company is a consultancy business that provides medical and regulatory support to medical device companies. To do so, it employs physicians as medical advisors.

And to fill the need for physicians to fill these positions, he built a training program for physicians interested in pursuing a job in the industry. It's called the Medical Affairs Associates Program. And he describes the training system and how it prepares physicians to enter this growing field.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/how-to-prepare-for-a-great-job/

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In this week’s episode, John offers advice about using LinkedIn. Most clinicians pursuing a nonclinical job have already built a LinkedIn profile. However, some of the more advanced aspects of a LinkedIn page are often overlooked.

LinkedIn can be very useful for adding new contacts and networking with them. Since more than half of those looking for a new job find a job through a personal referral rather than by applying online, expanding one’s network will enhance your job search.

LinkedIn also serves as a job board, with millions of job postings. And it facilitates the process of working with recruiters. John describes some of the ways in which seeking clinicians can leverage LinkedIn to find and connect with recruiters.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/find-your-first-nonclinical-job

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In this week’s show, John presents a topic that has not been discussed in detail before:

Healthcare Management Consulting jobs with prominent national and international consulting firms.

When he worked as a hospital CMO, there was always a new consulting firm or two working for the organization. And many of the teams included physician consultants.

During the conversation, he lists the five reasons that these jobs can be quite attractive:

There is a high demand for these.
Jobs are available for experienced and novice physicians, even those without board certification.
Pay and benefits are very good.
There is room for advancement.
You will learn many new useful and transferable skills

He also includes a free list of 25 large healthcare management consulting firms to download for those interested in pursuing one of these positions.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/healthcare-management-consulting/.

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In this week’s show, John presents what he learned about Zoom as he prepared for and hosted the first NewScript Summit.

When hosting a conference using the basic version of Zoom, there are certain settings to use to optimize accommodating up to 500 participants.

In addition, if you’re going to be recording individual sessions by other speakers who are sharing their screens, or if you’re going to play prerecorded videos, you must be aware of these settings.

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In this week’s show, John interviews Dr. Latifat Akintade. She is a gastroenterologist and founder of The Money Coaching School. She is also the host of The MoneyFitMD podcast. She combines her interest in personal finance, her training as a certified life coach, and her passion for physician wellness.

She is also the author of, “Done With Broke: A Woman Physicians Guide to More Money and Less Hustle.”

She explains during our conversation that she believes every physician can create their own wealthy life. We discuss her book and how it helps readers with the tools they need to be financially liberated and live fully, without burning out.

You will find all of the links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/more-money-with-less-hustle/

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In this week’s show, Dr. Kerri Best-Sule describes how she discovered early in her clinical career that traditional medical practice does not support healthy family life.

She completed her pediatric residency at the University of Maryland and then went on to practice outpatient pediatrics for 3 years before deciding to make her transition into the pharma industry.

She started by working as a contracted part-time employee before deciding to move full-time into a role in Pharma Safety involving vaccines. Her temporary position helped greatly in making the transition from clinical work to Pharma Safety Associate Medical Director.

During our conversation, she offers her advice for those wishing to pursue a similar career path.

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In this week’s show, John interviews Dr. Jeffrey Gazzara. Dr. Gazzara attended the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine for medical school and completed his internship at the Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine.

He is a General Practitioner who has been practicing in telemedicine for five and a half years. Over that time, he has been promoted to a number of leadership roles including Medical Director and Supervising Physician Leader.

In spite of the progress he made in his career, he has faced challenges during his medical education and professional life as a result of his vision impairment. During our conversation, Dr. Gazzara describes those challenges and some of the steps he has taken to overcome them. And he provides advice to those with similar physical impairments.

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In this week’s episode, John and his partner in NewScript, Dr. Tom Davis, discuss the state of the healthcare system, and other issues affecting physicians. They also describe new resources they plan to post in NewScript and briefly discuss the recently completed Nonclinical Career Summit.

Tom also describes his recent efforts to streamline and improve his coaching and consulting business. And his recent additions to the NewScript community. Now members can access all of the lessons from his complete Telemedicine Course.

We also discuss other types of consulting and small business start-ups our colleagues have developed. And how now is a great time to leverage our clinical backgrounds outside the traditionally employed positions to create flexible, well-compensated businesses.

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In this week’s episode, John interviews Dr. Ryan Bayley. He first appeared on the show over 4 years ago to talk about his experiences as a business and success coach. Since then, the part of his practice that seems to be growing the fastest is helping to address or prevent disruptive or inappropriate behavior.

Dr. Bayley realized that a growing number of physicians were being put on administrative leave. And their licenses to practice medicine were being suspended or revoked. When he looked for books on the subject that he could share with physicians, he couldn’t find any. So, he decided to write his own.

That book was published recently, and Ryan joins me to cover many of the topics he wrote about. He describes why the system is becoming more dangerous, how to avoid exposing yourself, and what to do if you find yourself accused of disruptive behavior or of breaching personal boundaries.

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In this week’s episode, John interviews Dr. Prenay Parikh. Prenay is an internist, podcaster, and real estate investor. He still works as a nocturnist, but he’s been helping others to invest in real estate since co-founding Ascent Equity Group about three years ago. He is also the host of the From MD to Entrepreneur Podcast. In addition to his medical credentials, he recently completed a Masters in Medical Management through Carnegie Mellon University.

His company Ascent Equity Group is built by physicians for physicians. With decades of combined experience investing in single-family, multi-family, and mixed-use projects, his firm seeks to acquire cash-flow and tax-efficient opportunities that allow investors to grow and preserve their wealth outside the stock market.

John brought him onto the podcast for an update on real estate, mainly because of the recent increase in interest rates and bank failures we’ve recently experienced.

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In this week’s episode, John Jurica provides an overview of the factors that went into planning the first NewScript Nonclinical Career Summit.

NewScript is an online community of clinicians looking for professional satisfaction, overcoming the stress and burnout arising out of the current healthcare system, and moving into more satisfying nonclinical and nontraditional careers. John is the co-founder with Dr. Tom Davis.

During his presentation, John addresses several issues:

what inspired John and Tom to create a 3-day Summit;
the principles they followed during the process;
how they planned each of the important components of presenting a Summit, from choosing the curriculum, recruiting speakers, and creating the website, to marketing the Summit, and managing the event.

John invited everyone to join the free live event on April 11 through 13, from 7:00 PM until 11:00 PM Eastern Time. During each 4-hour session, there will be four 30-minute presentations followed by 20 minutes of live Q&A and a short break.

Everyone is invited to register for the free event at nonclinicalcareersummit.com. Those wishing to purchase the video and audio recordings and bonuses can do so using the same link.

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In this week’s episode, Dr. Mike Woo-Ming returns to the podcast to explain how to build a cash-based business. Since it eliminates the hassle of billing insurance companies, such practices bring more autonomy and satisfaction.

There are several types of businesses that follow this model, including:

weight loss
skincare and aesthetic
medical spas
concierge medicine

During the conversation, Mike describes how he started, how his business has adjusted to meet market needs and add new services, and how he grew the number of clinics over time.

His advice is to keep things simple, start small, leverage your team, and take advantage of opportunities when they arise.

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In this week’s episode, Alan Goldberg, franchise expert, and consultant describes what a franchise is and why it is an excellent option for building a new clinical or nonclinical business.

During our conversation, he explains the legal and financial aspects of franchises and listed dozens of types of franchises physicians and other clinicians might find especially attractive.

Finally, since his services are free to those looking for a franchise, he offers to help you explore this exciting approach to building a business.

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In this week’s episode, John provides a description of the 5 common categories of home-based and remote careers. And provides an overview of the specific jobs open to physicians and other clinicians in each one.

Those 5 categories of jobs include:

Chart reviews
Medical writing
Telemedicine
Consulting
Coaching

He also describes the newest opportunities that have opened up in each of the five categories in recent years.

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In this week’s episode, John describes why some job searches become so frustrating and unproductive. It can feel like we’re bogged down and not making any progress once we’ve decided to pursue that nonclinical position.

Part of the explanation is that we may be expecting too much. When making such a drastic move the path is often not as straightforward as we’re expecting. And we must learn a whole new set of skills.

Common frustrations result from NOT doing the following:

Fully committing to the process,
Addressing your self-limiting beliefs,
Devoting insufficient time to the process,
Narrowing our search to one specific job,
Obtaining new skills to demonstrate your commitment,
Finding and engaging a mentor or two,
Growing your network and finding a sponsor at each company,
Optimizing your LinkedIn profile, and,
Converting your CV to a winning resumé.

Address each of these and your job search will progress more quickly.

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Eleanor Tanno, MD is a Family Physician, Speaker, and Advance Directive Consultant. She completed her medical degree at the U. of Maryland School of Medicine, and her Family Medicine Residency at the Virginia Commonwealth University.

She is a full-time primary care family physician and partner in her private practice. She started her side venture, Advance Directive MD, to help people create meaningful advance directives. She does this by providing Workshops, Webinars, Public Speaking Events, and Medical Lectures.

This interest developed after meeting many families in the ICU who had never had end-of-life conversations with their family members. And she discovered that most patients who completed advance directives were being shown how to do so by attorneys. However, attorneys and their staffs were not in the best position to explain the options from a medical perspective. So, Dr. Tanno created a business to educate the public about advance directives, and teach individual clients how to properly describe their wishes in these critical documents.

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My guest today is Matt McWilliams. He is living proof that one can pursue one’s passion in life, and do so while making a profit as well.

He is the bestselling author of the book Turn Your Passions Into Profits. Matt worked with some of the top companies and entrepreneurs on the planet such as Shark Tank’s Kevin Harrington, Tony Robbins, Ryan Levesque, Michael Hyatt, Brian Tracy, Jeff Walker, and more.

He wrote his book to help you on your quest to turn your passion and message into a profitable and growing business. He’s been through the startup phase multiple times in the past two decades and has built a following from scratch. Today, he lives out his passion for helping others find their purpose, passion, message, and path to profitability.

He’s the host of The Affiliate Guy Podcast, your source for affiliate marketing news, tips, and strategies to take your online business to the next level.

To learn more about Matt's book and access over $500 in free bonuses, go to passionsintoprofitsbook.com/jurica.

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John frequently receives questions about nonclinical and nontraditional careers from subscribers, podcast listeners, and mastermind members. This is the first in a series of episodes over the next several months in which he responds to 3 or 4 questions.

This week John answers four questions:

What are the highest-paying nonclinical jobs? 2. Are there affordable resources for those pursuing a nonclinical job? 3. What nonclinical jobs can an anesthesiologist pursue? 4. What are the options for a side gig?

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During a recent Nonclinical Mastermind meeting, one of the members posed this question: How do I create a business that allows me to provide advice to clients without creating a physician-patient relationship?

This week John attempts to answer that question by presenting 6 guests who have appeared on his podcast. Each one provides wellness and health improvement advice and coaching without establishing a physician-patient relationship.

After reviewing each of their businesses, he also provides his advice for starting such a business.

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Email subscribers and podcast listeners often approach John with questions about finding a nonclinical or nontraditional clinical job. One of the most common questions is: “How do I get started?”

In this week’s podcast episode, John answers this question while including some of the decisions he made as he pursued his former career as a hospital chief medical officer.

He highlights a stepwise approach that includes:

• Acknowledge something is wrong. • Committing to addressing the problem. • Looking for a solution in your current world. • Looking for a solution near your current world. • Looking for a solution out there somewhere. • Then, learning about what’s possible, what’s been done before, and how did it work out?

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During this week’s episode, John describes why email marketing is an important tool for almost any business and how he has changed his approach to email marketing over the past year or so.

Unlike social media platforms, you own your list and it cannot be suddenly limited or deleted.

Email marketing is less expensive than other marketing approaches, and it provides you with customers who have demonstrated their interest in your products.

An email subscriber list must be nurtured over time. Subscribers will develop trust in you as you provide inspiration, encouragement, and education on a regular basis.

One strategy for doing that involves sending shorter, more frequent emails with personal stories that entertain and educate your subscribers, with a focus on increasing click rates and sales.

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Dr. Laura Kaufman is a board-certified anesthesiologist who specializes in obstetrical anesthesia. She has always had an interest in patient safety and quality improvement, participating in and leading quality committees and teams.

She became frustrated when the focus on quality by those around her did not match their attention to the financial aspects of care. When her employer became part of a new organization, she decided to begin her transition from full-time practice to part-time practice and consulting while completing her master’s degree in patient safety and healthcare quality at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

During our interview, Dr. Kaufman describes the factors she considered as she navigated this career transition.

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In this week’s podcast episode, John describes three major issues that arise during a transition to a nonclinical career.

The three big issues that can easily complicate your transition if not recognized early arise in these 3 areas:

legal or contractual,
financial, and
emotional.

He also describes the steps that can be taken to reduce or eliminate their impact.

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Dr. Armin Feldman practiced psychiatry and psychoanalysis for over 20 years and owned outpatient head injury rehabilitation clinics around the country.

Fifteen years ago, Dr. Feldman began providing an entirely new kind of medical-legal consulting. All of his consulting is pre-litigation and pre-trial. He helps attorneys manage the medical aspects of cases, increase case value, and save time, but he does not participate in medical malpractice cases and does no expert witness work.

Armin helps attorneys to help their clients to negotiate and settle cases and get the appropriate medical care the client needs in personal injury and workers' compensation cases. He has also trained over 1,000 physicians during the past 13 years through his Medical/Legal Consulting Coaching Program.

In today’s interview, Armin provides an overview of this unique nonclinical job and describes his courses and podcast.

Website: https://mdbizcon.com/

Podcast: Physicians Helping Attorneys (https://www.physicianshelpingattorneys.com/)

Social media links:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/armin-feldman-m-d-07282ba8/

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The week between Christmas and New Year’s Eve is generally pretty slow. So, rather than bringing an interview or an intense career-related topic, we address the following question:

How do I encourage my guests to leave at the end of a dinner party?

In a fun and humorous way, John provides a top ten list, in reverse order, of the techniques that he and others have used to gently recognize that it is time to head home.

We hope you enjoy this short diversion.

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Today's guest first appeared on the podcast in Episode 35. She returns now to describe how her business has grown and to discuss her new book.

Life and weight coach Dr. Katrina Ubell is a pediatrician and master-certified life and weight loss coach. She established her weight loss program in 2016 and has assisted more than 1,300 physicians with their battles to get in shape and lose weight. She is the host of the popular Weight Loss for Busy Physicians Podcast.

She recently released her book, "How to Lose Weight for the Last Time: Brain-Based Solutions for Permanent Weight Loss." It provides a more effective approach to weight loss with documented success than the usual diets, supplements, or demanding workout regimens. Using her brain-based strategy, Dr. Ubell has assisted hundreds of busy physicians and other professionals reach and maintain a healthy weight.

Visit Katrina's website at katrinaubellmd.com for more information about her book and other resources. You can sign up for a free class called "Guarantee Your Weight Loss Success" when you purchase the book. Additionally, you'll discover details on her six-month coaching program and podcast.

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Working remotely has become all the rage, with its potential advantages of adding flexibility and autonomy to our lives, avoiding office politics, and practical savings in fuel and automobile maintenance costs.

But there are some real downsides that can occur. Today’s guest is Frieda Wiley, Pharm. D., who worked as a chemist before pursuing her pharmacy doctorate.

Like many of you, she was attracted to the idea of working remotely. She started doing that part-time, but eventually went full-time. And she discovered that there were challenges to working remotely that caused negative mental and physical health consequences.

Those consequences led her to transition from remote clinical work to freelance medical writing. Then she leveraged her writing skills and her experiences to write a book called: Telecommuting Psychosis: From Surviving to Thriving While Working in Your Pajama Pants.

During the podcast, we discuss her work as a medical writer, and some of the lessons she wrote about in her new book.

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This week's episode presents Part 2 of an excerpt from my course How to Secure a Career as a Medical Science Liaison.

Together, these 2 episodes provide you with a good understanding of what an MSL does and how to pursue your first job as an MSL.

The material presented over these two weeks, while dense with information, only represents about 15% of the material in the course itself. But if you’re struggling to pursue a Pharma job, this will help you better understand the most popular entry-level position in the Pharma Industry.

By getting deep into what an MSL job is, and how to apply for your first MSL job, you’ll get a much better idea if this is a good choice for you.

Remember that the material being presented in these two episodes is only a fraction of the lectures and supporting materials found in my course How to Secure a Career as a Medical Science Liaison.

You can learn everything you need to know to apply for your first MSL position for less than $400. To learn more about the course go to nonclinicaphysicians.com/mslcourse.

Anybody who joins now will also get a 3-month pass to the Nonclinical Mastermind and two 30-minute strategy sessions with John Jurica. The Mastermind meets on a Saturday morning or a Wednesday evening each month. It is the best place to find inspiration, support, brainstorming, and accountability as you pursue a new career.

So, sign up for the Complete MSL Course, including the Mastermind experience at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mslcourse.

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The Medical Science Liaison (MSL) in the pharmaceutical industry is a popular position for physicians who wish to leave clinical practice. This is true because it is possible to qualify for the job regardless of the extent of training (i.e., whether residency-trained or board certified, or not) or specialty; it does not require special certifications or degrees (beyond a medical degree); and it provides a moderate amount of flexibility to work part of the time from home. However, it often involves traveling to meet with clients up to 60% of the time.

John created a six-lesson course called How to Secure a Career as a Medical Science Liaison for the Nonclinical Career Academy. And he has taken excerpts from that course for PNC Podcast Episodes 276 and 277. By presenting the pros and cons, and an overview of the steps you can take to prepare for a job as an MSL, you will gain a much deeper understanding of the position and whether to pursue it.

He also goes into detail about common tactics used to find a nonclinical career, including converting your CV to a resumé, engaging mentors; networking effectively, creating a LinkedIn profile, and identifying professional organizations that can hasten your progress. The course can be found at: https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/mslcourse.

You will find links mentioned in the episode at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/captivating-career-as-an-msl.

NewScript, a Community of clinicians writing a new script for their careers and lives, is accepting new members. The easiest way to check it out is to go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/newscript. The monthly fee of under $5 is locked in for life.

However, the fee will be going up to $7.99 per month on Sunday, December 11, 2022. So, get all of the fantastic resources and join a community of like-minded healthcare professionals by going to nonclinicalphysicians.com/newscript TODAY before the monthly fee increases.

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John was interviewed recently, and at one point the host asked John to describe some of the most esoteric nonclinical jobs he has discovered. That got him thinking about the guests he has met over the past 5 years.

So, this week he describes 5 of those guests and the interesting jobs they do that stand out in his mind as particularly unique and unexpected.

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Jen Barna, MD is a board-certified radiologist, and founder and CEO of DocWorking, a company that helps physicians and other healthcare professionals maximize meaning and
purpose in life. It accomplished that by combining expert coaching, peer support communities, and highly interactive courses.

Healthcare organizations use Docworking programs to improve recruitment and retention, address and prevent burnout, and improve work culture.

Dr. Barna is also the co-host of DocWorking: The Whole Physician Podcast.

During today's interview, Dr. Barna explains why coaching is such a valuable tool for physicians, and when it is especially useful. She also provides her advice on selecting a coaching program.

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Lara Hochman, MD is a Family Medicine physician and the Medical Matchmaker. She is an advocate for fellow physicians’ well-being in the face of rising burnout and dissatisfaction. Her own experiences led her to discover the ways physicians lose autonomy, and how to reclaim their focus on helping patients.

She founded Happy Day Health, a boutique physician matchmaking agency to match doctors with well-run, physician-owned private practices where they can avoid burnout and enjoy practicing again.

Lara received her medical degree from the University of Texas. She completed her Family Medicine residency at S. Anthony North Hospital in residency in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

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For most nonclinical careers that a physician might consider when leaving a high-stress corporate-style practice, one or more association or society exists that can provide valuable support.

In this week’s podcast episode, John describes the types of services these organizations provide, and how and when to use their services during the transition to a new job.

During the presentation, John also offers two simple handouts for listeners to download that compare the services of 21 popular organizations.

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This is the second episode in my series on The 12 Month Roadmap to a New Career.

You can find my discussion about Month One of the Roadmap in Episode 269.

This episode addresses one of the activities started in Phase 2 (Months 2 through 4) of my Roadmap: Networking.

Networking can be used to:

start and grow a business, club, social group, etc.
gain acceptance to a school
find an expert to help learn a skill
identify guests for a podcast, radio show, or TV show, and,
find your first nontraditional job.

USUAL WAYS TO NETWORK

Face-to-face at a meeting or conference,
Online using Doximity and LinkedIn, and,
Online as a member of a Professional Organization (e.g., American Association for Physician Leadership, the MSL Society, the American Medical Writers Association, etc.).

Many of the guests on the PNC Podcast depended on networking to identify the decision-maker who interviewed and hired them for a nonclinical position.

In this episode, John describes two of those guests and lays out how to build and nurture a network that will lead you to your first nonclinical position.

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Today I’m presenting a popular podcast blast from the past from Episode 180. In it I described 8 common mistakes clinicians make when trying to pivot to a new job.

Let’s revisit the answer to this question: What are the most common mistakes that will derail your job search?

Tunnel vision and not keeping an open mind
Being intimidated by a job description
Preparing a CV rather than a resume
Using the same cover letter and resume for different jobs or different industries
Depending too much on online applications and not leveraging networks
Not learning the jargon of the field we’re pursuing
Not taking the interview seriously
Not preparing sufficiently

BONUS Mistakes to AVOID:
#1 – Failure to prepare a COMPLETE LinkedIn Profile.
#2 – After the interview but before accepting the offer, not investigating the employer with other employees, customers, and physicians to determine if it will be a good fit for you.

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In this episode, John introduces his 12 Month Roadmap to a New Career. He originally developed the roadmap to apply to landing a job as a hospital Chief Medical Officer.

But the concepts apply to many other nonclinical jobs. In this first installment, John lists the four specific tactics that he recommends during the initial month of a job search, after first narrowing the search to 2 or 3 specific careers. By accomplishing these 4 tasks, the listener will be ready to proceed to the other phases of the career transition that follow.

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This week, Dr. Debra Blaine returns to the show to discuss her latest book. She has appeared on the show twice before (Episode 115 and Episode 231) and returns to announce the release of Beyond the Pillars of Salt and to explain how she published it.

Dr. Debra Blaine is a family physician who has been practicing for over 30 years. She began writing fiction in earnest several years ago and released her first book, Code Blue: The Other End of the Stethoscope, in 2019.

Her second book, Undue Influences, was released less than a year ago. Since then, not only did she write her latest novel, but she self-published it too.

Dr. Blaine explains why she loves to write novels, and how she managed to self-publish her third book so quickly after the release of her second book.

We also discover that Dr. Blaine is a certified coach who helps physicians with writing and publishing their own novels.

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In this week’s solo episode John explains the power found in Mastermind groups. He defines what a mastermind is. And he recounts the history of the development of the Mastermind in 1939 which is attributed to Napoleon Hill, who wrote Think and Grow Rich.

John tells of the Mastermind sessions he had as a chief medical officer (CMO) of a community-based hospital during which members of his team would take turns taking the “hot seat” in order to help overcome a challenge or solve a problem that they were facing.

John started hosting mastermind sessions with his podcast listeners and email subscribers three years ago. And he currently has two groups going which follow his 10-minute mastermind process.

Members of his masterminds have experienced great success in selecting, pursuing, and landing a nonclinical jobs.

There are several benefits to participating in a Mastermind:

a source of encouragement and support,
accountability,
networking opportunities, and
brainstorming

And they've been shown to help entrepreneurs and business leaders advance their careers and improve the performance of their organizations.

John believes that everybody should participate in a mastermind if they are looking to accelerate the progress of their success in any endeavor.

In Episode 267 he shares a link to a free worksheet that will help listeners develop their own mastermind group. And he invites listeners to join one of his if they do not wish to start one of their own.

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Dr. Cherisa Sandrow is a Board Certified Family Physician. She received her medical degree from Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine and practiced family medicine including obstetrics for 15 years.

Making the transition to telemedicine in 2015, she pivoted out of her busy office-based practice and created a thriving telemedicine practice, with the ability to prioritize her core values in life.

She decided to help other physicians with career transition, teaching them to use telemedicine as a temporary or permanent option to generate income while acquiring more flexibility and independence. She completed the Maxwell Leadership Certified Team Coaching, Speaking, Leadership, and Training Development Program, and now is a teacher and speaker with the John Maxwell Team.

Since our previous interview, Cherisa has expanded her coaching. It now includes a complete program with didactic sessions, and group and individual coaching designed to train clinicians to create creating a life of greatness and purpose, leveraging telemedicine as a tool to achieve these goals.

During our interview, Cherisa shares what she has learned about developing an effective telemedicine business. And she describes the components of her newly created course "From Here to There: Leveraging Virtual Medicine."

This course is comprehensive, with more than 10 outside speakers, covering topics from getting licensed and creating your business plan, to overcoming burnout and inventing your abundant life. It focuses on using telemedicine to make the move out of traditional practice, then deciding whether to move to a nonclinical career or remain in telehealth.

It includes group and individual coaching. And John Jurica will be presenting one of the lectures during the ten to twelve-week program.

You can find the course at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freedom. (This is an affiliate link).

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Dr. Laura Clapper is a seasoned C-suite executive with extensive experience applying digital health solutions, providing value-based care, and supporting provider-health plan joint ventures.

As a thought leader, she has focused on integrating analytics and disruptive technology into traditional systems, such as integrating digital health and remote monitoring into the brick-and-mortar care model of medical groups and hospitals.

In addition, she is recognized for her work with employers on employee health/benefit design, strategic planning, and the development of high-performing teams.

Dr. Clapper is committed to making healthcare more affordable, understandable, and a better experience for both consumers and employers.

She completed medical school at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences simultaneously with her Master’s in Public Policy from Claremont Graduate University.

In this interview Dr. Clapper will:

introduce you to opportunities in healthcare insurance and employer self-insured plans,
describe the preparation to find such positions, and
identify the high-demand nonclinical positions for physicians.

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Dr. Peter Angood has led American Association for Physician Leadership (AAPL) since 2011, having previously provided senior leadership for all sizes and types of healthcare organizations.

During his career, Angood was the first chief patient safety officer and a vice president for The Joint Commission, senior adviser for patient safety to the National Quality Forum and National Priorities Partnership, and the former chief medical officer with the Patient Safety Organization of GE Healthcare.

With his academic surgery practice experience ranging from the McGill University hospital system in Canada to the University of Pennsylvania, Yale University, and Washington University in St. Louis, Angood completed his formal academic career as a full professor of surgery, anesthesia, and emergency medicine.

A fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons, the American College of Surgeons, and the American College of Critical Care Medicine, Angood has been an author in more than 200 publications and is a former president of the Society of Critical Care Medicine.

We spend most of today's conversation learning about the extensive list of resources available to members of the AAPL. Peter also provides his advice regarding the utility of a business degree and compares that to obtaining the Certified Physician Executive (CPE) designation.

The AAPL's impressive set of resources can assist physicians interested in career transition into management and executive leadership roles.

You will find links to the AAPL and some of its resources and a transcript of the interview at nonclinicalphysicians.com/empower-physician-leaders/.

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Called a creativity guru, Robin Landa, Distinguished Professor in the Michael Graves College at Kean University, is the author of 25 nonfiction books published by esteemed publishers such as Simon & Schuster.

Berrett-Koehler will publish her new book, The New Art of Ideas: Unlock Your Creative Potential in November. Actor Holly Taylor (Manifest; The Americans) illustrated the book. In it, Robin offers a brand-new method for generating worthwhile ideas.

Robin has earned recognition for her design, writing, art, and teaching, including awards from the National Society of Arts and Letters, the National League of Pen Women, the New Jersey Author’s Award, Kean Presidential Excellence awards, and others.

Considered “one of the great teachers of our time” by the Carnegie Foundation, Robin has taught university students and industry professionals how to generate lots of worthwhile ideas.

During our interview, Robin explains why her process for developing creative ideas is useful and effective. And she walks us through the three major steps that will deliver an idea worth pursuing.

This approach can help physicians to develop new products and new business ideas for nonclinical pursuits.

Her book goes on sale in November of this year, but it is available on Amazon and from her website for preorder.

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Dr. Gretchen Green has been a diagnostic radiologist since 2006. She completed her medical degree at Brown University Medical School. She then completed a residency in diagnostic radiology at Yale University School of Medicine and a Women’s Imaging Fellowship at Harvard Medical School.

Gretchen began expert witness work in 2015 and has served as an expert witness in diagnostic radiology for hundreds of cases for both plaintiff and defense attorneys. This enabled her to transition to part-time clinical work in 2016 to create more time for her family and greater financial freedom. She now teaches an online course devoted to becoming an expert witness called

In today's interview, she updates us on wha's new in expert witness consulting work. She reminded us that as a board-certified physician with a few years of practice experience, we already meet the definition of "expert" as applied to this part-time consulting job.

And she shared 2 observations that make this side business such a compelling choice today:

the demand for expert witnesses is high because the pandemic caused delays and a backlog of cases, and
most of the work is done remotely, including depositions and testimony (which is rarely required).

Her newest course starts the week after the publication of this episode, and the enrollment period is right now through August 29, 2022, at midnight.

If you use my link - nonclinicalphysicians.com/ewcourse/ - you can register now AND receive a year of monthly Mastermind meetings ($800 value) to keep you accountable and brainstorm ideas to accelerate the growth of your business.

You will find that link (and others) and a transcript of the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/best-expert-witness/

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Today I want to revisit one of the most popular nonclinical jobs for physicians: Medical Science Liaison.

It has been quite a while since I presented a podcast on this topic.
So, I want to update you on this popular career option.

An MSL serves as an educational and feedback link between a pharmaceutical, biotechnology, or medical device company AND healthcare professionals.

This role is strictly educational and collaborative in nature. Marketing and selling by MSLs is not permitted.

MSLs leverage their scientific background to learn about their products and communicate with influencers and key opinion leaders (KOLs). They use organizational skills to connect with these stakeholders. They use communication skills to teach, advise, and inform.

Typically, an MSL meets with these KOLs, updates them on scientific studies, reports on their conversations to the employer, and attends both remote and in-person meetings. Depending n the size of the territory covered, travel requirements may be extensive.

This career is attractive because it does not require any special certification. It is open to physicians at all levels of training, with or without board certification. There are ample jobs and the number of positions is growing.

Once employed as an MSL, it is quite possible to make a lateral job change or advance into more senior positions.

Landing the first MSL job can be challenging. And travel away from home for multiple days can sometimes be required.

REMEMBER THAT THE FIRST JOB IS THE MOST DIFFICULT TO LAND.

That’s why one of the first courses I created in the Nonclinical Career Academy was the Medical Science Liaison Course. It provides much greater detail on the requirements and preparation for the job. And it will position you to apply for and land your first MSL job.

It normally sells for $397.

I invite you to take a look at it at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mslcourse/. As an incentive to sign up NOW, if you use the Coupon Code HALFOFF you will be able to jump in this week and be on your way to applying for an MSL job in a few weeks, at a much-reduced cost.

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Dr. Joe Sherman is a physician coach and retreat facilitator helping other physicians find more joy in their lives by escaping burnout and expanding possibilities.

Joe is passionate about helping healthcare professionals discover how they can best match “soul to role” as they deliver compassionate care to their patients and clients. He is a consultant and coach in the areas of provider well-being, leadership, professional fulfillment, cross-cultural medicine, spirituality, and medicine.

As a Master Certified Physician Development Coach, a trained facilitator with the Center for Courage & Renewal, and a Certified Organizational Affiliate in Gracious Spaces with the Center for Ethical Leadership, he believes that all helping professionals can thrive in their work rather than just survive.

Joe has been in medical practice for over 30 years concentrating on healthcare delivery to children in the District of Columbia, Tacoma, Seattle, Uganda, Bolivia, and other countries. Most recently, he was Health Services Director at Mary's Place shelter for families experiencing homelessness. He has held several academic appointments and is currently a Clinical Associate Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Washington.

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Claire Unis majored in creative writing and literature at Dartmouth College, where she wrote for and published a student newspaper. By senior year she had become a regular columnist in the daily school paper.

While in medical school at UCSF, she enrolled in the MFA (master in fine arts) program at the U. of San Francisco, where she focused on writing memoirs and narrative nonfiction. She completed both degrees simultaneously.

Now a practicing pediatrician, Claire is also a communication coach for clinicians in one of the largest medical groups in northern California. She teaches classes and mentors physicians as part of Sutter Medical Group's Clinician Wellbeing Program.

She writes a weekly blog about doctoring. In her role as Literature in Medicine Champion, she also leads monthly book groups, a biweekly writing group, and biweekly discussions.

And she has written a memoir about her experiences and feelings while becoming a physician. It would be a very nice resource for someone contemplating a medical career, as well as an enjoyable read. The book is called Balance, Pedal, Breathe: A Journey Through Medical School (this is an Amazon Affiliate Link).

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George Jerjian is the author of Dare to Discover Your Purpose: Retire, Refire, Rewire. Check it out at georgejerjian.com.

George retired after being given just six months to live. Thankfully, his diagnosis was wrong. His retirement though was “hellish”.

A former financial advisor, George is now on a mission to help retirees create a plan for their later years which is about more than money.

His book shows Baby Boomers that retirement doesn’t have to be a disappointment and gives them the tools, confidence, and a blueprint to make the most of later life.

George’s innovative program is based on his own experience and years of research. In it, he challenges people to DARE to rebel against conventional approaches to retirement and live the life they’ve always dreamed of.

A bonus for us is that his approach can also be used during your nonclinical career pivot, focusing on identifying your "ikigai."

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Shelly Bhowmik, MD, MPH, is the founder of Platform Wellness, a practice dedicated to helping people heal from burnout. Her practice is based on the belief that mindset is medicine, a belief she realized through her own journey that began at the edge of a subway platform.

Dr. Bhowmik is a double board-certified physician specializing in Preventive Medicine and Lifestyle Medicine. She earned her medical degree from the George Washington School of Medicine and Health Sciences and completed her residency at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Her previous roles include design thinking strategist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles and medical director of digital health for an executive health firm in New York City. As the founder of Platform Wellness, her mission is to help people, especially women of color, excel personally and professionally without sacrificing their health and well-being.

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Ron Barshop is a serial entrepreneur with several ventures serving primary care physicians. His podcast Primary Care Cures has been named on top healthcare podcast lists and presents thought leaders and CEOs of models that are fixing primary care and most of what’s broken in healthcare.

He has chaired two angel networks in Austin and San Antonio and several capital campaigns. He has completed 10 marathons and won national and local leadership awards. He authored his soon-to-be-released book Healthcare is Fixed, which explains how genius entrepreneurs and committed physicians have already solved the biggest problems in American healthcare.

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This week, I complete my presentation explaining how to capitalize on nonprofit board membership.

There are 5 domains that cover most of those skills.

Financial Management
Data Management
Business Management
Leadership
Talent Management

I described each of them in Episode #254.

In this episode, I explain how I used my volunteer experiences to obtain such skills beyond those developed during my medical training and clinical practice.

For each, I describe specific experiences you can acquire while volunteering for a nonprofit. These skills are developed by actively participating in the following:

Board of Directors
Board Committees
Non-board Committees

And in each case, the best new skills can be obtained by serving as chair of the board, or committee.

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This week we return to a leadership and management topic.

One challenge that must be faced when pursuing a nonclinical job, especially if it is a leadership or executive position, is demonstrating that you have the skills needed to be successful in that role.

So, we start with that end in mind.

Where do we get those skills, if they aren’t picked up in medical school or residency?

Several places
• Pre-medical school experiences
• Post-residency experiences
• By developing them doing clinical work – so-called transferable skills.

What are the 5 areas that I’m talking about today?

