Future Law Podcast: Recent Episodes
Future Law Podcast
This podcast cuts through the noise surrounding the future of law. All over the world and across all sectors, expanding and accelerating technologies are changing our lives and even changing us. How can the law and the legal profession keep up with all the changes? Law professors Michael Madison (US) and Dan Hunter (Australia) take a global view of the law and technology ecosystem, talking to lawyers, entrepreneurs, educators, students, and thought leaders across for-profit, non-profit, and government sectors.
In this final episode for the season Mike and Dan chat about what they’ve both learnt about ALSP’S, what’s to come of them and how they impact the legaltech world.
We’ll be back next season for more on law and technology.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison and Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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In this week’s episode, Mike Madison chats with Michael Morneualt, a senior lawyer and litigation consultant now with Lighthouse, who has watched ALSPs grow and evolve from multiple perspectives: as a practicing lawyer, in business development, and as a long-time leader of a tech-driven litigation support and investigations practice.
Michael talks extensively about changing patterns among ALSPs and dispute resolution, and how data science is influencing other areas of law practice.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison and Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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In this episode Dan Hunter chats with Isabel Parker, former Chief Legal Innovation Officer at Freshfields in London, and author of the recent book ‘Successful Digital Transformation in Law Firms’ about the issues law firms face nowadays and how to address them.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Book: ‘Successful Digital Transformation in Law Firms’ by Isabel Parker
Hosts: Mike Madison and Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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We’re back to continue the season for 2023!
Every now and then we a broader view of the future of law, beyond ALSPs, and in this episode we do just that.
Mike Madison chats with Eric Holder, former Attorney General of the US under President Barack Obama, about the critical importance of defending and advancing voting rights in the American system and in democracy generally.
The conversation draws on his recent book, "Our Unfinished March."
What are your thoughts?
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Book: ‘Our Unfinished March’ by Eric Holder and Sam Koppelman
Hosts: Mike Madison and Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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This is a “big ideas” episode, part of our goal to bring out “big ambitious ideas about the future" as well as day to day concerns about ALSPs and legal services.
Law professor Orly Lobel talks with host Mike Madison about her new book, The Equality Machine: Harnessing Digital Technology for a Brighter, More Inclusive Future, recently named one of the best books of 2022 by The Economist magazine.
In the conversation and in the book, she talks about how scepticism about AI and robots can get overblown. Are they always uncontrollable, incomprehensible, privacy-eating systems? She argues no: in proper measure they have the power to do enormous good in the world. Much of the book draws its argument from beyond law, so in this episode she focused on the specifics of the legal world, especially when it comes to access to justice and dispute resolution systems.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison & Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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What if we stopped speculating about ALSP’s and instead started collecting data to gather the information? Well that’s exactly what this episode is about.
Mike Madison talks with Lucy Ricca and David Engstrom from Stanford Law School about their research and what their findings were.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison & Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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Mike chats with Bill Henderson, a law professor at the University of Indiana who has been studying the legal services marketplace closely for nearly 20 years. Looking at “alternative” providers, he tells us what’s changed, what’s more or less the same, and what’s coming.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison & Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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In this week’s episode Dan Hunter chat’s with the Chief Commercial Officer of Axiom, an ALSP that provides legal talent in over fourteen legal practices and twenty-nine industries, David Pierce.
David tells us what it takes to be a successful ALSP, what an in-house lawyer looks like and also his thoughts on the future of legal practice.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison & Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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The emergence of ALSPs and legaltech doesn’t change some fundamentals of lawyering and dispute resolution. Jon Harris, founder and managing partner of Harris St. Laurent & Wechsler, a boutique law firm in New York specializing in employment law and white collar criminal defense, talks with Michael Madison about blending classic legal skills and multidisciplinary experience.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison & Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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Despite double-digit salary growth in the legal industry, many firms are grappling with serious staffing concerns.
So what do you do about it? Do you look outside your geographic boundaries? Or do you simply train up young lawyers? Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSPs) offer a range of solutions.
Mike Madison chats with the founders of LegalEase Solutions, Tariq Hafeez and Tariq Akbar, about their approach to delivering the right legal talent to law departments and corporate counsel.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison & Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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What happens when established law firms get into the ALSP sector? This episode focuses on an ALSP start up called SixFifty, based in Salt Lake City, Utah, and SixFifty’s CEO, Kimball Parker.
SixFifty is the product of an innovative legal services program based at the law school at Brigham Young University together with investment from Wilson Sonsini, one of the leading technology law firms in the US, headquartered in Silicon Valley. Kimball Parker walks us through the past, present, and future of SixFifty.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
Head to www.thefuturelawpodcast.com for more information.
Thanks for listening!
CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison & Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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How familiar are you with Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSP’s)? Do you think they’re still relevant? Or are they a bit ‘old school’?
ALSP’s are such a big and interesting sector that we decided it deserves more than just one episode!
This season Mike and Dan take a look at all types of ALSP’s, from independents and start up’s through to established and large scale.
Make sure you tune in every Tuesday for everything legaltech, ALSP’s and law.
Head to www.thefuturelawpodcast.com for more information.
Thanks for listening!
CREDITS:
Hosts: Mike Madison & Dan Hunter
Executive Producer/Editor: Pariya Taherzadeh
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We're back for another season!
Last time we looked at a pair of topics: legaltech, and skills and competencies that are newly prominent in the new legal market.
This season, we are digging into two new themes. We’ll look at ALSPs, which stands for “Alternative Legal Service Providers,” a rapidly growing and diverse market sector in legal. And we’ll also take some swings at big themes, systems, and structures in law itself, changing with tech, with global, and more.
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Curiosity is the key skill that lies beneath the headlines about the future of law. Beyond new technology and leadership skills, what is curiosity and how does it matter? Curiosity can pull you out of routines. It can introduce you to new opportunities. It can help you do more for clients. What else?
In this episode Mike chats to Lynn Borton, host of a radio show and podcast called ‘Choose To Be Curious’, about the different uses of curiosity in your career and your life.
CREDITS:
Guest: Lynn Borton - https://lynnborton.com/
Podcast: ‘Choose To Be Curious’ - https://apple.co/3QLv8RC
Host: Mike Madison
Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh
Editor/Mixer: Fyona Smith
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From a young age we’re taught that ‘education is the key’, but what if after years of studying in the field of law you decide to completely change direction? Will it get you ahead of it all, or have you wasted your time?
In this special bonus episode Mike Madison chats with lawyer, investor, and author Adam Pascarella of “Reversed in Part: 15 Law School Grads on Pursuing Non-Traditional Careers” about whether law is a gateway to a lot of things, not just practising law.
CREDITS: Guest: Adam Pascarella - https://www.adampascarella.com/ Book: ‘Reversed in Part: 15 Law School Grads on Pursuing Non-Traditional Careers’ - https://reversedinpart.com/ Host: Mike Madison Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
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We’ve had many great guests on the show this season, from Hollywood movie producers to biographers and of course CEOs of tech companies.
In this final episode Dan and Mike chat through what they’ve learnt from their guests, and what they’ve got in store for you next season.
CREDITS:
Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison
Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh
Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
This podcast is powered by Queensland University of Technology.
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You can definitely learn a thing or two from those who aren’t necessarily in the field of law.
That’s why Mike Madison chats to lawyer-turned-prize-winning-biographer John Matteson about how future lawyers draw on the talents of historians and biographers - and the reverse.
CREDITS
Guest: John Matteson - https://amzn.to/3O8TMdv
Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison
Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh
Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
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Starting a start up isn’t easy… or is it?
In this episode of Future Law Podcast, Dan Hunter chats with the CEO of Checkbox.AI, Evan Wong - the automation platform provider, about life as a founder of legaltech solutions and how to break into the field.
CREDITS
Guest: Evan Wong
Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison
Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh
Editor/Mixer: Fyona Smith
Supervising Editor: Pariya Tahezadeh
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The legal imagination often borrows from unexpected sources, one of those being a baking show!
Watching baking competitions inspired Freshfields senior litigation partner Tim Harkness to reflect on different models of talent management in today’s law practice.
Mike Madison talks with Tim about his new article, “Learning from baking shows,” in the April 2022 issue of Modern Lawyer.
CREDITS
Guest: Tim Harkness
Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison
Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh
Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
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Do you think it’s time to move past “thinking like a lawyer” as the key skill set that legal experts bring to their clients’ problems?
As legal tech gets better and better, clients increasingly want more from their counsel: problem solving capabilities for dealing with “wicked” problems.
In this episode, Mike Madison speaks to senior lawyer and Managing Director Duc Trang at legal recruiters Major, Lindsey & Africa, about what success as a lawyer looks like in a world where AI technology is more and more powerful.
Plus, Duc shares tips and lessons for both new and experienced lawyers.
CREDITS
Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison
Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh
Editor/Mixer: Fyona Smith
This podcast is powered by Queensland University of Technology.
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To code or not to code? That’s the question that legaltech founder Dorna Moini answered by creating Documate.
In this episode of the Future Law Podcast Dorna speaks to Dan about why it’s ok to be ashamed of your first tech build, as well as the skills and dispositions needed for the future of law.
CREDITS Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh Editor/Mixer: Fyona Smith
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How are incumbent lawyers standing in the way of the future of law? And what are future-oriented innovators doing about that?
Mike Madison chats with Eddie Hartman, well-known as a co-founder of the online legal technology company LegalZoom, and now a consultant and investor. Eddie focuses on thinking differently about the challenges and opportunities associated with expanding markets for legal services.
Eddie shares his vision for strategizing solutions to Access to Justice problems, talking about practitioners, regulators, technologists - and investors. And he illustrates with his recent experience, using design strategies and technology, in bringing interdisciplinary teams together to overcome barriers in the legal system.
CREDITS Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
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Lots of legal problems can be answered quickly, cheaply, and automatically – if only someone sat down and mapped out the steps. It’s just that there aren’t simple-to-use systems to do this.
So, two young lawyers and a computer programmer decided it was time to make a change.
Dan chats to Chief Operating Officer and Co-Founder at Josef, Sam Flynn about an automated product he and his co-founder created, tailored for legal environments. Sam let’s us in on how he built a commercially-appealing chatbot platform as well as a fast growing legaltech company.
CREDITS
Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison
Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh
Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
This podcast is powered by Queensland University of Technology.
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What do you think of when you hear an orchestra? Is it the music? Perhaps you imagine the conductor standing in front of a large orchestra waving their hands around?
What does all this have to do with law you ask? Good question, we asked it too.
In this episode, Mike Madison chats with a conductor who has been leading symphonies and orchestras around the world for more than 30 years - Scott Speck, about how to guide a collection of experts so that the “music” matches the vision.
CREDITS Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
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The growing role of technology in the legal industry is changing a lot of things for lawyers, but some fundamentals aren’t changing at all.
One of those fundamentals is the key role that stories and storytelling play in legal practice, in judging, in designing and running systems, and in making and applying public policy.
In this episode, Mike Madison interviews the Hollywood producer of American Beauty, Down With Love, Silver Linings Playbook, Milk, and the upcoming Rustin - Bruce Cohen, chatting about how filmmakers and lawyers both need to engage and persuade various audiences through storytelling.
CREDITS Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
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A lot has changed since the global pandemic hit, especially within the law industry. Working remotely has become the norm, and with that comes tech changes to the law. But what’s going to stay around once the pandemic eases up? The answer: everything!