Financial Management Skills
Data Management Skills
Business Management Skills
Leadership Skills
Talent Management Skills

Volunteering on a nonprofit board can provide many of those experiences.

In Part 1 of this 2-part series, we begin by describing the 5 major domains of management skills that physicians often lack, with examples of each one.

Next week in Part 2, we will learn how to gain experience and learn those skills doing nonprofit board and committee work.

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Dr. Anjani Mahabashya completed her medical training in India, then emigrated to the U.S. After participating in several elective experiences, she entered the McLaren Flint Internal Medicine Residency Program in Flint, Michigan. She then began her career as a hospitalist.

Her career was suddenly interrupted as the result of a disabling injury in 2020. This jeopardized her long-term plans and she had to develop a radical new career trajectory. She obtained additional health care management training at the Yale School of Management and became certified by the American Board of Quality Assurance and Utilization Review Physicians (ABQAURP).

During our conversation, Anjani describes how she overcame the challenges she faced, why she likes working as a hospital-based utilization management physician advisor, and the one step that made all the difference in her successful transition.

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In this podcast, John offers a presentation he made to the MidCareer Neonatology Group of the Neonatal-Perinatal Medicine Section of the AAP.

As intensivists for newborns, they are as prone to burnout as any other hospital-based specialist.

During the presentation, we get back to basics by defining a few terms, dispelling some myths, and offering ideas for those beginning their nonclinical journey.

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This week, John presents a topic in his Effective Physician Leadership Series.

John learned a lot about working in a complex management environment as the chief medical officer for a 300-bed, stand-alone hospital.

When reviewing a topic such as this, sometimes it’s fun and instructive to look at it from the perspective of what NOT to do.

So, John describes the 4 Things the CMO Should Never Say to the CEO.

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Dr. Rachel Beanland completed her basic medical degree in the United Kingdom at the University of Bristol. A few years later, she completed additional Public Health training at the University of Sheffield.

She worked for the NHS until 2014. Then she began her freelance work as an independent public health specialist. In 2019 she founded Resilience Yoga.

In her Yoga practice, she helps women in medicine understand their needs and prioritize their health using evidence-based approaches, enabling them to make conscious decisions and live a life they love.

Resilience Yoga creates personalized classes for clients to build their own yoga stories and live more mindfully.

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Dr. Carl Peters graduated from the University of Missouri-Columbia Medical School. Then he completed his Family Medicine Residency Program at the University of California, Davis. He is board-certified in Family Medicine and Urgent Care Medicine.

A Family and Urgent Care physician with 25 years of experience and over 10,000 telemedicine visits, Carl is now offering his expertise in a variety of ways.

He previously provided direction and expertise as medical director for a network of 12 new urgent care centers opened over just 16 months. He is now the Director of Patient Operations/Lead Physician for Bow Tie Medical. And he continues to provide consulting services and occasional telemedicine visits.

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In 2014, Dr. Abeyna Bubbers-Jones was an NHS Urology Specialist Trainee working in Blackburn (in northern England). Having graduated from medicine at the age of 22 at Nottingham, she worked for several years as a surgical trainee in the NHS. But she was yearning for something more.

She moved to South Africa and worked as a trauma surgeon for nearly 2 years, revitalizing her love of medicine and realizing that a new challenge had helped her to gain the real satisfaction she needed to develop as a professional and individual.

She returned to the UK where she noticed that many doctors were experiencing similar issues she had faced. They were stressed and burned out, feeling doubtful about their careers with low self-worth, and considering leaving the profession.

That led Abeyna to create Medic Footprints with her school friend Sara Sabin. It was designed as a community and network for doctors exploring alternative careers and support.

Medic Footprints now helps doctors around the world overcome burnout and learn how to apply their passion and expertise in new ways.

In this week's interview, Dr. Bubbers-Jones tells her story and describes the satisfaction she experiences helping her colleagues.

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Lynn Marie is a Mayo Clinic-trained physician, attorney, and former adjunct law professor. Dr. Morski spent nine years as a physician at the Veterans Administration.

She is the President of the Psychedelic Medicine Association, the founder of PlantMedicine.org, host of the Psychedelic Medicine Podcast, and medical director for WayofLeaf.com and Nue.Life.

The Psychedelic Medicine Association is a society of physicians, therapists, and health care professionals looking to advance their education on the therapeutic uses of psychedelic medicines. The PMA is a public benefit corporation of healthcare providers aimed at bridging the gap between the advances taking place in the psychedelic research world and medical practitioners.

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Dr. Chelsea Turgeon completed her medical education at the University of Alabama School of Medicine. During year two of her OB/GYN residency, she realized clinical medicine was not a sustainable career choice.

She resigned from residency, bought a one-way ticket to South Korea, and never looked back.

Now, she has built a successful online coaching business helping healthcare professionals recover from burnout and forge their own path to career fulfillment.

And in 2021, she published her book, Residency Drop Out: How I Quit My Medical Career to Travel the World and Work Remotely.

She’s doing work she loves, helping clients she adores, and traveling the world full time.

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In this episode, John walks through the specifics of four unique nonclinical jobs that he has encountered during the past few years. For those who aren't looking for a traditional nonclinical career (in hospital management, pharma, medical writing, consulting, etc.) this is for you.

You'll find all of these unique jobs and something to consider. Each of them also has a specific training program available that will teach you how to prepare for and land your first job in the field.

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Dr. Andrew Wilner is a board-certified internist, neurologist, and epilepsy specialist. He is also a lifelong writer and has written many books and articles, covering both clinical and nonclinical subject matter.

He found early in his professional career that locum tenens were the perfect solution to achieve work-life balance as a physician and writer. Having worked in a variety of locum positions, he published his book, The Locum Life: A Physician’s Guide to Locum Tenens, in 2019.

He continues to write and produces a biweekly podcast called The Art of Medicine. It can be found on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and other podcast apps.

He recorded and released the audiobook version of The Locum Life about a year ago. It is available in bookstores and on Audible.

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Dr. Simon Maltais is an active cardiac surgeon in one of the world’s largest healthcare services institutions. He is an internationally recognized leader in the field of heart failure and alternative cardiac interventions.

He is also a keynote speaker, has published more than 160 articles, and contributed to numerous books.

As a board-certified surgeon from Canada, he has worked in two different countries and health systems. And he provides a unique perspective on the delivery of care and its inherent challenges for healthcare workers, particularly in these challenging times.

He is also the author of the book Healthcare Anonymous: Put Yourself First to Avoid Anxiety, Addiction and Burnout. In the book, Dr. Maltais offers a map for healthcare workers to understand their challenges and start a process of healing and recovery.

You can learn more about him, and purchase his book at HealthcareAnonymous.com. You will find that link and a transcript of our interview, at nonclinicalphysicians.com/put-yourself-first/

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Dr. Laura McKain is a board-certified physician with more than ten years of pharmaceutical industry experience in clinical development, and pharmacovigilance.

She received her medical degree from Georgetown University in Washington, DC, and completed her training in obstetrics and gynecology at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia.

In 2008 she transitioned her career to the pharmaceutical industry where she is involved in clinical development projects encompassing a broad range of therapeutic areas. She also provided medical leadership to a high-profile Women's Health clinical development program at Myovant Sciences.

She is the founder of the 19,000-member Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook Group. And she has been coaching physicians and helping them optimize their resumés for years.

She recently started the Pharma Industry Special Interest Group (PISIG). It is an active learning community that meets as a group twice a month. Members of PISIG actively participate to:

• Learn about the different pharma/biotech roles that are available to physicians
• Get expert advice and coaching on how to conduct an efficient and effective job search.
• Acquire knowledge about the process of drug development, regulatory knowledge, and other foundational information about the industry to optimize your understanding of industry work.
• Build skills that will make you stand out as a pharma/biotech candidate.

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Kathryn Kraemer Troutman, also known as the Federal Resumé Guru, is the founder and president of The Resume Place, Inc., a service business located in Baltimore, MD, specializing in writing and designing professional federal and private-sector resumes, as well as coaching and education in the federal hiring process.

For the past 30 years, Troutman has managed her Professional Writing and Consulting Practice, Publishing, and Federal Career Training business. With her team of 20 Certified Federal Resume Writers, The Resume Place advises and writes more than 300 federal resumes per month for military, private industry, and federal clients worldwide.

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Dr. Lev Grinman is board certified in neurology and sleep medicine and works clinically as a neurophysiologist. Daniel Cousin is a board-certified radiologist, fellowship-trained, and certified in PET-CT and nuclear imaging. They co-founded Doctors for Providers, a company that matches collaborating physicians with nurse practitioners and physician assistants. The business is growing and looking for more physicians who are interested in earning extra income by providing this low-intensity, low-risk form of medical consultation.

The company also places remote medical directors in a variety of other roles beyond collaboration with midlevel providers.

You can learn more about Doctors for Providers at doctorsforproviders.com.

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During the COVID-19 pandemic, Dr. Chester Zoda was working 80-100 hour work weeks and feeling burned out and overworked.

He decided to spend 2-3 hours on weekends starting an online course business. He started by teaching digital marketing using Facebook advertising. His first course made $5,000 in the first month.

Dr. Zoda’s colleagues noticed how fast he was growing and wanted his help to do the same. So, he decided to teach his methods to a small group of physicians.

He simplified his system to 4 weeks in length. To eliminate tech costs and headaches, he spent $35,349 engineering a proven sales process (Infinity Funnel™) and upgraded web designs.

In late 2020, Dr. Zoda decided to leave his clinical practice to create solutions dedicated to equipping healthcare professionals, entrepreneurs, and leaders with the skillsets needed to build their own businesses.

In this week's interview, Chester describes his 4-step process for selling online courses.

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Dr. Paul Hercock is an author, entrepreneur, and educator. He started personably serving medical device companies years ago.

The recent adoption of the MDR Regulations in the European Union led to the need for more physicians in a variety of roles to help medical device companies comply with them.

Paul wrote a book and was featured here on the podcast about 15 months ago. He’s here to update us on his business. And he answers questions about the new training program he developed to help physicians find jobs in the medical device industry.

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Dr. Nneka Unachukwu, known across the U.S. as Dr. Una, is a pediatrician and entrepreneur. She is also the host of two podcasts and the EntreMD Business School, a year-long program designed to make up for the business education you didn’t receive during your medical training.

Whether you are employed or own your practice or a nonclinical business, this school will give you the tools you need to help you serve and earn at the highest level.

Today she tells us about her online coaching and her new book, The EntreMD Method: A Proven Roadmap for Doctors Who Want to Live Life and Practice Medicine on Their Own Terms, being released today.

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Best Friends Again is a Physician Marriage Coaching company. Its specialty is helping physicians and healthcare professionals reignite their marriage through a customized approach based on their unique needs.

Their battle-tested physician marriage, generational physician family heritage, and expertise from coaching hundreds of marriages "off the ledge" have paved the way for their program: 90 Days to Clarity and Connection>.

It's a blueprint for guiding healers in healing their own relationships, saving their families, and enjoying their careers.

Their Gift To You

Go to Dr. Jeep and Vanessa's website to learn more at www.BestFriendsAgain.com. Scroll down to receive a FREE copy of a chapter from Dr. Jeep's book What’s Forever For? A Physician’s Guide for Everlasting Love and Success in Marriage.

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Dr. Nwando Anyaoku is Vice President and the inaugural Chief Health Equity Officer for a large health system in the Seattle area. She has been there since 2016 leading the pediatrics and Medicaid strategy.

Prior to that, she served as the physician lead for health equity and community partnerships, which led to her current position.

She is a board-certified pediatrician and professor of pediatrics. Prior to her arrival at her current system, Dr. Anyaoku served as the Division Chief of General Pediatrics at the Children’s Hospital of New Jersey, then as the Medical Director of Pediatrics for CHI Alegent Creighton health system in Omaha, Nebraska.

Dr. Anyaoku received her medical degree from the University of Nigeria. She completed residency training in pediatrics and served as chief resident at the Children’s Hospital of New Jersey.

She holds an MPH from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and an MBA from the University of Washington Foster School of Business.

Today we will learn about improving health equity and about finding work in the hospital C-suite.

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Dr. Nkeiruka Duze earned her medical degree from the Indiana University School of Medicine. She then completed her internal medicine residency at Virginia Mason Medical Center in Seattle. She is a board-certified Internal Medicine physician practicing in the outpatient setting.

Burnout and a desire for work-life balance led to her curiosity about nonclinical opportunities for physicians. Given her interest in medical coding, she worked to increase her knowledge in this area earning Certified Professional Coder (CPC) and Certified Risk Adjustment Coder (CRC) certifications from the American Academy of Professional Coders (AAPC).

Dr. Duze now splits her time equally between clinical and non-clinical work. What’s really interesting to me, is that she converted from a traditional outpatient clinical practice to a concierge practice as part of her transition.

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Dr. Jen Barna earned her medical degree and completed her Diagnostic Radiology residency at the University of Tennessee School of Medicine. She also holds a master’s degree in Molecular and Cellular Biology from Washington University in St. Louis. She is a board-certified practicing radiologist and founder and CEO of DocWorking.

DocWorking is a company that helps physicians maximize meaning and purpose in life, both in and out of work. It does so by providing expert coaching, a peer support community, courses, and other resources through its subscription called DocWorking THRIVE.

DocWorking also assists organizations to support their physicians, advanced practitioners, and healthcare teams via DocWorking Solutions, which improves recruitment and retention, and, as a result, patient care.

Finally, Dr. Barna is also the co-host of DocWorking: The Whole Physician Podcast, now ranked on multiple lists as a top physician podcast.

It can be found by searching for DocWorking: The Whole Physician Podcast. The title hints at the nature of the topics discussed on it.

You can learn more about Dr. Barna and DocWorking at docworking.com.

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Heather Fork, MD is an ICF master certified coach who helps physicians find their best career path forward, whether in medicine, a nonclinical career, or something else.

In 2010 she founded the Doctor’s Crossing and since that time has worked with hundreds of physicians to find greater career fulfillment and meaning in their work.

She hosts the weekly Doctor’s Crossing Carpe Diem Podcast and is passionate about creating resources to make it easier for physicians to navigate their careers.

Today she is here to discuss an important tool that every physician should master to advance their careers more effectively.

I’ve used LinkedIn for years, but I’ve learned even more by recently working through her new course, LinkedIn for Physicians. And I’m still working on it.

You can learn more about Heather Fork and her work at doctorscrossing.com.

If you haven’t already, check out her new LinkedIn for Physicians course at nonclinicalphysicians.com/linkedincourse

Using that affiliate link also gets you free access to my 6-course bundle of lectures called Introduction to the World of Nonclinical Careers. – a $190 value.

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Dr. Debra E. Blaine was born in New York City and grew up on Long Island, New York. She attended Baylor College of Medicine to earn her MD. She returned to New York for post-graduate training and has practiced Family and Urgent Care Medicine on Long Island and Queens for over thirty years.

She discovered that she loves writing thrillers – even more than practicing medicine. Her first novel, CODE BLUE: The Other End of the Stethoscope, was released in 2019.

Debra is also a Certified Professional Coach, Master Trainer, and Certified Group Leader. So, she works with clients who are struggling to navigate the corporate world or those who themselves wish to write and publish. And she continues to write herself.

During our conversation, she described the options for publishing a book. She explained that the three major approaches are self-publishing, traditional publishing, and hybrid publishing.

You can find links in the show notes for this episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/medical-mystery-author/.

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Today we meet a hospitalist who transitioned to work as a remote physician advisor.

Dr. Robert Craven completed his medical degree at The University of Tennessee Health Science Center and his Internal Medicine Residency at Carolinas Healthcare System.

He worked as a hospitalist for nine years. He was offered a position as a physician advisor for utilization management unexpectedly at a previous employer. He took the job and has completed a year of full-time work in that position for a large hospital system, mostly working remotely.

Today he tells us what his job entails, why he likes what he is doing, and how you can land a similar position.

Rob explained the details of his job as a physician advisor. It is somewhat unique in that he is working remotely for a large system, with occasional opportunities to go on-site if needed.

The job is more flexible than a full-time hospitalist position, and it allows him to spend more time with his family. It is intellectually stimulating. And it provides value to his employer, its physicians, and patients.

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Dr. Ronnie Shalev completed her medical degree at Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center and her Emergency Medicine Residency at Drexel University College of Medicine.

She is a board-certified Emergency Medicine doctor whose high-pressure job sucked the life out of her, leaving her weary, burned out, and unable to enjoy her family and day-to-day life. Because she was paid well, she felt bound by the “golden handcuffs,” and saw no end in sight.

You can learn about real estate investing with syndications through a free online presentation by Ronnie and her team at invest.shalwinproperties.com.

And you can find links in the show notes for this episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/use-real-estate-investing/

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Dr. Barbara Loeb, is an author, speaker, mentor, facilitator, and physician leader. She is committed to promoting well-being, especially for people working within healthcare.

She believes that individuals devoted to caring for others often fail to take care of themselves. Her work is focused on inspiring caregivers to do just that.

Dr. Loeb started her 40-year career in health care as a primary care physician growing an internal medicine group practice that provided care to thousands of patients and multiple generations of families.

After transitioning her practice to become part of Advocate Aurora Health, she moved into a number of chief medical officer roles for other health systems, hospitals, physician networks, and health plans.

She also served as an independent consultant for the Studer Group, sharing her expertise on improving physician communication and leadership skills.

In her first book “How to Save a Life: Healing Power of Poetry”, Dr. Loeb utilizes the principles of presence, reflection, self-awareness, and self-compassion to create poetry that brings us along on her personal healer’s journey.

She inspires the reader to reflect on their own individual path to well-being through self-expression, creativity, and discovery of inner wisdom.

To cultivate her own well-being, she developed her own restorative ritual. It combines mindfulness, writing, and building deeper connections with her patients and colleagues. She intensified this practice during the challenges of the pandemic.

Dr. Loeb shares this knowledge and facilitates learning with colleagues through speaking, writing, and mentoring. Her focus is on building mindfulness and promoting the humanities in healthcare.

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Dr. Armin Feldman is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin Medical School. He completed his training in psychiatry at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. He practiced psychiatry and psychoanalysis for over 20 years, and he owned a network of out-patient head injury rehabilitation clinics around the country.

He will tell us how he began doing a unique kind of medical legal consulting during that time. And since selling his clinic network about 14 years ago, he has devoted himself to providing those services full time,

Over the past 12 years, he has trained over 1600 other physicians how to do the same thing, through his Medical/Legal Consulting Coaching Program.

Dr. Feldman’s consulting is pre-litigation and pre-trial in nature. He helps attorneys manage the medical aspects of cases, increasing case value and saving attorney time. He helps attorneys negotiate and settle cases and get the appropriate medical care for their clients. And he does not participate in medical malpractice cases and does no expert witness work.

If you want to learn more, you can check out the home page for his coaching services and watch a short video at mdbizcon.com

And if you’d like to sign up for his biweekly email, just send him a note requesting it at armin@golegaldoc.com

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Today podcasters May and Tim Hindmarsh describe their clinical work, forays into nonclinical, and what they have learned as podcast interviewers.

They have worked primarily in clinical positions. Dr. Tim Hindmarsh has tried several nonclinical jobs, but now seems to have found an enjoyable and fulfilling career in urgent care. Dr. May Hindmarsh has been exploring nonclinical options more aggressively.

They are both board-certified family physicians. They have both worked in employed family practice, inpatient care and urgent care, and other settings. They have a thriving marriage and have been involved with marriage counseling and medical missions. Originally from Canada, they live in the rural Pacific Northwest.

And they both host the BS Free MD Podcast, so we get into that quite a bit.

May opened up about some of her struggles. And Tim provided great insights and advice for finding clinical work that’s fulfilling and fun.

This episode is a bit longer than my usual, but I think you will thoroughly enjoy it.

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Learn how to use Guidestar to prepare for your nonclinical job search.

You may have noticed that we are presenting episodes that provide advice about very specific tactics to be used in the career transition process.

Not all transitions use the tactics we're teaching. But these tactics are foundational enough to help the majority of you to accelerate your job search if they are implemented.

Today, we describe how to use an often-overlooked tool to help you in three different but important ways:

To identify sources for free management and leadership experience which will provide you with tangible skills and look good on your resume.
To find salary levels for physicians doing what you’re planning to do.
To do research on your potential new employer in order to help you decide whether to pursue its job AND educate you about the organization prior to your interviews.

This resource, GuideStar, can be found at guidestar.org.

Guidestar is the organization that reports data submitted to the IRS for all nonprofit corporations in the U.S.

We can use Guidestar to access the 990 reports submitted by each of them, along with the basic demographic details that help us determine their size and location.

Listen to the episode to hear exactly how I use this free resource.

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Today we discuss a popular hospital-based job that can also serve as a stepping stone to the C-suite.

It is the position of CDI medical director. CDI is the acronym for clinical documentation improvement, or more commonly today, clinical documentation integrity.

I have interviewed two CDI specialists in the past. One worked primarily as an independent CDI consultant, and the other worked as a physician advisor for a large consulting firm.

Here are the questions answered in today's presentation:

What is CDI?
What does a CDI physician advisor or medical director do?
Where do I get training and experience for this job?
How do I prepare to apply for my first CDI job?
What is the typical salary?
What are the long-term options for those working in CDI?

A hospital CDI job is excellent in its own right. But it is also a good way to position yourself for a revenue cycle job at a healthcare consulting company, or a more lucrative leadership position in hospital management.

The lifestyle and pay are good. Home-based or on-site work are available. And opportunities for advancement are excellent.

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Your first job interview is a critical part of your nontraditional job search. You’ve narrowed your choice to a single job. You’ve convinced someone that you’re qualified. And now you’ve landed an interview.

There may be an initial phone interview. Then you may be invited to one-on-one or group interviews. Some of today's tips apply primarily to face-to-face interviews, but most also apply to telephone and video sessions.

It is important to prepare sufficiently for the interview. This preparation includes:

Adopting the right attitude
Understanding the organization and the job
Knowing that performing well may take practice (i.e., attending several interviews)

We could spend several hours discussing this topic. But today we'll start with 8 tips for you to consider.

Bring a copy of your resume to every interview
Dress properly and present the right body language
Do your research
Be prepared to clarify your "selling points"
Line up your questions for the interviewers.
Start with a positive statement and stay positive/never complain
Be assertive but not pushy
Close with CLARITY

You can learn the specific details of each tip by listening to today's interview. There will also be a transcript in the show notes.

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On today’s show, I have the pleasure of introducing Dr. Cherisa Sandrow. She is a board-certified family physician who completed her medical degree at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. She worked for nine years practicing family medicine, with an emphasis on obstetrics.

After practicing medicine as an employee, Dr. Sandrow pivoted out of her busy office-based practice and developed a thriving telemedicine service. Doing so allowed her to earn just as much, but with a better lifestyle.

And she had no idea when she started that it would prepare her for the COVID-19 Pandemic. In addition to practicing, she now shares her knowledge with other physicians who want to enjoy the same work-life balance and freedom that she does.

Cherisa cleared up many misconceptions I had about telemedicine. And I hoped it piqued your interest to learn more about it.

If you’re burned out, or simply tired of corporate-style assembly line practice, you have a great option to consider in telemedicine.

As mentioned during the interview, Dr. Sandrow is offering her expertise to others through two upcoming group coaching and discovery calls. These calls will provide more valuable instruction in telemedicine and give you a chance to follow up with her live training program if you like.

If you’re interested in learning from a telemedicine expert who makes more doing telemedicine than she did as a full-time family physician, she has 2 sessions coming up very soon. They will be on November 28th and December 17th (2021).

To register for the limited number of spots, you must send an email directly to her at DRCSANDROW@SANDROWCONSULTING.COM.

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Today’s topic is one I’ve been dying to talk about for a long time. It has to do with professional associations and societies and their place in physician career transition.

Today for the podcast I am going to introduce you to important professional societies and associations. I will be visiting each society’s site online today so that I can provide you with a little bit of specific information on each one.

Professional societies can often be an integral piece of the career success puzzle. Whether it's landing your first job, or advancing your career, these organizations provide extremely helpful resources. These resources generally include the following:

education,
certification,
publications,
networking opportunities,
and job listings.

The organizations discussed today include:

American College of Physician Advisors
Health Information Management Systems Society
American Association for Physician Leadership
The MSL Society
Association of Clinical Research Professionals
American Medical Writers Association

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Dr. Andrew Tisser specializes in emergency medicine and is the host of the Talk2MeDoc Podcast. The podcast and Dr. Tisser's work as a career strategist focus on the unique issues pertaining to the early career physician.

Andrew earned his medical degree at the New York Institute of Technology College of Osteopathic Medicine. He then completed his residency at Upstate Medical University in Syracuse, NY. He is currently the Associate Chair of Emergency Medicine at Sisters of Charity Hospital in Buffalo, New York.

Andrew has been featured on NBC, NPR, and MTV News as well as multiple podcasts. He was most recently named one of the "50 Best Doctors to Follow on Instagram in 2021" and "Top 21 Medical Podcasts."

Andrew’s approach to his career and to helping others with theirs is direct and practical.

We had a great time talking about several topics:

His experiences with burnout during med school, residency, and early practice years;
What he did to overcome burnout;
The part-time nonclinical jobs he tried;
How he now balances clinical and nonclinical work;
His podcast and how it can help early-career physicians learn about strategies to advance their careers and overcome burnout;
And three common limiting beliefs that hold us back and how to address them.

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Today I thought I would discuss another topic related to the pursuit of a hospital management job.

I read an article on KevinMD by Patty Fahy, MD recently that talked about BSM (Business School Mindset).

The author gave examples of the BSM mindset:

"...graduates are assured that an MBA degree has prepared them to manage in any industry: a tattoo parlor, a government entity, or a hospital system.

"Managers are an elite caste, separate from those who are managed, monitored, and controlled.

"Efficiencies gained by controlling the behavior of professionals and other workers garner financial rewards...

"The principle that... an action is rational only if it maximizes self-interest..."

I don't know that all hospitals are managed in this way all of the time. But, when I was Chief Medical Officer, there were definitely times when I could feel the BSM "vibe" coming through... even though I worked at a non-profit hospital.

Which leads me to believe that Business School Mindset leads to a different kind of BSM...

Bullst Medicine.

(You know, the approach that doesn’t recognize the physician-patient relationship, or that puts quality, safety, and dignity after the bottom line.)

So, please consider a career in hospital management, because it's intellectually stimulating, pays well, and is the only way we’re going to steer this industry in a new direction.

During the rest of this episode, I describe factors to consider when thinking of becoming a Certified Physician Executive.

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Today I discuss my work as chief medical officer. I spent 14 years as a senior hospital executive. There was a lot to like about that job. More than I can cover in one podcast episode.

I presented the positive aspects of a hospital management career in Podcast Episode #20.

But today, I’ll focus on some of the specific projects I worked on and the directors who I worked with. I think it will give you a better idea of what a CMO does. I hope it will inspire you to consider a hospital management career.

For those NOT considering such a career, you should listen anyway, because what I’ll describe applies to a senior leadership position in almost any industry – even in your own business.

I will start by listing the six assignments I want to describe today.

Notice that I call them assignments because they represent a combination of the work with a specific department and its director, PLUS one or more of specific projects that we worked on together.

For 2 of the 6, there was no distinct director to mention, for reasons I will explain when I get to those assignments.

Here is the list of the 6 assignments…

Leading the CME program, supporting the residency program start-up, and working with Lisa Zipsie, Director of Physicians Services.
Selecting and implementing the first Quality Management Program, achieving Top 100 Hospital Status, and working with Mary Schore, QI Director.
Implementing the hospital’s first Lean Process Improvement Initiative and working with Stephanie Mitchell, Director of the Laboratory.
Overseeing the implementation of physician order entry and the medication safety program and working with Jim Shafer, Pharmacy Director.
Establishing the first hospitalist service.
Recruiting physicians, purchasing local physician practices, and leading the medical group during its growth to the dominant multispecialty group in the county.

For the details of each assignment, you must listen to the episode or read the transcript included in the show notes.

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Dr. Chase DiMarco holds an MS and an MBA, and is an MD/Ph.D-candidate. He is the Founder of MedEd University and the CEO of FindARotation, a clinical rotations platform.

He hosts the Medical Mnemonist Podcast and Rounds to Residency Podcast and is co-author of Read This Before Medical School, published in 2019.

Chase is a consummate entrepreneur, author, teacher, and businessman. If you enjoy teaching medical students and want to earn extra income doing it, there is a big need for preceptors.

However, the process for medical students to find and arrange a clinical rotation can be difficult and expensive. Chase created FindARotation to solve that problem. It enables preceptors to link up with medical students searching for clinical rotations they need in order to complete their medical education at a lower cost than current platforms.

To try it out, go to FindARotation.com. Click on the Register for Free Button and sign up by clicking on the Preceptor Link in the right column of the Sign-up window. Chase will do the rest.

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This is Part 2 of my discussion of coaches and how to hire one. I receive frequent questions about this topic from listeners. Their questions generally involve one or more of these themes:

Should I use a coach?
Where do I find a coach?
Are coaches expensive?
Do you recommend certain coaches?

I'm aware of three directories of physician coaches:

Happy MD lists five coaches affiliated with Dr. Dike Drummond
The Physician Coaching Alliance currently lists 43 coaches, including the CEO, Dr. Errin Weisman
Finally, Physician Coaches, hosted by Dr. Mike Woo-Ming, provides a directory of 170 coaches for physicians. Thirty-eight are designated as career coaches. Many of the Life Coaches also include career coaching in what they do.

My advice for finding a suitable coach:

First learn about burnout, career transition, and nontraditional careers through free websites, blogs, Facebook groups, podcasts like this one, articles, and books. Some of the coaches I mentioned have podcasts. Most post articles on their websites.
Network with colleagues who have transitioned and ask them if they used a coach and whether it was a worthwhile investment. I’ve asked physicians this question many times. And to a person, they found the process to be useful and effective. Then check out the directories I already mentioned.
Narrow down your choice to 3 or 4, check out their websites, read their bios on LinkedIn, access their websites, and join their email lists to get to know them. Then set up an interview (discovery call, free consultation) and spend at least 15 minutes getting to know them. Tell them each that you are interviewing others to find one who is a good fit for both of you.
Select one of them and get started. If it seems you are not making progress or connecting well after several sessions, then explain to them that you wish to move on.

Putting this episode together made me think a lot more about providing career consulting services myself. I have really enjoyed the Nonclinical Mastermind Sessions I have been doing, which is a form of group coaching, in my opinion. And I definitely encourage you to try that if it appeals to you.

So, I decided to take the plunge and set aside some time for Nonclinical Career Consulting. And if you want to work with me, you can learn more about it at nonclinicalcareeracademy.com.

There you will find a description of the three levels of Career Consulting Services I provide. You can read the descriptions and set up a short call for us to discuss your needs.

You can find the show notes for today’s episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/find-a-physician-career-coach

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This is Part 1 of my discussion of coaches and how to hire one. I receive frequent questions about this topic from listeners. Their questions generally involve one or more of these themes:

Should I use a coach?
Where do I find a coach?
What does coaching cost?
Do you recommend certain coaches?

I have spoken on the podcast in the past about what coaching is, and how it differs from mentorship, online courses, and other career resources. I have interviewed approximately 40 coaches, although not all of them are career coaches.

Here are the names of my podcast guest physicians who provide career coaching:

Michelle Mudge-Riley
Heather Fork
Maiysha Clairborne
Laura McKain
Dike Drummond
Starla Fitch
Marjorie Stiegler
Jarrod Patten
Mike Woo-Ming
Dianne Ansari-Winn
Michelle Bailey
Errin Weisman
Andrew Tisser
Francis Yoo (soul coach)
Jonathan Vitale (home-based careers)
Jattu Senesie
Yvonne Ator
Ryan Bayley
Randall (Randy) Cook
Nerissa Kreher (pharma)
Stephanie Freeman (locums)
Mario Mendoza (biotech careers coach)
Nona Korsah
Charmaine Gregory

Here are the two nonphysician career coaches I've interviewed:

Charlotte Weeks
Marsha Caton

In Part Two, I discuss three directories of physician coaches and my advice for finding a suitable coach or consultant.

Putting these episodes together made me think a lot more about providing career consulting services myself. I have enjoyed the Nonclinical Mastermind Sessions I have been doing, which is a form of group coaching, in my opinion. And I definitely encourage you to try that if it appeals to you.

So, I decided to take the plunge and set aside some time for Nonclinical Career Consulting. And if you want to work with me, you can learn more about it at nonclinicalcareeracademy.com.

There you will find a description of the three levels of Career Consulting Services I provide. You can read the descriptions and set up a short call for us to discuss your needs.

You can find the show notes for today’s episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/physician-career-coach

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Dr. Laura McKain is a board-certified physician with more than ten years of pharmaceutical industry experience. She has experience with clinical-regulatory strategy, study design, protocol writing, Phase 2-4 clinical trials, medical monitoring, safety surveillance, data analysis, and report writing.

She received her medical degree from Georgetown University in Washington, DC, and completed her training in obstetrics and gynecology at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. She was in private practice for over twelve years where her clinical interests included well-women care, contraception, HPV, menopause management, as well as general and high-risk obstetrics.

In 2008 she transitioned her career to the pharmaceutical industry where she was involved in clinical development projects encompassing a broad range of therapeutic areas. She was involved in bringing two new therapeutics to market.

She retired from full-time work, recently. She is now focused on helping other physicians to find new nonclinical careers. She does that in several ways. She is a career coach and resumé expert at mckainconsulting.com.

And she is the founder of the Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook Group. Many of you are one of its 17,000 members. It is the premier group where physicians can connect with other physicians, share advice, find job openings, and obtain valuable advice and mentorship about nonclinical careers.

Today Dr. McKain describes strategies for finding a pharma job in the area of Clinical Development.

To access the show notes and the links for this episode, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/clinical-development-job.

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What can you expect, and how should you prepare, when leaving your current position?

Most of you will be in the following situation:

Working for a medical group or healthcare system.
You find clinical medicine to be frustrating and unrewarding for a variety of reasons, including:
- lack of respect,
- understaffing,
- poorly designed or slow EMRs,
- long hours,
- churning of patients to maintain worked RVUs,
- entitled, angry patients,
- endless paperwork,
- lack of control over your hours, staffing, vacations, etc.
You’ve checked out emotionally and you realize that something must change.

You may envision the following scenario:

You're going to find something else to do, either clinical or nonclinical, or both,
Once that’s locked in, or you have a really good plan, you will give your separation notice to your employer,
You will leave in a few weeks to a few months from now, and that will be that! Problem solved.

Unfortunately, that is not how it usually goes. If not fully prepared, what follows are a series of unexpected financial, legal, and/or psychosocial consequences that can slow or complicate your departure.

Financial Issues

Any pivot will have financial consequences. If there is a gap between jobs, you’ll need a nest egg to get you through the time when income temporarily stops. This is ameliorated if you have passive income from other sources or a spouse’s income can cover expenses while you’re in the process of transitioning.

Legal Issues

This leads us right into the legal ramifications. An employment contract is typically a long and complicated document, with many provisions that are forgotten until separation is imminent. And some of them will prevent, postpone or complicate your departure.

Psychosocial Issues

You may observe a common behavioral pattern in colleagues and employers when leaving.

That pattern is Kubler-Ross’s 5 Stages of Death and Dying. You may go through the stages of denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance once you come to the realization that you can no longer tolerate working in the current healthcare environment. But you may not be prepared for those very same steps occurring in your colleagues and employer. The denial and anger of those around you can be particularly disconcerting.

You may intend to be completely professional and deliberate as you wrap things up. But prepare yourself for others to be oppositional, upset, angry, or in denial. This may manifest as passive-aggressive or overtly hostile behavior.