In this week's episode Mike and Dan talk about what matters, and what doesn’t, when it comes to lawyers knowing and using tech, including automation solutions, AI, and … blockchain.
Plus, do you need coding skills in order to make it in law? Will you fall behind if you don’t? The Future Law Podcast cuts through the noise and gets to the point.
CREDITS Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
This podcast is powered by Queensland University of Technology.
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Are you worried about what automation will look like for you?
Perhaps you’re curious about how the disruptions of the pandemic will affect your job?
Well, this season Mike Madison and Dan Hunter look at the skills and competencies of future law.
Starting off the first episode of the year, Dan and Mike look at the changes they’ve observed in the legal industry over these last two years and how to best deal with this change.
CREDITS Hosts: Dan Hunter and Mike Madison Executive Producer: Pariya Taherzadeh Editor/Mixer: Pariya Taherzadeh
This podcast is powered by Queensland University of Technology.
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We're back for 2022 and this year we're shaking things up a little!
This season we're delving into the skills and competencies in law: what’s classic and still in need, what’s new, and what’s getting more critical.
We'll also be looking at ways computers, algorithms, and data are being used to help (or maybe hinder) lawyers, clients, and even courts.
Plus, every month we’ll be doing a deep dive with professionals in the industry to help you get a bit more insight into the world of law.
Future Law Podcast drops Tuesday, 8 February 2022.
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"Legal" is today's buzzword for the roles that lawyers play inside companies. What does leading and managing "legal" look like, on the ground, in a sea of rapidly changing technology, talent, teamwork, and client needs? This episode features Stephanie Sciullo, Vice President and Chief Legal Officer of MSA Safety, a Pittsburgh-based company with a long history and a critical contemporary mission. Listen to her conversation with Future Law Podcast host Michael Madison, of the University of Pittsburgh School of Law, about coordination and complexity.
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MSA Safety
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TechLaw.Fest is a signature production by the Singapore Academy of Law, and the Future Law Podcast is pleased to continue the conversations hosted there with this podcast series on the future of law and technology. Rama Tiwari, Chief Executive of the Singapore Academy of Law, joins host Michael Madison of the University of Pittsburgh for a wide-ranging conversation about change management, in legal organizations and elsewhere.
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Rama Tiwari
TechLaw.Fest
Singapore Academy of Law
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When will shifts to remote working bring changes to legal education as well? St. Mary's University School of Law in San Antonio, Texas recently received American Bar Association (ABA) approval to host a cohort of its JD students in a fully online environment. Even before the arrival of the COVID pandemic in early 2020, other US law schools had moved bits and pieces of their programs online. St. Mary's is the first school to receive accreditation for online delivery of a complete JD.
In this episode of The Future Law Podcast, host Mike Madison talks with Patty Roberts, Dean of St. Mary's Law, about that school's plans and about how she and her colleagues navigated their proposal through design and accreditation processes.
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Dean Patricia Roberts at St. Mary's University
St. Mary's University School of Law
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TechLaw.Fest is a signature production by the Singapore Academy of Law, and the Future Law Podcast is pleased to continue the conversations hosted there with this podcast series on the future of law and technology. This third episode in the series dives into law and technology at the heart of the technology industry, with a conversation about contemporary law practice in Silicon Valley. How are the needs and interests of the tech industry - and the needs and interests of everyone else - affecting the present and future of law practice? Host Michael Madison talks with Ashlie Beringer, partner in the Palo Alto office of global law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, as she reflects on how she keeps pace with the complexity of law in the age of technology.
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TechLaw.Fest
Singapore Academy of Law
Ashlie Beringer at Gibson, Dunn
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
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TechLaw.Fest is a signature production by the Singapore Academy of Law, and the Future Law Podcast is pleased to continue the conversations hosted there with this podcast series on the future of law and technology.
This second episode in the series features a conversation about judging and the role of automation and artificial intelligence (AI) in courts. Will robots replace judges? Hear from two senior lawyers with very different backgrounds: Ken Hwee Tan, Chief Transformation and Innovation Officer for the Singapore Judiciary, and Bridget Mary McCormack, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Michigan. They were interviewed by Future Law Podcast host Michael Madison, of the University of Pittsburgh School of Law.
Can they find common ground?
Links
TechLaw.Fest
Singapore Academy of Law
Ken Hwee Tan
Chief Justice McCormak’s official biography
Chief Justice McCormack’s Twitter account
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The future of law brings urgency to long-standing questions about diversity and inclusion in the legal profession. This episode looks that those questions at ground level, in a complex business law firm. It features an interview with Ellen McGinnis, a senior partner at the Haynes & Boone, a global firm with its roots in Texas.
Ellen works in financial markets as co-chair of the firm's Fund Finance Practice Group. She has been a leader in the firm and beyond on questions of diversity and inclusion.
Links
Ellen McGinnis at Haynes & Boone
Article: "Changing Hallway Behavior: How to Interrupt Implicit Bias," by Ellen McGinnis and Jennifer Reddien
Ellen McGinnis is also co-founder of YaleWomen, an organization for and by graduates of Yale University that is committed to advancing women's voices in the world.
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TechLaw.Fest is a signature production by the Singapore Academy of Law, and the Future Law Podcast is pleased to continue the conversations hosted there with this podcast series on the future of law and technology.
This episode features a conversation with Joyce A. Tan, a leading Singapore-based technology law, on innovation and technology and the challenges of staying one step ahead of the legal curve - or more. She is interviewed by Future Law Podcast host Michael Madison, of the University of Pittsburgh School of Law.
Links
TechLaw.Fest
Singapore Academy of Law
Joyce A. Tan and Partners
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Orrick, one of the world's best-known law firms, partners with The Future Law Podcast for a 4-episode look around the organization, taking stock of its people, its innovation practices, its organizational design, and its industry partnerships.
This fourth episode in The Orrick series features a talk about Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSPs) and related law and legal industry providers. Are they law firm competitors? Clients? Partners? What are the big picture drivers and the functioning nuts and bolts of the legal services ecology?
Daryl Shetterly, Director of Orrick Analytics; Liam Brown, CEO of Elevate Services; and Basha Rubin, CEO of Priori Legal join host Michael Madison for this episode.
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Orrick
Elevate Services
Priori Legal
Daryl Shetterly at Orrick
Liam Brown, CEO of Elevate Services
Basha Rubin, CEO of Priori Legal
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Bridget Mary McCormack, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Michigan, has been aggressively pursuing court reform in that state's courts. But "court reform" doesn't begin to describe the scope, ambition, and impact of what Michigan has been able to accomplish. Nor does the phrase "access to justice." Listen to Chief Justice McCormack's provocative tour of the future of law, in conversation with Mike Madison
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Chief Justice McCormack's official biography
Her Twitter account
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Orrick, one of the world's best-known law firms, partners with The Future Law Podcast for a 4-episode look around the organization, taking stock of its people, its innovation practices, its organizational design, and its industry partnerships.
This third episode in The Orrick series features a talk about global operations and specifically about Orrick's Global Operations and Innovation Center (GOIC), its facility in Wheeling, West Virginia. How has the GOIC evolved over time, and what roles do the GOIC and the GOIC play in Orrick's practice today?
The Director of Orrick's GOIC, Kelly Cullen, and the firm's Director of Firmwide Office Administration Will Turani join host Michael Madison for this episode.
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Orrick
Kelly Cullen at Orrick
Will Turani at Orrick
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Orrick, one of the world's best-known law firms, partners with The Future Law Podcast for a 4-episode look around the organization, taking stock of its people, its innovation practices, its organizational design, and its industry partnerships.
This second episode in The Orrick series features a talk about innovation. What does innovation mean in a contemporary Big Law firm? How does the firm practice and prioritize innovation in the day to day?
Orrick's Chief Innovation Officer Wendy Butler Curtis and Senior Innovation Counsel Kate Orr join host Michael Madison for this episode.
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Orrick
Wendy Butler Curtis at Orrick
Kate Orr at Orrick
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Alex Hamilton, founder and CEO of Radiant Law, left a Big Law partnership behind 10 years ago to start an organization that offers a different way to deliver commercial contracting services to clients. He hasn't looked back. In this episode of The Future Law Podcast, he sits down with host Michael Madison for a frank assessment of the Radiant Law story so far and what lies ahead.
Alex Hamilton at Radiant Law
Book: "Sign Here: The Enterprise Guide to Closing Contracts Quickly"
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Orrick, one of the world's best-known law firms, partners with The Future Law Podcast for a 4-episode look around the organization, taking stock of its people, its innovation practices, its organizational design, and its industry partnerships.
This first episode in The Orrick series features a talk about talent. How does Orrick think about and practice talent recruitment, retention, mentorship, and training in the contemporary marketplace?
Orrick's Chief Talent Officer Siobhan Handley and talent consultant Bryan Parker, CEO of Legal Innovators, join host Michael Madison for this episode.
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Orrick
Legal Innovators
Siobhan Handley at Orrick
Bryan Parker at Legal Innovators
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Anusia Gillespie is a legal innovator, practicing and advancing NewLaw ideas. In this episode of the Future Law Podcast, she talks with host Michael Madison about what NewLaw means and how she moved from a "typical" US law degree to a NewLaw leadership role.
Anusia Gillespie at LinkedIn
Anusia Gillespie on Twitter
Anusia Gillespie on NewLaw at Legal Evolution
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Ivan Fong brings more than three decades of experience with law and technology to his role as Chief Legal Officer of the 3M Company, in private law practice, in-house roles, and government service. Host Mike Madison catches up with Ivan for a look back and look forward at what it takes to succeed in the legal profession when you're facing an uncertain environment.
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Biography: Ivan K. Fong
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The future of law is, in a word, people. But are the people ready? Are new lawyers being prepared effectively to transition from the worlds of their formal education and training to the dynamic and different worlds of the 21st century legal workplace? Host Mike Madison talks with lawyer and legal entrepreneur Krista Contino Saumby, founder of a new consultancy that targets that transition space: The Law Bridge,
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The Law Bridge
Krista Contino Saumby (LinkedIn)
Krista Contino Saumby writes about her experience and motivations
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The Liquid Legal Institute is a Germany-based think tank and platform for action that aims to develop common standards for law practice and legal services using cutting-edge technology. In this episode of the Future Law Podcast, host Mike Madison talks with LLI co-founders Dierk Schindler and Bernhard Waltl about their vision for the LLI, and what the LLI is doing today.
Links
Liquid Legal Institute
Dierk Schindler at LinkedIn
Bernhard Waltl at LinkedIn
Book: Liquid Legal: Transforming Legal into a Business Savvy, Information Enabled and Performance Driven Industry
Book: Liquid Legal: Towards a Common Legal Platform
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"What's the future of knowledge?" comes to ground for law and lawyers in this wide-ranging podcast interview featuring Ian Rodwell, Head of Client Knowledge and Learning at Linklaters, the global London-based law firm. Host Mike Madison and Ian touch on information science, Brian Eno, and football (the original kind) as they explore what's on tap for the future of practice.
Links
Ian Rodwell, at Linklaters
Knowledge and learning at Linklaters
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The "regulatory sandbox" in Utah is a leading example of innovation to promote innovation - and justice. On this episode of The Future Law Podcast, host Mike Madison talks with two of the key leaders of the Utah legal community, state Supreme Court Justice Deno Himonas and former Utah bar president John Lund, about how the sandbox came about and what it promises to do.