Your managers may avoid you, even though there are issues to take care of. They may try to involve you in matters that are no longer of your concern. And they may attempt to burden you with more than your share of on-call duties.

Oftentimes, you’re leaving an employer because it is dysfunctional. It may not be run like a business: no regular meetings, problems are ignored, strategic planning is nonexistent. It is naïve to think that a business that is dysfunctional is going to respond to your departure in a functional way.

Listen to the complete episode to learn how to prepare for these challenges. Remain calm, deal with the chaos logically, follow the advice of your accountant and attorney, and move on.

To access the show notes and the links for this episode, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/get-ready.

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Dr. Maiysha Clairborne was a guest of the podcast on Episodes 40 and 151. She has returned to the PNC Podcast because she is an amazing coach. She has worked with hundreds of physicians to improve their careers and their lives. And she has a new program that I want to learn more about and share with you.

As a quick reminder, Maiysha is a Board Certified Family Physician, Integrative Medicine Practitioner, Master NLP and Hypnotherapist Trainer, Successful Entrepreneur and Author of The Wellness Blueprint and Eat Your Disease Away.

She is a fellow podcaster. Her show Next Level Physicians: Think Outside the Box, can still be found on any podcast app. But her recent focus has been on a new show called The Black Mind Garden in which Maiysha engages in conversations about the unconscious patterns that influence thoughts, emotions, and actions, and how to shift the narratives to improve our lives.

Along the way, she has brought together all of her training and experience and created the Mind Remapping Academy. And in today’s interview, she explains what NLP and mind remapping are, how we can transform negative thinking, and how to use language to empower ourselves and positively influence others.

I recommend you, relisten to this episode in order to fully understand the concepts Maiysha described to us. They are very powerful.

And if you are interested in learning more about mind remapping, you should definitely subscribe to her podcast The Black Mind Garden. And check out her website and academy at mindremappingacademy.com.

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This discussion was first presented in June of 2019. It was in response to one of the most common questions brought up in the Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook Group.

Your MD or DO degree is valuable. It enables you to compete for jobs with PhDs and PharmDs. Remember, too, that these jobs are open to residency-trained physicians, often at slightly higher salary levels to start.

Medical Writing For physicians looking for flexibility and work they can do from home, medical writing may be the answer. With a vast range of options, from blog articles to technical writing, discouraged doctors are sure to find something that fits their needs.
Clinical Documentation Improvement Medicare regulations have caused an explosion of companies focused on Clinical Documentation Improvement (CDI). As a CDI professional, you will be trained in the intricacies of translating chart notes and discharge summaries to appropriate billing codes. This work is extremely important to hospitals because it determines whether appropriate payments are collected and how quality measures are reported.
Medical Communications Generally, you’ll be working in marketing agencies that deal with pharma and device companies. It’s a great role if you enjoy working in a conventional office with a regular schedule. Teamwork and communication skills are important. There are ad agencies that hire medical directors in most major metropolitan areas of the U.S.
Consulting Consulting can be an excellent career choice for physicians lacking postgraduate training. Firms sometimes prefer doctors without experience so they can train them to their way of doing things, without the need to break old habits. Depending on the firm and your location, it may require significant amounts of travel. It can be very lucrative, though, with opportunities for advancement.
Medical Monitor Doctors with experience working in research or on pharmacy committees are suited to a career as a medical monitor. Medical monitors support research studies and ensure that they are medically sound. They track adverse drug reactions. And they serve as liaisons between principal investigators and the coordinating Contract Research Organization or pharmaceutical company.
Medical Science Liaison An MSL is a good entry-level job in the pharmaceutical space. Ideal candidates must be familiar with the regulatory landscape. This career involves regular travel and meeting new people. The course Build a Rewarding, Lucrative Career as a Medical Science Liaison will walk you through the process of finding your first MSL position.

Summary There are many jobs in the healthcare industry available to physicians without residency training. Since the original episode aired, additional jobs have been presented here on the podcast. In Pharma, there are jobs beyond MSL and medical monitor positions.

In Episode 209, Dr. Marsha Caton described the tactics for landing clinical scientist, clinical research associate, or technical medical writer jobs. And there will be more on that subject in Episode 214 with Dr. Laura McKain.

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Dr. Brook Choulet is a concierge psychiatrist and the founder of Choulet Wellness in Scottsdale, Arizona. Dr. Choulet was raised in San Diego, California, and completed her medical degree at the University of Missouri Kansas City’s rigorous six-year BA/MD program.

She then pursued training in General Psychiatry at the University of Arizona College of Medicine-Phoenix. She is currently in her final year of training in Child and Adolescent Psychiatry through Creighton University’s fellowship program in Phoenix, Arizona.

Following in the footsteps of her mother and grandfather, she will be a third-generation adult, child, and adolescent psychiatrist. She built her own concierge-style business during her residency and began to expand and hire other practitioners while still in fellowship.

In her private practice, she focuses on using a combination of medication management and therapy. The practice consists of a single office now and will be expanding into a second office this fall.

She has other interests, including a desire to help other physicians identify their career goals and grow their practices. So she mentors and consults with other physicians wishing to start their own practices. And she recently obtained her real estate license.

Brook explains how she started her concierge practice, and why it eliminates most of the headaches of typical employment. And she believes that other physicians should consider starting a similar type of cash-based clinic, whether using the membership or hourly pay-as-you-go model.

To access the show notes and all of the links for this episode, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/establish-a-concierge-practice

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Dr. Marsha Caton obtained her M.S. in Biology and Ph.D. in Human and Molecular Genetics at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. She has worked in the pharmaceutical industry for many years and is an expert in managing NDA submission teams and delivery of regulatory documents for drug approval.

She has expertise in medical writing, medical affairs, pharmacovigilance processes, health authority responses, and regulatory guidelines. Her experience working in pharma runs the gamut from scientific consultant, medical writer, and clinical research associate, to medical affairs specialist and pharmacovigilance scientist.

Pharma is a huge industry, with thousands of physicians working in dozens of different job categories. And some of these jobs can be filled by physicians with almost any background and experience if certain strategies are implemented.

Today we get the perspective of a Ph.D. who has worked in several companies, at different levels. She applies what she has learned to help physicians break into Clinical Development, a challenging field to break into. As she points out, however, it can be done with some planning, networking, and adjustments to your resumé.

I've listed many helpful links to the resources Marsha mentioned in today's interview. To get those, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/first-pharma-job

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In today's episode, I describe how coaches, mentors, and masterminds can support your career transition.

My first mentor was an internist I met through my volunteer work in continuing medical education at my hospital and state medical society. He encouraged me to pursue a career in hospital management.

What are the characteristics of a MENTOR? Here are a few...

Volunteer
Informal
Infrequent
Self-selected
Growth-oriented
Directional / advice

What is a COACH?

Paid
Formal
Therapy-like
Regular schedule
Less directive
Goal-oriented

What are the differences between a mentor and a coach?

Growth-oriented vs. goal-oriented
Unpaid vs. paid
Intermittent and infrequent vs. regularly scheduled
Often ongoing vs. time-limited

What is GROUP coaching?

Similar to coaching with multiple members
Paid
Regular meetings
Less directive
Less costly to purchase
More reach for the coach

What is a MASTERMIND group?

My first experience with a mastermind group grew out of my experience with executive coaching.

Every month or two, all of the senior executives at the hospital where I was CMO would dedicate one of our scheduled meetings to a special session. During that session, one of the C-suite executives would take the metaphorical "hot seat."

Once there, the facilitator/coach would start by asking the subject to describe the major challenge in their job that they wanted to discuss. Then the rest of us would spend the next 20 to 30 minutes asking questions to obtain clarity about the problem. Then we’d explore what had been tried already to resolve it.

We would ask probing questions. Ultimately, the subject on the hot seat would define the next steps based on insights and ideas inspired by the group.

It was amazing how often this erudite and accomplished person could find solutions through the mastermind that they had previously been unable to discover on their own.

The mastermind never failed to generate new ideas and instill a level of accountability that was otherwise not attainable.

Characteristics of a mastermind group:

A concept described by Napoleon Hill and others since the 1940s
Used mostly by business leaders and entrepreneurs to create breakthroughs and accelerate their success
It requires a facilitator
It can be done in a variety of formats
- Monthly meetings for months to years
- Weekly or biweekly for a shorter duration
- Larger groups over a weekend retreat
- Face to face or online
- Some are free – many are paid
Benefits
- Peer accountability
- Brainstorming
- Support
- Networking
- Real-time education
- A catalyst for success

These three tools can be used to accelerate career transition. Each has its strengths. And there is nothing wrong with using all three. In some ways, they are complementary to one another.

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Today we're revisiting the conversation with Dr. Dana Carpenter from Episode #61. It was an eye-opening interview introducing us to Medical Communications. Sometimes this term is used to refer to any company that employs medical writers, such as a CME producer.

However, in this context, we’re talking about the firms that provide marketing and advertising services to pharmaceutical and medical device companies. They create ad copy for j medical journals and online publications, presentations for sales personnel, support for live events, and multimedia presentations for regional and national meetings.

This job can be very attractive, offering a great lifestyle, infrequent travel demands, opportunities for advancement, and the possibility of working remotely from home.

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Nonclinical Nation, it has been a long time since we have heard about clinical documentation improvement as a nonclinical career. And I thought it was time to revisit this topic.

In fact, there are many interviews from early in the podcast that are worth revisiting.

So, I decided to bring back some of them during this summer of 2021. We'll post several of these in the coming months, interspersed with new episodes, as a way to revisit popular nonclinical jobs with awesome guests.

The first blast from the past this summer is my interview with CDI expert Dr. Cesar Limjoco.

Getting Your First CDI Job

I enjoyed revisiting my conversation with Dr. Limjoco. He is very passionate about what he does. We really got into the core principles of CDI.

And Cesar outlined the basic steps for pursuing such a career. Here they are:

Get involved at your hospital on a voluntary basis with the appropriate committees and offer to help with CDI projects.
Join professional organizations such as the Association of Clinical Documentation Improvement Specialists, the American Health Information Management Association, and the National Association of Physician Advisors.
Take on a paid part-time position as CDI Physician Advisor as you continue your learning process.
Expand your responsibilities to full-time if that’s your goal.

All of the links for the episode can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/clinical-documentation-improvement.

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Dr. Fisayo Ositelu completed an MD and MBA, graduating from Stanford University with both degrees in 2013. Rather than complete a clinical residency, he chose to leverage his education by working in Silicon Valley.

Using his medical and business training, he assisted his first employer with developing and selling products to healthcare organizations and financial institutions.

In June of 2019, he cofounded Gentem where he now serves as CEO. Gentem’s mission is to help physicians in private practice get reimbursed better and faster with less administrative cost. It does this by leveraging technology such as artificial intelligence, automation, and applied data analytics to streamline and accelerate the reimbursement process.

During our conversation, Fisayo explains how he followed the classic Silicon Valley approach to starting the company. He tapped into his network of investors, including former MBA program classmates, and identified a few key angel investors. The story is quite fascinating.

In addition, Fisayo explains how the company can help small practice owners make a comeback, by improving their revenue cycle management and cash flow.

All of the links for the episode can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/save-small-group-practices.

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Dr. Luissa Kiprono is a perinatologist with a very interesting background, having been born and raised in Romania. As a child, she qualified for the Romanian gymnastics team and turned it down to pursue her education. She emigrated to the United States with her family when she was 19 years old.

She set her sights on becoming a physician. She worked many different jobs after completing her undergraduate and master’s degrees. Then she enlisted in the US Airforce, completed her medical training, and retired as a Lieutenant Colonel in 2010.

She attended the University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine. Then she completed her residency at Wright State University/Wright Patterson Medical Center (OB-GYN) and perinatology fellowship at the University of Mississippi Medical Center (MFM). And in late 2020 she completed her executive MBA at the UT Haslam College of Business.

She has been practicing maternal-fetal medicine ever since. She is now in private practice. She has been drawn to leadership roles during her career. And now she is the Corporate Medical Director and Consultant in Maternal & Fetal Medicine at the Texas Perinatal Group (part of Mednax).

She is also the founder and president of World Gateway Perinatal Consultants. This organization brings perinatal services to African and South American countries.

You can hear her story and the qualities she believes physician leaders need in today's interview.

All of the links for the episode can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/leader-and-humanitarian.

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This week I present my conversation with Dr. Jonathan Baktari, the quintessential physician entrepreneur.

Jonathan received his medical degree at Ohio State. Following that, he completed his internal medicine residency at Northwestern University and pulmonary/critical care fellowship at UCLA.

He was at the peak of his medical career when he saw a new opportunity. Applying everything he’d learned as a physician, medical director, and educator, he launched two businesses—a vaccine clinic and a drug-testing enterprise.

His company e7 Health has grown. It has developed its own electronic cloud-based software to connect patients and clients. And it was designated the best technology company in the healthcare space in 2019.

In addition to delivering vaccines, antibody testing, and other medical services to employers around the country, e7 is now providing at-home COVID-19 testing.

In today's interview we learn how Dr. Baktari made the shift from practicing intensivist to CEO of a fast-growing healthcare technology company, and lessons for those with a similar goal.

All of the links for today’s episode can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/healthcare-technology-company.

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Dr. Stephanie E. Freeman, is a board-certified critical care specialist, best-selling author, speaker, and consultant. In addition, she is the expert in helping doctors discover alternative careers in medicine.

As Founder and Chief Medical Advisor of DrStephanieICU.com, Dr. Stephanie discusses real-world career strategies to help physicians “think outside the box” regarding their careers. By sharing advice on how to find alternative careers in medicine, Dr. Stephanie helps physicians practice medicine on their own terms.

Stephanie earned her Medical Degree from the University of Alabama School of Medicine. She completed her Internal Medicine Residency at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center and her Critical Care Fellowship at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.

She also completed a Geriatrics fellowship at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center. And she obtained an MBA at Auburn University.

Dr. Stephanie’s enthusiasm is contagious. As is her love of locum tenens as a way to practice on her own terms. If more of us would follow her example, I think we’d enjoy our clinical careers much more.

To learn more about all that she does, you should visit her website at drstephanieicu.com. Better yet, if you want to use Stephanie’s Free 5 Step Process for getting a locums position, go to freelocumstraining.com.

I know that I’ll learn more about locums myself when I attend Dr. Stephanie’s presentation at the upcoming Licensed to Live Conference in Philadelphia. And it’s definitely NOT too late to join me there.

You can learn all about the conference at www.licensedtolive.com. Don’t forget to use my Coupon Code “nonclinical” (all lower case) to get a $50 discount on the registration fee. That also lets Dr. Jarret Patton know that I sent you.

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This week, Dr. Leelee Thames, the Chief Value Officer at Novant Health, is our guest. She is the third University of Tennessee physician executive MBA graduate to join us. During our interview, she will explain why she loves her job.

Leelee completed her medical degree at Texas A& M College of Medicine and her anesthesiology residency at the University of Oregon Health and Science University.

During her residency, she also completed an NIH-funded research fellowship in systematic and comparative effectiveness reviews for the development of evidence-based guidelines. She completed the UT PEMBA in 2015.

Dr. Thames’s career has progressed fairly rapidly. Over a relatively short time, she advanced from practicing anesthesiologist to medical director, chief medical officer, and VP for quality, to her current role as CVO. She explains what attracted her to those roles, and how she demonstrated her competence as she progressed.

Leelee obtained her executive MBA seven years ago. She explains why she decided to get the MBA and how it has helped advance her career.

After spending time with health plans, I was really intrigued with this opportunity to work for a health system and really focus on care transformation and moving the organization towards value-based care. - Dr. Leelee Thames

Then she describes what she does as CVO, and why she prefers working in a health system over other options. She closes by giving her advice for other physicians hoping to move into a health plan or health system leadership role.

The links for today’s episode can all be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/chief-value-officer.

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I want to remind you that the Nonclinical Career Academy Membership Program has just re-opened after being closed to new members for 6 months. There are more than 20 courses for physicians looking to shift to a nonclinical career.

I’ll say more about that later. For now, if you want to learn more about it, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/joinnca.

In honor of my 200th episode, I want to do a couple of things. First, I will play a recent audio review from one of my listeners. And second, I am going to give you a podcast version of the webinar that I presented to a very engaged audience last week.

I tried to squeeze as much of the one-hour presentation as I could into a 30-minute time frame. I presented this as a lead-in to the temporary re-opening of the Nonclinical Career Academy Membership Program.

It is open for enrollment for only 3 more days following the release of this episode on Tuesday, June 15. To learn more about the Membership Program go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/joinnca. It’s a place where you can learn about dozens of nonclinical careers and side hustles.

As the host of the Academy Membership Program, it is my promise to do all that I can to help you land a meaningful nonclinical or nontraditional job that will enable you to leave assembly-line, soul-crushing medical practice and apply your training and experience to help patients in a new way.

I have already dedicated hundreds of hours developing 22 courses that bring you the knowledge I’ve garnered over the past 20 years. And I will continue to add new lessons to assist you in your career journey. The Program also includes masterclasses I recorded with Drs. Mike Woo-Ming, Andrew Wilner, and Maiysha Clairborne, and resumé expert Charlotte Weeks.

So, check it out at nonclinicalphysicians.com/joinnca.

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The Nonclinical Career Academy Membership Program has just re-opened after being closed to new members for almost 6 months. There are more than 20 courses for physicians looking to shift to a nonclinical career available to members.

And to kick things off, on Wednesday, June 9, at 7 PM Central, I’m hosting a free training called Discover Your First Nonclinical Job (Even If You Don't Know Where to Start).

Here’s what you’ll learn:

Why your beliefs about a nonclinical career are completely wrong!
The most popular jobs that thousands of physicians have already landed.
The tactics I teach to narrow your search, find job listings, present your qualifications, and ace the interview.

Just go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/webinar2 to automatically register and save your spot for the free training.

I’m so happy to be able to interview Dr. Kirsten Limmer. One of my favorite topics is supporting an online side business using an online platform or tool such as a podcast, an online course, or a membership site.

And one that we used to talk about a lot is the smartphone app. I’ve had several guests who have created an app in the past, sometimes doing the programming themselves, sometimes hiring it out.

It used to be you could develop a cool app and bring in decent revenue if it became popular. But whether because of increasing competition, or the steep costs of paying programmers, you don’t hear much about it anymore. I've been looking for a physician with experience developing an app for a long time.

Dr. Kirsten Limmer completed her medical degree and Ph.D. in Molecular Biology at UCSD. Then she pursued her pediatric residency at Harvard Medical School / Massachusetts General Hospital.

She joined a pediatric practice and worked full-time until the COVID pandemic hit in early 2020. During the pandemic, she reduced her work duties to manage and assist in schooling her children at home.

However, Kirsten is also a real estate investor and entrepreneur. She has been buying investment real estate in her spare time and will claim Real Estate Professional Status (REPS) for tax purposes this year.

If you know anything about REPS, you know that documentation of time logs is super-important for claiming tax deductions and preparing for an IRS audit. So she enrolled in an intense software development coding course and built an app herself from the ground up.

During our conversation, Kirsten gets very detailed about how she built her app. And you can learn to do the same by listening today.

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Today we'll hear from another graduate of the University of Tennessee Physician Executive MBA program.

Dr. Rachel George completed her medical education at J. J. M. Medical School in Davangere, India, and her internal medicine residency at Mercy Hospital in Chicago Illinois. She got her start in management as the medical director of the hospital medicine program where she started her career.

While there, she completed her MBA at the Haslam College of Business at the University of Tennessee. Two years later, she went on to become regional medical director for a national hospital medicine company. She stayed with them for nine years and grew with them to become President of a Business Unit.

From there, she moved to a health system to be part of their population health strategy. And then 4 years ago became Executive VP and Chief Medical Officer of a national physician services company.

During our interview, Rachel explains what it was like to work in a variety of business settings. And she provides her advice on how to become a great physician executive.

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Dr. Randall (Randy) Cook a well-respected clinician, educator, and organizational leader. He holds certifications from the American Board of Surgery and the American Board of Preventive Medicine in the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medicine subspecialty, as well as certifications from the American Professional Wound Care Association and the American Board of Wound Management.

He has succeeded in multiple practice settings from solo practitioner to small single-specialty group to large multispecialty clinic. During those clinical years, he served as Chairman of the Department of Surgery for Jackson Hospital in Montgomery, Alabama, as well as President of the Medical Staff and member of the hospital's Board of Trustees. More recently, he served as the medical director of the Jackson Wound & Hyperbaric Medicine Center.

The many years of clinical, managerial, and leadership experience have provided Randy with invaluable insight into medicine and medical practice management. Randy integrates his clinical, management, and leadership experiences in his current role as Senior Executive Physician Coach at MD Coaches.

I enjoyed hearing about Randy’s clinical career and his transition into coaching and podcasting. And we get into his approach to coaching and the benefits of working with a coach for practicing physicians and physician leaders.

You absolutely must listen to the Prescription for Success Podcast as Randy interviews some of the most interesting guests addressing very important topics affecting the very nature of healthcare and medical practice.

And within the next few weeks, you’ll be able to learn more about me if you like because I was honored to be a guest on an upcoming episode of his show.

And if you’d like to get a FREE copy of the REPORT from Randy and MDCoaches that I mentioned: Nine Decisive Actions You Can Take Today to Be a Better Physician and Leader, simply go to mymdcoaches.com/doctor.

The links for today’s episode can all be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/why-coaching-is-so-essential.

You can learn more about MD Coaches at mymdcoaches.com, and about the Prescription for Success Podcast at rxforsuccesspodcast.com.

And please go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/voicemessage and tell us all about something on the podcast that has inspired or helped you, and the positive impact it had. Add a shout-out to a particular guest, if you like. And optionally, include your name and mention your website, if you have one.

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Today I would like to ask a favor of you.

This is episode 196, which means that we are rapidly approaching EPISODE 200. I can’t believe it.

I want to do something special for my 200th episode. I’d like to find out what, if any, impact this podcast has had on YOU. So, here is what I would like to do (but it depends on YOU to help me out).

I’d love to hear how the podcast has positively impacted you in some way. Even in some SMALL way.

Maybe you found a coach or updated your resume, or decided to start your own business. Or maybe you just felt inspired by a guest who reminded YOU of YOU.

This is what I want you to do:

Think about the answers to these 2 questions:

What inspired or helped you – a topic, a guest’s story or advice, maybe even a product or service you heard about on the podcast?
What was the upshot of that inspiration, information, or advice? What action did you take and what was the positive RESULT, if any?

Then go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/voicemessage and record your comments in a 2-to-4-minute voice message.

And it’s OPTIONAL, but you can give your name if you like; and if you have a website to promote, mention it too.

You can listen and re-record the message as many times as you like before sending it, so don’t worry about recording the perfect message the first time.

Dr. Harvey Castro is an emergency room physician and healthcare leader who thrives on motivating teams by providing the most technologically advanced healthcare services to communities throughout the state of Texas.

He believes in building sincere trust with patients, doctors, staff, and community leaders by displaying compassion, care, and understanding.

He graduated from the University of Texas Medical School at Galveston. He then completed his Emergency Medicine Residency at St. Luke’s University Health Network in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. He has been practicing EM for about 16 years.

Along the way, he completed his MBA and took on leadership and business roles, first as medical director, then as a smartphone medical app developer, and later as a freestanding emergency room founder and CEO. That business has now grown into a network of freestanding ERs and other healthcare facilities.

He started Trusted Medical Group and Trusted Medical Centers where he serves as CEO. The company has opened several freestanding emergency medical facilities and is now offering a franchise for other investors to replicate what he has done.

During our interview, Harvey describes his philosophy for following your passion and why he believes in lifelong learning. He recently completed his executive MBA through the University of Tennessee Haslam School of Business.

Other topics discussed in this episode include:

How Harvey nurtured his management and leadership skills;
How to advance within an organization;
Why he decided to complete his MBA;
Advice for physicians who want to take on new projects.

You can find links to everything mentioned in today's episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/best-healthcare-leaders/

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Welcome back Nonclinical Nation. Today we're going back to basics. But before we get too far into today’s monologue, I would like to ask a favor of you.

As stated in the opening, this is episode 195, which means that we are rapidly approaching EPISODE 200. I can’t believe it. Two hundred weekly episodes – almost 4 years of consistent content.

I’d love to hear how the podcast has positively impacted you in some way. Even in some SMALL way.

Maybe you found a coach or updated your resume, or decided to start your own business. Or maybe you just felt inspired by a guest who reminded YOU of YOU.

This is what I want you to do:

Think about the answers to these 2 questions:

What inspired or helped you – a topic, a guest’s story or advice, maybe even a product or service you heard about on the podcast?
What was the upshot of that inspiration, information, or advice? What action did you take and what was the positive RESULT, if any?

Then go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/voicemessage and record your comments in a 2-to-4-minute voice message.

And it’s OPTIONAL, but you can give your name if you like; and if you have a website to promote, mention it too.

You can listen and re-record the message as many times as you like before sending it, so don’t worry about recording the perfect message the first time.

Now, let me explain what prompted me to choose today's topic.

I was recently reminded that not everyone listening to this podcast has been with us since the beginning. It is very easy for me to go deep into a very specific topic with a guest or on a solo episode like this, rather than revisit a basic question such as “How do I begin my career search?”

So, I put together this list of low-cost starting points to begin your research if you're new to this. Here is the outline listing the resources that I describe in today's episode:

BOOKS

50 Nonclinical Careers for Physicians: Fulfilling, Meaningful, and Lucrative Alternatives to Direct Patient Care – by Sylvie Stacy, MD, MPH (2020)
The Positioned Physician: Earn More, Work Smart, and Love Medicine Again – by Michael Woo-Ming, MD, MPH (2020)
Careers Beyond Clinical Medicine – by Heidi George Moawad, MD (2013)
Beyond the Ward: A Doctor’s Guide to Careers Outside the NHS – by Dr. Paul Hercock (2018)

PODCASTS

Physician Nonclinical Careers with John Jurica
Doctors Unbound – David Draghinas
Docs Outside the Box – Nii Darko, DO
The Career Rx – Marjorie Stiegler, MD
Next Level Physicians: Thriving Outside the Box – Maiysha Clairborne, MD
Rx for Success with Dr. Randy Cook
Bootstrap MD: Physician Entrepreneurs Podcast – Mike Woo-Ming, MD
EntreMD – Nneka Unachukwu, MD

COACHES (Physicians) for their WEBSITE RESOURCES

Heather Fork - doctorscrossing.com
Michelle Mudge-Riley-phphysicians.com
Starla Fitch - starlafitchmd.com
Maiyisha Clairborne - drmaiysha.com

FACEBOOK GROUPS

Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters – John Jurica and Laura McKain – 16,000 members
Physician Side Gigs – Nisha Mehta – 76,000 members
Alternative Careers for Doctors – 24,000 members
Remote Careers for Physicians – Jonathan Vitale – 8,000 members

ONE MORE WEBSITE

Heidi Moawad's Nonclinical Doctors - nonclinicaldoctors.com

I hope this is helpful for new listeners.

Thanks again for joining me today. I’ll put links to most everything I mentioned today in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/best-resources-for-finding-a-nonclinical-career/.

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In today’s interview, I’m talking with the Head of Growth at Gentem about branding and marketing. Gentem is a Billing and Revenue Cycle Management Company that uses AI to eliminate medical billing headaches for independent medical practices.

Omar Khateeb is a former medical student who left to become a sales, marketing, and branding expert. After several years honing his skills, he joined Gentem as its Head of Growth.

Omar has been involved with the branding and marketing of healthcare companies since leaving medical school in 2012. He is also an entrepreneur, and one of the few people I know that completed Seth Godin’s altMBA program.

Omar is not a physician, but he definitely thinks like a physician in many ways and has been around physicians a lot. The CEO who founded Gentem is a physician. And so is Omar's father.

I think it is becoming evident today that the small practice owner can compete with the big systems. But it takes a working knowledge of business principles, including marketing skills. I enjoyed getting some of those issues clarified by Omar.

It’s also encouraging that his company, Gentem, provides services to enhance billing and collections for the practice owners. Physicians in this situation need to take advantage of the latest technology to maintain their competitive advantage.

If you’re in that situation, you should check out Gentem. When I was looking over the site I saw that they were offering an assessment and the first month of services for free. It’s worth taking a look especially if you are paying more than 6% of claims for your billing services.

I have placed all of the links we discussed today in the show at nonclinicalphysicians.com/save-private-practice.

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I’ve brought a great guest back to the podcast. Dr. Peter Kim will teach us a bit about how to build a thriving real estate passion project on today’s show.

Many of you should be familiar with Dr. Peter Kim. He offers the Leverage & Growth Virtual Summit, the Passive Income MD blog, and his Passive Real Estate Academy. He first joined us in Episode 154 to talk about building a passive income side business using real estate.

So, I wanted to get Peter on the podcast to explain why his approach to real estate investing makes such a good side hustle - and about the Academy which has just re-opened for a new cohort of students.

As I assist physicians considering a nonclinical career, I find that there are many who achieve the same freedom and security from a side hustle like Peter’s that does not involve being an employee.

Peter designed the Passive Real Estate Academy to be an effective learning experience. It offers all of the lessons in conveniently digestible segments. It leverages a Facebook group to provide networking and ongoing support. And it builds accountability so that progress is optimized.

And once you join, you’re a member for life, able to access a growing network of other professionals investing in real estate.

If you’re listening to this episode when it comes out, you can learn more about the Passive Real Estate Academy using this link: nonclinicalphysicians.com/prea. If you click it right now, you can sign up for the free masterclass. Otherwise, use it to go to the information page before May 2nd at midnight, when the course closes.

That is an affiliate link, so I’ll receive a marketing fee for sending you to the course, which helps support this podcast. But it has no effect on the price you pay for the course.

Thanks for listening today. I appreciate you for being here.

I have placed all of the links we discussed today in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/thriving-real-estate.

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In today’s interview, Dr. Francis Yoo explains why we must imagine our eulogy in order to pursue freedom and meaning in our lives.

Francis is a born-and-raised New Yorker. He runs a part-time cash-pay, holistic-integrative private practice. And he helps physicians awaken to their potential, do soul-searching, inner work, and profound personal development. His goal is to help them find authentic meaning in their career, relationships, and life in general.

After being trained as a family physician and certified in osteopathic manipulation, integrative medicine, and pain medicine, he chose to pursue his authentic life. He focused on integrating his medical training with Existential Philosophy and Eastern Perspectives for his own personal development and to help others.

He continues to practice medicine and to coach physicians to help them discover an authentic, fulfilled life.

Francis provided us with a good example of how to find meaning in today's conversation. I like the idea that you should imagine your eulogy or obituary as a way to help clarify your purpose and meaning.

I have placed all of the links we discussed today in the show at nonclinicalphysicians.com/pursue-freedom.

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This week, I spend a few minutes discussing which advanced degree to consider pursuing to advance your career. This issue was triggered by a listener’s question. And it truly made me think more deeply about the issue.

I start by listing the general principles to consider when deciding on which advanced degree to pursue if any. There is no randomized controlled study to apply to the decision. But my comments reflect my opinion based on my observations and conversations with other physicians. Here are the most important considerations I would keep in mind when thinking about his major decision: 1. There are many physician executives, including CMOs and CEOs, who have NO business degree. 2. There are many CMOs who started with NO business degree and completed one AFTER getting their first CMO position. 3. There are 3 primary benefits to obtaining an advanced degree: * You learn useful skills, techniques, concepts, tools, etc. Note, however, that most, if not all, can be learned through reading, online courses, and courses through organizations such as the American Association for Physician Leadership. * You demonstrate your commitment and provide evidence of knowledge of business, management, finances, etc. that you might NOT be able to demonstrate otherwise. * You develop a network of colleagues working in teams while completing your degree. Be sure to ask about this aspect - the vitality of the alumni group and connections developed - do they persist beyond the formal education? 4. These decisions do not exist in a vacuum, and the most important issues to consider are:

* The above benefits;
* The cost;
* The time needed to participate on a weekly or monthly basis (5 hours, 20 hours, full time?);
* The total time needed to complete the degree (as little as a year, even while working your regular job, or as long as 3 or 4 years completing one course per semester or less); and,
* Whether to attend a big name school to further enhance your prospects for highly competitive positions.

Those are the major issues I would address when considering an advanced degree. I expound on each of these issues during this week's episode. For links mentioned during this episode, visit the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/which-advanced-degree/ Get an updated edition of the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.

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In this week's podcast, Dr. Sanj Katyal describes how he can help you apply positive psychology to save your career.

Dr. Sanj Katyal completed his Medical Degree at the New York University School of Medicine, and his residency in Radiology at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Sanj also holds certifications in Positive Psychology and Positive Psychology Coaching from the Whole Being Institute.

He has taught principles of well-being and the Science of Happiness to hundreds of physicians and is the co-founder of Thrive-Rx: A Practical Guide to Flourishing for Physicians by Practicing Physicians. He is also the author of Positive Philosophy: Ancient and Modern Wisdom to Create a Flourishing Life (affiliate link).

He learned about positive psychology and how it can help reframe our perspective. This helps us build our attention on what matters. And that leads to more fulfillment and satisfaction.

He began helping others through coaching and teaching, even as he continued his clinical work. Then he partnered with three other physicians to create a program that they now offer to other physicians.

It’s called Thrive-Rx. And it is “the course they wish they had taken in medical school.” It is proven to positively impact personal wellbeing, professional fulfillment, and financial literacy. Today, we learn from Sanj the underlying philosophy and components that are built into his program.

As always, you’ll find all of the links for today’s show in the show notes nonclinicalphysicians.com/apply-positive-psychology

Check out his website at nonclinicalphysicians.com/thrive and his website at positive-medicine.com.

Don’t forget to use the Coupon code JOHN to get a 50% discount if you register for the course.

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Dr. Dan Field explains how he went from retirement to ardent CMO in this week's interview.

Dr. Dan Field is the chief medical officer for MDstaffers, recently ranked the 49th fastest-growing company in the United States. There, he oversees all clinical staff operations and quality assurance. He also oversees the Medical Expert staffing component.

Dan is a board-certified emergency medicine physician who practiced for more than 30 years. He serves the California Medical Board as an expert reviewer and consultant.

He is an expert witness for cases involving personal injury, criminal law, standard of care, and malpractice, and is a featured speaker, panelist, media physician, and talk show guest.

Dr. Field received his medical degree from the University of California at San Francisco, followed by an internship at Highland Hospital in Oakland. He then completed his EM residency at University Hospital in Cincinnati.

I advise you to listen closely as Dan talks about how he pursued interests that satisfied his need for autonomy, variety, accomplishment, and reward. And he notes that humans are not made to BE happy but to PURSUE happiness.

Then he provides practical advice about stacking new skills to prepare for your next career. A pertinent example he provides is to work as a state medical board reviewer to gain experience before embarking on a medical expert consulting side business.

We cover two important topics today: preparing for the transition from retirement from medicine to your next career, and how to prepare to do medical expert consulting. Using a company such as MDstaffers to help you learn necessary skills and find your first clients is one way to accelerate the process of growing that side job.

I have no financial relationship with the company, but I think exploring MDstaffers at mdstaffers.com is a good place to look for locums jobs and medical expert witness consulting engagements. And from what Dan sees, he or one of his colleagues can help you to prepare to get started.

As always, you’ll find all of the links for today’s show in the show notes nonclinicalphysicians.com/from-retirement-to-ardent-CMO.

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In this week’s interview, Dr. Jonathan Vitale explains how he found his remote nonclinical career in utilization management.

Dr. Vitale is a board-certified Family Physician, certified counselor, and Physician Transition Coach. He transitioned from a traditional clinical career to a full-time remote career in Utilization Management.