Links:
The Office of Legal Services Innovation of the Utah Supreme Court
Justice Constandinos ("Deno") Himonas
John Lund, at Parsons, Behle & Latimer
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Jordan Furlong brings an unusual sharp and critical eye to conversations about the future of law, as a consultant, author, and former lawyer. He pulled no punches in this wide-ranging conversation with host Michael Madison, covering lawyer licensing, legal literacy, the rule of law, and the fundamental values that characterize the best of the legal profession, from ancient times to the present.
Links
Law21, Jordan Furlong's consultancy
The Law21 blog
Jordan Furlong on Twitter
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Michael Sears spent three decades as an investor and CEO in Silicon Valley after a first career as an officer in the Marine Corps, followed by law and business degrees. Now he is back at the United States Naval Academy, leading a leadership innovation lab as part of the Academy's continuing requirement that all midshipmen advance through a curriculum in leadership, ethics, and law. His distinctive background offers fertile ground for reflection in this episode, on cross-pollination among cultures and practices of tech innovation, military service, and the legal profession.
Links
Michael Sears at the Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership
The Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership
The Boeing Leadership Innovation Laboratory
Interactive Leadership Simulations
Radio Stockdale: podcasts
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Future law means understanding worlds beyond law. Lawyers spend a lot of time talking to other lawyers. This episode features a fascinating conversation with Vikram Mansharamani, a consultant, author, and importantly, not a lawyer, about macro trends in the economy and society that will inevitably come to affect legal professionals and legal systems.
Link
Vikram Mansharamani, Think for Yourself: Restoring Common Sense in an Age of Experts and Artificial Intelligence (Harvard Business Review Press, 2020)
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Joy Heath Rush is the CEO of the ILTA, a global volunteer-led membership organization that develops and shares information about technology in law practice, supporting lawyers and other professionals in law firms, law departments, governments, and academic organizations. In this episode, she and host Mike Madison reflect on the evolution of legal tech since the mid-1980s and bring the story up to the present, with insight into critical contemporary topics and takeaways.
Link
International Legal Technology Association
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Joan Heminway brings long experience as a corporate lawyer in BigLaw to her work researching and writing about securities law and corporate finance at the University of Tennessee. Now she is assuming a key role at the head of the university's well-known Institute for Professional Leadership, building on those experiences to help law students and new lawyers acquire leadership skills and navigate the future of law.
Links
Joan MacLeod Heminway at the University of Tennessee
Institute for Professional Leadership at the University of Tennessee
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How can law and lawyers move the public policy process? Dr. Andrea Matwyshyn is a law professor at Penn State University who is on a mission to bring lawyers, policymakers, and engineers together to solve complex social problems at the edges of law and technology. (She has a faculty appointment at Penn State's College of Engineering to go with her law faculty role.) Future Law Podcast host Mike Madison talks with her about grounding that mission in her "lab" work with her students, and how that "lab" projects come out of her research on technology, computer security, gender and ethics, and history.
Dr. Andrea Matwyshyn's home page
The PILOT Lab at Penn State Law
A PILOT Lab project: the Computer Herstory Museum
The Manglona Lab at Penn State Law
Dr. Andrea Matwyshyn on Twitter
Article about "The Internet of Bodies"
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The future of law includes more than the future of lawyers. At Villanova University, Professor Michele Pistone has launched a pioneering online program to train non-lawyers as authorized advocates in immigration law. Professor Pistone talked about her plans on an earlier episode of the Future Law Podcast. Now she's back, sharing stories of her surprising results, with host Mike Madison.
Michele Pistone at Villanova Law
The VIISTA program at Villanova
Michele Pistone on Twitter
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As a law student, Colin Levy saw the future of legaltech, and after graduating he set about building a career in the field. Ten years later, he's navigated through in-house roles, developed his skill set, and made his way to a position as Director of Marketing and Business Development for WordRake, which produces editing software for professionals, including lawyers. For the Future Law Podcast, Mike Madison talked with Colin about his path to his identity as a self-described "Legal Tech Evangelist."
Colin Levy at Linkedin
Colin Levy at Twitter
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Does the legal profession have a place for creative and imaginative people? How does the future of law differ from its past? Hear an unusual conversation between Future Law Podcast host Mike Madison and Eimear McCann, now Director of Strategy at UK-based LegalTech firm Summize and also a former immigration and human rights lawyer, and also a teacher and writer.
Links:
Eimear McCann
Summize
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"Future Law" is a global phenomenon with multiple local applications. What's different about the French experience, and what does the French experience share with the future of law elsewhere? The EDHEC Business School in Lille is the home of the new Augmented Law Institute, a purposeful blending of training in law, business, and technology that builds on EDHEC's long-standing investment in multi-purpose professional preparation. In this episode of the Future Law Podcast, Mike Madison interviews Christophe Roquilly, the Director of the Augmented Law Institute and the architect of EHDEC's law-plus-business programming.
Links:
The Augmented Law Institute at EDHEC Business School
Professor Christophe Roquilly
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Fastcase is now 20 years in to its mission to transform legal publishing and access to legal information. Fastcase co-founder and CEO Ed Walters joins Mike Madison to talk about the origins of the company (beer and softball contributed, along with a research challenge from an unexpected source), the journey to date, and visions and implications of the future of law.
Links:
Ed Walters
Fastcase
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Our tour of LegalTech takes The Future Law Podcast to London and this conversation with Giles Thompson and Amy Conroy. Giles and Amy are two early-career lawyers who stepped quickly off the path to a conventional law practice career and, in very different respects, onto the team at Avvoka, which offers a document automation platform.
Mike Madison talks with Giles and Amy about what Avvoka is up to, how that fits in the evolving LegalTech landscape, and how each of them came to be where they are today.
Links:
Avvoka
Giles Thompson
Amy Conroy
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In this episode of the Future Law Podcast, Mike Madison talks with Marlene van Nelson, a recent law graduate who followed a classic path: she hung out a proverbial shingle and launched a solo practice.
A few short but fast-paced years later, she's expanded her practice and found her niche, delivering "people law" services to small business and individual clients while nimbly blending the personal with the technological.
Marlene tells her own story, from her dream of becoming a lawyer, to the detours along the way, to her current firm: Trellis Legal.
All about Trellis Legal.
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How do you build and re-build collaborative and innovative cultures in a virtual environment? The future of law isn't all face-to-face. In this reunion episode, original Future Law Podcast host Lisa Leong returns to talk with Mike Madison about pivoting her broadcasting and consulting practices in response to COVID shutdowns, what practicing lawyers and law teachers can borrow from her experience, and about shifting mindsets from "me" to "we."
Links and references:
Lisa Leong at LinkedIn
Robert Putnam, "The Upswing"
Otto Scharmer and Presencing
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Daniel W. Linna, Jr. is Senior Lecturer and Director of Law and Technology Initiatives at Northwestern University's Pritzker School of Law, with an additional appointment in Northwestern University's McCormick School of Engineering. He's also a former litigation partner in a large law firm in Detroit.
He joined Mike Madison for an energetic conversation about legal system innovation and change, what law schools and law firms are doing right and wrong today, and about the need to ground innovation on all sides in evidence.
Dan Linna at Northwestern Law.
Dan hosts the LegalTech Lever blog.
And he has his own podcast, Law Technology Now.
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Michele DeStefano is the founder and leader of Law Without Walls, or LWOW, a pioneering program for team- and project-based legal education that gathers students and partners from around the world.
She is a full-time professor of law at the University of Miami who has also documented her methods and published research on their effectiveness.
Mike Madison talks with Michele about the origins and impacts of LWOW.
Michele DeStefano's biography at the University of Miami.
The Law Without Walls website.
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Cat Moon leads the Program on Law and Innovation (PoLI) at Vanderbilt University's law school, a role that she took on after practicing law for nearly 20 years in Nashville, Tennessee. At PoLI and beyond, for the last several years she has become a passionate voice for making lawyers - and law - better.
Mike Madison talks with Cat about PoLI, her vision for future lawyers, and her work helping to build and promote the Delta Model for lawyer competence.
Cat Moon's biography at Vanderbilt Law.
The Program on Law and Innovation at Vanderbilt.
The Delta Model.
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Thomas Aertgeerts is the co-founder and CEO of a Belgium-based LegalTech startup offering tax law services today and on a mission to transform the legal industry tomorrow. He talks with Mike Madison about the legal entrepreneur's life, transitioning out of a classic law practice career, and the future of legal services.
He is the author of a provocative essay in the American Bar Association (ABA) Journal in April 2020 titled, "Is my law firm preparing me for success in the next decade?"
His company, Aeco, can be found here.
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Elizabeth "Lizzy" Shackelford took her law degree and followed her dream to serve internationally, eventually spending more than seven years with the US Department of State in a series of posts in Eastern Europe and in Africa. Now retired from her diplomatic service and the author of a recent book on US foreign policy and diplomacy, in this podcast she reflects with Mike Madison on what it means to be a lawyer in a rapidly-evolving world.
Link to the book: Elizabeth Shackelford, The Dissent Channel: American Diplomacy in a Dishonest Age (PublicAffairs, 2020)
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Dean Dan Hunter chats with Tom Dreyfus, CEO and co-founder of the Melbourne-based legal technology firm Josef. Josef gives both practitioners and law students a leg up in creating bots - automated processes for legal analysis - without expecting lawyers to know how to code and without expecting that legal experts should be cut out of the professional loop.
Dan and Tom talk about Tom's path to leadership: a law degree, followed by an early career in law practice, and then the world of entrepreneurship in robotics and legaltech - all without a computer science background.
Find Josef here.
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Miguel Willis caught the innovation and entrepreneurship bug early in his law school career, and he exited with a JD and leadership of an innovative program that blends technology skills, design, law, and the public interest. The Access to Justice Technology Fellows program connects law students with civil justice organizations for an immersive, 10-week, paid project-based fellowship experience, changing lives in the community and priming the students for careers as 21st century lawyers. Mike Madison caught up with Miguel for this podcast.
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Duc Trang, former private practitioner, general counsel, and now Managing Director of Major, Lindsey & Africa Transform Advisory Services, talks with Mike Madison about the changing marketplace for legal services and legal professionals and what those changes mean for private firms, for legal technology development, and for legal education.
Also featured in this episode: Michael Madison, The Shapes and Letters of the Modern Lawyer (August 3, 2020).
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Eric DeChant isn't a lawyer. He's a recent graduate of the novel Master of Science in Law program at Northwestern University's Pritzker School of Law, which aims to give STEM professionals (like Eric) enough grounding in law to accelerate them into careers as allied legal professionals but not so much that they qualify to become licensed lawyers.
Mike Madison interviews Eric to hear how he found the Northwestern program, what he thought of his time in school, and his plans for a future in law - though not as a lawyer.
Here is the background to Eric DeChant's story, from Legal Evolution.
Eric has started a voluntary organization titled the American Society of Legal Engineers.
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Dan Rodriguez, formerly Dean of Northwestern Law and president of the Association of American Law Schools, gets inside the future of legal education for the benefit of legal professionals and new law graduates. The interview is hosted by Mike Madison.