He has extensive experience in clinical medicine, telemedicine, medical media, physician consulting, the business of medicine, and executive leadership.

Jonathan is the founder of Remote Careers for Physicians Facebook Group with over 8,000 physician members. He has helped dozens of physicians transition into utilization management, telemedicine, expert witnessing, insurance work, pharma, executive leadership, consulting, medical education, medical writing, and medical media.

His work focuses on the psychological, logistical, financial, professional, and personal aspects of physician career transition.

With the growing demand for career coaching for physicians, I have noticed a new trend. And I think it is a good one: physician coaches who specialize in a career niche. I’ve interviewed three coaches who specialize in the pharma and medical device industry. And now we have been introduced to Jonathan Vitale who focuses on UM careers.

I think that they can all coach in areas outside of their niche, but if you’re committed to quickly finding a utilization management job, a coach like Jonathan is the way to go.

As we noted during the interview, you can find him at www.drjonathan.com and in the Remote Careers for Physicians Facebook Group.

And if you’d like to hear Jonathan’s musical side, go to TheRealDrJonathan on Instagram. There he displays his talents as a pianist and singer.

As always, you’ll find all of the links for today’s show in the show notes nonclinicalphysicians.com/remote-nonclinical-career.

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In this week’s episode of the PNC Podcast, John Lee Dumas, of Entrepreneurs on Fire, helps us learn what it takes to create uncommon success when creating an online business. I was so pumped to be able to interview JLD. The opportunity came because he is promoting his new book, to be released one week after this episode is released.

JLD is the founder and host of the award-winning podcast, Entrepreneurs on Fire. With over 1 million monthly listens and 7-figures of annual revenue, JLD is spreading Entrepreneurial FIRE on a global scale. His first traditionally published book, The Common Path to Uncommon Success is available for pre-order now at UncommonSuccessBook.com

JLD is an icon in podcasting. He created his online empire starting with his daily podcast, now with over 3,000 episodes. And anyone producing a podcast, or any online platform from blog to YouTube channel, will do well to emulate what he has done and what he shares each day on his show.

In his new book, he brings it all together for us to read, study and implement. I’m very pleased to have JLD on the PNC Podcast to share his expertise and tell us about his book, which is being released on March 23.

During our interview, he tosses out several "value-bombs." They include:

the definition of the "big idea,"
why you must "niche down,"
the importance of developing a production plan, and,
why you must focus on keeping some of your profits or they will simply slip away.

I recommend you pre-order a copy now because there are many awesome bonuses that disappear after the 23rd of March. They include a copy of the Podcast Journal, Mastery Journal, and Freedom Journal, each a bestseller themselves, and video interviews with the entrepreneurs who contributed to some of the chapters in the book.

I've already received my bonuses and started to use them.

(By the way, I am not an affiliate for the book so I do NOT have any financial incentive to promote it. I just believe it will become a classic AND with the bonuses, it’s a no-brainer.)

As always, you’ll find all of the links for today’s show in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/create-uncommon-success/

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Dr. Dianne Ansari-Winn is an Anesthesiologist who received her medical degree from the University of Michigan Medical School in Ann Arbor. She also completed a Master’s Degree in Health Behavior and Health Education from the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

She then completed her residency in Anesthesiology at Illinois Masonic Medical Center in Chicago and fellowships in Cardiothoracic Anesthesia and Pain Management at the University of Chicago Hospitals.

Dianne was a practicing anesthesiologist when she went through her own experience with burnout in 2012. It adversely affected every aspect of her life and led her to leave clinical practice. But her experience with burnout was the beginning of her journey to creating the happy, fulfilled, purpose-driven life that she lives today.

Dianne was one of the earliest physician peer coaches. She continues to be at the forefront of physician coaching and trains other physicians in The Physician Coaching Academy, which she founded in 2018.

Her mission is to help create a health care system where physician wellness is an integral part of medical practice and where physicians are supported.

Dianne has also published a book called Doctor Heal Thyself: A Guide for Physicians to Prevent Burnout and Promote Wellbeing.

If you’re in the midst of burnout you can contact Dianne for help. But if you’re beyond that and you would like to apply coaching principles to your current job as a clinician, manager, or executive, then the Physician Coaching Academy will be worth exploring.

You can find Diane at physicianvitalityinstitute.com or at drdianne.com.

And as always, you’ll find all of the links in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/help-committed-colleagues

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Dr. Heather Hammerstedt is board certified in emergency medicine and lifestyle medicine. She received her medical degree from Temple University and a master’s in public health at Harvard University. She learned emergency medicine at the Harvard Affiliated Emergency Medicine Residency.

She is an integrative nutrition coach, and CEO of Wholist, where she and her team provide lifestyle medicine coaching and consults.

To accomplish that she brings together a system and a team that works together seamlessly, to create the change that clients want to see and the life they want to live.

And she can't get enough of her interviews with colleagues on her Curate Your Health Podcast. There she engages in conversations with colleagues in the fields of food, leadership, exercise, weight management, mindset, mindfulness, and women's health.

It is quite impressive. You should visit the Wholist website at wholisthealth.com to learn more. While you're there, check out her 8 Week Lifestyle Medicine Course for Physicians and Practitioners.

We didn’t get into a discussion of her nonprofit, but if you want to learn more about what she is doing with Global Emergency Care then go to globalemergencycare.org

To find all the links for today’s show go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/lifestyle-medicine

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Today’s episode is a bit longer than usual. But it is worth it!

This interview will provide the deepest dive into jobs in Pharma and Medical Devices that I have done by far!

Dr. Mario Mendoza is a board-certified anesthesiologist, chemist, and independent biotech medical affairs consultant, and biotech careers coach. He has 13-plus years of experience in patient care, drug/device clinical development, medical affairs, R&D work, and FDA regulation of medical devices.

As an Executive-in-Residence at the Center for Biotechnology at Stony Brook University, Mario also advises early-stage biotech companies in the following areas: branding, clinical development, medical affairs, and regulatory compliance of drugs and devices.

Finally, he is the Founder of lifeundocumented.org, his calling, and mission. Mario loves to help others get started on their mission, as he has.

Remember, too, that Dr. Mendoza will be one of the panelists on the upcoming Physician Helping Physicians Conference that you can learn more about at phphysicians.com.

Go to the Virtual Conferences page and you’ll see his smiling face along with a couple of dozen other nontraditional career experts. Tell Michelle I sent you when you sign up Right HERE.

To find all the links for today’s show go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/find-a-job-in-pharma

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Pennie Sempell has spent much of her adult life answering this question: How do I boost my resilience? In today’s interview, she explains what she and her colleagues have developed to address that very challenge.

Pennie Sempell completed her undergraduate B.A. in Psychology and her Law Degree at the University of California.

For over 25 years Pennie has provided training in stress resilience, health advocacy, and conflict resolution with medical professionals in both hospital and outpatient settings. A professional mediator and pioneer in integrative health education, she has authored and produced multiple award-winning multimedia tools for adults and children in lifestyle and behavioral medicine topics.

She is the co-founder and CEO of StressPal and its new program. StressPal brings behavioral health training tools to fight stress-related conditions. It is an interactive program that applies evidence-based interventions to help clinicians change how they respond, adapt to, and recover from stressors.

I am intrigued by a program like StressPal that offers convenient self-paced intervention tools to enhance our resilience in these situations.

You can learn more about how StressPal can be used to fight burnout in your practice or hospital by going to stresspal.com.

Email Pennie at training@stresspal.com, if you'd like additional information about group or individual memberships.

And as always, you’ll find all of the links for today’s show in the show notes nonclinicalphysicians.com/boost-my-resilience.

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This week, Dr. Mandy Armitage describes how to publish your first book. You might recall that she was interviewed in Episode #22 about medical writing.

She returns now to promote her new book and teach you how to self-publish your first book.

Mandy is a board-certified physiatrist, freelance medical writer, and consultant. Prior to transitioning to nonclinical work, she practiced musculoskeletal medicine. She earned her MD from Indiana University School of Medicine and completed her PM&R Residency at Carolinas Healthcare system, followed by a Sports Medicine Fellowship at Emory University.

She was a guest on the podcast almost three years ago to talk about medical writing. In addition to writing, she has worked as Medical Director for several health technology start-ups.

Now she is back doing freelance medical writing and coaching other clinicians with their writing. And she just released a new book called From Clinical Practice to Medical Writing: A Career Transition Guide.

I enjoyed hearing about Dr. Armitage’s decision to write a book. And she walks us through the steps she took to publish it.

I encourage you to visit armitagemedicalwriting.com and purchase the book while you’re there.

If you’d like to learn more about medical writing, check out my introductory course at nonclinicalphysicians.com/writingcourse.

And as always, you’ll find all of the links for today’s show in the show notes nonclinicalphysicians.com/publish-your-first-book

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Sam Lippolis is a coach and consultant who teaches professionals and organizations how to leverage telemedicine.

Sam teaches physicians, other clinicians, and organizations how to plan, implement and grow telehealth. She has been implementing telehealth programs full time for 11 years.

Her specialty is finding the path of least resistance to start a telemedicine service. And providing the expertise to get a telemedicine program off the ground.

During our interview, Sam opened up a whole new way for me to look at telemedicine. It’s not just a part- or full-time alternative to conventional face-to-face medical practice. It’s a great way to expand your practice and bring back the patients you’ve lost during the pandemic.

It’s really just a different, and often more efficient, way to provide clinical care that should be integrated into MOST clinical practices.

Sam has a very useful free Telehealth Tip Sheet to get you started. You can get that by going directly to www.samlippolis.com/tips.

You can find her website at samlippolis.com. You can connect with her on LinkedIn and email her at sam@samlippolis.com.

You’ll find all of the links for today’s show at nonclinicalphysicians.com/leverage-telemedicine.

Check out the Clinicians Career Cooperative here. The membership price is going to increase very soon, so sign up now to lock in the introductory rate and engage with dozens of nonclinical career experts!

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I recently joined Michelle Mudge-Riley on her free webinar to talk about mistakes that will derail a job search. We listed the major ones that we have witnessed and took questions from the audience.

Here are some of the Mistakes That Will Derail a Job Search that we discussed.

#1 – Tunnel vision and not keeping an open mind

About possible jobs
About how you will find a job
About your capabilities

#2 – Being intimidated by a job description

Many of us have landed jobs even though we don’t meet the written “requirements”
Many qualifications are “nice to have” not “must-haves”

#3 – Preparing a CV rather than a resume

Might be OK for an academic position
What’s the difference?
Focus on the summary with keywords
Emphasize accomplishments with measurable outcomes

#4 – Using the same cover letter and resume for different jobs or different industries

Example – “leadership role in the health insurance or pharma industry”
Each employer has its own needs
List experiences and skills for each potential employer

#5 – Depending too much on electronic applications and not leveraging networks

One of my guests found herself suddenly anxious to leave her clinical job – she reached out to some former classmates for advice and one of them just became aware of a job as a life insurance medical director – she applied – landed the job – and loves it 10 years later
Networking is a foreign concept to physicians
We have a twisted concept of networking – standing around at a reception at the end of an all-day conference handing out business cards
Networking is reconnecting with old medical school classmates and former co-residents directly

#6 – Not learning the jargon of the field we’re pursuing

hospital management, quality improvement, clinical documentation improvement, utilization management, expert witness, pharma jobs all have specific terms
use in the cover letter, resume, interviews

#7 – Not taking the interview seriously

Failure to
- bring copies of your resume
- dress properly
- arrive early
- listen more than you talk
- asking enough questions

#8 – Not preparing sufficiently

Not understanding the job posting
Not doing enough research on the position or organization
Check out financial reports, stock reports, Guidestar, Google, rating agencies

There are important issues at each step. But don’t get overwhelmed.

Listen to the full episode to hear about 2 BONUS mistakes to avoid.

And remember that this podcast is also made possible by the support of my sponsor, the University of Tennessee Physician Executive MBA Program. You can learn more about it at nonclinicalphysicians.com/physicianmba.

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Today I present my thoughts on how to become a successful medical writer.

This is the audio part of a lesson in my Nonclinical Career Academy Course called Introduction to Careers as a Medical Writer.

I start by listing the reasons that Medical Writing is such a popular option. Then I describe the most common categories of medical writing. Finally, I provide some advice on how to begin your pivot to medical writing as a career or side hustle.

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Michael P. Cyll is a cardiac sonographer working in the Phoenix area for over 30 years. As he approached retirement from that clinical career, he developed an interest in narration and voice-over work, specializing in narration in the science, technical and medical fields.

For the past year, he has been honing his voice-over skills and performing in a variety of freelance jobs, including audiobook narration, YouTube videos, and Zoom Theater productions.

This is a new job option that I thought you’d like to hear about. So I brought Mike on the podcast to see what Mike can tell us about getting into this field.

Based on our conversation, and listening to recordings by non-medical narrators, I believe that there is a need for voice-overs by knowledgeable clinicians. How many times have you heard a medication mispronounced on a radio or TV ad, or even in some type of educational video?

I think it would be great if we had nurses and physicians familiar with medical terminology doing some of those narrations.

Mike gave us a quick overview of his efforts to enter the field, and some pointers to get started. And I hope he inspired a few of you to start exploring this interesting field.

In addition to links to the resources Mike mentioned, I am including additional links that may benefit the listeners. Simply go to the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/medical-voice-over to access those links.

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Today I present a conversation with an internationally recognized speaker, best-selling author, mentor, and consultant who will teach you how to be an IME (independent medical examiner).

Dr. Emily Woolcock is among the country’s most well-known and respected orthopedic surgeons. She is board-certified by the American Board of Orthopedic Surgery and the American Board of Independent Medical Examiners.

Dr. Woolcock founded businesses in Georgia, Florida, and Maryland, including the Orthopedic and Joint Replacement Institute, the Accident Rehabilitation Center, and National Orthopedic Consultants. In 2016 she established the IME Academy where students are taught to perform defensible, literature-based independent medical examinations.

Emily is passionate about helping other physicians break free from the devastating work/life balance issues she experienced early in her career. As a wife and mother, she understands the struggles physicians and other healthcare professionals face as they become disenchanted by the changes in healthcare, and failed attempts at work/life balance.

This is the first time I have had a guest with expertise in performing IMEs. IME consulting overlaps with what an expert witness might do. But it also involves examining patients, which some might find more compelling as a side job.

Like expert witness work, it pays very well and you generally must continue to practice medicine.

Emily dropped a lot of value-bombs. She clearly knows this topic well. If you’re interested in learning more about her IME course, you can find it at theimeacademy.com.

I provide the IME Academy link and links to her books in the show notes at nonclincalphysicians.com/be-an-ime/

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For today’s interview, I have the pleasure of speaking with a fellow podcaster, and one of our Mentors on the Clinicians Career Cooperative.

We’ll be discussing money issues, personal finance, coaching, podcasting, balancing a clinical and nonclinical job, and more.

Today’s guest is the multitalented gastroenterologist Brent Lacey. Dr. Lacey is passionate about his patients, and about helping physicians succeed with business and personal finances.

As a physician, he understands how overwhelming it can be to step out of clinical training and into a career. And he has seen firsthand the huge educational gap that exists in running a practice and managing money.

He has coached hundreds of families to eliminate debt. And he has spoken to physician groups around the country on topics related to business and personal finance. That's why he founded The Scope of Practice website, blog and podcast.

I found it enlightening to hear how Brent grew his coaching business. It seems there is an endless need for teaching professionals how to get a handle on their finances, run a better practice, and make time to devote to family.

Brent is active on every big social media site: @businesscoachmd on Twitter, and @thescopeofpractice on Instagram. The easiest way to find his Facebook Group is to use this link: thescopeofpractice.com/facebookpage.

I provide all the links in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/master-your-finances/

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In this week's show, I explain the 5 steps I took to go from practicing family physician to hospital CMO.

I start by explaining why I believe hospital leadership is an excellent career. Then, I offer some personal stories as I describe 5 steps:

Be curious and open to volunteering for committees adn projects;
Engage one or more mentors;
Try different part-time paid positions as pilots to see what interests you while gaining new skills;
Get additional education and possibly certification or a new degree;
Go for it, and ask for the job.

My path spanned about 20 years. But you can compress what I did into a much shorter time frame. In the end, you will find a well-compensated position that enables you to have a huge impact on the healthcare provided to your community.

And if you're like me, you'll have fun doing it.

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Today’s guest is who you call when you're dealing with challenging private practice matters.

Dr. Phil Boucher is a husband, a father of five, and a pediatrician in private practice in Lincoln, Nebraska. He is very prolific, treating patients, educating parents, and helping his colleagues enjoy their clinical work.

He has created an online presence for parents that includes a podcast and YouTube channel, all under the title “Raising Good Parents.”

Phil graduated from the University of Nebraska Medical Center. He also completed his pediatric residency at UNMC working at the Children's Hospital and Medical Center in Omaha. He then joined Lincoln Pediatrics Group and is now a partner.

He loves practicing medicine. Yet, he cannot help but create and share solutions with physicians who are struggling with problems he’s overcome. So, he became a coach and consultant to other physicians addressing important private practice matters.

And he solves a big problem that is important to physicians: time management. During our interview, he explains what he believes are two of the top ways to improve personal productivity.

He has even created a course that teaches his student physicians how to optimize these factors in their practices. It is called OnTime MD.

You can find the links to all of Phil Boucher's activities and his online resources at nonclinicalphysicians.com/private-practice-matters.

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Today I have the pleasure of welcoming two guests who are experts in delivering one of the newest telemedicine-supported specialties.

Today, we’ll be hearing from the President and the CIO of a company that hires physicians and provides in-person and remote wound care services. It was founded well over 10 years ago. And it uses technology, including telemedicine, to improve access and quality for patients who need wound care.

The Chief Information Officer of Vohra Wound Physicians is Dr. Christopher Leonard. I interviewed Dr. Leonard about his career journey and informatics as a nonclinical career opportunity in PNC Podcast Episodes No. 91 and 92.

The President of the company, John Sory, is also on today’s show. He will tell you about Vohra Wound Physicians, and to encourage you to check out a job with the company because it is expanding and recruiting physicians.

If you’re thinking of pursuing a career that uses this technology, for all the reasons we discussed today, then you should definitely go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/woundcare to get more information about Vohra and its job opportunities.

And check out the show notes for other links for this episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/newest-telemedicine-supported-specialty/.

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Today’s guest, Dr. Jill Wener, found a new passion and pursued it while working as a hospitalist. Then it became obvious to her that her new skills could help burned-out physicians.

Jill obtained her medical degree from Emory University School of Medicine and completed an Internal Medicine Residency at the University of Washington Medical Center, in Seattle Washington.

Today, Jill explains how she fell in love with Vedic Meditation. After beginning her daily meditation practice, the stress and burn out she was experiencing at work melted away.

She discovered that she wanted to help others by teaching them about meditation, and she became a Clinician Wellness Expert. Then she started teaching meditation to others and is now doing it full time.

A nationally-renowned expert in physician wellness, Dr. Wener has published several articles on KevinMD, led physician wellness programs around the country, and lectured at the national level on stress and the benefits of meditation and tapping.

She has been interviewed on multiple TV and radio shows as well as multiple podcasts.

In addition to her online and in-person meditation and tapping programs, Jill leads meditation retreats all over the world. And she is the co-founder and Chief Wellness Officer of the TransforMD Mastery Retreat for Women Physicians. Jill is also the host of the Conscious Anti-Racism Podcast.

You can find the links on the show notes for this episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/help-for-burned-out-physicians.

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Dr. Jessica Lubahn is a urologist, health writer, and consultant. She is also the founder of ONDRwear, an apparel company that sells luxe leakproof underwear. Jessica tells me that she created this company to destigmatize urinary, menstrual, and other leakage through the creation of products that are highly effective and beautiful.

Dr. Lubahn received her medical degree at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Then, she completed her surgical internship and urology residency at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School.

Here are the major steps that Jessica followed in creating her new apparel company:

Identify a problem experienced by her patients.
Create the prototype of a potential solution, in this case, a tangible product.
Research the industry, network, and determine if creating the product is feasible.
Establish the business, and engage an accountant, attorney, and other necessary professionals.
For her physical product, create a design or blueprint and find a manufacturer.
Create a website and social media accounts, and develop a marketing plan.
Start selling the product.

The process Jessica followed is quite similar to the way that Greg Hanson started his business in last week’s episode #170.

If you’d like to check out the Onderwear company, go to ondrwear.com. It's a very nicely designed and presented website, and I think you can still get a 15% discount on its well-designed clothing.

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Dr. Greg Hanson decided to start a business that provides the latest way to connect doctors with interesting jobs.

Greg is a PGY-3 interventional radiology resident in Philadelphia. He graduated from UCLA with his BS in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences before moving across the country to New York City. While in New York, Greg obtained his Master of Public Health degree in epidemiology with an advanced certificate in applied biostatistics.

He obtained his medical degree from the Dartmouth Medical School in Hanover, New Hampshire. In June 2018, he started his surgical internship, followed by his integrated interventional radiology residency.

During his first year of diagnostic radiology, he began doing side jobs using his statistical and science background to earn extra money. But the process of finding those jobs was difficult. He believed there should be a better way to link physicians with side jobs and this is sparked the idea for flipMD.

It’s a pretty straightforward business. Find businesses that need the expertise or advice of physicians and connect them with appropriate physicians looking for side jobs. It reminds me of what Upwork does for other freelancers.

I encourage you to check it out at flip-MD.com and give it a try if you’re in the market for a part-time gig advising start-ups or other freelance work.

I’ll put links to the company and other resources mentioned during our conversation at nonclinicalphysicians.com/latest-way-to-connect-doctors, along with other links that were mentioned today.

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In today’s interview, we build on the discussion in Episode 168 by speaking with Dr. Paul Hercock from the United Kingdom about the Medical Device Industry.

Dr. Hercock is an Emergency Medicine physician who started out working for the National Health Service. He graduated from Nottingham Medical School in 2002. After initially training as a surgeon he pivoted into a career in Emergency Medicine. He is a Member of the Royal College of Surgeons of England, and also has a law degree from Nottingham Law School.

While working as a Physician, Paul became increasingly interested in medical devices. He set up and established Mantra Medical, a medical device start-up focused on improving infection control. He later made a move into a full-time position in the medical device sector to work as a medical advisor.

Paul is now a self-employed medical entrepreneur, combining work on his medical device start-up with the building of Mantra Systems, a consultancy business that provides medical and regulatory support to other medical device companies.

His journey from clinical practice to Industry prompted him to write a book for doctors titled Beyond The Ward: A Doctor's Guide to Careers Outside the NHS (this is an Amazon affiliate link).

His book can be found in major bookstores. It should be part of your library if you’re just getting started – alongside 50 Nonclinical Careers for Physicians by Sylvie Stacy and Heidi Moawad’s Careers Beyond Clinical Medicine (also Amazon affiliate links). If you don’t own those three books, then you’re not serious about pursuing a new career that builds on your medical background.

I’ll put a link to Paul’s book in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/medical-device-industry, along with other links that were mentioned today.

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In this week's interview, we take our first deep dive into how to land your first job in Industry. Dr. Nerissa Kreher is a pediatric endocrinologist and the Chief Medical Officer of a biotech company. Today she helps us understand what the term "Industry" means in the context of nonclinical physician careers.

Nerissa received her medical degree from East Carolina University. She then completed her pediatric residency and pediatric endocrinology fellowship at Indiana University School of Medicine.

She transitioned into the biotech/pharma industry early in her career and brings 15 years of experience in the field. She started in Medical Affairs as a Medical Director. She then strategically moved to another company to gain Clinical Development experience and expertise.

She has worked in small to large biotech/pharma organizations including both private and public companies. Along the way, she completed an MBA from Northeastern University.

She is passionate about her work and wants to help other physicians understand the possibilities for jobs in Industry. She created a coaching program to help physicians transition from clinical practice to pharmaceutical, medical device, and biotech companies. It is called Industry MD Coach.

As a gift to PNC Podcast Listeners, Dr. Kreher is offering a 10% discount on any service from IndustryCoachMD. If you’re considering a career in Industry, go to industrymdcoach.com, look around, and then hit the “Take the First Step” button. When you select and pay for the coaching package you desire, enter the following Coupon Code for the 10% discount: Q5A18F1

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Jordan G. Roberts, PA-C is a medical writer and former neuroscience physician assistant. He is the owner of Modern MedEd, LLC, a company that creates and markets continuing medical education for premier CME providers across the country. It also helps clinicians advance their careers with non-clinical career resources, jobs, CME reviews, and more.

The company connects healthcare professionals with awesome CME they never thought to try, interesting jobs, medical market research opportunities that pay honoraria, and other vendors who make their careers better.

I’m always interested in talking to medical writers and online business owners with free resources for my listeners.

For all of the links mentioned in the episode go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/nurture-a-business

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In today's interview, I am offering a replay of my interview with Dr. David Draghinas, from March 2019, on the topic of short term rentals as a lucrative side business.

As I hoped he would, Dave has created his own course to help physicians to replicate what he has done, i.e., find, manage, and generate income with short term rentals. And I’m really happy to be able to offer access to his course to you.

David has enjoyed a lot of success with short term rentals. He was involved with several long term real estate investments but sold those to focus on his short term rentals. And he created his course to teach you, and provide you with essential tools, such as the AirDNA Market Analysis Tool, to be successful.

I suggest you listen to today’s replay. Then, if it resonates with you, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/rentalcourse to learn more. This is an affiliate link so I will be compensated if you register using my link. Of course, the price to you is exactly the same either way.

And do it quickly, because the course will be closing to new students very soon, and I don’t know when it will be opened again.

Enrollment is ending at midnight on October 25, 2020, so go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/rentalcourse right away if you’re interested.

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In this week's podcast episode, Dr. Meredith Loveless describes how she landed her first nonclinical job as CMO for a MAC.

Meredith earned her medical degree at the University of South Alabama College of Medicine. Then she completed a residency in obstetrics and gynecology at the Medical College of Virginia.

She practiced obstetrics and gynecology with a subspecialty in pediatric and adolescent gynecology for 14 years. She started at Johns Hopkins, then moved to the U. of Louisville and Norton Healthcare.

Meredith has also served in a variety of positions with the American College of Ob/Gyn, and is currently Vice-Chair of Document Review for Gynecology Practices.

In April of 2019, she transitioned to her current position as the CMO of the MAC that covers Jurisdiction 15. And today we’re going to find out...

why she made the switch,
how she found the position,
what advice she has for those looking for a similar job, and,
what she likes most about the job.

For all of the links mentioned in the episode go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/cmo-for-a mac

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In this week's podcast episode, Dr. David Yeh describes how to invest wisely when preparing for a career pivot.

David is a practicing physician, speaker, author, investor, and founder of The Wealthy Doctor Institute. He is also a Registered Investment Advisor.

David is an alumnus of Cornell University and New York University School of Medicine. He is Board Certified in Radiology and Nuclear Medicine, having completed residencies in radiology at SUNY Stoney Brook University Hospital and Nuclear Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania Health System.

In today's episode David addresses several important topics:

How he learned investment principles and followed his dream to become a registered investment advisor,
Why avoiding losses is more important than trying to maximize gains in investments,
How to prepare financially for a career pivot,
The process he followed for writing his book The Busy Doctor's Investment Guide.

You can find other links and our complete interview in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/invest-wisely.

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In this week's podcast episode, I interview Dr. Gretchen Green about how to become an expert witness, and how to open an expert witness consulting business.

Gretchen describes how her expert witness consulting business allowed her to cut back on clinical work, find more freedom, spend more time with her family, and make more money.

She enjoys the work because it is intellectually stimulating and she is helping physicians. And she has recently begun teaching other physicians how to get into this lucrative field.

Gretchen shares some of her tips, explains the personality types that do best, and tells us about her upcoming online course.

For all of the links mentioned in the episode go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/become-an-expert-witness

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John recently read a book called Find Your Zone of Genius: How to Redefine Intelligence, Become an Expert on Yourself, and Make Greatness a Given, by Laura Garnett. Its principles are applicable to physicians struggling to determine if they should remain in medicine, start a nonclinical career, or do something else.

Laura is a performance strategist, speaker, and author. She works with CEOs and executives to identify their unique genius and purpose and leverage them in their day-to-day work.

She has consulted with organizations including Google, Pandora, LinkedIn, and 15Five. Prior to launching her own company, New York City-based Garnett Consulting, she honed her marketing, strategy, and career-refining skills at companies like Capital One, American Express, IAC, and Google.

John found the book so foundational for "seeking" clinicians that he invited the author onto the podcast, and this is her interview.

During the conversation, Laura explains several concepts from the book that will truly help us in our career journey:

What is the Zone of Genius?
How do we find our innate talents?
Why is our purpose more important than our passion?
Why finding support is usually preferable to obtaining advice.
How your core emotional challenge usually determines your purpose.

Laura has developed many tools to help us in our journey of self-discovery. You can find those tools, and purchase the book on her website LauraGarnett.com.

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For this podcast episode, John describes three big communication mistakes that will impair your performance and derail your career.

Here are the MISTAKES - in no particular order…

Choosing the WRONG MEDIUM – usually NOT choosing face to face or telephonic communication as opposed to something else. The more important the message, the more you should be inclined to make it face-to-face.

Lack of CLARITY

So many messages are totally unclear, ambiguous, or incomplete. Several examples are provided during the discussion.

Lack of REPETITION

Have you noticed that awesome leaders often repeat themselves? Important messages must be repeated, in different venues, in different ways, in order to change or reinforce the culture, vision, and mission of an organization.

BONUS MISTAKE TO AVOID

Being Reactive especially when communicating up to your boss.

For links to resources mentioned during our interview, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/communication-mistakes.

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In this interview with Dr. Jennifer Spector, we learn how she transitioned from practicing podiatrist to full-time medical editor for a popular podiatric online journal.

After completing her residency, Jennifer spent several years building her practice. She later began volunteering at one of her professional associations. She chaired several committees and held several leadership positions at the American Association for Women Podiatrists, becoming president of the organization in 2018.

While at the AAWP she had many opportunities to write and edit others' writing for the newsletters and other documents the organization produced. That ultimately led her to her current position as Associate Editor for Podiatry Today.

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In PNC Podcast Episode 159, Dr. Robert Adams talks about non-clinical retirement opportunities that he identified after a long and eventful military and medical career.

Robert "Bob" Adams is a fascinating physician who served in the Navy, became a Navy SEAL, transferred to the army and went to medical school, and served as a physician in the army medical corps. After leaving the military, he opened an award-winning private practice, published two books, and is now in retirement.

We hear about all of those adventures, his experiences publishing his two books, and the interesting part-time volunteer and paid positions he has landed since retiring.

For links to resources mentioned during our interview, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/nonclinical-opportunities-in-retirement.

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This week, Dr. Jessie Benson explains why she decided to make a major career change after ten years of work as an intensivist. She found that her work was not bringing the joy and fulfillment that she needed.

So, she very intentionally began developing new skills and new certifications before she fully transitioned to her new life. She helped build her house, and now studies and performs music as a cellist, sells her art, and coaches other professionals. She is also a dedicated homesteader.

I think you will appreciate her story. It is very instructive and inspiring.

For links to resources mentioned during our interview, including Jessie's year-long coaching program for women, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/professional-artist.

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In this week's PNC Podcast episode, Dr. Heather Fork describes why your resume is so important and how to optimize it.

Heather completed her medical degree at the University of Texas and her residency in dermatology at the University of Miami – Jackson Memorial Program. And she is a Master Certified Coach through the Coaches Training Institute.

Right out of residency Heather started a dermatology practice. But the shoe didn't quite fit. Heather decided to pursue training as a coach long before it was a popular thing to do. Her clients were mostly physicians.

She founded The Doctor's Crossing in 2010. And she has been helping physicians find careers that bring them more joy and fulfillment ever since. Along the way, she has become an expert in converting your CV into a resume.

In addition to crafting a well-written resume, it's beneficial to find someone inside the company to send it to. It could be the recruiter themself, or a physician already working at the company. Then the physician can put in a good word, and make it more likely for your resume to be read and acted on.

Finally, if you're early in your career, you may need other experiences to fill in gaps in your skills. A simple way to do that is to take courses through a community college or professional society. This will demonstrate your commitment and bolster skills that can be applied in that new job.

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Dr. Nazareth is a gastroenterologist and Chief Medical Officer of a data privacy company. She is an advisor to multiple startups and venture capital funds locally and internationally.

She sits on the medical advisory board for Women's Health Magazine and is an advocate for teaching digital literacy to all healthcare professionals.

She completed her medical degree at Brown University, and her internal medicine training at New York-Presbyterian Hospital - Cornell. Then she pursued fellowships in Transplant Hepatology and Gastroenterology at New York-Presbyterian Hospital – Columbia.

Samantha has been interested in cutting edge healthcare technology even as she was completing her fellowships. She still practices gastroenterology part-time, but she is increasingly drawn to her roles in technology start-ups.

Her journey began with networking. She knew a lot of physicians that were in the tech space and reached out to them.

We are students at heart. We are very good students, so just stay curious. - Dr. Samantha Nazareth

Eventually, she was drawn to the realm of emerging technology, or health technologies that are not fully adopted yet. Examples include 3D printing, virtual reality, augmented reality, and genomics.

Balancing work in the clinical and technology worlds can be a challenge. For Dr. Nazareth, part-time clinical activities are the anchor, and dedicated time for the tech activities generally works around that.

A technology business is fast-paced, however, especially in an early-stage start-up. Think early mornings, late nights, and weekends. But it is also very exciting.

For links to resources mentioned during our interview, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/healthcare-technology

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Dr. Kaci Durbin is a medical writer and board-certified obstetrician. She currently works as a regulatory writer for a contract research organization (CRO). In her spare time, Kaci also provides freelance medical writing, focusing on continuing medical education (CME) materials and needs assessments.

Kaci was employed at a private practice for 5 years and then transitioned into OB hospitalist work. She obtained an MBA, believing she would move into a hospital leadership position. But her experiences with management did not support her initial assumptions about the career.

Kaci explored many nonclinical careers on the way to medical writing. In addition to healthcare administration, she performed chart reviews for insurance companies, dabbled in the disability arena, and served as a medical consultant.

She discovered medical writing, joined the AMWA, took a writing course, and began her part-time freelance medical writing career. Initially, she was writing a variety of materials including CME enduring materials, needs assessments, manuscripts, and presentations.

Then she began working as an independent contractor for a CRO. She now works there as a full-time technical medical writer focusing on regulatory documents.

Check out our show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/technical-medical-writer for all of the links mentioned in today's episode.

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Earlier this year, I was a participant in the Leverage & Growth Virtual Summit, organized by Dr. Peter Kim from Passive Income MD. It was a unique experience with about 50 experts providing valuable mentoring and teaching over 2 weeks. I had a lot of fun participating and watching the other videos that were posted. Many of you told me you also found it very helpful.

So, I wanted to get Peter on the podcast to learn about his background. Is he still practicing? Why did he create Passive Income MD? What new projects has he developed? Why is real estate investing such a good side hustle?

As I have interacted with physicians seeking nonclinical careers, I found that many achieve the same fulfillment and balance by engaging in side hustles and a clinical career.

You’ll remember, perhaps, that Peter Steinberg really loved his work as an expert witness, while still practicing urology. And Dave Draghinas balances his practice with his podcast and short-term real estate investing. Ideally, we ought to be passionate about these endeavors and they should help diversify our income.

Today, Peter discusses several important topics:

Why we should all diversify our income streams;
Why real estate investing is such a popular choice for passive income;
Which real estate investing options are ideal for busy professionals; and,
The Passive Real Estate Academy that he and his team have relaunched this month, and why you should enroll.