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Mike Madison sits down with Kevin Miller, CEO of the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania-based LegalTech firm LegalSifter. LegalSifter is powered by tech developed in Pittsburgh's AI and robotics ecology, centered on Carnegie Mellon University.
A seasoned lawyer-entrepreneur, Kevin shares his thoughts about what lawyers and law firms are doing well, and what they can do better with AI-powered tools.
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Dan Hunter talks legal innovation and the future of law practice from the client's perspective with Carl White, founder and now Director and Chief Experience Officer with CXINLAW. CXINLAW partners with law firms in Australasia and the UK for training and education on excellence in client service.
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Mike Madison talks with Dean Trish White and Andrea Sinner, the chair and director of the American Bar Association Commission on the Future of Legal Education. The Commission wrapped up two years' worth of work in March 2020 and published a report that reads more like a manifesto for change than a conventionally sober reflection. Find the ABA Commission Report online here.
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Dan Hunter chats with University of Manchester students, Cian Heeley, Mandeep Hayer and Wunmi Akanji who were lucky enough to spend two weeks working with the geniuses at DWF on a legal design/innovation project with a very well-known sporting club in Manchester.
Inspiring insights into the way that this sort of program changes how students think about the possibilities of law.
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Margaret Hagan, a global leader in bringing design to legal education and law practice, talks with Michael Madison about what design is and why design matters, supplying some of her own back story along the way.
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In this, our last episode for 2019, we finally bring you our long-promised episode on Design Thinking in Law. The terrible trio talks around some spots from three guests, Margaret Hagan, Director of the Legal Design Lab at Stanford Law School; Carl White, CEO of CX in Law; and Cian Heely, a grad from Manchester University who worked with the amazing gang at DWF to solve for a client's problem. We use these spots as a jumping off point for a wider chat about what design thinking in law looks like.
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Dean Dan has been chatting with a lot of deans of late, and in this interview he talks with Dean Lesley Hitchens of the University of Technology, Sydney. In 2018 Professor Hitchens received the Financial Times Australian Legal Innovator Award, and her law school has pioneered a Legal Futures and Technology major. Listen as we chat about the kind of skills, knowledge, and attributes that law grads need to future-proof themselves.
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In this interview, we chat with Prof George Williams AO, dean of UNSW Law School. George has thought a great deal about what the future of law should look like, and when he took over the law school he conducted a listening tour with a huge range of stakeholders of his school. We talked with him about the challenges facing legal education, and how one of the most prestigious schools in the country is addressing the opportunities ahead.
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“The name’s Bond, Professor Nick James from Bond.”
Seriously, I can’t tell you how long I’ve waited to use that joke.
In this interview, Dan (that’s me) interviews Nick James, the dean of Bond Law. We chat about his take on the future of legal education in Australia, and what Bond are doing to push the boundaries. Nick is an amazing scholar and teacher, and Bond has the best ratings in the country for student engagement and satisfaction with teaching. Nick talks about how the future looks from this kind of perspective.
Join the conversation, why don’t you?
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After diagnosing the state of US legal education a few months ago, in this episode the terrific trio talk about the nature of Australian law schools and discuss some of the challenges that they face in the years to come. With insights from guests Prof George Williams AO (UNSW), Prof Nick James (Bond) and Prof Lesley Hitchens (UTS), this is the first podcast from Dan in his new role of Executive Dean at QUT, and is sure to be a classic.
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In this interview, the last of our investigations of how law firms are becoming tech firms, Dan Hunter talks with Michelle Mahoney, the head of innovation at King & Wood Mallesons. She discusses the layered approach to technology and innovation that this elite, multinational firm provides, and divides up the task into four useful categories.
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In this interview, we chat with Deepak Pillai, a data analyst who works at the blue chip Australian law firm Clayton Utz.
The firm took the unusual step of building a separate data analytics practice to complement its traditional legal practice. Deepak talks about why law firms might do this, how their clients respond to this type of offering, and how a data scientist from a social media marketing background came to be up close and personal with a bunch of lawyers.
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In this interview, Dean Dan chats with Jonathan Patterson, the Managing Director & Head of Development of DWF Ventures in Manchester, England. DWF is a fascinating example of a law firm that has embraced managed legal operations, legaltech, and design thinking. The firm's incredibly successful listing this year on the London Stock Exchange was driven in large part by its ability to rethink how legal services are delivered, and we explore some of the ways in which DWF is how a tech firm.
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In this episode we talk about the way that law firms have responded to the new technology world in different ways.
This episode’s title comes from an observation we heard from the CEO of a legaltech firm who said that “every law firm is a tech firm.” What he meant was that every firm has an IT department, which isn’t that interesting a thought. But we realized that lots of firms do technology in interesting ways, and we wanted to explore these as lessons for everyone.
We feature three different sorts of law firms, King & Wood Mallesons which has a dedicated innovation director, Clyton Utz which runs a big data analytics group, and DWF which listed recently on the London Big Board and which uses a range of fascinating legaltech and design approaches. Join us, won't you, as we discuss how every law firm is a tech firm.
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Lisa Damon and Stephen Poor, innovators and leaders at the global law firm Seyfarth Shaw, talk with Mike Madison and Dean Dan Hunter about developing Seyfarth Lean, the name the firm gives to its widely-recognized applied innovation strategies: data-driven process improvements, project management techniques, and legal technology R&D that have changed the firm's DNA.
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In this interview, Dean Dan chats with his friend Simon Quirk, recovering lawyer, professional services consultant, and long-time serial entrepreneur. The discussion ranges over the nature of legal practice, how to do innovation in law firms, and what we should think about the new point solutions in legal tech and regtech.
Join us, won't you?