Peter really knows real estate, and it is so cool that he has spent the time and energy to create a place where we can learn from his successes and failures.

To learn more, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/prea (this is an affiliate link).

Check out our show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/private-real-estate for all of the links mentioned in today's episode.

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In this episode of the PNC podcast, John describes nine excellent books that will help to educate you as you begin your career journey.

The first two books will get you in the right frame of mind. And provide tools for you to apply to overcome some of the self-limiting beliefs that might hold you back.

Then John presents four books specifically written to assist physicians in their search for a nonclinical career.

The last three books are written to assist in your transition to personal-brand entrepreneurial endeavors, freelance consulting, a cash-only clinical business, or locum tenens.

Locums can bring more freedom to your medical career, or serve as a bridge to one of the nonclinical jobs.

Check out our show notes at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/excellent-books for all of the links mentioned in today's episode.

Check out the Clinicians Career Cooperative here.

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Nii Darko received his medical degree from Kansas City University of Medicine & Biosciences, and an M.B.A. in Health Care Leadership from Rockhurst University. He completed his General Surgery residency at Morehouse School of Medicine and a Trauma/Critical Care fellowship at the University of Miami. Nii is a Fellow of the American College of Surgeons.

Nii hosts Docs Outside the Box, an Apple Podcasts Top 100 podcast. There he highlights stories of doctors doing extraordinary things outside of medicine. He also runs his locum tenens business, Equal Access Health, where he empowers physicians to achieve the lifestyle they deserve.

Docs Outside the Box has become a very popular podcast, inspiring many physicians to pursue their dreams. It has also inspired other physicians to produce their own podcasts. Listening to his podcast was one of the reasons that I started this podcast.

Nii has decided to slow down his clinical activities and focus more on his online businesses. He is passionate about helping physicians earn more in their locum tenens jobs. And he wants to expand his coaching and teaching.

You really have to love what you do and be passionate about it. - Dr. Nii Darko

He would also like to see more collaboration between physician podcasters. And he loves to show the pre-meds and medical students that there are other ways to apply your medical education than just traditional clinical work.

Check out our show notes at https://nonclinicalphysicians.com/inspirational-podcaster for all of the links mentioned in today's episode.

Check out the Clinicians Career Cooperative here.

Find out more about joining the Nonclinical Career Academy here.

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Dr. Maiysha Clairborne returns to the podcast as part of a masterclass that we prepared for the Nonclinical Career Academy. In this excerpt from the masterclass, Maiysha addresses mindset issues commonly experienced by those pursuing a career pivot.

Maiysha maintained an Integrative Practice for 10 years and is trained in neurolinguistic programming. NLP helps overcome mindset traps and limiting beliefs. It is a way of listening and speaking that allows you to be able to get at the source of your life.

During the conversation, we discuss overcoming self-limiting beliefs that prevent us from achieving our goals. And Maiysha explains how NLP principles can be applied to negotiating and selling.

Check out our show notes at How to Overcome the Most Common Mindset Traps for all of the links mentioned in today's episode.

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In this episode of the Physician NonClinical Careers Podcast, Dr. Errin Weisman and John talk about coaching, telemedicine, podcasting, and Errin's soon-to-be-released course, "How to Go From Burnout to BadAss".

Errin discusses how her coaching journey began. She was working in a typical medical practice and realized she couldn't do that for the next 30 years of her life. So she sought coaching for herself. And it was so helpful, she later decided to become a certified life coach to assist others.

She goes on to discuss how her Doctor Me First Podcast has grown and evolved. She also describes the founding of the Physician Coaching Alliance.

Errin will be releasing her new course soon. If you're feeling burned out; if you're feeling stuck; if you're feeling disillusioned with medicine; it's an online course with weekly meetings to move you from a place of burnout to "total badassery," according to Errin.

Check out our show notes at How to Go from Burnout to BadAss for all of the links mentioned in today's episode.

Check out the Clinicians Career Cooperative here.

Find out more about joining the Nonclinical Career Academy here.

Get a FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.

Finally, it's not too late to sign up for the Physicians Helping Physicians LIVE Virtual Conference starting on July 10, 2020. To learn more about the conference go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/next.

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In this episode of the Physician NonClinical Careers Podcast, I compare the Clinicians Career Cooperative with the Nonclinical Career Academy.

I know this may sound like a 30-minute promotional spot, but I don't look at it that way. I've been creating new resources for "seeking physicians" since I started my podcast three years ago, and, honestly, it gets a little confusing at times. Partly it is because I had these opportunities and went ahead and developed them, rather than waiting until the perfect moment.

When you're starting a new project, you're better off focusing intently on one at a time, and that's definitely what I recommend. But there was a need and I wanted to fill it. So, I didn't really see the point in postponing the Cooperative even though it was right on the heels of the Academy.

During my monologue, I describe in great detail the differences between the Cooperative and the Academy.

Check out the Clinicians Career Cooperative here.

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This week, I present an excerpt from a live presentation from the What to Consider Next Nonclinical Careers Virtual Conference in July. This live, interactive conference is being presented by Michelle Mudge-Riley and Physicians Helping Physicians. She has recruited many well-known experts in physician career transition to speak and mentor at the conference.

And although it is a virtual online conference, it is not prerecorded. The presentations will be done live, and there are several opportunities to network with the faculty and other attendees. And there are additional expert mentors and coaches joining the networking sessions.

Michelle was kind enough to invite me to talk about what I've learned from my podcast guests over the past three years. And in today's podcast episode, I share part of the content of that presentation.

To learn more about the conference, and to access the show notes for today's episode, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/find-your-new-career.

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In this episode of the Physician NonClinical Careers Podcast, Dr. Sylvie Stacy returns to discuss how physicians can find the nonclinical career that is right for them.

Sylvie has been writing a blog called Look for Zebras for several years. The name comes from a saying common in medicine that goes, "When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses, not zebras."

Sylvie says to do the exact opposite in your career, and look for the rarer, more fulfilling opportunities.

Sylvie has created 2 new, must-have resources for "seeking physicians." The first is her new book 50 Nonclinical Careers for Physicians: Fulfilling, Meaningful, and Lucrative Alternatives to Direct Patient Care (affiliate link). She wrote the book to help physicians:

Understand what nonclinical career options are available to them; and,
Help them match their skillsets to the right opportunity.

The second is her Nonclinical Careers Quiz. This personality-based assessment asks 50 questions, such as:

What type of work makes you feel most rewarded?
What activities do you enjoy participating in?
Are you introverted or extroverted?
How do you enjoy spending your free time?
Are you willing to travel for your job?
Is it important for you to be able to work from home?

After completing it, you are provided a nonclinical career that aligns best with your choices. You can find it right on her blog and it is free to everyone.

In the episode, Sylvie also answers questions common for physicians who are in transition. She offers responses to those who may feel too unqualified or inexperienced to take on a new role and to those who may feel a moral obligation to practice medicine.

Don't miss this insightful conversation with one of the most knowledgeable physician career transition authors around.

You can access links to Look for Zebras and Sylvy's Quiz in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/dump-an-awful-career.

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In this episode of the PNC podcast, Sarah Campbell offers her expert advice for landing freelance assignments to fledgling CME writers.

NetCE is a continuing education company that has been producing online education for health care professionals for many years. Sarah as spent much of her career working there as the Director of Development. In that role, she works with planners and authors to develop the materials NetCE produces.

Continuing Medical Education materials are a major component of NetCE's products. As such, it is constantly looking for new content and CME writers to produce it.

The topics should be timely and widely applicable, and the writing evidence-based and well-supported by references. They should also be topics NetCE has not covered before. It helps greatly if the writer has a genuine interest and expertise in the subject matter.

For example, NetCE worked quickly to develop a course on COVID-19. An established writer for NetCE worked on an expedited schedule to meet the need. In most cases, however, they can predict new course requirements and plan for them in advance.

You can hear Sarah's advice for CME writers, and her overview of the medical writer's process for submitting manuscripts and getting paid, by listening to the complete interview.

You can access links to NetCE and other resources, and learn how to contact Sarah and submit your first manuscript at nonclinicalphysicians.com/cme-writer.

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In this episode of the Physician NonClinical Careers, Dr. Mike Woo-Ming revisits the podcast to tell us about freelance consulting, and discuss his new book, The Positioned Physician: Earn More, Work Smart & Love Medicine Again.

Mike describes the four levels of financial freedom as applied to physicians:

Employee
Business Owner
CEO
Investor

For those who want to start almost any business, including freelance consulting, Mike recommends asking yourself seven questions about the potential niche, for which he uses the acronym "CLEARED":

Do you feel very Competent with the subject matter?
Is it potentially Lucrative?
Does working in the niche Energize you?
Is there an obvious Audience?
Do you have Relationships with others in the field?
Is it Evergreen, rather than a passing fad?
Can you demonstrate Demand as evidenced by others in the niche?

In the episode, Mike also discusses how he became a successful consultant by combining his understanding of medical practices with his curiosity about online marketing.

You can go to positionedphysician.com/freebook to get a copy of The Positioned Physician: Earn More, Work Smart & Love Medicine Again for just a small shipping and handling fee.

And you can learn more from Mike by joining the Nonclinical Career Academy. I've posted a 4-Part Masterclass where Mike continues his lessons about starting your own freelance consulting business. Listeners to this episode can get a one-month FREE Trial for $1.00 includes the rest of our interview using the Coupon Code TRIAL at nonclinicalphysicians.com/joinnca.

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On this special episode of the PNC podcast, Dr. Nneka Unachukwu returns to interview John about the Clinicians Career Cooperative, a new project he is working on.

In addition to hosting the PNC podcast, supporting the Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook group, giving live presentations, and hosting the Nonclinical Career Academy, John is adding a new resource for his followers: the Clinicians Career Cooperative.

The Clinicians Career Cooperative The idea is to create a low-cost forum to bring experts and physicians together in a safe and convenient way.

The Clinicians Career Cooperative is unique because:

It’s more inclusive. Membership in Clinicians Career Cooperative includes clinicians beyond physicians, who face many of the identical challenges.
We recruit experts to serve as Mentors. John and Tom enlist specific experts to provide guidance on a wide array of topics, including how to pursue specific unconventional careers.
You can narrow your search. The forum is structured so it is easier to navigate and you can easily follow multiple topics.
Tasteful promotion is allowed. Experts will be able to offer more in-depth advice by sharing their courses, blogs, and other educational products, without being "spammy."
Members are more invested. Because there is a small monthly fee, only members who are serious about career change will tend to join.
The forum is attractive to Mentors. Our Expert Mentors can join the Clinicians Career Cooperative and reach a growing membership seeking inspiration and guidance.

In addition to access to all of the expert Mentors, by joining this week, you will also receive the following special BONUSES:

And if you join NOW, you will receive over $375 worth of Bonuses:

Guide to 10 Nonclinical Careers for Physicians (PDF) – a 19-page guide that introduces you to 10 popular nonclinical careers, and provides resources for pursuing each one, written by John Jurica
Crash Course Checklist to Becoming a Hospital Executive (PDF) – a brief summary and checklist with the steps any hospital-based physician can follow to land a career in hospital management, by John Jurica
25 Top Nontraditional Careers Video – a broad overview of the most popular nonclinical careers and side jobs, as well as unconventional clinical jobs, with specific details to help you narrow your search
Telemedicine Mastery Course ($100 Value) – a comprehensive course by Tom Davis for any clinician considering telemedicine, that addresses: setting up your legal structure, licensing, liability coverage, selecting a telemedicine technical partner, contracting essentials, and optimizing your income
A Free 2-Month Membership to the Nonclinical Career Academy ($194 Value) – an online learning center for physicians with 15 separate courses addressing mindset, career transition strategies, overviews of home-based and pharma jobs, and in-depth lessons about hospital management, medical science liaison, locum tenens, and medical consulting
$75 off the price of registration to your choice of the July, September or November 2020 NEXT Intensive Series - the Clinical Career Conference presented by Michelle Mudge-Riley where you’ll have the chance to hear from 30 physicians teach you about 25 non-clinical and non-traditional careers for physicians (from physicians who have successfully transitioned!) and get hands-on help with your resume, cover letter and where to find non-clinical jobs

Simply go to https://clinicianscooperative.com, select JOIN NOW, click Sign Up in the Annual Membership, or Monthly Membership, complete the registration, and select REGISTER HERE when done.

I'll see you in the Cooperative!

Find the show notes and all the links here: nonclinicalphysicians.com/clinicians-career-cooperative

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On this week’s episode of the PNC podcast, a dynamic physician couple explains how they applied their passion for real estate investing to develop a popular course that teaches others what they've learned.

This episode brings actionable pearls from two domains: real estate investing and online course creation. This team has spent years preparing for both, starting with their real estate investing business. They have now taken what they learned and put it in a series of lessons and live support. That support and training enable students to replicate what they have done, creating an income stream, and reducing their income tax burden.

Go to the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/create-a-popular-course to access the resources and listen to the interview, or listen on iTunes or another podcast app if you prefer.

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In today's episode, John discusses home based careers. There are three main benefits to choosing a home based career:

Convenience When you work from home, you’re able to manage household responsibilities. Also, navigating childcare or adult caretaking may require you to consider home based careers.
Cost Savings Eliminating your commute means you’ll save time, reduce gasoline and automobile maintenance costs, and save tens of thousands of dollars.
Flexibility Home-based careers offer more flexibility. Though some may require a 9-to-5 workday, most will allow you to choose your hours, including nights, weekends or holidays, if that works for you.

Popular Home-based Careers Here are factors to consider when seeking one of the following popular home-based careers:

Chart Review: Performing chart reviews can be done for utilization management, disability and worker’s compensation assessments, expert witness consulting, clinical documentation, and quality improvement.
Medical writing: As a freelancer, you must set up your own business, and find work inititally. But once you develop relationships with several editors, you should be able to generate regular income, working from anywhere in the world, on your schedule.
Telemedicine: This is an especially flexible career. You must ensure that you are working with a reputable company. You can start by supplementing your income by moonlighting. You need to take steps to reduce your liability. Working at high-demand times, often on weekends and holidays, can boost your income significantly.
Consulting: If you're a consultant working from home, you will likely be freelancing, rather than working for a large consulting firm. You may have to do some traveling and speaking events to build your authority and market your business. But once you get established, most of your business can be done from home.
Coaching: Coaching is another type of consulting. It can be face-to-face, but most is done remotely. You should pick a field based on your personal expertise, and certification is an option.

The show notes and links to resources can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/home-based-careers

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On this week’s episode of the PNC podcast, John explains how affiliate marketing can be a fantastic source of additional income for those in certain nonclinical careers.

Affiliate marketing is a program in which an online retailer pays a commission to an external website for sales generated from their referrals. There are two common ways to participate in an affiliate program:

create an affiliate program for your products and services so other influencers can promote and sell them, and
become an affiliate marketer for an existing product or service.

Here are the four big reasons to become an expert in affiliate marketing:

It may save your business, because it is a quick way to generate income early on.
It’s easy, because the technology is so user-friendly.
It’s efficient and cheap (compared to other ways to market your products).
It’s low-risk.

On the episode, John also offers four bonus reasons why affiliate marketing is especially useful to entrepreneurs. And he explains the two scenarios where affiliate marketing may not be the right way to go.

John finds affiliate marketing as a content creator, and as an affiliate for others, to be fascinating. He intends to learn more about it, and return with more on this topic for you in the future.

Find the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/episode141

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On this week’s episode of the PNC podcast, Dr. Andrew Wilner explains why locum tenens may be the best way to bring freedom and joy back into your career.

Andrew is an experienced internist, neurologist and epileptologist. He is also the author of The Locum Life and a locum tenens expert. This Latin phrase describes someone who fills in for another, like a substitute teacher.

The life of a locum tenens doctor brings some special challenges, but can bring much more freedom and control to your career. The locum life allows you to:

Fight physician burnout by making your own schedule.
Remain in clinical practice on your own terms.
Travel and work in various hospitals in sometimes exotic locations.
Customize the kinds of jobs you accept.

Listen to the episode to hear Andrew’s tips on how to successfully schedule your jobs as a locum tenens doctor, and his perspective on how the pandemic has affected locums around the country.

Go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/episode140 to access more details, links to the resources mentioned during the interview, and a SPECIAL OFFER.

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Dr. Uchenna Umeh, also know as Dr. Lulu, spent the early part of her career in a traditional pediatric practice. When she decided she needed a change of pace, she enlisted in the Air Force. She completed her time there, and entered traditional practice. But she was struck by the extent of the mental health issues in her patients and experienced a harsh wake-up call: a young patient of hers attempted suicide.

Several colleagues and a relative of hers also attempted to end their lives. She was moved by the experiences and felt she was being called to a higher purpose. After seeing the positive response she received when speaking on the topic at her son’s school, she left “penicillin pediatrics” behind and focused her efforts on helping troubled teens.

She honed her message, and started speaking regularly on the topics of bullying, depression and mental health issues in children and teens. Using telemedicine to make ends meet between speaking engagements, Uchenna realized that she also wanted help individual patients, so she opened her direct primary care practice specifically for struggling teenagers.

You can find her story, the she gives to physicians considering a nontraditional career, and links to her books and other resorces in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/episode139

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This week John describes the impact of the Coronavirus pandemic on his urgent care business and his wife, Kay's, home services agency.

Both provide essential services, so they can continue to run during the pandemic. Each has its own challenges, due to reduced demand for services, and the challenge of providing care while avoiding infecting patients, clients and employees in the face of limited personal protective equipment.

John describes the adjustments they made to keep his urgent care clinics open, and the steps Kay took to continue providing care to her clients.

He also describes their initial experiences attempting to access SBA funds through the Economic Injury Disaster Loan and the Paycheck Protection Program.

You can access the show notes and links for this episode by going to nonclinicalphysicians.com/episode138.

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On this week’s episode of the PNC podcast, I provide 7 reasons I believe physicians should consider for completing an advanced business degree. Here they are:

An MBA will differentiate you from your competition and demonstrate a commitment to management and leadership.
You will be able to acquire a job that requires an advanced degree.
In the process, you will gain important applicable skills and knowledge that complement your medical education.
The program will bring powerful networking opportunities with faculty and other students.
The challenge will inspire and motivate you.
Diverse educational experiences will open up career options.
An advanced degree will generally increase your compensation dramatically.

On the the episode, I also compare and contrast the traditional MBA with an Executive MBA, Physician Executive MBA, MMM, MHA and MPH degrees. And I discuss one poor reason to pursue an MBA or comparable degree.

You can find important links and a transcript of the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/episode137

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Charlotte Weeks joins me to discuss the best way to write a resume, especially when seeking nonclinical jobs.

Charlotte is an executive career coach, resume writer and an outplacement consultant. She is an expert in career transitions who has worked with many physicians.

We first met at the Annual Seak Conference, and I subsequently interviewed her for this podcast in Episode 17. She is the founder and CEO of Weeks Career Services.

Charlotte covers all the components of a well-written resume.

Summary: Previously known as the place to state your objective, the top of your resume is where your summary belongs. This is the first glance at the type of professional you are and an opportunity to highlight a skill or qualification that may otherwise be overlooked.
Professional Experience: This is a place to list previous jobs and paid roles as well as descriptions of your responsibilities within those roles.
Education: This includes medical, master’s and bachelor’s degrees.
Additional: This last section is an opportunity to customize the resume based on your background. You may want to categorize your volunteer service or other relevant experiences you would like to highlight.

To hear the entire interview, and access a transcript and links mentioned, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/episode136

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In this interview with Dr. Maria Abunto, we learn why the medical science liasion is a popular nonclinical career. Maria is a global MSL working for a device company.

She received her medical degree at the University of the East in the Philippines, and a master's degree in public health from the University of Pittsburg.

Prior to landing her first job as an MSL, she worked with an IRB in a large children's hopital and then as an epidemiologist and investigator for the National Institutes of Health.

During our conversation, she describes how her work at the NIH and her MPH helped prepare her to apply for a position as an MSL, why she enjoys the work, and resources listeners should use to help them get their first MSL job.

One important resource she describes is the Medical Science Liaison Society, and its CEO Dr. Samuel Dyer, and Director of Development, Heliana Sula. It offers a mentorship program, networking opportunities, live and online courses, and MSL Board Certification.

A transcipt and links to the resources can be found in the show notes at nonclinicalphysicians.com/episode135.

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On this week’s episode of the PNC podcast, Dr. Shirag Shemmassian joins me to discuss a nonclinical career I’ve never considered before: academic consultant.

Shirag was pre-med throughout his college career and planned to be a surgeon. But when the time came for him to apply to medical school, he decided to switch his focus to the area of his research, clinical psychology.

With little direction when he began preparing to attend graduate school, he studied the process that he had to navigate on his own. And he began helping people with their applications 15 years ago. In 2015, he founded Shemmassian Academic Consulting as his way to help more struggling students.

Now he employs dozens of part time consultants, many of whom are young physicians, to help students prepare for the MCAT and the arduous process of applying to medical school.

Learn about this unique nonclinical moonlighting opportunity in today's interview. Go to the show notes for a transcript and links to the resources mentioned in the episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/episode134

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This week I’d like to prepare you for a position as a Hospital Quality Improvement Medical Director. This is a critical hospital role that I found:

intellectually challenging
key to improving patient care
important for achieving and publishing outcome scores to the public, and,
an essential skill set for the future CMO or CQO

By understanding and mastering these concepts, you will be able to articulate your understanding of QI during an interview. And you'll be better able to lead such initiatives.

To listen, download a transcript, and get access to resources mentioned in episode, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com.

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This week I present my conversation with cardiac surgeon Robert Applebaum, who successfully pivoted to a satisfying nonclinical job after a long and successful clinical career.

It was fun to catch up with a friend and colleague who I’ve known for years. We both come from the same hospital where we collaborated on quality improvement initiatives, me as CMO and Rob as Director of the Open-Heart Program.

After a prductive clinical career, like other physicians in physically and mentally demanding surgical specialties, Rob wanted to navigate to a less intense, yet meaningful, career. In today’s episode, he describes his thought process and the path he followed during this critical time.

Rob Applebaum is now a Physician Advisor at AMITA Health. He works on utilization managment, quality initiatives, and with the Clinical Documentation Improvement program at the hospital. And he finds the work very rewarding.

To hear all of the details and download a transcript, go to vitalpe.net/episode132

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In 2007, emergency medicine physician Dr. Lisa Jenks opened Genesis MedSpa. Since it’s opening, Genesis has grown tremendously, moving from a 4-treatment room facility into a 10-room facility in 2012 and then adding an additional three treatment rooms in 2016. Under her direction, Genesis has won the BBB’s ‘Excellence in Customer Service’ award three times.

In addition to providing great medspa services for her clients, Lisa consults with clients who want to start their own medspas.

Lisa has been very busy adding new services to her clinic. It’s amazing to hear about the new techniques that are being developed in the field of aesthetics. It seems to produce an endless supply of new services to add to a medspa.

And a medspa is a popular cash-only clinical business that offers the opportunity to mix procedural services with medical and nonmedical.

Lisa also mentioned her new consulting business, which can be found at Dermaestheticconsulting.com. In addition to teaching clients the business and technical sides of starting a medspa, they also train and certify users in certain procedures. And their consulting clients include physicians, aestheticians, APN, and PAs.

To read the show notes, download a transcipt, and find the links from today's episode, go to https://vitalpe.net/episode131.

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I also like to give you a look behind the curtain every so often, because creating a small business to do coaching, writing, consulting, speaking or teaching may be your new choice of career. And I think you can learn from what I've done to avoid the mistakes I've made along the way.

The three big initiatives I discuss are:

Redesigning my web site and adopting new domain and web site names: NonClinical Physicians and nonclinicalphysicians.com.
Converting and expanding my online Nonclinical Career Academy to a membership program, which will continue to add new lessons each month.
Working with Tom Davis on a Private Forum to be launched soon, which will bring expert Mentors together in one place to support physicians and other clinicians seeking help in their career journeys.

To hear all of the details, listen to this very important episode. To access the show notes, download a transcript, AND link directly to the Nonclinical Career Academy, go to vitalpe.net/episode130.

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For today's episode, John recounts his experiences assisting his wife, Kay, in purchasing and running an in-home care franchise. Involving a franchise is a good way to reduce the risk of failure, compared to starting the business from scratch. Of course, there are franchise fees and royalties that must be paid.

He describes the process they followed to research franchises, identify candidates, and investigate a parcticular franchisor before committing to the purchase. Some of the advice he gives for those thinking about investing in a franchise includes:

Don't expect to replace a full time physician salary with this type of business. It may happen long term, but will take years of continued growth.
Limit your investigation to those with numerous (over 100) franchisees already successfully running their franchises; and,
Be sure to get good legal and accounting advice before jumping in. That includes writing a business plan and having your accountant run 1-, 3-, and 5-year projections using several different growth assumptions.

For the show notes, links and a transcript go to https://vitalpe.net/episode129

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On this week’s episode of the PNC podcast, Paul Esselman returns to the show to discuss physician executive roles in health care.

Paul is the president and managing director of Cejka Search, a healthcare executive search firm that focuses on leadership positions in hospitals and health systems. Paul was our guest in Episode 041 published in late 2018.

In this interview, he describes the growing demand for physician leaders on senior hospital executive teams. He explains that the spectrum of leadership roles for physicians has expanded beyond the traditional Chief Medical Officer and Medical Director roles.

Now, physician leaders must have an understanding of social determinants of health and how to integrate health care for patients across different parts of the health care continuum.

Paul describes new positions in high demand, including Chief Integration Officer and Chief Transformation Officer, and the expectations for physicians entering these roles. And we discuss the education and workplace experiences that will prepare physician leaders for these positions.

To download a transcript of the episode, and access the links to resources mentioned, go to vitalpe.net/episode128.

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Dr. Nicole Rochester is the founder and CEO of Your GPS Doc, LLC, a health advocacy company. Its mission is to educate and empower patients and caregivers so they can effectively navigate the healthcare system.

Nicole is a board-certified physician and Clinical Assistant Professor of Pediatrics. She graduated from the University of Maryland School of Medicine, and completed her pediatrics residency at Children's National Medical Center - George Washington University.

Nicole was inspired to launch her company after caring for her late father. She uses her inside knowledge of the healthcare system to advocate for her clients, overcoming the barriers that interfere with timely, effective, patient-centered medical care.

Nicole is also a nationally recognized speaker, best-selling author, and media expert.

The more I heard Nicole describe what she is doing, the more I believed that this would be a fulfilling career for physicians. It enables navigators to help patients in a meaningful way, but without the hassles of electronic medical records and other annoying aspects of modern medical practice.

To access the links in the episode, and download a transcript, simply go to vitalpe.net/episode127

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Since I want to focus on pharma jobs this month, I decided to do something a little different with this episode of the podcast. I’ve taken the best parts of my interviews with Drs. Savi Chadha and Linda Ho, from Episodes 50 and 51, and combined them to bring a very focused guide to getting your first MSL job.

It was interesting to hear how Savi and Linda agreed on several topics, yet each with their own perspective. I tried to capture the most pertinent and useful information from the two interviews. Several useful resources were mentioned by my guests, which include the following:

The MSL Society
The Medical Affairs Professional Society
Samuel Dyer’s book The Medical Science Liaison Career Guide: How to Break into Your First Role

They did not mention them, but there are other resources you should be aware of:

The book All Medical Science Liaisons Started with No MSL Experience by Jane Chin, Ph.D.
The MSL Institute

Finally, if you’re really serious about pursuing this career, I created a complete course that covers all of the above information, plus:

How to use LinkedIn to network and find jobs.
Why prepare a resume rather than a CV.
Where to look for job postings.
How to prepare for your first interview.

You can access my MSL course at the Nonclinical Career Academy at vitalpe.net/mslcourse.

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Dr. Gerald Diaz is a former computer software engineer who created an online medical image repository that provides significant cognitive offloading to busy clinicians.

Gerald started as a software engineer. Then he discovered that he yearned to have a more tangible impact on people’s lives. So he pursued his medical education.

He received his medical degree from the St. Louis University School of Medicine, and completed his residency in internal medicine at UC Davis. He is a full time hospitalist.

After successfully practicing medicine for a time, he found himself wanting to apply his technology background to solving medical problems. And what started as an idea and a hobby is now positioned to become a successful business.

His company, GrepMed, is a crowd-sourced, searchable medical image repository. It makes high yield diagnostic and management algorithms, guidelines, checklists, evidence summaries, clinical images, and videos easy to find and accessible from any web browser.

You can find a transcript of the interview and links to the resources mentioned today at vitalpe.net/episode125.

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This week, I bring you my conversation with a former academic pediatrician who transitioned to a career as medical director with a contract research organization, or CRO.

Dr. Michelle Bailey received her medical degree from State University of New York (SUNY) Downstate Health Sciences University and completed her pediatrics residency at Duke University Medical Center. She trained in the Integrative Medicine Fellowship through the University of Arizona, and served on the faculty of Duke University School of Medicine for many years.

She is also a life and career coach, helping other physicians find fulfillment and balance in their personal and professional lives. You may notice during the interview that she has the heart of a coach and mentor.

Michelle helped me get a better understanding of the options for physicians in the pharmaceutical industry. I now understand the difference between the medical director working in medical affairs or safety and pharmacovigilance, the medical monitor, the medical science liaison, and the clinical research associate.

If you’d like to access a transcript of the episode and links to the resources mentioned during our conversation, go to vitalpe.net/episode124.

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Dr. Nneka Unachukwu loved being a pediatrician. But 15 months into her first job, she was faced with the decision to move to a different employer, or start her own practice.

With encouragement from her first employer/mentor, she decided to start her own practice. To do so successfully, she immersed herself in the business side of private practice, and quickly acquired the skills needed to grow a profitable medical business.

She began teaching others how to implement the same skills in their businesses, and developed a consulting and teaching side business called EntreMD.

She now has clents across the U.S. and internationally. She teaches marketing, branding, and running a business. She also teaches clients to apply those principles personally as an intrapreneur, when working for someone else, as the way to quickly advance their careers.

All of the links for today's episode, and a transcript, can be found at https://vitalpe.net/episode124.

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This week, I want to discuss the process of making the decision to leave clinical medicine and create a new vision for your future.

If you're like me, you have reached the point where you realize that there is something wrong in your medical career. It’s not meeting the expectations you had when you chose it. Even worse, it has actually become destructive.

Working in the grind of "corporate" or "assembly line" medicine doesn’t feel right. You wanted a career that brings joy and fulfillment. Instead you're becoming more and more unhappy.

What has brought you to this point? Well - Consider these questions:

What inspired you to become a physician?
How old were you when you made that decision?
Has your career in medicine been anything like what you expected?
If you were to describe your ideal life and ideal job, does it look ANYTHING like what your life looks like now?

And what have you done to address the situation?

Have you spoken to someone, such as a mentor or the HR department about your dissatisfaction and tried to find a solution? Has that attempt already failed?
Are there simple fixes that you've tried to implement, like working in a different department, or moving to a different group or system?

It's likely that the requirements of current day medical practice in a corporate environment are not compatible with your vision, needs, or values.

Practicing high volume assembly line medicine is not satisfying to the physician OR the patient. Facing at least a 50% chance of being sued by a patient in your career, you might look at each as a future litigant, rather than a patient.

If you find yourself feeling these and other soul-crushing thoughts, then its time to say "I’VE HAD IT!" and move on.

I describe 3 reasons why today might be the day to finally scream "I've Had It! After that, you can get serious about pursuing a wonderful career that builds on your medical background.

For a transcript and links to resources mentioned in today's episode go to vitalpe.net/episode122

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Dr. Nisha Mehta is a writer, speaker and physician advocate who focuses on issues related to life in medicine and the changing healthcare landscape. Her missions include:

addressing the physician burnout epidemic through physician empowerment and cultural change in medicine, and
increasing the business and financial literacy of physicians in order to promote career longevity and satisfaction.

Nisha is also the founder of the Facebook group Physician Side Gigs, with over 50,000 verified physician members. This group is an online community that aims to bring physicians together to discuss and promote business and financial skills, and encourage physicians to think outside the box to create the life in medicine that they want.

After listening to today's episode, you will find a transcript and links to all the resources mentioned in the interview at https://vitalpe.net/episode121.

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In this episode, I have a fun conversation with Dr. Lara Salyer. She is a family physician based in southern Wisconsin who left her employment in a traditional medical practice, and created her ideal consulting practice serving patients in a new way.

She obtained training and certification in funtional medicine and opened a cash-based practice, incorporating holistic methods. As she did so, she brought her creativity into the process. She explains the planning that went into building a truly unique consulting practice that incorporates everything she enjoys about medicine and none of the frustrating aspects that led her to burnout.

We get into the details of her transition (engaging an attorrney, setting up her business, branding, and use of social media), and how online teaching and group visits contribute to her success. Finally, we learn about her side gigs: speaking engagements to young physicians, and an online program she designed to help physicians regain some of their lost creativity called Right Brain Rescue.

As always, you can listen on any podcast app and on the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode120, where you can also find a transcript and links to resources mentioned in interview.

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Why Do We Need to Know Our Customers?

Answer: So we can effectively and efficiently meet their needs through the products and services we produce. However, business owners are often not intentional about attracting their ideal customers. We simply put out a product or service, and sell to whoever shows up. And we become frustrated, because it seems the process is completely out of our control.

But that is an unfocused and generally unsuccessful way to do business. The most successful businesses clearly identify their customers and meet their needs. Absent that, we keep producing podcast episodes, courses, and coaching programs that do not resonate, nor generate sales.

It also means we’re not helping as many of our potential customers overcome their top challenges as we could, which is the basis for our business in the first place. In today's podcast episode, I describe the methods I use to get to know my customers.

To identify my customers’ needs, I ask them to articulate them. Please note that I’m using the terms needs and wants interchangeably. I know that that is not always true. But when buying something, customers usually only buy what they think they need.

Basically, there are only so many ways to elicit information from readers, listeners, clients and customers. In this week's podcast episode, I describe in detail the five ways that I get to know my customers' needs. And I explain a second, not so obvious, reason that doing so is critically important.

I also introduce the free tool that I use to create awesome headlines, titles, and email subject lines.

For access to links to resources mentioned in the episode, and a transcript, go to vitalpe.net/episode119.

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Dr. Jarret Patton is a physician coach, national speaker, award winning author, and podcaster. He worked for many years as a pediatrician and hospital leader prior to beginning his full-time nonclinical activities.

He received his medical degree from Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine, and completed his pediatric residency at New York University and Bellevue Hospitals.

Doctor Jarret is the founder and CEO of DoctorJarret, PLLC, a firm which helps educate, enlighten, and improve healthcare. He does this through his books, coaching programs and public speaking.

His transition was unplanned. It occurred following an unexpected life-altering event. In today’s interview, Jarret explains what happened and how it changed his career trajectory.

I learned about his story after he published his book called Licensed to Live: A Primer to Rebuilding Your Life After Your Career Has Been Shattered. I found the book to be eye-opening.

I think every physician should read it, if only to understand how legally vulnerable we truly are. But it's also a great story about rebuilding after a tragedy, and how helping others allows us to recapture our calling as healers.

You can find the show notes, links to resources mentioned in the interview, and a transcript, by going to vitalpe.net/episode118.

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Have you ever met anyone who is a busy orthopedic surgeon and a partner in a private equity firm? Well, today is your chance.

Marshall Kuremsky set his sights on becoming an orthopedic surgeon early in his childhood. And he took all of the necessary steps to make that happen.

But along the way, he became interested in finance, and in private equity investing. So, he applied the same intense study to that discipline as he did to his medical education.

Marshall is an orthopedic surgeon in Raleigh, North Carolina specializing in sports medicine and hand surgery. He completed his medical training at Columbia University and his orthopedic residency at Carolinas Medical Center, followed by fellowships in Upper Extremity Surgery and Orthopedic Sports Medicine.