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Lisa Leong and her business partner, Tristan Forrester, escape Melbourne and travel to San Francisco, to record this special Future Law Podcast bonus episode. They track down Richard Hsu - the Managing Director of the Partner Practice Group of recruitment firm Major Lindsey & Africa. Richard is the host and producer of an ABA award winning podcast HsuUntied - and author of the LMA award winning blog HsuTube. Oh, and he was a lawyer! (Amongst other legal roles, he was an IP partner at Shearman & Stirling). Richard spoke about creativity, being trained as an Engineer - and how his HsuTube offering came to be...
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Lisa Leong, Dean Dan Hunter, and Mike Madison take apart the challenges of modern law practice: clients increasingly want multi-functional capabilities from their lawyers and firms. The profession is full of talk of "T-shaped" lawyers, who combine deep legal knowledge and broad business and organizational skills. How can firms find, train, and keep these "T-shaped" professionals happy and productive? How can T-shaped lawyers find success in law firms, or beyond?
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Professor Deborah Merritt of the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University talks with Dan Hunter and Mike Madison about the sources of critical challenge in US law schools today and describes paths to re-invention, including a new focus on clients, for herself, for current students, and for law faculties.
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Professor Michele Pistone from the Charles Widger School of Law at Villanova University in Philadelphia talks with Dan Hunter and Mike Madison about disruption in law practice and legal education, about change management in higher education, and about working across the university to build new, cross-disciplinary training for law.
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Professor Mark Tushnet of Harvard Law School is our guest. Professor Tushnet talks with Dan Hunter about the changes that he's seen in US legal education over his long and illustrious career, and offers some suggestions regarding how US law schools need to change to respond to the challenges ahead.
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US law schools today face a double shot of post-2008 challenges. They face changing demand for legal services and legal education, plus changing demographics of prospective students. Law faculty are just now starting to accept that those factors point to large scale disruption of the traditional law school. Lisa, Dan, and Mike take an inventory of how US law schools got where they are, look at the likely shape of change to come, and - as always - deliver some practical take-aways.
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Dan and Mike talk with Gordon Smith, Dean of the J. Reuben Clark Law School at Brigham Young University (BYU) about emerging challenges and opportunities for US law schools. Gordon's research and teaching background is in business law and entrepreneurship. In this interview, he talks about bringing his expertise to bear on innovation and entrepreneurship inside a law school.
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Lisa Leong, Dean Dan, and Mike Madison take a tour through strategies for initiating innovation and change, for people who don't have "innovating" in their professional portfolios - and who may not have budgets. They have case studies to share, from their own experiences in law firms, companies, and law schools. Anyone can put themselves in a position to innovate. Here's how to get started.
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Dean Dan talks with Professor Ray Campbell, from Peking University-School of Transnational Law in Shenzhen, China. Before becoming a law professor, Ray clerked for U.S. Chief Justice Warren Burger of the United States Supreme Court, and was a partner in the multinational law firms of Kirkland & Ellis and Jenner & Block. Listen to his fascinating take on the future of law and the future of legal education in a globalised world.
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Dean Dan and Mike Madison talk about whether the future has caught up with law schools. They catch up with Professor Ray Campbell, from Peking University-School of Transnational Law in Shenzhen, China, who suggests that the future of legal education doesn't look like the way that we've always done things...
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Lisa Leong and her business partner Tristan Forrester spent some time hanging out with the delightful Professor Dan Klein from Stanford University.
In this full interview, you will learn:
- how to think like an Improviser and why it is important for cultivating an innovation mindset
- how improv can encourage lawyer creativity
- a few simple improv games like sound ball, and word-at-a-time proverb.
How do you encourage creativity in your organisation? Let us know at http://thefuturelawpodcast.com/
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Lisa Leong introduces us to her friend Professor Dan Klein from Stanford University aka "Dan the Improv Man". In this episode our three co-hosts, Dean Dan, Lethal Lisa and Most Interesting Mike explore how improvisation exercises can help lawyers develop an innovation mindset.
Have you tried using improv to unlock lawyer creativity? Add to the conversation at http://thefuturelawpodcast.com/
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Mick Sheehy is a partner at PWC and was formerly a general council at Telstra. He is the founder of CLOC in Australia and joins Dan Hunter to talk about legal ops, managed services, and why law firms should be worried about how the Big 4 are moving into NewLaw.
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Our three brave co-hosts go "on tape" to predict what the legal industry will look like in 2028 (ten years from now). Dean Dan, Lethal Lisa and Most Interesting Mike cover law firms, lawyers and law schools. Nothing is safe. Platform plays and multi-disciplinary practices are also covered. Agree or agree to disagree - please add to the conversation on the website: http://thefuturelawpodcast.com/
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In this episode, Lisa Leong, Mike Madison and Dan Hunter unpack "Artificial Intelligence" in the context of law. Prof Dan was on the public speaking circuit in the 90s banging on about AI - but in those days, no one was listening! He was so into AI that he would have dated Siri if she had existed in the 90s.
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Introducing our third co-host, Prof Mike Madison from the University of Pittsburgh Law School - who is no ordinary law professor. Mike has been 'stockpiling' legal education reformers for over a decade. Mike gives us a brief overview of US-style legal education.
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Introducing Lisa Leong, the diminutive disruptor, and Prof Dan Hunter, Dean of Swinburne Law School. Lisa reminisces about how they met - and then they chat about what this podcast is about, who it is for and why we started it. This episode explores Experience Design - and why, to them, innovation is not just "about the technology".
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Dean Dan has broken out of our ivory tower and gone to speak with a third party! Mick Sheehy was formerly a GC at Telstra - and is now a Partner of New Law @ PwC. We speak about CLOC, Legal Operations and Tech Platforms. If you don't know what any of these terms mean - please listen!
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