While in Raleigh, he broadened his pursuits to include real estate investing, day trading, developing a small health care consulting firm, blogging, and a multimedia social platform promoting news and information about injuries in baseball.

He joined a venture capital firm called LOUD Capital as the Head of Physician Relations in May 2018 and recently became a partner. He continues to balance those activities with his orthopedic practice.

During our interview, Marshall describes his journey and how he balances his nonclinical and practice-related responsibilities. He also tells us about a pitch competition that his venture capital firm is sponsoring, and how you can apply to be considered for $50,000 in capital and in-kind support.

You can find the show notes with a transcript and links to other resources at vitalpe.net/episode117.

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This week I’m thrilled to welcome Dr. Debra Blaine to the podcast. She has worked for many years in urgent care. However, I asked her to join me on the podcast to discuss her new role as a published author.

Debra's educational background is interesting. She was born in New York City and grew up on Long Island, New York. She received her BA in Philosophy and Hebrew at the University of Texas at Austin, before going on for graduate studies in Comparative Religion at Temple University. She attended Baylor College of Medicine to earn her MD in 1987, and has practiced medicine on Long Island for thirty years.

She recently released her medical thriller called Code Blue – The Other End of the Stethoscope. And although she is not a fulltime author, I thought it would be instructive and fun to hear how her writing journey began, and culminated in the publication of a novel.

I was also very interested in supporting the release of the book after reading it, for three reasons. First, it’s a genre that I like and enjoyed reading. Second, because the book’s heroine is a physician facing a worldwide medical conspiracy. And finally, because Debra peppers the story with real examples of the frustrations of medical practice experienced by us physicians in our increasingly dysfunctional health system.

You can learn more about her book, download a transcript and listen to the interview by going to vitalpe.net/episode116. Or you can listen on Apple Podcasts and other podcast apps.

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In this solo episode, John describes how a Facebook Group can grow your tribe and support your business. Specifically, he explains:

How the Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook Group was started;
The history of the group, including its current membership, and recent growth and engagement;
The steps to creating a new group;
The different types of groups;
Why defining mission, vision, values and rules are important;
The duties of the creator or adminstrator;
The best ways to foster engagement, which fosters growth; and,
Recent interest in pop-up groups, and closed groups for online course graduates and conference attendees.

You can download a transcript and read a summary by going to vitalpe.net/episode115.

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Dr. Marjorie Stiegler returns to the podcast to discuss legal landmines that you should anticipate when establishing a nonclinical business. Physicians are subject to specific challenges in this area that non-physicians often are not. These are issues that Dr. Stiegler teaches about in her branding and speaking courses.

Marjorie highlights risks related to:

inadvertently establishing a physician-patient relationship,
selling health-related supplements,
contractual restrictions by employers,
ethical guidelines,
intellectual property rights,
and more.

Once these potential threats are recognized, she advises that an attorney be engaged to help reduce or eliminate such legal risks.

Dr. Stiegler offers a major discount for her signature courses, The Branding Prescription and The Speaking Prescription, to my listeners by using the Coupon Code "PNCPODCAST"

For links to the resources discussed during the interview, and a transcript of the interview, go to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode114.

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On this week's episode of the podcast, John interviews Dr. Jawad Arshad, an emergency physician looking to bring much-needed transparency to the healthcare marketplace. He and his partners also intend to disrupt the health insurance industry by removing insurers from the physician-patient interaction.

Dr. Arshad is an emergency medicine physician. He completed his medical training at SUNY Upstate Medical Center and his emergency medicine residency at Henry Ford Hospital.

After entering clinical work in emergency medicine, he quickly became involved in management, first as an employee, then in his own urgent care business. He pivoted again when he embarked on his first start-up, a technology company in the telemedicine field.

He stepped away from that venture, and applied what he learned about start-ups to a project that has consumed him for the past three years, WoW Health Solutions. This company uses a technology-based platform where physicians can list their services and prices, and patients can comparison shop and schedule their appointments.

By eliminating large billing departments and expensive billing systems, physicians can offer service at lower prices, while keeping more profits. Patients can identify costs and select services with the best combination of access and price for their needs, without being charged high premiums and extra copays.

Jawad takes us through his journey, and describes what it's like to work with business partners and investors when engaged in a healthcare tech start-up. He also explains how his company limits the need for third party payers in the healthcare marketplace.

You can find links to the resources mentioned in the episode, as well as a transcript of the interview, by going to vitalpe.net/episode113.

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This week, John describes why he believes a podcast is an awesome platform for supporting your business and growing your tribe. Then he reminds us why consistency in producing and releasing each episode is critical to achieving success.

Finally, he walks us through the process he follows when producing each podcast episode. And he provides information about a dozen tools that he uses to create a professional-sounding show.

Go to vitalpe.net/episode112 to access the recording, links to the tools, a transcript, and a template of John's pre-interview welcome email that he sends to his guests.

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In today’s interview, Dr. David Norris describes why he became interested in healthcare finances, especially as it relates to running a physician practice.

He completed medical school at the University of Kansas School of Medicine and an anesthesiology residency and fellowship (Cardiovascular) at Vanderbilt University.

He was always interested in the financial and business side of health care and medical leadership, so he has spent years studying those fields. Because of his business finance knowledge, he became the managing partner of his anesthesia group.

He later completed his MBA at the Wichita State University Barton School of Business, and sought certification as a Physician Executive. Then he authored a book.

His book The Financially Intelligent Physician: What They Didn't Teach You in Medical School was published in 2017. He has been teaching, speaking, consulting and coaching for several years.

His most recent career shift was to become a broker specializing in mergers and acquisitions of mid-market healthcare businesses.

You can hear all about David's journey, and his advice for fledgling consultants, and access resources and a free transcript at vitalpe.net/episode111

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In this episode, John describes what he has learned over the past several years about selecting a niche for your online business. He starts by providing examples of physicians who have created businesses from coaching, consulting, teaching, writing and speaking. Each of them has developed a niche based on their expertise and passion, and clients willing to purchase their products and services.

John discusses each of these issues in some detail. Then he outlines a process for narrowing down those ideas to one or two specfiic areas.

Then he discusses mistakes he made, misconceptions about competition, and the best way to identify a good idea before spending too much time and money on a particular product or service.

Go to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode110 to find a transcript of the episode, links to the online businesses he mentioned, and a worksheet for brainstorming your new business ideas.

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Dr. Haneen Abu-Remaileh is a Family Physician with an interest in maternity care. With 2 children under the age of 4, she works clinically as a Locum Tenens physician.

She received her medical degree from the University of British Columbia, and completed a Family Medicine Residency at the University of Calgary.

Haneen is also a physician entrepreneur. She realized that there’s a fundamental problem with physician distribution and recruitment in North America that is exacerbating the looming physician shortage. She decided create a startup business called Locumunity (www.locumunity.com) that creates a centralized online marketplace where job-seeking physicians and medical facilities connect directly through a data and community driven platform.

I was introduced to Haneen by Andrew Wilner from Podcast Episodes 75 and 76. As a locum tenens physician, he has a strong interest in finding and supporting businesses that make it easier to connect physicians with locums positions, which is exactly what Haneen in doing.

During our conversation, you will learn about Haneen's start-up journey. She describes what inspired her, how she pursued her dream, how she integrates clinical medicine with running a start-up, and how an accelerator helped her find coaches and investors.

You can find links to resources mentioned in the episode, and a transcript of the interview at vitalpe.net/episode109.

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Today we learn about freelance consulting with Dr. Christopher Loo.

Christopher is a retired surgeon, serial entrepreneur, investor, consultant, executive coach, best-selling author, and advisor. He received his MD-PhD from the Baylor College of Medicine-Rice University Department of Bioengineering.

He entered an orthopedics residency, but realized quickly that patient care would not be right for him. Once he finished his residency, he quickly began to explore other interests, including real estate, technology, and writing.

As a consultant, Christopher positioned himself at the intersection between technology and medicine. His first role as a consultant was assisting hospitals that were moving from paper to electronic records. He worked with physicians and nurses to get them up to speed with new systems and communicate their needs to the engineers building them.

He has now built a successful business brand and career, authoring three books, and speaking extensively about business, financial freedom, and entrepreneurship to audiences worldwide.

His just-released book is called The Physician's Guide to Financial Freedom: Getting Started as A Consultant: How to Launch and Brand Your Unique Skill Sets to Position, Leverage, and Capitalize on Niche Consulting Opportunities.

You can hear the rest of his story, and his advice for physicians interested in developing a career as a freelance consultant in this week's episode. For the show notes, a transcript, and links to resources discussed in the interview, go to vitalpe.net/freelance-consultant.

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In this episode, John describes the importance of an email list to business owners. Then he describes the methods he uses to nurture his list.

It boils down to the following formula:

Attractive Sign-Up Bonus + Appropriate Placement + Consistency

EQUALS

Growing Email Subscriber List

John provides a detailed description of the lead magnets he uses and the places where he offers them to attract new subscribers.

You can go to the show notes and find links to the resources mentioned in this episode at vitalpe.net/episode107

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This interview is a real treat for me. I’ve invited Tom Davis back on the podcast.

You’ll remember him from Episode 047. Tom is really good at several things, including Medicare Advantage Plans, coaching, consulting, and telemedicine. And he has recently been focused on telemedicine. He wanted to figure out how to optimize the practice of telemedicine to benefit physicians and patients, rather than big corporations.

So, he tested how efficiently he could see patients, and how much revenue he could generate doing telemedicine part time.

As a result, he has become an absolute expert in telemedicine. He even wrote a book called Telemedicine Confidential to help patients understand and use telemedicine appropriately.

And he subsequently developed several useful resources for physicians interested in learning about contracting, getting paid well and on time, reducing liability, etc., which he describes during our conversation.

He also explains why telemedicine may be the best antidote to the frustrations inherent in physician employment, and one of the best ways to generate income while searching for a new career.

Show notes and links to the resources mentioned in today's episode can be found at vitalpe.net/episode106.

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On this week's episode of the PNC podcast, Dr. Helen Rhodes describes how persistence helped her find meaningful clinical and nonclinical jobs that, together, created a delightful career.

Helen is an obstetrician/gynecologist who has completely redesigned her clinical career.

She received her medical degree from the Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center, and completed the Obstetrics and Gynecology Residency Program at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston.

She left traditional practice and began exploring alternative practice options, while also developing a part time job as medical director for a plasmapheresis company.

After some trial and error, she has created a balance in her clinical and nonclinical activities that she finds quite satisfying and fulfilling.

You can find a transcipt and links to resources mentioned in the interview by going to vitalpe.net/episode105.

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This week's episode of the PNC Podcast is the last interview in our series of physician coaches, with Dr. Jattu Senesie, who offers a systematic approach to achieving life and career success.

A native of Washington, D.C., Jattu attended the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, for her pre-med before going on to medical school and her OBGYN residency at Emory University. Upon completing her residency, Jattu returned to D.C. to begin her private practice.

But, like many doctors before her, she experienced burnout without really recognizing it for what it was, as the pressures of full time medical practice mounted. After passing her oral boards, she felt that something was missing, but could not fully articulate it. She realized that she was not happy, and opted to take a 100-day sabbatical to reevaluate her situation.

After the sabbatical, Jattu reorganized her life in every way possible to alleviate her stress. "I made all the external changes that you would think would make things better." For a little while, it worked. However, it was not long before the burnout returned and she made the difficult decision to quit practicing, without her next job lined up, an approach she does not recommend to others.

She tried work as a personal trainer, then found a coach to help her. Then she fell in love with coaching. She started her own coaching service after completing training, and developed her own 5-step system for overcoming burnout.

She tells her story, and describes her 5-step process in detail, in this week's interview.

For links to the resources mentioned in the episode, and a tanscript of our conversation, go to vitalpe.net/episode104.

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Dr. Yvonne Ator is a physician coach who helps other physicians overcome compassion fatigue, disillusionment, and burnout, and thrive in their personal and professional lives. She employs Daring Way Facilitation and positive psychology-based personal and executive coaching to accomplsih this.

Yvonne received her medical degree from East Carolina School of Medicine and a Master’s in Public Health from Johns Hopkins University. She has extensive training in coaching and is a certified personal and executive coach.

She’s also a member of the Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook Group, where she engages with, and helps, other members.

Yvonne’s story is quite inspirational. Several personal experiences, including her father's illness, a friend's death, and a physician strike came together to thrust her into the study and mastery of coaching.

I really admire her commitment and passion. During our conversation, she provided encouragement and advice that we can all apply to our work and personal lives.

I’m fascinated by how many of my guests have been helped by coaching. It’s something we discussed last time in Episode 102 with Starla Fitch. And physicians seem to be a natural fit for becoming a coach, for a variety of reasons:

We’re interested in our patients’ well-being;
We’re analytical; and,
We're very good listeners when we’re not forced to see our patients or clients in an assembly line fashion.

You may have noticed that I’m in the middle of a series featuring coaches. And I’m learning something new from each one. I have one more physician coach to feature on next week's interview. So be sure to listen.

You can find links to resources and a transcript of Yvonne's interview at vitalpe.net/episode103.

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Dr. Starla Fitch is a Certified Executive and Life Coach for Physicians, an international speaker, author of the best-selling book, "Remedy for Burnout," and an oculoplastic surgeon. She's known as "The Connection Doctor" because of her acclaimed TED talk, "Connect or Die: The Surprising Power of Human Relationships." Starla uses her expertise to help the physicians she coaches connect to success on their own terms.

Starla's viral Huffington Post article, "The Secret Lives of Doctors," was viewed by over 100,000 people. She writes for KevinMD, MedPage Today, and has been featured on CBS, NBC, FOX, and NPR.

Starla was initially educated in sociology with a Master’s Degree from Texas A & M University, and worked in the field for two years. But she decided to pursue a medical degree, which she completed at Southern Illinois University School of Medicine.

She completed an internship at Baylor, and then her ophthalmology residency at the University of Washington, followed by a Fellowship in Ophthalmic Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery.

She is somewhat of an icon in the physician coaching world. She has a lot of experience and wisdom. So, I’m very happy that she agreed to come on the podcast and share her thoughts with us.

You can download a transcript and access all of the resources mentioned on the show by going to vitalpe.net/executive-coach.

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Dr. Krystal Sodaitis was an academic pediatrician at the University of Illinois at Chicago. She became interested in insurance medicine, and decided to pursue a career working for an insurance company in utilization review. It took a some time, but she was able to secure a position in a large insurance company in Chicago, Illinois, thereby avoiding the need to move to a new home.

Since beginning her new career, she has truly enjoyed the work she is doing. She has moved into a different role at the same company, and is seeking more leadership opportunities.

In preparation for that, she sought training as a coach. She wanted to incorporate coaching into her leadership style. She then found that she could use coaching to address a clinical issue that intrigued her: the uniques issues faced by gifted adolescent students.

So, she started a part-time coaching business that supplements her work as an insurance company medical director. And she is very fulfilled balancing work in both fields.

In our conversation, she decribes how she gained the necessary experience that enabled her to get her first UM position, and begin her coaching activities.

You can find the show notes and a transcript of the interview at vitalpe.net/coaching-helps.

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In this 100th episode, John looks back over the previous 99 shows and celebrates by presenting updates from nine of his outstanding guests. We hear about the ongoing work and future plans from:

Mike Woo-Ming, MD, MPH
Mandy Armitage, MD
Charmaine Gregory, MD, FACEP
Sylvie Stacy, MD, MPH
Tom Davis, MD, FAAFP
Sue Zimmermann, MD
Savi Chadha, MD, MPH
Peter Steinberg, MD
Emma Hitt Nichols, PhD

Each guest provides encouragement, an update on their careers, and useful advice.

You can access all of the resources mentioned in today's episode by going to vitalpe.net/episode100.

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This week John interviews Dr. Nilesh Dave, a board-certified pulmonologist. Nilesh began to serve in leadership roles well before he understood the full meaning of what that would entail.

His first clinical position required him to start a brand new sleep lab for a large hospital. So, he was thrust into making important decisions and communicating with colleages and decision-makers from the get-go. It wasn't until later that he came to understand the management and leadership principles that would have been helpful during that process.

As a result, he knew early on that he wanted to pursue a nonclinical career with more leadership opportunities. Along the way, he decided to complete an executive MBA, while still working clinically.

He is now medical director at a very large health insurer, and is just starting to fully implement the leadership skills he learned from his previous experiences and his MBA.

During our conversation, we spend time talking about the different types of business degrees, and how and when to commit to obtaining one.

For a transcript and links to resources, go to vitalpe.net/episode099.

To contribute to the podcast and participate in monthly Office Hours, check out my Patreon Page.

To find free and paid courses devoted to nonclinical careers and related topics, go to NONCLINICAL CAREER ACADEMY.

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In this episode, John interviews pediatric orthopedic surgeon, and sports medicine expert, Dr. Alfred Atanda. In addition to running a thriving practice treating young athletes, Alfred has developed a passion for telehealth, having integrated it into his practice.

He has now become an expert in telehealth, and teaches other physicians how to integrate it into their practices. He has also spearheaded the use of telemedicine for peer to peer consultations.

More recently, he has become a speaker and consultant, with a focus on physician wellness, engagement and preventing burnout.

Listen to this episode to learn how Dr. Alfred Atanda developed his fulfilling side hustles by combining his expertise and passions.

You can access the resources mentioned in today's show and a transcript by going to vitalpe.net/episode098.

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In this week's episode, I'll be talking about three of the dumb mistakes I made while building an online business.

I'm focused on an online business that provides coaching, consulting, teaching, publishing, or speaking, and is supported by a platform such as a blog, podcast or video channel.

Here are a few examples of such physician-run businesses:

David Geier has created an online business serving those with sports injuries and other orthopedic problems while still running a busy practice. In fact, his side hustle helps promote and support his practice. He was featured in Episode 049.
Larry Earl founded UrgentCareMentor to help physicians manage the business side of urgent care and occupational medicine services. He was featured in a this blog post,
NegotiationMD, run by Robert Felberg, helps physicians negotiate better employment contracts.
Katrina Ubell runs Weight Loss for Busy Physicians, a coaching service for women physicians that uses online video courses as part of her services, and a podcast to suppport it. She was featured in Episode 035.
Rebecca Kempton provides consultation services to parents of children with sleep problems at Baby Sleep Pro.
Rupy Aujla, based in the UK, writes, podcasts, speaks and sells an online course about health and diet at The Doctor's Kitchen. He has also published 2 books.
Jason Ryan founded Boards and Beyond to prepare medical students for the USMLE Step 1 exam. He still practices and teaches cardiology. He is featured in Episode 81.
Most of us are familiar with the White Coat Investor, who started as a blog and a book, and related financial sites like Passive Income MD and the Physician Philosopher.

The THREE DUMB MISTAKES

Here they are (I provide much more detail in the show, of course):

Not basing the selection of my business niche on my expertise and passion, and my customers' needs and ability to pay for my solution.
Not working aggressively on building my email list from the beginning.
Not networking and collaborating sooner.

You can find a more detailed explanation about my dumb mistakes, and download a copy of the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode097.

Also, if you're interested in supporting this podcast with a small monthly donation to help defray costs, please check out my new Patreon page.

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This week on the Physician NonClinical Careers podcast, John delves deep into the world of healthcare design with his guest Dr. Manuel (Manny) Hernandez. Manny discusses his lifelong desire to be a physician, taking us through his amazing, diverse career.

He is an internationally-recognized physician, designer and healthcare innovation strategist. Since early 2018, he has been Principal, Strategic Innovation/Co-Practice Leader - Healthcare Team at Kahler Slater, a global, award-winning architecture, interior design and environmental branding firm.

He was honored by Healthcare Design Magazine in 2017, as one of their ten most influential people advancing healthcare design. He received his medical degree from the University of Pittsburgh, his MBA from UC Irvine, and his master’s in Strategic Design and Management from the Parsons School of Design. He’s also a Certified Physician Executive.

Manny completed his emergency medicine residency at Temple University Hospital, and continues to practice and teach emergency medicine in addition to his work in healthcare design.

We learn how he left clinical practice to become a leading expert in the intersection of healthcare and architecture. It’s a fantastic story that touches on a variety of options available to physicians wanting to transition out of clinical practice.

Dr. Hernandez has constantly sought to diversify his skill set, starting with an undergrad degree in rhetoric and communication while fulfilling his pre-med requirements. Later, advice from a mentor, Dr. David Nash, cemented his determination to be a leader in healthcare.

Reflecting on his career and the choice to leave clinical practice that facilitated it, Dr. Hernandez recognizes how difficult it was initially. “That was a very emotionally traumatic decision for me… in many ways I felt like a failure. I felt like I had turned my back on medicine.”

But through his experiences in the creative world of design, Dr. Hernandez has learned to embrace his so-called failures as lessons, and has expanded his vision of how nonclinical physicians can contribute to healthcare. “What I’m doing now is actually what I’d set out to do… to change healthcare on a system level.”

You can acces the show notes, links to resources, and a transcript of today's episode by going to vitalpe.net/episode096.

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In this week’s podcast episode, John is alone behind the microphone to describe six nonclinical careers that any discouraged doctor might consider. John has personally spoken with physicians happily engaged in these careers from the ranks of the board-certified and those straight out of medical school.

John reminds us of the tactics useful for pursuing any of these careers:

Create a complete LinkedIn profile;
Network with classmates, colleagues, contacts, etc.;
Join professional organizations in the chosen field;
Join LinkedIn groups in the space you're exploring;
Find a mentor to help guide you.

He then describes specific strategies for these six career options:

medical writer,
CDI specialist,
medical communications,
consulting,
medical monitor, and,
medical science liaison.

Each of these six careers will allow you to apply your medical training to help patients in a unique way. And there is ongoing demand for each of them.

Pursuing them will require previously acquired skills and a period of intense learning. But physicians who have made the transition are very pleased with their chosen new careers.

You can download a transcript, and access links to dozens of resources mentioned in the episode at vitalpe.net/episode095.

John has also created a complete video course that will teach you how to pursue a career as a medical science liaison.

It’s designed to take you from where you are in your career, to your first job as an MSL in the growing pharmaceutical industry.

This career is open to both licensed and unlicensed physicians.

The course is available for a few more days. It will be closed for enrollment soon. And the current price is the LOWEST price at which it will ever be offered.

To learn more, go to vitalpe.net/mslcourse.

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Dana Corriel is an internist, speaker, coach and social media expert. She completed medical school at the Sackler School of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, and her internal medicine residency at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine.

Coaching health care professionals on how to maximize their online presence, she created #SoMeDocs ('Doctors on Social Media') for physicians looking to impact health care and grow their business using available online tools.

Dana is also a writer, iPhone photographer, and creative entrepreneur. You can read her articles on KevinMD, Medium, Doximity and other media outlets. She’s also been writing on her blog, drcorriel.com, since 2016.

Lately she has expanded her efforts with a new business and Facebook group called Doctors on Social Media or SoMeDocs. The Facebook group has been growing quickly. Its members are an engaged group of physicians interested in using social media for their medical businesses and nonmedical careers.

As you can imagine, she’s very active on all of the major social media sites. And she’s developed a following as an expert in the field.

It’s amazing how Dana integrates her clinical careers with multiple creative outlets. I was impressed by how Dana weaves writing, travel, photography, family, business and medicine into her life. And I get the feeling that she’s just getting started.

Be sure to check out the SoMeDocs Facebook group – just open Facebook and search for SoMeDocs. Then visit her new web site Doctors on Social Media – the easiest link to that is at somedocs.com

You can also find SoMeDocs on Instagram and Twitter.

You can find links to the resources mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode094.

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Given my desire to promote physician leadership, I've been looking for an awesome physician executive to interview. Hence, I invited Dr. Barbara Loeb to tell us about her career journey. Barbara started out as your typical hard-working general internist, running a small practice in the Chicago area.

But she subsequently pursued a leadership career that put her in executive positions at several of the largest health systems in Chicago, and in a federally funded health plan.

She started her first formal managment role in the largest health system in the Chicago area, called Advocate Physician Partners, while still practicing as an independent physician in that system.

She agreed to move into the role of full-time VP for Medical Affairs at one of the newly aquired hospitals, where she developed many of the leadership and management skills she would later apply in other positions.

She left Advocate to become CMO for a hospital in the largest Catholic health system in the Chicago area, Presence Health.

She later accepted a position as chief medical officer for a new health plan in Illinois, called Land of Lincoln. I first met her there, when I represented my hospital on one of the committees she chaired for the plan.

She left that position to become CMO for a four-hospital system in Chicago that was part of Tenet Healthcare, a for-profit national health system with dozens of hospitals. When the Chicago hospitals were later spun off, Barbara became part of Loyola Medicine in Chicago, where she now serves as Population Health Associate Chief Medical Officer.

During this wide-ranging interview, we address many issues that face the emerging physician executive. And Barbara provides specific advice about how to prepare yourself for a similar career.

Go to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode093 for links to all of the resources discussed and a transcript of the interview.

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This is the conclusion of my interview with Dr. Christopher Leonard. He is the chief information officer at Vohra Wound Physicians.

In this part of the interview, Chris goes more deeply into how informatics has evolved. And he describes how to successfully pursue such a career. He also explains why he obtained a master's degree in health informatics.

If you'd like to read the show notes, and access the resources mentioned in the interview, you can go to vitalpe.net/episode092.

I recently released my first course. It's called How to Secure a Career as a Medical Science Liaison. You should check it out because it will help you enter the pharmaceutical industry and leave the burnout and frustration of clinical medicine behind. Its a great career.

And the course can accelerate your career transition. Go to vitalpe.net/mslcourse to learn more about it before it closes later this month.

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Dr. Christopher Leonard started his clinical career as a general surgeon and took advantage of opportunities in medical informatics. Initially, however, he was not aware that what he was doing was called informatics.

He was simply trying to standardize and improve wound care for his patients. But as he implemented protocols, integrated them into the EHR, and shared his improvements with others, he took on the role of medical informaticist. He ultimately joined a large wound care physician management company. Now, as its chief information officer, he leads the team that designs and develops its proprietary EHR.

Chris is a graduate of the University of Georgia, Kansas City, School of Osteopathic Medicine. He completed his general surgery residency at the Medical College of Georgia, and Master's in Health Informatics at Northwestern University.

Chris provides a view into his transition from very satisfied general surgeon to Chief Information Officer. And he gets into the details regarding what informatics is, and how it has evolved since he began pursuing it in earnest. Today's episode is Part 1 of this 2-part interview.

I’ll be presenting Part 2 next week. In it, Chris expains how he pursued his interest in informatics, acquired more pertinent skills, and eventually became CIO of his practice. He also gets into how informatics has evolved, and the common roles that he sees currently. He then gets into some detail about how to pursue an informatics career in today’s environment.

You can find links to the resources mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode091. The transcript will include both Parts 1 and 2, so it will be twice as long as the usual transcript.

This episode is sponsored by the U. of Tennessee Physician Executive MBA program, and by my own course, How to Pursue a Career as a Medical Science Liaison. You can learn more about it by going to vitalpe.net/mslcourse. But don’t delay, I’m closing the course on June 29, about four weeks after this interview is released.

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Today’s guest is a great example of a physician in a seemingly awesome career who chose to pivot out of medicine completely. He left a very lucrative field, plastic surgery, and moved into consulting. But it was not an easy transition. And we get to hear all about it in today’s fascinating interview.

George Huang completed his medical degree at Wayne State University School of Medicine. He went on to do a general surgery residency at the University of Health Sciences/The Chicago Medical School, and a plastic surgery residency at the Medical College of Wisconsin.

After he retired as a board-certified plastic surgeon at the age of 40, he hung out his shingle as a professional business coach. But other than a “shingle,” he had no business cards, website, blog, business contacts, or success stories. In spite of this, he created an annualized six-figure revenue stream in 73 days and then doubled it by the end of the year.

Now, with his guidance, systems, and strategies, others have achieved the same. Through his company, Freedompreneur M.D., George helps dedicated holistic physicians accelerate their reach, cash flow, and profitability.

To hear the whole story, go to vitalpe.net/episode090 or listen on iTunes.

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I’ve been fascinated by the medical science liaison career. Its an entry level position in the pharmaceutical industry that is often open to both licensed and unlicensed physicians.

In today’s interview, I speak with an obstetrician who leveraged her clinical work, professional relationships, and networking to obtain her first job as an MSL.

Dr. Swati Shah is a board-certified obstetrician/gynecologist. Since quitting her practice in 2009, Swati has held a variety of different clinical positions including practicing as a locum tenens physician in Hawaii, St. Croix, Maine, Kansas, a Navajo reservation and elsewhere. She also worked as a laborist (OB hospitalist) and a free-lance consultant.

But she landed a position as a medical science liaison through her relationship with an MSL who called on her as a physician influencer. When Swati decided to pursue a nonclinical career, this MSL was able to serve as a mentor to her. Swati says that since working for her company, she has really enjoyed this new career and is very satisfied with what she is now doing.

I have interviewed three other MSLs, but I wanted to highlight Swati for a couple of reasons. First, I met her at the recent Physicians Helping Physicians conference in Austin, TX, in April. And I found her perspective on landing an MSL job very interesting and instructive.

Second, her story demonstrates how an experienced physician can leverage a network of colleagues, and a deep knowledge in a specific field, to land a first MSL position after one interview. Some of the MSLs I’ve spoken with who are med-school graduates but not residency-trained, took quite a bit longer to get an interview, and endured multiple interviews before being hired.

I’ve just created a free mini-course on how to become an MSL, based on a complete course I'm creating. You can find the FREE mini-course by going to vitalpe.net/msllecture.

In it, I cover the major resources you should use to pursue this career. It’s the first of several free courses in the works.

You can find links to the resources mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode089.

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Today's interview is loaded with practical advice on how to pursue a job as a medical director for a health plan. My guest, Rich Berning, helps tease out the various roles within that career, and also explains related jobs with an Independent Review Organization and a hospital UM department.

Rich is a full-time medical director. His first job in the field was with Anthem in Albany, NY. After working there for 5 years he recently accepted a promotion with another insurance company, in Pittsburgh, PA.

Prior to entering the health plan world, Rich practiced pediatric cardiology for 20 years. He graduated from the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine. He completed his pediatrics residency at Stanford University and his cardiology fellowship at the University of California San Francisco.

I really enjoyed hearing about Rich's journey. He described in detail the duties of a health plan medical director. He compared utilization management, utilization review and case management for us, and how each fits into his work with a health plan.

Rich described what he likes about his role, the expected salary range, and how to pursue this popular nonclinical career.

You can find links to the resources mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode088.

I’ve got one more interview with one of the speakers from the Physicians Helping Physicians conference coming up. I’m circling back to medical science liaison Dr. Swathi Shah next time, because I’m getting ready to release a free-mini course on how to become an MSL.

If you'd like to be notified when the new course is released, simply join my mailing list at vitalpe.net/newsletter.

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I have a very interesting story this week – it’s with an entrepreneur who has spent the last 4-½ years developing his international start-up company. He is not a physician, but he presented one of the workshops at the recent Physicians Helping Physicians Nonclinical Career meeting in Austin Texas.

Matt McGuire is the classic Silicon Valley entrepreneur, outgoing, totally committed to his company, sleeping only about 30 hours per week. Yet his company is not based in Silicon Valley, and it’s kind of a health care technology company with a product designed to save lives and improve health care for millions of patients around the globe, by making medications safer.

However, it is not a pharmaceutical company. It is a company that sells an anticounterfeit technology called SafeStamp that can help reduce or eliminate the sale of counterfeit medications responsible for hurting millions of patients around the world.

So, who is Matt McGuire? Well, before he entered the Wharton Business School, he was a soldier deployed to Iraq for four years. While there, he discovered that terrorist groups were generating millions of dollars in cash to support their operations by selling fake medications.

With a little research, he learned that AROUND THE WORLD, fake drugs were a MASSIVE problem. Globally, 15% of medications are fake, and even poisonous, resulting in over 1 million deaths to date.

In some countries, 50% of the medications being dispensed are counterfeit. That means they are at best placebos, and at worst deadly poisons.

So, when Matt was looking for a business to start while at Wharton, it became obvious to him that developing a technology to eliminate counterfeit medications could be a HUGE opportunity.

He told us that the market for anti-counterfeit packaging technologies for pharmaceuticals alone is something like $100 billion. And there are whole markets beyond drugs where the anti-counterfeit technology can be applied.

During our conversation, Matt mentions SafeStamp – the name of the technology and of the company. It is basically a stamp, sticker or label that incorporates nanotechnology that cannot be copied. It’s similar to the holographic stamps you may have seen applied to packages of software to ensure it is not a knock-off.

But those have already been copied and no longer work well in ensuring authenticity. Matt tells me that his patented nanotechnology produces a unique reaction and color change – an orange or blue glow - by blowing on or touching the label that cannot be duplicated by counterfeiters.

To access the show notes with all of the resources Matt mentions, go to vitalpe.net/episode087.

I'll soon be releasing a free mini-course about Medical Science Liaisions as part of my Nonclinical Careers Academy. To follow its release, sign up for my newsletter at vitalpe.net/newsletter.

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In this week's interview, Dr. Lynn Marie Morski explains why quitting is critical to creating a fulfilling life. It's an activity with a bad rap, since strategic quitting is crucial to advancing our careers, and improving other important domains of our lives when done properly.

Lynn Marie is a Family Physician, Sports Medicine expert, attorney, author of Quitting By Design, founder of the Quitopia Facebook Group and producer of the Quit Happens Podcast. She has clearly given this topic much thought and study.

During our conversation, Lynn Marie describes some of the important quits in her life, and powerful examples of strategic quitting she has discovered through her coaching and podcast interviews. And she explains why we should quit perfectionism and being a "yes - maybe" person.

Your eyes will be opened to the magic of proper quitting during this inspirational session with Lynn Marie.

You can find the episode at vitalpe.net/episode086. If you prefer, you can listen on iTunes.

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Today I have the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Marjorie Stiegler. She is an expert in branding, online marketing and course creation. And she’s an entrepreneur, author and accomplished keynote speaker.

Marjorie is an anesthesiologist and Adjunct Associate Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She is an expert and national speaker on patient safety, simulation, medical decision making, cognitive errors, and critical event debriefing.

She completed medical training at Emory School of Medicine, Internship at Georgetown University Medical Center, and Anesthesia Residency at Massachusetts General Hospital.

In today’s interview, we learn about the maternity active wear business she started in 2009. She describes her early forays into online branding and marketing. We get into the weeds a little about how she develops and delivers her online courses. It’s a fascinating conversation and I feel like we’ve just scratched the surface.

Marjorie’s story is so interesting and varied. For those of us interested in creating an online coaching or consulting business, she can teach us so much. Her online marketing and branding skills can help us with promoting our clinical or nonclinical activities.

And for those of us who want to develop online courses, her story is vey inspiring.

You can find links to the resources mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode084.

I’ve got some exciting interviews coming up with speakers from the Physicians Helping Physicians networking conference over the next few weeks. Thanks for joining me today.

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The first PHP Networking Conference was held on April 6 and 7, 2019 in Austin, Texas. Michelle Mudge-Riley opened the conference and the founding members described their career journeys for the attendees.

Faculty presented multiple workshops, and served as mentors. John partnered with Dr. Jay Dave for a discussion of six careers open to non-residency trained physicians. He presented a session about podcasting with Dr. Jesse Lopez. And he also provided an overview of hospital management careers.

The participants were very enthusiastic and engaged. Dozens of nonclinical careers were discussed. And mentors provided individual coaching for attendees.

For the show notes, go to vitalpe.net/career-conference

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I’ve always been fascinated with hospital QI work. And I’ve been looking for a guest who can describe in detail how to pursue such a career.

I heard today’s guest discuss his journey at a conference last year, and I thought he’d be able to explain the how and why of such a career to us. So, I'm very pleased to present my recent conversation with David Lucier.

David is Director of Quality and Safety for Hospital Medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital. He’s also Associate Medical Director for Specialty Programs and Clinical Collaboration at Partners Healthcare in Boston.

He received his MD and MBA from Tufts University School of Medicine, and a Master's in Public Health from the Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health. He completed his internal medicine residency at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and then completed the Harvard Medical School Fellowship in Patient Safety and Quality, sponsored by CRICO, the Harvard malpractice insurer. He continues to practice medicine as an academic Hospitalist at MGH.

He is truly an expert in applying QI processes in the hospital environment.

In this interview, David explains why he likes QI work so much. He also sorts through the educational options for pursuing such a career if you’ve already been in practice for a while.

David gave us a lot to think about. If you’re interested in pursuing this kind of career, he suggests two major steps to take:

Volunteer to help out on quality and safety projects at your hospital;
Decide which learning opportunities make sense for you, including individual courses, certifications, a fellowship or an advanced degree.

You can find links to the resources David mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode083.

Next week I’ll have a wide-ranging interview with a successful online marketing expert, course creator and professional speaker who still practices anesthesia part time. And I'll provide a qucik review of the first Physicians Helping Physicians Networking Conference.

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Dr. Jason Ryan was practicing cardiology and teaching medical students at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine. He created educational videos to help his students pass their USMLE Step 1 board exams.

The students found the videos very helpful, and began sharing them with their classmates. Jason enjoyed creating the videos and students wanted more. So, about five years ago, he created and funded his business, Boards and Beyond, and built a web site where his educational videos could be hosted. He continued to build his library, hired additional help, and now has over 450 lessons covering all content areas of the USMLE Step 1 board exam.

His business continues to grow and add new services, all dedicated to helping medical students prepare for their boards. The visits and downloads have grown by word of mouth. There are now thousands of visitors to the site each week.

The costs to students have been kept very affordable, while producing a healthy financial return for Jason's business. For physicians looking to start a profitable online part-time business, this is an excellent model to emulate.

The show notes for ths episode can be found at vitalpe.net/academic-need.

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This is a solo bonus episode in which John provides a short summary of the presentation he is giving at the first Physician Helping Physicians Nonclinical Career Conference. The conference is being held in Austin, Texas in April 2019.

During the discussion, John answers the following questions:

What are the most common senior hospital management positions for physicians?
Why is a career in hospital management so attractive?
How can we discover the salaries that nonprofit hospital executives are being paid?
What are the five domains in which physicians typically need training and experience?
How can physicians acquire those experiences?
What specialties most easily lend themselves to moving into hospital leadership?
How do we find openings in the field?
How do we prepare ourselves for the interview process?

By applying the ideas presented in this episode, physicians can begin their journey to a very lucrative and fulfilling career as a hospital executive.

Show notes can be found at https://vitalpe.net/career-in-hospital-management/

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This week, I'm learning about investing in short-term rentals from Dr. David Draghinas. David is a full-time anesthesiologist located in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

He received his medical degree and anesthesia training at the University of Southern California. Following his residency, he spent 3-1/2 years in the Navy, mostly at the Naval Medical Center in San Diego, before moving to Dallas.

In addition to his full-time anesthesiology practice, he is the producer and host of the popular podcast DoctorsUnbound and an avid real estate investor.

He believes there are many talented doctors doing amazing things that he wants to share with his audience. On his podcast, Dave helps physicians reach the next rung of success by learning from peers that have gone before them.

He also believes that the decreasing prestige and autonomy of physicians in today’s practice environment contributes to physician burnout. And he wants to combat that. Hence, he’s also committed to providing a positive image for the physician community on his podcast.

Finally, Dave has had a long-term interest in real estate. He has become an expert in short-term rental properties, such as those listed on Airbnb. Since real estate investing can be a lucrative side hustle that many physicians find fun and profitable, I thought it would be a great topic for today's interview.

He explains the origins of his interest in real estate. Then we get pretty deep into the tactics he uses to conquer the short-term real estate game. He shares resources he’s identified and essential advice for those thinking about jumping in.

I’ve come to appreciate Dave very much since getting to know him over the past year or two. He’s committed to using his podcast to help physicians regain a positive image, fight burnout and apply their talents to interests beyond clinical medicine.

You can find links to the resources mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode079.

Be sure to check out his podcast at DoctorsUnbound.com. He has contact information on his website. You can also find Dave on LinkedIn.

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In this mini solo episode, John relates what he's learned about networking since starting the podcast. Networking has been an important and powerful strategy for many of his guests.

He provides examples of various forms that networking takes. And he offers his ideas on how to integrate neworking into your job search.

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This week I have a conversation with a great guest, Dr. Christian Zouain. He came to the U.S. after completing medical school in the Dominican Republic. Once here, he worked on completing his boards and applying to residencies. In the meantime, he began working as a medical assistant and scribe.

He was able to transition to utilization management and made the decision not to pursue a residency position. But his role in UM did not fully capitalize on his medical background.

So he began looking for his next career pivot by actively networking and looking for other positions. He discovered clinical documentation improvement, and it seemed to be an ideal way to apply his medical background and support hospital physicians.

He joined the Association of Clinical Documentation Improvement Specialists (ACDIS) and enrolled in a coding and ICD-10 course. By stepping up his networking efforts, he located a nearby hospital that was holding an open house for physicians interested in CDI work.

He attended and was offered a job as a result. Since then he has become a CDI expert, and is now serving as a CDI advisor remotely with his new employer.

He loves his work. He believes he is adding value to the hospitals he serves, and to the physicians who struggle to understand complex coding and documentation guidelines.

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Dr. Andrew Wilner is a neurologist and epileptologist who spent years as a full-time medical writer. Now he is Associate Professor of Neurology at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center where he provides direct patient care and teaches neurology residents on the inpatient and outpatient services.

In Part 1, we heard about Andrew’s journey from internal medicine in the U.S., to neurology training in Canada, from clinical medicine to full time medical writer and back. We’ll also hear about his very early locum tenens-like position working in an emergency room.

In Part 2, Andrew describes his return to clinical medicine.

Prior to taking his current position at the U. of Tennessee, he phased back into practice doing locum tenens work. It was those experiences that led to writing and publishing his latest book The Locum Life: A Physician’s Guide to Locum Tenens.

Locums work can be part of a balanced approach to a physician’s career, mixing clinical and nonclinical. Locums is similar to another recent clinical innovation, telemedicine, which can also offer the flexibility needed to supplement nonclinical endeavors.

In addition to discussing locums work, Andrew describes how he went about writing and publishing his book. And he outlines his approach to writing in general.

You can purchase a copy of Andrew’s book The Locum Life: A Physician’s Guide to Locum Tenens by going to andrewwilner.com or vitalpe.net/wilnerbook.

You can find links to the resources mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the entire interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode076.

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In this two-part interview, Dr. Andrew Wilner explains how he started as an internist, then found himself at McGill University in Montreal studying neurology a few years later. He went on to become an epilepsy specialist.

Shortly thereafter, he took a detour into a career as a full-time medical writer that lasted ten years. When he decided to get back into clinical medicine, he gave locum tenens a try and found that it fit beautifully into his lifestyle.

In Part 1 of the interview, we focus on his early days and his success as a medical writer. He explains that he was a writer all through school. Later, combining his writing skills with his medical knowledge gave him an advantage over other writers who did not have the medical degree or clinical experience that he did.

He wrote regular columns for written publications, initially. When the Internet exploded, he added Medscape, KevinMD and other online publications to his list of publishers. He also wrote several books during that time.

In Part 2, you will hear more about his experience with the "locum life," and how those experiences translated into his latest book The Locum Life: A Physician's Guide to Locum Tenens.

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This week, Dr. Nana Korsah describes her journey from burnout to balance. She reached a point where her own well-being, and her family's, were suffering. She had an "aha moment" when she realized she could find her true calling, and engaged a physician career and life coach.

She made some drastic changes, tried a few different things, and sought training to become a life and financial coach. It all clicked when she found she could combine the flexibility of clinical work as a locum tenens hospitalist, with her nonclinical work as a coach.

Now her burnout is gone, and she is building her coaching business. She is especially passionate about helping professionals recognize that excessive debt and lack of a sound financial plan are major contributors to burnout. It weighs on our psyche, and reduces our freedom to make important changes in our lives.

Learn from Nana's experiences, and begin your journey to the life you were born to live.

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Dr. Andrea Paul is the founder of BoardVitals, a medical education company that started by helping physicians prepare for board exams.

Andrea completed her MD at Michigan State University College of Medicine, and left her residency at Yale University to start BoardVitals in 2012.

Andrea is now the CMO of BoardVitals. She’s also an active public speaker, addressing innovation, health entrepreneurship, taking risks, and other business topics.

BoardVitals has grown to become an Inc. 500 healthcare education company. It develops digital assessment tools and medical content to prepare physicians, nurses, and other medical health professionals for specialty board exams and certifications.

Bringing together content from major publishers, universities, and leading healthcare providers, BoardVitals uses advanced search and curation methods to identify and improve medical knowledge as information is published.

The company was recently purchased by Ascend Learning. Andrea now serves as Chief Medical Officer at Ascend and BoardVitals.

During our interview, Andrea provides useful insights into how to start and quickly grow a seven-figure business using outside investors.

You might recall that several other entrepreneurs like Andrea have joined us here on the podcast.

We had a glimpse at a very early stage start-up in my interview with Leah Houston in Episode 045. She was still working with an incubator and in the process of finding investors when that episode was released.

In Episode 029, Sylvia Romm explained how she bootstrapped her own telehealth company, and sold it to a larger company. Now she’s the VP for Clinical Transformation at that company.

And Jon Larson explained how he and a partner founded their company, Medspoke, brought on investors, and attracted their first clients in Episode 067.

So, if you want to get more insight into the process of creating a multi-million-dollar business, after listening to today's episode you should listen to those episodes too.

You can find links to those episodes, resources mentioned in today’s interview, and a transcript of the interview, by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode073.

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A few weeks ago, John was interviewed by Dr. Michelle Mudge-Riley for her podcast. Michelle runs Physician Helping Physicians, a mentoring and coaching business that helps physicians effectively navigate the process of career transition.

During the interview, John describes his experiences shifting from his clinical work as a family physician to his new career in hospital management. He thoroughly enjoyed that career, but 15 years later he was recruited by investors to help open a start-up urgent care center. He saw it as a good opportunity, so he left his nonclinical career to work in a combined clinical and nonclinical role as medical director.

He continued to do that work part-time, while he started a blog and then this podcast. He is now in the process of turning the podcast into an online business.

Michelle generously allowed John to present their conversation here on the PNC podcast as an instructive example of career change.

Michelle and PHP are hosting a conference dedicated to this topic in Austin, TX, on April 6 and 7, 2019. As of the date of this podcast, there are a few spots open if you wish to attend. You can learn more about the conference, and hear interviews with other physicians, on Michelle's web site at Physician Helping Physicians.

And you can find links to other resources, show notes and a transcript by going to vitalpe.net/episode072

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Ryan Inman founded Physician Wealth Services, a fee-only financial planning firm devoted to the financial well-being of physicians (physicianwealthservices.com). He was inspired to do so after witnessing how vulnerable his wife was to poor financial advice during residency. He was shocked at how many advisors tried to take advantage of her and her peers.

To meet the needs of a much larger audience than those in his backyard, Ryan then created Financial Residency (financialresidency.com), a podcast and associated Facebook group that serves hundreds of attendings, residents, and their spouses who have had it with their financial challenges.

His podcast teaches financial concepts so you can protect and grow your assets, and shield yourself from insurance agents, stock brokers, fee-based financial planners, and lenders that attempt to sell you financial products and services you don’t need.

He has an undergraduate degree in accounting, and 2 masters degrees, including an MBA. I met Ryan through a mutual podcasting friend, Dr. David Draghinas. I love his podcast and his approach to providing financial services for physicians like me.

During our discussion, Ryan provided important financial advice for those planning to pursue a nonclinical career. Some of the topics he covers include:

The absolute need to develop a WRITTEN plan describing your ideal life and the ultimate goals you’re trying to achieve;
Addressing major debt before embarking on a career shift, and limiting lifestyle creep as a way to do that;
Awareness of financial landmines related to life, disability and malpractice insurance;
Understanding vesting and how it might affect growth of retirement accounts; and,
Some of the major money mistakes physicians tend to make, in general, and how to avoid them.

For all of the resources mentioned during the podcast, and a transcript of our conversation, go to vitalpe.net/episode071.

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In this episode, Dr. Christian Urrea provides insight into his nonclinical career. He realized in medical school that he did not want to pursue a traditional clinical career. So he developed a plan to help patients in another way.

Prior to medical school, he had worked as a clinical research assistant and used that experience, along with his M.D. to land a job in the quality improvement department of a community hospital and physician hospital organization. In that role, he worked with physicians to improve compliance with payer quality programs and broadly speaking helped achieve the Triple Aim of improving quality and patient care while reducing costs.

That job enabled Christian to gain experience working with medical peers and coordinating teams to achieve desired organizational goals.

He next set his sights on a career as an MSL. In the course of that job search, he was able identify a mentor who help Christian accelerate his job search. And he found that work as a medical monitor for a Contract Research Organization would better align with his skills and interests.

During our interview, Christian shares what he learned during his career journey. He specifically addresses the following topics:

The importance of identifying mentors;
How LinkedIn can facilitate your career search;
How great jobs as an MSL or a medical monitor are available to non-licensed physicians with the porper planning and approach;
What he likes about working for a CRO;
Some of the challenges a medical monitor faces.

There are links to resources mentioned in this episode and a transcript at vitalpe.net/medicalmonitor

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In this episode, I interview Dr. Ralph Wuebker, CMO at Optum 360, a revenue cycle company offering end to end solutions for providers (including hospitals, physician group, labs, etc.).

Ralph’s current primary responsibility is building Optum’s On Site Physician Advisor (OSPA) program, including: sales support, recruiting, training and oversight of physicians at over 70 hospitals

Prior to that he worked as VP at Executive Health Resources, and was Medical Director at Great West Healthcare. He received his MD from the University of Missouri – Kansas City School of Medicine and completed a pediatric residency at St Louis University. He later completed an MBA from Washington University in St. Louis.

What I like about today's interview is learning how Ralph transitioned from pediatrician, to physician adviser, to chief medical officer of a large provider support organizaton. And, we spend a few minutes discussing the cost/benefit analysis of pursuing an MBA

We get into many other topics, with lots of useful advice along the way. Towards the end of our discussion, Ralph provides very actionable advice about how to pursue a physician advisor career.

For resources and a transcript, go to vitalpe.net/episode069.

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In this PNC Podcast episode, John interviews radiologist and actor Dr. Dara Lifschutz.

Dr. Lifschutz is an accomplished radiologist specializing in Women's Imaging. She studied at Brandeis University and Tufts University School of Medicine and completed post-graduate residency and fellowship training at Staten Island University Hospital, Nassau University Medical Center and NYU Langone Medical Center, where she was a faculty member for three years.

About 10 years ago, she rediscovered her creative side and began dabbling in acting as a hobby. And she found that she really loved it. So, she began to adjust her work schedule, studied acting, and began part time work as an actor, which she continues to pursue.

I think Dara’s story will inspire you.

She’s following a career that she's passionate about in a responsible and methodical way. And she is unwilling to quit, even though it is often a challenging process.

She provided several resources that might help you to find a similar creative outlet.

You can find links to these resources and a transcript of the interview by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/actor.

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Dr. Jonathan Larson graduated from West Point, attended The University of Texas Medical School, and completed a residency in Emergency Medicine at the University of California, Davis, School of Medicine. He completed an MBA at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst - Isenberg School of Management.

The vision for MedSpoke materialized in the Spring of 2015 when Jon Larson and another physician Hector Caraballo were brainstorming ideas to improve healthcare. They saw an enormous opportunity to utilize technology to improve the lives of physicians and patients.

The MedSpoke team met at San Antonio’s co-working space Geekdom, and assembled a team with the passion, skills and determination to create MedSpoke. Medspoke is a physician-centric, health-tech company focused on solving healthcare credentialing challenges using technology like blockchain. Its platform eliminates credentialing headaches by ensuring that credentialing data is automated, organized, current and available whenever needed.

Jon walked us through his career journey, then described how he and Hector Caraballo developed their health technology company by addressing a glaring need.

We also discussed the challenges of shifting from the excitement of starting a new business to facing the mundane challenges of running it day to day.

You can find the show notes and a transcript of this episode of the PNC Podcast at vitalpe.net/episode067

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This week, John summarizes what he has learned about pursuing your first MSL job.

He describes the MSL role and how to prepare for career transition. Then he provides details about the resources available to support the MSL job search.

He talks about using LinkedIn, writing your resume, and preparing for your interviews.

A copy of the transcript and links to resources can be found at vitalpe.net/episode066.

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What is a MedSpa? Well, it’s just a contraction of the words Medical and Spa. A spa is defined as “a commercial establishment offering health and beauty treatments through such means as steam baths, exercise equipment, and massage.” On the other hand, a medical spa is a hybrid of a typical spa and a medical clinic.

As such, a medspa provides medical treatments, such as Botox injections, microdermabrasion, laser treatments and even liposuction, and requires physician involvement and oversight.

Working in a medspa is one of the few careers that enables a physician to leave behind the frustrations of onerous government regulations, extensive call, and dealing with preauthorizations and insurance billing, while still providing care to grateful patients. In other words, it’s a possible solution to burnout!

You can work as a medspa physician as an employee. Or, if your willing to take a little more risk, you can establish your own facility.

Today’s guest, Dr. Lisa Jenks, did just that 11 years ago. Lisa graduated from the University of Cincinnati’s College of Medicine in 1986. After residency training at Ohio State University, she began a career in emergency medicine.

For reasons we discuss during today’s interview, in 2007, Dr. Jenks opened Genesis MedSpa in Colorado Springs. Since it’s opening, Genesis has grown tremendously, moving from a 4-treatment room facility into a 10-room facility in 2012 and then adding an additional three treatment rooms in 2016. Under her direction, Genesis has won the BBB’s coveted ‘Excellence in Customer Service’ award three times, and has won numerous ‘Best Of’ awards.

In addition to providing great medspa services for her clients, while pursuing a career that she truly enjoys, Lisa has also served as a mentor for other physicians who want to start their own medspas.

She explains all of this during our conversation.

You can get a glimpse of what she has created by visiting her web site at genesis-medspa.com. And if you’re seriously considering developing your own medspa and would like to contact Lisa, you can send her an email at lisa@genesis-medspa.com. There’s also a phone number on the Contact Section of the web site.

You can download a transcript and links to resources mentioned today by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode065.

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The demand for coaching services for physicians seems to be growing daily. On one end of the spectrum, there’s life coaching. Then there’s health and fitness coaching. Physicians sometimes need career coaching. At the other end of the coaching spectrum is professional development coaching.

Dr. Ryan Bayley is board certified in Emergency Medicine and Emergency Medical Services, and holds an adjunct faculty position at the Duke University School of Medicine.

He obtained his undergraduate degree at Harvard University and his medical degree at Vanderbilt University. He completed his residency at New York-Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia and Cornell). He's a Certified Professional Coach and has been providing professional development coaching for physicians and executives since 2013.

Ryan describes the role that burnout played in his journey from paramedic, to emergency physician and EMS expert, to professional coach.

In speaking with him, I was reminded that some physicians are required by state medical boards to seek coaching for alleged behavioral issues. It must be a difficult assignment for a physician coach.

Ryan does a wide range of coaching for both physicians and non-physicians. I was pleased to find out that a significant percentage of physicians with burnout continue to practice medicine following Ryan's coaching.

Ryan addressed factors that slow our progress when seeking a new career. He also describes why you might want to consider a coaching career yourself.

Be sure to listen to the whole episode to get all of his insightful advice.

You can download a transcript and links to resources mentioned today by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode064.

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This week, John interviews Dr. Heidi Moawad, writer, book author and creator of the Nonclinicaldoctors.com website.

She's is a neurologist and adjunct professor at John Carroll University in Cleveland, Ohio. She's worked in many facets of medicine, including clinical practice, healthcare utilization, medical writing, telemedicine, payment policy and undergraduate and medical education.

She's the author of the book "Careers Beyond Clinical Medicine", and she's the host of a website that's devoted to non-clinical careers. She wrote the book and created the website to help doctors who are looking for instructions and information about the universe of healthcare jobs, entrepreneurial paths, and nonclinical work.

The book provides detailed step-by-step instructions for doctors who are looking for information about nonclinical careers.

Here are some of the highlights of our conversation:

How Heidi handled her career transition, and what she learned along the way;
What inspired her to tanslate the lessons she learned into a book;
The process she followed to ger her book published;
Ways to gain freelance writing experience as a physician;
The resources Heidi has posted to her website; and,
Her advice to doctors looking to make a career change.

She gave us a fascinating insight into the world of publishing, as well as lots of encouragement regarding publishing a book.

She also left us with some key advice on interviewing for a new job: don’t show up without doing your research. Get to know the industry you’re looking at before you apply, and show up armed with plenty of background knowledge and educated questions to ask.

You can download a transcript and find links to important resources at vitalpe.net/episode063

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I enjoy speaking with physicians who have found a nonclinical career they love. I’ve seen that in life insurance medicine, teaching, and now in medical communications.

The other aspect of this career that excites me is that it’s one in which you can express your creative side along with your scientific and technical side.

Dr. Dana Carpenter is Senior VP, Director Medical & Scientific Affairs at CDM New York, a leading healthcare communications agency. She's an experienced OB/GYN, medical director and health communicator, combining expertise in medicine, management, and medical communications within the health communication/medical marketing arena.

She's recognized as a subject expert and strategic consultant in women’s health, with additional marketing experience across numerous therapeutic areas. She obtained her medical degree from Rush Medical College in Chicago, and her residency at Albert Einstein Medical Center in Philadelphia.

Working with Dana as a guest on this show was a real pleasure. She has so much enthusiasm for what she does. She really loves her career.

And she was so easy to work with. She graciously accommodated a scheduling hiccup as we were planning our interview.

The very day that we were to connect, my 85-year-old father had to be hospitalized. He collapsed at home from what we later found out was a run of ventricular tachycardia. So we had to postpone our conversation.

Once things settled down with my father, we rescheduled and had a great interview. I was thankful to Dana for being so accommodating. I knew that you’d be inspired by her story.

You can download a transcript and links to resources mentioned today by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode061.

You can also download a copy of the image on the show notes called MM&M’s Agency Solar System. It lists over 100 healthcare communications agencies and their holding companies.

If you’re interested in learning more about this field, you should look at the graphic, select a few of the companies listed, and do some online research.

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Dr. Lynette Charity grew up in the 1950s in the segregated South, and was one of the first black students to attend her high school. She faced plenty of doubt when she announced she was planning to become a doctor, but ultimately she succeeded.

Dr. Charity graduated with honors from Chatham College for Women in Pittsburgh, PA on a full academic scholarship, and earned her medical degree from Tufts University School of Medicine. She became an expert in anesthesiology, working in hospitals and for the U.S. army. But after a 35-year career, she was ready for a change.

When she knew she was looking for something else, Lynette turned to SEAK for help. But none of the alternate career paths they had set out really appealed to her. Luckily, through SEAK she met career coach Heather Fork, who was able to roll with Lynette’s unconventional dreams for her career change.

When Lynette said, "Heather, I want to be a stand-up comic, lounge singer, voiceover actor," Heather didn’t back down. Instead, she convinced Lynette to sign up for Toastmasters, so she could take the first steps toward becoming a professional speaker. Lynette was resistant at first. After all, she’d given lectures and presentations for years. But she learned quickly that lecturing to a room full of medical students and residents was a far cry from the kind of public speaking she needed to learn.

So she dove in, and started making Toastmasters speeches, using their programs to learn confidence, communication and the elements of storytelling. And, as it turned out, she was actually pretty good at it.

Learning to Shine Lynette’s mentors at Toastmasters were seriously impressed with her talent, and they encouraged her to compete in speaking competitions. Her very first year, she won the competition in her district. She competed again the following year and made it all the way to the World Championships of Public Speaking finals held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

She was able to share her story about growing up in the South with a completely new, international audience, and she placed third worldwide. It wasn’t first prize, but it was a huge success—and it felt good.

“I was a rockstar! I felt really good walking around with my big old trophy. And this was a foreign country, and I was telling a story about the fact that I had grown up in the segregated South in the 1950s… And I did it using the Wizard of Oz, because a lot of foreign people don't know anything about segregation in America, so I tried to relate it to that, and I sang, I danced. I did it all in that speech! And people came up to me later on, wanting to know more about that part of history that they didn't know anything about.”

Lynette knew she’d found what she wanted to do: speak, connect, and make people laugh. Now she just needed to find out how to make it into a career.

Listen to the entire episode to hear the rest of Lynette's story. And go to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode062 for links to all of the resources mentioned duing our conversation.

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I was working full time as a family physician, with a fairly busy practice. But I found myself being pulled into other things. In the early years of my practice, I was asked to join the CME Committee at my hospital, and fill in at the family planning clinic. Later, I was asked to help fill some uncovered shifts at the hospital’s new occ-med clinic.

I was later asked to provide part-time administrative support. This included developing policies and procedures, supervising a physician assistant or nurse practitioner, or doing a walk-through of a local factory for the occ-med clinic.

As the demands on my time increased, I cut back my clinical duties to make time for the administrative ones. I made these changes over several years without any specific plan.

Drifting into Hospital Management

I really enjoyed the management work, and looked for more opportunities to do it. I pursued a master's degree in public health, thinking it would help with my occ-med work. But it wasn’t until 13 years post-residency that I started to seriously consider a full-time career in hospital management.

The tedium of daily practice, increasing paperwork, and declining reimbursements partly fueled my desire to make the career shift. But most of it came from a passion to work in teams, participate in meaningful projects, improve quality of care, and bridge the communication gap between my physician colleagues and the hospital C-suite.

How to Expedite Career Transition

Looking back, the process could have been a lot more intentional. I’ve since learned certain tactics that can definitely expedite your search for a new career. Most of these tactics were originally developed as a way to accelerate business growth, and are often adopted by entrepreneurs. But they certainly apply to career transition, also.

I can think of 5 simple tactics that I could have used, or used more effectively, to expedite my career pivot.

Who Best to Use These Methods?

These tactics are best used once the following conditions have been met:

You’re committed to changing careers,
You’ve narrowed your new career to one or two fields,
You may have taken some first steps, but you’re frustrated by the slow progress you’re making.

In this episode, I describe 5 tactics you can adopt that will help to move things along much faster when pursuing a new career or side hustle.

Show notes can be foudn at vitalpe.net/episode060

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Dr. Carmen Landrau is a board-certified cardiologist and professional keynote speaker, who uses her experience to empower women to recognize their talents, regain confidence, and take the next steps in their careers and in life. She’s been a keynote speaker at conferences and events for over fifteen years.

She lectures medical students and residents, and speaks at events with hundreds of attendees. She’s also provided individualized teaching and coaching to professional women and women’s groups.

During our conversation, Carmen explains how she became a paid speaker. It started slowly, by volunteering to speak for the American Heart Association and other groups. But she enjoyed it so much that she decided to focus on nurturing her career and to seek paid engagements.

Some of the strategies she used include:

Engaging a speaking coach,
Taking a speaking course,
Developing her first "signature talk,"
Networking,
Seeking repeat speaking engagements.

You can find out more about her at DrLandrau.com. She was kind enough to give us her email address, if you’d like to ask her a question, or engage her to speak. The email address is info@drlaundrau.com.

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I’ve been meaning to review a book and discuss this topic for some time. It relates to self-limiting beliefs that keep us from pursuing the career that we’re meant for; a career that bring us joy and fulfillment; a career that utilizes our personal and professional gifts.

Have you ever noticed that just when some people have made it, just when they reach new heights in their career or their relationship, something happens to undermine it?

Have you ever been in a relationship that seems to be getting better and better, when you and your spouse or fiancé get into an argument over some trivial or otherwise forgettable issue?

What about the entertainer who seems to be an overnight success, often after years of struggling, only to suffer a disaster like a drug overdose or major automobile accident?

This is a phenomenon called the Upper Limit Problem by Gay Hendricks, in his book The Big Leap. And its one of several very interesting and useful concepts he describes in his book.

This book as been out since 2011. However, I first read it earlier this year (2018) after hearing Cliff Ravenscraft talk about it. Cliff is a podcaster that I often listen to. He is probably one of the most experienced podcasters in the world.

Cliff has been hosting podcasts for more than a decade. He’s known as the Podcast Answer Man and has literally taught thousands of people how to produce a podcast through his personal coaching, mastermind groups and paid courses.

He recently devoted several episodes to the concepts he learned in The Big Leap. I think he even interviewed the author for his podcast he was so taken by the book.

So, I read the book myself. And then read it again over the past few weeks.

I believe that the concepts that Hendricks presents ring true. And they might help you to understand what’s holding you back from pursuing a truly wonderful and fulling career.

So, today I want to present what I’ve learned form the book, with examples from my life, and some of the stories in the book and expressed by Cliff Ravenscraft in his attempts to implement its ideas.

The first concept Hendricks discussed is the Upper Limit Problem.

He describes this as an internal set point, beyond which we sabotage ourselves from achieving happiness and success. He describes it as “an inner thermostat that determines how much love, success, and creativity we allow ourselves to enjoy.”

This tendency has a number of causes that Hendricks gets into. Generally, it’s a deeply held, but subconscious, belief from our childhood that pulls us down when we start to exceed the upper limit.

Cliff Ravenscraft described his work as the Podcast Answer Man and how he reached an income plateau that he could not exceed. He created new products and services, and temporarily exceeded the income plateau. But his income always dropped down below the old ceiling, until he implemented the strategies outlined in Hendrick’s book.

The author provides other examples in the book about the Upper Limit Problem, in which people cannot tolerate success, such as:

An actor who stars in a likely box office hit, who gets into an altercation on the eve of the premier party and ends up in jail;
The athlete who wins an international championship, then fires his coach and fails to place the following year;
The recording artist who has a major hit, only to die of a drug overdose.

Hendricks explains that people may achieve a personal achievement, but then subequestly self-destruct.

The Four Zones

To fully understand the concept of the Upper Limit Problem, you need to understand what it keeps you from. And that’s what Gay Hendricks calls your Zone of Genius.

Intuitively, it makes sense to me that we function in one of four zones.

The Zone of Incompetence consists of things we are no good at. That’s pretty simple. I shouldn’t try to repair snowmobiles or play the piano. I think golf also fits that category for me.

Sometimes we work in our zone of incompetence out of necessity. We need to make a quick buck.

I remember trying to work as a chef at a restaurant chain while still in college. I had no idea what I was doing, and I had to go through a training process.

Until I started to get the hang of it, I was definitely in my Zone of Incompetence and several meals had to be discarded rather than being served.

The next level is the Zone of Competence. That doesn’t sound bad.

Many of us have spent some time there. We can do the job, but there are others who can do it better.

Doing the accounting for my small practice probably fit in that category. I could do it easily enough, but there were definitely those that could do it better.

And it was smart of me to delegate that to someone for whom accounting was in the next level for them: The Zone of Excellence.

The Zone of Excellence is that career, hobby, or relationship in which you can comfortably perform very well, probably better than most.

Most of you probably functioned at this level when leaving residency. You’ve spent years learning your profession. You still continue to learn, but you perform at a level above those who have been out of residency for years and have failed to keep up with medical advances.

When I hear first heard this term, I thought "YES"! This is where we want to be. Excellence is a good thing.

But my eyes were opened when I read the book, and listened to Cliff’s discussion of the Zone of Genius. This is “the set of activities you are uniquely suited to do. They draw on your special gifts and strengths.” according to Hendricks.

When performing in this Zone, you’re often in “the zone” or in "flow" or in “deep work” as described by Cal Newport. Time seems to fly by. You're being creative, and producing awesome results. You feel no resistance, because it is what you were born to do.

Wow - now that sounds even better than the Zone of Excellence.

Getting back to Cliff Ravenscraft. He was obviously in his Zone of Genius when he became the Podcast Answer Man. He created training for this new medium. He loved what he was doing. He became the number one go-to person for learning podcasting, both the technical and the creative sides of it.

Drifting from Zone of Genius Back to Zone of Excellence

But over time, he slipped into his Zone of Excellence and it became boring and no longer challenging. He discovered that he wanted to go back into the Zone of Genius, so he redefined his business. He's described how he now wants to help clients avoid or recover from burnout by earning an income from the work that they feel most called to do in this world. So, he completely gave up podcast training and devotes himself to being a coach, mentor, mastermind group leader and public speaker.

I think my Zone of Genius, what I was born to do, is to inspire, encourage and teach physicians how to find their Zone of Genius. And for some, that means encouraging and mentoring them as leaders.

Living in the Zone of Genius

The last half of Hendricks' book is devoted to steps you can take to live more fully in your Zone of Genius. Cliff has made a commitment to live in his Zone of Genius at least 80% of the time.

I’m still learning these concepts. And I’m committed to working through the exercises outlined in the Big Leap.

Conclusion

I want you to think about which Zone you're working in. Are you living in your Zone of Genius? Or have you capitulated to living in the Zone of Competence or Excellence?

Are you still subject to the Upper Limit Problem?

I certainly don’t have all of the answers. But I encourage you to read the book and let me know what you think.

And don’t let your Upper Limit Problem keep you from making the Big Leap to your next career.

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Welcome back to the PNC podcast.

My timetable for the podcast prep this week was a little compressed because I spent 2 days attending the 15th Annual SEAK Non-Clinical Careers for Physicians Conference. And that put me a little behind.

I recorded my observations during the conference, and I’m going to share those with you today.

I wouldn’t ordinarily spend an entire episode promoting a conference, which is what this might sound like. However, many of you have asked about the conference, and I believe it’ll be helpful to tell you more about it. Some of you may need a little more information to help you decide whether to attend next year.

To be clear, I have no affiliation with SEAK. And I registered and paid to attend just like everybody else.

But this is the only meeting of its kind that presents an overview of career options for physicians. The SEAK meeting has two other unique features.

30 to 40 physicians working in nonclinical careers, including career coaches, meet with attendees in 15-minute appointments to provide advice and answer questions about nonclinical options.
A small number of employers interested in recruiting physicians to nonclinical jobs attend the conference to answer questions and set up interviews.

The SEAK staff confirmed that the conference continues to grow, with attendance easily exceeding last year’s. I estimated that there were well over 400 physicians at the meeting.

In addition to attending the individual sessions, and catching up with friends, it was fun to speak with physicians at the meeting, to hear their stories.

For example, I had a chance to chat with a physician while waiting for the first plenary session to begin. I’ll call him Robert to maintain his anonymity.

He appeared a bit somber, as he explained how he lost his license and had been unable to practice while involved in litigation to recover it.

His efforts were unsuccessful, so he decided to attend the meeting to learn about nonclinical careers he might pursue. Since I had attended last year’s meeting, I gave him advice to help him optimize his time at the meeting. I caught up with him later to see how things were going. I’ll describe his comments in a few minutes.

I was impressed by the enthusiasm and optimism that many of the attendees expressed by the end of the meeting.

At lunch on Sunday, I spoke with three physicians who were all very hopeful. An anesthesiologist nearing retirement was intrigued with becoming an expert witness. He could slowly build such a career part time while winding down his clinical activities. The others at the table had identified several leads on careers they were going to evaluate further.

I spoke with a pediatric physiatrist at one of the breakout sessions. She was only a year into her clinical career. She found it unfulfilling and was considering several nonclinical alternatives.

I was also pleasantly surprised that three physicians recognized me and told me that they enjoyed this podcast. That really helps motivate me to continue. They also gave me helpful feedback and ideas for future episodes.

I ran into “Robert” several times during the conference, and each time he seemed very positive and more optimistic. When I asked him how things were going, he responded “fantastic” with a big smile on his face.

There were too many take-aways to list them all, but a few stood out for me.

The presenters and mentors all expressed a great deal of hope and optimism.
In just 2 days, we heard about more than 25 potential nonclinical careers or part-time jobs.
Many presenters emphasized the importance of networking when pursuing a new position.
Several also mentioned the importance of maintaining a complete, professional-looking LinkedIn profile.
Pharmaceutical companies have multiple categories of nonclinical career opportunities – with variations in desired educational background, travel requirements, and ability to work from home.
Consulting, medical writing, and work as a medical science liaison are definite possibilities if you’re a foreign medical graduate or are not residency trained or board certified.
Utilization reviewers are needed by hospitals, Independent Review Organizations and Health Insurers, and previous experience is often not required.
Telemedicine can be a great job to meet your needs if you prefer to work at home, or as a bridge during your transition from clinical to nonclinical work.
There is a growing demand for medical directors and chief medical officers in the field of hospital and health system Quality Improvement.

I could go on, but you get the idea. There is an ever-expanding need for physicians willing and able to take on these and many other nonclinical careers.

Attending the SEAK Annual Conference is one way to learn about those careers, while obtaining mentoring and exploring employment opportunities.

Ths show notes can be foudn at https://vitalpe.net/episode057

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Freelance medical writing can be a great nonclinical career for several reasons:

It can be started part-time.
There is a lot of flexibility.
The demand for writers continues to grow.
It does not require a big cash investment to get started.

But it’s probably best-suited for physicians with a certain personality. My guest, Dr. Emma Nichols, addresses all of these issues in today’s interview.

She has a doctorate in molecular biology. And, she’s a seasoned medical communications professional specializing in continuing medical education and news writing. Her company, Nascent Medical, provides expert medical writing services through its team of experienced MD- and PhD-level writers.

As she was building her company, she needed to vet and train capable writers. That led to developing a course to train freelance writers in all aspects of the business. Dozens of physicians have launched their own writing careers as a result of the training provided by Dr. Nichols.

I’ve personally spoken with several writers who have recommended her course. So, I thought she'd be an excellent guest for the PNC podcast.

If you’ve considered a career in medical writing, Emma provided some great advice during our interview.

She described the benefits of a career as a freelance medical writer. And she outlined the personality traits that best fit such a career.

She suggested that writers start out by writing part-time to see how well they like it.

She mentioned the American Medical Writers Association (aka “AMWA”) as a good resource for physicians considering a writing career. It’s next big annual meeting – the 2018 Medical Writing & Communication Conference – is being held in Washington, DC from November 1st through the 3rd.

She also told us about a free webinar she’s hosting called “Freelance Medical Writing -- A Lucrative Work-From-Home Career Choice.”

The webinar is being held on Thursday,October 25th, at 2:00 p.m. Eastern. It’s a very good way to learn more about freelance writing. She’ll be going into more details about some of the topics we covered, including the potential salary expectations. To sign up for the webinar, just go to 6weekcourse.com.

You can download a transcript and links to resources mentioned in today's episode by going to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode056.

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Dr. Michelle Mudge-Riley is a physician career coach, consultant, and entrepreneur. She was my guest on Episode 010 of the podcast.

She has spent the last ten years coaching physicians and creating helpful resources for those seeking career change. She’s come on the podcast to explain the 5 Stages of Career Transformation that she has come to recognize during her long career.

Michelle reminds us that the greatest mistake you can make is doubting your ability to navigate this process successfully.

She’s also here to give us a glimpse into her latest resource for physicians. It’s a membership site at Physicians Helping Physicians with a complete explanation of the 5 Stages and how to progress through them. It offers 30 videos that you can work through at your own pace, as well as other resources that she described during our conversation.

If you’d like to check out Physician Helping Physicians 2.0 simply go to vitalpe.net/php2, as we discussed during the interview. Or go to the show notes at vitalpe.net/episode055 for a link to the site.

Disclaimer: Let me remind you that the opinions expressed here are mine and my guests. While the information provided on the podcast is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge, there is no express or implied guarantee that using the methods discussed here will lead to success in your career, life or business.

The information presented on this podcast is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only. It should not be construed as advice, such a medical, legal, tax, emotional or other types of advice.

Always consult an attorney, accountant, career counsellor, or other professional before making any major decisions related to the subject matter of the podcast.

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Today I want to describe a powerful tool that managers and leaders use to set goals. The ability to properly identify, describe and measure goals is important to all managers, directors, executives and leaders in any organization.

Writing proper goals falls into the Business Practices domain of my model. And, I’ll talk about that briefly today. But the tool falls into the Leadership Skills domain.

Sometimes goals are self-evident, driven by universal business needs, such as growing volumes or improving profits.

But sometimes a good leader needs a tool to help her team surface new initiatives, based on a more thoughtful consideration of internal and external factors.

That’s where the SWOT Analysis can be extremely powerful.

For those of you who haven’t heard that term before, I didn’t say "swat analysis", like swatting flies.

SWOT is an acronym that stands for Strengths – Weaknesses – Opportunities and Threats.

The development of the SWOT Analysis (or Matrix) has been attributed to Albert S. Humphrey, although he disavowed having invented it. It is a conceptual tool that has been used by countless business leaders to assist in planning. As a physician manager, director, or leader, you should become very comfortable using it.

What Are the Components? The strengths and weaknesses generally refer to internal characteristics of an organization. This includes financial resources and performance, human resources, branding, and customer loyalty. It also might include cultural issues, such as whether your organization is nimble or slow-moving.

The opportunities and threats describe external considerations. How is the local economy doing? Is the market growing or shrinking? What are the demographics of your clients? Is your competition strong or weak? What is the regulatory environment like? Are there major hurdles to entering a new market?

From SWOT Analysis to Goal Setting To use a SWOT Analysis, goals can be developed from the intersection of the Strengths and Weaknesses with the Opportunities and Threats from the SWOT analysis as depicted in the following table:

During this episode, I go into great detail on how to use the information in the table to create SMART goals, using examples from an imaginary team considering the opening of an imaginary urgent care center.

You’ll find the show notes for today’s episode at vitalpe.net/episode054 and you can download a transcript of the episode from the show notes page.

If you’d like more help in pursuing a CMO job or any other executive healthcare position, I’ve developed a new mentoring program for you that I rolled out in Episode 52.

It’s called Become CMO in a Year.

It’s designed for board certified physicians who work at least part-time in a hospital setting, who want to move into hospital or medical group management.

Through the mentoring program, you will identify and fill the gaps I your resume that you need to be irresistible to recruiters and CEOs.

You can learn more by heading over to vitalpe.net/cmomentor

Thanks again for listening today.

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Dr. Peter Steinberg is a board-certified urologist and the director of endourology and kidney stone management at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, one of the chief teaching hospitals of Harvard Medical School, where he is an Assistant Professor. He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. He completed a urology residency at Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center and an Endourology Fellowship at Montefiore Medical Center.

His interests include: medical malpractice/expert witness, patient safety, communication in the operating room, medical writing, consulting related to medications and devices, health care venture capital, angel investing and public speaking. He has extensive experience as a urologic expert witness. He has been a guest on several other podcasts, most notably "The White Coat Investor" and "Radical Personal Finance".

Based on our conversation, I'd say this work seems like a really good way to augment your clinical practice income. It's the ultimate moonlighting, in which you can make MORE than moonlighting clinically.

We did not talk about this, but work as an independent contractor, rather than an employee, allows you to create some beneficial tax-favored retirement accounts. These include options such as a SEP-IRA or a Solo 401(k).

I’m not an accountant, so don’t rely on my advice on a retirement account. But definitely check it out if you work as an independent contractor, such as an expert witness, in addition to any employment arrangement you may have.

Here are just some of topics we talked about during our conversation:

The resources provided by the American Urologic Association to help you enter this field.
The three big reasons Peter enjoys his work as an expert witness.
The expected salary range.
The three major duties of an expert witness.
Other resources for those wishing to pursue this career.

You can connect with Peter on LinkedIn – just search for Peter Steinberg MD. Show notes and a transcript for download can be found at vitalpe.net/episode053.

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Is it possible to get a job as CMO in a year?

Well, it depends. It’s certainly easier if the organization you’re working for is looking for a CMO. Or if you’re in a large city with multiple hospitals, MCOs and large medical groups.

What do you need to do to get that job as soon as possible, even if you have limited management and leadership experience?

Well, let me be your mentor and show you how it might be done.

Let’s start with the end in mind. What skill sets will a CMO candidate need to demonstrate so that an employer will...

read a cover letter and resume,
set up a series of interviews and,
select you as the new CMO?

If you’ve graduated medical school, completed a residency and worked clinically for a few years, you already have many of the necessary leadership skills.

But you’ll need to work on those additional business and management skills that will enable you to work in a corporate environment.

I break down those skills into five general areas that a health care organization will generally be looking for:

Data Management
Financial Management
Business Practices
Leadership Skills
Talent Management

So, let’s break those 5 skill sets down into how they’re learned and demonstrated on your resume.

Data Management. In this arena you should be able to demonstrate the ability to analyze a variety of data, simplify and explain it to others, and create action plans to address underperformance. The type of data typically analyzed includes quality and patient safety metrics, utilization review, including length of stay and resource utilization, patient and physician satisfaction data, and process measures, such as turnaround times. You should also be able to design balanced scorecards and dashboards, understand Lean Process Improvement and Six Sigma principles, and prepare for accreditation surveys.

You may already have experience reviewing your own, and possibly others’, quality data. But to fully demonstrate this skill set, you can consider taking the following steps.

Take a course on quality reporting. These are available through the National Association for Healthcare Quality and the AAPL.
Participate in committees that review data: QI Committees, and UM Committees. These committees can be at your medical group, hospital staff, or at nonprofit organizations you might join as a volunteer. I’m on the board of a hospice and chair of the quality committee. Other nonprofit healthcare organizations have boards and many have quality committees.
Seek a position as a part time medical director for quality, utilization management, or clinical documentation improvement. All of them collect and analyze data. Chat with the director of the department that manages those activities to see if they need part time assistance with analyzing and presenting reports based on their collected data.
Become certified in Lean Process Improvement or Six Sigma. Some courses can be completed in as little as 8 weeks.
Volunteer to help prepare for the next accreditation survey of your ambulatory surgical center, hospital, or wound center.
Financial Management. This includes understanding health system financial reports, departmental revenues and expenses, and creating an annual budget and managing to it. One of the biggest concepts here is to understand accrual accounting. There are other unique issues related to health care finances, such as gross vs. net revenues, income adjustments, and bad debt that must be understood.

To gain experience, you can do the following.

Review your own personal financial and productivity reports from your medical group. Volunteer to work part-time as medical advisor or medical director to present and explain reports to other physicians in the group.
Find a nonprofit that has Finance Committee. The hospice I spoke about earlier has a Finance Committee, and members review monthly income and expense statements, balance sheets and other financial documents. If possible, chair the committee. This forces you to be understand the financial reports more thoroughly. Hospitals also have boards and finance committees that need members and chairs.
Take a health care finances class through the AAPL or ACHE. Or take a course through a local community college in accounting to become more familiar with common accounting terminology and practices.
Business Practices. These include running effective meetings, writing reports, preparing and delivering presentations, identifying and writing management goals, and project planning.

You can learn some of these skills in the following ways.

Take business and management courses through the AAPL, ACHE and others.
Participate in service line committees such as those for a wound center, ICU, CCU, observation unit, occupational medicine clinic, spine center, vascular center, family planning clinic, STD clinic, and other inpatient units and outpatient service lines. Then participate in or chair planning committee meetings, strategic planning meetings, and marketing meetings for any such committees.
Volunteer for the CME planning committee at your hospital. If there isn’t one, locate national educational organizations in your area by searching the list of accredited providers on the ACCME at accme.org. Work hard to become the chair of the CME committee, if possible.
Leadership Skills. In order to effectively lead a division that includes multiple departments, you will need experience in negotiation; healthcare law, (including contracting, Medicare fraud and abuse, credentialing and privileging, and risk management); team building and coaching skills; strategic planning, and working effectively in an executive team.

You can acquire these skills in the following ways.

Take courses on health care law through the AAPL, ACHE or local universities in your area.
Read up about SWOT (S. W. O. T.) analysis and take a committee or a department through one as medical director for any service line or medical group department, or your own medical practice.
Use the SWOT Analysis to develop an action plan and set of SMART goals at the beginning of each year and follow up with progress and completing of the goals at the end of the year.
Participate in as many boards, committees and teams as possible, and chair as many as you can, and keep track of each one’s accomplishments for your resume.
Talent Management. This goes beyond simply hiring, firing and supervising employees. A seasoned CMO will need to know how to attract and recruit good managers and directors, maintain accountability, build loyalty, develop future leaders, communicate with clarity, delegate appropriately, create succession plans, and avoid micromanagement.

This is the most difficult of the five major areas to get experience in, unless you have staff directly reporting to you. Most medical groups involve physicians by having them attend and chair meetings. But physicians often do not have direct line responsibility for employees.

You might not be able to get real life experience in this aspect of management skills until you’re at least part time in management as medical director, or department director or an equivalent position.

There are some things you can do, however.

If you’re already working as a medical director, try to get the department restructured in such a way as to have staff report directly to you. You’ll need to take on the responsibility of meeting individually with direct reports, providing direction, and completing evaluations. But it’s the only way to truly learn how to do these activities.
You can start by taking these roles on in your practice. Become the managing partner, if you’re in a small to medium group, and actively manage supervisors and managers to gain this valuable experience.

By following these suggestions, you will be able to demonstrate the skills to be a successful CMO, and land a high-paying and fullfilling job as a physician executive and leader.

For the show notes, go to vitalpe.net/episode052

I've also developed a paid mentoring program in which I assess your current skills, identify gaps in each of the 5 domains, and help you to obtain new skills through part-time paid and volunteer experiences.

To find out more about this program, go to Become CMO in a Year

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Dr. Linda Ho worked as a medical science liaison in hematology -oncology. She’s worked at AbbVie, where she served as Team Lead, and at Ipsen Biopharmaceuticals and Bayer. She is a seasoned healthcare professional with a diverse background that includes industry experience, direct patient care, and pathology. Linda earned her BA from Case Western Reserve University and her MD from Loyola University Stritch School of Medicine. She trained in pathology at Northwestern and Case Western Reserve University.

You must listen to the entire interview. We start out speaking about Linda’ transition from her clinical career to her career as a medical science liaison. She describes why she likes the job, and also gets into some of the challenges.

And towards the end of our conversation, Linda mentions several very important principles to keep in mind when considering a pivot to any nonclinical career.

Here are some of topics she touched on:

The importance of networking in her initial job search, and again when looking for subsequent jobs,
What she wished she had done in residency that could have helped her,
Why she recommends that you use a professional resume writer,
An association that she found extremely helpful called the Healthcare Businesswoman’s Association,
Her recommendation of the book The 2-Hour Job Search: Using Technology to Get the Right Job Faster by Steve Dalton,
Her thoughts on the travel required for a job as an MSL, and
Why you should forget about online job applications

You can connect with Linda on LinkedIn – just search for Linda Ho, MD.

Show notes and a transcript can be found at vitalpe.net/episode051

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Dr. Savi Chadha is regional medical manager and medical science liaison with Tardis Medical Consultancy. He received his BA in marketing from Loyola University, MPH from Benedictine University, and MD from St. James School of Medicine. Savi is a member of the Medical Science Liaison Society and a SEAK alumnus.

I really enjoyed my discussion with Savi Chadha. It was so interesting to hear about his career as a Medical Science Liaison, or MSL.

Here are some of the things I learned:

While his MPH may have helped Savi get his first job, he said it is not a requirement.
If you’d like to pursue a job as an MSL, Savi recommends that you start by speaking with any pharma sales rep that you know, and use their contacts to meet MSLs at their home companies.
Going to the national pharmaceutical meetings is another way to learn about MSL jobs.
There are 2 associations to look into: The Medical Affairs Professional Society and the Medical Science Liaison Society.
Savi recommends a book called The Medical Science Liaison Career Guide: How to Break Into Your First Role by Samuel Jacob Dyer.
Work as an MSL is one of the few nonclinical careers that does NOT require residency and board certification.
An MSL position is fairly location-independent, but it may require significant travel depending on the size of the territory covered.

This is the first of 2 interviews with a medical science liaison. I will post the second one in a week or two.

Show notes can be found at vitalpe.net/epsiode050. You can also download a transcript by going to the show notes.

I’m probably going to post a solo episode next week, in which I describe the kind of experience and skills health systems and medical groups are looking for in a chief medical officer, or CMO.

So, don’t miss it if you have any interest in hospital management.

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In today’s episode, I’m very pleased to present an interview with Dr. David Geier, an orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine specialist who’s been building his platform for eight years. In addition to practicing full time, David provides education and commentary on sports and exercise injuries.

He delivers keynote presentations and workshops to business and healthcare organizations. He writes a regular sports medicine column for the daily Charleston newspaper, The Post and Courier. It’s one of the most-read columns in the newspaper.

His book, That's Gotta Hurt: The Injuries That Changed Sports Forever, was published in June 2017 and is available in bookstores everywhere.

He’s done well over 1,000 interviews about sports and exercise injuries for television, radio, magazine, newspaper and online media. Some of the publications in which his interviews have appeared include USA Today, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, CNN, FOX News, ABC News, Huffington Post, US News & World Report, Forbes, Business Week, Health, Men’s Health, Women’s Health, Men’s Fitness, Men’s Journal, and many more.

He’s been a busy man.

He’s created a fantastic speaking and writing career, and posted well over 300 podcast episodes. And he continues to practice orthopedic sports medicine full time.

His practice has greatly benefited from his platform. He has developed a loyal following of patients, readers and listeners.

During our interview, David explains how he built this platform, and created the authority that enables him to speak, publish and maintain his media presence.

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Dr. Sue Zimmermann is an orthopedist with 24 years of clinical experience.

She graduated from Medical School at Brown University, then pursued orthopedic training at New England Medical Center. She practiced orthopedic surgey at Dartmouth Hitchcock Health System in Nashua, New Hampshire for 24 years.

She began to think about retiring, with the idea of slowing down and entering a nonclinical career. So, she searched for a career coach, ultimately working with physician career coach, Dr. Heather Fork. Listeners will recall that I interviewed Heather in Episode 18 of this podcast.

In today’s interview, Sue describes how she was planning and preparing for her transition. She unexpectedly lost her position at the health system, but her planning paid off. She was ready to make the shift.

She applied what she learned from her coaching, networked with colleagues, and identified several opportunities that fit her goals.

She is now working clinically doing outpatient orthopedics, teaching and writing. Her quality of life is excellent and her income is meeting her needs for this stage in her life.

I was really impressed by Sue’s ability to plan and to network, as she crafted a new phase in her career.

She provides a great example of how to effectively balance clinical and nonclinical work.

If you’d like to download a transcript of today’s interview, go to vitalpe.net/048download

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Dr. Tom Davis is a freelancer based in St. Louis, Missouri. A board-certified family physician, he joined a three-doctor single-specialty group right out of residency and practiced in the same small town in rural Missouri for twenty years.

Using one of the first total-risk Medicare Advantage plans in the country, he grew his practice over 16 years into a regional health system. Then he merged with a competitor in 2012 for $130,000,000.

He discovered that he and corporate medicine were not a good fit. So, he quit to become a freelancer and author. He now advises physicians and groups on how to succeed under Medicare Advantage.

He also serves as an expert witness on medical malpractice and healthcare fraud, mentors young clinicians on their contract negotiations, and has written two books. The most recent, Telemedicine Confidential - Keeping Your Family Safe, will be released on September 1st, 2018.

I recommend you listen to the entire interview. The insights were awesome and kept on coming. We talked about developing a new career, writing and publishing a book, creating an online presence, and much more.

Near the end of our conversation, he provided valuable advice about where telemedicine is going. And he described how you can use it as a bridge between your clinical and nonclinical careers.

Tom describes in great detail how he created a new career for himself. His insights are inspirational and actionable.

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In this episode, John talks with Dr. William Lynagh, a family physician with a long career that includes clinical practice, IPA medical director, consultant, teacher, and medical director at the Advisory Board, among others.

Bill shares his advice for physicians seeking newe opportunities. He addresses taking action, self-awareness, personal purpose statements and the benefits of coaching and mentoring.

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John interviews Dr. Leah Houston in this episode. Dr. Houston is an emergency medicine physician who went through a very difficult credentialing and licensing issue. After leaving Florida and allowing her license to expire, she discovered later that the hospital where she had been employed was still using her name and provider number to bill for services.

When Leah returned to Florida, she faced numerous legal challenges after being accused of practicing without a license, as a result of her former employer's actions.

Partly in response to that situation, she sought a solution to the problem of slow and poorly coordinated physician credentialing. She has now developed an approach using blockchain technology that will enable physicians to control their credentials in a highly secure manner.

Having experience as an entrepreneur in the past, she founded a new company that will harness blockchain technology to help physicians regain control over their professional identities.

She descibes all of these issues and invites physicians to learn more about what she is doing to address these issues.

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In this episode, John interviews Dr. Sylvie Stacy, the creator of the blog and online community Look for Zebras. Sylvie describes the nonclinical jobs she's been doing, including those she started while still in residency.

She also gives an overview of the resources currently available on Look for Zebras, including:

The Stampede Newsletter, which provides lists of nonclinical jobs being filled by major companies;
The new Physician Nonclinical Career Coach Directory;
Her list of 19 nonclinical careers for those wondering what's available.

Finally, she provides listeners with advice about medical writing as a viable nonclinical career.

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In this episode, John implores his listeners to embrace their roles as leaders during the process of career transition. He then provides examples of physicians who have stepped up to address serious issues affecting the U.S. healthcare system.

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In this episode, John provides some tips for overcoming the inertia that is keeping you from pursuing a new career. He provides links to his blog posts and podcast episodes that address mindset, burnout, and career examples. He then lists other blogs that provide additional career options, and one that can help you to complete a personality inventory.

Finally, he addresses the option of using a physician career coach. He lists the coaches that have been interviewed on the PNC podcast. And he explains why using a coach may be one of the best ways to overcome what's holding you back.

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In this episode, John interviews Paul Esselman, Senior Executive Vice President and Managing Director at Cejka Executive Search. Cejka is a nationwide leader in executive searches, specializing in the health care industry for over 35 years. Paul has over 20 years of experience recruiting physician leaders.

During our conversation he discusses many of the changing trends in the industry. He provides guidance and advice about how to prepare for an interview, what employers are looking for, how to properly select references, and whether a management degree or CPE designation are needed. We also get into expected salary levels and other important topics.

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In this epsiode, I speak with physician wellness and career coach Dr. Maiysha Clairborne. With an undergraduate degree in psychology, it's no wonder she has an interest in coaching and wellness. After completing her family medicine residency, and practicing for several years, Maiysha began wellness coaching for her patients.

She subsequently came to realize that physician colleagues were struggling with burnout and that many needed coaching and mentorship themselves.

So, she shifted gears, and refocused her coaching efforts on helping physicians. She formally began her physician coaching business about 2 years ago and has been very busy providing individual and group coaching and wellness retreats.

She is also an accomplished speaker and writer.

In this interview, she describes her journey, and her approach to physician coaching. She also highlights the major stages of change that physicians experience during such a transition, and pitfalls to avoid in the process.

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I've been looking for someone to interview about careers in life insurance medicine. I've heard that physicians in this field are generally quite happy with their jobs. Dr. Judy Finney has been working for Allstate for six years. She has mentored physicians and advised them about pursuing such a career.

In this week's podcast episode, Judy provides an overview of job, the personality traits of a successful life insurance medical director, and other tips to help you follow her career path.

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The most difficult part of career transition may be getting started. We're unfulfilled in our current career, and we know a change is needed. But many of us don't have a clear vision of which career to pursue or how to begin our journey.

In this episode, John provides three simple tactics that will allow us to take action and begin forward progress. These tactics include educating ourselves, reaching out to nonprofits to learn new skills, and looking within our own organizations to participate, network and gain exposure to nonclinical jobs.

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In this episode, John explains why great leaders must learn to plan and run effective and engaging meetings. By adopting these 10 practices of the meeting maestro, your colleagues and employees will want to attend your meetings. And you will optimize your results while minimizing wasted time and effort.

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In this epsiode, John describes what motivates him to write and produce this podcast.

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In this episode, John talks with Dr. Katrina Ubell, pediatrician and certified weight and life coach. Dr. Ubell transitioned to full-time coaching about two years ago, after completing her coaching certification.

Her business has become very successful, helping hundreds of clients through individual and group coaching. She has focused primarily on the mental models and mindset issues that prevent us from being successful and happy.

During our conversation, Katrina explains the importance of addressing limiting beliefs and attitudes before pursuing a new career. She also describes the time and effort needed to pursue a career as a physician coach, and that the ultimate income potential may take years to achieve.

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In this episode, we learn about three fulfilling nonclinical careers based in the hospital setting. They are similar in that they all generally require residency training, board certification and three or more years of experience.

The steps in pursuing each of them is similar. Overcome self-limiting beliefs holding you back. Participate in hospital committtees and teams in the area of interest. Join pertinent associations. Educate yourself through books and conferences. Identify and use mentors. Consider certification in the discipline, if available. Update your LinkedIn profile. Apply for part-time work at your current hospital.

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This episode is devoted to describing the CPE, or certified physician executive, program. This certification process was established 20 years ago as a way to recognize physicians who have completed a rigorous set of educational and experiential requirements that ensure they have the necessary business and management skills to be effective leaders.

John describes the history of the development of the CPE, the steps that must be taken to complete it, and the three major reasons to do so.

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In this episode, John speaks with Canadian anesthesiologist Dr. Cindy Wang. Dr. Wang has been providing anesthesia services for about four years. She is very interested in pursuing a career in hospital management, ultimately as chief medical officer. She has already started work on a master's degree in public health at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston.

Cindy describes some of the other steps she has taken to advance her career. During this mentoring session, John provides insights into other strategies to explore as she embarks on her career transition.

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In this episode, I pay tribute to my mother, Vicky Jurica, who died at the age of 84 on April 7. She is survived by her husband of 63 years, 10 children, 29 grandchildren, 11 great-grandchildren and hundreds of friends and family whom she loved and who loved her.

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Emergency Medicine Nocturnist, Dr. Charmaine Gregory, explains how she eliminated burnout by addressing her own fitness and becoming a health and fitness coach for others. This side hustle has been growing and now Charmaine has a loyal following of clients.

She continues to work as much as ever as an EM physician. But she ended her burnout by restoring balance in her life.

Recently, she participated in a book project by contributing two chapters to Chronicles of Women in White Coats, scheduled for release in May 2018. Charmaine describes her involvement in the book, how the book came about, and her future writing plans.

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In this episode, Dr. Sylvia Romm describes her journey from clinician to digital health innovator. A board certified pediatric hospitalist, she created a telehealth business and later sold it to a large health IT company, American Well. Now Sylvia serves as its VP for Medical Affairs.

During our conversation, Sylvia provides an overview of the current state of the telemedicine industry. She also advises physicians about the types of opportunities available in the growing telehealth field and how to pursue them.

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In this epsiode, Dike Drummmond describes the five major causes of physician burnout. Based on almost 20 years of coaching physicians with burnout, he explains candidly how medical education and the current practice of medicine contribute to its development. Finally, he describes how you can begin to overcome burnout.

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In this episode, John responds to a listener's question about pursuing a career in quality improvement. He describes in detail the steps he recommends you follow to become a medical director for QI and ultimately Chief Quality Officer for a hospital or medical group.

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In Episode 26, John describes what he has learned in the first 25 episodes of Physician NonClinical Careers. He lists 10 things he has learned from guests, Facebook group members, and podcast listeners, and acknowledges the support he has received along the way. He also promises to share what he's learning from blogging and podcasting for those in the audience who wish to pursue an online business as their new career or side hustle.

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For this episode, I wanted to talk to someone with intimate knowledge of an MBA program, especially someone that has worked with physicians.

Luckily, I was already introduced to such a program by one of my previous podcast guests. I interviewed Atish Jaiswal in the third episode. When the interview was published, he was about 2/3 of the way through his physician executive MBA program at the University of Tennessee.

Then, while I was attending the SEAK Nonclinical Careers Conference last fall, I met the Executive Director of the Program, Dr. Kate Atchley. After some correspondence, she was kind enough to agree to join me on the podcast.

Kate is the Executive Director of the Executive Programs in the Department of Graduate and Executive Education at the James A. Haslam College of Business.

You’ll hear that the program has graduated more than 650 physician executives. So, other than the individual physicians completing the degree, nobody knows more about the impact of an MBA on a physician’s career than Kate Atchley.

I think you’ll find that there’s much to learn about an MBA program before jumping in. But for some of you, if the timing is right, it might be just the thing to boost your career trajectory.

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In this episode, John interviews Dian Ginsberg, the Director of Career Services at the American Association for Physician Leadership (AAPL). Through their conversation, we learn that the AAPL is the oldest organization devoted to physician leadership, and that its members are physicians only.

Previously known as the American College of Physician Executives, it provides education, career services, coaching and a certification program.

It has recently added expanded psychometric assessment to help physicians determine their readiness and competitiveness for a new leadership position.

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In this episode, John interviews obstetrician/gynecologist Stephanie Pearson. Stephanie was forced to leave her practice due to a work-related injury. To make matters worse, her disability insurance refused to cover her injury when it became clear she would not be able to return to her specialty.

Ultimately, Stephanie was able to overcome these challenges and forge a new career. She developed a passion for educating physicians about the nuances of insurance coverage, so that they do not put their greatest asset, their earning power, at jeopardy.

Ultimately, she became a licensed broker, creating a fulfilling new career for herself, serving as an advocate for her clients. She has also committed herself to bringing more physicians into this field.

Her story is both inspirational and educational.

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In this episode, John interviews Dr. Mandy Armitage. She was trained and board certified in physical medicine and rehabiltation and sports medicine, but left clinical practice to pursue full time medical writing. She describes her transition, and provides actionable advice for any physician wishing to pursue a writing career. We talk about taking a writing course, and networking through the American Medical Writers Association and LinkedIn. She describes her current work as a Medical Director at HealthLoop. Finally, she tells us how she can be contacted through her freelance writing business website at ArmitageMedicalWriting.com.

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In this episode, John describes four of his biggest money mistakes, and a new course for high income professionals that will help you to avoid them.

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In this solo episode, John describes his path to becoming a hospital chief medical officer. Then he lists 10 reasons why physicians should pursue a career in hospital management.

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In this episode, John interviews Mike Woo-Ming, MD, MPH, about his experiences as an entrepreneur, author, marketing consultant and physician educator. Mike started his first side hustle while still in training, teaching undergraduates how to successfully prepare for and apply to medical school.

He subsequently started several businesses, in the fields of online marketing, consulting, software development, and physician training and coaching. He left clinical medicine for for several years, but subsequently returned and now runs a wellness clinic and medical spa, in addition to his side businesses.

Through it all, he was driven by his desire to remain an independant business owner. He is now offering a free webinar and handbook, and a paid online course, designed to help physicians restore their autonomy and satisfaction by creating their own nonclinical business.

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In this episode, John interviews physician career coach Heather Fork, MD, CPCC. She describes her journey from dermatologist to coach, her approach to career transition, examples of three successful clients, and the five common mistakes to avoid along the way. Heather provides encouragement and reminds us that we can, and should, pursue a career that brings joy and fulfillment.

She goes into some detail discussing the model for career change that she has developed. The acronym CARPE DIEM reminds us of the steps, with each letter representing part of the process: Commitment; Assessment; Research; Preparation; Execution; and, Do I Enjoy Medicine? By answering that question and working through each of the steps, physicians will achieve the career and the life that they want.

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In this episode, John interviews Charlotte Weeks, career coach and resume-writing expert. She describes how to design the ideal resume for the physician seeking a nonclinical career. She addresses issues such as: the need for a cover letter; the length of the resume; the difference between a CV and a resume; how to identify and describe accomplishments to include; the best way to be sure each resume includes appropriate skills and experience; and, how to best use LinkedIn.

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In this episode John describes his involvement with nonprofit boards. He lists the five major benefits of volunteering with a nonprofit, including how it builds new skills and expedites career transition. He also reviews Dr. Pamela Wible's book Physician Suicide Letters Answered.

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In this episode, John talks with Dr. Robert Gleeson, internist, author, physician executive and leadership coach. As a coach, Dr. Gleeson describes the questions that frustrated physicians should answer before choosing to leave medicine.

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In this episode, John explores the field of clinical informatics with Dr. Brian Young. Dr. Young is a physician informaticist at Dignity Heath. He provides insight into the training and other resources listeners may need to pursue this career.

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In this episode, John describes the consequences of a victim mindset. He provides 5 reasons why this victim mentality should be abandoned and the benefits of leading to ourselves, our families, colleagues, teams and communities.

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In this episode, John interviews Dr. Timothy Owolabi, Physician Advisor and Medical Director of Care Management at Summit Health. Tim describes the training needed to enter this field and provides a helpful list of resources for listeners to access.

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In this episode, John walks through the process of taking small steps to initiate career change. Along the way, he talks about ways to overcome fears and misplaced guilt. The episode includes lists of useful books, web sites, and career coaches.

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In this episode, John interviews Michelle Mudge-Riley, physician career coach, consultant and entrepreneur. Together, she and John explore the mindsets and self-limiting beliefs that can delay or derail successful career transition. Dr. Mudge-Riley provides advice on how to overcome these mindsets through specific practical steps.

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In this episode, John walks through the process of joining LinkedIn and creating our first profile. He describes how to make our profile compelling to recruiters and employers when seeking a new job.

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In this episode, John describes why you should use LinkedIn if you're pursuing a nonclinical career. He provides examples from his own experience, and lists the six features of this professional social networking site that will help in that process.

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In this episode, John interviews psychiatrist, coach and consultant Dr. Kernan Manion. Dr. Manion provides a deep dive into physician burnout and its impact on the growing phenomenon of physician career change. He also describes factors influencing Career Transition.

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In this episode, John proviides a review of the most recent SEAK Conference - the 14th Annual Nonclinical Careers for Physicians - held in Chicago.

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In this episode, John interviews Dr. Cesar Limjoco, a nationally recognized expert on CDI (clinical documentation improvement). There is a growing demand for CDI Medical Advisors in the U.S. because of complex coding rules.

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In Episode 4 of Physician NonClinical Careers, John distinguishes a mentor from a coach, offers five reasons that you need a mentor, and six suggestions for identifying and engaging a mentor.

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In episode 3, John speaks with a family physician nearing the completion of his executive MBA. They discuss the reasons for pursuing an MBA, and near- and long term plans of the guest. As a bonus, the guest spends 10 minutes interviewing John about his career path.

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In the second episode of Physician NonClinical Careers, John walks you through the steps you can take to pivot to a nonclinical career. He highlights the steps described by Jenny blake in her book PIVOT: The Only Move That Matters Is the Next One.

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In this premier episode, the Physician NonClinical Careers podcast is introduced. Its purpose is to inspire, inform and support physicians on the journey to a nonclinical career. In this episode, John Jurica introduces himself and provides information about the Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook Group and the Nonclinical Careers for Physicians annual conference in Chicago.

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John Jurica, MD, MPH, CPE